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"lex talionis" Discussed on The Catholic Culture Podcast

The Catholic Culture Podcast

03:56 min | 4 months ago

"lex talionis" Discussed on The Catholic Culture Podcast

"It's clear now that if he had fallen to send unite with chopped his head off but he was not her in. So there is that there's that little shedding of blood and now going will wear that green sash to remind him of his imperfection to remind him of his shame when garwin goes back to camelot at the very end of the palm. And everybody else. Here's the story. They take the green sash as a markov. Great they all start wearing it. Yeah they'll start wearing. It's right and it is a marker bonner and gawain is in this story right if we believe the story. The world of the story going is the best so going didn't fall through less didn't fall through greed. He fell through fear of his own life and the giant doesn't really hold it. Hold it against him too much. But conway is just mortified and shorty. My shame forever. And i confess my sin to you completely and i'm never gonna forget this and I i'm gonna wear it this the girdle whenever so whenever i'm high hearted you know i. I will turn it down a little this and her. Yeah and isn't that basically the the whole meaning of original sin right. i mean we can't save. We can't attain perfection no matter how hard we try. is only when we put on christ christ makes us perfect. He works through our will and in our will. But it's only christ right It is not. I but christ who lives in saint paul right so that we both do the things that we do with our will but we are allowing christ to do those things in us in through us and the lesson here is basically the lesson of that surface circumcision. The old right not safe and the old. The old law was a law of justice. After all it. Was the lex. Talionis the law of retribution. Exact retribution if you take somebody else's i get yours. I really go kind of weary of hearing. Christians talk about this. If this were somehow evil this was just is fundamentally joss and god in the in the tara was placing a severe limit on the vengeance. The people to take right I tooth for tooth life for life right. Well that's the game being set up by the green knight you take this on condition that exactly one year so wait we now. In new these circles. I get to take the same. Wow that is pretty theological. It's very illogical. Yeah and you can. You can start working that out through all the images in the poem. I mean it's it's part of the beauty and the charm of this story is that it really is about what by our standards very slight imperfection you know And and the light touch with which it ends. Where going takes it very seriously. It's maybe you could say it's venial sent and he takes it today. We might just call it a fault. You know not even ascend and but he takes it so seriously. He's so contrite about it and then the giant response by taking it lightly by being merciful now and both attitudes are correct. Yes exactly and and so here..

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"lex talionis" Discussed on Dans La T?te D'un Coureur

Dans La T?te D'un Coureur

08:15 min | 6 months ago

"lex talionis" Discussed on Dans La T?te D'un Coureur

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"lex talionis" Discussed on Everything Everywhere Daily

Everything Everywhere Daily

06:03 min | 10 months ago

"lex talionis" Discussed on Everything Everywhere Daily

"Hemmer robbie was the king of the babylonian empire from approximately seventeen ninety two to seventeen fifty bc. Just to put that into perspective. This was over a thousand years. Before the city of rome was even founded as babylon emperors went hammurabi was pretty successful when he rose to power babylon was still a relatively minor player in the region and when he died he had conquered most of potato along both the tigris and euphrates rivers. The region was almost entirely in. What is today modern iraq. Like any good king win. Hammurabi wasn't conquering nearby kingdoms. He was passing laws and making sure that his kingdom ran smoothly and efficiently. It is believed that hamurabi sent out scholars to the various kingdoms. He conquered to collect the various laws of all realms and then collected them into a uniform code of laws for everyone. The result of this was the code of hammurabi which is believed to be two hundred and eighty two laws regarding any number of different infractions. Crimes and disputes the laws were inscribed on a stone and clay tablets and spread around the kingdom. The stele which was found in one thousand nine hundred one is exceptionally well. Preserved the object itself is a hard blackstone known as diorite. it's shaped like a giant human finger at the top is an image of hammurabi receiving the laws from the babylonian god chumash. There is then a preface which states the following quote and who in bell called me by name hamurabi the exalted prince who feared god to bring about the rule of righteousness in the land to destroy the wicked and evil doers. So that the strong should not harm the week. So that i should rule over the black headed people like chamo- and enlighten the land to further the well being of mankind unquote about six hundred years later. The was taken by the king of elam. Shrek know if you've ever watched the two thousand two movie the emperor's club with kevin kline. You'll remember that should noonday was as the example of someone that no one remembers except that i just mentioned him in podcast and he was in a movie under the reign of Dante was believed that he erased two three dozen of the laws. Originally written by hamurabi researchers have been able to recreate the deleted laws by finding other clay tablets. That had the law's written on them sometime after that it was buried as ancient things tend to do and it was rediscovered in one thousand nine hundred one. So what does the code of hammurabi say. Many of the laws are examples of what is known in latin as lex talionis which is a law where the punishment is similar to the crime. You might know better as an eye for an eye. For example law one hundred ninety six states quote if a man destroy the eye of another man they shall destroy his. I if one break a man's bone they shall break his bone unquote however the rules were different depending on what social class. You're in for example. I didn't read the entirety of law. Ninety six just now the rest of it is as follows quote if one destroy the eye of a freeman or break the bone of a freeman. He shall pay won gold meena if one destroy the eye of a man slave or break a bone of a man slave. He shall pay one half his price unquote so the social status of the victim of a crime was a consideration in the law. If some of this sounds familiar. That's because it's very similar to the laws that are in the bible in the book of leviticus the code of hammurabi was written well before the book leviticus so it's quite possible if not probable that some of the laws from leviticus were adopted from babylonian laws the final version of leviticus was written after the jewish babylonian exile. So it's in fact very possible. There are laws in the code deal with commerce divorce rent liability and even medical malpractice there even laws dealing with contracts and the issuing of receipts. It's true that most of the laws are of a rather brutal. If x than wide variety with punishments ranging from drowning burning severing hands gouging out is that cetera. Most of these type of laws are no longer on the books in most countries. Obviously however there are some surprisingly forward thinking laws for something that was written down thirty seven hundred years ago for example law one hundred forty nine states quote. If this woman does not wish to remain in her husband's house then he shall compensate her for the dowry that she brought with her from her father's house and she may go unquote that is basically an ancient version of no fault divorce. However there was one concept that was in the code of hammurabi which was revolutionary and is still with us today. That is the concept of being innocent until proven guilty. In fact these are the very first law's written down in the code. Here are the first three laws in the code of hammurabi quote law one if anyone in snare another putting a ban upon him but he cannot prove it then let he that ensnared him be put to death law to if anyone bringing accusation against a man and the accused goto the river and leap into the river if he sink in the river his accuser shall take possession of his house but if the river prove that the accused is not guilty and he escaped unhurt then he who had brought the accusation shelby put to death while he who leapt into the river shall take possession of the house that had belonged to his accuser law three if anyone bringing accusation of any crime before the elders and does not prove what he has charged you shall if a capital offence charged put to death unquote so basically they had really harsh perjury laws and they made it really hard to pass frivolous lawsuits. So while i don't think anyone would really wanna live under the code of hammurabi today. It's an important part of humanity's legal history old hammer. Arby's two hundred and eighty two law's written in stone with a very first step in creating a system which has led to the one hundred and seventy five thousand two hundred and sixty pages of the united states code of federal regulations today

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The Code of Hammurabi

Everything Everywhere Daily

06:03 min | 10 months ago

The Code of Hammurabi

"Hemmer robbie was the king of the babylonian empire from approximately seventeen ninety two to seventeen fifty bc. Just to put that into perspective. This was over a thousand years. Before the city of rome was even founded as babylon emperors went hammurabi was pretty successful when he rose to power babylon was still a relatively minor player in the region and when he died he had conquered most of potato along both the tigris and euphrates rivers. The region was almost entirely in. What is today modern iraq. Like any good king win. Hammurabi wasn't conquering nearby kingdoms. He was passing laws and making sure that his kingdom ran smoothly and efficiently. It is believed that hamurabi sent out scholars to the various kingdoms. He conquered to collect the various laws of all realms and then collected them into a uniform code of laws for everyone. The result of this was the code of hammurabi which is believed to be two hundred and eighty two laws regarding any number of different infractions. Crimes and disputes the laws were inscribed on a stone and clay tablets and spread around the kingdom. The stele which was found in one thousand nine hundred one is exceptionally well. Preserved the object itself is a hard blackstone known as diorite. it's shaped like a giant human finger at the top is an image of hammurabi receiving the laws from the babylonian god chumash. There is then a preface which states the following quote and who in bell called me by name hamurabi the exalted prince who feared god to bring about the rule of righteousness in the land to destroy the wicked and evil doers. So that the strong should not harm the week. So that i should rule over the black headed people like chamo- and enlighten the land to further the well being of mankind unquote about six hundred years later. The was taken by the king of elam. Shrek know if you've ever watched the two thousand two movie the emperor's club with kevin kline. You'll remember that should noonday was as the example of someone that no one remembers except that i just mentioned him in podcast and he was in a movie under the reign of Dante was believed that he erased two three dozen of the laws. Originally written by hamurabi researchers have been able to recreate the deleted laws by finding other clay tablets. That had the law's written on them sometime after that it was buried as ancient things tend to do and it was rediscovered in one thousand nine hundred one. So what does the code of hammurabi say. Many of the laws are examples of what is known in latin as lex talionis which is a law where the punishment is similar to the crime. You might know better as an eye for an eye. For example law one hundred ninety six states quote if a man destroy the eye of another man they shall destroy his. I if one break a man's bone they shall break his bone unquote however the rules were different depending on what social class. You're in for example. I didn't read the entirety of law. Ninety six just now the rest of it is as follows quote if one destroy the eye of a freeman or break the bone of a freeman. He shall pay won gold meena if one destroy the eye of a man slave or break a bone of a man slave. He shall pay one half his price unquote so the social status of the victim of a crime was a consideration in the law. If some of this sounds familiar. That's because it's very similar to the laws that are in the bible in the book of leviticus the code of hammurabi was written well before the book leviticus so it's quite possible if not probable that some of the laws from leviticus were adopted from babylonian laws the final version of leviticus was written after the jewish babylonian exile. So it's in fact very possible. There are laws in the code deal with commerce divorce rent liability and even medical malpractice there even laws dealing with contracts and the issuing of receipts. It's true that most of the laws are of a rather brutal. If x than wide variety with punishments ranging from drowning burning severing hands gouging out is that cetera. Most of these type of laws are no longer on the books in most countries. Obviously however there are some surprisingly forward thinking laws for something that was written down thirty seven hundred years ago for example law one hundred forty nine states quote. If this woman does not wish to remain in her husband's house then he shall compensate her for the dowry that she brought with her from her father's house and she may go unquote that is basically an ancient version of no fault divorce. However there was one concept that was in the code of hammurabi which was revolutionary and is still with us today. That is the concept of being innocent until proven guilty. In fact these are the very first law's written down in the code. Here are the first three laws in the code of hammurabi quote law one if anyone in snare another putting a ban upon him but he cannot prove it then let he that ensnared him be put to death law to if anyone bringing accusation against a man and the accused goto the river and leap into the river if he sink in the river his accuser shall take possession of his house but if the river prove that the accused is not guilty and he escaped unhurt then he who had brought the accusation shelby put to death while he who leapt into the river shall take possession of the house that had belonged to his accuser law three if anyone bringing accusation of any crime before the elders and does not prove what he has charged you shall if a capital offence charged put to death unquote so basically they had really harsh perjury laws and they made it really hard to pass frivolous lawsuits. So while i don't think anyone would really wanna live under the code of hammurabi today. It's an important part of humanity's legal history old hammer. Arby's two hundred and eighty two law's written in stone with a very first step in creating a system which has led to the one hundred and seventy five thousand two hundred and sixty pages of the united states code of federal regulations today

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"lex talionis" Discussed on Everything Everywhere Daily

Everything Everywhere Daily

03:19 min | 10 months ago

"lex talionis" Discussed on Everything Everywhere Daily

"Robbie was the king of the babylonian empire from approximately seventeen ninety two to seventeen fifty bc. Just to put that into perspective. This was over a thousand years. Before the city of rome was even founded as babylon emperors went hammurabi was pretty successful when he rose to power babylon was still a relatively minor player in the region and when he died he had conquered most of potato along both the tigris and euphrates rivers. The region was almost entirely in. What is today modern iraq. Like any good king win. Hammurabi wasn't conquering nearby kingdoms. He was passing laws and making sure that his kingdom ran smoothly and efficiently. It is believed that hamurabi sent out scholars to the various kingdoms. He conquered to collect the various laws of all realms and then collected them into a uniform code of laws for everyone. The result of this was the code of hammurabi which is believed to be two hundred and eighty two laws regarding any number of different infractions. Crimes and disputes the laws were inscribed on a stone and clay tablets and spread around the kingdom. The stele which was found in one thousand nine hundred one is exceptionally well. Preserved the object itself is a hard blackstone known as diorite. it's shaped like a giant human finger at the top is an image of hammurabi receiving the laws from the babylonian god chumash. There is then a preface which states the following quote and who in bell called me by name hamurabi the exalted prince who feared god to bring about the rule of righteousness in the land to destroy the wicked and evil doers. So that the strong should not harm the week. So that i should rule over the black headed people like chamo- and enlighten the land to further the well being of mankind unquote about six hundred years later. The was taken by the king of elam. Shrek know if you've ever watched the two thousand two movie the emperor's club with kevin kline. You'll remember that should noonday was as the example of someone that no one remembers except that i just mentioned him in podcast and he was in a movie under the reign of Dante was believed that he erased two three dozen of the laws. Originally written by hamurabi researchers have been able to recreate the deleted laws by finding other clay tablets. That had the law's written on them sometime after that it was buried as ancient things tend to do and it was rediscovered in one thousand nine hundred one. So what does the code of hammurabi say. Many of the laws are examples of what is known in latin as lex talionis which is a law where the punishment is similar to the crime. You might know better as an eye for an eye. For example law one hundred ninety six states quote if a man destroy the eye of another man they shall destroy his. I if one break a man's bone they shall break his bone unquote however the rules were different depending on what social class. You're in for example. I didn't read the entirety of law. Ninety six just now the rest of it is as follows quote if one destroy the eye of a freeman or break the bone of a freeman. He shall pay won gold meena if one destroy the eye of a man slave or break a bone of a man slave. He shall pay one half his price unquote so the social status of the victim of a crime was a consideration in the law. If some of this sounds familiar..

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"lex talionis" Discussed on Together Podcast | A conversation about faith, justice and how to change the world

Together Podcast | A conversation about faith, justice and how to change the world

07:01 min | 1 year ago

"lex talionis" Discussed on Together Podcast | A conversation about faith, justice and how to change the world

"That was like my bickel. Knowledgeable. Is the reference of friends but yes, that was it. Wanted to be Rachel that was. and. I think kind of getting into my degree. I met this girl darn. who was like a raging beacon And she. Yeah well, she basically was like A. Have you had about sweatshops and it was quite intense conversation that we had I had it really a new of liked to distant Tam but I hadn't realized how prevalent it was to like every single soul in the UK. As not to reading this book, could naked fashion by Safia minute spoke about kind of environmental and social and took declaration that that like fashion produces and and I just was like. Well like who am I doing here? I was working part time at a sauce at the time and I can day justice. We were producing that to three hundred new like day justice and women's a day like it was a lot of volume and speed and I I guess who they sing. She sent sit very well together. So I started looking into like sustainable fashion in my old tentatives and like five years ago it was Balik like, yeah. That will literally bronze that had the trees on jumpers and like everything is very itchy and expensive and. We wanted to pull all of these plans to get us. So we organized this like fashion show in London to raise money slow like textiles project that I spent like quite a few months working on in Tanzania. So we managed with that like one fashion show to raise enough to build back a workshop. So what the charity out in Tanzania and day basically employed like locals to built dislike amazing workshop for late of women And they kind of like meet together and. Create black amazing textiles products, and it like women that have been from bowl or previously in prostitution second of a form of Yeah. Yeah. So I think. It was kind of a mixture of like seeing that like I could time at university to. Have like an impact. No matter what that was. Actually at university like we had so much free time we had like three hours or Fletcher's weeks. Brewer. Into like doing research and looking at brands and. I think I guess I tried like. I kind of thought that I want to sell something. So I sort of tried with a few different people like make a project work or say like, no, the origin was called like co Alaska and it was called the new story and just had a bunch of like terrible names. And then we actually got to a stage after lots of like funding reductions and of eventually finding a fit that worked. So we started with. About five years ago with working with like Saturate nor Ganic produces around India. So basically making neck fashion put up that was like affordable. Didn't look at the cold connect- started with like eight pieces and then that grew out to about fifty and then we had like Christmas pop up that we wanted to do and like I couldn't afford the shop. That, we wanted to sell it in. So decided to bring a load of ESCO brands basically to like stop like. LEX Talionis, Sean, and they paid for all the rent and then allowed us like Hoffa shopping shortage should dislike. Play around with and there's people that are coming into the shot with can I got all these things Naza? Oh, you can't just kind of for this Christmas two weeks. So it just kind of gave me the idea like Brian note the origin as a marketplace that could make it easy for people to shop. Ethically, so I mean, it's been a long journey like lots of changes like my accountant always laughs at this is like no, the origen seven point Oh. It really is it's changed law, and like we've started doing different revenue streams in different ways and like now. Like going into like webinars. Bike. A lot more of their education type stuff. So, ultimately, we are a market place and we still may lined able, but that's kind of a small part of what we do. Lots of unpack really. I love about the way. 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"lex talionis" Discussed on Christian Podcast Community

Christian Podcast Community

12:34 min | 2 years ago

"lex talionis" Discussed on Christian Podcast Community

"You mean like love your neighbor as yourself in the answer is yet but the principle underlying the law is still applicable today. Even if you know if the principle of self defense ones home isn't overturned the new covenant and we have good reason to think it's not there's passages. Does that speak to something similar. We don't take the prerogative of God and just say well that doesn't apply anymore. Yeah I I would certainly and I mentioned my kind of Hopefully snide comment that. Only because I think a lot people forget like I get into discussions with people. Say Oh we're supposed to love God love for neighbor and and not not not worry about this desk. The New Testament is like well. He's quoting from Leviticus. Nineteen and Deuteronomy Deuteronomy has love. God with all your heart mind soul and strength and Leviticus says. Take your neighbor as yourself. So Jesus drawing from. He's explicitly drawing from the Old Testament Law and bringing it today right and and he's expecting a fuller understanding of the law kind of been there all along You know don't hate because it leads to murder. But the prohibition for murder had pate baked baked into it even back then but it was just not articulated that is true so all right likewise another passage Judges Fifteen Samson kills a thousand thousand Philistines guns but he uses a donkey's Jawbone. Right in self defense so at this point just self defense is legit right and in in this case we do have we do have a weapon that Samson used so we'll come to some other passengers there too but yes that's t- that's true. We didn't have a gun. We'll come back to that point. In Matthew Twenty four Jesus speaks favorably of a man who stays home to defend his house against burglar in Luke. Eleven verse twenty. One when a strongman fully armed guards his own court. His goods are at peace. So these I take to be some passages that speak directly at least the idea of self defense and even beyond scripture. The same has been held. True in the heritage of American thought will come back to the second amendment. But you know John Locke among others called the right to self-defence the most fundamental of all rights because it ties back to the right of integrity over one's own body. You no you have a right not to be unlawfully harmed not to be raped not to be murdered. You have a right to life. You can't exercise your right to life if it's unlawfully taken from you. So there's there's a handful of of streams of thought on this now in addition to self defense there's also a number of passages that speak to the rights of saints to bear arms so in Nehemiah four verse thirteen and following Nehemiah arms people to defend their families and their home. Home is that when he's trying to build the wall yes exactly stationed sword in one hand and the and the building in the other exactly. Yes bricks one hand sword in the other in in Luke. Twenty two hoover's thirty-six at. I WanNa Park on this verse just for a couple minutes. As to be important. One year Jesus exhorts his followers to buy swords he said to them but but now let the one who has a money bag take it and likewise knapsack and let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one now with this verse in particular particularly. There's pushback on using this text to defend Christians bearing arms and the pushback is that Jesus was speaking of sorts here. Metaphorically and many god-fearing Bible loving commentators hold that view so Matthew Henry said of this verse quote Jesus knew these would be perilous is times so the disciples would need the sword of the spirit so also John Calvin quote. It's shameful that the disciples after just having been told about bearing bearing the cross. Now imagine they must fight with swords of iron so on this view when Jesus says it is enough in verse Thirty Eight. He's taken taken to mean something like enough of this talk about swords right he's dismissing the very notion of bringing swords now all right that's that's one view and so you can. There's a lot of respectable commentators. Hold that view. I find that view hard to square with the rest of US thirty six because Jesus says sell your cloak and buy a sword well first of all does one by the sort of the spirit no because I think magician. Try to do that later. On and got purview. For that exactly and another issue the disciple say in Verse Thirty Eight. Look Lord here to swords sue presumably. The swords didn't just appear to nowhere right. There were handy when that repeaters like the most apparent reading of the text is that they've been traveling with these two swords allred and Jesus wasn't surprised that they actually produced two swords he didn't rebuke them. Or you know like a gas like oh my how is it possible you guys have to. You know exactly exactly and look even more to the point of Jesus must have been speaking metaphorically in Luke twenty to thirty six because not long after this talk about swords. Peter draws a sword against Marcus. And and that's when Jesus famously said those who take the sword die by the Sword Matthew Twenty six fifty two and now now that saying those who take this is a proverb proverb it's it's not a formulaic guarantee right. It's a it's a general truth now. John Piper explains it this way he says quote the mindset that plans to save its life by killing is not inviting the protection of God but the violence of man and quote like. That's Dr The papers explanation of Matthew. Twenty six fifty two And I really want I. I love Dr Pepper and I. He's sports such a good exposure of God's Word I really want to agree with had inter probation but I would wanNA adjusted just a little bit because Peter wasn't trying to defend Jesus's this is life like in a vacuum right. He he was getting in the way of Jesus's purpose and his purpose was to come to the world and die for the forgiveness of sins. So like I know. It's a little presumptuous but I I think Interpreting Matthew Twenty six fifty two might be something closer to this if we're going to reframe Dr Peppers interpretation the mindset that plans to to spread the Gospel to defend the name of Christ by killing is not inviting the protection of God but the violence of man because remember Jesus. He's a pilot. My Kingdom is not of this world. If it were my servants would be fighting that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. And that's what I think. Peter gets wrong when he strikes malkhas. He's he's still has an earthly Messiah in mind. Peter was jumping the gun or the sword no pun intended and and and the key here is. Let's let's not make the same mistake. Peter made in attacking Mockus none of anything. I've said means Christ's kingdom is spread by carrying the sword anymore than it's spread by carrying money bags and knapsacks also found in Luke twenty to thirty six. We're like we're not to be this militia of Preachers Bible in one hand revolver in the other as interesting picture. And and another thing you notice this. Notice the restraint in armament from Jesus. You know the disciples said Lord here to swords. Jesus doesn't say well sheesh boys you know load up by three more get the extra long ones with blades. Coming out. The sides he said two is enough. That's plenty they didn't need more. There's no fetish of of weapons or the violence they get. It's it's sober it's tempered okay. All right well I mean that's fair enough so far but you have to we. We do have to spend some time in the passage. That's GONNA come up in any of these. Conversations is the passage regarding turning the other cheek which occurs you know at least twice in the gospels. So you want to you. Want to kind of dive into that passage and address that for a little bit. Yeah it's it's important one. I mean you're you're exactly right right turn. The other cheek is often used in in a way to to discuss Non Retaliation of all kinds including Self-defense with firearms and and the Verse Looms Large. And it's true. I think that the general thrust of the New Testament is seems to be the you know not returning evil for evil but overcome evil with good paraphrase Paul in Romans twelve were pushed towards being wronged over being violent and so the verse about turning the other cheek is found in the sermon on the Mount Matthew. Five thirty eight. He says you've heard it said an eye for an eye and a tooth for tooth but I say to you do not resist the one who is evil but if anyone slaps you on the right cheek turn to him the other. Also you had the LEX Talionis the law retaliations. It's an I for an eye. A tooth for tooth and the goal of the LEX Talionis was of course to to limit retaliation so the retaliation must be commensurate with the offense. So if someone stole your chickens you wouldn't go murder their family. The same principle applies in Christian. Just war theory of someone bombs building. You don't go nuke their entire nation nation to oblivion but in practice you see it became about vengeance over personal offense and and that's evident from the situation Jesus sites he says if anyone slaps you on the right cheek turn to him the other also and most commentators agree. I mean. You can't say that very often you know like most commentators agree hardly agree about anything but most agree. What's going on here is a backhanded slap? And most people. Then as now were right handed so just imagine if you're facing somewhat and slapping them on the right cheek you're using the back of your hand so what's at issue here is is personal insult. Yeah and it seems like also the context. I mean a lot of times. Jesus would quote from the Old Testament. He's quoting here. I for nine to three tooth. Which is legitimate old testament passage regarding the law and he's applying it two now and he's kind of revealing abuse that's been taking place? Amongst the people particularly the Pharisees and the Jewish leaders. And that is that they would be quoting noting that old testament passage to justify personal vengeance against insults rice so but that's not what the original intent attentive that Old Testament passage was. It was meant to speak to the justice system of the nation of Israel. And he does that he does that in other places as well Looking at other passages but I think that's the primary issue. Yeah that's right that's right now. Now now what makes this so compelling towards pacifism. Isn't just this verse right. But the argument goes the verse. This versus nestled into entire framework of New Testament passages. That seemed to encourage being wronged over. BEING VIOLENT FOR CHRIST'S SAKE SO I mentioned some versus earlier from first Peter Endure sorrows when suffering unjustly to nineteen nine. Do Not Repay Evil for evil three nine but others as well you know. Do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you as though something strange were happening to you. But rejoice insofar as you share in Christ's sufferings for speed or four twelve or thirteen so so like also Jesus as life-threatening dangerous situations are opportunities to bear witness. Luke twenty anyone thirteen in the book of acts reports Saul Executing Christians and. There's no report that the Christian Saul was executing tried to defend themselves. They were like lambs. Led led to slaughter for Christ's sake and we sing in Luther Sims. You know let goods and kindred go this mortal life also because God is our mighty fortress. We don't fear those who can kill the body so so that can be a compelling case The problem is this. It's the pacifist roots. Here we are taking one stream of Biblical thought and absolute sizing it over other streams of Biblical thought so just think of all of the biblical Biblical passages where we're scripture specifically enjoins various spheres not to turn the other cheek right so for one and the state doesn't turn the other cheek. You Know Paul says if you do wrong be afraid for the one. In Authority does not bear the vein for he is the Servant of God and a vendor who carries out God's odds wrath on the wrongdoer. Romans thirteen four. We'll come back to Romans. Thirteen business doesn't turn the other cheek. Paul says and to Thesselonians three ten if anything if anyone is not willing to work let let him not like. That's not mercy. That's not oh you relate to the job for the fifth time this week no big deal. Here's a paycheck. Like no like if you want work. You won't eat that's justice you can't can't run a business without the family doesn't turn the other cheek so inefficient six verse. Four fathers bring up your children in the discipline of the Lord..

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"lex talionis" Discussed on Christian Podcast Community

Christian Podcast Community

12:34 min | 2 years ago

"lex talionis" Discussed on Christian Podcast Community

"You mean like love your neighbor as yourself in the answer is yet but the principle underlying the law is still applicable today. Even if you know if the principle of self defense ones home isn't overturned the new covenant and we have good reason to think it's not there's passages. Does that speak to something similar. We don't take the prerogative of God and just say well that doesn't apply anymore. Yeah I I would certainly and I mentioned my kind of Hopefully snide comment that. Only because I think a lot people forget like I get into discussions with people. Say Oh we're supposed to love God love for neighbor and and not not not worry about this desk. The New Testament is like well. He's quoting from Leviticus. Nineteen and Deuteronomy Deuteronomy has love. God with all your heart mind soul and strength and Leviticus says. Take your neighbor as yourself. So Jesus drawing from. He's explicitly drawing from the Old Testament Law and bringing it today right and and he's expecting a fuller understanding of the law kind of been there all along You know don't hate because it leads to murder. But the prohibition for murder had pate baked baked into it even back then but it was just not articulated that is true so all right likewise another passage Judges Fifteen Samson kills a thousand thousand Philistines guns but he uses a donkey's Jawbone. Right in self defense so at this point just self defense is legit right and in in this case we do have we do have a weapon that Samson used so we'll come to some other passages there too but yes that's t- that's true. We didn't have a gun. We'll come back to that point. In Matthew Twenty four Jesus speaks favorably of a man who stays home to defend his house against burglar in Luke. Eleven verse twenty. One when a strongman fully armed guards his own court. His goods are at peace. So these I take to be some passages that speak directly at least the idea of self defense and even beyond scripture. The same has been held. True in the heritage of American thought will come back to the second amendment. But you know John Locke among others called the right to self-defence the most fundamental of all rights because it ties back to the right of integrity over one's own body. You no you have a right not to be unlawfully harmed not to be raped not to be murdered. You have a right to life. You can't exercise your right to life if it's unlawfully taken from you. So there's there's a handful of of streams of thought on this Now in addition to self defense there's also a number of passages that speak to the rights of saints to bear arms so in Nehemiah four verse thirteen and following Nehemiah arms people to defend their families and their home. Home is that when he's trying to build the wall yes exactly stationed sword in one hand and the and the building in the other exactly. Yes bricks one hand sword in the other in in Luke. Twenty two hoover's thirty-six at. I WanNa Park on this verse just for a couple minutes. As to be important. One year Jesus exhorts his followers to buy swords he said to them but but now let the one who has a money bag take it and likewise a knapsack and let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one now with this verse in particular particularly. There's pushback on using this text to defend Christians bearing arms and the pushback is that Jesus was speaking of sorts here. Metaphorically and many god-fearing Bible loving commentators hold that view so Matthew Henry said of this verse quote Jesus knew these would be perilous is times so the disciples would need the sword of the spirit so also John Calvin quote. It's shameful that the disciples after just having been told about bearing bearing the cross. Now imagine they must fight with swords of iron so on this view when Jesus says it is enough in verse Thirty Eight. He's taken taken to mean something like enough of this talk about swords right he's dismissing the very notion of bringing swords now all right that's that's one view and so you can. There's a lot of respectable commentators. Hold that view. I find that view hard to square with the rest of US thirty six because Jesus says sell your cloak and buy a sword well first of all does one by the sort of the spirit no because I think magician. Try to do that later. On and got reviewed for that exactly and another issue the disciple say in Verse Thirty Eight. Look Lord here to swords sue presumably. The swords didn't just appear to nowhere right there. There were handy when that repeaters like the most apparent reading of the text is that they've been traveling with these two swords allred and Jesus wasn't surprised that they actually produced two swords he didn't rebuke them. Or you know like a gas. Oh my how is it possible. You guys have two words you know exactly exactly and look even more to the point of Jesus must have been speaking metaphorically in Luke twenty to thirty six because not long after this talk about swords. Peter draws a sword against Marcus. And and that's when Jesus famously said those who take the sword die by the Sword Matthew Twenty six fifty two and now now that saying those who take this is a proverb proverb it's it's not a formulaic guarantee right. It's a it's a general truth now. John Piper explains it this way he says quote the mindset that plans to save its life by killing is not inviting the protection of God but the violence of man and quote like. That's Dr The papers explanation of Matthew. Twenty six fifty two And I really want I. I love Dr Pepper and I. He's sports such a good exposure of God's Word I really want to agree with had inter probation but I would wanNA adjusted just a little bit because Peter wasn't trying to defend Jesus's this is life like in a vacuum right. He he was getting in the way of Jesus's purpose and his purpose was to come to the world and die for the forgiveness of sins. So like I know. It's a little presumptuous but I I think Interpreting Matthew Twenty six fifty two might be something closer to this if we're going to reframe Dr Peppers interpretation the mindset that plans to to spread the Gospel to defend the name of Christ by killing is not inviting the protection of God but the violence of man because remember Jesus. He's a pilot. My Kingdom is not of this world. If it were my servants would be fighting that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. And that's what I think. Peter gets wrong when he strikes malkhas. He's he's still has an earthly Messiah in mind. Peter was jumping the gun or the sword no pun intended and and the key here is. Let's let's not make the same mistake. Peter made in attacking Mockus none of anything. I've said means Christ's kingdom is spread by carrying the sword anymore than it's spread by carrying money bags and knapsacks also found in Luke twenty to thirty six. We're like we're not to be this militia of Preachers Bible in one hand revolver in the other as interesting picture. And and another thing you notice this. Notice the restraint in armament from Jesus. You know the disciples said Lord here to swords. Jesus doesn't say well sheesh boys you know load up by three more get the extra long ones with blades. Coming out. The sides he said two is enough. That's plenty they didn't need more. There's no fetish ing of of weapons or the violence they get. It's it's sober it's tempered okay. All right well I mean that's fair enough so far but you have to we. We do have to spend some time in the passage. That's GONNA come up in any of these. Conversations is the passage regarding turning the other cheek which occurs you know at least twice in the gospels. So you want to you. Want to kind of dive into that passage and address that for a little bit. Yeah it's it's important one. I mean you're you're exactly right right turn. The other cheek is often used in in a way to to discuss Non Retaliation of all kinds including Self-defense with firearms and and the Verse Looms Large. And it's true. I think that the general thrust of the New Testament is seems to be the you know not returning evil for evil but overcome evil with good paraphrase Paul in Romans twelve were pushed towards being wronged over being violent and so the verse about turning the other cheek is found in the Senate on the Mountain Matthew. Five thirty eight. He says you've heard it said an eye for an eye and a tooth for tooth but I say to you do not resist the one who is evil but if anyone slaps you on the right cheek turn to him the other. Also you had the LEX Talionis the law retaliations. It's an I for an eye. A tooth for tooth and the goal of the LEX Talionis was to of course to to limit retaliation so the retaliation must be commensurate with the offense. So if someone stole your chickens you wouldn't go murder their family. The same principle applies in Christian. Just war theory of someone bombs building. You don't go nuke their entire nation nation to oblivion but in practice you see it became about vengeance over personal offense and and that's evident from the situation Jesus sites he says just if anyone slaps you on the right cheek turn to him the other also and most commentators agree. I mean. You can't say that very often you know like most commentators agree hardly agree about anything but most agree. What's going on here is a backhanded slap? And most people. Then as now were right handed so just imagine if you're facing somewhat and slapping them on the right cheek you're using the back of your hand so what's at issue here is is personal insult. Yeah and it seems like also the context. I mean a lot of times. Jesus would quote from the Old Testament. He's quoting here. I for nine to three tooth. Which is legitimate old testament passage regarding the law and he's applying it two now and he's kind of revealing abuse that's been taking place? Amongst the people particularly the Pharisees and the Jewish leaders. And that is that they would be quoting noting that old testament passage to justify personal vengeance against insults. Rice so But that's not what the original intent tint of that Old Testament passage was it was meant to speak to the justice system of the nation of Israel. And he does that he does that in other places as well Looking at other passages but I think that's the primary issue. Yeah that's right that's right now. Now now what makes this so compelling towards pacifism. Isn't just this verse right. But the argument goes the verse. This versus nestled into entire framework of New Testament passages. That seemed to encourage being wronged over being violent for Christ's sake so I mentioned some verses earlier from first Peter Endure sorrows when suffering unjustly to nineteen nine do not repay evil for evil three nine but others as well you know. Do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you test you as though something strange were happening to you. But rejoice insofar as you share in Christ's sufferings for speed or four twelve or thirteen so so like also Jesus as life-threatening dangerous situations are opportunities to bear witness Luke. Twenty anyone thirteen in the book of acts reports Saul Executing Christians and there's no report that the Christian Saul was executing tried to defend themselves. They were like lambs. Led led to slaughter for Christ's sake and we sing in Luther Sims. You know let goods and kindred go this mortal life also because God is our mighty fortress. We don't fear those who can kill the body so so that can be a compelling case The problem is this. It's the pacifist roots. Here we are taking one stream of Biblical thought and absolute sizing it over other streams of Biblical thought so just think of all of the biblical Biblical passages where we're scripture specifically enjoins various spheres not to turn the other cheek right so for one and the state doesn't turn the other cheek. You Know Paul says if you do wrong be afraid for the one. In Authority does not bear the vein for he is the Servant of God and a vendor who carries out God's odds wrath on the wrongdoer. Romans thirteen four. We'll come back to Romans. Thirteen business doesn't turn the other cheek. Paul says and to Thesselonians three ten if anything if anyone is not willing to work let let him not like. That's not mercy. That's not oh you relate to the job for the fifth time this week no big deal. Here's a paycheck. Like no like if you want work. You won't eat that's justice you can't can't run a business without the family doesn't turn the other cheek so inefficient six verse. Four fathers bring up your children in the discipline of the Lord..

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"lex talionis" Discussed on REAL AF with Andy Frisella

REAL AF with Andy Frisella

14:22 min | 2 years ago

"lex talionis" Discussed on REAL AF with Andy Frisella

"That is that you know because I know I'm I'm not saying you get killed like you might end up with a baseball bat to your fucking dome and your garage or when you're not expecting it. You know what I mean. No I I think and again you know. It's it's obviously clearly we're not glorifying. The mob or organized crime. But I think what's really interesting about this movie in the end the culture that portrays is that you have people doing some pretty horrible things but there is sort of a code that you don't break doc. You know a code of honor that you don't break there's an integrity involved keeping your promises. You know handshake that sort of thing. being honest with each other. So it's kind of weird because you know you think about the different things that organized crime or you think about even even some of the gangs even in the middle of all of that stuff that we would not agree with. There's some sort of note of honor and it's really fascinating to me dude. I it's a fascinating aspect of human life. You know that you can have a bunch of people who are otherwise doing things. Well not everything that doing was bad. Dude I think it's biblical if you WanNa really talk about it because what it is is is you know people are GonNa be like what the fuck do you let me. Let me fuck and explain here. Jesus before I start before you start getting pissed off all right look look you call me. Jesus no I'm talking to every else who's going to do the same the same kind of podcast. Give a fuck what you think right. That was the old show all right so it's biblical Dude Right. You have a standard code that you live by and when you violate but that code bad things happen to you. That is the essence of the Bible. Right you look look listen. It's an ideal. It's a set of ideals a set of use of of beliefs of rules so to speak that are imposed upon a certain culture to maintain order that is essentially what the mob is. It's the same thing. Okay now. People are saying well fuck you pay the Bible the mob. I'm not comparing them. I'm saying they're structured similarly right right right so we're talking about you. Know a code that is enforced by the threat of bad shit and it keeps people aligned. That's that's that's the reason we have so much disorder in society. Right now is because there's no fucking fear that spat shit's going to happen. You know so when we get someone who commits one of these school shootings or one of these mass murders. The motherfucker may not even go to fucking death row. You don't saying Dude you want or man you gotTa fuck a take that motherfucker. You GotTa make sure he's the right motherfucker but when you know that he is you gotta film of this dude pulling the trigger or whatever we did that do should be executed in like thirty days. You know dude due process make sure it's the right guy. DNA evidence says is this right. Physical evidence says this right witnesses blah blah blah. I understand there's exceptions. I understand exceptions. But if you've got hard proof roof to someone did something they need to be made an example of so that the rest of the people don't think that there because what's happening now. Is People think that if they get caught doing something that it's the worst that's going to happen to them is. They're going to go some country club bullshit prison and live out their days. That's not enough. Fear to keep people in check that's the truth do-gooders argue this shit and say oh well. What if he did this or and he was abused as a child or he was under duress or you had PT? Not The motherfucker hurt. This person did that person or did this or that they need to be dealt with right. We fucking argue every day about. Oh how do we stop. Dwi is how about this. Put A fucking lawn place. You get caught driving drunk. You go to jail for year. Nobody would drive drunk and you know what would happen. The CAB companies the economy and all the shit the supports that lifestyle would fucking thrive. But why don't they do that. Why don't they do it? I know why because none of the lawyers have vote for it because they make all their money defending motherfuckers all right so this is another. Are you know this is what we talked about in the last episode where we have these ideals in these systems and play that don't serve society but everybody just accepts them. You know what I mean. Yeah so I think the way things were run back then is a very relevant topic to dive into who in terms of how society is run. Today you didn't do that Shit back then you didn't fuck with people back then. People mind their own business. They did their own thing. They took care serve each other and if they did do bad shit guess what happened. Bad Shit happened to them. But we don't have that now you kids getting a fist fight in the fucking school parking. You want and call the fucking cops. You know what I'm saying. Yeah absolutely I'm not some violent fucking savage but like you you gotTa have a way to keep people in check and right now. They're not in check. They're going fucking crazy. You got all these criminals running around doing crazy ass shit because there's no fucking fear what's going to happen to them whenever they get caught. That's the truth. Because you have all these fucking ultra fucking super liberal motherfuckers who are like sympathizing with people that don't deserve it and before you raise your voice. Say Oh you're fucked up dude. I'm a victim of violent crime. I fuck no at that Shit's like do you probably not and I'm glad you don't but I'm GonNa tell you right now. The Do fucking stab me in the face he was he was there was charges that were waiting to be pressed on him for him almost killing another man with a baseball bat a few weeks beforehand. What if they had actually actually fucking enforce those charges and took care of that instead of it being like? Oh well we're not sure if this is worth Blah Blah Blah Blah you know what I'm saying do my wife and I'm glad they did it because I'm glad to happen but the point is there's lots of situations where somebody doesn't survive because if somebody like that you know what I mean what what I hear you saying to Not that this was your main point but but maybe it was a historically. We've always been a nation of laws and we've been a a nation. Where if you do this this this is what's going to result if you break the law this is what's going to happen and I think there's no question like Well particularly Wrigley and the Old Testament. There's a thing called the lex Talionis which is Which is basically modern translation would be the the law? Reciprocity which is that if you kill somebody the equitable justice for that is that that person gets killed in other words. You know the eye for an eye to what a lot of people don't realize is that that is not a prescription for vengeance. That's a prescription for if you if you take somebody's eye out the appropriate response. Is You out like right. It was meant to be in that original system in the Old Testament was meant to be a source of justice. But but there's no question that there there's a spiritual principle I mean in the three affirmed in the New Testament which is whatsoever so ever man reaps so also show he so right. So there's there's what I think what I feel like you're saying now is that we've gotten to a point where people people want to break laws whether it be legal moral ethical whatever and get out of the consequences. I don't know what people want. Yeah I know this. I know that if you're a criminal and you know that if you fucking carjack someone that and kill them that there's a chance that you could be dead in forty days. They fucking stop doing it right. People don't want to deal with the consequences of their actions. That's right and as a society. We don't fear the consequence right. They don't fear the consequences right. They don't so that's something. I can respect about the way they did back then. That's all I'm trying to say. Yeah I get it I get it well on that level though like I said it goes back to what we're saying here you have A. It's just a really complicated thing you have this this movie portraying Trang these relationships within this organized crime syndicate and they are not on many levels. They are not good people and they're not doing good things but man there is there. There is virtue at different aspects in their relationship. And I tell you what I what I liked. And I'm curious about what you have to say The the themes that I thought that were really interesting in this movie. Were the themes of friendship and loyalty there before you even say okay that I was just thinking I saw a clip that was forwarded to me by a friend of mine. Who is a New York City cop one of my best friends? Rents sends me a clip of a person. This is a news report. The person had and went this guy had went into rob dollar store with a gun and before he was able to get the money the clerk who's legally carrying a weapon shot and and killed this person. Okay then on the news. They show this person's family who got killed and they're saying he didn't deserve to get killed old he didn't Blah Blah Blah. That's the problem. I'm talking about with society motherfucker. How the fuck can you say that someone who walks into a store pulls out a gun on sticks it in someone's face and that person then defends themselves and kills? This person is not didn't get what they deserved. That's that's exactly what the fuck they deserve. And if you don't think so you're fucking delusional. I'm just going to say that right now. We cannot have people running around around doing this shit terrorizing regular folks because they feel like it's okay. You know what I mean. Yeah that makes that is not that and we have what we have now. Is We have a situation in our society where there is a group of people who look at the one exception to the rule. Right like they'll pull like right now. I can already imagine what they're saying. Well what about nineteen seventy two when prisoner number four seven seven six seven two five. We found out that we executing them wrongly well. You should've done your fucking homework better than you know what I'm saying. But that doesn't mean that we make the rest of society suffer because we made a mistake eight back in one thousand nine hundred seventy right. You know what I mean right and nobody will spend it. It's not a mistake everybody's saying it's a tragedy of somebody's wrongly accused that is that is that is a tragedy. Asia is huge chain. Don't fucking all the game plan because you're made one mistake. Learn from the mistake put systems in place to prevent that from happening. I'm pretty fucking sure. It doesn't take fifteen years for someone to figure out if they actually did these crimes or not. You know what I mean. Let's it's short net fifteen year window into. Maybe it's not forty days. Maybe it's one year. Maybe it's two years but let's make short enough to where when people are pulling a gun out of their pocket to stick in someone's face they're aware enough to know well. This could be my life in a very short time. If I do this it would make people behave differently but we have too many people out there that sympathize with people and somehow justify their behavior. Because they've we've had zero taste of this in their sheltered little fucking fairy tale life. You see what I'm saying. That's the problem. We got suzy. Suzy homemaker who's been raised in white upper middle class America who has never experienced any the real hardship or had any run INS with anything real out in the fucking street picketing for this mother fuckers rights. No Fuck you you that Doodo have no rights. You know what I'm saying. That's how I feel but then again what do I know. Only the victim of a fucking attempted murder. You know what I'm saying. What do I know so I don't know but I again? I hear what you're saying and it goes down to we're living in a society increasingly does not want to be held accountable. Whether it's breaking the law or you know it's entitlement bro Right it's titled Settlement. It's a title that I deserve to have this sort of life because I was born right. which is the absolute fucking nonsense? I some people people are so entitled. They don't even know they're entitled right right there so entitled. They're ignorant like I could always people all the time who hit me up. And they're saying yeah. Fuck these these these kids. They're so entitled. The millennials are no. It's not just the millennials. What do you think they got that from? Got It from you motherfucker right. They just come up with that idea. They watched you a lot of people pointing their finger at millennials. Should we point the finger at themselves who raises them. Who set that example? That's a great point and it's not in you and I are getting a little older. It's not just I think millennials are getting older. I'm just saying saying it's not I think. The millennials are actually starting to be the generation. That's getting older. I don't know what they call the kids in high school these days I think it's I think generation y but the point is is that yes. You're right right the dirty little. Call the fucking realist. Because that's what we're GONNA make that's right. We're GONNA generation real but But I liked that that generation our generation generation are. Yeah but really the the the dirty little secret. Nobody wants to talk about everybody's so down these kids who raised them. Who raised him? But that's the entitlement self and listen I'm I'm I'm understand what I'm saying. I get it and this is what I would say like. I'm a parent. I'm not about to quick to judge. Parenting is hard and I'm not quick to judge other parents but I will say this both as a parent is a guy that worked with kids for like ten ten years as a youth..

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"lex talionis" Discussed on Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network

Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network

04:01 min | 2 years ago

"lex talionis" Discussed on Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network

"Court both of them which is and Moses had compassion for the people both Jesus Moses Make Intercession for the people in both exodus thirty before and Second Corinthians three that they spoke with face to face and of course both were mediators of a covenant Moses in the Old Testament Jesus in the New Testament so so it's interesting to see those parallels but deuteronomy structures pretty straightforward I P versus the first few chapters about the failure that they had endured the conclusion to the thirty eight years of wilderness wandering the mutual love that The love of God for the people and the obligations in response in fact. That's really what chapters twelve all through twenty seven deal with the obligations of God related people and even though we're not into law there's many things that will gleaned from that as being related people and then the alternatives turned that are before God related people in Chapters Twenty seven to thirty and then the final arrangements that for continuity with Moses passing at the end of the book so that's a quick Sousse Napster out of the book and of course we are in chapters nine hundred twenty tonight so we're talk a little bit about the cities of refuge. We're talking talk about what a goal is. And we'll talk about the principle of Lex Talionis which you know as a as I for night so forth so but it's interesting what's happening here. Is there anticipating a settlement. They've been wandering for thirty eight years so all the arrangements that they're used to traveling nomadic group are starting to shift because they're going after Moses dies are going to be going into the lion under Joshua and so on but they'll start settling and some changes they're going to start decentralizing the administration of Justice as nomadic tribes of Central Authority with Moses and the priest and so forth. They're going to have to distribute that. So it's going to change caused some changes under Moses. The Altar had become an asylum for someone who killed it other person accidentally if you were accused of manslaughter you killed someone. I'm one of those days. The next of kin would come after you but if you were if it was an accidental death what we call manslaughter provisions. There was if if they could make it to the to the to the Tabernacle and the altar was a place that someone innocent could find asylum. Well that doesn't work if you're going to be spread across the land so we will. Even the slaying of animals by the way was now a decentralized remember from Deuteronomy twelve but so the law the silent geographical changes going on. So let's jump into Deuteronomy nineteen verse one when the Lord God has cut off the nation's who land the Lord. I gotTA give it. The and they'll succeed is them and dweller cities and in their houses. Thou shalt separate three cities for the in the midst of our land which Florida possessive. Now prepare the way and divide the coast via land which the Lord thy God give inherit into three parts that every slayer may flee so this is where you're introducing this whole idea of the the cities of refuge. The actually not set up three already on the east of the Jordan. They're gonNA sit up three more on the west of the Jordan and these. We'll take a look at these here. The I understand that when the tribes going to the land each of the tribes the exception of one one gets inheritance they buy lot. Divide the land into regions for Judah and Benjamin and so forth and except for the Levis the Levis did not inherit the land and because God was their inheritance but what they did get. We're forty eight cities that were assigned to the Levi's they're actually thirteen of those were for or the family of Aaron. The priest themselves nine were in Judah Foreign Benjamin those were scattered over six but six of these forty eight cities where declared cities of refuge and the they were to have a space about a thousand Cubans. Call it five hundred eighty three yards if you will beyond the city walls for pasture and raising crops and such purposes in addition to the city..

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"His teaching on the Book of Deuteronomy Chapter One Thousand Nine hundred twenty. Okay obviously we're in the Tora just by way of review and we had we genesis exodus. Lucas his numbers. Deuteronomy are the Torah or the Pentateuch and the Greek and of these though we of course in a book. That's really collection of sermons. Where Moses knowing as at the end of his days is reviewing and giving them a final message and so the whole redemptive God's plan redemption was an exodus his his instruction for worship and twenty numbers ten and then their failure faith where they were condemned to a thirty eight years to take thirty eight years? What we should have been eleven day journey in the book of numbers? Finally we get during those after those they have as you call as we review. Before the conquest east of Jordan the King of og the king of Ceylon and arrested him and but we always think of the conquest as being under Joshua in Israel. Proper as we would call or a UH west of the Jordan River but they had several conquest east and they actually setup some cities. We're talking about in a minute. Which is one reason? I want to get this in perspective but we we get to the book of Deuteronomy. The whole the issue here is relationship. Let me surprise you because we were talking a lot. But the laws as Moses continues to review the various laws that were established in exodus and numbers and so forth. It's actually set of sermons and it's really about relationship. The basic message is that God has not changed since then and man has not changed since. Then that's the basic message. Believe it or not. In the book of Deuteronomy as Love Book of Deuteronomy is the book that Jesus quotes from more than any other book. He quotes from each generally Jesus quotes from each of the books of the Torah and attributed them to Moses. So these people who think that Moses didn't write haven't done their homework if you if you believe Jesus scratching up who wrote the book the books most most it. You don't believe indeed scratch. You've got bigger problems in the authorship of the Torah but Jesus quotes from look of Deuteronomy than any other it's interesting during temptations famous temptations. Each one of those responses is a quote from the Scripture in each of the scriptures in that have been around me. And so it's it's not a question of do's and don'ts really deuteronomy actually not about legalism as it would seem so superficial reading. It's actually a lot relationship. and Jesus is the fulfillment of each of these issues and each relationships ships. And I won't go through the rest. They'll be in the notes we'll go ahead and so the book is pretty simple. There should really a group of sermons and then a summary of three sermons. It's really and then some comments that were appended of course by the scribes regarding Moses very final days and so now we mentioned last time eighteen the qualities our prophet and so what we mentioned that under in the gospel of John when they when John the Baptist was east of the Jordan twenty miles from Jerusalem the the Scribes had to send a special investigator investigative team to find out what was going on with such crowds John the Baptist at the Jordan from the temple area that the wanted to find out what's going on now. That's very interesting itself. We realize these people are on foot. There was no rental cars like today in Jerusalem you have around car and twenty mile drive and get to know. These people walked twenty miles to John. The Baptist so many the investigative but when they went there the actually questions. Are you the Messiah. No are you the the Elijah no are you. That Prophet the Prophet of Moses. Of course he said no and then he he was in you. Go on and John One. But this prophet offered of Moses. It's interesting that from Deuteronomy. Eighteen and other passages. There was an expectation. Obviously return of lij mentioned the Malachi in several places and obviously The the Messiah was atmosphere expectation there. But the Prophet Moses Jesus was incidentally interestingly enough fulfillment of that too as parallels between Moses and Jesus he was buried in both of them were spared an infancy both of them renounced royal court both of them both Jesus and Moses had compassion for the people both Jesus Moses Make Intercession for the people in both x thirty four and Second Corinthians three they spoke with face to face and of course both of them were mediators of Covenant Moses and the Old Testament of course Jesus in the New Testament so it's interesting to see those parallels but deuteronomy structures pretty straightforward. I P versus the first few chapters about the failure that they had endured the conclusion of the thirty eight years of wilderness. Just wandering the mutual love that the love of God for the people and the obligations in response in fact. That's really what chapters twelve through twenty seven deal with the obligations of God. God related people. And even though we're not under the law there's many things that will gleaned from that as being God related people and then the alternatives that are before God related people in Chapters Persona thirty and then the final arrangements that for continuity with Moses passing at the end of the book so quick Snapshot Of the Book and of course we are in in Chapters nineteen and twenty tonight so nineteen. We're GONNA talk a little bit about the cities of refuge. We're talking about what a goal is and we'll talk about the principle of Lex Talionis which you know as I for night So forth so but it's interesting what's happening here. Is there anticipating a settlement. They've been wandering for thirty eight years so all the arrangements that they're used to as a crowding nomadic group are starting to shift because they're going after Moses dies are going to be going into the Lion Motor Joshua and so on but they'll start settling and some change is going to start decentralizing the administration of Justice as nomadic tribes of Central Authority with Moses and the priest and so forth. They'RE GONNA have to distribute that. So it's GonNa Change caused some changes under Moses the the alter had become an asylum for someone who killed other person accidentally if you were accused of manslaughter killed someone in those days. The next of kin would come after you but if you were if it was an accidental death what we call manslaughter there with their provisions there was if the if they could make it to the to the to the Tabernacle and the altar itself was a place that someone innocent could find asylum. Well that doesn't work if you're GONNA be spread across the land so we won't. Even the slaying of animals by the way was now. Decentralized Remember Deuteronomy twelve but so the Law of silence had geographical changes going on. So let's jump into Deuteronomy nineteen verse one when the Lord God you have cut off the nation's whose land the Lord I got the Dow succeeded him and Wilson Their cities and in their houses Dow showed separate separate three cities for the in the midst of our land which the Lord Giveth possessing. Now show prepare the way and divide the coasts of I. La in which the Lord thy God give it the inherit in three parts that every slayer may flee there so this is where you're introducing this whole idea Of the cities of refuge the actually set up three already on the east of the Jordan. Going to sit up three more on the west of the Jordan. And these and we'll take a look at these here. I understand that when the tribes go into the land each of the exception of one gets inheritance by lot the divide the land into regions for Judas Indian Benjamin and so forth. And I accept the Levi's the levis did not inherit the land because God was their inheritance but what they did get forty eight cities that were assigned to the Levi's there are actually thirteen of those were for the family of Aaron. The priest themselves nine nine. Were in Judah Foreign Benjamin those were scattered over six but six of these forty eight cities were declared cities of refuge and the they were to have a space of about a thousand Cubans. Call it five hundred eighty three yards if you will beyond the city walls for pasture and raising crops and such purposes in addition to the somebody say the cities. It wasn't just the town they receive some area around the town and the sacred boundary was square. We understand from some archaeological discoveries having the four angles the four cardinal points if you can visualize that we call Diamond Rama's but equal size but with the corners at cardinal points but anyway Four six of these cities were cities of refuge and they were Qadesh checking at Bron. Beezer Brim freemuth. Gilead and talent gone now as we'll see quickly get the picture here but we'll see the text develops the idea. was that if you found yourself in a situation where you'd caused the accidental death of someone you're working in. The example of Moses will use it if the if the head of the accent you're chopping down trees should slip off thing and hit somebody and kill them accident. There's no there's no premeditation. There's no grudge. That's not. Aw that's what we would call an are accurate manslaughter equivalent if you accidentally hit someone in the car or something well if that was the case what you did right then and there you had to find your way quickly to one of the six cities of refuge and if you could convince the city fathers there and there's a procedure that will come to. It was manslaughter not premeditated they would give you a silent. The Avenger of blood the next of kin person that was killed. It was coming after. You could not touch you if you had made it. To the city of refuge we're accepted by them and as long as you remained in the city of refuge. You are safe. It's cutting into your exercise time..

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03:33 min | 2 years ago

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"I just mentioned the Malachi in several places and obviously the Messiah was atmosphere of expectation there. But the Prophet of Moses Jose Jesus was incidentally enough fulfillment of that too. There's a lot of parallels between Moses and Jesus he was buried in both of them were spared in infancy both of them renounced announced royal court both of them both Jesus and Moses had compassion for the people both Jesus Moses Make Intercession for the people It said in both both exit thirty four. And Second Corinthians three that they spoke with face to face and of course both of them were mediators of a covenant Moses in the Old Testament of course Jesus in the New Testament. So it's interesting to see those parallels but deuteronomy structures pretty straightforward. I P versus the first chapters about the failure that they had endured the the conclusion of the thirty eight years of wilderness wandering the mutual love the love of God for the people and the obligations in response. In fact. That's really what chapters twelve through twenty seven deal with the obligations of God related people and even though we're not under the law there's many things that will gleaned from that as being related people the alternatives that are before God related people in Chapters Twenty seven to thirty and then the final arrangements for continuity with Moses passing at the end of the book. So that's a quick snapshot of the Book and of course we are in chapters nineteen twenty tonight so nineteen. We're talk a little bit about the cities of refuge. We're talking about what a goal is and we'll talk about the principle of Lex Talionis which you know as a as I for night so forth so but it's interesting what's happening here. Is there anticipating a settlement. They've been wandering for thirty eight years so all the arrangements that they're used to traveling pneumatic group are starting starting to shift. Because they're going after most is going to be going into the lion under Joshua and so on but they'll start settling and some changes they're going to start decentralizing realizing that the administration of Justice as nomadic tribes had a central authority with Mohsen the priest and so forth. They're going to have to distribute that. So it's GonNa Change caused some changes under Moses. The Altar had become an asylum for someone who killed another person accidentally if you were accused of manslaughter you killed killed someone in those days. The next of kin would come after you but if you were if it was an accidental death what we call it manslaughter. Their their provisions there was if if they could make it to the to the to the tabernacle the altered self was a place that someone could find asylum. Well that doesn't work if you're GONNA be spread across the land so we will. Even the slaying of animals by the way was now. Decentralized Remember Deuteronomy twelve but so the Law of silence at geographical changes going on. So let's jump into Deuteronomy nineteen first first one when the Lord God has cut off the nation's whose land the Lord I got the and they'll succeed is them and into ellison their cities and in their houses thou shalt separate three cities for the in the midst of our land which the Lord Giveth either possess it. Now prepare or the way and divide the coasts of I land which the Lord thy God give it the inherit into three parts that every slayer may flee either so this is where you're introducing this whole idea of the the cities of refuge. They actually setup three already on the east of the Jordan. They're gonNA sit up three more on the west of Jorde and these. We'll take a look at these here..

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03:46 min | 2 years ago

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"I I if you chapters about the failure that they had endured the conclusion of the thirty eight years of wilderness wandering the mutual love the love of God for the people and the obligations in response. In fact that's really what chapters twelve through twenty seven with the obligations of God related people and there are even though we're not under the law. There's many things that will gleaned from that as being God related people and then the alternatives that are before God related people in Chapters Twenty seven to thirty and then the final arrangements for continuity with Moses passing at the end of the books so that's a quick snapshot of the Book of course we are in chapters And Nine hundred twenty tonight so nineteen. We're GONNA talk a little bit about the cities of refuge huge. We're talking about what a goal is and we'll talk about the principle of Lex Talionis which you know as I for night so forth so so but it's interesting what's happening here. Is there anticipating settlement. They've been wandering for thirty eight years so all the arrangements that they're used to as a traveling nomadic group are starting to shift because they're going after most is going to be going into the land under Joshua and so on but they'll start settling and some changes they're going to start decentralizing. The administration of Justice as a nomadic tribe the central authority with those in the priest and so forth. They're going to have to distribute at that. So it's GonNa Change caused some changes under Moses. The Altar had become an asylum for someone who killed another person accidentally accused of manslaughter. Slaughter if you killed someone in those days the next of kin would come after you but if you were if it was an accidental death what we call manslaughter there with their provisions there was if they could make it to do that to the to the Tabernacle and the altar itself was a place that someone innocent could find asylum. Well that doesn't work if you're GONNA be spread across the land so we will. Even the slaying of animals by the way was now. Decentralized Remember Deuteronomy twelve but the law silent and had a geographical changes going on. So let's jump into Deuteronomy nineteen verse one when the Lord God has cut off the nation's whose land the Lord I got give it the and Thou succeed is dwellers in their cities and in their houses thou shalt separate three cities for the in the midst of our land which the Lord God Giveth lead to possess it now shop doc prepare the way and divide the coasts of Islay in which the Lord God giveth inherit in a three parts that every slayer may flee flee so this introducing this whole idea of the the cities of refuge the setup three already on the east of the Jordan. They're gonNA sit up three more on the west of the Jordan and these and we'll take a look at these here the you I want you to understand that when the tribes go into the land each the tribes the exception of one gets inheritance by lot. They divide the land into regions for Judas Indian Benjamin and so forth and except for the Levis. Levi's did did not inherit the land because God was their inheritance but what they did get. We're forty eight cities that were assigned to the Levi's they're actually thirteen. Gene of those were for the family of Aaron. The priest themselves nine were in Judah Foreign Benjamin the others were scattered over six but six of these forty eight cities were declared cities of refuge. And the they were to have a space of about a thousand cubits call it followed her now three yards if you will beyond the city walls for pasture and raising crops crops in such purposes in addition to the city somebody say the cities. It wasn't just the town they receive some area around the town and the sacred boundary was a square. We understand from some archaeological discoveries having the.

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"Dr Mesler begins his teaching on the book of Deuteronomy Chapter Nineteen and twenty. Okay obviously we're in the Torres core. I just by way of review and we had genesis excess limited numbers around me are the Torah or the Pentateuch and the Greek and of these. We are our course in a book. That's really collective sermons were Moses. Knowing as at the end of his days is reviewing and giving them a final message and so so the whole redemptive God's plan redemption was an exodus his instruction for worship and Xs twenty-three number ten and then their failure the faith where they were condemned to thirty eight years to take thirty years. What we should've been eleven day journey in the book of numbers? Finally we get and during those after they have as you call. We reviewed before the Conquest Easter Jordan. The King of og the king of Siam Resin and always conquest as being under Joshua in Israel proper as we would call it or the west of the Jordan River but they had several conquest east and they actually setup some cities. We're talking about a minute. which she's one reason? I want to get this in perspective but we we get to the book of Deuteronomy the whole issue. Here's relationship. Let me surprise because we were talking a lot. But the laws as Moses Continues News to review the various laws that were established in exodus and numbers and so forth. It's actually a set of sermons and it's really about relationship. The basic message is that God has not changed since then and man has not changed since then and so the basic message believe it or not in the book around me is love. Book of Deuteronomy is the book doc that Jesus quotes from more than any other book. He quotes from each Jesus quotes from each of the books of the Torah and attributed them to Moses so these people who think that Moses didn't write it haven't done homer if you if you believe in Jesus Christ you who wrote the book the books of most most you don't believe in Jesus Christ you got bigger problems in the authorship of the Torah but Jesus quotes from the book of Deuteronomy that any of them it's interesting that during his temptations famous temptations each one of his response. This is a quote from the Scripture in each of the scriptures in that have been around me and so it's not a question of using. Don't really deuteronomy. It's actually not about legalism as it would seem so superficial reading. It's actually excellent relationship. and Jesus is the fulfillment of each of these issues and relationships. And I won't go through the rest of they'll be in the notes we'll go ahead now and so the book is pretty simple. Apple is really a group of sermons and a summary of three sermons really Some comments that were of course by the scribes regarding Moses very final days days and so now we mentioned last time eighteen the qualities our prophet and so when we mentioned that under in the gospel of John we a a when John the Baptist was Jordan twenty miles from Jerusalem. The scribes had to send a special investigator investigative team to find out what was going on such crowds John the Baptist at the Jordan from the temple. Area that the find out what's going on. It's very interesting itself. Realize is these people are on foot. There was no rental cars like today in Jerusalem. You grab around car and it's twenty milder Ivan. Get to join you know. These people walked twenty miles to John. The Baptist so many that the investigative investigative but when they went there and they ask three questions. Are you the Messiah. No are you the the a larger no are you. That Prophet the Prophet of Moses. Of course he said they go on and drawn one but this profit of Moses. It's interesting that from Deuteronomy. Eighteen and other passages. There was an expectation. Tation obviously return of Elijah. That's mentioned Malachi and several places and obviously the Messiah was atmosphere expectation there but the Prophet of Moses Jesus was incidentally interestingly enough fulfillment of that too there's a lot of parallels Moses and Jesus he was spared in both of them were spared in infancy can see both of them renounced a royal court both of them both Jesus and Moses had compassion for the people both these Moses make intercession for the people It said in at both exit thirty four. Second Corinthians three that they spoke with confidence to face and of course both were mediators of a covenant Moses in the Old Testament Jeez in the new testament so it's interesting to see those parallels deuteronomy structures pretty straightforward first few verses the first few chapters about the failure that they had endured and the conclusion of the thirty eight years of wilderness wandering the mutual love the love of God for the people and the obligations in response. In fact. That's really what chapters twelve twenty seven deal with the obligations of God related people and there are even though we're not into law there's many things that will gleaned from that as being God in related people and then the alternatives that are before God related people in Chapters Twenty seven or thirty and then the final arrangements for continuity with Moses passing at the end of the book so that's a quick snapshot of the Book and of course we are in chapters in one thousand nine hundred tonight so nineteen. We're GONNA talk a little bit about the cities of refuge. We're talking about what a goal is and we'll talk about the principle of Lex Talionis which you know. As as I for night you know so forth so but it's interesting what's happening here. Is there anticipating settlement. They've been wandering for thirty eight years all the arrangements that they're used to as a traveling automatic group are starting to shift because they're going after Moses dies are going to be going into the lion under Joshua and so on but start settling and some changes. They're just going to start decentralizing. The Administration of Justice as nomadic tribes of Central Authority with Moses and the priest and so forth. They're going to have to distribute that. So it's going to change. 'cause some changes under Moses. The Altar had become an asylum for someone who killed another person accidentally. If you're used of manslaughter you killed someone those days. The next of kin would come after you but if you were if it was an accidental death we call manslaughter there with their provisions there was if if they can make it to the to the Tabernacle and the altered self was a place that someone innocent could find silent. Well that doesn't work if you're GONNA be spread across the land so we will. Even the slaying of animals by the way was decentralized. Remember Deuteronomy twelve but so the law of the silent had geographical changes going on. So let's jump into Deuteronomy nineteen verse one when the Lord God has cut off the nation's whose land the Lord I gotTa Give It. The and I've succeeded. Sita Spin and Wellington cities and in their houses. Thou shalt separate three cities for the in the midst of land which the Lord Giveth to possess it. Now show prepare the way and divide the coasts of I land which the Lord God give it to inherit in three parts that every slayer may flee so this is where introducing this whole idea of a the cities of refuge. They actually set up three already on the east of the Jordan. They're gonNA sit up three more on the west of the Jordan and these and we'll take a look at these here. The I understand that when the tribes go into the land each of the tribes the exception of one gets inheritance they buy lot divide the land into regions for Judas Indian Benjamin and so forth and except for the Levis invites Levi's did not inherit the land because God was their inheritance but what they did get. We're forty eight cities that were assigned to the Levi's you're actually thirteen of those. Were for the family of Aaron. The priest themselves nine were In Judah Foreign Benjamin the others were scattered six but six of these forty eight cities where declared layered cities of refuge and the they were to have a spacer one thousand cubits call it five hundred eighty three yards if you will beyond the city walls for pasture sure and raising crops and such purposes in addition to the city somebody say the cities. It wasn't just the town they receive some area around that town and the sacred boundary was a square glare. We understand from some archaeological discoveries having the four angles at the four cardinal points if you can visualize that we call a diamond rombas but equal size but with with the corners of the cardinal points but anyway four sixty eight forty cities were cities of refuge and they were checking Bron Bas earth rim of Gilead and Mogollon talent. Gone Now as we'll see when getting quickly get the picture here but we'll see as the text develops the idea. was that if you found yourself in a situation where you'd 'cause the accidental accidental death of someone you're working in the example of Moses uses if the if the head of the accent you're chopping trees should slip off the thing and hit somebody and kill him dental. There's there's no premeditation. There's no grudge. It's not that's what we would call them are accurate manslaughter. Equivalent if you accidentally hit someone in the ars something well if that was the case what you did right then and there. You had to find your way quickly to one of the cities of refuge and if you could convince the city fathers there and there's a procedure that will come to Was Manslaughter not premeditated they would give you a silent. The the vendor of blood the next of kin from the person that was killed it was coming after. You could not touch you if you had made it to the city of refuge and we're accepted by them and as long as you remained in the city of refuge. You are safe. You left the city of refuge for whatever reason you were fair. Game to the Avenger of blood not realized. They didn't have an organized police force. It's interesting to realize we have a nation here Israel that had no that didn't have a police force also had no prisons took care of that another way and so it's a different kind of cultural setting but we observe this with great fascination in fact if you read most commentators most commentators they will talk about. This tend to regard this whole procedure getting into as just a quaint custom. Uh of ancient Israel there's nomadic tribe converting to a settlement tribe has just curious cultural background. It may have applications that are far more profound once you recognize that the scripture is designed by God himself and every detail there is specifically by is engineering. We started asking ourselves questions. What's what's going on here because there's another aspect? The cities of refuge very strange you had this asylum in in the city of refuge until the high priest died the high priest died. You're free to go and you're protected and go back home now. You See Yourself. That's kind of weird weird. Because he's six cities are scattered across the whole nation. And what does what does the death of the high priest down in Jerusalem to do anything but that was the procedure and that was in the. Let's take a look at these six feet feeling geography Three of them are west.

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11:18 min | 2 years ago

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"Okay. Obviously we're in the Tora. Just by way of Review Genesis Exodus Limited numbers. Deuteronomy are Torah or the Pentateuch and of these. We are of course a book. That's really a collection of sermons were Moses. Knowing as at the end of his days his is reviewing and giving them a final message and so the whole redemptive God's plan redemption was an exodus his instruction for worship an exit twenty three numbers ten and then their failure faith where they were condemned to a thirty eight years to take thirty eight years. What really should have been eleven Sunday journey in book of numbers? Finally we get during those After those they have as you recall as before the conquest east of Jordan the king of og the king of Ceylon and the rest of them And but we always think of conquest as being under Joshua in Israel proper as we would call it or the west of the Jordan River ever had several conquest east and they actually setup some cities. We're talking about a minute. which is one reason wanting a perspective but we get to the book of Deuteronomy the whole issue? Here's relationship. Let me surprise you because we were talking to the laws. As Moses continues to review the various laws were established in exodus and numbers and so forth. It's actually a set of sermons and its relationship. The basic message is that God has not changed since then and man has not changed since then the basic message believe it or not in the book of Deuteronomy as Love Book of Deuteronomy is the book that Jesus quotes from more than any other book. He quotes from each Jesus quotes from each of the books of the Torah and attributes them to Moses. So these people who think that Moses didn't write it. I haven't done their homework if you if you believe in. Jesus Christ you who wrote the book. The books of Moses did you don't believe in Jesus Christ you've got bigger problems in the authorship of the Torah Jesus quotes from the book of Deuteronomy that any. It's interesting that during his temptations famous temptations. Each one of his responses is a quote from scripture in each of those scriptures are in that could around. And so it's not a question of do's and don'ts renewed the army's actually not about legalism as it would seem so superficial reading. It's actually about relationship. and Jesus is the fulfillment of each of these issues relationships. And I don't go through the rest. They'll be in the notes we'll go ahead and so the outline of the book is pretty simple. This really group of sermons and then a summary of three sermons really and then some comments that were appended of course by the scribes regarding Moses very final days and so now we mentioned last time eighteen qualities profit so we mentioned that in the gospel of John We when they when Ghana Baptist was east of the Jordan twenty miles from Jerusalem the scribes had to send a special invested investigative team to find out what was going on such crowds with John the Baptist at the Jordan from the temple area that the they wanted to find out what's going on. It's very interesting itself. You realize these people are on foot. There was no rental cars like today in Jerusalem. You grab around car. And it's twenty mile driving join. These people walked twenty miles to John the Baptist so many that the investigated. When they went there they asked three questions? Are you the Messiah. No are you the the Elijah no are you. That Prophet the Prophet of Moses. Of course he said no and then He. He was in John One but this Prophet of Moses is interesting I think that from Deuteronomy eighteen and other passages. There was an expectation obviously return of Elijah. That's mentioned in Malachi places and obviously the the messiahs atmosphere of expectation there. But this Prophet of Moses Jesus was incidentally interestingly enough fulfillment of that too there's a lot of parallels between Moses. Jesus he was buried in both of them were spared in infancy both of them renounced a royal court both of them both Jesus and Moses had compassion for the the people both Jesus Moses Make Intercession for the people in both exodus thirty four and second Corinthians three that they spoke with face to the face and of course both of them were mediators Covenant Moses and the Old Testament of course Jesus in the New Testament. So it's interesting to see those parallels but deuteronomy structures structure pretty straightforward. I I if you chapters about the failure that they had endured and the conclusion of thirty eight years of wilderness wandering the mutual love the love of God for the people and the obligations in response. In fact that's really what chapters twelve to twenty seven with the obligations of God related people and there are even though we're not under the law. There's many things that will gleaned from that as being related people and then the alternatives that are before God related people in Chapters Twenty seven thirty and and then the final arrangements that continuity with Moses passing at the end of the book so that's a quick snapshot of the Book. Of course we are in chapters nine in one thousand nine hundred eighty tonight so nineteen. We're GONNA talk a little bit about the cities of refuge. We're talking about what a goal is and we'll talk about the principle of Lex Talionis a switch a you know as I for night so forth so but it's interesting what's happening here. Is there anticipating settlement. They've been wandering mm for thirty eight years so all the arrangements that they're used to traveling nomadic groove are starting to shift because they're going after Moses dies are going to be going into the land under Josh. Josh wants on. But they'll start settling and some changes they're just going to start decentralizing. The administration of Justice as a nomadic tribe. They had a central authority with those in the precinct. Self-worth they're going to have to distribute that so it's going to change caused some changes under Moses. The Altar had become become an asylum for someone who killed another person accidentally if you were accused of manslaughter you killed someone. In those days. The next of kin would come after you but if you were if was an accidental death what we call slaughter there with their provisions there was if if they could make it to the to the to the tabernacle the altered self was a place that someone innocent could find asylum. Well that doesn't work if you're GONNA be spread across the land so he'll even the slaying of animals by the way was now. Decentralized Remember Deuteronomy twelve but so the law of asylum had geographical changes going on. So let's jump into deuteronomy eighteen verse one when the Lord Thy God has cut off the nation's nations whose land the Lord I got give it. The and succeed has them and Wellington their cities and in their houses. Thou shalt separate three city's for the in the midst of land which the Lord Giveth either possess now short prepare the way and divide the coasts of I land which the Lord thy God give it to inherit into three parts that every slayer may flee so this is where you're introducing this whole idea of the the a cities of refuge. They actually set up three already on the east of the Jordan. They're gonNA sit up three more on the west of the Jordan and these and we'll take a look at these here. The I want you to understand that when the tribes go into the land each of the tribes the exception of one gets inheritance by lot they divide the land into regions for Judas Indian Benjamin and so forth and except for the Levis the Levis did not inherit the land because God was their inheritance but they did get. We're forty eight cities that were assigned to the Levi's they're actually thirteen of those were for the family of Aaron. The priest themselves nine were in Judah Foreign Foreign Benjamin the others were scattered over six but six of these forty eight cities were declared cities of refuge and the they were to have a space of about a thousand cubits cubits call it five hundred thirty three yards if you will beyond the city walls for pasture and raising crops and such purposes in addition to the city and when we say the cities it wasn't just the town they receive some area around town and the sacred boundary was a square. We understand from some archaeological discoveries having the four angles at the four cardinal points conviction. Is that what we call dioramas but equal size but with the a corners at the at the cardinal points but anyway four six of these. It's eight forty cities of refuge. And they were checking Bron Beezer rim of Gilead and go and the Golan town now as we'll see when the quickly the picture here but we'll see as the text develops the idea was. Is that if you found yourself in a situation where you'd 'cause the accidental death of someone you're working in the example of Moses will use if if the head of the ACA chopping trees should slip off and hit somebody and kill exactly dental. There's no there's no premeditation. There's no grudge. It's not that's what we we would call them are manslaughter equivalent. If you accidentally hit someone in the car or something if that was the case what you did right then and there you had to find find your way quickly to one of the city's refuge and if you could convince the city fathers there and there's a procedure that will come to that it was manslaughter not premeditated they would give you asylum the the Of Injury of blood the next of kin person that was killed. It was coming after. You could not touch what you if you had made it to the city of refuge and we're accepted by them and as long as you remained in the city of refuge. You are safe if you left the city of refuge for whatever reason you were fair game to the Avenger of blood see realized. They didn't have an organized. Police Force interesting to realize we have a nation here Israel that had no that didn't have a police force that such also had prisons. You took care that another way and so it's a different kind of cultural setting but we observe this with great fascination in fact if you read most commentators most commentators they will talk about. This tend to regard this whole procedure. Getting into as just a quaint custom of ancient Israel this nomadic tribe converting to a settlement tribe. As as just you know a curious cultural background it may have some implications that are far more profound once you recognize that the scripture is designed By God himself and every detail there is specifically by engineering. We start asking ourselves some questions. What's what's going on here because there's another aspect? The city's he's refuse very strange used. You had this asylum in the city of refuge until the high priest died the high priest died. You're free to go and you're or protected and you go back home now you see yourself. That's kind of weird. Because these cities are scattered across the whole nation. And what does what does the death of the high priest down in Jerusalem have to do anything but that was the procedure that was in the Torah. Well let's take a look at these cities to get a feeling for the geography. Three of them are west.

"lex talionis" Discussed on KOA 850 AM

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"lex talionis" Discussed on KOA 850 AM

"This is also a rule of law story because we've been doing the rule of law series as well. And this is one of those rare times when these two intersect on these exact days in history over two hundred years ago. Louis incor-, we're on the Pacific coast. And Lewis was examining how the Indians there approached this thing called law. There are laws like those of all uncivilized in. Consist of a set of customs which have grown out of their local situations that Meriwether Lewis writing dismissively about how the Indians they're encountering on the Pacific coast come up with their laws. Meet these people's. It's really good enlightenment question. What the glue that holds their culture together. How do they settle disputes? How do they compensate for breach of contract out of the if if someone kills somebody does he go to prison he killed as lex talionis is alive? Tooth for a tooth what what's their system? You're listening to our resin Lewis and Clark expert, clay jenkinson. These are really interesting and important questions sort of universal questions of how cultures organize themselves, and what they realized is that they do have a system that there are dog soldiers or especially leap patrol hunt and make sure that nobody Russia's offense scares the hurt away that there are people on a war skirmish shoe, prevent the rash. Young inexperienced warrior from firing his arrow or shooting too fast and wrecking the ambush there is punishment for some types of social behavior like adultery. There is a system, but it's not written down. It's custom and each drive has a slightly different custom code that comes from a long set of experiences. Going.

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"lex talionis" Discussed on KOMO

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"lex talionis" Discussed on KOMO

"Of the franchise. What has kept you in your folks? Most busy, and what will keep you busy. Let's say over the next six months. While we signed up for a heck of a workload. Letter. We're not ready or not. In the fall of twenty twenty one. Fox gonna drop but the building six months earlier in that day to be wasted. We've got. World class staff we've got to build this. Serena we've got to pick a team. So there's a lot of work to be done. And I'm afraid that that holiday than promising. My wife's probably not in the cards for a little while here. I know there are a lot of questions they obviously people very curious about what the name will be in when and how that decision will be made lex talionis colors as well. Just talk about that. Overall process of branding your franchise and not only the importance of making a connection with the community. But you guys are no different than anybody else. You want to sell a lot of merchandise. Something that's going to have appeal, right? Well, some of that is the commercial aspect, but I always think that the brands are you build a brand authenticity and a feeling of somebody said to me the other day. Wouldn't it be cool? If you had a general manager on in place before you actually landed on a final name. You know? So it's a really interesting process changes in his dynamic by the day. But we're gonna land on a team name is gonna make everyone proud more than making her fans proud. Ultimately, the players are going to be proud to pull that jersey on represent Seattle. And but I think sometimes twenty nine and we're gonna roll out the name, and I'm really excited, and you know, it's a little bit of a parlor game in my house. We talking about. But we're listening, and we're we're still in that listening tour, and we attend to be on it for a good while Sanders owner Adrian our part of the ownership group, apples and oranges. I know we're talking soccer versus hockey. Is there anything in discussions? You had with Adrian. Provided some insight into lanching an expansion franchise in Seattle. I the Sounders made the playoffs every year they've been existence. Adrian is. You know what he's done? We hope to chief some part if someday. So we have great admiration,.

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