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Helter Skelter Special Part 2

Cherry Avenue True Crime Podcast

31:59 min | 1 year ago

Helter Skelter Special Part 2

"Today's podcast is presented by pod go bad go is the easiest way for you to monetize your podcast providing podcasters with a flat rate for ad space. So you always know how much you get home you include an ad from pod go apply today to become a member and immediately be connected with advertisers that fit your audience that spot go home and be sure to add our podcast in the how did you hear about pug go section of the application? Welcome back to Cherry Avenue True Crime podcast. This is part two of a two-part episode helter-skelter Special. Today's episode contains details of extremely violent murders and other assaults listener discretion is strongly advised. The day after the murders on Cielo drive a couple of people from the family were watching the news on T in a trailer. They saw the people that were murdered the night before were famous. People Van Houten asked Patricia krenwinkel to tell her more about it. Van Houten said in an interview many years later to think that she was strong enough in her belief to be able to go and kill em, she said she wanted to do it to the next day man. Some gathered a larger group Tex Watson Susan Atkins Patricia, krenwinkel, Leslie Van Houten Steve Grogan, who was then she called Clem and Linda Kasabian Charlie went with them and he told them where to go Manson went up to the door of the labiancas house with a gun. He forced his way in and tied up the labiancas off telling them. It was just a robbery and he wasn't going to hurt them Charlie went back to the car and told them to go in and do what text told them to be then spoke to tax and told him to make sure dead. Everybody did something. Watson krenwinkel and Van Houten went in Friendly go went into the kitchen and got knives for her and Van Houten Watson was armed with a Bayonet. Text all the girls to take mrs. Labianca into the bedroom Van Houten took a pillowcase from the bed and put it over Rosemary's head. She unplugged the lamp next to the bed and wrapped the cord around the pillowcase Rosemary could hear Leno crying out in the living room as he was getting stabbed. The lamp was still attached to the court and rosemary swung the lamp cord with the lamp in Leslie's direction of an outage knocked the lamp out of her hands and rustled her down krenwinkel stabbed her but hit the collarbone the knife blade bent. Van Houten ran out into the hallway to call Tex Watson went into the bedroom and both he and Van Houten stabbed Rosemary. Labianca, Rosemary. Labianca was stabbed 41,000. Meanwhile krenwinkel was out in the living room stabbing Leno in the abdomen with the carving Fort seven times. Then she stabbed him twelve times with a knife. She was the one to carve War into his abdomen Watson and krenwinkel took showers at the labianca house after the murders. Van Houten drink chocolate milk from out of the refrigerator Helter Skelter was written on the refrigerator with blood but it was misspelled Hilter Skelter h a t a l t e r Leno had a pillowcase over his head as well when the coroner's office took the pillowcase off. They found he had a knife stuck in his neck that went completely through the handle sticking out of one side and the blade out of the other. In the news and on T. The labianca murders were at first being called the copycat murders Hollywood was buying firearms and other forms of production such as guard dogs after first-choice murders and then the lobby Bianca murders Leno labianca was a well-respected family man. He had been married before Rose and had a daughter from that marriage still his daughter Louise said she was a good man and a good father pasqualino Antonio labianca was born in Los Angeles California to Italian immigrant parents. He was called Leno by his family his father Antonio owned to grocery businesses Gateway Ranch markets and state Wholesale grocery company Leno graduated from Franklin High School a year early. He was also a star on his school track team earning him the nickname flash Leno served in the Army and fought in World War Two in nineteen fifty-one. Leno was elected to the board of directors and was named vice president job. Gateway markets and state Wholesale grocery company after his divorce Leno decided to sell the wholesale business that he had inherited from his father and focus on the expansion of Gateway markets. He also graduated from USC with a degree in finance in nineteen fifty-eight labianca met Rosemary while she was working as a waitress the two fell in love and were married in nineteen sixty in Carmel, California Rosemary. Labianca was Leno second wife it seemed they had a special marriage. She was pretty and stylish his daughter from his first marriage said that she thought Rose and her dad were very good friends Rosemary labianca was born in Arizona her birth name was Ruth Katherine Elliott after her parents divorced Rosemary's mother found. She couldn't support her children and they were placed in a home and put up for adoption Ruth was adopted at age eight by a couple who had lost their daughter to an illness. They changed Roost name to Rosemary, which had birth First daughter's name Rosemary was married once before Leno and had two children from her first marriage. August 16th 1969 LA County Sheriff rated spawn Ranch at 6 a.m. They had a warrant to investigate auto theft Manson was the last person arrested him hiding in a crawl space under a building. They took everyone in but eventually all were released because they could not determine who was responsible for the two cars stolen that they had a warrant for. The authorities did not die together the labianca murders with the tape Murders At First and they did not tie Gary hinman's murder to either of them. A detective on the Hinman murder case called the LAPD to tell them he had a murder that he was investigating in Topanga Canyon and he thought there were similarities. He pointed out that Gary Hinman had been killed and then a little piggy had been written in blood at the crime scene. They apparently didn't want to hear it or thought it was unlikely that it was related. Speculation had gone crazy on the Cielo Drive murders. It was incredibly odd to have seemingly random murders committed in such a brutal way in exclusive neighborhood then add in how many people were murdered. This wasn't all by gunshots were one or two Intruders would come in and just shoot them. All these people were viciously murdered up close with knives and other weapons. He would think it would take more than one or most probably more than two to do this. There were many theories that they would have to consider. Because of the horror movie that Roman Polanski did called Rosemary's Baby there was even a theory it was devil worshippers looking at how horrific the crime scene was that wasn't some far-fetched idea the newspaper and TV news theories were endless. Of course, the news was speculation of murders being related to drugs as these were movie people and famous people and even a Harris Roman gave a news conference to try and put an end to the speculation. He said Sharon did not do drugs drink or even smoke cigarettes. He was very hurt by the horrible things written about his wife Roman became a detective in his grief. He wanted to know who was responsible for his wife's and his baby's death after the rated spawn Ranch. The family went back out to the desert a pull up. The girls started sharing what they had done. They told the stories as if proud for what they had done for Charlie Susan Atkins told them how share and had begged for the life of her baby. The other girls did not know about this and they were shocked they were shocked how easily they talked about doing it. They didn't seem bothered that they had done such violent horrendous murders. They told the birth family members they did it for Charlie. Charlie told them to some who thought about leaving before this were now afraid to leave knowing what they knew two of the girls did decide to go though. This wasn't the loving Gangnam that they had signed up for they laid down to sleep further away from everyone. So no one would hear them after they went to sleep. They waited to be sure everyone was asleep and then started walking dead. They headed up to the top of a wash and walked along there about an hour into their walk. They saw that the dune buggies had been started up and they were out looking for the girls and June buggies couldn't go up to the top of the wash, but they were still very scared. They were eventually able to find a road and got lucky when the sheriff was driving by. At some point in the desert during this time text had left no one knew where he had gone. In interviews in the documentary helter-skelter on Epix. One of the other girls said she had wanted to leave but there was nowhere to go for her. Two other male family members left with the gold miner at first the minor was just staying at a small cabin on the ranch in the desert and he hired the two guys from the family to help him go out mining each day while they were out mining this minor talked to them about the craziness of what they were believing and eventually they were ready to go with him instead of Charlie. That was their way out. Not too long after these followers went away the sheriff descended on their hide out in the desert. They loaded up the ones that were left in the pickup trucks. Charlie again was one of the last found hiding in a small van a cabinet under a bathroom sink. They were under arrest for burning the road grader that was out in the desert and had blocked their way. Susan was at first in jail with all the other girls, but then it was discovered. She had a warrant out for her arrest and she was moved to l a while until she gets talking to one of her cellmates song ends up telling her all about the Tate murders and that she was there this led to all of those involved being investigated. It starts to come out in the news how Manson is the leader and most likely The Mastermind in the killings Atkins was indicted in her picture was everywhere in the news as she was the first to tell the story and she readily admitted. She participated in the murders took a lawyer put out a statement that she was hypnotized. She often looked like she was enjoying the attention of the cameras. She smiled at the news men and women and had some indiscernible quips. Authorities were at the ranch looking for evidence of other murders. They thought the family might be involved in. One was Donald shorty Shea a movie stuntman who had met them when he was filming at the ranch. He had a disagreement with Manson and he was missing turns out Charlie thought that she had been the way to turn them in for car theft for which they had all been arrested. The first time the word was that he had been killed and then buried out in the desert Leslie Van Houten and Patricia krenwinkel were also offer dated along with Manson and tex Watson Linda Kasabian was five months pregnant at the time of the indictments. Tex Watson was born Charles Watson Manson gave him the nickname tax tax was well-liked in his small Hometown in Texas. He played High School football and taught Sunday school at copeville Methodist Church. Everyone thought he would do. Well when he grew up Watson was born in Farmersville, Texas on December 2nd, nineteen forty-five and grew up in nearby home till he was the youngest of three children in high school. He was an honor student and an athlete. He also worked as the editor on the school paper in 1964. He attended the University of North Texas where he became a member of Pi Kappa Alpha fraternity. He discovered drugs and college and eventually left without completing his education. Patricia krenwinkel was born on December 3rd 1947 in Los Angeles, California to an insurance salesman father and a homemaker mother. She attended University High School and then went to Westchester High School both in the Los Angeles area. Patricia was often bullied at school by other students suffering from low self-esteem and was frequently teased for being a wait after graduating high school. She considered becoming a nun she decided to attend a Jesuit college, but within one semester Patricia dropped out and moved back to California. She met Charles Manson in Manhattan Beach in nineteen sixty-seven along with Lynette Fromme and Mary Brunner in later interviews, krenwinkel stated that she had sex with Manson the first night she met and that he was the first person who told her she was beautiful Susan Denise Adkins was born on May 7th 1948 in San Gabriel, California. She was the second of three children by her parents were alcoholics her mother died when she was fifteen and her father then abandoned the family she dropped out of high school to support herself and moved by herself to San Francisco in early 1967 while staying with friends Susan Atkins met Charles Manson and by summer they were all on a road trip. Leslie Van Houten was born on August 23rd 1949 in the Los Angeles suburb of Alta Dena. She grew up in a middle-class church-going family along with an older brother and two adopted siblings her mother and father divorced when she was fourteen at Seventeen. She became pregnant and was forced by her mother to undergo an abortion Manhattan's mother years later informed her that the procedure could not be called an abortion as the fetus was too mature. She instructed the girl to bury the late-term aborted baby in their backyard. Van Houten said after the she felt very distant with her mother and Harvard intense anger toward her. Authorities were looking for the bloody clothes that the family members were wearing that night after the murders Manson had told them to take the clothes to change into and they had done that. News reporters found the bloody clothes laying down the hill where the killers had thrown them out the window of the car as they were driving away a gun was also found but months after the killing off wasn't linked to The Killing until many months after it was found. A journalist went out to spawn Ranch and talked to some of the family members who were still there. He got the story about the race Wars and the supposed message from the Beatles about Helter Skelter. He wrote a book called 5 to die and got it out. Just a few months before the trial then in the trial the motive for the killings was said to be the upcoming race horse that Charlie was predicting and that he got the idea from the Beatles album The prosecution did not have to prove what the motive was for the killings just that they did it. Manson during trial and in days leading up to the trial interacted with the press and made quips to them whenever he was being led to and from Court rooms and the cameras were on him. He carved an x on his forehead and had the scab scar during all of this a lawyer said it was a symbolic gesture to say that he had except himself out of society at Large. Some of the girls also X their own foreheads and sat outside the Hall of Justice in support of Charlie. Some said that Charlie was The Puppetmaster even in jail. He had Sandy good and Squeaky Fromme talking for home saying all the good things about him. Ivor Davis journalist who wrote the book five to die was there on the first day of trial and he saw a Squeaky Fromme and she knew who he was and that he had written the book which did not say good things about Charlie. He said that she asked him. Do you know what it feels like to have a sharp knife slipped down your throat. He went right into the courthouse and called his wife and told her to take his one-year-old daughter and leaves house until further notice Linda Kasabian testified against Charlie in his trial. She said she was a lookout during the murders. She was only Twenty-One and already a mother of two. She had only been with the family about a month before the murders the prosecution give her a tentative offer of immunity if she would say on the stand and tell everything that she knew God by this time Susan Atkins had withdrew her previous testimony and denied everything she said before so there was no one from inside the group testifying against Charlie or the others. Linda Kasabian testified to being eyewitness to two of the murders. She said that she and three of the others had just climbed over the fence of the house on Cielo drive when Tex Watson shot a man in a car who was driving out of the driveway. She stayed outside and the rest went into the house. She heard screams coming from inside the house and saw people running out. She stated that was all unbelievably horribly terrible. She saw Watson stabbing one man on the lawn near the house. She also saw Patricia krenwinkel with a knife chasing a woman across the lawn Kasabian change when shown a photo of Stephen parent the teenager who had been shot in his car Kasabian said he had begged not to be hurt. Barbara void left the Barker Ranch sometime after the murders after the family learned that she was going to testify she got death threats from Gypsy and Sandy squeaky and Clem almost daily with Barbara Boyd testified that Susan Atkins had said Sharon Tate came out and said what's going on here or something like that and Susan said back to her. Shut up woman Barbara also said that Sharon was the last to die and had to watch the others go first. Tex Watson had managed to avoid extradition from Texas to California for nearly a year. His lawyer said he couldn't get a fair trial California eventually did have to come back to California for trial but it was after Manson and the girls were tried Gypsy real name Catherine share with Charlie told her to go to Beverly Hills Hotel and to intimidate the lead prosecutor who was staying there. She stood outside his hotel room window with a king snake wrapped around her when he came out. She asked him if he wanted to pet her snake. The defendants in the Manson trial had to be removed from the courtroom repeatedly and put in a room with speakers so they could still hear the trial going on. Manson himself had a complete meltdown and jumped up on the table in front of the judge while wielding a sharp and number two pencil. He told the judge somebody ought to cut your head off man. He started out by injecting the opening testimony saying to the judge you are trying to use this courtroom to kill me. You want me dead the judge told Manson to be quiet. He ordered him to be quiet or he would have him removed. The minute I see you are going to kill me. You know, what I'm going to do said Manson the judge said know, what are you going to do? Manson jumped up on the council table with a pencil and yelled. Mm. How about this? How about his head should be cut off and then he said I will have you removed if you don't stop I have a little system of my own said Manson, he then hurled himself in the money towards the judge the bailiff tackled him in mid-air. The judge said let the record reflect that mister Manson has made a lunge for the bench and is now being subdued by the deputies Manson and the girls were moved to another room with a loud speaker. So they could look up the trial as it continued. The prosecutor had other Witnesses who had been at Spahn Ranch come in to testify they talked about Helter Skelter & Charlie's prophecy that there would be a race war Terry Melcher testified wage. He was the one who had rented the house before Sharon Tate and Roman Polanski. He thought Manson was looking for him and sent the killers to that house for him. He testified that he never offered Manson a recording contract and had thought the music was just average. Brooks Poston and Paul Watkins had left the family while in the desert and started to work for the Gold Miner they both testified for the prosecution as well. While still under Charlie spell Brooks had been told by Charlie to sneak into the sheriff's home and cut his throat post and said that he did not do as Charlie wished. Paul Watkins testified about hearing Charlie talked often about killing Rich whites in the suburbs and making it look like blacks had done it Diane Lake a former family member was scared to testify life scared. She would hear Charlie and he would intimidate her but she was okay and she didn't see him the way that she used to anymore. Manson address the court for 1 hour without notes. The jury was not present. It was said to be like a dissertation about his life. He did say at one point that he had killed no one and that he had ordered. No one to be killed. After this the judge said they would bring in the jury and said maybe Manson wanted to say something to them. He said he had already said it he was not going to testify and he told the girls not to testify off right after the prosecution and the defense rested their case Leslie Van Houten. Lawyer. Ron Hughes disappeared. He had been heard to say that maybe Leslie's caves should be separated from the rest of the families now Manson and the girls were having their trial together, but Tex Watson was not there yet. They were still trying to extradite him. So it was just Manson girls But when Manson heard about the separating of Leslie's case, he became angry Leslie had not been at both murder scenes. She was only at the labianca murder and there was some debate as to how much she participated in those murders four months after Ronald Hughes disappeared. His body was found in a river the attorney who went in to take his place was going to go in and ask for a mistrial for Van Houten when Court opened though a scuffle took place between the girls and the matrons Leslie Van Houten was refusing to have the new guy as her attorney. She refused to sit down in the courtroom and she hit the bailiffs Manson attorney Irving generic went on talking for five days with his summation to the jury. It was 42 hours of deliberation before the jury gave the verdict. Susan Atkins, Patricia, krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten smiled and talked to each other Charles Manson smiled. Then the verdicts were read California conspiracy off. Any member of a conspiracy was equally guilty of any crimes committed by his co-conspirators. Charlie was the obvious head of the conspiracy and that is how he was found guilty on all counts of murder and one count of conspiracy to commit murder. The girls were all found guilty as well. The jurors then had to continue to be sequestered for the penalty phase of trial to decide life or death sentences in nineteen seventy. There was still a death penalty in California Los Manson shaved his head and then the girls shaved their heads Manson also turned the X on his forehead into a swastika. Charlie gave the girls emission they were going to testify and confess and say that Charlie had nothing to do with it Gypsy Catherine share was in jail at the time and one of the girls from the family when a visit her. She put a piece of paper up to the glass and said that she needed to testify and this is what she needed to say. It said read every word. Charlie is going to be in the courtroom not listening to every word you dig Charlie always used to say to them you dig. In the testimonies from the three convicted girls during the penalty phase. They changed their stories from what really happened to blame each other and themselves, but not Charlie so that they could save his life dead. The jury decided on the death penalty the judge gave Charles Manson Susan Atkins Patricia krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten. The sentences. He said for seven senseless deaths some members from the family went to visit Charlie squeaky was one of them squeaky gave asset to the group that was left and told them that Charlie wanted them to show the world how much they loved him. They started around the area of whisky a go-go The Whisky a go-go is an iconic nightclub where many famous rock band started out its near West Hollywood. They crawled all the way from San Diego go to the courthouse. There is film footage of the five of them on the Epix documentary helter-skelter twenty-twenty. They were crawling on the sidewalks and the people all around them looking at them or pointing to them. Catherine shares the police just checked them to see if they had Warren's she was glad she had warrants out for traffic tickets and they took her and Mary Brunner in but the other dog had to keep crawling on. She said that it was okay at first with the acid kicking in but then it became excruciating physically and to be crawling on that cement and four so far. The Manson family was most definitely a cult the kids thought they were in love and peace type family or commune but it was ran like a cult and the people in it had the cult-like devotion. They have loved and complete acceptance at first the love and acceptance from the leader is not conditional like it is in the outside world. At least at first then there is isolation from the outside world. No news or media type influence. Just the leaders influence. No books, except the Bible Charlie goes over the Bible with them. So they know how to interpret it according to him then after a long while there's a period of being treated badly by the leader weather forced sexual encounters belittling someone or physically hurting someone so then the individual is thinking whether consciously or not that they want to get back to that place where they were getting the unconditional acceptance and feelings of love that they were getting before so they are desperate for it and are willing to do anything to get that back to get back to that Tex Watson was eventually tried and was found guilty of seven counts of Murder in the first degree and conspiracy to commit murder. He was sentenced to death dead. All in prison. He became an ordained minister. Bobby bussola was convicted of murder in the first-degree for killing of Gary heinemann and sentenced to death. In 1972, California Supreme Court ruled that the death penalty was unconstitutional. Stephen Grogan Clem was convicted of murder in the first-degree for the death of Donald shorty Shea in nineteen seventy-seven. He told authorities where Shorty's body was. He was released from prison in nineteen eighty five five. Mary Brunner got immunity for the involvement in Gary Hinman Murder By becoming a witness for the prosecution Patricia krenwinkel is still in prison. Susan Atkins died in prison in 2009 Leslie Van Houten had a retrial and was given Seven Years to Life on January 30th 2019 during her second parole hearing van hit Van Houten was recommended for parole for the third time. But in June 2019 Governor Gavin Newsom overruled the parole board's recommendation claiming the sixty nine year old Van Houten was still a danger to society and had potential for future violence. She appealed the decision in 2020. She was denied parole again. Charles Manson died in prison in 2017 in the early 1980s Steven K who had worked for the prosecution in the trial teamed up with Sharon Tate's mom Doris long as he Van Houten had somehow managed to get over nine hundred signatures on a petition for her parole together Steven K and Sharon Tate's mom Doris collected over three hundred and fifty thousand signatures supporting them denial of Perl Dora state became a vocal advocate for victims rights for the rest of her life. She campaigned against the parole of each of the Manson killers. Roman Polanski gave away all of his possessions after the murders unable to Bear any reminders of the. That. He called the happiest I ever was in my life took remained in Los Angeles until the killers were arrested in 1979. His film tests was dedicated to Sharon. A quote from Polanski since Sharon's death and despite appearances to the contrary. My enjoyment of life has been incomplete in moments of unbearable personal tragedy some people find Solace and religion in my case. The opposite happened any religious faith. I had was shattered by Sharon's murder it reinforced my faith in the Absurd bird. A separate note. I am aware of the controversy in Roman polanski's Life years after this happened, but I feel it has no place here. I wanted to represent the people as who they were were then when this happened as well as soon after or at least as best as I could based on the information I was able to attain The main sources for this two-part episode are as follows. The main source was the brand new Helter Skelter episode documentary that came out in 2020. It's available on Xbox FX. I'm not sure if it'll be available somewhere else sometime soon, but it's definitely worth watching. It's I believe it's six parts. So it's very long and there's a lot of detail and it really took brings you back to that time. What was going on and a lot of interesting information? Another one was Wikipedia, of course always using Wikipedia for lots of different fact. All that's interesting. Com slash authors Gina tomorrow all that's interesting. Com. Will Jack Folk House Key by Natasha. All that's interesting., Gary Hinman by Katie, Serena. And Jeff guinn author of Manson The Life and Times of Charles Manson mainly as he was interviewed in the epics documentary. Thank you for listening and always be safe.

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ep 91: Today we share our references...(Blossom Dearie, Leslie Van Houten, and more!)

So it's a show?: keeping up with the Gilmore Girls

1:26:13 hr | 1 year ago

ep 91: Today we share our references...(Blossom Dearie, Leslie Van Houten, and more!)

"Hello and welcome to so it's a show a podcast from we attempt to keep up more like Emory's pop culture references on Gilmore Girls. I'm Kyla and I'm Taylor and we've got a fun mish-mash of an episode. We did the mesh. We did the mouse German because it's almost Halloween and I wanted to call this episode Halloween Spooktacular, but Kyle has shut me down because we're literally not talking about Halloween episode. Some one scary thing is so I guess that's that's true. We have one scary topic to discuss today and we've done Halloween ish episodes like House of Horrors back in the day. Yep. I feel like them. Another one misery. Yeah freaky. So if you're feeling Spooktacular go back and listen to those because I only get to use the word spooky about one month a year and I love the word spooky. So good one. Yes going to use it as much as I can today because it's still October. I say go for it. Spooktacular idea. Anyways Taylor I made an observation recently while watching some episodes of Gilmore Girls. I kept feeling like I was seeing the same place referenced and but I couldn't I couldn't remember which episodes or what who said it and I finally took it all came together and I won't tell you about it, please Taylor does the name Shakey's ring a bell. I knew you were going to say that I don't know how long we did not discuss this beforehand, but I might have mentioned it to you before. When I first started me, I only have noticed it like one time in Gilmore Girls and it's only because it's like a very funny Kirk seen that I'm thinking of em. Yeah. I kept noticing characters say that they were going to go to Shakey's it was all different people though. So it's very odd, but I finally found there three episodes where Shakey's is talked about and what really brought this all together is that I was driving down the road the other day and I saw Shakey's Because I live in near the Warner Brothers lot where this was filmed. I just kind of have a feeling that this is the Jacky's that Amy sherman-palladino would have known. I love that do we know if they're really Shakey's in Connecticut? There are not I could not find any. Oh, wow. I wonder if in the early 2000s there were or if that was just a mistake maybe so the first person to reference Shakey's guess who guess who it was was it Kirk know? It was Emily. Really write the person you least expect. So it's in season 2 episode 6 presenting Lorelai Gilmore. And this is the Cotillion not the Italian but yeah, it was life. And that's what it's called worries Cotillion. She Emily arrives at the place and she doesn't like how it looks and she says one of my granddaughter to be presented to society in a beautifully and a beautiful elegant ball gown Ballroom. Not a Shakey's. Hmm. So Emily says it and then in season 2 episode 21 is is that lorelei's graduation. One of her other people who are graduating says Hey a bunch of us are going to Shakey's afterwards for pizza you want to come is that the Seth MacFarlane Cameo? Yep. Okay, and then the one you were thinking about. Yes, I assume is the best nature books art 4 episode 7. This is one Kirk Kirk embodies his vision of dog. Is us and and he meet mean his disciples Simon the Canaanite don't leave me hanging. I say we go celebrate how about Shakey's and then it becomes a whole thing because the town Troubadour who is playing Judas say this says I heard you and all the Apostle go and shake his later works like you're wrong. We're not going to Shakey's and that's what they fight about later month cuz I did go. Yes, so that's the one I remember. Yeah, I think that's where it really stood out to me was because they talk about it multiple times. But anyways, just a random Shakey's to me sounds like the stereotypical for a diner like Shakey's right? It just sounds so General but it had a place and looking at their website. It's really not a huge change and it looks like I mean it is a chain but it is only on the west coast. It looks like I have never been to a Shakey's Pizza Parlor. I have established 1950 now though. Yes when it was opened in 1954 when Sherwood shaky Johnson opened the first Shakey's Pizza Parlor in a remodeled grocery store on 57th and J Street in Sacramento. All sorts of fun things right now when you buy a large potassium combo you get medium pizza for 599. Wow, great deal and they do have to go options so good. So anyways, there's just my random observation from Gilmore Girls, and I just wanted to share. This is the place for random Gilmore Girls observations. I don't know where else in the world those places are but I know this is one of them definitely. It's on the list. Yeah, All right, but should we get into what we really want to talk about? Yeah. Finally I didn't want to talk about shaky. So thanks for moving on Kyla Judas. You are not I can't even make that joke. That sounds horrible. Okay the episode we were talking about tonight today this afternoon whenever you might be listening. Is Gilmore Girls for 21 last week fights this week? Type? AK this week at pants all time? Great TJ episode. You know my favorite part we talked about it last episode, but guess what? I recorded the clip and we're going to play it right here this do you want to tell TJ how you feel? Yes. TJ. Yeah, that's TJ moment hands down. I laughed so hard every time this episode first aired on Thursday May eleventh two thousand for not made divorce and the IMDb plot. Summary is with lorelei's help. Mrs. Kim in Lane work out their new relationship wage part to her grandmother. Rory gets stranded on a bad date where she turns to Dean for help Liz and TJ's renaissance wedding in the town square has Luke and Lorelai enjoying each other's company so much so that Luke asks Lorelai for another date and on his way out of town just asks Rory to leave everything and run away with him. Very thorough plus some rate even mentioned Lane and her mom and I know they're left out. And I love the joke of when mrs. Kim walks in and says to Zack and Brian you are girls because she like can't wrap her mind around the idea of Lane living with Boyd. Yeah, and they were happy to be whatever they need to be with their little unkept eyes that were acute and also Brian going through the list of tees. Would you like long Sleepytime the meal? Yeah, like something oolong how he says yeah God. Yes good episode great episode actually. Yes. It is Peak Luke and Lorelai Peak Dean Jess. Love triangle drama. And just listen TJ's wedding comedic seppi's for the ages high drama High comedy. Yep. Can I also tell you a fun fact about this episode you with your fun facts Bring It On know. I love my son fax. So in the storyline where where he gets stuck on a bad date. Did you catch who plays her bad date? Yeah from Veronica Mars. Yes study done who goes on to play Duncan Kane on Veronica Mars a show you and I both love. Well, I saw in the IMDb fun facts and I or trivia. Sorry. That's my phraseology. Fun fact. I try to corroborate this with a reliable news source, I could not but I did see lots of chatter about it on the internet and it makes sense to me that this would be true. So taking a grain of salt, but I think it's probably true according to the IMDb. Trivia Graham AKA Teddy done was going to become a love interest for Rory in season five when Veronica's birth. Arms got picked up. Teddy done was no longer available. So the writers recast her new love interest with Matt czuchry as Logan. So we could have seen a different version of the show where Teddy done was her love interest. He's such a nice guy character on Veronica Mars. That's hard to imagine him as Logan. On Gilmore Girls. Yeah, but Huh interesting. You know what? I don't love Logan but I like him better in this scenario. I think you would have liked him better if he would have been played by faith. No, I think I like Matt czuchry is Logan better than Teddy done is Graham because you and I have talked about this. I don't think it's Teddy Dunn's performance. That's the problem on Veronica Mars, but that character has literally nothing to do. Yeah, he is. Yeah, there's he's not interesting at all know and I don't think that's the actors fault. I think like month they give him nothing they do give him some though because he has these These outbursts it takes medication for and but you know what? It's like they never take it all the way. They just kind of mention it and then move on exactly interesting. He doesn't really have a personality. He really just like is this poor little rich boy and like you feel sorry for him because of his life circumstances, but like he does not have a personality plus, you know, I'm super team Logan in the Veronica Mars world. Yeah. And in this case, I'm team Logan to what is happening weird. Okay. Well, fun fact were you there about this episode sucks. What do you think of this episode? It? Sounds like you love it. Yeah. I love this episode watched it recently Luke and Lorelai dancing. It's great. So good humor in her out and her likely me back. Like what comedy? Yeah, I think it's great. But there were a lot of references in this episode that way we were a little unsure about but they just weren't enough to have a whole episode. So we're doing another mish-mash we've done this before but we found several that together. Together form a beautiful episode. We think we think so because a lot of these we didn't feel like we could talk about for a full forty-five two minutes to an hour. There's not that much to figure out but at the same time when we saw the mentioned in the episode, we were like, I don't I don't they're yeah so good Mysteries but easy to saw or quick to solve song Taylor you want to solve our first mystery sure. We'll all right. Well, we are going to kick it off with one of the all-time great ideas for a podcast off a visual reference. We will have a picture in our Tumblr and of course I suspect you are the kind of person if you are listening to this should be open to watching Gilmore Girls wage, but in the cold open we get to see Jess Mariano back in Stars Hollow and he is sitting on a bench making awkward off. Contact with Lorelai Gilmore. Is that the bench that we sat on when? I don't actually know I'm sure they might the ventures all over the place. It's just in the right spot. It's true. So we're going to say this is the bench you and I sat on for sure. It's Cannon. And on this nice little park bench right next to the Gazebo. He is reading what looks to be an issue of punk Planet magazine off and inside as the camera pans are NBC. He's really reading the book that Luke gave him the self-help book called You are not alone. And as far as I can tell you are not alone is not a real book. There are probably books called that but the one shown in the show, so there there's no friend named Philip. I have this friend. Let's call him Philip and he reads Punk Planet. Just kidding. As far as I can tell the book that Luke gives to Jess is a figment of the Paladino's and they're writing staffs imagination. However, Punk planet is indeed a very real magazine. And if you want food for proof of this I do well glad you asked I also in my research was just looking up punk playing it and I found a very nifty 50 Twitter account that is pretending to be just Mariano's group of small town Publishers or garlic small press publishers. And we will share their Twitter in our Tumblr because they really get snapped for helping me with this research because as I'm doing this they happen to tweet like a few hours before birth a picture of Jess Mariano wearing a punk Planet t-shirt in season two is nice. Yeah. So in the episode 215 lost and found while he's cleaning Lorelai and Rory Cutters, he's wearing a punk Planet t-shirt. Okay. So this is look at that like we have more t-shirt two seasons later reading the magazine. That's that's impressive home. So a little bit about this Punk Planet magazine, if you're not familiar with it, there's probably a good reason for it. It was never a huge publication and it is no longer going off. This was I thought a nice little description of it from the AV club. They wrote a tribute to it upon its demise. And said, even when it began as a newsprint Zine in Nineteen Ninety Four, the chicago-based publication treated punk rock as an idea not a sound using punks and took gymnastics Spirit as a guiding principle Punk Planet transcended stereotypes to Chronicle the progressive underground Community from thoughtful band interviews to exceptionally thorough investigative features. So it started with the music but it led to a lot of other interests. They thought Punk Planet kind of people would be interested in it was a bi-monthly magazine. It was in Italy published and it helped a lot of independent musicians and other Independent Artists, like other zeins and books get off the ground. They also had a lot about politics in there and they had a lot of columns and it actually became a pretty big deal over the thirteen years that it was up and running for the size of magazine that it was dead. However, as you know this little thing called the internet came along. Yeah, I know and as you know, that is was a pretty big game changer in the world of publishing from people who started pre-2000 to go in into the two thousands and they were already independent. I think they had a whole lot of trouble getting realistic ad Revenue that would actually support their publishing needs people actually love this magazine enough that they try to throw benefit concerts and things to keep it alive longer, but finally with issue number eighty. They had to call it a day and say this can no longer log on and Daniel Sinker who was one of the founders. He says as a business Punk planet was destined to fail from day one. He's saying this with a laugh, so don't cry for him are dead. You know our business plan was let's set our ad rates as low as possible so that the smallest record labels can afford a good size ad space so that they can have a national Outlet to let people know about their releases off and you know, if there's any money left let's turn that around to the writers who are writing these pieces and giving them a little something and let's sell them on newsstands which you know is a money-losing proposition. So they were just not set up for financial success, but I think it was a pretty beloved Magazine from the people who followed it and I want you to know if you were interested in checking out Punk. Blatant. You can find scans of all these shoes online and I sure did I totally issue that Jess was reading off my goodness Taylor. Yes, it is issue number sixty, which is March and April 2004, which makes sense cuz this came out in May 2004. So that would have been like the last issue. They could have possibly done while filming the main headline on this magazine, which just wow, we would a time capsule The Final Countdown the underground gears up 2 up seat Bush your guidebook for a new tomorrow The Time Is Now with an illustration of George W bush on the cover for the record. This was for $95 a month. Wes in 695 in Canada other headlines on here include interviews with found magazine a band called These Arms are snakes home and there was another one about a music festival in Beijing and an interview with guy named Craig Thompson. I want you know, I flipped through this entire issue. It's a 2059 Pages. Oh, a lot of these pages are ads for bands and albums. So they really were like committed to this idea of getting other awful lot of music out of there. Yeah, a lot of bands and musicians. This really was the focus of the magazine but there are a lot of other things so I'll just give you a little sampling of what's in this issue that just thought I'd been reading about before and after he did his personal growth development and you were not alone. There is a letter to the editor that one of the big dog Epic points is about how you pay $0.99 for a song on iTunes. I remember those days and there are a lot of columns. So in one of these columns somebody was telling a story about how an eighth grade they had to wage debate the death penalty and there was a girl named Jenny and his group who had a Dead Kennedys t-shirt on and now he likes the the Kennedys and he was like, you know what maybe this sensitive girl in eighth grade like the Dead Kennedys. There's hope for us all its kind of where we ended on that one. There's also another column talking about people who say they're going to move off of George W bush is re-elected. They're going to leave the United States that ring a bell at all. You know, I don't know what you're talking about. We're not a political podcast. There's also an article about how to build a fire from scratch. How why not and in this mag, there's a second part of a feature. So presumably there was a first part of the feature in the previous issue about how to bake bread and then there are twenty-five pages of very brief album reviews like a couple sentences and I just like some of these big names are amazing because they just go in alphabetical order and it's like twenty-five pages of one paragraph reviews in like nine-point font. Wow, so you've got bands like bar or cold bodies in the basement cable the cables candy sniper cream Abdul-Jabbar dear diary. I seem to be dead he who corrupts all one word. Missouri loves company and then this might be my favorite up up down down left right left right b a start. That must I guess I could give you that has to be literally the only artist I recognized is they were reviewing the lecture by Noam Chomsky and I can't tell you anything wrong on ski, but I know the name they say young girls. Yeah. See that's why I know it and then the cover story just to give you a little more context on this George W bush story song, by the way, there's another episode where Jess says nice been you should work for Bush. So this is totally unbrand for you. The cover story is self-described as profiles of nine people and organizations doing their part to take back our country and posters by eight artists and designers free free to copy and distribute including I just want to make it clear. This is me reporting. This is not me giving an opinion. There was one post office that's like designed to look like a campaign ad and it says vote George W bush, but the picture is of Osama bin Laden. Oh of George W bush. Oh my I just bought one of Time Capsule. Wow, you know those days. Yeah, so this is what Jess wants everyone to think. He's reading that sounds very on-brand for him. I Yeah, and like I just wonder the fact that they had the most recent copy did ASP like subscribe to that? Well, they were very newsstand focused home. So they could have easily popped over to a nearby bookstore and picked one up. Yeah. Huh? I want to read yes this fascinating. Yeah. Well, I will share a link to the scanned issue that Jess was looking at did not appear to be illegal and I can't imagine this whole Punk Planet would be resurrected from the dead to try and sue us for this but I don't know it's you know, really thought that work didn't you? Yeah, so that's what you need to know about Punk Planet. I like it Taylor. I want to talk about not not a publication took a man. A real person. Great. I want to talk about Jack Skellington. I mean Jack LaLanne Spooky's getting to me. Oh my goodness. What a transition. You're welcome. You inspired it Jacqueline ever heard of them. No, except when Sookie mentions him know Sookie and Lorelai have been the best in the state. I stand by them their puny. They're tasteless Shilling. These are not pure if they're small enough to show up our sons knows they're too small. No way. Could you shove one of these up Davies nose or five bucks get him in here. Hey guys, you probably shouldn't shove a radish up your son's nose. Just thinking out loud. All right, I'll take these if it's all you've got don't do me any favors you to our back big-time actually felt good like a light workout that are alive or dead know alive. It's going to bug me. So also later in the episode. They're trying to figure out they do figure out that he was alive at the time off its supposed to be comes back. He's alive who Jack LaLanne. I just Googled him speaking of the internet. So Jacqueline, he did die in 2011. So he has passed now, but he was a workout Guru. He's considered the grandfather of exercise or the grandfather of something like exercise and he was around long before Richard Simmons. That was my question. Is he life Richard Simmons? He he's Beyond Richard Simmons. He's before he Richard Simmons Richard Simmons because Jack LaLanne was Jack LaLanne dead Jacqueline was born September 26th, nineteen fourteen pull that feels like a long time ago because it was over a hundred years ago that that's all sure was I was born in San Francisco. And he described himself as a sugarholic. He said as a kid, he had a terrible attitude acted out was not physically Fit until he was fifteen which granted that's not a very long life like prior to I mean lots of kids like sugar but at age fifteen he realized you know what I think I'd like to be in better shape and be in Better Health. He was sick. He just fifteen that's kind of that's pretty impressive to like make that decision at that age, but he became health and fitness group published books and he even had his own t show the Jaqueline show from 1951 to 1985 and it was faith is audience was mostly women at home. It was just a like half hour show with commercial breaks and he would take you through a workout routine. So I watched episode one and I completed a Jacqueline workout. You did. I most certainly did I do not feel sore today after I talked to you that much but it was just very simple moves that you can do. His only prop was a chair to sit or to hold onto for balance and there were like high knees and lifting your leg back behind you lift it up to the side. He had you'd like do bicep curls but without holding anything so long. So did everybody look like the mrs. Maisel workout class Taylor don't get ahead of me. Oh, I'm sorry. No. No, it did not look like mrs. Maisel class, but you're on the right track. So he he seemed very nice and very genuine in his desire to get people feeling better. He did also talk a lot about looking better, but it was in a very like encourage Jean you can do it kind of way. It didn't feel demeaning now granted some was on T right now hosting a workout show probably they would talk more about the health than the typical look. But anyways, let's Let's watch a little and now here is a man who will show you how to feel better. Look better Jack LaLanne. I'll get up in your feet. That's it and give me a great big smile. All right. I'll stay right there. Now put your hands on your hips. Now first. Take your right leg lift it up. Then your left leg now, I'm sure you can assure you can do that ready? Began 1234 song up and down and one and two and three and four and rest 123. I love the old timey organ music that really sells off for me. And the jumpsuit with like is that a little pocket square in his jumpsuit. I believe it is. He keeps it Fancy on the on your TV screen. So in between, you know, he'll you know some workout moves with you and then talk about what physical health is and keep in mind. I mean this was 1951 when he started this week. I kind of just got into more processed foods McDonald's plastic. I mean just all sorts of quick and easy everything and so off like physical health was starting to be as far as like wait goes was starting to be an issue. So anyway, so he was on the Forefront of talking about. Hey, we need to think about exercising cuz we don't naturally move as much as we used to. Wasn't quite to our days of the computer as we are now. You know that internet ruined everything killed Plum Planet. Yeah killed our fitness when he was Twenty-One. So even before show 1936 he opened one of the nation's first name is gyms in Oakland, California and became a prototype for dozens of gyms that he later opened or at least that bore his name. So his kids continue to open up Jim's dock is grandson. I think it is just open up a gym a few years ago in in Oakland. Cool, so they're still doing that sounds like a dynasty. Yeah, it does but you know as I was watching this I did think of marvelous mrs. Maisel work out and then I thought you know. a policeman Did did he kind of look like a Jacqueline at one point sure enough a blessed men's Rob special outfit for his outdoor calisthenics. Yep was actually modeled after Jacqueline Romper on his TV show. So they both are a one piece long pants short sleeve have a color and had a pretty little belt in the middle. Oh my gosh, and we'll have both photos up on our Tumblr but that scene with a voicemail and a name and his son-in-law. I have never laughed harder in marvelous mrs. Maisel. That is my favorite scene of all time. Let's take a listen look up here in the mountains. I do different kinds of things you drink a lot of tomato juice not just the tomato juice. I have a morning routine. Every day before the Sun's Up When everyone's asleep, I do my special outdoor calisthenics. I didn't know that and I wish special clothing and now that you're down here. You're bound to see me when I head out special clothing around Brazil. I wear a romper. What's a romper? It's a one-piece exercise jacket. Oh very tight fitting and no one has seen me in it not even rows, but now you may see me in it. You should be prepared. Okay. And then right afterward, he's like I'm wondering if I should put it on I just like no no, but I did watch the work out and it looks like what could have been a Jacqueline work out because he does take a little stool as his prop and Jack always use just a chair. So it totally could have been from that. But I read an article on vulture and the costume designer. Took what Amy sherman-palladino and Dan Palladino suggested from the script and then she wanted to look for more inspiration for what they would have worked out in at the time and she found Jaqueline and modeled after that. So that just made me so happy. Wow, I love this. Yeah, so yeah, he seems like a pretty cool guy just dedicated to Fitness. I mean he his career went on and on and off. He looks a little familiar when I looked him up in his old age. He looked a little familiar, but okay not enough that I knew where I'd seen him. So Well, maybe if I need to refresh my workout routine as these winter months begin and it's harder to get outside. Maybe I need to do some Jack LaLanne workouts. Maybe a nice little you got some of that fun orchestral music that I have always wanted my workouts to sound like I'm working out an empty baseball stadium. Yeah that same that's Jaqueline. So I guess Jackson and Sookie. Their conversation is like Jaqueline. Yeah, I guess Suki is saying she feels well, I don't know if she feels exhausted Jacqueline doesn't sound particularly exhausting know. I mean, maybe it got more he said that this is first episode stick with them and he'll walk up up the resistance more but I I feel like it'd probably stayed pretty tame cuz it's you know with commercial breaks that it can't be that intense, but I think she's basically saying she gotta work out. And she in Jackson are adorable together. So great. Yeah, so what are we going next? Well, not long after Lorelai has this conversation with Sookie about Jack LaLanne? It is a Friday night dinner time and Rory. It's July are over at Emily and Richard's but Richard is on a business trip quote unquote. Maybe he is maybe he isn't because Emily and Richard may have been arguing and but they've been trying to not let Rory and Lorelai know this but Rory and Lorelai do know this, you know that at least one or both of them is not really staying in the house. So this is another attempt from Lorelei to weasel the truth out of her mother. I'm so sorry. You have a final tomorrow. I thought you'd be free as a bird tonight them's the breaks you could have stayed in school and studied. If you had to I hope you know that you're playing different music the music. It's different. Some chick is singing is Blossom dearie. You don't like it. No, I like it by you just never played it you and Dad always took classical music. We just thought we'd try something new tonight. We he's out of town, but you know what? I mean, we talked about changing the music ok, Blossom dearie. Do you know who this is? I do not but I love that scene because lorelei's just picking picking away at Emily. Same I am at the same place had no idea who Blossom dearie is. Okay. Once again, I'm just going to read you a little tidbit from her obituary because I just think it's awful nice summary of her career and what made her memorable she was a singer and the New York Times says the Jazz pixie with a little girl voice and pageboy haircut was a fixture in New York and London nightclubs for decades a singer pianist and songwriter with an independent Spirit who zealously guarded her privacy, Ms. Derry pursued a c e r career that blurred the line between jazz and Cabaret and interpretive minimalist with caviar taste in songs and musicians. She was a genre unto herself off rarely raising her slide kittenish voice Ms. Derry confided song lyrics and a playful style below whose surface layers of insult simulation wage. Locked what a turn of phrase from The New York Times. I agree and I think the way you read that really. To double thank you. I'm working on it. I was not familiar with Blossom dearie, but it sounds like she was at least at one time a pretty well-known voice some of the popular so well-known haircut apparently had mentioned her hair to three times it is. Yeah, you're right. She also had a very distinct voice is another thing that she was memorable for some of her popular songs include. I'm hip wave. I do and my personal favorite title peel me agree. I know that song. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Nice now many of her songs were not Originals of hers, but she ended up making a lot of her versions of them the quote unquote standard wage. So she also did covers of really well-known songs and like when I was just listening to her tonight while I was making dinner which by the way I totally see why Emily picked this music for dinner time it is perfect and it is just so chill and enjoyable. Well how to make the recipe peel the grape juice? Sorry. Hit me in the right spot, Yes. She did inform me how to take make my grape salad. No, I did have grape tomatoes in my pesto pasta, but I did not just enjoyed her vocal stylings. Well, I heated it up in the microwave off cuz I made it last night. Anyway, it was very silly joke that work. Okay, so many of the songs she covered including the ones we talked about. She also did covers of songs like T for two which is a song you've probably heard of like sixteen different versions of and she has that so she did a lot of Standards. Basically she was hanging around a lot of nightclubs in the nineteen forties and early fifties. Once again sounds a little like mrs. Maisel. She became friends with a bunch of musicians like Charlie Parker who you can just hear Babette's voice going Charlie Baca and Miles Davis birth. Allegedly, this can't be confirmed but it's a popular rumor that he said she was the only white woman who ever had soul. So she hung out a lot in nightclubs in New York. She sang with a group called the blue flames, which I love she later traveled to Paris and was in a group called The Blue Stars no relation to the blue flames, you know, she recorded a bunch of albums. She didn't really have huge hits as a songwriter, but she did always an audience once again called a cult classic kind of audience. This one seems to be actually real as opposed to what was the thing we were talking about recently. Oh Lord the Flatbush. Yeah with a wage supposed cult audience and she ended up having her own record label so she could have more ownership of her music and how it was used off and she just had was really known for her memorable voice in this she really stuck out. She paved the way for artists like Feist and Norah Jones who had this morning. Breathy light sound and another fun connection with Gilmore Girls. I read a really nice obit tribute, very personal tribute from someone who loved Blossom dearie home. She said she was the Dorothy Parker of jazz. Oh because she was so witty and had her own way with words and the way she delivered her lines. So a little bit about the song that is playing in the background during this Friday night dinner. This is the song called you for me and I'm just going to read you a little bit of the lyrics off. I won't sing them. You're welcome the lyrics in this on you for me only you can do the things that you do for me give a friendless heart and endless start to romance than a dance your subtle glance gave me the chance to discover that you're for me. I'm the fish at Sea and you're the lure for me take a look and see you've hooked the she who will agree quite cheerfully to be out for you if it's you for me Emily and Richard I know isn't that so perfect and in several of the things I listen to from Blossom dearie and mentioned in these articles that I read about her. She really does have a character to her voice. You can tell there's a story off. Find it and in one song I listened to it starts out and it kind of sounds like she's it's called the gentleman's a dope is the name of the song and it starts out like she's just saying this guy is an idiot, but you can tell by the end of the song she's really upset because she's in love with him and she wishes that he loved her instead of some other girl. So that's why he's a dope house. It's true, but you can tell at the beginning. It sounds like he's just a dummy and by the end of it, you're like, oh she's just really upset cuz he doesn't love her. I can't imagine she from the fifties. He said that's real and she really broke out is in the forties and fifties, but she was recording music all the way up to this Century the last song she recorded was an honor of nine eleven. Okay, it's just hard for me to imagine a 1940s 1950s singer singing. He's a dope so goofy. Well, I reckon we will put it on our Spotify playlist and you guys can listen to it. I think you'll enjoy Blossom dearie and one more little tidbit about her two of her songs. I'm always true to you in my own fashion and everything. I've got belongs to you are featured in the background out Rory's 21st birthday party nice month. So this is something that Emily returns to you again when she hosts worries party. It is on very end. I'm loving that your references are repeated in a young girl's going. This is good like that. They'll just put random pieces out there, you know. Taylor that was lovely listen to some Blossom dearie when I make my next break salad my gosh I could hear like see the marketing for her record label Blossom was Blossom and that's her real name not a stage name. All right parents it worked out for her. Taylor are you okay with getting a little spooky now who you know me. I love to say spooky. So let's get spooky his wedding lots of hilarious moments and so good. Here's one of them Luke and Lorelai are just trying to keep it together and they're not succeeded would be starting then Tony's Upland roses. Nice. She remind you of someone. And you say Leslie Van Houten? So it did you know who Leslie Van Houten Putin Scootin was Putin Scootin Boogie Woogie Woogie boy. No, I sure did not know who Leslie been out was I didn't either and it was even more confusing because Luke asked Lorelai if she reminded him someone like they looked familiar with like she looked familiar to them. So I was like she from the town like what are they? What does this mean? And the Lorelei says right away Leslie Van Houten this woman and home town was Leslie Van Houten a convicted murderer and former member of the Manson family. Oh my so, you know, she moved to Stars Hollow apparently, except that's impossible because she's in prison. She helped during the Manson murder spree that night. So their plan was to murder all these wealthy people and frame members of the Black Panther and ignite a race warm and then Mister Manson's Grand planned in the end what he dead, Just knew was going to happen was that the black people in America would win the white people would be dead and then they would need a leader. So, who are they going to turn to them? But this white man? And he was this is a well thought-through plan. Yeah, he was going to Rule, oh my gosh. Does that not say how much a part of the problem he was if he thought that after all the other white people were dead or in hiding or whatever that he was going to lead. I like don't even have any intelligent comment on that because I've heard of the Manson Murders, but I actually don't know that much about them. And when I watched Once Upon a Time in Hollywood last year, which is set around the Manson Murders, shout out to Quentin Tarantino whom we've talked about before I the whole movie just along the way I thought I just realized like with everything. I was like, oh, I actually know nothing about the Manson Murders like this is what I thought it was and this movie is doing something completely different. I literally know nothing about this. Yeah. I knew nothing either. I knew that they killed people but I didn't know over how like what the period of time was off or anything. But yeah, there was a they I'm sure they did other stuff before this but when they were arrested was when they went on this killing spree and killed Sharon Tate right page her name. Yes. Shout out to Valley of the Dolls. Yeah, so she was convicted and she has been up for parole more than twenty times each time denied the sister of Sharon Tate. She she's testified at the different parole hearings and you know in in prison Leslie Van Houten has apparently been a good prisoner, but The sister says that because Leslie hasn't really given a to her. You know, this is her thoughts on it hasn't given a good enough reason. She hasn't helped them understand why she helped in this Killing Spree. So it just doesn't seem like she's saved to have out in the world. I I don't really have an opinion on this because some respects, you know, it's been How many years you know, five six decades she was in a cult really that truly was a cult. It kind of brainwashed thinking that this Manson guy was our savior. She's she renounced him soon after she was arrested but Yeah, that's Leslie Van Houten. So here's here's what I want to know with this. So Amy sherman-palladino. It's like hey got this wedding scene Louis. Laura. Ligon was sitting together cracking a few jokes. We need some people for this wedding. So have a bunch of extras come audition. Okay, you you great and then same thing out in the room when she looks over and she says, hey that one extra over there. So just look like that murderer Leslie van out. Hey extra come over here. Oh great. Wow a machine. Hey, so you you know, you look a lot like that convicted murder. We want to call that out in the show. So could you make kind of a creepy face? Like what was that conversation like with this poor extra what she brought on to look like Leslie Van Houten or did they come up with that after the fact? Well looking at pictures of Leslie Van Houten. Side by side with this girl. They don't look that much alike. Right? It's more that scary look and I took us I have a screenshot. We'll put on Her Tumblr and it's in our folder. If you want to look off of the trick of the wedding like she makes a scary face, but they say that she looks familiar as she's skipping down the aisle. But maybe they're trying to like go into the idea that she looks like she's part of a cult or she's kind of doing the flower child thing because yeah, Leslie Van Houten. She was very much looked, you know, like a hippie. I don't know. That is a great question. Cuz I really don't think they look super alike. I mean, they're both white women with Not even the same color hair. Hey guys, though true. Definitely not dressed alike. Cuz this woman is dressed like for a Renaissance here. Yeah. But I think it's more about the intensity. I think you're right. I hope I just hope she hasn't carried that with her that she looks like a member of the Manson family. Yes young actors. If you were listening to this. We don't think you really look like Les leaving you look up your own person. Well, should we talk about what happens right after this little dance dancecapade? Oh, yes this spooky moment with Leslie Van Houten not look alike wage. Here Comes one of my all-time favorite musical moments in Gilmore Girls you like more than just Musical and the Revival a hundred percent better off here comes the song our favorite song About love as kids we shared our toys with all the girls and boys barrel of monkeys your battleship song. Please a recall of the joy wilo clue mousetrap bison spirograph Kaleidoscope spinning off. See I'm winning think of how we loved but today we share a lot of walking around Taylor. Did you just relate so much to this just bought a d tear up a little. Well, you know, I love all things that make love a game because love is should be gamified and made a competition which is why I think the bachelor is a game. Really important and positive force on our culture and Society. I miss it in the store now for you by the way. You're welcome. I'm improving life. Well, we gotta talk about these games though because if you have to gamify my love, I would rather it be any of these games than the Bachelor and And some of these are well-known but some of these are not so Taylor what you're saying is that you would like your love life to be like barrel of monkeys. Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. I want if you ask me how my relationship is going. I want to be like, you know what it's a barrel a month barrel of monkeys that was released in nineteen sixty five life. It was created 1961 and 1964. It was sold came out 965 by Lakeside toys. I've never heard of but now it's produced by the Milton Bradley company within Hasbro, which I'm sure we all if we didn't know that we know about Hasbro. You've got it in your house somewhere else. Yes two games. So yeah, it's a barrel of monkeys sure. We will see that but you know, I've never really played I've just always liked seen kids with the barrel monkey and they just make a line but you actually are supposed to like make a chain and keep scooping up more and then you lose you stop your account. Once the monkey is dropped and then the next person can see how long they get it off. But but like You pick it up with the chain you already have I'm pretty sure. I don't know. It was ranked number 53 by Time Magazine on their 2011 all-time 100 greatest toys list. I'm not really sure why because it's barrel of monkeys. I mean, I like monkeys but hey, it appears another pop culture. It's in the Toy Story series. I was thinking of that in 2012 Dartmouth College student Parker feeling a little fundraising group that built a chain and 5909 monkeys longest ever. In the game show Family Game Night which featured a lot of Hasbro games families played barrel of monkeys for prize by raising the chains of monkeys from shortest to longest. That sounds great. It appears in movies and other TV shows as well like in Iron Man 3 Tony Stark leggings and air rescue to plane barrel of monkeys. All right. It's been a minute since I've watched that one. Yeah Iron Man 3. This is weird to me. Wait. No the second one too. I don't really remember either of them Iron Man 2 might be the worst Marvel movie. That's this is a site that I wrote. But yeah, I think it's either that or like the first two Thor's pretty bad. I guess it's hard for me to think of like the first of any series to be bad. Right cuz like introducing so I didn't think the first one was bad. But Iron Man 2, I have wrong zi I have one memory. I can remember one scene Iron Man 3. I remember a few more scenes. So I remain three's fun. It's a lot. That is good as Iron Man 1. Yeah sure that has been my TED Talk. So barely monkeys, that's one option for your love life Taylor. What's the next one? Hm. Well, the next one is a nether game also featured in Toy Story on a battleship. Your battleships sunk me this one sound familiar. It came out in 1967 from Milton Bradley, you know, however, this is actually and I didn't know this. This was a public domain pencil and paper game that has gone through a lot of different names and versions. So originally you can play this with pencil and paper and then Milton Bradley kind of made it super cool and made it into this like plastic game board. And that's when you actually have the pegs. Yeah. I'm try to say. Yes. We're somebody's battleship is on their grid and you get the custom pegs and that kind of thing, but you can you play this with pencil and paper there have been other. Yeah. There have been other names that this has gone by including Salvo. I don't understand why it was called that but I think that's one of its earliest names. You could also find it under the name combat the Battleship game. By the way, this goes back to the 1930s. They also in the 40s Milton Bradley started publishing a pad and pencil game called broadsides the game Naval strategy. There was another one called syncit. There was another one called Warfare Naval Combat. Wow, you could also find it under Swiss Navy sunk Convoy wings and naval battle and you can actually find examples of this all the way back to World War One apparently Russian officers were playing a version of this game pen and paper with a plane or were they planning to shape who's to say and I would like to point out that there is also a film adaptation job. Of this board game called Battleship from 2012. I was that I watched it recently. I've watched a lot of bad action movie this year like staying home. Bad action movies and bad rom-coms or lose like mediocre not bad mediocre. Like there's something really comforting about the formula to it. I mediocre rom-coms. Yes. I am not Hallmark rom-coms. I mean like we're not mediocre. Those are ridiculous. Hey, if you're able to watch a Hallmark movie, here's a plot big city chick goes took a small town probably for her job or her family needs a small-town guy their friends then they get mad at each other. Then they're romantically involved and It All Leads up to some sort of small town event, and she probably has to quit her big city job to go like run a Christmas tree farm or a candle making Venture with him. Yep. Yep. That is not what that is about battleship is a 2012 film starring Taylor Kitsch Alexander, Skarsgard, Skarsgard Rihanna and Liam Neeson. And somehow it's not my battleship versus your battleship It Is Us in Japanese battleships teaming up against aliens home. And that's all you really need to know why it's not it's not good, but I will say one cool moment. This was like the only original thing where I was like, oh this was an Innovative idea. I wish this had been the whole movie. They only the only Battleship that is available to them because of alien force fields. Sorry, it's just the way it is is an Old World War II battleship and all these Old World War II vets just happened to be there because they were honoring them that day like it was a day of like let's come back to this boat and give you guys all metals and like thank you for your service and World War Two And there's a cool scene where all these Old World War II vets who are the only guys who know how to take this boat function like all the different parts of the boats and they like go back to their old positions in defeat the aliens. That's awesome. So watch that one scene the rest of it. Just okay. So Battleship, there you go a little bit of History goes back all the way to at least World War one. Yeah Battleship that seemed like a healthy option for a way to describe your love life. Yes. It is a battleship. You know, how about we low though? We're magnet space wheel. It is also known as I don't think so. That's the toy where it's like you got you hold on to handle and it's got like this metal kind of track that goes up and down and then this wheel spins in it's like locked in and it's got magnets that Propel it and you can kind of flick your wrist with it and it'll you can make it go faster. I don't know if again visual that's what I got. I remember playing with this. It was fun. I think I had owned one at some point wage was introduced in 1953 by Maggie magnet think of New York City. That's that's really all I can say about it. You know what I've definitely seen these around before. But I don't I don't think I ever had one. It seems like it's pretty limited on the amount of activity you can use with it. Yeah, it's just like a fun little little toy to mess with when you're Waiting at the soda shop kind of like a fidget spinner. All right. Our next game on this one. This one is a lot more familiar. Have you ever played clue I play Clue a few times in my life, and I've won at most of the time yes way to go proud of you. Well, did you know that this game first came out in 1948? I did not this is a 1949, but I guess that was off. Okay, we'll start peeling your grape wasn't to me while I School you on clue. I think most of us know how to play Clue if you don't quick summary basically somebody's murdered and you gotta figure out who it is. You gotta figure out which character did it which weapon they used in what room it happen because obviously those are the three things that a police officer needs to know and investigating a murder would help and the inventor of this game was named Anthony Ernest Pratt. He lived in England and he was still in the country during War World War Two he was in the Home Guard and he said he thought of this game during the war cuz he realized there was really no social life with people having to stay indoors all the time. They had to be ready for Air Raids and blitzes song. X l like it was really difficult to get out. So he came up with a board game and they had a friend who had also invented a board game nearby that I was not familiar with home. But because of this they had a connection to a board game distributor and he came up with this idea for clue and they decided that his wife was a good artist. Her name was Elva so she did all the drawings and they came up with this prototype and at this time detective novels were very popular. So things like that get that Christie Sherlock Holmes. These were really popular and they were inspired by these books to come up with this mystery game. There's one book called The Body in the library by Agatha Christie that came out in 1942 that actually has a lot of similarities with the story frame in the game. So they think that wage probably one of The Inspirations and some fun facts about clue when he first filed for a patent Pratt had different weapons that were involved. So that's the original weapons included in Acts a cudgel around fizzing bomb a piece of rope a dagger a revolver a hypodermic syringe bottle of poison in a poker and then vote. No, Anvil, where did open anvils go? Wow, so brutal weapons. Now, we've got a Candlestick took us. So as you know, now all of those made it through we have a Candlestick now and some others and there were more characters originally. There was also a mr. Brown Mister gold now, there's really only six characters and mrs. White was nurse white. Actually, the original murder victim was going to be doctor black and now it's mr. Body which in a way better pun for a murder victim and originally it was going to be Colonel yellow, but people at War time did not like the association that yellow had for a colonel being a coward so he became Colonel Mustard nice and another fun fact about this board game distributor. You're going. Oh, no doubt. Could this possibly be I think this is actually really cool. So this group called waddington's that desire or distributed the board games for them. They actually have been doing some covert operations for mi9. He had been slipping tools or this company had been slipping actual escape tools into board games Justin's for British prisoner of war camps and they made them look like a board games so they could get through the like poww restrictions and they would let them through and may actually like send out real weapons and real war information through these board games. And then he actually went out to make real board games that were just for fun. That's really cool. And also awesome movie based off of this game was just about to tell you that you got all movie games. Yes. There is a very fun 1980s movie called clue. Have you seen this movie? No, but I actually was supposed to watch it last weekend and then didn't and so I'm going to probably try to watch it this weekend and don't tell me what happened. Oh, I won't I couldn't if I tried it is a very fun movie. I highly recommend it. It's a little bit like knives out if you guys are winning a more modern comparison. It's a little zanier than Knives Out much sillier. And if you are a British listener, you might know this game under a different name the British name of the game and original name was Pluto because it was a pun on the idea of clue and the Ludo which is a late 19th century English board game. That in Latin means I play. However, American audiences are not familiar with that game. So they dropped the dough to come to United States. Nice, I like glue same next up man. This guy could fit a lot of games in one song mousetrap. I don't think I've ever played this it was published by ideal different game company 1963. Yeah. It was one of the first mass-produced three-dimensional board games. And this is where over the course of the game you create kind of a Rube Goldberg like mousetrap and they try to trap each other. And in nineteen the 1990s mousetrap was adapted to a game show with in the UK speaking of our British friends called motor mouth and child's intestines take place of a mice of the mice and the life-size that in a life size board game. There was also a clue toe game show in Britain. I didn't mention that but look at that. Look at the yeah, it's turned board games and the TV shows. Yeah mousetrap. Not one that I don't think I've played it. I've seen it. Like I said, I've been in its presence but I don't think that's it. I don't think I've ever played it either another game. I have not played off you ever played bash. Yeah, but it sounds fun. I had a lot of trouble finding much information on this game is not in production anymore. If you want to buy it, you can like buy a 1965 edition of it for $50 plus $7 shipping on Amazon like that kind of situation in Iraq electors item So you can find versions to buy but this is not in production anymore. It is a little bit younger than some of the like board games we've talked about is meant for ages 5 and Up and basically it's a you're stacking these little disks on top of each other. They're yellow and red discs you stack them on top of each other and they seem like they're sandwiched between a man. So there's like feet on the bottom and head on the top and you have to hit it with this Hammer which is a plastic hammer and Tong in like knockout pieces without knocking over the whole thing. So it's like basically Jenga, huh? Okay. It's not a very sturdy looking game and I can. There's really not much to it. I'm not surprised this game is not in production anymore, but one weird thing about it if you get this old song From the 1960s or whatever not only does it have all the pieces for this. Stacked man that you need to try and head out the pieces and get his head and feet connected without knocking the tower over you could give an opponent and oh phooey card wage. And if you play the oh phooey version of the game you get the card if you knock out two discs in a row successfully and then you can give it to another player who has a chance to bash out a piece from the stack without like making the stack nice and taut together again, and that's really the only like interesting Twist on the game like ah phooey I can't straighten this stack of discs out. Okay. I don't I don't think it sounds very fun. So yeah, I think yeah, sorry to bash that game. But well next up we go off on that is near and dear to my heart spirograph. It's a little drawing device you put your pencil in it and in one of the little holes and the disk that you put on the center bulb and then you hold your pencil down on top of the paper and then you just follow this disk that makes helps you create perfect circles. And so you can start with one color and one spot off and then choose another color for a different hole and then you've just got this really cool rainbow Spirals and it can make big Spirals and little ones and just really pretty and my wife and I used to play with that and so I would make all these pretty colors pretty drawings and now let me tell you a little bit about the math of this just kidding not going to log But yeah, that was I I want to get one of those and they play with my nephew with that. That'd be fun to show me go a little bit of spirals. So yeah, that's kind of a calm. It was first sold in 1965. All these are like from the sixties that right around that time. Yeah made by a British engineer. Did you ever play with the one of those like drawing? No, I am very unfamiliar with spirographs. Okay, so thank you for filling me in I maybe did something similar to that and Art Club growing up but I don't think I ever had like a branded spirograph or what that's meant to be one of those tools. That's meant to be a spirograph off last game and going to talk to you about is a little bit of an anomaly in our list cuz this one actually first came out in 1817. Oh, yeah. This is a kaleidoscope page her play with these as a kid. Absolutely same. Yes. I like to say my love life is like a kaleidoscope. That's maybe my favorite. How about that? And basically this is just a little scientific phenomenon it is you have at least two mirrors and a tube you stick them at a the perfect angle and you can spin it around song. In things look real funky kind of how they Envision drugs in all movies. It basically looks like you're looking through a kaleidoscope and these are kind of quaint now, but when they first came out they were a huge hit. So in one article I read they said that the popularity of these things in the early eighteen-hundreds was like a couple of years ago when Pokemon go came out and like everyone was playing like I saw kids on the street playing at night and I was like get out of the road. I'm going to add you like people just trying to catch their Pokemon wherever they are. So apparently there was a huge craze Mania for them and it was also a big deal because it was portable and it was really easy for people to carry around so that was not typical for games and toys at the time and they're really easy to make so they were easy to produce and then also easy to make knockoffs from the guy who originally packaged Had them apparently there were newspaper articles about fights between sellers people writing poems about them people debated whether it was really an original invention. They talked about how boys would walk into walls while looking through their kaleidoscopes or running into cyclists on the street. So this was a huge deal people were super into these. So by the middle of the twentieth century though kind of around the time all these other board games are coming out they were pretty not super exciting anymore because he had things like Bosch and spirograph and other things to keep you busy. But then there is a woman named cozy Baker and I love that name. She sounds like she'd be friends with Blossom dearie faith, and she really revived the interest in kaleidoscopes. She was independently wealthy and between 1985 and 2002 Sion. Seven books about kaleidoscopes know yeah and there are like society's for people who love kaleidoscopes now there she's been following month. Yes. She's been called the first lady of kaleidoscopes the Kaleidoscope Queen the patron saint of kaleidoscopes all these things, but you just see life. Yes. She's been compared to a seventeenth or eighteenth-century Patron of the Arts. She spent her life putting Kaleidoscope artists in galleries together, so they would know each other and encouraging each other and when she died in 2010, she had over a thousand kaleidoscopes including one made from shark skin in Alabaster another made from an elephant's task a $12,000 electric Kaleidoscope one in the shape of a Chrysler building and she said that kaleidoscopes were nourishment for the job. Yes. Now I feel like I want to own a kaleidoscope. Well, they're pretty inexpensive go get one and there's places like a business call kaleidoscopes to you. They sell many kaleidoscopes and some of their greatest hits in their businesses history include giving party favors for Yoko Ono 79th birthday and they gave scopes for a gift basket that George W bush gave to White House staffers. So would what do you think Jess would say holding up his comb nice spin spin that Kaleidoscope. You should bush. Here's the last one. Yeah, see I'm winning. Everybody knows Yahtzee Yahtzee has it's become though a word that we say, you know, like for like a kind of like a wait like Bingo or Bullseye, you know, yeah see like it's we use it and it's just because it's a beloved and people get very excited if they get a yahtzee, which I know I have before I think like one time I remember playing with my family and I got a job see which is when you get all dice of the same number. Thank you for reminding me because it's been so long since I played that I forgot what a yahtzee actually was. Yeah. So you're rolling die you're you get to roll three times five died and you can't keep some as they are and just re-roll some of them or you can re-roll all of them and at the end you get points for what you have. It was made by Milton Bradley no job. Room and you know, it's still a big part of people's lives. In fact in 2011 a three sons killed them brother over Yahtzee or one killed her the other to help cover it up, you know all involved. They said that she wanted to play Yahtzee and the boys didn't and she got mad and grab a few things and stormed out of the house and they killed her unclear but Spooky sorry, I'm just like processing that story. You're telling me what a horrible thing. Yeah, it is a terrible thing. So, yeah, you actually though who doesn't hasn't played Yahtzee. It's been a long time if your mother asked you play Yahtzee, just say yes. Okay, so going back through this list. As kids we shared her toys with all the girls and boys barrel of monkeys your battleships sunk me, please recall the joy wilo clue mousetrap bash and spirograph Columbus cope spinning. Yeah. See I'm winning think of how we laughed but today we share our love today. We share a love for love is the greatest toy around. What do you think the deeper intellectual meaning of the song is Kyla? I don't. I mean Kaleidoscope spinning you do spin a kaleidoscope Yahtzee. I'm winning we say yeah see, you know for winning. But no, it's just a list of toys. Is it strange that the games? He's referencing are so violent like clue is about a murder bash. You're trying to bash this guy to Pieces a battleship out now strapped. Good point spirograph that's got to be the the worst of yeah, it's just our episode mish-mash of games. Yes. It is a very strange list of games including some that like are not around anymore some that are very popular. I mean, do you really want your relationship to be compared to anything in this list? No. Maybe you could just go. Yeah, maybe a quite a few same you know, yeah. You could say my relationship is like Yahtzee. It's a jumble game of chance. Yeah, like I think I mean, you know how sometimes we do our research and we're like wow, this is a great Laird deeper meaning to what we're trying to talk about. I really feel like we have just confirmed that this song is a bunch of nonsense. Yeah, It's a good thing. This guy was not allowed to be the town troubadour. Agreed he did a great little farmers market that sent Taylor and it's busy but beautiful Sprouts, but I thought this is confirmation. He should not be the town Troubadour. I think you're right. So Kyla, so Taylor, that's our show. That's our show. Yeah, we're winning. Yeah, and yeah see where we're getting our runtime. This is our longest episode in a while. So hopefully you weren't whooped by the run time when you started this episode and you've made it all the way to begin with us really hope so guys, if you didn't make its end of this episode be sure to make it to the end of our next one because we've got a fun one. Oh, yes cannot wait to talk about our next episode. I have literally done at least 12 hours of prepping for it. Oh my gosh. I feel like in some ways we've been prepping for this. I would say yes, I would say I've been prepping for this one since December two thousand one and I just like didn't even know it at the time now now I do would be sure to subscribe so you can listen to us next week wherever you listen check us out on Twitter. It's so it's a show send us an email to try to get hinted honor next episode social gmail.com or listen to the student for the next step. Well, what else happened nothing, we spent the evening together. We danced he walked me home and then he asked me to a movie all of these things visually do not add up to date but together, I don't know and there was this moment when he walked me home where I thought I don't know. Did you say yes, when to the movie did you say? Yes. Yes, that sounds awful. But maybe he didn't mean it as a date thing. Maybe he just needs to get out of the house. And since I'm currently one of the women sitting home thinking if I could only find a man like Aragorn he picked me. And this was after a lot of career. I don't know. You're totally throw me off at that. It was no I'm going to get it good. Okay, I'm sorry to throw you off though. No, you're fine. I was just trying to think of a transition and all I can think of is repeal agree joke.

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July 24, 1970: Charles Mansons Trial Begins

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July 24, 1970: Charles Mansons Trial Begins

"The today is saturday. July twenty fourth twenty twenty one on this day in nineteen seventy the trial of notorious cult leader. Charles manson began in los angeles manson along with three female co-defendants stood accused of one of the most brutal murder sprees of the century. You've waited long enough. It's time to treat yourself visit european wax center where you get the best. Buy the best bikini. Waxing is their particular specialty. They wax over seven point five million bikinis a year with numbers. Like those. you know you're getting the best. Bikini service from the true bikini wax specialists in fact european wax center is so confident. You'll love their services that they offer all first time guests there. I wax free head to wack center dot com to book your reservation today. That's waxed center dot com to book your reservation today and remember. Your first wax is free. Welcome today in true crime a spotify original from podcast due to the graphic nature of this killer's crimes listener discretion is advised. This episode includes discussions of murder that some people may find offensive. We advise extreme caution for children under thirteen. Today we're covering the opening. Day of charles manson's trial and the vicious legacy that he and his followers left behind. Now let's go back to a sweltering morning in los angeles on july twenty fourth nineteen seventy this city and the entire nation had been waiting with feverish anticipation for the proceedings to kick off. The public hoped that cult leader charles manson and his followers would finally face justice almost a year earlier in august of nineteen sixty nine members of the manson family had executed a murder spree so grizzly that it had stunned the world over the course of two nights they'd murdered seven people including the pregnant actress sharon tate as judge charles. H older called the court to order. A silence fell over the crowded room. Everyone held their breath awaiting the appearance of the man himself when he finally entered. Manson didn't waste the opportunity to seize the spotlight. Manson strolled into the courtroom sporting his signature. Long hair a beard and a bloody x. carved into his forehead the was clearly fresh drawing gasps from the assembled crowd in a statement shared by his attorney. The killer explained his razor blade tattoo. Manson said you have created the monster. I am not of you from you nor do i condone your wars or your unjust attitudes towards things animals and people that you won't try to understand. I have exed myself from your world. It was a characteristically ramblings. Self important statement from a man who clearly had no remorse for his horrific crimes. It was also a harbinger of things to come. Throughout the next twenty two weeks manson and his followers would be so disruptive that judge older repeatedly had them removed from the courtroom beside manson were his three female co-defendants patricia. Krenwinkel susan denise atkins and leslie van houten. The trio had carried out the murders alongside a handful of other acolytes in his opening statement. Deputy district attorney vincent t bouillaud see described manson as a megalomaniac with an insatiable lust for power and violence as he laid out the state's case bolio see noted how manson had used the image of a peace-loving hippie to disguise his murderous intent. He also touched on manson's possible motives for ordering the murders. He suggested that the cult leader was driven by an obsession with a race war between white people and black people in the united states bouillaud see said. Manson tried to make the murders. Look as though they'd been carried out by black perpetrators by doing this. He hoped to spark the war. He was so fixated on in manson's mind bouillaud said his family and particularly he would be the ultimate beneficiaries of the black white civil war by the time court was adjourned for the day. There were still far more questions than answers about the manson families bizarre beliefs and despicable violence. Coming up we'll discuss the senseless crimes that define manson's legacy imagine living with a secret so big that if anyone ever found out it would change everything. Imagine carrying that secret with you every day. Desperate to one day. Get it off your chest. Do you think you could take a secret to the grave. I'm stephanie haeggman. Host of the new podcast series deathbed confessions the show where we dive deep into the most explosive things. People have admitted to while drawing their last breath from murder fake identities heists illicit affairs and even top government secrets this season. On deathbed. confessions. 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On july twenty fourth nineteen seventy the trial of charles manson and his followers began manson and three of his acolytes stood accused of planning and executing the murders of seven people. The previous year. The killing spree had stunned the city of los angeles on the night of august eighth nineteen sixty-nine four manson followers susan atkins patricia krenwinkel. Linda kosabe ian and tex watson said out from the cult's rural headquarters on a terrible mission. They drove up into the winding hills of benedict canyon and broke into the home of director roman polanski acting on manson's orders the posse murdered five people at the house including actress sharon tate. Jay c. bring abigail folder. Voi- check frank hausky and steven parent in a horrific final flourish. The murderers painted the word pig on the door of the house. Using tate's blood manson's motivation for targeting. These victims specifically has never been confirmed per one theory. Manson had a grudge against the homes last owner music. Producer terry melcher. The previous year melcher had declined to make a record with manson and raging the egotistical cult leader the following night manson himself drove six of his followers to a property in the los feeless neighborhood of los angeles where they murdered grocery store owner lino la bianca and his wife rosemary. Again the love bianca's were not targeted and manson's motivations for choosing their home are murky but as the prosecution noted manson's obsession with a race war which he called helter skelter appeared to be at the root his sadistic killings. Manson was a racist. His vision for helter skelter was really a white supremacist. Fantasy in which a conflict between white and black people would make it possible for him to seize power in manson's warped and bigoted vision of the future. He and his followers would go underground during the war itself. Once the smoke cleared he believed there would be a window left for him to suddenly emerge and takeover the murders were in part. Manson's attempt to jump start the race war. He and his followers staged both crime scenes to make them look like they were committed by the black panthers. A group manson loathed. But he was also trying to use. These flashy gruesome killings to distract from other crimes. He and his followers had committed including the july nineteen. Sixty-nine murder of gary hinman regardless of manson and his family's convoluted motivations they're killing spree was a defining moment in the nation's history the fact that his followers were mostly well off middle class teenagers was especially compelling and disturbing to average americans. The murder sparked widespread. Fear about the occult and it's corrupting influence. On the youth which contributed to the rise of the satanic panic during the nineteen seventies even though manson and his followers were jailed for life when their trial wrapped up the damage they done could never be reversed. Thanks for listening today in true crime. I'm vanessa richardson. If you'd like to learn more about charles. Manson listen to our episodes of cults on the manson family. You can find more episodes of today in true crime and all other spotify originals. From podcast for free on spotify. We'll be back with a brand new episode tomorrow in true crime today in. True crime is a spotify. Original from podcast. It is executive produced by max cutler. Sound designed by paul liba skin with production assistance by ron shapiro. Trent williamson carly madden and aaron larson. This episode of today and true crime was written by. Emma did dan with writing assistance by terrel wells and fact checking by cheyenne lopez. 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The CRUSADE Channel Newscast For December 10th 2020

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The CRUSADE Channel Newscast For December 10th 2020

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Eighteen states filing suits about the november third election and taking it all the way to the supreme court even though the unmanned rocket blew up spacex. Alon musk said. The mission was a success. The us attorney's office in delaware is investigating hunter. Biden's tax affairs joe. Biden's son confirmed wednesday. Saying he is taking the matter very seriously and he's confident he handled his affairs. Legally and appropriately well placed government source told fox news that hunter biden is a subject target of the grand jury investigation. According to this source said target means that there is a high probability that the person committed a crime while subject is someone you don't know for sure has committed a crime. The source said biden is not a subject of any grand jury investigation at this time. Missouri led a group of seventeen states that wednesday afternoon filed a brief with the supreme court supporting the texas lawsuit. That's aimed at delaying the appointment of presidential electors from georgia. Pennsylvania michigan and wisconsin the brief mirrors the argument of the texas suit and saying that the state's acted unconstitutionally when either their judiciaries or executive branches change their election. Laws the texas suit and the states that support it say that only state legislatures set laws regarding how states appoint their presidential electors. The trump campaign also filed a brief asking to join on the texas suit on wednesday. The texas suit is unique in that it seeks to take advantage of the supreme court's rarely used original jurisdiction to bypass the lower courts and put the issue directly in front of the justices. A claim by rep. Eric stilwell of california that the trump administration fed axios story about the house intelligence committee members relationship with suspected. Chinese spy is something to take note of the axios story co authored by the outlets china reporter in aspen institute. Senior staff writer reported that a chinese national name fang fang also known as christine fang targeted up and coming politicians including swallow fang reportedly took part in fundraising for swallows. Two thousand fourteen reelection campaign. Although she didn't make donations. And there's no evidence of illegal contributions. the story is really important though. It shows how the chinese communist party operates inside. This country shows how they infiltrate local politics how they identify young in some cases. Soft targets who don't actually understand that tactics of chinese communist party and then they follow them up in eric swallows case he's become a very important member of congress with access to the nation's top secrets saying that the day by reason the great trials he had to suffer during the persecution which afflicted the entire church are quoted. 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Twenty-three are saying the day is saint melkite. The church makes a commemoration today of the holy pope. Melkite eighties this lustrous pontiff. Who saint augustine calls the true child of the peace of jesus christ. The worthy father of christian people ascended the papal throne in the year. Three eleven that is during the very firestorm of persecution. It's on this account that he honored with the title of martyr. Though we did not shed his blood for the name of jesus yet he shared in the glory of the martyrs. By reason of the great trials he had to suffer during the persecution which afflicted the entire church it was the same with many of his predecessors but the pontificate of melkite marks a very important period of the church. It's the transition from persecution to peace as early as the year. Three twelve liberty had been granted to the christian religion by constantine said that melkite had the glory of governing the church at the commencement of her period of temporal prosperity. His name now graces the calendar of the liturgical year and reminds us of that piece which will soon descend upon us from heaven. The granddaughter of manson family murder victims was herself found slain in her denver apartment according to a wednesday report revealing her name for the first time. The denver district attorney's office said ariana woke a forty year. old single. Mother was found in a pool of blood in her bed. After she was stabbed repeatedly in the neck woke as the granddaughter of leno and rosemary labianca who were victims of the infamous manson murders that shocked the nation fifty one years ago. Her identity was not revealed until wednesday by the daily mail police charge. Jose sandoval romero twenty four after he allegedly confessed to the crime when he was caught four days after woke was found it was a chilling paralleled. The murder of her grandparents in august of nineteen sixty nine. The news of walks identity comes just weeks after california governor gavin newsom reverse parole for the woman who killed them leslie. Van houten spacex launched. Its latest prototype rocket wednesday reaching its highest altitude to date but that record went down in flames when the ship crash landed in a massive fireball. The futuristic starship s n eight launch from spacex is facility in boca chica texas into a clear blue sky soaring miles in the air over the gulf of mexico after skimming the stratosphere the starship returned to the earth's surface exploding as it hit the ground. Despite the explosion spacex ceo elon. Musk said the unmanned test flight was a success and his team got all the data that they needed. Send me your news. Tips did news at crusade. 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004: Charles Manson and The Family Tour

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004: Charles Manson and The Family Tour

"Down, this road is a small city once thriving full of life, but now desolate and abandoned, well abandoned eight for the horrors rumored to reside within. Which I presume while you're here. Now. There's nothing wrong with a little morbid curiosity. But please remember to stay close to your guys. Be wouldn't want anyone to get left behind. Hello and welcome to nope Ville the city where all your horrors and nightmares reside hall of your horrors, my horrors. I'm your tour guide Jen. Also your tour guide Christine. I guess. You can. You can be here too I mean I do get the start today. To just sit back and listen to you. Talk for a little while anyway. Listen to you, yeah, so this is our tour on Charles Manson. Our first steps into cult territory Yup will be mobile, getting a little bit toes, wet skin our toes. What and the colts? because. That doesn't sound weird. Today. On to- when the Colt! Was a grape. Drink is the kool-aid. The kool-aid in the ocean, yes, Charles Manson or is. He liked to be called Charlie. Of course. Yeah, I think I refer to him as Manson just Manson most of this I can't call him Charlie. because. It sounds like we're fun. We're friends and yeah. I can't do I'm like no, you're just Manson. Yeah. We're definitely not friends. Yeah, and even. Charles just sounds a little too formal to former for who he was. So our dear Charles Manson was born on November. Twelfth, Nineteen thirty four to a sixteen year old mother, and he was pretty much destined to become the leader of a cult of young people that felt they'd been abandoned, 'cause his mom spends quite a bit of time herself behind bars. So for a couple of weeks after he was born, he was just called no name Maddix well, Yep, before he was named who'll Charles. Mills Matic Mills, Maddox, a paternity suit filed by his mother Kathleen medics against a Colonel Walker Henderson Scott senior muffle. Now links his biological father who happens to be a conman? Scott as it turns out is not actually an army colonel at all that. His given name all along like his name is currently. I don't know what's worse that or what baby boy. There's just no name. Oh No name, just name no-name. Okay, if I don't know what's worse. So when Kathleen informed him that she was pregnant, he told her he'd been called away on army business to escape the responsibility. Okay? When Kathleen realized he was never coming back several months later after he was still just gone, she ended up marrying William Eugene. Manson about three months before little, Charlie was born. Okay, This person seems to have actually been at least a law-abiding fellow on paper. Paper there was nothing reported about anything. He did there then they got divorced two years later. Yeah, because he got all his sleazy genetics from his biological mother and Father Right? Yeah I know he had nothing to do with it except giving Manson his last name. Yeah, so his mother spent plenty of time locked up as I mentioned before for various reasons like assault, robbery and grand larceny. Yep there's a bit of an alcoholic as well. It sounds like she spent quite a bit of time at alcoholics. Anonymous a non no, no, no, no. Enemy. So thanks to her stints in prison. Charlie spent most of his life in and out of different institutions, or with his aunt and uncle by the age of nine Manson set his school on fire. And before the age of thirteen, he was getting in trouble for truancy and petty theft put like. Isn't that something? We all wish we could do. And he had gut. It actually do it. Just took it upon himself was like you know what everybody says they want to burn. Was Doing Aquino what slow! Yeah burn down the ORLEANS. KITCHEM at the age of thirteen. Charlie was placed in the guilt Catholic school for boys. In Terre, Haute, INDIANA the school would punish students breaking even the smallest of rules. And those punishments included beatings with either a wooden pallet or leather strap well then. Twice, Manson attempted to run away from this place the first time being returned by his own mother after Christmas, but the second time he successfully made it to Indianapolis where he committed his first known crime robbery of a grocery store, which he was originally doing just to get food, but then he discovered I think a cigar box full of money and took that to get himself a place to stay and some. Some more food right after this. He tried to go straight for awhile and got a job delivering messages for Western Union but it wasn't long before he was resorting to petty theft again to get some extra money. By nineteen, forty nine, he was caught and sent to boys town, which is juvenile facility in Omaha Nebraska, but within days he and another student Blackie Nielsen obtained a gun and stole a car. Charlie was about fifteen at this point. Two boys committed to armed robberies on their way to Nielsen's articles home in Peoria Illinois turns out. Nelson's uncle is a professional thief who allegedly took them on as apprentices. Charlie was arrested again two weeks later in the night. He wasn't a very good apprentice apparently. Wasn't a very good teacher could be a little bit of both. A yeah, I'm willing to bet on that. No not. So two weeks later, he was cotton arrested in a nighttime raid of a store and was lucky enough to also have his previous two armed robberies tied to him. Did he have like the same Mo then? I don't know it didn't say oh. Yeah like Howard. How are they tying those together? FIGURE OUT him. must he must have had the same amount like he must have been like the same or. fessed up yes. Yeah after this. He was sent to a strict reform school the Indiana Voice School, where he was allegedly raped by other students at the encouragement of a staff member, what the foot and also repeatedly beaten okay, so this led him developing his own self defense technique at the school when he was physically unable to defend himself, he called this technique the insane game. And, he would screech. Grivas wave his arms to convince his aggressors that he was insane. I've heard that that's ineffective is to. Yeah pretending to be absolutely insane. Because if you're unpredictable than people don't know how to react, yeah, especially, if you're screeching. Yeah, and waving your arms in the air like you just don't care. He attempted to escape the school total of eighteen times, but was finally successful in nineteen, fifty one when he got out to other boys. Okay, so he needed to people help the. The three of them made it as far as Utah by robbing filling stations in stealing cars, trying to get to California allow. Yeah, so now he was sent to Washington DC national training. School for boys. When he was caught for the federal crime of driving a stolen car across state lines, so he got sent back all across the country after making it till you. fucking. Here, he was given like assessments and it was discovered that he was actually illiterate. Oh, but because he kept breaking out of school, I mean, but he was also beaten, so maybe it wasn't getting a whole lot of learning done anyway, brain dead, but he had an above average IQ of one hundred nine weird. Yup I thought that was okay all right, so we can like critically think, but he can't read right. Though yeah, so his caseworker deemed him aggressively antisocial. Yeah, and with that sounds about right. With that assessment, he a psychiatrist recommended that he be sent to a minimum security institution so by October. He was transferred to Natural Bridge Honor Camp. A month from his parole hearing in February, Nineteen, fifty, two Manson was caught raping a boy at knifepoint, what the fuck, and was then transferred to the federal reformatory in Petersburg Virginia. You would think had that done to you. You wouldn't want to do it to other people. But? It sounded like he was like his childhood was full of him, not being control right. In the for the first time in his life, he have him sense of control. Yeah, like not only the knife, but like the raping. Yeah, yeah with being the aggressor for once. Yeah, although he is kind of aggressor when he robs places, point but. You know at the Federal Reformatory Petersburg. He committed another eight serious disciplinary offenses three involving homosexual acts. This was a quote. I don't know what these acts were. Specifically. You can use your imagination I don't want to I don't either, but. Those, who would like to so? He was moved to a maximum security reformatory in chillicothe, e Ohio, where he was supposed to remain until his release on his twenty first birthday in November of nineteen fifty five. But was released early in May nineteen, fifty, four, due to good behavior. Why isn't a thing? Is. You hate that you can totally fake. You can fake one hundred percent of psychological thing you can do. Why is that a thing? That makes me really mad. Anytime I hear about people who've done heinous crimes and. And they're like he was released on. Good behaviour. Shot the follow up. So after he got out, he married. Jeanne Willis in January of nineteen fifty five, but by October of that year he was once more chartered a federal offence. Of taking a stolen car across state lines when he and his now pregnant wife drove from Ohio to Los Angeles a few months prior, it took him all the way from Ohio to California. Get clock. Yeah, and it was like three months after they'd already arrived in l. a. when they got caught so. Stolen car and they're like yeah. I would assume they just ran the place because they're like Ohio. So a psychiatric evaluation led to him getting five years probation, but his failure to appear at an La. Identical charge filed in Florida led to his March, Nineteen fifty-six arrests in Indianapolis where his probation was revoked, and he was sentenced to three years at Terminal Island San Pedro California in this all over the place. He's just getting a thrown into pretty much every prison. No! Maybe as a bucket list. He's like Neptune. Nobody does that way. He doesn't even know he's like. Check them off. He's got one of those little scratch lists where you Check it out by got it scratch and sniff. So of course Ananias. California would probably like orange maybe. Got Us oh, that's true. Rapport your favorite. So, obviously Rowsley gave birth to Charles Manson junior while Manson was in his first year imprisoned. Pregnant when he went in so the following year in nineteen, fifty seven. He had sorry she had stopped visiting. Was Living with another man. Okay, his mom told him know. All right I don't. Like following him across the country like his mom, yeah. So less than two weeks before his parole hearing Manson attempted to escape by stealing a car and was given five years probation. and. Parole was obviously denied. It's so repetitive dealer. Car Jail Steel. I know tried to escape tale like why. Why even bother just just turf your time at this point? You to get parole. By nineteen, Fifty, eight Manson was given five years. Parole in Rosalie had divorced him spice. Don't blame her, however by October. He was pimping a sixteen year old girl, and another girl from a wealthy family was supporting him already having girls taking care of him. Teenage girls, teenage girls in September of Nineteen fifty, nine Manson pleaded guilty to charge of attempting to cash a forged US treasury check and ended up receiving a ten year, suspended sentence and probation after a young prostitute named Leona made a tearful plea before the court that they were deeply in love and would marry. Harley were freed okay, so the beginning of the cult not quite, but we're getting there all right. Yeah, inching slowly and slowly up through the wormhole. They did in fact. Get marriage. Oh! Within the year Manson was next held and questioned for violating the Mann Act by taking his new wife, Leona and another woman to New Mexico for the purposes of prostitution, the man act for those of you who may not know made it a felony charge to engage in interstate or foreign commerce of transport of any woman or girl, for the purpose of prostitution or debauchery, or any other immoral purpose so trafficking. Yes, that was my thought while I was reading that earlier. Human Trafficking Yeah after one of the women was caught for prostitution Manson was arrested shortly after ended up serving out his ten year sentence having violated his probation on the forge treasury check, so he went back to prison for that from July. Nineteen, sixty one to June nineteen, sixty six Manson was kept in the United States penitentiary at McNeil Island Washington where he took guitar lessons from Alvin Creepy Carcass, creepy carcass. Is. Nickname was creepy. Because that's a nickname, you want the leader of the Barker carpets game so in June nineteen sixty six. Manson was sent back to Terminal Island to prepare for early release by March. Twenty first nineteen. Sixty seven has released A. he had spent more than half of his thirty two years of life in prison and other institutions sounds about right. He even told authorities that prison had become his home and requested permission to stay L.. was denied yeah. So. Yeah that was interesting to me. He was like yeah. You know which I guess I have heard of that. Yeah, that reminds me like yeah. I think that's what we're going to talk to you on that. There's a lot of killers who end up in jail on. They're like you shouldn't let me out like I'm just going to do some bad shit when I get out. Because they don't know how to be people anymore. They don't know how to live in society. Yeah, how live in jail they know how? Criminals like. Being Standing Member of society, we'll even outside of that. Isn't it? Like what the? Shawshank redemption one of them explorers like somebody got released, and they just didn't know how to deal with it and I think they committed suicide. That's like PTSD with soldiers. Yeah, like you just don't know powder. Be Normal Person. Yeah, so yeah I thought that was interesting, but it does make sense. So Manson emerged from prison into an era of free love. Right the Senate he quickly begin to attract a group of followers from around California. Mostly Young Women Manson was able to sense the alien nation bewilderment in weakness of the Hippie culture and knew just how to explain them. He had an uncanny knack for finding girls who were damaged receptive to his thoughts and ideas, women who had hole in their lives that they were looking to fill somebody missing that they needed like a father figure, or whatever, yeah, so people, the second member to be recruited to the Manson family was from She had just been thrown out by her parents and Manson. pull up and got out saying your parents through your out, didn't they? She asked him how he knew that he just knew the look on her. Yeah But from the sound of it, it's not like shaller stuff with her. Okay. So she asked him how he knew and I I assume he offered to let her come with him. Yeah, she says that he waited about thirty seconds and told her he can't make up. For her, and said goodbye, and he left, he got about halfway down the block before she gathered upper stuff when after. It's like when you play the the phone call game after you go on a date with someone I'm going to wait three days. But she was just totally flabbergasted she but she had also thought he was a genius and a psychic. Knew that she had been thrown out of her house. Yeah, even though the signs were blatantly. The sad girl on the side of the road with a bunch of belongings. And your young until if you're a teenager. Still Live with your parents. Let's either apparent or an ex-boyfriend. With you being young enough. You were probably thrown out by your parents yet so. Yes she. I guess it's safe to say that. She was enamored from the start. And from video interviews I've seen cheese most certainly still enamored with the man like she gets a little sparkle in her eye and smiles at the mention of him. Yeah, it's scary and she's like what in her sixties now yeah! I think so for her. Though life improved dramatically once she became a part of the Manson family because he was able to escape from the frightening household where she was treated like A. A wrongdoer by her father, so Manson very quickly became like father figure for her like I think he did for a lot of other girls. Yeah, a lot of the girls were really young like you said yeah, so the core members of his group included his right hand Lynette squeaky from Charles Tex Watson Robert Beausoleil. Mary Burner, who I believe was actually the first person he took it and she was a librarian. Inch Susan Atkins Linda Abyan Patricia Krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten. So the Group of about twenty five young people settled on abandoned movie set called spawns movie ranch, nineteen, sixty eight. Every member had their role to play. The more attractive women were kind of sent out to take advantage of men surprise surprise considering he used to prostitute other girls yeah, squeaky was the group's den mother, so she was sort of like the motherly figure. She was always kind of like there to take care of people and stuff like that. And Pat was sort of enforcer she if anybody was questioning whether they should be there or if they wanted to stay or if they were trying to get out, there would be sent to her, and she would somehow kind of convince them that it. You know it was okay to stay made them. So former members also state that Manson would offer them LSD, so they were constantly tripping. And tell them to take it, but would either never partake of it himself, or he would take much smaller doses to kind of maintain his own lucidity interesting, but is it really that surprising because he could make them more successful? Yeah, say that kind of plays into the control aspect where. Like all you as tripping, I'm not so I, can make you do nervous i. want you to yeah, so he was always kind of preaching to them in his own way of just like you know his bizarre I say thoughts, but like he would say things that to them because they were under the influence, just like prophetic like you know, time didn't exist. Before man came around man invented time. Mind like go shit. I can't believe I never thought of that before. So yeah, that makes a lot of sense for how he was able to like manipulate an influence them that they were just constantly in a state of high. And such a large group and it was so you know it was so rampant at the time. Know the whole free love Euro with drugs and all that just being everywhere. So that's all I have about our lovely Charles Manson and his people his. Trigger warning what she had to get into is It's very brutal. It's very glory. Yeah, so I'm sorry, but if you're sensitive or you're listening in an environment where it is sensitive, hopefully, not listening with your children, but yeah, put your headphones on or off. Yeah, you know, wait till later we'll. We'll give you a second. Okay, so in his life. Manson was essentially a failed rock and roll star. While in prison in the early sixties, he taught himself how to play guitar. Well sort of sort of little little bit of hope. Yeah, there was another inmate and that kind of helped him, and then after his release he went to San Francisco where he met Gary Hinman. That's someone I'll touch on later. Gary Hinman. Put Him in touch with Dennis Wilson. who was a member of the beach boys? Wilson then introduced Manson to music producer, Terry Melcher. who kind of Kit Manson on the hook? Because he considered producing him after hearing Manson's music, but like ultimately decided not to, and he kinda ghosted Manson. Dick Yeah and the reason why I bring this up is because the house of Sharon Tate Roman Polanski were that they were renting. So it was the former house of Terry Melcher. So Terry Melcher was a previous renter before tate and Polanski took it over. So there's some theories as to why Manson in the family chose the House that they did was Sharon tate and Polanski the night of the murders at this time, Laurel Canyon was like the center of rock and roll culture. Okay and many famous residents live there so naturally. Manson gravitated towards the area. Right. Manson was also really familiar with the house because he visited while Terry Melcher live there that make sense. Yeah, there was even an account from Sharon's personal photographer Khatami. That Manson actually came to the House one day asking for. Melcher but Khatami told him that this was a Polanski residence. Like maybe you're looking for a neighbor sharing peyton Roman Polanski implants deliver now. In Sharon was supposedly on the front porch during the time, and there was nothing obstructing her and Manson so chances are they saw each other? Right, and so Manson like fully knew that like Belcher didn't live in this house anymore but in. The area is similar with the House. It's just really ominous I don't know. Maybe he was kind of hoping that well. Maybe he doesn't live here anymore. Maybe you know where he lives now or maybe you know. Maybe he was just kind of reaching. Yeah, because he was looking for Melcher, appears like I said he was like on the hook, but like Malchow like goes at him, and he's like. Yeah, no I'm not gonNA produce you. Know! He didn't even go so far as to say that he was looking. Because he like the bigwig music producer. Who Cares if like I ghost? This link random person off the street you know. How to play Guitar Prison, Yatch and so like I ride that he was just okay like he wasn't good. He wasn't bad, just okay. Right, obviously, like nothing worth being famous like the beach, boys or something, right? So that's why Terry Melcher just like I'm not going to give him the time of day, not worth. My time still took him still yeah. So talking about rock and roll in the sixties, Manson was obsessed with the Beatles. he even told multiple people that if given the chance, he could be bigger than the Beatles. Oh my God, but I mean realistically who wasn't obsessed with the Beatles at the time. Yeah true. I know. My mother was a huge fan. Well! Why not. So he took some songs and lyrics from their white album, and connected it to the New Testament's book of revelations in the Bible. which like if you're not familiar with that book? Kind depicts like the end of times. And I didn't list this. Because this is just such a heavy topic, but if you go on, wikipedia the actually have a list of lyrics from the album and leaner. What the lyrics word and then how Manson interpreted that lyric really so it was really interesting. Yeah, I didn't put in any examples or anything, but I just want to reference you to that wikipedia article. It's fascinating. But one that I do want to mention is helter skelter. I'm sure if you've heard of Manson, you've heard of yearly familiar with the term. You may not know what it is. But have heard some sort of connection between helter skelter. Manson, Yup, so it's a song by the Beatles on the white album, and it was originally it was named after a slide found in playground amusement parks that like twist and turn. Ya You know I, get that yeah yeah okay, and Manson interpreted the song differently and later started saying that helter skelter was an oncoming race board that he had always been prophesyzing about. I would love to read his interpretation of the lyrics because that blows my mind that they were talking slide here of all. And he was like. War Yeah wars coming. Yeah, but not just any war well, because apparently hid always talked about this oncoming race war, and it wasn't until he heard helter skelter where he named it helter skelter. I mean in reality. He wasn't wrong. It it has. Rights movement, yeah, the civil rights movement like really took a took a stronghold in the sixty s obviously like there has been like centuries of turmoil between. Blacks and whites and stuff like that, so he's not wrong that something like that was coming, but Even still today I mean it's insane yeah. He said that the race riots and the black militancy of the sixties was just beginning. And during the war, he and his family would hide out underground in after it all ended, they would rise from the rubble and be on top and of role. What was left? Who did he think was going to win? Or does he? He? Yeah, he thought that the blacks would win. So. Brittle me this. How is he going to prophesized that? The blacks are gonNA rise up against the whites and take them down. And then he's going to rise from the rubble, a white man, so this is where. I'm uncomfortable talking honey I but there is an answer to your question, so he felt that the blacks would win. Right. But. They were too uneducated to know had rule. Says the illiterate asshole now who's getting prison his whole life, so he was he and his family. We're going to teach them. How to rule. And by doing, so they would be on top with the ruling race. I promise you. They know how to rule without you. Chair if they if they ever wanted that, they want that. So. That's the answer to your question. Yes. At his trial which you're gonNA, get into later We're just GONNA touch on a little bit because he mentioned helter skelter. So at his trial, when asked about why he committed the murders Manson said it's the Beatles the music they're putting out. These kids listen to this music and pick up the message. Slow subliminal. Yet and in an interview with rolling stone in one, thousand, nine, hundred seventy, he said this music is bringing on the revolution, the unorganized overthrow of the establishment. The Beatles know what's happening in a sense that the subconscious knows. So essentially he was listening to the Beatles and he was like. Yeah. The Beatles know exactly what I'm talking about like in all, these kids are listening to it, so they're the ones who influenced. Yeah, the listen to me when it's time yeah! Go Man so in an interview when asked about Manson and the connection to helter skelter, Paul McCartney said that he titled after an Amusement Park Ride. And it was originally a metaphor for the downfall of civilization. which yeah I was Kinda confused with Mike Yeah that kind of sounds like how Manson interpreted it. I mean the only thing he did was at his own flair to it by. Yeah, they racehorse specific. But he. He pretty much. Hit the nail on the head. So he said quote I was using the symbol of helter skelter as a ride from the top to the bottom, the rise and fall of the Roman Empire, and this was the fall the demise. The going down right which I mean I mean, yeah, I could see how Manson would have gotten that if that's Paul McCartney had originally intended. Yeah I mean they literally intended for it to be. The society's coming to an end. Yeah, in a helter skelter sort of way. And that's what he read. Yeah, a lot of the other. The other Beatles members had things to say about it like John Lennon was like kids. These days are always looking for meanings in our lyrics It has nothing to do with that. People are always reading between the lines and stuff like that so. Yes and so I'M GONNA. Talk about the murder victims now and before I get into how they died I wanted to kind of background on who they were as people. Right because their name was just Kinda went down in history as like these gruesome like murders, with by the Manson family and I just want to kind of give you a little bit of who they actually were. Give him the respect as the list of people who died and pretty much. Yes pretty much. All these articles like Manson family murder victims I'm like they were people yes. Victims, they most certainly and like they all like had their place in Hollywood like old Hollywood. So the first victim Sharon tate. She was born in Dallas Texas on January. Twenty, fourth, nineteen, forty three, she was a model and actress who was known for her roles, jaded, recurring role in the beverly hillbillies her first. Major role in a movie was I of the Devil. And she was also co starring with her future husband Roman Polanski in the fearless vampire, interesting yeah, and then one of her breakout roles was valley of the dolls during her audition for the fearless vampire. Actually, that's when she met Polanski. Because? He was the director and Co Star. Yeah at the time. However, she was dating JC bring. No and he is actually one of the other murder victims awhile. I'll tell you stayed friends. Yes, so actually when Sharon wanted to break up with Jay, so she could be with Polanski. Jay Actually flew to London to try to fight for her. Oh my goodness out! I. With after meeting Polanski, he decided he liked him and he was a good guy. Oh Yeah and gave sharing his blessing, because Sharon was just like head over heels for Polanski and then Jay was like. He's a good guy, and then after that the three were just really good friends. Yeah in one, thousand, nine, hundred, Sixty, eight. Sharon Tate in Roman Polanski married in London and she became pregnant shortly after that. And then they rented the House the infamous House on Cielo. Drive that no longer exists that no longer exists. so during her life, Sharon served as a fashion icon, and even currently her style is still a major influence Oh for instance in a twenty ten photo shoot Drew Barrymore took inspiration from Sharon tate style for Harper Bazaar Magazines Bread. Interesting and the costume designer of Madman stated that she took inspiration from Sharon wind. She dressed Megan draper. Let's cool, and then like so Sharon was just like this really like bubbly like nice down to earth kind of person. rages like really liked her. So Jay, sebring, he was born in Birmingham. Alabama on October Tenth Nineteen thirty three. So he was ten years older than than Sharon, he was a very famous hair stylist to the stars and Hollywood and he founded the International Corporation. Let's go. He was known for innovating cutting men's hair, so I read about this like using scissors instead of strangers or something like that and shampooing ammann's hair before cutting it, and just like all the things you kind of know of today. He kind of innovative that for men's hair and so it. I read. It bumped the prices of men's haircuts from like one dollars to fifty dollars. So I'm like okay. But he was a he was a hairdresser to the stars, and some of its clients were Steve. McQueen. Frank Sinatra Sammy Davis Junior. So like a lot of really famous people in. Yeah. That's cool. He even helped jump start. Bruce Lee's career. which I thought was fascinating. Nice, so he met Lee at a karate championship in Long Beach California. And then he introduced him to his friend Bill Dosier. who was a producer and later Bruce Lee was cast as Kato in the Green Hornet. Oh Wow, 'cause bill. Do you know anybody that's good at martial arts. I'm trying to fill this role and JC brings like Guy I'm at school. Yeah, so those very cool. Yeah, and then actually Steve McQueen, said a eulogy Jay's funeral so vegetarian tells you like the influence he had in. It didn't just cut her. And then Abigail folder. which folder might sound familiar to you? the coffee. Father's favorite. Yes, the best thing in your cup right. Thing Waking. Best part of Waking Up. Okay, I'm not going to do that. Spoke! Coat, but you will. So she was born August eleventh, nineteen, forty three, and she was born into a wealthy family, and was the heiress to the folger's coffee fortune. She was a debutante and a model student who graduated from Harvard with an art history degree. And when she was in New York, she worked in a bookstore and then lady. She worked as a social worker and lower class areas. And it was in new. York than she met her boyfriend Vojtech for a Caskey He was an aspiring writer, and then they short shortly started dating. They moved to Los Angeles where they rented a home in the Hollywood hills. And Abigail actually volunteered as a social worker in the rough neighborhoods of La during this time as well. So, she was just a all around good girl. That's cool so Vojtech for Caskey her boyfriend, but he was born December, twenty, second nineteen, thirty six in Poland and he was said to be a troublemaker in school to insult who is when was when he actually met Roman Polanski. So, he met them while almost getting into a fistfight with each other. Roman Polanski was like the bouncer doorman of this school dance doorman. Yeah! Man, and he was trying to prevent Frankowski from coming in because he knew he was a troublemaker right and he was like. You're just going to mess up the dance for everybody in some like they almost got into a fistfight fight but they later became good friends and drinking buddies. Later like after for cows, skis, death like Polanski said. His tough exterior Vojtech was a good natured, soft hearted to the point of sentimentality and loyal. And Roman Polanski eventually began making his way into the film industry in Poland and Vojtech him around kind of helping him where he could. Eventually. Polanski went on to do his own thing. And vojtech was kind of wandering around looking for his own path in life, and that's how we ended up in New, York, where he met Abigail through mutual friends, the good girl. Yes, girl meets the bad boy, yeah! since Vojtech was a close friend of Roman Polanski. Naturally Abigail would frequently visit Sharon and Roman at their home. Actually while away scouting film locations and working on various film projects in London. Sharon in Roman asked Abigail and Vojtech to move into their home on Ceelo drive and house while they were away. Because, it was like a few months. That they were going to be con- for because they were working on film projects looking for film location things like that. But sharing was heavily pregnant, and so she returned home from London ahead of Romans or Roman kind of stayed back in London to continue working while sharing just came back to la, so she was eight months pregnant. At this time. So then we have Leena La. BIANCA LURKER! He was born. August sixth, nineteen, twenty five, and he was the son of Italian American immigrants through his early life. He followed in his father's footsteps into the grocery store industry, so he was like a wealthy owner of a supermarket. Served in world, war two and after returning. He married his high school sweetheart and had three kids with her. Wow although they later got divorced. Oh. Lino married Rosemary, so Rosemary Labianca. It's kind of if he on where she was born. They said she was born in Mexico. so she was raised in an orphanage in Arizona until she was twelve, and then she was adopted by the Ham, the harmon family after getting married and having kids of their own. She also got divorced prior to meeting Lino. Like, this was kind of a time where divorce was kind of like starting to get okay like like socially acceptable, and also like she's Mexican and La Bianca is a white person so mixed. Marriages were also starting to become a little bit more acceptable while so they're both doing really well for themselves Selena was running his successful supermarket business and Rosemary actually opened up a high dress dress shop in the same little mini mall of market. Yes, they're doing like really well for themselves, yeah! A little brief biographies of the other all emerged entrepreneurial in a way. Yeah, most of them anyway. Most of them. So! Let's get back to Manzoor in the family. Yeah, whether it was because of his failing music career, and his Hollywood connections were drying up, or for whatever other reason Manson believe that if helter skelter was going to happen, he and his family would be the one start at themselves right so their first victim was Gary Hinman broker, so the man I mentioned before. It was it happened on July. Twenty, fifth nineteen, sixty nine, so like I said he was actually a friend of Manson's, so the family knew him very well, and he is a musician and a music teacher, and it wasn't really clarified why Manson in the family targeted him. There's different theories in different speculations as to why. One of them was like maybe he crossed. Bobby boost lay in a bad drug deal. or he crossed another family member or like they were just after Gary's inheritance money, or they were like trying to get gary to join the cult, and he just kept refusing yeah. There's actually also a rumor that Manson attempted to murder. A drug dealer named Bernard Crow and the it was attempted murder. He didn't actually die. Manson needed the money to move out of spahn ranch before they were rated before they found him. Because crowded didn't die, so he could name Manson as his attempted murder so speculations, but regardless of the reason. On Channel Nine thousand nine, hundred sixty nine bobby. Salei went to Gary's house and tied him up. And then he called Manson and some other family members to come help, and they tortured him for several days before they eventually killed him. Oh my God during the torture Manson's life sliced off his ear with. A sword. To get that. Do you have to question anything that he does. At this point I mean it didn't sound like. He walked around with a sword on like the daily, just curious. This is the first I'm hearing about a sword. Yes, so he cut off Gary's ear and the girls who were with him, which were Susan Collins and Mary. Brunner so the two girls you mentioned. They sewed it back up dental floss. Oh! Yeah. No, But whatever it's called. The family members then held a pillow over Hinman face wall. Bobby stabbed him repeatedly until he died. So, they wrote political piggy in Henman's blood. Andrew pop print to make it look like the Black Panthers did it. Because they wanted to throw the authorities off their trail, and maybe it'll help start the race war right because a block printer very active at this time. And, so they didn't want the merge be tied back to the family. There's also a theory that they wanted to kind of create a string of murders similar to each other, so that when they committed the tate labianca murders later on, it would seem like a copycat murder or that Manson wanted to commit more brutal and shocking murders to get the nation's attention over days later on August eighth. Manson woke up the family members. Members in the middle of the night, so he woke up Tex Watson Linda Ca Sabin Susan Atkins and Patricia Krenwinkel in the middle of the night, and told them to dress in dark clothes in an interview Patricia Krenwinkel said Manson instructed them to do everything instructed. The techs told them to do so we kind of Texan charge of everything right so whatever tech said it was essentially directly for Manson so listened to him. So Manson told text to kill everyone in the house at the Cielo, drive residence and everyone that lived on that road. Okay, so he wanted the family member should just go up and down the road and kill everybody, not just Sharon Tate. he even told them how to get into the House since he was familiar with it from his previous visits with Melcher. Yeah. And like you said he knew her didn't live there. Yeah, so he was literally just can't well. I'm just going to pick this house because I know how to get into it so much sooner. The people that live there. He told them to make the murders look witchy. I remember hearing that end to right which he things on the walls. Yeah, and squish eyeballs on the walls, make you. As, you can okay, no, but the Abbas. It's gross. Lyndon Kosabe state back in the car to keep watches the getaway, driver, and so tex. Susan and Patricia made their way to the house. Tax climbed a telephone pole and cut the phone lines to the house, and then he jumped over the gate at the gate of the driveway. The first victim was actually eighteen year old Stephen. Parent who just kind of in the wrong place at the wrong time. He was visiting the caretaker of the Polanski residents. and. He was leaving like around midnight. He was leaving the home and if he left a few minutes earlier. Maybe I would have been fine. He was right at the gate when tanks jumped. Texts shot him. Four Times point blank and then stabbed him. God why I don't know excessive. Yeah and so tax walked up. The driveway snuck into the House the dining room window and let the girls in the front door. The first person they saw was Vojtech and he was lying on the couch in the living room. Vojtech asked who they were in Texas. I'm the devil here to do the Devil's work. Give me all your money. Oh, wow, yeah, he sent Susan Atkins to check the rest of the house to see if there are any other people in this part was creepy to me, so she walked down. The hallway looked into a room, saw Abigail reading a book on her bed. She smiled and waved at Abigail Abigail Smile and waved back. So I'm like you have this fucking intruder in your house or someone you've never seen before zooming the other people let her in. I mean clearly yeah for all. She knows there. She's a friend of somebody's. If the if you're walking around confidently, yeah, and smiling and waving. Must Belong here like I just thought it was so eerie. especially, the Abigail smile waved back. Oh yeah all the video footage of the. And, just how little they care is shocking I've seen a lot of pictures, and they're just like at their hearings and stuff they have smiles yeah. Fuck. So Susan continued towards the back of the House. And then she saw sharing J. in it back bedroom, talking to each other, so Susan went back to the living room to report tax what she saw that there were other people in the house, and he told her to round everybody up into the living room with a knife. He also instructed Susan to tie Vojtech up with a towel. So let's. Do all the work will Yeah. Yeah, but link with a towel. I know that's yeah, but they also had ropes because they tied ropes around Jay. Insurance Nex so. There's also a phone cord somewhere. Yeah more effective than Tau although we. We don't really want them to be more effective through. The way. He was tied an how haphazard he was tied into something later so. When Jay tried to defend Sharon saying, can't you see she's pregnant trying to defend her? Because at this point Sharon was eight months pregnant shoes very heavily pregnant. Texts shot him? And then when he fell to the ground, he started stabbing in kicking him until he died. My God and I think shot him a couple more times. Lord yeah because he stood up and try to defend Sharon like. To his last dying breasts like he cared about Sharon was protecting his wife the love of his life well, Jay wasn't his wife. Right I mean Sharon. Wasn't Z. Y. Yeah but extra. Yay Vojtech only bound by the towel. He was able to get loose, so he ran out the front door. Texts chased him down, tackled him on the Front Lawn where he stabbed him fifty one times and shot him twice. Yeah, Abigail also attempted to escape. She managed to run out the side door, and Patricia chased after her tackled her in Stanford Twenty one times. In an interview Patricia said Abigail whispered I'm already dead after she was stabbed the first time. And I'm like. Just, remembering like what you're victims, last words were light. Yeah like clearly haunted her for her entire life. Stole remembering it now. Yeah! I was watching. A documentary called the six degrees of helter skelter. There was a coroner who was kind of going over the autopsies of all the murder victims. And he said that the pattern of the stab wounds on Abigail Body it seemed like very frantic in frenzied right kind of like the attacker. Just like crazy going on, it's dabbing wherever and there were also sends that Abigail tried to fight off the attack. Right so you're listening to you I mean yeah. I'm just going to lay there and be like. Sharon was the last to die the whole time. She was pleading for her life and the life of her baby. She even said they kidnap her and kill her. Once the baby was born, she just wanted to make her baby was alive. And Susan said that she was tired of hearing. Sharon's whining and said to her look bitch I have no mercy for you. And then she stabbed Sharon Sixteen Times. Oh my God she carbon x on Sharon's abdomen. She was even tempted to cut the baby out of the womb to present it as a gift to Manson, oh. My God, she didn't do that, but the I saw in the document there. Yeah, the documentary I watched. They were crime scene photos an so disturbing because you could literally see a very pregnant Sharon tate bloodied on the floor Oh God yeah! That's awful. also document documentary. They mentioned. Had Susan cut the baby out of the womb. It might have lived as research survivor. like they said that if sharing was rushed to the hospital after the attack, the baby could have lived, but because it took a little while for paramedics to get there. Obviously, it wasn't reported until the following morning when the housekeeper came. Yeah, there was like literally nobody there. Everybody that was in the house died, and it wasn't until the housekeeper showed up the next morning, and saw all his bodies fucking elaine everywhere. And there wasn't going to be anybody coming, but speaking of if you know back to things like if something had happened a certain way, if that eighteen year old kid has left that few minutes earlier like you said. Number One, he might have survived a number two. He might have seen them showing up. Yeah, and he might have been able to at least run to a neighbor for help or yeah hide. For help like 'cause what was interesting is like they planned this down to the detail in that like Manson told them to park up the street and then walk to the house. So they can't so they couldn't connect the car to them the crime. Yeah, yeah, so they were essentially because like up in the in the hills where they lived, it was very common for people to just walk through just out of nowhere, so people wouldn't have noticed that like all the just us. Four people just walking down the road. Isn't saying to me that he's that smart and at the same time was constantly getting caught for everything. Like how how maybe he wanted to? I guess at some point in his life I think he was just kind of like. Yes, sweet, take me back to jail, but man before the family members left the house. Susan wrote pig on the front door in Sharon's blood. Oh God yeah, so kind of like playing into what they did at Henman's house. WHERE POLITICAL PIGGIES! Yeah so after that they drove down the street in stopped a random driveway, two hose off their bloody close. The owner of the House came out inside and I was like what the fuck you guys do, and you need to leave, and so like the family did the owner of the house was smart, and took down the license plate of the car, which ended up being a very important detail during the prosecution ochre, so while they were driving textile Linda to wipe off the fingerprints to the gun that they used in the murders and throw it out the car window into the Canyon. The gun ended up landing in the backyard Bernard Weiss. which was found a month later by his son, and turned into the police Africa yeah dumb. The night after the murders at the State House some sources said that Manson wasn't happy with the results, the murderers and called them sloppy, but so he decided to take the four back out along with two other members, Leslie Van Houten and Steve Grogan to go find another murder to commit. So. They found their way into the LOS FELICES area of La in stumbled upon the house of Leno and Rosemary, Labianca it was said that Manson chose this house because he used to party in a neighboring house. And since he couldn't go back there because they might tie the murders to him, they chose a house randomly across the street. Quote Unquote Randomly yes I mean I guess it was random, but it was random. House they chose, but it wasn't random in how they got there. Yeah, Yeah Texan Manson were the first to go into the house. Manson found Lino on the couch, and Rosemary was in the bedroom in a interview with Diane Sawyer. He talks about how he in texts like one of the first people in the house. And he said he saw a guy sitting on the couch, and so Manson is just sitting there putting his dog and who's like? Hi, and then the guy said hi back. So fucking weirdly. How are you not fucking scared that somebody's just randomly showed up in your house. Yeah, like how you're not immediately alarmed or no I did read somewhere that kind of like these murders influenced people or like make people kind of second guess you know locking their doors that makes sense because a lot of people at this time would leave their doors unlocked, so people could just walk in and out. Yeah, yeah, so we're time the. Game even imagine living then. Yeah Manson text tied up the couple with some leather laces that Manson happened to have around his neck told them that no harm would come to them. They were just thirty rob them right and then Manson left, and he took some some girls with him, but some and left, and the other girls went into the house to join texts m. that's when the shit went down. Text, tied pillows around the couple's heads with electrical cords attached to lamps. He's got a real thing about pillows on people's faces I. Don't know. Maybe it's to like level the screen. Yeah. Tex Stabbed Lino in the neck with a bayonet. Oh my God. Yes, only random fucking weapons! Well. It was kind of brought up that like. Around the time when? Manson I got the helter skelter thing in his head. They started the the compound that everybody was living in stopped being like a place of love and happiness, like they started learning how to kill people, and they started bringing in a bunch of weapons and stuff. Oh! Yeah, so it wasn't like just you know Oh. Let's just grabbed these girls and just see how they do. They were teaching them how to do stuff and I think from there. He kind of gauged, who could or could not carry out something like wow, so that's why he. He picked the four people to the tate. Murderers did the with yeah, okay. The same, and they were like these really heinous murders yet because I had I heard in an interview with somebody that they the reason that you know squeaky his right hand girl like the one who's pretty much at his heels. I mean Sadie I guess is the same way Susan Yeah the reason that. Eighty. squeaky wasn't involved in any of this was because he didn't think that she was capable of killing someone. Like Gavin I was so enamored with him. She would do whatever he wanted to. He just didn't think she had I. Think the Physical Strength. Do it or that? He just couldn't picture her doing it. Yeah interesting. Yeah I, mean I feel like if you're empowered enough, even do anything. And, so like, if this guy that you're in love with, says hey killed as person shirt. Yeah, but even she said you know I can. I can see that being pretty difficult sticky work. Even. She kind of agreed with that assessment. I am Yeah I. AM probably GonNa. Yeah, you're probably right. But he did say so. Of course she's going to believe it. Yeah, so he stabbed Leno in the neck with a bayonet. In case, you forgot detail, nope, the. And when he did this Lino, something similar to what Abigail said, he was like I'm dead. I'm dead. Yeah, and when Rosemary heard them attacking her husband, she began to blindly and violently swing the lamp. Those attacked jail electric cord, though trying to just like hit anything like she knew. The two girls were in the room with her. And, so she was just trying to hit anybody with. What good job. You went down fucking swinging. Go Girl Yeah. But when he heard the commotion texts came into the bedroom and started stabbing rosemary. And, he handed a knife to leslie inside. Do something. Because Manson had told him to make sure that everyone got their hands dirty. So Leslie took the knife and stabbed Rosemary in the back sixteen. Times. Oh my God in total rosemary was stabbed forty one times. Homework God. Yeah, it's really brutal. All over the body to arms, legs, but abdomen everywhere. Yeah, just like okay. Well I guess I'll pin cushion her I. Don't know that's insane yeah. Lino was ultimately stabbed thirteen times before he died. Patricia then carved the word war into his abdomen, and then stabbed him multiple times with a fork. Yeah, I was GonNa, say he was stabbed that where he died. How many was he stabbed after he did I? Think I want to say the autopsy report said he had like seven four puncture, wounds or something like that. But then she just leaves the fork in his abdomen. God. Goes Away. No, they didn't. They didn't do pig they did. Wars say that goes along with the. They did they did the so here's. Here's the things that they wrote on. The Wall is more things. It was more than just one word. Right, so they wrote the word rise. As if like the family going to rise up after the war, they wrote death to piggies. And they wrote helter skelter on the fridge, but they spelt helter wrong. This belt, Helter H. E. A.. L. T.. User, yes. Maybe. It's because Manson was illiterate, so everybody else will do. Not Spell for you on the album. Like I said, Manson took a couple of the other girls and left so while this murder was happening. Manson took the rest of the family members to Venice beach where their next target was Lebanese actor solid in deere. The reason why they knew about him, and where he lived was prior to this Lyndyk Abyan. Who one of the girls with Manson? Had A sexual relationship within the deer. However since Linda felt guilty for what was about to come, she lied about what apartment number year lived in Oh, yeah since they didn't find him at the fake apartment, they decided to leave and not kill anyone. I was GONNA say I. Don't remember hearing about this murder. Yeah, it was in the documentary. The six degrees of helter skelter right so like the murder didn't actually happen because Linda was like. Oh No, he lives in this apartment. But like what did they do just walking black? Me Are you near. Yeah so they like, so they actually knocked on. That apartment door saw that it wasn't a deer and was like all right, and then just left. Fork. Well, maybe because he wasn't anybody famous would've made an impact or like obviously. They didn't go to either of those other houses with those specific targets in mind. They're like no specific houses. Whoever's in there must die whereas this person's case, they just kind of go with us. Open Civic. Yeah, since they didn't find that person, it's like well. Yeah, yeah, decided to leave, not kill anybody, but not before Susan decided to take a dump in the Stairwell Oh my God. You woman. Okay this. Is Dumb at this time. Manson still had rosemary's wallet with him, so he told Lyndon to wipe down the Prince and hide the wall in a gas station bathroom where he'd hoped. A black person would find it. Use It to finance the upcoming race war. Yeah? And then he would coach them over yeah. So the wall. It wasn't actually found until December of that year, and at that point, the moisture of the toilet practically disintegrated it and this contents couldn't even be identified. Jesus phrased yeah, but so after after that they all went to Denny's an enjoy milkshakes together. Yeah I can see that. At first authorities had no idea that the Manson family was even involved in the murders of Tate Law Bianca's. They thought it was like a random like a random robbery that went bad or a drug deal. That went bad because actually taken abigail. We're KINDA KNOWN TO PARTAKE IN SUBSTANCES RIGHT? Yeah, so they they're thinking. Maybe it was like a drug deal that went bad by involving one of them or what, but like for a while. They didn't even know it was Manson. It was months before they even link them together so actually one week after the murders took place. The police rated spun ranch, not looking for murderers. Arrested Manson and other members of the family on suspicion of running an auto theft ring. Because there is a technical error in the warrant. They were all released a few days later. Yeah. They went there looking for stolen Dune buggies. Yeah Yep Yep. Not even knowing that they fucking communities brutal murders. Yeah, but. They were able to like. Play it off as they're not guilty enough to be able to re released like any other person with a normal conscience would have been freaking the fuck out. About the police, just showing up at your compound, but they're all like fucking sociopaths. They have no empathy and they're just like most all on drugs, so that to. Maybe they don't remember what they did. So Manson went back to the ranch, looking for someone to blame for the raid of course and Manson chose a ranch hand named Donald Shorty Shea. Remember the he was killed around August twenty fifth, so a few weeks later after the raid Manson. Bruce, Davis and Stephen. Grogan were arrested for the murder of shorty right and it actually wasn't until like nineteen. Nineteen seventy seven that Stephen Grogan confess where the body was Irqah well, so Manson and the family left Spahn ranch after that and moved to Barca ranch in death valley. were. It was also eventually rated. Manson and other family members were arrested for murder and sentenced to death. Now that you've ruined the outcome of the trial. Totally didn't know spoiler. Alert GONNA. Talk about the trial. So the trial began on July Fifteenth Nineteen seventy with Charles Manson, being tried for the murder and co-defendants Leslie Van Houten Susan Atkins and Patricia Krenwinkel. On the first day of testimony July Twenty Fourth Manson appeared in court with x carved into his forehead. which he claimed to have done saying I have X. Myself from your world. He canceled himself. Canceled Culture can't come canceling muscle canceling missile from your world. I don't exist. Can't try me. Exist. What are your lawbooks? Say about that. Totally would never sound like that ever well I don't know He. He was a free thinker, just out loud. His co-defendants appeared the next day with their ex carved into their foreheads. Okay, so already just playing right into the fact that they blindly follow everything he does. They do it themselves, or did he do? They did it themselves? I e. Okay so throughout the trial Manson and his co-defendants would interrupt and mock proceedings to the extent that they were repeatedly removed from. To be forced to listen to the testimonies being given from elsewhere in the courtroom. Courthouse. But in interviews with the girls, you know much later in time. They said that he would actually tell them what to do. To disrupt proceedings that day. Wow, yeah, so every day was just scripted way of disrupting everything. That's weird. Was He planning on getting from that? I would assume just dragging it out. Yeah, just postponing the inevitable. Of the death sentence, or maybe you tried to go for some kind of sanity. Thing. I don't know. So at some point during the trial, Manson family members outside of the courthouse, showed up in saffron robes, and threatened to immolate themselves or set themselves on fire. The fuck if Manson was convicted. Which I guess! Some nuns in Vietnam had done to protest the Vietnam. War pretty recently in. Wow Yeah and I guess they. Throughout the entirety of the trial, there were members outside all the time including squeaky. Holding vigil in talking to the press in just just like touting that there's nothing wrong. They're innocent. They do anything or at the very least touting that he's innocent I, don't think they really gave a shit about their sisters. Yeah I mean there was. A lot of conspiracy that Manson. Never actually like committed the murders. It's not really a conspiracy, because if you think about it, he didn't he? Ordered people to do it, but he did not actually do it. which was genius on his part. There was the attempted murder of that drug dealer though. But I! Think that was. Kinda SORTA before the time of being like no, I'm going to be smart and not involved in murder. Yeah, the key witness to the trial. Was Manson family member Linda. Carr's Avian, who had been present in the car at both murders, which you said so she provided graphic testimony of the murders before going into hiding for the next forty years. Obviously you know the state of California presented a lot of evidence, but she was the key like they had plenty of witnesses, but she was the main one that she was like physically there. Yeah, and I mean she was part of the Manson family so I mean I. Guess You would have reason to lie, but she's clearly lying in the wrong direction if that's what she's doing. Yeah, so during the trial in August. Nineteen Seventy Manson held a newspaper headline that said that President Richard. Nixon believed that Manson was guilty of the murders either directly or indirectly. which led to defense moving for a mistrial, arguing that their clients had allegedly killed fewer people than Nixon's war machine Vietnam. So, of course, the judge obviously asked the jurors. If they would be able to proceed with the current with the information they have, but would they. Would they be able to continue without that coloring their judgment and they said yes. So that that failed. On October Fifth Seventeen Manson attempted to kill the presiding judge judge older himself by him by leaping over his lawyers table with a sharpened pencil and heading straight for the judge. How is that going to help your case? As he was led out of the courtroom. In the name of Christian justice somewhat should cut your head off. L., yeah, so I'm I'm honestly not sure where that outburst came from. Yeah, but that's that's the thing he. At some point. He shaved his head and claimed he was the double. Okay, because the devil is often portrayed as having a ballpit in Horny said I think he made his beard kind of. I don't know something like that I know. There was horns cider sharpened. Dialing of his hair. So obviously, everybody expected the the girls to shave their heads. The next day. They didn't on purpose knowing that people would think that that would play into the fact that he's still putting them yet. They eventually did shave their heads though. So by the end of everything, everybody's got a shaved head kill. The State of California rested its case on November Sixteenth Nineteen Seventy after presenting twenty two weeks worth of evidence, the defendant simply rested their case without ever presenting witnesses of their own to which the three female defendants shouted that they wanted to testify, but we're denied. Will Not Outright in court I believe. The attorneys had already talked to the judge beforehand. That they were probably going to do that and don't let it happen. Yeah, so they were denied, but the next day Manson himself also requested to testify and was allowed to do so, but without the presence of the jury. Why I couldn't say but. His testimony was as follows are quote these children that come at you knives? They are your children. You taught them I didn't teach them. I try to help them. Stand up most of the people at the ranch that you call. The family were just people that you did not want I know this that in your hearts and souls, you are as much responsible for the Vietnam war as I am for killing these people I can't judge any of you. You I have no malice against you and no ribbons for you, but I think that it is high time that you all start looking at yourselves and judging the live you live in my father is the jailhouse. My father is your system. I am only what you made me. I am only a reflection of you. You WanNa kill me I am already dead. have been all my life. I've spent twenty three years in tombs. You have built and put. He was asked after that if he wanted to give his testimony again with the jury president, and he said no I think my point thirty been made. So he was given the option and it's like I said my piece to the people I wanted to say to yeah, so on January. Twenty fifth seventy-one, the jury found Manson Krenwinkel Atkins guilty of first degree murder on all seven of the tate labianca murders. Than Helton was found guilty of first degree murder in the lobby, Arthur murders. A separate hearing was held in front of the same jury to determine that defendants should receive the death penalty. The female defendants each provided graphic details of the murders, and claimed that Manson had nothing to do with them, but that they were following the direction of key witness Linda Custodian. The women claimed that they were supposed to make. The murderers look copycat murders or crimes similar to the Gary Hinman, killing in order to free fellow family member Bobsleigh. was being held for the murder. They also expressed no remorse whatsoever for their crimes. In any video I saw. That was kind of like. You know around the murderers. earn murders, my God the trial. The girls were skipping and singing and smiling. Let's. Busy, yeah, they literally looked like they were on their way to a picnic. Person Yeah. We're seeing some pictures of the girls and were like smiling. They're like in their jail, outfits and stuffing yeah. They think they look adorable and their dresses. I mean they were. They were such good looking girls, and they just ended up in this league. Just Yeah Toilet Bowl of Manson. Thing. So I know that up to this point. I haven't really said anything about our lovely friend Tex Watson Yeah. We'll happen with him. He had to be extradited from where he wasn't Texas of all places. I mean capsules in his name Nick No. Yeah. He was the last one of all of the to be eventually convicted of the murders He received the outcome of being guilty of all the murders plus conspiracy to commit murder with Manson okay so on March twenty ninth nineteen, seventy-one, the original four defendants were sentenced to death. Texts I don't remember when he got his, but he was also sentenced to death at the outcome of his trial. At this time, the trial had been the most publicized, American Criminal Case of the twentieth century, and was the longest murder trial in American history at nine and a half months, and this was at the time whether or not, that's still true I. Don't know yeah, in Nineteen seventy-two California's death sentences were ruled unconstitutional. Any prisoners at the time with the sentence could petition to have the sentence modified to life, imprisonment or life imprisonment without parole so outside of the prison seen Monette squeaky from had continued to try and keep the Manson family together and keep the legacy alive, but was failing You know. Manson's not there anymore. Yeah, like you don't have the influence of Manson. WHO's GonNa? Follow you. You're not as charismatic. You're not counting like wigs. He's in prison for life for all. They know so they're going to really do like that is gone. It's like so I'm following you yeah, so she'd been writing letters to the girls inside and. Obviously as years passed, those girls were becoming disillusioned with Manson's teachings. Everything in a remember somebody stating in an interview that at one point, one of the girls ask squeaky what she had done for Manson lately while they were rotting away prison for him so they went to prison for him. What are you doing? Yeah, so squeaky decided it was time to show her devotion, and on September Fifth Nineteen, seventy five. She strapped a forty five caliber. Semiautomatic pistol tore leg. Set out to attempt to assassinate President Gerald Ford Okay Yup. She was quickly wrestled to the ground and secret service found that there was no round in the firing chamber, so of course she claimed that she never intended to shoot him. Okay so again. I think that Kinda plays into like maybe she never really did think she could. Yeah but she did end up serving prison time because of that. Yeah, so well in an interview with Diane, Sawyer in Nineteen Ninety three. She asked Manson whether or not he'd been shocked when his followers returned after the murders and he responded quote Ardo. Put it this way. Would you do me a favor when you leave talk to the lieutenant and ask him if he's shocked by what goes on in here every day I? See Blood in here every day every day. Someone's getting shot. Someone's getting cut. Someone's getting beat. I've lived in that all my life woman that don't wriggle up my forehead. You could pile a hundred bodies in front of my cell and that. Don't set me to do nothing laugh. Yeah, so. nope the mummy. On January first two thousand seventeen. Manson was reported to have been suffering from gastro intestinal bleeding, and was rushed to Mercy Hospital in Bakersfield but was deemed too weak for surgery. Returned to prison five days later on November nineteenth that same year Charles, Manson, died from cardiac arrest, resulting from respiratory failure and colon cancer, so has of three years ago. Almost yeah, Dear Charlie Manson passed away, didn't he have lake women who wanted to marry him and stuff while he was in prison. Oh, yeah, there was a girl who thinks twenty six and they actually went so far as to get the marriage license. But when he found out that essentially all she wanted was his body after he died. The he was of course heartbroken. Okay and let the marriage license expire. I actually did also read somewhere that he was like one of the most written to inmates of all time like receiving sixty thousand letters shame. In the time that he was in there. Yeah, well, I think he even attempted to put out an album. From prison. He was caught with a cellphone patty. Then I I don't know how they get these things. How do you know how to use a cell phone? Yeah while put in jail in the seventies right? Yeah, but I would assume he's probably been around people that showed us. It is different from a phone. I think it's I think if you put an iphone in front of somebody who's used to said it was an iphone foot phone. Nokia book doesn't seem as a Damn hand-held just with the screen. It might have been. What are those bricks? I don't know I. Don't remember the year that happened. Oh right I'm. Yeah I was thinking like to thousands and I'm like if you handed somebody like a smartphone or even like a little, Nokia brick phone in there. You still like the phones that they had in Seventies. Have, would you? How would you know how to record music, too? I don't know how he accomplished that I. Know that five copies were pressed. and. Two of them are with whoever he was collaborated curve, corresponding with outside and three are believed to have been with him, and it was obviously never published. So This man lead on interesting. Yeah from start to finish, don't joke so I. Just have a few little pop culture references because this episode is really long. But I. Just kind of wanted to mention some ones that have found that were interesting so obviously like the most recent one is once upon a time in Hollywood the Quentin Tarantino Film. That's still really wanna see that it's a good movie. I really enjoyed it, and after researching like, Sharon tate in the murders and stuff I really appreciated kind of what Tarantino did with with it obviously spoiler, but. Flagrant here's what I really liked in the movie was. Sharon Tate didn't die. Interesting. It was kind of like a take on how her life could have been if she wasn't murdered. Interesting and I thought what was really interesting was so Leonardo DiCaprio's character and Brad Pitt's character obviously were fictional, but they were based off of people from old Hollywood. And, they were actually the neighbors of Sharon tate in Roman Polanski in the movie hooker and the Manson family ended up at Brad Pitt House instead of Sharon Tate's house, and it was like a really cool scene at the end Brad. Pitt has his pit bull, and he like six them on the family members. Brad Paisley beat the shit out of them and. Yeah. It was like fucking us as we're like a really cool like NC typical Tarantino, style of cuisine and Brad, Pitt was just like so fucking awesome, and like the family members were just like beat to shit right. Pretty. Sure all of them ended up dying, but like live on. There's like police in paramedics and stuff, and then Sharon. Tate played by Margot Robbie comes out, and she's like Oh Gosh, what happened? And then she was like, do you WanNa come inside for a drink and so invites Brad pay into the House with C.. Bring in like all her other friends and stuff. So one thing that I thought was really cool in terms of Tarantino's take on the whole Manson thing. He. Actually invited sharing tate's sister Deborah to come watch. Margot Robbie film scene as Sharon Tate. And it was a scene in the movie. When Margot Robbie, sharing date goes movie theater and she asks like the box office. How much for movie ticket? And they tell her and she's like how much if I'm in the movie. And and they're like you're in this movie, and she's like yeah. I played the KLUTZ. So like they take a picture with her, and they're like Oh. My God this lady was in the movie, and then they let her in, and she'd like watching herself on screen, and she just kind of like enjoys hearing the people around her laughing at her parts. So it's like so many listening to our guests and we laughing jokes. So I am funny. I we turn on external validation yeah. And so, what was really cool was Debra said when she saw margo filming the scene. She started crying because she felt like for the first time in fifty years. She saw her sister again. She said that Margot played Sharon so accurately just like the cadence of voice, the bubbliness of personality like she said Margot, did it really well, and she just really loved. How was portrayed in the movie oh? That's awesome. Yeah, I really liked that and on top of that movie's really good. Brad Pitt and Leonardo DiCaprio awesome. To Watch that when I get my hands on it, somehow I do I do recommend so some other random culture. Marilyn Manson took his name from Charles. Manson is a combination of Marilyn Monroe and Charles Manson, and he put the name together as Marilyn Manson. Because he thought it was a good balance between the female and male kind of powerhouses of the sixties and stuff right so I'm like. There's actually even South Park Christmas. Episode Oh Wow. Called Merry Christmas Charlie Manson. God in which stands uncle breaks out of prison, and brings his cellmate Charles Manson to Christmas dinner. Guns and roses did a cover of Manson songs. They're kind of like on untitled albums, and then in two thousand nineteen. There is a very inappropriate horror movie starring Hilary Duff, and it essentially made a movie based off of how sharing tate died. Oh! Such an insensitive thing and came out last year Oh. That's even worse yeah the anniversary of the deaths Oh. And yet N Deborah. When she. When she was asked about it, she was just I. Don't WanNa talk about that movie. Because it was such a not yet, it was like someone appropriate in your Fairly has nineteen percent rotten tomatoes. Surprising I'm just letting you guys know if you WanNa wash movie, don't. Let's not like some of the candy, but if they wanted to, that is true. Don't. Don't lose. It tells you. And, then one last little tidbit, it was featured in the cult series of American. Horror Story Oh yeah, then there's a whole list more movies books. TV shows just this guy just like. wiggled his way into pop culture even now. which a lot of a lot of people kind of commented on even back then like it just seemed like everything he was doing. He was trying to stay in the public eye. Yeah, everything he did it. Make sense trying to remain somehow relevant in someway. Also semi tangentially related. Sometime later the that was on Manson's forehead. He turned it into a permanent swastika. Why and he said the mark on my head simulates the dead head, black stamp of rejection, anti-church, falling cross double sign, death terror fear. Sure all right. I'm just wanted to make a statement. I, mean literally everything he did. Though yeah, so that's her really long episodes on Charles Manson. Yeah, sorry about that. There was no logical way to split this up. Hopefully, you're still here. You know you saved it for later. Yeah, and you learn something young. We always hope to teach you something yes. If you liked your tour today. Go ahead and leave us a review on wherever you book your tour today. You can visit our website at nope. Ville PODCAST DOT COM. You can contact us and this an email submit your campfire stories to us goes directly to our email. Yeah, which if you don't WanNa do that? You can email us at note. Ville podcasts at Humil- dot, com. Straight the source straight to the source. 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Episode #1419: The New Phil Hendrie Show

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Episode #1419: The New Phil Hendrie Show

"Yeah. What world-famous Phil envy show from the Pacific in southern California. That's about as booth thing ever heard my life. But. Oh, what feel it's true? Welcome to the program tonight, folks, this is the world famous fill in reshow. We have very unusual request from herb Sewell. And for those of you don't know herbs. He's been a guest. A regular on our program for number of years. Herb is also a guy that's got a rather checkered past, we won't pull any punches. Herb has been incarcerated for some pretty vicious crimes crimes against women and end minors. Get into it. I won't get into it. But he's what's come on tonight to talk about rehabilitation of inmates. And I think it's a worthy discussion. He wants to talk, specifically about rehabilitation of federal inmates the rehabilitation of federal inmates. So we're going to get him on the phone here. Joining us on our newsmaker line right now is herb Sewell and give a little bit of background, hurt, not a lot on how we came to know you and you are here to talk about the rehabilitation of inmates because, you know, little bit about it. Don't you I knew Philly? I know I know probably as much as in terms of rehabilitation of inmates. I, I may not know. Rehabilitating inmates. I was going to say general, if you give me half a chance, I don't feel a lot about rehabilitating. I know about being an inmate there. You happy. Argue. Okay. The point is you're here to talk on behalf of the rehabilitation of federal inmates. I'm here to talk about the military federally, but I want to do it in the most remedy possibly can and to that end. I hope you'll understand that one must make a stand. One must make a stand in order to facilitate, first of all in order to influence and then eventually to facilitate what one wants to do. What did you just get to Carol? I've been very polite generally has now I want you to just kinda shelve. Your natural tendency to be cantankerous and owners to mister Sulu listened to him. Thank you. Thank you very much. They will have to like the guy nobody said you had to like the guy, but he's still right now, general feeling is mutual five that sets fine with me. That's great. Fine with me. Two guys. Look, I'll just shut this whole thing down. We can do something else to get some other guest on busted on man. I don't think this is full general. You got to chill out. I got thank you very much. The people backing me up now because they know my good intentions, being on here and all right. So everybody's fine. General do me a favor. Okay. All right. So herb told me about it. What is it that I think I know what prompted you to get into this field something as I said, there's something revolutionary that I want to say. And is also pardoned possible. Another thing, the fact that I haven't been on your program that much I used to be on your show quite a bit. And now, I'm rarely on and I think it's because I haven't really brought anything to the table. And I think I have something to bring to the table here tonight. You being on the show now. It's still just that we can always work out a schedule added something that I think I should bring to the table. You think it's worthy where the something to bring to the table, put on the table, obviously to show around everyone at the table and hope they want to me to put it on the table, and they'll dig in and put on their bibs. What does it remind Jen? Okay. Go ahead. Yeah. Thank you. Because. Man, I don't want you don't wanna what now guys again. I'm going to give it to the count of five here and by that. I mean, I'm literally, I'm gonna count to five and I want both you guys one two three four five. Okay. What he wants to do promise. You're not gonna argue. All right. I promise failed failures guy. I promise. So go ahead, her purview or saying. My idea and something that I believe is necessary. And I believe it'll grab everyone's attention here. And I believe it will grab your audience's attention as I believe the time has come to parole. Mark David Chapman. Well, good luck with that. David, Mark, David Chapman, who who's this guy. He's a easy man. What is wrong with you? What's wrong? Can't believe it. I can't believe what David to kill John Lennon. Wait a minute. Now, hold on for a second soup. I thought Phil, yes. You're right. General questions. Can I, I haven't gotten done making my statement? Go on the minute. You said the guy's name. Yes, you're right. But I also am counting on certain equanimity. As certain equanimity and sedate and tranquilizing, you know, all the things that are calmed down, and all that, all those big words. Yeah. All those pig words. Go ahead. This robert. Thank you, Robin appreciated. So I propose question. Why do you propose that? What I'm gonna get into. All right. Why do you propose it? I propose that. Mark, David Chapman, be paroled for the overriding reason number one that the man has presented no problems while in prison. He has been a model prisoner. He's been in solitary for a long time. And in terms of his parole hearings, he always comes up with a stellar grades in terms of his behavior before you go on. I just win a my going to be. I just wanna say a couple of things can I make a statement? Look, this is an interview show, Soule sorry, general, I feel he's about ready to shut this thing. I'm sorry. Phil. By the way, the generals. Right. It is an interview show, so futa Baker. Big long statement. I just wanted to finish and say. Mark David Chapman. Yes, the assassin of John Lennon. Has been a has been a model prisoner and has asked to be obviously he's been up for parole. Glass. I don't know every two years since two thousand every two years, thousands of how many, it's ten quite ten. But getting now yeah. And I believe that this would Mark the beginning of a new era of good feeling between the public and are incarcerated population that if a Mark David champion can be paroled and go onto a fruitful and meaningful life. What kind of the guy is sixty five years old, sixty four sixty four years of age. Oh, get a load. Wow. So you can't how old are you failed? I've got a profession. I've been out in free, and I've been living my life, all of these years. We'll Mark David Chapman has been in as you said solitary confinement. He's been he's been incarcerated and he hasn't been a model prisoner for all the years that he was inside. How do you know about this, because I've read up on the guy? What do you mean? It hasn't been a model prisoner. What did you listen to them, so you don't have all the answers? Wait a minute. Yeah. Okay. Just like Phil said, wait a minute. Just hold on your right. He has been a model prisoner but early on. He was all kinds of problems. All kinds of people. They had they moved him from one facility to another. He. He went on a hunger strike, I think at one point. So what are we talking about man? I'm saying to you from the time that he's been eligible for parole. You know, you're talking about may. Well, we gotta get some questions in here. All right. Which is going to be five against one way out of it fighting sworn or whatever it is. I'll go I'll be on your side. Any Mark David Chapman on be paroled because he's because he believes in Jesus. Yeah. Okay. Do me a favor pigment. What's that? Got to do with anything but do a famous stay off by side. Know is because he said, so. So what if he said, you trying to tell me just because some, some chip inmate jump inmate? Yes, that's right. Some lion. Psychopathic inmate tells you these into Jesus, you're gonna believe him boy, Dickman, you are dumber than you look. And you don't look all that bright. I'm general Galen Shaw. So dumb. You applauded that, man insulting you. Wow. All right now, we're talking about Mark David Chapman, folks here with, with her Sewell, who is assembly take an interest in the incarcerated population of America that is inmates prisoners and wants to get into the whole idea of rehabilitating. What, what rehabilitation can take place, first of all, do you think Mark, David Chapman is rehabilitated? Yes, I think he's rehabilitated. I think he's shown that his parole report show that he's a guy who only recently has come to acknowledge the severity of his crime. That is not true. Well, according to what I've read true, he knows who was very serious. He knows when he knew humanitarian me eat, he committed a cold blooded premeditated murder. Well, but recently, he's acknowledged that it was evil and that it would that he had, you know that he had Mallon tent before that he had he was given all these excuses. Look let me finish getting. Out what I want to get out here. But you gotta understand. People are interacting with you. If you've got something, you want to say, and defensive yourself it will have to come as a response to the natural give and take. Margaret natural given take. You just blew my years out to market, Beckett off the Mike. Okay. The metro given me. Yeah. The natural human. All right. Here's some natural given tank for you. Mark, David Chapman has been in prison since nineteen eighty one of the panels when you go to prison. Wow. You don't know eighty one. Right. I think ninety one. I don't know. The try. Yeah. It's about that. Okay. That's more than twenty years. The guy got twenty life than me. He got twenty to life. Exactly. That's why his parole hearing started in two thousand. Oh, so they gave him a break of that. They gave the Trump break. Now they didn't have any break. It was it was twenty years. Technically. All right. He lived is twenty years inside a prison and we wanna keep wasting the taxpayers dollars. I love this wasting the taxpayers donors argument, you can apply that to anything, anything fact, why defend the country. It's a waste of taxpayers dollars. Well, that's a lot of people would argue who's gonna argue that a lot are you nuts or something? People are anti military, no one in anti military to the point. But I think that spending money on, on defense is a waste of hell man, get a this guy over here. We're talking here, though. If you don't mind, her no one thinks that general. So go ahead on go on with your defense here, John Lennon, now that guy was the was the Beatles. Yes, he was. Yes. He was the leader of the Beatles that man was one of the most famous people that John Lennon was beloved around the world and any loaded people loved him, according people loved him. He was famous and everything. A lot of people are famous. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Hold on. John Lennon was was more than famous. John Lennon was part of one of the. Well received musical groups in history. And everywhere they went I mean, Mark David speaking, a champion, they couldn't put him in Bregger population wouldn't put him in regular popular, you wouldn't be able to put a lot of guys and bringing a population as to do with him killing the most beloved man on earth. There are a lot of people who are Lennon fans in prison. So they're gonna kill him. Well, look Phil. I mean I'm here. Why Mark David Chapman, why not somebody else because that guy if I can sell this if I sell these papers man, I go around the world. Look, her Margaret, don't start laying down. Don't tell me how it is. Okay. Herb, I'm going to tell you how to you're not gonna get any sympathy for springing Mark, David Chapman springing him. I through the natural parole process. You know what I'm talking about. David, Mark David Chapman, killed, as we were saying, one of the most beloved individuals in the history of modern society, John Lennon part of the Beatles. I mean when that man was killed. It was like, I remember I was, I was a kid of eleven years old when Kennedy was assassinated. It was almost the same thing here. I'm telling you, it was almost people were almost as the only difference was that there wasn't any real national security issue there, it was just a great man who'd been gunned down. People were very upset with that. All right. People are upset. It's been what is it? Thirty almost thirty years dirty. I'm reminded of. The character there and colleague, Mrs Lynne, got shot in front of Thomas Jefferson high. You got him for thirty remember that anything just the way the way he said thirty years. Yeah. Does that make me a racist or something? Let's get back to the point. So you're going to go in front of the public, as you are here tonight on this podcast. Yeah, I know. But your audience? There's a good question. Why are you announcing that here on Phil show because audience and I say this with great love ladies gentlemen. God daily, you knew you had to explain this one. All right. Yes. Fills audience is kind of a bunch of good time people, and they don't. The words you can slip this one by them. Yeah. I'm not saying I'm not saying your audience. Stupid, Phil I've not seen that at all. I'm just saying they, they're a bunch of good time Charlie's out there. And they're all ha you know, I don't think so man. Okay fail. You know what the day's gonna come when you're gonna finally get a real good look at your audience, and you're gonna be looking out there, and it'll be a whole bunch of people in clown makeup. Just be all going with big those. With herbs whole hold on her. But he doing like I wanna go throw up. We'll get another Cup of coffee. Hey, Tony, what's the coffee? We're talking to herb Sewell. Herb is a right now. Herb does research for a variety of higher institutions of higher. Learning assistant. Professor research at under schools, and is technically on parole for his time that he spent pretty not really imprisoned, though, right? I was forensic hospital. That's way better. I was in. I was in a hospital prison for the criminally insane. That's where thanks a lot for that Phil. What does it you keep that a secret not with your mouth around? No, I'm not pay easy. All right. So let's take a phone call here and. Jay santos. Oh, right. Jay Santos of the citizens Serie you knew you're gonna have to deal with him. He's not even a real. Well, let's look what do you mean? Not compared to you compared to me, what I'm not a cop. All right. Let's talk. Jay Santa's here talking to talk to Jay. Santa's wears you bud. J satis of the citizens. Police j I didn't know your tens of ever Lee hills. Why? Lori tans right now having a steak and consoling tad on the coming summer. You know, he has his sports bar over here and sports bar has number people, and I was just advising him on how we would do a group move in a group move out, you know, to facilitate any security problems, they have consulting Ted on securing the prime rib room. Yeah. Take away just over here. 'cause Ola on the primary broom herb Sewell here. Who's with us? I'm fine. I think we've spoken before. Yes. I do. I do believe we have. Yes. And we're talking about herbs idea of paroling Mark, David Chapman, you wanna give your idea that sure interesting parolee, Mark David Chapman, to concept could very well be I don't know. I have to look at it from all size. Let me ask you, do you know who Mark, David Chapman, is I you know what? I don't know who he is. I've no. I don't so my so there you go. There's your cop, you know. Oh well, we'll we'll, we'll easy there. Sunshine. Hey, wait a minute. You don't know who Mark David Chapman is. I mean, I don't know what is he Manji so major Greg criminal or something or criminal ish? He's abandoned assassinated that murder, John Lennon, you know, who that is. John was Bill. Yeah. John Lennon was killed by Mark David Chapman. I did not know that. I thought you Lenin was still alive. I'm you've you thought John Lennon was still alive, everyone that you get serious? And I don't if you have to spend money, take it easy. General gets a real guests. So I would it be clear here, Jay how old manner you. I don't see how that. How old are you? I'm forty one. You never heard of the Beatles. Of course. I've heard the Beatles. Oh my God. Man. Well, you've heard of the pills have you heard of John Lennon? Yes. I heard a John Lennon. You didn't know that John Lennon was killed. I am. I. You know, as a member of the citizens police, don't you think it would be your business to know of the I don't know, to know of major crimes that have been committed say in the last fifty years, especially here in America. What are you telling me, you're telling you sent hosts John Lennon was shot and killed here in the United States in nineteen eighty Jesus. Oh my God. Oh my God. You're talking about much nineteen eight that's forty five four that's four years after I was born I was born so, so yeah. Four years after I was born four years after you were born. So what man rule were to end in seven years before I was born, I know all about it. That's because you had people you studied it. You're, you're a cop man, or he's a one of become IAM, Acis auxiliary police offer, and what you had to do, j, I don't wanna buddy because you guys are having such a good time. Learn how to say officer instead of offer because that's going to put you in good stead. I think with the various police agencies that you wish to intermingle with an interface with talking about, right? You're saying, I smart ad. We talk about g Santa's why I don't know. All right. So what hold on? We're talking with j Sandison citizens police. Why don't know because herb Sewell is on and her believes that it's time to parole. Mark, David Chapman, who has, you know assessment murdered, John Lennon, j who's a member of the citizens. Police boss. My balls. Wait a minute. Jay, who's a member of the citizens. Police doesn't even know that John Lennon was assassinated and has no idea who Mark David Chapman is, so that's the state of affairs and cop right there. There's your next to kind of competition. Gets on his program. What are you want to be on the show for? Well, that's a good question. Yeah. You want to be in a show 'cause you breaking invites casting net what did he just say you wanna be on a program at substandard? I, I didn't say that. I'm saying that tonight you're dropping the ball failed. Big time, a guy by the name of who's guy g Santos no, no, no. The guy that I'm talking about Mark David Chapman yet. Here's a guy you can't remember the guy's name. I forgot who we what are we talking about? You're talking about rehabilitating inmates. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Came on the program. All right. You know what I've had her? Just I just refresh when I was jarred. I was shocked by this idiot, you put an idiot in front of me. I'm going to be John and shocked weaving put an idiot from you. Call me. Call me. Are you calling me idiot? I'm calling you an idiot. I don't know what we're near you. I think you just said you, you. Ilias ice neatly the honesty. I don't what you're trying to say right now. I'm not an idiot. Let's call anybody any names. But you don't Jay. You are an idiot. Thank you very much. That's kind of thing that's the street mall. Feel area show. Jesus h guy. Well, you know what? I'm very happy Phyllis treating you that way because I came here, but the very serious proposal to to parole. Mark David Chapman, and he brought you on his security consultant. That's exactly right. Jay. Okay. Yeah. He brought you wanna just security can sell them. And here you are. You don't even know who the hell. I am. I don't know who you are. I mean that's the line. Jack Nicholson five easy pieces. And we've forget about Jack Nicholson movies. All right. I'm just saying you remember Jack Dickson talking to his, his deaf and dumb father on a cliff. He says he don't even know who the hell I am. Yes. How do you know that? And you born in nineteen seventy seven because Mr. Harry put the thought in my head, you know, something failed. We've got about as far as we can go with this thing, as far as I can see. I, I don't have to know who guy is where guy it'd be parole. Okay. Okay. Say that again, I don't have to know who guy is personally to know. The parole. Mark David Champa says John Lennon got twenty to life his parole. He started coming up for parole hearings in two thousand. And they have pretty much said he's been a good prisoner, but that he hasn't been contrite enough. He doesn't understand his crime. What do you think? I didn't know question my mind that he should stay in prison for residence life. Why? And what are you basing that on what Mr. Henry said, terms of parole hearing, he doesn't even know the severity of his climb up until about whatever twenty months ago, you even know who the guy was. And now you'll say, oh, Mr. Henry. That's right. 'cause what misery saying I here's what Mr. Soula saying on really curious damage weight. Well, here's what Mr. Susannah Sioulas saying that Mark David Chapman. Yes. Committed a horrifying crime, but it would be a behoove our society in terms of the goodwill of the people, and in terms of encouraging the rehabilitation of federal inmates to release Bach David Chapman, he committed murder for God's sake. Can I finish? Go ahead. Look they lead. John inc. Ligo. Didn't kill anybody bullshit hall that such. John England kill nobody John Hinckley. He routed depress. The United States. John Hinckley did kill someone James Brady died in twenty fourteen and they ruled his death a homicide the result of that bullet entering that poor man's head a homicide. John Hinckley killed someone. And he's out doing was granted role in two thousand sixteen because yes, you're right. James brady. Technically was a homicide. He was technically died as the result of that bullet. But yeah, go ahead. Go on somebody. Look at I don't know how the law state. The fact is that James Brady was there inside. But it was mitigating. That was, it was a mitigating circumstance. He didn't die right away. Oh he didn't die right away. Bob GAC you I gotta go with Phil. On this one. Of course you do you don't know what you're talking about. Santos. No. I absolutely do have to to go with on. If you're telling me, what are you saying? I'm not even talking to you. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. If this guy is gonna be on here any need to talk to me. And nj could you do something like I don't know if you have a penis in your mouth right now and it's fine. Thank you very much. God damn it. You can't hang the phone up. All right. I'm sorry. I apologize. That was very homophobic mystery to assume that I don't know what you're doing man. Okay. You got your both your mouth case, I was like you've gotta just about it. You've got a handful of something that came out of someone's diaper habit. That shoved in your face. I'm talking, I come from western Pennsylvania, and you guys are putting that down, what a racist, she that's not racism. Well, it's regionalism if anything, if anything if anything is anything. All right. So Jay Santa's with us. He's never heard of John Lennon as I have. Of course you have you just didn't know that the man was killed in nineteen eighty by a madman. Feel if you're gonna take me serious. I thought you take me seriously and you bring this, this Jack ball on here. I. Jay. Thank you very much, if I had chance to look up to sing and j Santa so the citizens police here, world-famous fill in Show Low with herbs as we talk about herbs ideas to rehabilitate federal inmates. And they step in the right direction few her is to grant parole to Mark David Chapman, isn't that correct? That is absolutely crankiest fail. And hold on before you. You know, obviously try to decimate mayors, you you've been doing because that's what I think is unfair more than anything else. You know, sue beta a minute, wait a minute. Cooled on general. That's what I think, is unfair. I come on here and I say in order to us. And so we should pro Mark David Chapman, and I am ripped on new skews by language asked by all of you people you tear into me every which way, but loose, I'm here to say something good about the penal system to try to get the ball rolling in the right direction to be ability, Shen, and no, no, no, no, no, no. What did you pick him? You knew that was going to be controversial a good question. You knew that we'd all we'd be up in arms the guy because. Yeah. Go ahead this this'll be good. I picked him because I figured I knew you get pissed off. This and it makes good. It'd be it'd be a light in rod for your career. Lightning rod for my career. That's a riot. It would be a lightning rod for the issue for my career. It's just about going to sink it because I'll tell you, there's anybody series about rehabilitating inmates, that's got anything to do with anything, and how do you know because I just happen to know it common senses, so say the Mark David Chapman, being paroled a step in the right direction. Oh my God. To know more about it than I do feel Where'd you get all this information reading. No, you guys got I wish I could say something dirty. Blow blow. Don't do it, man. Don't do. It's not worth getting eighty six from the show permanently all that. Everybody else gets to do it the panel here. They cut them a break. But the guests. No. Yeah. So what, what her how are you going to propose this, where are you going to go? I New York state is the place to not New York, the place to go. The next parole hearing from ach David Chapman, and present my case, and I will do so in the press leading up to that I it was his knick's Pru here. I proof. During the summer of twenty twenty the summer of twenty twenty little over year. That's right. And I believe me when I tell you, I will go on her major publicity in these efforts, you're going to have a lot of people that don't like you got to be a lot of negative press. What do you think of in dealing with all of my life negative press? Home man gonna bunny Bill, eight at Walter bell, evens wife, now, I was gonna campaign against me saying that I signed shink Bill, even in the back I'm out and he's still in because of I made some stuff up about him. That's what she's saying. You're kidding. No, I'm not kidding. Anyway, I said, are you won't? It doesn't want to get out anyway. And she said, I know that, but I wanna make it look like he does. And I said, why? And she said, I don't know why don't you call bunny Belle haven up and ask her. What she's talking about? She doesn't know she's just. She doesn't know she's just causing problems. That's funny. I don't tell you that woman is so formidable even Wolters scared to death of her. He loves her daily they've been married. I don't know how many years motor isn't afraid of thing, but he's afraid of her. That's the basis of successful marriage. I don't know. I got I got a headache. I got a headache to all I did was come on here and talking about. Yeah. There goes herb Sewell, folks. He is a pillar of strength. I had a very good point. And you guys came at me with the daggers out. Come in me, and I am bleeding and wounded and staggering to the road looking for someone to come by and throw me into the back of the better their truck or the back of their car. I get a hospital and that's the fantasy that you've come out for yourself. But do you think good luck where you go next? I'm going to try to get on some of these talk shows. I'm gonna talk to, you know where I'm gonna go, go to Salem because that's the Christians are. And they'll go nuts Beldale, although some of them, hate rock and roll so much that they may put me on. They might they hate rock and roll so much. They may want to hear from me about Mark, David Hale. They might well, it probably wouldn't agree with me. They hate rocket the he'd rock and roll so much. Yeah. Maybe that glad what he did. Thing to say watch out with that. Yeah, you're gonna you wanna get the Christian audience on your side. Well, listen that what I wanna do is go on that, that guy, which is Dan Prager. The guy that you, you remember when you, you clown called Prager called. Yeah. When I first got in town. Yeah. Yeah. He clone called equally this guy Prager. Got filled. All right. So anyway. Yeah, you go and Dennis Prager show. And I'm sure he'll be receptive to guy Dennis Prager will bore you with a big long speech about morality, and Jesus, and all this stuff. Yeah. Well, then, you know, he's got more in common with Mark David Chapman than I do. Oh, never thought about that. Did you didn't didn't? There's gas escaping me. There is herb. Sewell goodbye to. I don't wanna say goodbye to him on the world famous fill Henry show. Yeah. The big step in the right direction for the federal inmates in terms of rehabilitating them parole. Mark David Chapman. Oh my God. Kevin killed John Lennon everything. I know that, but I mean, did he, he's, he said he sorry? No, he never did say sorry did. Yeah. He did. But he didn't say the right when you go before a parole board. You know, they're not just hearing, the words you're saying, they're hearing, the words, you're saying and putting them together with your attitude. And if one of the big things, and one of the big things that hung up all those Manson women for all those years was, you have to recognize the what you did was your responsibility. And that it was really, really bad evil wrong, and that you, you own it, you know, you gotta take full responsibility. When it's all about, Mr. Aries always talking about. That's right. The only people in the world that agree with people. On parole boards. Apparently. All right. Phil. We heard that don't get a big persecution complex anyway. That's what the parole board. There has said about Mark David Chapman that. He's come before them. And he said he's sorry. And he says he's sorry to the linen family, his sons, and, you know, his widow Yoko Ono, and all that, but he's never really owned responsibility for it, and he's never really acknowledged how just horrible a crime. It was because it affected not just the Lenin family and affected. Not just the his friends. It affected a worldwide community of fans that was extensive. There was a longtime and, and it was very traumatic for a lot of people. So all of that, put that all together. And what are you got? You got a guy that's going to have to come to the table and say he's really, really sorry for that, all of that. And he never has. No, he said he did recently. Right. I think recently he made no. Is that? Yeah. You know what? I really do understand that it was evil. And but I don't think they're, they're buying it so. Well, I don't know what it takes for parole board to buy. I don't care, I happen to know that Yoko Ono doesn't want him out, and neither do the other family members. And they have said that he's a danger to society. I agree with that. You agree with that. You think the guy is go out and kill somebody else? Yeah, I do. I think the guys that nutty. And I don't know. They never did try him. Did he plead guilty or something like that? You're thinking about heavily. Oh, yeah. John Hinckley pled guilty before he could plead. I don't know what it was anyway. Yeah. I think he's I think he's a goofball. I think the guy's nuts and I do think that he's dangerous. And if it takes you all these years, man, if it takes you over twenty years going on thirty years to say, I'm the guy that killed him. I'm responsible. It was my idea I thought it up out of my own crazy messed up head, and it's all about me, and I take ownership of it, man. I you know, and you're and you're shocked by the crime. It's the other thing. But what you do start crying and everything like that. What do you idiot or something just one? They mean by that they know man don't know. Okay, if you are sincere and. One of the things that hung up for instance. I think one of the Manson women might have been Leslie Van Houten was that she was really horrified by what happened. She acknowledged that she participated, I forget, which one the lobby is. But she always kept saying, Charles Manson, Charles Manson, Charles Manson, Charles Manson manipulated those girls. But that's not you know, when you're a same thinking adult human being, you can say that stuff you could blame other people to cows. Come home, barbeque, but, you know, you, you can blame other people. But you gotta at some point own up to the fact that you are in charge of your own decision making and. Yeah, the guys and asshole. And yeah, he said, a lot of stuff. And. Yeah. You, you know, you, you were kicked out of your house, and you were living on the road, you report kid and all his bullshit. But, you know, if you did it, you did it, and I think that hung her up and. I know that Susan Atkins. She was real. Let's was way off the beaten path man. She was way out there pretty out there. Whatever man. Yeah. But we're talking about people, and Leslie Van Houten. I don't think she killed anybody. I think she was accomplished that kind of thing. But the, the whole tenor, the public mood on these things is also important. And with John Lennon, Yoko Ono herself said, I'm afraid not only for my own family. But I'm afraid that some poor innocent person out there is going to get killed if he's let out so that pretty much sunk that, but what a great comedy show. We have tonight. All right. 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I got God, well what happened was some people saying, here's your your your, your rapper name eerie, your dealer, coming up with different ways with different ways of doing well there, there has people to first your first thing and your your last name. What is? What is this? Like general, they'll say your first name is your first name is a season of the year. And your last name is a the last you know, when the last thing you hate. And what is this to be that stench him, you know, like your rapper name, or some, some stupid, name, the different name, people have these weird names. And so this is how you get that name. I don't understand it. I explain it to you after the show, general Kate, but I came up with a way of football name. And next thing I know I've got all these parents who have called, the, you know, the offices that school and are wondering what is it that I'm trying to communicate to people said, was here's your football name, something that blows up Anna, Anna, Anna, polish last name something that in a polish last name. Yeah, here's one that you, you did coach. C M eighty. No hausky. You're not going to get it general. I can see just kick back. Oh, just kick back. We can explain it to you later. But MADD allows ski was one Bill and then you had dynamite dynamite per game ski or stuff like that. Well, I mean it was it was okay when best idea world, but next thing I know I'm getting calls from parents, and what is this about, you know, you're communicating explosives? You're kidding. No. I'm not. And, and then they, they called the administrative office, Belmar, kademi and fed. Yeah. You know you got the coaches on Twitter. And he's talking about your, you know, your football name as an explosive that blows up and they go and what's this thing about polls. So I was in there. I'm talking to Lou Retton. And if some of the members of the board for about three hours out on a much going on, so they got really serious serious would me so I'm not doing anything other than just, you know, and I explained the whole rapper name and I got back to my office, and I started thinking about it, and I don't know. I got very, very angry. And I decided that I'd send out an Email to the parents did been complaining, and I. Tell me what did you do coach? You know, it's no big thing. But I just I signed my name, dynamite dosier, you know, you said, so they didn't like the idea of explosive and you decided to stick it in and break it off. I did. Because, you know that never works out for you on I wouldn't necessarily say that sometimes it does gas more than sometimes does. Parents, get up in my face. And I when I talked to the board, and they told me, I said, okay, sorry, I won't say anything like that on Twitter ever again, you know, dynamite Smith and all this, so I, but when I signed a dynamite dosier I did. So as a gag, but also as a kind of a wink to say, you think you're gonna come at me watch this. I'm coming right back at you. Okay. How did that work out for you? It was. I mean, they got upset because you're comes the second wave of phone calls. Just so I know last week on Twitter sticks plain to the audience last week at Twitter coach dosier said, here's your football name that explosive and a polish surname, people do this on Twitter a lot. They'll say, here's your rapper Nain here is your game of thrones name. Oh, yeah. That like. Yeah. Like a bird, an a loaf of bread or something a burden a for Brent debt, man, something like that. But this was coach telling people, here's your football name, come up with an explosive, that's your first name and your surname, polish surname of your last name. Everybody was tweeting in with all these names. Here's guys blows up like this is Anna bomb atom bomb new itchy atom bomb Nowitzki. There's a good football name great football. You kidding me? Something, I'm just telling coach people were, you know, all kinds of ideas. And so when all these people complain I've sent out an Email. I'm very, very sorry. I won't do it again. I was just trying to have some fun on Twitter. I know a lot of the students checked in with me, yours, very sincerely dynamite. Dosier. No. I didn't just dynamite, put Vernon dynamite dosier. Now comes the second way phone calls, we're going to call. I. This was calculated by you to, to further defer inflame emotions to further provoke them, I wouldn't say that now was now wait. No, I wouldn't say that I would say it was that stuff for me, too. I was saying was me seeing okay. You got your shots in but I'm still Vernon dosier the head coach of the school, don't you know, don't piss me off. Yeah. Don't piss me off. Now comes the second of phone call stuff. I was kinda surprising. I thought they got the message saying, hey after seeing all this stuff about not doing explosive. He came back with he sided dynamite, dosier, not comes Jeff Neal comes into my office on a board. He says, what are you doing? I said, you gotta understand how the land around here. Nobody tells me what to do, and he said, yeah, but these, these parents were very upset about the you know kidding about explosives. And I said, I wasn't guy, you know, I'm not I don't have any explosives. So they. Overreacted overreacted. He said, would you mind doing another Email? I said, not at all. So I sent out another Email. I said, I'm very sorry, that I you know, use the dynamite dosier last name and I didn't mean to make anybody angry. I certainly know the severity and the seriousness of you know, explosive. So please, forgive me. What did you sign? I signed it Fernan dosier that put aka. Not here we go. And cited Vernon dosier, aka the nitroglycerin kid, and I drew a one of them little emoji explosions, and fire. They're not gonna fire me. Not gonna fire me. So you're another way of phone calls. One was this. It was yesterday. I told you it was right after you did the tweets by entering the tweet. And so here comes another way, with phone calls McNeil's back in my office going, what are you trying to do? I slipping deal you already told me twice get out this guy's only been on the board as a parent. We was a big week with the PTO and got on the board. But he's only been on it for like a year. I've been at that school fill, you know, over twenty years, so every time you're gonna changes, I know sometimes it's thirty sometimes. But today I feel like I've been at that school over twenty years, this guy coming in, and trying to tell me how it is, you know. So he got up in my face. I said, get out, and then I got, you know, Caroline Wadsworth came. And that was really unfair, would you? Please polish is to, to Jeff, I said, okay, and I sent him in Email, and Email, and you signed it, what I said, Vernon dosier aka the mortar shell and this just kept on going just kept on going, but you see it, wouldn't it kept on. Going had. They not been up in my face about it. You can't do that. You can't get up in my face about anything having to do with communication with the students because I'm gonna win every time. I don't you know this you this ongoing thing with parents since you started coaching the football team. That's right. And here's what Vernon does. Your says your kids in private school, Vernon that doesn't work all time, just because the kids in the private school doesn't mean you get to just run roughshod. I'm not running. Roughshod was very, very benign. I football name is m eighty know ski or it's explosion job, whatever it was. And they start to get up in my face about that. And I said, okay. You wanna do that. Guess what? I just turned the heat up to broil. See what it is. When you argue with me, you basically put your head back in the oven and turned it up to broil. Yes. Another words don't do it. I guess you don't do it. And I've got the backing of the majority of the board now. And McNeil comes into my office or some of these other people like you're gonna watch and they're all pissed off. I know that I've got the majority of the other people behind me, so. So just to be clear, you signed the first one Vernon dynamite dosier darn I one is running dynamite. Dosier in the second one was aka the nitroglycerin kid, the third one was Vernon motor shell or the mortar shell. Yeah. It was Vern. It was mortar shell dosier was the third one. And the third one was mortar shell dosier and mortar shell dosier. Yeah. And they got back in your face again. No, that's when everything started to filter out. That's when I'd stay all the all the phone calls, and that's when all the complaints began to kind of taper off. Because what you since fill is out there in parent land of these people who are, wow. You know this guy's not backing off. Maybe I'm not unsafe ground. I might get my kid thrown out of this private school galaxy. So boy, I'll tell you what was you general would you do. I'm not gonna mess around with the I understand the, the power that you have over there. I probably wouldn't have a kid there in the first place. Why not because I don't want some teacher. Strewn with my mind like that. Now. That's how it is at Bill Maher kademi as I said, you filled there's reality, and then there's coach does reality. And if I can't go on Twitter and say a couple of tweets having to do with, you know blow up Wilson or something like that Wilson that was one of the football names in polish. What is Wilson the last name Wilson? I know that. But if I can't go onto it or in say some of these things that my students understand, and I enjoy we all enjoy it talking about explosives and polish last night. Whatever then wise life, even worth living, you know. The whole the whole thing was parents, being told what to do. And by your school Bill Maher kademi is unique among all private schools, over even even even private schools. Don't you know, just kinda steamroll the feelings of parents too bad. I've been at a cheap. They listen to me when they listen to me. They know the land I'm Vernon. Yeah. You're, you're earning doing dynamite. Dosier Dona might diet. He said, I said dynamite. Yeah, that's me. Anyway day in result. I just had some business cards made up in from now on my name is Vernon dynamite, dosier. What, what do you wanna do that? 'cause I can that's why show any parents out there listening. And they wanna come in me. You know the summer's coming up. You still working at subway. You just reminded me. Yeah. So you're going to be at subway in here comes some other saying, hey dynamite. I want extra mayo. I'm gonna tell you right. Yes. I do work. At subway for the extra money you have so much power school. How about getting a raise? That's a great idea. Get a raise that to work at subway. I'm working on it. What do you want from me? That's probably where they let you sign your name, dynamite dosier in lieu of race. Gosh, yeah. It's good. Get ready for it. No. I'll just let the parents know right now. You come into subway. My name is still dynamite dosier, because guess what at the end of the day, folks, you may be a parent of a kid in our school. But I'm the guy making your sandwich. And when I turn my back to you, and I'm adding. Oh, Jesus you wouldn't dare did, I say anything? Are you talking about like that Lougee something? I didn't say anything. Let's just watch it here. I didn't say what I just said, I'm making your sandwich. And when I wonder where the pepperonis, and I'd turn my back on you. Yeah. What are you doing? None of your business. Well, don't you think it's your business? If you're making her a sandwich. Again, don't you think it's her business? If you're making her a sandwich. I think it's our business if I make an sandwich but I'm not making her sandwich as sandwich somebody else. What does it was my sandwich? And I said, what are you doing? I'd say I'm doing something. Well, what would you be doing? Probably just rub it on my stomach or something. What an asshole. Mess with the Brett you best with the best. You've just Mr. the best. Whatever man. Good luck this summer, man. At subway bow make out just fine. Anybody wanna give me crap? I'll turn around and just go, I'm joking around. Yeah. Vernon does your folks from tonight, say, subway or Bill Maher kademi what an app from subway sandwiches, Vernon? Dosier. Don't forget, again on the twenty fifth of may at UC sunset. Phil Hendrie and friends get you tickets. Tickets at the station for the rock island lie. Nice, don't forget, get Zecca. Oh, yeah. That's right. Yeah. This coming Saturday. We're supposed to be doing our St. bozo marathon. I don't know how that's gonna work out because we have a rehearsal for UCB show on Friday. Maybe if we push it back or something, you said, you didn't wanna do it voice described you and you Bill said he didn't want to do it on a Sunday. I don't. That's why I'm thinking about pushing the the marathon to June because we got the show coming up the following week. I, I don't know. Fill Henry, going beckons where it again. Not going back, stuff happens, man. 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The Dangers and Warning Signs of Cults (Part 1)

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The Dangers and Warning Signs of Cults (Part 1)

"This episode is brought to you by. Hp instant inc. No one is reading your mind. But hp instant inc knows when your printer is running low and sends new cartridges before you run out so you never have to think about inc for details visit hp dot com slash instant inc. Spotify conditions apply. Welcome to fill in the blanks. We're getting ready to take a walk on the dark side of human nature. And i'm saying that because we are going to be talking about cults there are thousands and thousands of active cults operating in north america today and it is dark. These cults ruin people's lives. They end some people's lives. Some of these you know about everything from jonestown to nexium which has been in the headlines most recently but we have a very special guest today because there is a world class expert the guy. That is the expert on cults and that is rick allen. Ross he's the founder and ceo of the cult education institute c. e. and their mission is to study destructive cults controversial groups movements and to provide a really broad range of information to the general public. So people know what they're dealing with. They wanna make this accessible to everyone. Has a computer can buy a book and his. Most recent book is called inside out. He discusses all the colts in some organizations that you may not categorize as a cult until you understand how he defines colts and he's been doing this since the early eighties. Nineteen eighty two and he's helped thousands and thousands of families and and so many different interventions in getting people out of the call sees qualified and accepted as an expert witness in state and federal courts around the countries he assists local and national law enforcement groups and agencies. You'd probably say him on today. Show world news on cnn. Dateline nightline forty eight hours oprah extra inside edition. He's lectured at prestigious institutions like university of chicago carnegie mellon baylor university of pennsylvania in philadelphia. And he's even been on donahue that starting you now when you've gone back to donahue the other fill rick thank you for taking the time to sit down with me and talk about this dark side of our society because it is a big deal. Thank you for having me on dr celebrity. And we've done some really good programs together. Some of the most riveting examinations of destructive cults that i've participated in exposing as been with you and with your staff that mean the last one This mother god In an hawaii that ended up coming back with just a really intense experience. And i can't believe you got a cult leader. Come on your show with her mother or sister her victims or followers. Everybody was on in to have that kind of first hand information in the way that you Opened her up and expose some of her dark darkest things that she had done. I think it would just amazing. Well thank you for saying that. And thank you for assisting in that program. Because i thought it was a real teachable moment in america about getting an insight into a cult like that because usually they are so closed off and it's really rare to get a cult leader like that to be willing to come on. I believe that she is exploiting others. And i think. I have a really good example of hell. I believe that's true. My vision was chicken. Parmesan so the turnaround on me and get me meatballs. I say me both. I love me bowls. But i i every moment by my atoms i just needed keila. It takes a five rounds horrors to get me a tequila right now. What you take your half ask god and shoving humility was a bit montego. Shut evolution bitch. That behavior is absolutely exploitive. It's narcissistic it's abusive. Tell me how that is. Not all about you. Catos weren't work for my husband very upset at him out something and we were just sharing an example of how it was wasn't directed towards anybody else but him and adams so i watched some of their social media leading up to that taping and it was real clear that she believes herself to be the smartest person in the world. Well i mean she's god and they were gonna come on there and just put me in my place and set the record straight and just make sure everybody understood that they were right and the rest of the world was wrong. And i think they expected a huge wave of recruits to come after that show. And i don't think it quite worked out that way for them now. It didn't and the way that you exposed through her own words and her own actions and her cruelty to the members of our group and polluting children. I mean i think it really just opened. I think it opened. The is of a lot of people to out at these groups can be and i think that particular group is just really an awful route. I mean on a continuum of one to ten ten being jonestown. I would put amy at somewhere at least an eight. Because of the controlled the jackson sizes over those people. And how much time they spend together and ouchi monopolizes their every waking moment and that kind of social isolation. I mean people don't think clearly at all under the at that kind of influence. Well i agree. It's very very dangerous. And you've done over four hundred colts interventions with five percent success rate and. Let's just call it like it. Is these cult leaders men or women. These are just con-artist right. That's exactly right. I mean there was a a clinical psychologist that i was close to during ladder. Arctic recruiter margaret sanger and g. Once told me the only difference between a man and adult leader the conman runs the khan and then skips town with the money leader. Keep trying the same con. Same people indefinitely. And i think you can see that when you look at east called members and you'd see that they are acting against their own best interest at consistently in the best interests of will leader. Who is benefiting from either their free labor attributions sexual favors or whatever and we can see that over and over again in these. Call since it's very sad because many of the victims are very kind and people Very sensitive idealistic and they're being lied to deceive and prey on these leaders. Well let's break this down for people. Because i said we're gonna kinda take a walk on the dark side and look at the dark side of society here. I think a lot of people might think yeah. Culture isolated thing that a bunch of weirdos. Get into. And i'd like to break this down and talk about it in real terms and i think first off. This is not as isolated as people think it is. I ask you. This question was before in. Contact me if i'm wrong but i think you said it's a conservative estimate that there are five thousand or thereabouts of these cults of one type or another operating at any given time in the country and around the world and certainly on the internet at any given time. Is that a conservative number. That is very conservative. In fact after we get the show. I it's a more -unding around. And i realized that at number of five thousand woods quoted in the late eighties and correctly an organization called the international studies asssociation estimates that in north america alone. There are more and outs groups. That ace specifically have received complaints about that. They'd log as obstacle it's drp or or groups that generated quite a bit of insert ten thousand just in north america dust in north america. And i think it's safe to say that there are millions of people involved in these fringe groups. I it could be a therapy call of political A yoga or meditation go a seminar selling a group like nexium or some of these groups claim to be part of the religion. Eric splinter groups that claim to be christian or jewish or buddhist or do or muslim but in fact they are group's that worship an absolute totalitarian leader is the defining element of driving force the group and they're just thousands of these groups and dr phil is just a money making business and made these groups get act exempt status and are not only attacked example protected by the first amendment so law enforcement is often into go in and check them out right when we talk about ten thousand using just a general term called it can be a religious sect or different things that define their ideology but as you say it's defined by a totalitarian leader and set of beliefs and values and we'll talk more about what defines them specifically but this can be anywhere from what size to what size are we talking anywhere from twenty thirty people to thousands. I think it could just be two people during number of ryan mitchell who abducted melissa smart. He only had one follower until he kidnapped. Elizabeth smart and that was wound up arts and her family said he was appalled. Meter control their mother. Your urge bolt children. And i think we're seeing that very likely in the case of chad day. Bell and laurie valla Who has been called cult. Mom her two children disappeared in idaho and chat day bell is doomsday author. Who has written a number of books about the end of the world and laurie valo followed him without question. Ended up tears at win. Chad day said that her children might be possessed dark spirit that she went along with them disappearing and they found the two children buried on the farm of chad. Dave bell. an idaho to are now in in jail awaiting trial but this would be a cult of to one leader who claims to be a profit and one dollar who believes. I met lori in two thousand two. She had just recently married my brother. We were fast friends. She really felt like a sister and my kids absolutely loved her. She was aunt low low. I never noticed any kind of red flags until our visit in two thousand eighteen. One of the biggest concerns was. She had this fixation on the end times. She went so far as to say that is going to be so scary. Sometimes she thinks it'd be better to just put her kids in the car and go over the side of a cliff. Laurie change significantly. In addition to the end times staff. I saw a lack of empathy when my brother died. She didn't tell me that he had passed. My family didn't find out until five weeks after she couldn't be bothered. He didn't have a funeral. He didn't even have an obituary. It was like he just slipped away without anyone noticing. Laurie seems absolutely infatuated with her. New and fifth husband chad. Deba chad is deep into the teachings of the afterlife. He learning about his teachings gave me context for some of the crazier things she said. You know as interesting because i interviewed family members in that story. And it's interesting. How even though it's just one or two members how toxic it becomes because there are three or four untimely deaths in their family trees where her ex husband was shot by her brother supposedly self defense then her brother was killed shortly thereafter the theory being that he was getting ready to talk about what he had seen and knew chad. Day bell's wife died in her sleep in her forties. So you've got one. Two three deaths that occur in a very short period of time then the two children disappear and are found dead so here you've got five people who lost their lives in the orbit of these people is like death and destruction seems to be following them wherever they go so you wonder just how much it would go had. They not been shut down and arrested. And also what you see in laurie valo. According to many of her family and old friends that she had problems she was married and divorced a few times her. Her personal life was somewhat chaotic and she was considered to be a good mother. She loved her children and it wasn't until she she was under the influence of chat. Dave inch took a dark turn. Jj's grandparents k. And larry woodcock say they were the first to sound the alarm about thailand. Jj being missing about a year ago lori was gone for fifty eight days before she left. She indicated to charles that she did not want jj and she wanted out of the marriage. Charles filed for divorce. The morning charles was murdered arrived at lloyd's house to pick up. Jj take him to school. Charles walks in the house. There's alex laurie's brother of confrontation occurred. Tally came out of a room with a baseball bat. An supposedly charles. It alex with bat. Alex shot him twice with his pistol and charles was murdered. When i saw the bodycam with alex. I didn't believe it for a second. Since charles's death we've only had three facetime. Jj and the last one being augustan off. I heard of chad day bell about a year ago draws told me that lori was videoing herself dancing and said in the videos to chat just when things couldn't get any crazier we found out that chas wife tammy died unexpectedly once having passed away are concerned for. Jj's welfare became heightened. That's when we started calling child protective services. We started panicking. Where's jj where styling and the same thing was wander. Barzi followed brian. Mitchell in utah. Her adult children set. Their mother was good buckner hind birt's and but when she became involved with brian mitchell she became his accomplice in crime when he kidnapped elizabeth smart held her against her will brutally at salted and and and hurt her and and elizabeth smart became very much under the influence of ryan mitchell to the extent even when she could have run away and finally when authorities found her They asked her. Are you elizabeth smart. And she denied being a herself and it wasn't until they brought her will ospital to is reunited with her father that she came out of this kind of fog at ryan. Mitchell had brought her into. And i think what case of Ryan mitchell chose what and elizabeth smart and also chad vowel. Chad david l. Is how people can be manipulated and brought into a state of subservience and control that we would not imagine yeah. I interviewed michelle. She was one of the three girls that were abducted and held for eleven years in cleveland. It's astounding how much mind control and how much fear is put into these people. And she talked about how her abductor. At i had her chained to a pole with a motorcycle helmet on a chain around her neck and she was chained to pole and then after a time began to have all three of them. Have some freedom in this house and then they would be in the kitchen and he would leave and the kitchen door would be left unlocked and cracked and they would think you know wow. He's made a mistake. Finally we can escape and seconds later he would come storming through that back door with a loaded. Gun saying yeah. I was just sitting out in the backyard waiting to see if you we're gonna try to escape and i was prepared to kill all three of you. You know. so it's like people don't understand how powerful this mind control can be when someone is so dominated and controlled and then people put up these middle emotional barriers where they're afraid to escape when it even looks like they could walk away. They don't know they don't believe it's easy to say that when you're on the outside looking in vs on the inside where they've controlled your sleep your food your freedom or whether you live die sit stand when you go the bathroom everything about it. It's such powerful manipulation. So that's what. I want people to understand about this. There was a point that really stuck out to me. When you said you saw yourself in the mirror for the first time what did you see. What was the image. You saw an insane me. You refer to him as the dude because you refused to say his name which i totally get you stink. The dude said to me one morning. No sherlock you'll get to know michelle after almost eight months with no shower was pretty gross. My white skin look browner ahead. Smudges dried blood dirt and pee all over me. My legs were so harry that they look like a man's and i never got used to the way i smelled. It was so bad sometimes that it made me gag. I looked at myself in the mirror above the sink. I looked hideous. I could not believe it was me. My brown hair was now shoulder linked and was standing up in every direction. My eyes were bloodshot from months of constant tears. My face was pale. Because i hardly ever saw sunlight deep purple and yellow bruises on both sides of my face from all the times socked in the head. I started to cry. Is this really happening. I spend the rest of my life here. Even though i had been in the house for about eight months. I still felt like i was trapped in some kind of horror movie but seeing my bruce face told me just how real all of this was. You said that you were covered throughout your body with bites. What was biding There were bugs that eight mice get were just by the need way you write about castro telling you wish he had kidnapped other girls and one of them was a famous little girl. Jon benet ramsey. What you say about that. He said he wished he got to her. I wouldn't you say when he would say things like that to tell him. Think about your own kids and would you want somebody do that to them. He will ask me. Why do i think that and our will like we'll think of it. If you were in their shoes how would you sell. Somebody took your daughter. The design danger joins me. You wouldn't like it and he was just sit there and say stupid and he'll just punch me writing face. 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The psychology of them trying to resolve the conflict in their mind makes it difficult for them to admit the error of their decision. Going in so these aren't weird. People generally speaking. They're people that are looking for a better life and they just get conned has been my experience. What do you think well. Yeah i need out of the hundreds of intervention said i've done five the interventions where we're with medical doctors one was an orthopedic surgeon and other woodson anesthesiologist. I also did an intervention with a young woman who insert a clinical psychologist and they were taken advantage of. They went through a process. I think there's this movie in the room. That is so interesting. It's all about how someone can be manipulated through social isolation and if you watch that movie and you realize that reality for the little boy that has grown up in this room. Isolated from the world with his mother will also has has gone from a teenager. Adult being totally isolated that when you embed people a mill you like that you can control everything. They see everything. They read everything they ear. You are effectively controlling everything that goes into the mind. You can control the mind itself. And i think we all struggle to say well what kind of people joining these groups and i think it can be anyone in my experience. It can be Someone from a rich family core family. Someone who's very educated less educated someone who is happy but usually someone who's going through a rough at in their lives and a long on. Somebody could get coworker friend. A family member romantic interest. And they say hey. You're going through a rough time. How about trying this Meeting this activity ignace group That i'm involved with that. I think is really great. It's really i'll and this person who's who is. Who is laying this out. You is true believer. It really are convinced themselves. And then the usher you into this group and you come in part part because You're hurting and you're looking for some relief and also pitching trust this person. Who is your friend or coworker. Someone that you admire and so you come into the group and the group is deceptive. They're not elling you their true agenda. They're deliberately love bombing. You and making you feel like everything is great and your loved and accepted when in reality. They have a much darker a purpose and agenda which they are concealed. So it's a bait and switch situation. Yeah it's a bait and switch con- you ate a hook with idealistic things berry up. Ailing things were going to be the world at her place. We're gonna save sold. We're gonna do this or do that. And then in reality. It's all about leader. It's all about what the leader wants and subordinating yourself to that leaders wins. And that's eventually what what you end up in and group begins to in bellevue and isolate you. To the extent that you're you're not getting a alternate perspectives. You're not getting accuracy back from anyone and you're in is this this bubble to echo chamber. And you're being bombarded constantly by what the groups of beliefs are what the group says israel. And you have no sense of of reality testing objectively for yourself. And you become increasingly. Reliant on on the group and the group to determine what is right what is wrong in what is real well. Let's talk about how that works. Is i want people to kind of look at the anatomy of this seduction. And i think this is so timely. Because right now in this extended and prolong quarantine with their people are experiencing much more isolation. Dr john chairman from harvard medical school and i conducted a survey recently polling parents about what they were observing in their children in this was fairly early on in the quarantine. And we're saying statistics. Now out of cdc and other government agencies that are polling and tracking this but there's a definitely a spike in depression loneliness agitation anxiety just really emotional disturbance in pain as people who are basically social animals are being more isolated and having the added pressure of financial ruin hanging over their heads. And they're certainly feeling more disenfranchised you add to that all the very understandable demonstrations about the systemic racism that has been brought to the forefront of the narrative in america as well as all with a political upheaval. That we've had. There are a lot of people really feeling disenfranchised right now and they're looking for a better answer and i think because of the depression anxiety this fight or flight response. At a lot of people are experiencing there is an increase vulnerability to a better story. That if somebody comes along and they offer a better alternative. Hey i understand the world's fall apart but over here we love each other. We love you. We've risen above all of this and what you're saying is that's what happens with. We use the term love bombing where you get somebody an and at first year the center of attention all of a sudden. You're not isolated anymore. Everybody loves you. Everybody's complimenting you you are the man or woman of the hour and it's like everybody's there to see you and they're complimenting you on your thinking your dress your personality your being is loving you and making you feel a sense of belonging and i strongly believe the one need in. All people is acceptance and the number. One fear is rejection which are synonyms for failure and success. Of course but the get you in there and make you feel like hey you have found your home. This is somebody you trusted as you say may have told you about and you get there. It's like what a nice bunch of people and they're playing music and they're serving food and is like happy hour and everybody's dancing and having a good time it's great. I just want a member of the tony llama church just one day out of the blue. My sister's taught me up told me about this church. As she was in her life had changed. She wanted me to come down there and visit. This seemed like a normal church. Everybody really happy and friendly. They really can make a person think. Hey this is what i need right. Now tony llama. He's their god. I absolutely adored tony. I love this man. He's so godly. And i just want to be so like him to even meet him or talk to him was like you felt like you're blessed by to just see him because that's how much everyone looks up to him. There were roles. You could not go anywhere by yourself. You had to have permission to go shopping to go services to stay home. You're not allowed to have magazine. You're a radio or dvd player. Any of those things that keep doing went on outside of the church. We couldn't wear shorts t shirts and we couldn't wear nail polish or any makeup or lip gloss no jewelry at all max husband on music a complete change air and he went to the pastor tony and asked for my hand in marriage. And that's how it's done there at the church. I was married to don for ten years. He would get angry and yell at me instead of being punished like grounded. Like a normal kid. You'd get taken off of eating for weeks at a time a lot of the times. I was really weak. And i passed out one time when i was playing with the rest of the kids in the church. Tony about thirteen wives. He picks grows and then come to go swimming big pool. I went to his house for a pool party. He would call us over sometimes and talk to us from my name. He asked me if it would be cool to live with him. And i didn't say nothing to him so he just told me to go back to the pool. Takes beautiful girls the special bros. He likes is in hair. Certain things about him he tells them. I have a big bowl of candy bars beside my bed. All these girls. Just start going up there staying with him. I thought. If it's in god's word i agree with it but i don't feel about taking earle's tokyo lommel had said that i was a threat to his church sort of asked myself twice. He the only one who can have more than why. Why is he so special that we're living in trailers and he's got olympic size pools the more. I questioned my husband about it. My husband was show up with a paddle. The last time. I thought to myself on out of here. The grabbed my children and we'd walked to this woman's house and i asked her to. Please call a taxi with leading this van pulls up with members inside of it and they're yelling at me and trying to grab me pull me away and they're telling me what are you doing. Are you crazy. Your kids are gonna go to hell. You're gonna go to hell and turn around. Look at that sister. And i said you go to hell and i jumped in that taxi. What they don't tell you is what their real purpose is. What a real agenda is. What's behind the goal. And if you wanted to reality tests that situation you would more or less respondent. Say what you know. I think you are great. It's wonderful you're very nice people. But i'm not interested in joining a group. I'm not interested in learning about your training courses or whatever it is you're offering people and then just like a light switch click off. They're no longer a loving you. Seemingly unconditional love and admiration instead. They kinda just go blank because their their their agenda is to recruit you and it's highly conditional as opposed to really unconditional love. And i think the other thing about this whole shut in quarantine we're going through. Is that a lot of mr spending a lot of time online or spending a lot of time on social media on instagram on on twitter on facebook were watching videos on youtube on vim meal and guess what all of these groups that have been all else pretty much understand the power of the online social media. They have indoctrinated videos on youtube. A have a presence on facebook instagram twitter. If you're a parent and you have a kid. Who's staying home with you. You need to know where your child is going online because they may come up against one of these groups. And i have. I have had complaints from families that that say that my family member has been recruited and indoctrinated online. And then the next step is start giving the group money Online and i had one family. Where a young man who had access to a trust gave twenty five thousand dollars in thirty days to a to a cult leader that he met online never met in in person. And who is manipulating him. Through youtube videos guided meditation. Everything online. And i now with the with the and and equal being a Isolated home Mention to this whole issue of alp recruitment and influence and we used to have these commercials. There'd be a little bell ring and say it's ten o'clock. Do you know where your children are. Well it's ten o'clock everywhere now because they can be with anybody anytime anywhere you think. They're back in their room doing their homework. They could be online to one of these. Cult leaders are watching one of these indoctrination videos or live sessions and they're promising the world back there and i've seen it in some of these multi level marketing groups where they get somebody to come in sign up to be a salesman these down lines and they take him to these big conventions and sell them twenty thousand dollars worth of tools to get rich quick. But it's a big party and a you know. have a big stage elephants. Come out and it's like a circus and everybody gets all lathered up and they take these people for their life savings and the only thing they ever sell is to each other but they get them in that short term timeframe that moment that high and flee some for a lot of money than in these cult situations. It doesn't stop. It just keeps going and going and going so what we're talking about is what can start is just like a seeming night out attending an educational group attending a social our somewhere but it has a very dark agenda. And after you bite on the bait and hook set the next thing they do and some of them involve drugs. I've dealt with a couple of these where they clearly were drugged. And the number. One tool of the abuser is isolation. So they start to strip away all the ties to the outside world and get you where. You're only input is from the group. And that's a big tool for them. Acceptable to god and he said depart brought me. I never know how. I became a member of the aggressive christianity missionary training corps when i was twelve years old. My parents were friends with jim endeavor green and they started having bible studies with them. We refer to as god's army at the beginning they would have sermons and they started Casting out of demons there'd be a lot of coughing and gagging speaking in tongues. They appointed themselves to be generals and they assigned ranks basically on how dedicated people were every minute of her license controlled. The grand ordered marriages. When i turned seventeen. They told me to get married. Deborah advised me that the lord wanted me off of birth control. You didn't think for yourself. You were told what to do. We were instructed to cut off or family or friends. Oftentimes we were in the same room and when they would answer the door they would tell the family members that we were not there. Deborah green claimed to hear directly from god. The greens have mentality that children were to be seen and not heard. I was instructed to whip. I six month old son with the belt on his bare bottom because he was being disrupted in a service. I with my son. Because i was instructed to. I was afraid of deborah grain. I did it. Because i was told to him. I knew it wasn't right in. Amy get beat. Jim green announced to all the members that one of us was going to be judged forsaken by god and that person would wish that they were dead. The following morning there was a group meeting and deborah green announced to everybody that god forsaken me. She knew that was a lie. My mother was judged because she committed spiritual adultery. And i didn't know. I didn't know what it meant and it was too afraid to ask ten. I was terrified. I was not allowed to see or my children to six months. There was a shed in the backyard. I was ordered to move into that. There were no windows in the shed as full mildew and he couldn't stand up no bath shower for six months. I have excommunicated. Rebecca was under their mind control for so long. I've been living in drugs. I'd be living in filth. We are not messed greens. I have basically put the colt behind me but unfortunately they're still in my dreams. I don't think it will ever stop. It's really sad well. Yeah and and that's charlie manson He would isolate evil out at spa. Ranch would have been used hallucinogenics. He would claim that he was using the growth with when in fact he wasn't and then he would manipulate them in that altered state of consciousness and he would plans is suggestions about how he should do him how it should do the world and they ended up in weaponized by manson and of course murdering equal and charlie manson would always say. Well you know. I wasn't there. I really murder anybody. Eight and in reality he had weaponized them and use them like ignites kill innocent people and he argued it and has ports. They all went away to prison for the rest of their lives of thirds. They were sentenced to death and then their sentences were commuted. And even though the role or as a approve. Leslie van houten One of charlie manson girls role repeatedly governor of california will not sign off Not a not Because the horrific -ness of those crimes the gore a intensity of it. I don't think anybody will ever sign off on a parole for any of those people and they will die rizza in the same sense keith. Ranieri who were now reading a lot of a who was the head of nexium. He had a group of women that would do anything for him. ultimately it would become the slaves they would-be branded with his initials with a authorizing ir. And the i believe that. He intended to eventually weaponized. And do his bidding and dispatches enemies. Now keith rene area sentenced to a hundred and twenty years in prison one of his followers. A seagram's liquor heiress who inherited. Millions of dollars is as been sentenced to seven years in prison for enabling hats and television. Star allison mack who lives in small became mistress of the slaves on in recruiting women and holding them down literally. Walked me were brand. She is now facing sang along with others. Who applied guilty. That were his followers. As so have you rise up. In the hierarchy of the call you can wind up being liable for their bidding. The things that they do and you know to really become indoctrinated you have to lose a sense of and they have to break down your identity. Talk about how they go about doing that. Well they give you a new name. A new name in the group they tell you to cut your. It's an extreme group. A may have a clothing a wear like for example. Awkward tree rushing each other issues. That you see in In in the documentary. A wild wild west you you see that they all were orange that they all look alike and what he was doing with breaking down there insensitive individual identity express through what a war how how they appear and he was making them all very uniform. We also saw that in marshall. Applewhite's heaven's gate. The group that committed suicide near san diego thirty nine members killed themselves along with their leader. Marshall applewhite. They were all wearing exactly the same clothes. They all have the same unisex haircut he had taken away or individual identity and created this kind of cloning of himself. And i think that's what a lot of both leaders see. They want to clone themselves. Not necessarily the way if follower looks at the way the follower thinks and basi themselves as the prototype on the the the master mold and they want to think like them have the same worldview and mimic them and follow them in every way and to do that. They've gotta take away as you say their old identity so they get rid of their clothes. They put him in new clothes. Give them a new look. Everything is different so they don't have any ties so if somebody from their family saw them on the street they would look very different. Well that is an and this would be more extreme bolts and then of course if you want to isolate the member even more ueberroth into group housing In my experience the more extreme the demands of the group the more extreme measures will be taken by the group it to influencing control though what you also see if you're a family member and someone is involved in occult is the social isolation their communication is becoming less and less especially if you ask critical questions There they may abandon old friends. And what you see. Is this kind of increasing social isolation where they're embedded in the group and their life is dominated the group next week on part two of danger and warning signs of cults. They took four hundred children but they didn't know what to do with them. Because these children have no life outside of the a had no family. No fran their whole world was in mccall and eventually a judge ordered that they would have to be returned to their families. Because no one knew what really.

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Hospital Horse, Treat Unhoused People Like People

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Hospital Horse, Treat Unhoused People Like People

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One ninety five episode three of dailies. I saw a production of iheart radio. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into america's shirt consciousness. It is wednesday. July twenty eighth twenty twenty one names jack. O'brien here comes the sun. Doo-doo-doo here comes the sun and is said kiss. Jack's thighs dum dum. Dum them dum dum them. My son kissed fis. That one is to see christie gucci man. I am thrilled to be joined by. Today's special guest co hosts He is the marv albert of competitive gaming without all the. Ask biting the producer of many podcasts. On this network included fake doctors. Real friends you know him. From his appearance on family feud with that podcast. And as the nicest man podcasting well. He's welcome dj. Dan what's up everybody. Dj aka hideo. No-ho i'm here. I get your check. What an intro god. I'm totally touched by that. Yes i was on all those things you said to take nicest man in podcast from alex schmidt. I feel like it's just unfair. Alex's let the success of Secretly incredibly fascinating. Go to his head fairplay until they go. Hey you know what. You're you're the nicest man behind the mike. And the man on the mic. That's i'll take that for sure. And i'm absolutely thrilled to be here for another spectacular episodes. Sorry guys wow bring taking that marv albert shit raise rates to the people right to the dome well dj. Dan yes sir. You are in luck because we are joined third seat by a talented musician and comedian but not a musical comedian. Not a comedic musician. His album is a serious great work of art It has a seven point. Four pitch for oh my goodness. You're doing all my work. But he's a seven point five in our hearts He's the father of the meme. And the amazing podcast cold brew. Got me like please. Welcome the brilliant. The talented the enigmatic the chaotic chris craft so glad to be here was that what a great interview Introduction i love that i'm any addicts enigmatic really. That's the thing. I've just got a lot of problems. Which mimics enigmatic. I'm not gonna the best part of my day. Today was opening up the dock. Today's show and seeing special guests. Chris crofton i literally went. Yes so nice. Chris thank you so much i love being on the show so much and it's really It's the reason. I'm rich from being on the show. Thank you guys very much. A hot tub with more jets than than the actual jets. The team has yeah. you're hot. i didn't even write that. I didn't know yeah. I'm not really in a hot tub. I'm in my landlord's garage. It's very hot. hell are you. Are you sipping on some cobra. I'm on the old way. Because i'm sipping on some hot drip this hot drip got me la wedding a little bit now. Oh sweating on my upper lip. I drip makes we tense. Yes it's the most caffeinated of Of coffees with possible exceptional cobra. Oh wow sounds like a thrown down the gauntlet here a little bit. I'm i'm hot. I'm hot drip got me like that. I've decided to live inside. Is there a little bit adviser a little bit of that hot trip making you feel back at home. Now that you're in the home base of the office does like she'll right again. Yeah man came in early today. Got the got a big pot of coffee. Bruin in the Office kitchen was nice. Yeah are you the only one in there. There is a writer's room happening directly above me for a welfare or podcast which has been announced but the low easter egg for you to the li-listeners eagle eared listeners. Where's my writer's room. My right magically showed up and had your podcast written for your what i would take it and then you have like an earpiece in like all those actors that can't memorize lines. Which is their only god. Yeah i can just show up and get this over with and then back to Sex crimes yes. There is a tiny little earpiece. Yeah sex crimes andar selling keila and you have no job at all zero jobs. Just repeat perfect and then you get an award like a year and a half later the for a movie. You didn't even remember being yoke. Brando had like the cue cards for all of his lines like taped to his scene partners in the godfather. Like i didn't know that that fucking rule other great actors into billboard charge tape shit to robert divall. I guess you've arrived. There is also like a lot of moaning each other and like exposing each exposing oneself to each other a behind the scenes lagos. Father was dumb place to create. Brilliant work of real mafioso associate. You know mafia shit. The was yeah that makes sense. Yeah like the. It's still a film set. I mean they did a good job with it but offset up just like oh you know it was out moon. Yeah that's one little. I mean that's true back then that was like the whole deal like if you want to get wacky. Yeah the of klay. No god yeah exactly again. Now are in chris. We're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First a couple of things we're talking about we'll check in with Vaccination rates and covert rates in tokyo masks. Having to go back on. We'll talk about la experimenting with this kind of avant garde idea of treating An housed people like people instead of ood the garbage to be removed Turns out it works. We'll talk about a Apparently living in that mercedes benz stadium where he debuted his album. Now her fict- I kinda love that we might even get to that hospital horse. Because i think the says you guys see the picture. The horse visits people in hospital. Oh yes i have seen. That was submitted to me as a culprit comey like it's so interesting like the horse look so menacing and confident and apparently it it who it it chooses who visits based like it'll like stop it's outside of people's room and they'll be like okay. He's he's going to visit this this this patient sort of like an angel of death thing. So i've jesus. I didn't think of that i was thinking about the people felt bad. Like is the horror scorn to come you know. Here's the horse. Like a mean girl who's like no she's out on. My debt had rejected by a whore. Never mind bitch kreis. We'll get dignity. Plenty more i chris. What is something from research history. Well now the anybody's heard me on this show before. I mostly talk about like abandoned mine exploration mudlark ding favor any any kind of like amateur. Archaeology type stuff is what i like and i use the term archaeology extremely loose red finding shit. Yeah you better amateur. Metal detector enthusiasts. Yeah i was just thinking about like me. So i guess i should just talk about abandoned. Mines started following this bottle guy. That's i mean not following him. I don't follow anybody. I his go look at but look at them. I'm not trying to sound not old today. Look yeah. I'm not a little bit so far shows how to. That's like my grandfather used to say that you know like. Are you going to like. He wants to look at television. Unlike the literal. Yes kinda reminds. You are actually looking at a fucking box but wrecked plus all the rich people in my neighborhood like i go hiking and they all watch tv and these huge mansions. They just sit and watch television. Unbelievable they need four square feet. They have like eight billion square feet. They need for it a flat screen. Tv the blue light flickering. Oh my god you can see right in their houses because they're in fucking rich people world's no one ever does anything so they leave all their curtains open and everything unlikely shit online. Lock their keys in their porsche. Cayenne and A fucking sit in their goddamn gigantic air conditioned fucking mausoleum and watched fox news on a fucking. Anyway it's just kind of amazing to me just how much room they need to watch. Tv aspirational you know. How much room do you need to watch. Tv how much fucking room. yeah allocate. So yeah so. I was anita berber. I got real into anita berber k. Anita burgers this flapper china lady from weimar germany. Who was like a drug addicts. She's like sort of jim. Morrison of like nineteen eighteen. Or something only something. Her name's anita. Berber and otto dix did a portrait of her where she's like got kinda looks like Jesse jessica rabbit. I don't even know. Just grab it is Sort of like a. She just looks. Like oh i knew. She looks like she looks like she's got those painted on lips to make her look like she's like a. There's a looney tune of the rolling stones cover no looney tunes tunes lady. Based on her yes she bet. Betty boop is based on new berber but anyway anita berber. I just think it's interesting because the boomers will not be quiet about how they like. You know got rid of the nineteen fifty s to get rid of the nineteen fifties like. Oh nineteen fifties. We were uptight and then we blew it all up. David crosby is like the world's greatest person or something and and and you know all bunch of horse shit you know because anita berber died. Today's twenty nine of like fucking shit. There was so much cooler than jim. Morrison she fucking snorted chloroform out of bulls with like white rose petals in it. Like she fucking phil goldfish bowls fucking chloroform and just put her head. In it wedge. She's did cocaine and she ran around nude and weimar. Germany was like right before. Yeah nazi germany. And it's like nazis used the. It's kinda like you know The sort of insurrectionists or you know the republicans being like you know. America's going down the tubes and that we need to like basically be authoritarians to get back in shape It's like the old trick you know so so yeah like things. Were getting too cool. Yeah weimar germany and sick. So anita berber yes. She's like fucking cool as hell and she's her pictures of her amazing. I went online to see if i could. Then i started looking for artifacts. I'm like go on ebay and i'm like actual anita berber photograph like everybody get one of those and then Then i next search history. Is leslie van houten. So i like a feminist icons that are not really good role models anita anita berber leslie. Manhattan was one of the fucking manson murderers housing. Smu seriously out and it just as leslie. Dan how he convicted criminal. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. Yeah so you're doing a little bit of like a google excavation. Anita berber man. Check her out. She is like seriously this idea that the the the one thousand nine hundred sixties was the time people want ape shit is such a bunch of shit right so sick boomers talking about the shackles of the fifties and the fucking throwing off the shackles. With any gigs. Yeah and it gives going up shit a bad name because look what they became. You know the boomers. It's bad never stopped talking about their childhood more than any other generation. I think that's their main claimed claim to fame. Yeah people who've never talked. No one is ever talked as much about their twenties at least the twentieth just like fuck and drove it into the ground and then you know great depression and then world war two and just really you know went out. Went out big. Yeah they They Well you know. I think i just think there was always a time. You know there's always like there's probably kate you know there was a cave cave woman that was like snorting river dirt or whatever. Yeah she high back. Then you know uh Was something you think is over it billionaires. Come on sorry about that i had. I won't talk about it. Talk about billionaires. Just wanted to say one thing one thing about him. Yes i know you guys. I'm sure on this podcast. You guys have just been fucking talking about. Billy nursery wanna fucking bar. Never never never have heard about this. We wish them the best kind of like the washington post here and that we think what. Jeff bezos is doing is really cool actually for super fucking tight coolness coolness research yes exactly see how cool it is and he said it was cool can a fifty five year old man. Pull off a cowboy hat is is one of the things that he was researching. any cooler zony allows just. I just have been talking a lot about that on We've been talking a lot about that on on cobra. Got me like my pant podcast just because see what. I did there While the because because like. I just think that the most outrageous thing is that they keep trying to throw in this like that they are doing research of some sort but they didn't bring any stuff you can see right in the space capsule. It's like nothing in there at all. Then bring nothing to to quote myself. They've just made space the vip room club. Yeah yeah that's all it is. It's like i guess we're dancing asshole guessing. Have i bet you're not dancing. Weightless one ochre. Whatever they focusing party at now the luxor. I liked using antique bet. You're not. I bet you're not weightless at the hottest nightclub in the world that the luxor nailed it the top of the luxor pyramid. Wow anyway so yeah. I just think that the the fact that the most outrageous thing to be even more outrageous than the cowboy hat even more outrageous than those fucking five dollars space suits that they were wearing and you know that appear theater. There's no reason they're just going into high plain. They're even going to real space. They don't need airspace suit. That can wear street clothes. They might as well just be saying we. Yes time someone pointed out that you know the jeff bezos saying. We're excited to see what we find out like. That's point never. We've have a space shuttle before we've had a space shuttle that took equipment and stuff. You didn't have any equipment. Nothing the pro ball. They could throw around saying yes. Confers no graduate high just highlight the fact that their spaceships are empty. You can see them. We ought to find out and people pointed out are also that high balloons of gone to that part of the atmosphere. There's nothing what we're gonna find out. We're gonna find out your addict. Yeah that's all you and your friends are a bunch of dick's. Richard branson uses shell companies to avoid fucking taxes. That's what we're going to find out. Yeah drew truth bomb yes No yes yes so yes straight from concentrates boring. I know billionaires is boring but it worked in a in a certain respect because like when you look at. I think there is a statistic that one morning of jeff bezos going into space got as much coverage as climate. Change got for the entire year. Twenty twenty like one more. Elliot's as travelling out. So i mean it's just like the mainstream media but but it hook line and sinker. Will they need something. They need something. Every two minutes to model this model of getting people to click on stuff is no way to go. Twenty four hours of needing new clicks. Please yes stories about what's coming up on the show like a horse visiting people in the hospital and also it's like they need that stuff. That's not even a horse. It's probably like news producers. Goddamn damn soon horse suit just like we need a story through five minutes since something horrible happened. Are you sure sure. No one's electrocuted themselves in bulgaria because people don't care but then just say people in bulgaria are getting electrocuted. Make it bigger thing. What is a what something you think is. Underrated my podcast. My code brugare was i. It's just me and my brother. Greg and much like my other podcasts. With my brother. Greg which was one called the chris craft show and the other one is called was called best bread which was best of breed was national radio show. We had a we had on the radio station in nashville vanderbilt vanderbilt college radio station before they sold its npr. But you know we just end up talking a lot about stuff then we then we watch videos like this week we watch. I was hoping jimmy loftus a beyond. Just not danny danny. I think dan i'm. I'm calling my dad. it's a teacher. i love it. No it's awful. It's awful and i'll tell you why because i misread danell one time. I thought it said dan. And then i called you. Danny anyways absurd your real name million times. Dj is your name is daniel. Yes yes yeah and but you prefer to be called. Dan dan dan yes yes yes yes handles like the brand. Yeah okay. yeah. Dan i know you. Yes i know you and i your proper name. Yeah i don't want you to call me like k dog or something so crossing. Netto jackson watt so muslims. Say dan you're talking about what cobra got me like got you. We'll get listeners. Like oh is that what. I was what i was talking about being greg. Talking about best. Brad dea college radio show. Let's brad. what would you say talk. I forget what i was saying. The fred Hope it's not a brain wipe because of listened to the show actually. I don't think. I think we cut the brain wipe off. I'd have kept. Did we leave it. Like not brain went completely blank What do you need to grab egged. We needed to grab an egg. We could reset. I on this show and then i don't eat that's the problem so anyway cobra got me like is Underrated because because rules and because we talked about videos we shall yanni videos and then Oh that's what i saying. Oh i was hoping jamie often beyond. Maybe because i know she hosted last week and i just was wondering because i made fun of -chusetts And i wanted to get into a like you know you guys have any position on massachusetts Are you like a little bit for the right. That's good you think it's wicked awesome and stuff you know uses cool. There's a reason why wicked never made it out of massachusetts as far as slang you know almost always lying takes off now. It will get taken off. That sucks. Wicked still didn't take because it sucks. Yeah chew takes legged doesn't take off. You know you got something wrong with your culture so chew as a piece of shit yet. I mean that's insane. Oh invented that. I think i think it's intentionally dumb little marketed. It yeah it from bustle media group of bustle media group move. Someone just developed that on like a whiteboard on a day the same day. They were trying to figure out whether they should put on a horse costume and knock on dying people's doors so this just one way forward. We'll horse those ideas on a horse hospital room all your diets as your shugi. Greatest honor. yeah and they're like who was that the don't worry about it. It's for the news. So i we had this flute guy like i i just go around. I go around the internet. I'm fucking. I'm not talking crazy. Yeah making no sense this food guy. Is this related to massachusetts or were yes okay. What was like this guy and a vest nineties. That was tough. He was playing the flute and he likes was wearing a vest and it was like nine ninety s video this woman interviewing a flute maker the guy who sells flutes and booths at craft fairs in massachusetts and he was wearing vast and he looked really tired of massachusetts guy. Tired anyway doesn't matter. There's plenty people in massachusetts who are gonna kick my ass so now that anyway. It's gonna kill me. Very peaceful and conflict avoidance nile pixel. That's not what they say. What could a bunch. And then they kick your ass old lived there. I was going like watching a sporting event on a tv at a bar and like somebody was standing over by the bar and like he just like walked over unlike offered to fight me. He was like yeah. I notice you were looking at me bro. Like do you want to go outside and fight. I was like i wasn't i was watching the game. He was like kind of confused but also like me just took my refusal like he was like okay. All right always did yeah. Yeah yeah that's the kind of it's kind of seen where it's like. Yeah we're not gonna get lay. Listen the bars closing five minutes. Let's just fight everybody so so energy somehow documentary goodwill hunting that's right director werner herzog. How about them apples a whole career out of that chris. It's not your fault. I so so anyway. I'm from connecticut. So i have some idea of what i'm talking about but anyway the thing about massachusetts was. I realized that in the south. Where i moved nashville. I lived in nashville for thirteen years. There is a rockabilly problem. There you know like people who live in the fifties you know in in quotes you know. But they don't really they kind of half live in the fifties almost fifty stuff but then they drive like a regular car like infestation of well. Yeah a bit of a just a. I mean there's just a lot of broccoli people down at it and i'm just i used to do Stand up about rockabilly. People wasn't very nice. And i always make rockabilly people and people used to like it. Then i said you know what you gotta leave these people alone. He's gotta deal with their problems. Dif- different ways. Some people dress up like they're from the nineteen fifties lives. It's not my business. But i do like the idea of like. Did they think they've time travel the drive no street but you know i. I'm not gonna get into that this guy. I realized that where the south people think they're like in like elvis's band or something rent from like the early band not the late band but like the band and the beginning like they're like ours. Novices you know the band where they had the doors and went into whatever. And then and then i realized that the entire region around massachusetts is doing like they think that's like revolutionary war rockabilly like they think they they think he was. I realized that that hole wooden thing you know they're obsessed with would up. There like would look. His house is beautiful. It's made would and like big wooden flute. They're obsessing award in the northeast and it's really is revolutionary will rockabilly As what it is. It's like i am paul revere. Yeah except you're not. I mean i i disagree with you. I lived in lexington massachusetts and they literally have a holiday where everybody dresses up like. They're in the revolutionary warm reenacts the first shot and like the guy getting killed by the british soldiers. And all that shit. Yeah this guy. This guy was like he. He basically carved native american flute and put on vast didn't even know what he was doing. He was like. Paul revere. Half sack Like he thinks he's a fucking hybrid of all early america just because he lives in fucking boston anyway. That's so anyway. Direct all hate mail the best of breaded. gm l. dot com. I will not see you anymore. You guys bradley. Scenario war rockabilly duke respect that. But that's what we watch. We watch the last last episode cobra. Got me like we watched. We watched this flute guy. Is the hockey hair that they wear in massachusetts is that just like the revolutionary like ponytail. But they let it down is is that i think so. Yes i think that that yes. I'm getting on board with this theory. I definitely think they like talking about the love talking about the lexington bridge. Or that's nice thing but you know they wouldn't bridge or they don't even know what it is you know. That's where paul revere told. But i go to hell. Paul revere said give me liberty or give me death and my grandfather was blah blah blah. Yeah so anyway cobra. Got me like on today. That's why i came on the right day to day so it's tonight on twitch at six thirty pacific so that seven thirty mountain eight thirty central and nine thirty eastern night which all it's wednesday night on the right way remember. I appeared on the long day. All right tonight you guys listening to you can go on twitch tonight at six thirty pacific and watch this great show i was just talking about. It's all about a mess. Revolutionary war rocking billion blue flute guys. Who sit and booths and the woman who was interviewing him said. What's it like. He said. I just sit in my boots. Sometimes people come by and just say that sounds very good honest. Answer to hell with so sad. That was his description of that. Was this bad ass store. Sometimes people come over and tell me it. Sounds nice okay psycho. We'll be fans. It's a great little video and it's got like ninety spots on it and it's just making it sound better. I don't wanna blow your minds on the podcast. Obviously but there are tune it just tune in a go. See see for yourselves all right. Let's take a quick break. We'll be right back. Miles jack you know you know who it is jammed from. Work cast shoulders looking loose. You got some pepper. You're saying am tell you why. 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Avoid all non-essential outings. But he also in the same breath said no need to consider a suspension of the games. So and been in a related. Story the cdc is reversing earlier advice. That we don't need to wear masks indoors if we'd been committed and basically tone people you have to if especially if you're in a hot spot like la saint louis etc. I'm all for anything that like makes everyone more annoyed at the people who aren't getting vaccinated and i feel like this will do that. Like just almost certainly fucking fed up. Yes yeah i mean that has to be the message throughout this whole thing. Is that like the only reason that's still disband is because people have decided to not get the vaccine and before when it was easier to like it was harder to blame those people because there wasn't the vaccine at this point this so the it's very clear clear. We we have it along. We have it other people in the world. Want it and we have it and rejected. What a fucking supremely american move. Yes absolutely so gross. The morale aircon exceptionalism exactly. It really is. It's like i was raised in it. I was raised in. I'm fifty two. I grew up this whole narrative that basically all you have to do strut around. That's the american you know. You don't have to nothing will touch you. You're an american nothing happens you read about bad news just somewhere. Far away yeah. Yeah totally but california's making government workers either get the vaccine or provide weekly like clean tests. I guess So it's like the option between one trip to the doctor or like weekly trips to the doctor. So i feel like this is what we need to do. I i've been kind of harping on this. But the idea of like making it making getting the vaccine to easy choice like needs to be more and more the answer the people go with. I mean we were giving people money. Not long ago there was like lotteries. Literal lowery's saying they get vaccine. You might get fifty. Greyhound get as crazy. That wasn't enough. Got in my car. The day i was allowed to go get a vaccine. Got my arm. Shot fifty thousand dollars. Gosh darn it yes catchphrase whereas my my fifty fifty thousand dollars you'd be rich. Chestnut twitched at tb slash. Where's my fifty thousand dollars. I got fifty thousand dollars. I'd be i'd open. That vape shop have always wanted the in there. We are making the world a better place while also getting vaccinated. You all know what. It's called canaveral l. Yeah yeah yeah. I might have to revise it because the whole basotho thing right because cape canaveral. You also like are picturing like the the trail of smoke leaving as the rocket leaves. And then you so you can do things with that from a design. Respect vape crusaders pretty good. That's pretty good. that's pretty. I'm not as them. Both the congress comic books to you but you can also get like the right wing people who really want to bring back the crusade. Yes they can you imagine opening up a store not knowing anything about comics so fast like if i just casually through a bunch of x. Men comics been like next to the cash register and also was a vape store. The kind of arguments you get in. I'd be like oh. Yeah that's the yeah. I think that's the issue of the avengers like show up in the x. Men or something. It'd be like watch the fucker you talking about an episode of lake the apprentice or something like that where the task was like go run a comic bookstore per day. Oh my god some rain so slow fan needs to near. Let us know. 'cause that's that's the x. Archie shows up meatloaf drank run violence. They would encounter of trying to fake comic book. People you can fake it with indie rock people right. You can get away with it but comic book people. They'll do an investigation out goes like questioning. Oh i can't. I can't even pick which gang of four record i liked the best. You know what i mean. And then the indy personally like fine. But then the the congo people be like what do you mean. You can't pick one pick one now. The choice is clear. Pick one now so we wanted to do an update on nitya rahman Guests on daily zeitgeist as got elected to be a part of the city council seat before beat for and you know one of the main thing she ran was addressing the un housed situation in los angeles and we are Seeing some results she just kind of reported on an approach they took where they and this is gonna sound weird they treated on housed people like people so that the solution prior to this had literally been to make people leave the given area where they were so against there is an encampment they would like raid the encampment and just like force them to go somewhere else and then you know a month later when people who were there complained enough they would just go and make them for some to move somewhere else and so the strategy here was just like patients and treating people like people and yeah so they would they went. They made contact with them. They like talked to them. Found out like what it would take to get them into shelters. A lot of the people had accumulated a lot of things that was actually an interesting finding that she also talked about was people in la. Were talking about how lake during the pandemic the homelessness seemed like explode and she was saying we like when you actually did the research. The numbers went down the numbers of people but like it seemed like there were more people because people were able to like basically camping place build out larger in campus suffering. Anyways they like to help. These people get their stuff into storage. You know asked what they were interested in and then worked with them to pursue that rather than just being like going and being like. Get out of here where you know. You can't be here y- you don't have to go home but you can't stay here type shit like they were. They work basically chase him around. Yeah yeah exactly as all this keep them on the run everywhere like the one neighborhood goes crazy and then and says get them out of here and then they get him out of there and go another day. It's terrible yeah man think this is the this is the first step in showing that the solutions are very clearly out there. It takes a little bit of extra work but it is a solution that we you know need to pursue more ferociously and nydia very clearly points out that like this is one encampment. This is just my district. This is you know this is a big effort that will need to be taken by the city and by you know a volunteers people of the city and everybody to help out but it is for the betterment of everyone and it just takes a little bit more effort than what we're doing right now which is basically just like you said shoeing people from one place to another which is terrible. Yeah i mean it's it reminds me of when we talked about When we're talking about policing and like alternate solutions to policing as as as currently constituted where the police are like a military force that invades like neighborhoods and treats the citizens of their own town like enemy combatants. Were talking about communities that had created this layer of humanity between like so when you called nine one one they would dispatch people like actual people not not armed police officers but like a community member or a train. Social worker a healthcare expert. Somebody who was going to be patient and like listen to you You know this was in the cases where it wasn't a imminent threat to somebody and it was hugely successful. They've been doing it in eugene oregon for decades now and people are starting to pursue that elsewhere and this just seems again like you're adding a layer of empathy and thinking of the person as a human being like rather than an obstacle to be removed. So yeah it's it's pretty cool. And i think a good direction to be moving nicosia in in her twitter thread. Put an email out there that you can hit up if you want to get involved in l. area and we'll put that in the footnote. I was when i hike. I watched those people with big big houses watching tv in like a little corner of it And you know the air conditioning. Going every part of that motherfucker fuckin- rich people don't wanna leave anywhere that they might go in anytime in the next six months not air conditioned out but just notice all the wasted fuck. There's a house up there that there's a house up there right near the trail head. That's just like colleague mercedes in the driveway with like a cover on it as just vacant. It's i mean it's they have the gardeners come and take care of it but no one's ever there. It's just a house. Just sitting there you know and i bet it's air conditioned to inside yeah Anyway those houses you know there's places to it's just i you know the idea of just being in a like a really nice neighborhood and just being mad at people for i mean the idea that homelessness is is something you just. It's definitely treated by even like smart people. Get very crazy of around that subject and are just like i want them gone. You know what i mean. I don't care where they go. You don't like and it's like. I don't know it's it's it's a it's a major people get like. Yeah this is my home. I pay for this. So i don't want this here. You know what i mean. It's like but you also are ho ho resources you've got like absolutely you've got. You took too much space. You got fourteen outbuildings that are got one outbuilding or the with a fucking foosball table. Frigerator down to forty degrees as you're stupid nephew goes in there. you know. Less nephew is more fucking humanity and it's less nephews more humanity. I think that's exactly right. Twenty twenty four. A congratulations to. I don't know who want she won a seat on something. Yeah yeah she's awesome rate. Which is the council person for council district for here in los angeles. That just happened happened bowing. Also she's been on the show. What as a council person she came on when she was running running yeah cool. She got the tdc bump. That's why i'm not saying we're totally responsible for saving the world. But you know we certainly hope. Most people i talked to you say you are. I don't really talk to anybody. I think there's a lot on here about like sort of the psychology of you know the cognitive dissonance involved in being a white person in america and like just the things that stress white people out of like the white supremacy. I'm like knowing that there's a lie there and like that that being part of the reason that there's so much anger around it and so much just like rage that you see coming out of white people is like there's the knowledge that there's a lie there that you're having to protect and like distance yourself from unlike you don't want to admit that so there's like extra extra fear there. I think the same thing is true with the homelessness thing we look at. I think you're right the responses so it logical and just so move thing from out of my face yes from other sometimes other was otherwise reasonable. People yeah yeah because it is the consequence of their resources and it's like the one like unavoidable consequence and like everything else. They feel like they buy their way out of and so they're just like there's like a desperation there and yet we could buy our way out of this as well but it would just mean putting your resources towards something. That isn't a bigger tv in your place. Yeah yeah or conditioning. I mean i can't help. But i hate to be like this person is just hates everybody who has staff or something you know because that's the way it's characterize. Oh you're just a hater. Oh hates people have porsches or whatever but it's like i can't help but look at a porsche cayenne and think you could get a decent car that and take that extra money in and give it to a homeless shelter. I mean i just can't help. But think that i mean. I understand that people need cars. You know especially in los angeles you know but you know or you know. They need cars for now. Hopefully big picture will get rid of cars. But you know that's anyway while we while we have to have cars. I have a car. let's put it that way. I have car. It's a honda fit. And i paid it off for six years and it's been awesome to have a new car and i love it and But you know. I think if you buy a car that costs seven times as much as that my car like. I think you should take those extra six times as much and give it away. And that's why. When i see a personal the scion i think badly of them. I mean to say that. But i honestly think it's a logical position to take. I think it's because i think you can look at the world and see you know you don't need a porsche cayenne and you know whatever i want so mad at porsche cayennes but i stand there everywhere. They're fucking everywhere fucking things which are they and they're just basically like. Suv's they've been. Evan suv right. That says porsche on it. I mean it doesn't make any sense. I feel like the porsche cayenne more than i have. No knowledge of like what. It's like to driver like what but that one really seems to me like you're paying for the fact that there's a porsche thing sticker like taking a raft for the peeling off. The toyota and putting a fucking poor sticker can not get laughed at the country club. Or whatever you're paying forty thousand dollars for the logo on the fucking hood. I would not be as bad as it was called porsche paprika. I really wouldn't. I don't know why that was your because that's cute. Those your hand. I bullshit man. What's cayenne about it. Yeah all right. Let's take another quick break. We'll be right back. I'm one of thousands of women with metastatic breast cancer or nbc which is breast cancer that has spread to other parts of the body and living in the moment and taking i- brands pablo cyclists. I brand one hundred twenty five milligram. Tablets within a rotates. Inhibitor is for postmenopausal women offerman with hiv positive her two negative nbc as the first hormonal therapy. Being your moment. ask your doctor about i- and visit i. Branch dotcom brands may cause low white. Blood cell counts. That may lead to serious infections. Iran's may cause of your inflammation of the lungs both of these can lead to death. Tell your doctor right away. 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Dan has exactly what old people say by the dan. Good one From when he was a kid. How much does a golf course way. Wow as a fresh question to my father. When i was a wee lad were driving school in said dad. How much a golf course way dan. I'm not a scientist scientists. Because i didn't grow way golf course. Who knows the social weight of golf courses is too much more than we can bear. I'll tell you another cold brew truth off there you go i yeah i think talk about stoned that needs to be like a project in la and for the next forty years is get rid of these fucking private golf courses. That are taking a like. What is the best park land in visa. I didn't even think about that. Yeah and the hell and we pay with fucking taxes. Talk about like. I pay my taxes. So that i don't have to. I pay my taxes. So that fucking rich guys can go to a little club. That i'm not allowed into an and yeah on got a smaller sport. Rich person five thousand pass whole make smaller sport. We need five square mile. Oh then you can't do it anymore. Yeah how about that and you have to live with it. Then you'll have to live with it at least like hunters go out to a place that nobody's like trying to like what if they had a hunting preserve in the middle of fucking city where. There's still assholes though. Because i like i watch these metal detector guys go out in the woods and they have to wear a ton of orange ships and they don't get blown away from dick. I don't shoot me. i'm not a dear. I'll shoot wherever. I want to ask all but this is like i'm reading whenever i'm reading a book after mention at least ten times on daily reading powerbroker which is about robert moses. Some like i'm at the part where he's still pretty cool and Forty yeah yeah. It's like in the two hundred zero far. You really are in there. Yeah but it was a thousand page books. I'm never gonna make it all the way through. But he is currently like kicking the vanderbilts off of like a bunch of land that. They've been hoarding on long island to to build public parks. There like it's why we have like fire. Island is because somebody like fought that fight at a certain point and kicked the extremely wealthy off the so right and now someone tried to do that. They'd be like this is unprecedented. Yeah yeah nobody's ever been mean to a rich person before you all right well. Let's talk about kanye west real quick please. This is just like my favorite story. That i've heard in probably six years. It's so he he had that thing. Where debuted like his rough draft of his album. They've been working on donda To a sold out crowd at the mercedes benz stadium just walked around on a giant white lake thing that apparently cost five hundred thousand dollars so like just strange bull in a way that i i like when he strange in that way Where it seems like he you know is in control. That is fun with it. Yeah the confidence but so going off of that he. He apparently like really liked the vibe of that whole event with just a sold out crowd watching. Walk yours like okay. This is kind of cool so he liked the vibe enough that he hasn't left since then is living there now all right. I saw a picture that is that really true. Yes apparently he's living there. You can't live in a stadium. Where's he living like behind the snack bar. I think lake. So i've i've heard of other people like having like offices at staples center. I think there's like parts of these giant buildings that we don't know about that we go into i forgot it wasn't the nineteen seventies seventies arena. Where he's sleeping but like he just like randomly like showed up at a mls soccer game like the phantom of the opera was just like hanging out because they're having a soccer game is in his house. I saw that picture. So does he wear that thing on his face all the time now does he wear that when he sleeps. I wonder i mean. Take it off the period. He's gone on for answers. The door probably say. Hold on a second here. He's like the mass mandate all bomb bone stop. Doing that aren't are now. Why do some of the mask on nights. Now that i'm totally into it. Do but i think that i just i mean i think he should drop the listening party and just yeah next time. Just do it with no noise out just to just walk around on a sheet doesn't advertising keep trying like that That work of art. The artist is where she like sits down across from one person. Except it's a sitting across marina thousand people. Yeah i mean. That's he with his sheer confidence. I've always defending because there. I think there's something that makes people irrationally mad about him. You just said like oh he might make people that he already makes people so mad like from the start people just like he really drives people crazy while a long time again. I mean. I think a lot of it is that i mean there's that he's black. I mean like white people get so mad about yay for shit that he does that is like they celebrate bad behavior and rockstars constantly. Condie does something like like fuck. I mean like when kanye interrupted taylor swift speech but years ago. I just remember why people are so. He's really gone too far. You know it's fucking talking about brent. Yeah fucking joe. Waste has done you complete. It's a really good example of of racism. I mean it's like because i kanye is can be a dick but i'm part of the part of usually that's part of what people like about rockstars. Yeah if they're white. They're like joe foggy moors and didn't give a fuck brain candy as like come on. You thinks it's okay to uses fucking salad fork for the entree right damn well. What are your thoughts on. The fork thing is a bridge. You be personally. Is that emily post exactly. I mean you know. I personally with connie. I think it's a situation where you know. I would love for Him to be open to getting help of some kind where it just feels like. It's just constantly surrounding himself with yes people at every possible moment and it just kind of allowing them to do whatever he wants every opportunity whether it's healthy for him or not s- The the the stadium thing. I mean you know it started with it started with msg. It started with madison square garden. And doing it there. And i think he's just like bigger more people more stadium more snow more more this more everything and it's just it's just kind of like it's a display of grandiose ego and and like bravado and stuff like that yeah i don't know i mean like i just described things rather than having a take on it but like i guess now i think in konya until upset and i'm going to help this human being like i think a lot of people's like take on it is to be worried and that worried for him and i think that's totally fair. Also i just think in this particular case like it's it's kind of awesome. I also don't know if he's if he's not getting help like i just don't know like what his little cooler than like. You know like richard branson going to space. Yes stupid france for. He doesn't have to waste any resources to stand around like the family phantom of the opera. There's lots of fun week here on earth. Yeah i'm gonna write him a letter they go okay here. Konya and and the address is what is it bmw center. I think mercedes-benz whatever one of those. I'm going to send him a christmas list. That sounds awfully but that is incredible. I think it's neat. And i think that Neat i his needs word for it. i think. I think. I just wanna to know what you do when you got that mask on because like if if some of this game talks to them is he allowed to talk doors. He just like moran. I mean he didn't even corral wonder if he's allowed to talk to that thing. I don't think he is like w like gonyea joined the game and he's like you know it's post on blah auditions thinking balls. I want him to do a listening party where he doesn't do any listing. There's nothing there's nothing duck. Noisy utah next impersonates chicken for like two hours and finally the main event. We want to talk about this hospital horse while i feel like this is so when i first saw this. I thought okay. We're definitely living in the simulation. 'cause this it's a it's it just feels like it's coming from another dimension. The horse like appears so confident as it like hovers that. There's a picture if you haven't seen it of the horse. Visiting a woman who either appears to be like dissolving deteriorate. The majesty of the horse or like having a terror bowel movement like. It's not. I think you're i think you're right on the rebel movement. Lord ah the horses delivering last rites right there. That's the horse saying the final words. This person is going to hear your. The person thinks that. What does the person who's near near death delirium think when a horses in their room right and also i mean. I'm sure i'm sure if the scale thing because it's a picture but this horse is enormous. Yeah and you see the it's it's it's bulging. It has useful braid but then like how does that fit through. That door is a miracle that this doors sauntering through a hospital and then you know teleport's from outside into this room bright after using after using like the the degree to which they have given this horse. The run of the hospital is truly like next level. So the the tweet says in france a beautiful fifteen year. Old stallion named peyot often comes to comfort and soothe terminal patients at the tekere hospital in collide mispronounced. On all of those french word. Nice the horse. Chooses which patient he wants to see kicking his outside the door so like the horses just justice like magisterial presence that just kind of like wanders through the hospital and decides to like go in and see dying human and like the amount of confidence and i contact that is going on in this in this Photograph pretty awesome is pretty cool but so my theory that this is proof. There were living in. The simulation is just that like the idea of putting a horse and a hospital lake happened. A few years ago in john mullany was saying that like the trump presidency is like having a horse in a hospital and you have to just like sort of Like there's hospital but then you're like wait what's it gonna do. I think that that joke just like spawned this in our collective unconsciousness and whatever however the simulation works. it's now like poor poor told over into reality. I think that's what's going on. I think the real question here is what kind of hospital is this. A horse in it let it in who led in regardless of what does after that guy. I'll get great that it's doing all this stuff once it's in there but what the fuck is doing in there and who brought it. Yeah who has their idea. The first time is there another this is. This is the part. I was thinking of while i was listening to you guys. I was just thinking wha- what other animals are wandering around in there is there a squid that slaps the patient but how many others are rhinoceros. That disrespects the dead. Yeah i mean. Who's to say if this horse is just doing a power move like look. I'm alive and beautiful. Bright you yeah. There's a lot of like projection on this horse over one hundred percent. I was going to sing in your face. Granting was just looking for salt on people's arms and is this oats. I found this guardian article about about this horse. So there's a couple couple of very interesting line here. One is the picture that i just posted in the chat. That is horrifying a looming horse in the background. Just just just out of focus looking on these doctors like are you providing medical care and then also this line with peyot. This is from the horse's owner with peyot. We try to recreate life at the end of life. In order to fight and create an energy to accompany families and caregivers says his trainer hassan bouche core. So what is it. What does this image trying to craft here with this horse. His horse has no idea about at all brett. We try to create life at the end of life. I mean there's definitely like an artistic thing that they're trying to do here. And i'm sure it like i'm sure in person. This is quite a thing to see like wandering the halls the hospital. All the pictures in this article are stunning. Just give us so much stuff right now. League imagine being dying. Then there's horse shit in your room. Yeah i was just thinking of the worst. It also has to happen. Like do not have this chorus housebroken. Yes oh god damn thing. It's not a monkey. These pictures among greatly like pull out all the tubes and yet is just freaking out yelling. He drank my sailings. I did not realize it was like visiting terminal patients and now the guardian article israeli fucking. Yup oh they also have the horse like licking a casket of a young person who died of cancer cheese. Rice fucking nostril. Outscore all the way down there. Oh my gosh go inhaling the soul this daniel empire vampire horse. Yeah the suck seoul's fucking horse whole sucking or someone is the photo shops. The horse inhaling this woman's soul like through astral near death it'd be like get he's fucking animals outta here die. Some of the people are actually writing the horse through the hallway like life at the end of life. Such a funny idea get up. It's time to do carry ride the horse all the way we realize you don't have any living loved ones so we arranged karaoke party with a bunch of animals. We're taking you do utah. Farm pet all the ducks. I wanna stay here. This is for the news chris As always such a pleasure having you man thank you so much fun to be on. I both you guys and Always i mean always so much fun. I always look forward to this very much. Well we always look forward to having you can people find you and folly you can follow me on the crofton show on instagram and twitter. Still writing poems. Almost every day on twitter and You can watch cobra. Got me like live tonight on twitch facific there or you can watch it. Watch it on youtube cobra. Got me like or you can watch it on or listen to it on spotify or apple. Whatever and it's it's a podcast now it's It works the podcast as we basically do a lot of talking. I mean the videos are part of it but it's not any way it works is the podcast so listen to that got me like and and view it as well and is there a tweet or some other where co yes been enjoying. Yes i have one for once. Resistant fucking shore. I fall apart every time. Fuck fuck fuck. It's but maybe someone's already done because it was such a masterpiece. Blair sake dissimilarity. Do it now hurler like long thing that she did about being on the plane team at okay layers legend. This is a this is such a fucking good tweet assigned a tweet. It's like an epic story. So we're sake man across the aisles pretending not to notice me sexually a train. A train thespian. But unfortunately for him. I trained i and i can see through his beleaguered labor. Then she says i know. He's digging deep right now is he. Hasn't looked looked over in minutes. The strain is palpable. You could say it. Has its own heartbeat at this point for thing is if any man has ever existed a woman eating beef jerky with a chardonnay in the history of the world. That's the line of the whole thing. That's the law. In the history of world is to kill pol kindle out coquettish little tart. A master of koi hasn't a clue is. Transparency is blinding me. Like a freshly cleaned glass. I've got them right where i want him. He's a goner and has no idea who is dealing with. Fortunately my playbook is endless. Just reapplied aquaphor to my entire face. Seize besieged run. His hand down like a slip and slide though he hides and tom clancy i know. Surrender is near folks folks folks. He just pulled out and i've asked. The gazelle is limping now. Bounds lee lifting. Now he fell asleep sir. You think i was born yesterday. I haven't seen something. This calculated says the subprime mortgage scandal. Sweet little bugger. Isn't ready for my ultimate finisher. Move right offer. With some of my veggie crisps. Andy gracefully concedes. Giving over to th just ends so good so great. He's just one more. She added a day later. Well we spent the weekend together and cried and said he doesn't know what he'll do. If i don't find me doesn't tire family immediately. I swear. I wish life would surprise me even one time. That's if anyone is resistant woman eating beef jerky and drinking started in the history of the world. I don't know why world kills a legend. That's danell where can people find you. What the tweet you've been enjoying you can find me on all the things including twitch tv sausage a underscore daniel where i two. We'll be streaming this evening. But i- early. I start earlier enemy and then go watch colebrook. I'll be you can find me there. And i also have a short series of tweets that i liked from former guests had sarai as royce pasteurize. And he told story original quickly. This is my addition to the men's wedding ring discourse. One time at the pawnshop. A woman came in looking to get a quote on a ring. It was a little ass diamond solitaire. I think i've told her we'd give her one hundred dollars for it. She asked how much we sell it for a total to fifty. She looks a little piss. And that's usually because jewelry has an insane retail markups chace. 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Allied casualty had been the insurance company in all. This is the adjustment office frank tortoise. Speaking my name's johnny mr porter. I'm an investigator. Think i've heard of you mr dolly. Wonder if you could give me a little information about a claim your company handled in one thousand nine hundred fifty one. A man named julian mccormick on long island jeep longtime ago. What about the mccormick. I might have some information on it. I don't know yet. it's a long chance. I'm at police headquarters and i notice you investigated for the insurance company. I'd like to talk to you sure. But it's kinda late today tomorrow or you can tell me this right now. Is there any reward being offered. She wish kind of falls my sales it about a reward. You sound like you can make full recovering. Wanna make sure that you'll be paid for it. Said it was just a long shot. How about the rewards won't pretty standard with us on cases like this. Yeah i think it's seventy five hundred or something like that. And i'm not sure where staying. Well i'll look it up. Get the exact figure in cali there. That'll be fine. Before i left the police station at turned out a mug on joe penny it was a big broad shouldered with plenty of beef and a list of petty convictions for of them in new york state. The last one was for carrying concealed. Weapons is parole. Status was good though on the parole officer furnish me with his home address the allen hotel rates day week or month. One hundred and fifteenth street open. I looking for japan sir. That's me my name's johnny dollar. Yeah i just came down from. Ossining i saw a friend of yours up there. Joe who is that my can. I was mike not so good. He died today. It's too bad he was a nice old coot of like them. Said if i ever saw say hello he didn't give you my address now. I got it from the parole office. You some kind of cup now. I work for an insurance company by drink. 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Salo an old friend of mine if you haven't got anything to come on long you're okay bob. Sure why not this friend of yours. He's an ex con to. He never did any time. Just a friend. Want to sail always all rich fellow his. Name's julian mccormack a very big with lows around here today. Aren't you anything wrong. Joe you probably are. Why do you say that nothing ever know. Anyone named mccormick a new. A guy named ernie mccormick wants back in salt lake city. We're pals for a while. Yeah arnie was killed in the war. Got himself drafted in the infantry. Maybe he's related to my friend. Jillian mccormick out on long island. He wasn't related to anybody that bird. I'm leaving. I want to get up early tomorrow on. Come with me. Thanks for the drinks. He drifted off down the street and left me standing there and one thing i was sure of. He had the name of comic on his mind whether it was the right mccormack of the right case. I didn't know anyhow. He was my one big league. 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I can't imagine what it's like for other parents with kids in older grades my colleague suzanne six year old is a first grader at only elementary on the north side we chatted the other day about the highest speculations of remote learning on young kids in us parents. She says it's sometimes hard to see other kids in her son's class. Doing exactly what the teachers ask. My kid does not even get up. Because he's like. I'm i have some choice you're going to play with and i'm just not gonna since it went features a total. That's giorno is. I'm always thinking that has your head. you know. The in my case teachers notice how this engaged he was an recommended. I pull him out of the optional classes so that he would have a better attitude in the main class where he learns the most. I was worried. I really wanted him to be in the spanish conversation class. Like some other kids be more engaged. So i reached out to teachers for tips has given. Ethan is at preschool teacher at bill. Crayola mentor in the northwest side. We have electrons. No you know you can never compare in. Every kid is has their own unique way. You know their own way of learning their own way of expressing themselves. I knew that. But i didn't quite put it into practice when i saw the juno wasn't as involved as other kids in his class there was other advice. Maybe a weekly prize for him. Give them a goal. Okay so if you do your work you know if you buy your name correctly by yourself. Know today give you a sticker. Socio uses that strategy. But like we've broken it down attainable goals alike you know. Can you get ready by yourself in the morning. Can you pay attention for most of this hour. If you can you get a sticker. She got this tip from our teacher last year and it seems to work for her. I'll tap the sticker An like just tapped the sticker link. Sosa gives her son as mold prize at the end of the week. Depending on how many stickers he has collected it could be a plush. because she'll doll a slime. Kit benitez the teacher. Also stressed with the parents need to be overly excited. Make learning fun and most important be patient. That are you know why you're doing it wrong. You know what this is. How you do know a lot of kids. Don't know how to hold the korean kids. Don't know how to hold the pencil and show them show them okay. So this is how you hold the pencil. So i went to the dollar store. Get a dry race board markers lots of speakers and some prices. Hot wheel slime pops. I told you about the speaker. System the reward at the end and things improved palazina all on alexander cejka being feel oh us. I also showed a lot more excitement and less restauration. When he didn't want to drought participate. S things get allowed better from their own. But it's still hard. It's hard to second job teaching. Which has helped me understand even more important role teachers play a two months. Juneau has learned so much his more willing. To speak in spanish he confidently counts in both languages and sing songs. Still unsure about in person learning during a pandemic i can tell juno wants to interact with his classmates of the screen but for now would try to make it work. Hoping he won't be too far behind when the pandemic is over atlantica guys. Wbz news the university of illinois at urbana campus initially predicted that. It's mass testing program. And other mitigation efforts would keep the total number of covid nineteen cases on its campus to under five hundred this semester but the actual of cases rose much higher to more than thirty eight hundred with the vast majority occurring among the thirty five thousand students. Living in champaign urbana to understand what lessons have been learned throughout the process of reopening. The campus during the pandemic christine. Herman spoke with u. of i. Epidemiologist becky smith. Holiday students are most likely to have a symptom. Call posse symptomatic cases which means they have very minor symptoms if any so we know that the majority of our cases if only tested the symptomatic we would not have found them now. That means that we found a lot more cases than most people that so it looks like we have a lot more infection going on because we found so many cases that said we found more cases than we wanted to in part because there were more cases than we would have liked. And we've learned a lot in the process so let's pick that apart. What have been the biggest lessons. And what are the things that maybe you would have done differently with hindsight that you have now that might change the way things go moving forward into twenty twenty one so i think the biggest lesson is that technology cannot save us from a pandemic we have to have culture working with the technology being the university of illinois is a very tech heavy campus. We went all in on the technology. And then we're picking up the culture pieces as we go and really. It would be better to work them together and moving forward. That's what we're doing that we're working in concert with social scientists and with the communication experts to try to build everything together. So when you say technology you're referring to the testing piece but also the use of the app for exposure notifications and the culture piece. Can you tell me what you mean by that. So the culture is the people following the guidelines. It's compliance. We talk about. I don't like the word compliance because it sounds like we're putting down rules. Everybody needs to comply which really what we want to do is give guidelines that help people keep themselves safe. We want to empower people. Give them what they need to keep themselves safe. Unfortunately there's a culture in some groups on our campus and not just students but some groups on our campus have the belief that this is not a risk for them and so they are choosing not to follow our recommendations or guidelines. because they don't see the point Some of the countries that have done the best at controlling this virus have been countries in which rather than the individualistic mindset. That americans have their countries in which care for the community takes priority. So how do you bake that into. A strategy for cove mitigation. This is a major question that we are thinking about. I mean you've possibly heard the quote from dr fauci. He said. I don't know how to tell you that you have to care for other people so it that this is something that everybody at. All levels of pandemic control no the in order to control the pandemic. We have to care for other people and we have to make those choices. I don't know how to make that happen but then again on the inside. I'm not a social scientist. So that's why we're bringing in the social scientists in the communications experts to understand before we can actually change people's minds and attitudes about how to keep everybody safe. We have to understand why they're making the choices that they are that we've got a team that's actually working on talking to spend doing surveys doing interviews and focus groups just to try to understand. Why do people make the choices that they do. That you of i. Epidemiologists becky smith. She spoke with christine. Herman western illinois. University's new president says the school has a good ten year strategic plan in place and he thinks he can provide the leadership to see that plan through and help western improve retrigger reports one issue. The planet dresses is enrollment. Western currently has about seventy five hundred students. Dr guido you huang says the strategic plan calls for it to rise to ten thousand by twenty twenty seven huang believes western can hit that mark if it's aggressive in recruitment and retention now because a kidding enrollment goal depends upon many factors in resources human resources financial resources program availability and also even rolling partly The demographic shift we have seen throughout many parts of the country Fewer students are graduating from high school. Therefore for your college gores In currently and then either the future with means we need to have a more aggressively recruited students. Not only all your but also the neighboring states i even with High school graduating classes What do you do to convince those students. That western is a place they should come to. Your western does have Again i you know. Very good of rob program So now many of them are traditionally liberal arts programs. But are now we have The university has A number of professional pool rooms so both on the main campus mccomb and after the quality's campus programs covey from behind on the other hand The university has a tremendous opportunity to Increased incidence improve around this distinction in the quality of existing program. So that's one thing. I want to look at in the green romance. Another very important sue. I would like to look at is retention. You know western doing a fine job retention students but we do better by focusing upon removing the barriers To assume that retention of course the steelers themselves how responsibility to themselves to come to western here with her undergraduate for yet so that we can do Who grew you're on. One of the challenges facing the campus is systemic racism on campus and in the community. How how do you go about addressing that very important topic and anyone listening their students. Oakland staff You know many years of professional life it takes zero tolerance policy hire hold dear so Rookies rail know you. Yeah there i. I was a victim who receives a when i wasn't new student. The united states ahead a car little people driving by Through the head. That's me All by soda. Salting fans right off experienced Racism times It's not be tolerated The major priority on my list. I mean ireland on habit in a couple of months Do you feel you've been subjected to racism Maybe even more subtle forms In the time since the encounter you mentioned earlier. Oh yeah yeah. now i'm asian. There are all kinds of stewart's hop though It depends groups including right. You name the thing right away already racism is india. Deal with because little rock for the soccer is is is is harder to discern and that's where the battle should be fought. She called should not to look at Individuals from other racial ethnic groups and the judge them because of the color of their skin the texture of the hair or the way the dress we be the language dr. We want as the new president of western illinois university. He'll take the reins in january rich agar reporting just ahead on statewide. We recall a singer songwriter and baseball fan. While he's no longer with us assisting quite whereas relieved swayed played their seals about air. Even though fans weren't in the ballpark's at wrigley field in chicago while there were no fans what has become a team. Anthem was still played following. Victories member station w. b. easy produces a podcast called curious city where listeners ask questions and reporters seek out answers and this week on statewide. Will listen back to an episode. That featured reporter jesse dukes along with alexandra sullivan and it focuses on that song and the song writer both of which are pure chicago. Okay alex add like to start us off with some sound go cubs go jesse here it so you do you recognize you can pause it pause it. Do you recognize the sound. That is the song they sing it cubs games and i believe you have to win. But i'm not a hundred percent sure on that. Yep you're absolutely right. It's go cubs go. And they play it over the public address system at wrigley field if the cubs win a home game. But there's actually a little bit of a dilemma. It was actually spotted by our question. Asker It came from nick brunner and he noticed something in the third verse of the song which many people don't even know but it goes. He mocked alex. Did you catch the problem. I know that. Wgn doesn't broadcast the baseball games anymore. Exactly the problematic line is you can catch it all on wgn which is not true anymore and in fact the cubs haven't been on wgn radio for a few years now but wgn tv has been there broadcast home for decades and that is no longer true as of this year because the cubs are launching their own network marquee sports network. And you know the cubs. Probably don't want to promote a rival broadcaster in their own stadium. So nick our question asker wanted to know what are the cubs gonna do about that so you could get a superfan maybe to write another song or rewrite the song but you could not get the original songwriter to rewrite it. Who is Steve goodman so here's historic steve. Goodman was born in nineteen forty eight grew up on the north side of chicago and his biographer clay. Ill says he was a cubs fan from beginning whose dad would take him to wrigley. He would skip school to go. See the cubs and you gotta understand. This was a time when the cubs were not drawing very many people. They never won. This was peak lovable. Losers cubs in fact. I just looked this up He was born in nineteen forty eight. The cubs did not have a winning season until nineteen sixty three so until he was fifteen years old he never saw them have a winning season. Steve started getting into music when he was pretty young. He saying in the choir at his temple was a boy soprano. He played guitar and kind of highschool. Full been you never highschool never saw him without a guitar went off to college but didn't last very long because he didn't like to go to class. You would rather play the guitar and right around this time. He's twenty years old. He is not feeling very well. He goes to the hospital and he is diagnosed at age. Twenty with acute lymphoblastic leukemia. Very scary diagnosis. The prognosis for people. Who got diagnosed back then. Was maybe six months. You know there wasn't really an effective treatment. But they were just starting to develop these new cancer treatments and he signed up for an experimental treatment and after several months of that the cancer actually goes into a remission in the summer of nineteen sixty nine. And that's really when he decides he's done with college in he's just going to focus on being a full-time folk musician. We all these little signals in our life. It's sort of like being at a light and the light turns red or it turns green steph. Wait for the light sometimes. Pretty quickly he could make a living just playing songs singing songs in a handful of bars around chicago. There were all these clubs And they were really just kind of like bars like places where you know. Maybe get fifty sixty seventy chairs. There is the url of old town which became his home. Our own steve goodman some performers. Get up and sing their songs. Steve would do that. He was virtuoso guitar player but he also was a storyteller song. After i walked to the bottom of the grand canyon in thousand nine hundred and five just got back. He talked about the cubs a lot. And how terribly theme. Because now they haven't wondering my lifetime not that young just charmed everybody okay so by the early nineteen eighties. Steve is making his living as a folk singer as a musician. And he's pretty successful and he's lived. You know ten years longer than the original doctors would have predicted his early thirties but he still has two goals. There's still things that are alluding him and one is that he's never had a hit song on the charts where he's the performer. And the singer other people have recorded songs he wrote and had hits. You know maybe most notably arlo guthrie. The son of woody guthrie at a number four easy listening hit with the city of new orleans. The country singer. David allan kkob had a country. Hit with you never even called me by my name on it kind of makes fun of country but it made it onto the country music charts. Well name steve. Goodman wrote that saw and he told me it was the perfect song but he was never the singer on those hits up to that point. And you know it's clear that he may have been a little frustrated about that. Why didn't he have hit well. There are a lot of possible reasons. But by refer klay heels has a theory back in the nineteen seventies. He was discovered by the country. Singer kris kristofferson goodman was being handed the brass ring you know. Would you like to come to new york to start a a recording contract most anybody in that circumstance which say gee yes thank you. Thank you but the first thing out of goodman's mouth was you think i'm good. You got to hear my friend. John prime he had this instinct towards generosity. And i'm not sure that always worked in his favor. That kind of generosity is more of a great lesson but it doesn't necessarily translate into becoming a household word aims to nice guy. Yeah maybe he was just too nice to have a hit. So that was goal number one and moving onto goal number to remember steve loved. Baseball have been trying to write a song about baseball for four years. And i get about three quarters of the way through it. And then i walked somebody and take myself out. You know. I never get to finish the damn thing. It's basically means failure. It's true i i get about three quarters away through it and then then i'm struggling. You know it's a hat afternoon. And i'm looking to bench and the manager comes out so he's been trying to write a baseball song for years and finally in one thousand nine hundred one. He wakes up in the middle of the night. This vision this dream and from that comes a song called a dying cub bands last request by the shores of old lake michigan. What you're seeing is video of steve. Playing the song live an old cub fan lei die. He's up on a rooftop guitar. He's got a bright blue cubs. Head on you could see wrigley field in the background. You can even see the infield grass nice and green. They knew his time was short. It's about this lifelong cubs fan. Who is dying. you know. i'll never see wrigley field anymore before my eternal rest. And he's telling his friends and family how he wants to give me a doubleheader funeral in wrigley field on some sunny weekend day and the song also really makes fun of the cubs or losing all the time. But what do you expect when you raise up a young boys hopes and then just crush them mike. So many paper veer cups year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year until those hopes that are just so much popcorn for the pigeons beneath the el tracks team. He said you know. I'll never see wrigley field. That's intense actually. What's intense about it. Now that i know about his diagnosis it feels like it's autobiographical. And he's talking about his death yet it does. It sounds that way but you know when he wrote the song he was in remission he had been more or less cancer free for twelve years but between the time he wrote the song in this video was shot. The cancer had returned. And i think you can actually see it in the video. You know even though he smiling and he looks happy. It looks like he's lost some weight and he probably knows at this point that the leukemia's back and it's it's pretty serious joe brings so that was steve. I baseball song and pretty quickly becomes a crowd-pleaser at his shows and kind of a local favourite in chicago in fact the local. Tv station wants to film him. Performing it at wrigley field. The cubs wouldn't allow it They said no. And the reason was the song pokes fun at their propensity to lose and they. They didn't like that. This was a time when they were trying to rebuild team and they were focusing on winning and they just didn't want that lovable losers crap in their stadium. So this is where dan fabian. Okay comes into the store talking into the receiver dan. Fabian was a radio producer at wgn radio and one time while he was at work. He saw steve goodman on the radio. You know like doing an interview or performance and mandalite pogue went on baby and had been looking for some bumper music for the wgn cubs broadcasts stuff to play in between the innings. And so he saw steve goodman there and he had this idea. What if steve goodman writes a song. I literally ran to the studio dribbled a little note when it's flipped it to him during a commercial. Hey do you want to write another song. I like dying cups. Fan's last request. Would you like to read a happy cubs. Song that was on a tuesday eighteen back thursday with qatar with the bone to the sun and the following monday night tuesday morning we had a party little studio just south of wrigley goodman just like rounds up a bunch of his folks singing friends i think a couple of the cubs were actually part of it too And they just knocked the they knocked the song out and what. What was your involvement with the recording. Where you were you producing. I'll have you know. I'm the high squeaky voice in the background. Oh you say. I told you it was a party recorded. It and three weeks later and the cubs liked it and this year the cubs. This is one thousand eighty four. They're actually doing really really well that year. And they say you know what if we make it to. The playoffs steve goodman can come and sing the star spangled banner. He's not going to sing the dine cubs fan song. Well let's see goodman. Come in saying you know to kick off the game Because we we love this song and the cubs actually make it to the playoffs for the first time since. Nineteen forty five. But steve goodman dies of leukemia. Four days before that. But that's actually not the end of the story so you remember. I told you he wanted to write a great baseball song and you know arguably he wrote to do you remember. His other. Big goal wanted to have a song that he wrote himself that he performed. That would be a hit exactly. That song go cubs go was used by. Wgn for a few years but then it kinda got forgotten you were talking about the cubs playing it at the end of every game. That's a relatively recent tradition. That started in two thousand seven which was also a big year for the cubs somebody at the cubs organization said. Hey remember that old song from the eighties goodman all that. Why don't we just that often. Play it after a home game win and we'll see if people sing along and they dance they sing along. It caught on became big tradition at wrigley field. Also caught on in the bars. You know they would. People would sing along and then twenty sixteen years. You'll want this is going to be a tough go cups. Go gone a lot of attention. Tv marie in a couple of sang. The song and saturday night live cast of hamilton chicago. Saying it and you know. Hundreds of thousands of people were seeing it in grant park at the victory parade. There's something like two million streams on spotify and it went up on the billboard charts and that's like what thirty years later. He finally gets a hit that he sang. Steve goodman fans would say it's kind of ironic because go cubs go is not what they would consider to be one of his best songs but clay eels and other say goodman would appreciated the situation and yeah. It's sad that he didn't live to see it. But if you think about it it's also kind of the perfect story for this song because you know for most of steve's life the notion that the cubs are gonna win baseball season's here again you know it's time to start a whole new day. All of these lines are about optimism in spite of all the available evidence and i think that resonates deeply with chicago cubs fans. And i think that sorry. I'm getting emotional. I think it's also even though it's a pretty simple song. It is also kind of essence of steve goodman to And i think you know. In that clip i played for you. And you see all those people singing the song full-throatedly they've got signs that say this is for grandpa. Think steve tapped into that. Yeah no i think you're right. I mean i think there is a dream that somehow they'll succeed some day and people not giving up on that dream. I do think it's real and i think it some kind of like the spirit of the city a little bit chicago were not new york. But we're gonna matter to. I do think it's a part of the spirit head of the city itself that's captured in that idea. So maybe you know you could see why it might be a little bit difficult for the cubs to think about rewriting or re performing the song. Okay i see why now. It's not such a simple thing. So what are they doing well. They have said they're going to continue the tradition. But according to klay heels. Steve goodman's biographer. It doesn't matter what the cubs do song is joined to survive. Kenny ownership change any radio change because the fans. We'll be singing the song no matter. What mean go cubs go forever. Thanks to reporters jesse dukes alexandra solomon of wbz this episode for their furious city. Podcast was produced by stephen jackson. Sustained wia dom de with us. We'll hear your stay body resident alien streaming video graham year but they're still more to come but first misinformation about covid nineteen as sometimes spread faster than the disease itself chase. Cavanaugh looked at some of the reasons. Why in this report when it emerged earlier this year the world had limited knowledge of the coronavirus. And it's full effects doctors. Some researchers work to better understand disease but countless rumors also circulated peter adams with the news. Literacy project explains like self tests. You can hold your breath for ten seconds. You don't have it in. That's entirely false or you know if you gargle with water you can wash the virus out of your throat. That's false so so. Those kinds of false claims circulated quite a bit. These small-claims can escalate too much larger concerns when somebody gets sick including how they seek treatment. That's what dr brian austin. Hospital is medical director at delmore. Hospital is seeing people who are waiting and delaying routine care or even urgent care are presenting with more advanced problems that perhaps may have normally been the case pre cova expert information on covid nineteen may appear sporadic and contradictory. This post engine is a factor of time. Typically you've got months to years together ada on with kovic you've kind of been operating on a much much smaller timeframe to to determine what's best works for patients who you know what may not be as effective confusion and can also come from a misunderstanding of how scientific research is done. Nicola do is a professor at northern illinois university whose work includes training future science teachers. She says issues can arise when people are presented with reports of studies that contradict each other when there's new findings that is often picked up because it's exciting but in the scientific community you would find that if there's one finding that's quite unusual that the rest of the scientific community will would be pretty skeptical of that. Finding do emphasizes that science is an iterative process skepticism. In this case prompt further study they might change a particular variable and they might find. You know that finding wall. It was true when we put it in this new context. We find out more information that contextualized that i finding but even with a proper understanding of research. They're still the matter of people trusting the information that they find adams with the news literacy project says over the past decade people had been consuming a greater proportion of opinion content that has caused people to just echo the talking points that they're hearing all day every day and people are really failing to distinguish between opinion journalism and straight news reporting. That's not to say opinion. Journalism doesn't have a role people who know subjects very well who engage in honest debate to take positions that are well reasoned fossil that plays a role in the national conversation. But we still need a shared set of facts about which to have a debate. Liu says the should also be taken into account when judging suggested courses of action regarding covid nineteen there are a lot of economic consequences and personal consequences to following the guidelines presented by scientists and when we group those things together that makes it a point to the scientists as their the problem. They're not the problem. The data's the data what we choose to do with that data a different question ultimately a large part of combating. Disinformation comes down to distinguishing opinion versus fact. Liu says this can depend on the nature of the research behind report. I look at who has done. A study is study funded by a company that profiting off of results. I look at did that. Finding have control group or comparison group. So did they vary a variable. And how information is presented. The information doesn't actually ask you to trust it. Shows it shows you why you should stint unit in northwestern. Medicine says patient knowledge is improving now. Fortunately sometimes people just don't know how they were exposed or when they gave acquired front but we feel very spectrums very little knowledge of anything about kobe. Nineteen to kind of people who really do a good job reading on it and the hope is that greater scientific and media literacy can help fight the flow of misinformation. I'm trace cavenaugh. This past week marked the fifty seventh anniversary of one of the most tragic events and us history the assassination of president. John f kennedy. It happened in dallas texas in nineteen sixty three. But what i know about is an incident here in illinois in springfield just a year earlier. The president writing an open vehicle when a rifle was pointed out of a building above crystal. Thomas is a former reporter with the state journal register and twenty eighteen. She wrote an article about that incident and we talked with her then and today on statewide. We revisit that conversation crystal. Thanks for being with us and let starts by explaining kennedy's visit to springfield. What was his agenda here. Luke kennedy was visiting springfield as part of a stop during a campaign tour The midterms were in a month and he was in springfield to stump for democratic candidates namely representative sydney eight. He was here to give a rousing speech to a crowd of thousands of people in springfield them to vote for his candidates so he comes to springfield in a motorcade ensues once he leaves The plane at the airport. How did this come to your attention. How did you find out that there was something that occur during that motorcade. Well so on. The fifty fifth anniversary of president john f kennedy's actual assassination. The washington post ran an article by professor stephen. Not this professor. Actually got these declassified documents from the john f kennedy library in boston that explain this incident. He was the one who found That this incident actually happened We didn't know about it for so many years because it was sitting in that document that was still classified until two years ago and your newspaper at the time. Just had a brief blurb that something occurred. Well i wouldn't even call it a blurb because It was two lines on page seven. It was part of. It wasn't even part of the main story it was Part of a story called kennedy sidelights. That was explaining kind of the police presence. It took to protect a president kennedy and to secure the motorcade and two lines Didn't talk about how There was a rifle pointing at president kennedy at one point in the motorcade it all it said was that two youths were arrested and that they were held for secret service. There is no follow up and no explanation for why they were arrested. So talk about the rifle itself in somebody of course witness this. Do we know who saw it. And what did they say. What did they describe seeing and And of course. What did the investigation turn-up ali now about this incident. So far is what was found. In that biweekly report. That was declassified. At two years ago the report is about It's about twenty pages. But the brief about the motorcade is about paragraph and what it says is that there were two young men they Were in a second story floor of a building somewhere. Downtown and as the motorcade passed by that building once it left in illinois department of public safety employees saw a rifle scope sticking out the window and From there on a local police went and got the two youths arrested them and brought them to secret service. They were questioned by secret service. Admitted that they did stick the rifle out the window at the presidential motorcade but their explanation for doing so was that they wanted to see if they can see the president through the scope of the rifle so that when he came back through the motorcade thirty minutes later they could see him better. They weren't prosecuted. They were however their rifle and the ammunition was seized. There was never any follow up that we could tell. No information was given by the police or the secret service to the local media. Not to the local media. And it's pretty curious. Because i couldn't find anything in any of the illinois state journals pages Following the incident. There's nothing about it according to the declassification archivist at the j. f. k. Library in any of the documents. She's looked at There also isn't a trace of it in springfield lore. Which is what i kind of find the most interesting part because there were locals. Who are involved in that arrest. There were police. There sheriff's deputies things like that maybe people who are on that motorcade route that saw something and yet somehow this. This incident didn't trickle down to some kind of rumor or some kind of farfetched story that people tell their grandkids talking with crystal thomas a reporter for springfield st journal register. And we're talking about gfd's nineteen sixty two visit to springfield some new information. That's come out regarding an incident during the motorcade in which a rifle was apparently pointed at the when we mentioned two youths believe sixteen and twenty years old. Were taken into custody eventually not charged with this. You were able to track down. At least one of these people yes. He actually still lives in the area. he was sixteen at the time but now obviously he's much older. I paid a visit to his house on saturday. Because i couldn't track down a number for him and i knocked on his door He opened his door. His small dog came out and we chatted for a bit. I there's no way really to Begin the conversation about whether you try to donate a president fifty six years ago so i mostly just asked a question. Showed him the brief. He didn't really want to talk about it So what you see in. The paper is pretty much everything. He told me that you know stories. Right there in the In the brief and He grabbed his meal and then closed the door. Then you did not identify him because he was never charged with any crime. No he was never charged a secret. Service declined prosecution. We took a look at his local criminal records to see if that cave any kind of indication one way or the other That would talk to his motivation about the incident. And didn't there is nothing who's pretty clean when it came to his record and so we just decided not to name him all though he is named in the brief well. It's interesting to me this incident. Even though we can't prove that there was any intent to harm president kennedy at the time it sort of foreshadows the events in dallas. Just a little more than a year later. Apparently though it did nothing to stop the president from writing in an open motorcade or at least that we're aware of that Whether the secret service started becoming more concern because of this one incident where they were. They realized that he was much more risk in something like an open. Motorcade just seems interesting to me the the close proximity of this to the actual assassination. Yeah the actual. Assassination was thirteen months after the springfield incident and there are a lot of similarities President kennedy in dallas was in an open-top limousine Similar to how he was in springfield. you know. He was shot from above so there were a lot of similar similarities. The two trips And one thing we can't know at this point was what kind of conversations the secret service had Or president kennedy had after this incident in springfield If there were any conversations you know. They're not in records that we can see or have been declassified. But i will say that one thing to keep in mind is that president kennedy himself didn't enjoy bulletproof glass. He wanted to be out in the open. And one of his most infamous quotes. Was you know if i'm paraphrasing right now. But if someone wanted to kill the president they would find a way to do so so Whether they took lessons from this springfield incident or not. There's no way of knowing if that trigger had been pulled in springfield if something had more aggressive had happened in springfield whether that would have prevented. I still love to hear from people who were in springfield during that incident I think there are so many more stories to be told. I'm sure that there are witnesses seeing The two men either being arrested or seeing rifle scope themselves or the illinois department of public safety employees I think there's still a lot more to learn about this incident. That interview took place two years ago and not much more has been discovered sense. Crystal thomas the reporter who was then with the state journal register has since moved on but we do have a linked to her story about a rifle being pointed at president kennedy during a visit to springfield in nineteen sixty two. That was just a year before he was shot and killed. You can find that link at our website. Statewide show dot com this past week. Mark the fifty seventh anniversary of jfk's assassination in dallas. That's all the time we have on statewide. We hope you're enjoying your holiday weekend. Be with us next time. We'll have more reports conversations from in and around illinois also like us on facebook. Keep up with the show each week. 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Here as always to take your calls and thoughts about whatever's on your mind it is ian and the captain and of course the toll free number is eight fifty five four fifty free if you wanna join us here. Eight five five four five zero three seven three three coming up the canadian barbecue restaurant owner. Who has now been arrested for simply trying to open the doors to his own business. Wow yeah what's that all about. Well it's been developing over the last week and finally you know we've got time to talk about here last week. we talked. Actually we had a nice positive story last week of the buffalo new york area gym where the The denizens there. They kicked out without without using violence. Just their words. I saw a follow up stores. Sheriff's today yeah really. Yeah it was just a few more details about what happened. Was it the fact that the owners tore up the fifteen thousand dollar fine that he got on it was more. Just a highlight of how the people had gathered together a to try and figure out ways to remain in business and possibly even subvert these dystopia and rules that these governors are laying down upon people And you know the whole hollering adam to get out and kind of thing was sort of the highlight of that but it was. The headline was something along. The lines of a bunch of business people gathered to figure out how to stay open and remain economically viable and then call it a protest of because that's legal right right have a protest and then inside a business and then ended up kicking out the thugs. Yeah it was awesome video on the air last week now. A video that we're not going to be able to play for you tonight. You just finished watching right before we started the show here tonight. Captain kick ass. You were due to some family obligations unable to attend our protest yesterday. Outside of the new hampshire attorney. General's you guys did a bang-up job here fun. Was that a fun video or what i. I'm sorry i wasn't there. And also i don't feel so bad about my singing after hearing y'all do the chronic christmas carols so yeah it was a lot of fun we did cover it last night to some extent but the video is now available. It took me several hours to put that together. It was actually two cameras. So it's always more complex when you're editing video from two to cameras so check out Free keen dot com. You can go there now. The videos there on the front page. There's there's just a few profanities in the video. So i can't play the audio on the air but it is pretty entertaining. We had eight people out in front of the new hampshire attorney general's house yesterday. We don't know if he was actually there. We know somebody was there wife was there. Do we know that that was percents. That was his wife. I checked her online. Her name's jennifer eber and so i've published the video which includes his home address in case anybody else wants to swing by was not too pleased. it seemed no not at all She was demanding that we get quote off her property on quote. But the thing that she. I guess didn't realizes when government road runs through your property that you don't get to control. Who's on the road. So you know we always talk about ending the state here on free talk live that coercive government should come to an end and then of course people say well. What about the road. Well if we didn't have government we wouldn't have public roads. All roads would essentially have a private owner. And so you could restrict people that would go on private rosen and gated a so only do and that does happen where private roads doing correct so like gated neighborhoods or disneyworld. Even you know folks who by twenty acres at the end of whatever. The public road is going to build their own road back to their properties wherever they put houses on their property those private roads some subdivisions to gated even gated ones. Yeah we also have some private road so and generally. They're marked as such troop. This case was a public road. And so what they had done. Was they'd bought the properties that we're across the street. So they bought three adjacent properties across the street just wooded property and then there was like one property next door that they also bought so they. They basically surrounded themselves with the attorney. General's making some klein on and all that prime better believe It's good business working for the gang at the top as a top gangster so they thought that that was going to protect them. And i'd probably means they just don't want their neighbors nearby in that successful at that but it didn't stop us from having a protest fully legal protest out on the side of the road. They're the cop. The cop cops were actually on their best behavior. And you'll see that in this video. In fact they seemed somewhat amused. By what one of them was definitely amused by what was going on and He at one point. He did try to convince us to move the cars. We'd parked on the side of the road. We weren't on their property to the shoulder. And we know what an easement is so like when we pushed back just a little. Bit like yeah. That's an easement. we're not gonna move them. Then he says okay and he dropped it completely so that was the only kind of like push we we even received from the cops in that particular instance. They were absolutely on their best behavior. Dave ridley is with us. You're said don't miss the video. It's really worth a watch. It's pretty entertaining. Free keen dot com. You can find it there. of course. it's the latest video and go. Watch it the freaking youtube channel as well and by the way i did look just curious like has anybody else protested at the attorney general's house because we've heard that there have been protests at some governors house. I was going to tell you that. I've seen at least four that i'm aware of and there's probably more that i'm not aware of this. Whole protest at the governor's house. Things seems to be kicking off california michigan connecticut. I can think off time my head But but looking at attorney general houses. I did see something from back with the. Blm movement protested outside the kentucky attorney. General's house i haven't really seen anything else. Besides that when. I looked briefly earlier today dave ridley is with us from Up at least. I presume david new hampshire. You're the only dave new hampshire that ever call. Hello you're on the air. Yeah i do really appreciate these protests. Ashby fat outside the bureaucrat. House and i've been i was been monitoring to try and see what kind of media coverage that they've been generating little at least in new hampshire very little. I think that. I think that is significant. That is more news worthy than the media converts. The fact that nobody's covering it is news worthy there. We did see some last week from last week's entertainment sunday. In front of the governor's house. I saw one article from an actual news site. The seacoast online did send a reporter out to the event and to her credit. She did not wear a mask the entire time. so that's why. I wasn't clear that she was even reporter. I like watch for a while. And then did see her taking some notes at one point. Okay that's actually a reporter in nbc. Boston apparently picked up a that. Pick up that article and people picked up that article but the one that the attorney general's office apparently completely ignored by the media and attorney. General's house i mean. Yeah how well the news about it dave. Just to be fair to the media. The news about it did not come out until three hours ago. Because it was a secret event we did not announce the attorney general's house in advance publicly in any way shape or form so it was only announced by word of mouth directly and so that's why only keeney came out to it because the elephant of surprise. Yes so we were totally. Yeah we totally had surprise in that particular case because when we went to the governor's house on sunday by the way that's going to happen again tomorrow soon. Back to the governor's house tomorrow but when we went to the governor's house for the first time. There was a lot to do in advance made about this. I made blog post freaky. And i sent that as a press release to news media to give them a heads up and other people of course were posting it in their vera. Social media's and things like that so there was plenty of publicity and that's why the state police were already on site at the governor's house by the time we arrived yesterday. However there wasn't a single other person around with the exception of protesters us and the people that were at home which at the very least was his wife whether he was there or not is another question and if he wasn't actually there he was there. Let's see send him his wife out. Well that's an interesting question is ball's so right and so here's my speculation on that. Okay so he's a guy with a lot of power right and we had a Dominatrix on the show. Once upon a time like fifteen years ago on free talk live and she kind of talked about her business and the kind of clients that she has and the dominatrix is clients tended to be very powerful men who wanted to be dominated by a woman in this particular because they're in these positions of power and have all this authority all of the time that they're they don't get to you know indulge in. You know sort of being the wimp. Yeah exactly and that maybe they are personally and they they let their their wife sort of wear the pants in the relationship. And i think that the fact that she kept her last name in the marriage is evidence of that right. Because if you look. They're they're married but his name's gordon macdonald and her name's jennifer a either so you can expect from that what you may more coming up here. We'll bring day back. Your calls and thoughts are welcome. It's free five. Do you want more businesses. 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Bill is kind of interesting quote allowing prisoners serving life sentences to be eligible for parole after twenty five years on quote by prime sponsor max abramson. Here's a republican stater. I think that's a good idea. I imagine a lot of the other. Republicans will not agree because you know the republicans tend to be sort of the law law and order mentality. They're going to say oh. They've been sentenced. They need to do the whole thing. Whatever it is. But i think we also need who could use some free staters to be here sort of writing heard on the free state. Legislators and keeping them from proposing bills. That really aren't so pro freedom or aren't really necessary. What you've got some other stuff like mac. Fame rep next. Abramson has proposed Build a house resolution to try and get net flicks to take down some of its programming. What like what kind of price and the democrats to their credit or making an issue of the fact that a free stater is trying to trying to get. Censorship acted on netflix. but it's not precisely censorship. it's more like it again at the resolution so it wouldn't have any teeth resolution is basically the house saying we the new hampshire state house. Say that and then whatever what how what shows he trying to get taken down. Yeah i mean unless it's comedy that's like you know government propaganda we say where at devontae. No there's a netflix. show called cuties. Apparently it features features minor minors. You know i don't know doing whatever. The is a news at this point. I mean this has been. Was this summertime. When this story came out about Cuties and it was controversial. And i think it was one of those things that everybody just moved past and i guess he hasn't moved past. There was a bit of an outrage uproar from well people don't. It was a controversy at the time. But i haven't heard anything about it in in week. Slow two weeks have gone by. So i mean that's seems to be the attention span of folks in the united states anyway the world. Apparently max is still thinking about it. Go ahead there's nothing wrong with pressuring pressuring net flicks but the problem is when you sponsor a house resolution. It costs two thousand dollars of taxpayer money to get hurt and owner. Whatever happens to it so free. Staters should not be proposing so many pieces of legislation point. dave. I totally agree with you. I mean they should only be proposing legislation that repeals government that is not yeah creating new things and and even though the excuses well this is just a resolution it still is a resolution coming from a state government which is an organization of coercive force. And that's you know it's none of their business ultimately what people offer on their internet services if people don't like netflix's for what they've done they can boycott it unsubscribe. Yeah thanks dave. For the call. I definitely appreciate you following closely. What's going on there at the state house. It's dave ridley from ridley report dot com. I like days where he does get stuff he does. He actually came out and hung out with us yesterday. Here in keene. Nice pretty cool. I missed him so You can bring up anything. Let's get into the story here from ontario province in the city of toronto. This as i said has been developing over the last. I would say week and finally we get a chance to talk about it here because now it's really blown up the guy's been arrested now but let me take you back a little bit. Before we get to the arresting part of this according to blog to dot com. It may have taken more than five hours in a ton of back and forth between cop city officials and by law enforcement officers but the controversial at toba coke barbecue joint. That's apparently the city's name. I probably mispronouncing it. A toby coke barbecue joint that publicly reopened for indoor dining despite strict lockdown orders finally closed city of toronto announced shortly after four thirty pm. Tuesday that adamson barbecue had been ordered closed by toronto's medical officer of health under section twenty two of the health protection and promotion. Act the news release from the city said quote despite ontario regulations requiring all restaurants to be closed except for takeout delivery and drive through this establishment opened. Its doors to patrons for dine in my gosh. No they allow people to come in and sit down and eat the criminals in eating the in in eating in contravention of the law. Whoever thought those words would be whoever thought those words would be written eating in contravention of the law. Did you ever think that would happen in your lifetime and you know again. We haven't even reached peak dumb that is designed to protect people from the spread of covid nineteen. The city continued saying investigations requiring the gathering of all the facts before enforcement action can be taken. The city has now taken enforcement action at the restaurant is closed unquote previously reported toronto police. Toronto public health inspectors and city by law enforcement officers. I imagine that's the code. Enforcers had all attended the texas style. Barbecue joint seven queen elizabeth boulevard. Late tuesday morning. It would have been weird for them not to have been there. Given how publicly and aggressively owner adam. Skelly has been promoting his illegal reopening stunt. What many found even stranger though is that the fact that authorities left without laying any charges leaving the restaurant open and filled with defiant anti masters so this was earlier in the week. Now it's closed as you say. How far away is this anywhere near us. Toronto. i can't go. they will arrest me. If i go to canada quote they'll probably arrest me to and investigation was immediately. Launched when the restaurant was found to be operating in contravention of the reopening ontario. Act providing both indoor and outdoor dining service with many patrons not wearing masks and not practicing physical distancing so like us every week since march trent. Yeah and then. The city bladders on police told reporters at the scene following toronto's announcement they would be enforcing the order tomorrow removing any lingering patrons if necessary so what happened was this guy was opening his business as normal people were coming in their. Whoever it was snatched him out cops came. They conducted whatever investigation they conducted but then left and then they came back so they left in it and people who were the karens of the world the the snatches they were upset because they left no one was arrested on then came back and then they shut down the business and they locked the doors. 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You aren't allowed to be open. That's right I wanted to propose a name for the sunday after thanksgiving. Let's call it sex workers sunday. Okay just because there's nothing for sunday their cyber monday which is monday but i don't think there's anything for sunday. Correct me if i'm wrong listeners. At eight five. Five four five zero three seven three three. But i'm pretty sure. Sunday has been left unnamed. And so i was just thinking sex workers why not right. They are the smallest of businesses. they're usually entrepreneurships. Certainly don't get any sort of national promotion sex workers sunday so it actually think toronto. If i recall correctly prostitution may be tolerated there. If i were i think i think in canada. Maybe it's just maybe it's just ontario province but for whatever reason i feel like it's one of those things where it's illegal but it's sort of like let let go basically from wrong about that. Let me know we are talking about toronto. And the government gang. They're targeting a barbecue owner that way shutting shutting down his business as of tuesday or wednesday and we were talking during the break about like toronto. Doesn't have any other things to worry about other than barbecue joint serving some delicious barbecue right. It is one of the largest cities in north america. barely hall the crime has been handled. All there's no murders there's no raves. there's don't muggings. there's no corporate crime. There's none of that. Everything's been handled in toronto and so they're reduced to just shutting down barbecue joints. Apparently well see. This is the new priority for police gonna keep people safe from you know a virus that they can beat ninety nine point nine eight percent of the time or whatever yeah even if it was only like ninety four percent of the time that would still be actually as was pointed out in the video By by andy. Who is one of the guys who was up at the protest yesterday. Is that your immune. System has a much greater chance of fighting off the virus vaccine looking at the recovery rate. How come nobody talks about in the press. The recovery rate from cove in nineteen. What's the recovery rate tremendous tremendous. It's like almost everybody who gets it gets over it. Let's talk to steve some most of the people who get it. Don't even get any kind of symptoms. I mean it's like no big deal whatsoever. let's talk to steve in connecticut. He's watching us on twitter. Feed at twitter dot l. dot fm. Go ahead steve. In high captain your political refugee for panetta our. What's on your mind steve. Hey what about the stops news sunday. Stop stops that's pretty great. I like it at some point. He won't be around anymore. I mean he's not going to be the governor forever. I hope. I don t temporary Daming enough with that. Go with that for the temporary. But how about stop stadium sunday. Yeah there you go even better even better little riff on your idea in this so today being small business sunday in connecticut we had a rally capital you know. Small businesses have been closed because of his dictatorial powers. And we had a second rally plan for business. That was shut down by the governor because of covid The math they were social. What you. I love the way you read. Those artists So we went there today. they're licensed. Was you know they were granted a licence state of nice them but their license was suspended earlier in the week. We had this protest plan today. We went and their business was reopened. So we went there today in order to protest and we thought well. Jeez they're open. Why protest we'll just go in there and support the small business absolutely okay. Good call but they had a person at the front. You know the mask the mask woman almost like the. Tsa there have to wear a mask to get in the door band circuit. A mask about exactly so. It was almost at the point where we might as well just protesting this business. I tell you that you know. There's no they're not fighting back like this person in toronto in their legs they're bowing to the To the health department unelected health department and they're wearing masks inside this bar. That says this is useless but they're still wearing them. Pray it's so frustrating to see. This happen stephen. And we're seeing it in in most of the responses for most businesses and that's because business owners. I mean look. They didn't get into business to do activism. They didn't get into business. They just wanted to make some money and you know. Serve their community with a great product or service. And that's all they really wanted to. Do you know hopefully prophet and send their kids to school or whatever. Their goal was to make a living. Some have a retirement and they never thought that they were going to have to. You know they paid for all the licenses. They paid all the fees and the bribes to the government game because they wanted to be left alone to just be able to do business and now they can't do business in the way they want to but they still just wanna be left alone so they jump through all these hoops and they they always talk about. Oh we'll look at all the things we're doing. We're we're jumping through all these hoops. We've got all the distancing we've got all the mandates. We've got all the masks we've got this. And that and they they just try to just you know show the the government goons in their liberal customers or their scaredy customers or whoever. These people are that are so so cowardly they. Won't you know they're they're just masking themselves. Everywhere in fear of catching some sort of flu or cold or whatever. It's just so ridiculous and unfortunately if people don't stand up then they're just going to keep getting told what to do right and they and then why should they have an employee at the front door. Being the bouncer. They should have from from the health department. There vajpai up and employees work for the governor for free because because the government said so. Well yeah i mean. The government gang isn't going to give you an employee to check people at the door. You've got to pay for that. Which means you got to increase cost. Which means that already already when it's harder than hell to get people even show up at your business these days because people are so afraid and so cowardly so the businesses down right like every restaurant is down as far as its business is quite via significant percentage. And so now. You've got to add another employee to the roster out front sometimes several employees. I noticed that some restaurants around here now have a dedicated person to whenever somebody gets up and leaves besides the person who takes away their their plates in a bus i day. They have a dedicated person. That comes around with the the squirt bottle and a rag. Distant designated disinfectant. I don't have a proper term. Just made that up but state alliterative allen but see someone walking around thing that you can't you can't go cable you can't stand up if you stand up. You have to wear mask sort of the bathroom. You could sit here but you can't stand up next. Stay off the charts and saying you point out a very good point. Something that i don't think gets enough attention. Not only here on free. Talk live but on the news in people's minds and that is the government is now forcing businesses to be the police in these instances and that is wrong in every regard et so uncomfortable so awkward is not a good experience to go out and have somebody yelling at you. You know shaming you. You're just trying to get a bite to eat going to the bathroom. Where she tomorrow steve. There's more coming up here. Play time for you if you want to join us on free talk hi. I'm dan pilla. I started fighting the irs. 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Prep i was reading today considering it but they were talking about how governments today the us data analytics for human response and what they found is that humans do not respond to logic and reason that humans overwhelmingly respond mostly to emotional cues emotional responses and so that's a very strong year is the number one of course and so if if the government wants you to do something i going to make you afraid so that you do not rebel against whatever it is to get you if you're not afraid of the virus then you're probably afraid of the government so i they get the people who are afraid of being sick or afraid of their grandmother being sick they got them locked down and then for those who are not afraid necessarily the virus. But they're afraid of what the government's going to do to him by throwing them in jail cell and or afraid of what their neighbors will think of them. Then they comply as well and that leaves us with the few remaining of us who actually don't care what anybody You know what most people think. And we'll go ahead and live our lives damn the consequences and that's a very small group of young Liquor there's here you know and you know what is known as again with this supposedly second way. Why does the onus become hours to it regarding whatever restrictions are in positions that that government wants to make. Why is it our problem white. What we feel bad. But i don't feel good. I mean i don't feel bad about living my life and making my choices. I feel sorry for people like i have sympathy for them It is hard to empathize with them. Because i don't you know it's hard to put myself in the shoes of somebody who could be so. Obedient and so easily misled. It's very hard to empathize with that. But i do feel sorry for people for being so easily tricked but all and the way the way that the league we're hearing about in terms of of increases in places you know and and it comes back to us. Hey you know do it. The same. I don't know what's going on with your phone. But it's sorta like jumping between muffled and clear and it's kind of hard to understand you i. It's not on on speaker. K but it it becomes the onus becomes on us the small business people that that people are trying to make a living. And we're doing okay. I'm not gonna lie but you know all of the concern about galley. They've watched the news. You know supposedly you know not supposedly i. I assume that it's correct that paces her up yesterday up people look at us and we no guidance small businesses our own. We're using bad information usually to try to make policy. And i just got upset whenever somebody comes in to our place do or you know. It's what are you doing. How did that become my problem. Well because i said so right because the people in charge right the people that have been elected a have these men with guns. And if you don't do what they say you know in you rebel against them enough. They do purport the authority to come and throw you into a cage and if you resist that of course they will shoot you july to make a living to kids to call it to retire to have that experience when you say people ought to experience it you mean. They should experience the difficulties of running your own business. Yeah it's a great point. I mean a lot of people have never been an entrepreneur this the state and its government schools. They discourage entrepreneurship teach classes about it. They they teach people to take the safe road. Just get a job just work at a career work for a company and then retire and you know just plug into the system and don't think outside the box and so the super majority of people don't have any understanding of the difficulties that Small business owner goes through and then there are those who are small business owners but they also support the state right so they they understand that the state is a protection racket essential lean it keeps it keeps other competitors out of their industry for instance so they support having a big government and they support regulations and they support controls and unfortunately business owners willingness to go along to get along is why things are the way they are and i don't blame any of them individually for it but ultimately it's all of their choices to obey for so long for our entire lifetimes in our parents lifetimes and beyond that to do everything that they were told just obediently. Well that's what's led to this point where now they're telling you to basically close your business and most of them are doing what they're told well and it was this way to be four covid nineteen right so so prior to march of this year i mean throughout my life. I've attempted to start several businesses. I attempted to start an independent record label which i failed miserably and lost thirty five thousand dollars that i was personally responsible for ahead to pay back Because may mainly because of things like licensing and all that. Kinda stuff that i you know. I had established my business. You know enough for me to qualify for lend. You know all this kind of all this bureaucracy sort of kicked in whereas if i didn't have to spend money on attorneys to do all of that kind of stuff and have somebody my back pocket. I probably could have made it. Go as an independent musician. I did operate as a small business but we actually never made a profit. So i never got to experience the quote success unquote of small business. But i know the pains that it takes for you to open a small business just in licensing and tax forums and all of that kind of stuff. All the reporting you have to do that. Stuff is free particularly if you have to employ somebody to do it for you so the government has been telling you what to do and how to do it regarding your business whether it's a small business medium business or large business for as long as i've been alive. It's just that now. They're making the small businesses into the policemen for this particular thing. It's been that needed highly. Yeah and those. Those regulations are that was beginning of the end. And thank you sam. I appreciate your call on your thoughts. And i definitely can empathize with you in your frustration. Is i feel because. I am an entrepreneur. I mean luckily. I don't have a storefront the storefront now got the bitcoin embassy That that. I operate but up until that point. I'd always just had a radio show but still it's not entrepreneurship and so kudos to you sam. Thanks for doing what you do out there. Whatever it is. Appreciate your call tonight Unfortunately it was business owners willingness to. Oh just we'll just get the license so we'll just follow all these rules. These regulations these regulations. Sure our burden but well if we don't follow them. The government's going to hurt us. And so i get it. I get why you'd wanna avoid the conflict. I get why people pay the gang. I get why people obey. I understand it but unfortunately that's why we are in the position. We're in because if if when the first and i realized this probably wasn't in any of our lifetimes. But if when the first business was told by some government bureaucrat. Hey we say you need to get this piece of paper over here at the first business owners like flip you and you know just ignored it and then the second business owner was like well. 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We had started to talk about what happened in a town in canada. It's it must be near toronto. It's being reported on in toronto media. More of a prologue to what happened. Yeah well it was the yeah. It was the first chapter which was to say that at a man named adam skelly owner of adamson barbecue. In toba coke coke years. They like to put that. You know he at the end of things it typical beer and it's not it's not cocaine coca nikkei. Okay a even though. It looks like cocaine so they did shut his business down earlier this week after some snitch or multiple stitches snitched on them for allowing people inside. And that's that's the other thing about all this stuff right this whole the covid. Crackdown in all of these health agencies. It's that they're not not only have. They turned they've turned the world into karen's right. Not only if they turned businesses into the police. But they've turned regular citizens indus niches. Well but this is also been a long time coming. Captain for years been snitch programs that have encouraged neighbors to snitch on neighbors for code violations in some cities in other places like new york city i can recall mark and i would go there yearly for the talkers convention so we were driving in. We see all the billboards there was a billboard that was like you could make a thousand dollars. Just turn in your neighbor. If they've got a gun and that kind of thing. As long as we get our conviction you'll get a check. I know that folks when the quarantines first occurred if you will that Some of the government's statewide or citywide would put up a website. Where you can go to report your neighbor and that kind of thing. So i know that it's there and i know that it's been a thing but i think it's being like Not the right. Word is being encouraged more than it ever. Its worst. certainly it's worse than it's ever been so we're going to tell you more about what's happening in the toronto area with the gentleman who has now been arrested so i they shut his business down him then. They locked the doors. They changed the locks so sort of like what happened in new jersey where they changed the locks on the jim motors today. Jay modified his property while they're saying it's not his property that it's their property they're just allowing him to to be there because they're the government so you you can only exist in business with their their mash right right but still like. I'm but see the guy who paid for the property. Yeah is he the guy who you know. Put those doors in. Is he the guy who pays the rent. Or i don't know if he owns the building if you pay the ramp either way. Is he the guy who runs the place. Yeah but if they decide that you don't run this business anymore. Then they'll just remove you from the premises they will change the locks on the doors. And then if you do it he did which has come back and try to reopen your business than they arrest you and that's what happened. That's the rest of the story will actually play some video from toronto news channel about this coming up here in a moment. But we're gonna go back to your phone calls. Oh and there's a gofundme me which for whatever reason hasn't been taken down my gofundme yet and he's now at over two hundred fifty five thousand dollars donation i so there's a bright side to this story but it's been pretty ugly so far from the government side. Let's go first to the phones. And larry indianapolis you're on free. Talk live with ian and captain kick ass told you when they had the mask out i that they were gonna use that as baked ham coming on the citizen to make covert Numbers go down but what they're really trying to do now is to get us into a situation. They already have where you have half of the people that are on disability. Pensions or some other Government assistance and you have the government officials that tips the scales. they're also on the government dole. So what they do is. I was listening to a program. Nowadays you know a lot of black people who came through the civil rights act. Good jobs at the Auto factories and so forth receiving their pensions. They've encourage a lot of black people to get on social security disability now through so they have a call in program and the gist of the program. Is that the all the people that are getting these Funds and getting retirement jets. Call and said i don't care they close it down Long they don't mess with my money. So that's selfish. They don't care if a person has got three kids and they're struggling trying to make it as living car right right. I bet there's another category there to larry. That sometimes gets missed when people think about this that is that there is a whole bunch of different types of industries that have businesses. Whose sole customer is the government these are otherwise private businesses contractors all this kind of thing whose sole or illness largest customer their cash. Cow if you will. And that's how they refer to these when they get the big government contract for whatever work it is. They do they go. I am set right because now they're on the gravy train and this rarely gets counted When you look at the amount of people who are dependent on the government dole. Because you have to consider these businesses to are dependent on your for welfare. Horse actually solid his them to About something and i'm gonna make a prediction and i'll call you back when it comes through but after this vacation they're gonna punish us because our governors already talking about it making the people to come back at their or quarantine for fourteen days. And if you don't have a place to do it on a pitcher you in a corner thank him for. his wife. have already had the team. Because it's expected they came in contact with somebody with covid. He's gonna say well me and my wife had to quarantine Marriage corentin now. And they're going gonna talk to you as you can afford to quarantine so what's gonna happen is is vegetation is do. They have some kind of insurrection. Whatever gone and not a confrontation but you know. More and more guys are they. Got the jewish people to go into the Into the gas chambers without shop on one bullet they march right into the gas timers. They never ever gone. But they make it so miserable and there's all adage that i thought i don't know if they knew where they were going i so from what i understand and i'm by no means a historian. This is just what i. I've heard over the years that i they had them. Report to the city's the concentrated them before they concentrate them in the camps right so they had to They and they all voluntarily came. I mean there are few stragglers. But for the most part these people saw themselves as law abiding people and so well the law says we've gotta go report into the city's we'll stand in lines and they'll check our names off this list and then we'll we'll do next. We don't know we'll just wait 'til the government tells us and then they had them go to the camps and then they put them to death and so you know step one two three along the path towards killings. They didn't know that they were going to their doom. A is what obedience leads to it leads to the duma freedom but there was a that was a public health prosecution that the holocaust was all about that in the crystal knights were. They burnt the building businesses and so forth. That is what they're doing right now destroyed bradley. And let's just like the same pattern and then they put it on billboards now making it a morality deal if you don't wear your masks your murdered neighbor and it's most people are banning into because when you turn on the news. I don't care what people say. These women that are bringing the news. They're just like death silence every time you look at them and the way they look they look like porn actors but especially the colored ones. But i tell you something diabolical going on that is diabolical. Larry thank you for your call the concern. I definitely appreciate hearing from you. The toll free number is eight fifty five four fifty free brown chicken brown cow so speaking of the pretty girls on the news. The young woman here at What is on -tario city news. Toronto to- at the toby coke restaurant for the third straight day they say there was chaos as the lockdown defying owner of adamson. Adamson barbecues arrested. Tina teenagers donny has the details. They got the young woman. 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Just listen to your show in the came to mind A couple of years About a year or two back they were talking about all these walmarts that were shutting down mysteriously and then of course people are saying you know being labeled as conspiracy conspiracy Dot possibility of concentration camps or holding camps or internment camps. or whatever. You wanna call him. I vaguely recall. Yeah and i'm just wondering now. It doesn't seem that far off base. You know well what they actually did. Do as what. I understand is that some of the former walmart's not current operating walmart's but the same store storefronts that had house walmarts in the past had been taken over by the federal government and turned into interment camps for immigrants. So that actually has come true right right. Yeah we had. We had one here. That was a former walmart. They moved out of in. We never had anybody move in but there was constantly working done into in and nobody ever seemed to know what was going on in their well. Now you're calling from new mexico. I think it was yesterday or the day before. We reported that Several i think as many as a dozen new mexico big box stores grocery stores and walmart's included have been shut down in the state is any of that near you. They're elegant is a brother large city or at least told that we're yeah we're down south that's up north where all the communists are so. You can still buy groceries. Oh that's right. Allegory is a bit south right. You're you're right near. what is it. The dosa mountains right. We're fifty miles away does so the white sands missile range if memory serves is right there. Yep that that. And that's where i work. So yeah we're we're not there by up there up north is we're all mld horta's so any other thoughts you wanna share tonight bill. That was just observation. Thanks for the call man. I appreciate hearing from you. Toll free number open at eight fifty five four fifty free like freedom. That's eight five five. Four five zero three seven three three. Let's talk to robert in charleston south carolina robert. You're listening to wto go ahead. Yes hi. I just wanted to say that i thought in germany nauseam called the time and the in the eleventh grade. Read a book. Called fahrenheit four fifty one and fahrenheit four fifty one instead of the firemen coming over to put out fires they came over to start fires mostly start fires books and things like that right so the children they they learned how to how to read a piece of material the script of some kind and to just read between the lines and saying to see what was really meant to see how they were being manipulated slowly but surely because actually when the nazis i got started it was a slow process doctrine nation of the whole society. It didn't go. They immediately because people have to will. Yeah you can't go from freedom to tyranny overnight it's a process it's a process of indoctrination of Getting people used to being told what to do. A million paper cuts yeah The government goons just blind blindly following their lead. It has been on multigenerational approach and it's been wildly successful by all evidence. I mean look at what people are willing to do. The same thing in germany because when the when the boys young men went to russia in moscow when they when they finally got their feud actually did get their their their their voice. If we get the newspaper the the people newspapers for young for young men and read the newspapers. You don't really anyway any real guys. You know what's happening back. In germany and the russian bob loose took place and they would see her taking all this material and believing everything and the russian russian brushing women's set you another russian woman and look at how they believe will russians. Were houston not believe anything since nineteen th seventeen when it comes to over there. They had to learn how to read between the lines as well like when the soviet union put something in the newspaper they will pick it a little village of siberia place in report about something happening village. It was really great what they were doing really covering up for something that wasn't great at all and the russians where we know that they knew that there was something going on particularly quote. Which is well. Yeah if if people have been a used to being lied to by the state and they will get a little bit more suspicious but unfortunately the number of times the state has been caught in malfeasance and dishonesty and straight up. Murder doesn't seem to have dissuaded. Most americans from believing everything they're told by them. Thank you robert. Nfl and if you take any business any government business that you know is in business for you. Know the the motive of prophet ready. Establish something to employ people and make a profit themselves and they have that kind of tracker track record. Oh my gosh. they'd be out of business in a second. So there's no business that can survive as long as the state has with as much you know. Greed malfeasance horrifying daf garage murder. All that kind of stuff. It would not be in business for more than ten minutes sometimes. A business owner. Who makes an honest mistake. Goes out of business because some people are just that unforgiving but you know americans are so docile and considering the revolutionary past that america has had and it really has coasted on the freedoms that were attained by that revolution in the past for quite a long time and the people of america have literally gotten fat and happy. And they've got their bread and their circuses to keep them quite distracted and they seem to be completely content with just being told what to do. Wear a mask. Don't go outside when it's to a point that they're asking for it. Which is will tell us what to do yes. We don't know what to do. Mr government the quote on that. I wanted to bring up earlier. I'd forgotten to to share it but it's worth bringing up in that henry. David thoreau who was in a jailhouse when he was asked a question about why he is there and he said that in an unjust society. The only place for a just man is prison now. That's not a positive quote. Not a quote that i that i read to uplift anyone. It's just the truth. You know if you think that we're going to get through this by being obedient disobey now are mistaken. The toll free numbers eight fifty four fifty free like freedom. That's eight five five four five zero three seven three three. Unfortunately americans are just too complacent. And i don't know what can we say when we're locked down. 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Let's go first though to maggie. She's calling us from Pennsylvania listening to me. Fm go ahead monkey and talking to while ago about wearing masks and not wearing masks. Yeah we do have a virus. that's raging. Yeah do you know places. Would you conduct pennsylvania. I don't know our government's out of control here. Well i don't want to go anywhere where there's an out of control government. It's bad enough here in new hampshire where there's a bunch of thugs around threatening local business owners but you know when you say. The virus raging now. That is a term that i've heard on mainstream media but i do not see it in real life. How many people do you know who are sick. I don't really would you counsel you call raging volunteer. There was four volunteer but they didn't get it from where i work. They got because they all went to the same church. Where do you volunteer Would you like to know. I mean you don't have to tell me but i did ask you. Yeah okay i could tell you. I volunteer for the franklin county. Republican party helped run the gop. Okay so a few few republicans. You say had the copa. Yeah a lot of people were coming in. We'd never got sick. Nobody got sick came in. We worked there. Nobody gets sick but you said you knew for people who came. But they they they did work there But they quarantined themselves because they went to church and they got it at a church. Okay church down because people were getting so sick but we didn't need them die. no they got well. I wouldn't. i'm not gonna call that. Raging well and i also don't know i shouldn't have used. That's mainstream media heightened viruses have demeanor one thing when dansk you'd if you knew about the math i saw one time where children and adults are getting infant taegu stores around their mouth and staff infections. And you're not. Yep i've seen the people developing. I really bad acne. Down real quick. Didn't they. because what town. I'm sorry these people. I say east that one time on the news and then the news people hurry up and closed it down. They don't want people to know that you mean like a report about people. Getting complications from masks pitchers children with encrusted. Infant taegu around the mouth infection up. Not it's not news because all the time to people right like this. These aren't uncommon conditions for people that wear a mask eight hours a day or whatever i mean i can't even imagine it. I the only time. I've ever worn one of these. Things is into the bank. Where i cannot do anything else if i want to send a wire transfer so i have to do it and i don't like doing it for t for twenty minutes and so what i'll do is i'll only put it over my mouth and breathe through my nose and they don't say for grocery now. Well you don't have to have you. Tried not to have to know go early when they first open. Well there's crowd of people. And i won't wear a mask i i'm not gonna do what what i'm told. If they don't want me in their business they can tell me that they don't want me in their business. And i will say i have a medical exemption and if they still tell me that they would like me to leave all turnaround and i'll walk walkout. I'll find somebody that does want my business maggie. Thanks for the call tonight. I appreciate hearing from you ended in there are. There's a group of people in our community within the libertarian community. Who started out by wearing these masks. And then they decided at some point that they were going to stop and they were so glad that they did. They were so glad because it is an empowering thing to to just go ahead and be yourself and not wear this mask out and about it does set an example for other people. Because if you do wear the mask. You're contributing to the sort of the problem. You're contributing to the zeitgeist of obedience and compliance. You are obeying. Yeah and that's not good. If you want people to wake up if you want people to be encouraged to these masks you have to set the example and that that means being the only person in a grocery store or the home depot or wherever without a mask on. That's what it means and that means that people are going to glare at you. It might mean somebody will say something to you well and to me. It seems that needs to grow if any of this is ever going. And there's a whole slew of people that were saying and thinking things like. Oh well this will all be over wants to the election's over the selection came and went. Oh no no no. It's not officially end with the way the more weeks day voting right has gone and now it's still around and in fact it's going to get worse there's going to be more mandates in a the time to disobey is now and well it might even be pastime but there's no time like the present for you to start. Let me make another recommendation. Not only are you correct. Captain that people need to disobey just and it's it's a small thing that just not wear the mask that's not a big deal but i guess in some places it is a deal right like because there are probably some cops that will take you or threaten you or whatever in some cities in which case i would suggest that you make a strategic retreat if you are of a libertarian mindset. If you're just pro if you're just anti mask but also pro government you can stay right where you are but if you are anti-state if you are pro freedom if you believe in liberty if you believe in the non aggression principle and freedom then you need to get out of wherever the hell you are and come to new hampshire. You need to get together with other people of a like mind. It's never been more important. It is now an act. it's been important the whole time but people have been complacent because well life goes on and life is busy and it's easy to get distracted and you know we all have our responsibility down roots friends and families and business. And you know everybody's got roots where they are and it's hard i get it. It's hard to pick up and leave. But at some point you have to admit you've been bested and that the state has won and that it's not turning around and that The harder you work. It doesn't make any difference. Because you know the libertarian. Candidates can't get more than two percent. Your friends still laugh at you when you talk about freedom in fact now your friends hate you. If you don't wanna wear a mask are they really even your friends anymore Some people have lost friends and lost families over all of this so now it may be a little easier than before to pick up your life and make the move because if your reason for staying somewhere was oh my family or oh my friends or oh my career. Well that's changed for a lot of people this year. So is it now just pure object at rest stays at rest pure action that is stopping you well and we know a lot. More people are working from home these days. So your job is remote qualify. We're likely you are remote qualified today. That's correct so start thinking about that real hard and then start taking action towards making it a possibility of making a something that you're planning on doing because how else can you ever possibly expect freedom to win. If we don't concentrate our efforts in one place. I mean as much as i'd like to believe there's going to be some magical. 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Eight fifty five four hundred fifty free like freedom. That's eight five. Four five zero three seven three three. We also have the matrix chat where people have very strong opinions orpheus. And they're not they're not afraid to share them but sadly they don't call in very often they really ought to because they've got some interesting things to say they've got some good counter arguments to some of the things that we say here on the air. It's in the captain in the studio dough. Forget you can join us online and you can join us on that matrix chat server. Just go to chat dot l. dot. Fm there are a lot of trolls in there. But if you feel like somebody you can use the ignore feature and it works pretty well. They are entertaining. I think they're entertaining. I really enjoy them. They gave me a hard time. But i don't mind it's kind of fun. So says kyle in their says moved to new hampshire were. Libertarians are praising the governor's restrictions and the mask mandate l. o. l. I don't know any of that are doing that. But that's because you and i aren't on social media. I don't think very much. I've seen the one of our other. Chatters the real the real. Chris i don't know why can't pronounce his name. The real crispy. Kale well in our chat. Room has posted some of social media posts from some of these new hampshire libertarians. That they're not in favor. I don't think per se of the mandates but they are in favor of masks. I mean i do. I know some people that you know. As soon as the mass came around they were mass. Donner's they went ahead and and and they probably are still wearing. I haven't seen the couple of those people that that i know personally or at least have met you mean from around here area. I'm thinking of a particular host or to. Some of them were florida. A some of them started that way. But don't do it now. Yeah so. I think it also depends on their social circle so when we went to the scene that too and that's really actually quite heartwarming to see somebody who was like oh and then they read up and they do their own research and they do they. Take the nascar this. Yep that's what happened I mean my roommate was that way and he was. I remember in the beginning. He was like spraying down. The door handles in the studio. He'd like he'd lysol every hour. Run around with the spray thing a believer. Whatever because you know he knew. I didn't care about it and it's like hey it's my house man. I'm gonna have people over if at bugs you well you know you gotta do what you gotta do. You remember when germaphobe used to be considered like a mental disease. Yeah now it's now it's normal. Yeah let's go to laura in. Can we can come back to this topic. But let's go to laura in kansas listening to k. i n. a. in salona. Go ahead laura. Hey guys i've been a lifelong libertarian. I grew up listening to tony. Nathan in oregon. And yeah but had. I just got with it well. Hour shifts taking care of covid patient against the government mandate. I beg people. It's wearing a mask is better than being on a vape both thermo or a bypass machine force new to breathe Obviously as a nurse you're gonna see the worst of the worst right. So i see these people and then i have to go home after i've been exposed to this for twelve hours and stay away from my my elderly mother who got heart condition and and she's high risk and i see way from my eighty two year old father-in-law who has nobody else to check on him. Every day. they still lives at home on his own and he's only got me. I'm begging people. I don't care. I don't want the government forcing it but just for the safety of those we love where the bloody mask and wash your hands. I can appreciate where you're coming from. That sounds really frustrating. But i would rather take my risks in life and actually enjoy my life talking about that. i think. I hope you'll make your nurses last happy. Nurses take better care. I'm sure well. I think the the bit about the washing the hands. I mean i have witnessed enough will call it the general public to know that human beings whether or not they're wearing masks are dirty people right. I had i had an occasion to go to a place that served alcohol not too long ago and Folks were masked up except for some of us. I went to the bathroom and for the men's room. They've urinals a couple of next to each other whatever. And so. I go in and i'm taking care of my business guy next to me mask on while he's in there doesn't wash his hands and leaves after he's done you know what i mean. And he's wearing the mask now. Okay so like i. Honestly don't think like if people want to make their own informed decisions about wearing a mask they should do so if they see some science or if they're in a profession like you are and they wanna make their own decision about wearing a mask. I'm not going to deny anybody wearing a mask. I'm not gonna force people not going to go the opposite way and force people to take off buddy. I just wanted to ask them to. But what if it's actually making things worse. Laura i mean in in our is not here talk about this. But she was in a bar the other night observing very similar things to you captain and the people constantly touching touching readjusted readjusting touching touching. And of course they're touching everything else right because they're not washing their hands every time they touched the mask. They're not even thinking about it when they touch the mask. It's just a constant readjusting and a constant touching everything else so what that results in is people touching constantly the explanations from their body because it's sitting there in that mask so they're touching it constantly and then touching everything else whereas normally you wouldn't be touching your face as often so therefore more you know spittle and the that stuff is getting all over everything so if you are truly believing that this is a problem. People getting their germs everywhere. Then it's now probably ten times or you know fifty times worse than it's ever been because people are wearing masks obediently but they sure as hell aren't keeping their hands away from their face so could that possibly make this even worse. Laura wouldn't that possibly lead to more infections. Does they otherwise on that. The doctor the doctors that i work around. They agree with me. The just one. The single layer fabric mass are basically useless. It's like trying to stop a swarm of mosquitoes win a chain link fence right. They the the difference is the size difference between the virus and cotton. We've read and people complain while i can't breathe. Well it's actually the humidity that makes it. Feel stifling your two levels are actually still reading well. Above ninety percent which is normal for both people Now me. I a filter mask. I keep it in my car. I leave it in the sun for the uv. to disinfect. it regularly. I just hanging from my rear view when i get home and phase right there and gets disinfected by the sun. But you didn't really address my question about the idea that people are constantly now teaching the mask which has all over it. The particles from their normal. What's what i wanna perch abilities or something like that And they really just need to stop it. Whether or not. And i know it's difficult. They're not going to learn that people are absent minded. They're not professionals like you. They don't know how to train to do it. Yeah they don't know how to think about those sorts of things they've just been told where the mask when you go and do everything and so they do and then so therefore that's all they're doing they don't know the rest of it and they're never going to learn the rest of it. These people are average folks. They've got other things on their mind. They're thinking about their relationship. They're thinking about their job. They're thinking about all kinds of other things besides or hitting on the girl at the bar or whatever thinking of everything else except for what. They're doing with their Their hands so. I think that that is making things worse. The fact that they're you know they're going to be touching everything after now touching the explanations from From their mouth. That's constantly what they're doing. So all of this is just pure obedience training to suggest. We reduced the numbers. That i'm not worried about honestly so i don't think we can learn and i say that because we covered this topic here on free talk live About a week or so ago The military we call it the extreme marine quarantine. On my way home. I listen to knx on my way to it did. Nothing did nothing to reduce the rate of transmission. And when you say it you mean. Totals like lockdown massive physicians constantly. Sanitize the bathroom after every use every every mass if somebody tested positive for code they were quarantined outside of the rest of the military right but the rate of transmission state. Exactly the same no matter what was tried and this is the most obedient study that has been done to data and so pointless. Yeah there. there's nothing you can do. Everybody's going to get it. You have a ninety nine percent or better right rate of survival on this thing you know. Is it going to cause some consternation amongst the medical community perhaps but they already sent out the emergency folks to put up all the emergency medical facilities and they took him down and they went home backed up and went home. Let it run. Its course like every other virus that we've ever encountered and let the chips fall where they may laura thank you. I and i'm sorry that you to deal with that stuff. You know jobs are hard. Thank you. I appreciate it. Feel free to philipson on their thoughts. You have in the future. It's always nice to hear from professionals. Something's eight fifty five four fifty free like freedom. That's eight five five four five zero three seven three three. You can bring up what you want. We got a full hour ago. Share your thoughts with us on the radio. This is free. Talk live remember when you first heard about bitcoin. How long did it take you to realize this little project which soon change the world. You kinda wish you got involved sooner. 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She wants to persuade people to use masks even though she did admit that people don't use them right so and then she further said that the mask that most people are using is completely ineffectual ultimately. What's the point I just say you know what. I'd rather have the risks and the consequences that may be associated with those risks in life and how freedom some people think driving a motor vehicle is very dangerous and life threatening dangerous. You're kidding me great. Don't drive on. Yeah know people who won't drive because they are afraid to drive. A car i know is way more dangerous. I mean you know the odds if you if you get bad car wreck that you're going to survive or probably a lot lower than you surviving kovin but but these people certainly. Aren't there campaigning for everybody to stop driving. No exactly well. Let's go onto because we get a life without risk to me is not a life worth living and again. It's about choice so ller. I support your choice to wear masks. Absolutely you know you've been trained in the medical industry for what to do and how to do it. So and you sound like a reasonable intelligent persons. Please go ahead and proceed as you see fit. And that's how everybody should proceed how they see fit. But let's go on here and talk to you with your calls and thoughts i up. He is tim in chattanooga tennessee. Listening to w. W go ahead. Tim i their love. Your program and i love freedom. Thanks to my family fought at bunker hill at lexington and concord and At the trenton battle in new jersey. And i love my freedom that my family gave us and Mask over the years. I have a lot of construction work and you know what happens when you pull your mask off right around your nose. There's always black stuff and stuff. They got in through the mask. They never keep everything out So people have this thing that those masks really gonna help you but they really don't It's all show what's that it's all for show. It's a big issue. It's kind of like they used to call the tsa security theater in that. It wasn't really catching the bombs. And the you know the knives and the guns but it was there and it made people think that they were safe. Yeah i i feel like the majority of population is gas lighting everybody else. Yeah what i do. I actually just use the regular t shirt that i have cotton t shirt. I folded over a few times wrapped around my face. If i need to go somewhere where there's a lot of people and that that actually keep steph eh. You're out of your nose. But the thing about is i notice. People always touching doorknobs touching when. You're the post office. They don't care about the open. The door for the mail and everything. And i carry a clorox hand. Wipe with me. What i do. I take a ziplock bag. And i take clocks. Wife's and put him in that bag and keep in my back pocket so whenever i'm going somewhere I don't touch everything now. Germophobic prior to kovin. No no no. But i see people touching everything and if you keep touching everything there touching Something's going to spread but even like tell the twenty four people just put their fingers on everything So the clorox wipes helps you. When i opened the door. I don't touch the door handle. I just Open it with that. clark's wipe. My wife is disabled at home. And i don't want to bring anything home sir. I see i coming from there. Tim thank you for the call tonight at definitely appreciate it. The toll free numbers eight fifty. Five four fifty free i. I've never understood the germaphobe. I don't get it to me. I mean i guess if your wife is i get it but you know if your wife is like particularly i guess likely to catch something or likely to die if she catches something. I could understand the extra caution but in my world. It's like you know what if i come down with something. Okay yeah i feel like the best chance of reducing. you know. The spread of this thing happened it. It's gone and there's no longer a best chance right so even if the government was right about the two weeks right and everybody locked out. That was the best humankind was going to be able to do. Was that first two weeks when everybody was freshly afraid of what was going to happen right and so a majority of people complied and a bunch of businesses. Shut down and we destroyed economies around the globe and that was the best we were gonna get and now the evidence seems to point to that made no difference in the rate of transmission at aw did destroy lives and it did destroy businesses and it did destroy freedom in families and and there's a huge and all that kind of stuff and so now of course because they didn't work. The government's reaction is locked down to time lockdown harder in three d. Son of lockdown. All right let's go starring in. We got diane. She's in michigan diane. You're on free talk live. Hi guys I i was motivated to call in. Because i heard that nurse trying to spread fear among your listeners send i value. I value free. Talk live because they don't hear any of that usually with you or your Your your your listeners. And i have had code. And i m over seventy and it's not that bad if medical science hasn't wiped out your immune system by giving you their drugs It it really. I advised people to if they're that scared. Especially if they're younger younger than me. And they don't have any or not on any medical situations destr- get it get it over with It doesn't last very long. it's not bad. did you have to go to a hospital. No this was Back in march and nobody can do anything and I didn't go to a hospital but later on when i Heard about what the symptoms were. I went oh that was definitely what i had And i got it. I got it from a girl who had just got back from thailand into sick in february. And i went. Oh great two weeks. I'm going to get it. And i just like clockwork. Got it in two weeks. And it's like. I said i have really bad lungs to hay fever and if i were mask i start getting dizzy and like feeling like i'm gonna fall over but it really doesn't. It really was not a horrible thing. Oh you're seventy years old. I'm sorry you said you were seventy years old. Not horrible over seventy. I really appreciate you sharing your experience. Greatest shape but The thing that made me feel best was going to the gym and working out. And then they closed. The gym was terrible. That's one of the worst things. i mean. The whole idea that people are now being told and in certain places are not allowed to walk their dog. That happened in south australia for instance and just all these ridiculous restrictions on people you know. Well it's really i mean. I'm i live in michigan with one of the worst governors in the universe. Christmas who by the way has been nominated for person of the year by time magazine with cuomo and for five months this year i lived in new york with the other worst governor. I didn't live in california except in february so But i have to say that. If cohen were real which. I don't believe it's really that bad If it were really terrible there would be no thousands of homeless people on the streets of new york eating off the sidewalks and pooping the bushes. His i've seen him. You know 'cause they don't have anywhere to poop anymore now that you know. They've closed everything. It's harder than ever to find an open public restroom very hard very hard. And and you and you just you know if if we you know now in michigan now that they've locked down in treated us like babies they have they have all these things. Oh we have a hotline in case you're depressed call. The state will help you. You know now that you know people depressions way up through sides their way up. Now they're gonna they're gonna talk to you and make you feel better you know. Now they're saying oh you should go outside and get some sun while you're not supposed to go anywhere it's all it doesn't none of it adds up if you've got a brain wendy diane. Thanks for sharing your experience with us tonight. I really appreciate hearing from well. She has a point about the homeless to. I'm still rather well connected to the seattle area. Having lived there for a couple of decades. You know what i don't hear. Oh my gosh. Every time i walked by all of the homeless. They're all sick. I don't hear that at all in fact Seattle's get a huge homeless situation. And the folks that i know that live. There haven't mentioned them at all still. They're still there care. Ernie they're not wearing masks etcetera bathed. They certainly haven't washed their hands. Sport doing up here. Eight fifty five four fifty free like freedom. it's freetalklive pounds pounds of for our hairballs have hairballs birkat mama. She's ten years old. Has dandruff and oily coat. I do cats and daisy. 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There are some doctors who are totally on the coverted fear bandwagon but others are saying that this is nowhere near as bad as they are saying. It is and that it isn't something to be afraid of. So you know which doctors do you believe whatever you want. If you're in the hospital and in a dire situation they treat you with something by most doctors. I that is not even being. It's like political to talk about ventilators that to me is made and i just. I guess you cannot accept it. You don't have to accept being on the ventilator. Most people don't even know that true. Most people go to the hospital because they are looking to get guidance and be told what the right thing to do is and they're going to get an opinion from another human being and those that's why they have second opinions right because one opinion may not be the right one or may not be the right one for you me of anything trying to convince you. Roseanne a talk show where we actually talked to the audience primarily so the whole point of having. The conversation isn't as much to convince the collar as it is to have the audience understand what we're trying to say. Thank you for the call tonight. I appreciate hearing from you. Let's go to dave. He's in michigan. You're on free talk. Live hello dave. Hey thanks for taking the call gentlemen. It's interesting conversation. Listen i'm reporting live from. Jackson is a denison living under the existing under that led fisted heavy handed. Our alumni sprints. Highly esteemed madam governor whitman. What do i hear about kerr. She's gonna be a candidate for times woman of the year. I thought that was reserved for mao. Tse tung kim jong hoon putin and what's his name over there communist chain of what's his thing. Yeah i feel like. She hasn't bombed enough people to earn wait. No i'm thinking of the nobel prize. Sorry my bed now. They've got there was a list here. I've got let's see pulling up on new york post dr fauci also in the running according to the post here and Alexandria ocasio cortez. Sorry alexandria ocasio just want to and andrew cuomo and others. I'm sure in one time in my life thought that time you know you know. I think they would put tight. Astronauts had landed on the moon on the cover or the or the person of the year but citizens another year. Boris johnson is in there. That's the guy from the british government. Apparently thing is. They don't show you a full list when you go to time magazine they show you one person at a time and then they want you to vote yes or no and then after all after you vote three or four times. They want you to register for their website. So it's a trap. Of course any other comments go ahead money. I just was gonna say that you know you talked about the economics. I talked early on back in march. What is gonna be the ripple effect this that. We don't even have any real idea how deeply this is going to. All these crackdowns are going to strike. I mean there was a lot of people who lost their businesses earlier this year during the first crackdown and now they're doing it again and so those few businesses that were just hanging on by a thread. They're probably going to be going under next. I mean what portion of businesses will still exist come march so after a full year of this. I think we're going to be pretty devastated. Thank you dave for the call. I wish i was wrong about that. Folks have been forced to not evict people if you're a landlord and you have a rental property you've been forced not to evict people if they don't pay mortgage companies have been doing a something similar to what you can do with student loans. And they've been granting a forbearance so if you're you know somehow that lose your job or something you know and not all mortgage companies are doing this and not all. It doesn't apply to everybody but they do something called the forebearance. If you know you cry to them it'd be like whatever right and so at some point that's all gonna come to an end right here. At some point people are gonna start. Losing their apartments losing their homes And then what. I don't know you know the the markets are gonna crash. Hey ever crashed. Our the landlords gonna pay property taxes. Because if you don't have tenants paying the rent and you don't have a huge bank account somewhere because a lot of a lot of landlords they're not living large. I mean it's a it's not. A big moneymaker run real estate right like you can maybe get some of your bills paid but you to be like raking in the dough. The margins are pretty slim. Yeah and especially something goes wrong at the house unit. 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Free talk. live time for you if you join us. The toll free numbers eight fifty five four hundred fifty free like freedom. That's eight five five four five zero three seven three three so some well. It's not really good news but it is news about a heroic business owner. That's stood up for himself. His name is adam and he owns adamson barbecue in ontario province in canada. And the bad news is he's been arrested. The bad news is they've closed his business. The good news is the reason why he was arrested was because he refused to allow them to close his business yes and he went in there and literally broke in to his what he thought was his business. We reported on this a little bit earlier in the show tonight when early this week. I think it was tuesday. The government goons came in people were there eating in his business now. In toronto they have prohibited people from eating inside. Or i think even outside restaurants hit them from los angeles. Also there's a whole story about them cracking down and they're now prohibiting outdoor eating as well So you know before you think. This can't happen here. It's absolutely is how it just happens to be the stories from toronto and yeah business owners in the united states are being targeted. They're being finally Jim owners down in new jersey. They had been locked out of their own business. They broke into their own business. They were arrested Contempt of court etcetera. So all this stuff will happen near you if business owners have the balls that this guy does and unfortunately that's what it's going to take. We were talking about the with the throw quote earlier that the only place for a just man in an unjust society is in prison. That's literally what it has to take. That people have to be willing to put it on the line and this guy is his name. Is kelly his barbecue restaurant. Adamson barbecue in toba coke canada in ontario province Let me just play this video here from city news toronto. Obviously you're only going to hear the audio tracks or on the radio but will tell you what's going on as this goes on this. Tina yes donny. Reporting on the scene good evening. It was another chaotic day at adamson barbecue in togo this is the third day. The owner Toabacco skelly vowed to defy lockdown orders and open for indoor dining but today police changed the locks on him before he could enter and during the lunch hour. He was arrested during the lunch hour. Now you're hearing a lot of a lot of crowd noise here. And that's because there's a large number of people outside of this man's restaurant as what appears to be at least four if not five police officers escorting the owner of adamson barbecue of the premises until from here are the cops masked i see a variety or mass. I see a variety of masked and unmasked in the show. All of the police are masked in this case around it. by his supporters. There was a big smile on kelly's face as he was handcuffed and taken away by police. A scuffle breaking out after one of skelly. Supporters attempted to push police off of him. Nice yeah i was just gonna say if only all his supporters would just sort of jump in and pull these other human beings off of them. Wouldn't that be interesting. you know. that's something that i know Co host nobody has been talking about is having a group of like cell four one one people people who can respond to call the police harassing somebody and then just ending that situation not not by killing the cops by just stopping them. Yeah well and they used to be back in the day when the tax man would come and try and take somebody's property from a community the rest of the community would just prevent it from happening. Yeah wouldn't that be nice. Unfortunately again it's scary right like those cops could shoot you you. I mean there are risks. There's less of them than there are of everybody else. That's true but yeah. If a humongous crowd came up to the police and you know physically removed them from arresting. This guy had been interesting but in this case it was just one dude was arrested today. Here's the moment that led to scalise arrest and he is kicking in go. Go push cost. Police he broke into the restaurant and damage to the locks. He gets into his restaurant and the the the new story that i read said that the police had like let him in one door like in the back to to get something like he had some sort of reason or whatever and they sort of let him in the back end of the place maybe it was into the freezer the kitchen or something like that and then he literally kicks in an inside wall gets himself back into the service area of the restaurant and then proceeds to kick down the front door from the inside bus through this front door and into the crowd of people that is outside of the front door and of course there's an officer standing right by the front door at this point officers could take him in for trespassing on his own business. Trespassing after the owner of adamson barbecue was taken away. The crowd grew even larger right. So now this reminds me of you. Were talking about captain of like standing in the way and pulling somebody away from the police now in keene a decade ago during the der der jays victimless crime. Spree days victimless crime. Spree dot com. You can watch the movie their documentary film and it's fantastic. I did stand in front of a police. Cruiser and our co host. Nobody in a couple of other activists in keene area. We stood in front of and behind so four of us to prove prohibit the cruiser from taking the person they were arresting off the premises. They'd already arrested her. And you know we weren't going to physically stop the police by attacking them with you know title. Yeah but the idea was to make their life more difficult to make their job more difficult yet in the way right if we had a crowd of people now in our case we knew we were going to be arrested for this and there were other officers on hand. Who who did that. And it didn't delay them for very long but if we had this number of people i mean. There's hundreds of people out in front of this restaurant. Those people could have surrounded that police cruiser and they never would have been able to go anywhere if they'd want it to so there are definitely things that large numbers of people can do. That are entirely peaceful inviolate tonight can completely flummoxed the polices plans supporters with anti mask and anti locked down sentiments yelling absurdities like the pandemic isn't real nice editorializing there by this news reporter on stage setup with loudspeakers in the parking lot. A far cry from simply supporting a small business. I mean it's just ridiculous that people think that they're making this kind of stuff up sad to see and i mean this is canada post interview. The one guy who's there who's against the protest they don't talk to any of the supporters going on so arrived early this morning to change the locks on the doors. After skelly vowed to reopen to indoor dining for the third day the night was already facing. Didn't deter him. They include the footage here of the cops in the middle of the night getting inside this business and changing the locks leading indoor dining rules pulling illegal gatherings and operating business without a license. He's facing multiple charges. Did you hear that. I mean. I've been pausing here. I want to jump back a little bit. Didn't deter him. They include violating indoor dining rules holding illegal gatherings and operating a business without a license. Those are just three. He initially face nine different charges. That was i believe before. He came to break back into his business. So that's the level of dedication that if business owners if five percent of business owners have that level of dedication to their craft to serving their customers because they obviously want eat their turn they're hungry. They're surrounding this place we went barbecue. Barbecue is delicious. No man did you see the people there that were wearing masks with children and so forth can be sure of that all day. Despite efforts to get inside story the rest of the story they interview other local business owners and they are way less. Let's say pushy. Way less determined than this particular guy. It's a sad state of affairs when government agents can come in and shut down your business for well business. that's the way it is though and There is some good news. As i said a gofundme campaign has raised more than two hundred and fifty thousand dollars and the original goal for the campaign was ten thousand ice. So it's blown through that We'll get back to this story. There's a little bit more care and your calls and thoughts are welcome our number here. Eight fifty five four hundred fifty free like freedom. That's eight five five four five zero three seven three three but of course walmart is open. We'll probably mcdonald's open you can go in there. 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So we've been kind of covering this throughout the show here tonight Initially government gangsters came in to his business while he was open in defiance of the toronto government goons telling him not to not. You know they don't allow anybody to indoor dining apparently and toronto as many cities in the united states are doing now. But this guy was like you know what my customers are hungry. They wanna eat inside. I want to let him so he opened up. They came in. There were hundreds of people that were supporting him in this and the cops came in. They looked around. They left and then they came back and they charged him with various different. So-called times running his business when people feel like oh well that happened over there. Well over there is just kind of over here right. It's still your neighbor. It's still a fellow. Human being is still somebody else on this planet who's really harming no other person right. He's not damaging anybody's property he's not damaging any other human being right but people could get sick captain from eating delicious barbecue. It could ever have could get sick eating the canned goods off the shelf at walmart. Does easel shirker. A gofundme campaign now is boasting as i mentioned over. Two hundred fifty thousand dollars and that's great news quote adamant his family will sleep better tonight because of your generosity said the organizer of the fundraiser. But they face a tough road ahead and battling government so keep that support coming. This is gonna be one hell of a fight monumental from premier doug ford to mayor john torrey doug ford now longtime listeners will remember his brother rob ford. The former mayor of toronto was caught smoking cocaine on video several years ago before he ended up dying of a heart attack or something like that he was severely overweight. Grandma so yeah now. His brother is the mayor. Apparently and or the premier whatever the hell that is and then there's mayor's different different role skelly is not up. This are adam. The owner's name. He is up against not just the system that has decided the best way to fight. Cove in nineteen is to lockdown toronto but the city and provinces most powerful politicians as well his barbecue revolt odyssey began when he offered in restaurant dining his queen elizabeth boulevard restaurant tuesday and reached maximum attention thursday with police surrounding the business and hundreds of protesters. It'll be interesting to add up the tax payers bill for the dozens of police officers on the scene and a dozen police horses. Meanwhile skelly spent the night in a jail cell in toronto police eleven division after being charged with obstructing justice trespassing and other counts related to his decision to enter his restaurant that had its locked changed by the order of the city health statutes and this was after he'd already been charged with other things before being arrested coming back in his rest right skelly who has at least two to other locations in the. I think that's greater. Toronto area has been very public in his defiance of the latest. Twenty eight day provincial lockdown order to help curb the current current spike of covid nineteen. He said on thursday quote. I didn't think of these. These lockdowns continued. My restaurant would survive the winter. And i'm hoping i can help encourage other small businesses facing the same fate to stand up as well. Yes bravo bravo. I think amazing. And unfortunately that's what it's going to come down to because as we've been covering over and over again business owners. They didn't get into business to do activism. But if it comes to you losing your business you better do it at that point. Have nothing else to lose. If they're going to kill your business says. He says he didn't think his business could make it through the winter. So this was his last ditch attempt to serve his customers and make a statement and make a stand. He didn't think he was going to survive the winter. So that means your entire investment and it is not cheap to start a restaurant. Get your vent hood. Install the two hundred thousand dollars system and all this stuff all these regulation of bribe your inspector pay the inspectors down the drain. It's all gone because you didn't stand up and try something well. Are they going to put you in jail. Yeah they probably will but you're gonna be losing your business anyway. So what does it make a difference whether you're sitting in a jail cell or not gonna pay your rent if you lose your business. I really like that the patrons his customers were there yes. They backed him now. I mean they could have backed a little harder in my opinion but whatever it something the that they were there and they were backing him. I mean some of this is going to fall on the customers of these businesses these businesses when they are threatened by goons with gun. They can't do it alone they need. You can't do it alone. they're gonna need your help so if there's a place that you like to shop or you used to like to shop because you don't go there anymore because they're closer or whatever but if there's a place that does something like this it's on you as a customer of this place to go and support that person's business and to be able to do it at a moment's notice as well because you know you can you can and of course a lot of people out of work anyway. So you got time. He's got legal battles battles on this front ahead but first he has to get out of jail and that effort is starting with securing a lawyer for his bail hearing which apparently i believe he made shelley did have a high profile and highly skilled attorneys on site. For two days offering legal advice that ultimately didn't take neither lawyer has been retained and are not involved with the process going forward sources say kelly has consulted with other council and perhaps at his court appearance one will be presented as his actual lawyer. Well the problem with lawyers. They all have an allegiance to the court. They do so a lot of lawyers are going to tell you. Oh well you know you don't want to fight this like you wanna make sure you do what you're told and jump through in you know donald your i's and cross all your ts but that's not going to. That's not going to work now. If he doesn't have time to pull together legal representation in time for his bail hearing which was apparently yesterday in light of the fact so many others charge before the courts are being released because of covid nineteen concerns it would be appropriate practice for him not to be held for the weekend and reunite him with his family including his three-year-old son. But the court will decide. Skelly is not charged with violence and there will be legal arguments ahead of her whether or not he had charter rights to enter his own property or the validity of the emergency order itself. There could be interesting. Groundbreaking legal arguments ahead one thing. He does have a large fund from donors to help with that. 'cause and two hundred and fifty thousand dollars right now at the gofundme according to one of the physi- attorney quote after discussion with adams. Lovely wife tonight. He has been listed as the beneficiary on the withdrawal portion of this campaign. Once he accepts the invitation he will have to complete and exclusive access to the funds into the full donor list. That's actually good right. Because not only is he have the money but he's also got a list of all the people that gave him that money so in addition to his already fanatical following can be garnering a real movement. Here well i'm a bit heart warmed heartened by the outpouring of the donations. That tells me that there are a lot of people who would support this guy But also they're afraid to put themselves in the way in between him and these thugs and they may or may not be in toronto. These gofundme as can be funded from anywhere. Yes got a credit card you can. You can throw in two if you want but this is also something that business owners need to take to heart as well. Now there's no guarantee that if you stand up that you'll have the same results right. You know like one of the local business owners was. I was telling him about the owner of the salon in dallas early on back in like march or april. She she got like five hundred thousand dollars in her fundraiser. Now she's a pretty blonde lady so you know. Are we gonna do as well as she does. Or as an old guy going to do as well as she probably. Not but then again. This guy isn't the most handsome bloke in the world and He's got half or quarter of a million dollars. It's really all about whether or not it goes viral like this one obviously did and it may not. That's the thing you know. The news media doesn't have any obligation to report on these people and they could if they don't want to report on it then they well like we're talking about the governor's protests last week. Only one news agency in the in the united states but in new hampshire reported on it now. Ap picked up on it later. But they didn't have a reporter on zine remember the quote i'm gonna paraphrase. Journalism is what they don't want you to print or don't want you to hear everything else is just propaganda journals. What they don't want you to here. Yeah real journalism. Oh meaning that. We don't see that right. See we don't see enough of real journalism. What we see is propaganda. Yeah so that's the atom barbecue story as we know it right now if this continues to develop i hope that we will hear about it and we will tell you about it and any other business owners that you know of that are making a stand in fact. I know the owner of keen grade. Who is the one business owner here in keene. Area that you made. Stand one of the few in new hampshire that is Is making a stand. She is actually going to from what i understand she. She's going to the governor's protests well and they've got a bit of a history to fighting. They had to fight to keep their name business when they opened. 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Friday with family at his side japanese is now paying tribute to its former leader saying the world has lost tremendous visionary and an incredible human being roger stern fox news and i'm sales he in principle. This is fox news if you need to hire. You need indeed indeed delivers quality candidates so you can focus on hiring the person who is a good fit claim your seventy five dollars credit for your first post at indeed dot com slash fox terms and conditions apply italy's wine regions offer plenty of variety to pair up. Well with whatever you're eating beautiful so persada from the pena region or sanyo to get every glass of taurasi or a good jan allegations not so time make with beautiful for instance take if you can't visit in person traveled in italy in its popular songs. It's a song about the beauty of the gulf of naples and the beauty of the neapolitan lifestyle. Also emil all my son. America has developed a community of domestic travellers journalist boot joined the ranks of itinerant our viewers campers to see how they make ends meet by travelling the looking for temporary work. It's an incredible culture and a really really resilient creative fiercely independent protective culture the risks and rewards of american nomads and the wind and songs of. It'll just ahead on travel with rick steves. Hey i'm rick steves. I love art and in my new book. Europe's top one hundred masterpieces. I share my favorites with gorgeous photos and vivid descriptions. It's a greatest. Hits sweep through hard history via the finest paintings sculpture and architecture. Ever it's all in europe's top one hundred. Masterpieces aren't for the traveler. It's available now. At rick steves dot com. There's a kind of migration across the united states that we rarely talk about coming up. We'll meet the reporter who joined the ranks of the people who crisscrossed the country and rv's vans and trailers looking for low wage temporary labor as a way to make ends meet. It's the real world story behind the new movie nomad lamp a little later in the hour on today's travel with rick steves to start. I thought we could all use a touch of the simple pleasures of life has enjoyed in italy. A banned from orvieto has fun with the popular songs. People like to request in italy. And just a bit. Let's warm up with a virtual sip of the great types of wine. They've been producing for centuries. Our guide serpent cesco rookie. He's a licensed someone gave from tuscany. End alberto vitale. Specializes in farm and food tours. In the companion region around naples francesco. Alfredo benvenuti one journal nice to have you guys hear clearly operato. Italian wine and vineyards are an important part of the tradition of italy. And you're making your own way now and you've got tour groups that come in and and experienced on. How do you teach an appreciation of italian wine. Well actually i'm just implanted my vineyard only two years ago so we are not yet to the stage of the producing and also having groups arriving bat in the future. I plan to do so and i am not the only one who's starting a new vineyard my region which is companion and Precisely my vineyard is in the area of pina which is close to deny sexually in between avellino benevento and it's process the many young people in companion starting to do again like going back to the land. That family said abandoned for many years when they moved to the cities to work there now. Many people are thinking it's a good idea to restart producing implanting new vineyards but being not a professional of this sector economic implant limited a quantity which is called in italy personal use quantity. I know this sounds something. How many bottles is personal use. It's not in terms about as time surface. You can you can. It's like actually one thousand square meters maximum that quite small the smallest like nine thousand square feet. And how many bottles could you produce you can produce out of that probably Seven hundred eighty eight hundred dollars something sending that depending on the year. Send the quiz enough for you and your friends exactly. That's the idea. There's five counted personal. Use a lot of energy. You're putting into y. You must really love wine. I love wine and those who are actually starting in the same plot which is bigger. I started with olive trees planted one in twenty seven years ago and then told that to wine and olive. Oil is a good combination. That's nice but you work all of this. Put all this energy all this money into that. You make seven hundred bottles. What if the winds not good and you love wine. It'd be a pity to to drink mediocre wind. When you've got great wine orlando well. That's that's a little bit you know of of a challenge and also i'm not making minute may own white and i'm gonna get people didn't make really wind expert. Help i s. i'd love to hear how that goes in. When will you pop open your i. I'm gonna start probably really producing a couple of years from now all right and when we think of italian wine what makes italian wine special compared to french or spanish wine. Well i i will say a french and italian can be comparable in terms of variety and quality and is actually what happens every year. This fighting between italy and france to be the best one for the year and In terms of production quality varieties. The spanish wines are getting better and better. I used to live close spin for a while in the nineties. I was into. We'll go often over the border and drink some good Spanish winds they're improving. But i will not say that there is as much variety and as much quality. They'll be having this to country sill france and as talking italian point of view. There is really a lot of variety like everything else in italy. one is regional specific varieties. Which are with a personality exactly and also in each region. You can go through the different levels of quality for example in my region companion. We have five top winds which are do cg once and most of them white but we have also the totality of choose. I named to you before. Historically we know a lot of table wines a lot of simple wines chianti in spain they would produce a lot of wine but not a lot of fine wine. I think that the trend in the last generation is going to less wind but higher quality. Would you say that startling general it is for sure because chianti used to be this The meaning of a simple wine. Now it's It can be a fine wine. Chianti totally thought. You can have very good countess nowadays and then there's another thing i'm curious about. A government can set a system where there's a few big wine or there's many little little family wine growers from one country to the next. Have you noticed in some countries. There's more little wine growers in some countries. There's only big winegrowers is much more relative weight. they corn on the region for example. Very simple things norton easily three hundred hundred zero. The manny producer. That doesn't make any wine. The justice said the wine to the comparative tuscany. Manny producer probably eighty percent incredibly small twenty percent bigger but all of the people who make grape in tuscany. They also produce wine because they can't sell easily. Their wine is fantastic. So if it's from. Tuscany has an advantage in the market. Es francesco hunky is a licensed so may offers tours of tuscany from his home base in the medieval hill town of volterra. Alfredo cafasso battalion specializes in food tours. And farm visits in the companion region of it. That's the area that surrounds naples and include salerno and mount vesuvius. They're bringing us at tasting of the wines of italy right now on travel with rick steves. We have more with this week. Show notes that. Rick steves dot com slash radio francesco. And i'm just gonna go through the regions and if you could tell me the personality and your favorite wine from that region because every has different personality. Tuscany is maybe the most famous. What what would you say. One of the top lines. And what's special about tuscan wines odor few which future really the top wines of tuscany. End and also italy actually coming from from tuscany. I do like vulgar lot. Which is not so famous that like it is wound up bollettieri. If you pay extra for. Brunello i think has ended brunell low end or not. They are the one chuck. Consider top. wines bulger. It's not really a top wind but some of those are really very very good at. It's really liked. Us and piedmont piedmont is up in the north. And i think a lot of fine wines are piedmont tease francesco. The barrel of bid months is the key angled italian ratto courts. So that's the borana. We see that all all this fantastic grape called nabeel or does the grape nebula near the grapes and the bill. And what does that matter. Where's that from our only from van thal and isn't gland of many grape corvina. Who had been on air on their nahra borne by mistake.

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"Good wine author. Oh totally they have very good winds book for red and whites. I prefer red. So maybe for me. A good santino. For example for teens. Remember that word if you go to a cc totally. That's the best one to have especially to can eat in assisi which is usually zone mushroom. Stratful segmented with that is just perfect. I remember wine and food goo good marriage there. The wind in a zero kilometer way exactly and low wine Perspective carlo petrini teaching to all of us. What is this philosophy. And that's very important. She looking at cheese and prosciutto if it comes from the same region as the wine that's something to look for. I think so now. The province around rome is let co end. There's actually some good wine and lattanzio. Now definitely start to produce fantastic stuff in lingerie tool because they'll saw it as very mineral- so with the mortar technique of inefficacious fantastic until a few years ago. They used to purchase wine. But yeah what about sicily. In the south sicily's the new burgundy new burgundy in particular the aetna aetna june. Is that this volcano. You've got the black soil canines. Actually like i do like. We do not believe that we have some production from our physician. So yeah those ones are really nice and one. It's actually. I prefer to answer to that. We have to be honest. Even if i am from nerve labels and you i do. I do the winds from their better. I have to be honest. This is traveled. Steve's we've been talking wind with wine. Lovers from italy francesco. Grungy and alfredo vitale. Let's close with not only your favorite wine but your favorite wine paired with your favorite food. Okay just like you would have an. No teke i love to go to an na teke and eat drink the wine that is paired with the food that the wine expert has put on small plates. That is a beautiful dinner. And i'd rather spend a lot of money for a glass just a single glass of great wine with the right pairing of food. Alfredo if iming companion family marijn. I will say a beautiful super persada from the region or sanyo together with a glass of taurasi if i am Let's say in umbria. Say a glass of seventeen together with data with mushrooms. I love it. Hello with mushrooms. And tino yes. I wondered listeners to remember this word tino because you don t know. I went crazy when i tasted my first. Southern tino in a nice restaurant in the there was flames. Dancing that is. It is very very good. Oh yeah all right francesco. Well it can say something from a task and it was a really like is for example. Still why aboard. With brunello di montalcino. That's a good opportunity to use the word quarter. Pozzo yes yes. Full-bodied both is more or a good candy. Elegant nut a ton. Nick with a beautiful steak nice for example as the beautiful beef. And don't underestimate chianti doubt some county today. There are fantastic. Alfredo vitale from napoli francesco. Grungy from full tara. Thank you so much for sharing your your your passion and your expertise for italian wine militancy. Thank you thank you in a bit will explore the world of today's nomadic retirees who travel america full-time rv's camper bay but let's linger in italy a while longer for a virtual party complete with some live music and i'll let you in on what scared me off the first time i tried to visit naples as a teenager. It's travel with rick. Steves if the wine in italy makes you feel like singing. Our next guest snow plenty of talian folk tunes and pop standards. You can request from the bad. In fact david. Tories lead singer and guitarist. With a group called bartend he and his bandmates cabriolets donio cardio end. Valero bellocchio came to our travel. With rick steves studio from their home in veto. That's a popular stop for wine lovers in the countryside between rome and tuscany joined us last january test. A few weeks before the worldwide party was put on hold for a while. Gentlemen thanks for being here thank you. I don't think of italy for traditional folk music but of course there is traditional folk music. Oh yes what should we know about folk music in italy folk music like any other aspect of the country is very diverse. in khalid there are schools that are very important especially then polycom. One is the most popular one. So when i go to the naples area sorrento you go to show. What is it called. Determine tele is donna. Yes using a specific Melodic scale called napolitan scale. It's a musical scale. That alternates a couple of notes and It makes the sound a mix between western music and middle eastern music. Because if all of the influences that have come in over southern italy and so we give you a quick example. If you like what's an example of neopolitan i feel. It's a romantic evening. I've got a bottle of local wine and it's Sorrento yes amalfi coast positano. We'll see if you're thinking of another region of italy. What would be represented folk music for example another beautiful region of italy. The has an incredible tradition. Is the area of genoa chink. With era assist. That's up in the north. Yes wes. The school of january is considered to be another very important for and also popular music of italy. What would distinguish that. How would that sound. You have an example for the language. A language is completely different than politics. For example. there's a song in genoa. That i love very much from so then. That's all ridden ancient general dialect. This movie more monay do any do leg wound samples thri news. Danette doughnut boon. To who tell go sounds like portuguese. Yeah so if. I was a roman. I heard that song i would go. Oh that's from the genoa area. Yes zig know that and you would not understand most of the words as something a lot of travelers. don't recognize that there are these strong dialects. The regional differences would also show themselves in the musical styles. What's another iconic sort of folk tradition in italy. Oh man other want for example could be the roman roma folk music that uses a very strong thick roman accents for example. Like this one guys following me. They've gone produce And one soluition in more may anton on dot off the vast. That's nice now. That is so beautiful. Because for a moment i was interested very little and that would be the roman style. Yep this is so fun to. If we've heard music from belen -opoly we've heard music from genoa. We've heard music from rome with be two more regions that we can do for example easily in sicilian language. Not even it's a language. Cecilia will be schutte. Schutte really delano schutte. Schutte shoot eat. Let's throw and then the maidens come out in their traditional dresses and everybody is having their sicilian good times when we go to the far north of italy we have german culture And i know in the dolan. You've got almost this german schlager. Yes almost like the boys yodeling or something like that. I cannot personally yodel. Because i'm not from australia of south. Did all but i love yodeling listening to your at another dimension. Oh yeah completely and the venuto vagnozzi. What would you have in venice. Venice The traditional venetia music is kind of lost vanishes more related to classical music. You know to that the body the foresees this sort of thing. Even the style of their own donovan. It's yana finish. Rondo related to the classical music world. This has traveled for excuse for talking with david tardy and his band bartender who flew all the way from rome to join us here in studio and give us a demonstration of traditional folk music in italy and how it varies from region to region to region as performers in italy entertaining travellers and tourists. Is it just barring almost painful to have to play volare. All the time to have to play all solo meal and santa lucia. Where was it like to be musician. And you know every tourist wants to hear those can get if you play it like a normal song but the way bartender. This band rearranges music. It's engaging let's just david you will introduce each one with a little bit of Cultural background and let's just have a little medley. Let you play three or four terrific cliches but give them a bartender. Twist and a little context as a tour guide. Okay all right number. One number one is should be velocity. The most famous song. Italian song in the world Sonia casino resort near my mu being able to mine. He lafarge limp rookies of an evil van. Coming shaw opponent dog. Oh guy Being dotty blue questions. Oh valerie just hollywood or is it actually have italian roots valeria. No no it's a it's a song in nineteen fifty eighth but and sung by domenico. You're one of the best italian singer to hit in italy. It's a big time here in our cavalcade of italian music. What's next for example. We could do to vomit gano. What does that do you wanna be. Americano tell us this story has a story about of course just very briefly there is always a story behind the song. In fact this one actually has a great story after world war two the americans in the english for example were seen as heroes especially by the young kids so in the fifties lots of the kids for naples a big city that was liberated by the troops started dressing up like the american so wearing a baseball hat. A pair of jeans. Some rolled-over Sleeves with a pack of marlboro inside the sleeve and so on and the song is about that. You want to pretend to be your even got some friends in europe. That were named frankie and johnny that were born during those years because they wanted to be a medical examiner. Let's hear it out sooner. Fan read the here says combine. Ya romanova pull aguada levada. God oh man god louis. I'm all the monster baby weakness by job as old mysore come ema rich. So you wanna be americano. I like that. But you're not not play rock and roll. You can wear those jeans but you're telling swing whatever you want but that's great okay. So another one. What about a solo. Well let me all. It's a song about the beauty of the gulf of naples and the beauty of the neapolitan. Lifestyle all scholley meal. Oh my son okay. This would be from the polls area tevin tele sort of culture. Yes donatella cultural more neapolitan ballad. Okay and it's a love song. It's a love song. Not only about another person but also about this city of naples very briefly the word so when we hear you singing a ten look what does it mean in another beautiful thing sunday. Not the will the impasse. Serene precedent serene air after the tempest after the storm to the store and also literally. What does that mean. Well your son of mine son the son or the son of mine celebrating the sunshine sunshine twinkling bringing lemons to be fresh for in front of me all the beautiful sudden. Let's hear it. Also meal -kay Laco you're not a sued now. Siri him past raisch. But jonah faced lakos. Now you're the so ma older. Oh so let me style thrown a a. Oh so me the fro raw raw right. You know david when. I'm listening to your band bartender. I'm realizing that as a tourist. It's easy to write something off as just touristy and kitchy but there is a cultural basis for it the checkered tablecloths the woven wine jug of chianti who sola mio italians can sway to that just like american tourists. Yes this has been beautiful. David tardy villareal gabriela bone lombardo milligrams and next time. I'm i wanna check out. Bartender got city next. Up is naples. Nineteen seventy-three untravelled. With rick steves strolling through naples. I remember my first visit to the city. As a why eighteen year old might travel buddy. And i had stepped off the train into the vast piazza garibaldi. A man in a white surgeons gown approached me and said please. It is very important. We need blood for a dying baby. Naples was offering a dose of reality. We weren't expecting on our italian vacation. We immediately made a u-turn stepped back into the station and made a beeline for greece. Well that delayed my first visit by several years. I've been back to naples many times sense and today even with its new fluence and stress on law and order. The city remains appalling and captivating at the same time. It's italy's third largest city as well as its most polluted and crime rate but this tangle durban mess still somehow manages to breathe life and sing with a joyful italian accent naples offers. The closest thing to reality travel and western. Europe churning fertile end exuberant with more than two million. People may says almost no open spaces or parks which makes its ranking as europe's most densely populated city. Plenty evidence watching the police. Try to enforce traffic. Sanity is almost comical but naples still surprises me with its impressive neck for living eating and raising children with good humor and decency. There's even a name for this love of life in the street bus. Living in naples. I spend more time in the local neighborhoods than in the museums and palaces since ancient greek times the old city centre has been split right down. The middle by a long straight street called spike anomaly split naples just beyond the spanish quarter climbs into the hills and behind. The archaeological museum is perhaps the most colorful district of all sanita walking through the neighborhoods. I ventured down narrow streets lined with tall apartment. Buildings walk in the shade of wet laundry hung up to dry and slip into time-warp courtyards couples artfully cuddle investments while surrounded by more fights and smiles per cobblestone than anywhere else in italy black and white death announcements add to the clutter on the walls of the buildings widows sell cigarettes from plastic buckets ice by a woman overseeing the action from her balcony on the fifth floor by two carats as a gift and she lower bucket. Pick them up. One wave populates six stories of balconies. Each filling up with its own waving family. Contagious energy fills the air. I snap a photo and suddenly people in each window and balcony are vying for another shot. Mothers hold up babies sisters pose arm-in-arm a wild haired pregnant woman stands on a fruit great holding her bulging delhi and an old wrinkled woman fills her paint starved window frame with toothy grin paint a picture with these thoughts. Naples has the most intact ancient street plan anywhere. Imagine life here. In the days of caesar with streetside shopfronts that close up to become private homes after dark. Today is just one more page. In a two thousand year old story of city activity meetings. Beatings chattings kisses near misses. Little boy pisses the only predictable elements of this neopolitan. Mix are the boldness of the mopeds concerned residents will tug on their lower eyelid warning. You the be wary and the friendliness of shopkeepers to cap my walk. I pop into grocery and asked the man to make me his best ham and mozzarella sandwich. I watch employed. He turns sandwich making into a show after demonstrating the freshness of his role with a playful. Squeeze he assembles. The components laying on a careful pavement of salami bringing over fluffy mozzarella ball as if performing a kidney transplant slicing tomato with rapid fire machine precision and lovingly. Pitting the olives by hand. Then he finishes it off with the delightful visit of the very best olive oil six-year-olds in a smile later. I find the perfect bench upon which to enjoy my lunch while watching the neopolitan parade of life stroll by an older man with a sloppy slice of pizza joins me later a stylish couple on a bike rolls back. She sits on the handlebars giggling. She faces her man hands around his neck as he cranes to see where they're going. I say bella italia my bench made says no bella napoli. I saint napoli. It's both beautiful. And a city of chaos he agrees but insists bella chaos. I ask tell me what is napoli in one word turning his head. He watches woman stride then with a long string of mozzarella stretching between his mouth and what remains of his pizza he choose for a moment pauses and says boom done i agree. Naples is abundant. Do this look at the bella. Chaos in naples is taken from the one hundred essays from lifetime of travel. But i've compiled in my newest book. Rick steves for the of europe you can call them. Travellers nomads modern american gypsies. Or even work campers jessica. Bruder tells us about her time with the people who spend the retirement years in. Rv's trailers as they travel the country often it's defined seasonal work to help them afford to live here what it's like to survive in nomad land. That's next on travel with rick steves. Hey i'm rick steves in my latest book for the love of europe. You can save her europe's most exciting experiences insights through one hundred of my favorite travel stories. Imagine hanging from an alpine ridge dancing at a turkish party and swinging the bell ringer in medieval church buyer. You can order your copy of for the love of europe. At rick steves dot com for some americans and extended road trip in an rv or camper. Trailer has become a way of life. That's because it's all they can afford. Many of them are looking for temporary seasonal work because they're diminished income after retirement just isn't enough to live on german list. Jessica bruder followed this. Itinerant workforce up close for two years. She logged more than fifteen thousand miles in her own converted van and stayed in campgrounds and actually worked alongside them jessica profiles that people. She met in her book. No manley surviving. America in the twenty first century. It's just been adapted into a major motion picture of the same name jessica. Thanks for being here. Thanks for having me. Whoa what phanom here this nomad. I didn't realize there's a whole parallel society of people who are generally older that are working to subsist moving from place of employment to place of employment in. Rv's what what is the basis of this. What is going on in our country where we have this sort of change in the economic design of things especially for people in their golden years. Yeah all sorts of stuff is going on. I mean when i used to see our viewers. I just assumed that they were the last of the great pensioners going to old faithful or niagara falls and just tooling around enjoying themselves. But the more. I learned when i started looking into. This is think about it. We've seen so many things that have made it difficult for people to retire happen in this country. We've seen pensions give way to 401k's which put a lot of risk on workers rather than on employers we've seen the great recession decimate people savings and basically just caused the housing equity. They plan to retire on evaporate. We've been in a culture where for such a long time. wages have been stagnant. I mean our federal minimum wage is seven twenty five which still blows my mind incredibly low while the cost of housing are increasing. Consequently people who don't have a pension to support them Cost of housing goes up. Their income doesn't go up there and come probably goes down and they end up homeless looking for work to supplement a meagre social security. What do people make per month the on social security l. It's oliver them up. I believe the average is around twelve. Hundred but i met people who are making five hundred or less. You can't live on five hundred a month to that that sorta out but you've got to get out there and at seven fifty an hour or whatever you can manage supplement that absolutely for people who are lifetime low-wage earners since social security is based on your lifetime of wages people. Just you know. They're not going to get a break. Once they're older in your book called give up the stick house and hit the roads in brick is what the viewers call him sticking brick. Yeah to distinguish that from their home. So they've these people will not call themselves homeless faecal it house lewis and that makes perfect sense to me because they've got transportation and shelter. You just brought something up earlier jessica about there's no more pensions but now there's the 401k. Explain the dynamic of that. What was the situation with pensions. What is it now with. 401k's why was that changed main and and what the consequences. Unfortunately i think it was a pretty cynical move and it was marketed. As 401k's were marketed in the eighties as an instrument of financial freedom. This kind of you pick your destiny. Your free go forth americans but when pensions were the rule of the land they were made on basically a defined benefit sort of schedule. So you knew what you were getting up to the employer to make sure that you've got that and really under the guise of freedom that risk outsource to the shoulders of the worker as 401k's became the rule so if you're an impoverished older person who wishes you were actually retired with an income. You could feel like you've been scammed out of your pension and indu 401k's that doesn't do it for you because you never made enough money to put that away. yeah absolutely triumph for the employers. It's absolutely a triumph for employers and it's part of the erosion of the rights that the labor movement has one for us over the past decades. I mean who who remembers the forty hour week. He seems quaint. Feel like retirement is going the same way. And so what's going on with retirement now because Retirement used to be different thing than it is. Today today americans over sixty-five lot of them still have to work. Yeah and we're we're living longer and longer a really interesting phenomenon. I saw two as a lot of older single women on the road when you think about it again because of the gender wage gap women's lifetime earnings lower than men so they get less social security. They spend a lot of time. Out of the workforce doing unpaid labor as caregivers. They live longer than men. Sorts pretty incredible. There's a lot of solo women out there. So there's a lot of people looking for temporary work to supplement their social security check. That can't afford a home and they're living out of an rv. Roughly how many people are we talking. Okay so this is a really challenging number to address because everybody is quote unquote dome assailed somewhere to get by america. You need an address. You need it for your driver's license insurance. So i would guess just anecdotally. Based on things from a player's we're talking at least tens of thousands and that's a conservative estimate. Jessica brooders our guest on travel with rick steves. She's the author of nomad land surviving america in the twenty first century. Not long after book. Released in two thousand seventeen jessica drove to our studio in gmc kemperman. She fixed up and called van halen. Her website is jessica bruder dot com that spelled b. r. u. d. e. r. Jessica how did you get into this and tell us about how you learned about this issue. Were inspired to go out and write this book. I'm a journalist. I do a lot of reading and back in. Oh gosh it was two thousand and eleven. There was a really scrappy paper. The allentown morning call the came out with a report about temperatures rising to one hundred ten degrees in an amazon warehouse. And instead of putting an ac they had ambulances outside to pick up people when they dropped and year. Later i was reading more about warehouse work and there were one paragraph two paragraphs tops in his article. Where somebody said. Hey i'm in the amazon warehouse. Because i'm here with a special program for our viewers and i can't afford to retire and the story moved on but i didn't. I was like wait a minute. What is that all about. So i learned more about the program started doing a ton of research and found out that this program amazon runs called. Kemper force was just a small part of a much larger ecosystem thousands of employers coast to coast and up into canada hiring this incredibly mobile population and in an environment where the mainstream workplace bespoke my face. A lot of ageism and suddenly here is a network of employers. That's welcoming older folks with open arms. So let's talk about that a little bit because If you are an employer and you hire a temp worker. There are some advantages. They don't do organiz. The unit dealing with unions don't have a lot of perks and benefits. You gotta give them certainly no healthcare and it can be seen as an employer is a very easy way to filled the spikes in demand of labor in your work economically. Amazon might have a huge demand for labor at christmas time and less elsewhere so all these different laborers will realize. Hey this is the time to go to amazon now and then in the summer it might be agricultural work or something like this. Give me the description of this would. Amazon would call camper force sure but also it's worth noting that this is just a tiny part of the fact that so much of our workforce is going towards independent contractors right now in ways that because it's so much more beneficial for the employers employers market to have to provide benefits of any kind and to have out will employees where you really don't need any resent to terminate them. It's just the alternate and flexible workforce at will employees. What does that mean exactly at will means you can be without cause so many of these were camping jobs. The folks are working at well. They are told you will probably get x. Amount of hours a week and often they travel great distances to reach the job and if the employer decides that they're no longer needed or they just feel like cutting on there's no obligation to deliver on the work. So what are some examples of sources of employment for ten rent senior. Labor's there is the amazon camper force. That is something that exists in the four months leading up to christmas where people do pick and pack on ten hour shifts in the warehouses. Make sure you've got good sneakers. You could be walking fifteen miles a day or more on concrete which is not so nice on an aging body with this be of a nine to five shift or do they do it at different times of day. I went undercover into the overnight shift which turned people into what they referred to as emma zombies amazon vs midnight to eight. Am or something. Oh gosh yeah. It was all through the night. It was all through the night so just one ship comes and other shift goes. Yeah absolutely the worst is not ever shut down. That's one big big source of temporary. What what are some other. Examples is the annual sugarbeet harvest up in the red river valley. People work on ground crew. You're shoveling sugar. Beets out in the cold on a twelve hour shift. That's pretty intense as well. There are people guarding the gates for texas oilfields. There are people doing campground hosting which is a really interesting one because it looked very quaint and the jobs are often advertised. Something that kind of feels like summer. Camp like hey. You're getting paid to go camping but in this kind of camping. Your cleaning toilets three times a day. You're shoveling out fire pits. You're dealing with rowdy campers and you're only allowed to invoice for a limited amount of work hours when in truth you're on site For many of these people twenty four seven because your living there so if somebody wants to buy firewood from you at two in the morning and they're banging on the side of your rig. Good luck telling them now. How would somebody who's looking for. Workers spread their news. And how would somebody who's looking for work network and know what's out there. Are there magazines or their websites. How this all this connect yeah. There's a website called workers on wheels. There's another site called work camper news and they solicit advertisements from tons and tons and tons of employers. There's also just a huge word of mouth network. People who are work camping get together on facebook and in all sorts of online digests the man who ties the christmas tree abide to the roof of your car. The woman who cleans the toilets at the campground you stayed in. They might be among the thousands of work campers. Jessica bruder got to know. She researched the lives of americans who live in. Rv's and campers by joining them in her own converted caravan jessica's book nomad land made the new york times list of one hundred notable books. Twenty seventeen it's now been adapted into a movie starring francis mick dorman david straigthen and a number of actual people jessica met on the road. The film won the top prize at this year's venison toronto film festivals. Nomad land is scheduled for general release on december fourth. Our phone number is eight. Seven seven three three seven four to five and then he's calling from sandwich in massachusetts wondering. How did people view you. Or how does society do this like a vagabond or just you know normal people using a campfire and traveling. Well nancy. it's really funny. You used that word. Because i just remember when i met one of the women i interviewed for the book. She said you're gonna make us out to be a bunch of homeless vagabonds. So that concern of stigmas definitely there particularly with the ongoing criminalization of homelessness over the country. Where people are being told. They can't sleep in their vehicles in cities all over the place. So i think it really depends on what strata the community you belong to and what reagan. I know a woman who lives in van and was speaking to a bunch of folks in sparkly new are views around a campfire and when they asked her what kind of rick do you live in. And she said a van. They actually left their own campfire. So there is stigma. There is prejudice out there. And i think depending on how old your rig is and what you're doing with it it can be a real challenge. Well thank you for your answer. Thank you for your call. Nancy ideas calling from los angeles adhere. Thanks for your call. hi. I'm wondering how many of these people might have considered becoming ex-pats involving to other countries. I'm sure they might not have the means to get to the other countries. You know like mexico as a lot of pets and i know cuenca ecuador's really high on the list in other words if you have the humble retirement here. That doesn't quite pay the bills. You could move south of the border and live more comfortably on the x amount of money. Per month right yeah. I'm just wondering if these people have considered bad or does he get into that at all. And if you know much about the cat community around the world of american will. I know it's growing. And i think it's fascinating and one little area of overlap. Which isn't quite what you're asking. Is i know tons and tons of people who go to mexico to get their dental work. Done people pretty much going there and caravans. But i think for a lot of these people. It's a matter of what the startup costs to. Actually get out. There would be like that largely would put it out of reach crime. What about tiny houses. Well in a sense fees are tiny houses on wheels. they're tiny houses without utility costs without property tax. There's definitely some overlap. There in those tiny houses can roll to the seasonal sources of income. Absolutely thanks for your call. This is travel with rick. Steves we're talking with jessica bruder. Who book is nomad land talking about surviving in america in the twenty first century. If you are older and your retirement doesn't quite make it. You went undercover. And you're sitting around campfires probably telling stories and sharing ideas with these people. In what way is it a culture. In what way do they relate to each other in ways that we might not share for what it's worth. I never went undercover. When i was just out there with people. I only went undercover when i was in a closed work environment like the sugar beet harvest or amazon whenever i went and spoke with people and was out there and my van. They knew exactly what. I was doing their civilian. Sir i treat them accordingly. But i've got to tell you. It's an incredible culture and a really really resilient creative fiercely independent protective culture. I was really impressed by it. So people get together online but people also get together in person and they at one particular event that i attended for three years in a row as part of my research is called. The rubber tramp rendezvous and people are doing seminars teaching each other. how to boondock. Go off the grid and the national parts how to stealth camp without getting rousted by police in cities how to get affordable dental care in mexico and often joining each other on field trips to go down there. How do carpool it. Down to two town. South of the border senator feelings. Dan muller city that's fascinating you went to a convention a tinder at labor convention and had all these. They're smart people that are living out of their rv's for financial reason. Brilliant people and some of them are working and others have just made their overhead so low that they can pretty much financially doormen. There's a whole mix do employers provide kind of a campground for the trailers if they need to encourage more people to come i mean i can imagine employees thing this great. We need five hundred workers. They would want to have a place where people could plug in. Do they actually create these trailer towns. That are temporary workforce hamlet. Yeah so in the case of amazon they had briefly spoken about building their own. But i think found it was easier to contract with rv parks in the communities surrounding their warehouses. And keep in mind for some of these jobs. I was up at the sugarbeet harvest in rv. V. park can be a bit of a euphemism for field with electrical plug. Basically you need a place to park and penta and a plug that. Let's let's talk about the reality of people who when you're in your seventies especially when you're in your seventies doing hard physical labor in a lotta cases you've got the reality of healthcare and and your your body is falling apart and you don't have more money you have less money. What is the reality. When you're seventy five and going to work every day standing and moving things around hoping the employer doesn't notice that you're not able to physically and you're having to sign away your rights so you can't complain to your employer that you got injured. What kind of empathy did you gain for people in this situation. Oh a ton. because we've gotta tell you when. I was out there undercover on a couple of these jobs. My body hurt and i was thirty seven. At the time i met people who were again walking fifteen miles a day on concrete floor and getting plantar fasciitis. I met people getting trigger finger from using the handheld scanner. Guns i met people getting slip and fall injuries on the slick floor. At the beet harvest people getting hit in the head with a cardboard boxes at amazon. Just its incredible. The persistence of these folks and this is a generation that doesn't really abide complainers. So you're not gonna hear them whine about it they get up and do it again and i think that's why the employers like them so much is because of that can do attitude jessica normally when we have an interview i'd like to. I'd like to end on something really happy and uplifting and inspirational. But i don't know to me you got somebody who's five years old and having to you know work from midnight to nine in the morning at some christmas rush you know discount retailer and then five years. Go by and you're not getting stronger. You're getting weaker. You're not getting richer you're getting poorer. What is the endgame is only sadness. It's not only sadness. But i've seen my fair share of sadness. There are a couple of people. I talked to for the book who are no longer with us. Send a woman. I talked to all the time was recently parked next to in rv'er who was having a tough time he was also a bit older and low on cash and she didn't see him for a couple of days and the flies on the screens and she called the police and he was gone as well. So while i have seen people get off. The road. And i have seen people find other things to do. It's a really complicated picture. And i don't want to give away the end of the book but it actually doesn't have a super depressing ending or something kinda of cool unhappy. That happens but i can't tell you what it is. We'll jessica whether there is a happy final chapter or not. I just think it's really important. They've drawn that. You've raised awareness of this dimension of our country as we as a nation struggled to to give people the opportunity to work hard and and have dignity and self respect Especially in their in their golden jessica bruder. The book is nomad land. And thank you so much for learning about this in sharing it so eloquently. Thanks for having me here. Travel with rick steves produced by tim. Captain with kasmin a hall. At rick steves europe and edmonds washington. Our website is managed by andrew. Wait at america and our theme music is by jerry. Frank you'll find more to the show on our website. At rick steves dot com slash radio. Driving has rhythm all its own. 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That's more than half a trillion dollars an advertising because of the digital revolution. Television advertising has lost some of its privacy but tv still accounts for roughly a third of ad spending in the us. The super bowl alone brings in more than three hundred million dollars and how effective is all the tv advertising. How good is it at actually selling the products. It is telling you to buy the conventional wisdom says it's gotta be affected. Why else would companies spend so much money on it. But the data well the data tell a different story. Here's what we heard last week from anna tuchman. She is a marketing professor at northwestern university and she recently co authored a massive study on the efficacy of tv advertising. This means that doubling the amount of advertising would lead to about a one percent increase in sales so. Your research argues that. Tv advertising is about fifteen to twenty times less effective than the conventional wisdom says. Yes that's right. There are not surprisingly objections to this research especially from the marketing industry. For instance they will point to the brand building aspect of advertising. It's not just about short-term sales they'll say or the game theory aspect that is if you don't advertise your product and your rivals do. Where does that leave you. Still any company that spends even thousands of dollars on tv ads. Much less millions or billions would have to be sobered by anna tuchman findings was tv advertising. Always so inefficient. Or did it lose its luster recently with the arrival of digital giants like google and facebook. The answer to that question but we do know is that people are spending more time online than ever before and digital advertising holds the promise of matching advertisers precisely to the people who want their products at the end of the day. Everything around mopti stretchy around segmentation. That's the former chief marketing officer of unilever. Keith weed more relevant to to the audience the more interested they'll be in your message of the more interested being your message. The more likely be all to buy your product and thanks to the cookies on your phone or computer such a cute name for such a powerful tracking device you are constantly telling the companies who installed those cookies. Exactly what you are interested in you. Also tell them where you live what you wear and listen to eat. What kind of people you hang out with. Which god if any you believe. In which political party you hate less than the other yes. The advertising has changed radically with the arrival of digital and data. The internet has made it almost too easy to sell to us and sell to us. They do last year. Advertisers spent one hundred and twenty three billion dollars on internet ads in the us. It's just less than half the total ad spending across all media. That's how facebook and alpha the parent company of google have become two of the most valuable companies in the world. More than eighty percent of google's revenue comes from advertising where the ninety eight percent of facebook's revenue comes from advertising with so many advertisers spending so many billions they must be getting a healthy return on their investment right so digital advertising must be effective right Today on freakonomics radio a hard look at the hard to find evidence around digital advertising. Oh adds definitely work. But we can't tell you how or why are any evidence for it from stitcher and productions. This is freakonomics radio. Podcast that explores the hidden side of everything. Here's your host stephen. Duffner steve to dallas is a professor at haas school of business at the university of california berkeley. Yes and i teach and do research in economics. A lot of his research is on the economics of the internet. Back in two thousand eleven. He started doing. Some work with ebay. Was to hire lead a team of economists and work with a variety of the businesses within ebay. The hiring of prominent academic economists is longstanding practice at tech firms. How varian also from berkeley has worked for years as chief economist at google john list from the university of chicago has done similar work. I at uber and now at lift. So here was steve to dallas at ebay and at one point one of the directors. They're realized that as economists. We know something about metrics which is the statistics of measuring economic activity. And they want to see if we could vet a consultant that they recently hired a consulting firm to do quantitative marketing analytics. And help ebay figure out how to spend their scarce marketing dollars. Let me just say that. Scarce here is a relative term that the time ebay was spending about two billion dollars a year and a variety of marketing activities. Okay so it makes sense. Ebay would wanna know how effectively that money was being spent more than half of it was going toward. Internet and this outside consulting firm was going to analyze the efficacy of those ads and the goal was to speak with this consulting company and see if they're going to use solid and vetted ways of measuring these returns to advertising to be fair measuring the efficacy of advertising. Can be really hard last week. My freakonomics friend and co author. Steve levitt told us about trying to help a big box. Retailer measure the efficacy of their tv ads. One issue that they really only advertise three times a year for father's day black friday and christmas. And so you of course have correlation between your advertising on tv and when you're selling things but it's not necessarily or even primarily because of the ad it's because the company knows when the big selling days are and they target the ads around it so teasing the causal part the sales that wouldn't have happened absence advertising. It's just really hard problem. But within that firm levitt found the executives were convinced it was the ads that caused the sales steve to dallas again. This is the kind of wrong analysis that many people end up falling into when they are not that conscientious about the difference between causation correlation. To knew this would be a hard problem for ebay as well. And that's what these outside consultants were supposed to figure out. So i got a call with them and very quickly was able to confirm that what they're doing was quite wrong. Just you know consulting firms. Also like to higher academic economists to do this kind of work. So you can maybe see where this is going to. Dallas is listening intently on call which was on a landline. Which will make sense. In a second and went to dallas suggested that the consultants proposed methodology would not be able to untangle correlation and causation. They responded using a whole bunch of jargon especially the term proprietary transformation functions proprietary meaning. That's our secret. Transformation functions meaning who knows to della said he still didn't understand how these incidents were going to measure the thing that needed to be measured the marginal effect of the ads that ebay was spending millions on them and The head of the company replied by saying that to do the marginal measurement. They're going to use lagrange multipliers. Well i paused for a second. Because i know at lagrange multipliers are. I used to teach this stuff. And i couldn't understand what they're trying to do here. And that's when the dime dropped they're trying to out jargon me so i replied by saying well we all know that the lagrange multipliers measure the shadow values of constraints in an optimization problem so it would really help me if you explain to me. What is your objective function. And what are your constraints after a short pause and this is where i have to take my hat off to the founder of that consulting company. He immediately responded with the only and best answer he could give. Which was steve. Are you driving now. Because i can't hear you you're breaking up to dallas. Took his concerns back to his bosses at ebay. He proposed a different way to understand the impact of the online ads. Ebay was buying. He offered to run some randomized experiments to researcher. That's gold gold standard and there was not any by in but coincidentally but coincidentally one of the advertising and marketing teams. Wanted to renegotiate a deal with yahoo and microsoft network namely the bing search engine. That is ebay wanted to renegotiate the terms under which they bought search ads on being and before doing that. They ceased all payments for brand keyword advertising. That's because ebay was trying to create some leverage heading into their renegotiation. Okay but now. We need a primer on keyword advertising. And how you actually buy online ads right so just like you could imagine the auction for a piece of art at sotheby's where the auction near puts up this picasso and says how much are people willing to pay and then give it to the highest bidder. Something similar is happening. Every time someone searches for anything on google or yahoo or being or any other search engine and you have companies that are bidding on different kinds of keywords companies that want to advertise online. Come up with a list of words that they think we'll give them the best chance of connecting with people who are searching for what the companies are selling these could be branded keywords like ebay or verizon or non branded key words like stiletto heels cable. Tv if i'm in the insurance industry and someone is searching car insurance on google i wanna be there but i don't wanna be there when someone is searching for fil unless maybe you've got a specialty line of laval insurance and someone types car insurance. The second they click enter. All these computers are basically running these auctions instantaneously. This is done with the aid of sophisticated algorithms. So they have all the bids they allocated to the winner. And that's how the ad pops up when dallas was working for ebay. The company was in the practice of buying brand keyword ads. Which meant that if you did an online search four ebay. The top result before all the organic search results was a paid ad for ebay. The federal trade commission requires such adds to be clearly labeled as ads. Although some of the labeling is pretty subtle go do a google search for something like best running shoes. And you'll see what i mean anyway. These paid ebay adds that delegates talking about now. This is what the consulting company said had the highest bang for the buck. Which of course made no sense from a common sense perspective. Because if i'm already searching for ebay i know exactly where i want to go. So the fact that the ad intercepts me and i click on it is just coincidental and it cannibalize. What would have been a free. Click on the organic search so when ebay in planning to renegotiate their deal with being turned off their brand keyword advertising mad gave us. What's called natural experiment. This is what economists dream about a change in a variable the ford's a real opportunity to separate correlation from causation. We could measure visits and we could measure purchases and we could see whether there was any drop in clicks and purchases and not surprisingly all the search that was taken away from the ads just ended up coming for free through the organic search because right below the ad was the free linked to ebay. Once we had those results. I went to the chief financial officer of ebay north america and showed him the analysis to which he responded. Okay you guys. Were right what we do next. And that gave us the open door to design more sophisticated experiments to dallas up running to experiments along with fellow. Economists thomas blake and chris nocco the first one essentially mirrored the natural experiment. They turned off all brand keyword search ads which means that if someone searches for ebay ebay will not surface an ad the conjecture that we have which i can't see any other conjecture is that if there is no competition for keyword ebay then once you remove that bad the organic search is going to be the first thing that people see and that means that they're gonna go to ebay directly without having ebay pay any fees to the search engine for the advertising and that is precisely what they found surprise surprise other researchers found even more pronounced results imagine that an ebay competitor like amazon enters an ad auction for the keyword ebay and wins at auction. This means that when you search for ebay the top link you'll get is an amazon link. In such cases researchers found most people just ignore the amazon link and move on directly to ebay which means brand keyword advertising. Whether it's your brand or someone else's is a waste of money exactly imagine you're a restaurant owner and you want to hand out coupons in order to get people to come to your restaurant and if you want to measure the returns on that coupon you really need to know how many people would come without the coupon. Because here's the thing for every person who would have come anyway. You're losing money. The analogy in my view of brand keyword advertising is handing out the coupons inside the restaurant the second experiment to dallas and his colleagues ran used branded keywords. Just the names of things that people might be looking to buy online like guitar. Were boots or picture frame. Yes so for non branded search. We actually had no idea what the results are going to be. Because here if i am searching for example studio microphone. I'm sure that on ebay. I might find a variety of used ones. But if i'm not thinking about ebay and i just searched for studio microphone if e bay doesn't pay an ad they might not even show up on the first page. And by the way the automated machines at ebay that were doing the online bidding they had a basic library of close to a hundred million different combinations of keywords because ebay has practically everything you could imagine for sale on the site so we really had no idea what the returns for. The non branded search would be the experiment. They designed used order strategy. That's the same method. We heard about in our earlier episode on tv advertising. This takes advantage what are called. Dma's or designated market area is what most of us think of as media markets. It turns out that most people living on one side of a market border are socially economically and demographically similar to the people living on the other side when two similar populations are served different ads. Which happens all the time you can isolate the impact of the advertising on their actual purchases. There are two hundred and ten delays in the us and we took a third of these delays and we turned off all paid search advertising. This was an extremely blunt experiment. Where we're saying what would happen. If we didn't advertise. And to our surprise the impact on average was pretty much zero. Did you catch that. They turned off all their keyword search ads. Then measured actual sales and the impact on average was pretty much zero. What was ebays existing belief about paid search advertising. The company believe that roughly five percent of sales were driven by paid search advertising. Meaning that they believe that if he would pull the plug on advertising sales would drop by five percent. What we found was that sales dropped by about half a percent so that's an order of magnitude less and it was not statistically different from zero but maybe it's still worth it to gain even that half a percent now. We have to know what the advertising costs and measure the return on investment. When you did the return on investment for every dollar that ebay spends ebay believed that for every dollar. They're spending they're getting roughly a dollar and a half back meaning fifty cents of net profits and what we showed. Is that on average. They're losing more than sixty cents on every dollar. So how did these results go over. Well the president of ebay who later became the ceo. He cut the paid search marketing budget immediately. By one hundred million dollars a year. So what happened next. You might think what with capitalism being the hyper competitive market optimizing perfect information ecosystem. It's supposed to be you might think that other companies once they learned about this ebay research would cut their online ad spending or at least commission their own research. Test the theories. So did they excellent question. There was a lot of chatter on line after our experiments became public suggesting. That folks ebbe don't what they're doing and paid search advertising works wonderfully if you know how to do it but of course that was backed with no data and no analysis in other words the digital ad community did not rush to replicate the results now given the opportunity to save millions of dollars that the ebay research showed was being wasted. Why wouldn't other companies at least poke their own data a little harder. Well i think there are many reasons. Let's start with the way in which this industry is structured. You could think of four different actors. Here there's the customer which is the company or the person who wants to advertise in order to get business and then you have three players sitting on the other side of this market was the publishers. That would be google. That would be the new york times or any other place where the ad appears in front of people the other are the people who create ads and then finally a smaller part of the industry are these analytics. Companies that like that company ebay hired are trying to help companies. Spend this money and if you think of all these three players on the other side of the fence. No-one there has an incentive to basically open this pandora's box even within the company. That's buying the ads. The incentives can be complicated. Steve levitt again. If you think about it no chief. Marketing officer is ever going to say. Hey i don't know don't work. It's not do umn and see what happens. Don't get me wrong. I'm not implying that advertising doesn't work plan that we don't have a very good idea about how well it works. Steve to dallas agrees. The potential for digital advertising would seem especially large given its ability to micro target consumers and targeting really is key because one of the lessons. We learned from the experiments at ebay. Was that people who never shopped on. They were very much influenced by having ebay ads for non brand keywords. You know guitar share studio microphone and if ebay would be able to better target ads to customers that are not frequent customers. That's where you would get the real bang for the buck. So as companies become more sophisticated. They could try to engage in these kinds of experiments to focus attention on different customer segments in order to see where they get the highest returns on advertising by in large. I don't see that happening. A big part of it is the naivety on the side of these customers customers. Meaning the companies who are buying these keyword ads. The one actor sitting alone on their side of the fence across from the agencies the publishers the ad tech firms and one of the things that i try hard to do is to give people enough information so that they wouldn't be able to do the job themselves but if someone is to sell them snake oil. They'll smells something is not working here. Coming up after the break is the digital advertising economy a bubble. I do think this is very parallel to the kind of psychology that had driven bubbles in the past. Also if you like freakonomics and you've gotten this far so presumably you don't hate it. You may also lake. The two other shows that recently launched within the freakonomics radio network. One is called stupid questions. The other people i mostly admire. I am proud to say that new stupid questions which launched in may is already coming up on five million downloads and people. I mostly admire which launched only at the end of summer is coming up on. Its first million so go. Listen and subscribe new stupid questions and people mostly admire. You can find them wherever you listen to podcasts. And now here's an ad that somebody probably cooked up. Just for you We reached out to facebook and google with some questions about their ad business and to get a response to the research. We've been discussing today. Which argues that paid. Search advertising is substantially less effective than the conventional wisdom holtz. We got no reply from facebook. The google representatives wrote back to say quote advertisers invest money in search ads. Because they work. They also sent some internal google researched backup their claim separately. We received an unsolicited email from. How variant the chief economist at google. He attached a long list of research. Papers that assert the efficacy of search advertising as well as advertising on youtube which is owned by google. Much of the research vary incent was done by google analysts it offers a robust defense of the status quo the online ad ecosystem. Google has built off of there. Search capability is quite literally a license to print money alphabet. Google's parent company has a market capitalization of nearly one point two trillion dollars last year. Eighty three percent of their revenue came from advertising so it would probably behoove all of us to know a little bit more about how this ecosystem functions whether it's as effective as google says it is or as ineffective as researchers like steve to dallas told us earlier about his research at ebay. Ebay believed that for every dollar. They're spending they're getting fifty cents net profits and what we showed. Is that on average. They're losing more than sixty cents on every dollar so okay. let's try to understand this ecosystem better. I we will need a guide. Sure my name is tim. Wong h. w. a. n. g. day job is. I'm a research fellow at the center for security and emerging technology at georgetown and before that i was previously global head of public policy for a and machine learning at google one recently published book called subprime attention crisis advertising in the time bomb at the heart of the internet. It's about how big tech monetizes our attention. When i started to research by very naturally started to talk to a couple of friends who work at these big tech companies and it was a little bit like talking to someone who works in national security or the intelligence community or something like that because they would be like. Oh adds definitely work. But we can't tell you how or why are you any evidence for it. Google would plainly dispute. There is no evidence for whether online ads work. Tim wong recognizes. He is tilting at windmills. Here trillion dollar windmills. But in fact he. i grew skeptical about online advertising. While still working at google he began reading trade journals and going to conferences. And i had this fascinating experience. Where one of these keynotes at this conference was given by nicole. Newman who basically is a big ad. Critic nico newman. Is a marketing professor at the melbourne business school in australia and he presented to really fascinating studies that his lab had done the first one was looking into the quality of data used in the tech industry basically demonstrating in many cases. It was incredibly inaccurate and the second one was he took dead. Aim at the hype cycle around a that exists in tech right now where people are saying if you have this latest machine learning. You have this. You'll targeting in a way that you never ever were able to do. Before and nico's lap did some experiments that demonstrated in many cases machine. Learning was finding people who would have bought the product anyways bringing this message to an ad tech conference is a bit like bringing a safety pin to a balloon conference that looked around being like ways so where people angry and it was just total dead air. No one responded no engaged with it and it got me really interested in thinking about like. Is there a bubble here. A bubble like the dot com bubble or the subprime bubble or the tulip bubble. Because this is exactly the kinds of behavior that occur in other financial bubbles where the red lights are flashing but everybody industry just refuses to take a look at the real data. Wong began thinking about how bubbles happen so the origins of every bubble come in this gap that occurs in a marketplace on one hand. You have people who believe that. An asset whether it's collateralized debt obligations or advertising inventory is extremely valuable and then on the other hand what you have is declining asset value so in the subprime mortgage crisis. We believed that mortgages bro is going to pay out regularly forever right. When next turned a package of mortgages were actually terrible asset there were toxic and about to go belly so how long justify parallel with digital advertising. I think the first piece is really the big question of do people ever see ads at all. So google actually did a fascinating study not too long ago which concluded that close to sixty percent of ads on the internet are never ever even seen the ad is delivered but it just ends up in some dumb part of the page. Just below the fold there it's alongside line. But what about the precise targeting. The digital ads are supposed to offer a two thousand and nineteen study this one done by three academic researchers addressed this question by measuring the impact of a users cookies. Those remember are the tracking codes most of us to roam our computers and phones in exchange for all the free information we get from companies like google and facebook. This study found that when users cookies were unavailable ad. Revenues only dropped by about four percent. Why would cookies be so ineffective. Tim wong argues that people pay a lot less attention to online ads and they used to. People often forget that when banner ads. Were i lost on the internet. There click through rate was fifty percent completely mind-bending right and it was just continue to fall and fall and fall and now it's like point zero one. Two point zero three percent. Some estimates of click through rates are higher than what hong sites here that said. Precise measurement is hard because there are so many bots clicking on adds a whole other problem with the digital ad universe but no matter how you measure it. Click through rates have fallen a lot as the novelty wears off habituation sets in and an ad that might have once grabbed your attention becomes invisible or worse annoying. People increasingly don't want ads. So ad blocking for example is really really increasing over time. And i think these factors not being able to see ads the questions about the effectiveness of ads and the rise of ad blocking bring into question whether thing that we think is so valuable is actually worth as much as we think it is but if there is such a big gap between the perceived and real value of digital advertising. Why are google and facebook worth so much money. Look at it this way. There are a couple trillion reasons. Why tim wong might be wrong. But he doesn't think so. His theory is that digital advertising is grotesquely overvalued because it is still so hard to measure and one reason it's hard to measure the marketplace is exceedingly opaque. So there's a fascinating incident. That i always think about which is one of the last times. That mark zuckerberg was called up to congress and one of the questions that he got from. One of the senators was well. How do you guys make money. Sustain a business model in which users don't pay for your service and mark zuckerberg was like senator. We run out and at the time. A lot of the chatter on twitter was like ha ha. Look at the super old senator. He doesn't know anything about the internet. But it's true that even if you talk to people in the tech industry and you're like okay level with me joe engineer. How do ads work on the internet. It's kind of a rumor like we know. This is how the business model works but no one can really explain how it works in detail so when i say advertising a lot of people normally think of madman right but it really looks like what the nasdaq looks like which is largely automated system moves millions and millions and billions of pieces of ad inventory on a daily basis as steve to dallas explained earlier. Most ad inventory is sold by auctions which are run by algorithms operating at phenomenal speed. This is one contributor to the obesity of the industry. for instance. It can be hard to figure out why certain ads and up on certain pages if you are a family-friendly brand like disney you don't want your ad popping up on a youtube video showing a terrorist beheading. This has been a source of chronic embarrassment to the ad industry. The prevention of this kind of ad mismatch is known as brand safety and despite the greatest efforts at trying to eliminate the risk of brand safety from the ad market. People buying largest haven't been able to again. The industry itself would disagree. We ask google how they ensure an ad doesn't show up on a page promoting misinformation or conspiracy theory. Here's their reply. We have strict policies that govern what kind of content we place ads on. And if we find a page or website that violates our policies we take immediate action in two thousand and nineteen keith weed. The former marketing boss at unilever helped create a consortium called the global alliance for responsible media which pushes for better add controls to protect brand safety. At did everyone's a well-functioning its net and everyone wants to have a positive impact on the world and not to have some of the issues. We're wrestling with right now. I think that paul has not been easy. so far. This september after months of advertiser boycotts facebook twitter and youtube agreed to adopt a common set of definitions for hate speech and develop tools to let advertisers have more control over where their ads show up. But tim wong thinks. The longstanding opacity of the online ad marketplace is just one reason we might be in digital advertising bubble. I think second thing is a little bit like in the subprime mortgage crisis you do have people who have very perverse incentives. I think to push the effectiveness of online ads. that's the ad agencies the ad platforms themselves. The people who run ad technology. All these people i think have a very strong incentive to say no. This stuff is way better than earlier generations of advertising. And this is why you should use it. If you've been listening closely you will notice. This is the exact same problem. Steve levitt talked about regarding the tv ad ecosystem. Human beings generally make decisions based on self interest. No chief marketing officer is ever going to say. Hey i don't know maybe don't work. Let's not do them and see what happens. Or as the author upton sinclair once wrote it is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it so there is a common practice which is not very well disclosed in the ad industry whereby an ad tech company will basically offer ad inventory at a cheap price to the advertising agency the agency remember is paid by you the client who hired them to help you so what you're selling and then the agency will turn around and say you should really use this ad tech product and sell it at a higher price and what are the worries about. This is that it changes the incentives. Right which is typically the ad agency should be working on behalf of the client but in these cases they have very perverse incentives to push distribution of a message that may not otherwise be rational or even useful to them all of these issues and all the new empirical evidence we've been discussing about. The ineffectiveness of advertising has persuaded tim long that yes. The online marketplace is a bubble and it might soon pop in fact the deflation may have already begun a few years back proctor and gamble which is one of the largest advertisers in the world decided that they would run a little experiment they were gonna take about two hundred million dollars of their digital ad spending and just cut it out of their budget to see what happens. Proctor and gamble said they were doing this. Because of concerns over brand safety and the proliferation of bots which can pollute the data on ad impressions and the end result was fascinating basically said that there was no noticeable impact on their bottom line again. The ad industry will have a lot of explanations for why this might be or for why. There's a lot of value in advertising beyond short-term sales figures but proctor and gamble is a big player even if they are wrong even to a small degree they're the ones whose money drives the advertising ecosystem. What would happen if this turned into a mass movement among advertisers. One shouldn't underestimate the size and reach of the advertising ecosystem you watch on. Tv supported by ads. The journalism you consume supported by at least much of it. Google maps google drive and google supported by s as well as facebook and instagram and twitter. Nearly everything else you consume online. And don't pay for including this podcast. Just about every other podcast. You listened to advertising is also important for tim. Wong whose day job is researching artificial intelligence and machine learning some of the most cutting edge research in the world is being funded by ads right if you think machine learning and is going to have a huge impact a huge impact in the world. That is from economists. Travel to medical research and diagnosis. You may want to think about what it means. That most of it is subsidized through this ad infrastructure. So there's lots and lots of links through the economy. That are not always obvious. But i think are worth thinking through because it points how widespread downturn could be so if there is an advertising bubble can it be deflated in a slow controlled. Way to avoid massive economic unraveling. Tim wong think so but change won't come from the industry players. They have too much incentive to keep selling it's got to be driven by the buyers one of the groups that has the most to lose people who theoretically might be wasting a lot of money on advertising but one does not think the by side pressure will be enough because i think one of the biggest problems in the spaces that there is no objective third party evaluator of some of these claims claims that is about efficacy and so what i advise is kind of a punk rock n d e r. The nba is the national bureau of economic research. What does wong's punk rock version. Look like it's basically a research group that is willing to be a little bit of a troll to the advertising industry and so again do we throw off the veil reduce the opacity in the marketplace. You really need a dedicated group of people who are doing good research on this front where you want is a handbrake can slowly bring down the momentum in the market so that it can deflate without exploding there are of course. Many people and institutions already doing research on advertising spending. But let's be honest. Most of them have someone's thumb on the scale and conventional wisdom. Isn't the only thing that someone like tim. Wong is challenging. It's also the billions of advertising. Dollars that dr trillions of dollars of market value. So it takes some courage to suggest that those billions and trillions may not be kosher one of my favorite arguments that people are using right now. Is you know companies. Wouldn't put money into this if it didn't work so isn't that proof that the ads actually work. That in fact is exactly what we heard earlier. From the unilever veteran keith weed the fact that coke and dove and ford have been around for decades and the fact that companies like unilever spend billions suggests that maybe advertising does work which is kind of crazy. Circular minds maze. If you think about it. But i do think that again. This is very parallel to the kinds of psychology. That had driven market bubbles in the past one reason to suspect that ads do you work. Well is the underlying assumption that firms lake unilever who buy so much advertising or as econo- one textbooks tell us profit maximize irs. So why would they waste so much money. Any the to tell you that firms are profit maximizing is not ever worked with firms again. The realistic picture of his that firms are composed of people and all of the foibles and shortcomings that people exhibit in their everyday life. They bring those to work with them. We steve to dallas the berkeley economist. Who worked for a time at what he thought of. Let's take on. The non profit maximizing behavior of allegedly profit maximizing firms as an economist Hearing you say that causes my stomach to hurt but at the same time. I know that you are absolutely correct to dallas by the end of his time at ebay. Come to think that his cynical view of advertising didn't go far enough he recalls the time ebay asked him to measure the efficacy of advertising. Think of bloggers who put in links to say company websites. Well we worked closely with the senior director in charge of spending the money on that and after a two hour intensive meeting. We figured out a way to do that to do that. Meaning to measure whether these affiliate links were really worth buying he turned to me and said you know steve if your results look as bad as they did for paid search. I'm not going to believe your numbers. Now was obviously shocked because it made me realize that religion and science is. What's winning this battle. But then i realized that it's something a lot more profound and for which. I actually have a lot of compassion. If you're working on something for ten twenty twenty five years this is part of your identity and this is part of what you believe in. And if i'm gonna prove that what you thought work so well in ways that you don't quite understand because you're not a statistician or income contrition and you have to take it at face value. What are you going to believe your gut that tells you that what you've been doing for the last twenty years is really influential. Or some egghead academic. That's showing you a bunch of equations that you don't understand and is claiming that you're wrong. This digital advertising issue is just part of a bigger conversation about the power of modern technology companies for their first few decades. They were pretty much given free reign. But now they're facing scrutiny over the breadth and depth of their power power both seen and unseen the. Us government has brought a major antitrust case against google facebook youtube twitter and frankly thousands of digital platforms and repositories stand accused of promoting misinformation and or mishandling user. Information given all that society probably deserves a better answer than a lot of companies. Pay a lot of money for advertising so it must work. I think the question isn't necessarily. Do you want it internet with ads or without ads. That again is tim. One the question is do you want an internet. That's just based on a huge monoculture. that's largely funded through ads. We're the most powerful companies use ads. Where vc's don't choose to invest. If you don't use add straight. And i couldn't believe suggests like no. The kind of internet that i want to see is internet. The has a bigger diversity of business models and where ads don't suck all the air out of alternative business models. I just think that's a much more robust market. I think it's a more stable market over time. And i think it's one that leads to much better outcomes socially and so i think that's my vote which is an internet that accepts many different ways of making money. We should also say that. Justice are ways of making money. There are many many many different forms and styles and purposes of advertising. Over these past two episodes we've talked about two of the biggest ad marketplace's tv and digital but there are of course many other advertising channels and within all these channels are countless variations local ads versus regional or national adds calls to action versus brand building ads about price versus ads about quality ads for new products or services versus established ones ads meant to inspire or entertain versus as just deliver information personally. Those are the ads. I respond to most learning some information. I didn't know about some product or service that sounds useful refund for me or my family. I can think of at least eight or ten things. I saw after first learning about them by voicing the advertisements that go on this podcast. Our business partners have told us that one reason. The podcast industry has grown so much lately is because advertising is particularly effective on podcasts. Given the intimacy of the medium. I have no idea if this is really true. But i want to believe it is. Why wouldn't i. It's my livelihood so you could say this puts me on both sides of the fence true believer and skeptic at the same time one might say is of intellectual laziness. Move right out of upton sinclair. But i'm gonna go with f scott fitzgerald instead. Here's how he wants the test of a first rate. Intelligence is the ability to hold to oppose ideas in mind same time and still retain the ability to function assuming i retain that ability for at least a bit longer. We will be back next week with another episode of freakonomics radio until then take care of yourself and if he can someone else do freakonomics. Radio is produced by stitcher and productions. This episode was produced. By daphne chen. Our staff also includes. Allison crowe mark clusky. Greg rippin xactly. 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Schedule your free product to a right now at nets week dot com slash fox net sweet dot com slash. Fox fuse to learn anything all year. So why start now. That's the less north american soccer. Podcasts myself angel. Bateson in nick thornton i was a bummer. Brench me over told me situation This is your ambitious. This is how we start eveleth playoff preview. Mls cup playoff preview. The play in round will begin. This friday The expanded field has been stat In in the schedule. I not only is been set but also we have learned is gonna be. There's not a lot of well. There's a little wiggle room. There's a little wiggle room there but not like fourteen days of wiggle room as we learned today. that from jeffrey carlile. Sp at espn did the planned League protocols around parana virus are going to be that first of all. they're not gonna do level tournament. Despite the fact that we have talked in many people have have mentioned like the idea. Are they going to be able to pull off a non bubble tournament the us l. couldn't for either it's championship wards league one But they're going to give it a shot in the way they're gonna handle. It is third going to try and reschedule games if teams have covered. Have cova positive players and had to reschedule. But if they can't fly alternative. The team that has the outbreak is going to have to withdraw from the postseason. Which on the surface of it okay. I understand the flawed logic. But as we've seen with continuing record cases in canada and the united states what happens if both teams have cases they both forfeit click great lakes which i feel like is also a very possible situation right like you would. I would think that if you couldn't get that play by the next around that both of the warp it in the next team gets by unless it's what if it's the final jason. The thing the thing is it's such a half-measure lake contingency plan because it's like well if you're just making so much more complicated than it needs to be. How is that easier besides the fact that it costs. Mls no money and they can just chalk it up to the teams I just answer man question like it. Just everything would have been easier and safer in a bubble and it just really makes all of the things they said. In the summer boats players safety and all of that which rang pretty hollow at the time just is really evident that that that doesn't mean anything to to mls that ultimately it's they're just gonna go ahead and risk things and see what happens is seems to be the policy. The whole idea is the whole idea of having a season. It's it's still like pretty bankrupt in general and the tournament itself was still risky. But it's like it seems over and over again what we put into practice. One week is completely Discarded the next week and you learn where we have a bubble. We had a bubble tournament and in a situation of high cases was a little bit of a mess getting players there but once we were there there was relatively little risk of of Of having issues in our new home market games where we let fans back and then when the tournament on orlando ended. Don garber was saying like we've learned a lot of things from this in order to schedule new season and so literally like it. It's just all being thrown out. It's like the things that we've learned. The emptiness of words that are being said by leaders everywhere right now is so maddening. So what did you learn. What specifically did you learn. The you're keeping like they had to they. I think the the number from the carlisle article was eleven. Matches got postponed due to Kobe and five of them. Of course were the rapids who who spent a long time not doing anything while that was happening and and there i understand there were differing differing opinions on what you do. Who do you. Who do you hold responsible for. A covid outbreak is it. Is it the person's fault it gets colored forgetting covid. Unless there's like. Evan know it's case by case if you can point to something that was responsible or whatever but ultimately i think that's a really dangerous line to walk in and i don't. I don't wanna hold anybody responsible that way. No and i mean. I know plenty of people in the states. That have gotten kofi. Who are wearing masks. Staying home social distancing like when you have a case load as high as it is in so many states even with the precautions It means that people can still get sick so that that added element as well. I mean like you said you just can't make that assumption. I guess so long as you technically have like fifteen players and to have a squad somewhat bench you could continue to play if everybody else tested negative but like it just. It seems like such a bizarre kind of like dark measure like and why is that like we had points per game used to decide playoff spots. We're gonna have like cases per team that like everybody else is not with no penalties. The the tea with the viewer gava cases winslet wins on a drawn penalty. It's just it's really it's disheartening. But here's the thing i. It frustrates me so much that the the the the matter of dealing with is so opposite like points per game no matter. It's a testy question while points per game leaned on the side of leniency towards we will you deserve to have a chance to qualify for the playoffs even if you even if you missed five games because yeah but now it's like but if you have covered cases you're going to automatically forfeit your playoff spot like what what was the point when it just put the whitecaps in and that's a great point ultimately it would have been better. It would have been a better point. If being over won a couple more games and finished above the rapids points did not but also i mean would the rapids if the rapids were coming back up. Five games thinking they had no chance of qualifying with. They have had the same results in their in their run. I mean will exist. It's it's inconsistent this var room decision making from game to game week to week. We don't know what the deal is going to be however on the bright side of things. There's a new jersey. i don't think. I don't think that you can discount the example of the us l. like ultimately they had. They had to throw both finals. Because you say that you'll you'll have every you'll have every effort they'll take every effort to To try and reschedule the game. But if you think what happened in the case of the final is is the. Those cases happened on the saturday before the game was supposed to play on sunday. And if that is in those situations where the team has been intense training There was just no. It really didn't seem like there was much discussion of what if we waited two weeks and tried to do it again into to do the final. Get in two weeks. It could could. Mls do that. Would they want to play a mls cup on christmas or cup. On new year's or emily's cup halfway through january. I think have the final right before the season starts next season. Here's my bummer. I posted this on twitter at all. Say this is. This is working it. I did my best to research. You know what you know in in decent looking who's available and who's not up molasses not only doing this. But they're also doing it. Right after international breakthrough. They're having players. fly home. The debate the rules to be able to bring players home on charter flights and a number have tested positive And they're gonna be this. This feels like the most fly by night. And i just thought based on the. Us alexander My prediction my playoff prediction is that. Mls cup will not be awarded in a match in twenty twenty it will be awarded by forfeit or it will be played man. You couldn't wait to say that. We talked about all the teams in predictions. I don't disagree. I gotta get it i gotta get it out of the way so that then so then we can have chil- soccer talk where you're like if this game is played help. How depressing is to try and go through. Think about what two teams is. F- chances weaving a soccer. Game are when you have to scour the world for sources on who does doesn't have covid and who is an is a trying to. He's almost like i mean that's gonna change as you're looking at it a great point. That's a great point but it just. We can talk about the sports. We can make other predictions. And i'll try to make other predictions. That aren't that bummer prediction. But but it also it does underscore the point like it. What is this season really. Tell us especially at this point. Certainly there's things that we've learned about teams over the course of the season. But you know if if a team that's been doing really well all season that we've watched and followed and they've been really good suddenly buckle does it. Is that really a story line. Does that make anybody feel good to be like. Wow philadelphia union to seem to lack focus like how does anyone focus. How do you feel safe. How do you. How do you play games when you think like if i contract cove it while i'm playing an away game for the play offs and i take that back to my family. There's just there's a lot going on and it just it would have been. I think relatively easy to just either. You know decide that the supporters shield was gonna be the deciding final trophy of the season or try to find a way to do this in a bubble but here we are in the strangest times having playoffs. That don't really need to happen but are going to happen and that will tell us something. Maybe about the sport every stage every stage. It's the worst decision. I'm going say as we get more into the talking about it. It's like to the people the players are still gonna give it as much of their all as they can. And i think that when you look at how things for for all the hue and cry around a but supporters shield trophy. I think that one of the things that i was most interested in was how many players voiced their Their issue with it. Because it's like that's the one thing wear a supporter shield. Maybe there's contract bonuses. Maybe there's not but it's like what the money aspect is not as tied to it as much as players thinking. I really wanted that trophy. I think that that it's not. This seems so hard to feel that it can be worth it but when you listen to players talk about the muslim back final and you listen to players dot with his worse shield. You listen to them. Talk with the playoffs It's worth it to them. And that will the unfortunately in longitude will not tell us who is actually bad. But that's and that's going to be unsatisfying because we're going to want to say well. These two teams have played in a game and one was better. One was worse. This goes back kind of the issue of who. Who do you punish for a cova detection. Who's if if one team pulls out the results. Does that mean the other team was was worse. Or does that mean that they are l. Afc and they're going to miss three players due to of are all key players. Yeah everybody ends up cases and everybody has to forfeit. Do we just give it to la galaxy. Like how is their system. For what if there's no teams left to play you. Cancel the tournament. Or do you go down to your ninth and tenth seeds to see if they're ok to play. I think the mls cup final is cover versus dc played at audi field love it. But that's what i think happens in that case i'm here for it. I mean yeah. It's it's an important framing before we dive into things. I mean like. I think all you can say best case scenario we get to watch more soccer that also we would all live perfectly fine and happy lives if we didn't get to watch soccer for awhile like anyway austin. Fz has a jersey. Do you know actually for all the mls articles Open this one. I don't know what it looks like. Well if anybody before it was like a little pessimistic you should focus on the the nicer things in life. they're really rubbing their hands together. Now so austin who's i think. They've signed a player maybe a couple of players and obviously delayed their entry into emma's but still making moves released their first ever kit today. It is green and black stripes. It is. I was going to ask you what your thoughts on it were. Actually i actually did see it while he's doing this. But because of the yetis sponsor ad. I thought it was a bit rate. Like i thought it was. I thought it was like. Oh that's a photo shop name. And i just like certain visually like filed away somewhere house giant branding on the front makes it look like a leaked fake image but that is the jersey it looks real now but i see i see that it israel. It's fine. I like a that sort of stripe pattern The green. Green jerseys are good. And i'm sure that that's going to that's going to appeal to Mexican american soccer fans. Maybe like mc. That's the one thing where i'm just like. Maybe let's appeal but the the thought that ran through. My head is hounding green on green teams. Are there and then. I remembered the the most popular soccer team in america. Yeah the like winning rhymes with flounders I i like the stripes. It's a classic football kit style and the colors are definitely a little bit more modern. It's certainly a little bit garish. But i i feel like you need just like ten percent. Garish ness in a in a kit to make it look good like it reminds me a little. Bit of the whitecaps are buddhist brown jerseys. At first glance you're like why but then you see it on a pitch and after while you're actually i kinda like this and it's really easy to pick out because you're like this is a very distinct jersey that looks like no other team like no one's gonna mix that one up. I was going to say like like that. That's what just to further. That's what rand my my my thought processes that i'm like are green. Jerseys like that even going to come across well on a jersey in the night thought of the the mexico practices that i own which is basically the same color right and. I think that it's clean like it doesn't have big shoulder stripes that every other is that the is are these sort of. Maybe the suggestions that we're not gonna see the big shoulder stripes It looks like the dynamo Dynamo alternate for next season is probably gonna have it because they had their their rebranding as well did it the altar to to different pastures who that they had. But we also haven't seen the main the main kits. I kind of feel like that jersey can get a little lost. But then you houston austin on the new the new houston logo kinda like yeah is like a line. Arty kind of thing yeah. I like the dash. The dash rebrand is good. The nwa was healthy. I i thought so too. I mean the thing that struck me was that houston made this big to do about rebranding exercise. And you know we're we're one team. And then keep the dynamo and dash is separate team names with different logos which are like they're more similar and i think that's great but i definitely feel like the dash. Got the better deal in in terms of like a classic looking but still modern in a little bit more like punchy logo and the houston dynamo. One looks like a baseball jersey. A little bit. And i i mean it's fine personally my houston dynamo. Rebrand would have included some dp defenders but apparently just so so the question you have to ask yourself is what do you ultimately the the parts of the jersey that are like quote unquote clever design. Like it's a hexagon strongest shape in the world. Don't matter time lake back line off to new things. Don't matter as much as is the hd work word mark will look good at a hat in our people in houston gonna wanna wear. All i know is that it's essential that next season we come back is that so. Mls football club so that people know offer certain that we talk about football because that seems to be a thing clubs or doing now so like if you can't chuck in there it's like you're not a real soccer club anymore and people won't know what to do with you. Well as as a team that also got rid of its cartoon speed writing as as the kept able to amazon. I we all learn to cope Eventually i do think that that At the same time as dynamo put the rest. The dash got rid of the clip art soccer ball. So hey where. Growth is not linear on that note John davidson previews of some games. Look through it beautiful so I don't really care where we start. But i i was thinking i'm really curious to know your thoughts on this one A match. I'm looking forward to and i think may actually tell us something about these. Two teams is new england. Montreal two teams that i think are pretty comparable I would say their their strength and weaknesses. Almost kind of cancel each other out. The difference has been that new. England has bested montreal believe three times this season in their meetings. So montreal's got a bit more work to do but for me. This is one of the matchups that i think is Is is going to be really interesting. Because from two teams that have done well at times two teams that have struggled at times and so i think it makes sense that they're facing each other it will. It will actually tell us something about who deserves to to be moving on. I am interested One of the things that i find really interesting about. This is that It seems like in the preamble. I you're right there. It's sort of like an even. There's there's almost even matchup numbers wise coming into it. The deposition from the coaches is almost like like bruce arena. Humbly saying that anri has done a great job in his first season in you you should given plots that and honoree saying that the the rebuild is more than one year. Don't judge us based on what happens here. Like they they both sound like post game interviews Yeah which is a weird tone to take before a game. That i think is like pretty like ellen say high stakes but again i just. I think it's an interesting matchup in something where montreal does kind of have something to prove and could come out a little bit more fiery of their their approach. But i mean it's also one of those things that i wonder how much of it is is a bit of gamesmanship of you know trying to lull your opponent to into into a bit of complacency and then come out and you really hit hit. The other team hard. New england gave their team the weekend off which ended up being good. When a player is said to have tested positive for covid is not clear which player that is. montreal will be missing seven pm because he got the red card. At the end of the last game An honorary told journalists. Mario legua. He will probably be missing. victor one yala. They're gonna be they're gonna be planning as though on yala is not gonna be able to make it and if he makes it that's great and that's because he's on international duty yes he is going to be on a charter plane coming back. But they're going to basically assume the prepared ahead repair without which is probably the right. The right thing to do I i think in terms of the things that that might possibly cancel each other or matter in a big way like new. England has had some amazing finishing at times. But it definitely has had little droughts like it's been here and there and and it hasn't been completely consistent. They're always a threat. But it's actually generating those into real chances in getting shots on frame that i think they've lacked a little bit. Which i think montreal does better that being said i think new england has certainly been more defensively consistent then. Y'all and with montreal's penchant forgetting red cards. And have i and it's something that i haven't heard on really address much And maybe it's not the most important thing I think you'd reaching the playoffs. With certainly a goal they achieved that and maybe everything is just icing on the cake right now but it'll be interesting to see if those things cancel each other out and it's a bit of just a slog that maybe ends up going to penalties or if it means we are gonna see a lot of goals because you're gonna have one team that's better finishing their chances in nineteen minutes better at defending so i think that the If you look at their ability that got out results certainly after montreal. Dc in new england lost in the last match. You'd think montreal has a little bit of mental to them but new england also doing lynn. Also got a gutsy win against dc on an. When it came to their last meeting it was really a case of like new england being able to freeze them out. And if you look at the lineup that montreal put out with those two teams last met montreal is going to have nothing in the midfield. If they don't have pm on yala they'd be. They did not have a lot of bench midfield bench strike at that time. It's true. yeah if you move you can you can bring bring defenders up and you can bring attackers down. But there's not they're going to the that part is going to be vulnerable. It really could be. I mean i still think. Montreal has good success on the wings and that will continue to help them if they can get the ball out. There would also say like as good as yet has been at four montreal. He's also been something of a liability. Let's not forget. He's not playing this game because he got a red card. So i mean for me. It's like well that could have happened in the playoff game as well and then montreal really would have been up against it versus this where they can plan ahead. You're right in terms of midfield depth. Montreal certainly has a much harder task to do. But i wonder if that in some ways may allow players like lappalainen and boy on a little bit more room to maneuver in rome and also creates a lineup. That new england hasn't likely played before so switching things up. I still think montreal's got the harder task but it might actually open up different tactical opportunities with a slightly arranged squad prediction. I'm gonna go with not my gut instinct. And i'm gonna say montreal. I think montreal is gonna win. Because montreal's proven me wrong a lot this season and all like all of the things i've said about them i think to be true and yet they've been able at times to just push through and get that something extra and i feel like they've been able to do it more times than new england but not against new england so this is a little bit of like a all seem really clever and amazing if montreal somehow wins but i'm prefacing my prediction with. I don't know how likely it is. But i feel like even with a smaller actual probability. Montreal might actually find a way to do it. What's your have. I have the same scoreline. As from the last regular season outing. New england three to new england three two. I'm gonna amnesty to one from montreal. I don't think it's going to be a ton of goals. I think it will be a little bit nervy. But i i mean i guess see what happens where where to next in the other eastern conference play a game the to expansion sides meet in their first ever playoff both starting their first ever playoff journey and having their first ever playoff encounter each other national se versus inter miami This is gonna be an interesting one. Miami certainly with it's With its win at the end of the season is gonna feel is gonna feel sprightly. I'm rodolfo pizarro. Is going to be back. But he but they are going to be missing kept andrea's who had a red cards Right here we're hearing from national that david dot com is to me back from ankle injured. And they're hoping they're going to get randall. Lille back in time so hopefully not too many Big mrs in other lineups walker zimmerman picked up. Mls defender of the year sandwich. If if you're at l f c fan who needed some good news this week means that l. Ese is going to. It ain't it. Well no the play bind. He's gonna get rehired thousand in right there from their performance bonuses were bonuses to the team good did a business. This is i they had similar stats offensively. They had amount of goals. Miami gave up way more in terms of goals in. I think as much as you could look at miami coming into that. Last game of the season in winning it against cincinnati and in nashville his looked great They look great when they're winning the look great when they're losing. I i gotta think that this is gonna be definitive in their favor. Yeah i think so too. I mean this one feels maybe a little bit easier to call. And less of a tossup. I think inter miami really has their backs up against a wall and big task forgotten about the red card to raise which is obviously going to be a challenge. Because he's been the on field leader For them not just a name but in in in the way he's played. You know miami at times can look a lot. More dangerous offensively but nashville has been so just tight at the back. I really inter. Miami has not generated enough sustained pressure against any team. This season that i really feel like nashville can't just hang on and find a way to bang hetero too so i'm going to say nashville to nothing. There are also have that same thing if the if inter inter start spreading because they're a things are falling apart. I in their own area. They're not gonna be able to get anywhere close to what you're going to need to To knockout nashville. I in their first engagement here in these playoffs. Do you have a prediction for a goal line. Oh yeah two hundred nine you. Yeah i mean inter miami. Overall as disappointing of season as they had in many ways i felt like i saw a lot of the pieces coming together over time and i think that's really encouraging but nashville's just always looked the more complete team for most of the season i think for both teams making it almost like really. You could almost argue france. I'm should expect to be here. And they should expect some more Because of how well they've done but if you think of of of The challenges that national had playing games due to covid. And you think the challenges that miami had in terms of Really challenging period near the end of emma's back and once they returned Just results wise. This is you know job done in the first year that they've both got to this and the cats more that's more for for miami who we look things like. It could be way worse than it is now. Yeah yeah that's a good point Two teams that have you know i. I feel like so quietly in some circles. In less quietly and others who who've had a lot of success this season is orlando city and new york city. Fc this is going to be a really interesting. Eastern conference matchup I think we've we've all seen what orlando can do. I think we can now safely certify them as a good team even though you and i said that last season but This this is going to be another think really tight match. There's not a lot that. I don't like about new york city f c but their their lineup is a little bit thin and the attacking depth that they've had in previous seasons isn't quite there that being said i feel like their game has opened up a little bit and they seem to be playing a little bit free year and have become a bit unpredictable and in a in a way that benefits them so you know and for orlando the no problem banging in goals certainly when they have the momentum going their way they look as dangerous as any team in emma last but the defending has just not quite been there the goalkeeping issues they've been able to solve but i'm still not entirely convinced by this backline the at times just gets very leaky in orlando is great at sending numbers forward but i think new york city. Fc's is pretty good at absorbing that kind of pressure maybe not as airtight as they They have been in previous seasons. But i still feel like this one is going to be new york city. I've seen in the end. I think that this is definitely one that that you could think of as a call up as early as a toss up because You're right to appoint that the that the rate to a point that the lineup is. I do think that if you if you look at how things have gone on if you look at how things have gone for them the assistant. Today's working really well in terms of getting a bunch of different phases involved offensively and they've really been caused big problems for teams that way whether or not it's kosta analyst. Who's been doing great. Or gary stevens or maximum is or or alex rain like they have. They have a number of different threats that they could turn to. It's true what i meant. Maybe depth is the lack of dp depth in those key positions But yeah you're right. That's a much more precise wave looking at. I think that they're going to cause a lot of. I think both teams have in great form and both of them are working really well. Offensively in certainly new york city is going to cause a lot of problems for brian row. So the question is going to be Can throw gum up. Those works i it. I think that's slightly more likely. I think these teams could just as easily have shootout. i have predicted orlando to nothing. All right 'cause i think if orlando dozen they'll win because the wheels somehow near they've made new york city's wheels fall off. It's a good point and certainly we've seen teams do that. Team new york so yeah. That's a distinct possibility. This is definitely one of those ones where it's like. I got a pick side. And so i'm making a choice but if orlando winds i'm not gonna be like like i feel like new york might win and also it's not something unprepared to put a bunch of did you have. Did you have a number a not. Sure if i caught a scoreline there. Yeah i'm saying new york city three orlando one. That's a scenario in my head. Where i think orlando defensively if they fall apart for even ten or fifteen minutes new york could really hit them so i don't think it would necessarily be a blowout but just new york on the counter and exploiting areas in In bind orlando's defense but we'll see your prediction is also something arm like yep. That could totally happen. So but it it. It's definitely gonna be watching. Put it that way. New york new york city is injury free and according to rally deli who also expects to have count out couns back from international duty right. I'm for color for the other. Half of new york columbus being the red bulls will go to columbus for their first anti and they will have access to head coach. Gerhard's tuber who is making the his appearance. Finally after getting a work permit himself in his assistant. Yeah it's weird. He's been in the job but not actually coaching the team. For like almost a month. I think right prompster bradley carol for getting the getting the getting them there in those in those circumstances getting the team to the the the plows being like now you are not even going to be the first assistant. Yeah i mean it's this one for me. Is maybe a little bit a clear cut case not that the red bulls didn't have a strong finish and show that they're still capable of scoring multiple goals. I struggled to remember a single Like let's say top eight team this season that they've handled particularly well Were more than a one game. Sort of fluke thing whereas the only thing that there's been some fluke around with columbus is the fact that they've conceded some goals and lost some games but overall a really complete team depth in midfield depth and defense depth and they're attacking they've this is mario andretti. You know me as a racecar driver. I'm also a meals on wheels volunteer. I've raced against the sport's biggest personalities. 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We don't i don't necessarily think that new york has been on the same level. Both in terms of their attacking. Chaos that i have enjoyed in past seasons but they have seen occasionally chaotically still have great players on defense but major positive is still a bit chaotic. That's such a a sesame like they haven't been good. They've been a little bit chaotic and it's really weird. It's been weird but columbus is expected to have artur back from a strained ankle. Darlington nagbe says players are taking extra precautions. With cases spiking ohio gates which not for diabetes a wonderful personnel. He and he and he has an are safe but like just the situation. Yeah it it bad. I mean so seems like you're calling this one on columbus way. What do you think the the final damage is going to be. I think the if you look at the numbers They have similar shots from our columbus. Have seven more goals. Ten fewer goals conceded doesn't and no they won the only encounter this year to nothing particularly well for anyone. That's not going. They will win this to three nothing about a three. That's hilarious going to be. I don't think it's going to be particularly close. We're so much closer this year than i think we've ever been. I have the exact same scoreline. I mean like yeah. I feel like red bulls have the the goal scoring ability and i think against any other team. They might be able to exploit that museum. Brian white have some flashes this season of what he showed last year. But i i mean it's it's just it's crew all the way isn't it. I feel like this is going to be a kind of a warm up. Match for them in red bulls. Prove me wrong like i think. The rebels will come in. Give a strong account for themselves. But i don't think it's going to be enough and the goals will come before we move. Let me just your notes because we were going to have different because of who you called. You're going to have slightly different i think you're going to have slightly different match up tonight. I am Before we move out of the the Eastern conference the first round matches. The these teams will go to go to counter. I'm i'm trying to look up. i'm trying to look up the The playoff seedings for your for national montreal is your is yours scenario which is slightly different. Mind because i have a new england going to philadelphia. And i think i got a call at affiliate because i think they have Really great and i think that they're going to really look to to have the looked at up end the season really conclusively they're gonna to make an example of whoever they faced in the first round so i think they would be new england and i think that should nashville qualified. They would have. They would have a very very interesting game with toronto That they would lose interesting. Yeah i mean admittedly. I didn't look that far ahead. 'cause i i was like let's just see what happens for strength the games i know there's teams lying in wait. I also think that all the teams better lying in wait to find out who they're going to be playing are better than all of the teams that are playing before them. So i tend to kind of agree. I think nashville could edge toronto I saw an interview that was done. This week with greg vanney. The man looks tired. He says he's tired. The team is tired. I just don't know that they have it in them. This season as good as they've been at points and as much as we know. Toronto has can really dig deep and get results. I think if they're facing nashville nashville is completely ready to for that caliber of play. And if toronto wins. I think it'll be a close one. The i think they're primed they're definitely primed a sort of a shock debut. Yeah in the playoffs a dance. Something like that and nashville. I feel like they've had such a good season and have such a good structure. I think like you. You wanna be a bit more ambitious with your goals. And i'm sure they're happy. They're in the playoffs. But i think winning that first scheme should be absolutely the objective and and you know this is going down the territory of sports cliches of like well. I think they're going to try to win. Of course but. I think that they have the ability to do that as well. I think that they will be slightly aggrieved themselves if they had such an amazing season and they don't go on to at least reach a conference final. Here's a question with your narrative of toronto. Being feeling tired by the end of it is how how restful in regenerative will have their their period returning home to train in toronto before them and will just the act of having to go back to hartford sap that energy. It's a great question. I don't know how restful anything is right now especially traveling even if you do get to go home and see your family. We know cases in toronto are spiking and ontario vivid disaster zone as well so like my short answer to that is i. Don't i don't think it's gonna help. Necessarily i don't think any team is really getting a lot of training time in together so i don't think it will necessarily beat the difference maker in the end greg. Vanney knows how to prepare his team and they have shown a lot of grit this year to grind things out even when they haven't gone their way but they look tired team and they're a team that's been more prone to errors because of that. I think i think what is interesting in. The eastern conference is that Both the one in the two seeds are going to meet. I think good teams that have had to pull out a result already once in this In this playoff year whereas sporting kansas city is gonna play san jose earthquakes. And it's going to happen. San jose conceded one more than twice the goals of sporting. Kansas city fifty-one twenty-five and is that bad. Or while scoring only three hundred. Thirty eight to fifteen inch about thirty more shots San jose is going to have the better Team sheet potential early. The better lock on the team. Sheet apparently catchy lopez with or all expected back from international duty. Could he erez zucchinis. Uc are out with injuries in alabama does day for or against city so they definitely have the sightly challenging and of it and they also have an odd. These teams have not met all year. So this is going to be. That's true quite a quite a place with to meet. I have the quakes have got wild results. Not this wild Sporting kansas city. Three one wakowski scores the logo for san jose. And here. i you were a believer We all know it's going to be hurtado scoring the winning goal I yeah. I totally forgot. They haven't actually played this year. I don't think that works for san jose. Though i think san jose's way to win against a team is play them three times on that third meeting. They're gonna throw everything in the kitchen sink at them. The look the only important straight line that matters to me is. Chris wanted to ask you said he wants to play for another year because he's still gas in the tank so i don't care what happens anymore. Chris wanderlust probably probably going to be back next season. And that makes me very happy It have been there were there. Were so many weird thing. That's not bad things. Chris waddle whence you mentioned out an amended prediction slightly knocked off one goal for s k c s casey. I i think. I think it's going to be a blowout. I mean all evidence. Points that way. San jose yes at times has shown they have the goods. Skc's ma like every team and mls is better defensively you. Let's acknowledge san. Jose got themselves into the playoffs. And that's incredible. Given the year they had in the amount of goals conceded. That's nothing short of a miracle. I think they've used up all the soccer gods good favor just getting here and sporting kansas city have been electric. If san jose wins this it will be the biggest upset of the playoffs. And i'm just going to be like well. Maybe earthquakes win this year. Just take on the cop. Sporting kansas city across the board. A better team have performed better have been consistent. I think peter vermes is going to have their number pretty easily and they're very smart sharp tactically minded team. San jose is not And i think that dot. It's gonna be a bloodbath. The earthquakes in opens understood as we're in kansas city. Maybe but your that's a that's a bold number. But i don't think it's a wrong number. Sporting kansas city missouri san jose conceded more than four by four goals or more six times in the course of seasons so yeah and like if some of the teams that did that to them. You think like they've never gotten results like that and sporting kansas city is punished. Lots of teams for lots of goals. So i i mean who knows. Maybe it will be tighter in the end. Of course it is the playoffs in so san. Jose might be bringing their surprise antics with them. It could very well happen. It may be it. May well be closer. I still think that another very possible. Scenario is sporting kansas city. Wins like five to four. But i don't think that's super likely minnesota colorado the gentleman's agreement game but unlike their their last their last meeting with the gentleman's agreement Kamara is is is traveling via every means of transport available to him. Coming from sierra leone. So he's he's really has his work cut out for him to get home. Jerry's gotta of the Of the minneapolis star tribune reported that he had to take a motorboat to his charter plane. To get there on time But he is. He's on his way Michael blocks villas back from injury. The the other three internationals that kamara near a finished his His his playing duties. And i think he's on his way back. But i understand it. Robin load and john gregory's played today as we speak so that's gonna be challenging for them in terms of Taking a back in time diego rubio a had a kobe. Scare didn't get it but as a result came back early from chile camp. So he's been quarantining in he'll be okay so it all. I think that a lot of it will depend for minnesota on how many of those players they can get back. Minnesota had four more goals and two fewer conceited and take way more shots than than colorado. Yeah oh yeah this is. This is where my gut is telling me. One thing and i think literally anything could happen. I think minnesota has. I know more and more people are kinda getting wise to the fact that they just keep winning games and are a much much improved team. This is so hard because colorado has been so unpredictable. But i'm gonna say minnesota to one. I think that's a. I think that's a good prediction. I also have minnesota to one. I have it on penalties. That's my that's my little a moderate my little fancy spin on it. Because i i agree. I think it could be really close. I think that these are two teams that have had a lot of momentum. One win one draw the season. Yeah it's a hard one to. Because normally i just default to cheering for the underdog. And you know everybody. It's no secret that we like the rapids around here. But i also just feel like minnesota's been so so underrated for the last two seasons despite getting almost everything right in building a really impressive squad With with lots of different gears and looks to them. So probably. I feel like i'm gonna be cheering a little bit for colorado to somehow get this one but i eat. I still think it's gonna be minnesota nina after. Take it on. Honor that the That they're not gonna reseed depending on what happens in the other rounds. 'cause i don't see anybody. I don't see any suggestion that they are going to receive between rounds so the winner here would go to sporting kansas city and this that would be an interesting matchup for minnesota. But i do kinda feel that this is their you know in maybe not as strongly as philadelphia replaced but like this is terry year to prove that they are you know they want to be in the conversation as it were. Yep totally agree Another i think potentially close one Is portland Fc dallas limb excited. Tell me more and fasten your new it. You think about this game now i. It was a little harder for me to find player information on this one. Indy polo for portland is on a charter plane. Somebody took a screenshot of his instagram story. So i just checked mars instagram. See where he was. Seems like he's gonna make it back to the continental states in time. A a wonderful gift for fc dallas in this international break is that players that had dimissed some of some of the last couple of games. Fafa bacau franko hara and brian. Kosta are all back in training. So that's gonna they're gonna love that no meetings again between those two teams this year. Yep portland lead goals for forty six to twenty eight and have better goals against thirty five twenty four. I believe. I lead goals for and against what i meant when i wrote that. No doubt whether or not against the terms of they had mortals for. I think that must be it. I think i think dallas at just had like a tight number of goals for and against but nothing particularly in one direction or the other. So i think portland concede slightly more will be fresh but still portland. It's it depends on how fresh because we definitely saw we definitely saw the timbers. Get tired and give up some weird results towards the end of the season. That's that's an and important question. I think is is. It's not is portland. Good enough to win. It's portland good enough for a full ninety minutes against opponent to win or not. But i feel like that's a question. A lot of timbers fans are going to be asking themselves as well driven number to provide that. I'm this really really tough. I think it's going to be three to dallas food spicy. I have a two one portland with a ninety minute winner. I like it. Could i mean that's a distinct possibility. We've seen that before to one. You said right yes. I'm writing this down so we can revisit these all that's good. I wonder whether or not some of these predictions are just like Sort of like my brain doing like an a. I neural thing like what are. Mls game results. You remember like like. Are they predictions or are they just things that happened in the past. I feel like that's not the the worst approach this season. I mean season. We're literally anything could happen and has happened many times over. I mean we are just taking a wild shot in the dark here and i will be ecstatic if we get even one of these the final game in the first ramp silapa-archya la at seattle behalf as various of course In normal times someone was ordinary circumstances to have a lot of people salivating. This also looks like the game that is going to be affected by covid the most You know how i would. I wonder given the fact that this this cove and proud of what protocol has only been reported and not announced whether or not there may be some Changes between now and the time that it comes out because if you can think of i would be a bold. It will be a bold planner who Who signed the ink on a protocol that would have l. Afc disqualified from the first round of the playoffs Given given what they to do in analyze in to do it's also true that if there was ever any problem that they would try to reschedule and yet in the question terms of what tried to reschedule beans and how much time there is to do that is is of course. Different antsy atl. I think that games on wednesday. Yes on tuesday or wednesday so there's time In the other thing that would prevent a big team. Outbreak is at the players who have tested. I think tested i international break right so That should be nicer. That should be like. Obviously there could be concerns to chew issued and the have depth as well. But it's a challenging. It's not where you want to be When you're when you're facing the higher seed in seattle or you're going to seattle play seattle A team i think that has looked pretty unformed. They've had some weird slip ups. But i think the offense is working well The defense is exploitable -able but it's pretty good in the goalkeeper is great like this is l. A.'s can have to be very good to be able to To avenge their playoff defeat from last year. Yeah absolutely got a number to put on them notes. I got four three on penalties. Interesting reclosed if. I've seen anything from the that. These these western conference clashes is that there's all his one that's just like let's just score goals until we're done. Well let me generally. That's the idea. But what do you got. Its i agree. I totally agree with everything that you've said. Obviously seattle has been the stronger team. More often i think l. afc Diego rossi tested positive for co fed. So it it's a question mark as to whether or not he'll be available with marc anthony k but also with carlos villain back. There's a lot of question marks but what we've seen this season with l. Afc is that they have really struggled defensively and and that has also hurt them going forward because they're not able to just command the pitch like they in previous seasons. So i'm going to say four to for seattle and not going to peak as i think l. afc like you said seattle's exportable l. Afc will get some chances. If carlos villas on the pitch he'll score I think seattle can still do some real real damage here. And just you know the image of jordan morris running at l. afc's back line right now is is something that sticks out in my head where you will get at least a goal in at least in assist i think against this already like kind of weakened l. Afc side that i think will be. It'll be a good match and they'll put up a good fight but for me l. Afc's just missing too many key pieces and this is really unfortunate. Because it's one of those games like a match up where you want everyone available and it should mean more but i think seattle win and i i think in a different year it could go a different way but i feel like that's the way it's gonna go this season. I would agree. And i think that it is going to be. I think one of the ones that is focused on I think it made it almost be more focused on if it happened earlier. But it's i feel like it's going to feel like a little bit of an afterthought a little bit right. Yeah you have written down on the notes that you gave me so stupid. Low hake with article questions. Yeah i mean. We saw a bunch of teams. Were giving out awards last week. And mls is announcing their awards leading up to the playoffs. Congratulations andre black for andre bleak for goalkeeper of the year Did anybody else win a walker. Zimmerman is great right. I think all i saw somebody win. Humanitarian player was. Yeah i can't remember either any who's larry's I mean not. Even sure if they're awarding tournament mvp or not but if they are Who do you think is likely to emerge at the end of everything Regardless of who the final teams are in the final. What are your thoughts. I'm here Announced the emily's cup twenty twenty tournament. Mvp it is. Open the envelope here. Covert all sterile decay. That'll be the those are real really strong guesses. Yeah that's a great guest I feel like. I mean this is the last. We're gonna see brenden aaronson. I think philadelphia as we've discussed plenty. I feel like this is. It's theirs to lose really And brenden aaronson has really improved his game. This season he's going to of course be off to salzburg following this season. So i'm i'm going to say i'm i'm expecting him to have a really great tournament and make a lot of impact. Plays so that my pick Other questions for me i do. I mean i think in some ways you could probably say all the teams dark horse teams this year because who thought we'd be here but is there a team that stands out to you as a more darkhorse then not just an underdog but a team. That's gonna come in and and really upset things. Do you think that there is that team this season. My predictions are going to contradict. Answer here but i think our conversation has made me more certain that it's national could be that if daschle win against toronto. All bets are off. Yeah you know that. It's necessarily fair to minnesota to call them at dark horse. Because they've been really good. But i i feel like probably not a lot of people are expecting them to go super far and i think that they're going to pose a lot of challenges to every team they play. So i'm gonna say minnesota a really good. I think that this is absolutely a year like that. Where it's like other than the fact other than me say darabi kids like in a way that way you you could call orlando. Dr course you can pull the western conference champions for kids city at. Yeah exactly just talk about like. They don't get talked about the types of that way because they're more quietly good while orlando now not necessarily orlando but or i don't want a trophy this year in one. It's nothing against minnesota. And i think adrian eath is probably very happy to have the attention turn to other teams and and be flying under the radar. I think that's not a lot of the reason. Why but i certainly think it's a good ten percent of the reason why minnesota has been so good is because teams kind of underrate them and don't line up while against them and minnesota with very few exceptions has been really really strong as unit on the pitch. So what do. I think they're going to win a cup. Probably not. But i think they're going to go further than many people expect now. Just sorry go ahead since. I wanna ask a question okay in in. I know that this is going to be america's you didn't get a you get a chance to prepare. I got a chance to perf your questions. So i apologize okay. What team is going to be the most disappointed by whatever result. They get possible. Scenario is a team is disappointed that they win or lose the final. Yeah you know what that. It's a really hard question. Might i mean eliot seems like the easy answer so not gonna go there and stormed out of an interview again. I mean we've very well may see that there's a high probability that happening even if they do win. I think it's probably gotta be colorado. They've been through so much to get here and showed so much fight and been a lot better. Look just as as a team all over the place. They've been even with a lot of changes. This season i mean chi- kamara was something of a goalscoring revelation and they lost him and they started doing better so like i. I feel like they've got a really really hard job in front of them against minnesota. But i think they're going to be pretty disappointed with themselves. If they're not able to get a result there and yeah colorado final answer. What about you thinking about this team. Losing in the final Were brought to my lips and it would be a word of sadness and it would be philadelphia. Yeah there's no. There's no reason that they should. They should feel bad about a season where they won the supporters shield but it is remarkably challenging to win both trophies and i'm sure that they would be crushed if they went to go play seattle lost. Yep and you know a very possible. Matchup is them versus the crew. And if there's a team that can unseat them you gotta think columbus as good a shot as anyone so yeah i think. That's that's a great answer. But i should also say whatever running guys get his great. It's been a tremendous season first trophy. Don't feel too bad about it. And i hope i i hope it's i guess you jakes a team. By saying they'll lose because it's just a prediction jigsaw team. By saying i'll win. So maybe this'll be a reverse jinx. Maybe you maybe philadelphia that are getting mad two mad at me enough to be able to save even when things first certain like a team is going to win. It's mls so it's highly possible. They won't my last question to you is if if it does come down to toronto and seattle who in the final who will score the winning penalty because we obviously know it's gonna be nil male or one and then go to peking who scored the toronto. I have jordan morris. Yeah you got. If you also said more as i. I have a second. I haven't second one. Is it roman torres ritchie laura. Oh right yeah yeah. Yeah okay okay. Those are good predictions. That would be an amazing canadian. Soccer story ritchie lereah one analyst cup through a pk. I'd be all about that. I'm okay with that that result. But it's got to be laura that scores that that would be very good I'm trying to think if we had any other molesters the jersey the jersey sales list came out the top the top. Twenty five highest. Selling jerseys will shock you. How did i do that you are. I think that it said here. You're twenty six. You're not on the list now for gains better than last year. number one carlos failure number two teacher reto laboratory just martinez. Who his in. You know. an absence in this playoffs. We got we got say his name at least once in the in the breed even though atlanta we're not mere in he's been he's been injured. He has missed number four jordan. Morris number. five role. Fo- pizarro with eglin ninety three boys maturity and brennan arison making up the remainder of the top. Ten mean that tracks. If i could say mornings at you in a roughly discernible order. Valeri pidonia char Diego chara pa- lido madero. Edison florez from defeat. Giguere osi johnny russell. Chris waddle ascii. Jonathan sanchez ship on walker. Zimmerman lucas. on who. I think when newcomer of the year that was another one that was that was handed out christine. Wall dan in the the player who sold slightly more jerseys than you think. You're bunko easing. I guess joseph martinez still managed to score a goal this year. Despite only playing one game. I believe so true that does put him on par with katrina in terms of output. All might just a tornado though playing. I never thought that you had to throw in something pissy at the end ellie galaxy. Don't get to talk again for a long while love. Well don't worry house got insulted to To talk about if you if you want to you gotta press. Go not in la. Not sure by the way speaking of of yourself They are coming back at the beginning next season in march with a multiple location challenge cup. They have innovative. They have what they're presley off and an innovative twenty twenty one framework which is Which is a cure competition framer. 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Here's dave grave line for the weekend of friday november twenty seventh twenty twenty our twenty fifth year on the air. A very happy thanksgiving weekend to thank you for tuning into tomorrow. I am dave grave line coming to you from the decks com g six studios make knowledge. You're superpower for managing type. One diabetes visit dax m dot com. And who are you. And what are you thankful for. I'm chris grave line. And i'm just thankful to be above ground up well. There is a lot to that since we both survived covid at least so far anyway still dealing with the aftermath of same but Fortunately you were never in the hospital. So we're thankful for that thankful that after about a month i got out of the hospital managed to escape lots to be thankful for. Yeah we're thankful that we only had a flood not a fire in our studios. Oh my gosh bite your tongue. Our control room and tv studios flooded flooded for like three inches of water. People say that's nothing well. 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We're bringing a sort of a a best of some of our highlights from our broadcasts that three months ago you because you might have missed at least a half a dozen of those interviews if you tune in of course at various times so this week on this thanksgiving weekend while we give thanks especially thanking you for tuning into tomorrow of our staff is off as well. So that's why it's the best of and allow us to show our thanks to you by sending you prizes when you participate on the show you can call us anytime. Eight hundred eight nine nine into. That's eight hundred eight nine nine four six eight six. Our next guest is with a company that's creating a new. A are toy market augmented reality toy market very cool stuff that reveals fantastic worlds by connecting toys and games and one would think well. Haven't we done that already. All the well not necessarily but the ceo of augmented robotics is doing just that. Tony nigga. welcome into tomorrow. How are you sir. thanks for joining us. Hey dave thank you so much for having me. I'm doing very well how you doing. I'm doing much better. Thanks. we're we're doing. Well the cool thing is that you were of course at ifa in berlin where we could not attend for the first time and in eighteen years. Something about the e eu. Not letting us americans in that. In the fact that christian i recovering from the rona. So the fact is that you were there. And we're able to talk about not only ignited. Robotics guys are doing but show people how you are connecting toys and games. I tell us a little bit about Augmented robotics the company itself. And then. let's get into what you're doing. Sure thank you. Thank you well at politics. S you already mentioned before our aim is to put ties to the next level. We want to connect toys with cool stuff that kids know from the computer games and the best of is they don't have to stay inside actually to enjoy the games that they're used to. They can go outside actually in the nature With our favorite toy and experience those fantastic worlds in augmented reality around their favorite toy engand. And that's even better because now you're encouraging the kids to get outside and breathe some nice air and enjoy some physical activity perhaps even though they're using augmented reality it it allows them. It sounds to me to kind of immerse themselves in the game where they couldn't before. Yeah exactly exactly. This is what we're trying to to encourage the kids to take the creativity you know. They're daydreams in the end you know and we have the technology to put. These daydreams into reality everywhere wherever they are. They can enjoy those amazing games. We sta favorite ties. And maybe just explain a little bit about our company augmented robotics. We're actually spin off of the technical university of carlin. Yes so it's really a techie. Come yeah i remember. We passed the technical university every year every day to and from the hotel and the fairgrounds. So we're very familiar with one day. We'll have to go inside and actually see what's there but apparently folks like you are there. Yeah yeah it's it's a christian university seriously. i can only commanded. Like most of my co-founder actually all of my employers on studied maths and space engineering. So what we did. There was building rockets. Satellites and mask rovers. So it's a great place to be so you're telling me tony that rocket scientists actually started this company. How how did rocket scientists get into toys and games or was it a pretty logical step to say. Hey look at the stuff we're doing it's kind. It can be considered toys and games but on a much higher level. Let's actually do it. Yeah exactly very good question actually Well as we grew up in an environment of aerospace engineering we also worked restaurants a lot and we had privately hobby projects actually on the side. my founders f guinea and patrick and me and what are Side hobby project was to create drones with a our content so we wanted to have like virtual drowns like spaceships next to us and fight each other in the air. Can this to be a bit too difficult in the beginning so we started little taika and we figured out. It was already a lot of fun. Actually doing that. Little prototype and then we went to the toy industry and said i'll look at our little prototypes and saying you would be interested in actually and they got huge is yeah definitely. We want to integrate technology into our products. And this was basically the start awful as so. Then how is it that you integrate them and could you give us some samples or ideas. How how what the kids might already be familiar with. And you're taking it to that next level. Sure sure sure so. Imagine you're having a radio controlled toy that you're that you're used to from your child like a car or something you know usually what you could do is just like drive forward backward left right or whatever and that's it without technology you can maneuver cars your smartphone and you see virtual objects in real environment like coins to collect treasures or like obstacle sense on and you can even play it with our kids so you can shoot virtual tattle set each other and so on so it gets let it s a layer of more content around the already existing ties varies can do you like. I can show you a video please. That would be awesome because we would like to get a better idea of how it all works here. Okay let's let's have a look at this video. Mario little maya and what you're doing. Is you put our little device. A tub enables you control it with your smartphone and then s you can see now you can collect these coins you okay so so folks that are not yet being able to watch the video at into tomorrow dot com listening on the radio. You're watching on your phone and able to see mario in his cart running around in this case a sidewalk and on your phone. You're seeing coins or various treasures that you would pick up in a game that you're able to do at that point which i think is very cool. I mean that that's certainly sets you aside from just somebody playing the game and yeah sure picking up the coins and whatnot but you actually have in this case of physical toy. That's running around on the sidewalk or in the house or wherever you might be. That's i think that's very neat yet. It's cool and two kids love it. We tried it with with many kids and we always surprised on how they react with it and what they're doing with it because the kids interact with our products in different way than we could imagine. And it's It's a lot of fun to watch the kids play with sure they can get real creative. I'm assuming there are two. They can tony tell you what. Let's go ahead and play with mario and his cart for a couple of minutes. Pay a couple of bills during a commercial break and come right back. We're talking with the ceo of augmented. Robotics tony niche. Thousands of people contact invent help monthly about their invention or new product. Do you think companies would be interested in your idea. Do you want to try to get a patent call. Inventhelp now best of all the call and information are free invent help. Keep your idea confidential explaining every step of the invention process we create professional materials and submit them to companies who are looking for new ideas in your category. 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Six make knowledge your superpower for elliptic compatible smart devices visit decks dot com slash compatibility if your glucose alerts readings from the six do not match symptoms their expectations. Use a blood glucose meter to make diabetes treatment decisions. Welcome back tomorrow. I'm dave grave line. We're talking with the ceo of robotics. Tony niche. How is your company admitted robotics different than than say lego nintendo and that sort of thing. Because you know as i when they're introducing physical toys as well but you guys are are a bit different anyway. Yeah yeah sure. Legal and nintendo are great companies. You know they're doing an amazing job and They made products as well. They do a little bit of augmented realty yet and good products you know. Don't get me wrong. They have they have an awesome portfolio. But what we are doing in the end is a step a boss. This will really focusing on. Is the interaction between the wheel. Product anti world. You know our augmented reality is not just a little gimmick around. you know. it's demane game in the end and also legal and intendo only offering their own products of course and we are technology provider. Meaning that we offer these kind of technologies to other companies from the game industry for them to Upgrade their toys to get into the time of digitalization. So i love that idea so folks that are not lego or nintendo related or oriented. Still have an opportunity to get with you for example. An augmented robotics and say we'd like our toys to be able to do this as well. And i'm sure you'll open the door and say come on in. We can make that happen and then be able to be doing. Yeah i love it now. Artificial intelligence and toys. I'm assuming that that's got some of our audience thinking. That sounds a little scary. Ai and toys a mean. At what point have we gone too far or can we or you know what's what's doing with toys. Yes sure and this is a very good point and we just want the deep tech awad. Last last. Actually in germany for donald's was the best artificial intelligence. Well grab thank you. And but we're not doing skynet or anything like evil from terminator good intelligence. Like at official intelligence isn't using personal data or trying to influence you in your personal behavioral and doing what we are doing with these artificial intelligence this detecting the wheel objects that toys in the environment in order to from a technical point of view. Make it possible that these toys interactive digital content. So it's more like a indoor navigation system are artificial intelligence and it has nothing to do with anything evil kind of thing so parents need not be worried at all. You're doing the right thing and again since you talk about So much research and watching kids interact in their excitement. You're obviously going to continue to take care of the kids and not scare them. Either you want them and other companies to be involved to do this on a very positive manner. I think it's safe to say tony that you're assuming that augmented reality is the future of toys. I mean we're gonna see a lot more a are into tomorrow as it relates to toys. Yes definitely definitely well. Just think back to the time when you were a child not known you had a long long long ago. Because i'm thinking about that like maybe even as an adult. You know you try fronting your you know of what could be possible. S keats you mentioned like knights and dragons or cowboys fighting each other and with our technology. We are actually able to do that. You know to let these dreams come reality and as we we're able to do that as technology is at this stage you know you'll have to see from a company. Perspective like every product is competing with every other product. You know anti industry is facing a huge huge huge challenge to compete this digital products and an auditor to stay competitive They have to integrate some kind of digital internet products. And this exactly what we're offering with out taking their main product. They're hot way the main idea. We just added a little bit around and make it interesting for the kids and competitive with digital products. Do you foresee and you may already be doing this. But even maybe from in this case you were showing us a little video of mario and his cart. Do you see maybe from mario's perspective as well so that somebody is looking at At if they were driving the cart going around picking up the coins and things is that part of what you're able to do or we'll be doing do think yes. Actually this was our initial idea. Yes beck and that's what we try to sell to retire industry. And they were a little bit scared of cameras in. There's that privacy issue understandably exactly and depress ours is not that cheap. Neither could offer that and actually business. What nintendo is doing. Now you know. They develop a car like that. It's great you know so. I am hoping with nintendo. Doing this awesome product at a company will jump onto this kind of train and do it as well but we also have other products for our customers came to us. I'm just going to share my screen and ask us our. We have more products activities for example that cannot move and we digitalize these kind of products as well so now you can use your smartphone to just scan your teddy easily and then integrate these teddy in a virtual environment in front of your art mental agility. Very again those listening on the radio. He's now showing us be sure to come by and check out the video at into tomorrow dot com but he's showing teddy bear and how you can simply scan an nfc chip select a game. You wanna play with the teddy bear and then play it. Now there's this virtual city it looks like in front of the teddy bear. And i'm sure there's many options in many different things to do but that's something else that augmented robotics is already doing and no doubt looking to do with even more toys in the future exactly exactly and so basically what we're doing we at a little bit of digital content for for every tire you know and this is what our customers came to ask and this solution is dev. I now well. And i'm assuming tony between yourself and your other two rocket scientists literally that you're gonna come up with even more unique things. Where augmented reality and toys is a different. It is a new reality for toys. And i'm glad that you're there. I'm delighted that you were exhibiting at epa and and that you've had opportunity to share some of what you guys are doing with us. Thanks so much for spending a few minutes with us. Thank you so much for having me. It was a pleasure and yet we are welcome to to answer any questions of your followers to refer is. Well we'll do shifts. That will pass them on to you as well. Augmented dash robotics dot com. Hit us up into tomorrow. Dot com prenatal care for expecting mothers has been revolutionized by imaging. Of course well now. This technology is available with a smartphone with this week's into tomorrow health. Tech minute brought to you by dex com. Here's alfred poor. Thanks dave one of the miracles of modern medicine is digital imaging safe. An accurate technologies such as ultrasound have made it easier to see what's going on inside a patient's body. This is especially true for expectant mothers ultrasound. Let's healthcare professionals check on the baby while it's still in the womb. 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Ifa talk and of course our team that was covering audio and video for us in berlin captured. His talk and one of the more interesting keynote titles at he for this year was called from jesus to hyperloop this was part of the shift mobility event and it certainly caught our attention. It was presented. As i mentioned by nick. Amon the ceo and founder of future candy. He says there are. They are an innovation agency and in his talk he discussed the past present and future of the travel industry. Two thousand years ago the everett's person in its entire life span only lift in the radio of one hundred fifty kilometers. Jesus christ only moved around in a radius of one hundred fifty kilometers and last year. We could take plane. They are still. It only took us forty five hours to get around the club and there was also because of one plane that being discontinued this year. The seven. Four seven from boeing the plane that frank the world so mobility is one of the main things in our entire life. It means everything. Trevor ed mobility is one of the main needs of human beings and of course the travel industry is one of the oldest around and like many industries it continues to evolve once an industry is bone it never ceased to exist. It's always continuing the only important vestiges. The technology changes so here. We had in the beginning in the eighteen. Hundreds we'd railroads and now we have hyperloop so transportation and mobility is very dynamic sector now and then but the main problem of all of us here in our brains and minds. we have fifty years of advertising. Spend from the from the car industry fifty years. The kind of stories have told us we have to own a car. So this is why we all still desire many of us still desire to buy. But i say this changing i say now here onstage. In three years time more and more people would say. I spend eight thousand euros or dollars. I spent on owning aqa every year. I take this money and spend it on other things is scooters bikes cast herring all these other things one of the things. Nick related the mobility industry to is entertainment. And the fact that the more choices we have the more we will take advantage of so in the one thousand nine hundred seventy s people have spent only three hours consuming media and now in the two thousand people spend ten hours an average day in germany using media unbelievably and that is because of more and more platforms we had internet. We had more by streaming platforms. We had the moment time people consume media. We formerly only had the car the public transport the plane the bike and walking. Now we also have cast hearing. We have east scooters. We have a. We have bike sharing. We have all these new new inventions and they were mak- small mobile and so we all benefit from this the more fragmented view the be the more mobile. We will be boy. it's too bad. He wasn't excited. He also talked about other ways. The industry is evolving like the fact. In light of the pandemic certain new careers have popped up. You need to employ hygiene engineers like this guy raymond wing. You need to take people like him on board because you need to think. What do i do actually with air assault inside my means of transport with the surfaces. How do they clean themselves here. This guy he invented a new sucking system inside the cabin of an app play so is a person sneezes in an airplane you see that all the germs and the aerosol get sucked out in the bottom of the seats so that's why no one can get affected just by some alvin. Today's reimann vang invented this and that's people who beat inside. Your business is now because the consumer would pay for hygienic. Clean mean of transport. One problem many of us living in larger cities have is of course traffic. The sheer number of cars in cities like new york los angeles even here in miami causes a huge headache. One solution nick offers is a whole new way to plan cities. The reason why we all have cars is because the city planning was designed like so. Now it's really in for the western world too old to own a car because most cities were designed in the sixties after the second world war. So but the problem is is is of course. It takes a lot of space to other people in the car. The people on the bike to the people in in a bus all in a train. You can see how much clever it would be to have. Everyone fitted into a train. Yeah we see that because of the new cities new transport able to completely new city planning now even the united states where we have a lot of car owners and users sites for for for bike has gone up hundred thirty percent. You can't buy a bike anymore in an us bike store because they all sold out. Nick wrapped up his address by talking about the future of the mobility industry namely the hyperloop. That we've all heard about for a few years now. Many companies including one owned by elon. Musk are working on making this mode of transportation of reality and soon future never stops. Yeah from jesus to hyperloop three years time. We will have the first hyperloop tracks in india. There's eight hyperloop companies in the world. One is an abu dhabi. One is in india and the other side of the united states and canada and the first one starting. It will be in india if you do that. We have new new mobility concepts coming up when we have the hyperloop in three years time. You can take a means of transport whenever you want here. This guy he has to go from abu dhabi to dot ca and he just goes to the train station to the hyperloop stage whenever he wants and then from abu dhabi dubai and whatever he arrives his pot will be put into one hyperloop and then he gets sent off. So that's why there's no no arriva times that you have to know schedule you have to follow. You can go in hyperloop ever you want to. So this is the world we will be entering suit. And then i can go from cologne to walk in one thousand nine minutes now. I need four hours in a train or in a car or even plain including check out time and chicken in times twenty nine minutes from the city center. The city's center. That's let me finished with one thing. What does all this mean. It's your job to restart. Our industry go out. Tell the message become an evangelist. Then jesus for view boy for somebody recovering from pneumonia. I'm out of breath. That was nick son of ceo and founder of future candy. Stay tuned as into tomorrow. Continues to take. Now is a great time to replace your worn out windows during the renewal by anderson twenty-five years savings event upgrade. Your home today. Buy four windows and get one free plus get twelve months with no interest. No money down. 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We are in the robot vacuums space. We call it robot vacuum because it's a robot and neto is a company that is fifteen years olds seem say young company but in the field of robotics actually quiet a senior company. We've launched a frost robot about ten years ago in ten years. We created a generations. So this is the age generation today here and very important for us is to to point out the features it starts with shape and that is a so-called d shape. And why is it so important because it cleans in the corners and that is what rondo has this super big brush which actually cleans everywhere so the shape is important and then the next is how to navigate because robots really want to do a good job and it is important for us using Laser as an ivy gator. So the latest cancer room it creates a map and we use complex algorithms to calculate the perfect match of your of your home space and then the algorithm to clean the floor. We don't want to lose out any spot and we wanna make sure. It's very efficient and fast cleans times People are more sensitive than ever when it comes to a clean home and we see that run times off the robots have been increasing by over twenty to thirty percent even means people are using more their robots which is great on We built them for last. We wanna make sure that they worked long. And you're happy with especially if you have pets for example with hair. We have special brushes that you can use. We have special pat modes that you can switch on so that the robot then makes sure it it it picks up all. These hairs are founders. Had one dream to actually create the robot that perform household chores like a human being to free them from this. Let's say unhappy work of cleaning house. And i think that's something that a lot of companies working on but the robotic part is really the artificial intelligence the learning so that the robot itself understands that there are changes in the house right. There's furniture moving from left to right. People are moving around. Your pets are here or there and we wanna make sure that the robot doesn't fall down the stairs for example of war doesn't damage your precious furniture or it never runs over your precious pets. My wife would kill me right if that would happen. So that's very important. And these are features that are there and artificial intelligence. As i said the robotics part is is important. We control the robots through the app. We were the first to introduce a apple controlled. Robots through wifi. And you can schedule. Your your robot can also connected to your home network you to your google or your alex speaker and you can basically create zones and can tell them hey just cleaned the bathroom. It was go and clean the bathroom and if you have areas that you don't want the rubber to go you just draw no-ball lines and wouldn't touch it so there are a lot of features and we have the update opportunity so Not only that. The robot itself learns but we can send continuously updates that the robots get smarter over time the markets for robotics as extremely strong increasing which is a little bit unique in this consumer space. Very happy we see double digit growth rates every year and also the ever since prices going and even this year with gerona impact. We see that the market is still growing and in two two thousand seventeen. Roughly seven point three million units were shipped. And in this year we estimate over. Twelve million units to ships to the market and the value of of the global market for robotics vacuums. This in this year is about two billion and magazines and jfk. Things that in two thousand twenty five and we'll go up to twenty two to six billion dollars which is huge right and the trade is happy. They offer more and more shelf space for the robots and people have a choice and we wanna make sure that we have the absolute top notch product and the new ten detained. 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That's dax com dot com one of the interesting products featured at the e for special edition. This year was called feel belt. The company is calling it a new era of immersion in gaming. Vr music and film. Now basically it's a belt that you strap around your waist and it introduces haptic feedback. While using vr watching movies or listening to music are berlin crew caught up with feel belts business development manager. Karston klipstine the special thing about our product. Is that no matter. How well i explain it or try to present it. Nobody dress split the moment they put the belt on and they feel it. Then they're like. Oh my god what is this so personal contact is key for us. This bell translates everything you can here. In movies and games. Music virtual reality into haptic feedback vibrations. Basically so you can feel it around your waist. The high notes in the front the notes on the back. So we're going full the full range of frequencies and were even telling park left and right so she can feel when she sitting the to the right or to the left like she's sitting in a real calm there are basically two benefits the one that's what she's doing right now. She's an able hearing person for her. It's fun it's immersion. And she's just more in the content but on the other side thereof deaf people and with this belt since it's so precise with splitting up the frequencies and the directions deaf people can use it to bring back everything they miss by not being able to hear so whenever they want to move they will be able to tell apart the villains deep voice from the lady screams help they will know if the buses coming from the left to the right or the other way round and in the same way it could even work as an everyday assistant and their regular life on the streets out there especially in in the sim racing. We can see huge. 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This stream is supported by advertisers and contributions by follow us on facebook twitter and instagram's another election lawsuit tossed i'm pam who so fox news in a unanimous ruling pennsylvania supreme court has dismissed a lawsuit by republicans aiming to stop the certification of votes. The ruling blocked a lower court order to halt certification of any remaining contests also over the weekend. President trump's campaign suffered a legal loss in pennsylvania. The president says the case will be appealed and the campaign is eyeing the supreme court another setback. Yes but yet another appeal to come for the trump campaign. He says the number of ballots that our campaign is challenging in the pennsylvania case is far larger than the eighty-one thousand vote margin. It's not even close fraud. And illegality are a big part of the case fox's kevin corke president trump will be interviewed by fox's maria bardo romo his first interview since election day it happens at ten. Am eastern on sunday morning futures on the fox news channel. Colorado governor jared. Police says he feels well. Despite testing positive for the coronavirus along with his partner both men are isolating at their home. The approval of vaccine could be less than two weeks. Away and pfizer is pre-positioning supplies in the us. United airlines is playing a major part in the shipping. They're going be chartering flights from belgium all away to chicago. And what makes it even more interesting. They're going to be carrying five times. The amount of dry ice normally permitted on board to keep the vaccine at the necessary cold temperature for effectiveness. Fox's david spent a pair of suicide bombers in afghanistan killed at least thirty four people today in one attack. A military humvee packed with explosives was driven onto a military base and detonated the other blast targeted. The convoy of a provincial chief. No group has claimed responsibility. 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While on trial for corruption many also disagree with his handling of the coronavirus pandemic in the next couple of weeks. The us could start rolling out a coronavirus vaccine. Utah state lawmaker. Steve ellison took part in maderna's vaccine trial so as a to injection vaccine. And both times. I had some side effects particularly the second time the several weeks. After the second vaccine i went and had an antibody test performed and it showed that i had six to seven times the antibodies of somebody who had recovered from covid. So that was a very strong indication that i had received the vaccine. Madonna's vaccine is said to be about ninety five percent effective so as fires which could soon be granted. Emergency use authorization by the fda. It may not be long before a vaccine is approved in england. The british government says it hopes to vaccinate the vast majority of the people who need the most protection by april officials. 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Chris and i are also thankful for both of us. Having survived the rona. So there's lots of thankful for we'll as you said last hour we're also thankful for the flood versus a fire right disasters. Go floods low on the Emergency people who lose their fire for us here in this scenario. Yeah because our control room and tv studios are a step down lower from the rest of our facility the radio studio and everything else so that became a problem when we had about three inches of water from a tropical storm ava come pouring in. You might say flooding in ruining a whole bunch of stuff. But we're thankful for the fact that it could have been worse at it wasn't we're also thankful to give our staff the weekend off to celebrate thanksgiving with their families and as a result we're bringing you highlights from our recent ifa broadcast yes. Yes but what does not offer. The holidays are ask. Dave hotline participate on the show to win prizes. Eight hundred eight nine nine into the founder and chief medical officer from a company called eb technologies e b technologies who is also very involved with for this year. Dr eric not nuff singer joined his dr eric. Welcome into tomorrow. How are you sir. Good thanks and it's great to be here. We're glad to have you with us because it certainly caught our attention When you talk about calming a racing. Mind i am. I not the only one that has that issue that it's like mind to stop. I just gotta go to sleep now. It's you know. I i was Practicing sleep medicine for over thirty five years and one of the most common complaints that people come to me with as doc you know my my head hits the pillow at night time but i just can't stop my mind from going. My my mind continues to work. I continue to think about this now. The other thing doesn't make any sense. I just can't get it to stop at night nine. So so that's where we come in. Wall is is trying to help with that burden sleeplessness. And of course you're an md. So you know from a medical concern. This is not good for us to be up all night hoping to finally fall asleep this disrupts a whole lot of our lives. And it's not like we don't hit the pillow tired because i've been exhausted all man tonight's going to be a good night's sleep because i'm just exhausted and then the mind won't stop and it's like people say well count sheep. Oh please yeah. That didn't i count breaths. I count you know th the ceiling. Whatever nothing works and then of course. I'm a clock watcher anyway. So it's one thirty. If i get to sleep now i've still got five hours or so and that doesn't help us. This is. This is a problem that many of us suffer. Yeah it really is. It's about half of the people in the united states. Have problems sleeping at one point or another in their lifetime. And as you mentioned. I i am an md. My career was mostly spent in research at the university of pittsburgh where i was a professor and did a lot of nih research. We did brain imaging studies to understand the biological mechanisms behind the problems falling asleep at night time. And and what we found. Is that the frontal cortex. Our executive mind just doesn't shut off. It remains active. Even though we're asleep at night time so that the device is really devised to fit over the forehead over the area the frontal cortex to reduce that activity so that people can drift into more general and restful sleep at night times. Eric how you're calling the executive mind that makes me feel a little better of that. It's not the dave is going nuts. Mind it's the executive mind that won't stop. So how'd you come up with the idea for this device that is has it already begun helping people. Is it available yet. yes it is available. It's you can go to our website. Sleep dot com. And it's available for purchase there at seville and Amazon bed bath and beyond or a variety of commercial and consumer out. And that's where it can be so the idea really came up The the problem in medicine is how do treat sleeplessness or insomnia in up until this point in time the only solution we have were were sleeping bill trillion and and sleeping pills or not necessarily the best thing they can be habit forming People can become dependent on them and they do have unfortunately some side effects drowsy driving. Memory problems confusion arouses in the middle of the night so most doctors and most patients would prefer more healthy natural solution. Which is what we think that we have. It's a very safe Device it has In other renditions been fda cleared for the treatment of sleep problems so as a lot of scientific research behind it. It helps calm down the racing mind to allow people to get more restful sleep so i'm hearing listeners in my head Which is what. I hear all the time especially when i'm trying to go to sleep saying things like well why not. Just turn your ac all the way down if if we need to cool this executive Mind and that's what you're ab- device does wouldn't that help is not now concentrated where we need it. That's exactly right. And he has to be concentrated and and you can imagine if the room around you as cool your body kind of works against that so our bodies keep themselves warm all day irrespective of whether or not there's air conditioning on or fan or you're outside so our bodies have a natural way of regulating themselves and keeping themselves warm and hot so it does require a little bit. Extra energy and the device cools fluids. In that circulates the fluids all night long over the forehead in. You can imagine you know. Sitting in a cold lake is going to do more cooling than just being outside on a chilly day. If you will true. And i guess if you're bringing the down dramatically not only. Are you chilling the entire house. That doesn't need to be chilled when it's just the bedroom but you're killing your entire body that doesn't need to be chilled when in this case this forehead device is chilling. The area That you need now. I'm also thinking what about folks that are thinking. Yeah but won't that give me a headache. Is is there that kind of an issue with cooling justice forehead. Yeah so it's not that much cooling. It's a precision cooling and the level of cooling is in a moderate range it's In the high fifty degree around sixty degrees fahrenheit range. Okay so this is not an ice cube. This is not an ice pack. It say you know it's it's a reasonably comfortable level of cooling but it's continuous all night long so it is providing just the right amount of thermal stimulus. If you will help people get to sleep at night time but not arouse them. It's not gonna wake them up because they're feeling to cole good. I like a little thermal stimulus. I think that's that can always be helpful right and and it looks like for those listening on the radio have not yet seen the video which again be sure to come by into tomorrow dot com and it's designed to stay on all night right so if i'm aside sleeper it's not going to be a problem Those that might sleep on their stomach is at an issue or it's just a matter of positioning your pillow. Perhaps with the headband. Yeah you know this thin. It's really very thin in comfortable just like putting on a stocking cap. Let's that level of thickness. It's not going to interfere with your had even fewer face though you you could wear it in that position on either side on your back. No problems with tossing and turning and it's called the eb cool draft. Yes that's correct. Correct is the name of the product and eb. Why that name you know. We is the ebb and flow of the ocean with the tides. Okay in the tide comes in. There's a lot of energy that builds up and then when the ocean drifts back out either is kind of a a calming sensation. We mellow like that. That it's the abbots the flowing out of these Forces in the ocean that the tides of the ocean also reflect a rhythmic process. Which is what the sleep wake cycle is all about you. We go back and forth into sleep and wakefulness over the course of a day. So it is a natural body rhythm. Gotcha and what does it cost. How many us dollars at this point. Yeah so we have a couple of different versions. It's just under four hundred dollars for our lex version and we also have verse versa version which is a little bit more affordable Which is in the mid three hundred dollar range and and People can see both versions on our website and they can understand the The minor differences between these two. And frankly for those of us that do have trouble falling asleep because the executive mind just won't slow down It's it's it seems to be very reasonable to get that not only peace of mind but to get some sleep and to be able to say. This is going to do the job for me. I'm assuming the.

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