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"leigh montville" Discussed on Dual Threat with Ryen Russillo
"Go. Oh boo Do you think you're going to retire now. And there's like silence and jim brown is wearing a shaky or whatever he kind of looks up at me and he says retire a man just won a world championship retire and i and then i said don't forget to call the globe off into the carter tried to make sense out of all this stuff i had. It is ridiculous. Was jim brown playful as its own. Here's here's dirty. Dozen riccar wasn't playful and at least dining replay for maybe he was played for his own head. I don't imagine it was playful matching. It was like wait. This is fucking guy over here. Asking his entire right but the other cars About three months later he retires and sells the stirring sports illustrated for ten grand. Which is exactly what he should have done. You know he didn't have to tell me that he was going to retire. I know a man ahead of his time on that one as as we finish up here it didn't just write the story of the nineteen sixty nine nba finals. You wrote the story in a way. Were kind of writing it about yourself. Not and i don't want anyone to think that like this is some memoir of leigh montville and gets it away of all the other stuff but there was clearly an exercise to this where you happy with the bright young man's were were you happy going back in in reading this i i kinda wanted to be evocative of the time you know when you get when you get to be seventy seven and you described stuff that happened in the past it and people look at you and you. It's like you're saying of george washington. He had this would false teeth and and it was all interesting and so it's kinda like telling tell them the story that that that people today kinda don't know and from a world that people today don't know i mean people who are like you know under forty say and and and my grandson whose shifting was playing What is an nba two k. Nineteen the video. And he said to me papa. He said wrote chamberlain here. He's picking teams said wilt chamberlain. Was he any good. And that was part of what was in my mind. You know we'll chamberlain. Is he any good. he's really good. You know and So i just wanted to. It's about sports reading too. You know that that has changed and in the media landscape certainly has changed yeah. That's what i enjoyed in. Lee includes old columns old game summaries in there. And it's not just about the sixty nine. All of that and itself was terrific. But you know wilt russell in an twenty five year old reportedly mafele. Thanks man. thank you start with some old history in the middle of the nineteen hundreds. But let's go back. Even further to american history early eighteen hundreds where one investor wanted to open up his own network of for trading. The pacific northwest is called the story and peter. Stark is the author. The credit starts with the d. m. Believe it or not 'cause we were big on books on this podcast and somebody's like if you like these books you get a check out. A story up star. Peter star joins us now author adventurer. And this guy's got an incredible stories a lot of really cool stuff. And so i read it. I don't know who i'm supposed to give credit to you. Because i know the guy was upset about it or something but the the deal is it was. It was great. Peter so i really appreciate the time researching this book It's a story that i kind of gets lost in american history. Because you're like wait. What happened so. I think that's a great way to start giving us the time line of events here and who jacob astor was and what the plan was for a story. Ah a north west trading posts that didn't exist yes it is. I mean it's amazing story that that that's just been so overlooked it's and it's a really significant story and i think it's been so overlooked lewis and clark are the big shiro's of that era it's right around eighteen hundred and we have to remember that at eighteen hundred. You know the the. Us was not at all what What it is today barely extended over the appalachian mountains. It was barely farther than the thirteen colonies. So no no one knew what was going to happen out to the west and john jacob astor came up with his shoot scheme to establish the first american colony on the west coast at the mouth. The columbia river at what's now called the story oregon and thomas jefferson had sent lewis and heart there in eighteen. O four six of you know to find a route across the continent and they came back and said round or is not much of a route. But you know you really wanna like look at this place at the mouth of the colombia. And then this bert baron young for barron from new york german immigrant. Who'd made a lot of money showed up at the white house in washington with thomas jefferson and said. Hey you know president jefferson. I have a plan to establish this. Global trade emporium on the west coast and it could capture most of the trade and the wealth of the western north american continent and the pacific and funnel it through our own hands and jefferson said. Wow it sounds kind of what. I'm thinking about cool. Ids and he said the us government doesn't really have the resources to start a big colony out there. But you know private enterprise could do it and so astor put together this massive expedition and both these guys. I have to emphasize were visionaries. I mean they were really looking over the horizon and Astra put together this massive expedition. One hundred forty guys in the first waves and About half going around cape horn by sea to the west coast to the north west. And about half. We're going overland following the lewis and clark route and this was such an enormous undertaking That i just that went so wrong and so bad and yet it it's succeeded in many ways. Ultimately it really did establish america's first colony on the west coast and claims to the west coast but along the way out of those one hundred forty guys at least half of them died in various violent ways so it was just incredible survival story and yet very significant historically and i i always say that you know people think lewis and clark is a big big heroes. A they had a thirty guys on their expedition..
"leigh montville" Discussed on The Kirk Minihane Show
"Dave arch you on this case. Mike i know i am not. Oh you're not. we know. I told her two seconds ago his found out about this about ten thirty last night. Nothing i didn't know who by the way. I didn't know who he was right. I barely know who you are right right. So i i i don't think look you're gonna roll now you beat your beat the mayo correct and You know something. I find the mayor to be much less objectionable and i heard him the same thing. I said the same thing i agree. I do agree with that what what's going on with you even travel in the summer with. What's new i cook real yesterday. Haven't done much visit. No i assume you know. I take a very serious fault right. I'm still have i i. I thought people know this. I ended up going. Believe it or not. And they're going to the hospital in an ambulance resolve results of this fall or the end suffered. what were the injury suffered. Well right now. I have several. They took a cat scan. Which is what they do when somebody falls in in the hospital and Came back that. I had whatever this means fluid in my brain which i never knew about when i turned and looked at a weapon. I i always watching. I never knew what it was. Yeah with my brain. They could drill. They're essentially like cake. It out. good are you a doctor. I hope you're not have cer many times. Jeffrey dahmer did it Yeah no i i. I hope it doesn't come. But i haven't here my my internist at the mass general. How switched older. They told me that they want me to have an animal life but sometimes the cat scans accurate but that was the accurate. I don't know where i am. And i my hands up pretty good But saw that when that happened in the middle of may so. I'm still having doctors appointments away. Also that is important is this is With the what's your name julie I believe it or not my medical a little more understand that. I'm i'm finishing a book. Right now Leigh montville road. It's about the sixty nine. Nba finals celtics lakers. And it's about his life is young sports writer. You would definitely like it. You should definitely read. Here's here's a wonderful ride writer. Gray writer nice guy. Yeah you should read that it just it just came out. You'll like it it is. He still Is he still held across the globe. Now now remember. He came back a couple of years ago and then hadn't seen it. Yeah you know. He very talented guy. You know something and say what you want about the globe. Generally but the sports page. Here's a great. There's no question being in new orleans. Shaughnessy and i mean you were in sports business then and You know very well done i. I'll tell you something i don't. I never thought i would get to this point. You mentioned the globe. I never thought the million years. I would start getting the hard copy of the goal anymore. No because they. I you know something especially this sunday. Globe does nothing in it. The interest rate right. Yeah liberal bush. Raymond what Yeah i am shit. I can i look i. Don't hide i. You know i'm not i'm not a or i'm I'm a liberal democrat by. Ken look at this young lady yesterday and getting back to that. I thought that the presentation of what she was doing. Maybe she had done this awhile ago. Google it because i didn't know who she can which i will. I thought her presentation as i said..
"leigh montville" Discussed on The Kirk Minihane Show
"I actually sent me a speech out of the time of it. There's an incredible line in there where they're talking about. He raped a whole bunch of women and he absolutely. I mean just it's kind of almost the throw and they said he raped the woman she went to the police. She had a rape kit on. They took the. Dna sat for twenty years. They checked it. Against florida's it matched the interview them and he said i wasn't there and they dropped it. I mean it's great justice. Something good for that man. Yes thank you for the call. Yeah no i know what you're saying. That is interesting. They did a great job with that podcast. Da's like a fine wine. It's best feel at cyp. yeah and who knows. If it's true redeina provable or anything you know it's just kind of guesswork one more. It's still up this thing almost one. Hello or a couple of things first. Please do not use steve for the next part of the case Listening to some old episodes and you didn't even want him to do it at the beginning. I guess you don't wanna burn down great jobs. Steve steve steve Otherwise steve the great job with the unbelievable. You'll never get steven are brothers and arms. We were the things the situations we were in south carolina. There's some spots were thalari and the fucking die. You're not you never. I'm not going to criticize. Steve not gonna do it. I love the guy. No good for you the great job. Yeah i agree with you there. He did a great job partner. Really new either why. He doesn't like much that he leaves. So what is he went. One hundred thousand dollars so you're going to put more money talking care. Caring carefree pretty season two. If the case you're not gonna hear him that he's like i don't even want him to work. We'll never know about it. Yeah i mean why. Wouldn't you go work when he left you. He left you in a work on it again. I will lurch. I had no look. I wound up. That's a fair fair. I can tell you why i would say. Steve is the betting favorite to produce season. Two of the case walk. He's a i would the ben. What about Go ahead what about jack. Mac or Mikey fowler. i've love jackman trout. I did you've been listening to me for a long time. Or no i have. You could put you could be in so temperate Hotels so so. Let's say on separate hotels. I saw stevens pajamas. And the fucking the lobby of the hotel holler fowler at all. I don't always. I mean i know him. He's a nice guy. You think i'm gonna go to like wherever arizona in like being in car with mikey. Fowler jack. back. For ten hours a day when i don't know them. No chance you found some interesting things. I'm sure he's a wonderful guy. But i don't know him. I i have to be with people. I know right now. Are you going to get to know some so. If it's not stephen who would you do khurana. Like what would it be someone you you know. Probably curtis. I think i'll be good. That'd be fun looking for a job by then. Probably not any resign. Those guys for life numbers. Hello hey book. Question for you What's one book the inbred either recently or over the last couple years that you're dying to she'd be made into a movie. I don't think like that my brain doesn't work like that. I never because you need. Go see the movie. And you've read the book. I never i never. My brain never works like that. I don't i don't think that's i don't know yeah. I know what you're saying but you read a book and think this would be a good movie. But what's yeah but the my dying. See her book right. Like i would rather see a you know. There's a big book bestselling book the mood. I'm glad i have. I haven't seen it like gone girl girl. I love the movie fisher. Did a great job of it. But like if i read the book. There's a huge twist in the book right in the movie. the movie. yes so you know movies ten years old. I think so when when you finally. She's still alive right Like fiber the book fucked. Why care if. I've seen the movie that there's no surprise for me. Then i think the removed with a neil patrick harris. The bad yeah. She's supposed to. They think she's missing in-depth the turns out she's actually alive mcginn revenge on every opens the. Oh yes as in her car driving the big moment. I assume it's eh presume. It's in the book right like misery like i love. I read the. I read the book misery at basketball camp. Oh seventh grade. Whatever year it was. And i loved it. I read it in like two nights. Then the movie came out. And i love the movie Rob reiner william goldman grade. Adaptation obviously Kathy bates great. James caan but like read the book already right. It's still a great movie. But i've i don't know it doesn't surprise you as much. Why do you have to call her. No well i mean what. I read the book unbroken. It was such a moving crazy movie. Socket vict- the movie was terrible. Jerry jerry would be jerry hard to jerry. Wanted the love the movie cause we love the book as the movie sucked fuck patriots day. I know you wanted to louis. Upbringing story is still great but like you can do a bad movie directed movie mike. The unbroken movie no angelina jolie yeah weird. I saw in theaters. I didn't hate it. It was removing now. All right. so if you read the book the book is one of the great nonfiction books ever written. I've ever read if you ask me. Twenty five twenty five best books. I've read unbroken. You're right call. When i read it. I was like how fucked about this story. Yes so my thought would be. What a book on that level that. It's really hard to make a movie. Who would you have directed. Who's the cast one. I mean there's a. There's gillian. I'm just i want your like recently. You're saying no. I i to any book any like in the unbroken genre where it's a true story. Somewhat hates to release and just storing itself is like unbelievable. A it's funny is a great book. I read a couple of saw a couple of summers ago. Gary pomerantz rather it's actually. Both the cousy russell relationship was actually great book in that could be. That could be decently made but like you know it's it's hard. I'm reading a great book. Just about the fisher. Great book the leigh montville wrote. I can't believe how much i love. It's about the sixty nine. Mba files who the celtics and the lakers. Yeah that's the one you tweeted and it's not really it's about. It's about him as a sports writer at that time. It's fucking great. It's he's a greatly a great writer. But i'm like you know i am so into the book. It's unbelievable great book. Unbelievable moscow fries. Because i saw the description is like it's about sixty nine fine ride those russell's last year chamber but it's is sports writer and just seeing what sports writers would go through back then just to get stories done. It's fucking crazy. Like he would write his story month. Old ride the story In his hotel ramones typewriter in the at the hotel in la after a game in the finals he would then you know rip it up. Rip it out. You would then drive to a western union in inglewood and they would send it to the globe my right or russell. The obey hired russell. Thanks for the call. The higher russell to be like a bull shit like correspondent during the final was the player coach in sixty nine so he would write a story after every game for the globe. During playoffs he would then have to call the globe and read his story to the copywriter bill. Russell in nineteen sixty nine was about one of his eleven th title in thirteen years he was paid two hundred dollars a story for it. Jesus christ there's other examples where you're reading your like this in just fucking insane..
"leigh montville" Discussed on Pop Culture Cosmos
"It's been a great episode. We talked a lot of great things. You had your quick cuts all over the place. He had a lot of stuff to talk about. Including black widow once again scoring two hundred fifty million dollars in. Its first few days. Great success lot to talk about their but any last thoughts on the way out. No i think we covered everything i wanted to talk about. I got all my quick cuts in mr quick cut himself so truly appreciate you stopping by catching us here on the pop culture cosmas tune in on friday. Show where we re talking loki episode six. Be talking some space jam coming up for the bron james and so much more so stay tuned with us on friday. Show the pc multi-diverse whole bunch of other stuff coming up this week including some great interviews for the lakers fast-break tj. Johnson were winning. Author leigh montville on his book. Tall men short shorts. Go ahead check out that on laker's fastbreak here on d pop culture cosmos. You're going to see great interviews from tj johnson. Hopefully i can get him on. Black widow also talk about knowing and find fresh from disneyland his thoughts on black widows well and so much more coming up here at the pop culture cosmos. so for josh peterson. This is joe glass room. This is another beautiful day paradise right here in the pop culture cosmos. Thank you for this. You have yourself agree loan Duck.
"leigh montville" Discussed on Huddle Up with Gus
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"leigh montville" Discussed on Huddle Up with Gus
"Just a total. See the pants car. I think i would break one bone like crash one time. Break a bone to be like. Yeah i don't really want to do this. How many bones did he break. All right he broke. You know he always. He always said he broke every bone in his body. And at that caesar's palace crash. Everybody's saying that looks and goes over and over. Just that was the foundation for all his success that he could go on go on mike douglas. Or johnny carson. Show that rail. And just say i broke every bone in my body and You should come out to the route said saturday night and watch me destroy myself. Yeah mean he. Wide world of sports at different time back than everybody wide world of sports and and he became a big player on wide world of sports he brought in he brought in great numbers to them. I mean my wide world of sports memory is the winter olympics. The guy going down to ski ramp and like falling off the side and crashingly played because they knew that was going to get people to watch. Yeah he even swallowed off the side of the time all the time. So tell us about your new book. New book is called tall men short shorts and it's about the nineteen. Sixty-nine nba finals. The lakers in the celtics It was the last time that russell played against Jerry west and elgin baylor played for the lakers. John havlicek played to the celtics And i was twenty five years old. I was just starting now and Through through number circumstances. I wound up covering the whole seven gangs. I covered the celtics the whole playoffs. I i had never been to california. I've never seen a palm tree. I'd never seen the pacific ocean. I'd never seen anything. And i was dealing with bill russell who who was ten years older than me and lemus and he was. The coach was the coach And the and the star player in the boston globe my paper at hired him. Also do a column after every game really. Yeah and he had nobody else. I mean you see the nba now and and you look at those guys they all wear. They're all wearing those little zipper separate good things. Now you know. At the games all the assistance they look like the mormon tabernacle tour warming tabernacle nako choir. There's so where's he. He was the coach and the star and there was nobody else to train her kind of kind of made all the reservations and stop and wrap the ankles and that was it. I mean that was all operation. And and i'm kind of joint joining the fun here and and in that in that series. I mean television in boston. Only two of the seven games are on television. That's amazing yeah. I mean they had the concept and a blacking out home games and so in los angeles only only three of the games are on television And i hate when they do that. Yeah and it. I mean they said it ruins the gate and it was a it was a faulty idea but the idea that that there was no there is no television and the games. Were starting at eleven o'clock in los angeles eastern time. And you know you only could hit here the game on radio guy johnny. Most he had a scratchy voice. Need sir area is for on. And and you and i gave another account. I mean you weren't getting a lot of information. We were the ones who are telling the whole story. You guys were the twenty so that never seen a palm tree before and and you know what i mean. When bill russell had been playing. I was in junior high school for the celtics so it was an experience. It's it's about all the games and went seven games and the celtics won in the game. They win the big underdog and they won the seventh game. There were strange mississippi. And we'll talk himself out with a with a knee injury and then wanted to come back in and coach dove umbrella put him back in and And the celtics one in seven games and they had a big a big celebration plan for the forum. They had all these balloons up on the salem and ready they had. The usc band was there. Oh god quite happy days are here again. They would come marching on the court and they had a big victory cake. They had you know by five cases of champagne in the locker room and the celtics put a damper on the whole thing and read was just screaming. He was the general manager and he was screaming. What about the balloons. What are they going to do. Our champagne might still be there. Yeah yeah that's funny. That's that's incredible so why so long to write the story. Well you know. I was twenty five men. Now i'm seventy seven years old. I'm a hundred you know and you get to that age and you start telling stories and you realize everybody else in. Your story is not with us anymore. You know i mean you. You know he started talking about. I was there with george washington when he got the wooden teeth. And nobody else. Who's there with your. She got the one. So it's a it's a whole it's a tale of a whole other era. You know really That whole thing about no television and bena sportswriter was different. I mean you're only there were only like three guys covering the celtics out on the west coast and just go talk with guys. Go in their rooms and talk with them ended. Hang out a well under one. Hundred people but microphones in and around a big as verdy sements to be out and anymore. Nobody nobody really tells a story about about growing up and paper and their fifth grade teacher. So you know what you do on what you think but you were also what the people had to what you know if the celtics out of town you were what they read and you were. The one explained the whole game. I get that like that. That was what it was when we were when we were kid. We you know we read the paper. That's it yeah. A sportswriter in pittsburgh when you were a kid. Oh gosh i couldn't tell you i just remember. We had the leader times that was it. Okay read the leeza time all the time. Now i was a little town outside of pittsburgh my downs. Only about five thousand people. Just right outside of pittsburgh pittsburgh. Yeah i you know. I appreciate it. So how can people get your book. I don't know they know right now to amazon. I mean. I have the books on amazon now here now. And you can. You can automate. Manson assyria is going to be on. Hopefully it's going to be reversed bookstore on july. They're awesome.
"leigh montville" Discussed on Huddle Up with Gus
"Take my time with all this. You know i. I i think in the back of my head. I always wanted to be ernest. Hemingway or or some great novelist. You now right right way from writing because the guy a guy. Tom kelly who in since he said get right. Charlie hustle bros story in a so right authorizes. You know i mean maple. Don't open up. And also i ernest. Hemingway charlie hustle. The pete rose. And i stayed away from ready but then for sports illustrated manute bol and he was just fascinating guy. Come across you know. We come here from the sudan. 7-foot-7 couldn't couldn't read a writing lushan when he got over and blah blah blah had learn how to hold a pencil wise and in it was just a fascinating story. I kind of put out a couple of the alerts and And i wrote a book about manute. Bol which sold about seven you now i think mostly to people from sudan dame bowl but right mobile has one right yeah. That's his son. Yeah i bet that would have been very interesting did you. Did you fly over to back to where he was from or did you just do an interview actually did i. I convinced sports illustrated to send me to the african basketball championships. Where they were going to settle on. One team was gonna play in the olympics now in cairo egypt and i went there so i was on sports illustrated sports illustrated's dime to gordon right. And then i took my own money. And i flew down to the sudan. Khartoum which which assist the fascinating pledged. They had no no street signs. No phone books. No not that you know they had a. You had to be be inside your house by eleven o'clock or ten o'clock at night shots today place Did you get to meet his family. Not really I met his cousin. Is anna cousin. It was working in the us embassy in cairo. But no. I met like his is his coach. Don't the guy. I was in the jungle. He lived in the jungle in a tribe in the jungle and it was seven twenty seven and some some minister for the government went to the part of the jungle where he lived and they took a picture and the minister standing with with with this guy who was seven twenty seven in the middle of the jungle and they publish the pay the article in mccartin paper right into guys that were on the national basketball team in khartoum said whoa seven hundred seven we should find out about this guy and sure enough that they tracked him down and they brought him to cartoon and and he learned i mean he. He was like seventeen years old when he first touched a basketball. Gosh you know. It was very late in the game. And he had a real aptitude for blocking shots. Oh yeah he couldn't he couldn't really couldn't palm the ball very well because he had kind of arthritic fingers. Ao dunk the ball holding hands so he was never never a threat like that but he became a three point threat. Dan nelson had him shooting up. Three crazy are on me. I remember him very well. I remember well. And i couldn't imagine like he was skinny in the nba. Couldn't imagine it seventeen. I was gonna. You would have been had to add fifty pounds to yeah and and and he everywhere we went. Everybody loved him. He played at the university of for air and everybody loved them. Chris mullin's brother played with a bridgeport. And then it. When i when i met him playing with the sixers with charles barkley and ricky mahorn and they they would they would attack and throw them on the ground with seven it would take all his tape and they'd make 'em like a mummy third he'd be swearing adam arabic kids. He was quite a you know. I could imagine you know and i think that's what's great about what you're doing. Is that when you take time and you write a book about somebody you get to know all these incredible details about people and it lets you. Ah people like you bring them really to life for those right because we know manute bol. Is this guy like you said blocked shots in the nba. But your books tell us a great story about them and and and it brings them to life for all of us. So i thank you for doing all that i mean. I mean you've written a an amazing amount of books on on some athletes. So what was your most intriguing. One that you've done to you. I don't know that priority. I mean ted. Williams did a book on ted williams and he was kind of an idol and he was really liked to talk to reporters and people did he. He not a plane. He was fine And he was a guy and he boomed things out everybody should he resembled john wayne was like john win. Affect for better than any man drift of swear colorful. He's been great. Yeah well i. I learned my first. Where word for my dad. When i was six so understand that what that means but together and unique you know. He wasn't just and when he said when he said god he meant dammit. He was calling on god. Damn whatever one paprika. He was spreading. And the mr eight he had big loves. Beg hates just a big guy. Yeah that's awesome. That's awesome so we knew wrote about evil knievel. Did he let you get on his bikes and do a jump now. If it was. He was gone. When i when i wrote about you he was gone already. Yeah yeah so. Did you get to talk to his son. I talked to. I talked all these guys in hung around with and he was kind of. It was not the world's greatest person you know. I mean really. Yeah now i mean. He made it. He bought a lot of money that he never paid back in he. He wound up with other guys wives and yours. My gosh it was a kind of conman kind of guy. He wasn't a real good guy but he had that one thing i mean he had he had testicles to size appellation mountains. That'd be great. He didn't i mean is it do it now. They figured out all geometry highest supposed to do when you should take off. When when you shouldn't take up he just did it by by by the seat of his pants. You know he he would say i'm gonna jump these twenty three cars and kinda get get the motorcycle up to eighty five ninety miles an hour right about here and he would do it and sometimes would be short anyway crash so the next time he would say. Well i gotta get it up to ninety five miles an hour long any would crash you know. I mean he he he. He's.
"leigh montville" Discussed on Huddle Up with Gus
"Today. In the way they transcribe audio. They've have just been Heads above the rest of thank you to sound her. Fm in when thank our new partner. vegas sports advantage Go to vegas. Sports advantage and really You know You can go there And hopefully like just like our last guest side. Maybe our next guest guest will give us some insight on. Maybe who you should in betting and and make you some more money so today. Our guest is a three time new york times. Bestselling author leigh montville and he's a former columnist for the boston globe and former senior writer at sports illustrated. He's written way too many books for me to go through and talk about because i'll screw them all up but you know His new one tall man in short shorts lee. Thank you for joining me on. Huddle up with gus. How're you doing. I'm doing great. I'm doing great. You can go through all the books if you want. Go right ahead. Go getting evil. The mysterious montauk The big bam ted williams at the altar speed manute and why not us and then you knew one. How about that all right. It's a fine crew people isn't it you know it's like twice. I could take play play in my room. You know it is. It is well. I was kinda laugh because we were before you got on. We were talking about your new book and you're talking about tall men short shorts and i said wait i got. I got a picture so check this out. This is me. My parents made this back in highschool from my basketball look short shorts. I said i had a little mustache. And i had braces and one of my ankles was destroyed from basketball. So there you go at all. Yeah i don't know why my parents wanted that of me. And then my mom gives it gives it to me in a big box of stuff and now my kids just laugh at it so so lee. Tell me about where you grew up in. Kind of your first realization. You hit a passion for sports why i was like an only child and i hung around with all the guys and you have to figure out. I think when you're an only child how you're going to get inside with everybody. You know right and in sports seem like the best ticket. I i was. The kid will always knew about the trades that were coming where the teams were playing. And what happened last night and you know i was like a little blabbermouth kid and when i was in fifth conditions in new haven connecticut. And when i was in fifth grade. I handed in a book report and the teacher. Maria said come see me when after she handed out all the buck reports. She didn't hear that mind. And i up to see her and she handed me my book report and she said you know you're a very good writer you you should be a writer that would be an so. I don't know i was. That's the only teacher. I ever had anywhere anytime. Any kind of confidence took it like. That's a ticket to my life. Exhausted writer and i used to deliver the paper and in the morning and and i would get done delivering papers and there was a kid who sold -papers at the corner and we would get together and we we would eat. Eat breakfast like hostess cupcakes and grape soda for breakfast and we read the paper and it was a guy in my town frank birmingham. It was the sports editor in this little picture in the side of the paper and he was always going to the world series and the kentucky derby and all this stuff yale football which was thing and i said that guy's got the greatest thing in the race job in the world and i said that's that's what i'm gonna be and so when i was ten years old i was thinking of doing this and I'm the only guy you know who was ten years old and wound up doing what he wanted to do you. That's amazing that. I love that story because when you're young and and you have these dreams and you want to figure out what you wanna do that they barely you know. Stay in the same job you know even the same field you know when you're young you some a lot of kids were like i wanna be a fireman and all these things you knew you wanted to be a writer that early so you must have loved reading the paper if you could remember all those things because i knew a couple of kids like that. It's a lot of work. Yeah but i was like I was an indifferent student. But when i got to college i got involved in the in the paper at the university of connecticut and wound up as the editor at the end and where i went. We went so you went to connecticut. You're the editor of the paper. Now what was your like. What was your main goal was more sports or was it just all over college. Now i i was in. I was the sports editor is a junior in college and the became the editor. I thought that would be a good career move. I found out. I hated all at real world stuff. I know i i was going games was covering the yukon. Huskies they want the to the nc aa tournament. And all that stuff and now i was kinda current meetings of student government stuff like that. Immunity chose carnival. Insanity shouldn't do sports. And i've stuck with it. I've had chances to become different things. And and i said well. It's better than sports. People pay attention to sports. And and you know there's there's that old thing microcosm of life is everything in sports. I mean you. I'm sure you've come across you know medical situations legal situations life and death situation. It's all in sports. It's like like a town that we all know about. Yeah there's a lot of. I mean obviously sports. There's a lot of intriguing it There's always a new story line every game that's played. There's nothing written for it right. It all happens right there and you get to watch it unfold in front of your eyes and i'm sure being an editor of a paper. It's not like hey we're going to cover the science fair that just came in. It's gonna take twelve hours right like happening and you get to cover all kinds of stuff. So what the dow lead you onto after college like. Would you like where did you. What was your next step. Well the first thing i said where would i like to do this. Where would i like to be a sports writer. And i said i'd like to go to sports illustrated. That's the big place. But i didn't know anything about how he got to sports illustrated. So i i looked it up where the office was in his was in new york city. And i i called up. Sports illustrated's apply to be a writer and this woman from human resources said well you can make an appointment. You can kinda come down. So i got my little anderson little soon. In my little attache case whereby clippings and i took the train from new haven and and i showed up and The officers were right across from radio. City and i walked in and and basically you can wait in the waiting room and there were two guys waiting there and they kind of had sweatshirts and blue jeans on and they were talking spanish teacher and so we're all lighting three of us and and they said you waiting for miss. Oh and so. And i said well. Yeah and they said we are too. We replying to be custodians. And i said to myself. This is probably not how you get charged. Squirt straighted low behold. There wasn't you know women just twice they'd be offered said said basically. Are you gonna go someplace really scaring kind of back tomorrow. Then i went to boston. And i was better there and then sports illustrated one hundred more. How did you get to the point where you wanted to take your sports like. You know when when you're a columnist and your rain for the papers wind did you make that switch to say k. I want to write books and write. Full storage wanna.
"leigh montville" Discussed on Huddle Up with Gus
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"leigh montville" Discussed on Huddle Up with Gus
"Those reporters so i'm able to focus on news leave with news like i try to wake up with in the morning. I what can i reports. Say that people don't know and it doesn't have to be a big adam. Schefter style huge scoop. It can just be a little thing right. Fed learn something and lead with that is a good way to look at it and then when you get the chance to longer things with its features or books know having the time. I don't wait game stories anymore. Events unfortunately with newspapers dying out. That's a bit of a dying art overall. But right not doing that. Frees you up to look at news features. Go a little deeper. Maybe i don't have to write about the main thing that's going on that day. I can write about something else. That's also interesting going. Just looking every ten publishes story going to urine talk gusts. Just wanna be interesting. You wanna now repeat the same thing. It people that everyone else covering the team does. And that's the beauty of reporting. If you're doing a well on you find out something fresh then you have something interesting to say. Yeah and i think you guys are such a big part of of you mentioned it. Like baseball is not the most fan favorite sport in the us right now. You guys have a major part of making it that way right that you can make it sound in seeing name with new technologies and you know way to get in fan engagement i. I don't think that it's only players. But it's the people telling the stories to make those players seem great To make the game interesting to to figure out how to get more people involved. Well please click that off and send it to the major league. Baseball players coming worried about accident. We're gonna put that up for you. Please do yeah no. it's just it just. It is a way. Like i. I went of all been a big baseball fan. Played it in high school and everything but You know an armchair baseball baseball guy. But it does need to figure out. And i've been racking my brain. I'm sure you to is. How do we get people engaged. Did it better you know it. It's tough it's a very rewarding. Sport bit requires a lot of attention and and attention to detail. I mean not always have a great time having a beer and half paying attention but it's definitely not a tiktok kind of game. No no. But but i think the pace of it and the fact that like you look at you go. Nothing's happening really a game. You know there are signs being given stolen. There are a positionings kinds of strategy. Going on the managers brings always going one hundred miles in a minute. There's a lot to notice if you learn. I do think it's tough to Initially introduced to someone who might not have the attention span for it. Unfortunately i'm halfway through my nachos. Nothing even happened yet. You know if you're saying but there hasn't been stuff that's happened right. The when coach gave the sign. The guy missed the side. He got caught. You know there's all kind of stuff going on base. I mean i get it. I get it but it just isn't that you know i've all i'm always trying to figure out what can make that tiktok of thing now when you do though it's hard like maybe more more home runs. I told my son he was driving down to go to a camp today. And i and we we both watch baseball and we love it and he said dad maybe the games will be like twelve twelve to ten hours. The pitchers can't greece the balls up. I said i don't know. I mean these guys still throw one hundred miles an hour. Do let's start is that i think we'll get a little more action and that will help and baseball's trying to figure out whether it's banning the infield shifts some thought about her even legislating. How many times you can throw her to. I is a pitcher for pickup inspire more stolen bases. They know anymore action but the end of the day and think that you love or or maybe. Do you think there's ever going to be another ricky henderson. Still many basis as tough to see. That's a great question teams. No now that it's rare that somebody major league teams say like if you can't seventy five percent of the time stealing it's not worth. It hurts our offense by the percentages. So basically that discourages stolen bases but baseball like mlb is trying to find ways to make teams incentivize them to do that because everyone knows how exciting. It isn't even ballpark guy. Takes off so that's something. They're trying to encourage in terms of a ricky henderson. No i don't we go back to baseball. So many stolen bases yes. So i know we've got a short time to tell us what you're doing now and what we can look for on the internet from you. Sure well you can look at. You can find myself every day. An sm y dot tv. That's recover mlb. Yankees and mets have a book out called cheated which goes into detail goes on his stuff that we kinda just discussing the abstract. Which is the thing is going on under the surface signs being given the signs being stolen. Not just with the astros did but with all teams doing to a varying degree many teams for for it for a long time to the astros weren't the only one they were. Not the only ones i do believe that they took it to an extent pushed it pass but was kind of the standard at that time but yeah the whole point is sign stealing in. Gdn gamesmanship have been going on in the sport for well over a century. What is it. I wanted to take the reader inside the game to talk to really do all the things. Then make this connection on purpose. Conversation gusts vsbn. Good questions and all these things that i love about the game. The access the players. What are they say. what are they doing. What's really going on is what i was trying to portray In that book. So it's about the astros but it's kind of my love for the game and all the things that happened there too so you can find that anywhere you buy a book and you can find me honest. And why a network if you're new yorker as dot tv if you're online we're we follow you on Media is at martino nyc twitter. Oh awesome you know kind of funny we were talking about the astros and you know they were using like the garbage can thing and i'm like there's all this new technology out there that you could were. It's it's just incredible. Were creating now in regards to technology in the astros are using garbage can to to bang on and to say like this is a fastball. This whatever but obviously they were using cameras mother stuff. But i just laugh at that this truly like the thing it sticks in your mind and that's the way it was so like i said is high speed cameras and get them live feed allows them to look at the sign and bang the trash can. But there's a lot of people that were involved at cnn. Like what's why are we so stupid. Do some basic bangor and trash can for all the intelligence that was like the most funk absolutely right it is who is the guy in a locked room that came up with the idea. That's what i wanna know like like you know I'm trying to think of one of the players. Just like standard locker. Got this great idea. They all just look at them in their chairs. It'd be like what are you nuts. You know what it was. It was organic bringing and assigns. They try to use one shot massage. Guns called the fair. You can drill into the back of the bench to hear the sound too loud for that. They tried clapping the tread whistling. I think it was as simple as it is a trash. Can there in the corner like how. 'bout that all like just evolved like that and you're thinking like like some in high school i get that right but like major league baseball really carrying. Yeah it's awesome. Well hey andy. I really appreciate you join. I know we we. We only have a half hour with you and sorry were a little late there but I appreciate your time. Everyone checkout andy. it's at marchiano. Nyc yep and check them out on espn network and check out. His new book cheated And it was great. I had a lot of fun. I love talking baseball because my whole life in football. But you know. I appreciate you coming on. Enjoy your time. Back in yankee stadium and You.
"leigh montville" Discussed on Huddle Up with Gus
"Was he holding a baseball bat. When i don't think he was a clubhouse can get like. I don't know if you guys give like a little at single to each other but when it gets tense you can feel everyone kinda looking at you and it was just like malpensa started. Ask this in thinking like if this is a surprise to you this might change the course of your life but he revealed a steroid test. He lies no. I don't blame them for lying to me. Who am i in that moment it's It's things like that where you feel like gee this might be a good person who made a bad decision in here. I anna that's it. S is something major that those are tough. Yeah i can. I can see that that would be different than saying. Oh you know you made an error. You didn't throw it right. The first base like what you know. I mean that's a lot different. I understand that so all of baseball history and all the incredible players that have played baseball. Who is someone you you've always. If you could go back and ask one question and interview somebody. Who would that be oboe. That is such a good question of people that have covered or anyone in history. All know anyone in history back before you for you. And i both been alive. Some incredible players like that would just be like 'cause. I collect old baseball cards with my sons. I have a lot of vintage cards and some of them will read the back and it just be like man. How awesome would it be to sit at dinner with that guy and find out what he's really like 'cause they kinda used to explain it on. The back of the cards told him incredible stories. And something that you would think that you would love to interview. It's funny my gut answer to that. Winds probably would be a complete waste because of the way he was at the press. But i like a challenge in ted williams always known as number one one of the most cerebral hitters of all time wrote a book eventually about hitting the chairman in one of the most cantankerous difficult guys that you could ever try to deal with. I always liked that challenge of trying to crack the guy that everyone else is scared of player in new york for a while covering the mets daniel mercy who put off. Don't talk to me vibe wanna to try it. No one else is talking to the guy he. I the only one that would get access to what he has to say. If i could somehow cracked that new came very friendly and now he's retiring text and stuff. It took me a lot of work so i would have liked to try to be one. Red sox beat writers in the forties and fifties in cracked it ted williams mood and try to get him to teach me all hidden as there is. No you have to talk to the media back in that day right. They're not gonna get the f out of my face kid. I could just say mall so it would have to try to put it in a time as you could get him out of that right right. Yeah you know. And it's amazing. Because i was talking with adam schefter A little while ago. He came on the podcast. When we're talking about when. I played for the broncos. The broncos were always known for their lineman never talking to the press right now like that was a rule. Like if you caught talking to the media You know if you got contacted me you owed money. They find each other and they did all these things. adam goes. yeah they said that out loud but you know after like a meeting. I'd be going breakfast with them or something they'd be. Gimme all his inside scoop. It's all didn't say that. I was talking to live and they gave me Scoop i'm like it's a great thing about anonymous sourcing. All kinds of people could talk to you when they pretend adam is the king of anonymous sourcing well trusting relationships honestly if you overdo it with anonymous sources in my bland work right you have to be careful but if you abuse them and use them to take take shots or whatever but if you give people to trust you and say look. Don't put my name on this. Don't blow me up but this was actually going on in here that that's that's the relationships have been a good sports right. Yeah so you know when. You look the yankees. I mean. if you're yankee it almost you become a star right like instant like you put pinstripes on you become a starter some pretty famous yankees you know. And so when. I think about like you know people like a-rod the in and they're playing these games and you get to interview him and he is like almost larger than life just because of the money he's made in the greatness he he did on the field. What is that like few when you go and interview in a-rod and we are when you get close to them. It's kinda cool. Does your the people go. You know what i mean. It's a great story. To tell yet is i am. I really had a lot of fun. alex wasn't having so much fun at this time for covering wings with twenty thirteen august twenty thirteen the big story in baseball hard to imagine how big now because he's kind of settlement as a broadcaster but you has given us record suspension for p. D.'s he was cillian union. He was doing the yankees. Who is suing war in the middle of all that he comes back because he's appealing suspension in chicago against the white sox and it's not just sports media Point it's cable news. It's every day it's like the story and to be who can actually be covering sport. Be there you wanna talk to a ball player in be in the middle of may a major national story like that. We don't always get that with sports. So it's cool. Yeah those guys. Like iran is jeeter in a different way but guys who They know that they're big cultural figures in big celebrities in. It's not as easy to get them one on one as it is with the backup catcher obviously or so it's kind of operating in a different level. It's almost like you're covering a movie star. Something what you see in the locker room as can be a performance and it's it's which is fine you understand. Why people who were that famous have to keep their guard up to protect themselves in some ways but yet is or when you're there is a presence of that name. Baseball particularly takes a lot for baseball the breakthrough. obviously he's not the most popular sport in america. So when you've got a huge star like a big story like that from my end you try to have fun with it. Yeah i mean you have to because it is. It's like you know you might be able to. But if i went asked normal person named one person for the yankees named one person from the pirates may not. They're not gonna name anybody from the ranks in they'll probably named mccutchen sits pirates not been so it is crazy you know and and You know it's just. It's just amazing to me that that you know. There's so many games in your work is is every day. Who's oh how do you focus to where you can go every day right a new story or you discount of are you just focus on data analytics of the game or you tried to write a story about you know what i mean like more of a storyline. Yes sure it will. When you're a team beat writer traveling with a team that takes all your energy and times bribes acid yet. Try to break a few stories. I did that for years now. I'm in a position where i am not on the road as much as one of those.
"leigh montville" Discussed on The Gerry Callahan Podcast
"He was an icon without. Really any controversies in his life. And i wouldn't Place tommy heinsohn. Quite in that category because heli was crazy. volatile coach. He was a crazy Announcer but you will not hear a bad word about tommy heinsohn. He was and in my mind. He was the best thing you could be. He was genuine. You know he was authentic. There was no act. There was no faking mostly in his thing. People know almost four was eighty six when he passed away yesterday. That's a hell of a run for a guy his size with his. shall i say blood pressure. And the fact that he smoke cigarettes most of his life. I used to look at him thirty years ago and be walking into the garden and he was friendly and he was gregarious but he was. You know cigarette colin drink golan whatever and in high strung and i'd say he not gonna be around that long and he was and that's a good thing because he was working essentially up to the end almost as the Color guys the analyst which he did for thirty something years for for the celtics but he was involved in the celtics for like fifty years which is amazing It but i mean like call player coach great coach and announcer national announcer and then local outsor- and usually tom. I think of those homework is the two games. Is there being homered you so they could survive there being a homer baseball play by play guys like like castiglione on the radio. He's a homer because he's a sycophant. He wants the owners to like them. Protect them for good reason they do the whole never get fired because the owners like them because he sucks up. That's what tommy was doing. He just loved the celtics. He was rooting for his team. And when he get mad at the refs it was one hundred percent genuine. It wasn't out of self interest. He just liked the celtics. that's how he was. It was real. It was funny. It was a lot like johnny most in that regard. He was an entertainer as well as an announcer and people appreciate it and he just no one ever said a bad word about him His personality was loud. And and you know full of laughs you can hear him laugh from you. Know three doors three doors down you could go or if he was in the garden and you were fifty feet away can laugh at smokey voice and and just a great personality and it was a hell of a run. It's also it's different to be a homer as a color analyst. I wanna throw jack edwards through a glass window. Just he's the word it's different to be a play by play guy that color guy. Scott zolak could prove that right but that's the point he's been toning it down right now. They're trying to bring scalp. Greenie i think is is doing a lot more. And he's just not the same obviously as as hide so he he seemed to not going to say saw the writing on the wall but he toned down the last couple of years right. I guess yeah and you know sometimes was over the cup but it was funny and it was really wasn't acting wasn't playing a role you're right play by play guys. They're not supposed to do that. Color guys can get away with it especially when they played and coached the team for decades. You can't expect them to be neutral. I guess he did a good job of it. I don't remember exactly what i thought of him when he was doing the national games but he wasn't obviously yelling at the refs from the cult from the seat way was when he was doing loud in boisterous. There's no doubt. I just saw him with breast bread. Musburger who used to work with some of those things and and he was he was definitely loud. But it's it's great when when this it's kind of rare they have somebody who can promote legitimately and provide good analysis india right. He was like the the loudest guy at every like knights of columbus hall. In you know he talked like people. So i thought he was awesome. Even i don't care less about basketball but i always thought he was awesome. I'll always love how he was a homer in in he had no time for the refs. And i you know. I don't think they meant those kinda people out of broadcasting school anymore. They're very it's actually a good point good point but colonnade is the color guys. Elec and tommy they. They don't bother me especially if they played coach the team they're being. It's the play by play guys. Jack edwards jokes thing. Who are doing it and it's annoying and they're doing it to please the owner to assure some job security. That's annoying but here's leigh montville. Former globe former sports illustrated guy with me when i was there and he doesn't tweet a lot. I don't think but i just saw a tweet and it was perfect. He said any day. You're anywhere in tommy heights. As orbit in person or at home with a bearnes clicker in hand was a good day. They were stories laughs. Bluster and gusto a sense of good fund that he brought with him twenty four seven three sixty five for as long as most of us have been alive. Our ip sir. And it's true he's been around. I mean i was a kid and he was coach. I never saw him play and he was a great coach and you liked them. Because yelled at the refs fiery yelled at was just emotional and i always thought you know when he was done coaching head coach again but he just settled into a great life as a as announcer and had a and it was a painter which is bizarre that big joe cigarette smoking loud guy went home up to the north shore painted sketches landscapes and oceans. Apparently was pretty damn good at it. Although i would know but at a great reputation for that and did a lot for charity just everybody just liked being around him. And i think that's the nicest thing you could say about someone everyone. Let's liked being in his orbit as something to be said for somebody of his generation who has a kid you know. His parents were in the depression. And as a as a young athlete. -ssume that heinsohn had to get a job on the off season when he was very young. Sold insurance upton. Bell told the story of buying life insurance policy off him when he was doing that. like you said when he had another job in the off season. He was drafted with Bill russell they were rookies together. And and rustled. still live. it's amazing russell's alive cousy saliva. we lost havilcek. Who was great but then we lost now heights and some of these guys are still around and still kicking and I dunno..
"leigh montville" Discussed on The Bill Simmons Podcast
"Right. I always liked it him. There's this generation of New York sports fans who were old enough to remember when the Knicks were bad. And then when they became good with the Willis teams and revered those teams, and it was like basketball the way it should be played. They finally took the torch from the Celtics, and they just kept waiting for that to come back. And now we're talking forty five years, but it was almost his generation, which you know, obviously, people are starting to die off from there. But that age from like, I'm going to say sixty five to ninety is one of the most tortured fan bases. We have right, and he stayed with them, and he stayed with them. And then he got rewarded with the Patrick teams that went to the finals twice in the ninety. And and, you know, Bill, you know, that in those years, even though they never won and even know Tories Yankees came along in the second part of the decade. Nobody in town felt the Yankee season started. Well, the Knicks season ended they would that, you know, they had recaptured that that, you know, everybody talks about Trump's base now somehow against all odds, there's still a Nick base. I I don't I don't quite understand it anymore, but it held and so, you know, Billy Goldman had to think of that. But okay wh-. Okay. We're going to be good. And then Patrick Patrick went away. And he took the next with him. So the book he wrote what was it was ADA? Right. It was about the eighty cents off season ear. We wrote about it came out in eighty two the year. We wrote about with nineteen eighty-seven, Ryan, New York sports, and the Knicks were horrible. If that point match, we're still good. They were a big part of our story. 'cause that would that Dwight Gooden got suspended for on opening day. And and so and the the idea was pretty, you know, well, you know, you've been way to kind of this book for for forever. He was an all time. Classic. Well, I think it's more could they came to me. But but. It was it was a simple setup one year in New York sports seen through the eyes of a crazed fan and the eyes of account and that was that and then a whole bunch of shit happened. And so it became a way more interesting year, and now with your help all this time later, it's become kind of a cult book. Well, a lot of people, you know, without whatever my style and up becoming there were a couple writers in the eighties. Who I felt like not only did they read about sports, but they were kind of like, I could have been their friend. You know, and it was like Ray FitzGerald was like that. I think Leigh montville was like that you were like that in the eighties, and then Goldman comes in in this book. And it was like my dad was writing for the book like who is this kind of the craziest fan of ever met. And he just he threw away all the conventions of supposed to at least be balanced or biased a little bit here and went all in on the fan side. And he wrote this piece it's it's in the first like sixty pages of the book. But. Doc good and got suspended for coke. And you wrote the reporter version of it. And then he wrote the fan version, and he laid out this whole thing about, you know, the greatest athletes he'd ever seen in how that pyramid is. And how the the levels rise until you get to this last level and how good and it kinda reached that level for just a little bit. But now is gone. And now he ruined it. And he couldn't trust them again. And it leads to this whole story about Bronco gerski. And how he went to this game when Bronco nurse key was washed up and was like the seven string running back on the on the bears, but someone came in and won this game. And it's it's basically like the future of internet sports writing this one piece because he's writing from him from the fan's perspective..
"leigh montville" Discussed on The Bill Simmons Podcast
"A special holiday we podcast. No friend, Bill Goldman died last week and. I thought we call some people talk about we've been call make Luca who was probably his best friend who's the legendary New York sports writer. They wrote a book together, and he had a lot of meals on a lot of them. We're gonna talk to Brian Koppelman who was considered Goldman a mentor and was guy who introduced them to me or talk to whizzing Morris. Who's in my opinion, the best movie critic right now and a lunch that we had with Goldman once upon a time way back when? So my history with Goldman with see his book came out in eighty three the the movie book, and then wait till next year came out in the way to eighty somewhere around. Then I started reading them. And he also had the New York magazine he wrote about you heard about movies who you'd right in Oscars preview, and they knew right an Oscars recap. And I just was enchanted, by the way, he wrote about stuff because it felt like, you know, he felt like he's my friend. He had a way of writing about things that just you just kinda grasp onto and you just felt like this. This guy could be my buddy, I could go to dinner with this guy and talk them, and it had a big impact on in. If you read if you read wait till next year, he writes, a chapter about Dwight Gooden about Dwight good in went down with cocaine, and we're gonna talk about it when we talked to Luca. But the whole chapter is basically it was had a huge impact on how I want to read a sports com. Because at the time, you know, everybody was writing a sports com. Certain way. And you'd go in the locker rooms and your port them. And it was just you know, there there was a professionalism to it. But the fan didn't really feel like it was being represented in the right ways. And I was felt like I look at somebody like Peter gammons and the passion that he had racist Gerald Leigh montville, the guys that were in the Boston Globe that had a touch of that Bob Ryan, especially with the way he wrote about basketball and the Celtics like he knew he loved basketball, but he was also covering it. And they would just certain people like that that loop. Go is like that to talk to when hued right in the eighties for the daily news. Like I felt like he was a fan like he actually gave a crap and that balance and trying to figure out what that balance is between being detached. But also caring about what you write about as always been a tough on with sports writing over the years Goldman in wait till next year. He writes, the fan notes, and he's just. Basically a crazed fan in the way. He wrote about it. I just never seen anything like it. And it was always in my head from the time. I read that book to win outta calm and college for four years, and and then when I tried to do afterwards when I wrote a wrote d- my own website for four years the Boston sports guy. And then eventually when I landed a page too. But it was basically that same blueprint so between that and all the great movie stuff. He wrote is absolutely the most influential writer that that I had I, you know, I think when people you end up with a style or perspective and its shaped by a bunch of different people. Whether you're a writer musician, or whatever you are you're in that unit pieces of all the people that influenced you when you're kinda trying to figure out what to do. I think a radio host is like that TV host whoever. And so for me, you know, I. There's a bunch of different writers at influence, what might takes were on things, but he had the base influence of any of them. So I got to know him. The mid two thousands, which I I guess we're gonna talk about Koppelman later on, but we just became friends and to to be friends with somebody who you know, was a true hero. But who also was, you know, just a super generous guy who was kind of like, the the the closest thing I had to a Yoda and somebody that he could just always call and shoot the shit with sports movies and..
"leigh montville" Discussed on Cinephile: The Adnan Virk Movie Podcast
"Hun except when it comes to civil rights maybe because he steered sensed on some level or actually believed that you know people should not be bridge the end just because of who they are at birth and so he gives us amazing speech and sure enough within a few years there negro league players inducted into the hall ben is to redemptive to say that because he was ashamed of hispasat he used his moment then to preach for civil rights was that deep or was it just a situation where ted knew was right was right and he was going to set the score right i think a little both probably i think that train station story so revealing the niece all these these what i call the motley crew of mexicans wanted nothing to do with it got the hell out of dodge and but you know it's interesting it did come out in a story that didn't get much attention shortly before its death that mexican heritage and it was a feature story in the in the boston globe written by a freelancer and but it didn't really get picked up or or resonated but you know one interesting thing i learned and put in the book was that he did bond with no mark arsia parham about his mexican american american heritage both i think both know mars parents were mexican american and they bonded together and they were tight those two so but he didn't broadcast it certainly it's amazing when you think about d'amoto williams these two myth logical figures and over the passes time the narrative is flipped it used to be ted was temperamental and a jerk and crazy into maggio's regal i richard ben kramer's book and tamasha was a horrible person it was unbelievably cheap he was completely self obsessed and narcissist and a bad team say what you will about teddy's temperamental was not a good husband but good teammate bobby doorless guys loved having ten the clubhouse it fight for guys i think that's fascinating how you realize hey they had it wrong back in the forties tamasha wasn't the king ten really wasn't i hope this document you helps eliminate that a little bit that's an interesting point i think the narrative has flipped you're right and ted ted was always very kind and restrain to demise yo who would disparage ted privately was to his friends and they you know he would say how many rings hold up hold up his hands how many rings got and you know he runs like a dock and you can't feel doesn't care about anything but hitting and he's yeah and throw like a broad yet and but ted would would never take the bait and always be very deferential joe so i think joe treated ted better than ted more harshly than treated joe i what i love about the film nick as you didn't focus in the ending leigh montville has a great line in the duck mention zeke's if my the only one along with the bible which you wonder what happens the main character after it dies but palm is now if you mentioned somebody twenty five hundred ted williams go the cryogenically stuff like this heads frozen it's because frustrating is baseball fan you say well that's just a small part of the story it's fascinating and i agree it's lurid but it really doesn't tell much the story and i would think in your documentary maybe a few minutes of the end but i'm glad you didn't focus on it did you make a conscious decision to say if you wanna learn about that stuff you can find that elsewhere i'm trying to tell his whole life and this is just one small aspect yeah we we weren't really interested in the nuances and the ins and outs it's fascinating but it is own film i mean it really could be at least an hour just on on what in the world happened after he died but but i was interested in doing for american masters what they do which is creating portrait's of people who are are interesting and complex and obsessive and they're like an artist or like a scientist which is what ted williams was and so he wasn't making any conscious decisions after he was dead so whatever happened it doesn't it's not really that revealing it is revealing that he agreed to do it if you agree to do it and and the way claudia describes it in the film and why in the world she did it or john henry the son did it or ted did.
"leigh montville" Discussed on Larry Wilmore: Black on the Air
"Late nineties early outs who who a lot of people forget that check so you as a laker fan but with the with the foul shooting stills the flaw checkmate on account yeah chamberlain couldn't shoot free throws yeah and you know had pretty good career okay let's say we're casting the ultimate post game show you put shack or bill russell just for one segment bill so why's oh you know who you're gonna talk to shack was a genie in a movie i mean who's born shag is charles record that's right to check wrap with the food nickens was one of his muscle never did that have you met bill russell no but i had kareem on a podcast and he talked very fondly about bill russell and said some stories that i did not know about cream really looked up to russell he was really an income form and wrangler so you know he missed one of these guys who doesn't get enough credit by the way for a lot of things yeah for just being socially aware and being brilliant right man at the right time when i met him you know everyone asks about his rings he has a special ring made just wondering for all the eleven which i think is a amazing oh i think i think that kareem if you never played basketball and maybe his life choices would have been you know would have been steered in different directions but just if he had his scholarship is body of work is interest in life would absolutely be worthy as a podcast guest that guy is so interesting if you never mentioned the sport you think it's interesting because we know he played basketball if the guy was just seven to be interesting what if this guy wrote about the buffalo soldiers yeah yeah careful about it too you know it's interesting in the book there's an interesting mix of not just sports but there's definitely history lessons yeah you know there's so much that if you're a both the sports in history fan it's kind of like the art and history together which i appreciate you know you learn so much about hidden things in there with global does latin his podcast to and ali one was interesting because for a lot of people it explained to them the situation of what was happening at the time with with his his draft from with her draft deferment and the the way that the decision went down i find that an interesting chapter because i leave such an iconic figure that transcended sports right to ask that question what if about ali what if he had gotten his draft deferment yeah right it's fast it's a more interesting question than it appears initially right right because you think i that's exactly right appeal oh he gets to fight more he is better if he's the greatest now think of how much better he would be and leigh montville makes the case yeah he doesn't lose to frazier yes we montville makes the case that p probably have a couple more wins under his belt but maybe the heavyweight division shakes out in a slightly different way however he doesn't become the icon because like we were talking about and creativity and limits because he doesn't have the opportunity essentially to become a mortar he's a mouthy guy who doesn't want to serve in the war and then he said okay you don't have to serve in the war what is he ever sacrificed what does he ever stood for it's all self serving the kind of close minded american who didn't like him at the time when he changed his name from tasha's clay still doesn't like him for three years as he's wandering in the wilderness as he's made to pay his penance people come around people sour on the war but people come around to how convicted he was how much he really meant it and the fact that he never strayed never swayed i think really convince people that this is a guy who lived his beliefs and that's the guy he became and without that good case that he doesn't become a martyr also i was talking to dave's 'iran who also wrote an alley book he points out from a boxing perspective so ali starts he's really slippery he's hard to tag he's he's a swift fighter by the end he slow he's plotting but he's a powerful fighter without that interactive kind of thrust upon them he probably doesn't change styles so it's hard it is hard to say what what the.
"leigh montville" Discussed on On Point with Tom Ashbrook | Podcasts
"Are bite bitesized to continue with the edibles analogy but i definitely wanted to consider very funny chapters in fact zany funny chapters like what if the basketball's were bigger than the rims which is a john boys chapter that's a running transcript of reggie miller and shack debating why no one's ever scored in nba history but i also wanted to have chapters about history that you didn't know asking what if the us boycotted hitler's olympics which shearer springer wrote about brilliantly and that's really more less about the olympics and more about what the looks became an international relations and what a very much wanted to do was there's a lot of different kinds of what fs an ad five different criteria and the last is be funny was to posit a plausible counterfactual you really convince the reader oh yeah if that had happened then these other things would happen i was very eager just to teach people about history i wanted to talk about society the first chapter in the book is leigh montville asking what if muhammad ali had gotten his draft deferment and then the last one is i wanted to do what the sports fan does and i think we heard that on the estimable w e i radio where they're asking what if malcolm butler played now here's the deal malcolm butler was terrible during the season and then he'd come the patriots didn't come that close and the and the third argument against that being the kind of what if in the book is that you don't get any sympathy if you posit what if the patriots won well big deal they went six super bowls instead of five but still i wanted to get into some of the historic what if that real sports fans have always wrestled over well we take a few stops by your home and my home brooklyn new york and speculate on the future of flatbush avenue and atlantic avenue the dodgers the nets whoever ends up playing there but nothing signals that it's time to claim your spot on the couch more than the playing.