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Trailer: Join the Nationwide Manhunt for Lester Eubanks
"There was a murder in central Ohio that many people still don't want to talk about the man who committed that crime once sat on death row but now he's on the run his name is less museum this map you've seen this man have you seen this man coming up Tober twenty third this fugitive cases in American history now they may be closer than ever from ABC News have you seen this man. Small Group of inmates were granted permission to walk outside prison walls his handcuffs were taken off he changed into civilian clothing writings and every turn found resistance from those who want lesser eubanks to be forgotten what they've uncovered is a case through eubanks Lester didn't tunnel out of prison or scale stonewall on December morning in nineteen seventy three he and zig needed meeting spot hours later all the inmates came back except Lester eubanks and he hasn't been seen since it seemed like no one was even looking for Leicester but recently his whereabouts have become the focus of the US Marshall Service the federal agents who track ABC News over the past year a team from the ABC News Investigative Unit Join the search for Leicester Eubanks they uncovered new leads possible fugitives the case is testing the marshalls does not enlarge running out we're going to catch up with lesser and is being urged on by those hurt most by lester and he and three others were driven to a local mall they were told they could wander the stores and were asked to return to a dead that's about more than murder it's about family loyalty a life on the run and a first hand look at how the US marshals are trying to solve one of the old crime he's had enough free time he confessed to the crime and his time is up. I'm Sunny Halston with. Let's get a full plan a astounded that this could actually happen
Scandal 34: The Blackmail of Lester Hunt
"In the year leading up to the twenty twenty election we're counting down the biggest scandals in American political history. This is number thirty four the blackmail of Lester Hunt. The Senate offices sat quiet on the morning of June nineteenth nineteen fifty four. It was a Saturday after all and the warm sunshine invited. Dc residents outside to enjoy the weather but not everyone would venture into the weekend with such carefree plans. Such was the case for detective. Jack Frost No not that Jack Frost. This investigator was less jovial. Figure that morning anyway he'd been summoned up to the Senate offices by Capitol Security. Why they wouldn't say not over the phone but clearly something had gone wrong. Frosts suspicions were confirmed when he arrived on the third floor of the building to see a gathering of AIDS murmuring and hushed tones. They briefed him on. The situation was shaken but there wasn't time to waste. He launched into action. They needed an empty florist van immediately. An odd demand perhaps but calling an ambulance draw too much attention an emergency vehicle at the congressional offices on a weekend no less would send reporters into a frenzy and frost needed to buy the staffers time before the news vans arrived. They had to figure out how to tell the Wyoming senator's family why a gunshot rang out in his office that morning. Welcome to political scandals. Apar- cast original. I'm Richard and I'm kate. You can find all episodes of political scandals and all other podcast originals for free on spotify or ever you listen to podcasts to stream political scandals for free on spotify just open the APP and type political scandals in the search bar at podcast. We are grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network? Washington. Dc The nineteen fifties. It's nearly impossible to hear these words and not immediately associate them with McCarthyism. Mccarthyism takes its name from. Joseph McCarthy the Wisconsin senator known to this day for perpetuating a red scare in the nineteen fifties he effectively convinced the US that communism was slipping into every crack of American life and coming for the country's democratic ideals but the red scare wasn't the only mania brewing at the time there was another scare similarly tied to communism but also linked to contemporary misconceptions about homosexuality. Which until the nineteen seventies was categorized by the American Psychiatric Association? As a psychological illness conservative fearmongers believed the. Lgbtq community was extra vulnerable to being duped by the United States. Communist enemies could after all be blackmailed for their sexuality. No matter that blackmail is the fault of the blackmailer and plenty of heterosexual government. Employees had skeletons in their closets. To LGBTQ was suddenly equated with communism and the paranoia had violent consequences. The lavender scare as it was dubbed lasted from the late nineteen forties into the nineteen sixties it led to thousands of investigations into the sexuality of Government Employees. Such inquiries aim to dismiss. Lgbtq civil servants from their jobs but the lavender scare didn't stop there according to the National Lgbtq Chamber of Commerce not only lgbt federal employees fired but many others were also simply fired for guilt of association. In knowing someone who was LGBT was grim time but even pervasive movements like the lavender scare. Don't simply emerge out of thin air. They have their leaders. The ones who turn fear into paranoid retributive action. In the case of the lavender scare that leader was new? Hampshire senator styles bridges. He was a formidable leader. Back in one thousand nine thirty four at age thirty seven he become the youngest governor in the United States at the time in one thousand nine hundred eighty six. He was elected to the New Hampshire Senate seat that he would hold for nearly a quarter of a century eventually his long congressional tenure saw him rise to the rank of president pro tempore a the second most important officer in charge of the Senate when the vice president is away by the early nineteen fifties. According to biographer Rodger mcdaniel. Bridges was considered the most important man in the United States Senate and one of the five or six most powerful men in the world. The weight he threw behind the lavender scare cause was tremendous but like most powerful men. Bridges didn't fight his battles alone. He had allies everywhere. Even the Eisenhower White House was complicit in one thousand. Nine hundred fifty. Three President Eisenhower signed an executive order which listed sexual perversion grounds. For firing current employees perversion. Here was a euphemism for anyone. Who wasn't heterosexual. The order encouraged more agencies to spring up and police the perceived threat the DC metro police even created a vice unit tasked with serving the city's social scene from businesses to parks a detective named Roy. Blick would become Washington's one man watchdog. These lavender scare policies contributed to the McCarthy Ist climate of nineteen fifties DC a climate of fear persecution and enemies. That seemed impossible to up with because they didn't exist but what business congressional fearmongers and undercover cops have with a humble dentist from Wyoming. Well that dentist was Lester. Hunt who in addition to being a dentist was a Democratic senator holding a highly coveted seat in nineteen fifty three. The Senate was split. Forty eight Democratic senators held the narrowest of majorities of their forty seven Republican colleagues. If one Democrat were to resign though the balance of power would flip out of the forty eight Democrats Lester. Hunt was particularly interesting to Republicans. His term was about to end in one thousand nine hundred ninety four and if hunt gave up his seat. Most people on the hill speculated that he'd be replaced by current Wyoming Governor CJ. Rogers who was you guessed it a Republican. But of course there was little reason for hunt to give up his seat. He had solid support in his home. State and by the political standards of the fifties. He was an honorable man with an admirable backstory. After growing up in Small Town Illinois Hunt paid his way through dental school by working the railroads when World War One broke out. He dutifully enlisted to serve and in nineteen twenty when the war wound down he and his new wife novell moved back to Wyoming and dedicated themselves to their community. Hunts nineteen thirty two decision to run for the State Legislature? Was Par for the course. It didn't matter that he had barely any experience in politics. It just mattered. That people trusted him Wyoming politics. Were still very much. The Wild West there wasn't the same insistence on political pedigree as back east and in the midst of the Great Depression a local democratic veteran was someone Wyoming could throw its weight behind. He understood the plight of the average family hunt was elected as a representative to the Wyoming state legislature in nineteen thirty three in nineteen forty eight. He ran for the United States. Senate and one Lester Hunt. The small town dentist had made it to Washington all with his unimpeachable reputation intact. Unfortunately he joined the town just as the paranoia of the red lavender scares was nearing its boiling point and in that age the Republicans and particularly paranoid leaders like styles. Bridges knew that enough digging. Would unearth cracks in any man's reputation as hunts freshman term wound down in nineteen fifty. Three bridges became increasingly determined to find that crack. It was worth a bit of effort considering that if he took hunt down he might just win his party. A majority in the Senate up next Senator Bridges Resorts to dirty tactics in his fight for Leicester on Senate seat High Park. Get ready for a real treat. If you enjoy stories about crime mystery and the unexplained you'll absolutely love the new park asked original series supernatural with Ashley Flowers. It's hosted by Crime Junkies Ashley. Flowers and you can hear new episodes every Wednesday. Most mysteries can be solved by looking at the facts but sometimes the facts don't lead to a logical explanation and the truth lies somewhere in the unknown in supernatural with Ashley. Flowers Ashley takes a deep dive into the strange and surreal to explain some of the world's most bizarre true crime occurrences each week. She'll dig into a different crime or mystery where the most fitting theory isn't always the most conventional from exorcisms to unsolved murders to alien abductions. Ashley will take on. The tails challenge the unexplained and dissect the facts with a heavy helping of skepticism and rationale. So are you ready? To get to the bottom history's most peculiar events. Follow supernatural with Ashley. Flowers free on spotify. Or wherever you get your podcasts. Now back to the story. In the nineteen fifties the United States was fighting an onslaught of paranoia. The American public lingered in perpetual anxiety wondering what the next menace would be Republican. Senator Joe McCarthy stepped in to tell the country that public enemy number one was communism and number two was the Lgbtq community for these fearmongers. Anyone that deviated from the narrow ideal of heterosexual. Conservatism should be subject to surveillance. It was a good climate for taking down civil servants with whispers of disgrace unfortunately for Wyoming. Senator Lester Hunt who in Nineteen fifty-three was nearing the end of his first term in Congress. Senator Styles Bridges was determined to take hunt seat for the GOP through whatever means necessary. His first approach was to pointedly attack. Lester hunts politics claiming he was weak on communism. According to biographer Rodger. Mcdaniel the New Hampshire senator openly criticized hunt for taking a position. He felt was too lenient on the employment of homosexuals and others who bridges thought were security risks in the federal government but verbal accusations would only do so much. Bridges needed something bigger in the summertime of nineteen fifty three. He'd get his ammunition bluster hunt son also named Lester so nicknamed Buddy was briefly visiting Washington D C A rigorous learner. Buddy had graduated from swarthmore college in June of nineteen forty nine. He was inspired. By the College's commitment to social justice. After graduation buddy was eager to take what he'd learned and apply it to a life in theology specifically he enrolled at the Episcopal Theological School in Massachusetts. He planned to continue his coursework and spend his summers teaching abroad in Havana. But before heading out for Cuba buddy swung by to visit his parents in Washington and for one reason or another late one June evening. The twenty four year old was walking through. Dc's Lafayette Park. It was no ordinary patch of grass. Lafayette Park had a reputation for hosting all kinds of activities protests dates and social gatherings including those of Washington's Gay community however the rise of the lavender scare had changed the atmosphere of DC's popular hangout spot by Nineteen fifty-three Lafayette Park was less a place of fun. Then somewhere where members of the LGBTQ community might be trapped by vicious gang members or cops and trap was precisely what waited for buddy hunt that summer. Night as Buddy pass through the park. He walked by an undercover. Dc Metro police officer. This officer John. Costanzo allegedly tried to catch. Hunts I in his court testimony? Buddy said Costanzo was swaggering trying to attract my attention. They made eye contact and the two were prepared to go to buddies place when Costanzo flashed his badge. Buddy hunt was arrested then escorted to the polices morals division to have his mugshot and fingerprints taken. Though he could have called Senator Hunt and his mother fell. Buddy opted to spend the night in jail. He knew that thanks to a pervasive culture of fear and shame. The charges would embarrass the family and potentially impact his father's career. The next morning buddy was officially charged with soliciting for a lewd and immoral purpose. This was all in keeping with the practices of the time what happened. Next was not the head of the DC metro vice squad. Roy Blick sent word to Senator Lester Hans Office. That buddy was in trouble hunt undoubtedly new Blix name and the kinds of cases he worked he also knew the potentially damaging implications of the case in the midst of the lavender scare so he didn't go to the jailhouse himself instead he sent a proxy. His congressional aide. Mike Mantos Manitoba's would meet with Blick and get a litmus on the situation upon learning the charges Manitoba's apparently explained that buddy had been receiving psychiatric treatment and wasn't in his normal state of mind. This was untrue but he likely figured it was the best argument to get. The charges dismissed Blix. Alleged reply was surprising as his initial call to Senator Hunt. The detective said he tried to get the case thrown out this coming from a man who boasted about rating. Lafayette Park spoke volumes. Perhaps Lester Hunt. Sterling reputation in Washington was even more powerful than the rampant aggression of McCarthyism and the lavender scare the fact that the charges were subsequently withdrawn. Seemed to confirm this after a few days. Prosecutors decided not to pursue further action citing the fact that it was buddies. I defense this may very well have been the end of the story. Had it not been for one crass comment made to Senator Bridges? According to mcdaniel in the days following buddies arrest. Senator Ridges was told that the Lester C hunt who had been charged with soliciting sex from an undercover officer was his fellow senator. Clearly the congressional aide who gave Bridges Information had confused Senator Hunt with his son but the remark was all. It took to spur bridges to investigate he along with his colleagues senator. Herman Welker of Idaho immediately. Paid A visit to Roy. Blick who explained that it was buddy not lester senior. Who had been picked up bridges and Welker were likely disappointed but not without hope it wasn't quite as damaging for senator to have a gay family member as it was for him to be gay himself. It was certainly still an embarrassment. The real problem came with detective. Blick second piece of information. The law wasn't moving forward with charges. That would not do whispers about a gay son. We're all well and good but it was a trial against Hun Sun. That would really make their colleague. Look bad. The senators were not going to let this opportunity go. Senator Welker contacted Blick multiple more times that day. Finally that night welker demanded that blick come meet him in person. There welker accused him of taking a two thousand dollar. Bribe to drop buddies charges. Blick was taken aback. He defended his work. Clearly the senator was trying to frame him. Blake refused to admit any wrongdoing and promptly left but bridges and welker would not be deterred. They simply have to try another tactic and luckily bridges had connections in the DC metro. Police Detective Blick found himself taken off. But he's case in the meantime senators bridges and Welker launched another line of attack. This one directly at Senator Hunt. They'd use the threat of trial to try and coerce him out of his seat much quicker than actually waiting for fallout from the trial and easier for everyone like all men of the Cold War bridges and Welker loved a good proxy. They sent a third party to deliver their ultimatum. Glenn Red Jacoby. The University of Wyoming Director of athletics hunt had once helped Jacoby raised funding for uw athletic program. That relationship made him a promising emissary and his job simple. All he had to do was tell hunt that he best give up his Senate seat or buddy would be prosecuted and the whole country would hear about it. But you Kobe's conscience tugged at him. And he stalled he didn't want to have such a responsibility dumped in his lap. Instead he asked Joe o'mahony a former Wyoming senator to tell hunt o'mahony he suspected would have the gumption to follow through. Jacoby was right. O'mahony delivered the message. Senator Hunt immediately understood the stakes of bridges threat. A trial would be a huge blow not just to buddies reputation but to his whole family. Dinner invitations would be lost in the mail. Golf Buddies would forget to mention. They were playing at a different course. Charitable committees would fail to invite his wife to their TS and luncheons and even if he did decide to drag his family through that shame he might still lose the support of his constituents in the fallout and end up without a career. But Lester Hunt had come from. Nothing worked his way up fought in a world war if he allowed himself to be strong armed. What would that say about the reputation? He'd built about his values. According to journalist Drew Pearson Hunt finally decided he would not permit himself to be blackmailed out of office. The ball was back in bridges court. But he'd need to roll up his sleeves in order to make the charges against buddy hunt reappear but bridges wasn't one to turn his nose at hard work or bat an eye twisting a few arms for his cause according to Pearson he and his ally Senator Joe Welker once more sought out their main man. Detective Roy Blick and allegedly this time. It wasn't a matter of verbal abuse. Blick was given a copy of his unsigned letter of resignation and told that the prosecution of buddy hunt should be forthcoming or else on June thirtieth. Another warrant for buddies arrest on the same. Moral charges was issued. Despite the fact that buddy was now in Cuba for his episcopal coursework. The summons was adamant that he returned to Washington. His trial date was set for October. Nineteen fifty-three buddies lawyer. Under senator. Hunts watchful eye began to prepare the defense? He would argue. That buddy was an innocent victim of entrapment. I that meant proving that Costanzo had been trying to lure in buddy. This wouldn't be hard to do considering that it was a central part of Costanzo 's job however the second portion of entrapment takes into account the defendants behavior. But he's lawyer had to convince the judge that buddy hadn't been open to advance from Costanzo. No he wasn't publicly out about his sexuality. Buddies lawyer was inclined to believe his client would have engaged with Costanzo proposition and he was worried. The judge would think the same years later buddy himself admitted I wasn't framed. I guess technically it was entrapment but I was ready for the trap. Trial ended without much light at the end of the tunnel. Buddy was deemed guilty and given the choice to pay a one hundred dollar fine or serve thirty days in jail. He paid the fine. Senator Hunt faced the trial's conclusion with gritted teeth and seriously considered whether it was even worth running for reelection. The arrest and trial hadn't been widely publicized yet but he knew that was liable to at any moment after all he was no longer a young man he told the governor of Alaska about his hesitations. He was no longer of the age to reconcile gambling. Ten thousand dollars. Twelve thousand or maybe fifteen thousand dollars on the questionable possibility of being re elected as nineteen fifty four wound on however it appeared. Hunts worries about reelection were abating. According to mcdaniel. He'd even commissioned a poll measuring his support against four possible GOP CONTENDERS. The poll told him he would likely be reelected. Perhaps all his worrying about the political fallout of buddies arrest. Trial was for not but as the election approached the blackmail began. His opponents threatened to flood wyoming with leaflets about buddies conviction and the senators stiff-upper-lip didn't mean he wasn't affected by the idea of having his son publicly outed and used as a political chesapeake. Washington could have guessed as much everyone in the city lived in the same culture of fear and persecution still. The city was shocked when just two months after announcing his reelection campaign. Lester Hunt made an announcement. He was withdrawing from the race back home in Wyoming hunts constituents clamored for answers to. He'd been so well positioned to win and if hunt wasn't going to run for Senate. What was he going to do up next? Senator Hunt makes a shocking choice now back to the story after weathering his sons criminal trial and hinting that he'd seek reelection. Senator Lester Hunt Spring. Nineteen fifty four bombshell didn't make sense. He announced he wouldn't run. But William Harrison. The most formidable candidate running against him had already dropped out. He had excellent odds of winning Hans. Own Explanation for the announcement did little to satisfy the public. He made the vague claim that he had to end his campaign due to pressing health issues as the Washington. Rumor Mill. Started churning so did whispers that hunt had been making regular visits to the says the Naval Hospital recently for what no one quite knew as support poured in hunt assured his constituents and friends that he was okay. He just needed time to mend his private actions though contradicted his words. Little did those close to the senator. No he was preparing for something. According to biographer Rodger mcdaniel. He said about writing a series of letters one went to Dean crackle at the University of Wyoming Hunt asked that the university archive would receive his records as soon as his Senate term concluded. The next year more litters went out to former coworkers and mentors. He thanked his former aide. Old Dental colleagues for guiding him through his early years. Apparently he sent letters nearly until the day he died and that day would come all too soon on Saturday. June nineteenth nineteen fifty. Four hunt slipped out from his home. He told no one of his plans but simply got behind the wheel and drove to his Senate office alone. It wasn't odd for representatives to be working weekends at the Capitol. Various AIDS held weekend shifts to support anyone pulling odd hours when the senator arrived though his hands were full literally so full that a young security guard offered to lend him a hand. Hunt handed him a Winchester Bolt Action. Twenty two rifle. The guard didn't recall. The item is odd. He'd always thought of the senator as a strapping cowboy from Wyoming. So he didn't think twice. About what the gun had. In the senator's office hunt arrived at his door and bid. Farewell with that. He completed a few final tasks. He moved photographs of each of his children to the front of his desk and arranged for letters intended for his aid. Mike Mantos to give to his family. His timing was meticulous. He arrived at the office shortly before. Manitoba's likely knowing he'd be found by the loyal aide and quickly so the proper measures could be taken hunt felt. His wife and children had gone through enough stress with buddies trial. He didn't want them to have to experience. The heartbreaking moment of finding his body as planned Manitoba arrived to find hunt in his office chair. Just minutes after hunt pulled the trigger. He was dead from a gunshot wound to the head soon after detective. Frost was called in to help deal with the situation and so began the process. The florist band was called into move the body. The press was skirted arrangements were made to tell the senators family. Hunt's wife nefail remained largely silent in the days after hunt's death though she attributed her husband's suicide to health issues she never specified which a memorial service was arranged for the next week much of The Washington. Political sphere was invited. Many were grieving the Senator Journalists Drew Pearson especially he had known hunt was being blackmailed and that bridges and his cronies were pulling dishonest. Even illegal tricks had he written about it earlier. Perhaps he could have helped. Spare the senator some anguish. Perhaps he could have even prevented him from taking his own life. However in an effort to not further rattle the family after Buddies Trial Pearson claim that Senator Hunt had personally asked him to stay mum after Han suicide though Pearson couldn't stay quiet any longer. He knew a grave injustice had occurred at the hands of men still in Congress. Just a few days after hunt's death Pearson wrote with knives out saying hunt had been living under the fear of political blackmail in connection with his son Pearson gave every detail he had explaining. What many Washington insiders were afraid to share? How senators bridges and welker tried to make hunt resign how they then resorted to strong. Arming the DC police to reinstate prosecution against buddy he closed his column solemnly stating that he feared that hunt was not just a dedicated senator but a sensitive father who didn't want his son dragged through the mud at the expense of his reelection. Senator Bridges was furious. Perhaps in all his pomp and circumstance. He believed a low level journalist. Wouldn't go after him but Pearson's column in The Washington. Merry go round muckraking. As new snobs called it opened the gates for more criticism. The more reputable Washington Post soon chimed in. Thanks to journalist Marquee Child's he titled his Report Smears and Tears Plague the Senate he to condemn the duo stating the McCarthy welker faction of. The party had blood on its hands for its role in hunt suicide with all this press pointing directly at them. It was increasingly necessary for senators bridges and Welker to attend hunts June thirtieth memorial avoiding the event would only feed speculation that they held some responsibility for the suicide at the service. Lyndon B Johnson took to the podium and expressed his sadness saying I can think of few events which cast a greater pall of gloom over the Senate than the untimely and tragic death of our beloved colleague. Lester Hunt though. It's unclear who permitted the next two speakers to contribute eulogies both bridges and Welker were allotted time to speak after LBJ walkers closing words whereas insensitive as expected a last ditch effort to extricate himself from blame. He praised hunt briefly. Before adding I venture to say hunt could have been the senior senator from Wyoming as long as he lived or as long as he desired subtext. We weren't gunning for his seat. Despite their false show of mourning at hunts memorial bridges and Welker were both boiling with fury they wanted to crucify drew. Pearson for alleging that they had been blackmailing hunt. The vitriol even filtered up to Joe McCarthy himself according to mcdaniel Senator McCarthy had a frame sledgehammer in his office labeled for Drew Pearson only indeed bridges was on a bloodthirsty quest for damage control. He wanted Pearson's column to be ripped from syndication less. The journalists claims continue to be spread into other newspapers across the nation on June twenty-first ridges contacted bell syndicated and threatened them outright. Saying if you're syndicate or any of your papers under contract with you carry the Drew Pearson story with respect to the undersigned the late. Lester Hunt that you. And each of you will be held strictly accountable. Bridges didn't stop there. He tried to shore up his reputation at home. Too with the help of the publisher of the Manchester Union Leader New Hampshire's largest daily newspaper publisher. William Loeb claimed the Drew Pearson's column was not only a Hogwash. But that the dirty unfounded accusation will soon be exposed for the baseless. Lie It is. It came as no surprise that the editorial from Senator Bridges Homestate offered little factual evidence to back the argument that he was innocent as mcdaniel. Put it. The diatribe consisted wholly of lobes political prejudices surely topic so contested warranted further investigation. Senator Lester Hunt had by all accounts killed himself under very concerning circumstances. No such inquiry came though despite Linden Johnson's awareness of the situation. The Senate Ethics Committee never opened an investigation. This could have been to respect the wishes of Hunt's wife. Nfl was largely private and declined. Press requests following her husband's death. It was also probable that now the Republican led Senate wasn't eager to dig further into what its leaders had or hadn't done because as anticipated hunts vacant seat was filled by Republican Edward D. Creeper the Senate majority that senators bridges and Welker had long lusted over was finally. There's for a few months. The general election of nineteen fifty four found Democrat. Joseph o'mahony running for Senator from Wyoming. Yes the same man who delivered the news of the impending blackmail to hunt and much to the displeasure of bridges and Welker o'mahony one though nothing could abate the tragedy of senator hunt suicide. There was a certain air of shot in Freud in the fact that styles bridges was the one to swear in Wyoming's newest Democratic senator after all. That's the job of the President Pro. Tempore a great power great responsibility but the glory days were fading quickly. The aging styles bridges would become an increasingly likely suspect of tax evasion in his final years. The stock piles of cash left in various places for his wife to retrieve after he passed only seemed to confirm it the gray eminence as he was nicknamed died of a heart attack in Nineteen. Sixty one with bridges. Finally out of the picture. No one could argue lester. Hunt had become suicidal at random in an effort to further clarify the senators motives and whether a medical condition had prompted him to take his own life. Biographer Rodger mcdaniel made requests to access his medical records in accordance with the freedom of Information. Act however the inquiries to the Bethesda and national archives went unanswered so mcdaniel asked Wyoming Senator John Barrasso to intervene which under a shocking revelation according to mcdaniel the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Bethesda Naval Hospital destroyed records. That would have shed light on the black male of Lester Hunt. Thirty years after his death. It's unclear if either agency had reason to participate in a however the destruction of records that would have helped settled. This outstanding question is troubling indeed. It leaves hunts story without any clear resolution. But what the episode does make clear? Is that a politics of suspicion and hatred has very real human consequences and certainly in this case. None of those consequences were good. Not even for bridges. Thanks for listening for more information on Senator Lester Hunt and the lavender scare amongst the many sources we used. We found Roger. Mcdaniels dying for Joe McCarthy sins the suicide of Wyoming Senator Lester Hunt extremely helpful to our research. We'll be back next week with scandal number thirty three Bath House John Coughlin and Michael Hinky Dink Kenna. You can find all episodes of political scandals and all other podcast originals for free on spotify. Not only does spotify already. 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Commando (1985) | Mark L. Lester
"Hi welcome to around the world in eighties movies. My name is vince leo i am the author of the film review website webster dot net. I invite you to check out over four thousand of my written reviews and read their anytime quips. Dot net is where to go q. w. I p. s. t. e. r. dot net while you're there. I do encourage you to check out my podcast that looks at brand new movies out in the theaters ears are on VOD year streaming services wherever you happen to take in your new movies. I try to cover at least the ones that i'm interested in. You can find that information at my website quip webster dot net today. I'm going to be looking at the second part of a three part series in which i review films of the nineteen eighties three films of the nineteen eighties at feature commandos sandos as part of the main cast last week. We looked at predator this week. We're going to look at another film that features arnold schwarzenegger and it's a natural choice because it's called well simply commando. It came out in nineteen eighty-five. It's an r. rated film because of well so much violence strong violence language nudity. The run time is about an hour and a half arnold schwarzenegger as i mentioned is the star we have supporting roles going to radon chong. Dan eliza milano vernon wells james olson david patrick kelly and bill duke. The director is mark. L lester screenplay credited to stephen e desouza commander. I have a lot of history with in fact when i was a teenager i remember renting this and being not very enamored of it. I thought it was just too silly and not at all a good movie over time. I've tended to like it a little bit more each time but i've never gotten quite to the point where i fully embraced it. Even though i know that there are a lot of people that really love commando window for their own reasons so because i'm doing a film that specifically looks at the nineteen eighty s and what is so great about the movies then try to put on my goggles goals of what it is that people look for whether it meets those expectations and whether it's accessible and i will give my review. Will i come around on this this or will i not. I guess you'll have to listen and find out now. Commandos the film that set the mold for the iconic arnold schwarzenegger screen persona that we all know today he really it shows off for the first time in his career his charisma his penchant for one liners has he delivers kill shots and prior to commando his high profile roles mostly consisted of have minimal dialogue. You had the gruff conan the barbarian and its sequel and there was a more robotic delivery in the terminator of course this one's more in keeping with the many of the one man army films of the nineteen eighties. You know that sub genre was popularized by first blood and the rambo sequels and it features high. AM f- assists on bulging biceps very oil physiques comic book level dialogue very cartoonish scenarios high kill counts usually the more are the better and action figure ready displays of braun now unlike stallone's rambo series however arnold schwarzenegger's brand of action usually shoes shoes political motivation in rambo of course we had the vietnam soldier experience this one's more in favor of the personal what it means to the character and not necessarily early for the country here arnold is fighting for his daughter not for the government or what he perceives of as the national ideals nevertheless how effortlessly schwarzenegger assumes <hes> this role is impressive but it's not nearly as impressive as the fact that he inhabits and even epitomizes the all american soldier and quintessential action hero as as a foreigner and this non native english speaker. That's perhaps the biggest feat that schwarzenegger makes in his early career with commando now commando as as far as the plot goes schwarzenegger stars as colonel. John matrix is a highly trained military special ops expert who's unit was disbanded and he now lives under a secret grid identities in retirement matrix spends his days as a single father taking care of his spirited young daughter jenny played by eliza milano. He's promised to jenny he that he would not go out on any more special missions. However john's hand ends up getting forrest. Jenny is abducted by this displaced south american dictator played by dan had idea of this banana republic named valle verde who wants his old gig back the dictator plans to use jenny for ransom so that he can get john to put out an assassination nation on the current leader velvety now thinking that jenny is going to get killed even if he fulfills these demands matrix sets about instead dismantling the small armie the dictator has around him with the help of this airline attendant that he encounters named cindy played by radon chong on the hope that he can rescue his daughter before she ends up getting killed the by the dictator or one of his henchmen. Now the idea for commando really started a long time before it was actually made into a movie would stay stagnant for years in so called development hell jeff lobe or joseph loeb as he sometimes is credited he would later make his claim to fame writing comic books most famously but before that he was doing screenplays he wrote the original screenplay with his collaborative partner at that time matthew weisman about this former military black ops commando who had trouble double escaping his past once their screenplay was complete lobe in wiseman had the notion that would be a starring vehicle for a personal friend of theirs at that time kiss guitar god gene gene simmons. They wanted to portray their main character. As this former israeli soldier who escapes his violent past escaping to the united states only to find that his deadly lee skills that he thought he had retired for good with ended up having to come into play when his wife and daughter would end up getting kidnapped the bad guys were going to force him onto a plane to complete cletus mission for them but then he gets off the plane without their knowledge and then he says his watch with countdown when the plane was slated to be landing knowing had until that moment to get his revenge or his wife and child would die for sure now gene simmons ended up expressing disinterest in actually pursuing this so logan weisman ended up retooling that script and they they had nick nolte in mind to star if he would accept they changed the israeli ex-soldier to this out of shape and out of practice former commando from the united states aides who was coming back from this prolonged. Stay in the middle east now. The new twentieth century fox chairman at that time in one thousand nine hundred eighty four ish barry diller miller his first order of business was to try to secure a starring vehicle for arnold schwarzenegger that could be made for relatively cheap about ten or twelve million dollars. He felt that schwarzenegger occur was ripe for this leap from stardom to superstardom. If he had the right film the right projects after looking through seemingly countless scripts dillard determined that commando would be the best option if the script were better tailored instead of to nick nolte but to schwarzenegger strengths as an actor in personality little bit akin to the way that he would handle blaxploitation exploitation films for jim brown he did in the nineteen seventies diller would attach mark l lester to direct he had experienced making exploitation flicks in this vein lester was just coming off of the hit fire-starter to direct after producer joel silver gave the script to stephen e desouza now desouza they had worked for silver on the screenplay to forty eight hours. They wanted to do this complete overhaul to give a less earthy and less serious tone to the script that logan urban weisman had done they wanted to shoe the reluctance to commit violence to have the main character actually killing unarmed baddies just because then they wanted to provide more opportunity ready for self aware action genre parody larger than life personality the gloriously jacked up action that would end up resulting in commando additional revisions would end up punching up more of that script with the help of screenwriters like larry gross in richard tuggle but many of the tongue in cheek quips that you find the more memorable ones anyway were improvised during the shoot arnold schwarzenegger has a big sense of humor he would frequently joke around with the cast and crew and they would end up throwing outlines that he would say and he would try them out and they would end up picking the one that they liked best lester envisioned the film like an old james bond movie where sean connery would riley pun after performing kill so many of the punch align came up on the spot and they ended up using that to kinda lighten the deadliness. I guess a little bit of comic relief. During this very high kill count now the the new angle taken by the screenplay pleased schwarzenegger quite a bit. He felt that this could be the one that could break him out of the mold of the sparse dialogue parts like conan or the terminator mediator. He didn't have to exist in the past or in the future. It showed him as a modern man with a daughter in home a normal guy he envisioned himself taking roles that john wayne play and then this was one of them for good reason the credited screenwriter stephanie desouza claims that a lot of the inspiration for commando came from the tough but jokey tone of john ford's classic western called the searchers as well as some plot and character elements that he took from the bogart film the film noir from one thousand nine hundred thousand nine called tokyo joe after some studio executives at fox balked at schwarzenegger being cast as an american soldier. They suggested that they find way to shoot the film without actually having him talk at all desouza ended up working diligently with schwarzenegger over the dialogue in the film they wanted to change lines in the dialogue ella to minimize the instances where his thick austrian accent would become too obvious now arne shows that he has a screen presence here to be a major player in the the action movie genre but that alone is not going to carry a film from awful two good although a few of the stunts are nifty many performed by schwarzenegger himself because he thought that a stunt stunt man with his build just could not be found so had a nasty self-inflicted knife gash on his hand that required a trip to the hospital to get stitches. It was a modest us budget film but it would require a lot of location shooting so a lot of it had to be done not far from home in central and southern california and places like san simeon or santa barbara. Which is where i'm from <hes> catalina island in los angeles fans of the films of the nineteen eighties are also going to recognize a familiar at location in the compound of the would be president of valve already. This was the same locale. The one that was owned by harold lloyd way back in the day. It was the same locale the mansion abode of the big bad victor maitland in beverly hills cop. Even so the shoot was brisk. It started in late april. One thousand nine hundred five ended up in theaters in early october so they really cheering. This went out very quickly. The casting of radon chong as has schwarzenegger's comic relief sidekick that tends to yield lesser results here. She doesn't quite have the comic timing of her counterpart. Even though she's a little bit more in tune with with comedy she had beat out the likes of sharon stone and brigitte nielsen brigitte nielsen started with schwarzenegger with red sonja that same year chong beat them out for the part primarily primarily because unlike the other hot actresses of the time they felt based on her audition and the fact that she was the daughter of comedian tommy chong of cheech and chong fame that she could be sexy and funny at the same time so she would really fit that role parole serves mostly here to try to make comments about the ridiculousness of the aggressive hyper masculinity. Ask you'll entity that she's witnessing between these ronnie men that she encounters and through the extreme contrivances involved in keeping her as part of the plot especially as she becomes was part of the action. That's even more ridiculous. This is a film that you have to embrace that is going to not try to make a lot of santa's just trying to really up the entertainment with actor in humor and action the role of the deposed dictator. That's a particularly awful one. I feel for dan haditha his bad spanish accent his vote hand ap's the cheese factor to the point where he can scarcely be taken seriously mark l lester the director was uncomfortable with that as well he originally intended to cast ouled julia in the part producer joel silver though insisted odile is more than up to the task in the end lester would be content with results though and he proclaims commando as his his personal favourite film that he's made in his career now commando would mark joel silver's first film production for twentieth century fox that would prove to be a lucrative collaboration ration- over the years he would go on to produce the aforementioned predator he produced die hard after this in addition to going after schwarzenegger as his hero silver would also also insist on spotlighting the use of weaponries especially new weaponry usually not seen on film before as part of this appealing visual aesthetic that he wanted commando to espouse. He emphasized a wide variety of instruments of death to almost absurdly pornographic proportions and had been a comedy. I guess all could be forgiven but it's funniest commando so is for the duration a lotta the last come without intention in addition to the lack of genuine lasts from radon chong as the comic relief sidekick there apparently really was not much chemistry between her and arnie as love interests either that was intended but it didn't come to fruition they reportedly were going to have this love scene aboard an airplane and as the headed to the private island run by the deposed dictator but in staging it they realized not only was it bad timing for the story but when they tried to go through this it lacks so much sizzle. It was eventually nixed now. Even if arnold schwarzenegger is not a gifted actor. He's always very fun to watch especially in the way that he can rise is above the schlock to give very good physical and comic performance. It allows the audience to feel a sense of fun right along with him. When schwarzenegger is off the screen however interest interest wanes considerably and unfortunately the cuts back to the bad guys layer come a little too frequently for the momentum to not sputter on occasion even when when arnold is in front of the camera he's not really given a lot of a script to work with action scenes mostly consists of finding new ways for him to dispatch mostly cardboard henchmen until the predictable conclusion pits him with his dictator and matrixes former comrade who apparently has an ax to grind and something to prove about being the best soul during the world that character is named bennett and he's played by vernon wells now in commando schwarzenegger shows a lighter more humorous side than he had shown before that caricature pitcher that spins into an overriding persona it seems to match his own natural personality best and it would become the template for a lot of other schwarzenegger films to build around from here on out mark lester and the team seemed to make a concerted effort to get arnold shirtless whenever possible they show him chopping wood or carrying giant logs. I really ups deterioration factor glimpsing this adana slight physique in its full and oil up glory now after originally being turned down after auditioning additioning for the role that vernon wells he impressed joel silver with a psycho performance in another film he produced earlier that year called weird science. Wells proves to be very fun foil for schwarzenegger. He chews up just as much scenery in his villainy. With the kind of off the charts zany some would say homo erotic undertones that he gave to his character in his prior famous performance as well as in mad max two the road warrior. Well says that any gay subtext that he gives to bennett was completely completely unintentional even mark l lester also disregards this look at that film as well but a lot of fans refer to the character as freddie mercury on steroids his character character seems to have quite a bit of respect for john matrix and his prowess for combat to the point where it does actually come across kind of like a sexual need to prove his manhood once they actually get that into each other's presence so certainly that homo erotic subtext can easily be read into this film and feel justified now vernon wells at this time he was a little bit portly and he was flown in from australia at the kind of at the last moment after the original cast wings hauser was fired by mark l lester on the first day of shooting because he just didn't seem to click dick as this maniacal counterbalance to arnold's larger than life portrayal of matrix wells would have to wear the this too tight wardrobe it was designed for wings hauser smaller frame and that further didn't complement the pont your physique he was sporting at the time and due to the fact that he seemed like a really nice guy when he came over and he was somewhat holding back when he was rehearsing the scenes schwarzenegger he was initially skeptical that vernon wells could handle this role physically or menacingly really he even reportedly called him a bit of a list to the director thought that they should get somebody else however once they got into this actual scene where they filmed where wells i had to put a knife to arnie's neck his wild-eyed intensity has humorously winking attitude at his performance one arne over and it resulted in that necessary cicero counterbalance they were looking for to schwarzenegger's resolve in fact wells performance in that scene felt so intense to arnold schwarzenegger. That schwarzenegger insisted that any scene involving bennett using a knife would have to be with a plastic prop. He was not trusting to go too far. Wells character infatuation with being the one to take out matrix bricks makes through tango at the end quite a bit of fun to observe even if the tension is not entirely palpable from a storytelling standpoint and despite schwarzenegger's quibbles on wells' houses casting they ended up becoming friends during the shoot and they remained good friends to this day and that kind of extends to alyssa milano as well she was twelve years old at the time she also so found friendship with arnie during the making of commando she even claimed that arnold schwarzenegger helped her with the algebra portion of her homework on occasion during the shoot now <hes> some of the lines that are used in commando seem familiar they they like i said tended to go with things that they knew arnold could say and say with certainty without the austrian accent accent to getting in the way wrong. I'll be back and f you a whole those were three of the lines that he uses in commando that he also delivered delivered in equally monotone fashion in the terminator just a year before now. This was one of the main films made in the one thousand nine hundred realized the potential for playing up its ridiculousness to the max and the makers seemed to relish going far over the top in its camp value to make for an entertaining time during the shoot mark l lester saw how many people john rambo rambo would kill in rambo to you went to the movie theater and saw that he knew he had to top that for arnold he up the kill count for the movie commando so specifically to outdo rambo during the scene where matrix begins to attack the dictator's compound in and kills in this film go into the triple digits stuntman would have to change their appearance because they were going to get killed several times they have to put on fake mustaches or fake hats in just do it all over again because they had more kills and they had actual people to kill the cost of this killing extravaganza did end up putting a huge dent into the budget of commando however to the point where it became too costly to shoot the actual intended ending of the film that ending was going to involve john matrix chasing bennett on speedboats and they end up having this knife fight on the beach of another island to the death. They ended up having to have that final knife fight in a basement instead. Now commando was a very big hit for arne in one thousand nine hundred five. It became the number one movie in the country the first week of its release and the next two weeks of its release three weeks in a row number one in the united states at at the box office all told iraq thirty five million dollars in the united states added another twenty two million dollars internationally all of that under reported budget of about nine to ten million this film that at the time for a long time it was more highly regarded internationally than it had been in the united states especially in russia they would even and do a remake of commando is so popular there in two thousand eight and they put a big russian action star named mikhail chekhov in the main role there in two thousand ten there were rumors mursal surfaced about an attempt to do another hollywood remake. Nothing did materialize however it is. Also a favourite film for movie goers in japan really catapulted alyssa milano. She was kind of a big star. There over the years her popularity in this film and in japan caused one japanese record company company executive to offer milano a five record deal as a seeker even though she was not known for being a senior all records ended up going the equivalent of platinum him in japan. She's very popular in japan and so is this movie now also commando ends with this notion that there would be no return of john matrix as an an action hero stephen still end up writing a screenplay draft for a sequel the following year they had revisions done with the aid of frank darabont and predators. John mckiernan was tagged as a potential director for this follow up the suzanne revealed many many years later that the plot involved john matrix running his own security firm and he was hired by this major corporation to protect their executives and their other assets but he soon discovers that this corporation is not on the up and up they're doing illegal arms arms sales as the actual main source of revenue and he would have to go one man army once again take down not only the corporation but also all of the super macho <music> security guards that he had hired for them and that results in this ending where he has to break into the building that he himself was tasked to make ultra secure in order to save radon chong and alyssa milano characters who are trapped there with the bad guys in the building now some have claimed that many elements of the screenplay would eventually get used as the the script for diehard which was coincidentally directed by john mckiernan and was co written by desouza but desouza still vehemently denies. This is the case he states. That diehard was directly adapted from the roderick thorp novel. Nothing lasts forever that happens to be some coincidences there but he definitely apparently did not retool commando to be diehard despite the fact that a lot of people do still think that he did now getting back to commando from nineteen eighty-five admittedly there's not a lot of interesting plot to follow if you're somebody who likes to follow plots or really get into characters here there finley define their colorful though the many any facets of them are definitely very memorable but commandos appeal. I think still is limited to seeing arnold rack up a high kill count without much need for lengthy explanation explanation. It's not going to be everyone's cup of tea and for the longest time it was not my cup of tea. If you're a fan of arnold schwarzenegger or wantonly violent england and grandiosely preposterous action flicks. I think commando is probably already a favourite film of yours and i have to say it did when me over. I actually enjoyed watching commando for this. Week's review in fact. I watched it twice for the purpose of this review because i was on the fence i was like can i really recommend this film knowing that it is a big dumb action movie well the makers of the film also no it was a big dumb action in fact they set out to make a big action movie when that didn't have any of the pretense of the rambo series. They just really wanted to showcase what arnold schwarzenegger can do and it does deliver. Arnold schwarzenegger is a delight in this film and the absurd proportions of the actual violence manages manages to temper the fact that it is a very bloody and violent movie to the point where you just cannot take it seriously if you embrace it early on you'll have a great time and and i do think that commando is very effective in that way and it was a very influential movie not only in schwarzenegger's career but the fact that you know so many action movies especially through the nineteen nineties ninety s really dug into this kind of action movie filmmaking big and dumb and over the top and that's why a lot of people love those films and you know i have a problem with that most of the time but commando for setting the mold i think should get some credit at the very least now. The director's cut is out there. It does add not a lot. It adds like a minute and a half a little bit over that for additional footage reveals a few things like the reason why matrix is a single father and some of his backstory and why he so keen on spending as much time as he can with his daughter so it does get a little bit more nuance to his character. I don't think it makes the film any better than you would probably think it was even without those elements so i'm gonna give commando three stars out of four stars means. I do think that this is a worthwhile film for those people who like this kind of movie. If you're a huge arnold schwarzenegger fan how could you not like commando it pretty much is arnold schwarzenegger like personified. He would do variations on this character multiple times throughout his career so it's hard to believe that somebody could love arnold schwarzenegger and hey commando. I do think that commando is very very firmly embraced by his fans action movie lovers especially of action movies in the nineteen eighties are going to love this film as well so i do think that it delivers all of the goods kids and some of the bats that you would expect from a big dumb action movie three stars out of four four commandos as far as going to be getting into next week keeping up with commandos yes in films of the nineteen eighties. We're gonna go into a little bit of we had a couple of green beret films number going to get him to delta force here so a little bit more army special ops action with delta force which came out the following year from commando and it stars another big action movie star from the nineteen eighties. I think this is the first one hundred and one films in finally getting to chuck norris film chuck norris lee marvin and many others robert forster are in this film. I'm playing gets hijacked. Delta force sent in to resolve the crisis. That's going to be my review for next week so check out the delta force from nineteen eighty six ford ford next week's review on. You'll stay caught up on that. Thanks everyone for listening. I hope that you enjoyed the review of commando. If you have your own thoughts and commando whether you actually loved the movie even more than the i think i think a lot of people do or actually think the movie sucks a lot more than me. A lot of people do that. Do you write to me you can find my contact information on my website. You can go to quip stood dot net and find all the details tails on that at least in my twitter feed facebook page my instagram all of that is available equity dot net. TWIP s. t. e. r. dot net until next time. Thanks everyone for joining me on this journey around the world in eighties movies.
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Marquez Marquez's here and today I. Have the privilege of Hosting Lester Morales. He is a true consultant in the human capital and employee benefits arena, and currently serves as CEO of next impact. LLC focused on innovation and changing the status quo. Next impact is a full service employee benefits and Human Resources Marketing and consulting company committed to helping other companies grow and add value to their clients before he. He founded next impact. He Co founded in Selah, a benefits administration company focused on helping advisors support their clients with ACA compliance prior to becoming an entrepreneur, lester serve nearly three years as executive vice president and chief growth officer for Willis's human capital practice, one of the largest insurance brokerages in the world in this role Lester lead over two hundred producers consultants in forty plus offices as part of a three, hundred and fifty. Fifty Million Dollar Practice Willis. A single largest practice in North America during a previous eight year stint at Willis Lester, was consistently among the top five consultants nationally between those assignments Lester served as national vice president of sales for Health Stat orlean provider of worksite clinics and disease management services. Leicester's thought later in the benefit space, and I had just the opportunity to connect with them before this and his passion for making healthcare. Healthcare more equitable employers and the employees is palpable He's he's. He's all in and I'm privileged to have them here on the podcast today, Lester, really looking forward to our discussion, they have. We should have nothing to be here -absolutely so lester before we dive into what you guys do at next impact and the quote here on the front of your site. starbucks spends more on healthcare than they do on coffee wow. Right we're going to dive into that and what your you and your team is doing to help. Prevent that or turn it around to something more sustainable. Tell us a little bit about what inspires your work in healthcare. Yeah, yeah, you know most people that end up in the insurance advisory space. While into it's the Mine is I'm doing this on purpose. I have a very stinks. Why unfortunately I have been a product health care insurance employee benefits when I was sixteen years old. My Dad was diagnosed with multiple myeloma for you. Listeners that don't know what that is. That's cute of your bone marrow. So I was sixteen got diagnosed found out San France Limo radiation several years back baffled. That's. Unfortunately ends up being that me. Combat statistics so sixty two's. Depending on which report you live, read out personal bankruptcy puzzle medical reasons while unfortunately we were part of that statistics are my parents had to file bankruptcy? In order to make ends meet the rent in worse yet. It's interesting about that is they've got health insurance? both employer based insurance, but you know we're in an out of pocket mass along as Hand Fifteen, twenty, two thousand a year for family. You know you do that. Do three years in a row. How many families have extra thirty forty fifty thousand dollars sitting? There Bang you. You know when you're trying to send your kid baseball camp. You get on the new pair of Jordan. Then all the thing that wonderful parents which I had you know to water? Parents did Zach I mean down the road of of Yao, interest in and understanding vow health insurance, but it also makes you understand how they're using the system is and and that although you got insurance, although theoretically that insurance is supposed to be there to supporting how it was, it was really more of a hoop jumper, and you know an obstacle alone commerce so. Back, down the field, and then the last part of really what what drives me and my? Why unfortunately I'm a big I'm a big. Momma's boy is most Latin. Men Are. A BIG MOMMA's boy. Unfortunately in two thousand fourteen moms diagnose pancreatic cancer and she passed away August. Eleven thousand seventeen, so man I'll tell you I get up every day fired up to fights for changing because I have seen that you most important. Pete in my life away from cancer the amount of money we spent the amount of confusion. The amount of just uncertainty and Hoots Jeff Junk mail system just makes sense air, and so that's that's what we get. Get up every morning to fight against Mile Lester you for just sharing that first of all, and you know a very personal story, and I you know it's real and I appreciate you being being vulnerable here and sharing this to help us understand your why and what you do in I, agree with you I. I don't think that we should be forced to choose between our life savings in our life, and and the system's broken and we shouldn't have. Have to choose between our company and our employees health and it's it's impossible possible to have both so so talk to us a little bit about what you and next impact. Your Business is doing to add value added to the healthcare ecosystem, and in particular employers. Yeah, so you know having been on the advisory side of the very large level, so you know I worked at willison total of thirteen years, and the reality of that is we advise them the largest? largest companies in the wrong, fair largest and of the firm, the world's and you know I figured back routes, no you to make the biggest impact so my degrees in risk management I started this in college. I have done it my entire career, so I'm thinking all right I need to get to one of the big companies. That's where you make Vegas. Smash and you know I learned very quickly that although a wonderful organization and treated me amazing, you know unfortunately. The best though loser, and the quickest way and success and success being the finals early, making an impact so timed isn't coloring inside the lines and I know you could appreciate that and. The only way collar outside wrong is to make sure you own your own coloring book so that that's what we did. That's the impacts it all came from being able to see what the difference is is when you talk about reimbursement for services and better being provided so. If you think about it. How much does a planes? You're an employer sponsored plan, so you provide healthcare coverage for your employees. How do you know how much that knee surgery Haas and I became fixated on that flesh in asked for having my knee surgery, so I was thirty years old I tore my acl L. Ucla on sneaky five hundred dollar deductible, and if you call to the hospital and ask them how much the cost the value. And became right. Say That on how and why if healthcare typically a the second largest expenditure or an employer is such a big number? How does one not tell you how much it costs? And you start to understand how rates are sets, and the differences between what a hostile takes from Medicare, versus what they're billing at, and it's four six seven eight nine hundred percent difference. And you become flabbergasted so I learned about. The structure and the building of health lands, not using a traditional insurance is stepping outside of the PPO contract and using direct contracting using bundled cash payments, using reference based pricing using some transparent model of reimbursing services so that we can do the one key word that is completely messing in this very opaque industry, which is transparency, yeah, and so and so that that point in time where you had to do your surgery lester. You can find the price and you said this is unacceptable. We need to figure this out now. There's insight that you're able to provide. Your employees, but also the employers that you serve around these health plans that use the direct contracting just the different methodologies that are different than the traditional ways, can you? Can you share some insights with us about what some of those tools are? And then maybe how, how leveraging those tools, and and ways has helped some of your clients. Yeah, so I'll tell you This has been you know three and a half four years now on this on this journey and it definitely the sub segment of the world, but when you start thinking about berry large employers, Walmart Amazon. Car manufactured up in Michigan. They have set up their own arrangements by passing the insurance stopping with local healthcare up by. Is Interesting you start seeing on the news right simply around Christmas. I'm the years that hospital a insurance company be. At yet are ending their four year three year five year. Contract and you start to see them have that. Burger Bowl anger in the news? You know match here back and forth at the. Insurance. Company is trying to not reimburse us in then the insurance companies. Gosh. They bill more than well us not really understand that you start to realize that's. The cheer people, and and I don't mean any disrespect for people say that the system is broken. I tend trying to crack the world's site assessment about broken. It's designed wrong. It's working quite well the way it's designed right, but there is a significant amount of misaligned incentives so when you think about an insurance company insurance company is revenue is what we all call premium. Well you're a public company. What is your job well to grow your revenue? Revenue Equals. Freedom, what's the incentive for an insurance company to lower? Their bringham numbers now expand on that, whereas the ACA and the AMMO are the minimum loss ratio role that now Chaffetz. How much an insurance company CAN MATE! Well I mean again. It's just economics one at one. You're tapped on the percentage of a dollar you can make from an employer based land that based on good claims experience low. How do you make more dollars? Well, the only way to make more dollars linear caps is to charge more so when you realize that you have to get our system, so what we do is use a more transparent model to be able to a house fence against a employ earth sponsored plan where we use Medicare plus we use direct contracting. We use cash paving. We use US all in all this averaging a savings between eighteen and twenty five percents. And when I use the word savings I often joked, say you know I made a nice living redefining the word savings I used to go employer and say while you're renewal came out at fifteen percent, but we got it down to five. We say do ten percent well last that my Jack Saving means you're actually paying less healthcare today than you paid yesterday, and that's truly what it is. We're doing. Our clients actually go backwards and spend less on health care next year than they're doing this year. How we do that is basically to step out of the networking scenario, so we no longer use for the facility base claimed where spending eighty percent of your dollars the. The think about that. Where do you spend the most money and the hospital in the imaging? The big claims, not the doctor's office. Find those things for the hospital type frames show. We make a win. Win Win for the hospital. We try to use a basis point that we understand how much it costs that hospital to run their business so typically Medicare or toss data, which is public data is available to understand that hospital ABC. You know needs to make a dollar in order to make this work, so let's use Medicare as the basis point while they make a dollar off of Medicare, well under a pay. PPL's scenario. They might be making four dollars after the. Quote Unquote this now what we ended up doing? Is offering that hospital. Cheer economic reasons to take a lesser reimbursement. One is speed so on the service provider were partnering with some payments are made within seventy two hours, but less than thirty days typically Jewish a hospital well time value of money would tell us if you can get paid faster. That's more beneficial for the hospital. Themselves the other and this is where the magic happens is a hospital tends to spend. Between thirty and forty cents on the dollar CO lactating dollar. So you think about it. deductibles continue to go up and up and up, but employee salaries don't go up and up and up so the burden that his plays on the employees for that two thousand dollar deductible that five thousand dollar deductible means that when they have that knee surgery. They can't pay that deductible all at once. So, what does that mean that? That fast full now becomes a collection agency the reality of this we have the conversation with the hospital. Say Not only. Will we pay you faster if you are reading this? We're going to waive the deductible co insurance together. You're not going to have to chase at all and were using both cost and quality data. Some make those recommendations than conversations with the employees, so the hospital wins because they get paid faster they. They don't have to chase. The employee wins because they don't have now an out of pocket, deductible or co-insurance anymore, and they have an advocate to help them understand where to go. How shop how to navigate and the employer wins because this is providing a better benefit for their employees while saving them a significant amount of money. So that's time the cliff notes magic of the program. Yeah makes a lot of sense and. And just working directly with the hospitals to to circumvent the traditional system. Are All hospitals willing to do this? So that very great question I would tell you on the surface. Yes, depending on who you talk to at a hospital, known what it means by that in a very easy way of understanding, this is called any hospital today and say I don't have insurance, but I have cash. How much does an MRI? And each hospital has eight cash pay rise. Well Hall back that Same Hospital and ask them. I'm on a five thousand dollar deductible with insert carrier here. How much is an I because I'd like to know how much I'm GONNA out of my pocket, because I might have an Hsa or something and either one. They won't tell you which goes back to that. Otake non Chan. Parents conversation. We had earlier. They, tell you the price difference between the cash pay price, and what they sir called negotiated with insurance company is drastically different. So what that tells you is that hostile recognizes. The various functions of how to finance a service, but not always do they. WanNa, have back question on a mass conversation, or maybe person that's job is to do X. Y. Z, versus the CFO the Oslo versus the person in charge of network thing, so it definitely takes some finesse, but in all cases hostels already today take a variety of forms of reimbursement and are a variety of amounts of those reimbursement or the same service. Now that's Great Lester. Thank you for for for offering some insight there. Did you ever find out how much your knee surgery cost? Oh, I use this I use this example all the time creature. Ninety thousand dollars of bill charges so far Britain's Dan Bill Charges, and I'M GONNA throw. Your Audience Watch that helped me you're really teach. People s near is a mockumentary called our ruins. Everything is on TV. Everything has one why hospitals are so expensive. I suggest that people go out and watch that because it explains the problem perfectly and a very easy way of understanding it. Ruined, everything, why hustlers sense of ninety thousand dollars is the bill charge being insurance company? Allow Wall so that difference is there. Discount was forty five thousand, so let's say there's a fifty discount there well. Medicare reimburses at fifteen, thousand, seven, hundred or something like that. Joke, Medicare reimburses fifty thousand, seven hundred. The allowable amount, so what the insurance company was going to have to pay for that was forty, five thousand so I had a five thousand dollar deductible so I pay five. The insurance falls the or because my employer was self germ, which need to be in order to get creative. They'd force mind for at least forty I pay. What I know now today, and in the plans that we can Straw. Sow Camper Orthopedic Return a Orthopedic Surgery Center that only does as the name suggests orthopedic surgeries will do that bungles professional charges anesthesia, these screws that are now in my knees, altogether were nineteen, thousand, three hundred rose. Oh, in the programs if I would have had the surgery in the programs that I now construct my advocate. My concierge have instructed me that. That did you know and if you're going to that place? That only does orthopedic surgeries that has better results and battered SAS. If you're willing to go there, they're going to waive the deductible counter so I would have saved my five thousand, so let's do that math. Nineteen, thousand, three, hundred plus five, right, nineteen plus five, twenty, four or twenty, four three. Plus the version the employers forty so the plan in that scenario the royal, let's call. It would save fifteen thousand, while allowing supporting and helping their employees gets better health care, and how a five thousand dollar lesser expense, which if your average workforce making forty fifty thousand dollars? We're talking about ten fifteen, sometimes twenty percent of their take home pay. Satan's. -NIFICANT donal. It is. Now. This is Great I. Appreciate You walking us through this and You definitely found out and I'll folks in the show notes for today's podcast. I'll make sure to find the right link for Adam Ruins everything. The real reason hospitals are. Charging you too much or something like that so less. They're united. Connect to get that. Is that. It'll be the best six minutes education that he watched a promise I love it I love it. Lester and there's no doubt there's ways to work outside of the system with a variety of forms of reimbursement to get a win for everyone, the everyone involved and so. Talk to us, about maybe one of the biggest setbacks you've experienced as you've been putting plans together. What the key learning that came from that that has made you guys better and just you know and maybe. Just an innovation that came out of it. I will tell you. My biggest habit is I'll personify that question with I I hired a new guy in the sales and marketing Yo. And I gave him a handful of proposals to review, so he can yeah. The NC and asked question and I wanted to see how he interpreted in so. I'm really confused. We Are Fifteen, twenty, twenty-five, sometimes forty percent less expensive. Then the choice that they made I don't get it. How come everybody's not doing this? And so you know, I would tell you the the number. One reason that healthcare isn't making more progress is the status quo. Mid is just so significantly easier to do what it is. We did yesterday and whether that's an insurance advisor who loves to go play golf with their bluecross rapper and I'm not trying to pick on anybody, but it is what it is. Where the status quo was super comfortable I made a significant amount of money being an insurance advisor, and it's a lot easier to do. Do it the old way than it is the new way, but for me once you know something yet. Unknown and file I know right now we are getting people to higher quality lower cost how you're waving their deductibles and back to the conversation we had in the beginning, honoring my why because you know what that does that prevents any other family from having to file bankruptcy because metaphor. She's mad. You know if that's the last breath I take being able to go down that road. It's GonNa. Be a big deal, so I would say. My biggest setback has been you know. I'm a hip hop guy, so there's a term you get high on your own supply. I tend to look at our numbers. Look at our proposals and be like. Why are people buying more of this? I get such a no brainer. And you forget that there's such an emotional by on emotional thing healthcare, and so whether it's the trust in the warm fuzzy. You get that logo that's on the top right corner of your ID card whether it's just the while status while whether it's the ear of. Of the first making the recommendation of all, my gosh never heard this before. If I do something wrong, I might get fired, so there's a whole lot of hesitancy in our motion. That goes into itself I would tell you although the answer to your Washington is not overly innovative from a sophistication of level. It is from an approach Bible Sharon. I would tell you the the the way we turned it around is. By bringing more emotion into the conversation and throwing out types of people which led me to you saw I'm so grateful that that was the case, but it's you know what stop trying to chase. What is not capable? Why don't you just throw out the kinds of people? You're trying to do business with China? Companies that you WANNA work with. You know leaders. You want to be associated with stopped trying to chase the one you don't want you. Just because who there have one hundred offices, and maybe they might start doing more business of me and rather rather cheap to the people that are going to be your your. Wow, you're wildfires. My business goats causing wild plants in the people that you WanNa work with so my innovation, or my learning of this is thrown out to the universe, the things that you're doing and why you're doing it and the people that really believe in that will naturally find their way to you, and and honestly I was listening to the podcast. You're on with J. D.. I heard what you were saying like this guy I got. I reached out in both of you, so that's. Yeah. Yeah, that's great lustre yeah. I appreciate you reaching out when folks you. You're listening to this. You have employees. You have a business. Now is the time if you if you're curious and you you you somewhere deep down inside believe that there's actually a better way because there is. I would encourage you to definitely look into what Lester and his team are doing. Their website is next impact, L L, C dot Com, but let's also show the best way to get in touch with him if you don't explore new options and. and Get out of the system. You're just GONNA continue to pay more money than you have to, and and I would hate to see you do that. Lester your inspiration, and all the things that you're doing is making a huge difference you're you're helping. Other people avoid what you and your family went through, and I admire your work for that So thank you for for what you do. Thank you now. I appreciate the I appreciate the same thing you do, mammy again. That's like people. Out Their mission based and they're in their y. you know need to be working together, so it's just that's just. Absolutely so so Lester, obviously, today is just the tip of the iceberg. Right? I mean there's so much that we can learn, but you know as we focus on learning I always loved to to hear what thought. Leaders like yourself are reading. Can you share a book that you'd recommend to US I can? Tell you I have a severe eighty. A non diagnose is Doesn't, happen you. Book Aren't. All the time, so actually bought a set of headphones water free of so I. Listened to bucks and and podcasts like yours while mindy shower while and swimming. that's pretty buy yes. Oh, the the The cheater that I've been my My my my house lately. A just finished Simon Sinek. Start wait why yes, ads I never read it before I was so passionate about my why, but I literally have redone some of the things in our marketing, and our conversation, and quite honestly have met one on one with every single one of my employees that truly understand that you know they during the interview process. They understood what my why is but I. I really challenged. Understand why they are. Why is and so that? They fired up to do their. He's of the bigger puzzle and that our end clients isn't necessarily the adviser. We might work with the employer. It's the end person accessing healthcare. It's that human lice that we are impacting whether it's saving them money whether it's giving them a second opinion. It's getting their prescription drugs cheaper. Whatever it might be, but that's that's our why that's their. Why and really focus on that and the other one? That was amazing was never split the difference Chris Voss. Yeah, and what? That really top? Is. When you know, you're y. when you think and know your values are now. No, this isn't a price conversation. Where see. Twenty? Twenty five percent off of their second largest PNL expanse and people are like Oh. You do your fee for ten thousand dollars. No is the answer because the value that we're adding in, so that just basically means that client doesn't appreciate that value and at the end of the day you become an entrepreneur. Chew not have to work with people you don't want to. To and it's liberating feeling I'm sure you appreciate the same thing, but after work in corporate America for you know fifteen years eight sixteen years. I gotta tell you being ever. Just make the decision that I don't WanNa work. That guy or Gal is is quite liberating for sure, that's awesome. Now. I totally agree lester and some some great recommendations never split the difference and. and. Also the Simon Sinek book you know the never split the difference you guys have probably heard. It recommended maybe once or twice before hostage negotiator, and some of the really impressive ways to to be able to get a as Leicester mentioned in this this podcast a win win win so that everybody grows, and the pie gets enlarged through the negotiation some outstanding. Outstanding recommendations there my friend, why don't you just leave us with a closing? Thought here and before we part just also give us the best way that the listeners can connect with you and your team to explore some options so like you said the the website is next impacts. LLC impact is my favorite, weren't so it's in everything that I do on my walls. And so next impact LLC is the website. Feel free to check that out, and you actually follow our journey towards transparency I'm very active on link thin, so Lester J Morales. It'll be the The Guy who runs the impact and my email addresses Lester Dot Morales at next impact LLC and My party shot my drop. Mike Mungo whatever you WANNA call. It is a say that I've been saying a lot lately is you can't pay less for healthcare unless you pay less for health gear and it's. It's such an interesting. Kind of. Statement but the reality of it is employers continue to do the same things were saying our buddy. Albert, Einstein says the definition of insanity is continuing to do the same thing expecting different results if it's the quote that you said in the beginning about Howard Shelton starbucks and They spend more on healthcare I really won't encourage your listeners, their employer's or anybody that has influenced over earning lawyer. Look at your health care spend. It is going to be number two typically right behind employee salaries when you talk about your human capital cost employees, La salaries less plus your your is fast. You spend more than any other thing while people don't want to take any pain decreases so the next thing that you can actually control and yes, and tell you. Healthcare is a controllable cost we. The industry had screwed your mind thinking that. That you can't control this new one hundred percent hand so it. It's only earns shell. People think about health care the same way they think about every other consumer purchase that there's out there we shop. We research. We ask questions. We drive three hours to say free thousand dollars on a car, but the thought process of maybe going from this city that city for the best surgeon to do. My hip replacement seem asinine a week kidding, so you know again, did you? Parents that have been through the ringer and healthcare I would've loved these type of plans. Plans where they would have your look outside of the information that we are receiving and one geography and really expand that reach, so I would say you can't pay less for healthcare unless you pay last for healthcare. Be Change, because if not unfortunately you know, I. Don't know what solution as and I'm not going to get into politics, but at the end of the day I would rather create the change with tools that we have rather than give my healthcare up to to somebody else to decide so man I really appreciate this time I'm so glad you. You were on that podcast and black. I was listening to it and I'm glad you return my email, so I'm super grateful for for you being the innovator and the noise maker that you are as well now. I, appreciate it Lester and folks again. You know the call. The action is is check. Check out the the opportunity that you could potentially have. You don't lose anything by EXPLORING NEXT IMPACT LLC dot. com for all of the show notes and full transcript of our discussion with Leicester including the video that I'm really curious about Adam Ruins everything. Go to outcomes, rocket that health and in the search bar type in next impact and you will find it all there. Lester. Thank you so much man. This has been great appreciates buddy have good rest of the day.
Ep. 4: Father Figure
"Last time in the seventies Lester eubanks sat on death row convicted of murdering a fourteen year old girl in less than you then he would give then one day in the span of hours. Lester went from prison. Inmate to wanted man just emboldened him to believe I'll never be caught and he says all you smile what police didn't know was it there. Fugitive fugitive had taken a bus across the country and started from scratch in southern California with a brand new identity. I'm Sunny Halston from ABC ABC News. This is have you seen this man Lester. EUBANKS had a new name and a new home a fishing license as his. Id and ten speed bicycle. As his transportation it took some effort for authorities and our team to retrace his first days of freedom for that we find senior investigative reporter Matthew Mosque and ABC News Investigative Chief Cindy Galley a climbing into a dusty attic in the New Mexico desert. Wow Cindy and I found ourselves rooting around a cavernous averageness warehouse attic in one of the most desolate spots in New Mexico. This is fun it was like a scene. Out of American pickers or antiques roadshow. Go all around US boxes and crates and file cabinets stacked on wooden pallets because it really is they were hunting for evidence left behind from Leicester's life in La Day. With one of the first people to hire lester after he arrived there in one thousand nine hundred seventy four just months after his escape there is a street smart woman with wavy white hair and a big laugh enjoy springer joy moved here decades ago to escape the bustle of La back in the seventies. She was living and working in a section of Los Angeles called Gardena which isn't far from lax. She was a manager at quality. quilters a factory that made mattresses and waterbeds about fifty people built the furniture from scratch on a cement production floor. Joy did the books and the hiring one day. A muscular man in a tank top with no socks And little black slip on shoes sauntered in looking for work it was right in the beginning of the waterbed era and we were going big guns you you had heartbeat. We'd hire you and much work. We run in two shifts. The man said his name was victor. He went by VIC at the time. No one was looking very hard for Leicester Initially Mansfield. Police knew he was headed to the Los. Sandra is home of a relative named K banks. The FBI had searched case house almost immediately but they showed up too soon. Lester was still on a cross country bus an F. B. I.. Agent from that time told me the. La Office was large and busy and without new tips tips. Coming in the case would soon been labeled pending inactive back in Ohio. It seemed everyone forgot about Lester. His case was so inactive. We could find very little record. Have police activity for well over a decade. Hearing nothing some people people in Mansfield assumed he had been caught and was back in jail. James Banks in Ohio Civil Rights Attorney. Who Knew Leicester's father told me and my colleague? Alex Howson Ball that he thought there was an obvious reason. The manhunt was lacklustre. The victim was black. Wasn't thinking confront white that it would have been lost don't you I mean do you think if she had been white Put the question back there. There would be dogs. There would be yeah. They would've never rested. They still out there today but there were police in town who had not forgotten about the middle school girl who was murdered Mary Ellen Diener in the early nineteen ninety s the National Criminal Information Center or crime. Data's a shared around the country was upgrading. Its computers John. R coody a retired Mansfield. Police Detective Remembers the day in Nineteen Ninety three when he was asked to go check and see. If Leicester's escape warrant was still posted. We check the computer to make sure that he was entered a- As a wanted fugitive and he wasn't even entered in the computer as an escaped felon A federal fugitive any type of Crime was that he was one at four in the national law enforcement database therefore suppose he he gets stopped for speeding or for whatever he could give him give the polices real name and when they run him through the computer. He's GonNa come back fine. There's no wants or warrants on our cudi reopened the search for Leicester he began to track back. All the numbers Leicester's father Mos- eubanks was dialing. So if most called a number in San Antonio are Cudi would ask local police. He's to identify the recipient are Cudi would then fax over copies of Leicester's file always making sure to note the distinctive Scar Lester hat on his upper right arm along fleshy slash mos dialed the phone are cooties. Facts would go out to Fort Wayne Indiana Muskogee Oklahoma Vancouver British Columbia in those days are cudi lived at the fax machine. Then he thought of more efficient approach. You know we talked about it. We decided well. Let's do something. Let's let's get hold of America's America's most wanted and and do a segment on him. Enter John Walsh and it seems hard to imagine what less than thirty years ago. The murder of a young girl was a rare crime in this country on September tenth. Nineteen ninety four the intense no nonsense host of the true crime. Show aired a segment on Leicester's case. But what happened. That night shocked the whole town. reenacting the crime and reigniting. The manhunt and the nightmare continues to this day for Mary. Ellen's family this summer and the tips came pouring in. I mean what was the reaction to the show overwhelming the first time. It was on America's most one I think we we ended up over one hundred tips that came in and one of those tips was was very fruitful. It came from a woman in Florida. She knew him she knew him in California. The woman called the tip line to say her ex husband had socialize with Leicester in Los Angeles in the Nineteen Seventies. She was the first first person to tell police. Lester had all this time been living with K.. Banks are Cudi followed up with the women's ex ex husband and he not only confirmed the story but also heard about Leicester's life in La. The man said Lester. Mostly hustled hustled. Making a living playing cards gambling and leaching off women and he remembered lester was using a name. Victor the call was a break a big break and our cudi immediately reached out to the Los Sandulescu police departments fugitive squad. Cindy and I got on the phone with Tim Connor. Who used to run the squad now? He's the police chief Finna town near Dallas. We wanted to record this. If that's okay so we had a record of everything that all right with you. Yeah that's fine to bear with me. Remember it's been over twenty years so chief Connor said L. A. was a popular destination for fugitives It was fairly sizable That we had a lot of people I think that they could come in. A lot of them did Come to a city of millions and just become an anonymous person and and hide you know amongst amongst the millions and many did They were on the run and they knew that it was a place where they could come where you know they could blend in and the the weather that would be nice and and they could They could try their hand in a new place. to avoid capture or avoid Sentencing devoid any number of things joining a manhunt twenty years. After the prisoner had escaped that presented some unique challenges so He we had a sizable inconsiderable headstart. on attempts to locate him and Lester was not a stupid man He knew he knew how to stay low. He knew how to avoid contact. He knew how to not bring attention to himself and And so he was very successful in Los Los Angeles area and I still their investigation quickly began to pick up Leicester's footprints. The detectives made their first contact attacked with K.. Banks she told Police Lester turned up at her front door out of the blue. She remembered the moment he arrived when he moved in close to her whispering his new name. My name is victor. He said my name's Victor Young in Los Angeles. A place people went to reinvent themselves themselves at first for Victor. It wasn't glamorous. Each morning he would ride his ten speed bike to work in Gardena about four miles away. From Kay's House Joy Springer remembers those summers. It was hot in the waterbed factory with no air conditioning and he and the other men were long days with their shirts off when it rain she would give him a lift her Toyota Celica. She she never knew exactly where he lived at his request. She would always drop him at the curb and when he was in the car they would sit quietly with the radio on my recollection. He didn't really say all that much. I don't think He he wore a lot of Cologne. And it will give me a Migraine and give me a headache so it was always like okay. Put the window down. Victor Sir was quiet and blended in at the warehouse. You know he came into work everyday neat clean. He was on time. I mean those things that were important to me. An employee nate clean on time and be there and he was and he was pretty accurate and enable to comprehend pulley orders initially when she saw the America's most wanted episode joy wanted to double check hurled photo albums and she realized something. Because my business one of my business partners she took pictures of everybody everything and he was not in any of them. Not One we would take the whole crew to lunch. Shakey's pizza. He was never in any of the pictures. We would do. A monthly birthday party Pinatas cake. I mean blew me. We we had had a lot of fun. He was never in one of those pictures. Ever Victor never left a mark except when he was filing Shipping Ping forums and doing paperwork then. Victor had an unusual habit. He wrote his name on clipboards. He wrote his name on file. Cabinet drawers file folders. trays in black marker with fancy script. He scrawled his signature on everything. Much later she realized it wasn't idle doodling. He was is practicing his new name name on their. It's those clipboards that took us up into the attic at joy's offices in New Mexico. She was sure they were there. Somewhere somewhere. Back wouldn't ground wooden clipboards now as we searched joy told US lester only spent a year or two at the waterbed factory but he stayed in Los Angeles. Police tracked him to a different job as a hospital custodian a position. He apparently held for years but the hospital has been sold multiple double time since then and records are scarce. Lester also found an apartment during that time in south central a tough part of town that later erupted did into civil unrest in nineteen ninety. Two police chief Tim. Connor said L.. A.'s uneasy racial history and the longstanding distrust. Most of the police all worked in Leicester's favor. It was difficult to get people to want to talk. This is nine hundred ninety four and the city of Los Angeles We had just come off of some really significant unrest in the years prior There were still some tensions in the community and folks. were nervous about cooperating. If there's a common thread to the hunt for Leicester it's that most people around him him were content letting his ugly past stay in the past. It's something we encountered again. And again you could sense this in Leicester's old neighborhood across the street from his apartment at a liquor store. I spoke to a man named Rodney. He's lived in this neighborhood for close to fifty years. I showed him Leicester's photo sky. This guy look familiar. We talked and Rodney told me he didn't recognize Lester. He agreed to hang onto the picture and call me if he heard more and then he added something revealing about the area where Lester had chosen to hide successfully for probably close to twenty years he said I I should stop asking people if they had seen that man word of advice. Don't go anywhere else out now. Nobody wants to talk about that. I'm just being honest. Which Hugo final by perhaps understandably the people in Leicester Social Circle from that time? Those who are still alive are equally garden one of them. Never Jones tried to shoot me off his driveway when I went to see him at his house in Long Beach. Say this once. Sure GonNA walk you to the curb and I'm going to ask absolutely sir another close friend of Leicester's a doo-wop Singer named Pete Odin has passed away but his two adult children both told us they didn't WanNa dredge up the past. Here's one of them. Brian Odin time really having information thing to say that was a long longtime ago. Police did begin to get a picture of Leicester's free-spirited social circle including several friends ends from Ohio. who were trying to break through? In the burgeoning music industry they said Leicester's family ties to the motown singer. Darryl banks would have have helped him move comfortably in these circles one of the early tipsters told police at Leicester now going by the name. Victor even begin hanging out with the durable hall of Fame Music Group Earth Wind and fire and with Maurice. Wait the band's legendary frontman. We were curious about this but if members the ban knew something they weren't talking either. Maurice died a few years ago. His brother Dean wouldn't talk to us his publicists saying simply he did not wish to participate in this story. The we even tried to speak to her dean directly before recent concert in California but his tour manager said he wouldn't come out and see us. He didn't need the distraction. Intriguing details about Leicester's life in Los Angeles trickled into police over the next few years but never quite enough of them. The the best lead they had was banks. The woman Lester stayed with after his escape Kato police that by the time they came knocking. Get her door. In one thousand nine hundred ninety four Leicester had already fled. She said he had become controlling and eventually she made up a story a saying she'd received a call from the FBI so he would leave chief Tim Connor always wondered if she was telling them everything she he knew. I think we got most of what she knew. I don't think we got all of what she knew I he said he believes K.. remained in close. Contact with Leicester's father among others. I think in the end she was far more afraid of him than she was of us. And that if she had ever come to light that she had crossed him although he may have been rolled back into custody and back in in prison where he belongs His father was still alive at the time. I don't WanNA speak ill of the guy except that. I think that he was He was very involved in Leicester's ability to stay a fugitive. And I and I do firmly believe that had K- Hey Crossed the family The she she rightfully feared the retribution. That that probably would have come her way K.. Banks passed away a few years ago. There are old photos of her posted on one of her children. Social the media accounts that show her from the time young her hair done up in sunglasses and a Gogo dress marveling at the L. A. Palm trees and there are more recent photos in the years before she passed with white hair and a yellow cardigan sweater and a grandchild on her lap. Forty years is a long time. The decades can also be measured by the thick layer of dust. I enjoy addict back in New Mexico. A lifetime of relics are packed in boxes. Hundreds of them stretched across a space the size of an airport hangar. In the end our hunt for the clipboards and folders with Vic Young's signature was a a bit like the search for Leicester himself you know he's there. But until you look in the right spot he remains just out of reach the former head of the LAPD fugitive squad. Tim Connor has never quite gotten over it. This guy this guy has been so lucky his entire his entire time he is either been helped or for propped up or provided provided for or coverage for or just been had blind luck for this whole time. It's unbelievable while most of the people who knew Lester. As Victor Young have remained silent. There were people. Police were not able to reach when Tim Connor honor was leading the fugitive squad. The one who may have known lester. The best during this time was a man. He treated like a son when we come back we he joined the US marshals as they try and find the man. Lester raised as his own. Okay so when the New York Times calls you one of the eighth news podcasts. Worth listening to well he does say thank you to go on starts smart we start here the ABC News daily podcast. Take us with you. Listen to us now. Free on apple podcasts. When the US marshals jump started their hunt for Leicester Eubanks two years ago Oh? They focused a good portion of their effort in the last place. They knew he'd been living Los Angeles and while deputy the US marshal. David siler oversaw the manhunt from Ohio. He began speaking almost daily to a deputy in the marshalls south. La Office Craig mcklusky. I met mcklusky at a coffee shop across the street from his office in the Santa Ana federal courthouse us and we sat outside on a patio. Obviously this case has a lot of. There's a lot of California ties where he was known to have fled. After after he took off it as mcklusky interviewed the aging group of friends from Leicester Social Circle. He began to hear about an important figure. In Leicester's life hyphen L. A.. Someone they didn't know a lot about when k banks had welcomed this fugitive into her home in the early Seventies. She was not alone she had a teenage son. Darryl banks junior one woman told mccloskey that while Darryl was technically a cousin he became like a son to Leicester she described being very close to Daryl. I remember him kind of raising him as if he was so. Aw more interviews mcklusky did the more important he felt darryl was to locating lester. He thought there was a chance they had remained in touch. But was there a point where you think that luster may have been sheltered by daryl absolutely. We can't prove that but this is a hunter. It's based on the the handful of interviews. We've done with everybody in that Sir. It's not one person saying yeah. Darrell Lester were closes. Several people say arm so based on that totality. I mean you got you got all these clothes adopted and saying yeah. Darrell Lester Lester there has to be typed on there and the sponsors. Don't go away but of course mcklusky wanted very badly to talk with Darryl at this point Darryl was in his fifties and and had been working for years as an architect in Asia in the summer of two thousand seventeen though he had temporarily returned to Los Angeles for a big new new assignment and it happened he had been staying in a house nearby and so when we first started exploring the neighborhood where he lives trying to setup and do some surveillance. You know everything that you know he would do trying to track somebody down. Um We contacted a few neighbors in the all the neighbors you know they had nice Medicare yard say that curtains on their windows. And then you. Then there's Daryl's house there's foil on the windows. The the the blinds were shut. Everything was locked down You couldn't and see you know through an inch window and the house. I mean it was just. It was just buttoned up and even wondered if it was possible. Lester was there with their so. We were careful in our approach. Because if Lester was in there we weren't just GONNA burn to the ground. Knock on the door and denied entry and then you know then. Boom less has gone gray great so we did. We did a few days of surveillance But it turned out that Darryl had already moved out of that you know gone back to you know so we again and we missed him by. Oh about a week just just like after talking with mcklusky. I began my own effort to speak with Daryl. I found him on social media and in an April. We begin messaging on WHATSAPP. He was in Vietnam designing elaborate public spaces for hotels and casinos. It took months to arrange for an interview but eventually Daryl agreed to one. We had a producer in Vietnam go to his house to help. Facilitate the call. Aw while I was back in the states. I spent a long time talking to him because I wanted to find out whether he could give us real insights into what Lester was like during that period. Maybe he could tell me something that would be the key to finding lester. Are we ready to go. Daryl you good to army all good great so actually maybe even before we start telling me where you are. Where are we where are we reaching you? Maxi in coaching in district. Two as called Tau Din. I wanted to talk with Darryl about Lester but I was also. Curious is to get a sense of his own father the motown singer who separated from his mom and then was shot and killed in nineteen seventy when Darryl junior was just ten in years old and you must be pretty proud of what he accomplished he was even still has quite a strong following. Oh my Gosh it's unbelievable. It's it's amazing. It's actually amazing. Do you listen to his music. I have everything that he's ever done K.. Packed up the Volkswagen and move with her young son to California. Soon after her husband died he was about thirteen years old. When a stranger arrived at the house is big man? That was the one thing that always remember. He was very big bodybuilder type but not overly the excessive but still And he was very calm the way that he came across to me and the way that he always dealt with me was in a very calm manner very controlled very calm very matter of fact back well-spoken and yeah was he a warm person. You know. I'm sure he had his abrupt or aggressive side but with me it was never like that. Darryl told me he I learned Leicester's Astor's real name and identity about two weeks after he arrived. I'm introduced them as family but they can go into an elaborate so then she. She told me she told me what he had done. Who He really was that he was family and she told you what he had done? Like for real what he had done. or or Watered down version. This she told me exactly what he had done. And with imprisoned for and for how long had been there and that he escaped and how he escaped escape. I asked Daryl if he knew anything about how Lester got from Ohio to his mother's house I can't imagine they would have had to been underground as far as I could tell it's like how the hell does somebody do that paranoid constantly. I mean you'd worry about. Could you talk to WHO. They are where they're coming from. WHO's mind is like Ziesel? Wouldn't want to live like that. I can imagine and what was it did did you. How did did he handle all of that? Could you get a sense of how how it weighed on him or if it weighed on him at all you know I think that he was probably used to it in a way because of his self control that he gained. I think through time in prison. I think that that self control them Kinda came over across in in staying free I am also asked Darryl what is life was like during that time and he said Lester was not a monster to him. I knew what type type of person he was supposed to be or portrayed to be but I tend to take people at what I see and not what I'm told or hear I listen of course a year but he saw me as family. He saw me as as a as a as a he saw me as a part of family that he could trust I guess he saw Saami as family that he wanted to be part of an give something to in raising some some type of fundamental foundation of of ethic. Okay maybe because he did what he did did he felt that he needed or wanted to instill something in me to make sure that you know somehow or another indirectly or directly. Yeah I didn't go but you but you think from his standpoint. He felt like he was a father to you that he was trying to play that role for you. You know he wasn't. He never tried to play. Father he tried to play. Mentor would be a better word. Are there things specific things you remember. When he led his hair down was their music? He liked her favorite food or place. A thing to eat or thing to do all of it man Oliver I I mean you know we we would. He would share music. He would share stories. which books even? I didn't read anything that didn't have anything to do. With martial arts or architecture share artistic ideas and things he would share you know just different ways of doing things you would share things with martial arts he would share. They're just things about life in general for me. He was a mentor. He was a teacher. He was philosopher. He was an artist. he was a martial artist. He was a friend and and I mean that's that's what I got out of our entire relationship. Daryl didn't go into the events that prompted Lester to leave but said he exited without warning or fanfare. I don't know what the situation was but I I do know that him and my mom had a conversation about it and there was something that I believe at that time after after a certain amount of time. My mom was no longer willing to have us in that situation and it was amicable and he left and left. I couldn't even tell you I mean I got up. I went to school. School said later in I come home and they. My mom tells me that he's left some stuff that he wanted me to. Have you told my mom to share some uh-huh stuff with me that she did and you know I was cool. It was it was it was not that big a deal because it was expected anyway because I knew what the hell he had done and I. I knew it wasn't going to be long. He can't stay any one place very long so and it was just a matter of time before he would leave anyway so I got and everything he wanted to give out of that relationship. I got as much as I could. And when he was gone I was okay because I remembered what he taught me G. Do you remember some of the things specifically that he left for you. I was just like books in our supplies and just some of the stuff that he had that were were not valuable but but I mean in his situation. It was Valuable to him. Daryl told me that was the last time he or his mom saw or spoke with lester an after he left. That was it or. Do you think there were periods of time or your mom may have heard from him so I never heard of anything. My mom and I were were. I mean my mom was very honest with me. She didn't hide things from me. And that's how she raise me So if he would have contacted her she would have told me. What a known about it Darryl said? He's honest honest as everyone else about how. Lester escaped from the Ohio penitentiary. Unlike well Dan that was Kinda stupid of them to give somebody like that a furlough. Who gives gives it a good conduct good for you? You're in a controlled environment where you're told what to do to do it. How to do it who to do it with and anything else is happening so yeah of course? He's a great guy there. Why would you give somebody like that? Pirlo man what do you think he's going to do. He's GONNA disappear disappear. Oh no he's going to go back to that. What three by six cage? That he is in you break. Who the hell wouldn't do what he did? He figures ears. Lester is probably dead. But if he's still alive he won't ever be caught if you were looking for Leicester so now. What do you think happened to him? Where did he go what did he do? What would be your guess as to what was next for him? They'd it if he's alive. I would be surprised as how I mean. Come on you know. It's like with his with his personality. A in his you know is just physical stature in his he had to end up getting some kind of trouble with somebody somewhere looking for this dude and he's been gone for what forty years and it's like you haven't found him yet. What the hell makes you think you're going to find him? Uh what he said next right before we ended our interview was jarring because it was so unexpected. It's it's a moment that I think perfectly captures the challenge. That law enforcement has faced with those few people close to Leicester over his long lifetime. Time these people have chosen not to focus on the gravity of his crime whether out of fear loyalty or sometimes love and if he was listening to this if he was still alive in the unlikely event and he was listening to this. What would you cam? What would you want to hear you say? Well that's it man. I mean you know it's like wow I just don't believe it but it is. Apparently it's true and I mean. Hey Doc I wouldn't know what to say to be honest with you other than that talk to him right now. I mean you know like I said I'd say hey what's up. How you doing you know probably been hard but I hope it's been okay? Obviously you're still out because they're still contacting me about you so it's like you know dude. The next time Leicester's family tries to keep a united front back and talk to my dad. Never Gonna I have one of the United. I wouldn't bother Nagy Diego. Maybe but there is someone from Leicester's past who wants to help the marshalls and we're about to meet him. Wardrobe to be done we've compiled photos of Leicester eubanks including an age progression sketch showing what the US US marshals believe he may look like today on ABC News Dot com slash. This man you can also find a lot of additional content on the case there. You're and we'll be updating the page as news warrants if
Bonus Episode: Ryan Lester, Digital Transformation for Today
"Your hosts Genie Walters and Adam pork are two of the most recognized and respected names in customer experience and they have dedicated themselves to helping you improve your customer experiences. And now it's time for Adam and Jeannie Adam what is next. We'LL JIMMY IS NEXT SEE X. Next that's right. You know what we are doing and it's GonNa be awesome. We are actually doing a joint keynote at C x next next DOT COM and we have Ryan Lester from log me and here to talk a little bit about what's going on today with digital transformation customer experience and the times we live in and it's such a fascinating interview because one of the things we really Ryan really digs into is understanding right now how much we have to both support not only our customers but the teams that serve our customers and how that's a challenge in so many ways right now. Yeah it's a great discussion. I think we got a lot out of it and I know our listeners will tear so I think we should jump in. What do you think let's do? Bloom are right Ryan. Lester is our guest today. He is senior director of customer experience. Technologies log man and his team own are and he and his team owned the strategic development and implementation for the go to market plan for customer experience and digital engagement offerings across chat bots virtual assistance and workforce optimization products log man. He is passionate about making new technology. Easy and helping any size company unlock the potential of AI and bots prior to his role at log me in Ryan held various sales marketing and product positions at Intel Corporation Cisco Systems and Eaton Corporation Ryan received his bachelor's in mechanical engineering from Villanova University and a Master's in engineering science and an MBA from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology High Ryan. We're so glad to have you on the show with us. Thanks for joining us. Yeah Great Video. Thanks for having me ride so great to have you and you know we're living in such a challenging and interesting times our lives have been up ended personally professionally and one of the things. I want to just start off asking you about is. How does this anxiety in this uncertainty? Inform how we approach customer experience and more pointedly. What role does empathy play? Because it's always played a big role but it seems like it's going to be even having a bigger role now. Yeah I think that's such a great question such a great place to start the conversation from too often. We think about things as technology problems or process problems or people problems and in the end of the day customers. Want to feel like. We're hearing them that we're understanding their pain and that that things are different. You know the way we approach work is different the way we're working different so so much. I think of how we need to start. The conversation is really putting ourselves in the customer's shoes to say. Hey we know things are hard both on your on our in trying to service you and then take it through the lens of the customer. So you know. What are they trying to get done? How do we accomplish that? In this new way we work and then being upfront about the fact that this is hard. It's hard for you. It's hard for us but our ultimate goal is to make things better for you so I couldn't agree more that really taking that approach putting yourself in the customer's shoes and that customer centric approach is really the right way to start the conversation. Well I love that because I think now more than ever. We're all experiencing some of the same things right like we're all working from home now. Met or at least. Many of us are distracted. Were anxious many of us. Have the challenge of kids at home. Who suddenly we're asked to be their teachers and we have to feed three meals a day and keep them safe and keep them from going crazy and so you know as we look at what does it mean to be a customer. I think it's also fair to say let's look at what does it mean to be an employee And so you know considering all of these kind of extra factors that were all dealing with what is our role with really engaging in customers and employees during this time yes so much of the customer experience is really the employee experience we spend so much time thinking about customer journey in our websites and customer buying process but really much of that comes down to how how the employees feeling and and and those interactions between the customer and the employee and one of the challenges to your point is so much has changed access information our policies procedures and so really over indexing on making your employees. Feel like. You're there for them. You're there to help them through this challenging time. You're there to help them prevent from getting sick. You're doing things to help. Make it easier for them to work from home and to deal with having kids afoot are underfoot and so by by making the employees feel like they're supported there that that's going to bleed through and that's GonNa come through to your customers so when a customer comes after waiting hours on hold. The employee isn't equally as exhausted an equally as frustrated and equally as lost Because at the employees lost the customer will never find their way and so I think we need to think about. What are the safety nets? Were putting in place for our employees to really have them feel empowered even in this challenging time with the right information that they're being supported and that there really are frontline and that they're you know mission critical to our business. So then that's the rule approach companies to take when they think about how they're empowering their employees and so let me follow up on something you said there because I like how you said over index on psych really invest in this idea of over supporting your employees at this time and I think a lot of organizations do that through communication through You know filling in the blanks for them but can you share or You know are there any examples right now of? How can we really support our employees in this new world? Beyond just saying beyond just saying we're here for you. Do you have any idea a couple of areas. So it's a one. We're starting to use this word about. Are we talking about being relentlessly helpful and example just in the broader society is like and people say well you know if people get sick? What does it really matter? More people get sick but but the challenge becomes you know we're putting this strain on our on our mission critical people for our societies people in the hospitals nurses doctors and every additional patient. That goes in makes it harder for them. And so the same thing for our customer service organizations. It's if we're not there to help make them successful. The frontline breaks down. Then everything behind it falls apart and so I think what companies need to think about is. It's not so much about every business as usual. And Hey we're just GONNA move people into working from home at a desk but rather how can we reimagined the way? We're helping them to be relentlessly helpful. So that maybe it's information's easier than ever to find or policies are index towards making the employees feel really empowered And that you know we do things like how do we manage their shifts or how to remand the way the engage in? May We start to focus on new channels of engagement. But that what we're doing the employee feels like is really through the Lens of making it easier for them because once again there are frontline there the way that we're going to keep our business running. Keep our customers. Happy Help to deal with all this complexity of change as I think when companies should they can approach this. It's really about. What are the ways we can do that over and over again to be really helpful for our employees which once again will translate to a better customer experience? I love what you said there because it's such a great point because we're hearing so much about okay. What to do with employee engagement what to do as far as customers and there's a lot of SORTA instagram stickers about supporting everyone. Yeah right but as you just pointed out. This is an actual operational challenge. This is a question of scale ability and technology and of course a customer centric city. Employees Interested engagement. That's behind that. But you have to be able to execute and one of the things. I'm curious about is because know bef- before this time period we were all talking about digital transformation now digital transformation has been put in overdrive all the sudden. And it's both you know a imperative for a customer facing a communication and delivery but also for employee engagement and employee experience. So one. We're all coming at this from different levels of maturity so one of the questions I have for you is. Where do you begin? If you're not very mature for its digital transformation. What should you be looking at? I know this is a very sort of broad based question. And everybody's going to be different. But what are we looking at? If you're more mature and how does that scale across a customer and employee experience? Yeah this is an excellent question and one we often get. We've done over the years. This great research with Forrester on a maturity model and there is a very. It has various types of maturity. They actually go across multiple categories. So you can be very mature strategy but maybe not in your people are process or maybe your technology isn't there but one thing we really talk about is I can't see a thing. We even talk about apparent is if you can't take care of yourself you can't take care of anybody else and so one of the things we talk about early on when you're struggling is how do you just start to manage like how you fortify the building. How do you fortify your employees? Where they not? Everyone feels like they're drowning and often becomes down to triaging. So it's Okay. What's most important wiser most important and who's best to handle that problem and I don't want to keep going back to medical examples but it really comes down to this way of as a company. How do you start to fortify the front to say what are the things we can quickly put into place like a support center powered by maybe a? I search capability or a simple. Faq widget we've released a rapid response. Faq It that you can put on your website and start to really address those common questions that you don't want people waiting on hold in our to ask somebody about you know. Can I transfer funds in this environment? Or what happens about if I'm a monthly or weekly on my payment when you already have a new policy that says we're going to let people be late so you think about. What are those things you can put up in front to help people from feeling like they're drowning and that also gives you some breathing room to attack the next problem? And so there's many things you can do as an organization around this digital transformation that's about enabling self service for both the customer and the employees. Tell them be more effective and efficient. And that's really step. One is really managing onslaught so people don't feel like they're all underwater. I like what you said. There are a lot and one of the things I think can happen. Is We use we throw around terms like digital transformation and people think Oh. That's that's not for my company. We're not big enough. We're not prepared enough. We're not You know we don't have enough capital all of these reasons. Why they shouldn't even think about it. But what you're talking about is really problem solving and increasing the ability to do that and the scale of that and so any organization right now could probably brainstorm for twenty minutes on. What are the top ten questions that we're getting from our customers that we know the answer? We just haven't you know made that as accessible as we need to to them. And how can we make that more accessible and if you know hey I or the Faq tool that you talked about any of those things are available? That's one step towards digital transformation that maybe they didn't even think they could do but at this time it's really about solving problems in new and creative ways so I think that's a really good first step for any organization and And it doesn't have to be complicated right like as complicates when you couldn't agree with you more and I think it really goes down to that point of. Let's identify the core problem in the priority of that problem and not even just a priority of the sense of how much work it will be to fix but also does it really matter because I think too often. We get caught up in this way. We've always done it you know. We've always answered. Phone calls are Sa and in these times maintenance things you have to throw out the window to go back to our original point of empathy like what is the customer really trying to do. And what's our fastest way to solve that problem like what's the MVP. As we like to use in the world of software. What's the minimum viable product? That's GonNa earn the minimum viable solution. That's going to get us to once again helping our customers and our employees not feel like they're underwater. I think to some degree. We're talking about the minimum viable of processes and procedures. Because exactly yeah. I'm very curious and I think it would be very imperative for many organizations to really take a look at all the red tape. They have serving their customers at something. Yeah we always talk about it. Of course you hassle-free journeys friction was effortless types of journeys but nail more than ever that type of approach to to your point figuring out what matters and part of that is going to be just making the experience easy. I would think yeah definitely and I think also easy and easy commute a lot of different things you know it may be in the old world easy was you had a very intelligent. You Know Ivy our system and it did a lot of complex routing and while that's still can be valuable for some use cases. Maybe now easy as just you know. Let's have a make it easier to access information or let's make sure that easy is everything's up to date you know in our knowledge base or in our employees facing content. And so I think too it's Easy becomes how is this helping us get to a better outcome faster and in a more iterative way and not always like the bigger broader easy. Because because I think with many things like digital transformation and customer journey mapping and customer friction. It starts to become these big monolithic projects like as an organization were digitally transforming drew. What in reality if these little things the little moments matter and that's really important and certainly something resonates with both of you but just you know when someone comes to a website how are we making it. Relentlessly easy to get that answer to that question so that they're not searching around and they're not having to wait on hold and they're not super frustrated when they finally get to that employee. Who's also overwhelmed overworked? Yeah I I love that and I think a lot of people will walk away with at least inspiration to go. Look at this in a different way which is really important. And you know we're all in this kind of together where where working from home. We have teams working from home for the first time maybe ever. We are managing people differently. Because we're remote and their remote so all these different changes and you know we were kind of joking about having to create a little bunker to make this recording so that you know kids and spouses and bandwidth. All those things coordinate And so if you know just thinking about all the people out there trying new things working differently. What are what's like one or two things that you could share. That is the way to make this most successful for everybody. Do you have any ideas or tips? Yeah couples it's a great point so I think one is thinking about how now people are working and how your customers are ultimately engaging many people are trying to work from home or their hours are shifted or balancing taking care of kids between you know a working spouses so start thinking about is. What's the right way to engage your customer? You know is it on your website. Should you look at New Messaging? Channels things like facebook messenger or WHATSAPP or even chat one. Nice thing about some of the newer ways of engaging is that they're asynchronous so just like how you know you may text a friend or send a note to a friend you know. Expect necessarily response. Immediately they're going to be a lot of things you can do. That can help to reduce the burden and also expand access to your teams so that's a really important critical thing. The other Nice thing about digital is that it doesn't require you to be in a quiet room or in a certain type of environment if you're chatting with someone or messaging with someone. I'm you can do that with screaming. Kids in the background and now now now that's not ideal But but when you think about your front line employees you could say hey look we want you try to be on the phone for three hours and do your best to make it as quiet and as focused as possible but then for the other five hours a year shift you know beyond chat you know being gauged beyond messaging and it gives them at least also some breathing room so they're not feeling like how am I gonNa find eight hours the day where I can have it. Be Quite beyond calls customers. And so there's things you can think about of digital gives us an opportunity to flexible and test and try in ways that maybe traditional call centers would not have let us let us do and then finally what's also really powerful about some of the newer technology like Ai. Is it starts to really wants to help. You identified the next challenge. So we've seen this line the voice space where you know. We'll take recordings of phone calls. We'll debate on them. But that's you know oftentimes costly and takes time and a lot of work so for smaller organizations. They can use things like chat logs or chat bot logs or even the queries. Their employees are asking in their knowledge bases to say. Hey we're all seeing a spike around a question around this policy or a spike in you know this return or or you know the specific area of business process and you can say hey. We're seeing a lot of interaction in this space. Let's go look at what's going on to need update information. Do we need to do training? We need to make that information more accessible so I can also be kind of the Canary to say. Here's what we're seeing the next big challenge and let's as an organization go attack that together. I mean there is so much to think about right now Ryan and we thank you so much was awesome. This was a great insight into what's happening and particularly as the digital frontlines or shifting and moving and getting larger by the day. So we really appreciate your time and please let our audience know where they can find you. Yes so So what we do weekly series called also called CFCs next where we talk a lot of these topics and we're excited about that big event coming up in May so Feel free to register and attend that event and then also you can look find us at both three sixty unlinked din or bowl three sixty on twitter and were once again here to be relentlessly helpful all of you out there to really deal with these challenging times and get through it better Both for your customers and for your employees. I WanNa thank you so much. For the time you have been relentlessly helpful today and we are looking forward to that event as well because Adam and I are both privileged to be a part of that so join us next. We'll make sure all of those links are in our show notes as well. Thanks so much Ryan thank you. Well it's fascinating to think about what happens today and how that will have an impact for tomorrow. I think right now. We Are Living History. And it's it's interesting to think about how much transformation is speeding up. Because of the moment in time that we're in and I thought that was really interesting. How Ryan kind of broke that down for us for sure on one of the really fascinating questions is to what degree is are the things we're talking about permanent how much how much of the restructuring will not go back. How much stuff changing amateurs see exchanging shortly? Short industry's changing for good. And that's going to be really interesting to see a genie. You happen to mention something at the end of our interview and I thought it was something we should talk about for just a minute. And that's the fact that you and I are both speaking at C. X Next Yeah. I'm really excited. The it's going to be cool because one of the things we're going to be digging into and this is just let everyone know this may twelfth and you can go to see X. Next Dot com to register and guess what just obviously is free is the magic word. It is Free F. R. E. But here's the thing we're GONNA be talking actually about these topics. We're doing a cool a whole new format you've never seen before. It's a keynote conversation and we're going to be talking about redefining customer experience in a world. That's redefined which is what we have right now. It's a an a really robust event that you can attend from wherever you are Whatever part of the world you're in they have something for you so please check it out and join us. We'd be we'd love to have you. There are beloved listeners have cracked the customer code. Of course we want you in every audience right atom one hundred percent but this is pretty special because gene. I do not yet to present together often and also it's not just us so we are going to be one part of this event but they have an entire lineup of great CEAC E. X. Content. That will absolutely add value for you and help you navigate all the challenges and things were all facing right now so make sure to go see X. NEXT DOT com. Sign up yes. Well we hope to see you there and of course we are always grateful to see you here as well so thank you so much for listening to crack the customer code. We are a proud member of C. Suite radio so be sure to check out all the great content at C. Suite Radio DOT COM and C. Suite. Tv DOT COM. I'm Jeannie Walters. You can learn more about me. Our journey mapping programs are virtual training speaking all of those good things at experience investigators dot com pork and you can find out about me or virtual became virtual training virtual advisory. At cuss words that stick dot com until next time. Take care of yourself and take care of your customers.
Ep. 2,989: Jones-Lester feud, Cub Swanson, Kevin Lee at 155, more
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We'll be on the sports caster by the way folks it's sports caster dot com forward slash enemy junkie. CHECK US out there. We'll watch along with you guys for. UFC Two forty three but from there it's just well the communist saw Super Hooker and Iaquinta and then after that is just going to be up to those fighters to entertain us because their names aren't really the star power they used to on a pay per view. Now look looked much respect to a guy like to you know he's got the shoe he's going on. He's had his fair share. Cao's but still the guy across from doesn't have that type pop same thing if you look at the card a lot of POPs lacking so I am getting excited and we will talk about UC to forty three on this episode and what we're GonNa do is. We're GONNA a jump around. 'cause there's a lot of news nuggets a lot to cover especially with John Jones arguably the baddest man on the planet so buckle up Junky nation here we go. It's another episode up. The radio show listen. 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I guess it surfaced actually for the general population I had heard it and I just thought oh well that sucks. 'cause I only heard the one version. I heard I heard it through. The version of Frank Leicester's pissed John Jones is the money and that's all I wanNA reveal reveal for now. I you know few other details here and there. Oh yeah wow that sucks for him. You know but of course. I always walk away knowing full that there's always two sides to a story finding this story surface goes and it's been everywhere you know especially on a donkey and that's why it's batting leadoff. John Jones The UFC light heavyweight wait title how to coach named Frank Lester who I guess was part of Jackson and winkle John for many years it was Jackson's Semaine Ounce Jackson's Winkle Joan and so folks remember him from the ultimate fighter he was on one of the seasons of ultimate fighter awhile back that's the same Guy Frank Lester and so he was a coach and apparently he has been coach of John Jones for awhile now as long as well as is I guess a for however long he was active fighter teammate and things have gone sour because according to him the the matchup that he had at this most recent you have see here international fight week which was UFC two forty one if I'm not mistaken that they get all right. Thanks that's who thirty nine amendment thirty nine to thirty nine at that fight card. He says his fee as is one of the coaches agreed upon was twenty thousand dollars he received seven from John Jones therefore he's oh thirteen John Jones well. Let me let me take it like this. So Frank puts it in public input on instagram and a couple things he puts out the numbers which I just revealed and Bantu and those matched by the way what I had heard about a month ago were you with me when we heard that okay and so those numbers matched and the other thing he said goes was it's on site with me and you John Goes does he not realize that John Joe Yeah but it all on meeting was son of a bitches Frank Lester man. It's the street and at Albuquerque who knows what that means man when somebody says something that but me in this day and age H if somebody says that to me I think the worst the absolute worst. Maybe he means you know me John. I'm always I always got a Louisville Ville slugger in my truck or me on the night the knife wielding character McCall the tank or Disea- bite people people in the face I mean what is he like. I'm reading that and I'm like as John. The Magician you know the little guy or which is eh. Dodson or is it. Is it Jones John Jones there another John Jones. Maybe that's kind of a common name. Could there be one with a J. O. H. N. A. New guy that joined the team but it's onsite now get this John who fires back and we will probably finish with the John Jones Story. He fell fire back. If he's pretty pissed at you and let we know what he what he will do to you. You know at some point in or out of the octagon. He just basically backs down says look. I've already alerted the authorities. These will not be threatened this way. If we have to go the legal route we will any puts a little plug We didn't agree to this and ask anybody. I I pay my coaches. Well I take care of my guys far and beyond whatever you hear in the industry and and I'm GonNa take the high road and not talk about your drug problem. which I thought was kind of weird yeah now that stuff that I was just telling the undercover cops stuff or whatever the things we hear on the streets? That's why we're doing the off guard series on the streets the beat now what I heard of what he pays other coaches is an impressive number so far the numbers are driving. Evan and that is a pretty impressive number so I guess I could say that it so far. Everything's matching up then yeah John Jones takes care of the other coaches as well. Why why why play dumb we know that is other coaches are Jackson and Winkle John. Whatever and I'm sure there's Jim vs. Every fighter has a different agreement but we've heard those numbers are are are pretty noise and anyway so he denies and he threatens legal legal action against since the former Jackson wink coach because remember is now a coach. Frank Lester was when we heard this a while back it it it had kinda jarred him a little bit and again. I want to be real careful about how we explain this without revealing too much but as you can see he reveals rules that hey he's expecting a baby has a family and he was counting on that extra thirteen and so it it. I think it it was more about that. Money could have gone far versus. You broke your word but I also read it as you broke your word and no one breaks their word against me and he said it so solid that if I'm just reading it and I'm not the guy that works the beaten. I'm on the streets off guard and all that if I'm just a fan and I read that it'd be like it sounds like Frank Leicester's tongue the truth what I mean you're right. There's two sides to every story so you got a if you don't have all the facts then you just gotTa look at the character of each guy. I don't know much about Frank Lester but he lays everything out pretty well right. I know people who know him and they say nothing but good good things about him. Do you look at John Jones and the things that John Jones has gone through in his career then you kinda go This seems that fall in line rain a little bit and I've heard stories of other fighters that just come up a little short where it's time to square up the coach. Hey how come you're not with that guy anymore. Well you know and then where the end of the stories stories like few thousand short here there so folks quick lassen. Get it in writing. I mean I'm sure you can look someone in the Ango twenty thirteen. Is that whatever number you agree on shake. A hand doesn't appear to be good enough. just get it on paper you know and and that'll be that now yeah that's where. I think Frank Lester polly doesn't have goes. He has it on paper. who knows maybe does but now he seems to be bouncing back nicer thanks because he's already promoting that in six months his own gym and another thing he said that again. If I'm just a fan it looks to me like this guy might he might maybe a player in the game. He said I'm ten times the coach of Mike Winkle because he really came Mike. Mike Winkle just cost him his job there. That's why he's GonNa Start his own thing. It's GonNa take them. Six months. Not already found a home but to me sounds kind of like a go getter and he says I'm ten times the coach. I don't know man. It sounds to me like he's also saying this is. GonNa be the new spot in Albuquerque and remember your holiday homes. Diego Sanchez is John Jones. All fighters are at least home. Intentions are upper thirties. Jones is lower thirties but still been sport for a long time. If there's not a new generation of fighters fighters coming along you just never know what might happen even with a big fame Jim like now. Carlos Condit. He's also rounding third base and headed for home. You know what I mean. A lot of those guys iser closing chap. We mentioned John Dodson again. I gotTA believe same thing. If he hasn't touched third yet he might be already rounding that base. I mean I know they got a plethora fighters but you know what I mean. So who knows it just caught my attention. I'M GONNA keep an eye on that guy. I don't know but I'm GONNA keep an eye on them and just see and who knows maybe we can all circle back to that post and it'll we'll. We'll see when that new you know the new Jim was created and maybe this can be the guy that leads the charge albuquerque in years. What else will you see the way he laid it out and he said like almost like you guys are going to pay you wait and see. I don't think you make a comment like that unless maybe spoken to a few fighters or something like that and they. I said you know what when that Jim's ready going over there with you or so. I mean unless unless Franks just a guy that just says a lot of crazy things but from the people that but I know that know him. They seem pretty normal people so I I don't know like I said go back and look at their characters if you go back and look at John Jones character. You'RE GONNA have have a lot of reading to do right but it's onsite still let's finish with that. It's onsite what what do you what do you think that meant when when I you gotTa love and he's got a kid coming. He's got two kids and a wife and he just bought a new home so i. I don't think he's one of those guys that says hey man. I'll do the time the address that he said you stole from. My family and that's like one thing that I think brings something. Out of people wear normally molly. If something were to happen to you whatever I think maybe cooler heads prevail right if somebody were to. Maybe like shove your mom or your kid or something like that regardless of the tale of the tape. He's just go to battle right. He's even telling them bring security now like okay does he got striking on Jones. I doubt that does does he got wrestling Andrew. I doubt that like this is the number. One contender doesn't have some of those shows understand what he has here other than other than since they trained close together and traveled and everything maybe there was just this one thing that you know how there's that one coach out there. I don't WanNA mentioned his name. I think you mentioned it on the show. Before prior. Maybe dropped hints but you've just said. Don't get on the bad side of that guy. You know what I'm talking about starts with an R kind of I think okay because I think you've heard enough stories of that. Guy's it's not or you've seen 'em. You WanNa keep saying who is or is it a while. I don't want to give the initial but yeah I think I know you're talking about. Yeah okay that guy right so he's just got that that type of maybe like legendary status no man but I don't know I was tripping out on that. I had to read that a few times but there you have it folks. That's just a big drama. That's happening that happened in our sport this week. and of course me being a drama king. I'll start that way but here's something else goes. Cub Swanson says Jujitsu schools declined to train them because he's fighting a Gracie so not this week but a week from Saturday you see on ESPN plus. Oh God don't hold me to this end. He gets nineteen. They're headed to Tampa right and he's fighting krone. Gracie son of the legendary Hickson gracie brother other to the legendary voice gracie chrome Gracie's also Abu Dhabi winner. I think it was two thousand seventeen. He actually wanted title so he's one of the higher level Gracie's high in terms of respected gracie's in in the grappling world along with Haji Gracie and whoever else at the top right now I think I think some of the other ones have actually gone on and just retired but that struck me strange like I I thought we were past okay your case so maybe for one the Gracie's also have their detractors yes but to there's a lot of people like I guess the the family tree in the roots and the branches are that strong like you could be removed and not be a gracie affiliate. You could just be another school but the Gracie name carries that much power like they couldn't believe he couldn't walk into he couldn't walk into Drysdale Drysdale's Robert Drysdale. He couldn't do that. Yeah I mean. I think he could have done that but you know now. He's a family man. I think he just wanted to stay somewhat local but there's not a drysdale or how about a tenth the planet. I Dunno like Eddie probably side of that. You know what I mean yeah sure but again maybe where he lives. Eddie Bravo was was pretty pretty big drive I don't know that that to me seems a little weird. I I guess I kind of get it 'cause if you're an affiliate school and you're told that that there is something about being able to put your name that name on your school so I I kind of get that to a certain extent but there's just so many schools everywhere that I would imagine could have found something. milan-san wouldn't turn him down and turn them down dry. I guess maybe it just occurred to me. He like I think there's more of just a fun story like maybe walked into to local schools and that went down the way it is but cows got a lot of bodies. You know what I mean in and I don't see how this would be that big of a problem or anything. The knowledge has been spread. Thank you GRACIE's. I mean you know what I mean. Maybe it's a school that had particular training partners just would've been easier or something like that. Guy Clever Shana. He's in Huntington beach actually drove by recently when I was in Huntington and I could see that say cubs in placentia and he drives Orange County and they go now. You know I'm with one of the GRACIE's okay. I get that one but like Tiki Jim when you went to Huntington he goes what Tiki GonNa say like. No yeah like that was so bizarre. I wish I could talk to cub man. Just just say how far does this really goes it just the first two and they closed the door and so you had to go past the twenty mile radius of your home while or how bad was this was this the whole state of California California shutdown who knows but incredible man incredible that the Gracie family just Kinda type loyalty yeah. I'm trying to think like. Is there anybody else that can wield that kind of power. You can think of was any other family anything like that no right now. It's pretty strong man who got nothing. The thing is born row but raises a young lion cubs awesome by submission a lot though then he says I'm a he says I'm black but we had known him up until when he reached Brown but he says he's a black veil now but is his his black belt may be just it is not keeping those tools sharp or or what because yeah he has lost by submissions. I mean he's older now. There's been certain fights where yeah when he gets taken down like Frankie Edgar. It's not the big dude no world but he was able to. He had a lot a lot of leverage on him and he kept them down until he got what he wanted. I'm writing with cub on this. I think I think krone is legit and yeah of course if crown takes your back you could be in a in a a Lotta trouble and cub has submitted to some of I mean Ortega's legit to you know there's some guys that are just amazing. Rapper Ricardo Lamas Scott him to write but I think can. It's not just GonNa be juicy defense. It's just take down defense and if he can just throw hand gracie than he'll be okay. it's tough yeah I mean Greece is a high level grappler but he's not a high level fighter and this is a mixed martial arts and comes once as a high level fighter so I guess yeah I mean you gotta go with Cups Jared Cannon aircraft the five. You agree aw at Middleweight Yeah Yeah. I think that's about right yeah. How about that man you dropped from light heavyweight. You go to middleweight along the road you dispatch of Joker Hermansson you know the the fight with Anderson Silva obviously more on the technical side or whatever but he's had some really really nice. wins foreign oh since going down the middle middleweight. What a rejuvenation yeah now. I'm happy from you know like he's one of those as guys wherever you sit down and talk to him. He seems like he would be really good role model but he but he also has that little swag to him that that makes them dangerous and just the way fight and all that. I just wish that I wish a little bit more swag with come out but do the Nice Guy. He's a great guy and he's a great fighter. Yeah yeah actually it's. He's on a three five win streak. The other one was David Branch he is Tim Pretty well and all this has gone down pretty much in the last year but that was a big move man man eight spots. They're heading. Barau wants to go back to one forty five. What is this one of the biggest fall from grace ever remember. This is one guy that about five years ago ago. We're going pound for pounds number one guy he hadn't lost in thirty fights. He was just becoming a legend he was even surpassing his team mate Aldo and now look at him like he's fighting Douglas Silva Deandra as you have sea South Paulo. He moved back to one forty-five but all I'm thinking is kid. You have train wreck man and you've gone off the tracks and God bless you. If you win great you're at one point a champ. You can look back and be proud of that but man I mean. This guy's like not too far behind. BJ EJ PAN in terms of the derailment from how big of a study was yeah. I mean the the one thing that I think about when I think of him is how livid that he must be when he when what happened with T. J. dillashaw happened. He might go because a lot of people go back and point to those fights and go whoa you know. Those dial was pretty brutal. What happened to him and not to blame somebody else for things that have happened in your life but I think it's something you got to look at and go. That's something that that changed his life a lot but you're right the fall from grace. I mean I remember pound for pound that I mean even Dana white the in a way rarely comes out and says those things he he has his guys that he kinda sticks to but I remember him kind of throwing him in the mix as well and to see where he's at now and just trying to figure things out and it's been pretty brutal for that kid while two things when it comes to dillashaw. I think we need to do the right. We need to go back. I think there's been a report were Jeff. Novitsky who representative see when you know with side issues also had those curiosities and he went back and cleared dillashaw of certain fights. I can't remember that one off the top of my head but I know cleared. The cody fights so not to say he of course someone who was willing to cheat now couldn't have cheated then but attending and they don't always get caught wrong point. Is that the what he got what he got a you know the H. G. H. and you know the stuff that he got caught four now that helps with your endurance you do think back. I think it was around five versus an umbrella. Wasn't it yeah so you can you you can maybe point to sign with round four. Excuse me five and four is is the to fight city lost to dillashaw. Yes you can raise an eyebrow but we'd have to go back and make sure to clear that but check this out goes. He was thirty two and one at one point his record. Now is thirty four that means he's gone to in seven. I wasn't joking when I said he's right right behind. BJ Penn in terms of one of those falls from grace. He's lost four in a row. He's lost six of last seven trough horrible horrible yeah so he's he's going. He's going down remember. The last fight was a catchweight because he missed weight or actually the last two versus Andrea e well l. and Luke Sanders and and those are just names that haven't really established themselves. I'll never really cong- cans or anything like that but they're just fighters that we can't go and say oh wow well come on. He lost one hundred Luke Sanders nothing like that. They haven't reached that status yet but he's lost two fighters that just we weren't saying those guys could be all time greats or pound for pound grades or nothing nothing like that but when you compare it you brought the name. BJ Penn is it worse than be deepened because I mean BJ Penn.. I think not not after what I saw with Frank Frankie Edgar with my own eyes here. Mandalay Bay I was like I think browse went out that he's throwing hands in. You know whatever but well. I don't no no I mean you know you're right. I mean this kid missed some way. BJ's got had the problems with the alleged. He didn't pay all TRAE or problems with coaches and then outside the OCTA. Who knows I mean I know I would say. BJ's fall from grace's greater PJ was being talked about as as a gold at one point. I don't think this guy reached that. He was just at that time the number one pound for pound guy which is still very impressive but anyway moving on like John Oliver says Kevin Heavenly he's returning to the lightweight. He just told US goes on off guard. Yeah yeah remember. He was touching his belly. We're staying well to pass them point blank and he was Grub in his belly and I was kind of like you know it would be unprofessional but I wanted to stick my fist and go. I feel your dog. I like my food too but he he's right away coming back to likely this was maybe three weeks ago or something like that. One of our first off guard series and by the way great fighters get Gregor Gillespie at forty four so it's about a month away and again. This is a kid that struggles to make my way to him to sign the dotted line. He was really really have a cut under control. But what do you think of that for Gregor. I think records one of those guys that does something so well that he can probably beat guys that he isn't as good a a as a mixed martial artist artist but I think he can beat him at a lot of guys in his division. Kevin Lee is actually one of those guys. That's a bad match up for him. I think he's about Gregor. He's a bad match up for a lot of people Kevin Lee. I think maybe that one bad match for him for Gregor so I think it's going to be. I actually don't think it's going to be the most exciting fight right but tactically at think it's GonNa keep us on the edge of our seats. Kevin Lean easier if Kevin has addressed cardio. He has a good chance to win this fight because because you're right he's got a wrestling background. He's got strengths is a bigger kid to mission yes but remember. Gregor Gysi wears you down and then eventually elite boom. He steals your soul. You know what I mean so he's working now at Tristar leaders and if they have hopefully address that you're right Kevin Kevin I'm telling you man for about around around the half that guy's an animal and I'm talking about lightweight or welterweight lookout bought after that he's a top fifty guy he goes from being a top five top three guy to being a top-five guy because he just starts to the energy bar really has a dramatic drop off in granted. He's still club. Bitch son will bitch to mess with but I can't wait for that fight. That was really really good news for me to hear because I think well today was too big form. Honestly I think one sixty five it'd be perfect but we're not there yet and I'm tired of hearing that and he said that he kinda just kind of walked away from that. Wh What's interesting to me is when you think about it over there at Tristar Kevin Lena getting some work with Yasser Hobby and then even tyron Woodley is kind of is going to go over there for a little bit not completely still GonNa work with Duke Rufus but he's Kinda gotten a liking over there data camp that maybe he's had a little bit of resurgence after one of the greatest of all time as retired comeback retired come back so I think that's pretty cool for them. Raquel Pennington did find out about the flight. She's she's already. She said she found out after her flight landed did that. The fight was off but it's been rescheduled with holly home because remember the Holly Home Injury is one that will keep her out for too long time she posted stood on twitter and instagram her teasha toys eating cupcakes. I guess she's okay with it still again. Hopefully there's some sort of compensation there 'cause. She did hop on that plane. The Dow is just one of the sad stories I heard few days ago yeah she I mean she's okay with it and that that would that would lead me to believe that something was done because I can't think of a more brutal situation than to find out coming off of a plane that fight off everything that was going into it and all that you have to believe that you've seen the end. She's kind of one of their favorite. So do you ever read a headline and then just tip your proverbial hat and you don't have to read the article that's enough the the headline and the the picture too yeah. I did that recently. I'll get to this story at some point but this as you know recent and all need to read the headline was the headline and I moved on it says why did there until except Kelvin gasoline fight a UFC two forty four the quotas go big or go home solid man. You know what I mean because it does seem crazy he's moving up to middleweight and he's moving up to midway against the killer but remember that moves pays off if you beat if he beats gasol them then he's. I wouldn't say ahead of cost no ways ahead of Kosta and I don't think he's ahead of cannon here but he's in that next group MHM or maybe he can get himself I with Kerr who knows because Canada's gotta wait out cost versus the winner Vitus on your knocks it does but that's huge because the step can can be nine months yeah year sometime. Shout out to a Hanoun. She wrote the article and I plan on going back but it was interesting. How sometimes that can get that can get the job done. right there all right Let's move onto weekend's action. We got a lot to cover their There's a ballot or card to twenty nine and there's also UFC two forty-three time to so. I don't WanNa be too harsh here but again I think they'll towards in the same spot course covered in a solid and after that there's a few fights that I'll watch 'cause. There's some interest like a wad riches. Yamaguchi and I'm a big fan of carrying Melendez but then that's it paramount zone nine pm on October fourth. That's tomorrow Friday out and Pechanga Casino in Temecula really really nice by the way who do you like that one horse cough versus Larkin granddaughters by the way every time I I'm a big Fan and every time I pick Lorenz Larkin. It's just not a good performance. I think he has the style of course cough but I just think Lorenzo hasn't been able to put everything together in a fight on a consistent basis basis so for me. I gotta go Korsakov looking all right. I'M GONNA go with Larkin because speed speed. I'm a big proponent of speed and I know I haven't said that as much lately but I think Larkin has reached the point in his career where he's no longer like a Guy Ed. Hey Man I'm still learning. I'm still getting better. I'm hitting nominee. You've already hit your prime and you might you may not have hit your prime mentally or your preparation ration- or your psyche or whatever but physical will diminish. This is a young man sport so right around now I think he probably looked himself in the mirror and said okay enough enough. I gotTa beat this guy. If I'm going to factor in this welterweight scheme of getting in there was the winner you know with the top dogs of Lima McDonald or whatever it is deep division or that's it. You know what I mean because guess what the young cats the young lions are. GonNa come through and each you alive in. I think Larkin Empire Khorishkov to knows the same but I'm GonNa go with the home. Field advantage. LARK lives right up the street in Riverside. Give me that Guy I don't forget to tune in does on an paramount it's tomorrow it's on Friday and now moving onto Saturday Saturday Saturday's. USC to forty three hundred spend too much time here because a couple of news nuggets are coming in actually was communicating with Jon. Morgan are six. Am To him in Australia is a whole different time so a couple of news nuggets that came in but just to stay on track here. You'll see two forty-three. Have you changed your mind out assigned numbers whitaker not so much Whitaker's mine is one twenty five now out of Sonya's minus one zero five when Dan Tom and I did the previous day was minus one fifteen on each side so whitaker your money's coming in yeah. I like on a Sonya because in every fight like I felt like he wasn't there yet but in every fight he gets better and the leaps and bounds that he grows in between fights pretty big. You know so I think in this fight. I've never been one hundred percent convinced on Robert Whitaker. I just think Robert Whitaker look. I don't think he's a I don't think he's one of the greatest mixed martial artists. I think he's just really tough. He's good enough in every area and he doesn't back down. I think a guy like Israel assign you. Can maybe find those holes. Expose those type of things now. Robert Whitaker wants to become if he wants to use every trick in his bag he can make it'd be make a rough night for Israel signing but like I said those. Those grossly hasn't between fight. I feel like he'll shore things up and Abbas realized onions one me too going with the leg kicks and the pressure. I think sinus pressure is going to get to whitaker and what occurs and fought in eighteen months but there's something to be said for that. That's a long time whereas US artist. Sonya has been striking. I mean he is just if anything. It's been a few months since he fought because he was on. I think six fighting eighteen month run and I I I think when you're when you're just gelling like that as long as you're healthy I mean that fluidity your timing This guy just seems like confident. He's not even afraid of the bright lights or anything. I'm going with that guy. Man Gimme Oughta Sonya. I know that whitaker supposedly might resort to some wrestling finally the worry about someone taking him down but yet he might put that fear to somebody else and you know you wrestled a little bit down in Australia that might come out but Oughta Sung has been he's faced guys that have come from wrestling backgrounds and he's actually been able to handle himself all right so I think he can support that and just stand you know what I mean and not that he hasn't men knocked out. He's been knocked out and kickboxing's been knocked down to number. May and whitaker has that type of power but I still think outside is going to be the one that implements the his game plan and stops whitaker agree all right goes. How about this Hooker Dam hooker minus one sixty five versus Alec was one hundred twenty nine one ally Dan hookers tough but ally went to the smart fighter he gets credit for his game plans for being able to keep things together and if I have acquaintances tune in folks on Saturday for this pay per view. It's the same normal time they'll adjust out in Melbourne Australia to us. It'll be a Sunday affair for them but for US Saturday ten eastern some Pacific and don't forget to catch goes on on sportscaster we will be doing watch along for UFC two forty three now goes. I've been communicating with Jon Morgan because of the time change. I have been asked him just out of curiosity. Are they going to break the record. The records like fifty six fifty thousand or something like that with a holly home and Ronda Rousey. They're going to that same stadium. It's called Marble Stadium and even though they sold sold forty thousand out of the gate. John says there hasn't been any really reports of them. Cracking the forty-five barrier or fifty barrier says he's thinking they'll get to fifty but he still doesn't doesn't feel any certainty as far as like can they really you know get that extra six thousand who knows if there'll be a late push or what what do you think. I know you're not there. But just you know like let's have fun with it yes or no do they break it. I if I'm in their position of him in the US's position and I'm coming close to a record like that and don't not just the streets I don't. I don't know if they count that way right. I think they have to be purchased. How many are in attendance so I would imagine yeah. I think it's in attendance. Indi- is I don't know if that's the case then yeah boys and girls yeah military stuff like that you figure figure out a way to hit the ten dollar ticket right ten dollars. Come on what are you gonNA. Do you GonNa sit at home. You consider bar come in charity. I think is a good way to go but yeah I would imagine in that at if you're in that position to break a record like that yeah you just make it happen yeah so I asked him what you work on. Then this couple stories popped up these get get this. Dana White says he'd be open to John Jones Rosado Sonya remember. I said we WANNA finish with a with a John Jones Story while this is one of the things we're gonNA cover here but Jones Rosado Sonya exciting right to just think about the possible future even though we still got the match ahead of us and observance Jones as a metric ahead of I'm from for for him as well for you. Is it exciting now because for me. It's not it's exciting for. Maybe a year or or two from now but I don't know that Israel Tucson yet like I said the guy is improving every fight but I don't know that that warrants a fight against one of the greatest of of all time I mean it. Kinda reminds me a boxing where floyd mayweather anytime a matchup like Canola Alvarez that guy that guy's he's getting good. Let me get them now before he gets too good. I think it's brilliant on John Jones Part John. Jones is as big as dance partner. Daniel Cormie hasn't been paying attention him at aw aw so he needs a new dance partner. I would shut them down. He's saying pretty last night and that's it. Yeah I think any anything you can get from anyone else. I I think you bite on it. I think John Jones brilliant in doing this but I don't know that Israel to sign is ready for a matchup like that right now all right if you if you don't mind forecasting still how `Bout Habib's Dad Habib's Dad says hey we're open to them McGregor match. If McGregor wants at Moscow is waiting. It irritates me. I mean what I don't understand. Dan Actually before you answer one other thing. Dana White had done an instagram live or something like that and he actually said I love that he actually answered this the way did he says I'm open to GOP versus. He'll be after he fights. Tony so at least were you don't have to sweat that one hardcore fans right. Tony gets his matchup. We get her beaver versus. Tony finally and then he said I'd be open to gop but doesn't it seem like connors almost like the third play for Habib or I guess my question to you would be would you wanna see that before. GPS Sabih know now. I'd rather see DSP the thing the thing with connor what I don't understand is eight doesn't deserve it and being one of the things that could be even his camp have come out and said is like the dude is is just made really really hurtful comments and we don't WanNa keep he building him. You know you're you're basically putting money in his pocket by giving them the type of matchup and I think they've already proved their point in the cage like make them go back and turn his way back up but but to kind of surrender to a match up just because it's in Moscow to me that doesn't seem like you're sticking with the things that you've been same also isn't McGregor pretty much then or New York guy right because if something was going to go down in Europe wasn't he getting his stadium show in in your in in Dublin and that never happened but plus that and he's not calling the shots here and one other thing. I thought McGregor was genius all right. I I know sometimes I don't agree with a lot of the things he does or says or you just like come on you know he's always bullshitting but did you see that tweet where he put out so. When is this interim BMC fi going down again. I thought that was hilarious. It was perfect. He said it almost like I'm so rich and powerful powerful that when is this again. I don't even know the dates of these events. You know I'll watch obviously but when is it against somebody my assistant or you know some some hack out there. Give me a quick reminder of when the interim title is and because he does have the one win and most recent win over one of the participants he kinda can say that almost like you guys are playing in the interim and then you know. I'm the real one here I thought it was I was laughing. It was good. It was funny if you look at the comments after a a couple of guys came at them and I thought that was pretty decent exchange to you but only help can come at them. Oh well but see the problem like like Dustin kind of Cute Aka Madam. What do you say and I miss the he he he was talking about his record. You know he's GonNa fight in forever when he lost offs tool. No that's true what is right like math can't come out of employees and then I think didn't somebody else say that fight was a few new years ago against mayweather and you got trounced or some. I can't remember who said that one where there's been a few all right I mean I'm sure there was some clever replies vise. I thought that was a good balls. Outta signed you and says fuck. The belt real gold is beating a real gold is being whitaker but do you think of that comment. I think it's just kind of unnecessary even even if you believe it yeah. I think there's just not much to gain from it. Dude has anybody ever seen when an NFL NFL team wins the Super Bowl and they play that song you know which one I'm talking about the thunder and then Thune when they're walking up and they're walking up touching the trophy it should be about that manner should be about being the best in the world at what you do at some point. I love of the Yellow Jackets for the NFL the NFL. Does it perfectly somehow these fighters have to realize it all comes down to that the money will oh come with it. You got to figure that out some of you. Maybe that aren't as marketable but concentrate on the gold. Not these silly comments or whatever concentrate on trade on that I'm telling you that's the number one thing you can do in any sport and I wish he would focus more on that because I think he's GonNa win. He's my pick back but I I saw that common yeah. There's just nothing to gain from it. Yeah anyway all right. I think we went in a little. Ot ourselves go we gotta bounce on Outta here. we'll be on the sports caster again folks to forty three this Saturday ten. PM Eastern Seven PM Pacific so please go to www dot sportscaster. I'LL SPELL IT OUT S. P. O. R. T. S. C. A. S. T. TR KNOW ESPN sportscaster dot com forward slash enemy junkie will be doing watch along if you ordered UFC two forty three watch along with us. If you didn't let us be your eyes and ears for the event Saturday ten eastern seven Pacific huge main event Robert Whitaker the undisputed middleweight champion versus Israel Israel out of Sonya the interim middleweight champion so these two cats will be unifying titles and keep it locked on enemy junkie throughout the weekend. Jon Morgan can hathaway are down there for coverage there. Dave Doyle is into Mikula for Bell Tower to twenty nine so again we gotcha covered followers on all our social media fronts for goes and I it's the same at the goes for him at Emi Junkie George for me on twitter and instagram and don't be lazy by Ave not hard to find out of your folks out there and.
Can Restaurants Reopen?
"N., P. R.. About two years ago, Lester Gouveia opened Norma ogies restaurant in Detroit Michigan Serves Carribean Food Lester was inspired by the food. Mom used to cook for him in Trinidad Very simple very basic, but just could take anything and stretch it and just make it so tasty and nothing complicated. Maybe a little complicated. Really Right now. The oxtail goes like crazy I can't stop making enough oxtail, so we we do. What is called Oxtail sliders and is the grazed oxtail. We break off of the bone and that we actually add a chipotle. Mayo and Japodlay slow with a red cabbage. Slow on top of that, and we serve that with my macaroni pie. My guy now having trouble talking because Um salvageable tracking. And? Apparently this applies to a lot of people because two years in Leicester says that Norma Geez was doing well had about ninety seats lots of takeout in a crowded Bar Lester had eleven employees, and then corona virus hit. Lester had to lay off all, but two of those employees in go all take out the takeout businessman well many nights. Lester had more orders than he could fill, but the money just was not the same. He was bringing in less than half of what he used to Lester was able. Able to cut some costs, he deferred rent payments and some loan payments, but a lot of the bills just kept coming. You still have the lights. The gas is still have the water bill from Detroit water. Sewer Department. You still have your food costs all your supplies. Because you still cooking the same menu, so those bills didn't go away. Lester was incredibly relieved last month when Detroit allowed restaurants to open back up, but even so social distancing meant way fewer customers lester went from about ninety seats to forty five. Five and he did hire back a few of the workers he had laid off but Lester. Still not sure what this will mean money-wise after all half the seats means half the money and restaurants operate on really thin margins as it is. This is indicated from planet. Money I'm Cardiff. Murcia and I'm Stacey Vanik Smith for most restaurants. The last four months have been devastating. The majority of restaurants in the US are independently owned and don't have a lot of money stored away for tough times, and it's not just. Just a little guys. Big Chains are struggling to I hop recently filed for bankruptcy long with Wendy's Lapan. Quick to the end, chucky, cheese and soup plantation, and this is really bad news for the whole US economy, because the food services industry employs more than ten million people in the US and a lot of those jobs are not coming back today on the show, the restaurant business now the cities are starting to reopen. Many restaurants are trying to find a way to get customers back in. Get back to business. But in this new reality of social distancing and government regulation, the numbers don't always add up. A Minneapolis business owner's daughter is called publicly for racist anti-black tweets. Fighting to save his business and trying to make amends. He calls on a prominent black Muslim leader for help. He's an Arab, Muslim. Here to. Tell me what to do to hear. What happens next listened to coats which from NPR. Right now restaurants all across the country are trying to figure out ways to comply with social distancing rules and make people feel safe and get as many butts into their seats as they can. A bunch of them have come to Stephanie Robson for Help Stephanie Works at Cornell University's Hotel School, and she spent more than twenty five years, studying restaurants and money looking at things like the number of tables, money spent per customer per minute food expenses. Labor costs basically how to make the money work in one of the toughest businesses around. And Stephanie Says Right now her advice is not always workable. They're calling me to ask you know. Can I help them redesign their restaurant and when I do and they're like we, we can't make that work for us. Financially I feel bad. So by the time you take into account, the fire exiting and the flow of service, and maybe flow to the bathroom, and you take into account social distancing. Down for like four tables. Has. The restaurant industry been through a time? That is this hard. I don't think so This is unlike anything I've ever seen before. Margins are really thin for restaurants. Their costs are high, and every foot of space is precious. Fewer tables just means less money, so Stephanie has worked to find other ways to make the math work restaurants things like fewer items on the menu, which means fewer people in the kitchen, preparing food and less food. That restaurants have to order also paper plates so restaurants don't need dishwashers, a bigger emphasis on alcohol, which is very profitable and things like turning parking lot, sidewalk spaces, and other areas into patios places to put tables. Some restaurants are are doing some cool things with combining limited menu with grocery service. So. Let's say your restaurant. You focus on fresh fish. They have a great supply chain for fresh fish, and so they start selling it as an ingredient that you can buy take home, and along with other things sort of many almost like meal kits that you can take home. Stephanie says she has never seen so much creativity in the restaurant industry, but even still staying open just is not always possible. Seriously took a stroll in her hometown of Ithaca New York to check out restaurant row just after local restaurants had been allowed to reopen, and as she walked down the street. She says this one thought kept going through head I. Know that you're going to edit this out holy. Really. Well, You know here it is July. It's A. We're having beautiful weather up here. Of locals who really enjoy dining out? This is a city that legendarily has more restaurants per capita than New York City. And if those restaurants on restaurant row on a beautiful Friday evening in July can't make the math work. We have a huge huge problem. It's estimated that as many as a quarter of the restaurants in the US will go out of business lester, Gouveia, owner norm ogies in Detroit has been killing himself to stay on the right side of that prediction. He's got a bare bones staff. He isn't taking a salary himself right now, and he watches every expense laundry cleaning everything to try to save money. The joke I make is if if you ever see. Lincoln squinting on a penny. It came through my hands. Because I the crap out of it, you know as best I could sell you just you just pinch the pennies wherever you can just. And the IDA was to keep going to not shut the doors. But there are also new expenses. Extra expenses lesser spent extra money trying to make customers feel comfortable so that they will feel safe in hopefully. Come back, so there's hand sanitizer on every table. There's partitions between bar seats. They also wiped down the credit card machine between every purchase and require everyone to wear masks unless they're seated at a table, but there's just. Just so much lester can do after all the restaurant is an enclosed space, and he's dealing with a very contagious virus recently, not far from Leicester City of Detroit, more than one hundred and seventy cases of covid nineteen were traced back to one local restaurant, and Lester says something like that could destroy his business entirely every day, and every minute crosses my mind. Every day and every minute it crosses my mind. I. Don't know what else I can do. I mean I could close down and go hide in a hole somewhere at home. I don't think that's the right answer I pray. You know I mean. I'm not. Ultra religious or whatever but I do pray. Less restaurant has a patio which is grateful for, but he worries about what's going to happen. When the weather gets colder especially, if the number of corona virus cases in the US continues to rise, and people get skittish about eating out. In spite of everything though Lester says he's been surprised that the support that he's gotten from some of his customers. Loyal regulars that just they just came and supported said we don't want you to close. That was the greatest thing I heard. People coming in Saint, thank you. There was taking me for being here. I'm looking at them, saying no, thank you for giving me business. And they were no. Thank you for being sticking this out. That was the greatest gift I could find. Lester says he is determined to keep Normandy's open and keep pinching pennies until Lincoln's Quinn's and keep serving up his famous oxtail sliders and try to find a way to start paying himself again hopefully soon. This episode of the indicator was produced by Darius Rafi on and Cronin. The indicator is edited by Paddy. Hirsch is a production of NPR. Every business has to figure out what to charge its product and how to keep out competitors. Who does this better than anyone else? Drug dealers on the next episode of Planet Money Summer School. We explained pricing theory with drug kingpin. Summer school new classes every Wednesday listen at a planet money from NPR.
Wednesday, March 18, 2020
"Breaking news tonight the. Us and Canada closing their borders as the corona virus pandemic deepens new shelter in place orders as millions. More Americans are told us staying home the Navy to deploy to hospital ships one to New York City the US toll rising over one hundred thirty deaths cases globally now topping two hundred thousand president trump calling himself a wartime president. The dire predictions from the White House expected dramatic increase in cases in the next four to five days and just in the Senate passing an economic relief. Bill and those checks for American families what we now learn about when they could go out and for how much they might be the Dow nosediving again all the gains during the trump presidency wiped out. Is your money safe? The Crisis Hospital the first hospital in the US dedicated treating corona virus and rising concerns for healthcare workers on the Front Lines. The dramatic new warning for young people still crowding beaches and bars. They may be more at risk than we knew the by. Get CORONA CORONA at the end of the day. I'm not going to want to stop me from party. For growing please. From health officials the online crush has more Americans work and learn at home than ever can the Internet handle it and what you can do to booster speed and the new alert for parents tonight about the corona virus and young children this is NBC nightly news. With Lester Holt. Good evening everyone. We're glad you're here with touchstones of normal life vanishing. Before our eyes the Senate late today approved the first interventions for Americans caught financially flatfooted. By this pandemic it comes as officials warn. The number of infected Americans will soar largely as the pace of testing increases. Hospital ships are now being mobilized to ease the strain in the medical system the military stepping in with critical supplies. But the reality tonight is. This crisis is getting worse and what we do will determine how bad it gets. Let's turn to our team now for the latest. I Miguel Almaguer tonight. The American shutdown perhaps spreading faster than the corona virus today more city centers small businesses in rural schools shuttered as the illness spikes again now reaching every state infecting thousands and killing more than one hundred nationwide in communities big and small the National Guard to point to additional regions as more counties order a shelter in place restricting public gatherings telling families not to leave home and less necessary just trying to condense my outside time as little bit as possible. The governor of New York says no such order is imminent for New York City where the US Ns comfort a floating hospital with one. Thousand Rooms will dock next month and where businesses are being forced to operate differently. No more than fifty percent of the workforce can report for work outside of the home as iconic Detroit automakers like Ford and Chrysler a symbol of American manufacturing. Pull the plug on production the. Us Canadian border is also closing to non-essential traffic even college. Commencement are being canceled. The president urging everyone to stay home. We must sacrifice together because we are all in this together facing a shortage of testing kits in an influx in demand officials. Say those without corona virus symptoms should not be tested in Portland. Oregon clinics are closing temporarily to prepare for an influx of patients. Doctors are worried over the next four to five days. A large spike in cases will be confirmed wasn't like any sickness that have had before thirty one year old. Laura Coke fears. She has the virus but say she can't get tested in Chicago. Couldn't sleep and I was sweating through. T shirts left and right that even now it's difficult for me to walk up stairs without losing my breath amid an ongoing run on supplies at grocery stores. Public schools across the country are handing out free meals to hungry students after closing their doors. The governor in Kansas announce classes are over for the rest of the academic year. California's governor said the Golden State with its six million students follow suit. Justin wilhite says the virus is nothing like the flu. Nothing gets rid of the pain. Nothing gets rid of the symptoms. Everything the authorities are trying to get you to do. I'm living proof of why you need to do them tonight. Our country entering a new era as we all witness the changing face of America in several cities in states across the country the number of confirmed Corona Virus Cases. Actually doubled since last count. That's a scary. Trend will likely continue to see in tonight. Doctors say they are also concerned about the homeless population. Where the virus virus could quickly spread go undetected for some time Lester Armageddon. Thanks and you mentioned that expected spike in the coming days. The Nation's health care system is feeling the stress already healthcare workers desperate for protective gear and those with symptoms anxious to get tested. Here's Tom Costello from the nation's hospitals to the White House today an urgent rush to get ahead of a promised soon Nami of sick patients. New York Governor Andrew. Cuomo says the need is now. This is the number one device that we need the military now rushing medical gear including five million n ninety five masks for civilian use and two million ventilators the HHS national stockpile rolling out in Boston dedicated hospital will now only treat Kobe. Nineteen patients nationwide doctors. Nurses and first responders are short on masked face shields and gowns. It feels like nothing. I have experienced in my twenty five years in Medicine University of New Mexico. Emergency Chair Steve McLaughlin and his family are under home quarantine after he was exposed to a covert patient. We know that if we make a mistake With our personal protection that we could also get sick and that adds a really different level. I think of anxiety to this particular event. Some hospitals even making their own protective shields from trips to home depot. Others reusing protective masks virus can accumulate on those masks Taking them off putting back on is of concern and knowing exactly how to is in fact. Those masks is also concerning tonight. The government reports seven percent of those tested were positive though as testing ramps up. The numbers will also move higher. We will see the number of people diagnosed dramatically increase over the next four to five days but across the country. Long lines for a test or no test at all. South Dakota is temporarily delayed at Atlanta area test site. Our team kept sixty distance. When Cynthia Eunice approach to say she had been turned away has been very frightening. I don't even go to the hospital more. I just lay in the bed and put up with this sort of breath. The Red Cross also issuing an urgent appeal for blood. It's short one hundred thousand units or creating a very very safe environment for people to donate where sanitizing the beds after each donation. We have gloves or taking people's temperatures as a percent at the drive also tonight. The government is allowing doctors to cross state lines to practice in areas where they're needed most and it's pushing pharmaceutical companies to develop therapeutics in the absence of vaccine. Lester heads out to those medical workers. Tom Thank you health. Authorities try to stop the spread of the virus. Say they've got a growing concern. That many young people are still not taking the threat seriously. We said Kerry Sanders to the beach to find out why alarming spring break images from Texas to clearwater beach. Florida today is packed. His ever college students say they see the warnings including to stay out of crowds but if I get corona corona today I'm not GonNa WanNa Stop Me from party for the older people but not for me corona virus now exposing a generational divide with authorities pleading for more young people to social distance. We can't do this without the young people cooperating and just today a new warning there are concerning reports coming out of France and Italy out. Some young people getting seriously ill sobering news with sparking even more outrage over images like these from lung transplant survivor self-centeredness of many who? Oh this is not going to affect me. I'm the younger generation where the healthy ones some spring breakers told us they know they're in the spotlight is the bad rap earned. I mean are we seeing your generation. Ignore what they should be doing. I mean I'd say no because I know our university is completely shut down. Meanwhile just a short distance from the beach those most at risk. You like the idea that we're doing the interview like this with this protection. Yes ninety three year old Shirley. Aker told me when she was young. Her generation would have heeded the warnings. We did when we were younger. What's the difference today? They think they know it all. That's what I think. They think that they're better than the children were years ago. And we just listened. That's why I got to be ninety. Three the wake of extreme criticism late today. The clearwater city commission voted. The beach will close down but not until Monday. Lester Lester carry the battle to get everyone on the same page on this tonight. The Senate passing an aid package to help those impacted by the virus. Granting paid sick leave to hourly workers and expanding unemployment insurance. It's but Wall Street tumbled once again today. Peter Alexander has details tonight president trump casting this crisis as an unprecedented battle. I view it as a In a sense of wartime president. I mean that's what we're fighting. I mean it's it's a very tough situation. It's the invisible enemy that's always the toughest enemy the invisible enemy but we're going to defeat the invisible enemy and more details about one of the ways. He wants to fight it checks to most Americans. The administration calling for two rounds of payments. The I start going out April sixth the second six weeks later. Congress is still negotiating but it remains unclear. How big the checks would be and who gets them? President trump also pushing back on his treasury secretaries private warning to lawmakers that if the Federal Government Does Act Unemployment could skyrocket to twenty percent degree. That's absolute total worst case scenario. But no we don't look at that at all meanwhile tonight. He's brushing off frustrations about how some of the rich and famous are getting tests before others. Howard non-systematic professional athletes getting test while others are waiting in line and can't get them to the well-connected go to the front of the line that you'd have to ask them that question. I mean I read No. I wouldn't say so but perhaps that's been the story of life tonight. The president is also defending calling the corona virus. The Chinese virus despite fierce criticism that the term is racist and stigmatizes Chinese Americans his own. Cdc Director saying it's inappropriate president trump tonight insisting it is not racist but accurate he says because the virus started in China Lesser Right. Peter Alexander at the White House today selloff on Wall Street caused the so-called circuit breakers to trigger essentially halting trading to a seven time. That's happened in two weeks. Some now wondering what is going to happen to our financial system whether they should even consider pulling their money out of banks. Senior business correspondent. Stephanie Rule is here Stephanie. What should we know last year? The markets might be ugly. But that doesn't mean your money in the bank isn't safe. The financial system is stronger now than during the last financial crisis in two thousand and eight whether your savings are at a traditional or an online bank. Just remember if it's insured by the FDIC. Your money is as safe as can be in cities where the virus is more widespread and movements are restricted. It is totally understandable that some people are taking a bit more out of ATM's and that is okay if it makes them feel better to have more cash on hand but that is not really necessary. Lester alright so important. Reassurance are seventy thank you. We'll be back in sixty seconds with what America can learn from. What's happening in Europe right now? Also with so many of us moving work and school online can the Internet handle the surge? Stay with us. Hey everyone it's mainly MSNBC correspondent and host of the new podcast into America and our latest episode NBC National Reporter. Aaron Einhorn hits the Lordstown Ohio one year after General Motors shuttered. The Chevy Cruz plan. Gm is born but there are other economic opportunities coming into the region. So how do people feel about their future? Nineteen ninety seven. There was almost ten thousand members work at General Motors from the summer of two thousand sixteen till when General Motors shuttered. The plant I lost sixty percent of my business search for into America. Wherever you're listening now and subscribe. We just want to be treated fairly like a lot of shooting happening. I don't care what he says. He's not getting my own. Hi everyone is mainly. Msnbc correspondent and host of a new podcast into America featuring the journalist of NBC News. It's a show about politics about policy and about the power. That both have shaping the lives of the American people. The roller coaster is not any easier to stomach now than it was two years ago. Each week we're going into America to tell voters stories. He's doing the best Ken from the country. Because in concert doesn't need that we should do is on my to vote. You can find new episodes of into America and your feet every Thursday to subscribe search into America wherever you're listening right. Now GRA MILESTONE CORONA virus pandemic in Europe Italy devastated by its deadliest day yet while in the UK some dire predictions from experts. Who say Italy's crisis could be a sign of what's to come in the US NBC's Richard Angle is in London in Italy? Tonight infections are spiking the country under lockdown for the past week so it's death toll rise by four hundred seventy five today the biggest one day jump and experts say the. Us may not be far behind the respected Imperial College. London recently released a study that estimated without any action two point two million Americans could die from the virus. A startling report shared with the trump administration. Tonight I spoke with the study's lead scientists Neil Ferguson in isolation with a cough and fever awaiting his own test results. I always literally the swap five minutes ago by two doctors who came to my apartment here dressed in full protective equipment. They came to the door and then swapped me how far behind the United States compared to Italy or other European countries that have seen pretty big outbreaks. We talking days weeks so I think in some areas of the United States probably a week or two behind Italy to the United States. React too slowly. Is there still time to catch up? Is it too late? I think in some areas health system. Some areas of the country health system is going to get very very stressed. How long are you budgeting that? We're going to be dealing with this. Probably until we have a vaccine. We're going to have to stay with some degree of vigilance social distancing closures until there's a vaccine without doubt we going to be living with the virus for a year or eighteen months two years and there will be changes profound changes to size e throughout all that time. Richard Engel NBC News. London lot of the people who put this newscast together tonight are doing it in kitchens and living rooms. It's a story across America. People Learning to operate at work from home but we wondered can the Internet withstand all that traffic. Here's Joe Link Kit. The massive migration online is putting our Internet infrastructure to the test in Seattle. One of the corona virus hotspots internet usage has spiked forty percent in the last week alone. There was some panic mom. Michelle Peterson Juggling. Working from home and her three kids taking online classes from a single laptop all on an ordinary WIFI connection have online resources and things coming from the library and things coming from teachers and now friends all over the country who are in the same boat pushing out. Here's my home school information and it just is overwhelming to ease the burden the FCC is working with companies to open up Wi fi hotspots promising not to cut off any Internet services for individuals and small businesses. If they can't pay the bill and waving late fees or whether it's somebody who's staying home from work teleworking where the student doing homework whether it's a patient who needs to get in touch with his or her provider. That connectivity is going to be really important the days to come in the SEC. Wants to make sure that every American keeps stays connected at the same time major providers say they're preparing to increase capacity if needed. At and T. And comcast the parent company of NBC. Universal say they'll lift data caps so users won't pay overage cock says it will automatically upgrade basic internet packages to a faster speed. If your Internet connection is feeling slow. Be Sure to take the devices that you're not using off of the Wifi and no streaming entertainment or video games when you're trying to get that work or homework done and you can always call your Internet provider to see if they'll up to speed for you Western. Some really good advice there. Thank you Joe. Ling in the middle of the crisis three states. How Democratic primaries Joe Biden sweeping them all Andrea Mitchell with that with corona virus fears looming. Large advisors say Bernie. Sanders is deciding whether to end his campaign. After Joe Biden's swept Florida Arizona and Illinois Tuesday pose showed voters in those states overwhelmingly trusted Biden over sanders to handle a crisis in what could be the last in-person primaries this year Democrats pressing for mail in balloting for the rest of twenty twenty sanders. Clearly annoyed when asked by reporters if he is dropping out rule crisis right. Now I'm trying to do my best to make sure that we don't have an economic meltdown and people don't die was. I'm not going to be busy for tonight. His campaign emailing supporters. No SUGAR COATING IT. Last night did not go the way we wanted and no donor button soliciting contributions. The campaign is no longer running active facebook. Ads Biden is appealing sanders supporters. So let me say especially to the young voters who have been inspired by Senator Sanders. I hear you. I know it's a steak. I know what we have to do. Sanders heading home to Vermont with some advisors wanting him to leave the door open in case things change other saying he has the most leverage now to get policy concessions from Biden and unite against President. Trump. Lester injury thank you next for US tonight. The new corona virus warning about children. All right welcome back joining me. Now is our medical correspondent. Dr John Torres John. We thought that kids were fairly protected from this virus. But I know there's talk about a new study out there suggesting otherwise. What can you tell us? What should parents know Lester? We now know that kids are more vulnerable than we thought they can get seriously sick and they can also transmit the virus. A new study in China looked at two thousand children who are infected with the virus and found half had mild symptoms about forty percent had moderate symptoms and about six percent developed severe illness. Those kids under five were most at risk still if children get the virus. They are less likely than adults to become critically ill but now we know kids are not invincible. This means adults and children must do everything they can to stay healthy including handwashing and social distancing. These are things we all need to do. We continue to learn about this virus. Dr John Thank you. I'm a reminder this special anchor tomorrow and the corona virus and the networks have NBC. That's our broadcast tonight. Thank you for watching. Take care of yourself and each other good. Hey It's Chris. As this week on my podcast wise is happening. I'll be talking with Michael Lewis. Who wrote an amazing book about what it looks like inside the bowels of the federal government in the trump administration particularly those people trying to deal with big systemic risks? 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I'm Roman Mars a while back Gene Gene Atkins heard a funny story from her mother-in-law Caroline that first time I heard it was the only time I heard it. The story took place in their hometown of Hannibal Missouri and involved one of the towns native. Sons Lester Gaba or Gabe our Kabbah however you say his name Lester Gaba. I'M GONNA go. GABBA was was a family friend who had grown up in Hannibal in the early nineteen hundreds and then made a name from self glamorous world of New York fashion and jeans mother-in-law story was about. There's one time when Gaba came back to town. Lester was visiting handball after having become famous and he was returning with Cynthia. Cynthia was Leicester's equally. Glamorous girlfriend a socialite who hailed from Manhattan's upper crust in so jeans mother-in-law's family invited them Over for an afternoon tea. Think a room full of women dressed up Hannibal's high society and given the time and given the importance of the guest and the fact that he was from New York City it would have been seen as an important social event and her mother-in-law law who at the time was still a young girl was given the critical task of providing the guests with snacks which must have felt like the perfect opportunity to meet this Cynthia that everyone everyone was talking about so she carefully took a tray of cookies around the room table table. person the person well then. She offered Cynthia some cookies. Only only it turned out. There was a problem. Cynthia was unresponsive in. There was a good reason for this. WELL CYNTHIA'S IT turns out was a mannequin until that moment jeans mother-in-law had just assumed that Cynthia was a real person but only because all grownups had been treating Cynthia like a real person. Listen and in fact. When they saw her surprise the grownups just laughed at her reaction and then continued acting like nothing was out of the ordinary? Everyone at the party just went along. With the fact act that there was a mannequin present but gave it a spot at the table. Because Cynthia wasn't just any old mannequin from New York. This wasn't even her first social event that's reporter Mitchell Johnson by the time James mother-in-law met her she had already attended balls graced the front pages of magazines and appeared in Hollywood movies. Cynthia was a celebrity a celebrity at the center of one man's life. She was his ticket to fame and eventually the object of his obsession but she was also at the center of a larger story about department stores. There rise there fall and how they forever changed the way we shop before online ads. Before television department stores had one major medium him with which to display their close to the outside world the window the arrival of affordable plate glass in the eighteen hundreds turn storefronts into advertising spaces races and that's at mannequins which had earlier mostly been used for fitting close to the front of the store by the early twentieth century. There was a new career window display designer. What the display designer wants you to do is not just look but to stop? That's the next stage of actually capturing your your desire that Sarah Schneider. She wrote a book on Mannequins in store. Windows called vital mummies and a lot of it is about this exact moment when you're stopped on the St looking into a window in the early nineteen hundreds what you would be looking at was a kaleidoscopic collection of things for you to buy people wanted variety very commonly the The window display was simply like this Cornucopia of products being presented in the windows to show show that the store really did have everything and the idea was the more you could show the more you could entice people to come in because they would see the advantage of being able to shop in one place for everything they needed and in the early twentieth century. If this worked and you walked into one of the big department stores in New York you'd find some of the most ornate eight spaces in the city merchandise everywhere. Wonderful decorations really kind of opulent displays. That's a Lotta shady a historian at the National Museum of American history and she says the interiors of department stores were just like their window displays jam packed with attractions. The stores featured concert halls tea rooms restaurants and fashion shows replete with champagne at one point to help sell a line of winter. Wear Saks saks. Fifth Avenue installed an indoor ski slope growing up in small town. Hannibal Missouri Young Lester. Gaba dreamed of entering the luxurious world of these elite department stores. His father was a shopkeeper and as a boy he spent most of his free time concocting elaborate displays for the shops front window using whatever materials he he had hand one time he painted some old soap boxes black and white and put them in the window to create the appearance of checkered tiles. Anything to give the family business this touch of big city clamor. I know that he and his father had some sort of argument around like about display. And he you know very dramatically Atakli said well I I gathered my things and I left after the fight with his father. Lester Gabba left Hannibal for good editor to become a window display designer but when gab of finally arrived in New York in the early thirties he found that department stores window displays especially the mannequins. At the time. There were two main styles of mannequins. One was a holdover from the nineteenth century. You would still certainly have these uncannily realistic looking figures that looked I would say kind of like a bit dowdy. They were carved out of wax and may eight to be extremely lifelike often with real human hair and eyelashes on the hottest days. They would sometimes melt in the store window. The other main style style of mannequin at the time was more recent invention from the twenty S. These were art deco. Abstract think human figures turned into Modernist Ernest Picasso like shapes when Leicester arrived they would still have been considered very sophisticated and avangard but they didn't necessarily early have like personality. Jetta was part of a new generation of window designers who thought there must be a way to do better his static opinions where that that windows needed a facelift. In the windows in themselves needed personality along with the women who inhabited those windows the mannequins so in nineteen eighteen thirty two gabba wrote into a trade publication. Calling for a revolution in mannequin design. In the article he argued. That mannequins should embody an ideal cavero. Put Joan Crawford in store case and even husbands will WANNA go window shopping so he. He's trying to find that balance. Between how do you make the mannequin. Look realistic enough to be relatable and how do you make her embodiment of the figure that women wish. They were to make her desirable able. So when Gaba was commissioned by saks fifth avenue and to create a new line of window displays he saw it as an opportunity to make his perfect mannequin and because he wanted it to embody this kind of causal ideal he decided to model his mannequins off. A group of people who were idolized in real life? New York society within socialites. Deborah began to seek out socialites. Imagine the daughter of steel magnate then perhaps a banking heiress and had them pose for him in his studio one by one they sat for gala and by hand he sculpted a life size version of each each woman out of clay. The clay figure to make a mold. And then use the mold to make a mannequin. When he was finished he called his new line of Mannequins? Gabar Gabar girls girls in quite look like mannequins do today. They were made out of a heavy plaster material instead of plastic and they still had distinct facial features including eyes and lips that were painted on but they were no longer the hyper realistic wax figures. That had come before four instead the adjust enough detail to give each one its own personality. One or two had some freckles. One had a beauty mark so there were ways in which the inanimate woman would communicate part of her own self. But out of all the girls Lester began to fix a on one. In particular you're a mannequin. who he would come to believe? With different. From the others a mannequin. He simply called Cynthia. We know virtually nothing thing about the real life. Person Gabby used as a model for Cynthia except possibly a name Cynthia Wells. We don't even know how she came to model for him. Or uh which of her actual features were used for the final mold in which he just invented but once Gabba saw the result he was was just totally astounded runaway. Lester could see that Cynthia the mannequin had leary. Particular look see was quite slender. Very light colored peach skin long hair in a wig very faint angular draw line very small pointed slightly upturned nose knows but it was more than just her physical features it was how they all added up into a certain kind of attitude. It was this wonderful combination nation of like New York snobbery and total like quiet humility. That made her appear very inviting and very sweet but also Like she had a lot of secrets or describe it beyond that but the gays could kind of cut. Through you Cynthia's persona was perched I ever so delicately between warm intimacy and cool distance she was the embodiment of Gava's long sought after ideal. And that's when when Lester Gaba came up with an even more ambitious plan it would be a marketing scheme involving Cynthia to help promote his new line one that would require him to turn his own life into a kind of never ending display. He decided to get a Cynthia built for himself for his home and for his own life. Lester Gaba began living with Cynthia. The man again full-time in by living with Cynthia. I mean living with Cynthia Cynthia. Visitors to Leicester's apartment would arrive to discover cynthia sitting on a couch. Perhaps deeply engaged in a book or listening to a record occurred like a real person so he lived with Cynthia for awhile and when he had friends over friends would remark about Cynthia and it somehow came to him to start to take Cynthia out with him socially to treat her as his date at social occasions lesser. GABBA began and to be seen out on the town with Cynthia when he arrived at a location he would set a torso and limbs into various believable poses. Just like a window display. Only not in a window sitting bars sitting in theaters Pretending that she had some sort of opinion that she wanted to share and so he would simply explain the reason. She's not saying anything that she has learned us. But that's not even the strangest part because in everyplace replace Lester appeared with her. Cynthia was a hit. People just wanted to be around. Her increasingly both friends and strangers started playing along talking to Cynthia telling her the latest gossip laughing at an imaginary joke in soon word began to spread. You know this is Lester Gabba. He has a new partner in town and she is inanimate but she is beautiful. Cynthia started getting invited to all the most most exclusive parties and showing up in the society papers city tabloids began reporting on her every move and it wasn't long before other people in the fashion world. Oh capitalized on her. Growing fame It was a really great way to communicate fashion trends so lots of designers and lots of display directors. Actors really thought if I could get Cynthia in the latest lily dash a suit and smart little hat. I will get better sales. Various businesses says began sending Cynthia free things. She received free dresses from Saks. Diamonds from Tiffany's tickets to the Metropolitan Opera and when she showed up been tabloids. She was wearing designer clothes by the end of the thirties. Cynthia had become wildly famous in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight at her peak. She she was featured in a Hollywood movie called artists and models abroad. It's a musical starring Jack. Benny in one of the numbers. All the characters are dancing in a department store and there in the background. If Cynthia Lester Gaba is a harebrained scheme had worked gab girl mannequins could now be found in all the big big department stores and Cynthia was a household name. Although there was one appearance by Cynthia which pulled back the curtain on Leicester's act just a little bit. It's in a life magazine. Article From Nineteen thirty seven. The article is full of images of Cynthia's busy day sitting next to Leicester reading her Fan Mail in writing on top of a double decker tour. Bus in Manhattan but then try the end of the peace. There's this one photo and it's quite arresting. It's a picture of of A series of black body bags Ange. We're told in the caption that it contains hearts of Cynthia and it's where she like goes goes to sleep at night so it's like you know. There's this morbid aspect to this that when it's time for her to perform again out in public lick Lester. Her puppet master can just take all of her parts out and reassemble her. And she's ready to perform again. Even the public along with the GAG Galvez contemporaries always wondered whether his dedication to his puppet hinted at motivations beyond beyond publicity for starters. It was clear that Lester loved the status. That came with Cynthia. He could often be seen about town with Broadway stars clothing in designers in jewelers like Harry Winston. It was also around this time that he became best friends with the famous stage and film. Director Vincent Minnelli Anneli later the father of Liza Minnelli and the husband of Judy Garland Gabba. Didn't need to play around with a window display anymore. To imagine living seemed like a socialite. He was socialite now as long as he kept Cynthia on his arm but people also wondered if Cynthia was Leicester's way of hiding another part of his life in plain sight especially when they began to suspect that Gabon's friendship with Vincent Minnelli had it developed into something more. There was mentioned that they would show up at parties together. There was also rumors that they showed up at a party wearing on a bit of rouge. Luge Minnelli's family has denied the rumors. But several Manelli biographers insist they were true that laster in Vincent we're lovers and many people saw Cynthia as Leicester's way of diverting attention from the relationship like Cynthia was basically the epitome of a beard. A distraction but when put in a larger context it becomes clear. Cynthia was never just a beard. Or even just a way for Gaba to live out fantasy by reflecting a new ideal will she also helped lead a fundamental change in the way clothes were about to be marketed because in the middle decades of the twentieth century. It wasn't just the mannequins that we're changing. It was the window displays themselves. Here's Sara again. Display was moving from products being all kind of glommed together to more artistic unselective kind of presentation answered. All of that was changing in Gabon's time to in the early window displays from the eighteen. Hundreds it was still all about the products but then store displays started becoming less about selling specific things instead. What you're selling is the aura around the product act by the nineteen sixties? Sarah says this kind of marketing had fully taken over. But you can see the beginnings of it in the thirties when Leicester Gabba in his contemporaries were working. They you stage lighting elaborate props and decorations. It was an art all aimed at creating this aura of desirability ready around the store and its products in mannequins played a key part American like Cynthia both label and idealized in other words a character was perfectly suited to this new storytelling task particularly in the depths of the Great Depression. She represents a chance wants to live a life that is free of wont. She doesn't have to be anything but beautiful. She has a man doting on her and she's able to wear finest garments so in a way. She's quite `rational off for women of the thirties. who were in many cases living lives? That were nothing like this. It's Cynthia last year was able to tell a story story so big that it left the store entirely and entered real life the whole world had become his window allowing him to live inside a fantasy of wealth south of celebrity of access over which he had total control but then at the height of Cynthia's fame the US entered World War. Two Luster was conscripted and he had to leave Cynthia behind. No one is entirely sure what happened next but the story goes that Lester shipped or back to Hannibal Double to stay with his mother where he left strict instructions that she continued to be treated like a real person which apparently were followed because one day in nineteen forty two. She was relaxing at the local beauty salon and she uh slipped from a beauty salon chair and shattered in. This is where the story gets a little darker. It just quickly goes from being funny to odd to wait a second Sherri Maggot. Agate is a playwright and a professor at Nyu. Who wrote a play about Lester? Cynthia called the Gavitt girl after coming across the life magazine profile and she became particularly particularly interested in Cynthia's afterlife all the things that happened after she fell from the chair when he came home from the war. Lester Gaba apparently believed that everything could go on as before he had another Cynthia made but post war America with its turn towards middle class consumerism and Bourbon. Living just wasn't interested in this new Cynthia. The pros ignored her. It definitely seemed more personally important to to him than it did to everyone else. You know I mean I think at a certain point it just becomes a parlor trick or like a footnote and for him it was I mean. I don't know he got invitations that he would have never received and then they stopped. Aw but a lot of study says Lester refused to believe it was over. Sometimes it's really difficult for an individual when they get so much information about something to separate themselves from the project or to know when to quit. It doesn't appear that less ever went so far as to believe Cynthia was an actual person but it was as if he was no longer in on the joke. He just couldn't believe achieved. Cynthia had been a fad even as late as the nineteen fifties. He was still trying to get her back into the limelight. This time with a new plan to have of her wired so that she could move and that her mouth could move because he wanted to create a television show for her. The idea go to rig Cynthia with an electronic speaker system so that it would seem like she was talking if he could get her to talk. Gather Thi- he could get her talk. Show Gaba. Spent ten thousand dollars trying and trying to make Cynthia into a talking Automaton as if all he needed to do was to make her a little more real than everything would go back to the way it was but the new and improved. Cynthia didn't make any sense of the word sounded garbled the networks lost interest and the television show out never went anywhere by then. Most people had forgotten all about the original. Gabby girls and Vincent Minnelli Gamba's rumored lover had moved to Hollywood would leaving Leicester alone in New York so those tax combined just suggested a loss of touch with reality reality you had touch with reality. He created his own reality. This is morton miles breath. He met Lester in New York. After the whole Cynthia Fair in the sixties and they hit it off Oh yes he was a lot of fun he was the most creative person. Anybody Avenue totally totally self interested but but you take it from him because he had a lot to offer. They met on fire island and at that point at least lesser sexuality wasn't a question last. There was never very shy as a gay person. He was there all the time. GABBA had turn to teaching design at a local college and writing a column about fashion display. In women's wear daily and Morton was also in the fashion business. He was a clothing designer. Jackie Kennedy actually wore one of Morton's dresses as first lady in one day Leicester saw the photo of Mrs Kennedy in Morton's dress and he's all that would have really only worked for Cynthia. This was one of the few Times Morton remembers. Lester bringing up Cynthia at all for the most part he wouldn't talk about it. He didn't like people joking about her own. Oh Oh no no. Cynthia was not a joke in fact he apparently had been laughed at so much doing this that no no cindy it was something. He was very serious about that. She was a creation of But Leicester's friends had a hard time taking Cynthia. As seriously as he did did the world had moved on it was just like now where something is a hot topic and it lasts about twenty seven seconds seconds and then they go onto the next hot topic. Well it was no different than acceptable. Just a little bit slower. So less Cynthia was was still an oddity. People would still talk about it but he was the rt not Cynthia Morton says Lester always had one foot in a world of his own creation. He make grand pronouncements about the fashion scene or European culture with so much conviction that they almost sounded founded true but weren't even at the end of his life. Morton says Lester was still that small town boy from Hannibal Missouri trying to fake it till he made it in the big city see list. I had a lot of thoughts that have to do with unreal things that he made real but he couldn't make them real any any longer. Lester Gaba died in nineteen eighty seven. By which time unique painstakingly crafted plaster. Mannequins like Cynthia had gone out of fashion. They were too expensive to make too difficult to move. No one knows what happened to Cynthia in one. Interview Gava's Abbas says. He took her down to a friend's attic in the East village where he left her to sit and gather dust and the rest of the GAV. Girls are unaccounted for it to. I like to imagine all the girls that must be tucked away in the basements of department stores forgotten all the store. Clerks up. Above with no idea at the mannequin. They've abandoned was once a socialite that she wants looked out over fifth avenue watching the crowds gaze up at her as they dreamed of a better life ooh ooh Up Next we learn about the store. That's the polar opposite of the opulent Fifth Avenue Department Store for the dollar store after this when you travel as much as I. Do you learn that the perfect hotel. It'll stay is all about balance. You WanNA hotel that strikes. 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Now we'll get all the savings from this. Massive Black Friday sale visit simplisafe dot com slash. Nine nine this offer ends cyber Monday. That's it's Monday. December second so before then simplisafe dot com slash nine nine. The story. You're about to hear it was originally broadcast in November Twenty Sixteen Ninety nine cents store in West Oakland. You go into any dollar store in the United States and you'll find the same kind of stuff they've already got the Christmas stuff out and like Santa stuff everywhere Eh Little Santa. Booties that you can put on your baby a little Santa Calcium but you can put out a wine bottle in. US dollar stores there or a grocery items and cleaning products and some of them are name brand items but then there's this other category of things for sale little bags of plastic Stick festive gourds. Slotted spoon yeah everything is like this doesn't have a brand name like where's it. Toys jewelry and Knick knickknacks that seemed to have a sort of generic cheapness to the new Fez to very generic looking razors little fake plants. I do I want this chocolate. Toothpaste don't think so dollars. DOORS AREN'T JUST A. US phenomenon there in Australia and the UK during during the Middle East and Mexico. They're all over the world and a lot of that stuff that generic cheap stuff that lines. The shelves of these tours comes from one place. A market in China called the market not to beat if the fruit Chan market. Where all this stuff comes from? It goes on four miles from miles and miles of just these tiny little stores. That's documentary filmmaker. Daniel Wheelin the Fuzi and market is about forty three million square feet or around ten times the size of the mall of America you could enter the market and and walk around it for days and never say the same story twice. Daniel in its co-producer. Toby as Anderson October him made a documentary film called Bulk Land about the food. theon market cricket and the city in China words located Egwu. There's about two million people here completely dedicated to making this stuff for us. But no one's ever heard of it. The city of you will is about two hundred miles south west of Shanghai to market city so so it's quite vibrant imparts but it's not not an incredibly livable city. Incredibly Lovely Green City. It turned from a sort of Bucolic Mountain town. To what kind of seems a cookie cut industrial city. Now in the late nineteen seventies Communist. China began to open itself up to capitalism it would no longer be illegal to run private businesses. This is in China the province of jo-john where is located had a history of being a center for Trade and the people there were eager to join the new economy. The village has spent all their life savings on cheap industrial equipment and started producing items. That were really easy to make playing cards or Christmas decorations or wooden toys and soon a market opened up in the city of e Woo to sell these items. The market is just a street. Market people started it making Christmas decorations and Autzen crofts more people start companies market. And that's growing up. This is Nigel Crop. He's a British his trader who lives and works do and he originally came to the city just to have an adventure and teach English so I started teaching is in this training center and those teaching teaching adults and they factory bosses and trading company bosses. So little did they know I was teaching them English by the same time they were teaching me how to do the business here. Have it all worked. Just do day trips to the future market and shabby around the street. Markets grew and grew and eventually came to encompass four four huge buildings connected by Sky Bridges and roads and parking lots and each of the buildings is divided into different products. You'll have the Jul- oh rebuilding the toy building. The Arts and crafts building and the clothing building every day. Thousands of foreign traders visit this massive of market in new. They're haggling in Chinese looking for things to buy in bulk that they consulted dollars doors and other vendors in their home countries. Why once you get inside? It's a lot different to a to a normal shopping center a shopping mall. It's thousands and thousands thousands of markets doors these markets. Those are about five by five feet so it usually run by one person or two people and they're sitting in their surrounded by products and none of the products for sale. You can't go in there and say I want one key ring you have to go in and insight. I want one thousand five hundred K.. Rings that's exactly the kind of volume Nigel. The British trader who lives any Wu is looking for when he heads to the market and I and we need to find generic animals kind of ocean. Animals is okay so gecko lizard because go to the market and the supply will give the price and then we do the ordering. The goods are delivered a warehouse. The Niche I have is on a Westerner I speak English Veasley and I have the western I on what products not going to sell on. Neither quality expected is quite important thing I think one was so. That's at the Voltaire Marquette. My businesses nicely bulk sales of Electronic Santa Gifts. This is warm Xiaoyang. She has a stall the futon market. Filled with hundreds and hundreds of plastic santas. McGee's CENA's is home each jo-john Yakushi Won't bother we started this business. Nine hundred ninety two. That's when my dad started at ten days a week she's in this shop completely surrounded by Santas Santas Surfing Santa's climbing out of chimneys santas riding motorcycles motorcycle speedway bans on. So let's see Tejan before we started this business. I never heard of the concept of Christmas. I had no idea what it was cool. I tell us in our and the SIGA Ligo NEA. Santa is a very kind old man who slights through your chimney on Christmas and brings you gifts and happiness and good. Fortune and Christmas is a holiday for people overseas but for US Chinese people. We don't get any time off for it. One show young and Nigel are just two links in the economic chain that starts in China and ends at your local dollar store. The hub of that economy is certainly the futon market and he wou but the whole Zhejiang province is involved neighboring towns to you. All have their specialties for Halloween. We export which brooms and this one village that might as brooms does a tarrant wheelbarrows echo to atone for toys or wooden puzzles or Christmas decorations. H Town has its it's nation and most of these little toys and trinkets are being produced in small operations. Maybe a family has been able to buy one piece of industrial equipment and hire a few workers. There's a scene in Daniel's film or some migrant workers are sitting around in someone's garage making cheap costume jewelry by pouring molten metal into a machine that setting in a moment and then there's sort of filing down and checking into a container and then light of that die a guy would probably come and grab that bucket of love jewelry and take it to a different part of the town where someone will put it into packaging and then the next day he'll come back and pick that up and take it to the market and for many the people in the province. This isn't even there fulltime day. Job This is a side business everyone from the age of twenty two to audio ninety that work in the farm and then they'll come back at night and start making which is perhaps a bit like cottage industry back in industrial revolution in England. Let's Nigel crop again. The British traitor. Who lives any woo? Where it's a Great Britain two hundred years? It's taken China Twenty thirty years and you can see the effects of this super fast growth. He Wou the city grew so quickly that is still hasn't had time to build basic infrastructure. You see entire neighborhoods with breath without roads with with no paved roads because they just made people to immediately move into these buildings and start making stuff in the basements few years after moving to China. Nigel met his wife. Jessie and IWO local local. When I started the trading company's she had a booth in the market selling bags and also she was one of my students agents just family is one of many anyway to benefit from China's turned toward a free market economy? Actually need something upstairs. Say Something Coke Beer. I've always felt part. The family accepted me. But I've always made me feel very welcome. It's never felt any different. Go to go. Nigel's wife's great grandparents can remember e Woo before four it opened itself up to capitalism fell asunder. Then we lived here since we were born. We built our own house in the the old days it was suffering it was really terrible. That's Nigel Grandmother. In Law Gong. Johnson rootedly hung kwong you just mentioning the suffering time. I feel so sad I could cry. Yell collided life was so tough that a single sweet potato was divided into into pieces for several meals in the old days. There were no cars now. A lot of people can afford luxurious sedan. Some look look guts Tijaniya. I'm so comforted by the change. Of course capitalism has also taken its toll on China I think globalization is ruinous. When it's unchecked like it is in places like do you see a landscape skype almost completely destroyed? You know the the the mountains are all dog out as people burning rubbish everywhere that it's it's smoggy all the time. And you SORTA like for what. And then you see why. It's people who spent years almost completely malnourished now being able to sit around with a giant family and all eight and have a lovely time but now people in China who have been able to move out of desperate poverty want more than to just make a living and those people are demanding a lot stall made him take out the market every day every day every day it never changes. That's one young again. Her business selling Santa's has grown grown substantially. Since our father I started in nineteen ninety-two. It's allowed her family to move into the middle class but it's also swallowing up her existence. She's there seven days a week from sunup to sundown curse Amiga into harder for you issue. Maybe everyone has some regret in their lives. It's got to do it again. I would study Harz then I would not have to rely on the business that my parents ran for my entire life. E cough fool moon like a lot of middle class Chinese People Wanchai young wants something more more tangible quench. My dream is to travel all around the world the first place I want to go Egypt. This is the place I wanted to go ever since I was a kid. She doesn't want to just so fantasy seven days. He's awake until she's able to get her daughter to do the same thing. And then continue on forever for now though won't show young just has to work harder because costs in China or going up and her profit margin is getting slimmer. Wilmington go the current Jones and Jack our costs for for workers in China is increasing yearly every part of production starting from the smallest fitting part to assembly costs. It's getting more more and more expensive. As the cost of Lebron goes up people seek out cheaper labor markets Bangladesh Vietnam Laos. They're right dead and they've got the facilities to do it and they ready to take that work and they asked. Ian's take away from from places like the Chinese government is he's also interested in moving the country away from its reputation as the world's factory they don't want to be all avow junk comes from. They want to be the next South Korea or Taiwan Japan that makes computers and cars and and solar panels and things like that but but he wou is the city that cheap junk built or really only half built. The city grew so fast that basic infrastructure has not caught up to the growth in the coming years. The the people of new. We'll have to find ways to finish building their city and then new ways to survive as the global economy changes the world's dollar or stores will continue to be full plastic Santas and cheap trinkets have all kinds but soon this stuff may be made in the basements and garages and factories. Some other city part one of nine nine percents visible was produced this week by Mitchell. Johnson edited by Joe Rosenberg Mix and tech production by Sharif. Yusef music by Sean reality per two was produced used by Katie. Mingle Kirk Cole. Said is digital director of the rest of the team is Delaney Hall am at Fitzgerald. Vivian leg Chris Brubeck Sophia class car and me Roman Mars additional music by okay. The English voice overs in part two were done by Sean Win and Claire Shown that story was adapted from the film bulk land by Hi Daniel whalen and Tobias Anderson Auto Bloom. The film is about an hour long. Includes a bunch of other interesting characters that we couldn't fit into this radio piece. 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Tuesday, May 19, 2020
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Nearly all fifty states moved to reopen another child deaths from it mystery illness the fifteen year old victim at her mother's message to other parents bust the treatment being used by doctors the twelve year old girl making a full recovery president trump doubling down on hydroxy chloride Gwen a day after revealing. He's taking it the president waving off the FDA's warning of serious side effects. What will public schools reopen? What some states are planning as new findings rates concerns about classroom exposure. The fears about potential spread at one of the world's biggest food markets. Richard Angle is in Mexico. Late word tonight. From Johnson and Johnson discontinuing widely used type of baby powder amid claims that causes cancer dishes. Nbc Nightly News. With Lester Holt. Good evening everyone. We may be close to an answer tonight to one of the most concerning questions among those who have suffered the ravages of Kobe. Nineteen if you've had the corona virus and recovered. Can you get it again or even give it to others tonight? Research out of South Korea. One of the country's most successful in fighting the virus indicates the answer to both questions is no the findings also shedding light on the question of immunity. It's where we start tonight with. Nbc's Tom Castello. It's the kind of good news development that researchers have been hoping for preliminary findings from the South Korean Centers for Disease Control suggest patients who recovered from copen nineteen but then tested positive for the virus. Were not infectious. And we're not spreading the virus to others four hundred forty seven South Koreans tested positive a second time but those virus traces appear to be dead. Not Alive could it be an indication of immunity a little too soon to take that and say that we know for sure that people have immunity. But we have seen people do mount a pretty good immune response to this and we haven't yet seen reinfection so I think taken together that encourage. It felt like what I thought was one of the worse lose. I'd ever had back in early February. Aaron Kirk Evans. Her kids and husband all became very sick now after recently testing positive for the antibodies. She knows it was Kobe. Nineteen which means she could have some protection. It just felt like this empowering feeling that I can no longer live in the fear of it and the uncertainty of what it's GonNa do to my body or my kids and my husband in South Korea. The findings have convinced health experts to loosen some quarantine restrictions embassies Kelly. Kobe is in Seoul there. Greeting this new report. Here with optimism it means officials will no longer require recovered. Covert nations to test negative before being released from quarantine and it comes just as high school. Seniors are headed back to school for the first time in weeks and it could be critical in hard. Hit you estates since early testing suggests one in five New Yorkers has antibodies for covert nineteen but many never knew they were sick having the antibodies does not automatically mean immunity but the South Korean report is further evidence that people who have recovered and do have. Antibodies may be able to return to work without fear of infecting others. Lester Ride Tom castello tonight. Tom Thank you. Another child has died from inflammatory syndrome. That hit some children after covert infections though rare almost half the states are now reporting cases and the CDC brief Doctors Today. What treatments are working to save young lives? Here's Kristen doggone dear. Yana dyson was just fifteen. When she started complaining about stomach pain and Arash and thank. I wouldn't be working outta there within days. The Baltimore team was dead. The latest victim of the newly discovered multi-system Inflammatory Syndrome Yanna had tested positive for covert antibodies. Even now a channel really understand that kills people today the CDC. How the briefing call with doctors on what it's learning about the illness now found in at least twenty. Four states and nine countries around the world cases seemed to be peaking about a month behind covert. Many of the children didn't know they had corona virus suggesting the illness comes from an overactive. Immune response in New York City alone. There are now one hundred forty seven cases. I think that's the tip of the Iceberg Long Island's Cohen's Children's Medical Center so many of the early cases almost eighty percent had no underlying condition. Nearly all had gastrointestinal symptoms and the hospital saw success with plasma product called ivig which helps calm and overactive immune response. It's one of the things doctors in Louisiana used on twelve-year-old Juliet daily who went into cardiac arrest before responding to treatment. She's now out of the hospital and let her latest checkup showed. No signs of permanent heart damage does saying that. It looks pretty normal. Watch she came in. And you know really your desk and within a matter of days we're able to get her off the ventilator breathing on her own it was one of those moments. Want to celebrate. Hope Tonight I'm just so happy that she has a bright future. That treatments can work if doctors can catch it in time. Kristen Dahlgren. Nbc News New York utter intense criticism. President trump today defended his decision to take hydroxy chloroquine brushing aside potentially serious side effects. Kristen Welker has late details tonight. President trump increasingly defiant about his decision to take the controversial anti-malaria drugs hydroxy chloroquine despite no evidence yet that it prevents corona virus. I think it gives you an additional level of safety. But you can ask. Many doctors are in favor of many frontline. Workers won't go there. Unless they have the hydroxy appoint he'd double down on later in the day. Drowsy Laura Quinn is used by thousands and thousands of frontline workers but the country's largest medical association says it is not aware of any data showing frontline workers are taking the drug. The FDA has warned against using hydroxy chloroquine outside of a hospital setting due to a risk of serious heart problems and in some cases even death and similar findings in another study funded by the University of Virginia and the NIH which used data from patients at veterans medical centers. A study which the president attached. Today there were giving it to people that were in very bad shape. They were very old almost dead. It was a trump enemy statement. The president's stunning revelation. Monday surprised even some of his own top advisors. I happen to be taking it. Production Jenkin Hydroxy House Speaker. Nancy Pelosi reacting. I would rather he not be taking something that has not been approved by scientists especially in his age group and in his. Shall we say wait? Group had but morbidly obese detaille sparking a bitter back and forth today respond to her. I think she's a waste of time. Pelosi is a sick. It's got a lot of problems a lot of mental problems. I didn't know that he would be so sensitive he's always talking about other people's of wow DEPA. Their weight their pounds. His words way a tongue and the president revealing. He started to take the drug after one of his staffers. Tested positive for the virus. Very nice young gentleman. He tested positive. Meantime the Vice President. Who'S PRESS SECRETARY? Tested POSITIVE. Said he is not taking hydroxy. Chloroquine by physician is not recommended that but I wouldn't hesitate to take the council on my doctor. Any American should do likewise. Nbc's Dr John Torrance. Don't listen to other people when they tell you. Take medicines like because again the benefit might not be there but the harm certainly could and in a statement tonight. The FDA reiterated the decision to take any drug is ultimately one between a patient and their doctor. Lester Kristen Welker at the White House. Thank you the Governor of New Jersey said today officials are war gaming. What a return to school look like next fall weather to reopen how to reopen some of the toughest decisions facing states and parents are understandably nervous. Here's gave Gutierrez Roussell. Cardona is a single mom in the Bronx. And she's worried it's stressful. There's Times where I found myself having to calls myself in a bathroom and cry. I feel like I'm living in a whole nightmare when the pandemic h with her job to take care of her three kids to have special needs for her it's critical with New York. Schools reopened this fall. Well we're worried about especially parents of students with disabilities is regression across the country. The Future of K through twelve education is up in the air especially with new reports out of France where dozens of new corona virus cases have been linked to possible classroom exposure shortly after schools reopened should schools reopen this fall. I think they should make an attempt to reopen schools but this is all going to be dependent upon what happens in the summer and what. September looks like school districts in Minnesota and Texas. We'll be allowed to reopen for in person classes this summer. Kansas is planning to restart them in. August Katrina pickens has been taking care of her three kids at home there. It's just very hard to put them into a schedule at home. You know where. There's all these other distractions. Some states are considering whether to start the fall semester. Early to catch kids up one Maryland. Lawmakers floating the idea of year round schooling many districts are scrambling to answer unprecedented questions. Socially distanced the bus on a bus. What's it look like on in Gym Class Choir? Room look like hopefully not like this say New York City authorities. This Brooklyn Sheva has now been shut down after ignoring social distancing orders. Also today New York City announced plans for virtual summer. Squall about one in six students are being asked to take more online classes because many have fallen behind. Lester gave Gutierrez's evening. Thanks tonight. Mexico was also reopening many getting back to work there even with growing questions about whether the Cova nineteen crisis there is far more serious than authorities are. Letting on your dangle is their Mexico City is the perfect cova breeding ground overcrowded with a healthcare system. Already overburdened this week. The government began reopening many businesses. But with about half the population in poverty for many stopping work was never an option. Today I went to Mexico. City's Day BUSTA market the covert epicenter guards. Chapter many people inside are wearing masks. But with a half a million people buying and selling here every day. Social DISTANCING IS IMPOSSIBLE. This market has never shut and people told me it can't. It's the city's heart soul stomach and wallet. Lorenzo works here seven days a week to feed his wife and three children. I asked him if he's worried about the virus. Yes but fear is better than Hungary said but for thousands of forced gamble with the virus does not end well. Officially around thirteen hundred people have died from covert in Mexico City. But critics say the real number could be three times that and in. Brazil the under counting maybe even higher. Nbc's Bill Neely. Is There Corona viruses spreading faster here than anywhere on Earth but health officials believed the true number of infections could be worse? Perhaps fifteen times worse than the official figures back in Mexico. The President says reopening guidelines are recommendations regions ultimately decide. It's an acknowledgment. As many supporters. Say that this country must work to survive even as coffin sir now wrapped in plastic and graves dug in waiting rose. It's hard to know the full scale of the problem here because Mexico does very little testing Lesser Richard Angle in Mexico. Tonight thank you in sixty seconds. What's being called? The pandemic within the pandemic why for some staying at home represents a serious risk of its own with all the uncertainty in the world right now. Feeling safe at home has never been more important. That's why you should check out simply safe home. Security their longtime friends of our show and for good reason simplisafe has made it easy to finally get comprehensive protection for your home. There's no technician or salesperson that needs to come and disrupt your time at home. 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All because of Corona Virus Dr Schaffner at Vanderbilt University who was one of the top infectious disease experts in the country. Said you should lie. That's the bottom line because it is in his words. The exact kind of environment that the corona virus wants to spread still. Many people need and want to fly so today we talked to. Nbc's air and space expert. Tom Costello about the outlook for the airlines and would fly and could look like even after the worst is over search for into America wherever you're listening right now and subscribe back down with a disturbing rise during the pandemic as many people stay home to stay safe that can be the worst place to be victims of domestic violence. Here's cates now like your heart has just. Someone took a huge knife. Just kept carving your heart out. The pain is still so raw for Lissa. Why Melton Bill PUGH WHO's daughter? Maria was murdered less than three weeks ago. They adopted Maria as baby from Mexico and raised her in Minnesota. Both bill and I thought we just won the parenting Jackpot always smiling. She's snowmobile. She rode horses. She rode four wheelers. She snowboards she skied. She was a cheerleader. She got married last year. A relationship her parents describe as controlling. I think it was seen pretty intense really fast. And then corona virus and orders to stay inside their house in L. That was not a safe place for her to be. Do you think Kobe contributed to everything that happened. Oh sure I mean it. Further isolated her. The criminal complaint says there was an argument on April thirtieth about Maria leaving her husband. Joshua fury eventually admitted killing her and burying her body in a small crawlspace. Fury's lawyer declined to comment. You just think. Why didn't I say all the things that I'm faulting myself for now Ryan my God run? Why didn't I say that home is not a safe place for victims? And now you're forced to stay inside because outside. It's scary phone calls to the center. For Women and families. In Louisville Kentucky have actually decreased in part experts say because victims are trapped with their abusers but the center is getting more emails or victims calling friends using a code word for help. What are you telling women about whether they can leave because of the corona virus rules? Well what we're telling them as duly absolutely one of the ways. That perpetrators are Manipulating mentally abusing their victims is through the corona virus. Saying things like if you walk out this door and you're gonNA get the crown of ours and die. Nbc News reached out to thirty five organizations in nineteen states in some places hotline calls more than doubled becoming shorter and more frantic. We know Cova pandemic but so as domestic violence. Listen and Bill are starting a nonprofit called marinas voice to help victims find resources. There is something we can do. It's called action about domestic violence and it's meritas voice. We're just parents who have broken heart but we can do something and we're going to do something to stop domestic violence hoping to stop pandemic within the pandemic Kate Snow. Nbc News. If you or someone you know needs help call the national domestic violence hotline at one. Eight hundred seven nine nine seven two three three or go to the hotline dot Org amid the pandemic there is also a troubling racial divide. Our Morgan Ranford now with the new reporting from Propublica on why the viruses hitting so hard among people of Color Dr Falloon Afaq. Aridi is a cardiologist. On a mission saving lives and saving lives he moved to the Mississippi Delta One of the poorest areas in the country to stop what he says are preventable surgeries amputations resulting from diabetes. A condition both of his parents had did an option of agitation spur strategy. And that's what were gets. Research shows amputations happen more frequently. Among black patients with diabetes in the rural southeast often three to four times the national average potato. It's a crisis. Expert say worsened by the corona virus. Why are we seeing such a high prevalence of Cobra? Nineteen in African American communities. Hard rates have existed people. Jose just expounded the problem and expose the problems for the rest of the Bungee Propublica lizzy presser spent more than a month covering the crisis in Mississippi. So what we're all seeing with Cobra. Nineteen at the patients who are most likely to be killed by the disease and severely affected by disease are black patients and diabetics. That's the same population. That's disproportionately affected by amputation. She says more needs to be done to educate patients about their options and by the government to care for the most vulnerable like eighty five year old susie Robinson the pandemic leaving her son especially concerned so I came more protective of her doctor. Factory says patients like her deserve a chance to be taught. Eat right had live right so now. It's our Morgan Radford. Nbc News New York. Johnson and Johnson says it will stop selling baby powder made with Talq in the US. The company is facing thousands of lawsuits from patients who claim the talent was contaminated with cancer causing a specis. The company says it remains confident. In the safety of its talent base may be powder it will continue to sell. Baby powder made with cornstarch before we go we want to know the latest installment of nightly news. Kids edition is available. These pops are not letting the virus get in the way of their work to help. Kids feel better. We'll explain plus dude joins us with a trick shot you can try at home our new episode streaming right now and that is nightly news for this evening. I'm Lester Holt. Please take care of yourself and each other Mike. What's from dateline with a question for true crime fans how do you catch a killer? 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Thursday, December 5, 2019
"Tonight several breaking stories as we come on the year the wild chase a ups truck hijacked the driver held hostage the high speed pursuit moments after a victim. mm-hmm was hurt in a jewelry store. Heist the images. Just coming in the dramatic takedown officers opening fire and traffic and late word on the driver. Also breaking the blackhawks military chopper crashing in Minnesota. Three National Guardsmen on board the late details tonight the search for a motive in the deadly shooting at Pearl Harbor the US Navy sailor killing two civilian workers wounding third for turning the gun on himself. What we've now learned the historic moved by Speaker? Nancy Pelosi ordering articles of impeachment drawn up against President trump and the heated moment. A reporter. Asking Pelosi do you hate. The president. Said don't mess with AAC when it comes to words like that. The President Daring Democrats to impeach him. Fast could it happen by Christmas. Our NBC News Exclusive Uber For the first time going public with a surprise findings from its own safety report but reveals a staggering number of sexual assaults. And what the company is vowing to do to make you safer this is NBC. Nightly News. With Lester Holt. Good evening everyone there several stories breaking as we come on the air. Tonight we start near Miami. There were violent robbery. Turn hostage-drama turn wild chase and a carjack. UPS truck and just a short time ago in a flurry of bullets in the the middle of rush hour traffic. The van surrounded by police bullets flew all of it aired locally on live television Morgan. Chessy with what we know so far the tonight gunfire after a frightening chase through the middle of Miami Rush Hour. Traffic and armed robbery turn carjacking of a ups truck police say it started when two men robbed a coral gables jewelry store only the owner had other plans opening fire on the suspects who shot back injuring at least one bystander. I standard this is what dangerous people do to get away and this is what people will do to avoid capture. Just minutes later confirmed carjacking jacking. The suspect allegedly holding a ups driver at gunpoint before taking control for half an hour. The men led police on a chase through northern Miami dodging traffic rafic driving down sidewalks and swerving past countless cars at one point. The suspects even drove through our neighborhood. Barricade as dozens of police cruisers. Tried I to close in the run from the law ended nearly thirty miles later. In a hail of gunfire police swarming the ups truck after blocking off nearby streets and late tonight the FBI confirming four people died as a result of this carjacking saying that both suspects that ups driver taken hostage and a by standard were killed at that final location. Lester Morgan Jessica Miami tonight. Thank you also breaking this evening. The crash of an army. National Guard Blackhawk helicopter. In Minnesota Rod has late details. Ron What do we know about this there lester. Unfortunately it looks like this is a tragic into a search that has been going on all afternoon. You can see the wreckage there in the snow officials say three Minnesota National Guard troop soldiers were on that flight. They were conducting a maintenance test flight that it lifted off from the Saint Cloud airport and lost communication. Shortly after two o'clock making a May Day call nine minutes into the flight. Radio transmissions indicate rescuers rescuers zeroed in on this crash site by tracking cell phone pains from some of the occupants on that helicopter. There's no official word yet tonight on the condition or identities cities of those aboard. Lester Alright Ron thanks for the update now to Hawaii and the deadly shooting at Pearl Harbor. Where a gunman opened fire killing two and injuring a third victim tonight? We're learning more about that. Gunman Miguel Almaguer is there and has late details gunfire triggering panic and tear at Pearl Harbor. Police medical teams racing to the scene of an active shooter just after two PM on Wednesday the US military base locked down. We WanNA help. Obviously but we can't probably a sailor opening fire on three civilians killing two before taking taking his own life a witness describing the scene to NBC affiliate K.. H. Now love hops and the navy identifying the shooter only as a male sailor who law enforcement sources say carried out the attack with his service weapons with motive still unclear the navy says the shooter was assigned to this nuclear submarine the US ask Columbia docked at the shipyard for maintenance the carnage unfolding unfolding across the harbour from the iconic world. War Two memorial arm. Sincere thoughts are with the families of victims and Terek Point Tally Allie Mae. Her husband. Vincent boy junior is one of the two civilians killed with the third victim in stable condition. This is the latest deadly rampage on a US military base tonight in Hawaii as they prepare to mark the seventy eight th anniversary of its darkest day tragedy has struck Pearl Harbor again with the base here at Pearl Harbor back to normal operations. There has been no impact to the near my memorial meantime. Investigators are interviewing several witnesses. This is in trying to speak to family and friends close to the suspect Lester. Tonight there remains no official motive. All Right Miguel. Thank you history unfolding. Tonight is Democrats take dramatic dramatic and material step toward impeaching president trump with the president even today clinging to his mantra that it's all a hoax. A deadly serious house speaker. Nancy Pelosi Osi was directing house leaders to start drafting articles of impeachment. Peter Alexander has late details house speaker. Nancy Pelosi tonight wielding the power of her office in an effort to remove the president from his. Today I'm asking you tear men to proceed with articles of impeachment Pelosi echoing the words of the founding fathers saying president trump's alleged wrongdoing strikes at the heart of the Constitution. Democracy is what is at stake. The president leads us no choice choice but to act because he is trying to corrupt once again the election for his own benefit three to one on the president tonight celebrating the Season Wall counting down the days to his likely impeachment. That could come before Christmas to hoax. Since big fat jokes earlier defiantly challenging Democrats to move quickly tweeting. If you're going to impeach me do it now fast. So we can have a fair trial in the Senate and I said that our country can get back to business tonight. The White House is aggressively gearing. Up for an impeachment trial early next year in the Republican controlled Senate where the president and his allies are confident confident he would be acquitted. Speaker gave a speech on national television to push forward her rush and partisan impeachment and the president today reiterating his demand that many key democrats be called to testify including House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff and Joe Biden who today confronted wanted an Iowa voter who questioned his age and accused him of having sold access to the White House. Claiming Biden sent his son to serve on the board of a Ukrainian energy company. You're selling access to the president. Just like damn why being. It's not true. And what is that. I've been on the eighteen center. Let's also bristling. I've got a question today Speaker Pelosi. She was leaving a news. Conference asked by a reporter whether she hates the president. Anybody in any. I prayed to the president all the time. So don't mess with me when it comes to words like that tonight house. Democrats are still debating whether those articles of impeachment should be limited to the president's dealings with Ukraine or broadened out to include what they call a pattern of obstruction that takes into account the findings of the Miller report. Lester Peter Thank you. It's being called one of the biggest bank robbery schemes of the past decade tonight federal prosecutors. I have charged two men in Russia with running it Pete. Williams has details operating from inside Russia. Federal prosecutors say tonight these two men Maxime Same Yaqoob bets and Ebor Tura Chef targeted thousands of victims vacuuming millions. Out of their bank accounts. Yackobitz is a true twenty-first-century criminal who with with the stroke of a key in the click of a mouse committed cybercrimes across the globe. Prosecutors say they stole three and a half million dollars from Pennsylvania Oil Company which eventually managed managed to get the money back but most victims weren't so lucky an order of nuns in Illinois lost twenty four thousand dollars. The hackers focused on small businesses and city and county governments in all investigators say US victims in eleven states lost seventy million dollars worldwide say officials in the US and England. They hackers hit more more than three hundred organizations in forty three countries. There is real world harm. Where People's life savings people's Companies being compromised by these individuals the US is offering five million dollar reward for information that leads to the capture of Yakult bats whose safely living in Moscow and US authorities say. The Russians aren't doing doing much to help in arresting him Pete Williams. NBC News Washington. This was a tent violent day. In France much of the country shut down by massive protests. Bill neely earliest there with what's behind it. Tear gas fire and fury in Paris as the biggest French strike in decades descended into into violence riot. Police firing stun grenades at protesters central Paris again. A battleground nearly a million marched in fourteen cities police officers and doctors joining garbage collectors and opera. Singers public sector workers angry at pension reforms pushed by the French president. Emmanuel macron transport across France stopped schools and the Eiffel Tower closed American tourists hit. I feel all of frustrated and I spent a lot of money. Echoes today of the violence of last year's yellow vest protests protesters tonight loyd threatening to triple the country and the economy more strikes are planned tomorrow. More protests Saturday. This is a battle of wills that could make or break the French government and its president. Lester Bill neely in Paris tonight. Thank you a disturbing photo. has led to the suspension of a number of government employees in West Virginia. The image shows a training class of about thirty correctional officers appearing. To give a Nazi Salute Governor Jim Justice condemn the photo and has ordered the firing hiring of everyone found to be involved. Now we're NBC. News exclusive tonight on ridesharing giant Uber. After years of being dogged by safety concerns and sexual assault assault allegations against some of the drivers. The company is going public here tonight with what it calls a comprehensive report addressing those concerns in vowing new action. Here's Stephanie Uber. Up ended how we get from point A. TO POINT B. But as the rideshare company has grown so to have accounts slaked this. I was basically taken for two and a half hours in an uber. Car with the next day had defensive wounds I told my mom and my sister and they were just like no that sexual assault tonight. For the first time UBER is publicly releasing its own data on sexual assaults over the course of twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen. The company received nearly six thousand reports of incidents during or after Uber Rides ranging from groping to rape roughly four reported rapes every every week one in every five million rides. That's a hard number but I'm not surprised and I'm not surprised because sexual. Violence is just much more pervasive in in society than I think most people realize Tony. West is Uber's chief legal officer spearheading. This study released today together with input from sexual violence. Land's advocate I was surprised to read that about half of the victims are riders and the other half are driver right and so this is not just a one sided problem. We have to keep in mind that both drivers and riders victims according to the study. Uber's aware of law enforcement involvement in thirty seven percent of the reported reported rape cases. That number seems Kinda low to me just thirty seven percent. I'll tell you one of the facts about sexual assault is that it is a very underreported. Offense Uber shouldn't make that choice for survivors survivors should make that choice for themselves. It also opens up the possibility that Uber is aware of someone someone who potentially raped someone else. WHO's out in the public without involving law enforcement as someone who is a former law enforcement official chill? I understand the tension. We have lots of information about an incident that we will share with law enforcement if we get the consent of the victim Uber Study reveals that more than forty thousand drivers were banned in the US and the last two years as part of continuous background checks for a variety of reasons including sexual misconduct. Conduct Uber announcing tonight. They plan to share those names with other rideshare companies. What do you hope to show what these numbers over the years? We hope to see see and hope to learn a number of things I think i. We want to raise awareness. Other thing we want to show is that we're developing best practices among new safety features. Uber is adding the ability to text nine. One one from the APP unique pin codes for rides and on trip reporting were there ever any internal conversations stations where people said. This could hurt our business. These numbers sure sure there were. It was hard but it's important for us to push through do that. Discomfort and to talk about these issues and Uber couldn't simply ignore what was happening on its platform and most importantly we have to address it Stephanie. I know this study addresses issues beyond the sexual assault safety. What else look at the world fatalities as well Lester? They found one hundred seven deaths because of crashes over this two year period according to their own comparison. They also tell us that they're going to do a study. Just like this every two years to compare the data just ahead tonight. Why a boy invited his entire kindergarten class? With Barry Special Day in court it's tonight's inspiring America the astounding price of a piece of art yet summer calling it. Anna's the meet the Press Chuck Todd Cast. It's an insider's take on politics the twenty twenty election and more candid conversations with some of my favorite reporters about things. We usually discuss off camera. Listen for free. Wherever you get your podcast I all right up next tonight? The new top banana in the art world sold for a staggering amount. But his Harry Smith tells US opinions on it are split. A picture popped up on our screens today. And we're sorry we just can't seem to. Pilar is away because what you're looking at and this is no slip of the tongue is art and it just sold for north of one hundred thousand dollars at the Big Art Basil Gathering in Miami. Many artists was misunderstood stood in their lifetimes van Gogh yes. The Van Gogh only sold one painting. Ever maybe we're missing something with banana and duct tape like like an unfathomable metaphor about the banana that decays but the tape as any do it yourself or knows pretty much last forever. Still we have have a few questions as the banana rocks. Does the art appreciate or depreciate if I go home and make my own banana and duct tape art. Does that mean. I'm an artist. Only if you paid for it Harry Smith. NBC News some deep thoughts. They're up next an amazing day for one young boy with all this friends there to celebrate. Finally tonight the day one boy it's been waiting for in the frenzy brought a log. Here's Kevin tables it. It was a field trip unlike any other school. Children in Kent County Michigan all invited down to the local courthouse. Welcome to the courthouse on this amazing amazing day to attend a very special hearing. It was adoption day in family court in all thirty-seven foster children united with their new families. There's so many emotional stories with paper. Hartson hand the Friends of eight-year-old Michael Clark Junior came to celebrate right along. I'm with him. He's been with his foster parents for about a year today. They own one you know. We asked him mm-hmm and he was just like you know the classes kind of my family tonight. One special group of kids. How found there forever parents? We were just thinking. How can we built my mommy? And there's so many options right for building family these days one boy's classmates have learned an important lesson about love and commitment commitment Kevin tables. NBC News How can that one not get you That's nightly news. I'm Lester Holt in everyone Hey it's Josh mates from dateline. Do you need your true crime fix on the go. Dateline episodes are now available in podcasts. You can listen in the car or on the beach or wherever the summer. Takes you mysteries with a twist from dateline. Subscribe now so you don't miss an episode.
Introducing: The United States of Anxiety
"Hey everybody it's Mary every once in a while. Elliott dropped something in your feed. Tell you about a new podcast that I'm loving that I think you should check out to. This is one of those times the United States of anxiety from Cairo and WNYC STUDIOS. They just launched their fourth season. And what I love about. This podcast is that it's an election. Podcast unlike any other election podcast. That's because Kai breaks down the conversation that we're having right now in the twenty twenty election about race about the economy and traces the roots of those conversations. All the way back through history so I let him take it from here. He'll give you a little bit of their first episode I met a new friend. Last fall he renita. Hey are you. I'm human named Bernita blocker and the thing about Vernita is. She grew up country. So I don't know if you've ever heard of this but you can make snow crane snow ice cream and she told me all these rustic stories about stuff. She did as a kid in Mississippi. Now how they did it. Don't ask me. I was a little girl by tasted good. You could not pay me to eat. Some ice cream made from snow that fell from the sky. Anyplace I have ever lived. Eaten US know is concerned. I mean my mom's pretty country herself and I spend a lot of time in the south so I can relate a little but renewed his childhood in the Mississippi Delta. This is another level for me. She was raised by her grandparents. Were farmers mostly most of the time they planet Kaden and that's what they grew on land was the cash crowd which didn't make much cash so the rest kept them fed. My grandma always had a large garden and she also had hogs and she had chickens as well. They were very resourceful. In using everything that was on the land they will take like the Ham of the hall and they would salt it down and that ham wasn't put in the refrigerator. That Ham was put in a wooden boxing and it was preserved through this cost salt process. And so that would be fresh meat for us to eat. You know for several months and listen. This is the one thousand nine hundred sixties in rural Mississippi. And I gotTA assume life was not easy for black folks there but Vernita gives me nothing but Rosie Memories. She even lasts about the time their house caught on fire. We're not sure hi- hot but it burke all the way to the ground so they bought an old house from neighbor like a whole house move the whole thing to their farm and then renovated it themselves and that you guys was when we got up bathroom until the house burned we used an outhouse. You are talking too much. My family have a breakout too much. So here's the deal Rita's family and the land. They raised her on tell a piece of the Mississippi Delta Story that I've never really heard before I mean we know the Mississippi Delta Right. It's the birthplace of the blues. The place where black Americans did our usual thing turning pain into poetry? It's where the legendary Robert Johnson is said to have sold his soul to the Devil at Highway junction. About twenty minutes of Rina's child had farm where muddy water sat on his porch and helped create the sound. That would become rock and roll. Time for Nita was a little girl. It's where Fannie Lou. Hamer was organizing freedom summer risking her life to try failing to bring multiracial democracy into the state of Mississippi Fatty first of all of us in nineteen sixty two that eighteen of US travel twenty six miles. There is a rich but hard and grim history of black life in the Delta Vernita though. She felt quite safe and secure because she was sheltered on that farm in her grandparents. Care for me. It was just a way a life. I never thought I was pulled until much later in life I look back on it and I was like we were really poor. We will learn how much because I felt like we didn't want for anything. We had clothing heads shelter. We had transportation. I don't feel like I was deprived as a child. The land itself belonged to her grandmother. Lily Lester and for needed describes lily as I guess exactly the kind of bad ass she'd have to be as a black woman owning her own land in Jim Crows Mississippi. She was a type of person that was a go getter. She was like a business person. She believe in taking care of business. She was very serious about that. So lily inherited the land from her own parents. For Nita's great grandparents it was forty acres and Lily taught her family to be fiercely. Proud of it for those of us who didn't grow up in a rural environment where land really miss something. What is the emotional attachment? You think both for your grandmother and yourself why that was such a big deal that you guys had this land ownership you own your own land. Best something to be proud of. We were surrounded by people who did not own land. They lived on someone else land. They lived in someone else's house and it was just always drilled into me as long as you have breath in your body to just hold onto the land. Don't ever sell it. But you know when I asked for Nita how her family got ownership of the land in the first place. She said this really unexpected thing. The Lan came about when government gave lack families forty acres and meal But as far as when it took place I would like to know more about that. Forty acres in a mule. You have surely heard this phrase if nothing else is the name of Spike Lee's production company. It's an idea that began circulating right after the civil war ended that freed slaves were promised forty acres and a mule but it is really incredibly unlikely that this is the source of lilies land. Very few people received that promise and even fewer actually got the land. Whenver needed told me that this was her understanding. I got really curious. I went to Mississippi to learn where it came from and I found a story about an old fundamental fight in American politics. One that remains at the center of the current political debate. We do not agree on who owns this country's staggering wealth. Those giant corporations like Chevron Amazon pay nothing in taxes we can have them pay who are its rightful owners. How does it happen that when the top one percent owns more wealth than the bottom ninety two percent after a million people are sleeping out on the streets? Donald Trump has fostered a nostalgia for whites only prosperity. The forgotten men and women of our country will be forgotten no longer but everybody on the political stage left right and center ordinary middle class Americans build AMAC is asking in some form how we can most fairly distribute the incredible resources of the United States. That is a question that dates all the way back to the aftermath of the civil war and for at least one promising moment in those postwar years. It's a questioned. The country actually answered for itself for Nita's family stepped into that moment and somehow they held their ground where very few others could the landscape of the Mississippi. Delta is vast miles and miles of crop fields rule out to the horizon expenses broken up only by thickets of trees here and there. Markov property lines long stretches of unpaved roads crisscrossed those fields on what seems like hard unforgiving ground you but actually water lurks everywhere standing in swampy pools under those treeline seeping into ravines dug around the cotton fields. The delta is fertile. Been coming in and you tracks start my trip here by going to see for Nita's family land. Albert Lester is my guide. He's Ver- NITA'S. Uncle lillies youngest child and he's basically a ninety four year old teenager. I mean he's just bouncing around these back roads and fields like he's looking for his next adventure and half the time I was chasing behind him. your that's your. That's that's a here. Do you mind if we get out. So what you would in down there. That's right you're paying me as a cornerstone military road right there by that tree. We're looking at a long empty collapsing. A frame of them are just move as you can see the remnants of a wide Verandah. That was likely the buildings most proud gesture. It's the house. The family got after the fire when Vernita finally got her indoor bathroom it's surrounded by thicket of trees and beyond that acres and acres of fields. And did they farm on this land? My mother name cure did a huge. They own homeland this Iran Rina everybody who grew up here on this land have already left the state. So Albert's now the lands caretaker and he rented out to a white guy to help keep the taxes paid. Elbert is a lifelong farmer himself. And just like renita. There's a mysticism to how he talks about. Land Ownership Mongolian daily. We Lane did forget it near to get. I wondered about that and Philip Tear measor feud moved in New York. If you kill them folks that you got some land billion you. I don't know why Albert took the advice. He's got ninety acres of his own raised thirteen children. Hello there's a piece of this all family. I've got a lot of community right here. That's a wonderful thing. That's a wonderful thing over its wife. Pearleen is ninety years old herself. The two of them have been married for more than seventy years. And you know I got a sense of why landownership has meant so much in this family as I listen to them. Talk about their life together after he came out of service this when I met him she met Albert while ushering at a military funeral. This was just after World War Two. She was bored so when she noticed this guy his friends hanging around outside the church. She hit him. A- We didn't know but we try to get to the Albert had just gotten out of the military he'd been part of the first cohort of black men to serve in the Marines and proline says he acted the part to this day. He is a man who walks with ample confidence arena if these two are sitting in the front room of their farmhouse literally surrounded by photos of kids and grandkids and great grandkids posed graduation gowns and military uniforms. There's a black Jesus portrait and the Obama family photo. I've seen on the walls of dozens of black homes around the south. The room is like a shrine to black family pride. It is familiar but I gotta say listening to ninety something year old. Black People giggled about being in love. That's new for me. Probably for a Lotta people. My grandfather's they died early grandmothers live to their nineties but their internal lives there indiscretions and guilty pleasures. They didn't share that kind of stuff with me. Stuff like the weight per lean. Was clearly excited by Albert's macho youthful temper. Oh Lord you hey for but I mean you know. He didn't bother nobody outside. Albert says he was just a product of the Marine Corps Marine coal. You know fans in taught him that. Winning is everything a lesson that I came to realize has served him well as a black land owner in the Delta Zone and now the cone I'd come out and this is another thing that very few of us get to hear from our black elders. What it felt like to live in. Jim Crows world. The emotional scars the accumulated while staying alive. The period Elbert and Pearleen reminiscing about these are the years after World War. Two over was actually one of hundreds of thousands of black service members returning to their communities full of pride a little too much pride for White folks. It was a precarious era for black people. Full of countless little conflicts that could turn deadly like the time Albert. His young son and his father went into town and pass the white sheriff on the sidewalk and when he and Pearleen tell me this story they repeat the dehumanizing language why people used to throw at them so heads up it like this the sheriff pushed Albert son out of the way by me more streets the marine and Elbert was ready to fight back but his father grabbed him just in time to prevent an irrevocable mistake. I didn't know midnight. Jairo role night in night having been moved dead pro. Got My hand on him now. You couldn't put your hand on White People They always lack. They could tell lie on you and send you to prison a key. Do anything would be done about it over. You go find some kind of ways. The all no no never did did did neither. Could they would do nothing but Yasser Nossa? You could do nothing to couldn't do nethon. You know to stay out of trouble right. They were right y'all we will Millions of black families decided not to deal with that they packed up and left but this family decided that rather than leave rather than go north or wherever else they would stay on their own land and use it as a shield against the wild random power white people help. But where'd they get the land like I said Auburn? Vinita know that lily inherited it but they don't know what came before that so after visiting the land itself I went into town to start looking for an answer at the county courthouse and it was like the building itself. Wanted me to understand the world in which family lived built in nineteen ten. It's landmark site now. It's a handsome if intimidating structure stately with tall white columns along the front and a large inscription across the top obedience to the law is liberty access or maps property records but these days people are behind the desks inside. I'm well how are you? Yeah so I am trying to look up some property records so the current deed is in the name of Lily. Lester Young L. E. S. T. E. R. Tax assessor finds Lilly's deed and it confirms the family stories. That lily got the land from her parents. Their names were Charlie and Abby Dobson and they did in fact own forty acres when they died in the nineteen forties. They gave their land to Lilly and her sister. But anything before that. That's not in the electronic records so I go down the hall to the Courthouse Library all those books on this song right there. All those are deepal there. These huge musty old books. Like something out of Harry Potter. The general index of Land Deeds Whitman County. Each one is like two feet high six inches thick worn leather binding. And basically I got to look for either Charlier Addy Dobson's name and each book until I find the citation for their deed and then I can go look up the deed itself to finally see where they got the land. And if you WanNa copy of the D we can make you a copy of the D. Okay I got my work cut out so I cracked. I look number ten. I turn to the ahead. It's nine alphabetical order. That sucks their group by letter. Just not in any particular order. So I gotta look through all the days till I hit adoption Darby Denim and Dr Now Dickie Davis now journal and eventually I started thinking. Maybe they're not any I mean. Maybe the family doesn't know where. Charlie got this land because nobody knows because it's actually lost to history books here and then I found. I think this is Charlie Dobson now. His name is misspelled. I can't quite make out. The words scrawled next to his name. The part that says who held the deed before Charlie. But it's got the citation where to find the deed itself. So I go over to the wall of deed books and turn to page five seventy five. Charlie Dopson Y and M v our company the Zoo and Mississippi Valley Railroad Company. He bought it from the railroad company. Three hundred twenty dollars in nineteen zero four which I guess. That's not what I expected. A small black farm. Just one generation removed from slavery. And he's buying land from an interstate corporation but there it is nine hundred ninety four. Charlie Dobson signs a contract to pay an Illinois based railroad company. Three hundred and twenty dollars over five years for forty acres of land. I couldn't wait to share this with her nita. Oh Wow all the time. I thought that the land was given to them. The fact that is very significant because in NATO eighteen four my great grandparents purchased land. That's very significant. Because honestly it's just not how we're taught the history of that era if we learn about everyday black people at all they're portrayed as poor sharecroppers scratching out a life not as people buying land from large corporations which begs a couple questions. Who Were Charlie Addi Dobson? And how unique was this land deal? They found I set the straight on the whole question of the post civil war. Land giveaway I talk to historian Eric Phone. I'm the author of the second founding. How the civil war and reconstruction remade the constitution. And he's one of the world's leading historians on the era known as reconstruction which followed the civil war forty acres and a mule that phrase reflects the fact that African Americans thought that with the end of slavery should come. They didn't use the word reparations but it would more like compensation for the Labor. They had done that was their idea of economic freedom to go along with this sort of legal freedom of the abolition of slavery the Phrase Itself Echoes. An order issued by a union army general near the end of the war. So it comes from Sherman's order in January field order fifteen in January eighteen sixty five. The civil war is still on. Although it's pretty clear it's coming toward an end and as General Sherman famously marches through Georgia taking confederate land. Thousands of enslaved people flee to safety behind his lines that becomes untenable. Sherman is not equipped to support thousands of starving people so he meets with a bunch of black community leaders. Who Tell him listen. We just need land and we will take care of ourselves. General Sherman figures. Great Problem Solved. He issues an order saying give each person forty acres of all that land. I just seized in South Carolina and estimated forty thousand newly freed people get what becomes known as Sherman Land. But then Andrew Johnson comes in after Lincoln's assassinated deep deep racist who had no interest in what the rights of blacks. We're going to be and Johnson takes it all away. Gives it back to the former slaveholders more than that he stops any real effort at federal land? Redistribution but in the end it didn't happen you might say. The political revolution went forward. But the economic revolution stalled once slavery's abolished so no forty acres and a mule. But now here's Charlie Addi. Probably Children of formerly enslaved people making real estate deals with interstate corporations. How was he able to purchase land? I'm curious as to you know back. Then how's it? He even get that money to purchase land in nineteen four good question to begin figuring out Charleena lives. I called up another historian. A guy named John Willis who several years ago had the same kind of head scratching moment that I had when I saw Charlie's deed he wrote a book called. Forgotton time the zoo Mississippi Delta after the civil war I came across a strange statistic in the census records and this book really was an effort to figure that out. I had two questions. Why was it in one thousand nine hundred? The two thirds of the farm owners and the Delta were black and white. It changed so dramatically that nobody's ever heard of all these black farmers not just farmers perform owners. Well so I have encountered one of those families. They it's a family that has the land. They bought Still in their family. Today I give him the quick recap for. Nita's grandmother inherited the land in the nineteen forties for Nita assumed. It came from forty acres and a mule until I found Charlie Dobson's nineteen zero. Four Orlando tell me a little bit more about what you know about the Dobson family. So I have traced it back to a guy named Charlie do everything I know comes from the census records which aren't totally clear but from what I can tell some time before the turn of the century Charlie and Eddie migrated to the Delta from North Carolina. The appear to have been born in the eighteen seventies so again first generation born after emancipation. That means Charlie was about twenty years old when they moved and he was younger. I imagine them flush with the certainty of their youth packing up to track some seven eight hundred miles trying to make a life somewhere. I wonder how that felt. I mean did it. Seem like an incredible risk to be a young black couple traversing. The south presumably without much money or was it actually kind of exciting. Because hey what's there. To lose. John Willis says whatever the dopson felt. They were actually quite typical of the time they were at the tail end of the first mass migration of black Americans. A lot of people were moving around after slavery. More than three million people formerly enslaved looking for opportunity movement was the rule not the exception. We know that they're really three main sorts of places that ex slaves went after their freed. A lot of them went to the city to just get a totally new life others to establish plantation belts. Were they could get work on farms the third place that slaves win were places like Delta places with undeveloped available land. Not long after he was born. The Delta was still ninety percent wilderness and when I say wilderness. I mean it subject to overflow from the Mississippi. It's covered in tall forests of hardwood trees. It's still got black bears and panthers roaming around and what's been going on throughout his life by the time he buys. That land is that black farmers have been moving in and working their way up from renting and often to being able to own their land. And it's a weird situation. It's not like any other part of the south we know of These are farmers owning at one point. On average one hundred eighty acres at another point The average was one hundred sixty acres. These are sizeable plots of land. And this was the most fertile land known anywhere on the Earth. And if you were able to gain control of some of this land you had a good chance to be able to support yourself and maybe maybe buy more but still how in the hell did two thirds of this fertile land ended up in the hands of black owners like Charlie and Addie answer and I did not see. This coming is tax policy. That's next that was key right the host of the United States of anxiety from WNYC studios to learn more about what Kai found in the Mississippi. Delta go subscribe to the United States of anxiety wherever you get your podcasts.
Hell On Earth: The Timeline & The Clown In America And Handler Lester Roloff.
"Do you feel as if reality has been altered at something? Or someone has interfered with our collective present moment. Then this is the podcast for you. This is the sound of duality. This has the sound of Dean T- molecule as it travels through your body opening you to the knowledge that you seek. It's also the sound of sheep and bliss wandering this universe and the concept of Saunder as you play a lead role created by these two states of being full of view and take a seat. This is a podcast of all touch. And all you see the guests. Are everything in between enjoy. The ride. Enjoy the duality of each state of being and the very thin line between each all right. Everybody this is drew and this is the pull up a pew podcast. Sorry it's been so long but there's been quite a bit of Things going on personally obviously in the world at the moment with US dealing with the corona virus and south which comes with this. So it's you know makes it a little bit more difficult to get people together. You know to do anything Within a you know the space together where we have to do it. Separately then he got to get everybody coordinated Not to mention that Jessica was unable to continue on. Fortunately she had a major medical Emergency and I don't want to really get into the personal issues of it but it was apparently very serious But I also just you know again. Probably it's paranoia but I find it very suspicious that this episode occurred while we were doing this podcast which is really about my own life. Her life other people that went through this hell on earth as we literally call it. Which is which is what it is. Okay if there's no other words to Really describe it so I've been in contact with quite a few more people You know that have joined the facebook page. I invite everybody to please go to the pool. Up a Pew Pied Cast facebook page Join up in there and we can discuss. I'm still looking for more people. They'll begin interview Because you know we're talking thousands upon thousands of people. It's just unfortunate because a lot of them as I've said before are just so mentally drained They are psychologically destroyed that they can't even leave their own homes. Forget the virus talking about even before this that. They can't leave their homes. Their agoraphobia is they are completely and utterly depressed a lot of them suicidal. I've mentioned that I lost a few friends to suicide. Not long after the raid had occurred and and we were back home here in south Florida and so it took me a long time as mentioned On the first podcast or maybe on the second one but on being able to deal with these issues I kinda just put them in the back of my mind but it for sure had an effect on everything moving forward in my life whether it was the last high school. I had to go to Before graduation which was the fourth And obviously you know help after escaping the Bethel boys home called there is no other word In fact if you do any research and that's what we're GONNA do today. I'm actually GONNA throw at you a massive amount of information and cited material so that you know the couple of naysayers here and there that I've already figured out are either friends with you know the fountains or are completely instill programmed brainwashed because they knew what they were doing this. This was not some podunk operation. But would I have figured out on my own and I'm going to say a allegedly because I cannot prove this but that the fountains were patsies and all of this they you know from Herman's own admission of being here went attic pickup off the streets By Lester Roloff. And had his entire life turned around brought to the Lord and the Lord spoke to him and you know brought him in the direction of creating these youth ministries but none of that applies to him. It was all through Lester. Roloff going all the way back into the nineteen forties and then before that we have and other massively tragic incident here up in North Florida where the graves of hundreds of boys have been found from a youth facility for around the turn of the century. Then moving into the teens twenties thirties forties That were you know. Obviously physically abused or tortured to kill. But a lot of you I just don't want to really get into that right now. But so you can look that up on your own yeah There's plenty of news articles concerning that so anyways roloff had mingled with some of the people that had run that location so he'd learned from from this place obviously the evil that he was going to spread throughout the Well the United States and beyond even to other countries as gonNA explain a little bit later on but let me just give you a couple just a little bit of a time line here. Nineteen forty four Roloff. Starts his radio. Ministry family. Altar program was the name of it. Nineteen forty six. He founded the Park Avenue Christian Day School in one thousand nine hundred fifty four. He Purchases K. W. B. U. radio station in fifty six. The city of refuge opens in Lexington and as far as men and boys in Nineteen fifty seven the jubilee home for women opens in Texas And I'm sorry I meant to say between forty four and fifty six. Those were Amends institution that he had opened their in Lexington. The city of refuge in nineteen fifty eight. The Lighthouse Ministry opens on the Gulf coast waterway in sixty four. The city of refuge located near Rio Grande Valley. Sit Up and sixty six. The city of refuge grew older men. Moved to Culloden Georgia. The younger boys remained in the Rio Grande Valley in nineteen sixty eight. The one you guys have already heard about the Rebecca home for girls in Corpus Christi Texas. It's open sixty eight. The Bethesda home for girls in Hattiesburg Mississippi is open. And if you notice that those two together important from Texas to Mississippi is a reason for that in sixty nine the people's Baptist Church was founded all of the homes were moved to the six hundred acres that Roloff purchased upon the erection of the new buildings. In Two thousand eleven the Roloff Ministries are still an operation. Okay so I'm GonNa go through this. It's kind of haphazard. Okay and I apologize for that but there's really no other way to explain this just because of the amount of information here is overwhelming. So let's just start year nineteen seventy-one Roloff oppose the Texas Department of Public Welfare. Which was the Texas Department of Human Services? Rohloff would not comply with orders to have the Rebecca and anchor homes licensed and conforming to the department secular regulations to avoid closure role oftens associates oppose the order. Considering it a breach of church and state separation. The controversy resulted in charges of neglect and brutality. So even going back then. But that's of course. Only what had been figured out as far as the government is concerned or or anybody of any type of authority. This abuse. Brutality had been going on since the forties fifties sixties in seventy six the Texas Childcare Licensing Act became law stating that children under eighteen must be placed in childcare facilities licensed by the age s Roloff and his supporters again refused to comply and despite favorable reports and the facilities by Attorney General John Hill. I wanted to keep remembering these names of people here. She's me within government that helped Roloff along the way. And there's a huge reason for this so the facilities and again attorney John Hill and state welfare inspectors. Dhs served a restraining order in. May of that year even it's in conflict Wiley. Fate Cameron of the Roloff Homes New Beginnings. They started off in nineteen seventy million. Fake Cameron run the Rebecca home for less Roloff. So they start running that that home that we've spoken up before in Nineteen eighty-two upon roelofs death which we're GonNa talk about the cameras takeover completely in nineteen eighty-five cameras move the Rebecca home for girls and anchor home for boys to Missouri in one thousand nine hundred eighty six George Bush governor of Texas invited Wylie Cameron to Texas to meet with his faith based Committee. Bush introduces faith based initiative. Cameron joined the Board of Directors of T. A. C. C. A. Which is the Texas Organization is Christian childcare agencies in roll-off schools became accredited? The Rebecca home was moved back from Missouri to Texas Soon Cameron. Schools are back in trouble for allegations of child abuse. Oh yeah go figure right. But that is key. Okay that George. Bush allowed him to come back to Texas and operate without being regulated. You must make note of that because everything that I'm explained to you now not only applies to today. But there's this massive web everybody Occa- that you know even includes Epstein and Weinstein. What occurred out in Hollywood with the children there? These schools are operating for children. And what were the facilities truly operating as I've always mentioned about the compartmentalization about certain people within each group home only knowing what they need to know on a need to know basis and then of course have people up the top that were dealing directly with the politicians that were allowing them to operate without any licensing all the way to George Bush who obviously became the president of the United States because there are an incredible amount of stories of men that when they were kids and had belonged to some of these groups found themselves drugged and woken up on a plane flying to either different states governors mansions or to the White House. And this is fact. You can look this up. There were many many quote parties thrown at the White House during different administrations that occurred boys under the age of eighteen now. They didn't explain why they would be there At least that I can remember. Maybe they had made up some type of Excuse that the boys were receiving some kind of award or I don't know but look. They were brought there for a reason. And if any of you have been following along and understand what you're hearing and what you're listening to hear. These parties were put on for Congressman for different people And forced to use the word allegedly sexually abused while at these parties Enact these locations which went on and on and on with the Bethel Baptist boys and girls home really becoming the combination the crown jewel within all of these different operations that got close and then opened then moved but they moved a lot of them to Mississippi. Like I told you before because of the laws because Mississippi and some of these different states you could sign over your child and it literally was like an adoption like it stood up in the same Legality of giving your child over to an organization or somebody else as long as you signed The you know the paperwork you essentially were signing your child over and it was the same as an adoption. So that organization had full control over everything in anything that occurred to you and they were able to use corporal corporal punishment against you now. I wish he was only corporal punishment. I mean that's nothing. That's that's child's play anyways. Let's let's move on here. So Cameron was jailed for refusing to turn over records to investigators. His wife Faye was barred for life from working with kids in Texas half the detain girls were sent home to their parents. The other half packed up and moved back to Missouri. To boarding and IMPR- improvised dormitory on the property of an unfilled unaffiliated yet similar home for troubled boys while looking for a new permanent location to resume operations. I mean just that paragraph alone is creepy In two thousand one. The Cameron's purchase property in pace Florida. Another state where they could operate without regulation or interference under the umbrella of the floored Association of Christian childcare agencies so again the connection between religion and these face based organization because then they would be able to fall under the guise again of being non-profit. They're unregulated They could get away with so much Again take the boys take the girls and pretty much. Use Them for anything they want. And in today's Day and age even have these operations working underneath what are called Wasp programs not just in the United States which there are thousands of them but outside of the United States and I am getting ahead of myself but I just wanted to mention that that we will get to that so these organizations are still operating. Now they're not to the degree of battle with everything that occurred there. Like I said it culminated there. That's crown jewel. These other organizations learn to use the healthcare system and You know military tight school in as far as organization is the way that we would file Again using religion as a Facade so then we have the Bob and Betty Willis Bethesda home for girls which was established in nineteen sixty seven dope in in Hattiesburg Mississippi again. Mississippi Burton Dorothy Barnwell. Operate it. In nineteen seventy Bob and Betty Willis take over running the girls home in nineteen eighty two. It's the potential home for girls. Pregnant girls were beaten and ridiculed for having sex out of wedlock. You can look this up. It was on a New York. Times article back from one thousand nine hundred eighty two march fifth Homes for inmates. Tell of beatings. I'm sorry I've acce inmates Tele beating so this acidy with the The girls there that were being kept nine hundred ninety. Two a lawsuit filed against Willis for beating pregnant girls former residents of quote Christian home for troubled girls asserted in the lawsuit that they were beaten denied adequate meals and brainwashed. Of course I mean that. Is the main thread going through everything here about becoming programmed which was invented and used to great success by the three letter agencies? Okay I I don't even want to mention the names we're GonNa get flagged so but you can pretty much guests who I'm talking about when you talk about M. K. Ultra. Which of course used to be a so called conspiracy theory until it came out Under Foia Act that it indeed occurred and was all real. So y'all need to understand that These things occur and a lot of people want to look the other way this because they're so horrific just like the things going on today between our government the deep state and a lot of what again is going on with the connection between Epstein. The you know horrific people out of Hollywood the Patios out there which Corey Feldman was brave enough to point out all of them. The man is not lying is best. Friend Corey Haim great actor. Another kid again committed suicide because of this. He just didn't do it because he felt like it. He did it because he was sexually abused to the point that again you was Adelaide Using drugs he just couldn't deal with it just like anybody. Also it'd be in that situation and Feldman tried to put out a free movie It was even streaming. This was recent and they shut it down because he accused Charlie Sheen of being one of the people. And I have a feeling that was a group that Shut down the stream so nobody could see the actual movie which is a shame. So but I'm sure they'll get back up for people to watch fusing and again you. Just gotTa keep moving that same situation over into politics and then over into the elites like the epsteins and many people that you would have no idea because you think that they are somebody that they are not and that's because they are actors they are acting. That is what they do for a living is to lie to you in essence when they are acting in a movie so. I hope you understand the direct correlation of. What's going on so anytime you hear them. Speaking during an interview you have no idea if they are playing a role that they are making up which usually have the time. They are because a lot of amused method acting. And it's very difficult to get out of method acting even to move into another role. It takes them a long period of time and a lot of people that are Christian claim that this is them being inundated with spirits and demons. He not take over their body. I can't speak to that. Don't know anything about that but it certainly you know look. I would say this. They certainly looked that way. That's for sure. And if you notice a lot of them aren't looking too good right now. They're looking a little bit sick in not even talking about corona virus sick. There's something going on there. I think a lot of you should notice make note of and we might actually find out about some of that. You know what's what's going on there. Anyway let's get back to the the story in the time line here so in one thousand nine hundred five. The Bethesda. Home for girls closes in eighty five. Ob- and Betty Willis overlooked another abusive boarding school called the Christian Life Boarding Academy we think just sprout up like weeds in eighty seven Christian life boarding academy closed for abuse. But was it open for two years? Bob and Betty Willis then have the Mountain Park Academy in Eighty Seven. Bob and Betty Willis Open that Mountain Park Wayne County. Missouri is where it was willing to open the park sometime after he began buying the schools. One hundred and sixty four acre tract in Wayne County in August of eighty seven until that year he had operated the Christian Life Boarding Academy south of Hattiesburg Mississippi. So there's a bunch of cited articles here that I'll put in the show notes for anybody to look up so that they understand everything you're being told here is cited and true Backed up by many people and have court cases cited so on and so forth. So there's there's no more than anybody can say as far as this stuff not being true. The abuse Both physically and sexually You know being flown around which I'm going to get to you here in a moment And as far as what was going on with the compartmentalization within the different groups between the people that were there that heads of different departments. You know the left hand wouldn't know what the right hand was doing that. Some of them were just really actually thought it was true that they were just kinda there for a You know fire and brimstone type preaching Home for Wayward Children That they would use corporal punishment Blah Blah Blah and. That's the role they fill but they didn't understand what was going on behind their back where the younger children were being taken in flown to these different locations and used for. Let's use your own imagination but you can find these Interviews all over the place. You can probably still find some on Youtube. But of course they've taken the majority if not all of them down by now you might still be able to find a few but outlived. Leave that to you But please try. You should be able to find information online. And that's all you have to do is look up Boys and young girls Speak of being brought to you either governors mansions or to the White House for specific parties. Where they were abused Annual find a lot more information than you probably WanNa find so now we have the McNamara's both former residents of the roloff homes for adults took over the Rebecca home. After graduating the roll off program. Get graduating network. So of course. Now you have people that are already programmed and completely brainwash taking over the schools which makes sense because that's the best way to keep the lies moving forward and to again keep law enforcement department of Health Services within all the different states not understanding. What's going on? They might hear something going on at one school. They go there and they've already been tipped off. Believe me because people in local government and again that were getting use of these facilities would know what's going on. They would tick them off so they could pretty much do whatever. They wanted on the property by making changes. Let's say they're moving. Certain articles or property or people so in two thousand one the legislation allowing private faith-based homes to operate without state regulation came up for renewal and was not renewed Cameron close to home rather than accept the state regulation oversight and to avoid legal implications in association with the Old Rebecca home. The McNamara's in Cameron's assumed independence from the people's Baptist. Church renaming the home. New Beginnings Girls Academy just another one and another name. Wylie Cameron remained president but had little to do with daily operations of the renamed home McNamara and his wife remained as non site directors. Eventually Wylie Cameron resigned his position. Giving the McNamara's full control in two thousand and seven abuse allegations began to surface at New Beginnings Prompting Investigations. The home was moved from Pace Florida to the Russell Missouri to evade state interference. I apologize if I completely messed up the lever sell. I think it's loud Russell. Anyways either way Missouri to evade state interference and expand their enterprise. Shortly after moving. They also began admitting teenage boys. This is in two thousand seven folks so now let's move on to the Jack. Patterson Reclamation Ranch and seventy two patterson meets Roloff in seventy two again patterson becomes employed by Roelof at the Lighthouse Academy in Corpus Christi Texas. He stays there for three years in seventy five after he's been programmed. Patterson opens up the Reclamation Ranch Empire Alabama he also opens the Rachel Academy in a nearby county in two thousand and eleven. Jack Patterson is still in operation at his new location. Why do you think these places are still operating? They could only be operating if they have specific political fake years throughout time and again. Most of your Congressman Women State Senators have been in their positions of power for many decades. Because we are complete and utter morons for continuing to elect the same people over and over and over again. You don't even think about it. You just walk into the stall like the sheep that we are and just click on the same person I mean. And that's how they get away with this and that's why they have tens of millions not hundreds of millions of dollars in their bank accounts. Just look it up. Folks they walk in there with you. Know fifteen thousand dollars in their bank account and then within a few years they literally have tens of millions of dollars that happens by being paid off by organizations like this or political action committees called packs. I'm sure most of you have probably heard of those. But that's what they are. They're political action. Committees that work on behalf of different interest groups. Like the say the oil and Gas Institute or the Religious institutions. Like this. So you're five. Oh One C. Threes and again. It just goes on and on but they get paid. Okay they slip that in their pocket and then we re elect them like the fools that we are and this just keeps on going. So there's nobody really to blame but us our generation from generation acts. I don't have kids but you know got plenty of friends that do that are within that age range. There may be having trouble with them. They're sending them off to these facilities ninety five percent of them are parts of these wasp. Groups are still organizing around this type of punishment and again. It's not quite to that degree but it still completely horrific as far as the physical abuse mental and psychological sexual abuse going on in two thousand ten a fire guts to three story dormitory on the property. Formerly named Bethesda home which is originally of the Roloff enterprises before remodeling was completed in a facility renamed reclamation ranch in two thousand eleven evidence points to Dr Patterson moving to Michigan and reopening reclamation ranch. These people just move around my cockroaches Seriously now we've got Mac Ford the new Bethany home for boys and girls and seventy two MAC. Ford Meets Lester Roloff than funny. All these people keep meeting Lester Roloff. Who Do you really think Lester? Roloff is who do you think he works for? Why do all these people have? These chance encounters. There's always happens to be this one particular person that there's a great documentary. I can't remember the name of it that was on net flicks not too long ago and I can't remember the guy's name but he runs the Christian based part of the government where they have the national prayer breakfast every year and the guy had been doing it for you know decades upon decades decades and his name is brought up all the time but again blurring that line of Church and state that that money keeps rolling in from these televangelists in all of these organizations can that go directly into these politicians pocket. So again they can do whatever they want and the politicians allegedly can do whatever they want with these boys and girls and I have to let you use your own imagination. I unfortunately can't describe any of it but again you can go and look up the different people that have made the claims and hear them yourself word for word. These people are not lying. There are not making up these stories. This all occurred as spoken today by me and as retold in the stories from these kids that you can go and what these kids actually these adults now. So in seventy two after being ordained into the ministry by Roelof Ford opens the new home for wayward girls in Arcadia Louisiana in nineteen seventy-eight Mac. Four opens new Bethany home for boys in Long Street. Louisiana in two thousand eleven ole and King is still operating the second chance ranch. All these places are so operating folks in seventy nine Ford is unable to avoid clashes with the bane veal parish sheriff's office legal documents regarding appeals charges etc are file some federally going back as far as seventy nine perhaps earlier in eighty one. Larry Rep here is arrested at the new. Bethany boys home in Long Street. Louisiana extension of the girls home in Arcadia for cruelty to children then released a fifteen thousand dollar bond in eighty two long street. Home is closed down and the boys records destroyed to keep child protective services from finding and interviewing them the new Bethany boys home is thereafter move to property purchased by Mac Ford in Waterberg South Carolina the appointed director being own seeing and other Ford and Roelof associate eighty two MAC. Ford opens another boys home. In water. Borough South Carolina operated by Olen King in eighty four. The new Bethany boys home is raided by the Colton County Sheriff's Office due to allegations of abuse. Olen king said to be a former employee of guests. Who Lester Roloff as well as a few of other of the male employees there say the same thing. We're all arrested attorneys for the Kings took an hour and forty five minutes. Explaining the use of handcuffs rope end holding cells. Let that sink in David. Ardell former school principal of new Bethany home for girls school principal that's laughable and associate pastor of new Bethany Baptist. Church defended the school and set. Its sole purpose was rehabilitation king later pleads no contest and was convicted of unlawful imprisonment given a two year suspended sentence in five years probation for unlawful imprisonment of children. Two years suspended sentence and probation. Let that sink in Gay Olen King. Second chance ranch in Nineteen eighty-eight. He opens a second chance ranch. In Danbury North Carolina run by the King Family Ministries in two thousand eleven as I said earlier. It's still in operation public records. Show that Olin kings boys home is still operating. Penny Ford Daughter of Mac and Thelma Ford Married. Olen King's son and works at the second chance ranch. Now we get the Hermit Fountain in the Bethel Boys Academy in Nineteen seventy seven. Roman Fountain works for Roloff in the Rebecca girls home in Corpus Christi taxes. Since I explained earlier Herman was picked up off the streets of New York as a teenager by Lester. Roloff Herman Fountain is incredibly. Let's just say of a very low. I Q but the man is also charismatic. When you look at the man he scares the shit out of you if you're if you're a kid the way that he speaks the way that his eyes are again at. It's very difficult to explain what this guy is able to do to you. Psychologically and I think a lot of it especially if you've already started where you're hearing him when I was strapped to the bed for three days and had to listen to him twenty four hours a day each day on a loop about him being a part of God's army with Armageddon was coming any day and we were going to be the army to rise up to battle during Armageddon and that's what was being drilled into our heads as part of the programming Technique and I believe this day that I really do. I've changed my really as far as being able to look into this really drill down. Herman was Patsy. This guy really believe stuff okay. And that's why they were able to keep this place open. Herman was making his money by putting the kids out on. You know that I don't WanNA use the word the word crew if you look up on Youtube you can look up a bunch of different things on Beth. Oh Boys And the Ray did occurred in one nine hundred eighty eight there but you can hear what they call them what you were told to. Do you work from six. Am until APM either sitting on a little rock and shipping bricks all day long You know digging massive holes and filling them back up again or working on the grounds of other people's where you would make his money because we would be doing Construction work or whatever at a specific location and then of course Herman would get paid on. Top of all the money that he was getting from the children's families that they were targeting from these wealthy areas that I had come from Jessica come from some of the others. There was at least six or seven of us there at one time that was from the area that I was from and I don't really want to get into that of about the wealth and all these different things. There's really no point but just understand that. That was the reason why because it was very easy for them to use techniques of drilling into these parents because of tough love and how. Oh God how? Evil that organization is and the Hugs Not Drugs Organization which was literally run by drug addicts and bipedal files. I it it. That's a whole other. Show folks. Okay so we'll get into that at another time. In nineteen seventy eight hermit. Fountain Opens Bethel Boys Academy in Lusa Dale Mississippi in two thousand eleven fountains are still in operation under a different name. Now are associated with the wasps. WanNa make sure that was clear. That's W. W. A. S. P. S. Explain what that stands for Urine. Just a little bit in eighty. Eight director of a fundamentalist children's home and two assistants were indicted by state grand jury today on charges of assaulting officers who raided the home June thirteenth and took custody of children said to have been abused and neglected. Don't forget folks if you've listened to the series already. They were tipped off three days before this occurred by Congress I had given testimony. I was as a minor so that they would be able to put together a case not just made. There was some others as well but because I'd actually fiscally escaped with one other boy and successfully had gotten away without getting caught and brought back. I was able to speak to the Lusa. Dale Police Department. Who are actually very nice. Us showed the showed US books after ebooks of of kids that had beaten so badly. Excuse me it is just brought tears. My is just looking at it and knowing what I'd already just gone through Which get to but you know when when we escaped hours was just smarter than they were in most of the kids there. You know a lot of them. Abdomen graduated high school. Or let alone. Even the ninth grade a lot of them At kill their their parents. One kid there for that. So you had kids from all different Areas of and with different Coping mechanisms and survival skills and luckily the year before this occurred I had done on course out of Alaska on how to survive in the Wilderness. It was a six week course. This was an accredited course. Once you're done you're certified you could actually Teach people how to how to do this. So March eighty-seven is one. I had approximately ran away. I was the first in many many years just due to making one decision and that was to outsmart them by going where they least expect it. And that was the swamp so I had also sneaked out some matches from the from the The dining hall area was a couple of weeks before that because I knew that I wasn't going to run for the town if I was able to get out along with the other boys that I wanted to get out. I was going to go straight to the swamp and just use whatever I could you know. Learn and remember redundancy worked out very very well But we had to stay out there for three weeks and it was only able to get one other out unfortunately so I taking those matches knowing. I'd have to be able to bill the fire on a very wet environment. I know how to start a fire without matches. But that's an would would have been very tough to do And I wouldn't have been able to figure out how to do that under those conditions with everything being so moist that time of year we were also getting rain which is a good thing because then we were able to collect some rain water In order to drink but you know again was very hard as far as starting fires you know is everybody sees on. Tv of twisting and turning like screw the to stick with the twine Easier said than donning you know can do it. But it's it's not the preferred method at very difficult. You can use a shoelace And would but quite a of other things that you need to do so look at the point is I had matches. That was the only thing That I had in order to help us I had found a trash can. Lid a metal trash can lid and we turned it over. That's what we collected rainwater and then poured them I. Would I would. These large leaves that we picked off and unused Like not twine. But I'm talking like a vine sorry like vice a tie the bottom of them into cones and pour the water into them and then we could just kinda set him up against The roots of the mangrove areas and stuff The different trees and the Water Upright is what I'm trying to say and then we'd be able to drink it. You know after that is far as food or get to that but there was a walnut tree not too far outside of the swamp but we really didn't want to leave there so we just did it at night. A couple of times to get to those Get those walnuts but what you're taught in these survival schools is you start with what are called twitty's and then you go up. The twits twigs sticks so on up all the way until you get logs and those are just a tiny tiny little things that used start a fire. And that's the name they give to them. These cute little names you know the twinkies would be tiny tiny little pieces of wood. And then you have some type of Very very Volatile material beneath that like Shavings from from would underneath there and where to start a fire so anyways The biggest fear really was water moccasins or snakes that were in the swamp he got understand again lucid L. I didn't even know what it's like today but back then. This is the middle of nowhere literally and I don't even remember how many miles away the city was but it was quite a quite a distance. But we weren't GonNa go there then you had to worry about the bacteria in the water All the stagnant pools so we had to wait to get rain water that we did collect in that that trash can lid That was turned over. I'd rather put up with whatever You know at wash that down the best I could but there's still would have been bacteria in it but it was still better than drinking the swamp water. Y- you wouldn't have wanted to do that. You would have gotten sick immediately but what I did know is about duck. We and it's a superfood if you can find it and you do find it in those areas and we were able to find you. It's kind of like a grain. Algae LOOKING STUFF. It covers the water surface Looks like a vivid green carpet of Moss. you can scoop it up. You don't Wanna eat it raw But it is very very nutritious in that raw form but you don't Wanna eat it that way because of course again you've got tons of bacteria that can make you sick if you diarrhea and dehydration. So how do you prepare? Well you just basically filter it and you kind of filter it with some cloth. We did with our shirts that worked as as cloth over a pot the pot was the trash can lids. So you gathered that duck weed Hand place it over the shirt Lowering the dirty water to seep through. And then you have a decent amount of duck weed ready for cooking and then he basically just cook it basically in in that Lid and he would kill all the bacteria and again it gave you all the nutrients that you really needed along with the walnuts I mean we lost a lot of weight draws me in three weeks in only being able to do that but look I'm here so that's all it's really important You Know Really. When you're a situation like that you just gotTa be aware of what your weaknesses are and limitations and hopefully if you're with some other people you delegate out to them what might be your weakness and then you do and run. What are your strengths or you delegate authorities. That's what you do as a leader you delegate authorities out to other people you know that they have a strength in You know if you're smart enough to do that to start with in running a little organization if you're ever in a situation like that You're lost in the woods or you're just pick a situation right but that's how you want to do things. It's very very simple. You don't WanNa be a tyrant you don't want to make all the decisions but you also don't want to immediately become quote a democracy and his vote on everything. It just doesn't work that way. Okay because usually the majority of the group. They're not going to know what they're doing. They'RE NOT GONNA VOTE. So you've got to use your skills if you know what you're doing and if ever been through any of these situations like this and delegate authority but you also have to admit and know what your weaknesses are so you can find somebody that's able to take up You know the slack so to speak I so let's get back to the story here so the children were removed from one. Affirmative Fountains Home Mr Fountain who claim to be a former heroin addict as I told you and practitioner of witchcraft had said he had as many as one hundred twenty children. Living at his twenty eight Acre compound outside Lucille. It contends that his right to freedom of religion exempts him from any state oversight. Of course it does but last June a George County Youth Court judge looking allegations of beatings and other abuse which come from the information that I provided along with the the other boy I escaped with I have to assume I never saw him after that his parents came to pick them up there at the police station. And I'm looking for your man if you hear this. I can't remember your name. I'M HORRIBLE WITH NAMES. But if you hear this please get with me. But they ordered the State Department of Public Welfare to take custody of the BETHEL residents a lot of them weren't there though because that's again Herman told all of the kids to run because he was given that three day. Notice from somebody out of Congress and why do you think of what had been from somebody at a congress have already put all the pieces together for you? All you have to do is put the puzzle together people. Okay because they were using. These children allegedly stirring these parties and get togethers Genn. Use your imagination. That's why they were tipped off. Why what other reason would there be to do that? In less those stories were absolutely true. And that's what was going on there and again that leading fathom it's going to bring it up it's going to say it just going to get it out. What had happened to me as I saw what we were sitting there. Chipping bricks one day. A line of the very very young Boys it seemed to me to be anywhere for maybe like seven to ten years old Couple of them that I had seen close a few times Been beaten very very badly broken limbs. None of them were ever taken to the hospital. But they were being marched out towards the back of the property and didn't see them after that and they noticed that I saw that so a couple of days later during the night they ripped me out of my bread. Took me out. Put a gun up to the back of my head but I have to say allegedly because I was at night and I can't see what's at the back of my head but I feel a metal thing at the back of my head. That's obviously meant to be a gun. Because that's what they said. There's Day basically told me to dig my own grave that I had seen things that I wasn't supposed to see. I just went out of body folks. I just going to be honest with you. I didn't I didn't know what else to do. I didn't cry but that wasn't just because there was some tough guy I just didn't know what to do. I froze. I just kept digging. I knew this was it I was going to die and No one was gonNA ever know how 'cause they were just going to say that I had ran away and they have no idea whatever happened to me and so I just remember going out of body and just looking down at myself from above digging the hole and then You know obviously I'm still here so it was still part of the programming but they did scare the Shit. Outta me but not enough for it to make a difference. I still knew this just gave me even more more of the reason to hate them and know that I was going to get out of there. I was going to outsmart these people and try my best to get out others if I could. Because you're on watch there the entire time. You're not allowed to speak to anybody and you had somebody watching you so I had to create hand signals that A number of the boys learned after a certain period of time. They had no idea what I was doing. Then they did figure it out. I can't remember exact. Wasn't the boy that I took with me. There was another one And Again I. I don't know his name because I couldn't talk to him. But he figured out what I was doing. And then he kind of explained to the other ones because they could talk at that point but not relate to each other but they could still talk so they could get away with you know mentioning something so they explained what I was doing in that. I was going to get out of there and I was going to take them with me or really anybody. That was able to understand what I was saying. I would try to get them out. It took me I was there about six months a little bit longer. thank God was any longer than that but there towards the end. I didn't have a chance because you're being watched the whole time You've got the defense is all around the people that say it wasn't fence or ninety. It was completely fenced. All around and to get up and over that there was these Spines not concertina wire but there was these big spine sticking up. They would fold them up and so just getting over that. We got all ripped up anyways. It was only able to get out that one other guy unfortunately but at least I was able to get one out And I help them. Help protect them. Yeah the whole time. You're out there in the swamp to show them what to do and he wanted to go towards town. I explained him the reason why not to because they would be able to pick us up immediately soon as they figured out that we had Made it out. We probably got about a fifteen or twenty minute headstart. The guard had fallen asleep and So that's what gave me the first star to being able to get out of there one step at a time and to make it out over to the fences so anyways that was one of the big things I wanted to mention. Is You know one is the being strapped down to the bed for three days and playing the music and again. Nobody believed me. My own family didn't even bother to ask what was going on and I don't blame them. I mean look at my brothers and sisters. The closest one is is ten years to me. You know they were in college or whatever they were doing and you know it upsets me because none of them asked anything. But I- forgiven emanate. I Love Them. They're they're you know my adoptive family to home adopted so talk about being abandoned I've obviously have issues with abandonment. dislike many others. Do that went through this but I was adopted at eighteen months of age. That's very unusual as well because you forty bonded with your mother and your family at eighteen months and be ripped out of that family and put into another one was terrific I won't get into the again. That's that's for another day. It's actually would make for another really really good show in how was is able to find and locate them without any information and before the Internet was Really a thing You couldn't use it really for doing any research. So there's another bunch of articles here that are put in the show notes as far as fountain is concerned but again it was the culmination. And we're going to have to do another episode. Only specifically focused on fountain the The compartmentalization that was going on there. Brother Owens who's now has some type of Situation Out in California. He's running some grew out there. But he's the guy that if you guys have been listening to the series that when he left the police station through the garbage bag At me and whispered in his in my ears he was leaving that they were going to find me and they were going to kill me. That was the thing that actually lasted with me for the longest period of time. It wasn't even supposed gun put to my head and even dig. My grave is bad as out was terrific. That was it was just his voice the way he did it that I had nightmares for many many years after that. And it made me you know. Do an act in a lot of different ways Went through two different marriages. Very hard to keep relationships going Who's very difficult to mature? Because I was forced to grow up very very early very early from even things that occurred before this call experience but in the ways that it made me grow up were not structured in a way that was positive if that makes sense so I was not able to keep and maintain adult type relationships. And I'm sure a lot of you can probably identify with that. So officials say when there are allegations of abuse the State Health Department VHS Attorney General's office and local law enforcement are required to work together sources. Say that eleven girls who ran away have gone back to their homes while the remaining residents wait at D. H. S. offices to be picked up by their parents but again there wasn't very many of them because he told the kids. Oh I didn't mention that surly apologized guys To run away that it was within their interest to run away from the home. These were young kids. He basically was kicking them out because what he was doing was he was creating a fiasco like this. This like herding cats because all the kids took off all different directions. And he said they're coming after you and they're gonNa put you in jail and they're going to do this and they're going to do that and of course the kid. You're freaking out. You don't know what to do so you run so now. They've got to find these kids. Got To round them up plus do what they need to do there at the Bethel home so you can imagine what that was like for law enforcement not to mention that. They were tipped off three days at a time so they weren't able to find the disturbed areas of sand and dirt there on the property. Guys can let your minds wander there. But yeah and that's part of what I had seen and kind of came to a conclusion even even at that time That kid tied to a tree. I think I mentioned that. I'm one of the other episodes if not then yeah is tied to his tree by his parents Just abandoned him didn't want all tied them. They're like he was an animal. I actually got an animal from the shelter. Wants that was tied to a tree outside. The shelter disliked this little boy was and I only saw him for about a week a week and a half and he was gone and I guarantee you. He was sent pretty quickly because of his age to one of these locations trauma serving and abuse And obviously the point where me may have passed away. And that's why he wasn't brought back there so we're GONNA come back to that There's there's a lot more information concerning fountain and again How he was able to put this together. And what roelofs role in all of this was and what I'm serving which I'm sure a lot of you now if you're smart if you're awake you're should easily be able to put together what. I'm explaining to you about the three-letter organizations the alphabet soup the clowns in America. You know starting off and running these different organizations but they did. That's how they make money whether it was drug trafficking or sex trafficking were other things that are pretty much even You can research them through. Foia axe freedom of information acts and see what they were doing as far as drug and money laundering. It's right there. This is not good. Spiracy you can look it up and it's There's plenty of documentation about that. And that's what black budget Funds a lot of it comes from not just from our taxes but also from the sex trafficking and drug running and everything else that was going on and they were the ones that were in charge of putting together. So that's who I believe for sure. Roloff was and when he was no longer needed he had a plane he was flying. So I keep coming back to these kids being flown all around so it makes me think they're that Roloff. I'm sure was using that plane to fly to children to you. The different governors Or the states that would go to the governor's mansions and whatever's happening. There's what's going on there Now as far as the White House is probably was a different plane I don't know probably someone sent from the White House possibly unmarked though and then flew the children. Were boys the teenagers in in that manner For these quote parties of what was going on so I think I'm GonNa stop there today again. Just because there's so much more information here and I know that it can get confusing I hope I didn't confuse you guys too much. And you're able to put together some more of the pieces here we're GONNA get into how it applies to today how it applies to Epstein how it applies to Weinstein. What's going on Hollywood That these places are all still connected through these wasp programs not just in the United States which there are thousands of them literally where they're also oversees literally. These these facilities are in Costa Rica and Romania even over in In Europe some of these kids are drug and they wake up and they're literally. They're they're outside. The country parents had signed the you know whatever it is that he needed to sign and they took him out under the guise of they were going to help them because they were troubled teens. The parents again not knowing what was really going to go on what was happening. But we're gonNA teach you what to look for. The exact things will guillano early ten things to look for Because there's lots of places if you're having trouble and I mean real trouble most things you need to be able to handle as a family. You shouldn't push your problems off with your kids onto groups like this because ninety five percent of them are illegitimate is only a very small amount. That are legitimate. That could actually do some help for your child. It would only be in the worst case scenario and I put that challenge onto you. If there's parents listening to not just jump to pushing them off onto somebody else because believe me. Something bad is going to happen to them. Statistically speaking because there's so many of them and I'm telling you they know how to work you. They know what to tell you they know how to make these places look like gardens of Eden that it's literally the greatest place that your child was ever going to go to and then you find out months later if they take off that they have been walked into cells and waterboarded and on and on it really. That's that bad And worse and again more children passing away. dying suits being placed in the courts with a lot with What's going on a gentleman That's suing in telling you story on a few different New sites that goes all the way back to nineteen sixty eight when he was in one of roll offs facilities going back that far and they were sending them into what was called quote the White House but what was in that White House but it was called the White House because it was white. But when you got inside the walls were covered in blood from the beatings to beatings. They would take were so bad. That blood would literally fly and was stuck on the walls all over. So I don't want you guys to get a picture in your head of just like a switch you know where you go out and just get a little stick in you know. Some parents used to do that. When you're a kid and and you've got a little spanking. You know whatever big deal. This is serious stuff. This is like king like what would happen to you in Singapore. If you break the law and trust me when you get caned You're you're hurt so badly you cannot walk. So they break bones That's the type of thing that when we talk getting beaten. is occurring to you worse. with some of the techniques that the US and then of course you've got the psychological abuse of of the programming and the brainwashing with the being strapped down And having the tapes played which started with Lester Roloff. And how? We'd Lester Roloff loneliness and how to do it. He would learn it through those organizations because they're the ones that perfected it in that time where we're not talking about recently roll off because only the nineteen forties starting this stuff into the fifties. Okay so you would have known nothing about this. This isn't quote hypnotism with which was around back then but those were just acts that people would put on where we're talking about actual real mind manipulation here and again like M. K. Ultra like what they put Yuna bomber through. Which if you've ever seen the documentaries or movies you would know M. K. Ultra is real. What you see happen to him happened to him so no wonder that man fell into the the mental black hole that he did and I'm not justifying him sending out those bombs. I'm just saying I get it I can I can. I can see how he could fall into that mental black hole because of what happened to him during those studies. I mean I could have been a lot worse than what happened. I'm surprised did it. Only a couple of people were killed by these bombs. I it really. It could have been much much worse folks much worse when you take that into consideration. And that's just what was done there at Harvard and some of the other Ivy League schools being done at again facilities and organizations all across the United States. It's still being done today. It was very very big in the eighties. Then you can get into remote viewing which is a whole other thing There was the wars going on between the United States and Russia where it was kind of like the space race but they were Rushing back and forth to see who could develop telekinesis I or mind reading I and they really believed in this. This is the real deal again. Look it up. Spend all day. You can find as much information as you ever want on On all of that so okay. I'm GonNa let you guys go. I hope that helped a little bit to put some of the information together. I really do need help from again. The girls position now that I don't have Jessica in order to help me because I know there was quite a bit going on on that side but I can't speak to it only from some of the stories that I will get into on the next show. There's plenty of it but I I'd rather get it right from the person's mouth for you. Not just an article so you can literally hear it and you can feel it and you can know what's going on and again to realize that it's still occurring today in a different form but it's still occurring and then again teach the parents and teach people what to look for and what not to fall for because we are so easily so easily programmed like sheep you know. Unfortunately I'm I'm sorry to tell you all that but we are as humans you know basically as animals and the way that our minds work and brains work and distinct about buying things. You don't even know when you walk into a grocery store. Why you by half the things you buy will like. I'm here to tell you that you're buying half of those. Things are all of these things because you have been programmed to do so by the commercials that run in their run. The certain way is called Bernez method. Burn as like the sauce. You can look it up And his methods which he took from The Nazis in Germany and the propaganda. And how incredibly good they were at doing that Which if anybody understands any history at all I'm not gonNA get into all that right now. I mean but if you do look that up look what they did. They put a free radio and every single citizens pocket and that time they called smart. That was so that they could hear and be entertained by whatever. Hitler wanted them to be entertained by and then when he did his speeches you would be able to hear his speeches. And every single citizen had this radio pocket radio to think about that technology at that time but so that's part of that method and then they you know took that to a whole different level After that to where they literally get their neighbors to out the other neighbors and kill them in the streets and I mean you gotTa Be Pretty Brainwash and program to get to that point where even fear alone is going to cause you to do something like that Especially to do it on your do it yourself. Whether it's you or your neighbor and I know a lot of people that just wouldn't do it and allow themselves to be shot because they would stand up and know that it's wrong. They would not allow the neighbor who might be Jewish or you know the Gypsies that were more or less outside of the towns but maybe a gypsy or or maybe was closeted homosexual again. These are all the people that were put into the camps. It's not just the Jews. That was the majority but was everybody and so that Aura of telling on your neighbors was pretty much invented or I should say perfected by the Third Reich. Horrible horrible stuff and then we brought ear just like we brought in with the Project Paper Clip. We brought all of the German scientists here and Verner Bonde Braun for the space race and getting to the moon. He was one of them. We gave them all a free pass and so there was a lot of other scientists that came here but also in the marketing and propaganda was brought over here and used against us as a society that came directly from Hitler's Nazi Germany. Okay that's enough folks Look for another episode. Probably next week should be no problem with that. We're going to start doing quite a bit more. Please please go and give us a five star review as of explained a million times. That's how people find us. Okay if you've if you've taken the time to listen just click the five stars. You could find it right there. It's right there on Apple Itunes and it's pretty easy to find. I don't know exactly where they are. But you can also do it with Google android. Just click the five stars for us so we can also be suggested Will grow much much faster because we're also dealing with you guys should know the owl once was lost. Podcast so al. Owi L. Once was lost podcast which were a partner and One half of a tool for missing persons Of the OWL once was lost phone application. So you can get that on. Ios Apple or android on the plate Store you need to get that if you have kids you have elderly parents WITH DEMENTIA. Alzheimer's or you work in a facility. That does anybody. That's vulnerable in any shape or form. Go and get that application. There's only a couple of them and the other ones are no good. This was the oldest one is phenomenal. That's why partnered with them. So what he does is he runs the application. It's free the guy piece Ford out of his own pocket to help protect you and your children. You can do it in real time. Your child goes missing in a store. You could literally upload them within a minute or two and be on the phone with me interviewing in real time giving out specific information. That's even more detail than what you can put into the APP and we can have people that have joined looking for your child and be bringing back your child and putting them into your arms literally before the podcast is even over. Think about that. That's the truth so this is the game changer. So please do that. I look. We don't make anything from this guy's nothing I do though want to bring up. We do have a patriotic for that because we do have to obviously keep the application and it's A. It's a very sophisticated APP. You know this guy you know. We're blue collar people here all right. You know we do all of this out of her own pocket and look. This is this is fun for me to do but the OWL is different. That that's a literal life saving tool and we've got to keep it going properly so you just go to. Www dot patron. That's P Eighty are win dot com Ford Slash. Once was lost podcast. I'm pretty sure it's podcast. Repot I apologize but Patron DOT COM forward slash once loss podcast or once was lost potted. I'm pretty sure it's podcast but look in the show notes right there and please help us with anything. Even if it's just a dollar a month it's going to help to keep that going. In fact we've got a huge added three minute ad That's GONNA be out on the minds of madness flood of your fans of that show. It's a phenomenal really. Well done true crime podcast. They were nice enough. They reached out to us. We didn't even ask. They reached out knowing what we were doing. Knowing that this is a game changer for everybody for the criminology for law enforcement for families that not just for missing people. But we're also GONNA work on cold cases and we're working with some organizations that do that on ones that have the best chance of being solved because we're going to have such a large group of people because it just it just makes sense. It's it's a need if you don't download this and you have kids. I don't know what to tell you. Okay it's not child abuse marketed. Say That that's not true but it's just not fair to the kids again makes no difference to us. I don't know you are. I don't know who I'm speaking to right now. But whoever is listening again if you have kids if you've got parents that are elderly again with Alzheimer's or dementia you work in a hospital For the elderly you And you have somebody that has mental challenged You know maybe with their autistic or anything you know. There's a million different things. Here of people that can go missing. Amber alerts are great so alerts are great but they don't come out immediately. There's precious time there that's lost and then you only get the name. Maybe what they're wearing if you're lucky and a license plate now. How is that going to help you? Unless you're driving behind them literally right on the interstate and then look but not laughing at them. They're a great tool. They're better than nothing but now because parents complained of the missing abducted children and law enforcement. They are backing us. The ones that know we exist. But they're all going to start to know that we exist now and we're going to start to spread and grow very very quickly almost exponentially Dirt because a word of mouth. And that's what we need you guys for. So please go there. Download the application. I then download. The podcast is not like other podcasts. Were we're going to be doing live interviews and as we get moving this even going to be a twenty four hour a day seven day a week deal so even the middle of the night. If your child goes missing were here for you. You will literally be able to upload your child and get in touch with US. One of her host will be on duty and will go live with your information. Okay also. I don't want you to think like you know the entire everybody in the United States all alerted at the same time. You know you'll get alerted if it's within a specific area Of the child going missing or the European going missing or whatever You know because again but if it's over a amount of time because everything is within that first hour guys right if if you do not find a child in the first hour if they're abducted there's only six percent chance they will be found alive. That is unacceptable and I would hope that every one of you would feel the same way that is unacceptable and the way that we fixed that is by downloading this APP. So that if your child does get abducted you can upload them within minutes and you could have literally hundreds of people just in your area within. Let's say twenty miles all searching maybe meant to the thousands. If you're in a city area tens of thousands. Okay all looking for your child that makes that chance and stat go way up as far as US adding the opportunity to find that person to find that culprit. Rustam put him in jail. Put in jail for the rest of Your Life for kidnapper. Whatever whatever it is they did. So that's what we're working on. That's the other thing that's going to become the base core podcast for a Saunder Productions S. O. N. D. E. R. A. Saunder productions. We have a audio book podcast. It's GONNA come out. We've got a live sports podcast. It's GonNa come out with some hall of fame players. It's going to be pretty awesome through a director producer that we know. And then we've got of course. The light saving owl once was lost. Podcast once was lost phone application. That's at the core because that's what we want everybody. We don't care about the rest guys. We really don't. It's not about that in all the Patriot money guys. It goes to charity. It goes to the APP to make sure that it works. And it's going to go to charity to to like private investigators that people can't afford after the police are done in big cities. Sometimes the only have a week maybe less to search for your child or whoever goes missing and then they gotta move onto another case and you're just left sitting there. What are you GONNA do? And you don't have the money to afford to pay a private investigator to go and search twenty four hours a day. Well I'm here to tell you there are organizations. That will do this for you. Okay for free pro Bono so we can hook you up with them. That's the kind of things that were here to do to be a shoulder to lie on. You know we say we like to get out and spread our wings and just wrap them around this nation. And that's we've talked about and just really just grapple than just make sure -cause owls if you know they're up all night and their vision is so good and they can see their prey so nobody would be able to get away with what they had just done if there's an abduction Somebody's dismissing obviously. That's a whole other other story but so please go and get that right now. Don't stop till all of your friends. Everybody needs to get that application. Even if you don't have kids because I guarantee got friends that do okay. So tell them to get it. But let's say they don't have it or they didn't get it in time than maybe you got it. You can glowed the friends child and we could be looking for them right now as we speak again. It's real time. Okay all right guys. I'm just Obviously rambling now. But that was very very important information. Please help us on on patriotic and Look we hear podcasts. Like I brought up before they make millions of dollars. They have huge production companies. They still ask for Patriot funds a mocking out them. It doesn't matter I'm not going to say who it is. That's not right. It's not fair and everybody deserves to make a living. They really do everybody that but when you're literally making hundreds of thousands of dollars per episode and I'm telling you these that like they're small are not and that's what they're making and I can't fathom that especially the ones that work in true crime because they're they're working off of other people's pain and I find that to be a little despicable. There's very good ones. Though I mean I could tons album on got seventy. Podcast had downloaded and I listened to pretty much every one of them. Half of them are true crime. But they're the ones that that do a great job they at least give outnumbers at the end of who to call if you have information or tips things like that. That's what you want to look for those podcasts. So all right guys I'm GONNA stop talking your ear off. We'll get back with you next week. And we'll continue this and The Saga and will even talk about the documentary. That's going to be coming out with those guys are doing and what they're up to over and out on drew.
Jan 13, 2020
"Hello and welcome back the sword and scale daily. I'm your host Ryan Williams. It's Monday January thirteen. And this is your daily true crime report coming up on sort and scale daily in West Valley City Utah Terry. Lester was charged works with the aggravated murder of her four year. Old Daughter Laney Vase Lester. Allegedly spent months researching murder online googling search terms like how do you break neck and is easier to kill a toddler than an adult Justin panel. A twenty one year old from Florida is being charged with premeditated murder order after allegedly intentionally running over a seventy five year old Vietnam veteran finally suspected serial killer Jose's contests is back in Dallas to face trial support. This was extradited from Mexico. where he'd been hiding for seventeen years all listen more coming up on sword and scale daily routine twenty nine year old Terry Lester? UH OF WEST VALLEY CITY Utah was charged with aggravated murder on Wednesday. This arrest is in connection with the death of her four year. Old Daughter Laney vase according to a police spokesperson on December thirty first around five. Am Leicester's next door neighbor called nine one one. The neighbor told the dispatcher. That Lester just come over to her house after borrowing her phone and told her that she just killed her four year. Old Child Court documents indicate that at one point the dispatcher. Could hear Lester in the background yelling. I killed my daughter. Officers arrived at the scene gene to find Lester sitting outside her house in bloodstained clothes. She was reportedly screaming repeatedly. I need to be arrested now. Do a preliminary search of Leicester's House revealed a child's body in the basement and a six year old boy alive and unharmed in a bedroom on the main floor floor after obtaining a warrant they conducted a more thorough search finding a sharp ceramic knife not far from the child's body. They also also reviewed Lester Cell Phone and discovered that for months ahead of the crime. She'd been researching how to kill a child online. According to the salt like Tribune search terms included. How do you break neck? Where's the best place to hit a person with an axe W. H. d. h.? New You seven added the following terms smashing head with an axe breaking bones with an axe and stab wounds to the chest gradually gradually the searches came to focus more specifically on harming children. Lester looked up a diagram of child's chest and search whether it was easier to kill a toddler than an adult. She also read up on child murder cases from other states. The last search on her phone was carried out on December thirtieth the day before Lester allegedly murdered her daughter court documents revealed. The Lady Vase was stabbed at least thirty times sometimes. The knife attack was so ferocious. That the child's arm and shoulder were nearly severed as she tried to defend herself. The blows were so deep. Keep that they cut into her spine and her lungs. According to the medical examiner multiple cuts were inflicted on her. Chest centered around the heart According to the Desert News Terry Lester has prior arrests for narcotics charges and domestic assault in July. Two thousand eleven seven. She was charged with disorderly conduct following a domestic incident in two thousand twelve. She pled guilty to possession of drugs and drug paraphernalia and had the charges dismissed after successfully completing probation the same year she was also charged with misdemeanor. Assault stemming from a domestic incident incident but the charge was dismissed because of a problem with a witness in two thousand fourteen lester was charged with two counts of assault stemming from with domestic incident and one charge of domestic violence in the presence of child. She pled guilty to one count of salt and in exchange. The other charges were dropped. The charge of assault was dismissed after Leicester completed a court ordered mental health treatment. She's currently being held without bail. Our next story takes us to Pasco County Florida. Where twenty one year old Justin panel was charged with premeditated murder later on Friday after allegedly intentionally hitting a seventy five year old man with his truck? According to Chris Nocco the sheriff a Pasco County. The panel had been planning a murder for months but did not have a specific victim in mind the victim and the suspect did not know each other. The arrest report states that panel told investigators that he wanted to kill the man because he wanted to know what felt. Like to kill Sergeant Michael Rosa from the Pasco County Sheriff's office told the Tampa Bay Times quote. I've never worked a case where someone actually planned to go out and look for a victim. This act was not random but the victim was random. According to the arrest report Panella was out running errands in his truck around two forty five PM on Thursday. He noticed the victim whose name is not been released walking on Arabic road which does not have sidewalks Justin panel told investigators the he'd been planning to kill someone and decided. This was his chance. The suspect drove past. The victim made a u-turn sped up and drove at the man who was walking with a cane based on the arrest report. Panella told deputies that he smiled and laughed laughed when he saw the fear in the victims. Is he hit the man and kept driving the victim a seventy five year old Vietnam War veteran and a father and grandfather died at the scene. How ever pinellas vehicle suffered damage to the windshield hood and bumper number of the car and was forced to stop about a quarter mile from the scene of the collision after stopping Pinella called nine one one and allegedly confessed to the dispatcher? He was arrested almost immediately and allegedly confessed to the arresting deputies and later to detectives at the station. Personnel Panel was reportedly lucid cooperative and calm and did not appear to be under the influence of drugs or alcohol. He told the deputies the he quote was trying to understand why he did this on Friday. Sheriff Noko told the media quote there are some cases that we here of the absolutely even to us in law enforcement make us just realize and remind us that there's pure evil in this world. The investigation allegation is ongoing. Investigators are interviewing pinellas friends and family after the break. Jose Lisa Fuentes. DNA links to three Dallas area murders was returned to the custody of the Dallas police department after seventeen years in hiding uh Hey I just wanted to ask how many of you have credit cards. I'm sure that most of you have at at least one. 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Jose is back in the custody of the Dallas Police Department after fifteen years. So if when tests whose DNA links him to three murder spanning fifteen years fled to Mexico in two thousand three while free on bond last week following coordinated efforts by the FBI The Dallas Police Department and the Dallas County district attorney so focused was extradited from Mexico where he'd been hiding Jose. When tests was first arrested in two thousand three and confessed to the murder of twenty seven year old Veronica Hernandez he was released on bond and then fled to? Mexico was charged with capital murder and connection with Hernandez's death in absentia in the year sense DNA from the Hernandez Nana's crime scene matched to nine hundred ninety eight cold case murders the February Ninety eight murder of twenty year old Maria. The Lord's paralysis and the June ninety eight murder of twenty three year old Olivia Hernandez all three victims died. As a result of homicidal violence and police have described the crimes as sexually motivated no further details of the crime scenes have ever been revealed in two thousand Sixteen Dallas authorities obtain a provisional arrest warrant from the United States Department of Justice which allowed them to search for CIFUENTES and other jurisdictions and made him a federal fugitive from prosecution Russian this allowed the FBI to ask for international assistance in his location and capture in two thousand nineteen Interpol agents agents traced to the Mexican state of Leon. They arrested him there in April and brought him to Mexico City where he was detained pending his extradition and the Dallas County district. Attorney's office believes this may have had more victims and ask for the public's assistance in identifying them a statement the DA's office reads quote individuals who engage in repeated similar sexually motivated. Homicidal activity against women tend tend to have more victims than law enforcement is aware of if you're aware of any unsolved murders of young Latino women who've worked as M- SATIS and taxi clubs between one thousand nine hundred three thousand three. Please contact the Dallas County District Attorney's cold-case team at two one. Four six five three three six zero zero before we leave you. We've update in the case of California Woman Ashley Manning who was reported missing in mid-november remember after taking a plane from Dallas Fort Worth to lax has since been confirmed the she arrived at LAX. We are saddened to inform form. You that Manning's body was discovered last week the Los Angeles Times reports that human remains were discovered inside a u haul truck in Fullerton in at approximately one pm on Wednesday on Friday they were identified as belonging to the twenty nine year old manning. The U-HAUL truck was rented and later abandoned in Anaheim California it was collected by you hall employees and brought to a U. Haul storage facility and fullerton employees discovered. Cover the remains in the back of the truck during an inventory check. The body was reportedly wrapped in plastic and cardboard the cause of death has not yet been undetermined. The case is being investigated by the Anaheim Police Department. We also have some new information. In the case of missing Connecticut Mother Jennifer Verdoux Laos. Jennifer Delos has been missing since May twenty fourth two thousand nineteen. She was last seen dropping her kids off at school. When do close vanished? She was in the midst of an acrimonious divorce with her husband. Vote is due lows. Last Tuesday photos. Delos his live in girlfriend read Michelle Turkanas and his lawyer Kent Winnie were all arrested and charged in connection with Jennifer Delos. Murder Delos was charged charged with felony murder and kidnapping warrants released on Tuesday revealed. That police believed that Jennifer is dead because a search of her house showed a large amount of blood has been spilled in the garage. They also revealed the basis for the kidnapping charges against photos was the discovery of Zip ties with Jennifer's DNA on them. This discovery led police to surmise. The photos restrained Jennifer before he killed her on Thursday. Fotis what is do las was released on house arrest on a six million dollar bond. As part of the condition of his release he must wear a GPS monitor Michelle Trudeau Connie's honest was released later the same day on one point five million dollar bond and was taken directly to a local medical center for treatment. And that's it for today. We'll see you tomorrow and until then stay safe Nick junior yeah and soared and scale. Daily is an incongruity media production. 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Ep. 3: Blood is Thicker Than Water
"Retook Chiang real crazy turn rewarded for good behavior with a trip to the mall he took his opening he was outside last time Lester eubanks was a dead man walking he had been on death row just three days from execution press story weren't looking for a fugitive they were inspectors from the California Department of Agriculture looking for fruit coming across the WHO closely followed the case Lester on the bus ride to California when he Reach the California state line the bus slows down order illegally by the time they drove off Leicester had learned an important lesson just emboldened him have you seen this man breaks that would come Leicester's way lester turned up at Kay's house in Los Angeles exactly where authorities and he thought he was caught they thought the the game was over but the officers boarding the bus and what are we listening to we're listening to Darryl Banks Daryl and he was shot in the neck and killed Darryl became part of Leicester Story because he left behind a grieving wife when Lester escaped police took an immediate interest in her it's right there on the Greenie copy of the Highway Patrol Report on the escape but as Leicester Sat on death row in Ohio. Darrell ran into trouble in suburban Detroit during a fight over a girl friend onto a stop he looks out the window and he sees all kinds of Marked police cars sitting alongside the road is largely undiscovered motown singer in the nineteen sixties and seventies with some early hits that were climbing the charts he was a rising star the officer wrote that quote information gathered in the Black Community of Mansfield suggest Lester was headed to the residents of those in charge of his manhunt when Leicester set out did he have help for that we turn again to Matthew. Moths predicted he would go but no one was waiting for him by the time he arrived from his long cross country journey F. B. I. Agents California State Line it looked as though lester was about to be caught this is John R coody a longtime Mansfield police detective is heading for Kay's House for Michigan Lester boarded a Greyhound bus for the long ride to California as he approached the OCCA- banks in North Hollywood California they initially suspected a prisoner served as his getaway driver taking him we have begun to retrace the steps of Leicester Eubanks from the day he boarded a Greyhound bus headed for California and there was a question nagging it Wendy three and Lester was free just days into a brand new life I'm sunny hostile from ABC news this is to believe I'll never be caught and and he says all you gotta do is smile it was the first in a series of lucky two hours North into Michigan she was never conclusively identified but the tips to police about Leicester's next stop were dead on he and in her grief she began writing to Leicester in prison her name was K- banks muster showed up soon after there's a lot we don't know about why Lester chose to trust K. to protect him you don't know anything about him other names penitentiary once that occurred the FBI left and and the only problem it was too soon he hadn't arrived in California yet she says I haven't seen it what we do know is that there was an important bond between Leicester and case late husband the motown singer Darryl banks his stage name was banks his real name was eubanks he was Leicester's uncle they we're family police believe that Leicester's escape was not a chance event that he didn't randomly gets ahead already come and gone the FBI right away when out and Info Interviewed K.. Banks elected for a shopping trip and then luck into a ride while no one was looking a person or persons took him from that shopping in staff and may even have asked guards to put commendations in Leicester's file someone helping Leicester May Wchs Mos- EUBANKS had seven children all of them with large extended families one person fits this description daryl banks's brother and Leicester's father the Reverend Mos- eubank senator they met it was planned out our cudi believes the person who helped execute that plan would had to have known for the most part they don't like to talk about lester one of Leicester's cousins a man named Dana eubanks is a former prison guard needed him to map out a plan and this person would have had ties to whoever sheltered lester after the escape felt that your brother was innocent or whether there was always an understanding that what happened had happened who like Moses joined the ministry he put it simply to me when I reached him on the phone and tried to ask him about Mos- ministers he sat down with all of us and he told us about the incident and but phone in Atlanta and he talked with me for a few minutes John was still in high school when Lester was arrested in a very frightening time for you to be coach and he helped a group called the ministerial alliance it's a civil rights organization with the N. Double ACP after Leicester's arrest Lawrence rawls is now the president of the Ministerial Alliance and he knew Mos- well they fought for diversity on the Mansfield Police Force Mos- was known as a moral leader in Mansfield but one whose personality changed some seventies he was a bricklayer known to local developers for the quality of his work he served as a minister at the first Baptist Church if you give what you did wrong you gonna read what you sell most was a significant presence in Mansfield during the sixties us You know he you know he was very very opinionated but spoke with us at a crowded coffeeshop in Mansfield while on a break from work he was a moral person I didn't always get along with them the greatest because he's a good man we're all said there was one subject that was off limits when speaking to mows his son Lester nobody wants to the need he was guilty and and and unless she knew that he was guilty and my father was the type of person that imagine it could probably tell you something about him as far as you interviewing me it's not GonNa happen now no I reached Leicester's brother John on the in high school age like that we had a lot of strength in family when all this went down and my father mentioned the editor of the local paper Tom Remembered how MOS- would turn up at the newspaper offices anytime his reporters started making calls leather forget we heard about another side of Mos from Tom Brennan who was a longtime reporter and they really was nothing he could we could do but let's coordinate what it needs to did you father say or do you remember whether you have to see how he could be considered a colorful character but as I knew him he was he was a pastor he was a good man he wouldn't perfect calls about Leicester's case Mos- made it known he didn't like it I won't say he was like screaming and yelling but he was angry he just didn't Mos- new the prison he was the founder of something called the Lifeline program lifeline brought inmates out into the community wanted to find out that their son or daughter is murdered. Somebody I mean that's the main still love your child even your child does something that's totally unacceptable that Moses had helped Lester getaway they knew most had visited Leicester frequently especially in the months leading up to the escape indies he hit a -sposed prison ministry which I understood would give him access to different prisons in different the administration within the prisons perhaps prison guards I can't say directly that I know that that helped him want anybody thinking about my sense at the time was he just is afraid they might catch him and tell you he had the largest hands I people have considered but no one has been able to answer persuasively Lawrence rawls not only new Mos- but also were to attend church and do odd jobs around town Dale Forty was a detective in Mansfield who helped supervise the search for Leicester in the nineteen any man he just incredible size I think he was a a I WANNA say was working construction like a bricklayer commuted to a life sentence to then a year or two later now he's such an honor prisoner that he can a lesser news escape and somebody had put him in position that lesser went from death row super close yeah because I remember when you shake hands with him it felt like sandpaper you shake the Guy's in Mansfield police detectives long harbored suspicion taken escorted unescorted and left at a mall to go Christmas shopping ridiculous I mean you just a normal people can't comprehend that could actually happen whether most helped put Leicester in that position is a question plenty of P royer for the Ministerial Alliance James Lead the charge when they sued the Mansfield Police Department for Racial Discrimination in their hiring decision the Ohio prison system and he told us even if mos- wanted to push for his son to gain privileges that would have been tough he could have lobbied for that ah but I don't think he would have had any any Influence because prison system is very very structured and protective of family. Well the one thing that that has been speculated was that most exerted influence at the jail that he had lobbied unless a close friendship with Mos- named James Banks he's not related to the eubanks family but he came to know most through his work as a civil rights nice man you know sometimes mean-spirited with different people but still he was very close family wise you know he would and initially he wasn't eager to talk but eventually he invited me and my colleague Alex Ball into his living room at one point obtaining a subpoena for seven years of foam bills I asked detective courtney about this and he told me the search was supers- to back off James Banks remembered this he wanted those stories to did the ministerial alliance have would be look look the world over the years rumors surfaced he sunk into an easy chair by the fireplace and reflected on Mos- Tabah strange guy you know and he had this you know really really something we'd heard not only from Tom Brennan at the local paper but from other reporters they said Mos- used his stature to pressure the and it just made it tough to put a finger on one place calling one place consistently yeah no one person is going to talk to warden into doing sector I mean that's just a that's going to happen I mean I spoke with another man who had developed I ask James Banks if he ever heard about the steps most took to try and stop news outlets from reporting about lester that kind of clout to to be able to say yes because what we do is if we asked in Columbus news coming down taking the picture whether Mos was protecting lester from a distance especially overseas where we didn't have contacts to chase down those leads if the very very difficult mutation to cooperate and they didn't then there'd be a march right outside their building the next day ten or twelve people and then you would have Cleveland Brennan's own newspaper there was one final reminder that most took the secret to the grave his obituary said among his surviving family was his son Lester whereabouts unknown no I think it was planned mode eubanks was street wise and Cagey and as for where he thought Lester there's mother passed away in the early two thousands police had heard Lester might return dressed as a woman they took it so seriously who pursued lester for decades allowed us to see their field notes and in them you can see they started to track Moses telephone calls now and then that lester had come back into town to visit Mos- Tom Brennan the newspaper editor told us he remembered when less they placed officers around the cemetery and flew a helicopter overhead heaven stakeouts undercover people attended ceremonies futile he had contacts all the world who was nothing for him to make one hundred two hundred phone calls a month all over the world. Here's behalf I don't I mean you knew Mos- I don't know I mean does that sound plausible to you yes but he would I make no one spotted him or did they when we come back the US marshals track down a woman who was at Moses funeral the US Marshal David Seiler as we head to a neighborhood in Pittsburgh we just pulled into public housing project or siler has a When most died rumors surfaced again that Lester would be back in Mansfield Ohio but if he was during a seemingly random shotgun pattern that he was calling every month the detective didn't think this was an accident on what the age of eighty nine I wouldn't surprise and that wouldn't surprise me and I don't know the eubanks family to know anybody else who may have may not have or whether he was actually in contact with Leicester that was something nobody could answer for sure the Mansfield police detectives the name Uncle Pete it would help settle perhaps the most important question about the manhunt is Lester still alive you see headlines Across your screen all day but you're busy what do you need to know what actually shaping your world I'm Brad Milkey from ABC News and every morning we start here it was extraordinary for as watching here in Singapore is ABC's new daily he he would pick up the prisoners on the weekend and take research on Sunday pick up Sunday morning take a church out to dinner and take them back to the ends refusal to talk that caught his attention it was the taunt that came with it person looked at us and said to me you don't know where he is person of interest and hopefully this is a person who saw lesser eubanks at a funeral in two thousand and three advise cast a handful of stories just twenty minutes director Comey thanks for being with US newsmakers smart reporting taking you straight to the heart of the story starting here always answers this question by referring back to one of the first interviews he did on this case it was with one of Leicester's relatives and it wasn't just the person and I asked siler about this numerous times how does he know he's not hunting for a man who's already in the grave siler and you're never gonNA find him with
#1,023 Surrendering Our Lives for God's Glory (Psalm 141:2)
"Pre the WORD WITH DAVID. Platt is a resource from radical dot net som- chapter one hundred and forty one verse to let my prayer be counted as incense before you and the lifting up of my hands as the evening sacrifice. What a powerful picture of prayer of what we're about to do just in a minute from now like we're GonNa pray and as we pray as I lift my voice and we lift our hearts before God. This is not just some podcast. Listen to it's not just some perfunctory religious motion to go through like we're GONNA pray and our prayers are going to be like instance coming up before God picture. We see all throughout scripture as a fragrance before God up picture of worship in honor toward God that is pleasing to God. Our prayers are like incense before God and the lifting up of our hands as the evening sacrifice like lifting up our hands as a picture of saying got here. We are together before you in prayer. This what we're about to do. We are laying down our lies before you expressing our need for you expressing our adoration of you expressing our desire for your help this way or that way expressing our Thanksgiving to you all of this like incense before you let me remind us like when you get to the end of the Bible revelation chapter eight specifically talks about the consummation of God's kingdom and when his judgment comes on the earth and he brings about a new heaven and a new earth. Listen to revelation chapter eight verse. Three the Bible says an angel came instead of the altar with a golden sensor and he was given much incensed to offer with the prayers of all the saints on the altar before the throne and the smoke of the incense with the prayers of the saints rose before God from the hand of the angel. Did you hear that like this? Picture and revelation is telling us that one day God will consummate his kingdom ultimately and eternally in response to what in response to the prayers of his people. That are like incense before him. Like what Jesus taught us to pray? Our Father in heaven hallowed be your name your kingdom come you. Pray that prayer. It is like incense before God and one day. These prayers are GONNA lead to the consummation of God's Kingdom New Heaven and a new Earth Select. Our prayers be like this. Oh God right now we pray before you right now in all the places where we are at this moment some people in their homes. Some people driving people lying down ready to go to bed at night. Some people just waking up in the morning but right now as we pray may our prayers. Saum chapter one forty one verse to be counted as Incense before you. Oh God be pleased with our praying. Receive our prayers right now as adoration of you. We pray because you are glorious. You are loving powerful holy awesome beyond comprehension. You are the one we need. You are the one we bob before you are the one we worship. Oh would you. Maybe even if Lester driving a car or something else that would prevent you from doing this. Which is lift up your hands right now. Oh God let our prayers be the lifting of our hands. Oh God may the lifting of our hands right now be as the evening sacrifice? See Us right where we are right now with our hands. Lifted up before you our lives to you. We want our lives to be sweet smelling fragrance to you. We WANT TO BE LIVING SACRIFICE. Holy acceptable to you. So we lift our hands now. In prayer and we we pray. Oh God what you taught us to pray through your son. Our Father in heaven we pray with our hands. Lifted up here this N. Since before you our father in heaven hallowed be your name your kingdom come we pray for your kingdom to come we pray for your will to be done on earth as it is in heaven we pray for your healing for your justice for your mercy for your love for your salvation to spread for. Your glory to rain for your name to known and worshiped and all the earth. God We pray these things and as we do we ask saw one. Forty one verse to that. Our prayers would be counted as instance before you and the lifting up of our hands right now as the evening sacrifice as the the total surrender of our lives to you for your glory in Jesus Name. We pray Amen.
Tuesday, November 26 2019
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What to look out for the wildfire emergency in the West explosive inferno threatening homes and forcing evacuations residents driving the flames to escape? We're in the fire. His own the dramatic rescue after a deadly earthquake the race against time to save a boy trapped in the rubble tonight. The frantic search for more survivors just announced the new impeachment hearings. President Trump's himself invited to attend the president's saying he loved top administration officials to testify before Congress. The reason listen he's giving for blocking them and the price you pay as we countdown to black Friday. The lavish perks. Deliver you into the store and away from online shopping in this is NBC nightly news. With Lester Holt. Good evening. Everyone the holiday getaway rush instead has a lot of travelers standing still L. Tonight that Snow we've been telling you about as moving out of Colorado and into the mid West this evening after it closed. A major highway sent cars spinning in all all directions and left thousands of air travelers grounded by cancelled flights. It's just part of the triple weather threat. Also bringing a major storm to the West Coast and and big troubles in the east as more than fifty million. Try to hit the road. Our team is covering it all and we start with Mollie hunter tonight. Three storms closing in across the country Denver already buried in snow the heavy onslaught shutting down highways across Colorado as millions hit the road cars. Ars Getting out rescue crews on the scene amid the snowy conditions to rockslides. Shut Down I seventy hours. At Denver Airport flight cancellations agents piled up some five hundred delaying nearly two hundred thousand passengers but at least one Denver resident managed to find his way around in. Kansas is a pickup truck wedged underneath a tractor trailer and Nebraska spin out on icy roads and a semi flipped on its side the powerful storm now heading east. What's going to be bad? The snow's going to come down hard. It's going to come going to come down fast. Airport officials also warning fires of potential delays as hundreds of airport workers across across the country protested to demand better pay and benefits and tomorrow. The busiest travel day of the year. Many will have no choice but to stay put. I'm just nervous just to get home for Thanksgiving with my family and of course that is what everyone is worried about that storm. You see right there is heading for us right now overnight. Right here in Minneapolis. They're expecting the biggest November snowfall. They've seen in decades lesser. All right. Mollie hunter thanks. Al Roker is tracking it all out lots lots of folks facing some pretty dangerous weather heading to this holiday. What's it look like? That's right Lester. Millions of folks right now under winter weather advisories and alerts twenty million people stretching from California. When you're all the way into the upper mid west wind alerts for almost one hundred million from the southwest all the way into the northeast? The Big Travel Day Getaway Day tomorrow a storm in the east one in the West this Midwest and Eastern Storm Causing Airport Delays Minneapolis Chicago New York all the way down to Atlanta out west from Salt Lake. A big hub down to San Diego going up to San Francisco on Thanksgiving Day high winds in the East threaten the Thanksgiving Day parade balloons. A Western chill of flood threat. Making its way. Down through the southwest West in southern California and Leicester on Sunday. We've got a big mess. Coast to coast. That's going to impact people's returns home. Lester Al thank you and lots. Lots of US will be driving over this holiday week. Some forty nine million. Tom Castillo has been looking at the best times to hit the road. Tom Looks like you've got a lot of company already. Good evening. We've already got significant traffic across much of the country. Take a look at the traffic going into lax airport in Los Angeles today. If you're hoping to beat the congestion tomorrow you'll need to get up very early with the kids. A Google analysis finds three E. M.. Is the best time to leave home if you'RE IN BOSTON AUSTIN CHICAGO DALLAS DETROIT Houston Phoenix San Francisco and DC. You can leave at four. AM and Tampa. Miami Orlando L. A.. New York filling in Seattle title. And you can sleep in until five. If you're in Pittsburgh and St Louis in virtually every city the worst time to leave is going to be between four and seven pm tomorrow. Ro delays projected to be two three times worse than normal the best time to return home. Friday four am the worst time to return home anytime. I'm on Sunday Lester back to you. I think for them is pretty worse. But thank you saw tonight. We're going to talk about the E coli outbreak. We first told you about last week getting worse the CDC now says serious illness tied to tainted Romain Lettuce from here in California has now spread to nineteen states. Kristen Dogra has late tails with just one day to go before Thanksgiving a warning your romain lettuce could be deadly the CDC urging consumers to throw away any Romaine grown in California's Salinas Valley including package mixes then sanitize the refrigerator. Sixty seven people in nineteen states. Have now been sickened in this latest outbreak. Investigators still don't know what is causing the contamination with a toxic strain of E.. Coli bacteria a similar outbreak. Last year led to a ban on all Romaine since then. The industry has sought ways to trace outbreaks contaminated groundwater one possible culprit tonight the CDC says a full scale investigation instigation is underway as million. Sit Down to Thanksgiving minus the room. Main Kristen Dahlgren. NBC News New York and just US north of here in Santa Barbara California thousands evacuated after a raging wildfire exploded overnight. Our Miguel Almaguer is in the fire zone. Exploding before sunrise. The mountains above Santa Barbara turned into a fireball. Some making the heroine escaped to safety As flame surrounded neighborhoods more than six thousand people forced to evacuate income for those who refuse to leave a hose no match for this blaze reigniting. By daybreak these are the wall of flames. That are racing through this area. They are jumping from ridgetop to ridgetop and firefighters are losing ground now with Santa Barbara checking and smote the so called K.. Fire threatening transmission lines firefighters undermanned. In over Max. The K.. Fire is burning under some of the toughest firefighting conditions anywhere in the world. Battling fires today cruiser could face flooding tomorrow a winter storm. Will Douse the very hills up in flames. Now last year in nearby Montecito a mudslide after a Fire Killed Twenty ninety three and buried neighborhoods in debris when the sun goes down the air attack. Here we'll eventually have to stop and that's when we'll have those heavy rains and win. Those heavy heavy rains come will face the threat of mudslides tonight a double threat. The cave fire only ten percent contained and heavy rain moving in within within hours. Miguel Almaguer. NBC News Santa Barbara Tonight Breaking developments in the impeachment. Showdown president trump distancing himself from Rudy Giuliani's efforts in Ukraine at House Democrats announcing new hearings. Kristen Welker has the latest tonight. President trump saying he had no role in his personal attorney Rudy. Giuliani's push for political investigations in Ukraine at the heart of the impeachment. Increase telling Bill O'Reilly so you didn't direct him to go to Ukraine and do anything or putting directed but he he is a. He's a warrior. It comes house. Democrats announce impeachment hearings next week the Judiciary Committee the chairman writing to the president. Asking if you and your council plan to attend. Meanwhile the president reacting to that legal setback after a federal the judge ruled former White House counsel Don mcgann must testify before Congress though. He may not have to answer every question. The Judge Writing Presidents are not kings rejecting the Justice Department's argument that top presidential advisors are immune from being called to testify before Congress. The Justice Department appealed the ruling today. Hey the president tweeting. I would love to have Mike pompeo Rick Perry Mick Mulvaney and many others testify about the phony impeachment hoax future presidents should in no no way be compromised and today Pompeo was asked whether he is considering testifying. When the time is right of good things happen I think Mike Pompeo and be a critical person to hear from right away and then Rick Perry and tonight president trump ignored shouted questions about the intensifying probe? Are you going to testify but joked about the impeachment investigation during that White House. Tradition of pardoning Turkeys. They've already received subpoenas to appear it. Adam shifts basement on Thursday meanwhile tonight newly revealed transcripts. NBA official mark. ZANDI testified that to budget officials left their jobs at least in part over concerns about the freeze in Ukraine military aid. Lester Kristen Welker at the White House thank you. There's an urgent search for survivors tonight. After a powerful six point four magnitude earthquake rocked Albania. The death toll has climbed to at least twenty. Three hundred. Zero are injured. NBC's Richard Angle Angle now with video of a dramatic rescue mission. This eleven year old boy had been sleeping when the quake struck at four. Am his legs trapped under the rubble rescuers. Today were eventually able to free him. He survived because his grandmother reportedly sheltered him from the falling debris at the cost cost of her life. This video inside his store in Albania's capital showing the moment the magnitude six point four quake struck twenty twenty miles away from the epicenter. The quake was powerful enough to pancake many buildings including this hotel. The boy plucked from the broken. Concrete Crete is expected to recover rescue. Workers say they have pulled dozens of people from collapsed buildings and tonight. They are still frantically searching searching for more Lester Richard Angled. Thank you for the first time. In thirty six years three Maryland men will get to have Thanksgiving with their families after they were released as from prison cleared of a murder they didn't commit. NBC's Ron Allen and how they finally won their freedom freedom for three men outside at the same Baltimore Court that sent to prison for life nearly four decades ago mafia kept me through it. I sat on my bunk when I got the information cry out for Chestnut Ransom Watkins and Andrew Stewart Role Sixteen when they were convicted of killing another teenager for his jacket at a school in nineteen eighteen. Eighty three the few students who might have information on. The murder were driven to police headquarters for debriefing. The turning point came last year chestnut filing a public information act request from prison prison authorities to reveal records prosecutors say uncovered rampant police misconduct and evidence proving their innocence. So then the day this is not a victory all right. This is a tragedy. State's attorney Marilyn Moesby has now helped exonerate nine innocent men wrongly convicted including Eric Simons and his brother earlier this year. I had it worse but I couldn't have. What's the lesson of all this? We have to not be afraid to confront the fact act that the criminal justice system is flawed. These were sixteen year old black voice. That were vilified man. I'm telling you this is out of this world. Three men arrested on Thanksgiving Day nearly four decades ago. This Bernstein had been my son in about twenty some years. This this is one now. Finally spending the holiday at Home Ron Allen. NBC News Baltimore. California is among several states. TRY TO TACKLE A to growing problems at once. The soaring student loan debt carried by nearly seventy five percent of med school graduates and the shortage of doctors at public hospitals hospitals. For doctors pursuing their passion can come at a high financial price the average amount owed for those starting their careers more more than two hundred thousand dollars a mass from years of college medical school and completing residency programs. It's enough to discourage some doctors from working being in underserved communities according to the chief medical officer at harbor. Ucla Medical Center. You get some folks who think I'd like to work with the. I'd like to work with this population relation but I just can't afford it. Yeah and it's really tragic. And that's why they wanted to become a doctor in the first place but the realities of a crushing debt after so much training and then their hopes and dreams for themselves and their families when they start out Becomes a challenge for them to choose that path the need for doctors in hospitals. Like like this is now leading to creative solutions in California. We have short into physicians. Just overall cal. Healthcare's is a new loan repayment program program targeting physicians and Dennis Helping them repay student debt up to three hundred thousand dollars in exchange for practicing for five years Bruce with at least thirty percent of their patients covered by Medicaid. Our hope was that if we can get these physicians and dentists into the program. They will establish their practices. Actor says it will see how beneficial it is to be in our program and that they will stay on. Long Term Pediatrician Nisha. Moss began her career. Two hundred route fifty thousand dollars in debt. I was willing to go to school and whatever the cost was not until after I graduated. I mean realize exactly really how much it cost and how much you have to pay back. Did I realize it required a lot of the thirteen. Hundred Cal. Healthcare's applications submitted just two hundred seventy eight. Doctors were selected including Dr Moss. A weight lifted off the shoulders program. Coordinators say IT'S A to start with five rounds of initial funding from a voter initiative to tax tobacco. They hope to keep it going. Are you concerned that after the window expires. If some of these folks will leave it is a concern. But what we find is that when physicians start their career Serving Medicaid patients. They they often end up keeping that as their career. The California program is open to doctors who have graduated medical school within the last five years. Just just ahead as online shopping explodes. How retailers are trying to lure you into stores also an NFL star talks about the personal struggle that forced him to leave a game name? His powerful message ahead and we'll talk Turkey with a woman who has saved countless Thanksgiving dinners from disaster. Stay with us. This time of year life gets extra crazy. You've got all your regular responsibilities to worry about plus holiday shopping upcoming travel. The last thing you WanNa do is worry about your home while you're away but here's the great news if you've been thinking about your home security. 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It's an insider's take on politics the twenty twenty election and more candid conversations with some of my favorite reporters about things. We usually discuss off camera. Listen for free wherever you get your podcast back but now with the holiday shopping wars in the creative ways traditional stores are trying to lure you in. NBC's Vicki Wynn tonight with the price you pay This season to get customers into stores and keep them there to compete with the convenience of online shopping. Many businesses are changing the in store. Experience experience lots of options to eat. Drink a beauty haven which is full floor. Beauty Services from blowouts waxing and brow bars nordstrom in New York City is focused on providing services. You can't get in front of a computer part of the in store experience at this north. Having food delivered to you while you shop for the non shoppers in your house. Martini bar to wait it out. Northbound's like my second call. I'm going to shop. At the beautify beautify in Los Angeles Casper mattress allows people to take naps on the merchandise. Something is every day for sleep. I thought aw come to the store in actually try. Now at Levi's shoppers can customize their genes on site. This is or did you want and in Chicago. Lululemon has yoga classes and meditation rooms. I love being able to come in and do more than just shop from inner peace to beauty and cocktails stores finding innovative ways to keep customers coming back Vicki Wynn. NBC News New York stow had as we continue. Continue tonight why an NFL star had to leave the field of what he says about his long personal struggle. A Philadelphia Eagles star is opening opening up after he was sidelined while battling something that impacts so many Americans here's NBC. Stephanie Gospel at six foot five three hundred and thirty five pounds knocking down. Philadelphia Eagles Brandon Brooks is an easy owned by Brandon but on Sunday. That's exactly what happened by an opponent far tougher than the other team anxiety so bad he was vomiting on the sidelines and forced to leave the game. It's a daily battle man I have a lot better with it now. Obviously not having episode you know Coupla years but stuff happens. 2016 Brooks missed two games and first revealed he had an anxiety disorder. I'll make it through. I'll be okay. Not Not Michelle Brooks therapy and medication and became one of the best lion in the league. And a spokesman for mental health thing is to embrace it accept it and understand why really attacking one of many athletes elites and celebrities now talking about anxiety. NBA Player. Marcus Morris and performers Arianna Guerande Lady Gaga and Selena Gomez. It ended a day. You know where people were were. Were you know human beings we go through the same thing. Everybody else goes through everyday issues. Forty million Americans. Please go there off the field. The Eagles Right Guard doing his part to tackle a stigma. Stephanie Gospel NBC News. New York. Next here tonight the Thanksgiving hotline line just might save the day finally why millions of US will be talking Turkey this week. I think it's fair to say that no one does it quite like the woman. Kevin tipples met. Americans will carve some forty-six million turkeys this Thanksgiving and should things go horribly wrong in the kitchen. WHO YOU GONNA call? This is Carol. How can you help you Miller husband answering panicked calls for thirty six years? When I started it was mostly women that called now about twenty five percent? Firemen are calling heard it. All Turkeys accidentally stopped talked with matchbox cars turkeys dressed in a bikini even a thirty year old Turkey found in the freezer. There's nothing that stops these talkline veterans. So there was a family that with gathering they had ten turkeys in the TUB in the hotel it ten turkeys in a bathtub. Yeah no the magic begins is looks like it's done because it's a beautiful color but you can't tell by color what you need is. The Monitor burned skewering time to celebrate. And if if you need a little help line eight hundred butterball then sit back. Relax and dig in Kevin tables. NBC News Naperville Illinois. superheroes arose of the dinner table. That is nightly news for this Tuesday. I'm Lester Holt for all of us at NBC News. Thank you for watching and good night. Hey It's Chris as you know sometimes it's good to just take a step back from the day-to-day onslaught of news and take a broader. Look at the issues. That's what I'm doing each week on my podcast. Why is this happening? Were exploring topics ranging from school segregation to climate change. Well the way that I think is climate change will be to the twenty th century. What modernity west the nineteenth century it'll be the a central subject of questions about economic justice? Everything you care about in the world will be affected by climate and digging deep with guests uniquely qualified to analyze issues from mass incarceration to race relations as you know for the first time in our history at the national level whites are on the verge of losing their majority status in twenty years. And I think it's no coincidence that our politics are getting more tribal. Join me for. Why is this happening? New episodes every Tuesday. Wherever you get your podcasts?
ICYMI - Lester Holt on Leaving the Anchor Desk Behind and Taking the News to Small-Town America
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I never know where you're going to be on like, whereas let's are going to be never know. Cool studio with all these every day. We're like, hey, why don't we do here? Right over there. Let's let's I congratulate you for you want an EMMY last night's. Yeah. Regulation. Was four an interview done with President Obama the the night he gave his farewell to the country. We traveled with into Chicago, right? Went to his favorite restaurant in Hyde Park, Chicago sat down, and we're we're doing the interview of the clock is counting down because we have to get him out of there. So he can get to a speech is nine o'clock speech. But we won an EMMY for it. I'm assuming you won the EMMY for not crying during the interview is that is that what it was. Let me ask you this question. I mean, this is something that comes up all the time. You know, you hear people saying that the liberal media? The news media's liberal, Trump even said the other day said all news people. I call you Democrats. You all Democrats it how do you respond to the idea that as news people? You can report on the news and still have your own personal beliefs about politics that we may or may not really a question because I tell people all the time, we're living human beings. You know, we have feelings about everything I have opinions about a lot of things some things. I don't know. And I accept that. I think it's healthy sometimes say, you know, I don't how to figure out immigration, or whatever whatever it may be. But we're professionals at the same time, I enjoy a spirited intellectual. You know, debate right? Like to hear smart people talk about issues, and you realize often there's no right answer. And that's kind of the attitude. I bring you know to the new set every night, but you know, most most of that, you know, you just kind of let it go and winning right? The other you have to write to do our jobs, it's hard when when your hate us in the White House because there was a there was a tw-. Tweets that President Trump sent out. And this was in August, right? Where he said what's going on at CNN is happening to different degrees at other networks to with one. Oh. He said with NBC news being the worst. The good news is that and elec- key is about to be fired for incompetence at much worst. When Lester Holt got caught fudging my tape on Russia. They were hurt badly. Why did you watch the tape tape? Well to put that in context, I was actually in vacation and got slept in I opened to phone. I said, hey, Honey tweeted about by the president. I I it is how do you dignify that? I mean, it, you know, it was at that point. I think it was fifteen months after the unit rights, and they interview just a rule on the same page is the interview that in many ways has shaped what's happening in America right now you sat down with the president. And he basically admitted to firing James Comey because of the Russia investigation, which is now come back to bite him. Well, he he acknowledged that the Russia investigation was on his mind. And and you know, we it was it was a good spirit conversation. He, you know, in their no trick questions very upfront about, you know, why he wanted him fired. And you know, the early reports way he thought it was a good interview. How do you not tweet back? When the president tweets you saying you we lied as a journal. Oh, I you know, that's a that's a foolhardy game as a journalist. You can't get into that. Because you know, we do news every day that sometimes it makes people uncomfortable. We'll do stories that may challenge your worldview or challenge. What you've always thought something to be right? And you know, if you got the position of, you know, responding to every critic of something you reported that would be a take it down a row, you know, certainly, I'm not going to get into it with the president had states. Let's talk about the journey that you've taken on the news. It's been really interesting to see some of the stories that you're covering particularly with regards to criminal Justice reform. You know, when meek mill wasn't prison, you will one of the first few news programs that reached out to him in prison. You conducted an interview with him over the phone. And then when he came out, you touched base with him again, why it's so important for you to catch up on these stories because I noticed specific focus on this. Because I think there's a moment in time here where both red and blue both Republicans and Democrats are starting to understand there's a need for criminal Justice reform. That's one of. A few things they can talk about in find some common ground meek. Mill story was you know, he served time for you know, crimes he was convicted of but then the got caught in what he thought was a probation trap. Where he you know, you you're on probation, and you do something, and then you're back in you can never get out for more time. Yeah. And so it was it was a fascinating story. He had you know, the celebrity to put this on the on the front burner, and you're right spoke to him on the phone few times interviewed him. And then we were there. I mean, literally there is he came out, and you know, he was whisked away in a helicopter. He was at the seventy Sixers game that day, and we interviewed him within hours of that. But he's one of many people who have brought a lot of attention to this. And it's something that I've become more and more passionate about just your passion in the stories you cover and in the manner you cover them in as well. Because you know, you've started taking yourself away from the desk. But I've also noticed that you started taking the news to the people which is really interesting you're embarking on a on a on a multi. States tour right now where you going around the country speaking to people who you reporting news about which is an interesting way to do it seeing the news as being in a place you making it seem like the news is where the people actually are. What are you doing? I'm a reporter. So I'm always more comfortable in the field. I always tell, you know, young journalists that, you know, this I want to be an anchor someday. So that's great. I said beginning to just, you know, the most exciting fulfilling moments in my career have not been sitting at the desk. They've been out in the field. Right. So I do take the broadcast and the road two major stories hurricanes or tax or whatever may be going on. But it's also important to go visit communities when nothing horrible is happening. I was in local news for twenty years. And you know, you have a community, you know, whether it was Los Angeles or Chicago, you know, yet a community I speak to the whole country every night, and it's important to get out of New York City love it here. But you know, some people describe it as a bubble to get out look at stories that that may resonate across the country, but are playing out in a unique way in a particularly. So this is the third time we've done this. We'll go next week. We'll be in a different city every night, you know, doing stories that are important in those communities, but again ones that you know, may ring familiar to others, do you find when you go to these communities that people hunger for the needs to like, they hunger to be seen is that a is that a big thing where they go while Lester Holt with the national news is here talking to me in a small town that no one really supporting because I bristle when I when people start thinking of this this big authoritative anchor job, like we're on some kind of alter we're not we're reporters, and I'm lucky to be, you know, the chief reporter if you will every night, right? But I want people to know that this broadcasts we want the broadcast always be relevant to be modern to to touch people to cover the stories that they're thinking about and to do that you really have to have to get out. So it's, you know, it's it's a no brainer for me as a reporter. I like to be where the people are where the stories are being made. And I think you know, it makes me better at what I do. Oh, congratulations on everything. Next week on NBC nightly news, tune in on your local NBC station. Let's holds everybody the daily show with criminal years addition watch the show weeknights at eleven ten central on comedy, central and the comedy central watchable episodes and videos at the daily show dot com. Follow us on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram and subscribe to the daily show on YouTube, exclusive, content and move. This has been a comedy central podcast.
Tuesday, March 3, 2020
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Thirty first twenty twenty. Hello everyone I'm Lester Holt. In New York polls have now closed in North Carolina an NBC news projects that Joe Biden has won the North Carolina Primary. A decisive win and the second southern state of the night in the Biden column after NBC. News also projected. That Biden has one. In Virginia Senator Bernie Sanders as expected has done well in his home state. Nbc News Projects that Sanders has one in Vermont. And there are plenty of contests ahead tonight with poll closings coming at the top of the Hour Alabama Maine Massachusetts Oklahoma and Arkansas and later tonight two big ones Texas and California. The rates for delegates is on. We'll be back on the air at eight o'clock eastern time. We will stay with you throughout the night to provide complete Super Tuesday coverage with our team here in New York and across the country. Stay with us for now. I'm Lester Holt. Nbc News New York decision. Twenty Twenty Super Tuesday. This is NBC. Nightly News. With Lester Holt and good evening. Everyone as we come on the air the first results rolling in from the Super Tuesday primaries and NBC News Projecting Joe Biden the winner in Virginia NBC News also projects Bernie Sanders the winner in his home state of Vermont. Twelve more states to go and what will be a long evening. No doubt the political drama taking place though against the backdrop of a rising corona virus death toll in this country and a deadly tornado. Disaster in Tennessee or at least twenty-five have died the twisters destroying dozens of homes and businesses cutting power to thousands and sending debris spiraling thousands of feet into the sky. Some striking in downtown Nashville are Katie. Back is there. And that's where we begin tonight. Several tornadoes barreling towards Nashville in the middle of the night this morning a devastating scene unrecognizable neighborhoods. It's it's released sad. One Tornado. Cutting a ten mile path across the city. More than two dozen people died including Alvie Sexton and Michael. Feeny others are still missing ear so people that are unaccounted for. Sounds like a train on the tracks before he Quinlan Rhonda. Wake is seven year old son when he heard a tornado approaching. That's where he sleeps. He rushed down the stairs with his son in his arms. Let's go let's go. Let's go. We gotTA hurry. I'm looking up and I literally see the roof. Suck up into the sky. We would have waited two seconds. We would have made it because all the stuff that fell in there would've fell on us while we were running. Day huddled together as their home was torn apart above them so all three of you huddled in their preliminary estimates suggest an e f three tornado or stronger winds up to one hundred sixty miles an hour radar showing debris thrown more than twenty thousand feet in the air home stripped of roofs some down to their foundations. A local plane hangar. Now just mangled metal we. We're firm believers in helping others and serving others and the only way to get them used to doing it and making it part of their lives last night was a reminder about how fragile life is that at any moment that event can show up and make us all too painfully aware of this but on these streets with stories of survival are stories of solidarity strangers coming to the rescue elderly couple in the ceiling following on top of them so he went in and got them out. I really think about that at the time. You know just neighbors switch. Do go for many grateful moments. One captured here as bill. Wallace is rescued from his basement. And one just after when his son learns that the house was all that was lost. Lester the school behind me was reduced to rubble. One of several hit overnight FEMA and the American Red Cross are here on the ground in Tennessee president. Donald Trump says he plans to toward the damage on Friday. Let's remarkable stories in their cake. Thanks let's turn now to the biggest night of the Democratic primary season so far. Lester we're already seeing severe storms tonight in Texas. That's GonNa last all night. Three million people looking at severe weather that is going to continue to move to the east for tomorrow. We're looking at eight million people for severe weather along the Gulf and then Thursday at moves into southern Georgia and the northern Florida panhandle. We're also looking FOR AIRPORT DELAYS FOR TOMORROW FROM HOUSTON TO DALLAS NEW ORLEANS ATLANTA on into Jacksonville. Lester Al Roker with that thank you. Let's turn now to the biggest night of the Democratic primary season so far Super Tuesday as he heard the polls have just closed in Virginia and Vermont. Nbc News Projects Bernie. Sanders has won his home. State of Vermont and Joe Biden. The projected winner in Virginia as he tries to slow the sanders momentum. Are Kristen Welker is following it. All Super Tuesday now a crucial flash between PROGRESSIVE FRONTLINE BERNIE SANDERS and the moderate Democrats trying to stop him sanders today casting his vote in Vermont looking to pull away from the field tonight. Defeat Donald Trump. Our campaign is the campaign to do that we need. We need excitement. I think I'll campaign. Is that many establishment Democrats now rallying around Joe Biden Biden is looking for a boost after his South Carolina. Blowout win and dramatic. Last-minute endorsements from from arrival Pete Buddha judge. I'm delighted to endorse and Support Joe Biden. President also better work and Amy Klobuchar. If you are tired of the extremes you have a home with me and I think you know you have a home with Joe Biden Sanders aiming to capitalize on the wave of Biden endorsements Scott just the corporate establishment. That's getting nervous. The political establishment is getting nervous at rallies like this at Saint Paul and they say what's going on exit polls now show three in ten Super Tuesday. Voters made up their minds. In the last few days there are fifteen contests tonight more than thirteen hundred delegates up for grabs states like Texas and North Carolina the largest prize California where sanders is expected to do. Well I would've for Elizabeth Warren. I'm deciding to vote for Joe Biden based on the momentum that he has and the x factor. It's the first time Michael Bloomberg will appear on the ballot today telling NBC's Gabe Gutierrez. He will join other moderates clearing the field for Biden to take on Sanders. Why not coalesce around by walking around me? Warming is facing a possible. Dude I test. Can She win her State of Massachusetts? The Virginia win is very good. News for the Biden campaign remember. They have been counting on those victories in southern states but the question tonight can biden and beat expectations in larger states. Like Texas. And right here in California Lester. Alright Kristen thank you. Let's go to Casey Hunt in Vermont. Where Bernie Sanders? It'd be Rallying Supporters Casey. What are you hearing there lester? The Bernie Sanders campaign celebrating. That expected win here in his home. State of Vermont but that news out of Virginia foreshadowing. What could be a tougher than expected night for them? They need California to come in and come in big for him if he hopes to open any sort of significant delegate lead over Joe Biden some signs that includes one on one contest with Biden would be tougher anticipated lesser. All Right Casey thanks. It's bringing Chuck Todd and Andrew Mitchell. I'm always anxious to know what you guys are saying. What you're watching tonight. Chuck Well Look Obviously Biden Bernie feels like this is where we're headed but there are two other factors in here and that's Bloomberg and Kloba. Shaw I assume you Bloomberg in Warren and I'm very curious if Bloomberg gets to the fifteen percent number in the southern states well that takes a a a potential great by nine and turns it into just a good one could really help sanders expand his lead by the way Elizabeth Warren to she do well in Massachusetts do well enough in California to hold back sanders so it is the role that Bloomberg and Warren play here in either accelerating Biden or or or Bernie or actually holding the back and this is the most extraordinary twenty four hours in American politics with all of these endorsements surrounding Biden Biden. Surging is that real if he really does have a great night then what is he going to do with it? He doesn't have money that's never organization. If he has such a great night Bernie holds his own. Then it means the Bloomberg is down does He. Does he put everything into Joe Biden and then we have a real face. We're going to watch it in real time. You guys don't go far. Our special coverage of Super Tuesday results starts at eight eastern. We hope you'll join us now. The other major story. We're following tonight. The Corona virus emergency the death toll the US rising to nine all of them in Washington state as new cases appear in more parts of the country. We get more now from NBC's. Miguel almaguer tonight in Washington state. The outbreak turning deadlier at least nine fatalities in more than thirty confirmed cases of the CORONA VIRUS. Emergency crews responding again today to the nursing home where several patients lived who later died after contracting the virus. Others are still hospitalized in critical condition. Twenty-six firefighters who helped the sick are now off the job many with flu like symptoms this really impacts the community right our ability to keep the community safe across the country in the nation's most populated city. New York officials confirm the corona virus has infected another patient hospitalized in serious condition. Doctors are now tracing his movements. The man a lawyer in his fifties who lives in Westchester and works in New York City may have been exposed in the area. His family quarantined at home. Seven employees at his firm are being tested and the schools has children attend. Are Now being cleaned. This is a crisis that will be with us. I think it's fair to say not for weeks. But for months fighting the virus and public fear tonight there are more than one hundred twenty confirmed cases in a growing number of states in North Carolina. Their first patient. The person exposed after visiting the Nursing Center in Washington State back near Seattle government building close as a public school reopened today after one of its students tested positive for the virus. Four others being monitored. I feel like I'm sending my sons to death. Basically it. I mean it was just safe. Washington's governor saying the public should consider avoiding large events and assemblies. We are not making a request formerly right NOW FOR EVENTS TO BE CANCELLED. The people should be prepared for that possibility tonight. Growing concern over the unknown a deadly virus quickly spreading as health officials urge caution while trying to ease fear with home security. There are two ways you can go about protecting your home. There's the traditional way where you wait weeks for a technician to do a messy installation. The costs a small fortune. Or there's the other way simply safe simplisafe everything you need in a home security system. 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The sick a clear indication they expect those numbers to also revised last year. Miguel Almaguer thank you. We'll be right back with more breaking news on the corona virus including today's big move on the economy and the run on supplies. Now does that surprise from the Fed Today. Slashing interest rates to combat the economic toll from the corona virus president trump saying the move is not enough and meeting with health officials as his response. Faces continued scrutiny. Halley Jackson is at the White House surprise. Emergency Move Federal Reserve announcing that it is cutting interest rates the Fed hoping to counter the corona virus effect on the economy slashing rates. Half a point to boost markets but investors found little comfort. The Dow still closing down nearly eight hundred points. It's a historic day here on Wall Street. It's the first time the Fed has taken his steps since the two thousand eight financial crash finally finally do what more do a little bit more. The Fed rate is too high. It's very simple. It's too high president trump visiting the national institutes of Health today at least the preliminary safety. He's now hinting. Japan might be the next country hit with new travel restrictions and he's pledging to help the financially vulnerable patients who don't have insurance Mr President. What should happen will you? You'll mystery that whole situation. There are many people without insurance. We'll look at that situation for those people aid to help. Hospitals Care for the uninsured is expected to be part of an emergency package. That lawmakers have almost finalized set to spend about seven and a half billion dollars on things like testing in vaccine development production of emergency supplies and helping states fight the virus vice president pence on Capitol Hill with top experts briefing senators about the administration. Response the biggest question testing when and where. They could not answer how soon people would be able to get detests. Vows assured they're going to get out the door bottom line is it seems to be that. The testing element is going to get more robust by the end of the week and late tonight. The vice president announced the CDC will issue new guidance. Making it clear. Any American can be tested for Corona virus. Subject doctor's orders and that all federal agencies will be directed to review their own internal travel policies. Lester Jackson the White House tonight. Thank you and with cases of the corona virus now popping up all across the country. We WanNa take a closer look at what's being done to prepare for the virus officials. Is You keep hearing urging caution over panic. Let's get more from Tom. Castillo on this Super Tuesday. It's not just politics on the minds of some voters. We will happen Hand sanitizers we will have wipes crowds and the corona virus to. We have lost a few people that were Hired to be election clerks at our vote centers that were just a little bit nervous about being around the public. New York crews out cleaning buses trains and stations. After two confirmed cases there. The government says it shipped seventy five thousand test kits to lapse across the country though skepticism. Tonight those labs will be able to process nearly a million tests this week as the FDA chief promised as more labs test more samples experts expect the number of confirmed corona virus cases to rise nationwide with airlines cutting back travel to Asia and parts of Europe the US Travel Association predicts a six percent drop in international travelers to the US. Over the next three months both facebook and twitter pulling out of the South by Southwest Conference in Austin be while health experts across the country are suggesting all of us cut back on handshakes on casual hugs and kisses hand sanitizers in churches now as priest urged parisioners to refrain from shaking hands or drinking from the same chalice. Not Making monumental changes to things. It's just a few kind of tweaking to to be aware in Denver. Someone Stole Protective Masks member doctors nurses and patients at national Jewish health. The hospital is now guarding. Its remaining supply and awaiting another delivery. We've sequestered are mass. That are around campus so that only stop have access to these mass with supplies running low. The World Health Organization says Medical Supply. Horn is now a problem as the virus and fear spread. Tom Costello NBC News Washington. And as we continue tonight the corona virus surprising impact on children. We're back now with the new warning for the World Health Organization this evening. The death rate from the corona virus is rising at least among known cases as cases rapidly spread around the world. I Richard Angle is in London. It's spreading and it may be twice as deadly as previous estimates in South Korea. They're now screening and cleaning on a wide scale Iran where dozens of government officials have been reported. Sick prisoners are being furloughed and Italy. Seventy nine people now dead all over the age of sixty three tonight. The World Health Organization in Geneva estimates the mortality rate has increased from around two percent to three point four percent nine hundred ninety s new virus to which no one has immunity some reassurance from America's top virus expert Dr Anthony Fauci who told Congress most healthy people get better about eighty percent of individuals who get infected. Do really quite well without any specific intervention namely they spontaneously recover more from Dr Foul cheap on NBC last night. Is that what this is going to become this going to become a new seasonal? We're just GONNA have to deal with. I get asked that question constantly and the answer is we do not know the way. It's acting the facility. With which transmit from person to person makes me believe that it's not going to be a one off. It's not going to be this season when the season is over. We're done Richard Engel. Nbc News London. All right let me bring in our chief. Medical correspondent Dr John Taurus. One of the questions that's been gnawing at me. It's why aren't we seeing the sickness in children on the scale we've seen adults and Lester? Studies from China have shown that children account for less than three percent of all cases and for those who are diagnosed the vast majority only have mild symptoms. Now the reason that children's immune systems are constantly fighting off colds which type of chronic virus so kids may have built up. Immunity helps them fight this particular strain of Corona. Now it is important to note that even if children are not sick with symptoms they can still spread the virus so they need to practice good hygiene. Keep washing those hands after John. Thank you a next. We go inside our decision desk where they'll be calling tonight's winners before go on this. Super Tuesday. Cynthia McFadden went inside our decision desk. Where it's going to be a long night ahead. That's right lest we're here at NBC's decision to ask where there's going to be a lot of activity tonight. John Lipinski runs the room. John this is the biggest night of the year. Perhaps accept election night. It's definitely in the primaries the biggest night of the year. There's almost a third or a little bit. Actually more than a third of the delegates up in the nomination contest is about winning delegates fourteen states. How do you keep it all straight what we have about fifty people here in the room? Quite a few of them are actually. Phd's and the data scientists statistics and political science and they're glued to their screens looking at their models. How confident do you and they have to be before. You have to be very confident. Which means it's we have to be ninety nine point five percent confident before we can call us. Well you'll be here all night. I know that. Do you expect everything to be called tonight. We're not sure you never know. But we're going to be here until the end so it could be. It could be as it could be weeks. I see a lot of girl scout cookies over here. Those boxes are almost empty. Lester long night back to you. All right say thanks. We look forward to sharing their data tonight as we go along. That's nightly news. 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