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August 06, 2021: McConnells Herschel Walker problem, part II

POLITICO Playbook Audio Briefing

06:36 min | 2 months ago

August 06, 2021: McConnells Herschel Walker problem, part II

"Presented by facebook. Simoni playbook irs. It's friday august sixth. I'm roy gutman of all in. And this is your politico. Playbook daily briefing. Here's your almost daily. Update on the bipartisan infrastructure. Bill while the senate worked late trying to get it done last night it wasn't meant to be however senate majority leader chuck schumer did fall cloture on the bill setting up a vote for it as early as saturday. Don't expect a lot of movement on the bill today. A number of senators will be flying out to wyoming to pay their respects to the late. Senator mike enzi one thing to note though. The cbo did release a report. That says the bipartisan infrastructure. Bill would add a net total of two hundred and fifty six billion to the deficit over ten years. You might remember a couple of days ago. We mentioned mitch. Mcconnell's problem with herschel walker running for senate in georgia well these after mcconnell's political flex complained about play books reporting that detailed. His concerns comes to cnn story adding to it. It turns out. Mcconnell is so worried about the former running back and trump favorite to coming the gop nominee in georgia that. He's seeking out other candidates. The report from cnn says that mcconnell quote has suggested to allies that former georgia senators. David perdue and kelly leffler should take another look at running again. According to three sources familiar with the matter mcconnell who was privately expressed his deep concerned with walkers. Potential candidacy is also meeting this week with another potential candidate. Former trump national security official letham sadler according to a source familiar with the situation. We've got to tidbits of our own to add not all republicans want leffler skeptic. Sier as martha mcsally two point zero. An ex member appointed by gop governor. Who couldn't get it done in an election. They say why poor tons of money into her as a candidate after her failure diverse time purdue has also been grappling with whether to run according to two gop sources while speaking with trump earlier this year about the possibility. The ex president went off on a tangent about the quote stolen election. And how much he despised. Mcconnell purdue confided to republicans that he didn't want to get caught in the middle of the drama and went run in twenty twenty two a few days ago though purdue who lost his seat. This past january showed up to the senate gop lunch. So maybe he's reconsidering it's been nearly eight months. And the biden administration does not have a single ambassador to a country confirmed now white house officials say that there's genuine concern. As of this week. Joe biden is trailing behind donald trump in terms of senate confirmed appointees and his nearly two hundred behind barack obama and george w bush giving biden the worst record of confirmed appointees in recent history according to a white house official divided administration is using the august recess as a mercker to pressure the senate to confirm a package of noncontroversial nominees. Before they take off and has been trying to negotiate with mitch mcconnell. The finger pointing from the white house isn't just republicans but also chuck schumer according to sources with the knowledge of the situation but with the bif and the budget dominating the agenda all the senate or time has been focused on passing major legislation. Leaving little time for confirmations shimmer has touted the fact that in the first six months the senate confirmed mortgages than any other administration in the past fifty years this all comes as biden has promised to reset us relationships around the world. But that's a bit of a tall task without a single ambassador in place and it's not just ambassadors nominee has yet to be named to lead the office of management and budget. The fda commissioner is also acting without a nominee submitted the powerful position of us attorney for the southern district of new york is still awaiting confirmation. Max dire president of partnership for public service which tracks dominations had this to say. Were missing critical leadership in our government. Yes there are people in acting roles and they can be amazing but they don't have the same political horizon. It's the substitute teacher phenomenon. You're there to keep the costs going but you're not there for the long haul right. Here's what's up in washington today. Starting with the white house in nine thirty am eastern president. Joe biden will receive the president's daily brief at ten thirty biden will speak about the july jobs report from the east room. at twelve. thirty biden will leave the white house for wilmington delaware at two fifteen biden vice president. Kamla harris will receive their weekly economic briefing. Virtually press secretary insoluble brief at one pm. The senate is in today. The house will meet at noon. In a pro forma session speaker. Nancy pelosi beholder. Weekly presser at ten. Am one last thing before we get out of here. The democratic establishment dealt a crushing blow to the progressive movement. This week in ohio where tensions bad blood and intra-party allegiances were on full display. What can we learn from a special congressional primary. That quickly became a national spectacle. And what does it say about the congressional black caucus one of the most powerful political forces in washington. Politicos alid nick. Performs the autopsy would play books. Ryan eliza check it out on playbook deep dive wherever you get your podcasts. For more new zealand's breaking in dc right now subscribe to the playbook newsletter that's at politico dot com slash playbook or music is composed brake brake master cylinder books editor. Is mike kappler. Ginny comment is politico. Senior for deserve audio. The executive producer and head of audio is irene. Nagoya cheap i'm rugunda volun- heavy great weekend. I'll see for sting monday morning. Twenty twenty one is the twenty-fifth anniversary of the telecommunications act of nineteen ninety six the last comprehensive update to internet regulation. The internet has experienced more than a few updates since nineteen ninety-six but internet regulations have not. 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Floridaman exposes his balls while mattress shopping. Floridaman denied his attempt to join ISIS.

Weird AF News

21:04 min | 9 months ago

Floridaman exposes his balls while mattress shopping. Floridaman denied his attempt to join ISIS.

"A florida man has been charged with trying to join isis. A florida man with the state of florida tattooed in the middle of his forehead was arrested after calling. Nine one one for a ride home. A florida man in scuba goggles and a scuba suit was charged with dui after crashing. His car another florida man has been accused of exposing himself to a saleswoman while mattress. Shopping are the weird stories for friday and they all come from. Yes you guessed it. You know it. The state of florida because on weird af news on fridays. We only do weird news from the state of florida. That's why we call it florida friday. I'm so glad you're here. Jones e. the host of weird af news. Let's get into these weird florida stories. Those bizarre stories. You hear about all the time that seemed to only happen here in florida. I know this stuff up. It is just one of the many wacky news stories out of florida. Does the sunshine state consistently produce such strange news. What accounts for all this bizarre news. The weather is it. The people report is for the crazy story. A florida man has been charged with trying to join isis. Oh yeah that is a former florida. Resonant has been returned to the us after travelling to turkey and attempting to join the islamic state group. They turned them down. Apparently the this is isis reputation to uphold. We're not going to allow floridian to enter our ranks. Okay what do you think this is. We're we're very organized. Upstanding or okay. You're not going to bring us down with your florida. Ways sir the. Us attorney's office in gainesville. Florida announced that muhammed fattest suliman age thirty-three a. Us citizen has been charged with attempting to provide material support for a designated foreign terrorist organization. If convicted he faces up to twenty years in prison. That's pretty steep for trying to join a terrorist organization It says you're attempting to provide material support. I don't know. I'm kind of curious about what that phrase could mean material support. That could be like if you sent them laptops or something i. He's offering his own support. He's like hey. Ads i to i to help out here. I've done some shit and florida do you. Do you need someone who knows how to hold a gator's mouth shut and cook up some meth. I mean what are you guys doing over here. I'm ready to live in a cave and shine a weapon. Terrorists here's a quote from the us attorney for the northern district of florida. They're very serious about not tolerating flurry who want to join isis or any terrorist organization despite living in a state that is really one giant terrorist organization florida. Okay here we go. Let me keep a straight face terrorists and would be. Terrorists need to understand that. No resource will be spared when it comes to protect us citizens and prosecute those who seek to provide material support to designated foreign terrorist organizations. That's right again. They use material support According to the criminal complaint suman booked a one way flight from orlando to alexandria egypt with stops in chicago and stumbled turkey rather than travelling on to egypt. Sulaiman paid cash for a one way airline ticket to the turkish slash syrian border officials say sulaiman was arrested by turkish authorities and accused of illegally crossing into the country of syria. A search of woman's emails revealed attachments that contained various files that consisted of messages calling for jihad. A message seeking comment from sudan's attorney wasn't immediately returned. Okay so they caught him trying to cross the border and then they found with audiophiles talking about you know she had. I'm sure there was some other just suspicious stuff on his phone and laptop when you're trying to join a terrorist organization. Your phone's going to be filled with applications and whatnot. They wanna do background checks. I'd imagine this probably some who knows what text messages between you and some dudes in a cave. Well you know you really. Can't the put down a florida man for trying to make something of himself. You know the guys got goals you know. Most floridians don't and this guy is goal was sophisticated. It had a lot of complicated plans involved to make it. Work crossing borders by implanting egypt and shit. That can't be cheap. Yeah so you gotta give them credit for trying at least and you certainly gotta give it. Give credit to foreign countries that recognize that when you encounter a floridian you need to definitely strip. Search them because they're probably up to no good a florida man with florida tattooed on his forehead was arrested after calling nine one one for a ride home. He's ahead of the curve. This florida man. A florida man with a tattoo of the state of florida on his forehead was arrested after twice calling nine one one for a ride home. Police say there is a photo of this guy named matthew letham age. Twenty two is please. Google florida man. Florida tattoo on forehead or just florida tattoo on forehead. This should come up. Maybe just florida tattoo will come up the state of florida in the center of his forehead but no other tattoos that you can see. It's very strange. I don't know if he lost a bed or he's just. He's just very proud of his roots. Really trying to represent florida. Maybe he was like. I'm going to be the ultimate florida man. Yeah tattoo it in my head. I mean even a florida tattoo. Artists would have been like are you. Sure ma'am the state of florida in your forehead. Are you shore man okay. So this guy's matthew leave him as age twenty two. He made his first call to nine one. One four twenty. Am in north west tampa according to the criminal complaint a cop offered to call eight the metaxas. Oh that's quite lovely. Very nice and cooperative of the police to offer a drunk man whose improperly called calling nine one one. I mean he's already breaking the law by calling nine one one to do this but yet the police were nice enough to be like you know what we're going to let this one slide. Because they couldn't see what he looked like on the on the phone. I mean i highly doubt this was a facetime call Had they been able to see what he looks like. They would've not called him a taxi. They would've went and picked him up because definitely a man with the state of florida tattooed on their head has drugs in their pocket and possibly up there but So the police offered to call a taxi instead but he declined because he says he had no money then cops say that he wandered down the road and tried to call nine one one as a free taxi service again. This time the officers arrested him. They searched him and they found some drugs on him. And it wasn't what i expected. This was only a small amount of marijuana. Which i mean you wouldn't have thought that he would only have marijuana on him now. I mean it's probably because he smoked the other drugs. I'd imagine the guy's got a state of florida tattoo on his head. He's got much stronger chemicals than marijuana usually in his presence is my guest. Letham was charged with two misdemeanors. Misuse of nine one. One in possession of marijuana. He was released after posting three hundred dollar bond. That's not enough if a guy's put into your prison and he's got a florida tattoo in the center of his head. You've got to that bond. It can't be just three hundred dollars guys. 'cause this guy shouldn't be out mingling among the rest of the citizens with a tattoo of florida in the center of his head. He's just good. He's going to be. You can see the future when you just see his face. You must google this. You must florida tattoo in the forehead. Just un believable. A man in scuba gear was arrested for dui. This point gorda. Florida punta gorda. That sounds lovely. Sounds like they can make amazing burritos in punta gorda. A man was arrested on suspicion of driving under that thing called influence in southwest florida after deputies found him walking near a crashed vehicle with scuba goggles and a scuba hood. That is gotta to be a strange scene to come upon a crashed vehicle and then a man walking around in scuba gear just from the neck up. What's the name of this maniac. John clayton kagan age. Twenty eight was arrested on charges of dui alcohol or drugs and dui damage to property. According to the county sheriff's office online booking records according to the deputies kagi was detained after crashing his vehicle in that lovely place called punta gorda deputies observed this guy keggi walking near the crash site with with scuba goggles and scuba hood. I assume that's the the thing you pull over your head. But that's it no other scuba gear. Authorities had seen scuba suit and what appeared to be twisted tea cans in the car which was abandoned with. Its airbags deployed. I love this this guy. I'm wondering if he was driving with the scuba goggles on and maybe that's why he crashed. Nah nah it was probably the alcohol. The maybe this guy just likes to give wasted put on his scuba gear drive around town. That could be a thing that he does there he goes again. This guy larry and punta gorda. I don't know he likes to drink a bunch of booze and then put a scuba gear on and drive around. It's a miracle he hasn't crashed there. He goes okay. There he goes. Oh he's on the ground. He thinks he's swimming while he's really drunk. Khakis blood alcohol level was reported. Guess what it was reported as guys. I'm gonna tell you right now. The the level in florida for impaired driving otherwise known as the level is point. Zero one eight. Can you guess what khakis blood alcohol level was. School boo boo dean down doomed. Point one eight. You are absolutely right. He was way over the limit Yes he was at the put on your scuba gear that you have in your trunk alcohol level at that point and if you think that's something you should see him drop acid and where his astronaut outfit you like podcasts. You're listening to my podcast. Maybe thought yourself. I'd like to make a podcast too difficult. No not with anchor. Anchor has free creation tools. That allow you to record. And edit your podcast from your phone your computer anchored distributor podcast to apple spotify stitcher and more they have advertising integration. So you can even make a little money off your podcast everything you need to make a podcast in one place. Download the free anchor app or go to anchor dot fm to get started and good luck with your podcast. Good luck with your creation. Good luck with your life man. A florida man is accused of exposing himself to a saleswoman while shopping for a mattress. A seventy five year. Old florida man. Seventy five year old frisky. Florida man has been charged with exposing himself to a sales. Associate while looking at mattresses at the sleep number store in salem salem florida i used to live in salem mass. A place that is near and dear to my heart eric. Jacobs of fort myers was indicted on one felony count of indecent exposure and lewdness for the indecent which allegedly occurred inside a sleep number store at the mall at rockingham park. Oh hold on a second this. This is salem new hampshire. How it doesn't say that. He's a florida man. But he was up in. Salem new hampshire doing this. 'cause i remember the mall at rockingham park. I used to go there as a kid. It was the coolest mall around I'm sure they have. Cooler malls do eat people even go to malls anymore. I feel like that's not happening. The seventy five year. Old florida man. What was he doing up there. Well obviously trying to find somebody to touch his genitals. He's thinking to himself. Where where could i get someone to touch my genitals. Oh yeah the sales people mattress stores. They'll fall for this. All i can do is show my genitals and asked if you'd like to try it out with me. This is sure to work. And if it doesn't. I'm seventy five years old. I'll just say hey i'm an old man. I don't know what i'm doing. I expose myself sometimes. what can i do. I'm an old man. Let me tell you something. You're you're way far from florida. Mr eric jacobson okay. Maybe this no one will bat an eye in florida if you show your genitalia at a mattress store but in new hampshire. This is gonna make headline news now. According to these. Salem new hampshire police affidavit the female sales associate told investigators that mr jacobs came into the store looking for a mattress. Here's a quote from the officer. During the conversations jacobs would climb in and out of beds when jacobs did this. He would slowly in exaggerating spread. Open legs jacobs was reportedly wearing very short running shorts and no underwear allegedly exposing his genitals while making these legs spreading movements on the mattress in front of the sales pitch. This was his plan. You know if. I wear short shorts. And then i asked them if they wouldn't mind if i roll around on the mattress a little bit and you know give it the old tryout next thing you know they're going to see my you know what's and once the lady see what i'm rocking down there. If this guy is seventy five years old. So i'm guessing that as he rolled around on the bed his balls just kind of slipped all the way down to his kneecaps right. I'm sorry guys who are over seventy but we know the situation down there okay. It's not pretty. It's not pretty. What's going on down there. You need a little bit of a lifting tuck now. The police asked this saleswoman to elaborate on her description of the movements that mr jacobs was engaging in on the mattress and she explained that mr jacobs would quote pick his leg up and lift his knee high and spread his legs open to get in and out of the bed. The store worker also told the police that she felt uncomfortable during this interaction. Yeah no shit. You felt uncomfortable. It was a seventy five year old set of balls in front of your face. You're just trying to sell matches. This guy's rolling around a jacobs. Did this behavior several times during their interaction. The police say jacobs asked what the best number for sex was of the bed because they have sleep. Number's yeah what's the best sleep number for sex. What do you think. would you be doing it with me about it. Hey i'm seventy five. But i can still make it work lady once you try and roll around on his bed with me. Are we in florida. No sir. I don't know how you got up into new hampshire. Jacobs told the police that he was at the store shopping for a mattress for his. Rv it all comes full circle. This guy's trying to buy matches of course he lives in an rv. And he's in florida. And you wanna be in new hampshire in february january. Because it's just a lovely up there just inundated with snow in your rv. Are you stupid jacobs. This is the worst time to be in new hampshire. Wow what a dummy. He's clearly running from the law. Check his forehead for a tattoo of florida. Mr jacobs also stated he lived in florida would be heading home the next morning following a going away party thrown by his family. The is really pleased that you're gonna leave like finally we don't have to see his balls anymore. Can you believe this short-sea war. Did you see what he were at christmas with those short shorts. wow according to the authorities. The indictment was elevated to a felony on this character because he was previously convicted of open and gross lewdness for some similar conduct in concord massachusetts in nineteen ninety-three. This guy's been showing his balls for twenty years at an age where we do not want to see your balls sir. Thanks again for being here for an episode of weird news. A florida friday episode specifically. And thank you for sending me florida articles. Those that did. I got a lot of them. They were great. It was difficult to choose. Four of them But i think we got the good ones in there I got a quick announcements This is this'll be the last time that you can get the free tales of florida comic book if you join the patriot. Just want to make this announcement. One more time. tales of florida features the story of our new favorite superhero florida man. Who's solving crimes. All across state with his With his fellow superheroes So it's pretty funny. It involves florida man stories but also some great artwork and some pretty cool superheroes Based out of florida you can imagine the tropes and the themes so. Yeah if you enjoy weird. Florida news and florida men stories. You might really enjoy tales of florida and You get a free free. First edition by joining the patriot. Patriotic dot com slash weird af news or going to wear day of news dot com and joining the patriots there. In addition you can By the comic book from tidal page comics They have a facebook page with all the information. Just look up. The title page comics tales of florida. And i have a feeling this series is going to be great. It's got some things that i really which is a great artwork and humor in comic books like funny comic books. This this is right up my alley so check that up and joined the patriot to get a free dose of it to check it out as well i got. I got a nice email from april. Who is the niece of our beloved friend. james from texas. Who recently passed away as you guys know on the show April reached out to me with a nice email. She wrote hey jones. I just wanted to reach out and tell you. Thank you so much. My uncle james really enjoyed your jokes and you made his life one hundred times happier. He died very unexpectedly and he didn't and he didn't get out much. He had c. p. and he looked forward to your podcast. So thank you. It makes my heart. Happy that he had you to help him laugh when he had very rough much love. April and the thank you so much apron of april listens to this show at all but I wanna give it. Thanks to april for reaching out that that was a very lovely email and n and made me so happy to know that you know weird. News brought james so much joy in his life especially during rough time Those are the kind of stories and experiences that That i really do this. Podcast for You know i i. I don't really make much money at all in a closet. Like what is there to get out of this. I'll tell you what there is to get out of this for me. It's to know that people are enjoying this. Like i'm bringing value to their lives on bringing joy to their lives. I'm maybe i'm just even just a simple distraction from their lives That is enough for me to know that. What i'm doing is is useful in the world and to keep doing it so yeah and when i get an email like this it just reinforces that so. Thank you april for that You didn't have to send me that email. I'm glad that you did them What else did i wanna say Yeah that's about it Mentioned the patron got. We hit up that email. Oh yeah one more thing just want to wish you guys are happy. Super bowl weekend Super bowl weekend is always a big deal in my life. Because i'm such a sports fan specifically such football fan. I'm a big patriots fan as many of you know being from new england and You know my team is in it. But tom brady is. And he's somebody that has brought a lot of joy to my life and so Of course. I'm pulling for. Tom brady to win this weekend. but If i would ask me personally who do. I think when i believe the chiefs will win because i believe their team is superior But i will be pulling for tom. Brady and I hope you guys are able to have some sort of nice super bowl experience With some friends or family in a safe way I don't know exactly what i'll be doing after work. Most of the day But i get out right before the super bowl starts so i have to come up with a plan. Maybe find a place to watch near work. I don't know maybe. I'll just bring my laptop. I don't know what i'm gonna do but figure it out. Meanwhile i hope you guys enjoy yourselves. Please be safe hope. You enjoyed the florida. friday stories. Have a nice weekend and we'll see on monday.

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#34 Evaluate Your Business

Sweet Buzz - Scaling a Digital B2B Business With Dancho Dimkov

14:12 min | 2 weeks ago

#34 Evaluate Your Business

"Hello future listener and welcome to the best house. The future going the make it. If you're listening to this. I have to believe a main and you wonder how did well but because the comments journey the ups and downs and all the hard lessons learnt so without further. Ado let me present you the star of the podcast drum roll please. A week me. My name is dan and this is the story of how i became a millionaire or at least i hope so so the first point was that we we the re evaluating myself on the foot level. I figure out some new stuff but then the second topic was actually reevaluating myself on the business level and this is where it gets complicated guys. You know what a think that have minded issue and you know all the felton's serving well i can help you with the mindset. People are saying well. What is that i realized that. For for the mindset. There's something that needs to happen because a pricing want does dopey comprising can help people determine the prices the value and on a tree level. So i done for you. Hold the actually determine how much you should charge for. I mean don't get me wrong. People can compare your competitor sensing but you know what hold you valley service. I mean i. I have a man has been big ground. Is it caused by us. Applause by margin. Or maybe you're actually looking at value proposition. How much Bay surprising based on that but at the end of the day we deduct for you have seen obstacle because people want results. Because i'm gonna be for decent. I want to get this kind of results right while they should be asking for results. Because that's what the agency should do for you but then is starting to get some shady in dishes where my head's became. Let's talk about consultant. You guys your consultants ho. How much do charge in. How'd you action determine your pricing. I mean what a minded consulting it could be fifty euros. It could be five thousand euros or actually had the opportunity to talk with nine thousand euros twenty thousand years while so was the difference. Is the nine thousand new better than the fife. While here's funded part. How would you you have to try to have to experience and then decide so while actually the value of the service that you're offering it doesn't really matter compared to the people are willing to pay. Because if i want to pay ten thousand euros for consulting while who choose not gonna choose the fifty thousand fifty euros because that would be like okay. They're not ready for me so our that she look at ten thousand. So what if the fifth years has actually better advice for me. Fifty dollars so here is my confusion. How consultants connect you to the pricing. I mean whether it's minded whether it's operation whether it's digits facilitation. But don't get me wrong. I mean how people determine their value. Especially if it's not done for you that we are clear. But in the assaulting. I can give you an advisor. Could bring you five. Ten twenty million. How much that would cost or otherwise i can give you advisor can give you thousand-year-old but how would you know how much my advice would be voted and hurace where. I think that the competition comes when it comes to consulting a consultant the to charge you. Twenty euros or consultant. Who charge two hundred euros or our or a consultant that which are two thousand euros. I think that there are two levels here. One is first their expertise. Don't get me wrong. I the want to pay twenty two year old five thousand years for consulting cower but on the other hand is how much are you committed to the job and this is something that i've just realized a from personal experience i actually had a consulting our academy which was two thousand euros and don't get the wrong guy. Found letham byron bay or something and they goes for free on the other hand ahead. Another two thousand key Academy but the head the bay five hundred dollars now the free one. It took me two years. And i'm still at week one on the one that i'd be five hundred. It took me three weeks to complete the whole eight weeks. I can actually cancel in stopping the rest of it so when you look at like that well. It's not how much you charge is actually how much you want people to be committed because if you charge twenty dollars for for course people will show up but maybe they want but on the other hand if you charge five thousand euros for a course believing people show up and we'll bischel attention. Maybe this is the second part. Because how do you determine your value. And i think it's two level. I is how much you're shooting that you're worth which of course we're from sedonia. We have some believe that we're worth less but if wanting is how much you're worth the other thing is how people will behave depending on the price or being and that's what i wanted to to be the second topic unsure because you know what. Take me for example. I had more expensive course which i got it for free and identity and i got a less expensive course which have been something and i finish it very creaky so think about your clients. There will always be a group of people that want to get free of charge and people that are willing to pay but really this godly. Dinky helped me here. i mean what was the scenario. Let me start with me. I'm doing consulting. So i'm gonna do. What hundred euro fifty euro consulting our per hour will get donkey wrong but copywriters charge fifth years per hours of id consultants charge hundred years or more power. So wait a minute. If i want to give you further vela Start two hundred five hundred dollars per hour but was the difference if people now. Let's go on the other side. If someone pays twenty euros per hour for consulting they might not even show up. Sorry i'm busy. I don't. I don't respect you between a charge. Five hundred years per hour map people come ready prepared with some pres and they will come every moment of the because they're being five hundred so let's put the as a consultant whether i charge twenty or five hundred doesn't it's my same knowledge. The whole thing is that help people are prepared to listen to you. And when you're charging five hundred years per are you gonna really want to help people to succeed. It's not just like add. These issue like meant. I have three clients. I'll have a lot. I'm going to do everything that can help them. And the second part was training. It's exactly the same thing could training. So don't get me wrong. The kill trainings. They're frittering There is there is a up spoiled. The read so many drinks for free and people aren't finished you can guess why because he's for free. There are some slightly cheaper Trainings ten dollars fifteen dollars. That's year me. You know you can see a lot of strings. One hour to five denny doesn't matter it's Than fifteen twenty dollars per hour. Now let me take you to the different extreme. There are two thousand dollars trainings. I'm in consulting dot com with tim over since two thousand so there are guys charge. Twenty guys two thousand. So what's the difference is the length. Of course nobody wants to link. If you can of the problem in in fifty minutes why would you spend sixty hours in learning but on the other hand you don't that's how you choose to buy a training. If you see twenty minutes it would or a now. It'll partic- value Two dollars five ten twenty. Well let's take sam but there is the shake up academy that seven and a half grant and day are like sixty seventy hours but at the end of the hope people choose. What is the value of a training is ten dollars a hundred dollars five hundred dollars or two thousand and here my second confusion because those you the first one was on a personal level but this on the second one was that actually people cannot know what they're getting until the full and just if you consider about that dennis just actually about marketing because if your position yourself as ten thousand euros training people that in that range will say you will actually Pay if you position yourself as a dental than dollars training while actually different as you're gonna get different volume but adapt of this hot trainer will determine hamas they're worth. I didn't found the answer guys. There's no answer. I just realized that there is a correlation of how long you're training kit with surprising because if you have sixty hours training there's not a lot of people are gonna finish it but the yellow hand. I've realized that the more lengthy the training is the more expensive which is weird. Why would actually people be more just to spend more hours. I'm really interested in this topic because you know guys. I'm starting the the academy everything can ahead to do my research. So what the realized. Is this my summary now with the done for you. There is a specific pricing that can be compared against other competitors. When it comes to consultants how can you evaluate the minded consultants or or Brand consultant or or anything. So it's really how much you think you're worth it and it's not so much you're think awarded but actually how much you're think you're worded how much you think you can sell yourself and is sinful trainings of just bait two hundred dollars for a very stupid training. I'm not gonna tell which wanted this is gonna be mad thing for me. But two hundred dollars training. Four thirty- lessons and i was like okay. Let's look at the lessons and that was it. I felt it was like lincoln dot leadership post the tour just transferred into adolescence. Novado no. pdf's no nothing. They were just like a social media boss combined into one lesson and there were two hundred years and for me. It's like while this is two hundred. I should charge fifty thousand years because it's silly but on the other hand that guy has a good credibility so he can charge for it and at the end of the day you should determine your value and by vilis. It's not just hourly rate but tried to compare because i'm from macedonia whenever i'm to comprising where always like well. Five thousand euros is a lot of money. Twenty thousand fifty thousand euros of money. But don't get me wrong guys. Try not to put yourself into the mindset of of our mentality Tried to position ourselves on the value that we provide a. I see the Gut the bit longer but guys. I really think this important. It's not how you value yourself. But they actually call your clients value. And if you don't listen to that than your undervaluing yourself guys that's all freight have a great day and talk to you soon. So did you enjoy the podcast. Feel free to subscribe to be notified. Whenever i post a new app is. Do you know a friend. That could benefit from this podcast. Well share it with them and with the rest of the world. I would really appreciate it. Have a great day and talk to you soon.

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George Hartley CEO and Co-Founder of Smartrmail, Machine Learning Mail

QA Selling Online

30:35 min | 1 year ago

George Hartley CEO and Co-Founder of Smartrmail, Machine Learning Mail

"Welcome QNA. Selling online with answers to questions about creating an online empire promoting products or building brand your host private-label ecommerce entrepreneur who in a more. Welcome back my friends today, we have with this the seal and the CO founder of smarter. Mail. A tool that helps ecommerce stores sent better email marketing using machine learning to personalize email. This is fantastic machine learning. So we have with us today the CEO like I said George, Hartley George hosmer going. Great Quin thanks for having me on. The budget here. Really fascinated to find out what this machine learning it is but I mean before we get there. George mentioned that you're the CEO and the Co but you were also the CO founder of one of the biggest air was I. Guess Australia's biggest marketplace bootham calm the a you are. You still connected to that business? Area. I still have my brother who I co-founded Letham with he runs it. and. You know I'm pretty close to the team here a lot of them are based in Melbourne we workout at the same office and I still work on the product with them a little bit too. I. Love It. And Yeah like you said, it's strays largest online marketplace. It's a place for artists to sell their out. Nice wooded what exactly a? Paint something at home and enlisted there. Yeah exactly. What it's It's a way for us. Out of sweater, the getting into it or career artists, Anish, their own create in individual. Never, we obviously connect. Over at at collectors ministry to to. To Visual Odyssey and help them sort of exhibited and. It's incredible. You don't let anybody just random people come in and start selling on your platform if it's not art like, yeah, we met we met what they're uploading it has to be. Every sort of that can be hung. but. It is it is an open platform. We started it back in two thousand twelve also failed musician. Designer and. I want to do something in music I couldn't see a way to improve upon soundcloud. So we thought. Like soundcloud but for up so that's how we got started. Wow and then so tell me then how do you go from a failed musician? To this success? That is smarter mail. And Tell me how how did you get there how the disturbed? Celek has said backing twenty twelve my brother it and other CO founder Phil. We have we got going. With blue. And You were you had other jobs at the time. Said we're doing it in spare time and bootstrapping it. I guess. So he took a bit longer than than a traditional static rises save money. When prices go And along the way, we actually bought and sold a couple of little businesses on the side of. The female places where he can kind of live by websites grow the. So we kind of cut out taste of little bitch. In. General Marketing Hustle by learning it ourselves with doing it. And I was back at UNI studying computer science as well, and we kind of. As a marketing final this system for blue them. To with emails. And a problem at the time was a K- we email was really important channel to. Sherry in general and people who had come at look for it and I might add some stuff to favorites. but then using third party emailing systems went leading us send targeted content. Someone is common that left three outlets like why can't we recommend products Faisal net not based on the fact that they sitting in city. some third party products kind of. Sort of dominated had segments. But especially, with that, you know it's very, very personal what you lack spiced data. So we built some crudes distant, the emails that UC started, and it worked really well as a as a as a retention in conversion funnel. Too. And that Kinda gave of the the audience for. Like this and so Yeah Feeling I. Want, why can't we build a tool that plugs into any eight communists tool that lets them use the data for this type of automated email marketing and potentially the top spot. And so that was a dentist the idea and you know we thought Oh we have done this. Once you know we we know how to approach this might take three or four months and then low behold seventeen months. Later we have an Emmy A. which launched and We, don't shop a FI and become. This is like a plugin for those become expecting twenty sixteen. Nice and up I see that you guys have this a growth month-to-month ten percent. That's insane growth. That's. Really good numbers does it like a constant ten percents been? Keeping up. And that. So unthinking having sort of now we've done this sector still involved in the fist. Growth is lump e why I know some people. I know there there are some people out there who have like a really nice every month. I sent, you can set your watch by by the number. From experiencing, chatting with other. Other folks. It. It's always a bit lumpy and and. You know this is a big element of luck in. In this stuff like for example covid. When that happened we thought Dan m what what CACTUS, league cooks, and then very quickly realized Off Serve as a crushing, because of how much extra like be really. Upset coming. Yeah it was it was insane and so that new covid actually tended to a big spot and you country thinks it's completely out of Control all you can do is try Trying to put a framework around testing and just base as united. As I guess scientific TV about it as we can because like what what what we found is. A Wanting, three one in floor things you think we're actually what and it's weighing want one of those things actually does. Trick. Your. You get fifteen percent month a month, and then next month consent. So yet in each champion and a lot of its lack that you can kind of Prejean lack by increasing the right that which you you channel tests. Executive, the retention is there the month month retention of your customers? Good. So like an ugly secret upstate, he's a commerce platforms is that they have pretty high. you know you won't be able to find a published number anyway from year you become as Magenta shop five. These guys aren't gonNA. Go out and say they have eight cent monthly Chen. But the have hodgin. I can tell you it's around that number depending on the platform stummer bit lower. So that's. SMART, amount we on top with these platforms. So that's actually a baseline of what we're dealing with. So to even get below absent month Lamont, Chin we have to work really hard and make sure where if it says in customers. Even then because Chen reason smile is still shutting down going out of business and you just can't do a thing about that. but yeah Sort of average length of customary is almost eighteen months. So that's pretty good I think. The spacefaring. Perfect now here's one of the things I've always wanted to know. As a email service provider. Are you responsible for let's say I create an account and I'm a big time spam spanner and Is what I'm doing going to influence your Ip's or could it be bad for you guys. It is We have a team working on security and If we let a spam Iran they can. been a sending off as they can US ending demands it is very much on us to not let that happen. And so we have a whole bunch of systems that we built and a lot of monitoring and paper on a to yet to. Stop that happening. Yet because it ultimately impacts impacts up the customers as well. Gotcha Gotcha I was wanted. To know that. Because having there's So many people out there that could destroy Ip's really quickly with the stuff they do and. Here's another one that will get into the business of it right away. But when somebody reports email for span. Does it go. Let's say you are the provider visit. GonNa. Is it GonNa you something say, Hey, this quinn guy keeps sending spam. Not over the time no nope we rely on the Fed potty inboxes to basically a that thought of back and a bunch of them don't. Some of them too. So yeah, it doesn't always come back to us if someone has sight during the G Madelyn box that have stanmore an. Fat Doesn't always get. But We have otherwise as well. So and subscribe screen with us once. You get to it says, thank you subscribe subscribed. It'll success what was the reason and then we can measure they people. And obviously, there's all sorts of other stop around like bounce rights. engagement rights when you send things like that. Gotcha. So George A. No one of the things that every email market wants is big open rates and big click rates and it's hard these days with the amount of spend that's out there. It's hard to have a perfect subject that's going to get people to Click on. So can you give us some tips that you know what is working today? In twenty twenty. It's funny. A lot of it actually comes down to the the. Soft skills like you'll content writing and your ability to. To deliver on your brand expectations is we it's it's it's not like. It's not like I could say send at ten am on Tuesday and us. One EMOJI subject line and you'll get like three percent kick up. The variation in in Phnom engagement rights. Easing. Extreme. ECOMMERCE. And it is. Very. Very much about Yeah. The the sort of. The yet copywriting being on brand understanding your audience may consistent with. Your mailing. So if you set the expectations that you're gonNA email every four not you know stick to yet all those sorts of things actually add up to two good engagement over. consistently high near that twenty, five steady within rights. As a place to the people who get the full five percent and they just do the opposite of that stuff's. The big one that obviously he's keeping like touching, keeping a cleanest and sort of it I remember even when waste out before we ran an email company, we of these people. Who wanted to hear about out and they had been six months we should have continued to email to to them because we didn't know what we're doing and we thought maybe eventually that. That's really not the going rate. The inbox provide is not and I can see if you're engaging rights dropping off new steel emailing someone who has an email out of nine months, you should really clean them off your list. 'cause really email engagement is like a virtuous cycle as well. It like I said Gee male. You know. If, you have decent engagement on your. On your mailing that you send regularly. They're actually going prioritizing boxing. And that kind of improves itself and also the opposite. So. It's Donate to cleanliest especially as you grow and start running. Nice. So when you you mentioned the copyrighting, of course, we know very important. Now have you experienced with a well, let me explain this question I follow a lot of marketers, some of them. Didn't well, no names out there and then I subscribe to their list. So so I can see what they're doing. What he knows. They said in sometimes I get an email that has three thousand characters. And my reaction is high man. I am not gonna read this I delete delete that now. Because I see them doing it I wonder it has to work for somebody so in your experience. Woodworks is the email that has two lines go straight to the point or the full page two, thousand character one. It's actually. Both can work. So again, it's like exceeding expectations there certainly some content especially like focused around content People might generally not using small amount because way very economists focus but some of this content the really long-form emails they. From talking to them. They actually can get amazing agent right on on like a three thousand, hundred pace and it's it's people who who sort of want to hear from memory, invest the time and energy to rate it In the ECOMMERCE. Space. Clean, a simpler product focused at chilly works. They obviously exceptions especially the some brands on us who who really have like a a really unique voice I guess in so. They have more sort of lack with rich content, heavy emails, products, demands, and. I get amazing gadget rights but in general. For us I like at highest performing email Tut. Is. Incredibly simple the product recommendation email, and when I say performing. I. Mean Actually Revenue Per Mail is the highest across the was not using this product recommendation emails that we built and simple. Tell they literally subject line you can add some content at the top if you want but they just products recommended for you based on what you've had cataract. And yet bank on if you're talking about optimizing for revenue by a bus father, the best emails touch one. Gotcha. Now Smarter Mail and correct me if I'm pronouncing it. Wrong. Smarter Smarter. Best. Friend. Is it possible or will it ever be possible? It can connect to Walmart. because. I- selling on Amazon. For example, there are a lot of service providers that connect through to my Amazon account and I can automatically send emails when somebody buys something or when it gets delivered. But for Walmart I don't have any service to do this. Any idea if is yours. will or Willoughby able in the future do this? Maybe It sounds like a feature request. I'm. At Green, we haven't actually scoped out on a walnut connection. So I don't know unless I had a look at what data they can provide potentially if basically if we can get all the data and that's your product, your sales in your customer daughter I'm going to lead to smart man Yeah. We we couldn't be as integration. Yeah just need a little bit yet. That's you know we we adding. Platforms at the moment, we had a team doing that. and. Maybe. Gotcha got just there you go. It will be a feature request. So George then Sherifi wordpress will commerce and all that I can just. Basically double your APP or is it is it already in the store officially for example, for chocolate? Yet it's it's in those marketplace at marketplace's on the platform. So in John Woo calmest sold shopper five or become. you'd go to. The APP stores, and you can find it as as net and one clicking still which is Really, that was wholly fuss going forward. He's like we want to give. smoller economists does the power of saying of Amazon. Who have a team doing this machine learning automations with we want to give them is kind of power plug it. So. It's GONNA set out and so on those platforms. Click. Can you explain what exactly is like a winner? What machine learning is but what exactly is going to be doing with email does it learn with open rates in are not that what it is? It's not That's not yet. What it does is it lets you get select automatic content in your mouse. So you can have different types of I. Guess You Call Them Smart looks in your emails. And you can set these off his automatic emails. So you might want to say send out a regular product recommendation email. That goes to all of your previous customers that says. Hey George we know you likely stay you bought from us. He's a couple that from on newstalk that we could. And what we do in the background is we just take in all of that customer data that we have about aging digital person on your list, and we calculate the most recommended products in order and We continually check flight that as they come back to your store and and sort of get more, click out an on page data. And you can set up automations you can use them in you only and just send basically personalize content at at like a box. Man, that is exciting super sample I can go to my email and say okay I, want you to every six days send the list of. This week's most Seoul products for example, is that one of the features? Wow. Okay, and then okay These are the ones that are in sale order of bigger discount and it also keeps a history of what George Block from me for example so allow. So then this is impressive. So cool 'cause then you know that George bought a coffee Mug and he bought also the coffee t shirt. Would store that that this George Guy is coffee lover. So send them things that are tagged with coughing. It doesn't run on tags. It actually runs on similar products in similar people. So we feed that data yet to stack in it, sort of comes back with people who bought that t shirt also seemed to like these products and people like, George, into by these things that takes mix of that and says, he has some recommendations for him. and you can include those but SORTA smart products since not flux union at your abandoned cots as well. Another sorts today now. So, if you know someone, you have some data on someone and they come back to the store and they abandoned that coffee mug. you send them automatic email steady says, hey. Mug. Or people say like these are the few things as well So it just helps you we've Genuinely helps we've your revenue from email because sending relevant stuff he's always going to get more clicks and eventually missiles if yes, that's absolutely true. Beautiful that it's so easy to do these things. This I mean this would have been near impossible just few years ago to do such things. Tell me something George. How do you grow email lists? Actually. Me Tell you something before you reveal your secrets If you if you will reveal your secrets there's an experience that I had recently with a big marketing company. It's a name that almost everybody else knows. and. They wanted to create an email is for Amazon sellers. So, they are they build software rather in softer tech people and they created a tool fram on sellers. It put it out there for free there's no strings attached. You don't even need to enter your credit card. The tool is free and I'm to actually pretty good. So why would you make it free while we have every sellers e Melo there and that is so is and of course, now they're going to lunch all the tools. They already have the emails to market to them. So does just one way but of course, I wanNa know your ways if you're willing to share with us. Show show show up I'm sorry. I guess the first thing when when we talk about growing your email list. And a side is to our stores as well is Stopped by measuring what your current growth ans So it's really important to Kinda get a baseline of how much you're growing every month. And Suzy measuring it Kay. Cool. We can try some parents can do some stuff to try and prove that if going full cinema. Awesome that's naturally happening. Let's let's try some stuff. It's a number one major. And then what obviously, the really. easiest. Most obvious thing is. Make. Sure you're running on page psalms rampage. A lot of paypal. A Lotta people on air about it it's with trying to look at your balance if not look bounce right when you start running it, make sure that doesn't change too much right showing up using people off. that's the easiest. You know number one lowest hanging, run a pop up and we the pop up make sure you're getting paid for some sort of value. Something why they're going to give You Matt Email address, and if you're going to be so aggressive, don't run on immediately put on a on a time delay or click today or whatever. But. Definitely collect on page and especially in any comments like it's funny some. Stores to doing it you know the that you might be paying for traffic and it's been a little time getting trafficking and really really really really good store. They might have a one percent conversion, right? Right and so obviously ninety nine. Out of one hundred people come to you so in bouncing. if you if you're running pop up and it's Performing decently, you might capture six percent of that traffic into your email final, which you know depending on how good your family's in or the risk you can call it a double triple quadruple, your conversion, right just having up and. So yeah. Kissed that POPs run them Then the US as A. Abated Bay Company we do a lot of work to grow imail Great how we collect email addresses Not as relevant a comments but. But Yeah we do a lot of partnership stocks so we will pair up with similar APSO paper in the space. So platforms content together run contests together. And Click they males cinema. right now, we're actually with doing a new initiative way away coming out with a black Friday hub to recover this. So it's our APPs model in a bunch of other apps like a specific pop up APP and. God's who took push notifications. A whole bunch of these economists at in space will putting together on a big landing page and revenues across promoted. And on that page will will Running your government at discounts for these APPs and yet collect eight miles So we we we put a lot of effort into sort of those. Collapsed and whatnot and wave in house and things like that as well. Is it harder get emails? For B. Two B. Than it is to be to see. Is it harder? Because, you're probably dealing with ECOMMERCE companies mark other marketers that when they see the email, they know you're being marketed to while in the email be the see they're more likely to just like Oh. What is this yeah I think it probably is if you're not say calmest brand people if you page A, lot of them are pretty engaged. The happy to hear from you again you're out. Yeah. Baby is probably as it had a pretty pretty savvy. George before you go tell me something every industry out there always has. You know those things one is myths, but then there's also the ones that you know. Everybody or a lot of people are making that same mistake because they heard it somewhere some influence or said something wrong and so was like. The most common mistake or even the biggest mistakes that you see being the now. So. This is a hard one lists at. Heart endless and I would say from. From. GOING FROM Marketplace to assess software. And it's around. A surround what what, what an VP can be. I think. In in building a pace of marketing software, an MVP pay the MVP attends out is much much higher. So. It it takes long. It takes a long time to to get to yeah, like A. Minimum viable product the in invaded SAS from from mine experience doing at once. Moving quickly yet just is very, very hard. So really where we got to was I said it took seventeen months to get Warren Buffet. Really that was a point one it took us another. Twelve months to get to vision one MVP so that senior life tuna hobbies. So yeah I, think. I. Think that is That's that's something we learned is that. When when when you building software? That is mission critical? It just has to it has to flawlessly. And so yeah. It's it's tightening a half attainment probably working on stability and infrastructure and bugs the whole time. And that system reality of building kind of mission critical knocking. Selfless. Not Everybody has the same standard when it comes to the MVP right because you guys are probably very picky and your MVP actually has to work while sometimes you see like Oh. Yeah. This is the MVP launch it does it work no launch. Is Hard to build Vipul air in the space. I. Would say. Oh. Man. George. For anybody that wants to try to tool check out more about you to working to find it. Sure I'm anyone who's in ECOMMERCE. He wants to do sort of live up the amount marketing. Just. Google motto go to Smile Dot Com. I'm all for us in the the platform at still. gotcha perfect. I'll have that also in the show notes in for those of you listening I also have a Georgia's twitter linked in, and of course, Smarter Mail DOT COM Sake so much I'm one of those. That's GONNA. Check it out and I hope everybody else does too. Nice Green. Thanks for having me on. Thank you.

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Puppy Training: An Update on Bella | Ep: #34

The DogBone Pawdcast

34:45 min | 2 years ago

Puppy Training: An Update on Bella | Ep: #34

"First off and welcome back to our podcast and do a live podcast bomb so for listeners listening to a podcast on after whatever <hes> to see you're aware then we're in the truck so audio is going to be. Maybe a little bit different. <hes> bins okay. Ben is live on facebook right now. We're on our way over to the farm <hes> over in buffalo county. We're gonna be doing some food plots and setting up some licking sticks exist so we're spending the day over there and we thought we would try to be efficient and get a couple of podcasts recorded while we we're driving. I've got making some phone calls catching a stuff like that but this chance to <hes> get some of the content ten stuff done that we're trying to do and we struggle to find time during the day. Vans live on facebook where are is. We're gonna do this one. It's podcast number thirty five. This'll be podcast number thirty five and we're going to do it as a bella update so <hes> bella is a dog that probably at this point most people maybe that are following us know that we have our they haven't necessarily seen a lot of the training progress. We did go live on facebook with her a week ago. We can go <hes>. We've only had it for a couple of weeks. Mm-hmm we live with earned its place dream. We <hes> record. We did some stuff at beer fest with her and we recorded all of that so that's on a seminar in the seminar that were were actually one of them's edited the other ones kidding edited posting those so. You're gonna see some early stuff with bela there but we've been recording ben and i have been recording training just about every day we've done ten fifteen eighteen probably reported <hes>. I'm going to do an update on where we're at with her. The disconnect is probably the you haven't seen the videos yet. So you really don't really haven't been able to follow along with the training. That's coming <hes> we are working out some final details <hes> on a on a with a few partners that we're gonna work with with on it and figure out the best way to put it out there effectively efficiently so so if you're following if you're watching watching around physical watching facebook when you have questions on bella feel free to ask them for any other question i guess for that whatever what everyone talked about if you're listening on the podcast that's why we're going to maybe go in different directions a little bit because we're trying to i i really valued the interaction that we had with live sprite when it was live because we did get to get a lot of <hes> at the multi in the moment and questions and some things that came up people's minds. We were able to talk about it. <hes> it was just a real good way for us to do it. It also super time consuming and difficult to do with reception. It's part of the reason why we're going live on facebook. Great now is because we're driving in the middle of nowhere across the state and i have better reception now than i ever have at my house so it became frustrating trying to get that stuff live. Will we're at home now. You who you'll notice <hes> then swing live camera back so <hes> we have bella and i say her name hesitantly because did she did finally settle down. I've got cody with us as well. <hes> cody is going to be out with us down to buffalo county. We're spending a couple of days here. <hes> <hes> prepping food plots checking cameras do licking sticks. We're gonna do some recording with cody. Cody wakes up when i say her her name. That's why i want to be careful saying fella's name because i don't need to get her fired up <hes> we typically have cover return to this point. We've covered your great. She settles into it really well in the last week or so and i talked about this as we've been filled me. We live trainings. We've got white where she settles. Cover the creed. You don't hear peapod over if you do take the blanket off. She sees things she gets distracted. She hears things <hes> it's harder for her to settle in and i've had a lot of people ask questions about getting dogs to settle into the crate in it's something that we want to do early and often and we don't necessarily i do not want the punishment. I'd like it to be very positive so i right now feeding we're using feeding times as training with bella and so i'm i was going to steady her up. I don't need to study up which just to steady. I need to loosen her. I'm using feeding time. You'll see that when you see some of the videos of our training but i've been using feeding times to help figure out her understanding understanding of lining to a reward eventually. It'll be retrieves right now food <hes> so we do that typically in the morning. We've been recording that in in the evening at least half the time when i feed her in the evening. I've been feeding your chemical. I want her to get excited about the idea of getting into cannell getting fed which is pretty good sized reward for her at this point. I also wanted to be a really safe comfortable place so connecting positive passive stuff to the kennels important. I don't get mad at her. Don't get pissed off at it. Through the kennel guest she starts to connect that with negative so when we've when we got in her on she did not like being in the kennel <hes> when when there was no cover on it <hes> she wind a lot so we never we didn't we really respond to the whining just kind of ignored it. She settled in nicely <hes> within four five days where her whining whining would be a lot shorter. It go from fifteen minutes to ten minutes to five minutes to three minutes so you just put it in there and he didn't here now i started taking the cover off and she winds and so when we we have a camera on the dash right now on this recording <hes> for the regular podcast cast part so we use the blanket to kind of soften the were camera sits and so he took the blanket off of the kennel as soon as we took blink off with kendall she got real mild and <hes> she got real wine <hes> she she scratched in her kennel she wind she mm-hmm deep side all the time and so she wanted out because she could see out she see she can recognize that there. There's action going on around it. It took a little while we just recorded a podcast before this one talked pheasants <hes> we raised some pheasants this year so we we did a podcast is catching everybody up with the progress shared some of the things that one wealth things didn't go so well but during that podcast sheep unwind fuss versa few minutes. I didn't know how long the last <hes> it didn't last that long ship settling in she got a little bit wound loaned up again as it went on because i've got a bird name saturday. She heard that she got up and so. We're working to the point now where we're beyond. I feel you were good with covering the kennel. She settles. It's quiet now. We're working on having your settling without the cover incremental step. We're still keep her are in a relatively isolated place at our house. It's our laundry room but there's dogs with kenyon kendall's right next to a lot of times. Those dogs are leading the kennels without the workforce so she's got plenty of things to distracter there <hes> but all in all she is doing fantastic with it settling in nicely <hes> the other thing that we're working on and she i i say she's. I don't think she's got it one hundred percent because she can't slip on it and she could very easily these dogs dogs. I give messages from people. My dog is x amount of weeks old. She's got this. She's got she's got this. They don't have it. They might be doing real well but you and you don't form habits that quickly that are solid so the consistency has to continue with her letting her out of the kennel. She doesn't tom from flying out of their <hes> early on we just closed kennel back in your face and she very quickly realized don't come out. That door will close on me now. Open it. We can move around a little bit. I can walk around a little bit. She waits show. Peak your head out. She'll look for me. She comes out on her name. I usually snap my fingers a little bit. I give her a little gesture and i call her name. She come out the door. I'm getting into the habit of go right to the back door. Sip down once she sits down. I opened the door opened the door. I let her out and she does her bathroom. So it's all routine <hes> just just setting up a lot of routine things with their as far as your trees gone beyond like i consider all that stuff training but it's real lifestyle trading. It's real easy z. to build it in to everyday life stuff without setting time aside we are setting time aside work with this is a lot of the stuff that we've been recording <hes> he'll work. We've started to put him. He'll i value solid. He'll work as much or more than anything <hes> when especially when we start to want on friday off the field so we've established a little bit of you'll work with her. She's responded beautifully. <hes> i will say this so genetics play a big part in in a lot of dogs on a lot of things you get out of the dogs <hes> this little dog right now. I said this i got her. Nothing changed <hes>. Maybe just reaffirmed probably one of the nicer puppies. I've i've had <hes> <hes>. Here's just a just a really cooperative little dog very smart. <hes> just a real high q. I think she's real intelligent and <hes> possesses some things that are just extremely natural that are real attractive to meet. Her retrieves very very attractive to me right now. <hes> i'm not retreating with her because she's teeth <hes>. We stopped retrieving about a week and a half ago as she. I lost some confronted you could see. We just kept an eye on it. She's about seventeen or eighteen weeks off. Four to six months is typically richer which gonna teeth so we do. We stop retrieving right now because i don't wanna form condition in a bad habit of her chomping on it or wanting to lay down chew on it her picking up towards <hes> we've had questions about on posters of stuff on stories and stuff about her t._v. A lot of questions what do you give her to relieve some of that stress aggressive. I don't give her much. If any i think chewing is habitual habit. I don't give dogs toys to chew on. I think it creates choose <hes>. I don't have problems with older dogs at shoot. I think part of the reason is because i don't give them stuff to chew on when little i just don't allow it to be an acceptable behavior. I don't think it's fair to ask ask them to determine what they can can't chew on so we just don't give me the chew on. I have given her a few ice cubes and i will continue to do that when it really. He gets to the point where she's can't handle it. She's fussy kind of like a meeting. I give you give them a little. Teething rings rings frozen stuff helped him up gums so i'll give her an ice cube occasionally. She's never gonna mistake and ice cube for anything. I <hes> and think it's okay to chew on so we'll do that. Occasionally have done that occasionally with not a lot. I don't get into a big habit of it one of the problems with this i give it to her. <hes> it's okay if she he likes to lay their chew on it which what develops and has developed is the tendency to want to play with it then. She wants to flip it around and starts flipping it around if she's on on place. She's flipping it off the place then she's really tempted. She wants to get off places. They'll get it placed. Training is something that's going really well with her and one of the things that we're doing is mm-hmm or not. We're at the point where she gets workplaces. She knows that's her spot. She knows she can't come off of it. She's become very trustworthy on it to the point racket lever leave the real question on her coming off of it or very very little part of the reason is because i don't allow her to be acceptable zapped for to come on and off at free will or i don't call her off. I think it's silly to have the dog and you want to stay on place and then you call fallen off because they're gonna start anticipating just like i want them to a lotta times where i want the dog to understand what's going to happen next to start to anticipate it. Just be i think with the dog. That's got a high q. like her. That's one of the things i should tap into when i don't want her to do is assume that i'm gonna call her off the bed so we'd put her on there. She's on there. I go over figure up off of it or a toucher. Take off of it. <hes> if you're too big not too big install scooper up seven home so that's another thing that we're working on putting around place in leaving your aunt place places. I'm very developed. Blot confidence in place. That's been something we've been working on with the word we're using adjustable leader right now. <hes> she's responding really well well. I've actually gone to right hand turns great <hes> very loose lead very little correction. We're on gravel so there's not a lot of distractions if i went on grass which we probably will start next week <hes> i'd have to pop a little bit because their nose is gonna go down on the gravel. She's not bad <hes> attention span relatively short has has to be expected but we're getting a lot of real valuable. You'll work out for right now. We actually are starting to turn into a turn to the left shield on the left turning into. You're got her feet moving in the right way this week even so <hes> all in all right now things that are happening. Belle are really really positive. Now we're going to start sharing some of that. <hes> very soon posts wise <hes> by the time this thing by the time. This podcast actually goes live. Some of them are probably be started. Youtube is where they're going to be facebook's where they're going to be what we will probably be view but and put them in as many places as we can't. Wherever you're getting your content from hopefully we're touching them. One of the things that i think is important is and i do not want people to watch it and make comparisons. Let's not doing. I'm not showing this so you so you can watch it and go oh sixteen seventeen weeks eighteen weeks. This is where i need to be with sam or whatever another dog's name hyper whatever it is if you've got another dog and you're watching this. It's just as a baseline for some of the progress in maybe more so for less the progress but what happens when this goes on what happens when you run into this problem. How do you handle handle this issue. That comes up. What do you need in order like. We're doing cody. Go back right now. That's all back casting and handling left and right before we get on that we needed to the whistle before we could use it to the whistle. We need he'll before we can do. He'll we needed play streaming. All this stuff is is sequenced <hes> and so we didn't reach court all that early training with cody. We're trying to record all that stuff with bella. We did a lot of that spry if you watch live with spry versus what we're documented with bella two totally different hands <hes> literally and figuratively so the process things sprite it really well bella. We're not even doing yet. <hes> at that age part of it is because when we got we bella a lot older than normally get up at seven. Marie exalt fourteen weeks old so little bit different timeframe so what my process is the same. I still start gaining so i don't care what your age. Your dog is. Don't compare it to our dogs. The secrets is going to be very simple. I i also don't want people to get frustrated with your dog is doing so well in place in mind so what part of it it's very rarely the dog almost always it's moss so study that more so than the progress of the dog and i think you're gonna probably gain benefit vinho lot more from it so i put that out there because i've i've had the little bit that we've shared bellas progress had multiple people message me with frustration creation like literally they're frustrated because they saw quickly bella story to this. Don't compare it. It doesn't matter how quickly she did it slowly slowly system at some things because some things i'm quite certain other dogs in her age doing better or more of than what she so and i'm not worried read about it. So if i'm not worried about it you can't shouldn't you can't be worried about it. He's just gonna take away from the whole process to make it a whole lot less enjoyable. I think this should be fun so <hes> bella. I am having a ton of fun with so far. We've got her with us. She settled in nicely <hes> probably if you wanna hear her wine listened to the fezzet podcast is you'll hear her whining at the back <hes> but that took a few minutes we pay any attention to it and now she's settled it and so as we go on this trip we might kennel without the cover. Just put your plugs in for a little bit and deal with it and then we get to the point where she starts to change the habit to now. I don't have to necessarily be covered up and i get busy. Routine of giving can be quiet. We're going so it's not a bad thing so that's it <hes> under twenty minutes on this one which is shorty ready but i like these little short ones. I like being able to just hit one topic at a time two questions on there so we've got questions on facebook so we'll does go ahead dan mcgann. Have you ever noticed that will go into deeper than belly twenty month old old female that will <hes> no. I guess i don't then i have some dogs. I don't know if you've heard the question. <hes> dog august won't go into the water. <hes> that dog training hero you know she was shepherd so not necessarily malanois shepherd mix not necessarily the strong water breed. The labs are <hes> labs. Ten do not have issues with water. The will have issues with water if you don't introduce them to the right way. I do think that's important. <hes> the i think the best way to get dogs into water comfortably is patiently and slowly in the other way to do it is is going to water yourself <hes> the traffic now here claire so we're gonna be a little bit <hes>. I'm going to be focused on that but i think i think the key is you go in the water yourself. <hes> i do think that if you have a well behaved dog it doesn't necessarily hurt to have <hes> a second dog with that is under control and let them go in the water. That's how we got hero in <hes> and we had other dogs in the water and air followed in but it took. Dan took me. I had that dog in the to the water five six times us two weekends to fully up north on the lake and she didn't never went in deeper than her elbows. <hes> so it's it's when the time name is right. That's when it's right and i don't know when that time is and i'm not going to force it so but i do think getting in the water yourself walking in there with him. The other thing is make sure the water's nice and warm. I mean i'm i'm brian. These dogs these young dogs that are just going into wash with sign. They're going in relatively shallow. Excuse me the middle of the summer the water's nice and warm they can get in there and it feels good to them. I mean it's like bathwater so i think how you introduce the water is important and how long it takes doesn't matter if you do a good job of introducing eventually they're gonna. They're gonna probably surprise themselves. I think that's what happened with. Beller arrow was she. Just didn't realize she'd gone far enough. In all of a sudden she's deeper than in her chest and she had to swim and that came real natural tour this little puppy bella and i see your name too loud and i probably weaker up should get going mm-hmm but bella has been in the water. She hasn't swam sixteen seventeen weeks old. She hasn't swam so i've only had her to the water two or three times she went in. She went up to deep enough to swim. Put her head down in the water. She got a little bit startled. She came back out. That's fine. I'll l. have her in the water soon enough. <hes> if you've got little dog at strong retriever i'd start on the edge a little puppy bumper that floats and maybe pitch it into the water and let them pick it up out of the water and bring it back to you and they just slowly added a little bit deeper little detail they gradually have to get a little older and a little more confident and they make the splash. They make the big jump once they're in. It seems like they're in <hes> rarely. Does the dog go in and then go. I don't like that anymore unless you start throwing them off the dock unless you start you're carrying him in and drop them in startling scaring them so easily easing them into it allowing them to ease into it is the key to that. I think corey smogs support questions says i've always been curious wiring which lab look like other trooping was labs. I've seen well. I don't know what you've seen for english now. I think there's a difference and it's a formality english and british. British is <hes> what what commonly referred to from the dogs that we have. I would call them british field lines they're u._k. Bread <hes> doesn't mean the from from england <hes> they are from the u._k. So northern ireland scotland <hes> take wheels part of the u._k. Whatever the u._k. Is made up of several countries. I think dogs look very much like british laps. <hes> field lines <hes> i do think the confusion that comes in oftentimes is people talk about british labs have become very popular in the last ten years ten to fifteen years. Maybe two popular in to me. That's just personal final can thought but <hes> i think what's happened is <hes> their popularity expanded. There's lots of people that read them now. There's lots lots of people that import him <hes> in and we will go down that rabbit hole but the shrew field lines means. Just what i'm interested in <hes> are very different than what i would consider a show liner table line <hes> i think they call those english a lot english dogs. <hes> are what i think they call. They're show dogs english lab. <hes> british lab is is hunting. Dog comes from hunting hunting law of the ones that i have come from field lines which are trials field trials field trials over there very very different than over here <hes>. That's why i like them. But the british field lines confirmation actual look the dog is relatively low on the standards as far as <hes> traits that they're that they're interested in first and foremost so natural game finding is real important to them. <hes> a good knows the bid ability willingness to please disposition temperament. Some of those things are really the focal points now they've confirmations while they have standards as far as weights if standards interest as far as heights <hes> they're smaller dogs. They're confirmation smaller than the american style <hes>. I think that people get confused and i hear this all the time and it kind of drives me nuts. I just don't give into it that much but i hear all this talk about stocky short legged egged block headed dogs. All that stuff is brett is specifically talking about the look of the dog. The look the dog matters. If you're showing the dog the look of the the dog is not the priority when it comes to hunting dogs or working the dog in the field now do i liked good looking dog absolutely <hes> some of my dogs. I like the look so some of them. I prefer <hes>. I don't necessarily love the look of <hes>. I don't think any my dogs are awful looking. I don't think any of my dogs are are the perfect perfect lab for me. <hes> what i look at much higher as far as <hes> appeal to me is they're. They're working aspects so natural game finding <hes> natural retrieve <hes> disposition temperament style. <hes> goes things value more so than the look so. I think it depends on what you're looking at. <hes> if you go and you look at <hes> u._k. Bread feel feel blinds <hes> you'll you'll look at my dogs and you look at those dogs and you go. That's where he gets them from because that's where we get from <hes> so there are there. There are a lot of things online that you can look at <hes> a lot of really good resources. Go i would just google and look at some of the ken. I'm i'm fascinated by kennels channels over there. <hes> i'm fascinated by breeding over there. I think it is so true. <hes> and i think that it is completely in for the right reasons <hes> and it's quality the dogs in so i this this little dog that we have right now <hes> comes from blue cyprus blue lucite <unk> kennels is a kennel down out of florida <hes>. It's a a guy i know new well from wild rose kennels <hes> years ago in he manages bu cypress known. He got this puppy for me. <hes> the reason i got this puppy is one hundred percent because of the breeding <hes> it comes from a dog from kennel called fender would david letham is his name <hes>. He's the he's the captain of the english conduct team <hes> he has a kennel. He's yeah i i'm it's a guy that i really look up to <hes> look up to him from a training standpoint <hes> an a philosophy osophy standpoint when it comes to dogs but that's one of many over there that i really really am interested in <hes>. The female is also imported boarded <hes> the of her bells. Mom's name is tests. <hes> that was field trial winner. <hes> bailey is the sire bailey's <hes> international field trial champion <hes> i winner <hes> four-time qualifier me just super impressive resume <hes> it's exactly. It's the only reason i got the dog. <hes> is is because of those genetics so those dogs. <hes> bella included <hes> all all of my dogs. If you go back one jet one generation or two generations the most back well right now it would be l. e. Elliot's the least mm-hmm connected to literally overseas overseas from from my dogs <hes> she comes from a dog. That was an irish dog. <hes> imported <hes> <hes> field trout international field champion. She's a granddaughter <hes> she's a great granddaughter and i've trained <hes> nine dogs out of that line out of the four generations so just it's personal dog vars <hes> i hold onto certain dogs for certain reasons <hes> and that's one that i held onto because i just liked the lineage <hes> so that touches on that probably a little longer than he needed on that but so in court it was corey wasn't a desk so that's so i think <hes> there's a big difference between show infield. Okay <hes> darren power who says my lap switched breathing well swimming. Can i get to tonight. Get her breathing through her notes. That's your dog's gonna figure that one on <hes> if she's mouth breathing and sucking water. She's gonna choke <hes>. It's one of those things that from an experience standpoint. She's going to have to figure it out <hes>. I don't think there's jenny drills or anything that you can do. I think experience <hes> actual training <hes> will allow her to figure that out. That's something that <hes> nature takes care of on then the gale said. Don't tell your dogs come from one breeder what he say. Don't doesn't on your dogs <hes> i've had. I've trained trained dogs. Now <hes> british style or u._k. Bred dogs from four different kennels finals i for years and years and years. I did some breeding back with one channel. <hes> wild rose kennels. <hes> had had have had a really a good relationship with them for a long long time. <hes> several of my dogs are from them but i've done. I've i've trained dogs from the kennels. <hes> that is robert milner in tennessee <hes> this cyprus <hes> then i had another one that thoughts and awesome those are three so those are the three of the british now i've trained american dogs to have on some american dogs <hes> so and that was prior are your two <hes> two thousand three when i got my first my first dog that was from from the case style british style dog. I i personally haven't owned any sense. It's just definitely my preference. That's it so <hes> podcast. We'll wrap that up. Nope that was episode over thirty five right so a little bit of a twist on this one <hes> we've got some live interactions your facebook stuff <hes> and we're you're getting close to losing receptions over won't be doing that anymore. <hes> we're getting close to the hills. Buffalo county renewed food plots or an instagram stories and on our facebook stuff suffer. We put some content full so thank you guys. You're listening to the podcast. Thanks for anyone who is following on live. Thank you guys for <hes> asking some questions on it. <hes> and we will continue to do these. Please do us the favour. 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Springfield's 1911 Emissary; How To Be A Better Shooter; Shooting a .45ACP Revolver: Gun Talk Radio | 08.08.21 Hour 1

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Springfield's 1911 Emissary; How To Be A Better Shooter; Shooting a .45ACP Revolver: Gun Talk Radio | 08.08.21 Hour 1

"Ero precision pushes. The boundaries for modern sporting rifle builds and machines receivers customer for jeans for added strength and durability aero precision delivers top quality american made products at an affordable price arrow precision. Usa dot com all right. Let's do this thing tom. Gresham it has gun talk on. Glad you are with us. Yes we call it gun talk because we talk about guns and shooting and i think guns and ammo or actually finding him and then tying him if we can find emo is actually getting better. I think all situations getting better so we'll talk about that also question. How do you know if you're a good shooter. And how can you make yourself a better shooter. We'll address that in just a minute. Also a lot of things going on in the news Two prominent in our board members have resigned. I fully expect more to resign as a lot going on there. Rumors are swirling and we are maybe four weeks away from the nra's annual meetings in houston a lot of speculation of what could happen there and you know me. I'm always willing to speculate. So we'll talk about that. So what about kerry today. That's a good question. We sprung that on some friends. This morning surprised him. It's the old what tom wearing today. And house carrying. We'll talk about that bell. Lots of things going on. And oh yeah. We're going to revisit the nine millimeter versus the forty five. The argument that has sold hundred million magazines years. A lot of things going on. Of course you can join us. All you have to do is give me a call. Eight six six talk on or it's easier. Tom talk gone. If just dial. Tom talk gun. That'll get you in your and of course we're always pretty much open lines your new. Explain this we're the good guys and gals we're the ones you don't hear a lot about you. Know we're the ones who use guns response restore them safely. Enjoy shooting sports. Have guns for self defense so we can talk about almost anything that has to do with guns but we're not going to talk about using them irresponsibly or in any way. That's not safe but if you have questions by all means if you don't like guns particularly and you'd like explore that heck i'll give you the floor. We'll talk about that as well. All right it is always a pleasure to bring in one of our good friends here. Rob leith join just from springfield armory obviously world champion about forty seven thousand times. How you doing rob. I'm doing great today. How are you tom. We'll i am good. Like i know you're thinking you again boy. No kidding i get so excited every time. I'm going to get on this thing on it every day. If you love me. I just sit in the back. Now that the guy the woman is sits in the background of stern man. I back there and whatever amount of mouth you know. I'll be the big man you know you can just sit over there comments. Now there's an that's an honor now right. you're johnny. Oh you kidding you bet so. I'll tell the story. i'm i'm talking to rob earlier. We're texting back and forth. And i said you don't want to talk about is how do you know if you're a good shooter. In the next tech succumbs is a picture. He must have spun around. Took a picture of his wall with like all these world championship trophies. That's one way to know if you're a good shooter. I guess that smart outs out. It's a legit question you know. How do you know. I mean there. There are a lot of people know that their shots and aren't and i think there are a lot of people out there aren't good you know we're we're okay so i mean for the average person i mean the first i come up with. How do you know. If you're a good shot. Well go compete and find out well. Yeah there's a there's a there's a solid way to find out what everybody finds out the first thing they go is there. I hope they don't know what they're getting into right right and the next time you go like well. I got a lot of work to do but almost everybody goes out and tries. It isn't what thing it's gonna come back. Motivated get better important than actually wanting to get better and most of us go to the range and shoot it. We shoot up to whatever you know. We're trying to do today. Assuming we're not a competitive shooter. We'd go out there and shoot. Yeah i hit the target. I but put them in the black and i guess i'm pretty good but there's no comparison with anything else. There's no pressure test is no way to know. Is this good versus. What if you have a versus rat is really nothing to compare with iraq. And that's exactly is going to be scattered for. I guess you know you can look at not receiving and you go okay. We're gonna be robbed. We're going to take a quick break here a little early on. We're losing your phone. We're going to try to reconnect to make that a little bit better. You hang on Jim will work with your on network and take our break right now. Eight six six talk gun. We'll get you in here. I'm tom gresham. Be right back with more. Rob letham here on gun talk. At and offers smart hd ultra hd thermal and night-vision rifles scopes binoculars mccullers range finders and more for hunters outdoor enthusiasts military and law enforcement with features like bluetooth wifi extended battery life ultra hd sensor resolution and full hd video recording cutting edge technology meets quality parts in every eighty product. The future of optics is already here. Find your next optic at and corp dot com mental health and guns at walked the talk america. We're working with both the mental health community and the gun industry created by a gun industry veteran. Walk the talk. America seeks to raise awareness and create change through suicide prevention and firearm safety without legislation we strive to eliminate the prejudice that firearms and mental health. Face for more information and to support. Walk the talk america. please visit. Walk the talk. America dot org the smith and wesson. Mp three eighty shield easy pistol revolutionized personal protection with. It's easy to use design. Now enter the peace shield easy in nine millimeter built for personal and home protection. The smith and wesson impe nine shield easy pistol features the same easy to rack easy to load and easy to shoot design of the mp shield easy series available at a retailer near you find out more at smith dash wesson dot com. All right eight six six talk gun. I'm tom gresham. This is gun talk. I was talking to a gun store owner two days ago. And it's funny. He was saying all the guns he said. I can't keep a nine hundred eleven stock and we'll talk about that just a minute. I mean what is it about the nine hundred eleven to. It's it's pretty crazy what's going on. There are more and more guns available now. in fact i just saw report shoot sturm. Ruger reports fifty four percent sales surge gun buying frenzy continues ruger. The second largest us gun maker said that had continued to sell guns. At robust robust rate sales jumped fifty four percent to twenty million dollars in the second quarter incredible. And that's going on everywhere. I mean every gun maker students. Same thing just cranking out as fast as they. Can you know doing the whole deal there. So all right. We got robbed back here. Rob i just saying a gun store told me rob latham obviously springfield armory world champion shooter many times over but done this gun store. I'm talking to this guy about a nine hundred eleven. He just says. I can't keep a one thousand. Nine hundred stock said we'll get a mandate on twenty four hours. If i had a hundred them i could move one hundred nine hundred eleven and this is a little bit shop and a little bitty town. What's going on that one hundred. Plus years later we would call traditional classic platform. Guess what. They're still selling like hotcakes. Well an opposite springfield. Armory is one of the leaders and making selling nine hundred eleven. And then i guess it was just last week or a week or so ago you come out with the add another one. What is the emissary. Well the emissary is you know if you back it up. I've been shooting square trigger guard on nineteen eleven's or thirty plus years because i really liked the way they feel on the other hand. A lot of people don't like the way it but finally after three decades. I got him to build a square trigger guard gun and what it was going to start out as was just putting the square turner guard on it but then they kind of revamp the whole thing. They went to a different checkered pattern different grips. It's got a real course pattern. That's almost like fragmentation. Great grenade real squared. Look oh yeah yeah. Yeah yeah yeah exactly pineapple grenade and what it does is it's very what having big flats on it. It doesn't have snagging that you would normally get from like real sharp thirty or forty line. Check ring even twenty so it actually doesn't grab onto stuff but does deep deep grooves which allows your flesh and your hands and go into it. Grips a really really well and some of the stuff It's funny because it's things we've had in competition for quite some time Like bowl barrels. We did away with the bushing and has a flush to the slide bull barrel with a coup looking jam for so the bigger barrel makes the gun kick last when you shoot it To look at it the traditional eleven guy. He's going to go like. Wow but the modern shooter that especially the competition shooters like flat tops and separations and things like that. It's just i have to say it's just the most modern nineteen eleven get. Why do you like a square trigger guard. What's that do for you. Well in the beginning it gave you a nice flat surface for a two handed grip to put your support han trigger finger on and i never did that. Some people did but what i liked. It extended that portion. When i put my big fat hands. One over the other on a two-handed grip underneath the trigger guard. My support hand finger would go so far forward to be rolling over that curved portion of nineteen eleven trigger guard so by straightening that out by straightening that out and extending it it. My support hand finger pushed harder against the bottom of the frame on the trigger guard. And give me a firmer grip. So i just always felt like it improves. The way i grip the gun and this is when you pick it up. The first thing that happens is you go. This is a heavy gun. it's ford steal. This is like this is a real gun. You can go out and shoot a gazillion round through. Oh yeah that that we've I gotta be honest man. We we've got the fitting of these things down now and we can produce in quantity slide to frame fits that will last for tens of maybe one hundred thousand dollars. I don't have that many on it. But they shoot ten thousand rows one of these things and wipe it off and looks brand new again and feels brand. new barrel. Fits are so good that this would have been a custom gun probably fifteen years ago and now it's Production everybody can get one all right so and people know you as nine hundred eleven guy pistol competition guy. I know you as just a gun. Guy man shotguns revolvers rifles. When you go into a gun store these days. What's rob leith them kind of cruise around looking for whether it's new or used or what catches your eye. I immediately go to the us. Guys old guns and used Funniest say that. Because i just did that the other day and you know what you're always looking for the bargain you know. Somebody's gonna have a a pre magnum smith and watson 357 registered magnum sitting there. And they don't know what it is. You're going to buy one for three hundred bucks. That doesn't happen. Of course the man that were of just walking up and looking for that. So i i look at anything old and you know. The sadness is when i was a kid and wound into gun store. That stuff was The stuff i'm looking for now. Is this stuff sitting there all the time. And now i love to walk in and find a whole line of old luger's that people just want to get rid of. It occurs to me that one of these people may not know and then i think they're probably surprised at sometimes is we get together. Inevitably we ended talking about revolvers as much as anything else. You really like revolvers. I love revolvers. I grew up with revolvers We were a revolver family. The only not revolver we had was a think. My uncle daniel brought back from war a nam boo and we had an ambu. And i still haven't although i'd never shoot the thing. I don't even know if we have in the ama- for that but it was always revolvers when i grew up and i really didn't get into the auto loaders until i got into the competition when i got into competition of course have never so much better but that doesn't change the that. I have a deep seated for additional love for older things The older i get the more. I like older things like old old lever action rifles more than i like new ones. And you know you're always looking for that kind of stuff I still think that if the average guy would learn how to shoot a double action revolver and learn how to manipulate the trigger for that long strokes and the long pull along what we call reset now. I think that would make them a better shot. You have hold again so much better to pull the trigger through that new guns. We've got sloppy. Be honest with you. The guns are so easy to shoot now That issue give a guy that grew up on nineteen eleven's with three pound triggers. A double action vol. You can't make it fire. And i think that's something that made made me better. Quicker is that. I was used shooting those hard guns when i got my first nineteen eleven and forty five and had local guy. Do it took a job on it. It was insanely easy to shoot for me. So i think part of that is just from that love the old revolvers. Sure all right so you had to coach somebody you not even look at it and say here's two or three or four. Whatever you want things you could do ways to make yourself a better shooter. Let's just stick with handguns right now. Generally speaking you've taught thousands of people who watch tens of thousands of people. Shoot if you say okay. Here's three things or whatever it is. He say i could probably tell you without ever seeing you shoot. They would help you. What what would it be. Well the it. It's pretty simple because the same mistakes get done all the time. People are trying to do things that they can't do because they understand incorrectly. What it is. They're trying to do. The hardest thing to do. Well is hold against eddie and pull the trigger. That's the hardest thing the thing is lineup. The sites as long as you can hold a gun steady and as long as cold extent. Gun steady atings easy. A lot of people have a. Let's use the term flinch because it's commonly understood but they have a tendency to try to control the recall at the same so they fired again. So you have to separate those two things. So if i can teach you how to hold the gun firmly so that the gun won't kick too much or flip too much. That's the hardest part after that. It's pulled the trigger with regards to what happens afterwards. Meaning let the gun kick. The average guy is trying to keep the gun from moving trying to keep it from flipping He's focusing on the wrong parts of the trigger. So if i had to. If i give it to you in four things first thing hold a gun better right. Motionless become steady and consistent. Don't change your grip pressure. If i can get you to do that then. I can teach you paul trigger real easily. I can teach you the aim. And then i can teach you to recover so it's hard parts. Only gun really yes. It's it's really interesting that nowhere in there. Did you say. I'm gonna teach you how to line up the sites you're right that's what everybody wants to concentrate on the sites lined up in that deal and i know you've done the drill where you say. Look you aimed the pistol. You just aim. I'll pull the trigger for you in their groups shriek by two thirds of what they were getting before. Because you're doing the thing that's important. You're pulling the trigger. The sites at the sites is easy. It is a matter of fact. I only have to tell a person what alignment is usually one time. I'll say listen. You see this thing in the front but the top of this even with the top of that make the light bars on both sides of this thing equal and then put that in the middle of the target and i never have to tell them to do it again but as soon as they grabbed the gun. Draw the gun. Start trying to grip it. They can't get it pointed where they want so the last thing they think about there's even is even looking at the sites and then they stop trying to pull the trigger the truck stop trying to grip so they have a bad grip they have their finger on the trigger on the wrong spot and then they focus and they stopped that and then they focus completely on the sites which point they go like. I can't even hold a gun steady. So how am i supposed to pull the trigger and the answer is you. Can't it won't work. You don't have to tell people too much about aiming until it becomes a refinement level. Does that make sense in to being refinement level when it's just basic meaning ten yards and in and you're hitting the middle of a of a silhouettes lies target not aiming just not that. It's not that important. I mean it has to be done. You have to create alignment but man you focus has to be on the things that make the mistake and you described perfectly how i show people that that's the case you pull the trigger for them then they go. Okay which part that. I take out of this whole component for you as well. I pulled the trigger. You pulled the trigger for me and now you're shooting a group better than i can shoot. Which means you hold a gun. Aimed the gun expert level. But how can you can't pull the trigger because our minds bounce back and forth and trying to pull the trigger. We stopped pulling the trigger. Then look at the we. What you're saying is if you're really smart you think about this stuff a lot. You probably can't be a good shooter. So what does that say about the good shooters like you or not very smart i. I'll put it up there right. I'm sure tom. If i could have been a rocket scientist i would have been one. But maybe not. But i was left with nothing but incredible talent in the drive to become great right. Here's here's a drill for people to try to find it what this is about. Take a little bit of tape tape over your rear sight right and now now think about trigger. Don't worry about that. Get lined up and just work on trigger. Don't even worry about the sites. It's amazing what happened to said. Well i can't see sites yet. don't worry about it it's okay. Take that conscious thought that you are using to try to create some sort of picture. You can't even do anyway because it's never perfect. She's never doesn't know he never shoot a perfect shot just close and and you tell them listen. Close your eyes. Hold guy get lined up. Put your finger already to go point in the middle now. Close your eyes and pull the trigger. Tom at five yards. I've never seen anybody miss what their is closed. And i said i'll say to a time and time again. So why are you worrying so much about looking at the sights. Let's do something else that let's focus on doing something you don't do well instead of focusing on and then there it is and there are a lot of these different drills. Obviously you can go get some instruction but a lot of that you can do by yourself just by saying. Hey it's the trigger pull and it's a good firm grip that's consistent and then work on the trigger and don't worry about the recoil and let the gun kick. I mean. I hear people say well. It's amazing that you don't seem to have any muzzle flips as well. Because i have a really well time flinch. It's working on. He'd just come can pull the trigger without moving there it is. Hey rob thank you so much for spending some time with his. It's always fun. We'll do it again a little more time next time. Perhaps all right. Thank you very much for the technical difficulties. That's it's phones. It's the where we live into. Play the world champion shooter. Gazillion times over springfield armory the new embassy emissary that is forty five thousand nine hundred eleven from springfield armies. Pretty amazing is feels good. Let's go well. Rob designed most of it said hey. Why don't you do this. They could gun that. I like like is probably pretty darn good. All right open lines now. What have you been shooting. What are you finding. are you finding ammo. I'm seeing more and more what you raise report out there. I number eight six six. Talk gun or just call me. Tom talk tom. Gresham phobia right back. All right back with the tom gresham. Six six talk gun. We'll get you in here. Easier to remember dot tom. That's been tom faulk gun. Rhonda that is calling out of. Grant's pass oregon on one. Hey ron range report for me what you got well just kind of like to make a little report on a brand new smith and west and double action revolver that i bought really what which one the forty five. Acp revolver what models at six twenty five. I believe it is. Why did you get a double action revolver in forty five. Acp which everybody thinks of as being made for semi autos well. I always love the forty five. Acp and I just thought well. And i love the revolver but i have a glock twenty one and a forty five. Acp that's my carry pistol. But i wanted to revolver. And i thought well there's no simpson having ten thousand rounds of two different types of ammo. So that's why. I bought it. And i love the way it felt Came in a four inch barrel and I took it out and shot it. And i really like it. So what's it like for those who don't know describe what it's like to shoot a really nice double action revolver. That'd be shot at double action as well as single action. I have i have a. I have a similar on single action in a forty five long call and i love shooting that. That's just a lot of fun. But i had three fifty seven's double action smith and lessons and When i helped. When i saw this gun at my gun dealer and held it i just well. It's kind of like walking into a candy store. Yeah you know what's interesting is that there are people who say well forty five. It must kick a lot but the forty-five acp revolver. I submit kicks a lot less than a full house. Three fifty seven magnum. What do you think it does. And a few. I've shot double action. And i shot at single action. And when i when i cock the hammer and shoot it at a single action the trigger pull on that is so light. I mean it is. It's so sweet. I just had to have. It is just money and also you're using the full moon clips. I am using the full moon clips and the other thing. I wanted to tell you that. I compared the cylinder length in the revolver to my simmer on long colt they're identical in length and i saw i just kind of thought. Well let's see if the long coat will fit in here. Well they tapered the end of the cylinder so that the long coat only go down about a third of the way right. But there's plenty of room and i don't know what it would have been nice if it would fit There's plenty of room for the bullet to fit in the cylinder in the revolver. So i don't go ahead you're right you know. I've got a ruger single action. That is a convertible forty five colt and forty five. Acp but you have to swap out the cylinders for that right And that's probably what i'd have to do with this. But i'll just keep it in an acp there. You go in just a few minutes here not too long. We're talking about Forty-five acp versus the nine millimeter. We got a ballistic expert coming on. Who's tested everything. So that'll be kind of a fund able guy appreciate. That's a really good range. 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September first the activeness of the effectiveness -ness of this versus federal law. Overseeing that right. I can explain this. This is a do. Nothing mean nothing. Get people in trouble bill. Pay no attention to it whatsoever. That's what my gun shop owner said. Yeah this is a this is one of this just like the sanctuary laws. The second sanctuary laws that are passed everywhere means nothing. Does nothing absolutely. just tempts. people get into trouble. Federal law still apply just because they suppressors made in texas and you live in texas. It never cross state lines does not mean the federal laws don't apply it's still an nfl. Adam item and he's still required to pay the two hundred bucks to get the tax. Deputy if you don't. It's a felony but on down that road. No kidding no i haven't. Nfl trust. I've been vetted i have to suppressors so I'm i'm gonna go with the right road. Let me ask you a question. Because i was talking to a friend of mine says yeah. I'm gonna order suppressor. I said look if you know if you think about eventually. You're going to have more ser. Why not go ahead. If you have the financial wherewithal to do it or two or three because you can put them all in at the same time. Now you've got only one waiting period. Where do you think of that way of thinking. If you would give me two thousand dollars three thousand dollars. I would do that tomorrow not years. Oh i'm seventy years old. I'm retired. I'm on a budget right. Okay and I haven't already made a hundred and kristen on my two to four out very but Oh yeah i have. A two to four outcry built within griffin. And my omega. Three hundred is on my hundred blackouts that i have which is fucking no. You know what. You're not said that. I thought it was going to hear you is that you had a rim fire suppressor. I want the dead man mask. I've heard it is one to get in. Can you confirm or deny that or tell me which one to get. I have to admit i haven't tried that. One and we have been working closely with the folks at silencer central. In fact just a couple of people Friends of mine used them. And they'll even set up your trust for you for free but silencer central. You can go through them to get your suppressors and and that's the audit that in fact i've got one on order right now. There were the banish thirty. Two thirty caliber. And i made the mistake. I didn't did not listen to my own advice. I should have gone ahead and ordered like three at the same time. Put them all in the same paperwork. And then you've got one waiting period because i don't don't have a suppression for twenty two. I haven't integrate suppressed. Ten twenty two twenty two suppressor. I can just screw on things. And i gotta get that. So that means another set of forms and dumb on my part. Well i understand. We all screw up as long as it's legal well there. There's there's that and it takes us back to the whole deal of the second amendment sanctuaries or this house bill nine fifty seven out of texas. And there're going to be much. They're gonna thump their gesture. Say yep i can do this year. No you cannot if you buy suppressor as far as the feds are concerned as far as the. Atf is concerned. You have to go through the process and it doesn't matter what the legislature says. That's like saying you know. What is the guy who cut your grass. Say well we'll take his advice to the has just as much sway on the legality at the texas legislature. In this case. I thought it was kind of smoke and mirrors. That's that was my concern too will let you get on and i love your show appreciate that. I'm glad you asked because look the reality of this folks who'll left and the right. Legislators elected officials they pander pander and we're sitting there cheering and we got the second amendment sanctuary bill. It doesn't mean anything. It's a feel good means nothing. Measure and people will say well sending a message. Well you know there's the old line about if you want to send a message call western union. That was way back but nobody cares. It's like sticking your hand in a bucket of water and put out and trying to see how big hole you make no impact whatsoever. It's in my view. Personal view i think is a waste of our effort. Waste of our resources to marshal forces to get these things pass which you're going to mean thing. If you're going to pull the team together you gotta marshal your forces and people go to the legislature. Why don't we try to pass up. That actually matters you know we could we could resend some gun. Control laws we could. I mean they're just an awful lot of things we could do. That's just my take on it by the way. Did you see this lawsuit. The country of mexico. It's filed a lawsuit a civil lawsuit against us gun makers saying the us gun makers are responsible for the cartel crime in mexico. I know you're you're going. What what deputy no. Yes they did. They're saying that somehow some way. Us gun makers responsible for the rampant crime. Everything else going on in mexico. Let's review gonna makers in the us make guns. They are regulated. From the time they are manufactured they are tracked record. There is no such thing as mass export or smuggling of guns by gun makers to mexico. You want to know how the cartel how they get their guns. They get him from the mexican military and they get them from central america. How would they get them from the mexican owe us go to the guy that is in charge of locking up the warehouse there the army. And you say here's the deal you're going to open the door and let us in. We're going to kill you. And every member of your family boom doors open. They get their guns. There also have been thousands and thousands and thousands of people who have defected from the military in mexico to the cartels bringing guns with them. All these guys were made legally sold legally with the approval of the government's. Us government and the mexican government for them to turn around and say somehow smith and wesson or ruger or any of these other gun. Companies are responsible for the cartel. Violence and murders and mayhem is absurd. The innocence team sports foundation course came out with comments about it. Basically say look. That's just not how it works. It's a lawsuit filed by. Here's the deal. Here's what's really going on. The lawsuit was filed by an american gun. Control group representing mexico. One of the things that happened is the bloomberg backed gun control groups dan band groups have all formed their own. Legal entities may have teams of lawyers go to cities and states and now countries. And saying we're going to help you destroy the us gun making industry. That's what this is about. This isn't about so called holding someone accountable or holding someone responsible. This is about if we can get the right case. We can get the right ruling that says by making a non defective product. That is highly regulated. We can still hold people gun companies responsible financially for the misuse of their product by a third party. Nothing that they did that destroys the gun industry. They have to shutdown. They'll never be able to get insurance. They closed their doors right. Then and the gun ban industry gifford's everytown moms action the rest of them. They understand that and so they've built these teams of lawyers that go into cities and states and say look. Here's how you can file suit against him. Don't worry about it. We actually got you back. We'll file the suits for you. It won't cost you anything. We'll do all the work. Just put your name on the lawsuit whether it's a city or a state or now country. This is one of the newest slash oldest moves now from the gun ban industry. If you minutes will be coming back talk about the university of forty five. What really works. What shows up when you do real holistic testing. What shoot you carry. I was gonna to ask the question where where about two three eighty a viable ran. You always start our fight doing that. Bad time to do another update on what's going on with the debacle at the national rifle association this past or i guess ten days we've had two high profile members of the board of directors resign ted nugent. Frequent guest. here just resigned. I think these people are buzzed. Meals is the other one. He's the owner of gunsight probably somewhat different reasons but somewhat connected ted think quoted scheduling conflicts. I don't buy that. I think kids never paid much attention to what was really going on the board and it was kind of a celebrity deal for him and it was a good high profile thing and he liked being there he never delved into what was going on when i asked you on the air about it. He said well. I don't know anything about finances i don't. I don't monitor any of that. Of course some my responses will. Why are you there. Then the board's supposed to run the organization the board runs everything whether it's a company or organization tells the staff what to do but not at the nra. It's the staff tells the board what they should do and what they will do and how they're going to vote staff the people who are hired help wayne lapierre's hired help. They're the board. Should be running that operation the president of the organization in this case it's just puppet set up by wing year and his cronies. Don't forget his cronies. So ted resigned but the latest one in one of the really sad wasn't surprised at all because i talk to him. Buzz meals owner of gunsight. Just resigned a couple of days ago. Buzz good guy marine. He went there to fight the good fight. He knows politics. He knows finances. He knows how to run a business in every time you try to do something that he got to. The point of basically just be ignored even on the board. Your he's asking questions in the staff up there. We'll not answer the question. They look down at their feet. Starting respond nobody says anything. It's like something out of a weird movie or something and then of course the straw that broke the camel's back on a lot of this is the. Nra is losing. From what i am here. Areas losing its director insurance. They will have no insurance to cover. Its board of directors from liability. What made it worse as they wouldn't tell the board purposely didn't tell the board they were losing their liability insurance. I think i mentioned that in his letter. You can't says you cannot expect people to volunteer to be on the board of when you don't have insurance to protect them and of course to hide it from the directors and directors found out about it. I think look around going. Well i'm not going to be on the hook for whatever happens if we don't have insurance. I'm out. I think you're gonna see a lot more of that. Best line of the week for me was the line said wayne. Beer and susan lapierre's his wife are the jim and tammy faye bakker of the second amendment with the number of people. They have betrayed the amount of money that has been misspent misused misappropriated who knows taken. I don't know fairly certain that the new york attorney general office knows fairly certain that the irs criminal investigative division knows. I think it's entirely possible. Slash likely that there will be criminal. Indictments of a number of those people wouldn't even be surprised if they pull some kind of media stunt do it at the nra annual meetings in houston in a month that would play. I mean come on the attorney. General's office of new york just had the whole deal about andrew. Cuomo governor cuomo. They liked publicity interesting. That it was a freaking mess over there and we'll keep you posted as we find out more about the stories break will come back nine. Millimeter versus forty. Five are actually. What is the best caliber for you to carry to protect yourself and your family.

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Real Monsters: Florida Man's Greatest Hits, Vol. 1

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Real Monsters: Florida Man's Greatest Hits, Vol. 1

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Budding out of trees. i even. there's a cherry tree just within my view right now and it's probably got about twenty percent blooms on it so it's still just barely getting started here. Well that yet. I mean we of course have all the agriculture to worry about around here me. And it's just it's the worst place for somebody who has bad allergies like me So at least it's not cove it. I got tested again and it came back negative but you need to call the doctor and get an antibiotic for the rest of. I think it might be sinus infection. Yeah been through zone south yes. They suck Let's see i hit a few different windows open here. All right so i do. You wanna see the forehead guy. I You know. Why don't we do that. This guy's crime actually wasn't all that But as much sure was anybody gets for tattoo. You've basically checked out of society in my opinion Whether it's doesn't have to rise to the charles manson level of doing getting a swastika. But yeah you pretty much are saying. Don't hire me. Yeah yeah. Basically the only time i can see a Exception to that there are some tribes in australia. Who do it as a sign of a right to pass it. Basically right i. if it's anything like the maoris no it's very distinctive style and in a lot of polynesian cultures. It's very stage. It's not a fucking state. Let alone lord. I did get. Where do you go from here is. This is i. It seems where do you go from here when the big limp dick of florida's right between your eyeballs year. That's a really good question. I mean this guy didn't even have the foresight to get a couple of like teardrop sundays. I those actually signified persons. You've killed no that's no that's a lie or at misinformation. Is more correctly disinformation Then is a big thing. Tear-drops actually indicate that you have been somebody's bitch in jail really. Yeah but they say no. Let me jog somebody. 'cause they don't want to admit that i always thought it was a part of Emi the dead man incorporated gang. But it's fine. It's a falsehood perpetrated by gang members. So they don't seem like pussies well definitely a of the You know hollywood is happily gone along with that notion. I'll be damned. Yes still this gut. You could even understand it a little bit better if you were from texas and you got that tattoo on your forehead you know. At least there's something to hold onto like like you know a real history a little bit of pride. Maybe represents his college days as a florida state. adding probably doesn't even remember his college days if he went postgraduate. I'm sure he remembers that his crime his crime was and bring a backup for ahead. It colleen nine one one for a ride home really looking down to see if there's a story of his forehead tattoo. He called him twice for a ride. Home know arrested for abusing the system the system. they're filing a false criminal complaint His name is matthew letham of course it is from east from port. Richey the suburb of tampa. It sounds like you did something. Not entirely dissimilar to that. When i was in junior high but it wasn't nine one one. Yeah is it a is it during junior high knows it. A my girlfriend's house on late and my brother was with me. There was a kind of a party. Get together thing and It was like Like a two mile hike to get home now hike. Nece walk late at night in. Not in a very well lit. Part of the world should add. I mean there were street lights And i was tired. I wanna walk all that way so we went to the local small town police station. You know i say small. This police station was like the size of a double wide. And hey you guys give us a right. Oh no i laughed. Can we use the phone to make a call to get a ride. Yeah that you can do and of course. Yeah and i mean you. Were mom trouble calling from a police station. Yeah this guy was twenty. Two man in import ritchie. That's gonna be bigger city so give was arrested for one for a ride. I thinks so. Technically they got gotta mine to misdemeanor charges. Misuse of nine one. One possession of marijuana among those things were both going on at the same time. I'm honestly surprised at one harder. Drug that they got him on. He was just doing research for his thesis at florida state. in the total dedication to get the forehead is hoping that that gets them through his. Ma n i don't know see it or right Yeah i honestly. There is a whole sub reddit for florida man and some of these headlines are pretty funny. The florida man shot and neighbor according to his daughter in the huge in a heated dispute. Over ducks in jeeves. Well you know that'll happen like did they. Belong to one of them Let's see the ducks enjoy eating seeds. Which can lead to the destruction of local lawns. You know hold on. This was where what who got seeds in their lawn. If your lawn seed the ducks are going to be an improvement. I probably i mean unless you're playing eighteen grass seed on it but still then. It's not a lawn yet. yeah exactly you know. I bet it's one of those. Hsa's down there. There probably got him on that. Somebody who swings libertarian in my views. I think what the a lot of hsa's ours just it's kind of bullshit. Oh yeah the data. Lean people they have to tell. You can do your property if you look up. The term petty tie tyrant in the dictionary. You'll see a picture of h. o. a. Yeah yeah and we should spell that out for people. Who don't know the abbreviation. Moaners association is what we're talk. Yeah i've been a part of. I've lived in a community with an hoa before and it was really Pretty you know not so bad kind of not so bad. Hoa even still. I would never do it again. You could definitely understand that just reading a little bit more to get down here. Apparently there's one guy who liked the datsun was feeding them in than the other one saw them as a nuisance. Like with everything. I want to put a tree here. No don't put a tree there. St avenue down doesn't matter what you do somebody will be opposed to it. Yep i just. I don't know to me it kind of runs afoul of the laws of our country to have something like nhl. Where were they can beat people over the head to do what they want all launch. Yeah they can. They can sue you for not complying and find you and take you to court for compliance with through the civil system. Yeah and the rules are the rules. Are crazy picky. Sometimes like you know you can't have a vehicle parked on the street for more than an hour shit like that. Oh yeah no arvizu visible from from the street then it just goes on and on and on and what colors you can paint your your house and how often you have to paint it and so on and so forth and god forbid if you skip a week mowing the lawn. Oh yeah did you see Penn and teller's episode. They did a whole bullshit on. Hoa's and lawns yeah It was just absolutely amazing because this guy who enforces compliance with it would get all the way down to the species of grass that you could put in right literally yeah And there was this one fellow soldier fellow because this was florida where they were doing that. Who wasn't able to take care of his lawn and then he Lost most of his pension with the way intro crisis it now deer and so you wasn't able to keep up his house eaves. There and what alternately happened there the sheriff head to try to evict them and this guy ended up in jail so not just civil there was criminal complaint attached to it. Wow yeah but what was really cool about this story. There was another guy at contractor who saw the story that the news did this guy and he gets in his truck and he drives over there and starts to fix everything on that. Guy's house la for no chart nice. Yeah yeah definitely you know the people that sit on. The boards of homeowners associations are leading the charge. Well i'm not saying. I don't know if they're leading the charge on cancel culture but they're certainly cheerleading it. Oh yeah it's right up their alley. I wouldn't be surprised all if they were yet as exactly the same mentality We don't like it. We want you to get out instead of you know exactly I wouldn't be surprised at all. Live those two phenomena. Were dancing together as were yeah man. Oh yeah here's a here's a headline all right trades florida me and steals trained. Take some ten mile joy reid. What like a train train train train. Yeah like a big oil diesel engine train. Yup a train was taken for joy. road bell. Ocala police are trying to find the person responsible Wow so so. There's a lot play there. So first of all he'd have to know how second of all these things don't have keys in them. Apparently like maybe they're just relying on people not knowing how to drive them right. It's possible yeah. It's like a lot of airplanes. Don't have keys. yeah yeah. Because they're usually locked up at the airport. Exactly this is. I would think a- specialized yeah in the vein of islet and slip. He eventually so one of the reasons. Why is really dumb ideas. 'cause you know there's the railroad companies kinda wanna run things when they want to run them. Oh yeah yeah. And they are protected from things like lawsuits to win a cars parked on the tracks right. Well that makes sense yep Police said the company said someone started the train. Saturday then crashed through a fence in re in it for about ten miles crushed netra album. It's possible through a fence. That's directly from the article. I'm reading you know got kind of train yard. That is just a few miles away. From where i'm sitting right now and i've seen a number of train yards locally and around the country and world and i cannot ever claimed to have seen a fence that a train. Yeah yeah it at a totally agree with that there. I'm not sure how you would even do that. And go ten miles after. 'cause i'm the city can't jump the track though did they either. They didn't. I'm not sure. What kind of fence would be existing. There either weird. Yeah i mean. Train yards are so controlled and tracks and all that the the the the railroad industry has so much and needs to. Have you know very precise control over everything that moves over their lines and win and wear that. Oh yeah they don't even if they want to say hey. Don't go down this track. They don't put up a fucking fence around it. Just say hey nobody go there and then everybody knows not to go there. The maybe put some red lights up to say. Don't go but mostly they just keep anybody from actually using that stretch. Yes citing or what exactly. They don't need offense so it doesn't make that's bizarre able to get ten miles without crashing into another train is is. That's pretty lucky. Yeah ten miles is what got me with that. It's a long ways so weird it is it really is Let's see who said that there. One i mean it had to been on tracks because as soon as it got if it jumped rails it would just dig into the ground and come. It couldn't travel. Yeah even on concrete it would just tear it up and grind to a halt within a few yards. Yeah i mean basically the only thing you could be traveling on its inertia at that point. oh yeah here's a headline for florida. Mom shows up two daughters school wearing a boxing. Glove fights child gets arrested. The mom brought up boxing gloves to school to fight her own child or delayed i hold on fights child. It says it doesn't say her own some child. let me take. Yeah the boxing glove. Let's see edith riddle. H thirty four arrived at the school wearing a boxing glove telling school officials who was super glued to her wrists. Remove at stupid wounded last night. I mean who hasn't done that right. Superglued boxing gloves to their hand happens. The eventually people are morons. Oh yeah a jacksonville. Mother is charged with child abuse after a fight with another student on the campus of dupont in middle school in jacksonville. So that answers the other question. A school safety officer kurd the teachers quote frantic announcement over the school radio that there was a fight occurring outside the cafeteria at twelve fourteen. Em according that the report no no no no mind. You don't fight outside the cafeteria fight behind the dugout an hour after school. Everybody knows this and the rules exactly. Oh oh man. Let's see riddle had just exited. The school was her own daughter after a meeting with the vice principal on campus according to the report that the exiting the campus directly the daughter walked out of her way through the cafeteria to engage the victim in the fight. Maybe she's getting bullied and says my mom's going to kick the shit out of you. I don't know that implies that this woman went to the meeting with the principal already wearing the boxing glove. Does she knew exactly what she was up to when she left the house man. Yeah might just implied it's true. The report says riddle had the boxing glove on her hand when she arrived at the school. Yeah and had told the school. It was super superglued to a wrist. And she couldn't remove at then lowered gentler. Sex thinks women are nonviolent. Is never really met a woman. Just take a look at that. One with the boxing live case in point. Let's oh woman slams car into grandmother and child claiming she was trying to run over at someone else. I'm so sorry. I didn't mean to run over. Run you over your run over them both. Let's see those my bad stand up. Chaos unfolded at and no beach park last week. After driver was accused of slamming her car into a woman and a child. That driver took down a portion of a gate before driving into a playground and hitting a grandmother in her three-year-old grandson That part's not funny now. Just looking for the rest of it. Let's see so group arguing. I would attempting to run over different senior grandmother. Then i see someone put her out of the way you know. We never used to have this problem when kids walk to school. No no it seems like it's emperor years you it's put all a hit all these mothers spending a half an hour in line twice a day or you know sometimes you know they get out of their cars and they talk. You don't want that you don't want these mothers talking to each other. It's not good disley. They they smile but they don't like each other women don't like each other they don't of the of that fake stepford stuff to me. It's kind of a part of that anyway. Almost every woman. I've ever met his at some point told me that they don't like other women. Yeah with you know who. I'm cheryl exceptions. And sometimes those exceptions do not include family. No so the here. The whole school system has said. Let's put all of these mothers that don't get along proximity of each other twice a day just seems like a recipe for disaster doing that if they had a cage somewhere gives them all boxing cage in cage fight. That's how you who's first in line not who gets there first. Yep is you do not Good about florida fight. Middle school shot team mail. Discovery won't intimidate parents rights advocate. I'm a i. I couldn't make sense of that combination of words. Say it again. we can go back to it. After the story. It could be an unfunny scatalogical prank or a sign that political passions have reached a new low kina desk veg. A one time provide county school board member and co founder of the group. Mums for liberty took to social media sunday to report that someone mailed her a bag of excrement what. That's that's been going on since the mail service existed probably before then this one apparently was coming from pennsylvania. The return address plas- wonder why obfuscation of the original sender. I mean it could be. It's kinda weird though like here. We used to have our own sorting facility. But we don't anymore. They closed down so what they do is route the mail from illinois to missouri. And back just yet here. Yeah wow yeah. I mean Your tax dollars at work on just a second. i'm getting oh there we go. I was getting spanish language Oh it's a sack. I'm just gonna comment while he doing what you're doing there is that you know the shit. The mail gag This is not news. That's a dog bites man story that's been going on god. I bet nero gut you know. bag poop. On his doorstep even lightning on fire and men stump it out. Well see the center. Didn't originally set it on fire but you know with everything burning. It caught fire. Oh man this line says. According to the arrest at affidavit lula this guy was arrested for masturbating with pickle in florida Now i i've concluded i do not want to know the specifics of how that was taking place now known don't need it. I was just wondering because he was apparently on private property. But the arrest affidavit apparently says he wasn't the got him for exposing themselves in public. So here's a here's a legal question. And i'm sure it varies from state to state but if you are on your own property are you in public. Well that ominously depends are you. Let's see standing in your window or standing on your front porch arena yard. If any of those you are on your property but you don't have a reasonable expectation of privacy as does anybody walking by would see you right exactly but say for the purposes of say If you were standing on your porch and taking a piss that urinating in public. That's a good question whether it's on your Back Actually going to google it while reciting here. Are you if you're if you're drunk in your own yard. Are you out in public. I don't think that case you're not. I would think that that would depend more on the reasonable expectation. I d Than anything else. But honestly i'm not sure because it's just trying to make when Just need to know if in a needs to be in the backyard of planning ahead write And see in looking at the red florida woman says she wanted through tunnels for free weeks before being pulled from the storm drain. Why why at seems to. Yeah we're curious. Suspicious even see. It says here that she had a relapse of the freddie yarder yes substances or mental illness. I see it'd be a relapse in schizophrenic symptoms which case said sad weeks and surviving. How though that's my eds. I'm not sure she had to have something to hide. Raiders south in your in its sterile. It's not actually that's another bit of misinformation it's not really israel has not now. Look yeah don't listen to bear. Grylls no i don't listen to him anyway. At astle goes to hotel when he films. Oh this was a good one. This is actually kind of a hero. Me and points laser at church of scientology security cameras in the. That shouldn't be a crime. No they got him arrested on felony charges. The in that backup. Where and what the hell. I lost my window. Robbery harris seventy six said he just wanted to tell scientology quote. Icu while on the new walking tour of downtown. Church buildings in clearwater eva. Pretty big base there for people who don't know i don't know what the hell they call it It functions amway as well. Well l ron. Hubbard was kind of buddies with crowley right. I don't think he knew him. That well Personally but he was buddies with that guy I can't remember his name. He was a rocket. Scientist fought i. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. I can't remember the name right. Yeah i think he was buddies with him and then of course he aided psychiatry and psychology after they wouldn't publish see ted reinhardt. Who was not a member of the church. Launch the walk into february second as a way to de fi scientology's presents downtown harris's laser allegedly end up causing two thousand and ninety one dollars in damage to six security cameras on three scientology buildings. Yes e you know you know hilarity. Aside there is when Destruction of property. You're asked gone to jail ear. I mean we have to be philosophically consist insane. I agree although those shit at scientology deserve it. In my opinion they more than deserve. Yeah they're not good people not at all. Let's see yeah. Who was that guy who founded jpl. Who is involved with crowley in dammit names like on the tip of my tongue. Yeah that's it. it's who it was. I was just gonna search rocket. Scientists altus stiff. We didn't have it and those guys stole the other guy's wife it did. It was kind of open relationships all around by. Yeah the guy did do that though. Their sex magic. What have you. yeah. See florida man and florida woman. Show reverence for veterans by giving mutual oral in tampa art. You got going on there buddy. You definitely happy to see me. Thank you for the general back. Florida man forty-eight and woman forty-one arrested for lewd behaviour after he performed sex act on her in broad daylight veterans memorial. Said a couple from florida hours. Grant moulder forty-eight lorrimore bow forty one were caught by police in largo is near tampa alcott by. I mean they probably at least probably just walked up to. Hey stop gotcha in cheese and Oh my the the arrest staff. David describes it holy. Shit the defendant was lying on her back with her legs. Spread apart volva exposed. They actually put that into the arrest affidavit. As her boyfriend. That co defendant performed. Anita lingus on her to passers by on east bay. East bay drive which is a highly. Traffic's road by destory and vehicles. Furthermore this act was witnessed by your fiance in. Must've been laughing after you for that. In the arrest affidavit or maybe not it is florida after all it might actually be required by law that you give somebody your in a park and it must somebody. You don't want it from a probably written into the statute books in florida. That see florida. Man and san antonio city employees crashes city truck after stealing grills from spring. Ill grills yeah. That's what i was inc so on sunday. Her nando county sheriff's deputies responded to a residence on the eleven thousand block a belgian boulevard in reference to the report of a conveyance in petty theft. The victim reported he was inside of his home when he heard a knock at the front door. Upon answering the homeowner observed a unknown white male later identified as for dear old israel. Huron said the victim. I'm here for you. The victim mask. Huron you must've been mistake. In huron acknowledged the mistake walked away from the residents at is weird. The victim observed huron getting into white worked truck with an unknown symbol on the side. The victim quickly noticed to grills located next to his garage where missing the victim checked inside of his vehicle and found two packs of cigarettes and a lighter. Were missing that an hour. Following the incident deputies received a report of a traffic crash on emerson boulevard involving white truck which had hit a tree. And personally overturn. Hey image in all of the breadth and scope of the criminal masterminds of florida. This is why honestly this is why. I'm not a criminal. Because i i can't compete with this Thank you all the time just in the dust and it's embarrassing so i won't criminal activity because what are we. What do i bring to the table of this one. Got me as well. Florida coupled caught with stolen lamb. Aunts and purse full of seafood table forever if they put the seafood in their pants and the lamb in the sierra frozen lamb not just fresh because that could that could burn for sure. When would think i'll lou crazy Gentilly seventy one and veto gentilly eight seventy six hard time. Florida residents from brooklyn new york arrested thursday. Which would you want which you what you want for dinner. Schoolgain lamb. Just i don't get any money and scott takes a man just put some in your pants won't i couldn't tell the difference. I was down there. When i was giving you use my obligatory or last week a i bet one of them head tattoos probably sagging by now little bit or on the face. Oh my let's see. I'm still going down there at florida man arrested after pulling a gun on a cop after officer gave him a ride home. Take you'll never take me home alive. Copper man. I own grateful the half to be tell you so. Let's see trevor henderson. Ocala florida north. Florida man is charged with attempted murder of alarm of the law enforcement officer. After pulling a gun on the cop who had just driven him home loved. it says attempted. I attempted to pull a gun. He couldn't actually do it but he wanted to. Well what police officers as he got it right home. Well he probably didn't call nine. They'll be you didn't see. If the first guy had just flagged down a cop he wouldn't have been arrested. No probably not in. His charges are way lesser than this guy's failing depaula gun on a cop. Oh my pd officer jordan. Debtor gave henderson and his girlfriend arai. He'd after they appeared heavily intoxicated. Walking around downtown square. See attempted i wonder if they attempted the obligatory or al while neighbor in the town square or in the bathroom. Most likely now see okay. That is weird headline florida me and hired fate candidate with the same last name as the democratic candidate in successfully flipped and stole the election must be a grain of truth that it's from the miami herald thoroughly understand that headline hired. Let's see to do what former senator. Rt lays paid no party candidate more than forty a arrest warrant alleges the details surrounding a political. Who done it involving a former miami. Gop state senator a mysterious snow party candidate in an alleged scheme to sway the outcome of a key. Florida senate race came pouring out thursday. In the twenty five page affidavit. The alleged campaign should cane ary involved early morning facebook messages incriminating text in at the heart of it all tens of thousands of dollars undocumented payments in exchange for a ringer candidate to get his name on the ballot. I guess they were trying to pay this guy to confuse people in their rates you know when they Voting for one guy not yeah Yeah because how could anybody ever figure it out. That is quite the way to do voter fried. Let me tell you honestly you don't. Yeah yeah we will get into that topic because that's a. That's a bottomless. Well yeah it really is but this guy who who did this has gotta be like over seventy because i have no concept of how computers work most likely. I never ever heard of that and let me tell you being in illinois. I've heard quite a lot about voter fraud. Well illinois you know a clean election would be headline news. Basically basically florida million teacher and wife who is also a teacher arrested for smoking marijuana with their students if that was part and parcel every florida school. Well if you're in band or drama maybe unthinking of having sex with the teacher. Yeah that's different. What state was mary. Kay letourneau from right here in washington state. Oh it did not know that. Yep he's just the most high profile one very very much Hardly a month goes by where there's not a new Char charges fresh charges being filed against a female teacher somewhere in the country for sexual misconduct with students. Yeah it's i would be very it a lot of yes. Yeah exactly and they should apply the law equally. but they aren't. Yeah a ladies. If you want. Equality push for equal sentencing. Get your get. Make sure women get sentenced to the same amount of years for the same crime that the men get. When you start advocating for that. i'll believe you want equality and not just you know a watered down. You know special purpose. Version yeah i mean. Don't get me wrong. I still think that we should take a of the bullshit out of the criminal justice. That is absolutely true absolutely true. Yeah and and yeah. It has to be equally applied. If you want equality down gotta accept equality of the bad as well as the good. Yeah i mean. I'm who supports things like the Era that they've been looking to push it. They should absolutely he equal with that. In fact it's illegal for them not to be equal with that because of how the constitution well except that every almost every Crime has leeway in it for the judge and a rightfully so in a lot of cases. But you know it may be the same crime but person a did some were stuff than person b. So they shouldn't get the same sentence in the judges have factors right right. Judges have a fair amount of discretion in that And i would know. I'm sure they're not even aware of their own biases against men in sentencing But an unknown number. The numbers are clear. The number cleared have been You can go back as far as you want. Women get lighter sentences for the same crime. We're not talking about drug crimes here. Are we any crime drug crimes. I think need to be separated out from that because the federal law is what takes discretion from judges and a lot of those have mandatory sentences and mandatory minimums right but At yeah when there's you know when the judge has an opportunity to determine the length of a sentence Women get less. Just how goes it'd be bigoted at a lower rate than men. They get sentenced for fewer years than men I want that fixed dammit. Which amendment that was. But that is the fourteenth amendment for anybody listening which says that no state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the united states. Nor shall any state deprive any person of life liberty or property without due process to assets of law nor deny to person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. That last part is what we've been talking about the equal protection side. Yeah yeah absolutely. Hopefully we're getting to that sort of the plays soon. Yeah yeah We going down that road. I don't know well. It's something that i think we agree on with. You know the civil people civil rights. Yeah absolutely what the hell. Florida woman arrested at mcdonald's drive-thru for drunk driving was subsequently found to have an eight pack of vodka stashed in her bra s. Gotta be those little airline bottles interest as really big raw. Yeah yeah and and Most of those. I would think they wouldn't be talking about like a Enough is like what we sell. Because those are twelve ounce bottles knows would be a gigantic hide and they will come in a six pack. As far as i know so. Wow well wouldn't be ice for long. It wouldn't absolutely wouldn't drive and going through the drive through what the hell this is. Only in florida. Florida man killed in motorcycle accident with air. Oh yet that's motorcycles. Go lose at every time curious how that even happened. Oh man going down. the road. Bear jumped walked down the road Man from kelley has died after running into a bear on his motorcycle at some shitty luck. Say the forty two year old was writing west state road forty west of s. nineteen. According to the highway patrol bayer was west was in the westbound lane in the motorcycle is unable to avoid only florida headline. Hopefully his last thought wasn't nah. He'll move well in alaska that does happen but more than that. The real danger alaska and some of the northern states is moose. Yep i was just thinking of that. That's the hugest problem in like minnesota mothers from and they will as much as the car sometimes. Oh yeah they are much bigger than a white tailed deer. That's for sure Let's see all right one more make it. I was just looking ed by the way i saw. I have this pitcher. I have this picture. There was this driven around looking for scenery to photograph. And i came to this field where there had been a fire forest fire that had come over this ridge and through the field and there was this cool scotch pine tree in the middle of this field. Those burned only on half of it. Well and they had managed to put the fire out until half it was black and brown the other half was green and so i got out to take a picture of it and while i'm setting up to take this picture. Here comes skipping across this. Feel a deer bong boy while and so i get a couple of shots of it. It's fairly far away and it's not coming towards me. It's moving laterally across my vision. And i watched this deer and it runs all the way over to the fence line under a tree and then it stands there under the tree now. This is on a small country road. This is very rural area. There's no traffic notre and so this deer stand in there for a couple of minutes and then sure enough. I hear a car coming from behind me. And i'm like oh my god no. It's not really gonna is it is. It's going to do this. What an asshole. Dear it waits 'til this car is almost on it before it runs across the street in front of this car. It literally waited for the car to get there running across the street. Dear are that they are you know. They're one of the bigger killers in the natural world in north america because they eat the berries and the fruits that the birds light in a lotta areas. But oh yeah has debt last one florida man climbs playground tells kids. Were babies. come for this guy's got tattoos all over his face to authorities say a florida man climbed on top of playground equipment and yelled vulgar explanation of where babies come from as the children played. An officers said he watched thirty year. Old dwayne ryan climb on top of the beasts of equipment where children were playing sunday and start shouting at babies. Come out of women. The officers said ryan used inappropriate language. Parents rushed to remove their children from the busy playground earlier in the day. Yeah a guy who would do that is not in the right state frame of mind to be children. Yeah i mean. I know i don't i don't against the rights. They they got him mine. A disturbing the peace are okay. But i would argue that this guy. You probably didn't have a good mind to do much of anything with these face tattoos. Yeah victory i should them in the slide. Show i'll send it series a guy with face tattoos there. Oh this geyser. Yeah they're a little more trip a well in a net. I don't mind so much face. Absolutely not yeah. Yeah you've got a really want people to not want to hire you. Yeah exactly make them uncomfortable as hell. I mean i have a few tattoos on both my arms that they can be hidden right pretty easily speaking of which i need to get my Sleeves done sometime. Yeah i don't like slaves to roll him up. So i couldn't have to sleeve. Tattoos considered getting tattoos couple of years ago. And here's my problem. i would. I can't think of anything that i would want. Tattoo that i wouldn't want to change my mind about if in like six months that's true for a lot of people and in fact it's why all of them on my body are masan I know that days. I'm not out of the masons as is sure they're gonna be around for very long kind of a fly by night outfit. Oh yeah i mean basically all of mine. Although i do have the gadston flag my arm to and then a Picture of a widow's pillar biz. What they call it. It's the Masonic sign of morning with my buddies name under it. Who shot himself shotgun so. I know that stuff's not going away another thing interesting about that win. Totalitarian governments would make mason's go underground like during the second world war morin big soon that they would do to identify themselves as affiliated is to get a tattoo of the symbolism. Which so many of them have we any of them. Yeah any of them that we have in our agrees so so nothing obvious like the compass and square that would obviously identified easily identity. Yeah yeah nothing like that. I mean it might do one like the skull and crossbones would be one. What i see. Hide heard rumors that masons were pirates. But i didn't know they would actually use symbolism openly like that. let's in. Blackbeard was a mason trusting. Just wait till the aluminum Sober the world. We've already heard on little hammers and alien probes inside al jones's asked so. Why would they aliens want to go there. I had no idea at all. We do have alien life in on the space station. Apparently you're i saw that little bit for mars. Wasn't it no no. No they don't work. Came from is nektarios That the that the astronauts scooped up from around the the space station and they sit back to earth for analysis and some of it was they they identified and there's like three three two six samples that are unknown to science. 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 What A Relief!  Podcast 115:  Lets Talk Some Census Into You

What a Relief! The IRUSA Podcast

29:48 min | 1 year ago

What A Relief! Podcast 115: Lets Talk Some Census Into You

"I'm the Child of immigrants and their agreement and Hustler where there's a little bit of hesitation about aging. But I remember when this success occurred in. The envelope came in the mail. My Dad had my sisters and I sit around dinner table and say this is very hurt. Welcome relief podcast. How many people live in your neighborhood? No town city or the entire nation. An accurate count of how many people reside in a country can determine the amount of funds that are allotted for services that people depend on. It said that the Prophet Muhammad Sellers sell them conducted one of the earliest senses of Medina to sure up. The city's defenses later. Khalifa Omar regularly conducted a census to ensure proper distribution of wealth amongst the poor in the community. The twenty twenty cents. This is here. I sat down with some experts to find out what it's all about I are. Usa has partnered with the census to inform and prepare our community to participate. So let's get on with the show all right good afternoon and welcome you guys to the podcast So I to my right. We have Chicago Chicago. Med and to her left is Sierra. Letham she goes through. Could you introduce yourself to the to the audience lesson although about you and your work with the Census Responsible Anthem and Devi for inviting the US since the spirit of participant in this podcast? I'm with the US. Census Bureau and as I mentioned also wish the National Partnership Program With See US Census Bureau and that's a program that's dedicated to establishing partners like Islamic Relief USA. So thank you to help the word out about the two thousand twenty cents and in that role. I oversee a team. That's in charge with engaging the faith community from from the National Organization side and I also am in charge with Managing Federal Agency engagement with the twenty cents campaign. Also Hi. I'm Sierra Letham. I am the democracy for the city of Alexandria So in addition to having an interest in the twenty two thousand census as a person who will ultimately be using the data it generates I also am stopping our cities. Complete Count Committee are complete. Count Committee is tasked with encouraging every single Alexandria resident to respond to this twenty two thousand census And also we make sure that people know what to expect from the twenty twenty cents so that they're not surprised when it shows up at their house So that everyone feels safe and comfortable taking it all in and that's kind of what we're doing here is to kind of make sure to people aren't surprised. Or whatever in the people in our network of the Slavic relief or donors supporters volunteers to get a better sense of what exactly is a census. So if I ask that question to you guys what. What exactly is the census question actually? The census is account. It's it's a of every person living in the United States so the fifty states the district of Columbia and then also includes defined. Us territory. So that's what the sentences in a nutshell incurred awesome And why is it exactly? Is it an it's needed with what's his need? I guess maybe we can talk about her new. Some of the federal may be from local level. Assure all start so. The census provides critical data to lawmakers business owners teachers and many others in provides for them to provide daily services products in support for you in your community It provides a snapshot of our nation. Our population where religion so much more and I think folks may not realize it but Each year using census data it informs the distribution of billions of dollars six hundred seventy five billion dollars in federal funds. Go to hospitals gonNA fire departments schools roads and other resources based on census data. And I think most familiar most people might be familiar with the the. The function of this is to inform the number of seats each states will have in the US House of Senate. As I think most people are familiar with that in in that census data is used to to draw congressional state legislative districts that's articulate in in the US Constitution. And how often does it happen? So the census has been occurring since seventeen ninety. And we've had a count of the country's population every ten years since then in for the Twenty Twenty Cents This campaign in Amar Twenty fourth time conducting a census communities twenty four. Yeah I I hear it. I are just celebrated twenty five years. So I'm this way Number rings a little bit for me but the question and for you again like when the local side I mean Why why do you feel? It's needed or or what? What does it mean to you? Locally here Ellington Alexander Sheriff so So tissue disappointed allocates federal resources. So that's the one that I usually lead with Last year the city of Alexandria budget included thirty nine point seven million dollars that were allocated based on census data alone from the federal government and that includes things that we care a lot about like the school lunch program Like head star like Medicaid so these are things that really serve our populations who are most vulnerable And so we WANNA make sure that We get our fair share of those resources based on our current population and also It helps us serve our populate population fairly and equitably in order for us to serve folks and plan for where we are going to be serving folks. We need to know where they're living whether located And from the equity side of things we need to know if there are certain subgroups that are living in parts of the city. So if we You know locate our resources where there's the densest population inadvertently be serving some populations At a higher rate than others and we want to have data and evidence to prevent us from doing not so that we can kind of measure. our efficacy in meeting those goals. Excellent Excellent And just generally went. When I think we talked about two to last time you guys were here visited at. I'm trying to remember. I can remember when I was a kid my mom and doing it and and I feel since every ten years am not only ten years old so I should have been participating More often and comes back to the question of is it a mandatory thing and and Or How's that work was like somebody like you know I haven't gotten a call for you. Know like forty years like years old now. I haven't gotten too many calls. At least been out of my house has released twenty. So it's a great question. Yes it's actually. Mandatory actresses count for us. Is it's critically important for the reasons I articulated before in. That's why the responses required by law so article one section to the US Constitution mandates the country the population every ten years so participating censuses required by law even if you recently completed a survey for the US Census Bureau in the intervening years. So there's a simple survey that's connected for other purposes but even if you participate in that survey you are required to participate in the census which happens every ten years in merged any even. I mean no matter your I guess like immigration status. We WanNA get a actor account not someone like my family. Visiting from Canada shouldn't participate You know anyone who's here for a extended period of time or as a machine you can find more specific information on those specific living situations. Twenty Census Dot Gov Sale. I don't want to have your address every complex situation in this podcast run too long but if if there is someone who is for example studying from abroad in the United States. They're counted If you're part of the embassies in the consulates in your part of diplomatic community in the United States you're counted but if you're taking a business trip from abroad for on a temporary basis you're not counted incurred no forms. Anyone who's living in days refugee or nonce They're counted in census every ten years. Glad I'm actually glad you asked that question. That's one of the things that we've been Trying to clarify at the city level so the city of Alexandria Twenty nine percent of our entire population was born outside of the United States so in our conversations with people we've had some people say well I know that I don't need to complete the census because I'm not a citizen but I need to complete it for my child and so- emphasizing that we want to count every single resident in the United States is really important And also I think that it's important to remind folks that even if you're not a citizen we want to make sure to serve you since you are residents in our community on Alexander's. Look what. How do you get Mrs? That people know it's mandatory. I mean for me. I didn't know again. I'm probably one of the more well informed because I got to sit down and you guys were on a panel. You guys. We're doing the discussion. Like what types of things are you know so people know that you have to you you have to do this sheriff so In our messaging. We have actually Not emphasized that point as much. We're trying to make people wants to complete this. So we were using kind of that kind of persuade. Yes so And that he's been early on I was just writing a quick message to be sent out through renews. Nice said everyone is required. Respond to the census in our communications people came back and said do we have to say required and I explained that yes. It is required to respond to the census But I heard that from a few other people as well and so we really are kind of trying to emphasize that It's important because it gets resources into your community and also that it's important for us to know where every single person is and also that it's safer people respond to the census of those who are kind of the things that we emphasize We don't really have a very strong messaging around the fact that it is mandatory when I was also remember I remember Like just thinking of ways of people participate because I can remember in my head now. I'm hearing some of the radio. Commercials like Stan can count wondering you guys like having rappers come in and do like a little. We got a little song free. That's going to help. People learn promote promote too sensitive name. Un and SIERRAS touching upon. Some of the thinking happens at the. Us INSYS executives point so we so we talked to folks talking to pop up to about the disengaged census. We say we don't if you don't answer the census question on your own folks will knock on your door in the follow up with you to encourge yourself response to make sure you respond on your own. Because that's ultimately was going to be the most accurate response and it's it's ultimately the least costly option for the US. Federal Government in Sierra in the city of Alexandria exemplifies partnership. Why are we relying trustee voices city the Alexandria in Islamic Relief USA for example to connect With Islamic community or the president of the city of Alexandria to convey the benefits that we discussed a little bit earlier about participating in the census in. It's it's your trusted voices connecting to your community members that can help to facilitate. We don't like to penalize folks that don't participants really like to foster culture of encouraging people to participate the for all the reasons that we were taking related though so we found through research that that folks are otherwise it when they hear about the benefits. I mean it's it's your. It's your hospital food stamp of the implications implications on into if you don't participate that's potentially what's affected and that's one of my question was to ask like what what happens like. Are there any examples of things that like things that got less funding or or what happens when people don't participate that are there any kind of like On things that come to mind Soon burned in the business of county people not so much informing that are all budget decisions over the. Us Census Bureau is in position to speak to that maybe Sierra has more specific information she can provide but we do have in tacit resource. You can google you can find it. There's a list. There's a report that was developed by the. Us Census Bureau that identifies many many federal program which Sierra mentioned for example Food Stamp Ground Medicaid. Medicare other grants that are informed using Census Dana snuggie. Some sort of an of an idea of the potential impact. Exactly Am I. Don't I don't have a specific example. Where an undercount lead to a potentially bad outcome but One of the kind of resources that we have used as something that's generated by the Census Bureau so after every census do post enumeration surveys to figure out How well they did in the census count And they've identified certain subpopulations that are Typically undercounted and children under the age of five or one of the most undercounted groups throughout the United States I was surprised as well. And it's it for different reasons depending on what families those kids are coming from But it doesn't appear to be race specific or ethnicity specific just just aged kids more on important enough to be it's only people who are working in And one of the programs I mentioned was head start which specifically targets children under the age of five and so if we are systematically under counting our kids under the age of five. We won't know that we need additional funding for headstart So those are the sorts of things that we really care about. All right let's talk Specifically like how it's done and how it's conducted in and get a I keep talking about when we I do. Remember someone coming to my mom's house when I was younger and sitting down and helping her fill out some forms I mean because she was my mom's really civic minded and wanted to make sure that we were count at you know Um so how. How is it exactly as it conducted so by April I went twenty every hole? Receive an invitation through the mail to participate in the Census and in that mail invitation. You have the option to fill out your census for the first time three ways so the traditional method which is mailing Then you had the option which is actually offered in thirteen languages. Thirteen most commonly spoken language is and the third option which is to. The census is filling out your online. And we want to emphasize that this is safe secure and we put in the appropriate to calls to make sure your information is kept secure through through the online platform in particular And you can even respond using your mobile device owner. It was the first time ever or so. It can be on my cycle on so yes. We're pretty excited about that. For anything locally. That kind of like make Are Are there any any of these methods that you guys are like Bush even more or we do so we Are Very attentive to the fact that we are going to be able to complete the Census Online. So for the first time ever we're going to be able to use local resources to actually provide people with an opportunity to respond to the census So the city Alexandria as part of our budget for the Complete Count Committee is actually purchase fifteen ipods and we're going to be holding events throughout the city to allow people to respond to the census We got the really secure privacy screen so that people will not have to worry about anyone shoulder surfing But also people will be able to complete the census at our libraries public libraries of the computer And we're training our library staff so that they can help people and they know what they're allowed to do and what they're not allowed to do in terms of helping people at the twenty two thousand census And that's really important especially in some of our senses tracks where we have You know twenty five percent of households that don't have any kind of access to the Internet at home And so we WANNA make sure that people have other places. They can go outside of their home so that they can complete the census as early as possible So that they don't have to make a friend with a friendly neighborhood center We also are a friend was really hopeful but yeah been out being kind of independent people prefer that but so It was was thinking when you were saying. This is is No I've lost Well beyond Beyond okay so again the start and end date for the census again with the start in date. Or is there in day or sue technically? We will end all data collection by July first at July. Thirty rather twenty twenty. But we recommend folks to respond as soon as possible as I mention if that mid-march period when when everyone's GonNa get an invitation to start participating in in the senses in all go up until July thirty first and through the process of folks aren't responding I who like like your experience with your mom. There'll be some census takers takers. Who WILL NOT BE NEAR DIRT to make sure that you're responding to get the most accurate incomplete count in has also relying on partners like yourself to send out reminders inquiry since his messages in your familiar space as you know for religious leaders inquiry them in the disturbance in the visor. I've everybody's kind of socially savvy house twitter campaigns lead. It remains instagram campaigns. Just just a national long to make sure that they're responding because when you're responding you're on how you minimize the chance of having someone show up at your having. A lot of folks are a little hesitant to open the door for certain folks so we encourage a responsive that the census takers don't have to respond to your door and review that they'll be well if you if you know a because there was in particular I did want to know more about like partnerships like because like you said this is a partnership I are is Letting ca in our sphere of influence of friends and supporters. Volunteers donors whoever it to make sure that they know the census is happening and and that the importance of them being Being counted now. How can you tell me more about just the how partnerships partnerships to partnerships work? Are there any any? Are there any really interesting ones that I mean beyond the one with Islamic relief well soup partnerships like the city of Alexandria and Islamic Relief? Usa are are so vital to the success of the twenty two thousand census. You all are the reason that we're able to achieve an accurate intimately count at the. Us population again. You are are the trustees voices and we've learned over time at the. Us Census Bureau Dat. We need to work with local communities and boots on the ground folks. And that's why we got fifteen hundred partnership specialists from the. Us Census Bureau. Who often come from Nick. The local communities they engage to make them aware about that twenty cents s and ultimately hopefully get them to complete this so we have a number of partners at that. We've brought aboard from the from national organizations whether they're faith based organizations whether they're corporations whether their city governments state governments Congress people. We have fantastic partners so we have for example. The Episcopal church is a is a great partner ambition Michael Peru just tape a PSA encouraging his congregation to participate in. And we're hoping to get everyone in all people to sign on to be a partner to really convey the importance of the census for for their community so any- local Alexandria type partners. That you guys are so. We're still kind of developing the formality of our partnership program But we have been reaching out to Community based organizations primarily up. We also really hope to engage the business community and I really liked to give folks a menu of different ways that they can participate with us as partners So the lowest effort thing that people can do is just distribute matric material so we had develop print materials for the city of Alexandria that borrow very heavily from stuff that's produced by the Census Bureau to make sure that we have all of our facts straight and that we're not contradicting each other People can put up a poster in their window. People can be trained to census ambassadors which is kind of what we're calling our trained volunteer stuff so that they can answer all those difficult questions people might have about the census And that in particular is really important because those are the people who are really going to be the trusted messengers in their community more so than the complaint. How committed yourself so you know if I go into one of our Hispanic communities for instance start telling people why the census is important. I not the person they're necessarily going to trust or want to hear that from but they might be open to the idea of hearing about the census as they're waiting at the laundromat from someone who works in their community already And so so. Developing those relationships is really important so that we can First off diffuse the workload so that's not just one person talking to everybody But also so that the messages people are receiving are really tailored to their experience on what's going on in their lives. Were excellent excellent. I mean she did she just came up and I know you wanted to tell us about maybe Other opportunities I mean like if one making sure all of our listeners and people involved they are participating in being counted but there are also other ways that people may be able to get involved in St Louis C. Two things first is folks that are a little hesitant to participate in two senses and I know. Sometimes people are a little hasn't zero unsure about the safety of the information. They WanNa make sure that I emphasize that the US Census Bureau employees like myself. Even though I'm assigned to the Census Bureau and temporary basis I take an oath for life to protect information. The individual provide through for the sunset. And so we face pressure on penalties. If we don't uphold that and by law we cannot share census information with law enforcement agencies for example in we cannot use that information to determine your personal eligible for government benefits. We don't share it with other agencies so I WANNA make sure I who are a little hesitant to participate that these are really strong protections that we haven't placed along with other other protections cybersecurity potential for folks responding online In terms of of the desire to really engage with the local communities we're turning gauge with community that date sign up for thousands of since his jobs available all throughout the country. You can find out more information about that. On twenty twenty cents is dot dot dot jobs in. It's a fantastic place to look for. What are the needs for this often? We're looking for folks who are speaking a specific language as because they can connect with those communities in particular. I imagine. That's what's happening in the city of Alexandria Sarah. I'm sure she can speak to that. So and so So I thank you for the Segue so I actually did want to mention one thing about the census enumerators that we've talked about a couple of times So the folks who are working on hiring in from the Census Bureau of actually been in conversations with me and so we kind of try to benefit each other and try to Support each other when we can One of the things that I like to tell people about census enumerators is that they're actually hired from the communities where they're going to be working so When you have someone knocking on your door asking you about the and might be someone you sought the grocery store money sally. You're getting coffee. It's not going to be someone from two states over who doesn't talk exactly so And they're trying to hire people who speak languages that are commonly spoken in those areas And you know when I do talk about the jobs I do mention that. They're they're really beneficial especially for people who might have a day job and just want to pick up a couple of hours doing sense. Numerous in the evening And so I think it is a really great opportunity in a way to involved That is not a on a volunteer basis by his still very critical to making sure that every single person gets on it. I mean it begs the question for me like for both of you guys like your own. I mean especially you as a demographer. Do you like really excited like every ten years. You're just like Oh my God. We're going to go do it again. Guys WE'RE GONNA find out. Who's out there and we are is it is. It is excitement of this. Like for you guys. Or what other the exciting parts of or of your participation. You're trying to encourage people to sign up to be some of these. What are the things that get you excited about participating in this to me personally and I think it goes back to what you're saying And the Child of immigrants in their agreement in a household where there is a little bit of hesitation about engaging but I remember when this insists occurred in the pig. Fat Inflow came in the mail. my dad had my sister's is it around the dinner table and say this is very get hurt. This is where we count eneg Rubin at five Sunny American will only in hearing that. I have to tell you that kind of inspired me to you to join us and to really talk about the importance of not only participating but spreading that message among all communities Also Denard and other lifestyle on economic economics and policies that are provide evidence and data driven decisions in census. Data is the gold standard for making so as a fellow data nerd. I agree So I mean everything that I do is supported by census data If I didn't have data from the census then I would either have to conduct surveys on my own which is very costly. Um and imprecise but So I really value since data for that reason. I'm particularly excited to see what comes out of the twenty twenty census Just because the city of Alexandria such dynamic place and it has been evolving and changing over time In just the past Thirty years of doing math correctly We have seen our Hispanic population for instance Rise from five percents to seventeen percent and that's That kind of demographic change is one of the things that makes me very excited to both live and work in the city of Alexandria that We're in an area that is becoming increasingly diverse and census. Data's really what tells me how diverse re becoming where people living? How are we interacting with each other? And where can we do a better job of interacting with each other and people who aren't necessarily like us or some excellent all right? I think we're con a low close to the end of our time together. But I wanted to know. Were there any other plugs or any other comments and our hope that listeners really did get a chance to understand the senses. Take a little bit of fear factor if there is any fear factor and then and and. I think like you were just saying like that. That feeling of being recognized you know. And that's part of the people want to be recognized. They want to you know know that we are here in. That's what this is kind of saying to The world that we have. We're here as a family as this culture as you know. What have you so Where are there any other Point said YOU WANNA bring up. We come to a close. Can't cover ever scenario podcast. Right WanNa make sure that folks knew about a great resource. It's twenty twenty cents. Dot Gov questions about how to count your college kids that are living in dorms versus living off campus or what happens to the relative that stays six months a year versus eight months year versus for months. Imagine it happens a lot with immigrant communities those resources addresses questions in so populous. Podcast isn't the only source of reference. I hope you've really visit those that website in address any of those answers here and for our neighbors here in Alexandria where I are based in the NFL LOSS. Pieces for them share So one thing that I really like to say is that Responding to the twenty twenty cents. This is important for everyone as we've addressed here but I like to say that it doesn't matter whether you're born here whether you've got here ten years ago or whether you got here ten days ago You count and you deserve to be hounded on the twenty. Two Thousand Census Another thing I like to share is that participating in the census is your way to participate in the civic process. Even if you're not a citizen of the United States And then the last thing I will close with is that I am Staffing the city of Alexandria is complete count committee but they're complete count. Committee is all over the United States. So if you are living in a different place than You might want to join your cities complete count committee and even if they're not accepting new members at the time. I am positive they are accepting volunteers There are complete committees that are both at the state and local level and also I know that community based organizations especially in some larger places are managing their own committees twenty cents. A second you can. You can find out where the specific things we. Can't he answer on your single area out there again? Thank you both Sierra. And after for being with us this afternoon and thank you listeners for tuning into another weather early podcast and till next time so.

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Chats With Cats Podcast

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Episode - 23

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Swing actually when My ex girlfriend and we would travelling europe and Shea convinced me to go on the swing in amsterdam which went over the edge of like a high building fifteen stories up and swung back and she was like ma. You're going to do it. I don't want to a high heart. She's like we're on holiday. This is the time you're going to get to this. I did it a hide it. But after i'm so happy i did that because you realize that you weren't gonna be dead. Well yeah when. I got off. Yeah it was scary as hell like the whole also looking out like i don't even want to acknowledge her heart. I am about the ground because it was so scary to thank you for that because she convinced me to get on. I think the people that hate hearts when they're looking at doing something that there's no value in it for them. It's a fia until it's over then you get that feeling. That's what i'm getting. What value the people get out of it. I mean why do we think enjoyment. But like i just thought you know when you get on a rollercoaster and it ends and then you go. Oh my god. Now that i've done it. I'll do it again. That doesn't happen for me. Many what happens to me is a guy donna student want to do it again of of ticked it off but there is nothing telling me that i wanna do it again. There's nothing there's no enjoyment you on like. I went to quainton recently. Which i've told you guys about windsor. All the theme parks and adid going a couple of grades thought. Let's get value for money out of this and to be honest. Most of the big rods. That were like high and roller coaster. Very uncomfortable of jolting are really level of and i think there's a few things for me. I don't really care you rod something happens. There's nothing you can do about it. You've made the decision to go on. So don't let the fear of being the ruin the experience for. That's more more. I personal opinion but i also really love scott. Having an example. I love the point of view like when he was going to experience being fifteen thousand above the ground and being at a watch and say the expense that you can see and as you going down and then the parachute pools and you one. So the shoot around doesn't open and then oh yeah that happened to me. The other day was. It doesn't gets back to one of our first podcasts. There's always at risk a risk but there's a risk of everything he or you're not going to walk into not but you could leave tomorrow in your car and a but here's the thing when you're driving in that car and you're driving on there's never any fee thinking about it. It just happens if you were to have a car accident with skydiving. It's like or bungee jumping. That fear is always with you that entire time. Potentially it's even there before you start doing it. Yeah that's the problem. But i get your point. And that's a great point the chances of being in a car accident a more heart than if you would have bungee jumping scott but it's the fact that we've got control over that to where has got and you really like the idea of pashcal. Haida this this. Dan next to this brushing. Swing thing that you've told us about and i didn't know what that wasn't. He explained it. So i'm glad it was something on you. But it reminds me of like being on big hearts and paper doing stuff like scott. It's pretty controlled environment. Now you say like a lot of videos on youtube gauze like running a wall one story haw than doing a flip dan. Steak is sort of co. i'm all for love. i think it's very scuffle. Awesome but these fuck heads that climbed skyscrapers and jumping from fucking roof to roof. And i'm talking like some some people you say like one hundred stories up and just dangling off a roof fuck can diet that i just fucking hope that you told me before we filmed that you just haida. Even watching the videos makes stomach drop. I just think that the biggest fuck indicates and not only are they putting their lives at risk for not being in a controlled environment but if they do fall one they can hit someone on the ground and kill them. That's good point to the emergency. Says is after clean. They body fucked up. It's very selfish thing today. Your fucking haida of. I'm not bill. I'm one hundred percent in agreeance with everything you've just said percent so there's all sorts of things that are risky in life and something that you don't lock is the risk of giving a partner you pass code few fine. Well you you're married. You have a girlfriend engagement. Congratulations you please. Tell me that your girlfriend slash slash fiance slash. Whatever your situation is out there. Please tell me that you are not giving up your pass code two one on the same passcode. Wow what's the reason for them needing to go into your phone planning on. She'll be doing some work for her work and she'll be halfway through an email and use more fun to maybe get into an app and she doesn't wanna close down these interviews. Both sometimes sometimes barnaba. She'll have could donate to not for a one two task three times a week. I've got nothing to hide. There's like that's martha got nothing. Hardly nothing at all on the if you're and doing the wrong thing and united slaughter or something. What about what about search history. What about secrets she can. She can have a look at it. If she's got she's got ta porn history on that i'm gonna pull you too often selling and this is gonna be controversial but it needs to be mentioned you to that. There's going to be listening that. I can be listening closely to this particular topic. Co out and say you eliza in your best interests this that say what they want to hear. What the fuck did you decide your so proud of that sentence but not anyway talk if you would say something controversial right now. They're obviously not going to like it is in your best interests. The just tell them what they want to hear. That's what i'm saying. I'll see what i get. Hey saying that right jewel of of your said in the last podcast Listen to this off. Allison listens to which is when made his away. I thought you were talking about other people listening. Not not my partner. Okay now like you can ask it stirring up. This isn't doing micro levin point you do because I don't think alison listen to every single. But she listened to the sport. Yeah thanks alison cheese. Yeah it's not something that i'm saying or doing on the podcast for any reason you could ask you know. This is china over the years raw and some of the social media platforms have actually changed their tacked on it as well. Do you remember back when instagram was. I sort of in this first. Few years around you could go into one of the fields on instagram. And you could see what the people that you follow have locked. So i would be able to see if rachel had been on just locking photos of gaza. The gm as an example of that share would be to say. If i had been doing the same thing you can't say that now it's a lot more private now. you can. What you gonna facebook and you talk photos like by mark reynolds and they all come up. Did you mark now. But i should indeed mark mark reynolds like. Oh what a good chance of cat. this is mark. yeah seriously you that now. I don't believe you sure you show me later. I look if you from what you about said. If you share the same pass guide. I think that just chose it. You guys have healthy relationships and maybe artist have no idea. Because i'm single and have no idea and it's the same passcode so that means that it's not like i'm thinking my perspective looking in is like passcode issue is like if someone is trying to get into your foreign. They're trying to look at things they shouldn't be looking at. That's completely wrong. You're talking about like he was saying they're going into your fine raisins that have nothing to do with that but the thing is like i'll leave my phone. Unintended with her for an hour. Why go have a shar go do something in the garage or whatever and if it goes off it goes off. There's not one thing that's gonna panic me laughing it garage hans clean and then go in there and think about. How much handyman could be. If i mean just for just for listeners out there are no you. There's some people that might be listening in the thinking. I have my partners past card. And i'm wanting that passcode for raisins that you guys aren't even talking about messages. The search history like is my boyfriend slash go slash wives looking at poll. And if you're thinking about it is what is the porn. I if you're worried about what's going on on your husbands boyfriends girlfriends fine. That's a red flag red flag already and it could be a red flag with you. It means you're insecure or you'd have no trust or they've done something to break you trust and i don't know if that can last let's say of just got a flood of vice book friend requests and register who who rural these sixty european blonde requesting recon facebook. She open stop and they look so beautiful. Touch me that russia is in a neat little trick. He did then. Well didn't spill any. You actually save half of a half hand very but anyway back to the rushing us. How many do you get a dire awake. Not so many but on a you get. I'll probably let's be one every day one one every day And especially lately like three or four weeks ago. Maybe one week that the last couple of days. They've been really hitting up. So i'm gonna hot list. Webcam come get me from russia to social media background as you know i get a get one day and every time every time. Sure enough or click on. I am in guy. Maybe maybe today they're going to be a genuine person sure enough twenty four seven like webcam sex not again and you wonder where these photos are coming from. These laws must be searching. You don't think about that girl that innocent girl with the display pitcher. What if she would say that. Her photo was being used to like trying. It's fact isn't it. How do you know that it's not on the webcam. Have you signed up a few odd disciple. Label would be ready for tom. Do do you think social media to stop here. I'm just laughing. I'm just happy joy. What do you think he's laughing at wasn't that funny. Do you think people that catfish is that a scam is all that sorta shit could be a radical added. Facebook were like you get one account prison body and if you wanna use facebook for business will give you up to two or three cats. But at least every is linked to approve of audie it eliminates all this shit. I think that's a great idea. And then michael knows that the little russian blonde that's offering a two four seven webcam logging. He's actually cute russian blonde. He's he has a point it would make lawful holidays. You did a great and the heat's on his credit card would be a lot less anyway. Takes him about five seconds to log into his two. Four seven webcams. It can't so let's do that that that was the ultimate said it was here. We go all going to get my fingertips on name. Three animals beginning with the letter s serpent and shaef shape and the serpent in a snake is the same thing you can tell those juggling. Okay rick name. Three autumn's you find a first aid kit. Bandaids bandages and seizes our. This is your jam name three. I teams that have won a flag between two thousand ten and now too long sydney off on those richman although he did not far good rick name three will smith movies men in black legend and many black to he said legend. I am legend. dan don't do. you've already takes. aim kickoff. the film is legend. It's i am lead. I am legend and also last week Said when he said letham one two and three. I said when may we should make a role from now on rush him. Naming naming seku's is completely fawn. The movies arm legend not legend. We you started yelling at me halfway through. Yeah i'm trying to put you off for now on. We always want. We're not doing you can't go. He's only been in many movies. Say pocahontas twenty four twenty five twenty six. It's not happening. Never played kandasamy. One left are up named three ways to start a conversation with gail in a bar. I how you doing. Well toots i. What time does this club shop now. And it was three ways. It wasn't say three things buyer drank. What would've you said pick up lawn frick. A bit of aggression in this five seconds should be competitive. Rick name three things you can put around your penis. I'm glad i didn't get that. Because you know what i would have said to. A scarf is not acceptable. Well it was too late they ever code. Johnson might have a fantastic sex. Fuck me off. Congratulations do you know what he copay private numbers. I'm just getting the bob all but never even prank somewhat of a private number. I have not since high school if i get code on a private number. I don't know about you guys. But i can't help. Pick up the phone on some no pecan on a non east but until my eighty four days of scam. Kohl's from the god that said coca cola had bad reviews. I used to pick up every province number. The curiosity got the better of now. I just let it go. I figure if someone's something important to say takes message or voicemail off on that. I don't know if you call them prank but scam colds and stuff like that. Actually come from my phone number yet. I do in hang up like after about five seconds. Yeah so profit numbers my parents. I'm fine is a private number. Saw pick up private numbers. That's fallen. But no i won't be tempted to know who's calling is a part of me. That goes if five nights never know who was an imagine if like a raging at for some sort of raisin and unable to pick up that cole living world number. I'm gonna fuck with the head for now and then what if. Let's go friday this week. You get a cold from a. We'd mobile number. Rachel had a car. Crash phones been destroyed and genie's again contact with you pick it up because you don't like it and then you find at three hours later. She let's say she does because horrible but something really bad. This is all. That's an awful so again on a main to segment things and putting caveats things same listening. No no if it's a mobile phone number. I'll pick it up but if it's a landline number that i don't like a lot of these numbers notice. I'll get phone calls from the united kingdom. Yeah auto know anyone. Ray and may from the united kingdom popular gar. Thank you so if it's a mobile phone number. Not picking up this vaughn if it's a landline number and especially if it's like redirected through western australia or something like that. I'm not expecting from any of those places noise. It's bad and so that's me so i can smash you're gonna answer. We'd mobile number on friday a fund that you've crushed into reginald cairo. Come on okay. We have to answer the cole. I'm sorry i just have to do it no matter what unless i'm not really hung ira whatever oko you back but as soon as i say. That number private random. You don't recognize the number one answer more thing. I if it's that important. I want to talk to you. They'll leave a message. There's a sign. That curiosity killed the cat Curiosity you just got to answer familiar with cats Is dead saying podcast is alive. Lavin will but that's just may maybe different a rick secret topic vein widening covered. Tom's way too many ways to shake hands with people. Now you don't know what to do anymore you walk up to someone and then you gotta shake their hand and i put their oboe up and then you get off is really awkward and then they go for that handshake. And then you've got fist-bump and you go for someone the decayed the one fucking loser goes to put their foot out to the ankle tap. That was a thing for like two weeks. Back in the middle of two thousand and twenty. It's not a thing any more and what about the good friends that have like a particular handshake with the slotnick lincoln. A just going back to the ankle tap if someone does that. never talk to. that person again blacklisted. Fuck off leave go away. don't talk. Megan barth ankle tap. What that's that recently in the last july wash in calendar fifty. Six the nasdaq ten fifty. Six two thousand twenty twenty fuck right. It's too many ways. Heady ever approach someone not at the moment. Because we're in lockdown anyway. But how do you approach someone now and just like what do you do you stand back and be like what what like. Let's say you're meeting rep work or something for the first time or saying how are you saying. How do i think he just you have to. Yeah it's hard because it was really awkward and sometimes trauma to do in a work setting but when people come around to my place or something. That could deliberately. Someone goes. Put a handshake at put a fist bump and they change. And then you change your loser going back to that. I think. I think it's eh shake that's what you gotta do. What an air shake seventeen you can do in covet. Omar people feel uncomfortable. Well they may feel uncomfortable so the issue is when you put your penis under the handwriting. Wanna shake you willie. So you painted under the adria. What is that. The handwriting in the public toilets moving on what he thinks for trying to make up. What was it got my guy he made. Swear you ever done that. Rod that one day on or you know the handwriting on have to shake it. that's ludicrous. I've never shied gets very. Tom planned with these. Put it onto the handwriting abuse on you. Dick that's not done that. I've why i'm not ruling it out. Well i don't know if he goes but who can be your candy. I'm not ever ever gonna product deserve doing one of those things that i'm going to toronto trouble it all or i guess i was born on november four nine hundred sixty nine in texas sixty nine. Yep man a moved to longview texas ninety. Eighty where i attended. Longview hostile lived in australia for year in new south wales as a rotary youth exchange shooting in nineteen eighty eight. I attended university of texas. At austin where i graduated in the spring of nine thousand three with a bachelor of science in radio television and film in the early. Nineteen nineties began working in television commercials in nineteen ninety-two acted episode of unsolved mysteries. I love that show in ninety four. I didn't angels in the outfield. Texas chainsaw massacre costner. The next generation in non and ninety seven. I started the science fiction drama film contact. Thought mike would film filming in two thousand. I was one of the main characters in youth. Five seven one. What submarine film now. I love that movie to following. The success of one went on to star in the following movies. The wedding planner handlers. Going ten days sahara finally to launch the wall. The one that's true. Did this week view denmark. are you getting it. Salty hemos personnel. that is How how did you get. Adam sandler auto. It's not his fault. That are no film. Didn't get adam sandler. That's the best moments i think. Right what do you got i dan. What are you gonna do when you go to bed on going to remove sixty five pillows from the bid the allison has bought in on that. We take off every single. Dial my god. This is a topic women and bedspace. Wait a minute and pillows women and everything to do with slate. Wendy's house design and fashion become like good enough to justify taking fifty pillows up ube every got an awesome that you put them in a guy they go on the floor and the cat piss on that really that is rubbed the fucking feral every day useless pillows and now goes remit. Why would you have money because it makes her feel better. Having to go to bed with you ever not but it makes me feel worse about having to go to bed and take him right trivia time. Have you ever gone to slate next to your wife fiance. I go friend anyone listening and you have woken up in the morning and you attacking up more bed space than girlfriends zero. Tom's is correct. It's never happened because it doesn't exist. The go will always be hogging more of the bed and then go and it's just it's like a scientific fact. Let me tell you signed right. You get were gets worse. Does we just bought a king bed recently. Moved into a new house. King-size bid so you expect to take up a reasonable portion of this on frustrate a bit these last night. Yeah moss comes into bed at not right you son. Yes last night always occupying about that much spice on the king-size bed because she was taking normal spice boys which is okay in king sized bed until probably whatever my body takes up. Why broad-shouldered sir. No no not this way on sleeping on my shoulder so these luck from my back to brest plight the best pie. Wonderful whatever you wanna. Call them oregon. That's i'm just measuring it now. Fifteen seventy s not thirty twenty twenty seven inches. Extra twenty six inches balked. Lost your fucking mind. Dan twenty centimeters. Almeida's always taking up twenty centimetres in king size bed nearly falling off the edge. And then i had my son who for some reason. I just wanted to be in contact with me. And we're just pushing me. All he wanted to be loved. He's loved he's very loud. I know he is righteous comfortable. So good for you know what women. And he's a story for you know that weeks ago alison ordered a king sized bed. King saws everything kings mattress. It all came. He was a blow up mattress. It came out and fucking always low. Yes yeah about a mattress box which we also got recent actually quite comfortable pity that will get the fuck and see much of it because the reason we bought a king size bed was because a complain that she fucking took up the coin bit. And guess what. I'm in the same boat as you. I'll have the exact same amount of fucking space to sleep on now than i did in the queen bid. That's a problem because laka was just saying. I'll give right your credit king bed. I had more space until most started coming in every single fucking not aachen. Imagine you know when it got isn't getting a good night's sleep. He doesn't have enough room to sleep in when it comes to a new bed order you go from a double to a king and god. It's like okay if we order a king size bed. I'm going to get much more sleep. It doesn't work like that. So i go throughout the not knows what's going on and just magically wriggles enough so you're on the edge of the bed and when you wake up off a bed so i would have that much more. Spite davidson happen wriggle. Because they want to be closer to but you try to get away because they're to fucking hot. Have you noticed that women other fucking hot lava. But they are like allison's law is a fucking boiling hot and it doesn't matter if it's summer or winter. She's she's got problem again. Allison's the highs talking boiling horse giving her a compliment order. I'm telling you to fucking hot right now off before her body during the not was soy hot and like temperature heart says like oh my god. It's a thing it's good for about two minutes in winter then it's unbearable and you know another thing they do when they have a share. The water temperatures fucking annihilating lee hot. It's i don't know how they do it. It's chooses can you pass me. I can handle something. And it's like a the kettle of my forearm the degree bins fourth fourth. To get ready for one thing what when you do finally decide kids right for you and you knock her up the all those millions of pillows on your bed going to transform into a full body pillow which is like having an extra fucking at out in bed with you. What do you mean something that women do to cape comfortable when they're pregnant. Foolhardy caro pillows because it helps to a nice support. The valley read their heaps. And all that crap fucking shit. So it's going to happen. He's what i'm telling you and that's just worse. What are you sleeping mark. Do you sleep in a king. Single us sleep on a quyen. And i love law. What's time by myself name is me. I sleep in my bed. And i'm comfortable like i don't have to knock into anyone ever. It's just i being alone. Well we We flagged it but there's the potential that we're all going to be a line for a week or more. Potentially we keep you in the loop will post an associate's let you know whether or not episodes are gonna come depending on all this nonsense and sanford shoutout to youtube. The new platform. Oh yeah we're gonna be on youtube shorts. I think so. Keep an eye on that. Egypt show suture long-sleeved shirts. Just subscribe so this on those. Thanks facing extra content so yeah so he goes very much keeping me company yourselves. We might say next week. Martin see you next week. It's not fair.

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Book of Revelations: Rumaan Alam & Jonathan Lethem

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Book of Revelations: Rumaan Alam & Jonathan Lethem

"Hey it's andrew the director of literary arts literary arts. We rely on our community. People like you for support to help make this podcast. And all our programming possible give today literary dash arts dot org forward slash donate welcome to the archive project. I'm andrew procter. Executive director of the archive project is a retrospective of some of the most engaging talks from the world's best writers for more than thirty five years of literary arts in portland support for the archive project is provided by cole. Haan on shoes bags and outerwear go with you while you work your way to extraordinary more at cole. Haan dot com in this episode. We feature a conversation between novelist. Ramona alarm and jonathan. Lethem the took place as part of the portland book festival in november twenty twenty. There is a rich tradition. In literature of the apocalyptic novel as a and lethal touch on in their rich conversation the urgency of this tradition allows writers to explore what really matters to their characters and asks what we will keep. And what we will forget when push comes to shove the scope of these works ranges from as letham says wide-screen narratives of entire societies being transformed to the more intimate stories of how individuals relationships and families are shaped by these tragedies. The latter is the primary preoccupation of both these writers in their most recent novels in remond alarms leave the world behind which was a finalist for the national book award a blackout on the eastern seaboard forces to families together in an isolated rural house. Cut off from the outside world and in award winning jonathan. Lethem's the arrest to siblings find themselves in a world where most of what we take for granted. Cars computers and airplanes have quit working and their lives are further up ended by a man with a nuclear powered supercar. Here's a mon- jonathan. It's so good to see you. You and i talked before this before. We started broadcasting. We decided that we were gonna hijack this event there's no moderator so we were gonna make the rules and we'd cited that we were not gonna read so we're not going to be reading from work tonight and we also agreed that Rather than each one of us giving the same stump speech about our book that we always give that i would give the stump speech about the arrest and you will give us some speech about lethal So i'm gonna take a crack at it right now for the arrest as you just heard jonathan lethem's twelve novel which is just reflect on that for a minute. The arrest of title describes a moment of global disruption in which technology ceases to work precipitating. What might be an apocalypse at what might be a a transition to an entirely new way of life as we see in the arrests life continues in north america and the way that it continues is sort of the ideal for yuppies like me which is organic farms and sort of a back to the land. Ethos in the arrest. We meet this figure who is known as the journeyman. Mba gradually understand. His story was in hollywood of all places and someone is arriving to see the journeyman. And he's coming in a vehicle that you see depicted on the cover very fancifully Really caught the attention of both of my children. He has driven this nuclear power vehicle across the country to confront the journeyman and his sister. It's a book about what endures when our way of life changes and. I think that the answer is what endures is arts itself but we will talk about that later. So that's my that is my field mice speech for the arrest. I hope that was funding. Air you do that job from a vermont. I i like it a lot and it anticipates all kinds of things that will talk about. I bet that's going to happen in my attempt to talk about yours here as well so this is leave the world behind so this is an amazingly page turning marvel of a book because it's very concentrated in time and space it has the the unity's right at the greek theatre exalted of time and space a couple and their children leave manhattan for what is meant to be a restorative and gracious Vacation at a airbnb in in remote long island said they just treated themselves to this and you travel with them out to the space and meet them each in remond works with extraordinarily intimate contact omniscient voice that rays these characters to their souls but also leaves them mysteriously intact. You know and. I want to call it like a neutron bomb narration. Because they're completely destroyed every time he glides the at looks deep into their psyches and yet they go on living and they have these a charming and and even very kind of sympathetic desires to you know just feel good about who they are so they are setting up shop in their airbnb and and picking the rooms and deciding. Who's gonna cook. What and then. They're begin to be these ominous intimations of catastrophe. Something is not quite right and the knock at the door comes and it's the owners of the house or so they say who have fled manhattan because of a somewhat unspecified catastrophe that has overtaken city consistently partly of a power blackout. Are you beginning to be reminded one at one book of the other. There's a feeling of connection here and and the the family vacationing family. The rutgers have to deal with letting the owners come into the space and They have to kind of collect their resources and figure out what to do about this thing. That's going wrong even as they're trying to figure out how much To what extent they can trust one another and it is not at all important that the vacationing family is wight and the owning family who've come and knocked at the door are black and book has all kinds of overwhelming plot hooks. That just come naturally out of this one simple situation and it has well lots of other elements of the asking you about but one of the great things that happens is that The animal world reintroduces itself out of the background deer and flamingos and other kinds of animals. That some that you would expect a long island and others. You might not expect long island. But they're they're not part of the scenery anymore. They're sort of. They're doing something it's like. The animals got a memo to try to figure out. What their agenda. It's it's a really intense book to read and I'm doing what i heard you too. Which is fighting spoilers. Everyone should know that is a challenge. That is a challenge. When i it's funny because i'm normally not someone who cares about spoilers right like i don't think what i've been saying like you don't if you know what happens to emma bovery doesn't change your reading experience but there's something about your book that like there's a there are elements of surprise revelation. That you wanna preserve you would have preserve that reading experience. You wanna have you been go into it. It's fine if you go into understanding what's written on the jacket copies but you still want to have comments like oh. Here's the reward for the reading experience. I mean it's funny to hear you talk about my book to hear me talk about your book. It is plain that there is this shared interest. Why did we both write a book about the end of the world at all shutting down what's been happening in the culture that you and i both rethinking about that. Well it's also worth pointing out. We're not totally alone. You can look at Lydia millet spoke this year and Delos novella Liz as well. And and plenty of other things. Kim stanley robinson. The great science fiction writer wrote a extraordinary book about planetary collapse. Of course he's doing with that kind of broad screen wide-screen scientifically credible science fiction. That i could never imagine being able to do myself. Whereas you and i both gotta honed in on Intimate experience under these circumstances. What happens to small groups of people When you're writing a book. I mean jonathan. What stood starting point for you for a novel. Is it like a premise. Or is it a subject like the end of the world or is it a premise. Like all technology his. He's working or is it a character like what's the what's that first moment. It really is usually kind of Imagery scenic imagery iconography tableau things. I want to see happen to characters. That i've become interested in so i feel like before i i've identified what my themes are in any kind of abstract way or like when went to hear it boiled down. I i always think well. Yeah i guess. I was writing about that but i thought about that. We're vehicle you pointed to on the cover of the book and thought about it. Crossing the country and passing through different landscapes and it being piloted by this abhorrent ridiculous character. Who was inventing. And i was like. I'm i wanted to figure that out that's interesting. Where's the image for you. Starting was the was the machine itself the machine and the town. You know this book. This book has a really extreme disparity in it because the the small village in maine by putting it into this catastrophe. I call the the arrest. I really exaggerated some of the aspects of small town life in coastal maine which is a part of life. I sometimes get to participate in When i when i go there which is that. It's very rooted and very connected to the past and their families that have lived one generation after the next on the same road and they tumble down. Stonewall made out of fieldstone. They know that their great great grandfather was the one who plowed those fields. Soames out in may the wall and And a lot of people. There are like genius organic farm farmers who who feed lots of people there but a lot of other people also have some amount of garden and almost everyone has a dug. Well so it's also kind of like a Paradise it's a place. Where when you're there you can't help thinking you know. Maybe everything could collapse. I would be fine here. Nothing would change that much. So i was just taking elements that are that a part of that atmosphere and exaggerating them and that is to say that you know the your internet might not work that well there in. It might not matter as much you're just separated from other things and it's it's the character place to write. The that is sort of yankee independence right like there's a pride in a. There's a libertarianism. Almost right like that sort of your interest in that place and it's funny to hear you talk about it with such like first hand experience on also like this sense of admiration. Because i think that i always think of brooklyn where i am right now when i'm thinking of your work and so is it a shift in your ideal for what you wanted to write about or does it reflect a change in you like is it just the interest of an artist of different age. Like what is it about this. Is that plates versus the place. Where i am talking to you from right now. Yeah well yeah. I know i sort of i mean i grew up in brooklyn and i at a glance and look an act like someone who's probably Still they are still. They're in their mind. And this happens to me in california all the time that people. Just ide- me instantly because i you know i've i've lived now in southern california for a decade and i write about other places but i still accepted. This is my you know. Sort of Branded on my forehead. Yeah but you know. Going to new england as a kid my mother. Let's back up one generation. My mother was a fresh air fund. Kid she was a a a city kid. Queens who didn't know what the countryside was like and then was literally Kind of granted this miraculous connection to a family in in vermont and saint john's berry. And when i was young for various reasons my father was from the midwest so we were a new york family but we had a car and we did go places sometimes but i still was very much a product of the marvelous claustrophobia of an urban neighborhood and idealized. These johnson would take to vermont or maine or or the catskills so that landscape was always the image of like. I don't know what you call the antidote to being from new york was you wanted to go to the country and you you might go to a summer camp and it might be just two weeks of the year but so it isn't that new for me to like it there and to think of it as charged. But you know what's funny is in this book. Ramon i actually realized when i created the the descriptions of the towns in the way you cross from one to the other in its they're invisible boundaries. It's like the way people live here. I was really transposing. What i know about neighborhoods it's really still carroll gardens cobble hill and board bill. It's like oh you know if you're a kid and you cross smith street everything changes. That's how i read write landscape. Him up in maine was the little towns. Were like neighborhoods in brooklyn for me. Yeah yeah i mean. There's there's this awareness of the geography and the geography informs the character of the experiment of the community that is established in this part of the country that you're writing about Host arrest universe. It's kind of like a. I've been reminded me of like the it reminded me of Newhart right like this. Great new england ideal of this community of eccentrics in this beautiful space like business But it's funny to hear you talk about that. Because that's that is what it is like to live in a big city in many of the same wines like these understood boundaries tacit boundaries on these odd characters gathered together so now i need to turn the tables. Tell us about the origin image. What was the moment when you saw this book before you what ford did take an -ticipant discovering it. I mean just as you're describing an intimate relationship to what we can. Just broadly called the country from your childhood from your mother's childhood like the notion of sort of like a escape from urban life. This book began. Like i was on vacation. House exactly like wind describing. We rented a nervion be improved the airbnb infection because that is what section allows you to do But you know we rented an airbnb absolute beautiful in a part of long island. That is not very cool. Is not a place where you would go to buy a massoni blanket scented candle. It's not that kind of Long island on but we had this beautiful home for week end. I knew that. I wanted to write about that experience of what it's like to be in place. That doesn't exactly belong to you. But i wanted to locate in the domestic something much bigger. And i think that i mean what are usually say it. I think this is true. Is that the domestic when deployed literary term implies something miniature or small or feminized or less importance and the big broad sweeping book like the corrections and freedom not to. I don't mean to unfairly us. Jonathan princeton but he's a great example of this those books. Strike me as fundamentally domestic novels as well especially freedom which is one of the best books about an american family. I've read in the last two decades. You know that the section about the mom in freedom is just astonishing to me but it's talked about social because of the sex of the author and because of the this relationship between importance in half. But i think the domestic can show you a lot. I wanted to push right through the literal house itself into the larger world and talk about the politics of the moment the very pressing issue of climate which hangs over both of our books This very bizarre and broken relationship. We have technology which is again something. I think our books really really share common in detroit and interrogate them However could and so. That was the attempt in. I think that's where it began like just being in place you estimate who lives in brooklyn very. It's very satisfying to go to a house. That doesn't belong to you. That has a swimming pool. And just be like a i can. I can breathe. I can see the stars. I can see your. I can feel that. We are discomfort. That i feel when i'm in the country of just being like oh i'm an animal and i actually really know how to be an animal anymore because i can't even tell what the weather's like looking at my phone. You know this thing. It's both of our books. It's like the day you punch at it. And it won't give you anything that feeling of being restored in your as you say in your bodily self like oh you have to use senses. I'm i'm i'm not gonna transport through this tiny little window into other realities all the time. I'm not gonna escape from the dinner conversation by like the level of detail as it's not working. No no the the the arrest. As a as a noun for the scenario you're describing is so it's been nine right. It's so i don't know it doesn't it. Almost has like a beauty to at the idea of the suspension of all technology. But of course and your book does engage the ways in which it would be horrific. And but for a lot of the book i was like. Oh this really sounds wonderful until until you what with what felt more complicated me was a coffee so when the car arise when the machine arrives and among the fittings of this particular astonishing car that trump is driving across the country is that it has a coffee maker and i was thinking like. Oh yeah if we existed in some bucolic paradise of like organic carrots and the labor my husband would have murdered me without coffee. Right like it would have been a bloodbath would have been like. There's no way and so even if your book is of like talking about this. There's almost optimism to that perspective that like this disruption in the society we know mike by the elaboration but it reminded me of how connected i. Im to this broken system that we actually them like live with a coffee. And i you know are coughing is is is made for by people who were largely very far away to a lot of things are globalized and mediated at a glance oppose. You know you know are running shoe and our and our net flicks. but they're both Caught up in these invisible networks right and Yeah when things become totally localized. I think there's a lot of idealization. What are the things. I was chasing with this book. Was you know the feeling that a lot of people in fiction destroy the world because it would feel a lot better that it's it's actually kind of consult consoling fictions some kind of restoration or purity. That might be a itself of various Suspect impulse When i was a kid there was a day what i was listening to. Wbai alan watts was doing one of his lots lectures. I was transfixed because he's so charismatic and weird and he said he. He said something that startled me. I thought about it forever. Which was that. It's very bad to listen to the news and learn about faraway disasters. Shouldn't do this that. This is a like a really big mistake that The contemporary life was making to to learn about the flood. Or the to nami or the famine and i thought this is like seemed to fly in the face of the idea of a global empathic compassionate. You know recognizing of connectedness and inter inter reliant humanity. But he was sort of saying all you can do is a failed to take care of things that are actually under your under young things immediately And so learning about these distant things mostly just paralyzes you now. It's not like. I have a recommendation out of this for myself or anyone else but i i thought about it at some level idea of the problem of our global consciousness than our proximity issues. What's in front of you to take care of as opposed to the things that you want to take care of the out of your grasp. And i mean we're all enmeshed in this in a way that's really Confusing because we have such access such total access to remote communities we have disbelief that like using a reusable metal straw instead of disposable. Plastic straw will actually affect some. It will do something that we have this particular power in the world. It's more complicated than that. You know you're you're guaranteed to be getting it wrong. You'll learn later. That the reasonable metal strong was made. Maybe by sunday enslave negative. But i mean it was like when i when i felt so virtuous eating keen wide one point and then i informed the destroying entire society but So in both of our books we fool around with the question of we make a thought experiment of the reduction of the the narrowing of what you can learn about remote situations. The characters in both our stories are sure that there's great suffering going on at this moment because of what what they're seeing in front of them but they can't confirm let alone affected. I mean one of the things i was interested in in my book was what happens. If you don't even know whether your parents who don't live where you live are still alive or non and And you do the same thing your characters are really Haunted by the things you can be certain of but you can't confirm that are happening globally. It's terrifying. It's really terrifying. The the notion of your world sort of shrinking down in this way is released. Gary and i think my book. The book uses the the language conventions of thriller or horror. Because i find that really horrifying. And what's so striking about the arrest me. Is that with so much of your work. It uses the sort of twist of a humor isn't exactly the right word. But like there's a neither is levity but there's a way in which the perspective on on the arrest you hear it even in the title even the use of that particular noun to describe these conditions. It's not like the reckoning right or you know the silencing it's not like it's not like a terrifying stephen king kind of moment it's something more almost benign but there's a lot of emotional stuff hidden beneath that that's what the book plays out. Is this sort of like the connection between these two people that has more profound in has a longer history. Do you think you're funny. I hope it's funny. But i always feel i when i say things like that because it's such a terrible thing to explain or or defending when people are like i mean i think i actually think almost all of my books are comedies and and yet i mean i think there are other things as well. They're doing other things as well but often the explanation for something. Puzzling is one. I feel tongue tied about saying which is. Oh that part. I was just trying to be funny. You know and i think i i see the The the absurdity in terror. And i see the absurdity a lot of situations and China underlie underlying it. But also you remind me of something that i that i think about what i do after all this time is that i'm interested in the. Yeah the something less grandiose than the reckoning a characters at one point they make fun of the book the road for being so biblical and for being such a a Immoral crosshairs and the thing is a lot of time. We don't end up in the moral crosshairs. We ended up looking at from aside angle at wondering whether we should be in the you know like the way when onset of this experience that iran which is so overwhelming and so profound and dark and involves so much loss for so many people but it also seemed to involve for quite a lot of people trying to find someone with a perfect sourdough starter you know. And the sense of The surgery or the marginality of our experience to what we feel is most important. You know the the way. We're always to inside of the reckoning. Actually maybe half halfway just an inconvenience. It's like this is such a drag. The reckoning going on. I was meeting i missed. I'm stuck in this ridiculous. Sideshow missing the morning over there. But i do not on my schedule for today. I have to say though with respect to what whether your books are comment or not. I think what you're talking about actually has less to do with the writing and you and more to do with the experience of being a reader that it's terrifying to go into a book and no and try to figure out whether or not you're allowed to laugh and i think a lot of readers assume that like they assume like this connection between lake this performance of deep significance like the road which i like the road but i do understand i. I know exactly what you're talking about. This silliness of it and that like the the the notion that anything that did make you chuckle or did give you. The relief of a laugh couldn't be as grave or a significant But what. I love about the rest which i read on vacation with my family so i read it. I experienced a moment of lake relief in my own life. And i and i found it really. Funny that's great. I love that. Well i mean one one way. We could relate our books as it's like your book is the first day of the arrest is what it was like in that house in long island on the day. My book again. Five years later mighty characters are are in the foreground. but so. here's what. Here's what i want to do because i want again turned the tables so your book comes on strong as you said with a kind of classical horror motif you know. It's like a home invasion the strangers and this reminds me of very easily of all kinds of recent versions of those archetypes You know you have it in a lot of the most deservedly popular and profound horror films. That have come along recently as the almost the purification of this archetype of the family in a home. And what's coming to the door. You know the sense of disturbance in your characters and how it does become very comic and and you know and also the the shame and embarrassment that the drive to go get help it ends up with just getting lost because you have no. Gps guy comes back and he won't acknowledge that he didn't get anywhere. A part by decided to run a smoke but sandwich. This same question for you. Do you think of this as a comic novel. Among other things i do i do i do. I hope it is. I hope that people have the experience of laughing at these characters laughing. At the absurdity of the situation. I think horror horror genre tends to walk on a line of lake the gross-out or the absurd ridiculous and there's a gesture at the end where someone is like vomiting at its talking about like the caller has vomit and i thought that was so funny like i just at a certain point. I was like everything that's happening is so terrifying that i don't know what to do but laugh. I don't wanna undersell how scary book actually has one of the images. I'm not going to spoil here because the book is to new. There's a thing in it that disturbed me very deeply. I'll tell you afterwards in the green room. I mean you might know. I think that. I think what you're talking about is that there are certain conventions of narrative that are codified for a reason that there are they carry a primal significance The reason that horror science fiction develops conventions. Because they're really they're really efficient and they work really well and so even if you don't watch horror films or read novels of horror you recognize them you know that when there's people trapped in one person wanders away nothing good is going to happen and it's so satisfying to watch those things happen. And i feel like you are a writer who is really associated with this kind of understanding of the conventions of a certain kind of storytelling and then adapting those conventions or you know not not even adapting them kind of like manipulating them to a different end. A the expectations in order to create a kind of anxiety. About the fact that you're not necessarily going to see them play out the way the way that meant to Br bringing the brink the framework into into space. So that as you say people know how these stories are meant to work. semi consciously. They've absorbed them up also examples. Will you cross a line in your book Umeda thing happened to a person that that upset me. I did my violate one of the rules of of those conventions but but did you actually. Because i sort of i thought the arrest was going to function a certain way and again. I don't want to spoil what happens of trying to think of how to talk about it. But what we understand over. The course of the book is the relationship between this guy who is known the journeyman inside this post arrest universe and this man who is driving cross country to meet him and the nature of that relationship has to do with movies. And so i want to ask you as a writer. Your interest in the cinema as as a form as a as a cultural form cultural christian like why in a book about the end of our entire way of life. Are you writing about hollywood. Like what is the. What's the appeal for you thank you. That's a really great question. I mean i think that one of the things that i so i live in california now one of the things that i sometimes explained to people is already always lived in california because i grew up watching the late show and that you know the ideological power that's generated from this this engine of of storytelling and persuasion and an intoxicating imagery. It's a place that i can't ever exit from in my life and mostly i feel like that's okay. That's fun but it's also a kind of nightmare oral hall of mirrors And i think in this story where i reduced so many things out of the atmosphere of contemporary life. These characters are experiencing a significant reduction. In their story drunkenness. They're not netflixing. Chilling anymore and then it comes barreling back into their space on this raises questions about like. Was it actually. Okay or maybe what was it. Part of the problem and journeymen is complicit with an enabler of you know he. He wasn't the driver but he might be the copilot in the question like if stories were part of the problem. What do you do if you were storyteller. I mean Piece of this book comes out of the old joke. That i myself you know. I grew up in an artist family. And i've never really been capable of doing anything I've couldn't fill the fire without a blowtorch. And but i always think over in the apocalypse. They'll need me. I'll be the storyteller. I'll be the one you know keeping right. What if they don't want that anymore like that's no you're not invited as the storyteller you can carry the water back and forth from the cleanup. Is this muddy area over here. But we don't want your stories. Do you think though as an artist as a human being that impulse towards story is fundamental like do you see. Hollywood is just an expression of this fundamental animal desire to sit around the campfire until one another stories like that. There's something in our wiring that requires that or do you actually think that. I think that it's mixed up in consciousness in a very like racist peanut butter cup way that you just can't get it out. It's just a big model because we were made of stories in a way but what we what we do with our sense. Input is almost immediately kind of storytelling. Here's a million things to ask you and say about your book. I also know that we have a unique chance to have audience questions. Oh yes it's time. Let's take our first take a few right. It's so great talking with you about about jano quite clearly. We could just keep going for another hour you know. Well let's get a couple of other voices in here. Hi i think we all could listen to you for hours and hours system. Really great with you have questions related. So adam asks about point of view. Both of these books are third person. And there's a question about how you came to that point of view all. I'll just say this. This is a great example for listening. To your editors. I wrote this book. In the third person to make the reader feel like participating in the same circumstances the characters are and my editor said to me. It's annoying the reader. Needs to know more than the characters now and i had to crack how to do that and the realization was. Just have the book tell you and so. I introduced a different perspective into the book. Which is what i think of. As the voice of god who is able to speak directly to the characters and liberates like tell the reader something that the writer so that the that the characters donau and so it's third percent but it is has this like other devices inside of it but I actually already had a preview of jonathan's answers this question. It's really good so i'm gonna look him ticket. I tell you in a second. But first of all. I have to if i can find it really quickly. I want romance version of omniscience. That god is so great in this book may because it was introduced. After you've been doing. I guess things that young was third because the the the the sentences switch from voice of god telling you things that the characters would never about themselves to the things that they are thinking about themselves really rapidly and freely and so you get these edible moments like The one of the main characters is thinking about Someone who works under her whose name is jocelyn. And she's thinking jocelyn had been born. In south carolina of jocelyn of korean parentage had been born south carolina and amanda continued to feel that the woman's mealy-mouthed accent was incongruous. This was so racist. She could never admitted to anyone that neutron bomb voice of yours remind where you just level the character and yet they get to go on around. Even commanding are interested in sympathy. It's kinda miraculous sank. You thank you. The rest has this Weird piece of compositional history. I wrote it in first person. And i was sure that that was i was. I have no doubt that that was how this book was gonna work at it. It conformed in my projection to with modeled loosely. On the way. I use first person in another book called chronic city where there was this very garrulous but dense first person voice. Somebody who could express a lot and tell you a lot about a lot of impressions of things but just didn't get it at. The heart of the book was totally missing the main point and i thought that's the structure that i'm using again and i wrote it that way and It was i. The character was way too aggressive. And irritating and garrulous. And i realized that actually i wanted the tableau. The image rainy to win out and not be constantly shrouded this chatty irritating narrator and so i re- recast the entire book in third person but it was. It was the last revision. It was what i did at the at the at the eleventh hour. So the book changes in this one really dramatic way. John with point of view lucky question. That's great thank you Liz hasn't questioned. She wants to know for each of you. What was one of your favorite parts of your novel to right and maybe we'll start with jonathan this time just to shoot spicy well. This was a joyful The for me to write it. It came and i ended despite this big reframing from from first to third person i never felt thrown out of this book i was always like i'm i'm taking it. I'm getting it. I'm doing what. I wanna do this one and it just felt really Terrific and there was a. And i'm not i mean. Avoid my own spoiler now. There was a scene. I wanted to write and this driven a few books where i have an image towards the very end of the book that i just wanna see. I wanna see it done. And i was like i don't let myself go ahead and write at ahead like the desire to get their drives the entire experience for two years. I was waiting to make this thing. It's very it's a very physical peculiar thing. Like something moves into different space in a way that i hope the reader can't have expected but is very interesting. No i'll let me just tell you that there's no way the reader could expect how this book on so don't worry mission accomplished on that level just the day. I finally get do it. It's like now it's like you've been staring at corner of your ceiling that wasn't painted and would day you get out the paint. That's the right color in you. I your reward is like actually just more work. Always writing is I had a lot of fun. When i guess i mentioned before that it was. My editor told me that there was this information gap that needed to be filled in between the characters and the reader. End i want. I solved that problem when i came up with this voice and got to deploy all of these details. I had a lot of fun thinking about the things that i find most terrifying and almost it was almost like an active to think them through and then bake them into the book so when i was a kid when i was a kid there was a famous case on. I'm gonna forget the woman's name now of mother who drowned her children in the bathtub Which terrified me as a child terrifies me to this day. I am terrified of being trapped in an elevator I am terrified of plane. Crashes terrified of like being trapped in a place in having a building collapsed on me and all of these details appear in the book. And they're all very tiny. But it's like i just got to like cast them out of my brain and into the reader spring so i. I have a lot of fun doing that. Sadistic sensitive when i say hustle sounds like you got to like make notes and comments on your own book like by going back into the second he a little bit. Yeah annotated think that's right. Yeah actually really enjoyed that. Claire wants to know how class figures into your idea of over arch of the overarching disasters in your book So if you could talk about that a little bit. Because i think that does play a part. I mean we'll start with. Jonathan has time to change. Yeah well i tried my hardest to think about class. Every time i i write and i as Remind was reminding me. I'm a stranger in the space of this book. You know the the towns in in maine where. I approximately set this book. I i'm a i'm a. I'm away like not understanding them as part of my deep situation When i lived there. And now. When i've written about it and i think it's a study because i think that the kind of the integrity of that community has very powerful belief systems about class and there are some really prominent things that anyone can notice that like rich people from boston and new york have houses and people who live in the towns. Take care of the houses for them and the boats and those people come in for like two weeks that use. The houses in the boats will so. That's an easy you know. That's fish in a barrel but what about everyone in between which is you know my situation and the situation of like a lot of people that i really am interested in responsive to and spend time with who maybe came and made a claim on that space because they wanted to make an organic farm. You know some point in the seventies and now they're sort of their neither nor they've they've made a connection that isn't recognizable to the five generations in the same farmhouse family and is totally consternation or peculiar or or maybe they make a really great tomato so they're like an asset few weeks with vote in the house but they're they're not fixed their they're shaped shifter's in a certain way and i think of course this is something that i'm faded to write about again and again whether i'm writing about urban spaces or or or or or other spaces. It's the problem of identifying with things that you're not exactly your possession and then accidentally gentrifying you know. This is really uncomfortable space to be in. But it's something. I'm i'm very Helplessly involved in thinking about yeah. I'm similarly very interested in that material on that particular. What interests me is my own participation in the system as i understand it and so when i m writing without mercy about these aspirational middle class white people. I am also writing about myself. Right when i'm writing about the things they buy at. The grocery store is the story of who they tell themselves. They are doing that with a sense of recognition because they understand my own participation in this system and i understand how it doesn't help classes such a like it's like this myth that we keep telling ourselves about who we are you know and i find it really fun to think about Play with. I want to end by. We've been ending a few of the discussions this way. It's been really nice By asking each of y'all you know it's it's been like a time to put it mildly lately and how it's like a week is a year and a days a decade like. I don't know how you've been like what is maybe one way that you've been finding joy this week or like something that has comforted you or just made you happy Me we could start with jonathan Well you know. I do really count on On cooking and eating And then you know that forces you to to to notice the other side which is getting on the treadmill and so i think one of the things that sell interesting about this whole experience. It's the way it's double you know. We've been centered in our homes. Our bodies families. I mean i spend enormous amounts of time with mike kids in a way that i don't mean neglected them before. But there's just a difference. I have to be sometimes the teacher and sometimes the playmate in a way that you know mostly really wouldn't be the case even for the ten year old certainly for the thirteen year old. Who would have dismissed me from his life by nabet do bad. He doesn't he doesn't get too and so what we've been we've been you know centered in in in in these things and it's very tempting if we're not in you know i mean it's always crucial to note that some people are in our are in free fall right now. They're suffering but if you're lucky enough to to be in a home and don't where the food comes from and i'm lucky then being placed back in you know take After we're done tonight. I'm going to cook this fish bought and the rest of what i put on. It is herbs from the garden. Which would not you know. I used to be big restaurant person. But these i'll be eating things i grew. That's kinda cool but then again here we are looking at us. you know. i've been portland to what's going on texas's we we've had the whole experience. A pandemic is one thing and it's total opposite we've been all young completely translated out into our irwin's and into systems that we'd never even heard of like zoom in. What's this call v. Mix call how can be so profoundly itself and its opposite. But i'm also seeing people remotely. I mean i'm spending this time with would that. I might you know otherwise. I might not gotten to actual portland this year. Unknown i so it's weird There are there are covert pleasures along with all of the forms of strict cognitive and emotional estrangement and you know as well as awareness real suffering. It's a strange strange strange strange strange moment. I mean i was telling both of you. Before we started recording that i i'm teaching this semester and i'm teaching undergrads pace and columbia and i have found it kind of wonderful joy to spend time with these. There's a particular kind of magic that happens in the seminar room. And i wish that we were in that seminar room but when i see these i call them kids which is not generous because they are young adult but when i see these kids on tuesday wednesday and thursday i momentarily lifted out of thinking about doing six grade. Math was my sixth grader. Or the fact that. I have to like figure out. If i'm gonna make lasagna tomorrow. Or whatever like i momentarily outside of those concerns of thinking about these young people and thinking about what gets them excited and they're working so hard from their girlhood bedrooms under these terrible circumstances paying for these very expensive education. They're not getting the full experience of and forcing these young readers to talk about the writers. I love like ryan washington or laurie moore or samantha. Hunt like i. I gave these kids by washington's lot to read this week. And i could see their physical response to this book. I could see the extent to which to change their way of thinking about what what was possible for them. As artists cement the hunt that had exactly the same effect on them and is such a gift to be able to do that and to watch a different reader respond to this tax. And so that's been my joy. I've really really enjoyed that experience. The it's funny. Because i find so much joy in teaching these kids about the contemporary story. I find almost no joy in teaching my own children about third grade. Sixth grade math. But maybe that's just my own failure as a parent. But i think you have to look. Jonathan said. we're so lucky in this moment. We're so lucky. The got this government has given working people six hundred dollars in the last nine months like we are such lucky people and so you have to just seize the opportunity to take joy wherever you can find. I think i. I think it's feels like almost a rebellion you. Now that's a great answer remond. It's an it's the case for me as well. My students students have been extraordinary and in so many different circumstances that they've been thrust into as they were pushed away from their college life. They've rallied and come to these occasions of the teaching and brought so much to it. It's really something. 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Episode 34:  Reading Journals

Bubbly Bibbly

27:07 min | 4 months ago

Episode 34: Reading Journals

"So rachel i have a girlfriend named darcy who lives in washington state and she works in a winery and so some that is like a dream job. That is the you know. The the only thing better is if could moonlight tasting godiva chocolates right but anyway With dorsey found out that we did. A raiding and drinking podcast. She started talking to me about their wines. So i just. I have no shame and i asked dr see if it will be possible for her to send us a couple of bottles of her line which it was beautifully packaged to you know. So let's let me talk a little bit about this. It's war king and it's w. a. r. dash k i n g wines. There in woodinville washington. And i love this. They're called a boutique. Winery and they partner with washington's wine growers and lisa is the owner and lisa intentionally stays very small and focused and she produces limited releases and basically she feel like fills like this business model. Really honors the growers hard work. Yes i agree. 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And it's debbie a No jeb a r. dash k. i. n. g. w. i n. e. s. dot com. And you go and you look under the and father's day gift box one hundred and five. Dollars a cabernet and progeny it's a bordeaux style. Oh they're both so delicious. I'm so excited about it. I think i'm going to grab one for john. Well you look at their their website. And i think that their prices are very reasonable. Oh it's amazing delicious wine especially especially for a small production booting winery. I mean i. It was It almost makes me wish that. I lived in that area. Because i also saw that they have a tasting room. Which is abe. And it's only fifteen dollars tasting fee and that is waived if you purchase a bottle. Let me just say that you'll be purchasing more than one bottle. And they have merchandise. And i have a great newsletter. You guys sign up for this newsletter. They're amazing wines. You will not be sorry. Hello and welcome to bubbly bibliotheca podcast about and bubbles literature and libations authors and alcohol. We love books in bubbly. We are friends who offer curated book. Review section on our website and a hilarious podcast. We discuss books drinks and stories from our lives. I'm rachel and i am carmen. Okay carmen i know you do a daily journal. And even moderate a facebook group. Called decorative journaling decorative journaling. Is they decorated tomato tomato. So tell me why you do this. And what got you started in. I guess how you got started. Well there are a number of answers to your question and some of them kind of go deep into my innermost psyche. Where i'm really not sure you're prepared to enter. Okay yes as medina might say. I'm not prayed up to enter innermost psyche. The short answer basically is that's fine. Let's maybe a little creative a little reflective and you know maybe one day it'll give future generations of lamps what it was like to be made It's not anything that. I would want people to read while i'm alive but once i can't really defining what dad you can read it. Yes oh i can't be questioned about the the insides of my journal now. Have you ever kept a journal or a diary or anything like that. I haven't kept a journal. But i do bullet journal for my daily planners for my task and my kinda like my calendar but in this episode as you can tell carmen and i are discussing book and reading journals. I finished reading dreamland burning by jennifer letham and i'm gonna mention it again because it is an important novel and i think that people need to intentionally read this one probably a lot like you felt about the. Hey you give by. Angie thomas okay and as a privileged white woman why people need to understand and constantly remember that the fight for civil rights is not over. I mean it's not fire hoses and police dogs on black children but it is living in fear. Living under suspicion receiving attitude. You know that why people just do not experience. I saw an article on. Amanda gorman the young lady who read that poem at president biden's inauguration. She was amazing by the way and she reported that She was followed on her walk home by security guard so as she was going into her building he told her that she looks suspicious and allegedly asked her to prove that she lived there so she schroeder showed him her keys and buzzer self in. He turned and left with no word of apology. No words of apology now. Like and who is he a whatever i know i know and so you know why should look suspicious. Because she's black. Is that it right so it. It's yeah i read about that too. It sickens me But my review it dreamland burning is on. www dot bubbly biblis dot com. And i would really love to hear from you listeners when. And if you read it i i would really like to know what you think. That's going on my to be our list. I just finished a lost. A pocket theory by sarah pinner. I was really looking forward to reading. A lot of readers are using it and reading it in the pop sugar challenge. But i didn't really like it. That much ended weirdly. It was kinda good. I don't know i. It was probably. I would only give it a three out of five. I enjoyed reading it. It just took me back to a time back in london. it was. It was interesting in that sense but trying to weed these two stories of current day and a past day at. I don't know it just didn't work for me. It was a little bit of a forced storyline But i am drinking though tonight. A new favorite. It's called an irish made. John found it is so good. It has cucumber irish whiskey. Saint germain elder flower lacouer. Little bit of women a little simple syrup that john may with honey and it's delicious. Who is sounds. So what is in your last tonight carmen. In honor of writing journals. I went to The book tequila mockingbird which was sent to me by our fred gay and i saw recipe for an appetizer that i turned into a cocktail It's called all live or twist. It's a gin martini with three olives. And a twist of lemon But you know my allergies have been so bad this week that I've been taking so much allergy medicine. That i also have a big loss of water here because i think allergy medicines sucks every drop of moisture out of my body. And i'm i'm not sure rehydrating with jen is the great thing. Science has documented the mental health benefits of keeping a journal. That's right and it doesn't really have to be fancy. You can get a ninety nine seven composition book that you get target and use that or just as simple spiral notebook. Of course you can get all fancy with washy tape stickers rubberstamps but the point is to right yes yes yes and during those moments when you can't right you don't want to write you don't know what to write just draw You know there have been days that all i did was draw. A picture of what was taking over my mind and there are a lot of different ways to journal. And you just really have to let you really have to listen to yourself and let yourself tell you what you need to get out that day or that moment. Well that's right. So like i said i use bullet journaling to make. My list is at my agenda. 's plan trips. Summarize what i need or just my task. I've got for that day. Then there are writing journals where you you know flex fleischer writing a biceps and write poems and stories and we tales and even hake hike us. And i believe you're a lover of those aren't yukon. I am a high coup lover. I have a little funny. You might be the only person. I know that. Just like embraces. Probably everyone's going to let me know that you're not only one. But i just find that so interesting. I've got a little notebook of the year that i wrote a haiku almost every day. And it's really interesting to look back on it because the set format forced me to really think and hone my failings for that day into the five seven five syllables. Because you know a high has three lines so the first line is out again. It gets to the point is right. So it's not five it's five syllables and so seven syllables than five civils. So it was a good artistic exercise for me and it kind of offered a different kind of look into a year and my live through these haiku. that is so interesting But not everybody wants their injuries be read though many therapists tell their patients to write them down and then destroy. What they've written is very tactile and even event oriented action of letting go you can write things on paper that you would never ever dare say to anyone that. Destroy it and let it go. Just we find that in a email and on text line. don't wait they. Do you put things on the screen and on paper that you would never say in person but That is when caution with keeping a journal. Don't write for an audience. Don't ryan with the idea that it will be read. Write for yourself to get clarity to work through problems or difficult situations be real and truthful and without worry the point is to get it out of yourself and onto the page and then you can do with it. Whatever you want but writing it down gives you options that you don't have when it stuck on the inside of okay so let's bring this around journaling books and reading and i say both books and reading because i think there's a difference in the two types of journey journaling. Your books is more like a list. Like keeping track of the genres that you're reading or that you've read The authors that you're reading the fulfillment of criteria of challenges which you may be participating like the pop sugar challenge or reading. I don't know through the years or reading every color or but keeping a list of your Criteria for your challenges and a perfect example of this is the journal that our listeners. Janet is keeping in. It's a it's a fairly extensive journal that she found on ed oetzi and it was created especially for the pop sugar challenge and there are any number of ways to decorated colored and their stickers that you can buy and use in it just to customize it and make it yours. It looks like a really fun. Way to keep track of a years worth of the books that you've read and what you plan to raid and lots of little treasures that you can write down in between he has. There's lots of ways you can let shit books you've read but my question is if you do it on paper. How do you sort range filter and otherwise manipulate your data and then to get and get future information from like how he uses like the computer nerd and graphic designer that you are for I'm pretty sure. The joy of the journal specifically designed for the pop. Sugar challenge is the writing down decorating in drawing starting column and completing criteria filling up. That was blanket the beginning of the year. I think it's really the journey that you take throughout the year and your steps on that journey are recorded in the journal. I can definitely see the joy of that for creative people like for me. I would love that. I love the idea of standard journaling standard journal being delivered to various households and then over the course of the year the three hundred sixty five days. That common book is changed. Personalized it gets big and bulky You know they're they're glowing stuff in there. They're putting their washy tape you know. They're making it their own their own personality and their personal reading journey that they have that they've discovered achieve rachel waxing. All we ask. But but you're right. The book journal can be as personal or as minimal as you like Can you imagine the joy of a granddaughter or great grandson. who's also raider. And they discover these bound journals years and years after you make them You know think about finding one of the journals that your great grandmother cab in reading through it yourself is just amazing. Amazing to see what she thought of a book. You both loved like you loved it and you found out she loves you know that you have that in common and now. Let's talk about journaling. You're reading. These are my mind more in depth than book journals and the main reason for that is that. There's a written book review. It doesn't have to be anything fancy or long but as it's like a rating or you know the reason why you rated it the way you did. You know what you thought about a book. Well and i'm gonna have to marry your question if you put it on paper. How can you easily come back to it. How can you reread a book. And then compare the two reviews. You'd have to go through potentially a stack of notebooks looking at each entry to try to fund that review. I'm not down with that. Yeah i that's true and let's go back to the idea that this journal is a journey and not necessarily a tool so surely if you want quick and easy access to your data then you need to capture somehow electronically and using it for a different purpose. I think you know if you're doing it on on your computer. Then it's for different reasons. So let's get some fresh ice in these drinks and dig a little deeper so carmen. You're the one who posts book reviews. Bubbly bitterly yes i do. I try to ride a review for every book that i read and i posted on our website as well as my personal account on good raids. And you know. I've wondered if you ever write reviews for the books you read. I haven't. I've told my book clubs. You know what i think about it. But i've never written down interview But that may change. You're talking me into it. I think you know kind of behind the scenes but what makes you write review and post it for others to read Well when i am looking for a new book. Or when i'm thinking about adding something to my t. b. r. I really rely on the reviews of other raiders. And i want to offer that same resource to them in writing about what. My opinion of a book is Plus when i've been on the fence about either the number of likes that. I will give the writing the story writing. The review really helps me flesh out different feelings and opinions. I have on the book and it forces me again. This whole journal idea forces me to get what is on the inside aligned with what i'm telling you being on the outside yeah and that that is the journey so if you're keeping a live journal why don't you write your views as opposed to typing them Well like you said earlier. Probably because the 'cause it's more important for me to use that as a toll that i can access and read that i can quickly get to and sort rather than a place that i write once and it and that's exactly. What would happen to me if i write it on paper. Okay well do you ever go back and re read your journals. Hardly hardly ever. That's interesting you've never gone back like lipton a period of time. That's kinda interesting with the many choices on the market for both keeping trap of your books. The books you've read as well as reading reviews is really all about your personal preference. I guess as i was looking online for physical notebooks for this purpose for these purposes. I found that you can use as many that you can use it as a one. Stop shop you. They have some journals you can do. You're listening in and your reviews but again that's writing so but you can list your book. Brett reads you can keep the ballista books You can also do the book of lists book so you want to explore more like your cci are less once you've read a book. There's a place for all kinds of data about the book like john raw the number of pages your rating but there are also even more in depth that you can complete like ballistic characters themes in the books new words for you. All kinds of things is so great and not to mention including a review. What caused you to you know. Pick the book in the first place. So there's like a huge amount of track tracking that you can do your reading. Yes yes and you You're right about that physical notebook for these purposes. Because i was doing some research in that too and You know again. I just have to go to. If if i'm looking for for pure data and let's say for example good rates which i use the most often it will tell me at the end of the year. How many pages i read. Or you know what genre. I tended to go to or you know i. I also set a goal for the year for my rating. The number of books to read and it tells me every time. I finish a book. Oh you're eight ahead of schedule right. I love yeah and it makes me feel like okay. I'm doing good you. You can't get that from a notebook. But the the downside of that is. I'm going to talk about my beloved shelf. Ari like all all of my books were in. Shell fori and win shell. Faris sold to amazon. There were some metrics that they didn't bring over like a list of characters. You can't find the list of characters and a particular book on line. And i really think they. Conversations are Little awkward there. They kind of They don't stay under the topic that you're answering and i like a hierarchy in shelf. You can ask a question and then everybody would answer that question and it would be under the initial question but okay so good reason and good rates you know. It's just entry entry entry entry and so you know. I mean there are pros and cons to to both of them but i think the I think the main point is reading really is an all inclusive experience and and it starts the minute you have that spark of interest about a book all the way through your process of deciding whether or not to rate it where it falls on your tb are. I don't know how many times i've moved to book up. Based on someone's review or moved it down based on their review or some guy moved it off. And then there's the decision about whether you're going to listen to it. Read the copy or hold the physical book. Are you gonna get it from the library or are you going to borrow it from a friend or are you gonna buy it and then there i mean all of this happens before you even start reading and it's just the whole ratings thing is such a beautiful human experience to me it it really is. It's like you said it's a process and experience that includes so many senses. I think that's why readers are so passionate about it and want to share as much as we can and as the nerdy is kind of data. I say in the sound of our cheering fans means. It's time for listener. Comments on our spring equinox post brand commented time to get out the moscow mules and get ready for fiestas season. We love that. Thank you for an yes fran. I like the way you think. And when asked when you last visited your library jennifer replied. I think i made to start going back. There's just something so relaxing at finding a book and anticipating how good it's going to be and jennifer that is the perfect comment is cast. That is so amazing. Well for this episode. Let us know if you keep a journal of your reading. Author's books challenges are any other bibliophile information. Let us know how you journal it. And of course. Check us out on facebook instagram and pinterest and visit. Www dot bubbly biblis dot com where you can be guaranteed to find the pot of gold at the end of the podcast rainbow. Well maybe not really but you can buy some helical merchandise and remember ceo. Jim barksdale said if we have data. Let's look at data if we if all we have our opinions or going with mine.

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S10 EP136: Hour 2 - No Flags Please

The Erick Erickson Show

37:42 min | 2 months ago

S10 EP136: Hour 2 - No Flags Please

"It's the second hour of the ericsson show that happens to be me face for radio of voice for printing. Y'all are sticking with me. The phone number is eight. Seven seven nine seven zero eight seven seven nine seven three seven four to five if you'd like to be on the program. I'm going to do something i rarely do. Because we've got multiple calls about something. I said of the last hour and i think i was misheard because i went back and played the audio to make sure i had misspoken but i want to do this out of the gate because when you get a bunch of calls from people that you said something well you probably need to make sure that other people didn't hear or or if you misspoke said something so i want to go on and clarify which means i wanna talk to john. The gate John welcome to the program air Yeah i i've heard allan phony longtime agree with a lot of things. You say And i'm pleased. Believe me. I hate fan as i'm not a racist by any stretch in people say bad but I have read the bible. The new testament mostly and i have yet to find anywhere where jesus says anything about brings slaves and people are going to go. Oh my god. He's a racist on the phone. No no you're right. let me let me restate. What i said earlier was that the bible does not explicitly call for the end of slavery. Paul inflammation calls for specific treatment of slaves. And the abolitionist. Were christians and used the arguments That paul made about the treatment of slaves to argue against slavery from a biblical perspective The the issue is that slavery is practiced in the roman empire was not the chattel slavery practiced by the americans or the british empire The closest parallel to that was egyptian slavery which obviously God had a problem within the old testament which was one of the points. Wilberforce made but The issue there is that like paul writes. Slavery was an institution of the world. And jesus was did not set out to up in the institutions of the world. He was putting something else in place but called for treatment. That the abolitionist than said could not be met exactly right. You look often. the word. Slavery is mistaken for the word servant and those are two completely different things because you have inventor servants new order indeed slaves for a period of time we built part of the country on just sets people and they're and and i agree he addresses the treatment But the thing is i see. I've seen. I've been an elementary school. A portrait of john brown standing on a burning mountain top with the with the bible in one hand pointing toward you know basically burning down the chute agree. I wish slavery is wrong Started but we don't answer ended it right in this offense but there there was too many disagreements on you know the bible says oh you know a a i could get into a disagreement with you probably for two hours on on the civil war based on whether it was swaying bring or not and it yet look. I got a friend of mine. Who every time i talk about. Slavery the civil war. I'm guaranteed to get an angry email from that. It was about states rights and not slavery That's a loss cause Argument in my mind given the way the war ended up. I will tell you this. I'm on john brown side I think that The institution slavery didn't need to be burned to the ground and it is just flat out Contrary to the standards of the bible the way slave retreated in this country and the abolitionists had the biblical argument. No no no. The bible did not flat out bar slavery. We should keep in mind the historic context and the roman empire of slavery or not and what it was but at the same time. If you wanna see the mo the closest comparison to american style slavery in the bible. It's what the did to the israelites. And how'd that work out for the egyptians and that was wilberforce. his point. The abolitionists were able to use scripture. So no the bible itself did not explicitly say. It's a prohibited institution. But the abolitionist seized on the arguments of paul and philemon and also looking at what happened to the israelites. The egyptians and said no what we're doing is contrary to the bible and they're absolutely right on that absolutely right in that And we should be able to nuance and say just because something is not explicitly prohibited. I mean or what about explicitly pronounced. Find me the verse in the bible. That says. there's a trinity. you can't do it. You can find a lot of verses that together show you. There is a trinity. And in fact if you're an orthodox christian you believe in the trinity. But there's not one explicit i i now this is not theology time here but we had a bunch of calls Saying i i. Somehow the bible Was very explicitly. Condemn slavery condemned. The treatment of slaves. Did not outlaw. The institution the abolitionists though we're able to effectively make the case that That's where we had to wind up based on the standards of the bible The implicit explicit. And i think they were right and got the veteran to the argument and john brennan was right and we should burn the institute of the ground a long time before the civil war now nonetheless. We must move onto other things. I wanted to about by georgia on the radio. Georgia view a state a member of the state legislature contacted me this morning in georgia. This is happening around the country. Which is why. I bring it up the slow school board. I am told them he pulled the email from the state representative. And i have reached out to some parents down there. So i'm not just talking to my rear end here. I've actually reached out to a couple of parents who confirm that. This is the case down in. This is vital. You georgia onion country. You know the vijaya onions. They come from georgia the soil down. There is perfect for them. The public schools are dress. Coding and threatening to suspend kids from school for wearing american flags on their shirts and other clothing to try to stay away from content discrimination. They banned all pictures from clothing and say the stars and stripes is a picture they did make an exception for nike under armour and other brand logos leaders have told parents they cannot change the dress code standards until the next school year to make other exceptions such as a flag. Kids are threatening to wear american flags. The cheerleading team was told they'd be suspended from school. If they war american flags. I have confirmed. This is actually the case with parents down there. How bizarre is it that a local school board is banning the display of the american flag on clothing. I get you. Don't wanna get into picking and choosing which pictures are acceptable or not but Came the kids. Were lapel pin. Apparently from what. I was told by whether they couldn't wear a lapel. An american flag lapel pin in georgia. Not just georgia. This is like rural. I mean by. Delia is not exactly a major metropolis. It's a beautiful flat country of onion fields and great people. The people down there are wonderful. Had to funeral down there a couple of years ago. And my gosh is like the whole place turned out to remain who hadn't even lived in the city the in the town for awhile. Wonderful people and their local school system. Does it want the american flag displayed by kiss particularly at a time like this. We're withdrawing from afghanistan. Many of our soldiers are e- are just upset about it. And you're you're telling the cheerleading squad they'll be suspended. If they wear the american flag. I think every kid invite vijaya should show up at school with the american flag on every single kid deal. You should put the american flag on display on their clothes and show up at school. Let them spend you. We the colleges say. Why did you get suspended for school. Well i displayed my country's flag or recall. Is you know you do recalls in georgia. You could recall school board down there. It's just amazing that That a school system particularly in georgia would do this. Just just absolutely amazing. I i gotta tell you as an aside here. I know a number of people who served in afghanistan. Mental health is already something a lot of them. Struggle with there were not as many americans have as afghans who died. The number of american soldiers who died was around three thousand in twenty years the number of afghans who died fighting with those sorts around sixty thousand but though a lot of american soldiers did not die me then came back with battle wounds amputees mental health issues and to see the twenty years that they fought to secure a country and keep it out of the hands of the people who cost not eleven overnight revert back right before the anniversary of nine eleven to the hands of those who. Who did it if you have friends who are in the military who fought there. Be a friend and reach out. I've got a buddy of mine. In particular who put up a note on social media the days it will beautifully. Stop reaching out to me. I'm perfectly fine. I really am fine. But then he said but thank you and yes Reach out to people and yeah reach out to people reach out. What has happened with this. Administration is extraordinary. It is shameful polling. I want to go onto commercial break. Because i wanna play for you. A speech from a member of the british parliament is going viral. As i speak it just blowing up all of a sudden he served in afghanistan. And i want you to hear what this guy has to say the phone number here. Well you heard the voice say. Jj says eight seven seven nine seven three seven four to five. Y'all this is an extraordinary speech from tom. Took a not. He is a member parliament. A conservative in great britain. He fought in afghanistan. I i want you to listen. We don't have time for all of this. I don't think but you need to hear some of this like many veterans. This last week has been to see me struggle through anger and grief and rage the feeding abandonment of not just the country but the sacrifice that my friends made be funerals from pool to dunblane. I've watched good men go into the. Ah taking them apart of me. The pulse of all of us. This week has torn open. Some of those wounds let them roll. Left us all hurting. I know it's not just soldiers. I know aid workers and diplomats. Who feel the same i know. Journalists who've been the witnesses to our country and it's heroic efforts to save people from the most horrific fates. I know that we've been struggling. And if this recall has done one thing let me tell you. Now speakers achieved one thing already. I've spoken to health secretary. He's already made a commitment to do more the veterans mental health. This isn't just about us. The mission in afghanistan williams a british mission. It was a nato mission. It was a recognition that globalization has changed this all the phone calls that i am still receiving the text messages that i've been answering as i've been waiting putting people in touch with people in afghanistan reminds us that we all connected. We all connected. Still today and afghanistan is not a country about which we know little pulse of the main that connection links us also to a european pointless twi european neighbors and to our international friends and so it is with great sadness that i now criticize one of them because i was never proud of them when i was decorated by the eighty second airborne after the capture of musa. Qala a huge privilege. A huge privilege to be recognized by such extraordinary unit in combat to see that commander-in-chief call question the courage of men. I fought with to claim that they ran shameful. Those who have never fought for the colors they fly should be careful about kris citing those who have a what we've done these laws. Few days is we've demonstrated that it's not armies that win was armies can get tactical victories and operational victories. That can hold the line. They can just about make room for peace. Make room for people like us to talk to compromise to listen. It's nations that make war nations in your nation's mobilizing muster nations determine and have patience and here we've demonstrated sadly that we the west united kingdom does not now. This is a harsh lesson for all of us. If we're not careful it could be a very very difficult lesson for allies. It doesn't need to be. We can set out a vision. Clearly articulated for reinvigorating european nato partners to make sure that we are not dependent on a single ally on the decision of a single leader but that we can work together with japan and australia with france. Germany we paul large and small and make sure that we hold the line together because we know that patients wins. We know it because we have achieved it. We know it because we have divided. The cold war was wong with patients. Cypress is at peace with patients south korea with more than ten times. The number of troops that america had in afghanistan is prosperous through patients. So stop talking about forever wars. That's recognize that forever. Piece is not cheaply but hard through determination and the will to endure the tragedy of afghanistan is that we're swapping patient achievement for a second fire and second will now we need to turn our attention to those who are in desperate. Need supporting the unhcr. The world food program and so many other organizations can do so much for people in the region yes supporting refugees of course support refugees though. I'm not going to get into the political auction of numbers. We just need to get people out. So i need one image in the that i was privileged to be the adviser to the governor of helmand we have from build schools and the joint gave parents to see that little goals going to school was extraordinary and i didn't understand it until i took my daughter to school about a year ago. There was a little crying when she first winton but written win. Okay and i would love to see that continue but there was a second image. I miss leave you with and it is a hard one. But i'm afraid it is one that i think we still remember and i wonder if you could say a bit more about that second each. I'm very grateful to my friend. Who's watching the clock more than me. The second images one that the forever war has just reignited could lead to the image of a man whose name i never knew carrying a child who had died our speech from parliament. Welcome back at erickson here. The phone number is eight. Seven seven nine seven eric. Eight seven seven nine seven three seven four to five now. Look i got a caveat this when coming out of the gate here because i i got a guest on with me. He's also a candidate for office. And i know how this works. I put a candidate for office on in every other candidate. Run for office is like nighter. Mitre mitra no the hell. It's not my show. And i have someone on not talk about politics and campaigns. But you're talking about his background. He was active duty in afghanistan and iraq He worked as a director of intelligence programs on the national security council and the trump administration. He joined the seals after nine eleven. And i wanna talk about that experience in afghanistan His name is letham stadler candidate for the us senate in georgia. Welcome to the program. Eric thank you so much. It's an honor to be on the show here. So now i i will violate my opening here and nasty one thing because the atlanta journal constitution has a hit job out on you today that in in two thousand four in the In the presidential campaign you ventured into a democratic presidential primary in north carolina. If i recall right that was the year Rush limbaugh was telling conservatives. They should go in. And try to keep howard dean alive. Yeah that's right. I woke up this morning and saw that and considered that a badge long or that my opponents Or scraping the bottom of the barrel of of the author to try and take me down with the fact that as a teenager. i once thought i was a democrat and then quickly learn about the world and that was That was due to a lack of real world experience there and and then in two thousand four. I could not stand John kerry was an honor to vote against him twice. As you know we didn't have we didn't have a primary presidential primary Since george w bush was running for reelection so voted in the rest of the republican primary. But i took an opportunity to aim at john kerry twice and Sure it's that good for you man that guy. Now let's talk about your experience first of all. How did you get into the military. Yes sir so. We'll look at the university of georgia. Have time my wife and nine eleven happened. It changed all of our lives forever. certainly changed mine eric. I didn't have plans to join the military and a switch went off on that day for me. And i ended up on a long journey to becoming a navy seal and ended up Living in the regions fillets for full academic year while i was learning the persian language farsi. Dari lived into dan. And and this week has been a heartbreaker for me because of course the home a backpack throughout the fan. I can see thousand nine when i was over there and then later deployed there as maybe feel with my brothers and sisters and the teams and i'm fluent in the language and so that this week has been pretty jarring for all of us and it certainly has to me as well i before we get into echinacea and let me ask you just given your background there and the people into contact with the mental health issue of those who who fought lost colleagues there Seen what president biden is doing and the chaos after the long fought war. I don't know if you were listening to earlier. I i play the audio of a british member of parliament. Who said it wasn't a it wasn't a never ending war. It was a never ending piece if we had maintained it It was a war to get to that piece. And we've squandered the peace and really just just your thoughts on the m- the strain that's the taxing strain on mental. Health is going to be for the soldiers. Yeah i'm very concerned about that. Eric i mean obviously a lot of folks that experience Combat over their struggle with mental issues and I think for for anybody whether you do or not but how everything was thrown away After twenty years it's just it's heartbreaking. I mean it really is and then look failure eric. I fall in the category of. I don't think i don't believe in Perpetual foreign wars without an end state I think that there are a lot of lessons. Learned that lead to come from this but the way this was done there were multiple options whether it was a limited footprint within the country a footprint without to give us the same capability to prevent another nine eleven and I it it's How this was done than just such a heartbreaker and the fact that it's gonna put a forever. Spain on our entire country to just a complete lack of leadership at the top and poor execution on the ground is just it. it's very troublesome. Mel told me john king was on the other day major general and also georgia insurance commissioner talking about the number of people who have reached out to him via whatsapp from afghanistan. Just trying to get their kids out of the situation not themselves I assume you've got some context over there. Are you talking to anyone. Or what are you hearing. Yeah i'm talking to a few folks. I've had a bunch of folks reach out a can enact capacity and getting my thoughts on the matter just giving it a unique Multiple unique plans to to view this situation through. I mean number one eric. I'm grade with concerned about the another number of americans are still over there. And i mean i. It's it's it's very concerning that we could end up with the largest office crisis that our country's ever seen due to Just an entire lack of planning and execution ground. And then of course you know i think about the the afghans that boasted me so graciously when i was a graduate student backpacking through the reasons and they talked about their experiences during the taliban era and trophies experience and how much they enjoy their freedom and then of course the occupants that that we that we fought with over there in afghanistan. I mean all these soap lives are in jeopardy and it and it didn't have to be this way So it's rough the walkman if heart breakfast shirt now you for a while you were with the national security council for president trump. I know he wanted to get out of afghanistan and ultimately ga- gave the order to wind down. What was it like being in the national security council for president trump at the time. Yeah so for me. I would fair. I knew now after years the administration First year and a half of that while still navy on active duty as you mentioned on the national security council and then. I was the white house fellow working on domestic policy issues for an additional year. Am i'll tell you on the national security front especially. It was an honor to do the work that we did. We put our adversaries on their heels. They felt this emanating out of america. And i had a very is the opposite of that eric. In twenty fifteen. I was a twenty five personnel in iraq Interestingly the same plan that a current secretary defenseless was sent com. Mander was not impressed by them. Then we had our. I mean we were not allowed to do much before fifteen because of micromanagement out of the white house from folks. That just had no idea what's going on on the ground. And i promised myself after that experience eric if i ever have the opportunity to serve on the national security council staff i'm gonna do it and i'm going to reverse that way of doing this and i'll tell you we empowered interagency the department fencing and meeting state department to do their job. Because they're they're the expert but we were also very thoughtful about everything we did. I mean we asked ourselves for questions my team to any critical vision in our activities overseas. There we ask yourself. What is the in state. How much does it cost. How long will it take. And who else can do this with or without and it. And there were the people up there. Eric that had the variance on the ground. And you look at the cast of characters that are in the white house right now. It's no wonder that they didn't even think. Through the fact that there's a fighting season in afghanistan that circular spring and goes through the summer and the fact that they announced this in the spring in the pull the plug at the height of fighting season in an act surprised when taliban takes over the country may just shared you. The type of folks that are out there making critical decisions on behalf of our country. Now i bring some politics into this Uranium's rafael were not. Well first. you gotta make it through a republican. Primary in georgia to gulf begins rafael. Warnock eight. john. King the georgia insurance sure said tom. Cotton from arkansas. Who veteran a was. Try actively trying to help John king's contacts but wore knocking us. All are nowhere to be seen not returning phone calls and in fact. I've tried to find any of their public statements. Really can't find them. Say anything about the afghan situation right now and i look. Here's your opportunity to china on undimmed going into hiding com lara's it thermal revival and and underscore Eric why jordan has always had a proud tradition of having national security experts in the united states senate from which they had richard b russell back in the day with sam non who who third. We won the cold war. Rich johnny with saxony with david who fought the good fight on dishes and now for the first time of world war. Two we don't have the united states. Senator on the senate armed services committee and the the these folks have no idea about these issues. I mean it's it's no wonder their silent because if they spoke i think they'd trip up and it's one of the reason why got race. Eric i got a firsthand view of our national security apparatus both on one end of that spectrum executing foreign policy on the ground with my brothers in the teams but then also the decision making table at the white house and i saw the blood and guts of our pentagon as well as our intelligence community. And there's folks doing great work for the country but are in desperate. Need eric of of of modern reforms for the way warfare face. I mean somebody needs to get up there and do what. Sam nunn did in eighty and nineties to reform those institutions. And make sure that we're ready for any sort of war around the corner and that's not happening in fascinating single. Learn at the white house though. It's wherever the president. United states is they don't have the power didn't make those institutional changes the only way you can do that. As on capitol hill senate armed services committee the senate select committee on intelligence in the senate appropriations committee. They control the funding authorities. Those folks don't necessarily get the full picture that handful of folks at the white house get depending on. Where i i'll tell you eric i. I cannot wait to get up there and make peace because our country. It georgia deserves to have a national security expert in the senate. Georgia deserve to have somebody that actually has experienced issues both on the ground in at the national level of policymaking and a tell my wife is very concerned. I'm never going to sleep again. But this department that seat wake up at four. Am just ready gore. Every well somebody needs to compared to these guys listen best alexi out on the campaign trail and it really appreciate your stopping by talking about your experience there. I know it's got gotta be taxing on you. Given given what is now being given up there in your service at the country so one thank you for your service in two very much. Thank you for stopping by well. Thank you word eric. Just know that you're worth it in the country before that and if we have been rough indeed but but it just a even more than it was the right decision to jump in this arena. The put country first leaders backup in washington to right the ship. So thank you honor to be on the show. And i look forward to meeting person. Yeah me too. Thanks very much. Late them sadler. He's a candidate for the united states. Senate in the republican primary in georgia was a navy. Seal backpacked through afghanistan Learn the language is also one of those rare people who went to university georgia and georgia. Tech undergrad. uga and and got his masters at georgia tech and surfer president trump on the national security folks eden. Pure wants to clean the air in your house. We can't clean the air in washington right now but we can clean the air in your house with the thunderstorm And right now you can buy two and you can get one or you can buy three and save two hundred dollars the race listen. 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And and what we leave behind the either the fact that ed you know multiple members of the military on background or say it was strategic ineptitude to give up baghram air force base where that would have been another point a to in which we could extract people and yet louis gave it up and we were dependent on the afghan international airport harmon karzai hamid karzai international airport in order to extract people. It was just botched in the way it was done absolutely botched in the way it was done now. That's not the only thing going on out there. there's there's lots of other stuff When we come back though. I do kinda wanna do. A little bit of a deep dive primer on afghanistan primer as the british would call it. Just she's so we can reset the stage here in. Bring everybody up to speed on all the the ins and outs here. But there's a story. I saw this over at not. The you know the babylon guys. They occasionally run stuff. That's not a parody. 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Bella Be Good Update: Puppy Training Series | Ep: #53

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31:16 min | 1 year ago

Bella Be Good Update: Puppy Training Series | Ep: #53

"Welcome back everybody podcast podcast. This is number fifty three. I think and what we're GONNA do it as we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA go back we've been we've done a couple probably three three. Maybe Bella updates probably done three. Maybe maybe even more in Bellevue good is a series that we're doing right now. She is a pup. She's nine she'll be nine months old. I've been way off with her birthday since the day we got her. We got her about twelve or thirteen weeks. which is not normal for me? I usually to give them a lot younger. But circumstances didn't allow it and so we ended up giving this puppy a little bit later and go back and listen to be good the the different podcast with Bella be good titled that I guess because we we're doing the series on her we're filming her training and I've I've fallen a little bit behind and posting on them they've they've they've been filmed. We're actually not that far out right now because we're we're posting stuff that's in October. So we're only we're about two months and we didn't we kinda the space that out at least a month before we started posting. So we didn't we're not falling back that far They are they were filmed a couple of weeks prior to when I postal and so but what we're doing is documenting her training. She's a little pop that came to us from a chemical Blue Cypress. kennels she comes from a dog is a fender dog. Which is David Letham? Out of England in she was bred to one of Blue Cypresses females that they had imported that is a field. Trial winner We got a puppy out of it. I was really the only reason I really took. The puppy was because I wanted to Proof this line These genetics and because I'm I'm kind of interested in them for myself and and in what better way to do it than train a puppy out of it She has been a tremendous little pup. I was screwed up with her with her birthday. Shout at one point I think I I thought she was eleven months old recently and then I started looking at the numbers and man. That's not adding up. Her birthday is April fifth or sixth. So she's in December or January. She will turn nine months so really really kind of excited to update you on it. These are extensions. These these podcast episodes are extensions of the Bellevue. Good series which has been filming US training her basically In in not every day but real consistently distantly at least once. You're a couple times a week earlier on it was. It was every day for a while there during the summer but into the fall slowed down a little little bit hunting seasons. And and I think it's a real good representation of what really does happen in real life training dogs in training her the same way I would any any of Michael I would say with any my personal dogs in fact all all of our clients dogs are raised. How do personal dogs? They live in our house their I trained. I won't sell a dog. That would keep myself so the the number of client dogs that we do are very limited in its for lots of different different reasons but one of the reasons is because of the amount of time that we put into them and because I love doing it we're going to do a limited number of on because I am going to raise them just like our own and so they she is coming along nicely at nine months old. I'm a little bit relieved in this. Sounds it's funny because I'm relieved at where we're at because before I was going eleven months ten eleven months. We're probably a little behind where I would like to be. And then I realized may she's only nine months old also here. I am judging our progress based on age. Which is what I tell people never to do? So I'm guilty of it so I start thinking about those numbers at times and go well. We're I use I do have a basic roadmap of where when and how I WanNa do things with dogs and a lot of it's driven based on how how they grow up and mature when their teething one when they grow up and mature meaning like literally grow up their personalities prior to Bella. I had dogs that for the last couple of years. Were almost slow in development in my mind from maturing standpoint they just they just took a little bit longer. There's nothing wrong with it. It's just they did Bella has proven For a while there I was thinking same situation but then I realized I was off by two months in her age and I went boy and never mind. She's progressing. Maybe a little quicker than normal since I got her. She's been a sponge she's been very. She's super intelligent. I think her her dog. IQ Is really high her willingness to please great she wants to make me happy It's figuring out how to communicate with her. I've I've realized that I don't I can't handle her by asking for stuff. I have to tell her if I ask her. She takes advantage of me so she's smart. She's very sweet but she's also not going to let you can't just beg him plead with her. I have to tell her once she knows what what to do. It's being firm and telling her and she'll do it so it's a little bit just a little bit different different approach with her than some of the other dogs that I've had her delivery. Retrieve is some of the Best I've ever had ever in fifteen sixteen years of of of the UK bred dogs so the retrieves just been simple whole. We haven't hold conditioned yet. We're going to at some point. I've had zero issues that have distinct you can hear the baby's was apparently awake upstairs now but But based on the screams buren. But so I apologize if you hear that in the background but Her retrieve is just super supernatural. We ran into a little bit of a hiccup with. They're wanting to fly by me and run past me. That was about a month or six weeks ago. Well since then and this is kind of the update part of it her. She has grown up significantly in the last three weeks us. And when I say grownup not not so much physically She's not a very big dog she's only at she's probably in the mid forties right now pound weight wise She's not real tall. She's her company confirmations really nice she's got a really good classic classic look to her. Love the look of her but her size is small and I expected it to be a little bit bigger mom about sixty pounds and data's sixty three a sixty four pounds so I expected a little bit bigger dog. I don't think she's going to be over. Fifty one fifty two pounds. Maybe we're all over and done with. She does have to fill out a little bit EH. But it's not going to be real big dog so maturity wise. When I say growing up I mean like mentally? She's kind of come around income. Come come around this corner. One over the hill of being a little bit of a spazzy little pup for a while. She got real excited excited. She did her Tucker Tail and run type thing she'd kind of start seeing white not raging at all but like she just kind of spun herself auto control boiled over this. How I like to refer to it And I talk about when the dog when I see those signs of the dog starting to boil over you got options as a trainer trainer. You can pour gas on that fire and turn the heat up and try to capture them real quickly. I don't see that happening very often successfully instead. I like to take the take the KNOB on the stove and turn the heat down. If you if you're boiling water and you start to see it. Live bubble all start on the bottom and then you can kinda see the water start moving and then all of a sudden that heat way up all of a sudden it just boof it just starts to starts to really rapidly. Boil in that head starts to build up over and you're going to boil over real quickly if you don't do something now if you turn the heat up up at that point what will happen. It'll boil over quicker or you can turn the heat down or off in watch. Almost instantly that that boiling shut off. And so that's the analogy that I use when I see her start to ramp up and you gotta be able to be able to see it coming. Most people know when it's going to come because maybe not the first couple of times but they start to see clues they start to see a repetition of situations nations that this happens in and so if you're not conscious of that and aware of it. I think it's funny how some people will say. I just don't know how to avoid it just that it's just her. That's her personality. And I think some people accept it and go. That's just the way she's going to be. That's kind of dog. She is and I look at it and go. Oh yes if you don't change the situation exactly because what is dog. Training forming habits are habits for repetition and consistency. If you're repetitious meticias inconsistent and form undesirable habits. They're gonNA form just like good ones. Those that will become the habit and so folks that struggle with this was some of these situations ago. I just don't know how to change you were doing nothing. Won't change it. You GotTa Start to respond and react act and be proactive. And so when you start to see these clues when you start to understand the situations that trigger them you prior to go. You can't avoid them. I think some some people just avoid issues that the dog boils over. I you don't know how many people that struggle with retrieves because the dog gets so excited and they run circles and they run victory laps. And you WANNA play keep away and there could be a lot of things that led up to it to create that issue but the actual issue itself the actual symptom a lot of people go. I can't get through that so what will do is we'll avoid. It just won't retrieve retrieve I don't have to deal with it but then you'll never be able to retrieve and that becomes a little frustrating for someone who likes to develop a retriever so avoiding it won't fix it. You can't avoid your problems you have to face them and so but what you have to do is face them not crossing your fingers on Hope Street in hoping that we're going make it through. You need to go into it with a plan. You gotta go into prepared so all of a sudden you start to see these clues. The dog in there is in their body language. The way they wiggle their their butts and their tails all these little clues start to get happy feet and start dancing around the way they start happening I got she hops. She gets up offer. Front feet starts to hop all these little things instantly go. I know what's going to happen. If let it keep happening or turn heat off an so slowing down get regaining control getting ahold of the dog putting the lead on the dog just changing. The environment to overcome is what we've had to do with her. And so we've done that now for a couple of weeks and I haven't allowed it to frustrate me me at all again. It that's going to happen. She started out. I'm watching some of these. As part of the reason I talked about is because I'm watching some of these videos Post awesome and they're you know weeks prior and I'm going my God. She was way calmer at thirteen fourteen. Fifteen weeks old then she was at eighteen nineteen twenty weeks old like she just it. It and I don't know if those are the right numbers at have to look back on the dates but there was a period of time that would for the first couple for first month or so a couple of months and she was just so chilled out and I loved it and then she started to start to build up some this this boldness and I think part of it with her is this is another unique thing to her. So when you're listening to this I'm talking about Bella. I'm not talking about sparky Tinkerbell and Max in if you have other dogs. They're not all the same as Bella because bell is not the same as spry. SPRY wasn't the same Taylor. Taylor's on same as Ellie. Those are all dogs in our house. They all have general general similarities. But they're all very dramatically different on the micro level and so we've had to adjust to them on the micro level and so you may have similarities the Bella you may have more similarities spry. You may have some similarities with Elliot Taylor so by looking back on all of our stuff the last podcast we did. We talked about a gallon had watched the puppy. DVD's and I use Odin and he's gamble in there to yellow dot a yellow dog a black dog that about the same age but one is very different than any other and she made comparisons to Odin and she made comparisons to gamble. She said my dogs more like gambled and Odin so I guarantee she. She doesn't have odin she doesn't have she doesn't have gamble just doesn't have sprite. She doesn't have Bella. She's got a combination of all these so by listening to us in watching US train. That's why we do. It was so many different dogs. That's why we've documented so many different dogs that's why we did cody. Go back. Go back is different than illegal back. We never did an illegal back but we did we. We did post Oliver Training for handling or most of it early on and we did spry to spry. Elliott cody all have very different vision of of handling when I say handling like hand signals there progresses were different. Every dog trained to handle is as progress. A little bit differently early some quicker some slower some better at certain things. Some do some struggle to the whistle. We couldn't even get into handle until we got good. Set to the whistle but with Bella. We're showing it and we're showing it pretty in depth and what one of the things I like about it was she was so damned calm for a while. It probably pissed people off off who they've probably said. Where does he get these dogs? They're magic now. Do I think part of it is genetics. Yeah do I buy the best genetics I could find. I buy the best genetics that fit me. I'M NOT SAYING THEY FIT everybody but for me one hundred percent my mission is to create the perfect dog for me and my clients clients. And maybe you're maybe fit with that. Maybe you want that. Maybe you don't I don't care doesn't matter but I do think the inevitable is you've got to find find the perfect dog for you or the best for you that helps to start the whole process. Oh so when you find that matched a lot it eliminates potentially a lot of the work. That's necessary theory. It makes some of the work that is necessary a little bit easier but in you can avoid some of the major issues but so with her. She started out so calm. I'm so smooth so very natural. I think it was partially because of some of the things we were doing. I think we did a nice job of of ingredients and good habits habits early on. I think she came to me with some very good habits. You know. She was with the Kennel. She was down a boost pipers for the first four weeks after being with her litter mates. It's needed a real nice job. Housebreaking issue was was fixed and there was no issue when I had her. So we just piggybacked on what was already put put in so. I think it's important to start out early but with her one of the things about her. She's extremely cautious when she gets to anything. We knew where some dogs extremely bold when they get the things that are new and they'll they'll just fearless. She's not she's very few very hesitant She's very timid. She's very cautious. When she's discovery new things and then as she warms up and develops a comfort level for boldness comes out with that that's micro? I see that constantly and I've seen it since day one. I got her now when I look at last be we had her. We got her at about three months old and she's so for the last six months of training. I can break that down kind of a little bit bigger level and I go you know what for the first two or three months of that training. She was cautious. She was a little hesitant. It wasn't like it froze. Her Up. Didn't lock her up but boy she was just smooth and nice and easy to handle really positive thing made a real smooth but then she got got confident with the scenario situations. The people the places the things that we were doing and she. That's where her cautiousness went away and she became more bold and that's where her temperament her disposition or personality change that along with she became a little bit of a teenager kind of I don't know if I'd call it a teenager. But maybe like preteen and so she got a little Sassy at times. She got a little smart little smarter than I needed her to be at times so I had to work through that and then all of a sudden last so that might have been you know. She's three four five months maybe of of that and maybe about six seven months she started to she went through that phase of I think I might test a little bit more and I actually went backwards in training from progress standpoint. I went from off lead to going back on lead a lot. I went from Lau in her. Two free kind of Free Roam in casten Aston quarter a little bit freer out for walks in certain situations to go on. I don't think I can do that anymore. Because the few times I called her she didn't come back worse. She always did before. And so this little bit of rebellion came up and I said no panic. No freaking out no getting getting upset. No throwing my hands up. No quitting. No avoiding the issue instead be proactive. So what did I do just real. We're in a little bit. I took away some of the freedom that she earned and I made her earn it again and in the last four weeks man. She's just really really grown up beautifully and it might have taken and so it took maybe it was maybe a four to six weeks of rocky roads with the little girl and it wasn't bad it wasn't like it got terrible. But it got a little rough rougher not nearly the progress and I blame it on myself as well so I should should be gotta be honest with you. We didn't do a damn thing for a while. We did very little as far as moving forward. I didn't allow her to go backwards. Yeah I didn't allow her to just downward spiral and in the lower to just kind of hit the streets and fend for herself but we went through October and November and we hunted a fairmount as much as I would like to but that will never have never will hunt as much as I'd like to but but we have a fair amount between deer and between birds we did. We spent a lot of time in the woods and loved it but she wasn't ready for it and it wasn't something that she was going to take part in so we didn't spend a ton of time moving forward and her training. We just kind of put the gear in neutral and didn't go backwards and we just maintained and the timing was perfect for that because she became a hell even now did she become a helium. Because of uh-huh maybe maybe it was. I don't think because of it. I think it might have been on top of it and so what we did. Was We worked. We allowed the time to to get through that and we didn't try to force our way through anything we didn't try to run through a brick wall. We took a look to the left and right and try to find a door and we might have had to walk away before we found the door so it might. It took a little bit of time but all of a sudden she let me know and it was clear to me. The personality change that I saw on her. And I almost tested through that six weeks of rough rougher time six to eight weeks I would test it my way of testing and it was remotes. It to be honest with you. I put on remote sit and I'd see how long can I put her on remote. Sit and how many distractions can she avoid on remote sit and if there were times there that I couldn't hardly put her on remote sit for. I couldn't get around Romo. Sit for a minute without her fussing around with something and I would pick her output her back in that spot and go nope. She's not ready now. I won't quit and say let's avoid remote sit. I just say I'M GONNA put her in one sitting at about forty five seconds. I'M GONNA walk back to Taylor. She's good healer off and then restarted until I get confident to the idea of let's see if she can get out a little bit longer timewise. Let's see if I can in go a little. I still don't trust you one hundred percent place when I leave the room. It's getting better but we went through a port. We went through a window there where she was great. Never it came off the bed and then all of a sudden soon as I started leaving the room. She's coming off the bed and playing with the other dogs and I heard it so I'd come around the corner and here she is. She looks at me and she knew she was wrong. Is Times where she'd look for her bed. See if she could get back to it before I get to her. She's smart as a whip. But I decided and I realized I can either continue down on this road and start. Keep leaving her on watched in have her continue to break off which will be consistent repetitious. And have it for me or I go. You know what I can't Manchester quite yet. I gotTA leave the room for five minutes. I'm going to go get her healer off. Put her in a crate. She had lost some of the freedom that she had earned and now she slowly starting to earn some of that stuff back and so at nine months. I'm looking back on it and I'm going. Yeah it's just a roller coaster part. We have some ups. We have announced we have some ups and downs. Ideally we try to get somewhere in the middle but it's inevitable you gotta have have some stuff go wrong in order to correct you gotta have some stuff go well in order to praise and have her understand. That's what you want. And so that's where we're at with her and man. I'm I'm just I'm really really happy with her Really reassured and again I shouldn't use time to measure anything ever but I'm looking at him going man I might be. I might be a little ahead of schedule so a couple months ago or weeks ago I went man. I'm kind kind of behind schedule. And that affected me that affected my mindset in my thought process of the Bell Good Project and then today I'm looking at it or recently I'm looking at it going Her birthday is April so only nine months old now. I'm feeling pretty good about myself and I'm thinking about that and I'm going. How come the exact same dog going through the exact same training processes? Nothing changed there except my thought process in my understanding of how old she is or how old she was. How come that makes me feel good or help makes me feel bad? 'cause it shouldn't make damn difference because it doesn't make a difference and so I see it because there's too many people that are worried about the stuff that doesn't matter and so I'm GonNa be doing another podcast about we're GONNA be talking more because it was a subject that I got into with another follower the tavern We've I've talked with quite a few times in different platforms and struggling in in quite honestly this. That's a little bit different scenario. Because that scenario is there's a lot of issues with what other people think that's going on with them with her her dog and in the end so part of the big picture answer that is before you'll be able to be happy you'll have to stop wearing what everybody else thinks. Because it really doesn't matter and you me I am guilty of this in this situation. It really doesn't matter how old she is. But if I allow AH hold she is to dictate whether or not satisfied or dissatisfied with your training to this point. Who's WHO's that falling on in? What what am I gaining? Buy Nothing so I have to take my own advice a lot of times and sometimes it just takes sitting back in thinking about it big picture for me. I'm I'm really lucky. Because we're documenting the hell out of this dog video wise with Bella be good this series through a youtube channel. We partnered with gun dog magazine redoing a series for North American whitetail retail on it. I'm writing a column for Gun. Dog magazine that will be good. We've done for maybe four podcasts. On it now all these little things. I document every episode that we that we post we do a promo for it. And so I write this intro. I break down. What and this is? What got my mind thinking about the spell? The good thing is I'm watching stuff. That happened a couple of months ago and so it's really easy for me now to recognize. Wow a couple months ago go. We were better than we were in between now. And then. And but if I hadn't recorded all that stuff and watched all that stuff and documented at the way we documented and now continue can you to. I won't probably recognize some of this stuff so I have the luxury because of the project that we're doing with her you guys at home don't necessarily surly have the luxury and I think I'm going to challenge you to think back on it a little bit somebody. You might not even remember it but some of you will some of you are in in the very early stages and should have keep it in the keep it in the forefront of your mind not in the back of your mind in the front of your mind to stop worrying about some of the things that you may be worried about if you don't think about it so pretty deep deep bench looking at me one holy. That's it that's your update doing great. We've nothing to worry about and I'm not gonNA worry about it and I'm just re- I'm very very excited. We did so. That's a bigger over picture to be a little more specific man. She started work off lead really nicely. She the We introduce the antler shape quicker so we started making retrieves at that. We're GONNA be doing game some game recovery stuff with tracking stuff. We recovered a deer with her recently. Recently she really track it but she followed it and she found the dead deer that was laying there follower instagram stories. Seeing that in on her instagram we made supposed on that. So we documented all that you're gonNA see a lot of stuff the big huge steps milestone type steps at this little puppy and just taking advantage of opportunities now shed season coming so we're starting to shift our mindset to a little bit of shape recognition sending things. They're injured a gun. We're GONNA shoot gone over pretty quickly. She's nine months old. We haven't shot the gun over why because I didn't need to and I didn't have the opportunity to and there really wasn't any rush. We're not hunting the dog till next fall. So we're going to do that pretty quick. I think it's time we're going to be. There's a couple of things. She's struggling to go up and down stairs. She hates stairs. So we're GONNA film her going up stairs she'll go up a couple of stairs. She hates long flights of stairs. She literally got the point the other day where she locked up off force. I so stupid little stuff like that that we run into we go man. We're not the only ones so we're gonNA talk about how we're going to document phil how to get her through going up and down on flights of stairs just some some real silly things that you don't think of critical everyday life stuff and then bigger picture stuff show. There's your Bella be good. Update we kept her under thirty minutes. appreciate you guys listening. We're GONNA continue to do these. We've you've got like the idea of doing some of the answers question and answer stuff to your instagram facebook. All over social media stuff that we got Youtube it's all dog bone hunter. Please continue to subscribe to that stuff stuff comments on that stuff that helps us gives us feedback feedback. But we're GONNA continue doing that but then there's also got a couple of other topics that have come up. That I think are are bigger picture. Bella bellow on this thing is one got a couple of other ones that I've gotten mine that I think we need to that. I think you're going to be valuable so we're going to continue to Kinda mix it up a little bit. We are going to be doing one if you did. If you follow it along we did an Arrow which was a melon Wa shepherd. Mix that we worked with few months. Back belongs to the Josh and Sarah Bomar we're going to be doing a podcast with them They do a podcast. We've talked about it. We're going to collaborate together on a podcast broadcasting. We're going to be doing that now. That's GonNa be like a major aero update and it'll be really interesting. It's going to be a lot of question. Answers specifically specifically to shed stuff because they have started to do some stuff with aero some of the stuff they've done I think is really smart and really good. Some of the stuff I caution in. We'll talk about with them of man. I don't know that I'd be doing that yet this year. So we're going to kind of break down another style of trade eve another style of Dog with that Malan Wa. Mix and super intelligent. And I'll be honest with you. I didn't I don't change my. I don't very my training styles much regardless of breed and I'll I'll stick to that till the day I die because I've yet to find one and I've trained a lots of different ones. I've yet to find one that I can't use the same general principles and find success. There there are always fine tune. Deal things that we do a little bit differently but I do that within. I do that within litter mates so if I've got two puppies out of the the same litter. I don't train the to the exactly the same and they're genetically as close as you're gonNA find to being the same dog so there's obviously some variations based on specific dogs. But in general broadly speaking the direction remains the same. So that's it for this one will will continue phillies. Appreciate you guys support. Thank you so much and I look forward to continuing growing. We're at fifty three right now. Just turn the half century mark. I'm I'm looking forward to hit triple digits. So we'll get there

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Ep 440 - A voz a cavalo na doena

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Where Juvenile Detention Looks More Like Teens Hanging Out

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Where Juvenile Detention Looks More Like Teens Hanging Out

"I'm mitzi miller. And this is seventy million. The juvenile corrections system has been the subject of scandals. Scrutiny and calls for reforms for years while juvenile incarceration rates have declined nationwide by sixty six percent between two thousand and two thousand and nineteen. The us still has the highest us incarceration rate in the world as a two thousand nineteen approximately thirty. Six thousand. Young people were held in residential policemen on a given night. Most of them were young people of color. Even as juvenile detention has plummeted across the country. Racial disparities have grown worse. Roughly two thirds of incarcerated youth in nineteen where people of color still there are signs of public. Opinion is shifting and policy is changing too in twenty twenty california decided to dismantle the state's department of juvenile justice and jurisdictions. All over the country are making similar moves on large and small scales today. We're you to saint. John's arizona to look at how changes to the juvenile corrections system are playing out in a rural county ruxandra. Greedy has our story all our live right now into a group of about three dozen excited teenagers listening to an announcement by apache county judge. Michael lethem this'll be something that'll be here for decades and you've got so it's early fall. Twenty seventeen in. This is the grand opening of saint. John's first center dedicated to teams. Letham is introducing. the people will be running it. Victor more news here pretty much every day as well as victor in polar smiling facing the energetic teens their probation officers in other words they work for the county but they dress in civilian year t shirts jeans baseball caps because they've been tapped by judge leith them to run this new facility the loft legacy teen center. It's a county run resource and activity center in the small town where kids often can't find much to do or people to talk to. It was like right at the end of my freshman year into the summer of my freshman year. I heard about it. I was like. Oh that's cool. I didn't think anything of it. I didn't think it would be this. Cool hannah wilkinson was there and then i walked. Tv's there's pool table. There's all this cool stuff for kids to do and it was really exciting. The loftus and the old juvenile detention building on saint. John's main strep but all repurpose and cleaned up. It has high ceilings in central open room from which you can access for smaller rooms. It's been made to look like an industrial loft space with white walls. Wood and aluminum touches everywhere and comfy red and black couches and being backs. Hannah's nineteen now and has been working part time mentor at the loft. When she was younger she had strict parents so this place became her refuge and she spent most of the afternoon suffer high school years. Here i will come in. And there was kids firm like all different types of like clicks. I guess and they would just come in and a kid who's a jock and a kid who's a what they call. Nerd would just sit and play xbox together people. I never would have expected to hang out with and i think we've really had the opportunity to like not worrying as much about ourselves and kind of like be more together and you really meet. He want a much deeper level here. It's made such a difference for her. She invested in helping others. Have that too when the biggest you'll ever finding so this is one of the teenagers whose occurrence regular at the loft incense. he's only seventeen. I won't use his real name. We'll call him william. Yeah i've i've watched like every marvel movie comes out and stuff. They really did. Help me before i start was able had access to his place. Some kids end up at the loft because their high school teacher their coach or judge lay them himself recommends it some have been in the juvenile correction system others like william and hannah before him are just here because they need a place to hang out. And william comes religiously every weekday to play video games or i started coming here after my eighth grade graduation so we had a field trip to come down here and i really like that. They offer computers xbox and then you can just play pool or air hockey and then every once in a while they'll throw lake some kind of event after he finished eighth grade. William dropped out of school like hannah. He also struggles with his parents and with learning in a traditional environment. This place fields free in a way to me Most of the time to talk to certain people you feel like you're getting judge during or something by When you talk to them here they gave out by sea. Have you planned for your future. And he just don't immediately jumped to one conclusion. They consider multiple so he keeps coming to the loft and often to talk or just to play video games side by side with hannah. Since mentors are mandatory reporters for things like abuse or illegal behavior. She occupies a kind of middle ground. Between friends and authority. Some get will just come up into start talking. And i'm like i just listened this rate and then there's a few kids that are often asked like. Do you want me to give you advice. Would you want me to listen. And there are certain things that i have to like. If there's like a life in danger or something illegal going on. I have to report. And so i would have to this chino. Unlike get everything sorted out. And i've i've only had to do that once thankfully but the kids are still really open with me even knowing that like even if they say something. I have to call it paul. Hancock also has a kind of double role. He's director of juvenile court services for peci county. But he also acts as a mentor at the loft. He takes me on a tour late one morning before the kids arrive. Yeah this is our education room and we usually we have study com thirty five so we asked him do homework research stuff. We duck into a fully equipped recording studio in a music room with a keyboard and electric guitars hanging from the walls that took its inspiration from the rock. A teen center started by famous heavy rocker. Alice cooper in phoenix about a four hour. Drive from here and then there's the big open area with a game since sofas started off with one table wildly popular boys. It's a social game. You can't play pool and not off to somebody so we have kids. That don't know each other to high school but they know each other really well here. We're kind of breaking. Through some clicks like clockwork. The kids start showing up alone or with their crews as soon as the local high school lets out. They go straight for the pool and ping pong tables. They played together. They sit around and then they moved to the xbox or the music room by mid afternoon and into evening. I see about ten teenagers lounging around the place but some nights the loft will host two or three times that number and when they do. Richie is often sitting there at the front desk. The kids all know that we'll work through probation and the court they all know wanted to small community but to We we don't hide it from when we make a point of richard gwen. Or richie is a sheriff's deputy turn mentor. I mean my title is investigator. But i'm i'm a fixer. So i'm also the fleet manager in the armourer has an officer for a small rural community like saint. John's richie is in charge of managing cars and weapons. He wears many hats but he's most proud of being part of the loft which he sees in the context of a reform movement. I'd like to think it's part of a bigger shift. We've had several on civil pushes from the administrative offices courts. We've moved to evidence based practices. And we have tons of studies out there that have talked about recidivism rates and you know the other associated issues with incarceration and things like that and i think it has worked. We've had a tremendous reduction in the number of referrals that we've had to be specific. Juvenile arrests in apache county dropped by forty four percent. The year after the loft opened statewide. According to data from the arizona department of juvenile corrections the number of juvenile offenders who were in detention fell by forty one percent from twenty fifteen to twenty nineteen saint. John's calls itself the town of friendly neighbors. It said son. Ancestral apache hopi dna and suny land. Which was then occupied by mexican and mormon settlers who established a town in the late eighteen. Hundreds today has a population of around thirty five hundred people. More than three quarters white. It's a mellow community close to the mountains. Which makes it an attractive place for families. Like judge leith. Femmes wife's mom grew up in saint. John's so we I worked at a big firm in phoenix. And then one of my friends moved up here. I when judge lay them. His wife and young children decided to follow suit. He took a job at the apache county attorney's office and then he decided to run for judge on i look. He doesn't fit the stereotype. He looks like a youthful college student. And as a friendly welcoming demeanor but he had a vision but part of it really was just you know there were things. I felt like needed to happen and things that my experience in small counties is a lot of times. Things are being done the way they're being done because that's how they've always been done one of those things. The biggest one was the local youth detention center which was heavily underutilized. The eleven bed facility said empty for sometime six weeks at a time and was costing a little over eight hundred thousand dollars a year when you average one point seven kids a day. Those costs just stop making sense. And so i knew this was a problem like it was a well known thing amongst you know maintenance people that like you know the staff's playing ping pong because there's nobody there it's just a systemic problem You know in a small county like this. You just don't have the numbers and you don't ever want to make the numbers. Ultimately fewer kids getting arrested was a good thing but nearby counties weren't making the numbers either. It still wasn't clear to judge letham whether there were just fewer referrals of juveniles by police or whether kids simply weren't getting into trouble as much she didn't land on a single answer but the more he looked into that shift. The more saint. John's was beginning to look like so many other places across arizona and across the country so most of the time you're juvenile justice criminal justice all reactionary so as a court as a probation system. You sit back rely on everybody else to do the programming and you just hope and then you just get what you get right for years now. Psychologists psychiatrists and sociologists have been studying the impacts of incarceration on young people's development. And they've found that time behind bars can produce long lasting negative change. He realized we're locking kids up. The probably shouldn't be locked up because my view is if you have that sixteen year old. The didn't really do anything. And maybe was the one kind of getting harassed by mom's boyfriend ray and the solution was to arrest that kid and bring him to detention. There is no kind of detention so if they actually bookham. Then that kid's gonna be strip searched that kid's gonna be put into a jump striped jumpsuit. He's going to be put into the flip flops. And if you wanna talk about psychological damage to a kid that's how you do it if you wanna send the message to the kid that the system doesn't care about you and you're just a number that's how you do it. So here's what judge leith and proposed a drop in teen center that would be funded through the county court system at almost a third of the cost of the juvenile facility. Their new approach would be proactive engagement bringing in local youth with community projects and leisure activities. The loft would partner with the local high school coaches as well as the police and sheriff's departments to identify teenagers in need of mentorship or after school activities. If police arrested a local kid who committed a serious felony such as first or second degree murder or armed robbery the county would need to send them to a regional juvenile facility a good for hours away but more often than not police might end up bringing a kid to the loft without charges. It's a reversal of the old toughen. Juvenile crime philosophy leftover from decades past in the eighties american cities faced growing rates of both adult and juvenile violence between one thousand nine hundred eighty nine hundred ninety four youth arrests for fences like murder forcible rape robbery and aggravated assault rose by sixty four percent. This is what's commonly referred to now as the super predator era. The super predator is a young juvenile criminal who is so impulsive so remorseless but he can kill rape maim without a giving it a second thought. The prediction was ter. That's princeton university. Political science professor john dell'olio featured in a retro report new york times documentary. He coined the term in the nineties predicting that the number of juveniles in us custody would increase exponentially into the next two decades pundits and politicians on both sides of the aisle picked up the term and it was used to justify tough on crime legislation later. Deluca would go onto publicly regret his super predator predictions which were heavily weighted toward a young black and brown men in the so-called inner city by the year. Two thousand there were more than one hundred thousand young people in custody in the us. That's around the time. When victor chavez began working for the correction system in arizona. I was working as a supervisor in detention center in holbrook for navajo county. The job was difficult but the thing he loved the most was helping newly released offenders as they got out of prison. I mean a lot of its positive when you get those success stories and people that are successful on probation and go on to have successful Lives after that. That's great but there's so much negative ask about it and then when you have to like revoke him in the end up having to go to prison and stuff like that you see. The effects on has on the family. Sometimes that gets to you you know and it does to me. It's especially as i get older. It's just. I just have more empathy for people in their families. Victor had a family of his own and he was eager for something different in two thousand seventeen. He heard from his former coworker. Paul hancock news like victor. We're gonna do something. Hopefully it's going to be really awesome. And i'd like you come be a part of it. Paul told victor how the apache county juvenile detention center located about an hour from where he worked in navajo. County was closing down how the new judge had a different idea for how to use the space one that was inspired by more prevention and mentorship. Then he's took the place and the vision and everything else. And i got to meet the judge lead them and then i was like oh man the i totally want to be a part of this place. I've always been a fan like a mentorship programs and things like that positive things for for juveniles and kids to to try to maybe deflect the trajectory. they're on now in life and maybe more positive direction. Now if a kid was acting out arresting them was in the only option. Police could take them to the loft where they might end up in one of its so-called respite. Rooms judge late them himself showed me one of them. Kid comes in and arrest. But they'll bring him front door just like any respite is like he really needs to. Someone needs to mediate. Respite is what i consider. They just need a safe place to stay or you know we've had times where the officers on patrol at two. Am and they've got a kid sleeping at the park and it's because mom dad kicked him out. Well you know we give them the option like well. It's not safe for you to stay here. You know it's two a m so they can call us and we can say yeah. Bring him but so this used to be a single bed cell but now you can see so when it comes in here. The the vibe and the view they're going to have is not like on under wrestling. This is nicer than my kid's room. You know the to respite. Rooms are all gel cells. Eight by ten feet. But they've been transformed to have windows. Nice bats with comforters and pictures on the white painted walls. A kid will stay in a respite room. Overnight during which. Victor richie or another mentor will chat with them and connect them with social services. If needed the last time. A kid came with a police referral. Two months before i visited. He ended up being taken to the regional juvenile facility and pinal county on most days though. The loft fills up with only kids who come to socialize do homework play games or escape. Whatever challenges to may face at home this kind of approach is spreading a state authorities are also making changes so we know there's a small percentage of the population that you know does harm does 'cause Continued delinquency will run away but it's a small percentage. It's not the majority. This is joseph kilroy director of the juvenile justice services division at the arizona supreme court what arizona did is they created up a detention hearing the next day so of if it was on a friday. They had saturday detention hearings. So that you know. Kids didn't sit excessively in a detention center and we know that with trauma of brain development. Those types of things we we can do more harm by placing a kid even for a night. In a detention center the state also standardized detention screening tool a rubric that would holistically determine whether a juvenile should even be put in detention. To begin with you know if a judger probation officer somebody gets upset with the kid. And the responses detention the tool cannery guided them and said now this really this kid really. Isn't these not a public risk. He's gonna show back up to court he probably won't commit new offenses and you can do some alternative either return them home with some conditions or Look at another family member or adult that the parents approve of to avoid that. It doesn't have to be a location can be you know a combination of various factors to help keep a kid connected to their schools communities so that you're not disrupting that i think what's driving a lot of the change is a lot of this evidence based practices and data here stretch leith him again so what we've learned so if you look at the old model the old model was you know sort of spared the stick spoil the child And so that's sort of how we viewed it as if you punish a kid enough then the learn to correct the behavior but the premise of that argument is assuming that these kids have good family. Lives the truth is. That's not what we do with that shift in perspective that most kids need support in love rather than punishment is slowly permeating the correction system in small communities like saint john's in arizona overall in other states two in september twenty twenty california became the first state to announce it would be dismantling its division of juvenile justice or jj after years of scandals by july. Twenty twenty three. It's three remaining state facilities. Close their doors and transferred juvenile detention two counties and it stead california plans to launch a new office of youth and community restoration focused on rehabilitation and community reintegration and a group of fifty seven youth correctional administrators from all over the country known as the youth. Correctional leaders for justice have made a radical recommendation. Close down youth presence once and for all of come to saint. John's high school graduation where sixty six local kids will be getting their diplomas. Paul hancock tells me about half of them. Have come through the loft. This is the first high school class that has had the loftus of resource since the very beginning of freshman year. Where backstage with. Paul victor in william the teenager who loves the xbox today he's being trained to shoot video of the ceremony and to stream it online for people back home but before it all starts call in. Victor are trying to convince him to go back to school like they do just about any chance. They get refreshing like a whole year. William looks shyly at the ground. He's not answering but as long as he continues to come into the loft and he can keep doing this while he still a minor tallin. Victor will keep encouraging him to try sports or video or music. Whatever works after all the graduates names are called and they throw their caps in the air. William checks in with victor. He's good to go home over all the noise in the cheers i can hear william and his mentor saying to one another. See you on monday at the loft. Thanks to sandra greedy for that story. This fall apache. County plans to open the doors to its second teen center. The lodge about a half hour away from the loft as for william. He is currently planning to return to school and is working on individual education plan with a high school counselor for more information tool kits and to download the annotated transcript for this episode. Visit seventy million pod dot com. Seventy million is an open source. Podcast because we believe we are all part of the solution. We encourage you to use our episodes and supporting materials in your classrooms organizations and anywhere they can make an impact you may rebroadcast. Parts of or entire episodes of our four seasons without permission. Just please drop us a line so we can keep track. Seventy million is made possible by grant from the safety injustice challenge as macarthur foundation and is produced by l. w. c. Jen hsien edited this episode. Cedrick wilson is our lead producer and sound designer. Emma forbes is our staff writer and michelle. Baker is our photo editor mark. Ben court is our lead fact checker to lake. Antigua is the creator and executive producer. I'm mitzi miller. Thank you for listening. This podcast is part of the democracy group.

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"Okay so hello miss christina. How are you. Oh you're getting sky. Well at this point. I do believe that you have realized that i have brought you here under false pretenses. It wasn't just the check out the studio. This is an interview with miss christina letham. and here's our intro. This podcast has been brought to you by the center of mathematics science and technology at illinois state university greetings listeners and welcome to a very special edition of steam talk on today's episode. We'll be talking about cleveland discussing what it's like to have an affinity for looking hard things finding the faults in everything in trying not to take everything for granted. I am of course talking about all things geology and who better to ask about geological sciences thoroughly. Who rocks your socks every month. Your regular host of this amazing podcast miss christina late them so let's dig in and find out what makes her so sentimental on this special episode of steve. Well let's see let's get started because we have to start off with the very first thing of the night. We absolutely have to start off with christine. Happy birthday thank you. You're absolutely so so. Welcome so stem dog listeners. What we've decided to do today is Christine interviews so many people and you guys don't really know a whole lot about her just yet so this episode of talk is devoted to getting to know your host and understanding the person that you hear on a monthly basis. So let's get it started. Do you know any good geology jokes. Yes sir a lot of them are probably not steam. Talk worthy okay. Well just in in same facet that you always have something prepared. You're recording engineer. Which that's myself has a few ready for you. Oh look at you know man. It's almost like i copied your format. Crazies me oh man. It's almost like i listen to you every time. You do a podcast. What did one tectonic plate say to the other when they bumped into each other. Not my fault. Oh she's gotta or smart fall. Yes okay so Would you like to hear a really bad geologist. pick up line yes okay. Are you carbon sample. Because i like to date you man. I'm dead right all right. I when i started studying geology. I looked all those jokes up. All right how did the geologist get down. The mountain erode. Oh hey the sad trumpet here. What do you do with dead geologists. You bury your honest. I can't believe this the element. Okay so hopefully you don't know this one. How do geologists like to relax in a rocking chair. there was onto the interview questions. I guess at this point so first question of the interview. Why do you like rocks. so looking. Rocks is essential to being jealous because there are some minerals that look like each other right so we have to depend on certain geological tools to help us identify what that mineral is right So salt or known as haley in the geology. World is one of those that you can lick and you could tell right away. Hey that's salt 'cause salty. Hey light can also look like other minerals. If you're looking at it so things like cal site through crystalline shape essentially. Yeah that's very similar. They look the same at With the i. If you didn't know if you don't know what to look for. So things like haley gypsum in high dry. And he'll i kinda look somewhere so we let them which went salts or the one that tastes telltale. So we don't always like every single mineral. That really excited beginner jealous. Like oh man. We gotta lick rocks. They might slobber over all them right but you don't really need to look all of them. Just identify we use other tools right so an example cleavage. Oh yeah there's the word that we We pull up in the. It's basically how a mineral breaks on different planes. So it's a mineral like calcium. I could have. Calcium has three directions of perfect cleavage. Perfect cleavage perfect. Wow that's impressive. yes because it breaks perfectly in those directions and that mineral will always break in that direction in the same pattern every time yes and it has to do with its crystal lattice and how the atoms are arranged so a really good example that i tell my own students is if you think of highlight your salt if you look at it you get table salt even and you look under a microscope. Imperfect cubes or little cubes rate. So if i had a huge block of salt. And i throw it on the ground really hard. It's going to break into four perfect squares. Like legitimately four will not for just curious it breaks into perfect squares but so the it'll be symmetric no and then if i was a take those broken pieces and smashed with a hammer and look under a microscope. They're still going to be more and smaller and smaller seem fracture pattern. Yes no not really flashers but for your claim ignorance. I'm i'm just recording engineer. Okay what got you into geologic study. That is a really long story. It's not really. i'm sure. I'm sure there's an abridged version. Okay a forcing you into this question right now so so i. I was on a journey. I took a journey an educational journey so education and just academics have been like ally lifelong career for me essentially so he started off in clinical psychology and my daughter was diagnosed with epilepsy. And i was going to school in chicago at the time. And when she was diagnos her the hospital she was going to was imperia and i couldn't drive to chicago into pure all the time so i had to find a way to make it work so i actually apply to illinois state university where i'm at now and i went to the psych department and i had too many credit hours to get into the program. Because you have to have the there's a maximum you can have in order to get into that program because they want you to have their curriculum done and that is because so for example. If i went to a different college and i did all their coursework is psychology. And i went to isu and only took one psychology class. Okay and then. I get my degree that degrees going to say issue on it even though i didn't earn it from them. Does that make sense. Because it's where you completed right. I took that one class so they they have maximum credit hours credit hours. Because you have to have a bulk of your studies so many credit hours with them. So that's where my problem was went. I couldn't get in the program on paper basically. I'm their papers. Yeah so then. I decided that i needed to find something. So looking through their programs and i came across earth and space science education. I was like hey i like space you kind of have to. Everybody does right. So i went and talked to the department chair there and sat down at interested in earth space science because i like space and stars and he was like okay cool so you pulled up my transcripts and he was like all. Your coursework is in social science. Like what's going on like why. Why do you wanna change. Not that it's bad but just night explain the situation and he's like well. Let's see what we can find. Sa- get you where you wanna go so long story short. I ended up in the neuro science program. I see you and that was essentially like a combination of science Like biology and psychology. You have to have some site classes for that too so he started on that track and not to get too overly personal with because there were some hiccups there I ended up taking a science class fulfil my science electives but it had to be a science course. That wasn't in my major. So since i was very talking to the earth space science department which is essentially the geology department. By the way they offer that degree The department chair said just because you have to declare a major in order to start when you're a transfer student so he stuck me in that in that department that curriculum. So i m taking geology class and i fell in love with a professor there and her name was dr tasha done and she was amazing and i was just so blown away by the things that she was talking about that. I would be the first person in class asking questions. And i would be the last one to leave. So that really sparked my interest like i like it was like love at first sight or well i should say love it for science research are meteorite and i was just like oh my gosh i wanna learn more about you. I wanna learn more about your science. I wanna visit your lab and she was very inviting very having a teacher that really like relates to you and connects to you will will absolutely make or break students. Yes connection to the to the science or to the to the curriculum that they're in have a terrible teacher. You're not gonna enjoy. This is boring teachers in a hole. And you know off with a in a shuffle it off and then they'll be your minor and then you choose a new major later on but partly it's the it's the a train wreck hazy that we're drinking tonight but So then what after that. It's the teacher is what made you really fall in love with it. So what is it about geology specifically then captivated you okay so i fell in love right that class. I got a in it. I was so all about it and it was hard. It was hard work. It was not an easy blow off class. You really had to work for the a and it was introductory. It was a very beginning and it was still challenging but it was so mind blowing that at that point i was like i need to take another class. I mean why at the root of it what is it that was mind long about it was it was just the basic science of doing or was it like how rocks were formed under what was what was the like the captivating moment where you were like this is it this is. This is what i wanted to do. So this course didn't have a lab component so it wasn't really messing around with a lot of rocks at that time it wasn't rock intensive it was more about evolution of earth. So it takes you through. How earth evolved and how life evolved on earth it's literally the processes the becoming of even our own history. Yeah so so. Learning all of that and it was just right so the next semester. I took another geology class. And that was the minerals rocks hassles and maps and and from what i hear you love maps right now and i'm going to tell our listeners. Right now that the overwhelming smell of sarcasm in the room is just overpowering We christine and i have known each other outside of This podcast for approximately two years. And we've just bantered back and forth tonight. He's actually our first in real life encounter and Your map discussions with me. Or just like i am having to make four maps right now for the people i'm working for and this is amazing and if you can't sense the that i'm trying to project through the microphone sounds like a lot of work. It is a lot of work and it. I like the challenging aspect of it. And i was always very when i was taking some of these courses. That are teaching you how to bap teaching you how to do all this stuff. I really struggled with it. And i did a lot of perseverance will. That's the thing about what you fall in love with. It's not about how much dedication you have right now. It's about the dedication you have when you're tired of it and you're sick of it and we were just or when it's hard. Yeah that's i do the same thing with sound design for film. It's doing footsteps. Yeah it's like. This is the most boring thing i could ever do what you have to do it. Because that's part of your and it wasn't. It was boring because it was hard. Because there's so many different ways that it could be laid out but you have to make sure it makes geologic sense right. You have to honor your data and that's the scientist you have to honor your data. Then there's no you can't you can't fudge because then everybody else's numbers are fledged after that so the moment the moment you deviate from truth everybody else's work as well so you have a responsibility as well. Yeah so in. Those classes are going back to when i was doing. My undergrad It was very hard. But i was so excited about it. The i i didn't give up. There was times where we would have an assignment to make a map of something. And i would go in and check with the professor like am i doing something wrong. And they would say well. This isn't right. You gotta do this this this and they would make it make sense to me and then i would go home and i would redo the map about three or four times and i would make sure that i did it right and i think in that aspect. I can't speak for other students that were going through it. But that's what it was like for me. There was times where a lab the required a map. I spent a lot of time on doing it. Messing it up doing it again. Messing it up doing it again. And there's some of them. I four five times just for one assignment and have cramp from coloring and drawing and and you know outlining these maps. We do the balanced by hand. It was on computer so we had to construct the whole thing by hand. And i didn't give up. I kept trying and trying and trying. And i think that you know i put a lot of work into it so when you put work and effort into something that you want so bad you become attached to it. Yeah like mentally physically emotionally. I mean it's it's all you think about. It consumes after a while. Yes it's awesome. It's it's it's rare because a lot of people don't dedicate themselves. They think it's going to be an easy course or it's an easy master or it is what it is and i'll get it get out but they don't realize the dedication prior to lake. You can't quit when it's difficult and you can't love it when it's easy you have to love it when it's hard shitty. Yeah and that's a really good point. And so when. I started off at the very beginning of my geology degree. I was presented with a lot of hardships and i had a love hate relationship like there was times where i would cry over an assignment or there were times where I didn't wanna do it. And it was just really hard and i would tell myself like. Why did i take this class. What did i do to myself. Why am i putting myself through this. And but then at the end of that course then that semester. I sit back and i think about it as a whole and i'm like that is bad ass. I'm like i want to take another class so there was definitely a love. Hate relationship as i was going through it. You know what i mean and it was hard at the same time because i'm going through all that feeling all those emotions struggling like every other person but i wasn't a traditional student in the sense that i had two children at home right now. That was actually going to be. The next point that i was going to bring up was not only are you trying to balance scholastic life. You're trying to balance a motherly role. A meme on matriarch role in your own personal life plus maybe try to balance relationships and other things. Pardon me you have going on all at once so the dedication that you have shown beyond you know just scholastically is been a triumph for women like as a whole i mean you you are kind of and i know you don't see yourself as this because we never ourselves for what we truly are but like if people see you when they understand you which is the point of this. Podcast is You're a mother of two. you're a geologist. You're balancing a worklife ship. Life a motherly life a You know just trying to balance their own personal emotions and everything all at the same time. you're kind of a beacon when it comes to women today. You know you're doing way more than you think you are. And you deserve a little more credit than you're giving yourself right now you're shaking your head so just so everybody who's listening is like understanding what you're know. I haven't really done anything that great. I just went to school. And i just raise my kids and i know you're you're you're beacon to women right now and you should own that like absolutely i have my struggles downfalls in that program and you know i had people that were in my corner you know that at this at my school that understood that got it and was there and helped me get to the finish line. Even if i didn't earn it. You earned it. You did it you did. You can't discredit yourself. And so just remember that. This is kind of the whole reason of this. Podcast is to get everybody to understand you and maybe to help you understand yourself. Maybe maybe so. Definitely i. I was so excited about so many things. And when i get excited like kind of neurotic about it you know i get so focused on that thing that everything else becomes like a blur and i get super excited right. That's good and then i would get so overly excited about it that i would put more on my plate than i can handle. That's that's a natural thing and there's been some you know times where i've tripped point but i mean it's it's a difficult road no matter what you choose. I mean everybody chooses their own road. Everybody picks the path and when they fall. It's oh why did this happen to me. It's humbling things. It's itself doubt it's insecurity it's a hundred million things but the ones that persevered are the ones that shine through you know yes. It's the way you compliment me on my sound design and music and my intros in my voice in how i do. Radio stuff is your natural way. I compliment you for everything that you've done so but no don't don't discredit yourself. You got this and you're you are like a woman like worst woman roar possibly done so all right so we'll get off syria subjects water some interesting things that you as a geologist like a lay person to know like things that are like super awesome. You're like wow. This is amazing. And like you would only know it if you were geologist. But if you're like allay presenting look at iraq Cool let's rock. I think the most simplest thing that a lay person to understand you know if it was somebody that was not didn't know anything geologically aware right would be that there is a difference between rocks and minerals. I think people do have a pretty good understanding of that. You would be surprised. Probably would because you know. I i associate myself science. A lot on Probably on really heavy scale So yeah you're probably right What i assume to be come. Knowledge is probably not and you know. I don't look down on people for that or anything. It's an ignorance in the sense of the word not like people being rude. It's just people being ignorant to geologists. Great ching moment. You know and a lot of people. I know when i started the geology program. I didn't know that either you know and i. I think that was what made it so interesting. You know so the certain minerals like to hang out with other minerals certain conditions. They grow certain temperature. Certain pressures and it's fascinating and there's there's five criteria a mineral has to meet in order to be a mineral for example so it has to be a solid right so it has to be hard at all times unless it's heated right And so it has to be a solid has has to be inorganic so nothing like coal or or shit. I've been trying to work that one and then the whole time or nice. Yeah yeah but okay so It has to be a solid it has to be inorganic that's too yep has to have a definite chemical composition so it has to have a chemical formula okay and it's inorganic right so you're nothing like They has organic chemistry involved so like the study of humans. That's more organic chemistry. Said he plans organic so people like fluid. That's where you start working biology a little bit. Yeah yeah you start getting into proteins you start getting into lipids. Yeah so has have definite chemical composition has has to have has to have the presence of a crystal lattice so you have to have a crystal lettuce so you're thinking of like its atomic arrangement. We talk about cleavage a little bit right and has been such a sixteen year. Old boy. That little smirk. I just keep it. Mature keeping mature. Yeah i think everybody goes through that I think the first geology class when when we first learned about cleavage everybody kind of just sat there and just laugh. Yeah yeah somebody farts funny but you just have to kind of like all right. I'm in a meeting. i can't just leave. Just come down being adult right so so sorry. I have to interject that. Because i'm sure everybody who's listening right now. Every time you say. Cleveland it's like yeah okay so onward with mineral compositions. So a number. We think we're at four. Now maybe solid. You lost me. A cleavage solid inorganic naturally occurring crystalline definite chrysoula crystals Laddis crystal then definite chemical composition to. Let's five satisfy. Those are the five hundred so those minerals are essentially made up of elements that are on the periodic table. Which together make up. Its chemical formula right when you combine them and interestingly those minerals are typically formed or always formed i should say by magma so think of magma as like this big pot of soup the has just elements in it google so and then they crystallize ow depending on the cooling rate of the magma temperature we that the bowen's reaction series. Oh everybody knows that one. Yeah everybody no clue. so it's it's somewhat reminiscent of a collapsing star where Heavier elements are created later on in the explosion so the faster cool rate or the slower. The cooler rate depends on the. That's what makes up the the composition of the stone afterwards. Okay i mean. I'm just. I'm citing kaplan de to podcasts ago. where you know when when star explodes the earliest elements the lightest and the The latest almonds to develop which are the cooler elements heaviest uranium and stuff like that so And to cincinnati gonna pull that one out of the right answer but Been to density. That's probably really ruined the entire job. Any i mean he just looked at me like You know what thankfully you got a really good editor. Who made that joke. Kind of flow. Rhodesia yeah i can tell you listen to your own podcast so actually i don't i can tell the only time you do. Listen is when. I make a mistake. Editing actually. I believe that was our other associated who who caught that. So on that note bringing up podcasts What brought you to this. Line of work in podcasting four seamaster. And i asked you so. It's kind of a crazy story. How that kinda landed on my lap which it didn't really land on my lap. I actually well and look for it. But so i was in a masters program i still am actually. And it's a two year program so i'd say things are rough. I meant things are pretty rough. Some actually only thirty or a two year program. And you know i'm a mother. I have other obligations. I have a life a life. That i can't just sit and have that. Just be my thing. Allocate one hundred percent of your time only to that right so it takes. It's taking me a hot minute to to get through it and just man. I just had a really rough time with it. Not that it was hard. Just things didn't seem to work out in my favor through a lot of situations within that program and along the way. I've made people angry and they were in my corner and an are no longer my corner challenge people even if they're your peers you have. I mean that's only that's that's the natural way of science is to question things i mean. People were put to death for saying that earth was round so Doing what you do only bolsters you as a scientist because you're questioning. That's that's our job as scientists is to question things and to challenge things so We do lose friends. I mean academically and socially. That's i mean some of us even find different religion. You know paths and stuff like that through our work. And yeah we we do. We absolutely do. And it's it's heartbreaking. Sometimes because it is. I mean these are your peers. Yes there are people that are close to counselors there mentors like family and when you challenge them was i was never challenged them. But i've met some stuff up and it has been a very big learning lesson for me going through some of that and you know if i could go back in time and change things i would definitely do things a little bit differently but it is what it is you know. I can't change it. I have to live with those mistakes failures. You have to own it. I have to own it. And i have to own it and there has been many times within that program that i because things are so messed up. The i wanted to quit. I didn't want to go back. And i miss. I stopped going to class for like a week straight. And i had a professor who reach out to me and said Are you coming back. And i said. I don't want to and he's come in talked me. We'll we'll talk. And he actually was a really big confidante for me. I was able to really unload on him. And do you have a name for this person or no. No accolades okay. Alex private And you know he was just the voice of reason he was the light at the end of the tunnel kinda and he talked me back to it. He's like you know. just don't give up. You're you're almost there you know This is the push yes and he said it doesn't matter what they think or what. Anybody thinks you're here for you and you know you're you need to finish for you because everybody else has already finished so you need to do it for you. So that you know. I picked my head up and i walked back through the doors and there were times where i'd walk by i. I would hold my head down and make contact with anybody. And i kept doing that for a while and i just i'm here for me. I don't need to socio with anybody. i'm i have to. You know own my mistakes. And i have to see this through and that's what i did. I just kept going. And you know again if i you know i can go back and change things i would but i can't you know and that's where you know you would think you would think Forgiveness comes into play not for me but like from your peers from my peers or co workers. And you know if they don't want they're going to hold a grudge and hold it against me that's fine. They're entitled to that they they but that's none of my business. What they think right right just the same goes for you. It's none of their business. What what. I think. And i don't have any hard feelings towards any of them. I feel like. I look up to a lot of them. And you'll notice that they're still professionals and good. Yeah yeah the good what they do and the you know. I don't discredit anything they've done. I think they're amazing. That's who i wanted to learn from. You know gets good at what they do without making enemies you have to know that you absolutely have to really screw up but i kind of feel like that's also how you find you. Yes absolutely and feeling is more of a teacher than succeeding millions by millions of vice rides. Yes humbled view. It puts you in your place Can i can. I pull a really. I'm going to drop a name here. Real quick check. thomas edison invented the lightbulb. He and i know this is so cliche. And so like generic scientific and everything but He was being interviewed by the newspaper. Once he actually finally invented the incandescent light bulb and he had failed numerous numerous numerous numerous times. And i believe the generic count was nine hundred ninety nine times and when the reporter asked him. Oh my gosh. I just bumped micron. Sorry when the reporter asked him. Oh my gosh. You invented the lightbulb. He said no. I learned nine hundred ninety nine ways not to make a light bulb before made a light bulb so failure is every time. Success is only once you know. And i i truly like that's really that's really. It's it was amazing. When i learned that which is funny because we talked prior and we had dinner Prior to this podcast and We actually know each other a little bit better and Christine had asked me a few questions. And i i had reference to my own insecurities you know which is funny. Because i'm so profiling but i'm so insecure about it as only one guy. I don't you. Gary banner chowk have you heard him. Yeah he's like this motivational speaker and stuff and It was great advice he gave and he was just like you know what fuck up purpose. Oh yeah absolutely. Do do from the star do something completely wrong. And you'll find something new every time like to do it from the start and then from there it's all it's all up its new ground. You're forging new territory and I can equate this to sound design. When i'm using specific vsd's which For people who don't know what those are those a virtual instruments. And i'm so i get so wrapped up in my okay. Well i'm going to do this. And i'm gonna use this phaser and i'm gonna set these wave tables off a little bit and i'm going to do this and i'm going to do that and i do it. So mathematically and i get so so comfortable in my zone where i keep doing the same thing and keep doing the same thing you got. I mean pardon my language c- mass. But you gotta fuck it up every once in a while. You have to get way outside of your comfort zone. Sometimes because there's no there's a forging new territory. There's no making new styles of music. There's no new sound effects that are going to come out of people doing the same thing. Every time. the happiest of sounds come from accidents. I mean a much like most of us children were born. You know the best accidents are the ones that are still here. So it's like all my failures within my master's degree. I did not find anything For jenny new paths in hard enough. I don't i felt a lot of Shame and guilt and feeling insecurity and feeling like i don't deserve to be here and it took a lot of strength and i think that was tessa my own character and it was to the point where you know probably about a year after all. That stuff happened. Things kind of calmed down. I actually reach out to a professor and ask for a letter of recommendation and she told me no roof and she said i have nothing to give you right now and it hurt it hurt and i was just like you know i looked up to this person. I still do like even to this day. She is just amazingly smart. And just wonderful and i was very very blessed to learn what i have from her And so put it hurt. She was one of those professors that were caught up in. You know some things. I messed up. That was my fault. And again. I i take you know all the onus for that but Ask for a letter combinations. She said that she had nothing. You know nothing to give me so it could be driving force for you. It was if you turn it around okay. If you don't have anything for me. I'm gonna make myself something absolute push. I guess because i say that. But then i'm the same kind of person that's like. I crumbled vice giver. Would i inside. I'm just absolutely i'm sorry. Continuous know and it was just like okay. Well fair enough. I can't force somebody to write something nice about me. I can't make somebody see value and worth in me and that's goes for any profession like that doesn't come from somebody else and i think that's a big thing that i learnt was. I can't look for validation from somebody. Else is a hyper true statement right there because the only validation that you should ever ever seek from yourself well i was going to say from your recording engineer. But it is. It's you validate yourself to yourself. I mean it's so funny because now that we're bringing up this topic. It's we're all very strong as individuals as humans and. I don't give a crap about what anybody thinks about me. But as as we hear something negative about ourselves we doubting question again we crumble inside. And then you know i mean and even if it's somebody that's completely like and i'm not i'm not calling people insignificant but if it's somebody who's insignificant portion of your life doesn't take state of yours you know you well. Maybe i am not good at that. And why am i. And then that self-doubt starts to yes when that person is somebody that you value you hold to a high that's the thing and the paternal and maternal collapse it at the same time. Yeah it was rough. It was brutal. And i looked at that email and i was just like you know what and i i wrote her back and i said you know fair enough but You know i'm still gonna keep trying. Gonna i'm gonna pull a vidal on you I'm going to reference the airpods. I'm sorry vidal hands down hands down an amazing an amazing scientists. Yes yes he was absolutely so easy to talk to you. So smart so intelligent His thing was when you go to somebody and they tell you that you're not good enough and when you say that when when they say that you don't have what it takes it's your duty to go and chase that anyway and find out why. What was your shortcoming. What was what is it. That makes me not good enough for you. And after that i this is my addendum to his statement is. Don't make yourself good enough for them. Make yourself too good for them. Make it to where you can turn it around. And when they want you to work for them or they want you'd be a colleague or they want you to be A scientific asset to them. You can look at them and say. I'm sorry you're not what i'm looking for. You know lake. Don't don't become what they want. Become ten times what they need you know. That's that's the thing too though at the same time it's like i don't want you know if they don't value my worth it's the i mean the buck stops there. Don't i'm not going to go out of my way to prove myself. I have nothing to prove to anybody. But but me you know and i don't need to. You know. seek out their approval. The validation validation this is where all winding right back to yes. And i think that while i still do think that there are amazing in their field and i do think that i have matt respect for them still even this day. I know i'm the one that must up. I own it. I apologize for those things. And it's up to them if they want accepted or not but they're the ones that have to carry that decision around on their shoulders. Like i'm you know. I forgave myself and i You know lifted my head up. And i walked back through doors and i'm i'm here even if i want to quit. It's that's where cycling right back to the very beginning of our conversation as where the dedication comes in and it's not enough to have definitely a test of strength of character. How bad do you want this. No for for sure for sure. And like i said it's not enough dedication to have dedication now. You have to dedicate yourself when it gets really wanna shitty. Oh my god but and you and you have and look at where you're at now. I mean this is. Why prior in this podcast. I was saying you're a beacon to women. You've you've been a fighter you've gone through. You've gone before i go. But you've okay it's been self inflicted but those are the those are the worst day. Those are the worst is when you you take everybody with you. Know on your on your downfall. Here's the thing is you came back up climbing that mountain. What are you still climbing. though. I'm still climbing. Sing it there you got it. So like looking your your. I'm telling you. I'm not just like bolstering you because i'm like. Oh she's a geologist. In my studio like this i mean this is. This is my ideal dream right here. This is this is. This has been like a a pinnacle moment. I'm gonna get a geologist and my studios. No no you are you truly are. You've you've overcome A multitude of things all at once and where ninety nine percent of people. And i'm not discrediting women as it as as a gender. I'm not trying to put anybody down and i. I would probably definitely say that one hundred percent amendment to collapse to this point but You were doing motherhood. You're balancing relationship. You were Scholastically challenged you were making errors scholastically and still trying to you can say a hit rock bottom. I think that's probably the saddest geologic joker the night. Actually but yes i did. I really hit by everything. Just came crumbly. Because i had so much stuff going on. It was hard for me to stay focused on one thing. Because i had things going on over here over here but because i was so excited to be there so excited about all these amazing things that were happening around i wanted more. I wanted more projects. I wanted more things and even though i would. It would take me a long time to finish excited. Bunch of other crap going on it didn't slow down my enthusiasm correct but it did create problems. Because let's say you know. I had i want to do the research project and yes. I'm going to get this done. Here's this deadline will have other stuff. Going on. Doctor's appointments dentist appointments Neurology points that year. My son was also diagnosed with epilepsy. And then had spinal surgery on top of it. So i that whole summer. Gone and i try not to use my kids ever as an excuse on why i didn't meet a deadline. Yeah i'd never went in there and said well. I didn't get this paper done because my kid had spinal surgery. They knew he has spinal surgery. 'cause i told them out of you know Conversation i always made sure that. I never use there was never a crush. Yes it was never an excuse to not get my work done. So when i didn't meet those deadlines like well. I need more time and they would say you know your time's out. It's like okay. Well then i take that that you know repercussion. Because that's just how it has to be. I didn't meet the deadline. I feel that this thing. That's fine but my kids come first no matter what even if it was actually. I'm sorry to interject here. I totally like did you on that and last night. That's i'm sorry but I love this because right now. You know where we're speaking to you. We're speaking to students speaking to irish teachers right now. This is a podcast. Hopefully makes it to light and this isn't just for you and me. This is for the students that are going through the same thing. This is for the teachers who are going through the same thing. I hope some of the professors here. This and i hope they do too and i hope future professors who are going through the same things this shit. I'm feeling my students. No it's fine. It's human were life creatures. Were were going through. Were all going through and you know the story we see. We see our profs as these people who have their act completely together there. These people who live in boxes in short at school and they have a curriculum. No they're wrecks just like we are complete. Shit chose yeah. They're failing at their own. Lives and being bolsters incompetent in front of hundreds of students at a day and now it's they're just like us and so yes. They're human so exactly so. I hope at some level they understand this podcast and the whole reasoning for it as well. As you know. We're all human will be we students be we professors we Deans you know. It's like we're all just human. We're all trying to like struggle and look for our own validation while. We're honestly and completely honestly seeking validation from others even though we won't admit it sometimes you know like everybody wants to get that to that. Was amazing like yeah. There's there's nothing greater than when people anime or i do. Sounds animation to nation was awesome. Did you see that. Yeah well i created a blender i took a blender sound and then i took my my razor shaver that i try beard with every day and and then i mixed it with a little. Bit of a beer can crunch like. Oh that's cool and they're like oh my i do. What was that sound. That was crazy. It sounds like we're complete robot. And then i show them how we break it down you know and when you get that from them when you get that do. That was amazing. That is the validation we seek and as much as we say we don't want especially in academic drug when somebody says your shits bad ass you know you're like yeah. I know you have that a little bit but at the same time. Back to point Students everybody's life is iraq. Your professors lives are rex. They have they have kids with epilepsy. They have kids with seizures. They have kids with a multiple slew of different things autism more relationship issues and they have drug addictions and they have alcohol addiction. As you just a little bit more scholastically. That's all it is and they didn't give up and they didn't give up you know and it's it's good to humanize the people you idolize. Yes because that pulls you up to them. That doesn't pull them down to you. That makes you realize that you are just as strong justice competent and just as able as they are doing what they do. You can do that exact same thing if you just dedicate yourself the hallway out so and that's what you've done and that's where you're at right now and i know you're going to. I heard you go. You're already discrediting yourself. Validating you i will sponsor and i don't care i'm trying i'm trying to learn that though it's the same way as me you're like oh my god let's take you cook tonight was awesome and and you know the first thing i said. I don't take compliments hard. It is really is. Because i'm i'm so i'm so used to non compliments that's on some level but okay so We're reaching. I'm just gonna bump my microphone here. Real quick my talking. Oh i'm sorry. Go ahead please. Yeah so you know it comes to let me just railroad you to see again. There's a couple of questions you asked me. And i started on this long rant and never actually answer the question group so i kinda wanna bring that full circle. Oh bit So yeah i was at a low point in my degree. I still showed up every day even in tears even no matter. What even through all the failures. Even if i'm still in the current status of failing i still shown up you know and the reason i reminded myself that this goes out to all the moms that are out there that you do you do things at your pace when you can when you're able don't nobody push you around until you that you know this is possible and i'm here because of my kids. I started this program. So i could have a you know a better life for my children to create a life for them and be able to provide for them and stuff. So that's why went to school was for them so if they have doctors appointments or if i have a week full of stuff or issues going on they come first and that's okay even if the cost is not meeting a deadline because at the end of the day that simon still going to be there. That homework is still going to be there. That class is always going to be re taught but a seizure could be life threatening a back. Surgery can be life threatening and the when you have children. You can't miss those moments. You have to take care of them. You have to make sure. They're safe their healthy. All those things at all costs no matter what. And that's just a part of being a parent. And i think that that's a lesson to is learning. What is important to you and not sacrificing that for anything so yes. I hold my career or my academic career in high regard but my children sit higher. I think that's highly noble like there's no. There's no question that that should ever. That should never even come into question. That's you've created life. It's that's your responsibility. i don't use it as an excuse. No there well. There's a fine line between using excuse when your kids aren't sick and you don't want to go to work. Kids not feeling good. That's that's an excuse. But when you're when you're being an honorable mother and when you're being a devoted mom and making sure that your your kids never need for anything ever you know. That's that's noble. You know there's there's hard. Oh my gosh yeah. I can only say what you're dealing with people that don't have kids or dealing with people that and i don't mean to sound sexist or anything but you're dealing with men they don't understand like messing they don't understand what i'm trying to say is that or the i'm not saying that they don't have responsibility either. But when your mom i know where you're taking this 'cause like guys just make the kid women create the kid they like. They're they're more of the nurturers. Mike the come to life givers like you know. We're done in nine seconds. You guys are done nine months like okay. Well okay well most guys like ten seconds but on a good day so But no i really truly do give women all of the credit for life because i mean as men. We do have an affinity for our children. We we we care about our legacy more so about it so weird kyle. We needed to because we're going to have a boy we're going to threw balls and we're gonna play catch and go fishing and whatever on my last name right. Exactly the lineage. The legacy carries on the line continues and with women. You start everything in its. You're the you're the dare to the finish line while you're there at the beginning. Yes yes but. I mean like soon as that baby's born the mothers fully invested. Oh yeah i'm hundred conceived. Yeah at any given point the dow can just walk away anytime you want. And that's i mean that that is truly unfair. It is that is what it is. Yeah but i mean. That's what i have in my situation and you know i don't regret it. It's more time for me But that doesn't mean it's not hard understood. You know trying to be a fantastic mother but also trying to be super successful in a career field and try to have time for everything and all the stuff in between all that you know what you think of in singing your praises this whole podcast shoulder strap. You're like anna's as i've been the table again but you're you you don't give yourself enough at work my butt off. You're easing person. Which is why do you think why do you think on your birthday of all days. I chose to do a podcast about you. Because it's my birthday. Yeah bertha yeah. No or maybe. You're just an amazing woman who like i said. Prior is a beacon and people should maybe take a page out of your book. And i know you don't see it as i see it but you're also not looking from the outside share so christine. You're an amazing person. You're a great mother. you're an amazing podcast host urine. okay geologist. yeah i'm definitely. I don't think i was the best student definitely by by far not Probably definitely not by far the best geologists. And that's okay because i still show up. I'm so willing to learn. And i didn't give up here. That is the message. Yeah so now. We've come to the portion of the show where you do a very specific thing at the at the end of every show. what's that so i'm copying your format. Oh i've been copying your format the whole. I don't know if you've noticed that. I've i've been i've been talking. Yes if you will if you could say something and pass it onto your students. What would it be. My advice would be show up even if you don't want to even if you're crying even if you're feeling down even if you feel like giving up you're still show up everyday discuss show up you're going to do is just walk through the door. You're halfway there actually doing the work but showing up is certain. Feel sitting at home and feeling sorry about how all these things went wrong and you know just feeling guilty and bad and whoa is me. Just show up. Christine has been an absolute pleasure interview. Tonight i hope that Everybody gets a good takeaway from this and i hope you to show up bitches race that nope nope. We're keeping that. This seem talk listeners. Remember just show up have dedication. Your dedication is an important now. Your dedication is important later. Thanks for tuning in. And we'll catch you next time on done a.

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Prof. Scott Gaudi, Professor of Astronomy at Ohio State University

Scientific Sense

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Prof. Scott Gaudi, Professor of Astronomy at Ohio State University

"Welcome to the site of accents. Podcast where we explore emerging ideas from signs policy economics and technology. My name is gill. Eappen we talk with woods leading academics and experts about the recent research or generally of topical interest scientific senses at unstructured conversation with no agenda or preparation be color a wide variety of domains. Red new discoveries are made and new technologies are developed on a daily basis. The most interested in how new ideas affect society and help educate the world how to pursue rewarding and enjoyable life rooted in signs logic at inflammation v seek knowledge without boundaries or constraints and provide unaided content of conversations bit researchers and leaders who low what they do a companion blog to this podcast can be found at scientific sense dot com and displayed guest is available on over a dozen platforms and directly at scientific sense dot net. If you have suggestions for topics guests at other ideas please send up to info at scientific sense dot com and i can be reached at gil at eappen dot info my guess. Today's purposes scott. God who offense of astronomy at ohio state. His switzerland focuses on developing the prime base of searching for planets around other stars and he has been involved with the discovery of nearly two dozen extra solar planets to date that scott. Thank you for having me go. Show thanks for doing so. I want to start with strategy pulled That was That was a netflix by nsf. And at your south variety of colleagues issue say the past decade has delivered rubalcaba discoveries in the study affects fix planets had the disadvantages Standing the million of processes that dictate the formation at evolutional planets has matured appreciation of the factors that make planet hospitable to live as golden sophistication ask has understanding of the biosignatures the remotely detectable aspects of a planet most field surface that revealed the presence of life so exit planet context on for awhile and I guess Because now different technique direct observation to translates due to a technique. I think you are. You are more interested. Just michael lind saying so. Sa- could you give a synopsis of the history effects of planet. Counting add sort of the status skull. How many heavy fog so far so. yeah sure. I'm happy to do that. I won't go all the way back to the prehistory because there were some claimed discoveries of exit planets that turned out to be false back in sort of the last century but really planet hollywood began in earnest with In the late eighties with a radio velocity or doppler surveys for exoplanets and Mostly it came about because of advances in technology and in particular of the cdc camera which allowed us to digitally record The specter of stars And as you know the doppler shift method uses the fact that as the planet orbits the star it actually doesn't orbit the star orbits. The center of mass of the the star comes is comes towards you away from you. So the light. From the stars doppler shifted either to the red or to the blue and by measuring that that miniscule little shift you can actually infer the presence of planets so Do that against the stocks. The planet have to be pretty big right so definitely. The doppler method is most sensitive to planets that are massive and arm short periods because those induced the large doppler shifts. Yes so really. The started in The story com starts with a campbell and walker to canadian astronomers at the university of british columbia they perfected a. They started a technique. Where i'm the so. The issue is not just measuring these lines but actually referencing them to the correct wavelengths and enter your spectograph is generally not stable so that a wavelength solution changes Which you are thinking might be due to a planet when it's just the the changes in the properties of the instrument air pressure temperature. And things like that. So they had very clever idea of filtering. The light through A gas and then the gas would imprint lines on the spectrum which we know are at rest and so then you can measure the relative losses of those spectra so they chose an interesting gas which is hydrogen fluoride which is colorless odorless and tasteless. Up is exceptionally poisonous. And basically kills on. The laura is and i don't know if this is just a this is just a apocryphal is. That one of them would be in the in the in the in the main room. I the telescope and the other one would be outside with two gas masks looking through and if something bad happened. They run in gas masks on. I don't know if that's not sterile. So kemba walker surveyed about fifty stars. I believe and they did find. Actually some evidence for doppler variations that could be attributed to planets but they were very tentative about their result and in fact it turns out one of their One of their signals did actually turn out to be due to a planet But because they were tentative in in their in their interpretation. They aren't really credited as finding the first planets own so that that's kind of where things started and then A few other things happen. Dave letham found with audio philosophy method. Something that could have been a brown dwarf so a failed star but may be supermassive planet also somewhat tentative Now we sort of think that that might be a a real planet And then Wilson and frail using the pulsar timing technique. Which is very similar to the doppler. Technique you're looking for now pulsars coming towards you in wave away from you but since pulsars are excellent stable clocks as the pulsar comes toward you. The pulses are are compressed and as it goes away from you. The pulses are expanded so by mentoring. The timing changes of the pulsar. You can infer the presence of body bodies orbiting the pulsar and they found two planets orbiting a pulsar pulsar. Of course being a dead start the remnants of a of a dead star massive star and And then later found a third planet around that system and so that they found the first planetary system not around a star but around a what we call a stellar remnant Which was what very exciting. If that good that was nine hundred ninety. Three co him. Walker was eighty nine Dave nathan was a ninety one. Wilson furrow was ninety three and then and then in this is the the really the result that a lot of people know about and they take it really kicked off. The field of exoplanets was the discovery of a roughly half jupiter mass planet orbiting in a period of roughly four days around the star. Fifty one peg by michelle may or and dd does and of course. They won the nobel prize last year. sharing it with Equally with a gym people's his work in cosmology So that discovery. Fifty one peg really launched the field of exoplanets And also has kind of through through everything on its head because we had long had a model for how our solar system formed and that model predicted the giant planets should only live in the outskirts of the planetary systems where there's more material to form the core of the planets which can then eventually the hydrogen helium from the protoplanetary disk but this the giant planet that somehow had migrated To two very close orbit to its parents star and as i say like a like retirees migrating the florida so this this really upended people away thinking. It was so surprising that a lot of people thought this wasn't a planet it was due to some sort of seller pulse we now know definitively that these planets now called hot jupiters exists around one percent of all solar like stars so that and then immediately afterwards Geoff marcy and paul butler who were performing a similar. Kind of survey radio velocity survey doppler survey for for planets. They went and looked they. I acquired a data on one peg and were able to confirm that That's doppler signal and the planet And then they also looked at data that they had accrued for the past few years and discovers that the her replant signals. In some of those data that they hadn't actually analyze yet So then it became this competition between the swiss group. Da kilos and mayor Michelle mayor and then. Paul butler and a Geoff marcy and so there was this back and forth and they you know this competition and and that sort of by the end of the nineties i think there were roughly may be a forty or fifty planets known by the doppler method. So that's that's that's kind of the first sort of part of the story The next part of the story is very important. Part of and that was when It was discovered that one of these hot jupiters orbiting the star hd two nine four five eight actually passed in front of its parent star wants period so its orbital plane was aligned with our line incite and so transited in front of that star and that form that would that enabled you to measure the radius the doppler shift alleged measured the mass of the planet and therefore you can measure the density and that conclusively showed that these hot jupiters were actually gas giants made up of mostly hydrogen and helium and so that was nil. Clips rate is exactly like an eclipse separate. And they'll very long distance regime way and then so that was in the next. I think big milestone And and that's what this is right about the time. When i i stopped being able to remember the names of all known i started graduate. School in nineteen ninety five just a few months before fifty one be was announced And i along with a generation of other graduate students grew up with the field of exoplanets. And i and i. My thesis was actually one of the the first sort of dozen. Dc's on exo climates And So i'll talk a little bit about what i was working on this time but He had the next big milestone was in two thousand and two. The first planet discovered by the transit method was announced that that was by kentucky at all And that sort of open the door to transit surveys ground-based transit surveys finding planets First and then. Those being confirmed by the doppler method and And like i said that was about the time. When i stopped being able to remember the names of all the planets so the number of question good on the doper method I guess this is also. So then you have a system of planets going around a star All of them have some sort of buffet. The star rate so come be precisely fieger out What specific effective for the for the planet at the acclaimed to determine so in. That's a great question and in the majority of cases the the Signals don't interfere with each other so they sort of act independently on the radio velocity doppler signal of the star and so they each have distinct periods. They have distinct amplitude 's attila together. Which you can use to estimate the mass of the planet. Now there are some cases where planets are in what we call resonances where for example every two times the one of the planet's goes around its star. There's another planet that goes around. Once those signals can get much more complicated And are somewhat more difficult to find. and we now know quite a few such systems that that are in that kind of configuration but by and large these signals are separable. So just using your regular regular signal techniques detection techniques will allow you to detect multiple planets okay So the plants it mattered. Yes yes so. So the method had a bunch of success than the transit method started having success in and the one of the exciting things about transiting planets as you can do lots of great follow up studies so Sort of early Sort of mid-2000s. When was when people started doing things like Detecting the atmospheres of these transiting giant planets detected thermal emission so we can measure the temperatures Using things like the hubble space telescope and the spitzer space telescope And so that's when we really started the The epoch of of actually being able to characterize in detail the properties of the Of the atmospheres of these planets initially the larger ones. But now we're able to do even smaller ones and so that the most fierce competition through some sort of spectral spectroscopy yes. That's that's right so initially initially it was It wasn't a it was just an in a single of band pass. We call it so it wasn't really spectroscopy but eventually people were able to use spectroscopy and look for signatures of things like water or methane or things like that in the atmospheres of these planets which is which. And there's been some pretty exciting results with that and it's getting ever more sophisticated of things we can do With with these kinds of methods so help any heavy from so far so i think the current count is somewhere around four thousand three hundred which is a lot of the reason why we have so many planets. One of the primary reasons is is of course the kepler's based telescope So sort of continuing the thread. There was the first fifty one peg discovery by mayor kilos which ignited the field. First transiting planet hd two nine four five ab first planet discovered originally. Buy transit's this was in two thousand and two or three. I can't remember Then there was the first discovery of a planet by gravitational micro. Which is why i work on. That was roughly two thousand and six And then two thousand and Seven i guess it was. The kepler space telescope was launched which found many thousands of planets really ushered in the statistical age of exoplanet studies at at kepler is using planted method or something else. That's couple of the transit method so kepler in somewhat saint senses was the was the. It's still there but it's not operating anymore was the simplest spacecraft. You could imagine it was just a mirror of about About a meter and sized slightly smaller in diameter It had a very large camera that had lots of cds on it so you could image a large area of the sky. It had one. I think it had no moving parts Other than the reaction wheels which turned out to be quite critical And so basically. They blew the cover off the telescope. And it just pointed at the same place in the sky for nearly four years and i almost continuously and look for these periodic dips as the planet passed in front of the star. And as in because it's from the space the precision with which it could measure the brightness of the stars was exquisite. It'd that means they could look for very small dips. And that's when we started finding things like things that are smaller than neptune with radius smaller than neptune all the way down to the radius of the earth and even below the record holder is we discovered a planet that has radius roughly that of mercury so soak and kepler these planets. By like i said the thousands keppler multi planet systems many multi planet systems. They found systems of planets orbiting That we're one. Planet orbits a a by an star. These are circum binary planets lots of executive a- exotica that kepler found in really helped us to understand the what i call the demographics of of relatively short period planets with periods less than a roughly one hundred days and and micro. Let's say it's a technique so Club exactly does that work. So it's It uses the fact that That the mass has a bass bends light the gravity gravity bends light as predicted by a stein's theory of general timothy And so what you do. Is you just stare at a very distant star for long enough if you do that eventually. Another star. that's not related to that star. That's in the foreground will pass very close to your line of sight to that background. Star that you're monitoring when that happens it will. The gravity of that foreground star will actually split the light into two images at which will Which which you actually can't really distinguish we haven't actually one case but we generally camp because they're they're separated by such a small angle but the background starts off is actually magnified so as the Foreground star comes into alignment and then goes out of a lineup. We see the background stargate. Brighter and then fainter and this was actually phenomena that was predicted by einstein. I think in nineteen thirty two or was the paper was published. I'm where he famously said. This would never be observed now observed tens of thousands of micro in events and the way we use it to find planets is if this foreground star happens to have a planet that has a separation close to where these images pass by the foreground star. Then that grabby of that planet because it has massive gravity to will actually also been the light a little bit and magnified or mediev- magnify it and with a much shorter duration and that's the signal that we use to find planets with microlending and because these images are passing at roughly Times the distance of the earth from the sun from their parents star micro inc is naturally complementary to the radio velocity transient methods which are sensitive to short period planets microlending on the other hand too sensitive to longer period planets and in fact even sensitive plants not bound to any host star because those planets have gravity and can create their own michael lenzing events so so the full grown star is needed because it's basically bending the light and then you're looking for some sort of differential bending on that all of the bent light right so yeah you see the background star get brighter and fainter but then for a brief period of time anywhere between a few hours and a few days you see a deviation from what you'd expect if that foreground starwood was by itself And you can that signature is. Is you can attribute to the planet and then you can learn something about the mass ratio and the separation of the planet from its host star. Low pay and so the forty hunter that found a variety of techniques Home does the demographics of that look like in sufficing. I guess scientists big pod but also temperature and so on right so that's a great question in. It's actually very very timely one. Because i in my two collaborators jesse christianson has been heavily involved in the kepler Anounced keppler data and michael myers basically works on everything and exoplanets. We just wrote a review on the demographics of exoplanets and actually there was just a conference last week. August demographics of exoplanets So this is a hot topic now because we now have enough planets that we can actually start doing demographics. I think of this as a survey a census With doing a deep dive on any individual planetary system. But you're sort of it's like the two page assay of how many people are in your household you know. What are their ages in this case what we typically looking for is the distribution in the peer in the plane of the mass of the planet versus period or the radius of the planet versus it's period and if you look at the plots like that Do you see some interesting things One is that there's a population of sort of warm or cold jupiter's which with masses between one and ten jupiter masses and separations relative to their parents star that are between a few and five times the separation of earth from the sun using population of hot jupiters. That are in periods of a few days and has sizes that a roughly that jupiter. Actually some of them are quite inflated up to twice the radius of jupiter which is still unsolved problem as to why they're inflated other those great theories and then you see this. Enormous popularity in plants discovered by kepler. That have radii somewhere. Between that of the earth and that of neptune and periods less than one hundred days so these are called super earths are many neptune's And we now know though the most common kind of planet in the galaxy. And what's fascinating is. We have absolutely no analog of to plant these kinds of planets in our solar system both in terms of their size and mass and in terms of where they're located so the the camp jupiter is That it's no big plus there right so five. au i guess only possible. Some of them are really sort of inflated that one's in five eight you tend to not be inflated although we don't have a lot of measurements of radii of those because they're very unlikely transit. It's the ones that are very close in that are being bombarded by the stellar radiation Inflated and somehow that energy is actually being deposited in the planet and causing it to inflate ex-exactly what physical processes is. Doing that is what is up for. Debate the warm jupiter's don't present too much of a problem we don't fit we think that We think that they can swarm in radio Separations that are slightly larger than that and then they might migrate in a little bit. The real question that we have is why did in our solar system was there no large-scale migration of the giant planet. We know there was some And the current popular theories that jupiter sort of moved in A little bit and then move back out and we know. Neptune moved out. Because it trapped a bunch of small bodies like pluto in resonances. That i talked about before The real question is why is it. In some systems we have large scale. Dynamical migration quite chaotic migration. In the sense that you get things with very large centrism. We suspect of the won't know until guy tells us that have large mutual inclinations and saw mend up you know parked very close to their parents star whereas our solar system seem to have a much more quiescent history. And why that is we don't really know And that's part of why we do. These demographic surveys is because we think the physics planet formation in evolution will be imprinted on the final distribution of planets in these parameter spaces. That i mentioned so I guess earlier techniques couldn't really discover the size planet swayed so we cannot have super sized planets The site of neptune but client sensitivity at better techniques now measure of again upper density discover earth like planets to write earth. I would say we have the potential to discover earth mass or earth radius planets. But if if you require the earth like to be actually at the at the sort of either separations or more appropriately. The sort of radiation levels the kind of amount of light a energy they received from their parent stars that region of of sent of planet mass radius and separation is actually at the sort of nature of all detection methods. It's the most difficult kind of planet for us to detect with our current techniques Which is some sort of cosmic. You know causing karaoke. Okay if you think about it right. Yeah that's why i say. God has a sense of humor exactly exactly so so pepper was designed to actually find exactly earth analogs but because i mentioned alluded to this before because it's It's a reaction. Wheels failed to other action meals failed. It only had two left It wasn't actually able to point at this location for more than about a three three and three quarters years whereas was planning on pointing at that location for six years And because of that loss of time it actually didn't quite into the sensitivity to detect analogs. So our estimate of of planets like the earth orbiting stars like the sun is based on extrapolation. And this is a famous number called ada earth So we have an estimate of it but it's based on extrapolation and it's quite important actually know this number because if we want to plan future space missions which maybe we'll get to later that can actually directly image these planets and a gate specter of them and look for signatures of of habitability and maybe even life We have to know how common they are. You take a quick break. Scott that may become back with talk about exactly that capability end and want. The future plans slightly. Might be are. It sounds great ducks. This is a scientific sense. Podcast providing unscripted conversations with leading academics and researchers on a variety of topics. If you'd like to sponsor this podcast please reach out to in full at scientific sense dot com a soviet back. Scott we have been talking about exit planets. Extra solar planets planets around other other stars and the exoplanet hunting so to speak started In the nineties and different techniques cabin used to define them and Over the years lost to use or so we have fun. Four hundred at Of all the right of slices masses periods around their stars and the age old question off the eighty of them is habitable could be habitable. Cast life all those questions still exist and and still very interesting to think about so In one of your papers here the habitable Of the cabinet eggs mission. Is that something that is being designed now it saudi convoy neither. It's it's a. It's a wish i would say manasseh so every Ten years the astronomical community self organizes with the help of the national academy of sciences and does what's called a decade survey so the most prominent members of the field. They get together. They solicit input from the community. They take that input filter it and then chairman. They tried to determine priorities for nasa the national science foundation and the parv energy for astronomy over the next ten years and typically. They often prioritize a large space mission for nasa so For example the james webb space telescope was prioritized by one of the decade will surveys. As was the nancy grace romans. They telescope was prioritized by the two thousand. Ten to cato survey. We'll get back to that later And so now we're going to. We're going through the twenty the astro twenty twenty two cadle survey and it's happening as we speak The input has mostly been gathered The sub panels and mostly written their reports. Now the big Main panels steering committee Assemble all that information and then provide their priorities in preparation for the twenty. Twenty decatur survey nasa issue Basically started four studies for large mission concepts that would be submitted to the digital survey and perhaps considered as maybe one of their top priority is so there's one is the far. Infrared surveyor which is now called origins. The other is the x. Ray surveyor which is now called links. And then there's tunisians. They're very similar sort of the science The science goals very different in scope. So one of them is the large judy. Optical infrared surveyor or voire which has the dual science goals of one to actually be able to detect and characterize earth like planets orbiting sun like the nearest sun like stars. Look take their spec to spectra look for signatures of habitability in life And also do it in a very wide range of extra galactic and galactic astronomy Using a very large aperture telescope So you could think of this. As as a super super hubble so they considered assembling. That's the roughly. This is fifteen meters diameter. so that's much bigger than double and they also considered a more diminutive nine meter diameter. which is still you know a little less than five times out of couple have x. again had similar science goals both to look for the try to detect and characterize or like lads around like stars to look for adebayo life and also to do a wide range of of a other kinds of science galactic extra galactic etc but with on a smaller scale so the the aperture habits is four meters compared to the two point four meters of hockey so actually smaller than j. w. s. t. it's operating at different wavelengths and actually largely compliments hobbles. So you can think of it as the next hubble whereas you could think of blue bars sort of the the big leap after humble So so that. These mission concepts were developed over the course of almost four years we submitted our final reports Sort of the near august of last year we presented them to the decade-old survey the in the fall of last year And now are waiting to see what the decade will survey has to say and see if a prioritizes one of these missions to as the major mission to go forward in the twenty twenty s So their mission concepts that that we. I personally hope one of one of them will be picked and of course since i was the co chair of the habits study along. Sara seager mit. I'm a little. I'm a little biased towards havoc and so So so this idea that we want to look for earth like planets and sunlight starred We have sort of a a defined habitable zone. Right walkers present vini the rocky planets so these characteristics that are based on end. One hopes ovation. Right is dead delight to think about it or could be sort of expand that definition. So that's an excellent question and it's one that The often comes up in these sorts of things So you know. There's there's lots of ways to answer that question. Of course you don't want to restrict yourself to just what you know right Then again If i so i like to paraphrase a a something that my colleague department chair david weinberg says if i ask you to look for a dog You probably have a pretty good idea of how to go about doing that. What to look for. If i asked you to look for a not dog that might be a little bit harder. Bait clo- so you we look for what we know now. There's actually very good reasons to think that That life if it arises might it might arise on something like the earth like you said a rocky planet with a thin atmosphere but That that can actually separation can have liquid water and surface All like as we know it requires liquid water Water is is very abundant because the two most common elements that like to play with other elements and bond with other elements are hydrogen and oxygen Which is obviously the building blocks of water and so. There's this really good reasons to think that this might be the most easy channel for life to arise now We don't know really the habitable zone. We can make educated guesses of of what's range of separations. You can have liquid water but it depends on your atmosphere composition and lots of other stuff so the way we look at it in the habits mission is that we're we're looking for something that we know right because that's the leap. Look for the test. The hypothesis of are there things like the earth where we know life can arise and rather than being honing in on just one area what we really wanna do is empirically. Try to define the habitable zone. So we're gonna look at planets not just in the habitable zone but proximate to the habitable zone and see if we can define by actually using observations what kind of planets might be habitable and might even have signatures of life of should we be thinking about other kinds of of habitable world absolutely and people are and the astrobiologists are very clever I think a lot of them. Worry about false positives like something we say. We think found life where it's actually being Some molecule is being formed a biotic and were fooled but they also think about other kinds of life Silicon based life based solvents Those kinds of things was a variety of reasons. Why those kinds of life's don't that kind of life doesn't seem as probable so for example methane is only liquid at relatively cold temperatures at relatively very narrow range of temperatures where the chemical reactions aren't very quick If you wanted to bill life out of instead of carbon silicon silicon does have similar chemical properties of carbon. Because it's just one row down on the periodic table but in the same column but silicon has other things that are bad like the most common element that silicon would bond with Is likely to be oxygen and it would form silicon dioxide. Which of course is sand And also not very good for making life so there are good reasons to look for carbon based life with a that uses water as a solvent But but of course we should. We should be thinking more broadly than that. I would say that our approach is to look where we know life can arise. And then if we don't find anything then we look other places and of course concurrently with us. We should be looking for life in our own. Solar system as well in europa enceladus mars one of the moons What's jupiter saturn casts Methane in liquid form. Right so tight. Next it's funny just gave a lecture on titan today to my students inter major astronomy students yes. Titan is the only other body in the solar system that we know of that has hydrological cycle. But in the case of might tighten instead of water being the the the the major constituent of the cycle. It's liquid methane so titan has liquid methane leaks and in has methane evaporates and rains. And you know the whole cycle that we have on the earth so it's actually quite a fascinating world it's not super promising for habitability but but nevertheless is a very interesting world. David something in the news Scott i can remember maybe twenty years ago in lake in arizona or someplace like that somebody thought. They founded arsenic based life. I think that was a that was to Do you remember that. Yeah i do not remember that I i remember a few sort of false alarms including the allan hills meteorite. People still believe that that evidence of past life on mars Yeah i mean so you know this is. This is a it's science process. I think that's people of people that aren't scientists. Forget that and we make mistakes And the whole reason we do this is that we make hypotheses make observations and then someone can go either confirm those observations or refute them And that's how we move forward And and so an excellent example. This is the discovery of possible discovery of phosphine in the atmosphere of venus And as you you know you know that that it was originally suggested by the authors that the most probable source of this phosphine was life in the upper atmosphere of venus. And we're now currently in the process of testing to see if the signal is real Imagining if there's other ways of forming phosphine again we're moving. This is how science works. And i don't know how it's gonna turn out. It's a fascinating story. Not directly involved of just kind of paying attention as it. Very interested bystanders. So that habits mission is important in many ways right so you dog and fled to the dog or dog is important because supposedly lippi ask you does supplus. You'll find hundred like planet planets around sun like stars that has all the characteristics Cast walter has rocky. Silvers has been around for a few billion years. Let's say at that to get the steak and they'd be flied no life lyson them or hundred of them Putin debt Have to update our. I would say enthusiasm or looking out for life right right now. The argument goes something like that. Billions of possibilities out there and attached to be there. But if you don't find in hundred of similar and wineman statue ten something different right. I think i think that's the that's right. I should mention in all fairness that that habits actually won't be able to find one hundred earth like planets of based on what we know lavar might Because it's much larger aperture and much more capable also much more expensive and technologically difficult These things go hand. Hand arms or habits is sort of the first step but But even have access you know if you don't find anything if we find things that look they're for all the world habitable they have water vapor carbon dioxide rallies scattering indicating atmosphere Osa are sorry not ozone Anyway the all those constituents at said this looks like a potentially a world but we don't find any oxygen for example which is considered a biosignature And that's true of all of the planets that we find that are in the proximate to the habitable zone. I think that we would. You know that tells us something tells us something very interesting. I think the argument goes right. Is that life on earth from a geological records basically arose as soon as it possibly could the stopped having you know bids sterilizing impacts. There's evidence of past life now. Complex life took a lot longer to form So the the argument and again it's a it's a sample size of one But the argument is the navy life. Simple life is is relatively easy to form But more complex life is more difficult But again it's sample size of one And i think it would change our overall perspective rates of if we did find that there's lots of potentially habitable planets but not very few if any that are actually habitable and and you know i think these kinds of studies are not scientific but they're also philosophical in away right. Why do we do this. We you know we kind of want to understand our context and whether or not you know we're unique and different or whether or not there's abundance of life out there yet. Yeah thank you said. We don't know the answer. But finding either answer i think has and i think it would be profound yet if we found lot. Life is ubiquitous. That would be very interesting. If we found out that we were cosmic lonely That would be also very interesting right. Yeah i wanted to jump into You mentioned as the nancy. Grace roman space telescope. So that's a recent lead navy. I guess that dennis might that was originally the w the whitefield infrared survey telescope. Or w okay. So this is under the galaxy exoplanet survey. And you're talking about flee floating planet planet detection Plus the fall. So what's the motivation behind free floating planets started right so i just a just a little bit of a background. The nancy grace roman space telescope is a is telescope the size of hubbell but has a much larger field of view roughly a hundred times the field of view so that means it can map large as at the sky quickly or smaller areas of the sky but over and over and over again and the latter is what we were going to do with it to you to use the microlending method to find what we hope is thousands of planets in in the very complementary region of parameters face in kepler. So we're going to try to fill out this demographic survey of an combine it with kepler to measure the frequency of planets with radii and masses greater than earth and separations from zero to basically infinity from their parents star including free floating planets. Why do we think the free floating planets but might be out. There is that we have some tentative evidence from ground based microlending surveys which are not as sensitive as roman will be a but nevertheless have found population of very short timescale microns events. That seem like they're probably due to free floating planets and in fact one recent announcement was it most likely mass was roughly that of the earth which is quite fascinating theoretically. There's lots of reasons to believe that free floating planets especially low masri. Flooding plants might be common. I told you before that we know that a lot of systems planet formation was very messy was chaotic. The plant moved around a lot and that process just naturally ejects of of small planets and the big planet stay because they have more mass but they basically kick out a bunch of small planets. This process is almost certainly ubiquitous and by measuring the frequency of these free floating planets listening especially the low mass ones. We can get a sense of basically how messy planet formation is in general in the galaxy so so it could be planning such a know it could also be a fairly massive asteroid type things too right. Yeah so those would be the things that are the massive asteroids or even the massive something like sierra like the large asteroid series Pluto those those are going to be very tough to detect with but But we think that you know so basically planet formation is you know. It's it's construction. We think it's a bottom up kind of scenario you smart starbucks small things you build bigger things but just like any construction site as the as the building near nearing completion. There's just a bunch of debris all over the place and that debris eventually just either gets thrown impacts the planets that are there or gets ejected from the system and that's gonna be everything from pebbles to asteroid sized things. Maybe even things as big as mars or earth And that's the that's what we would kind of look for and by measuring the mass function of these things we can learn something about how the planet formation scenario works whether most systems were really very messy and through a bunch of stuff out Or were more like we think our solar system formation wants. Yes you sacred sob show. That roman will be sensitive to Masters Around point one the size of mars the gas giants greater than hundred times sites of mars so employing one massive marts. That's the least. Small body is roughly the mass of the moon. A massive born okay so we could actually detect something like the moon out there. Yeah so one of the great things about microloans Attacked things that roughly early twice the mass of the moon either bound to their host stars or Or free floating although the free flooding wants or much harder They would have to be pretty common for us to detect many of those But in principle we could systems like the earth moon system and one interesting thing is that studies From a graduate student at cornell is escaping me unfortunately show that actually when earth planets if you have an earth sized planet mass planet with a moon and that gets kicked out by say a jupiter often. It'll take its moon with it. So we could imagine free float on its with moons which is actually quite quite interesting. I'll be able to be sensitive to those with roman so these things subjected i mean. It's obviously that idea of speeds but do beheaded understanding of watch speed. They might travel they. They're basically ojected at the orbital velocity that they had so it's It's it's you know. They're not injected with an enormous amount of energy So that we expect them to have lost the distribution that are similar to the stars in our galaxy. maybe a little larger. yeah so so trying to convince The funders that is a good idea pollution. I want to ask his scott so as design this at you have done a lot of work. Lady effects of planets have seen all sorts of different things. They're different characteristics. Wants to a general sense of habitability. If you want to speculate Is it it other. Did i hear from people on both ends of the spectrum Some say it's a. It's no brainer. That it it should be all over the place and others say it's so complex you know. B. don't know seattle divided by zero multiplied by infiniti. That this guy date so so baby baby come out there. So i'm gonna. I'm gonna i'm gonna cheat a little bit and give you to answer so i so before covid. I used to spend a lot of time on airplanes and occasionally you know the person next to me would try to strike up a conversation and inevitably if they did i it i always say if i feel like talking if i don't feel like talking i tell them the eventually the tell asking what i do. If i don't feel like the caulking i'll tell them a physicist and the compensation you'd be like talking tell them on an astronomer and then you know nine times out of ten their eyes light up and inevitably in the course of the conversation asked me you know. Do you think there's life out there. Are we low right. Am i an answer as a scientist has to be. I don't know right. That's scientists will tell you and then of course they say why what do you think and i you know. I don't know but i'm trying to find out. So that's my client. That is my astronomer officials science. Answer if you as a person not as an astronomer do. I think that there's life out there i think yes i think it would be. It would be the the there's just so many opportunities we know planets that we know we know there's lots of stars we know that carbon and water is very common. We know now that planets are just everywhere every rocky turnover. There's a planet And nature is just way more imaginative than we are. And i just can't imagine that we're living in a universe where we are the only We are the only planet where only simple life but also complex life arose. So that's what i would say as a non scientist but has actually my fissile stances. The scientist is i don't know so to yes had to questions Life itself and complex life. Now the full me paddocks and belated arguments say that if you read some negative complexity. Some level of technology could sophistication doesn't take that long merola nice the galaxy but we don't have evidence of that happening right and so right depending on who you ask. There are definite visited by aliens. I am not one of them. That's right that's right to say they might just take a fly by and say yeah. It's not worth it to go down by twenty twenty. They're like no. We're just gonna ask elections get over in a so. Yeah i mean it is. It is an interesting question remains to be. Why haven't Colonization of the galaxy cast. I think they can say that right. I think it's pretty clear and if it has happened it's happened in a way that That is been designed so that civilizations like ours can't actually figure it out but I would say that's true. The fermi paradox is is actually troublesome if you really believe that complex life intelligent life Must have existed. And because there's not a lot of ways out of it The most promising one that i think of is with this call zoo hypothesis which is kind of like the prime directive in star trek. Right is that we don't we're not gonna let we're not gonna bother of the the the nascent young civilizations because we don't want you know affect their their evolution But but it is. It's it's it's a real. It's a real issue. It's a real head scratcher Why if it's so easy to colonize once you reach a certain level of technological sophistication. Why haven't we seen any evidence of that. Yeah i've been if the standard model holes then you know that the space time Kodo that began explore is highly limited. And so yeah. I mean it. It's it's limited in the sense. Well so i mean the basic the crux of the Fermi paradox is. That is that eventually. So i mean we've been technologically advanced if you call us technologically events p. one hundred years or something like that. Which is a blink right. We manage to make it for another thousand years ten thousand years. Even ten thousand years is nothing right but imagine ten thousand years where we might be technologically. Then i it's not even now right now. It's not even that ridiculous to think that we could the design a spacecraft that would allow us to get to the nearest planetary system like proximus and be. And then you know. Then it's just a question of developing the Civilization their each civilization sends out to two other colonization probes. You know and then you start to get this geometrical argument. And that's the crux of it. Is that you know two times time out to the square to the square. You start to build up pretty fast Slow so you know. The galaxy has been around for over ten billion years so There's been lots of opportunities for that and exactly why you know. And you're not might just be that civilizations. Just decide that. It's not a very good thing to do. It's kind of outer to everything that we know about a mankind humankind explorers heart But you know maybe there we learn something when we cross some edges of development that we say you know. Actually it's best to stay home. You knows yeah. I mean that makes a lot of sense to me. So the objective function that be sort of assume maybe forty right Right exploration and acquisition of been out be may not be factors Innovative technology advanced ventilation. Right i mean and there's some evidence that this might already be happening right. I mean there is. There are lots of arguments. Now that are becoming in these voices are getting stronger and stronger that you know attornal. Economic growth is neither possible nor a good thing right At this is related to things like climate change and things like that that maybe we want a steady state kind of situation. And maybe that's actually you know the that's actually the optimal Endpoint of civilization is some sort of steady state not constantly exploring a constantly. You know manifest destiny taking over Other planets who knows one sort of counterargument just to close this up is that at some point in about four and a half billion years. We had better figure out how to get off. This is just not going to let us live on it. Any more right so eventually we're all going to be living around cut huddled around little fires of 'em dwarves at very very small separation like traps one. You know that lived for ten trillion years because you know. That's that's the all of the sudden. Mike stars will have been long gone by that. You know after after about a trillion years. Yeah an even even tactically. I guess expectation is that the sun will blow up into a ridge. I ended about four billion years dog. the dime it will be orbit of the earth will be consumed by that. Say he has argued however earth will actually be consumed or just barely escaped. A bit doesn't act as you know. We're going to be burned to a crisp lock before that happens. The prediction is within two billion years. We're gonna have a runaway greenhouse and we're gonna end up like venus so but So you know. There are theories that we could just move the orbit of earth out by exchanging angular momentum with asteroids Which i think is a very amusing. Yeah and what i say is not something you want to sell to the lowest bidder. Yeah canucks canucks is important from from different perspectives. I think it's just we. I like to say this. But i think it's a little hokey but it's true. We've raised very critical point in our civilization in our technological advancement in our scientific knowledge. Where for the first time in our generation we might actually be able to go and look for life on other planets around other stars Within the next twenty or thirty years and And you know it seems inevitable to me you know. Even despite all of the chaos that's happening in the world and all the other things that we need to do to make sure that humanity actually makes it through this juvenile state that we're in right now that we will do this right. I mean it just an and the cost of it is not that high rate. The cost habits is something like of an aircraft carrier So you know compared to the the the defense budget. It's miniscule now. There's lots of arguments like we should be spending this unclean water and converting the renewable energy. And i'm by all those arguments. But i think as soon as we stop. Civilization seeking knowledge for knowledge sake were on the way down And so i think that it is. It is both important For humanity to continue on with these kinds of of investments not just looking for life but all the pursuit of knowledge in general and And i i just think it's. It's found that that sort of lingers in everyone's mind a mega said at every almost everyone. I know that i meet and they find out an astronomer. They almost always ask this question. Is there life out there. are we alone. Great excellent this has been great. Scott thanks andy all right. Thank you very much. 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Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network: 2021Talks (June 29, 2021)

Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network

03:00 min | 4 months ago

Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network: 2021Talks (June 29, 2021)

"Welcome to twenty. Twenty one talks where we're following our democracy in historic times. We are not immune. We're not an island. I see what's happening in other cities and states and our violence is spiking up as well in particular gun related violence in hartford connecticut. Governor ned lamont addressed a rise in gun. Violence during the pandemic and said five million dollars in federal money will go towards community outreach task forces and data sharing according to a washington post analysis there have been fourteen school shootings since march the highest total over that period during any year since nineteen ninety. Nine a dc. Federal court has dismissed to anti-trust cases brought against facebook by federal and state regulators led by new york attorney. General letitia james. The two cases accused facebook of using its power to stifle competitors. Federal trade commission has until july. Twenty ninth to file an amended complaint. The world health organization is urging even fully vaccinated people to continue wearing masks and maintain social distancing as more outbreaks linked to the delta variant spread around the world. Delta has been identified in at least eighty five countries including the united states. A microbiologist at reading university. Dr simon clarke said the delta variant is about fifty percent more transmissible and other virus variants in itself maze. affects more people. And even if it's not more letham. I think the jury is still out on whether it's actually release oil than other strains we see before that presents a big problem. Meanwhile both the pfizer and moderna. Vaccines are likely to offer lasting protection against covid. Nineteen according to a new study indicating people received either vaccine may not need a booster dose for years. Fifty five percent of the population has received at least one dose so far one of the main witnesses. Julian assange extradition case has admitted he made false claims against assange in exchange for immunity from prosecution a bombshell revelation. That could have a major impact on the wikileaks. Founders fate legal adviser to assange jennifer robinson. Not only did he misrepresent. He's access to join us onto culex his association with join assange. He has now admitted that he made up and falsely misrepresented to the united states that there was any association with wikileaks. In any association with hacking and president biden met with outgoing israeli president royden rivlin in the oval office where the two leaders discussed u s israeli relations and iran and israel. Going to continue to work together. She's the region and stability. And i've only one regret leaving. His president biden also noted he had ordered airstrikes day. Earlier targeting facilities. The us military says were used by iran backed militia groups near the border between iraq and syria for pacific and network and public new service. I'm nadia ramlogan. Thanks for listening.

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New Puppy Project: Introducing Live with Bella | Ep: #30

The DogBone Pawdcast

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New Puppy Project: Introducing Live with Bella | Ep: #30

"All right welcome back. We are this podcast number thirty three decades. We've hit now <hes> we are. We're on a little binge of recordings. We haven't recorded a few for a while so we're getting a couple of knocked out just finished up one talking talking about twenty nine which is going to be kind of an update on Ero. I mentioned in the podcast how many projects we currently have gone <hes> a bit overwhelming at times but for me exciting this one that we're gonNA talk about in this podcast is is the same very exciting <hes> something that I've been working on for some time in really excited about kind of kind of starting already down this little journey wonderboy Ben at my side as always doing a great job documenting things as they take place around round this place both for dog bone and for holiday for licking stick so what licking stick is a you know. It's not really a dog bone own podcast topic much ella. We talked about it a little bit at times <hes> we've done some interviews a lot of interviews with other podcasts and discussed both because <hes> we obviously have this presence when it comes to dear dog stuff and hold egg is a he's a dog product or red dog product. It's a deer product so there's a lot of overlap there but anyway you talk about a new addition to our pack not one that we will be keeping myself. Unfortunately I won't my wife will not allow it but we we got a new puppy. We picked up a new puppy. We we made a trip down a whirlwind trip. We went <hes> last Thursday. We left. We got back early Saturday morning. Just drove down and drove back. We went down to northern Alabama picked up a puppy that came from a Kennel in Florida Down Your Okeechobee Florida Kennel Kennel. Let's call Blue Cypress Kennel. I kind of so that the dog's name is Bella little black female the the part of it. That's been kind of a work in progress is her background so she comes comes from a dog. That comes from Kennel called fender would which is over in the U._k.. Came from a sire name Bailey you a dog. I'm very interested in <hes> have have spent some time. I've spent in recent time probably in the last year <hes> I've spent quite a bit of time in interest paying attention to specific. Some specific dogs very similar style dogs to to what I've what I've grown to love which is that U._k.. Bread style dog this is one so he is Bailey. Aley is a dog that is he's an champion. He won the A._l.. In Two thousand sixteen he took third place in Irish retriever championship in two thousand seventeen. He is qualified and competed in the ideal three or four years four years ago fourteen fifteen sixteen seventeen. I'm looking at his little resume here right now. He's a he's been a part of the English England retrievers team he the captain of that team is trainer and owner David David Letham so I have a lot of interest in that dog in particular his his this puppy Bellas mom is in imported dog that belongs to Cyprus named task test is if you'll trial winner that was imported. She has sired him to Paolo's hollows Apollo Greens way <hes> another dog that is a champion. He has a really impressive <hes> pedigree as well a dog that I had some into some specific interest in in general in from a genetic standpoint. The Bailey dog is the same way I'm interested in the genetics of that dog so I've got this in its for another project that we're working on that we can get into later eater but the reality of it is this came by just happenstance happen to be some luck involved. I had an opportunity to get a puppy copy from and <hes> went and picked her up. <hes> Jeremy Crisco who is a WHO is a kind of in charge of Blue Cypress Kennels. He manages manages it <hes> he's a trainer is also got another Kennel of his own in Alabama called whistling wings. I've known Jeremy for years met Jeremy Through wild rose kennels finals years years ago and have have you know we didn't we didn't talk real regularly but we Happened to have this opportunity to get this puppy and the puppy is like I said not for us. It's going to be for a client for friend of ours. His name is Brad. Add Brad is a guy that I met years ago at the Dixie deere classic. We were doing seminars. There and Brad was a client hantavirus. We had a dog. I don't know if some of the people that are listening to the podcast. This might be news to you too but we had a bit of a tragedy several several years back we had a fire and we lost <hes> my loved my beloved. Finn which was <hes> where a lot of this started for me <hes> she was she was lost in the fire along with a couple of our clients. Dogs and Brad's dog simmer was one of them and so <hes> we went through that was a real hard time and we got through it obviously in in in with the I'll be honest. The we we got <unk> through was everybody's support said unbelievable amounts of support from folks. Brad has becoming very very good friend of ours through who through some of the hard times you go through. I think you get some of your best friends out of it. In so brad is also an outfitter down in southern Illinois. He's from North Carolina. Mina wasn't outfitting business down southern Illinois. They Illinois Illinois waterfall and white till Earth wait till and waterfall one of the other after double check it but z Google that Ben They WanNa make sure I say it right. I think it's Illinois waterfall white till I want to say it but it's one or the other but they have a very big need. They'd obviously because of their line of business. A gun dog is is Illinois whitetail and waterfall so a gun dog is very valuable tool to them. Obviously a tracking dog is a very valuable tool to them obviously so we're going to we're going don't focus on this little dog developing her into both and we are going to record the process. We're going to document the process very similar to how we did live. I was spry we don't. I don't know the exact details on how we do. It just quite yet but we're working on it. I wanted to give you kind of a background of this dog that came into our lives in as we start to build it. You'RE GONNA see US instagram facebook youtube. You're going to start to see this dog. Come into play. Hey there so once you understand where that came from but what we're what we're GonNa do is our live with spry series is really valuable. I think for a lot of folks we're GonNa do something similar to that and so I don't know exactly how yet but we just got her in one of the things that we're doing with and we started filming this is I don't want people to realize that I bring a dog in the day the day we we start trading the people ask you when you start training talked about this in a video that we did today. I saw where someone said. I just got this puppy. Shed hunting forum than I.. I don't even know how I got to be a member of it. Somehow on it but someone asked this question when you start training and I cringe at the responses I don't usually get involved with like a public forum stuff because it just it gets too messy and I don't have time. I struggled to manage my own stuff but I got this. I I saw these. I read the answer I read doc comments and I cringe at the idea because several if not all of them said you gotTa let him be a puppy for the first several months. Just let them be a puppy and make everything be fun. Be Everything be positive now. I'm okay with fun and positive I'm not okay with just letting him. I read that as just let them do their own thing and maybe I'm reading people's comments incorrectly but if I were that person didn't know much about dogs. That's how I would've took it. I don't think you wait months before you start putting in good habits. I think it starts the day we picked the puppy up and so this puppy has a really nice little jump start to it. She is about <unk> out fourteen weeks old fourteen fifteen weeks old. She's quiet in the Kennel. She's very good from housebreaking standpoint. We've had no accidents <hes> we're GONNA knock on wood carry that through <hes> we're going to we've made a couple of little puppy retrieves. I don't think they did much. They're very sim- their approach is very similar the mine in that their patient the guys down at Blue Cyprus don't push a lot onto their dogs young. I had this conversation with with Jeremy. We talked about the timeframe involved in training a dog. I do not base training a dog on time age mount months weeks six days that I've been working on certain things just based on the progress of the dog. The dog dictates the speed and so I probably air err error but if you put me a spectrum I'm my dogs develop typically slower than most. It's because I'm not on a time in crunch like I don't charge by the month. I don't get paid by the month. I don't get more if I get more dogs through in a certain period of time. It's the the dog the dog the cost is the cost we get done when we get done in that could mean ten months that could mean eighteen months doesn't matter very very different. Way of doing it is how we do it in. That's that's okay. I like it that way. It takes an enormous amount of pressure off of me. It takes an enormous in consequently it takes enormous amount of pressure off the dog and when you start taking pressure off of these dogs watch them. Watch them accelerate period. I just think that's that's one of the biggest things that people don't recognize realizes the more you push to go fast. The slower typically goes when you stop worrying about that time element. Things speed up so we're going to. We're going to do our best to show that for the first several days now that we've had her here. I'm just getting a feel for her and she's just getting a feel for me. In all we're doing is building. Some trust build confidence. I'm getting to know her. One thing I love about her is she's exceptionally bold at at moments in in certain situations and she's very very extremely cautious. Certain moments and I just think it's a really nice little little balance. I do believe that's genetics and that that is the her she. She's got a supernatural retrieve. I have given her to retrieves like two repetitions three times in the last I got today. There's picked her up on Friday so you had her about six days. She's made six retrieves three days. Two different two different retrieves on three different days and the delivery is nice. I'm sharing it with their. We're encouraging. The idea of it's not take away. It's not keep away she so that was those were structured. Retrieves that little dog August retrieving shit to me constantly. She's picking up my crocks. She I call her the crocodile hunter you gotTa pick your shoes up around her because she will pick them up and she she will bring him right to your feet and she'll hold onto him and it's just man. Is that fun so but I can't get over excited about that and I I don't WanNa burn that out I don't. I want to create an issue with that so pickup. Issues is the lesson that we're getting around here some of the stuff though that she's got just a sweetest little personality Nelly. She's got just a wonderful disposition. She's very quiet. She's very I'll say focused kissed for very short periods of time but when you do have her focus it's there as much as I would expect it fourteen or fifteen weeks old so I can tell you right now from from a breeding standpoint she's fine. She's just really fine. It confirms some some of the things in my mind about this line of dogs and it's it'll it'll it's the some of the information that I was looking for for other things that are coming up down the road but great little dog and so she so far a real keeper and now will we run into issues. Oh my God yeah. We're GONNA you know. There's no doubt we're going to run into. We always do and I do think that <hes> there's value in the mistakes. There is value in the struggles and the problems that you have from a learning opportunity unity. She is going to be different than spry. You couldn't pry spry out of my dead lifeless hands. I love that dog doc. We went through enough raising her up that we struggled with. We also went through some things with her that were supernatural and she was excellent at <unk> on lead. He'll work. She was sharpen you know she was. She's always been very responsive. Now that I got into handling with her she's two and a half years old and now that I started handling with her you WanNa talk about dog at handles while spry is taken to it. We're doing it with cody right now. SPRITE took to it super easily a little later in the game shoes gel she was over two years old so as cody right now but sprite takes an tint take a little bit of pressure. I can I can I can make correction with her and not necessarily be worried about her. Shutting shutting down so sprouted some stuff that in continues to do stuff that's just great but spry also had that's up things. That weren't so great. She challenged me in in certain ways. This dog's going to challenge me in certain ways as well everyone you train does they all have good things and the all things aren't so good but I I'm just really looking forward to this. Little Dog. Surname is Bella in then. We will be bringing a lot more about her. You're going to see a lot more with her. <hes> we're going to work with the guys from Illinois White till and waterfall in in getting as much information about her out there as possible. I look forward to spending some time down at their place. Hopefully in in the season season coming. We would not be hunting her obviously but I'd love to be able to sneak down there. Bring her with it's A.. You know there's a good excuse to go visit and show your dog will just happen to timing out when the migration is right. Ben Says he volunteers for that trip Yup Yup. Okay okay well. I'll run the camera free but but so yeah so we we're real excited about it. It's it's an awesome opportunity community and I think it's going to become a better opportunity for us to try to help some folks out there that are either listening to the podcast like this or watching it through a youtube or watching through instagram and facebook. I'd be real curious as to are. We are not a very wide community. We but we are a very deep community. I've said that before I would rather be deep than wide. We don't have a million followers. We don't have hell that dog. That training Aero has more followers on instagram than we do. That's not saying a ton but it are following his huge. I don't care because is the people that do follow them in their committed and they're believers in their super supportive of everything that we're doing and I would much rather have that in my hope visit that we don't water stuff down to give you information like I don't want to just get our idea with these podcasts is they should all be good. Don't do a bunch of podcasts and make them behalf asked. I hope there's value now. They're all a little different so some may apply apply more than others to certain people but our our hope is just like our audience. Keep it really top notch as far as quality quality and bring value and and not necessarily volume and I think that's a reflection of what our business is. This model is like we're not into producing lots of stuff producing the best stuff in so when it comes to dogs. I'm not interested in great volume. <hes> I don't want to do tons and tons. I it would take the fun out for me. It would make me not I wouldn't do as well. The dogs won't turn out as well. If if I had more I couldn't. I couldn't provide the same quality so we're always going to do things on a smaller scale when it comes to certain items now now when it comes to our training products comes training dummies we can make one or we can make a million and they're. GonNa be all the same quality because the design went into it. It's a manufactured thing it's processed thing that we just push the button and you make more of them. The dogs are different and so we are are firm believers in kind of a small fine craft when it comes to working with these dogs and raising them so this this little dog that we're adding Ian Right now is is something that I'm very very excited about. We'll continue to keep you updated hunter. That's probably enough on her right now. We're you know like I said we're only a week or less than a week into it but boy what a what a it's been a while since I've been this excited about a new pop. It's just timing wise. It's good for us and literally the the amount of background in work that I've put into into tracking it down and getting hold of it. It's just a really nice feeling to have it so we're excited. We're looking forward to it. We appreciate the help. Nope we got from Blue Cypress with it Jeremy Crisco in particular for helping me line it up and in in our often running so <hes> that's it for this week. That was number thirty. We've got a couple more that we're in. We're in a studio. We're in the studio right now my kitchen but we just we just did an Arrow update. We're going to this one on Bella and now we're going to. We got another one. That's actually a facebook question so we're going to go back to that that we're going to continue. Thank you so much for your support. Thank you for listening. Thank you for for letting us know when what you WanNa hear. Please continue to do that if you do us a favor and and be sure to subscribe if you do us a favor if you know of anybody that you think this would be helpful for <hes> pass it onto them shirt to them. If they're not into podcast PODCAST APPS you can get you know obviously you can get it anywhere. 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