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Are you a cheetah or a snail?
"This is michelle. With focus on fabulous a creative company scan offers positive relatable encouraging content to a world bombarded by negative buddy the various platforms such as this anchor podcast. We discuss adversities turned abundant and learn about obstacles that created opportunities. We want our audience filled with motivation inspired by goodness and rejuvenated by courage through this podcast and various other platforms focus on fabulous aims for an end result of impacting embracing and changing lives. When story at a time when feature at a time. Maybe you want to start your own. Podcast anchor makes it easy for us to share our story and we focus on fabulous pride ourselves in this opportunity to share yours with anchor. Starting podcast is easy. It's free there's creation tools to record it at your podcast right from your phone or computer they distribute your podcast for you. 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To focus on the sparkle that i wanted to kind of share the sentiment with you on this podcast primarily for business owners but really for anybody and it's title is are you a cheetah or a because little by little city by city state by state the world is slowly opening up again where venturing out a little more each day many of us are heading back to work starting to create a daily routine that involves changing out of pajamas putting on a bra and doing something positive with that hair. Thank god i must met this extroverted. Social butterfly has really been struggling. During these past. Few months and german tenacious. Woman as i am. I have pounced like a cheeto ready to attack my business but when it comes to my personal life i tend to be more protective. Calmer at peace. It is during my quiet home time. But i feel more likened to a snail so even though i utilize my corentin time productively and seized every moment in my days only venturing out one day a week for just a few hours. I stay protected guarded and distant and those are foreign concepts for me but i felt comforted and safe so as i again. This new birth to the outside world Former regular routine schedule. I asked myself those personally and professionally am i cheetah or snail. Which do i wanna be which joy prefer well. The undeniable answer is both and to me both are acceptable to be a cheetah fast determined. Ready to conquer how exhilarating yet consider the snail taking small strides to enjoy the long view along the way leaving a trail for others to follow these past months or so have been many things to each of us confusing exhausting tumultuous an extensive to say the least but during this time i have found some inner workings about myself and my business i might not have recognized herpin receptive to previously. This time has allowed for the clearing of the mind creative intervention and made way for all types of emotions as concepts failures to enter the gateway to my soul and business mindset. What a time for rebirth. It was during this time that i was brave enough to allow myself to suck it something every day taking on new challenges working toward fresh dreams visions and purposes learning previously boy and formats concepts. It's no wonder. I feel as a pounced cheetah ready attack my business but i didn't want to lose sight of the scenery along the way i wished to enjoy the journey to not follow a path but to create my own so i believe is acceptable to be both a cheetah and a snail see in our newfound discoveries during our lockdown we have planted seeds make connections in ways we never done previously watched. We reached out to more people in different and creative ways. We learn new skills programs languages instruction we nourished relationships and appreciated distance in ways. We once took for granted. And now that we're getting back into our crew and creating our new routines. We must not well these incredible revelations and the relationships. We have opened. We must be as a snail. Take things slowly remaining in our protective show. Let allow ourselves to bench out being still focused as a cheetah trigon determined to attack the vision that awaits us on the. We must take each day as day and find a reason to change out of our pajamas. Put on a bra. And for god's sake do something productive with that hair yet. We must remain filled with gratitude love determination and purpose. We need to embrace our outings families and friends often. We should continue to remain concert responsible. Unsafe display kindness and remember to pick up the phone. Call rather than the grudge ai. Courage each and every one of us in our new lifestyles personal and professional discoveries and redesigns that as we remodel our new routine and venture out more often than before. May we allow a moment may wing not allow a moment to pass her. We do not appreciate a face to face meetings and encounters. May we recognize a frown as much as a smile and make every effort to often smile in return mainly more often than not begin. A lifestyle of paying forward indeed and actions and pay it backward to the car behind us at the tribesmen wyndham. May we utilize more of our time in watching sunsets and less than watching television. May we swallow our pride and ask for help when needed and embrace those who silently cry out. May we truly grasp the value of a handshake the gift of a hug of gratitude of a smile. May we continue to extend gratefulness to our nurses medical emergency professionals. And not li site of our nathan respect for retail personnel commercial truckers. I we scheduled time regularly to reach out to our family remembering a blessing. They are and not take for granted their presence in our lives. May we continue to recognize our neighbors. Teachers service workers throughout our communities. May the voices of churches sing outside their four walls and shine and actions in dean's maybe not take for granted but a sink full of dirty dishes evidence of a well dressed table and most importantly may we not forget like childbirth the pain and anguish. We've endured to wreak this beautiful new life in which we are embarking. May we accept the lessons. In challenges of the situation and create our own normal and pray without ceasing love without judgment and truly recognized the daily abundant some blessings that we may so easily overlooked. Shechem may the connections with may be sincere and forthright a we support each other in creative genuine ways and may our businesses grow richly because we are building genuine. Authentic open relationships provide trust as the source for the need. So as you began to open up yourself to the world again and discover if you are a cheetah or snail remember you can be either. What books for both are determined and tenacious took approach their destination. And you are undeniably fabulous.
Stagnation Is Suicide (032)
"Welcome to the motivate grind. Succeed podcast or my goal is to give practical usable tips and takeaways a you can use to maximize your productivity improve your faith push yourself to that next level and live up to one hundred and one percent of your potential. I am not here to waste your time with long intros unnecessarily long uploads and spammy advice because that does good for no one i could straight to the point. You can get maximum value out of every episode now with that. Let's get you straight into this week's episode. The human body is a very efficient machine. It works on the simple principle of use it or lose it and may hold onto something longer than others but the main principle still holds true. How many times have you found yourself stagnating anything. It can be a relationship a goal. You're pursuing whatever. Chances are that if you left it alone. Chaos theory ran. Its course and things got worse. This is because things don't actually improve when they're left alone. Anything that you have without maintenance will first stagnate and then eventually decay. So what can we do to stop stagnation from occurring in the first place well number one is realized that you can't yes realize that you cannot you cannot stop things from stagnating by themselves but you can reduce the time. Things are stagnant number. Two is to pinpoint where things made a hard left. You know a hard skirt skirt. Homey we our. They made a hard left. There's usually never situation where everything was going fine on a monday. And then tuesday all hell breaks loose and everything could not be worse. Usually when things get to that point that means that you did not see a lot of the red flags or a lot of them. Went unchecked stop backtrack and see where things began to take that one degree detour from where it should have been incorrect from there. Do not try to work from what you see in front of you. Right now focused on the origin of the problem. Otherwise you'll just be cutting figurative branches down when you should be cutting down the entire tree point number three refocus on your goals and your why a lot of times when you have your head down and you're just grinding away. It's really really easy to get lost in the hustle and the bustle of your grind. And eventually when you come up for arrest you realize that you probably are not. Were you want to be chances. Are you may have gotten so lost in the weeds of your grind that you may have gotten sidetracked. Insure you are still focused. On your y. If not take some time refocus reevaluate your path to make sure you are still going the right way number four. And i'm a big proponent of this one is to simply cut off what isn't working. This could be a process in the business exercises or a certain diet in a workout plan or toxic people in your circle. Or whatever have you. You need to cut out. What is not working. It is literally dead weight. Why are you carrying deadweight along with you. Its only purpose is to slow you down. Why are you purposely sabotaging yourself when you need to be laser focused on charging full speed ahead tip number five that half for us to change some stuff up okay. Maybe you're planning super streamlined. And working as how you need to the perfect level of efficiency have you tried switching around how you do things maybe instead of doing cardio before your weightlifting try doing cardio after your weight lifting and see if that improves your overall strength output maybe instead of having a mid day meeting for an hour shorten it a thirty to forty five minutes and ask some pizza switching up routines slightly can put you in a whole new state of mind and really really open yourself up to new thoughts ideas and can sometimes lead. Some surprising results finally start with small steps. I also say this one a lot. Because once i read about it it changed the entire way that i goal set and i go plan. Let's say your goal is to earn a million dollars a year. So you make a plan on how to do so. Wherever it's taking longer than you expected normally most people would quit here. Some would keep trying and yield the same results in. Just settle for what they have but very few people will make smaller goals to reach. Yes let's say in your business. The goal is to reach a million dollars a year but if they stagnated five hundred k then they'll make their next goal five. Oh one k. And then five ten k. And then five fifty kane and six hundred k and so on and so forth instead of quitting until eventually they reach their one million dollar goal. Taking your huge overarching goal and splitting it into smaller. More manageable chunks is not only reference in the book limitless by jim. Quick that i love to reference but will also help you reach your goal faster and will also give you a lot of little wins along the way to keep you encouraged as you do so so relatively shorter episode this week. But that's what i got for you today so with that. I'm going to bring this week's episode to a close but before you go as per usual. Subscribe to the show found useful and be on the lookout for every every sunday where there will be a new spanking episode. Leave a comment in a five star. Review everything podcast is worth it. Share the epa with somebody because we are trying to grow this fan mah li lastly follow me on instagram at motivate grant seen that is all one word for more and motivational kick in the butt content with actionable tips. That we all occasionally need. Take care of yourself. And i will.
The Buy In For Love
"Hi my name. Is john kim. I'm a therapist who went through his own rebirth. Many years ago. And i've been documenting journey ever since sharing my life lessons and revelations believe in casual clinical with you said about you. I come unrehearsed on purpose. Because south held doesn't have to be so copying so there's actually a buy in when it comes to love There is an anti when you sit at the table and a lot of people here. Here's the thing if you are interested in a lukewarm kind of love if you're interested in a left brain logic kind of going through the motions. That kinda love then. I don't think there's much of a buy in. But if you want to hit the what i call the high notes if you want to experience something that is different in new and possibly More of a healthy love a mature love. Then there's a ban in the buy in is hurt the buying is you will get hurt and most of my clients are many of my clients because they don't wanna get hurt and get it because we've all been hurt and of course You know there's nothing more painful than the pain of a broken heart and All of that causes. You know The beliefs the behavior the coping. All of that stuff right so because the stove has been hot because we have been burned We tend to walk with the shield. We tend to not want to touch the stove again. Even though it's not on we tend to love from a distance we tend to Not any up you know And here's the thing. It takes courage to make that decision to love or to trust someone or to your. Fold your hands bag in lean back and know that someone catcher fall you know and i think a lot of people they want love. They want something different. They want to hit high notes. They want to feel Magic they want sustainability. they want to build trust. They want all these things but at the same time they are also afraid right they're also Not willing to truly show themselves and this is something that Like there is no choice in order to experience love that is three dimensional. That is bigger than you. That is going to be something different in new. You have to show yourself if you don't show yourself if you love skittish way if you're afraid to express your feelings if you're afraid to mean let's actually talk about was showing yourself. Looks like right Vulnerability right A lot of people love around each other. Meaning they're scared to communicate. They're scared to say what's wrong. They're scared to tell their partner what they liked what they don't like they're afraid to rock the boat and that is not loving hard. That is not showing yourself at the same time. It doesn't mean to verbally vomit on your partner there's a responsibility to showing yourself So let's break down one if you want to show yourself inexperience in new different. Love higher love. It's too. I pull from your solid sell from your vantage self bright. The you that and i don't know if you have kids or one day you may have kids. The most people really solid around their children. Because you have nothing to prove they have nothing to hide that side of you. You know The side that is just authentically. You showing that side communicating. Your needs Communicating what you want. Not only where you wanna go to eat but how he to be touched how you want to be loved setting boundaries speaking up having a voice right disagreeing in that's okay all of that Showing your stance showing your non-negotiables showing your worth showing your insecurities showing what is difficult for you showing where you're at in your life and whites hard. All of that must be on the table in both people right. Not just you because you don't want to be something that's lopsided but when both people show themselves in that way when they're both vulnerable that produces glue and now you're doing life with each other and this builds trust and this builds that extra dimension where it's not just a cardboard cutout love but now it's a real love. It's a deepening love you know. And it's uneasy because We are scared to shore ourselves but it's also not easy because putting yourself out there with all your insecurities and quote unquote defects and really exposing that knowing that someone can reject that terrifying right But if you can't do it with your partner then it's telling meaning that if you show your true self and your partner judges you or loves you less or different because you're showing those sides of you. Then maybe you're with the wrong partner you know so it's also a test you know in a way that if you show your true self and that is not accepted then maybe you're in a space or in a relationship that doesn't promote your growth in if that's the case then you you're in the wrong relationship and i don't care how great. The sexes or amazing. Chemistry is an alabama at Loving someone is is about more than that. And if you wanna go on a journey of a deepening love You know when we talk about things like soul mates and best friends and You know life partners and all that All of that requires a- showing yourself and that is the anti to sit at the table dad kind of love that is the buy in. I mean the buying is actually getting hurt right and you will get hurt and it just a matter of how much because i'm not just talking about li- give their relationship expires. I'm talking about just daily. Hurt right from from things from being disappointed or from unmet. Expectations are or just hurt feelings. And then what you do with that hurt again is showing yourself is expressing. Is saying this hurt me in. Its constant dance you know. It's that That peddling of that bike. That's the daily choice to loving. I think when you stop doing that when you stop showing yourself stop expressing you're still yourself stop communicating and also. Let me through one more thing in a stop looking inward right. There's also a part of A responsibility and relationships to take ownership of of. What's yours when you stop doing all of those things you stop the bike and then the The love engine slows down and then drift happens right and the people start drifting and certainly the relationship. The legs of the relationship starts to fall apart so no two things and maybe you already do. This will just be a reminder that one there's an anti there's a buy-in if you want a deep love in that is hurt. You will get hurt. No matter what that's life that's love you know and but also that you will heal and learn and grow together right We will hurt each other. That's a fact you can't avoid that and then to you have to show yourself you have to show who you are where you're in your life your truth all the you know all this shit in the cracks all your insecurities data you need to bring to the table or else it's false. Advertising and people are loving around each other instead of with. Thank you for listening. I hope that you continue to show yourself and express yourself and you become less afraid to love is as you can listen if you are great at helping other people and you have a passion for that and you wanna find personal freedom and level up to skills you already have. It's time to become a life. Coach journey coaching. When i became a coach there was nothing like this out there. And so i developed this coaching training program alongside the cordeaux journey coaching. That's gre. 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Echo Device Low Power Mode
"Hey terry fisher here with your flash briefing for monday. And today i want to tell you about a feature that you may or may not know about and this goes on in the background with your echo devices and this is called the echo device. Low power mode. So where's do well. It reduces the amount of energy that your echo device is using and this like. I say it happens mostly in the background now. This only works some of the newest devices so specifically if you have one of the echo dot echo dot with clock latest generation fourth generation the spherical devices. It works if you have the echo fourth-generation bigger spherical device that works. And if you have the echo show ten it works other devices. Unfortunately a don't don't apply for this feature but basically what happens is this gets activated. The low power mode gets activated automatically When you are not interacting with your device so for example if your device is just idle siblings idly sitting. I li sitting there. And you're not interacting with it and you have one of these devices then it will go into low power mode and then that low power gets turned off as you start to interact with it now. There are a couple of catches. Your device does not go into low power mode if any of these apply to you so number one if there is a spotify account linked to your amazon account if there is an active notification going on and you would know that because it'd be a pulsing yellow light if your device is connected to an external speaker or if your device is directly connected to a smart home device or lexi gadget through zubi wi fi or bluetooth so unfortunate. That is actually quite a few circumstances. Where it doesn't get activated but nevertheless I think this is great. That amazon thinking about this in terms of you know. Can you reduce the power consumption of your devices and the answer is yes long as you meet certain requirements so they go a little bit information about what's going on behind the scenes again. This isn't something that you necessarily turn on or off. It just happens if it can. And anyway i think it's great. I look forward to the flash briefing. Tomorrow i'm going to introduce our latest. Podcast is special interview with another guest. And i hope you will join us. Hope you're having a wonderful day talk to you tomorrow. Recast dot fm.
"Welcome to kiss myths and mysteries. I'm your host kit chrome since i began my month long. Look at ghosts. I started getting emails with questions. Most the questions had a similar theme. Something about ghosts being spooky or the difference between a ghost and poltergeist as parrot and abandoned she but one question stood out. Why are ghosts naked. When i saw answers the main response was that this was proof that ghosts weren't real. Because how could they possibly manifest. Close still there are just too many sightings of ghosts and i kept pawing digging through him finally in north carolina. I found a naked ghost story and this is recent. This is right up to today. Perhaps something to throw in the face of skeptics now like most ghost sightings this naked boy was cited by any number of people that didn't know each other always seen in the same place about the same time and yes always naked. Well the story is about. A group of boys chose a bad time to go swimming. There had been a bad storm up river a few days before and the usually calm french broad was flowing more swiftly than normal that gentle eddies were. The river flowed over the boulders. Lying in its bed had become dangerous undercurrents. They had also ventured out late in the evening. Sun was already heading down as they. I swam into the water. The boys were playing and laughing and not noticing that they were floating further and faster down the river the newsreel when they noticed the light was really fading and they had drifted down to too close to the piling of the craven street bridge that crossed overhead over the french broad river where the water was flowing in dangerous rapids around the bridge. They realized they needed to head home and they also realized that one of their party was missing. The boys begin a frantic search for their missing friend. They called out his name. Dove underwater sat one of their number running for help as neighbors came down. A frantic search was organized posts. Were set out on the water and lanterns lit up. The river tonight grew deeper. They sadly realized their chances had run out. They made the choice to call off. The search boats would be sent out in the to dredge the river but even that was to no avail. The poor child's body was never found but soon after the boy disappeared some of those traveling across a bridge at the time. When night fell begin to speak of seeing something strange. They said they saw a naked boy running across the bridge but many couple said that when they called out his name or even ran after trying to help him that he would vanish into thin air. Naked go something of a rarity in american folklore. Although the topic of li- goes work clothes has been a surprisingly hotly debated one in the history of religion and the belief in the supernatural those arguing against the possibility of the spirits of the dead returning to earth. How presented multiple variations on the premise. That if a ghost is appearance of the soul honors for goes to be clothed that means the clothing must also be possessed with some immortal element capable of returning to earth turns out that of all the thousands of sightings most ghosts are perceived impressions that is to say a ghost may manifest as a cold spot an orb glowing orb or assert their presence by moving things now on a personal note about forty forty one forty two years ago. I worked for television station and went out to montana's custer battlefield to do a story. While i was taken down in the basement where i saw many of custer's personal possessions. I was also introduced to a ranger. Who said that for a number of weeks. When she first woke up there would be a soldier. Standing at the foot of the bed obviously weren't close. Uniform of the seventh cavalry. She said your conclusion must be that some ghost where close some do not why the answer goes back to my grade school years and the many strange questions us kids ask each other and the answer usually was because figure that one out. This is kit chrome. Thank you for listening.
Cheung Tze-keung Pt. 2
"This episode features discussions of kidnapping and violence that some people may find offensive listener. Discretion is advised especially for children under thirteen may twenty third nineteen ninety six thirty one year old businessman. Victor Li sat locked inside a dark room trying to make sense of what was happening to him. It had only been a few hours since he had left his office. In Hong Kong to visit his father now he was the prisoner of armed assailants. Who had kidnapped him off. The sidewalk and thrown into a van has the long hours past. Victor grew increasingly uncomfortable. He hadn't gone to the bathroom in hours and his bound. Arms and legs were beginning to cramp anxiety flooded. His mind did his father. No he was missing. Would anyone be able to find him? His thoughts were interrupted by the return of his captors. The men blindfolded Victor and jostled him outside into a waiting van as they drove victor. Try to remain calm. Was it all over or was he about to die? This is hostage. Apar- cast original every week. We tell the stories behind the most captivating hostage situations and the people inside them. We'll also cover. The psychological tactics used in kidnapping situations. And what the human brain does when held captive Irma Blanco. And I'm Carter Roy. You can find episodes of hostage and all other park cast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream hostage for free on spotify. Just open the APP type hostage in the search bar at par cast. We are grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network? This is our second episode of one of Hong. Kong's most notorious gangsters Cheung Kong and ransom kidnappings he committed in nineteen ninety six and nineteen ninety-seven last week. We discussed chauncey early life. And how his obsession with wealth led him to commit to ransom kidnappings as part of a master plan to extort the ten wealthiest men in Hong Kong? His first target was thirty one year old. Victor Lee the son of Hong Kong's wealthiest man Li ka-shing this week we'll delve into the fallout of lease kidnapping. And how it inspired Chung to go after the forty seven year old property development tycoon. Walter Kwok will also discuss. How an unexpected cooperation? Between Hong Kong and mainland China ultimately led to Chung's demise when sixty eight year old billionaire Li ka-shing into his front door on the night of May Twenty Third Nineteen Ninety six. He was expecting to see his son. Victor apologized for being so late instead. He found himself face to face with the infamous criminal. Forty-one-year-old chauncey calm and four other armed. Men Leave recognized Chung immediately. He was wanted by the police for multiple crimes including two high profile robberies at the Kai. Tak Airport the second of which had been the largest cash robbery in Hong Kong's history. There was hardly a person in Hong Kong. Who didn't know Chung secons name as Hong Kong's wealthiest Man Lee knew? It was no coincidence that the thief had chosen his front door to knock on but nothing could have prepared him for what Chong was about to say. The criminal informed Lee that he had captured his son. Victor and if Lee ever wanted to see him again he would have to pay two billion Hong Kong dollars now. We was stunned. He asked where they had taken. Victor but Chong shook his head and repeated the demand. Two billion dollars or victor was dead. Shaking Lee tried to assess how he could gather the money he knew as well as Chong that if anyone could access billions of dollars at a moment's notice it was him his company. Cheung Kong Industries had made him a multi-billionaire and victor was in line for the throne but Lee wasn't worried about the money or his company. He just wanted his son back on your shortland. A professor in political economy assesses that in kidnapping for ransom cases. The hostage is returned alive about ninety percent of the time on. This is because the kidnapper is usually willing to negotiate in feasible deal can often be reached. Shortland also stresses that when faced with a ransom kidnapper dilemma. One should not immediately give in to the criminals demands. The hostage taker is likely to interpret this as evidence that more money is available and they will continue to up the ransom amount. Instead shortland advises keeping the criminal in the dark about one's financial resources. The captive will typically be released for a fraction of the original demand of course most individuals when faced with a kidnapper. Aren't thinking like rational business people. They're more concerned with the release of their loved. Ones and their minds are racing with worst case scenarios like torture and execution but wittingly or not Li ka-shing did the right thing shaking. He told Chung that he couldn't gather so much money at a moment's notice but he would try to come up with what he could. He certainly didn't give so much money lying about in his home. Leah's Chung if he could go to the bank for a withdrawal but the criminal shook his head this could arale suspicion and possibly alert the authorities when cheeky move on lease part and the whole plan could fall apart Lee understood and said he would do his best but he knew there was no way together that much money from inside the house under the supervision of Chung and his men Lee drained every hiding place and wallet in his home. He tried to come up with enough cash and valuables to satisfy the steep ransom demand. All the while worrying about his poor son finally having exhausted all his immediate resources. Li presented Chung with his loot. He knew it wasn't enough but he hoped Chung would settle for it surely he couldn't be expected together two billion if he wasn't even allowed to go to the bank. Lee watched with dread as the men counted their spoils. They were one billion short. Chung glared at Lea- incredulous. He could hardly believe that. A man as wealthy as Li ka-shing could only cough up half the amount on a smaller scale. Chong himself knew what it meant to be wealthy. His criminal escapades had paid off and his double life was lavish to him. Money was something to gamble with and enjoy and Chong's own home reflected. This opulence but Lee was a different breed. He was shrewd he invested. And he certainly didn't keep two billion dollars lying about his comparatively modest mansion once again. Li explained that he couldn't come up with two billion unless John allowed him to go to the bank and for the first time the criminal considered it he could get away with the full amount. If everything went smoothly but ultimately Chung couldn't risk it. If there was one place he had sworn never to go back to. It was prison. Besides one billion dollars was a lot of money. Five Times the amount he had obtained in his last airport robbery and it was plenty to fund his lavish lifestyle but grudgingly. He agreed to settle for one billion dollars half his original ask. He ordered Li ka-shing to pack up the money for him as Lee placed the cash. In bags he has Chong why he was doing this. Chung replied. I take unconventional steps to get rich. Money is the most important thing in life. But it's only me who can get away with kidnapping tycoons Charleena's men grabbed the bags of cash. Jong delivered a final warning if Lee or victor ever told the police about the kidnapping they would be dead. We nod and watched as the vans sped off into the night. Now all he could do was wait hoping that Chong would hold up his end of the bargain meanwhile victor was locked inside. Chun's hideout just over the border in mainland China. It had only been a few hours since his capture when his captors finally returned they blindfolded Victor and hurried him outside into a van as they drove. Victor imagined the worst. Perhaps they were taking him away to be murdered. His body could be buried somewhere. It would never be found and victor's family would never know why their son had disappeared. It was all too confusing and sickening for victor to come to grips with a few hours later. The van rolled to a stop. The car doors opened in several hands helped victor as he stumbled onto the sidewalk. He felt the crisp night air on his skin has one of his captors began untying his blindfold as it fell away. Victor recognized his surroundings. He was standing in the driveway of his father's house. In deep water. Bay Hong Kong Victor was bewildered. Was He being released? Was his family going to be harmed. He turned around and for the first time. Locked eyes with his captor the infamous Chunky Kong as victor stared at Chung. He could hardly register who this person was and what they wanted but before he could make sense of the situation. Chong stepped forward. He grabbed victor's face leaned in and planted a kiss on his forehead. Then he told victor he had been a good boy and he promised never to harm him or his family again back in his hideout. Chon divided the spoils amongst his comrades keeping forty percent for himself. He was happy that it pulled off. Such a new and brave stunt it was proof to Chung that. His master plan was feasible if he could kidnap the son of the wealthiest man in China and get away with it then he could kidnap anyone especially the rest of China's tycoons and he had stuck to his personal motto never to physically harm someone unless absolutely necessary. It wouldn't be long before he made his next move coming up. Chunky Kong targets his next victim. Podcast listeners you enjoy stories about crime. 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Or wherever you get your podcasts. Now back to the story in nineteen ninety six forty one year old gangster Chung Tikan completed phase one of his plan to kidnap the ten richest men in Hongkong. He had successfully captured thirty one year. Old Victor Li and victor's father sixty eight year old multi-billionaire Li ka-shing had paid one billion Hong Kong dollars for his son's release. It was the largest ransom in Hong Kong history. One billion dollars would have lasted many people a lifetime but Chung wasn't the average person he was addicted to gambling and unbridled spending. Wouldn't be long before he needed more cash but first he had to wait and make sure the police weren't after him for Victor's kidnapping. This could raise publicity. Putting Hong Kong's other wealthy citizens on Edge Chung decided to bide his time yet as he dipped into his new money. He couldn't help. But think of Li ka-shing here was Hong Kong's richest man and even he didn't spend money the way that Chung did instead Lee saved and invested it. Perhaps this was the secret to his enormous wealth. Chong mold is over and gradually. A new idea occurred to him. He would ask Li ka-shing himself. It had been weeks since the kidnapping and both Li ka-shing and Victor Li had returned to work at their family's company Cheung Kong Industries. They were eager to move on with their lives. Neither had approached the police for fear of inciting revenge. They were simply thankful. The ordeal was over and hopeful that John would stick to his promise. Never to bother them again. But Chung had other ideas when Li ka-shing answered his phone one evening he couldn't believe his ears. Cheung Kong was on the other end Lee stomach filled with dread as he thought of his other son. Victor's brother Richard But Chong quickly reassured Lee that he was asking about a simple business matter. He wanted advice on finances specifically what he should do to grow his one billion dollars should he invest his new money in stocks or did Lee recommend real estate. Lee was flabbergasted. How dare song ask him what to do with his money? He told Chung that he only had one piece of advice. Take the money and start an honorable life. Leave him and his family alone. Chogm considered this possibility. Perhaps he could take his wife. Luo Yin Yang and relocate to somewhere. He had no reputation. He could have a fresh start. And maybe even build a business likely ka-shing's empire Cheung Kong Industries but Chung didn't have the tenacity to do it. His gambling addiction his tastes for luxury and his greed were too powerful. Besides the only trade Chung had ever known was that of being a criminal he doubted he could ever succeed at anything else. At least not with the kind of luck he was used to and so after a year of waiting to make sure the police weren't onto him. John was confident that the time was right. He's zeroed in on his next target. Forty-seven-year-old property developer. Walter Kwok in nineteen ninety-seven Walter. Kwok was in the prime of his life. He was part of one of the wealthiest families in Hong Kong and he and his brothers ran their late. Father's company Sung Hung Kai properties. They were responsible for some of Hong. Kong's most famous commercial buildings and large apartment complexes Walter was the company's chairman and chief executive he was capable and quick thinking a born leader and if there is one thing he knew best. It was to negotiate. Walter was an expert at honing deals for his family's company and he knew that nothing was ever worth as much as the original asking price but he had no idea that these skills which soon come into play as September nineteen ninety-seven approached Chung. Tea Calm had settled on Walter as his target. He knew Walter Schedule Front back where he lived and what kind of car he drove. Finally he was ready to make his move on the evening of September. Twenty Ninth Nineteen ninety-seven. Walter was on his way home when Chun and his men cornered his limousine and forced Walter outside they blindfolded Walter bound his arms and legs and wrestled him into their waiting Van. Walter kicked and yelled but it was no use. He was at the mercy of ruthless criminals. Now inside the van Walter was disoriented an anxious. Who were these men? And what did they have against him? It wouldn't be long before he found out a few hours later. The car came to a stop. The men jumped out dragging their terrified captive with them the unbound Walter's limbs and untied his blindfold before shoving him inside a small wooden crate. Walter was terrified. He tried to steady his breath and focus on the small noises around him. An hour passed and the crate finally reopened one of the men handed Walter a bowl of roast pork and rice but Walter shook his head. The man urged him to eat and shut the door. Walter Obediently Chewed Food. But he could barely taste it. His mind was racing with possibilities. Food meant that he was being kept alive but this could also mean he would be here a long time. His thoughts were interrupted as the door to his crate opened again. It was Chung Secon Jong Thrust prepaid phone into Walter's trembling hands in demanded that he call his family. Walter slowly shook his head. There was no way he was getting his family involved. The kidnappers could have him but he would not put his brothers his wife Wendy or their three children in harm's way but Chung remained firm. He demanded that Walter call his wife and request one billion dollars in ransom money. The same amount he had received from Li ka-shing to Chun. This was a reasonable request for someone as wealthy as Walter. If Li ka-shing could access one billion dollars at a moment's notice his family could certainly do whatever it took to gather the same amount but walters mind was made up under no circumstances. Was he about to involve his family. Besides if there was one thing Walter understood it was a negotiation especially when money was involved. He defiantly handed the phone back to Chung. He said that a Chung wanted to negotiate. They could do it here. One on one Sean was astonished. No one not even his own comrades ever dared to defy him yet hear was Walter Kwok a defenseless captive refusing to comply with an order furious. Chung ordered his men to beat up. Walter they descended upon the billionaire punching and kicking him psychologist anger. Management Specialist Bernard Golden. Phd explains that control. Tactics often stem from feelings of being slighted. He says they may attempt to control you in reaction to an intense sense of slight they experience when your thoughts feelings behavior don't exactly aligned with how they believe you should be in the case of Chung. He had an idea of how Walter's kidnapping was supposed to go. And how compliant Walter was going to be and when this didn't happen. He resorted to the only means. He had left to assert his control violence. He had a long standing belief that violence should be a last resort and in his. Is this situation. Called for brute. Force after several minutes of this savage beating Walter was bruised and coughing up blood now. John was confident that his captive would give in. But Walter still refused to make the call. Chung glared at Walter. He was determined to get his money. No matter how nasty things got he would simply come back tomorrow. On September thirtieth twenty four hours after Walter's kidnapping Chunky Kong was confident. That is hostage would reconsider the offer to call his family and asked for the ransom. But when Chung Open Walters crate that morning. Their captive was no more willing to call his family than he had been yesterday. In fact Walter was sure that by now his family would be looking for him. His wife would be wondering why he hadn't come home yet and his brother would expect him at work. One of Chung's men gave him another bowl of pork and rice. Which Walter Willingly Eight? He knew he had to stay. Strong Wind Walter was finished. Eating Chon handed him the phone once more and again Walter refuse to call his family. Chung gave the signal and his men descended on Walter once more. They beat him mercilessly until he nearly blacked out. But Walter was resolute either. Chung dealt with him or nothing. This vicious cycle continued for one more day by the end. Walter could barely eat. His breathing was labored and his body was crumpled from pain and so on October. Third Nineteen ninety-seven. His fourth day in captivity. Walter finally asked for the phone trembling. He called his wife Wendy. When Wendy answered she was beside herself with relief she hadn't heard from her husband for days and no one knew where he was. But Walter's voice was not reassuring he sounded hurt and out of breath speaking was taking every last ounce of his strength and Wendy could tell something was deeply wrong at this point. Walter had given up all hope on a negotiation. He simply wanted to go home alive. He told Wendy that she needed to put together. One billion dollars for the ransom up next the police close in on Chung Secon now back to the story on September Twenty Ninth Nineteen Ninety seven forty two year old Hong Kong criminal Chunky Kong kidnapped forty seven year. Old Property tycoon. Walter Kwok and transported him over the border to a hideout in China at first wall to refuse to call this family to obtain the one billion Hong Kong dollars ransom money that is capture was demanding but after four days of merciless beatings. He finally gave in and called his wife. Wendi it remains unclear whether Walters family had yet gone to the police about their brother's disappearance but at this point they knew that their brothers safety depended on keeping the negotiations a secret. Finally Chong and Walter arranged a secret meeting between his mother Kwan. Chow Ching in one of his brothers in downtown Hong Kong's financial district. They met at one of the luxury apartments owned by. Walter's family there Kwong Xiaojing and her son worked out a final ransom amount with Cheung six hundred million Hong Kong dollars when the meeting had finished. The ransom amount was placed into twenty large duffle bags in transported by two. Mercedes to a quiet street in the financial district. Joan and his accomplices met the cars and drove away with the cash. Walter's family could only hope that Chung would make good on his end of the bargain on October. Sixth Chong and his men transported Walter over the border back into Hong Kong. His family found him inside a local village house packed inside his wooden crate. Chung's partying warning to both Walter and his family was that they should never speak to the police or media about the incident unless they wanted. More trouble Chung's second kidnapping had been more difficult than the first but it had still panned out. He had sufficiently intimidated. A billion dollar family and their company into quietly seating hundreds of millions of dollars without alerting. The police and he was more confident than ever that he could continue his plan to kidnap the ten wealthiest men in Hong Kong. He would do the same thing as he had done following Victor Lease Kidnapping in Nineteen ninety-six way to make sure no one was onto him before going after his next target but a plan for his capture was taking form in the months following. Chun's second contact with Lee Shing. The multi-billionaire used his connections to quietly reach out to Hong Kong police urging them to pursue Chong. The police informed Lee that well. Chung was on their radar. He would be extremely difficult to track down. Like many of Hong Kong's criminals. He made use of the proximity of China to hide out. In between crimes beginning in nineteen ninety seven Hong Kong was fully reabsorbed into China following. Its one hundred year lease to Britain but two decades before with Hong Kong and China had settled on a firm one country two systems policy. This meant that while Hong Kong was freshly incorporated as a territory of China it retained its own legal system and as long as Cheung Kong was hiding out in China Hong Kong authorities could not pursue him. Li ka-shing was well aware of this barrier but he nonetheless used his status urged. The police to concentrate on Chong's capture. Finally he told About his son's kidnapping this changed everything. A one billion dollar ransom kidnapping was plenty of reason to go after Chung earnestly. The police understood with this could mean for the rest of Hong Kong's upper class so far no criminal had attempted this kind of feet in Hong Kong and Chung could not be allowed to continue even as Walter. Kwok's kidnapping was happening. The police were already at work trying to flush Chong from his hiding place. In China they targeted known members of Hong Kong's triad gangs networked which Chung loosely belonged. Police track down members both in and out of prison harassing them into dispelling information but the Chhaya ad was a loyal tight knit brotherhood and asking someone to turn on. Fellow member was difficult. Meanwhile Chong was living the high life with his ransom money. He was gambling millions at a time and had even taken his wife and children on a vacation to Johannesburg South Africa but his crimes were also continuing as Walter. Kwok's kidnapping secretly unfolded in Nineteen ninety-seven. The police were already in hot pursuit and finally his kidnapping attempts blown wide open following the arrest of one of his oldest friends and associates yet. Kifune Chong attempted his third kidnapping that of Hong Kong's Chief Secretary for Administration Anson Chan but this failed miserably then in January of Nineteen Ninety. Eight police uncovered eight hundred kilograms of explosives planted at several of Hong Kong's government buildings. They traced it back to John. This was perhaps Chung's most serious crime and the police were now offering bribes and reduced sentences for Cooperative Triad Gang members. Eventually a few came forward in a rare collaboration with the Chinese police the authorities were finally able to close in on Chauncey Kung's hideout in China in August of Nineteen Ninety eight. They arrested him on multiple charges including kidnapping robbery and possession of explosives. Still Chong was hopeful. As a Hong Kong criminal he fully expected to be transported across the border from China for a trial in Hong Kong. Moreover Hong Kong did not utilize capital punishment whereas China did if a person committed a crime in Hong Kong but was arrested in mainland China or vice versa. They would typically be extradited to the appropriate side of the border and tried and punished there as the majority of Chunky Kung's offenses were committed in Hong Kong. It was to be assumed that Chung be tried there however in a very controversial move. Hong Kong and Chinese court sidestepped the One Country. Two Systems Policy and decided that Chung could be tried in Guangzhou China. This had never been done before people. In Hong Kong were particularly shocked they valued their justice system as being more fair than China besides Chung was essentially their criminal. The bulk of his crimes had been perpetrated against Hong Kong citizens. One particularly furious onlooker was Gladys Li the former chairman of the Hong Kong Bar Association. She speculated that under such changes a Hong konger could potentially be arrested in China for something perfectly legal in Hong Kong but you're legal in mainland China and therefore face persecution. She felt Chong's case could spell this sort of disaster for Hong Kong citizens as she feared for Hong Kong's economy lawyer Ivan Tang echoed these concerns citing that the failure to extradite. Chong to Hong Kong was also the death of Hong Kong's One Country Two Systems agreement with China even as the details of the kidnappings remained largely private. Chung's case became an overnight sensation. Hongkongers were coming out to protest the trial of Cheung Kong on the basis of their own liberty. No one questioned chunks guilt or that he should be brought to but the blatant sidestepping of one country two systems made them angry who meanwhile in prison John continued to play the part of a high rolling gangster in spite of his legal situation. He relish the attention and his infamy the tales of his gambling exploits were known both inside and outside the prison giving him a sense of pride he becomes somewhat of a folk hero to many people and he wanted them to remember the legacy of big spender by the time. Chauncey trial began on October. Eighth Nineteen Ninety Eight. He had exhausted all of appeals. There was no hope of extradition to Hong Kong from the First Day Chung Z. Kong knew there was little hope of ever again being a free man in a surprising move. He made a full confession on that first day of the proceedings. No more big spender bravado. It was all over now. Hong Kong citizens might have been mad but the world believed he was guilty as he sat in the Guangzhou courtroom John and his lawyer stated repeatedly that his crimes were committed in Hong Kong in a last ditch effort to have him extradited and to avoid the death penalty. There protests fell on deaf ears. Chung was found guilty on all charges and sentenced to on December Fifth Nineteen Ninety Eight. The forty three year old criminal was led out of his prison cell and out into the middle of an empty field. They're a firing squad was waiting for him. He bowed his head and said one. Final prayer then he died. Jong was now dead but to victims still had to move on with their lives. Robert T muller a professor of psychology reports that no matter how long they're held hostage most kidnapping victims deal with some sort of emotional aftermath. They may feel depressed have vivid nightmares and flashbacks and often become hyper vigilant and very aware of their surroundings. Both Victor Li and Walter Kwok displayed these effects following his kidnapping. Victor continue to wrong Cheung Kong industries and expand his father's company into several new areas including telecommunications retail imports. He is now married with children. Those closest to victor however claim that he is still very suspicious of strangers and has a general around people after the incident. He employed a personal security team and he's rarely seen in public without them. Other victim Walter. Kwok suffered silently for many years not wanting to come forward or seek help for depression and lingering trauma ultimately affected his family's business where he had been the top leader Walter's brother Raymond told reporters that after the kidnapping Walter was unable to fulfil his duties. As Chairman of Sung Hung Kai properties. He was suspicious of strangers and overly conscious of how other people were treating him by two thousand eight. He was asked to step down from Sung. I but Walter did find success in his future. After leaving his family's company he went on to found his own successful development company until his death in two thousand eighteen. Thanks again for tuning into hostage and we'll be back next week with another episode. You can find more episodes of hostage and all other podcasts. For Free on spotify not only spotify already. Have all of your favorite music now? Spotify is making easy for you to enjoy. All of your favorite podcast originals. Like hostage for free from your phone. Desktop or smart speaker to stream hostage on spotify. Just open the APP and type hostage in the search bar and don't forget to follow us on facebook and Instagram at Park East. In twitter at podcast network. We'll see you next time. In the meantime don't take your freedom for granted hostage was created by Max Cutler. And his a par cast studios original executive producers include Maxon Ron Cutler sound designed by Russell Nash With Production Assistance by Ron Shapiro Carleen Madden Isabel. Away in Paul Moller. This episode of hostage was written by Kathleen Chrysler with writing assistance by Kate. Gallagher and stars Irma Blanco and Carter Roy Hi Listeners don't forget to check out the new podcast original series supernatural with Ashley Flowers every Wednesday. Take a deep dive into the strange and surreal to find the truth behind the world's most bizarre crimes. 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When God Goes Against His Will
"May twenty nine. God goes against his will but they would not listen to the voice of their father for it was the will of the lord to put them to death. I samuel to twenty five the sons of eli. The priest would not obey their father when he rebuked him for their sin. There three implications of this text for our lives one it is possible to sin so long and so grievously that the lord will not grant repentance. That is why pull said that after all are pleading and teaching god may perhaps grant them repentance not will grant them repentance second timothy two twenty five there is a too late in the life of sin as it says of e saw in hebrews twelve seventeen. He found no chance to repent though he sought it with tears. He was forsaken. He could not repent. This does not mean that those who truly reappeared even after a whole lifetime of seeming cannot be saved. They certainly can be. And we'll be god is staggeringly merciful. Remember the thief on the cross. Jesus said to him. Today you will be with me in paradise luke. Twenty three forty. Three second sometimes does not permit a sinning person to do what is right but they would not listen to the voice of their father. Four it was the will of the lord to put them to death. Listening to the voice of their father was the right thing to do but they would not why four it was the will of the lord to put them to death. The reason given for why they did not obey their father was that god had other purposes for them and had given them up to sinning and death. This shows that there are times. When the will of god's decree is different from the reveal will of god's command third sometimes our prayers for god's revealed will to be done will not be done because god has decreed something different for holy and wise purposes. I suppose that he li- prayed for his sons to be changed. That's how he should have prayed. But god had decreed that knee and finneas not obey but rather be slain. When something like this happens which we do not ordinarily know ahead of time while we are crying out to god for change. The answer of god is not. I don't love you. Rather the answer is i have wise and holy purposes in not overcoming sin and not granting repentance you do not see these purposes now trust me i know what i'm doing i love you.
Do You Know The Person Asleep
"You know the person next to asleep. I was talking to someone the night and we had questions to ask one another person next to you someone who understands you they make you happy or is it just a once in a while issue. Can you face your family and the brow to have this person standing next to you. I ask you this question to say that if your answer is no then how can you sleep next to this person. Are you being shallow or tylenol. Alone is having the comfort of a person the right way to clear tiresome week can you walk around the spurs without worrying about your body. Can you say the comfort level is not limited or has poor. But you just can't pull asleep saying how things could change within a different perspective to attitude change when you want to turn. The tv now belongs to you. Is the person questioning why there is no food on the table. Dr really have to leave in the morning. I just chilling you clement. From where you're going to. Maybe just give me a key to your planks have laundry to get dummy. Take care for me when i must meet with the fellows late tonight saw problem over instead. Appoint home if answer is no the top reaction do you. Equipped lived of the hand. A tightening of the this or put pup sir small push backwards when you sit your ground. Did you knew all this would happen if you stood up and said no but choose to lay in bed with his person was the issue of making him. School often scar. Not knowing it was just that serious. Should give you a call so think about who is laying next year. I mean think he didn't sign up for all that being fixed up from a brand of a friend so you can keep it in the circle or my reaches have tried one of them data. It probably wouldn't have been that bad then again. You're irreplaceable. you don't need nonsense senior. Li- how can you sit and talk to him because things must change before it gets worse coming to your house. Late at night set upon his. I don't need someone chicken on me when we're not even in a relationship like that it is serious when you're sharing those concerns another person. Oh maybe i'll give it another shot been hesitant instead of being ready. Comfort is not being physically mentally or verbally abused. When you come into a relationship with somebody you should stay with some sort of stability learn to create limitations when meeting a person not being stuck under the covers when there could possibly become an issue there the case now is welcoming. Someone who barely known can be more than you bargained for. Learnt noah person. I know because i've been in situations like this also before so instead of staying up late thinking about. No one is on the other side of the bill sleeping. You maybe ought to take an inch or two of some of that pillow f feel better about the zone you've created. It doesn't take much to relax and learn. It only takes a law when not wanting to learn turns into something that could damage you in a life throughout years. Trust me taking the time to space out getting to know enjoying the space and gradually discussing not rushing to put someone in the space next year.
"Today provide you with in-depth news and expert analysis ten the who story bigger picture. The news you want to know on today. You're listening to today. I'm e Premier Li challenge as China's determined to keep its major economic indicators in the proper range he made a remarks at the great hall of the people following the annual session of the national legislature, the premier amidst. China's economy is facing new dour pressure against a larger backdrop of slower economic global economic growth is China as tax reductions and fee cuts foster new economic drivers expand market access and boost of italty of the country's vast number of market entities. The world's largest developing economy said the twenty nineteen GDP growth ranch between six and six and a half percent. So now for more in depth analysis of the Chinese premier's press conference were joined in the studio by our current affairs commentator, Victor gal and Michael powers Zurich insurance group professor of risk and finance at team qua- university. And. Also, you can watch a live webcam broadcast of this discussion on Facebook, just search for China, plus news, you may wanna post the questions you want to ask there, and how will pass the questions to our s and also you can download our podcast simply search for a world. News analysis, apple podcast or any other place. You get your podcast for previous episodes and more topics. And now that's began. We're discussion I think we can begin with the first question Premier Li answer this morning about China's macro economic development, so Victor, what can we tell about the major approach of the Chinese government to deal with this downward pressure from this morning's press conference? I think as prime minister Likud mentioned in the press conference. The Chen is covered is fully aware of the risks and challenges in the current economic situation in China and the downward pressure is real on the other hand, I think pre. Nearly could also demonstrated a high sense of confidence in not only being fully aware of the risks. But also being able to stay on top of the difficult situation. Indeed, it is true. That the slowing down of the Chinese economy is generating on other pressure on many other parts of the world, mainly because there is a concern that that demand in China will shrink leading to less demand for products and commodities and raw materials in other parts of the world of therefore, I think primarily cajones remarks should serve as a vote of confidence for investors here in China. But also equally importantly for investors out of China that the Chinese economic growth will be men taint at a higher opera rate at about six. Percent to six point five percent in two thousand and nineteen. And this compares very positively with a girl threats of almost all the other major economies in the world is specially on the basis of an ever increasing size of Chinese economy. So I think more or less I'm very confident about the economic growth prospect despite of gradual slowing down of the growth rate it itself. So Michael, what's your reading of the press conference? And how is the Chinese government planning to do to put the growth target of between six and six and a half? While I I would I agree with thicker. I think that the the government is indicated that it's a wear the the issue the cooling of the economy, but it's not interested in taking a dramatic actions or desperate actions. But rather actions that are are well targeted. Did to the issues at hand, and that will address well will address them most effectively, I think that in particular Premier Li medic clear that the emphasis will be on the fiscal side fiscal policy rather than monetary policy that they the government will be look intending to provide some tax relief for companies in particular through the VA VAT that tax system, and that it also is very focused on maintaining employment and providing new employment for the millions of people that will be entering the workforce. In the coming year. I believe that the estimates are somewhere between ten and fifteen million new employees will be joining the workforce. And I think that Premier Li indicated that although the initial prediction was the China would create about eleven million new jobs. More recently government has come to believe that it would be somewhat in excess of that preps closer to thirteen million on available. And I think that it's through the consumption that will be driven by by full employment or fuller employment and by the ability of companies to invest and expand prizes because of some tax relief. There is really expectation that the economy will cool somewhat. But it certainly will not fall below the range that the government is predicted we'd touch upon several points made by maiko in the later part up the show, but I talk about a bigger picture. We know it's a consensus among Chinese policy makers for in the longer term which ride to a market driven economy, which will make the market play very Akiro as Victor what kind of reforms are still needed to realize that like long term goal. Well, I think one theme very positive about the sing. Vision here in China is that Noah here is complacent. And I think all of us firmly believe that continue the reform and opening to the outside world is absolutely necessary for the continued growth of China. Now, it's very encouraging that in this overall context of this session of the National People's Congress adopted into law, the foreign investment law, and this is absolutely very necessary at this particular moment because it brought in several major changes in the way, how the foreign investment into China will be regulated I of introduced the negative list mechanism. So that foreign investors will no longer a worry about getting approval, for example, if they will investing areas not restricted by the legislative list, Secondly is very encouraging Navarre investments of all kind will get equal treatment as other fall. Terms of investments include interesting, stay don't enterprises, for example, private enter-, private prizes in China, and this will truly level the playground for foreign investors into China is very encouraging to see that. There is a lot of acknowledgement of the importance of foreign investment into China over the past forty years and continuously going forward, including investment as privilege. How mentioned from China's Hong home call and Taiwan promise. This is what are the examples to show that the Chinese system the Chinese government need to continue to work there Asli and relentlessly to make sure that the foreign investments into China will be well received will continue to provide a pillar for the continued economic growth in China. So Victor mentioned this opening up side of the story. Michael, what's your take? What kind of a long reform measures be taken? I think that with regard to certainly with regard foreign investment, China is has been moving in this area. Year-by-year month-by-month really in a consistent manner over time people that you know, commentators might attempt to connect connect to recent policy change recent policy development to trade tensions. But really if one looks back at the past few years and sees the developments that have been occurring. Even prior to the advent of the Trump administration, the United States one sees that there is this this continued opening it's very natural progression. And it comes about because China is a developing nation. It happens also to be the world's second largest economy, but it's a developing nation, and as a developing nation, it has to take or had had to and has still has to take certain steps to protect its domestic. Manufacturers and industries, but over time they can relax and this has been done in a very conscientious methodical way over time. So I think that with regard to foreign investment and leveling the playing field. We are. We are just realizing the the fruits of a long term plan in terms of persisting with the reform of the domestic economy and the promotion of private industry development of private industry. I think they're also on some very good signs coming out of this meeting. And that what we will what we see is that it certainly is is high on the government's agenda to to provide tax relief perhaps to stimulate to stimulate investment by providing some on relief through through the lending of money in banks on change. Being reserve requirements targeted changes targeted interest rate changes and so forth to encourage private businesses, especially small businesses to develop to invest in develop in the next year. So when we talk about this, a general picture of at least short term, economic development, one popular question asked via listeners that what about investment, especially basic infrastructure investment? If now we're talking about the increasing importance of consumption and also a Detroit and certainty surrounding China's export so Victor, how about the importance of investment health who stabilize at least, I think. Over the pasta ten years. Also, the three pillars for the growth of Chinese economy is investment, foreign trade and consumption. So I think investment, especially investment in infrastructure as always being very important pillar of the Chinese economic growth together with consumption and foreign trade now in terms of foreign trade, China's experiencing some ahead wing, especially because of the pressure raised by the United States in tire tariff war trade war against China. And this trait was still going on, and we hope Chinese government and the US government will work together to put some of the pressures behind us. So that we can restore some kind of normalcy to sign oh US trade nine terms of consumption. Absolutely. The Chinese consumer market is already becoming the largest consumer market in the world. And. I think that depth and the width and the sophistication of the consumption marketing China need to be further readjusted because I personally believe there will be increasing demand in the Chinese consumption market for more and more safer better and more sophisticated goods and services in terms of investment, especially in terms of the infrastructure investment. I'm a firm believer that beauty up the infrastructure. The connective, for example, in all parts of China is really a recipe for more and more sustainable future growth in the country. These very large item investments will probably provide a growth potential for the Chinese economy for the coming fifty two long hundred years. This will really make China small in terms of distance foster in terms of the shrinking. Of time in moving goods and services, and ideas and capital of from one place in China to another placing China, and I think this truly accelerates the growth potential in China and will make sure that the economic efficiency in the countries much more enhanced with better connective. So I'm affirmed believer in a great supporter of these very large item infrastructure investment projects. So Michael, what's your take on these like to what extent are we readjusting the relations between among the three pillars? I think that we're we're I would like to pick up from from victims comments is is to emphasize that the government continues to policy of heavy investment and infrastructure in the rural areas of the country and the rural areas of the country still hold the huge population. And that population offers a potential demand and. Demand for products that will will help to boost on the economy in the years to come. So I think that what what we what we heard from from the meeting is that the government plans to to stimulate a demand for goods and services in in the rural area to continue invested infrastructure to stimulate demand of in particular to provide more access to online services. So that purchases can can be made online and the same types of opportunities. That are currently available to us living in Beijing are available to people living in the countryside. I so I think that those those areas are very or that airing particular the rural areas, very important terms of stimulating demand and overall the pillar of consumer demand is extremely important and very prominent at the at the moment, and I think that what we will see is in addition to to. Mm things already mentioned the government is going to be providing we'll be providing various types of subsidies and trying to prioritize the development of certain injury in industries such as a new technology vehicles, energy efficiency, and so forth. Thanks takes your rate here in the next segment will address some specific issues we mentioned in the first second about China's macro economic development yards Ning to today. Stay with us. China. Plus dot cri dot CNN is your home for everything you want to know about China. The latest news in China and everything China related from around the world. Everything can focus all in one place bringing you vital information feel business and travel Chinese culture language, learning and mall, shine, A-plus dot CO, arrived dot C N, China, plus dot cri dot C, N your portal into today's middle kingdom. You're listening to today were discussing China's domestic issues and also it's foreign policy. Now, let's talk about this tax cut and fee reduction. We mentioned in the first segment so Victor Premier Li talk about this this morning that it will be implemented in coming month. So how effective do you expect those policy their impact on the private sector? Ward a small businesses. Well, I do hope the policies announced by premier leakage. This money will be. Implemented a very faithfully. And the results will be. Very well felt in the business communities on the other hand allow me to emphasize that the Burton's on the Chinese companies, especially for the smaller medium sized the privately owned enterprises are very onerous. It's not only the income tax faced with, but also, including all the tariffs and charges and levies that the various government entities tend to Levy on these enterprises, and I think combined together the tax and the levies and charges of fees. For example, actually, add up to a very large button all these enterprises, especially for small medium sized the privately owned enterprises. And I think it is time for the government to take very affirmative measures to make sure that the burden on the companies will be lessened and the companies will really be immense. Pated, for example, at least they're overal Burton should be compatible to for example, the US companies after the massive federal corporate income tax reduction because otherwise a we are really put up so much burden on the Chinese companies or eventually they're visionary and productivity will be severely handicapped. Not only for production here in China. But also, especially in terms of competition with their counterparties in other developed countries so victory mentioned implementation. Do you foresee any particular difficulty challenges when he comes through the implementation process of of course, there will be difficulties for example in China because the countries so bake, and we have a structure of the central government and the top provincial governments in the middle. And then city and local government. On the third tier? Don't forget. Each of these provinces the size of a country in Europe, for example, in many other parts of the world, and sometimes the central government makes the right decision. But there is a kind of attempt at the regional level or the local level tried to succumb spent the central government's decision and tried to really wiggle there. Some rooms into the experiment implementation of these policies. But eventually the end result is that the culprits actually find themselves very helpless in dealing with these very excessive of burdens on the companies, and eventually, for example, some of the companies have to close down or reduced staff. The have for the employment or even for example, sometimes they need to relocate to some other countries or. I hope the policies and decisions announced by Premier Li Chang. First of all be very much faithfully implemented and the government should not stop here. The government should really size up the situation ongoing basis and really come up with more tax incentives. So that the Chinese companies of all kinds, we will have a much less Burton im- going forward in doing that business and also in terms of competing with that counterparties in other parts of the world. Right. So Mike another challenge. I can think of is when we talk about his text cut. We can imagine. There will be less fewer fiscal revenues for government. Not just the central government Republic, probably different governments from different levels. So how is the Chinese government trying to go with this situation? Just to step back moment provide a little background. Minder standing is that actually last year? There was also a an intent to to lower taxes and to to grant relief and the tax the the tax relief was provided. But at the same time the collection mechanism was reformed. So that tax companies that hadn't been paying what they should have been paying in the past. We're being brought up to date, and we're we're paying the appropriate mounts. The government had made some improvements in the system that the victims was talking about on the several several level system with cities and provinces and so forth. So the collection mechanisms should be improved. There should be a now with with the indiv- indicated VAT reductions, which are which are well targeted. They're they're different reductions for manufacturing construction financial services with with with these reductions, I think that what you'll see is that the government does. Have the ability to collect the taxes that that are in effect. And if there are lost revenues of they will they have very clearly indicated that these will be we become consented for a couple of different ways one is by reducing spending in other parts of government, and that that's also difficult to implement, of course in any country. But my my my sense is that the government is comfortable that they can achieve some some reduction in cost in those expenditures. And in addition, and what I think it is very important favorable is the indication that there will be transfers a fund from largest, so we which which perhaps have received some favorable treatment in the past and have excess capital that will be traff transferred into the government revenue to to make up. For lost tax dollar touch. Renan be the come out of the new system. So Victor, what's your take a particularly Michael nation. This methods to ask some SO to to transfer some money to to make up the loss out. What you raised just now is actually philosophical question. One line of argument, always says that the governor to collect more money and the government need to have a larger budget, for example, the need to spend the money for of IT of reasons, and if they collected less than they have less to spend and the people eventually will suffer. But on the other hand, there is another line of argument, which always says that the government actually does not need to connect so much money. They actually should spend less, and they should be more efficient. They should avoid the white elephant projects on the white elephant events, which cost so much money. Which are so ravage laugh. Vish for example, and they should really practice frugality, and this should really avoid spending too much on the tax payers money all these big item events now. And this line of argument always says that eventually the government reduces the burden on the companies or the individuals, actually, you have the effect of creating a logic high. So eventually in do 'cause at least the government eventually actually get more revenue coming in from the culprits off from the individuals. Now, I would say the immediate concern right now, the Chinese communities faced with is that we need to really make sure that the people have enough money to dispose of by themselves, and the companies should have a much less burden for example. So that they can increase their productivity and. Then I personally would appeal to the cover nature's is that they should avoid spending so much on some of the very much big show events, for example, that we will achieve more or less the same result without over spending the money for the show of these events think of much that's a rep up the first staff of a program in the next half. We will continue our discussion about China's domestic issues and is foreign policies. Join our panel today's our current affairs commentator, Victor gal and Michael powers Zurich insurance group professor of risk and finance at the university. And also, you can watch a live webcam broadcast of this discussion. Facebook can just search for China. Plus news on Facebook. You may want to post your questions online and will pass to questions to our guests to answer. And you can also download our podcast simply search for. World. News analysis, apple podcasts where any other places. You get to our podcast for previous episodes and more topics. You're listening to today. Stay with us. Listening to today. I'm sue each as Premier Li Coachella the press on Friday at the great hall of the people after the conclusion of the annual session of the National People's Congress, the national legislature hearing, China, so this absolute where discussing China's domestic issues and is foreign policy. Our panel is our current affairs commentator, Victor gal and Michael powers Zurich insurance group professor of risk and finance at Qinghua University. You can watch a live webcam broadcast of this discussion on Facebook and also on Twitter just search for China. Plus news, you can also post your questions there and will try to answer those questions and don't forget, you can also Dalo to our podcast simply search for world. News analysis, apple podcast, where any other places you get to our podcast for previous episodes and other topics you may find interested, and that's continue our discussion about China's economic issue and other. Topic? We mentioned in first-half is this foreign investment law. They tire law was released actually earlier today. And I need doesn't take many long for anyone to finish the whole thing. So Victor, how big of a change does this law would make I mean to replace the previous separate laws in this room. Yes, I think the preparation for this new law has taken several decades actually of there have been a preliminary proposals to all kinds of amendments or changes to the previous regulations company for investment in China fall. Yes. And this session finally all the good work over the years combinations. Being a good debate among the delegates of NBC and eventually passing this law as we just mentioned, I think there are two key. Provision. One is the negative list provisions and the other one is the leveling of the play ground for all kinds of enterprises, including foreign investments into China. Now. I personally believe this were really create a lot of predictability and transparency and freedom of all the enterprises coming from all parts of the world into China because they will no longer go through the so-called approval process. They just need to make sure that the investments they will make in China. I'm not the prohibited on the negative list. Dow let me just be very briefing Razi an example, previously, for example, the Walzer rule saying any provincial government in China can only approve for investments up to thirty million US dollars for one single investment. And keep in mind. We're talking. About these provinces, which are emitted cases are larger than a country in Europe. For example. There are so many provinces like the Citron province hurting them province Cuando province Shandong province, for example, which have each population of more than one hundred million and to have these kind of regulatory approach bishops on the pods on the Chinese province. You'll governments proving for investments now is very clear, it's a kind of unnecessary entrance. And I think using the negative list will really free up not only for investors come into China. But also, the government's at different levels in China to be more focused on what they are good at in doing rather than all the paperwork all the red tape, for example. And I think foreign investors will be much more enabled when they do these investments into China. Soul. I believe this foreign investment law will become a new landmark in any Janet will really become a new enabler for investments. And this also demonstrates that this at this particular moment of China's growth, we fully acknowledged the importance of the foreign investments into China over the past forty years, and we want to make sure that the foreign investments are continuously welcomed and will become increasingly important. Because nowadays when we talk about for investments is not only the money they bring in. It's also the technologies the technical know-how the brand's distribution network and the new way of doing things locking things. I think all these are absolutely what China will need in many years to come into the future. So Michael, how do you expect this will be received by other countries, particularly the business world? I think that will. Be very well received. And I think victims, right? This is a landmark in sense going to going back to something. I said earlier this is an indication that China believes that it no longer needs to protections for various domestic industries, even though it is still a developing Connie, but they're now creating this level playing field and apart from the negative list, which is really items that have more of perhaps national security strategic of concern, and aren't aren't there primarily for protectionist types of reasons the country is ready for for competition for a level playing field and full competition. So I think that foreign foreign investors potential foreign investors, foreign governments will see this as a very positive step. But I think in addition to this. The indication the statement by. Premier Li regarding the technology transfer issue, and the fact that it was not part of China's law was not part of the Chinese policy that that companies foreign companies would be forced to transfer technology as part of the joint ventures, and China, I think that that will also be seen very favourably abroad. And the fact that the the central government has as indicated an intent mechanism for dealing with infractions of that that sort of forcing technology, transferring if it Kerr's is particularly important, and is something that that investors will look at very closely as well as foreign governments. So another side of the story. I can't think of like Mike just mentioned less protection and ready for competition. What about domestic players like Victor, how quick do expect? This will put more pressure on Chinese. Domestic players in work in general. That's. There is a level of concern among domestic players because that has always been level of apprehension that once the country opens the door wider for foreign participation. They'll be negative pressure on the players probably will be faced up with more pressure more competition, for example. However, I think we need to look at the situation in a different way that is philosophically speaking more competition there is the better it is for China as a whole and also it is better for the Chinese players why because no one in China shoot build itself into big room of protection of our example, set behi- wall of protectionism tried to seek the level of safety all comfort in protected environment. Was we have more level? Playground once the country's more and more open to all kinds of competition, for example, including foreign competition. The environment of the business who will actually become healthier a more positive. So I hope our domestic companies will learn this not only from philosophical perspective. But also chewy know that this is the time to live up to the expecations live up to the pressure from everywhere or any corner in the business community and the key to a better survival going forward is always a relentless endeavor and innovation and entrepreneurship and don't be afraid of competition from foreign parties coming to China. A welcome such competition as an opportunity and eventually a more competitive. World will generate a result of better qualities banter products at safety records for any and all the players in doing business here in China facts, little reminder, while listeners you can also watch a life wet Cam broadcast of this penalty, Scott on Facebook and also on Twitter, just search for China, plus news, and also you can post your questions online and will try to answer those questions, and that's move onto innovation. Victor just mentioned innovation at first question is about the sharing Kadhamy earlier today Premier Li set when he comes to several quite high profile like sometimes safety incidents regarding the sharing Connie in China last year. He's he said when it comes to regulation of those new companies he said, not to let be abut war. But instead of also not shutting down once there is a problem so victory. How do you see this approach of the Chinese government to regulate that the new economy? I think you probably are referring to some of the new phenomenon in doing business in China involving new business models, for example, in China from the government's perspective there is an eagerness to promote more innovations, and they actually tend to approve for new types of businesses Neil concepts, for example, new business models, which many other countries of the government's all the regulators actually have a higher level of scrutiny against these businesses as primarily John correctly Pontius out where you do allow these new business models to take place all even to flourish. There are both pros and cons. There are rewards as well as risks. And because many of these new. Business models are completely new and the country all the consumers all the society at large forty prepared or sometimes they don't even know what will be the downside of the negative all damaging consequences. They will bringing sometimes we end up with some huge losses. Autism centers. All Business Times, for example. However, I think primarily giants also very correctly pointy out that the government should really be more balancing dealing with this on the one hand, I think China student to really adopt a very on day shis way in encouraging these new businesses in taking shaping China. But all the other hand, I think consumer protection and fraud prevention and in false -ment of all kinds and also a mechanism which can really spot some of the foul play mechanisms in these new business models. Should take place that eventually while we give them enough incentive to try and experiment with new ideas and new concepts. There will also be very speedy and effective mechanism to pick up the signals of foul play and eventually come to a quick solution of these major problems to avoid major disasters all very bad consequences of Chinese consumers. Right. So my code like Victor mention it's not just an issue in China. We know there is a debate in other parts of the world about regulation on those like internet giants were companies. So what's your observation of the approach of the Chinese government? I think that the the controversies that exist on the maybe the calls for regulation differ by country and differ by continent on in the United States. Their concerns about. Out some of the the the very big high tech companies and often they had to do with privacy issues privacy issues. But then also there their shoes of monopoly control of information and control of the use of information. And of course, then in those interplay with that in privacy. So that people are actually calling to break up some some of the big players at the moment. I'm not sure how that's going to play out Europe has expressed concerns in the privacy area privacy is for the past. Couple of decades has been a bigger concern. I would say in Europe than it was in the United States. And and so they're probably that will be more of the focus than issues of monopoly concentration and so forth. I in China. I think that with innovation is Victor said there, and it really depends on what? Industry looking at and who the possible winners and losers? Are we have in the sharing economy the shared bike market, where investors lost a lot of money? I think many of those investors were actually quite well to do investors. And so perhaps if they are informed investors, and they lose money that's less of a concern that if they are small small retail investors in the area of online lending, shadow banking, peer to peer lending particular. There is concern. And there there have been a concern with with people lending investing. That are not such that is not such well to do wealthy individuals and in that area, it it's more important that the government play a strong regulatory role to protect the smaller investors. And indeed, that's what happened in that industry. And the the government has taken some. Great strides to reduce the reduce the dangers are just influence on the dangers of the shadow banking industry as part of its overall de leveraging effort, in fact, I would say that perhaps that area is the most successful in terms of reducing inefficiency of through through excessive lending. So I think that innovation. Yes. I think China is maybe because of of the maybe the civil Justice system, the nature of the regulatory system the stratification of government, but the the principal control from the central government of certain types of regulatory issues. I think that it can allow the development or experimentation of of certain types of products that other countries might be reluctant to do. And but at the same time, it it has the the ability. To intervene much more quickly than some other countries such as the United States where other the system requires often requires the use of the court system to accomplish regulatory end, which can be accomplished in China much more quickly through the regulatory authority directly. Thank you very much before we enter our a second minutes. Take a short break. Here. You're distinct today stay with us. From breaking news and stories that matter to you. Find us on Twitter by searching for China plus news, where we'll share with you are up to the minute news in-depth analysis and live streaming videos. Visit China plus news for your window on China and the. Hi, this is entertaining. The today's show bring experts, local and international perspectives on China's economic and business issues having been in law government and finance in the United States. I find China's economic lick level fascinates and hope you do. Also. Thank you for listening. You're listening to today. I'm sweet Chinese Premier Li Challe meta press on Friday at the great hall of the people after the conclusion of this year's session of the Nash annual session of the National People's Congress. So this absolute where discussing China's domestic issues and also some of foreign policy. Our panel is current affairs commentator, Victor gal and Mike appears Zurich insurance group professor of risk and finance at university. A reminder for our listeners can also watch a live webcam broadcast of this penalty Scott on Facebook and also on Twitter just search for China plus news, and now let's continue our discussion since we're talking about innovation. I wanna bring up a topic five G A personally formation is that probably these days, we focus too much on the competitive side of the story of the five technology instead of the the real benefits or maybe real business models five G cambering to the world to China. So Victor, what's your observation? Of the casing China. Well, first of all five G is Israel five G is coming and five t will completely reshape the whole world in terms of all walks of life. And in terms of how things are down by companies by society by the government or by individuals. So let's face up with this great megatrend and the realities. Secondly, there are Chinese companies including hallway, for example, which are indeed in the cutting edge of the five G technologies. Third point let me and allow me to make a five G as far as I understand will involve at least two aspects. And these two aspects are very combined together like the two sides of the same coin that is one side is the infrastructure. The other side will be the applications which will be build our top of the applications. Not both are equally important. Let me give a point of my own personal observe -ation too many countries in the world. Now, if you do not build up a very high-quality five, gene at work, the applications eventually you will add on top of the five G network will be garbage in garbage out. So those countries will eventually lose out on two fronts. First of all, you have less of a high quality and affordable and reliable and safe a network to start with Secondly, all the applications you build on pop up that we'll be sub quality now in five G because the much more advanced an accelerated speed as seamless applications. You cannot really a fault to be amiss by any chance in terms of let's say pilots, Dr pilotless driving, for example, if your net. Network is not really up to standard. If the applications are up to standard, you will be talking about loss of human lives. So I would say for all those governments which are really tried to use either protectionism to screen outset and company in favor of others, for example, or for example, out of desperation or ever seeing for example, instinct, they are really going to cause a lot of harm to their own country and to their own consumer. So I would say when mankind is all the threshold of with this young going through the five G revolution. Let's be very objective. Let's be very much focused on the real thing. That matters that is a high quality network of five G and on top of at all. The relevant applications on top of the network. So Mike, oh, how'd you evaluate the potential of g in China? I figured some it's going to be dramatic. If I had any concern concern would be that. Perhaps as says, the technology is fantastic. It's a great step forward. If there's a concern, it might be that perhaps we don't yet have the applications for some for some of the potential that's being offered. The biggest area where people talk about applications is in the so-called internet things any kind of mechanisms that require not just rapid connect collectively. But a constant dual back and forth collectively multiple connections to the same note. And so forth will be enhanced. So the for example, the the driverless vehicle or the driverless or the pilot's drone. All of these things are now an experimental stages. China's doing it the United States is doing it Europe to doing. But it will be the ability will be greatly enhanced in terms of the amount of information in the speed that the information of can be transmitted which will greatly reduce the potential for accidents. And and other types of of damage or inefficiencies that could result from the system. So I really think that we will begin to see a more use of of these interactive things these mechanisms that we can perhaps ourselves, but certainly as government or companies will be able to provide a through internet connections. We probably will be able to to access more and have control over more things through our smartphones much as somebody today might be able to control a drone through a smartphone. And that seems pretty remarkable. We'll be able to do many things we'll be able to perhaps. Have much much better interaction with delivery service. We will perhaps be able to follow our package. A not just once it gets to the delivery person at the final stage, but everywhere through the process and not just by seeing something presented on a computer screen, but by interacting and asking questions moment by moment. I think that there there really are tremendous potentials of that will come about. And I think that re- referring to to something that we covered earlier in terms of the regulation that that is is likely and that his needed. This is something I mean, one difference is of course, in terms of the technology choices that the different countries make in the competitiveness and other things that are involved with that. But in terms of the regulation, this is an area in which I think that there could be very dramatic differences between China and the United States because of the the nature of. Civil Justice system and the types of regulations that come into play when one is flying drone around or one is driving a vehicle around and they're human beings at risk. I think that the the ability to to introduce pilot programs and speedily improve this market is something that China may be able and our vantage the China may have over the United States. Thanks was to have time to address a foreign policy question. This morning Premier Li shell made it clear he said, it's basically impossible to decouple China and the United States, so Victor, we understand that this general attitude. Well, I think primerica channels very confident of very balanced and very much composed in describing China's foreign policies as well, as for example, very important relations between China and the United States. It also demonstrates the level of confidence PR. America John himself as one as as represented by him, the Chinese leadership as a whole in terms of understanding the real crux of the better in China US relations. I think it's very courage in the Chinese leadership is very fully convinced that a nothing fundamentally wrong will happen between China the United States causing resulting in that de-coupling of the China US rations after all China US relations are very much intertwined with each other and the two economies are very much interconnected with each other and trying to achieve completed de-coupling will first of all not be possible. Secondly, it will be hugely damaging to the fundamental interest of the American people to start with. But also, of course, will be damaging to the Chinese people. And therefore, I hope they'll be no one. Really out of their decency or out of their mind in trying to pursue such a fraud the policy of trying to decouple the economy's all this society at lodging China with that of the United States. It's a mission impossible. I think the better way as the Chinese leaders have described again, again is whether you like it on China and the United States will need to learn how to get along with each other. Thank you very much. Unfortunately, that's all the time. We have for this edition our panel. And I wanna thank our guests current affairs commentator, Victor gal and Mike appears Zurich insurance group professor of risk and finance. It's university. And don't forget you can't download our podcast searching for world news analysis. I'm sweet have nice weekend.
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The end okay. All right geno randomly do anything. Just do it. I mean click in. What can i tell you what we're doing. Yeah so and then. We're gonna play the winners audio messages next week. So what we asked you guys to do. If you want last week is check out. This speech that an investor called li lu gave in china in chinese. I don't know if that is mandarin or cantonese or a different language. That just says chinese on the page and they gave trans. Somebody has translated this into english. You can find the speech on leila's funds website which is called himalayan capital. And if you go on there if you're interested in reading it after you've listened to this Podcast you can go on there and go. Gosh i don't have it in front of me but click around. It's like it's like resources or something like that and And the speech is right at the top and it's called the prospect of value investing in china. It was from october twenty. Third two thousand fifteen so this talk dad. You started telling me about it last week and you were talking about it. In the context of only one part which was the various financial assets and what the growth over time has been comparing cash stock schooled. Gdp but i really wanted to read the whole thing. It sounded so interesting. And i'm so glad that i did. You read all the stuff about the integrity of a financial advisor. And of course. I mean it's shocking. When he puts it the way he puts it to this group of people who presumably are going to go out and advised people about investing and and of course lew has our shares our view he learned directly from buffet. And and is. I think a very close friend of charlie monger. I think he lives in pasadena in order to be near. Charlie i think lives in seattle. Might he might be may okay. I really don't know but He presents this view. These chinese students. That i think is so right on. Basically of all the professions you could get into of all the things people could study to be a professional in college right. You can be a dentist and you can be a car mechanic and get certified to do that in training school. You can write any place where you really have professional credential. Everyone understands their products deeply. I mean that's what they do right. I mean i. I have a professional come over. Here is a good friend of mine to take care of our heating and air conditioning systems. And he's investing in carrier he'd yummy deep into his own subject obviously Except for financial advisers who lee lou correctly asserts. No nearly nothing about what they are putting people into just. That's an interesting take. that's not the take. Take that i that. I got what i got. Is i quote him users in this industry don't know anything about its products and how to discern their quality which to me means people buying financial services. Don't know anything about what they're buying. The you took it the other way are i. Don't have it right in front of me. But yeah i. I read it that he was basically saying if you know financial advisers by and large our salespeople. They're trained to sales people. They don't know what it is. They're they're putting people into and as a result you end up with this in what people call investing That financial advisors do for you is simply spreading your money. Oliver kingdom come because they don't have a clue about actually that's what he's saying. I mean he goes on to say he compares it to a car owner restaurant. Goer a hotel guest. So he's not talking about people who operate the hotel people operate the restaurant people who make the cars. He's talking about people who buy who buy the services. He says a car owner restaurant or hotel gas can pretty much tell how good the product and or service is once he experiences it however this is not so in the asset management industry. Most of the time consumers have no way of judging whether a product is good or bad and cannot determine whether a service is superior or inferior. And i really. I really like except you forgot the next sentence. I don't think i forgot it. Go ahead and not only consumers and investors but also the professionals including some of the top players difficult to discern the quality of product or service offered by other players which players is completely different from other service industries right. So what. I hear him saying. Is you as a financial professional. May not understand what guy guy why ax as a financial professional is doing. You know you're doing but you maybe don't know what some other guys doing now. Okay well i do think about. He's aiming because he then goes on to say. I mean come on if you if you can't tell how good someone else is doing is. Do you even understand the products in other words here here here you get down to the bottom. Which is that since. People can't distinguish good products from bad ones in the industry. Most investment theories are subject to the axiom where you sit determines how you think and what you say so he. He's basically saying people don't know what they've got. They don't know a good thing from a bad thing. And that's not just the people who are buying but also the professionals who are selling it. I do think i do think he that for sure because the whole section is about how not only do consumers not get it because we don't have the ability really but also many times somebody doing well as a as a manager is because the whole market is doing well or is because of luck and so he says very explicitly even somebody who has been a manager for ten years li lou. The the speaker would not be able to necessarily judge whether or not that person is actually good at what they do because he can't see what's in his portfolio. He does say if. I can know what's in the portfolio than after observing him over a very long period of time. I can make a judgment right. Do that and i do do that. And in fact we've talked about how friend of mine wanted me to evaluate bernie madoff said. Okay great send me over. What has been doing. And she couldn't he. He never provided anybody with any of that information. So the big big red flag right if you can't dig in for a long period of time on what somebody's been doing. You really don't have any idea of whether they're good or not. And in fact a lot of these investment professionals lou goes on to say Believe half truths and even fallacies and many professionals themselves cannot distinguish truth from fallacy. And what he's talking about there and just that real quick sentence it's actually on page three if you're looking for daniel at the top of the page is what he's talking about there. Is that many many professionals. Charlie munger says ninety five percent. Not just many almost all charlie says. Are you know you could compare them to which doctors and and And and that's because they believe in things that are simply not true and they run their business on that basis. and what they're believing. That's not true. According to lou and charlie munger and warren buffett and me and is this that they believe that somehow the stock market is this amazing place that perfectly prizes everything that somehow they've decided you know standing away from it like academics do that. The market's totally rational. All the time nobody makes you know in general. Nobody you know in if you do the mass of course you end up with a bell curve. But in general people don't price things wrong. I mean yeah. That's i think that's easily inferred. It's not he doesn't face talk about that at all and i was really struck by this opening. I've done i've written lots of things about lulu over the years and trust me. He totally believes what i said. At qualcomm we believe in staying connected and you can see us wherever five g is helping transform telemedicine supporting remote education empowering mobile. Pc's the invention ages here. Learn more at qualcomm dot com slash invention. I'm sure he does but he did. Not say that in this speech. And i found that very interesting. This whole opening section is nothing but ethics. He makes a huge point twice really. It's the same point said twice. The first one is make it your your ethical obligation to seek truth and wisdom and the second one is be really good fiduciary for your investors as though they were your own money or your parents money your family's lifetime of hard work and for galaxy that really the same point twice to me and i was just. I was just really struck that that's what he chose to say. Not the stuff about markets or mr market or ups and downs or theories of markets. It was. Let's make sure. I'm being clear about your obligations as potential financial professionals and then as i read through the the speech there's the whole middle part which is interesting about the different asset classes that you mentioned but the whole last part is about china and china's place with their financial markets. And how they are coming up with the west but lagging a little bit. And i realized this is my full opinion. I don't have any proof of this. But my opinion is that he was trying to make a point about china without ever saying it to me. This is the most brilliant middle ground i have ever seen. Somebody walk of trying to make a point to these students that they are in a corrupt system and they can be the ones to have truth. Have honor have a fiduciary duty to their clients And may be changed the system from within. And i think he was also talking to china. I think he also talking to the government. He was saying if you can't create a reliable stock exchange with trustworthy information. You will not continue will not be able to do well against the west going forward but he never actually said that this is all just my conjecture but i mean if you read it with that lens it's there. It's so there and he. He gave the speech in china like on chinese soil and he was so careful never to say a single negative thing about the chinese markets or about chinese reporting of companies which is generally considered to be full of false information true. He never said that. In this speech and i just i've been reading about. It just really struck me. This whole thing is about like trying to be better than the system. you're in and also encouraging the government to do better without ever actually doing like without ever actually saying it's amazing. It was a very tight rope. Walk and you've just illuminated some things that i really didn't see. I knew he was walking a tight rope with regard to not criticizing china but emphasizing that if china's going to compete with western civilization which he called civilization three point zero They have to the only way they can do that. It doesn't matter about cultural and political factors. That's a really important thing they don't have to. You know a free democratic society is not saying that saying that. What you have to do is you have to you have to. You have to be truthful about science and technology and you have to have a free market right. Those are the two things and man he says. That's the true essence of of civilization. Three oh no democracy versus you. Know other kinds of government man alive. That's really really amazing. You sort of dug that other aspect out of it that i thought he was basically following along the criticism of modern portfolio theory. And i think you have eliminated a whole 'nother thing here which is that. He's encouraging without being critical. The chinese markets the the information released the to be truthful so that advisers are not taking advantage of their investors precisely for. I think this is my opinion. i don't do. This is what he meant. But i see it in the first part i was like wow. That's really interesting. Way to really hammer the ethical part of it and then and then i got to the last part and to me the thing that jumped out when he says he calls. He divides history Or different professor divided history into three. No he says. I divide human civilization into three eras. So he says we're in the third era and as you just said the two causes of us being in this very high growth. Third era are modern science and technology and the free market economy. And i read that. And i just thought like. Isn't he missing. An entire third element which is reliable government and reliable stock exchanges are not even stock necessarily but reliable exchanges of investors. I mean he considers civilization three point of started around eighteen hundred which just happens to be right when the new york stock exchange got going and turned what was exchanges in europe which were filled with misinformation and no regulation. And i'm not saying the new york stock exchange started out perfect but they got regulation going quickly enough to make it trustworthy amongst investors and i just see that as a huge component of the free market economy being able to be monetize very high growth way. We can even see it in the last few years. I mean we were just talking about this last time few years. Let's say last. Ten years with the internet and with individuals retail investors us coming in and buying more and more of of stocks and companies and the huge difference that even just that influx of money has made to the growth of the stock market And so i think. I personally my opinion that's a huge third component of his paradigm that he does not mention. And maybe that's because he doesn't agree with that or maybe that's because he purposely left that out because it would've been critical of the chinese system right now and i think he's saying that. Even if china abandons their their movement right over the last thirty five years or so from civilization two point five as he calls it where they are now into civilization three point even if china abandons that the iron law of civilization is that they can't abandon it forever as you go to globalization. You have to go there. You get drug. There is kind of the way this works or you get left behind right. Like he mentioned like north korea. Yeah a few other states that have been isolated isolated right but that's so rare and it doesn't last and the long run where we're looking at like two hundred year long runs type thing very chinese look very very long-term doesn't last you're overwhelmed by These technologies in future. And you can't stay there. You can't stay where you were. And so he's basically saying as a value investor kind of investing. We talk about here. As a value investor you will reap the benefit of finding wonderful companies in china. He's talking to these chinese guys Even if china doesn't do what they probably should do even then because you can take comfort knowing you. Can you have this huge margin of safety and you know you can exit. Because you've got a margin of safety or you can stay with the with the companies and the value of this. Is that in. China prices right now are dramatically disconnected from intrinsic value. And that's that's just a wonderful place for us to go right. I mean if you're chinese you're in you're in like a perfect situation to invest for the long term when everyone in china it seems like is on short-term trades even the institutional investors on short term trades and you end up with fewer competitors. You've got a higher probability of success than doing this and other markets. And so i think that is what he's saying he's definitely encouraging them for sure. Encourage him. So let's get to the asset discussion next time because okay good Let's just let's just say that the m the impact of this kind of investing even if all you did was do. The index is so dramatically. Better for you in the long run than any other. Asset group is stunning. I mean yeah. But i think we should get into that. I think we should talk about it. Yeah we definitely got to. i mean. It's just stunning. I'm just so that's the middle sections. If you guys didn't go read the speech it's worth reading if you don't feel like reading it that's fine also and i think we should. We should talk about that asset discussion. Next time we'll talk about why it's a million to one better than almost anything else thinks everybody guys. Thanks for listening to invest it. If you enjoyed this episode you want more information or to listen to. Additional episodes. 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Everything You Need to Know About Eco-Friendly Bedding
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You've probably heard us talk about so many many times accompanied that we've been partnering with for now a year already and so now i'm really excited to really get a chance for you guys listeners to me the founder of this brand so call in without further ado i would love for you to introduce yourself talismans y you start the company and kind of why you chose to go into eco-friendly badging. That's what we're talking in this with right. What are the different options in terms of aeko friend. The planet friendly batting options products for your home. What has different materials in how they compare to each other. So that's what we will be talking about today but again call in. Please introduce yourself sure thing. Thanks for the warm introduction. And i also just want to say thanks to the whole brightly community. It's a real thrill for me to be on the podcasts. Because we've seen so many posts from y'all in your ambassadors about sheets and giggles about Eucalyptus lyle spreading awareness about You know maybe the cotton industries insecticide usage or Polyester sheets are are really bad for the environment and it's been really. It's been really awesome the season. Thank you all for all your attention and everything you've done in partnership with us. We're really happy to support brightly in the community that you're building. I just got say it's so impressive. How quickly you all have built up Such incredible community With you know through social media so quickly so just graduation euro by his sunlight. Garlan amulet The definitely appreciate our community and their support as well for short. Also a quick introduction for me. i'm calling him ceo and founder. she goes. I founded the company in twenty seventeen After being laid off from my last job very suddenly at one pm on a monday And yeah no i i. Yeah it's it's one of my favorite things to help people like I've been fired three times in my career my terrible employees and And i liked mention that because a lot of times people get fired or laid off or like go It can feel like sort of a failure on it's very emotional And i always find that when you reach a point where you're ready for you know quote unquote break up with the company that you're working out whether it's A layoff or being like. Oh it's always for the best it's the best emotionally mentally And and oftentimes professionally and so Just ignore anyone out there. That's that's had trouble lately. I i used to be a recruiter. I've written you know free. Resume post need resume advice. It's out there search for cheating. Those resume getting off topic. But in any case i really like Just mentioned that. Because i founded the company after i got laid without last week's pay I had the buyback my laptop from the company to continue using it Lost my healthcare suddenly and I think a year later in twenty eighteen sheets goes won first. place was a year today. actually september twenty fifth eighteen. We won first place at denver startup week which came with a really cool Ninety five thousand dollar Prize and then a year after that. We you know had a really big holiday season and twenty nineteen and we were. You know had our first employees. We're moving pretty quickly. And then a year after that in twenty twenty three years. After i founded the company we were actually featured on good morning america as their small business spotlight for black friday which was really astounding and It's just been a really really tremendous growth curve and You know we. We may sustainable products. Like you alluded to and it's just really great to see the reception to the fun differentiator brand that we built in a pretty boring space. No i love your brand. I always whenever end up on your website. Which is quite was. I've been gifting shits and giggles law. And of course we check all the time but always still laura that oh my god. They're you know the copywriting Is amazing even to us. I was just referring to like. It's it's so fun. Faq us right is what we say. Yes yes but yet we. We have a lot of fun to combat thinking. I think the trick is in the beginning. All i had was copy. I'm not. I'm not a visual designer. I'm not a graphic designer I'm not a social media expert But i love copy. I grew up on seinfeld Spongebob dan le batard show. These are big influences. In terms. Of how i write and how i speak and you know for me. I was considered sheets seinfeld abetting brands. It's a a brand about nothing Which means that. We're going to be a brand a brand about everything so we can post. You know one day about neonicotinoids and how they're killing burden bee populations and the next day. We can post a you know. Spongebob team and the day after that. Maybe we're doing like a free pizza giveaway in the day after that We're talking about micro-plastics in our waterways. And it's a lot of fun because all over the place and we built a really like the community around that sort of you know brand that's not To honed in or to take yourself too seriously in any one direction. Sorry i'll make a note of that i was. I was u-turn. Tony's myself five. Li li that entity funny to have little little outtake. Oh my god that. I lose her. Yeah no i mean. Laura always go back and forth. Should we do it or should we not do it. But i i do love this idea of like just like keeping the yard so yeah no i love it my husband will love your pricey like brennan about nothing is a huge seinfeld fan and yeah i think that's maybe may maybe that's kind of. I'm trying to send the why our partnerships is so successful. why our audience Legal so much made because of our kind of like pretty similar approach right. We really focus of making sustainability Space spacing conversations more positive right in a more negative in pretty depressing facts in our audience. Right whenever we do that we try to kind of you know. Serve this vaccine there in a not too depressing way and also course absolute always This depressing facts with something. Simple steps that everybody can Can do to make this world a better place right without just like going into depression. So i think that's it's. That's actually one of the things. When i founded the company that was a core belief of mine is that sustainable products tend to lead with a lot of negativity. A lot of anger been. This is five years ago. When i was when i was thinking about this stuff. You know for the the landscape has changed for sure. And i love the seat of the more positive. You know we can make progress type of mentality and a more lighthearted mentality too. But yeah i i agree that that the doom and gloom is just not very good and actually can lead to a lot of paralysis for people from taking action because it feels very overwhelming when the news is constantly Almost insurmountable From like when you look thinking about if my goal perspective but That's why i always like to think about millions and millions of people living imperfectly on and make end making good choices but not perfect choices versus trying to live that perfect perfect life exactly yeah. I'm glad that this kind of message resonates with so many founders As we always had brian bladder over perfection. Let's not forget that. Yeah so yeah. Let's get into the conversation. Hollow people make an indifference These days right now. We're stuck at home spending a lot of time inside Things are getting better on course but still one way we can make a difference. We are working on making homes more sustainable right And of course has includes betty Cotton has been Bedding material for years. Since it's the natural material by is becoming very clear that it's not the best option for the environment right so again we start with the kind of primer. Can you run us through the eco-friendly betting options. Are we now have as consumers. Yeah absolutely in an. I've seen so the terms of cotton so people can understand. I don't like to to bad mouth. Anything too much in and say you know that you should or shouldn't be doing one thing the other. I just kind of like the present the way that things are so cotton is extremely water. Thirsty for example uses Some estimates are thousands of gallons of water per sheet said Depending on the manufacturer We tend to estimate A little bit over a thousand for the average cod. She'd said of gallons of water use It uses a ton of energy to create as well And it also very crucially uses a huge amount of the world has the size and insecticides as a crop i've seen estimates ranging from sixteen to twenty four percent of the world's insecticides are used on cotton that the in that includes neonicotinoids Which are used a lot on The cotton seeds and roots and it actually is one of the nerve agent And ends up killing two birds and bees. So that's one of the most harmful. Insecticides actually been banned in europe but it hasn't been banned in asia in america where a ton of the world's cotton is grown And so that's one thing. I think people should really be conscious of when buying cotton is What goes into actually growing it and getting ready for sale and unless you know that actually talking about the continent how extremely thirsty. It is raid. We actually recording this episode on march twenty second which is world water day. I just went. Yeah i might. My career started with an internship A nonprofit that was focusing on water sanitation issues. And yeah like when you are realizing you guys can find more information about world water day like what i'm talking about when we're talking about water crisis and stuff like this Drinking water or the lack thereof. You can check it at world water day at org but you know when you know about like millions. It's almost a billion people who don't have access to clean drinking water In the around the world today right and then when you have this figures right off how much water it takes to produce. Just one of cotton. Thirteen hundred gallons. You know the the two things really put things into perspective. I grew thanks for his water. Day i blanked on that my social media posting Totally forgot how to progress personally And i seem to blend together a little bit now especially mondays but Yeah i think that. That's the thing. Realize and i think that documentary series explained Pretty interesting one on this was by box and It just went over. How waters freshwater to finite resource using it for one thing necessarily means you cannot be using it simultaneously for another. It's sort of like mutually exclusive use and so as the world's population continues to explode We really have to focus on reduction in fresh water usage. and so Yeah it's a great rating point out and so we talked about cotton. Let's go through. Some other options are of course. I think bamboo right. Bamboo beden is a great inadequate. Turn of kindergarten of us. Bamboo bedding wanna one just absolutely so so it can be it depends and this is the tricky part for consumer is understanding the how who's producing it and how it's being produced so bamboo can be can be grown without pesticides which is great It can use a little water and it's very fast growing crop so it's definitely very similar. Eucalyptus in essence actually But the thing about Bamboo bisco specifically. Which is the number. When you when you see bamboo when you see them boo sheets bamboo shirts. Any type of bamboo fabric motive vast majority of it is what's called bamboo. Viscose which is made a process that utilizes a very harmful toxic chemical called carbondale. Fine and that is a You know could be can be a very very negative environmental process. It depends on how that is captured and disposed of when the process is done so it from figures that i've seen tend to be about fifty. Fifty percentage in terms of is disposed of properly or is disposed of Improperly and so it's a little bit esoteric for the consumer to figure out okay. Was this bamboo. Viscose produced where the carbon sulfide was You know safely Treated in removed or was it just dumped into a waterway As a lot of it is so. I i would say that. There's an astros on bamboo which is You know isn't always the most environmentally friendly. Because of what happens to the chemicals that are used in each batch of pulp production. There's also another form of bamboo that i would recommend but not necessarily for bedsheets mechanically produced instead of chemically. So it's it's bamboo linen And them linen It's it's rougher than Viscous like if it this is very soft has soft drape and handed the'll But them lennon is a little bit more rougher more kintu hemp deal And so it's not really suitable for for super nice betting But in that's what makes up very tiny portion of thembu fabric is mechanically processed one. So i don't mean to be a downer I think that that dan move is a wonderful material. It just depends on who's producing it. And so i would simply enquire before buying from a company. Hey how was your viscose Produced what you do with your carbon sulfide. What do you do with the chemicals that you produce You know during each batch production and some companies might have very good reasonable answer and certifications as what they actually do with that. And that's totally fine and others will not and you can avoid the ones that don't exactly what always do your research I it does put more pressure on us as consumers like we do have to go that extra step that extra mile whatever to really learn in think about very cohesively about the whole production of anything. We're buying know. I people paid fairly What does the packaging that stuff. So and and we we get ask questions like that all the time. We put a bunch info on our website or it's hard to. It's hard to everything without being completely exhausted in and you know but we get questions via email phone call facebook and we just answer them as honestly as transparently straightforward possible. Give them as much information as we can And i love that type of interaction with people in fact you mentioned packaging a second ago. One of the best in iraq. But i'll ever remember is back in late twenty eighteen. We had just started shipping. Our first units about a year after the company and we got an email from one of our customers i believe. His name is jordan Jt and he said hey. I really loved product. She's fantastic love of sustainability in manufacturing. But the the box Came in a corrugated box. A brown box and y'all put You know a plastic winding recyclable plastic lining but a plastic lining around the sheets inside of the box. And i said i respond to him as a ceo. And i said hey. This is great feedback. you know we do that because we have a white box. We're really worried about ups and fedex destroying during transit. We want to have a very pristine good brand You know further. We have in. The plastic lining has water damage during transit. We wanna make sure that it gets last outside the sheets. Don't get ruined on your doorstep or anything like that. And he pushed back and he said look. That's all well and good that makes sense. I think you guys can be smarter than that in and be smart enough to get around it and it was such a good healthy positive interaction without the i still remember it very clearly without any type of negativity or overt criticism or judgment on terms of a new business trying to figure things out and so we immediately went back to the drawing board. We ended up doing purple box so that way a really dark purple box. So that way we could not put a corrugated box around our box and we can actually slap a label right on it and let me tell. Ups and fedex beat up packing crazy sore bodily who they do arrive scuffed up sometimes. Scratch marks you know some dirt and and it's not our fault became really doing about that. It does bother me a little bit. But i think it's well worth the tradeoff not had that big corrugated box on the outside of your box. I think that's so weird yours in the online now and it always comes a box within a box or multiple boxes a box. Any case i digress and the other thing that we did was we remove the plastic lining in our sheets ship completely free in the boxes inside a knapsack that's made from recycled earth's or upcycle dabur from our factory floor so we take the waste fabric. We turn into knapsack that you can use in other walks of life or his travel bag for your sheets. We put the sheet sets inside of those inside of the box. And that's it. And so i think we're one of the only companies. If not the only company. I know in the betting space that actually ships completely plastic free packaging and thanks very customer interaction. That was very reasonable and smart We and we've shipped our last. You know ten. I don't even know how many tens of thousands of pieces now maybe over one hundred thousand pieces without any plastic whatsoever. No corrugated boxes on the outside. Yeah i was gonna ask Books you have heard trump but probably fifty thousand yet in the a. Yeah in the same with the pieces of plastic and so it adds up. I mean you know if you can if you can write in my my girlfriend actually does all the time where she'll We'll go to a restaurant and they'll have Whether it's plastic straws. Or you know something else that you know. Many single use plastic packaging condiments or whatever. Just simply have a conversation with the manager. And just say hey. I was wondering if you knew that there were these companies in colorado that had these ego from the alternatives to the same things that you guys are using here. The usually at a similar may be slightly higher cost But you know a lot of times chalet. She'll be able to convince somebody to give them a try. And we've seen whole restaurants move just from you know that type of polite suggestion To a different packaging supply chain and sometimes the business owner isn't even thinking about it because they've got a million other things on their mind and it just takes a a kind comment on that pushes people in the right direction. Yeah no absolutely right. So let's talk about one more material that's Becoming more and more popular in the bedding spaces organic hamp writes formula option. It's stronger than cotton. At least from what i know and very durable so at one breakdown when you wash it right. I haven't tried. actually. I haven't i don't have betting Sheets or anything like you only have sheets and giggles betting brand loyalty so yeah tell me about hemp. I personally like For clothing i do not like it for bed. She slept on. I've slept on him. I've slept on hemp blends. I've slept on hemp lyles l. Blondes and i personally and this is just a personal preference. Do don't think that hemp fabric is very for ultra soft bedding. We've sampled it. We've produced our own. We've we've seen what it feels like. We're giving it to customers to give feedback on what you. What do you think about this if we did some type of blend or even our own line and we. We can't say you're at out at least not today if heavens up becoming more suitable for that really you know best in class You know really wonderful deal for bedsheets. We will be one of the first people to adopt it. I i simply don't think that it's there yet. And one of the things with me that i think is very important. Is that sustainable products. Need to also be. Think superior to the non-sustainable products And that's something that. I believe my bones because i and i'm i'm an american consumer. I'm i'm probably just a selfish is ninety nine percent of people out there when it comes around personal buying decisions but i tend. I grew up in time. In the ninety s. when of the sustainable products were marketed as Better for the environment even though it's slightly lesser than as a product and. I think that kind of seeped into america's sub-conscious as okay. Maybe the product sustainable. But i bet it's not as good as the unsustainable thing and in the case of our sheets just not true. And i would want to be really careful about introducing anything that i see a subpar. Sleeping experience in. Ns just my personal opinion and other people are more than welcome to disagree with me on that. No i absolutely agree with you whenever i talk to. Ethical brand founders especially in the fair trade space. If you know. I've been in that space for years. You know that had like this whole hippie kind of association you know like the early days of fair. Trade is kind of charge key products that no. That's that's a really bad. Pr for that for the industry for certification and yet the your mission and environmental friendliness of your product. Or whatever you do. I always like to say it should be cherry on top. The first thing you have to have is amazing. Quality product that beats or competes at least in terms of performance quality. Exactly non-sustainable bro. Yeah otherwise i and an enhanced is wonderful fabric. It's durable. it's great i just. I think it's too rough for betting. And i and i i do. I do have apparel but That's just a personal preference. Great all right. Well let's talk about eucalyptus now. Let's talk about shooting gills and why you guys decided to go with eucalyptus lasalle right. That's the main material that you're using for all of your products or just the sheets So we use it for all our part sheets comforters. Uday covers pillowcases in throw blankets in our in our heavy throws are. Actually i think gum my favorite thing that we produce. It's the it's the newest thing did they come in these gorgeous colors and I mean the sheets are are obviously our flagship. And my my overall thing. But i guess maybe i'm just having recent virus in staring at my throw blanket couch right absolutely Bliss lauren how we have the yellow ones Lob it to sunflower yet mastic. Yeah but yeah no. Everything's everything's eucalyptus lyle so And then for our comforters. we actually Do a fifty fifty Eucalyptus lyle sell. I recycled polyester filling The recycled polly's made from Water bottles that are pulled out of the environment in turn into recycled pet And then that's thermally bonded with the lyle sell works really nicely as a as a filling because it both holds heat and That doesn't keep you suffocated trapped underneath glowing reviews about how it's really wonderful hot sleepers We're we're actually working on something really cool. Where not only. Are we going to have that recycled billing. But we're also you know we're doing something with with some of the plastic that's being into our environment But we're also a working on a solution to make it biodegradable as well within three years And stay tuned for that but that should be announced in coming out with by sheets and goals In the next one to three months are comforters will not only the recycled poly as fifty fifty failing with eagle at the slough sell but it will be biodegradable as well. That's amazing that's amazing. I've just interviewed head of sustainability at ross's where You know they As this actually episode have been will be published by then they would have announced this that they're circularity of their products i am i'm super excited. It's cutting edges is. It's brand it's brand new. It's something that i think he's gonna make major waves over the next twelve to twenty four months where you're gonna start to see a lot of a lot of Recycled polyester products have this. You know Extra additive to it. That makes a biodegradable. It's a really incredible banging. We'll share more details. Become available has great yeah. Love at brands are starting to think about end of life of the product. You know like after a what happens to the product after not just sold it to the customer but also the customer kind of used That's on the in in the case of eucalyptus slough so it actually biodegrade completely within nine weeks with no race. Oh yeah so if you if you put it in a landfill or god forbid the ocean It'll it'll be gone in about two and a half months and it's it's a lot faster than cotton and It's a there's you know. Our sheets are usda bile preferred certified And so that basically means that it's Biodegradable and plant based material And that's a really great certification for people that are worried about end of life What happens the products after they're supposed those so. It's literally if i throw my sheets into like my garden into the soil. They will like biodegrade in. I don't know. I don't know how rich the soil behind your house but Yeah i mean you compare compare your seat and then and let us know. Let us know how many months it takes. But it'll be a little faster in a in a landfill where a little more biomass which makes sense makes sense. This episode is brought to you by real paper tree. Free toilet paper made from one hundred percent. Bamboo community has been asking us about paper. Free swaps for items around the house. So this alternative. The traditional toilet paper is right up our alley. I dunno about you. Laura but always run out of toilet paper me too and i love. The real paper delivers direct. Your home while also using plastic free packaging. It makes up so much easier also while you probably haven't considered the environmental impact of your bathroom habits. Unfortunately over twenty seven thousand trees are flushed down the toilet every day across the world. That's a lot of waste and by using paper that comes from bamboo. 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So when theseus reached out to us it was the perfect timing thistles plant. Ford meals are seriously tasty delivered ready to go on your doorstep right now. They're just on the west coast but they're adding more locations anyway. I was really surprised. At how filling and supercrew of the meals are the spices and the sauces they include or really unique and tasty. I love fresh. everything was as well given. That smells la vegetable. Based laura know both unite love to cook especially during the pandemic. But it's been a great addition to our weekly regions. It's a quick alternative to take out lunches between so calls absolutely. This'll is plant based eating on autopilot. You don't even have to think about it and bam. You're eating better for the planet good together. Listeners can get one hundred dollars off with the code brightly at thistle dot co. that's t. h. i. s. t. l. e. dot co so what's at some other benefits of eucalyptus. I know we've talked about. You know biodegradable. All natural analysts. Talk a bit more about eucalyptus. Wiser the best. 'em even curious like what really made you decide on eucalyptus as a preferred material. What was the one main factor. I so it was. It was just materials research. So i so i was researching hot organic cotton. I was researching bamboo viscose. I was researching mo- doll on which is another form of cellulose gray on I was researching a hem. And i was meeting with differing manufacturing partners different people Who have different cutting so operations. All across the world and i was really focused on finding the perfect material. When i say perfect i mean it had to be like we talked about earlier superior to the unsustainable options to superior to cotton and polyester And also had to be something that was you know. Top the lyon terms of sustainability manufacturing. And so it was really probably about six months of research and development in meetings That had we did a few a few samples with a few different manufacturing partners. And i ended up deciding to go forward with eagles this lyle cell. Because in my you'll things a little intuitively. Sometimes it was by far the most sustainable option out of everything with the exception of potentially him And it was also closed loop product. I can go into more finite The more intricate details But it was also the best product far asleep on and that for me was so crucial just in terms of the breed ability. The cool this. The softness has a lower coefficient of friction than cotton. Zero static hypoallergenic In and really the key difference in sleep quality is going to be the moisture management so eucalyptus laos i'll has incredibly superior moisture management. What that means is human being sleep better and more soundly throughout their non rem cycles when you are Dry and cool and so when you sweat a lot of times with a fabric like cotton which has a weighty element or fabric like polyester which is notorious for trapping moisture You'll wake up in a pool of sweat or overheating and it will interrupt your sleep cycles. And so what eucalyptus laos it does is it will wick distribute in evaporate moisture across the bedsheet incredibly efficiently compared to any other fabric Enough because the cellular technology of the lyle sell as well as the perfectly cylindrical. Element of the fiber And so those are the main sleeping benefits then from ability side. That's a whole host of reasons Happy to go into. But i just want to make sure i take a moment to breathe. Yeah i know. I think that's that's enough facts and For for the few listeners. Who haven't who don't have some giggles. She very so. Let's talk about Polyester versus lifestyle. You recently shared with me. Something very interesting fact A single bulliest Can leach hundred and twenty million micro plastic fibers into our waterways every single here Kennedy about that. Because i know oregon plastic issues very important for our community. We have been sharing more and more facts as you said announced social about micro-plastics there so many micro-plastics unfortunately the lord of brought surrounding us in especially when we were told about sheets Where we sleeping eight. What age. Dan whatever hours every single day something that touches our skin. That's a big problem. So can you tell us the difference between a lesser last ellum that front absolutely so so just on the front to talk about So so vile celicas has no. There's plastic in. There's no petroleum and there's not. There's no petrochemicals Maybe a closed loop process where the wood is processed into a fiber using nontoxic solvent called the monoxide and then that taught. That solvent is actually recaptured. Reused nearly one hundred percent. I think it's like ninety nine and a half percent For the next batch of production. So it's a really really wonderful closed loop system Where have wooden fiber out And fiber ends up being spun into a very. They're very soft very smooth delicate yarn And that becomes sheets with Polyester its petrochemicals. So it's made from petroleum and that those products. I think we're all becoming very aware of the one of the major problem. The is in fact they never biodegrade and it never go away in there with us forever. aside from off gassing aside from You know a few other different problems polyester they also leach micro plastic fibers like crazy into our environments and. I was reading research lately. That i shared with you Ahead of time because it was something so interesting to me. In terms of some of the latest resources coming out in terms of just how much these fabrics are leaking off in terms of micro-plastics. So whenever you wash a polyester sheet set based on assuming about five pounds average she'd said even give or take that a pound or two and direction. If you want to be more precise with exactly what yours are But that will if you wash that. Once per month each wash it will leach up to nine or ten million migra classic fibers into the waterways. And if you wash it once a month which the average american washes their sheet once a month actually for women. It's twenty three days for men and twenty nine days. But if you wash she's once a month That's upwards of one hundred million or more micro plastic fibers that are being released as your waterways every year from just one polyester sheet said. And so you know with the tests that we sold last year. We estimate that we've prevented the last twelve months upwards of three trillion microcosmic fibers from being released into waterways. And you know not yes. It's really it's really fun to to do. Some of these numbers right grow grotesque numbers. Yeah exactly. I mean we you know we. We plant a tree for every order and we see tens of thousands of trees planted and we can add up the gallons of water and turn it into you know You know millions of years of human drinking water and and the calculation looks like and You know it's just so much fun to be able to kind of put these together and info graphic which we're gonna share on earth day this year but in any case It yeah micro-plastics are are. I think i actually so funny timing wise last night John oliver came out with a great piece on plastics and our environment. and apparently the new the new statistic. And it's you know it's a statistic from from john oliver show so may or may not be one hundred percent accurate. Although is really sat really sound a lot of times. This designate shared his that. The average human is ingesting through the food that they eat in the water. They drink about a credit cards worth of micro-plastics every week which is insane. And that is something that i am going to have to share more broadly with with our audience and with on social and and with my own personal audience and It's making me wanna buy various area. Danced water filter. My home i tell you that But any any case It polyester is just one of those things that i highly encourage people to not purchase any virgin polyester and that means newly treated polyester I see a lot of that and apparel brands. Really high end apparel brenston. It's really good for performance because it's so durable But the other the other thing that polyester mason so ubiquitous and actually accounts for almost two-thirds of home textiles. So when you go on amazon you search for queen sheets. It's all polyester the nineteen dollars sheets thirty dollars. She testified that is just polyester micro fiber until you run out of pages on amazon and it's because it costs i kid you not. It would cost us through our manufacturing countries that we have if we wanted to which we will not and will never three dollars per sheet set to make a set of polyester micro fiber sheet sets. And so yeah you can sell. You can sell them for twenty bucks and make a pretty handsome profit margin But you know think about that. In terms of when you see polyester apparel the square yardage difference between a sheet set in a t shirt is astounding and i see polyester shirts for some brands going for eighty bucks ninety bucks in blows my mind so at the very least make sure polyester that you're buying is recycled that it's actually doing something productive with plastic waste and if you can't avoid it You know please. I would say you're not by any version polyester in a newly polyester. Yeah no that's. That's very interesting facts and i want. I will release the john oliver episode. I love bloom was a terrible way to start my morning but i watched it anyway. So yeah so last question in terms of making decisions on bedding for your own home in your own life. So what are some other kind of certifications. You've mentioned interesting. Why may be mentioned a few more. I know you guys have bunch of certification on their website. What osama certifications people built for one purchasing sheets comforters and stuff like that i mean i think some baseline ones would be like degan certification cruelty. Free certifications You know. I think that that those are fairly simple for most brands to get a lot of these certifications Some more pay to play. So i'd also it's hard for his stuff is so as terek consumers that's crazy. Some of these things cost tens of thousands of dollars. And so if you're if you're a small brand in you're starting out. I mean it's nearly impossible to get some sort of asians and it's it's fairly simple to get others so quick ones. I would look for would be vegan cruelty free I would look for okay. Otx certifications Okay otx it's o k. O teac certified That that's one that they sleep should be on every bedsheet that you buy. It needs its homeless. Bottom line is basic bottom lines. It's harmless without exception 'em they they have a new certification that we actually have for our fabric That's okay otx made in green. That's a really cool certification And the the main green certification Basically means that a it's been tested for harmful substances But then also manufacture using sustainable processes with socially responsible working conditions. That's very important. Tell a silly question. What is vegan and cruel to freeman in terms of production of sheets. I'm mike like other animals making them an animal. Animal animal labor animal parts were made in factories that also process You know animal products You know no no leather. There's a it it just basically mean bet. It's a you know that we don't use goose down filling in our comforters Things like things. Like that. And i think those that's just a basic one that i think Most people can get. Yeah got it on anything. Yeah yeah there's a we were recently. Usda by preferred certified. I think that's a great one. Lloyd certainly End of life. It basically certifies materials plant based on and will will break down overtime without a trace And then there are other other sort of asians that we have and and that will be seeking You know obviously you can look for the organic certification although that has a lot to do with soil polity how animals are treated There's there's a bunch of things that going to the us sort of -cation and You know there's of course fair trade certified and other things that i would look for products and really. I think it's mostly about what's relevant to the industry into the product. And i think that a good company can explain the certifications they'd have in. Why in a very concise way in order to give a consumer confidence Y'know that super important because yet there's so many different certifications but the if you die. That's the thing that bothers you. The certification nowadays is that it's becoming a little bit to monetize And we reached out a lot from a bunch of different governing body saying. Would you like certification this. Would you like a certification this and we have to meet about every couple of weeks and say which ones do. We wanna pursue. Which ones do we not because they all have a price tag associated with them on as well as a time and energy and resources tag in terms of the team working on getting these certifications and so you know it's it can be a little frustrating. I like the big ones in terms of What's in the product. How's it made and is it. is it Good for me to sleep on. Harmless exception makes sense so last question of our discussion. We know your bedroom is already as ego friendly as gets of course. I always like to ask stella's a few more may be equal friend. Latif something may be habits or things that you've changed in your life To leave more sustainably. While i will cheese one thing. My bedroom is not as sustainable as could be because my mattress is not yet a she giggles mattress but that will be coming out before long. So i'm just gonna yes. Yeah it's gonna be great. It's i've got the prototype in my not my bedroom i prototype in my living room right now and i'm i'm moving from an apartment. Two of my actually just bought my first home so finally have a guest room. And so i will have the. She goes mattress and other mattress Setup as of next week. And it's right off the presence we've been working on it for a couple of months and I'm very excited To get these production before long. But that's nolte's we're also gonna be coming out with a sustainable Standard made and reclaim bedframes Coming out with sustainable mattress toppers matches protect yours. That's actually the trick about mattress. Protect your is that i think is really tough is it's really hard to make a good protector without use of a plastic sheeting or polyester And so we're gonna coming out with one of the only mattress protectors that is completely plastic. Free And paulie free And then we're all becoming out with pillows as well before long that when super tricky for me because i actually personally have a herniated c four c five and i'm really really careful about what hello i would ever recommend to a large audience and so when. Smg does come out with our pillows. You can be rest assured no pun intended about that all tested extensively myself but in terms of other That was just product. Add exist yet but in terms of like the the tips and the tricks For my home living I try to shy away from giving people personal advice. Because i'm again. I'm an imperfect person my my girlfriend is actually A regenerative real estate agent and athens. Something that's on my mind lately for my new home that i'm moving into something that's not really available for apartment. Living is being able to choose my own. paints my own floorboards. might mike My cabinets my water tank. And doing it you know a non a non tank water year right And there's so many different things that you know over getting solar panels put in on the house and There's so many things that are that are. I am thinking about a lot lately. Unattainable the people that that don't have a home home of their own. That's really frustrating. And and so But in terms of that type of regenerative living in sustainable living I try to my best. And i try to avoid polyester as much as possible and both my apparel and my betting. Obviously i tried to use things instead of new things. I you know if you walk into a thrift store there is. There are more things that human beings have created than we will ever need And so i. I buy all my glassware. Thrift stores I buy you know most of my a dishes and utensils and other things like that from from their stores And then you know just in terms of Making sure that you're choosing paints that aren't off gassing making sure that you're choosing You know things in your life. That logo see And these are the things that i've been thinking a little bit more about lately because as a first time homeowner But a couple of things. Yeah no that's super helpful and Yeah so so. Many decisions we just making now everyday life at tiny decisions they do all at and the it. Okay well thank you so much going. It's been a really fun to violent. Have you on the broadcast and learning more. How you guys do things how you make decisions and at in that line for you in terms of products. Exciting thank you. I appreciate you letting me talk about us. And g and and you know for anyone interested in sheets and giggles You can go on bright lease page. I'm sure we've got a poster to up with you guys and If they need to find me. I'm calling cheats sheets dot com really easy to find out. You awesome. thank you i. Thanks for joining us on another episode of good together as always you can get shown and explore lots more content related to all things ecofriendly leaving by checking out brightly that egos slash podcast and don't forget to join in on the conversation that's happening on our facebook group simply search good together ethical shopping in. It'll come up. You can also leave a question through voicemail ba- link zahn brightly dot echo slash podcast if you're into social media gave us a follow on instagram facebook and all the channels are username is brightly that echo finally we want to leave you with a reminder every day is a chance for you to create change and you're already covered for today since you joined us here on the podcast. Stay kind in live brady.
What is your sleep style?
"Did you know that you can make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership. If you haven't heard about anchor. It is the easiest way to make a podcast and best of all, there's absolutely no charge to do so. They have creation tools that allow you to record an editor podcast right from your phone or computer. And anchor will distribute your podcast for you. So you can be heard all over the place on apple podcasts, spotify Google podcast, and more. It is definitely everything that you need to make a podcast. In one place one stop shop. Make sure that you download that free anchor APP or go to anger DOT FM. To get started. and. You are tuned in to a female hosted podcast values you. And your time. Each week I will deliver short and sweet perspectives with no sidekick. So please sit back. Put your feet up. And allow me to bring you. His point of view. Welcome to his point of view I am your host Istria. And today, we'll be talking about your sleep style. What is your asleep style? How do you sleep at night? Are. You aside sleeper Or? Do you lie flat on your back. There is such as body language in bed and I did research looking up. Reader's Digest. Dot Com and better sleep dot org. The first type of sleepers fetal position sleepers. That is. Me It's the most common. Sleep position. Twice as many women. Sleep like this then men. It says that we tend to be sensitive, but we have a tough exterior. We feel the need to be protected. It says that we are personable although we are shy at first. And it also implies that we are introverted. So does this apply to you? Further those who sleep. On their side with their arms stretched out, they call that the urine her position. It says that you are open. You are not as gullible. It also says you can be complicated. But Open. Minded. and. Once you have your mind made up, you stick to it. Next for those sized present Li- like log with your arms at your sides it says that you. Are Social. And Easygoing Your popular. But you are gullible. Is. This you. Research shows that it's safer to sleep on your right side because it's better for your heart. And that's the site that I. Try and sleep on. So I guess I'm good. For those of you sleep on your back. It says I says that you tend to be in the twenty five or thirty, four year age range. It says that you tend to wake up refreshed. It says that you are snores. And you tend to be a positive person with a strong personality. Some of US soldiers sleepers it says it's your quiet. Strict. And have high standards. Nonni back sleepers. For those of you who sleep on your stomach. First of all, it says it isn't for you those of you with large breasts or pregnant found. It's not recommended. It sends that you tend to be heavy drinkers. You might work in agriculture. You tend to be between the ages of forty five to fifty four. And you don't like surprises. I know a couple of people like that. Just based on those characteristics need to ask them if they sleep on their stomachs. then. You have the starfish those who sleep starfish it says you are selfless. And Good Listeners And then of course got those who sleep in different positions, it says that you have a multifaceted. Personality. And you tend to work. In a job with. And Utilities. Interesting. Which? Type of sleeper? Are you? Feel free to let me know. In the comments. You have been tuning in to dress point of view. I can be heard on pod breathe network. Good. PODS. Top black podcast. Google podcasts. Apple podcasts. Anchor. Breaker. spreaker. And more. Feel free to leave me a comment on my website www dot trai his point of view. DOT, com. Or on social media. I'm. On facebook and I G. His point of view as well as twitter. dray appoint. It's been my pleasure bringing you. A part of me. And I hope. That you remain. To be a listener. Until next time. Take care.
December 14, 2019: The Sweet Dew Incident
"The today is Saturday. December fourteenth two thousand nineteen on this day in eight thirty five. I've seen e a plot hatched by China's Emperor Wenzong and his cronies to kill the court eunuchs backfired instead dead the UNIX used their own army to slaughter more than one thousand government officials and their families. You're welcome to day in true crime. PODCAST original due to the graphic nature of today's crimes listener listener discretion is advised extreme. Caution is advised for listeners under thirteen today. We're discussing the sweet dew incident one one of the bloodiest episodes in Chinese history. Now let's go back to the morning of December fourteenth eight thirty five Z.. E. A little after eight. Am Twenty six year old emperor Wenzong called the imperial meeting to order before him stood collection of generals officials and court eunuchs the the usual audience Wenzong. ID UNIX carefully. He'd spent the summer trying to figure out how to dismantle their power UNIX UNIX had their uses but they weren't to be trusted they were too wealthy too manipulative to skilled at bribery and gossip gossip and secrets. It was time to teach them all own lesson. Wenzong I'd one of them carefully. You choose chalet on this one. He'd made the leader of an army over the summer to help quell rebellions outside the capitol. Now now when song regretted this so he'd hatched a plot to ambush the UNIX and kill them along with Chancellor Lee Hsien and General Chung-shu in a few days time they would gather the UNIX together in one place and set an army of soldiers cheers upon them. It was an ingenious plan and certain to succeed but now General Han Year of the left. Tsinghua Tsinghua Army rushed into the hall. He spoke bowing. Forgive me for the interruption emperor but it seems is that last night sweet. Do fell on a pomegranate tree outside the left Chin. Woo headquarters the appearance of sweet. Do do was an auspicious omen. It meant that an emperor had received divine favor. A strange coincidence Wenzong thought. Could it have something to do with their plot. He said we must all go. Observe this sweet. Do for ourselves Lee should you. You will go first. They all proceeded to Han you on hall and to the Pomegranate Trees. Choose choose shila walked behind with the rest of the UNIX as an army commander. He tried to look more authoritative but he was cursed with the bird like gate of a eunuch toes out short steps and a slight lean forward. It was as if his body remembered the wound made so long ago. Chew followed the Imperial Procession into Han Yuan Hall Chancellor colletion left with his men to investigate the do on. The trees shoot. Didn't trust Lieshan. He'd gotten too close to the emperor too soon. He had a feeling he was dangerous. Leash in returned saying that the sweet do did not seem seem real Emperor Wenzong responded by asking chew and the UNIX to go investigate the do next shoe shoe and the UNIX walked out of Han. UN Hall and into the Xinhua WHO Headquarters Han new waited in the dim light. It was cold in here. There were no walls only long illustrated screens Han. You looked Pale and sweaty nervous. But what could he be nervous about shoe was about to ask when a gust of wind blew up up a screen. Choose blood froze. They're just a few hundred yards away. Stood a group of soldiers. There's swords drawn waiting. It seemed to kill them to and the UNIX turned and Ran Guard started to close the gates to prevent their exit but at the sound of choose voice they froze allowing the UNIX to run Tuhan. UN Hall all their the UNIX placed the emperor on the litter then they began to run with it back to the palace. Lieshan tried need to stop them pleading with the emperor not to leave but a eunuch beat Li Shun until he let go. Meanwhile the guards had run into Han. UN Hall and were starting to attack the UNIX. At least ten were killed but chew and and the rest of the UNIX escaped back at the palace chew qat his breath as he looked at the emperor trembling alling and shaking to realize something. The emperor wasn't frightened of those soldiers who had seen amassed outside. He was frightened of to those soldiers had been meant to kill the UNIX and the emperor was in on it shoe who knew instantly who was truly responsible for all of this Chancellor Li should he called his army to order the directive was simple hunt down leash should find him and kill him and kill anyone else. who was his ally friend or follower? It would be a bloodbath of epic proportions. And when it was over nobody Eddie would ever try to ambush the UNIX again up next UNIX conduct a slaughter so oh brutal that it ended a dynasty today in. True crime is supported by better ed or help online counseling people often portray their happiest self to others. Whether it's at work or on social media we often make it appear that we have everything figured out but a lot of times. We don't I know that I don't and if you're like me it's not always easy to ask for help and find counseling. This this is where better help can help you. Better help offers. Licensed counselors who specialize in a variety of issues including depression and anxiety as well as trauma anger family relationships and so many others. And if finding a counselor that lives close to you has been an issue better help allows you to connect privately Lee with your counselor through text chat phone and video calls. You can get help at your own pace and on your own time and best of all you can get help help. An affordable rate today in true crime listeners will get ten percent off their first month with Discount Code today in true crime. That's better so help dot com slash today in true crime. Why not get help better help dot com slash today in true crime now back to the story on December fourteenth eight thirty five C e Tong Dynasty? Chancellor Li should assembled his own army to ambush and kill all of the court eunuchs but his plot plot was foiled. When a gust of wind blew up a screen the UNIX saw the waiting soldiers? They were able to escape before they could be attacked. Hacked taking the emperor with them. They thought it was an assassination attempt. When Eunuch General Chu realized that the EUNUCHS UNIX had been the planned target not the emperor? He wasted no time he ordered the Eunuch led army to go on a rampage. Anyone connected to Chancellor Lee Shin would be killed. Soldiers streamed into government offices and took over the streets of the capital with orders to kill any officials onsite terrified. Civilians tried to flee only to find the gates is to the city closed. The soldiers were only too eager to fulfill their duty when the day was done over. One in two thousand people had been slaughtered including women and children the sweet dew incident. It was the combination of long brewing tensions in the Tong Dynasty during its first two centuries the Tong era produced important advances in art art poetry and printing. But by eight hundred ce this era of peace and prosperity was tarnished by rebellions warring factions of officials and the secret plotting of UNIX UNIX may not have been considered actual people in ancient China But they lead. Privileged lives some worked as gardeners water carriers or watch men while others cleaned the palace and cooked the food. Their lack of sex organs made them safe. They could be around the emperor's wives and concubines with no worried they'd produce use an air living inside the Forbidden City. They enjoyed unheard of power and access. Anyone who wanted to get to the emperor or had to go through a eunuch which meant a eunuch could charge a handsome price. Some UNIX made so much money from bribes the they could buy property of their own near the palace some even adopted children they also had power over the rulers themselves they could easily manipulate an emperor by keeping him misinformed or distracted all while assuming increasing influence fluence of their own. By eight hundred CE uprisings outside of the capitol and instability. Inside the court itself convinced convinced leaders to put UNIX in charge of their own armies. This finally tipped the scales now the UNIX. I had become as powerful as the emperor's maybe even more so given this context it's not surprising. prizing that Emperor Wenzong wanted to make a dramatic move to curb the UNIX power. What he didn't expect was that his plan would go so old horribly wrong after the first day of the slaughter when more than one thousand people died? Chaos and killing continued canoed for weeks Emperor Wenzong was forced to label Li Shun a traitor an issue an edict calling for his and the other plotters. This capture on December seventeenth three days after the start of the killing. The seven closest associates of Li Shen were paraded a-rated into the main square of the capital by now leash in had been captured and beheaded. A soldier was waving lesions head on a spike after being presented at ancestral shrines. Like animals to be sacrificed. The six six men met their fate a swift blow to the waste slicing them in half followed by decapitation tation. Their heads were hung on a gate outside the city the UNIX remained in power for several decades but by by eight sixty ce the countryside was besieged by robbers and bandits by nine seven C. E. B. Empire was is crumbling. The Tong Dynasty which had started with so much peace and culture ended in violence and instability. Thanks for listening today and true crime. I'm Vanessa Richardson today. A day in true crime is a podcast original. You can find more episodes of today and true crime and all other podcast originals for free on spotify. Not only to spotify already. Have all of your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals like today and true crime for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream today in true crime on spotify. Just open the APP and type today in true crime in the search bar at podcast. We're grateful for you our listeners you allow us to do we love. 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Is social media killing your identity?
"Makes you happy. It just depends on so thank god. They don't bigger and could do well to conduct the episode of the podcast. I'm so happy to have you back in just like always. Your presence is laughing to this podcast. Because you're what makes us special annually for me and britain's podcast so let's get started something that needs to be discarded on something. Let's see frieden line Talking about so far. Also just a kramer this going to be a sensitive wrong for a lot of view and trust me. It's okay if you don't agree with me. It's okay if Sit twelve with you all in asking to do is to infect to hear out by perspective into see if it's walk Satisfy you can dismiss it if you want. You can keep it if you want so. Let's get started In the last episode we talked about imposter syndrome and imposter syndrome is the ceiling. Get everything that we are fraud and they don't fit eighteen among the people that were around this nagging feeling dan. We're going to be caught one day for all play or the facade that you put on for so long and honor. Competitions are just a fake. Our accomplishments are not chew. So this feeling that we get is called pasha syndrome. Now wait a talking about something. That's related to probably read the title of this episode. So you know what i'm talking ma. It's social media. So of course on fox are very active on media. Most at least me know what it is. So unless live on iraq you know what social media has. It is all those things that keep you connected with people online so simplified Received as something that keeps us connected to a human beings to digital platforms because of course code with everything else. It's been hard to find collectively. It's been hard to you. Know not feeling Lonely and to have someone else's viewpoints right on a touch of handwrite on the tip of for fingers during so it's those benefits associated with really enjoy because we're able to connect with people were able to share joy or sadness or share. Whatever the other person's fearing just with a picture to their staffs just through so many other colorful paying social media puts across our screen for us to see and uneventful agreement of it because it has dropped in a lot of good things in our life. I mean it happened impossible for me to talk to my friends during kobe. If it weren't for let's face worn for need to see their instagram's and see what they're doing in to be able to see how they're enjoying for what they're doing with their time. The home the quarantine so things like that has been very helpful in terms of staying connected with people normally would have fallen out of touch just because of being a toddler connectivity. Where do we stop in. Right is very we. Draw the line very known that it's starting to impact us in a negative and first of all. What is that negative alien. How does it take to the level where it completely butchers are self esteem or self confidence and in a way causes an identity crisis so first of all the thing that social media does for australia presents a part of the picture of other people's lives. I mean just being on you're able to see what other people are doing and how they're enjoying life. Let's say you see you open instagram. You see a story from a friend who went out on a saturday night. Their friends and they were partying or anything like that. I mean kuwait could say they were at home. Having a good time with the family posted a snatch our like a picture of their moment there will smiling little. Kathy got a good time cooking. Because it's a saturday night at home so things like that now. That pictures was think about it. Do you think this is what they were doing. The holiday and i you're gonna say no very prompt and you're going to say that you know of course like i know that social media has pictures and as part of the day to day but hear me out while they see on social media is what people want us to say rates overseeing is image of. What's being put out for us to say so like a good metaphor for Tip of the iceberg. What we're seeing is just what they're doing on the outskirts. You never know what happened in that kitchen. You never know if that person is not settled with them or not. I mean good for them. They are unhappy. Mud saying run has disabled relationships with their mothers one. I'm trying to say is that there's so much that goes on in the background that we don't know about and just by the outer image of things we tend to judge upon it tend to Become sure overseeing so. Li li compare others outskirts with our internal. So we compare others externals with our internal than this fits right into the ideal social media. Because we're able to see how happened. Someone looks how much they're enjoying their time. But we don't know what's going on in the inside and this has the ability to completely completely. Take down our confidence our self esteem or walgreens during the our lives in just being able to see that or this person of enjoying this night with the mom i might become sad. The why do i not have that close relation. My mom used to cook with her. Make cookies with our little. That's not true. I'm not baking cookies in her. There are other ways express than we do a lot of other things. So maybe maybe we need to start drawing lines for what we see on. Social media does not become internalized into who we are or. It's it's not a race trying to run. I know it can be hard because the are it's very easiest cape from our reality. Sometimes you don't feel like we don't. We're at work gorgeous simply procrastinating. It's easy to just open up your lock screen to perform and pop up any of the social media apps and than there used tooling start seeing videos up. Bq happy because first of all. That's what the algorithm the algorithm is supposed to the algorithm and social media. Supposed to show you the things that make you happy. Let's say all the things that you're interested in like i have kurdi hair And i used to be very into looking at like the girls here and see how they keep up with the her. Or what did you do to manage it. And they learnt it of course right like. That's all the people on the Out there doing the building of algorithm very strong so that the able to engaged. Now i i would start schooling. starts all these gorgeous with perfectly pretty cardi hair and my initial motivation for looking at apple's just to learn how to how to keep the her credit cards like some sort of curbing training some sort of shampoo. What is it rate. But then slowly turned into me comparing right here with their hair. And that transitioned into me comparing my puberty or our local physical appearance with someone else's call appearance Good as at look as good as they do and before unit it took down as confidence that in field pity anymore. I feel like doing anything with her anymore. Because it just felt like thank like. That's never going to be as good as the person as i was spending hundreds of hundreds of bucks on of these women had and i was trying to follow the advice and a made me even more sad knowing that i'm not able to you know not able to get what i'm trying to get even after falling the steps that someone else did so. This is a very smart example. How social media can slowly creep in your mind. Interprets -nology indefinitely cause a identity crisis. I say that's one side of the social novi comparing in room making ourselves sad about it and we don't even realize because it just seems like on games it's going to be on inch number five minutes taking rake but if the compounding effect it all starts to add up slowly school starts to boot up. I mean seeing one girl one day and then seeing another girl on social media the other day in an starts to boot up everyone out there look so good. Why am i not able to do that or that. Save the food right. Like i would john in scum law flew by the way and i would like double tap Picture off this chocolate cake this one time and slowly. I started listening more chock as on feed more cakes more food or junk food and then of course it so coflin pretty. You know what i'm talking about. It looks so delicious like messy. It would be guard. His they have create hair occurred here and food. So you drew me. Tell what obama priorities lied. And i was willing to my seat in would be liking pose after post food and then I'm also into how the eating on someone who's trapped tries to stay fit so what happened was slowly. I started to feel that everyone on instagram. Where everyone on the social media app about so many people on it are having this deliciously gorgeous food in. They're enjoying their life because they look perfectly fit in beautiful and the food looks so good why why denied myself of this food wine. Not having the stuff that everyone else's enjoying or women not having a chocolate cake simply and that kind of destroyed relationship with food slowly because I started having all those things started having things that weren't good for my body and i'm not saying chocolate cake is bad or any kind of food that are classified as bad but i knew that did not sit while the my stomach and the only reason why i started to have it was because Since everyone else is having it should be good at it is normal and deserve it as well so it took away my personal definitional good or bad for me and i had this definition from society that it made me take on so not destroy relationship. made me overeat at times. It made me eat food. That was not good for my body and it had a direct impact on energy levels. On how i started feeling about myself because of course adding unhealthy food took down my confidence level and things like that they add up. They make the change. We are in south aways and you don't even realize it. So this is one aspect of social media. Ri- bill up our identity. It makes do things that we normally wouldn't have done puts thoughts in our heads. Do not related have would have not had right the other aspect of it is if you open up your social media account if you look at what post your posting may see. What kind of image are you creating argue. That person argue do the people around who really truly know. How would you feel if your mom. So handsome young shields. That's not you. I'm i'm shocked. That doesn't look like it made for some at least through. We have these pictures of ourselves. We re looking nancy happy or joyful. We have like the league. Amazing ramic on social media was a great lives and when we talked like appearance or a core people who know us really well even on our insights. I think we can keep our hand on her out and say. That's that's what truly who i am or that's not that does not represent even one percent of who i am so imagine if someone else landed upon your social media maybe you're putting out an image for them as well to see that makes them question there southward and we get stuck in this infinite loop rear out being others one percents representational social media in It's making us question. Ourself work and you're putting out this picture of herself as one percent of who we are and relenting make someone else question their for now. I'm not saying your intention or someone else's intention is bad because all of us do it out of you know. We want a few good luna show that we got something good if he is nice to show will be happy with the word but oftentimes all it does is it feeds are eagle and either That it destroys our dogs on the insides Destroys others because it drops us of the tent city robs us off our image because we try to be known for someone else for the world to see. We're not meant for eight thousand people to look at our locators and judges who we are and then you have to keep up this facade to impress people so definitely if if you're able to see what i'm getting at social media. Ads impartial syndrome. Because when we started feel that we don't belong everyone out. there is having a good night. Good time saturday night. But i'm out here at home. You're and suddenly i feel like a misfit salting all these things add up into making us or software at times and i might only ask here i don't have any kind of action steps Only as for you is boomer. Mindful social media. Try to see what it's doing to try to see what you're seeing on your feed Ready to come from because let's say the food it can't maybe one day. I crave chocolate cake. That started this whole impact off feeding the food. So what started that State dot com on your social media. Why are you see what you're seeing wise. You feed food with things at us is sad. The thing you're lacking in your life becoming more mindful ass makes us question more. Things makes us things that we would have normally thought about and using social media carefully we can do wonders for us but if the use it if the social media uses us than you no one can save us. Because then we'll be used social media the victims office and not the other way round To use social media jim benefit. Do not let me to use you and this could be done in thousand as for me. I started limiting screen time for me. I started instagram Notifies if you have exceeded its own mount vanishes excellent. Because tell you. Hey you've been here for too long when you're minutes exit the app try to make those features because they are for your benefit now that is using socially to your benefit and do not completely cut it off. Because then you might have a Wanna go rushing back to it and it talked to completely cut out things like that. So maybe baby steps and start noticing. What it's jane to you and what the impact is an thank you so much for listening. I hope this helps. Oughta hope. I hope social media is used to your benefit and not the other and have a great day. I am so happy that you spend time with. I'm super grateful for the person you are your unique and just remember that i.
562: Arrow S7E20 Review: "Confessions"
"Welcome back to the speedy. Aero cast. I'm Rick Ojos, Dan, Morin, and I am joined by my co hosts in separate interrogation rooms, John Moulton is here. Did you do it? John molds, Dan. I just want you to know because I don't know if everybody who reads, this podcast knows. But I'm incredible park were. I did know that actually. Also here guy English. Stop lines me guy. Tell me the whole story. Well, you know what I look at my friend John Moulton. I just think we have to protect him. I like hearing that. Himself. Mainly we are, of course, year to talk about ERO season. Seven episode twenty entitled confessions which is a pretty good title for this episode since there are many confessions in this episode. Some of them real false. And I believe that guy has chosen to do the recap of this interesting and different episode. I have, and I think just lied to you guys. John before the show, we were saying that this would benefit from, like a thirty mile view. And I guess, sure I got I got little notes, and I did it. We're counting six hundred and eighty five words, so many not as bad as usual, but still not that six hundred drive. See if that's more or less than a number of words in my notes. I have more than that. But that's because. Right, right. Like sentences. And then just that's it. Yeah. Full anyway. Whatever who cares? Nobody gives out this. So everyone cares for you know what, what's really making me hot turn onto the speedy IRA is, how do they take those notes? Anyway. So we opened on a crime scene with two dead guards Ollie, Ollie, and the team were on sight in a separate colored flashback. The gang is discussing how to get the lost chemical weapons bag digging Ali, visit this guy, Mr. Toft at aerodyne industries, he does not seem to want to help at all. So Felicity hacks into this is accounted in interviews and stuff. But basically, the floor vents. Turns out in the fastback Felicity has hacked into toss accounts and determined that he was on the take from the ninth circle. And it turns out somebody else was on the scene. Not just all the team, and it turns out that somebody was a boy, boy, which is awesome. Yeah. You worry park or boy? So, Dan, what's actual name pourquoi? Yeah. Only gets to call them that though. Weird. Do you know what I almost started bidding on that? And I'm like you know what? Just leave that. Dining wants to know where it was after he went missing, and what he was up to but know there's all these cancers, because he was traveling the world thea has it back in the flashbacks, turn the worry tells Ali, that has finally passion which from the sound of it sounds like killing ninjas. Is your passion and destroying Lazarus pits? But whatever it's better, the dating Alex. Moving up in the world. If you're gonna live your best life, it's not going to be with Alex. Voy does. So they've got to infiltrate dine industries to get some McGovern. And so does our court and it is pretty awesome. And then he doesn't even more awesome thing where we flips so down and does a like an arrow trick shot. And then slips through the spinning fan that he just got through and it's a big fight fight fight with a three guys in hoods. In the control room Felicity lies at she didn't see any guards, but she had and leaves to go check things out and saying, we can't just leave them there. She claims not to know where was when the guards were killed. This is all happening in the interview room in SAP boy, getting into by the cops, just like the good old days. And he says he was attacked by ninth circle hoods and in another big fight fight fight. He beats up a bunch of them doing some awesome Perko were fighting. But gets knocked up. During his interview, Diggle says was unconscious when he found him on the floor. They notice that he has blood on his sleeve, and that's not a good sign that people interviewing him I should say Dina and our our biff for this season. I think the hardest, the hardest working constable patrol sergeant being Li things is, is real bad, man. This guy's on the case this it's true. Sensory biff things Li Google that invited out that it's like some classic VC character should too. Pretty good. Anyway. Diggle claims it Vinnie split offer him when he saw it and make it run for it when he chased after her Diggle went to went and found boy, Dan he heard gunshots. Ring out Diggle investigated to find t- dead. Guards Diggle, then looks up sees Renee standing over the bodies holding pipe when be cut to being interviewed, and the cops want to know whether MRs, where his missing glove is that's seems to go nowhere. But whenever in a flashback. Ali checks on venite to make sure he's okay before they go off on this mission that the where things went south on saying that hit become close Emiko kind of a good talk. But basically just setting them up as they both care about Emiko, but. Vinnie has it Real Sociedad on Ali at this point things that she's just like a liar? Wants to be wary of her. As version of the story on interview is that he went after Emiko, and that he didn't catch up to her in reality did, and she holds them at our point, he tries to turn her onto the light sort of the force and she admits the cheap Mr. being the, the lead of the night circle and tells her your mother wouldn't hate what you've become. So she grazes him with an arrow and takes off. Then finds Oliver on the platform over the two dead bodies holding a pipe. Ali says not a smoking pipe smoking. Yeah. Like all the in the conservatory with the lead pipe. Vigilante pipe pretty much that kind of play. If you beat somebody over the head with the pipe. Where did they get that pipe from anyway? Whatever. Pipes dummy. Anyway. On his interview, Oliver says that he book into the ventilation room did a fight fight fight, then he disarmed, the device hurt the shots and then upon arriving on the scene. He says he found his sister Emiko had killed the two guards. We don't see him see that. Back in the in the cave through all having little book club and diner rise. And it is revealed that it has all been a scam. They'd lied and that got away with it because of being xlii as all biff ever turns out to have had the right idea to stymied by superiors. The real story. So now we get to see the whole thing, sort of thing from beginning to end. Dinah is with the team as they go into the subway station, all Ian Dina gets the ventilation moon, voice fights the hoods in the corridor as we saw earlier. But he gets knocked out for a second and then gets up and he goes into a full miracle ridge when the transit officers tried to stop him, he attacks and beats them to death with a pipe that he found on the ground because it's clue. It is clue. Yeah. Mira cooter Rancho. Yeah. But that's what you're reading my notes in time. I have not. You make wrong. This is all in folding you may be surprised did not do an editing pass on this happened before exactly the team arise and ROY is a broken man. They stop from beating on the guy and he's sort of. Can wild-eyed and killed up in a ball. Which is where all he says, we have to protect them all also looking pretty shaken. And then. My nights. I was hoping to just roll into this one, but now you're gonna have to beat it. Oh, shoot that wasn't. Sorry. Shoots turns that wasn't Mira Q. How did that? How did you die is what all he has to ask voi-? I did not see that coming. I actually I got it right before like as right as they're talking about it. I got it. But he says, I think I know what it was. I think right. When he says, I think I yeah, right around the time of that. I think I got there just about the same time all he did. It must be something. I didn't really quite get it. But. I can't remember I think I think before he admits, I think I got it to. But because they were talking if they spent a lot of time talking about the laws, but that was a tip. But like it was it was right around the time. All he says, I, I know what it was like. Yeah. Me too. I did not. I really just thought it was quite then. But anyway, that's my note. Say, oh, shoot. So it turns out during a on the Lazarus ROY took an arrow which is ironic. He says then the're resurrected him in the lasers fit, and then destroyed it. They were trying to keep his, his murderous rage under control. But. Oops, I don't know. He said something about Mira q, who cares doesn't matter which machine. They find emiko's. Luckily, somehow they find although now in hindsight, I guess, it's a set of defined MacOS Hitler. And in what appears to be the dumbest thing dumdum all the his ever done. He tells ROY to come along, because they're a team they just killed innocent. I question that decision as well. All these like you're brother to me come along. And let's put you in another situation where you make people. When he's not being at Dickey's being dumped on. Anyway. All basically manages to confront Emiko, but she's in a glass booth which seems like an obvious. Gimme that I don't know why. Every other villain hasn't thought of that. I. Emiko tells Ali that she didn't warn their father about the bombs on the gambit when she had the chance then she blows all. Yup. Which have to say after all of these years is pretty good. Villain move Ali looks pretty much done for. He's got like a big heavy love on them. So there one one additional detail. He we also have the brief scene where Felicity. Thanks Dina for getting rid of the footage at the subway. Yeah. Right. She says that wasn't me and then Emiko reveals of course, she sent it to fifty fifty Li. Early. So they're going to be in trouble. Yes. They'll get me in trouble. Yeah, I miss that him. And it was actually pretty engaged in the episode vitamin there. Well. It'd be different than I thought exactly. And that's basically the end of the episode little bit of a cliffhanger or cliff follower, cliff cliff, basically, I'm pretty sure they'd just they blew up slabs it again. It's a real big hang. I, I thought this was a really interesting structure to an episode like having the intertwining stories it has like a usual suspects by two it, right. Like, I think that's kind of shooting, or like even the beginning like is Dina says, once he's brought in on the scene where the suspects or something. And so we each get filtered through each of their different perspectives, even though like the thing, that's sort of raised my eyebrows about it was like, why is tying to being so hard on them like this seems really out of character? But when you view it in retrospect, of course, as April, it makes perfect sense that she's trying to distance herself and provide credibility to their stories by grilling them. I think the one thing you really have to. Just get over it except I mean, more than recoup hit some people coming back from the dead. Is that these people kill people every day, like every every week, there's, like just dead bodies everywhere. So. It's a little weird. These guys are being leaving says that's all of it, right. Like you says you killed before, like a lot. But he doesn't mean last week, he means like prior to going jail. Yes. Which is true like you have to get over the conceit of the show, which is when they shoot people and stick them with arrows, they're actually okay or their ninjas in it doesn't matter. Yeah, they're not actual people. There. Yeah. I think that's a bit racist. Well, let me rephrase that they're henchman and they don't count. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. But so I, I really like this didn't go the way expected it to go. Just from the even from this coloring on the, the flashbacks thought was good. I. It was well-structured. It was interesting. It kept me engaged. I didn't see. While it sort of played out not alien to what I was expect any of the characters to do. I, I wasn't sure what was going to happen. And the, the big switch, which we already talked about. I really didn't see coming good on them the so in couple. Interesting things to me. One is the. The reviews where I had a couple of things. Minor le- spoiled for me in that I saw a headline like last night. That was like, I knew ROY was coming back because I had seen the announcement that, that he was going to appear in the present. And then I saw briefly just the the headline of a recap. And it's like Roy's back, and here's a crazy secret or something. And I was like, oh, all right. Well, he's got a crazy secret. There's limited I didn't immediately jumped to he died because, but I was pretty sure that they did a nice job because even though I was kinda convinced going into, like, okay, he must have done something. They deflected enough attention from him that I was willing to buy that, like he wasn't directly involved. And so it ended up being a nice sort of double twist. There I was actually pity showed that he had been the one to murder them. But because we saw him crack earlier this season. And I can't I thought it was just a mirror cuvee laps. And I took it to me that, that's why he's hiding out on the island the beginning, right? Yeah. No. I agree with that. Why did we see him in the flash forwards he flips out or something? Yes. Yeah. You say that I, I didn't think of it during the episode. But now you say I think you're right. Yeah, because it was never clear why he was on the island. Yes. Agreed. Right. Perfect sense agree. Yeah. The other thing I was going to compare it to this, because it was something we talked about totally off topic. A while back was the reminds me of an attempt at doing something like the nine episode in the pale moonlight, where it's a very questionable narrator and be you have our characters making a decision that is actually morally very questionable, right? Like there's a discussion briefly at the end like should we he's like I should turn myself in or something. And they're like, well, then we are going to have to rehash the whole our vigilance, these are bad from the city and we have, like an active threat running around that the are not gonna be able to deal with which is a very practical answer. But yeah, you just covered up your buddy murdering two. Totally in his people. That is not a very heroic thing to do. And it looks like it's backfired on. Yes. Exactly. Yeah. It does. It seems like they're all going to jail, which is. Because it should they should get them in trouble based on, like, yeah, I guess. Yeah. I mean, I guess so, you know, we, we've watched the show for so many years now and let them in let you know and. In order to root for the hero, you have to sort of decide that he can get away with a lot of stuff that I don't think in real life, we would want someone getting away with right. But I think that's the whole purpose of the first six months of the season of putting him in prison was trying to establish, like, there are real stakes now because we like you know, in this that we the shows ending, what if we know we're near the end of the season, all this stuff, we're taking the meta, you know out of it like it should have some level of fear to it. And we also know what happens in the future in that, like vigilantes are really looked down on. And I think we're starting to get to the point of realizing why that is. And huge props to Emiko for not saying that she was twenty steps ahead Develey? I also appreciate that. She's just really effective. She blew him up. She didn't both that much. She stuck with, like an emotional thing. And then just left the scene. Yeah. She doesn't she got she got lucky. Right. Because because the she didn't like they've brought ROY into this, and she just capitalized on it, right. Yeah. That's a great point. And we also haven't seen her. We really haven't seen her morally waffle, like everything, I think, in which that was the case was kind of for show earlier in the season, where we think she's, she all ear, like sort of getting along and breaking down barriers. I think we establish that basically all of that was kind of an act. Like I mean, I think she, I think she could have gone either way when she'd Esther dead for money to start her company. Oh, yeah. But that was well before the events of the season. Yes, yes, that was like the moral turning point, when she burns, the looney tunes plans for the boat think that's. The only thing that I think she is somewhat soft on is Rene. Because I think she could easily have killed him with that shot. Oh, yeah. And she doesn't, I think she very deliberately shoots wound him. I think she does have a soft spot for him. But that's not going to change her mind about, you know, her agenda. No, right. There's not an again. Yeah. Well, I don't think she's not morally wealth there, either no point. She wants to save him. She's like she doesn't want to kill him. She has she postures that he is in danger when he's not really. Yeah. Like she even says, I'm gonna kill you this time. But like it's never gonna happen. Yeah. Yeah. But she's never like she's not a character that we've at this point. I don't think that anybody would think there's any chance of redemption. Right. It's not like laurels situation where it's like, well maybe he'll come around. Right. Like I don't think so. I think wasn't Vince that she she's bad guy. She's convinced Malcolm Merlyn Slade, even slow back around Slade sleigh was different. Yeah. I mean sleep is crazy. And even Malcolm, actually, was that whole thing when he's trying to explain it to, to his son on the good guy. Tommy. When he's trying to explain it to. Tommy is basically a crisis of his own conscience. Right. Like he wants his son to understand go along with him, so that he could feel better about the course of action. He's taken. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So he's trying to convince himself even Malcolm does to have some sort of moral come because he goes back and forth, where he has his kids that he wants to protect and all that. Whereas Elliot, I just mean in the first season when he a big I mean after that. Yeah, but I think Emiko really has like she's just out for revenge. And that point you're totally right. She's a lot like Malcolm in season one. So, yeah, I, I thought that was an interesting conclusion in like like you said, like, John, she's just she's good. She's really good. She's really thought this through. Yeah. Yeah. You know, in thinking back, then it was like I was like, wait a minute, like this seems seems preposterous. How could she have set that whole thing, and then I realize, no, she didn't set the whole thing up. She only took advantage of leader. She grew after they screwed up right? I agree with guys Sussmuth a drink bringing ROY along the end makes zero sense. I don't understand why they don't leave him in the bunker with Felicity. Yeah. Because he's gonna lift up giant, welcome something. There's going to be some drink. He invites him along. And then we don't see any of the team right? They run off in different directions. But, like there's no there's no repercussions for him being invited long. So I imagine the next episode it's going to start. I feel like this is I can't count how many there were this season but I mean, I wanna see, like four where I was watching the episode. And I was thinking, oh, no. This is another one like this. I keep doing it where I think, oh, this is another classic aero episode which I'm not gonna like because it's too plug convenience ploughs, and some of it's still was blocking means but still. When the twist came I was like, okay now this. Okay. Now, this makes sense. Now, this is much better. Yeah. Home until, like three quarters of the way through the episode which is nice. It's nice. Yeah. Yeah. Did so good. So to your point, I did like the change of foam at, like the usual suspects kind of thing because at least that's mixing, it up a little. But you're right. I did feel like it was playing out more or less a standard arrow episode with an ice twist to the, the presentation. And then we got something pretty great out of it. So very happy. Yeah. Couple things. We'll do this. We'll do we'll do the, the ritual wanted to call out a couple of things that I liked in here. One I do. Enjoy ROY coming back down and meeting people in the bunker and Felicity like freaking out. And I think she and Emily records and called Hanes are like, really good friends. Like they haven't had I guess, they, they have a scene together in the flash, forwards, probably at some point. But still, it was very acute moment that, I liked the comment about ROY being incredible Parker which feels like a thing that, everybody, I mean, that was the thing I started reading in one of the reviews might have been on the av club or something. They talked about ROY Parker wearing all the time, and I kind of feel like that was a, a writers, reading those reviews moment and just be like, yeah, let's just like let's throw it out there to say it. Getting to which the fight fights great, but take you voice. Yep. Yeah. Was good. All these in the room with the bomb was pretty solid and within without Dina, the guy with the crazy shock staff that was kind of by the way, you've stumbled upon our sponsor. Oh. I said lecture Steph. Electric's ten percent off electric staff. Yeah, it's, it's a big Longstaff with spoke bits at the end and it's used by bad guys. We all we all get one for free. We did we did from battle droids on separatists who's using cluding general from cells. Share? And now it's available to wash outs from the league of essence. So if you order now thrown about it is, it's really great for jump starting your Spartan helmet. Got a heads up helmet. That works. I really liked all of verse thing at the end where even though misguided as it might be when Oliver tells ROY that they've covered for him. And ROY says you didn't you didn't have to do that, or didn't ask you to do that. You Oliver says you never have to ask me ever. Like I really liked to that. And I liked Stephen mel's delivery and performance on that line because I thought really sold it for me, like he knows everything that he owes ROY, even if ROY has not been on the team for a long time, broil went to prison and faked his death for all of really like that history is all encapsulated in that one exchange. And I thought that was a really really nicely done. I kind of even like the way as like he's on the team. And. In the old school. They would have been like just going to shoot an arrow and your leg. A new school Elliot's like a little bit more politics. No, he's always on the team, but that's it. It's end of discussion. But I really love that ended hearken back to me for to some of the more tender moment them, one or two kind of thing. Yeah. We're all he was basically just at dick all the time. But when it you know. Every now and then he would say something kind to either the or Tommy, or even even what's his name. At times. True. Yeah. Like like oh, yeah. After he shoots lawyer in the leg, and he goes to be moves it in his at the mansion and goes and takes the arrow out and fixes them up, and he says, look stay away from him. It's bad news. He's always had been. He's always tried to take care of him in kind of way and I this fit into that relationship in a great way that I felt satisfied with. Yeah, I if anything, my only disppointment with ROY has been, this is the only time we get to interacting in the present. If. Yeah. I think I think he'll, I think given that we're, I think the next episode basically picks up where this leaves off, it seems like called the Hanes at least six around for that, but we'll have to see what happens after that. One more thing that I liked about this was that the previous to have been sort of character like big character episodes. We had the Canaries in that we had Diggle underneath the Diggle intern show, this one, I did not know was going to be about Louis. Yeah. And I loved it. It's, it's nice to because you also get the feeling. I don't know what the situation is. There's a lot of questions hovering around next season, and how that's gonna work with a shorter episode count. And with Felicity leaving among other things, I think it's nice to bring back some characters so you can kind of put a bow on their stories, which I think is what's happening between this and the fast forwards for ROY, so that's that is a nice move to because it's not it's not quite a character study ROY but he does get a lot of moments here. I mean overall, I think it is really nice team episode as well, just because we get to go through all of their different stories and stuff like that. So a lot of good moments for the team. But yeah, it's, it's nice to sort of sort of tie up where ROY is going from here. I think. Yeah, and just to the fighting again voi-, engages two of these two guys wrapping himself around one guy's neck and grab any other guy forming like a some kind of like like the number pie. Shape. That was awesome. I loved it also. That's typically the kind of move. Like a woman fighter do. And it just loves it. It's called Stonehenge. Yeah. Exactly. Thank you. Once I got letter the number pi in my head, I couldn't get stone. And then the other thing dimension, which just sort of minded looking at this as that emiko's plan is not as with so many villains plants, not just to kill all over, but to basically ruined his reputation, and as she puts it tournament to a villain like their father, which I thought was also an interesting point, given the so much of what we've seen about Robert, especially after his death as not been super complementary. Yeah. So yeah, there's a real threat there. And again, as we've seen in the future. Vigilantes things are not great. But she doesn't spend all her time vetting about it either. No. She's, she's here too. She's here to not make friends and blow up bombs. Well, it's like pretend to make friends in and yeah, yes, she's just got him. She drops like an emotional bomb on him and then just blows them up. Actual. All right. Any last thoughts before we ritual the sucker? Sounds like a no, John, once they you. Well, okay. So I had been prepared coming into this discussion to give it a John junior because I was I was a little bit annoyed about the beginning. I and I still had that feeling even if they managed to turn it around at the end. And I also feel like some of it was still like, bringing ROY along at the end doesn't make a lot of sense. And that seemed a little black convenes play house to me. But and talking about it with you guys. I think I've decided to go with, with biff because there's enough about it. That's that was really good. It turned out that turn at the end was really good. I do even though I found some of the, the, the repetition kind of annoying as I was going through it, I applaud them for doing something, different and. Yeah. I mean looking back on it, I think it's, it's better than I was giving a credit four. So I'm gonna give. All right. Guy. I agree with John. I was visited to give it a bit. If I was excited I do like it. When I talked to you guys mentioned to change my mind, so glinting classic view. I take all of your points. There was a bunch of stuff like thinking about it that like. Yeah. So it'll be paint by numbers. But the good bits about it. I think really pulled it out for me. Just seeing it was great. Having a park dance over beams. Trick shot through a fan. Upside down, that was great. The fight fighting was aces. The character development was good. Within the. Within this sort of, structure of doing an episode like this. Overall? I thought it was green. It's a bit for me. It's a bit Billingsley. Things Li things let's keep easily. I yeah, I think I had the same sort of feeling as you guys where it's like I was kind of on the fence about this. This is a strange does feel like roads that we've we've traverse before. But what I give them credit for was key. Continually coming up with red herrings that made me question my own theory about what had happened because every time somebody's sauce. Somebody else standing over the body or thought somebody else was involved. I actually was like, was it that person or are they covering for this person? And it just kept me guessing, just enough that even though I wasn't like shocked about the ultimate. Reveal of would kill these people. I wasn't one hundred percent certain going in like, you know, definitely a lot this, what happened I liked the feeling of, of figuring out what happened like right about the time. All he did was kind of a nice reveal like it wasn't something that was telegraphed to early. It was different. It was interesting. There's a lot of good performances said, there's enough here that is good and solid, even when it felt like it was might devolve into sort of dull territory that I it came out as a win for me. So I'm going to greet. It's biff it's not the strongest. So we've had this season, but it's neither is the weakest. So I would I would give it a thumbs up. And it sort of catapults pretty well, it seems like into the last two of the season because I think we're going to kind of not really stopped from here is my guests do want to call it one piece of writing in particular that I just thought of while you were talking. When all he goes to confront ROY about what happened. I thought that was really well done. Yes. Yeah. They have a good scene. It's clinton. Hang did it happen. When did it happen, Wendy yet? So there's no, like I know what Liz, none of that. It's a it's that's a self-assured piece of writing. And that's it's that's exactly it self assured the characters no each other. You're confident that the actress complete off, and they do. I thought that was very clever very well done piece, rebounding, really served the big video. Well, so kudos to Hanes, too, I think I I do miss every time he shows up again. I'm he's really just solid. He's a really good actor on this show, and I miss having him around. But I'm glad that they could bring him back in for some more episodes, same. All right. Well, we have done are due diligence in wrapping up confessions. We have to episodes left in this season. So there's still some. Some final stuff to, to wrap up, but shall we do some superhero sleep? Anything happened this week? Thing. Anybody see any movies this week? Do you wanna talk about that? Or do you wanna talk about? I noticed that guy. Or someone put in our super Swede topics also the Gotham finale was also seen it. You. Okay. So we won't talk about that. What? To sign off. I mean this made the real like hit the spoiler sweep double heart because. Yeah, yeah. Okay. So this will be early. You may not have seen the movie we're going to talk about. It is she's am she's Zan. The movie. Everybody's talking about I. All right. We are going to talk about endgame of interest and game, which came out this past weekend. If you do not want to hear anything about avengers, endgame, you can probably safely, stop the show. Now, we won't say anything interesting what I'll do. I'll even put a chapter marker in at the end of the episode, where we just wrap rep up and sign off. I don't think. If anybody wants to you really finish line stupid stupid last two minutes of the show, you can do that aftermarket for you. But other than that, you have been warmed and we will now take our fire off our spoiler horn, and take our our moment of superhero sweep. Silence and then launch into and game discussion. So that moves with you. All right. They're gone. Can you believe what happened to game of thrones? I can barely see what happened in game. We turn the lights down. It seemed fine anyway. Okay. Okay. Switch spoiled. Superhero show kind of little bit. We'll sort of. This is a big a couple like full on incomparable episodes talking about it, but we should at least spent some time talking about it. This is. Man like if feels like a lot to talk about because it's the three hour movie because all want happens, and even as I've been thinking about it over the last several days, I still am thinking, like I'm gonna need to see this again, at some point, but I actually feel like it's the first marvel movie in a long time where I'm like, but not for a little while like at the like I need to sit with it before I dive right back in because it's like I feel like that. Twice. Oh man. I, I think these last hour is there's so much going on. So motionlessly ringing parts that I've just like I need a little break before. I see you again. So I was thinking of going tonight. And then I realized. Other superhero commitments but I think I'm gonna go tomorrow night, pretty late. Because Dan, you and I are recording on Thursday, leave. Yeah, that's comparable coop. So I wanted to see it twice because I saw Thursday when it came out. I, I don't know. I really enjoyed it. Yeah. But if I'm going to talk about it. I kinda wanna be watching it with a little bit more more of an eye actually, what's happening rather than just getting swept away. But. Yeah. It's interesting because there is there. Yeah, I don't even know. I kinda know where there's just so much in there. I have some nitpicks about some decisions that were made. I've been reading a lot of articles about it in the last couple of days, and I think that there are some really good points about the failures of the marvel movies to date and how some of them are exemplified in game, but that said it did not take away from my ultimate enjoyment of the movie, and, and feeling like it was a fitting capper to these like twenty odd movies. Yeah. And I mean, it certainly certainly for capping Tony. I. Characters. They're, they're in seemed to really fit their whole arc. Yes. Yeah. Despite the somewhat. The plot and mechanics of that plot being kind of nonsensical at times, even like time travel is a difficult concede to work with. And I think that the they hit all the emotional beats even if the logical way that the time travel works is I did not have with really very much of the logic. How does how does back? Well, okay, there's ways to me, there's a lot of ways that you can explain it, and that's really enough for me. Okay. I don't think they need to go into every detail and. Thought that you tell. I think if you make rules you should be consistent with those rules. And there are definitely parts that don't seem to follow the path that they've laid out. I think that's the whole idea of the Infinity since those rules, you just do what you want. They don't even use the news for most of it. The time travel time travel thing has has some issues because. Set up a pop culture, like, oh, it's like these time travel movies, and they're like, no, it's definitely not like those time travel movies because we. Trouble. But then it kind of like, yeah, I don't know. It's a little bit range. Okay. So if you didn't listen to us before for real, now, go away. Seriously? So when does the snap to Illich God knows what he did to the entire existence? Right. That's fair. It'd be like I want to go and have life with Peggy. I'd everything's fine. That's what I wish and that's what's going to happen. And that. And I'm okay with that. But the idea that like, when he snaps people in planes that crash where they materialize realize at home with their loved ones. It's fine. Like, you know that I'm okay with I think the thing the thing with cap and Peggy's a little strange just because he gives specifically goes back in time to return supposedly return all the stones, and then he stayed doesn't go back in time, he goes to parallel universes region. The stones, okay so and, and I guess back in time with a parallel universe then. Well, I think that's, that's what I assume because otherwise he can't he can't come things that because otherwise things that have that he can't change the past. They already said that they can't change the past. She's already, she's already lived a life with somebody else and died. Yeah. Although it's a little vague because the cannon so far they never really talk about. I don't think they ever concretely say who she not one hundred percent but she ends up with Susa the end of. I thought they said like when she was on the deathbed like I married, a good man or something. Okay. So I I really watched. We watch both all three captain America movies this weekend, because we watched endgame, we can't really want it to them. So we watch them all. It's, it's vague. There's never there's a part where pictures of her with her kids, but there is no husband in the picture. I think if the engine Tanic there. She says that that in civil. Winter soldier that he saved her husband's a unit. Yes, he says, she c-. He stopped a hydra blockade which turned out to include the man that that would go on to your husband. But that's also kind of ambiguous, that's less then. And then came back into the picture. Well, no, I mean well, he saved himself like and if he goes. Okay. Yeah. Okay. But I think the whole point is that if they go back in time, they, they create a new timeline. Regardless of anything else. Yeah. I think that was that was pretty consistent throughout the rest of the movies. So I figure he went to back anyone. He started another time line. And he lived he lived a life with peg, and then he talked to hang him or he did something. And he came back to that. Yeah. Specifically say that right there like when you go back in time. Your past is still your pass. So it's still there and then it becomes your future. So it gets like grafted on right? Yeah, I the trick is the trick is him coming back at the very end because that doesn't it's not really explained in its. But I don't I don't care that it's kind of intimated that he just got old in this timeline. So it could just be a difficult in it using it could not be the same cap. This is true. Oh, anyway, I'm not gonna say that, that really like took away, you know, too much of my enjoyment in the film, debating that there was way too much other stuff that I really liked. And so. I did okay spider fish won an Oscar for this hippie. So, so let's just go with it stuff that I absolutely loved. I mean, the moment where everybody comes back is pretty fantastic. Especially when we watched winter soldier right after the Sam on your left thing is like that was great. The chokes me up the thing that the thing that I did not see coming that really made me like yell in the theater was capping meal near like that was I was like, oh my God. I did not think they were going to do this ever. That moment in. As of ultra he goes, he goes pick it up and it moves just. Fine. You could've left it that you could have like well, okay. I think that was it was written for a joke. Yeah. Then but. In so much of this movie, they went back and picked up. Yes. Like little things. Yeah. Yeah. They like, you know, taking all of these the Bank, and guess what two billion dollars? But, like, yeah, yeah, just story wise, took them to the Bank, and it worked great seeing when we see a miniature. Move a little bit. Mio. I thought it was going to come in Concha panels on the head, it self, exactly. Nope. Awesome. That was such a it was a well earned moment. And also Thor Thors. I knew it. And he's right. Like in the John, he looks kind of worried. Right. Like that's my favorite thing is these characters who love each other and are just psyched about all being together. Again. I that's great. I think one of the best things that the marvel universe has done is leaned into Chris Hemsworth, comic shops, which are. He is like there's glimpse of glimpses of it in the first tooth or movies. And then when he's in the. Comfy down more and then in, in ragnarok, obviously, it's like just like what's do this. And they really lean into it again, here, they made some choices that I think we're less good than others about him. But overall, Chris Hemsworth, just his performance is great. Yeah, so, yeah. Full his little seem with his mother. I love it's great. Nice to get closer on that. So many things time travel. Let's do like it's very much back to the future to where like even the point where like, Tony skulking around the edges of the, you know, of his of tower in the first avengers movie like hiding from the rest of them in very back to the future for two. And he says, at the America's asked joke, which is good. Yes. Yes. Tastic. I loved cap famously does not swear. And then he comes around the corner themselves as that you gotta be getting. No. He has that one in ultra onto right at the very beginning of Altron could they make? No, no, no, no. Tony Tony says, and he says he says language. Net net says making fun of that whole fight Cappon cap was awesome. And then he knows just how to play him. Well, well, I thought it was mistake, but anyway, he knows how to play them Fisher. Oh, yeah. He's, he's alive. Yeah. Right. Which is amazing is. Oh, I. Integrating that in filth. And he's like, okay, we'll use this. I love that when he gets knocked down and getting open the other guys goes, I could do this all day. He's I know. I love the cap cap is in Noida by his own goody. Could he just like anybody? He's such a such a boy scout. Because he's involved in he's grown in that over intervening time. Right. He's, he's, he's at I and to go with both of those the scene in the elevator, of course, which was such a fantastic setup and then undercutting where he gets the elevator literally like the scene from winter soldier, and you're like, all right. He's going to have to do the whole elevator. And then he just just a hail hydra thing. Hey, walks to the like people, everybody got bent out of shape about cats being hydra in the comics. And somebody yes, I don't think most people are going to get that. No comment loved it. It's just so smart, right. Like, oh, wait easier. Could win that fight not a problem your father. It was nice. They got they got most of the same like, actually. You got sit. Well, like you've got all the yeah the big bulk guy with the beard. Would've left. I mean, this is impossible, but getting channeling would be a hurt right? Getting Redford back, like, you know, for that scene in the lobby was pretty great bananas that you can get these people to just show up like a little bit. I'm assume an I assume that the Natalie Portman stuff was full that they already felt like footage for me. I agree. But she's credited that was sort of the prized this your credit with everybody else. Contracts. Right. The other had to or they did it have any lines though. So I wondered why also agree. I thought it was probably reused footage, although I mean. Yeah. Case full of money. Plus courtesy plus agent bliss. I wanted I wanted to see rocket try to. Bizarre scene. Who I thought was like? Sort of wouldn't say a hero, but, like as far as an actor goes, like a subtle hero in this is LOKI is Tom Hilton because he comes in and he's, he's dead. But he does a bunch of extra scenes, and it, sorta seems like he's not in the movie because it's all he's all in full in the past but but at the same time he's also setting himself up for TV. With the right. And I wondered if that was the jumping off point for the miniseries. They're doing I think it's gonna be lucky running around with the space stone for a while. Yeah. Yeah. So the cool thing about having those stones, not go the way that they went in our reality, is that it doesn't matter because the Intel that phantoms gets is from, like the updated reality of that. Do you know what I mean? From the like Donald knows it. Loki absconded with the with the stone. So he knows to get it there. Yeah. Yeah. Like the way the way he manages to collect all the stones still kind of legit. Right. Because the gut is, updated along with them having moved. Well except you can't you can't change their time. Okay. So all different timelines any. Okay. Anyway, I've attract my. Timelines man. That one particular time, you know, but I guess maybe the time stone. I don't know if they're infinite if there. Well, I mean they have to go back and how does cap do all that by himself. But so it's okay. He's got he's got a hammer. It's fine. I'm not convinced that plan makes any sense because I don't think the ancient one is that convinced of it either. Yeah. That scene is a little strange because she goes like that scene. You go through a very dated explanation of why you have to be careful about this. And then it never really gets back to that will banish like I'll be right back to me. If you try to go back to being it back, you'll just create a new timeline. Well, don't think she minds I when I heard what she said. I don't think that's the problem. I think she's really. I think she's subtly referencing. The fact that door mama was coming and the time stone in order to stop Dohrmann, oh, and the, you know, like you can't just take this because I need this later because this thing is going to happen. And without without saying that specifically in. That's all they create another. You know, a slightly different time line. That's fine as long as they have the time. Stone people be she could have looked at all the possible futures, like strange it and decide that we're barely didn't so there's one of two things either her time line is condemned to be destroyed. Domo. The dog or. Went snaps his fingers, he decimates all life in his time line. And all of the time. Oh, dear. That's a real. That's a real metaphysical. No, no, no. Because that doesn't that doesn't work because there are different. They're different. Finnity stones in different timelines and because. Well, I mean, okay they've address this in the comics, at least okay? And if I mean, actually, I think, in the comics. Well, these from parallel universes. If you get Infinity stones from different universes. They don't work right in your universe. Okay. So more intense. That makes that makes sense. I've run all of the quantum theory in my head. Sure, it's like when you go to a different country, and you need after for your power. Yeah, there's a. Yeah. It's fine. It's fine. It's not a thing that bears thinking about because so much the comes from, like what's happening right in front of you. Ain't given moment. Am kind of I'm kind of torn about the time travel back to previous movies thing. I like I, I think it's one way it's a nice sort of tip of the hat to the stuff that they've done to date. And then the other aspect is that seems like a clip show. I of interleaving it and also making it a point where like sure it seems a little bit like a clip show, but you get to see like the new stuff. Yeah, the new stuff the new angles, the style, you didn't entirely see into Tony's Tony's time with Howard is Tony time with Howard is great, although it would have been really funny for capterra run into him to enjoy their, their relationship. Yeah. But he would have known who absolutely one hundred percent but it would have been great. And I was gonna say the thing that, like I it's funny, too, 'cause like I spend so much time trying to untangle certain parts of the plot. That, like I get like wrapped up my own head. So I was thinking I got a little boy, because felt like oh, Carol's first appearance, bringing Tony ship-back doesn't like how does it fit with the whole thing, where she shows up in the pagers gone off from the captain marvel and then cat had to point out to me like, no, she shows up then they sent her to go gets, but as a change of format for those for those bumpers? Right. Because usually the bumper in the next movie in this instance, it's actually. No, this is what happens in between the movie you just saw in the movie that you're going to me wondered if it was in and game. And they cut it just be. I mean they. I mean they. Over time. And that you see that you'd have to marvel anyways, so why. But yeah, 'cause it's, it's I kind of missed having that moment of like people being like who the hell are right? Like, yeah, but that would have, you know, that's like two three minutes of screen time minimum. Yeah. Like who are you? What are you doing? How do you know fury? What's going on? Oh santa's. Okay. Who's tony? Why do I care about Tony? Okay. Where do they go? It's a busy. It's exposition. It's all busy work. Whatever let it go. Save Nonni which by the way, Tony and. No. Hanging out with lovely. I liked that so much the way that they get along great playing playing finger football playing football and she's just so which is good. Although it does beg the question of, like I feel like that's those are great scenes, but it soon as he gets back with the rest of the avengers like any bomb that they had totally va- parades. I wish I think they were best. Yeah. Yeah. Like on bonds did evaporate because it was the end of the universe like that was bad. Yeah. Five years passes. I mean he goes off he goes off to the cabinet. Yeah. I mean, that's I thought that was fair. I thought it was fine. I just like to, and I didn't get the sense that they were good friends, they would just both good at tinkering stuff and hanging were hanging out and they. Very nice spec. Where where she like puts? Yeah. Exactly like. Yeah. Right. Gives him the oxygen to public. She doesn't need it. That much something but right? Although somebody pointing out like, you know, she has like this one of the, the one of the place, other places that critiques this movie come into play. And I got a good article from this, I think it was from over on nine about the role of women in this movie in the role of women in the in the entire M C, you at times being relegated to very much relegate the second fiddle and caretaker for the male characters, and nobody notices that when nebula comes back like, the, the fake nebula comes back, like nobody knows is even though she has a totally different arm. Covered it up. Yeah. No, I know. I know. I mean it's, it's yeah. I mean, nobody knows she's the wrong person, right? Yeah. And it's like, well, she's an outsider and nobody knows her that well, but that would have been an interesting moment for Tony tweak, to, for example, because he spent a lot of time with her. Super chatty. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Twenty could've notice. That's true. But caring gillen's performance in this movie's really. She's a veal up stir in this movie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like she carried me like. For being sort of tertiary character in, in a secondary film franchise, she carries a lot of the weight in this one, she's so funny during that football game. And then, and then later when she delivers the line that says that he won't let me. She said trapped in her life. Yeah. It's sort of breaks your heart at the same time. Be think. Yes. Shooter. That's hard acting under all of that prosthetics. Yeah. All of that, whatever the hell is going on with her. She's got act is two different people neither of whom have very likable, but in different ways like how, how did you character progress? Probably don't kill on sight is pretty much as far as she's gone, which is. But she doesn't really joined it. What was your guys feeling on on hulk in this movie? I like Brady Hoke. I missed I missed smash him book, but seeing flow. Like I wanted help to really just go to town on something. And we really miss we miss his transition. I mean he's just there already, and it's kind of weird because it seems like there was so much left from the previous movie emotionally about between him and the whole that. It's all it's just like, yeah, that's all just like. Yeah. That happens. And I think there was, I think I've read an interview where the about that. And, and I mean and you know again they can't do everything in a. Movie that's already three hours nine minutes long so little there where like you know, they're sitting at the diner with these gigantic plates of food. I love. I mean so I-. John you and probably you probably both know the comics expanded the me like there's like it's kinda like a Grayhawk thing. Right. Like isn't Grayhawk cuts? No, because. Teenage you'll. He's all go driven. He's smart. He's smart. But he's more Mr. Heidi's and. This is like an integrated as not banner at all. But there have been instances in the comic book definitely where they've had banner be. The brains in the brunt of the same thing. I did not just the brains. It's like an integrated whole of a character like right? He's got like banners, meek Meakin demure at times when the integrated sort of hook characters off more confident. He's more confident. Yeah. True. I guess some elements but not all I love the favorites with him is still the scene, where when they go back in time, and he's like they're like smash stuff on the way taxi. Yeah. Was really great. Also like the stairs. Yes. His dad vists like he's still wearing clothes. Some of the. Got uniforms, that they put smart, Hawkin bernie'll lookin jumpsuit that? He's okay with the purple yet. Yeah. Yeah. I liked it. He's like still smart. But. Still kind of screwed up the. Time travel device. Just a good gag. Yeah. I mean, that was I don't feel like I feel like that doesn't make a lot of sense. I mean, I guess Tony explanation is like the best you could probably do with time. Time time went through him. Sure that works. But okay, that's fine. And banners reaction to time travel. That's what. Right. Hey. Previous batter wouldn't have done that. But hulk banner's like just going through compare that compare that age of time raise like Tony Tony. No, no, no. This one's like look at work. I consider this a win. Yeah. We get some characters. Get more screen time here than in the previous. Movie, including a couple of people get screen time that didn't didn't even appear in the first INFINITI war movie likes got laying and Clint. I was a little surprised at how much Scott got in this one. I wonder and that was the thing. I wonder going in was how much Scott being stuck in the quantum realm at the end of man. And the wasp was gonna come into play here. I had a strong suspicion that that was going to hit it all. And it did turn out to be, although I thought it was. Yeah. I, I, I bet wrong in that. I thought it was not going to be. But clearly, it did not did not definitively answer my question which was I, I assume not. But part of me had wondered if being stuck in the quantum realm if he had been supposed to be snapped and wasn't because he was like essentially someplace. Yeah. On findable and that going to be the key. I yeah. Some kind of thing. Right. Like brian. Shield against animals rather than being the keys traveling back. But when I saw the movie they. His mom basically time travel, like she was in there for how long her time not long hopes mom, sorry hopes. Mother-in-law whatever. Cat woman was in there for how long time for like every, I think, yeah, I thought it was less. I don't know. I thought it was mostly the same. But maybe but it's I think the whole, you know, like it's the it's the perfect macguffin thing because if it's unpredictable, it could do anything unless you invented do key. Tony. And then and then you can put some predictability around. Right. Right. Yeah. So tony. Kony been saving up all those being power juices, for just just a good moment. I guess, you know, just got they're going to have to rely on cheery from now on also that. Yeah. Kind of an interesting question, which is the where the MC you goes after this. I I'm for one m really glad that. So they've described that, like the next Spiderman movies, kind of a coda in the same way that like Iran was for the phase one or two. I can't remember so you have the big clemency event. And then you still have kind of like the locations, although I loved, I thought this is as many other people did, like how many are there like now a bunch of kids, who were like five years older than their counting their classmates. No, that's the whole thing about my it's like the definitive stones a wish. Everything's back to whatever it should it be. But it is in the future, like I think they like it is technically in twenty twenty three now, so or whatever twenty might take. Did all of those people know that the other people had been missing all that time? Yeah. Yeah, we'll twenty definitely did Tony when you hugs hugs Peter. He's, he's. That's real. Yeah. Tony Tony had been on this side of the, the events that caused it to happen. It wasn't clear to me that people that fight of events, the people that got EBay or the rest of the world. Well, the, the well no Peterson Peter, he didn't know that. I mean, he didn't know himself because he just like he went to sleep woke up right? And but on your stream said five years has passed when he's when he sees Ned to it seems like they know they've been on. It's confusing. Oh. I'm assuming that the there's so many problems with that part of it like logical problems that doesn't bear the real. I will say this the real issue, I think that they come down to is that they wanted to give really only one reason that they don't just go back and try to undo things like in a different way, which is Tony, how Gordon and they don't they don't want to subject that which is at the one hand, very Tony stark and at the other hand like there, there are billions of lifeforms at risk here. We're trading them for, you know, one person. Yeah, but he's the guy that makes a fun guy. Guy who knows Catholic, gut, it probably would have kept his promise. But yeah. Yeah. But I mean, I think that, that they also more minutes. The other thing is given the rules of the Univer, given the rules of time travel, as they set them up if they did that weren't they just creating another parallel universe go live in that parallel universe. But then, but then there would still be one where everybody would be well, yeah, you can't fix all the universes. I know I want to make an omelet you gotta break some universes. Not even not even with the finished stones. But I was gonna say, I think they also from a meta perspective from writing perspective. They wanted Tony to have that growth, too, right? Wanted to set out in a way that me felt like because that was the lead in the very first thing Infinity war is running pepper talking about having a kid, and they even mentioned the naming her Morgan and all of that. So, like I think they wanted to leave that as a legacy for Tony. I think they spend, I sort of appreciate it. And I, I found it weird when I was watching it first time. When the proto would have at the event just pull up to Tony's lake house. We spend a lot of time with Tony in his kids, just one on one, which I think is great because it gives Tony a lot of. You get to see his growth. You get to see him hanging out with his kid, and he's really good dad. Here's a great dead. Yeah. I mean I mean all of his all his like that. Yeah. That's it servic cracks. It makes two people have. Being worn down, and she lives. Reaction to right. Like like he's still has the basic famous. But it's all being like e-voting bye. Bye love. And it's just so much action that it's not a he's not a YouTube that who's like taking her toys away, and then film air. No, no, no anyway, turning into your other podcast. But, but it struck me as a little bit weird. Pepe wasn't around that much. Yeah. Some not unwelcome because frankly Paltrow cut it turns out these days, but. A little weird. It felt like I wasn't sure that she was alive for a little bit offscreen that long that I'm like, maybe wonder if they were very limited knee in the time they had for her. But maybe because he does say he tells Morgan that have built this helmet or built suit basically view, mum. But he doesn't even say like it's not clear to me at that moment that is in fact pepper. Yeah, it is a little. Yeah. I think I didn't. But I didn't consider that. I know I I'm with guy shoes in the movie. Yeah. Yeah. Issues in the movie, but it would have been hilarious. If he was with the blonde lady from the first one. Really? On your experience. That would also be pretty Tony. Is he just looks up with what's the actress, sorry, it's a famous Leslie's bit exactly? Yeah. That would have been a cameo now, now going, we sort of branched off into our own parallel universe there. But I was just talking about the, the future of the after this, which is kind of an interesting state, so we have at least one, we have at least one case where a mantle has definitively been handed down, which is saying, I'm becoming captain America. But it seems like he's going to the streaming jazz series. Right. I would not say that he would he may not have. I'm sure he will appear, if there is a future movie, but I'm not certainly wouldn't rule it out. And I don't think it'll be a captain America movie necessarily, I think they're not for few years, they need to let you know leads to change. For bit. Yes. Go him up as a on the TV Sam needs to get a chance to, to grow to get that role to dissociate that from the Chris Evans cap. That's the biggest challenge that, that Marvel's can have now is even with so many of these characters who were not necessarily like household name characters. There is so much tied up in their identities. Now that like I've sure marvel I'm sure there's a part of marvel that worries like this was this was like our big one not we're not going to do fine. But like we're never gonna hit that same, right? Like about a money on this. And the fact that they're going to they're going to do the attorneys, which nobody knows why we're great when the in humans, they tried another. Nobody knows. Well, yeah. I mean, they were originally going to do that as a movie, and then they did the terrible TV series, you know, run by the guy who I think I hope they have learned to never trust again, because he also did iron fist. But, but the challenge is, how do you build up a new roster of characters? Again, iron, Dan himself was not a big character when they launched this like interactive, but he's bigger than the journals. Sure. Absolutely. You could wear the ironman, shale had t shirt and people would basically get it. But there's a question of what characters are left that are I mean, aside for setting aside, all the stuff they just acquired from FOX, which has definitely more. I mean fantastic four next men definitely have way more name brand recognition. But yeah, they're gonna start after I think they're not take a breather for like phase. And then stepping in the they'll get there. But I think it will be a little while. And there's just whether going to they're doing I mean, they still have the spider man of doctor strange. They have captain marvel presumably kept more. They can do another captain, marvel movie announced when yet. Right. But I don't think so. But I think it's, it's heavily. We will enough did well enough financial. That I would think that the black widow, I believe is also that's actually doing which leads me to other like visit a Sikh. Is it a prequel? Or is it is she coming back, somehow I think it's got to be a prequel and I'm very upset with the way that they dealt with that character I have mixed. Yeah, I think so, too, and I wonder. Like, I think it'd be a great opportunity to say that was this girl, I've maybe just sort of just let's look at the visual of injuries. Hawkeye is everybody's lease save adventure. Right. But he ultimately goes to this. Arc gets all angry. Stoats motoring people. And we have about a little ten fifteen minutes with zero in here. Sort of redeemed. Yeah. Yeah. Actually man, we should have just done a whole episode sometime. That's member. Feedstuff Hawkeye, five hell. Now, you have this movie. Exactly. Yeah. Well he was good. But anyway. Nyland called Japan. Okay. We could just on this for too long. Sorry. No that just save a good joke for when we actually do it. Dies to service history. Yeah, yeah, I'm not totally sure what hurric- is except from coming from. Well, we're supposed to believe like murderous spy lady, but immediately women see her. She's mothering banner as the hulk. Yeah. She's she's nurturing banner a lot. She is supportive of Clint when he gets taken over by lucky. She gets the worst service of banner gets good arc like he integrates his angry side with his nerdy side. Yes. Cap and have well established Rx that it for the vigilant ventures. Yeah. All of them for. She also gets thorough art. Yes, it's not his accent over. Yeah. Let me put this way. I think I one hundred percent agree with you. I don't think they did a very good job with her and part of it, I think, is they never really fleshed out her character background. They try honestly as the article I was reading about this suggested like in some ways age of drawn though it is the way it treats are is not great. It has the most about her in it of movies, which is saying something. So to me, part of the big failing for it is that we never got a really good conception of, who she was, we get little things, dribbed, and drabbed out there and in watching rewatching winter soldier, especially like she goes from somebody who cap like really is does not trust to, like, basically, they have like an almost like sibling like relationship and, and this. It's the best. Is not having, and this is what I think I'm guessing the prequel address is kind of the double agent life that she lived because we get that alluded to, like Redford says one point must get tricky being double agent, that never really goes away or whatever. But we don't really know anything about it. How did you go from the KGB to working for she'll like it doesn't make much sense? And so, I think do we know who's doing that movie yet I don't I saw away? I would think that like if the Rousseau's would go back to doing that, that winter soldier style. I mean, winter soldier style movie about her could be good. But I mean it may give it to women fighting. Yeah. Yeah. I just that it's just that I think that vibe works through wealth would were one hundred percents that give it to a woman, I has a director female director, Cate Shortland attached to it. I assume I think I kind of remember hearing that, that she was attached the black widow movie, so I think that's real. Yeah. There is a report on that from last two why. So, yeah. I think that's the villain that what you Tomic blunt. Yeah. I could do lots of remedial that if they really good standalone movie, but I'm not like I'm guessing it would totally fix the, the way that they treat her. But it provides a big opportunity to kind of flesh out, her character, and had that make sense because where you have both. I liked the assessment somewhere. I think it might have been in the interview with writers in the New York Times, which is really good. And you definitely read it. They talk about how the progression goes from Tony being selfish to selfless. Over the course of all these movies and calf moving from selfless to sort of, I think they describe it as an enlightened self interest rate like he's willing to finally step back and say, yeah, I'm going to take something for myself. And I think that. Natasha has the possibility of having that a similar sort of arc from going from somebody who doesn't trust anybody. And who is portraying everybody to being genuine and carrying about another person? And I do think I come down kind of in the middle on the way they treat her care, not in the way they treat her character, but the decision that gets made with ultimate ultimately sacrificing yourself because I don't believe, you know, agree that servicing. Hawkeye story is not the best look, but the same time it should not be purely the domain of men, disaster, vice themselves and have hurric- deaths like they're you know, and, but it was it was both women went over that cliff. I agree. I agree. And I I'm not saying that it's the I'm not trying to defend all of that decision. But I think that was a tough. They were both the strong independent, because I think if I think if Hawkeye had been the one instead I'm not sure that would have been it wouldn't have been problematic. Maybe but I think they should've sent different people. Yeah. I think it would have been boring, Hawkeye gone over just to get his family back. Nobody gets anything out of that. Other than we rendered is. Oh. Oh, yeah. I mean, the whole. Yeah. Okay. That whole thing was I liked it. I liked the tension between. Net and Hawkeye. But I did not like the way it was resolved. I liked it. They fought each other for who's going to go over the cliff. That was awesome. Right. Because they clearly Levin respect each other. They live. That's, that's the whole point of like somebody has to give somebody up but they straight any string that out fairly. Well, yes. Joined that couple of moments where it could have gone. Either way, I enjoyed the choreography on that. If not be Mia binded, right. Yes. Exactly. But they should have at least sent cap to their point at one point. So you could be like red skull, what are you doing? I don't know. Why did they try beating them up? It seems like step. One is beat that he doesn't have. He doesn't have this the stone. I mean, that's he just he just tells them what the rules are. Trick where they like, what if we throw you over that was fine? You just needed eighth. So, like didn't matter if you really love them. There's no, we didn't actually put in check some code for that even weird. Hawkeye like the, the Hawkeye from the comic books, even if that guy had did not have the stone, and it never would have help he would have stuck in our weight him just fun. It's true because why not? Yes. Agree with the vets-go face. Guess we'll get narrow just because I got nothing else to do. Well he should've known who he was anyway. But the thing that's kind of weird about that logic is that nebula was going to kill herself. And I'm sorry, good. More was going to kill herself in order to try and take because, because, you know, Thanos was killing her, and she was going to try and kill herself in order to take that away from him, so that he wouldn't be sacrificing the thing that he loved the most, and yet, these two are competing over, which will try to kill yourselves. So it doesn't given that seems a little weird but. They're different expectations for their emotions. Anyway. I think. Good forty five minutes woman for two nights out. Yeah, we're going to get back into this. That's for sure. But we are now going to conclude this week's episode because, you know, it's been a while we've talked about this lawn. So we have to those left in the season of ERO and they begin next week with our obligatory, Bruce Springsteen title for the penultimate episode living proof, and then we have one file up. So you have saved this city and, you know, we'll probably because we've done this before, and I think it tends to be fun. I think we'll probably do a live cast of the finale when we record. Just because it's a kick, it's nice to have people drop into the chat room, and we can sort of do that live, so two weeks. Look for that. And I think for the final season, we should von some kind of pool to try to figure out what the boost drinking titles, Ponente. Sort of money on this. Well, we'll give away one of teachers. Yeah. Are you going to give them? The shirt, it's just a, it's a plain white t shirt assured off, guys. You don't trust me to get you just don't trust me. I feel like I feel like. In the little icon and Skype, it looks like a gray gray t shirt for people are lying. That's it reading reading along at home. That's what's happening. All right. Well, we shall bring this episode, and then and all I have to think my co hosts, John, thanks for being near tenth avenue freeze out. That's a good one unlikely. But. Guy english. Always a pleasure was a leader. I don't know what's happening anymore. There's been seeing okay. Okay. And dancing in the dark Scott, my name. Thank you, all for reading along with us. I hope you enjoyed this episode. And if you listen to the discussion by endgame hope you enjoy the two and if not. Yeah. Sorry. Whatever. Will be back this week, this fourteen million ways. This could have gone better. You're still, you're still biff to. Thank you all for reading along with us, and we will see you next week.
Bonus - Simone De La Rue on Surrender, + Body Acceptance After Pregnancy at Propel CoLabs Fitness Festival
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We dream it and and then we do it. Thanks so much for tuning into the almost thirty podcast here. We go happy friday. Welcome back to our summer series. We are doing with propel as you know we were live at the propel co labs fitness festival in los angeles this summer the fourth year of one of the biggest fitness festivals out there. We love this event because it's a place where we all really learn grow inspire and and celebrate fitness and wellness altogether you know that's our jammed to be in community as we are learning so we just thought this would be such a great fit <hes> and away to inspire our community by having these conversations with incredible guests we were lucky enough to interview leaders in the fitness and all over mind body health health space and are excited to bring you the series powered by propel. This episode with simone de la rue of body by simone who is a former dancer turned hollywood fitness. It's expert and the founder of b._b._s. She is amazing. She is a new mom and she is so down to earth and we are so glad you tuned in for this episode enjoy <music>. We're so grateful for this interview with mon. We are excited to have a conversation with her today. We you're so glad you are here. We are almost thirty podcasts. We started three years ago when <hes> lindsay and i i meant and we were going through transition from our twenty any store thirties when we felt like we should know more answers than we did. We felt a little lost a little confused all of those things so we wanted to create a space where we could have open conversations stations about health wellness spirituality entrepreneurship all of those things so we are excited to be here today with y'all and excited for this interview the what's bring her on the wonderful simone delarue come on up. She is the founder of body by simone and she has been able to really create a business business and a life around doing what she loves and she is such a kind kind soul and we've had her on the podcast to make listen to that one but looking forward to chatting today. How's the workout. It's good. It's who is that me. I know we did the hug shoes like ah. Can you tell us about the creation of body by simone. You know creating this workout. That is different than anything else. That is very you. That is very approachable bowl yet really effective so i didn't really go to gyms throughout my life. I was always at dance. I started dancing at the age of three and that was a professional dancer full eighteen years in london's west end and broadway and i always just had my long lean physique because stance was my odds and was my i passionate was what i did a man. I remember someone asking me what do you do. What workout do you do to look like that and i said well. I don't do work out. I just dance and i was like an moment for me like oh this is this is why my buddy looks like this because i'm dance every day. I'm using my entire body. Might i call up a buddy. My lower body my brain. Li li's are to learn choreography and and i will why not open something that can teach other people to dance and not be intimidated by the word dance so it's kind of happened by accident. I'd had enough of dancing. I'd been i was in the broadway way dressing room and i had an aha moment of i don't wanna do this anymore. I don't want to have to audition for someone to give me a job. I wanted to take control back of my life and be my own boss so i created buddy by simone and <hes> i remember sitting in the dressing room and i was looking through this magazine and it had edge hair by so and so and make up by so and so and i thought soon. I wonder who trained them. That would be a cool name for business wide. I call let body by simone so that's how the name buddy by simone started. It was literally a transition from dance into fitness. When you dance you have to learn in all forms of health and wellness. Yoga pilates strength work so it was combining all of my favorite things into one workout and i'm a little bit a._d._d. A._d._d. and i get really bored so the thought of like standing on a treadmill for twenty minutes was i. Oh my god that is torture so i wanted you know. Let's what's a fun way of doing cardio and it's by dance so that's basically how it was created. I go all my favorite bits and pieces of movement and dance and fitness. Put it all together and created a body by someone in a nutshell. That was a lot and wasn't it. I found dance to be so healing and i don't know i was the dancer in a past life but not here extent and i think just as a kid like we love to just kind of dance around and flop around it feels so good and revisiting that as an an adult has been so so healing so i i'm curious about what you've realized are the healing aspects of dance chance of moving your body and my way of actually being in your body i think as i said before you know women we can be quite judgmental an for me. One of the main things that i still in my staf and all of my studios is a beautiful loving energy and inclusive energy an ego. Free environment says like leave your ego at the door. We have celebrities next to everyday people. We all sweat the same and we're all there for the same purpose. They're just trying to be the best versions of ourselves so it's really important to me aged to create a toxic free environment and a loving environment you know like if you hear the word dance dance cardio like oh god i can't do that. I've got two left fate and i wanted to create create something that you didn't have to feel intimidated by you. Just wanted to come in and have a good time when you dance. It's a it's an odd form. Isn't it so it's like it's sacha freeing failing at such a creative failing. You're not necessarily going one to one to one on a bike. You're letting your whole buddy. Move sets a spiritual creative process as well as of getting a kick ass workout and there's so many brands out there so many fitness you you know experiences that we can all do and we're so lucky that we can do them but you have stood out and what do you think has helped in your brand success. Yeah i think now now when i first started eight years ago there only few people doing dance cardio and now every corner in new york somebody's doing dense ear and the same thing here in l. a. and at the the end of the day exercises exercise. I always say this like one of my favorite courts. A bicep curl is a bicep. Co you know you can you can get a kick ass workout with me. You can go with gun. You can go with luke. You can go with any of the other holly incredible trainers here. You're always gonna get an incredible workout but for me. What i'm selling is the failing. I wanna sell the the feeling the joyous failing and so i think and i hope that the reason that we've continued to be successful still eight years on one is the spirit you know an inclusive energy that you when you come into the room and then it's just the adrenaline and the feeling when you leave is so incredible folks that you wanna come back for more but i hope it's just as i'm nice. I think that's like ellen says it will be kind to one another. You know it's that simple. We've we've been talking about identity a lot over the last day or so with all of our guests and i'm just curious you know identifying as a dancer as a performer warmer and then identifying as a founder business owner. What was the turning point and are you you able to identify as other things as well. Sometimes it's hard because we attach ourselves to those bigger titles yet so i just love to dig in their sway sway. Think what's interesting. When i was a dance of you know that was my life. I lived and breathed and slept. I remember i got my first pair of point shoes. I slept next to them because i was so excited added to get my first pair point. She's i'm but you would say i'm edessa. I'm dan so what do you do. I'm a dancer. You know and it's like ben. I stopped saying that because then i was doing this fitness thing and at that point no one had really heard of body by simone and <hes> oh yeah. Are you doing that. Okay okay so we really just have to believe even yourself by. What's the title they have to not feel like we have to say who we are. What we do. Don't use your cell phone what you do but for me being on stage. It's very egocentric. 'cause nets like look at me everybody. I'm fabulous but when you're a trainer when move into fitness you're actually helping other people oh so the ego goes out the door and it becomes about a service. I'm giving an active service to try and help you will be the best versions of yourselves and i actually found that turning point for me. Was oh my god. This is so much more fulfilling so much more rewarding 'cause i'm helping you guys be the best that you can be the and it's not just about me but he fake eyelashes enduring five six seven eight at the front of the the broadway show yeah so yeah that was definitely a turning point for me but it was just like leave your ego at the door and <hes> help other people if that was a shift for us even with the podcast because it seems golick because it's our show but it's really about the messages that are i guess share with our audience and my ability to just translate that for them so i completely no and that's helped in longevity with your brand and i'm sure you know with ours as well. Another title that you have is mother got the baby in the back. He's that that we got a bunch of ace and then a stroller huh uh-huh what is that ben mike balancing motherhood and transitioning. You know your life. It's <hes> it's been incredible. I'm forty four and when i fell pregnant i was forty forty three and the doctors said to me that i was having a geriatric pregnancy which i didn't know if any of you out of had babies which i thought was hysterical because i'm forty four not one hundred and four for assad but you know i'd been trying for two years to get pregnant and i thought okay. Maybe this is not for me like my studios goes my staff for oh my babies so maybe that was my calling was just to be a mother for all of my stuff but <hes> i found out i was pregnant of overjoyed joy and then i was so nervous the first trimester do want to exercise too much exercise too little bit so so cautious and he's at the back of the room he's three and a half months old and he's the love of my life and i never thought that it was possible to love a human so much but it's actually given me me the more drive and more ambition she be successful because i want to show him especially as a woman right thank goodness on the on the boss right now but i can have him in the green room and i can breastfeed there but the so many situations where they allow you to do that and that's another one of my messages that i want to to help women is that we need to the open up the conversation and we need to know that it's okay that you can be a working. Mum like i don't have help. I didn't have a nanny just he comes everywhere with me and that's just how it is and we have to be. We have to create environments where that's okay but i want him to see that. You have to work hard for what you do and so it's it's really encouraged me to be better and and work harder and yet and take tagging along for the journey but it is a wonderful love but it's crazy because you know my body that's this is my tool like this is what i've always shown his my body by simone and when you get pregnant you get cellulite and you boobs full down in the milk comes out and then the baby becomes out and you get cut in half and then you know it's it's like there's nothing glamorous about that either and i also want to open the conversation about that of loving and accepting accepting your body like i did a post instagram when it was like a couple of weeks officer had given birth and i've let everything out 'cause. I wanted everybody to see because a lot of people put on instagram. That aren't show anything you know for like six months though destroyed from here up and then they'll be at the gym with a six pack and you you've just had a baby and and that stopped fair because you're setting the wrong message to women that all of a sudden this is how you look because you don't no matter how hard you work so. I think it's really important. The message is the exception body in love. It takes nine months to put on the way it'll take nine months to take it off and it's a process. My buddy probably weren't look the same as what it did before pregnancy but that's okay because i have him so efforts beautiful man yeah yeah i love to know what has been <hes> the vital to being present as possible for him in your post postpartum healing you know physically emotionally just assed being in your new new normal <hes> you know. I think you know some women have a really really hard time and it's and we don't talk about it. Necessarily necessarily thankfully people are talking about more postpartum and just other struggles but i'd love to know like what has been really valuable ineffective for you to to be as president as possible yeah. I think you know i go back to as women were so homer no right. He like be like this and throughout the pregnancy. I was the happiest i've ever been my my husband is like we've gotta get you pregnant. Moral high was just cool and loving life since having him yelm sleep-deprived deprived. I had a c. section. I didn't plan that so you can't get out of bed for like a week you can you can barely walk. He can barely lift your child like it is such a struggle and i found my emotions definitely going like this since we have to control that so for me. X. brings me back to exercise. It's like even if it's just ten minutes just finding that time for yourself is so important as far as i okay. This is my time. It's my meditation. It's my mantra. It's my i ten minutes my hour of doing something just for myself. That's my exercise like can go on and on about it. If only we could bottle that failing those endorphins that you get your exercise is we'd be rich because that that that that those endorphins are just incredible so when you going in a more you're having any kind of depression or you do have the blues. He's like you absolutely have the blues. I think i'm a pretty positive person that there was some days where i i don't think i can do this. You know exercise for me was my go-to because the psych okay i'm back in my body like this is may i know this and it made me feel good and you've also trained other celebrity mama's chrissy teigen natalie portman jennifer garner but would you say some of the lessons that you know they're doing as moms has taught you yeah i. I actually asked them. I i asked jen basically every morning. He's not sleeping. Is this normal like what should i be doing. I think communication is the cave of women. You know you have to ask ask ask for help. Don't be afraid to ask for help but it's it's a process. I think life is a precious. None of us really know what we're doing. Do we just kind of make it up and you're like okay. That didn't work so so. I went to that next time but i think yeah just just finding the balance but it's important to do something for yourself. <hes> so that you are a good role model but they are going to be center interview tension and they are going to be universe for quite some time and that's okay. That's beautiful as like your life ships a little bit but i can still have my career as well and i think it's a hot conversation. Now <hes> recovery just finding that time to slow down is just as good for your body body as movement is so how would you recommend people if they are doing you know cardio a handful of times a week or three times a week <hes> <hes> and they feel perhaps. They just need to keep moving. You know almost as a not a distraction but sometimes i feel like i i should just do it. You know the workout feels good after you do it but i do think we forget how valuable russ can be so what would you recommend. Absolutely i always say one day rest and usually it's. It's a sunday but we're making exceptions today. But a day of rest like you need to reset reset the mind reset the hot reset the spirit and reset set the body <hes>. I know you know i've worked on revenge body. We've done three seasons now. Everybody's their goal is weight loss and they think of gotta keep going. You know seven days a week. No you on your journey. You have to have a day off. You have to allow your buddy time to heal and repair in the muscles to repair payer <hes> and just be still. It's so important like eating. I think our thank goodness worth so much more open minded about meditation about yoga <hes> <hes> about positive affirmations <hes> you know and it's not you not selfish. If you take day yourself and as women we put ourselves selves lost. We put everybody else before us at children family ad job and we don't put ourselves first and it's okay to put yourself first and it's okay to say i need needed day of rest and whatever that is view but yes sleep sleep. I can't go on enough about sleep. As a sleep deprived mom <hes> i missed sleep but sleep is when you can heal and repair so if he can take the time to do it get as much sleep as you can on revenge body yet what are some of the key themes names that you notice with a lot of the people that are on the show <hes>. I don't know if any of them in the audience right now but we had some in the class duran was with this <hes>. You know it's fascinating to me. I'm so glad that there is the show because it is a platform for us to share knowledge in in wealth. You know we are very lucky to be able to be here today to to experience this but so many people one don't have the funds one don't have the knowledge age don't have the tools and don't understand so the show is really wonderful because it allows people to to learn the tools. I think what's fascinating is shorts of weight eight lush show but it really is about the emotional journey that everybody is going on. We all in our life have some experience of loss or trauma you. He knew there's a reason why we've got to the place that we have and so a lot of it for me is therapy. It's not really about a a weight loss show. It's really about being a therapist getting to the route of that trauma and finding out what that is finding that love and self acceptance and then really just being happy with who you are. That's that's really the core of what it is and that's why i enjoy doing the show because it really does help transform people from the inside out. I called my best friend in his husband the other day okay and they were crying. I was like what is wrong. They're like we're watching simone on their your biggest fans so i i do want to talk about emotional body and you know how how you treated your own emotional body and just how important that connection connection is with another to heal and how that's related to the physical transformation to yeah it is old connected mind body and spirit. It's the holistic approach but often. We don't know that we don't even think about that but it's like something as simple as smiling at someone and they smile back at you and immediately feel good right so it's like coming into that workouts just even looking at yourself in the mirror and smiling at yourself breath. It gets so hot. I don't know if any of you guys goes do that but looking at yourself in the mirror have a positive thought rather than the negative rather than oh. God look like this look my eyes look you know or i look at my teeth. Oh my bud or you know change that thought process and say something something positive like a little beautiful today the toshiya south high beautifully ready for the day they beep you have a positive thor and you'll be surprised that then that puts you in a good mood and then you're gonna come out the rest of the world and you're gonna present beautiful positive energy to them and it's going to put them in a good mood. Olivet is is a bad is about emotion. Life is about emotion you know as an and the beauty about coming back to the very start of the questions about dance and creativity and expression that's all about you know feeling positive and enlightened and so it's it is exercise. Everything weight loss says oh connected to you and how you see yourself. Yeah you can be whatever size you wanna be who cares what size you are but just own it and embrace set and love yourself and that sounds simple and easy but it's the one of the hardest things to do once he can do that winning what would be a first step for someone that wanted to love themselves more and and change that talk. I guess the mirror what i chimera minutes is dislike act tonight before you go go to bed and he'd taking your makeup buffy wash face actually look at yourself like not down or somewhere else so you phone or scrolling that we've become. I'm this nation that just swipe squalls skull like like you know everything's instant gratification and i didn't know about you guys but it makes me feel shit when i look could instagram sometimes because everyone's portraying this. I'm fabulous. Look in my life and you know then. Not you know that's just that instagram picture that they've put on right so don't don't compare yourself to other people look at yourself in the mirror. Look truly look at yourself and say something positive and and believe it and i think that's your first mantra right. I'm a vision of health and beauty. My mom taught me that when i was like five years old and as my mantra since i was a little girl mma vision of health and beauty eighty so i say it to my son every night before he goes to bed but just trying to change the whole process. Pick a mantra say something positive. You've done compare yourself. My mantra is i am infinite love. That's my the thing that i like it speaking of social media. I just think it's it's so hard to just manage expectations manage your own perspective on the world and in and on yourself so you know you've you've been you've been doing it all really you've been on t._v. You have your studios rose. You have the app also incredible. It's just you're out there. You're out there and so so visible and and i'm sure it could feel vulnerable at times. So what have you learned. And what boundaries have you created around social media. I joke but i think it's like we should have a license to be on social media but i really take it seriously. I understand that i've been blessed to have a platform to speak to women and so i don't take that lightly an i try and be very responsible all about what i post. I think it's really important that you know. I have a responsibility parts real. I too have reeled talk and not just post something glamorous us you know or put filters on it or try and pretend to be something that i'm not and i know i get frustrated. When i see you know influences winces and now everybody's influence a like someone's got a six pack and they're an influence sir and they'd telling you had to do an exercise but they've never trained and they have uh-huh qualifications and it's it's it's frustrating because like one you probably injure the sun because they're going to follow these exercises and to it's like just stay in your lane and be you and and stop i. I didn't know it gets me a little bit frustrated. So i try and use my platform in a really positive resited way <hes> and of course sometimes someone writes something negative but i just delete it or block or on follow and move on you know it's like i don't partake in in the madness as you know that person's just seeing behind a computer writing something and they probably very unhappy in their lives but i think we can use social media in a positive light to promote wellness and health and and and try and stay away from the negatively if you can. It's hard. I know but try in just follow positive people. What would you say to someone who's nervous about doing a dance class either i i. I didn't know i mean if you see me <hes> teach she class or if he know me i just make a fool of myself and i don't care like i try and disarm the situation and just try and be <hes> i dunno funding funding crazy and i think that seem points thing is as long as you're not standing on someone smashing them in the face next year. You can be creative and do whatever you you want go. You know be joyous as you want but don't be afraid to do it like sometimes people come in and they're like the hottest thing is just getting in the room and once you're in the room and you've completed the cost like oh that wasn't too bad and you come back again so my thing i would say every body the first time they come to any of my shears. Oh try <hes> the app for the first time you know. Just try and do five minutes. Just stay in the room. Try and do it and the next day you do it. You're going to be even better. We were talking briefly before we got up here and you mentioned that having your son just put a lot of things into perspective at love to know what those things are yeah. I we know as being very ambitious. He knew sometimes. My mom said to me about a year gorgeous like semi. When is this all going to stop. You know just like you building another studio a new building the app panera adding live classes. Do the app and you doing too many things that one person can't do and i might well. It's never gonna stop. 'cause i always i'm so passionate about health some wellness. I'm passionate about helping people. I'm passionate about spreading the love of dance and love of self but i think since having oscar you know now. I'm like okay. It's finding the balance <hes> but but family comes first you know my work will be there. Ed and i have created a most incredible team. A couple of them are in the audience now katy and katina and jillian and vicky and hedgerow and joachim ahir <hes> that you have to surrender now and allow <hes> is that the app that some epa music yeah l. Let's put that sounds like the apps. Actually we have to do is download it from and it's good buddy by simone and you get a fourteen day free trial. I'm not using this as a place for commercial but i am you should honestly get. It's the it's the greatest thing i think is the best about better nutrition to lavelli leveque cou. You ladies are actually introduce me to you. Ladies is incredible. She does all the meal plans and the recipes and it serves so you've got. That's never been done before an app. We've got the fitness and the <hes> recipes and health and nutrition as well but as the saying if you only wanna do ten minutes so you to stay scared to dance. It's good to be able to do it in your heart and put ten minutes of dance have a little practice and when you feel good and you've mastered that they need to come to class and you'd be like up the the front. I know this one but i've lost my train of thought oh yeah so just creating a wonderful team that can help and support learning to surrender and learning that you know everyone else. Ask has got your back and <hes> i don't have to do it on my own anymore. You know and allowing other people to share the message and spread the word as well. I think that was that's a big thing <hes> as a woman you know you you like. I've gotta do this. Gotta prove myself but you know other people people that help you and that's that's the beauty of it. You gotta surrender enderle. Allow them to help you. I was beautiful. What's your favorite part of your self care routine. I know it may have changed with the babe probably sleep deep but i'm not getting that at the moment but i just can't share enough how important sleep is is inborn time view muscles to heal and repair your brain into be still v._m. Your mind stole the thoughts but probably that yeah meditating when even now i don't do the twenty my mid twenty minutes meditation because they don't have time so it's like five minutes grabber where i can but also just excise excise even if it means going for a walk outside just carvings and time for yourself uniform last question for me just curious you know it's important that we fuel our bodies for these intense workout so honey what has been your tried and true <hes> nutrition as to your every day yeah i mean people. Ask me all the time. What do you eat. Do you wait. What do you eat and we're so we're gonna ask what you eat. The thing is we're all different right and so you can't compare your meal plan to my put meal. Oh ban you know i when when i'm training properly the girls will know we workout for five six hours a day which is madness so we have to eat so much much more than the normal person you know. I eat a lot of protein. I know and i know jails vegan people here that don't wanna eat meat. That's fine right. Don't compare don't wants i this. This is the certain way that have to do it. You have to do what's best for you full. May i need to eight inner three meals a day in two sacks. I need to eat heavy protein to few my muscles to hate help. Rebuild them and leedle drink a lot of fluid and then david. We know we're drinking propel today. Everybody drinking lots of propel water. <hes> you know trying to eliminate the sugar but i'm a woman and i love sugar and i really chocolate biscuits for breakfast. It happens but i think just you. We're all intelligent. It's just about you know eating. Well eating real food eating whole food eating organic when you can my biggest thing is you you pick up something from the supermarket bucket and you don't know what that is on that label and you can't pronounce that word dr needed yeah like be like a caveman cavewoman eat real food wherever if whenever you can fruit and vegetables you know grains proteins chicken fish meat where it was smart intelligent right. Don't stop yourselves is no. There's such thing as a diet when you actually stop yourself. Slow down your metabolism then. You're gonna crave something. If in this like a kid tele kid they can't do something. What are are they gonna. Do they gonna do it. Tell you self oh. I can't eat that ice cream. You're going to binge and then you're gonna eat the whole tub so it's just really mindset but yeah just eat well folow kelly leveque email plans. Get the app because there's great recipes in their fair so great yeah listening to your body and that's great advice. Thank you so much sir. Thank you thank please if you haven't tried a body by among class we highly recommend it's just so good to be in your body and follow out body by hi simone and your personal instagram is he's at body by smile. Okay buddy all right guys. We'll see you later have a wonderful day guys having me ladies thank you so much for tuning in to the almost thirty podcast live at propel co labs this summer m._r. in l._a. We will see you on the next one you can connect with us at almost thirty podcast dot com and almost podcast on instagram <music>.
He Will Never Leave You
"Hi everyone this is. Tammy on her where they don't priceless in. Today's podcast is title. He will never leave you. So this'll be a journey podcast. So i'm going to give you different. Bits and pieces of a story and then at the end it will all come together so My grandmother a right before my grandmother passed. I can never remember if it was the day before. She passed away or the week before our grandmother will we found. She passed away on monday. So i remember either. It was the sunday before she passed the week before it. Either way i went up to the front and a passer spoke over meals a prophecy and he said kept saying over and over guy said he will never leave you. Who will never leave. You never leaving so the next thing. I know my grandmother passed away and my man like you know immediately. I felt this stole my connection to god had just basically left and my grandmother was like my Mature leader everything and She was just everything to me. But my connection to god like every time. I usually had an issue or problem not saying. I didn't go to gaza. But i usually. I knew that if i needed a prayer to get through. I had to go to my grandmother to get that done or i also new the gospel to her or so at the end of the day. Obviously if something happened. I go straight to my grandma but For a little bit of a backstory even on that how. I really knew it was like one time. I actually got involved with this guy. And he was definitely. Oh wrong side that attracts with somebody definitely should not dated and She knew about it. Or whatever but either way We were on the phone and she ended up praying over mean over the situation in basically praying this person away from me and it like immediately. I felt like because it seemed as though there is this dark cloud over me immediately. After she pray for me it was like the dark clouds subsided. I felt better light. Everything like you know. I mean because that's how you feel. Like i knew that she had a strong connection to god so that was my thing in as soon as she passed away. I felt like my connection to god was gone And there was this other time right before my break. It was like two months. Before my break-up i went to church. Another prophecy happened and I was told guys. Say you're going to have a hard time but everything's gonna work out and i'm like okay like you. I mean and that was the only instructions two months later. Here we go. You know having to start over from scratch and all this other stuff and once again god warned me beforehand out. Keep going with the story. There was another time. I was praying and crying. And i'm like i was just wants the same thing that guy said. He told me. I have a hard time. So keep that in mind. And i'm praying and crying god and he was like he told me he said You're crying over something. That i have already worked out in a way. Okay like li- is is basically a do i get off the floor because okay so that was another time. Keep that in mind and just recently. i was going through something and i'm saying my god. Where are you like. That's our relationship on my. Where are you see. You hear you what i would do you need to do. What do you want me to do. And i was like. Can you please spell it off. Because you know i mean drought the guy i need for him to be specific and you know what do you need to. Do you spell it off me. Se les mis this that myth And the funniest thing. I got my answer. He said rest and i seen the words spelled out rest in i seen somebody lay Land in the bed or something like that and it was like oh and then immediately like i felt better in everything because i basically got my answer from guy rest so to put that all together the thing is god never said. He wasn't going to be there when i had a hard time. He never he told me the other time that i could basically get off the floor. Stop crying because he's already worked it out and he also told me to rest so if you look back over everything immediate at the first thing that i stated was that guy said he will never leave me when my grandmother passed away. You'll never leave me. He told me before. I even had my break-up two months. Before i even went through anything. He told me. I was going to have a hard time. He warned me but he never said that. He wasn't gonna be there for me in those situations and even like say recently. I'm sending over like guy. Where are you in in this. That neither a he's rest so the thing is is not that he's not there. You may not hear from him but his not that he's not there. He's still working on your behalf. So don't be afraid when you don't hear from him or anything like that realized that he still there and maybe he just needs for you to rest so he can just do the work a lotta times we wanna put everything in our own hands and we wanna sit out there and we wanted to maneuver this and that and it's like oh god it's taken too long in this that and there's i'm putting my own hands and once and i will let you know do not do that. I've did that many a times. And i've messed up a lot of things and i saying that guy can't make your mess masterpiece and all this other stuff At the sometimes you don't have to go down to detour. You don't have to go down a path you just need to sit down and just rest and let god do what he does. Best the thing is he's not far from you. He's next to you. But we automatically want god to tell us every little thing that he's doing and that's not something he's gonna do. His plans are above our places. Mayes is way above rs. And when i look back over my life in everything that happened there was things that would done. There was no way that i could have done those things. No way that i could have thought of those things. God planned everything strategically we have to put these in his hand and for someone who might be going through something right now. I want to give you encouragement. That i know if feels like you are alone. I know if it was a no one understands you. i know it feels like just. You're basically by yourself. I want you to know that. God understands you. You're not by yourself. And i know you may not be able to hear from him but still talk to him. Have that conversation. Because i promise you. He'll talk back he'll be there for you. He'll give you that comfort which you have to ask for it. He's not just going to force himself or on you. He's not gonna just sit up there and just basically take over without your permission. He's not like that. But if you tell him i got i just need you right. Now you'll give you that comfort. He'll give you that piece that you need and i am that you're not gonna go through as like i said he told me i was gonna go through stuff. But he never said he wasn't gonna be there. He told me even before. I went through anything that he was going to be there. He said he was never gonna leave me. He warned me before. I even had a break-up hard time anything and even in the midst of the storm. He told me that. I was worrying about something that he already worked out. And then when. I really didn't know what was going on in my life. He told me to rest in the midst of storms rest. He has everything under control. We just want to know everything or we just want him to say something or tell us what's going to happen or whatever 'cause you know sometimes you even watch movies. You know that goes and something happens. Like where do they go. What did this happen to you know. We're asking a lot of questions and movie is going to be revealed to you when the time is right you think about it. You don't leave a movie. You might have certain questions about why someone did something but usually at the end of the movie in less. Ah to be continued. If i you know how it ends basically because you see the end of the movie so that's the same thing with life. If that may sense. God may not tell you every little detail will as you go. God is directing you in the path where you should go. He's not done with your stories not over for you. Even if you're going through a storm right now is not over for you. So be encouraged and just the thing guy told me when i was on the floor crying. You're going to he. You're crying over something that he's already worked out has great plans for your life is not over for you. You're gonna make it much further than you ever imagined. You just gotta keep going. You end the story in the middle of you. Don't you don't end movie in the middle. You don't know what happens. So don't give up in the middle. Let guy workout everything. He's not gonna leave you. And i know that summer you've you've been through. Everybody has been through stuff where people have said that they were going to be in your life and they're not in your life and the people that you thought it was going to always be there. They're not there and stuff like that. God is not like that. He didn't create you for you to fail. Yes you're gonna have hard times. But i he said to me they're all going to work out for you and i'm not all the way on the other side but he didn't lie. He didn't lie. Like i've i would tell you like just right here right now. At this moment he did not lie. This is what almost four years later. He didn't lie. I was going to have a hard time but everything did out. I was crying over stuff that he worked out. He did not lie. So i am a witness to that and so i wanna give you that encouragement. I know you might be going through something. I know that may not seem. You can't see the other side. You may not see it light right now but i want you to know that it's all going to work for your good and as well as god is with you. He's not gonna leave you in the middle of a storm. He's right on the boat with you. He's going right through the whole situation with you. So no the god is with you. Always he's never gonna leave. You never gonna forsake you. You don't have to think about him as you think about other people were you know. 'cause you know a lot of times people will leave you in for sake. You but god isn't like that he didn't create you to fail. He has a great plan for your life. So keep going keep fighting. No the god is always with. You know that you have worth you have value got loves you. I love you thank you so much. Listen to this as always know that you are worthy worth inner priceless in until next time bye.
Joy, Peace and Compassion for Ourselves and the Planet - Mi Shebeirach
"So let's start with our meditation. Find a comfortable seat. If you're standing bats okay if you're lying down that's okay but whenever position your body's in noticing where it's making contact with what supporting it and then if you feel comfortable gently closing your eyes if not just a gentle downward soft focus so that you're not disturbed by anything in your referral vision and we're GONNA take three nourishing breaths in through our nose and alterra mouth together and we're GONNA breathe in for four. Hold it for four and breathe out for sex now let your breath find its natural rhythm noticed where you find your breath most easily could be tippy. Your nostrils could be the rise and fall of your chest or the rise and fall of your belly but wherever you notice it most easily. You're seeing and feeling your body breathing in and your body breathing out Resting your attention on your breath A little many body scan just to make sure that you're relaxed relaxing from your forehead your eyebrows relaxing down your jaws. A slight smile to the outside corners of your lips dropping. That smile down into your chest noticing how your one precious heart feels today dropping down in tear abson releasing into your seats feeling supported letting relaxation flow down your legs to your feet softening your hands. You may want to place a hand or hands where you find it soothing. It might be your heart or your face or your belly. You're hugging your arms just as a reminder that you're giving yourself compassion right now. You've Cairo felt the special time for yourself really. It's a blessing and then when your hands are weary just relaxing them and releasing them where they lie could be your could be your lap face up face down doesn't matter rusting your awareness. Sign your breath once again now calling so mind an individual that brings you joy an individual when you call this being up into your minds. I. It's very difficult not to smile. What color is this this being have? And if it's a dog or a cat what color for how does it feel as a human being what color skin tone and the classic phrases to be repeated in your mind over and over can be substituted by your own loving kindness phrases if you have them the classic phrases being bay you be safe may be happy? May you be healthy. And may you live with these? These blessings going round and around or so easy so easy to bestow upon this being that brings you joy. Shame you'd be safe. May you be happy. May you be healthy. You Liberties Now talking yourself into that photo noticing for a moment how it feels to be in close proximity to this being. That brings you joy. No social distancing no masks gloves just right there may we be safe may be happy. May We be healthy. May We live with these. Just like all beings wished to be safe and free from suffering soda. We Now knowing that these blessings are shos too good to keep to yourself opening your circle of compassion to include others categories of people continence specific people friends and family doctors and nurses essential workers. It becomes More of an abstract guided visualization. Where you're painting you can paint the whole globe with loving kindness phrases pouring the blessings out of your heart may be safe. May We be healthy. May Be happy. May We live with these All this goodness pouring out of you takes a little bit of energy and bandwidth and so now you get to narrow your focus to yourself here with miss seeing and visualizing yourself and filling yourself backup may be safe. May I be healthy we? I'd be happy with these filling yourself back up so that you can be of service. May I be safe? I'd be happy I'd be healthy. Demand Live with these Now staying in the mid meditation but letting go of the words and taking in this poem a blessing for the senses by John Donahue may your body be blessed. May You realize that your body is faithful and beneficial friend of your soul in. May you be peaceful joyful and recognize that your senses are sacred thresholds. May you realize that holiness is mindful gazing feeling hearing and touching may your senses gather you and bring you home you may your senses always enable you to celebrate the universe and the mystery and possibilities in your presence here may the Aeros of the earth. Bless you now as you gently you're is. I'm going to share my screen so that we can sing a blessing together. But I'd like to have this experience with you just with a thumbs up. LemMe see if you can see them. You should bear on the screen. Okay and here we go. This is for the planet for ourselves Tain like a stall be singing together. Makore Habra Li Mo now may the source of strength who blessed the ones before us. Help us find the courage to make our lives a blessed game. Let us say Man He you know Jane Makore Ha Bra. Do less those in need of healing with food. Shlaim Ma Renewal love bide he the renewal of spirit and led. Us Say And Okay thank you.
Why arent Ghosts Naked mp3
"Welcome to kiss myths and mysteries. I'm your host kit. Chrome says i began my month long. Look at ghosts. I started getting emails with questions. Most the questions had a similar theme. Something about ghosts beings buki or the difference between a ghost and poltergeist as parrot and abandoned she but one question stood out. Why are ghosts naked. When i saw answers the main response was that this was proof that ghosts weren't real. Because how could they possibly manifest. Close still there are just too many sightings of ghosts and i kept pawing digging through him finally in north carolina. I found a naked ghost story and this is recent. This is right up to today. Perhaps something to throw in the face of skeptics now like most ghost sightings this naked boy was cited by any number of people that didn't know each other always seen in the same place about the same time and yes always naked. Well the story is about. A group of boys chose a bad time to go swimming. There had been a bad storm up river a few days before and the usually calm french broad was flowing more swiftly than normal that gentle eddies were. The river flowed over the boulders. Lying in its bed had become dangerous undercurrents. They had also ventured out late in the evening. Sun was already heading down as they. I swam into the water. The boys were playing and laughing and not noticing that they were floating further and faster down the river the newsreel when they noticed the light was really fading and they had drifted down to too close to the piling of the craven street bridge that crossed overhead over the french broad river where the water was flowing in dangerous rapids around the bridge. They realized they needed to head home and they also realized that one of their party was missing. The boys begin a frantic search for their missing friend. They called out his name. Dove underwater sat one of their number running for help as neighbors came down. A frantic search was organized posts. Were set out on the water and lanterns lit up. The river tonight grew deeper. They sadly realized their chances had run out. They made the choice to call off. The search boats would be sent out in the to dredge the river but even that was to no avail. The poor child's body was never found but soon after the boy disappeared some of those traveling across a bridge at the time. When night fell begin to speak of seeing something strange. They said they saw a naked boy running across the bridge but many couple said that when they called out his name or even ran after trying to help him that he would vanish into thin air. Naked go something of a rarity in american folklore. Although the topic of li- goes work clothes has been a surprisingly hotly debated one in the history of religion and the belief in the supernatural those arguing against the possibility of the spirits of the dead returning to earth. How presented multiple variations on the premise. That if a ghost is dead appearance of the soul honors for goes to be clothed that means the clothing must also be possessed with some immortal element capable of returning to earth turns out that of all the thousands of sightings most ghosts are perceived impressions that is to say a ghost may manifest as a coal spot an orb glowing orb or assert their presence by moving things now on a personal note about forty forty one forty two years ago. I worked for television station and went out to montana's custer battlefield to do a story. While i was taken down in the basement where i saw many of custer's personal possessions. I was also introduced to a ranger. Who said that for a number of weeks. When she first woke up there would be a soldier. Standing at the foot of the bed obviously weren't close. Uniform of the seventh cavalry. She said your conclusion must be that some ghost where close some do not why the answer goes back to my grade school years and the many strange questions us kids ask each other and the answer usually was because figure that one out. This is kit chrome. Thank you for listening.
"I'm shy. Today provide you with indepth news and expert analysis ten the who story hunt, the bigger picture for you, the news you want to know only on today. You're listening to today. I'm we Premier Li challenge as China's determined to keep its major economic indicators in the proper range he made her remarks at the great hall of the people following the annual session of the national legislature, the premier emits. China's economy is facing new dour pressure against a larger backdrop of slower economic global economic growth is China continue continuous Tex reductions and fee cuts foster new economic drivers expand market access and boost of Tallahassee of the country's vast number of market entities. The world's largest developing economy said the twenty nineteen GDP growth ranch between six and six and a half percent. So now for more in depth analysis of the Chinese premier's press conference were joined institute by our current affairs commentator, Victor gal and Michael powers Zurich insurance group professor of risk and finance at seeing university. And also, you can watch a live webcam broadcast of this discussion on Facebook, just search for China, plus news, you may wanna post the questions you want to ask there, and I will pass the questions to our guests. And also you can download our podcast simply searchable world. News analysis, apple podcast or any other place. You get your podcast for previous episodes and more topics. And now that's began our discussion, I think we can begin with the first question Premier Li answer this morning about China's macro economic development, so Victor, what can we tell about the major approach of the Chinese government to deal with this downward pressure from this morning's press conference. I think as prime minister Likud mentioned in the press conference. The Chinese cover is fully aware of the risks and challenges in the current economic situation in China, and the Donna would pressure is real on the other hand, I think. Premier Li could also demonstrated a high sense of confidence in not only being fully aware of the risks. But also being able to stay on top of the difficult situation. Indeed, it is true that the slowing down of the Chinese economy is generating another pressure. All many other parts of the world, mainly because there is a concern that that demand in China will shrink leading to less demand for products and commodities and raw materials in other parts of the world of therefore, I think primarily cajones remarks, a should serve as a vote of confidence for investors here in China and also equally importantly for investors outs out of China that the Chinese economic growth will be maintained at a higher or brisk rate at about six. Percent to six point five percent in two thousand and nineteen. And this compares very positively with a girl threats of almost all the other major economies in the world is specially on the basis of an ever increasing size of Chinese economy. So I think more or less I'm very confident about the economic growth prospect despite of the gradual slowing down of the growth rate eight itself. So Michael, what's your reading of the press conference? And how is the Chinese government planning to do to put the growth target of between six and six and a half? While I I would I agree with Victor. I think that the the government is indicated that it's a wear the the issue the cooling of the economy, but it's not interested in taking a dramatic actions or desperate actions. But rather actions that are are well tar. To the issues at hand, and that will address well will address the most effectively I think that in particular Premier Li made it clear that the emphasis will be on the fiscal side fiscal policy rather than monetary policy that they the government will be look intending to provide some tax relief for companies in particular through the VA VAT that tax system, and that it also is very focused on maintaining employment and providing new employment for the millions of people that will be entering the workforce. In the coming year. I believe that the estimates are somewhere between ten and fifteen million new employees will be joining the workforce. And I think that Premier Li indicated that although the initial prediction was the China would create about eleven million new jobs. More recently government has come to believe that it would be somewhat in excess of that preps closer to thirteen million on available. And I think that it's through the consumption that will be driven by by full employment or fuller employment and by the ability of companies to invest and expand prizes because of some tax relief. There is really expectation that the economy will cool somewhat. But it certainly will not fall below the range that the government is predicted we'd touch upon several points made by maiko in the later part up the show, but I talked about a bigger picture. We know it's a consensus among Chinese policy makers for in the longer term which fry to a market driven economy, which will make the market play very Akiro as Victor what kind of reforms are still needed to realize that like long term goal. Well, I think one theme very positive about the. Situation here in China is that Noah here is complacent. And I think all of us firmly believe that continue the reform and opening to the outside world is absolutely necessary for the continued growth of China. Now, it's very encouraging that in this overall context of this session of the National People's Congress adopted into law, the foreign investment law, and this is absolutely very necessary at this particular moment because it brought in several major changes in the way, how the foreign investment into China will be regulated I of introduced the negative list mechanism. So that foreign investors will no longer a worry about getting approval, for example, if they will investing areas, not restricted by the legacy of list, Secondly is very encouraging Navarre investments of all kind will get equal treatment as other. Forms of investments, including the stick state on enterprises, for example, private at the private prizes in China, and this will truly level the playground for foreign investors into China. It's very encouraging to see that there is a lot of ackknowledgement of the importance of foreign investment into China over the past forty years and continuously going forward, including investment as privileged. How mentioned from China's Hong Kong Macao and Taiwan promise. This is one of the examples to show that the Chinese system the Chinese government need to continue to work through arduously and relentlessly to make sure that the foreign investments into China will be well received and will continue to provide a pillar for the continued economic growth in China. So Victor mentioned this opening up side of the story. Michael. What's your? What kind of a long-term reform measures taken? I think that with regard to certainly with regard foreign investment, China is has been moving in this area. Year-by-year month-by-month really in a consistent manner over time people that you know, commentators might attempt to connect connect to recent policy change recent policy development to trade tensions. But really if one looks back at the past few years and sees the developments that have been occurring. Even prior to the advent of the Trump administration in the United States, one sees that there is this this continued opening it's very natural progression. And it comes about because China is a developing nation. It happens to be the world's second largest economy, but it's a developing nation, and as a developing nation, and it has to take or it had had to and has still has to take certain steps to protect its domes-. Attic manufacturers and industries, but over time they can relax and this has been done in a very conscientious methodical way over time. So I think that with regard to foreign investment and leveling the playing field. We are. We are just realizing the the the fruits of a long term plan in terms of persisting with reform of the domestic economy and the promotion of private industry development of private industry. I think they're also on some very good signs coming out of this meeting. And that what we will what we see is that it certainly is is high on the government's agenda to to provide tax relief perhaps to stimulate to stimulate investment by providing some on relief through through the lending of money in banks on route. Changing reserve requirements targeted changes targeted interest rate changes and so forth to encourage private businesses, especially small businesses to develop to invest in develop in the next year. So when we talk about this, a general picture of at least short term economic development, one popular question asked by our listeners that what about investment, especially basic infrastructure investment? If now we're talking about the increasing importance of consumption and also a Detroit and certainty surrounding China's export so Victor, how about the importance of investment how to stabilize at least. I think. Of the pasta ten years. Also, the three pillars for the growth of Chinese economy is investment, foreign trade and consumption. So I think investment, especially investment in infrastructure has always been very important pillar of the China's economic growth together with consumption and foreign trade now in terms of foreign trade China's experiencing some ahead wing, especially because of the pressure raised by the United States in the tire tariff war trade war against China. And this trait was still going on, and we hope Chinese government and the US government who will work together to put some of the pressures behind us. So that we can restore some kind of normalcy to sign oh, US trait. Nine terms of consumption. Absolutely. The Chinese consumer market is already becoming the largest consumer market in the world. And. I think the depth and the width and the sophistication of the consumption marketing China need to be further readjusted because I personally believe there will be increasing demand in the Chinese consumption market for more and more safer better and more sophisticated goods and services in terms of investment, especially in terms of the infrastructure investment. I'm firm believer that beauty up the infrastructure. The connective is for example, in all parts of China is really a recipe for more and more sustainable future growth in the country. These very large item investments will probably provide a growth potential for the Chinese economy for the coming fifty to one hundred years this will really make China small in terms of distance foster in terms of the shrinking. Of time in moving goods and services, and ideas and capital of from one place in China to another place in China. And I think this truly accelerates the growth potential in China, and we'll make sure that the economic efficiency in the country is much more enhanced with better connective. So I'm a firm believer and a great supporter of these very large item infrastructure investment projects. So Michael, what's your take on this like to what extent are we readjusting the relations between among the three pillars? I think that we're we're I would like to pick up from from victims comments is as to episode is that the government continues policy of heavy investment and infrastructure in the rural areas of the country and the rural areas of the country still hold a huge population and population offers potential, demand and. Demand for products that will will help to boost on the economy in the years to come. So I think that what what we what we heard from from the meeting is that the government plans to to stimulate demand for for goods and services in in the rural area to continue to invest in infrastructure to stimulate demand of in particular to provide more access to online services. So that purchases can can be made online and the same types of opportunities. That are currently available to us living in Beijing are available to people living in the countryside. I so I think that those those areas are very or that airing particular the rural areas, very important terms of stimulating demand and overall the pillar of consumer demand is extremely important and very prominent at the at the moment, and I think that what we will see is in addition to to the. Things. I already mentioned the government is going to be providing. Will be providing various types of subsidies and trying to prioritize the development of certain injury in industries such as a new technology vehicles, energy efficiency, and so forth. Thanks, and that's actual right here. In the next segment. We'll address some specific issues we mentioned in the first second about China's macro economic development, your Ning to tonight, stay with us. China. Plus dot cri dot CNN is your home for everything you want to know about China. The latest news in China and everything China-related from around the world. Everything can focus all in one place bringing you vital information feel business and travel Chinese culture language, learning and mall, shine, plus dot, CO dot C, N, China, plus dot cri dot C, N your portal in today's middle kingdom. You're listening to today were discussing China's domestic issues and also it's foreign policy. Now, let's talk about this text cod and fee reduction. We mentioned in the first segment so Victor Premier Li talk about this this morning that it will be implemented in coming month. So how effective do you expect those policy their impact on the private sector award small businesses while I do hope the policies bounced by primerica channel this money will be in. Implemented very faithfully. And the results will be very well felt in the business communities on the other hand allow me to emphasize that the burdens on the Chinese companies, especially for the smaller ambience is the privately owned enterprises are very onerous. It's not only the income tax. They are faced with, but also, including all the tariffs and charges, and is that the varies government entities tend to Levy on these enterprises, and I think combined together the tax and the levies and charges of fees. For example, actually, add up to very large button on these enterprises, especially for smaller, medium sized the privately owned enterprises. And I think it is time for the government to take very affirmative measures to make sure that the burden on the 'co-. This will be lessened and the companies will really be immense. Painted for example, at least their overall Burton should be comparible to for example, the US companies after the massive federal corporate income tax reduction because otherwise a we are really putting up so much burden on the Chinese companies or eventually, their efficiency and productivity will be severely handicapped. Not only for production here in China. But also, especially in terms of competition with their counterparties in other developed countries so victory mentioned implementation. Do you foresee any particular difficulty what challenges when it comes through the implementation? I of course, there will be difficulties for example in China because the countries so bake, and we have a structure of the central. At the top provincial government in the middle. And then city and local government on the third tier? Don't forget. Each of these provinces the size of a country in Europe, for example, in many other parts of the world, and sometimes the central government makes the right decision. But there is a kind of attempt at the regional level or the local level tried to succumb spent the central government's decision and tried to really wiggle their some rooms into the experiment implementation of these policies. But eventually the end result is that the culprits actually find themselves very helpless in dealing with these very excessive burdens on the companies, and eventually, for example, some of the companies have to close down all reduced staff. They have for the employment or. Even for example, sometimes state into relocate to some other countries. So I hope the policies and decisions announced by Premier Li Chang. First of all be very much faithfully implemented and the government should not stop here. The government should really size up the situation ongoing basis and really come up with more tax incentives. So that the Chinese companies of all kinds, we'll have a much less Burton im- going forward in doing that business and also in terms of competing with that counterparties in other parts of the world. Right. So my other challenge, I can think of is when we talk about this tax cut. We can imagine. There will be less fewer fiscal revenues for government. Not just the central government Republic, probably different governments from different levels. So how is the Chinese government trying to go with this? A situation or just to step back moment provide a little background minder standing is that actually last year. There was also a an intent to to lower taxes and to to grant relief and the the the tax relief was provided. But at the same time the collection mechanism was performed. And so that tax companies that hadn't been paying what they should have been paying in the past. We're being brought up to date, and we're we're paying the appropriate mounts. The government had made some improvements in the system that the victim was just talking about on the several several level system with cities and provinces and so forth. So the collection mechanisms should be improved. And there should be a now with with the indiv- indicated VAT reductions, which are which are well targeted. They're they're different reductions for manufacturing construction financial services. With with these reductions, I think that what you'll see is that the government does have the ability. To collect the taxes that that are in effect. And if there are lost revenues, they will they have very clearly indicated that the will be becalmed sitted for a couple of different ways one is by reducing spending in other parts of government, and that that's also difficult to implement, of course in any country. But my my my sense is that the government is comfortable that can achieve some some reduction in cost in those expenditures. And in addition, and what I think is very important favorable is indication that there will be transfers a fund from large so ease which which perhaps have received some favorable treatment in the past and have excess capital that will be traff transferred into the government revenue to to make up for lost. Tax dollar touch Renan be the come out of the new system. So victor. What's your take particularly Michael mation this methods to ask some SOS to transfer some money to to make up the loss at what you raise? The just now is actually philosophical question. One line of argument, always says that the governor need to collect more money and the government need to have a larger budget, for example, the need to spend the money for of righty of reasons, and if they collected less than they have less to spend and the people eventually will suffer, but the other hand there is another line of argument, which always says that the government actually does not need to collect so much money. They actually should spend less, and they should be more efficient. They should avoid the white elephant projects all the white elephant events, which cost so much money. Which are so ravage lavish, for example. And they should really practice frugality, and they should really avoid spending too much of tax payers money all these big item events now. And this line of argument always says that eventually the government reduces the burden on the companies or the individuals. Actually, you have the effect of creating a lodger pie. So eventually in do calls, at least the government eventually actually get more revenue coming in from the culprits off from the individuals. Now, I would say the immediate concern right now. The Chinese communities are faced with is that we need to really make sure that the people have enough money to dispose of by themselves, and the companies should have much less burden for example. So that they can increase their productivity. And then I. Donnelly would appeal to the cover nature's that they should avoid spending so much on some of the very much big show events, for example. So that we will achieve more or less the same results without over spending the money for the show of these events think of much that's rep up the first staff of oh program in the next half will continue our discussion about China's domestic issues and its foreign policies at our panel. Today's our current affairs commentator, Victor gal and Michael powers Zurich insurance group professor of risk and finance at the university. And also, you can watch a live webcam broadcast of this discussion. Facebook can just search for China. Plus news on Facebook. You may want to post your questions online and will pass to questions to our guests to to answer. And you can also download our podcast simply search for world. News analysis. On apple podcast, where any other places you get your podcast for previous episodes and more topics. You're listening to today. Stay with us. I am on Koch idea. I teach at the university in today has organized its programs, and it says on bringing in a lot of views from all over. It is an extremely good platform for information and analysis than I should all success in the future. China. Plus dot cri dot CNN is your home for everything you want to know about China. The latest news in China and everything China-related from around the world. 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You can watch a live webcam broadcast of this discussion Facebook and also on Twitter just search for China. Plus news, you can also post your questions there and will try to answer those questions and don't forget you can also download our podcast simply search for world. News analysis, apple podcast, where any other places you get to our podcast for previous episodes and other topics you may find interested, and that's continue our discussion about China's. Economic issue and other topic. We mentioned in the first half is this foreign investment law. They entire law was released actually earlier today. And I need doesn't take many long for anyone to finish the whole thing. So Victor, how big of a change does this law would make I mean to replace the previous separate laws in this room. Yes, I think the preparation for this new law has taken several decades actually of there have been preliminary proposals to all kinds of amendments or changes to the previous regulations Coveney foreign investment in China for years and this. NBC session. Finally, all the good work over the years combinations. In a good debate. Among the data gates of NBC and eventually passing this law as we just mentioned, I think there are two key provisions. One is the negative list provisions and the other one is the leveling of the playground for all kinds of enterprises, including foreign investments into China. Now. I personally believe this will really create a lot of predictability and transparency and freedom of all the enterprises coming from all parts of the world into China because they will no longer go through the so called approval process. They just need to make sure that the investments they will make in China. I'm not the prohibited on the negative list. Dow, let me just be very briefing, Driesen example, previously, for example. There was a rule saying any provincial government in China can only approve for investments up to thirty million US dollars for one single investment. And keep you mind we talking about these provinces which are imitators Najah than a country in Europe. For example. There are so many provinces like the tram province, her name province Cuando province Shandong province, for example, which have each population of more than one hundred million and to have these kind of revelatory approches on the pods on the Chinese provincial governments in their proving for investments now is very clear, it's a kind of unnecessary hindrance. And I think using the negative list will really free up not only for investors come into China. But also the government's at different levels in China. To be more focused on what the good at in doing rather than all the paperwork all the red tape, for example. And I think foreign investors will be much more Emagel when they do these investments into China soul. I believe this foreign investment law will become a new landmark in any challenge will really become a new enabler for investments, and this also demonstrates that this at this particular moment of China's growth, we fully acknowledged the importance of the foreign investments into China over the past forty years, and we want to make sure that the foreign investments are continuously welcomed and will become increasingly important because nowadays while we talk about for events. It's not only the money they bring in. It's also the technologies the technical know-how the brand's distribution network and the new way of. Of doing things are locking things. I think all these are absolutely what China will need in many years to come into the future. So Michael, how do you expect this will be received by other countries, particularly the business world, I think that will be very well received. And I think victims, right? This is a landmark and going to going back to something. I said earlier this is an indication that China believes that it no longer needs to protections for various domestic industries, even though it is still a developing Connie, but they're now creating this level playing field and apart from the negative list, which is really items that have more of perhaps national security strategic of concern, and aren't aren't there primarily for protectionist types of reasons the country is ready for for competition for a level playing full. Field and full competition. So I think that foreign foreign investors potential foreign investors, foreign governments will see this as a very positive step. But I think in addition to this the indication the statement by Premier Li regarding the technology transfer issue, and the fact that was not part of China's law was not part of the Chinese policy that that companies foreign companies would be forced to transfer technology as part of the joint ventures, and China, I think that that will also be seen very favourably abroad. And the fact that the the central government has as indicated an intent mechanism for dealing with infractions of that that that sort of forcing technology, transferring if a curse is is particularly important, and is something that that investors will look at very closely. As well as foreign governments. So at another side of the story. I can't think of like Mike just mentioned less protection and ready for competition. What about domestic players like Victor, how quick do expect? This will put more pressure on Chinese domestic players in. That's. There is a level of concern among domestic players because that has always been level of apprehension that once the country opens up the door wide of foreign participation. They'll be negative pressure on the domestic players probably will be faced up with more pressure. More competition, for example. However, I think we need to look at the situation in a different way that is philosophically speaking more competition there is the better it is for China as a whole and also it is better for the Chinese players why because no one in China shoot build itself into big room of protection of our example, set behi- wall of protectionism try to seek the level of safety all comfort in protected environment. Was we have more level playground? Once the country is more and more open to all kinds of competition, for example, including foreing competition, the environment of the business who will actually become healthier a more positive. So I hope our domestic companies will learn this not only from philosophical perspective. But also truly know that this is the time to live up to the expansion live up to the pressure from everywhere or any corner in the business community and the key to a better survival going forward is always a relentless endeavor and innovation and entrepreneurship and don't be afraid of competition from foreign parties coming to China. A welcome such competition as an opportunity and eventually a more competitive world will. Will generate a result of better qualities banter products, better safety records for any and all the players in doing business here in China facts. A little reminder for our listeners, you can also watch a live webcam broadcast of this penalty on Facebook. And also on Twitter just search for China, plus news, and also you can post your questions online, and we'll try to answer those questions, and that's move onto innovation. Victor just mentioned innovation and the first question is about the sharing economy earlier today, a Premier Li set when he comes to the several quite high profile like sometimes safety incidents regarding the sharing economy in China last year. He's he said when it comes to regulation of those new companies he said, not to let it be abut war. But instead of also not down once there is a problem. So Vetere, how'd you? See this approach of the Chinese government to regulate that the new economy. I think you probably are referring to some of the new phenomenon into business in China involving new business models, for example, in China from the government's perspective there is an eagerness to promote more innovations, and they actually tend to approve for new types of the businesses Neil concepts, for example, new business models, which emeny other countries of the government's all the regulators actually have a higher level of scrutiny against these businesses as primarily correctly Pontius out where you do allow these new business models to take place all even to flourish. There are both pros and cons. There are rewards as well as risks. And because many of these new business models. Completely new and the country all the consumers of the society at large enough for prepared or sometimes they don't even know what will be the downside of negative or damaging consequences. They will bring in. Sometimes we end up with some huge losses. Autism Astor's all business scams. For example. However, I think primarily giants also very correctly pointy out that the government should really be more balancing dealing with this on the one hand, I think China still need to really adopt a very on day shis way in encouraging these new businesses taking shaping China. But all the other hand, I think consumer protection and fraud prevention and info sment of all kinds and also a mechanism which can really spot some of the foul play mechanisms in these new business models should take. So that eventually while way, give them enough incentive to try and experiment with new ideas and new concepts. There will also be very speedy and effective mechanism to pick up the signals of foul play and eventually come to quick solution of these major problems to avoid major disasters all very bad consequences of for the Chinese consumers. Right. So Mike like Victor mention it's not just an issue in China. We know there is a debate in other parts of the world about regulation on those like internet giants were companies. So what's your observation of the approach of the Chinese government? I think that the the controversies that exist on the maybe the calls for regulation differ by country and differ by continent on in the United States. Their concerns about. Some of the the very big high tech companies and often they have to do with privacy issues privacy issues. But then also there their issues of monopoly and control of information and control of the use of information. And of course, then in those play with that in privacy. So that people actually calling to break up some some of the big players at the moment. I'm not sure how that's going to play out Europe has expressed. Concerns in the privacy area privacy has for the past. Couple of decades has been a bigger concern. I would say in Europe than it was in the United States. And and so they're probably that will be more of the focus than issues of monopoly concentration and so forth in China. I think that with innovation as Victor said there, and I it really depends on what particular industry are looking at and who the possible winners and losers are we have in the sharing economy the shared bike market, where investors lost a lot of money. I think many of those investors were actually quite well to do investors. And so perhaps if they are informed investors, and they lose money that's less of a concern that if they are small small retail investors in the area of online lending shadow. Banking peer to peer lending and particular on there is concern. And and there there have been a concern with with people lending investing. That are not such that is not such well to do wealthy individuals and in that area, it it's more important that the government play a strong regulatory role to protect the smaller investors. And indeed, that's what happened in that industry. And the government has taken some great strides to reduce the reduce the dangers just influence and the dangers of the shadow banking industry as part of its overall de leveraging effort, in fact, I would say that perhaps that area is the most successful in terms of reducing inefficiency of through through excessive lending. So I think that innovation. Yes. I think China is maybe because of of the maybe the civil Justice system. Item the nature of the regulatory system the stratification of government, but the the principal control from the central government of certain types of regulatory issues. I think that it can allow the development or experimentation of of certain types of products that other countries might be reluctant to do. And but at the same time, it it has the the ability to intervene much more quickly than some other countries such as the United States where the system requires often requires the use of the court system to accomplish a regulatory end, which can be accomplished in China much more quickly through the regulatory authority directly. Thank you very much before we enter our last segment. Take a short break. Here. Your distinct today stay with us. Breaking news and stories that matter to you twice on Twitter by searching for China plus news, where we'll share with you are up to the minute use in-depth analysis and livestream videos. Visit China plus news for your window on China and the. Hi, this is either Chang. The today's show brings experts local and international perspectives on China's economic and business issues having been in law governments and finance in the United States. I find China's economic and political evolution fascinates. And hope you do. Also, thank you for listening. You're listening to today. I'm sweet Chinese Premier Li Coachella meta press on Friday at the great hall of the people after the conclusion of this year's session of the Nash annual session of the National People's Congress. So this absolute where discussing China's domestic issues and also some of foreign policy. Our panel is current affairs commentator, Victor gal and mica powers Zurich insurance group professor of risk and finance at a team university. A reminder for our listeners can also watch a life webcam broadcast of this penalty scotch in on Facebook. And also on Twitter just search for China plus news, and now, let's continue our discussion since we're talking about innovation. I wanna bring up a topic five G a personal formation is that probably these days, we focus too much on the competitive side of the story of the five technology instead of the real benefits where maybe real business models five G cambering to the world to China. So Victor, what's your division? Of the case in China. Well, first of all five G, Israel, five G is coming and five G will completely reshape the whole world in terms of all walks of life, ending terms of how things are down by companies by society by the government or by individuals. So let's face up with this great megatrend and the realities. Secondly, there are Chinese companies in cruelty away, for example, which are indeed in the cutting edge of the five G technologies. Third point that me and allow me to make a five G as far as I understand will involve at least two aspects. And these two aspects are very much combined together like the two sides of the same coin that is one side is the infrastructure. The other side will be the applications which will be build our top of the applications now both are equally important. Let me give a point of my own personal observation too many countries in the world. Now, if you do not build up a very high-quality five, gene at work, the applications eventually you will add on top of the five G network will be gob age in garbage out. So those countries will eventually lose out on two fronts. First of all, you have less of a high quality and affordable and reliable and safe network to start with Secondly, all the applications you build on top of that will be sub quality now in five G because the more advanced than excel A-Rated speed and the seamless applications, you cannot really fault to be amiss by any chance in terms of. Let's say pilots, Dr pilotless driving, for example, if you're. Network is not really up to standard. If the applications are up to standard, you will be talking about loss of human lives. So I would say for all those governments which are really tried to use either protectionism to screen outset and company in favor of others, for example, or for example, out of desperation or ever seeing for example, instinct, they are really going to cause a lot of harm to their own country and to their own consumer. So I would say when mankind is all the threshold of with this going through the five G revolution. Let's be very objective. Let's be very much focused on the real thing. That matters that is a high quality network of five G and on top of that. All. All the relevant applications on top of the network to Mike. Oh, how'd you evaluate the potential of gene China? I think it's it's going to be dramatic. If I had any concern. My concern would be that. Perhaps as says, the technology is fantastic. It's a great step forward. If there's a concern, it might be that perhaps we don't yet have the applications for some for for some of the potential that's being offered. The biggest area where hear people talk about applications is in the so called internet things. Any kind of mechanisms that require not just rapid connect connective, but a constant dual back and forth collectively multiple connections to the same note. And so forth will be enhanced. So the for example, the the driverless vehicle or the driverless or the pilotless drone all of these things are now an experimental stages. China's doing it the United States is doing it Europe to doing it. But it will be the ability will be greatly enhanced in terms of the amount of information and the speed that the information of can be transmitted which will greatly reduce the potential for accidents and other types of of damage or inefficiencies that could result from the system. So I really think that we will begin to see a more use of of these interactive things these mechanisms that we can perhaps ourselves, but certainly as government or companies will be able to provide a through internet connections. We probably will be able to to access more and have control over more things through our smartphones much as somebody today might be able to control a drone through a smartphone. And that seems pretty remarkable. I'm we'll be able to do many things we'll be able to perhaps have much. Much better interaction with delivery service. We will perhaps be able to follow our package. A not just once it gets to the delivery person at the final stage, but everywhere through the process and not just by seeing something presented on a computer screen, but by interacting and asking questions moment by moment. I think that there there really are tremendous potentials of that will come about. And I think that re- referring to to something that we covered earlier in terms of the regulation that is is likely and that is needed. This is something I mean, one difference is of course, in terms of the technology choices that the different countries. Make and the competitiveness and other things that are involved with that. But in terms of the regulation, this is an area in which I think that there could be very dramatic differences between China and the United States because of the the nature of the civil. Justice system and the types of regulations that come into play when one is flying drone around or one is driving a vehicle around and they're human beings at risk. I think that the the ability to to introduce pilot programs and speedily improve this market is something that China may be able and our vantage the China may have over the United States. Thanks was have time to address a foreign policy question. This morning premier Likud shell made it clear he said, it's basically impossible to couple China and the United States, Victor, we understand that this general attitude. Well, I think primerica channels very confident of very balanced and very much composed in describing China's foreign policies as well. As for example, very important relations between China and the United States it also instructs level of confidence Premier Li. John himself as well as as represented by him, the Chinese leadership as a whole in terms of understanding the real crux of the better in China US relations. I think is very courage in that the Chinese leadership is very fully convinced that a nothing fundamentally wrong will happen between China the United States causing resulting in that decoupling of China US rations after all China US relations are very much intertwined with each other and the two economies are very much interconnected with each other and trying to achieve completed de-coupling will first of all not be possible for Secondly, it will be hugely damaging to the fundamental interest of the American people to start with but also of those will be damaging to the Chinese people. And therefore, I hope they'll be no one, really. Out of their decency or out of their mind in trying to pursue such a fraud the policy of trying to decouple the economy's all the society at large in China with that of the United States. It's a mission impossible. I think the better way as the Chinese leaders have described again, again is that whether you like it on China and the United States will need to learn how to get along with each other. Thank you very much. Unfortunately, that's all the time. We have for this edition of our panel. And I wanna thank our guests current affairs commentator, Victor gal and Mike appears Zurich insurance group professor of risk and finance at its university. And don't forget you can't download our podcast by searching for world news analysis. I'm so we have nice weekend.