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Short Stuff: Black Cowboys
"Hey and welcome to the short stuff I'm Josh and there's shock who knows where Jerry is but this is short stuff. So it doesn't matter because we can handle it ourselves with a little assist by our friend. Dave couse. Stain. Yeah. I don't think do we. We don't shout out Dave enough. Not Nearly enough as a matter of fact, just make this episode US talking about how Great Davis. Right the original black cowboy. That's right. But totally wrong. But it was a it was a decent attempt at a segue. Yes because we all know the original black cowboy was sheriff bartend blazing saddles. Yeah. I forgot about that movie that's a is that a good one I mean it's a classic it couldn't be made today. Sure. But you know written by Mel Brooks and the Great Richard. Pryor and think those one other writer. But yeah, they played that for comedy in that movie. But as it turns out, there were a lot of black cowboys in the United States in just don't see a bunch of movies and TV shows where they're represented Shaq Shaq but they I, mean there are some statistics that say. Twenty five percent or more of Al all cowboys. After the civil war in the wild west where these black men out there like how he stuff working hard roping cattle doing all the things that you see in the movies. Yeah like the idea from what I can tell from the research, is that the popular conception of cowboys and cowboy life and what cowboys did is fairly accurate but the the race of them in off that that the the just the fact that black people were not all represented among cowboys in the popularization of cowboy life. Back East is just that's the historical misunderstanding that apparently even before the civil war most black cowboys according to one historian of the American West, most of them most of the cowboys were black in that it was a job that was open to enslaved people basically and that if you were white, you didn't want to be known as a cowboy that. That job was potentially beneath you or whatever. Even though it was all about Bronco Busting, you know herding cattle and Lhasa Wing and stuff like that. All the stuff we think of with with cowboys today But that the that transition between being from something that may that was like beneath a a white guy out west to something that was a coveted title among white guys was when back East people started here about cowboys and say those that's cool. What a cool life, and then all of a sudden white guys were like Oh actually I I'm a cowboy now you can count me in. Yeah. I mean I think that that name at least according to this historian as racist in nature. because the the white workers wanted to be called cal punches or Callahan's. and. The black men were called cowboys and like you said once they once lor hit back east they they jumped on that cowboy train 'cause I guess that word took in it sounded cool. Yeah. The thing is I went and tried to corroborate that elsewhere because it makes sense if you take it from that standpoint that is actually cowboy actually has like a denigrating origin but I did not see that anywhere else and I couldn't find the difference between a cowhand and a cowboy. The are completely interchangeable from what I can tell definition wise. But I don't know maybe that just that at a molly got lost a history you know well, Larry Kelly's runs the Black Cowboy Museum Texas and Rosenberg. And we want to credit him with saying that since he's He's where we got it. Yep here. Larry here's the limb. Go out on. So the idea of by cowboys. Cowboys in general really kind of came out of this migration of southerners especially southern whites moving out West Texas for the chance for cheap land wide open spaces the promise of a new chance for a fortune because the south had had really become industrialized as far as agrarianism is concerned in Texas had a lot of opportunity especially if you're willing to push Spanish settlers and indigenous people from Mexico off of their land, you could really make make a name. For yourself in Texas, a lot of those white settlers brought enslaved people with them and they were the earliest black cowboys out there. Yeah. Because what happened was you know you're in Texas, you get roped into the confederacy and then these white people who moved out west co- back east to fight in the civil war they left the people that they enslave behind to keep the ranch going basically right and those that was sort of the beginning of the black cowboy movement. It really was what's interesting is that it was triggered by the civil war that that the civil war created that kind of niche and require in need sorry that need for cowboys of all stripes. But that they that typically fell to African Americans who who were doing this work while the whites were off fighting the war and then when the the war was over when. The the white confederates came back to Texas. They're like, Hey, I don't know if you heard or not, but we're free now. So you have to pay us for this work and because a lot of herds had been broken up loss, there was a lot of work to be done getting these herds back in order and getting Texas back up and running economy wise especially with cattle hurting. Yes. So maybe let's take a break and we'll talk about some of the more famous of these black cowboys right after this. Hey. Everybody. Today's episode is sponsored by the new Mazda C X thirty. 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So if you look at the history books in TV shows and movies, you hear a lot about. Wild Bill Hickok and any Oakley and all these sort of legendary wild west figures You don't hear as much about the black cowboys who were also legendary figures just in the same way like they would. You know some of them were bad guys who would shoot up a saloon and have a gunfight in the middle of the street at high noon. many of them obviously were just regular cowboys. He did hard work day and night rustling cattle some of them also chuck or even lawman to there was a guy named Bass Reeves who was the first? african-american Marshall US Marshal West of the Mississippi, and he had a thirty two year career and apparently was so morally unimpeachable that some people insists he was the the model for the. Lone. Ranger. Net. Crazy. It is. I have to tell you. I grew up on the lone ranger, the nineteen, eighty, two or three movie. Oh, the movie. Okay. Yeah. It inform my childhood is the TV show to a place that and everything that was a big time into the lone ranger. I. Watched that movie within the last couple of months it is one of the most boring movies I've ever seen in my life. Hold up does it I was like my parents must have been like what is wrong with this kid? This movie is just like watching paint dry. Five parts that are that are. Interesting and the rest is like just slowly stream together those parts is really weird and the the chemistry is like, Baking Soda and Baking Soda. Like, nobody has any. Like my it means that there's nothing hang. There's no reaction I. Tell You what I love about that movie is that that Color Blue of his outfit? It's The star of the movie basically. Yeah. Color of his hat to because it was white but it wasn't stark White House for this. White Yeah he had a tinge of badness to him. But I, guess not another famous black cowboy from back in the day was a man named bows I card He is in the hall of fame at the National Multicultural Western Heritage Museum, and Hall of Fame, God bless the people who founded that know and he was the right hand man to one Colonel Charles Goodnight. He was a big super successful cattleman in Texas and apparently if you've ever read or seen lonesome dove Larry mcmurtry. So sort of classic Western I never have the The character of Joshua defeats was based on him played by none other than Danny Glover who was not too old for that death. Who is what? He was not too old for that S. that's the big. Too Old for this s o those great joke. I'm sorry. Repeat it. That's all right. So there's another one named, Bill Pickett. who was a very famous Rodeo he he was one of the first african-american Rodeo men I guess and he invented the the sport of steer wrestling, which is where you ride up alongside a st year and growing by the horns and drag him to the ground us at least here it's really awful especially when you on you understand what he came up with just it's called bulldogging where is a technique that he would? Feel, the steer with pain by biting its lip and he was inspired by watching dogs, herd cattle. So he tried it himself. He's like this really works but. He was a genuine trailblazer in the Rodeo world and despite the fact that he was barred from competing in Rodeos even though he was among the best that Rodeos were segregated for very long time, and if you were an African American, Rodeo Cowboy you had to compete either late at night or early in the morning before the actual Rodeo started or else you might have your own rodeo altogether I mentioned outlaws. There was a man name I summer Isam Dart. he was an enslaved person who who went the other way and he was a horse thief like so many other horse thieves he would steal horses and cattle in Mexico drive across that big old Rio Grande River Selam off in Texas and like so many outlaws he was he was shot down by a hired gun in this case. Tom Horn. And I'm thinking of movies I think there have been a couple of movies where they. Did represent these black cowboys, but it always seemed like these movies were sort of A. Not, a trick but just kind of like a like stunt casting like you're GonNa make a movie with black cowboys how different instead of wealth is just like any other western because this is how it was exactly and I'm sure that they were all just left out of the history books because some oversight but I'm glad we're here correcting today. We're trying our best. There's also we would be very terribly remissed if we didn't mention the most famous black cowboy of all time one nate love known as Deadwood Dick and he's nat no, it's not I. SP- specifically saw in a couple of places in fight. Yeah. His name was he was born Daniel and I guess they just didn't feel like adding the which is significant because he was. taught to read and write despite being born enslaved has father taught him to read and write. So he was educated enough that he actually wrote his autobiography in one thousand, nine, hundred, nineteen, seven. I. I should have just kept it as nineteen seven that sounded kind of old timey but chuck I think you need to read everybody the the title and know that there is not single Colin founded. Yeah. It's life and adventures of Nat love and it's spelled NATO, in his. Autobiography Titus where it's nate. Well, I'm looking at the book cover. I. Know I'm telling you pronounced nate. Okay. But. There is no. I just want to point out to people. Live in adventures. Of Blank love better known in the cattle country as deadwood. Dick by himself colon a true history of slavery days life on the great cattle ranges and on the planes of the wild and Willey West based on facts and personal experiences by the author. There is a coal and I thought that was a semi colon. There's always a colon isn't there seems to be, but he was like you were describing like he would get in shootouts and he was kind of known as a abandoned her an outlaw in some circles but from what I can tell us just legitimate bona fide cowboy and he led a cowboy life like any other cowboy would fantastic. It really is fantastic. Very, very big self promoter like so many of those cowboys back then yeah for sure they say that they're not entirely certain where fact. Departs from fiction in his autobiography, but it's apparently a heck of a read. So go check it out. and I guess I said check it out, which means that that short stuff is out. It's out. Stuff you should know is production of iheartradio's how stuff works for more podcasts from iheartradio visit, the iheartradio APP apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.
The joy of a doorstop novel Isabella Hammad & Namwali Serpell
"Sir. Hello. And welcome back to the vintage podcast with me, Lena. Norms today on the podcast. We have a very special takeover at some Baker, incredible author journalist came into the studio to chat to authors. Sometimes, I think it's really interesting how this late discussion between especially to debut authors about what their books entail an getting that kind of back and forth bounce off of their reports of creativity and how they really have structured and built their novels. So we have Isabela Hamade a, an Morley's appel Isabella is the author of the Parisian on. Numb Walli is the author of the old drift. These are two incredible debut novels, and they are also pretty hefty, and which is really exciting to be able to know that you're going to spend my time in the book. I think it's really lovely. Sometimes when you get your hands around, really big book, and you know that it's not going to end for while for me fooling with short books is a short road to heartbreak because they finish. Fast. So they took in the podcast about that. And why long books are important and lots about heritage the meaning we bring two stories and how how they wrote these incredible books. So I really hope you enjoyed the discussion all at Sam take it away. I'm Sam Baker. I'm journalist at it's a novelist and around book nut. And I'm delighted to be guest hosting this episodes of interest pocus. I'm in a basement in Pimlico in rainy London. With two absolutely brilliant, office is about a hammered, author of the person, low Bella, and now Morley Cepal off of the old drift, which I have to admit I am like you can't see my fingers. I'm this close to the end. So don't tell me how. Not nice uses both. Absolute doorstops. But both five seventy pages. Is that right? We were saying seven six. Never say job. Well, you've got to read twelve hundred pages for book before you to your pet so I say. These books have so much in common and, and so much more income into rather than me binding on about them. Tell us about your stories where they come from think we start with you Isabella. Okay. Well, the book is about it opens in nineteen. Fourteen follows a young man who attack come out from the Palestinian town of Nablus. And he's on his way to the south of FRANZ to study medicine, the outbreak of the first World War, and the book is in three parts, first part is in France. And the second year when he returns to Palestine, and the Ottoman empire has been defeated in the war and Britain, and France of coughed up the Middle East and Palestine is under British rule. So it's about his life. He's very sensitive and eccentric. Manny continues to be infatuated with France living in this period of turmoil. Amazon Palestinians, are starting to fight for their independence and especially based on your grandfather is pretty loosely. I mean, they're kind of he was he was an Accenture guy in Nablus use known as the Aparicio's Albury, see so i-it had stories about him when I was young and I began wanting to write about him when I was a teenager than I've actually did. Yeah. So if it's but it's fictional. No, it's not a fictionalized biography. And tell us a bit. And I'm really about your epic story. So the old drift is a story about Zambia, which is where I'm from. And in trying to figure out the best way to tell the story of country, I decided to start with a graveyard. I encounter the old drift cemetery in two thousand and twelve in the game park at Victoria Falls. And it's of little crumbling to stones, and it's the last trace of a colonial settlement on the banks of the busy river from the late nineteenth century, where people from all over the world pitched up to try and make their fortunes and people from Germany, people from Chicago people from India, and I start with a British photographer in Percy Clark has DACA figure who came to that. Part of the world to try and make his fortunes and I put him into little conflict with two other historical figures, pure Pietro would see who was an Italian. I'm so glad you present stop because I was stressing having. And an a man named in glue bail, who Percy mentions in his bag Raphy, which is called autograph. You've all drifta, and these three men get caught in a tiny little Cathal and it ripples over the centuries. Over the course of multiple generations, three families and kind of swells down into four techs and ends up in the near future Zambia with three political revolutionaries were also any love triangle, and these three families are very racially hybrid. So I've characters from India from Italy from England and then also native bonds ambiance. And it follows the story of the country coming into being, but also traces the way that repercussions. Can follow an oblique path between peoples rather than the Montagues and the Capulets? You have these three families. Set in a cycle of unwitting retribution. It's so it's, it's such a fascinating book. Why was it that you used you decided on three families? I think I wanted again, not to have this direct antagonism between families, but to have this kind of opaque, relation and to do that, to have one family affect the second family, which affects the family, which affects the first family requires a kind of opening up of the geometry of, of family conflict. But I also wanted really to capture what I think of as the very cosmopolitan nature of my country, which, I don't think many people perceive African capital cities like moussaka in that way. But it was my experience growing up as a mixed race Ambien who went to an Indian school with the Buddhist sister. You know, to have these different cultural influences coming in. So to think about multiple families kind of intermarrying and also being engaged with each other in economic terms was away from me to kind of put a lens on class politics and race politics, in Ambien in the notion of family and. Belonging or not belonging is is huge in the Persia. That's well, it's not. Yeah. Mitte the protagonist is really struggling with the demands of family when he returns to Palestine. So I was sort of interested in, in Nobelists historically, though, have always been these three major families actually changed the names in the novel, but these three major families that were elites and also among the elites is the family matab Mary's into, so they're the, they're kind of family and closed. And I'm very much plan. Novelist continuing today. In fact, and I was interested in someone trying to navigate this as a young man in an upwardly mobile family mercantile, family trying to marry above him, essentially, while the entire structure is under threat from the outside. So what does it mean to be having to obey these essentially quite conservative patriarch gnomes, while everything is under threat. And what does that do to the family, and you know, and then things that have guy Pash eight? I mean the office. Palestinian families in general this, the faith based society, but the families really suffer and struggle kind of runs the -cations domestic. I mean how you when you first went Palestine. I went I went late the might my father didn't take a little I went when I was twenty one twenty and. Yeah. And I try and go for you. But because it's not easy to get into now. It's no it's noisy. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. Possible. Thirty Palestinians with impossible. How important was it to you tell the story of the country as well? It was important. You know it's interesting because when I began writing I really wanted to. For me. I know that I wanted to write something unpolitical, but I wanted to write the political act was to write about Palestinian, a different context, the way they usually trade, but was the as I began to learn and begun to understand the million, which this man actually lived that their lives with thirty political and that the Palestinian national movement began much earlier designs move much earlier. So this period that I had to sort of idea about as being sort of an unpolitical periods was very, very political, and it became very natural to write about history as I was learning about it, and kind of fundamental to understanding what, what it means to be this kind of character kind of a lover and sort of not necessarily that engaged in a time of war that was. He's a horrible cliche. He kind of is. And that's seems like another way that he doesn't belong. So he doesn't belong in. It's no spoilers site doesn't really belong in France. He doesn't really belong to Palestinians. None of him Fettes, really do you feel. I mean you've both actually spoken about the risk. Particularly you is about the responsibility, the responsibility as porn you to speak for a nation. Can you talk about that, that must be infuriating? Yeah. I think it's I think it's sort of in a way kind of interesting have at least twice on has asked me what the books about, and then I tell them the title and they say, don't you mean the Palestinian? But I think it's very indicative. Back to be Representative if it's from if it's from a place. In a way that is on. Maybe a few eighteen on some level, also interesting. And I feel like I was very conscious of that, well, writing sort of embedded in the novel this idea of what it means to be Representative. Mataya not Representative Palestinians, but he's Palestinian. And that dynamic, also interests me as well as being maybe something that I feel like I want to kind of confront in discussion around the novel is Stephanie in the novel as well. It's something. Yeah. I think to be Zambian to be of any country is to be ambivalent. And I'm American now as well. And I'm I'm built about that. And I think in some ways, the most American thing about me is that Deeb Lintz? I grew up in both countries didn't you? Yeah. I grew up in into eight and a half nine and then moved to the states and went my parents moved back in two thousand and two and so like it's gone back as much as possible since I was about twenty one twenty two every every other year. And I was also back for a year when I was fifteen which was really formative. I don't think I would have the same relationship with my country. I haven't gone back. But I think, you know, I don't really believe in the nation state, and the novel is very insistent. That is in many ways, an accidental nation, the borders drawn pretty arbitrarily. My mom had the story that the line went right through village and the. Chief stayed on one side and sent the chief tennis to the other side. And that's why with Eminem. So, you know that, but the in, in the upper left corner of the map of Sambi as authentic, and all right angle, which is the king of Italy was asked to arbitrate, and he just took a pen and drew a straight line two. Straight lines is the most unusual thing, the rest of voters riverine and you know, sometimes rivers. So, you know, to me, the idea of Lhasa wing, you know, seven major tribe, seventy two different dialects of speaking, people into one nation was a real act of hubris, but it's also quite ridden with the sense of opportunities contingency. At the same time, there's this pride, you know, ones Ambi one nation is what out I president can go on to set, and it was an attempt to unify a nation based on the fact of this, what I would think is generative era. Right. And then the novel very much about genitive era. But it means that, you know, when I think about what it is to represent my country. I'm representing kind of accident of history. But at the same time, I also feel very ambient. I feel like there is something very specific. There's a quitting to being culture that a lot of people don't know. So the way that I played with that I'm Bev lenses by calling it, the great zombie novel, you didn't know you waiting for with. A pinch of irony me, you've both been I've noticed both been described as Paul of waves coming out of your countries when neither of you from the I mean, you'll Sam but you're not from the West Bank. I mean, I've seen in fact was both the New York Times that she described you wave of Palestinian women writers, new wave of African women might I mean Kaci fate about that. Well, I think the specifically to the Palestinian situations like this massive so for number of reasons, refugees immigration sorts of things. So I feel like there's a very particular way that people talk about the Palestinian and what it means to say. You'll Palestinian sorta important thing, whether or not, you grew up there, and that is itself a political act act of commitment sort of sort of ethical in a way. So. So it's sort of almost doesn't necessarily have much to do with your, your papers or your nationality. Also, there's only Palestinian my dad inevitable, for example satanic, but it's an, an lots of people in that generation who took it on time to say, though, Palestinians, sort of compliance, very specific situation. So I guess that way thing to their most of our Palestinian diaspora of different events, neck make-up's, but they have in some ways that Palestinian as, as a specific that public act it's very similar to the kind of idea of the African women writers as ways because a lot of us live in the diaspora and also coming from Africa, which is fifty four countries. Yeah. I support by nature and I again, I think there's a sense in which there's a specificity today if you think of the kind of etymology of scattering the specificity of the granular quality of each culture, but there's also the sense of a amass you know, as warm, you know, a group of people, no matter where we are all connected virtually by the intimate. Now anyway, so I think my I I don't I don't reject the labels you know, that people try to apply to my work because I think there's only richness if we add more and more labels if that makes. Ambient american. I'm African woman. I'm a writer. I'm all of these things. I'm British my father's, British. I and you'll mothers partition. Yeah. So we I think we have some high to the to the to the imperial center as well. So I think you know, I also think all boats rise together. So if there's a floods I'm happy to be taught. Yeah. Brilliant way of looking at it. I wanted to talk about as I said the both of these books. Absolutely huge wants to talk a little bit about structure just a tiny bit, because you'll work is Bella has been covered in no small way to Flaubert and stunt and amazing nineteenth century novel, less and the person is it's old fashioned in its structure in a good. I mean compliment it, it is quite a classic nineteenth century novel. Did you out? Right. And that way, I didn't out with, with particular models in mind necessarily, but I had in mind the story and I and I had kind of like Inco eight nonverbal says. Sense of how I wanted it to feel as a large book, and the kind of trajectory fat. And I thought the design design is very important to me, and I think plotting can be they beautiful part writing doesn't, you should disdain plot. And I thought today is three act structure, and with a with playing with time as kind of facto of narrative prose, you know, how to use that fool is resemblance nineteenth century novels. Guess that's in the largely in realism in the massive characters. And in the way, that art of voice pose away those things kind of echo the nineteenth century, also, I think it's because I grew up reading of those vegetables. And I think these I suspect that once I novel is in some way, some large part of this quad, unconscious, you don't necessarily consciously cheese Allens of, and I think it would have come out of me because certain of those books where in me in a sudden. Do you know it would be long did not bologna? Did you know what belonging to? You started writing in two thousand. I was writing off and on. And so I wrote the first off and on for fifteen years. And I wrote the last two thirds of it in about a year and a half, which is says the two very different origin stories for the book and that sense. Right in terms of process. And so I have a hard time when people ask me, why did you take so long? I'm also that will why did I do the the end of. So I don't really know what, what the next book will take a, you will have a quiet classic really three I'ts. Yeah. Three parts book in three volumes. I guess, on something I always knew that would be the case because it was either going to be divided by the three families all by the three generations. And I ended up going by the three. Glad you went generation. I think it gives them a, you know, the one the one thing I'm not playing with in the novel is time, it's it moves relatively chronologically from the earliest beginnings in David Livingston supposedly discovering Victoria Falls all the way to, you know, the, the future. I think if you played with time that might just been been too much Shawn lot. Yeah. At one thing, absolately Lefebre, you mentioned how Bella how religious the person is. And, and I love the magic realism in, in the old drift. So this. So I'm going to I'm going to the hair now there's no way I can make half theme in both books which. Talk to me about Sevilla on and kind of the role that have plays throughout the tripped. Yes, so came to me as a character early on. And I think Sarai should just thought that Sevilla is one of the grandmothers amazing courage. So she's, she's talian, and she eventually comes to, to what is then Rhodesia, right in the fifties, right before becomes them in early sixties, and there was an Italian presence in Zambia building the Kariba dam, not learning about that. And also learning about Patrick of c who is her grandfather being the first hotelier of the Victoria Falls hotel was part of why I wanted to bring Italy into the mobile because they have this, the strand of Italian history. But she came to me, I as this go who's born covered in hair, which many babies, but her head doesn't go away at continues to grow, and grow, and no matter how much her mother and her grandmother, trim. It, it grows to full body length every day. And she just sort of appeared to me as, as in that form it's hard for me to explain where the medical real estate is come from. But I do think I'm interested in the interface of the body with the environment. So the parts of the body, like the eyes of tears with one character and hair that are both internal, and external that are both actually miss bit creepy alive and dead creepy. Yeah. Yeah. I think this idea of, there's a gothic aspect to these coaches as well. So you can think of them as fantastic, or as gothic, or as magical realist, depending on what mood you're in, and I decided to draw her hair into connection with another cultural historical anecdote that I read about in. I think the only two thousand which is a temple in India culture, Patty where they practiced Tuncer people shave their head and give the head to the God. But what that means in real life is that week factories get all this free had around the temple and they sell that head to week makers and also to places on the continent, like Zambia where women we've that or break into their own scalps, and so is really interested in this literal figure for. The interweaving of cultures in my country. So a lot of the dynamic action that happens between the three families culminates in a scene at a has alone. Tell you, we took all day at some see me. I have a lot of it. Harris, very important sme-. Let's talk a little bit about us about playing with us quite low of SF and science fiction and in the drift, you're quite insci- fiction. I am. Yeah, I have been for very long time. Sometimes a kid, and I sort of turned too often my canonical training in undergraduate and graduate study as a professor at UC Berkeley. I was given complete freedom to teach whatever I wanted. And I chose to teach a course I'm black science fiction and kind of rediscovered my love of sci-fi and which apparently I'm not supposed to say, Sifi SF, no science fiction, just asset. Yeah. I think so if anybody says Sifi I, I was gonna say the geeks, I won't say that because they'll, you've got to cut out. They'll kill me you have to say full, you're not true. Yeah true. Stand probably modem. Whatever you want your obsession a great love of all kinds of literature. And I think this something about the club ish about of, you know, around certain genres that I think prompted me to actually try to include multiple genres in the book, and as I was writing more. And more writers started to write books that were hybrids or juxtapose, multiple genres, like David Mitchell, or Jennifer Egan, or even the refunders life of Oscar while, so there's lots of different models that kind of came into being as I was writing the book in it, felt me nice to have this kind of companion texts that I could point to and say, look. I'm not the only one who's interested in putting magical realism social realism, historical fiction spy fiction, you know, science fiction all in one book. We you inspired by any of the writers in particular when you were working. The one that many writers, the I looked at specifically to learn things, though. I reveal the time reading is close to dreaming and often leads to writing, but they were did look at Mark as I was interested in people how different writers manage time mocha's in love in the time of Colorado, he manages time there thought that was very interesting. Both being compared to marquess. I'm in the presence of great. And who say mocha's is submerged. We always think was not lots of much at crops up. Those social chroniclers. I found that very helpful thinking about perspective. And also, how to delimit narrative that threatens to be sprawling into kind of overflowed bounds. The set myself merged we was Nablus. So I only allowed things that could somehow orally transmitted back to Nablus. Otherwise things at go. Multiplied a moat metastasized and go bigger and bigger so found that very helpful. And on the subject of we, we like very quickly. Let's took mosquito chorus. I love the core. Thank you. So from the beginning of the novel and every sixty pages also a chorus of a swarm of mosquitoes of merges to comment on the action to describe the kind of larger philosophical principles that being enacted by these, mere mortals, and to tease, the humans and also kind of give me a chance to play with language etymologically, and entomology and kind of doubt in that way. But I was thinking when I was putting that voice together, I was actually thinking about a different way, which is Sarma goes, which I think is kind of von killer. Like sort of, it's not a father figure. It's not, you know, a carry mother. But it's like kind of kindly uncool. You know, commenting on, on what's going on. Sprint whereabouts around that time, but I want to keep both to questions about books firstly what you reading now and Secondly, you're designed quit be would like to you. Oh, yeah. My does island book that I would bring only have one. That's a really hard question. Maybe donkey all day because because it's. Eighteen novels in one quite infinitely rich and and, and funny, and you don't wanna be bought on the island, though. That's true. True could be a boring island. I'm currently I'm nearly finished reading NS. Hoodies Newburgh children's the gap day. And I might desert island book would have to be a long one again, I'd probably take the recognitions by name Gaddis. 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The High-Rise to the Hillside...
"Allowed. THEM SMART. Hey welcome the terms I'm your host tim? Thanks for clicking my link taking a listen. Take a shot on me I can't thank you all enough for the continued support. Everybody's been wonderful. The feedback comments have been overwhelming. Please keep sending them to ten items or less podcast g mail DOT COM today I have a very special guest with me. Somebody that I absolutely adore in a very short period of time in a couple of years, we've become very very good friends and I really WanNa. Take the time and share her transformation from the I. Guess We'd say High Rise to the hillside so. Without any further ADO, do I have on the line today. Ashley Ashley welcomed the ten items or less. How are you I am great, are you? I'm wonderful so real. Quick before we get started I. Know you're a subscriber follower of my show? I know it's fairly new. We're getting almost on two months right now. But what do you think so much of the content so far? Exert an episode. You like the best so far or I really like the show. I had some good laughs out of that I really enjoyed that I have not listened to one today, but I'm have listened to half of it. Why Really? Great Awesome. Your mom is sensational. She sends me comments and feedback all the time. That's the type of stuff that keeps me coming back. I hope she's listening to this one. When we publish it, I'm sure she would, but she's been really instrumental in helping me I guess we'd say. My skill so real quick if you can introduce yourself other than hey, it's Ashley. Tell me a little about a little bit about you. and. Then we'll go from there. So I'm thirty four I live in rural South Dakota. I'm originally from Kansas and I work in physical therapy so. Rural South Dakota meeting. What like when you say that? Like lack of a better word, the middle of nowhere okay is there is. What is your town? I guess you live in. I let them sell up it. Fill up with a P.. Yes which is a town of Ou- of eight hundred people, eight hundred people, so I'm sure you guys pretty much know each other right exactly is everybody know? What is it like small town? USA everybody knows what everybody's doing. And and there's no secrets that type of stuff that is very true. Everybody knew that I was the new girl. Physical therapy in. Everybody needs that. I did know very many people when I first note here so real. Quick before we get in your life in South Dakota real quick about your physical therapy Tell me kind of what you do for a living. When I met you, you were what I would call a traveling nurse. I know you've traveled around a lot and you've ended up in south, Dakota I don't even know how long you've been there. But what do you do real quick? So I used to travel, I worked on a guided college, and then I moved to Wichita. Kansas and then I moved. Oklahoma and then I decided I needed a big change. And I moved to Houston and I was there for a while and decided I needed another change so I just. decided to start traveling again and I went to Oregon and then South Carolina then I moved to South Dakota. Yes and an starting in Houston I wasn't there in the beginning. I think that's where we met with I know. That's where we met in Houston. Wife reminded me today was about four and a half years ago, so it's crazy that it's been that long, but it's. Yeah, but it seems like it was just yesterday. I, consider you like I said in the beginning of this episode, a really close friend, one of those people that you just happened to meet, and you've clicked all the way through like like I mentioned your mother I've met your mother I've talked to your sister I've never met your sister. I've sold their some basketball tickets before, but I feel like you're a family, friend and We don't talk all the time, but I think we talk enough where we kind of keep track of each other calendar and I've moved a bunch as well so i. find you like I, said A. A very close friend of the family and I think the interesting part about talking to you. Today is from you where I met you. In Houston. You live in a High Rise on Westheimer. which is a very I guess you'd say common drag in downtown Houston. Cowan I live down there as well and then now you live in South Dakota and I can honestly say I have never ever in my entire life I believe pretty sure to anybody that's ever been in South Dakota. So what? What other than I mean I know your job brought you there. But what? WHAT DOES SOUTH DAKOTA? Keep you there from like? Right is a key. Well I was going to be here for six weeks and I. decided I'd stay a little longer 'cause. I was close to home I'm six hours from home, so that's close compared to where I lived in Houston. And I. Was GonNA say six weeks when I decided year old. During that time, I had a patient. Mine introduced me to the sky, and I started dating, and now we're still dating. So, how have you been in South Dakota. I have been here. Almost two years okay so. Today in in Austin Texas got only knows what it what it was in Houston. Today was ninety five degrees Tuesday. It was a hundred and four. What was your weather today in South Dakota. It's ninety three is what it is today. Wow, that it doesn't feel that hot. It's not really humid. There's a nice cool breeze. Is it typically that warm there? Some days it is other days. It's seventies eighties. Okay, and are you, are you? Were you living in town? Are you buy water or no? Okay. So There's a little eighty lake, but I don't even consider it. Lake it's more of a pond, okay? Do you live in a house in apartment? I live out in the country I live with my boyfriend and I live in a house. That's our closest neighbors like two and a half miles. Okay. and. How long have you guys live together there? I have lived here. December I lived in town at first and then. ISLA. He lives thirty miles out in the country. So then I just decided we decided we were moving together because make it to the place in town in staying out here all the time in. Having to places. Where would you call it? What would you call it? A farm a plantation Iran to? What would it be where you guys live? It's more of a ranch. We have more cows than doing. Farming and your? owns these cows or I don't know how that works, so please forgive me. Jesse on the cows or paint does the other. Night, yes, there has cows in then. I help them around out here a little bit and Many many years ago when I lived in Atlanta Georgia, I owned a catering company and at some point in time in my life very south of. Atlanta, which is a very big city, some in rural city in Georgia. I did a catering event for a cow auction. Have you been to one of those? Yes, so, is that a normal thing there? Yeah, we have a sale here every Tuesday so to. Tuesday's cow days. So what do you do? Walk me through that because I find that very intriguing. Be Food Guy. So you go to the sale barn. And hold on. Sale Barn. Yeah. It's a sale barn, okay? Is it like a big sciences? Sale Barn? Sinuses Sale Barn everybody knows that that's where it is okay. And, then like there's other towns around us that are small that have their sale. Barnes also, and they have sales on different days. Okay, so when you go, and you don't have to get into the money or any of that so when you go you and your guy. I would assume pickup truck driving to the sale barn. Are you like hey? We're looking for this today like we're looking for one. That's two eighty. Two hundred eighty pounds has great. Meet like what do you look for when you're to me? Cows A cow. Well more like brands as what they like like. There's Herford Sir there's. There's different kinds of cows that you looked at. So I had never heard. have. You ever heard the saying a Jersey cow. Now Okay So. If that's okay, you haven't and when we're all done. I want you to ask your onboard and you can text me, but there's something called a Jersey cow, and what does that hold on I I? Don't know what it is, but to make a long story short when I heard the first time because I'm in the food business I said Holy Shit. Is that a cow from New Jersey? It's not. Okay so I, don't know the Jersey cow means I was hoping you can educate me, but you can't. But yeah, but there's a jersey cow and I. Don't know exactly what that means, or what kind of breed it is so anyway back to your cow auction. Let's just say you buy a cow. You just take him home. And you just throw in the car. Like how does that Burke? He's. No you will throwing your trailer anew. Bring allow to your pastor or your house, so you bring a trailer with you and then and again rough estimate, what is a cow? Go for one hundred bucks, or is it five thousand bucks? It depends on the way it depends on the year. It depends on the market. Okay, so, is there like a an just trying to put it in my turns? Is there like a Nike cow verse and a Reebok cow like? Is that like when you say branding? Is there a better cow than you know a low level low price scout? Show yes, and no like each person prefers a certain kind of cow, and then that's what they go out. That's why some people against lack. Food by like data like some people like organic, some people don't mind. A different kind. So, then they go with that, have you? Have you gotten involved in picking a cow? Have were you like? Have you ever been sitting next to your man elbow? Say That when pick that one of you got that for you. Okay now he handles that he handles all that. What is your role at the ranch right now? So I like right now. During the summer I'm big into gardening. kym gardening problems I. Don't know if you've caught up episode yet. I've so far got one. You know the go ahead. So none of minute introduced yet because it was so cold there so long are garden is way behind compared to everybody else's I. I would imagine you're gardens much bigger than mine, but so you said you're you're one of your roles is gardening. So, what do you do? Today told weeds today 'cause I have like fifty side tomato plants I think two of our about dead, so we'll say fifty three guy and I have I think fifty. Some pepper plants okay. And I have potatoes. Onions. Are you expecting a bunch of people over like? Why do you have so much? You sell these products now. Now actually can then show. You what I can them, so I get you water Bassett, so it feels like you get a jar in you can. Water bath, it or Tanum than it seals I have fresh produce all year long so like when I make Chili where you say, don't have Oman I'm trying to keep up so when you say canning that the same as pickling or no. Ski Yes, okay, because I make my own pickles. Yes, I can't take so real quick, and this is not something I plan on talking about so I have a cucumber plant. Do you have any cucumber plants ideal, so they're? They're growing like crazy. They get these little yellow buds, but I've yet to see anything resembling a cucumber. It will eventually you. Should they be up in the air, or should they lay on the ground? So mine lay on the ground, but I've heard people putting fencing going up the fence. I, have both so I didn't know if you were gonNA. Give me a tip, so you didn't so okay, so you saw. I've seen both on the ground because I have too many. Do you have cucumbers coming out yet? No, it's too early. I would say last year I think. We got him and the July and August okay. 'cause the vines are getting longer. The leaves are getting greener, and there's these pretty yellow buds, but I've literally not even close to anything that resembles. You're so. That's not me so I may be doing good there. Yeah, sounds like. Are you been watering out constantly? We water in the morning and water. We don't want her in the afternoon. When it's a hundred degrees because I think it just evaporates, that's the least my myth, but anyway so okay, so you garden. What else do you do at the ranch? I get I help with calving during the during like I'd say it's like February march. April may calving. Is that like working out on a on a thing for your caps? Like what do you mean causing? So like cows have eighty cows. Give birth. The I do not do any of the work of sick. I watch. You send me a pic. You sent me a picture of one I think once. That was just born so. You just like watching time and take videos, so does your. Does your guy get in there? And do you have to give birth to a coward? They just do it naturally. I guess that's most of them. Do It naturally okay? There are some that you actually have to like. Help. You. I'm not a mom, so I don't know if you do that. You have to help. pull it out. Okay, and sometimes I would imagine. Get Stuck, so you've gotTA reach in there. Yeah, and then there's a device that helps you. Pull it out and you've done that or no. No I just helped I like stand there and watch all the tail. You hold the tail. Yeah, but can I tell a funny story about you that I know we've do. So I'm in New York City. It's my mother and we were talking about the final four with you, which we both are all of us, Love College basketball we do. And I you asked by boyfriend was going to become into Atlanta for the final four this year, and I said no, he's going to be cavity. And you grab your calf of your leg and ask if that's what he was doing, and my mom and I just start laughing like laughing hysterically crying and the best part of it is, he was were dead. Serious I have. been. Well listen, it's six thirty here right now. We're recording this and not very long ago four years. Let's just say you mean my wife whoever you were living with, we would be texting each other and say where we going to meet to have drinks for happy hour, and now not very long later for years later. You're talking to me on my podcast about giving birth to cows. Your Life Your. Life has drastically changed in what I would say for your for your time periods. So what is the future are are is. Are you staying there? Are you good? Plan this stay here? I'm perfectly content. I grew up in smaller town and then i. hit the city life than. I was Beta conducted small town. Yeah, I, mean we. We live in Houston. We already said that I think there's eight eight million people that live there. We both live the couple, maybe a mile apart, but on a very busy road in downtown Houston. We could walk to anywhere. I really loved living in Houston I. Know You did too and now I I look back and I'm like Oh. My Life's pretty similar. Similar I mean Austin's not as big as Houston, but I still have all those things in your life is turned three hundred sixty degrees different, and it's so awesome to see that you're happy and you're locked in and like I said you were gardening today, and then just the other day you said Hey I'll call you back on the tractor and I'm like on the tractor. Like what were you doing there? What was where we eating? We might have been feeding. What even what feeding mean see after feet, cows like not during the summer because they go to the pasture, but during the winter in spring we feed them, so you like take him. Hey, and corn and. See them and unusually official gate. Open I've got a joke for you. Ready. Yep, let's hear. What do you feed gay horse. I don't know hey it. Doesn't mean that the jokes, so that was my. That's as much farming that I know right there. So sectarian knows about that dude ranch while Cowan Cowan has us like I. have this lifelong dream of going ice fishing and Kevin has his lifelong dream of going to a dude ranch, so we we are about to turn milestone ages this year and we're planning a party, so you'll be invited for sure you'd better be there. They be great, but we do want in this year coming up maybe twenty twenty one to accomplish both. Both of our I guess we'd say goals in mind would be ice fishing and hers would be Dude Ranch I would love to come to South Dakota, but I'll be honest with you the way you talk about it, you said your two and a half miles from from your from your neighbor I mean. How far are you from a bar or a restaurant or whatever so I'm thirty miles from town? So that is like. Fill up is a small town thirty miles from there, and then like our big cities lack of a better word with either rapid city, which is about two hours hour and fifty minutes for me, or we could go to peer, which is the state capital which is lacking a little shopping, and not as many restaurants rapid, but that is about an I'd say an hour so our ten minutes if I came to visit and I stayed on the ranch. Do you have a spot for? For us to this day. Absolutely Okay House that here. I didn't know if you had a bunk house like I. Think of like yellowstone like you got this whole other room. No, okay, so it's you don't have a bunch of farmhands or a ranch hands I guess you'd call right Nope. Okay, so just you guys. That's great, so we have somewhere to stay, but I need a bar close by. And how far is that thirty minutes the town I. Live in eight hundred has. I WANNA. Say Two and a half bars because bars like a bowling alley, but it is still a bar. I would assume in I'm just asking. I would assume an driver where you live makes a ton of money. Areas no such thing as an uber driver. These people drink and drive for thirty miles. Wall I. DON'T WANNA, say people drink and drive, but I know they do, but no, no, no, no I understand you get what I'm saying I mean GonNa have one beers, drinking and driving, but so so there's no like I can't catch an uber they're. Going To come, visit you what it's like. Is there a dude ranch recount? Not Dude ranch, but there's a ranch. Okay, and we not like her yellowstone Mike I. Don't want to go work. I think she wants to go work and herd cattle all that like I don't I I literally. I would love to just sit by the fire. Have some have some drinks? Make Sense. Moore's I mean. Is that the entertainment. I mean we can do that. Yes, okay, let's Ierapetra so you can have your source okay. We had a refrigerator full of beer for you. So you how call Popper Soda. So it was pop when we lived in Michigan, but it was soda when we lived in Chicago so weird how it goes back and forth. It's crazy, so so I I would love to South Dakota. We're GONNA. Make a plan to, but you have to promise me that you and your guys are GonNa. Come to Austin as he ever been out of as he ever been to other places yes. Yes, Okay Down Austin. He has okay. Okay so awesome, so that was a good snapshot into your transition from like I said the high rise to the hillside, but I think more importantly I I. I guess I would say. I'm a little bit jealous that you've made that. Transact- transition, and you've made it so easy and we're so happy for you. I think it's fantastic. I really want to share with everybody how we met I. Think Extinct. How we've become such good friends, and we literally met at a Bar, watching a at a Kansas Basketball Watch party and then. I can't remember. I was pretty drunk, but you were sitting across the table from us, and we and I feel like we have this lifelong bond. So, what do you remember how we met? So I went to I can't remember the name of the bar we we're going to. But we I went with one of my other friends, he was originally from Kansas, so he's a cave dance and he was telling me that there's this Ku bar and I'm like hey. Let's go I've never been. And never even knew Houston had a k. you. So went down there. I want to say it was during the sweet sixteen, or maybe it was. The elite eight one of them. Anyway we go down there and there's a table for like thirty people. Will we sit down and? I'm pretty so slow and I. Just Start Talking to people and I have had a few drinks and I thought I was the only person that didn't know anybody and all of a sudden I. Look over and I, asked Tim is that Inaba Kado. Because he has an avocado up to. I do and I. It, it's on the inside of my arm and I remember we were sitting there, cheering at something, and I put my arms up and you're like holy Sh-. This complete stranger. You're like Holy Shit Avocado and I'm like Oh. Yeah, yeah, absolutely and you're like who the hell has an avocado on their arm. Do you remember what I told you? Know you don't. Now so. It's happened before, but people people tell me all the time like or we'll see me like they're walking behind me. You can kind of see if mom's down and I'm like. Yeah, it's an avocado on my arm and I said know I used to own I used to be in a I guess we'd call it a Mexican gang. And and usually, and you said you were like and you're like. What are you know? You weren't and obviously smile on a drunken? I'm like yeah. I was in a Mexican gang and it was called the avocado days, and then I remember you like cracking up, and you were telling your friend with you, and then the punchline of the joke is, is that yeah? I was in a Mexican gang I have an avocado tack to the name of the gang was the advocaat days and if you fucked up, we chop you up and make you into Guacamole. Do you don't remember that? For that so that's how our friendship started. And I, I had several friendships. Start that way, so yes, so I know you and your family are like you said from Kansas. Calendar Ny. Kansas fans I have no tida. Kansas I was born and raised on the east coast. It's just something that I've always enjoyed in my life, but I think that's funny. How the oddest things can bring people together, and that's kind of what it did for us. So since then I've met your mom like I said I've met your sister. We've been on trips together. I think we've already planned the trip for this year. We'll meet you in Chicago in a couple of months for the kickoff. Even if there's no basketball, we'll see you, but I really really want to get to South Dakota. So you need to tell the best time of the year to come there because I can't imagine maybe I'm wrong, but I can't imagine a flights are too too bad going there, but where do I even fly into? Their fly into rapid city Pierre. So. You don't have any. There's no other might actually during the summer might eat direct flights from Austin or San Antonio. Why because what do you mean in the summers ice over her? No they just have direct flights during the summer because people come to the black hills like Mount Rushmore. Mount Rushmore. Do you know who's on Mount? Rushmore I knew. You'RE GONNA. Ask that. Well you live. There I think I know. You tell me why I would know for sure, and and if you live there I hope you can correct me I know George Washington. That is correct and I know Abraham Lincoln And I. Honestly don't know I was even going to look that up because I knew. You're going to ask that coat on wall. interesting enough I look over some fun facts about. South Dakota prior to doing this with you because I think a lot of people I would assume. Don't know much about south. Dakota have been South Dakota. So let me share them with you so. At Mount Rushmore Washington Lincoln and if you had the so, there's four people so the. Do you know the other two are nope one here so it would be Jefferson. And then the fourth one which I would never got, I probably would've gas Jefferson. Was Roosevelt I would have never guessed that, so those are your four. I'll remember that from now on. Have you went to see? Have you went to see it yet now? I went once when I moved here I'm not joking. I'm trying not to make a joke, but it's just a big damn rock. That looks like a bunch of places. That's exactly what it is, so you go there? You take a picture then what I mean literally ten minutes later. Are you done? Yet that's it yeah to me just like the Grand Canyon a big fucking on the ground. Up. It looks pretty sure there's lots pictures, but what do you do? There's there's a little walk trail that people like to do, but to me is overrated. From the road dry, d yet still cool for South Dakota but Mount Rushmore. Park itself. Isn't it correct? Can you can't there? I don't know if you can I never have so I'm not state park down there, too. I'm not a camper I've been a few times. A few people listening this will laugh. I prefer to stay at the Hilton Not Campground. Per sure, but I but I've actually camped a few times. One was with probably. Six seven years ago. My Buddy, Jeff and I it's not for me. It's not for being by any means. Counter I were actually talking about taking a camping trip down South Texas, like on the border and doing that and I'm I'm trying to I guess I'd say. Get enough nerve to do it, but I think if I went up there where it's not a hundred and fifty degrees outside I would be more adapted to it so I only bring that up because they say the number one thing to do in south, Dakota is. Do you know what it is camping camping which is crazy? Yeah, now. Do you is South Dakota in North Dakota drastically different or now? I've only been to north, Dakota once and I went to a state park and I would say was similar to South Dakota so? Do you know the capital of South Dakota? Tear cracked. Do you know the capital of North Dakota when I always have? I don't know the the top of my head I don't know that Bismarck and I didn't is not. I didn't even have to look that up. I was I was not very good in school, but I was very good with geography and I'll never forget that so fun. Fact about South Dakota. Do you know that South Dakota and this is true has more shoreline than the state of Florida. I did not know that you have said with all the rivers lakes in all the shoreline banks. They have actual more shoreline than state of Florida. I would never ever ever guess that. Namie are now. I'm going to have to actually look that up to see. It's true I'm telling you. I did my research and then do you know what the state animal of South Dakota's? I don't allow you're putting US thought on all. This stuff is south, Dakota and I know it. I'm trying to educate the listeners here. Ashish I mean if you live there, you should know this. If you had to get with the state animal, I would have guessed this I didn't know this, but I would have. No Shit the Coyote The Coyote. The Coyote, do you see them in? Hear them I got. You here ladder. Isn't that a coyote? To hear the coyotes so at night here today. Oh Real! Taylor is that. Is that made up? It's similar to that okay, and then this one I thought was crazy 'cause it really ties in Texas and you've lived in Texas. Do you know the number one food in South Dakota? Under one st any said it goes with Texas yet. Because this is not a thing that was known to me East Coast Guy. Until they got the Texas but I don't know why. It's number one in South Dakota, but it's also in Texas. Do you notice Nope, collages? Colosio I haven't seen a single clutch up here on the internet said so. The Internet doesn't lie there, sister. took. And as you know in Texas, Karachi's are everywhere, they are. Trivia for you, okay? Okay, once I do know this about South Dakota and I figured. This is the one you're gonNA give me okay. What. Is, the center of the nation but town. If I had to guess in. This is off. My jere graphical genius. High School Educational Making Shit Up Grammar School. Knowledge I would say the middle of the country would have to be. Topeka Kansas. It is not the spinner. The Nation is actually in South Dakota war. How? Accounts with Canada. That's cheating. It's south foods has have you ever been the Canada? As the what do you think, candidate? I like it. Right Hey. Canada I love Canada I think it's a I think there's great people everybody I've met from kind of have been great people so I. I'm jealous that you live in South Dakota County. I've lived then I. Kind of like twelve or thirteen different states here in the United States. South. Dakota's never even been an option. Maybe one day I will end up there. I definitely will come to visit. We would love for you to come. visit us like you have another cities. We've always kind of met up at some sort of way. I know you are a huge sports fan. I know you've always been athletic. I know when I met you in Houston. You were a big into volleyball, or are you still doing any athletics of? Nope, not at all appears pretty rule. Okay so I thought you were going to say that. So have you learned like Lhasa? Wing and roping and have you got into? Have you got it in the rodeos shop? I want you to get into the Rodeo. DISLIKING COME TO HOUSTON WATCH thirty. No, no I want you like barrel racing or were a not lama tying. Do you have llamas? Are Llamas a farm animal. They can you have a chicken? I do have chickens. What is the difference between a chicken in a hint? One lays eggs. One does not I don't know. But what do you mean you don't know you live on a ranch? There's the. I don't know all this information you put me on the spot at the ranch have a name. Is it like double diamond ranch? Like what is it? No office three inch. What Your Guy's name? Now can you tell mount? We need a ranch name I. We need something like I. Don't know why I said double diamond, but that just sounds good. That needs to be something like that like when you come up here, you can name it. Okay, and I could stay in the bunk house with all the ranting ends. Oh! Something like that. Well listen, thank you so much for all your support and I wanNA. Thank your mother CH- again for her continuous feedback. I thoroughly enjoy everything that she tells me I hope. She listened to this episode and gives you some feedback. 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What Is A Space Elevator?
"Jerry Lewis v wave dead seditious incur Kobe also Amy wine-house, Johnny cash and more disgrace them to rock and roll true crime podcast stories about musicians getting away with murder and behaving. Very badly is available now posted by me. Jake Brennan, you can listen to disgrace of heart radio app, apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Dean and astronaut I always wanted to be Astor from some points of view. Like I wanted to be out in space. I wanted to see stars to see the earth under me. But also sorta terrified of getting up there. It's really extremely difficult. I talked Nostra nod last year, and he said it was like writing the tip of explosion to be rocket. And that scares me. I mean, especially after the challenger disaster. And that was very vivid in my mind when I was a kid. It seems terrifying and seems dangerous and it is in your your. It's just basically you strapped to rocket. You know? Yeah, it's you're literally writing and explosion, you're like surfing fireball. But would you want to go to space if it was easier your think, so you know, if you could just like getting your car and say take me to space or something like that? Serey? Take me space. Google directions to space, please. But what if it was just as easy as getting into an elevator and impressing dispaced button? I think I would sign up for that game q. The elevator music. Hey, guys, this is fourteen and welcome to our podcast Daniel or he explained the universe. A production of I heart radio, which we take crazy stuff in the universe, including stuff. People want to make an explain it to you break it down make sure you can understand the next time. You're at a party and wanted to impress your friends with your cool, science knowledge. That's right. All the crazy ideas out there in the universe, and the cosmos, and all the crazy ideas in people's heads that may or may not be possible. That's right. I'm a particle exist. An EMMY cartoonist and together, we wrote a book called we have no idea, which explores all the mysteries of the unknown. And the things we don't know about the universe and together twice a week. We try to take you up into space and out into the cosmos. And today, we're gonna talk about a very interesting idea that's been out there floating in science and engineering circles and definitely on the internet, which is a pretty interesting and different way to get to space. Yeah. Which is really fascinating. Because it's. Seems like we're sort of trapped on earth gravity keeps us here. We've talked a lot about how gravity deform space and makes it difficult to get off of earth. And it's nice the gravity holds down to earth. But sometimes you wanna get up to space. You know, if humanity wants to explore the stars and build space technology and space industry and space habitats than eventually, we gotta get off this planet, and so we got to somehow counteract that gravity climb up into space. Yeah. And the main way we've been doing that so far as by strapping ourselves into a giant tube. Fool of. Flammable, gasoline or or hydrazine or rocket fuel, and then lighting that up and hoping that the exclusion of takes us up into space. It's basically the high ticket quivalent of taping a bunch of fireworks to your to your legs and setting them off, right? Which we advise our listeners not to do. Our sure writing writing the shockwave from a bomb on your something right about idea carefully chain explosions. But there might be a different way to get this base. And there's a pretty interesting the because I feel like it's the kind of idea of six-year-old would come up with like Bs six year old. Hey, how do you get this base? What they might come up with. Oh my God. I totally should have done that I should have gone to kindergarten classroom and said, what's the best way? To get the space have gotten some awesome ideas. Like, laughing the moon climb up the rope or something like that. Yeah. Probably you get a lot of just USA spaceship, jump, really hard. Now. Today's topic on the podcast is. Species. Elevators are they possible? How do they work? I would they work should you ride in one? What should you pack? What's the protocol for when you're standing in a space elevator? Do you make eye contact to you? Go to the furthest opposite corner of an elevator. You say, oh, I'll take the next one and do not and do the up or when they leave these a day. What he would he what's the protocol. I don't know. But you know, if we do develop space elevators, it'd be a whole impact on culturing people meet fun love on space. Elevators, right? Become an element in fiction. You'll see them in movies and comic books. Yeah. It's a pretty fascinating idea. And just the concept of elevators. You have a favorite elevator. Right. Then you do have a favorite elevator. I love that in Europe. When you get into an elevator the ground floor is listed zero for some reason that just like tickled the nerd in me, and and the large. Hey, John collider, the experiments are deep. Deep underground rather. Like a hundred meters underground so that the radiation produced in the collisions hasn't affect anybody above ground. And so they have this elevator. You can take down into the tunnel where the exceleron or is the collisions happen, and it just has to buttons one of them's zero for the ground level and the other. Says minus one as you present who's down a hundred meters, which is you know, really far deep deep into the ground. So that was really fun to options zero and mine is one exactly there's a much much more dramatic elevator. Some other physics experiments like in the snow lavon in Canada. They go I think miles underground because they have their their experiments underground in a mind, like an old abandoned mind. Did I ever tell you? I have written the elevator down to the bottom. You have really how did you did you sneak in? Did you pass the rental retinal Skinner or did you go physics ninja? Remember your of ninja that was are trying to take. Now, how did you get in? Did you know is giving a tour, and I went down there super exciting Superfund? I didn't get to walk the tunnels. But I was I was kind of disappointed to see that the one comic strip that was up on the walls. There was an ex case the who take it down and replace it with one of yours. And was a will earned. It was really funny comic. Because will so yes getting to space is really expensive. Right. And so the idea that you might be able to take an elevator sounds pretty appealing. Yeah. It's really interesting. Why getting spaces so expensive? You might think. Like, what's the big deal just build a rocket, and you shoot it up there right now expensive rocket fuel be. Yeah. Right. But the problem is that you need a huge amount of fuel to get to space. And you can't refuel rocket along the way. Right. You have to lift all the fuel. You're going to need from the beginning. Yeah. Yes. Always presentation by an astronaut ones who said that basically ninety five percent of your rocket like by weighed like ninety five percent of the weight of your rocket is basically fuel view. Exactly imagine you're gonna drive across the country. But there were no gas stations between here and there, and so you needn't like pack all the fuel. Right. So you like a huge tanker, and you feel it with fuel. So now you need extra fuel to bring that fuel. Right. It's a pretty soothing like a train of tankers with you. And so you're right. Most of the fuels there just to lift the other fuel. So a lot of your field just goes to lifting the funeral that you need to live the other fuel to maybe a little bit used some of that to lift you up. Yeah. Exactly. It's diminishing returns every pound of fuel you add a very very small amount of it, actually lift you up. And so that's why wrong it's pretty inefficient and super expensive. Yeah. So you when you see a rocket just magic ninety five percent of that long tube is basically like an explosive right? It's not basically an explosive is an explosive. I mean, you explode your way to space. Right. This is this is the plan, right? Is riding explosion space. And so that's pretty expensive. Right. I was looking at turns out that if you want to send one kilogram let's to something pounds of stuff into space. It costs like twenty thousand dollars. Doesn't matter what it is gold, mashed potatoes. Hamsters one kilogram of whatever cost twenty thousand dollars. Send us to ten thousand dollars. A pound exactly that some premium caviar. You know and say you want to build something where you want to build a factory in space that can make spaceships or they can make habitats domes or species, suits. We're never right. You have to send every piece of that stuff from earth because we don't have any manufacturing in-space yet. Right. So you have to lift at all costs so much money to make stuff on earth, and then lifted up into space. Yeah. Yeah. It would like all those space, Asians, e see and science can move as you gotta wonder how did they get all that metal and stuff up there? Which is exactly why I think with future is to build a space based industry right Bill that stuff in space right building factory in-space manufacturer of. So you don't have to lift it from the earth. But then I have to build that first factory. Right. Get it started somehow, but you have to get up the raw-materials too, right? Well, there's plenty of raw materials and asteroids. There's lots of good medals and stuff and. So you can if you can build an asteroid mining factory in space than your your set to go. But the first one you have to build on earth and lifted right? Well, so rocket seem pretty little bit inefficient and kind of dangerous. And so there's this other idea to get things up into space called the space elevator. Yeah. Exactly. And so we're going to dig into how base elevator works, and what should you take one? And is it possible is it feasible? But before we do we thought we would ask folks around the UC Irvine campus if they had heard of a space elevator. They thought it was reasonable or they thought it was just some crazy idea of fuzzy hair physicist was asking them about. So before you listen to these answers think about it for a second. How much do you know about base elevators? Here's what people had to say. No, what would be your best guess or space elevator would be. Charlie and the chocolate factory. Notice. Your best guess as base eliminator. Can I can I get it? Elevator space elevated assays. I don't think it's not based. Inexact guest that might be. Yes. It's possible feasible. It seems possible. I don't know about feasible when do you think we might see one in action? I think that as I understand it the limitations have to do with materials constraints right now and the strength of the material. So last I heard they were going on carbon-fiber that could support its own weight up to the lower orbit. But I don't know how that's going is it like a thing used for like this spaceships life launch to that elevator. It'll be repeating space elevator to space to space Scher do face. You'd like to have a space elevator. No. I think I might die. On the space station or something like that takes you to from the bridge to engineering or something something. Maybe something that launches into space. Cool. All right. So it sounds like a lot of people overheard. What a space elevator is someone said that it was like the the one charleena chocolate factory. Those agreements are of losing people think on their feet. They're like having heard that what could it be? Like, I heard these words before the base and elevator is an elevator. That uses base takes space or an elevator. In-space those with my favorite sort of like Star Trek when you go from like the bridge to engineering that uses an elevator. Right. So people thought from first principles that might be an elevator to space one of the guys we interviewed happens to be a professor of earth system science. And so he was very knowledgeable about the topic as you can hear. Oh, I see. He was a ringer was definitely a ringer. Yeah. He really elevated the the topic here. That's right before we dive in. Let's take a short break. Hi, this is Daniel from Daniel and Jorges explain the universe. We have so many unanswered questions about the universe. 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Remember, the great courses plus dot com slash universe. I hope you enjoy it. All right. It's jump into Daniel. So what is a space elevator? The space elevator is to avoid having to do the rocket lift, right? And instead of having to push yourself up out of verse gravity and every time you're pushing yourself out of earth, gravity doing two things. First, you're keeping yourself up and second you're lifting yourself up. So for example, say you're like, you know, five hundred feet above the earth, and you just wanna hover you don't wanna go anywhere any higher even that just that takes energy right to continually push yourself up. Yeah. So imagine if instead you could just climb a ladder. Right. There's like a ladder to space. Then when you want to take a break, you could stop right, and you could rest in the latter would support you the latter would provide that essentially the counterbalancing force against gravity to keep you up while you rested. And then the rest of your climb, right? Oh, literally, just hang out. Exactly. Hang out in space. Yeah. So if you build a ladder to space, then that would save a lot of that energy, right? The other idea is avoid carrying all your energy with you. Right. The rocket as we were saying earlier the big problem with the rocket is you have to carry the fuel. And then the fuel to care the fuel in the fuel to care the fuel and all that stuff. If you could somehow, you know, get the energy from the ground as you're climbing, you know, like people like throwing you, you know, candy bars as you're climbing the ladder, then you wouldn't have to carry all those candy bars with. D of space elevator is build something. You can climb and send the energy up to the the car. That climbs the climb the elevator. While it's on the ways that doesn't have to carry it all like the like a real elevator in a building. Like, you get the power for mid you. Don't carry all the gasoline to power. The elevator Ige's comes to youth through the cables attached to the elevator. Right. That's right. This would be a slightly different structure because an elevator in building is usually like tach to the cable, and then there's an engine at the top that pulling on the cable or something. So the basic idea here is a huge cable Utada into the ground on earth. And then you lift the other end all the way up into space and attach it to something in space. So the idea that earlier or six year old Lhasa wing the moon. That's basically the idea is like ties during between the earth and something in space while I think the basic basic ideas is to build something permit. You know, nodded Rocketi's once and then throw it away. But like build a structure something like link between earth and space, and then just climb that every time you wanna go into space. Exactly. Yeah. And so then it's reusable, and you don't have to carry all the fuel with you talk in detail about how you can accomplish that. And you can take breaks. Right. You don't have to provide the the hovering lift as well as the climbing lift so there's a lot of possible advantages if you can build that kind of structure, you can just hang on. Yeah. Exactly. You can just hang on you can like clamp onto the rope. Or whatever to prevent yourself from falling rocket can't do that. Right. Has nothing to hang hang onto the air around the push against when I first heard about the concept of space elevator. I thought like how the Rove's gonna stay up. Right. I mean, if you if you take a long rope and just like throw the end into the sky it falls down right weight like stays up in the sky. How does that even work? Right. Well, you're assuming that it looks like a row, right? Like, a like a this elevator could take different forms like it could be just one rope that goes off into Infinity like Jack and the beanstalk or it could be what if he just built a really really tall tower? Like if used the, you know, the Berkeley fan. In dubai. What if you could keep building that up into space? What would happen then with the bottom of the tower? We get crushed right? The the problem with building something up from the ground and not having to be pulled from outer space. So that's the key space. Elevators that you build it. So so long so high and the Roku so far that it's basically getting pulled from space. We'll talk about that in a moment. But the problem with building a tower. It's basically a compression structure every layer sits on top of the previous layer. And the next layer sits on top of that. And by the time, you get to, you know, really really tall. The bottom layer is supporting the entire structure, right and has to be super strong or super wide or committed a crazy materials to go anywhere close to the distance of space to have this thing be really light. So we can get height without having a lot of weight. They pertained cleats possible. Is it is it possible to just build a giant pyramid? That's really really tall. Is it possible? I mean. Mount Everest is a giant pyramid. That's pretty pretty tall. But build it. You know? These things have to get pretty wide in order to support all that weight. Eventually. Yeah. Maybe you could build the tower babble into space. But I think it's as as difficult space. Elevators are a space tower would be even more difficult. I see. All right. Yeah. The space elevator has the advantage that the top of the rope is so far out into space that it pulls on the rope. Okay. Yeah. I just think maybe we're jumping ahead. Right. Because maybe some people think it's an elevator. So you it means that there's an elevator shaft that takes all the way up. You're saying that the primary way that this might work is using a cable. Yes, exactly it has to be cable. You can't just build a building. That goes all the way up into space that has to have something the top of it that so far into space that it's a basically skip the earth's gravity and his pulling pulling whatever it is up to. That's that's is that the prevailing idea that this this way, it could work maybe like days, it's it's not a elevator shafter tower. It's a it's like a string, basically your ties threat to earth. And you swing around something really heavy out into space that keeps the rope that string intention. Yeah. Exactly. And then maybe you can use it. Maybe you can climb that rope intention that row up into space. Yeah. Exactly, you attach a string from the ground to something up in space, and that thing up in spaces pulling on the string keeping it up. And then. Yeah, then you just climb up that Rupe? So it's more like a space ladder than a space elevator. If. Wanna think about it that way? Yeah. Marcus base a space cable. Space fire pole, right? But then you would ride an elevator. Like, you would be you would wait you wouldn't climate been Behan would be inside of an elevator like structure that then climbs up the rope or the you'd have to be crazy strong to clone by hand, the basic components are stationed on the ground the cable that goes up some counter rate up in space to keep it up. And then you have something that climbs some like car or some device, the basically crawls up Roope, the thing that climbs the ladder for you and the sloops its way up the room. So this is the basic components. Yeah. It's hard to imagine. How that rope stays up. Like, what keeps that rope vertical? Yeah. Exactly. That's the thing that puzzled me for a long time. When I was thinking about the space elevator because it's just counter to your intuition. Right. You think the things that go pins guy come down? Right. But the truth is if you throw things high enough up into the sky, they don't come down. Right. They go into orbit. And so it's some point the force of gravity weakens enough. And the centrifugal force is strong enough that they stay up there. You know, imagine, for example, you are you have a bucket with a rope. And you're swinging around yourself, right? Then, you know, water, for example can stay in the bucket. Even if the bucket who goes upside down, right? It's because of this apparent forces centrifugal force. And so that's pushing things away if you're spinning right? It's the fact that the earth is spinning provides this sort of outwards apparent centrifugal force. And so it'd be like the earth is. Rotating around and you ties during to it and the swinging around of some big weight at the end of the rope is what keeps the rue vertical and intention, and then and then you can climb the rope to get the space. Exactly the center of mass of the whole structure is above the orbit level right at some point above the earth, the force of gravity gets weaker and the centrifugal force actually gets stronger with distance. And so at some point of the earth equal as what we call. We're geosynchronous orbit can happen where it's in balance can stay in orbit. And so the idea is to put something really heavy above that. So the average weight like, where's the average? Bit of mass of the space elevator is the of that orbit level. And so it's just like something in orbit. I mean, you can think of it like something orbit with that with a dangles down really really low. Oh, see it doesn't have to be attached to earth is when you're saying it doesn't have to be it has to. But it's better. It is. Right. You don't wanna climb something, which is actually dangling. But just point of view the physics. Why does it stay up? It's the fact that is attached to earth is not what keeps it up right thing. That keeps it on attached to the pardon space. Right. That's interesting likes, people international space station could potentially. I mean, physically just kind of live out a little bit of string down into earth and Thome pointed might, touch, and it would just hanging there between the station and earth, right? And your intuition tells you that should work, right? Basically the same thing. Yeah. And then you just clip that rope tiered garage. Yeah. But the key is the thing is in geosynchronous orbit. Right. So it's always above the same part of the earth because you don't want the robe-like dragging across the surface of the earth. Right. That wouldn't be a lot of fun like a Bruce Willis movie. Exactly, exactly. So you want to have some like big station on the ground with this thing clips in. And so you have this like a space port on the ground, and then a place you can arrive above there. And so that's the basic physics of it. Well, there's prequel you said, you you told me that basically the point at which he would reach his geostationary orbit is about thirty six thousand kilometers out into space. Yeah. Exactly. So you need to have enough mass above that height. So that on average the mass of the whole thing is just above thirty six thousand kilometers above the earth and just reference think the moon is about three hundred eighty thousand kilometers ways. It's like a tenth of the way to the moon. You could have this elevator. Yeah. Exactly. So that makes it sound totally plausible. Right. You don't even eat the last of the moon. You just have to last the space station, but that's a really long robe. Right. Well, let's see how long would it take to get there like thirty six thousand kilometers away? And let's say that you're. Elevators going up the two hundred kilometers per hour. It would take you along how much of that. Will. That's, you know, five hours to go without kilometers. Right. So eighty hours or so so that's a few days, you know. And when you get in the bottom, you're gonna look around because you're going to be with those folks for a while. And then hope nobody Pez them winter exactly brings brings them chilly. Something pay attention to what everybody's eating just before. The get on the space elevator. No. It's a lot like a super long airline flight but days long, right? Oh, wow. That'd be amazing. But then at the end of the today's the the what is it ten days? You'd be in Space Jam exactly it'd be in space and even that number two hundred kilometers per hour. That's pretty fast. That's pretty fast for an elevator. Right. So I don't know how plausible or how comfortable that would be. It seems to be pretty for an elevator. But if you get those speeds up you could get the time down, and you ten days long time for passenger. But I think in the beginning the more important thing is lifting cargo, right? If you're gonna build industry and space that you can build species and habitats and all that kind of stuff then you gonna you gonna lift stuff up into space. Okay. So that's the concept as you you you put a cable between the earth he tied down here. And you tied the other end to something heavy and swinging around earth or. Geosynchronous orbit. And then you just pull yourself up to cable it to get. This sounds simple. Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna take care of this. Imagine you selling tickets at the bottom you like thousand dollars and just you know, police on up. Yeah. Well, let's get into why it's possible or maybe impossible, but first let's take a quick break. Hey guys is Daniel and horrid the host of the podcast Daniel and hor he explained a universe. And we wanna tell you about a brand new comedy educational Todd cast called creature feature. It's hosted by Katie golden. 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And that would just get on. The elevator elevator that climbs that row too. So where is the oh, what's the difficult part? You're why can't we just built one? Oh, I'm building one right now should be done week down out. Right. It's made out of paper clip from here. My gosh. This a lot of hard parts in this. First of all you talking about attaching a rope to something heavy out in space one in ride like the corral and asteroid. Do you? Collect a bunch of space junk and build a garbage mountain in space like need something big and heavy that you can understand and snap a cable too. And weight is to be like how heavy doesn't need to be like does need to be, you know, like a size of the moon or this is a bus or or what it needs to be definitely thousands and thousands of kilos exact size depends on the distance. So the longer you're rope. The further away this rock and be the lighter. It can be right because this trivial grows with radius. And so it doesn't need to be heavy. It's longer, but then you have to build a longer rope. If you wanna short a rope than you need a larger mass, and so it's a bit of a balancing act. We collect all those junks headlights and make giant satellite ball. And that's it. Yeah. Or yeah. Or maybe we could just like gal. They're all the plastic from the ocean and use that right? A huge, you know, plastic straw ball in space would be pretty cool. So that's probably number one is the thing. That's out there holding the elevator up. Yeah. But the bigger problem is connecting it, right? Like say, you have a big asteroid in space. You're all set the biggest builder space elevator. How do you make such a rope? You know, this thing has to be like Faouzi of kilometers long has to be super strong has never ever ever break. Right. And most importantly, it has to be strong enough to hold itself up. What do you mean strong enough to hold itself up? Didn't we say that the rope is pretty much kind of floating out into space? Yeah. Well, you can imagine the sort of to have it, right? There's some average point where half the mass this space. Elevators above it. And half the masses below it. Everything above that point is getting pulled out into space. Cool everything below that point is getting pulled down towards the earth. It's still has weight. Right. So even if the whole thing is being held up. Then the those elements of the rope that are right there that halfway point. They have to be strong enough to hold all that weight below them. Even if there's a force on the other end pulling on the rope to provide it to keep it up. The rope has to be strong enough. Right. But why does it need to be intention? I guess by question because couldn't you just have something in geosynchronous orbit like something's in orbited in. It's not. There's nothing holding it. Right. So couldn't use have slack line. Well, I think a slack line would make pretty wild ride. You know? You're not. I completely taunt or like barely taunt. It's not about the tension rights just about having having a really really long cable that suspended by itself. Right. Even if you lower say you lowered the cable from the space station, right? And you didn't even try to earth the part where to tach is to the space station is going to be pulled down by the entire weight of the cable. Right. The cable it self just has to be strong enough to hold that weight. Not about the strength of the pulling force. Like, let's say superman wants to pull on the moon. Okay. So yeah, maybe he strong enough ties. A rope around the moon, and he's strong enough to pull hard enough on the rope to move to move the moon. But is the rope strong enough. Probably not probably the rope would snap. Right. So this is about making a rope. That's strong enough to hold all that. Wait, hold on that force. That's keeping it in space. So that the doesn't need to be tension between the space object. And the earth, but the rope itself weighs a certain amount. Exactly. So it's it's being pulled down by itself, basically. Yeah. Exactly. It's going to be strong to hold itself up sees something, which is really strong. You'll want it to be very light. So that it doesn't have to be that strong. So it's this constant balance and people materials doing this research all the time trying to make really strong, really light materials. Not just for space. Elevators for like bullet proof vests and for buildings and for airplanes like being both strong and light is like one of the hardest things materials. Right. You know that you're an engineer. I was gonna say I thought you were going to say that. I am strong in light. Which is totally. Thank you. Daniel, you're brilliant light. And you're also very strong willed. So the. I was throwing personalities. Exactly. And so it difficult to find materials that are strong enough to fit the Bill. I mean, this thing is crazy long. Right. It's like I mean, thirty six thousand kilometers is a is just a huge number. Right. And so we've never met anything that long. We don't have materials that can hold themselves up when that long that would be like a rope that goes around the earth, basically like you you start a rope here, and you keep going to come back end from the other side that would be how long me we need to. Right. Exactly. It's it's crazy. It's hard to even really imagine building something that big literally planets is. Yeah. Well, okay. So and what are the alternate is like titanium? But if he's eighteen him or at Amanda at amandime, if you use marvel comics him, then you can do anything. No, the strongest metals we have if you made a thin rope of them. They can hold themselves up. If you make it like, you know, twenty or even thirty collage. Long but eventually eventually just fall apart. Right. The the weight in the modern will be stronger than the than the internal strength of the material it'll tear itself apart, and you can try lighter stuff like kevlar, carbon fiber these fancy materials. People developed are pretty light. And those can maybe make like, you know, hundred kilometers few hundred kilometers. The remember we're looking for something that's like tens of thousands of kilometers. And so recently people have done research and they've come up with even crazier materials. Like have you ever heard of carbon nanotubes have? Yeah, is like YouTube is like. Like the bread is that the no the to the super premium version of YouTube, exactly. Carbon nanotubes this really cool development. It's a totally different way to arrange carbon carbon is an amazing element. You know, it's the backbone of organic chemistry. Right. Every Malkin your body has carbon as its backbone. It's incredibly flexible. Also, it doesn't have a lot of protons in it because it's early in the periodic table so you can make structures in the don't have a lot of dead weight. Like a lot of the materials we use the protons and neutrons, which provide most of the weight of the stuff don't really contribute much to the strength of the object, but a carbon nanotubes like pure chemical bonds, right? Yeah. Exactly. Most of the strength comes from the chemical bonds. It's really just come from the electrons, which are pretty light. So you wanna find a material which has a small number of protons neutrons carbon and can arrange itself in clever ways. And so people have figured out ways to make like these spherical shells of carbon are called Bucky balls or these tubes of carbon it's really pretty incredible. And of course, folks out there might know carbon can make graphite it can make diamond right? It's really. It's like a, you know, an engineer's dream when it comes to being building material. So almost kind of like a a cable meta diamonds, right almost like, it's the very specific carbon arrangement. Yeah. Exactly, very specific arrangement of carbon and people, and they're incredibly strong or stronger than anything anybody's ever made and the current calculations tell us that like you could probably make a carbon nanotubes that goes five maybe ten thousand kilometers, and you could hold it self which is pretty good. Bye. That's getting in the range of what you need is still a little low. But the problem is that we're not really that good making carbonated tubes yet like the longest one we've ever made is like centimeters in length. Oh, so we're almost there. I ever heard this idea of using carbon nanotubes, which I know that are like single atoms single molecule strands, and you're going to pull a whole elevator on a single strand of molecules. But I think it is not that there's a single strand up to space, but like a like a bundle of of these fibers, right? Yeah. I think we've them together to get additional strength and also redundancy, right? Another problem with carbon nanotubes is that they're not very robust to for example. Lightning strikes. Right. You strike it with lightning evaporates. And so. Yeah. He needed like always predict the weather, exactly correctly, or you. You're susceptible to these lightning strikes to evaporate your your cable that would be a long right down. If your space elevator. Haiti lightening strike, I think it's faster and the way down and the way up if you if the cables naps. Yes, there's a lot of challenges there. We don't even have. We don't have the technology. Carbonated? Tubes aren't good enough? And we don't even know how to make carbonated tubes that are long enough. But I mean, physically carbon tubes could be could work or they even those are not physically able to get to thirty six thousand kilometers. I think there's a lot of uncertainty still because a lot of ways you can make them and people think about weaving them together together extra strong. So I think it's possible. Nobody knows exactly how to do it. But I certainly wouldn't say it's ruled out it's definitely in the category of things that the people imagine you'd have to find the right solution. Like, right, engineering materials allusion, and one of the problems is that often you're surfing on the backs of other industries like there, if there are other reasons why people are trying to push to make long carbon nanotubes. Then cool space elevator can wait until some other industry figures out the problem, and then they can just order big tube. Right problem is nobody else really needs carbon nanotubes thousands of miles long. Right. We need them for electric, electrical, connectivity and all sorts of other applications that are, you know, millimeters or centimeters there spider-man's betterman needs them. He makes them himself though. And he's not shared the patent. So we're screwed from that point of view. So you need a dedicated effort to develop these things to be long enough for space. Elevators and that's expensive. That's a huge investment. You're saying it's got NASA industry. Like, there's a lot of -application of them in in solid state physics and biophysics and using them for all sorts of stuff. But most of the applications they can be pretty short, right? He's the use them for connectivity. For circuits for filtering stuff for picking stuff out of other kinds of GU but nobody really L nobody else other than space. Elevators needs them to be this long. So you need. Somebody develop it. But you know, there are people out there who are working on people who think this would be awesome or people who correctly think it would be huge economic windfall. The first person to build a space elevator, you know, and instead of charging twenty thousand dollars per kilo, ka charge, like they're very reasonable price of five hundred dollars per kilo. We'll get a lot of business. Well, but you're saying this might be Chiba with a few. If we invest enough money into it might be right? Somebody needs to develop the technology to build these long cables into to make them robust, and you know, people estimate how much this might cost. It's really just speculation. 'cause nobody really knows to research. Right. You have a moment of inspiration and figure something out tomorrow or you could think billions of dollars in and get nowhere. But it's definitely in the billions tens of billions of dollars category in terms of research projects. Just people saying, hey, you give me twenty billion dollars. I'll get you the space. I wouldn't believe a firm price tag. But that's probably the right. Order magnitude is ten twenty billion to. Nope. Into build this thing. And you know, some people are talking about like trying it first on the moon because the moon much easier because the gravity's much lighter on the moon. So the space elevator would need to be as high would need to be as long. It's not as risky. He made like as base elevator from the moon out into space to take offering the moon. Yes, exactly out into orbit around the moon, just as sort of a warm up project. Because also imagine you build a space elevator, and it's working fine. And then it breaks, right? That could be a big disaster. Like what if it breaks where the the cable snaps at the top end, then this huge cable falls from the sky rise. And it's as you said it's long as the circumference of the earth. So like, where's this thing? At a falls going to slice people in half. Like seems crazy. It would keep falling for a long time. Yeah. Or it's the bottom, right? Then you dragging this like very sharp. Hot fast moving. Cable across the surface of the earth. Right. Wow. Then of these pictures, Henry Rosie. No, exactly. And so if you're considering investing this elevator company think about the lead ally. Bility's right. Wow. Well, which is why I think we should just make it out of spider webbing, which is. Despite Herman answer your phone calls days. Have you movie two hundred million dollars? You know, one of my favorite science fiction stories is about a physicist who has an idea for some awesome technology, and he can't get any funding agencies to fund it for him. So instead, he pitches it to Hollywood is a movie and the movie, and he uses Hollywood huge budget to build the, quote, unquote, prop of his device, and it actually works. And so he uses Hollywood is way to fund his research. You should pitch it as movie. A movie about a guy who talks about a story about a physicist. The sounds like an awesome. It's I can just imagine you're going to like a movie studio head of being K, sir. Can I give you? My quick elevator. Pitch. That's right. We have we're taking the space elevator. So I have ten days to give you my pitch for this movie. He too. So that's the that's the space elevator. It's it's who to liberate us from this need for rocket fuels rockets, which are explosive in an expensive. That's right. And we didn't even get touch on it. But very briefly like you could avoid having to carry all the energy for the space elevator by like using laser beams shoot laser beams from the ground send energy up there or use carbon nanotubes you could they can be fide. So they can send the electricity along the wire like a like an electric bus or something gun. Stop right there and just call it a laser space limiter just sell laser Vader, a late laser space Vader. How you're gonna get the space. I'm gonna laser Vate my way to space. Cool. Good luck with that. Where a helmet. Yeah. But I think the stuff is important. I think it's interesting. I think if we're going to build a space industry, if we're gonna develop humanity into space, and and you know, populates base and all that kind of stuff we gotta get started. We gotta get over this hump where it costs so much money to get something into space, and it's so risky takes months of planning. Right. It has to be more routine has to be cheaper. Yeah. Yeah. Avengers get on it. So or have to listen to all that. If somebody builds the space elevator, would you pay to take a ride up into space? Let's do the calculation say kost two hundred dollars per kilo. Right. Then how much would how much would you ride in the space elevator cost? How much for me away that says like ten thousand bucks? Or something far? Would you spend ten thousand bucks to get into space? Totally. Yeah. Wouldn't you? I mean, if it was Viney was safe will all take your deposit right now. What was your credit card number? No, I probably would think getting to be up in space would be would be Zillah reading. Of course, the price jobs that low then, you know, a lot of people do it maybe won't feel as exciting anymore. I think it would also depend on who's going on the elevator with me when you're on a transatlantic flight you like stare at the window agog at the technology anymore. No, you probably just like watching movies. You lowered the window. You know, what's going on outside? Right people. Adapt pretty quickly this kind of stuff like a real elevator. Right. Like should a real elevator to someone ten thousand years ago to what go? You can go up a thousand feet up into the air just by getting onto box these days, people impatiently mashing the buttons cursing the thing for being so slow right humans never satisfied. So many told me that New York is the only place where the closed-door bun actually works. What you say closer button doesn't usually work. I think they're for. Oh my God. That blows my mind you serious. Yeah. You ever been in one where it actually works? I don't know. I had the impression that frankly, mashing that. But did something. Yeah. No, no. I'm gonna apply that I'm gonna apply that technique to other places, you know, like having a knob out. But now my office door says complained to professor people mash the button feel satisfied ring ring doorbell for physics answers. And it doesn't do anything doesn't do. It just pulls up a copy of our book. We have no idea. Answer. So there you go. There you go. Well, I hope the next time. You get into an elevator. New maybe magin yourself getting onto these space meter and imagine when you get off the UP and a whole different world, or I imagine that maybe one of our listeners has heard about space. Elevators for the first time. It is so inspired that he or she will sink their fortunate into investing in space. Elevators and make it real actually go to make it. So John the carpet in gauge all right? Thanks for listening everybody. 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I WanNa pick up where she left off, but she sent me the book and I read it in a day. And I thought Oh my gosh. Everything is here for the making the compelling documentary. I remember the you know. She was riding. She got a green light to ride a just an article of maybe a one time thing for Los Angeles magazine, but Hearing from the editors and one of them, saying this was the greatest piece of writing I've read since Truman Capote I was like Jeez. Louise it's that good but I guess it was that good Yeah, you know she She's an incredible writer, and she really humanizes survivors and victims of these cases, and really had such a talent in. Bringing to life this your. and Leading her words. We just thought it was such an incredible blueprints for doing this in audiovisual way, and it's no wonder that. ARTICLE INTO A book deal and Unsurprising to me that H was, don't you? Book into documentary. And what what's also interesting to is usually it's it's not about the author. It's about the subject, but this is especially in episode three. This is very much about Michelle and her famous husband. Patton oswalt, and their little girl, and of course everyone talking about her in the past tense and She's not interviewed for this. You can pretty much to together if you didn't hear. What happened to her, but? Is it hard to walk the line between talking about this horrific person who's committing these crimes and yet also keeping it so human and going on this journey with Michelle posthumously. Both those. Really hard to immerse ourselves in the dark and. Stay killer, but also the darkness of Michelle. Obsession and and her her school to bow. Demands of motherhood with the demands of time to write a book with the demands of trying to solve the case. but I think one of the things that the of Michelle story in the Golden State killer story does so well. And felted in the edit if that you know. What gets start. Public the other to kind of give you a break so the. Allows you to kind of not get to pulled into one and kind of creates the balance that I think. I need to absorb it such dark potential. Got More questions for Elizabeth Wolf co-director of all be Gone Dark Sundays and HBO. The The thing about her slew thing to and I think she surprised herself. Sometimes help says she was with it, and trying to balance as you said you know working being a mom being a wife all the other things. The cufflinks that we saw and then finding out that the cufflinks want a match something that had been stolen and found its way on on online auction site. Is that the kind of the introspection as we sort of see through her writing that she asks herself why? Why is she so making this an all encompassing thing for her? Ideal beginning when she wrote that magazine Article and then part of the book it was always. Part of those pieces that she was going to put herself in the narrative that. At an Avatar for for you're. UPSET TRUECAR. It allows the leader and if few of this documentary to kind of put yourself in that place, and and understanding wires upset with the true crime. Why why did you Traffic to Doug Stories and This is something that Michelle wrote a lot about. She took copious notes. She really tried to go into her psyche. Drug pass to understand why. That's material why fascination with unsolved crime? And you know and that was part of the book and because it was such a beautiful part of the gawping you that going to be a part of our exploration, the documentary series so that the series is not just this true crime story Abou. It won't say killer it also has this mayor of a Meta exploration about cultural fascination with true crime. There's no doubt and I know. There's some pushback about that, but if you think about. You know just the way the police I should say not cooperation, but lack thereof and how you know the Zodiac killer and bay area police. You know organizations couldn't get together. The fact that Ted Bundy could get on a plane and fly to Florida the fact that when the golden state killer went south. Everyone's like now. It's a different guy I. It's frustrating to watch this and to I mean now. We have national databases and things, but we almost got dragged kicking and screaming for these police organizations to cooperate with each other. Very is is a window into. How much technology has brought law enforcement together both. Databases and just the Internet and. Various communication technology, but but also also how how state law enforcement is. You know they're stretched thin and so much of law enforcers. Budget goes towards you know. Prevention Putting out fires, and not necessarily building to cold cases I think I read somewhere that three percent the out. Police Budget SPEC cold cases. There's just not enough bandwidth to do the research that is needed for some of these cases breath of bond polls. Final question for you one thing that we have seen in the first three episodes. Is the fact that this guy. Didn't get off on. Raping or killing or stealing, he got off on causing terror. So when you hear these heavy breathing phone messages I'm going to kill you. Were there times in the Edit Bay when the hair stood up on your arms? I. They were either terrified of crying most days. It's very dark place for. Our chicken, and if I never hear that Heavy bleeding recording again. I would be happy that because We certainly heard it. Time. Didn't mean to infer Harry arms by the way just. It's a it's a figure of speech. Elizabeth will co-director all begun in the dark at Sundays. At Hbo, you can catch up on the three if you might of missed it and we still have three to come, it's it's fascinating creepy stuff, and it's also unlike anything else. Because with the macnamara angle as well Elizabeth congratulations on that, and let's catch up down the road. Thank you so much for having me Rick. 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The hard throwing right hander for the. Chicago White Sox. has opted out. He was one of the big names in the Chris Sale Trade your I remember. It was December of two thousand, sixteen where I. Was Very mad that Chris sale is going to the red sox. Is the rich getting richer? They going to win the world series and they did, but they paid a price to get him, and that was Michael Kopech, their top pitching prospect. You on Moncada. He was the guy that was supposed to be the other. Big Star. Then a couple of other guys as well, but it was basically Kopach and Moncada. The, the big names. And MONCADA. For. If you think about coming into his own. last year the guy hit three fifteen with twenty five home runs. I mean he's really starting to pay dividends and at the time I said. That's the kind of trait I wish. Billy bean would make. You get basically their best young position player and their best pitching prospect, the only time in the history of billy bean, being a GM that he get a top prospect was when he traded Ben Zobrist to the royals for Sean the Niagara who has their top pitching prospect. That's the only time otherwise you get miles head. That's who you usually would get. But anyway back to Michael Kopech. You'd say okay. He opted out. There's something wrong no. He's not going to get paid. He's coming back from Tommy John Surgery. Now some people said well. Even though he's healthy, he doesn't want to risk his arm during a short season. And that's and by the way if you opt out, you don't know anyone an explanation not now. You don't you don't know anybody an explanation? As much as the press would say, what are you doing? What are you doing? You don't want the money what's wrong with you? The GM there. Rick Hahn said quote Michael. Kopech has informed of of his decision not to participate in the two thousand twenty season. We recognize that reaching this decision is incredibly difficult for any competitive athlete and our organization is understanding and supportive. So why did he opt out? He said well think about this he he just turned twenty four. And, he came in for the summer. camp. He was gonNA play, and then he left, and he said. He has left for personal reasons now. Here's the thing about Kopech why I'm bringing them up. He's been very open about his battle with anxiety and depression. He deleted all his social media accounts last year. He told this acog attribute that he was quote laying down my weapons and embracing all my fears and quote. Now here's the thing Don Cooper. WHO. Excuse me has been the pitching coach in Chicago for what fifty years. He was talking to the Chicago sun-times. And he's concerned. He said. Quote! I don't know what is going on with Michael. But I know he deals with some anxiety and depression and my thought is. I sure hope he's okay. And I hope he gets back to where he needs to be where he's feeling good and wants to come back because we will welcome him back with open arms. Last time I saw him in spring training. He was in a great place. But. Let me put it this way I. Sure Hope The kid is okay. I'm concerned that he's not okay. Wow. As I said he's not a high risk individual. He will not collect one time. He will not collect a year of service time either. Because Han confirmed. He is one hundred percent healthy. In fact if you WANNA, go back to the CACTUS league. He was pitching, and he was hidden a hundred on the gun. This is why he was the top pitching prospect for the Boston, red sox and a first round pick. A hundred miles per hour. Now Cooper said he hasn't heard anything. About him worried about getting ramped up, he hasn't heard anything about a new injury. He had Tommy John He went to spring training and he was hitting a hundred. So the decision to opt out is obviously personal on as I said his health. Both mental and physical is his business. Maybe his physical health is the white sox business, but not his mental health. So if Kopech chooses to explain has decision. That's great, but it doesn't have to. You can talk about Kobe nineteen nine. You can talk about Tommy John. You can talk about anxiety all that stuff and all that stuff. Gets stigmatized right, but if he decides to keep himself okay, then that's the most important thing, but cooper is concerned. About Kopech delay, anyone would be concerned about a friend during these adverse times. Especially when you've got everything, right out there in front of you and you're healthy and you're hitting hunter under the gun and you're GONNA get another year of service time closer to free. Agency. You think Zack Wheeler one for a lot of money. What do you think Kopech we go for? So for him to doubt. He's got a new elbow ligament. He's healthy. Is he going to get help? We. Don't know if he's GonNa get help. But the thing for him was, and I don't know when this is. The depression started. But when he made his MLB. MLB debut two summers ago. He came in. He got shelled, and then he blew out his elbow. He only pitched fourteen and a third. And he allowed eight earned. And then you're out for a year. So maybe that's something to do with it to who knows, but we have seen. In recent times when it comes to depression, there's been some NBA players. That have talked about it very openly, and we're talking about good NBA players. In fact, it was the Marta rose and praised. Kevin love to come out and talk about when he said. And derozen said it made me feel you know pretty damn good honestly, so it's cool to be able to help somebody. And the Rosen did a long interview with the The Toronto Star read before He. Of, course ended up getting dealt, but The. The quote was the Star Wars. It's one of them things that no matter how indestructible we look like we are. We're all human at the end of the day. Sometimes, it gets the best of you. Were Times everything. Where Times, everything in the world is on top of you. All right I know what he's talking about there. But that's the thing, too. is how to deal with it. One of my favorite comedians. Joe List who's been on the show. He has my favorite podcast. It's called Tuesday's stories with Mark Norman my favorite comedian and all I do is just talk about you know farts and Poo Poo. It's hilarious. It's not for the faint of heart, though if you get offended easily, they're just kidding. There's no such thing as kidding, but he has another one called mindful metal jacket, which is stupid. named for a podcast offense Joe, but it's very good, and he talks to other comedians about depression and anxiety. and. Luckily knock on wood. I've never had depression or anxiety but I know, it can strike at any minute. It can look at. I. Mean Henry Showman. The giants beat writer. The Chronicle said after Aubrey huff had his `bout in New York City. We wouldn't get on the plane and go to Florida. That helmet said I've had panic attacks. So. It's weird I said the closest ever got to it I. WAS ON TV coming back from a break with Greg. Papa Chronicle live and all of a sudden I, felt like I was going to faint, and I was like this a panic attack or am I just choking, but I was fine. So I don't know what's going on. But Anyway Joe List says that his there's a psychologist in Greenwich Village. That does all the COMEDIANS and he says pay me what you think I'm worth, so some guys gave them twenty bucks. Guys get two hundred, bucks. He says when you're getting Ziobro. Don't run from it. Just say this is anxiety. You know just recognize what it is. It's things -iety. You're having it right now. It's not going to hurt you. It's you're creating it yourself. You know noth-. Nothing is is making. You're getting Zaidi. It's different than worrying about something. Because you can get it, it works definitely in every person. But I know for some people. It is debilitating. I remember in college. People have a paper in their anxiety was through the roof. It'll never get done as I. sit down and type it, but are you doing? It'll never get done. Put Paper in the typewriter and start typing. But as I said it affects everybody differently and Michael Kopach has an amazing future in front of them baseball. Hopefully mentally he's GonNa, be okay. One Eight, hundred, eight, seven, eight I'm rick. Tidwell come on back on Sports Bob. Option. As well. Talk. South. You need auto parts O'Reilly auto. Dot Com, just a few clicks away. We offer convenient options for you to get your parts quickly or online. Pick up for free at your local O'Reilly. Auto parts store. We'll even bring it out curbside. 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Thank you and welcome to the show Rick Tuttle with you coast to coast around the border, Blah Blah Blah Blah, one, eight, hundred, eight seven eight play emails recruit sports byline Dot Com. Dave, in Vegas Rights in probably listening on K.. HP Down there. Rick. Would you take the three favorites or the field? To win the world series in other words I'll give you Yankees dodgers, Astros, or field. Who Do you take? Thanks for the email Dave. That's a great question. And My. Excuse my knee jerk. Reaction is the field. Because it's. You know in a sixty game season somewhere is going to happen. Now who would have taken the nationals last year especially at the star break, who would have taken the nationals nobody? I don't even think Dave Martinez. Would of US trying to hold onto his job literally? The Astros aren't gonNA. Have Garrett Cole. Everybody hates them. The dodgers will be strong. The Yankees will be. Strong excuse me even though Paxon's banged up and. they have no chapman right now. But? I don't know. If you look at Below average clubs sneaking into the playoffs. It is possible. But you know. David prices opt out. That also makes the dodgers just that much. Weaker 's well. If you think about. Twenty seven teams versus three, obviously, those aren't the three favorites, but twenty seven teams have a chance to rise up. Instead of three. That's another one there. But if you had to pick one individual team, you'd probably think it would be one of those, but. Now I'M GONNA. Go ahead and say some team like you know who knows like the. will pop up and win it. Thanks for the. Let's go to the phone lines. One Eight, hundred, eight seven eight play. We have my main guy. Armand how you doing buddy. What's going on right? I had a question for you so the other station I don't know how frequently you've been on there because I haven't listened much, but I hear they have a top ten. List of Bay area athletes all the time. Did you participate in that giving them this or something like that? No I have not worked there since December so I was not asked. How of okay well Alad with cheap yeah. Oh, goodness! Oh well. I'm still greg. When I can't It was funny to see some of these people could. Willie mays either not on the list just because they didn't see Or they had them at seven. you know I'm just looking at a lot of the great baseball players that have been this area. They had ricky at five with the fans and Willie mays six I guess Barry Basel de Number Four today And I'm just looking at this when we look at the top bay area athletes. I know steph curry is going to be up in top two. Probably and I think that's a travesty, and it's nothing against Steph, but when I look at the careers, Willie mays very bonds and Rickey Henderson. There's no way in hell with all the time they put in. Steph curry the ahead of them I think steph curry and lease has to finish his career and we see what else he accomplished. Before you? Put Him ahead of those guys. As we talk about the of the very best I, mean you. Half Willie mays have some people may consider the best all around player in the history of the gains. Some people may think is. Definitely the best hitter of all time home run leader regardless of what you think about him taking the juice or not. Ricky the greatest leadoff hitter of all time, and not only that I think he's very underrated and a top ten player of all time with everything that he brought to the table. For steph curry to pass those guys considering what they accomplish, I think we need to let his career finish when you think about that. Well there's no doubt there's GonNa. Be Some. Bias and I remember working with some guys. You talked about how growing up. They liked. Te'o and I'm like growing up. Like Te'o, so there's a lot of young guys in there, but I think if you if you care about sports. You have to take a look at the guys you didn't see and if you look at what you know, Babe Ruth did when he was hit more home runs than every other team and he was a world series winning pitcher. Can't say well. I never saw him play. You have to get. You have to look at what Willie mays. Did you have to put him at the top? I understand when it comes to favorites. Yes, Steph Curry curries my favorite basketball player of all time. He's a guy who's younger than me. He's my favorite player. Of all time. No one's brought me more joy than Steph Curry, but you have to be a little bit more. His historical based when you want to say greatest. Yeah and you know I agree with you. Look crave like I'm a Steph Curry Fan, and not a standing. They appreciate what he's brought. Especially to the warriors who that'd be on the summit is also has to do with the fact that a lot of people haven't seen the water succeed life, everybody that followed that seventy five championship. I have no idea if most of those people are still living shot the end, though silly of course, but they were so long ago that you know for some people. If you saw that team, win a championship, you know probably a kid. If you are older adult, you know who knows how you are now before the majority of the Sand Bass. Nestle. Be honest you didn't see. The warriors have success I can't remember seeing every berry play period. So for Steph curry to do what he's done and warriors win, and I think that has a lot to do with it, and it just takes away from a lot of the great players who of tickets to see or we grew up hearing about no way in hell that you cannot not have Willie mays and your top story of all the time. The man was some nominal player. He's intelligent, and then when I look at Barry Bonds I gotta say this. I don't care what he was or wasn't taking. When you get maybe two or three pitches to hit in an entire week, let's not forget the amount of walks. This guy was getting you of what they call the unintentional or intentional walk. The actual intentional walks in the second. You, know you knew you weren't going to get that. Good of a pitch to hit and instead of kind of opening up as strike zone and trying to force, it would take the one that is not easy. It takes a whole lot of discipline mentally. Hitter he was meant to have the talent to finish it. I mean you can't. You just can't overlook that and Ricky. You know I was watching highlights with him stealing basis. You know I remember hearing Joe Morgan. Say invented the fly step because they're raking. You know they do not do the things and baseball now. That I would never grown out when you have since calm in Willie, McGee and all those guys Willie Wilson and say Ricky half from records that will never be broken the stolen basis. Nobody's touching one thirty, fourteen, O six, one hundred. You have some Ricky's other seasons where he stole what seventy seven basis. Eighty basis. They're not even going to do that for who knows how long that's how great he was. And you and you think about what the object of the game. It's the score runs. No one scored. More runs. Exactly. So we're getting in today's real quick. What are you count on this season? I heard something about Ardoz and quarantine or something like that. Can't we actually win a playoff series? Here is what ten teams in the playoffs. Yeah, I don't know it's. It's billy. Bean is one one series that was of course against the twins back in the day I think that on the one hand short season helps the as on the other hand you think about how they always get off to a slow start. And hopefully that's just April and May but I mean if everyone's healthy with in the rotation with maniacal Montas fires I guess puck and Lazardo. That's bad. If you go, you got gold. Glover's on each corner you got to. The shortstop was third and MVP voting. I like. Lori, on on center. Katie's supposed to be back. We'll see if he is or not. Scotty can hit I. Don't know about second base just yet because it's GonNa. Be Tony. Camper Franklin Baretto or Chad Pin or whatever? They're really praising Baretto, but you know so. Guard was spring training too, so but. I don't have any faith in Liam Hendriks. I know it was an all star I. Don't have any faith in Yo came. Sorry I don't have any faith in Lieu Trevino. J Wendell can is he real? I have no faith in Jake Diekmann. Use Marrow Petite is fifty fifty. He's either greater horrible so I'm a little worried about the bullpen. And left field. Is there going to Canada or not Robbie Grossman? Yeah unfortunately it probably be a platoon between Canada and and and gross men and. I don't know Seth Brown Chad pender. You know I think that you know with the angels. They acquired Peterson and then that trading author. Jack out there, because at least I know, we'll get more lefty power. He strikes out a Lotta averages. Are that high? But you know I'd rather have him. I think he's a pretty solid outfielder, but yeah. Second base is a complete waste. I've never seen second base. Be this big of a weakness for good team that the has had I don't know if they'll make trade or something like that, but they've got to get that resolved, but you know this is what has when you draft Tyler Murray and he actually had options. Wow another! Time, but I mean jerks. Some profile far could not play any defense. He didn't hit for average and he drove in runs. But I mean you look last year. The cubs played Tony Camp and he had to twelve, and this is our starting. I'd rather have sheldon noisy out there. At least they'll hit some. Yeah so I have no idea that's going to play out, but I'm thinking that they will make the play offs and you know. They gotta get that first game or series, and whatever gets into the next round, and hopefully I can kinda look them up, but it it really makes no sense for them to have the ninety seven, ninety eight, whereas the last two years, and you can't at least win one of these two years especially last year against Tampa Bay. That was just discussing. They gotta start him in the playoffs. Yeah I was luckily in England covering the raiders when that happened. I didn't have to sit through that disaster. Hey, thanks for the call that I appreciate it and let's talk soon buddy. It'll come on back on sports. Alabama. We are the debt destroyer network any debt. You have credit card tents. Student loan debt called Al For free information that helps you destroy your debt. 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Hey, everybody, we're back here. And then they play, and then it's just echoes and thumps and emptiness. But. I noticed watching the Tottenham game at Saint James's park, which is in new castle that. They when Tottenham was on a break, the crowd I went and got louder and I'm like that's fake. Because in real life, the crowd we get quiet. They would not be getting excited seeing Tottenham go down! And, maybe score a goal. Tim Healy the mets. He put out a tweet. Saying this is what they're doing right now. At City field and that is the crowd is like doing a murmur. The Guy Hits the ball. And then the guy catches the ball that it's. Even louder. And it's weird because the mets are playing the mets. Now some people who have experienced it I saw. Like it. And Justin Turner of the dodgers is one of those guys. He said, speaking to the crowd noise. It's way better than having nothing in the stadium and just silence. I enjoyed it. It gave me a little bit of adrenaline. Just having that noise and random cheers. Hopefully it's something that we have and most stadiums have hopefully everything moves in a direction, or we can safely to fans being able to watch us again. So not just the dodgers and mets phillies the raise the Yankees. They're all going to try it as well. Zach Britton of the ANC said I think it's a good idea after going to allow a steady crowd noise to be pumped in, that would be good for the guy's. Obviously, it gets pretty quiet. Yes it does all right. We'll see as they experiment with it. Thanks tuning in tomorrow on the show. We'll be back. Jan Wall will join us. It'll be so entertaining. That'll start at nine am. Man We don't have brain damage. You're listening to the heartland news. Feed Radio Network Broadcasting Live twenty seven of. This dream is supported by advertisers and contributions by. Follow us on Facebook, twitter and INSTAGRAM's. 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I didn't get a chance to see the update from yesterday over wrestling observer dot com done very well by a multitude of people Dave Brian Joseph currier plenty of other people that pitch in and put up good stuff on the the front page. Of course, obviously Brian Rose around Brian rose. That does the gaming show here? On F, four W video chat out to all the twitch home. He's out there and I am seeing here that Apparently on the bump the show that Brian does not know and will not know unless he is expressly asked by Mackenzie Mitchell apparently The show well, they're going to have a special pay per view addition and I guess this is like the watch along that they do, but here are some of the names that they have announced. Seth rollins is going to be making an appearance there Hopefully that is before he has his eye matched with ray mysterious, because if he loses I, Dunno, if you that hanging out there on TV afterwards hardcore holly. Dudley An NBA star is what it says here although. It would be former. long retired NBA star. Kenny the Jet Smith. Kennedy Smith is on. Coverage of the NBA. So I don't know if this is a a zing, put on by WWe, or not or they just they've got a relationship. He a long standing, relationship, or something like that. I, don't know but shack was a very seemed to be all over the place on. Just got done watching an Steve. About a half hour ago. Actually I saw a w last night. It had chance to catch up with an X. t today, and there are plenty of commercials for Shaq's pizza. In his partnership with Papa John's so I could see ww trying to do something like that. They might as well just go all out and get Ernie Johnson as well to get Charles. Barkley to show up. In fact I'm pretty sure. WWe could get Charles Barkley to show up so I wonder if that could be part of their plan that just sort of happened to come together at the same way that the great American Bash just sorta happened to come together. During these those couple weeks of fighter fest, which took place in I gotta be honest, and maybe this is just recency bias, getting in the way here but. I actually thought an X. t was the better show last night. I really did and not to say that eighty W A was a bad show at all. It wasn't i. just think an actually. Last night flowed really well. There weren't a whole lot of down. Moments There were moments that I didn't necessarily care about too much. Robert Stone, and how he was was involved in putting together this Killian Dame Dexter Lou mismatch for next week and Other than that though I mean e Oh and knocks was really good main event. E is just fantastic. Yo sure is one of the best wrestlers in the world. No matter where she is what she's doing. She's just absolutely fantastic. Timothy Thatcher is. Awesome and I look if you can't figure out what to do. Shane obeys ler vince fine. Give her back to H. put her back down in an annex. T I brought it up last week. I kind of joked about the the bad be division. You know the the bad bit. Just send them out there and just pounding on each other, and the same thing goes with Timothy. Thatcher the Denzel. Match I think went to three minutes whatever it was, it didn't matter. He just Thatcher so good and the persona how they're doing those vignettes with him, Kevin guys out I think is thought was awesome and I think you have a maybe they do. I don't pay attention to the shop zone, or whatever it's called all that much, but I can see a Timothy Bachelor. T shirt with you'd better get some ice on that. Get some ice on that I. Think is on a shirt you know in God knows because it's pro wrestling in wwe will be. Be The ugliest black shirt possible that they'll come up with an awful design on it, but you know as a catchphrase V on a shirt. I think it's awesome. Damian, priest and Cameron Grimes you know was not anything epic or anything like that. And and neither was dot die Jack or the the Jack Richer whatever the hell. His name is still digesting. Dammit, and Keith Lee who you know it's still may be digest can leave, but they had a wwe style match last night that. Didn't give away the farm or anything. It was made to be in the middle of the card. It was made to be put on with no build I. Don't know if it was made to be that way, but it happened to be that way because. They. They announced everything weight with keithly but. I thought it was a good idea and I thought it was a good. This is a TV show. Every match that's on this TV, show does not have to be main event. Material does not have to be PWG's spectacular material or even lean digest have done on T. before takeover level now did they had to have match that basically set up of match for next week with digestion with carrying and cross, which ultimately will set up a match with Karen, Cross and Keith Lee and. That sort of stuff, even more than any sort of dramatics that you can use Scarlett Bordeaux and all that stuff. Aesthetically it looks great when it happens, but yeah, I don't even need any of that. I thought they built up the match. You know he's with the backstage deal with those two and throughout the night I thought they did a solid job with that so I thought, it was a really good night for annex. T and And of course there was a the Andy Hartwell shotsie. Blacks are thing which again I'm not in love with that because I'm not in love with the whole Roberts stone thing in the whole deal, the feud with shots, but hey, you know if that's the worst thing that happened on his show, you know your night was pretty good, so I thought everything flowed really well to. And you know also as well to the FANTASMA team. I thought that Vignette was awesome as well too, and when you have Fantasma, Santos Escobar when you have correo. Hector Garza. Would you have Indrawati? You know there has not been an American company unless you WanNa count, which underground I. Guess is an American Company and I I. Don't know if you could really do that I. There's not been anyone that's been able to tap in to the the Mexican. Fan Base in, really. You know create stars and. They have a bounty right now and I know they have a ridiculous amount of talent. You know up and down male female you know from all over the world. They have a load of talent at their disposal, but man. If you can't do it now, you know more than ever with the people that you have i. don't know when you'll ever be able to do it. W. W, you know this is a big opportunity for you and your boy, the talents there and they are glossy, and they look good and Fantasma. If given the opportunity with the way he speaks English and I know it's. Terrible, but hey, you know that that's the way it goes. You know most other wrestling companies. You can get a character over. You can use managers as things you can do. You'd never had the the reliant on your verbal skills, but wwe for thirty years. That's been the most important thing is how you are out there. Without a manager, you know a lot of these guys who are Spanish I as far as their language goes always have suffered now. You have fantasma right there. You have Santos Escobar right there. What will be the excuse then? You know what's going to be the excuse. If if it because he can't speak the language, he's not project. What is it what's going to be the excuse? Hopefully, there's not hopefully there's none and these guys continue to get over I know. Push up close to break here and there's GonNa be a lot to talk about with a W.. Two, coming up a little bit later on at about forty past the hour. Efi is going to join me and there's so much I want to get into with him. In an icon in the professional wrestling LGBTQ, community and on the scene is well to, and that's exactly the way I'm going to do some because he had a lot of stuff set up wrestlemainia weekend that was looking really awesome, and not the least of which was a match against our own filthy Tom Lawlor my tag tea party around the Post. UFC shows here for all the twitch homeys into subscribers of F. Four W video. They were going to have a match up at bondage. Bondage ago-go, he had the big Brunch, and all those plans unfortunately went out the window as well as so many others did want to talk to him about that and just so much else going on, and not the least of which is the return of Jesus W they've held a couple of shows already homecoming, coming up to like twenty fifth and twenty six streaming live on fight TV. GonNa get into that and so much more one eight, hundred eighty seven eight play. We'll be back. Have you written a book? 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He talks about ratings discussion primarily that of an xt ws insist quote. It's really easy to get caught up in the weeds lake for X. amount of weeks. We be wwe the ratings or get into this wild demo discussion. If you ever see me tweeting about the demos. Please just delete my account. Whatever you thinks about Chris Jericho last night. What do you think about Chris Jericho last night, one, eight, hundred, eight, seven, eight, play, one, eight, hundred, eight, seven, eight, seven, five, two nine. At semper V V on twitter. If you're in the chat, twitch homeys! Let me know what you think about. Chris Jericho, and and all that was master trolling. Was it a of Sour grapes? Either way to hear about it as an angle on TV. That was all right with it. I guess because of what it led to. and. In reality as far as history goes because of the way everything played out. The wanted to later on down the line when it comes to building up the next. Chris Jericho are cassidy. Match you just. Lump off that first part about him being the Demo God, and you go right to the Kerry esque situation where the orange juice came down, and we got the gang growl. Bloodbath orange bath blood orange bath. Tuscan oranges or not. Tony Kahn's a Lotta money. Possibly maybe could be I. Don't know. I thought that was a really good moment. Great moment when Jericho actually had a piece of the orange actually in his hair. There for a little bit. It looked fantastic the way they were able to pull it off I the fact that they went to a wide shot. I mean you never would have guessed that. They were going to drop it from that height. I it was something else, and it was I. Mean it was amazing to for those people that didn't see it in that he's got Chris Jericho's in the middle of the ring and he's got both members of proud in powerful on his shoulders. You Got Santana on one side or teases on the other JK Gore is just one spot down in this orange juice came down from. How many feet up in the air and Hagar was barely touched. It wasn't until he started to to jostle about with Jericho that like. That's how perfect landing on this thing was and aesthetically, it was great I thought it was really good again. What what anyone thinks about Jericho in talking about ratings over and over again? You know that's up to you to determine, but I don't think it. It killed the the night or killed the moment or anything like that, and of course we're going to get orange cassidy and Chris Jericho. Jericho at some point down the line I hope that is in front of fans, even in a limited capacity in some sort of way, because it gets being to death by some people I think I. Know Dave Talks about it with Brian on the show, and then it becomes a talking point. Kinda rages on about, are they? Are they giving people too much? How they're building their stars and the big one which is do these guys all need a crowd? Play off of whereas in. Doesn't seem to necessarily be the same thing that La- Soroush. How much does that group lose something without the fans there? How much does cassidy loose something without fans and I don't think it says dramatic. Some people says it is but I. Think it sticks out a lot more like a sore thumb in aws than it does, and you know I think that also has to do with their fans, and I think that is A. A real a should be taken as Kudos. If you're an A. W. Fan I, mean they really make those shows Whereas oftentimes. We talked about with Ron smackdown. You know how data crowd is, and it sounds like everybody's just sitting on their hands where it's. That's the opposite case in eighty. W. You know it's. It's like an indie crowd on steroids a little bit as far as you know their chance in their timing, and they feel as though their job is to try to enhance the show and the the way that they see it and I. I know I've said that in the past and have a W.. WWe Fans just kind of crucified me for that, but the VIBE is just different. It's not a bad thing. It's an awful thing you know how you cheer. It's just it's a different vibe. It's like watching in Japan with how those fans react in a more traditional atmosphere and more of a quiet atmosphere, and and how they are, you know they rise with the match, and it's just. It's just a different experience, and I think the w experience being there live for shows that I've seen. I was in Baltimore and it was a again. It's just a different type of experience, but that's got nothing to do with the show last night. As far as the nuts and bolts of it go, and like I said it wasn't a bad show whatsoever, but that was a lot more downtime on this show, and that we had Kenzi page and JJ inkens against the nightmare, sisters and Dustin Rhodes out there, and it was to move the story along. It was okay. You know they've Brandy and Allie have been working together on dark, so you know. Know, it was a solid match and just kind of moves things forward. We had Nile rose introduced. Vickie Guerrero as a Lotta. People had believed she would do and she's the new manager. There will have to see how that goes. I like Vickie. Guerrero Allot Lot. I'm glad that she's there i. don't I don't know if that would have been my manager for Nile rose or not I'm not even really sure. If Milo rose needed a manager, but you know here we go with it, and it's a way to get Vicki out there and on there so. There you go, cody and sunny kiss. I thought was a good story that was being told there, and obviously they're throwing around a lot of stuff with tully Blanchard, and and the feelings of the four horsemen, and all that sort of stuff and I don't know what direction it's going to go in. You know part of me wonders if there's going to be some sort of a massive swerve or whatever you would call it. It ends up being like cody and his longtime friend Shawn Spears and aren't entirely joining forces getting those two back on track, and then you got FDR next to him, not the worst idea in the world. I don't know, maybe let me know if it's a terrible one or not. But I thought he did a good job with sunny kiss coming in and overconfident. You know nobody. People may have wanted sunny kissed to win, but it was not going to be realistic that they were going to make that move. And that's the one thing with cody is, and that's the challenge every week with him out there doing the aren't Anderson with TV title. How do you make people believe and I? Thought he did a good job with sunny kiss last night, being cocky, telling that story needing. Needing aren't to get in his ass and tell him to get his head out of his ass and to get going, and I. thought that was really good. I liked it in the same way they did that with Kenny Omega as well, too, and while I'm certainly on the you know the record for not being a fan of you know the the cleaner gimmick as it was presented in New Japan. Hey if he's going to start turning or you want. Start adding some some spice into what's going on here? I mean Adam Page I. Don't think anybody wants to see hangman page. Turn dirty. I think people are enjoying him way too much and I think any thought that page is going to turn on. Kenny Omega in turn on the elite. I don't WanNa say that's out the door, but. You want. To be one of your longtime good guys, you know and I. I at this point certainly wouldn't do that I. Think Kenny Omega who has played that role in the past, certainly in new Japan pro wrestling where? He gained a lot of his acclaimed from a lot of people and worked in a style that people would love to see him go back to. The possibility of him turning dirty, I think it works out a lot better, and I think him, and how he acted with Marcos stunt iced. Marco is one of those guys. I to see him go back and forth and give offense and I know everybody's everybody's got a different thing because I talk about how much urge cassidy and different people in with Markov. It's still it's still tough seeing him do tandem moves where he is literally thrown into guys and one example of that was that. Way The way they had filmed. It looked like it defied gravity momentarily. It was like that Buzz Sawyer flying out of the ring spot that he used to do. You seem to like hover through the ropes out of the ring I thought that was an awesome spot where Lucia Soars and jungle boy pulled him up. Over the ropes from the floor, and he pulled off that hurricane run I thought that was awesome. Seeing him go back and forth with with Kenny Omega You know I it still, I'm still a little bit. The twisted on that venial Bryan Alvarez all four that absolutely unbelievable thing, no problem whatsoever with Kenny Omega, instead maybe a little much, but can you make a certainly got his heat back afterwards by continuing to Pummel on. Poor Marco so I thought that pulled off pretty well with. Cage and Jon Moxley. If it wasn't for Darby. Allen I think that would have been a disappointing ending to that match with task throwing the towel, even though they explained really well, why from a physical point of view he wanted out of that match or why Tasr would have wanted him out of that match. I still thought it Kinda whack, but then with Darby Allen Day viewing I'm not saying that that's going to be the only thing anybody remembers because I thought it was a decent match between Moxley, engaged, and I thought they told a pretty good story, but Darby Allen coming back. That's awesome and to see him go back, and forth with TASR and the guy actually have the F. T. W. title. WHO'S NOT A bad gas or Or May Guy if anybody has said f the world guy like RV Allen and that's something i. think is is going to be kind of cool and I know. We're going to be running up against a break here and I know you got EFI coming on so I. Want to get to the phones here I know. Derek is in New Jersey. He's been waiting for a while Eric. How are you good how you doing? I'm doing all right. Sorry Betcha up against time here. We got about forty five seconds or so, so what's on your mind? All right I shatter the twitch. homeys the one thing that really liked about the yeah TASR into cage. Thing is that they clearly knew this was the ending, or at least I think they clearly knew that this the ending way back when? They had has come out with the towel very beginning attack, you know. After the first time last night. You probably would've thought something was up. Second thing is loves Jericho. Segment Ortiz selling. What's awesome, thank you. 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That's Promo Code Radio Ad Coverage. Dear, dot, com, coverage gear, DOT, com. We've got you covered. You're listening to wrestling observer. Live with Bryan, Alvarez and Mike Super Vivey on the sports byline broadcasting network. Except for me back with your wrestling endeavor live coming up. July twenty, fifth and twenty six in Atlantic City New Jersey game changer wrestling holds their. I believe their third show since restrictions have eased up in the midst of all of this pandemic that's been going on, and it's a big one gw homecoming live streaming on fight, TV, and joining me right now to talk about that and so much else per wrestling superstar, the one and only EFI is here, EPI. How are you today? Yeah, I really good now. Sympathy told me a superstar. That's incredible. How do you feel as though you're a superstar? You are a a iconic mentioned it earlier on, not only are you creating such an incredible presence? Obviously LGBTQ, community, as far as I'm concerned with what you had planned this year during Wrestlemania weekend I looked at it as a independent wrestling icon that you have become in a very short period of time, my friend. I think I'm like my dad a little bit and when I'm in my work, my nose down. It's like what's next. What's next like what tricks up my sleeve? Three months from now so I never liked taking in the appreciation of what's actually happening, but obviously there's been growth I feel the growth. We sold tickets at the event. That unfortunately didn't get to happen that. I think we're going to be sort of the most unique event of the weekend because it was a lot of unknown names, a lot of people in the. Community, that hadn't had a stage clashing sort of with the regulars, and and having that in a big Florida city in the middle of Wrestlemainia I would have been an important step, but now you know we've got the chance to rebuild it and get some more people on the map, too. So I'm not too worried. One name that you had and obviously we have so much to talk about with Uber One name that was going to appear on that show certainly put on. I don't know if it was the performance of his career, but I would argue that it was certainly the performance of his career in aws last night on dynamite, sunny kiss and cody Rhodes. What did you think about sunny last night? And how his progress has come along? Sunny is someone that likes from the moment you. During the locker room and there's a magnetism around them. There's a sort of just physical charisma about signing the smile personality, the physical presence, and so to see him on a big cable television network, fighting for a championship with you know one of the bigger former WWE I. It's very It's rewarding, and it's uplifting, and it should kind of give a spark. Spark of hope to everybody there and it was wonderful. Cody. Kinda come out on the ledge and say hey I. IF YOU'RE GONNA if you're gonNA. Come here, talking crap, then you're going to have a problem with me. You're going to have to take me on. Because these are my performance, I believe in, and those are the kinds of allies chances we need. How has everything kind of come along? Because you have not been in this game for a long period of time, but you really seem to have come along at the right time, and there's a lot of people where. More of the acceptance in the wrestling community of people who are. Either different or unique, or whatever it is just a opening across the board for a lot of different things whether it be race, creed culture, whatever it is, and obviously the gay community and professional wrestling for a long time has been pushed to the side. It has always been there, but it has always been boxed into a corner, and since have started in the last couple of years. How has how have you seen grow? Grow and you know. How have you seen it for the community? I mean from my point of view sitting in from the outside. It seems like a lot of great progress has been made, but obviously you know the progress gets shiny, but some of the the hard work underneath you know gets missed, and what have we? What have you learned and what has wrestling learned as in this last couple of years have grown. I think wrestling is a business is always fun to look at it and I. Think it's always a when you're looking entertainment, and what people are spending their money on it that good financial look at what is popular, and what is happening and what I saw in the last few years is a lot of these that were mainstay promotions that we're bigger. Independence didn't necessarily change with the Times, and they financially suffered from it. It and all the time ever thinking. Hey, we can't have gay people in our circus, GonNa, come in to see the game people to burn coming to the people who are gender non binary. They're not coming to see trans talent. Once we created an environment that was safe for people to come enjoy those athletes. We saw an increase in the promotions that were bringing people in. That didn't necessarily bring as many of them in. In before and taking these steps to say, maybe it wasn't Maybe it wasn't that there aren't gay wrestling fan. Maybe they couldn't come into this building. Maybe they didn't feel safe. In these places, so like creating a wrestling environment that is safe for everyone to come into no matter how you identify no matter who you are no matter if you're no matter if you have a disability, creating a safe zones brings more people. People in the companies that have taken that part's stance against homophobia against racism against sexism have seen an increase because people feel safe coming to wrestling now, and they wanna come see deep athletes that look like that represent them, and that are a little more show implant point that years ago. Maybe it wouldn't have been the top on the car, but it's because people couldn't get into the building to see it without feeling uncomfortable. How his game changer wrestling, been able to help that along because I. Look at you know there's a lot of great independent wrestling promotions out there beyond and W, and defy, and there are just so many all over the place and Game Changer, though to me has done the most unique job of faming shows in really doing the best job on the independent scene of kind. Kind of you know in their own way Lhasa wing groups of people and kind of bringing together whether they realize it or not, by having a different types of of themed shows, attitudes and being what seems to me to be quite progressive and how they look at things. What is it like to work with them? Because I know you were working in conjunction with them, Wrestlemainia. How do you look at that promotion and where it fits on the independent wrestling scene? GW's unique in a couple of as one of those. Ws really only worried about DC w and the other is. You're not interested in replicating wrestling that they've seen before. They're interested in highlighting things that you would see in wrestling, but Detroit's the the cliches. They're not necessarily looking to replicate what wrestling already done. They've kind of got their ear to the street and the thing about game changer is. They're always changing. If something is new, if something is changing. If they stepped in the wrong direction, they're listening. They've got their ears to the streets. Guys like Joey Cannella. They want to show that coolness off, but they also have division to let other people in other voices been because cool isn't just one thing, and that's why I've been able to kind of stay on top of things number one. They're willing to go everywhere and take the risks on travel. The run shows in new markets number two. They're always trying something new, and if it works cool, let's stick with. With it if it doesn't, we got a hundred other ideas and a lot of companies are stared to God on that that latch and try something new, because there is risk associated with that, but now when you really listening to the people that are paying customers, really to what they're reacting to the most game changers always ahead of that curve because they're not scared to stay in one little south. Did you have this in your mind? When you got into wrestling or you getting into wrestling? Just because you liked it, and he wanted to to go out there and perform. because. It seems like you whether you have intended to do it or not. Obviously a big flag bearer and a big torch carrier. For the entire scene, and you're not only in your in the Lgbtq community, but as I mentioned in the independent wrestling humidity was this. Did you have these types of grandiose thoughts in mind? Did you have this this leadership in mind when you started off or did it just kind of happen that way? Well. Definitely had it in mind and I think. I came to the game a little later. I didn't start training until I was twenty. Three I was running a business in Florida. I was running a moving company I. Continue doing that another seven or eight years, and through my time in wrestling. I think I sort of came into it as like okay, I'm a business person and I'm a performer second, and so. I started looking at the way they were running shows at the tower, being treated looking at the way, things were being kept secret and. Realizing that if we actually all help each other, we're going to get a lot further, and so that mindset of like the whole show is the show if you're if you're in wrestling, and you're only worried about yourself, and you only want to get your stuff over, and you're helping anyone else during not going to grow wrestling and so being able to kind of throw the EGO side of course i. I can have a big ego out. There and I'm performing doing my twelve minutes segment, but there's twenty four hours in the day. We have time to help each other. We have time to grow together and what I've seen like. We're positively helping each other, and we're showing each other. These things to help each other make more money help each other make better merchandise help each other make better performing. Performing decisions when we're taking care of each other, the the whole show grows, and so I wanNA come into this like a business and say look. Let's look at this like a business. Every show is a business. Every promotion is a business. Let's see how we can make things run smoother from an ethical standpoint from doing things and normal moral in business from not keeping secrets from performers about pay. Pay Days and things like that opening these doors of communication between all of us has made all of these shows somewhat better, because we're looking out for each other, and there is I, don't want to say it's a union, but it's we're looking out for each other more now, and if I can be someone who stepped does that he's promoters. Don't intimidate me. Business doesn't intimidate me. This stuff doesn't. I've run a two million dollar business by myself. I've dealt with these people I dealt with supply chains I've dealt profit margin I've hired fired. There's nobody who's really going to intimidate me from a business standpoint, and so if I can be that person to kind of stand there and. I'll take the heat for bringing this idea, but if you guys are into that, let's do it. Who'll let's move forward? As a businessman you know I hate to bring up a sore subject, but obviously everyone suffered after Wrestlemainia we had we had talent after talent for after promoter on talking to them on the weeks after Wrestlemainia it just the headaches they had to go through. How much of a headache was it for you with everything falling through, and did you? How much did you lose out on financially? If you if you did? You are comfortable, enough saying. Yeah I think warhorses could here's numbered around seven grand? A little higher because he was splitting profits I, looking at merger per shale I. Think I had like eleven. Shows books the worst it for me. Right before coronavirus I put in my notice that my job I was going to do this whole time. I was making a lot of money wrestling weekends or loaded I was working during the week, and it was killing me Oh wants a corona virus said I was like look I already did this right now I can choose to be an adaptable performer in state youth this. This out and figure out how I'm to pay my bills or I can sit here and whine and cry I didn't get the pay day. I thought I was supposed to Oh. What was me. We're in a new We're in a new segment now where we can't really have that many live shows gw. It's going crazy. They're calling on all of the stops, but they're. They're also pulling out. All the stops for safety and companies can't afford that right now all the time. They can't have six sanitizer stations. They can't force math on everyone that has them provided for other people, but for me it's like let's figure out what we can do right now. Live shows aren't there and I. Kind of found myself on twitch. I found myself trying new. New Merchandise ideas. I found myself getting into cameos. I've made it without that, and that's what wrestling has to be at its adoptable. If we're not adapting, we're failing or we're just sitting there in our bitterness, instead of saying all right well, this isn't working. What's the next thing we have to be on that kind of mode to be successful in a business like this? Now. I gotta ask. You didn't end up with an overabundance of boy butter, because of the the vicarious battle royal and everything kind of falling through there. I mean. You didn't end up with too much of that. Just sitting around, did you? Let me. Tell you this I am uncorking Corentin right now with my fiance, so we were applying boy to reach down and they were so pumped. They were like we didn't know Gabe. Wrestling with even a thing. We didn't even know they were I. I explained it to them. They sent me. This holds used price at the end of this match was going to be like this showdown between Nick. Gage, in razor, a my heart gave. It is what it is but I don't have too much because I've used a lot of it unfortunately. I don't know I. Don't know how much of that I can say, but thank you her. You Really Make Quarantine enjoyable. We're almost at a time for this segment here but I. GotTa ask you raise them real hard. I was a big fan of hustle back in the day. How did he go trying to get him? I'll tell I'll tell T. that's why the TC W crew knows how to talk to the Japanese businessmen and convincing those things and you know great mood I wanted. You know seven Disney passes and. And part stay topper I think we just got raised a romantic at Disneyworld and some pay and he was excited to get circular feral weekend. Efi that is also gotta push it up against break here, but obviously want to bring it back afterwards. It would be remiss in mentioned the matches you have coming up July. Twenty Fifth and July Twenty Six Atlantic City New Jersey gw homecoming. It's happy on wrestling observer. Live everybody, come back! Hi I'm Dr Robert Clapper. Chief of Orthopedic Surgery at Cedars Sinai. Medical Group in Los, Angeles, California dedicated to your health. 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Back for the final segment on the show Mike Semper, be here with you rushing server, live Efi. History and me I had about seventeen hours worth of questions, but we only have about ninety seconds left. EFI, please. If you can tell all of our twitch homeys out there. That are watching right now how they can join you how they can buy your merch how they can get your cameo and what? You're going to do to spyder Nate Webb coming up next weekend in Atlantic City yes, I tried to keep it simple so on everything I'm Efi live you kill after, but nobody can kill needs, and after you live that Kanye. That's twitch, says twitter. That's instagram. You'll find me. ME THERE PRO WRESTLING! It's all EFI lives this this weekend or the Atlantic City, we can the only match out so far for me is against me. Web and I think people are gonNA. Okay, these guys have entrances on coming out. John He's coming out We were doing a big bank, but here's the thing they can go and I can go and I think we're going to have that moment. Where we look at each other and we say, let's just let's jazz it up a little bit for the kids and show them what we've really got it here 'cause. I think they think it's GonNa. Be Juicy I. We're going to go to the limit me and they. are going to have a moment during the match for everything just stops, and you have an iron. Chef challenged because that's really what I wanna see I wanna see it too I actually I. Don't want to spoil too much, but I will say it's live on and can't stop me from doing stuff once the show is live and I got a few tricks up my. My Sleeve Jasni up a little bit within cooking themes things so he'll actually bring me on his cooking. Show on either BTV. Get it on fight. Watch it live. You don't know what's going to happen. There's crazy death matches on this show I will at least try to entertain you, but you'll be able to see. 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They report the sweeping changes to the fifty old. National Environmental Policy Act, which opponents avow defeating court and Reverse Democrats regained control this whole underscore the stakes in this year's election and an event at a ups hub in Atlanta, trump said this is really historic breakthrough. He added together. We are reclaiming America's proud. Heritage is a mation of builders and a nation that can get things done. Critic Saint Amendment to the Pennsylvania Constitution narrowly approved by the state Senate Wednesday would allow the majority party to dominate that state's courts. Pennsylvania's appellate court judges are chosen in statewide elections. The proposed amendment would divide the state into judicial districts devised by the General Assembly and impose a residency requirement for candidates. Sponsors say leising judicial elections would make them more reflective of the state's population, but Kadena Kenner with we. We, the people Pennsylvania causing a Republican attempt to Gerrymander of the state's courts. They could have districts that pickup, more red counties, which will give them more Republican judges, versus they see why the election for pellet course to be enacted. The amendment must be approved by both the House and the Senate again in the next legislative session, and then be approved by voters in a statewide election I'm Andrea Sears reporting? Advocates say partisan control of the courts by either party erodes the independence of the judiciary as separate and an equal branch of the government. And some new funding is coming into the state of Ohio to help address some of these determinants of the health impacted by the COVID, nineteen pandemic seven community based organizations will share nearly six hundred thousand dollars in empowering health grants from United Healthcare. Don't provide access to Karen supports and underserved communities. CEO of United Healthcare Community Plan of Ohio. Mike Walters says non medical issues such as food, housing and transportation influence nearly eighty percent of persons health. This is really just about finding ways to look at the whole person and invest in organization that treat those things that are outside the traditional lane of healthcare to improve all how? He says the money will go to programs that will assist Ohio in struggling with challenges stemming from the pandemic, including social distancing food, insecurity and behavioral health issues. Mary Sherman reporting the better health partnership is getting money to improve screenings for children with mental and behavioral health issues. This is PMS. Proposals to transition from natural gas to so called renewable gas won't solve our mission problems. That's according to a new report. The report from earthjustice and the Sierra Club is called rhetoric versus reality. The Myth of renewable natural gas were building decarbonisation Suzanne Sadat with earthjustice, says gas produced from decomposing lagoons of animal waste on factory farms creates too much air and water pollution, and can't come close to meeting the current demand out its most, it could only replace about thirteen percent of our total dafydd, and of course we need to get to zero emission by twenty fifty secure system of fracking natural gas, and then transporting it through leaky pipelines results in huge emissions of methane, a powerful greenhouse gas that contributes to climate change march gas companies have begun publicising plans to repurpose existing infrastructure to cleaner. Cleaner fossil gas alternatives, and with calls grueling for changes in the beef industry create fairness for farmers and ranchers who are struggling to compete with larger operations. Might Bowen reports a group of producers in north. Dakota says it has solutions for policymakers to consider this week. 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July sixteenth nineteen. Fifty three I was a communist for the FBI. Starring, Dana, Andrews and exciting tale of danger espionage. I was a communist for the FBI. Romney actual records and authentic experiences of mets civic come many of the incidents. This unusual story here is our star Dana Andrews Asmat Cevik. For nine fantastic years live as a communist for the F. B. I.. Love to a dedicated read is the business of the idol hearing the nine loveless years I spent as a communist I learned. That hate is a business to a big business I'd like to tell you how the hate business pays off in the red. Now here is Dana. Andrews Azmat subotic undercover man. This story from the confidential fair is marked, rich man, poor man. A Communist cell meeting can take place anywhere in the loft on a dark street. Perhaps your neighbors Rumpus Room in the rear of a candy store or in a fashionable penthouse. This meeting was held in the home of our cell leader David Boden. Good, news coverage delight lose. Plum has been chosen for our exulted costs. Fat. Right juicy platinum. Name. The name of our plum. The irony delights the simply delights me. His name is Jules Jordan. Say! A millionaire with social conscience publisher of that Great Liberal Weekly Open thought. Conrad Boden. Comrades Betty look worried well. This man is Jules Jordan with his bourgeois conception of liberalism I don't trust him breads vetting. Jordan is obviously a capitalist who fears the inevitable revolution. We have been assigned to put his millions to work for the Red Master Plan. The past few weeks. I've made it a point to become friendly with Mr job quite friendly. In fact, he now comes to me for advice on the editorial policies of his magazine, one liberal to another that sort of thing. Work fast voting. This assignment is my responsibility comrades Eddie. Success is my success in the potty. Failure can be no failure good. Good, I'll need competent trustworthy assistance. You will help me. Coming Boden I'm honored. Many? Walk. There's read on the. Red On the sea. Losing weight. Understandable, isn't it? Not Suspecting, Ali, and don't think so. I just got a new assignment. Assistant to Oursel- leader Boden. Jobs, to Suck Jules Jordan into the POTTY. Twist read millionaire. Come pick your his magazine for one thing. They liked the printed in red ink. What about Jordan's down? He's a perfect patsy. Naive word about doing some good with a doe inherited. He thinks he's a liberal. The comedies think he's a champ. They started work on. BAUDOIN's become real policy with him. He's even advising Jordan how to run the magazine, ouch and the next step. Just run the magazine. WHEN DOES HE FBI? Stephanie Await. There may be more to this than I know. I'll keep in touch. You're bound to have trouble when half of you is Communist, and the other half is human being. My Communist half was supposed to consider Jules Jordan a wealthy chump, a sucker to be despised and exploited. The human half of me however couldn't help feeling. He was a decent honest guy. As I grew to know him better, that was easy to understand is to greatest loves his wife Jane and his weekly magazine. Presses Mac. Music. Beautiful Music majority just playing noisy. Jordan pretty residences supposedly nizing that the whole world on how important they? Can't hear you. Out. Something I. WanNa Talk To you about? Oh. Yoon own bone been hatching up another improvement for the magazine. Thanks. Wrong. Boden tells me that Harry Reid Near. Fire George Crypto go. Oh him yeah. In writer I understand is a red. He was recommended by Boden Well Heck David can help. The man broke bad editor oriels. But renew never consulted us the editor Matt. He has the right to fire a man who can't do the job. This might interest to Jill Crab. Cole has been unable to find work since he left you. No kidding. Is that bad. He has a wife and three children. Gosh three kids and the reason George Craft. Co Can't find work is that he's been branded a communist by your editor Harry, Ranier. Well. Why not ask Mrs Crept Colon the three kids. Look Matt if there's anything I. Between you and your conscience Jews so you later? Shut the door. I, heard all on the speaker followed instructions to the letter I'm reading. Thanks, Comet Boden. Tell me something. Does comic Crypto. Have a family of cost not. The Jordan will never know that willy. It made me sick, just thinking it, but evidently the germ that had been planned and Jewish, Jordan's conscience took effect immediately. The following night, David Boden in Iowa invited to dinner. The Jordan home. Jews was as usual, genial self, lighthearted, gracious charming, his wife Jane was charming, who but cold cold as ice. What's the matter Janey? You don't seem to be with us. Oh I guess. My mind was wondering which way Mrs Jordan to the right to the left. Politics Again Very strange strange, yes. Other men talk about their families or baseball or that terrific. Weekend in Atlantic City or have you read any good books lately, not you. You and Mr Boden seemed to be impaled on one subject politics, the revolt of the masses. I invited them here to talk politics. I'm sorry. Jules must be the woman in me. The objects s for the revolt of the masses. I. Here's what I had in mind gentleman. After Matt left yesterday, I did a lot of thinking about What's his name? The fellow who was fired Crypto, yes crept golf. I'm sure that Harry fired him on the basis of his ability alone, but still if he's been branded A. been unable to support his family, because and that bothers me, it really does. I'd like to do something for crab go. I can't help feeling responsible. Coal Mr Jordan. What do you mean? I think David that many individuals in this country today or being persecuted for their views. Grab Coa just one thousand. I can't really help thousand. Why not? Why not? Well after all I. What Mr John. Desert anyone. After all what Mr John You MR, fetig. No, thank you. Look. Suppose a man like say co gets fired needs. Money can't get a job all because of mistaken ideas about politics. Now isn't there someplace? He can go for financial help legal aid well. There are a few organizations none that has been set up specifically for that purpose. There's no fun such available to unfortunate. Victims of political persecution You know something folks. I'd like to set up that fund. Choose for heaven's sake. We could call it something like all. Fun For Freedom American Liberty Fund. How's that? Say! That's great. American Liberty Fund dedicated to the preservation of security for the individual or something like that. It probably want to charter from the government hard to get. How do you expect to get a charter? Considered. A fellow traveler been hanging yourself on the Party line for years I've told you a million times. They can consider me anything. They pleased, but they can't consider me a commie. It's just unfortunate that some of my ideas coincide with the reds. Unfortunate is right. He certainly Mrs Jordan. You'll agree that a man of your husband's means should have no trouble securing charter. World, you know money is influence on. July! Sixteenth, nineteen, fifty, three. I was a communist with the FBI on Classic Radio Theater. What makes a business a business? To circumstances of a World Cup on the wrong side of the bid that year that decade. It's the everyday entrepreneur. Put themselves out there. We're all sailing against the wind right now, but we will make it to shore. It's been done before and we will do it again. To help you get started. We're offering websites. Marketing Tools and guidance offer free. Learn more at go daddy, DOT COM. Makes a business a business. 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Thanks for tuning in on a thirsty division of Classic Radio, Theater and episode of I was a Communist for the FBI starring Dana Andrews from Thursday July Sixteenth Nineteen fifty three in the newspapers of that Thursday sixty seven years ago. These are some of the headline. U, N Command and Communist negotiators, met mice and a half hour and recess until Saturday. A fifteen minute delay in the start of the meeting. No reason given for the delay. East Germany purged its Justice Minister Max Today and appointed a woman judge. Red Hill Them Benjamin to take his place. Forty five thousand allied troops supported by swarms of fighter-bombers, tanks and artillery counter-attacked along the Korean Central Front Mall in the biggest allied push in two years. Eating please. Amendments might cause further delays. The Senate voted a straight six month extension of the excess profits tax and sent the longest beat tax measure to President Eisenhower. Big Three powers challenged Russia to attend to foreign ministers, conference of limited duration to discuss an east West settlement of the deadlock, German and Austrian problem. The Americans for Democratic Action invited Senator Joseph McCarthy of Wisconsin to sue the Organization for liable to test out the basic truth of the Senate, Subcommittee Report on McCarthy's financial transactions. Ada had been distributing copies of the report throughout the country as a public service. The American Civil Liberties Union said today, the ousting of J B Matthews his staff cheap of a Senate inquiry committee headed by Senator. McCarthy may have been involved a violation of Matthew's civil liberties. In though some of the day's top news stories is reported in the newspapers of Thursday July Sixteenth Nineteen. Fifty two on your radio I was a communist for the FBI which continues now on Classic Radio Theater. Remainder of the evening was miserable. Vile Boden Jordan buzzed and festival plans for the American Liberty Fund Mrs Jordan Brand Withering Glances across the room at me. Finally after Smalley Tennessee, it was time to leave. I paused and the open doorway to but my coat. Yes I'd like to ask a favor of you. Leave or not I've never interfered with my husband's work before. But you and your friend of changed all that. Let my husband alone, please go away and let him alone. Are you afraid of losing him to a greater cause. Mrs Jordan is our influence stronger than yours. No No. It isn't I won't let it be. I think I. Love Him More Than You love that. That greater cause of that I'll be right there David. No need to make a contest of this. Mrs Jordan some things are inevitable. Like the role to the masses exactly. Is a difficult thing to be hated by a beautiful woman. But in this case, that was one consoling thought. Jean Jordan could hate me violently enough. She might prevent her husband from becoming in sned and the Communist web. That web by the way it was being drawn tighter and tighter about him. The Charter for the American Liberty Fund was granted before I can have my FBI contact. Stop Action on it. And, then my red cell leader Boden introduced a new element something I. Hope to be able to avoid. Down Comrade I. Want you to listen to this, but is it perhaps you wanted why? I'm stressed that Harry. Ranier, I recorded this conversation and Jules Jordan's office this morning on tape. Those hidden microphones. Day. Procedure very practical listen. To Friends of yours jewels, the place is crawling with ribs relax Harry you're getting. Giddy Giddy Giddy Wait Cup jewels checkup on your personnel checkup on the content of your magazine. No matter what measures I take the stories come right out from under stylings with Stash I've been expecting this from renewable sometimes needs things yourself jewels. You'd spend less time without American liberty, fund. You beef about that? Have you noticed where that money is going? Your money is being used to bailout. Commie goon boys to give a bunch of red plug these a chance to. See what you mean about Rainier Colorado. But I think he fills a need. Here keeps things in proper perspective near as dangerous comrades feted. You. Please see that he's eliminated I. O Anyway you see fit. As long as it's quick. Lasting. Sixty seven years ago today July Sixteenth Nineteen fifty three. I was a communist with the FBI starring Dana Andrews. The conclusion three minutes on this Thursday edition Classic Radio Theater. This is good news, maybe exactly when you need it to right now. MEDISHARE is waving their new member fees. 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Seventy percent that's going out as direct a direct aid mind you members of our party catch. This cost will increase. Time goes on comrades, Vetik you report on the progress made within Mr Jordan's magazine. Coward Boden. I'm happy to announce that as of today, sixty five percent of the personnel on thought are actively contributing to our Exalted Cod. Editorial policy is now closer than ever to the Party line and fact, some of the more reactionary American. Congressman already hurled charges against the magazine and Mr Jordan. Question Please Conrad is ugly defeating the purpose by calling attention to our success within this magazine. Boden! The, subtleties of the plan of escaped you come read. We're more interested in Jordan and his millions than in his Magazi-. Yes, but how can we get him into the party and remind me Fetig? No important assignments for that full. My dear comrade! Jules Jordan doesn't realize it jet, but everything he touches turns. Red Is magazine is American Liberty Fund his companions as employees. The eyes of Bourgeois, Americans. He's a traitor. This will become more evident as our pressure increases. In the final is cast. Mr Jordan will have no place to turn for sanctuary, but here Mommy's comrades and fellow workers in the Communist Party. Now, do you understand? Thank you comment about good. And USA headache. Have you arranged for the elimination of Harry Ranier? Tonight come voting tonight. Be. Bigger this is red. Time just worried listen. Boden liquidate Harry Ranier. Editor, of open thought, he's too suspicious of us. Out of it. Funny Man it's got to be done tonight. You've got to help me. Talking. I've arranged a pickup Rainier his home about ten o'clock. I'll drive out highway fourteen to about three. Seems to me. It's pretty late to be visiting. Jordan Jews insisted on having the meeting tonight Harry, how he is yeah. What's the Big Rush I? Don't know something about red infiltration on the magazine. Well. Maybe the boss is raking last. Car back their spin behind since we left the office. Had noticed. Funny. That car still back there. I swear. It was following us. Got, the. Jitters or something I don't know maybe. Isn't it taking us a long time to get to the Jordan's same as usual. Oh, what are you turning here for they have. Hey wait a minute. We're nowhere near the Jordan Saddam. What is this what you think? Your big quiet weather? Nothing is going. I don't like it. I'll stop the clock. Out of here, said Still Harry. You'll get hurt hurry. A. Yard. What's this all about? What do you think we're from the FBI? FBI. I don't understand you won't for a while think of and boys. She that nothing happens to end bigger. You'll be all right a little confused, but say at least the coming knuckle gang ought to I'm how much you meant. What are you going to tell you? A little red teammates vise after working with them this long. It's easy to lie especially to them. Vic Do I understand you correctly you tuned Harry Ranier over to the FBI that's right. Commerce Boden I planted some false credentials and his desk and reported him as a communist agent. A Communist. Easy Lights for. Every. Company this age. Medic, you ever delicious sense of humor? The irony appears to me delight. I'm flattered. And now we must swing into action. We must report this news to Jordan to Jordan of course, he'd be very broken up about it. Really was his closest friend. You'll need us to advise him more closely now so closely that we will be running the magazine. After all how Jordan Trust His own judgment, his best friend turned out to be a communist agent. I hadn't expected this at all. Moton was using my plan for a near safekeeping. Bring about Jews Jordan's downfall. There was no time for me to undo what I'd done. One chance was left. Mrs Jordan I had to make a hate me. Her influence over her husband was strong, knew that the best way to put this influence to work was to make a hate me violently digitally I don't understand it I! I just can't understand it. Harry. was always such a sensible guy I've known him for years. He just can't read agent. I won't believe that. Mr Jordan, no matter how brutal they see. What Harry is the last guy in the world to. I don't know I. Don't know reason Jews reason. Emotion is useless at a time like this. You're not being much, helped Mr Look. Would you mind fellows I think? I'd kind of like to be alone for a while and figure this mess out. Please go Jewish awfully upset, but the logic is so clear so crystal clear we know now why your friend Rainier tried to turn you against. Yeah Yeah Okay Okay this explains why he disagreed with our editorial suggestions. Why accused us of planting rates on the staff when he was the biggest rented them all right all right? Please! Let alone it's important that your husband realize these facts now. This is Jordan important that you both let him alone. Can't you see he's upset? Okay on, it's okay. This display of shabby sentimentality is certainly a poor substitute. For reason it may be, but it's the only one we've got. Now get out both of you get out not yet Mrs Jordan did not. Realize his responsibility to his employees, his readers to the ideals. His publication stands for. whose ideals his Harry's. Yours hours of course, all others Amir delusions. Out honey honey, take it easy. Let them up. They've been right all along. They can handle it better than I can. Handle what? You'll magazine. You can't let's see, said honey. Who Am I to tell him what's right and wrong? I can't even pick my friends. At least I know David Matt Right Thinkers. Thank you, Mr Jordan. We'll go now shows for the love of having listened to me. You will please please. You've got to listen to me. Vic! I can understand now. Why Jordan had so much affection for these presses. Now Dara's. In spiritedly. And soon the rather. A. Broken Spirit of Jews. Jordan will be alice to hear to be commended Cameron. Thank you. You won't mind if I take full responsibility for this project you. You deserve it interesting. How humiliating prospects of failure seem less sinister from the Pinnacle of success? What's happening down there? Prices they're they're stopping. Swung things wrong gentlemen. They're just not working anymore, Jordan the presser out of business. And so, are you. What's that mean to? As of right now? The magazine known US Open thought is closed finished dead finished. Didn't walk. Catch the reason for this I have a wonderful wife Cevik. She explained a few things to me. How you run a self respecting magazine, right, smack into the mud. Are you sacrificed my best friend how you try to break up my home? Turn my friends against me ruined my reputation with that American Liberty Fund. By the way that stopped when the presses stopped, but If you do all this, Jordan what will become of me didn't know you care that much. I've never been sure. What's your angle was, but it doesn't make sense. Nothing made sense since you went in my life. So. You may go now, but. He's failure. Meet! The magazine is dit. The American Liberty Fund is dead. Why as I'm concerned, your both did get out. SHAPE Civic. Just to keep your ego where it belongs. My wife mentioned that she hates the ground you walk on. So Jews. So, DO I. It goes on and on and on hating bitterness, the chaos of mind and soul. Boden is gone now. You never appeared at another sale meeting. The Jordan's. Around somewhere nursing bruised ideals Harry Ranier is free and safe. But none of them can never know the real story the Food Story. They'll continue to hate the ground I walk on. The ground I must walk alone. This is Andrews with a word about the story. 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Know you're not wow, thanks my. Give it maybe a sick. And I think how some guys would like to have one. I'll be in my tux tonight and what they might do, get it. Feels so good myself. Now onto calmer as Boston Blackie. Enemy to those who make him an enemy friend to those who have no friends. Yes? Yes Yes I get better I'd rather have you cry and here the not in the hall I will see. You need them. Keep that promise. We don't want who. A woman. Tears means woman in trouble. Can I do for you. Linda Crane. I'm sure you don't want me to do anything about that. You have a bruise there on your cheek. What's on your mind bruise on my cheek? My husband hit me. I know that's not what I came to see you about you see. We had a fight. He left and I haven't seen him since since when it's been twenty four hours since he's been home, I'm worried hits not like him not to come home after work. Where does he work for the big? Green Line trucking company. He's a driver on his name. Mark Mark Crane will why come to me about it? A private detective and Ran! detected. Just, someone interested in seeing the little fellow. Get a square deal. I think you'd better take your troubles to the police. All Right, I'll tell you what. You go on home and relax. Husband doesn't show up another twenty four hours. Let me know. Good now go on home. Don't worry. You and your husband just fight, and he's just afraid to come home. But look when he does come home. Don't turn the chief. You feeling better already. Oh Hi Mary come on. This young lady was just leaving goodbye scream. Wakes he won. Who gave her their present on cheek, she wanted me and the president was a gift from a husband. Wonderful. And she's worried about him hasn't been home and twenty four hours. What's your husband? Do? Besides giving his wife testimonials of his affection drives truck for the Big Green Line. Felony mock crane. Oh anything interesting in the paper. I don't know. I bought it without looking at it well, let's see made the headlines Day. Black! You made them last week. Here Yard. Thank you. Yeah. Look at this. What? Look, who took my place in the headlines Today Oh. A driver for the big greenland trucking company and his name was. Mark Crane what that means Berry. Mrs, Crane. Missing husband turned out to be found Corp.. We call you back. Friday I laughed at this claim worrying about a husband, so the least I can do is help out of killing. Five minutes ruins. Let me speak. The Car Day is not hand murdering hijacking the Big Green Line Company. He's over the big. Green Line offices good run right over there and give them a hand. Spectroscopy. The Green Line Offset won't get near the place. Thanks for telling me, Rowlands now you on the phone call fired and tell him to count me in because he won't be able to keep me out. Yes Mr Green. It's just what it looks like a simple case of murder in the process of hijacking trucks. Will you catch the men who killed my driver? Inspector, Ferret sure catch him. What does that window Washer I have to make all that noise I think he's signaling is to open our wash him up. No wonder it's lot. Take care of it. I was saying degree air open now. The idea one of the law practice carrying. Wash your windows and get it although it. Maybe I ought to wash my face I like. What's the use you surrender their? I helped me through the window with. I'm not used to this sort of thing. Right a push through. What is this? Anyhow? This is Boston. Blackie Mr Green, not always window wash quiet verde. You'll wake up your brain. A poem in really liked to you in. GimMe a hand sure. Man Expert I. Well you Mr Green before I supply me interrupted why we would just now excuse me come in. August a great. I'm sorry come in Joe in. I I didn't know you had company grain this company. Maybe you want to meet. Joe Joe Baxter Inspector Faraday of the police in Boston Black. Gentlemen George Foreman and chief dispatcher. You'll have any I. DO drive on. I don't expect her. In fact, I wasn't here. Yesterday was my day off. Must Greenhill the Roope reports from yesterday? Thank you I'll be round if you need me. I'll be in my office in the garage. I WanNa talk to you later assurance. Now to get back to where we were before Joe came in. We might adopt thing to grain. None of his business over it is today. The driver's wife came to see me a couple of hours ago. She thought a husband was missing He was missing all right. He was right out of this world. But since people come to you to look for missing persons, haven't they ever heard me? Certainly, that's one reason why they come to me. I've heard it all I. Want to hear from You I've got to work and find out who hijack that truck. Whoever did it also killed my crane? Now there is a brilliant piece of deduction. Go to the head of the class. Friday, which is quite a distance from way usually sit. What makes you think the truck was hijacked? Because why when we found the truck, it was empty inspector. I've been trying to tell you about that. The truck Mark Creighton was driving couldn't have been hijacked. It was traveling empty. What? Got Up like whatever you were going to say, don't say. Why didn't you tell me that truck was empty? Mr Green I've been trying to ever since you minute Specter Faraday, but you were too busy telling me about you. Far As brain was years ago and the loot was never recovered. Recover you. I'm going to uncover something on this case, but not while you're around. I'll see you later. Mr Graded financed. Don't go away. Mad Inspector I'd rather go away. I am an stay here and let you drive me crazy drive. View was just a short walk like one of these days I'm not. A good thing. That's a law that. Could hold faraday. I'm really very fond of. The Green, let's get started. What can you tell me about more crane driver? Nothing Blackie. He was new here. I've never even met him. Oh, I see! Are you in the habit of letting you. Men take trucks out alone well. He wasn't alone black at least not when he started out. Billy Johnson was riding with him when the truck left here. For? What happened to him? I don't know he hasn't been heard of since. The Accident Anna. Well when you do, hear from him I want to hear from you. I'll see you later must screen all right I hope you can find out something pretty soon and a little leery about letting my truck roll again until this thing up my friend Mary Wesleyan in your office between the two of us, we ought dig up something. You'll have grain goodbye. Window washers. To work I didn't have to wait out here as long as I. Don't be happy about it I got out sooner than I thought. I would because. What I got out of Mr Green was practically zero. What inspector Faraday got out of. It must've even left. Wow, what he angry when he went by me. Angry. This the way out. NOPE, this is way I came in. That same turnover. Try To find any difference Mary Lifetime. I packed the car right down this way. Good. Did you find out anything from history I found out what was in the hijack truck. What no nothing now! Blackie! Don't because what was in the truck holds them up and I. Know That's what you told me nothing. Now. Tell me what was in the truck muffing. To spell it for you and O N No! But brick. If, there wasn't anything in the truck. Then, why was it held out? There is something we've got to find out. Interesting question. Isn't it interesting? Well, we don't know why. Anyone would want to an empty truck, but. I'll tell you something I know. I wasn't wasting my time while I was waiting for you doing whittling. Quickly in the dark. I'm sorry. No I detected Oh. What did you find out something very interesting about that dead driver? Mr Green. Secretary, told me that although nobody was supposed to know it. The dead driver was Mr Green's nephew. What'd you say? It isn't what I said is what she said. Mark Levin or Mark Crane ladder with Mr Green's nephew. Ahead I also had Mr Green say he didn't even know that that driver are. Why would he say that? In cases, there's a reason for almost anything there including the murder itself. Klay this case getting more interesting every minute than I did the right thing I talked to. Secretary Mary. And you can do something else to. The drive start out on his roof with a right named Billy gents. Johnson disappeared. Gosh. You don't expect me to find him doing you. Know find out all you can about. What are you? GonNa do well. Deadman's wife was nice enough to drop in on me I think I don't pay visit. I've just been washing window, so maybe she'll help me see through this case. I know your husband's death must be shocked. You Mrs Crane, but I've got to ask you. A few questions hive costumes. First of all you went to see Boston blanket today why? I went to see Boston black yeah. You must be mistaken. You didn't go to see Boston blankie. Well I'll be. It, thank you. If you're. Like. What are you doing here? There's the same thing of you. Only I know the ant Oh. You'll do sure. One of the things you are doing is checking to make sure my story about Mrs Crane, coming to see me is true. That's right and you were lying like she didn't come to see you what? Was Crane having to say that and I'll tell you how she can say like this. I didn't go to see Blackie. But that's not true. What do you lie to Mrs Crane? John Asks for Mrs Crane you don't have to. I'm leaving. All evening with me. Oh No, not yet come on Mrs. Grain doesn't WanNa be bothered. She doesn't like. You can call a cop. You can tell a way to find one canterbury name like you. Know. You won't remember. There's law against it. You said so yourself. Wow. What's this all about? Why did you tell them? You didn't come up to see me today? Ply? Because I never did go to see you on, wait a minute. 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Her husband missing later denies she's ever seen black before. As we return to our story. Black telephones Mary West Labor's trying to find out something about. HOW HELLO MARY! This is Blackie. You gotTA. Pick to. You're! GonNa Blast. A second got it. Swings hot name match. With at the rest of while at the roadside restaurant on highway nineteen. Case. I know I. can find that really. Johnson was on that truck when it was held up. I think go out to the rest of while and see a sweetheart. I remember she hit. I know so you better come with me. Tell me. You're afraid to be alone at. His girlfriend no, but the veteran driver caught me along with a sweetheart. I wouldn't WanNa be alone with him. Right. Yeah Look Your your name age. Yeah. Oh. Your chances go. Yeah how'd you know front of Billy? Yeah. I never tell me out of Palo drive this well car, O. Out there bought it from a friend, yeah, and the Damon it has barred her to. For a while. She comes with a looks equipment. Bellies pals all right all bellies. POWs tell jokes where we can't all be good. I gotTa Find Billy. He was tell me you always know where he was telling you that. Okay. He's Levin highlights. Caverns Shack number six just on the road with a couple of miles. He's using the name of Ralph. Rogers Breaks Exceleye okay. Well. Your leaving. Yes, but. I'll be seeing you again. I didn't know. Billy had such a good looking friend and I didn't know. Billy had a go with such good taste. So yeah. You do. Go Mary I got what I wanted to. Talking to what did you get information or day? Neither an address. And Hers Bill Johnson's. Where to master cabins and talk to billy. Johnson Then what we'll find out two things I hope. Why, someone would hijack an empty truck. And how it was that billy wasn't killed to. Place where going to is just a few miles. Marry check six. Want me to wait out here. Modest world all right. Intro me so close. And you can sit right in and still satisfying as nosy as realize. What a picture! Say this place Johnson's with a dive. Second thought is too small for five. It's MOLLICA dip. Electric no answer. So maybe nobody's home, the doors open. So. Maybe right? Did, you say. No Body Mary. You should've said. Ey Buddy. Yes and definitely a dead one. Well I wanted to know why really wasn't killed. Now I WANNA know why he was. A grain since that Hi Jackie yesterday I'm having a lot of trouble getting a driver to make the night run I can imagine so joe but we've got to get. Come in. Hello Black. Command remember Joe Foreman. Don't you, are you? have. You found anything yet. Blackie nothing that tells me one empty trucks should be hijacked. Billie Johnson that writer. But he couldn't talk. Why not like he? He was dead Joe. Jess I thought shack shot to death. This. Come in. The green I like. I didn't know you had company World Mrs Crane girl who wants to she doesn't know me. You know this young lady black. Yes, but only to be ignored by Thomas to his krantz. Live and I think she's just in time to hear some interesting news to us. Well, it's going to make news one of these days. I have a clue to your husband's killing Mrs Green Clue. What is it huge? Short Blackie. Positive as soon as I check on it, I think I'll be able to name the mirror. I like to look around your garage. Mr Green Mind knowing in fact, I run myself good. Let's go right away. Oh, MRS CRANE! Is there something I can do for you? Yes, I came to see about the compensation tape is my husband carried with your company's tone? Oh, yes, yes, of course a Joe. Will you take her down to the ground floor and look over those papers with sure grotto fine. All Right Vike we look over my planet. Where do you WANNA start in the garage to see if any of your empty trucks loaded for murder? Say This is some garage Mr Green and it has to be Blackie. We're one of the biggest hauling companies in the city, yes or no. But one more murder on the Green Line, maybe in the red. I'm afraid so. Any of the truckload of you know they always leave here empty. I say. And the death truck was two left. Here wasn't oh. Yes, yes. Dick Calmer starring as Boston Blackie Dick, had a lot of roles in mostly stage plays, but he also did some film, but his biggest role was on radio, not just with Boston Blackie, but his morning show with his wife, Dorothy Kilgallen but conclusion in four minutes on Classic Radio Theater. It just doesn't feel like summer. Without an ice cold Coca Cola in your hand visit Casey's Dot com today for a special four for five dollars. Offer on your favorite coca. Cola refreshments grandma, twenty ounce bottle of Coca, Cola or Coca Cola zero sugar and pick up even more delicious refreshment with a twenty ounce bottle of diet, coke or sprite, so no matter how you soak in that Summer Sun at home or on the go visit Casey's dot com and grab an ice cold Coca Cola today. For makes a business a business. 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Memories Dot, com, or contact Ted directly over at Radio Memories Dot Com. He'll get you fixed up with volume six of Boston Blackie, and now the conclusion of Boston Blackie July, sixteenth, Nineteen forty-six. Say! What's this year on the wall bulletin? Yes, that's where the drivers get their pickup orders. New Post is not as JOE my foreman. He's the dispatcher here on his day off. Then I post the orders myself and you're the one who wrote of the truck. Crane yes, I was was Joe's Day off at the order I posted was reroute. A last minute change from the order posted the day before the truck. Skip to stop with supposed to pick up a load place called Kassy's uh-huh. Look, my grandma, you have a chance. Why don't you tell me the truth about the debt driver? What do you mean the truth I mean you denied? Even knowing but I happen to know he's your nephew upon that out digital. I wanted to keep it a secret. I thought at the other drivers knew it. It would be bad for them around. You think you'll mended no joe form. New Mark's wife I'm sure he knew who mock was to I. Suppose it lasts forty shop. Oh, dear I forgot something. Excuse me a minute run back upstairs to my office. Sure go ahead. Look around your garage loans and you get back. Holy Mackerel. Can. Blackie who tried to hit you with that truck Mr Green or Joe the foreman in the? Crane Mary tell you this though. The reason. That truck was hijacked. Yesterday was because the mirror thought it was spoke. It didn't make a stop. It was going to make I. Don't understand Green, told me he posted a reroute for the truck that was hijacked. This is obviously what happened. The original audience will pick up a load of place called Qazis. Let's call that A. Then, drive to be reload the load. The truck was hijack between A and B I. Get it the last minute orders for the trump not to stop at A. Yes so. It went straight from the garage to be empty, but the hijacker thought it was carrying. The load was supposed to pick up a bit. Who is the hijacker I'll tell you that. can't I be the first to Nope, nope. And get fired and tell about finding billy Johnson's buddy. Come on, let's get OUTTA headquarters and pick him up. So we can take him to the Big Green Line. Trucking Company to pick up a killer. Disappointment view Mr Green. You're about to lose another of your employees. There's been more trouble, Blackie. No, but there's been enough. To. Put a stop to it I think you'd been a hand you a form in hair overdue inspector faraday want. Want with me nothing much Joe just your personal appearance, and that sell heading for that little green door. That's. What for the matter of mark, Crane, and Billy Johnson why a crazy I think so, too. You Hope I'm wrong. Side to disappoint you, but I know that blankie. This is impossible. What could Joe Gain by hijacking an empty truck and he'd know it was empty. It better than anybody Mr. Green Joe here was the only one in this company who knew the truck was filled. It was the last minute change yesterday. That kept it from stopping it costs, wasn't he? Is it was or Joe wasn't here yesterday when that last minute change was made? That's right. He wasn't what about that Joe I. Don't see what difference had makes makes a lot of difference to you. You made a mistake about that Joe. But. That isn't the only mistake humane. What do you mean? You Pretty Stupid Yo. You try to kill me in the garage a little while ago, but I don't blame you for that. The really stupid thing you did was to leave your fingerprints on the door of that hijacked truck. Or maybe I didn't. I didn't, but I'm not taking any chances all right Joe. Don't move. Look wait. WHAT ARE WE GONNA? I didn't know you didn't mean to. Come on you. Don't worry. The place where he's going to let you go is the place where they're gonNA. Let you have it. Blackie where we're going. From madge at the rest of while to console her about the loss of her boyfriend's. Johnson Oh not exactly Mary. But she gave me a tip to where I could find him I thought we might have a sandwich place and give her little tip to all right as long as it doesn't involve making a date with her. Jealous No, but our last boyfriend was murdered I. Don't want you to be the next most murder the next boyfriend you know perfectly well. Would I mean? Blackie. Mrs Crane denied knowing you because she was afraid she'd be involved in the murder. Right, but did that woman say why he killed? Billy Johnson to this story Mary. Johnson was on the plan. That's why he didn't ride the truck the night of the murder. He knew the fallen kill crane, so the former head to kill him to make sure the former was caught. In fact I'd say you saw to it that he went from the Big Green Line. Right through the little green door. 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This program aired from nineteen, thirty, seven until nine, thousand, nine, hundred, fifty seven. For over forty years, it kept housewives happy. This particular program was sponsored by Alka Seltzer. Let's tune in to the troubles at Hilltop House. From July sixteenth, nineteen, fifty, three. alka-seltzer Seltzer First Aid for the relief of headaches, acid, indigestion, and muscular aches and pains. alka-seltzer brings you. Hilltop House. Only. And now hilltop house. A claver. He. Got An appointment. Is GonNa? Take you away from the orphanage, but if you don't mind. I. All. And thank you. Julie, and now that my niece gladys is here helping out I'd. Like to hear a report on capabilities and if he got some complaints, don't you hold back? I'd like to hear them, too. Well, had Jewish thinking so hard and so long the Nancy? Got No jetsons Denise Denisov. And it's fine 'cause I. Don't want you were in about. The Orphanage got plenty on your mind and marriage only week off and. Say I heard really just got back from little trippy. Go off on business. In a way. Yeah, he's. You know that Pearson property over a Maple Street where. Everybody was saying he was a fooled by it and I'm telling you. I thought for sure he'd made a mistake that time. Have you heard as soda pop factories opening up in Glendale and going to build on that land? And reads the boy who sold them a bill of goods to set up here instead of Madison was. All I, did you might? So young to. Some people call them lucky you know, but icee gotTa have something to go with the lucked and reads got it. Oh, he is Dan. I think he's pretty nice very. Now about each. Well I. Think it's too soon to give any real criticism she. was she feels nervous about taking over, but that's to be expected because I'm still here or if you got into New Light to Taylor, and you don't want to say it straight to her why I'd be glad to take the criticism and pass it along reminder Julie we all understand. She's trying to take over your job as best she can, and don't forget. We're considering that said temporary substitute until somebody more qualified comes along. PROVIDING GLADYS GONNA turn out right now. I'm saying she will. The. test will come when she has to deal with problem. Since you've had the experience of raising a child that will be of help as she good money and fame boy. well, a problems have often are a little different sometimes. Oh No, not too different and my niece ain't won the Passover problem and and you now. She ain't too proud to come for help when it's overhead and. If. You're way then she'll go straight to Grace Doberman. Now Greenwich his lot smarter, and she looks an sounds and I believe you can leave hilltop in her hands in full confidence Julie. To be, quite frank. I feel more reassured if your needs. It had some experience in child guidance. In addition to being a mother. Julia can't have everything you know. You're up on the book learning and and she's had the experience of being mothers, so we're sort of balance each other. But you remember my words during my initial turned out to be a a big surprised folks you take, hold all. She needed a time did. Excuse me, sugar adding. hello. Hello Nina. On the dinner pining. Well right now, I'm going to read. He's expecting some people at four. Few minutes stop here I I don't why. Didn't get invited to a dinner party for you. All right I'll come by for a minute. I'll see you soon. And Julie keep. You got things to do I know Brian. Don't never have enough time, so you go wrong at your working business and I'll finish up a visit with A. C. She's in the garden swing. Will you remind you that I promise that children a picnic separate, and if she wants to get things ready for it, I appreciate figuring suburb. Hey. That's a nice little cheese. Yes sure I'll reminder Julie you go ahead. Don't you worry about the things every so often is time, and you give my greetings to read. Your. Picnic separate. Hotdogs you? Toasted binds and pickles. Maybe. I'm coming down. Gladys. Cool out here. That's one of the Nice things here. You can always find some cool shady spock. Move over grandest. Sit with you, thank. God there goes Miss Julie. Over to visit with a cousin Nina? And that's Dr. Jeff Browning's why I know he's doctor. And After de Jewish. House some folks to drop it in. Julie's Marian and important man Yechury about me. Behaving alright because she didn't find no fault. She's please so far and I'm confident. The WHO orphanage boards going to feel the same trying my best to please, but something you said message Delvin makes me feel bad. Oh! Man You spoke like I'm only temporary replacement and I wanted to feel I was the real head matron. Glamorous what I tell Mrs Jovan and Julie don't have to be what you and me know. What does that mean where now you gotTa Understand? Diplomatic relations when you're dealing with matters of public affairs, and I'm saying is when you got a goal in mind. I mean when I got that goal in mind and I want things to work out I just don't take folks into my confidence too much. I'd give it to him little by little so I. don't run into any extra position is e. There things are Mr. Doberman Julia be a lot more critical if he could do here permanent. By figuring it's only temporary. Lifting is go by easy. Get. Cuff for. Just the. Man there ever was for no. Jeff how to do things? I do best. Which you make a mistake listening to me Clark time we will, but I want you to now that there are things around hilltop by don't like. BIC I'm going to change. More you're out me. Way For Julius to be married. To worry about that uncle, frank I've got them all thinking that I wanna keep everything just like it is, and I'm not worried the least little bit now about managing. You won't be sorry. You got me in here. But you'll you don't understand Dr Oliver Dr Pringle and Dr Samson her own on the staff of the private hospital, but I can't manage that large dinner party well, then then make it a buffet. Dinner parties are so much more elegant. I'm tired of buffets. Everybody's been giving them. Aren't you tired of well? If your heart is set on the Dinner Party and I'm right back where I started. Why did Jeff have to go and invite the Oliver's? He started this mass because I wasn't going to ask anybody from the hospital staff. Now I have to ask them all. Oh, my husband can be so doggone frustrating. I'm mad at him today for everything I. Think you'll get over it. Nina has he got specialist report on read. Do think you tell me anything I told them. We're both so anxious to hear. And when with the report calm and do you know what he answered? What when it gets here? And what's more, he's implying. It's his business and I can keep my nose out. We can be so maddening. You I'll bet that report will come in, and he'll tell read, and we won't know a thing about it well. That'll be all right with me if it's a good report. Let's not think about it anymore. Read got some new medicine that stops his dizzy spells in a minute. Me feels very good about that, but I know you're worried. You Act as if everything's okay, but I can tell well. Honestly, I'm trying not to worry. Read seem so well I don't want that report to be just hanging over us like a clown. Now. What. Other problems are there in this dinner party that have got to be that'll right now. We'll have to be a buffet dinner parties out the window. Well Anyway Tomorrow's the family dinner and that's just the forum. Delivery for Doctor Jack Brawling Oh excuse me Julian posts. How be right back? Special delivery letter from Dr Brenes. Must be about read all G. WON'T JULIE BE GLAD. No. No maybe I hadn't better Taylor. Inside I'll be right with you Julie. In just a moment will return to our story of hilltop house. Now let's return to our story for a moment as Julie left Nina's house go along to reads. Her cousin ran back and looked at that important letter. I wish I could open it. I, wonder if I, dare. Be Sure to tune in tomorrow to another exciting episode of Hilltop House written by Eddie. Richton and Lynn Stone. Julius played by Jan Miner and Janice Gilbert is. There's a look into the daytime soap opera feel from July sixteenth, nineteen fifty three hilltop house on Classic Radio Theater, and if you enjoy hearing some soap opera stuff, you can find soap opera dramas mysteries comedies, all sorts of great stuff over Radio Memories Dot Com Tell my friend Ted over there radio. Memories Dot Com that I sent you buy, and he'll fix you up with some hilltop palace with some Boston Blackie and so many good things. 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This originally broadcast to the west coast of the United States Rely Sixteenth Nineteen fifty one. Episode entitled. Whatever became of Terry Cable. Arsenal, notice changes my stock and trade. If the job's tough for you to handle, you've got a job for me George Valentine. Right full details. See it's time for another. Let George do it adventure. Now the story has to do with a worry wart by the name of Shorty McGowan. Who runs a pub over on the east side? Charlie's the type of Fella who if he hasn't got a problem, he goes out and finds one. Right now he's just returned from a most successful hunting trip. By as he got butte. James to Valentine what's become a terry cable tears J. Cable Swain. Man! Blue Foam across the woodwork in my place now. I suppose you could say it's none of my business, a good customer friend like that. You just up and disappeared. But then again, what kind of a human being with that make you suppose? He's in trouble. Suppose he needs help. Valentine I found up yesterday. A Hawk shop that scares the daylights. Outta me all terry cables in trouble all right, believe you me. Down here when you give me a hand. Everybody knows where shorting McGowan's places here on these commercial. And joining McGowan well, that's me. The guy with the town is hand. Watch just a watt. Terry's watch here it is. and. That's what you found in the Hawk show, you know those are the railroad station. I was kind of background. Maybe yesterday you took a couple of days rest walked along straight that this thing on a window just up and hit me in the eye tears. Watch I, said that's Terry's. Terrence J cable. First Place Hundred Yard Dash Tristate, conference 1927. Sure that's how I knew he liked to show it off. Something one in highschool. Since High School, no, no just the last year, so but e coming all the time, no one I mean. He had a philosophical turn like either I tell you he's a swathe as Okay, but just out of curiosity. How'd you get the watch out of the Hawk shop without a ticket? been claimed. I just bought it. So it must have been at least thirty, or is it sixty days ago, wait a minute. Why just finding is watching a hawk shop that he's in danger? In the first place, young landy he wasn't. He wasn't the type in the second place. He's not the type to just walk out of here six months ago and never come back. What saying goodbye? You know what I mean and third-place fourth whichever is TERI cable was expecting a check a big check WANNA fifty thousand. He said okay. So what check from where? Know Rich Dudley maybe uncle. Sam Search May, but a man wouldn't disappear without waiting to get it. Would he? Only if you got it then Y hawk the watch. Yeah Yeah I see what you mean. Maybe see why you're so interested in finding on it, though not me now now I'm more one of them. ultra. You understand. Yeah to me. He's just a fellow human being. I'm not interested in his money then. I wasn't as gun. His guy gets better all the time. He had a gun all right. I I saw it once when he dropped something out of his pocket. Don't ask me why a FELLAS got a gun. You don't ask question. That's what I always figure reconsideration. Short tell me about this cable or he lived as family listened miss, it might be something, but it might not Jonah Stan. I tried to ask them questions like that once in a while, but he just laughed and go on talking about the baseball games or religious aspects of that type. I don't even know where he lived. Who is other friends were? All I know is for a while. He had a job over it. Fat Williams Warehouse and Loan Checker that William and also I know this is the kind of neighborhood when things happen, you don't meddle. I'm staying out of it only what's become of them? It's driving me nuts what speak of terry cable. Cable never heard of they. Call you fat Williams, don't they? Call me a lot of things. So what new warehouse business Sunday not lost five, but we were told that. Senator around hit a bother me when I'm trying to take a day off for a game of golf. I'm just looking for Terry cable. That's all he worked. Here's a load checker. Solve a couple of hundred other bums. Winter there. See any street spur three blocks. Do you all warehouse all mine? Got A GIG nails storage. Sure sure got hot kyw store that. I've heard your name before. That's all just take it easy. Sunny I thought you wanted to help. Not a button through your colorful skipping I said it. Place burned down here about a year ago, didn't it? I didn't realize it was still around. That's all. You mean you WanNa be to know you will have to character so any information I got, I. Better, give you these eager beavers. I can pass. The employee's to find out about cable would be so much easier to get information by just saying, please. I see Terence J cable home. Address worked here. Three months paid fifty dollars a week. Left here fired for spending too much time in the gambling joints like loose, sprinkles place, and that's all that's all you gotta say for the Love Dog Food Yes. What do you think? I am Sunny Day nursery? What do I care? What happened to some jerk? I never even. What's that? His Watch. Wanted to say so in the first place. Find. This guy and Delhi! What time it? Get outta here. What do you got a game go? SPRINKLE. SPRINKLE. I thought his family joint ones, but. Yeah. So new construction. Anyway George, how would a man who are in fifty two dollars a week? Be Able to afford such gambling oh John. Terry cable doesn't sound like a very straight character so far. Does he know carried? A gun expected some big money fight from one job that we know of. You know I'm not even sure why we're looking for. Find a behind aboard France Angel. You're just as curious as I am. Why Shorty thinks it's important to find this. Building go to be nice, isn't it? Yeah you work on it. No, no just watching watch every day. Going to be hundred and fifteen in that building Mr. Of! The mind insured I own well congratulations. You must know this neighborhood do been located in fifteen years beebe. Manx is my name occasion looking for a place to get situated good transportation here you know central heating each other. No, no, I'm just looking for a joint joint. Well loose sprinkle had a gambling place around I'm sure he's got a new place, crosstown defense and they. Used to be here all right, but he moved out after the fire. What fire well the same one burn the building down. My place is in the newspapers ten months. Go Muster, Manx! You're giving me an idea that you ever to know a man by the name of terrence. J Cable Able Yeah. Wait a minute, they call him Jerry, and that's the one he was a foreman I think was the cleanup gang after my here? WHY HAVE A mind? You don't know what's become, do you? Research me you're looking for. No, not anymore. I think I know all I need to know about him. Come on, let's play a fast hunch. Don't you get it Sarah? Cable wasn't crooked all just the office. Mr Valentine cable has been with us for years. Insurance underwriters Georgia Ryan, every I looked into run into a fire. Any guy once in a while carrying a gun and who's so gratuitously could wrangled jobs in places that had burn money to spend a third place that. have an angle or an expensive account over. What is Teri if fire investigating? Yes. That's right that answers your question how it solves the riddle. Yes, Mr. But, what did he find? We can't help being curious that that Williams warehouse had a lot of valuable. I starred in it when it burned. Linked to the fire, we looked him up in the newspapers. This bb Max collected quite a bit on his fire till. Louis sprinkle knowing the kind of guy. He's supposedly investigated the fires naturally Cherokee job, but now if you'll excuse me, he didn't find anything wrong. Is that it just pulled off the case and that's why he disappeared from that part of town. yes. Yes, that's the idea, so there's really no mystery now is. You can go home and forget about it. Wait a minute hold on. Don't you tell us the rest of it. Where's Terry Gable now? What's become? Are you asking for a client for yourself? What difference would that make Mr Valentine? It wouldn't make any difference one way or another you see. Terry doesn't work for US anymore. I really haven't the slightest idea where you could find giving you won't tell me. You don't want me to look I mean those cases are close besides cable doesn't have anything to do with investigations anymore. So what businesses interviews disappeared so quickly? We thought well I. Don't know what became of him left town. I think now really Mr Alentejo lying friend. But okay, if that's the way you want. But I'll be back. You don't want me nosing around because you know what's become Terry Cable? Or, maybe you're close, case will be reopened as soon as I find out why. My client was so anxious to reopen it. Still don't understand. Don't you see why the insurance companies that want to protect their own good name? What did Terri cable have to do with? Think back. It's all there Kinda guy cable was what he did and why disappeared? Hey Shorty no customized. A short. Charge Proxy. Guess the explanation of Terry Cable have to wait a while. The Guy who hired a seems to be dead. Porsche already. Someone must have gotten tired of hearing him. spout that same old question and shoved a bar rag down his throat. Well. Maybe it wasn't quite like that, but we'll find out all the gruesome details in just a minute. Actually in three minutes we'll check back in with Bob Bailey George. Do it July Sixteenth Nineteen fifty one on classic. Radio Theatre picture this. A shortage of fuel has closed your electric utility or any other possible disaster devastated your town. You're out of power. 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It is called eight, three, three, thirty, four Bible. That's eight, three, three, thirty, four, Bible, eight, three, three, thirty, four, Bible thank you for tuning into. Classic Radio Theater on your favorite stations July sixteenth nineteen, fifty one Bob Bailey. Let George do it and whatever became of Terry, cable? Now back to George Valentine. The man who hired you is dead. Short him A- gone. He's been shot. Well if your name is George Valentine than the mystery of what's become of Terry cable is now more important than ever. Now brexit Lieutenant Johnson said that when any witnesses to our friend showed his death. Here and that's what the duck says. Somebody stepped in from the street and shot him, and that's it why he was such a friendly little man. been mixed up on a few things to. Pretty theft told him once, but what's important, never arson. Where we know clients, the insurance underwriters. Your I thought I would only want to stand. Just assume the police source or sure protect your office reputation. I UNDERSTAND MR rather new here. I'm only pinch hitting for the regular man who runs his office. Roxy Terry Cable Work for this office. He was abundant, trusted employees. He was in charge of investigating all those fun. Yeah, worked hard. I guess got jobs with the guys was buildings burnt? He had to do it that way. There wasn't any superficial evidence of fire setting. The companies had to pay off, but we thought in time. Something about them anyway. He was convinced there was something only about the fires. Each case resulted in actual prophet as far as the owner's consent. Okay, then let's lay the cards on the table show Mr. Terry cable found some new evidence and then disappeared with it right. Yes, he was bought off I'm afraid so there was plenty of proof that he left town all right and to show that he destroyed his own investigation records. Some of the best men in the country of work done it without finding. On free will. There wasn't any force right Miss Brooks. This is the only concrete thing we turned up. BB manx. The day before cable disappeared. This man Manx drew twelve thousand five hundred dollars out of the bank in cash. Nothing. We can do about it because we can't prove how he spent. But neither, can he. Pay Off Terry Cable. But now that there's been a murder. Maybe you can legally dramatic him before you came back just now. Mr Bank seems to have disappeared, too. Yeah, sure he looked like the type. Play it safe. You might try looking for skip. It I've got a different way to figure out what happened a long time ago, and maybe why short he was murdered today. I WANNA. Throw a few days at a gambler named Luis sprinkle. And what is this proposition? Mr Valentine very simple Mr Sprinkle I want some money that make you a man from is who doesn't come from close to home. From Terry Cable? That's I. Think you've done business with Terry in the past. Johnson, remember but I. Don't think the nature of the business would was camping of course if you say so. Maybe, it was gambling on your part to think Terry wouldn't wanNA. Do some more business merely because I don't choose to make definite statement doesn't mean that you can all right right here goes I. Come from Terry. Right now Terry semi. He wants some more money I. Don't think I heard you correctly Mr Valentine now if you'll excuse me, I'm very because you might not believe me. He gave me his watch to show you. Take a look. How much does Terry One? Oh, ten thousand dollars it keep him quiet. I. Think that's ridiculous. He said he still has testimony regarding a few fires. Just in case you try to rub sticks together, I'd have to see this man myself through my own representative. You mind. No, but you are willing I. couldn't discuss it with you at all I'm sorry, yeah, what's this present field trouble? A thousand dollar bill show. It to Terry. Understand my good faith so ally. Cautious but faithful. So longs to sprinkle. What did you find made money in a hurry? Angel Hawk shops of the next stop down by the railroad station remember Brooke. See what I may have fought as the answer to this case. So you were going to find the answer. Even find the Hawk shot. Looks like shutting. McGowan wasn't telling the truth even on that one, wasn't he? Well, there's not a single. Where they remember ever having that much of Terry I so from here on the answers one-two-three. What could have happened angel so I'm going to try a trip to Mary. It's not far and that wasn't a lie. Shortages let that one slip place. He'd been for a couple of days, remember. You know what I'm going to look for in Maryville. Terry cable himself. Yeah right here. G The police asked me to reach. You thought you might be. On the trains, a couple of hours faster only maybe figuring this kind of a case speed isn't important where I wouldn't say that. Of course, we do things a little differently out here. Okay, thanks, you got the description Oh. Yes, yes, guys that alright Miss Brooks bonded up. Sent the fingerprints and all that. Stuff, but. We really haven't gotten around here. Case yet. yeah, well as soon as. Little understaffed. He and we've been pretty busy with something. Is the cut. You'll figure this terry cable may be living around here. It's not such a long shot. A man named Short McGowan. Apparently came up here and then returned with Terry's watch. Of course that doesn't mean. Terry would still be using the same name and. Understand are dewey. Quite sure I do. Let me tell you some of our problems. It'll take your mind off it. Is. County graveyard out here doesn't have killed. Yeah, we'll look Dunkin I'm only interested in and couple of days ago. There's been some Degan. Litter shouldn't have been one. Don't mind if we go out and take a look. That's why I couldn't get right on your case, you see the inspector claims there's one too many buddies out there since one. She thought you might be interested in. Nothing recent factors. Since maybe six months ago. But detained Cuban disappeared. No I don't mind. Say triclean. Man Over there working on it, no guy with a shovel. See what happened was somebody noticed? The Earth had been turned up since the last three. Only when we take a look, it wasn't a new through. It was when input three months old. How do you know it was originally put? They're about the same time cable disappeared. Team to do it, isn't it? To get rid of a buddy, just add him in when the gravest risk I mean the time to do. It was exactly six all right all right. Let's get rid of the guy with a shovel. Quick way. It's getting dark I. Want to get back to listen to me. July Fifteenth Nineteen fifty one. Let George. Do It to conclusion yours truly. Johnny Dollar Story Starts In four minutes on Classic Radio Theatre. Saint Louis. 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Eight, hundred, two, seven, four, ninety, four, ninety. That's eight, hundred, two, seven, four, ninety, four, Ninety, eight, hundred to seven, four, ninety, four ninety. Thanks for tuning into Classic Radio Theater on your favorite station now the conclusion of let George do it. July sixteenth nineteen fifty one. The extra body if it's Terry cable was putting their months ago right and what happened to us three days ago with just the ground got disturbed. That's right like disturbed by somebody looking for a watch look I got a complete. Fail on game. The thing for us to do if we want to identify him once and for all these tickets you're mode. Get that work when you out of here. Don't look I told you. The trains a lot faster than a car, so it's getting dark. It's all a better thing for us to do. Is Missile Supper? Because maybe I got here first. Okay, so here. I'll be digging. took. Care of you don't straightness funding quiet. What you're? Supposed to be watching. Your no, I watched to dig unseen watches. That way. You don't say the grave digger. He worked to bow destroy judo. Across the scarlet I remember just. No headlights. Sure make a pretty target. Oh, there's moonlight show McLeod's jokes. Oh Lord. Yeah somebody's getting out. Okay! Stay out of sight which we look. Back to? A man. Know Me. And watching me all day against the way you watch shorty. Ori-. I'm alone. I saw the body though. Ads Terry cable all right. We need place to get rid of them six months ago. So nature didn't even have to bother to take his watch. What short he did. He finally figured it out, didn't they? I Came here found Gary's body in the watch. And then hired me to put a little fear into us, so he could shake you down the way you shook him. On the be careful coming through that fat. Or be be careful. You don't want another body out here to explain. Because, that's what hasn't missed a you. Guys had fraudulent fires and then bought the investigator off Twelve, thousand, five, hundred, each only cable was expecting fifty. THOUSAND IS I remember. that it'd probably mean four of you instead of three. Wouldn't it fight Williams? BB Max Loose Franklin. Who Shoddy McGowan himself was he the fourth? He have a fire to. Shoveling. Get into the car. I'll wait a minute. I know who you are all right only shore show. How's your goals? And I left your off. You sent me and you're headed right over to kill shorty to shut him up before he could go any further. You've gone far enough. Fat Williams big shot, but a big secret right something that loose sprinkle for instance didn't seem to know. The Terry cable was really dead. You killed him. You're smart to idea well, it's fairly simple. You didn't pay Terry off. You just killed him. In six months time short. He finally caught onto it short. He was smart. He stole some I. Did he tell you that verse? Oh Yes, sure your warehouse, so that's what tied him. He worked with us. He was the fourth one look where got him plus don't try to tie the others with you like that. MANX sprinkle may have been worried about the fires, but they paid off and cash. I suppose short he paid off to. Only, Terry was expecting a check one check. He was smart. He'd wanted that way. So, one of you must have collected the payoff from the other one like you on instead of a payoff. You kept to yourself and kill the investigating. That's all that happened. That's all that short. He found out. She got up getting a car, but Amara Sunny. Nobody'll even know we've been. What? You've. That's. Pretty fancy throats for t wasn't yes sure you'll get a medal. You missed a mile a watch, but thanks for spoiling his aim. I hit him with a shovel. Understand Angel Apparently Terry. Cable wasn't even crooked. Six months ago, fat Williams just persuaded the others that gave was then he pocketed their dough and kill cable. The insurance people and his family and everybody'll be off. You're glad that you carried his name. Only George I still don't understand how you knew it had to be fat William Remember July. He's the only one I showed that watch to before short. He's death, so he's the only one who could have known cable's body. I've actually been found. In other words that shorties nosing around had finally made it necessary to be. Data and your wonderful. I mean it you powers of observation your logic. You know George while you were at Maryvale, I did some shopping I found a real bygone kitchenware, so being a girl who plans ahead. I bought them. For Your one-room apartment. What in Heaven's name for well like I said. Planning ahead. You'll find out. You've just heard what became of Terry cable another. Let George do it adventure. Robert Bailey was started as Valentine with Virginia. Gregg is see. David, Victor and Jackson Gillis wrote the story and the music was by Eddie Stutter. 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Now on Classic Radio, theater, we start a brand new yours truly johnny dollar story, The star of Cape Town madder. This episode originally broadcast July, Sixteenth Nineteen fifty-six from Hollywood. It's time now or Johnny dollar. Johnny try. Eastern Indemnity Joe what's up started. Down House the Latian celebrity or ship on three times. A diamond about the size of a jumble. agonize ornamental Martini except I'm strictly limited deal man. What's interesting about it, except it's probably worth one hundred thousand dollars. That's what we've insured it for. Story to it three men we know of have been killed over the last fifty years. This stone I liked to see. Where is it? Johnny. Hey wait a minute in Capetown South Africa. I'll be right over. Tonight and every Weekday Night Bailey transcribed adventures of the man with the action packed expense-account. America's fabulous freelance insurance investigator truly. Johnny dollar. A. Expense accounts submitted by special investigator. Johnny Dollar Do Try Eastern Indemnity Associates Home Office, following us an accounting of expenses incurred during my investigation of the Star of Capetown matter. Expensive item one dollar fifty cab fare from my apartment of the office of triune indemnity, associates Joe. mcnabb was waiting for me. Sadan Johnny thanks. So what about the Star Capetown sounds interesting? You're interested. We're worried. Ever hear of Andrew Landing Forbes the third ours for seems to me I've seen this picture in the papers. A couple of times in the national playboy type needed. That's the one he owns. The Star of town now inherited the stone after the recent death of his ass saw. Johnny like I told you we've got that diamond insured for one hundred and fifty thousand bucks, but Forbes treats it like it was a ten cent store hunk of costume jewellery. What do you mean? He carts it from place to place wherever he goes as role in the Riviera you name, it has been there and so as a star of Capetown. Who? Keeps it in hotels. Save stuff like that, but that isn't good enough. We want him to put it in permanent custody somewhere. See your point, but he wants to listen to reason and right now. It's a particularly bad period for us. How come forth seems to be in one of his party giving mood? He has them every once in a while about three weeks at a time a big party every night. Night wherever he happens to be then quits down for month or two, probably arresting up, but how how come he's Capetown now. Who knows who knows what he goes anywhere? He does brother sounds like a real character. Yeah, but what we want you to do is to talk him out of being a character long enough to put that diamond in a safe place to keep an eye on it until he does. We got a plane reservation for you tonight at midnight tonight I just a minute. Luck if it's the money, a worried about, don't be. This means a lot to us. We're willing to pay accordingly, so you may not believe this, but I wasn't thinking about the money. Then what those three men who got killed over that diamond? You told me about them over the phone. Let the diamonds fifty years old. Those three killings were at twenty thirty years ago. Just the same three is always a crowd. I wouldn't like to see an increase by one. Expense Account Adam to three sixty cab fare to my apartment packed, and then to the airport where Joe mcnabb met me and told me three tired jokes in two minutes in a very subtle of tempt to keep my mind off the three dead men, as he gently Stevie to the plane. Item three plane fare to Capetown South, Africa. The plane came in over. Cape Town in the early afternoon off to one side toward the famous devil's peak in down below the bay glittered like yeah, it looked like everything was trying to remind me of that Damn. As, if I could forget stone, where the of one hundred and fifty thousand and the lives of three people. I don't five care fair to the residents of Andrew Liaoning Fogg's third. He'd rented a mansion on the side of a hill. I was I should onto a terrace, overlooking the city and the bay. Forces waiting for me with drinking. He was a thin, faced elegant, tired, looking character, whose deep tan didn't hide the lines on his face. He could've been anywhere from thirty five to fifty. Off You drink dollar. Well A little early in the end zone. Mike good you off. Okay so. It's quite a place you have here. You seem amused. Was Fifteen sixteen rooms at least. Adequate seems kind of like another statement quite positively. Thanks. Look dollar was very thoughtful. The insurance company to send you all the way down here, but also it was well wouldn't unnecessary. It depends. What do you mean? The company I represent is pretty jittery over that. Diamond Yours Star Capetown Would you like to see it? Yes, but I think we ought to hear it is. You carry it around in your pocket. It's. Look for no, no, no, I'm really not as bad as that. I was expecting you, so. I thought a little joke on you. Mr Forbes. Humor shortens my life. Well I suppose it was a bit girl. There it is what do you think of it? McNab said it was the size of jumble. More like a golf ball to me quite vulgar, isn't it? Cutting jobs, they didn't. Beautiful? and must be thousand fests. Yeah, all of them glittering all of them, Cole, service. Rather like life, don't you think am look Mr Fox? If you don't mind, let's skip the philosophy for a minute and talk about the diamond. Of course still concerned about his safety. Well perhaps this will reassure you. Would you come with me? Won't save my bedroom. So you see I do take precautions. Are you reassured now? No, your bedroom opens off the terrorists. It'd be too easy for somebody to get it. That's safe very well. It was a dollar. After tonight is replaced diamond in a bank short. That's the best news I've had all day. Yeah! Nice body, it'd be my last for Awhile Party for. WHO's Agatha? My older sister. She's on a world tour arriving here in Capetown later this afternoon I'm going to surprise it. Wait a minute. You came all the way here to Cape Town to throw a surprise party via sister well, it wasn't doing anything else is the moment why not? Well I can think of a couple of reasons, but they probably wouldn't sound convincing to you probably not. Although they probably would sound convincing to. Oh. Quite different. Have the time she worries about me and the other half time she disapproves of me. This is quite beat the dignity of the Forbes name for me to go shopping around from place to place this I see. She's quite devoted to the cause of the Forbes name. To make sure it keeps standing of well whatever exposed for quite sure myself, so you're giving her a surprise party tonight. Well. She liked the idea. That that's what makes it fun. Oh by the way. Would you like to come? Well under the circumstances I think I'd better I I wonder if I can have a guest list a guest? Good evidence. You, mean you don't have one? Of course not I just invite people here. Their wait to see who turns up and you don't have any idea who all's coming absolutely. That's the only thing that makes these bodies with wire. A character? Point habit of carrying his diamond in his pocket throwing a party where he didn't know who was coming. This was a situation, not calculated. Help my peace of mind believe me. At his driver, take me back to town I. Stopped along the way police headquarters and talked to lieutenant. Tile agreed to furnish a man to help me. Keep an eye on the party. Expense account items six cab fare back to Forbes House that evening for the party. I thought I was getting there early. We're already quite a few people about a stocky bartenders shoved a drink in my hand as I walked in and I took a look around. Quite a brawl. Then I spotted a girl with honey, colored hair and green dress. That matched I. Well! It was as good a place to start as any. I. My Name's John I know all I'm Sheila. Your friend of Forbes. My arm you around here I chew. Maybe you'll find me at most vendors parties quite. You ranges my transportation. Let's see, do you? What's your excuse for being here in this gay mad throng. Friend to matter of fact, no I just met him this afternoon and the invited me to come this far for the course. Force I'm glad youtube gotten acquainted enjoying yourself. Larry's it'd be wonderful. Johnny, she's always gracefully board, is he? Johnny I performed quite a useful function around here. I'm always good for laughs. While A. Is Your sister and joined the Party for. I guess. I of course not. John No. She's over by the window. The! Thin Aristocratic Tired Looking Lady Oh, yeah! I see what you mean. Her. Look at the stain. She thoroughly disapproves of this whole. Party and me of course and of me. On Johnny I'd like to meet all. You're taking a chance. You'd probably disapprove of me to who looked like the respectable type. Thanks I guess she thoroughly approved. I seem to have another guest arriving. Would you two excuse me I'll introduce you to aggravated. Sure the perfect host when he wants to. Was the new arrival. Name is Helen Andy met her a day or two ago. I'll say this. Yes, isn't she? Sorry. Don't be I'm used to. Sheila I. Don't get you. I'm not so hard to figure out Johnny. I think you are you don't like these parties anymore than Agathe Watch. Ustad comparing me to her, and she's going to disapprove of you. Okay, but I still don't get it. You don't like the parties or Forbes other fringe you keep. Yeah. I've got a perfect attendance record. Why. I guess there's one obvious reason, but that would sound real corny. Maybe not so let's just say that. After. You've been writing the Mary around long enough. Standing on solid ground doesn't seem normal. Well! Maybe if you keep writing that merry-go-round, you'll grab the brass ring something young. Sheila drifted over to the bar. She sat quietly drinking the rest of the evening. I somehow felt sorry for a, but I knew she'd bought her own ticket to the merry-go-round at least for the first ride. Over at Forbes and started sweating, he was showing the diamond off to the party. But before I could get to him Agatha did. She must've told him in dignified firm tones to put the ice on ice. He laughed and took it back to his own, so I relaxed. Party dragged on. I manage to fragility pain. The rest of the evening but folks was obviously enjoying himself with Helen. They dance and went out on the terrace. Sheila tender back concentrated on her drink. Finally I went over to the bar. Johnny let's like the bartenders gone home. As probably a good idea, denied. She had carefully for the door. Then I realized I hadn't seen floors for ten or fifteen minutes. I went out on the terrace. Speech would incite. I walked to Forbes bedroom door. Farms, Now Answering One lamp was let's. Focus on the floor. The knife had gone in low under his ribs. He probably hadn't made a sound. Nearby was the case in which he kept the star of Cape Town.