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Ep 6  A Sister of St. Thrse: Servant of God, Lonie Martin  Bearer of Hope w/Fr. Timothy Gallagher  Discerning Hearts Podcast

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Ep 6 A Sister of St. Thrse: Servant of God, Lonie Martin Bearer of Hope w/Fr. Timothy Gallagher Discerning Hearts Podcast

"This is chris mcgregor. The work of discerning hearts really could not continue without your prayers and support between now and december thirty first. Please consider making a year end tax deductible gift click the donate button undiscerning hearts dot com or inside the discerning free app. Your generous support will allow us to continue the programming. You have come to expect from us. Like those from father timothy gallagher. Dr anthony lewis monsignor. John s of our bishop. George lucas and so many more please. Purfleet consider supporting our mission which is dedicated to those on the spiritual journey. Thank you and god bless from all of us at discerning hearts discerning hearts dot com in cooperation with the oblates of the virgin. Mary presents a sister of saint peres. Servant of god leoni martin. Fear of hope with father timothy gallagher. Father gallagher is a member of the oblates of the virgin mary. A religious community dedicated to retreats and spiritual direction according to the spiritual exercises of saint ignatius. Of loyola he is featured on several series found on the eternal word television network. He's also the author of numerous books on the spiritual teachings upstate ignatius loyola and the venerable bruna lantieri founder of the oblates of the virgin mary as well as other works focused on aspects of the spiritual life. A sister of saint tarez serving. God leone martin bear of hope. Father timothy gallagher. I'm your host. Chris mcgregor so at this point. We're in mid-july july and say we really only has another five weeks or so to live writing to her sister-in-law celine get an years leonie to die in my place whatever stirs in the heart of this fourteen year. Old girl here is leeann. Who wants to die in my place and she praised for this every day. However she's beginning to lose heart because she's not getting sick and then in a letter to pauline which is written on the same day it's like leoni who read in the men cut the leaker a catholic periodical that a saintly soul had offered her life for the pope and her prayer had been granted. She hasn't forgotten it and here. She is beginning some no venus to die in my place thursday morning she went to find murray and said to her. I'm going die. god has answered me. I feel sick now with reverence. This is another point. Where marie mrs marine as i said sometimes is so sharply attuned to what's happening but sometimes she does miss it and she does in this time. Marie just laughed but this mortified leonie who was speaking seriously and she started to cry. A quarter of an hour later or tears dry and with her unpredictable spirit. She had something else in mind. She needed tapestry slippers. I'm not sure what tapestry slippers. You're some kind of slippers. I said to her but since you want to die it would be a waste of money. She remained silent. Perhaps hoping to still have time to were out her slippers. Perhaps she would have put this in terms of her sacrifice and would have made them last a good long time only wearing them on the great feast days. There's there's the love and this young girl's heart and the you know the the clumsy reaching out but with such sincerity in a way these blinds be just read give us an insight into the whole of the life of leoni leoni never had enemies and she never had enemies because everyone even if they could get irritated at her foibles. She was slow. She was meticulous to the point that it would exasperate people and so on but you never had enemies because everybody knew that she had such goodness in her heart. And you see. Ucf right here you see that clumsiness but you you reverence it and you respected and it hurts a little acsi to see them. Mrs because you know that there's such goodness behind it marie. Still she still young man. She's she's three years older so she seventeen at this point. That sounds like something. A seventeen year old was god. Bless her now. That's you know if we will certainly do it in these conversations but if you were to read correspondence which is lengthy in later years between marie and lay any you'd see the deep love there between them. Marie became almost like a third mother in a way for ni. The death of her aunt who is so dear to leone the visitation and then the death of her mother's lee and at that point marie steps in and kind of takes over raising her and teaching her and so forth. so there's a very deep bond of love there between them and it's reciprocal. Now that is. The last of the letters in which leoni is mentioned in sally's correspondents and this is written jokes. Five to six weeks before. Finally she does die. That's a rather abrupt ending. Something as deepened as rich as that correspondence but the beauty of it is we've seen through xavi is we've seen leonie from the very first months of her life up to her fourteen year. Really as we say the pivotal year in her life and leilani would always be convinced that her mother's death and entrance into eternal life and your prayers for her were pivotal in what she calls her conversion that change of heart which at age fourteen now at this point after the death of zahlee The quite the family has to decide what its new situation is going to be and Zali had hoped and she had expressed this to her sister-in-law celine get an so that's saline getting is. The wife of her brother is door had expressed the hope that if she zahlee were to die before her children were fully raised that celine her sister-in-law would be willing to raise the family and in fact we have a letter. We may look at this later on in which selene when She received such love in return from the martin girls because she became a second mother to them she just marvels at how. She's so loved by them and she says she indicates that she knew that sally had asked her wanted her to take up this role after elise and she said especially from when sally shortly before she died exchanged along gays along look into the eyes of saline and she knew very. She couldn't speak anymore at this point. But saline understood with great clarity would lee was saying i'm entrusting my children to you as their mother and because of this the family moved to these you which is where the family lives. Because that's our is doors. Pharmacy is which is how the family actually does get to lease. You was not entirely easy for them. louis who sacrificed this is the pattern. Give up what was dear to him for the sake of his family. He gave up his own business nor to help his wife with her business. And now he's well established at ellen sewn. He has a circle of friends. He has a small little property. They called the pavilion from the shape of the building which he loved he would go just to be quiet and meditate and read a little bit of land around it and of course his own mother is still living there and he gives up all of this to move the family to these year. They find a home there with the help of his door. And that sleepy sunday the family home which is still there today and the family moves up to this year saline garin there and now becomes their mother once. The family moves to these. You're leonie enters a boarding school run by benedictine sisters and they speak of it. As the abbey it was destroyed in the bombardments in world war. Two so it's no longer there but we have photographs of it. This is her third attempt to get some schooling as a levin border and this time it works and she spends four years there. As as a student from age fourteen to age eighteen. She returns on weekends and for the summer vacations. But that's partly why when you read the story of a soul and tarez speaks of these years after they moved to these you. You don't get too much of a mention of leonie much more of selene. And then the older two sisters because leoni was a lanee loved the benedict boarding school. And even the other sisters teaser about it. There was even some question apparently at some point that she might have thought of actually entering becoming a sister in that order but she loved it she had her handicaps because her studies had been so imperfect up until then she never fully recovered but she made progress while she was there and she was happy there she always stayed in touch with the abbey and the subsequent years as long as she lived in these year and in fact on a number of her letters she signs them child of mary which was a group of young girls dedicated to marry. That was right there at the benedictine school. After she finishes the school she leaves the abbey and celine and tarez when a tarez old enough they also go to the abbey but as day orders so they would walk to school each day company by maitre their father and he brought back home every day and leonie is at home. These are also the years in which pauline discovers her vocation to the caramel and she enters the caramel for years later. Marie also discovers her vocation to the carmel and she enters so we have another five years from age. Eighteen to twenty three in which leonie lives with the family at labor. They re sunday and these are difficult years in their own way for her. Leone is no longer violent. That whole quality disruptive quality is no longer there in her but a sadness in leonie. Her life is going forward for the rest of her sisters. The two oldest. Discover their vocation move into religious life. When i pauline and then marie leave the home lanee would be the next in line in a sense to be the mistress of the house in terms of age. He's now the oldest daughter but there's never any question of leoni becoming the one in charge. Everyone recognizes that. She would not be able to do it. And this goes to her younger sister. Saline who becomes now the woman in charge of the household and tarez his growing and flourishing and here looney and especially in her time eighteen to twenty three young women are getting married making vocational choices. Years are passing and nothing really is moving in her life. She spends a lot of time alone. We mentioned earlier. How her room was even at a distance from the other two rooms where the two oldest and the youngest sister's shared life. She dedicated herself to works of charity. She would assist various people who had need and she had a very faithful life of prayer. But there's an underlying sadness in her life at this point as she's getting older and nothing seems to be working out for her from these years. I'll just quote two letters and now we have leoni's own letters. So the first of these is leoni writing to her. Aunt selene garon. And so away aeneas twenty two years old at this point and the background is that the family would in the summer would take vacation time they would rent a house or some apartment on the shore which was not too far away were enormity they would spend the summer there and various family members would go by turns to spend time there so her aunt would be. They're managing the household at times her aunt's two daughters. Jean marie would be there at times. The martin girls would come and spend some time there in fact in the story of a soul whereas speaks about the impact of the ocean upon her. This is setting. She goes there with the golden family and spend some time there with some of them. So here's the background. Leoni is in the issue and her and at on the shore on the water there with the family here ist. And i don't wanna let marines letter. So this is we have to maurice here. So i'm gonna guess. This is most likely celine's daughter. Marie her cousin marine. I don't wanna let murray's letter go without enclosing a note with it today. I won't have any excuse. And i don't want to let your holiday in the lovely chalet. At deauville go by without showing you my affection other. The first thing i'd say to note here is what comes to the fore. Even in these first lines is affection. The heart lovely chalet without showing you my affection. Yes kind and i love you. Know i do and it just important to to to say this and when i remember all the kindness you have shown me i'm completely at a loss to know how to thank you. Bye love remembering the four days. I spent with you so i'll probably not much Before this she had spent four days on this either with the family those conversations that i had several times with my darling and with you were so sweet for me. You know what they were about and the editor here just raises a question. Was it about her. Desire to enter the benedictine abbey issue. It's just a hypothesis but let's just note the vocabulary. Lovely affection kind love kindness. Thank you love. Darling sweet get you get that heart of gold. The goodness in looney and impact all of her letters in the remaining years of her life will always evidenced the same trait. What comes to four. She's has a woman's interest and all the family news and all the rest of that in detail but the heart of it. All is the desire to express affection. And you see that in this letter here. I can't help but her comeback to what zely desired so much to be there present for her daughter to help her get through all of this and of course you know it seems as though on the surface the story. She did not get what she wanted because she did die but then again for the christian for us maybe she did the belief that her sister had such a strong intercession after her death for the tragic circumstances which caused the breach in the first place to be healed. But now zoe where she is now that she has gone on maybe can be the mother and even more powerful way. Maybe she did get the answer to her prayer. It wasn't what she expected. But maybe it wasn't even a grander way for her to be able to help her daughter. Shit sure sounds like it. I mean from that age of fourteen and then being able to go into the benedict dens and then to be able to express herself so beautifully. That's all the things. She had hoped that she could help her. With and here it was happening. I think if you look at this with the perspective of faith. I don't think there's any doubt about it and in fact When the family. I moved to these year. Their father had to stay behind. An alum sewn to take care of a lot of things before he could then go and join the daughters so you had a number of weeks in which the the daughters were all in the new home at issue and their father was still in alan and trying to wrap things up as quickly as he could and then to join them. And you have a letter from marie to her father during that time and she remarks on the transformation that's taking place in leoni and she explicitly says this has to be our mothers doing what's happening her has to be the grace of our our mother's intercession and i don't think the family ever had any doubt about that. We've mentioned this before these pivotal moments of growth in. Leo need she survives. The illness could have taken her life in the first months this conversion of fourteen and i don't want to anticipate other things that will be getting. But they're always linked to some self giving on the part of or intercession or self sacrifice on the part of a family member and to here. It's the sacrifice of her life and the intercession of her mother's alii which the family understands to be very much at the root of the changes that have taken place in. Leonie it again if you go to the end point of all of this and you ask were these prayers answered not only were they answered but they were answered with an abundance said no one could have ever seen it would be instructive to do. We could do it if we wanted to. Just to read the titles of the various biographies leonie and in their various ways like poverty transfigured or from problem child to source of hope or the unexpected sanctity of a sister of and so on. You always get this sense that no one foresaw this. No one saw this coming and look what happened from the way things began in her life. This was we would not have expected this now. And for saad predicted it ends aleve firmly hope for it and more and more you know in the last year of her life but by and large people looking at leonian would have never foreseen this happening. And so i'd say every prayers were answered the certainly bought his powerful illustration as. We'll see this as almost like in. It's very different way. The answer that monica gets when she praised for her son augustine here the struggles are not moral struggles their developmental struggles in various ways. But the response is beautiful. I'm praying that family into you. Know father gallagher. I just have to say that again. It would be pure speculation. But based on the tone and tenor of zelaya's writings the instruction in the love in the conversation. That would happen up until the moment of her death. Those priceless beautiful exchanges that The only between the of them and what. She must have said to her daughter. I mean those things are so important it so important and not just for us to know about them but for us to remember in our own lives the things we say the things we do the dispositions that we take as you said you could look at the end point as we break open each moment here as we move towards that point everything matters in how we approach the ones we love and i think the incredible the message of hope in this is that you have a story here and we're trying to give it without away from any of the struggles you know in it which i think is the best way to give it because it's a story very much like her own cannot relate to desperate person the heart that don't seem answered struggles in the lives of children that just seemed to go on and then may get worse when something unforeseen happens like the the whole issue with the made and so on and you start we struggle and we suffer but one of the beauties of looking at the lives of the saints as we said in other settings is that you see the end point how we see the end point in our on struggles because we're right in the in the story right now but here we do see it and it's an enormous sense of hope. I'll say again that. I think there are a few lives of holiness and we can confidently say that now about leonie. Her cause of canonization is enrollment. And i'll just say personally. As i've gotten to know her i i don't really have much doubt that the causes going to progress. It would be hard to conjure up a beginning initial point of greater difficulty than that which leonie lived and to see that this story developed in the way that it did and led to what it led to just says to everyone of. There's not one of us who cannot hope both for ourselves and our own spiritual journeys and for the people entrusted to us if we're parents for our children or for friends or people for whom we have any responsibility. This is almost one of the most hopeful stories in can modern times. I would say in life of sanctity. This is the most tangible gift expression of what hope looks like a hope of a mother but it's also accomplished our hope in the cross when we look at a crucified. Christ we know what the end pointing is. That's the message for all of us. Isn't it in our own life. Our own moments a crucifixion. And we know our hope is. I think that's what we need the lives of the saints because they're really but they are is the gospel in concrete terms so everything that we see in the lives of the saints you can find in the word of god but you see it exemplified you know brought home and made concrete in a way that is very enlightening and encouraging for us. I think one of the best things we can do in the spiritual life is to always be reading or listening or whatever viewing something from the life or writings of writing of saint. It's very very encouraging. I have this experience often mentioned the last few years. Obviously spend a lot of time with toronto's and sally and they oh nian other members of the family you go to your day differently. Your values are reset in the way that they need to be. You see what's important and sometimes as you're reading these things you wake up to the fact that oh that got out of focus in my life and now it comes back into focus in a way. That's very strengthening. So i think i personally. I think one of the best things we can do is to say close to the saints. Well she continues in this letter. I must also tell you that your big girl will be turning twenty two years old next wednesday. I hope that you won't forget me. In your prayers to god so that he may complete the work he has begun in me. You will kindly tell my dear little cousins. So that's jean. And marie the to salines two daughters that i send them kisses and that i love them dearly again. This is the whole message of this. Thus far she hasn't really given much news of any kind basically what she wants to say is i love you and i just want you to know that you know. Please tell me that it was dear. Little selene this. Selene is a first cousin of marie. And jean and she was also playmate with tarez when they grew up. And we have some letters of tarez to the selene. A who took the collection today. Along with a second communicated who was so kind. So this was that what they call that solemn communion year. After the first communion. I can't prolong by letter any longer. I would be afraid of being late. For which is interesting so it's obviously a regular practice for her to go to church for the singing vespers which just gives a little insight into the way leonie is living at this point. I'm sorry to leave you. But i console myself by thinking that soon you will come back vacation will be over. You'll be back here with us and never leave us again. I hope so when you see the miss peons of these two sisters. They were ladies. Good friends of both families. The martins in the get ends he kind enough to present them with my respect and to tell miss josephine that i sincerely hope. She leaves her headaches at the seaside. Your little niece. Who loves you. Very dearly leonie. And here's one of the letters where she signs chuck child of mary. Easier thirty first of may eighteen eighty five and we'll take one more letter from the same period and this is a year later so leoni is twenty three now and the setting is the same family is by the shore and She's writing to her aunt. Actually i'm glad that we're focusing on the end for a moment because sitting get in. Her aunt is a lovely person. She's part of this whole story. And when you read your letters and get to know her you really warm up to her as well. She is warm affectionate. And you can see why the matan girls grew to love her so much because she was everything that was sweetness and goodness and love for them. Women of faith dearest aunt. If you only knew how touched i was. When i read in marines letter that you would have written to me if you hadn't been afraid of your letter being too heavy. I won't hear it said that it is your turn to right. I would be ashamed of. I am very happy to have an opportunity to talk a few moments with my kind answer again. Everything's on the heart here. It's tomorrow that the family is celebrating. Mr monsieur for nays feast days so this is her aunt's father as my uncle is door. Forgot to write to you about it. He asked marie daughter to do it but she hasn't the time because she must go to the market. So that's why. I'm taking her place. And i do so with pleasure. We often go to see my uncle. So this is at the pharmacy. Oh who hasn't time to be bored for. He is overwhelmed with work as even asked marie to go and help him next week with the bills to help him get through paying them and probably accounting and so on and this next is really just again another window into leonis heart if i could. I'd be happy to help my kind oncle. But i'm not intelligent enough for that so she just knows that She's not capable of this. She never was much good at math. In those turbulent years when they had her at school she just wasn't capable and so they say she just put down any number just to put something on the paper so she was never really very capable. But that's one reason why. I chose this letter because you get these little insights into how this woman of twenty three years old. Caesar's health marie. Her cousin is seventeen so she six years younger and leonie recognizes and even says it in the letter that i wouldn't be able to do it. I'm not intelligent enough. So leoni is sidelined here as happened so often in her life in fact it's at the same time when leonidas twenty-three tarez is ten years younger so tarez thirteen and leoni very humbly asks tarez to help her with her french and tarez with that sensitivity. Which always was characteristic of her teaches heard sister outer right and manage her french. He will go and see you on tuesday. That is is a door or wednesday with marie. Who was looking forward to it immensely. It will be mean x time so that might turn will come next. What blissett is to spend a day with you. I don't know if any means writing the letter because they'll often say that in these letters that is such a wonderful thing to spend time with you and by that they mean the time they're spending writing or perhaps to go actually and spend a day there. I heard that my dear. Little marie whose health was fragile. That my dear little. Marie has been much better since. She's been at the seaside. Tell her that. I want her to leave her illness and trouville. That's where tarez was at the sea when she went there when she leaves for these year tell her and my dear little gene that i'm thinking of them and that i love them very much and you my dear aunt. I hope you are well. You mustn't make yourself tired like last year. You must make the most of the good sierra hope you have lots of pleasure fine weather and yet not too much heat because he would suffer from it too much. It's very annoying that you are missing the lovely feast of the blessed sacrament corpus christi. It will seem funny tomorrow. Not seeing you and not being with you. In the procession. I would very much like the month of july to be over so as to see you back among us release. You is very sad when you're not here however what makes me except your absence. Patiently is thought that i will go and see you. It is in this. Hope that i leave you and send you my heartfelt kisses looking forward to the happy day that i will spend with you so it does sound like she was going to go for a date to visit your niece. Who loves you with all your heart. So that's looney. During these years that she spends with the family at labor sony when others lives were moving forward and her seems to remain somewhat in the same place. And now something will happen. That will surprise the family. But that's our that's our next piece will come back to that. Well once again you left us the beautiful cliff-hanger father gallagher and i look forward to our next conversation as i do. Also you've been listening to a sister of saint says servant of god leoni martin bear of hope with father timothy gallagher to here and or to download this episode along with hundreds of others spiritual formation programs visit discerning hearts dot com or you can find it on the discerning hearts free app. This has been a production of discerning hearts in cooperation with the oblates of the virgin mary. We hope that if this has been helpful for you that you will. I pray for our mission and if you feel is worthy consider a charitable donation which is fully tax deductible to help support our efforts but most of all. We hope that you will tell a friend about discerning hearts dot com and join us next time for a sister of saint shreds serving. God leoni martin bear of with father timothy gallagher.

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Ep 1  A Sister of St. Thrse: Servant of God, Lonie Martin  Bearer of Hope w/Fr. Timothy Gallagher  Discerning Hearts Podcast

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Ep 1 A Sister of St. Thrse: Servant of God, Lonie Martin Bearer of Hope w/Fr. Timothy Gallagher Discerning Hearts Podcast

"Discerning Hearts. Com in cooperation with the oblates of the Virgin Mary presents a sister of st. Her as a servant of God. Only Martin Barre of Hope was father Timothy Gallagher father Gallagher is a member of the oblates of the Virgin Mary a religious community dedicated to Retreats and spiritual Direction according to the spiritual exercises of st. Ignatius of Loyola. He is featured on several series found on the Eternal Word television network. He's also the author of numerous books on a spiritual teachings of Saint Ignatius of Loyola and the venerable Brunel and Terry founder of the oblates of the Virgin Mary as well as other works focused on aspects of the spiritual life a sister of st. Tourism servant of God Leoni Martin Barre of Hope his father Timothy Gallagher. I'm your host Chris MacGregor. Welcome father Gallagher. Thank you Chris. We are about to explore the life of an extraordinary person who liked her now famous sister wage was really quite hidden for so long. Let's talk about leonie Martin. Well tourism is obviously the Saint Therese of the Child Jesus and now her canonized parents Louis. And zelie, Martin are obviously the best known even within the siblings. They were nine children for whom died in very early age as was unfortunately fairly common in those days infant mortality was a relatively high but there were five sisters all of whom survived Perez obviously is the best known and then the the girl who were with her in the caramel in these year that that would be her oldest. Well Pauline and then the oldest Marie and Celine and the one who tends to have been forgotten. The most over the years was leonie and a lot of people probably just wouldn't recognize the name at all wouldn't know who she is. But in 2015, her cause canonization was introduced and she is now the servant of God leonie Martin and so there's whole new Awakening of Interest this hitherto forgotten sister and she's the one that we're going to focus on in these conversations that what we having who was she why is her cause of canonization been begun? What's special about her? What were her struggles of what happened over the course of her life and I will say Chris. It's I don't know. It's been quite a some time now that I've been reading pretty much everything that you can read on her. She draws you off and I think we'll see that as we go through it and she has a very I think important story because she was the Forgotten one. She was the one who was in the last place. She was the name. Who is less gifted than the others today? We would call her a problem child and we'll see this she certainly was that the source of great anxiety to to her mother to her parents both disruption in the family for all the years of her infancy and their teenage years and then the story took the turn that it did but I don't want to anticipate anything either way. Just let it unfold chronologically that I think is something that has really spoken to my heart about her as well. I didn't know very much about her until I heard her described by her mother and as a mother myself with kids there's something about how she spoke about this particular child that really touched my heart. I am so grateful that we're going to explore this as well again, I I would like it just to enfold I kind of know the end story as far as her life goes, but I think God For The Listener. My hope is that like me as you learn more and more about her. There's something that is so compelling and poignant song. I'm so grateful that you're you're doing this. Well, I'm really happy to do it and what we'll see is that until her mother's death and Saints if he dies when they need is fourteen. So for the first fourteen years of Leo nice life, this is equally the story of mother and daughter and we will see Leoni almost exclusively Through The Eyes of her mother her mother lived incredibly packed days as the years went by in the family grew eventually she had but she had nine children for a poem I mentioned died early but this was a large family. She also had a thriving lace-making business which eventually became the support for the family her business groups off. And she was so overwhelmed between caring for her children and managing the business and sometimes she would have about 30 women working for her on this that as he did so often in his life her husband Louis pronounced his own watchmaking and jewelry business in which he was doing well to work full time to support his wife. He was the one who sort of managed the business he would make the business trips contact the vendors and suppliers and so forth for her. And notwithstanding these packed days and she still wrote a large number of letters 218 of them have been preserved and they're published in English translation in a book called a call to a deeper love the family correspondence of the parents of Saint Therese of the Child Jesus, which is a wonderful book. Her husband's letters Louise letters are also in there, but he didn't write very often. He left most of that to his wife. So we'll see Leoni through these letters for the first fourteen years of her life. When we earlier when we did a series of of podcasts on Saint Terez. We always focused on the letters did that because they are an extremely rich source Saint John Henry Newman says at some point in his writings that in his mind the best way to get to talk to a person even more than a biography is through reading the person's letters and I've always thought that he's right because you get the person without any mediation you get the person directly off. So we we opted to look at the letters of Tara's because they are so rich and because they're also probably the least known of her writings. In this case, we had other choices you could look at terrorists or her own autobiography through the abundance of the various witnesses to her through the cause of organization. And so forth with leonie things are different really the only essential way to get a hold of Leoni and to follow her life is through letters because she never wrote very easy very very little just a few personal notes from Retreats and things like that outside of the letters. So we have these letters of sale e which will take us through the first fourteen years of Leone's life. And then we have Leone's own letters. We have three hundred and forty two letters of Leoni conserved most of them written after she eventually moved toward religious life and we have almost two thousand letters written to her by her sisters something like eighteen hundred letters. There are reasons why that correspondence wage So abundant which will see when the appropriate time comes but that's just to explain the methodology that will use here. So let's dive right into the letters. And this first letter is written when Leo is seven months old and it's our first reference to her. This is a letter that say Lee writes to her brother is a dorm. These early letters are generally written too long either her brother, Isadora who is ten years younger than she say Lee was one of three her older sister ailis who became a visitation sister and we'd have a great impact and leonie and then three years later. They lie was born and the two sisters were very close. They had a very difficult upbringing and it brought them very close together off and then ten years afterwards. They lie. Their youngest brother is a door was born Isadora would have a significant role in Terez life later on. He was a major figure in this whole Saga of the Dead. And family, he married his wife Celine a very warm Bond of affection quickly developed between silly and her sister-in-law Celine. Her brother is aduriz wife. And so the letters that will look at at this stage are written either to Isadora her brother or to isadore's wife Celine. And in this particular case boss is writing to Isadora and this is the first reference to leonie who is seven months old little Leoni is not coming along very well. However, she's not sick. So that's our first reference wage and the first reference indicates that leonie had struggles of Health from the very beginning. Apparently it's a lease pregnancy which with leonie which was her third pregnancy. So at this point her oldest daughter, Marie and Pauline were born and are healthy and doing well. But the third pregnancy was accompanied by some kind of physical struggles. I haven't been able to find the details in any of the of the writing. This is another difference between terrorism Leoni Torres interest. Everything has been studied and books Never ceased to come out about her. Whereas with leonie. It's only 5 years since her cause of canonization was introduced there still is a lot more study and work to do with regard to Lani. So they'll be some points in which will wish we knew more but all we can do is what we have we have an awful lot as well. We'll see you primarily through the letters but the first 16 months or so of Leon he's life. She vacillated between life and death for reasons of health. So the very beginning wage Not easy for leonie. I wonder I'm not a doctor and so I don't want to pretend to do more than just wonder whether some of this may not have been related to whatever the physical issues. He went through during her pregnancy might have been but the beginning was difficult. All right, this is two months later. So leonie is now nine months old. Little Leoni is over nine months old and she can barely hold herself up on her legs as Marie was doing at three months old. So again, we get a a very early indication that Leone is developing much more slowly than her two older sisters. This poor child is so weak. She has a kind of chronic whooping cough. In fact, she would struggle with this throughout the entirety of her life. And this was before antibiotics and vaccines and a lot of young children died of this. So her mother is understandably worried about this, but she would deal with things like whooping cough and related sorts of things at various points throughout all of her life. All right, so she has a kind of chronic whooping cough fortunately not as strong as the attack Pauline had her she wouldn't be able to survive it and God only gives us what we can endure Thursdays are our first indications and what we're getting from saili is worried is concerned her child is just not doing well in her first year. This sucks letter is two months later. Leone is now eleven months old. Little Looney is not doing well. She doesn't seem to want to walk and it took her a lot longer to begin to walk. Then the rest of the children. She's by no means am in fat. However, she's not sick. She's just very frail and small. He just got over the measles which also could have been deadly at that time because again, we are before vaccines long as she just got over the measles and it was very sick. She had very strong convulsions again, you get the same thread of worry and concern from her mother. If you read say these letters you read a page you'll see her Delight for example in Murray or Pauline or later Celine and Torres just as a mother would do and seeing them do well and the Charming things that they do you don't get that as she's writing about leonie. You know some of the commentators mentioned that we tend to think of the Martin family Torres family as a kind of Ideal family in which everything was just wonderful and everyone was happy in all things went. Well as we go through these letters will see that that was not at all the case they knew and profoundly the struggles and suffering that every family knows which in a way I think money is its own gift because this is a family to which we can all relate. They were not exempt from the same struggles that we all know. All right, the next reference to leonie is about a year later a little less Leone is now a year and nine months old and say Lee is writing to her brother is a dorm. And she says now let's speak of something else for the last 2 months. My little Leoni has had a kind of purulent eczema on her entire body and the illness is getting worse every day off very upset and she goes on and this eczema which and it was not just a simple or light case of excema purulent. I'm going to read a description of what Pura land m is and she wouldn't deal with this throughout the entirety of her life purulent eczema is a chronic disease of the skin characterized by rashes swelling reaching and dryness crusting flaking and blistering with an oozing pus and blood already know not even two years old Leoni is struggling with this and it covers the entire length of her body as it would whenever she would get into situations of stress or worry. This would tend to return she uses the word at one point and enraged eczema. Just Just the inflammation and the kitchen which was a terrible struggle, you know in the course of reviewing reading through her letters and all of this at one point. I developed a localized skin issue and it made me just think what would it be like to have this on the whole of your body and to know that this could return at any point in your life. And so she would deal with thoughts again, you can see the same thread holds as each letter follows the preceding we just get an unfolding of worry and concern and at this case it's all about the physical struggle with that. Leonie would have and the slowness of her development. I'm very upset and the doctor doesn't know how to treat it. If ever any mothers are listening who find themselves worrying about their children then say Leah is the saint because there is so much worry and concern as she watches the growth and struggles of her children. Later, you know the business and her own health and all that she deals with the doctor doesn't know how to treat it. He told me to give her some antiscorbutic syrup, which I did but the ravages of the illness didn't lessen. It seems that these kinds of illnesses are almost incurable. Please give me your advice and tell me what I should do because her brother is a dorm had studied to a doctor later left those studies and completed his training as a pharmacist. And so that was his lifelong profession his father-in-law had a pharmacy in the issue and he wound up taking over that Pharmacy marrying course, his father-in-law's daughter. That's actually how the whole Martin family eventually winds up in these here because of the the pharmacy that Isadora took over wage. So we'll see in these letters that say Lee will often ask her brother for advice on how to handle one kind of physical condition or another. You wouldn't believe how much I suffer seeing my poor little daughter in this state. She's a real mother. I've just written to our sister. Ailis. Ali's is the the other that I mentioned. She's the oldest Hailey's entered as I mentioned the visitation order was in the convent a dilemma in France and that too will be a place in life of Leoni Ali's. They were in religious life known as sister. Marido CT sister. I guess you'd say marry a Dorothy in English would always be C player in her life both silly and her younger brother, Isadora looked to their oldest sister sister. Marido CT as she was kind of the saint in the family and she was really a wonderful woman in Los Angeles and the wisdom figure and you see in the correspondence that they write to her asking her advice and her letters to them are very much the letters of an older sister trying to assist their young sister and brother So it's Ali tells us adore. I've just written to our sister and he's asking that she say a novena for her and this turned out to be a key thing because her sister does make this Novena to dead at that time blessed Margaret Mary alacoque. No Saint Margaret Mary alacoque who was of the visitation at that point. That's when the 16 months of life and death struggles off and leonie begins to do better physically and leonie would be forever grateful to at least for that or I've just written to our sister ailis asking that she's saying Novena for her then she says to her door. I'm not asking you for your prayers. I don't have enough confidence in you because at this point Isadora was not all that strong in his faith later. He would become a very devout deeply dedicated Catholic. All right. The next letter is just a few months later and leonie is now two years old. It's a lie is writing to is adorned. Leone is very cute and rather strong. So that's this is the first a more hopeful positive note that we get. It's an absolute fact that she's never been sick since my sister met Novena to blessed Margaret Mary who was beatified in September. You know, one of the commentators actually several of them writing about the story of Leonid speak of it as the victory of a family and it really is very much without the love and support and faith and the constant couragement of her family Leo. Nice life would have been very different. And this is the first instance that we see of this course, she has a loving and anxious mother who just wants the best for her and suffers to see her struggling but the prayers of her faith and signalized the first turn for the better in her life. And that is really she could have easily died as we've seen for others did early on a but she does survive and she would live to age 78 actually Leoni absolute fact that she's never been sick since my sister made the Novena to blessed Margaret Mary who was just be out of hide when madamji sometimes in the letters before they allow them to be published wage would remove some names in this case. They just put the initial deep when madamji came she was in a pathetic state and had been since her birth. She had continual heart palpitations and an inflammation of the intestines that started when she was born. This was another thing she would deal with throughout all her life and to write us they'll call it sometimes inflammation of the intestines off in short. I saw her hover between life and death for 16 months. I remember that during that time. I wanted to stand her up on her feet and I was unable to do it successfully took really after the Novena. She could run like a little rabbit. She's incredibly agile. The next reference to leonie to four years later. So leonie is now six years old which in itself is interesting because for once for example terrorists born or saline, you'll get constant references to them. Just an interesting fact that that many years go by at least in the conserve letters. There's no reference to my own eat and say I am now writing to her sister-in-law Saline my children speak to me often of your little Jean. So Selene had three children her sister-in-law had three children her oldest daughter Jeanne who eventually married then the second page Marie who also became a Carmelite and lived with the other format and sisters in the caramel Indonesia, and then she had one son who died at Birth in both families both the Martin family and then the family of her brother together and family. It was the male children who didn't survive and that's why we have essentially except for the husband's in both cases, the the families of wives and daughters because the male children didn't survive. So my children speak to me often of your little Jean and they asked me if she's coming back soon. But periodically there would be visits between where the Martin family lived and this year off where the family lived. If she's coming back soon Leoni calls her the little boy Jean we're having a hard time making her understand that Gene is a little girl and not a boy. She understands things so strongly but she's always been sickly and I hope she'll develop later on and so we get another window early on into Leone is life that she was not only physically very frail, but she was intellectually very slow and she struggled throughout her life who see her studies where we're always difficult for her and she never did very well in them. Just one little insight into this when later Terez cause of canonization is underway, and the sisters are being asked to give their witness and so on. Her sisters right to leonie and they remind her clearly don't write anything without letting somebody review your French before it goes out. She bought intellectually. She she was never very gifted. A year later Steely writing to his adore Leone is now seven years old. Now the only has had a problem with her eyes for almost two years. So there's another physical issue two years. So that's from age five to seven an issue with her eyes off, you know a remedy for this. Please let me know God willing it will be more effective than those. I've tried so far this poor child and this is the the word that's a lie. We'll we'll use to describe Leoni La pauvre Leoni my poor Leoni this poor child concerns me because she has an undisciplined character and a limited ability to understand. So the picture she keeps amplifying it's not only physical issues and not only intellectual limitations, but now we have a reference to an undisciplined character. She's emotionally difficult. She's hard to control. There are emotional struggles in this young girl's life. The next letter takes us now to leonie at eight years of age and now something else comes to this is the year 1871, which is the year of the wrong impression War when the the Germans invade and defeat France and the repercussions are very real in this small city of balance on there is a bombardment of the family has to take refuge in the cellar when the city is defeated 25,000 Prussian troops marched through the city and they watch this and then they are obliged as many others in the City of Violence on to house in their case. They are assigned nine of these German soldiers who take over the first floor of the house during the bombardment the family takes refuge in the cellar and during the time that the soldiers are here in the house Leoni takes refuge in the cellar and we have her describe just sitting on a stool living down. To avoid having to deal with these German soldiers and the danger and the upset of the family Leoni would go through three Wars in her life. This was the first one when she purchased eight years old. Now, you can imagine what this can mean for a young girl whose life is already so unstable and so difficult in so many ways now to have the additional suffering of going through a time not only a war but a defeat and one that touches her own family home actually enters right into the family home with all the fears. You know, how are these soldiers going to treat the family? Just what's going to happen. In fact, if you read say these letters as she resolves to treat the soldiers well with politeness and with courtesy and so there were no major struggles of any kind off but you can see this eight-year-old girl afraid, you know day after day sitting on a stool in the cellar. What's the emotional impact of this going to be this is a young girl in Chris life. There is no juice. Ability, everything is changing. Nothing seems to go well and through all of it the physical frailties emotional struggles and struggles with any kind of learning daily rights law. She's writing to her sister-in-law. I'm not sure if you know that the prussians have been in our home since Monday morning at 7:00. They marched in front of our house until 1:00 in the afternoon. There were thirty-five thousand of them. I can't describe our anxieties Monday around 3:00. All the doors were marked with the number of enemy soldiers to be housed a big Sergeant came to ask us to inspect the house. I took him up to the first floor while telling him we have four children fortunately for us. So at this point the next child Helene has been born dead fortunately for us. He didn't try to go up to the second floor. Finally. They made us take nine in all and then she says later in the life the darkness and desolation. Everyone is crying except month. A projectile smashed a storefront very close to us. We had to go down into the cellar. So that said rather briefly, but we can just imagine the impact emotionally of this on Leoni. All right still when leonie is eight years old. This is daily writing to her sister-in-law, Saline. No, we have the first attempt to try to do something a little more formal with regard to leonie studies. They've already had her go to a school in alanson wear off. He the oldest two girls went for the first time. She attempts to enter an educational institution and it goes badly and she has to return home. And so these great hope is that her older sister Ali's sister. Marie doesn't a in the Visitation Convent as among where they have a boarding school her sister teaches in this boarding school and we're the oldest two girls who do go and that's where they get their education as borders. So they would spend the academic year. They need a return at Christmas and Easter for vacations at home and then spent the summers at home and this is where Marie and Pauline got their education. And the third daughter now is Leoni and Z with great confidence in her older sister Ali's and knowing that they he will still in a in a very real sense G in the family there with her and and the two older sisters has great. Hope that leonie can go to this boarding school and that this will make the difference in her life. So she writes to her sister-in-law. I told my sister. So that's at least about my problem regarding Leoni studies. She thought about it and said I have to try back found the Mother Superior and asked to take the little girl and look after her until the vacation. So they only has been at the visitation Monastery for several days with her sisters. She was delightful to go. I hope they'll be able to keep her and she's not sure of this because the child is so unruly and so so poor in her studies since I know that she's in such good hands on my side. I see myself so calm it seems to me like I'm in heaven. So from the the endless battles and struggles with leonie at home and her undisciplined character and the off-roading and the struggles and the health problems. For her as a mother to know that her daughter is in the best possible hands and not at home just brings a kind of peace that is sort of like a dream for her and she hopes that this wage will go. Well we can probably already guess that things are going to go a little more little differently father Gallagher. Could I ask you a question at this point sure as long as I'm listening to and I'm sure there will be many parents out there and people and family members who are going to be able to relate in some ways to what they're hearing loss again. It would be very bold with me to make a statement or a diagnosis as it were because I don't have the background except for being the parent of two children and the autism spectrum and what you've described up to this point, even as you said when she had smallpox and she had convulsions and that would suck. Teta a high fever and a number of other things that can affect the body and the mind and everything else what I'm hearing especially with her struggles with education and being able to be taught many children in the autism spectrum, for example have those same type of struggles and now there seems to be a greater awareness and so many schools with this palette. He's other things are trying to do things to help reach those children one-on-one, but they appeared before they had an adapter education to be not very bright. It's a language disorder. It's very difficult to write it's hard to speak in sentences that are familiar with people that would rather speak and statements again B Boulder me to say that she had something in the autism spectrum or even Asperger's Syndrome or anything like that boy, but it sure Sounds as though those types of struggles we can understand that when the soldiers would come into the home the sound of men's voices that sounds of things that are happening would be such a struggle that for a child in the Spectrum. All they want to do is escape and hide, you know, they just they get very focused and they they get they have to check it out because there are no filters. And it can be very much a struggle. So a lot of what she seems to be experiencing many family members are going to be able to say wow. I can relate to that even the disruption behavior in the responses to things trying to go to church for example to sit just sit sit quiet and don't say something. Mm is a struggle. It kind of just pains my heart breaks. You don't mind me interjecting all of this but in the hopes of zelle, can you help me? You know, is there a hope? I mean just what you just said in that last letter off. That's what so many people are experiencing in the love for that child and their hopes that something can help them. Maybe I'm not capable. Maybe someone else can well you sure as I mentioned earlier. There still is need for a lot more study and research and writing. I did my best to see if I could find anywhere any psychologist who had done an in-depth study and leonie enough to attempt some kind of a diagnosis have been unable to find that in various presentations on her various things are suggested and one of the commentators does suggest something along the lines of autism another one proposes that she might have been dyslexic and that would not have been something that they would have caught at the time and they'll be other factors that will see as the story unfolds but I would just say this if it's true that she does have a condition somewhere along the autistic Spectrum wage. This is an incredibly hopeful story because again, I don't want to anticipate but one of the most powerful things in this is one of the reasons why there is such an interest in Leoni today. Is because she witnesses to the fact that with faith and with the proper support from and love and encouragement from a family and others more growth fruitfulness is is possible than one would ever dare to imagine early on in the person's life will see this in saley where she'll say, I'm just hoping against hope, you know using that biblical phrase because she doesn't see any reason for Hope, although she never she never lost. Hope and Landy story is an amazing story of the potentialities for growth are beyond what we might deem possible when we look at the structure of a child. If in fact Leo need did share something of the condition of autism, it's beyond me to decide that. All I can do is relate. What is out there thus far in life in the research on her and probably people as you're saying Who have dealt directly with that may be the best ones to judge? You know, it's very interesting the other parallels that you've described. Yeah, and even if the day were to come back and that diagnosis is not necessarily one that is attributed to her. The the struggles the experience the reactions that I think it's what makes it so relatable. I think the importance of zelle for example in the lives of those who may it be sane and experience at the same things. She has said we're not alone that you're you're not alone and that here is someone who is speaking in your voice. Well, whether it's female or male, you know, mother father grandmother grandfather and Aunts Uncles as you're reading these letters, it's her pure same. To hear how the openness of the family will maybe I can help and even the prayers of the saints that extraordinary message of Hope in the home what prayer can offer that United prayer that Novena that was said, there's so many layers to this incredible family. They have to offer the world. It's kind of breathtaking isn't it is here saying earlier and is as is very evident as you go through this. This was a mother who had a very difficult very difficult task as a mother and became a saint The sanctity is not excluded from a family because of these kinds of struggles and what's striking is, you know, we are reading the letters of a canonized Saint about a servant of God her daughter. It's it's just an amazing thing. If I could add this, I mean just that point is so important because zelle didn't write down as much about Terez because Terez was so much younger. And so there there was the writings of her and those little Snippets we've glommed onto with all our might because they're so important to us and yet we have more about this child and and the fact that it's rising up in this time their Witness. I think it's truly a gift a truly a gift from God for those who are seeking seeking that type of saintly relationship. Can I say well, we're still a very very much at the beginning of the story and a lot more will unfold as we go along but it's it really is a powerful story of Hope just a wonderful story of hope that you cannot read or go through the life of Leoni. Without saying there is no Human Condition physical emotional academic wartime whatever it is, which club is the door and the sanctity. What it's really saying is, you know, it's every one of us every one of us has the conditions that we need to become. Holy as this mother did and this child eventually would do in her life. You've been listening to a sister of Saint Terez servant of God Leone Martin Barre of Hope with Father Timothy Gallagher to hear and or to download this episode along with hundreds of other spiritual formation programs visit Discerning hearts., or you can find it on the Discerning Hearts free app. This has been a production of discerning Hearts song operation with the oblates of the Virgin Mary. 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"Welcome to man advocate podcasts. I wanna thank you all for tuning in. Thank you so much for taking the time out of your day to listen to me me talk. Thank you like it just gives me a warm feeling to know that hey, you can listen to anybody else right now. But to choose me, and I thank you for that Kamal tea Leoni inside Tinguely happiness. So the new man advocate family. Let me explain what man advocate means understand that the title says man advocate, but man, advocate is for men and women. It's for men because maybe the platform men need something where they can go, and they can express themselves were they can listen to someone is just like this xactly how feel but I can't say that in my relationship. Don't worry is. I will say for you. I could get in trouble. But it's so many things that the man wants to say in the mandible wants to do. But he can't because of how society has set up for us, and how we're perceived to the women we we can say certain things. Now, this show was also for women's because I want women to know the inner workings of a man and not through some book that you guys read based off those written by a woman. I don't I don't want you all to to have that. You know, I want you all to know the truth. I want you all to have a full understanding and not just read something that makes you feel better about yourself. And I'm not here to hurt anybody's feelings. That's the last thing I'm here. But I am here to give the the the best way to describe. It is I am the defense attorney on behalf of men. Whether the man is guilty. I'm here to lessen the sentence. Got to explain why he's guilty. If he's innocent. I'm here to explain why he can be assumed guilty. But he's really innocent. Like, I'm just I'm just here to defend men. And and help women understand it. Hey, a lot of things that we do we get it's our fault. But it's not everything. Everything is not always us sometimes issue. You'll be surprised. How often is actually you women the goal over show is equality in relationships. That's that's what I want because we have to understand that we are not in the school age of data anymore. This is not your parents and your grandparents relationships anymore. This is completely different. This is something that we all have never dealt with before. And I feel is best to everybody has an understanding. Everybody's on the same page in order to move for in your relationships. As men we have to express our feelings as women you guys have to pull back on sensitively. The best wagon. Explain that. Hey, guys, stop thinking, which dick Savitt women. Stop acting off your emotions does the best way. I can do this both sides. Nobody's fault there. But both sides have some type of blame there. And I just want each party to to to stand up and take and be accountable for their actions. But no one has been accountable for men men, we always accountable for actions majority of the time, but. No, one says that for us is just we go up on the old saying, you know, happy wife happy life, you know. But no one thinks about the man. I ask him majority of you. All right now. Hey, everybody knows when breast cancer mafias, right? Yeah. With prostate cancer. Those couple is apples. What we're going to get into it. We don't get into dating. We're gonna get into to love. We're gonna get into Phillies gonna get into all everything that's involved with men and relationships and women so with that being said, they'd again, I want to say thank you for tuning in. And let's get started. With the first episode.

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Ep 9  A Sister of St. Thrse: Servant of God, Lonie Martin  Bearer of Hope w/Fr. Timothy Gallagher  Discerning Hearts Podcast

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Ep 9 A Sister of St. Thrse: Servant of God, Lonie Martin Bearer of Hope w/Fr. Timothy Gallagher Discerning Hearts Podcast

"Discerning hearts dot com in cooperation with the oblates of the virgin. Mary presents a sister of saint. Res- servant of god leoni martin bear of hope with father. Timothy gallagher father. Gallagher is a member of the oblates. The virgin mary religious community dedicated to retreats and spiritual direction according to the spiritual exercises of saint ignatius of loyola. He is featured on several series found on the eternal word television network. He's also the author of numerous books on the spiritual teachings up. Saint ignatius layla and the venerable bruna lantieri founder of the place of the virgin mary as well as other works focused on aspects of the spiritual life. A sister of saint tropez serving. God leone martin bear of hope his father timothy gallagher. I'm your host. Chris mcgregor so we have a letter here now of tarez to lonnie and this is written just a few weeks after leone has entered eba monastery for the second time. Tarez writes a number of letters to leone and of course tarez is now writing from her own monastery. The carmel tarez is already doing what the family will do throughout all of lebanese life. They know the goodness leone and so they want to support her to bolster her to encourage her. I know i mentioned when we went through the letters of tarez at every letter. That tarez road is always other centered. It's written for the other person's need to if these letters and they don't think there's any doubt about it reflects the way tarez interacted with everyone in her life. You get a beautiful image of what she means by. All i want is to love it. It's completely other centered. Giving of herself she writes to leoni. Dear leoni perhaps you are thinking your little tarez forgetting you. Ono leonie had an almost insatiable need for these letters from her family to be supported as she needs them through on all of her life and tarez knows at thrust is just amazing. It's it's a lovely thing now that we're going to touch another figure of sanctity in this story. She she is so perceptive of human hearts. So are you thinking that i've forgotten. You know you know her heart too well to think that i would have liked to write you at the same time as our mother. So this was the prior is and system. Marie of the sacred heart. That's marie but there was a misunderstanding and their letter left earlier than i thought. Today i am coming to take my revenge revenge. I'm going to communicate with you and to spend a short moment with you if you only knew dear. Little leoni the thanksgivings. I am sending to heaven for the favor that god has granted to you. That is religious life so leoneans thirty at this point tarez twenty but you can see tarez leader at last. Your desires are fulfilled. She's always wanted to be a religious and finally now she is like the dove released from the dark all the tresors letters. She readily turns scripture. You'll just they're all interlaced scripture like the dove released from the arc. You could find on the soil of this world. Nowhere to rest your foot. You flew for a long time seeking to reenter the bus at home in which your heart forever fixed it. It's abode so she's thirty years old her earlier attemps. Jesus made you wait but finally the mornings of his touched him and he extended his divine hand and taking his fiancee aso. This idea of the religious life as an espousal to jesus as being the spouse of jesus is deeply rooted in tarez and leoni all of the our ten sisters as earning their understanding of religious life. And of course it's absolutely theologically accurate. That is the heart. That's the heart of the consecration. And taking his fiancee he placed her on his heart in the tabernacle of his love the prediction of our holy. And so that's sister marie doc- tei sally's sister. The editors here include in a note from a letter that the system rideau siete road to say lee. And this is when leone at this point was secures old as for little leoni. I cannot refrain from believing that she will become a little visitation sister. So her aunt had said this you know early on prediction of our holy end is then now realized. The child of blessed margaret. Mary gen the no vena than spirit. Her life is at the visitation and she will be the spouse of our lord forever. Oh no doubt. My joy is entirely spiritual since from now on. I must no longer see here below my dear lanee so leonie would come They could once a week. They could visit at the carmel in the speak room and she will no longer see neither. I must no longer hear her voice or pour my heart into hers. That's another exquisite thing. You know the tarez speaking of herself as it were finding courage and strength from being able to share. What's in her heart with leone. Sesay tarez is amazing if we had just one hundred of the kinds of sensitivity in love and her heart but beautiful things would come into this world hit. This is a theme that will repeat over and over again. I know that this earth is the place of our exile. We are voyagers who are traveling toward our homeland which they absorb very deeply from their father and their mother teresa's speaks of just hearing the seeing their father is when he would be up in that upper belvedere where he would do his readings and being alone in the house of the recent ages gazing out they had a wide panorama because the house was raised and just saying awfully oil up at three zero three the fatherland the homeland just longing for that. That's deeply instilled in all of the martin sisters and very much in need as well. Sometimes i think about it. We get it exactly backwards of life as what happens here. What is this life in comparison with attorney if we just had that perspective which they had so deeply than everything in this life would take its proper place and proper importance. Sometimes i think what would happen in the culture of our country. If we just had this truth which is so foundational if that were alive in our hearts but it is very deeply alive in tarez leoni and their sisters. I was struck by the she. Just said it reminded. Me of tarez is commitment to be busier. That are heavens going to be very busy at work. And now i recall that activity that was asked of leonie's aunt the knowing that she was going to die. Here are the things that there was a a desire for the one who knew they were going and a desire for the ones who who knew they were going cures my list of things you need to do. There is assured awareness that you're going to be busy in heaven with these petitions and they saw outcomes. they acknowledged and saw outcomes. So when torres. Says i'm going to be busy in heaven. She really believes it. And the world has seen the outcome happened. That's a nice link to the broader family. She is a daughter of that family. The martin family in that although she takes it to a whole new level as she does with so many things expanding into the world and so on and off just another family members needs them and that sort of thing one of the reasons why the members of the family have this deep longing for heaven is the awareness that they will meet again as family. They're the there is so much sorrow of so much death in this family. You know think of the four deaths of the of the young children than their mothers. When she's i think forty six something like that. She's in her mid forties when she dies and then others has. This goes on and everything that we've seen in the story reveals the intense bond of unity. The mutual love reciprocal amongst the members of the family and so leone for example in her letters when she will talk about her longing to be freed from exile and in the homeland will often describe it in the family. You know to see again. Her mother to see again the other members of the family her father and then the time when we're separated now because we're in different monasteries but the time will come when we won't be separated anymore and the visit deep longing. Wait what it is. If i just don't wanna forget to say this it is. It is one of the most beautiful illustrated's i think will ever see in our spiritual tradition of a lived awareness of the communion of saints. This family has a profound awareness. Not of the communion of saints simply as a truth to say yes to but as something that they that is real alive and that they longed for and the assured confidence that our aunt. She's busy look at the miracle. That happened our mother. Look at this. She still interceding for us. How could we if we just believe instead of saying. Oh well just happened and we that we believed win. Those moments happen in our lives. I think we miss them. Don't we communion of saints israel. I actually have on the wall of the this room. Where i'm recording this and i'm looking at it right now. The photograph of my mother and father was taken when they were in their forties. And it's a photograph of them that we all love in our family. Her seated together in the living room in our home. I turn to them repeatedly every day. No one would go on my trips to give retreats and things. I always stop in front of that photographing as for their prayers every day repeatedly and they don't have any doubt i know how they lived. I have no doubt there with the lord and i have no doubt of their response. It's very beautiful thing. And you know as i've read these letters of leonie and her sisters they awaken in me a more lively sense than i've had before of you know please. God we're gonna meet again. Our our story isn't over We're going to see each other again. And when we do any limitations that may have been there in what was a beautiful relationship of parents and children. Even those are going to be removed. And it'll be more beautiful than ever. And i find myself beginning to think that way. Now as i see leoni say this over three hundred and forty two letters over and over and over again. She'll say this and it's beginning to dawn on me that These god if i'm given the grace of perseverance that lies ahead for me to beautiful thing to think of so tarez continues. What does it matter. If the route we follow is not the same. So i'm in this monastery urine that since the only goal will be heaven there we shall be reunited never to leave each other there. We shall taste family joys eternally so that's exactly what we're speaking about and she elaborates. We shall find our dear father again now. Their father is still alive at this point but mentally he is taken away from them and so which he means is we'll find him again as he really is. We shall find our dear father again. Who will be surrounded with glory and honor or his perfect fidelity and especially for the humiliations. That were showered upon him. That is the mental illness. And all that that meant in his life we shall see our good mother. Sally who will rejoice at the trials that were are lot during earth exile and maybe again this is another gentle way of encouraging. Leoni whom she well knows is probably having her struggles we shall take delight in her happiness as she contemplates her five religious daughters and we shall form along with the four little angels. Who ate us up above a crown. Adorning the heads of our dear parents dear little sister uc the share. I am taking in your joy. There's that other centeredness always there. I know that it is great but tarez also knows they're not entirely easy. I know that it is great but also that sacrifices do not fail to accompany at right so word of encouragement without them with the religious life be meritorious no certainly not on the contrary it is the little crosses that our whole joy they are more common than the big ones and prepare the heart to receive the ladder when this is the will of our good master tarez. This eighteen ninety three tarez four more years to live. She is in the process of developing this teaching which will become her little way and you begin to get echoes of it here. It will really take shape a few years from now for tarez. It is the little crosses that our whole join the. There's a kind of kernel of the little way there. I'm so weak. I can't do big things. But i'm not gonna get discouraged. I can do these little things. That's all i have to do. That's all that you ask. And all i have to do is turn to you with great confidence. I beg you dear leone to remember me to reverend mother and so forth and the letter continues two months later. Tarez writing again to leonie. Now leoni in the meantime has taken the habit and they had a public ceremony with the bishop. They're sitting was there and there and so forth though. This is just happened shortly before and tarez no rights to rejoice with lonnie. Leone has taken her religious name and she assisted peres does he. And you can see those see tay from her aunt and tarez and she's already looking tarez as her spiritual guide. Dear little sister tarez so saint tarez rights to lay on email calling her by her religious. Name your little sister tarez what joy your letter gave me. I cannot thank god enough for all the graces bestowing on you. So she just delights with joy because of leonie's joint we can keep that in mind as we go through this letter. Tarez has very little or nothing to say about herself. Her whole focus is on the other. Saline has told us in minute is details about the beautiful celebration of august. Sixth day that she was given the habit. How are the mother in. Heaven must've rejoiced on that day and of luma with what love her eyes fixed on. You family family is so central for all of them. I am very happy that my mother teresa teresa viola has become your mother. It seems to me that. This is a link uniting us together even more closely i cannot dear little sister tell you all i would like my heart cannot translate these intimate feelings in the cold language of this earth and yet we commented on this when we went through the letters of residential. Repeat this over and over again this so much want to say to you but words are too poor to express it and then she'll always she'll do here turn toward the time in heaven when will just have to look at each other and everything will be shared but one day in heaven in our beautiful homeland. I shall look at you and in my look. You will see all that. I would like to say to you for silences. The language of the blessed inhabitants of heaven. In the meantime we must merit the homeland of heaven. We must suffer. We must fight. Oh i beg you pray for your little tarez that she may profit by the exile of earth and by the abundant means. She has for meriting heaven. Leoni is now about a year into her third attempt to join religious life and in the course of this time her sister tarez periodically writes her letters to encourage her and leonie kept them. We still have the this set of letters. Eleven letters said tarez rode her in this time frame. So this next that will look at is two days later than the one. We last red deer little sister by sunday. Note will reach you at the same time as this one. So that's the one she wrote just two days earlier and you will see that already. I was rejoicing in your happiness. Thank you for your little letter. Which pleased me very very much. This theme of pleasing someone is very deep in the martin family in in the conversation of all the sisters above all pleasing jesus. That's what tarez wants. More than anything else is to please. Jesus but They often portray their love for another person into category of pleasing. This person so you'll often see this return in their letters and so when tarez let's lay nino that her letter to her tarez pleased her tarez very much as she saying something that will really warm leonis heart because that's what leonie really wants in her relationship with tarez. You are very much blessed. Dear little sister that jesus is so jealous of your heart is saying to you. As to the spouse of the canticles tarez never goes very long without referring to scripture. It's just deeply ingrained in her and she quotes from the song of songs chapter four verse nine and she has in mind a commentary on this by saint under the cross in his spiritual catechal. You saying to you as to the spouse of the chemical you have wounded my heart. My sister my spouse by one of your eyes and by one strand of your hair fluttering on your neck. Jesus is very much pleased with you. I feel that now you can feel this like bomb coming into the heart of this thirty one year old lady who is struggling in her third attempt to enter religious life just to hear from her sister whom she reverend says so much already at the. Jesus is very pleased with you. How often did she get feedback like that. You wonder you know in her life. If he is still allowing you to see infidelities in your heart because laney has shared with her you know my fail in this imperfect in that and so on i am very sure that the acts of love he is gathering are still more numerous and then lovely sentence. Which of the tarez will be the more fervent. So tarez is obviously tarez. And as we mentioned a alani when she took the habit took the name sister tarez doc- dossier from her aunt and then or tarez so this is just one of these exquisite little touches that tarez just flow out of her the way music flows out of mozart's or poetry out of shakespeare that they're ingrained in who she is. Which of the tarez will be the more fervent for both tarez. We're both sharing the same life where both spouses of jesus. And then she answers. The one who will be more humble were united to jesus or faithful in performing all her actions through love now. This is three years before tarez death and this is the time. We're on the cusp of the time. In which he will delve deeply and develop the doctrine that will become her little way. And as i've said before you're getting touches of it here so what matters. How is our love for. Jesus shown how do we please him. Which of us will be more fervent while it really comes down to performing all our actions through love and just the daily small little things but done with immense love Let us pray for one another in order to be equally faithful so repairs as tarez rights. Which is beautiful lettuce wound. Jesus by our. I and by a single hair this is by the greatest thing and by the littlest let us not refuse him the least sacrifice everything is so big and religion that is in religious life to pick up a pin out of love can convert a soul. What a mystery. We could go on at great length. And all that is contained with theresa saying here i won't i won't do it but this theme of sacrifices his very deep in her little way by that she understands actions of love that cost us and they may be very small just holding back in impatient word or noticing someone who would appreciate a helping hand or curbing our impatience and unan the just a small daily things of the sacrifices which are very small things but which he knows with deep confidence are are very precious. Jesus is and look at the richness of them to pick up a pin out of love can convert a soul. She's deeply convinced of the power of living. Our daily lives performing these little actions. Or these sacrifices with which the day can be filled if we live it this way and of the astounding spiritual power of this to bless other people's lives including as she says to convert a soul. I think it's safe to say. Isn't it that for those of us who are listening that even picking up a pen with great deal of love king 'cause net conversion that movement because at its essence. Isn't it true that god is love and then if you're so united with him in that that's where the power comes from because it's his power. That's doing that. And i think that's something that all of us could take to heart. Isn't it and living this out. And i'm sure maybe even a leonie as she's reading this may not necessarily make that connection. But that's part of the the grace that comes from even that little of a reflection well as we mentioned looney kept these letters and they became very important for her in the remainder of her life which is still quite lengthy she lived to be seventy eight more and more tarez her spiritual director. She even calls says that at times after terrell's death she's taken tarez director so she is probably at the beginning in the early stages now. These are the first time since she's even hearing. This will watch this develop and grow in her but what she discovers. This woman who feels so inferior and incapable is that when holiness is presented in this way. Something in her says i can do that. I can't do the big things. But i can pick up a pinata love. I can smile at a sister. Who is the last person right now. I wanna smile at. I can offer to help another person. I can be cheerful when something in me. Find it hard to be so be cheerful for the sake of another. Who needs it right now. I can put my heart into the tasks that i've been given to do today. I can do that. And even that's going to be a struggle. But i can do that. I know of intimated this already will see more of it. This is the pivotal spiritual turning point in leonie's life and it's because of this teaching of tarez leone did not remain locked in her own. Inferiority closed discouraged. Depressed cutting yourself off from the world as she could have done so easily but because of pathway opened her that she knew she could live and that she had on the authority of her sister whom she trusted so much later she saw beatified and canonized new. Pathway opened out for her. And we're we're touching it already but this is really the spiritual key to everything in leonis life you cannot understand leonie without tarez. Were seeing the beginning of this happening here in these letters that we're looking at and i would add that leonie's realization that this is something i can do and that liberated her from slavery to her incapacity and her limitations. All of that's true for every one of us as well. Of course that's why tarez loved so much so It is jesus alone can give such value to our actions. Let us love him with all our strength. That's a conclusion your little sister who loves you tarez of the child. Jesus now two months later and this is a letter from tarez to her sister. Selene selene is still at home because taking care of their father who is living. Actually his last week's at this time and loonie has written a letter to their. Uncle is door and probably. That's which has really disturbed horizon. Her sisters the editor here includes a letter of isidor wife celine so leonis aunt to her daughter. Jean hope all those relationships are clear enough at this point. Her aunt says this to her daughter. Yesterday we received a letter from laney to your father which left us with some anxiety. She is telling him with field. Trust all her trials her struggles her combats and even tells him that if she were not helped by her mistresses. She would be with us in other words. If we're not for the ongoing help of her superiors she would have left already. I assure you it is not encouraging. What was she do in the world which is a good question if she comes back and what she cannot barrett. She is not happy in. Selene will write the caramel to ask for their prayers. And then there's a later a letter from the same ant few days later. She's heard from her daughter. Jean who lives in kong near the visitation convent sort. The letter from her daughter has really encouraged us. Selene thanks you. She is going to set her mind at rest somewhat regarding her sister all right so we have a situation in which nina's struggling and i mentioned before that when she entered the second time in the visitation there was the same strict approach to the formation of these young women. And as i've mentioned repeatedly she never did well with that approach. So tarez who has learned of all of this is now writing to leonie's letter is disturbing us very much How unhappy she will be if she returns to the world but i admit that i hope this is only temptation. You must pray very much for her. God can very well give her what she is lacking now. This next letter takes us to about a year later and in july of this year eighteen ninety leone finally is unable to continue and she does leave and returns home again. The eczema flares up her health just succumbs to this. She cannot continue actually and we need to say that she was not the only one that left. All of the novices actually also left. The regime was just too severe for all of them. So this is another one of these difficult circumstances in leonie's life had she been received or had the formation been gentler more accommodating. Would she have left this time. It's a good question. But in any case yet at yet another turn turning point in her life she does not find the gentlest and the tenderness and the encouragement that she needs and she is unable to continue this time. After two years in the carmel she spent two months with the poor clair's. She's spent six months in her first attempt with visitation sisters. The time she spends two years and again it fails. Let's this read. Tarez is writing here to her aunt to celine. Get in so what has happened. Is that her. Uncle is a door with her cousin. Marie are traveling up to the monastery to meet leoni and to accompany her home in. So that's the setting. All of this is happening right now. I if you only knew with what sweet emotion. My soul was filled yesterday when seeing him with his angelic little marie. So is the door and marie come to the carmel just to meet with the sisters and certainly to talk about the fact that they're going to have to go and get need. We were plunged into a very great sorrow because of our dear leoni it was like a real agony. Bonds between the sisters are very deep. God who will try our faith with sending us no consolation. Whatever and as for me. I was unable to offer any other prayer. But that of our lord on the cross my god my god. Why have you abandoned us or like that. In the garden of agony my god may your will be done and not ours so tarez suffers very deeply for the suffering that she knows leoni is undergoing then to console us our divine savior did not send us the angel. Who sustained him in seventy but one of his saints still a traveler on earth and filled with his divine strength and so she's speaking of her uncle as she's writing to his wife her aunt. When we saw his com- his resignation our anxieties were dispelled and we felt the support of a paternal hand. Oh dear little. and how. great. Our god's mercies poor children if you only knew the sweet tears i shed when listening to the heavenly conversation of my holy uncle. He seemed to me already transfigured. His language was not that of a faith that hopes but of a love that possesses at the moment when trial and humiliation came to visit him. Because this is not easy for the get ends either. Leoni is living with them. At this point the martin household is no longer exists. He appeared to forget everything in order to think of nothing but to bless the divine hand that was taken from him his treasure and as a reward was testing him like a saint and then she hasn't finished this letter and the following day she resumes. I had left aside my letter yesterday without finishing it for. Marie arrived with lonzo. So they've been to the monastery they've accompanied leoni and marino comes with leone to visit the sisters her sisters. In the karma. Speak room and watch how this happens. Our emotion was very great when seeing her. We were unable to make her say a word. She was crying so much. Probably nothing more than this can describe the. I think it's true to say that this was probably the lowest point in leonie's life her third failure at this point finally she ended up by looking at us and everything went off well and she goes on with further details. I speak of this as the low point. This is just my own proposal in leonese life. She's thirty two years old. all of her sisters are either well. three ever. sisters are in the convent. Selena's really only waiting to take care of their father until his death to enter the carl over. Two cousins one is married. The other is just a few weeks away actually from entering the caramel in these you. Her family life has evaporated around her. The game ends her aunt and uncle with great love Welcome her into their household. She wants desperately to be a religious. She's tried three times and failed three times. What is left for her. An actual say in Letters in the time that follows that there is a sadness that i can never shake as agnes. That's always with me. 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Ep 11  A Sister of St. Thrse: Servant of God, Lonie Martin  Bearer of Hope w/Fr. Timothy Gallagher  Discerning Hearts Podcast

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Ep 11 A Sister of St. Thrse: Servant of God, Lonie Martin Bearer of Hope w/Fr. Timothy Gallagher Discerning Hearts Podcast

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Please won't you help us to continue the important work of evangelization by donating today to discerning. Hearts dot com discerning hearts dot com in cooperation with the oblates of the virgin. Mary presents a sister of saint peres. Servant of god leoni martin bear of hope with father timothy gallagher. Father gallagher is a member of the oblates. Virgin mary apologised community dedicated to retreats and spiritual direction according to the spiritual exercises of saint ignatius of loyola. He is featured on several series found on the eternal word television network. He's also the author of numerous books on the spiritual teachings. Up saint ignatius layla and the venerable brunel and terry founder of the place of the virgin mary as well as other words focused on aspects of the spiritual life. A sister of saint tropez serving. God leone martin bear of hope his father timothy gallagher. I'm your host chris. Mcgregor a word on the set of letters into which we're moving at this point when leoni entered the visitation for this fourth time knew that she needed the help of her family and so rather boldly she wrote to the superior of carmel in these you and asked if her sisters could write to her once every two weeks which sort of unheard of in cloistered life. You just don't have that kind of regular communication amongst family members. The mother superior balked a little bit at this. But my guess is that leonis sisters knew that he really would need this. This was not just because she would enjoy getting letters but this was really a vital life support in a sense for her and so a compromise was reached that leone could write once a month and that they would reply. Once a month and out of this came the massive letters that will be approaching knowledge. Gift some of the figures on this so letters written to leone conserved and because not all of them were conserved for example in the first five years of laney's life in this fourth attempt in religious life. None of the letters to her were conserved so the real number would be larger than what we have but nonetheless. So we have conserved three hundred and forty three letters from pauline to lowney. Four hundred and forty four from marie. Three hundred and seven from selene and of course. We have a handful of letters from res- ridden that we've already looked at so that she received well over a thousand letters from her sisters and then as for her own letters three hundred and forty two of leonis butters have been conserved so we have this wealth of exchange between the sisters which is a gold mine about the richest source. I'd say certainly for this phase of her life had unquestionably the richest source of information. A gold mine because we were able to see is the gradual development in leonie over these years. Actually all of these letters are available online to anyone who wants them the harm in these. You has done a wonderful service. They translated all of these letters into english. And they're all available on the website of the carmel of issue. They have not yet been published. In italian of volume. They've been publishing italian translation. But i was not able to find them in any other language but we do have them in english available on the website so anyone who wishes can have access to so that's just indicate the source that we're approaching at this point no leoni enters the visitation for the fourth time on january twenty eighth of eighteen ninety nine. She's thirty five years old at this point and three days after she enters her aunt is the doors wife. Sellin rights delaney and. I'd like to reach us a little bit of this because it just nice in itself but it also allows us to get a window into her aunt who was just an exquisitely loving woman. Everyone who writes of her relates to her. They all just really appreciate the goodness in her receiving your letter this morning so he has immediately written on her arrival brought us great joy. I was expecting it pr. I know you keep your promises. So she's obviously said all right as soon as i get their. Your uncle was particularly happy as he read your deeply heartfelt and affectionate letter you emotion. He felt when you left. Dear little leoni did not make him ill. He has a number of physical struggles at this point in. Apparently that's why he was not able to accompany laney on the trip to the monastery the visitation monastery and their fear was because she had become so much a part of their household their own. Two daughters had left the home so leoni was very central to their life during the years that she spent after her failed third attempt in religious life until she makes this fourth attempt which is a four years that she spends with them and she's become an integral part of the family for them so it's hard for them to have her go thanks to god. His health seems to be steadily improving. But i won't hide from you that the house seems huge to us. And that we both miss you my darling and part of why i want to quote this letter is that We just get a retrospective insight into what loni meant to them during the years that she was with them he side. You must be thinking it. I'm not teaching you anything by saying so in other words you you know how much you mean to us in however missing you it was to be expected and what we must do now is to serve god in whatever capacity calls us so her faith is so much at the fingertips of this wonderful woman. I'm not surprised that you received a warm welcome from the reverend mother. And all your new sisters the already get an indication that the climate has changed in the monastery. I'm very grateful to them. You needed to be shown. Lots of motherly affection of on arriving. I could see you were suffering greatly and i myself was suffering for being unable to drive you there. L. a. my guess is that what she's saying is that her her husband couldn't go with leonie probably for health reasons and for reasons that her aunt doesn't specify she herself was also unable to accompany leoni so it may have been that leonie took the train by herself. Of course all her sisters in the convent and none of them can come if so that would have been a hard thing for her so her aunt is really happy to know that the initial reception went well that she's been received with such tenderness which he knows. Leoni really needs. If this is going to work in any case my darling i myself was suffering for being unable to drive you there. I would have really wanted to go with you. But for whatever reason was she was unable was she carrying for her husband. Away he needed. Who knows what it was in any case my darling now. You have fulfilled your desires. May god continue steering your little boat so that it might arrive safely at port. Your year of hardship is over. Now you're beginning in new life one that you are already a little familiar with progress courageously and rely heavily on god and trust everything to him just as you were doing and expect everything from him while working as hard as you can on your side. Of course we will do everything in our power to help you. It's true that our prayers are very feeble. But god will hear your name often. She goes on with some further details and then she concludes. I will leave you now. Dear little leoni a send you our deep affection as always and lots of love and kisses from your uncle and myself united to you in prayer in the heart of jesus. Please give our respects to the reverend mother your aunt. Who loves you with all her heart. Silly get. I would imagine that only i would. Maybe it's wrong for me to presume. That's but that the family her guardians as it were those she was in their care and quiz living with may have received some assurances. That should be treated differently this time before. They even put her on that train. Do you think that that's plausible. I think so in the sense that may not that somebody from the monastery would have communicated directly with him but they would have known as laya knew that there was a new wind blowing so to speak in the monastery now and that things were different which gave a whole new hope that this might work out. So i'm sure they would have known that if leone knew that certainly they would have known that you know will be through her right. This is two days after her ans- letter and this is leoni is first letter to her. Three sisters in the carmel. Now that she's in the visitations so my religious beloved little sisters so my religious life has begun. Yesterday i joined the novitiate on a firm footing resolve to walk the right path. Whatever the cost. I think you can already here in there that this is not that naive confidence and exuberance that we saw in some of her earlier attempts even the book. Caballero has already indicating that. There's a new maturity here resolve to walk the right path. Whatever the cost. I am perfectly happy and under strong and gentle direction. There's the big difference. That's what will again make the difference in her life and strong and gentle direction which he no way resembles the others might earlier experiences. Oh how can i put into words. The deep motherly tenderness which god has put into the hearts of my directors. No i never have found a truer and deeper affection. It exceeds anything i ever imagined. You know it strikes me as we read this. That lay oni didn't need much affection to blossom even the slightest affection to her just caused her to blossom. And here she's getting outpouring of it. You know from the sisters in charge of her i joined. I was quite moved yet. Full of trust and my first words after throwing myself into my mother superiors tender armies. Were these i leave here. It's true but only in a coffin. So she's determined this time that she is not going to leave. Then i spent quite a while before the blessed sacrament and though i was mute in his presence i felt that jesus understood me and this was enough to bring me deep peace. Our little tarez has shown me so. She's now in the story of soul has shown me that she is continually by my side. By means of strength which motivates me and everything. I do if her three living sisters will accompany her through their letters tarez. She is firmly convinced and she has experienced experienced. Tarez also accompanying her spiritually. Our mother said to me a little while ago. Do not be afraid. You'll see your soul will swell with contentment or prediction came true to the letter. Darling sisters see how spoilt i am. I'm permitted to have the portrait of our angel tarez in the cell. So they're very strict on these things. Normally what you have is limited only to the bare essentials but these are the signs that this time the people in charge are not insisting on every last detail of austerity but the understand her needs so it's a small sign but this is the kind of thing that multiplied in their treatment of her is making the difference. I'm joyfully making the most of this permission and when it is taken away i shall be happy all the same. I'm ready to make all the sacrifices assisted me at the moment. I am so little and so weak. That i still need treats so she needs this extra permission just to see the image of tarez whenever she's in her cell as an encouragement. She's humble enough to say. I'm so little so weak that i need these things. She's very grateful. The maybe later. I won't tell be taken away. But now i need them and it's in the same way that with a kind of wisdom she asks for these regular letters from her sisters which will play such an important part in her life. I want to grow and stay little at the same time. Since he's absorbing tarez little way. My only ambition is this to hide like the humble violet under the leaves of perfect submission so that my superiors can do with me. Exactly what they please which is her way of wanting to be completely available to jesus now. Let's just note that she says my only ambition is to hide like a humble violet. And she's actually referring to tarez story of a soul at this point when she sees herself as a violet in l. quote something one of the biographies of leonie probably the first one as far as i can see. It's the first one has this title. God made the violet to The life of leonie's sister of saint tarez was written in nineteen forty eight as i say as far as i know this was the first of the biographies of leilani so it's actually written only a few years after her death and it's written by a carmelite priest father albert dolan merican priest who died in nineteen fifty. One was a very fine preacher. A writer of popular spiritual books he wrote over fifty of them early on he became very drawn to tarez and he became really the the principal propagator of devotion to her in this country course through many of his writings. He founded the society of the little flower. Hundreds of thousands of people joined this. He built a shrine to tarez again new jersey and so he was one who introduced millions of people to terresa. He actually met leonie will see that a little bit later. We'll look at that meeting. And he wrote about his meeting with her when he writes this biography. Leoni this title. He gives a god made the violet to and he's quoting in at the very beginning of the story of his soul. Tarez has this discussion of this question. I used to wonder. Why is it that god gave such heroic great sanctity some people and seemingly so much less to others great saints like theresa avalon augusta and so on and others who seem to have much humbler situation and then she's looking at flowers. I understood it. Where's the rose is stands out among the flowers for its beauty and his perfume and the rest. But if you didn't have the lillies in the violence in the daisies and the others you wouldn't have the tapestry of beauty which you see if you go out into a field or out into nature. The beauty comes from the tapestry of all of these flowers put together. And this is where god made the violet to. And that's when he is referring to and she says hey. I want to be a humble violet. I'm not trying to be arose. I'm too weak. I'm to limited to ever try to be like the great saints. But i can be a violent father. Dolan comments this in that passage. Saint says gives us in effect a summary of the life of leonie and we shall see that the humble violet of the blessed garden of the martin family had fragrance special grace and beauty of its own and reveals very eloquently. The wonderful wondrous workmanship in the creator. God made the violet to and that's the sentence said to houston has the title of his book. So that's what leoni is referring to here when she says my one. Ambition is to be a humble violent. Our dear sisters in the novitiate are very good to me. I already loved them very much. Our little novitiate consists of two professed nuns with black pales acquire novice interns sisters over various degrees a- belonging to the monastery at that time since the council all of that's been removed. But they were there. At that time i end. The only posture lint. But soon i hope to have companion namely a former pupil of our dear visitation of khan and this is as mentioned others of her earlier companions at this time lay he enters in january of eighteen ninety nine and her formation progresses and everything is on track not that she has no struggles but this time everything is proceeding in the usual way he receives the habit and then the decision is made that she will be admitted to professor vows. There were no temporary vows so the admission to profession of oz really was the point of definitive acceptance into the religious community and the commitment to live this for life and that was the point that she had never been able to reach in her preceding three attempts to enter religious life. This time Usually what happens is the superiors and the sisters in charge of formation meet and they discuss the individual. They make a decision as to whether she should be admitted to final vows and the decision is now made now in the spring of one thousand nine hundred that leone will be admitted to perpetual vows. This means that the long years of wandering and struggle and uncertain future are finally ending. Wanna read a letter from her sister pauline. When she first learned that this is going to happen and she writes to leoni so this is may fourteenth leoni will professor vows on july second so obviously the decision has recently been made and leoni has informed her sisters in the carmel of this her sister. Pauline mother agnes of jesus in religion is writing her response to leoni beloved little sister. What a joy exclamation point. What a surprise exclamation point. This news just comes when she's not expecting it. It made me we with happiness. There are no words to convey my feelings. We haven't forgotten little sister that we promised you your crown of roses for the day of your profession. Pauline and the others will do these these little acts of great for lanny throughout all the remaining years and they've told her that when you profess vows we want to be the ones to make the crown of roses that you'll wear in the ceremony because the sister professing her bows her espousal with christ would be dressed like a bride and they wanted to be the ones to make the crown and it would have the significance of tarez roses from the carmel. In these you so very much like a sister. Tell us what you'd like it to be made of. You want there to be buds in it. What pictures would you like for the keepsakes. It is our mother. Wants me to ask you these questions as the prior in these you but above all tell us when the big day is because they don't yet know maybe most likely leonie herself at this point doesn't yet l. I see from your letters that you are really happy. I'm so grateful to your deer mothers. Oh please keep telling them that will try to show how grateful pool. We are by praying for them. Goodbye darling sister. What else do you want me to say in heaven. You'll know everything that goes through my head and heart about you and so the prophecy of our dear and from the mall has come true. Can you remember how struck we were to read in one of her letters. I cannot help but believe that this child will become a visitation nun. I send you a big kiss sister. They're all do this and other letters. They send kisses through their letters. I send you a big kiss. Little sister at the risk of ruffling your little white veil the one that will soon be replaced by that of the professed nuns as she has the white male lead the novices war to be replaced by the veil of the professed. And then she says. I can't believe it sla mation point. You're loving little sister. Agnes of jesus and then she adds our dear reverend mother in the whole community share in your joy about a month later also in view of her profession. We have a letter from her. Uncle is the door to leonie beloved little. Layla knee and so your boat has reached port. Many cross winds thwarted your arrival because god saw fit to let you ripen and make you worthy of the great honor. You thought you know. It's striking me as were reading these letters from these various members of the family those who are religious and those who are late at like the aunt and uncle here just how central their faith is to everything in how they see everything in the light of god's workings in their lives you no doubt oh this result to the abundant graces gave you in reward for your perseverance. So he's names to that perseverance yet. You also oh a to your deer and capable mother superior who guided you and helped you to avoid the pitfalls i share in your joy my darling because i feel that a part of the honor given to you is reflected on me. I think that for the last twenty two years so that was when she was fourteen and the family moved to these you and now that she's thirty six over the twenty two years. She's lived in these you. You have been like a daughter to me. And that you're and i have striven to prune your faults and imperfections not without great difficulty at times. Did this is really again. We'd get sidetracked but is a door could be a little more blunt than the others in the family. He's being very loving here. But this is a door being loving now. That's all over. My mission is entirely complete. God gave me seven daughters his own to and the five martin sisters after the death of their mother and i have given six of them to him as for the seventh. That's his daughter. jean. Who's mary living out in the world. She is sanctifying herself with her. Holy husband through suffering in strikingly the one thing that he's focusing on is the response to god of all of his children living the life of holiness. What an honor. This is for me. What immense grace's. I've received particularly over the past four months fatherhood year. Who knows about them wasn't afraid to tell a young missionary the day before yesterday. That some that some of these grace's could be qualified as miracles. Helped me to thank god my darling when you pronounce your vows. Ask him to give me patience. And and that sort of the letter. Breast of the letter is not giving here. I probably patient his own illnesses that he's dealing with at this point but those letters are interesting because they give as i say kind of retrospective look at the love that they all have for leoni the goodness that they see in her and the awareness of her struggles and their concern for her and the immense delight finally the long uncertainty is resolved and she has settled for life at this point and in the way that she'd so long for now we have loonies own letter to the first letter that she writes after her profession a month later to her three sisters in the carmel and at this point she has taken the religious name that will keep for the rest of her life and she is sister. Francois's that as so the says from tarez her sister had francois's from saint francis to sales and so in the name you have the two pillars of her spiritual life henceforth. These two saints fit so well together actually in their sense of gentleness and of god's love and encouragement so she says beloved little sisters. What do you make of this overly long delay. It's been a month since the profession. i haven't ridden. I'm counting on your indulgence with. Fortunately never lets me down. I've had many urgent letters to right. It's true which is interesting that we have the letters that loony road to her sister's but she obviously wrote a good many other letters. And i'd like to hope that someday i imagine someday this will happen if her 'cause goes forward and i have a i don't really as i've said have any doubts that will that the entirety of her letter someday would be published. Be wonderful to have them all. I've had many urgent letters to right. It's true including one to mrs model owned. That was the model on families who were cousins to the get an family who sent me a superb bouquet for my profession phone. The you had seen the alter that day all you could see release. She's very much as the women's appreciation for these things as feared delightful letters dearest sister so they've all been writing to her in the meantime. How can i describe my emotions. As i read them. They were against my heart for the precious and too brief time that i spent under the funeral. Paul so a part of the ceremony is sense of. We don't do this anymore in these ceremonies as an indication of her leaving the world behind she'd be prostrate and a funeral. Paul is laid over for a while and she praised in silence actually in profession ceremonies and ordination ceremonies. You still do have the prostration but of course without the funeral paul but at that time you had it. And if i read her letter correctly she had these letters from her sister held some pocket over habit pinned right at her heart so her heart would have been touching them at that point. That's that's how dear important they were to her. I had so much to say to. Jesus during that brief time of quiet prayer. However i don't think i forgot anything. What a wonderful day it was. We've never heard they only use the kind kind of language which will follow nothing. Could disturb my perfect calm or the heavenly peace with which. My soul was flooded. Never no never have been so happy striking thirty six years and this is the happiest day of her life by car beloved tarez it was without regret interro says set of her own day of profession in the story of a soul in the evening of this heavenly de i watched as my pretty crown was removed and placed at the feet of the sacred heart and the blessed virgin because time won't take away my happiness. And here's what really makes her happy and his final settling in her life for. I am the spouse of a god and will remain so for eternity and that's what her profession means for. When i woke the next day i was so happy to be able to press profession cross against my heart if you look at pictures of leonie. Visitation sisters have a across that hangs around their neck. And you see it. It's a it's not overly large but it's part of the habit that's what she's referring to here. I was so happy to be able to press profession cross against my heart. This blessed cross has cost me so much and we've seen the long and troubled difficult journey towards him. I said myself. I have at this time. Nothing can take it from me now. Across of which i speak is the silver cross containing relics that we conspicuously where day and night on our chests for the details and then she concludes. I send you my love little sisters and all the affection that my heart is capable of giving it's such bliss to fully belong to jesus you've been listening to a sister of saint tarez servant of god leoni martin bear of hope with father timothy gallagher to here and our to download this episode along with hundreds of other spiritual formation programs visit discerning hearts dot com or you can find it on the discerning hearts free app. This has been a production of discerning hearts in cooperation with the oblates of the virgin mary. We hope that if this has been helpful for you that you will. I pray for our mission and if you feel as worthy consider a charitable donation which is fully tax deductible to help support our efforts most of all. We hope that you will tell a friend about discerning. Hearts dot com and join us next time for a sister of saint threads serving god leoni martin fair of with father timothy gallagher.

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"Story Move Super Yours many years ago and a friend in two different turn them into save his life when he was killed when he won great friendship who to hello now playing listeners. It's your Coho Stewart the word hoping to take a moment of your time to talk not just about movies but fairy tales specifically a fairytale that begins once upon a time in Italy when a gregarious sinophile who barely spoke English plucked an untested American aircon actor out of his T._V. Cowboy show and made a trilogy of Classic Spaghetti Westerns I'm of course talking about Clint Eastwood and his director Sergio Leoni and if you are now playing donor to spring you've already heard Jacob Arnie and myself off discuss that story in podcast dedicated to a fistful of dollars for a few dollars more and the good the bad and the ugly but the fairytale did not end their surgery Leoni struck out for Hollywood Hollywood and wound up with two more pieces of cinema gold in his resume and this time he did it without his man with no name star Clint Eastwood first off once upon a time in the west brought together genre superstars Charles Bronson and Henry Fonda as well as Bandido Jason robards for a showdown with a railroad baron trying to seal land from beneath a beautiful widow. I don't mind spoiling that this is actually one of my very favorite movies of all time. Take a listen to a clip of the show. I like this opening. I liked the sound design. I did notice it when there's very little talking except for that old coot at the very beginning at hard not to notice and I am actually I was obviously in your screenwriting class but I was sitting jotting down in my notes. What do I think is going on? A black man comes in. I'm like Oh God. Please don't tell me racist evil. Don't tell me that the big bad guy in this film is going to be a black man because he's black and how did they get the fly to stay in that man scrub for so long I was just jotting down my thoughts as I was going through the scene trying to figure out what it was I was seeing you. You didn't recognize the actors I take it none of them no well you know again. We're not western Aficionados it again. This is nine hundred sixty nine not my generation right but what he strode the Black Guy was V. token black guy and all the John Ford Westerns every every western Fan would know this guy as a helpful character the fact that he's packing heat and the fact that he's GonNa get gunned down at the end of this would have really blown people away. This whole setup really is high noon except the differences the good guys are now the bad guys the people waiting for the train to arrive and to kill the guy arriving are people we should fear now and we know that instantly we may know what he strode in Jack Elam as cowboy icons but we can sense that their image is being played midwest or not. I may not know them cowboy icons but I could tell they were bad because of how they treated the old man well. I like how they're showing this passage of time. It's I think this is a film about saying. Capitalism and commerce is going to do away with the cowboy and there's not a whole lot of glamorous cowboy. So what are these three guys doing whether waiting ones trying to get a fly that won't get office face. I'm with you Arnie. I don't know how they got that fly to just stay there pre C._G._I.. Yes they spread jelly on his face. I read it wow okay dripping on the hat and the guy drink the water from the brim like it doesn't feel glamorous. These three guys sitting around waiting for what reassume is probably going to be a shootout Renault. They're waiting for someone again. That trains aren't gonNA show up for over. Nine minutes you know what this film reminded me of a lot and it starts right here but it's throughout this whole film is the hateful eight and I got to thinking about Tarantino's use of long scenes and drawing and things out. It's one of the things if you go back and listen to our Tarantino retrospective series that often would ding him for is being overly indulgence in some of these regards and you've told me when we were doing the man with no name trilogy. Leona China is Tarantino's favorite director. I now see many times where he's aping the style but you liked it. Sil- in this moment is what you're said. Yes very much no got so it can be effective when US while I I agree with you Tarantino indefinitely definitely indulge his dialogue too much and that's the difference between him and Leoni is that he doesn't let us go quiet. The LEONI has no problem leading ten minutes. Go by with nothing going on. I saw Tarantino do this scene in kill bill if you remember when they go to the house of blue leaves. There's even a windmill. He tries to do it but he can't help himself. People gotTA talk well. I'll say this about Tarantino coincidentally. I could've seen this in theaters. He just showed this as of this recording session at his new Beverly Theater and yeah he was saying this is film school in a single movie so obviously very influential. I feel that will accept your rights. There's not the talking and there's something just again about this ambient noise the win meal and just the way I love the Spaghetti Westerns when they just walk across the floor the way they boot sound and just that anticipation building without them talking it just adds a sense of tension and what will happen when whoever showing up on the straight gets there and then once upon a time in America Leonis final film the Great Robert Deniro returns to New York City decades after prohibition to hunt down the million dollars that was taken from him and his gangster friends. It's a movie movie unlike any other. It's very hard to even describe imagine the Godfather on opium you can listen to Jacob Arnie and I tackle some of this four hour hetty epic in the following clip. This was the film I was actually looking forward to most in the silver level of the donation drive. I mean this movie came out in the eighties and is not a western. It's not a western but more importantly it came out in the eighties and as I've said repeatedly on the show I'm more of a fan of modern films with their cutting and their aesthetic and their music and just their style and so to see a movie that came out in an era where I was an active movie participants I I was really excited to see and admittedly in the first few minutes I see that time has moved on but Leona has not a lot of his signature languid pace and use of sound effects and ways to unnerve unnerve and audience member persist yeah but if that is modern Ville making it should be pointed out. You're acting like modern filmmaking began in the eighties. No it really began into sixties in Leoni was one of the people to write that new grammar for how film works oh I'm not denying that has started in the sixties but I view film basically like that Evolutionary Chart of ape to upright man and in the sixties we might have been in the Neanderthal era and we started to get more homo sapiens in the late seventies. I'll admit I've personally it's always more of a challenge for me to go back and see films that were made prior to my own birth. I find anything that predates the seventies to be intrinsically less interesting to me for whatever reason which is not say. I don't love many films from decades prior to my birth but it is a bias that I know that I have. I actually thought this movie was sixties. Movie I had always known about it but it was something that got mentioned in film school but no one ever showed it to me. I didn't know anyone and that knew it or pushed it on me and I just assumed I mean had the look and feel it sounded like something. Leoni had made really early in his career I had no idea wasn't eighties film because I don't remember it coming out. I mean I would have been the audience. Keep in mind but I feel like I should know. This movie should've seen it on a marquee right. That's how I feel too but when you mentioned the films that opened against I certainly had my attention focused elsewhere that week and for that month in fact. But Yeah I mean I was aware of Godfather films and things that came out before my birth gangster films buying large seemed to loom large in that time and you can hear our reviews of the godfathers I really really enjoyed those films despite being considerably older than this one but I was just yeah I was surprised by the film grammar and the techniques used here just felt much more in line with his good bad and ugly trilogy. Do you think it fits that aesthetic early on like when you see this beating a fat Mo- very gruesome very bloody reminded me of kind of shocking violence he would use in the Spaghetti westerns that he did decades earlier the which would really was shocking including the pink blood that does not read. I it would have expected different blood by eighty four act. You think that it has the sheen you like if you stepped in and turned us on you might think for thirty seconds or more you are watching godfather to like it. Has that dark look which again it was something I really associate with the Coppola film of like most gangster films prior to this didn't have that overhead lighting Izhak it's dark. There was just a dismal depressing quality to the nostalgia that yes started hearted really with Coppola Robert Deniro being the cast and certainly the beginning here. You would think oh I didn't remember that Vito Corleone had an opium habit but he might think this godfather at first which is part of the trick because ause if you're expecting a godfather experience bore you in for something when we get to that final hour it's like that for a couple of minutes until you get to that opium den and then I feel like oh we're gonNA Leoni film on the side because we're just gonNa have music and imagery injury and no dialogue to tell you what's going on your just kind of trying to piece together and then for the next three hours plus we're going to reveal what you just saw on these opening scenes and what they mean the opening moments of this movie no one knows who anyone is as everyone is looking for Robert Deniro and it's just a litany of mob movie cliches we just see a dame walk into a apartment and she can't turn on the light because well we saw godfather to that's how you assassinate someone you unscrew the light bulb and and you get them in the dark and there's even like a bullet outline of a silhouette of a man in the bed yet. Did the mob do that you know. I think that they're just throwing it all in here. This is what you expected a mob movie. Let's just do it. Yes some guy is tied up to a punching bag and getting punched to oblivion and then yeah when we get to the shadow puppet theatre. I think it asked the first question about what's real or not again. They're shadow puppets. Is that a symbol of something the the fact that we're going to see Robert Deniro lie down take a hit from pipe and that will be the final image of the film is everything that happens certainly in his future a figment of his drug addled bind. There are those theories that exist assist. I wondered that with the last shot because the last shot confuse the hell out of me. I'm like wait a SEC. It's not like he's an old man. Going remember that time I was younger and really getting high so it does make me wonder it's not even the last shot. It is the ending sequence like from garbage truck on. I don't know what Israel and more importantly when you look at the stuff that will happen to him. In nineteen sixty eight they echo things that happened in his past and so you can extrapolate extrapolate the things that we know to have happened to him in Childhood and during the prohibition era to be things that would be on his mind on who knows what opium does. I don't know if you could completely create what largely looks like an accurate representation of the sixties sixty with the Beatles and everything I mean if I were to think about the future from thirty five years from now. I'm sure it's not gonNa look like what it actually will be but who knows maybe opium gives them that power might my point is some people really loved the idea the <hes> that everything that he's going to experiences a drug dream. I personally don't like that interpretation. I never like it was all a dream that has always aggravating to me and it's not going to be one that I'm going to argue strongly for. I thought about that and like okay. What does it mean dean of? This is all a dream at once upon a time and fairy tales dreams. Maybe they go together. I think it's a stronger film if it actually happened though I don't think there's much of an argument to make what the meaning of this film is if it's all just drink. These two shows complete the five podcast arc that we're calling spring two thousand nineteen silver level donation series and it can be acquired win and you had to now playing podcast dot com and make a ten dollar donation believe it or not that fistful of dollars is what keeps our show operating we could not tackle all the things we do in a given year all the movie series from marvel all to Halloween without the financial support of listeners like you and if you're a Tarantino fan looking forward to his new movie opening this weekend. You're GONNA WANNA hear US breakdown these Leoni once upon a time shows. 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Season 5 - Episode 7

They Walk Among Us

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Season 5 - Episode 7

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This podcast is intended for mature audience. Listener caution is advised. The disappearance of Madeleine McCann A three-year-old the went missing from a Portuguese holiday resort in two thousand and seven as being widely covered by the media. Back in Nineteen ninety-five. Another three-year-old went missing wall. It's a holiday park. This is the case of Leoni Keating. The end of Nineteen, ninety, four David en- gales relationship was either. The constant fighting and arguing made it impossible to stay together. Even, if just two years earlier, they had welcomed their daughter Leonie into this World Queen Charlotte's Maternity Hospital in. Hammersmith. Gayle Keating Fred the couple's home in north halt. West London. She moved to a women's hostel in Acton along with her daughter's eleven year old Nikola known as Nikki. And Leoni. A partner Ran Leonis Father David Cornell moved to Battersea in the south of the capital a custody battle for Leoneans shoot between Gail and David. Burt by August the following year, the courts made their decision. The irony would remain in the care of her mother. Gail was ecstatic and whence out for a celebratory meal at a pub with her mother, Joyce biker and her stepfather. Charles. Later that month the refuge where she was still staying hood organized the trip for Gail Lanta daughters along with the other residents. The Seashore Caravan Park in Great Yarmouth Norfolk was almost a three hour drive away. Gail was given the keys to k twenty four, just one of the thousand nondescript holiday homes. Rows of identical Brown and cream caravans sat side-by-side. Nikki and three-year-old Leoni spent the next few days playing on the nearby Sandy beach eating ice creams and enjoying the children's entertainment. Comfort and child. Leoni made friends with other children at the holiday park. The week long trip had gone plan and with only one night left on the evening of Friday September thirteenth nine, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, five. Nikki wanted to go to the onsite disco with a friend. The pair would be accompanied by Gail, who would arrange for a babysitter to come and watch Leoni from ten thirty PM. The told, Lois. Usually a sound sleeper. Often resting quietly throughout the night. Gail cooked her door to dinner go Leoni into her pajamas and by nine pm she was in a deep sleep after a busy day taking in the refreshing Sia. Ten o'clock rolled around and gallant and her daughter Nikki will looking forward to going to the disco. There was still half an hour until the babysitter was due to arrive. She was staying in the caravan next tool. A new GAL is she was a resident of the refuge to. Gal. Later said it's another woman was staying in a caravan opposite was also going to keep an eye out. Leonis mother then made a decision that would impact the rest of her life. She decided to take a chance and leave Leoni sleeping align. Gal she locked the door off the she left. The baby sitter arrived light sometime around eleven pm. Entered the unlocked caravan. She noted Leoni was not there. She made the assumption that Leonie's mother had changed his mind and decided to take her daughter with. The baby sitter left and a twelve thirty am gallon Nikki returned to an empty and and looked caravan. Couple of hours later after a frantic search with Leoni still missing. The police were called in. At first, they thought the total had unlocked the door and left the caravan to find her mother and sister. Maybe, a kindly holiday maker had taken her in until morning. But she was nowhere to be found. After hours of searching. It was apparent that Leonie was not at the Caravan Park. Nine clues as to where the child might be your uncovered. So subsequent search of the see-sawed was carried out. Offices were of the opinion that Juta young age. Leoni could not last more than forty eight hours on her on. A loudspeaker speaker announcement was broadcast by detective Chief Superintendent Raja Sandal at the Yarmouth races appealing to the hundreds of attendees at the horse racing venue on the Norfolk coast to join the search for the missing three-year-old. A helicopter could be heard overhead carrying out an aerial search of the coastline and Caravan. Park won't two lifeboats true the water. The mood of the holiday makers quickly shifted from what was a cheerful and carefree atmosphere following the arrival of over fifty offices searching for Leoni long with a specialist team that employed the use of several sniffer dogs. Police. Considered if the bright lights of the amusement arcade on the had attracted the Shell to wonder in that direction. Sach was carried out on questions harassed. But no one had seen the three-year-old. Several days passed. Gayle Keating appeal for her daughter Safer Turn to press conference. Afraid of anything she would have made straight for the life definitely on people and she was cold defined on someone's car rental. I didn't know young boys always take an interest in the she has been chanting. Attitude about teaming. Even, where I live. Over senior. Businessmen at thousands of pounds for inflammation. In three hundred holidaymakers joined the search for the toddler don seen in pajamas. Align was formed near the Seashore Caravan Park. The public help scour every inch of the beaching case Leoni had wandered off in the direction of the sea and got in trouble. Subsequently being washed up on the sand. She wasn't found on that stretch of beach. Body was discovered in water. My sixty miles away around baltin mills village in West Suffolk next to the a eleven road. The scene was located beside a popular picnic site close to a large roundabout beyond some prickly Bush's. Four days after Leoni had disappeared a pair of locals out for a walk stumbled upon the body of a small child bloating in a murky drainage canal which led to the river Lark. The total is hands were tied behind her back with yellow washing line. And she was wearing only a light blue. Pajama top. Leonie had no hope of saving herself once in the water. Following the discovery a police spokesman issued a statement. We have no idea how long the body had been in the water. having said that we would not appeal to anybody who is visited the picnic site, all the immediate area but he failed at night may be able to help up leasing cars to get in contact with us at the incident room at Milroy playstation playstation. Peonies. Body was taken to the mortuary at West Suffolk Hospital. The postmortem found that the three-year-old drowned my slide clearly on Saturday morning a few hours after she was taken. Even, more horrifying. That was evidence of a severe. Sexual. Assault. People living in the area have reacted with shock to the news of Leonis brutal death in a nearby pub. Locals couldn't contain their feelings of revenge and bitterness. Warrick. Mitch, to the same epidemic blowing the doors myself just quite a bit older things subsidies coasted honestly. On the quicker to get the person to justice in our think I think. In most people's views on. Most people in the field now because he's Day on the. Veni. Totally shocked. Done. What's the sad thing is this constant when I found these or pay, they're not hard enough with them. That's the trouble with him why they carry on doing it. Got To be sick riveted in with I mean. Investigators got to work immediately at the crunchy. Plaster casts were taken of some shoeprints found in the mud on the bank near the toddler's body. Dive is examined the waters of the muddy canal hoping to find clues particularly the bottom half of Leonis pajamas was still missing. they are Pale, blue. Pajama bottoms naturally to fit a three year old child. they may be on route somewhere between on and boughten mills. They may be at bought mills and that he's wanting, we're conducting a major search area. Have you any idea real? Can you give some indication of the sort of person you're looking for? You're looking for a very callous person he must be to have done this to center. If he might have learned the area. There is a possibility of course, the eleven is a major trunk road. With David Cornell identified his daughter's body. Afterwards he would have to be sedated. Recalling his daughter. To. Set. The only was one in a million cannot be replaced. If she had one fatal flaw. It was she was too friendly. Choose a three year old who acted like a nine year-old. Leonis father spike about his feelings towards the person responsible for his daughter's death. I would like to have thirty minutes alone in a cell with him. David along with other family members plan to stain Great Yarmouth until the Papa tried to had been court. Gale. Found accommodation in a local hotel and was joined by her mother Joyce. He try to comfort a DOTAM. The investigation into a missing person had quickly turned into a murder inquiry. A search by scene of crime offices was underway as they come the waterways nearby picnic sought. A vital piece of evidence was discovered by chance. Two days after Leonis body was found a taxi driver stopped the Goldstein to great yarmouth bypass for a short break. Around Midnight Graham lights put his headlights on and spotted something dark on the ground. When he left the taxi to check lights lighter said he felt ill when he realized it was a small pile blue pair of Pajama bottoms. had been following the case in the news lie to ready knew who they belong to. And called the police. After the discovery offices did use Leoni had been abused in Great Yarmouth, just three and a half miles from the caravan site before she was driven the seventy miles to where she was ultimately killed. Ten days after Leonis mud detective chief Superintendent Eric Shields told the press. The Picnic area was a popular spot for courting couples and he appealed to anyone that was there on that night to come forward. Discretion was guaranteed. DC S Shield set. We want these people to come forward. If there is the slightest chance they might have seen or heard anything unusual that night. On the tonight that they have nothing to fear from our enquiries. We. Don't want to know what they were doing or who they will with. Our only interest is to find Leonis killer before he strikes again. T thousand five hundred calls came flooding in from potential witnesses who was staying at the Caravan Park. Some cool is believed they held a vital clue on new. The murderer police was so desperate to find. Additionally four thousand people flock to the Seashore Caravan Park for a light some holiday when Gail Nikki and Leonie were that. Investigators would determine to question every one of the guests and most of the holiday makers had returned home to all parts of the country and it was a colossal task to try and find the mall. Some useful, information to filter back to investigators. Brown car was seen at the holiday park not far from the caravan wet Gail Nikki and Leonie was staying. But I the press incorrectly reported the vehicle is being Ford. However. The make was in fact Arriva. Offices decided not to correct the newspaper reports as a way to keep the investigators cards close to the chest so as to not spook. Killer. The washing line binding leonis wrists matched the type of line us Dan sold around the caravan park. During talks with holiday makers, detectives unearthed another incident occurred on the evening the three year old was taken. To women staying in a caravan came back to discover someone had forced their way in. A camera and some other items were taken. Soon after a handwritten note was slid under the door. The author claimed to have the camera. He said, he would return it if the women performed a sex act in front of the window. Surprisingly this was not something they agree to, and the fact of their belongings was reported to the like police. Was it coincidence or was it the same person? That's Leoni. Truly after Gayle Keating and Hurrell de two left their accommodation to go out. Some of the holiday makers from three-set per caravans said, they heard a small child crying mummy. Mummy. They cooled hearing it at different times throughout the night into the Leo's. Detective Chief Superintendent Rogers Sandal from the Norfolk police said. Were I had used after eleven pm. More about an hour later. And again, at one, forty, five am. The people who had the cries were in bed. No one was quite sure if the voice was Liam Neeson, one of the many other children holidaying within the grounds is the witnesses was staying in different locations on the sizable park. The television programme BBC brick, first time provided I considerable audience for an appeal. Following the announcement cools came flooding in. Looking through police records, it was initially considered the case May of being linked to an incident that happened three years earlier. Just like Liaoning, a child had been -ducted from a Caravan Park. Instant Tausif collected on sea in Essex. It was reported in this instance, the child was physically unharmed. Polling Co had been snatched from the park where her parents had a holiday caravan by a man she lighted described as quote. Fat. A full description was helpful to officers as they managed to make a photo fit of duct. And seen he had second thoughts about harming pauline by the time he got to Great Yarmouth. In the car he had learned about the child's life. She spoke a love of animals. Surprisingly Herod mission paid to resonate with her captor. Admitted that he wants spur akin to an animal laboratory. When they arrived a great yarmouth he dumped pulled lane tied up and gagged, and so the toilets on a South teens camping site. Two hour drive away from her original destination. Furthermore. There had been an attempted abduction just three months before Leoni was taken at Sign Caravan Park in Great Yarmouth. A fourteen year old was getting ready for bed. At parents were out having a drink in the camps. Club She owns said knock the caravans will. A man initially convinced about her parents had sent him to get her. But she had second thoughts outside when she saw and squirmed data the man's grasp to get away. Now of a, he had a knife and tried to stop the young teenager. bankerly she managed to escape with what was described in the press as minor injuries. She needed four stitches. An in yet another kidnap attempt that month. Woman in huff teas was also attacked the same seashore caravan parking great yarmouth. These two was linked to the other incidents. Detective, Chief Superintendent Derek Shields Head of Norfolk CEO ID working the investigation into Leoni's murder voiced his fears about the number of abductions and attempted abductions that were taking place. There is a waste such a danger at such pass and may strike again. During the time of Leonis abduction. They make is at the Seashore Caravan Park was showing the fighting fit and asked if anyone had seen someone similar the daily Leoni Keating disappeared. Witnesses believe bed seen a man acting suspiciously some said lunchtime. Some in the afternoon. Of as in the evening. And his description and daij varied. Finally feet to five feet, ten inches to sometimes wearing spectacles. The age span from twenty, five to forty five. The man's had parted on the left was wavy and brand, but grain on the site. He was reported to have a moustache and wore a camouflage jacket and a pair of dirty jeans. As the investigation unfolded offices manage to make a further link to the rover car when a witness reported seeing Schultz soaping in the back seat of the Brown vehicle around ten thirty pm on the night Leoni disappeared. In a horrifying coincidence, not even a week after Leoni Keating's abduction on mud. Two of the young children huddle say being killed in raw the high the south London. Seven year old Tina Beach. And a four year old friend Stacy Cavanaugh. While the incident had occurred nearly seventy five miles south from wely only was found. Detective. Chief Superintendent Derek Shield said about the possible link. I have got an open mind on all other cases. There are many other cases you could say could be linked. At they stage, I shall pursue this inquiry. But. Of course I bet those in mind? During that same period six-year-old Lewis also went missing from London just two days off to Leoni on September fifteenth they time from woolworth about four miles away from Tina beach shook and stacy cavernous home. It was understandable parallel loins withdrawn between these two cases by thin the price and within the police investigation. But when the bodies of stacey and then teen were lighter found, the murderer was identified almost instantly. This is a case we will be covering later in this season. Sadly the body of Barry, Lewis was not discovered until December that year. It fool and pray to Sydney Cook. Otherwise, known as Hissing Sid, it was part of a gang of paedophiles. Barry's murder was not linked to the only Keating's however, it was an awful land heartbreaking coincidence that the four young children had lost their lives in that same week. themselves. Mud is an cases of child disappearances in Norfolk were reopened and reexamined to see if there were any apparent links to Leonis mud. One such case was the disappearance of April Fab who went missing on April Eighth Nineteen sixty-nine. The only evidence left behind was the teenage is Boise. Signs of West she went or what happened. At as being over fifty years since her disappearance. And the case. Is Unsolved. Leoni Keating attended a nursery attacked and green primary school. The People's given lessons about the dangers of strangers. Praise fully only were offered in assembly. They young age, some of the children could no comprehend what had happened to their cost might. The parents of other people's are understandably frightened and horrified. Some the parents drew a petition which they plan to submit to a local MP. They wanted the death penalty to be reinstated for cases of shelled mud. A mother in the playground commented. Death may be the only deterrent for beasts the one who killed Lee owning. A. As a search for Leonis killer continued, the case was featured on an episode of BBC's Crimewatch. Gail. was wracked with guilt over leaving Huchon the. She told the Hammersmith and Shepherd's Bush. Gazette in the five weeks since her daughter's murder. Some of the tabloids had falsely reported on her actions during the nights Leoni went missing. Gal said once Hob Lloyd kind that she was gone LSD the knighthood child was murdered as she left the caravan without arranging babysit. And that she dropped Nikki of somewhere else. So she could bring a man back. Their allies, the lots of people that can back me up gail set. Leoni was fostered asleep and I thought the babysits would come back any minute. Cal went on to talk about how in the past she had never left. Leoni on her. It was the only time I left Leoni alone. Clearly of always being the one to say children should never be left alone. Usually, never took my oil flee only. This is something I will never forgive myself for. I will never get aren't A month light of the women's refuge where Gail and nicky was still living was broken into. Cows belongings were rifled through. And the thieves took some unnamed checks amounting to two thousand pounds The bereaved mother told the press. I'm very upset. About money was for the funeral and to get me in Nikki started again. As people across the country slightly heard the news of the theft while wishes sent funds to help. Luckily, most of the stolen checks was stumped before they could be cashed. Minus four hundred pounds. Own. Unexpectedly two months after Leonis mud. Newspaper reports confirmed on November. Twenty third. Suspect was being questioned. Twenty seven year old man from. Bedford was eventually charged and appeared at Mildenhall Magistrates Court in Suffolk two days light. Is the police fan pulled up with the suspect inside a group of people wanted outside angry poised ready to throw eggs at the VIC. Gary Hope was charged with Leonie Keating's mad. Your thirties were permitted to keep hopkins in custody until the trial. Until to light a court appearance, you'll save face further charges relating to the abduction and attempted abduction at the holiday parks in Essex and Great Yom. Despite the pouring rain in early December the angry crowds that would usually gather before Hopkins appeared in court had grown to fifty people. Wanting to catch a glimpse of the man responsible. Hawkins a good local knowledge of Yarmouth. He'd holiday did the show campaign one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, three people who know Hopkins remember him as unpopular and Alona who went out of his way not to talk to people his millman Wayne. Lock says some people even nicknamed him guts never spoked he was. Very happy person. It was a miserable person known home with him. There's about four flats up there. No one. going. To. Leoni Keating's funeral service was held in great yarmouth on December Nineteenth Nineteen ninety-five the Church of Saint Nicholas, who was the patron saint of children. Leoni system Nikola was in tears went on Jia data mother for leaving Leoni alone. And for wearing red shoes to the funeral. The small white coffin with a beautiful teddy bear created from tiny yellow flowers was the focal point of the front of the service. Reverend Richard Arlington Smith addressed the two hundred mourners that did not include Leonis father. Not even a week before Christmas, the Reverend Poignantly said. Listen Nicotiana on our banner seems a Roth a sat. Santa. And when you think about all the terrible things that have happened to children in recent months. And he has every reason to be set. This is this'll goals socialization Jarvis very sad. That I feel that. So we we need to pay the point of view if the church part of the town, a attribute to her because I think one of the great things that needs to come out for this is the tremendous value of human life, the life of a little girl, which so want it away with. it became too much regale Keating. Collapsed on the way to the crematorium. Gary Alec Hopkins Born in Romford Essex in nineteen, fifty, six counties childhood difficult. He had epilepsy and suffered from claustrophobia. nope. Kim's had trouble making friends. So he spent a lot of time with his grandmother who owned a Caravan Instant Tausif in Essex where polling co was later abducted. As a boy, he caused some concern at the holiday park when he would stay three the white windows of the static caravans and into running voided when people around to steal valuables lie cash in cigarettes. When Hopkins was a fourteen year old school student in which suffolk he was apprehended for exposing himself to girls. As the is past working life did not come easily to hopkins either. He struggled to read and write. The twenty four Hopkins started but did not complete to six month nurses training course. When he gets a job as a cook on a merchant nervy ship some thought it might just be the thing he needed. But the position wasn't last and he jumped ship because he couldn't tolerate the confined space of the bite. In September nineteen ninety-three he pleaded guilty to burglary at Norwich Crown Court and was convicted at a further trow lighting to the same charges he received twelve months and eighteen months respectively. The any evidence was an oral confession. He had made regarding the burglary of a club above a Bingo Holand amusement arcade where he worked as a Binga cold. Is Conviction was appealed the royal courts of justice. Me Arguments have a coerced confession was dismissed by three high. Court. Judges Hopkins. Council had suggested his client had been oppressed while in police custody. Oh climb that he was kept small into fever. Could not breath and started to panic. Moreover he fainted wall in the holes of the prison. Hope Kim was released less than a year into his sentence. His time in a small prison cell did not pass quickly. Nineteen ninety five, he was living with his partner and ha two children on seven way in Bedford. Gary Hopkins had been questioned by Bedford phychi detective constable poll right. Would only recently become a member of the C. ID after permission from the traffic police. The young officer like hundreds of other members of the police force around the country were asked to routinely question patty thieves but typically cat burglars during the investigation. Kim's nine came up on DC rights. List. His name had been mentioned by Norfolk detective constable P to wash. Won't should arrested hope skains in connection with his past burglary charges and was aware he had been apprehended for exposing himself. So raised Hopkins name with the investigating team. During questioning. The answers to the repeated queries. Hopkins was being asked by D. C. Right concerning Leonis disappearance kept changing. Furthermore the man in front of the Detective Constable Board. UNCANNY resemblance to the fighter fit. The detective asked Hopkins if he had ever bean to the Seashore Caravan Park and Great Yarmouth. Tokens. First response was that he hadn't. quit and could not sit still. DC right task again. It's time was fun at this time. Out Kim's then acknowledged that he had, and before long he was admitting that he was there during the period in which Leoni was abducted. At, first when asked Gary Hopkins said the tea did not have a car. However when questioned further, it was revealed he had disposed of his Brown Rove Motor vehicle a few days early. Kim was placed under surveillance and intern. A search warrant was action before Gary Hopkins was arrested on suspicion of murdering Leoni. Keating? Detective constable writes he was a father to a daughter just two years old van Leoni. was modest went asked about the capture of her suspected killer. He said something didn't Gel. If. I hadn't have checked him out like that. He would have been caught eventually. But this made it sooner rather than later. An undeveloped roll of film was discovered among Hopkins Belongings. Once processed the images showed the picnic software Leonis boaty had been left. Hopkins finally admitted to her abduction and sexual assault. However, he was adamant that he did not commit mud. He claimed the used one of his keys to get into the caravan without knowing the three year old was there. The light was on. The only was up and out of bed. Hopkins said he could not remember much else. The trial was held at Ipswich Crown Court June one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, six. Additional security was employees to cope with the angry crowds outside. One man stood beside a spray painted signed with the woods hanging shit sprayed across it. Gary Hope Canes was tightly facing charges relating to the mudder of Leonie Keating but for the abduction of polling Kyw from an Ethics Caravan site. And the attempted abduction of a fourteen year old. When Hopkins was asked how he pleaded? He, admitted to abducting Leoni. But denied murdering her. New. Before, the trial was even underway. Gary Hopkins. Counties head in his. Hands. Then after being offered water, he collapsed and crumpled in the Doak, only an hour and a half into the proceedings. To cut off the prosecutor Michael Hill showed the jury photographs of the location where three-year-old Leoni was left. Hopkins appeared to be out called. It took three quarter officials to get him up off the floor and put him in his seat. It took over twenty minutes to bring him. Round. Out Kim's call was loosened. and water splashed on his face. The entire cooled sat whiting more. Would come to light while he was in police custody. Gary Hopkins admitted to abducting sexually assaulting and tying up leonis hands with washing. Line. You refuse to accept he killed her. Instead saying that she was still conscious when he left the scene. Now, of the investigation had found an issue with Hopkins claim, he left Leoni alive. He said he left in a woodland nearby. When trying to reconstruct the child's movements detectives found it almost impossible for the. Three zero to get through the thick thorny bushes in front of the waterway she was found. Oh concetti it lifted how're over a fence when they arrived at the picnic spot? Then carried huts of the woodland nearby. He was asked if Leoni was screaming. Pumpkin said. Yes I. Put my hand over her mouth. A took her into the trees. Now far. Just a bit. In the interview he claimed he wasn't aware of the water nearby because of the darkness. You Win zone to tell the officer. Choose, crying and still tied up when I ran away. Reverse staff to the ride neely Laurie. I was in such a panic. A countdown off to that. took. Before the jury tips which Crown Court Prosecutor Michael Hill debunked Hopkins claims that he didn't put Leoni in the water. The prosecutor to set. The condition of her legs showed, she did not get her feet before stumbling through the forest unfolding down the riverbank into the water. The truth is that this man threw her into the water wall she was tied. She drowned because of his deliberate actions. Leonie's mother gail sat a few feet behind the accused throughout the trial. And at some point, she couldn't be in the same brim. Fleeing the court in tears. The trawl was sure to just three days and jurors we unanimous in their decision on each of the charges. Gary Alec Hopkins was handed a total of four life sentences and a minimum term of two and a half decades. The judge Mr Justice Man told Hopkins he would most likely die behind bars. Both. Leonis. Attended the trial but Gayle Keating and David Cornell made no contact with one another. Cornell was extremely vocal in the press speaking about both his daughter and his form upon. He told the Daily Express. She was a beautiful child. Out of this world, but my wife Gal was always leaving how relying. Too lenient as a mother whatever the children wanted to do was right with She went out the nightly only vanished because another daughter wanted to go to a club. And I'm believed there was a baby sitter at night. If there was why would gail look the Caravan Dole? Husband David Cornell has. Laid the blame on new partly for Leonese death. How'd you feel about that accusation? Quite honestly. I Don't concern myself with that Hispanic take mistake. Stu since of Gilts now about having. Car. I feel guilty us but. I also feel as I've said many times that. There were hundreds of other children that come side who left to learn. And I'm sure that every mother then must have thought. That could have been my child. And also said before I didn't kill him. Gal Stepfather wanted to offer sympathy to a mother who had lost a child. said. Gail was a good mother. There was plenty of love and affection. But I'm blame her for won't? Happen. Even. In the old days I remember my father and mother used to leave me sometimes. So awful. The worst happen this time. Gale would never normally leave Leoni align. Even when she came around here. She wouldn't let her run up the stats outside. Recalling the three year old, he said. Leoni. Was a beautiful kit. She could be a stubborn little devil and if he told her to do something, she wouldn't do it. But I love to. Walk. Following the trial. Gary help younger brother Wine expressed the opinion that there was no love lost between them saying. Wouldn't be surprised if someone in the family ton team into the police. We all knew what he was like. He was always his granny's fight for it. But even she realized in the end. Janet. Hopkins stood by her partner even after the trial where Hopkins confessed to sexually assaulting three three-year-old and was convicted of the same shells mud. The mother of two shockingly said. It would be wonderful to Mike Love. Or even spend a few days together wall he's in prison. But if not. Would like to have his baby through artificial insemination. After serving eight years, the minimum time Gary Hawkins would have to spend in prison before being considered for parole was increased by the Home Secretary. Hopkins would have to serve another five years. So where are we now? Gal Keating and her daughter Nikola left the refuge. Finding a home in Battersea. Ferry very grateful to the police Phil, what they've done. Effort. They put into it, which was terrific. and. The fact that he can't hurt anyone ever again. How do you feel about Gary Hawkins himself I can't really answer that. It's not an easy thing. I feel very bitter. Obviously. Gary Hopkins who had since changed his Themes appealed his minimum term of thirty years following the increase in the mid nineties. On. August. First two, thousand night. then. Fifty wrote pleaded his case before. London's High Court. You'd been in prison for twenty three years including time on remand. skains lawyers told Mr Justice field but that clients have made such good progress behind boss should be reduced. But the judge responded to this argument by saying. After a start. He's done very well education. He has a High Q.. However in my judgment, his conduct in prison has not been sufficiently exceptional to justify reduction in what would otherwise be the appropriate minimum Tom. SKAINS defense team also try to assert the to recently discovered diagnosis as hot part to play in the crimes. The judge responded to this point by saying. The application raises the argument that during the time of the mud, he may have been suffering from asperger's syndrome. If. He were these would not mitigate the she eve lan cruelty of the mud. The applicant was fit to played and did not fall within either of the rules, governing plays, of insanity. Furthermore there is nothing to suggest that asperger's syndrome woody given the applicant defense based on diminished responsibility. Gary. Hope KUENZ appeal was rejected by Mr Justice field. And the judge believed the sentence was fully justified. Hope or Xavi themes was eligible to apply for parole in two thousand and sixteen. Current whereabouts around nine. Thank you for listening. Special. Thanks to our new Patriot producer, nick, Evans and everyone who support us on Patriots. The more information on this episode. Please see the show notes or visit our website. They walk among US PODCAST DOT COM.

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Ep 3  A Sister of St. Thrse: Servant of God, Lonie Martin  Bearer of Hope w/Fr. Timothy Gallagher  Discerning Hearts Podcast

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Ep 3 A Sister of St. Thrse: Servant of God, Lonie Martin Bearer of Hope w/Fr. Timothy Gallagher Discerning Hearts Podcast

"DISCERNING HEARTS DOT COM in cooperation with the oblates of the Virgin. Mary presents a sister of Saint Tarez Servant of God Leoni Martin Bear of Hope With Father Timothy Gallagher Father Gallagher is a member of the Oblates Virgin Mary religious community dedicated to retreats and spiritual direction according to the spiritual exercises of Saint Ignatius of Loyola is featured on several series found on the eternal word television network. He's also the author of numerous books on the spiritual teachings up Saint Ignatius of Layla, and the Venerable Bruna lantieri founder of the plates. The Virgin Mary, as well as other works focused on aspects of the spiritual life. A sister of Saint Tarez serving God Leone Martin Bear of Hope His Father Timothy Gallagher I'm your host Chris McGregor. I'm delighted that we're able to have this conversation about Leonie learn more about her specially through. The is ver- mother and our previous conversations has just been such a delight with what a blessing for letters. It is such a blessing to able to see. Leonie through the eyes of the one who knew her best in these first fourteen years of her life and who? Is herself a saint obviously peaking of saints let's interject just two places at this point in the story of a soul where Saint Tarez speaks of need. So we'll stay with the chronology but still in terms of these first years in Leonis life, there are two points where Tarez speaks, Leoni. So this is early on in the first part of the story of a soul. where she speaks of her oldest two sisters, Marie and Pauline, and then turns to me. Dear Little Leoni held a warm place in my heart. She was very fond of me. And in the evenings when the family took a walk, she used to take care of me. I still seem to hear those beautiful lullabies she used to sing. To get me to sleep. She was always trying to find ways of pleasing me and I would be sorry if I caused her any trouble. I remember very well, her first communion and especially the moment when she picked me up in her arms, Tros was about maybe two and a half at this point. And carried me into the rectory. It seems so nice to be carried by a big sister all in white like myself. Well that's pure Tarez. No the just just the goodness. But in her own way, she's reflecting the warmth and the affection wet Leonis aunt called her heart of gold that's reflected there. And then the second a moment is this well known point when to says, I take them all. and. Let's read it as he describes it and then a little commentary on it. One day Leoni thinking she was too big to be playing any longer with dolls. Came to us with a basket filled with dresses and pretty pieces for making others. Her doll was resting on top. So the that you have there as Tarez describes, it is of a fairly large basket and it's filled with dresses for dolls and cloth of which other dresses could be made with Leoni's own doll resting on top. So it is presented as a pretty attractive said of items. And so Tony says here, my little sisters choose I'm giving you all of this. Saline. Stretched out her hand and took a little ball of wool with that. Pleased her after a moment's reflection I stretched out mind saying I, choose all. And I. Took the basket without further ceremony. Those who witnessed the scene saw nothing wrong and even selene herself didn't dream of complaining. Besides she had all sorts of toys her godfather gave her lots of presents and Louise. That's the made will be saying more about her pond ways of getting her everything she desired. So that's the incident and now Tarez, comments on this little incident of my childhood is a summary of my whole life. Now, that's pure Tarez. She can take the smallest things and see the greatest messages in them. Later on when perfection was set before me, I understood that to become a saint when had to suffer much seek out always the most perfect thing to do and forget self. Understood to there were many degrees of perfection and each soul was free to respond to the advances of our Lord to do little or much for him in a word to choose among the sacrifices he was asking. Then as in the days of my childhood, I cried out my God I choose all. I don't want to be a saint by halves I'm not afraid to suffer for you. I fear only one thing to keep my own will so take it or I choose all that you will. Know. In the first biography of Leoni which was written by a Franciscan priest to Father Stefan shows FBI spelled I. At. Who was really the first historian of the Martin Family and has written a number of books on various members of the family and the family as a whole and who is maybe almost the best writer and historian and commentator on the Martin family. There are other find writers, but he'll always have certain primacy as the first and. In one who knew the sources very well, know when he comes on how we understand this little scene. He points out that the reality was much different than what we might think. We have the image of a large basket filled with very attractive pieces. But in truth he says, it was a very small little container, maybe the size of a person's hand. The little scraps of cloth in were really up no use to anyone. No value to anyone. So that when Leonie holds his first to Selene says, take what you want. Say Lean takes the one thing that she can get any use out of and that's this little ball of wool. And then when Leonie Turns Tarez now you have this poor little container of unusable scraps of cloth. And says even at this early age with this exquisite charity that is within in her in order to spare lay on, eat any pain very warm. The says I want everything in it. So that says an awful lot about to res-, but it's also a further indication Leonidas we've been seeing there's a good heart and her, but it's clumsy. She's not able to read the situations. She can create these embarrassing situations for others, and in this case Tarez response with an exquisite charity. Charity that is so typical of her throughout her life. So it's just another window. into the life of Leone at this early time. Well. Let's return them to the letters of Saint Salih as she speaks about. Leilani. So at this point Leone, just picking up where we were before lately is eleven years old. She has just failed her attempt to lip order in the school. and. So Lee writes I'm very satisfied with my two oldest daughters and on the other hand I'm deeply saddened to see laney as she is sometimes I have hope but often I lose heart and this is Lee who who loves her daughters so much. However my sister that's visitation on Elise told me that she's convinced that Leonie will become a saint. She's going to take lessons in the afternoon at the home of two elderly women formerly nuns now. She's back home as she needs to continue her schooling. She's impossible to keep in a classroom setting. She just disrupts everything she doesn't learn she says too difficult to handle. So daily casting about learns of these two elderly women who she understands were formerly nuns and teachers as nuns. And who are willing to teach Leoni it seems like an ideal solution. So. Two elderly women formerly nuns who taught in the past and can cope better. I'm happy to have found them but it's painful to have to go there and because she'd be much better off with her sisters if she could have stayed at the boarding school with grant and her two older sisters. Right, this next letter is again to her sister-in-law and this is in December as every year they Lee is enjoining upon her sister-in-law not to do too much for the New Year's gifts that she gives each year to the children. So. She goes through the various children and comes to Leoni. S for Leonie. I won't ask you for any toys because she doesn't play with them anymore she works on her studies. You could give her a rosary for her first communion, which she'll make on the feast of the Holy Trinity that was always special till they only throughout her life the remembrance over first communion on that East. She knows her catechism perfectly. So this is one area where Leonie seemed to have engaged enough to have learned. She knows her catechism perfectly and answers the questions better than I would have believed. If she didn't become flustered. She would be one of the first in her class. So any kind of examination or anything in front of the. Just emotionally, she would get too flustered and she would show up brother in mediocre. Way. Last Tuesday I took her on a pilgrimage to the Church of the Immaculate Conception in say as that set shrine of Our lady that you mentioned earlier when the first months of her life, it looked like Leoni might well not survive mentioned that her father walked on foot and pilgrimage to that trying asking for the grace of her healing. So her mother takes her there to help prepare for her first communion to obtain the grace to make a good first holy communion. Right. This next letter is again her sister-in-law and it's the next year. Leoni is twelve. At this point I'm having so many problems with my Orlean overlay. You know that every day she was taking lessons in the home of two elderly retired nuns which seemed like a good solution. I wasn't dissatisfied with the way they were teaching her, and then all of a sudden I discovered something about the so-called good sisters that absolutely prevents me from continuing to entrust need to them. So here is another attempt which through no fault of daily goes very badly. She had understood that these were nuns and the truth of it turns out to be very different. Sally discovers this not immediately because of anything Leoni says. But because she becomes aware of an eight year old girl whom these two Supposedly former nuns have in out of charity. Who is being supported by charitable organizations in the city And she discovers that they're not even feeding her properly. The poor child is starving and this begins to open a whole can of worms. I began to learn of this story two months ago. Before acting I wanted to be very sure of what I suspected because it would cost me a great deal to denounce them. But last Thursday. An event made up my mind completely. Is a big roar here that won't begin to tell you but which has already caused me and will still cause me a great deal of concern and a lot of aggravation. As we'll see, she will describe these two weeks as the worst two weeks of her life. I was able to obtain a place at the refuge. So this is a place run by sisters were taken little girl like this. And waiting for her mother so she'll take her there. I told the sisters, the Holden supposed sisters, the whole truth of what I thought of them east unfortunate hypocrites who prey or pretend to pray to God from morning till night and I took Leonie away from them. Very lengthy letter where she goes through all the details on this little girl was being beaten supposed nuns were making her do their work for them They were practically starving her and threatened her that if she told anyone, she would suffer for it. And it's Lee. Who wants he discovers this is just She's adamant. She simply is not allow this to go on with he writes back to the pastor of the parish where the family lives. And the pastor informs the Mother Pastor Tells Say League that these two women were never nuns at all that impact he had to expel them from his parody and they simply pretended to be nuns to really prey on others. So, poorly on you know gets involved in all of this when her mother thought that she had found a solution. When the mother of this little girl come Mr Hake her little girl away from these two. I'm. GonNa Call Them Women they cry out that the little girl is being kidnapped people come and they believe them take the girl away from the mother the police get involved in a whole just a very difficult situation takes place but the police do a good job on this and come to the truth of it and things resolved but it's a very painful and difficult time Ford Saline. So this is just one more thing in Leonese life that she has to deal with and go through as her mother is doing the best that she can to find the best way to raise this child. While father. Gallagher this is something that. Mothers and fathers are experiencing even today I know that with both of our children who are on the autism spectrum, you've had similar experiences, believe it or not. One of the most egregious was when our son after graduating his school programs got involved in an adult program. And it all seem so lovely on the surface and we were just so excited that maybe this is something that he can do and there is a place for him. And we put him in the program and it turned out that they were not doing everything that they had promised as a matter of fact, they were actually committing a fraud in the billing for which they were charging the state it turned out. It was our son's case worker who win and to just check on some normal things that found their all these discrepancies and it ended up a complete shutdown of this. Program and it was not nice and it was an ugly experience I mean it's just heartbreaking I. Mean. There are so many parents who have had their kids in situations. They're hoping that this is going to be the answer. Maybe this is the place that they can find help you love your child so much you want the best for them you want to find a place for them and it's just so frustrating. Because you begin to trust people and then the trust gets broken that you don't know what to do next. You just want your child to be save. And you just don't know what to do. There are many people who have a beautiful desire to help those who are challenged her who are considered handicapped, but it only takes one or two. To totally. Destroy that hope and almost feel like it crushes the spirit there many out there. I can tell you right now who relate. To this roller coaster that Zely and Louis are on the looney The blessing in a way is that for Leone if she hadn't been there that other girl would have stayed in that situation. I think sully became a saint. Not, because she was tries his mother but because she was. Lyonnais mother well, interesting. It's It's not only Leoni story, but at this phase, it's Saint Zoe story as well. In the same year a little bit later, a letter to again her sister-in-law. So this is an eighteen, seventy, five it's aid you believe year in the church, the pope has declared a jubilee. Say Rights They only earned her jubilee indulgence and received absolution. She was afraid of not being prepared well enough and this attitude. Pleased me. I hope God in His mercy answers my prayer for this child, who is one of my biggest concerns. Okay to later may writing again to her sister-in-law. I more pleased with Leonie. She does what she can do. Well, she gives the correct answers when we questioned her nose her catechism. Perfectly. Every day. She tells us that she's going to become a poor clare. Now. See Lee was very attached to the Convent of the Poor Clare's in Alan sewn. She went regularly there to pray she eventually became a third order Franciscan inscribed there. So there was a deep bond and she would take lay on either at times to pray with her, which is how Leoni gets to know this Convent Poor Clare's who are going to come back at a future point into her own story. Every day she tells us that she's going to become a poor clare and I have as much confidence in this as if it were a little tarez saying it says two years old. I just read my brother-in-law's letter to her I took her aside and I never cried dissolved into tears. Interesting to know what her brother had said to Leonie. I don't even want to try to guess, but he could be very firm. It's quite likely that he would have said something rather firm to her she seems very determined to correct her faults. All right. This next letter is again to her sister-in-law two months later, and Leoni is still twelve years. Last week I received a letter from my sister in the among that Sir the none. Telling me that my brother really wants Leonie to go to these you. So it's a train ride. I'm GonNa Guess maybe about an hour and a half a couple hours, and periodically, there would be visits between the two families and Leoni has not yet been to these you. And she's resisting and at this point said he doesn't understand why. It wasn't difficult for me to decide because I find in all fairness that she should go there. And without her resistance, she would have gone a long time ago. Finally told her my decision and she came to terms with it willingly. Now she's looking forward to it very much and talks of nothing else. So that's all i. all you hear around the house. She asks me how many weeks until her sisters will arrive and she says, these weeks aren't getting shorter. She's never been to these you and she's had to go there. A week later again to her sister-in-law. We hear about nothing else but these you from morning till night. Even, the baby that's Tarez is joining in and wants to go to these youth to cease SELENA's godmother and little gene to. Leoni said to her I'll bring you all the cake. They give me a little darling I'm not going to eat one of them. So. That's always there in Leonie you know where all of her troubles outbursts and the undisciplined character. That good. That's kind of the paradox that's always there That's a constant threat in her and so her mother comments, she truly has a heart of gold that the same phrase that. Has a sister the the none had used in Zali uses in herself. She truly has a heart of gold my poor Leonie. So there it is heart of gold. My poor lean. And she particularly loves her little sister. So, one of the reasons she refused to go to your house was that if you went saline wooden. So, Zalin understands why Leonie's been resisting going Because she understood that if she went selene who very much wanted to go would not be able to go. So it was really a heart of gold there. There was a generous impulse on the part of the at this point which say Leelanau understands. All right. This next is a year later and this is daily writing to pauline. From this point on, we'll have a lot of letters of sally to haul leaned. Who was still at the boarding school at in the among Marie the oldest had finished her studies and was back home, and she was actually taking over the education of Leonie at this point and Selena's well. AM So pauline is the one daughter who is away at the boarding school. Say Lee writes regularly to her but something develops as she does kind of abondoned understanding between mother and daughter all almost becomes a kind of confidant for say. I'm not dissatisfied with my Leoni if we could manage to triumph over her stubbornness and make her more cooperative, we could make her a good girl devoted and not afraid of difficulty. She has a will of iron and when she wants something, she overcomes every obstacle to get what she wants. Her aunt had. Mentioned this in a letter that we read earlier, and this will be another key trade that's going to see me through many struggles repeated failure failure after failure after failure, and she simply will not give up. When that quality the will of iron that when she wants something new obstacle will turn her aside once that gets turned toward God toward grace towards hang. Yes to the Lord. Then there really is a space there for God to work in a very rich way. But. She's not at all devout. She praised God only when she can't do otherwise and the faith of her daughter's meant everything to the parents and. Say lease that this is hard for her to see this. This afternoon I made her come by my side and read some prayers. But soon, she'd had enough and said to me Mama. Tell me the life of our Lord Jesus Christ. I wasn't sure. I wanted to tell the story because it tires me out a lot this woman who Has a flourishing business and five children and a household. and WHO GETS EXHAUSTED Because it tires me out a lot and I always have a sore throat. Finally. I made the effort and I told her the life of our Lord. When I arrived at the passion she was overcome with tears. It made me happy to see her have these feelings. Valley at this point probably is in the beginnings of her breast cancer cracked I, mean we're getting close to that time. Aren't we over much? So yeah. Yeah. So that can play very much in the fatigue in a lot of what what's going on here to correct Oh, I'm confident of that Sally and Tarez had this in common that they simply spent their humanity. Without limits until. The moment of their death both of them are similar in this. They just gave every last ounce of energy that they had. Without thought of self without looking for mitigations. You know these letters that were reading. You need to remember that she's had full days with the children and through business I mentioned at times she could have up to thirty women. These were part time they women who would have their own families and so on. But would give some hours every week to create this lace that was so famous and that Cellino how to do so well that she was very much in demand. In fact, it's one thing we can say that the Leonie learn to very well, and there are things that she sewed still conserved in that you can look at, you can find pictures of them online just some remarkable needlework. But to write these letters, her mother would eat to begin when the children were in bed and the day was done symes. She'll mentioned that she's to spend two hours writing when night she finishes at ten thirty after four hours of writing at the end of the day. So these letters themselves reaching out to stay in touch with children and family members were often written at the cost of some fatigue in some self sacrifice. So this is pauline. Leoni is now thirteen. I must take Leoni to the catechism class on perseverance. So the custom was they would make their first communion and a year. Later, they would have a second solemn communion and that's probably what's at play here. This is the last time because her second solemn communion. So that is what's taking place here will take place on Sunday may twenty first, which is a week later. As always, Leoni is looking forward to being all in white. Up till now, the material side strikes her more than the spiritual. Yet she here's the other world spoken of so much that she herself speaks of it often, but this only touches her lightly. Well let's hope and God's mercy toward this child. In some respects, I, have many constellations. I'm very happy with Marie and her ideas. Please me this is the opposite of Leeann. Sulaimaniyah source of worry for her. And the other daughters are a source of consolation. Five months later to pauline. I. Believe that Selene younger than they will give me many constellations. She has an angelic nature. She's already seriously thinking about what you'll have to do to make her first union. You know it strikes me as I'm reading east of this how ordinary all of this is. This is mother raising her daughter's raising her children. And concerned about responding to this or their studies or Their catechism it's it's very much like the life of any family. God is very good to grant me compensations which diminish the bitterness. My Poor Leone causes me. That's a strong word bitterness suffering the heartache. I can't get through to her anymore. No. Leone is thirteen at this point and his mystery. Now, for some reason, Zali who is So loving and whose family members love her to death, her husband and her daughters. And who reaches out with the same love to this daughter Leonie finds herself repulsed and she cannot understand what's going on here is some kind of a mystery that is unraveled. I can't get through to her she does only what she wants and as she wants. She just noticed that I was writing and said to me Mama. Don't say anything to my aunt bought me I'll never do it again. So she's obviously acted out in some way. Sally is writing to Pauline who at the boarding school where the end is as well and quite likely that would ever as is written to pauline will be shared with the end and so Leone who has such a esteem for her aunt? Just doesn't want her to hear about whatever way she's acted out. I didn't answer her but she started again. So as to prevent me from writing to have peace I said No. And Health Watch what save it says here I'm not lying because it's not to her and I'm saying it, but you at is to pauline. Oh. Well, here is everyday life which isn't cheerful I assure you. But often console myself I think of my dear Pauline who makes my constellation? It's bomb to my wound and I find myself happy Marie. Be Happy. Later in the same letter. Here's Leone downstairs to bring me my rosary and who sang to me do you love me Mama I won't disobey you anymore you can hear the pathos in that. Sometimes, she has good moments in good resolutions, but they don't last. Now this next letter is written in well. Precisely January eighth, Eighteen, seventy seven, and this is about five weeks before. Say, lease sister will die. She had very poor health and it was evident that she was weakening for months. They'd known it. They knew that she wasn't going to last too much longer. and. In this letter savvy is recounting to her sister-in-law what proved to be her last visit with her sister in the convent at Loma, and at this point in the letter Leone comes up. Here, are the messages that I gave my sister for heaven. I told her the moment you're in heaven. So as soon as you got there. Go, and find the blessed mother and tell her my good mother. You played a joke on my sister by giving her poor Leo knee. She's not a child like the one she asked you for and you must fix this. Interject, into this that Leonie herself was so of how different she was from the others. That at one point. Really worried and she was afraid that she had been exchange as a child at birth that she really wasn't a daughter in this family and her mother had to reassure her that no that was not the case. I. So blessed mother you really played a joke my by giving her poorly on you have to fix this. Then go and find blessed Margaret Mary that. So that's now Saint Margaret Mariela Coke as we know it today. In response to the no Vena. By her aunt while as always firmly believed as a result of that. No. Vena. Leone survived those first difficult sixteen months. So go and find blessed Margaret Mary and tell her why did you miraculously cure her? It would have been much better to let her die. On by conscience to repair this misfortune if she's GonNa turn out this way. Why did you spare her? So you to like our lady, you have a responsibility to repair this. Though. She tells her sister-in-law aunt didn't really think this is the way you speak to our lady and Saint. She's folded me for talking like this but say lease dancer ground but I didn't have any bad intention and God knows this very well. She sounds like a mom who is at her wit's end. She is very much and you're dealing with and I can speak to this probably a little bit more personally than guys could. This is a time in a young girl's life where hormonally. There can be some great fluxes. WanNa try say this delicately as I can. But. As were very aware that our moods will swing given particular time of the month that is. And that could have played a part if she's already dealing with certain issues whether if they were indeed physical if she was. A possibly and I say, can possibly on a spectrum such as autism but then you throw in the natural course of young woman's body that could play a lot and as the mother of two women myself. That gets to be a very challenging time of life. Do you think I said that delicately off? You're absolutely the right person to bring that into the conversation. It's helpful. Just fills out the picture in another way. Yeah. There's all kinds of dynamics you can see being played a mother that loves her so much but his at the would send it's that one who just Oh. What more can I do and then on top of that physically on top of all the other stresses of life. She's dealing with an underlying illness as she may not be fully aware of yet. ooh, at this at this point say the is utterly aware I haven't gone into these details because we're telling Leoni story, but the diagnosis is clear. That she's very afraid. She may not have much more time to live. and. In fact, she will die later in the same year. So at this point since we raised it, we're in January she will die in August of the same year when they only is fourteen. This fourteenth year in Leonie's life is really the pivotal year as we'll see unfolds. Not that all the struggles would be over at this point, but this was the decisive year in her life. This next letter is written ten days after the preceding it's written on January eighteenth of this year eighteen, seventy seven. And just about five weeks later on February twenty fourth sister Marie Doc- tape Leonie's and will die actually. So Leoni is well aware that these are the final days of her and she to write a letter to her before she dies. Yesterday. She said to Marie I'm going to write to my aunt lumo before she dies and give her my messages for heaven. I want her to ask God to give me a religious vocation. So there it is a very strongly early on here. Marie pretended to make fun of her to see what she would say. Marie is is really interesting. Sometimes, she intuit's things that nobody else sees but other times she misses what's happening and in this case Now. Don't want to be too hard on her here. Nobody knew how to make any sense of Leonie and she was always doing things that were just kind of foolish or didn't make sense. So Marie simply presumes this is another little willow, the whisper something that's floated into her mind. Marie pretended to make fun of her to see what she would say but she persisted and said everybody can make fun of me. I care. But I want to tell her this before she dies. Finally today she wrote her letter all by herself without saying a word to her without anyone saying word to her to give her any ideas. This is what she wrote. So this would be referred by others the only other letter of Leoni that we have before the age, of nineteen. By dear, aunt I still treasure the picture you gave me. I look at it every day to become obedient. That's the big struggle because she's so undisciplined and self willed, and while not fit into any structure at school or at home. That will be a big issue for her throughout her life. I look at it every day to become obedient like you told me to Marie framed it for me. By dear, aunt when you're in heaven, please ask God to give me the grace of converting. And also to give me the vocational becoming a true religious that were true will come back. Because I. Think of it every day. I beg you don't forget my little message because I'm sure. God. Will answer your prayer. Goodbye my dear aunt I, kiss you with all my heart. You're very loving niece. So, say Lee asks her sister-in-law. What do you think of this as for me? I'm very surprised. But. Where did she get these ideas? It certainly wasn't me who put ideas in her head. I'm quite convinced that without a miracle lanee could never enter community life. So she's well aware of this I know the structure and the order of even cloistered religious life the visitation how is he on disciplined? Leonie ever possibly GonNa live this? It's her future that worries me the most I say to myself what will become of her if I'm no longer here so she's well aware. that. She may not live that much longer. I don't dare think about it. But I assure you that this little letter renews my courage and I find myself hoping that perhaps God has merciful plans for this child. and. The next sentence is just remarkable. If it only took the sacrifice of my life for her to become a saint I, would give it willingly. If it only took the sacrifice of my life for her to become a saint I would give it willingly. she's really a model of motherhood. It seems to me you know as read about her. Yeah. Wow. And she writes that knowing that she may be giving her life before too much longer. She goes and she describes the same incident three days later in a letter to pauline this time. See I would have liked to few words from your aunt for Leonie. There's quite a story behind this. Last Wednesday while Marie was giving the class Leoni said in a very serious tone of voice. I wonder right to my aunt before she dies and give her my messages for heaven. Marie very surprised as to what it was about. She told her that she wanted to be a religious and her aunt would have to obtain this grace for her. Marie made fun of her but she persisted and Thursday morning she wrote her note which I think is rather good for her. I said to Marie that evening there's one thing that surprises me it said she wrote A. Religious. Marie. Also surprise said I really wanted her to erase the word. True. I pointed out to her that it didn't mean anything but she stood firm saying, please let me put it in I wanted to be that way. The next day Marie asked her what does that mean? True Religious Laney answered it means that I want to be a completely good religious and in the end become a saint. Let's note these two things that Lanee, Razz this will of iron and who will not give up. The two things that she really wants she wants to be not only a a religious and none but a completely good religious and she wants to become a saint. I don't know what I should think of all of this because the poor child is covered and false like a blanket. We. Don't know how to handle her, and this is what you've been pointing out. Chris. And it's this mystery that there's something. Unaccounted for here there's some peace in the equation that nobody can understand. Daily will say this in a letter that trying to take care of this child and managed his child is so difficult that even doctors literally she says would lose their. Latin. Trying to do this even the wisest we would have no answer to it. we don't know how to handle her but God is so merciful that I've always had hope and I still hope. You've been listening to a sister of Saint Tarez Servant of God Leoni. Martin bear of hope with Father Timothy. Gallagher. To hear and or to download this episode along with hundreds of others spiritual formation programs visit discerning hearts, Dot com, or you can find it on the discerning hearts free APP. This has been a production of discerning hearts in cooperation with the oblates of the Virgin. Mary. We hope that if this has been helpful for you that you will I pray for our mission, and if you feel worthy consider a charitable donation, which is fully tax deductible to help support our efforts. But most of all, we hope that you will tell a friend about discerning hearts, DOT COM and join us next time for a sister of Saint Threads Servant of God. Leoni Martin. Bear of. With Father Timothy Gallagher.

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Ep 8  A Sister of St. Thrse: Servant of God, Lonie Martin  Bearer of Hope w/Fr. Timothy Gallagher  Discerning Hearts Podcast

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Ep 8 A Sister of St. Thrse: Servant of God, Lonie Martin Bearer of Hope w/Fr. Timothy Gallagher Discerning Hearts Podcast

"Discerning hearts dot com in cooperation with the oblates of the virgin. Mary presents a sister of saint. Says servant of god. Leoni martin bear of hope with father timothy gallagher. Father gallagher is a member of the oblates. The virgin mary religious community dedicated to retreats and spiritual direction according to the spiritual exercises of saint ignatius. Of loyola he is featured on several series found on the eternal word television network. He's also the author of numerous books on the spiritual teachings up. Saint ignatius layla and the venerable bruna lantieri founder. The oblates of the virgin mary as well as other works focused on aspects of the spiritual life. A sister of saint tropez serving. God leone martin bear of hope. Father timothy gallagher. I'm your host. Chris mcgregor no at this point Thus far largely in the story we've been blessed to accompany leoni through the eyes of a saint that is saint salih her mother her mother's letters at this stage in her life now we are privileged to accompany leone through the eyes of another saint. And that is her sister tarez. So we're gonna turn now to the letters of tarez and look at That there are good many of them more than we can get through here but we'll look at enough and Some of what leonie rights tarez and a little bit more even how to raise responds to leonie and this is perhaps even more well we. We spoke of that experience at age. Fourteen when the influence of the made was discovered and the change in leonie as the pivotal point in her life i would say it's the pivotal emotional point in her life the pivotal spiritual point in her develops through her interaction with tarez. So i would just begin to move into this a bit. So this is when The following year looniest twenty. Four at this point and tarez is still at home. She's not yet in the carmel and she's writing a letter to her cousin marie at an and she says this week were no longer cheerful ad. Lib we sunday the family home and the recent is that leonie is now going to make a second attempt to enter religious life. This week were no longer cheerful. At least we sony. It's the last week that leone is with us. The days are passing by rapidly and she has only two more days with us now. No longer cheerful here is not because they're worried about this attempt but because they're going to lose her presence she would be the third of the daughters to to leave the home. You know you had this bustling active family with Louis and his five daughters growing two of them have already left. This is now the third and so the family in some senses being undone at least the family life that was so beautiful and that tarez describes a wonderfully in the story of his soul is gradually being done at this point now at this point leoni when she renews her desire for religious life. She looks to the visitation monastery to the business community. The one founded by francis to sales together with saint john de chantal and this is a little more evident in a sense because the actually the surprising thing in the martin family is the turn toward the carl because the roots fires religious life in the barten- family are very much in the visitation community. That's where they leave sister enters. That's where pauline and marie spent years of their years as boarding in boarding school their odds as we had a great love and esteem for the visitation community. So you would expect that. This is where the family would turn when the daughters begin to think of religious life. In fact pauline the first to enter religious life that is where she turns when she this becomes clear that she is called to religious life and she is already in the process of communication with the visitation monastery at among where her aunt was in where she did her schooling to enter their when she has this unexpected grace at mass one morning in the parish church in leisure when she's there and she has a powerful experience of grace and simply knows that she is called to be a carmelite the beginning of the entrance of the carmel into this family in saint ignatius terms. That would be a Inexperience of i mode assignment. This exceptional experience. When sometimes god simply makes it so clear that the person knows ignatius says the person has drawn to this and cannot doubt does not doubt and cannot doubt that that he or she has seen god's willingness and that really is the kind of grace it's given to pauline so that she enters the carmo after her marie and then tarez and so forth. That's where that bond comes but leonie's interest in. The visitation is actually deeply rooted in the in the family so there is a monastery of the visitation sisters in the town of khan which is spelled c. h. e. n. Which as i mentioned is about twenty seven miles from issue going toward the coast and this is where she has applied and where she is accepted and so as tarez rights on this day in just two more daisley knee is going to be leaving them to enter the just life with visitation sisters in the this is a contempt of community. So she'll be cloistering however what do you expect my poor darling. A certain joy is mixed with my sorrow. And i am happy to sear dear leone finally in her element. She's twenty four years old. Finally she has found her path. Yes i believe that they're only will she be happy in the visitation. She will find which is missing in the world in the world living secular life. And so you just get a glimpse there of sense. That leoni is the sadness in leoni There's something that is not at home or knotted place in her. Selene is sorry that she is unable to write to gene. Who is the older of the two cousins but she is so with all these preparations that it is impossible. Getting things ready preparing her all that she'll need tell gene that she could not imagine how touched leonie was her letter and yours to. She kisses you with her whole heart as well as dear little and no we are three months later and leone has been in the visitation monastery as apostolate for these three months and she writes a letter to tarez from the monastery. My beloved little tarez just striking news twenty four tarez fourteen but already Tarez the leader. The great while there are others but i almost want to say it as i intended to be great great and perhaps the great grace in alleles life is stress and all the tarez will become and the impact of tarez spiritual teaching on leonie. I have come to wish you a happy. Feast so this is october. Fifteenth a feast of saint. Therese of avila tarez. I know what. I want the most for you. I don't have to name this grace. And this is tarez. A firm intention to enter the carl at fifteen at christmas in the same year and she addresses in the process of moving heaven and earth to make this happen. You know it well. Privileged little child of jesus. It is now already one year since our dear. Marie is in carmel. You were there at her departure. But i wasn't there. I had entered the poor clair's before when i think of that. I thank god for having made me leave there. In order to lead me into my dear visitation where i am so happy. Which makes the point that you raise chris. You know that done as she looks back. Now on that ill-advised attempt to month attempt to enter the poor clare. She's so grateful that it didn't work out because that closed door led her to the visitation. Where's he perceives. Her vocation truly lies so she says having made me leave there in order to lead me into our visits haitian happy in spite of the thorns which pierced my heart at times so you get an indication that even though she speaks of herself as very happy there and uncertain sincerely says so. It's not all easier. It's not all going entirely easily for her. But what is that in comparison with the poor claris so she must have really suffered when she was with the poor. Clair's it must have been really hard. What happens every time with leoni is when she gets in these situations of stress. Is that among other physical problems and emotional struggles her eggs affairs and so you get this full-body eczema that. It just causes unsupportable issue you that throughout the entirety of body throughout all of her life in times of stress. This would happen. Ease roses which i trample under my feet at time soon cowardliness for it will take a lot to make me a saint so at times instead of receiving these roses the sacrifices and struggles from the lord. I trample them under my feet. I reject them. I don't receive them well but little by little we approach you get a glimpse there of the way lanee will always speak of herself. You know just seeing the limitations In herself and as i said earlier the great struggle in her life is going to be dealing with this. How do you respond to the sense of self but little by little we approached this just to same with the grace of god so she has hope. Since the day. I saw you a tarez with. Selene had come to visit her at the monastery in income. I've exerted many efforts. However i could still do better for our lord. I feel it How i'd like to throw myself courageously into every sacrifice and this is one thing to about leoni the desire that she expressed many years earlier when the family was just so taken aback to her. Describe it to be a true religious to be a saint a that never fades that always remained strong in In lyon and you see it here to how. I'd like to throw myself courageously into every sacrifice. You see their little sister. It does me good to talk with you. I know that you understand me in spite of your young age. So i want to confide to you one of the greatest desires of my soul which is intimate union with jesus very interesting to see how she perceives as the leader tarez is the The guide and leone senses that even though she so much younger. It's just helpful for me to share these with you. And when she shares his what she calls one of the greatest desires of my soul. What is it which is intimate union. With jesus for the one who possesses. Jesus all that. There's there is material here so to speak if i can use this word stuff. In which godkin work with all of the human liabilities frailties. He is the treasure of treasures in him alone. Find our joy and not in the creature. There we find only sorrow and sadness of every kind and you can hear the heart of this twenty four year old woman speaking who has only known sadness and sorrow in her life for whom nothing has worked out who is constantly reminded of her inferiority in so many ways within the family. Where does her heart turn and her heart turns with with with a certain power and energy. I would say toward the lord. There's he is the treasure of treasures because our heart is made solely for god. He alone can fill it entirely. It is too big for the world. So what folly to have much attachments for too much attachment for creatures. Isn't that true. You know this. This is a theme that you get in the letters of all of the martin sisters not just leoni and i think they would have absorbed this from their parents who always spoke this way as well crackers would mean anything in this world and people and how only god finally satisfies the human heart. This was a deeply ingrained in the spiritual life of the entire martin family. I can judge by my experience for until now. I have not known how to control my poor heart. Almost don't need to comment on the you dear little sister and so she looks at tarez. Things are so different for you. Act the the comparison is striking tarez. Struggled throughout her life will be not to allow herself to be captured by the praise she receives because she is so intelligent. She is She's pretty she is lively. She is so emotionally a rich that throughout her life. Her issue will be an even later went. Her sisters in the last years of her life realized something with the depth of her sanctity. You see it in her last conversations. For example people will say all of its. Ncaa things in praise of her and she'll find clever ways to turn them aside to exactly the opposite berlusconi because all of the feedback that she receives is always. You're you're less than others. You're the problem We don't know what to do with you. You failed in this study's already now in an attempt to enter religious life and so forth so she says to tarez you dear little sister. god has so enraptured. You're you're very pure heart. The you have not known all the agonies to which foolish foolish affections give rise so jesus will have your heart in all its freshness may your heartbeat thousand times blessed. I take delight in this. For your sake which is love lovely thing in leonie and permits us to say something maybe already set it very easily. Laney could have fallen into envy and jealousy of her sisters so much more favored than she. And you never find the slightest trace ever throughout her life in of any kind of jealousy toward her sisters in here she says i take delight in this in your freshness your closeness to the lord i take delight in this for your sake which is a lovely movement of others centeredness here in the pardon me darling for not having sent you this letter for your feast. So she wanted to get it to tarez for october fifteenth. It was begun on friday. But until now. I've been so busy that it was impossible to finish it. And you know that i need more time than others for writing and explain myself so badly that you are going to have trouble understanding me. In fact a she would writing was slow and the glorious difficult for her and she's very well aware of it and you see Describes herself as explaining herself very badly that slowness would cause her 'cause her suffering throughout her life things that other people could do in just a minute you know when take her much longer to get done and it would be frustrating for people and that was something that she would live with throughout all of her life. I have prayed very much for you all day and this morning. Especially in my holy communion. This is all i can offer you. You see this throughout the correspondence. I just mentioned it now. For their various feast days or birthdays remembrances with the sisters do is that they offer a communion sometimes three or five for the one that they're celebrating with the awareness that this is the greatest gift that i can give you a to give. Jesus as i received him in communion and so leoni is doing that here for tarez for her feasting. You know that. Now i have nothing to offer but my poor prayers. Now that i'm in the monastery. I can't go out and get a gift for you. Tomorrow is the seventeenth. The feast of our blessed sister margaret. Mary saint margaret mary. Allah coke you know that she cured me miraculously so she refers back to the nevena that her and made when she was such a young child. You know my devotion to her. She is no stranger to the joy. I have in being at the visitation this blessed order whose glory she is. Pray for me in order that if necessary. She will obtain a second miracle so that i become a holy visitation sister now. This is written in october three months after her entrance. Two months later in january of the following year leoni has to leave and she is simply unable to to live the life in community and others factor here at play the novice mistress was a young. She wasn't even a thirty. And certainly with very good intention but She tended to be strict and austere. And that was the training that she gave. e- postulations and Looney was not the only one to have difficulty with this. But as we've said a number of times leonid never did well with a strictness austerity or in some cases harshness and she always blossomed when she was treated with gentleness and so this time she has a sister in charge of her with. I'm sure very goodwill but Takes this austere approach. You know curb the emotions and Overcome your defects and of course you can see only slowness or struggled to fit in a very structured life in the monastery and what happens. Is that both emotionally and physically To to live up to this and she lasts for six months but Finally has to surrender again. The eggs emma of flowers up as she has a bronchitis like cough and so on she becomes too frail and just simply cannot survive. This end is obliged to return home the second time it seems as though in just from listening to the letter listening to what was going on at that particular monastery and its leadership that novitiate the novice master that time. There's a difference. Immer hollywood talk about sally. Her aunt that being gentle they treated her with gentleness as a part from the austere or a more strict in the word that popped up in my mind was flexibility was certain persons in dealing with them. You need to be a bit more flexible in dealing with them. I recall you telling us about zella and how some family members would criticize her because she was being too gentle or maybe too flexible and accommodating leonie's needs and there's a balancing act as there be any religious order and any business and any family situation between that fine line of discerning. What the most important thing that maintaining the structure or allowing that gentleness or flexibility to adapt and that seems kind of be at play a little bit here and i suppose many people out there wonder that same question about how to deal with their kids or with others that they have interactions with. Just that would be the issue. I mean you name it really well. The monastery does have its life. The certain order has to prevail. They can only absorb a certain amount of difficulty with this. Of course that's what. The whole process of formation. Being a postulate and an his about his to see whether there really is a fit there. I would say there is another factor here that this young sister who was in charge with such good intentions but with this more austere approach. And let's keep in mind that the life in the monastery then by our standards today was was really very physically demanding a you didn't have heat in most of the monastery and this is northern france. You know snow in the winters and so on certain parts of the year. There was no breakfast. You just had to meals for a number of months and this is one of the things for example. The sister she could have she had the freedom to allow things to be a little easier for these young women who are just beginning and trying to adapt but she takes more with good intentions but she takes more severe approach and leonie is mentioned was not the only one who just was not able to endure this Others also you know left. And of course they need with her agility as you can imagine that this would just not be possible. One of the reasons why Visitation is a better fit for a leonie than the caramel is because life in the carmel is much more severe at this time. Then life in the visitation francis to sales you know the saint of gentleness he consciously crafted. That would be possible for women who could not live the more austere and harsh regime in other religious communities and so a certain flexibility which is a great word leniency availability adaptability. To the needs of the various ones would certainly be very much in keeping with visitation. But unfortunately leo need does not find that in her second attempt to enter religious life and so she returns home. And you can imagine the humiliation the sadness twenty five years old now twice failed up religious life nor the door seems open to her and actually just a few months after she returns home. She returns home in january of that year and just three months later tarez leaves the home to enter other carbon so three of her sisters are now in the car will and she is at home at this point after tarez entrance into the carl within a matter of weeks of really she enters in april in by june. Already the severe problems with their fathers health begin now the mental crisis that takes place. Selene has also told him that. Perhaps in retrospect it wasn't the best timing. What happened was that. Selene had done a painting and showed it to her father. Selena was the most gifted as regards Artwork in the family and her father was really very very Pleased by the painting and he suggested that selene might like to go to paris. And get lessons in From master in painting. And it's at that point that selene tells him that her intention is to enter the caramel and very shortly after that within a matter of a few weeks her father's health breaks there had been some steps leading up to this. But the serious break happens at this time when he simply disappears and nobody knows where he's gone to the only find him when he communicates back with him because he needs money. They're able to locate him where he is and bring him home. And then you have these Scenes where he thinks the family is under attack and they find that he has a revolver. Possibly with this confused intention of defending his family the situation becomes so serious that finely. They have him enter an institution for people who are mentally handicapped. Actually in the same city of kong where leone made her attempt to visitation monastery. So life changes dramatically now for the entire family and in a special way for selene and leonie. Who are the two who are not in religious life and who take up the task of caring for their father for some months. They live as guests in a religious community income and they're visiting their father. Finally the visits are reduced to once a week. Their uncle insists that they come back to these. You just travel onto week rather than spending the whole time there and so laney goes through all of this together with selene and this will be largely the situation well after Some time in the institution a few years their their father's legs become paralyzed. And so from that time on he will be placed in a in a kind of It's not okay really a wheelchair. It's a much larger wouldn't contraption but which serves that purpose and which actually after his death will be given to the carmel and tarez will use it in the last weeks of her life as well but once he is no longer able to walk. There's no need for him anymore. To be in the institution because he can't escape and simply wander off and so they're able to bring him home at this point. The family life. In maybe sony is completely undone and they they find a place to live near the end family and celine and leonie take care of their father together with some help so leonie lives through all of this as this is unfolding. Appoint comes when she is a now thirty years old as another five years have passed when the thought of religious life returns again and she feels the desire to make another attempt to end to religious life and so she communicates again if that same monastery of the visitation sisters and actually even throughout these years when they're there with their father and so on and her Her cousin. Jean is married and is living in that same city so there are regular trips there and she will always visit the visitation community which keeps a a very warm place conservative very warm place in her heart and so she is in communication with the sisters there and everything is arranged for her to make a second try which will be her third try to become a religious a second try with visitation community. You've been listening to a sister of saint tarez servant of god leoni martin bear of hope with father timothy gallagher to hear and or to download this episode along with hundreds of other spiritual formation programs visit discerning hearts dot com or you can find it on the discerning hearts free app. This has been a production of discerning hearts in cooperation with the oblates of the virgin mary. We hope that if this has been helpful for you that you will. I pray for our mission and if you feel worthy consider a charitable donation which is fully tax deductible to help support our efforts the most of all. We hope that you will tell a friend about discerning. Hearts dot com and join us next time for a sister of saint threads servant of god leoni martin bear of how with father timothy gallagher.

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Motorsports Drop Dakar Daily: Prologue

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Motorsports Drop Dakar Daily: Prologue

"Chris leoni in this is the motor sports. Drop dead car your source for all things. Twenty twenty one dakar rally today stage the eleven kilometer prologue in jeddah america. Ricky gray back kicks off his quest for back to back victories on the motorcycle with a prologue win. Nassar lt does the same in the car class well. Wrc convert meek is the top light production vehicle driver by two seconds over can tarot and three seconds over austin jones other. Notables include toby price ninth in schuyler house thirteenth on the bikes sebastien. Loeb ten and carlos sainz twenty eighth with a puncture in the car. Class and mitch guthrie seventh and matisse extra eighteenth in the light production vehicles tomorrow stage takes us from jetta bisheh with two hundred and seventy seven kilometers special stages and three hundred and forty five kilometers of transit.

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S04 Episode 19 Extra: Touching from a Distance

Unexplained

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S04 Episode 19 Extra: Touching from a Distance

"Terrify yourselves again. With this year's choose your own fate Halloween special now in its own feed with creepy new look retitled the forest search for it. Wherever you listen to podcasts? Please rate and subscribe share with your friends or better yet. Your enemies can. Can you find your way out of the forest before it's too late. The festival of politics takes place in Dublin on on the twenty first to the twenty four th of November come along and enjoy a fantastic lineup of events including a live episode of unexplained which I'll be delivering entails this whole at eight. PM on Saturday. November twenty third go unexplained podcast forward slash events to buy tickets and to find out more about the festival of politics. Tate's Welcome to unexplained extra with me. Richard McLean Smith. Where for the weeks? In between episodes we look at stories and ideas that for one reason or other didn't make it into the previous show. Last week's episode of view from a hill took a look at the haunting tale of the infamous Kunia Ghost House in Ireland as was mentioned briefly in the episode. It to said that author Sean Leslie who wrote what about the Cunanan haunting in his nineteen fifty six book go stories did himself grow up in a haunted house castle. Leslie and the surrounding estate located in County Monaghan in the north of island has been owned by the Leslie family. Since the sixteenth sixties although the current Mukasa was built in eighteen seventy now a high end hotel the lavish daily property has been home to a number of distinguished occupants over begins some of which alleged of never truly left. When Sean Leslie's mother Leoni was approaching the NFL life she spent much of her time bedridden in what was known as the move route shortly before she died? It said that her nurse US witnessed her conversing with an elderly woman who was assumed to be just a good friend of Leonis later after Leoni had died. The nurse was attending memorial service at Leslie Castle when she recognize the elderly friend in a family painting. The woman was Lady Constance Leslie Leonis mother-in-law who died twenty years before a second ghost said took the castle is that of Norman. Leslie Leoni son and Sean Leslie Brother. A number of visitors claim to have seen an apparition fitting Norman's description in the room known ominously as the Red Room it was there in nineteen fourteen. That Leoni is said to have awoken suddenly to find his son standing next to her. Despite the fact that he was overseas fighting in the first World War at the time Leoni discovered. Shortly after the Norman had been killed in battle a some white point out. It could be claimed that Leonie hadn't seen a ghost at all but instead experienced what is referred to as a crisis apparition supposed momentary vision of a loved one that some believe can occur in a moment of extreme stress. This story put me in mind of a similar incident that is claimed to have taken emplaced just over a decade later early. One morning aboard a large steamship out somewhere of the coast of West Africa In the early hours of March Fourteenth Nineteen Twenty eight below deck of the Grand Ocean liner. SS powerball somewhere to the south of the Canary Islands. Squadron leader rivers old meadow with fast asleep in his cabin also on board was old meadows. Good friend and colleague Colonel George Henderson the the former. RAF Pilots and veterans of the Great Wall were returning from South Africa. After a six month stint demonstrating the latest in aviation technology eighty it just gone to. Am when old meadow was startled awake by the sound of someone crashing into his room. Hurriedly originally switching on the light he was bemused to find his friend Colonel Henderson standing before him in his pajamas with a look of shock on his face and in the grip movin obvious distressing panic. God rivers he cried. Something Ghastly has happened. HINCH is being in my cabin. I Patch Action Dole. It was ghastly. He kept repeating over and over again. Hendy what am I going to do. What am I going to do? I've got this woman with me and I'm lost. I'm lost and then he disappeared in front of my eyes just completely disappeared old meadows dead for a moment trying to take it all in then thinking the best course of action was to try and carve his friend down Ford Henderson. A stiff drink as Henderson sipped his whiskey try to comprehend what had taken place. He was their mutual actual friend and fellow former OREO pilot. Captain Raymond Hinchcliffe. The three of them said to form a strong bond having flown together during during the Great War. The only problem being that Hinchcliffe wasn't toll booth shit since they both knew Hinchcliffe to be flying in commercial planes in Europe. They could only assume that Henderson's vision had been at best and especially lucid dream or at worst appointed of an imminent into threat to their friend as to the identity of the mysterious woman. He apparently spoke of. They had absolutely no idea. Having eventually calmed down Henderson returned to his cabin and did his best to get back to sleep as it happened. Hinchcliffe wasn't in Europe but all but was instead flight somewhere over the Atlantic while taking part in a record breaking attempt to fly to America it was two days later when the news reached all those of old the SS faribault that the plane Captain Hinchcliffe had been flying. It was now missing over the Atlantic Division. It seemed at being portentous after all however there there was no mention of any woman on board with him. Since Hinchcliffe had been attempting the journey alongside his good friend and CO pilot. For the Flight Gordon Sinclair so people thought Elsie MCI. I was born in eighteen. Ninety three the daughter wealthy businessman James MCI who would go on to become the chairman of the peninsula and Oriental Steam Navigation Allegation Company. Better known as P and O after eloping with actor Dennis Wyndham in nineteen seventeen. Elsie was said to have been disinherited by her family. Before embarking on a successful career as an actor in her own right starring in a number of silent movies over the next few few years when the marriage ended abruptly in nineteen twenty two elsie was welcomed back into the family after which with the help of her father. August she embarked on a second career as an interior decorator going on to design the interiors for a number of his company's vessels Elsa Elsa true passion however was flying in the years since the end of the first World War Air flight and speed records had been rapidly tumbling as aviation technology continued to avant at an exponential rate. Elsie had followed the mall with increasing excitement in June nineteen nineteen John Allcock and Arthur Brown with the first to cross the Atlantic followed by Portuguese. Aviators geico Coutinho Tina and sexual cabral in nineteen twenty two who flew from Lisbon to Rio de Janeiro. Five years later Charles. Lindbergh caught the public imagination with his extraordinary Solo. Crossing from the United States to Europe. And before long Elsie was dreaming of creating her own record to become the first woman to cross the Atlantic despite the reservations of her father. Who worried about the dangers of such venture elsie? Who'd always plowed her own? Thorough began preparations in earnest. And by the end of Nineteen Twenty seven had purchased sixty two aircraft left named the endeavor to complete the trip. What she needed next with a co-pilot Captain Raymond Hinchcliffe needed little convincing? Having lost an eye during an aerial dogfight toward the end of the war. The pilot who'd become famous his ipaq approach was by the late twenties finding it harder and harder to judge his takeoff and landings with MCI offering. Not only the prize money. The first woman to complete the Atlantic crossing she also offered to ensure his life for ten thousand pounds. Close to five hundred fifty thousand British sheesh pounds today enough for the thirty-three-year-old Hinchcliffe to retire altogether and spend the rest of his time at home with his wife and children. Laurie that her father might try to stop her. Elsie took pains to keep the trip secret from him and the press even threatening to sue one prominent paper when they got wind of the planned adventure in order to throw them off the scent. Hinchcliffe S- friend Gordon Sinclair. There was asked to put his name. Forward as the official CO pilot on the flight plan sinclair even went as far as to stay at a hotel hotel closed the airfield which they would begin their flight on the night before. Take you to leave. By then Sinclair's involvement had been leaked to the press and by the morning of the flight. A number of papers were heralding. Hinchcliffe attempted journey to New York with sinclair accompanying him as his CO pilot sinclair. That even agreed to go into hiding until Hinchcliffe and MCI completed their journey on the morning of Tuesday March thirteenth at RAF Cranwell airfield. In in the east of England Captain Hinchcliffe clambered into the cockpit of the endeavour add moments later Elsie MCI was smuggled on board without anyone noticing. A few minutes later the light snow began to fall the pad taking off into the sky as they embarked auto narrow vicious three and a half thousand mile journey across the Atlantic at one thirty PM. Chief Lighthouse keeper at Mizen in head on the southwest coast of Cork in Ireland. Looked up to see MCI. Sixty two monoplane shooting overhead toward America. Okay not long. After the crew on board a steamship out in the Atlantic on route from France also witnessed the endeavor by then heading on into increasingly stormy weather many hours later roughly three thousand kilometers away. The SS assessed by rebel was drawing closer to the Canary Islands. When Squadron Leader rivers old meadow were shocked awake by the arrival of Colonel George Henderson in his cabin claiming to seen a vision of a deeply distressed inch cliff a five thousand? Strong crowd waited Micheal. Oh field in long island new found to welcome the safe arrival of Hinchcliffe what they assumed to be his co-pilot Gordon Sinclair but the plane lane was never seen again. In December nineteen twenty eight a wheel with a serial number traced back to Elsie Mkhize endeavor washed ashore in Donegal Northwest Ireland. The only part of her plane that was ever found or at least that is how the story was told by writer. John G Fuller in his one thousand. Nine hundred. Seventy eight book airmen who would not die which drew largely on a letter that fully claim to found written by rivers old Meta in one thousand nine hundred sixty one though there is no disputing the fate Eighth Propel Elsa MCI and Captain Raymond Hinchcliffe Doubts were raised regarding the extraordinary claim. Henderson's opposed vision on the night of their disappearance appearance in two thousand eighteen. Rubber Chamrann and Steve Hume writing in the Journal of the Society for psychical research exposed a number of holes in the story not least of all the SS parable but not in fact self England until mid April of nineteen twenty eight. which would put Henderson old meadow on board the vessel? Good two weeks. After MCI Hinchcliffe disappearance had come to light though. Some who sought to excuse the inconsistency that no one is yet managed to uncover a copy of old meadows supposed- nine hundred sixty one letter describing. The extraordinary event has only helped to cost. 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Iron Safe Annuities Podcast March 2021

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Iron Safe Annuities Podcast March 2021

"Today we are welcoming into the marion public library community. Podcast studio bob. Leoni from iron safe newbies and iron safe annuities dot com today. Our topic on the marian. Now podcast is going to annuities bob. Good good day. how are you my friend. I'm doing pretty good paul. How 'bout yourself. I am well and you know you came in and you say boy. I've never done one of these Podcasts things before how do we do it. We're just going to sit and have a conversation about podcast in a podcast. About annuities on the podcast. And what annuities are in all that kind of stuff so really truly. I guess the the target of conversation today is annuities but right off the bat. Let's talk a little bit about annuities. And and what is an annuity all right. What is an annuity. A darn good question. It's a mystery to a lot of people. It scares the heck of a lot of folks But an annuity by definition is called the scientific liquidation of principle. They started back in the days of rome Somebody would give a group of administrators a certain sum of money and they would receive a per annum amount of money and of course from per annum. We get annuity right and it would last as long as they lived while today. It's not quite as unsophisticated. That insurance companies know how long you're going to live not you specifically but everybody in your age group they know that your life expectancy is xyz and any amount of money you give them they can determine a rate of. I don't use the word return. It's just the rate of cash flow rate of income That she would receive each month reach year from that annuity To say that annuity is making me. Five percent. interest Is not really accurate. The annuity is liquidating the principal. So you're receiving some of your principle back along with some interests that the insurance company is generating on their own with with your money. So that's what an annuity is. There's no requirement though that you give the company money today and begin receiving an income tomorrow. Okay every annuity has in it a maturity date and it might be eight ninety five for most folks So if you're a forty year old man wanting to start an annuity. What you're saying is i'm going to give you money and an age ninety five. I want you to begin paying me an income. Of course nobody waits that long. They can take the income earlier. So you use the you use the annuity as an investment vehicle to to build money towards your retirement and sixty five or seventy or somewhere in that area you begin. Annuity is in a new. It means to take the monthly income right right so but but unlike a lot of other types of retirement that you will. You're forced to start taking around the age of seventy for this. You can leave it in there and continue to let it grow and until you get to that maturity age of ninety five or whatever correct that's correct The annuity is either qualified or non qualified qualified. Meaning it's part of an ira that you've started right If you do that if you start a qualified annuity then you must follow the rules that the irs has in place. Which is you must begin. Taking an income at seventy two and a half years of age right but you can start an annuity a non-qualified annuity as a just as if you were to put money in a bank account right as a certificate of deposit you put a thousand bucks in and there's no requirement you take it out pretty much ever and an annuity works the same way in a year. Two thousand dollars in a year. Whatever and whatever age you want to begin taking it out you can take it out and you can take it out as a lump sum you can take it out over a few years or you can take it out over lifetime and so on. There's a variety of ways to take the income. Okay so how long do you have to wait on an annuity before you can start to get the money back out without any penalties or anything like that Good question if if your goal is to create an income next month going to be not the vehicle you want to go. Well known i if you give. Let's say you give an inch your sixty eight years old year. The insurance company one hundred thousand dollars next month they begin paying you of fifty eight fifty six thousand dollars year on the other hand you could put it put money into an annuity and so i'm not going to be in taking money out for five six eight ten years you can. Annuity is an annuity almost any time. Most generally without a fee or surrender charge Annuities much like how much like other financial deals or long-term investment vehicles When you put money into an annuity the annuity company says look. This is a ten year term at least or if you cash into tomorrow we're going to charge you nine percent next year. Eight percent the next year. Seven percent There are exceptions to this. But let's just stick with that They want you to keep it there. Because they're taking your money and investing it in puts calls and options and so one and if you put it in three months later you wanna take your money out. They've got to undo all this stuff and there's fees that they have to pay very much wherever the certificates of deposits at the end of the commercial demand would say substantial interest penalty for early withdrawal. Absolutely absolutely i. It's a it's the same same concept you're putting it in there and the bank bangor the insurance company that whoever believes that money is going to be in their growing for x. Amount of years whatever years we decide to that makes sense to me. I i understand that so The the nice thing. I have done this for forty eight years. I'm i'm an old guy for your listeners. I'm semi retired. I don't have to sell insurance anymore. I just love doing got a whole pumpkin head full knowledge that my wife says you'll give to anybody that ask the rep. Probably will you know. And and she says you don't care if he sell anything or not isn't that i really uncaring care. But of course it's it's awesome to do. It's a lot of fun and of course you're helping. People grow their retirement their income. I do want to everybody know. Bob is an insurance agent and has been forever retired now used to have an insurance company and you you sold that to carling company and but now you're you're doing iron safe annuities and you're still working with carl and so you guys have a lot of things going on all right. Yeah yeah. i worked two days a week in the office. There they tolerate me. I'm the old doddering fool. The comes in and walks around and Actually most of my old customers no. I'm there monday and tuesday. And i'm busy as can be and and they just really want to say hi. I'm not selling the boss tolerates the that's good pr. I guess But but i do answer a lot of questions on life and annuity work for them and and they let me do that on my own hand. Cy created the iron safe. Annuities dot com company and iron safe. Annuities has an all annuities. There are just so many different types of annuities to choose from I mean can you give us an idea or go through some of the different ones that are out there at your and what people are really into with dirties. Sure sure okay. The first and primary annuity is the income. Annuity people say bob. I've worked all these years. I've got the x. money x. Amount of dollars saved up I wanna turn on an income. What what he got. And we'll just hold that thought for a minute and go with it. I should say You can have an income for your lifetime in the first thing that pops in everybody's head said well. Okay suppose i get this. Annuity see and i start receiving the money and one year later in a car wreck and i i what happens the money. I gave the insurance company. Well the original old timey annuities and you can still buy them today. The insurance company kept it Well who wants that. They now have a newest. With return of balance of premium features or you can have a period certain and lifetime thereafter. So we have a sixty five year old man married. He puts one hundred thousand dollars in an annuity. And he's getting. I don't know five thousand six thousand dollars a year guaranteed twenty years. Whether he's alive or dead they're gonna pay somebody this five thousand dollars a year for twenty years however at the end of twenty years he's still alive and kickin and haven't played on the beach down in jamaica someplace. We're still going to pay him for as long as he lives. Okay you can get one year five year tenure twenty year twenty five thirty year period certains in life thereafter. A lot of people wanna leave money to their kids but they only have a few hundred thousand dollars but it's a little hard for them to have the income and still have a nice settlement to give the children so they. I sell an awful lot of thirty years in lifetime thereafter. So there sixty eight years old. What i've done now is guaranteed income through age ninety eight but if they die at age. Seventy nine or eighty. They're still eighteen years left to pay their children so the children get some inheritance as wells. Mom dad getting a decent return. So that's a nice package. So hey here. I am a fifty four year. Old man married Got a little money. Got investments and four got some some index funds. I have an annuity. Ira my wife has an ira. She's got another retirement fund. But i've got you know thirty thousand dollars. I want to do something with war. Where should i put that money into an annuity to give back to me. When i retire in my sixties all right all right. Well i will keep in mind and i'm a big fan of of a qualified plans. I mean i like people. Everybody should have an ira or a roth ira or four one k. Plan you are saving money. However to give thirty percent of it away to the government when he retired absolutely so That hundred thousand that turns two hundred thousand and you start taking out a thousand a month. You're giving three hundred to the government. It's nice to put some money into an annuity that will give you an income. I remember i told you you're getting some of your principle back For every thousand dollars received from your a. they're getting two thousand dollars a month from your annuity. Maybe only about two hundred. Two hundred and twenty dollars is taxable so the end of the years. How much money jamaica. Well two hundred times twenty two thousand four hundred dollars and you pay tax on just twenty four hundred dollars so and and i have a number of those annuities member on the retired guy. Yeah and and there's nothing more fun than getting that ten ninety nine statement from the insurance. Come this as you made fifteen thousand dollars this year amount to be reported to the irs. Three not. that's not too bad so to answer your question. You got thirty thousand dollars. Leftover i guess we would sit down. Say if you really wanna long-term savings at fifty four. Let's put it into an annuity Earn right now. They're they're not paying enormous amount of money. A couple of percentage points maybe two and a half and you lock away for ten years or so and and when it's time to take it out you'll get five percent of that amount of money and it'll be very it. Looked very good on your tax form. How much you have to pay Every situation so unique I wouldn't be approaching the fifty four year old man with all the things you said you'd be calling me. I mean you say. I wanna put this way into an annuity by this time. You've already looked at your other option right okay and said i want yeah. I think i'll do the one thing about an annuity one. he will never lose your principal. I don't care what the market does and number two every day. Every tomorrow you'll be worth a little more than you were today. So you're making money while you're sleeping which is always a good thing to do. Your dad told you that when you were a kid. Find a way to make money when you're sleeping. Well his iowa my father in that regard he was He was one of these guys. He was a barber now. Barbara's don't make a fabulous amount of money but he used to always say it's not what you make. It's what you save. And then he used to say if you don't save twenty percent you're just not saving and so when you grow up with that when you make your first hundred dollars you don't think about spending one hundred you think about spending eighty because you're going to save twenty if everybody did that. We have a whole bunch of wealthy people in this country. Well we we earning interest instead of paying it so much. Hey i am. I mean if you if you look at see how much money you pay out a month in interest. I think it would blow your mind. I mean take a look at some of those things. I've done it before Scary stuff for a lot of cases. You look at that you all of a sudden decide. Okay i'm going to do something a little different here. We're going to start doing that. Pay myself first rather than paying myself later. But you know and that's really what it comes down to is how the average person can get involved in an annuity and make it something that That's going to work for so really anybody at any age can get involved an annuity. 'cause there's a product that works for them right. Yeah i'll tell you about a generational annuity here in a moment of the other new itys We started off the income annuities. The other newest are are. I've heard the words index annuity You've heard the traditional annuities micheals sands for multi year guaranteed annuity. You say i'm gonna buy ninety for four years in this company. Says we'll give you two and a half percent so for two and a half or if for four years you will get two and a half percent on your deposit The index annuities are an interesting feature and frankly they can be quite Effective in generating decent returns an index. Annuity looks at a part of the market. It could be the s. and p. five hundred it could be a a barclays fund goldman sachs fund. They look at this fund as a guide. They do not put your money into that fund. I don't know where they're putting the money But they are Allowing you to participate in the growth of those funds. So let's say you. You have an annuity and i'll just say this. I now explain next. let's say you have an annuity with seventy percent participation rate and you put one hundred thousand dollars into this index annuity. This wanna participate. Seventy percent of certain index could be the s. and p. five hundred. So let's say the s. and p. Five hundred goes up ten percent this year. You get seventy percent of that credited to your annuity once. It's credited so now you've got seven hundred thousand one hundred and seven thousand dollars no matter what happens to the market next year. You have one hundred seven. They can't take it away from me. So if the market crashes you aren't going to earn any interest but you're going to keep your hundred and seven thousand dollars. And so if the market goes up eight percent the next year you're going to get seventy percent of that and so on and there's usually a seven or ten year period of time that you buy the annuity for there's a few out there that have one hundred percent participation rates but most of them are more in the seventies or sixty sixties. And so on. And we've done a charts and graphs showing that if you get sixty percent participation rate over a twenty year period in many cases the index. You actually beat with the dow jones actually did. Wow because you are not participating in the down years from two thousand and two thousand eighteen People don't know this but there were six years where at the end of the year. The dow jones lost money right so out of the eighteen years three percent. Your annuity would not have lost any money. He would have held last year's gains and the following year after it lost money gained. Well you have to make up anything. I i've had I've had friends who said well lost while. Never forget nineteen eighty-seven some an old guy My neighbor came over. He was ready to retire. Hit lost half of his stock portfolio. He had six hundred thousand had three hundred head to work for three or four more years and finally he said it all came back. It took him three four five six years to get his three hundred thousand dollars back. Congratulations but had that been an index annuity. And i don't know if they're even around eighty seven he would have not lost money and when it finally did start to come back he would have had a lot more than six hundred thousand and he would have had more time to be retired. Yes yeah yeah. He could have actually retired when he wanted to retire. Absolutely so there's participation rates there's also caps the stock merc. Maybe you gotta cap of four percent. Stock market goes up eight percent. You get four sock market. Goes up three percent. You get three. You'll never more than four. The same principles the seventy percent deal but There's caps not a big fan of caps. I do like target. I'm sorry a trigger. Not target trigger trigger says it's the stock market goes up on dollar. You will get in this case. Four percent goes up three percent. You get four percent. If it goes up five percent you get four percent and same feature. Where if the market crashes nothing happens index note. He's are a good product and there's a lot of good companies out there that sell them and i have nothing. I have nothing against them. What's the risk on index annuity. I mean you think about it just the way you're talking it's almost like you. There's zero risk whatsoever and getting into something like i mean. If the insurance company itself should go bankrupt. i suppose that's a problem. And very few insurance companies have really gone like every other day. You talk about got some that are way more secure than others. The got some that are way more out there but obviously with risk you have. The potential of super high gain would low risk. You generally don't have any high well. As i said earlier an annuity you will not lose any principle Other than the variable. Annuity which i have shied away from. I don't sell it There's some folks in the at carlton company that can do carl. a variable. Annuity simply says the market goes up. It goes up the market goes down. It goes down and those are the ones that maybe Oh commercials about a mutual fund type of show would would say they're they're. They're kind of sketchy. Well i i don't think there are any more sketchy than straight up investing in stock But there are some other safeguards in those variable annuities a select group of people would find comforting advantageous. I don't think we want to get into that. Yeah no absolutely yeah. We're just trying to get a general topic of of what's going on with the new season. Why they can be a benefit of you and bob were of running out of time but i i really want you to To take a minute and let everybody know they can get a hold of iron safe. Annuities dot com. They can get a hold of you and they can see some of the information on your website to learn a lot more about annuities or to get some good questions for they can give you a call or maybe sit down and discuss sure nice thing about me as you call me up and you wanna ask a question. I am not going to say what's your name. What's your address. Can i come out and sit down and have an appointment with you. Know you ask a question out answer. I'll give you quotes over the phone. I'll send you proposals. I'm retired i. It's not that i don't care it's just that why would i want to go out and sit at your kitchen table and try to cram something down their throat. If you ask a question about annuities fine you wanna ask a question about life insurance with some fantastic Life pretend pay life you pay for for ten years and it's paid up and it's worth at the end of ten years just about every dime you paid into it. It's almost like taken out one savings account and putting into another. Yeah it's great. I tell all about that stuff and they can ask any question one. I will not bother them. Really good stuff. Iron safe. Annuities dot com. Check it out. go to the page. We're going to put a link actually right here on the You're listening to this show on the mary now. Podcast channel down there in the description. There's a link there just half that link and it'll take you right to it so you can get an opportunity. Nc make a phone call and maybe get yourself into another retirement account one with annuities. That could really do some good things for you. My guest today. Bob leoni from iron safe annuities dot com and carl and company and you could certainly reach out to him there Hanging out today and the marion public library community podcast studio for another episode of the marian. Now podcast forget if you're new to this podcast and you like the The talk that we're doing right now. Just hit follow right there on. 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Ep 4  A Sister of St. Thrse: Servant of God, Lonie Martin  Bearer of Hope w/Fr. Timothy Gallagher  Discerning Hearts Podcast

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Ep 4 A Sister of St. Thrse: Servant of God, Lonie Martin Bearer of Hope w/Fr. Timothy Gallagher Discerning Hearts Podcast

"Discerning hearts dot com in cooperation with the oblates of the virgin. Mary presents a sister of saint her as servant of the leoni. Martin bear of hope with father timothy gallagher. Father gallagher is a member of the oblates of the virgin mary. A religious community dedicated to retreats and spiritual direction according to the spiritual exercises of saint ignatius of loyola is featured on several series found on the eternal word television network. He's also the author of numerous books on the spiritual teachings up saint ignatius loyola and the venerable bruna lantieri founder of the plates of the virgin mary as well as other words focused on aspects of the spiritual life. A sister of saint tropez serving. God leone martin fair of hope father timothy galvin. I'm your host. Chris mcgregor well. Here is lee writing in a letter to pauline. This time and in them she describes leonie and as a simply uncontrollable that unless fear was the only thing that would stop her from acting out otherwise. If you gave her any freedom any rain at all the whole house would be in confusion. Just impossible either that or she would hurt herself in some way. That exist was no peace in the house. You who you get a glimpse of a at noon. I told her to make some sacrifices to conquer her bad mood and that for each victory she should put a hazelnut in a drawer. This was an adroit pointed out to her and we would count them. that evening. This was a practice was about them in the living the spiritual life at the time it was certainly in the by ten family where you would make sacrifices or do things for the lord and then in some way you would count these. I'm just remembering as i say this. That My mom did that with us on occasion. During lent she had a practice where each of us would have a glass jar and then they were just disorderly beans hard little beans and every time you did something for someone else in the family or something like that. You could put one in there. And then there'd be some kind of reward at the end of land or something like that. Well it's that sort of practice here. She was very happy about this but there were no more hazelnuts. I made her bring me a cork that. I cut into seven little slices that evening. I asked her. How many practices or deeds there were none. She done the worst she could. I wasn't happy and scolded her bitterly telling her this he certainly shouldn't ask to be a religious under these conditions and she started to cry must've been just daily at her wit's end at this point that just cannot make sense out of this child feels helpless and so she scolds her. This never worked with leone. And we'll we'll see daily will discover this then. She started to cry because she was sincerely repentant and she flooded my face with her tears today. There are already little slices of cork in the drawer. Now and this will give us another insight into leonie same letter to lean so you can see what he is doing. You know the she staying up at night. She's tired but she says sharing the little doing of the family to encourage and just to keep pauline abreast. Gino's pauline will all of this now. I must tell you about an venture that happened to us last night. The made this is louise who will be returning in the story soon. The made was in the process. Of course a made because with the business the children's league enter health daily simply couldn't keep up with thinks. The made was in the process of drying the dishes. It was already dark so it's evening and she was getting ready to cut the bread for the soup when she was interrupted. Leoni always quick to help her. That's just note that they need who is always so difficult is always quick to help the made to cold the bread and sliced it finally. Here's the soup ready to serve with the suport over the bretton. It was a puree of pea soup which marie likes a lot. She said papas at grand. Dinner at monsieur vitale's house who good friend of his member of catholic circle and allen song but he won't have soup as good as this. We all sat down to the table. I began to serve the soup. But i couldn't push the spoon. I felt a tremendous resistance. I said to. Louise what have you put in here. I can't find any bread. Are there only vegetables on the bottom of the soup tureen. Finally i tried to pull up. Whatever was blocking the spoon and after many tries i pulled up and she has three little dots. The dish towel leonie had cut the bread over it without noticing it so she put the dish tall together with the bread into the soup. So that's looney heart of gold but Something ghost something that's doesn't out for her and this will be a pattern so often for her. The soup wasn't eaten but on the other hand we had a good laugh. Your father said it was like the little shoe of the man from ovarian. It's not that dirty. It said it takes up space. You know the song marite. Now look at this. Marie didn't want me to tell you this last night i heard her say. I'm sure mama's going to tell. Pauline and the teachers will know. I'm ashamed of the which is a little insight into what it was like to be the sister of leoni. Who would do these things that would make you cringe with embarrassment. And then i'm marie to think that all the teachers and the nuns back at the boarding school are all going to learn about this. And she's just embarrassed and ashamed of this whole thing. Salient says i answered. I'll tell her all the same. They can laugh about it if they want the conclusion of the same letter. Goodbye my pauline. If your letter hasn't been sent all the better. Because i would very much like a few words for leoni Her aunt to write something to leoni. This poor child went to the instructions at the retreat every morning. At six o'clock so this is in the morning and as a retreat. Not sure maybe. This is in preparation for that second solemn communion but something along these lines a. She went to the instructions at the retreat. Every morning at six o'clock she was very afraid of failing. I didn't want to wake her up so early but she woke up on her own once. She didn't have time to put on her shoes. And without anyone noticing she went wearing some kind of worn out slippers. Fortunately it was dark out but she was strongly scolded and i told her she wouldn't do that. Again i kiss you with all my heart. So there's leonie again Just embarrassing just unaware that she's you know just doing things that are going to appear odd to others a centric and the thing is those are the kind of shoes if you can picture it. And i'm sure people have seen that they're the kind that go up more past the ankle near the calf that has to be laced up so it would have taken time to put your foot in so it's not like slipping on a shoe and running out the door. You'd have to do some work. And she was so nervous. She are focused or just wanted to get out there to didn't think of the social ramifications of. She had shoes on. She had something covering her feet so she ran out the door. It may be that she just woke up a little later than usual to and had to scramble. Who knows any of those situations all right two months later to hauling And this is a lovely letter. Which in a different context. It'd be nice to go through entirely davies. Aware that she doesn't know for certain yet but she she's almost looking back over her married life and describing it to all in she at this point she's talking about when they started having the children but when we had our children our ideas her her husband's about their marriage our ideas changed somewhat. We lived only for them. She says in another letter that i was born to have children. They were all our happiness and we never found any except in them. In short nothing was too difficult and the world was no longer a burden to us for me. Our children were a great compensation. So i wanted to have a lot of them in order to raise them for heaven and it's hard to doubt that the nine of their children are any terminal life. Four of them are already in a better place. So those are the the two boys in the two girls who died at an early age the others yes. The others will go there as well to the heavenly kingdom laden with more merits since they will have fought much longer. It's only leonie who's still a very heavy cross to bear. May here dear. Aunt obtained for me a change in my poor child. I'm always hoping for it this evening. She came to ask me. If she could see her aunt's mementos selena gomez looked at them at the same time and kissed them. At this point we reach what i think can fairly be called the pivotal moment in the life of lanee and this is a letter. That's written a week after that. We just read from and it's to her sister-in-law. I think that my sister her aunt leonie's and has obtained a great grace for me. So what happens at this point in elise. Mind is very clearly linked to the fact that her aunt who just a few weeks earlier died and is clearly in her mind with the lord. What happens here. she will always understand. Leeann you will too. As a grace gained through the intercession of leonis. And i think my sister has obtained a great grace for me. You know that. I wasn't able to have any influence over leoni. She ran away from me and this was so differently than any of the other children. I tried everything and nothing worked. She was fascinated by the made. All right so. This is where this louise monday comes into the story. Louise had been there. She was. I think about twelve years with the family as a maid and she would stay until his death. I tried everything nothing worked. She was fascinated by the made. So the main had some kind of Sway over leoni who nevertheless made her very unhappy without my realising it so this whole dynamic that's been playing out in that she's just discovering now has been going on and for several years daily just was not completely unaware of marie is the one who discovered everything told me about it. This is really a moment in which marie shines. She sees what nobody else sees. I've suffered a lot. I assure you not understanding this child's very strange behavior consequently. I didn't think there was any need for me to live aware that she's of perhaps close to death. There's no longer any need for me to stay here. Because i really can't do anything more for leonie. I've tried and tried and tried. And she simply flees from me. Consequently i didn't think there was any need for me to live not being able to be helpful to her at all but since saturday everything has changed in such a way. I'd never hope for. And i can't get over it. I don't have time to give you a lot of details. But all i can tell you is that she doesn't want to leave me. I'm taking care of her exclusively as is marie. The other that is louise's the made the other one has lost her influence forever. I can do as i pleased with lonnie before. I couldn't persuade her to get dressed to go out but yesterday and today she put on an outfit to come with me and wants to follow me everywhere. She was sorry this morning because she didn't have enough time with me and is asking me when this letter is going to be finished so she can talk to me and sit by my side now in the next letter will look at. We'll get the key to what's going on here. I received your letter which i was awaiting in early so i see. There's no hope for me. As far as the doctor goes so through her brother. Who is the pharmacist and doctor said. He knows she's been asking for medical advice. At this point it's clear that She's not going to recover from this cancer. But yet i want to live okay before she was ready to go but now everything's changed but yet i want to live especially now to begin to raise my lanee yet. I have hoped that our blessed mother will cure me but i still want to go on pilgrimage and in fact she will make a pilgrimage with the three oldest girl's to lourdes a seeking cure. Or right this is a letter written on the same day. And this time to pauline. I believe i've obtained a great grace through the prayers of your aunt. I've commended my poor. Leo need to her so many times since entrance into heaven. And i believe i'm feeling the effects of it. You know what your sister was like was like a spirit of insubordination other words. Something's changing now. Never wanting to obey me except by force acting defiantly doing the complete opposite of what i wanted and this is what say simply could not understand doing the exact opposite of what i wanted even when she would have wanted to do it and finely obeying i tried everything in my power to draw to me it had all failed until today and watch what follows and that was the greatest sorrow i've ever had in my life. This inability to win the heart of this difficult daughter. She describes as the greatest sorrow. I'd ever had in my life since your aunt died. I begged her to return. This poor child's hard to me and sunday morning. My prayer was answered. Now i have her heart as completely as possible. She doesn't wanna to leave me for a moment. She hugged me to the point of suffocating. Me does everything. I tell her without arguing and works by my side all day long. The made completely lost her authority. And it's certain that shall never again have any influence over leoni by the way in which things happened. She founded a severe blow and she cried and moaned. When i told her to leave immediately and that i wanted her out of my sight and we still don't yet have the full explanation. I'm just going to let the letters this. But it's clear that the made louise has had a very harmful influence on leoni and the moment that leonie is not free from that everything blossoms in her and her relationship with her mother. I'm going to wait some time before. I make her leave because she's begged me so much to stay. In fact the various maids who had sailly had over the years they all loved saline. None of them wanted to leave because she treated them like family and was so good to them. I'm going to wait some time before. I make her because she begged me so much to stay. In fact sally will forbid her to say even a word to laya needs. Have nothing to do with laney but will allow her to stay on as long as sheets. Lee is alive and alani later years would write that. She was always grateful to louise the maid. For the loving care that she took of ille- in sally's last month's now treat this child with so much gentleness that i hope to succeed and this is what's always works with her a little by little correcting her faults. Yesterday she came with me to go for a walk and we went to the monastery of the poor claris. that's the monastery. I mentioned earlier. She whispered to me. Mama asked the cloistered sisters to pray for me so that i become a nun. Finally all is well. Let's hope this continues my dear pauline. Since you're so favored by your an prey to her that she cure me of my own. Which you know about. I want now more than ever to stay with you. It's more necessary for layla. Need than for the little ones. She knowing now that leonie can be changed and needs a mother's love now in a whole new way she. She longs as we'll see at least for some more years of life because she knows this will not be a quick process with leoni but she now knows that it can happen. Ten days later to pauline. I didn't have the courage to give the made all the messages that were in your letter so lean obviously had some pretty sharp things to say to the made. Now that she's realized with the made was doing. I don't it all. Profess to be sympathetic to her. As you are especially recently i know. She's devoted and attached to us in her own way but i'm not happy with her violent nature now hero interject from that memoir that dumb re in later years her description of louise the may what was going on so she says later we had a maid who had the unhappy talent of freezing with just a glance by three little sisters of pollen leoni and aline. No one could ever get away with that kind of thing with marie. She just never permit that she was strong in that way i was the only one she didn't catch in her net. I saw that poor little helene. The weeden lovely little girl was very sad when she happened to get a spot on her stockings on her apron. She didn't dare to play for fear of having that happen and then being scolded by louise i did it on purpose to show her. I wasn't afraid of her. And when she approached me. I answered back immediately. I'm free i am. She nickname me. I'm free i am and it was. She was afraid of me. It interesting is the more you get into. The family of these. Five surviving sisters had a very different character. Since i'm on the chapter about louise i will say that. That poor girl made my two little sisters leonie and helene very unhappy. She did love very much little helene. Who is ravishing and had the sweetness of angel but as lease was lacking in judgment. She didn't see that she was terrorizing. The poor child and that word is not too strong leonie toward the end of her life. Maybe we'll later. Reach some of these letters reflects back on these days and speaks of louise as her torture. Which is the exact translation of the words he uses essentially what louise did was this. She saw this girl that nobody could discipline parents. No-one there were all help us and she decided that she was going to be the one to take charge and so she began literally terrorizing leoni a forcing her to obey her. And if she didn't she would physically and emotionally. She be struck yelled at and louise told her. That came the one that you are to obey and not your mother if your mother asked you to do something you go ahead and do what you're going to pay a price for an afterwards in. This was widely on. You would not obey her mother because she knew she would suffer for it later and this is why she was always helping louise though she was a literally terrorized during and this went on for several years so today we would speak of physical and emotional abuse. She was in this sensory. She was an abused child. In addition to everything else now. There's a lot of writing on why louise did this. There was a goodness in the lease. But there's another side that you see marie describing. That could be cold and harsh and domineering. Louise was not educated. Her judgment was poor so she stepped in and she was solving a problem in her mind. But she you really made leoni suffer and of course a lee you know on as a result and this went out for some years and has no idea that any of this is happening. She notices course both things. That laney is very resistant to her. And that us always a hanging around the the made a working with the made when the other children are out playing and say we can't get her to go out and play and so on now she understands what happens is marie. Here's enough she. Just here's some conversation going on between louise and leonie and gets the send. Something isn't right here. And she begins a looking into it and she uncovers what's happening and she tells say league. And this is when everything changes. A father gallagher. If we could to a for those who are listening to kind of set the stage there might be some out. There will say well. Why didn't sell a sees. Their home was also a place of work. There is a lot of activity happen. I would imagine the made is not just a may also a child care giver and so there probably wasn't the type of oversight. You would've anticipated if you were in a modern day home. I mean there's there's a lot going on there and marie. During those years as this was growing she wasn't there she was at school so wasn't until she was able to come home and began to interact with girls while still continuing work. Plus she's dealing with all of the physical elements that's coming from having breast cancer and not being able to have it treated as we understand. Breast cancer treatment is cared for today. So there's whole dynamic happening in this household but having settle that as you said leonese experience child abuse in a very real way abide this particular caregiver especially if she does have a degree of some type of disability yes in in addition to this there was no reason to suspect louise anything she and with the family for years after she had her limitations and so on but there was every reason to trust through there had been no other complaints about her as she interacted with children over the years. And as i guess is offering a true in these cases she was very able in sending the message to these young girls. That if you let any of this leak out you are really going to pay for it. Now they call that grooming grooming behavior even back in the late eighteen hundreds sad to say but then again here is the story of that it seems long ago and yet it has it touches on the experience of many people. Let me different aspects of it. This is not an unheard of story. No and it certainly had its impact on holding back the goodness of heart. That was in leoni in a very real way. Well let's complete murray's comments on louise. She did very much love little helene. Who is ravishing and had the sweetness of an angel. Okay but as was lacking in judgment. She didn't see that. She was terrorizing that poor child and really hurting her. Mama saw this one day and said to her but it seems to me that you are making these children unhappy. I forbid you to scold them for nothing. Do then seeing that. The two little ones were always around her and seem to love her. This poor little mama trusted louise of that's Marie comments on. What's happening all right. Let's pick up with the letter to pauline. I know that she that is lease is devoted and attached to us in her own way. But i'm not happy with her violent nature. I won't be sorry to see her go. Especially since i discovered which he'd put leoni through that you see on never forget. I could never have believed that one could have done for so long and so coldly the things she did to a poor creature who didn't dare complained for quote fear of getting twice as bad as she leoni now admits and would you believe this girl claims that she was being a great help to me. Maybe in her own mind. She thought she was thinking that she was very clever to have been able to control your sister. Who in her opinion. No-one else was able to tame. And then say the comments but brutality never converted anyone and certainly never leoni it only make slaves of people. And that's what happened to this poor child. I'm still convinced at your aunt. Who's responsible for this being discovered. Now leonie doesn't leave me for a minute. And that's i think you can see right speak of this as the pivotal moment. In her life she goes everywhere with me showing a happy face. She no longer put up any resistance to me on the contrary she anticipates. Please me and doesn't wait for my instructions. I didn't know why she never wanted to take a minute of playtime. When a meal was finished she would clear the table with the room in order and ensure do the servants work. I was tired of saying to her. Go outside and play in the garden. I don't want to see you here. While everyone else is enjoying themselves. She would say to me grudgingly. I want to stay here. I've since learned that the maid had said to her. If your mother tells you to go play go but you know that afterward you're going to pay you see all of that outrages me to appoint i can't express now leoni plays with the joy of a four year old so this is an enormous liberation. Forleo need she makes a little too much noise and isn't quite enough. That's only and i have to calm her down but she tries very hard. Let's hope that little by little show change completely with god's help that's why now i have a desire to live that i never knew until today child needs me very much after i die. She'll be two miserable and no one will be able to make her obey except the one who made her suffer so much but no. This won't be because when i'm dead. She'll have to leave right away. Fact xavi made this as a firm condition. It was observed. She allowed louise's to stay. Because louise begged so much as long as she was alive and say the could watch over her behavior but as soon as lead herself was no longer there and she insisted that louise's leave which in fact is what happened. Good enough louise's later married raised a family. She asked for forgiveness. Leone did forgive. Her will probably read that letter later on or the end of her life. It's a lovely letter and she was actually one of those who was a witness in the cause of canonization of tarez. No so her testimony. Is there with the others. Been though this won't be because when i'm dead. She'll have to leave right away. I don't think they'll refuse to carry out my last wishes which they didn't but i trust in god i'm asking him now for the grace to let me live. I know very well that he won't take my onus away and my dying but i asked that he grant me enough time so that lanee won't need me anymore and just have to say you know how how good god is in that leonie will have these memories of her mother in these last days. It may not have been a long time. They had some time and she will have some memories infra. La i mean i it. It's so poignant. I mean it just doesn't it. It's hard pressed to get more. Poignant than this moment really is yes. Her sister dies in february and we will die in august so you know what is that about seven months or something like that but those months were really important for daily and for me for the rest of her life the relationship that would have been there much earlier headed not ben for the made was finally able to he established and that was really key in life. And i would say that. It must have been an important moment for those sisters from marie. And pauline particularly because they were old enough to be aware of what's happening but also maybe for the younger ones but for those two older sisters to be able to look at their sister leone and know that it wasn't that she was willfully or even out of ignorance being cruel to their mother and that she wasn't you know in those last years that you didn't treat mama well for those girls especially for marie to have been the advocate for change meeting which part of that picking that all up including those heavenly intercession of her aunt for them to have that understanding of what happened. I think that was important for the whole family to heal. So there wasn't that resentment and bitterness towards her. Sure you know i think i quoted earlier the phrase of one commentator that leonis life is the victory of a family and you can see it the and of course her parents her sisters even her other aunt and her uncle is the door at all of that. This is really very much. The love of a family leoni have done it without her family and they supported her all the way to the end of her life will be seeing some of this later on the aunts and uncles. All of them needed to know this part of her story. It's truly was a reconciliation. I mean it's a that depth of understanding of what was going on so that there would not be this bitterness towards her after his. La's death who well. That's something that will be seeing. Not only was there no division or bitterness amongst the five sisters but there was never a remarkably leonid. There is never the slightest bit of jealousy toward her sisters. She loves them all with With great affection and the sisters all of her with us all all for the including tarez. The love between these sisters really beautiful things many beautiful things in this certainly humanly painful story but one of them is the depth and the warmth set of the affection and love of these five sisters amongst themselves and it made all the difference in leo knees life but it was a huge source of strength for all of them. But we'll be seeing some of that directly later on when we look at some of the letters and i just have to interject probably also the prayers of another little sister elena who was trying along with her end prayed so hard for them leoni. Well that's one way of looking at the life of loony. She owes her physical survival to the prayers of her aunt. Who makes that. No beena to then blessed margaret. Mary ella coke she does what she calls her conversion at age fourteen. What we're exploring right now again to the intercession of her aunt because it takes place within weeks of her aunt's death and entrance he's got into eternal life and i don't want to anticipate too much but if she was able to live religious life. She does that to tarez because this happened. Shortly after terrell's death tarez also said that she would be taking this intention before the lord and leoni is very well aware of this. How she does these pivotal points in her life. How she owes them to the grace of other saintly members in the family. That's beautiful stari humility. Isn't that a classic example that knowledge that understanding. That's that's a humble knowledge isn't it. Well father gallagher. Thank you so much. I cannot wait for the rest of the story. Thank you pick this up next time. You've been listening to a sister of saint erez servant of leoni martin. 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#442 - Huge Power Rankings Update and a Best of with Tarah Gieger

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We got the INDYCAR finale You know we got a lot obviously NASCAR's always in the mix. I feel like maybe next week would have been a better time but I'm just glad we're back man. Well Jim keep in mind that part of the reason why. Why we haven't been able to do these things is because so much of the stuff that's been going on racing, feel like both of us have been responsible for in some way whether competing organizing some stuff behind the scenes you name it it's it's been hard to carve out the time but yeah, I'm with you. It's could be back to a little bit of normalcy in a year that's been anything. But yeah. So I mean that being said, let's kind of dive into these things Christen. Let's see I. Truly I. have no idea where we're going to be at this week I. Don't know if we're going to be close or far away on our on our Anqing. But who do you have at number five this week? Well. Jim. Number five jumping right in. So we are to go to the Lucas oil off road racing series and we're GonNa go to that championship finale that they just had It's been a really weird year for those guys doubt just the schedule changes like we said it's been a weird year for everybody. You know a lot of different schedule changes, things like that. We're going to. Glen Helen. I am going to put Corey Weller on my list at number five for taking home three turbo UTV titles in a row. It's feed anytime. You can just go back to back you know and certainly winning a single it'll but being able to do it three years in a row especially as you racing is just. Really started to explode in a weather you're talking short course racing obviously desert racing and. I know that that's where you focused your program. Now in the desert is with UTV's but I I mean the the market has just really blown up the amount of quality racers, top tier racers who've made the shift from other classes into ut racing. I. Mean There's some of the biggest classes now that show up anywhere they go. So you really have to be the best of the best to take a championship in one of those divisions and you know for Corey. Do continue winning those titles I've got her number five. Okay, well, I will definitely get to Corey Weller I'm going to have a little bit farther up my list than you did, but definitely going to have her on my list so I will get to get to Miss Weller who's a good friend of mine but I'm GonNa go to number five and I'm going to do one that's a little bit controversial and what people understand what power rankings are, and you know it's been a while since Christen I've done them. So this is a window of time a one week window. When We basically judge driver on their performances or you know sometimes it's teams or whatever. It's basically one week snapshot on who had a very big week for one reason or another. So that being said, I'm not saying I agree or disagree but we all have to agree that This week was a massive week for one Kyle Larson who just got reinstated back into NASCAR now, Chris and I aren't going to get into arguing the semantics of what happened or or what have you but Chris. I gotTA agree I mean this is a big deal for Kyle Larson to be reinstated by NASCAR starting January one that puts him basically back in the fold for a seat for next year right about the right time to be honest with you and it also opens the door for him to do a full season and compete for a championship next year. Yeah, it certainly is a big move. Obviously, the reinstatement as NASCAR announced a comes into play. On January first. So I don't believe that that will change I would imagine that we're not going to see him in a car for the rest of this year the rumors of kind of been swirling around reinstatement for him for quite some time. He's certainly done a lot of work behind the scenes over the past six months his you know a a lot of those things have been done. Of the public spotlight there are a number of other initiatives that he's going to be undertaking over the next few years as a matter of fact, you know in the end of. NASCAR is the sanctioning body. NASCAR makes the decisions. NASCAR has seen what Kyle Larson has done and has determined that. All right. They're comfortable with being able to bring him back under you know a number of additional conditions and considerations and You know I I would imagine considering what he's done over the past six months and things that he's done outside of the public spotlight I would imagine that Kyle is going to dive full bore into those. so you know in the end yeah. I think it's one of those things and there are many in this day and age you know. In this country in this year in everything where you're not going to change anybody's mind by debating them You know in the end Nascar's determined that all right now you know now is the time were were comfortable with this You know we're comfortable with bringing kyle back. We feel like he's done the work that he needs to do and that he's going to continue to do the work that he needs to do to make up for you know to. You know just just make up for what happened and in the end that's that's all you can ask for when you're a driver getting opportunity to come back and in the end, that's all you can ask for the sanctioning body when giving the driver the opportunity. So we will see how that plays out from there. Obviously, a NASCAR silly season has kind of gone into full effect in there are a lot of seats that have changed hands already but yes, it will be interesting to see where it goes from there. Yeah and I think you know as we kinda close us out we're not gonNA talk much more on it but you know big thing is Nascar reinstated Kyle Larson. That doesn't mean Kyle Larson's racing next year that just means NASCAR saying okay. If you can figure it out, you can race one finding a team that will sign. Kyle Larson is going to be tough the WHO has a seat that's available to Kyle Larson into finding a sponsor willing to fund the right is going to be tough. So just because Kyle, Larson is reinstated does not mean we will see Kyle Larson at the Daytona five hundred next year. So I just want to put that out there. It's a lot of fans suiting in go Larson's back. Good. Not Necessarily Nascar just saying you know if you can find the funding and find somebody who'll have you your back so There's that out there which is a whole nother story A. but I think it was warranting it was a big move for Kyle I. Don't want to say a big move I mean it was just a big news. So we definitely had to have that somewhere brought into the show and on the list but Chris do you have number four? Yeah for sure Jim and just before we move on from that I mean you're absolutely right and we've both dealt with enough sponsorships to know that they're going to. Be People who are going to be willing to take a chance in there are gonna be people who are going to be concerned I mean you know it was the same way after he got suspended a lot of partners left him and some stuck by him with what he was doing in dirt oval racing. So you know you're you're always going to have that kind with the open marketplace allows for for number four. We're GONNA go to the Texas Motor plex going go to Nhra racing and you know first of all, shout out to both the Nhra an campingworld on putting together a brand new sponsorship. Such short notice but I am going to go and like you've talked about Sometimes, we won't just highlight drivers will highlight teams and I'm GonNa go torrance racing and I'm going to say you know I'm GonNa put them at number four for both Steve Van. Billy. Torrance. And obviously they're great friends the show in great friends of ours but both of them. Making it to the final and Steve Torrents expanding his points lead you know great weekend for them and obviously home state race for them. You know they they had the capco sweet up there with you know with all their guests and everything. So it's always it's always a little extra sweet to dominate your home race doesn't matter what sport you're talking about but Certainly for torrents racing and you know, and then Capco boys have been probably the strongest top fuel team for a few years now. So just sort of back to the winning ways man, you remember a couple of years ago and we did this and Stevo is just a lock for number one every single week to the point where we rule. He swept the play offs the countdown whatever. is calling it but I know I've got I've got I've got Torrance's on my list later on but you're right. You know and you know chiming in on that Chris I mean at some point. Well, let's we're GONNA cut to a break because somebody get into this and then we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA be up against time break. So we're going to take a short commercial break and we'll return with more power rankings here on the general tire down and dirty radio show powered by Polaris Razor. Your Life Demands Attire that provides durability comfort, an performance, and that's what general tire delivers for you. 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Welcome back to the general tire down thirty radio show powered by Polaris Razor. Chris Leoni Jim beaver. Here we're just getting power rankings started. We're at number four Chris had Capco having given my my number four quite yet. But Chris Torrance, racing and You know I've got to. Finish what I was saying Chris before the break you're talking about Steve Torn how we almost had him on lock a couple of years ago you know almost every single season he had that dream season swept the countdown I mean it was just it was amazing what he was able to do, but it's some point and I and I say this because there's one championship he didn't win that Brittany four snuck in in the playoffs won it and that kind. Of steamrolled this whole thing because Steve, that was his championship in any other format he would have been the champion he had more wins everything else and I'm not taking away from Britain four. She's amazing competitors. She deserved a win that she got hot at the right time but Chris at some point I mean Steve Torrents at I do that. But if he he locks up this championship again and you know he's going to take probably taken other winter so. I mean, when do we start putting him in? You know in that category of all time greats in Nhra I mean, you know e- hate to say a window three or four years but Chris he's got so many wins and three or four years like some points Steve's got to conversation. And I guess my my response to that Jim is he isn't already I mean they've been so so dominant, I mean. Like And you know that obviously I grew up kind of a NASCAR GUY and so you look at like a guy like Jimmy Johnson let's pretend that. Jimmy Johnson's five championship years were the only years and that he was mid pack or whatever at best the other five or you know the other decade plus of his career and that he just had those five titles in a row. Wouldn't you still consider it an all time great based on that because I still would and I kind of feel the same way about Steve. Torrens I mean certainly I don't think that run of dominance is coming to an end anytime soon, I, don't. See anything that sort of indicates that they're going to slow down anytime soon but nonetheless, I. I mean I think we're already at the point where he's there. You Know I. I think they've just been so good for. Long enough now that that you have to put somebody like that in that in that tier of all time greats in that conversation. Now, there's a difference between all time grades and the all time rate absolutely, and that's basically and that's where I'd come down with it. He's already in the all time greats conversation all time greatest. It'll take a little longer to you know make hoping anybody anybody's GonNa against, John Force including Steve Torrents. With the run right forces hat and the amount of championships and wins and everything else. I, mean. It's kind of like Richard, Petty, he deserves to be called the king and I don't see anybody dethroning Richard Petty Anytime soon you know I feel like I kind of feel like you know, Yeah John Forces kind of the Richard Petty of trag racing. There's been a lot of all time greats, but there's only one greatest you know. It depends how you feel about Kyle Busch I guess. Well. Ashley Petty Petty, and this is where you and I could go down this whole rabbit hole i. just feel like petty did it all at the Cup level you know? Not to say, the Cup level was the same back then it is is now you know? I don't know. This is this a podcast in itself? WHO's the all time Greats Askar driver I think we could dive into that on a podcast episode project action. We'll project action that's actually one we should do but maybe pull somebody else in. That's like a real NASCAR. Geek and. Actually. Yeah. You know I I got some ideas on that front. I haven't text Mel, Buddy Larry Mac in a while maybe you mean Larry mcreynolds. This out this offseason Larry Maccabi be down for that. So that's a podcast Chris off these attacks Larry Mac it'd be like Larry We'd have this conversation on a podcast so. That would be fun and I don't know. I think Larry Max One guy's NASCAR knowledge even eclipses years. Chris. So. I am I am not going to argue with Larry. King. was winning races before I was born I, can't really say much there. Where are we? Number. Four I'm going to go with Brock Higer at number four. Let's get this out there. Let me go brock I'm a big fan of Brock eager this kid. Doesn't matter if he's any UTV a desert race car a short course car I mean this kid is an animal I've said it before he is one of the futures of Offroad Motor Sport. You know I think there's actually probably more to his career than off road in the future he's that talented. This is a big championship for him. Clean Up. The pro-life championship relates always stacked i. mean it really is especially guys like Ronnie Anderson in their forty. You know it's not easy to win a championship brock you're a world class talent and I truly mean that you know sky's the limit for this kid in his career and you know I gotTa have him a number formalist. Doubt Certainly, a certainly a fast driver in somebody who I've always been impressed with seeing him regardless of what he's been driving um so very well deserved to take home yet another championship. This his trophy case has got to be getting pretty crowded by now. Speaking of crowded trophy cases. My number three I am staying in Texas with the Nhra and I am staying team route. Just because you know, we talk about Steve Torrance's run a couple years ago in the playoffs right and this is this is a team run rather than individual run but Jack Beckman's win on Sunday in the funny car final. Twelfth in a row for Don Schumacher racing. That's insane. That's really really crazy and I get it. I mean it's a different year. Obviously, John Force racing is on the sidelines right now and you have to imagine that. That might be a little different right now if John Forrest and Robert, hight were you know competing against those guys but none the less you know a lot of things have to go right for you to win twelve in a row. A lot of things that have to go right for you to win twelve you can't have any freak accidents. You can't have any mistakes you can't have. You can't have one of those weekends where everything just goes wrong you have to overcome. You have to get everything right You know and even even when you've got multiple bullets in the chamber. So to speak and multiple entries, you know there are some weekends that race teams just don't have it. It doesn't matter what sport you're talking about does matter if you talk in Nascar when you've got all these three, four car teams does matter if you're talking in the car Nhra F one, you know it it just it doesn't matter twelve in a row regardless of the sport you're you know regardless of the discipline, just an incredibly impressive number and so to be able to see them, do that I. Mean I know we talk about power rankings being. As kind of a one week thing. But when you have sustained dominance it always factors. Roy. And another one I mean and they're another one where they they swept the final. You know it was Jack. Beckman in one Lane Matt Hagan and the others. So you know DSR number three and you know certainly if you're going to give it to one name. Jack Beckman. Yes for the victory but nonetheless I mean that whole team that's that's a whole lot of winning. In it's hard to replicate that level of winning. NOPE NOT GONNA argue there with me I'm GONNA go stand in the dirt though Chris I'm going to go number three with somebody you've already had on your list I'm GonNa. Go with Miss Corey Weller, and You know like you'd said back to back to back titles in in Turbo UTV man she's got some fierce competition. You know talking about the likes guys like Ronnie Anderson, who I've seen him do things behind the wheel of a ut that I just truly thought weren't even possible and I've actually had this. Conversation internally. You know and everybody knows RJ Anderson the Guide and the X. P. One gay guy. Put people don't realize and I think even rj J. will tell you this his brother's actually a better UTV driver than he is. Ronnie's that good and for Corey well, or two I mean truly is it's tough to take that many titles in a row in short-course especially stacked utd divisions and near the bigger picture here too is cory weller I mean. You WanNa talk about all time greats. I'm looking at gist offroad racing but if you look at just offroad racing, cory wells got to be. I I don't want to say this because I I really need to do the research, but she's got to be one of the goats I mean you know grace of all time when you talk about female offroad racer she truly with her. Body of work I mean you know I would like to see her do a little more in the desert you know and she hasn't really gone down that route but I, mean, she is She is legit. I mean she's putting together what potentially could be an offroad hall of fame career and I think you know I don't say that lightly because I don't say that about very many drivers but waller's really doing that. Much. So you know when you see these championships in these wins, I think we've all started taking it for granted because there's been so many of them but realize I mean she's that good and she's racing into individuals that are stack I mean she's taking podiums in pro four. You know you WanNa talk about the toughest division offroad yeah, Corey Waller's taking podiums and pro force. She's that good. So coryell are third on the list. Yeah no doubt, and certainly you know has been somebody who's been awesome to work with and the little bit that I've been able to work with her as well. So very very well deserved You know all the accolades that that third straight title again that's you know somebody who I couldn't leave off my list number two and this is fun. You know because we have gone in completely different directions with lists on a week where we didn't necessarily think that there was going. To be all that much to talk about it's always fun when that happens 'cause you know what I've noticed is we'll have a week where there's like ten different things happening and we'll have almost the same list. So this one's been different this one's been cool. So we'll see if the next one ends up on your list at all I've got chase Briscoe at number two, not only for winning the xfinty race at Kansas and punching his ticket into the championship four but after. A stressful couple years of you know am I gonNA still be with Fordham I still going to be with Stewart Ha's where am I going to raise? How much am I gonNA race ends up in the fourteen car ends up Tony Stewart's flagship car over at Stewart. Ha's for the twenty twenty one season so gets promoted well-deserved. Replacing Clint Boyer going to be a hell of an addition to the Fox Nascar booth on a full-time basis who was another driver who's just always been really fun to. Watch and listen to a, but I think Chase Briscoe is gonNA IMPRESS NASCAR Cup rookie running full time next year. So excited for him Excited to see if he's able to take that xfinity title win number nine on the year for him at. Kansas. So certainly, well deserved looking forward to where that goes. Yeah. Definitely. Not GonNa Argue that you know my number. Two I've got jared brooks but I feel bad and I had it. I feel bad. So we're up against the time break here. So we're going to have to keep this one pretty short I think Chris but I don't know where we're going three segments here. Let's just I'm just throwing that out there we're up against time break. We're going to take a short commercial break and we'll be back with our top one and a half when we return here to the general tire down and dirty radio show powered by Polaris? Razor. Like what you hear, catch all the episodes of the down and dirty radio show on apple podcast and be sure to rate review and subscribe. Polaris Rider, Jim beaver Irish, trophy trucks professionally hosted down and dirty radio show, and also travel the country announcing motorsports events. I've seen it all and trust me I've done most of it. 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Your next cat back exhaust headers Leffler or utd exhausted Gibson performance, dot com get more power and more. Like what you hear. All the bag episodes of the down and dirty radio show on Apple podcast and be sure to rate review and subscribe. Welcome back to the general tire dirty radio show powered by players razor we're deep into segment number three powering see what happens Chris when we take a month off from power rankings we just have like all this I don't know I don't know all this conversation that just needs to be regurgitated out there. Too. So I'm going to go with Jerry Brooks in my number two this kid I've watched him in the mid West I watched McCain and I've watched them on the West Coast you WanNa talk about dominant. Kid is just bad fast he is wicked quick. He's got back back pro titles. He's gone back to back in pro light before. You know he's another one a little older than Jerrett Brooks but are Brock Hager excuse me but Jerry Brooks is is kids the real deal you know it's been amazing to watch how fast he is how he carries himself and really excited to see you know what the future holds for him and his program but I'd have Jason Brooks the number two, but I do have an honorable mention we'll get to that. We'll get to that after we roll through a number one Chris. Well. Jim It's funny because this list was very different of for me last night than it is this morning and it's because I had the bump everybody down one. End. It's because actually my honorable mention was Joey Logano for winning the NASCAR race at Kansas I know it wasn't popular because you know you've a lot of people felt like Kevin Harvick had the faster car and just wasn't able to goodbye under the current cup package but that's neither here nor there my number one it was a little video series that some people may or may not be familiar with called the Gymkhana. It's going under a little bit of a reset this year because instead of Ken Block behind the wheel, it's Travis. Pastrana. And they unveiled that car a couple of hours before we recorded these power rankings and Oh, man that is a beautiful car That may be my favorite purpose built race car that I've seen drop over the past decade because that thing is just insane. The amount of horsepower I mean it's you knew that when Travis was gonNA take over Gymkhana that Travis was going to. Get something that really went all out that they want to take this thing to the next level right? I mean that's you. You knew that was coming BUT THIS CAR O. Oh Man I. I. I can only imagine what it must be like to drive that thing and I can only imagine what it would be like to be in the passenger seat of that thing with Travis driving it I mean talk about a beautiful piece of machinery that is going to be such a fun video to watch I think they've done a ton to sort of revitalize that Gymkhana franchise I mean we know that Jim Tan was special because it was can essentially bidding farewell to this. Medium machine that he created with all the Gymkhana videos, and so they did all the different filming and all the different cars, all the different places, and then you have the little teaser of Travis coming in at the very end and taken the keys and drive off and they were just like stay tuned I. You know I I don't think it took a lot of mental gymnastics figure out that this is where that was going but they're back to Subaru, they are You know they they are unveiling a car God. I. Could you imagine just whether it was stage rally rally cross a whole series of cars that were built like this. It wouldn't be financially sustainable die off in two years but could you just imagine what it would be like to have like fifteen to these bad boys ripping around. I'll be, ticking time bomb. Very short racist but. You know one, the tire life wouldn't be worth a damn. It would be it would be interesting to watch. It would be like the rally cross version of of Monster Jam I think. Where everything's just so big and chin. Like out. Of Control I duNno Chris. Gymkhana is an interesting thing. I never really thought we'd see can block step away from the franchise and I'm sure but I've had this conversation with Kim and we've talked about it I. I've talked about with RJ with Martelli brothers who've been involved in viral films and he gets to a point when you have such a successful franchise and it's viral films where you're doing stunts and you have to push the limits, continue to push the limits and it gets hard because you know it's like where where else this can go he shutdown la he shutdown San Francisco he's shut down You know what Dubai, I mean he he's you know. I mean, what does he shut down Times Square next like where does it stop? Does he does he do donuts around the Washington monument like you know what I mean like there's a point where where does it stop and I think with Cannon Gymkhana got to that point you know like he's done universal studios he's taken that place over like you hate to say there's nothing else for candidate do but there's really nothing else for Kim to do damn. She doesn't have to prove anything to anybody and you know I think giving the reigns to somebody new and obviously you know. Everybody thinks Gymkhana they think can block you know but I think Travis and him have been friends for a very long time It's GonNa be Interesting Travis I mean this guy has his own media company and it's going to be interesting to see the different thoughts and theories of Travis brings to the table and he's got a completely different driving style and Ken Block so. I you know. Do I think we're going to see ten? Jim. Collins from Travis. This might be a one and done maybe they'll be a follow up at some point I think Kennel come back and do another one. I think Ken still has before he kind of puts Jim Connett Abed you know at least from his standpoint i. think he's got at least one left him. That's going to be a swansong and it'll probably be the biggest baddest one ever but it's GonNa take them a couple of years to to really think it through and figure out how they're gonNA, approach it and what they're gonNa do you know but No I'm I'm very excited about this new one I'm excited to. See trapped behind the wheel He's an amazing talent. We we've said this long before I mean I I if I put the five best drivers in the world, all around drivers in the world If I had a name, a list Travis Pastrana would be in that and I'm not saying the best driver in any one discipline I mean the most well rounded drivers in the entire world vitalise five travis is going to be on that list. I'M GONNA Have Sebastian Loeb Probably Robby Gordon. I'll have probably Fernando Alonzo he's proved a lot to me. I don't know who would be the fifth, but you know I think Travis definitely in that conversation Chris. Yeah exactly and I mean I I'm with you too I. Mean there there's there's guys like that who you can put them in anything and whether they're gonNA win outright or not or even just hold their own i. mean it's so difficult to hold your own in all these different. All these different disciplines it's why people don't do it anymore way that Aj foyt Mario Andretti did everything is so specialized now. is so different from one another when you have somebody who converts from one discipline to another and does it well Jimmy, Johnson's another great example of somebody who did that because Jimi was a great offer driver and then made the move over to stock cars and look what he did there, and now he's going to try to move over to Indycar next year I mean and you think about some of the guys who filled out I mean you remember? Ten, fifteen years ago and men. Now, I'm starting to feel old because I was a kid when I was watching this all the indycar drivers, all the open-wheel guys we're going in ASCONA and. Those were legendary drivers I. Mean you're Never GonNa Knock Dario, Frankie driving talent, but he couldn't do anything with his Nascar Opportunity Jacques Villeneuve. We're talking to Formula One champion couldn't do anything SAM. Hornish who I've always said if he would have stuck with any car, he probably would have been one of the all time greats. Yes. Sam. Hornish another one. Yeah. No certainly another one. I mean. Sam. Did actually manage to win a couple I. Think xfinity raises along the way. So Sam had that is like Dario in shock and that's I mean that that's just your point I mean in terms of greatness there's somebody who again yeah I mean he he didn't really end up doing much of the cup level but was able to adapt at least a little bit. You know. It's it's so hard to be able to do that. But. I mean. This Is just. Into a truck at Las Vegas and like he's fine. which brings this up. You know a lot of people were robby. Gordon. Fan On the show I'm you know Robbie's a very good friend of mine Here's a question though bringing this in as you know, I still need to get to my number one but Robby Gordon I. Mean he won. At the indy-car level damn. Near one in five hundred ran out of gas with about. A half a half turn to go. But. He wanted the any car level and he's got three NASCAR Cup victories to his name to on road courses one on an oval, which I think is very important because approved. Win On an oval but Chris I, mean you know when you start talking about this and you're talking about all these guys that washed out and you're talking some of the all time greats like where does Robby Gordon factor into this because he arguably has had successive both. Oh I mean he certainly has and would robbie have the right opportunity in cup I mean Robbie was a very capable driver like I said I was at the race that he won Unfortunately, we left early because it was the day after Thanksgiving and you're sitting outside in new. Hampshire. And I mean what? What do you expect from me come on? I was like ten years like I was freezing. I still got frostbite in places from that race man but. Now it's just somebody who was able to drive just about anything and everything and win and yeah, it's Travis is one of those guys Robbie's one of those guys like you mentioned Lobe Alonso. Jenson. Button I think I would put on that list as well. I mean Johnson and Fernando over the past couple of years they've just they've kind of been doing the same thing in different executions where they're these f one world champions who are just going out and trying everything and having fun and usually doing fairly well with it You know I. It's just all around wheel interesting list I would think you start talking all around to and I think obviously, he hasn't had A. Good run in certain disciplines. But you know Scott speeds been you know he sent Formula One he's done ashkar he's done Formula E. obviously he's one of the greatest rallycross drivers of all time. I've always thought Scott speeding car would have been fun to see him. You know have a go you know what a top-flight Indycar for a year or two and see what he could do there. But you know you start talking about that and he's he hasn't been really great at any discipline except for rally cross but damn Chris I mean he's he's driven a little bit of everything and been able to be competent at the mall. And he is one of the most driven people that I think I've ever met is well. So you know that that kind of explains it now Scotts another person who you can put in just about everything it's it's why just about every time there's an IRA racing all star event Scott's one of the first call ups because. Because he'll probably at least get you were top five and that's if he's not taking it seriously if he takes it seriously nobody stands a chance. Because he's just going to wipe the floor with them you know you. Have to take it out of his hands entirely because he's that good and that's that's just who he is. You know that that Scott speed personality it's it's it's. It. If you ain't first year last thing minus some of the exaggerations of Talladega nights that's Scott speed isn't a nutshell and most of the guys who we've named off you know. Certainly, the American ones, and they tend to play that up for the most part is well, that's kind of who they are. You know it's winning isn't everything is the only thing you know? So. But but yeah, we do need to get to your number one jim and I'm interested to see you. You've put their well, this is pretty easy. You had him on your list, but I gotta go them, CAPCO? Boys. I. Mean. You know home race in Texas both the all Capco final and I love it when billion Steve or there because you know they talked trash they they love to have bragging rights heading back. You know they've got their private plane, they fly home with and. It's the trash-talk. I'm sure on that plane flight with Momma K and. Billion Stephen Adly. It's gotTa be pretty interesting. Do you have to give a shout out to my boy Steve and and Natalie? His Amazing Wife? WHO's a very good friend of mine she's done a lot for me behind the scenes with show and marketing and stuff, but they are actually pregnant now. So yes, congratulations goes out to the Torrance's on that. So we got a capco baby in the works put. Capco boys on the list Chris I. Mean You know we talk about Steven Billy runs part time in Nhra I think everybody likes billy part-time and charity because of was full time in Nhra. It would mean a lot less TV time for a lot of drivers because billy's that good and obviously they've got a massive business that he has to help run and You know he just does it for fun here and there but you know billy anytime he's there I mean he shows up and it's immediately game on you know everybody knows he's there to play the. It's funny because his part time effort. Scares the crap out of a lot of the full timers. Yeah no doubt I mean it's. And Yeah I've got the congratulations to Stephen Natalie on You know on how on having a kid on the way and yeah, like you said, I mean it's a I. Remember the year Billy Making the playoffs you know on the track despite running part time, which is insane to think about I mean, imagine there been a couple of times that's happened in Nascar I mean Kyle Busch miss a ton of races but and made the playoffs but that's also because he had a broken leg. So that was a little they've But Billy elects to be a part time driver. You know they've got they've got other things going on and is still quick enough to be able to be in the top ten still consistent enough I I think you're I. Think you're spot on or that we are going to. Call, it power rankings we'll be back after this on the general tired under radio show powered by Polaris Razor. From the twenty eighteen master distillers of the year comes from new American whiskey. 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So I'm excited is finally happening. How how is things with you? Though obviously I know obviously, we're falling on social media and things like that. But I know the whole industry we were just talking I'm getting ready to go back to Vegas to reno racing I know it seems like whether four wheels, two wheels, I mean everything kind of came to a standstill. How's how's things been with you the past few months? What's been keeping you busy during this whole I guess Kinda quarantine period and as we're slowly Kinda inch and increasing our way out of it. Yeah. For me. Basically, you're saying the mid four hundred zero street. Is actually the same for me and when all this kind of kicked off I was actually getting ready to go on a seven week in a row race schedule and Kinda just everything got put on home like the whole world did and. since then I've just been actually living at home. For once like we moved up to Bend Oregon about three years ago and between me, and my husband does does the nitro circus live shows? We've all were always kind of in and out or scrambling and get ready for the next trip. So it's been a pretty nice as being at home and actually doing all the things that bent has offered, which you know brought up there in the first place. So. We Did a lot of camping in the springs and we bought A. A Little Honda pit bike and were just making like really fun Santrac out by the campsite and just we did that for like a month and I finally got a chance to go up to Idaho and. CHECK OUT GOLD CREEK launch. and do some writing there. was able to link up with cody web for one of his little events up there and. basically just enjoying some downtime. Really. Kind of filling in with all the the do in the future lists that we had. So. for the most part. Yeah. It's just been kind of staying home and Lincoln up with friends here that are also. stuck a lot of people weren't working so. we're fortunate that in bend. We have so many outdoor spaces that we were able to get out and get a lot of riding in a lot of mountain biking in. And just Kinda. Hang with friends that way out kind of out social distancing as they like to say now but still out doing stuff we love to do. I'm looking I'm Kinda the same way out in Royer. Zona here in Parker and it's like we've got all the space and things aware like people in the metro areas and stuff they were hit really hard like we still on the razors we're out you know in the water we were doing a lot of things we normally did you know and and try and obviously like You said be safe and things like that. But I gotta say like sometimes people that live I don't WanNa say off the grid but out of the Metro areas a bit I think some of us kind of I guess we benefited I don't WanNa say benefited from this, but it allowed us to still continue to do what we normally would do to an extent you know. Yeah totally. It was very nice 'cause. Normally, I miss a lot of the good riding weather at home because I'm traveling to southern California or you know other West, coast. Locations racing and stuff and The dirt in the spring here is amazing and there's a lot of really fun SANTRAC. We have so they will ride a lot near home like I didn't really slow down take a month once racing stopped in terms of writing and You realize how much of your life if you're not traveling and you know racing the stuff we do is pretty social distance and a sense you know we're riding with helmets on and. It's easy to stop you know good ways away from your buddy in chat about something on the trail or. Whatever it may be but I think one of the craziest changes was that I cooked at home for like. Two and a half months like all the restaurants closed due any takeout. Grocery shopping and actually having food in the fridge but once. Yeah. So did you like get an addiction to cooking where you're like what you know are you now like hell without I don't care if I ever cook again or was one of those like I actually enjoy this kind of found a hobby that I like. no I wouldn't say it was a hobby I liked. Figured it out. Just. Because good routine and. Like I knew what I had to buy at the grocery store so I'm not made it easy so Yeah. But it was like you know we did the full quarantine, the six weeks that they wanted us to do, and then even a bit more. So we Yeah, we didn't I don't think. I went out to eat for like, yeah it would be at least eight weeks. Yeah you. Here's a question and I've kind of been like in this internal struggle now right because now I'm getting ready to go back racing here in a week and we got yeezy world championships after that, we got a bunch of events coming up and Krant in and I've got all these places to go and I'm starting to starting to see things and I'm like man like I'm kinda being torn because I went from being on the road like thirty some weekends a year to all of a sudden this year like us like you being at home and like, Wow, I'm at home. This is what my four walls look like and so it's like one of those. kind of liked it a little bit but I still really really miss going out to all the events in racing. So I feel like, are you one of those kind of like me where you're moving forward you know instead of being on the road thirtysomething weekends, maybe we can make it twenty something weekends next year and like it's been a little bit more time and a little bit more. I don't know I'm kind of being torn like I kind of like a little both worlds now you know. Yeah definitely I think I'm just like a creature of habit to if I get in a routine like right now I'm kind of in a routine of being home but the minute I get on the routine of being on the road it's like You know it's like it's hard to break. That takes a little while to be like used to being home for weekends on, and then once you're there, you don't have to think about too much. You're just Kinda like rolling with it, but it's the same when you get on the road race and you just kind of roll with it and you know it just kind of takes its own momentum, and before you know it, you're like eight races you've been gone for eight weekends in a row and but you couldn't think of it way like you WanNa be Wanna be doing anything else. Gosh I got so many questions here. So I kinda WANNA with this. Let's kind of go back to the beginning because I got a bunch of questions on this year and Johnny Campbell, and obviously we got this Tronto Land Pit by challenge to talk about this kind of go back to the start because I. Think you know obviously I think a lot of people close to motocross understand your background and things like. That but let's go back to your child. I want to go all the way back to Puerto Rico and you grow up and and things like that. I mean, you know obviously, you know we know your parents had surf shop you you like crazy good surfer. What was the draw to motorcycles though because a lot of people with that up green bringing obviously would have went to the water I know you're brother's been. A solid surfer, his you you know and things like that like what? What was the draw dirt bikes who got you out of the water and into the dirt? Actually. Like kind of like I obviously growing up surfing. The first thing I really learned to do is in the water since I was a baby but it was really hard in Puerto Rico to be a kid 'cause nobody gave kids waves or respected them, and then being a girl in that community as well as like a double whammy forgetting waves I, always seem to be struggling. So I really took the other sports I played a lot of team sports and I was really into baseball at the time I was playing like boys Little League Baseball. And We'd still like do a bunch of stuff. You know we're always playing in the streets always reiner by schools. One of my friends, my brother's friends had go kart and we would like pool on skateboards behind the go-cart around the neighborhood I really wanted to go kart just anything like motorized. My parents told me I was going to get run over by a car so they opted for a motorcycle instead and the still when I was like playing year round baseball but I KINDA Just got over the the team sport dynamic of always giving one hundred percent and I didn't really feel like my teammates were and I was kinda getting discouraged. So the motorcycle kind of just fit in 'cause something I could do it wasn't like limiting my ability do it by not getting the opportunities which and surfing I wasn't getting the waves to be able to surf as much I wanted to and I just kind of took to the motorcycle my dad picked it up again he's Ride when he was younger around to the sand dunes and the beaches in Florida. So he got really into it and that's kind of all its history after that I guess and we'll be back with a lot more with Tar Geiger when we return here to the general tire down to radio show powered by Polaris. Razor. Dishes the pavement are always changing. 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Thanks for tuning into the down and dirty radio show available live online in syndication on networks across the US and available internationally on the American Forces Network. Welcome back to the general tire down thirty radio show powered by Polaris Razor, with Dr Geiger on the show. So Tara, how's the transition from riding and racing in Puerto Rico to come stateside because I know You've kind of been on record saying and it was it was a little bit different shakeup. 'cause you're very well accepted over there. You come over here and then it was all immediately like well, pump the brakes who is this girl and like you know she's a girl what you know we can't have this happening and I mean how? Efficient because I know and then you came in and you won the red is that Amelia puts on the map anybody in motocross coming up through the ranks you WanNa win it Loretta is. But how is that transition from Puerto Rico here to the US because I know you've said it was wo it was like black and white difference? Yeah it was pretty wild 'cause in Puerto Rico the only girl riding motorcycles at the time. So but I'd grown up doing all my sports as being the only girl doing it and it was never anything my parents discourage I. didn't see anything weird like I don't WanNa play baseball. There's no girls baseball. So I'm playing with the boys I wanNA ride motorcycles there's no girls class 'cause I'm the only one on the island racing. You know that's girl. So when I went up to the states it like whoa girls class like I can raise for just girls. That's cool and then I doing pretty well, I went to the mini O's for the first time. 'cause it was a pretty popular for a lot of people from Puerto Rico to go to. And ended up doing pretty decent because it was very similar to the tracks we had in Puerto Rico is like got gator back it's hard packed clay pretty big jumps, which I never had a problem jumping because I never had somebody telling me Oh girls you know. Girls don't do that. I was raised the boys but I had to do it Kinda thing. And Yeah from there was just like Oh maybe we should do more of this racing in the states because I can actually do pretty well against the girls and I was enjoying the opportunity to race against girls for change. So but racing like the national then you go like amateur nationals and you get like three laps practice and all of a sudden you're racing that was a big change for me 'cause. In, Puerto, Rico. Tracks across the island and we would have a race every month. So for the three weeks leading up to that race, everybody was at that track practicing. So you'd get of laps in before you ever raced this. So the whole three laps. First Time ever saw track was pretty eye opening and just Just, being a race for a week and doing all that kind of stuff was definitely took some time to get used to and Eventually once I graduated high school moved up to Florida and live with my grandmother fulltime and was really able to start working on everything and get a lot more used to racing like that. Well and kind you know I know obviously you came in and and things went did motocross the nation's that really kind of helped put you on the map as well, and then insert two thousand, eight x games rolls around and they you know invite women to compete I mean how big was that for you and and women's Motocross at the time because you you know right out of the box you one but. I think you know women's motocross was growing growing growing, and then all of a sudden boom you get that centerstage ESPN and X. Games that had been huge for for no you in the sport. Yeah. It was really big deal for me because I grew up with Action Sports with Skating and surfing and all those sports are like huge part of my upbringing. So. X. Games is always something that I look forward to watching every summer but never, I, think I participate in a sport that I can make it. You know and be on that stage. So when we got invited, it was like Whoa. This is insane like something was never on my radar is a dream. They came a dream come. True. So it was pretty cool and then. To get that win right off the bat was pretty special because I never got another gold and all the years I raised it but. definitely had a lot of memorable battles between Super Cross and. then enduro across as well. So it took me some pretty crazy places when they had a global x and we got to go to Germany Spain and Brazil So yeah, that was. that. Was An amazing experience and amazing Event to be a part of. What has it been like in your career to because I X. Games kinda helps tell the story a little bit but you know obviously you know you grew up motocross supercross things like that. Then all of a sudden you know what I mean you know with X. Games switch him and you're doing things like enduro cross now we're. Getting ends today where you're doing a lot of off road racing and things like that. But how how is that been? Do you feel like it's been pretty progressive like? It just naturally is kind of you've I don't want to switch disciplines. We're kind of shifted gears and your focus and things like that or or was it really rough because I know talking with Joelene she said man switching endure across was brutal on her she's like I. I still haven't ever figured it out. You know you talk to travel and trap just goes without even want to try you know but you've been really successful with it. You know how how was that shift from Racing Moto and Supercross Two? into endure across. Yeah. That was for sure one of the. Most difficult transitions I think I've ever made but it wasn't like I I totally wanted to do. It was just kind of. All, the cards debt Kinda got thrown in the air and the cards fell as they did that global experts happened in two thousand thirteen at the same time and exports was pretty much getting rid of women's motocross and they went down to a three race like a three round series. So at that time, you know it wasn't I was on truly designs Honda and it was not going to be worth it to them to put in on lunch at work for three rounds. When their whole race team races twenty nine races between supercross and motocross. So That same year two, thousand, thirteen, I got the opportunity to go because I had won a silver medal I think it was a A. X. Games in two, thousand, twelve in the first event of enduro across that they had. So because of that I got invited to Global X.. So I kind of embraced it as like a huge opportunity in that huge change and got a chance to get some support from K. Tim, which you know they're they're the top off road team at the time. So getting a little support from them and. Know kind of having four big rounds of racing for the year with. Kind. Kinda just seem like the thing the better option then three. You know rounds in a motocross series that they seem to be wanting to get rid of anyway. but that whole year was a huge learning curve for me because I did all on my own. got a couple of bikes from K. Tim but other than that it was just the on my own figuring stuff out and pretty much moved to California's Proximate Clinton Hager's place, and just kinda learning every time I got on the track but it was brutal. It was a lot of crashing and a lot of picking my bike up and I got a couple couple of medals that year though so. still to this day I never really figured it out. I felt like The last Xi's we did in Austin I raised had to have a sense for that gold medal and that was probably the best I've ever raced enduro. Cross. So Kinda my pinnacle for that discipline. and I you know got the battle head to head and go back and forth the White Sands? WHO'S The most amazing off road motorcycle racers in the world. Well talking about Li- I. Mean obviously you know you guys I remember that battle and She's just a phenomenal world class talent. I mean, you see what she's been able to do in like the Dacca rally. Now, obviously, you've got your ties with Johnny, Campbell I mean is there been the ever been that in the back of your head like you know I'd like to maybe at some point going try Dakar or something. no definitely not like. Like light offense powers over me, she's big human to and. She's definitely got the talent and the size to handle giant rally by but that's just that's some crazy salaries thing and I give. Props to her because she just Kinda. Did it 'cause she wanted to do it and she's made a huge career out of just taking that chance to try it so you know Kudos to her and she's an amazing enduro racers. Well, it's had the chance to raise a couple six days against her and she's phenomenal but for myself and I never had any. Desire to go try to ride a rally and you know stare towards sand dunes for hundreds and hundreds of miles right Especially on a bike. And I've had this conversation with toby price on the show and tell me and I were talking and it's like you know it's one of those like everybody respects the you know the guys that go out there and cars and and and and finish up front. But I told him on like there's something about a bike I mean, you know driving a car for three, four, thousand miles you make a mistake and yeah, you know you might blow a tire might have a problem something like that. You know unless it's catastrophic but on a bike for that long. Tara I mean Geez it's one small hiccup and you're done it's over on A. Bike like that's so hard to keep that much focus for that many days like two weeks straight like I don't know it's just it's insane to me that you know what I mean that you know what? What you know the motorcycle riders the Doc are able to accomplish. Yeah it just it's so mental to at FRY's your brain like you're in the car, you can almost drift off because if you hit a whole with one, really you still got three wheels that didn't hit it. So you know you probably stay pretty stable but yeah if you hit that one weird whole, I, mean, I've read out at Glamis in Dumont dunes before. There's so many holes. You just don't even see and just from the experience of racing three international sixty and goes on the bike for you know eight eight hours eight and a half hours a day. You just start seeing stuff when you're locked in that long like you had some crazy tunnel vision and. Going that fast through terrain you've never seen. I would not want to do that. So talking about this, and obviously, we'll get into talking about this year and some of these, some of that. But I want Kinda, you know you become one of the faces of of of women's professional motorcycle racing and how's it been because I mean obviously, you talked about women's motocross series kind of folding up and obviously somehow someway you've been able to stitch a career together. You know what I mean you've had to shift and be really fluid with what you competed in and things like that but I mean. It's it's brutally tough on on guys to make a career racing motorcycles but I think it's been doubly toughest on you I. Mean how how to manage that because I feel like you've just been very fluid. Obviously you've got tons of talent, but it's like you've been able to shift gears at the right point in time and kind of switch disciplines in and make changes and surround yourself. With. The right people definitely I think I really couldn't have done it. You Know Red Bull wasn't sticking behind me. As long as they've had. You Know I. Think signed with them in January of two, thousand, six and rowing on like fifteen years of being together. You know it's an incredible company that's supported me in all those transitions, which is amazing on their part and Yeah, that's kind of my goal. Oh how can we make you know sponsors happy and keep them stoked then. You know I definitely think I've taken advantage of the social media side of how sports are going in the sense that red bull kind of been. Okay. With me dabbling and different things as long as I'm out there racing and promoting the company well, and that a lot of other great companies jump on board and got the chance to work with Johnny Campbell and J racing last couple. Of Years and Yeah. It's just been an amazing run and I've just had this desire to keep racing wanted to you know call it quits yet and finding these new disciplines is keeping it motive motivating and fresh, and we've got to take a short commercial break but we'll be back with more tar geiger when we return here to the general tire down thirty radio show powered by Polaris Razor. Whether you're looking for a tire that balances high-performance responsiveness and traction in Wet and light snow conditions, excellent handling and traction and wet and dry conditions or summer performance tired design with a driving enthusiast in mind general tire has you covered from the all new G. Max rs to the grabber at x no matter what you drive general tire will get you where you're going. Learn more at general tire dot COM general tire cruising with the down and dirty radio show since two thousand twelve looking to have some fun on four wheels Dirk Fish Rally school has. 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You know and talking about you know how you've been able to make run at this thing and and you know kind of going back to your motorcross roots and you've got to wear your out today I definitely don't think. I'd still be racing motocross. Still. Just doing it for that long I'd be pretty cooked on it, but just being able to transition into all the different style. I. Didn't D'oro Cross, probably, like four years and then doing the Grand Prix on the West Coast and this year I just started doing the the National Herron how there's just a whole different discipline up desert racing and It's just been a lot of fun and yeah having being on those Honda's it's just a fun ride every day and just been staying motivated and somehow you know sponsors or stoked and. Everybody seems to. Be Happening. I can win races. So yeah, I guess that's probably why haven't slowed down and everybody's kind of like my program. Well, how did that how the conversation real you start with Johnny I mean I and how's that been for you because I know Johnny pretty well, and I can have a conversation with him and I just feel like I walk away being a smarter racecar driver just. He just oozes information and he doesn't even realize it I it. He's one of those guys like I want them around. You always have your ears open because you never quite know what you're going to pick up and learn. But how did that conversation started? I mean you know it how's it been because? I mean. To me I mean I put him on my mount. Rushmore. Of Professional Motorcycle Racers in history like he's that good. You know I was that been for you just being surrounded in that atmosphere. You know it actually like we've been working together our relationship goes back quite a ways I'd say because like I was telling you and two, thousand twelve was on the. Toilet Designs Honda team, and then thirteen fourteen I did K. Tim little support program. just for Enduro Cross and everything like that but going into fifteen I kind of wanted to get back on a Honda. And do enduro across that way at that time they had caught and Hager on their team I'm Jay Sarah race, Colton hatred running for them. So actually take up a couple of Honda's from American Honda and I was just kind of picking the ear of their mechanic Eric Pherson at the time I went up to their shopping Marietta there and Basically it was just asking them. You know what's the setup for Girl Awesome Shawny came in. He's like how about we just prep your race bikes for you and You know if we have products, you mean, you're welcome to them and. That's kind of how relationship was for say up until last year it was kind of like he knew that I had my own sponsors that you know I get paid from and My deal was gonNA work out better kind of doing it on my own but they were there to help me and at the Andro across races like Eric was you know all the help I needed. He was helping me there too so. It kind of went like that for a few years and. Coming into last year I was like you know, Johnny you've been so much health kinda just WanNa to be fully on the program. If that's cool with you run your sponsors let's win the championship 'cause I was going for the National Grand. Prix Championship Ama. Number one play I was like let's just go for this together. He was like one hundred percent. Let's do it and that's kind of how it up on the team officially but he's been helping me out for like the last five years I think, yes it has generated any kind of IDs at some point you did the mint and they ran out a little bit different format. To but to jump into some of the longer distance like boss stuff and things like that Johnny's been. So successful with in the past. No, I don't think I wanna do that stuff like I come from a track racing background like I like to know where I'm going and like the Grand Prix are very much. You know it's a long off road race, but for the most part. It's you know kind of what's coming up and herring hounds are a little bit different but. I really liked the more technical side of the Herron Ha. not so much the fast like wide open in the desert so. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't really enjoy. The long. Rally style or Baja style stuff I tell you what I watched like old helicopter footage of Johnny down in Baja racing the thousand and going one hundred, thirty miles an hour down the beach and things like that and I look at that I'm just like this guy's nuts like I mean he is. So ridiculously like it's like artwork watching him. So graceful, it's like dancing on a motorcycle and it's like you watch helicopter footage and just like man this is like he's such another planet. Good. You know back in his back in his prime you know it was like nuts. Yeah. So I, look at the end to be. Yeah Yeah. That'd be pretty precise on those bikes he was writing to. Stay wild and even did it on the machines he was on. And heavy bikes man there's all extra six fifties and stuff like that. I mean it was just us things were rowdy. But Shifting gears say I want to go back. There's a couple of things obviously kind of come into present day here in a minute but I wanna I wanNA go back because I've had this had a similar conversation with Joe Lean and I wanted to and she's always tip the cap to you and said well, Tara was I actually but I wanNA go back to two TPS house like circa decade ago a and talk about back flipping because technically Jelena's says you're the first person first female to ever backflip dirt bike obviously she did it on the big bike but take us through that because I know there was A. At what invited a few of you. A few female motocross riders out to try this right and you're the only one they actually kinda stopped one on the smaller bike. How did that all work because I know there's some funny videos in nitrous circus plays every once in a while up on youtube and things like that of the whole process. But of takes us back to their and how did that Conversation Start It was actually when I was on I believe I was on the team. Yamaha team with Sarah Whitmore at the time. So we were traveling around. The country with our dads and our campers and that steel city and Travis came up from Maryland to hang out for the day with sitting around because they're good friends. I. Go back a long time and. he kind of that's why I met him for the first time ever So that would've been you know beginning of September still city when the final round of a national. Ama Nationals and Yes. You weeks later I had flown back to Puerto Rico and Travis calls me up. He's like I WANNA fly you up to Maryland and I want you in. Sarah's to go head to head in a backflip dual. See who can learn a backflip I and you know I'm just this kid from Puerto Rico. That races women's motocross and Travis Pastrana calling the up to go backflips at his house, and he was obviously that was when foam pits or new. So he was like one of the only people that and you know he was pioneering the backflip and getting a ton of people learn. So of course, I said, yes and we get up there and he has all these ways. WE'RE GONNA learn plan like. I we started indoor pool which turned out was not really helpful he just wanted to became. Part. Was Pretty funny but There were trying gators pool off his diving board and then backflip in a bicycle into small phone kit, and then finally going into the big foam pit on the mini bikes to then go to big bikes. But when I got on the big bike this is one of the things in the footage and I didn't get flipped at all off the little like quarter pipe against A. Foam. Fit. And when I came down, they said just don't ever let go of the bike because then the bikes gonna can land on you sorta held on bikes but the handlebars came through my helmet and hit in the face and gave me like a huge bloody nose. So that was like me buried in the foam pit while fueled pouring on me with a bloody nose and Travis shelvin camera in my face asking me how I felt and what went wrong and I was like I. Don't know but gases porn on me the blood right now please like just stop filming. At that point? He thought that it was all over and done but I up the next morning and I was like, Whoa, gotTa good on the little bike. So I WANNA at least land that to dirt and pretty much I was like just set up the ramp that I'm gonNA use a foam pit and set up the distance and I. Did it like five times like just go then I'll set up the ramp, the dirt I'm going to look at it 'cause. Doing backflips like ninety percent mental. You just got to remind yourself just keep looking back and like the bikes gonNA come around so had them just set it up and I just came around like make sure the cameras are filming. He's GonNa, come around and do it, and that's pretty much what I did that. Then he like wanted me to come back to do it on big bikes and everything, and at this point he met Joe. Lean, through Sarah. And also Jones brother Billy and He wanted me to come back but I was like you know headstrong focused on racing and that's all I wanna do all these racing goals and women's. kind of taken off. So I don't really want and part of the freestyle aspect but. Joann was all about it and her and her brother went and they stopped the few backflips and. The rest of the sisters for them, they're still part you know they took nitro super far with join doing the TV show and now her brothers One of the main guys on the natural live torch will hind the scenes stuff so. But yeah. So that's Kinda how I ended up there and my friendship at Travis. It still going I still ended up there at strong land with bad ideas. And a few injuries here there from the play. Is there any good ideas come out of there because I know trav-. I invited back there at least no short of three times a year and I haven't made it back there yet because I've always got something going, but it's like. The things that he text me that he wants to try it I'm just like. It's got me kind of scared to go back there and show up because I'm like at some point I know I'm GonNa get into positions I probably don't want to be in and doing things I probably shouldn't be doing you know yeah, he's a great salesman and Travis confidences you. You're pretty sure you have. You have the skill. You've got to have confidence in yourself again maybe you shouldn't even thinking about the opportunity that he can. Well that'd be it said, we do have to talk I know. It's the pit by Pastrana Land Pitt by challenge I don't if I'm getting the name officially right but I know derozan ESPN two fifteenth of the month the Youtube Clip I think it's about thirty to sixty seconds long the teaser that they're airing I gotta tell, Ya Tar, this track looks insane. It looks like hell of a lot of fun to yeah looks. Fun But assure you that it was terrifying. It's definitely a terrifying track and it's basically If, you took like old style X. Games, freestyle course, but then made it some sort of morbid tip bike track I feel like it's it's something like that like it's nuts the jumps and things we had to do on the little bikes it's It's pretty amazing. So it was really fun but also terrifying. I know looking at the footage and Mike. It looked like it might have been a lot of fun if you have the track to yourself, but it looked like they crammed literally as many of you onto the course as you possibly could at one time and that's Just like it was like chaos at least from the sixty second clip I've seen like I'm really excited to see the full race because I think it's going to be entertaining. Let's to say the least. Yeah definitely. It was a we had twenty two riders and I think, yes. So you're twenty two writers and I think the final ten, I think we did ten person races. So, there's a lot of racing a lot of like people going down a lot of good crashed, but it's all like All Writing Stock Kale one tens all provided with the same exact. It took the the frustrating part of pit bike racing out of it I. Think because a lot of people like you can show up and you basically have a super mini. In a pit bike you know you have a a one forty, four motor inside a pit bike, and that time you know you can jump eight feet on one of those things. But you put a stock motor meant for a sixty pound kid to ride around and knock jump and make us jump like thirty foot bouterse. Definitely wild. Well here's a question. You know as we a kind of get towards wrapping this thing up but I know there's been a lot of. A lot of women a Lotta well motocross riders just general. Joining obviously, she's gone done some stuffing UTV's and done some racing with me and Sarah prices know gone full into the deep end of UTV's and things like that. Benny interesting you on switching to four wheels maybe doing a little bit of Utd stuff or or some offer stuff with four wheels. I haven't really had a ton of interest in it just I think like the physical aspect of. The two wheel stuff more I really like pushing my body for no reason and torturing myself to get in shape and be physically prepared. and that's kind of one of the things that motivates me. To do that kind of stuff is. Is being just extra like being more in shape than the other person knowing I can go further or you know I can take pain for longer and I just know that maybe not necessarily the case when you're. Sitting in a seat. You know holding onto the steering wheel but. I've never really driven to many ut news so. I can't say whether I would really like it or not but the motivation to get into, it's just not there like I have for the two wheel side of racing car. It has been an absolute pleasure having you on the show those either want more from Tara Geiger. 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#447 - Casey Currie & Dakar

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I mean what all the gymkhana from three four would have been with four. I mean ford and ken block. I mean that's they've been together like peanut butter and jelly like salt and pepper. I mean this is. This is crazy at one point. Ken block was ranked one of what the top five automotive influencers in the world and that was a large part because relationship with ford. I mean he helped build. Ford ford help build him not that ford needed built. They've been around for over one hundred years. But you know what i mean like. It's it's pretty damn crazy to to to hear that kim block and ford or parting ways. I mean i'm still kind of dumbfounded at it. The a lot of people going is gonna go back to subaru. Is going to go back to subaru. Jim gymkhana was subaru. Jim connie coming into that often. Hooligan division hooligan. You can do whatever they want you know. Obviously he's an owner and again but it's they're separated so i don't think that was a straw broke the camel's back whatsoever. But can you gotta realize canes good friend of mine you know. But he's he's in his fifties now like he doesn't need to race on the global scale and continue to do it. He's got a family. He's got a wife he's got kids they're growing up. His kids are starting to race like he stepped away just because he wants to spend more time at home and not be on the road forty weekends a year and forty weeks a year. Spent more time you know killing it with his family and things like that. You know You know i you know camping. He's got he's got all his. Utv's stuff like that like you know. This guy is You know he founded dc shoes drawers before that and then dc shoes you kinda kinda became dc shoes. He built a company sold. That off then became almost kind of accident. One of the biggest automotive influencers in the world You know and he's got this major company there and you know it's really remarkable what he's built and what he's been able to accomplish and what he's done and you know maybe he just didn't want the demands of such a heavy contract with ford and now ford. Yeah i'm sure they're demanding on him but i'm sure they pay him a lot of money as well. So maybe it's mutual maybe block said. Hey look i'm still gonna drive your product. I'm gonna have a lot of fun Who knows maybe you're gonna see me in some kind of crazy exotic car. Something like that but You know let's put pump the breaks here you know and There's times in guys step away from manufacturing and they come back and things like that. You know it's It's you know it's it's really a you know there's a lot there and like i said kenny's accomplished everything. He could ever dream of accomplishing. I think You know we definitely definitely Could see him back at some point With ford at some point. But you know that leads me to you know. What are we going to see can do this year. Obviously he's got some crazy cars in his collection. He's got some amazing race cars You know he's got a media empire. What are we going to see. Kim blocked you this year. What are we going to see him. That we behind the wheel of you know. I know he's put in his thing. Like hey i'm a free agent. I can drive whatever i want. Now kim block being able to drive whatever he wants. Man that's That's pretty damn interesting. You know like. I said before exotic cars off road trucks. You know formula cars like hot rods. You know domestic imports. Whatever like kim can drive anything in the world like throw by the wheel of a ferrari f one car throw mine the wheel of a bugatti. You know like. I'm looking at things like that gone man. This could get interesting for fans it block. I definitely think at some point. It's time to get can back on this show. You know he helped you know. He's helped his show over the last ten years Tenfold and i gotta tell you you know having him back on the show at some point. That is definitely on my list of things to do this year. That is definitely for certain so Yeah so that is the biggest news coming out of motor sport. You know Just wow like wow. I did not see that coming this week. Literally i've got friends closest situation. Nobody has said anything in regards to this at all. You know. I eight ninety one like you know hinting. Nothing like really caught off guard. Maybe my head's been in the san. But wow just wow you know but Yeah kim block man. We wish him all the best Massive fan great friend of mine and You know. I'm sure we definitely are gonna see ken. Block ramp things up once again. I mean Gosh what accomplished and for the industry the race industry The action motor sports industry It's just been phenomenal. So kim block party ways with four. That's kinda the lead story you know in addition to dakar right now. Obviously we got chili bowl. Coming up supercross other back in action as well interesting thing about supercross you're moving to their online streaming for platform called peacock from nbc sports. I guess nbc. Sports owns peacock. Never even heard a peacock until the announcement so to look into what peacock is but Yes i guess. Supercross is back and if you're a streamer and you watch online you're gonna have to go to peacock yeah so yeah this too damn any streaming platforms. Let's just put it that way you away from You know having to have this two hundred dollar cable bill so everybody cut the cord like oh. We're just going to netflix. And hulu have you looked around like i got netflix. I got who alive. Disney plus like i got all these streaming platforms bills the same as it was with cable. Like what the hell. Let's just go back to evans direct. Tv almost easier at this point. Like i dunno it's crazy. We got all these apps and so yeah we. We'll jump into that later on the show. I'm sure i got rant built up somewhere to talk about that But yes supercross if you are a streamer beware it is moving platforms for twenty twenty one. But we're gonna have chris only on the show when we come back after this break. So we'll return here to the general tired out entity radio show powered by polaris razor. Your life demands attire that provides durability comfort and performance. And that's what general tire delivers for you from the all season grip of the grabber you. Hp to the comfort and on road. Manners grabber ats to the durability and offer attraction of grabber to general has tire. That will help. Get you where you need to go. So let us take you on your next big adventure tweet us at general tire hashtag anywheres possible because with general tire anywhere is possible. Just shred your way through any off-road rugged terrain get into gear. Gsp tv and let us redefine your adventure. 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One is a little less chaotic than twenty twenty. Did you see the mean floating around. I probably ought to send it to you. But it's it's it's basically it's It's the joker from from the movie that just came out and he's standing on the stairs and there's the clown from it and jokers pointing at something. It's basically saying this is twenty twenty sean. Twenty twenty one around the office. It's actually quite comedic. Is the best team. I've seen so far. I think in regards to this. So let's hope that's not no truth but it was. Actually it was. It was pretty. Well done a boy. Yeah here's here's hoping especially in the motorsports world so we don't have to change schedules a million times again. I know a couple of theories of already had to do it And let's let's just hope that we're able to get his smooth and straightforward of the year as we possibly can. Yeah and you know. And that's actually wanting a long beach move into. I believe it's september. Saint pete just got pushed back in saint. Pete is now going to be like a month later. I believe in. It's not going to be the opener for indycar. But i kind of feel bad. Where whereas nascar they run on tracks you know. That are pre existing. Nhra they're going to facilities pre existing road short courses pre existing facilities offroad. It's out in the desert where it's it's away from people right I really feel bad. Because it's an accomplishment. Any did last year and they're already trying to set things up. But you know them running on these road courses not road courses but i mean street tracks. That's tough because that takes multiple weeks of infrastructure to put in to run an event you know. And obviously you've got people around spectators around. I out of anybody out of everybody in motor sport. Indycar i think has been hit hardest and has had the biggest logistical challenges to make racing. Happen chris no doubt. And i mean yeah you can. You can imagine the logistical challenges regardless of any series. But like you said having to move street. Events around is probably the biggest endeavor that you could possibly imagine. I mean you know if you've only got a handful of them in indycar but thus far you out of the first two that have had to change their day. I've been street courses. I mean if you have a permanent facility whether it's velour road course you have to move those dates around. Yeah you're going to have to change your staffing. Yeah you're going to have to you know. But depending upon where you're street courses located depending upon refusing airport if you using actual city streets you're packing businesses. You're impacting people's can you. I mean it is a logistical headache. The likes of which. I would hope to never ever have to deal with so kudos everybody who is having this sort that out you know from the indycar side from the teams side from the community sides because god knows the effort that they've put into Make that happen. Yeah for sure. So i know obviously Supercross getting ready to get kicked off in a couple of weeks. Get what chili bowl. Got a legacy race going on parker four. Twenty five actually I'm looking at this chris going. You know this was going to be talking. Dakar rally today. Which is what we are. But i'm mike. Chris we're kinda like maybe one week away from one to two weeks away from starting power rankings. Which is kind of a scary thought. Well i don't know it's it's nice to be busy right. It's actually be paying attention to this. I mean we had to spend one month last year where we couldn't do power rankings at all because we had nothing to talk about. We talk or stirring that we've talked some grow invitatinal things but you know it wasn't sometimes it was hard attract out and obviously within the sport space. We know that things just pop up left right and center and it can be hard to keep track of. It can be hard to judge quality of fields. When you've got you know so many events going on that aren't necessarily sanctioned by a major real world sanctioning body. I it just. It goes all over the place and You know now. Yeah we're getting. We're getting into an orderly year title. Like what we had at the beginning. We know dot car you know runs at this time of year. We know cross about the kickoff off. We know the parker events addition of legacy event which is cool to see as well. I'm looking forward to seeing how that goes you know so. Yeah there's there's a lot of stuff going on. I mean you know. The the december break you know was a nice little bit of time to refresh but I think i'm kinda laying off the gap. I that after a week where my hair was basically on fire. Twenty four seven but i was trying to go out to be doing stuff again instead of just laying around in that twilight zone. That is the final week in the year between christmas and new year's just sitting around doing nothing. Yeah it was definitely well. It's definitely a weird holiday for me just for for multiple reasons but they were gonna get into but yeah this i feel like christmas was almost stolen from people this year in a way like i just feel like you know with covert and everything else and like. I don't know the holidays didn't seem like the holidays to me. I just felt like we as as as humans like we had christmas. Stolen this year. If that makes any sense they got it just to me. I'm hoping i love the holidays. I love christmas. Hoping twenty twenty one gets back to some semblance of normalcy For many reasons but one of them being christmas now it'd be nice to have normal holidays again instead of uh staying six feet away from family members to just basically trade off gifts and then say see you later But you know it's just it's tough. It's the world that we live in right now. We have to all make the most responsible choices that we can say. People have really taken that to heart and others are still trying to figure out how to take that to heart but the quicker that we all do the quicker. We all get back to normal And the quicker. We're all getting back to big racing events together and you know being able to hang out of the bars after the race without having to wear masks and being able to hang out in the without having to keep away from people. It's it's what we all want. But you know we. It takes for discipline just to get to the major levels of motor sports. So you know it's gonna take here too. So here's here's hoping that we have a better year and then we have to deal with less than that this year. Well and you know. I know you and i. We're going to get to dakar rally here in a little bit. But i do want to mention on the east sports front. We talked a little bit about east sporty. Nascar's coming up You know we're we're only a few weeks out from From the i racing nascar coca cola series launching and which is kind of one of the premier series on i racing say the premier series that in portion but You know it's world championship level. Anyway we had drafted. Chris and i know we on the jim beaver sports. I put out a little video. But excited with our signings. Very excited for mr king cook and mr michael guest to be joining the roster couple of veterans in I know it's got me pretty excited for sports program. This year. chris yeah he got a couple of good ones there and there's a lot of announcements did still coming out. I mean free agency in that series is always not. We've seen it over the past couple of years. Some of the big signings and some of the domino's that end up falling You know right as of us recording this everything is still pretty wide open. I know that i've been refreshing. Just in the lows twitter page over. You know repeatedly over the past couple of actually. I'm going to do that again right now. We'll see if we is anything. I've had his His doc his live document up that he's been posting the signings and stuff like that and know. There's only a couple of teams that have announced. And i know there's a lot of teams that have drivers inked But it sounds like everybody's kind of holding off on their announcements We're one of the first ones the punch a video rollout and everything else. So i was. I was excited with that. So yeah i don't know it's i compare e nascar free agency to the movie draft day with what is it. Kevin costner is that Who's in draft day phenomenal movie. It's it's literally like that. You know. I know between you me matt and brittany. I'm sitting there on on calls. I'm paying you for information. We got matt developing video. Got britney doing contracts. i'm like holy crap. This is literally. I felt like kevin costner for. I'm like this is nuts. If we were all in the same room next year if kobe allows us to i swear we it would look just like that movie tweet. That we need steve kornacki. You know the msnbc guy for the election hidden with a big board the same way that he was doing on sunday night football for a while that was a nice little integration more on nbc by the way Very it's always fun to have the trackers like that but now there are a lot of announcements. That just haven't haven't come out gotten won't probably be out until maybe even the next few weeks but you know there that free agency is a flurry Monday the eleventh. At the end of the night everybody either needs to be signed or you know may Or who knows what happens if you're not but That's that's kind of how that goes so. It's you only have about five days to get it done. So i know you're excited to be done with it after day. One so It it's gonna be really exciting after season. Obviously there's a ton of stuff going on in the racing world this year with world championships with. I know you've got a couple of guys in the five hundred that's running this weekend on and on there's it was such a big year for sports last year and it'll be another big year. I'm sure this year So really Really excited to see what's coming. And i know you got up your sleeve that you don't want to say right now so We get some of this stuff like that you know. We get some blockbusters open get them out this week but looks like going to be pushed back a week or so but Yeah we definitely have some blockbuster announcements Coming up our sleeve. And you know. I know we got to take a short commercial break chris. You know and then we'll get into talking some car. But i do do wanna mention. I mean You know nascar. I'm looking at this. Got bit humbling. You know here here. We've got jimmy sports team. you know. obviously you've been a massive part of that program. And i i feel like yo you're part owner of the team whether whether your names on it or not but i'm looking at it going man. We're up against teams like mclaren. You know what. I'm like mcclair. Its most iconic brands in the world. That like there any nascar. And i'm like one. It's kinda exciting for me but to that is really big for for i racing. I mean to have teams of that pedigree. You know dale earnhardt. Jr. fenway align on the platform of this massive chris. Oh no doubt that mclaren shadow come in elliott. Sadler one of only. I think it's about thirty something drivers who won all three national series. Both of those huge names in racing. But then you have space station gaining accent dating both of those come in You know as as proper each sports teams you know that are jumping in away from 'em os and heading into nascar. I mean that that makes a statement you know to have real proper globally recognized. Sports teams like that decided to step in. So you know. I really strong fleet of new organizations. So it'll be it'll be very very exciting to seasoning sponsors. That come in where drivers end up. You know that's always an exciting season so looking forward to seeing how that plays out. You're not both and we're gonna talk some dacca rally but before that we're going to take a short commercial break here on the general tire down thirty radio powered by polaris razor rider. Jim beaver irish trophy. Trucks professionally hosted down and dirty radio show and also travel the country announcing motorsports events. I've seen it all and trust me. I've done most of it so when it comes time to relax on the weekend. 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The bag episodes of the down and dirty radio show on apple podcast and be sure to rate review and subscribe welcome back to the general tire down. Radio show powered by polaris razor. Chris leoni and i were here. Just catching up Been been a while over the holidays. I episode back. We've got it's going to be a fun show today but the first show the years always kind of a bit of a catch up Show but Yeah chris i guess we should talk because we do have one major motorsport going on. Currently i know obviously. You've got legacy par-four twenty-five chili bowl. Twenty four hours daytona supercross got a lot of stuff coming up here very very soon by right now the biggest baddest off road race in the entire world is going on. We got a ton of americans competing in it. I know you have been watching a little bit. Closer i have. I've been watching a lot of my teammates. Do battle over there. Chris but we got the dakar rally going on man and matt. It's it's my favorite is then to just to follow every year. Jim i mean you know the the drivers that come out for it. Obviously you have names like cargo science in the car class. You know you've got seduction. Lobe is back in that class But you've got big names especially american big names in the motorcycle ricky gray back defending his title scour house briefly leading a. But then you've got a you've got the fsp's as they call them over there the lightweight vehicles and they've split classes on that and you got second terro just dominating t three and you've got off and jones looking to pick up where casey curry luck often t four for the overall win in the way vehicles. It's just such an interesting mix you know. Seeing some of the different drivers have show every year. Matiz extras running it this year. Wayne kristen not also running this year. I mean chris. Mueller the former. Wrc drivers at this year. It's it's one of those events where you just take big names promoter sport and you just kind of throw them together in a blender of the some of the most talented drivers across any racing discipline when you send them out in the desert for two weeks and see if they can find their way back and you know to me that's the deck aren't nutshell. That's one of my favorite events for that reason. Yeah you know. And i think you know talking with carey and we're going to get to that interview on the show later on and i'll do a little teaser. But he talks a lot about docker. Obviously he's not there and a lot of it is You know personal reasons. Things like that family cova things like that and he just wanted to take a year off. I get it but you know chris. I mean the preparation that goes into running back. I mean there's nothing like it even you know. Even you know you talk about the indy. Five hundred and i would say that's probably one of the biggest time commitments That nepal one thousand probably in north america but any five hundred a month long. You know what i mean and it's got You know the gp but as soon as gp's over you've got you know setups for qualifying and and you know and things like that. I mean qualifying weekend. It's multi weekend thing but even that pales into comparison of what goes into the rally. I mean it's months and months and almost a year preparation beforehand. And then get over there. And i mean it's fourteen races back to back. I mean and these aren't short. You know we're talking sometimes five six hundred kilometer stages that would be the equivalent of running like you know if fourteen straight three hundred mile indy. Five hundreds you know what i mean like i. It's crazy. what goes into that race to even get to the finish line more or less win. No doubt. I mean you're you're putting in all sorts of work to make sure that those vehicles survive and you know irony of all ironies often comes where drivers or riders. They'll put in all this work put in thousands of miles thousands of kilometers in their vehicles. And then they'll get out after a few stages and the whole thing just goes to put you know but you've got people training another navigation rallies other rally rates you've got people trying to head out in the dunes and simulate the type of conditions they're going to be and you know all sorts of other times of the year and all sorts of other locations around the world. It's there's nothing that compares to it there really. Isn't you know like you said i mean. Yeah you see. You're running back to back to back to back to back. And were recording this on friday just to stayed six wrapped up so the drivers and riders actually are on arrestee right now and so they're going to finally get to recuperate a little bit for the journey back To finish off the next week but now it's it's a commitment that you have to be incredibly single-minded in you know you have to be incredibly resolute. It's the words don't exist in the english language. For what you need. What what properties you need to possess excel as an event like that and sold them. Probably go down to per se out As assumes for crazy. But i know but that's why we have events like this. They are the ultimate test of humans and the ultimate test of raising machine. Yeah well let's go down the list mean. I'm looking at some of the american results through through stage five. I know you've got more. The overall results i do want to chime in on you know a few things i key on the ut division. I chris because You know obviously we've got a lot of good friends of the show pass gas on here. Kristen matlock She ended up having a problem off of a a couple of stages back. She was actually doing very very well. ended up I guess smash the front of her. Polaris ended up happening. That thing towed into service basically. She's a n. after allowing her to finish the rally in what they call the experienced class where it's basically just clicking off miles and and learning for for the next year so kristen still Continuing to plug along her husband wayne. is currently sitting nineteenth overall So he's he's had some troubles. He's about four hours back but he's still in it american aj jones east currently sitting third overall. And we're talking. Svu tv then you know then looking at the lightweight. Utv's you mentioned seth container just lighting the world on fire. Mitch guthrie had some problems. You sit in ten zero wrong class. I mean talk us through some storylines in ut farkas and actually we are starting to get some of the stage. Six results rolling in as we're recording and I do need to start with south. Because seth terro is the. Utd driver who is making history this event he already made history and one of the first stages of the event when he won the t three class became the youngest winner ever but stage six actually just he is now becoming the youngest overall cla- stage winner ever because he talks both of the utd classes he talked. Both p three lightweight prototype for us On that stage six going into the rest day so that is some incredible momentum and there's a matter of fact it was like salako lopez had some trouble so sad is now third overall and often joe. There's no second overall so. With between the two lightweight vehicle divisions we have an american who might be wearing them and we got to americans on the overall boaty. Which says a lot about what america's is doing for you. Tv's you know around the world. And i think is frankly a fair reflection of what's been developed over here and the house that's been developed over here as well You know so you also was really been hired of the shining star with often jones. Right up there with him. Mitch dot three had some struggles on the very first stage. And that's why he's been behind the dais ever since he's been right up there ever since but he very much start the event on the back foot and so he's been struggling because of that You know as you mentioned kristen. That had the issue. I believe on stage two which was unfortunate but has been reasonably competitive in the stage. Time since then again as you mentioned Just part of the experience across so won't be registered as an overall finisher but you know for all intents and purposes is continuing to keep the pace that she had you know way not walk is still Eligible for the overall because he hasn't had a staged yeah not yet and right there solidly in the middle of the pack among the top. Ten of the rookies certainly You know so it's been. It's been really exciting. What we've seen particularly from the american racers in the two lightweight vehicle crosses Again you have chileka lopez who has been a very strong throughout and just seems to have had some issues. Today erin does all from poland. Another one who has been very competitive. You had a couple of drivers Soleil all safe from saudi arabia who has excelled a little bit khalifa. Who is not serology. Is i believe Younger brother Qatari you know who is also done well With some of the stages run up front has really been coming on strong a lot of big names and a lot of names that you might primarily identify with that car but i think it would be fun to see them. Come over and run the in to run the baja some of them have done it before and have done very well so we'll be exciting to see if that ends up happening especially if we do have local americans on the utd podiums. So all that said. Chris i know Obviously kind of gave us the rundown. I do want to chime in to. What are the americans doing really really well early on was andrew short. This is a little bit of a political issue. i think but He's out of the rally due to contaminate a fuel having a great run with the factory. Yamaha program i guess pulled into the mid way pit at some point You know they they feel them up. I guess i guess the organization handles all the fuel and things like that took fuel on what four kilometers engines shut off sound like it was basically contaminated fuel. It was mixed water and gas and basically the engine run a lot of people called for the stage to be scrapped others a few others the got it mixed and not as bad as hand they were able to continue on but his engine was done. They had to withdraw from the rally due to that. No no fault of their own. A lot of people are thinking that if that would have been a different nationality writer us gauge would have been scrapped will continue on but Because he was an american You know they're basically saying that Yeah he he basically just told sorry no fault of ours later by and i go back to the robby gordon years and i know the aso doesn't always play favorites with the americans. I don't know what's your take on this thing increase. Well i'll say this every year at the dakar. We got stories that you couldn't make if you trial trial the bikes and other great example. Kevin vitas wins the stage and takes the overall lead on the same day that he breaks his nose. You know when it comes to the dakar. Expect the unexpected. But you're never going to be able to predict it's obviously any time that you're an organizer and you know. Obviously i think i've spent more time on the organizational side of things in motor sport from an event standpoint than the team standpoint. You know you end up dealing with feedback. That's not great and you end up sometimes having to own decisions that you regret and decisions. That weren't right. I mean anytime that you have a competitive racer like andrew short Who has to withdraw from the rally. Fru something that's no fault of his own through something. That was the responsibility whether you want to call or not. If the organizers You know that is that is a difficult situation. andrew short is far from the only racer who i think has had Disagreements of opinion maybe with the this year's sebastien loeb has maybe been shot more vocal about some disagreements that he had about some navigation issues and some penalties assigned to him This is a part of. The event is a part of the event that always steaks. And there's always the difficult to try and mitigate and you hate to admit When somebody makes the wrong decision but yeah if you have multiple racers that are getting contaminated fuel and you. Have you know multiple people being affected by it. I i think ever short was may have been the only withdrawal but not in the west. Yes you do have to make a consideration. I think to adjust the timing of the stage. We saw issues with tps onstage five. Carlos signed comparative mortgage inkatha than a rally raid because a lot of people were getting lost stage. Six as a result was actually shortened by about one hundred kilometers. So it is. The kind of thing that organizers can do and will do so you know unfortunately now you do have people wondering okay. Well why did you make the change today And you didn't do anything few years ago. you can't be a moving target on all days you can't change the rules of you know in the playing field on all these because at that point everybody loses complete faith in the event but yeah certainly something that i hope was very strongly considered before they decided not to do it rather than just kind of brushed off and well. I haven't really heard any reasoning myself as to why they chose not scrap the stage from that point. I would hope that. I would hope that it's out there and i just haven't seen it and i would hope that there is a very good and very strong reason behind it. All right chris we will. We'll see you next time and we're gonna take commercial break. 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Performance dot com get more power and more like what you hear all the bag episodes of the down and dirty radio show on apple podcast and be sure to rate review and subscribe welcome back to the general tire down and dirty radio powered by. Polaris razor. i would like to welcome the man of the week my new. Polaris razor teammate. Mr casey curry casey. Welcome to the show buddy. Thank you so much for having me on it's been a while. I'm trying to think back we. We've had you on a few times over. The years wants after you won the world championship at cran. And i think we've had you on air since then at one point. But it's been a while. And i gotta tell you you've had a lot happened last couple of years. Yeah it's It's been a crazy run. I'm You know with the decisions that we had well the decisions we've done over the years with the switching up the racing and going and trying different things going and doing rally Yeah it's been. It's been a wild adventure to say the least. Yeah i do want to talk about this players razor thing. We'll get to that in a minute. But i feel like there's so much gap between in your career at least on the show and things like that because i wanna talk like you've been one of the few and i know there's a few in the industry that consistently they evolve and they change things up and i feel like you've always kind of been one where you're always looking. What's next what's gonna be the next big thing. Where where can i go to improve my program to to help my sponsors. Let's deliver value. Let's go places where nobody else has been. And you know and try and create a stir over there. And i feel like you've been pretty successful with that man i Yeah i mean. I think it's you know obviously with with Risk comes reward and But at the same time vice versa. Right sometimes you take the risk and and there's no reward at all and your ten steps backwards. And i feel like that's of how my my racing kind of gone you know. I don't want to do the same thing. I don't want to raise the same races and you know we're we're all reaching for the same hot and for me. It's all it's about looking for you know bluish and rather than trying to fight that red ocean of Going out to the same money you know pitching the same concept everybody else. Well let's go back to because you know you'd mentioned that i mean you had a highly successful short-course program. I know you won the world championship there at and i mean you know you're you're at the top of the game when it came to short course said a lot of people you know i would have gone from pro-life up to say a pro to something along the lines and you know at one point you just kind of pump the brakes on the whole short course thing and and obviously you know. In retrospect you're probably the smartest guy in the whole industry at this point. But you i mean you haven't the brakes on that completely shifted gears. I mean let's go back a few years to win. That happened because here you are at your top of your game and you just pump the brakes on that completely. I mean what was it that you saw that you were like. Hey we need to shift gears wind to go someplace else. Because i mean you foresaw something that not a lot of other people did. My thing was i went. We won a championship. I won a couple of world championships. You know we won a lottery says and we were very blessed to have the partners were and you know for me when i started seeing the way that the series and the sanctioning bodies iran. I you know. I truly wasn't a fan of what we saw on. You know for me now. I look at it. Was the biggest blessing ever that you know instead of sitting there and talking crap and wanting to be negative nancy you know i just made the decision to go in and take that opportunity and try something new so you know when it came time. There's a couple of partners that i had that i'm i. I remember crystal clear going like talking to some to some sponsors gone these decisions i wanna make and if you don't like it i'm going somewhere else and and literally they were telling me. Oh it's going to be into your career and and now you know it's basically been five years since. I made that decision that now. Those some of those partners are asking me for for me back. Oh we wanna work with the again. It's like man it's crazy. How five years ago. It was the biggest idiot in the world and the positions. I'm gonna make are gonna put me in the gutter and and take me at a racing and you know i feel that really with everything going on in the world. Shortcourse has gone now or it's not gone but it's it's not in a good position for for new sponsors and hopefully they get that resolved but right now it's just not the best situation to be in for a racer and You know like. I felt that going into doing road stuff and trying to raise concha the ball thousand and four hundred Really my thing was That woke me up. When i wrote when i wanted to go. Do some rally. And i started dabbling in rally around the world was when you started traveling anywhere outside the united states. There's no one that knows what short-course even is there's no one that knows what these smaller events are and you start realizing that when you start traveling and also know like i need to go. Try to conquer vince. That people in the world can recognize the ball. One thousand one of those events when you start going around the world. That's where people are like. Oh well we know what the thousand and that's a big race. And that's when i was like okay. We need to do that. But it's like. I wanna do to car. I wanna go figure nolan's want it. I know nothing about it and You know linked up with a team and took the opportunity to learn and you know obviously Got successful out of quick won a bunch of world rallies i wanna rallies in like seven different countries and You know the moon car. Things worked out where we We're able to get the victory there and you know that's where i realized that you know to be successful offering. You gotta be always at the top of your game but you got to try to try to live differently than everybody else so at the same time going on. You know. I have three full-time guys. Were just doing media and content. So we're you know we're trying to push out what All that we can to show the lifestyle that we live. Well you know in talking about that you know i. Let's go back to the short transition. Because i feel like it was a kind of a bit of a homecoming of sorts to you because you kind of at that point in time. Jeep became back into the picture. I mean obviously people think of you know rocks. Gps your family's last name. I mean it's it's kind of iconic in that industry. Did you feel like you know moving from short-course to some of the desert and the jeep type stuff. I mean that was a little bit of a coming home for you Absolutely the funny thing about that. Was it really hit where it all came down to it was i was with factored nissan for the first five years of My short-course career. So when nissan pulled out i was like man. I'm not gonna run a nissan bodies. They're not sponsoring meals like talking to my dad was like well shoot. I'm i still have all the good sponsors that i'm like i'm gonna go to g body on this thing and i'm gonna put a jeep truck and i don't care what anyone says i'm gonna go after you know the market of what you know what the family business is. All about and and from that moment is when it opened the is that men does a niche out. There that you know. I need to captivate on and and really focus on that. No one else has and that's win. It begun like as soon as i put that body on my show of course truck all son. I had new partners wanting to reach out. I had a new opportunities that have never seen before and like the bolts. Just took off in a way that i was like man. I'm gonna i wanna ride this and enjoy it because really comes back to what i love. It comes back to my family. My roots and at the same time you know i wasn't getting any sponsorship really from my dad at that time but if you know obviously as a family man anything i can do to help my family out. That's what it was all about. Yeah for sure and you know how. How is that ben. Because now you've become you know to me. You think gps you think off road. Do you think he security you know and obviously you know at that point your jeep and then all of a sudden the. Ut's came into the play. And you've been you know a huge focal point of the utv's point you just you know you went to the dakar rally and one in a ut but you kind of take us that transition because you know at this time. You're you're moving into gps. And i know i made was about twenty sixteen seventeen. I kind of made the transition into ut type stuff and you kinda added that to your quiver. Commun- that same point you started kind of dabbling in that. What did you see on the side. That was like hey. I need to be. I have my aunt in this cookie jar to you. Know the biggest thing with the tv market for myself. Was you know when. I came to hammers. I i truly love the transit. you know. I love the challenge of the game. Hammers had terrible luck there but really love the the king of the hammers and You know when every year. It's kind of the only rate of actually really raised besides utd world championships. That i just love. And when that went out there and just absolutely had a blast Out the hammers. I was actually driving a You know cal sake terex. Before i don't think at first there was only a polarised. Eight hundred and a yamaha rhino so we went out and i just loved it and from there in. You know what you can do a tv. It's unbelievable and for the cost. You know it's significantly less than a than a jeep and you're going to get this. You're gonna get way more speed and you're going to get way more capabilities out of a stock in it and now you know looking at twenty twenty one and you know even driving the new the new razor that i'm in now it's it's phenomenal. What you can get for the for the for the buck and You know for me that transition. Look if i'm going to go do extreme rock hall and gps. Well shoot i to do the same thing in my utv's and you know for me. I took that niche once again. I've never raised anything. You look at my deal besides racing rally. I've never raced tv. I have no interest in racing and desert score. There's no interest in that for me and for me. It's just about enjoying it and literally having fun with my family and going out and ripping you know ripping razors around and having a blast and we've got on all held lot more casey curry. But we're going to take a short commercial break and we'll rejoin this interview right here on the general tire down and dirty radio show powered by police. Razor conditions off. The pavement are always changing so why settle for a light bar that just turns on and off. The rigid adapt is a revolutionary. New light ball that will automatically select from eighteen patties that range from a widespread ninety degree flood to fifteen degrees spot based on your vehicle. Speed tried that not lightbulb. A dash mounted controller allows the user to toggle between adaptive being panels and rgb w accent life with a deck. It's easier than ever to own the night. Don't just shred you through any off-road rugged terrain get into gear. Gsp and let us redefine your adventure. 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I mean mark miller arguably you know how to how to great run over there. i mean. Robby gordon's had moments. I mean we've had guys like ryan are sierra. Who i respect the hell out of the gone over. There didn't have success. You know menzies. Bj on we go down the list. You know what i mean and there's been some big names do it your approach you know. How did you approach this because you did it differently. One to you found the funding. He go there. Which i gotta give you props for but three i mean i guy you and ricky to to be successful over there you know. The biggest thing for myself was You know obviously the first year. I went You know i. I did have a bad. Co-driver are not a bad. could you ever just. We didn't mesh. And i learned the importance of that and really where i learned the importance of having a cove. That mash was you know. Having the right trainer you know like ricki. breivik became a friend For just writing at the races and then from there at home we started writing together. You know and him letting me train with him and Jimmy lewis it really elevated. What we're doing. We took and concentrate on exactly how we were going to do. This and approach it. And i'm ali like i have a way of like going and doing things my way and yeah you know one of the things that i felt that gave me the competitive edge that i took a lot of time and development on with a shock of it on the fox side and you know fox came out and did a bunch of testing with me here in the states. We did a lot of spring changes with a lot of alvin and we really focused on making the car work. Good in all conditions and to me. I feel that's where some people miss. And i know that menzies frustrations was that he wasn't allowed to do that With his program. And we all know that robbie torkham kind of gets thrown together. Last minute and i felt that you know. I took everything that i learned from everybody and took that upon myself and felt that i focused wearing needed to to kind of get the car to be right before we went in and it showed i felt like last year i felt that in gnarly conditions the car just worked very well My co driver got me through some pretty crappy situations and you know. When it came down to going faster going slow we were able to communicate together and really address. You know the situation in front of us to get us to the front well. And i know me as somebody that that watches it home and kind of you know. Obviously i follow you on social media. We've known each other for years. But i'm watching it last year. The the thing that my right arm went. Wow cases. Just not an american going to dakar case in american going to win was when you went to what is it. September october had the rally morocco. And you went to iran. That and i was like i know a lot of americans have gone to the rally. Not a lot of americans have invested enough to go and actually do that as a tuneup. When i saw that i was like okay. This is the real deal you. This isn't like a splash. Our going to do some social media case he goes to dakar. Yeah this is like no kids going to decker a win. You know to me. You'll make that massive investment to go to morocco. If you're not planning on absolutely destroying the field attacker yeah so the actual thing is funny about that is like we last year. We went to morocco and dhabi. We went down to mainland mexico We did four other rallies last year on top of that. They're just once again there because they're kind of out of the limelight you know. It's just not things that they really get hyped up on and But you're totally right like going doing that blaming the story around what it takes to go compete in rallies. Pretty unbelievable like we flew over. It's like a nine hour flight to get to morocco It's a twelve hour car. Ride to get down to where. The big bucket stationed and your. It's true the most non pleasant thing you'll ever do. There's not a lot of enjoyment of like you know you're not driving three hours down tanada and the talk like we were literally nine hour car. Ride twelve hour nine hour plane ride twelve car right. Get down there do testing scrutineering. You know the black yada yada yada raise for five days. Dry twelve hours back. You know then a nine hour flight to get home so you know to go do these type rallies is like it's serious and that's why i feel that a lot of americans they everybody wants to do when you start looking at analyzing what it's gonna take like this. I mean it is a tremendous amount of work and on top of that like finance financially. It yes to go do. The car is like for me. It's it's literally my racing budget here in the states. What it takes to in two years in the united states just to raise the ten day rally in car. It's crazy you know and obviously like you said you've got an entire media crew you got everything back and you you. You've approached it the right way so you can. Actually i tell people all the time. It's about guaranteeing roi front regardless finish now. Obviously you're kinda like the golden goose where you you have. The roi guaranteed with the media going to produce. But you're actually going out and winning too so it's like it's a double double double whammy there you know. Yeah you know. I always prepare for the worst and hope for the best so you know in preparations. We're going to have the worst race ever want to be prepared in a way that you know. Obviously that we're not just going to go home and completely go see event that we're going to have a story to tell and and create a video and all the instagram to go with it so i mean yeah there we absolutely have strategic plan whether it goes bad or good to attack it so it's just Yeah obviously carr worked out in my favor and you know which actually is funny because it makes you. It makes the videos way worse because it's a very very stressful str- Chess game of going. You know that no one knows about it that you're playing this game of how fast you're gonna go depending on where you finish and then then you gotta play. Who starts behind you. Who start you time. Splits feel stops. Who you know keeping splits at time stops because there's no race radios are in the car so there's like all that's going on you're like and also they wanted to do an interview and you're like don't even wanna talk. I'm like you got all this stuff going on inside your head trying to go and win this chess game of arrays. 'cause that race blows wonderful and one thousand three times and i'd rather raise the five hundred four days in a row the or four ball and thousands in a row then go to car and It's just it's truly a unique situation to being with that much pressure. So you guys are down there you know and and you know an and everything's going on you know. At what point do you go. Obviously this is a two week long rally but at what point do you see things ago man. We got a real shot at this and does that puts added pressure on you. Because you enter. You want to win. And then the thing starts unfolding and you're going. Oh man like we got a real shot here to just an extra level of pressure on your shoulders. man it it i like. I say this every time. I've we've been in this situation. I you know how to raise and like this. The only way i can do to any americans go it's the baja five hundred you're at race mile four hundred. You have a twenty minute lead. Everybody else's running. Be of twenty minutes on second place and literally. They're gonna freeze your time but they want you to pull your home up and they're going to do twenty five minute interview with you. so what. How do you put that emotion if if they did the to everybody you your your anxiety. What goes through the roof. Because they're going to ask you. What are you going to do after you after you win. Are you excited to go home after you win you win. What are you gonna do right. And it's like. Could you imagine the only thing i could think that'd be similar. There's them stopping you at the ball. Five hundred and literally saying and asking you questions with your helmet off and you need to be cool calm and relaxed and it's like it's hard to do so. Yeah it's like ninth inning of the world series and the pitcher's getting ready to go out there and asking him what. What are you going to do after you win. You know or something. Throw a no hitter. It's just a total throws your mind in a tailspin. I'm suing yeah. 'cause like as soon as we done on the last day you know we had a forty five minute lead. Which is very comfortable leap. I mean men one accident and forty five minutes is gone and so you know that's the thing everybody and their mom is. You know there is the way the you know. The car works is so different than any the former racing. Because yeah you can go to the press conference at a score race or best miseration get in. Do the little there at two car. There's when you finish the stage and you're not even you've been interviewed like six or eight times and then you get to the black and there's twenty five more interviews before you can even go to bed or or do at briefing with your team. So it's like the in the amount of questions that come out of them are obviously they. They're not hoping you make a mistake. They're like they're intervening intervening you for the worst and the best. So it's like it just makes the pressure that much more so that'd been said obviously you win dak harming. Obviously you win one with ricky. Who is a good friend years. I mean that's huge. I mean how. How is that coming home where you know two guys. That are really good friends both. Walk away victorious on the global stage winning the biggest off road race of the year. I mean i'd have been huge man. It really was it. Did ricky's a great guy. He deserves it. I mean more than anybody and Did it was just. It was a phenomenal experience. Like you know having the national anthem in saudi arabia with a huge american flag on the podium now obviously is the first time in the car history that the national anthems been played during the ceremonies. So you know you. There's what there's all kinds of complications but there's ways to win the rally in in classes but to win the categories has never been done by an american so there was a bunch of stuff to go behind that and it was. It was truly an amazing experience and we are going to continue on this car. Conversation will return but we got a short commercial. Break that we've got to get to here in a few moments but do want to say. Obviously if you guys haven't already. Casey on the polaris razor platform. Go over to pereira's razor social media. Check out the released video. It's insane and honestly check out on casey's social media picture this new razor that is getting ready for for king of the hammers in. I am really excited to see what casey's able to do it king the hammers. I know we got a lot more to talk about in regards to that It trust me. This interview is is deep. We've got to get to it. I do want to remind you though before we do. Yes men yes. We've got a lot of male listeners. 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No filler. our number two right here on the show. Good friend and all around bad. Ask casey curry on the show. And casey is he's just been killing it and just about everything he does and we are going to continue on with his interview. Because we got casey curry standing by. So that leads us into this year. Obviously thanks gotta hit the fan with covert. I know you know there's a lot. There's a lot of reasons why you're not at dakar now to me. It's even weird. We're doing this interview right now but you know it truly is the timing of this thing and and a lot of people listen to this. You know month or two down the road and and you know kind of what but let's not get into the politics of it because i kind of know the politics of things and things like that. Let's let's be more forward-looking obviously you're not done with decker correct. I mean you know. Let's say we're we're definitely probably gonna see casey back right. Oh yeah so. The plan is to go back You know there's yes lots of politics involved. Obviously you know there's also pandemic in the world and you know. I have two little boys and a wife at home and you know to me. You know. forget all racing side. Is that i look at it. You know i am a family man and conquered. What i set my goals out to do and my goal was to wind car. It wasn't to win it over and over and over again it was to win the car and to see where the world is and to see where the politics are You know i just felt best that to not get myself wrapped up in something. That isn't my primary focus. You know it. It really was to focus on my family and to take care of what's going on here and you know like you know there's an election going on right now and you know i didn't want to be out of the country while that's all going on whether it's a good move or bad move i just felt that for me It was best to take care of my family. And you know. I am a you know working at current prices now doing a lot with carina prices and you know the pandemic made our business. Were you know were really busy. But it's really hard to get parts and you know. I want to be around to make sure that i'm focusing on you know obviously Taking care of the family business and making sure that things are moving in the direction. I want him to move. And you know all that for ben and awesome the opportunity to to Join the players razor team. And i'm looking at new opportunities. Came and i felt that you know talking with them that. Hey let's Let's do everything we can to be ready for. Twenty twenty two well in in that being said obviously you know. That's the big news right. You're your team razor now. That opens up a lot of doors. Obviously we know polaris has got their hands and and you know in dakar you know the. There's also they've got their hands a lot of different things i mean. I know you said you're going to be running king of the hammers and a polaris razor. Obviously there's opportunities in pretty much all facets off road with the brand. I mean you know kinda cut open the door. Obviously you know you've got your stuff in the full size vehicles. I know you wanna continue to do. But what is what does ahead in. Twenty twenty one. I mean you've conquered pretty much every major off road race You know there is here in north america. And obviously you've conquered. What's next for casey in two thousand twenty one so the only race in the world that i've never won. I truly the only thing. I've never one is key. The hammers i finished second and third. But i've actually never wanted So i'd like to win the king of the hammers But i'm gonna do the hammers we're going to go do this nor rally We're gonna you know. That's my january or february marks We're going to go ahead and start testing and getting our razor dialed in for the car. we already have it out to shop and we're literally already addressing What we can do to to figure out over him and then You know we're to go out and we're gonna literally just go have fun. I'm gonna go out and we're gonna just go drive and create content and see what kind of trouble we can put ourselves into and what kind of trails we can conquer i feel there's Give the obviously the ut markets on fire right now and We're gonna go out and we're going to explore. I'm gonna go find places that no one's been we're to go details that everyone talks about but no one's done you know we're just going to go live and try to have an absolute blast doing and you know like one of the features you know with all the new raises and the capabilities. You know the the technology they've put forth With the razors pretty unbelievable. You know now with all the navigation systems incorporated into the dash the two shocks being all basically everything electronic making you comfortable in all different scenarios that yeah you're right. I'm not racing. i'm not going to do a lot of it. But boy i'm going to show the true capabilities of what razor has and the and all the upgraded features that they're capable of. We're going to go take it and try to basically use them all. Yeah what time. Sneaking out to johnson valley obviously. I know you're going to go in put in the work out there or how early you go to bed We'll be out there. I'll be there three day. I'll be there twice a week from next week. All until the hampton. So probably i'd like to test at least ten days or before the Actual hammers league so try. Try to put some miles in. Yeah so look into what's going on at dakar. Close out man. I mean obviously are razor teammates. Seth catanzaro. he's he's doing pretty damn good over there. What's your take on. What's happening over there right now. You know i felt that. I think they're doing good. I mean it. Start to see that they've had issues to put him for the back Well in the overall ranking the re the categories gotten very unique and i. I don't really understand it but there's a you know that light. Suv versus v and But yeah i think they're. They're doing good he did. He's i mean he's definitely stepped up to you know rookie and going out there. And being able to lay down and like he has and being consistent is phenomenal. see and You know for me i. i'm. I'm glad to see happening. Is that you know waiting. Christner their their new with new cars. That were basically put together last minute. As far as like they literally got the cars done right before the race and You know they're going. They're they're and they're getting homework done and they're actually finishing stages and you know for me. That is what they're gonna come home with and go. These are all the things we need to fix these things. We need to address. These are things we need to do better. We have told months the cars are now. They're we've actually been we analyze. We you know we take all that information and we figured out how to go back and do better for twenty twenty two so for myself. I feel you know. I think they're all doing a great job by you know they haven't been there as a team. It's a new team You know everything isn't gonna happen overnight and it's very competitive over there. Well casey man it was. It's always a pleasure. I'm sure i know i'll be out of. Koa h a bit not racing. But i'm sure. I'll see a racetrack at some point this year and often yes stoked to have you in the in the razor family with us man. I appreciate them. And i'm excited to be a part of it and a man were the journey. Just begun so yeah. That was casey curry. The man that never ever disappoints truthfully apologies. Taken so long to get casey back on the show because he's a class act and he's a guy that I absolutely completely respect what he's done. I mean you know like we said he's got out on limbs he's gone and done things that many people won didn't have the balls to do and and just flat wooden Casey really truly is He's one of a kind. He's a once in generally ational marketing mind. I mean i'm looking back to what is doing short. And he's putting on short course races with monster jam and things like that. Like complete out of the box thinking that Nobody else was doing. Nobody else thinking of doing. I mean it. Truly what he's been able to do in his career what he's been able to accomplish at It absolutely is remarkable and always fun catching up with casey. You never quite know where he's going to turn up You know as as chris said earlier in the show. Dakar rally going on like i said. It's it's weird that they're the reigning champion is not even at Is not even at car but It's you know. I it's just fax in You know there's a lot of reasons behind it Casey being the class act he did. He didn't dive into everything but I know there definitely is more to more to the story than that but Yeah it's it's It's always good catching up with With casey so Yeah what else is going on. Well i know. I've been spending a ton of time out in the desert. I a brand new motor in a brand new pre-owned mohtaram can't afford those. You know this brand new ones. Yeah i'm not that rich not rich at all You know. I got no money. I'm just an old radio host You know that Likes to buzz around the desert I got a new rig and a lot of camping. Out in the desert. With with the razors. And tell you it is has made my weekends infinitely more fun. I absolutely can't wait to be doing more of it And continue you know. Continue on out you know. Continue to to push boundaries. Rv trip plan for later this year Up and down the west coast. So that's another thing you know. This is a fan driven show. We're going to do a tour. We want you guys to come right razors with me this summer. So we're going to take it to california oregon washington idaho. Utah taking a massive. Rv tour. And i want you guys to be a part of it. I want you guys If you're in the area to come out razors with us for day we're going to have a film crew or document the whole thing. It's gonna be one hell of a good time and looking forward to having a lot of fans and listeners. A part of it. So if you've got any right areas. If you're in nevada california arizona. Utah idaho washington oregon if you are in this area on the west coast. I am challenging you right now. If you've got a spot you think is insane if you think it's good if you think man we need a film crew here. We need to some of the best razor drivers in north america. Here i wanna ride with these guys in. It's worthy of filming. Hit me up. Social media at jim beaver. Fifteen d emmy. Whatever you gotta do. But i want to. I want to know where spots are. We've got kind of tentative outline in a plan where we're gonna take this rv trip but we don't have things exact we don't have it you know we don't we don't know exactly where where we're gonna go are what we're gonna do. We got a general idea. So it's in flux so a lot of you guys said i wanna meet you wanna ride with you. I wanna do this right now. Here's your chance if you're on the west coast. If you're in the western. Us boop. We're taking an rv trip. This summer i want you guys to be a part of it. Hit me up. Let me know where the spots are right. Now we're talking about hitting. Mike blowy dana creatures area. Fifty two compound coups bay oregon dunes in idaho. We're going to go up to washington possibly dirt fish. It's gotta be some better places to ride and washington hit me up. They're going to go to moab possibly swing arm city. who knows. Maybe we're going to go to san hollow a bit Right now no places pegged in nevada. You got some good spots in nevada. Let me know. Man i would. I love to come to nevada. I've been all over the state. You know racing. But i would love to come to. Some recreational areas in nevada northern nevada would actually be better for the way trip is outlined but man hit me up. We wanna hit up some some places that probably don't get a lot of love but are insane so at jimmy on social media. That is where you'll get a hold of me and Yeah you know if it works out we're gonna bring a film crew and we're gonna come riding with me and some of the best razor drivers in the country and we are going to have one hell of a good time and yeah looking forward to a riding with a lot of fans the show a lot of friends santa. Throw a big party for our tenth anniversary. That's what we're doing. We're taking an rv road trip. This summer full on mike old school skate video props road full. Bmx video style. Where we just take rv's and razors and go out and rob by day and take the rv's in the next town and then go and rob some more man. It's going to be a lot of fun this trip. I wanted to do for a longtime or finally pulling the trigger. We're going to do it. And some of my bad ass. Friends are going to be along for the ride. And it's going gonna be one hell of a good time later on this year so Yeah that is that is happening. And i definitely want you fans and listeners to the show to be involved if and when it does it's not if it's happening so yeah that's all going down very very soon In june so before that we've got a lot of racing and I may just have a new race car sitting in the garage. I haven't talked about haven't told many people about and Yeah i'm looking forward to Looking forward to role in that maybe out and Yeah having a having a hell of a lot of fun with it so yeah that's coming up as well but we are going to take a short commercial break here and when we return. I think it's time to wrap things up on this two hour episode of the general tire down thirty radio show powered by polaris razor. 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Thanks for tuning into the down. Dirty radio show available live online in syndication on networks across the us and available internationally on the american forces network. Welcome back to the general tire down. Thirty radio show powered by. Polaris razor jimmy. We're here wrapping up. Another addition our i guess our debut episode and twenty twenty one mark in ten years on the air Former ten year anniversary will be later this year but We got a lot of plans for this year to celebrate and man a decade-long on the air many people last we think we lost more than one episode and here we are ten years later and almost five hundred episodes in the bag. We've had a lot of good talk on the show over the course of that. Time and Definitely don't see that lifted time soon so a lot of it's coming up Out at the par-four twenty five this next week fearing parker to watch the best of the hit me up on social media. I'd love to meet up with some of the fans Yeah it's make sure lot cova going around right now so if you wanna come meet up man. We'll we'll do a little elbow bump and just make sure you're wearing masks my app i would love to meet you. Guys love to hang out and yeah would be fun to meet up some of the listeners to the show and and things like that. So hit me up here. Parker at jim beaver fifteen. And i'll let you know where i'm probably hanging out with vision we'll booth. They'll be roman around continuously. I think i'll have polaris razor on display in the vision wheel booth as well so yeah. Lots of good stuff coming up. You know very very soon but big thanks to all our supporters of the show general tire. Polaris razor vision. Wheel rigid industries dirt. Fish optimus gsp axles. I racing fist full of bourbon. Our good friends at manse gaped yes. Don't forget twenty percent off and free shipping with the co. Jim beaver landscape dot com. 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We've been working at it for ten years but continued to throw those ratings up and we absolutely appreciate it. One hundred and What else did i got. Yeah jimbo spotify. podcast one. What we all that stuff. I don't know i feel like i'm rambling on right trying to fill time here. Yeah we got a time stamp on the show. And i feel the cap but Yeah we got some big news coming out on the east sports fraught You know very soon and a whole lot more including my new race car a lot of stuff so definitely follow along at jim beaver. Fifteen for all the shenanigans. And we'll see you next time right here on the general tire down and dirty radio show powered by polarised razor. Be safe and have a great week.

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Motorsports Drop: March 5, 2021

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Motorsports Drop: March 5, 2021

"I'm chris leoni and this is the motorsports. Drop your source. The latest national motorsports in sim racing news results. More is your update for friday march. Fifth twenty twenty one wednesdays eraser car nominally. Five hundred ended with jimmy mullah's becoming three thousand dollars richer holding off michael cozy junior nick. Moore's at the finish. The motorsports dropped chevy of dan. Roper was running towards the front before late race incident. While pole-sitter nick cotton got caught up in an earlier wreck going for the fifteen thousand dollar last verse. Challenge back to real racing. All three of nascar's national series are back in action. This weekend at las. Vegas motor speedway. The cup series has been wide. Open the start. The season with three race winners having just four combined race. Victors meanwhile the truck series markets. Lomonosov camping world has offered to put up quite a bit of money to anybody willing to run. His company's blue and yellow colors for tonight's race supercross returns to action daytona international speedway on attract designed as always by ricky carmichael. Ken rocks and continues to lead the four fifty points hoping to extend his lead over former series. Champion cooper web. Finally you ai. Racers out there. Bark river international speedway was confirmed to join the pro truck ranks in the next bill.

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Motorsports Drop Dakar Daily: Stage 12

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01:22 min | 3 months ago

Motorsports Drop Dakar Daily: Stage 12

"I'm chris leoni. And this is the motorsports trump dak our daily your source for all things. Twenty twenty one deck route. Today's recap covers the final stage stage. Twelve has rangers returned to jeddah from food for the second year in a row. It's monster energy honda on top as even a broken nose suffered earlier in the rally. Couldn't stop kevin vitas from claiming his first day. Car motorcycle win teammate. Ricky break wins the final stage to come home second in his title. Defense with sam sunderland third overall in the car class stephan pedder hansel. Winning his record extending fourteenth deck are rally is eighth in the car class and carlos sainz in sp. Chris winds today's battle but chileka lopez wins the war for the second time in three years. American austin jones comes home second. Well aaron dumbbell poland completes the. Sv podium rookies wayne matlock. Cantero score top twenty overall lightweight. We'll finish manuel under jar. Hangs on in the quad class well to metri sought nikolov completed dominant run in the trucks for the overall win both first time overall winners. Finally the inaugural decker classic. It's mark do thanh team sun hill buggy on top.

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Motorsports Drop Dakar Daily: Stage 2

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01:22 min | 3 months ago

Motorsports Drop Dakar Daily: Stage 2

"I'm chris leoni and this is the motorsports dropped in. Dakar your source for all things. Twenty twenty one deck rally. Today's recap covers stage to the four hundred fifty seven kilometers especially stages from bishop to wadia. Dowa sir nassar. It takes the stage winning cars but stephane peterhansel take the overall lead with a second place. Finish where he's ahead of teammate. Carlos sainz sebastian. Low recovers to piece today and seven overall. Speaking of recoveries joan berrada and ricky back where two on the day and now overall in the motorcycle class well toby. Price fades to fifteenth overall. And andrew short withdraws dude and mechanical issues sef becomes the youngest car winner ever as the ot threes. Go one two three in the three class. Well austin jones slips to p five and t four after finishing ninth today chile lopez. Is your new class leader. There after stage podiums each of the past two days in quads alexandra giroud still leads but publica petty took today's stage well dmitri sutton niqab continues to dominate the truck class tomorrow. Stage is a loop in wadia dowa sir with four hundred and three kilometers especial stages and two hundred and twenty seven kilometers of transit.

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Ep 2  A Sister of St. Thrse: Servant of God, Lonie Martin  Bearer of Hope w/Fr. Timothy Gallagher  Discerning Hearts Podcast

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35:56 min | 7 months ago

Ep 2 A Sister of St. Thrse: Servant of God, Lonie Martin Bearer of Hope w/Fr. Timothy Gallagher Discerning Hearts Podcast

"DISCERNING HEARTS DOT COM in cooperation with the oblates of the Virgin. Mary presents a sister of Saint Tarez. Servant of God Leoni Martin Bear of Hope With Father Timothy Gallagher. Father. Gallagher is a member of the oblates of the Virgin Mary religious community dedicated to retreats and spiritual direction according to the spiritual exercises of Saint. Ignatius of Loyola is featured on several series found on the eternal word television network. He's also the author of numerous books on the spiritual teachings up Saint Ignatius of Layla and the venerable Bruna lantieri founder of the plates of the Virgin, Mary as well as other works focused on aspects of the spiritual life. A sister of Saint. Tarez serving God Leone Martin Bear of Hope Father. Timothy Gallagher I'm your host Chris McGregor. Get. A kind of an overview of need for struggles and then we'll resume. So he left lane need. At the school at Lamont in the hope that with her aunt's help that something might change. But let's go back and look at the context of this. So Ah Looney is two years old her younger sister Hellene is born helene died when she was five years old. Hellene is recognized by everyone. You see this is elise letters to really special child everybody loved her. She was sweet. Even when this five year old child is close to death, she's consoling her mother. It's just it's a it's a beautiful beautiful thing. Now, in the Martin family, you have the two oldest sisters you have marine pauline who were born close together. And they would kind of be companions they would share a room they would be companions throughout their lives. Then you have nonni and aline who are born close together just year apart. And everything looks like they're going to form a pair as well. Some of the other children die early on and then you have selene and Tarez at the end of the family, and as we know, they are an inseparable pair sharing a room sharing an intense relationship of closeness. All right. That's the the setup of the children. The XM starts when she's two years old, her paternal grandfather dies when she's two years old. Now when Helena's born Xavi was able to. To nurse the oldest children. But as she grew more frail physically herself, she was no longer able to so that when Helena's born at this point, she sends the children to another woman as their nurses was a common thing at that time and it was a very hard thing because generally the women would only accept to nurse the child if the child came to live with them, this is what happens with Tarez in her first year for example. So what this means is that the child is born and then almost immediately leaves the home. Just difficult for the child and obviously difficult for the family, the mother and the family. So Helena's born, but she immediately leaves the home. When Leoni is three years old. Brother Joseph is born. He also immediately leaves the home to be nursed and he dies five months later at this point helene returns. When Leoni is four and a half years old, the second of her little brother's is born immediately leaves the home to be nursed. When Leone is five years old? The second of her brothers also dies at the age of eight months and then a week. Later, her maternal grandfather dies at that point to just a month and a half later, the two oldest Marie and Pauline leave home to go off to the boarding school the mom. So you have this large family but because of the early death of these children because they're sent out to be nursed and because the oldest to go up to the boarding school, Leoni is loan the two youngest selene and are not yet born at this point. She has the onus is that we mentioned. When she is five years old say Lee who simply can't keep up with everything with the business and the children she hires a maid and this is Louise Monday. And will just mention that when Lanee is five years old louise comes and she's going to be with the family until Sally's death. Will be returning to her as we go along. When Leoni is six years, old saving is not born immediately leaves the home to be nursed. This is followed by the death of Helene. Point. So, six brothers and sisters and she's alone. And this would be her condition in the family for the rest of her family life. The oldest two would be together and share life youngest who would be together but Leoni would be alone. In fact, fury visit the family home at Sunday in the issue when they'll family later boost these you. You can see the from the floor plan at one end of the upstairs corridor you have the room where emery pauline live at the opposite end of the corridor you have the room where Tarez and selene share room and in a small room along that quarter, you have the room were Leoni lived alone. She suffered from this. She felt it very much just the way that things happened. If she'd had helene the sweet lovely wonderful child with whom to pair up the way the others had things might have been different but Helena's invention sadly is when she's five years old. All right. When the next following year when Looney is seven Selena returns to the family, and then another girl Melanie has is born. But she's also immediately sent out to be nursed and tragically dies within two months because of neglect on the part of the nurse. Now imagine this young girl, you know three, four, five, six, seven years old going through all of this these births and deaths and coming and going and being left alone. In fact of the five daughters who lives he's the only one who through all of this because the oldest two are off at the boarding school and are not present much of this. The youngest two are not born yet when a lot of this is happening so again. Destabilizing event after destabilizing stabilizing event and this young child who is already struggling physically and emotionally, and in terms of her studies is just and not only this but imagine the suffering and the worry in the parents and the anxiety and the sadness as there's one death after another and she lives through all of this and then as I mentioned when the war comes when she's eight years old, the family moves within Alonzo when she's eight years old. Or that brings us up to her first effort her first attempt to. The border in the boarding school out of the mind but you can see the the just the situation which this well La Bova Leonie no, the poor Leoni, the situation that she's gone through. The, Father in heaven allowed all this in this child's life is possible. This story is going to be even more remarkable. Then Tarez story, it's an amazing story. Right now, in this case, we're going to switch to some letters written by a lease or sister Marie dossier. Who describes what happens with Leonie in this attempt to have her at the boarding school? So she's writing now to her brother is door and her sister-in-law selene. So Leeann is eight years old and she's now at the school. Year. I am like mother of three children because of bullying and read the oldest two are there. Because now have Leilani who arrived about mid June. So this is about maybe three weeks later. It is a continual battle. I would have liked her mother to found the right place to send her to. But. I can see that it has to be who bears his cross. Now, that gives you an insight. Now, this is a sister who is a religious she's not a married woman she's a religious she's living a cloistered contemplative life she is teaching in school, but she's well aware that having Leoni and having to care for Leoni is while she calls it across its burden continual battle. I will try therefore to summon all my strength and you can almost hear the repetition of lease efforts to deal with on they need. Just, think on top of that don't even like the bother of children. It is completely incompatible with my character and my taste for peace and quiet as I. Say this is not a selfish woman writing, but this is a contemporary of religious who just isn't used to ease kinds of battles and struggles. However God's will be done. It is for his glory irrespective of our personal gratification. I hope however that I will make something of her and with God's help we will get there. This child loves me a great deal. All right. That ensues another side of Leoni, which is now for the first time in the correspondence. And she really had a very affectionate heart. This child loves me a great deal. She always did have a great deal of affection love for her hand. and. It is surprising because I punish her so much I. Don't spare her and it is necessary without that. We wouldn't be able to do anything with her and she fears nobody. But me it was the only way to attempt to control her. She was so unruly and so disruptive. Just a little bit later during the same stay at the boarding school. In how we've already got the conclusion here Leonie will not be coming back straightaway. In, it just didn't go. It was too disruptive. She wasn't learning. She was bothering the others he was uncontrollable daily is not best pleased but our mother does not want me looking after her this winter she fears for my health. In fact, elise had always had trouble with gold and. Her health was not strong. I am well, but the weather is always worrying. This is a further letter from a lease. The oldest sister writing to her brother is or in her sister-in-law Celine and she describes the children and this is an important passage. So this is Leoni at nine years old. My Little Marie is ravishing the ended simple and frank. Pauline is going to prepare for her first communion. Leone for the little time that I had her. So this was just roughly a two months stay before she had to go home. His gave me reason to hope for the future. and. So this is a wise woman who is seeing beyond the appearances. She is a difficult child to bring up and whose childhood won't be a source of pleasure and she was right on that. But I think that in the future, she will be worth more than her sisters remarkable. And is strikingly you know of the four sisters after other than Tarez. which ones cause of canonization has been introduced. It's really interesting that sister Marie Doc- take could foresee some of this. And this is a beautiful thing. She has a heart of gold and you'll see this phrase return a number of times with all her difficulties and her emotional bursts answer. Uncontrollable behavior and her. Disinterest failure in her studies and all the rest of this. Paradox of this is that people recognize that is a great goodness of heart and they they see this early on in her she has a heart of gold. Her intelligence is not developed and is well below average for her age. However, she doesn't lack brains and I find she has good judgment. On top of that she this is another really important thing in Leoni on top of that. She has an admirable strength of character. When this little one gains reason. So when she gets to the point where she's old enough to. Face life in that way as a kind of a sense of life and so forth when this little one gains reason and sees what her duty is, nothing will stop her. And we're going to see that in her life. This was a woman who knew what she wanted in life and failure after failure after failure nothing would stop her and she got their. Sees what her duty is. Nothing will stop her difficulties however great they may be we'll be nothing to her she will knock down all the obstacles that will undoubtedly come her way because she is built for that. Lastly. She is strong and generous in nature and completely to my taste. But if the grace of God wasn't there, she would be and then the editors of the letter probably family members just cancelled what follows. That's an interesting thing that without the grace of God. What would have become of her without the prayer of faith. Support of the family, her own life of faith or life of the sacraments and prayer. What would have become of her? And, that's a very good question that her and raises. But it's really really interesting that she sees. Yes this is a difficult child. She's slow. You have all the problems that are there, but she has a heart of gold and she has. A will of iron. An admirable strength character when she sees where she wants to go nothing is going to stop her. At what I heard in a lot of that too Father Gallagher is the need for structure and boundaries. There needs to be structure in boundaries and consistency. And she didn't fat. She when she was at home and she loved the and so much when she was away because she provided that for her. A discipline. Even, though it took a lot of work even though it took a lot of effort. Unexpectedly so it Touched her. Again prior to that everything that was happening in the home there was so much changing and so much emotion and so much possible expectations that she couldn't fill. And probably was frustrating to. It caused me to pause for a moment because. Again in the life of so many kids. That's especially when they have these kind of learning disabilities or emotions, it bet they find that really helps. Will I. Think. That's what Zilly hoped and having her go to the boarding school and with her aunt's care. But I. Think we have to also remember here that she she she only lasted two months and they had to send her home. You know with all the best will in the world. But remarkably as they say, her aunt could see beyond the struggles of the moment is end fully understanding them see also other qualities her aunt will help have something important to say about this a little bit later on in the story. Here is a Lee writing to her sister-in-law about. The sad fact that Leonie was unable to last in the visitation boarding school and had to return home. Next Thursday. The children go back to the visitation monastery. So that's Pauline and Marie. But to my great regret, my Leoni won't be returning there. She's not able to keep up with the others and at the moment they don't have teacher to give her private lessons. What's more? My sister's health is so fragile during the winter that the mother superior wants to spare her the fatigue of keeping an eye on this child. So the first attempt doesn't last long and it doesn't turn out really all that well. All right. This next letter takes us to Leone at age ten. And say lease writing to her brother is the door and her sister-in-law selene. I brought children. So that's the two oldest girl's back to Lamont on the eighth of this month. Laney still hasn't started school there yet. And Elise says I pushed that back until the first of the year. So she continues to hope. That Leone. To Go back and successfully undertake studies there. And she and her husband Louis, they think about it and then they say, no, it's she's not ready this year. Let's wait another year that this goes on for a time. If it weren't so important to me that her and prepare her for first communion. She'd never go to the visitation monastery. But I want to see if our sister manages to change her as I hope, this is the enduring. Hope that silly has for her child. All, right. This is the same year. Leoni is ten years old and say lease writing to her brother Isidor. My dear, sister in the mom that's their older sister is still doing reasonably well, she is much better than she was last winter and we don't understand that at all because usually she suffered through the winters you know one of the things to keep in mind I don't know how they worked with a lease. But these monasteries didn't have heat that just was considered a luxury that they wouldn't have. They would heat the common room for recreation times together and so on. But their cells, the corridors, the churches, and so on. These things were not heated. So they might be living in fifty degree temperatures. In the monasteries during these times. As you read the letters use either as a lot of flu and colds and these sorts of things. But it was a pretty austere life. The visitation was much gentler than the Carl. And that will be one of the key reasons why knee will become a Carmelite because her health would never last with the rigors. It was a much more rigorous life although the visitation life by our standards today was still pretty rigorous. You know. I've gotten the idea that God is leaving her with me so that she can transform my Leyla. So Xavi never. Loses this hope. Because she's the only person who has any influence over her Also, when we asked my poor little girl, what she wants to be when she grows up her answer is always I wonder if you can guess what her answer would be. Me Be none at the visitation monastery with my aunt which is an interesting thing long before any of the other ten sisters thought of Religious Life Lanee is the one who speaking about. God Willing. This will be so but you can't really believe it, but it's beautiful and I don't dare hope for the next day after that letter. Silly rights to the two girls who are at the boarding school. I don't know if Leoni will be able to enter the visitation. The first of the year she has ECZEMA was I say we'll see this returning periodically to her life and is still spreading. Your aunt has. To tell me if I have to wait until she's recovered, they want her to be over this before they can allow her to come. So after the first failed attempt to have Leona go to the boarding school when she's eight years old some years pass and Lanier's now. See. Lien. Louis. Make a second attempt to have her go to the boarding school. And so this is a letter when this is in December. And Z. Leah's writing to her brother Isidor and sister-in-law, selene. As for Leoni, she's entering the school at the visitation monastery. Every year is the door and Selena, especially, ed sister-in-law Selene would send New Year's gifts for the children and every year he had the same thing they get them in sailly writes back thanking her and then scolding for doing as much as she did. Is An interesting thing. But obviously, selene was never bothered by that. She continued to do it every year. Okay don't send her stationary or work box because she has all that it would be a waste of money sent her only a book on piety either in Imitation of Christ for the manual of the Christian. I. So there is say. In December looking ahead to having Leone go to the visitation boarding school in January. And now let's pick up with letters from system rideau see tain there, and as she writes about what happens when a Leoni is now at the boarding school. So, this is in February. So Leoni has been there for some weeks and their aunt is writing to Isidor and her sister-in-law's selene. You wanted me to give you news of Leoni. It's no small matter I. Assure you having three children to manage. It is a lot of trouble. It is difficult to train children to be virtuous. You are already experiencing it with your little gene. It's not over you've only just started. You will need a great deal of patients to reach your goal. But above all. So this is the elder sister writing to her younger brother. But above all put your trust in God. That's the key human beings are nothing but instruments God wants to use but they must recognize their limitations make an effort as if everything depended on them and yet expect their success to come from God. And I assure you that by acting in this way, the Lord pours out his blessings and everything goes wonderfully in a way. It occurs to me as I read those words that that's. That's the key to this whole story. The family and all its members did make efforts but God was at the center and that's really where their greatest confidence was. I have proof in my knee. As you know, this poor child has a good many faults during the first month I scolded her when she didn't do things right and that happens. So frequently that I hardly did anything else now it follows is really instructive because this is something that will we'll see repeat in the life of Leoni. So I hardly did anything else There's a piece missing in the letter it picks up especially since her sisters kept coming in accusing her I could see very well. So whatever faults were the sisters would bring them to the end. I could see very well that I would make this little girl unhappy without something missing probably without helping her and that's what I didn't want. I wanted to be an example of God's providence to her. So I implore God to help an enlighten me because I had only good intentions. I began therefore to treat her more generally. Will See as the story unfolds that Laya knee will never respond well to harshness. Will always defeat her and discourage her. and. She'll fail. But when she's treated gently like this she blossoms. And this is the first time. This happens I began to therefore to treat her more gently by avoiding scolding and telling her that I saw she wanted to be good and please me and that I had confidence I I know that you want to be good. I know that you WanNa make me happy and I have confidence in you can do it. This produced the magic effect that was not only immediate, but also lasting. So so the the marvels at the change in they you and she's treated this way. But also lasting because it is continuing and I find her entirely sweet first time we'd heard these words said about Leoni. I am more pleased with her than with her sisters remarkably. The other Tube Marie and Paulina very successful doing well academically and everything. What is unimaginable is to desire she has to please me. It makes her overcome her laziness. She is studying well now. She comes to me candidly to tell me what she has done. Wrong. I told her I wanted her to do so and she is very obedient. And this is the one who we thought was heartless. And who does in fact, love more than the others. That's the heart of gold at affectionate heart and her when she's treated this way. A something in her just blossoms. I hope God will bless our efforts and that she will become very good because there is still work to do, and we will still more than once need to season are gentleness with firmness. All right a few weeks later. Writing now to Sally, I can only say one thing. Leonie does give me trouble. That's true. But no more than Marie. Did she has faults but she has many qualities as well. She has such a good heart there. You see it again that that heart of gold and is very obedient. She never answers back. No matter what we say unlike her two sisters who always want to be in the right. But her biggest fault is that she doesn't understand no more than if she were a child of three and she's eleven you know at at this stage and obviously as the years go by and she does so poorly at her studies year after year, it's going to get harder and harder for her because she has more and more to make up, and she never will actually properly catch up on her studies. Now at this point, we have the first of letter that Leilani writes herself. And she's eleven years old at this point. It's the only letter we have of hers. Until she's nineteen, there's another letter but will see that it's copied and in another letter but this is the single letter that we have of her before she's nineteen. and. She's right about at the same time that this last letter was written. He's at the Lamont at the boarding school and she's writing to her mother. Dear mother. I was very naughty yesterday. All right. There are the struggles I never learned my lessons and is not pleased with me. Today was day and we have the whole day off and and is going to take us to the garden. Today we are going to have lots of fun. The bishop gave us an extra day off for the Easter holidays. So this is something we don't see too much these days but. I can still remember in the Catholic Grade School to which I went that the pastor would come in would speak to the class and once in a while to the surprise and delight of the students I'm not sure of always the teachers he was just declare a holiday or something like that. So bishops or priests would do this and obviously the Bishop has done this in this case. The bishop gave us an extra day off for the Easter holidays. I. Am very glad about this and I will try to win the Rosette which is some kind of award for some kind of doing something well. Our little selene and Tarez well, I'm looking forward to the Easter holidays very much. I will try not to cause and grief because I, love her very much so that that's the heart of gold. That's the the goodness of heart. And I will please her lots to please you goodbye. Dear parents and all the family. I'm going to be very good. Leoni. Martin. All right unfortunately. Things don't remain this way. So this is in either February or March in our in the month April the aunt is writing to her her brother is the door and her sister-in-law. So. I'm expecting say lead tomorrow it won't be joyous visit is you she must fetch her Leoni so. Again for a second time they they've just realized we can't go on this way. It's too disruptive. She's not studying. It's too difficult. What can we do with this poor Leoni and there it is so poor and What across how I pity my dear sister Hollywood would like to be able to help her but I can't do anything nothing at all. However, I hope in the Lord. Yes, and with all my strength I have so much faith in. Him. I do not distrust him in the least I know so well, you can do what he likes. I shall hope him and not be confounded. and. Then she hasn't finished the letter and now it's five days later and she continues to write and in the intervening time. Lee has come and taken on. Friday, the tenth of April I saw say Lee she was very resigned. She thinks that when children are not like others, it is the parents duty to carry the weight of looking after them. But in the meantime, she doesn't know what to do. You can just imagine this was her last. Hope this was the second time this enter, it didn't work. What can we do? Where do we turn? What do we do? But in the meantime, she doesn't know what to do and she is going to keep her. So at home rather than a boarding school, her pain is great. She was so confident that the gentleness and love of the visitation convent would change her daughter, and now this hope has vanished I hope that God will come to her aid. Such a roller coaster for them I mean, that's what it is. Oh my gosh. MAKES ME WANNA cry been there. And so have so many others. It is such a roller. Coaster Father Gallagher. It's a side of the Martin family that I think it's a story that's unknown. You know other than the very few people who have looked into an east life it will become better known. As a of canonization proceeds. But thus far. It's a part of this whole wonderful saga of the Martin family that as I think. It has not been explored enough and I'm so glad that in this way at least we're making it available and if I could add this father what. Were beginning to see here it because of Teresa's story, we heard references to Leonie that issue was the trouble child. She had all these difficulties but no one I think because we are so focused on tresor really looked. At this troubled child. And Net. There is so much more going on there than just trouble endure I mean sometimes we label people. And we don't really see the deeper depths. Of what's what's happening? And what God may be doing with that child in that moment in with those parents. I think that's an important lesson to don't. You think I think so very much. Yeah. Yeah. There's a providence working through all of this. What's coming to mind is she say that is something that only realized as I started to get into the story of Leoni. We have this moment in Tarez story of a soul after Sali's death. WHEN CELINE TURNS TO Marie the oldest sister and says from now on, you'll be my mother and then Tarez who imitates sellin turns pauline and says from now on, you'll be my mother. And there's a beauty in that story. But what I never ever thought of was the forgotten child. What about Leonie? Who Did she turn to her? She had no one and somehow he just tended not to even notice these kinds of things. And so I think it's beautiful to start to notice it and to realize that there's an amazing story here that's unfolding through a lot of sorrow and main. But I think an important story of grace and you know I don't easily use words like amazing and incredible. But this is a story of incredible really say. If Laney is able to have the life that she had than. There is not one of us has any reason to give into discouragement. OR SUCCUMB TO I can't do it. I have this failing I'm too weak. I doubt that. Well, it won't be very many of us if any of us at all listening who can say that we had to deal with the same struggles that lay had to deal with. These letter, this is written two months after Leonie has returned home from the second failed attempt and she's writing her sister-in-law Celine. I know you've learned from her aunt at Limo of my poor Leonis departure from the boarding school as you can imagine this upsets me greatly. That doesn't say it enough. This has caused me profound sorrow continues two months later. No. My sister was my only hope to reform this child and I was convinced they would keep her. But it wasn't possible in spite of their best goodwill and you have to say that the sisters were really good to the children the two daughters who went there Marie and Pauline. They loved the school forever so much so that pauline when eventually she'd realized her called to religious life had planned to enter there as a visitation sister at that convent until grace led her to the Carmo, he wasn't possible in spite of their best goodwill or else they would have had to separate her from the other children. As soon as she found herself in their company, she couldn't control herself and displayed a lack of discipline without equal as one scene in the family when she is just utterly uncontrollable shouting and finally Louis who is the gentlest of all men has to get very firm with her otherwise nothing would have stopped this. Finally I believe that only a miracle could change her nature. It's true. I don't deserve a miracle and yet I hope against all hope. So a daily never lost hope even when everything looked. Like there was no hope she never lost hope that things could change in her daughter's life. The more I see her being difficult. The more I convinced myself that God will not permit her to remain that way. I'll pray so much that he'll let himself be swayed. Think of a Saint Monica. You know that kind of thing at the age of eighteen months she was cured of an illness that could have killed her. Why would God has saved her from death and not planned to show her mercy? I would have liked to take her on the pilgrimage to putter they Monja which leaves on June twenty fifth because it was through the intercession of blessed. Now Saint Margaret Mary that she was cured before but I can't get away at that time. On the other hand I'm intending to take her every year to Notre Dame DC as which was a shrine to marry. On the Feast of the Immaculate Conception in fact when they need health is so bad early on after her birth. Louis other made a pilgrimage on foot to that trying to ask for the healing of his daughter. I could lose my mind over it. But thank God I'm consoled by other things Marie and Pauline are as well as possible saline and Tarez show a lot of promise. You've been listening to a sister of Saint says. Servant of God Leoni, Martin Bear of hope with Father Timothy Gallagher to hear and or to download this episode along with hundreds of others. Spiritual formation programs, visit discerning hearts, Dot com, or you can find it on the discerning hearts free APP. This has been a production of discerning hearts in cooperation with the oblates of the Virgin Mary. We hope that if this has been helpful for you that you will I pray for our mission and if you fearless worthy considering a charitable donation, which is fully tax deductible to help support our efforts. 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Episode 71: Draft Kit Companion -- FFPC Strategy

Establish The Run

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Episode 71: Draft Kit Companion -- FFPC Strategy

"And Welcome to episode seventy. One of the official established the run DOT COM podcast. My name is Adam. Levitin one of the CO here at Etr. The most beautiful beast of course Jerry, my beloved, one and today. We have very very very exciting. News I am absolutely thrilled to be joined. By the newest member of the establish run family, happy to introduce everyone to our freshly minted director of analytics is the One and only Mike Leoni Aka two hats one Mike. Mike what's going on welcome? Thank you for that really nice welcome. Adam really excited to join the talented team here at Etr to get to work. It's. Kind of a dream winning this position so I'm excited. Yeah, people always ask me like Adam. What do you tell like when you need You know adults then when you meet people to ask what you do. I always say yeah I'm in I'm in predictive analytics right because they don't really know what that means, and and and it sounds fancy sounds like A. A real job, but that's actually what might does instead of coming out of my ass, so so yeah very happy to have Mike here I. think Super excited by the potential and I also immediate impact I think Mike will have on our content. Our products obviously Mike. It's been a long time winning high stakes. The players also studied season long a time Relatively rare Mike. That people use all these like advanced skills like python are for strictly fantasy football. Usually these people are like solving the world's problems, but I'm happy to have someone who's using these skills or something as important as fantasy football I. Think complement the strange that we have on the team are ready out, really really well, so yeah, I dunno welcome predictive analytics. It's actually a real thing It is, and it sounds much better than when I first started just writing blog posts and stuff for fantasy baseball via as you said those conversations with people explaining what you do I can make it sound much more prestigious now that I am a director of analytics exactly yeah, eventually do show. We get to know Mike little better. His background what directly regulates means exactly where you guys will see his. His impact on the site in the content et Cetera, but for today we wanted to do kinda quick deep dive behind our F, F. PCC rankings talk about some overarching strategy. Some courts to be aware of and we're GONNA. Do this for all. Our rankings moved through the summer. If you go to the site, we have rang available for every kind of format always adding more so we'll do like A. PODCAST, I want to call it. A companion podcast in this is for F. PC. We'll do one for NFC for best ball for four to quarterback for auction. ETC, so yeah, just consider this draft kit companion podfather FPDC's. Rankings you know obviously I think. Pick the right players. Right is what used do to win, and that's what people are going to say. That's Kinda like the level one approach. Of course you need to pick the right players, and that's clearly are made focus, but there's so much more to a fantasy draft than that I think strategical element particularly into again tough competition, so there's an element we hope to add here. It's of compliment things, but yeah I mean pick. The right players is not in actual strategy right? Of course, everybody's trying to pick the right players. Yeah if you if you're only strategy is depict better players than the rest of the competitors in your lead. You're doing the exact same thing they are they. They're picking better players. You think your picking better players and I think with the. Purses at each yar with you and Spilka were putting people in a position to pick those better players, but as you said it has. A ceiling to what they can do for you, and that's where a lot of stuff I'm going to be working on is intertwining. Pick the right players with structural drafting and. Really trying to find the equilibrium to what's the best Rosser construction? What are some techniques to give your team? You know the most upside necessary to achieve a high standing while incorporating the fact that obviously we liked certain players more than the marketers. Certain players lost in the market. Yeah, for sure in like it just cracks me up so much people Berry Hanky for making some bad picks a GM like it's really really hard to be Andrea. Percent Consistent. Picking the best players can give yourself a strategy. There's so much more upside to be gained by the way before we going further. I almost forgot to say. Say Our early bird special is in fact, live includes a draft kit in season and the twenty five dollars F- F PC coupon all for one hundred nine nine dollars very easily will be. Our best offer of season won't last long, so head to the site. Check it out. All kinds of content schedules on there to art. Let's get the F. FCC for this has don't know FFA. PC is a higher stake season-long platform. They run some big big large field. GP's Kinda like DFS like kind of you know relatively small buying three hundred hundred bucks whatever huge first-place prize I think five hundred thousand kind of like the invest in that it's extremely top-heavy, but it's just for season-long, and they'll say best ball and everything. ETC, so yeah, it's an interesting format extreme, top heavy nature of these large field tournaments I think brings in even more strategy to play, but I wanna start with something just simpler, I the format and the format enough FCC is different than most. Most because you only have to start to wide receivers, you see that very often in fantasy football these days, the format as quarterback, running back, running back wide receiver, wide receiver, tight end to flex spots, no quarterback, but to flex spots, kicker in defense, and so you get into a spot where at surly position like wide receiver in theory, you only have to start. To wide receiver so first of all, what do you think about that format? And how does it affect what our strategy should be when you when you have double flags to outer CBS starting requirements? It definitely changes the wide receiver running back dynamic as you said wide receivers so deep this year, and it becomes even deeper when teams don't feel that pressure to wide receiver early to fill that third wide receiver SPA and. The conversation nowadays revolves around zero running back and part of that is you want to kill people in that third wide receiver spot? You really want to bury them because you're taking wide receivers earlier and you lose some of that age in this format so I do think it pushes you to take running back a little bit earlier than you would in another format, not being forced to start three receivers and having a little bit of a reprieve there, and if you hit a multiple early running backs, you can hit them. You start them in your flock spot another component which we're in talk about Tom. Premium, but SORTA combination of tight and premium, and the two spots also allows you to play multiple tight ends, and on a lot of platforms really just wouldn't even consider that so. You've already seen in two different ways where. You can get by without loading up on wide receiver early, which isn't to say that you should avoid wide receivers early, but the dynamics a little bit different I do think the FTC market tends to overreact to that, though so you end up in this weird middle ground where it's true that the wide receivers are devalued a little bit, but almost devalued too much by the market right? Yeah, and we're GONNA talk about wide receiver more second year, but you can still start four like you know like people make all you can only start to. You only have to start to, but you can still start. Four wide receivers getting wiser. Deaf is certainly be a contrarian strategy, but we'll talk. Talk that more to second scoring quirk that wanted mentioned. My gardy alluded to is one point five points. CPR FOR TIGHT END AK. Tight end premium, so everybody else gets one point. Poor reception attended one half win. Perception I think I haven't done any data research like Mike has I initial anecdotal take What seemed right to me is that people are still overvaluing titans, even though it's tight. Premium and people are going absolutely nuts. There are spending more capital. They should at the position in their bumping titans way too far up. I'm curious. Mike, if the research has shown, that is the case on tight ends, or my the donkey for thinking that people are overvaluing titans in this format. I think people, my overvalue the fringe tight ends that don't have this huge catch up side, but up at the top you will get a guy like travis calcium ninety seven, all's last season. That's like spotting him eight touchdowns against a wide receiver and I think when you frame it that way. I mean eight I'm. He only scored five touchdowns all season. You spotted in eight so to me. Someone like him. Once you get past those early start running backs in the middle of the first round. He's already in option. You know kittles an option at the one to turn because. You get an edge in two ways one that bonus you get over the wide receivers who aren't getting de extra half point per reception. But within the position itself, because a lot of the titans once you get past the premier ones. Don't catch a ton of balls yet. The gap between Kelsey and an average tied I just grows even wider. Only twelve titans caught more than forty five balls last year, so Yo- Kelsey, between those guys, let that a forty catch difference which again that's twenty points. That's three touchdowns. You're spotting him Brucie's times where he's already killing them across the board, so I do think up top. Make sense to bump up that I hear tight ends and really anyone you think has eighty catch upside. I would like to get I would like to get someone in Silva's top four tiers of titans I don't think you can just play that rule game with cheap titans especially, if you're talking about a football, guys, championship, which is you know their most popular contest, and what ranks are tailored after a where it's a very top heavy, and you want that upside really across your entire roster. Yeah, and so my early strategy I've been doing draft so far. This year has actually been opposite of with. With Mike said, and I a don teddy premium, but like I actually think the position is Kinda deep right like let me take three of Hayden. Hers Fans Hopkinson Gutter Jar win in Ian. Thomas, whatever whichever ones you like, and let me take three of them, and hope that one goes. You Know Fobel Darren Waller for me. You know, and so I think for FTC. Your suggestion is I need to adjust that in. That's not that viable to take three of those late round ones. I think so, but even like that that those guys you mentioned are within like those top four tiers and I do think some of those guys individually will taken too high, but there is a chance that you take the last that tear, and you're okay and someone like Hayden hers to you. Mention you Austin Hooper caught. What seventy balls last year and thirteen games for Atlanta that's eighty catch upside guy, so you really want that. Catch upside, and the issue is once you get past those guys you mentioned. The volume is just not there for people you know. Someone Johnny Smith who I like, but in this format. As just don't think he's GonNa see enough targets rack the catches to really take advantage of the time premium scoring and the way the mistake people make is assuming all tight ends are instantly way better because tied on premium scoring. Not You need guys who have the potential catch auto balls right in our rankings on the site reflected in the draft yet. We have FFB's civic rankings. We also baked in some of. The! F.! B., C., ADP into. Our F. FCC rankings when you explain to people why it's important to be aware of the market and bake in the market somewhat when you're when you're doing rankings for specific site. It stems a little bit from when we started talking how. Play you'll pick the best players only go so far right? You need to have a list that really. A super actionable draft day. You know that's what we're trying to create. An a might seem counterintuitive at first to bake in the P. because a lot of people, their main goal is I wanna be eighty P as much as I can and the. Why would you bake that in and one is? It's only baked in a little bit, so you're still going to be taking the dies. We like more than eighty P and avoiding the guys like. Like less than ADP, but it's for starters, it's good to account. Just have a little bit of humility and realized the market's pretty efficient. It's pretty smart, and if you're way off on a guy, maybe you should dial that back a little bit so I think that's one reason. It makes sense I think the second reason it makes sense is even if you're right and your way off on ADP verse. These guys and you're right you still. Still have to operate within the market that you're playing, or you might end up with bad team, even having vastly superior rankings. We could see that with if you're playing now. These are for football championship, but if you're playing a best all and you think all these running backs are going to early, but you just don't end up with any of them. Will we know structurally? You built a bad team even though your rankings and may be in. In a vacuum, your players that you took over these running backs were cracked and the third reason I like it is you're trying to build a super team and a lot of times you run into that dilemma of do I take the guy have ranked higher or do I try to take someone who's got a better eighty P and get that guy like better later knowing that we've baked in the ADP already. We've sort of answered that question. And Mike Evans Dj Morrissey. Good where we like Dj more a little bit more than Mike. Evans, which is contrary into the market, so if you're in the middle of the third round and you between the two. We've got Mike advil higher even though Dj Moore's higher, our pierpoint perception regions, and you have the chance on or scientific Mike Evans here and maybe you get Dj more in the fourth round. Right mic sense all right. Let's go to the running back marketed F. FCC. Going really fast as your in all formats, but even faster an F. FCC for some of the reasons that we already mentioned you'll get to start. To wide receivers and I also think there's like a cultural issue a lot of the drafters on F. FCC at the guard more conservative with the way they play in, so they're meeting on running backs with big media projections in terms of workloads, like for example, Melva Gordon twenty seventh overall ADP on F.. FCC Jonathan Taylor thirty third guys cream hunt fifty-six, Aaron Jones E. T.. Nelson Seventeen so yeah, what do you think about how the FTC market is handling running backs, and in a year where everybody's taking running backs so high prioritizing them so high in the first three rounds. Should we be them even more in this F. FCC format. It's it's difficult some of it I. Think's overreaction because last year is. A historically bad year for zero running back. If you look at the top performers I think some of it. There are some trends that support. You'll be an even more for running backs or Is You'll one we've seen more time splits at the Ryan back spot, so anyone who's not an time split all of a sudden as the ceiling that other guys don't. That becomes really more important and I also think that limits the amount of your quote. Unquote zero RV candidates later. That can really help you know. There's nothing more frustrating than getting the injury or the situation unfolding that you want only to have your guys, split and not really benefit. Yeah, you know amount of league winners. Has Reduced a little bit Some people may argue that's recency biased, but I think. That and in conjunction with teams, passing more and spreading the ball out more means there's more wide receivers available later, so it makes sense to value the running backs more early, but. The market's gone too far in like these football championships. You know where their stardom leagues. They're not best ball. And you still have an advantage of taking the elite wide receivers. You still have the advantage of your competitors taking fragile running backs in the second and third round. A the thing would episode is just hard to go like full full zero running back. You probably want to get at least one in the first five rounds somewhere. Somewhere yes, and I want to ask you about best ball vers active leagues in how the strategy there is different but I do WanNa touch on wide receivers before we do that real quick, and and what you mentioned about why she was his true. I mean more so many more teams are running Levin personnel with three wide receivers on the field as a base, so many more teams are having a deep wide receiver coarser able. Able to contribute, and it's really pushed down and there's fewer running backs with full is really pushed wide receivers down, plus you only have to start to so for example like Silva Has Adam feeling, twenty third overall in its top fifty but F. F. C. ADP's forty three. He has tear maclaurin thirty seventh overall in his top one fifty F., p. c.. ADP's fifty-seven is just absurd value to be had at wide receiver throughout in. In this format and again you can start four, and it's Volpi. PR, so if you're an active league. I think there's really some case to taking a value. In the early rounds of wire, see room you could have. It absolutely stacked wide receiver core than again. You could wait to like six seventh round than have very fine wide receiver core. Also so how are we handling wide receivers in this kind of unique F. FCC format. So I think if you're picking the beginning of the draft. That's where you to be so easy to take that start running back, but you're towards the back into the draft, and there is not a running back there. You think as we upside. You can try your rb approach. I did a draft with a Davis Matic. The wrote a world rumble, which was twelve experts in a PC football, guys, championship, and from the alive and spot. Davante, Adams fell and at that point. It was. Do we want to take? A Kenyan drake versus devante Adams. You know we took Davante Adams Kenyan. Drake goes and then. You know. We think that's too early for Josh. Shakeups Aquidneck, Chubb even with knowing that Arby's are more valuable in this format, so what George Kill and then got Amari Cooper in the third round, so you can. When you're starting when you have to make those start decisions some of the value of the super deep wide receiver. You can still make up for by having a much better wide receiver, whereas when you're playing basketball, you can, and you don't have to choose who you're starting. Because wide receivers volatile, and you can draft wide receivers balk that advantage of taking a really wide receiver early mitigated a little bit, so that's like the key difference between how you're approaching wide receiver in my opinion, so if you get at the end of the first second round I don't mind. Mind a pretty wide receiver had the approach, and then at the three four turn yield. There's a couple running backs out there. You know who he likes specifically, but Chris Carson David Johnson James, Connor, those guys that have the potential to be a really valuable running back that you're just going to take a chance that there and they'll be your rb one right. Yeah, and I'm actually doing a podcast with Corinne tomorrow and we're GONNA. Talk more about zero. Zero RV and had approach in kind of strategies lobbies this year read his article on the site right now to about how to approach are be if you want to take a train approach I'd also say that inactivity like a big thing if you don't prioritize running back early, you're going to need some injuries that happen in your needs. Be Able to pounce on the waiver wire whereas in best ball. It's much harder or impossible do that. There's no. No transaction so inactivity is i. think it makes more sense to try to say hey. I'm going to be more aggressive to be more active on be grinding harder than my opponents and therefore I. Better chance to find rb down the line where you know high workload running backs had such a higher injury rate than high workload wide receivers Joshua's Myers has proved that plenty, so yeah, I think that's another thing to think about waging best bobbers active. Just to piggyback on that Real Quick when you're playing a regular bus ball league, not a tournament week one is the council same as week sixteen and some of the idea behind building your rb team, happy wide receivers to have just absurd super team come the playoff weeks and and football guys championship that super important. Get that upside in a regular best ball league. That's just one hundred sixteen. There's no surplus advantage to having your team being better at the end of the year Okay, let's get to your article and Mike did a ton. Ton of research about stacking season-long. Obviously, anybody's who's listening to me or whatever? We've talked tons about stacking Even the most elementary DFS players are stack now. You know it's funny. When back in twenty fourteen in two thousand fifteen, it was like a novel concept like stack and Stack with more than one pass catcher announced just like so standard, but anyways might did a ton of research through a lot of methods i. don't even really understand, but his idea was examined. How and why if an if really stacking works in season long? And so why don't you the general overview of what you did what the process was? What question you were trying to answer with this tax season? Long question, the primary question I was trying to answer is when a quarterback has an above average season and I developed different benchmarks for that. What is the impact on the pass catcher? Are they following suit? Are they following suit and meaningful way and the short answer was yes, yes, they are If you look at quarterbacks, who in my article I described as a medium, hit or better or a big head that's roughly twenty five percent of quarterbacks over the last three seasons in the top three hundred F., F. P. C. ADP who have. Outperformed their ADP expectation by fifty points you know, and topped at least immediately quarterback, score and twenty five percent of QB's like. It's not like we're whittling down to just the very best qb's. And even with those qb's their pass catchers so wide receivers and tight ends our taken. On the first eighteen rounds or so they exceeded their. Seventy one percent of the time, which is a pretty big hit rate. If you compared to all other receivers, they're more closer to fifty percent. And not only that, but they outperform their ADP expectation by thirty one points on average, which is pretty meaningful when the average wide receiver frady expectation courses zero so. If you reverse the correlation and you look at the past catchers I am broke them up individually instead of as groups. The result was the same when you have pass. Catchers at were pretty big hits. You know roughly twenty five percent of the best pass catchers relative to ADP. The quarterbacks really performed much better than ADP expectation, and it's such a simple. Concept same as it is in DFS, but when an offense has a really good season, everyone's going to benefit and it sounds like you didn't need all this research to determine that, but it was helpful to put a number on it because it really sticks in your mind that okay. If I want to hit my upside atop heavy league, which basically every fantasy leagues top heavy to an extent, why would I make a three lighted on correlated parlay and he'd have A. A quarterback receiver entitled the aren't linked together in any way when I could hit a three legged quarter, three legged correlated parlay by taking a quarterback with his receiver, and his tied at yeah, and I think a lot of it is fear from people right like we don't want to take a quarterback in his to pass catchers, because if having mediocre a bad year like we're just completely dusted, right like we're GONNA. Lose the league. I think your point. Is that well? If you don't do something correllated. Capping your upside and your likely outcome is in like third to fifth place, range, or something like that rather than giving yourself a chance to I, but I think there's something about people that are just a little bit scared to get all their eggs in one basket. If you know what I mean. If feels weird, but the median expectation for League is that you're GonNa win zero dollars. You're going to finish sixth or seventh out of twelve. And you're not GonNa win anything so the reward is. Much more important than the risk in that situation, these were double up leagues or something. You might have a different. Answer I. It kind of reminds me of. The game show problem where you pick, there's three doors and you pick door number one, and then they show you. Nothing's behind door number three and they're like you WanNa, switch and the answer is yes you wanNA switch. We game through probabilities as you. WanNa switch, but What you're seeing tangibly. It doesn't feel like you're doing anything right. It just feels completely random, and but you are increasing your expected value. I sort of feel like that's how it is with stacking where it doesn't feel like okay I take Jarvis Landry over cushing Kirk here because I wanNA stack him with bigger Mayfield and Odell Beckham, it doesn't feel like you're doing anything important, but. When you run the math at the end of the day, you are increasing expected value and to be clear. You're not advocating for stack season-long only in these large field tournaments. You're also advocating for stacking in a standard like F. FCC standard twelve team leaves. You can just play. It's not a tournament. Unions play like a standard. Fancy your advocate for stacking those formats, too. I think so I really because. Even a twelve team league pays out maybe two or three spots. It's still top heavy a think people need to realize that still conscious top heavy, and they shouldn't be stacking, and it is hard at times to actually do it especially, because we're generally taking a pass catchers before the quarterback, so, but you can think of had. There's a lot of stackable quarterbacks. They're going really late and I. Think quarterbacks in F. F. P. C.. If you're planning a football, guys championship, you should generally only be taking one quarterback Max two quarterbacks, because you wanna fill your bunch spots with upside guys at the skill positions. Positions and as a result, that wrote a world rumble draft I did a Ben. Rothlisberger didn't get drafted. Baker Mayfield won the nineteenth round. Who guys like I think Jared Goff might not have gone to after he Matt Ryan when in the Fifteenth Round so there, guys. You can take earlier knowing that you're GONNA have chances to staff. You know we like Juju Smith Schuster relative to eighty. I know people are really high. John Day Johnson. There's Jarvis. Landry is one of our favorite targets. You compare him with Baker Light. There's a lot of opportunities to be thinking about early in the draft without sacrificing. Know that you're moving out too many spots to take these guys. All right, perfect anything else you WANNA say specific to. In the ranks in the site for F. F. P. C. before we get out of here. Just note with quarterback, Best Ball and football championships completely different, you can way a long time and football guys check because people know you're taking one or two, but when you're taking playing baseball and you're supposed to take three twenty eight rounds. This scarcity changes and the quarterbacks are go a lot earlier. Law. We will be back for more companion pods as the summer moves along with all of our rankings in the meantime take a minute to follow Mike on Twitter at two hats. 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