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From the newsroom the financial times, John, I'm season blimp Sam. Today we're looking at Europe wherein session she Brexit and the threat of global trade walls has overshadowed a corporate success story Montano discuses how European companies have bounced back since the financial crisis with Sarah Gordon. Our business editor, however, Agnew in Paris. I laugh store back in Frankfurt and Michael stuttered in Madrid. Sara this week in the financial times, we've been running a series about Europe's corporate comeback since the financial crisis. What was the starting point for the series? Well, starting point is really a series of conversations and reporting that I did with European chief execs and business people in general. And I felt that certainly in the paper in general, a loss of political noise was obscuring. The fact that much of corporate Europe was performing incredibly well had bounced by very, very strongly from the financial crisis, and that there was a radio important regional story to tell. It's very easy, particularly if you watch the news or indeed, right? The news as we do to think that the main things going on at the moment, all the prospects of an imminent global trade war because of Trump's imposition of tariffs on China or Britain, leaving the EU and how badly wrong that could go all the rise to power of rather unstable populace coalesce. Shen in Italy, but I think that political noise has obscured what's really going on in the ground in terms of company performance. How did you find that the response to the financial crisis has shaped the fortunes of many of the companies in the region? I suppose the bottom line is that if you survived the financial crisis and there were record levels of bankruptcies, he became fitter and Lena as a result of it. And of course, the financial crisis was incredibly painful, particularly for countries like Spain and Greece, but to survive companies already had to adapt to a new reality. And that was a new reality where their relationship with their funders had to be former professional far more based on business plans. You had a tradition in much of southern Europe in particular, a very cozy relationships between companies and their local banks not much challenge put to company management off to the financial crisis companies really had turn their gaze outside Europe. They really had to look for the new growth or. -tunities particulars. Some of the domestic economies of Europe were upset. He ravaged by the crisis. And what that meant is that if you manage to survive, you tend to be more active outside Europe than within it. You will have added several markets in places like the Middle East or in Latin America for those punish companies. And you also have a more solid and robust source of funding twenty seventeen. Was the in a sense when this all flourished in you had record profitability and domestic demand, which was the one missing component from the good corporate story, domestic demont rooty recovering. So now the question is, what do they now need to make that growth model really sustainable for the future and to maintain Europe's competitiveness, crucially against the rest of the world. One of the pieces focuses on Germany, which you've written Olaf Germany being the powerhouse of Europe, particularly it small and medium size companies, the so-called mittelstadt and you spoke to several middle stunt manufacturers and visited them. Can you tell us what you found out about their priorities? Yes. The theme which came up in talking to every company was that those companies really take belong term view. You're talking about unlisted family owned companies which quite often have been around for several generations. So for instance, I visited Klaus Fischer who runs Fisher vaca in a small town sort of Cardi the company which basically invented plastic wall plaques, almost fifty years ago tells to show it's seventy seven years old, and I asked him what is driving you? And he told me, well, I inherited this company from my father and my duty is to keep it going into secured long-term future. And did you find the middle stent to be as thriving as it's often portrayed to be? Yes. Obviously they can't decouple themselves from the global economic cycle. Many of them have export ratio of seventy to ninety. Percent, which means nine and ten product. They sell abroad, which obviously, if there's a recession triggered by Brexit or by global trade, all those companies would be hit. But the way they did business and how they would deal with any crisis is I think one of the key differences took these Anglo-Saxon capital market driven approach to capitalism. So I visited Thome Funston which is a machine toolmaker also close to stood guard, and they came through the financial crisis of ten years ago without laying of any single worker. And they told me in any kind of future crisis. This would also be the owning families key objective to basically not having to fire anyone and a year ago, they started to form a crisis team which is meeting regularly and thinking about how the next economic crisis could look like in this crisis committee started to work in a year which turned out to be the best financial year in the company's ninety five years of history. So they are really. Trying to look ahead and brace for potential downtown's apart from this long term outlook, what is the secret source of the middle stance success? One key ingredient is real obsession with the product. These companies make. So quite often, they are really looking at market niche Decio of Delaware, which is a specialist gloom maker. She told me that they are looking for product nature's, which are too small for the really big giant in the industry, but also big enough for them to be successful and the real obsession to make the best product. I actually struggled to get to talk to some executives of small Middleton companies because they don't have a press department. Quite often. The switchboard wouldn't put you through to the assistant of the because those guys aren't really interested in broader publicity. They deal with the clients and focus on their product, and this is all they care about another kind of key ingredient is financial independence. So these companies tend to have. Very little debt and really try to not having been cast to tell them what they have to do a very good relationship to work as another key ingredient Klaus Fischer told me his goal is to return his workers enterpreneurs who then come up with the best ideas usually because they are the one to really know the product and the production techniques and what's wrong on the factory workflow. Actually, what's fascinating. Thanks. So switching now to the luxury goods sector Haret you cover some of the big French luxury goods companies. What do you attribute their success to? The big luxury houses have seen a remarkable comeback since the financial prices and really the powerhouses in this space. A European. So does the two big conglomerates in fronts? LVMH and carrying and then also mez, which is based in France. Really. They've been fueled by Chinese shoppers, especially Chinese millennials and more and more that buying home in Asia as well as on their travels to Europe. I. I think what's changed more recently is that were in the pasta was indiscriminate gains across the luxury industry. Now we're seeing a much greater polarization between winners and losers. So really the Browns have adopted that digital strategies and reinvented this tool formats a putting away from some of their rivals who've been less quick to adapt within the big groups. You have many different boutiques and sesame. This is allowed a lot of the brands to grow because they let them have their own creative independence, but then they backed them up with all the other things that they can sort of consolidated group level which proves quite helpful and pow. Do you see any threats emerging to that success at the moment that's macro economic concerns over shattering, the luxury sector. Not only is there a prospect of global trade will particularly between US and China, but also last week when LVMH, which is the leader in the sector and the sort of bellwether that everyone looks to when LVMH reported its results. It said that Chinese authorities are stepping up. Border checks on travellers for undeclared items that are picked up in cities like Paris and London. So we've seen a massive selloff in the sector in the past week or so, really on these investigators, that demand from the all important Chinese consumer might be cooling off. Well, that is definitely something to watch. Thank you Harriet. Switching now to Spain, this being a very strong recovery, including in construction and infrastructure companies, which before the crisis were very focused on their domestic market and they've managed to survive. And in some cases, even prosper since then, Michael, tell us about that. Well, short on Thurs the many of them didn't survive a huge number went bankrupt, but for those that did they survived by the being the very best and cloth in terms of quality and costs or more frequently by focusing very heavily on the export market and with Spanish infrastructure groups. Which are now some of the biggest in the world. They very much whether the storm by becoming extremely competitive internationally and many. This more manufacturers did the same one Spanish. As me said to me if you months ago that they had a simple mortar during the crisis which was export or die. Harry, you looked at one of the biggest challenges that European companies are now facing, which is an inability to recruit the stuff that they need. Tell us what you found out going out to visit some of these companies in fronts. While we have this paradoxical situation, FRANZ, where on the one hand, unemployment is at nine percent that's among the highest in Europe yet if you speak to any mid size company, they'll tell you that the main difficulty is hiring the finance minister, Bruno Lomas said the other day that the question of skills is the most important economic issue in France today. And he said that the system of learning in France is not providing the skills to needed. So as we see this. Tentative economic revival in France that the worry that one thing that could put a brake on this is difficulties in hiring. I went to a time called Shola which knit known in the west of France. And I went to see a factory that by a company cooled boy, Idaho, which is the leading French manufacturer of Tarraco to building materials. And I spoke to the both STA who said that it's difficult at the moment to hire bed skilled and unskilled workers. And he said that last summer they had to increase delivery time because there was a death of maintenance workers for its production sites, and he made the point that maintenance activities and not skewed to one industry said there's a competition for maintenance workers across industries. They could jump in there. I'm in one of the things that is typical of the whole of Europe and not just to France is this issue of a skills mismatch. We now have a much higher skills mismatch in Europe than we do in the US and in Asia. So the specific skills that employers are now seeking. Are in very short supply. So that's obviously particularly high things like, hey, I and software engineering, but it's actually across the board. It's an engineers, for example as well. Yeah. I mean, I think the situation in France is that, yeah, there's a skills imbalance between supply and demand, and then at the other end of the spectrum is quite generous welfare system, unemployed people that doesn't always motivate them to look for job. And there's also a lack of adequate housing. Women have the jobs are located seen from abroad. The French economy seems to be own upward trajectory, Harriet. But what do you hear from French companies that you've meet about what they need to keep the momentum in this comeback? Well, I think FRANZ is in the slightly tricky situation at the moment where eighteen months into microbes presidency. Some of the sheen is wearing off a little bit and clearly his through a lot more reforms than his predecessors notably to free up the labour market. But we're waiting to see the economic impact of these reforms trickle down into people's everyday lives. When you look at the skills shortage in particular, I mean, mackerels per overhauling Francis system of professional training, but the center of his reform agenda. But I think while the number of initiatives have been put in place, you can't whisk up skills overnight, and it will require a strong dialogue between the companies, professional education and higher education. Olaf this question of talent is that the biggest challenge faced by Germany's middle stunt? And what are the other issues that you think could hinder their further growth? The lack of talent of increasing difficulty of recruiting a high skilled workers is definitely one of the key obstacles for many companies, especially in very in baden-wuettenburg these house German economic powerhouses when in many areas your full employment, for instance at Thome f- if you're Trump employee and you recommend somebody else who will be hired by them, you get a one thousand euro Bono's at the moment and these companies why they are paying higher wages also compete with. Like Porsche and dime. Lhasa really consumer brand companies, which quite often are seen as more attractive employer by Yang people in graduates. Another more structure challenge for German companies is digitalization because traditionally the middle shunt is really strong in mechanical engineering and related areas. While software and IT isn't necessarily the traditional key strength of German middle fan companies. But this isn't necessarily the case for every company. One example of German middle Sean company, which is really successful in IT and software related areas is brain lip. It's Munich-based health tech company which makes software to visualize neuro and spine surgeries for doctors, they told me that they looked at the question, should we move part of our own to places like India, maybe the Silicon Valley, but they always came to the conclusion that it makes much more sense for them to keep it. Simunic wages are competitive and living costs are relative to the Silicon Valley rather audible. Yeah. I mean, that sort of flies in the face of this idea that robots replacing humans, particularly in engineering manufacturing companies. Interesting stuff. Thank you very much. That was Martino talking to Sarah Gordon harrieta Arnold. I love still back and microstart. You can find a link to us areas on Europe's corporate comeback in our shea nights. Thanks for listening. We'll be back with another niece feature. 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welcome to dishing up nutrition with licensed nutritionists and dietitians from nutritional weight and wellness weeks plane. The connection between what you eat and how you feel. Stay tuned for practical real life solutions for healthier living through real food nutrition down. You've got to make mom last just kicking down the cobblestone. The phone cruising, welcome to dishing up nutrition. I'm Cassie Wenas. I'm a registered and licensed dietitian, and I have been for about the past twenty years and you listeners know as well as I do that every day, there are new nutrition studies coming out. So of course, I'm always trying to stay on top of things and read those new nutrition studies. I love to do that because it's my passion. It's what I'm interested in, but I also love to do that so that I can share that new information with all of you and help get you on the road to your best health. And I know every one of our longtime listeners understands that what we eat affects every cell in our body, what we eat affects every cell in our brain. Think about that. And today we're going to be talking a lot about how what we eat affects the cells of our lungs today. Our show is all about as. Ma particularly childhood asthma. I think everybody knows that asthma is a long lasting lung disorder, but some of you may not know that l- asthma, excuse me, a fax twenty five million people of all ages in the United States about seven million of those twenty five million asthma sufferers are kids and about three million of those twenty five million are very young kids even as young as three years old. Now, if you're a parent of a child with asthma, you know, well, that those asthma flares can be scary as Ma inflames and narrows the Airways, and then the child starts to cough and to we's or maybe some of you. Listening are adults with asthma. So maybe you know this feeling very well, the wheezing, the tightness in your chest, the shortness of breath. You can only imagine that as a young child, that's really scary to not be able to breathe and sir. Early, it's scary for the parents to watch this unfolding. So I hope you stay with us all our today because we have some great information not just about the mechanics of asthma, but about how you can change your child's diet or your diet for that matter to help alleviate the symptoms of asthma and joining me today as my co host is Leo Wetzel. Leah is a certified nutrition specialist. She's also a licensed nutritionist, but what I think is even more important than all of her credentials is that she has her own personal story about how she put her asthma into remission with good nutrition. So today we're going to have leeann share what worked for her. She'll highlight some of the current research out there and talk about how nutrition can help reduce asthma attacks and lung inflammation. All of this talk about catching our breath. A minute here and catch my breath and say, welcome to the show, Leah. It's so great to be on the air with you really great beyond with you this morning gase it's going to be a really great show, and I think we should just start right off with having you Leotard about how you successfully changed your nutrition to reduce the amount of inflammation in your lungs. And I know that you love to read the research probably even more than I do. So I know you have some great research to share as well, but do you wanna talk a little bit more about your story, sir? Sure. Well, good morning to the listeners. You know, this may sound strange, but I started with the belief system that I was eating something that was eating or drinking, maybe causing my lungs to be inflamed. You know, my asthma wasn't genetic and it wasn't from air pollution. I mean, that does definitely doesn't help when you're when you have. Condition like that, you really underlying the biggest thing that helps me get off of my asthma medications and stop using my rescue inhaler daily was was when I changed my diet. So the biggest thing for me it was it was what I was eating was causing my lungs to be inflamed. He no on research from the national heart on long and blood institute published in the New England Journal of medicine marched who eighteen found that increased odds of inhaled steroids did not prevent severe flare ups. So basically extra Sarid medication did not help and their side effects. There are bad side of an exile of taking steroids. Yes, so I knew I needed to look at another source to be symptom free. And as a nutritionist, I looked at foods. Are well known to cause inflammation whether in your lungs or for some people that inflammation is in their knees, right? Or in their head of they're having chronic migraines formation manifest in many different ways. You know, when I looked at my diet prior to coming to work at nutritional weight and wellness, many years before it was full of high sugar juices and sugar. I knew that soda was high in sugar, but I had no idea that Jews was just as inflammatory and high in highs as sugar as soda and is contained so much right. So much invited sugar, a lot of sugar in that juice. And I think you're certainly not the only one, I unless you study nutrition. I don't think people stop to to ponder as what is in juice and how does that compare to sorta? But like you have said, Leah juice contains. About the same amount of sugar. If you look out for our, it's it already close. I didn't some. It is the same. The same depend which juice in which pop. So think about it this way your lungs don't know the difference. They don't know if you just got that sugar load from a Beila mountain dew, or if you just got that sugar load from a big bottle of apple juice or orange juice, right? And as I was preparing for this show, I came across some really sobering research here that I wanna share with everybody. Juice pop other sugary drinks are the cause of about one hundred eighty four thousand deaths each year worldwide. Oh, oh my goodness. Isn't that just obnoxious? That was reported back in two thousand fifteen. If anybody wants to read that research further in a journal called circulation, it was in their August two thousand fifteen publication. Now of those one hundred and eighty four thousand deaths. They determined that. About one hundred thirteen thousand were from diabetes. So do you see the link here too much sugar from the orange juice and the mountain dew and the sweet tea and you get diabetes and then complications of diabetes lead to death of those one hundred eighty four thousand deaths worldwide from high sugar drinks about forty, five thousand come from cardiovascular disease and about six thousand five hundred come from different forms of cancer. So again, all of these deaths were the result of inflammation from beverages, high in sugar, whether it's pop or Jews or sweet tea or how about these coffee drinks? Yes. Oh my goodness. I am even seen so my my son is twelve. He'll be thirteen soon. A lot of his friends. I feel like are addicted to these foo foo coffee drinks, the mocha's the Frappuccino and I don't think they or their parents realized how much sugar is. In them, right. An big discussion in the office when I'm working with a young one that has asthma or any other sort of inflammation is what are they drinking? I mean, not only what are the eating, but a lot of times people really don't realize the level of sugar that they're consuming on their beverages and a lot of times that that target age range. Yeah, that is where they're going to their coffee shop and getting those high sugar coffee drinks. And I think you're exactly right that they don't realize what's in them. Right, right, right, right. You know, I think this research reflects the overwhelming problem with most of the beverages available today. You know, I drink a lot of fruit juice, not realizing that if I drank one sixteen ounce juice, you know, I was getting at least about forty, five grams of carbohydrates. Let's over what I would consider a meal worth of carbohydrate, right in a little. You know, five, five minute maybe timeframe, and that's over eleven teaspoons of sugar. You know, however, you know, I didn't drink, you know, one bottle of juice. You know. I would often in a day's time. I would drink three to four bottles of juice every day. So I where I used to work at the time, they would sell them in the vending machine. So I would go and get a bunch for the day on, you know, thinking again. Oh, I'm tween. Good. I'm not drinking, not drinking, so it. Yeah, yeah, seven hundred soda. But yeah, I would drink a lot of juice in. So some days I was drinking forty, five teaspoons of sugar, and then you know, that's without even what foods you right eating that so row. That's a lot of sugar circulating, yes, in I really just didn't realize how unhealthy my juice drinking habit was for my lungs and because you know, somehow I had bought into all of the advertisements on TV or magazine. Jeans. Even some, you know, health magazines will say that this is the route to do for for drinking and health. It's a lot of juice waters better. Right? Well, we have our first break, Cassie. Oh, ready, y'all, ready? It goes fast. You're listening to dishing up nutrition brought to you today by nutritional weight and wellness. The frequency of asthma has ridden risen in the US over the past thirty years and many researchers believe that the process food diet. Many Americans are eating is the root cause a two thousand seven studies showed that children who grew up on eating real food like what we talk about on this show every week, right? We're less likely to have asthma, like symptoms today. We are discussing the change I made in my diet to put my asthma symptoms into remission. I changed from eating a high. Sugar processed foods to a real food diet that cook in my kitchen at home. You know, stay tuned as we outlined my personal approach to eliminating my asthma symptoms will be right back. Welcome back to dishing up nutrition since we're discussing asthma and lung health today. I think it's important till book at specific nutrients that support healthy lung tissue. I think a lot of you realize that omega three fish oils help to reduce inflammation, but to reduce lung inflammation. The research actually indicates that the omega six fatty acid called GLA or the longer name is gamma. Lennick acid is the preferred fatty acid. GLA is what we call an activated fatty acid, and it supports healthy tissue really throughout the body, but it really works on those lungs. It seems to target those lungs and reduce inflammation there. That's sort of its specialty. It's also the fatty acid that's been. Official for hair growth, healthy skin and strong nails. So again, GLA is a key fatty acid for reducing inflammation in the lungs and for keeping the lung tissue, flexible and healthy on that. Note, if you're wanting to supplement with healthy fatty acids to help heal your asthma for adults, we would recommend starting with two thousand milligrams of omega three fish oil capsules, or you can do that in a liquid form. And then add on six hundred milligrams of GLA that gamma Lena Lennick acid. If you're wanting to start your child on fish oil supplements and possibly GLA leeann I think it's best to work with a licensed nutritionist or registered dietitian to find the right amount for your child based, not just on their needs, but on their side out as we were talking about in the break room, you know, the size of a twelve year old vary, so very because they haven't hit there. Some have said, I'm happened some yet, right? Hit their growth spurt yet. So four year old and a fifteen year like they're exactly you know, everyone is a little difference, right? Yeah. And both of these nutrients were really critical for my recovery, I both are are very much therapeutic and very helpful in my experience for helping with my asthma symptoms. And you still take? Yeah. LA to keep your asthma gone on. Yeah, and also the mega three. Yep. Okay. Yeah, very good. So before break, we were talking about the shook sugar hidden in our veges was you know, sharing my experience about what I thought was healthy vol. My juice consumption, and in some cases equaling forty, five teaspoons of sugar a day. I bet this is new information for a lot of people that, oh my goodness, if I'm feeding my child juice, I'm really just feeding them pure sugar. Yeah. So I really want the listeners. To stop right now and answer this question. Are you giving your child juice regularly? You can answer loud, maybe leeann. I'll even hear you hear you shout loud enough. Are you giving your child juice regularly if you answered? Yes. Today's the day to stop. Yes. Stop drinking the juice switch to water. Yes. And I would say that that's really easy to say, right. It's right for kids. You know, kids can be very particular and if they're well adjusted to drinking Jews going from drinking straight, choose to drink in plain water may not be the one step to the shrivel up into not drink anything. Right? And so I often will advise clients of, okay, so we just need to just them to the taste of restricting plain water. So we'll start with delusion and we'll start with your adding some water to the Jews and. Them used to that and you had a little bit more and little bit more and a little bit more. And before you know it, you can really ultimately just of lightly color your water with the giraffe are two of juice, and they'll just take it right down. They need that adjustment that you need to find alternative replacements for kids because they'll just protests. Yeah. In some cases, some cases, maybe we'll be a great new. Maybe they will do it, but no, no, your child? Yeah, you listening know your child, and I think you're rightly of that for most kids you're going to need to slowly adjust because you know what? We, we heighten our tolerance to sugar. So we need more and more and more. And then if all the sudden you cut off at sugar, that's not going to be interesting to them at all. So we have to retrain their tastebuds exactly another idea and something we do here and there at our house when the kids are getting a little bored with water is something called fruits and green. Yup. I know you do that sometimes too. And if you wanna learn more about this product, it's a powder mix that you put in. Water. You can go to our website at weight and wellness dot com. Click on products, and you'll find this fruits and greens powder mix. It's just one little scoop. You added to a big Lhasa water and it's zero sugar, but it's got a little natural sweetness to it. It's full of antioxidants, so antioxidants are those things that help protect our lungs and protect all of our organs really. And there's so many different flavors and I honestly love them. All right now we have the strawberry Kiwi knife because that's what my daughter loves so, and it is delicious. I like to put the Expresso one in my smoothie sometimes in the morning. That's great. So that's another flavored berry one. Yep. Yep. There's all sorts of different flavor and they keep coming out with different flavors, which is really fun with new one. Yeah, and my kids love hall of them and a lot of time we're just going to get out of the season now. But our popsicles at home are dynamic greens with maybe we little natural. Lemon or lime juice and water because love them they and you're just smirking in the background. Oh, you don't know. I'm just load new up with nutrients right rights. Awesome. A lot of ways to use it and kids I have yet to meet a kid that hasn't liked the dynamic green. So yeah, it's a nice one to have around kinda fill into. Yeah, I think you're right. But yeah, like we were saying you for most kids. You're gonna need baby steps. Maybe some creative replacements like diluting that juice or trying the dynamic greens. Yep, Yep. And you might be asking, so why sugar so bad for our lungs. The answer is quite simple. Sugar causes inflammation. We want to know want to know more. You know, I cruise you to go to our website. We have tons of great information about this at weight and wellness dot com. You know and pull up our blog called sugar aches and inflammation that was written. On February fourteenth of two thousand seventeen. Now, you know, when I think about the drinking of all that juice, all I can really think about is the sugar aids x. inflammation a, I love that. At that time I was, you know, my late teens, early twenties. I had lots of inflammation, lots of pains. I remember joking, like, whoa, I feel like I, you know, I middle aged like, I'm yeah, gene rapidly and they all, you know, I'm pretty close to forty and now you know, and now it's like g backward slow. The aches and pains are gone like it was causing effects a direct relation to their issue. I was drinking. There is a direct correlation, right? But I and I know the faithful dishing up nutrition listeners know that sugar causes inflammation, but I bet the new listeners to our program don't know that this is new information reminds me of a conversation I had with my brother about a year year and a half ago. He his elbow had swelled up. He's a farmer rancher back home. So he's doing a lot of physical labor. His elbow had swelled up, so big or swollen up. It was just ugly. Of course. If you knew him, you'd know he'll never go to the doctor and he asked me what I thought about this elbow and. I said, I think you're eating too much sugar and the look on his face. You could tell like thought I grew to heads like that was, and this is a smart guy now graduated valedictorian, but that was a connection he did not know. So I think we have to remember that this isn't knowledge that everybody has, but sugar equals inflammation as Yep. And we'll have to talk more about this. I know we just get into this conversation. Yeah, right. But it's break time. You're listening to dishing up nutrition. We are discussing lung health and nutritional habits that can reduce your child's risk or your risk of developing asthma. Emets surprise you that upwards of seventy percent of people with asthma, also have acid reflux or also known as GERD which can cause an can make asthma more difficult to control. After break, Cassie woes suggest ways to eliminate acid reflux and thus reduce your asthma symptoms. We'll be right back. Hey, cravings. What's up? Not you because I'm taking you down. 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My name is Cassie Wenas and I'm in studio today with Leo Wetzel before we went to break, Liam mention that I would talk about ways to get rid of acid reflux when we came back. So that's what I wanna do. And I have to say, helping people get rid of acid reflux or what some people refer to as GERD which stands for gastro esophageal reflects disease. It's truly one of the things that I really really enjoy about being able to do as a dietitian, maybe partly because I just have a lot of clinical experience. So it's it's kind of second nature and that makes it fun. But also I understand what it's like to have a child with acid reflux from my own personal experience as a mom. Some of you may have heard my story on dishing up nutrition before, and I'm not going to go into all the detail, but my son suffered from GERD gastro esophageal. Reflects disease as a baby, which I don't think is all that uncommon, but his never went away and I talk on one of our past podcasts about how the doctor at age four. So Riley at age four was on an adult dose of Prevost said and the the reflects started to rear its ugly head. Again, even though he's taking us adult dose and I doctored for awhile ended up at, I won't say where I ended up. I ended up in another doctor's office that specialized in gastroenterology and the doctor just wanted to double his already adult though it was. It was so discouraging, but long story short, I walked out of there. Never went back and and took alternative routes to figure out Riley's issues. One thing I found and that I find is a problem for most kids, especially with acid reflux is that they're lacking good bacteria in. Their intestinal tract. If there's a deficiency of good bacteria in your intestines, think about it. Your food is not getting digested properly, so it sits there longer than it should, right. It's not moving through in a timely manner. And so it's more likely to back up into the Asaf against along with those gastric juices and caused that that acid reflux. So that was a piece of the puzzle with my son. You know, every story is different, but with my son that didn't totally cure it. When we found out he had Ceac disease and remove the gluten, that was a big piece of the puzzle. But over the years I found out that he had some other food sensitivities as well. And so that really made a difference, especially once we removed soy dairy and corn. Those were three biggies. So we are gluten free. We are dairy free. No soy no corn. Some people listening might think, what do you eat. Harbin you do that and what do you eat? But I have to tell you when when his reflects went away by removing those four things, I was so happy to do it. Yeah, you know. And the house was just happier because Riley was sleeping through the night. So think about it this way your lung health starts in your intestines. It's so important to make sure that those kids have good gut health and get rid of the foods that they may be have sensitivities to in order to avoid inflamed lungs and get rid of the asthma, and those of you that listen regularly, you know that Leah is a parent of two young kids. I am a parent of two middle schoolers, so we certainly understand that it's hard to change up a child's diet? Yes. When they have their habits and they're used to certain foods, it's hard. But I think back to when we got diagnosed with Ceac disease and the dairy allergy, those two diagnoses. Came at the same time. You can imagine. I cried. And so for well-meaning it's overwhelming and it was Riley and his sister, and then I found out I had a dairy allergy and gluten intolerance which ultimately was great because we're a team, but I sat down and met with the owner of nutritional weight and wellness with Dr you would think, okay, I'm a dietitian. I can figure this out for myself, but it was so overwhelming. I needed to sit down and talk through things with somebody else and get their feedback and their direction. So what I'm saying is I think any and all of you out there who are parents of kids with asthma, and you want to change their diet for the better to try to get rid of the asthma or at least lessen the symptoms. You need the support of a licensed nutritionist or a registered dietitian. It is so worth it. So if you're interested in learning more or if you know you want to set up an appointment, you can call the office today at six, five one six nine nine three four, three eight, right, right. Thank you for sharing that. I think it's really helpful for. Parents, you know to hear these stories of success of that? Yes. You can make a difference by doing the effort and making this change with the diet and it. Like I said, it's so worth it. I mean, I look at at my son now compared to what he was and he's he can run so much longer and he's such an active kid that loves sports, so that's great. His hair is so much healthier, his nails, no longer peel and crack, and he can sleep through the night because he doesn't have the acid reflux, just so many wonderful benefits of finding the foods that work for your child is -actly. Exactly. I wanted to share a little bit. I was going to do this and then Leo you cut me off. I had to go to the darn it. Yeah, you did the right thing, but, but I was looking at the most recent book that Dr Mark Hyman wrote some of you may have heard of it already. I think we've talked about it on past shows. It's called food. What the heck should I eat great, great practical title. In his book. He says sugar sweet. Eaten beverages are the single biggest factor contributing to obesity and also linked to type two diabetes, fatty liver kidney failure, high blood pressure and more end of quote, and we know that more that Dr Hyman is referring to includes asthma, right? Right, right, right. You know, when I cut out Jews, I definitely notice wasn't a cure, but there was some improvements with my asthma. You know what? I also started at that point to lose weight. I lost fifty pounds and you know, through this journey at the end of the journey, I was able to get off of my inhalers. That is great. You know, in another sobering fact here to share with the listeners is that the incidents of asthma in the United States has markedly increased over the past thirty years. I think you already mentioned that early on in the show Leah and. I can see it all around me. I mean, I go into school Riley caught a little bug here, not that long ago. And all you have to do is stand in the nurse's office for a couple minutes, and you'll see several kids at least in a school, our size, several kids coming in to use their inhalers. Yep. I mean, it makes me think what has caused this increase when I went to school, I did not no one single child with asthma, right me neither. No, I need on. I think we have to look at food. One thing for sure is Americans are eating more and more processed foods and as a whole Americans are eating fewer and fewer vegetables and fruits. And those processed foods are not only high in sugar which contributes to asthma, but they also contain most of them a lot of bad fats. Right, right, right. You know, in fact, there is evidence that people who died diets higher in vitamin c, fundamental e. beta-carotene magnesium. Selenium and a mega three fatty acids have lower rates of asthma. And we think about those foods. We're talking about food, the real foods, the, you know, the fruits and the vegetables and the healthy fats like right, mega threes from good wild caught salmon as close to the earth as positive tacky. Exactly. So one research study about asthma and diet found that teens with poor nutrition. We're more likely to have asthma symptoms. You know, after reading that study, I decided it's time to give up the chips in the process food and start cooking my meals. You know, I started cooking my meals with maybe not great choices like pasta or pizza at home, making my homemade pizzas right. Not realizing probably back then that those were high sugar foods. Exactly. You know, because frankly, you know, that was all I really knew how to cook at the time. Unfortunately, that didn't work. Well, for me because my asthma symptoms got worse in more inflammation, it was. So to back to that research, I, I was looking more at the connection with food and asthma. You know what I think we should pause here for a minute talking about not just high sugar foods, but like I mentioned the bad fats, yes. Can contribute to asthma thick layer on hand in hand. Right, right, right. Think of a store bought crackers. They're going to be a high sugar processed food, but they also probably contain bad fats and the four biggest offenders that people wanna look for our corn oil soybean oil cottonseed oil and canola oil. So if you're in your kitchen gold, your cupboard and grab a box or a bag of something that your kid loves to eat and look ingredient. Yeah, look at the ingredients. You need to read ingredient lists and you want to stay away from the corn oil soybean oil cottonseed oil and canola oil. Yes, you know. And like you mentioned, you were eating the. Pasta the pizza cooking at home, thinking you were doing better, not realizing that it was contributing to asthma because those foods turned to sugar. I think part of the reason why you didn't even make that realization is that for years we were taught the wrong information, right? We were taught high carb, low fat, and we'll get back to that thought when we come back after. All right. Yeah, that you're listening to dishing up nutrition. We invite you to be part of our like minded nutrition community that we actually started many years ago. You know, when we first started teaching the weight and wellness series, we have heard over and over again, lots of success stories. This one, this class theories changed my life. I have more energy. I have fewer aches and pains. My moods are better. My family loves to my cooking now for all of those reasons and many, many more this fall. We want. To help you stay inspired to eat real food through the holiday season? 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It's a great day and I want to repeat what Leah talked about on the the front side of break, October fifteenth through November fifteenth. We will be offering are five most sought after nutrition classes at each of our seven office locations for only ten dollars each. So I encourage you to sign up because these spots go fast at such a cheap price. And you can call six five one, six, nine, nine, three, four, three, eight to sign up or you can sign up online at weight and wellness dot com. And I just want to mention a few of them that are coming up soon that are going to be great classes to be taking. So one of them which I think is very timely is healthy holiday tips and traditions. This will be the class on Tuesday, October sixteenth, in wise Zana from six thirty to eight. Another one, the same class will be offered an Thursday October eighteenth in I think maple grove in that six thirty to eight. The other one is five steps to booster metabol-. I love teaching that such a popular class information on that will be Friday. That's Tober nineteenth and that's an lakeville from ten thirty to twelve pm. Wonderful. And like. Said, just ten dollars for ninety minutes of great information. A steal it is, you know, as I was saying before we went to break, I think that a lot of people for years we're eating things like pasta and bagels and bread because we were taught the wrong information, right? You know, I grew up in the eighties even when I went zoo. Right? And I, you seem so much younger than me. I'm not. You look good, but so yeah, for both of us the eighties and then even into the nineties when they went to college, it was the high carb, low fat message. But truly that wrong message has literally killed millions of people over the years because of all of the inflammation and the the chronic disease that followed. Do you remember at one point we were being told to eat six to eleven servings of breads, cereals, and pastas. That's doesn't that just soun- gross right now. Just think of that eleven slices of bread a day and people were doing that, yeah, right. And what happened to our health? Yeah, inflammation and chronic disease. It makes me think of another little tidbit from Dr Mark hymens book. And he says in their seventy percent of Americans think granola bars are healthy, even though they're really just cookie quote from Mark. I'm pretty much what's the difference, right? So yeah, that comes from Dr Mark Hyman book food. What the heck should I eat? And on that note, what the heck should I eat? I want to encourage everybody to check out a recent blog post on our website. So go to weight and wellness dot com. Click on blogs and then look at the September twenty seventh post called healthy school lunch ideas. I believe it was written by our colleague Treasa Wagner. Yeah, it's there are some great lunch ideas. I got a few. Why had my kids pick a few. You off of there because I knew if they picked the lunch ideas, they'd be more likely to eat them and it's been working wonderfully. Yes, yes. We give lots of tips of. So now what do I do right? And this is Mack infranational simple solutions. Yep, exactly. So back to my story, I gave up drinking juice. Ma am my husband's a little bit better, but when I started eating pasta and and Pete the homemade pizzas like my asthma got worse, you know? So I realized that needed to dig in deeper into the research when I did, I found that there might be a connection to my eating pasta and my asthma. I knew that people a steal, EAC disease are unable to tolerate gluten, which is we try embar -ly. I was unaware that untreated Sealy act disease is the root cause of at least fifty different disease, including cancer osteoporosis. IBS rheumatoid arthritis, anemia, and many. Neurological in psychological disorders such as depression and migraines and even autism. I also knew that I didn't have the genetic gluten sensitivity Ceac, but perhaps I had a non Celia gluten sensitivity, you know? So per Dar's advice meeting with Dr I did the same. Like you? Yes, years ago. Eight years, no. Eleven years ago. A long time ago. Men around a while. Eleven years ago now, yes, I stopped eating gluten grains and I also did dairy too, and my asthma got significantly better a two point where I was able to get off of mine healers while, yes, I don't think a lot of people realize that's achievable. Right? Right. So you gave up gluten and dairy and those were two big pieces of the puzzle, huge night and day difference for me. Yes. Awesome. For that reason today, eleven years now I do not eat bread. And pastas, and pizzas, and cookies, cakes and my asthma has been in total remission for eleven years. Yep. Wow. You know. And I, I've seen that in clinical practice. That's the case for a lot of kids with asthma when they go gluten free and of course get the high sugar foods out there diet. They Mortensen number one step. I'm really glad I did that yet because I maybe went to had such a dramatic change in my asthma symptoms had been eating a lot of other high sugar foods. Great averages. Yeah, great point. Well, you've been sharing some research. I have some here in front of me that I wanna share according to a study reported in the journal called allergy and clinical immunology. This was back in their April two thousand eleven edition. There is a correlation between the number of people being diagnosed with asthma and those who have a gluten intolerant. Interesting, right. And and you are living proof. So if you are a parent listening and your child has asthma. I think you owe it to them, you know it to yourself to them to the whole family to try giving up gluten. So no more bread, no more pasta, no more MAC and cheese, please? No more breakfast cereals. Those have gluten N High sugar and you know, yes, you'll need to find some substitutions, but that's when coming in and meeting with a nutritionist or a dietitian can really be helpful. Yep. It up into day. We're trying to cover all the possible nutritional factors that influence the relationship of either foods or supplements to asthma. You know, last week on our show was all about probiotics and how. And so here's a study reporting the relationship between probiotics bifida, oh, and bacteria. An allergy asthma. This study was done in Turkey and basically found that children who had a higher percentage of bifida bacteria Longo had less asthma and allergic dermatitis. So I started taking bifida bacteria in powder form. And again, my asthma was better. And after a few months you really had shared, I I no longer needed my inhalers. No more coughing number wheezy. No more shortness of breath. Like it was a dramatic shift for me. You are really walking and living proof of that tagline that we sometimes give change your nutrition to change your life. Oh, yes. Yup, you know. And even you've had two pregnancies, you're a busy working mom and you have not had a relapse? No, no, yeah. Each pregnancy I gained fifty pounds and that can be tricky time without a Munich for things to bubble up. And I really have been fortunate that for me, that was a life changing thing that the the intolerances I had those foods Westview key supplements adding in like the GLA, a mega three fatty acids the bifida. Oh, back to low sugar, low. Sugar diet, high fat diet, and a lot of good healthy fats. You know that we were mentioning early fad is important component to it too. Right? You don't wanna just cut out the bad fats. You want to add in the good fats, the butter, the olive oil, all those? Yes. Well, our goal at nutritional weight wellness is to help each and every person experience better health through eating real food. It's a simple yet powerful message eating real food is life changing. I wanna thank everyone today for listening. Thanks for beyond with me today. Kassy's fun to be on with you. You're such a wealth of information so I enjoy hanging out. Right. All right. Have a great day. Thanks for listening to dishing up nutrition. You enjoy this podcast. Please share your favorite episodes with the friend or leave a review on. I tunes Stitcher, or I heart radio the content and opinions expressed are those of the hosts or presenters, they're not intended to diagnose, treat cure, or prevent disease. Craddock's statements have not been evaluated by the FDA.
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Falcons vs Bengals 2018 Week 4: Postgame analysis and thoughts
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to a bit of a somber. Addition of the foul Golic post game podcast. I am your. Quite upset, host, Cory, winter of, sorry. I'm not in my usually Chipper mood bit peeved because the falcons lost very winnable game today, even with everything that have been going on some of those out of their control. Some that was in their control. Some of it was just crummy falcons lot, but we'll get through it like we always do the teams that wanted three things aren't looking great, but hey, at least we've got a podcast for you to get you through the blues. I'm joined of course by no stranger you guys, these alcoholic rider. Podcasters name is Allen. Stirrup Allen, welcome to the conversation. So sorry, we have to Cintra on these events. Yeah, other close to feet. A sexual offence of points are being wasted, and it's just very confusing what's going on because everyone wants to compare this defense to some defenses at the end. The just ten year into began thin, Quinn's tenure ring. I don't remember them being this Overmach to fourteen. They were definitely Overmach. This. One of the most startling statistics I saw was halftime. The Bengals leeann the converts three thirty thousand Obse convertible, three visits out defenses, hopeless, but found Tadic over seven eight is the fact that they don't even get the Bengals. Third downs is tell the story of how sequences nothing to coverage breakdowns in. You came in really complain about the lack of pesticide as I thought the social came on the second half. It's just the mount of coverage breakdowns. Silly penalties. I believe the thoughts, aboard, ten penalties. Anytime you have more intense LT's you're asking for it. Yeah, it was a bad day, and I think that this is the Rigo affect the secondary had been pretty good all season. I mean, the way that teams were getting yard on the falcons was coming through the middle of the field. I mean, they were really doing nice job by in large kind of locking that secondary down the best that they could. But this is the Rico effect. This is what happens when you lose your quarterback of the defense that kind of felts control a lot of that secondary coverage in the way that guys go cover. A lot of that communication was facet that they gave it over to the monta Casey. This was the first game where Devinder Campbell had the green dot on his helmet. Like when it said they leaned on him lot to help the Nuba so that can get Gatien. And of course the most able right now considering he's the most tenured, but you had to new guys running the communication effort. And I thought that the front seven really was not terrible today. I mean, the Bengals were getting their yardage through big plays in the secondary true font offered obviously had to the worst games. Either of those guys have had a very long time. And I think that is because they were missing that communication that Recode give them. Those guys were able to really thrive when they had that free safety who was helping call the coverage is helping to get them in the perfect position to where their talent could come over and make big plays. And when Rico's not back there and he's not able to do that. It completely everything off loop and you're already missing Dion Jones. You're ready missing TNN, Neil. But then you take away the brain of your defense. Of course, it look stupid. I mean, they look, they were embarrassed in that first half. That's one of the worst defensive half as the falcons put forth in years. I mean, it was sincerely then receive. They really could not get a stop in any way, shape or form lucky that the Bengals didn't score more on this. This was actually a winnable game there at the end. It was a bad day for the defense. I feel like we can talk about the offense and talk about all the good that's their right now. They had some holding calls hurt obviously when they had to take the field goal, the end of the game that was very costly that they were not able to fill goal after blocking the putt, that was very costly. But again, the red zone offense had been so sharp. They're not leaving any points off the board in terms of just getting them in general. Obviously, you want to convert more of those touchdowns today, but this is football. You're not gonna get every single resin tune you want as touchdown. And the fact that we went from week one, having them be so porous, in terms of getting anything in the red zone to coming out of what we're getting angry with. Phil goals thing is a huge step. So let's talk about the offense. I, I wanna keep it as positive as we can until we have to go off the rails and talk about the bad stuff, which is there. What did you see from this offense today that allowed them to be so successful against what I think is a pretty good Cincinnati. Bengals defense or hundred and ninety five toll. Yours. That's the first step into Shem, saw one about yours for play by way for fifteen on third down Zoll yet in word hundred sun on in the red zone through for five okays tolling STAN will couple blunders Tim's. But fence align with the likes. GIO Atkins calls Carlos and they're gonna get their pressure until the found alive. She held up earning games little bit shoddy, but they still had their Fisher. Decent gains at the was shot that crippled work loosen this to Burgo view place. Once again, Matt Ryan, just really sharp of than one that could have been potential pick six kind of a little careless there with everything else was spot on throws the Ridley were fantastic. His yet consume newgen more volt offense. He's had a subdued start this season. Those cross crosser is new. Great limit. Ryan too big shot on that play. Tell they're really confidence, passionate, Ryan, outfield, win. Upper Witney used play action to tighten says. They use a lot more to titans said since game and as Logan Paulsen shown. So the offense is just thriving keys. It's really using all's weapon social useless, five wide receiver sets and his will now inches crease mismatch all field. So once office, they're really at top-five Laurie. Now, other than chiefs Rams, I can't really many other offenses that are plan more consistent level yet these wasted. It's really fortunate because all the talk of Matt Reid, potentially declining arm strength, a loss Mercedes' diminishing all ridiculous the week, one in a game where lose. Like eighty five degrees on Thursday night just under storm Sifi it was really farfetched discount all Matt Ryan's done in the last three weeks. I think he's been playing few other than the legs Mahomes golf image breeze best quarterback league. The CD's points wasted as the moralizing because fouth Assisi's clearly really doubt the reason why they were cabbage, trendy SuperBowl pig. And even though all the injuries that don't really put Soglo station, we still spec them to win at all. D- competitivess all they were off Sika petted but you spend finish on games for them not to do that. Some people already should have scored. Sessional Trump scored thirty six points. How much focusing really do they need to score forty points week is this is to just it's ridiculous. The AMI place offense. Yeah, I think when you look at what the offense is doing so well, I mean, again, this was a day where in the past. Lanta struggles against these types of teams with the Bengals or so physical front. And again, the offensive line struggled at times today within the play calling took over circuits that, okay, when we may not be as threatening today, if we're going to be passing it every down. So let me at the wrong angle. Okay. He really did a nice job scheming against what this thing statements was good at what they weren't great at. And I think that's such a growth in point for him to be able to put together game this against a team matches up really well with Lena tries to do. I think when you talk about, you know, the scoring and this and that no offense is going to be as a fish int- as what Atlanta was today. Atlanta was veteran fishes on the offense as you could possibly be in a situation like this. Obviously, there were a couple of times, obviously, you wanna touch down to a field goal. I've eight. The biggest glaring one is when you get down to the fifteen, the holding penalties today. But then again, you know, if they away on those penalties play bit cleaner ball, you might be looking at learn more sacks that are lead up. So you know the times where guy gets overpowered Nesta yesterday over they get caught. So. It's not ideal to have this kind of offense than had this kind of defense. And again, if it Lanta had a full strength defense was running this kind of offense. They would be one of the de-facto best teams in the NFL. They would really be difficult out every single week. But you know, even at the past Russia's doing what it's done earlier in the year that they might be well, you know, I don't. I don't wanna say four, no, because that Philip game probably still gonna be lost, but they would probably be about three in one right now, if they were even strength and maybe even four if Keanu had stated that Philly game. But you know, this is the difficult part when you have so many injuries. I think you know, obviously, Calvin Ridley has been outstanding, Utah. Smith is really good. Mahama's new had a huge game today. Julio looks really good. This year match. Playing at an MVP level. The offense of line is doing enough. It's looking good. It's getting running. It's getting the run game going when it can and when they need to pass pass and they're getting paid for. Attention when they need to be able to get those down another a few sacks today. But the bingles one of the best pass rushes in the NFL. I mean, this is an outstanding front, four Cincinnati's always really worked hard to be able to build these front fours up so that tapping you play team like this. But again, like they've, they're averaging about thirty five points a game over the last three weeks. And when you lose those games and you're doing that much offense of -ly. I mean, it's not hard. The problem is, I mean, obviously right now the Stevens dreadful. I mean, this is a even when they finally got going there in the second half a little bit. They just collapsed at the end. Let any Dalton just had his way. You know it was just this. This is the communication. This defense is completely unorganized, and it is a complete mess right now. And you have to chalk that up to the complete and utter lack of communication in just three affect that when you. Don't have the don't have regarded Kiani. They look like right now. Those might be the three most important players, your defense because they were the guys that were maintaining so much of what Atlanta wanted to do it. It's been tally as communication. This was going to be a smart defense because Rico, so smart smart, they were being call us coverage is out in the health. Probably help cover up a little bit early. Some of the deficiencies we saw the pass rush. So I mean, this is a nightmarish situation for Lanta I, this is I know it's not an unique to us to have to deal with these just unbelievable circumstances, but the only way on out the statements. This is just a complete catastrophe. I mean, this is a even when they can make plays. They still let up a one point game, and there's another thing I think contributed to that which they can fix they're going to have to six. But Alan, what were is this defense right now, I mean, is it really is, is gonna get better with just war time in more patients or right now as just a unit that is now I hate to use phrase but dumpster. Fire. Take early with the matches, not the total Pittsburgh Pittsburgh does have our best offense. So do spec the pass from the stumble beverly's for Chris fit cameras, but I just I'm really serve the secondary because we saw true five until it got the best Ma like Asians are offering spectators lumps against AJ green, but same time, his containment on certain runs off. Once again, touch geo, Bernard Toya wrong-footed in. He did not make tags, but not play. I thought transfer out. They're missing tackles, leading his head, the play, forget. Maybe it was think what she opened, maybe someone else, spin move, where he just totally miss this, just allergic to spend most because you really. Anniston someplace into Suchinda pool. He's been the most consistent over tacklers team. I remember that Rams game this year. Hugest on point. You brought down really every time he met at the now analysis liability up there you just saw. 'cause we mentioned what for around two touchdowns where the one for the job roles right down the seam and both touch on show players like commuting, right before it was net just shows the for chorale. Was there things those issues could mitigated? Yeah, I do think. Ops Jones in Neil are the top two most players end debate between navy credit, Jerry, or car car as just for leadership. MRs Bill organising. We both in south is often. We've talked players in USA command, respect them corral gasp. You know why they go to for vices. He, he's obsessed with film. I know Tolan is always still knows where spots are yet sense how the manning this role is was in Danquah defenses, quote, unquote, the old Thomas role. You'd have to defend space downfield in. You have to make she a physician right in this times where he's going to make that key opened Phil titled prevent touch because the falcons front sevens undersize. So yet because the make up there with the greater the most viable -fensive platelet, I want to the secondary proved because I wrote about it. My previewing, the fact that. Time and time again, got be has very concerning. And also the pouncing offered inch refund had to head of ridiculous fells. You still plays essentially veterans at this point just says thirteen, to least play in a disciplined manner to shoot shooting team fled time and time. Again. They were huge and you know. On Twitter, maybe w, but like when guys get frustrated, this is what happens having somebody from the Pollock said that we could get stupid penalties up. I remember last year often these game, obviously. Great that really done penalty. Those dislike how in the world in such a good player makes a dumb decision, and it's true font, great corner, dumb penalty. But that's just what happens when guys get freshly high-speed things are not going on. You. Let's hope that guys with more opt to stomp on the ground, or, you know, just yell something, you know that's not offensive to Aref would here, but like I, I don't know what you're supposed to do right now with so many injuries such little communication. I think when you saw guys like refund offer doing what they're doing today pools issues, especially when they don't have that communication, they're forced to be. They're forced to use the same like they get dank defense relies so heavily on there just being a couple of guys who are able to hold it down for a mental standpoint because everybody else has just sent to go attack hit. It's just it's, it's a defense, it doesn't. It's those that Seattle scheme doesn't want guys have to think too hard. And I think that's what happened today is that those guys just did not have that communication and everyone's having to over think they're overplaying. They're making dumb mistakes, missing tackles. They're letting Busta coverages happened because they're trying to do too much at one time in that's not heartless easy to do. And again, that's where I guess. You know, if you really feel like this has to be the year, you say maybe go good old Thomas, maybe just bite your tongue left. Go, those draft picks. But then again with the that Rico assigned, there's no really. There's no room for Thomas. And if you unless they wanna get rid of Ricardo Allen, which would just be awful. Considering the biggest gave him there's really no, unless you just wanna have the defacto best safety trio in the league and just paid top dollar for it every week. There's no room for Earl right now. There's no room for early in the future. And with the way the season is going, they're not guaranteed anything. So they're probably not going to make that kind of investment in a guy that may not even be here past next spring. So the I know this is frustrating. But right now the defense is broken and there's no easy fixes. The only fix right now is that these guys are going to have to get more custom to playing fast and physical and smart. Because for you know, for as especially last year, they were able to succeed because they had the. Munich Air's place that were telling them what to do and they could just go make the play. It's easier to do that on the edge when your job is very singularly to get the quarterback tack, did that today at three sacks coming off that groin injury, his ceiling sky high. He's the best pass rusher they have right now. He's got a believe five sacks on the season at this point. So right now he's looking at a double digit sack season, which is just exciting, incredible for him the young player. But you know, Vigdis came on a bit more today than he probably had his best game in the falcon. The season so far, which is very urging because they're gonna need Vic to do that to really justify giving him that extension next year and taking up that much cap space. I don't exactly know. You know, everybody wants to fix everybody wants to see something with this defense right now. It's fixable, but I just don't know of. There's any easy fixes that are reasonable for what the falcons are. Trying to do that. Don't try to really hamstring them in the future to now make the moves. I need to be long term successful, giving up to second round picks for Thomas to meet is a very shortsighted move that might help stabilize things for now than when you get into the future and you're not having those draft picks, and then you have to let go because we goes healthy. Now you can't afford him. It's it would be unwise rental and maybe it might give the falcons two or three extra wins. But like right now, even if you get Thomas is this team, they're not playoff tearful, the offense is, but this defense even worth Thomas would not be playoff material. Simon out of him. That trust there were really looking to make outside. Mealy went to cosign Eric, read. I know it sounds kind of like hindsight, twenty twenty. They were looking outside. It would've Eric in there were made because fact that they kind of gave up onto a not plant molest shows that they're not content. Trying to add a safety on their strong safety that is on the Roth, let you tell that, okay. Richards, come alive, -bility camera. Let him try out because she's kind of heavy hitter. ED's he's has experienced with defense clearly easily light Bill yet. That ain't go for recon shows that did not take risks in. I should look for loss because I don't think draft capital seems clearly not good Thomas yet one of the best free safety in the league. Clearly difference make Thomas player, but just give all that Trump capital also giving around that deal. Value because naval ten, six or nine, seven, but are not as defense status need. Keep all employers Qaisy is putting player do things play more controlled, fortunate enough, get penalized us head onto a lot. This game in that, yes, really learned from you have think he s lot. Some pointers pointing going to quote, show commercial. Dan quits can behead these take the right steps in terms of if protocol link comes to tackle, you want to see play. They're busy cycles, right? Head flags everywhere out bed. You know what? I slept suburban cushy. Tell players play for changed everything about still. I'm not gonna really get him for what's happened because it felt personals, but it's just out, see value in trae fall is team. Deigning looking within even how much struggle, social coach's corner stuff start making plays because it talked about Leslie degrees for peasants won't pass. Now, Brian, pulling overtime, deep crosser, Benjamin Watson. They did bring a few more business game, but. Men coverage expect the players to funnel for being more active in not being penalized as much in they were penalized a lot. Yeah. The penalties were pretty bad. I think the offense of line did struggle with that. A lot holds were not a deal, but most of the time they were able to overcome that to at least get three points. There's one thing I do really want to talk about right now, which is going to be the firmest I've been on this individual probably since he's been here as much as I love the guy, a huge fan of him. Dank win is not a good situation. Football coach accurate. He has struggled with that do entire time here and that decision to go for two today. Not just take the points I thought was I get it. I know hindsight's twenty twenty, but I really feel like you know, in there were times where they went forward on fourth down in the drive, especially early in the game when they really had a nice drive going, and they didn't just. Get the the Bengals further down. The field know that in the first half may not have made a huge difference. But when that Bingol the Bengals have at Dr put them right at the fifty yard line, the defense, a short break. The, I think that these were decisions required gets way too aggressive and he needs to be smarter to just step back and not be so worried with having to make the statement play than in there. I think it's a bit of, I think it's nerves. I think he's a little bit nervous like, well, I don't think he wants to put the the game in his defense his hand right now. It hasn't. He's putting way too much on the offense. And again, I think that's what happened in the Super Bowl, bring it up, but they were afraid to put the game in the defenses hands. He wanted to go, he and Shanahan wanted to go for that kill on that play and they can get it. And obviously a lot happened in that we don't need unpack anytime recently anytime soon. But like. Today, I thought his situational coaching was very poor. The coverages that they're running on defense when teams are going on these long stretches not working running. The deep zone is just not doing them any favors. I know in the situation, do you wanna feel like prevent is the best option for you? But what what they're doing right now is just bleeding yards bleeding time and preventing their offense a chance to try to pull them out at the situation. But I, I don't know if Quinn needs to bring somebody in and he are. He needs to somebody who's just older coach who is really good at situational football. The Rams had jets fish right now and that somebody that land was looking at the quarterback coaches job. You know, I think with again, I think Quincy great coach don't get me wrong. Like I don't wanna be overly critical of a guy who's probably single handedly responsible for getting us to this moment where we can be this disappointed with a teen. It's underperforming. He's the, he's completely different coach. Mike Smith was he's one. Town evaluation and development. He's gotten them, you know, to really good winning seasons in three seasons than others year does look great, but the fault because you know, he doesn't go out injure the guys or anything. But now I think right now. The his, his deficiencies, the situational coach are beginning to show a lot more because the deepens yards and because they're, you know, in such a difficult spot with a roster and it's causing them to make some of these mistakes in the past that were much easy, much more forgivable standout more income with more criticism. I think about what you make the phone call first quarter. I was not a fan. I really feel like they should have punted. No, you wanna play aggressive, but it showed it showed disrespect, Cincinnati, speak fence, and I think that deepens registered that very clearly that they were not going to get the benefit of the down. They were the worst down defense coming into today. And I think that's why those because look, I don't really think we can get this very effective at this, and I think we're gonna get it and Cincinnati said no noggin, not. And I think that tone carry for the rest of the day. And again, that led up getting Cincinnati right there in the middle of field, and they're gonna touchdown out of. It. So I think it was a bizarrely not good move early that you know cost them a lot, four, five at the Cincinnati, forty, four, excessive socially driving game in defense clubs, absorb magic, him deep into hope. You'll allow ninety try by the fence of a bit of heights, but ever play devil's sketchy. Of course, Gyi consume GIO. Acting stints was made low plunder, but not pets, spite gang. Second time. I think sex can't the worst fossil times. Those one where matches got beat inside sales, second goal, and then the other one was super fourth-down. Gene racket. So held just there's no short term solutions. It really is win. Defense allows forty three thirty seven points, clear issues in it's not the usual culprits. I do actually played quite Wilbur. Pistons, he hasn't been devs death-toll east, and then you have the pests has guys like Beasley and the jet coffers show some flashes of welling. The guys are they're coming on as being kind of like culprits over the pests always said all up for these. Go ahead, usual sitter, cystic playmakers may have play makers, but display that you expect on the position and not get be times I am. I really felt the corn Cornerbacks were largely sponsors, sees the ad position time done. Again, you also say courses safeties as well as it just what the could do. Bryant pool was the worst player on the field that he made mistakes time and time. Again. It's not his coverage of that makes him. So just the fact that such a good tackler in usually positionally sounding very good zone, not so much man now, just Michelle in the GRA linemen we saw George Richards couple of weeks, worry. He's missing tackles. He's finishing so they have on sessions mega millions and who knows maybe play kief Tandy, the special teams hero. Yeah. Because it's where they put Kamalesh miles back and saving by Swan's mouth like two hundred thirty. Five thousand heat also be alive that is not built to play that role anymore. People say all he could like, no, they s put on weight sokaia play linebacker. Like when he spent the guy his size, the run Troyer downfield effectively. It's happened. So I don't think design short term solution defense. Decrease in terms of the mistakes that made have to limit those in. So pass rush, continues to steadily improve in. Guys funnel for half the play better because I couldn't believe how many times they will either be coverage or commit unnecessary penalties. I think one thing we take for granted sometimes that we look at the players individual performance and we don't really take into account what other guys doing round them, put them in that position. And I think that's what happened today. Is that Ricardo Alan, really, I think, has been for longtime the most underrate fouth on that roster 'cause he was making other guys better around him by the way he was allowing them to just go. And he was taking care of a lot of thinking for, you know, a lot of the guys in the it's not saying nobody but players, they're smart guys, but when you're having to play so fast, I'm gonna play in a scheme that really calls for you. Just go make a play. You don't have a lot of time to really dwell when you have a guy that has made a career for that in putting you in the proper position. Same time of being a guy who also makes plays. I mean, that's tough. You don't just get over that overnight. I really felt like into this game, the communication was going to be dreadful. And again, at land could've won this game. They done a couple things differently. But at the same time, I don't know if this really would have been more than just a win for a win. I mean, you, you feel better and you have a happy afternoon the victory Monday, but. This team is showing right now that they're not ready to go to playoffs. They're not a team that is built to contend with some of these other innoc- guys. And again, I know that if it gets down to the wire and Dionne Jones is healthy and he's back in this offense is playing well that he must be getting better. You might feel Omay amazing. Just get that wildcard spot going run, but you can't take that planet. I mean, right now, teams are not much different to begin the year than they were winning end of the year. This is always typically Banda Quinn a team that finished strong in December. So I know that this right now, it's just frustrating not to get some of these really close early wins and just say, all right, let's get a win here and will be better tomorrow, but you're not guaranteed tomorrow, gray Jarrett's hurt. I mean he set an ankle injury. Now he wasn't able to play at last drive, tight McKinley wasn't on the field lot for that last drive so about was incredibly bizarre thing hurting way too much. Stephen means. Yeah. I mean, no offense to Stephen made the, he'll actually end up being good reserved for them, but like, no, you can't rely on on the guy like that to be able to make that game play. But again. We have to finally say that like Atlanta keeps putting themselves in these physicians, and this is what happened last year. They had games last particularly in September where they were able to win the last second. Yet the Chicago game, you had the Detroit game. They were two plays last year from starting with three this year. They're seeing that when you have an upside of your ball that is just not getting the job done and these games go to the last second. Sometimes you win. Sometimes you're gonna litters and this year the coins falling on tales. Literally, I mean, looking at New Orleans game like they're not getting it going their way and it's because they're not playing complete football on both sides of the ball. Last year, the offense was struggling, and the defense is having to pick up some of that slack this year, the deepen struggling, and the offense is having to pick up a lot of that slack, but they're just not being able to make that killer moment. Just kind of tip the scale in their favor in two thousand sixteen. Obviously, they're just blowing teams out every single week. A historic offense. They were able to survive that had fed spread until like late November. But this year it's like it's a really good offense. Don't get me wrong and they're scoring the same numbers sixteen instead. But this is a much worse defense because they're, they don't have any communication. At least sixteen off defense. It had communication. It just had a lot of youth a lot of just Bassa claim acres as well. Busy thing on came on the end and Kiawah thought Kyung Neal's really gonna rookie year Grady also had offered as well as they had playmakers. Why seeing play born white? Any. From dementia injured, but often some big places. That's why people talking about all the law status talent. You still have Beasley McKinley Jarrett that's still good enough talent defense line survive. We've been raving truth on offered for years. Why are they slipping? Okay. The linebacker Gord not ideal safeties of the backups. Still another Campbell towns. Appoint where they can allow maybe twenty four thirty points team for ten tall, forty three, thirty seven, and just waste to phenomenal forces from Ryan. It's it's unbelievable. That's why the fans have every right to be fear is not to use injuries as a crutch. Of course, injuries you have to take account because there are these valuable players that are lost, but you can't set up this. Why points allowed at astronomical? Right is what from scores. Fifty points gross still gonna be bringing injuries at some point. Players to step up below may tackles penalties avoided in may Chrissy turnovers like they did keys out, said turnover. Museums, strip is just disappoint you. Disappoint you. Tell the step up is no one in threes continues crunch sites that you have that mindset. This says a player, but someone that's looking outside an whether you're writer fan, whoever may be. Allowing this money points in yards and nine playing teams. Third situ barris, it's not good. It's really bad, and I think the coaching is not network needs to be right now defensively, I think Marquand Manuel staff are gonna have to take much more focus on looking at why they're so many communication breakdowns and finding better ways to get again when they moved the green dot Devinder helmet, think that shows that they're trying things. But right now they just don't have a lot of options. Right? I mean, like unless they're going to trade for old Thomas or you know, go make some big homerun move to try to salvage defense this year. They're relying on a bunch of guys that are just going to have to learn. And this is going to be a really ugly period of growing pains for a lot of these guys that are having to take responsibilities, they didn't think they ever going to have to worry about when the year started as its communication. To me, you just have to look at the. It's just you have to think it's just like. That's why these guys there's doubted are not perform where they normally are. It's just like, because they're at position, they're not. They're not. They don't know what they're doing in a sense where they normally are comfortable with other guys telling them in a way what the need to do. And that's just going to take time that's just gonna take stirring stirring the, you know, the milk in till comes butter. I mean, that's just like, that's just that's just the grunt work and there's nothing they can do right now. I think to make that any better than it already is though the touch on I for touch on the rois more of an about the struggles without car on those plays. I'm not the raw such as solve or Truffaut clearly talking as they were gained to the position to cover. They still didn't know what exactly what was actual coverage play, and I touch shaina of. Of a pool kinda slip in offered. They just want community problems with recall. He's such under a peace end. To sixteen song several times making touched on Saint titled than last you saw the way he was organizing players flows at the lice courage or back fifteen, twenty dollars. It's crucial. And I just don't know what the Casey as towns e is big test from because player that was originally Korbut expect him to be organized rates tougher him. So. They're going to the ride sell. It's done much Wallace, say just hope that they could eventually cut between go from thirty seven forty three to about twenty seven to thirty because this offense clearly showed they're capable scoring. Thirty points every game, and I'll stop short hell Tampa. Bay's not stopping them like appoint the giants. Don't like this. Offense is gonna keep thriving. They're going to average at this rate more than thirty points per game. I'm really concept what they're doing while endless forget it. They're gonna get devante Freeman back lately weekend. Say we want month frames that minute's difference maker delaying tell you. Otherwise, I'm care these overpaid or not have refill front will make place. So it just at this point, the defense still gonna. They have the season limit. Taints to scoring Weber twenty seven thirty points game. 'cause this offense show the Cape away shootouts now just point where three or four place game make does plays limit those penalties, whatever blundered one, the one or two mistakes, whether it's the petrosa keys in against the ones the little conservative. Those players shouldn't determine a game. I get it played difference, but don't let it be the matter of go lead, be ultimate different state or because I'll made it did hurt last week with that. It kind of blew I drive it. Brian pool doesn't let you breeze posted move on. Maybe we're not talking about as much of their coverage breakdown. You know, I think you're right. I mean, right now it's just that side of the ball. It's basically a SIV for sections of the game, and it's just not being able to do anything in when you don't have of your bald, it's functioning. These weird nights are afternoons where you're often scores, unbelievable numbers in USA, lose at happens. I think we look ahead to schedule right now. They have to win the next three. They have to go into this to Pittsburgh and win that gotta beat the bucks at home. They've got to beat the giants in home. If they lose one of those games and they get that fourth loss before the halfway point, they're not going to the playoffs this year. I know. Like right now one in three, it really doesn't look good right now. And if I'm being bluntly honest with you, if I had to guess where this is going, I don't think it's going anywhere overtly fun. I think it's, I think it's one of those just, you know, mid tier years, you don't exactly go foreign twelve. You don't exactly goal twelve in four years. The end up somewhere in the middle. I think nine, seven tends to be the ceiling right now. I think they can get there with this offense, but they can't lose any of these games coming up. They gotta win next week in Pittsburgh. They've got to beat the buccaneers when they come to town the buccaneers look like they're reeling right now. They don't have much of a defense offense manhandled in Chicago, but obviously they've had successor before and the giants this year are they're okay. They're not great. They're not terrible. They're just kinda medium or football team. But if they lose one of those games, they notched that Ford loss before November. I'm not saying they can't, but the same time, they'll be three and four. They'll go into the by week, and then they have to go into Washington on November the fourth which has always been attained this done pretty well against Atlanta. So I'm not real optimistic that they can do that because the Pittsburgh gonna be tough as a hard point in the season has a play that game because at offense is so good and obviously they have to the best may be the best one or two punch it. Receive a right now in the NFL with Antonio Brown and Jewish chooser Smith. So I, I don't exactly know how this is gonna go. So I don't. I don't wanna be too dooming limited. Tell you it's over completely, but it's not good if they lose. If they continue playing, they're playing. We're gonna have to see major upticks on this defense, particularly from communicating standpoint if they're going to be able to make two thousand eighteen south of Louisville year. But right now, you know, it's not the hardest schedule from next sonny's tough, but then they get buck nears giants. The go to Washington, they got Cleveland, which Cleveland not terrible this year. So no, that's a different. They get the Cowboys at home. That's a, that's a navigable stretch. They could come out maybe with a winning record from that. If everything goes the way does like if they could, you know, obviously they could win the next six. You know, you go to six, three, and then you're looking at New Orleans and you kind of looking at that. You look at the two thousand sixteen team at that point, as long as the deepest get going, but they just, they can't. They can't afford lose another game right now. I know that's not a fun thing. You know, tell people on a podcast. They can't afford to lose another game, so are well over we. We look at a future, but right now into game at time, it's really get this. There's no short term solutions at this form. These close losses every loss now has bid possession, ended doom salad feeds. So you have the hope offense keeps fire on all cylinders might Ronchi spines EP level and finches somehow whether it's crate more pressure, forcing maternal richest somehow gain simply gay off the field. Third downside note before the game. They were second worst in the league on third down percentage allow four percent third downs being converted. Rothley Cincinnati was the worst thirty. Two. Percents saw some terrible defense out. There said. Disney get better. There has otherwise team. Every race is gonna be stroz like this where you're, we're gonna be looking at couple plays, which all this site there. When in reality, if you told my wins softened should off the field online, those four thousand, if the saints pins should've up the Jubran for spindles, Winston zone or whatever that may be. So it just hope plays look at. I saw co from tank would say, recommend indicate, but we are team and I do think founds are not, but fuel finish than Marius. You're watching football. January team is falcons coach, Dan Quinn team that's well quoted to be playing. January sucking became reclaimer. It'd be tough. I think with the weather roster is even with the injuries to have to sit out at least from wildcard around because it's like you've got a bunch of guys playing in their prime time. Ultimate, you know, even are in terms of insure that guys will end when they end and you don't eat, don't like burning these eager. But this is the NFL you're not guaranteed. Nobody gets to automate cly, keep up what they're doing every single year in right now, Lantis in a bog because they are, you know, they got caught with the injury bug in just just happened. I mean, I wish there was a way with traceless back. We could last year was struggles, but this year it just had been because guys aren't out there, not dressed there on injured reserve. And I think this is just one of those years where you just, you have to take that into account with the however you crack things out because this is the injuries. But again, you're right. They can't use that all season. There has to be a point where they make some decision that at least helped salvage things to decent amount. But you know, that's what they do. They do. They don't. They don't. And you know, this will be good team. The next few. Two years. I still believe two thousand nineteen can be really fun if they can just tell. Nineteen. September still another day. It'll be Tober, but yeah, talking about Satari now. So let's not look into future for now wash what have watched the film c. lab stink. Quick should watch the phone that will see the suck will be much be trusted, personal, a hate, the whole drift crosses in general Saul night wine thing directed just take a week by them team, regardless of what the record may be a lot of entertainment bowl. You can discount the fowl. Really fun team dolphins is exploring Ceasar Keesing, full Kris God. He looks like somebody that should be coaching air, at least going to IT. We'll see where I have is going forward. It's the c. Matt Ryan backward belongs. He's top tier court, beckoning deserves that respects in with all the weapons there. It's been fun to watch. Discuss efficient, suppose that this where you gotta leave it 'cause commonplace here couple as there, it's, it sounds a some formulate to say that, but it really comes down to. We look at two point while year fun point Lhasa than will have been nor tonnage the warlords. It's just, I think one thing if anything that gets people adage, just they've lost to own team that was so good home member, Mike Smith years. They always six, two or even seven one home now or two home losses, and probably a couple more whole tough home games coming up on the who comes to mind, but there's look, there's always challenges. So yeah. And again, this team is always, I will say this. I think we'll end on this note. They always seem to lose about like three games avert that year under Quin. They always seem to do that. They always at pointed November where they just skyrocket. Maybe that's where we go. Here, but at the same time, like they've already lost that three or three games. They typically lose in the first half of the year, which makes Tober so vital to just sweep they need. They need to be perfect in October and traditionally under Quin they haven't been. So that may be right now or the season as one in loss. Because typically under Quin they make enough in September two where they can go about, you know, three one or four. No, like they've been really gone one three. It's just really tough position, but maybe that means Tober will turn out well, but things aren't over. It's not the end. If you thinking about nineteen, I don't blame you have done that a little bit, but they, but again, they can't lose anymore. And right now they have used up all the losses they they can use in the first half of the year if they want to be serious about January. So we'll see what happens. It's going to be an uphill climb, but you know, we've seen them do harder. I guess, you know, this is the falcons. Anything is possible. Any moments. Just try keep your head up a little longer, but you know. If lose next week, I don't blame me for, you know, taking it for what it is. Allen. Thanks for coming on a man, a letter by that can find you all that good stuff. On a score, start this aid double e. n. underscore a. t. or k. and you can find me on Twitter at Corey. Woodrow forty seven, be sure subscribed to us all the ways that we have scribe on podcast. Leave us a review in any of those formats, how you enjoy the shows course, we've got lots of other great audio content. You can see particularly the podcast with Gina, d-w always recommend checking that adds Wilson, the newer things. We're introducing team with our new podcast channel, but thank you guys for listening so much. I know this is a bit of a unfortunate. Detour from what we thought we were going to be the timber about a month ago, but that's the ball. We get no guarantees. We get the falcons and this is what the falcons typically do. So at least they're consistent. I would say, beg listening so much. We'll be back next week. I'll be in Pittsburgh, believe Allen might be joining. So we'll be we'll both be up there talking about what we see from Heinz field and hopefully we'll be talking about, I think we all we all go for one of those right now. Germs without also is much for listeners hotel vice in Pittsburgh. You tweet me at out underscores Cirque hotels in Pittsburgh for some reason are all sold out so they would help him with the by scratchy Chretiens. Yes, areas. I never. But I gotta go booking for hotel deals deals like pay for just everyday sold out. I want to say how hotels you sold out. We can Vince. If you can advise and Pittsburgh. Lodging, Allen, no few. You've got that expertise to hog post game podcast. All right guys. Thanks so much for listening Hal. And of course I so much for coming on and we'll be back next week. The ship keeps sailing no matter what. And I hope to think we're undefeated so you know, let's let's let's finish out strong as thanks.