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WWHL @ Home: Dua Lipa & Lena Dunham

Watch What Happens Live with Andy Cohen

24:09 min | 3 months ago

WWHL @ Home: Dua Lipa & Lena Dunham

"Welcome to the Bravo clubhouse for the podcast edition of Watch. What happens live with me? Andy Cohen. You want to Lena on meet tonight. It's watch what happens. Live at home with Dua. Liba and Lena Dunham we tried. Guys what can I tell you now? Not Everybody welcome to watch what happens. Live at home of Andy Cohen. Joining you from my apartment with two guests who I know will form a genuine connection as long as none of our WIFI connections crap out. That is my first. Guest is a Grammy Award winning artist. Who's giving the music industry new rules to keep up with? You should download her album. Future Nostalgia Right now you guys. It is unbelievable. I love it song in the summer. Physical I could go on and on please welcome quarantine in London. Do a leap a high do elite Guy. I ain't saying rate to sell you this year. She is a writer actress and producer among many other things. Who's probably using warranty master? A few dozen other professions you can listen to our podcast. The seaward available exclusively on luminary joining us from the West Coast. It's Lena Donna Lena. An honor I'm with one of my favorite people in the world and one of the people who doesn't know that they're my favorite person in the world but now I can to them. Do you been instrumental in at least nineteen breakup of mine. I'm so grateful to you. Oh my God I'm I'm so. I'm so happy to seven the way Lena shoutout. You've got like the West Coast version of my clubhouse happening there. I absolutely love it. Well I live with my best friend. Paul Monroe whose incredible designer artist. He made the jewelry I'm wearing he We run the We work together to promote the estate of his deceased wife. Who's an artist named Beer Langton? Who made this very sweet troll? So I feel like we're trying to bring that Pasi joyful bright eighties queer energy to you right now. No one does eighties energy better than I do now. Song together is a total bob by the way the whole album is full of them. All Joe how describe this guess pairing and attacks to my mom after the show less? Let's test their compatibility with one to do not. I'm going to ask you both questions and then I'm GonNa Count. One to do. Alina you yell out your answers at the same time. We're going to see how you are you hacking that if we're not compatible. I'm going to be heartbroken so we've got. I think if we're not compatible with still friends they wished you prefer girls night in or girls night out one to do. Alina girls and yeah okay. You both chose girls night in. Who is your favorite Spice Girl? One to do Alina Bank. Oh Okay what do you do? If and despise your friends significant other tell them or stay out of it one to do. Lena stay out of it. I can tell so far okay. What's the hotter. Bad-boy? Look piercings or tattoos one to do Tactic is okay. There you have you ever slid into another celebrities. Dm's for some light flirting. Yes or no one to do Alina. Yes yeah okay no points I. If you what to admit who the celebrity ones well written say something. I'm going to say something. It was one of the skarsgard brothers and I can't remember which did get a response. Lena Lake Cozy One. I mean I have a confession to make in mind with my boyfriend so like arts and school. So let me ask you this. Is that how the relationship started? No we actually map barbecue then carried on. I love what instagram is the new tinder. I I'm like I'm all for it all right. Every episode of Lena's podcast. The C Word examines a famous female from history and explores why some society deemed her crazy. So I thought she could spill the Santa not on some women who sometimes blurred out the other C word. Lena I WANNA go through some real housewives. You tell us why they're not crazy with going. Bravo Listrik okay. Ramone why is Ramon not crazy? Listen Ramona is a practical woman. Who knows how to exert. She knows when to say no. She knows that knows a complete sentence and she's not suffering fools. We need to demonize that very good. Okay Shannon storms door in Orange County. Well okay firstly shantz front door. No that when a relationships not working out sometimes you have to turn to the eastern arts. Okay she's working hard to hold him down and bringing acupuncture into it. What's the problem Beverly Hills Kyle Richards? Well this is. I know how Richardson Crazy is. Because she is Swedish sugar because when I came out to La for the first time. When I was seventeen and I was sitting in Yemen. Marcus trying to find a pair of shoes that were appropriate for a little party. I was invited to. She talked to me for forty five minutes and then said this might not be the store for you. I'm going to text my niece Paris and recommended another place. I was just some random child. Nice that's really good okay Porsche Williams Atlanta portion knows that when a man is trifling. It's time to bring your whole the whole the whole power of your female unit into it. So I liked that. She didn't let him back into her life. After the cheating situation without the mom the sister he had to go through all the hoops. I think calling in your female squad. V8 Your family. Your friends is the least crazy thing. You can do very good. Thank you very much. Lena Dunham I love your wisdom. Do A has said that. She wanted her album to sound like a dancer size class. But if either of my guests try to dance around these next few questions so realize they're messing with the wrong mother. Tucker because joining us to grill them. Both as Rupaul drag race contestant G GOOD. Hey G G good he is with fireplace to and Lena Sean you stay right there because this queen wants the with. That's a good question. What's your first question. Gee Gee Miss Linda what was your least. Favorite storyline on. Girls was my least favorite story. Line on girls. Great question there is. There was a part where I was like. My character was like descending into mental illness and she cut own hair and I was like I had a half way and I was supposed to slice into that and I slice into my actual head and had to give myself a bowl cut and then Where it to the EMMYS so I guess that one next question. Gee Do connect can call me whatever you want honestly after seeing your your performance of the levitating. I was levitating shot. You can call me do or yes. I so I'm obsessed with it. The outfit the look the routine everything. No I'm lip home. God's developed let me start by saying that I'm such a huge fan of what you're putting out things them on a scale from one to ten. How would you honestly rate your most recent pink dye job on a scan of one to ten? I mean honestly at the moment might have is probably like a minus one sound like having up and trying to make it. Look all right. I feel like the pink died. Joe was probably the best thing that's happened to my hat in barnes ing them. I'm GonNa because been rough and it's been a rough time. Am I looking? How many weeks to go was the job? What am I looking out right now? The had pink and Ryan washed off and then I did orange and then that washed off and I'm going to do park will tomorrow. Who FOUGHT US? And that's been the fun bit all right last question. Okay Lena Your March cover story for COSMO. Uk. You revealed you recently and briefly engaged. Did You keep the Ring Well it was made of rope so it disintegrated. No that's on the way of my compost pile but hey appreciated the creativity for good cause I suppose makes for playing. You can catch G G good on Paul's drag race Friday nights on VH1. Thanks for stopping by Queen. Great descent in once upon a time in Hollywood. Lena got to star alongside Brad Pitt and with all due respect to the great should I TWAIN. That does impress me much. So Lena please indulge me as I ask you to spit on. I just want your spirit takes on working with Brad. Pitt's what was your first interaction with. Brad Pitt well. I actually had the pleasure of knowing a little bit previously. So I wasn't going in totally blind but when I showed up to set my part is I wasn't some I didn't have some major megastar part. I was in a really great ensemble of girls so I didn't expect I expected a friendly. Hello from Brad and I think what happened was the best thing that's ever happened to me. Which he was doing a scene where he was kind of parking a car on Manson ranch. And he's supposed to get out kind of look around and he looked around and saw me at the edge of frame and came over and pick me up and spun. It was like it was late in one of those movies. Where like the nerd shows up at the prom and then like like the hottest guy at schools like. Would you care to dance? Like he's what he is. He's truly kind person who can read the room and I was super nervous because I was around so many idols of mine and he made me feel pretty tea. Thank you very much. Alina DOT COM. That's that's good. That's everything I wanted to. He's a really really special person and there is one more thing that I was hoping to clear up about. Brad Pitt. Yaas tell me well. I don't know if you remember that there was a sort of awkward photo taken of the two of US kissing on a red carpet. Go waving Internet read. It was that I had like somehow physically accosted him causing him a great deal of stress. I would never force a kiss on Brad Pitt. I respect far too much as an artist and a friend and then later that night because he knew I felt nervous. He took me into a room. We secretly pizza and then I told him that I liked his ring and he gave it to me. Won't show that closer to the camera. I need to really. Wow I wear it and every time I wear it something. Amazing happens like every time I wear it a GER Oughta show with do Alita. I'm on a show which is like there's no time that this has. He was really kind and made sure I got pizza. Enjoy about something to take home. Those are good. Those that's operating on the honor you Brad. We I was talking to you. Your your album came out a couple of weeks before Quarantine so it's so wild but it's one of those albums that the second it came out ever. It was just kind of universally embraced. How were you reconciling the fact that the album will be heard all summer? It just probably won't be heard like on a crowded dance floor in a visa. I mean I. I'm so happy to see people just like dancing in that kitchens and if it brings a little bit comfort and light during this time than I I feel like I've done my job. Basically you turned quarantine into a pizza. I appreciate that because it was scary to put music out because I really wasn't sure whether felt like Kosovo people were suffering whether it was like the right time to to put an album out in feel like celebrating but at the same time. I made this record to get away for many anxieties or opinions of others or any pressures from the outside world and just wanted to make an album that made me WanNa Johnson had fun and I felt like just. I just needed to come out now. Lead the I always amazed by the amount of trouble. You're getting into for speaking your mind and you and I are always kind of what I have to say. You haven't heard about me for been so good but I'm I'm wondering it made me think because I was thinking going into this I was like. What trouble is Lena in that I can ask her about like she's really not any so let me read. Oh me this now that we're in quarantine and you look back on your roof of speaking your mind apologies you've had to make. Is there anything that you have had to apologize for that? You think you know what. Why did I have to apologize for that? There are some things I apologized for that. I think it was really great. It was a learning experience. I got to up my game with my human empathy. There are some things I apologize for. That were so bananas crazy. And like I think my I'm writing a memoir right now and I actually take the time to differentiate. It's like apologized for wearing a shirt without pants. That wasn't necessary apologized for feeding my dog. Salmon Street definitely not necessary. So it's like it's right. I think it's really important to evolve as a person. I think apologizing as part of that but I also think in my twenties. I was so confused because I had always just been this kind of like impish little Weirdo. Who tortured my parents? And then suddenly I was an impish little weird torturing America and the really. Nice thing about my thirties. That I've realized is that I don't have to say everything I think I can like. Teletovic troll that's awesome of do a Sam. G wants to know if you're aware that when you re released your song hallucinate. That gay people thought the song was an anthem to poppers. Did you know that I didn't know that? But I mean we'll ever flex vote really or tried killed reshape. This andy the one time. I did poppers because you know I love to surround myself with beautiful homosexuals. The one time I tried poppers in my early twenties it led to me eating a whole cheesecake. Don't think that's what's supposed to happen. I never gotten to Hungary from poppers. Just have to say there was no one around. Who was interested in doing the other thing? By the way that makes sense. That was another form of of bliss. do a do you know we'll be getting a deluxe edition of Future Nostalgia and I do. But I'm not ready to tell you guys yet but I do songs and you your hair. There were some songs that didn't make the album with Norman Bernie and Miley Cyrus. Will those be on the deluxe? Would you say well the one with Miley That we that we did together. We actually ended up deciding that we wanted to get into the studio and do something different but we actually had the chance to get back in like walk on something new so hopefully will do something. I guess when Corentin is over we can all hang out again Right hoping to do that and then the one with no money you might is good. I feel I just want to offer. If you in any way WANNA do a comedic remix of Don't start now like you know we can do things like aren't you? The guy who tried to sex with my best friend like anything that want to kind of rework. It kind of real specifics. I'm here for you okay. Puffing 'cause I mean honestly I the furthest I've gone with changing anything was if you don't WanNa if you don't want to see me dancing with with Sabi and let's my Achmat my. They're just gone by penny dating. Really Act Lena. Andrew J emailed wanting to know how. What is your current friendship like with Jack Antonoff? And Are you two in touch during quarantine? We are in touch all the time. I respect him so much as an artist. He's like truly my family. And we talk phone all the time and he mocks me ceaselessly. Well on project runway Carly Claw says one day. You're in and the next year out but for tonight's moment of Mazal she's reminding us that staying connected never goes out of style. Take it away Carl. Handy and high what happens live I love your moments of muzzle and I am so happy that you're feeling better andy. Since I've been staying home one thing that's been keeping me. Grounded and inspired is staying connected saint connected to loved ones into my amazing code with classic scholars. We've done everything from virtually play Games together to they've participated in photo shoots with me. Because you know it happens over zoom these days and I would say anyone out there who's feeling a little restless maybe looking for a new skill to learn. Give coding and try. There's a ton of great resources that you can learn online for free and it's easy to do with the friend virtually so give it a shot sending you so much love. Ambi thank you Carl. Kloss love you great to see you and I wanNA thank too and Lena for being here. Thanks guys great society. You thank you so much. I'm be hype. The album is future nostalgia. The artist is due Aletha. It's so good Leon. Podcast is called the C word. It's available exclusively on luminary. You can read. Verified strangers available now on Vogue. Dot Com X. DO I was this whole hubbub after you gave strippers dollar bills. After the Grammy's and it I just thought it was so nuts. You know it seemed like a sexist response to I mean Male News I. I don't know something that kind of guys do all the time and no one thinks I mean absolutely in USA. It was a it was a private is a off often grammy body. That lizard was throwing I feel like I don't know. I think you know if you want to support women you have to support women will feel on you have to support sex WACKOS IN. That is a very. You know it's a it's a real job and I get real lert hordes it in every way And I feel like if if at any point the situation sell uncomfortable that the guys were uncomfortable. Something was happening. That wasn't know like it feels like maybe everyone was having fun. I was working to the girls. Everybody was kind of hanging out together. It was I don't know it just felt like a. I guess a safe environment for everyone around and I don't know it was Lena's doc- W wants to know how often you keep in touch with your girls co stars and can we expect a movie. I love sex in the city. And how do you think Hannah would be dealing with corona virus? It's really great question I talked to them. I MEAN JEMIMA. Talk to every day I am in you. Know Alison often is each other whenever we can. I was just texting with Andrew rannells. Alex KERKOC's around there my family and they always will be And I would love to make girls movie but I just WanNa make sure that enough time has passed that we really really have something to say and also I'm in you know I have a book coming out. I'm just about to shoot another movie. I have another TV project. That I'm developing so and and so it's really important to me that I have enough creative differentiations that I can go back in and do something intelligent that being said Hannah would even though Hannah's now a mother and a caring one she would be breaking quarantine every single night to meet man from tender. She'd be like let's wear an N. Ninety five mask and meet and a very private park all have no underwear on. She's a disaster. Do before we let you go it any idea how your album was leaked. I mean I know that. That's what precipitated the album coming out kind of early. Which we're all year did. Frankly do you guys? Were you ever able to figure that out? Yeah I mean. It came out a week earlier but it was. I guess because the physical copies of the CDs were already being sent to stores and that kind of makes it inevitable like albums legal the time the CD's stocking sent over. But we were like prepared because we were GonNa go the week off. This says like all right. We got golly. Let's do this. I'm sorry I did it. I was just knew was you. I knew it see. We solved it together. I WanNa thank to a leap. The album is future nostalgia. Lena Broadcasting Words. Thank you both so much. We Really Aplenty Simonov neighborhood too. Thanks for listening to the PODCAST. Everybody hope you enjoyed the show. Remember new episodes go live Monday through Friday at four? Pm Eastern time? Make sure your subscribe to have a great rusty you're nuts.

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Americas Unknown Celebrity Chef

Sidedoor

34:00 min | 2 months ago

Americas Unknown Celebrity Chef

"Hi side or listeners a quick message to say that this is a story. We've been working on for a few months now, but it feels especially Wadey in light of the events of the past few weeks. It's a story that takes place in segregated America and it resonates today in ways that indicate we still have a long way to go as a country. We're going to share it as planned, but we do want to note that the story makes mention of racial violence. This is side door podcast from the Smithsonian support from Pr. I'm lizzy. Okay? Well. I'm grabbing the cookbook now as we speak, but because I'm long overdue and making my Gumbo. Paula Rhodes is a lawyer professor and human rights advocate. He's also a really good cook. Okay from one thirty five of her cookbooks. That is a brief description of making of the. And, that's the base for lava. The recipe, not just the Gumbo. Paulo lives in Denver now, but she grew up in New Orleans and when I called her up, she was patient. Enough walk me through a New Orleans classic. Her grandmother's. A recipe. Starting with the Rue. Okay. You See. High Heat. Then you add flour. Concerned Till Light Brown. If you overcook them when you add liquids and stuff, it's not gonNA come out the right decision. Threat And onion. Okay here we go. And continues to spur until onions and flour or a Golden Brown. So that her basic recipe for a route. Paula learned to cook from her mother, who in turn learned from Paul's grandmother. Lena Richard Lena Richard died when Paula was just a baby, but Paul's heard lots of stories about her grandmother from her family, but also from relative strangers, because when Lena Richard was alive, just about everyone in new. Orleans new her cooking. She called herself a caterer. But she was so many things that it's hard to really determine. What to call her? This is culinary historian. Jessica be Harris. mean she was such a trailblazer, but an unknown trailblazer. A woman of Color in the Jim, Crow South Lena Richard defied the place assigned to her based on her race and gender to become a celebrity chef. She had her own televised cooking show more than a decade before Julia Child, she faced down barriers. We still grapple with as a nation today to claim her place as a culinary icon. This time on side door Lena Richards. Ordinary story and my very ordinary attempt her famous Gumbo. After the break. We WanNa tell you about another podcast. You might enjoy pin-drop from Ted on pin-drop. Russia moolah journeys across the globe to find surprising stories and ideas from each place with local journalists and creators is your guide you'll we've through the streets of Bangkok with a motorcycle midwife time travel with dinosaurs behind a hardware store in New Jersey and meet a guy who dresses up as a Lucia door to protect citizens from traffic in Mexico City. Listen to pin-drop wherever you get your podcasts. Lena Richard was only fourteen years old when she started working. which seems awfully young, but this was the early nineteen hundreds and for an African American girl in New Orleans going to work for a wealthy white family would have been pretty normal. Her mother was the made for a prominent New Orleans family. The verron family and Lena wasn't in school. She went along to help. She started off. You know preparing lunches for the children interest, some household tasks here and there this is Ashley, Rose Young Historian of the American Food History Project at this Onians National Museum of American history. And she has spent a decade retracing. Lena Richards life through oral histories and archival research and Ashley. Says Lena Richard might easily have grown up to follow in her mother's footsteps, but around nineteen years of age opportunity arose that really changed Richard's life, and that was the fact that the variance cook left the household and Mrs Varenne actually asked Richard is she could prepare dinner one night. Lena Richard wrote about that night in short autobiographical essay. She told me I could buy just what I wanted to. I got a chicken meat stew in head fruit for dessert. From this time on, it seemed there. No other cook could please her. We, asked New Orleans Chef de Levin to read Richards words for us for this episode. I was getting ten dollars a month and was raised to fifteen dollars. She then told me that I could go to the store and pick out any kind of cooking utensils that I wanted and that she was going to give me cooking lessons and send me the cooking schools and every demonstration. If, no other colored women could get places I certainly could. Leaner Richard had a very close relationship with Mrs Varenne. And once she saw this talent that Richard had cultivated at such a young age, she encouraged Richard to experiment in the home, and eventually she center to Cooking School in Boston. A renowned cooking school for women at the Time Crystal Mountain is curator of African American history and the division of work and industry at the Smithsonian's National Museum of American history is so what this report does is it allows her access to educational opportunity that was not only to her that would have excluded her based on race and her gender so in One Thousand Eighteen Lena Richard Age twenty or so heads north to Mrs Farmers Cooking School. Okay so do we have any idea what that might have been like for her? Women of color had to acquire the permission of every white woman in the class, so as to attend the class with them. Wait a minute. Every white woman in the class had to give written consent that they were okay with being in class with a black woman. Yes, you know, there's the stereotype that racial segregation was something of the American south, but racial. Racial segregation permeated every aspect of the United States. It was not the Jim Crow South. Who was the Jim Crow? Nation right and separate, but equal forms, the basis of a Jim Crow segregated society, blacks and whites cannot sit together. Richard ate her meals in a separate dining room from her white classmates, but the classes themselves were kind of a confidence boost. I found out in a hurry. They can't teach me much more than I knew. I learned things about new desserts sale. It's but when it comes to cook meats, stews, soups sauces in such dishes. We seven cooks have northern Kooks beat by a mile. That's not big talk. That's the honest truth. The eight week course gave Lena something more valuable than cooking instruction. It gave her credibility as a trained professional, a rare thing for a woman of color at that time. And it gave her an idea. A Cook, the couple of dishes like Creole Gumbo in my chicken boulevard. And they go crazy almost trying to copy down what I say. I think maybe I'm pretty good so someday I'd write it down myself. There's the seat of an idea that maybe one day she should actually write a cookbook in as we will see down the road. That's exactly what happened, but hold on. We're not there yet. I Lina returns to new. Orleans gets married and with the help of the Verron family connections and her new credit as a cooking school graduate. She starts her own catering business around nineteen twenty eight. This is culinary historian. Jessica be Harris again. Catering was a traditional path for African American women in food from street vending catering because. Setting up a restaurant was costly and everyone couldn't but Lena Richards catering stood apart from all the rest, so she was perhaps best known for this desert that she called Dream Mellon. And she called Dream Mellon because she came up with the idea in her sleep and it's sloughs. It's basically. An edible watermelon made completely out of ice cream in Sherbert and she would use little raisins as seeds. So once you take it out of the mold. You would have this perfect, dainty, little ice cream melon slice that you could eat through the ride, and people just loved it. They went wild for this dream Mellon. The local paper wrote that Lena Richards. Watermelon ice cream. Quote has delighted. Many New Orleans socialite, and usually rings gasps of admiration at such places as the New Orleans Club. Lena Richards edible artistry made her a star among the white new, Orleans elite, she could make anything from sculptural showstoppers to jump ally, red beans and rice too dainty tea sandwiches. She had the range reputation to build her business throughout the depression years in nineteen, thirty seven. She opened her own cooking school. Who? was very much. A racial component if you will to her desire to open that cooking school into specifically open it for African Americans so that they could get better employment, so she really had an eye to elevating the community as a whole and making a path for other young professionals you where there was a term I don't know if it was in use in New Orleans, but it was certainly in use. In the north of being a race man or race woman she certainly that she was out for the race. My purpose opening cooking school was to teach men and women, the art of food preparation and serving in order that they would become capable of preparing and serving food for any occasion, and also that they might be in a position to demand higher wages. The cooking school is one of the most important aspects of her career to me because it really shows how Richard was so invested in her community. And while she was teaching cooking classes, she was also teaching herself how to breakdown recipes into precise measurements and simple replicable steps, so the cooking school actually ended up being a laboratory of sorts for her to start working on that cookbook. She I had an idea for back at the Fanny Farmers School in Nineteen, eighteen twenty years after the idea began percolating Lena Richard Self published her cookbook in nineteen, thirty, nine the title. Lena Richards Cookbook so tell me about the cookbook. It is described by by some as the best creole cookbook ever written really. Yes, yes, I mean. This is an important work because. This is the first African American authored creole cookbook and that's huge. Now I want to bring up here. Importance kind of definition of creole cooking when I say creole cooking I mean cooking of the city of new, Orleans and as a port city, New Orleans very diverse population, and so it was many communities, coming together intention, and in in communion to create this cuisine that's very distinct to the city itself and actually says what's important for us to understand is how historically the cuisine of this diverse city was represented by only one group of people. The first creel cookbooks that were published published by White Authors and that started a tradition that privileged whites voices in defining creole cuisine. In fact, the first cookbook in eighteen eighty five cuisine creole was authored by someone who wasn't even a chef. His name was love Cardio. hearn any wasn't even from New Orleans. In fact, he just compiled these recipes from New Orleans and place them in this work to be sold, and so it's not until almost fifty five years later when Richard publishes the self titled Cookbook. That we have an African American author. Defining cruel cuisine on her own terms, and for her community, and that is so important. In that first cookbook from eighteen, eighty, five, the one by Lav Cardio hearn. There's a picture on the cover of a smiling African American woman, a head scarf and a checkered dress, holding a pot. The image of the stereotypical. Black Mammy. So this is a figure of a woman of color, smiling jovial kind of willing to quote unquote serve other people. In baked into this image are many stereotypes one of them that the skills? It took to run the House and Cook. The meals were not learned, but somehow inherent. The African Americans were innately good cooks. There are quotes to paraphrase pretty much. Say you know if the Big House Cook is ill just go down to the quarters and pretty much ask anybody, and they can come up and fill in. This is a very harmful stereotype as many scholars have pointed out including, Tony Tipton Martin who wrote this incredible book called the Jemima Code where she really homes in on this idea of how destructive in inch and Mima, stereotype can be destructive in in what sense it places. Women of Color who work in food industries in a subservient role. It makes them. Palatable inacceptable for white audiences, and that is racism at its core. And then you have a woman like Lena Richard, who has a self titled Cookbook who comes in and says I own these recipes. And I used hardware culinary classes technology to to build these recipes in an accessible, scientifically informed manner. She's much just doing this because it's intuition. Little bit of this little bit of that. She's a trained individual. In the preface of her cookbook, Lena Richard wrote the secrets of creole cooking which have been kept for years by the old. French chef or hearing revealed. There's no need to experiment I. Have done the experimenting in my own laboratory kitchen as well as in my cooking school. In the front of Lena Richards Cookbook there's no anonymous woman in a checkered dress. There's a portrait of Lena wearing pearls hair quaffed in a nineteen thirties wave smiling slightly. It's a professional headshot. And that just reverses the stereotype of the Jemima Code it puts. On its head. And It presents an entirely new image of what an African. American Cook Is. After the Break Lena takes her new book on the road north to show those Yankees how Gumbo made. Meanwhile I'll be checking on my Gumbo. Because I think it's time to add the shrimp. is at that. To. All Electric. Stock. A Lotta kids are learning from home these days, but text books and worksheets can be so boring. 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In an attempt to make Gumbo one of the three hundred thirty three recipes in Lena Richards nineteen thirty nine cookbook, the first creole cookbook published by an African American author, and unlike so many self published books. This one did not languish on bookstore shelves within a week of the book's publication, two hundred people sent letters from Philly New York and Boston, trying to order it in an era before Amazon. That's pretty remarkable historian Ashley rose. Young put it this way. Her book was blowing up. I mean it was? It was all the rage. So. What does she do next goes on book tour of course. Lena and her assistant, her daughter Marie head North Suitcases, bulging with ten pounds of cane. Syrup Louisiana Shell becomes old, fashioned, Brown, sugar and shrimp. We? Did she really pack shrimp? Yes, tried shrimp yeah. Hundred. Be sure she had everything she needed to give proper cooking demonstrations while promoting her book. But to travel all the way from new, Orleans to New York for Lena was a risk. And a warning for our listeners. This next section describes racial violence. How dangerous would it have been to travel as a black woman during that time? It could have been very dangerous in of dangerous in the sense that black women face the very real threat of sexual violence and sexual harassment because accommodations were segregated, they couldn't go to perhaps mainstream hotels and restaurants that puts women in a precarious situation, Smithsonian, curator crystal moten says it's important to remember that in this period following the Great Depression and World War One, leading into World War Two lynchings were happening the images of lynching. Lynching were circulating around the country. Lynching postcards traveled through the postal service, and so it was in the public consciousness in African Americans consciousness. Did you say lynching postcards definitely yeah, that speaks to when you ask about the danger. Bright lynching postcards depicted murders and were sent openly through the US mail until nineteen o eight when they were outlawed, but people still sent them just in envelopes. That's the environment. That leader Richard Amery were traveling. I, that's the environment. That's the environment. Many times lynching occurred not because of you know a suspected sexual violence against white women, but because African American folks were becoming economically successful, they were becoming threats to a social economic political order that threatened white supremacy, and so for Leaner Richard to say I am going. To step out of the societal structure that would have me be a so-called menial servant, this saying no to a culture where severe violent reprisals could happen as a result to pretty courageous that she made this trip to New York, but also that she was daring to. Place herself in that role of authority. That's right. During this book tour something amazing happens. A major publisher Houghton. Mifflin decides to republish Richards Cookbook for national distribution. For Lena Richard to be picked up by this huge mainstream. Press is just you know. It's astonishing really. Backed by Houghton Mifflin Lena Richards name starts circulating the country. And this is where she goes from local to national celebrity I. Think it's fair to say when a family like the rockefellers calls you and recruit to be the head chef of one of their. New restaurants I think that's how we might define celebrity rate when the rockefellers call you up. The Rockefeller's the one percent the oil tycoons at the Rockefellers Restaurant Travis House Lena cooked for high ranking, British military officials, and even Winston Churchill's family. She wrote Ms Churchill and daughter. Mary came back to see me and shook my hand. I've got Mrs Churchill's autograph in one of my books. She's got mine. People came from California New Mexico and Indiana to Taser dishes. I mean people came to the Travis Health because they knew. Richard was the head chef and they loved the particular dishes. She made there i. mean you can see that in the guest book reviews that people left the comments oh my gosh. My dearly seldom have I enjoyed a meal as much as I have in dining here. and. I have dined with royalty. I'm Lean Royce. Lena. Actually have character Lena. Richer Noyce. Are Super Stars are best. We've ever eaten my compliments. Your gifted fingers have given. And Sam at least and they aren't. But perfection. I mean those oysters. If I could go back in time and have any dish, it would be Lena. Richards scalloped oysters. So you see the Travis House really just building up in adding to a national reputation by the late nineteen forties, the now nationally known Lena. Richard was back in new. Orleans, they are. She started an international frozen food business opened her own fine dining restaurant, and nearly fifteen years before Julia child appeared on TV in the French chef. Lena Richard starred in her own cooking show when her program aired in Nineteen, forty nine on wd. TV The local channel in new, Orleans. This was a big deal I mean it was the first culinary program on wd, SETV. It was likely the first program in the country that starred in African American chef. The show was called Lena Richards New Orleans cookbook in each thirty minute episode. She guided viewers through one of her recipes. It aired twice a week alongside shows like Howdy, doody, Broadway revue and how to improve Gulf. I'm sorry. That sounds like the most boring show in the universe. Well, it also kind of indicates to wear the TV viewers at the time. Remember what a nascent medium! TV was back then. TV was only owned by the elite. In the late forties. We're not even talking about the degree of popularity. That TV had. In the days of Julia Child in this predates Julia Child by decades. But unlike Julia Child Show. We won't ever know what Lena Richards sounded like. Because no record of the show exists, so this is one of the heartbreaking things about studying Richard, story, which is that we don't have any recordings of her television program. We don't even have scripts and believe me I have looked at every archive imaginable, and and I just can't find this evidence. All we have to go by are the memories of new Orleanians who watched her show like root Sadyrin whom Ashley spoke with back in two thousand eleven. She remembered the kinds of meals. Lena Richard Prepared on the show. Introduce the. Breaking. Food. was talking to. Her our kitchen. Original. And when you watch, did you? Watch the show. Where did you take note that she said conquering? Ever. Decades after leaving the Verron family home at the height of her career Lena Richard was back in the homes of white families. But, in a completely new way. Black. Women were usually hidden away in the kitchen. Black woman were supposed to be seen and not heard right but that is not what is happening in this cooking show so here she is, she's seen An. She's heard. Right and she's not behind the kitchen doors. She's in the living room. That's right. That's right right and she's in the living room, perhaps reaching more people than she could have imagined. It is absolutely on fathomable. This is a black woman. On, TV. As an authority. Name Five in twenty twenty. They don't exist. By Nineteen Fifty Lena. Richard had built a culinary empire. Her book had sold so well. Houghton Mifflin was working on a second expanded edition. Her restaurant frozen food business in school were thriving. She'd hobnobbed with the churchills and the rockefellers. She was in New Orleans TV star. She was really just kind of starting out on this truly nationally known stardom. And so what happened after a year in some change after her TV program premiered, she went home, not feeling well in in November of nineteen fifty, she passed away of a heart attack and her story abruptly ends. Weiner Richard About fifty years old. Do you ever wonder what might have happened if she hadn't died so young and so suddenly? I think about it a lot actually. You know she is a role model of mine and I think a role model for many people who know her story and. I can't help but think about. What else she could have done. Had she been able to stay on TV at a time where those local programs started broadcasting nationally I, think she would be a household name. In the short time that she had. She did a Helluva la. God blesses. She kicked some. that. We're still trying to keep open. So it, says the last after season without and Seper, and just before serving, stir in feely. Moment of truth. They, Never Richards Gumbo. That's really. Really Good I think we call that a success. Lena Richard was born into a segregated country and she died without ever knowing that that would change. But she claimed a new place for herself publicly unapologetically in America's kitchens and living rooms in open the door for others to come was. Not just about. Cooking skills and abilities and stuff, but it was about. The community had been part of a community in the sheer. I mean it really was? It takes. It takes a lot to kind of be aware of the world you live in say. I'M GONNA create another world for myself and I think that's what Lena Richard did. You've been listening to side door a podcast from the Smithsonian with support for NPR. If you'd like to try Lena Richards Gumbo Recipe and believe me you do. You can find it in our newsletter. SUBSCRIBE SL DOT. Edu Slash side door. We'll also include a photograph of Lena Richard on the set of her cooking show. Or colleagues at the National Museum of African American, history and culture have launched a powerful new web portal called talking about race, if provides digital tools tailored for educators, parents, and caregivers as well as individuals committed to racial equity. We highly recommend taking a look and will link to that in our newsletter as well. Enormous thanks to Ashley rose. Young WHO's archival research and interviewing made this episode possible. Crystal Moton and Ashley Young Have Co curated an exhibition, called the only one in the room, featuring stories of pioneering women in business, including Lena Richard that exhibition launches digitally this summer. Thanks also to New Orleans Chef de Levin for bringing. Lena Richards words to life for us. You can find her social media at delightful cupcakes. That's D E. CUPCAKES! And thank you to Lilly. Katzman for bringing this story to our attention. Keep an eye out for Lily's upcoming article about Lena Richard in the Smithsonian magazine. Additional thanks to Liz Williams and our colleagues at the southern food and Beverage Museum the John D. Rockefeller Jr.. Library, the new archives and Library special collections at Tulane University and to the wonderful of Alaska. Thanks also to Tony. Tipton Martin whose book the Jemima Code helped. Inform this episode, Oh yes, and I almost forgot. Thanks to our voice. Ter- Lovers Kathleen Andrew. Wait, Ellie Klein Nicholas Rodman, PJ, tablet and side door, alums. Tony, cone and Jason Are Fannin. For more stories of important women in history, be sure to look into the Smithsonian. American women's history initiative to learn more go to women's history that Si dot edu, or join the conversation using Hashtag because of her story on Social Media Our podcast team is just O'Neill Natalie. Boyd and cannons Caitlyn Schaefer. Jessica! Leira Koch and Sharon Bryant. Episode Artwork is by Greg. 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Leading Ladies: Lena Horne

Encyclopedia Womannica

09:15 min | 2 weeks ago

Leading Ladies: Lena Horne

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She votes a new podcast from Wonder Media Network Award Winning Journalists Lynn Share Ellen. Goodman, unravel the complex history of the women's suffrage movement. From the unintended limits of the nineteenth amendment to the return of voter suppression, she votes shares a historical narrative that carries profound relevance today as we exercise our right to vote in another a landmark election year travel back in time with she votes to understand the long and continued fight for women's place at the ballot box. Listen and subscribe to. She votes wherever you get your podcasts. O! Asthma. Hello from Wonder Media Network. I'm Jenny Kaplan, and this is encyclopedia will Monica. Today's leading lady broke racial barriers to achieve success as a dancer, actress and singer. She used her platform to advocate for civil rights and equality. Let's talk about Lena Horne. Lena was born in Brooklyn. New York in nineteen seventeen. She belonged to a well educated and upper middle class family, but her childhood was fraught with rejection. Lena's father left when she was three and Lena's mother was a touring actress. As a result, she was raised mostly by her grandparents. Lena's grandparents remembers at the NWC. And Lena was the covergirl for the NWC peas monthly bulletin when she was just two years old. In nineteen, thirty, three at the age of sixteen, Lena dropped out of school and joined the dance chorus at the Cotton Club. A well known New York nightclub. Just one year later, she made her Broadway debut in dance with your Gods, a short lived show where she performed a Voodoo dance. In nineteen, thirty, seven nineteen, year old Lena Married Twenty eight year old Louis Joe an aspiring Pittsburgh politician. They had two children together gale and Edwin. Though Lena told the press that she was leaving Showbiz to focus on her family the following year in nineteen, thirty eight, she was cast in her first feature a low budget. All Black Movie Duke is tops. She was never paid for her performance. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty nine, we never returned to Broadway in the hopes of paying off her husband's debts and started in last lease blackbirds at thirty nine. The show was a flop, but Lena earned rave reviews. After Lewis Failed Run for office left the family in yet more debt. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, forty, Lena left him. They officially divorced in Nineteen forty four. Back in New York Lena, became the first black woman to sing in front of an all white band. She toured with bandleader Charlie Barnet for several months. Despite the dignity, she suffered on the road. Lena wasn't allowed on stage when she wasn't singing and she wasn't allowed service in restaurants. Charlie would call her Cuban in order for her to get a hotel room and he paid her to stay home when the band toward the south. In nineteen forty one lena moved to the Integrated Cafe Society Club in New York and became a regular radio performer. Club manager. Felix young was so struck by Lena's voice that he brought her out his new Hollywood nightclub Trocadero. Hollywood didn't permit black residents, so Felix had to sign for her house. Lena later remembered that when the neighbors tried to get rid of her Humphrey. Bogart came to her defense and said. If anyone bothers you, please let me know. While in L., A. Lena released her first solo album. In nineteen, forty, two Lena was signed by MGM after a composer Lena Sing a tricky darrow. Her contracts stipulated that she would not play stereotypical roles. Lena appeared in many MGM musicals, but was only a lead in movies with all black casts notably stormy weather and cabin in the sky in cabinet in the Sky Lena famously saying ain't it the truth while taking a bubble bath, the scene was cut for being too suggestive. By nineteen forty-five Lena was one of the top black performers in the US, but life at MGM was hard. She performed in many musicals, but she also appeared in small roles. That could be cut when they played in the south. Lena met the man who would become her second husband. Conductor Lemme Hayden at MGM. But interracial marriages were illegal in California at the time. The couple married in Paris in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty seven, and kept their marriage secret until nineteen fifty. During world, War Two Lena criticized the way block. Soldiers were treated at an Arkansas. Base in black troops weren't allowed her performance. She demanded a second show. At the second show, the black troops were seated behind the German prisoners of war, so Lena walked out in protest. She quit the USO and torn on her own dime. In the late nineteen forties Lena sued many restaurants and feeders for discrimination and became part of the leftist anti-racist progressive citizens of America. In one thousand, nine, hundred, fifty, Lena's tenure with MGM ended, and she was blacklisted for political views and activism. Still Lena kept performing in the nineteen fifties came a nightclub headliner in the US, Canada and Europe in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, seven, her album Lena Horne at the Waldorf Astoria was the best selling album by a female singer and RCA Victor History. At this time, the wall a story is very proud of present. Miss Lena. The following year Lena became the first African American to be nominated for a Tony Award for best actress in a musical for her role in Jamaica. The next decade in the nineteen sixties, we continue to engage in more activism. She was at the march on Washington and spoke and performed for the N. double ACP Snick, and many organizations fighting for gender and racial equality. Lena. For the passage of. Anti Lynching laws. Throughout, the sixties and seventies we had a successful TV career. In Nineteen Eighty Lena announced retirement and performed a two month farewell tour, but one year later she started in one woman show called Lena. Horne The lady and her music. It ran on Broadway for more than three hundred performances, and earned her a Tony and two grammys. Newsweek called Lena. The most awesome performer to have hit Broadway in years. Lena died in two thousand ten at the age of ninety, two in her eighties Lena said I. Am a black woman. I'm free. I no longer have to be a credit I. Don't have to be a symbol to anybody I don't have to be a I to anybody. I don't have to be an imitation of a white woman. That Hollywood sort of hoped I'd become. I'm me and I'm like nobody else. Lena's professional success and pride in her identity paved the way for other black performers in Hollywood. She's remembered as one of the most influential entertainers of the twentieth. Century. Tune in tomorrow with the story of another leading lady. For more on why we're doing what we're doing, check out our encyclopedia, Mannequin, newsletter or Manica Weekly. You can also follow us on facebook and Instagram at encyclopedia were Manica and you can follow me directly on twitter. At Jenny, Kaplan especial. Thanks to Liz Caplan my favorite sister and co-creator Talk to you tomorrow.

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Lena Horne (Ep. 10, 2020)

In Black America

28:58 min | 6 months ago

Lena Horne (Ep. 10, 2020)

"I from the University of Texas at Austin K. U. T. radio this is in black America. Spoke up for myself on the three musicians or the six musicians turned that the one allowed to stay where I though we all not allowed to go. Swimming Pool is had nothing to do with anything except personal attitudes about certain the things I didn't realize that I was speaking for anybody else. Until nineteen late nineteen forties. Uh of course as I said I was raised by Very Miller some grandmother I think most of us have grandmother to now pass. Yeah and tell me that I was on my Lena Horne. Entertainer Pathfinder and civil rights as activists of Blue Vallis Horn appeared onstage in Hallo- when she was fourteen years old by age sixteen. She was singing the famous cotton. TATTON clue eventually. She made her way into them. Including the popular nineteen forty three musical stormy weather and cabin in the sky. per-performance performance in cabinet in. This guy is a guy who has one of the performances before career. She played Georgia Brown off. Ethel waters and Eddie Anderson. The the all-black production talent beauty and middle class upbringing Khokar practic color barrier in Hollywood. She's often remembered as a pioneer among among African American reformers also she became a pinup girl to thousands of African American. Gi's doing award to her active career spanned and six decades and in nineteen eighty nine. She was awarded the Grammy Lifetime. Achievement Award program was first produced in March nineteen a three. I'm John Johansen Junior and welcome to another edition of Black America on this week's program a black history month special the legendary in Dairy Lino in Black America Ono I stall since Momma the caves arena Live stall just K- The to give Really main is survival. I've been around long time. Yeah feels good to live this long. I I hope that My youngest granddaughter. WHO's thirteen will be less plaza than my other ones who are eighteen and sixteen They're not interested in traveling abroad to sing sites that I thought I was paying toward taking my children and my grandchildren on the ground tool of Europe and even including Africa now but One of them was born over move in Europe and two of New York and then every way over there when they were little and not interested. And I'm praying that the thirteen in your does not too blase take a trip if I'm just hold out that loss. I think women shouldn't really be Yvette. Insecure I always was. I wanted to have a better figure I wanted to be youthful. I wanted to sing like aretha Franklin if they had been aretha when I was born I had none of those things and I made it. You know so. I think it's pretty silly me. They should be. You shouldn't be in since nineteen thirty three when her and vicious stage mother put her into the Chorus Line of Harlem's famed cotton in Club Miss Horn has been on stage and in the public eye over the years. Leno's had developed the sultry inevitable. Lena Horne singing style. How for which she is known throughout the World Lena's first big break as a singer came in nineteen forty when she was hired by Charlie Barnet? Who at that? Time was the leader of one of the swing. Era's top big bands after touring with Charlie Barnett's ban. Lena artistically. Psychologically season struck out on our own. Tom I in Manhattan's famed Cafe Society Downtown and then in Hollywood there she was discovered by an MGM talent scout who promptly signed her to a long term contract. Her film debut was far from auspicious considered to lie for Black Parson too dark for for white parts. She was relegated to musical scenes that had no connection with the plot and consequently could easily be cut from reels earmarked for distribution in the south. She did over star in a couple of all black movies. Stormy weather in nineteen forty three and cabinet in the sky. Also in Nineteen forty-three Lena Horne was Hollywood's first bona fide black glamorous Dr the first black actress not cast in stereotypical made the and mammy roles to black across this nation. This may assemble black achievement and pry doing World War Two. She became the pinup thousand thousand. Black G is many of whom went into battling jeeps tanks and aircraft named after her considered by many as the most beautiful woman in the world. Zero Lena takes a beauty in stride. I spoke with Lena on tour with her one woman show and asked her about her status as a living legend laughs. Ask that question yet. And everybody needs. City has asked me I think I think what you really mean is survival aval. I've been around long time. Yeah feels good to live this long. I I hope that My youngest granddaughter. WHO's thirteen will be less blase then my other ones who are eighteen and sixteen Then not interested in traveling abroad. Oh sing the sites that I thought I was working toward taking my children and my grandchildren on the grand tour of Europe and even including Africa Africa now but One of them was born over in Europe and Two of them from New York of been everywhere over there when they were little title and they're not interested and I'm praying that the thirteen year old and still is not too blase to take a trip with me. If I'm just hold out that long I oh. I think women shouldn't really be that insecure. I always was. I wanted to have a better figure. I wanted to be beautiful well. I wanted to sing like aretha Franklin if they had been Retha when I was born I had none of those things and I made it. You know so. I think it's pretty you silly women won't be like me they should be beyond and they shouldn't be in this in our use of Uso Tours and on the cabaret circuit and in her social life. Miss Horn has always been an outspoken advocate of civil rights do on the historic march on Washington in nineteen eighteen sixty three. She addressed a crowd of demonstrators. Miss Horn help breakdown. Jim Crow and entertainment during the nineteen forties and fifties by insisting on contracts ensuring that blacks could not be barred from her performances in white establishments she also refused to entertain white. I troops during World War Two unless black soldiers were omitted. Also I asked if she considered herself a pioneer and about the state of blacks in the entertainment aiming industry and why. It wasn't portent for Lena. Horne to speak up about civil rights. Lena Lena Horne. I spoke up for myself often. The three musicians or the six musicians that toured with the weren't allowed to stay where I could We will all not allowed to go on a swimming pool. Awesome had nothing to do with anything except personal attitudes certain things. I didn't realize that I was speaking for anybody. Nobody else until away in the nineteen late nineteen forties and of course as I said I was raised by very learn Millerton grandmother. I think most of us have grandmother so now passed and She just told me that I was human like everybody else. The communism that hot and the movies suffering and Certainly TV v is doing. What's tried and true over and over again so I would say they. They face certain obstacles not to do rosalie lap and not to do with racism but The first choice That that is not the first to be hired my people but I think that's due to the economy Well for waters May Miss Smith and and the rest of them. That was a great black singers. Called Black Patu blew. My Father Remembers who sang. Who was an opera star and she was named after Adalina passive white thing? Thanks so all those late some groundwork to you. Know I'm a johnny-come-lately Lena. Horne has never been one to avoid controversy in nineteen eighteen fifty. She announced her three year. Old Marriage to Linney Hayden her white musical mentor at MGM Studios and a time. When interracial marriages were still illegal and California? Her marriage proved to be one of the most durable ones in Hollywood it ended in nineteen seventy one would hayden's death also within eighteen months. Lena Sun Teddy Jones died of chronic kidney ailment and her father Ted Horn died. Lena reveals how she was able to cope with such such a devastating loss. I have no idea. It's must be the way everybody else. Does you know I. I wasn't unique. It just happened that There were three people that the dia respected terribly loved a lot but got The man upstairs take scale that you know you grave you agree but you put it to use. It's it's a positive thing sometime and every one of them had been nice to me and taught me a lot so I was not left Like the woman who sometime doesn't want to leave the husband who abuses her because she doesn't know how to work. They taught me how to work and until I was able to survive and take care of my responsibilities in the early nineteen fifties due to McCarthyism her friendship with singer activist. Paul Robinson Kassir to be blacklisted. In television since then Lena has had two specials which she has headlined. Harry and Lena with Harry Belafonte in nineteen seventy and Lena and Tony with Tony Bennett. In nineteen seventy two. She has also made numerous television guest guest appearances including the TV series Sanford and son. I love red. We've known each other long time and I knew him before he was Famous to the world. I knew him when he only had certain places to work and then he was brilliant. Then and I'm just. I was just happy that he had been discovered. You know what I mean. Miss Hololens first Broadway show in which she start was in Jamaica in nineteen nineteen fifty seven. She will probably be most remembered for her role in the Broadway musical. The wiz with her song believe in yourself. I asked Lena Lina if she had received any film offers since the WHIZ. Oh I have I have had offered to be lots of people's mothers and grandmothers. I saw ten is sort of intern. Billy Dee Williams I would like to have sun will lose almost as pretty as my son was but I'm not that access it would be nice but I've been reading some but They're mostly monkey. See Monkey do you now. Now today. The beautiful whittle has divided her time between her career and her grandchildren. Miss Horn is rather shy. Private person offstage in her spare time. She likes to curl up with a good book. Spend time at her. Santa Barbara California retreat harvesting oranges and wary about my grandchildren about my other I I love to worry. I'm a warrior. This horse whereas most popular recordings include stormy weather blues in the night. The lady is a tramp and mad about the boy. I asked Ms Horn about her favorite songs. All I hate my recordings the only one I ever made I can anything about really beside the one of the show is the one I made with. Government Sabal It's good it's good album. I'm going to sing sing a sad song about an old world with money. She falls in love with a young stud. Ah Action issues should have known better. She couldn't so dumb she had no money. Let's say she permitted herself to get week once that happens. And let's say young still was not always quite as slick as he was supposed to be dabbling sometime to rarely happens after one whole wall. Wall of brand lackadaisical I would know Bromo Seltzer and I don't even shake man non nonoo sensation. I've done pretty well. Thank but this half pint. Enid keeps me. Oh the Blue Lurgi Bigeye simpering name a ball all Dan Boo ooh La And wouldn't leave until I'm doing good sleep. Sleazy you boo which Bob I will i. I lost my heart but it's my mistake. I agree he can laugh and I love it. All though the me up up he but steel. He'll be they in to keep him on to a baby. Bob Will Lag. You have seen I mean but now I'm like sweet seventeen not borrowed and Belinda Ma. Masseuse Sir each worship the trials that clean to which which do album when he speaks when he speaks he is seeking would get off his chips. How're speaking that his? I'm vexed again. I'm perplexed again. Thank be oversexed Bob Do I acid no. Nah with two LUNDE. You might I'd say we are low so then row puck you to seize. I'm no aw I don't mean horns memoirs consist of in-person Lena Horne which which was published in nineteen fifty and she also co authored Lena. Another biography in one thousand nine hundred sixty five Miss Horn. Proudest achievements is receiving an honorary doctorate of humane letters from Howard University and having met Eleanor. Roosevelt and Mary McLeod Within Mating Eating Mrs Roosevelt. You know who she was. Oh she was a good friend of a friend into my grandmother's Mrs Bethune no Mrs Buffoon and I think the knowing those women the great deal to me I received a doctorate from Howard University. I'm very proud though. Oh I didn't go to school but They took man actually think about Charlie because it was on account of him. Right the wizards I got to have the small part in moving. It wasn't no big deal one. No big deal. My son in law was the director. Nepotism I've never heard nobody got it you press on with it. Remind them of it. I didn't get caught. I wanted I wanted to be the wicked witch of the West. evily suits my name but the thing is my son in law said now mall. You've been stuck with that sweetie image so long masback is gonNA be too good. which forgive did you see and twenty? Two years between movie roles does not need your no damage. Sit around quibbling crowd accused. Just take whatever they often. Can you know do to Michigan I. I was grateful and Of course I was happy when I made stormy weather and cabinet cabinet sky and of course I made all those movies web stood like this and did my things are now those. I'm I'm not going to knock. Because that installment weather was what made me have a career all black men and the second world war rope to metro-goldwyn-mayer took goldwyn-mayer and said. Thank you for giving us our own pinup girl. We now can put a picture in our footlockers blocked. Because a lot of places where they were they couldn't put Betty Gables picture in SC. But they were safe with my pig. So I'll admit to death so they they made my career and then of course all those results that I sang earlier in the first the act when I went to Europe places where they didn't know much about me they knew the songs and they will pretty literate and people like did now. They're no more than six of you out here will remember that there was once a year call nineteen forty now. I don't want the other nine nine eight percent of you to waste a second thinking about this time it was a down year. Nothing really great happen but this was a year that might twenty percent Santa. You only one of six okay. Hang Radin they're women. This was landmark's twenty percent Nazi Abbas dumb red loan with the year as Miss. Let's do twenty percent of my seventy five dollars a week. Plus cough edit. I was making a cafe society. He says to me we got to get you the holiday in your home you the back. No one can shea The Path that you must go. 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600: Supergirl S5E08 Review: "The Wrath of Rama Khan"

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34:00 min | 8 months ago

600: Supergirl S5E08 Review: "The Wrath of Rama Khan"

"Welcome to the super girl super cast. I'm Tricia Mattson and I'm David Shaab. And today we are discussing season five episode eight the wrath of Ramakand David. Why don't you remind us what happened this? This is an episode where everyone is a hero. Lena as hero Lena and hope try to use myriad and waves to fix humanity. Unfortunately hope isn't leanest. His friend and MEL affects sixty. Six pedal watts stops them. Luckily for Lena Hope makes eve take the blame Ramakand. As hero failing to keep Earth safe from humanity he uses crater and a staff to start an extinction level super volcano unfortunately supergirl distracts him while John Freeze. He's across his failure results in Galvani taking his job machines as heroes. John Miller thac simultaneously. Save humanity malefic leaves to save the Martians to Andrea as hero. She risk sacrificing herself to stop Ramakand. She survives but is sad alex's hero Alex makes hard calls but with her friends help she makes the right ones car as hero. Kara uses words and support her friends such that they can save the World Brin Years Zero. Hey good tech. Support is hard to come by Lexus Hero. Well we'll see about that. Ah that was an excellent summer. That was fun. I guess everyone is a hero in their own. Mind at least and that would certainly apply to lex. I've enjoyed how indignantly he told the Monitor. I I've always been a hero. This show has always presented resented everyone as thinking that they're the hero but this episode specifically just runs with it and absolutely everyone is it really excelled Donald who is the antagonist. And who the protagonist. Well it depends if you think humanity was the problem right. I have a little trouble seeing Ramakand as a hero. I still have no idea what his goal is other than doing occasional destruction when told to buy she whoever she is Leviathan. Jonathan I suppose Leviathan. She are they all Leviathan is starting to get a little unclear. He is the weakest hero his conclusion is. I think that these trying to save the earth from humanity while it's true we are destroying the earth as a place that humans might want to live on. We're not really destroying destroying the earth. The Earth will go on quite happily without us it is a little strange but he fills the role of wrathful God and he does that fairly well all right. Yeah he's definitely not a hero of humanity since see quite casually talks about you know destroying the scum every once in a while because they just need to be thinned I mean yes. Humanity is quite definitely altering the biosphere the molten earth below us will. We'll go on quite definite so also in terms of questionable Heroes Entre I. I am a little disturbed if she just gets to go back to her life now without any consequences other than losing Russell. Rogers four her assassinations that she's carried out. It just seemed to me like okay now she she is free but why should she be free. Leviathan knows is now. They can't trust her but they could still do revenge on her. They could threaten her father instead of just threatening not to make him rich. There's there's no reason they can't push her into doing something for them again and decides she killed people. Are you suggesting that her keeping her father rich does not make the I am. She had to save his life. You know and I don't believe that. Her risking her own life to get revenge against asked Leviathan because of losing someone she loved. I don't quite think that qualifies her as hero material. Either being a hero in your own mind is always a subjective of space to be an for the most part I really really liked. This episode was really fast. Occasionally things would happen. It's like really. Does that make any sense. That's but they lantern it well and they covered really well by the end of the episode. The only two issues I think I might have at all with this. Episode are in the end. Lena Eh Andrea Kinda get off scot-free which is ridiculous. Yes there's a reset back to the normal state. This is a question of. How is this episode going to prepare for Crisis Isis and the answers will they're going to finish off the story they're gonNA finish off one of the bad guys in Leviathan and then everything is back to normal and that? What is extreme? I think saving Lena for a little bit later another thing. Besides what. You've just mentioned that bothered me. Was the the whole Ramakand as Earth Shaker. WHO turned out to be not all that impressive as far as I was concerned? I'm slightly tired of these villains. Who are looking to create huge titanic events that will destroy our thin thin it just turns out to be a ripple in upon well but that was the point I mean that's why he was getting in so much trouble he wasn't able to even get to Lena to get the medallion back? The whole joke was his floods. Were like leaky faucets. Let's all he's been doing for the last sixty seven million years on the planet is occasionally causing a natural disaster. I mean he's boring but I think it's is true to the character so I'll let that pass the only thing else that actually bothered me was later in the episode. We have John and Kara showing up into a Plaza Elisa full of extras and the extras absolutely ignore them. Even though obviously these two are showing up because something horrible is going to happen and it takes the earth falling underneath defeat for them to actually notice that something's going on supergirl landing in the middle of absolutely ignored. Extras were really extra. I am pretty sure that even if I were in a world where supergirl being on the front page of the paper every week or so I would not be so blase As to not at least look up around me. If she landed in in the midst of the plaza I happened to be standing in. She's she's not exactly at trouble double magnet but she does go to trouble and so if she's around. I'm going to look for what's happening. There's two options you either look to her to see what she says or you run away. Ignoring is not an option. That's right go through the episode more chronologically than Okeydoke. It was funny. You know last episode episode. There was super girl trapped but rainy and Alex just find her and release or so. That's over in the first minute of the show. This is a fairly early rushed episode. I did look at it and think wait a second. How do they portal in there? Maybe they have one portal watch. Still I suppose but That was a bit strange range that they just magically Portland in there. It sped up the plot. But it didn't seem to make a lot of sense right so then supergirl goes to Lena's hideout and and cannons shoot her and she laughs it off then they loaded with Kryptonite and Lena manages to shut down the crypto cannons before they can fire at her Lena's definitely not a monster villain. I would argue. She believes not of course. But not a monster. This is definitely a thing of Lena. Has Immorality Code in Operation Right now. It's not one that makes sense to anyone else but it is running. She has a code. Yes the bid and this thing that I thought what was strange was. Why did you just decide to leave then? I thought it was not exactly courtesy but Kara knew that Lena could've fired the Kryptonite at at her and Lina didn't car didn't take that as a surrender more of an armistice thing for the moment that's how I read it she didn't want to push it to an actual fight. I suppose it might have meant a stalemate for the moment. The car had to find a different way. That is fair it works and as I said. I don't have a lot of problems with this episode so apparently As mean and destructive as Ramakand is he is nothing according to someone called to zoom back who gamay the woman woman who seems to wear green Tells Ramakand that they are whispering about him and they are saying the leader may put Azuma can charge and he will burn the whole world down so yeah from con isn't all that I was clearly wrong or confused in the previous podcast because there there are three people at the table I would assume she is at the table. It implies maybe this she's the elder and the elder is still there or. There's something else going on on here. They haven't quite explained. I did give up and look it up on Wikipedia to read about the League of ancients which seems to be roughly. What this group group is I have actually never heard of them before. They showed up in this but I don't know if they quite follow the comic so we'll see how many of the other LE- you give agents characters show up but there's three people on that table and we're almost certainly going to be more of them after crisis right for sure supergirl flies back to the. Do Vilson Alex. On what's happening about myriad but lena had saved her from the KRYPTONITE and she insists. I can still fix this I you can still get to her and I think it makes me a little. Sorry for her that she thinks she can just find some right words and make Lena forgive her. Go Back Theresa to being a friendship by. She really seems to think that it's just never ever going going to go back to the way it was. I don't know I think there's a bunch of things that like in the episode shows these characters as being a hero zero and I think this episode is a better episode for supergirl than usual in two ways one. She is really a support character in this episode. She does not directly. They do very much of the saving. She fights Ravikant a few times but who cares. That's not actually what's causing the problem. She tries to talk to Lina and her arguments were a little weak in the previous episodes and were much stronger in this episode and Lena's Lips. They did a quiver. So I think there's this thing where maybe she is starting to break down a little bit the wall. Lena put up so I I like how Kara wins this us by trying to be true to her yeronus by trying to communicate and tell people to find the third options that are better and she doesn't really solve the problem by punching per se. I definitely agree with you about that. I'm a little unhappy that she said to Lena. That lex used my weakness to manipulate you which seemed a little self serving and a a little manipulative of Kara herself. It see it feels like she's still really not quite owning up to her fault in. It's more like well she. She admits the default. But she doesn't think it's so bad and to me if feels like she's not completely the acknowledgement that she hurt Lina She is sorry that Lena is upset now but it just doesn't feel like she's quite there yet. Yeah I think you know. It's not just a matter of convincing Lena to be friends again I think she still needs to do a little more work on herself. I and honestly I think more of this may also still be online. I think there's a self-discovery in Lena realizing that her code is logically broken and I think they actually might be the bigger chains that that Lena herself will find that her path was not the right path at arguably. It isn't and even if Kara I agree she could do better. And this episode glossed over some aspects of. How car is at fault here? Alex tries to make car fuel better and her argument is really weak. Yes because she's ignores the fact that car up at some point in their friendship should have said it initially. That's right right. You keep you the identity safe to keep you end those people around you safe. There's a point when he comes more dangerous and not worth it and definitely when Kara Laura found out that lex new there is no justification for Kara. Not Telling Lena as we've said on many podcasts before this it was absolutely a failure and I don't think car has said that I don't know if it'll help but that is the thing where you had car does need to realize Alex shouldn't be defending at the show needs to say. Kara should have told Lena sooner. So what do you think about Alex using Kara to carry the Trojan Horizente. The fortress Lena her whatever she called her base. I think Alex is the hero of her story and I mean Alex making the harder calls. I disagree with some for make. Kara feel good aspects of that speech but the rest of the scene. I thought worked really well because Alex is saying. These are the options I have. I have to act based on them and then she describes what we've discussed before. All of these things Lena has been doing that. Were Super Sketchy and Alex looks has to act up based on. That and Alex is perfectly right. I absolutely think that it's perfectly correct that Alex made that call in in the flow of the episode. I think Alex turns out to be right. They may have felt bad. Had Gotten killed because of it. But there's I think a reality that Alex was making a hard call. Was Alex using car up. Okay okay. That's her job and I think they defended it reasonably well. I definitely think that Alex came off as being true to herself. You know everything. She did ranked true with her character. So I was pleased with that You could argue a little about whether to really made the right. Call all in using Kara. But you know she definitely does have a good argument on her side. But I also think it's very positive that she allowed ourself to be persuaded to give people a chance in the end to give Lena One last chance to give Malik a chance. You might argue. Are you about right or wrong but I think it worked out really well. How Alex behaved in this episode will without a doubt? This show is not going to have Alex Alex nuke the mountain with Claymore. There wasn't really a option but I think this show presented well enough and I agree I like that. She kept all of her options options available to the last minute. She made the call not before she had to make the call and then she made the best call she could have based on the feedback all of the people around her. We're giving her. I have very little fault to give either to the writing with the setup of it or the character a little more on Lena. Lena asks asks rhetorically. Who needs friends when you can save the world? And then she tries to treat hope as a friend you know tries to stop her from going out and resetting the dishes manually. Because the that'll be dangerous and hope very correctly reminds her that. I'm not your friend. I'm an artifact that you programmed tempt and that really brings Lina up short for a second but she has to acknowledge the truth of it. Yeah there's two scenes where Lena Kinda cracks a little batten. She cracks a little bit in the speech. The car gives her over the Hologram and she cracks a little bit of hope. Says that I'm not your friend. Something you created serve a purpose. This is is an aspect where her moral code that she's working on it's broken and she just has to see that it's broken going back a little bit. There were a couple things I quite liked. Yes when we first get to the. Do there's a a whole info dump and one of the things that Britney is asked to do is create a Hologram and he gives this it's great spiel of Gibberish. which is we can harness the CRYPTO Nghien cash crystals? We have here to convert the project a Hologram beam into her bunker you you know. Sometimes I love the Super Science and this is great. It means nothing. It connects to know reality. I'm all for it. I like that they can send the Hologram I am. I really do have a question as how his car a hearing. Lena says back yeah. I considered it as a problem but the reality is the drama of that situation relation and that conversation was so good I will absolutely let it go okay. Yeah I hadn't thought about that little hole but to bed. Another line that I really liked liked for Lena was of course sometimes. The good guys don't win talking about herself. Of course when her plot to mind control the entire world into being nice fails. There's a few things about her two different technologies that she's using that I don't understand because she's using q waves to control people and he's he's also using myriad but really didn't myriad control everyone in the world anyway so I'm not entirely sure what the cue wave thing added to her ability here. There's something where I don't quite understand. What the world is telling me? There's something I missed Maybe maybe it's the q wave thing would have changed ranged their behavior permanently. That's possible whereas myriad only works while it is in effect that is good head cannon. I like the one question that I had though as FAC said in that meeting I had long planned to destroy my brother but ms Luther said it went against her. Morality ASEAN stopped me but does that mean she stopped him permanently. I was wondering back at the last episode. Did the QA control that. Lena did did that actually affect affect the turning of Mela Fach at the end of the previous episode. And I don't know if it did. I didn't think so. I thought that Lena it just didn't let malefactor leave to the harm that he wanted to and didn't let him leave but I didn't get the impression that she you used the q waves to alter his mind or his personality just to prevent him from acting. Yeah it's it's possible. That was it. And the bonding was what really changed. But but it wasn't a question because we don't know how permanent that control of Lena's technology as mel affects. I think only lasted for some amount of time. But I don't know it was a little unclear we get a scene later with Ramakand and Andrea now Andrea has been working as an assassin than for this group. But obviously she has no idea who Amazon is she. Way underestimates them but what I really don't understand is when he says one last job then you will be released east. She doesn't just assume that they're going to kill her. Like how many people has she killed for this organization. I would assume that they're gonNA kill me. That was certainly how I yeah. I read watched drama concept as him just tricking her one. Last time. You know saying you'll be released. Maybe she couldn't do anything about it. You'll be released by sweet death from the pains of life. Yeah exactly that was obviously what he was saying but I don't know she just missed that. I don't know working instant US asam awesome. It's not like cheap. Built this multibillion empire herself she Started with her. Dad's company then Leviathan helicopter. So maybe she's not all that smart after all. It's an interesting question with Andrea. Because we've had these few episodes where we've gotten tons of backstory for her and we're seeing here now as the assassin Ryan and adding superpowers and she then also sacrifices herself to save the world. She has this lost love. I really am curious what it's GonNa look like when we actually get back actor working at Capco how her car and William we're going to be interacting because we haven't really seen that since all of things come out that's true volume. AM has really been out of the loop of things for several episodes. Is he still fact. They're doing background research or something and it's hard to see see ya. That would bring about anything really dramatic but maybe maybe in the spring and car now news way more but Leviathan than they did going into this though. They still don't know who Accra is unless John used his telepathy. Let's let's assume you didn't. That's right I you know I. Of course knew who she was but Kratos was wearing her mask when she teleported into the. Do and then they took her out immediately. So yeah I think you're right she. He has not been revealed to the. Do not a lot of things got reset back to normal at the end of this episode. Disturbingly so Lena knows right aline absolutely knows US right but Lena is not exactly sharing information. These days and Lena's lost both Yvonne hope now that changed so it's interesting to see. See what this is GonNa look like post crisis but who knows what a lot of things are going to look like post-crisis. Yeah now remind me once the hope takeover of Eve leave permanent got downloaded into her brain. And it's always going to be eve slash hope now not just you know. There won't be any out porting adding of hope when hope was considering sacrificing herself. Lena gave the line that there would be no more hope and that there would be no more eve to to me. That implies that at least with Lena's help they can recover eve. That would be my interpretation. She doesn't think eve is gone. Okay because has there was the implication that hope getting killed would kill eve two which means maybe there is an ego left to recover so that would be my take is whenever we get the redemption action of Lena. I still I'm sure we will. We're going to get eve returned to us as well. Even though currently eve is locked up in jail so maybe redemption is going to be Lena Saving Eve and getting out of jail and taking the blame for the actions so that seems to be the most likely path ask speaking of which it seems like. Alex is behaving like. There's nothing we can do about this week. Sauce explanation the missile tests. Macher made me do it. You know but supergirl could testify. Although I don't know in what court about Lena locking her up open her own fortress then. Maybe she wouldn't want to do that because she still wants to. Save Lena but I would think that Alex would at least be looking for ways is to do something about Lena. Instead of just a well she won this round or at least she got away. SCOT-FREE I think it's simply shocking that the FBI would break into to go down there and arrest an assistant and leave the luther there. Yeah they just walked away. They didn't even say okay. We need to deeply few misleading. And yes you think that the do and talks to the president and say oh my my there might be a ahead. Can you can say where Alex is. Basically letting Lena get off on the hope that they can get through to her. But that's not really in line with how Alex was acting the rest of the episode right. None of this league getting off makes any sense to anyone. The only person who would do this would be Kara. And I don't know if I buy that. She made everyone agree agree. It's just week is an unbelievable bit of we're back to the status quo episodic thing which really this show should not be doing i. I think I would blame crisis. I think crisis wasn't happening. I think they may have played this differently. The other thing with the John and malefic plots I right the John just gives him the keys to his star car or whatever he's calling it. V rocket ship disguised as a classic car and and sends them off. They've had their happy reunion. But I guess there are still battles to be fought and so having reconciled. They split up again. They've come mav saving all humanity from two different threats simultaneously. They are running high and they are in a good mood and I love how the CNN's with basically the older brother loaning his car his younger brother to go for a ride home. I thought it was just a wonderful scene right I did like house on put it to malefactor the the malefactor was never meant to be a threat he was meant to beep. I think he called it a promise but I was thinking of it as maybe like a bridge edge between the green and white Martians. Oh yeah that would have been a good way of saying that yes. They did a nice job of finishing it up in some regards. Mel Effects Plot is a little on the rush side especially in the previous episode. But I'm pretty happy with it. Yeah it's hard to see how they would have kept him around much longer without having having to do a lot of plotti stuff like you know. Some kind of brother is investigating whatever together It feels like it was. It was a pretty clean and tight arc over these eight episodes. It worked pretty well as far as I was concerned. The only thing that I still feels a bit of a letdown is is. We still don't know if Kelly can still sense him or the q waves. We didn't see Kelly much. It's been awhile since we seemed Kelly. That's true I don't know if it should be able to sense when Lena uses waves because Lena still has that technology yeah. There's a bit of a question as to how that's going to play out. But it was a little disappointed. The point that we didn't get to see Kelly and mel effect. Interact a little more. Yes I was happy that at least Meghan got a mention even if we didn't see her a nice reference reference rate. Here's my friends. I hope you'll help so yeah it was just nice to hear her name again. Then we got the Monitor and he explains to John. This whole Mala thick thing was just a test. I brought your brother back and put you through all of this just to see all you we do. No one has ever said that. The Monitor isn't a jerk. Definitely is Sean has had some healing out of this even if the monitor was a a jerk about it so now the monitor says now you're stronger and you're better able to face the crisis I think even though the Monitor was jerk you really did do a fair amount of good here maybe accidentally because of course malefactors out he's free. He's redeemed sir. John who had this huge problem. We never knew about is now cured of this huge problem album. We never knew about but it definitely is all in a better place. Now yes yeah. And he's also been able to have some good conversations with his father figments or whatever you would call his mental conversations with his own projection of his father in. It said those were always enjoyable scenes and we might get more of those than right right. I also wanted to give her a bit of a caller to some good use of brainy. I really quite likes. How brainy was basically the the thing that was communicating to Alex? Exactly what options she had when she had to make them and was just this nice bit of intensity to keep the plot very very crisp two minutes until the volcano explodes and ten seconds until myriad reaches earth. Do we turn off arbiters or do we activate claymore. Here are the options options. Here's the time limit go. I thought it was very nice. Seeing brainy being just so direct and good at his job yes. The loosening of his inhibitions ambitions doesn't seem to be destabilizing him too much yet. So we'll see if that picks back up again in the next half. It's almost surprising. How normal brainy rainy seemed Maybe they did not have time or they just didn't have any place to use that in this episode but I agree Brady was very good at his job but he was also pretty pretty normal at its job which may be surprising in that context Britney also did give us what I would say is the Great Super Science of this episode. He gives us the line and the inhibitors or blocking six percent of Mouth X. power which is equivalent of four thousand terawatts. Wow that's six percent one of his power simple math his total output. A sixty six pedal. Watts yeah earlier in the episode when they were suggesting using I was going. Are you Razi crazy. How can one Martian save the entire earth from all of these satellites but given the amount of power he can do? He could power about a third of the planet earth Earth's electric use right. Wow is that a lot of power is indeed a lot of power. Yeah that was quite something to hear. he should certainly be effective war on Mars. I thought it was ridiculous but it does cover what happens in the episode pretty well so I let it go. Oh it does. Show the two lines of science that Bernie Gibbs one makes no sense and works perfectly. Well this one uses real numbers and and maybe it should yup. I was startled at that line. Also bunch there was a lot else going on in this episode and it wasn't really important shortened to the plots that the numbers be what they said. So I just kind of let it slide past that circuit now they did get through a lot in this episode and most of it was really well done. I thought you know. A good tight. Cohesive love episode with some really good character moments in it. I thought as long as they can keep up this pace and keep up the well use of characters because the last three episodes of done it really well. And if they can keep this up post-crisis I'll be really happy. Who knows how crisis will go? I Really WanNa know what Lex Alexa wants to done about Lena. Yes I'm very much looking forward to seeing what happens. I am a little concerned as I stopped watching flash slash and I've never watched Arrow. Oh I don't know how many things in this crisis will make much sense to me. They give us the little bit where we see wells. I think I don't know I don't know which wells this is. Kevin been keeping track. One of the wells' don't worry about it too team from what I think. This one's name is Nash. Wills but I don't think it's going to matter a lot it's not reverse flash. It's think of it as an explorer. Well answer something. Okay it's Indiana wells something like that. We'll see how crisis goes. I've actually still only read half of the crisis I was GONNA ask ask you how that was going. Crisis is about taking all the world's mash them together and that's about as far as I read the comic and I figure because we're going to see this crisis in December and then in January they're going to cut it and I'll play bits. They're gonNA cut it at a really destructive part. I'm actually really tempted to stop reading where I am and seeing if that lines up to where the first half of the crisis goes next week. Yeah well whatever works for you I salute that you and your effort. I'm not going there with you. I'm just enjoying the TV shows. It's nice that they're using lex luther. There's a luther used in in the comic differently. But I think using this lex is a perfectly good variation they're going to have way fewer characters than in the comic but that's really okay. Hey because the comic is kind of ridiculous in that they basically bring up. Here's just for the sake of having them in a frame and having someone else save their name so you know which one it is has and then moving on the short service they give to these massive pages of all these heroes ends up to seeming kind of ridiculous so no matter how ridiculous all of the heroes that we're going to see in crisis it is not going to be as ridiculous as the Kalmyk and that's probably good the CW universes as as it were relatively small. So I'm looking forward to crisis. Well I think that about does it for now. I guess we'll get together and talk after the first week of crisis crisis and then have a little bit of a break until crisis comes back in January. Sounds good all righty well. We're in a good place right now. I think and indefinitely looking forward to finding out what happens next absolutely okay. Well thanks again for another good conversation. David I'm always happy to be here. We'll see if I'm happy next week. That's right I'd like to thank the incomparable for hosting our podcast is always and I'd like to thank you the listeners for indulging us in our conversations if you would like to talk with us about what we've been saying or speculate about what's going to be happening you you can find us on twitter at S G super cast or on the incomparable slack member channel so we look forward to hearing from you bye bye.

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Pay It Forward Friday: Lina Graves

Hacking Your Leadership

02:29 min | 5 months ago

Pay It Forward Friday: Lina Graves

"Hey everyone and welcome to another pay. It forward Friday episode where we highlight people that we feel are doing a great job of publishing leadership content resonates with us. We will include links to their work intact them on our post to make sure they know we appreciate them. This is our way to say. Thanks to other leaders and individuals that are having a positive impact on helping others become better leaders through sharing their thoughts opinions in ideas online for all to see and hear. Christine have wanted to use our platform to advocate for people passionate about leadership. Give our listeners as much content as possible to help sharpen their own skills through different perspectives and approaches. If you'd like us to check out anyone specific please tag them in the comments or send us a message with links their content on this episode. I WANNA recognize Lena. G Aka Lena Graves her Lincoln Profile States. That she is a chief. People officer culture revolutionized promoter of kindness and people Facia Nado after checking out her content. There's one very important and common theme that I found. Lena is all about culture which is why instantly found value for our loyal listeners. You Know Chris and I love to discuss what culture is and what culture isn't we even have our own culture acronym on how to change culture when it's not where it needs to be for those new to the show checkout episode seventy seven eighty three anyways. I love that Lena. Post videos from anywhere and everywhere. Hotel rooms a kitchen and office. It doesn't matter where she is. Lena Post great content when she feels the need to in a recent video. Lina said something that I very much appreciated. She was discussing culture and said and I quote. You can't say if I do. Abc in the next three months. Boom we have culture. Culture is a natural progression of feelings that the people in your organization learn their habits in the way that they communicate. I love that definition of culture in appreciate Lena for sharing her perspective here. I think it's really important to understand that we just throw around the word culture not realizing that it really and truly is the way in which people treat each other in any organization or on any team and that culture can be both positive and negative based upon those leading those teams and helping to facilitate fantastic relationships and to her point great communication. So I highly recommend you take a few minutes to check out. Lena's content as usual. The link to her page will be in our episode notes. Great Job Lena. And thanks for helping others to Hashtag be a better leader. Thanks for listening and let us know who else deserves some Kudos.

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Lena Waithe

Sunday Sitdown with Willie Geist

46:26 min | 8 months ago

Lena Waithe

"Hey Guys Willie geist here with another episode of The Sunday. Sit Down podcast. Thanks as always for clicking and listening along I got a good one for you this week. My guest is emmy winning actor producer writer director. And everything else you can possibly be in Hollywood lean away. She is truly one of the brightest young stars in Hollywood. Lena won on her emmy writing an episode of Master of none. That's the Aziz on. Sorry show she also starred in the episode entitled Thanksgiving which is the story of her coming out as gay to her own family she also created and wrote the show the shy which has a big audience on showtime in her current film. It's called Queen and slim. It's got a lot of people talking. We'll let her explain the premise of the movie. Some of the controversy behind the movie You also might know her from ready player player won the Steven Spielberg Film. He hand picked her to be in that movie. And she's GonNa be starring in Westworld coming up as well. She's got a lot going on her. Life comes from Chicago ago. When she was a teenager she moved to Evanston Illinois which is on the precipice of being suburb? It basically is a suburb but a close in suburb and she. She talks about how moving to that more diverse area around Chicago so broadened her view. She'd gets into a bunch of her. Inspirations interesting for a young woman to grow up wanting to be TV. TV writer not necessarily an actor because of the shows the faces in the story she saw on TV like the cosby show in a different world. She's a fascinating woman. A talented woman. Great to talk to. I think you're going to really like if you don't already know lean away. F- this is your introduction to one of the biggest stars coming up in Hollywood here now. Oh my Sunday sit down. Conversation with Lena Waif Lena thanks for doing this. I appreciate it. Thank you for having. I told them about an hour out from having finished my heart's still beating out of my chat. Yeah congratulations it's incredible. Thank you let's go back to the genesis of it. How it came to you? James Frye bought the idea. Yeah I mean how did start. I was at a party thirty in Hollywood as they say I was with my wife and I was just standing there. James Free came up to me and I know no who he is the introduce himself. He's had this idea for a movie that I can't write and worst idea. And he's like a black man black woman on the first date on their way home. Kippur police which is never a fun thing person things escalate very quickly. They killed a police officer in self defense and decide to get in the car and just go and I was like yeah. Yeah you can't write that but I can. I think it's a really interesting idea interesting. Starting point he had he had an outline another title and I was like. I don't want any of that that a- and I was like you know obviously fairness I'll share story credit because you plan that the seat but I really wanted to grow the tree on my own and do it myself. And he didn't have any issue with that he was like go for it. And so I did and I really just started the process of developing these two characters that were kind of become algorithm for all of us as a as a people And just sort of what it's like to try to survive and find joy and love while drowning and oppression. So did you change his idea. Much in other words was his a story story like A. Yeah I think I think he had some some thoughts about it I had different thoughts. I really wanted to to really take it from. I wanted to have have a jumping off point for me for a movie and so yeah but the thing about the first day in them getting pulled over the killing police officers and all that stuff stay but everything else around it I really they created and defined the world of my own to as you took this kernel of an idea. What did you see in it that you said I can tell a bigger story about our culture popped out at me? I just sort of thought about because the relationship between black people and police has been so fraud from the beginning of time That's the thing when you look at civil rights footage and you see young vibrant college students protesting or doing sit ins and you see the police department. Sticking dogs on them. FIREHOSES firehoses Beating with batons. It's sort of this weird thing that we as citizens are supposed to believe that police are here to protect and serve us and then over the history of the Rodney King or whatever it may be We just doesn't feel that way if feels like that's not what the police police are here for when it comes to us and even in the film. I'm very nuanced about the police. I know that all police are bad and that they're not monsters We're all human beings Trying to figure it out. And we've all we have these judgments and these things that we're thinking about each other that may not be based on fact but more so based on what we've been told what we've been taught to believe I believe and so that's really what I want to play but also I went to. I wanted the movie to be a meditation on blackness and all that comes with that because to be black is beautiful but it also can be traumatizing at times and I wanted to cover all those things so so yeah I I saw it as a beautiful jumping off point because I thought to myself I said there was a story about two black people killing a police officer. Some people think they were heroes. Some people think they were crazy. Some people might think they're official AUNTIES and I wanted to explore all of those ideas and how that would affect these two normal people who are just living their lives and trying to go along to get along so one of the great things about all your work. I think it's fair to say that you come from a personal place right. I mean all the won an Emmy for writing episode about your own experience right about coming out and entire series the shy about your in your life right. So what did you bring to this from a personal point of view that you could speak to so much I mean I think it was really. There's a a little bit about black community by family about religion about what legacy means to me and I can be both minds ends that on one hand. It's about like what does it mean to matter. So on one hand you may think I have to bend the world to really leave. Something behind could also argue. Argued wasn't enough for us just to exist in the world and live a quiet dignified happy life but we have been taught to believe well. That's not exciting. And I think I wanted to honor lives like that where someone gets up and goes to work every day you know takes care of their kids like you know is doing all the right things and just trying who just happens to pursue life love and happiness and that is everyone's right and but for some reason I think in our society. We started to think that. That's not cool. Oh I think it's extremely cool just as cool as if somebody would have been the world. I think it's I think to me Barack Obama and the guy that you know picks up your garbage every week are are equally important and I think that's what I was trying to get at this to. It is incredibly powerful obviously from that first scene which sets off all the action the film to the very last scene that we were just discussing which I won't give As you set out to create this story obviously you're casting at you. Want to find the right people get in it but how did you wanNA tell this story. So that rolled out in such a truly powerful way. I mean I think a big thing for me was to tell it with complete autonomy. I didn't want notes from white. People Know Shay to white people. I just felt lake from the beginning of time we've had movies told to us and your English and I feel like black. People have a language that we speak. We have a broken English to a little bit of a southern a little bit of city and a little data slavery like we have a broken English and I wanted our native tongue to be front and center and this movie and much credits everyone involved. They agreed when I said I want a final about what goes on the screen. I want final cut about what goes on the page and everybody was like. Yeah sure that makes sense and what we got was is a product that feels different. If feels unique it doesn't feel like anything else because it isn't touched by the white gays and I think we have a right to have movies like that because Casa Blanca Glauca gone with the wind. You know all about Eve was it of all these. These history of films that have been told from a wide perspective. That black people have seen in a bunch of times to. We're fluent in that language. We know how cinema has communicated to us about our society about who we are as a people and I just thought it was time to I. I want to tell our narrative in a way where people have to show up and learn about our culture and how we walk through the world. And that's not easy right. You WanNA challenge some people. Oh Yeah it's not easy for you but also for the audience you know somebody who goes in and watches that and go. Wow that I mean as I said that sets off the actual at the officer you go. Wow that's intense. Yeah so did you want to make people feel a little bit uncomfortable. People like me who said watched Yeah I think everyone's GonNa feel uncomfortable with that with that scene when they get pulled holdover. Because either you've been in that position where you've been behind the wheel or or you relate more to the person pulling them over and curious about where they're going or why they're swerving while they he missed turning signal and my big thing was humanize every person in that scene there are no villains and heroes and this movie. It's not black and white There's so many shades of gray that even like for it was important to. PF people pay attention to that. Scene is purposely ridden on the on the page on screen that you see a picture of the police officers family on the dads but when he does get in the car you know and that's my way of reminding people he has kids at home too. He has a wife waiting for him. These are all people and we keep bumping up against each other all the things that we aren't even apart it really is our history coming back and haunting us We haven't been able to shake The prejudice that our society is still so you know wreaking of I can hear. It's interesting. You say no heroes no villains because I can hear some people who might watch that scene in the movie that files and go oh well there are no heroes. Why are they the heroes of the story? They Killed Amanda Beginning of the movie. So what would you say to someone. who has that feeling after watching the Phil well? It's interesting you know. I'll say that we he killed police officer celluloid. It is a movie it is fictitious. Black people are killed by police officers in real life almost every day and that is not a movie for us. That's real life. We watch these stories like everybody else and it is traumatizing because also usually a week or two later. We hear the a follow up to the news story which is always inevitably that the police officer has been released back on the force and they're out there on the street again and so it tells us that I live. Don't really carry a lot of value and it makes it scary to be walking around in the world or God forbid be pulled over our police officer because you don't. I know how that can wind up so we really wanted to do was flipping narrative so if anyone is upset that we're you're seeing violence police officer on a movie screen. Imagine what it's like to see it happen to real life and nothing happened because of I told you a minute ago off camera that I interviewed. Carrie Washington weeks ago and we had the conversation around American son of what it's like to be black and pulled over and I you know as a as a white man. It took me until just a few years ago. Having friends say to me. Oh Yeah we we tell our sons and daughters and you can pull over. There's a routine here's what you do and I didn't know those conversations were happening. Is that a personal experience for you as well that you brought to this film. Well it's interesting. I haven't had that much of a violent experience experience with a police officer but I've been pulled over before and of course and that doesn't drink. I don't even have a speeding ticket so you would think if getting pulled over. I'm going to be calm. It's not the case yes I am. Yes sir no Sir yes you can start this because I want to go home I wanna make it home so therefore our absolutely become Obedient and compliant It it'll I will literally turn into like a slave trying to find papers when I get pulled over police officer but that's not fair fair. That's not cool. You know autism hours over the rights to get an attitude or a certain my rights or talk back but we don't have that right especially if you wanna Survive uh-huh so what do you want people to feel when they walk out of this film. Is it something different for everybody. Or what's the statement. You WanNa make. Yeah you know the thing is I believe Nina Simone says it is an artist duty to reflect the times. And that's what I'm trying to do. I'm being reflective of the society in which we live and it's not pretty all the time time especially right now and we can't ignore that and I think as an artist I'm trying to show us our reflection. We WanNA look at it or not and because I think we can beautiful sometimes as Heidi. We've seen that. We've seen those those feel good stories about people helping one another and being a good neighbor and doing charitable things. Well we also could be really ugly and I'll have to go down that list because it's very long so we're both and I want people to take away from it. What they bring to it? You know it's like there's going to be some people that hate it. Some people that love is some people that think is irresponsible. Some people that think it's about time some people think it's a classic you know I've heard all of it but to me. That's good art is. It should be a debate. It should be subjective. I don't WanNa have everybody across. The board feels the same way about because that means I didn't do my job. There should be enough nuances in it. That people can make an argument and say well I think this or I think it should have gone that way or if they did. There's maybe it would end this way. You want those conversations you want that dialogue also would ask themselves. Would I have done this scenario. I'm siding with her or why didn't why did he. Why was he so compliant Brian? Why was she so loud? Like everybody has a difference of opinion. And I think that's welcomed. I WanNa ask you about the cast to amazing group of absolutely because it could run. The risk of becoming this like chase movie thriller never does that Right. I wanted to stay away from that. It wasn't that I mean the throat was there but it was more more subtle when you put together the cast. What were you looking for? Well I can't take credit for Daniel. He casts himself. He read a very early draft. We happen to have dinner dinner. You know when I na and he was what are you working on what was it. What's next as this feature about you? Know these two people that killed police officer and self defense. He's I wanna read it. I want to read it and I was like okay early. Man I don't care I want to read it so he did. He read it in a couple of days later. He hit me and said I am slim. I have to be slim and I say okay. Oh man okay. That's flattering. Hold on. I'll say I want Molina to direct. She hasn't ready yet. I said but I'm going to do in the past. I'm going to get it to her. And if she decides is to direct the movie who clements Lamar have to be a conversation between she and I so if you down hold a B and he said I'll wait wait so he did wait a couple of months because it took a beat for me you get to reading it and She did and she said Hey. I want to direct great. Guess what Dan was and she was like. I don't see him as slim them. I wouldn't have either there. But now after he mentioned it to me. I can't get him out of my mind is interesting. So why wouldn't why didn't you see him. I I don't know I don't don't think of actors when I'm writing or even right after I like for casting to surprise me so I'm just that's just how I am and so but if I was thinking I don't know if he would have popped up for me for whatever reason so and I think it's the same thing with Molina. He's the guy from get out now. I don't see it so just go will sit down with him out of respect that you give them five minutes fine fine so she goes to sit with you and I'm waiting for my on my because I'm like what is this about to be five hours. Lehto she calls me and I was like I hope you still like him. 'cause I offered him the role at the table and I was like great. Yes yes and so then. It was three highway. It was accidentally package my movie. And so now you've got Molina over here. Louie over here you got me in the script and the Tau now like was like what do we have to get it because I think there's this weird narrative that must've been difficult this movie made. How did you get it on the screen? The system the system came after us they. They saw the potential. And what this movie could be. And that's not thinking Leinen. I really sort of opened our eyes. Say Wait a minute. We got the leverage year. They want us us. So let's ask whatever we want and we asked for final cut because we wanted to have complete autonomy. I wanted everything on that screen. Every word every look every glance to be intentional attentional purposeful and it is so when people say Queen this lab. You Getting Lean Molina all day and I wanted to shoot it and release it in the same year because I knew how urgent this was. I didn't WANNA do test. Screenings Down Langley was might WanNa do at least one just in case. There's something missing. I said fair enough but it had to be all black. She was like okay. And I'll say it. Whatever they saying that screening? I don't have to be forced to do it because sometimes we don't even know as honest what we need. You know since I wanNA push us a little bit further. We may be ready for right so she was okay fair enough And we also wanted a lot of control of the marketing. That's what I think. The billboards look a certain way. That trailer feels a certain way. Because we didn't want to just make the movie we wanted to be neutral of how we rolled it out and I wouldn't use that in Hollywood people watching this realize it never happened and the big thing was we wanted to break take a new actress. Since we had Daniel Khalil was very recognizable. We wanted to bring a new face and we want her to be Brown skinned and nobody blinked it up. They were like fair fair fair. You got it at. We're like awesome. Then we'll sign that lie and we really. That was the thing we knew our power we knew are worth and we demand it what we deserved. Doesn't that speak to the position. You've put yourself in Hollywood now though with the success of the shy which got its third season adulation thank you so much. And you're winning Ami and everything else you've sort of put yourself in that place. I can even venture to suggest any of that to a movie studio alone have them say yes to it. Yeah I mean I think it was a combination of the fact that I had kind of You know have a feather to my hat. And they were kind of. Can't deny you look okay. I know what you're doing a little bit But also I think it was the power of the script. I think people really look that script and understand that I was doing something a little different and something that really kind of had been done before but also to. I think it was the power of the fact that Molina you know have been building her resume and people are very excited about her first feature. Daniel obviously didn't hurt because of the heat that he had and so it was really. We are a product of black community when people come together and we're stronger together than we are alone and I think it was the combination of all those things and also to really you know grateful to make ready the Pam Abdomen Brad Weston. Who really fought hard to get in there with us and become such great collaborators? who had a deal with universal and we love how I universal released? Get out how they released Outta Compton which were very like specific niece black movies that they made temple so I was really impressed with how they were releasing content content with black people at the center of it and not treating them like small independent movies for rather really big event films which is how they really rolled out cleanest lent which has been so exciting. The big reason why a broad audience is is excited about the film and not just a certain pocket of people in all those movies did well. To salute became huge awards and everything. Yeah Yeah Yeah. I don't I never liked to ask somebody that's been I'm going to ask anyway. The awards chatter. That's out there. I know it's early jinx and all the rest but do you hear that. Is that exciting citing. Does it matter to you. I do hear it. I think to me I really want the culture to appreciate it. That's what we do it for. You know we want our people to come come up to us and say thank you. That's to me the greatest reward but also know what awards me. I've got one of them. You know so. I know that it increases the visibility. Also makes is it easier to get things done but also to cosign from your your your your community because the Television Academy or the Motion Picture Academy. They're made up of a lot of people who work in the business or do what we do so for for them to say. Hey we think this is good. Oh we think you could be a part of this just like elite club of films that we want to honor and hold in high regard for a very long time. I'm I do. Welcome that because I think that movies like this. This deserve to be in those conversations because more than not it is. The White House is like mostly predominantly white casts. White direct is also reserved for films like dad but I think seeing get out best original screenplay saying Moonlight won best picture. Those moments are really huge. Black Panther being nominated in the best picture category does moments really show us that not only do deserve a seat at the table but we deserved to sit at the head of it and to to have our own table And it's a build our own table you know. It's not just about asking for permission. But we deserve to be in those conversations like everybody else. You're going to be at some of those tables I think so. Let's see let's the cable see what happens. Hey guys thanks for listening to the Sunday. Sit Down podcast stick around to hear more from lean awaith right after the break. Hey it's josh megawatts from dateline. 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And I think it's no coincidence that our politics are getting more tribal. Join me for. Why is this happening? New who episodes every Tuesday. Wherever you get your podcasts? Welcome back to the Sunday. Sit Down podcast now. More of my conversation with Lena Waif the shy. I ask you about that as well just because to me again. You've so been able to do things that come from you. which is unusual? Just the the way you were able to sort of control this film. Tom Is to be able to produce things that are meaningful to you. Where did the shy come from in terms of your background? And what did you want to say about the city and the culture well I'm from Chicago and very proudly and but I would see so many news stories about Chicago about the violence about issues. The city was having and look because I'm from there. I think I look at it from a different Lens and I know the people there I know how special it is. I know there's a culture. There's a community eighty there that often gets lost and some of the new stories so I really wanted to do was to humanize the people. Chicago's Best I could and I think a lot of times particularly black young men and Chicago Chicago are categorized as the gangsters heartless people and I'm just like no. I grew up with those there. I think you know didn't like my brothers others and and even though they may not be perfect they're not monsters and I thought that to me that's how they're being portrayed in the news and I didn't appreciate and that was the reason why I sat now started writing in it Brandon Kevin. Ronnie Ronnie was with my uncle who listens passed away. I grew up with a kid named Kogi literally. That was nickname Ethel his first name. You know all these things like I literally pulled from my family. Our community our lives to sort of really show people what Chicago feels like what it looks like and it looks like human beings trying to figure out this thing called life and I'm so grateful that people really tune in appreciate these characters and obviously this new season. We're going through some changes for sure but after like it's the most grounded and most human season of the show we've ever ever had because it really I had to go through adversity with the show. I we lost a cast member of to cast members actually and it was a scenario in which I I had to really dig deep and remember that the the shy is bigger than one person. Literally and figuratively Chicago is made up of so many people and we got. It's a really give some of these other characters new characters a little more real estate to to come in and tell a new story about this city that I love is that big responsibility to be the one who's going to tell the story of the city you love like okay. This is what the world is going to see Takagi. I better get this right. Do you feel that. It's tough tough hitter. You can't believe everyone of you can't so I don't even try you know for me. It's more about how honest can I make this for me. You know and again they can never be just one show about Chicago because Chicago is so vast and there's so many different kinds of people that live in that city you could tell eighteen shows about Chicago and they never could even touch. I teach other because there's also so many little pockets so many little neighborhoods in Chicago as well. Most people aren't even aware of so we're talking about certain pockets on the south side right and we also ventured to the west side every now and then but we there's no way to cover that whole city in just one series. We're trying to talk about individuals in the city and how that city has affected them And how city can hold onto you and never let you go or did he can feed you. How sometimes it can make? Are you frustrated how you can fall in love in that city you can get a job lose a job in that city. It's really more about telling the human story rather than just I'm trying to make everyone that lives in that city field height. Oh Yeah. That's Masha cargo. Everybody has a very different version of the city. And so that's what we try to remember. It's like hey this is our version of Chicago. What makes your perspective so interesting? We were talking about this before we started is that you have the different views of the city on the south side going to Evanston and and how that sort of informed you culturally and allowed you to tell some of the stories absolutely. Yeah what was it about that sort of mixed from the south side and Evanston they made your point of view so interesting well forward. A big thing for me was when I was on the south side of Chicago I only really encounter black people. That was my experience. You know up until I was twelve of years old and I loved it was amazing. It was great I was like Oh this is such a wonderful utopia then. I moved to a suburb. It wasn't too bad. Evanston is pretty diverse. It's not skokie no shave skokie. Evanston has a little bit more diversity and but still I was very much a culture culture shock for me. I wasn't used to that I was in school. They didn't feel like the school. I was in the south side which we try to tackle on the season. The shy about what. That's like when you go from you know this school to a more private school and how that affects how you walk through the hallway a little bit and so it definitely expanded my perspective effective because I talked to folks that ordinarily probably wouldn't talk to and befriended people that ordinarily wouldn't befriend and I think it made it so. I'm a better artist because of that today I really really having that exposure to a different neighborhood And then also too and I went to Columbia College in Chicago. Which is downtown Lou sort of being there and meeting People Columbia was also a unique perspective? I think for me it was really about meeting different. People and hearing different perspectives just sort of expands my mind in terms of how I want to tell stories of how to write characters up until this day I was reading some stories about you and the growing up you love. TV watching shows like cosby. Show you all the ones that we watch but you dreamed about writing those shows. Oh yeah the rest. I was trying to be Theo or wherever started. Show I write your young remind you were going to write. Those shows interesting perspective for young person. And how did you get to. I want to create that show not be on it other than I wound up being being on a show but really came from a teacher. You Know Fifth Grade Star bonus she was like Hey Turner Droop Academy Chicago. She he's like I look forward to reading your paper every week because you right the way you speak and as a fifth grader. I didn't really understand what that meant. But I knew that it was a compliment complement and I knew that she was highlighting something that I did. Well which was writing and I think I just always felt like that was my superpower to right and tell stories but also I loved watching television so I was gonNA marry those two things and say how can I tell stories on the television and but also I knew how those those stories impacting me. Yeah I mean. Production Companies Helmand grab productions which is taken from the fictitious hugh that they attend on a different world because that's how significant that show it was for me to see those images and those are very aspirational images because somebody could argue that. That wasn't my reality. Of course not. I wasn't in college yet. I wasn't old enough to even be thinking about it. I didn't know what to historically black college was until I watched a different world but it really showed me that black people could be smart educated and cool and fashionable and fall in love live and learn about Malcolm X.. and Dr King and all these things I mean that show to me still is lightning in a bottle and and you Kinda can't recapture there's always wanted want to make a different world again. I'm like it was a moment in time but I'm grateful for that moment because if it wasn't for that show I wouldn't be sitting across from me right now. By the way all those things we had the same impression young the white kids vision even though a specific as it was it was number two Nielsen Ratings. The cosby show a different world. And you don't get blacker than those shows. Even though they were very they were very easy to watch and very universal but it was like a different world was a little show about a historically black college. Like I don't think understand mistake like and it was like number two on. NBC Like please like it was that was nuts and that's thirty years ago and for me to be a kid like having that it changed my whole life so you knew then pretty young what you wanted to do with your life. You graduate. College moved to L. A.. Quickly what was the plan going out there. What did you WANNA do with yourself? And what were those early years early years were very broke. didn't have a lot of money interning time Working odd jobs house dogs. Do you pay the dues. But I really wanted to conquer I wanted to conquer La. I want to conquer the town. That was the mindset. I walked out there with and and I meant like like by conquering it. I want to be the mastermind craft. I wanted to be a really great writer I want to. I want to be very hard worker and that was really mine my intent. I wanted to be the best and I'm still working at that. I don't think I've gotten there yet. I still think a lot of Mar.. I still have so much more to do but but I wanted to be a constant student of the craft of writing because of the ones I looked at as the greats and all those movies I will watch. TV shows. I would say man those. Those people really know what they're doing like people like Norman Lear. And you know and Debbie Allen and Shonda rhimes and David Kelly and Aaron Sorkin Matthew Line are these is are all people that I looked up to and admire. They had a singular voice in a specific vision. And that's why there weren't really spoke to so many people and I love that I love of that how intimate television can be. It's even more intimate now. 'cause you can watch on your laptop or your phone It's still very honored to be a part of this television landscape unscathed with behind the scenes. Obviously sometimes in front of it too but I think television is such a powerful powerful medium because we really get to communicate with people in their living room or in their bedrooms when their car while they're waiting in line It's important that we're talking directly to people and not preaching the people not giving them a specific message but starting conversations and and I enjoy doing that. So what was the moment Lena in that trip where you felt like okay. I'm here now. I've done something people like something people have heard about out. I'm starting to make a little noise out here. I think I can survive. The Emmy might have been that moment to say that but I know for for you. There was something before that I mean the thing was it was that was that was a moment of. I've arrived for sure that was definitely and a rival moment. Because there's no turning back after that it was almost aside my place in history people stood up and saw me me in a real way and and I took that to me. Okay now I'll go for it. There's nothing I can't get done because I know because I've had this moment this moment in time and I'm going to earn this moment I just had But yeah before that I just felt like if I could write a good script that I felt good about people enjoyed that to me was also a moment of arrival as well so and I knew after Thanksgiving episode. The script was good before I was nominated for an I had to feel like it was good for after validate me before anyone else can so that was also a moment to for me to read that script and the Austat cutting goes. Yeah I feel good about that. I had no idea it would become what it did But that moment was sort of the industry saying you did good the kid and again coming back to the theme a personal story. Yeah we're able to do that script. Yeah was that a difficult thing to do or that feel. Oh good thing I've ever seen. These wrote that while I was in London Filming Ready Player one. Just because that's how the schedule worked out. We wanted in three days three the days off of the movie and he came to. I went to his hotel room and like we just sat and passed the laptop back and forth wash old music videos talked about stuff. I remember. There's just on things In that hotel was what we say we want to Molina to direct it. We just really kind of came together and worked quickly which we tend to do but yeah and it was such A. It was easy to tell that story because I had lived in survived survived. I I lived until I did the thing I came out the other side and I have more perspective without sitting down to write. It was around the time I came out I didn't have any. I was frustrated. I was confused I didn't know what the future held so I was very different space but being in London Spielberg movie and disease flew into to write the script with me. I was like I was going to tell my story man like I've like I valid this my who I am how I present myself. I'm just as valid valid as everyone else and I think that was a space. I had to be an for me to sit down and tell that story to see people respond to it that way not only been like watching it but the hand you a trophy and put you up on stage where it must have been incredibly validating your experience absolutely and the thing is that was industry moment and cool but every single day someone comes up to me gay and straight. That's the thing straight. People love that episode but they come up and say Oh that episode television change my life or I walk. I watched that with of my parents. You know after I come out Kinda stuff. That's the true reward fast a gift. Yeah the real life version of that story coming out more difficult than writing about it. Sure so what was that experience like for you. Coming out is never fun. It's not fun. 'cause you Kinda have to prepare yourself for the worst. That's we're coming up. I think it's so difficult for people because you don't know what the other side is going to be. You may think you do but you never know and there are people that are put out of their homes. People that are owned owned by their family people that are ridiculed people that are people throw bibles at them. I mean it is. I think probably one of the most difficult things a person person can can really experience as a gay person because you or Queer Person Because you really have no idea how your family your friends a home ever co workers wherever you as. You're coming out to how they're going to respond. But you have to prepare yourself for anything right and and it is it is. It's the rights of passage. It's a thing that we've all experienced but it's the thing that we all can survive if we can but also too there's a level of privilege that comes coming out as well because if you don't have the means if you don't have the funds to live on your own or to not get even though yes as illegal to get fire fire someone for their sexual orientation but who knows where people so. They can figure you got a way to do that. What if you're frayed of losing a job afraid of out of your house so coming out is a privilege? I think that's something that we society needs to understand. That's interesting even. I thought of it that way. Absolutely stick around here. More from Lena Waif on the Sunday sit down podcast including why she started her production company Hillman Grad and the story worry behind her low key wedding to wife Alana Mayo. Welcome back to the Sunday. Sit Down podcast now. More of my conversation with lean away so so we were talking about your foundation. The your production company yes helmet Grad and the part. You're able to play now in the culture culture and in the business where you can hand down what you know and give opportunity to other people because of the work you've done in the spotlight you now have. You can help. Put some other people people in that spotlight. Why is that important to? You is important because I want to leave this business in better shape than I found it in and I I think the best way to do that is to mentor is to educate is to make sure people that are not. They don't have the privilege to leave. Everything comes to Los Angeles or New York and just to pursue their dream. We want to sort of level playing field. We want to find the funds to help people go to writing class. Help people acting classes help people learn the crap that they so desperately want to be a part of because we want to raise their hands saying I want to be a writer but everybody has to take writing classes to take time out of their day to be writing groups and all that kind of stuff it takes a lot to become a good writer. It takes a lot to become a good actor. It takes a lot to learn to being a producer director and people want to do it. But if you don't have the crash or the skill you're not going to be able to break in or less you. One of those rare beings knows how to director knows how to write really well this very few of those people and also I had to learn the craft I went. I'm just GonNa be a college and studied writing and producing television. And that's why we're not came out to La. I was able to hit the ground running but most people you know sort of realized at forty five. You know what I don't WanNa do this job. I WANNA go right. I WANNA wreck and that's cool too. You know I want. I want those folks to know that like. Hey We're here we WANNA help. We want to be supportive. We went no. We can do to help someone really pursue their dream and eventually live it. Does I do believe that everyone has a gift. Everyone does you either embrace it or you could suppress it and I think I think a lot of people choose to suppress. They got bills to pay the families take care of responsibilities but there's a difference in the way someone walks in the world by someone who just thinks about they dream versus someone. Who's living in and you help people do that? I love what you say that people are into your calls more often now since the and you say hey while I got you on the phone look at this writer this. This came from the industry. So don't wants to say oh great. Donald Isa Lena Cool you know and I was just like Nah is is a wholesaler of us and we all have to be here. We all have opportunities and we all deserve to have our stories told last. Obviously most importantly congratulations on your marriage. That's incredible so. Was it as casual as it sounds. I was listening to tell John. Legend the store driving by there. We you know. No we We actually have a really close friend. Who Lives in San Francisco My wife loves going and And so yes she was at this idea. So why. Don't we get married City Hall there. You're wrong because it's beautiful and too because it has so much history With our community and I was like. Oh yeah that's a great idea and we just decided to keep just us. It was so much easier that way and also a great photographer as well Audrey Wagner who Who Shot the poster if acquaintance limb And so he captured us as well queen and Queen but that was it and also we're so we're a little lazy. We don't want to plan a thing. We didn't want to be in those clothes all day. We were just like so. We're both Torrens our tour. She's a tourist so we we like nice things but we also like to chill and hang out as so. That's what we've got to. We've got to go get married really quickly. We've got some eat after hanging out with the hotel and back to work pretty quickly wedding. Picking Out Napkin. I mean she could have planned a beautiful wedding. I stop but I just think it would have been too exhausted and we're very blessed very busy right now in the business so we will get this done. Well we'll do it felt we've been married for this whole time now. We just have a nice jewelry to go with it but Yeah we wanted to kind of get it done. Quick and easy no Muss no fuss and it was sort of. I think it was the best decision. That's great and I have to ask you what's what's next for you. What's on the horizon? You're still young. You got a lot of road ahead. uh-huh big plan. Oh man this is the beginning. What are you shooting for? Twenty s which is loosely based on my twenties living in La Hustle and bustle and being a PA and being a runner? That'll be on the in February of next year. So very excitable the half hour single camera comedy eight episodes that really. I think we'll get people laughing and inspire falls onto follow their dreams. I'm going to be in Westworld A Nice season which is exciting. which would be out Next year and and then also awesome producing a TV show. That'll be on Amazon them them covenant is the first season. It's all about a black family that moves to an all white compton. Yes companies to be all white in nineteen fifty three Harry and the only thing scarier than the white neighbors that don't want them. There is the haunted house that they've just so it's going to be something special. Yeah are busy. Yeah a little bit found tiny getting. Mary did exactly we. We got a big congratulations to lean on her marriage and my big thanks to her for a great conversation. Her new movie Queen and Slim is in theaters. Now I'm joined right now in the Sunday. Sit Down podcast by the producer. Maggie Law Hi really good to see you. Also making her Sunday sit down podcast debut and and looking thrilled about the prospect leash. Thanks for having me Oak. said to be here. So at least you produce the interview with lead away I confess confess before we started for. We really dug it. I didn't know a ton about lean away. Of course I knew she was Through all the shows that she's done but I didn't know her whole life story Oh I didn't know how engaged she's been with her Hillman Grad Production Network of making sure that young people like she was not so long ago. Get their chance in Hollywood to come up just a super interesting person to sit across from for an hour absolutely and I think for me I remember her emmy speech because it was so uplifting and I think it went a little little bit viral with the whole idea. That being different is what makes you special useful in Hollywood. And then of course her gala. The Rainbow Robe which was like the classiest most amazing thing that I've ever seen so that was for me like the starting point and then to find out so much more speaking of splashy Washington. Maggie is heard that she was a sneaker head. Yes which I think you would call yourself browse the heads of rare. I just go to tanger outlet on the Boom Outlet Long Island over twenty nine ninety nine. I'm out right but but so I was so I wore a pair of Jordan's good old Jordan. Little twist on the original nice orden ones like it. She came in and totally one up with sneakers. But with the most resplendent extraordinary pair of slippers slicer suit like a high fashion two piece suits Sherry and then I looked down for the sneakers occurs okay. We're going to have a sneaker thing. Slippers slippers likes lives. They were they were slides but they were like very fancy leather slide. Slide with bunny ears literally looked like slippers. Yeah works actual bedtime slippers to be worn out in public noon. Sooner whenever we spoke and she looked fabulous fantastic. Sure she looked amazing. Did they had floppy bunny ears on either side when she walked down the bunny ears ears flop music with the level of self confidence and so. I don't think I have to wear a pair of slippers catching you aired slippers. The master of none Fan. I love master of none. That's she won the Emmy of course for reading that. Yeah I was GonNa say I think the Emmy speech is sort. We'll put her on the map for most people. And that's I mean I knew her as somebody on the show but then to see that speech. You're like Oh wow. She's go places in Hollywood for sure you heard in the interview I was born in Evanston to. I lived there until I was five. She and I would have gone probably to high school together. Although I'm a little older than she has gone to the same high school anyway and I loved what she said about Coming from South Chicago and moving out to the suburbs and like getting a new understanding of different cultures. That's informed and help her become a better at a writer and producer and and Hollywood force that she's become and it's great. That's the whole point behind. The shy right is that there's no one Chicago and that every experience variance that everyone has is just as human whether you're in Evanston or the south side Yeah and it's nice that she can have all those perspectives. I hope a bunch of people go see this new movie. You'll see it. You'll be uncomfortable at times. It's fair to say I'd be interested to hear what everybody thinks about it. It definitely test you But it's a good flick. It's called Queen and Slim Amazon mentioned. It's in theaters. Now Leash Maggie. Thank you both and thank all of you as well for tuning in again this week. 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Lena Dunham & Maggie Gyllenhaal - 10/10/18

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Lena Dunham & Maggie Gyllenhaal - 10/10/18

"Welcome to the Bravo clubhouse for the podcast division of watch what happens. Live with me. Andy Cohen. Hey, everybody attendee in the clubhouse we've got Lena Donna making her clubhouse debut tonight. She is requested to play plead the fifth. She also she is a huge Arinda fan and wanted to do something having to do with their Inda. We are going to make her dreams come true. I, I have a, I think it's a pretty sharp plead the fifth that we're going to play with her. So knowing her, I feel like she might. She might go for it. You know, she's someone who answers a lot and then she winds up by me new apologies for stuff. Two days later, which is my kind of woman. She's on with Maggie Jilin all who I love. It's her fourth appearance. She always leaves. I think she's never gonna come back and then she comes back. So see what happens. Her HBO show takes place in the wilderness and hers takes place in a time before manscaping. It's what's whatever's live with Lena Donovan, Maggie Jilin all now. Cohen in the Bravo clubhouse to two very successful members of the entertainment industry who probably can't remember the last time they were in a room this cramped. You're welcome on. My first guest is a mega successful writer director and actress known for girls and tiny furniture. She is back now as the writer and EP of the new show camping on HBO, please welcome lead it done on. We've made our guess whether she was looking at pictures of her brother or husband and strangely, she's still came back her new movie. The kindergarten teacher drops this Friday on Netflix, welcome back Maggie Jilin. Do the two of, you know, each other? Yeah, we do. Okay. Good. Well, I'm happy for that behind the bar. He's in the vans years and years. But tonight he's getting me drunk until it takes years and years off of my life. Just kidding. Say Ida, Holly Alexander, you can go see. I almost wore those suspenders. So glad bar these from you. That's why I'm not wearing them. Let's get started. You don't leader. You're making your clubhouse debut. You're going to be playing. Every time I run into Lena's, she surprises me with her extensive Bravo knowledge. I didn't realize that you actually really, truly do watch almost pretty much everything on the channel do. That makes me very happy. And. Dallas right now? I am. I'm really isn't Dallas. I've been following the whole Jeff Lewis. Jenny thing was a fair side. That's I know that's in a different. Yup. Hemisphere of the Bravo were off a. Yeah, I'm very into doubt. Okay. We have a sneak peek for you of next week's episode of friendship is tested when Lee end. Yes, you're right. That's a really good point, but leeann Deandra are going through it. And that continues next week take a look. I worry that whenever you and brandy or together that it's always about out. Yes, I drink last one. If I'm going back to work, I'm even white left saying. I feel like time there with her. All you do is end up drink. That is pretty -fensive to be this five dairy calculated really strange to me when we're talking about something, we're on the sending. You hit me with this new accusation and whether or not she says, alcoholic or drunks. That's what she's applied. That of course, happens at Carey's debut of her new plastic surgery centers, so that without its drama, Lena. Maggie Jilin all or your your questions. But before we get to those, here's what three things I'm obsessed with tonight. I Lina in Maggie know all about how to survive in the wildland owed as Hollywood, but in honor of Lena's do show camping. Have you ever wondered which of them could help you stay hydrated or fend off a bear in the great outdoors? No, just me. Okay. Well, here's what let's play celebs in the while. I'm going to walk us through some survival scenarios that may occur in the wild. We want to find out whether you to have good survival instincts. What article of clothing can also be used as a respirator mask during an outdoor smoke emergency socks, bra underwear bra. You're right. In the cops in place that you wrote, what type of alcohol can help you keep bugs away. If you spray it on your body to kilo or vodka. Yes, you're right. If you use the ladies room during its chilly, winter camping night, what is recommended that you use as a substitute to toilet paper? A wealth tax no-ball or a piece of I, I. I definitely go with snowball. How much could've Albers person survive without water in the wilderness days four, three. What's the best thing to do when you see a bear quiet, we should away intimidated by charging or make yourself loud and big Ladan day. Yes. By children through our boss. If you get bitten by venomous snake, you should immediately suck out the venom with your mouth to revolt. It's false mouth on it. We'll deliver extra bacteria and you can potentially get venom into your mouth kind of makes sense. Meg, if your phone accidentally drops in a lake, what's the most common way to save it? Put it in some rights? Yes. One, but I didn't out together. Wilderness, then I just kinda went back and made it sound like a contest. We were like the camp counselors together. Going back and forth camp counselor. I'm the CIT for. You're making me feel old second, you show the dues uses. Incr- uses its incredible costumes to transport you back to the seventies, but when it comes to the fashion of the time, which transmitter feel light and breezy like a peasant blouse and which Makerfield dirtier than a nineteen seventies porn. Stash ears wedding signed for fashion deuces a look back at some vintage fashion trends. If you think they should never make a comeback say deuces. Okay. What about bull bushes down there? Yes, we like them. You know what? I love a good. What about faira faucet like hair. Oh, okay. What about hot. Yes. Okay. What about music. What about headscarves do? What about tie. Oh. What about dying? High boots. Very much. Is one of the worst buzzed about artists in the industry. Everything Lena says seems to cause a star, but let's see if we can keep storing just a little more. Here's what Lena Dunham you and I did play plead the fifth once on a stage. Parity charity event, and I got you to say what that I would move to Canada if Donald Trump was elected and what happened as a result, I didn't have to Canada that it's all I hear about day and I apologize, but here's what you asked for it. You got it. Lena Dunham the tightest gun for you to plead. Legal. To only one they won celebrity in Hollywood, who you think is the biggest misogynist. This is such a roughing because there's so many. This award to? I'm trying to think honestly, if someone who said selling hideous about my body so I can just direct. Since. Okay. This isn't a person who has a ton of power, the small amount. He has a used for ill and that's Daniel Tosh. He said a really unkind thing about my breasts, but he said context, context in which I felt like he was shutting down a lot of women for having bodies heating considered to be normative. It's sort of like he's dumb one to mention because he can't do anything, but he's just some herb like. I don't actually even know who comedy central. It's better this way. Okay. Lena. When girls went into its third season, Christopher Abbott was not brought back to the show, and there were rumors that was because you had differences with him. He made an appearance season. Five. Can you set the record straight? What happened between the two of you? We're friends again now, and I joke about time. I would say our difference was that. I was amazing at my job and he couldn't handle that. Okay. I mean, he just played like, I don't know what to say like, he just didn't want to do it anymore. Can weed out. And by the way like his progress, like he had plenty of great reasons. But I do remember he said Nope. Being stumped on a sitcom, and I didn't let that to artists and I, and we've come to a great place. We have a special question from your Powell and former girls co star, Andrew, rannells look right here. Lina who has been your least favorite of Taylor SWIFT's boyfriends. I will point out of course that you are seated next to sister of one of Taylor SWIFT's former boyfriends. So choose your gentlemen, careful. My least favorite of Taylor's boyfriends. And I wanna do right by on this question and I'm also because I haven't keyed pled the fifth on any of. And I think that makes some kind of champion. My least favorite was have Harris because I felt that he was petty in the public Poon needs to do that. Shoot. Out store. Now the film looks incredible and you play. With a gifted kid. Right. Wow. She's obsessed with this guy. Yeah, yes. It's really the movie is really about the consequences of what happens when you starve a vibrant woman's mind. Well, how it's kind of a thriller movie slash intimate portrait of a woman's mind. Gus, what I know what I'm doing tonight that flicks let's go to Carla from Cincinnati, Carla. Hey, my question is for. I wanna know what you would action wants to tear of finally making a political stances week and urging people to vote in the midterm. That was great. That was really amazing. I mean, I'm always proud of Taylor. She's been. She's not only in amazing to me on a personal level, but she's an amazing friend to lots of people in the world. And so I think this it was she felt it was time for her to talk about politics and I never judged her for considering that private domain. But I think she chose a really, really powerful time to speak out and I'm so moved on. Megi Jordan t wants to know if there was ever a storyline or sexy seen pitched on the deuce that you refuse to do ever. But also you're a producer on the show and you have serious input. I'm kidding. Yeah. I mean, like nobody's asking me to do things that are sexist or ridiculous, or, you know, out of control like, well, after the show. I'll do a guest star on. In the wants to know, we supplies that your name was thrown in the mix as the person who bit beyond say at that time, that was incredible. I was like, I wish bit beyond. What a cool claim to fame? No, it was. I mean, every time something horrible happens. People throw my name in the mic. I'm the least likely person to buy Valentine, incredibly conflict averse, right? I don't drink. I never leave my house. She'd have to come into my house while I was sleeping for you to bite her to bite her. Her that is Vanni. So I, I'm surprised that the movie is, you know, it's think it's called the kindergarten teacher and we were talking about earlier and I was like, oh, it's about some of the gifted kid. And then I was surprised it seems like a turn that it's actually kind of a psychological thrillers. I kinda like the idea that. Some people might go into the movies thinking that they're going to watch like a sweet movie about a kindergarten teacher, although I'm in it. So I don't know if that gives you any clues, but it's really something else like dark dark. Well, I like movies that make you wanna get up and change things that are about the world. That's good. That's not joining guys does. Yes. Okay. Guys, it's game time. Throw us to be the boss onset. When she found out she was doing the show, she basically began producing her own segments by requesting an audience with a certain house. So I've always makes it nice. So leader since I make dreams come true, it's time for clubhouse playhouse hologram addition. Scream, a hologram of your scene partner to render medley is waiting to star opposite you in the iconic clip scenes from season nine of outsides of New York. You will be playing Sonja Morgan, which is, I know is a role that you will appreciate. Okay, we're ready and see, I swear. So when you working, I have never wanted to be party girl. John McAfee and said, you were totally on board for all of it with the ball. Chew my left leg off party tipsy girl. John mmkay and said, I spoke to doing. Married to John Medecin. John Medecin doesn't want my stinks. I'm just saying he said he's spoke with you into back up and take it back now. You originally wanted to work with me for tipsy, stopping in the middle. You're bankrupt. I have your favorites fraud stop. Oh, wow. You're really business woman. The most. To try to me. I'm not about going backwards ass. Wipe. Shocking. You do your big Arinda fan, loved her into what do you love him? I love her hair. I love her shoes. Sort of like he's doing kind of the closest there isn't a housewife university, like an any Lennox style. Like I like that he is an independent thinker and I like her kind of like her, Kathleen Turner, voice. I love Jennifer garner and Bridget Everett. So this show is clearly for me anything. We just got a couple of, I know you're not supposed to say this. I don't read reviews, but we had a couple of rough reviews and it was like it's one of the first time in my life where Finley, I knew this isn't true. These women are amazing, and it's really good. I just I really like it and I'm not in it and I didn't directed. So I'm watching from this. We're such a great writer. Let's go to Kristen from Dallas. Hey, Kristen, which question. Let me so much. My question is for Maggie Maggie. What is your favorite memory of working with heath ledger on the film? The dark Knight. You know. I wonder if this isn't, it may be specific enough, but I remember coming to work and seeing him that scene where where the joker throws me off a roof and seeing him come in and start to do what he was doing. You know it was the first time I saw it and I thought, and I still think about this sometimes. It's so hard to be good in a huge movie like that. That's not about the acting, really. It's so much easier to be good and like a little tiny movie where you know it's all about you to be amazing. Like the way heath was in in a movie. That's got explosions and like huge stunt scenes and big sets is like a whole 'nother thing. And I don't know if anyone's ever ever done that as well as he did in the dark Knight. That's a really good point because that was really the thing when that movie came out was like, man, he, it's like, he's too good to be in a movie like this. Yeah, yeah, delivered. And everyone always said, what a lovely guy he was. Yeah, and it felt like that onset to, you're like, whoa. Okay. Here on a whole 'nother level, you lose Tarver my mazal of the day. It goes to the new disgusting food museum in Sweden that is exclusively dedicated the foods such as Chinese mouse wine. And star Deion. Viagra, it sounds progressive. I'm not sure if this already has a curator or not, but I can think of one excellent candidate. Qwerty. Putin for deciding to go shirtless yet again for his twenty nineteen and you will calendar. Okay. PSA time hero people who can do shirtless calendars, firemen, firemen holding poppies rowing teams, rowing teams holding puppies two-thirds of insane, and two-thirds of instinct holding puppies. I'm so sorry. Get cater. Asked for leaders didn't make the cut. Camping? Premiers October fourteenth right after the do starring. The kid keeps her is out Friday on net flicks and in selected IRS and Ali Alexander's. Seldom in the short film. What's the short film if Judy knew rates, it Ben wish who makes the cameo go took it out. Wow. I love it. Let's go to the phones, Patty from Dallas. Hey, Patty, what's your question. Hey, my questions for Lena. Looking back on the girls finale anything that you would have changed about the episode and is there still a plan for an eventual movie crank questions. Look back in the finale. Is there anything would have changed about the episode. Okay. This is Connie one, but we, I was supposed to be a nursing mother and so they I was supposed to have like a kind of like six weeks postpartum baby and they had faked with nursing nipples glued on, and there were two variations. There was a lighter one darker one, and I wish I'd gone with the darker way. That is those who civic and I appreciate it. Girls the I think it's, I mean, you know that castor stole some best friends in the world. I think it would be amazing. It's just about, like, you know, enough time has to pass that there's something to say, let's go to Tracy from South Dakota with a question for my guess. Tracey. Hi Maggie. I am issues fan of gifts and expand note that ending, exceeding. Do you have any out? Ending has gonna end that you know how it's gonna end. I know a little. So was it was it when you when you when you all were discussing the the series at the beginning? We're you saying this is a three season Mark, and so did they pitch you the whole arc of the whole three years then. No, sort of. I mean, I only had three scripts when we started. I'd never done anything like that before out of whatever's gonna be twenty six, I think in the end. So they told me some, but it's definitely shifted as time has gone on. I mean, you wouldn't want me to tell you what I know. I, I will say, I can't imagine it's going to be like an across the board happy ending, but that's it. I think I can share. Yeah, I know. Little, I know little. Yeah, let's go to Andy from Cincinnati. Hey, Andy, what's your Washington? High handy. I'm a first time caller. After criticizing the MAC gala in the past, why did you decide to ten this year? And did you witness any freaking out over Madonna this year? I did it win this, Andy freaking out over Madonna. And I actually, I never really. Said that was sort of taken out of context. Like I never said, I didn't like the Macau. I said I was stressed out and didn't feel like I was like model Askin approach, but I was like it's cool to be there in fascinating to see we're any time in the bathroom together. This is gut in. No, I think it's importance racks. She wanted to hear it before, which is that I was really the year before this last one. I was super sick at the met. I was having I have some holiday is and yes, good news of the terminal transis Andy. Correct? Yeah. Okay, good. Follow you. You. I was really sick and I, I passed out and I went into the bathroom in Maggie was the person who sat with intern care. Nice. And there were so many like models to do the damn thing in their cigarettes. There that the worst place for you to be with ABC's sat with me in the big stall and on you were in their new to beautiful and your an angel pretty beautiful too. I could tell you be a really good mom. 'cause I found your presence incredibly comforting in your good lady. As to very sweet story. Do you get. You are there have been articles written about how much you are forced to apologize in your in your time. Do you ever think I'm gonna go off Twitter or I should censor myself or I probably should. I don't. And I, it's funny people are always like she had to like, I didn't have to apologize. Right. I chose to apologize actually think is very adult thing to. When you say something, when you comment on something and then the press says, oh, they're breaking their silence on something, not breaking any silence from Saint. If you knew me, you know, I was talking about it to everyone. All right. Let's go to Erin from Ohio. Hey, Aaron, what your question. Hi may. I was just wondering if if you're a real housewife a, what would your tagline. Very great question. I got some help work shopping this from my friend, Mary Kay, and she came up with this, which I thought was really nice, concise and try to deliver it well, look into the camera. Keira. Smarter than the prettier ones, prettier them. 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597: Supergirl S5E07 Review: "Tremors"

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597: Supergirl S5E07 Review: "Tremors"

"The welcome to the Super Girl Super Cast I'm Tricia Matt's son and I'm David Job and and I'm feeling less inhibited. And I'm Deanna. Chapman finally returning since I've caught up on the show. Now okay well. Today we are discussing Season five episode. Seven tremors. David went out. You remind us what happened. Alex and Kelly talk about past trauma. Kelly almost bricks them up. But they talk and we'll help each other heal John Mirren and malefic talk about past sins. John talks to his subconscious vision mirrored who rightfully tries to take some blame Vision Mirror knows that malefic his cage nearby and offers John Difficult Choice. John malefic bond which opens malefactor. John's feelings hugs happen. Lena and car talk about past betrayals Lena reveals herself to Caro while stealing myriad area to deliver do no harm Lena twist the metaphorical betrayal knife as far as he can and leaves Kara trapped and crying game mnay and Ramakand talk about the past. Leviathan is a bunch of aliens from Krypton Star System. who have been manipulating humanity? Since killing off the dinosaurs Soooo Margot Mikan both failed to get the medallion of Accra. So we'll see what he has planned. Also Alex and bree get hurt. When rip roars body explodes brainy gets less inhibited? Well another action packed episode and one with things happening that I was expecting to keep hovering for. Oh quite a few more episodes. I was amazed they did. The Lena reveal so so quickly this had so many reveals we because we get both the Leviathan reveal and Lena reveal. Wow yeah they're really pushing the pace this season and and I'm hoping it works out on the back half of the season because it feels like they're kind of trying to get through a ton of stuff before crisis happens because that's been touched on in some of the other shows but was supergirl. They're so focused on what's going on in their world that we haven't heard it mentioned agenda's much as we have on Arrow or the flash and it's one of those things where it makes you wonder okay. Is there going to be some massive thing that happens in supergirl and then we go right into crisis which is going to be an even more massive thing and you know with the way they're pushing this. Lena storyline I was like. Wow that's a lot to take in guys indeed. I can't believe that they're just going to dispose of the whole Leviathan plotline before crisis and so it must be that. They're just going to have some kind of low or something. Then we'll have some kind of temporary setback and go into hiding before Aurora back in the second half of the season. Something like that. Maybe that would be my guest to that. We're GONNA see a couple of episodes and then they'll be sort of a lead into crisis. Sort of implies implies a lull in the current plotline but this episode does still touch on a bunch of things that crisis will depend on because this episode covers Lexus. Death which which we can safely assume the monitor reversed and Lexus alive in some fashion as a luther are important probably to the crisis storyline as well. MALEFIC was brought here by the Monitor. So those two elements of this plot are part of the connective tissue of crisis. So we so some of those moving forward I'll be shocked if Leviathan wraps up Before Crisis Yep well since we've already started talking about a couple of them weakened either start with Lena and Kara or with the Malfa Marin thing so many options but I do have a lot of thoughts on Lena this season in general Roland. I know I have a little catching up here. Do since we're on episode seven here and I have not been able to say anything until now right well definitely you start then. Give give us a little summary of your feelings of what's happened so far yeah. I wasn't surprised that they eventually had Kara out herself to Lena. Lina basically but the way that Lena took it I think surprised because she always felt like the one character who was always hesitant to get close to everyone. We saw in some flashbacks. How she didn't really want to be part of cars personal life and she slowly warmed up to that so I guess because because of the fact that car was able to sort of break through that barrier with Lena it did sting a lot that she had to learn it from lex but we also know that Alexa just does stuff to spite? Lena and you would think she would be smart enough to know that by now so to have her completely. Do this sort of one eighty and become from the villain essentially or one of the many villains this season. There's a lot to keep track of. It was a little disappointing to me because it always felt like they wanted her to be be the luther who didn't turn into lax and that's essentially exactly what she's doing now and we saw that in the fortress of solitude seen right while she quite specifically says she is not a villain and You shouldn't have treated my one but most villains don't think of themselves as villains elected in either right. He thought he was saving humanity. But I mean any outside of the River River would know that lex is a bad person who likes hurting people. Lena doesn't like hurting people. It's just that she's got it in her head that mind mind. Controlling them is not a form of hurt which of course it is. Yeah Lena's definition of hurting is pretty warped in the storyline. Even at the beginning of the season I noted that. I don't like how we got here with Lena. I agree that it is just so transparent that the kicker that started all all of this off is really lexus manipulation of Lena and I think they've tried to sell it they gave us a past. Flashback where we saw Andrea. Dreyer betraying Lena. So we get like another one of these things and ex reason to show. Why Lena is so sensitive to it? Yeah but Lee is basically just wrong here and it. It is unfortunate to watch in some regards. I still kind of choose to watch season assuming that even if it wasn't Lexi's manipulation Lena still would've responded this way just to make this at least a story about Lena. Not Story of LEX manipulating Lena. 'cause I don't know if it really matters the challenge here is just that. Lina has a betrayal complex. Yeah and for some reason she thinks constantly reminding people about her having a betrayal complex. Makes it easier or better or solve the problem when all she was really doing was making it worse right even that she is in this mindset however I really enjoyed how she twisted the knife one one more time playing. Do you remember with Kara. And saying hey you remember when we were in the plane crash and I was so worried for you all the time. You could have saved this. Wow you're a really good actress Kara. It was so nice twisty. Kara goes onto say telling you the the truth was such a relief and them so glad that now we can be honest with each other and all of that is behind us and Lena says me too. I don't like how we got here but this episode has wonderful things in it. I Love Lena's complicated plan. I love how she manipulates car to get herself into the fortress of solitude I think as with all. CW shows their security questions that. I have to ask Lena. Didn't awful lot by touching the three buttons on a computer and when the L. Protocol came on and the computer says Luther Relinquish Kryptonite ring and transmit reporter watched immediately. Do you think Karl would at least respond to those details. Computer probably not wrong. She does have that car is defined by her her own. My God you have Kryptonite. How could you? I was just a little surprised there. I think they should have just not had those lines by the computer and it would have flowed better. I thought that she just assumed that the computer system was making a mistake making assumptions. About what luthor would bring in. I thought she just dismissed missed the idea. It was one of those things where I was like. Okay is that all that lex would really bring with it so the fact that it only said but those two things I was like. Okay something else is going on here and they're just making Kara too dumb to realize it was unfortunate line. I almost wonder that eight year there wasn't present and they didn't even know that was the line that was going to be said by the computer. Just weird and always but it didn't take away too much and everything else in the reveal was just so wonderfully painful even though Lena is just so wrong if only Lena could see and feel what was inside of cars. Mind well I have to say. I'm disappointed with Kara. That she keeps saying over and over when Lena talks about her pain choruses. It's such a relief if to have been able to tell you it's it's like she's skipping over Lena's pain and just focusing on her emotion of mild agitation having suppressed suppressed a secret. Yeah it really does feel mishandled on both ends of the friendship. And obviously Lena's is a lot more drastic because because she is taking all these extreme measures and she thinks she's not the villain but she certainly coming across that way and Kara is so willing to trust arrest her up until that moment when she's taking the one thing car wishes she could get rid of forever. I kind of wonder why custodians have a fascination of keeping dangerous Chris things she could have just destroyed it she really could have. Yeah Right. Nothing stopping you supergirl only thing. I'll give car credit for or at list. Some slack is how good of an actor. Lena is so wild true. That car is not being very considered to Lena's feelings. Lena is showing none of those feelings. It is part of Lena's deceit. That car is seeming inconsiderate. Yeah so cars left trapped in a force field but we assume he'll probably get out next episode at the moment. Maybe she's just too sad to get out with the pace that they're moving at pre rick crisis event. It does seem like that they're going to speed a few more things along here and it's hard to imagine a law with the leviathan stuff. But maybe you know. They thwart some of their plans. And then I have to regroup or something along those lines to where it wouldn't be attack attack attack all the time and Kara could have you know a few days to deal with the crisis or five days however many days it's running this year it's running five days three in December to in January. Okay it's GonNa be hard though because they now have a setup where Ramakand can sense wherever Lena is on earth and then can show up in pretty much instantly and try and kill her. Yeah so I don't quite know how they're going to do that. What we might see is do no harm come into play and it's possible? That's going to cause a lull is hard to say what they're going to wrap up quickly because these last couple of episodes have wrapped up in move the plot super fast. And I'm not quite sure because you're a crisis is so big. It could go a lot of different ways all we really know. Is I think that Lena is going to try and do something bad. And hopefully she's going to learn that maybe that was a mistake right well as far as I can see. There's nothing really preventing Lena from using Maria to implement her do no harm mind control as soon as she gets back. That may be the thing that happens over the next two episodes and we may not deal with Leviathan at all until the winter true. That's fair. Guess so the other Leviathan thing going on was Alex brainy getting to the secret hideout but it turning out that they got diverted. Oh and by the way our Ip rip roar yes so ooh brainy headed head injury which apparently weakened without completely disabling his inhibitor that prevents them from just being nevil brainy right so that was interesting you know he just turns blue taps one of his head thingies and and apparently he thinks it's fixed but then it turns out later that Nah something juggled in there. It's like a whole new world for him again. I have to admit so many heroes and superheroes around such massive explosions all the time and the scene really makes no sense except for damaging brainy and hurting. Alex folks I like that. If you're too close to an explosion you can get a concussion. You can get hurt really easily. And you need to recover damages done and while the ripper As a plot device makes no sense as a example of you can get her on the job doing these things. I quite liked it and very impressed by his image inducer sir deciding to present a cut. Where his bump thing was damaged and I like the fact that the Aleks did need a day of rest and our coverage but it is pretty inconsistent with other explosions that we've seen happen where people just kept doing things going? I'm for full realism is too much to ask. Let's just go for a taste realism. And that'll be enough. I'm not really asking for realism so much as consistency. I suppose suppose there's that consistency would be nice. What it right so one of the things that we see is Brainy with with his new enhanced peripheral brain vision as a sort of calls at that he gets with the loosening of the innovation and so he tracks down. LEVIATHANS headquarters is also coincidentally right here in national city and finds the secret headquarters on when he takes. Alex and Alex very sensibly tries to call supergirl but SONN chief courses busy with her battle at the fortress of solitude and so you take the elevator down and it turns out just to be an elevator shaft to a bunch of rocks and we see I forget her name again. The Johann car are woman the name we cannot pronounce. Madame says oh good. The security measures are working so right they were somehow on how purposefully diverted from the path that we saw margot the Leviathan agent taking earlier to get to the headquarters though really really. There's bits of that scene. That didn't make a lot of sense. Admittedly brains lines weren't supposed to make sense where he went from carpets to eruptions to emitted energy boosting brain functions. That that wasn't supposed to make sense. That's okay there's some iconography to hook up the locations to Leviathan. That's fine but the security measures in this episode are generally just strange range. They put a lantern on our security measures work. We let them find our super secret elevator. Which obviously connects to something? But we don't show them what it's connected to Weird there's also an economy of characters issue. Where really only the two of them go? There's no backup. No one's tracking what they're doing in the other plotline with John Going off on his his own and finding something which he should have had backup for so it generally felt like there was some risk taking that was unnecessary. But I don't know I suppose. Security measures are what security measures do on these shows. Yup Security measures are only as good as the people who are following or ignoring procedures. So there you have a lot of people on this show ignore thanks procedures. Whatever those backtracking a little bit me discovering this episode as he said David that actually Leviathan is an organization of Aliens? Only two of whom we have seen so far not sure whether there are any others or not but it appears that one of them. The Earth Bender definitely has power over the earth. Although I'm not sure why he would be powerless on on the fortress of solitude but anyway you know if he goes to the fortress of solitude and doesn't have powers there because it script on why does supergirl still have power in the fortress of solitude g solar powered earth powered Okay but anyway. The woman doesn't appear appear to have powers that we are shown yet anyway but she tells bender that he shouldn't rely on brute force all the time so so we soon that she has some kind of more subtle powers. I'm assuming she's an internet bender and I would like to note. Oh my they're using the word Earth suspenders. So many times this episode. I was so happy that I had made the bender joke. A few podcasts ago. About breath taker. And now we have Earth Spenders Alien Earth benders ancient Earth Benders. How do we find the Earth Bender? Wow I'm sure the AVATAR. The last Arab people are very happy. Now I think we do you actually know numbers because there are two other people at the table who are out of focus and this episode loves putting characters out of Focus. Focus in the background and it was mentioned that there were five leaders who escaped another sister planet around Krypton Star and we know that the elder her left. Whoever the elder was what does leaving mean I have no idea but it implies there were five of them that showed up and there are now four since they arrived and killed off all the dinosaurs so I think there are two others and they've yet to be introduced? We'll see if they're benders. So do you think they killed off the dinosaurs deliberately deliberately or was that just a thing that happened when they arrived by accident. Probably just a thing that happened when they arrived would be my guess because you know can't really live with dinosaurs. I don't think you crash your asteroid size spaceship though what does asteroid sized means. That's not a unit and is roughly roughly this big but we're not going to give you an exact size big enough to not burn up an atmosphere and small enough to not be a move. It was it was big enough to kill off the dinosaurs be. I would assume they crashed on earth and that was a side effect. Okay but we'll see I liked how lena's continuing to set up manipulation here that she's going to have supergirl safer but she's just doing this to get Leviathans attention. I think a lot out of that works really well. I quite like we have this. Someone WHO's trying to kill you walks into your room and for some reason. There's nothing stopping them now. They don't really the explain it but they do suggest that the security had been turned down to allow Margot come in. It's always nice. When they put a lantern on security failures but they still have enough security up such that Margaret can actually steal the medallion that Leviathan still wants right? Lena is protected from the energy. Weapon the Margot fires at her but the security isn't good enough to stop Margo from leaving again so that would seem to be a deficit in Lena's trap to me. Why did you let her get back right? Yeah I'm not totally sure. Lena is fully aware of what she got herself into taking Madelene. Still because we've seen that these characters are beyond strong you know super girl was using her powers and they just went right through them. And you're like Oh okay. And he's just GONNA put his body back together having you know there are so many unknowns with these characters and with Leviathan in general enroll that I think things are still really going to heat up before Elena can even get myriad working at least I feel like it would be more intense if they did it that that way. We really don't quite know what lean knows. Though because she did get all of information she had out of hope slash eve so there was a a data dump between the episodes codes that we didn't see right and also she has a bunch of background. Researching that medallion so she might have some context there so it's a little unclear what what Lena doesn't doesn't know also true. This episode put an Ice Lantern On. Here we're going to reuse footage of the attack from the in the park and was put up on the wall Again but this time they nicely excuse it because Brady says thank God for Sophie Culture. Should we talk about Alex Post explosion and since we only touched on it briefly before we get to that I just do want to ask one more question about the aliens. Okay so with all of the disasters in the past that he has been present at has he been causing those disasters and if so why if not has he been trying to alleviate them somehow and you just stopping humanity from being destroyed but still having disastrous happen. I don't see him alleviating anything honestly with the way he's acting being over a medallion. You know it's like he is going to great lengths to get this medallion back. Just because Lena is the one who has it. He didn't seem to be wanting it back. Back when Andrea had it you think he's just been causing various disasters throughout history to stop humanity from going in one direction or another. Well if you look had a lot of these actions historically would have been called acts of God and well guess what they were acts of God like being in this regard to the point where they actually accredited the flood that made no to float away so there were a lot of suggestions that this is sort of a nasty God where they would make horrible things happen to try and communicate their displeasure with man. And that is I think realistically the type of Old Testament not nasty like God that Ramakand represents and basically our whenever people did anything he didn't like he swatted them and I suppose humans we're just supposed to get the message. Yeah Dude like brainy ruefully saying you know people were saying this is just nature. There's nothing supernatural about it but it turns out that the fearmongers were right in a way. So Alex and Kelly Blonde pack here too. They actually talk about things which is always something that I appreciate seeing happen. Yes I think it's one of those moments where you can kind of feel it coming over the last maybe two or three episodes because of Kelly's reaction to things and the fact that she lost someone one. She loved in a very similar fashion to what Alex is going out and doing every day because it seems like there is no downtime at the. Do and even though she's the director of the do and typically directors aren't in the field so that's also one of those things where you're like okay. Well with. This is a fictional agency. That doesn't really exist so I guess we'll just run with it because Alex is the kind of person who is certainly going to want to be in the field and that's something something that Kelly is just struggling so hard with and even though I think this relationship was really good for Alex given that all she had been through previously Asli in all of the seasons up to this point essentially and to have it at least end with an adult conversation about something instead of just being ghosted or having these weird things happen it felt like such a relief to have it handled in this way. Indeed I agree they set it up very nicely because we have the previous episode where malefactors pretending to be an army friend of Kelly's who was suffering PTSD and then yeah. We historically have conversations stations of what happened to Kelly so I think they really nicely ramped this up They show that fish relationship has been good for Alex but has issues for Kelly looking back. Two seasons seasons ago this feels somewhat related in that Alex was supposed to become the director so that she would have a slightly less risky job so she could adopt a child and become a mother Korea. I expected still happening. They haven't gotten around to it yet. I forgot about it right. Well I think she keeps sending out the most capable person person she knows on these missions and that happens to be herself so maybe she really needs to work on some mentoring of the Junior d Joe People so that they can handle the mission once in a while. I think if they're going to sort of curb the love interest storyline to that would open up some room for a a member of the D. O. to have a more prominent role because really we don't get too much of a lot of other members of the. Do which I think is a shame. Shame they should probably bring like one or two of them to the forefront a little more every now and then because otherwise. It's just kind of Alex and brainy and supergirl and other people are just. It's kind of their. They keep killing them off. Yes this show has a serious economy of actors problem. They don't have either the time on the screamed or the budget to get other actors to really present something that would make a little more sense. And that's a bit unfortunate. They want to have a story with these characters characters so these characters need to be all these places. There's no good watts Sonian reason for any of this. This is all just doyle list construction problems and I agree. It's it just feels a little fragile in the casting and unfortunately them moving John Out of being the director has put a kind of sharp relief. Yeah because then we're spending more time away from the. Do whenever he's in the picture and they keep bringing a lot of people Kako to the forefront Nia wasn't in this previously now she's on the Cat Co side of things more so even than the hero side of things for the most part she does you know put on her suit and stuff still but it. It seems like this season a lot less. So and then you have the whole story line with Andrea and the journalists who came over from England or something and you know I'm totally blanking on his name right now. I don't know why William Day there we go and you have these. Other characters that they're willing to pull to the forefront but then the the do is sort of just this mysterious machine that keeps chugging along no matter what happens. And I know last season we did have that whole storyline where Alex I wasn't the head of the. Do Neither John. And they had this oversight that they didn't care for so they did get a lot of time at the do then but it wasn't necessarily alienate time that was like actively productive for if the colonel was still around this plot would actually hold together better right. Yeah oh well again. Economy of actor failure earlier. I think really this scene also aligns nicely with the others because this episode ends with these three sort of confrontation conversations and and they both end in very different places and they work very different ways and Kelly and Alex's conversation is a very human one where there's kind of no magic involved involved but they actually talk and the actually communicate with words with Lena. Kara they talk but they don't actually communicate and when when we get to John and malefactor they talk but that wasn't enough and I like how these three scenes and they're all really strong scenes all play out differently really as these pairs of people. Try to commute. Yeah yeah good point so I guess back to malefactor as John and Mirren in Johnson Memory or over that works I guess that when gene dropped his shields and malefactor went through his mind he must have lived a lifetime in those few moments that we see so for me seemed jarringly short from. I'm going to look at your memories and then I'm going to kill you too brother and a hug But you know I have to remind myself that those like five instant scenes is that we saw were just samples. Probably of Him Living Shams whole life with him otherwise the hug would be unconvincing. I would agree with that but it was convincing to me. They said they sold it to me enough that the Martian mind bonding is a very sudden but deep sharing of memories. Yeah I think they sold it as well as they could have given the circumstances surrounding the whole thing in general and it feels like we still don't totally totally understand everything that the green Martians are capable of. It seems like every time something comes up. John we're learning something new about out. Either their powers how people communicated with each other and things like that and I think this is certainly one of those circumstances where you know they had outta specific reason for doing this thing and now that it's all coming back to them. It's like okay. There's still a lot to unravel here. I was a little surprised I that malefic could bond with John. Yeah because I thought that was sort of a challenge. He had that genetically he was a mutant among Green Martians. And it didn't tell do telepathy quite the same way. But maybe I'll give them just the bonding as being a slightly different thing than the hive. Mind also I thought that the stuff Malik doc went through with the OBSIDIAN vision stuff somehow. Let him bridge that gap. That's possible to the biggest thing. I was happy about beyond all of the John Erin scenes which I really quite liked even though he's just kind of talking to the subconscious version of his dad. I just adored that mirror and actually took some responsibility ability saying no John it was I who failed. Yes it was. Marin John said this feels like the third time that he's been sentenced to confinement by my hand. No it isn't that was your father the first there's all this thing we're John is taking over responsibility for. I think decisions that obviously weren't his his decision decision for putting malefactor in the Phantom Zone that is I think the most important one I would think that would affect. Yeah and that is seems to be what malefactors complaining about the most host when talking to John and therefore felt tighter to me that they were blaming people for at least moderately the right thing right so one assumes that when they get out of that hug the look around and gene will realize from talking with mel effect that Hey Lena's been holding malefactor captive and so he'll be coming at the whole Lena plot thing from a different angle and one can only hope for Lena Sake that when she portal del of the fortress of solitude she was going to her office not to the lab. There's other questions I have there in that at least at some point malefactor was obviously caged and unable to get. How did John Gideon and can he get out so both of those are two unknowns and the real one is did John leave a message telling telling them he was going to do? This was in town because if he didn't tell anyone that was a really bad decision. Going on track record. I would say he didn't tell anyone. Anyone probably write. These characters just need to learn when to ask for help and tell people things I thought that was now free of the cage because last episode Lena Headey insulted him to think that he likes hanging around below. That is possible support. But we'll find out very quickly when we see them next without a doubt though yet John now knows that something pretty serious up with Lena and it'll be interesting to see how oh that gets communicated back to the group whether that's easier whether that's hard. The other thing that I think was a bit strange in the plotline was we never got to see Kelly respond respond to malefactor which I thought was a bit of a disappointment that Kelly was in part of finding out malefactor but maybe that will still come into play in the leader episodes yeah. I don't think Kelly is going to totally go away. Because of her connection to Obsidian even though her and Alex might not be together in the long run I think they're going to try and be together though like she tried to break up she was about to break up. I would interpret this as no. She's GonNa try a little harder and try a little longer and see if they can make. Yeah I think so. Oh this was a multi episode arc to sort of put some pressure on that relationship. But I don't see a reason why it needs to be an ending of it. I don't think so. Yeah it seems like. They tested their relationship. And now they're going to be even stronger together because of that. They're going to have more adult conversation soon. And and I think you know one of those will have to happen next episode. Since Alex's Work Ridley interrupted without a doubt. I just like this show giving us a few adult conversations -tations sometimes the relationships are a little hard to watch and this one is dealing with issues that are definitively difficult issues to deal with the adult. Conversations are just so nice to see yes. Yeah that ARCS has been pretty satisfying for me. Agreed and it does really make a nice contrast with the people who don't talk the problem so everyone else. Okay so I guess thoughts for the future. I assume you that the loosening of the inhibition will eventually cause problems for brainy and his relationships with the rest of the team. I I strongly felt when we saw the amoral brainy before that we would see that again. And I think this is going to be that kicker where we're back on a path where we're and again see the somewhat more brainiac unemotional sort of monstrous brainy coming back into play now. It got resolved really quickly quickly last time. So it's really hard to tell what timeframe they want that story line to be and whether or not effect the crisis because at this point everything's up in the air. Yup We really get an idea of what the effect crisis is going to have on this. These plummer I kind of want them to keep brainy this way until after crisis because I feel like he's going to be so much more useful on crisis in this mode than he would be back to his quote unquote normal self. And obviously this. This is certainly going to impact things with NIA which is another relationship that is sort of going through its paces right now right. Yeah I don't actually know if anyone besides supergirl is going to be involved with crisis but I guess we'll find out in a couple of weeks so soon I'm about halfway through still the crisis this comic anthology. I'll have to finish that off in the next couple of weeks and I don't know what's going to do to kind of silly okay. Any other points. It's of discussion. I can't think of anything. I just really liked this episode. I'm very happy after that one episode. That was not very good. We've had two episodes that I both quite enjoy was surprised that they moved so quickly. But I'm really pleased that they feel confident that they have enough plot to get in the rest of the a year without dragging the stuff out as they have dragged out some other plotlines in previous seasons. Yeah all right. I guess that'll do it. I would like to thank both of you for a very good conversation. Happy to be here. Thank you for having me back after so long away. Absolutely what a pleasure I'd like. Thank the incomparable for hosting us. As always and of course I would like to thank you the listeners. y'All can continue the conversation with US ON TWITTER AT S G super cast or on the members slack channel for the uncomparable. And we'll hope to hear from you till next time bye bye.

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Lena & Melina & 'Queen & Slim'

The Frame

28:14 min | 8 months ago

Lena & Melina & 'Queen & Slim'

"KPCC PODCASTS are supported by twentieth century. Fox presenting forward versus Ferrari directed by James Mangold and starring Christian. Bale and Matt Damon now nominated mandated for a Golden Globe for best actor Christian Bale and five critic's choice nominations including best picture of the year. KPCC supporters include Fox searchlight presenting. Joe Rabbit nominated for the Sag Award for Best Ensemble. Seven critics choice awards including best picture. The Golden Globe for Best Picture and one of AF is ten best pictures of of the year for consideration in all categories from the broadcast center at KPCC. It's the frame. I'm John Horn. It's been five years since hackers targeted Sony pictures around the release of the studios North Korean comedy. What is Hollywood? Learn since that massive cyberattack then Lena wait the writer. The new movie queen and Slim says her film about a violent encounter between a white police officer and a black couple reflects the nation's nations racial tensions. It does at war. You know I think is a sort of element of people being worried. This film star Raise Ryan you know and will to start a war. Will this make temperatures even hotter all that coming up on the frame. KPCC podcasts casts are supported by Twentieth Century Fox presenting forward versus Ferrari directed by James Mangold and starring Christian. Bale and Matt Damon now nominated for a golden in Globe for best actor Christian Bale and five critic's choice nominations including best picture of the year. Welcome to the frame. I'm John Horn five five years ago. Just as Thanksgiving approach employs at Sony pictures logged into their computers and were greeted by this ominous message hacked by Hashtag. GOP over picture of a sinister looking red skeleton. GOP reportedly stands for guardians of peace a previously unknown group now claiming credit for the hack. The hackers leaked millions of files putting confidential employee information and embarrassing e mails about the studios internal workings out in the Open Ben. Fritz is an editor at the Wall Street Journal and the author of the book the Big picture the fight for the future of movies and he remembers being in the Journal. Newsroom when he heard about the hack I remember I remember reading about it online and talking to a few sources I knew it Sony and Of course I I didn't really understand the magnitude of it and how how damaging it would be That wasn't until the next week. I believe when the when they started leaking all these documents and information and I started to see some of the stuff that was coming out and realized just how serious this is was for. Those who don't remember the hack was quickly connected to North Korea and Kim Jong Hoon anger over the film the interview. It started Seth Rogan. James Franco As a couple of TV journalists who are going to interview and potentially assassinate the North Korean president and at the time we were interviewing the screenwriter. Dan Sterling Moore Lane. This is back in two thousand fourteen. I was at a party on Saturday. Night where the per- The the host was introducing me to everybody at the party. As this is the guy that brought down Sony who it was funny by that well the first four or five hundred times the joke was made It was funny except Zip. Actually it's a way it's actually not funny to me. How was the hack essentially blamed on the movie and was that theory actually borne out after the fact North Korea? was in fact behind the hacking and Kim Jong UN was very very mad that the American film was was was mocking him. North Korea's a very poor country. But they do. Actually we have a very good hacking program and He wanted to stop them from coming out and or punish Sony having made it and he was pretty successful on both fronts. At the time the leading theory that experts was there was North Korea but a lot of people around Sony thought. It couldn't be it. Maybe it was angry employees arrivals or something but the FBI About a year ago concluded pretty definitively was North Korea and in fact they indicted Somebody who was part of a North Korean backpacking team that was called Lazarus project and it was for numerous cybercrimes including the intrusion Sony. People forget is set. The movie didn't really get released. Sony was so worried about it that they've pulled the release and then they kind of backtracked on that and at the time we we were talking with a guy named James Kerr's he's the founder of. La's downtown independent theatre. He is in the studio talking about the movie. And this is what happens. There's been so much buzz we get A. We're getting calls about it with my phone's ringing. Yup Oh it's the rep from Sony. Go ahead take it. Hi this is Jim so he actually gets a call from Sony in the middle of the interview saying can you play the. Can you play or movie in your theater. It ends up. It's not getting much of an exhibition schedule at all. Does it. No it only a few hundred independent theaters briefly What happened was the hackers threatened that they were going to Bomber caused violence at an attack. Any theater that played the film and You know understandably a lot of theaters didn't WANNA play it as a result and Sony You know incorrectly. They weren't going to force any theater to play it. Even those that had contractual obligations to do it and then it was just crazy thing where a few hundred independent theaters did play it and it was also released online simultaneously by a few companies. That were willing to do that. Not many people ended up seeing the film as a result. So if that was Jongmans goal he was very successful at that. Most most people didn't see the film and Sony was severely damaged by the hack. So you gotTa give the Wind Stores Korea here very sadly well. Let's talk about how Sony was damaged by the hack. You spent a a lot of time looking through documents released in the hack for part of your research in your book. The big picture the fight for the future of movies. So what did it reveal about Sony. Tony and how did it more important reveal how the studio had kind of lost. Its Way all right so the hack just released tons of you know from the top executives take the time as well as internal documents than really sensitive financial stuff and it revealed when it comes to the interview that they had numerous discussions about something like this happening and didn't take it seriously. There was a conflict between the top executives at the studio and they were just having a lot of trouble coming up with major motion picture franchises. That could compete with you know the marvels and the fast and furious of the world It was really an amazing insight into a studio that was struggling to adapt to the modern movie business. Well I'm going to ask about marvel because has one of the most remarkable pieces of information in your book is how and why Sony Refuse to pay twenty five million dollars for almost all all of Marvel superheroes in the late nineties. So what did that episode say about how Hollywood is changing and how Sony really missed the future. Sure Yeah Hollywood in the late. Nineties was not rule I- franchises the way it is now is really ruled ruled by movie stars. Tony we've got Adam Sandler we've got will Smith. That's that's what really is valuable. You know we're not gonNA waste our money these lists who share it was maybe spider-man's valuable but that that's all that's all they wanted. And of course Sony horrifically miscalculated. Oh you did. And there's a lot of stuff in the hack about Sony's attempts to to fix that mistake including trying to revive the spiderman franchise a few years ago. I think it's fair to say that in the wake wake of the Sony Hack Studios and a lot of companies probably tried to improve their firewalls and had better. It security but you think there's a bigger less than about Hollywood they would. That might be remembered from the hack. Do you think it still has an impact on the business into people still talk and think about what happened to Sony people. You know people all the time reference Sony when they talk about. How much sensitive stuff should we say on an email? There's a sense that there's this knowledge knowledge that email is never truly secure. And if you're not necessarily comfortable with the world knowing about it then you'll probably shouldn't put it in an email if you don't have something nice to say. Don't say it at all. I guess yeah or at least eight on the phone Ben. Fritz is is an editor at the Wall Street Journal and he is the author of the book. The big picture the fight for the future of movies Ben. Thanks so much for coming back on the show. John was my pleasure coming up on the frame. Lean away throat. The new movie Queen and Slim which Molina Dot soukous makes her feature directing debut and they are thrilled to be working together. KPCC he sees. Supporters Include Fox searchlight presenting Joe Rabbit from writer Director Taika Waititi include on both. Afi's the National Board of reviews ten best pictures pictures of the year and now nominated for the Sag Award for Best Ensemble and best supporting actress. Scarlett Johansson seven critics choice awards including best picture and best adapted screenplay and the Golden Globe Award for best actor and Best Picture of the year awards eligible in all categories. KPCC he. PODCASTS are supported by Warner brothers. Presenting Joker Varieties Owen. Gleiberman named Joker the Best Film Twenty Nineteen calling it a movie that can and and will stand the test of time. Joaquin Phoenix Mesmerizes in the performance of the year now nominated for the screen actors guild for outstanding performance by a male actor in a leading role seven critics choice awards and four Golden Globe awards including best picture. Best Director and best actor for consideration in all categories Welcome back to the frame. I'm John Horn this week. Queen and Slim opens in theaters. It stars Daniel Kaluga from get out and a newcomer. Jody Turner Smith. They play an African American couple. Who are driving home from an awkward first date when a white police officer pulls them over the turn signal back there? I bet step out of the vehicle can it has no. You may not guilty around around now. Are you serious. Pleased Queen Slim is written by Lena Waif and directed by Melina soukous who is making her feature directing debut she's done TV and lots of music videos including beyonce as formation wasted about soukous collaborated on an emmy winning episode of Master of none before making Queen and slim and there were a number of reasons why Melina thought the film should be set in Ohio. Lena had written into the script. Ohio still has the death penalty for obviously. It was is really important into Queens character because he defends people on death row but I had traveled to Ohio for a Nike Commercial. A couple of years before four and I have been to Cleveland and there was a area Cleveland in the really black neighborhood and shot. I still had the location pictures on my phone In on this one st call Saint Clair says really pushing to start there. I wanted to start in a really cold environment and have them travel south through the story. I always think of it as a reverse leave escape. Narrative and Cleveland was also the last album underground railroad before as we get to Canada so I thought that was really pertinent. Like metaphorically for our our film and then also it's where Tamir Rice was killed. You know where I got a chance to visit the playground Where he was shot dead and so I just felt like it was? It was the right place for us. He wrote it in and then like you know. Visually it had been there. I had had witnessed like how pertinent was us. And then when you know a lot of other people on our crew we're really pushing for us to just stay in New Orleans because that's where we were already shooting and obviously for budget reasons. It's easier to just shoot in one place but I wanted to travel with and I wanted them to feel that journey as actors and let that inform their performance so so we went up to Cleveland and while we scouting we were on this. This that street Saint Clair and it was my director scout so we hadn't decided definitely go there but maybe and a half hours hours like Tuesday night. At least six black people were pulled over by COPS In a half hour time period and one of them was in a white accord and you are watching happening as we're scouting which blossomed me. And he wanted to be here and we have been saying in downtown Cleveland where there was no police presence so so this is like a trap in a black neighborhood to just like get people and in a half hour they were all pulled over and there was this one car with a a cord and it with the Cleveland. Police car was behind enhance. Pulled them over and my production designer took a shot of it and I was like that's slim slim. That's his car. That's who he is every man and we have to be here. I WanNa play some audio audio from a police stop. I think you're GonNa know what this is. This is Sandra Bland. Being pulled over in Texas Coloma takes toll. The reason for you stopping. She didn't fail. You fail to Signal Elaine. Chao at insurance for the give me a few minutes all right. Okay no you this. I'm like no. You seem very irritated I am. I really what I'm getting. I believe the speeding up tailing so move over eight. You stop so yeah I am a little here but that doesn't stop you from giving tickets. Uh done we asked me well I told circuit so now I'm dying. You mind putting your cigarette Britt. Please remind I'm in my car while I put out my you can step on out now. I don't have to step out of my step out of the car still out of the car. I have the right to do that. You have the right now step out or I will remove refused. Talk to you identify myself. I will remove remove visit like to hear that I watched that video. Hundreds of times uh-huh Every time I hear it it's debilitating. It's infuriating it's upsetting obviously The most and all well you know I I wanted I saw so much myself in Sandra Bland and actually Lena have written We we worked on an episode. Massive non called Thanksgiving and she wrote in those lines that that could have been any of us and I remember watching that video over and over because I wanted Queens reactions to somewhat. You know Mira Sandra Bland. When when's dare pulled over because they are pulled over for no reason just like she and I should add? Sandra Bland died in police custody. Three days later she was found hanged energy and and you know he was being picked on and prided harassed by policemen that she pulled over to get out of his way and then he pulled her over. Not using signal to me is just traumatizing tossing. And I think people don't realize for particularly black people when these stories come across our news fees. Televisions Asians are instagram. Fees is not just another story is not just a piece of news to us. It's it's like a piece piece of US dies every time we hear about a person being a piggly a black person bid an unarmed black person being killed by police officer. I it's it's we. We are all living in a state of trauma. And I think that's where the movie was absolutely born out of for me and I think that's why I knew I I need it. Molina Alina to do it with me because it was something so personal. It wasn't so dark and there's very few people I trust with that level of vulnerability that I was in that space that I was in and out already trusted Molina once something very vulnerable and She had me the and care and we bonded Very quickly and so with this it was just it was important that we we take those ninety to go. We're talking with. Lina wave. The writer Queen Slim and Molina Matt. Soukous who directed the film. Is it fair to say that Queen Slim. Like Tamir. Rice like Sandra Bland. Land like Eric Gardner are fighting in a war that they don't even know they're a part of absolutely. I feel like listening to that. We've we feel like we're hunted. Did you know and and I think that that's shown in just hearing those those words it's there. There's this war going on and you know Lena called another day of genocide which is exactly right. I want to play another clip from the film and this is I think kind of a moment of reckoning between Queen and Slim. I'm GonNa play it and then we'll talk about the the look on Slim's face in this conversational. Where are you going to find somebody with a phone call my family? They'll know where we they can say that there's no guarantee they won't. You're a black man. Killed a cup took his gun. Amanda criminal you aren't on ask you about the look on Daniel Clubs face in that same. Look everything that he gave. He's a giver With his emotion. You know he feels the weight he feels the gravity. He's starting to understand how he he will be viewed that he is now viewed as a monster you know when he was in the right when he was just trying to defend himself and and and his woman in that moment but I think you know his eyes I think in every scene especially that one they really transform and the the weight of of what just happened is starting to land on him Yeah I think to me the the look that breaks my heart every time. I've seen the movie lot but it's just after that. When he says I just WanNa go home? Yeah he's pleading around. Go home and I want to see my family and I think that is interesting because I I remember writing that and as as a person who is not super close family but I was thinking in that moment. When you're afraid all you want to get home to your family because that's all you can think about and it's also too I think about Fruitvale station you know. And that moment where Michael Jordan says as I just WanNa go home you know. That's what we all want. We all want to go home and wait on me because I am close to my family. So like in times of extreme need or with terror or fear. That's where I went on the go to the next to my mom and my father right. You won't ever look at me as a criminal you know and I think he has that same satisfaction and eleven. His home slim has a line in the movie. I ain't gone bend the world which feels to me like a little bit of an echo of what Martin Luther King Junior her said which is the arc of the moral universe is long but it bends toward justice? Thank slim says oh I can't change it well. A little bit of it is a slim doesn't feel as if he needs to be some famous person he doesn't need to leave a a mark on the world to know that he existed. And there's something very honorable about that and and I'm speaking to you as a person who who away is known like people are aware of who I am or something like that you know. I'm leaving a mark on the world but what I think are Russell with is that everyone's life is just as valid as mine. Just because of how I make a living or the fact that I've done something that people will notice doesn't mean that my life is more valuable than someone else's and I think that's really what I wanted to do with slim that he represents the majority orgy that they're working every day trying to be the best person that he can be and we he has a very different experience of that because he's he's a black man so his life is political whether he likes it or not. Why were they named Queen and slim slimmer sort of born out of like old school black lingo and in terms of like if you look at old like black seventies movies you'll hear a black may refer to each other's I went up slam was going on and therefore the quaint thing is almost self explanatory? I think whoa acquaintance up next on the frame more of my conversation with Lena Wave and Malina Matt soukous the writer and Director of coin and Slim K. P. C. podcasts are supported by Warner brothers. Presenting Joker Todd Phillip Cinematic Vision see Joaquin mckean Phoenix's Golden Globe and screen actors guild nominated performance winner of the Venice Film. Festival's top prize and one of the AF is top films of twenty nineteen and Varieties Owen. Gleiberman name Joker the best film of the year describing it as a movie that can and will stand the test of time for consideration in all categories including best picture director and actor. I'm John Horn. And this is the frame. We continue our conversation now with Lena. Wave and Malina mud soukous the writer and director of Queen and slim the film's stars Daniel Columbia as slim. He made a big splash when he started in Jordan peels get out and newcomer. Jody Turner Smith Plays Queen. We pick up the conversation with Molina soukous all when we started. Lena hadn't already talked to Daniel. And mm-hmm what should have been you know a five minute conversations and then so hopefully. It will be a lifelong collaboration because he's an immense talent. And so we had Daniel and and then was important to both Lena. And and I that we use this opportunity to create a platform for a new black actress for a new voice because we don't get many of those opportunities and we knew we didn't wasted so we wanted to find our queen. We wanted her to to be introduced. Somebody new and then we needed to have somebody that would stand up against Daniel and then the other thing that was really important for us is that she was dark skin lead. Could I'd love to be a part of redefining. What beauty is in the world and we've never seen a love story between two dark skin? Actors turns on on screen. The tendency is to get light skinned actors feel more white. Yeah exactly. There's you know in this country. Obviously there's a tendency that the lighter you are the more you essentially looking you are that that. That's what's considered beautiful right and and so so. Many of our brothers and sisters don't grow up really having having pride in themselves as dark skinned beauties and so that was really important and and also to show the love between those two people that could be darts gain and and and have that in represented to the next generation. Because that's not even something I grew up in and there's also a way that you light their bodies that's fascinating and that is also so unusual. Yeah I'm very Protective I think of lighting black skin. I'm very selective when it comes to choosing a DP VP I also studies Matafi in Grad School. So very specific in how I want to portray Black bodies he's on screen and I wanted to feel real at times fantastic. Oh there's certain elements of light. That are more beautiful on our screen. Because it's really reflective um them than others So I utilize that and I like to play with color and tone shadows and and And brightness as well in order to to And translate my visual language. Lena I want to ask you about this balance in the film between brutality beauty because this is a story about something gene that is brutal that starts this couple on the road and yet it's also a love story and there's a lot of beauty not only in their relationship but also in the people they meet along the way and to be you will care for them when you're right in the story and trying to figure out the balance that you want to strike. What were the things that you were focused on a big thing was? I wanted to focus on a sense of community And it was a bit of a meditation on underground railroad for a modern age and away. I and the fact that it does feel like we're at war you know. I think there's this sort of element of people being worried. Will this film start a race riot. You know and we'll start a war. Will this get this. Make temperatures even hotter and but the thing is they said the same thing about the right things at the same thing about Bob poisoned her. They said the same thing about new. All these these are conversations while you're pitching this idea. Well this was. I think once we were done. Okay you know and once people started to see this yes and to me is like when writing it. I'm very aware of that war that we're already in his tooth and so it was almost about. What side are you on? And they never know when they go out into the world who they're encountering if they're on their side if they're not How you'd be surprised about who was on their side and who isn't and there are so many influences that I have whether you know? I think people people are quick to say Elma lease and Bonnie and Clyde which I understand but also wizard of is is in there. You know it's also the with the wiz also Set it off is You know elements of badlands. There's there's references that I think people don't expect me to have or don't think that I'm as well versed in cinema as much as I am. I've I've watched so many different kinds of cinema that and writing it I really wanted to break rules That had been set up about like. I don't have a cop that you sympathize with along this journey to cut away to I'm I'm telling you I'm letting the story unfold slowly and intentionally But for me the people they encounter you know these these are somewhat small roles. I want every role to feel gigantic. I want to ask ask you both about this idea. That to be provocative to make a point that people are gonNA feel uncomfortable that idea of making sure the audience white or black is challenge. was that something you were consciously thinking about as you're making the movie or as you're seeing it play in front of audiences now. That's the way I was raised. You know my parents They're very they were very political and they were very leftist. And I was brought up to know that I needed to give back to the world and give back. Act The privilege that I have been given and to have some sort of activism and what would that be and so you know this is my active and this is my protest art. This is the way I chose into You know it'd be a part of the change that has necessary in this world Even if it's in a small way and yes in order to to be part of the revolution like you really have to make some some people uncomfortable. You know Nina Simone said it is an artist duty to reflect the time. I think that is something I live by and I don't like pulling punches. I don't I'm I'm not a I'm not a black artist that necessarily believes in writing about a world that I want to live in I find more I find it to be for me. It makes more sense to write about the world in which I live because I want to hold a mirror. You're up to US and force us to get the reflection even wanNA turn away Lena. Lena thanks so much for coming in. Thank Lina wait. As the writer of Queen and Slim Molina Matsushita's is the film's director is in theaters On November twenty seventh. And that'll do it for today. Remember you can follow us on twitter and facebook. You'll find us at the frame. I'm John Horn at the MON broadcast. A CENTRE-RIGHT K._p._C._C. Tomorrow.

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The Murder of Lena and Tommy Peterson pt. 2

Murder Minute

39:15 min | 9 months ago

The Murder of Lena and Tommy Peterson pt. 2

"Look let's go ahead and when people say that God is back God bread it is back. We're taking questions about my upcoming album. I'm a musician now. Please subscribe to call Chelsea Peretti. The podcast you can call and now I've got to get back to playing piano Welcome to murder minute today. Part two of the murder of Lena and Tommy Peterson but I your true crime headlines a southern California cornea high school student opened fire on his classmates killing two and injuring three more before turning his gun on himself. The shooter a student at Saugus High School walked into the school's Quad area at seven thirty. Am and pulled a forty five caliber handgun out of his backpack. He shot several students before using his final bullet to shoot himself in the head. A sixteen year old girl and a fourteen year old boy were killed old and three other teens were injured but we'll survive. It is believed that the shooter fired indiscriminately on nearby students and that the victims were not individually visually targeted classmates described the shooter as a quiet kid who kept to himself but was not threatening. He was a boy scout an Athlete and a good student. A neighbor described the teen as struggling since the sudden death of his father in 2017. A- pregnant mother of two was killed and her husband injured after the couple heard their car alarm go off and stepped outside to investigate gate twenty nine year old Misty Smith Walton was a devoted mother of two boys aged eight and eleven and was six months pregnant with her third child. Built a girl. Misty was the president of her younger son's elementary school. PTA where she was well known and described as an incredibly dedicated mother. The school has brought in grief counselors to assist the students in processing the tragedy. Smith Walton. Her husband heard their car alarm. Go off around around eight. PM last Saturday and were met with a hail of bullets. When they went outside to check on the alarm she died at the scene and her husband and was also shot and was transported to the hospital? Their unborn child did not survive neighbors in their east. Oakland community described up the apartment building as a safe one and expressed shock and disbelief at the shooting. Oakland police are searching for the killer and have offered a fifteen thousand dollar reward reward for information leading to an arrest in the case after more than two days of deliberations ends of Pennsylvania. Jury has found Sean Kratz guilty of first and second degree murder in the two thousand seventeen deaths of three men on his cousins books. County farm arm the jury convicted crowds of first degree murder in the death of nineteen year. Old Dean Financiero involuntary manslaughter in the deaths of twenty one year. Old Thomas Mayo and twenty two year. Old Mark Sturgis. All three men had gone to the farm to purchase marijuana instead. CRATS and his cousin killed them and attempted to burn their bodies in a pig. Roaster Chris's cousin Cosmo Denardo previously confessed to the murders into serving a life sentence. Prosecutors had requested that he testify it Kratz his trial but Denardo rejected their subpoena Kratz. Initially pleaded guilty to third degree murder and was offered a sentence of fifty nine years in prison but he later withdrew that guilty plea and said that it had had been coerced by his former defense attorney. He now faces either the death penalty or life imprisonment. Those are your true crime headlines up next. The story of Lena and Tommy Peterson continues but first a quick break. Have you thought about talking to someone but are unsure of where to start. It's time to to get better help. Better help makes it easy to connect with a licensed professional counselor carrying professionals specializing in the issues. 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Today we continued the tragic story of Lena. And Tommy Peterson. By loyd Tuesday morning April sixteenth. Nineteen O to the trail was thirty. Eight hours coat. A pack of four dogs one full bloodhound. The other three Fox hound mix were brought to the scene of the crime mayor Brenton police chief Ayar Bracket Polk County Sheriff George W Modern Chief of Detectives Williams team Maitland Assistant Chief. John Peterson and detectives detectives. Ed Walsh and Eli Hardin accompanied. The dogs to the murder site ally Hardin called quote one. One of the most experienced and best known detectives in the West was brought in to work the case for twenty minutes after being released on the scene. The dogs did nothing. The handlers took the dog away and back again hoping that they would perform better. The dogs were released a second time but again failed to find a trail. Ally Harden then placed Lena's clothing on the ground immediately. The dogs responded to the sent to were released and ran across the field toward the swamp following the same trail discovered by police the day before both like the police. The dogs lost the trail l. at the swamp their handlers took them back to the murder scene. Again to sniff the clothing this time the dogs started to cause the field through the marsh and then to a road where they paused crossed and stopped at the door of a house. The dogs were taken back to the swamp and started one final time. This time they went straight across the road where they had I stopped then went to the east of a house at the intersection continued south then West and then in south again until they stopped on a gravel road losing the scent again. Investigators concluded that the heavy street traffic had destroyed the scent trail left by the killers they called it quits at five. PM and the handlers brought the dogs in and investigators were disappointed. The dogs did not go north to the mining camps where many had believed the suspects could be the trail. The dogs followed was the root of someone who would have been familiar with the area. Someone who knew how to avoid houses and roads to make matters worse. The dogs had caused such a spectacle but word quickly spread through town but the search for the killers trail was underway. A crowd of onlookers gathered around the scene as the dogs were brought in causing such chaos. Is that mayor. Brenton himself had to order the citizens away from the scene Gordon w hunter of the penitentiary which kept a pack of bloodhounds to track escapees told a moines Capitol reporter quote. The way the bloodhounds were used in. The Peterson. Case was not only amusing but it was absurd to expect any good result. There from the dogs undoubtably doubtedly did the best they could but they had nothing to work on and instead of tracking the murderers very plainly they tracked the children themselves or whoever ever had carried the children's clothing with them that afternoon Iowa Governor Albert B Cummins issued an executive proclamation. A three hundred dollar reward for information in the Peterson case he later raised the amount to five hundred dollars. Equivalent to around fourteen thousand dollars. Today the reward was conditioned to be payable only on conviction conviction of the guilty party to prevent people from falsifying or holding back information for personal gain. The press spread outrageous rumors that a kinky hair was found in Lena's hand that two men and followed the children from waters restaurant that a sandy haired man was the killer and a lame man was involved that the trail of the suspects was followed for eight miles. But Billy waters who owned the restaurant where Lena and Tommy were last seen before their murder debunked a rumor that to highland park. College students had followed them out. There is no truth in that story. I cannot imagine where it came from. He told the press the children were in here about nine o'clock Sunday evening. They had just come from church. Several other people had come in before them also from church. There was no one in the front room with the restaurant but the children and myself in the next room I think there were three couples and a young man who were sitting at tables. The children had nothing to say. They bought some Coconut Candy and bananas and then left in the direction of home. Nobody followed them from here and in fact no person left the restaurant for at least twenty minutes. After they had gone no one followed them into the restaurant. Either gossip was also beginning to spread about. Peter Peterson people speculated that he was mentally unbalanced and that authorities are now investigating the family's home life but Wesley Day and Dr William Back. Who gave Peter Peterson? The terrible news of the deaths of his children on the night of the murder said that Peterson send was sound asleep when they arrived and that they had to call him twice before he finally woke over the the next few days. The murder scene became a sideshow attracting. The curious and amateur detectives one person drove to stakes into the ground. Where the bodies of Lena and Tommy had been found and posted a white paper marking spot? The paper was quickly ripped apart. Small piece at a time by souvenir hunters as hundreds hundreds of amateur. Detectives took it upon themselves to search for clues. The crime scene was trampled over and over destroying any hope finding the killers trade to gain access to the area crowds even toward down section of barbed wire fencing and threw it into the field. Oh destruction worked up a thirst so the early true crime junkies decided to stop at a house to ask for drink. They could've stopped at any one of the houses along Madison but they chose the home of the Peterson's in his grief. Peter Peterson himself. worked the pump and handed out glasses of water to the strangers for several hours shaking hands with anyone who offered according to the Des Moines Daily News. Peter Peterson openly. Agreed with the gawkers. Tommy Tommy I cannot stand this terrible agony when I go into the house and I see the little fellows all those overcoat bought a short time ago hanging on the wall when I sit down to the table and see the absent places of my poor dead children when I look at the vacant chair where Little Leinna sat and think of the terrible death. She suffered it almost drives me mad. I would give my everything if only I had them back if they could only return to me into. This had not happened. I could be happy. Peterson blamed and his wife. Mary and said that he was so against the children going to church that night that they had left and secret I did not want them to go but their mother believes and sending them to church three times a week and on Sunday. Peter told friends I do not believe in it. I told her to keep the children at home. She did not obey and now they're dead dead dead dead what I thought they were home safe in bed. It's all her fault. She is responsible for their deaths. I cannot stand it. It's awful on April sixteenth. And the Peterson family held a brief private service for Lena. And Tommy in their home and at two thirty the two caskets piled with flowers I were placed in separate horse-drawn hearses and driven to find Park Methodist Episcopal church where crowds have been gathering all day. Lena's classmates Louis Preston. Elvis Bevan's this Kenny Margaret. Great Fern Gordon and Cape Donovan Curie. Clean his casket Howard Nichols the Wash Arthur Yarn Grover Welsh freeborn Smith and Clarence Carson. Kenny Tony Nine. Hundred mourners filled the church inch and the windows were opened so that a thousand more outside could hear the service after the service. The caskets were carried to the vestibule near the door where the congregation viewed the bodies as they exited the church then. The the back door was opened for the outside crowd. Who filed past to view the dead children for forty five minutes? Lina Tommy Peterson were calm and beautiful. in-depth The des Moines leader wrote. They're fine and delicately kitten molded features. Told quickly of the innocence and loveliness of character that had been there during lock after the ceremony. The hearses carried Lena and Tommy to their final resting place in Pine Hills. Cemetery I leave it all in God's hands it must have been his will or the crime would never have been committed. Mary Peterson told her mother. And Reverend Griffith we pour mortals cannot understand God's ways my greatest grief is that any human being could so far forget get God as to think of such cry in my prayers. I pray that the murderer may find God before it's too late. Reverend Griffith told the moines capital. It is better to die like Lena. Peterson fighting for her honor than to live longer and be ruined by deceiver after days. Lost pursuing black men on baseless rumors and meaningless enlist clues the authorities finally reconsidered the crime. And it's mood and developed a new profile for the murderer des Moines chief of police a are bracket had a new theory. The killer was not an outsider but likely a white man. The children knew someone who lived nearby was familiar with the children's schedule and understood the lay of the land so that he could commit the act unseen and cover his tracks the killer also bracket believed had a motive which the des Moines daily leader echoed quote. Probably if the truth could be learned the children recognize their assailants called them by name and threatened them with exposure before the crime was committed now that the profile of the killer was a white man. Detective backtracked on their initial statement. That Leinna Peterson had been raped. Despite the fact that they himself had not examined the bodies physicians with access to the autopsy report began to express different opinions from those of doctors. William Back and Eminem Smith saying that the conclusions in the post mortem were inconclusive. Private investigator gator Thomas. Pennington concluded the murderer was insane or crazed with drink or perhaps made insane sane by prolonged use of liquor. Police then focused on the Peterson's neighbors looking for any taint of insanity in families on Sunday April Twentieth Own Moines area ministers preached on the tragedy to packed churches. Some preachers blamed lax morals or lazy and corrupt police. Work one on minister predicted that. The 'cause when discovered would quote prove to be whiskey that afternoon. Police police got a new lead. When a young boy from the Peterson neighborhood brought authorities a rusty eighteen inch long gas pipe with blood and grass on it? He said a man gave it to him and whispered. This is the most important clue yet. In fact police showed the pipe. To Elena. and Tommy's brother Willis who claimed that he'd found it the Tuesday after the murders in pasture near the scene. He said it appeared to have been embedded in the ground for a long time and that he turned the pipe into another field thinking that it was just rusty authorities asked Willis to direct them to where he found the pipe in the grass was bludgeoned. Snake which police decided probably accounted for the blood on April twenty third when asked by Des Moines Capitol reporter how the family was coping. Mariam Peterson said Papa still takes it very hard. It seems that he cannot bring himself to realize that the children are dead every morning when he calls us up he goes to so the stairs and calls lane and Tom just as if they were sleeping sweetly in their bed on April thirtieth just over two weeks after the murders. Peter Peterson appeared at the Des Moines. Police station he accused. Police of negligence expressed oppressed anger and resentment that there had been any speculation that he was involved in his children's deaths and alluded that he might commit suicide. The daily leader reported the incident since the murder. Mr Peterson has been to a degree suffering from mental imbalance Hebrews almost constantly over the loss of his children and said yesterday that now that they were no more he did not feel he had anything to he left. The police station greatly troubled but he had been unable to get any information formation concerning the murders nearly five months later on September fifth constable Ed Sundberg and a Polk County deputy. Sheriff went to the Marcus Coal Mine and arrested twenty eight year old miner. Tom Lewis for the rape rape and murder of Lena Peterson and the murder. Of Tommy Peterson. The murder warrant was sworn out by moines attorney. Ernie H G HOD carpenter. Who claimed that he had worked? The Peterson murders nonstop. Since they had occurred carpenter claimed Tom Tom Lewis fit the profile. He lived near the crime scene. He told conflicting stories about where he was that night and was near the scene of the crime with two companions at the time of the murders as the trial of Tom. Lewis began enormous crowds packed the courthouse. The des Moines Daily News reported quote white men colored men and white and coloured women Babes in arms some of them wailing miserably surged and stewed in the fetid atmosphere of the room. The court room was so crowded that it was impossible for witnesses to move through the crowd. The judge was forced to clear the courtroom room of all accept court officers. Reporters Relatives Friends. Tom Lewis was calm at the proceedings. Things a brother sat behind him and family members surrounded him with love and support Mary. Peterson testified that Selena had never been called on by Louis. Four been on any kind of a magic terms with him. The doctors who performed the autopsy Beck and and Smith both now testified that Lena was not violated and that the blood clots found in her vagina were from her period. Thomas C Morning Star testified that at the crime scene the day after the murder it was mentioned. The murders occurred about nine fifteen and that he heard Tom. Louis standing nearby say that it could not have been true because he and his buddies John Carlson and George Williams were in the area at the time Morningstar admitted however that Lewis made the statement without trying to conceal anything Noma spear testified about hearing the cries that led her boyfriend Ralph Peck to discover the bodies. William Jones testified that he saw three men one. Tom Lewis. Leave the WISCON- dusk he evening of the murders and heard a girl haller to them. Don't stay out too late. Jones also said the pump. Brace at the Lewis Farm had been missing and Tom Lewis told him that he was buying two guns one for his own protection and the other for his sister on Cross Examination Jones said that he heard the three men about eight pm but did not see them go east on Madison and admitted knitted that the gun. Conversation happened after the murders local resident. Gordon Bobi testified defied that he had taken it upon himself to investigate the murder the day after the Crime Bobi said that he followed two sets of footprints and that they led him to tone. Lewis's back door. The prosecution asserted the Tom Lewis being a small man. More a small shoe which fit exactly the footprints leading away from the scene. The aimed to the pin the murders on Tom. Lewis as Willis's friends John Carlson and George Williams. The shoes of Williams and Carlson were introduced and the prosecution claimed that they matched the trail of the two men found at the scene. Detective ally Harden held held up the pump brace purportedly from Lewis pump and proclaimed that. This was the murder weapon. James Connor testified that he was staying with Peterson's not week and on the Saturday after the murder he ran into Tom. Lewis and Lena In Tommy's brother Willis Peterson standing on the road. Tom Lewis he said was explaining how George Williams using Don Carson could exonerate themselves. The three men talked about the size of shoeprints leading away from the scene. Carrie Munson said the Tom Lewis told her that he into men were on a bridge near the murder scene that night another amateur mature. Detective William Murray testified that he too had followed the trail from the scene and found tracks leading to Tom who is his home. Murray stated that he later saw Tom and Jerry Lewis and remarked that it was a good thing. They're sister had not accompanied Leinna that night. Harry Lewis said. She didn't because she wasn't ready and Tom said nothing. Dan Carey one of the men who had discovered. The bodies was a minor at Marksville with Tom Lewis. He testified that Tom Lewis did not come to work the day after the murder. Bit By bit. Defense Attorney Wall to McHenry took apart the prosecution's case mckenry. Henry claimed the Tom Lewis left his home about eight forty five that night with his friends George Williams and John Carlson. The the three sat on the bridge mentioned close to the murder scene and they talked about a horse. They saw an Ghana and parted company. Me Around nine fifteen. The Lewis family provided an alibi for Tom for the rest of the night Tom Lewis went upstairs bears with his sister Nettie whom he shared a room with divided by a small curtain. Nettie testified that she heard Tom Throw his boots on the floor and crawl into bed. She lay awake for some time and said that she did not hear him leave the father. David Lewis was described as quote slightly under the influence of liquor that night so the mother stayed up late to care for him and she testified. The Tom Never left the house the defense then elicited testimony from officers William Brothers others mcnutt and beauty maitland that they covered the same ground before witnesses Bobi and Mary but saw no tracks leading to the Louis resident residents and believed that the two amateur detectives had followed a trail made by police not the fleeing murderer on Friday September twelfth justice Egbert E is worth dismissed. The charges against Tom Lewis and released least him from custody. The Dubuque Telegraph Herald wrote quote. Lewis went home last evening very very happy. Young Man and family jubilee was held at the newest home. Near the residents of Peter Peterson. The police were. We're disappointed not in the outcome but that no further information came out of the trial to help. The case. Many believed the Tom Lewis was tried. Not because police believed that he committed the murders but because he knew who did perhaps Williams and Carlson Donelson with whom he was on the bridge. Police hoped that putting Tom on trial would make him squeal on his friends but he you did not. Many citizens were furious. That time and money was wasted on the trial. The Molten Tribune wrote quote. wrote the evidence against Louis was purely circumstantial which might have been adduced against any person who was in the neighborhood of the crime at the time of its Commission in the newspaper called the trial a huge joke and observed that no one in the courtroom except Attorney Halt Carpenter and a few alleged detectives took the trial seriously a month later on October Thirteenth Nineteen nineteen O two. Peter Petersen requested that a grand jury hear evidence on the murders of his children. Peter claimed that he the quote had been so bothered by the repeated visits and inquiries alleged detectives and Hawk shows that he wanted the matter sifted and settled hold for one and all supported by detective ally Harden and night Captain Miller all of the facts of the murder work and repeated and testimony was taken and on Halloween of nineteen to the grand jury ruled. There was not sufficient evidence to warrant any indictments. The Peterson case went cold for nearly nearly two decades until a new suspect emerged in July of nineteen twenty one. When seventy two year old? Mary Peterson revealed a terrible secret that she had been keeping for almost twenty years. Mary confided in her pastor. Reverend D Winfield Thomson than it was. Her son Willis who murdered his siblings. Leinna and Tommy. Reverend Thomson informed the authorities and on July twenty. Seventh Nineteen. Twenty one willis Peterson now. A wealthy farmer living near Bladensburg was arrested and brought to the moines to answer. His mother's charges in person got within days Willis was released. The Sheriff told the Associated Press that Willis's elderly mother. Mary was suffering from an illness and that her mind was affected. Although law enforcement believed that the accusations against Willis Peterson were the product of an elderly woman's demented mind Willis had always been around on the edges of the investigation Willis claimed that he found and discarded the bloody pipe which was briefly suspected to be the murder weapon. There was also the witness at Tom. Lewis is trial who claimed that he saw and overheard Willis conspiring with Williams and Kalson and about how they could establish. The shoeprints found at the scene were not there's Willis also fit the profile for a white male who lived nearby do the children and their schedules and was familiar. With the lay of the land perhaps willis resented their father's favorite Tommy or lusted for his sister lane and perhaps their mother. Mary Peterson Suspected Willis from the start. If Mary believed that one of her other children had committed the murder it might explain her forgiveness of the killer and her prayers that God have mercy on the murderer and forgive him in one thousand nine hundred ninety three. Peter Peterson died at the age of seventy eight. His wife. Mary Hoffman Peterson. Passed away four years later in nineteen twenty seven aged seventy seven. They were buried near Lena. And Tommy in Pine Mine Hill Cemetery. James Willis Peterson died on February twenty third nineteen thirty six. At the age a fifty eight he too was buried in Pine Hill cemetery near his parents and his murdered siblings. This has been murder minute for true crime anytime. Download the murder minute APP and follow us on Instagram and facebook at murder minute. 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Lena Dunham

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard

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Lena Dunham

"Hello. Hello. Hello are welcomed. Armchair expert. I'm your host. Mr. Dax gonna have great episode today. Barry, powerful woman. Beautiful woman. Smart tell Jin dedica- woman created a show called girls. Love girls. I'm here to Wanaka you here. You're one of the girls. I love. Yeah. Well, now, I'm gonna now I'm gonna break out. So I wanna be sincere about Lena. Okay. So you did it good. Okay. Not to my liking. But I did it. Now, let me get into the second thing. I wanted to get into k which was. Be outta we because now we're forty eight hours away. Could you have done him doing that hollowing say say happy Halloween? Oh, yeah. That's good Drake are trae smell, mafia eight. Drako trae smell my fake. Give me something. Good to eight as knickers bars, Twix bars. A luck nougat a like a baby a baby out baby Graham, what is it monitor grand honored? Ryan yet. A love Honda grain. Also, Brit baby Ruth also looked Kayla. Love gala and Turk Trie smell fate. It's nice to have you here from you something that Stacy. Orlina? She deserves a better intro than being than me having to do a character. And then new a Halloween. Greetings, third billing too. She has an hour. She has a long time to be on this episode. Matthew can be on for a few minutes us, right? That's right. Thank you. Thank you so much Mr. Dax, so Lena Dunham is here today, which is we felt like a very big get time. Yeah. That wing. We were elated when she said, yes, she was so fun in person. Boy, we could not even get into the studio because we started chatting outside when she arrived in the driveway and that could turn into its own three hour conversation. So personable, very personable. Very smart. Very funny. She's fantastic. You know, she created and starred and directed girls on HBO. She has a new show her new show camping his out. Yes. And it stars. Mr. McKenna high. Now, it doesn't it's as may in Leinna and were trialling around though. 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We've never engaged in as I see. You know, how this happens we both meet famous people. Yup. In generally, they fall into one of two categories where they're more attractive in real life or they're less attractive in real life in looking at your face. I'm overwhelmed with how cute it is. Not that. I didn't think your onscreen presence wasn't. But I'm really enjoying this real life version of Japanese so much because I mean firstly I pulled up, and I was like, oh when you came out in your overall like this it down to his do Coty, motorcycles, this is a gentleman with an enormous amount of swagger. We knew you were a moment slack here from Celtics on, but that means a lot to me actually because I don't think a ton about the looks thing. Like, I've been going to a bit of a I've been going to a bit of a phase where I've been feeling old down on my son. I texted my best friend Scotty the other night and told her that I couldn't leave the house because I was I said, I'm I'm I look like a piece of dough. Okay. Sure. And she had a great answer. She was like she was like, you know, what she's very pregnant. She's a better excuse to feel like a piece of dough. Which is like she was like, I'm a piece of dough right now. And I'm a piece of piece of dough next. But probably I've been not a piece of dough before and I won't be one in two years. But right now, I'm just kind of owning it. And so since let that dole bake in the sun, one nice, that's nice because you know, what's what's tricky is. It's tempting many things can be happening simultaneously. So you can be embracing who you are. Right. And learn. The love that person. And and that's healthy and wonderful, and we should all spire to do that. And then yet, you're also just an animal or a human being in. You wanna look your best whatever the the the the zone of that is that you've come to like except about yourself. You kind of want wanna be hitting the top of that zone or at least. I of course. Yeah. It's especially, you know, our line of work you cannot help. But think about your looks. No. And you can't help. But think about it, and you also can't help. But think like I have this thought sometimes some like, okay? So I came into this job being you know, I don't have. I'm not I'm not the archetypal like actress lady, but people have accepted that I look a certain way. But then I'm like if I go even more that way, like as you get older, sometimes you gain five or seven or ten pounds or your Happel ISM changes or you go or you go on steroids for a little bit. Or whatever happens not from. Muscle-building Ryan vanish, and they don't take the muscle building kind nor do I. But I want to so bad. And it is occurred to me my my fantasy was always. Well, maybe I'll end up in one of those super hero movies, and I'll have an excuse to do it for like six months as an experiment and just how it feels like walk around lies a big log like just to experience that feeling are you interested in the also like the fact that when you took steroids you'd be like speedy out of your mind and convinced your God will that is the part that is potentially. I can't do it. Yes. I have had friends who've done steroids, and there's many different kinds in some of them. Don't give you that. And then some of them. Yes, I've had friends is like you you couldn't do this. I feel like I've done one line of coke all day long. Yeah. Hundred percents. So that's a deal breaker for me fate. Yes. It would be a deal breaker for me too. But it's eight some, but when I take the stories from LeMay because I have an autoimmune illness. Sometimes do you do you have? Sorry, attic arthritis him. So so. To get two Horning. Very sexy disease psoriatic arthritis. I don't wanna flip you out. But I have a combination of undifferentiated mixed connective tissue disorder and alert. Dan, low syndromes side of endometriosis Ayler, Dan, lows syndrome is a hard to diagnose and fairly rare genetic mutation few different varieties of it shadows. Dr Howard Levy at at Johns Hopkins to help you find out about this. It basically means you don't have enough collagen in your connective tissue. And so that's the version. I have I don't have the vascular version, and so it means like some of the symptoms would be like increased flexibility, but also like deal increased flexibility, and mobility, but decreased strength and joint pain. And there's also other weird stuff like sensitivity to cold. And he didn't are you. Inordinately flexible. I'm gonna show you something they'll tell the viewers at home. Okay. I'm. Oh my goodness. So what Lena has done is basically full ded up her thumb like a wallet. And put it behind her hand on the top of her hand on the palm side. I can't even. Okay. So my arthritis targets there. Yeah. Can't even get it behind that finger there. That's maxed out. What do you do? I'm so how long have you had it? And what do you do to take care of it? So what's interesting is I've had it for going on nine years. But for four or five of those years, I had no idea. It was that. I just thought oh my feet are swelled up that must be motorcycle injury related. And then I was like, oh, I need knee surgery. All these things were happening that felt like injuries. I guess and also the inflammation from arthritis will settle in injuries previous injuries. So I go this makes sense this knee hurts, I got whatever. And then I had a dermatologist who knew I was kind of kept going all these different joint doctors. And he said, you know, I think he might have sorry added arthritis which will rheumatologist he looked at me for. Five seconds looked at my fingernails. He's like you have at all run test. But I can tell you right now, you have it. And then that then I started a different course of treatment. But I'm curious if you think like I do in that I think we're all allergic in this is kind of a lefty thing too. Yeah. But I think in general we eat so many different kinds of foods and met were all allergic to different foods. We don't know where logic to and that in the symptom can be sorry at occur threat. Is it can be your condition? It can be all these different autoimmune conditions. I really believe that there is some reason I carry around guilt and shame is because yes, I'm sick. I also really serious endometriosis head to get hysterectomy last year. Like, I've been through the wringer, health wise. And so I'm like, yeah, I'm sick. That's a thing that just happens to somebody's doesn't happen to others. But I am convinced that I if I were to be just like a slightly more. I want to be a personal slightly more like a willpower and force of energy that like I would be I would feel maybe like forty seven percent better. And so every time I crawl into bed. I have like a haze a blanket of guilt. Sure, the apps me me too. And just in general are you prone to guilt? I'm like, I it's my tastiest addiction is feeling shitty. About myself. I feel shitty about myself. I feel I literally the only time I feel relief in life is when I get for the three seconds after I get attacks from someone. That's like, it's okay. Don't worry about it. And it's like that feeling of someone being like or like, no, no, you didn't do anything wrong or please. Thank you so much for checking in, but it's not an issue. Yes. In. This condition. Lied to you creating elaborate theories, and why people are upset at you or. Yes. But what said should? Yes. One hundred percent, but what sort of become complicated in my life. Is that I was always incredibly guilty and obsessed with the idea of the different people had issues with me and didn't like me. But now that I'm a public person lots of people, I don't know have issues with me and don't like me. Yeah. And some of it for things that I totally new would be provocative in strange. So now I have to deal with the duality. And also the part of it that is like a total self-fulfilling prophecy and created by me, and that's information. None of us really wants about herself. Yes. I do think at all. Like there are many times where I think like, oh, this job of mine has been this crazy blessing. It's almost like immersion therapy, right? Where if like, you're a germaphobe they've making jump in a dumpster, whatever. So I have a lot of codependency things in this job has. Is forced me? You can't have this job. And not learn to set boundaries or you'll die. Andrea percent. When you realize no one else, actually cares. What happens to you girl on such told me a story? She was like twenty two and we were barefoot onset, and it was getting hot. And she said. The last movie I was on. I was barefoot, and it was in a really dirty dangerous place. They just coated the bottoms of my feet with superglue. It was like he did what those those like if you don't say no coat the fucking vase super glow. Absolutely. And then also then in in public. So the way I had to confront this whole thing was like if I'm with my kids, and I'm at the airport. I'm not very friendly. I don't want to interact with people because I don't that's their time. And I feel bad that they have to share me with other people, whatever. So in general, I'm pretty direct before out is a family dislike. Hey, this is our time nice to meet you. But I gotta keep it moving and many times people walk away, and they're like that guy's a fucking asshole. And I've had to just get comfortable with the notion that you know, what there are going to be a lot of people on this planet think you're an asshole. But I have to prioritize my family, my friends, and I also have to remind myself in those moments where I feel shitty. Do any of my friends think I'm a fuck and hassle is anyone that really knows me think I'm a fucking asshole. And I I don't think so so. So, but that's your nose. You. I've been hearing about you for years like, you know, back when when seventy two percent of gnome data Shepard we had a friend in common, Leslie Arfan, Leslie are fan s she's the greatest, and so she would talk about you. And like, I couldn't believe that. There was a famous person who was so nice. And it's like she'd always be like, oh, yeah. I was stressed. So I called Dax you called dad's like I didn't think that I figured you were like on a yacht somewhere with like Giselle bunging sitting on your face. No sure wish I had had that experience prior to shutting it all down eleven that could get me through some lonely nights. And that's I thought it was really cool. I don't think any of your friends think you're an asshole maybe one. But I haven't met them. Sure. Sure. Go ahead on the day. Sometimes Monica thinks I'm an asshole. But she comes back pretty quickly and a lot see a lot of sides. That's true. All assholes all the facets. Yeah. Though. That's also true back to Leslie really quick. Do you know how we met? You know, that story is it at the maritime hotel, can you detail it for me, though? Yes. It's one of my favorite ways to have met someone. So I was there in New York shooting baby, mama. So I was at that hotel guests six weeks. You're really good. Maybe mama. Thank you so much. I that's work. You're proud of o- hundred percent. But you know, it's great about that is like occasionally, you do something for entirely the right reason. Which was I just wanted to be around Tina name Amy being funny. That's it. I zero aspirations for myself in that movie. I was just. Only got gotta get to go watch those to do their thing. They're gonna write me a check on Friday, mazing amazing. So I'm staying at the maritime hotel and every morning I liked to drink coffee. So I got to order coffee from room service, but there's no room service at the maritime hotel. You have to call the operator and the operator, I guess relays. The message to the kitchen I had at this point talk to Leslie Arfan on the phone probably forty two times. And so one morning morning every morning, and I call up, and I go, hey, so I've loved the by the way, I just want to add I think this is complete horsh it that you have to bright down my order and relay it they should just let me give it to them. So you don't have to deal with this. And she goes, oh, well, that's just the tip of the horse shit iceberg of what's going on down here. And I go, oh what's going on down there? She goes. Well, first of all I am in a basement. Do you know when you talk to me, I'm in a basement, I'm like, oh my God. They've got you in a basement. So we start talking for probably twenty minutes. Like, I'm his laying in bed talking with this. Gale a find her super interesting. All funny. He's so funny. She goes. A listen. I want to take my cigarette break. So I'm gonna go out front, and I go great. I'll meet you down there. So I get on my clothes. I meet her on the sidewalk we talk for another thirty minutes. We discover we're both in the in a similar program, which is now ship immediately bonding, and then she goes, oh, I I wrote this book, and I'm like, oh, wow. You've written a book. I want wanna read it. So she gets me a copy of dear diary, I read it so fast. I love it. Incredible. A give it to Amy Poehler onset. You'll love this book. Well, haulers are fans favorite favorite favorite. Yes. Favorite favorite? And then so polar reads, it loves it writes, her a little note, I think give it to our fen this develops into this friendship or she ended up coming out to LA and was taking manager means, and I kinda was like to think somewhat of a mentor to her because I remember she felt very guy didn't even state your house at some point maybe on your couch for a night. The so possible I helped her get more like she didn't know how to get a car. I helped. Her car, she attacks you got a car amounted one night, and I had to drive her to go get her car something grey zone ice. There's something about her. I just really was rooting for so much, but in then you played a really huge role in her life. And let's talk about this because this goes directly into girls, which is didn't you? Discover her first writing job was on girls. It didn't you discover her through Twitter. Yeah. I thought she was so funny on Twitter. I thought she was so smart and interesting and weird. And like she gives us like a really negative review to a snack food. Like, it was just like the person. You're like, oh, yeah. No. I wanna be watching to you this person immediate Mente. And so when we were trying to come up with writers for the show, she and I had been DM ING as the kids say shar and asked her to meet me at aroma coffee on how Ston street why we can't know. I really was obsessed for a summer. There was a summer where like my major vice was like eating these really insane cheese sandwiches at aroma coffee, like eight or nine and a day sitting in. Watching him pass. That sounds heavenly to me kinda was great like I would feel pretty bad about myself at the end of the day. But well, it was happening. I was like I'm an adult and part of being an adult is you need as many cheese sandwiches. You want in a one twenty four hour period. So Leslie kind of came to my office in aroma. And we chatted which clubhouse may see cheese sandwich clubhouse, and we chatted and I just loved her. And we've had some of the great experiences of life together and something I love about our friendship is that she wrote on the first two seasons of the show. She went off to do other things and my life, and I bet you can relate to this. As it got really big while it's of career opportunities. Whatever it also got released small like, I my personal life as the world expanded. I made my personally for lead tiny. I was very scared, and I also didn't create a lot of space. My day was divided into like working or like lying with a pillow on my face. I didn't understand another mode. So looking back I can recognize that in probably a lot of people who were really important to my life. I forgot to include. And I forgot to check in on them in so Leslie, and I had a long period where you know, we would check in with each other. But we didn't really spend time together in that time. She got married I was lucky enough to be at her wedding. And oh, so then I would have seen you. There. I saw you at her wedding. Right. Awesome wedding that coolest wedding, rusty's speech. I left by the way. Oh, yeah. Check in with your therapist all entertain the listeners just want you guys to know that I'm just gonna let Dr John know what's going on. Hi, found free therapy on armchair expert. So so I don't have to. Take a pass today to go rainy, literally everyone in my life is like Sosa. I've been working on this not to brag I've been working on a Quinter in movie. But I wanted to know we can get if you're allowed to say that you say because there was a hop. Razzi? Picture of me showing Brad Pitt my underwear. So my mom was horrified. But she was she wasn't happy for you. My mom thinks I'm really funny, but she's in a private way, but she wishes that there was less like she wishes that I like kept it fun at Christmas. But that there was like a little less like a public sheriff aspect to it. My mom's like, Alexa. She's an artist. But she's like a nice Jewish girl from Long Island who thinks like underwear should be kept to the person who's wearing them. Does. She think it's indulgent of you hundred percent. Yeah. She would say a lot to me when I was growing up like a lot of like, well, at least you think you're funny thing like, my mom. Or she'll savings every time. She's been interviewed. She's like, I always thought Lena was actually I, you know, I just always thought she was trying all kinds of things and they didn't work. But if other people think he's funny. That's great. Okay. But would she can't or maybe what she's not realizing is you're just doing your thing at the Christmas party? But there are just people around taking pictures of you're not asking for it to be public. No, I do other things that are for sure. Asking to be public. But I did not know when I showed Brad Pitt my under that that was was that in a scene or just real life real life. Oh, that's great. But it was that he asked what a cute doll was. And I happen to have one tattooed on my side. So I thought I'm to you know, I've got the 'lustration reunion. My body. You could spend the next ten minutes describing an orally or just let his eyes gaze upon my thigh. Yeah. And that's just I bet he enjoyed that. You know, what I wanna believe like he probably doesn't have that many people just going like sure, you whatever it's. Yeah. I'll show you my underwear life. I figure there's not a lot of just like good. Stidham New England. Why birth New England's not showing him their underwear? So like this this circles beautifully back, which is I I think people underestimate how isolating success is in. It's so counterintuitive, but I have friends that are, you know, infinitely more successful than myself. And I've seen it. It just gets very isolating unless you you got a really a fight against it and have a game plan. It's just going to naturally happen. So let's talk about just the experience of I guess, maybe at being an outsider looking in feeling like, you're an outcast in a misfit, and that being kind of your persona you like rock, right? Yeah. I love punk rock in the U. We liked Leslie 'cause she's punk rock. Right. Lesley's definition of punk rock. Leslie is the most punk rock person. I've ever met like, yeah. And she's so punk rock that when she does mean, it's nerdy. She just like owns it. And makes it Blake. I were we drove around L A. We were both new to L A. Just like drive around and get a hotdog and sing along to the rent soundtrack. Yeah. Which I if I did it in high school. I'd want to shoot myself in the face, you're Leslie made it seem cool to do it. Right. Or like lessee be like, yeah. Where your pajamas to this premier like who gives a shit? Like, right. Also, what was cool about Leslie? She's doing all that. And she's sober like I like someone who's a lunatic. I feel that way. Which is like it doesn't take drugs to make me a lunatic. Like, right. The only reason I ever took drugs was to be less of alone attack. But it's interesting when you have a little bit of an identity where you feel like I'm an outsider misfit or I'm punk rock or all these things. And then you get kind of accepted by the popular people. It can be a weird transition. Right. You can kind of either a feel fraudulent or be distrust, the people who are now accepting new. There's like all these insecurities that arise right? All of it. And also I used to have a feeling like I don't think what I do is for everyone. Like, I don't think my story is for everyone. I don't think. My experiences for everyone. So sometimes I'd be having these people express appreciation of what I did or like act as though they related to me. And I would have thought which is probably not very generous for. I'd be like you can't possibly get it, which means that we're having a false interaction, which means entire thing is bullshit. And like, then you turn into that. Like eighth grade kid who's like don't like green day anymore because everyone likes green day. Yes. But I felt that way about myself myself was green day in a we have this expression called them. We also from terminal uniqueness. It's one of my favorite expansions think Rizova can unique at work favored expression, my favorite thing that my mom knows is like all tell her something that my fair piss told me, and she'll love it. And then a week later. I'll figure out that she's using it one hundred percent wrong. Unlike some more moral theories about her sounds like I told her the expression terminal unique this, I think Leslie told it to me and I loved it. And I was like, you know, dad's offers from a real case of terminal uniqueness. And then later she's like I was saying about an. I also suffer from terminal uniqueness just being so unique that your entire life. No one gets set. You was not in on the joke. Now, he also wants that to me. This is a favourite. My therapist is big into accountability. Let's accountability. It means everyone has to be accountable to me. This is right. This is there's a couple little clues of just maybe some light narcissism is in the mix. They're just little. No, we're not going to label her that. But. Administered about my mom. She's like my Piero. But like, I think as she's gotten older, she's she would tell you this. She's going to be sixty nine tomorrow. Okay. And sexy sixty nine but she looks good. And something about almost as she's gotten older her capacity to like endure anyone else's bullshit. She's just a steamroller steaming through the world, and she's just like, especially because she's a female artists, and she like really duked it out in the seventies. And eighties to do what? She does. Yes. Now. She's just kind of settled into like eccentric glamour puss with a jewel on her shoe. And it's like a really it really works for her. Oh, that's great. I earned the right to just kind of one hundred percent the vibe, can I just say that this is an incredibly soothing room. And that like, my friend told me recently that if you attuned to another person for twenty minutes that it can have the same effect as like taking down or like, your body your nervous system, your CNS, your central nervous system, just like taps into a. A new mode, and I really feel like I came in here. A little jangled looking at my week, not taking it moment by moment. But taking it day by day in stressed out way. And you have just like landed the plane. Oh, wonderful. That's fantastic. Thank you for that. No one will go back to. So you you directed a movie tiny furniture, and that's what opened up the door for girls. Yep. And you start getting recognized in getting attention. And it's just very tricky to navigate. Yeah. I was twenty five I had just turned twenty five when we start shooting the first season. I turned twenty six exactly a month after girls came out. But I was a young twenty six I lived with my parents still I'd never had a real boyfriend. Like, I got my first real boyfriend that year before that I'd just sort of like dated people, but I'd never had like a true relationship partnership. I was extremely suspicious of that person. Was that part of any of this? I had aspects of maturity, but I was like pretty stunted like fearful little person when I. Finally, met my long term boyfriend, Jack still a close friend of mine we broke up last year. And it was just like a fun ball of neuroses and talent enjoy but he was in a similar moment. His band had like the number one hit in America. So it was like that's all we are young that you couldn't escape for an entire summer. And now never again. And so we were sort of like in a similar mode. And so we kind of just grabbed each other like liferafts style and went for it. Yeah. So I was really like a I wasn't like a worldly twenty six who. I was like a freaked out twenty six right? Yeah. It was a lot. And you don't wanna be the presumes like ooh, getting famous was so scary. But I was I had a lot of trauma that I had it worked through. I was a super stressed out. I had like a serious, physical illness. That hasn't been diagnosed yet. So it wasn't like exactly prime. It wasn't like she's got a good physical fitness regime. She gets great amounts of sleep ready to go like rose like this is a person who could be knocked over by the wind at any moment. And I had this weird. And again, this is up thousand percent projection Lavaux in look, I'm trapped in my own experience. Which is usually said, I saw you on girls. And I immediately had the same reaction. I think many people had which was like I'm so into the fact that she's this confident getting bare naked all the time. And it's so refreshing in. It's definitely I've not seen. It minimally was only that like oh shit. It's rare that I don't I see something news. So you already I'm already excited and titillated by the whole thing because I've not seen it. But then the projector in me, I had this kind of theory about it. And I'm just curious if it's at all true at love to hear. Okay. So when I was in junior high and high school, and I fell like we'll fuck I can't do the feathered hairstyle that everyone's doing, and I'm not pulling off the look with those jeans in that thing, I feel like I can't compete in that. And that's why punk rock appealed to me. So I was like, you know, what fuck that. I'm having a mohawk. I can't do that hairstyle with love to. But I have colleagues, and I can't do the side part and all the stuff. So I feel so insecure trying to do this thing I don't seem to be succeeding that than I I'm going to yell. Fuck you I'm taking myself out of this game. This is my declaration that I don't care about your judgment. Of course, I did a lot. But it was my way of going. Fuck you. I'm not playing your game. So you can judge meal you want. But then ironically, those looks worked for me and close I chose worked for me. And I think people around me saw it as like, oh that kids so brave. He's like he's wearing size fifty two pants and a four x champion sweatshirt and his dreadlocks. He he's so confident, but we really it was a reaction to going like, I don't feel like I can do the cookie cutter version. So I'm going to reject it. And I just wondered was your thing just going like, I feel judged by you. So I'm going to out do you one hundred percent? My thing was always like I'm gonna make it. I'm gonna hit the punchline before you, can you know, when we have those experiences inform. Years of not being seen the way we want to be seen like a big memory of mine is like, you know, in the summer before you start school. You like you're like, I'm remaking my identity this summer, and I'm so I would think about my first day of school outfit. Every minute of every day. I would fantasize it. I would talk about if to my therapist, my mom, and I would game it out. She was great at doing that. With means. My mom is like a real Queen of like finding like like I'd be like, listen, I can't go back to school without Kate Spade. Bag and she'd be like, well, we can't afford that. But I'm gonna figure it out. And we're gonna like my mom was a person like found a tomah Gottschee somewhere on the day. No one could tell g she's just a Queen. So I remember clueless had just come out and I was obsessed with clueless. And so my mom was like civic character share. Okay. The whole the whole thing was credible. And I was at of the asleep. But I wanted to share we all wanted to share, and none of us were share. And none of those are one year apart, by the way is gonna sit he'll thirty one love thirty two killing it. Yeah. Six eighty seven. Love. Thank you so much for. Yeah. It's so we were in the same moment where clueless happen a huge deal. So my mom was like we found a mini backpack. Got the sketchers that had a he'll. We saw skirt you get her pigtails. And then I'm like the first day of you know, you have your real backpack. And then the mini backpack is a fashion thing. And I was like I'm going back to school in. Everyone's gonna fucking flip out. I'm certainly going to be super popular 'cause I'm gonna end then I got back to school literally somehow no one had seen clueless yet. And the first thing they did is they were like, we're not doing classes morning like to like bond all the fourth graders were doing dodgeball Anza. Suddenly, I'm like in dodgeball in my high heeled sneakers and my mini backpack. And I just remember feeling of like painting myself to the wall as tight as you could possibly fucking go to avoid the ball. And just being like, this is hell life is held at is so tied. It's so tough. If he is asked again, a Allen dot while. But like for me that was a thing of trying and expectations versus the outcome. That's a big, and those are my favorite kinds of characters to write are people whose perception of themselves and the world's perception themselves. Crazy gap like those and those are those fun characters to play. Yeah. A golf exists between the perceived self and the present himself one hundred percent, it's a joy and employer. Tune for four armchair. There. We are supported by me young as we are supported, my Mia knees. That's a new take on the ma'am Unum. These names on they never asked me to write. And I did anyway. And you give a little twist Monica. Yeah. Are saw a spring in your step last week? I said what's going on? Why are you in such a good mood? 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And I understand that you in Jemima had this. Did you change your life? One hundred percent because she thought I was cool, and I wasn't cool and Jemima was cool dramatic Oklahoma's right shocking. Like, she has her own intense pain and challenges as she would tell you an issue would tell the world, but like she was just a personal link. If she wore like a giant t shirt from the Miami airport. So then Lee everyone wanted a giant t shirt on the Miami airport like she's just she didn't follow any trend or any. She never had a thing that looked like another person staying like she was so fucking cool on when she got I knew who she was we had met and then she switched schools to my school. She was a ninth grader I was in eighth grader or not that usual for a high school or to talk to a middle schooler and one day. Was like sitting on the stairs. And she was like come here. And like I remember the feeling of her like patting the stairs by her meeting. I'm allowed to sit here. And then it was just like it was on. And it took me time to realize that like she wasn't about to play a prank on like Dumbo pig's blood over your head at the dance. But she's end living. That's amazing mentors. Like, she literally remembers the name like I remember everyone went to high school with. I remember how they looked at me. I remember when I game the whole thing out Jemima literally can't look if I there we had the exact same school experience. If I say to her like, Becky robes. Yeah. She would never have no clue she hasn't remember single fucking person from our high school. She's remember people she made out with they probably have very little power over her. She somehow had this crazy compass right or like two months of school year like the most miserable days for me were the days that insane BART's her psych. Her life was so fucking. He wants called me. And was like I remember I was my like landline rang, and it was on. She was like if we're going to Saint parts if you get a ticket. We not gonna have to pay for anything and Gwen to my parents. And I was like something amazing happened if we can get a ticket to save my parents you've school tomorrow, we're not buying you fucking ticket to Saint farts. Are you in your what on earth was? This was a two year old is allowed to buy a ticket to Saint Barbara hang out with Russian oligarchs pop in like February. On a school day. But Jemima win. Yeah. Jim I always somewhere. She was always like choose like, she's like a character include this. I wish share she's a full Sherry. I mean, it's like she's a share. She's eighty Cedric. She's all the things also the weirdest detail about your mind. She's always early. Oh, interesting donor intuitive. I'm like an anxious guilty like the studios person who's late to everything and Jemima's like a person who like seems not to give a shit, and it was like never missed an appointment in her life. She's always surpr-. She's always swerving is Aaron weekly still your best friend. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He's coming this weekend with his kid, and we're going to hardy. That's so nice. You see a punk? Yeah. We were. We were punks. He was one of the toughest kids in all detroi-, sweetest guy nicest smile, also could not guys out who messed with us. It was I it was I felt very safe. We both have very fucked up childhoods, Wayne and have males around us. We snuggled is kids. My mom thought we were gave for a while. Like we were each other's mail presence were Ye kind of Aaron weekly in you kinda dad at each other up big time and repainted each other yen. I won't ever love a human being in my life. Like, I love air weekly. I mean, I just were fused on a cellular level. Really nice. So does Jemima give you a confidence that then you may be build the whole house on is that the foundation or my overstating now, it's pretty big the Jemima things pretty big. And she's such a big part of like like, you know, she's a big part of everything I've ever done professionally which is not an accident that I was like you come with me. Like it made me feel like I could make a movie. Was there when we feel like I could make a show that she was there. It still makes me feel like I can do like and she didn't necessarily want to act correct. When you put around girls it was like she tried to quit like three times tried to quit after the first season tried to quit after the second season. Finally after the fourth season. She was like, I think I'm staying full good because you signed a contract for six years. He could be is like didn't give a shit. And now she's like now, I really wanna make more things with her in them. And I think we're figuring out what they are. But she's also a painter, and she has two kids. She's someone who is a very rich lifelike she'll go on some kick and she'll Louis by like nineteen vintage baby shirts. She does not currently have a baby she'll buy like nineteen vintage baby shirts with like Disney characters on them from the forties. Should be like a curator at a super fancy boutique in his shoes. I'm wearing today. She had them at my house. And I just thought they were so cool. I said can I have them into? Yeah. They were five dollars. And I'm like, they're the most beautiful thing. I've ever they are still every time and a lot of. Times. I'll say can I have it about a thing. And it'll be really fancy and she'll say, yeah, I like, she'll I'm looking for a diamond earring of hers that she lent me that I now can't locate sure which is rude. Yeah. But if someone lends you enough diamond earrings, you're just will they'll stop eventually. That's when you'll know she's actually pisses you'll ask her to borrow something. She'll say, I can't you can't do it. I'm done is an unhealthy relationship. Our whole dynamic like for years. She's been like, you know, like a big thing was I was sick for a long time. So we'd make plan because I really wanna do it. And then I'd be like, I'm sick and she'd be like fine. And I know that that meant she was mad, and then I call her and she just be like, I don't know if I can do this again, I don't wanna make plays funeral at. Then really what she wanted was for me to be like, I'm sorry. I love you. Or do you wanna come over? I'd say do you wanna come over? And then she'd go, no. But like she wanted to be asked like I've learned I've leaned into more like what her languages and now he don't fight. It I roll with it. And that feels better it is hard to know win, especially when you're younger, you have all these definitions of what it means for you to love somebody. So I've had friends like this where they just kept failing me in my mind because they were doing. The thing that if I did it would be a real loud declaration that. I don't care about you. But then you gotta remember like everyone's weird family values. Some other aspects of mine values like loyalty in being there for each other. So if somebody in my opinion, demonstrated the lack of loyalty bet was you might as well, tell me fuck you. I don't care about you. But in their families probably something else, and I'm probably triggering those things. It's all very confusing. Right. It is. And you have to realize like learning to show up for people the way, they want you to it's taken me a while to be like, oh, you learn more the longer you're on this planet. Like, you're not born knowing how to show up for everyone until your twenties like mine tire twenties for lots of reasons I felt like I was fucking up all the time. And I've been like why are my thirties easier? I'm like, oh, maybe I like, no more things are and can avoid situation. I felt I felt like my twenty s were me constantly walking into situations and going how did this suddenly become a disaster? Right. And I did a lot of houses happening to me. And. Now, I think a lot more about like, how am I happen to this? Yes. Yes. What would what people don't seem to recognize again as pretty good appointing. This Al that self-aggrandizement is equal in every way to self pity. Yep. It's they're both eagle maniacal narcissistic places to think that either you're so important or that your the victim of some grand universe conspiracy. You've made yourself way too important in both. Well, I hear the term narcissist. They often think it means somebody who like has a really great huge sense of themselves. But I think some of the biggest nurses, I know are some of the most self hating depressed tragic figures because they have a sense that like all of the universes wrongs are in reaction to them. Right will. Yeah. Another thing. Again. I'm on my eighth a slogan. My favorite one is. I'm not much, but I'm all I think about. I like someone told me about when an alcoholic family member goes into alanon. Great and others to people thinking about you all the time. Will they already wore? That's why you were a good man, totally. But you don't you don't have any negative qualities or I do do. I do get candidate for it. You said you had trauma. You know? I'm told me what it was. But generally, there's a lot of trauma. There's a lot of anxiety. There's a lot of this feels like actually a safe place to say this. I wasn't going to and you'll tell me what you think because I think it's such a kind of it's such as something I will talk about more. And I'm writing about now which has been really interesting, but I was thinking as I came here. I was like do. I mean, I was gonna tell you privately. But I was like do I say this joy, not because it's such a like, you don't want to sort of advertise it and seem like you're so proud of yourself, but I've been sober for six months. I have gray. I was can I guess what happened? Yeah. This could be a fun. Guess can't wait. So you have anxiety really bad the biggest epidemic. No one talks about everyone knows about the opioid epidemic. Love where you're going with this. But what people don't recognize that the the benzoate. Epidemic is equally is rampant. You've hit the nail on that. It's a great great tool at the beginning of it. If you have Xanax is great advance Craig can operate in the world. Yes. But it is. Klina pin? Okay. Kalana Pimm, but it's very diminished returns answer to that problem. As is our opiates. So is that it was Bente percent Quanta pin? It is a rough hang on a pen and say the one of the hardest things the detox from has been zones. It's shocking. It's shocking. What it feels like? And it was a real slow. I mean, I've had experience I've had my share fair share of opiate experience because I've been so sick at times I've had like ten abdominal surgeries in the last three years. So while so I know what that looks like and I've had to take opiates for extended periods of time three two three weeks. Getting them doesn't feel great. Great great. You've got a, you know, you've got a pretty hard core. Twenty four to forty six hours twenty four to forty eight hours. I know how many hours are in two days. But the thing about lot of time on the toilet to lot of toilet a lot of time like like like loudly you to lot of time to read a magazine, but you don't want to. I know what that feels like the Benza thing is crazy because it's also firstly. Let's just say it is the most normalize, especially in our industry. Everyone's gotta fuck in pill in their purse a thing in their bag. I wanna make sure I have it with me because I'm going to this event. I'm gonna take half of zanex. I haven't really clawing fly a lot half. An I was a real just like my I remember my mom saying to me this is not me blame her when I was a kid. She was like there's no reason to ever suffer. There's no reason to ever suffer. And when my anxiety was really bad as a kid. She'd say we're going to get you on medication because there's no reason to ever suffer. Sure. And she's right. There's no reason to put your you don't need to be a hero about things, but I really took that to heart. And when I was having crazy anxiety having to show up for things that I didn't feel equipped to show up for. I was like there's no reason for me to ever suffer and at the beginning, or you're also probably evaluating will I can't do that things with without some help. So I just won't be doing it. But I know I need. To do it. I know you need to do it. And when I take a cop in I can do it. Suddenly I felt the thing everybody talks about in the rooms everybody talks about writing. Which is I feel like the person I was supposed to be yet. For me. I'll go hall. This guy were friends with Gordon Keith. He said a best was like, we're all born to beers away from being happy so good, and it was gonna and away from being. Yeah. And it wasn't just happy. It was like it was like suddenly I felt like the part of me that I knew was there was like freed up to do her thing right yet. It it quiets the monster upstairs enough that you can be your best self, and I didn't have any trouble getting a doctor to tell me. No, you've got serious anxiety issues. You should be doing that. You should be taking this. This is what how you should be existing. Right. So it stopped being I take them when I fly and it started being like, I take one when I'm awake rut rusher is open. Yeah. And then I was like sudden when you build up a tolerance pretty quick to Benza. Very fast. So I took them on and off. And then I had I was diagnosed with pretty serious PTSD after my I have like a no of few sexual traumas in my past than I had all these injuries than I had my hysterectomy after a period of really extreme pain. And I was diagnosed with PTSD, and I was basically it stop feeling if I had panic attacks. It started Vilnai was a living panic attack. I just the only thing that was notable were the moments in the day where I didn't feel like I was going to barf in faint. And so at that point. And the reason I talk about this because I think that I know deeply that I'm not alone during that time, you know, and by the way, I was taking medication, and it was I was taking on a pin in at that point. It wasn't making it better. But I just thought if I don't take this. How much worse will it get will? That's the thing is I I'm happy for people to do anything that as you say prevent suffering in the David harbour was on here. And he he has the best grasp of all this way better than I understand it because he knows depression, really, really well. Well, he has a great take on it for what that's worth you want here. So I'm out of my depth when I say, but disin- general I don't think you you should suffer. But the reason I'll come out on the side of it is it'd be great. If it really works. If it doesn't just like for me. I'll call it worked for a decade. But then it does stop working in at that point. Now, you're double fucked 'cause the thing that did work doesn't work in Milwaukee more anxious, and you're having crazy rebounding Zion throughout the day and something I feel really blessed about is it stopped working and within. I mean, if I look back there was a solid three years where I was to put it lightly. Misusing sure benzoate even though it was all quote, unquote, doctor prescribed, and I had convinced somebody to tell me that this was the way I can recognize now the way that my own like manipulation played a part. Sure, there's a lot to be on a that said I had a back problem for eight years old. I got so were the back problem when? Totally. Yeah. Well, I just thought my thought was like I'm not in being because I take pills. I take pills because I'm in pain, and I'm not anxious because I take pills. I take pills because I'm anxious. Suddenly realized that entire thing is turn on its Ted and the doctor who helped me detox off of Benzes, which is like, by the way, like the one. Again, the reason I talk about this isn't just to be like look at me. I did it. It's to be like people should know. Like, nobody. I know who is prescribed these medications is told by the way when you try to get off this it's gonna be like the most hellacious acid trip you've ever had where you're fucking clutching the walls, and your hair is blowing off your head. And you can't believe you found yourself in this situation. Like now, the literal smell of the inside of pill bottles makes me wanna throw up like we say the amount of trauma. I have just around that. And I still feel like my brain is recalibrating itself to be able to experiencing Ziobro. But even though the peaks of joy that I've experienced in my six months as righty are. There's nothing else. Like it on this planet. Yeah. People don't recognize pills and booze. And all that stuff. Does vary. Affectively help you deal with the lows, but it also then lops off the highs it let us start living in a very finite zone of basically, no feelings, no feelings, and I look back at who. I thought that medication was allowing me to be more myself. And I actually see I can see all of the things that sort of the world wrought upon me. I don't blame myself for my illness. I don't blame myself for my for the sexual abuse. I experienced I don't blame myself for the physical abuse. I experience I don't blame myself for the challenges of being a woman in this world and an anxious woman in this world and living in this body. But I do see the way that I medicate it myself negatively impacted people around me and decimated my decision making and hurt my creativity. And so I just feel literally like on my knees grateful every single day at mom. My worst moment in my life. I mean, yes, really hard things had happened to me. And I'm able to more clearly now see what they were. And like how they were turning points in my life, and like, I always thought might whole life. I thought I'm going to work my ass off. And then I'm going when I'm thirty. I'm going to get pregnant, and that's going to slow me down on a mobile. And then when I was thirty I literally that part of my body revolted, I had ten certain nine surgeries to try to be able to keep my uterus. Ultimately, couldn't and it was the deepest grief. I've ever had in my life. But before that at my lowest point, I was in a relationship with a really amazing loving person. I'd want a couple of Golden Globes won a couple of golden gloves. I had an incredible career. I had a family that loved me. I owned three houses. And I felt like I would go outside and like trees would look like they were menacing may like it was so dark, and the thing that I think is so scary about and really what I care about. Now. Like, I spent a lot of time. Oh, twenty twenty. What is? My cause because I care about everything I care about human rights and Justice. So it's like it's easy for me to throw my name behind a billion liberal causes. That are meaningful to me. But the thing that I care the most about is the intersection for women of trauma, mental health and addiction because I just think that in that nexus is like I can see how I would have been lost to the kind of like gravitational pull of my own pain and drowning out and I think we lose so many good women. We talk a lot about like, what are things that are holding women back and one of the things that I think is holding when MAC besides, you know, we know it's societal by as we know that it's, you know, there's a pay gap. We know, but also like the lack of resources around like tons of women have experienced trauma. We think PTSD is like reserved for Iraqi soldiers or whatever, but tons of women are experiencing incredible amounts of trauma as this past week with Cavanaugh showed us like the rain hotline went down because so many women were retraumatize. By listening to that testimony. And so I feel like my job having survived, and, you know, by the grace of God surviving every day and staying lean and staying in the world, but I feel like my job is to try to give a voice to that story. Now as up followed you over the years, what is infuriated me several times in where you and I- diverge, and you're so much more Volvo than I am is you are very liberal your outspoken proponent for a lot of meaningful change. And yet you've been devoured by the left like five or six times. Yes in the always fuck it infuriates me. It's one of my complaints about our site. Is that we just can't wait devour one another, and you just don't see that on the right as much aid definitely figured out. How to keep the cross talk to a minimum. So to speak like, they are really like their instep with each other. Even if they privately fucking despise each other. You're like I one time stupid. Unle referred to Rizza med on Ellen as be Indian. And a he is Pakistani. Visit turns out I mean, he's lived in England. So he's neither. But I did that in. I got you know, several hundred people calling me a racist on Twitter, and my knee jerk reaction was like you could be tweeting David Duke, you're you're you're choosing to use that energy on me. It just feels like it Arthur bigger fish to fry than me sane that it why is that where your energy is going, and I get defensive, but I've seen you in the face of that like apologized people when I personally would have either been incapable. I just don't didn't think they deserved an apology. You seem to have this really benevolent like it doesn't it's not gonna kill you or paying you to just ignore that they're hurt and keep it moving. How do you? How do you go through those? And what what happens when those things happen to you? I for sure made mistakes I've made big mistakes. And it's funny because I was never a drinker. I was never a pot smoker. I never did quote, unquote, recreational drugs. So it never occurred to me that my judgment could be impaired in any way. 'cause I was like I'm just taking the medication. I need to be alive. Right. And now, I look, and I'm like, no all my senses weren't intact. And maybe I wasn't being as sensitive or as self aware as I could have been. I'm not saying I mean, there are plenty of times that I did things people didn't like where I was stone cold in Zion, easy ridden sober. But there were also times like I think my judgment was generally impaired by my obsessive desire to escape my own pain. And I think that the thing about apologizing now there's a whole narrative like all Lena Dunham ever does get into shit and apologize for it. But I'm like, it's not our job, isn't that any long-term relationship is just like a fucking series of Apollo the nice of going to be much easier for you. Most people what he wants my apology sitting there like the. New thing is I'm like, how do I because I am such an obsessive apologize or like someone like crashes into me? And I say, I'm sorry. Like, I can't my dad used to make a rule he'd say. No more saying, I'm sorry today in no more saying, I love you because it would be like I'd wake up and I'd be like sorry LMU. Sorry, everything. And he was like, no, John. So like had a meaningfully apologized, and how to apologize to people in the way that they wanna be apologized to like I want a super verbose apology in which you explain to me what a wonderful person. I am and how I've changed your life. Somebody else may just want you to fuck in shelf for their birthday party in shut the fuck up. Right. Writes about yourself for five fucking. I don't wanna talk about it. Can we just go get sushi, and you can be the fuck quiet is like, yeah. Yeah. So I'm working men's for a living a living amends so to speak. Yeah. Was there one though that was harder for you. Where you were like, I'm about to apologize to somebody that I don't feel like deserves an apology a couple public apologies where I've been like, I can't fucking believe. I have to say this right now. Like, I cannot believe I'm trying to think if there's any ones that really stand out to me right now, there's a few where I've been like, maybe this is a good point. But the person who brought this up as a fucking asshole ri-. I can't like like I'll look at their Twitter, and I'll be like this person's called out seventy two celebrities in the last thirty two hours, so helpful to occasionally look at people's timelines. Then when it's called just go look at Britney Spears, you're tois, and I'm like, oh, you're not regulating your emotions at all. No in the night quickly realized like, oh, this person is in the hunt of prestige in a call out culture in the most generic way possible in like, I don't need to be fodder for this person at whatever I use let blow pass me, but it is weird because we have access to too many people. Here from too many people just no matter what it's hard to know of what you said was ninety eight percent. Received an imprint she wanted or if what you said is actually offensive to forty percent of people. It's almost impossible to know. It's kind of like when you have a great meal rarely to someone call the manager over to say like, hey, just want to let you know. My my server was awesome. And the food was great. But if you find a toenail in your steak, you're gonna and tell them yet, it's up is a much bigger motivator. So it's hard to know what your message, whether you know, alternately in a utilitarian sense. It was a win. Or if it was a blunder right hundred percent. And it's also just like at a certain point. And this has been a big part of the last. I keep saying the last six months, and that is six months ago is when I was like, no more substances that could alter my mind or going into my body. But the last six months are also when I was like, I need to take care of myself, or I'm never going to be able to make anything again like I had to look at my life and me like I want to be an old lady like my favorite filmmakers Agnes far done. She's French and she's in her late eighties. Early nineties, and she was just on the cover of interview magazine. She's a Sheik bitch. I wanna be fucking eighty eight and waking up at four in the morning to like write my magnum opus. I don't wanna be thirty four and like withering away in my own guest house. Yeah. So it's like you have to just really than at certain point. You have to go like, okay. There's here's where the rubber hits the road. Like, I'm going to start taking care of myself because it's no longer glamorous for me to stay up all night, drinking bottled, Starbucks and like pounding through this and then like a withering away with anxiety tomorrow. And so a big part of my last six months has also been like, how am I going to be cool with the gap as Ribot gap in perception between how the public sees me. And who I know I am. Yeah. It's not even about how I see myself. It's like when I close my eyes, and I meditate like the warm like light of my own like essential being is like indirect opposition to the picture. That's been painted of me. And like, how am I going to be okay with that? And it turns out the answer is just like minute by minute hour by hour like try. Stay connected to that feeling is how you're going to be okay with it. You can for more armchair expert. 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Sign up at armchair dot robinhood dot com. That's armchair dot Robin, Hood dot com. So I've only hung out with Jemima once or twice I think Chris knows her and she came over one time to our house. I said to her like, hey, can I talk to you on the side here about something? I do the movie with Adam driver, and I loved him from girls, I was excited to meet him. And it turns out were he's from a little town in Michigan right next to where my grandparents owned a motel now way. And we're going to get on famously. And I was like oh my God. You're from water like my grandparents hotels in Sturgis. And he's like, oh, okay. And I was like oh really do that. That's that. And that that was that. And then we had to promote this movie together. I tried. Yup. Yup. And I tried maybe three other times to connect with him. Never door was never cracked a kept knocking on it. So I said to Jemima is said to me, and she goes, no, no. He was kind of like that. An intro all of us. Craziest girls at house like what a superpower he's smart enough to just not give any we were. All I have to say this to is that we were nuts for Adam Dr because gives it in dribs and drabs. He's not mean right is just coming in. He's doing his job. So well, he's not looking like gab with you about your cat craft service. A key is doing his fucking job. And I think you can tell when he does press like Adam is there to like do the best version of the fucking thing and get out, and I definitely like as a especially before I was like a little more like emotionally regulated as like an like a people pleasing site Ville, Jonker approval junkie. I was constantly putting myself. In the path of Adam driver, if you're listening. I'm sorry about how many times you're just looking at your screen, and I was standing in front of you present you with two different apples and asking which one you might like to eat like I was just and then if I couldn't get it. I'd be like did I do something. Is there something like atoms behavior? It was a great example of like Minar schism was me being like Adam seems a little tired today. I don't know what I did. And it's like, maybe you just like he was like working on his lines like, but yes, it's a superpower. And ladies go crazy frat offer. A he had me on the run. I I got no business with him. We're not gonna Faulk. Here's Adam he's like the coolest and in every sense of the word like I always the definition of like, a cool cool person is like they kind of don't seem like they're like Leuven on your time clock. But I have never known a pro or man, and he's so good on SNL. I didn't see it yet. But I'm curious always great at it. Because it's an interesting thing, which is like he's you know, like when you meet him quite of quite a serious, focus, gentlemen. But he's he's down to clown in the right context. He's down to clown. He's a deeply supportive person to do a scene with like, even if he just put your hand on your shoulder. You're like, oh like he is all about making the work work out. I'm really the only time I've ever really felt like I was like an actor is acting without him. 'cause I'm like, oh because he can make like a fucking rock feel like they're going to win an Oscar because. Yeah. So good. And he's delivering you your thing. Like on a platter? That's how I felt was Peter Krause I was like, oh, he's sucking me into his. Oh, yeah. That makes Mueller special little world. Yes. Like he is so trained in so skilled that he would create a reality for both of us. He'd suck me news little bubble. When you did that on girls, you did this punk rock thing in your new. And you did all this stuff it then you inadvertently became like the face of bravery was that like what I didn't mean to do that. I didn't mean to become the face of anything. And then I had a while where I bought into my own mythology. And I was like okay was made the face of this thing. So I better do this thing and something I've really been enjoying. We're now living in a time. Like when I first started piping up about stuff like a lot of celebrities wooden say who they were voting for. They wouldn't talk about politics. They wouldn't talk about abortion. Like, it wasn't now that we're living in a house gape people are talking about it a lot of people are talking about it. And suddenly I've been doing this where I'm like. Okay. A lot of very cool women have this covered. I did it for a while nine gonna hang back. So I talk about things if I think it's very very important or have a particular. Her take on it. Or I try to offer my support where it's needed. But I don't think of myself like, I'm just like, okay. I'm off in my cave writing. Yeah. Do you have a type of guy you have a dream type great mass gin, and it makes me feel good to be asked type of guy. I mean, it's changed over time. When I was younger, I was like I've always liked to musician. We did you have a favorite heartthrob from childhood. This isn't really where yet I have a couple. But like, I mean, I was obsessed with in order to Capri. Oh when everybody else was, but it was like like a sickening love like I was sick over had it for note Campbell or my stomach hurt so bad when I'd watch party of five. But then the person who I felt an I've told him this. He knows in high school the person who I like wanted to shoot myself over. Yes, I shouldn't be using gun metaphors time in history of I'll give person I wanted to like OSA better. If you want to slit, your karate Geyer artery, sometimes on people on Twitter will be like like. Like, I'll be like off you're being so casual about mental illness. It's like at a certain point him link. I'm so mentally ill. I happen. My whole life. Yeah. I also feel like you don't own the world like when you've dealt with trauma. Like the last thing you need is to have your approach to managing it. You're healthy approach to managing which is humor. I would argue humor's the healthiest way around these issues. Like, I'll apologize for a lot of shit. But I'm not gonna apologize for leaky using humor to get through my life. So that I don't roll off. It's like when you have a parent die the shit you and your siblings joke about like stuff, my brother, and I were joking about while. My dad was day was horrific. Anyone that would you'd it? But man, it helped us so much. It's so fun and funny when it's happening all my grandma was dying the best time with my cousin. We love our grandma. We were. So it was horrible the women were around her. And it was like, you know, it was peaceful ish, but it was really stressful, and we were in the room with her and my cousin, and I kept doing this posed likely were Japanese. You know, when you see those pictures online, and it's like a tourist, and they don't realize they're in front of like a car accident. I thought it was funny to kinda stand in front of our grandma and like flash apiece. Sign and smile to each other. And then my cousin was like, we do this. I could lose my job. And I was like we're in a room alone. Making us feel better. And grandma would want us to feel good Emma likes jokes. I just just in a Marais is shared this in Toronto last weekend. Which was I even had I s nurse to take the photo of me. And I held a pillow over my dad's face while he was sleeping, and I sent it to my brother and said just tying things up here in Detroit. Misery thick. But he and I are both. It was so funny to us, of course. And it's like, and by the way, the nurses know that you need it the amount of jokes. I made when I was in the I was in the hospital for eleven days last fall for my it'll it'll be a year since I had my hysterectomy November. And I was in the hospital for eleven days leading up Russa, my mom had it when we were kids. That's the only time I've ever seen her taken out. Oh, it was so rough. And like I was sick to the core of my being and I held up this sign. I this made me and I've never shared this picture. But it makes me so happy. It's me in my hospital. Gown standing up like, you know, when you have to take your done like IV stand to the bathroom, and I'm holding up a small sign that someone gave me his Trump loves rape. It's my favorite protests picture. Mom had been I'm gonna take it. But don't post it. Host in or poor. Parents that have had to go along with all my mom took like the most beautiful picture of me in the hospital. And she was like you if you're gonna post anything post this. It was like like me sleep land. This is disgusting. An embarrassing Whitby never finished your sentence. Who you we're gonna shoot yourself over Jimmy Fallon? It was illness inducing how much I loved him. I thought about all the time. I literally thought about them all the time. And I've told him that. I mean, I was sprung a Jimmy Fallon. Naval was the moment when you got to tell him where you like, I want us talk show. I told him before I was just like place action. Yeah. It is just tell them in a hallway. He's does a lot of wiggle room. But if it's a talk show, it's like there's the in inborn boundary of the talk show. And he was so nice about it. And you know, he's like an adult man with kids in the whole thing. He's not like, you know, like a twenty four year old and a giant sweater. Like, that's us. Mary guys with kids. We live off of those comments. It can get us through a lot just to even know someone felt that way about horse. And like if I hear someone things literally anyone becomes attractive to me when I hear they think I'm attractive off me do. You'd be off my feel truly the opposite. I'm like, oh, there's something wrong with you. But but yeah. But then that's nice. I love having crashes. Hat on me. Anyone can become appealing. Yeah. Again, I should be more evolved in this. But in fact, I've said this on here, you could say anything about me. And I mean, it you could go Dax is the dumbest fucking idiot in his nose is so gross. I wanna fuck him. I'm so good. I'm like, I didn't even I'm no longer heard the first thing you just hers on how those gross things about me. Make you horny for me. And now every life is out the window. That's out the window. Well, this stay your office forever. Sadly, this is getting torn down. But I'm game on buildings humping right behind us. That will become this new. That's so cool. Are you hear all the time? Monica. I he here all the time. Yeah. So cool twain her pain him and Kristen, yeah. You'll hear all the time. Yeah. We're in a lifestyle. It's a lifestyle. I love it. Now. I'm really socked in to telling stories like it's really where I wanna be where my energy is going and the idea of nailing, my public persona or like killing it in my public life has really become like something. That was interesting for me that happened last week. Like, I did a big long interview for a profile. That's coming out around my new show. And I for the first time it was like, I didn't say anything funny, and I don't care. Yeah. I was so not funny. I was just like, yeah. I have PTSD. I didn't feel good last year. It was horrible year. I like to be at home with my cats. I'd like to watercolor. This is my show. Like, it was just like, yeah. They'll let desire to present because the desire to be funny in the desire to be liked and the desire to present has actually got me in a lot of trouble in the past. Yeah. Oh me over oh, I've gone away. Too far in it. I've gone too far. It has not been good. It has not been a good scene or I made a joke. I'm going to you've done, obviously, Hollywood Foreign Press stuff. I just did this week and. For those who don't understand what Holly Hollywood Foreign Press is they're basically they've left their country of origin. And they are international journalists that cover a an area their country, Croatia whatever, but they live here in Hollywood in you, do these kind of big interviews where there's like thirty of them. And then they disseminate that to their home country, and it gets out around the world. Well, because they're all foreign in humor in comedy is pretty regional. You can get into hot water pretty easy making jokes in front of them, which I did one time we were doing parenthood panel in the question was like we will notice. Crosby has a black child us with a black woman. But you never talk about is she she is black. Whether you know, he's trying to ask like, why aren't we ever address the fact that we're an interracial relationship, and I know Kate hymns as like doesn't really want to handle this question. So I'm like I'm going to let him off the hook. Yeah. Oh, he goes. Why why did you choose to have? That's what it was. Why did you choose to put Crosby internet racial relationship? And why don't you talk about? And I said, Well, I I got this. You know, the the show's based on the moving in the movie my character had a half black child. And once you have half black child will be honest. We were just painted into a corner. And I see all these people either writing in there with their pens this direct quote or typing my direct, quote, not a single chuckle, and I realize, oh, this was not obvious to them that I was being funny and sarcastic they're gonna you're gonna read in Croatia. They were painted in cornered at a higher. And also the other thing, that's amazing. Once you've have like child, your pain into corner has also an amazing thing because you're like you're like, I'm also clearly making fun of you for asking question, which is thing that doesn't come off. Totally. You're like, I'm mocking you for even bring another big enough. Dick to say to you. That's a stupid question. We shouldn't have to say that they can just be in a fucking relationship without doing an episode, of course. But I'm not gonna say that. So yes, I'm trying to do with by a joke. And it's like I've had the app in a bunch of times and also my desire to make everybody feel comfortable. Like, that's a big thing. I had to face this year. When I was thinking about all these issues of sexual harassment height is that sometimes men would do things that crossed my boundaries. And I was uncomfortable with and I'd be so uncomfortable that I would like rise to meet them where they were. So it's like if someone made like a sexual joke to me, I would almost like be so scared that they were going to be in. Fairest and like I win project into their embarrassment. But like I'd be like making a sexual joke back to someone who just made my skin crawl and made me want to quit my job. And so then something you're like, I'm playing along with this thing that I don't wanna be playing along with in by the way. This is why the whole issue is about a trillion times more complicated than we're giving it credit for because there's something like that. Right. Like, so I can make a pervy joke and make a lot of pervy jokes. I like to think I know when people are up for that or not their thing. That's nice those year. I've been noticing actually on this podcast is that your pervy jokes. Are usually directed at yourself and their self effacing. Like, you're not here to make anybody else feel and I've noticed this when I've listened you're not here to like project onto anybody else's sexuality or make them feel like you're making assumptions about who they are sexually emotionally I try not to. But I I certainly fuck up by the way that you know, a moment not batting a thousand percent. But this is why I think it's so much more complicated than we recognize. We were watching. Thing. I wanna say it was sixty minutes in they were talking about the sexual harassment. That's been happening with chefs around, and they they detailed a few different examples. But one of them was I believe it was someone either managed or work that spotted pig which is one of my favorite restaurants in this manager or owner owners spotted pick on a lot of trouble. In one of the examples was he leaned over in a car and kiss this employee of his and she didn't say anything to him. So let me just I want to be very delicate about how I explain this. I was watching it. And what happened was he he went in and he kissed her in the maybe grabbed do not even sure what all happened. But when she was talking about the experience, she was paralysed. She was absolutely paralyzed. When it started happening, and what has never heard to me as a guy in which should occur to me. Because I read a great book called on killing talks about that. We think that humans have two mechanisms fight or. Flight reality ninety percent of the way animals deal with things is posture and submit we have way more hard wiring for a guy to go. Fuck you you fucking pussy. And then the guy just goes kind of blank like all right? I'm not gonna do anything. I'm not gonna say sorry Nora. I'm going to submit your posturing, I'm going to submit. That's why guys didn't fire back when soldiers were storming them shooting at them, your brain registered, that's a posture. I'm going to submit do nothing. I'm not gonna fire back or do anything. I'm just gonna go paralyze. So it's weird for me as a guy trapped in my own view and worldview, if a guy leaned over and tried to kiss me, I would go. Oh, I don't want to do that in. So I stupidly assume anyone that doesn't wanna kiss me. If I lean over will tell me, oh, I don't wanna kiss you. I'm never thinking that the person might actually feel paralyzed by my approach and give me no signals and that that could be happening. That's where it's like it's just like in. Inborn power structures where like everybody has to kind of go. Okay. This person's not gonna tell me. No. So I'm going to understand that I'm not supposed to lean over and try to kiss anyone who I have basic power over like if I'm your boss even little things. Like, if I'm a lot more wealthy than you. When you don't have a job. And you think I might help leads like if you're the service provider, and I'm the customer like there's just all kinds of dynamics in which it's even harder to assert yourself. So what you're saying is like any woman being kissed by any man might freeze up. But especially a woman who's being kissed by save the owner of the restaurants that she is then gonna have all these let's go through this person gives me my income. This person could tell other people in the business that I did something this person could hurt my career this because I still have a thing like I can make a lot of choices about my own career. I have as much power as I personally need. And if I think I've offended or pissed off or step on the toes of someone who seemingly has more power or more money or more prestige than me my first. Thought is like they're gonna take everything from me. Yeah. 'cause that's always my thought about everything if that is going to get taken from me yen weirdly think that the way out of all of this or through all of this is going to be like we're going to have to amp up our communication about a bazillion percent. Because again, what that guy did was wrong. There's no question. But also that story needs to be shared. So that us guys who only know how we would deal with that. And we're never even comprehending that some of my not say anything, we need to know that that's the thing. And we'd probably need to ask like I'd like to kiss you or whatever there's just we're going to have to amp up every quite up bar communication. And that's how I feel about. Like, I wanna amp up my communication with everybody. And unless somebody directly says to me like I don't want to talk about this. I'm gonna keep trying to about it. But what's interesting is again, you have to Lena Dunham has a huge mallet that you probably don't even know you have an. A second by second basis. Which is you have a ton of power. But I can't imagine you walk around feeling like you have a ton of power rial, so powerless. And I think some of that is just I think that there's a sense of powerlessness that comes with being a woman, especially women at this time in I mean, a woman at every time in history. But right now, we've had this regression into into like power that we thought we had is gone. But also, I think like all of our trauma gives us a sense of powerlessness. So many of us walk around feeling like the person that we were in some way on our internally feeling the person we were in some way on our worst today even on our best day. And then it's weird because I always feel like if I do realize I have power like flex it at the wrong moment or the way. Like, it's like I say, yes. And I say, yes. And I say, yes. And like I experienced this week. I was working on this movie. This Quentin Tarantino movie, I'm honored to be on it. It's an amazing experience. It's a dream. But like because of my autoimmune stuff it's hard for me to be in exposed in the sun for really long time gets my gets my. Shake going. And I know if I if that I'm gonna feel sick later. Yeah. And so there was a shot that like where I was probably in the deep background and we're out in the sun for a long time. And you know, they were being nice in everyone was being nice, and we got sunscreen, we've got umbrellas, but suddenly like, my brain starts go after a full, you know, two months of thinking I'm garbage in garbage on Mike beverage. My brands like I'm a very busy woman have seventeen jobs, but my son like this in the crowd excuse me like Sunday. It's like it never comes out at the moment that it would be useful to me. Gore's always comes out at the moment where it's like garbage bratty nece and to do anything with it would be offensive at like, not what am I gonna do storm out of the Shah? And I'm already in established in literally at this moment, or I texted my agent. And I was like listen if they're gonna have me in the deep background of the scene, we should get a double what she got. She got. And then I'm like, oh, I'm older than these other girls. I should advocate for them. Unlike and they should get doubles for the other girls, but not just entails putting more girls. Getting a mile so long getting paid and we have like umbrellas and sunscreen Maguire, am I being this way? Everything's alternately just me plotting to get back to bed, right? My whole life is a slow crawl band. Yovany to force yourself to remember him. When you first saw Pulp Fiction the first time. What limb you would have cut off to have been a part of that literally? And that's how I every single day. I would then like I would like aunt myself up. It'd be like grow your Quentin your Quentin Tarantino nothing you in a buck and Quinton. Offline a fucking Tino motherfucker deer has like the most fascinating person to watch work. So when I got to be close to that. I was but when he was like way up at you know, he doesn't have video village, which is so cool. But when he was way up at the lake top of a hill. And I was at the bottom of a hill in the deep background of a shot, you can better. And also, my friend Margaret who was in the scene with me. She was doing an impression of me. 'cause like I'd be like, hey is this the last shot and the and the like second aid? You would be like, no, we've got three more. We're gonna go. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great great. Yeah. Right. And she was like the way you're saying the meanest thing I've ever this is such a blessing. I looked at my like life the other day. I was telling my Janet who runs my company, I was like, I just took a look at sort of my ledger. My as my grandma would call my income ledger and not one thing that is like supporting my life or the lives of people that I love or my employees or the charities. I care about comes from me having to be anywhere. On anyone else's time. And that to me is the greatest blessing in the world. And that is actually something that's come to me in the last six months like like like, I was like, okay, it's gonna take a little while for the gifts of like getting off of medication and being in my life, and like the joys of it all to appear and actually there's been like an incredibly light. There's in Lincoln incredible. As I've like figured out what my next phase looks like like, it's been I've been able to make some extremely authentic choices will. And I just want to clarify because I think it could be seen as either era gate or ungrateful. But I would argue that it's incredibly healthy. Because I now look at situations where all hear what this shooting of the Leonardo movie the revenue was like I have crew members from my movie had been on that movie. And I hear about that experience. And I I now I'm of the opinion. No, I would not be willing to suffer for six months and be miserable. So that nothing I was in would be heralded his. Great. And I think it's healthy. 'cause I now recognize like, oh, that's my eagle eagle wants to be in something that everyone looked up to. But but and then of may my life miserable just to validate, my egos. So it's not healthy for me. When I think that's one of the reasons that like people like why are actor so bummed out all the time because they are have this amazing job in it's their dream. They're finally achieving their dream. But I think there's this thing that happens where it's like. You're a performer in high school in you love being in plays in it's super fun. And you put on plays with your friends, and you were hearse after school, you found a place. That's you. Then you get into the movie industry in your literally like, your body's of prop the studio tells you to lose weight, they add hair your hair, your like kinda like, you know, ruffled over Lee kinda feel like a little bit over touched and degraded and made into something. So obviously there's much harder jobs own Audra strating things. But it's like, it's not the thing that gave you all this joy. And like, I always try to have a lot of empathy like if an actors real bitch onset, and I'm not saying bitch about a woman like I mean, like a guy girl, whoever an asshole asshole someone's a fucking asshole about their seen in. They're trying to change their lines of they're asking you why they're doing something that is in many ways on this particular project, their only source of power, and we all wanna feel powerful in our lives are I think a lot of. It's just fear of giving started hundred images star a quite often. Nearly as bad as you thought. It was going to be in being a person is tiring. And it's scary. And it's scary. No matter where you are. And there's very few people in the world that I can't muster something, resembling empathy for although there's certainly a couple sure. But I've also had to realize we come into our careers thinking that as you said like I had a lot of thoughts. Like, if I could only, you know, host SNL one time and go to you know, one party where my my dress has a train. I'm never gonna feel mess. Ball host us anelle on then. And I'll be approved. I am valuable. Yeah. But my thought was always in then I can get in bed forever. Right. Right. Or the ultimate fantasy was just to to just be done. Yeah. I relate to that. And I have got a really police myself on that. Because I because when you do that or when I do that what I what I realize is. I'm forgetting that the process is so fun. And I'm looking only at the results, and then I want to do nothing, but that's a bizarre fantasy to have. Yeah. Like being productive in itself is a value and gives you self esteem, the thing that I learned joyful I ever since when I'm making something, and I don't know if people are going to like it or if they're not gonna like it or connect to it if they're not going to connect to it like what a pleasure. The thing though, that I think is helpful in this writer, Don Roose. I don't know if you know who he is. But he's a wonderful, man. I look up to him so much. But he one time told me like, you know, when you say my career that your ego when you say, my work, that's healthy. So like stop thinking about like this project is blank for my career. That's that's a story. That's like something you think's going to be evaluated. But my job is to sit down and write on a computer, something like careers, just my activity. I knew he is to drive me crazy 'cause I would say to my dad like, I'm so sick. But I have to go do this. Thing. And he's like what is half. Do. You mean? And I'm like, I'm going to be in a ton of trouble. If I don't and what has trouble mean. And I'd be like it's going to be terrible. Like, I'm not gonna be able to do the things I want to in the future, and he'd be is that true. And he would just be asking the questions, and I'd be like, you don't get it. You don't get anything. Was actually saying like there's almost nothing, and I've learned that actually one of the great gifts of being sick has been sometimes I just have to stop and listen to my body, and there's truly almost nothing like do. I regret being sick. And missing one barmitzvah. Like any daughter is not mitzvah. I would've done anything to be there. Right. The rest of it. Like, yeah. Is fine Vel with all that said the remaining thing that could get me very horny would be to be an tarintino movie that lets me is like a zero s rations left book. Fuck and af I could be in one of those ten movies. He's going to make I would love to watch him work. I would just. Yeah. So you get a call or did you audition? You got a call. Right. I had a meeting with him, and we talked and I've been a, Hugh, I love the female characters that he writes. I care a lot about his work. It's been very formative for me, I expressed that and then. I got to go to the set. And the first day I called up my friend Mary on the way home from set. And I was squealing like a kid who went to DisneyWorld. But I just couldn't believe you know, he doesn't have cell phones on his set. Really is everybody leave their cell phone in. It's not some crazy. Like, I'm afraid you're gonna leak my thing. It's like he's just like be present. He's just like being here. So everyone's doing their job. No one's like checking their fantasy football. No one's reading an e book. It's like so cool as you're traveling back to like ninety eight I couldn't believe it. And I was like everyone is so focused. I made friends I was excited. Vinnie stood for having a cellphone, did you witness that seen it? Although I did at one point ask a PI was take Brad Pitt soft away. So. Yeah, it was like, Nope. But I never saw pull it out while he's smart enough not to pull it out. He so fuck as Bayard Jesus Christ died. I mean, he's everything that you would hope that he would be I saw him once in his this morning. Actually, I don't want to brag on. I only saw him in constume the day. He wasn't in his constume. And I was like where do you even get a white t shirt? Look all thank you. Maybe he just wears everything that westall look is just so cool. And he's so nice. He's nice to everyone knew remembers. Everybody's name. Like, you're like others reason, you get to be a movie star. Yes. You're better at things in the average process. A little I've learned a really cool trick from a a camera operator a Scorpio Afrikaner. Oh, he taught me this really cool trick. Which is he had read that you learn people's names better when you need something from them if you need something from a person you will remember their name. So what he does because the camera, but here's more than anyone. They got remember like the standings name, the the the person who's just guest starring that day because he's going to have to say, Michael will you step here Stipe there. So what he does is. He hangs out at crafty in the morning, and he's just kind of sitting there with his coffee when that person comes up introduced himself, many says, oh, Michael will you hand me a sugar. He creates a task in. I need. So that he needs something from them for one moment. And that's how he doesn't. I was like, that's brilliant. I'm so bad at it. And I had to have I had the worst realization ever as like, oh, I'm so bad at names. I don't remember everyone's name, then I had to admit to myself. Oh, I know the producer's name another director's name. I know everyone above me's name. That's really good. You grappled with it and got all it's disgusting. I know everyone that's above me's name. But it kind of answered he later answer that question is I need something from those people or I want something from those behind. So then I've learned their name. But what I found is when I direct and everyone's name every person on the cruise name because again, I need stuff from them. I neon you know, the prop master to get this thing. Jeffrey Johnson one hundred percent I had an antagonistic relationship with the prop master one season as an actress or a show Senate show runner. But like, you know, when you kind of make somebody I don't know if you ever do this like the joking, but of your constant rage. And I am. Direct. I felt comfortable directing it all at this white man whose name is Glen. And I'd like to hear apologized to Glenn who didn't deserve. I wasn't like bean to him. But anytime there was a problem onset. I'd be like is on Glenn like, I was like sassy, and you know, what the root of it was one time. I was supposed to be drinking coffee in a scene, and Glenn did something really insane unforgettable. Yeah. He poured Pepsi in a Cup. And then added milk. I guess you liked didn't have coffee at that minute or at happens, which I get. But like, I was like, well, aren't you really trying to get me to take a sip of Pepsi and milk in this scene? Like, what do you think gonna happen? I'm not this good in actor Pitt. Could do it. I can't do it would derail you you didn't finish Tarantino. So you had a meeting with him. Are you loud to even you probably not say anything is or no. Or no get genres known movies about Hollywood in the late. Sixties awesome. It's amazing is the title known called once upon a time in Hollywood, okay grin. And so you have a great mandates known that I play a Manson girl. Manson. Blue is public knowledge. And there has been a photo of me, and my costume ten showing your underwear ratatouille Mandorf, Brad Pitt. And so I wear a kind of fun Linney slash crocheted kind of moot. Dress her and kind of an an a kind of big you Asli ethnic earring rings situation, and some hair extensively owns the Manson stuff is so much more interesting than I had originally known the guy wrote a really detailed book, and he was on MPR or something I heard like the fact e- like he was preparing for a race war. He's trying to instigate a race war China instigate a race war. Because what he thought was going to happen was that his people were gonna find a city under the desert go into it. When it was going to be a race war instigated by them instigated by them black people were going to win. But then lackey wouldn't be used to running the country. So in whatever number of years, it will be in shambles. And then they'd crawl out from under the desert and laid Cueva waiting game there for a minute. But they were in-depth like like we. Of them. They I think they were into paying goes where they were generally, you know, they were generally hanging out in Chatsworth. Oh in Chatsworth grey. Yeah. Which is where we've been filming. Okay. And he also unbeknownst to me is he was an aspiring musician. Right. Most desperately wanted to earn nail lable on the internet mirror. Terrible. They're not not a good singer. He's not like a hot talent that everyone's looking by. And what is and he was using those Gaels originally to sleep with record, executives and stuff. So that he would get his foot in the door. It's so weird because he had two very different messages. What was like is going to be apocalypse and race war and then side project, I need to become a popular. Hang on the whole interesting about the Manson story to me is like I feel like we have such a cultural obsession with it with him and with the girls and with what was that dynamic? But the thing I feel like we don't say, and what was interesting to me in playing this. And in researching the only part of ever like researched for right is like what it really is a story about sexual abuse is a story about sexual abuse. The wait how did he people like how did he get all those women was he so charismatic now what he did was the same thing that pimps do which is who are gonna which is zero in on women who already had an enormous amount of trauma figure out how to make them feel temporarily special then dominate them in exactly the way that they were used to being dominated. So it was like a retraumatize Asian and perpetuation of their sexual shame and fear and humiliation and mixed with probably Stockholm syndrome. That's part of a two, right? I'm one hundred percent. Sure. And now there's like women who have spoken about it since. And what the experience? Is like, but like, you know, I think we all like to think like oh my God. These people are crazy. But we don't like to think is like a lot of us. Yeah. Because of our different shit would be. I mean, I've had a few kind of like experiences where I've like gotten a little too into like, you know, an LA health guru or whatever and then suddenly gone link own now like it's just yeah. Oh, my God, my friend Russell took a picture of me the other day wearing multiple layers of rust colored clothing than did a more better between Sheila, I I felt really cool. I'm obsessed in so in love with Ma non Sheila, she's my number one. She's your hall pass Falk in a I told Monica I get a time machine making two stops her grandma when she was eighteen sexiest woman I've ever seen in my life. L Monica's mad grandma is the hottest woman that's ever walked planet or oh my God. She's she is a smoke show. Holy shit. You're going to stop it Monica's, grandma, then straight Tamang on when she's billed net city. What a powerful lady she. I know we'll she would. Good to win. She fuck you up in shack. And then she says you out the whole ride. I'd be of love it. It'd be so sorry feel so and also because you're like a person with a lot of energy and intensity. Like, it'd be nice to free almost you just be shut down. My she'll love it's like those like those powerful businessmen who are submissive and they go get their asses. Heaven heaven heaven. Yeah. Like, just check all my alpha bullshit at the door on March me around for me up and down the flagpole die for it. So when you when you actually you got a call and said, you're in this movie when I found out I was really really really excited. And then I went for a costume fitting. I went for another costume fitting. I kept thinking like something was going to happen at every phase right where they were. The clerical mistake would be noticed. Andrea percent. You're gonna get fired after the first. After my first shot. I was like that probably isn't what they wanted. So today this morning before I came here when I wrapped and they said that's a wrap on Lena Dunham, like even though everyone was so nice. There was a part of me that was like it are they like okay now if figure out how to how to Pat her out. Amazing. You you still feel like you're going to get fired on the first day or cut like that net. Never goes away ever goes. Brad Pitt's insecure. And some of those this movie, I promise I mean, he has an he's so good at acting. Cool Brad Pitt's so good at doing cool stuff. Did you see him with his shirt off at all? Did you know, but I had this thing which is like sometimes when there's someone who's very like traditionally attractive, technically attractive, although I think red has radical him has something more transcends, his he transcends his good looks and redefines them, but it's almost like I have a more paternal feeling towards him wanting to care for him and wanting to to put him back inside my mum, but might sexual this is Monica 's thing too. I haven't I have at the army ring sexual sexuality proclivity fantasy so cool. Yeah. And I think you know, what my diagnosed in Monica as is you've figured out a way to make yourself essential to the person. And like everyone else is offering this. But I've got this Mitch thing I can do that's gonna make me special in their eyes. And they're gonna know that they can't get this with anybody else. My thing is like I'll be his only date that can his motorcycle breaks. He can rise safely on the back of mind. One hundred percent. How this very few people he could trust. Now. He wouldn't be on the back of a motorcycle with. He's got children. He knows that ride your motorcycle a lot. Yup. Yup. Nonstop. So you'll ride gets your way of getting places. I say it's my superpower couple days ago. We were all on a plane together leaving Toronto we get off the plane. He has his motorcycle or like by I step into Uber line. And I got a text from him home. Spiegel's Scott Elliott man yet. It's a superpower feel like teleport places because of the motorcycle does Belva ride on the back. She's not scared. She has the weirdest thing. She could give a shit. I took her. There's this racetrack in Germany, call the Nurburgring, and it's the longest race track in the world. It's a seventeen mile lap. I rent this Porsche from APIs rental car. You're not supposed to take it on the track. Do anyways the backstretch were going hundred ninety five miles an hour. I look over at her. She's like thumbing through a magazine ish does even look up to see that. We're doing. Thing. It's like it's not like she's game. She just doesn't care. Oh, yeah. Okay. So yeah, it's a pretty gangster of her. She's really gangs. You guys have been ten or eleven years now so impressive. So you guys got together. You were you were like thirty two or something. Great fast, man. My age my age, I was thirty two. She was twenty seven. And here's the question. How would ruin you got sober twenty nine twenty nights? You had a couple of twenty nine C would like three years under your belt of good, solid work. Yes. And we're like a much different version of me than other people who are entering into the relationship from thoughtful place. Yes. And not just the sobriety. But also, recognizing my sex addiction, and my love addiction, and all these kind of things that are all external things to regulate. My internal emotion hundred percent. I love you. I'm so flattered you came to see you. I really am when I reached out to you. I was like I can't believe she saying. Yeah, I love you. And I also shared a lot in this situation that I'd have. Shared in other places in it felt really some as you gotta go with your gut and it felt really right safe. Thoughtful understanding yet you urge people to be better. Oh, well, thank you. So I wish everyone could see his overall he is Katie. And now my favorite part of the show. The back check with my soul mate. Monica Padma n-. Gee was bland it by the facts read, the lag deuce new the runner, and that blonded by the facts Shionogi gonna fund the truth. She gonna make it through. Again. The the end is not there beginning is they're getting is definitely there. It's a rive. And sometimes you're going to settle for the beginning. Yeah. That's the thing that the the last teen minutes, you, no kidding. It's fine. It's day was coming right. What we jobs. Yes. I'm pretty dependable. Pretty dependable fifty five zones in whatever for on this on this show on the show. I'm pretty dependable not today. You know, we were wondering when I'd have one of those days where I could just barely do this on the day that we need to really barrel because to give you a little peek behind the curtain or leave in Krakow asks in the morning. The sand dune save a place place on planet earth in there. So much to do and I was out of town yesterday and this morning and now there's three vehicles at need fuel. There's a lot of stuff. I gotta make a lot of spaghetti. What do you gotta do? And I got a pack that much to pack. What am I what should I pack packing mckanie? No, okay. Pasties no mega J A ninety. No. Is it going to be cold? They're very warm. It is gonna be about ninety in the daytime sixty seven at night yet can be hot a Shia. So don't bring snowsuit moon boots. Although bring moon boots has virtually what clogs are gloves. We wear eggs out there in the dunes says a nice wide footprint in it helps keep you on top of the sand. I don't wear unfortunately, why not I wear so embarrassing. I can't even talk you're saying glasses at night. No. I heard that song other day. Did you get so excited? Oh, wonderful. I don't have a I have age Naric version. Unlike Ukel trusted brand from high school. Oh my goodness. They're very old yet because I don't wear and life trust him into what a high quality product is that the rubber has disintegrated. Not if you're right. That's the best way. But I don't wear them. Only were the last of the sand is warm high school shar. Yeah. Even then it was sad. It's sad. It was a rip off of the thing. That was my whole life. I hear you. That's why I have things that are not rip off versions. Now's right. Because you really want him as a kid. You didn't get him. He actually goes back fact jagged again, she's run in round in round you go back. Check do it again that steely, Dan, you know, I love barely nine. Okay. So you talk about rusty's speech, that's Paul rust. That's right. Paul Russ star of love star of love, which we love. Yeah. We watched the first season, Paul Rosser, so cute. Oh, he so cute like him so much unique. He is. And he comes from the UC beep. And he wrote a very nice speech that made you feel all teary really did man. He was talking about Leslie made them feel cool. That's. It's really nice amoral part of their speech publicly. Being super complementary because you're also not like verbatim. You're just saying why the full speech went you made me feel so cool. Because normally I don't feel cool because I don't have any testicles. Oh, tail do you think I'm saying anything he would object to? He doesn't care people know his Tanel people pretty much already know that about him. Okay. Good K another person that we don't give last. We don't give Flonase Jemima Jemima Kirk gray from girls. That's right. She's from girl. She's from girl. She's from tiny furniture. She's from narcotic family share. I wanna get down to the beginning of all people knew it was Jemima Kirk. But just in K, if you wanna look her up, she so pretty big round is I generally like there was a conversation about how to love somebody like giving them what they need versus what you you are expecting, you know, Matt of love or what you need out of love might not coincide with what they need. We talked about that. And then that made me think of the love languages, and then I wonder did we already talk about love languages before. And who's a matter? I know that can recycle here. We can I've needed to hear many concepts multiple times before I got them that this is one that so abstract that requires repeating we can't set an expectation for selves that were never gonna everything as can be new on her will die will die then ourselves. No, don't I might love languages languages five of them. Do you know what they are gift-giving sane love you or affirmations formation linking people food acts of service of translated all of these in disarming L. That's so funny. Okay. Have done three of the five. I don't think I have the other two. I don't even know that I had the first three. But well, I think you kind of are one of the ones you haven't said one of maybe dying. Lover physical touch. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And is that is one and quality time is the fifth. So what do you think you are? What do you think you give sometimes at the same? I mean, again, probably wrong. I think physical touch and quality time or things that I value very highly try to you know, I think you'll when you come into the house. I don't just go like high and my walk past you. I stop what I'm doing. And look at you. And I say how are you doing what's going on? Yeah. If we're going to interact. I wanted to be present and quality. Yeah. Yeah. So I think that's one always groping you too. As you would tossed off the same time. It's like how are you all through until VO? Tune in Tokyo. No. I don't know what any tune in Tokyo ally. No. Because you just did a hand gesture, but I've never heard them. John Hughes movie sixteen candles. I think there's something about they wanna play. Tune in Tokyo, it's like high school kids, and they wanna like and people. Yeah, I'm putting both hands in front of me with my fingers, splayed twisty my hands like twisting knobs on a radio to tune in Tokyo's like operating a ham radio. That's what the young boys wanted to do to set it breasts onto tune in Tokyo. Yeah. Wow. Never tuned in her tone. You know, we'll be clear reach Tokyo. Oh, I wasn't finished talking about that love languages languages. We got really distracted by physical touch one ears gift-giving. Yeah. Forgiving though, not really receiving don't like for you in order to feel loved you. Don't need to be receiving thoughtful gifts now, but mom gives you thoughtful gifts all the time when she does. How does that few? Kristen. Oh, my mom, your mom. Mom, your mom. Your mom. Not your mom when my mom gives me, the generally crazy thought gifts, I love it yet. You feel super loved I two I do feel like someone's hearing me try. Yeah. Paying attention to our you know, it's weird. Like, I think maybe it's because I'm good at that that when somebody else's good at it too through it. No, I says nothing deceit there. It's all wonderful. And it is so thoughtful a nice, but I'm not like, I don't I don't think I feel it in the same way. So I agree with you in that. I'm not a crazy thoughtful gift giver? So then when I receive a gift that was crazy thoughtful, you've given me some Christmas giving me some it's extra powerful because it's it's outta my skills stack this person really did something I can't even do for me. Eggs actly. Yeah. Yeah. I also not unlike when I tune in your Tokyo. I can't tune in Tokyo hope y'all on here. Yeah. I give gifts for sure. And I think I need. All of them all of them. Okay. But now, I think I need really hard. I really do kind of feel like I like all I need all of them. I mean, everyone needs all of them. That's why they're there. But it's like, what do you respond to the most you know, what I don't really need acts of service. Well, that's a bummer 'cause that's merrily homes in you that love you is. I'm not going. Well, no, yes. Well, it's one in with the truck to pick out a bed. I know I love that. I want that. And then I go to the best buy and pick out a TV was actually, Costco. But a Costco, pick out some TV's with you put him up in your house. Actually, I'm wrong. I do love that. I do need it. I I do all the loves. Yeah. Anyway, I just think I think it's interesting because I think other people are better at diagnosing, sometimes better at diagnosing your stuff than you. Oh, I think most of the time they are. But also, I think the I think the most important thing about the love language thought process isn't to say like what you do or don't love or whatever. But it's more importantly to go like, oh, this is something I value ton. So then when the person doesn't do it back to me, I'm assuming they have the same right wine would so I'm assuming they don't love me in you, probably missing some other way, they're demonstrating their love for you. But it's not the one that you give. So you kinda miss it. Yeah. I mean, that's that's like half. Right. And then the other half is. So what is the thing that they respond to an I can try to be better about giving that. Yup. Yup. Absolutely. Okay. I don't want Chris to stop giving gifts. Okay. 'cause I. I really like those won't you like that. We talk a lot about mental health on this episode of Wadi lot too much now. Okay. Good amount. You allots? Was it was it was a lot. It was. But in a great is great. It's good to talk about it. And that's what we talk about. Always. But I remembered when I was listening back I remembered one time, I was listening to this panel of the mad men cast one of the actors on there is French. I wanna say he's European and he don't know how they on the subject, but they started talking about happiness, and he was like Americans are so obsessed with happiness as a destination my paraphrasing better happiness as a destination and the French. I think it was the French don't see it like that. They see happiness as like n another emotion, that's transient that you come in and out of and it's in so you there's a lot less depression because depression comes from not achieving this permanent level of happiness on Maddox PEC patients xactly, but really that's not no one can do that. It's not. Permanent. Stay leading feeling. Exactly. You're right. I find myself striving for all happiness. Yeah. Yeah. I the best you can strive for his content nece Neapolis sustainable, the Neo little peaks of happiness little valleys of sadness. Fujii's over there in Tokyo. Tune in see what they're saying. You know? Yeah. Yeah. And it all informs the other sadness informs happiness number one time. I told you I'm not afraid to be sad. I told you that. I don't know if it's still true. But she's in this new movie Manson's, so interesting. Oh, the Quentin Tarantino film once upon a time in Hollywood. That's what it's called for Natalie would now who knows his tend to stick as true. He has titles. Literally the best titles of any writer ever get ones. I wanna see I'm so obsessed with the Manson murders. Really? Yeah. Which is kind of a cliche like everyone's obsessive. They're like the most really I'm so into Disneyland. I'm so into talk let so strange. It's so rare the worst thing about me. But when I get a huge paycheck. I'm like love it feels good. I don't know why. But I love a huge when I say this. But okay. Yeah. But anyway, so it's interesting to me is interesting to you, the Manson's incredibly. Yeah. What fascinates me about is the is the primate aspect like the power of the group the power of a leader of the power of status. The power of all these things that kind of bring often on here and see it at its zenith where it's like, you actually convince people to go murder other people because of your mindset point of view and the tools used to become that cult of personality. It's so interesting that we as an animal are susceptible to that. And even people that would imagine they're not would probably be shocked, you know, like Stockholm syndrome. That's fascinating to me that you start sympathizing with your captors and all these different things that are. I think are all weird vessel group animal. Yeah behaviors. Yeah. I know I always always surprised when people are so indignant to end a judgmental about people who get like, quote, unquote, sucked into these colts. Because I'm like, I think everyone is capable of being sucked in yet. Yeah. I think I really am. Woah, Jim, certainly, there's probably a spectrum of how susceptible people are. Yeah. But, but then you have to you have to imagine circumstance. So you have to go like okay now, imagine me on my worst day feeling. The worst about myself in the most directionless I've ever seen. Then I meet one of the most charismatic people of all time happens to coincide with that. And then the sky's the limit. Well, that's I think it's just it's it's whatever, they're whatever. Vulnerability that particular cult is preying on. You know, you get you are more or less susceptible, but they happen all over the place. Absolutely their on air in plain sight. Raj nations were on some level. Very I mean, they were in a coal. Pretty cool call, but regardless it was a Colt. Yeah. Yeah. Do you think you've ever been under the power of somebody? Yeah. You do you don't say that. I hate when I know you don't like save at. So you should you hate it. I thought you didn't use that word. Yeah. One time dachshund I use the word hate all the time. And I haven't said since. Which goes to show that I'm in your call. No, I don't I don't like it. How about that? I don't like. No. Which is so funny that you get like really weirded out by that. Do do is it because you have this podcast. And you get nervous that you really are doing that. No. If it would make your liking me disingenuous. It would mean the thing that we share is mind control and cults first and not just like a genuine friendship. I don't think that's true. I don't think I'm in your call that see some days, I do someday. I don't think I'm in your call disagree with the cult leader quite a bit. I wouldn't call very very outspoken if you really measured like there's an outsider or computer program that was monitoring our conversations the vast majority of Marv disagreements I never that. I keep coming back. I keep going Zoot who's coming back. That's true. Okay. So there's four says five tricks to being better at names. Remembering name Forbes does. Yeah. Great. I four citing. I probably be that we talked about earlier. Yeah. Okay. One meat, and repeat that's an obvious one. Sure mean repeat to spell it out. Oh, does it. I o n o c o a. Sell it out three associate so Joan from jersey. Ooh, little alliteration. I think Anthony does this all the time Monica from make. But you're not from George doesn't have to be factual. But it's better if it is and you can remember two things something about them and their name, right? Yeah. In anthony. Does this all the time? All the time. He always has like a qualifier before the name know, what mine is canasta. I'm okay. I'll report back. I don't think he probably has one for you. Because he probably didn't have a hard time learning your name because it's so unique. Yeah. Okay. For because I'm a co leader. Oh, you said it not me. Okay. Number four make connections. So another way association can be helpless to make a connection between the person you're talking to end someone else. You know, what the same name? I try this all the time. Yes. Because there's a lot of dudes that float in and out of my meaning. Yeah. Then they'll be sitting there on the couch and I'm staring at their face on a Mike. What friend did I connect them to? They don't look like anyone. I know. It's always the weird that is hard. Yeah. More frustrated train. Remember the person? I connected them to then. I would just be. Yeah. Backfire sometime K, but in my work for other people. Okay. And five is really. I mean, this is what all boils down to choose to care. I don't buy that one. I do you can make yourself care. Well, I mean can you make yourself care? Well, what happens for me? I find the reason I'm not good at it. Because I'm good at remembering I'm not good at hearing it the first time because I. I'm too in my head during the introduction that I don't hear their name. And then I won't ask again. Right. I feel too ashamed ashamed. Yep. To save. What was your name again? Oh, I can't do it. So then I just never know. I'm surprised the thing I brought up was in there because I just in my own experience. I would have said I was incapable of learning a hundred people's names a month. But when I was directing and I needed something from every person. Boy, I've never had easier time. Yeah. What blows me away his teachers? They don't need shit from those kids, and I'll walk in these classrooms day to in these teachers know all the kids names, I'm blown away. 'cause if no status thing there, you can't do anything for them other than I guess they got to get them to behave. Hey, fuck, whatever with red hair. All whatever. Your name is great great t shirt stubby glue may because you do need to you need you need to Carl on them. So you do also there's a repetition and you get used rather. Also all sitting in the exact same spot every day. So the visual you hope that's true. They can they can pull. Yeah. That's it that we also talked put the Nuremberg ring been there really put who cares hairs. That's all. Yeah. That's all. Okay. Great while I love you. And I can't wait to hit the road with you tomorrow knee. Either will get to listen to some podcasts. That's my favorite part about driving to the dunes. Is we get to see what else is going on fun? Yeah. All right. Love you.

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Antitrust 3: Big Tech

Planet Money

24:33 min | 1 year ago

Antitrust 3: Big Tech

"This message comes from NPR sponsor Comcast. Comcast values your time. That's why you can schedule to our appointment windows, including nights and weekends that way. You can spend more time doing what you love. Comcast working to make things. Simple easy. And awesome. Today's show is part three of what I have been calling the planet money antitrust trilogy. The show we much better. If you go back and listen to the first two episodes. If you do not here is the text that scrolls on the screen at the beginning of the movie. United States government used to us antitrust law a lot to protect small companies against big companies in the name of competition. Then there was a backlash led by judge named Robert Bork. He wrote a book called the antitrust paradox. That argued antitrust enforcement had gotten out of hand and the government needed to back off now in the past couple of years as a few tech companies have gotten very big and very powerful a backlash to the backlash has begun. My name is Lena Khan, and I'm an academic fellow Columbia law school in a senior fellow at the open markets institute. And you're a lawyer I'm a lawyer when Lena Khan was in law school two years ago. She wrote a paper for the law review. What was the title of the paper Amazon's antitrust paradox an allusion to that Bork book the antitrust paradox? Why did you choose that title? I was interested in exploring how Bork's approached antitrust had enabled Amazon's rise and the paradise. Talks with Amazon seemed to me that here we had a company that was amassing dominance in various markets. But our current approach to antitrust law was really keeping us blind. So that dominance, and so that to me seemed like an interesting tension or current approach to antitrust law. Bork's approach is known as consumer welfare, and the basic idea is low prices and lots of choices are good. If consumers are getting these things, then there's no antitrust problem and clearly Amazon has delivered low prices and lots of choices. So it hasn't run into much trouble with antitrust law in the United States, and yet Lena argued in this paper, there are things that Amazon has done that have been bad for competition. So her wonky article comes out, she hears from a few antitrust lawyers. Then her article gets mentioned in the New York Times that spurred kind of a new wave of interest. And so I just started receiving more and more emails somewhat modest about this, which I respect that. Tremendous amount. Even though it's not good for our story. What she is not saying is that this student law review article completely blew up. I mean, I know you didn't go on Ellen or whatever. But we're did you go. I got big. We know it got big Lena. Con learn that the rise of a few giant tech companies had made this very wonky thing antitrust policy, suddenly feel urgent and important to lots of ordinary people. Is it bad? These companies are so big are they assigned that the free market is failing us and competition is disappearing. Do we need to think about antitrust in a new way congressman wanted to meet with her the Washington Post in the Atlantic wanted to profiler CNBC NPR, and she joins me now to talk about how antitrust law handles Amazon. Lena, thank you for being with us. Good to be here. Let me first say Amazon is among NPR's corporate sponsors, right? We're going to have to talk about that. Hello and welcome to planet money. I'm Jacob Goldstein. I'm Kenny Malone today on the show, Amazon one of our corporate sponsors and Facebook, also corporate sponsor and Google. I think a corporate sponsor Nata corporates. Oh, okay. But all of this is kind of the point these three companies are suddenly everywhere, they have an incredible amount of money and power and Lena is part of this new wave of thinkers who are starting to say, maybe the rise of these giant tech companies is a sign that antitrust is broken, and we need to fix it. Support for this podcast and the following message. Come from work human the conference for HR and business leaders pioneered by global force accredited by Sherm HR, P A H RCI AT D And world at work work human brings together. Visionaries thought leaders and activists like George Clooney viola Davis Brunei Brown and Gena Davis to share the latest research and ideas about the most compelling workplace issues. Visit work human dot com. To learn more the world is complicated. And for many of us history class was a long time ago. That's where we come in. I'm rundown on rom Arab Bluey, and we're the host through line NPR's new history podcast every week. We'll dig into forgotten stories from the moments that shaped our world rely history. Like you've never heard it before. So the question for today's show is what if anything should we do about the big tech firms. I mean, actually that's a ridiculously large question. There's no way we could do that in a show. I mean, we're going to do a subset of that question. Right. We're going to focus specifically on competition and the free market and the role of the government we're going to focus on antitrust. So the question really is. Should we be using antitrust law in some way with respect to these big tech companies and the way we're going to do this? We're going to talk to two very smart people lawyers whose job is to answer questions like these. And we're going to ask them to big questions. One. Are we thinking about antitrust the right way, does this consumer welfare standards, still work and question to if you had all the antitrust power in the world. What would you do first up? Lena con-? Do you wanna title, we're gonna make you the ruler of antitrust in America? That's kind of antithetical to the spirit. Of antitrust. So you are you sort of respectfully declining. Wait a minute. I'm happy to play along with the. Is there a reason in particular to focus on big technology firms? So the reason I've been focusing on big technology companies is because I think some of the blind spots of the current antitrust approach are most significant in the context of these tech companies in part because in many instances, they're offering products or services that are nominally free. Right. We're paying data. And so that complicates how anti-trust looks at these issues think of Google and Facebook, you don't have to pay money to use those services. So the current antitrust approach consumer welfare standard, which focuses largely on price just isn't gonna work. Very well. Also, she says, there's just this fundamental nature of a few key tech sectors. They just tend to be winner-take-all. Everybody's gonna tend to end up using one search engine one social network everybody who wants to buy or sell online is going to wind up at the one online store with the most buyers and sellers. Can we talk about specific companies? Okay. What should we do about Amazon? Why think I we need to have investigations into Amazon's conduct. We have a very meager understanding of how the different parts of its businesses actually interlink and how it potentially uses data collected in Warren market to advantage itself in another market, and that sort of thing. And so I think as a first step more investigations more hearings just to understand what's happening. And that should then help inform what we should do. What about as a second step? Written about gangs that are way more interesting frankly than investigations. Yeah. I mean, I think one problem that I've been focused on is the potential conflict of interest that seems baked into some of these companies current businesses, it was talking about Amazon, Amazon is many things, but the main thing most people think of when they think of Amazon is this marketplace a store where anybody who wants to can sell almost anything they want to millions and millions of potential customers in the jargon. This marketplace is a platform, and what we wound up mostly talking to lean economy about is what does it mean for competition when one company winds up controlling such a huge platform. I mean, what's unique about platforms is that platforms end up dramatically, reducing the cost of entry for all the third parties. And what that means is platforms can be really good for competition. Because now there's this place where every. In America who wants to buy say batteries is going to go to buy their batteries. So if I want to get into the battery selling business that is great for me. Of course, I have to compete against all the other battery brands out there, not only Duracell and energizer, but also Amazon's own private-label batteries Amazon basics batteries, Amazon has built out pretty extensive private label. It has at least one hundred and twenty different labels where it's now actually producing Amazon based goods now, you could argue and a lot of people do that these Amazon store. Brands are good for competition. Amazon is one more competitor in the market, but Khan argues in the long run Amazon selling Amazon brand stuff on Amazon, maybe bad for competition. So that I think can create a conflict of interest in so far as Amazon owns the platform. It runs the platform decides who comes up where in the search rankings, but it's also competing with all the merchants that are now dependent on the. Form. So this problem. I mean, this seems like a fundamental like Storebrand problem, right? Like, they're, you know, whatever WalMart is a bigger retailer than Amazon they have store brands, and they can, you know, put the Purina dog food on the bottom shelf and the old boy or whatever their house dog food is on the top shelf. And you could imagine the same problem there. Right. Giant retailer with all this power. Just says, oh, look what selling in our store. We're going to have a store brand is that a similar competitive problem. I think you have to really look at the degree to which the retailer or the distributor is playing a bottleneck role in a sector so with retailers. It's absolutely true that they have private labels, generally speaking, there's much more competition in the retail industry than there is in online commerce. And so I think that means that the stakes of discrimination are quite different. So you're saying I could shop at WalMart or I could shop at Kroger I could shop at Costco. It's that level of competition that you competition. There's also the issue of how risk gets assigned the issue of who is taking the risk here. The company developing a new product or the company running the store where the product is going to be sold. So let's say Jacob that you, and I decide to go into business. You're going to sell hats for dogs million dollar idea. The way a lot of traditional stores work is they buy the dog hats from us in bulk. Yes. And. If the dog had sit on the shelves and don't sell that's not really our problem. At least not in the short run, the retail store paid us money for our hats. We have the money to store took the risk that the hats might not sell Amazon does not work that way. Amazon is not going to buy the dog hats from us. We can post our dog hats for sale on Amazon. And if they don't sell we go out of business, and it did not cost Amazon anything if the dog had to do sell, then we pay Amazon chunk of our revenue, and if our dog had sell like crazy, if the world's suddenly goes bananas for dog hats, then Amazon is free to start selling their own line of dog hats Amazon basics dog cats their merchants that bring all sorts of niche products. Right. That are not guaranteed to sell their. It's these third parties that are undertaking. The original risk to invest in a product. And see, hey is this going to succeed? What's troubling? Is that in some instances when a product does start doing well? Amazon observes it, and then takes that idea produces itself knocks out the third party from the top search listings, and so suddenly, you know, it's Amazon that's reaping the reward of the risk that somebody else took than what would you expect the sort of long term consequence would be I think the long term consequence will be third. Parties will be more reluctant to invest in products to take risks to bring them to market the idea being that even if this product succeeds there's a good chance that Amazon will appreciate the value of that reward. And they'll just be left hanging. In other words, if Amazon's just going to wait and see if our dog had cell, and if they do sell it's gonna start selling Amazon basics dog hats. Why should we get into the dog had business in the first place? Con- argues that lots of people will think why should I even start selling anything online? If I'm just going to end up losing to Amazon and in the long run. She says this will mean less competition, you presented this as a problem or is Patel. Problem. What's the solution? I think once Aleutian is separating the marketplace for Amazon to private label. I think if you're going to be a dominant marketplace, then you perhaps June be able to also sell on that marketplace putting yourself in direct competition. We'll all the merchants that are dependent. I mean, I think that relationship of dependence is really want to drive home here. So you're saying that. That you would say to Amazon you can either sell Amazon stuff or you can be a marketplace for all these third party sellers. But you are not allowed to do both. That's right. That's that's a big one. It's a big one not just because it would mean the government intervening in a big way in this giant business. Although obviously that is big it's a big one. Because really we haven't seen antitrust enforcement on this scale in this country for decades. And by the way, we did reach out to Amazon and a spokesperson argued Amazon making its own products means lower prices, better products and more competition. He also noted that private label is a relatively tiny part of Amazon's business after the break. We talked to our second emperor. And he tells us what he would do about Facebook. Support for this podcast and the following message. Come from wicks dot com with wicks, you can create your very own professional website, -chusetts you love and customize it with your own text, images and videos, go to wicks dot com. That's W I X dot com slash money to get ten percent off. It's Oscar season. And we don't want you to show up on the red carpet on prepared. That's why pop culture happy hour is here to help you sort through the nominees and separate the best from the rest. Listen now, and we might even help you dominate your Oscars pool. The second person. We're going to talk to today is Scott hemp hill. He's an NYU law. Professor. He's teaching right now. An antitrust course called big tech and standard oil perfect for the series that we're working on. And he did want us to mention that. He's done some consulting work for a firm that has concerns about Amazon's conduct Hempel has worked in antitrust for a long time. And for most of that time most people were just not very interested in talking about antitrust. Was there a moment that you you realized other people were perking up and paying attention when it played a role in the last presidential campaign on those sides. It was a it was a plank in the democratic platform. And then candidate Trump from time to time raised concerns about a possible targets ran I trust intervention. Was it like exciting. Sure. It was exciting is exciting. So like, what's it like working in? You know, being an antitrust expert now having this beater field at this. It's cool that people are excited about these. Shoes. Is there a but there? Will you worry that? We'll get it wrong. That will get too excited that will pass a new law that does more harm than good that people will have unrealistic expectations for what antitrust is about. And what it can accomplish Scott ham pill describes his antitrust views as middle of the road. He doesn't think the system needs to change as much as Lena con thinks the system needs to change. Here's one difference between the two of them con- thinks the consumer welfare standard just fundamentally can't work anymore pill thinks it can remember consumer welfare is a lot about prices, but companies like Google and Facebook give their product away to people for free. So it seems like under the consumer welfare standard. It would be really hard to know what to do about these companies. But so we say consumer welfare antitrust is a shorthand for situations where sometimes we don't mean consumers in the sense of individuals consumers can also include companies that by stuff like say companies that buy ads on Google and Facebook and Google and Facebook used there. Market power to Jack bad prices that can be a violation of antitrust law under the consumer welfare standard Scott ham pill, says generally we are thinking about antitrust in the right way. We don't need to rethink the goal of antitrust. But he is still worried about big tech companies and competition remake you emperor of antitrust. Now today, what would you do two major things? Oh, one is can I just want to point out as soon as you were anointed emperor? You folded your arms in a very sort of global fish good. I thought power it'd be helpful answering this question Scott one place to go is to investigate. Now. This may seem like small stuff. Of course, we want to investigate pretty weak. So I'm warming up here. The main thing I'd want to do is to take a hard. Look at tech mergers that have already been consummated where there may have been an anticompetitive problem at the time. So the big idea for Scott him pill is mergers. That is the thing that worries him when he thinks about big tech an antitrust. And specifically what are some of those mergers? So the the the one that jumps out to me is Facebook Instagram in two thousand and twelve Facebook bought Instagram for one billion dollars and hemp he'll says as antitrust emperor. He would try to figure out why Facebook did that. And the why he says is important because mergers are not inherently an antitrust problem. He says sometimes there's a totally legit reason for two firms to merge. A classic reason for mergers is if you think one firm can help successfully grow promote develop the technology of the other so Facebook already has all this data, and it has a great ad sales team or whatever things that will really benefit Instagram so Instagram is just going to be a more efficient business. It's going to grow better. That's going to be good for everybody. That's the good news. Happy story. Sure. And you know, it might be right. Also, it might be. The wrong the Facebook Instagram merger might be a bad news. Sad story. Here's how that story goes companies already big. And then it starts getting bigger and bigger by buying up other companies that is a sign that maybe the company is trying to suppress competition, you know to just buy up its rival. So it doesn't have to compete that is obviously bad for competition. Hempel says as antitrust emperor. He would try to figure out what Facebook was thinking here. Why did it wanna buy Instagram? Good news. Happy story or bad news set story, by the way, I just wanna bring Lena comeback for like one second here because she also mentioned the Facebook Instagram merger as a potential antitrust problem. And she had this really interesting reason why it was bad for competition. Well, let's just think about a real example, which is as revelations about Facebook's lacks privacy, insecurity protocols have been coming clear. You've heard more people say, I'm quitting Facebook. I'm just closing this down. At least I have my. Instagram. Right. I think privacy is one good example of a dimension on which consumers should be able to choose and having more competition could provide that so this Facebook Instagram merger is one place where Lena Khan, and Scott Hempel are pretty close on what they think we should do it. What I'm saying? Is that a transaction motivated at the time by avoidance of competition is a good candidate for divestiture after the fact wait he's that middle of the road. Consumer welfare is fine. Antitrust emperor Scott hemp pill saying after an investigation, depending on the findings the government should maybe break up one of the biggest companies in the world. That's what I'm that's what I'm thinking about. Yes. Okay. Okay. Okay. Great. You're about to not be the emperor anymore. You have any last wishes. No, no. It's a it's a heavy responsibility to be heavy as. The head. We did talk to people at Facebook about this whole Instagram thing. And they made the case that both Facebook and Instagram benefited from the merger. They pointed out that Instagram had infrastructure problems in just about thirty million users when they acquired the company six years later, there are one billion users. They also noted that quote, relevant regulators saw no reason to stop the merger. So we talked about Amazon with Lena Khan and Facebook with Scott ham pill now, let's talk about Google for just a minute. Google is ABI one. We did a whole episode a couple years ago about Google an antitrust still online to find it just Google Google is big is that bad. That was the headline since then there's been more antitrust news about Google specifically a case in the European Union that focused on Android on Google's operating system for smartphones. Which is by far the most popular mobile operating system in the world. Google had told phone makers if you want to use Android, you also have to pre install. The Google search app and Google's chrome browser on your phones. The EU looked into this. And last year issued a decision quote, Google has used Android as a vehicle to cement, the dominance of its search, engine dot dot dot. They have denied European consumers the benefits of affective competition in the important mobile sphere. The European Union found this illegal under its antitrust rules and find Google five billion dollars Google said. In a statement afterwards, quote, Android has created more choice for everyone not less. The company is appealing the ruling. So okay. We have done these three shows on on antitrust. And the first two were these historical moments. When we went through really big changes as a country in the way, we think about, you know, the free market and big business and competition and the role of the government. And now, you know this episode we have the the present moment, the rise of the tech giant's and. And you know, the ending question has to be is this another moment when we need to once again sort of stop and rethink the way antitrust works Scott him pill, pretty middle of the road. Antitrust lawyer says no maybe we could enforce the current rules better. But the Ruth themselves the worldview is basically working and then there's Lena con. She is part of this other group of thinkers who were saying antitrust is broken. You know, what the tech giants have shown us is. There are these fundamental problems with competition that the current antitrust worldview just is not detecting, and she's saying the government really needs to go back to that pre Robert Bork era in needs to intervene. More often in the free market in order to make free market competition work. This. We know we didn't talk about monopoly Email us at planet money at NPR dot org. You can also find us on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram at planet money. 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572: Supergirl S4E22 Review: "The Quest for Peace"

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572: Supergirl S4E22 Review: "The Quest for Peace"

"Thank. Welcome to the super super cast a part of the incomparable network of podcasts. I'm Tricia Mattson. And I'm David Chubb. This is the fans of Lena support group. Right. This is yes. So right today, we are talking about the season, four episode twenty two finale season finale, I'm not serious finale yet, the quest for peace. And so why don't you just dive into the recap David? Here's the deleted recap for Lhasa Assad. Lex is charging his Lexus suit with condensed aliens, gross. And we see lex defeating the cabins taking down supergirl or read and being pardoned at hired by worst of a president. Luckily read is alive and feeling betrayed. And in this episode. John dreamer are in the alien processing plant, they pull off the jail, right distraction. Gambit way, better than their work Wookey gambit after they shut down Shelley island's power dampening, dreamer tells the others where they are Kara releases a news article that solves all of the bigoted woes of America, lex host family in the Oval Office, where he quotes hit. Cler discussed Lena, and Lillian tries to poison him a normal Luther family. Get together as lex tries to destroy Argo dreamer John and a properly aligned brainy overload, his alien powered battery. Well, brainy confesses his love to NIA Ben is popping, lots of how're no cured of supersonic. Alex helps James take bend down and the Hera L is extracted from boom, lex and supergirl, had a big fight that make zero sense. Read sacrifices herself and puffs into a how're Nell cloud. Supergirl is pumped up and takes lex down. Lex thinks he's escaped only to be held by Lena, who, then does the right thing by shooting him dead, bud. No not until lex manipulates Lino, one more time and tells her that she's all alone and Kara is super girl, Georgia's awesome. And Karas dumb for not telling Lena. Oh, and by the way, the monitor is back in season. Five is already packed. Yep. Unfortunately where both bitterly. Disappointed. But cars failure to tell Lena in a timely fashion, or even a belated fashion now. It's just going to be too late. Whenever she does finally tell Lena that she Super Bowl is Kara horsh, e car is super girl. They need Lena to have yet, a darker are connect season, where she feels all the trade, all of the stupidity has to happen to make that happen. So I had been waiting for licks to tell Lena at some strategically important time. But I guess he never really thought enough of Lena to set her up for betrayal, though, a pitcher into a fight, or anything, he just was holding it in reserve to twist the knife, which seems wasteful. But I guess that's lex for you. And really though this is basic. Our worst case scenario. The only reason lex new at all was so that he could tell Lena lex really doesn't do anything useful with information. The fact that red is stock in car doesn't really matter to the story. It's all kind of window-dressing all that mattered was lex has to know is you girl is because that's going to be the most horrible, way of Lena to find out because we certainly no it's not Lena using your brain to figure it out. Yes. Lex says that it's because of denial and I guess I'd cert- rather believe it was a psychological denial, blindness on Lena's part than her just being a dummy about people. This has always been my question is, is Lena, dummy and the show, so far seems to be saying, Lena's a dummy. And everyone who is telling car what to do. And Kara is also a dummy. They sure are. Well. Doesn't anyone see badly. This is going to end. I think they want to make clear. That's not cars fault that she doesn't tell Lena like they wanted to be very obvious that no car was considering tilling. It's just she got talked out of it. It's like it's everyone's fault. I'm sorry. Kara does not get a pass on this. She chooses not to tell Lena. She, she said she was going to tell her after all this is over. And now Ohno. She has to have a nice game night. I'm this just crazy, absolutely crazy, especially because lex new, and you just you can't assume that lex didn't spill the beans and cars Suming that. Shows up at the game party with her two bottles of wine, and nobody seems to question the cheese just bouncing back from this huge family trauma and letting her have a happy night. They should all see. She's just putting on a happy face. Well to be fair. They don't know to shot, lex. So there's that. But even without that is still, I mean her brother, tried to sort of try to kill her, or at least incapacitated and took over the country. There's this plenty of trauma material there and for them. Okay. I can understand if someone's upset and comes to your party. You let them have a happy moment. You know, there is a question of wind to push people, and when to just let them do whatever they need to heal. But in this case, they should not be assuming that all is fine and will, and it would be upsetting the apple cart to load one more secret onto her. It really is just ridiculous. And I would have liked the scene that I would have wanted there, which is Lena comes by, and they have a talk with Lena as a group to show. There's port for her, and they tell her. Yeah, there's no good reason for that scene, not being in this episode except they just need to stretch it out longer. This is the Lena support group. We're here frying. So obviously, Lena is putting on an act now with bitterness in her heart enough to break a picture that she had. So is she just sulking in silence? Or is she actually planning some kind of horrible revelation game of her own against everybody? It's a good question. I just don't know. It's on the list of things. They have to deal with in season. Five you would think cars nocco to keep putting it off very long season. Five. I mean, this is ridiculous. So hopefully, we'll come out I can only guess that at this point car is going to try to tell Lena sometime. Next season Lena will basically stiff arm her discourage, you know, find some way of discouraging any confidences from being told. Or she's just gonna take it really badly. It's too late for to come out and be accepted in a moderately pleasant manner. It's going to go either way either leaners going to road block or Lena's just going to lay out her in grievances. All right, suppose she could pretend that she's known all along cars face in it. Maybe the kicker is Lena is now going to be more alone and more separated and isolated because he's being manipulated by lex again. Now, I did have a moment early in the show when Lena on brainy were standing together, and I was thinking, you know, always gotten along will maybe Lena in brainy. This was when I was thinking that emotionless brainy and Neha would never get back together again, because of how he had betrayed her, but I was not I was not exactly. Okay, I was happy with how he got emotional is. Again, when he saw NIA sacrificing herself to help zone breakdown, the alien draining machinery. So I was happy with that. And how you know he his little boxes opened up again. And he became emotional again. But I thought that Neha forgave him for too quickly and effortlessly. It was a question as to what they were going to do with brainy. Whether the last episode was just raising the stake for the finale or whether that was something for the next season, and they're implying now that no that was just raising the stakes this episode and it's all done. But on the other hand, they've now given us this idea of a Bernie MAC, five emotionless kind of immoral creature. I think it's very likely. We'll see that again. So I don't think that's done. I think this is just sort of little idea being put it in our heads, as, oh, this could happen, so that we'll get to see this version of Bernie again. I would think otherwise, it just seems very strange, especially because it gets resolved so quickly as you said, I also really, really didn't expect them to bring Bernie back, but the scene where they bring Bernie back. I really did love. I think he acted. It really really well. And it didn't give us what is possibly the best line in the entire show. Dreamer stop stop what you're doing. What you're doing doesn't make any sense. This just beautiful. And says I love you. It was a really, really nice it unseen. I think it could have been done in fifth season. And I think maybe we could see the scene later on where brainy actually has to explain what happened to try and dead Neha to accept an apology. I'm not sure that happens now. Screen. I guess it just seemed to me that, you know, at the end of his impassioned speech her face melted. And she looked at him with love once more, and that just seemed to easy to me, although it was a great acting job. I think it might have worked better. Also, if all of the characters had been very clear in their understanding about brains state changing had, they had a conversation. Yes, I've been rebutted, and I'm now the emotionless version of me and if has known that earlier than him coming back might have worked, but they didn't really know. He was gone. He just started acting like a jerk. Right. And it seemed a little rush to that's all so going back to the start of the episode or so they say middle of the last episode. What did you think of the flashbacks I thought they were unnecessary. I didn't have a big problem with them. But I mean it was all stuff that I had figured out, just from watching last episode. And now they showed us what happened on Lexus side, but I didn't really need that I was thinking about this right before the podcast. And I think I figured it what it was. They wanted the episode to end where ended with supergirl almost dying and lex being victorious. And they simply edited out all of the stuff that they couldn't fit in or didn't specifically need in the episode to get to that point. And then just put it at the beginning of the next episode. So it's just a case of waste not want not. I think it's just both. They made all of the stuff, but the didn't fit the end of the episode nicely or something literally are deleted scenes, they're showing, you we didn't really need them, but they're awfully cool. So we're gonna give them to you now. Yes, I really strange. I don't know why they did it. If. It wasn't just a matter of timing, that they wanted the last episode and exactly this point, and therefore, they had a bunch of minutes of episode that they needed to move I would've rather had the scene explaining the rebooting thing to NIA zone so that Niyaz instant forgiveness would not great on me. So. Oh, well. But I'm not a show. Rider. The flashback does give us some pieces of new information. It does make it clear that, yes, the lex oh suit is definitively being powered by processed aliens, which is pretty gross. But hey, this is lex is yes man, we really didn't get to see just how much of a week, useless person. The president is I was wrong. The president isn't a populist ass. He is just an incompetent nobody and a puppet for lex and oh, hell. Yep. A direct puppet for looks, you know, basically, like skim, some, the speech brought you up from nothing I can make you nothing again. So play long, so. Yeah, he's not even. President Baker books. Liner does not even believe in himself. He, he is just a tool on Lexus chessboard. Absolutely. What did you think about lex singing along in his power suit, too? I did it my way, as he, you know, destroyer of armies and stuff. You know, I kinda did like shooter. Should've just put it in the previous episode. I enjoyed it shows just how crazed Lexus and how absolutely no value in any human life. Yeah. So red daughter finally sees the light and angrily accuses him of betraying, her and betraying. 'cause Neha and he basically shrugs and shoots her, which seemed very wasteful to me as I thought that he was, you know, there's, there's a great big battery that you forgot to drain before you killed. But it turns out she wasn't dead after all. Yeah. If she looks so dead in that shot, or he's holding her body. Maybe that's just the effect of the post production, but she looks remarkably healthy not pod versus how she looks when Lexus holding her body. Right. She looked really dead right now. Maybe you can explain something. I was a little puzzled about are they flat out draining people to death and kill air to death and killing them. They lex those call them disposable batteries or are they draining them down? And letting them Bill beca. You know, are they are they rechargeable batteries? We do not know we know that it hurts. Which is not surprising. But they never really showed anyone coming out of the pod the intent of this is. Horrify. Yes. The allegories are horrific this show, does not pull punches Lexus a Nazi. Yes. Absolutely. He quotes Hitler? There's nothing good here. There's no reason to assume the aliens are not being put in there and killed there. I suppose a renewable resource because more aliens keep showing up on earth, but the show pulls no punches. And it is that at, and we definitely should feel no sympathy when he's shopped, right? Well, of course, not in that I don't think I don't think anyone in their right mind. Could watch this show and be rooting for for Lennox not rooting for, but Kara tries to save him. Cars were gives them the opportunity to live. And there's a fairly healthy argument that Lena solution is the right solution. You can take Lena's action, two ways Lena shoots, lex. And this is Lena becoming darker person, and that she's willing to go of the law, and kill baddies, which would not do or you can say Lena is absolutely in the right please. Hurry up and do that. And I don't actually know which way the show wants us to think about that. So are you also down with Lillian trying to just poison lexin STI? I certainly find some sympathy in in that I mean it was she was fighting with a weapon that she happened to have on hand. However, she happened to have the polonium isotope, or whatever it was. Pretty much everything about t- was strange. And honestly, I think Lillian is trying to kill lex to save her own skin. So do you think lex was an all sincere in saying he didn't do this for himself? He did it for us. You know. Now we're a family, and I want you to share in my victories, or does he just like having people to gloat, too. I think he thinks that's true. Now he's wrong and delusional. But I would actually take his words as much as you could ever take anything like says on face value, I would interpret, his statements like I could have had you killed just can't bring myself to kill you guys. Nice lex great person there. So I think he believes it. But I don't know if that matters. I was happy that we did get to see red. And that was the one thing I was horribly afraid of not getting is red would be killed, and we wouldn't at least get to see some type of reaction for mersal is really happy to see the red was alive, and we got to see more of her in this episode right? And I was happy that she did get the revelation, that lex is evil. Of course it was sad for her to rely, she had been betrayed. But see, at least finally, you know, had the truth reveal to her hand than she chosen did the right thing and helped supergirl fight him. So I'm glad that she wasn't just kill the beginning of the episode in terms of other crazy things that lex does we also see him getting put in charge of alien affairs, and then job. Yes, I liked that. Then was, you know, just. Watching. And so I guess I've been demoted. Ben is well on the out, and I'm a little less. Sure. But whether we're supposed to feel sympathetic to ban in some regards Ben has gotten more character than a lot of the bodies of his show has, I think the only bad here in this show, who actually has a more interesting character is Liam, we do get a lot of Ben. And this is basically, Ben realizing his life is the lie as like, well, you made your choices been, yeah. I mean, they're us in prison, watching, his son speaking about stuff that undermines everything that been has been working for and killing for in, in the last year. I mean, I personally think it's good that George Lockwood is working to redeem his family's legacy. I was a little freight 'cause we only see George in the last minute. That we weren't going to get sec- any more of George after the whole funeral episode. And that all we would have had from George was him undermining his father by telling him that he hates him. But I really like we get a minute from him at the end of the episode speaking, and, you know, telling people to, to try to listen to each other. Yeah. I really liked Georgia's speech. It was great seeing him again. And it's great that they're basically showing that is anyone in this path redeemable, even if Ben isn't an Alexa, obviously, isn't. And the answer is yes, there's some redeemable path there that they can find a way and it's great to see George in that position. So is James Olson's. I loss permanent. This is a comic book show. Nothing is permanent. I guess he could get a buy on guy or something. There's a lot of things with James they've gone through in the season. I don't know if I know where James actually is right now, be his quite the number of arcs that he's gone through, and I'm a little bothered by the hour. Nell plot device for this season. Whether it's just going to be wrapped up and not touched on next season or something like that. That'd be my fear. Yeah. I mean what happened to the whole super soldiers thing. Is is it just been Lockwood, the only one or will we see super soldiers puffing up somewhere sometime next season? I'm sure we'll see more of them. But I don't know how much or how many end it's just the show has a problem, which is it took James and took them through all of these story, arcs? And now we still have James minus an eye injury. And maybe he now appreciates his job more. It's hard to tell and the give too much of a reset, it's always annoying when they have characters, which they kinda break the world a little bit by giving them powers. And then you basically have to roll that back so that the show hasn't changed too much. So we see Ben losing the powers, lex loss. The powers James is power. Everyone loses the powers my impression was although soldiers that came into the fight with Ben also had powers. It was unclear to me, so maybe they have to go. Hunt down, lots of people, and extract, more our now it's a question as to whether or not the government or Lena or anyone will still be doing work on this, or whether this is sort of going to be something to clean up, but nothing actually happened again and therefore a world full of power people. No longer happens. And then the story world that they have the world building doesn't have changed too much would certainly be the most convenient thing. But I find it a little hard to believe that, that genie would be completely FEC in the Pol. A never heard from, again, my guess would be the military is going to not do except maybe in a black ops program. The no knows about I don't expect lean is going to help people do it anymore. So I think it will fade and that might be the wrong choice for the show. But I am sure we will see someone having a bit of Howard L here and there and then someone having powers that's going to happen. We'll certainly just because it's an easy one off episode to have. I'll tell you what I would hate to see would be for Lena to decide the her revenge plot against supergirl and the rest will involve giving herself powers through hornell. I want her to do something smart nasty. Not just turned herself into another punch punch fighter. It would be interesting. At least if she actually goes into heavy production, that would be the more interesting path. We're actually going to deal the fact that there's going to be a lot more. Superpower people around, because Lena in her current state of betrayal, from Kara is going to feel the need to even the playing field even more. And that actually would be I think the better path if you need to have a darker Lena path to go down. So the fourth estate saves the day, all the people angry at aliens, get notifications on their phones about an RV. By Kara unknown alien sympathizer about this big government conspiracy, and they all believe her story, and everybody quits demonstrating and goes home and his happy again. I wish people I wish I could believe that even you know, reading facts would change some people's minds. But, you know there are studies done that facts don't help when emotions are already in play. Perhaps, this is written by someone who really wants apple news to succeed. There's a need for an amazing news distribution where this magically happens. And everyone reads, the right article, we had this question as to how are they going to win sort of win back the hearts and minds of America. And unfortunately, pretty much it was one off camera car writing an article, and everyone getting an article in their phone. Yeah. And that's how they went article isn't going to do it. That's just not how it works. Georgia's speech may have done a better job, maybe in cars that into that was there to cars and George gives a speech, and they did a good interview with dreamer earlier. But we knew this was going to be hard in terms of how are they going to solve the problem of the entire nation turning against Dalians, and they kind of brushed it off? But I think it isn't the article that does it for me. I think it is the interviews which I think they should have had more of maybe because it is the dreamers interview Georges interview those, I think, have wait, right there. More believable in the YouTube world. We live in, then a news article. Yes. I guess we also have to keep in mind, this is an alternate earth. Maybe people are wired just slightly differently over there. Yeah. No. All right. Macbook populace. Everything. All right. So I guess is that it for the things that end for this season? Do you want to start talking about the injections of plot for next season? Or are there is there anything else from from this episode? Aiming aside from the last minute that you wanna talk about there was some wonderful painful lines. I did quite lake Lillian line which shows how broken she is to where she says, try not to quote, Hitler in public deer. It is bad for the brand. Twist Lena's disgusted, Lillian isn't disgusted. She doesn't that you should do that in public dairy headaches. The episode did an interesting thing where it kind of suggests that Lexus obsession with killing superman was a problem. I don't really think that actually led to his. Downfall though, I don't think it would have really mattered whether he was powering the satellite or not, but implication, where lex tells eve off, for suggesting that they should use the power for something other than just killing superman. I don't know. They really sort of pulled off that connection where generally Lexus obsession seems to be his downfall. I was confused on in the moment at why eve would care that he was wasting some of this power. I mean, they just always drain more aliens. Guess you know why would she put be putting herself in opposition to him like that? But then the thing at the end, I think, explained that motivation a little more. Yeah, it definitely makes more sense at the end of the episode with the dreamer doing astral projection seen. I think there was a beautiful thing in there after the ridiculousness of brainy actually knowing when dreamer was going to contact them, which is impossible. Yes. But they do give us the beautiful point, where brainy tells them that, oh, by the way, dreamer can't actually tell us anything to which both Alexandria Mercedes at the same. Time. So how is that? This a good plan, right? Thank you. And that was a wonderful moment. Yes. But really, I that was seemed like just another unnecessary diversion to me. I mean, she she managed to get the message across anyway. So why bother to have that little dog and then come back and fix it again? So quickly easily there was no need for that at all they could simply have had brainy Gifford appropriate instructions or she would know how to do it. Right. Or he could train his electric, brain to her. I mean if she can if she can I n is his water, vapor, and then right on the window than he can. I'm sure he could've tuned, his lick Tronc brain to her emissions somehow. You're absolutely correct and me liking the lines. Let me give it a pass your ABS. Okay. The episode does have I think a bit of a problem in the last battle, it seems a little ridiculous. Supergirl doesn't just fly destroy the claim or satellite like she did last time. I don't quite understand why that isn't a valid solution here. Yeah. I suppose they really wanted us to give that great scene with John and dreamer trying so hard to overload the battery. But I think supergirl wasn't aware that the claymore was about to go off. I think she was busy in the battle outside with the Lockwood. And then lex, maybe she didn't have the information. I thought they learned that when brainy learned that, but yeah, maybe you're right. It have to rewatch it just to see what your operations was. It seemed a little strange to me the setup for the fight. I think she knew that they were planning to that lex was planning to use. The claim Mark is not that it was imminent in the next couple minutes of that's fair, perhaps, yes, she'd been out of realized it was about to go off is a little unclear when these characters can randomly send voice messages to each other's ears. And when they can't write in some episodes, they do says they don't and certainly in this episode, they don't because there's a lot of need for lack of communication, which is never a good sign for the construction of the episode, but then Super Bowl doesn't up in a fight with lex Luther where for most of the fight lex Luther doesn't have his armor on which may be saved CG budget or gives you more time actually seeing the actors face, but it does give supergirl. I'm fairly constant window of time where she should. Be blasting him with her eight vision. It did seem a little strange having lex out of his suit so much during that fight. Okay. So moving on. We finally find out that eve test Macher is not just a fool for love. She has been part of an operation by a yet a different conspiracy of people eve is it a station, and this woman comes, and sits beside her and says, we'll always find you eat says, I did everything you asked I worked for him. I hurt people for him. And the woman says this whole thing was supposed to move the needle, and you failed us leviathan is everywhere. I briefly looked up leviathan and basically, it's yet another funky criminal league assassins type organization, and we'll see what they're like, in this show. Right. Basically, this is just the first scene of a series of scenes. That set up all of the stuff happening in the next season. And there's a lot of these scenes. Yeah. And I, I was unimpressed with the monitor crossover this fall on unhappy that it looks like it's going to be a large part of the coming season or at least the coming first half season of supergirl. Well to be fair. The main problem with else world is it was a bunch of filler at a prologue for the next crossover episode this year. So the one thing we knew going to happen was, we were going to get a lot of crisis on infinite earths, crossover content this year. And guess what? We definitely are see how the monitor's back we have via thin to deal with the monitor. Apparently, if I understood this properly has brought back, John Jones, brother, who wants maybe revenge on John Jones. For some reason, we don't understand. And the monitor shows. Lexus body. So the likelihood that lex is gonna stay dead. Seems really low. Yeah. Son, fortunately, I mean he's not really a character so much as wind up toys within a gender of his own, but, you know, there he's just flat. He's just evil. You know, evil in a somewhat interesting way of being manipulative and still. But I only wanted one season of him I don't I don't care and want to elects redick's will we don't know how to use. The real answer is the CW universe is not willing to leave lex dead. I don't think because who knows how they're going to want to use him in the future. This is comic book show, very rarely do people stayed dead. So they needed a path for him to come back, and here's our path. We may not see much in next season. He might just show up for the crossover or he will be a major part next season, hard to say or they'll just bring him back at some point in some show. So there's lots of options. But yeah, there there's pretty much no way. Lexa staying dead. All right. There's been Lockwood sing in prison. I would not assume go to see Ben Lockwood again, I think he enjoys. And president Baker are gone for the show. Okay. And by the way, vice president, the St. no or the St.. No. I didn't quite catch. The name is giving announcements and reinstating the alien amnesty act, which towed, vice president, totally should not be able to do. President of Disney. Well on the news, Haley Colt him vice president, so. I mean. He would have to be sworn in the very least before he could. Although is it a he don't know? I didn't hear a first name anyway. Vice president he or she would at least need to be sworn in by supreme court Justice. So the cabinet used the twenty fifth to remote. So I guess we'll find out maybe more about the new leader of the free world. Next season. Although if, if the presidency and the congress sink back into not so active in the show. I wouldn't mind that for next season. Here's a little unclear where Haley also is going to stand. We had, I think an interesting character arc, not a big one, but an interesting one in the show where the producer and the basically made her a little bit of an enigma, where you're trying to tell is this person bad? Is this person going to be good whereas going to go and the basically, sort of had her as someone who believes in rules, and fold the rules, but actually did have a conscience, and did have the wherewithal to not follow? What really were illegal and impossible commands that was an interesting character, and I could see this. She might return I haven't really checked which actors are returning to Nick season. I haven't either but full. I agree. I liked her as someone who disagreed with the protagonists without being evil. I think it's important to have that kind of nuance, even the comic book show. So she, she's one person. I really enjoyed this season. I wouldn't I would be happy to see her back again next year is really amazing that not only did she do good things. But basically, the main characters get lying to her and kept doing horrible things behind your back and kept doing all of this stuff, and she's still did good because it was the right thing to do. And in that regards, not only do the right thing to do, but she doesn't harbor grudges either she'll still do the right thing, right. I wouldn't say the protagonist did horrible things behind her back. The they were certainly deceptive disloyal to her fireable. Perhaps, yes. Certainly fireable offenses. That's fair. I had a question About Eve, which is now that we found out that not only was eve pretending to work for Lena all this time. She was also pretending to work for Lexa this time. Does that make her betrayal better or worse? I don't think we're going to know that until we know whether she's acting out of goals, or out of fear in she just controlled by these people. Do they do they have her brother in a cage somewhere or something? Or, you know, did she originally believe with them and set out to help them in whatever their goals are in that case, I would call it a worse betrayal. But, you know, I don't know what her motivations are. There's also the question of does she still have copy powers or not? And that's unknown. Well, yeah. I don't know. There's no reason to believe she doesn't. There's also no reason to believe Otis couldn't come back. I don't expect you will. But hey metallica's never said he was dead. But, you know. I'll in there that reminds me of one loose end. I was expecting Mikhail to come back in some form, but red daughter never found out that he was actually still alive. I was a bit surprised by that, too. Maybe they just didn't need it, and it would have been too complicated. Maybe they'll come back to that next season. Probably not. But yeah, it is a bit sad that read died thinking that Michaela died and wasn't actually true. Well, one character who I think I really don't understand their character arc for this season was John. They start him down one path and doing the private investigators stuff and trying to be a pacifistic hero. And then they basically just cheesed course do Manchester black being so fixated on John being the manhunter. I really couldn't quite tell where they wanted to John to go and where we see him now versus at the beginning of the season. I think it's kind of a larger manifestation of the problem, the writers have had for the first three seasons, which is that they didn't know what to do with him. And so, you know, his powers would arise and then they forget about them, and then they, you know, come in to being for one episode in the dismiss them again and send him away so that he wouldn't solve the problem for Super Bowl with his powers and this season. It seems like they've been trying more things. I mean he's a good actor. I, I enjoy watching him. But they've made him so inconsistent. That much of what he does doesn't have any meaning anymore. It's very hard to tell and clearly we're going to see a strong arc with him in the next. Season with the other green Martian showing up, and we'll see if it comes together. I mean the end of first season like the second half of first season when they basically decided to have Hank Shaw, be, John was, I think still the strongest bit of the show and some of that was John's character. And it just seems so sad that John's character seems to sort of be wavering and flipping and flopping in different places and not have that strength. Yes. Yes. He's definitely. Coast, some frustration for us over the years a rather. Their treatment of him I do want to say that almost everything they did with Neha. I really, really liked the season in some regards, maybe the writers, just really know what to do with NIA because NIA is kind of the new Kara, and has that more hopefulness and we missing that a bit from car in the later seasons. And they know how to make that work in this show. But NIA for the most part works really well in the show, I really liked a lot of the NIA focused episodes. I agree. She's been a good character. I, I have complained about how they turned her interesting dream powers into more of just another combat vehicle, but the character moments that she has had I have liked lot. I hope that maybe maybe next season, we'll get to see her sister. Maybe reconcile next season would be nice to see and be nice to see that. They come to some conclusion as to how Representative powers, but it might just be glowing blue whips for now. But. Characters. Right. And with brainy all we can hope is maybe we'll see Bernie five comeback. But at least hope we can hope that Bernie isn't used quite so much for comedy relief next season. Yes. Well, I think that about covers it I don't have. I, I have some trepidation about some parts of next season. We some of what we most feared has indeed come to pass as far as Lena's arc goes. But, you know now now that she has finally found out. Although in the worst possible way. I am very interested to see what she does with this knowledge next season. I was briefly going to congratulate you that lex proves that car is super girl by showing her footage of Kara using her power. Building as if that was the security Cam footage. Right. Almost forgive it for reusing just stock footage from the episode, but then they just throw in all of these other scenes that there's no seen reason lex would have video of stored. Right. Like Kara burning reds room and zooming in on her face while she does it. And it's like yeah. Oh, my that was so necessary gratuitous to reuse of footage from the same show people by as Lena knows we no longer have to ask that question. But we are still asking questions as to how much of a dummy, people are not communicating. And that is drama on TV sometimes people don't communicate and people's feelings are hurt. Yep. Well, we'll find out just just how hurtling is and what she's going to do about it. And hopefully, the, the leviathan stuff will be at least somewhat interesting next season. And hopefully, the monitor stuff will not be too painful for that's the best time hoping for from that plotline will survive the crossover. We'll survive some Shays aren't going, but we'll. Troops over. We will. So all in all I am of course, looking forward to next season as I said before I think this season is better than season two or three. And I hope that they learn from what they've learned from the season. I hope even if John's character is inconsistent maybe Jones, erects, a couple of Marcus really like the episode directed and hopefully the Knicks season continues to improve. Right. Okay. Well, I think that'll do it for this sewed hands this season. I have really enjoyed our conversations throughout this year. And I hope we're talking again next year. Hope so happy to be here. Okay. I'd like to thank our audio enter, of course for well our team of audio enters for this year. 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571: Supergirl S4E21 Review: "Red Dawn"

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571: Supergirl S4E21 Review: "Red Dawn"

"Thanks. Welcome to the super girl, super cast a part of the comparable network of podcasts. I'm Tricia Mattson. And I'm David Shaw, and I'm Deanna Chapman, and we are going to be discussing season, four episode twenty one of supergirl red dawn of leave the penultimate episode. David, can you give us the recap Alec Stewart's? Remembering cars at entity after falling asleep Netflixing with Kelly car isn't captured long before red attacks her, but Kara escapes, the show redefines triangulate defined reds home Alex's mum calls and is now reds hostage. Supergirl fights, red and gets killed. Luckily, supergirl leeches, the forest plants to reanimate herself. Also, Alex, remember supergirl is Lena buys a prison so she can burrow Lillian to extract our now, from James after poisons and truths Lillian agrees to help Jimmy. But for now. They'll just pump him up with more hornell Lena and James look for lex while following Ben Ben finds out that he's just Lexus pawn, and then kills Otis before. James Lena can get answers brainy dreamer and John look for missing aliens. They look gambit their way into being captured unfortunately brains torture reboots into an emotionless state. He sends dreamer John off to get transmitted to who knows where. Oh, and lex is apparently killed red and fought off the cabins. A lot happened to yes, quite a lot happen. I was not expecting them to introduce a new super villain at this point. Brainy becoming brainiac five. It's a good question as to what that's going to be because they could make him a bad guy for one more episode, and then they help them or they can make having him, get better part of next season, or they can have him be the big Batty for next season. Lots of options. I think that is one thing that they might leave us off with a cliffhanger for it in the next episode because there are so many other things that they have to wrap up. I feel like with the season and with one episode left, you know, based on everything that happened in this episode they still have a lot to do superhero needs to recover red daughters out for the count right now. And I don't really know how they are going to pack everything into a finale. Without leaving a few things as loose ends to pick up in season five which will have a lot to do to because of what events leading up to. I was going to say that noth- very much got sorted out in this episode. But that's not really true. For the most part, all the changes is Alex remembering who super is so that loose end is now finally done, but then they have this thing's starting in the penultimate, episode of brainy becoming bringing five and just adding one more loose end to sorta in the last episode. But then I remember at the very end of the episode, they do clear off an enormous amount of plots, if they actually are saying, rids been killed, and all the cabins have been defeated and all of that is gone, which I was going are you really wrapping up that quickly? Yeah. I was shocked that they did. Well, I don't know if red is really dead or not. But it does seem that the. Crasner invasion which we were all wondering how they could handle in, you know, just the last couple of episodes. So they did it off scream. Entirely offscreen that really cheap way of doing it. Yes. And yes, it's very hard apparently to keep a super girl dead. Who knows what red state actually, as I certainly hope she's not dead. That would be so sad to take that character and dual that work with her and just have killed off screen, I find it very hard to believe that they would throw away all that character building like that. All the unresolved loose threads, slick Mickael and, you know, the basic realization that to that red parents still has to make that, you know, when she when she came to life saying the word Alex, she was not talking about, lex Luther she was talking about our Alex danvers. Yes. So that would be extremely disappointing if that were it, although I guess, maybe she could be in cold storage, and we wouldn't see her again until next season sometime. Well, if she's not dead. She certainly knows that she was betrayed now. Yeah. One would hope that would be more obvious to her. Yeah. Even if lex didn't tell her what was going on even if he had her somewhere watching. She knows that the crows Nian invasion, was all just a big setup for lex to make himself a hero. It's unclear to me of him making himself, a hero that way really does much good in the public's eye. Does that really make lex? Now, a good guy. This plan is just weak. Well, the thing is, if there had been a bigger buildup for the custody, invasion and Americans were worried about being invaded and stuff that would be more effective for whoever ends the invasion to become a hero. But for it to be the same news bite that, by the way, this little country with invading us. Oh, by the way, lex Luther lead. Notorious criminal mastermind saved us. I don't think it's going to have the same impact in the American, I it's not the fear that everyone's been fearing all season right? I feel like the general public would have to consist of a lot of eve Tesna cours for them to really believe that lex is a good guy. Well to be fair, the general public does probably contain a lot of eve test markers these days. True. So many all of them. So we walk through the episode a little bit. Yeah. Let's do that to Alex is telling Kelly that she dreamed of her sister who was adopted and she says it's weird the last time she felt like this. She was being questioned at the DEA. So Alex, if we're going chronologically do you want to go scene by scene? We don't need to go that level of detail. I think it is. Nice seeing the teen car and Alex again, I think these two actors do a really good job with the two characters. It is a believable thing that we're seeing we saw them in the past episode before, and we're seeing them again now but we know is the past because they're carrying on an ipod. So they've made it very clear. I think they did a fair job of chatting and yet being the same characters. So that was a setup for later memories. But going next we pick up the thread with. Oh, yeah. The president Ted reporter Curragh danvers black bagged, and she is taken to some room and an agent is questioning her and she's saying you can't do this. This is America. And besides kept copies, despite telling the president that I didn't keep any Cuffy's. But it does her no good. Because the. They say that they scrubbed the cat coast. Servers hope that means they just took those files out and didn't entirely crash all of cat co you never know. But. Never know. Anyway. Corre breaks loose, and then read daughter in a brunette wig for some reason, opens up a briefcase full of kryptonite and Correia is down for the count the Buna it wig. I liked I still quite like the acting for red. I still think using kryptonite is a bit questionable when it affects both of them. If perhaps not equally bad weapon of choice at the same time, though, what else is she going to use then you should send someone else? Crippen. Yeah. I wonder if Lexus aware that this is going on, because you'd think that looks would have figured out some other way to do that. I think Lek center. Okay. I was just wondering, because red daughter has so much unresolved stuff with supergirl. And she does I quite liked the reverse on the villain monologue where Cora is trying to emphasize that they share blood and jeans. And a red daughter says I see this is the part will you say, we are not so different. You and I. So I, I liked her balancing that back onto our that was fun. Anyway. She rejects cores assertion that Lexus evil. Licks just did what he had to do to protect the world and reducer, you know, why don't you just kill me since Kara Henrik daughter says, I want you to admit that you were wrong and America is corrupt, and then Kara has her hero moment, where yes, she's sitting there with a lump of glowing green kryptonite in her left, but she says she's been learning how to you know, she's been minist- with kryptonite for fifteen years, and, you know, so she is able to overcome this send away. I'm pretty sure we've seen every single occurrence that cars actually had to fit after tonight. It's not been that many. It's not like people walk around the town kryptonite on their backs all this high on making your feel week. I don't know. I like the scene. It is a good hero moment. And it does make some sense. The car at least has some experience sort of fighting off the effects of kryptonite it still works. And she doesn't try to do a lot just tries to escape and that's fine. Right. I approved of her just escaping on regrouping. So she goes to John Jones says that, you know, lex wants me dead to Alex's endanger. So have to tell her about my secret identity after all, John, John says you can't I closed off the neural pathways and she's already healed from that. And you know, telling her, we'll just traumatize earlier. And maybe give us flip personality, blah, blah, blah was this scene needed at all? It wasn't actually had the thought when he said, maybe if she dreams it a remembers it on her own, and I was thinking, hey, this would be a really cool way to go back to dreamer using dream powers instead of channeling it into neural whips or whatever, because, you know, maybe dreamer could help Alex. With her dreams and help her remember stuff somehow. But no, they completely dropped that and didn't do anything with it. I would say that was probably the most unnecessary scene in this episode. And you know there weren't too many unnecessary seen. So that's not necessarily a big knock on this episode because I actually enjoyed this quite a bit. But it was just like wait. We just see Alex starting to figure things out, you know, like, do we need to be told this? It almost feels like a continuity air. They're telling us about this after they've already introduced it happening as we've already seen that. It's okay later on. We're gonna get to more continuity auditees in this episode. I quit like this episode a lot more than the last episode agreed. But the ordering of some of the activities seem a little strange going to another unnecessary scene, where Lena hood bought in prison, as you say. Great, great public private prison. Partnerships. See, so that she could get Lena to surrogate Liliam to fix James and maybe been Lockwood to for her. We didn't really need this in that. I'm sure Lena. Could've whipped it up. Whipped up the cure herself. And I'm very frustrated that they said that lex could do it, but Lena couldn't for some mental block reason, or something like that. But I did enjoy as always the interplay between Lillian and Lena, Lena puts a truth seeker Ilian thing on her so that she has to tell the truth, and Lillian finally admits that she loves Lena. Meanwhile, Lena who is not taken a truth seeker. Anything tells Lillian that she's injected her with a neuro toxin, and unless she does will enough to get the antidote. She'll die. Oh. And at the end of Lillian says, oh, I know you didn't really give me a neuro toxin and Lena's Trink this, you'd better drink this. She gave her the neuro toxin. So even though I don't like d you know, lowering Lena's capabilities, she should have been able to fix this on our own even though that I still just enjoyed having Lena back for a guest appearance. I mean having Lillian back, having Lillian back was worth, even though I do agree with you. That having Lena fail at this is kind of necessary. My favorite line was leeann screaming out couldn't you just waterboard. Me like a normal person. Normal. I like the fact the show is going to have Lillian love her. Even if it is, her somewhat warped view of love. Yeah, exactly. She might actually mean it, but it might not mean the same thing for normal people if she thinks normal people waterboard. People. My challenge with the scene is going back to the ordering of it. Because at this point is there actually any evidence that the Har Nell is bad for James. I'm not entirely sure. I mean he's been having flashbacks but he'll in pain, but that could just as well. Just be from the mental trauma that he's head. I got the impression that after the mind palace work he had kind of stabilized with our Nell, and they hadn't decided until this episode that Ono Harno is actually going to probably eat Ben James up, and they're going to have to extract them, but I don't know if they actually give the impression about that earlier before it was, like, maybe James is going to be powered ongoing, and I was like, well, okay, maybe they'll have to rule that back. I think they did a better job of showing how it was affecting Ben negatively than they did with James, and I don't know if that's just because, you know, James is a bigger guy. So maybe it didn't hit him the same way at hit Ben. But yeah, it's one of those things where it's like, do you really know what you're doing with any of this stuff, Welby known Lillian should James got some kind of refined? Version of the Heron hill, and Ben just straight up original fuel formula or whatever. But just seems strange to me that there was this assumption of needing to do it. And at the end of the episode, we get that, yes. Something is going to be needed. There wasn't really any evidence of at the point where Lena was like getting lily and just seem to strange. Yeah. It was James may be still getting those like nasty headaches seemed to be getting. I don't think we saw them. Okay. I have no idea then. So Lena for some reason, confronts been Lockwood on her own and till him about the president working with licks and you know, she's trying to get bin to tell her about lex and lex, I mean been saying, I don't know anything about this. What are you talking about? But she convinces him that yes he's been working for lex all along. And he he denies it, but then she seals season burning Roper out of the parking lot. And she and James, follow him, it was curious to me. Why James just stayed in the car if he was there. It's like why would you let go up to this crazy guy by yourself? Yeah. Crazy superpower guy even worse now maybe having James around another superpower guy would make it more likely that there would be a fight with bin, but then is just, you know wrapped too loose. Around the handle these days, I would not, you know, I don't think Lena should've met her life on. Going up to talk to me. Yeah, it worked out. Okay. I guess. All by Lena was judging the risks and made the call. Good point. Okay. Okay. And I think we get onto John and Brian dreamer. So many things I enjoyed brains knife to in saying that, you know, I have to tell her how I love tell her that I love her because if I tell her that I love her then that will relieve the pressure and I'll be able to get back to normal functioning. Even better as the next line is I need to get this out of my system before all the punching and exploding starts. Some great logic right there. Fortunately, the logic just gets worse. And then it gets emotionless the plan of the Wookey gambit, which is a fine, fine phrase, and it's funny having this interplay about Star Wars. It's all fine. Having John there to do the Wookey Gamba was a bad idea. But having the dependency on the imaging do sir for the rookie camp. It was obviously going to fail right? It was a terrible terrible. The DO and the agents of liberty everybody knows about image inducers. They, they, it's been a major plot point for months. It's disappointing that they tried such a stupid version of the plan. Yeah. So they get caught. Of course, of course, won't be any fun if they didn't brainy dream or do do because they had the said, no, we're not going to do that. And John went off to scout. And then NIA saw the little girl from her dream, and they decided for some reason that, that meant they had to go right in right than in there without consulting. John on it. Which still makes no sense. None of it. Oh. So they, they separate brainy. Andrea Mer and put rainy in a chair. And I think they're doing a combination of electrical shock and, and just, you know, punching him in the head knock something loose knocked. Looses ancestoral. Either evil overlord racial memories or something. And then he I don't know if he kills everyone or just knocks everyone in conscious. But I was watching carefully the second time as think he picked up a gun at some point hit someone with it. So for whatever reason they didn't have him kill anyone. I mean maybe they're being put into comas and they know wake up, but who knows that's normal, right? I mean you hit somebody in the head with a foot long wrench. Exactly. I think they decided to not have him. Kill me. One might just be the show style. But it's unclear whether Bruni act now that he's sort of kicked back to being a more true, emotionless Bernie MAC, five instead of brainy whether he's a bad person, or just an immoral person, and we don't quite know the motivation versus his style yet. True. But if he doesn't have motions in loyalties, I'm not sure even if he is still on team, protect alliens side who knows how long he will stay there, if they could do anything with brainiac five they want to now. Yeah, I did like say a Jones comes in and says, what happened and Verney says I am pre. Yeah, it's one of those things where it's like, okay was this, a full system reboot? Was it just a hard reset, like, in terms of just, you know, like resetting your phone or computers? It's like okay, how much of the brainy that we've come to know, over these last, however many episodes that he has been in is still there. Or is it just everything is completely wiped, and it's just all of the history that he has because he remembers everything. But if he remembers everything you think he would remember all of the stuff that happened before the reboot. My impression was they just turned off his emotions and freed up his full powers, and that was it like I was wondering is he actually going to be a true brainiac, and he's going to just try and eat the planet or something like that. I don't know if that's where it is, or if he's going to now try and contact his home world in the past which could involve brainiac coming meditating earth. If he does that, which they could do that, if they want it. So this lots of options, I under the impression that this is still bringing his brain. It's just has his emotions turned off. Got it. And maybe morals. Yeah. So maybe they flipped a couple switches. But that's it. Yeah. That was my impression make sense. It's a really a surprise raising the stakes though for the penultimate episode. Yeah. Definitely. It worked. It was scary. It was creepy. It it was creepy. I was always, you know, interested in excited when I realized what they were doing with it. I just don't know whether they're, you know, how much of a plot point it's going to be the season or whether it will continue into the next so NextWave Cora. Alex and Haley tracking red daughter. She's been busy. Super Bowl went to the DO, and then they met up with Alex aunt Healy, but everyone seemed to be on side with actually working together on this, because really Lexus obviously the problem. And this is also where they do a couple things that blew my mind, was the used Super Bowl solar power signature as a way of tracking where red is Ben right point? I'm super confused because I'm pretty sure that'll point to absolutely every place. The car has been constantly. And the ignore that entirely. Maybe they'll bring that up next episode or next season, but what in the world of doing, and if DO can do that, why didn't they track down? You know, publican to me number one supergirl before with that will they had her on a machine for a while. So they probably needed or around in order to record, what that signature looked like in order to track it. Yeah. They needed super goal to help do that. But they're looking at historic information, though, which still should show up as much of where cargoes as to a red goes, they then talk about like these hits that have been going on taking the designers of the satellite weapon, and they're triangulated that to find her address. And at that point, I'm going, what's going on here. Science. That's not science. That's the writers didn't know what else to do here. So they just use the word triangulation law. Something anyway, supergirl flies off. Alex goes to reducers apartment and realizes that she's been sort of stalking Kara and freaks out. She likes to freak out about people finding out her entity. She doesn't every episode now. So anyway supergirl confronting red daughter. Asks red daughter about Mickael, which, I don't remember how Curragh ever heard of Mikhail whatever, I'll be found the diary at reds this, right? That's right. The divers picture. So she's had a bunch more information about that which could then bring up, but she only add like haffey information, right? Right. So red otr is, of course, infuriated by this and says that the Americans killed Mickael and a fight flight and. While while they are fighting and Currah is losing Alex is on her motorcycle, trying to get to the fight and Currah loses. And in fact, looks not only unconscious, but kind of did Alex runs tour in his crying will is she crying. I don't know. But she's her voice is certainly fraught with emotion as she says, you know, I know you don't quit. So you can't go now. Elisa runs off and looks horrified. Oh, yeah. Somehow, I cut out a bunch of notes here, 'cause I missed the part where the phone call from from Elisa mom, danvers, and Alex, and Haley, and Kara, all realized that read Dr was with Elisa. Right. I mean affectively all this leads to a fight and grass and grass away from the city which. Convenient and their fight for the most part. I thought was okay. It's really hard to tell these fights what hits her supposed to actually because ING them damage what hits they can just sort of taken brush off. But either way supergirl is losing this fight very much. Realistically, I don't know what lex has told read bit Lexus plan, obviously, nudes car and supergirl dead because he can't go into feet. Red saying he defeated supergirl and have supergirl still being around. So then clearly, he's not aware that she's not actually dad because by the time red dot early if she is under the impression that Super Bowl is dead. She can't hear a heartbeat anymore, and she has no idea that the grass is going to save her life, which I wasn't really expecting either. But it happened. Yes, she listens to the heartbeat stop. And by the time she might have wanted to do something else to make sure she was dead. She was think being impacted by what she was watching with Alex, Alex was emotionally impacting red. And therefore read is just I think, wanted to be out of there, but I have to say when Alex was, yeah. Shoving grass super girl's hand, I dunno. Alex that looks a little far gone. So it was a pretty shocking to me also when it worked. Yeah. When Elisa showed up, I was expecting something a little more scienc- to happen, you but that she just kind of stood there and then we're just looking at all of this grass. And I was like, oh, okay. That was not the reaction I was expecting to Eddie of this, but it works apparently because again science. Right. I mean. Technically, you know, plants do store, sunlight in the form of chlorophyll. But I mean it is okay. I really liked the emotions that Alex was putting across the way she was sounding kind of irrational and saying, look, here's Gress news. Some light here. You know, don't leave me. Don't leave me. I really liked the emotions of. Of the scene. And I was willing to turn off in a little brain for that supergirl, seems far more efficient or something about dude dealing with light. Like she generally is a better capacitor and superman. But yeah, pulling these sort of ATP from the chlorophyll sunlight from all the plants. At least I wanted to all the forest around them to die. And she basically is a plan fan pyre. I wanted to see something there, but it was a prize. And all we can do is give the show. Yeah. Leaves us with some stuff to answer in the finale. So there is that at least. Yeah. I think it's pretty wild that it's implied that the Ilyas are actually being refined into the power cells for the Lexus suit that was pretty exceptionally creepy. Yeah. I was not sure whether they meant that the aliens were being completely destroyed like this transmit portal thing was actually not a port a little, but just converting them to energy or if they're just that's definitely a portal. But it's just a question of what's going to happen on the side of the portal. Right. I mean, there was some talk in an earlier episode, where the agents of liberty your children alert, liberty whatever they are just wanted to send all the aliens off planet. So maybe this is what they're doing there. But that, that doesn't explain the energy harvesting, but. I mean, it seems like a weird way to try to get energy because they're going to different kinds of energy. I don't seems like you'd lose a lot in the conversion. I'm assuming that, that portal basically is going into some industrial complex, which is doing something very bad with the aliens. And that's all we really need to know. Okay. We're going to have to go to that place is probably were Alexes or lex has been frequently. It's probably were eve is. And there's going to be a big comforting their next episode. Exactly how the machine works. Let's just not think about it. Probably in the past anyway, we see dreamer being herded along toward the portal with many other people. And she looks extremely both upset and Stony face to the same time, which is a pretty neat affect, even if our friend brainy ever comes back, I don't think he's going to have an extremely rocky road feet. Tries to actually have a relationship with NIA after this. I expect it's recoverable but not easily. It'll take some time and I actually kind of like that they've been letting some of the storylines play out, not as quickly as I expected like with Alex starting to remember that car is super girl that took a lot longer than I expected because I believe in one of the recent episodes, we were discussing I was like, oh, yeah, I forgot Alex doesn't know because they kept it going for so long. But it does leave us with a lot of loose ends that they may or may not try and tie off in the next episode IV short list we have been going after lex, brenick five is going to be going after lex. Now, they may or may not be able to save brainy. John and dreamer have probably been sent to some factory relaxes. The president has to go down. Ben has to go down the children liberty have to go down. Supergirl needs to prove yourself innocent still police, she's alive that probably helps and for heaven's sake. Lena needs to find out who cars. Yes, please. If I will be so upset if they leave that hanging over until season five, it's just if just got to resolve it if I wasn't such a completion est with these dang CW shows, if they didn't tell Lena I'd probably give up the show like not going to lie. It's biking me that much. But the completion est may probably wouldn't let me do that anyway. I couldn't do that. I don't think but boy, it'll hurt I do know that they have some stuff plan with children of liberty next episode four shower because I have seen the stills from that Assad. And I think there's a new new suit coming pursue girl. At least I think it looked new. I dunno. She's had a few that, you know, she kind of only uses once or twice, and then we don't see them again. So I'm hoping it's her anyway and not read daughter. I don't know hard to tell just from pictures of the things that are going to get sorted out in the next episode. It's almost certainly going to be the president in Ben the of liberty. Because it just in all likelihood those actors are probably only been contacted for part of the season. I would love to have them keep lex for at least another season. I feel like because of the caliber of villain that he. He is it would kind of be ashamed to only get him in the back half of a season. Even if they've been talking about him here and there throughout the show because it's you know, superhero, and its lack. So, you know, he's not going to just not be mentioned will there are still talks about whether there will be a superman TV show coming up soon as well. DC is killing me. Well, we don't know how many shows are stopping next year or soon also, though. So it's hard to say how that'll play out. I know arrow is for sure ending and on. They just bumped that woman up to a full series order, if I'm not mistaken, or at least, you know, a thirteen episode first season, which I think they did with black lightning instead of, you know, giving them these twenty plus episode season. So there is a lot peak superhero anyone is it possible to be beyond the peak. Well, our, our sister podcast or brother podcast, or whatever it is, the speedy aero cast has announced that they are no longer going to be covering just ERO and next year. And having you know wrath of other superhero stuff at the end. They're going to an all superhero. Disgusting. You know, not even just the CW shows they're going to be talking about everything on their new show. But I think we can maybe corner the. CW shows now. Or at least you know, I certainly don't want to cover era next season at all. But we can do a little more talking about that woman next year. You know, see how do maybe little code is at the end of our supergirl podcasts, there was the trailer for the pilot for about women. And it looked better. I think than it went in else world. I think there's more interesting and a little more refined. I also recently read one of the bat woman trade books, which I think covers a lot of material the stuff of sort of used as a steetch that's going into the bat woman, TV show, and it's all pretty good stuff. So I'm looking forward about woman. Yeah. I saw the trailer to in it seemed to be heavy on Anna. Tude. Not, not forthcoming much about other stuff there, there's only seemed to be dynamics between her and her father and maybe a woman that might be a love interest. But one of the things that I really like about a lot of the CW shows is that most of them have big teams and a really enjoy the interplay between a lot of characters if, if bat woman turns out to be mostly just a show about her. I think it'll be harder to sustain interest. Yeah, there have been some recent comics that have bat woman leading team. But I also think that really depends on how much of the bat family DC wants to give to the CW has, you know, Batman has obviously been alluded to, but I don't really think we'll see him on the small screen. And who knows if they have plans for one of the eight hundred Robbins in the movies. They haven't really done anything with the Robins in quite some time. So I have no idea how they are going to play that out if it's going to be something where because of her relationship with her father. Maybe there's more of a military angle, kind of, like, how ERO every once in a while uses ARGUS resources or something like that. And so, yeah, there there's quite a few different possibilities there. But, you know, I'm trying to reserve judgment for when I actually see an episode because I don't believe trailers, all the time now, especially since, you know, some big movie ones are like, oh, we're going to show, you this is not actually going to be in the movie. Sorry, sue, infuriating. I mean I hate trailers that give away the whole plot. And now you don't need to see more. But outright lie about what's in the movie is just wrong. They don't know that it might not be in the movie sometimes. Yeah. Sometimes it just gets cut later due to time. Yeah. We'll see. Okay. Well, right. So one more episode a lot of stuff to either rep up or carry over to next season. There are some things we've already talked about how much we do not want them to carry over to the next season. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see as always, it's been fun, discussing the show with you, too. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you for having me back. Hopefully, I will make it back for the finale here. 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653: Supergirl S5E19 Review: "Immortal Kombat"

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653: Supergirl S5E19 Review: "Immortal Kombat"

"They. Welcome to the Super Girl Super. CAST. I'm Trish. I'm David Chubb. I'm Alan you and today we are discussing the season five episode, nineteen abrupt finale, immortal combat and David Wenatchee. Remind us what happened. LEX visits leviathan stops Jemma from killing two billion people steals a bottle of elemental benders, but fails to have Leviathan kill supergirl for him. Alex gets to do costume, but no mask. She's master weapon, but has doubts. Megani gives it. It dreamers some good relationship advice. John and Meghan are super girls for awhile and fight lots. Dreamer starts paying attention to her brainy dreams, but is it too late? Brainy tries sacrificing himself to beat lex by bottling Leviathan and saving the day, but he's still being oops. Lena apologizes lots dicara mixed car. A new suit lies to William for her stops across from killing her, and finally achieves Lena Dem Shannon with cars forgiveness. Gets shot, by Eve, who tells everyone about Emma Andrea doesn't kill supergirl as ordered and doesn't know how close came to killing two billion people, Kili breaks into obsidian north and really likes Alex's Costume Kara gives a fine speech and slaps Leviathan around a bit. Jim Generally has a bad day and goes all robot at the end, and we still don't know who our bosses and we don't know whether you're brainy is going to make it through next season or not. He looked in pretty bad shape when watching this. This the first time I so believed that Bernie was going to die up until the point where lex comes and says Oh, I've actually duped you again. At which point? No, there's no way they're not going to have brainy be duped and duped and duped and reduced to his twelfth level intellect stupidity. They can't end him on that. I am very confident. He just can't die because he needs a win more of a win. He got in this episode I. Certainly Hope You're right for a really smart person. Brainy is very predictable and so lex head no challenge predicting what Bernie was going to do. It's just a wonder. The brainy didn't realize fat himself. Yeah, he's a nice character. I liked him early on, and he made sort of a nice team with everyone else and with dreamer so now hopefully he gets the second round. I hope more for him to do and that he doesn't stay to. To only either being the bottom of the fish of water shows or being the person that lex pulse on over on constantly the pawn of Lex, I do buy that brainy. Being logical might be predictable because he does what makes sense, and at least he does clearly act faster than lex expected. He does pull off just a little bit in his friends from being murdered, and there's something there. is even if he is is not without some benefit. He did accomplish something. I just think they didn't show him dying. It's really unlikely I think we need to see him. BEAT LAX and I was glad that Nia. Dreamer was finally talked into paying attention to dreams by McGovern, but she obviously should have done earlier, but at the same time I can understand that she just thought it was anger. and sadness about her break up with brainy, intruding itself into her important dreams, instead of realizing that the situation with rainy actually was an important thing that she needed to pay attention to as you stated before she needs practice with her dream interpretation, but it does I agree thematically make sense that she was behind, and I really quite liked. mcgann's seen with her given the complexity of her early relationship with John I thought that. That worked for Lee well. Yes, so a lot of things, conflicts relationships going on in the episode, the Primary One of course for me, being the continuing ongoing of the Lena and Kara relationship and I was glad that they ended up working together well, but I was shouting at the screen when supergirl was rejecting Lena's apology and saying I made one mistake one, and I was shouting back over and over and over again. And saying that she did it only to protect Lena still strikes me as a little self serving, even if corre honestly believes that herself, it's an ongoing character flaw of cars that she submitted critical hypocritical, but at least I think they're finally moving past that she might be a little hypocritical to. Lena Damn, Shem? It's been so long coming I, almost had in my notes. The line car has forgotten, not telling Lena because she was too scared to. And your point is the other one is that it's not like she just made the mistake once, but the real problem was she never tried to fix and that had nothing to do with protecting Lena because she was willing to do it and put it Lena at risk. That wasn't the reason she kept not telling her. She kept not telling her because she was too scared to, and I'll grant Kara. Lena's actions are probably worse car. Did something questionable to try and avoid? Avoid conflict. This is not optimal. Lena was kind of trying to take over the world. There's a scale difference there so I can kind of cope with how the episode frames this because really leaned does have more to apologize here, but yes, it was far too one-sided from my perspective. Yeah, I again have said that I would like more time for Lena encouraged to talk about what happened and a wall I'm glad that this actually did happen. Ultimately rang a loop. It hollow an unsatisfying the way it was done partly because I think the thing with car is that it's kind of like how once you? Lie once you have to keep digging yourself deeper and deeper, and then so she says to keep not. Lena, over and over again, and so she's thought herself into a hole so deep that it becomes very painful to get herself out of, but the other thing is that the way it was resolved, seemed to boil down to Kara, yelling at lean for a while, and then Lena backing off where I felt that that could have been an again. You know granted what David Treasury both wanted out. That Lena has done more bad things, but I thought an icon right now propose alternative, but I thought that there could have been. been a better discussion rather than just. Lena has done more bad things. Therefore car has the moral high ground therefore Lena will just back down. I would argue to me. This episode worked really well. I was happy with this episode because I. Don't think I can really stay mad at people very well. She's just not very good at that. It isn't cars way. As soon as Lena turned, it was not take a very long to accept it I think holding out for the entire episode was actually pretty impressive for Kara. So I didn't have any problem with this episode where I thought that turn and the Lena Dempsey was a bit weak, was really in the previous episode where we saw Lena Fail, and then she is now fully on car aside and takes cars yelling entirely without response. Maybe she should have responded. Maybe there should have been a debate, but it is the change on Lena side that I felt was too quick in the previous episode in this episode. I absolutely by the car just can't hold off wanting to. Quite hugger in this episode. Maybe we'll see that next. It works well for me in this episode. And there were definitely things that I liked a lot in this episode I enjoyed the part where we had three different threads of different people doing stuff, and they all came together with people telling other people to believe in themselves, and it could have been Hokey, but for me, it worked. I really liked it, so you had supergirl telling all the virtual people real people in obsidian beyond. To believe in themselves, and by the way there's a problem with the system and you need to log off right now and just live your life, and at the same time brain, his female alter personality was telling him to believe in himself, and be strong and carry his mission, and finally believed the Lena was telling Andrea to not kill. Superhero, and that also was a believe in people speech and I thought it was effective I thought all three speeches were pretty well delivered, although honestly, I didn't think super girls was really enough to make everybody log off of their VR, but I liked it anyway. It was a well done trio of speeches, and you're absolutely right. That had just been chorus speech. Speech Maya Fall a little flat, but between the editing and the two other conversations going on I thought it was a really great scene and I agree with you. They'll the I believe in you. Lines as the script between the scenes I thought work well and infective. -Ly sold all of it, and that was pretty great knows nice seeing that kind of culmination of the Lena and Andrea Arc because they've been having this relationship across universes gets complicated, but their relationship has certainly been troubled and challenging, and this also culminates that quite nicely. I think a lot of the challenge with Andrea, is she like Mark Zuckerberg seems to not be able to put in his head the consequence of his choices. And she does not really have any idea what actually is happening in the story, and that's unfortunate as he goes around trying to kill people. Yeah I also liked how the episode ended. I was not quite s sold with cameras. Hope speech in the beginning I think the I believe in you. Sequence also editor together, and I think what actually made it work for me was when they played the musical refrain from the bit wedding crap Tom blew up so that music vats effectively sold the hope speech for me, and that's you know music can. is a fine line between using it well ordered emotionally manipulative, but that made it work for me I will say I was kind of hoping, but I knew it wouldn't happen gotta be Nice if We could have cat grant appear in VR in Hafer. Her head just be like a gigantic cat. Graham head talks everyone at the same time. You know how people in space and that you have campground like the size of the Sun that would've been nice alternately. I thought that cars hope speech. The words were kind of like seven so many of them now, so this one. The longest seem quite. Quite as special, the music made it good and the fact that you have three of these going on at the same time, those two things combined made it work for me. Whereas if it had just been Kara saying the words, it would not have worked quite as well. I think we all agree absolute points to the editor of this episode. You did good work, absolutely wonderfully edited episode, Yes! Mentioned briefly two things that really did not work for me first of all Alex's new suit. Yes. Let's talk about that. What okay okay I want to know what the point of outfit is exactly? Guys. I mean all of the Queen has more face paints than she. Is Not a disguised. Even dramatic, I said all the conversations were about a mass Karas glasses at least cover up more of her is. She does have a hood. It's up briefly in one scene well, all of also has a hood and he's though puts more facebook than she does. I mean I think the suit? She swearing-in supposed to be some kind of super suit that will help her. Keep up with you know people with powers, but if the whole point the whole thing that sparked this was the conversation with Kelly about you need to conceal yourself a little better, and no, this doesn't work. No, I mean if anything she stands out now in a way that the makeup literally accentuates her facial features. She looks more like her than ever. She looks great. It's a nice looking outfit. Her makeup looks great. I you know her hair looks great, but it's if anything draws attention to her. While keeping her identity vary in plain view, I think we're all maybe misinterpreting, I think the goal of the suit and the makeup and everything all of this. There's no disguise. Identify stuff none of this because it had to be very attractive to Kelly. And, if we take it from that perspective, I think the suit is a win I'll buy that. It's Martian body, armor, fine, but really this is just because she wanted to wear something Kelly with like, and she succeeded car also liked it her squeals of joy. Scaring John The others John Supposed to be psychic, isn't he? Yes, he's supposed to be able to read minds. We keep forgetting that, don't we? Because the show keeps forgetting that? You and I have questions about. Martian weapon does it follow the Green Lantern Rules where she can make anything she wants whether that she can imagine. That's kind of what it felt like to me. Because if so she needs to imagine bigger things I think she can only imagine things that are connected to her like I don't think she can make objects in general. The weapon is also making the suit which is a nice touch. This show has realized it never wants to deal with people transforming by changing their clothes ever again. Everyone is now transforming by magical click, sir, yields and poof suit itself as also part of the weapon, and its affectively a bayard from voltron. It can be any weapon, and it can be a suit, but don't think you can do anything else of any particular use so for example when they were fighting the Leviathan person. That's essentially storm, intellectual green lightning like could she have made a plastic box to enclose them the lightning? Benders Selah I think she can only make things that are on her body and hand-held. That would be the argument I would give, but this is head cannon upon head cannon. There's no reason it couldn't make a massive shield. We haven't seen it used that way. I don't think because maybe guardian has the rights to shields in this universe, but there's no good reason everything in Mike make might also made of the same material, so it might not actually be electricity. Proof I guess. This is maybe a fundamental flaw with like weapons that are as powerful as you can imagine the missed that like the. One Justice League episode or comic, where Greenland's makes a blender, and then Batman says that you have the most powerful thing in the entire universe. Was blender and so like, and there was another Justice League movie I. Think where Barry is fighting phone and Barry tells on that the issue is that he has the exact same powers, but he has no imagination how to actually use them, and like this made me think of how much more effective what Alex have been in this fight if she could have stretched her imagination as to what she could have done with this weapon that's limited only by the power of her mind. It's always possible. This weapon really can only output the same amount of force, no matter what good looks like and she's just. Just changing. What looks like I have dealt? The show's going to ever give us enough information to build a strong head cannon, but absolutely this could be a very exciting weapon to see with a very magic of writer I agree. I mean. It's understandable that she's still basically learning how to use this thing. Maybe next season we'll see some more creative efforts, and some more a special effects with the whatever the weapon can be formed to I, would love for her to do something truly amazing and truly innovative, and this could be funny like I. Remember that was Spiderman Comic when Spiderman, essentially the fetus. Vacuum cleaner. Before we move onto thoughts about next season. Other thoughts, the other scientific ish thing super science. That bothered me a lot about the episode. Well not a lot, but I really don't think that you're going to help someone. WHO's had left wound by cauterize rising the surface. They're still going to be a lot of internal bleeding. Going on there, so you know William. Day seem to be essentially fine after Kara used her heat vision to seal up the wound. I know it's a minor point, but it was just like no, no, no! As. Super Science goes in this case. Actually I'm on the other side I entirely bought it. Maybe they should have shown us her using one eye and putting a all the way through. And Colorado Front to back, but I thought it was a wonderful little seen. Someone fires a bullet and a good guy actually gets hit. That almost never happens as always I. Suppose Nice to see is the wrong word, but it is at least mildly realistic I love the scenes where Kara says I can cauterize it, but it's going to hurt and William says do it do it Zap, and then he yells, don't do. Sorry She just cauterize enough maybe all the way through who knows, but I I think they played that scene, which was a fair amount of blood, and for this show, which doesn't generally doesn't show very much blood. I thought they played it well, and I can buy that. Her heat vision could do sufficient cauterisation painfully enough to at least slow down the bleeding. Yeah, I thought it was a good Samantha was really funny. Also I guess my only question. Is that the probably quarter rising a bulletin? WHO IS YOU'RE GONNA? Have to get out at some points. It may going through okay, in which case Cuda raising the surface again would not help with the bleeding. Through and through I. Know You both appreciated in pay you know. I got mine seeing Williams days chest, but It's nice to and again. This isn't freezing laser level of super science. Right, we've seen much much worse. Super Science on this show. That's true and it was nice that Eve herself to come down. That was good that it was more complicated than that, but he just basically saw that he was following her and dealt with him, and he tried to talk her out of it, and she listened for little. I know it's like now. No decided. I have to shoot you and she shot. It was pretty effective. You know, and if a super supergirl, Lena hadn't managed to take the bus across town. To Stop Him which also found enjoyable? They took the bus to go to the Corp Office is actually a building about five minutes from my house. Nice little building. It's used in everything. In this case they brisk using cars powers, because violence soon follows right, but it all worked out and one thing wasn't quite sure about with the Leviathan plot, so the whole thing with Gemma Sang. She is going to be coming. And everything was whichever Uber Got US or whatever? This was that Jemma was talking about was she also sucked into the bottle at the end. Well, Jemma wasn't sucks into the bottle, either as far as we can tell it. It seemed like something else was happening to her. My a head cannon, so we've seen four of the League of Ancient Leviathan whatever you WanNa call them which has Jimmy Ted Mack sailor Ramakand There is apparently a fifth. The fifth is their leader. We still know nothing about her might take on. This was for some reason Jim night wasn't pulled into the bottle. Maybe it's because she wasn't with the Group of three that recharged recently or something like that. But. She is all robot, almost superman, three robot, but not quite as a consequence of failing their leader, and maybe their leader did that to her or something like that. There's things that have not really been revealed yet about these guys, and that is definitely one of them. It was very confusing. What happened to Jim night at the end of this episode? Okay, so not just me. NOPE NOPE, they did not explain what was going on. Whatsoever all right so I. Guess, we'll see more of this whole Leviathan plot next season in twenty twenty two. Is it going to be? Or winter of twenty twenty one something like Oh, I was just gonNa say Ramakand said maybe in a previous episode. That's Gemma's human appearance has just essentially a flesh suit right so I read the last seen as all that flesh melting away, and she's left with whatever her. Coming, because I assumed all four of them are the same species and probably slightly related to Crypto. Ways dachshunds are because it's a sister planet but maybe she really isn't the same, and she is kind of terminator like creature. There's a loft has not been said, but you're right. It does align well with what Ramakand was making fun of her. I mean maybe they just have different elements so rama cons. The Rock Person One person's the lightning person and that they will just have the human appearances. Appearances on the outside and like underneath Ramakand, a pile of rocks and then the lightning person that's like electro I. Guess It's possible, and that's certainly how they move around whenever the CGI takes over, and they decide to transport themselves somewhere else, right? They certainly almost always do that by converting into what might be their natural form. This episode does not back down using Avatar the last year bender terminology whatsoever. It's pretty great just wanted to to give you have one brief moment to say what they felt about. Melissa's performance of supergirl as acting Meghan and John being them. Oh. Yes, that was fun. I think she did a pretty good job. My steph hallows reference also saying particularly enjoyed supergirl, being John, complaining, about the shake the chafing of of the tight pants. And even I think her performance as mcgahn felt not like supergirl. I think it was almost almost subtle, but it was effective to have. The voice thing is always a little silly when shows do that, but I actually Kinda liked the scenes I have one other point to raise with William and I think there's a small remind that he also does not know car super grant wondering if he will find out at some point. Kara says she's learned. I think certainly leaving the door open for that, but again he's not going to find it easy forgiving her for you know repeating the thing of keeping her identity secret for his own good, so I am sure she will or do yeah and I. I mean they're not as close as Kara and Lena or so maybe he'll be okay, but that was just a small subtle reminder when I think Lena and car will rescuing William, and that William Quotes Sakala and not knowing that car is super ago, so right and Lena lied to him saying. Oh, I talk Takhar. She's fine, which is a wonderful use of William in that scene like that? That is just such an efficient use of having car and Lena, interacts using William Away. He does not understand whatsoever right just just beautiful. I thought that that she was. was taking up the mantle of lying to someone, and I thought that that played in well to their overall in that episode is very efficient. Yes, I agree yes. Overall I'm still kind of shocked. Still how close we got to having two billion people killed in this episode it basically came down to LEX, talking Jemma into delaying a little bit and I don't know if lex really cared. If do billion people died, but yeah, that was really tight. I would be a massive disruption to the economy. He might care about that I don't snow, but I don't. Don't quite understand how killing half of the population of the planet is much better than killing a quarter of the population of the planet. That's some Thanos level logic that I. don't quite get my head around. It was a delays so that they could kill more people through. That was his argument. Yeah, it was killing. People. Bad is like wait, so you can kill even more people. It's hard to tell with LEX. Really. Yes, he would be okay with killing two billion people but I don't think he would really be happy with an alien killing two billion per. LEX has his priorities one last thing. I really want to give a call at for is whoever in city north finally got permission to fix the bug. They fix that end simulation bug, and that's little software developer also probably saved two billion people because otherwise they wouldn't have been able to end simulation, and they would have been stuck in there and all done. That's right good job. Person who fixed that bug jira closed. Yep. Some maintenance infrastructure person heroically helped save the day. We did not get to see them. So a one thing we did see the end was lex delivering the containerized shrunken quote God's unquote to his mother. Saying, let's get to work. Not so they are presumably working together on some goal, which may be his plan or her plan or some combination of the two but I get you know he's already a hero. In this world, what kind of world domination or universal domination? Is he planning as his next step? Well earlier in the show, we did see technology for draining superpowers. And I think I'd be very tempted to assume that that canister is now going to basically be used as a power source as to what is powering, who knows I would expect it to be a machine, but it's also possible that they're just going to literally inject the power into Lex. Maybe that'll just depend on how they WanNa do the CG so just Lexi think not let sand. Mom Given that obviously. Lillian is the wiser more levelheaded of the two. I'm going to assume the not to give Lillian the power because then she'd win. They'll give it to Lexin. LEX will lose. Yeah, you're probably right about that. And decides. She coldhearted enough to say how he deals with the power before wanting to experiment on herself, but anyway this show has finally given us at least this step of adaption. We had to wait far longer than I would have hoped liked, but we did get there, and it'll be nice to see that that is no longer a plot going forward right well, there may be echoes of it, and there'll still be the William Day, will he or won't he find out about cars secret identity, but yeah, I'm relieved that saw Lena. Came out friends at the end and I think they're going to be working together well again next season I. Hope so anyway if we'd had another episode if they would have really wrapped up the Leviathan. Thing and giving us something totally new next season, but as it is, we're certainly going to see something of Lex and Lillian next season, which I'm all in favor of seeing both of those again, and maybe something more about Leviathan, and the apparently escaped Jemma, and the fifth superior personage of Leviathan. It'll be interesting to see. Oh, I did want to mention one moment one other nice moment from the episode when Alex Hang on the suit and she was going to go save some people and Kara was taking her to be careful, and Alex said you know me hen choruses. That's what I'm worried about. Lena was all watching this from the side and I was imagining her wishing that she had a relative that she should. She could worry about and take comfort from. It seems to me that I saw that in Katie. The actors face. It was just a subtle but very nice moment. I thought Lena has roses. She'd worry about Oh. She can vary. Not In that way. But I mean she has friends. Though so I mean again. I agree it would be nice to see Lena Paul the team again and part of the group I thought that was a really nice dynamic when we had that going, and now we can have that and not have lies between them, so that'll be nice. Look forward to for the next. We'll see a few more game nights. I. Don't Know How World Unit does pictionary. We will find out. But. She likes red wine I. Think Social Fit right in. Okay well. I guess not spelled its. Unless, anyone else has any other points to ponder. I have one of the quick remarkable that same scene When Alex tells car, no super hearing that I imagine it must have been interesting growing up with someone when you can have no secrets from the whatsoever. That felt like a a frequent refrain. Them must have happened in the household when they were teenagers. Right? Okay well I would like to thank both of you for another interesting conversation about this show, and I would like to thank our listeners as always. If you want to continue the conversation with us, you can join us on twitter at S, G, super cast, or you can join the comparable members, slack and talk on some of the sub channels. They're TV or BIFF, or or whatever, and why hope that everyone will stay safe, but I bind fun as always. Thanks for having me absolutely.

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The Murder of Lena and Tommy Peterson

Murder Minute

32:58 min | 9 months ago

The Murder of Lena and Tommy Peterson

"Hey guys I'm Natasha CIANDELLA. From the kind dating podcast where cool guests and I breakdown one dating topic per episode and try to figure out. Why the fuck do we all have commitment issues we cover everything from how to slide in her? DM Sex addiction to friends with benefits. Here's the dope guests like Bollywood superstar. Sonny Leoni comedian. Laura Clary time person of the dear. Dr Wendy Walsh. TB writer therapist. We laugh a lot but we also get mad deep listening. Subscribe to Kinda dating on your favorite podcast APP or check us out at kind of dating dot dot com. Welcome to murder minute before we begin. Today's episode we have an urgent announcement. The State of Texas is scheduled to execute an the innocent man on November Twentieth Twenty Nineteen. Stacey Steitz was murdered in April of Nineteen Ninety six nearly one year later sheriffs arrested a twenty nine year old. Black man named Rodney Reed. He was charged with capital murder citing. DNA evidence matching reads DNA to a small amount of sperm found inside her body. Prosecutors successfully argued that this proved that read was responsible for her brutal sexual assault and murder. Rodney has steadfastly maintained his innocence. No evidence evidence exists that Ronnie had anything to do with Stacy's death Rodney was in a consensual relationship with stacy and the only DNA any of Rodney's that was found was from this consensual relationship the prosecution citing the DNA persuaded an all white. The jury of his guilt. Rodney was convicted and sentenced to die by lethal injection. Currently he is scheduled to die. I in just a few days on Wednesday November twentieth. The original suspect in the case was stacy's fiance. Jimmy Fennel a police officer with a history of violence against women after the murder of Stacey Fennel kidnapped a woman and sexually assaulted her while on duty as a police police officer. He was convicted and sentenced to ten years in prison. Despite sworn affidavits from witnesses establishing that Jimmy Fennel had threatened wouldn't to kill Stacey before and that he subsequently confessed to the crime and compelling Expert Testimony Establishing Rodney Reads Innocence Innocence all request to evaluate new evidence have been unsuccessful. The governor of the State of Texas Greg Abbott is the only person who can grant a stay of execution. We would like to ask our listeners. Who aren't familiar with the Rodney breed case to visit? Is it free Rodney. Read Dot Com. Examine the facts. And if you feel as we do that Rodney Reed was wrongly convicted. Sign the petition. Call the representative presentative or send a clemency letter before it's too late. That's Free Rodney. Read Dot Com F. R. E. E. R. O. D. N. E. Y. R. E. DOT COM. Thank you for your time. Welcome to murder minute on today's episode. Leinna and Tommy Peterson but I your true crime headlines a fifty nine year old Pennsylvania man was killed in his home and now a fourteen year old girl is charged with his murder. Police responded to the home of Albert Albert Chernoff. After a call from a neighbor they found chernoff naked and partially tied to his bed with a large head wound and several lashes on his chest. I he was pronounced dead at the scene. Chernoff was well known in the Philadelphia Area for his dedication to animal rescue. He had once been interviewed for for documentary called the rescuers and after his death the documentary's creator shared a video clip of Chernoff showing off his cat themed tattoos calling curnow gracious soul and praising his kindness on the day of his murder. Witnesses saw a female leaving turn offs property ready before police arrived. That female suspect was also captured on surveillance video from inside Chernoff home which was released by police. The the fourteen year old suspect turned herself into Philadelphia police accompanied by her mother and two attorneys. She's being held in juvenile detention until her next court appearance. which is scheduled for later? This month a spokeswoman for the Philadelphia District Attorney's office said that officials have not yet decided whether to try the the girl in juvenile or adult court thirty seven years after Connecticut woman was killed by a blow to the head from an ax. Her husband has been charged with her murder. Sixty seven year. Old James Krause Nick. Junior was arrested and charged with second degree murder for the nineteen eighteen eighty two slaying of his wife. Kathleen at the time. He told police that he had returned home from work and found his wife dead in their bed with an axe in her skull. All that acts which had been taken from the family's garage had been wiped clean of fingerprints. Police initially suspected that an intruder had killed Kathleen gene. Due to a window that had been broken from the outside the couple's three and a half year old daughter. Sarah was at home with her mother that day and told police that she had seen in a bad man in her parents bedroom. No suspect was ever identified and the case grew cold. Investigators reopened the case in two thousand sixteen gene this time with assistance from the FBI. They did not identify specific evidence that led them to charge krause neck but instead pointed to a variety of evidence that's including the timeline of events and DNA. James Krause. Nick was accompanied by his daughter Sarah and his wife Sharon as he entered his plea of not guilty he was released on bail and will be back in court in January. He maintains his innocence. Bob a twenty one year old Atlantic College student was found dead a week after being reported missing and her roommate and her roommate's boyfriend are now charged urged with her murder. According to court documents. Alexis was killed after getting into a fight with her roommate Jordan Jones at their off campus apartment in the early morning hours of October thirty first. Jones's boyfriend baron Brantley also jumped into the fight and he is believed to have choked Alexis to death. The couple then placed Alexis body in a plastic bin and dumped it in the woods at an Atlanta area. Park days before she disappeared. Alexis went to Grady Memorial Hospital in downtown Atlanta to file a police report which alleged that Brantley sexually assaulted her that report listed Jones as a witness Brantley and Jones. Both twenty one were each arrested and charged with felony murder. Both are being held without bond and it was unknown. If either had an attorney those are your true crime headlines up next. Lina and Tommy Peterson but first a quick break. Have you ever looked at the back of your lotions and potions and taught what are all these chemicals and why am I putting them on my body. 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That's two hundred dollars worth of food size. Beauty fitness and lifestyle products for for just thirty nine ninety nine shipping is free. Treat yourself to the gift that keeps on giving visit FAB Fit Fund van dot com and use the Promo code murder minute. Welcome back to murder minute today. The tragic story of Lena. And Tommy Petersen in Nineteen Oh two in Lee township just north of Moines Iowa on the southwest corner of East Madison and East Fourteenth Street. SAP The modest two story frame home of the Peterson family. Peter Peterson was born in Sweden in eighteen forty four and had immigrated to the United States in eighteen sixty seven at age twenty three. He soon married. Mary Hoffman. Who was born in Iowa in eighteen forty nine and the couple went on to have seven children? The Peterson family were hardworking dairy farmers religious and well respected in the community friends and neighbors described Peter as steady and Mary as a quiet and unassuming devout methodist in nineteen o to the Peterson's oldest child twenty-seven-year-old Harry t peterson was married to Gertrude. attling and moved to sailor township but still living at home were twenty six year old Annette called Nettie. Eighty twenty-three-year-old Willis twenty two year old Laura Bell Nineteen Year Old Martha Mariam and the two youngest fifteen year old. Mary Magdalene Dillon. Who everyone called Blaine and thirteen year? Old Thomas Hoffner Cold Tommy. Lena was tall for her age age. Bright Witty Pretty and popular among her friends at school. Lena was planning to study literature at Highland Park College. Tommy was the baby of the family and was Peter Peterson. Favorite Song and Peter made no secret of this every Sunday. Lena and Tommy Peterson followed a strict schedule enforced by their devoutly religious mother. In the morning they attended services at Highland Park Methodist Episcopal. Church almost a mylan half walk south west of their home then in the afternoon they went to service at Union mission in nearby grandview and in the evening walked back again to their home church coach on Sunday April Thirteenth nineteen o two Leinna and Tommy began their usual Sunday ritual attending church in the morning morning and in the afternoon that evening. Lena and told me returned to Highland Park Methodist Episcopal. Church as usual. You some Sundays. They cut across the fields but that night they took the road when service ended at nine PM. Lina and Tommy headed home. But I they stopped at the Billy Waters Restaurant for a treat bananas and Coconut Candy Anti at around nine thirty PM Lena Tommy. We're getting close to home but they would never arrive. Sixteen year old. Fred Turbie was also at Church services at night and left around the same time at nine pm as he turned off of Madison making his way home he heard three screens. It sounded like some young people just fooling around so fred continued home soon. After sometime between nine. Thirty and ten PM I am. Twenty two year old Ralph Peck was driving his girlfriend. eighteen-year-old noma Mary Spear home to her Parents House. When Ralf turned his buggy on Madison and past the Peterson Farm? NOMA put her hand up for Ralph to stop it. She heard something. It sounded like a camp ground. But when Ralph halted the horses there was silence. Let's as they pulled away. The noise came again. Noma scared something was wrong. Doc Ralph Peck gave the horses full reign and the young couple rushed to no muss aunt. Lizzie an uncle Wesley's house which was closer in the no-man's home. They're noma and her aunt Lizzie. Bolted the doors and waited while Wesley. Day and wealth. Pack Heck drove the Buggy to round up neighbors Albert be called Damn Kerry and like Quinn to investigate Ralph Peck led the group to the location. where he noma had heard the strange sounds and the men fanned out to search in darkness? Here it is. Someone has been murdered. Wesley Day cried out face down in a shallow ditch on the north side of the road. About three feet from the telephone pole was a young man bloody and beaten unconscious his tangled hair was matted with blood but he was moaning. They turned him over but his face was so disfigured that none of the men recognized him nearby on the grass and the roadway a twenty foot trail of blood God showed a fierce struggle where the young man had been dragged from the middle of the street to the ditch as Ralph Peck. Cross the the road to turn the horse and buggy around and go for help. He cried out. For God's sake come here. Here's another body lying in the ditch on this side side. The men rushed over with their lanterns. They're in a three foot. Ditch was the body of a young woman. Her clothing clothing was disheveled and her hat rested on the edge of the ditch. Dan Carey recognized the girl immediately. Really it was Lena Peterson when he remembered that he had seen. The brother and sister passed his house earlier that day he realized but the young man barely clinging to life from the other side of the road. Was Tommy Michael Quinn. Then Road to notify Dr William Beck who then fetched Dr Woods and the two doctors rushed to the scene. Dr Woods grasped grasped Lena's head to raise it but her skull was so badly broken that his fingers went through to her brain. Dr William Back was the Peterson's family physician so he and Wesley Day went to give the family the terrible news. Peter Peterson was asleep when he was roused by a knock at the door when they informed. Peter Peterson the two youngest children had been murdered. He screamed murdered murdered. My God and inside of our home his his wife. Mary Peterson looked as though she were about to faint and then became strangely. Calm the two men an asked Peter to get dressed and come with them. The des Moines leader reported that when Peter Peterson arrived at the scene and I saw the bodies of Lena and Tommy he was seized with quote violent convulsions and had to be restrained as he cried. My God my God my Tommy. My darling boy murdered Oh doctor you cannot mean it. This is some horrible nightmare. You're joking why it's only been a short time. Since he went away so happy I cannot believe they have killed my boy. Tommy groaned as he was placed in an an ambulance and rushed to mercy hospital but just half a mile down the road thirteen. Tommy Peterson died laying beside the body. Thirty of his fifteen year old sister. Lena Peter Peterson told the ambulance to drive to the undertaker. The next morning the Peterson's hired hand James Conley accompanied detectives the Sheriff and the Des Moines Police to look over the field next to the road where Lena and Tommy were found in daylight. The murder scene revealed revealed itself on the north side of the road where Tommy was found. A small depression was filled with blood brains and tufts of of hair on the other side of the road in the ditch. Where Lena was killed? Long strands of hair torn out by their roots were intertwined with grass and matted with brains and dirt tracks from two people led south away from the scene one set of footprints. Were that of a small shoe or boot. The other of an average size perhaps some nine or ten and authorities followed the trail as drew the Oakfield separated around the swamp and doing together again. Then then nothing as detectives looked for clues on the scene. Dr William Back and DR M Smith examined the bodies at the funeral home. Tom had been hit so hard on the back of his head. That three or four fingers could be placed inside the fracture. His body had been pummeled. His collarbone was broken. His jaw was crushed and the wounds were rough and jagged as though he had been beaten with a brick the undertaker washed lane China's long. Blood matted hair once clean and dry. The full extent of the brutality inflicted on her was visible. Lina had been struck at least twelve times in the head. They also reported that her vaginal cavity body was badly lacerated. Discharging blood and a slimy substance. The Coroner William Back back issued a statement. That Lane Peterson had been raped and murdered so that she couldn't tell and the Tommy was killed trying trying to protect his sister's honor. The community was in shock. Farmers left their fields and traveled to the Peterson's to extend their condolences and help the Family Lennon. Tommy's classmates draped there now. Vacant desks asks flowers in the two schools were dismissed. Classes were also dismissed at Highland Park College where the students were were so excited and upset that they walked in large numbers to the murder scene offering to aid investigators in their search when hundreds. It's gathered at the undertaker. To view the remains mortician as Rosella ver was forced to close and lock the doors leading only friends friends and relatives. Pass the bodies of Lena and Tommy were then transported home to the Peterson House. Mary Harry Peterson sat calmly between the two caskets. Leinna on her left and Tommy on her right. It was only last last night that they went away smiling and happy with their mother's blessing. She said touching the coffins was last night too. They came to me cold and death. It is the Lord's will and his be done. But shock and sorrow would soon soon turn to anger as the community looked for someone to blame someone who was different an outsider. The press encouraged by law enforcement focused on the black coal miners. Who Rode streetcars from Des Moines to highland park and then walked on north to the coal camps quote? The nature of the crime caused the conclusion to be reached that that it was the work of Negroes The des Moines daily leader wrote although the police are not proceeding on that theory alone with Sunday off. They reasoned many of them would have been returning from the city at the time of the murders immediately. A A witch hunt for black suspects began on the morning of Monday April fourteenth a thirty two year old miner John Hutchinson Anson a five foot. Eleven inch one hundred seventy five pound black man with a moustache described by the press as being quote rather good-looking. Who'd looking walked past the highland park fire station a fireman noticed him and thought that Hutchinson looked unquote apprehensive and cautious as he boarded a streetcar to Des Moines? He notified police. There and Hutchinson was arrested arrested. The des Moines Daily News claimed that Hutchinson's shoes seemed to match one of the tracks at the murder scene that he had blood on his shoes and overcoat and that a button from female underwear was found under the flap of his hugh. When word spread that a black suspect was in custody being questioned a mob of angry whites gathered around the jail jail threatening lynching the Des Moines Daily News reported that quote Negroes were greatly wrought up by threats and that seventy five excited and restless? Black men had to gathered near the jail at the saloon. The Daily Daily News reported it stated that a large number of Negroes are still armed and that pockets which bulge in a suspicious way are frequently noticed. All of the men seem to be peaceably disposed but it is thought that at a moment's notice enough armed negroes would appear to precipitate a race war in response. The Mayor James M Brenton forbade pawn shops from selling weapons weapons or ammunition but only two black men. The yelling agitated crowd outside terrified. The twenty five prisoners is being held inside the jail. Jailer James Shortall armed with a winchester stood guard at their cells sells and declared that he was prepared to lay down his life. That quote the Majesty of the law might be enforced the Des Moines Daily News reported that at age thirty. PM Mayor Brenton addressed the crowd from the jail. Boys I ask you you in the name of the law and order to go quietly away and not stand here this way. You may incite a riot. There's no one in jail. Charged with any crime. Voice yelled out from the crowd cursing him the mayor replied if it wasn't for this crowd I'd trim you up up where you stand boys I ask you to go away from here and I'll tend to this sucker when I catch him on the street. Mayor Brenton ordered the streets patrolled from six 'til midnight and issued instructions to disperse any gatherings near the jail quote regardless of color or previous obvious condition of servitude. Weapons were confiscated. A few arrests were made and Mayor Brenton detained taint the man who cursed him. When Mary Peterson heard that a lynch mob had formed? She dropped to her knees and holding. Her Bible prayed aid that quote. The men might repent before it was ever lastingly too late and asked God to have pity on an and forgive the killer. Lena and Tommy's minister. HP Adams told reporters it makes my blood blood boil to think of the crime. I hope though that calm deliberation will result and that the law will be allowed to take its course the next morning the crowds at the jail had dispersed detectives interrogated John Hutchinson but he. He maintained his innocence insisting that the blood on his coat was from hunting. Small game and Hutchinson had an Alibi Highland Park. livery men John Matthews told police that Hutchinson came to his barn at eight PM. Sunday night to be driven to Marcus. Fill in that. The two were together together. At the time of Leinna Tommy's murder he added Hutchinson was a man of good repute. Hutchinson's Anson's White Co workers came forward in agreement. Police then decided to perform a microscopic examination. Up The blood on Hutchinson's coat. They concluded that it was animal. Blood and Hutchinson was released. Police leased then set their sights on two black men who were reported riding a freight train. East they were arrested and interrogated but released least when police admitted that they were detained only because they looked suspicious when two black men whose quote faces faces and actions according to the Cedar Rapids Republican indicated that they belong to the criminal class were noticed at shells Berg. They too were arrested. One man's coat had bloodstains. When they like Hutchinson's were determined to be animal blood? Authorities released the men on the outskirts of town but swore to keep an eye on them because they were undoubtedly suspicious vicious characters. Farmers began to claim that chickens meat vegetables and fruit were being stolen from their land and asked the sheriff to urge the mine operators to stop using quote Negro Labor because they claimed the average character of the colored laborer was bad and many were ex convicts an accusation they likely read in the Des Moines daily leader which editorialized quote. Many of these Negro miners are reported to have done time in southern penitentiaries before being brought north by the mind bosses the daily leader however acknowledged that many black citizens were estimable men and women who were welcomed by the community unity but no did quote it is the special duty of the colored people of the city to join in seeking the killer out. This has been murder order minute next week. Part two of the story of Lena and Tommy Peterson for true crime anytime download at the moment at APP or follow us on Instagram facebook at murder minute.

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Supergirl Season 5 Episode 13 Review MyxzFlix - Super Tuesday Recap

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36:30 min | 5 months ago

Supergirl Season 5 Episode 13 Review MyxzFlix - Super Tuesday Recap

"MTR network. We are back for another super girl Super Tuesday and you've probably just listened to our last supergirl Super Tuesday episode. Sorry forgetting that one out so late but you know things happen. I am Shanna. I am joined by the doctor. And we hear talk about supergirl season five episode thirteen also known as it's a super life with the downgrade and Mr Mr Piglet. Okay so I'm just happy that at least like I'm upset because like I really liked the other actor but I'm just happy to at least acknowledge that they were giving us like bootleg downgraded Mr Mix. I was like he gets to be fine like well. We knew our own but I like the active did a good job. Yeah just like he was like yeah so before. Our China impressed you a little bit better. Say I was very pleasantly surprised that this wasn't a bait and switch. He was just there to be an evil shit. He was genuine there to try to help her. I'm like I like this. I appreciated that Yes so is Q. He gave her the opportunity to Go back and see if she could find a place in time to tell Lena her secret. That was better than the alternative would be. So I like this because it gave us a chance to like revisit some old characters they got all the guest stars win was back see. Wins out really gone. They found another reason to bring him back And we also kind of got to see what these different alternatives like these times in the story where we were like. Oh you should. It's older. We Shu we also got to see Neha level up her powers and it was funny like the win. They're watching. They're watching like they're watching it on TV. What's going to happen next? Yeah so I guess we can talk about each of the different times so the first time that they go back is win. It's right before Lena. Or right after Lena developed the Kryptonite to stop rain so She goes back to right around that time and tells the truth and then the fallout from that which I also like because for the first time was later because I thought the second time was when they were trying to stop rain in that wound up with Lena being dead yet so dead. The first time was after she had used the Kryptonite thing to stop. Two separate rain from Sam saved him from being rain so this was Kinda like post. No her right because what happened is Ran A SAM. I mean Lena goes to metropolis. Talk to Sam about it. Because was that in the fallout happens. Cared by okay. Now I remember okay. So she goes to see Sam after finding out. That car is super girl because she she has this conversation with Sam where she's basically like Supergirl was so upset that I created this Kryptonite and car a as my friend was so understanding. And like you know like actually listen to me and I don't know which person like how come really feels about me and and she thinks I'm a villain. Yeah and I love that scene with Sam and Lena Yeah because it it found you know she's like it wasn't even as she was so much mad it was just like I don't know her. I don't know who to what what to believe. And also it reminded me Dat. Lena and Sam were really close like they were friends as they wouldn't go span. Yeah so especially. I know I feel like less so we also hate it on but like I really late. Can't we just have sampack and Sam be Lena's friend because I feel like me Lena knees girlfriend and I don't want it to be under. Well I mean Andre is not her friend Lee already made that declaration and it was the healthiest like girl relationship. I believe Lena's ever had if we're honest so I I want Sampack. Lena needs a buddy. I don't want it to be Andrea. Clearly her and Kara are not happening anytime soon. Sounds like she needs a buddy. I'm missing. They conveniently left out. Sam's daughter often school probably hit puberty. They can't get away with it. Sounds like she's probably growing now. It was okay like it was so beautiful. Like that scene. Where Sam Osama's all like a villain if anything your hero and Blah Blah Blah and. I'll say oh this is a really. I really liked this version of things where you know. Lena has Sam and she feels like she can work through like not knowing from the beginning and Blah Blah Blah and. They're like two seconds later was like. Oh You die you did. Oh this is great. In terms of like Lena's Development and growth. But you did and you so alex all at the grave like I'm so sorry so then the next one is the one going back to the Sam when she was still rain and before Lena develop the Kryptonite thing so I. It went very fast for me. I didn't understand the how it worked out. That was there. I think become shit and just watched his Howard ago. He never because he left for some reason. But because Li oh that's what it was because she told Lena Lena had to do something different. Selena NEVER DEVELOPS THE KRYPTONITE. Which doesn't trigger some future event. That calls him back sooner round because remember she never developed the Kryptonite. She worked on a different method. That eventually got her money killed because whatever she wasn't enough. Okay all right. 'cause I was just like I don't understand how in this reality Mono returns but I was I gave for. Chris would get your checks because he also just did a two episode guest star on legacies guessing all over the place. I was so upset to spoiler if you watch legacy because his characters like a super villain on legacy is a. He's like one of those villains where he's just unrepentant. He don't give a fuck you always bad and your redeemable and I was like so excited to see him back in and then at the very end of his guests whatever they cut off his head so he's not gonNA come back L like he's one of those like lex where like I want them to beat him but I don't want them to beat him too much like I want them to beat him in the leg. Lock him away so he could come back again so he they bring L. Back. I Love I love I'm not going to be able to see his name. Mixie way he goes. I ever saw what you saw him. In fact he's gorgeous. 'cause Melissa gave him the look like that is my husband. Can't not Kara. And that's the now is Melissa. Lake Muscadet is my husband. There is okay was he like went to save the day and he was a what is she. She's she's a beam me up mixie bad jokes in this way. It was really cute. And this was when Lena died in this. One and Mel Diet is the whole point of this episode. We're going to be that everything happens for a reason and things just have to happen the way they're supposed to happen. That's exactly the message. Yeah I was just like out there. Getting at what? You didn't like that message. I didn't like it but I was just like okay. Whatever life lessons things are supposed to happen to is supposed to happen? You just have to deal with them. I could see where you're going with this but okay. Whatever you'll see we got to mature thing I get us. Why are you talking like that? And then the it didn't go so then. The next reality that they went to was when she toll Lena almost from right when they met so lena hit her with that. I'm not here to make friends America's next top model classic line and tells her right away and that kind of just results in them being this the super team. It's just the sorry go ahead. Yes no new Super Luther team up but then the downfall is that Chad Lowe's Colt goes worldwide to the point. Where Lockwood dumb ass family worships her in such a way that they kill themselves waiting for them to say or so? He's still goes dark side but now four different so this reality basically made me realize that matter what happens Sam Whitworth is gonNA find a way to blame somebody else for his daddy being them. 'cause that was literally what and his kid in this particular case is just like so because your family is stupid. We all gotta suffer a screen. That that's the that always the way right especially with us Yeah so but I do enjoy seeing Sam with. We're back again. And they even brought Oh boy I can't remember his name. The character oldest. Yes they even Otis back so you got odors you guys Sam. We're we're Chad. Lohman with the call row. Apparently banks are trending. Lena convinces car to get banks banks. That was the other thing that was funny with them. Doing these flashback scenes and having to put Melissa in that week because she has bangs. Now I really appreciate it. They're busy and you could tell I don't know I feel like they threw that bangs line in there because halfway through film in the flashback scene somebody was like this week is not working except I was like. Oh No we got. We got to do something about this hair. Y'All got the right this and you know how they they have a writer like whoever wrote the episode is usually on set to do rights or whatever and watch him and make sure that they're they're keeping what they need to keep. I bet you lake. Somebody walked over to the writer and was like. Is there any way that we can write these bangs into some of these flashbacks because this week is not working because at first I was like Melissa? Looks Weird and I can't figure it and I was like Oh Bang. Bang Bang Bang. Bang fails to with the BANGS. It wasn't until I saw her in those like flashbacks with the way that I realized how cute her bags are like. She looks so much better with it. You know it was so cute. When her and Lina teamed up just like how she she was like my brother. My cousin in your brother got it wrong we can. We can work together. We can make this happen. And then they were like best friend they they D- Did up super friends to That Lena was like at her mother's trial. She didn't give up Kara even when homeboy told her his little sad sob story. She still didn't give Kara. But you I mean that's right or die right here and then in in car for her. She tells her secret for her. And so it and she does the whole instead of the I am Batman or like you know. I am the Green Arrow. Reveal all the superheroes when they reveal their secret. I I and she does the. Im supergirl rips her shirt open route. You had to poke your chest out like that. Maybe I think they get the point when they say the outfit but okay I was waiting for like one woman in the audience gasp and be like I do declare she got her bosoms out the review. Act Children. Present mayhem please. Think of the children Yeah so she pulls her boobs out. No I'm fucked up because I was watching a fan react channel two episodes game with rose and all. I could think was fuck them. Fuck off my favorite episode. But yes she she moves out and goes and Save Lena and it seems again seems like a great reality. I'm all except apparently everyone else does. It's FA- is so fucked up too because you know ONA's like okay. Let's let them die or is like no. We don't keep our word on this one. Yes if there's a loser body like we said we wouldn't kill these two wheezing and by eighteen buddy holly which I was kind of so this is my issue with this one. It was my issue with this one and then also my issue with the one. I feel like there was another reality era. Like no this could have worked out but with this one I was Kinda Lake. I mean if you if you take anything to. It's like end of the road conclusion Especially if you're a superhero and the people you love are like constantly in danger right then. There's a good chance that there is a a a future a reality in which like you know Alex dies. It's not necessary or like Nia dialed dies or John. You know what I'm saying. It's not necessarily a result of that particular thing you telling Lena at that point in time leads to this leads to this leads specifically to this so it was kind of like if you know that. That's a possibility. Can't you change it? I was like this feels like a pretty good reality to me. Let's try this one out because I just yeah. I don't honestly believe like I could. I could have more been like that changes so much other of like you know 'cause we just did the whole crisis thing right baby. Something like that like truly changes the trajectory of the universe. But I guess it's like between legends and between Flash and like all these shows have kinda played with time. I do understand like one event being significant but I don't know if like that necessarily means like her telling at that point in time music every single thing because yeah so I was Kinda and less love in this reality. Let's just try it on the triumph assignments. You know like maybe you can save them now. You know like that one felt like the best one to me and I just wanted it to work out. A practice embody got murdered again them. I don't maybe maybe it. Why why this league And then the final reality is the one in which she doesn't. Tell Lena and her and Lina don't ever become friends which I knew even before she went to check that reality out I was like there's no no good comes from world where you in. Lena were never friends. Come on. I mean that's the one thing we can say about. Cara is like her like hope and optimism and goody two shoes nece definitely rubs off on everybody and I was like before. Lena and carbon came friends she was about a half step away from being full on total villain. So I did. I knew that reality was gonna be fucked because Luton Lou the on your father lack strategy killer and hang on it. Mama didn't give a fuck leg strength workman kids now and she turned brainy evil. Reign was still there. 'cause like you know they got home grow back they was gonNA use her in. Every flashback was there and him in car had another heart to heart. Talk because again germy Jordan. They look they were like we were paying guest star. Money role is worse. Exactly they're alive. We will be using you every hour that we can Mondale there with his Cape. I never liked Manila though. I remember that the Cape fills a bit. Much is the one thing that you've been consistent about. But he did his booth thing. He looked good but just the came to nine an hour. Quite loved the game We didn't we didn't talk about this but at the beginning when mix he shows up. Alex and John Are there and again. I feel like this is another. We're Josh shows up. He's like hi. Everybody in these paintball wicks ought to play ball and were they were this. He's not the end for like this big fight scene with rain and brainy and then he was there at the very end like well glower back in this reality David. How're you doing something else? Does he have another project going on? He asked for some time off. Work that is. That's gotta be it. Although Dexter from shattered The former formerly known from shadow dog productions made a good point on twitter today. He's he t sue. What did he say he said In this is the CW shows of the original cast of supergirl. Only three of them are left Let me find it Of the nine leaves in the pilot of legends of tomorrow to will be left after Brandon Lee of the seventies Arrow pilot three were regulars in the last season he was talking about and there were six leasing supergirl and only three are left. And he's like you know. This isn't normal for television. But my actually my normal for television. Well I think it's actually is normal for television. Where recently because normal for television now to have so many leads back in the day had one maybe two principles. Yeah and I think I mean Michael Ford also made a good point like you know. They're all the way up in Vancouver and Vancouver is a cheap and easy place to film. Television shows sure. But if someone's trying to break into like the movies that's not necessarily the best place to be in terms of auditioning and being available for gigs and stuff like that. But at the same time you could also yeah like if you're interested in primarily during TV like that was the whole thing with Emily Bet records from Arrow is that she's from Vancouver so narrow was like her first gig she landed and then she became a series regular and she kind of just built her name on Arrow and folks didn't realize like so when she finally did go down to La she had you know all this stuff in place you like agent in place and all that kind of stuff so she was like booking major auditions off of that. When really era was the first thing she had ever done. Okay yeah versus like a lot of people who do the thing where they go to California and try and break in and it you know they don't have anything set up so you could technically now. If you were a actor like you could go to someplace like Atlanta. Orbi uncover where they film a lot of stuff and and kind of try and like break in like around the system just little tips and tricks there for folks interested in getting into the production. But it's like you don't have to necessarily go to California. I mean I get it but I feel like that's pretty common for TV though for especially when you start getting into like your fifth and sixth show because now mo- season most shows don't last pass like three or four seasons so think when you start getting into like your fifth and sixth season. I don't think it's uncommon for your kind of leads from the beginning to have left like what season is grey's anatomy season fifteen and. I'm sorry what I in supernatural grazes and like seasons fifteen or sixteen and I think at this point the only people that were there from the absolute first episode of the show are Meredith Ellen Pompeo Bailey Chandra Wilson and the chief James Perkins Street here. I think those are the only three people that are in the first episode and are there and that shows started with something like eight league. Yeah and I remember. It was like a big deal when it was only meredith and Alex left from the original interns that the show was about some. I'm not surprised is what I'm saying. And they had a little moment to at the end where they were like. You know original team supergirl three of us as well. So after all of this Cara learns that things are what they are she. She shouldn't keep blaming herself for not telling leaner earlier because no matter what it would be consequences no matter when she told her which is also kind of a cheap way of letting her off the hook. Well I don't think so. Because she made a good point she was like you know what? Maybe I should've told you. Maybe I shouldn't have. We will never know but if you want to continue to act like a Brat about it definitely I'm not owning up. I'M NOT GONNA be the fall guy for your poor as decisions based on some hurdles feelings. Now mind you know a lot nicer than just said it. But then there's not much nicer. She literally said that. Wrote this quote down. I'm not I'm done blaming myself for your bad decision and I was like. Ooh A burn has home. Hearts heart felt that side. Damn car. Look I loved it as you read it earlier making mortices I love it with my girl gets saucy like telling about themselves girl come through blaming myself a yoga decisions and just to be clear. They are bad. If you fuck up I'm coming at assets and I think even more than her saying that I think what hurt the most and she knew it when she said it was when she said. I'm GonNa come at you just like I do anybody else back by other bad guy any other villain because I think that word in particular is like a trigger for Lena yet but Lena's doing some villainy villain. I mean we. I've been saying for a while. I was like girl at the beginning of the season when she was like. I'm not the villain here. I was like but you act very villainy. But you know it's like it's you know a person will say something that can be truthful but I think because she used that particular word Bill and she knows that that word is it trigger for Lena she does but I also feel like she was trying to do kind of a little wakeup call like a aside from. Not only you choose. I've never lied or been evil about anything. So if I'm telling you fucking up you fucking up. I mean she wasn't wrong. I was just like Oh i. I felt that like I personally am. Am You know I am hurt Lina right now? You say you know he's like I know right now. She looks angry but she's crying on the inside. Hit Doug Tyler. Really Do. They really do. I didn't watch the preview for next week and then last week when we were recording. That was the reason why I I couldn't so sure at the end was because I was looking at the cast list for this week's episode and I saw all the guest stars that we're going to be on dope so I deliberately did not watch anything for next week's episode but now that car has drawn a line in the sand. What are you excited to see next? Who I don't know I was worried about this week's episode. I'm just I just WanNa see where we go from here. Is Lena Guan I mean. Do we get back. Get Her bad well. So here's the thing I think. Even though those were alternate realities he had his Mix Flix and the VHS tapes. Right so my thing is. I mean. I don't think car like watched the tape. I don't understand why they were. The tape was still exists. We love but don't think our watched the tape but I think there's kind of a reminder wakeup call I think all this he I think he kind of knew that she needed to go on his journey to get her head out of our ass and this is what he was trying to do for her. He never expected her to take up on offer really. Resetting needed her to see like girl. You've got to snap out of it. You can't keep you can't keep taking the fall for other people's for choices and that's what you're doing but at the same time there there were some and that's what I think the tape was. There were some hints inclusion in there for Kara about. What's going on and like the fact that Lena in that one future turned brainy. Yes Oh yes with working with legs. Yes the Q- What ways and so like it's stuff like that where I'm Kinda like. I know those were alternate reality is car but I need you to take some of the things you saw and learned. Live them and learn from them. So that's kind of when I wanna see I wanna see if Kara becomes a little suspicious or starts watching especially with Brady being named the head of the show That would be dope. I WANNA I wanna see how she because she does know that. Lena's working with LEX. I WANNA see how she kind of watches Lena and watches the other people around. Lexin like hopefully get some clues about what's going on. Yeah also usually cars not the one to figure out what's going on this is also true is like whoever the person is like launches an attack. And that's when Kara realizes what's been happening right under her nose. I would love a season. Where car kind of figures out? That people are doing shit before they actually attack her show as a metal never happened. I don't have to be Sherlock but God like you know. Sometimes the clues be dropping and she don't even pick them up she doesn't know what the rockets cooking not. Oh so yeah. That's what I WANNA see. That's what I would love to see. Is Kara get a clue or at least pay attention to the ones that they're clearly giving her about Yeah so unfortunately I did not get a feedback post up. That was my bad. I honestly thought is scheduled it. I don't know if facebook was messing with me or what but I'm pretty sure I hit schedule but okay so our next episode is not. The show is not back until Sunday. March eighth so we have next week off We will be back the following week to take all your commentary and your questions and all that other good stuff and anything else coming up anytime soon. Nothing I can think of no I do know that the weekend after that we can. After March Eighth I am headed to Emerald City comic con in Seattle Anthem. Super excited this year. A lot of the special guests are the cast from Umbrella Academy Ooh so. I'm going to try and set up some interviews with them if I can and it's just one of my favorite conventions there's always like really really good creators there and they're always down to just Chat and talk so I appreciate that convention because one where you can actually just go up to someone's table and talk for like twenty thirty minutes in there like this just Chitchat. Let's just shoot the shit right and yeah that's about it so I appreciate you thing appreciate you offer listen to US ramble and for dealing with us not always being timely but always being entertaining looks out the interference.

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Lebanon on the brink

Monocle 24: The Foreign Desk

30:08 min | 3 weeks ago

Lebanon on the brink

"It is no small thing for the people of Lebanon to describe something as a crisis, things that the citizens of many other countries would think of as a crisis regarded by Lebanese as an inconvenience or a hiccup or Wednesday. A Lebanese person born at the end of World War Two has lived through a fifteen year civil war, barely countable of invasions, interventions, and occupations, recurrent domestic terrorism and sectarian skirmishing and more or less ceaseless, political and economic turmoil. Even by those standards, however, what is occurring in Lebanon right now is a crisis late last year. Lebanon was convulsed by demonstrations which began as protests against a proposed tax on what's up Kohl's, but escalated into expressions of much wider grievances. The protesters were not short of material. Lebanon's economy was failing the currency collapsing supplies of food and energy unreliable. The governing classes perceived not without reason as inept, indifferent and corrupt Prime Minister Saad Hariri resigned in January. But Lebanon's problems were always bigger than one man, and that was before covid nineteen struck. How did Lebanon get here? Again is the peaceful and orderly way out of this, if Lebanon is once more on the brink. What is it on the brink of? This is the foreign desk. For a long time, Lebron has had the puppies that prompted this protest movement. The of the end of last year was mostly a hateful one. It was frustrated, but it was hopeful towards nets have a change for the better. Let that country they deserve as we deserve the rights. What's happening now is very different this via. He's all red protest. The genuinely concerned about feeding families paying by renting homes. There is a big big role with international institutions. Step in and the system is usually the way that we can stop getting out of the start afresh with the proper for recovery program. The key issue here is that this new cabinet in Lebanon is very much representative of. The same political class that has been ruling the country for decades now and the political class is tone deaf to the demands of the people and their needs, and this is the crux of the problem. Hello and welcome to the foreign desk I'm Andrew. Mullah guests today, Lena Katina and Layla. Milana Allen Lena Katina is the director of the Middle East and North Africa program at Chatham House and Layla Moulana. Allen is France twenty four's correspondent in Beirut. Welcome both to the program Leyla. I'll start with you in Lebanon if one was to take a stroll through by route right now today. What indications would you see of the problems? Lebanon is having. Closed shops and bars people inside shops, doing things like asking the cashier to stop touching items when they get to a certain price on the phone to their partners, trying to figure out how many items they can afford to buy their no prices now on items in most shots because they're changing every day, people still queuing outside banks trying to get them money. People going through bins of his point trying to find food, I don't want to state situation. You know we're not chaos yet. Some people have been saying, but it is very very clear that the situation is getting increasingly discover people. Very consent. Just to follow that up, Layla. That situation Lebanese now in is it a point that everyone feels like? They've arrived at very suddenly. You're of people being braced for this for awhile. Because obviously well I, it's hard to pick a point in recent history, which Lebanon hasn't had problems, but in recent months in particular, they've been large-scale demonstrations going on as far back as late last year. Two aspects to this side that obviously for a long time has had the problems that prompted his movement, but the purchase at the end of nausea was mostly a hopeful one. It was straighted, but it was hopeful towards nets have a change for the better. Let's have a better country we deserve. We deserve the rights. What's happening now is very different. This is fear. bread protests when he genuinely concerned about seeding that families paying rent being able to heat their homes in the coming months, situation is ready changed, and so while there's been bradfo decline in this situation since the end allows Jason says. Says, he come-. Crisis started over the last couple of months things at escalated enormously because originally last year, the exchange rate was about fifteen hundred zero to the dollar. Just a couple of months go was still at around three, thousand, five, hundred, four, thousand. That's suddenly Smith Down to around nine thousand just a few weeks. Just to give you an example of how much it's affecting people's daily lives traditionally a bus van. There are informal vans head workers. Transport has cost one thousand lire for trick. That's now up to three hundred. Larry H. Shed taxi was two thousand. That's now up to three thousand lire. Tons money some people though sounds like small amounts of money, but that's a between thirty and fifty percent increase in the most basic daily things that people do if you have to get to work if you have to feed your family through the more than fifty percent of people in Lebanon, her now living in poverty that's increasing by the day that is a desperate situation, and then on top of that suddenly there are so many shortages because the dollar crisis with Lebanon in portable as But it's affecting everything that's always been power problems. Government supplied power problems, but now the power cuts in the capital city, going up to twenty hours a day, and the only other auction net. He's incredibly expensive generators. The people pay for his extra, but now there's a fuel shortage from the dollar shortage as well which means that even the generators have been Kendall people have been without power for days, so we'll the longtime that has been a decrease in living condition. It's massive left last couple of months. Lena suspect there isn't a short answer to this question, but is there a particular reason why that optimism that Leyla was speaking about that animated? Those protests has proved to be misplaced basically what has gone wrong in recent months? I don't think the optimism was misplaced. Such as it was hoping to achieve a result that the reality of Lebanon proved to be very difficult to achieve, and that's because in previous rounds of protests in the past cabinets did fall to be replaced by new cabinets that at least engaged in some cosmetic reforms, but now the cabinet did fall as a result of the protests in October, but it was replaced with a cabinet that has basically been doing very little. Basically nothing they claim that ninety seven percent of their promises have been achieved, but the reality on the ground shows about nothing has been achieved, and I think the key issue here is that this new cabinet in Lebanon is very much representative of. The same political class that has been ruling the country for decades now and the political class is tone deaf to the demands of the people and their needs, and this is the crux of the problem that they see in protests as threat to the status quo and holding onto this tattoo school. They basically are acting as if the Lebanese population does not exist so you have a fundamental breakdown in the social contract lately, you mentioned earlier the FIA that. That people are expressing and it's. It's hopefully not being glib to say that given Lebanon's history Lebanese, not the people who frighten easily they are a resourceful and resilient bunch. They've needed to be, but what is it? That's getting it. People about this is the evaporation of their savings is at the just the basic stuff that you most of us take for granted like reliable Powell, which Lebanon very much does not have at the moment. WHAT ARE PEOPLE FROYO indulge? And it's all of those things and Jeremy you know this. Of course there is this idea that the knees are incredibly resilient and resourceful emerge state of having to be resilient and resourceful, because they government does not provide for them. The decades now have been these problems in DEMOC can the way the government is run and those an essay published last week by the He said I am so tired of being resilient. The decades Lebanese people have patched over the failings of that government by finding their own ways to do things, and now the point where they calm, because whatever it is creating successful business building up those savings of me. Savings has been have been decimated because the car. Ninety. It's the money in Donnas but the banks have now said we imposing own daughter rate, and so actually money is not worth it will, so people are looking at families and seeing the elderly parents that were time savings gone. Old People Happen to rush the amount of food. They can eat so on the one hand. You've got fury that the government does not seem to be doing anything to actually help people in this situation on the fact that we have these falling different currency exchange rates on the street. People don't know how much that money is left and they don't. Don't know how much they can have to pay for their daily commodities. It really is a struggle to actually even figure out what you're going to do to keep your family going. Let alone any sort. future plans Lena Lebanon is also suffering as most countries of from the coded nine hundred and pandemic, which obviously isn't helping, because it doesn't help with anything, but is what we're looking at in. Lebanon would variation on this be happening anyway is is covid nineteen. Actually a significant factor here covid nineteen, just added to the woes of Lebanon because the economic crisis was already. Deteriorating quite rapidly and then the covid crisis man that those relying on daily Labor to make a living couldn't make this living anymore because they had to stay at home, and therefore yes, the corporate crisis did successor Bait the economic situation in Lebanon particularly for the poorest members of Lebanese society, and we've now reached a degree in which the estimate is sixty to seventy percent of the Lebanese, population is now below the poverty line, which is something unprecedented in Lebanon even during the civil war. Did Not Happen. The only comparison people are making is World War One when Lebanon suffered from famine, this is the second worst since then so it is quite significant Lena Kuttab Leyla, Milana Alan. We'll have more from you both later in the show. Do stay with us. The collapse of Lebanon's currency. In recent months has been both a symptom of the country's crisis and an accelerate. It is a terrifying thing for a national currency to hemorrhage value, especially when the country in question imports as Lebanon does roughly eighty percent of what it consumes. Lebanon is not the only country whose currency has undertaken such a plummet in recent years Venezuela's Bolivar Argentina's peso and Zimbabwe's dollar have all suffered similarly the lost of these to the extent that Zimbabwe abandoned its own currency shortly after having printed in two thousand, nine, a one hundred trillion dollar banknote, which was worth more or less nothing. To discuss why currencies begin dying, and whether they can be revived. Is The economist Vicky Pryce? Lebanon is diverse Fisher case. He's going to be remembered that for a very long period of time. The Lebanese pound was pegged to the US dollar at one thousand five hundred pounds to the dollar, and it works reasonably well kept inflation down, and and the economy was doing okay of coast every now, and then it'd be the problems of a war zone around it, and from had politically itself. But if only it was growing to reasonable rate, but also things happened and one of the things close is being this slowdown in the world economy, and the facts that remittances of coming from abroad extended coming before unquote. This is where in dollars and they would was attended some amazing rates higher than one that they were pegged and efficiently at the banks and the banks for years using the money. To finance imports help companies also goes by government runs. So that begs sort of worked while in the says were high, and then they started fooling quite significantly because of the folks in the Gulf more generally and rice, coming down, and also because of the money that was coming in with being used, supports a huge amounts of refugees coming in. To the country because of the Syrian rule. So the pressure on government, finances was considerable. And it was quite obvious to that because. The world was down and reminisces were fooling. The economy was also suffering. I mean the the the very strong Lebanese pound against the dollar. The time will cement that there was. Importing the impulse cheap very little incentive to export, because Lebanon pound was actually on the strong. With result because of the economy wasn't doing very well recently, and the estimates were twenty nineteen something like. Five percent decline in GDP. was unsustainable. Basically money wasn't coming in balanced, famous will suffering, but also the same time government deck was very high, and by the time the latest crisis happened the that unification was about two hundred and fifty percents, so it was unsustainable when currency collapses like this, and this is far beyond the usual parameters of how currencies fluctuate in their relationship with each other. To what extent is driven by economics, and at what point does it become a sort of psychological issue at which a critical mass of a given country's population just decides these banknotes, not worth anything. That can have been quite easily, but economics master minded quite significantly, but the can't be a point where you just lose confidence in the government, you lose confidence in your banks, and you're trying to withdraw your money, or or take it out somewhere or converted, which is actually what happens. Most Times converted into. The currency on the moment you start doing that, you try and sing basically selling your currency. Ben Is very difficult to sustain it unless there are enough reserves on our enough resources that the government has just talked buying shown Karen San. We've seen that many times when there's pressure on a currency with government seen on financial authorities, step in and buy quarter loss of that currency, if to try and least to minimize the photo, make it a little bit more gradual, but if trust is gone, and if it's been seen that about, peg tonight, author level urine before he's just completely. I'm realistic in relation high your your economy's doing then. It's very difficult to stop. A other examples in relatively recent times of countries which have revived. If you like. Well relatively recently, what one of them is is the U K pound of course when we fed a number of shocks and evaluations and then recovery, because they in the sense that it's not so much that all the value is being recovered, because it hasn't actually seen plenty useful for the have a strong change. Frankie, but it's still has a place as a reserve. Currency is one which is really backed by sufficient central bank, money and enough reserves to try and do something about the county if you want to. But once you move to a situation where you're no longer. Have fixed exchange rates. Then you have to take the hit. Tons of what the market signs you'll should be and if you are in a position where their capital. And those comes from outflows. If they can read, become properly controlled than that. You have very few capital inflows. Then you re houses, same can be incredibly expensive especially if the value is going down. Huge waste of resources to try and support a currency underway way down before finds his action level, and if Economy Ben Suffers in the. Period when your currency drops significantly, then the cost of sorting out is even greater. So that's why I've. International institutions have to step in. And asked you all with the coronavirus crisis. In particular, we fed the world buying working to ensure that countries in really has to pay some of the of the owed the holidays, so there has to be something of course I've been trying to have some sort of arrangement with the to get some support of about ten billion SORTA defaulted on his payments, and one does once that starts then you don't actually managed to get agreement to restructure your debt and most Sir to do something about the structure of your economy, very. In Lebanon then the pain can be very very significant, and then all it takes. Erupt and you have should have watching. Some afraid there is a big big role with international institutions step in and system that is usually the way that you can stop getting out of the foam. Start Afresh where proper recovering program lets. Vicky Pryce. Thanks for joining us. and. Listening to the foreign desk still with me, Lena cutty and Melania. Lena want to talk in the second part of the show about way of Lebanon is at now and where Lebanon might be going in coming weeks and months there have been as you were saying earlier certain shifts in Lebanese politics following those large scale protests. We saw late last you saw Hariri resigned as prime minister in January so. Let's stop there I. Guess What and who has replaced him replaced south heavy. This cabinet is a new cabinet that is in theory, meant to be a technocratic cabinet with numbers selected on the basis of expertise in order to help address some of the demands of the protests October two thousand nineteen, but the reality is that this new cabinet is a cabinet of one political caller. The people are loyal to the political party. Hezbollah and its allies and at the time it's the cabinet that has not been delivering to the. The Lebanese people so there is now widespread resentment about this cabinets and about Hassan. yobs own performance as prime minister. He's been amount of many words, but very few actions. Lena just to follow that up. One of the things that was remarked upon about the protest movement was that it did it had a a nonsectarian aspect that this was Lebanese people, especially younger generations of Lebanese people in whom guess the civil war divisions are not as entrenched, actually responding as Lebanese rather than as members of the community within Lebanon. Have we reached the point at which or part of the problem may be. Lebanese people have moved past those sectarian divisions, but Lebanese politics hasn't a won't a Lebanese. Politics unfortunately nines dominated by the same political class that has been ruling the country for decades during the war, they were warlords then after the war, they became members of parliament and ministers, etc, and they are very much about the sectarian political system because this system that allows them access to power and resources and they use this trivia. To basically Siphon off state resources for their own benefit, and this is part of why the state in Lebanon is so weak and suffering, because it's the state that seems to exist only as a of form, but in practice it is just not really. There's an absence of the state and Lebanon and this is why the Lebanese people who started protesting said we need a fundamental change in this, the whole sectarian system needs. Needs to go because they recognized that it is this sectarian system that is the source of the domino effect of power, entrenchment and economic deterioration that Lebanon is suffering from, but of course the politicians don't see that, of course because they want to hold onto the status quo, Leyla. What's the view from the ground there? What's your estimate of the level of public faith in what the government is attempting to do this point? People giving up asking the government's doing because they sort of don't seem to accept the government's point. That there was this economic rescue plan that was announced at the end of April, that was supposed to be increased collection of taxes and better management and reduction of corruption that really seemed reinstate people. One of the fundamental problems is that. Does this idea that the international funds are going to come and rescue the country so the government find the often between fro engaged instead. We all going to ask for. Emergency, Fund from the IMF negotiations. Austin. People were very excited about that. The government's executives had refused to putting the kind of reform territory reform. The international thumbs demand they must watch. Try to put the economy contrast to the still from two years ago in billion dollars of funding from European donuts from the conference that they haven't been able to access out sitting there, but now asking combined funds from the IMF and donor countries about twenty billion dollars, but the same way they will, also for an assessment of what the national was hair. They said it was about ninety billion dollars. Msn W agreed with that, and then the politicians something said Oh, no actually wrong. It's more. It's more like half that an inside the government who? WHO THE SAME! Realistically, there's no way. The I'm going to engage on this because they don't trust us for couldn't still trying to finagle things. They have to impose these reforms because if they do that. Traditions or his wife support them anymore. One of the other issues is one of the reforms is to massively reduce the payroll huge number of people about eight hundred thousand people are on the government payroll, and the government is printing local-currency SIPC. Keep Pam stay in favor with him. So the current government staying in power, the current politician staying in power that interests a fundamentally opposed to what is the economy on Assad best for the people of the country. Leaner it's it's probably leave. Starting to dawn listeners that silver linings are a bit thin on the ground at this point, if we think back to those protests, especially have any potentially interesting or constructive. New Voices emerged in Lebanese politics, which have a new idea of what Lebanon might be able to become. There been new voices that have reached power. There have been new voices from civil society and from people who can be regarded as independent of political candidates, who for example, contested the last parliamentary elections, but sadly did not win these people remain very vocal. A lot of them are getting together to create documents advising the government on what to do or creating roadmaps to try to say, these can be ways out of the crisis, but the problem is these efforts are not resulting in a change in policy, because the government is tone, deaf as I was saying earlier, the government is behaving as if the Lebanese people do not. A civil society means very little. Public opinion seems to me in very little to the government they're trying to do is push the Lebanese people to kind of see in the sectarian system, the only way out and the only way the country can function, which of course is not aligned with what this new voices want, but these voices will have a long way to go before they are able to. Be in power or influence SPA in a meaningful way, unfortunately, there's a really good example of exactly what the Unites Talking about government acting like the people don't exist, so there's a case currently be going on. We're hasn't yet. The Prime Minister of the country used to work for one of the American, University of Beirut. He is suing the university for one million. Million Dollars for severance package unpaid wages at a time when the university has just said beggar to make twenty five percent off unemployed, and they don't know how long they can carry on, and he is saying he won't sit Senate to his foreign bank account citing the situation in the country right now now there are two up his. Only he has so Nicholas. Lebanese people that he thinks he got away with. This just doesn't care about public opinion. Asthma was saying that all the second option. Is He so convinced there is nothing they can do. The key knows he's GonNa be out of power, suit or combination of the two, so the fact that he is doing that Mrs being covered in public, no apology on his is private cases. As he's the leader of the country. Going on sang. We'll find a way through this together. We must will web together not try and take advantage of this crisis, but please send US money to my account. Just gives you a sense of how extreme lack of attention public opinion is. Lena. How hard is it right now or Lebanese person to draw on that optimism and resilience that has got Lebanon through extraordinary crises, Bailey countable extraordinary crises within the last few decades. is anybody still able to cling onto that idea that we've? We've come through worse. We will come through this. There will always be hope just because it's human nature at the end of the day, people have no choice but to keep going one way or another people will always adopt. It's just human nature, but the problem is. People are looking back at their. Their own lifetimes and recognizing that the situation now is more complex than ever before at the very least and the past one could rely on for example, Gulf countries donating some money to Lebanon to rescue at one way or another just to keep it afloat. None of that is in the picture right now. The IMF is being very firm about its conditions, and rightly so the United States is also very fun with its maximum pressure policy on Iran and sanctions imposed on Syria of course are also affecting Lebanon so in a way the Lebanese. That foreign powers think that Lebanon is central to their Middle East strategies are now having to see that. Lebanon has become simply a component in a bigger picture when it comes to how the foreign powers. The region as a whole, and therefore they very much feel that they are on their own now. Layla Lena was talking there about a a way out for Lebanon and obviously out that many many hundreds of thousands of Lebanese people have taken over. The last few decades is applying out of Beirut International Airport Rafic Hariri airport. Does it now is? That's being closed for nearly four months until very recently. It's open again when you speak to younger people in Lebanon, especially younger and educated people with ambition and training, and perhaps even some money. They talking mostly at this point about staying or going. Everyone wants. Everyone wants needs at this point, not really a nervous statement, but the reality is that not that many people Han for a long time, legal has had wanted to the country can. It's study abroad whether it's to go? What the family members who worked hold through visa, they consume town, but a Demonte, but the end boissier young people in the protest slogans said I really think it's going to work this time. It will change, but if it goes Dotson, reading and a lot of them now there is. That still you're getting increasingly difficult, but it was say studying abroad will be able to get what you've ever. That's now impossible off credit. Nineteen everyone who does have a way out is planning to Nevada everyone lies. Continue has either Joel. Nationality all some sort of visa. They can use the head somewhere else that trying to do that now. That radius has long been a brain drain in this country, but now reaching anybody who can get out is going to even many of them say desperately how much love let it on. How much they provide the quantity of my favorite best, simply all know. Leyla Milana Allen and Lena Katina thank you both very much for joining us on the foreign desk. That's it for this episode of the Foreign Desk. We'll be back next week and look out for the foreign desk. Available every Wednesday. The foreign desk was produced by owning Goffin and edited by Christie, Evans Christie say produces the foreign disc. Explain for me undramatic. Thanks very much for listening until next time goodbye.

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GSMC Music Podcast Episode 56: Cecily and Lena Jackson, The Revolution

GSMC Music Podcast

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GSMC Music Podcast Episode 56: Cecily and Lena Jackson, The Revolution

"Mar cubes, giving a beach close enough. So that space between you and me as lose the way all dance and sway into the music girl, they embody and how you move. And every time you cross my girl Losey Alexa play the country heat playlist. Okay. With Amazon music. A voice is all you need, get tens of millions of songs, download the Amazon music app today. Want to know the latest and hottest music hidden in the airwaves be left out. Listen to the Golden State media concepts. Music podcast keeps you on blue with everything you need to know from rock hiphop top flooring, and we'll throw in news of your favorite artists concert and tour dates and so much more listen, no further because this is the gold standard in using podcasts. Greetings, the good people of the planet earth and the known universe. You're listening to state media concepts. Music podcast is your captain Keith. Once again, this is your captain Keith. And today in music review, we're going to be listening. We're gonna be talking about the new Solaar NBA album from sesame or albums called songs of love, and freedom and Lena Jackson with darkness brim to hip hop album. Unfortunately, I'm not going to be able to talk about sobs today with telltale signs. I didn't get chance to really listen to review their album yet, but I promise you next week we will have a full review on that record Sampson and their new albums called telltale signs, but are will be talking about some other things today as well though. So just let you know. But yeah, especially saws, eleven freedom, Lena Jackson darkness, Bram, and have a surprise for you. There's going to preempt that so something that, yeah, so we'll talk about that. So let's get into it. So subtly. This album. So it's a real cool cover of sesame songs of love and freedom guy her on a front. She's like wearing a gold top. Nice, beautiful natural afro. She's looking upward with our eyes closed, and she's got both her hands behind her head looking up. She's like, waiting for the sunlight shine on her face or something. It's nice picture. So let me read you a little bit about her, and then we'll go into the review into the review. Songs of love, and freedom is a piece of myself she stays. I shaped over many months and long hours and tried to fashion, honestly, making it beautiful tribute iw, which can only come from truth. The truth found in solitude, the truth that lifts you from comfort and into something much more powerful rebirth with each song. I tried to capture a moment. I tried to give you the moment. I sat in the grass in London of feeling the sun on my face. Appreciating that happened to please anyone by myself. I can take that. Actually, I tried to give you the moment. I was in Ghana's, lush green Volta region and felt the power of will falls spray my back. How live that felt. I tried to give you the moment. I sat in my room in silence looking at spring outside my window and knew that the universe was holding my hand and leading the way if only I let my ego, I try to give you the moment I learned I learned of the murder of Jordan Edwards, just fifteen years old and killed by police officer. The moment I found hope in hopelessness. With unconditional love of self appreciation of the growth. The struggle, the beauty, I offer you a piece of myself created out of my own power. The power that comes from vulnerability right on. Okay. That's a nice description man. Like what she said about her record about who she is as a musician in the artist. So you know. You know, whenever someone creates music, they usually are giving you a piece of who they are. So. Mys- another somethings are still constant. So the first track on the album's called Pisces is the opening track. It starts off with the sounds of the beach slash ocean along with percussion and shakers, more percussion, shakers with bass and keys accompanied by a flute, the flute keys in base in shaker blend together perfectly throughout the song Esley sings versus the base kicks in stronger. As she goes into the second verse, the base navigates the song the keys are in the distant background with their roads with their road sound, which means what the finger roads now. The flute comes back in with the sweet rhythm. The something about sesame known who she is, she realized that they should cannot be afraid to celebrate her life or freight to try new things. The songs also about sesame trying to figure out her purpose, not being afraid of pain because she realizes that she can learn from it and become stronger. Pisces is about self actualization and self discovery. So here's a the lyrics from that song. I've swam in waterfalls that stung my back and all I ever need. It was to go back because even things that hurt make you feel alive and all I ever wanted was to live before I die. And of course is because there's a river in me and it pushes my feet and uncertain for motion. There's an ocean in me and it won't let me sink. But as Jong me out, wash away my self doubt. And then the second verse, I found myself searching along the shore not ever really know what I'm looking for caught in imaginings of a different me, still insecure and graceful and damn share free. And then of course, once again, 'cause there's a river in me and it pushes my feet and uncertain for motion. There's an ocean EMMY and it won't let me sink but has drawn me out, wash away myself out. So there that is it's, you know, that's the opening tracks Pisces. So the next trucking, we'll talk about his call your idea of beautiful. And it starts off with a slow rhythm guitar, especially a singing in the background along with drums, cymbals being lightly, tapped the rhythm. Guitars played through a dreamy light, clean effect pedal a drum roll unfolds, and then the base kicks in the baseline is slow and steady dominates the song and a good way. You can hear the Fender Rhodes style keys in the background. The Jimmy, like with them guitar slides to the distant background, the Qatar on this song sounds very like shoe gazer ash inside a soul song. Actually the league Atara pops up towards the middle of the song, and it reminds me of a classic Ernie I'll Ernie is that Qatar solo from the icy brothers, the sound and stout at berry similar. Your ideal of beautiful is about sesame falling in love with someone and wanting to be there. Everything she wants to embody all the things that he finds desirable. She has bared her soul to this person feels a deep connection to this person. She can't find any flaws in him and has it nor. Mistakes. She's actually got it bad. She wants to be the one he loves socially wants to fit his vision, the beautiful. She wants to be the one. He loves every day. So, and here's the lyrics from that song. Midnight humming sweetly, mystery of you near me. We've done it all before and I can taste at once again, your smile. Unwraps me competent disarmingly. There's a softness to you, but you still won't release. I mean this south like a poem, it's kind of cool. It's pretty cool. Then the pre course there they go again with their whole pre course. That's just like a new thing. Everyone's doing now. Apparently. Cracks me up. I've told you all my flaws and half my mistakes Baird every inch to you and let me go let my ego, AIG all because and then of course, I just wanna be your beautiful. I just wanna be your beautiful. Your idea of beautiful. I just wanna be your beautiful. Can I be beautiful? I just wanna be your beautiful every day. And then the second verse two months till I see you again and still I'm willing to let you in been craving the depth of your voice and the spirit in your hands. And then the pre chorus partout can't seem to find your flaws. Ignored your mistakes, Baird, every inch to you and let my ego ache all because I just want to be your beautiful. I just wanna be your beautiful, your idea. Beautiful. I wanna be your beautiful. Can I be beautiful and I just wanna be your beautiful every day. There that is so yearning, the next track is yearning an interlude featuring drew kid. It's an amazing, acoustic piano solo that is smooth and gentle that is, excuse me, that is a smooth and gentle touch to the record, a real cool contemporary jazz feel to it. Now I gotta tell you my favorite song and its work. Of course, you know, I have favorite tracks on all the records that every view, except for one. Is song for Bobby Smith. It's a surprising Gil, Scott, Heron, slash Brian Jackson cover from their legendary album. When Aaron America sesame sesame actually asked her own lyrics to the song at the beginning, the rose piano place. Sweet and somber. Melody assess Lee begins her own prologue. The song essentially so fully the song excessively softly and sweetly singing and drew kids amazing Jackson. So offender roads keyboard playing. That's all the production that you have on this track. The songs actually dedicated a little Bobby Smith at the time who was a friend of deals guide, Berenson brand Jackson's. They want to do a song which was dedicated to new Lyme. He was young here. The lyrics seemed to be about a yearning for love and peace for all men and women to feel that love and peace in your heart. Aspiring for a new day where love and friendship is everything. Gills guy here was a jazz slash sole port musician. A singer who was who was a phenomenal of excuse me. He was a FINA and his own, right. He's phenomenal as well. A forefather of hip hop and a person who blended socially conscious lyrics with amazingly soulful and jazzy music. Or soul and jazz music. Either way. It's the same thing. Basically, whether he was rhyming doing spoken word or singing, he really was a triple threat in that regard. He in the last poetry contemporaries of each other, but say, proto rappers. And of course, Brian Jackson is no slouch either as his songwriting partner and performance. He's amazing as well. And I believe he's still alive and I, I hope I get a chance to meet him and see him perform these days. So here is, here's a song. Going to read you suspect prologue that she wrote to beginning of the song. In our hearts, we feel the spring is just around the corner. A Springer brotherhood. And United spirits among people of color. Everyone is moving searching. There's a restlessness within our souls that keeps us questioning discovering and struggling against a system that will not allow a space and time for fresh expression. But we as black people have been a source of endless energy in this beauty and endless determination. I have many things to tell you about tomorrow's love and light. We'll see you in spring. Guess got a hearing. And she said, all that before the song started and here's the lyrics. And she'd been there. Ain't you going? Can't you tissue ideas growing. We are soldiers soldiers of a new day. Can't you see it? Can't you feel it in your heart. And one of this is Sunder sun slowly and just just this beautiful just. Like I said, role playing underneath her and it's just. Is just really sweet and cool. I mean, you're just they bring. She brings you into the moment the same way. Gil, Scott, Heron, and Brian Jackson, did ain't you've been there? Ain't you go into a place where friendships flowing? We are brothers and sisters in the spirits. Can't you see it? Can't you feel it in your heart? Ain't you been there? Ain't you going? Can you feel this love? I'm showing it's got to be me and you me and you together. Can't you see it? Can't you feel it in your heart. I mean, yeah, I wish I could play you that psalm, but I encourage you to look her up and listen to the song and listen to kills gotta a hand and brand Jackson's version too. So, I mean that was like the first time I read lyrics on the show and I actually wanted to sing it instead of reading it to you. Can you feel it starts off with an acoustic acoustic guitar. Sisley starts to sing about her innermost thoughts. The base is in the distant and faint background behind the Cousteau guitar. The Cousteau Qatar courts are slow paced drums. Piano slide into the song along with a cello and violin. This song has a folk orchestra, soul vibe to it, and Cecil his voice really source on this track. When she sings the course, the base anchors to song half. The second half of the track trumpet solo comes in towards the end of the track. The ads adds other musical layer to the song that cello violin smoothing the song out at the end, the song seems to be about us. They find the keeper sanity and not lose control of who she is not letting her fears and insecurities get the best of her. The is about sesame regaining her mental focus. Can you feel it. And here's some of the, here's the lyrics from out from that song. There's a point when you stop when you know you're no longer alone. There's a time when your breath and the breeze become one. There's a moment in your mind. Just let's go. Let's let's your heart open and find the road. And then the pre course right where you're meant to be at the brink of your sanity. You stepped into the truth, right? Where you need right, where you need to be at the center of gravity, pulling all you need towards you. I'll read more from this after this break. Is Ron down for Maya is launch somebody. Somebody. Baader fun. Somebody. Alexa play hits from Queen. Okay. With Amazon music of all, you need get tens of millions of songs, download the Amazon music app today. Keeps giving a beach not close enough. So that's base between you and me lose the way all dance and sway into the news girl they embody and how you move. And every time you cross my girl Losey Alexa play the country heat playlist. Okay. With Amazon music voices. All you need, get tens of millions of songs, download the Amazon music app today. Always on the go. But the day just will be more without your Hollywood. Vince foot Golden State media concepts under ten podcast. Take care of that. All inclusive look of pop culture. And we're back once again, listened to state media concepts. Music podcast is cats and Keith currently human, the new sesame record songs of love and freedom discussing the song. Can you feel it. Also the new. Can you feel it's also the name of grates on the Jackson's off their triumph with a really cool video, but I digress. So the course is next in the lyrics, it's, can you feel it? Can you feel it? Can you hear it? Can you see it second verse when I feel like I'm falling, I'm losing the way when I feel like my dreams and action are fire stray. Then my mind tells me I'm no good, and I have to quiet her down to hear what I should. Then the pre course I'm right where I meant to be at the brink of my sanity. I stepped into the truth right? Where I need to be at the center of gravity, pulling all I need towards me. I can feel it. I can feel it. I can hear it. I can see it and she sings that really nicely. So her voice really just shines on this track. The next truck on talk about it is don't hide the sun. So it's it's the last song, the record. It starts off with the Fender Rhodes keyboard as the motto intro, a thick baselines in fall by drums. The baseline drives the song blues guitar licks pop into the song in the background for a moment, the Fender Rhodes and the base drive song period. The rhythm guitar pops into the background as drums, get busier with symbols and snares picking up the pace as well as the baseline. All the instruments fade out at the end of the song. This song's about waking up enjoying the sun being down on your face. You can pitch yourself laying on the grass outside the front of the sun and just soaking up the rays and feeling good about yourself because you're getting that necessary sunshine. You can also pitch yourself inside your bedroom, your loved one, and they are thinking about closing the curtains and you're like, no, the some feels good on my face. What I lay here in bed. So it's cool. It's a cool song. I like it in his lyrics. Don't hide the sun if feels so damn good on my face. Don't hide the sun if feels so good on my damn face. Head resting on a cloud. Excuse me is I. Yeah, head resting on cloud grass in between my toes, stretched out into myself at as wanna be here with me right here right now. Then the second course is don't hide the sun. It feels so good. My face don't hide the sun, don't close the curtains, Honey, and then the bridges I won't run from myself today won't run for myself today won't run for myself. Won't run for myself today won't run for myself today while run for myself. Then of course, don't hide the sun. It feels so good on my face. Don't hide the sun, doesn't it feel so good to be alive? And then the show right here right now to be alive right here right now, I mean very positive stuff. So it's a cool. It's a courtroom I can after you hear that track you bike. Yeah, I need to look at the sun right now. You know, you're all about the sun at that point. So. And and. Summation in regards to subsidies record me once that because I want to double check to make sure she's not on tour because she is, I want you guys this, you know. On that, you know where you can find her. Yes, that is. A c. So for under shows, yes, she hasn't tour. Okay, so we'll go over that in one second. All right. So let me wrap this review on her album. So sesame songs of love and freedom is an album with things of love, hope, introspection introspection self growth and realization when I hear her sing, I can hear Denise Williams and patrician influence. Sexually made a great jazz slash Acoustic Soul album that really does have songs of love and freedom. A scale of one to ten with one being the worst in Tempe and the best I get to see eight and a half. I like it. It's. Album. It's, you know. But at the same time, it's it's a nice slow paced record for the most part. So I really can't drive to it. I mean, unless you're that person who can drive to arm be whether slower fast, if it gets too slow, when I'm driving is gonna put me to sleep. So I can't listen to jazz music unless it's busy when I'm driving, if it's fusion or busy can do it. But if it's like all school really melodic and just kinda slow paced and good guy be at home, I can't. Yeah, because I get to, I'll get to relaxed. So my favorite tracks on this record are your idea, beautiful, yearning and insulin featuring drew kit him on panel. Yeah, there's two interludes this one. Another one software Bobby Smith. Can you feel it healing and two featuring kid on tonight's Krista piano and don't hide the sun. So definitely recommend that record. So now. Like I told you Cecil is on tour. So let's see. On August twenty. Six. She's in Rochester New York. She's at the Rochester summer, sol- the love and freedom to Rochester, some soul music festival. Should be performing on day two of the Rochester, Rochester, summer soul, music festival opening up for Moore's Dan, the time, and George Clinton and parliament. Funk Delic. That's a good gig. That's what I'm talking about for her August twenty. Seventh. The next day at seven pm, New York, New York. At the Rockwood music hall. Stage three. You know, it's her the love and freedom tour for that's a great name for your tour. How can you say no to that? How can you be mad at that? August twenty eighth. Okay. She's got a busy day. All right. She'll be at Philadelphia, Pennsylvania APM at the soundcheck series at pub web. So and apparently best present parent attainment, the soundcheck series highlights eight artists over eight weeks, showcasing a multi genre collection of young buzz worthy acts unforgettable concerts -perience and one of kind of industry. That's cool. That's pretty cool description. August thirty first washed in DC Friday at six PM Fridays at fort Totten. See has joined sesame and her ban on the outdoor stage at the corner, South Dakota avenue and Galloway street northeast for two hours of free music of the Fridays, four Totten summer music series. And yes, we love free concerts. We'll talk about that later. Love free concerts, and that's cool. She's given a free show. They're right on September eighth, a, she will be at Durham, North Carolina, a home of little brother. That's a. Big pool knife, wonder. But anyway, I digress, seven PM there on September eighth at by cafe or bay. You be why you cafe? Yeah. So, and that seems to be her last date for now. So so you can definitely check her out. Very cool. And let me get into an x. review, Lena Jackson. And her album is called darkness Bram and speaking of North Carolina, she's from rallying cry line. We'll get into that. So let me give you description of who she is and then we'll talk about her record. Lina Jackson is an underground hip hop artist and poet hailing from rally, North Carolina, primarily born and raised in poverty stricken areas. Lena grew up with music as her focal point of comfort with riding as therapy. Jackson started painting poetry as a child, but later became intrigued by cipher sessions. She was seeing school cafeterias in her early teens and for those who don't know, cypher sessions means people outside in in the group, like in a circle, just free styling and rhyming for fun just for fun. She was, yeah. She eventually learned to entertain poetry stances for rat bars and found pleasure in both spoken word and cypher wrapping her influences include now's MC, light Outkast, Missy Elliott, and bone thugs and harmony affectionately refer to as the wolf by musical peers. Guess peaches in live performances, expose her raw talent and spirited personality, so they call her the wolf. That's pretty cool on bold. Okay. However, Jackson's goal with her upcoming two thousand eighteen release what's here? The doctrines Bram you call it EP, although it's like more than eight songs, but okay, it's to it's to display her verbal skill set law expounding on darker topics, not typically discussed in mainstream hip hop issues such as poverty, domestic violence, mental illness, with powerful messages connected to intense delivery may Jackson's prepare to interject different deeper and deeper perspective into the ram game. So now with that being said. Let's get to it. The first song is, oh, so the picture the cover album. She has a hoodie on and she has her head bending, bending over bending, downward, and she's her face. Looks like she's having a silent scream and she's got a both of her hands on each side of her head. She's like wearing a black hoodie. But what's interesting is in her right hand, she's got his brass knuckles. Her fingers in a right hand. The nails look, nice, actually nice manicure, but it's a cool. It's interesting. It's cool cover. She's got like a goal chain around the neck and a bracelet. There might be having a key this hanging from it, but it's called darkness. Bremen darkness and brim are upside down and they're from right to left going across her chest. So it's very interesting cover, look forward to one of these asking about that. So that's how the cover looks that got my attention when I found this record on band camp. So I found this working on banking m the sesame recommend band camp actually. So. So the first track is called the mask intro. Starts off music the south, like a harpsichord or like a kalimba, a snare drums and knocks make up the percussion slight brush dick plan against the symbols, jump symbols, seep into the because Shen as well as as well. Trump comes in and plays in the distant background. The end of the song, the song about Leia's romantic relationship with her manager. She gave more than he did. She bared her soul to this man and he wouldn't take off his mask. In other words, he wouldn't let her in there his soul as well. So here's the lyrics Mashraq. Now mind you, this is the opening track. Is the intro just saying, I told him, speak to me, speak to me, show your heart. He looked at me like I was talking Greek bat, start sound of regret clamored. He was an Ammon when I was cool and collected. When I fell in love, he stammered resistance was rejection of reflection of my manners. The heartbreak was silent, no publicity or cameras. I tried to stand next to him regardless, but I don't do heartless. I Harley even have my own soul. The manager said, you crazy. My reply to him was year maybe. However you made me that way when I was trying to be your baby lately. I think you're crazy too. I think if your move the mask, you see, just like you deny the truth, not trying to be spiteful. This is the Rafter impasse must suppress very naked souls while y'all stay dressed strip for me, I showed it all and you ain't even leave a tip for me behind the master leasing nasty masterpiece. Let me see. Wow. That's a really cool intra. I like that. I like that track. It's very intense. So she starts off the with fire. So then the title track darn experiment starts off with because keys, some menacing, the percussion sounds like congas the key start off making a sound that sounds like a dark chant like. Who the keys take on a different malady as to percussion turns until a snare drum and claps to snare drum and claps gives me a while ACA tar slides in as well. The overall production has a dark and somber tend to it at the middle of the song, the beat grinds down to a stop, a new beat forms at the pulsing baseline. The pulsing baseline dominates the new beat with a centrum app with since jump atmospherics. The baseline starts to roll like slash Bryant towards the end of the song more about darkness berm after this break. Giving a beach close enough. So that's base between you lose the way all dance way into the muse girl, the body and how you move. And every time you cross my girl lose. Alexa play the country heat playlist. Okay. With Amazon music of voices. All you need get tens of millions of songs, download the Amazon music app today. How do you feel about your office? Is it just a space for your company or is it a space to help you grow your company when you find the right space? 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And once again, you're listening to state media concepts, music podcast, the shoe captain Keith speaking, and we're going over Lena Jackson's darkness firm record. As I was saying before, we're definitely reviewing Lena Jackson's darkness firm record. So here's the lyrics to that song, which the towel track album. Here's the business is time to Levin. The streets are witness. I'm fit for alkaline minds litmus test for their sick of sickness. If you spot it, then your vision, gifted, and if you blind, you can pray for forgiveness. That's what the church say. Look like the best of them, the sentence of ministers. But if it's sinister within them out, like the rest of them invest in pestilence, but expecting ties, we provoke with no etiquette. Now closure is you ain't ready for this. Excellent is evident. We got to be delicate around your residents addressing elephants in rooms, doomed to introduce you to your detriment, but I can show you different with my testament, come hither. I got a secret as bloom. When all the flowers wither a plan to this man, the power structure channel, we subscribe to our lives ever steady on the ethics panel. I do this for the hood, but we was given less to handle lot of Ken. If you want to reflect the truth, there's something deeper than the ills of my youth to justify the uncouth and keep a luminous dealing the tight-lip and all things grim and the nature of what's got me swimming. All I can say is keep your strap under your bed linen, eliminate the weak links and make stronger decisions and my opinion it behooved to protect your women. Birther warriors for missions given remove tongue to crimson, and that wolf is bitten dubbing time for pimping. You got to scrimp and save to keep from tip in in your grave. They catch you Slippin and Lipin. It's unconvincing waves here. Watch that praise to an honorable mention. I raise tension when I step on stage, but I just want attention log enough to go on on a comprehension of the hidden page, hidden rage as the patient spreads then open the first chapter of debt and tap the mystery of within the chin. Checkers with disrespect. If you not accepted in, but the clinic got dibs on the medicine. Your next step is where the hit is where history begins as on top. So the low but above the rim, darkness brim. Yeah, yeah. Darkness berm y'all. I mean, that's just like the first of the. Like I was rhyming there for a minute. I mean, yeah, she so. Listening to the song. It's kind of hard for me to some is what I think the whole thing is about because you seem like there's a whole lot of different things going on. Some of its kind of abstract for me. I mean, she's definitely sending on the message to men, you know, protect your women, you know, love them. We don't have time for pimping which she saying there's nothing glamorous glorious about being a pimp. So let's dismiss that stereotype. So I can appreciate that. What else about the song. I mean, that's that's. She also talks about the hypocrisy of the church. Basically how the church may say one thing and do another. So I think that's interesting because you don't hear allow that in a hip hop music. Usually the church can do no wrong. Everything's perfect, but that's just not how life is. So here's the second half of the song because it changes his her second versus. I'm gonna say what I read early them identify three or four verse. Here's the second half of the song, and we just let them frame freeze for a moment. These demons teasing with signs of of ailments by still chilling on my heart is roaming from outside in. I'm winning grinning for the cameras, but this damage in assumption plucking out your own components. I hit the churches, temples, mosques for Thomann a constant diplomas, my home spoke Shalom, but when I roam alone, I know they wrack my box. Any possible moment claiming woke nece unaware of whether so a why they sold is in the melatonin. I see they motives opposite of glaucoma. And consequently, I'm talked about intensely convinced that my simply as content is content to be a frenzy of abyss aim with intent to miss. I wish they did that crap for Quincy Bowen's. The kit was not the target, but they shot and kept going. Another fan will pay the price for what has brought his own. So when you think it's picture perfect and we've free of sends look, closer zoom, focus adjusts show lands. That's the darkness they're not. That's just the darkness that's where we hide survive and crimes of violence. Life in heartless. Regardless of squads, they fully equipped proceed with caution when that brim is tipped. Watch me. So, yeah. I mean, that's a. That's how that's goes. I'm just like, why. Give me one second. We're going to the poor kids. The. So. In that song. It's talking about that. So. One second. Okay. All right. So my mission for you to say, all right. So let's go into poor kids. This song. And by the way there's video for that song does video for darkness brand poor kids, pork. His starts off with a famous quote by Malcolm x. bring about the freedom of these people by any means necessary, quote, unquote. Then sin keys playing echo, like within pattern that has a water like a water, like sound effect with boom, bap drums to me when I hear it, this music with him is the mainstay for the entire song. Malcolm x. comes back with one more quote at talks about the vicious cycle of poverty and how systematically structured within your local community, the song's about poverty community and within your own family. The songs also about how your government says that they have your best interests at heart and the reality of all being double talk. Lena Jackson expresses concerns about what life would be like for her offspring and her hesitancy to bring more offspring into this world because of the poverty structure in America. So I'm gonna read the. The lyrics, the song, and also read you the the additional quota, Malcolm hat in the Saul as well. Came from that bottom real bottom. No, mainstream rhetoric involved. I walked floors that were rotten understanding worth and hand-me-downs long forgotten, stall things from human beings who don't even remember, they bought him. I'm tight because some of these kids don't know what terminal is, and I have an I had vivid dreams of striking where oil is born in the pages shown said I was rolling my bloodline. So why am I always a step behind bet the bible said, they love me. The government say they cover me off, feels like a live when you're out in mind and hungry. When the world denies is hard, not to hate your country with powers that be depriving years. You only look at my monthly, but I'm still here polite, but I'm gonna say this bluntly. 'cause there's a million other kids ain't Livin comfy. I know they have. So I home, they call my wrath for the painful fact. There ain't no doctors in their aftermath. That's. Darted Dray reference to drill aftermath records very clever. I like it, but tell me that sensor crap. Don't make you mad Tommy. It's not a tear Jerker you're in a better off as a forty hour week workers because now we can't pay rent. These shifts made us some week workers used to bring the bake. And now we luck to afford a few burgers robbers. Murderers got rocketed to heights and her what what to strangers life when your babies at home on nurtured, unmanned unplanned, and we just want that one chance. But the system broke the stance of a man and twisted up our sisters. I can't even glance at a man without listening to the disadvantages and place advantages on what this world has handed us, the sucks, but I'm a handle is I go to war for these poor kids. I'm terrified to breed more kids trying to analyze how my parents survived, decide raising four kids. That's my sips once his to Bros. race. With intent to prevent us being gangsters and hose seems the plans were successful, but my worry still grows only concerns should be babies got ten fingers and ten toes work, slow work, steady. Y'all all make excuse me, work, slow work city. Y'all make it. That's what the rich insist. But I'm pissed because I'm broke while the richest taken. I need my offering to see that I can make them something better than me as better that we fight for future generations as opposed to taking blows and standing wounded and they stagnation, the meek have grown impatient. So while you handling so are you hand in bands of inheritance? We just might take it. We rob, you blind and naked get out of dodge and try to lodge up and say, hey, you can't afford what's even more than landlord the landlord called. Many redo that line. What's even more the landlord call you back and said, there's nothing vacant. And here's the Malcolm x. quote. Live in a poor neighborhood. You're living in an area where you have to. You have to have poor schools. When you have poor schools, you have poor teachers. When you have poor teachers, you'll get a poor education. Poor education can only work on the poor paying job and the poor paying job will enable you again to live in poor neighborhood. So it's very vicious cycle. That was the quote from outcome x t end of the song. Yeah, deep. So Lee Jackson's darkness brim. It's a record with teams, domestic violence, poverty, emotional issues, therapy, economics, and religious. Crecy. This record really does embody the dog and his Bram. If you're looking for record that goes beyond the surface doubt as brim, is it on a scale of one to ten? I could this out mate and a half. And my favorite tracks are the mask intro, darkness, brand poor kids, cookies house of blues. You should be scared and therapy. Couch therapy couch is great because as you know, in that song in Lena's actually talking to therapist therapist like go ahead and open up to me like, that's a good idea enough. I'm going to do this and she goes, no, you you're, you know, you're gonna be okay. It's all right. You know, you're gonna safe environment. So many starts Ryan, you know, talking about issues and was like, okay, that's good. That's really good, you know. So tell me more and then Lena starts to get into it and kinda animated and. And then therapy therapists custody sessions short. She's like, you know what? Mistakes. I think. You've done a great job today. That's enough for today. Administer leaves. It goes. Okay. Santana. Yes, of course. Next week. So then Lena leaves office his character. She's like, that lady is crazy sensor. And it's just it was just funny. It was funny, but also cool to see someone like a rapper, say, you know, I need to talk to somebody, you know, there's nothing wrong with the getting counseling talking to someone about your issues and problems. So she's addressing mental health in that regard. I think that's cool. So because it should be so. But yeah, I definitely recommend the album. I give it eight and a half. I found out my Bank campus. Well, our website Lee, Jackson dot com as Lena l. e. n. a. so looks like on this Friday. Indoor North Carolina being BI is not Carolina's platform dedicated to call today in the funding elements of hip hop culture. 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And once again, welcome back to state media concepts, music podcast issue, captain Keith. And we'll just discussing Jackson. Starkness brim. So I also wanted to say that. So Lena Jackson. Album. Darkness Burma's available on CD and digital. Don't see it on vinyl and regards to. Cecil where songs of love and freedom that albums also on CD in digital, but not on vinyl. So just if you want to know and. Also wants to know that you can also go to Lina Jackson's website, which is Lena. Lina Jackson music dot com says congratulations leeann Jackson for two thousand eighteen Carolina music awards, nomination, and the best hip hop female category. So that's pretty cool. Congratulations to her in that regard. She's got a few videos off this record. So I want to tell you that you can see them in her website, and they're great one is for the song end of the tunnel slash track on the album featuring my my straw. And then there is a video for Siberia as kind of like a horror themed video and features, precise politics, and he spells his name PR e, c, y, c, and then p. o. l. i. t. i. x. pretty clever way of saying his name like that. And then there's a video for poor kids pretty good, and there's definitely a video for darkness brim. So I want to tell you, you can get all that Lena Jackson music dot com. You can see those videos definitely check her out. So. And. I want to tell you guys, so over the weekend. Sunday at the opportunity to go to a free concert. And it was for a band. I have always wanted to see like my whole adult life that I always gritted not seeing when they had the opportunity. So I had a. Yeah, I had a chance to see prince and the revolution and I didn't go. I just wasn't thinking. But I did see prince before he died. I saw him about at least three times some very happy about that, so, but didn't get chance to the revolution and kept waiting for the revolution to have this reunion with him, and that never happened. So you know, the purple one died in two thousand sixteen, may he rest in peace and power and. So the year of his death, two thousand sixteen. So if we count from that point on, he hadn't talked with revolution for thirty years. So now two thousand eighteen. So it's been thirty two years since he played music with them. So they memorial concerts and should be to him. And they went really well for the band and for the fans, and they've been torn ever since. So yes, I got chance to see them at the stern grove festival and San Francisco. This past Sunday, two free concert and I had a great time. So the band consisted of the revolution consist of. That Fink or doctor Fink on keys. He always wear his scrubs. When you saw Bobby z on drums, Lisa comment on keys. And Wendy Melvoin on guitar and Brown Mark on base. And then they brought in for good measure. Stokely Williams, formerly mint condition. He came through to sing some of the songs, some of the high falsetto songs prince does. So like let's work. He sang. I have to think about the other stuff. He's saying I recorded it on my phone, but I haven't had a chance to look at all of it, but it was. It was a great show. It was a dream come true. They were. They sounded amazing. They're very tight. And it was interesting because usually when I go to a concert was air plucks. Yeah. You sound like old man, captain Keith. Whoa, I maybe I maybe I'm not. I don't know, but I just know like my ears like my hearing and you know, I get tired of going into a show, especially like a rock concert, and the Qatar is just way to allow the bands to Lau and I can't understand the lease anger that's a pet peeve on. I hate that. Just let you know. You never usually have to ever worry about telling the Qatar player to turn himself up. So yeah, I put my air plugs. I was like, okay, they're going to be real, super Lau, but I can do it, didn't need them. The sound was perfect. They were perfect. They look great. The crowd was having fun. We were all having fun. It was good to hear the songs. Again. They did computer blue, you know, preferen- got a little emotional. They did when doves cry. I believe they did the baby. I'm a star or they did. I would die for you. I can't remember that might have been like the last song they did erotic city. I mean, they kiss Stokely sang on kiss, definitely all the high fall, settle stuff. He did the controversy. It was a good time. It just it was good to hear these sorts because even when prince was alive a lotta times, he wouldn't do all of his old songs and times he would just do a little medleys or do some of it for a minute and then go into other stuff, whereas new stuff. So you know, they were doing stuff that he hadn't even done in. So it was great to to see them. It was a great show, had a good time as a good crowd. It was a great a great mix. Crowd of people older and younger, everyone just came together. It was fun. I now I wish I would have got there earlier because it's like when you have a free concert, starring growth festival out, you know. And that. Picnic park, whatever you call it is first come first serve. So once the main flow was busy, I mean was filled. They are all those people had stamped. And if you didn't have a stand, you couldn't get down on the main floor. So I had to be up in the trees up in the hills, but I still finding that spot. And then a friend of mine came with his family. I told him about it when I woke up in the morning, you wanna know, and are they played for like almost two hours. So I missed the opening band. I saw the end of the opening minutes. I couldn't really tell you who they were, but that's like, that's my second time going to that stern grove festival in San Francisco. The first time I went, I had a chance to see Michelle and daycare cello for free. Now it's like my third time seeing her. So it was amazing. I got a chance to see the revolution and they didn't this appoint and I- Brown Mark is a beast on the base, Wendy's amazing. Everybody was just solid. They didn't miss a beat and to see. You know, think or doctor thinks and his surgical scrubs on the keys was just priceless that trademark look a his and all the prince videos. It was just, it was amazing. It was, but I had a really good time if they come to your town, if you're prince man, you should go check him out. And what I notice too, when watching that that live set from the revolution, they also so Wendy, m Brown Mark, sometimes sing songs together, both vocals and sounded great, and I was thinking to myself, you guys should put out a record, just do a new record under that name and tour it and still tour the prince catalog, and it's just a win win situation. It's a win win situation. So yeah. So here's to them doing that. Maybe here this podcast now, but definitely not tag a minute. But yeah, it was had a really good time watching them. I never get chance to see. They came last year. And I missed it. I just couldn't get down to San Francisco to see them when they first came. But they said they had a great time and they said they will be back so and by the way. So Bobby Zia's medicine album oblivious produce some people Brown Mark did aside group underpays depart call Maserati and that out of print actually to get that record. That's his brainchild and apparently he and Baba's e had worked on the kiss song and they kind of fixed it and prince here. And then you had to have it back and the rest is history. Then you hear now reve on the parade record, which is a great record. All the also did another lover holding your head man. I mean, they took me back. It was, yeah, because when he was with that band while argue Hugh might have been his best. I would say he was at his best artistically. Of course he was always a brilliant musician. He's a genius, and I love like. Ninety percent of what he's done so. But when you hear the album's like parade, which is the soundtrack for under the train moon. Prince and the revolution literally made a whole new sound for themselves with that record. I firmly stand behind that. They also saying the song mountains offer that record. So when you hear mountains and when you hear kiss, nothing sounds like that parade record nothing so. And of course you know preference a classic around the world and the day, another great record where he just made a whole different sound. But yeah, they were amazing, but Brown Mark did Maserati. I think so I think is that has been playing around town. He's been playing and he's been playing. But I don't know exactly if there's any solo stuff with him after look that up and no Bob is at least one record and also producer, Wendy and Lisa had have a cool solo career. I have most of their records actually their first album which is called Wendy and Lisa, that record called erotica. Well, excuse me where Neil Lisa nineteen eighty-seven. Great album. I love the record actually really mellow, but it's just really cool and soulful fruit at the bottom. It's cool album. Yeah, it's cool. They just experimenting on some of it likes that. I didn't, but I still enjoy the record. Lolly lolly. And are you my baby Royko a great like rock and roll record from Wendy. Lisa e. r. o. I see a and then they did a album called girl brothers. And that's the album came out after when these brother. Jonathan Melvoin died keyboard player. He's played for the smashing pumpkins. He Odid that was a whole very sad thing. Good records, kind of sad, white flags of winter chimneys. I don't have that record. I had it. I don't think I have it anymore. I might have to go back to it so a while they're doing their solar records when he also started writing soundtracks for films. So they start MTV did the soundtrack to heroes. The TV show that was on NBC. So they've kept busy. They did toys heroes, which no score score nurse, Jackie season one and dirty girl motion picture soundtrack. So they've kept busy. So it's just. Good to have the revolution back. I can't wait to see them again. And when I do be much closer to the stage, but they seem like they're having fun, and it was just good for them to get together. Again. I mean, they went through a lot together. They made history together with prince Rogers Nelson. They should be very proud and what people don't realize when he broke up the revolution and he didn't new power generation. He was just bringing in -sition in and out. They weren't banned. They were just people the hero brought. He would replace people in that ban all the time. The revolution was like the only band band that he had. So now they're still they're still on tour. They will the thirty first August crystal ballroom and Portland, Oregon. So timber first bumper, shoot festival in Seattle, Washington, September. Seventh have scotch music festival and rally Carolina. He wrote off Carolina. Again, I tell you something about it. So timber twenty-seventh historic homes theater in Detroit lakes. Sota. So Minnesota has a town called trait lakes, loved the notice story about that. Okay. September twenty eighth paramount center for the arts and Saint Cloud, Minnesota. That's Friday at seven pm. The historic homes theory of September twenty seven that's Thursday at seven thirty pm. So Tim between the show them theater Saturday at seven pm at the red wing, Minnesota. The majestic theater, and I've been to that too. That's a great theater in Detroit, October fourth, at seven pm. And Detroit, Michigan took fifth park west at seven pm. Chicago, Illinois, October seventh, Austin city limits in Austin, Texas. That's Sunday, seven pm, October eleventh Sony hall. That's a Thursday at seven pm in New York, New York. The Big Apple, October twelfth, Sony hall. It's a Friday at six PM, New York, New York, October four, teen Austin city limits, Sunday, seven pm, Austin, Texas. Tober twenty six the Fillmore Friday at seven pm and Silver Spring, Maryland, October twenty. Seventh Wilbur theatre Saturday. Seven pm in Boston as -chusetts topa twenty eight. The strand is sunny seven PM at Providence, Rhode Island. Okay. February fifth, centrum seen Tuesdays, seven PM on Oslo Norway. They'll be happy there February sixth Frye who suit Wednesday at seven, thirty pm and Stockholm, Sweden everywhere. Eighth Vega main hall in Copenhagen Denmark, that's Friday at seven pm, February tenth at the paradise of the Paradiso Sunday at seven pm in Amsterdam, Netherlands Holland, baby, February eleventh. Sigo CIGNA l. even saying it right Monday at seven pm in Paris, France and February, thirteenth London, the zero to shepherds, Bush empire. When. Seven pm London, United Kingdom. Great Britain, of course, Chiro Chapin all that good stuff. February fourteenth, zero to shepherds, Bush empire. Second day Thursday, seven pm and London once again United Kingdom. So there's the tour dates for the revolution. Check them off. You can. Well, good people the planet earth and the known universe. Thank you. Once again, this is captain Keith been listened to the Golden State media concepts, music, podcasts, appreciate you. All listening. Got love for you. Thank you. I had a good time. I hope you did. And next week I promise we will review Saab's new record telltale signs. It's like a dream pop ambient real cool album. We're also going to do. Nicki Menaj with Queen her new record. And I'm going to do. The group is called m. b. o. c. their jazz group and they actually have vocals with instrumentation. And that album is called the album. It's called newborn outcry, which is where m b, o c stands for. So we'll be doing that. And if I can squeeze in, I will be doing the midnight hour which is features. Raphael Sadique, and Adrian young. That's their brainchild album that got some really cool instrument. All like iron be soul instrumental tracks on there and some vocal tracks with people like ceelo green lady buck mecca. Luther Vandross Raphael Sadique. So I will see that can squeeze that into. I can give you four of us for that month to make up for not having the telltale science from Saab's this one, but. Once again, like I said, that'll be next week. So thanks again for listening and I'll see somewhere out in space. You've been listening to the Golden State media concepts, music podcast part, though the Golden State media concepts, podcast network, you can find this show and others like it at WWW dot GS, MC podcast dot com. Download our podcast on itunes, Stitcher sound class and Google play just type in Jesus MC to find all the shows from the Golden State media concepts podcast network from movies to music from sports entertainment, and even we are us. You can also follow us some Twitter and on Facebook. Thank you. And we hope the of today's program. Is Ron down from my eyes long. Somebody somebody. Badeah fun. Somebody. Alexa play hits from Queen. Okay. With Amazon music of voices. All you need get tens of millions of songs. Download the Amazon music app today is maybe them is my left me no on stars goal shoe honest. Tell me what you do to me cafeteria. They never know. 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