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On The Media
"lehrer" Discussed on On The Media
"Any decisions. You haven't made any judgments. Will people aren't like that? That's why I say it's impossible. We go through life. We have experience. We form judgments. We form values. That informs our work. It certainly informs yours, but it never makes you unfair, and it never makes you knowingly inaccurate. We all make mistakes occasionally, you make very few and usually correct them immediately. And that means that you are willing to listen that you are willing to interrogate that your conscious of your opinions. But you also have values. I'm saying that as a word, as I understand it, it can't exist in a thinking person, because the thinking person makes choices. That's why I say fairness as opposed to leaving accuracy aside, that's why actually fairness is what I substitute for objectivity, not accuracy, which I think any journalist who knowingly lies is not a journalist. I accept that and endorse this message. Can I ask you to sort of wait a minute? This is about me. I'm asking you something. Okay, go ahead. I want to talk about what makes your program unique in a maligned medium actually where all maligned, right? Shakespeare wrote in a play first, let's shoot all the lawyers. I've met enough people who feel that they should, you know, metaphorically shoot all the journalists. But talk radio has a bad name, mostly because of a.m. when it's the most important community building mechanism we can have in the Brian lerer community is one of the smartest best informed ones there is, and it's partly because you rise above what might be expected in so many ways. You don't just give them a voice, you give them important things to talk about and especially around election times, like now. You give them this innovation, which I'm so proud of. I talk about it all the time, even though it's not mine, which is 30 issues in 30 days. You say innovation in a way, it's just old fashioned public affairs. Not like that. Not the way you do it in a run up to an election. So people understand what they need to consider when they become the informed electorate that they're supposed to be. 30 issues and 30 days was born during the 2004 presidential election cycle. This year, I was proud that we did that because let's say in New York, for example, where we both are. The race had become so much about crime, one way or the other. And then the media ran with that. But again, what about healthcare? What about housing? What about democracy? What about so many other things? Abortion was the other issue that was being discussed. And of course, we wanted to discuss that too. But what we avoided, I think, was the temptation to indulge in red wave stories, which turned out to be false because we as a matter of policy did not do explicit polling segments. As opposed to following the structure that we set up for ourselves, we were going to do an issue a day for 30 minutes. It is the polls on the prognostication that fuels every election cycle and, of course, proved to be disastrous this time around. It makes me think again of the ways that you go deeper than people think you're going to go as host of a media show. And I want to take this in a different direction, but I think it relates back to the trouble with reality and how we interact with the media on your show, you're going to show that was hooked around the emotion of fear. And the obvious newsy angle was that Fox News had recently amped up their coverage of crime, even though crime rates had not suddenly increased. And your takeaway from that, if I heard it right, was that they were doing this as an election strategy to help the Republicans win because ginning up fear of crime was proving an effective strategy in some cases. But then you went from there to later in the show, a segment about horror movies. It was Halloween week also. And that's exactly. And I know you like horror movies. We've once had this conversation in the office. And I'm like, no, I just want to look away. Give me a call or something, you know? Why do you like horror films again? Well, I think that I'm more naturally a fearful person than you are, Brian. I think a lot of what I do is motivated by fear, whether I'm conscious of it all the time or not. I think therefore I really crave the catharsis you can get by being scared in a safe place like a movie seed or on your living room couch. And so there's certainly that. There's a sort of predictability to it as the person we interviewed discussed that sense that you're going to be scared and formulaic ways, which makes it even easier to take. It's almost like a COVID vaccine or almost any kind of vaccine for the potential illness in question for controlled dose of fear or horror. Possibly, after the peace I did Becca Clark calendar, one of our producers did a piece on black horror in particular. And there was a maker of a horror film who talked to women who had horrible experiences during Jim Crow and he'd used some of those tropes in these films and he said too much, not good. Do you hate it? And they said, no, we love it. It's so much easier to process when we see it this way than when it's a continuous pressure up a formless fear invading your life and your unconscious. I think we've used our available time and we should probably lift the curtain. We don't have an arc. Can I offer a tribute to you? I love your program. I love what you do for New York City. I love your queens accent. And I know that all of New York loves it too. I hope you never, ever try and get rid of it. At this point, it would be way too late in any case. And I love your show and the many spurs that it has created, including even one of your producers winding up, testifying at the oath keepers trial. Because the reporting that he did in the context of on the media revealed so much. So keep pulling back the curtain on our media and ourselves and we are so lucky to have you as hosted managing editor of OTM and not me.
On The Media
"lehrer" Discussed on On The Media
"On a rumination on moral panic in our time? Which was consciously highfalutin. What led you to that and what did you mean by moral panic? Well, workmen, the publisher came to me, we were working on another project and it was right after president Trump was elected. And those of us who live on the coasts and in large cities were conscious of a high pitched scream, a whale, as it were, coming from households and everywhere across the country, this sort of what? The fuck just happened. This wasn't supposed to happen here. And they said, we want you to write something about that. And I said, look, I know how the publishing business works. I write something it takes two years to come out. The world that's already changed three times. I will write this monograph. It's not a book, more like a large pamphlet. In two weeks, and you have to bring it out in two months. And they did. And I was basically just answering the question, what happened? We've all had presidents elected that we weren't crazy about. You know, and I'm not a spring chicken. I've seen decades of presidential cycles, and I've had my fair share of profound disappointments. But this, this was something else. And then what it came down to was an exploration of how we each construct our individual realities. And how hard we work to maintain their integrity, how we are wired, neurochemically, to lie to ourselves if it keeps that worldview intact. And this was a great shattering, something that may be relates to both of us is, you know, we mentioned 1995 as a kind of turning point. You were NPR's first full-time media correspondent. People reading this may not know that I hosted on the media for the three years before you. Do you remember we had lunch? And I said, are you sure you don't want this job? And you said, I assure you, I don't want this job. Well, when they moved from a part time post to a full time post and you became the full-time post, people don't remember that I hosted it because it was much less memorable when I hosted it. But you were a frequent guest when I was hosting on the media. And looking back, I wonder if in those early days of the Internet, you have the same feeling that I did. And have changed in a similar way. Because I was definitely one of those people who fell for the utopian narrative of what the Internet could be. You know, even though I was a professional journalist, I thought it was great that journalism, the collection and dissemination of information was going to be democratized. Where anybody could do it. And I thought it was going to bring people together. It was going to build community. And have people move out of their cable news echo chambers. And other media echo chambers into having to interact with people not like them because you could respond and interaction would take place. So now we know how polarizing the contemporary digital world has actually been, and I wonder if you went through a sort of similar evolution. I absolutely did. They are and back again and back yet again, and then there and back again. Once I was on some PBS show and they said, rate the media, you know, give it a letter grade. And I said, I guess I give it an a, B, C, D, and F there's just so damn much of it out there. And it ranges from the greatest that ever was, to the worst that could ever be. The dark side of that is the Nazi who sits at the end of the bar in Topeka, say, can cry into his beer about how horrible the country is, but he isn't going to find at that bar, you know, 50,000 people who agree with him. And he can find that online. So that strengthens those voices, one thing I think that we thought, Brian, you and I and so many of the former utopians was that human nature is something other than it is. It's very plastic. I used to think, well, we just get the media we deserve and we suck and therefore we get sucky media or we are drawn to sucking media. Now I realize with a greater understanding of how these algorithms work that our natures are plastic and it is profitable for these companies that rely on clicks and engagement to find eyeballs for the ads, which support those services to create engagement with an anger is a great tool to create engagement, fears, great tool. And so that we are manipulated not to be our best selves, but our worst selves. And that I believe is baked in to the way that these social media platforms are frequently sustained, and that is something I came to much later. The trouble with reality. Wow. This will be so manipulated by these ultra powerful algorithms. What do we do with that knowledge? The relative few people who will stop the conceptualize it that way. Well, you can protect yourself. I think just like we need to be fair and accurate, leaving objectivity, which has been, I think, pretty much killed as a word to describe what the best journalist is because it's impossible to achieve. I would say fairness and accuracy is within all of our grasps. And we can do that. I think we should do that as producers of news, and we can also do that as consumers of news. Well, what's the difference between accuracy, which you embrace and objectivity, which it sounds like you just through overboard. Sometimes even though I realized we are all a product of our backgrounds. I bristle at people's denunciation of journalistic objectivity as a goal because I think that's what we're striving for if we have any humility as journalists were trying to paint a full complex picture of reality for our audiences and so we're trying to the best of our ability to be objective, not just indulge in our subjectivity. So what's the difference between accuracy and objectivity that would discredit what I just said? Well, first of all, I don't think that it's a choice between objectivity and indulging in subjectivity. I mean, but I think that a lot of this is actually a semantic discussion. Objectivity means that you go to everything with the blank mind. You haven't made
On The Media
"lehrer" Discussed on On The Media
"WNYC studios. This is on the media's midweek podcast and this week for your delectation, I hope. I conversation with my longtime WNYC colleague Brian lehrer for interview magazine. For those outside the New York area, although he has countless listeners elsewhere too, Brian hosts one of the best live news and call in shows ever. The Brian lehrer show is held a huge and diverse community together and kept it talking after 9 11, the big blackout superstorm sandy, the death of Eric Garner, the Trump presidency, you name it. Every day he offers two hours of principled and contextualized conversation about news, both local and global with the people who make it, and the listeners who have to live with the consequences, Brian is a local hero. It so happens he was also the previous host of on the media. And this chat we share how we came to do what we do. This conversation appears in full on interview magazine's website with the headline, Brian lehrer points the mic at brook gladstone. Who starts Brian? Who starts when you have two interviewers in the same interview, both of our impulses would be to start, right? To serve rather than receive. So would you like the honor? No, you go ahead. You're a better life. All right, so I'll reach back into a little bit of brook history. You were working for NPR as their first ever full-time media correspondent that much I know. Prior to that, I had been an editor for most of my time at NPR. And then for three years, the Moscow correspondent. That was the mid 90s, right? And for some reason, at that point, or maybe I should say only at that point did NPR decide to establish a position of a full-time media correspondent. What was going on at that time that triggered that? Well, I wasn't Moscow. So I don't remember much, but there was suddenly a proliferation of cable services. I mean, that wasn't brand new, but suddenly everything was moving to that space. We also had the rise of online media, digital media, Matt drudge, was a huge thing. All sorts of people were beginning to migrate to the web. If not as a primary source of information back then, a prominent one. 1995 is sometimes mentioned as the year that the World Wide Web as we know it was really launched. So obviously that was a pivotal moment. Actually, media criticism was a pretty tiny group before the web. I mean, the voice had a media critic, newspapers, a lot of them didn't. They may have talked about cool shows coming up, but there wasn't a lot of journalism criticism. I don't think they felt compelled to, because they were in so many people outside with eyes on them and with a platform to share their observations. Now, how about you prior to the Brian lehrer show? I know that you're a native, queen zean, and that your interests ranged from music to public health and tell me how you wound up at WNYC. I grew up in Queens listening to a lot of radio, both music and news. My parents were politically aware and musical. And in college, I kind of majored in the campus radio station and minored in my courses. After college, I was able to get what I thought was my dream job, which was an FM rock show on an Albany radio station. And they told me that besides my 5 day a week music show, I had to do something on the weekends, and I said, well, can I just come in late Sunday Night and open the phones? Too much. They said yes. The reason was that in those days, even music radio stations needed some kind of public affairs credit with the FCC to maintain their licenses. And after a little while, I discovered that I was putting more energy into my once a week, middle of the night call in show than my 5 day a week 5 hour a day music show. So I decided to go back to school for a master's in journalism and really focus on broadcast news. And from there, I gradually wound up at WWE. Wow, that is interesting. And a lot of stuff I didn't know. Surely you're familiar with Donald fagen song Lester the night fly. It's about late night DJ who opens the phones and some of the saddest and strangest voices come through. That particular calling show is a midnight to three show. And the thing that landed me in the Albany papers one time was not anything incisive that I said about politics or the world, it was when I had a suicide call from a listener and another alert listener called the cops who came to the studio and asked me to keep the guy on the line and try to find out is a dress which I managed to do and the cops got there and they saved his life. It also may have been how you found out what the power of radio can be potentially. You were instrumental in saving a life. I feel like I was a bystander, but it was probably more formative than I ever thought about at the time in terms of approaching the talk show that I have at WNYC as not just something that's public affairs in an intellectual sense, but that's relational community building, exercise, and tiny little relationship with each caller. So they call nowadays a parasocial relationship. I mean, there's more intimacy on the side of the listener than on the side of the speaker necessarily. Because we reveal so much more of ourselves and they are able to reveal themselves. But nevertheless, there is a relationship. And it's one of trust and curiosity and not to get too sticky of service. As it is in your case, I mean, you go deeper than people, even think you're going to go when they're listening to on the media. I mean, I'm grateful for on the media for forcing me to think deeply. Otherwise, I'd probably spend a lot more time skating across the surface of things. But I have a very low threshold when it comes to boredom. And I don't want to tell anybody anything that they already know. Yeah. Well, I think it's a privilege and a benefit of the jobs that we both have, that it kind of prompts us toward curiosity. So one example in your case is that you wrote a book called the trouble with reality, is it a rumination or ruminations
AP News Radio
Joanna Simon, acclaimed singer, TV correspondent, dies at 85
"Two of musician Carly Simon's sisters have died within a day of each other I'm Archie's are a letter with the latest Joanna Simon who was an acclaimed opera singer before becoming an arts correspondent for the McNeil lehrer NewsHour died on Wednesday at the age of 85 She had thyroid cancer Lucy Simon known for composing the music to the Broadway musical The Secret Garden died of breast cancer on Thursday at the age of 82 according to her daughter Carly says the loss of her sisters will be long and haunting but it's impossible to mourn them without celebrating their incredible lives
The Charlie Kirk Show
CDC Panel Votes to Add COVID Shots to Immunization Schedule
"The CDC has officially begun the process of making the COVID vaccine on the childhood vaccination schedule. There is an entire committee called at kip, that met yesterday. They're going to meet again today and there's almost zero chance that they will not put this on the COVID vaccine. That is the advisory committee on immunization practices. It is a 15 person board. Now these 15 people, they apply to get on the board and the secretary of Health and Human Services picks you and selects you. And let's play tape of their vote yesterday, play cut one O three. Doctor cotton. Cotton, no conflicts, yes, to miss mcnally. Yes. Thank you. Doctor lehrer. Yes. Yes. Thank you, doctor Brooks. Yes, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And Lee, no conflicts, yes. This vote now passes with 15 yeses and zero nos. No conflicts, really. They're never going to be administering vaccines. And so this is 15 people on this advisory board that are voting to get your children closer to having to experience a mandate. Now it's not a mandate. They don't have that power, thankfully. But it's going to get on the official immunization schedule. We explained yesterday what that means. So who are these people? Exactly. We looked around and our team was not able to find a single media organization that named the names of every single person that approved to put the COVID vaccine on the official childhood schedule. That will assuredly result in more damage and destruction than benefit and blessing.
WNYC 93.9 FM
"lehrer" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM
"Drivers to drive with respect for their highway workers by safely moving over for all first responders and essential roadway workers On the next Brian lehrer show just a week before the Super Bowl a racial discrimination lawsuit in the NFL and it's got a local hook Former Miami Dolphins coach Brian Flores says the Giants gave him a sham interview for their head coaching job last month and he has the texts to prove it We'll look at the suit and the bigger picture Also the new Nassau county executive Bruce blakeman the Brian rose show and 10 a.m. on WNYC 43 with light rain this morning dense fog out there as well We'll see more rain and light rain and showers throughout the day and then study temperature around 41 47 in temperature rises overnight but watch out tomorrow that rain will freeze in the afternoon and it could get really really dangerous Fewer daily Facebook users it's a first and it's clobbering Facebook meta stock Marketplace morning report is supported by Fidelity Investments.
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"lehrer" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM
"To become more progressive, so She'll do what you can certainly, and you know, some people will not be satisfied. Probably just standard the road listeners. We want you to join this conversation. What does this historic moment mean to you? For the first time In 250 years, the state will be led by a woman chief executive and it will be the first governor from upstate in about 90 years. Uh, does that change how you feel about the, uh, the governor or how you will look at Kathy Huckle as she runs for a full term in 2022, as she said she will. Call us at 6464357 to 80, or you can tweet us at Brian Lehrer. Is this a moment that you are celebrating? Or are you someone who is mourning this transition? And if so, what do you hope to see the Hogle administration? Do what issues do you hope they address? To allay some of your concerns again the number 6464357 to 80. Or tweet us at Brian Lehrer. When I want to talk about one of the first challenges that Hoca faces, and she talked about it just a few moments ago, is building out her administration. She's said she's giving herself 45 days to do it. But she's also made pretty clear that she plans to clean house She wants to remove anyone whose name was in that attorney general's report on the sexual harassment allegations against Governor Cuomo. Um, is someone who's read through that report with a fine tooth comb? Are there some additional departures that you're anticipating? This is the very interesting question. A lot of these top aides and Cuomo's closest allies were implicated in different ways in this report, and not just in the report. But you know, over the fallout of the last several months, Um one person who comes to mind is the health Commissioner Howard Zucker. He you know was in charge when the health department Changed an official report to exclude.
Brian Lehrer
Ryan Crocker, Former Ambassador to Afghanistan, Decries "Catastrophic" Withdrawal
Skip and Shannon: Undisputed
Mike McCarthy Compares Coaching Dak Prescott and Aaron Rodgers
"Mike mccarthy opened up about what he learned his pastime with aaron rodgers car relationship with dak prescott. It was all done in what was described as a quote relaxed environment for forty five minutes. Several cowboys reporters mccarthy also spoke of constantly of the cowboys situation. Saying obviously you wanna win games. But i'm building a championship program. Not just trying to win one. We're trying to win them. All so shannon. What do you make of this informal session with mccarthy skew say sometime why why would you tweet that or why would you go to social media why you know skill. I'll believe mike mccarthy believe he's not the coach of the green bay packers because they're rogers wanted him fired. I believe that's what scale with. Someone says oh he. The clinic was that he weird weird he. He's a very intelligent guy. well he the guy. That's very condescending. That thinks he knows more than you and he talks down to people and why that will be going back. Guess what they get this and go back. Aaron rodgers aaron. Did you hear what might say. Yup look out i play. I don't know how many how many of these. Tom lehrer do coach landry. How many did jimmy. Johnson do sit down interview. What is this your the hand you. The head coach of the dallas cowboys cared about no relationship. They won't you there to win game. They will to be free. They come into the house to eat. You're not sleeping anybody's house. Nobody wanna have no drink with you. They jones to win football game. Jerry jones causley talks about his football mortality and what he would be willing to do to hold their trophy one more time. And you're talking about that. I got a great relationship with that. I'm building a championship program. You ain't alabama championship program. Wins have shifted three. You got exactly what you're looking for because you for three years water jason gear dub. That may eight eight. Oh jason eight you wanted to go and now you've got somebody
WNYC 93.9 FM
"lehrer" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM
"It's the best of Brian Lehrer Show on tape today, so we won't be taking your calls. Brian Lehrer on W. N. Y. C as we talk about the remarkable and distressing census numbers that came out in April pertaining to Puerto Rico 12% decline in the population, the biggest of any US state or territory in the 2020 census as compared to 2010. And as I said, at the beginning of the segment, really in a class by its own, uh, because no Stay almost no states lost population. Mostly the census is an exercise in counting how fast different states grew. West Virginia lost 3% of its population that was the biggest state loss. Illinois lost the tiny fraction of 1% of its population, other than that every other state gained Puerto Rico lost 400,000 people since 2010. That's 12% of its population. Uh, and my guest is a lot of Casanova Burgess, host and producer of Fabregas. Stories of the Puerto Rican experience the podcast. Do you want to talk about it at all? Alana in terms of the title of the podcast? Uh, some people listening now may have heard, but a lot would not have heard. The podcast itself or the segment when you were on talking about the title of Brega and what it actually means. This sort of muddling through when things are complicated or define it, how you want. Does it relate to that? Because Leaving is not muddling through. Uh, what an interesting question, And I do like muddling through it. I'll have to add that to my list of brega definitions. Um, yeah. Being in LA Brega is being in the struggle being in the hustle. Um, it means sort of negotiating a solution to A problem that you can't really resolve. So, um And actually, we've been hearing from a lot of listeners from different parts of the world from Israel from India from Kenya, that there are other words in other languages. That basically means this. You know, when you kind of scotch tape together a solution or as you're saying, you know, you're not doing well. You're not doing poorly, but you're just kind of holding it together like struggling, muddling through grappling with a problem. Um, yeah, I mean, I in terms of What we are. Trying to do with the podcast and the sort of exploration of these different But I guess one thing that, um the that there's an important Puerto Rican scholar Arcadia, Kenyans who talks about how La Brega as a word also is a word that belongs to the diaspora who came to the United States came to New York and Chicago and elsewhere in the fifties and sixties and such huge numbers and that they also faced This peculiar situation of being immigrants but also citizens at the same time, you know the immigrant experience even though Puerto Ricans are citizens is very familiar, not speaking. The language you know, trying to navigate a new environment. So they were also But Ogando, you know they were in Nobrega, and it's a very popular word in the diaspora as well. So I'm thinking about that a bit. And also, you know, we do in the second episode, talk about how that huge wave of migration was not an accident. It was something that was very much engineered. By Puerto Rican officials because they felt like there were too many people in Puerto Rico, right. I mean, some of our listeners might have heard about, um, different ways. Um, there is something called liberation, which is, which is, um, how many Puerto Rican women were actually sterilized? Um, in order to lower the population, but another way. That they were trying to lower the number of Puerto Ricans was literally encouraging people to leave because they felt like there just too many people. And so it's interesting. Our last caller talked about the Y then to talked about the coming and going all the time. Um and we do have that history. Edgardo in Brooklyn. You're on w N. Y C high, Edgardo. Hi, Brian. Hi, Alana. How are you? Um, I guess that this one, I just I guess I just wanted to continue to add to the conversation because what Alana is touching are literally right now. It's very accurate because what we looked at in the 19th. 50 through sixties with Operation Bootstrap, which is when my family came to on the United States from Santos, Puerto Rico. And what you saw in that period was about the same amount of Puerto Rican, um, that have left Puerto Rico now over the centers and we're looking at Just under 500,000. Just under I have half million and that had a significant demographic change and cultural change on the landscape throughout the United States, Um You know, you just undo it. Such an important part of the diaspora vernacular and you know salsa was created Poetry department. Some studies were created across the United States because of this massive move of Puerto Rican you then I think what we're about to see The cultural shift with this new generation of Puerto Rican you that are finding home here. I'm a diaspora Recon. I'm a product of that, Um, generation that migrated here in the fifties and with my time and work I've created my own philanthropic project with my graphic novel series level in Kenya because one of the most challenging things I had after Hurricane Maria was losing my family compounded with the tax code Repeal Tactical 9 36, which was repealed in 19 2096, but over the 10 year phase out 2000 and six You know, Puerto Rican you that started leaving the island and rose white collar for the first time Because pharmaceutical mysteries completely collapsed. You can drive through home coast and it's like a ghost town now. So many of these, um, once thriving Factories are now just just Congress a certain a certain kind of tax advantage that was taken away, right? Yeah, most certainly. And so, what we've seen is like you've seen the tax code repeal. Then you saw Hurricane Maria recently just for four years ago. And then you've just seen the recent earthquakes and There have been a consistent migration between the between Puerto Rico and the United States, and obviously things where, uh, Colony of the United States with US citizenship..
Brian Lehrer
Mayor De Blasio Announces 'Hometown Heroes' Ticker Tape Parade
"Amanda Blasio has announced a ticker tape parade through the Canyon of Heroes for next month to honor essential workers. That announcement apparently omitted funeral workers got them as reported. Ben Jaca says many of them feel the role they play throughout the pandemic has been overlooked. It seems as though people are still really uncomfortable talking about death and talking about the really stark scary things that happened last year when it came to these refrigerator trucks. And all the bodies literally piling up all around the city. City Hall spokesperson says they always planned on including funeral workers in the July 7th
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"lehrer" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM
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"No vice on Let me remind you also That moderation. And the pursuit of justice is no virtue. He called himself an extremist. You don't hear presidential candidates doing that every day. But here's that archive clip from the documentary of Jackie Robinson. Who was a Republican. As he spoke to an interview interviewer her ask this question. Mr Robinson with Senator President Johnson? Yes, that would write a strongly for President Johnson holds her Goldwater the No question about that. So for Reid tell us a little bit of the Jackie Robinson story. He was a Republican. He was a Republican. And remember, there were a lot of black Republicans. People often forget, but the Republican Party is the party of Lincoln, the Democratic Party in the You're 20 thirties forties was the party of the KKK and the segregationists and as a result, Republicans were was not unusual to find a lot of blacks who voted Republican. Richard Nixon in 1960 got 40% of the black vote. Now this is after the decade of the fifties, where conservatives like Goldwater had started to come out against civil rights. So so it really it was actually probably even a little bit higher. But in 1960 40% of blacks vote Republican the the party, the Republican Party was really a mixture of that point off some very liberal impulses and very conservative one. So the most liberal politician in America, probably off any stature was Nelson Rockefeller, the governor of New York, who was a Republican and the most conservative politician. In America was Barry Goldwater, and he was also a Republican. The 64 convention, sorts the Liberals and conservatives out and essentially destroys the liberal wing of the Republican Party. The issue on which that split takes place more than anything is the 1964 Civil Rights Act, which was passed just a few days before the Republican convention. Goldwater was one of, I think only 20 senators who voted against it. Most Republicans voted for. In fact, more Republicans voted for it than Democrats. But at that point when Goldwater allies himself with the anti civil rights agenda off the segregationist Black, You know, blacks flee the Republican Party. And so Goldwater gets. I think 5% of the Republican book down from 40, and it's never recovered. Since then, until Oh, and Stanford, you're on w N Y C with Fareed Zakaria. Hello, Angelo. Little Brian and Freedom. The great Brian Lehrer. Once again. Well, I'm also disagree. Um, I must disagree that GOP is Changed. I submit That it has always been thinly veiled. It may seem like I'm being a provocateur about To me. It's always been On the filmic, misogynistic and miss believing money and and lasting Xenophobic band of Old white guy racist, I think Most or at least I would be intellectually. Dishonest. Not to see that. But the writers only now who would last 5 to 6 years found their champion. Their champion and trust. So again, Mike My perspective. It's always been this And the veil has gotten thinner and thinner over the last 25 to 30 years, Angela. Thank you very much for Reed. Look, I think there's some truth to that. But you know you have to. I think you'd have to. Ah, Bear in mind that in the 19 sixties until you know the late sixties. The majority of the most racist politicians and in in America, certainly in the Senate on governors were all Democrats. You know the Southern segregationists were all Democrats that begin that flips. But the change actually takes awhile. Ricardo carries most much of the South s. Oh, it's a slow process that takes place. It's Nixon's Southern strategy that makes that happen. But even then I think that I think that your collar is right. But there was a kind of win, which they play footsie with racism, but they wouldn't themselves, You know, do it. Reagan did that in very symbolic ways. I think it's fair to say the elder Bush was not racist himself. No, I think was the sun, but they would ally themselves with forces like that. I do think that you get to a new level with Trump because Trump openly acknowledges the grievances. Three. You know, the his entire agenda is essentially Race, ethnicity and and all that kind of thing, So I think you know you can say it said the veil keeps getting thinner, but I think that there was a big There was a big shift. The shift from John McCain. Who, um, you know, admonishes somebody who tries to make a racist comment about about Barack Obama at an election rally, and Trump who encourages people Made racist comments about Obama. I mean, that's a big difference to me and McCain lost, then Trump won Precisely and me And and Trump is the darling of the Republican Party, and McCain is an entirely forgotten figure. Gary and Madison, New Jersey You're on w N Y. C with Farid Zakaria. Hi, Gary. Yes. Hello. Great honor to be on the show. Thank you so much. Thank you. Go ahead. Yep. Good. Um I to be brief. I don't have my friends. Believe me when I tell them that, um Then. John President Johnson called Nixon colluding with North Vietnam. Um, I understand and Reagan with Iran to not release the hostages until after he Took office. And what we know about Trump colluding with Russia, and I understand he having a server that only talked with a Russian bank. If I'm correct Andhra documents haven't been released with Bush junior and senior, but we know they have business. With Saudi Arabia. Um, and your show being about the patterns of the Republican Party of late Um, I'd love to know what your take is on, apparently colluding with foreign governments during presidential campaigns in all of the Republican enterprises..
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U.S. and Iran Holding Talks Via Nuclear Deal Signatories
"Countries are doing their utmost to resurrect the Iran nuclear deal in the coming months. Talks open tomorrow with two other signatories to the accord, China and Russia. NPR's Eleanor Beardsley reports France is calling on Iran to show a constructive stents. Following a call with his Iranian counterpart over the weekend, French Foreign Minister Jeeva Julianne said in a statement that he's asked Iran to refrain from further violations of current nuclear commitments. The U. S. Will not take part directly and discussions Tuesday. But for the first time since the Trump administration pulled out of the Iran agreement in 2018 and reimpose sanctions, Ah U S delegation will be present. The 2015 accord lifted economic sanctions on Iran in return for restrictions on its nuclear program. The talks are intended to help identify steps necessary to return to full compliance with the nuclear deal. Iran says U. S sanctions must first be removed. Eleanor
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Minneapolis police chief begins testifying in Derek Chauvin trial
"Or hearing from the Minneapolis police chief who's been quoted saying he believes George Floyd's death was murder. The prosecution is focusing on police Department training that show Vin has cited in defense of his actions during Floyd's arrest last year. During which the officer kept his knee on Floyd's neck for more than nine minutes earlier, the jury heard from the emergency room doctor who pronounced Floyd dead after trying to resuscitate him. Prosecutor Gerry Blackwell as Dr Bradford Longer felt if the paramedics who reported to the scene of Floyd's arrest Indicated they suspected a drug overdose or heart attack. There was no report that, for example, the patient complained of chest pain, or was clutching his chest at any point or having any other symptoms to suggest the heart attack that information was absent. The witness testified that based on the information he had at the time he believed that Floyd most likely died from asphyxiation. The other officers charged in connection with Floyd's death are expected to stand trial this summer. The White House
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What the Deal to Legalize Marijuana Means for New Yorkers
"Cuomo reportedly struck a deal yesterday. To begin the process of legalizing recreational cannabis for adult use. In New York state proponents contend that opening the state up to legal weed will create an industry that will generate tens of thousands of jobs and billions of dollars in tax revenue for the state. Yesterday's agreement specifically addresses the punishing toll that the uneven enforcement of low level marijuana offenses in the state has had on poor black and brown communities. It includes a provision to re invest millions in tax revenue generated from cannabis sales. Into these communities, and the state plans to set aside a portion of business licenses for people of color and women. Now, these plans have generally not produced the intended equity results. In other legal weed states. So can New York do better? What are the terms of the agreement? Why now? And when will you be able to walk into a store and buy some with me now on these questions, and more is Alice and Martin, co founder of Cannabis Wire, a news organization covering the cannabis industry nationally and globally she's been described as the queen of the we'd beat. And she's monitoring the legislative proceedings in Albany. Very closely. Hi, Alison. Welcome back to W. N Y. C. Hey, Brian. Thanks for having me. I always love coming back and let's start with that basic last question first, if this does pass next week. When can people walk into a store or I guess they'll be called dispensaries and buy marijuana products illegally. Well, you know, I don't have a crystal ball like anyone else. But I would say Ballpark at least a year, maybe two years. It takes time to get the market up and running. It takes that much time. Well, rulemaking. Of course, that's that's really the sort of sausage maker after bills passed, then you know a lot of lot of heads, get into the room and figure out sort of the nitty gritty details. Will there be any
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CDC warns movie theaters are dangerous places to be if you are not vaccinated against Coronavirus
"Let me start here. Movie theaters We opened in New York City over the weekend. We've we did a call in on that for people who went back to the movies in the city. This weekend. They've been open many other places for a while with capacity limits. Is there any good data on covert spread and movie theaters? You know, there's plenty of data that shows that Cove. It does spread quite effectively and closed indoor settings. And so that is still technically considered a high risk setting. And I would say I would only recommend doing something like that unless he if you were fully vaccinated, and you know that the people that you were going whether fully vaccinated that I'm gonna always there on the conservative side here. But indoor activity has always been considered based on the data, high risk
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New York City high school reopening plan coming next week
"Mayor De Blasio says he is aiming for public schools to reopen fully next fall. Wi sees Jessica Gould has more the era of hybrid learning could be over soon. Speaking on the Brian Lehrer show, the mayor said he envisions welcoming back all students in person in the fall. We will be fully open in September. There would be five day a week instruction for everyone. But de Blasio says some students may prefer learning virtually and the city plans to offer an all remote option as well. More immediately, he says, next week he'll be announcing a date for high schools to reopen to in person students. Hey, schools opened in October but shut again in November when Corona virus cases started to rise sharply. Elementary schools have been open since December. Middle schools reopened last
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Ron Johnson Makes Senate Read 600-Page COVID Relief Bill Aloud
"Got to this morning's official debate on the coronavirus relief bill in the Senate Republican Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, decided to make a show of his opposition to the bill by having the Senate clerks read out loud the entire 628 page thing. New York Times notes as a point of reference that the sixth Harry Potter book clocked in at 652 pages, and many of you know how thick that was, By the way, that was Harry Potter and the half Blood Prince. In case you were wondering Imagine reading the whole half blood Prince allowed without a break. The relief bill took 10 hours and 44 minutes at about the same length. Here's 44 seconds of what that was like. Section 27 oh five funding for grants for healthcare providers to promote mental health among their health Professional workforce section 27 06 funding for community based funding for local substance use. Disorder Services section 27 oh seven funding for community based funding for local behavior. Health needs section 27 away funding for the National child Traumatic Stress Network. Section 27 09 funding for Project Aware section 27 10 funding for you Suicide prevention section 27 11 funding for behavioral health, workforce, education and training. Section 27 12 funding for pediatric mental health care access section 27 13 funding for expansion grants for certified community behavioral health. on it went. The reading ended at just after two in the morning. Washington Time
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Calls for Governor Cuomo to step down
"Small group of progressive activists and elected officials marched outside Governor Cuomo's office yesterday and called on him to resign. WN my sees George Joseph has more The protesters were outnumbered by the press, but they were passionate Amelia did. Cotton, a Queens Democratic district leader, says she made up her mind after hearing about the dubious nursing home death numbers and the harassment allegations. If I were in a workplace and I had those allegations, I'd be fired, and there's no reason that the governor of New York State should be held to a lower standard than anyone else. Most Democratic leaders haven't done the same. Instead, they've been asking for an independent investigation. Cuomo did not respond to W. N. Y C his request for
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New York Sues Amazon, Saying It Inadequately Protected NYC Workers From Covid-19
"New York's attorney general, is suing Amazon over the company's alleged mistreatment of workers during the pandemic. Attorney General Leticia James says the company failed to take adequate health and safety measures. To protect employees in New York, for example, by knowingly operating at Staten Island warehouse with dozens of workers who had the Corona virus and not notifying other workers who came into contact with them. James says the company also illegally fired employees who raised concerns. A spokesperson for Amazon says the lawsuit doesn't paint an accurate picture of the company's actions. It sued James's office last week, alleging that she is overstepping
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"Yes, I'm here. How are you? Doing? Well, Thank you. Tell me about your experience. Well, I was on vacation. Great to this was about a decade ago, when I was a kid. I was driving through Georgia outside of Atlanta, and I got arrested. Were pulled over for going 6565. I got arrested with a gram of marijuana. They took that to the bank. Uh, I ended up Luckily, I was able to post bail. I'm of the understanding that if I hadn't posted bail, I would have waited nine months. In holding for for sentencing for 1 G of marijuana. I think I was the only white guy in the entire damn building and And I got to say even after I posted bail, they refused to release my probation to New Jersey. It was Sentinel Sentinel probation services. Tried to extort people. I understand that there was a class action lawsuit afterwards, I was unable to transfer my probation to New Jersey. For that reason I had to pay Quest Diagnostics. Extra Lehto, Watch me urinate in a cup and mail it to Georgia. Um Exclusively so that they could profit. I imagine, um and yeah, yeah, They sent me the N A. For nine months over a grand marijuana. Georges is backward slaves. But the I want here is the most crazy part at the very end. When I try to confirm the fulfillment of my probation and and finalize everything clear my name when you called the probation officer Ask if I paid every fine which by the way was about $9000. Um They told me on the phone that I did all the money, but they no longer could collect it because the dates had passed in which they could ask for it. And I would I asked what the hell they meant by that they just hung up. Oh, it was clear that they're just trying to extort people. Thank you for calling and sharing your experience that appreciate it. Bianche. Is there any anything we can do? We can learn from dance experience about the role of private corporations and what happened with him. Yeah, I appreciate dance during that story. There's actually was so interesting As I was listening. I was listening to at least it seems like a handful of people who were or agencies or institutions that we're finding a way to profit off of that particular experience right from lab plus Tonto or laugh or rather Tonto Sentinel attentional actually is a very notorious Um, probation. Electronic monitoring, Uh, business down in Georgia that Dan is right did have a class action lawsuit on has actually moved out of Georgia. Um, as well as private prisons that are down in Georgia and incentivize that type of really draconian response. Tonto. In many cases, very, very minor offenses that wrote people in for it looks like years and certainly for thousands of dollars. No. E want to turn back the clock quarter century right now, um It was have a clip here from President Bill Clinton. It was President Clinton and his 1995 state of the union. He talked about the now infamous 1994 crime bill. Come here, a little bit of former President Clinton. I know the Members of this Congress are concerned about crime, as are all the citizens of our country. I remind you that last year we passed a very tough crime bill. Longer sentences, three strikes and you're out. Almost 60 new capital punishment offenses. More prisons. More prevention 100,000 more police. Janka. Your Your report lays out, um, that private prison groups championed the proposals laid out in the Clinton crime bill and even helped draft portions of the legislation. You explain how the 1994 crime bill meant more contracts, ultimately for private prisons and how that became Even truer going forward with some amendments to the bill. Sure. So what happened around the time through the 19 nineties? Of course, Civics your groupies. Other private prison companies were working with a trade group called the American Legislative Exchange Counselor for sure. Alec, which is a conservative trade organization that helped lawmakers Part. Corporations to draft legislation and core civic was actually on the criminal Justice task Force of Alec in some cases, even being the corporate chair and helped draft the model legislation behind mandatory minimums Strike law. Truth in sentencing laws, many of which were then adopted by eight and also codified in the 1994 crime bill. Um the 1919 94 crime bill also did was allocated a tremendous amount of money of federal grants. Two states that would also adopt these really draconian laws for the purpose of building new prisons. So they said, basically to the states Here. The federal laws We can't actually tell you skate ABC that you have to, um, take up this lot, but well, we could phase will give you a few billion dollars if you do. And so many states as you can imagine, did And then it was in the coming few years in 1985 90 96 that they passed a few additional laws drafted that came out of Alex. The private correctional facilities are on the prison Industries Act that century allowed for that federal money to be applied in contracts with private prisons. Um, and for the expanded use of prison labor Fascinating. You know, private prisons air compensated by the government for each day that an inmate or detainee occupies a bed So they maybe have a financial incentive to keep people locked up longer. Is that right? Unity? You said that I believe you've stated a staff that says states that rely on private prisons. Keep people in prison longer. How does that work? That's right. Well, there have been academic studies that have shown, But jurisdictions that have private prisons tend to keep people in prison longer, And that's because a number of reasons you'll see offenses that take place within the institution within the correctional institution, Then being, you know, added on to extend people's time in detention. You see just the system's kind of working together to keep people and longer and You know, this is really important thing. Toe. Look at when you're looking at the perverse financial incentives that private prison companies have to keep people in for longer, Andre That that certainly is reflected in state jurisdictions that have private prisons. I also want to add that you know, the 1996 illegal Immigration or Emigration Responsibility Act that was passed also under the Clinton administration had a huge impact in terms of increasing the explosion of immigration detention itself. That law, you know, really worked to criminalize immigration status and increase the immigration consequences of criminal convictions. So not only that those earlier 1994 laws, coupled with the immigration reform laws, passed two years later by the Clinton administration really helped to increase the number of immigration detention facilities nationwide, also benefiting private prison companies. If you're just joining us on the please. 1.3. Yes said, which was that, Um In fact, you've actually during the time in the like mental late nineties that private prison companies stocks started to tank. And it was, in fact, the 1996 immigration bill that helped resurrect private prisons and anchor their president sort of in our society and culture. And so it is. Tears just point just really e Think of studying and frustrating to know that private prisons were started off immigration detention and in a few different cases saved by the federal government from bankruptcy through immigration detention contract. Fascinating. I was just want to introduce you guys again if you're just joining us I'm w N. Y. C reporter Matt Katz filling in for Brian Lehrer. I'm speaking to worth rises. Executive director Bianca, Thailand who you just heard from, and Unis show senior staff attorney for the A. C L U National Prison Project, focusing On immigration detention. I want to fast forward to where we are now we know that that Trump president, former president Trump double down on the use of private prisons. President Biden signed an executive order last month directing the Department of Justice not to renew its contracts with private prisons. Let's hear a bit of Biden and then talk about what that means. This is the first step to stop corporation from profiting off of incarcerating incarceration that is less humane and less safe is the study show. Eunice, can you explain how far this executive order goes and whether it expands on anything that President Obama had done because he had also tried to end the use of Private prisons by the federal government..
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"Take down a monument, whatever it is, is absolutely hollow without some sort of larger discussion, some sort of outreach to the community. And most of all, massive curriculum changes. Because we do not teach this history. We don't teach it. Well, We don't teach it in detail on Gwi. Don't teach it in a way that That people can engage. Hamilton was wonderful because it made this period exciting. But it you know, wasn't it was a creative endeavor. So there are lots of errors you know you Hamilton has been sold is an uncompromising abolitionist. That's what Ron Chernow called him. But we know that he, in fact, did own enslaved people. So what I tried to do in my biography. Is not end up at one of these ends of the spectrum, but rather just take everything as I saw it. If Washington you know, on one day he interacted with Washing energy. Endurance, acted with Hamilton, Jefferson Madison and also the enslaved people who made his life possible that we need to see all of that, and we just don't get that in our textbooks. So maybe keep Washington as the name of the school but also give your students there a robust curriculum that both talks about the stories. We've all heard about him the myths in within those stories, the contradictions in his political life and personal life as a as a slave slave owner. And as somebody who also created this great precedent for the peaceful transition of power. Just put that all together and actually Teach the students that in a proper way before you go ahead and just remove his name from the school. Is that a Fair assessment. Fairway from, you know, but again if there is a mural from sample that depicts genocide that Washington did, in fact, you know order Then, you know, maybe that mural should not be in an elementary school. What we should have and what is missing from the mass decisions that were made in San Francisco over the removal of these names and also the 17 76 report. You know Donald Trump's answer to the 16 19 project is Historians of American history you I mean, we know this from covert. You need experts when you're making decisions that require expertise, and there has been a fundamental lack of value placed on this. And so we end up with just utter, um other lives, War or just mischaracterizations in the 17 76 report, which is now you know. Its archive, but it's no longer available through the White House. This was the this was the patriotic education project that Trump had tried to push in his last days in office, right. That was a response to The time 16 19 project, which had dated the country's true founding to the start of slavery, and that riled conservatives and this was his response. Right? Just background. Yeah. Absolutely. And there was not a single American historian on the this commission about American history about the founding era. And so I'll just point out. You know, there was so many errors. We don't have enough time. You know this entire month to go through them, But we do. I can focus on one thing, which is that They said that Washington emancipated all the enslaved people on his family's property. That was the wording in the report. Washington didn't have the power to do that Mount Vernon at the time of his death, there were 317 enslaved people living there. Washington on Lee owned 123 people of in there. The restaurant, Martha's Family because she had been married before, so they were going to her first husband's Ares, So it's just it's a complete misrepresentation and even complicated further on Lee won enslaved person. William Lee Billy Lee was emancipated upon Washington step out, right? Washington wanted Martha to keep maximizing value from the enslaved people, and he didn't want her to have to face the reality that he didn't want to face. Which was, these people are going to be ripped away from their wives and their husbands and their Children and their grand parents. They're never going to see each other again. Whether it's because of freedom for Washington's in save people or because they're being split among you know. Five different heirs who live in Five different states with with Martha Washington's air so so it's really disingenuous to even say that many people were emancipated. It was just one Wow. If you're just joining us W. N Y C reporter Matt Katz, and I'm filling in today for Brian Lehrer. We're speaking to historian Alexis Co. This President's day and we're taking your calls. Jenny from Prospect Heights. Hi, Jenny. Hi. How are you? Good. Thank you. Thank you for calling in Um, thanks. I just I've been reading your biography and I loved it so much, And I wanted to like, Thank you so much for writing from such a different That's it. I don't think I like I loved I mean, I loved your talk about its size and a lot of other things. It was also really crazy here. About the slavery. I e think it was like editor is nice to have that perspective highlighted a lot more than I need another biographies, which I appreciated, But I also want to talk about how George Washington. You know you talk about in the book that he takes off his military, Um Uniform when he becomes president. And how important that Woz Tuvia president, and then yet later he took up arms against his own people on the only technique up into like a few weeks ago, the only president to do so. Yeah, and I It's interesting. Yeah, I mean, sure is the thing He that he could possibly been impeached for that. What she's referring to is the whiskey rebellion and thank you, by the way for all the kind things that you said about biography that you know those were all Michael's. The whiskey rebellion was a rebellion where ironically, people who had no voting power were being taxed in early America. You had to own land. You have have a lot of other check marks before you could vote. So so Basically it was what the founders had been complaining about what the Boston Tea Party was about, and Washington because he was a military man. He Decided. And first of all, this is executive overreach because this happened Pennsylvania and you know the officials there said No. We're not going to do this. It's not a real rebellion there. Just set. They don't actually have money. They were still you know, they were still trading for goods. The amount of cash they had. This is limited. So they literally couldn't pay the fines on, dear, we're some violent incidences in which beautiful work you know, tax collectors were tarred and feathered. All right. Um, there wasn't some massive rebellion is it was being sort of over, you know, understood. Alexander Hamilton got a little excited. Washington Secretary of War wasn't even there. He was looking at a house in Vermont. So washing decides. I'm you know, he loves this action, so he puts on his uniform. He rides out with them and when he gets Halfway there, he decides. Oh, my God, I can't do this. I'm president of the United States has already looks bad. It's already I'm sidestepping the Constitution in order to, you know, put down this rebellion and have the strong show forth in America. So he turns around by the time the army gets there. There are like three people in this field. They have a whole army. It's totally embarrassing. All the papers, you know, completely drag Washington say that this is the most shocking thing he's ever done. On Dit is a part of sort of the general public for for the most part trying against him, compared to what he enjoyed before, which was just total adoration that the last state of the union that he gave Andrew Jackson is a young member of Congress. He doesn't even stand up to applaud. Wow. Wow, Fascinating..
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Iran issues rare threat to develop nuclear weapon if "pushed"
"His country could push for a nuclear weapon if international sanctions remain in place. The remarks were carried today on state TV. And they mark a rare occasion that a government official says Iran could reverse its course on the nuclear program. A judge has Excuse me. A judge has
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"Brian Lehrer and W N Y. C. Where it's time for the latest news with David First I David, what's happening? Thanks. Brian. Lawyers for Donald Trump are calling the impeachment case against him an act of political theater by Democrats. In the brief filed today on the eve of the Senate impeachment trial, lawyers for the former president said it was unconstitutional and must be dismissed. Historic second impeachment trial is set to start tomorrow. Groups of mostly massless fans took to the streets and packed sports bars across Tampa as the Tampa Bay Buccaneers won the hometown Super Bowl yesterday inside the stadium, the NFL and cap the crowd at less than a third of capacity due to the pandemic. But outside social distancing was abandoned in the streets and sports bars as fans celebrated the win over the Kansas City Chiefs. Mass covert vaccination site will open at Citi Field on Wednesday. It will operate 24 hours a day from Wednesday through Saturday and serve eligible Queens Residents licensed Taxi and Limousine Commission ER commission drivers and restaurant delivery staff as well. Mayor de Blasio says those workers need to be protected from the coronavirus folks. We depend on folks who really have taken care of us, and we're there. Throughout this whole crisis, they'll be special appointments for TLC, licensed drivers and food service workers from all over the five boroughs. Citi Field site was initially delayed due to a shortage of vaccines allocated to the city. Those who qualify can try to make an appointment at NYC dot gov slash Vaccine finder. Or by calling 877 vacs for NYC. That's 877 via X. The number four and Y C. A similar sites prioritizing Bronx residents is currently open at Yankee Stadium. New York City plans to reopen its public middle schools on February. 25th officials are asking middle school teachers to come back the day before on February 24th and the city will offer them priority for vaccines during the mid winter break next week. The Education Department says it will also increase staffing both to conduct mandatory testing at schools and to work in the situation room to respond to potential covert cases. There's no update yet on when public high schools will reopen. And officials say racial disparities in vaccine distribution are happening on the state level, not just in New York City Gothamist Sydney Pereira reports. Data from New York City health officials showed that black and Latino New Yorkers were getting about half the share of vaccinations for what would be expected for those groups. Now, state data shows black and Latino residents who are at least 65 or essential workers. Are getting vaccinated less than other races across New York. Recent poll from the Association for a Better New York found vaccine hesitancy is higher among black, Latino and Asian residents, but that survey was limited to people with Internet. Access challenges in the vaccine rollout have played to the campaign from the beginning from a patchwork of different sign up websites and linguistic barriers to criticism about inadequate community outreach. New York City Sanitation Department says they'll continue to clear streets today. Trash and recycling collection will.
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New York City Mayoral Candidates Unite To Stop "Superspreader" Ballot Petitioning
"New York City public advocate Germany. Williams and seven of the leading mayoral candidates are urging city and state leaders to suspend ballot petitioning under city and state law, candidates must gather thousands of eligible signatures to secure a spot on the June primary ballot on the Brian Lehrer Show. Mayor de Blasio said he thinks candidates need to do something to show grassroots support. There's lots of ways that could be done, potentially including online, so I very much would like to see. Change here because we're in the middle of pandemic, but I am not certain that something can do alone. DiBlasio says he thinks the change would need to be made at the state level.
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"Say we're in a race now between vaccines and variants. And so some covert news as Madonna and Fizer work on tackling the highly transmissible New cove in 19 variants. Another vaccine from AstraZeneca is closer to rolling out. But some countries in Europe aren't recommending it for people over 65. Also, the World Health Organization has clarified its guidance for pregnant women, while sort of clarified. And for people who have received both doses of the vaccine. Many are asking with uncertainty. What now? How does it change my life? Joining me now, with some answers we hope is a poor of Amanda Vili. New York Times reporter focusing on science and Global HEALTH High. Porter welcomed after W N Y C Always a pleasure, Brian and let's start with some of this vaccines versus variants news you recently wrote. Madonna and Fizer Both said their vaccines were effective against new variants of the coronavirus discovered in Britain in South Africa, but they are slightly less protective. Against the variant in South Africa. Why might the South African variant B stealthier So the South African variant has some mutations that are very tricky. It has one in particular that's called the Forward four K that changes the shape off the spike protein a little bit That's the protein that the vaccines are using to generate an immune response. And so the idea is that if the shape of the protein has changed a little bit that the antibodies find it a little bit harder to latch on to the protein, so the vaccines are a little bit less effective. Good news, though, is that they are effective. I mean, these vaccines are so good, so much better than we need them to be that it's not really a big deal to lose a little bit of their effectiveness. And when you write that the vaccines are slightly less protective. What does that really mean? You just put it in the context of slightly. So what's the less protective part? We don't know the exact numbers, but it looks like it might be about sixfold less effective in the lab. And I want to make that distinction. Because in the lab, you're really only testing for particular kinds of antibodies, but in in real life That your body makes antibodies to all kinds of parts of the spike protein there T cells. There are B cells that the immune response is so much more complicated. So if we're seeing something like six fold less, it doesn't mean that's what it'll be in real life. But It's still going to be way more effective than we need. So there's not yet cause for concern. And so Madonna is responding to the variance in two different ways, according to your reporting one way the company's handling various by developing a new form of its vaccine. That you write could be used as a booster shot against the variant first discovered in South Africa. Can you explain a little bit about how that booster might work? Right. So the idea is that if the virus keeps changing what they may need to do is just tweak the vaccine as we have it now, as you know, the Madonna and the Fizer vaccines are based on this technology called Marnie, which is essentially a string of Code. Um and they could just change that code a little bit to match this new variant better, and that's something that can be done relatively easily. So Madonna is planning to create this new version of the vaccine that would work against the South Africa variant. And, um, released that as a booster shot so that people who've been vaccinated can just get that booster and be protected against both the variants that are circulating in the U. S now. And the one that's coming up in South Africa, so that would be a third shot basically of its original vaccine. Possibly or it may just be a second shot. All of these details haven't really been worked out. We don't really know whether we need this yet. It's just that they're planning ahead. We don't know what the testing would need to look like wood. There need to be another clinical trial. That's maybe smaller and shorter. We don't really know all those details, but potentially, it could be a third booster. Potentially, it could be a second one. Remains to be seen. And according to your reporting, Fizer is saying it could have a newly adjusted vaccine against the variance in about six weeks. Well, the FDA had to approve these vaccines in the first place. How will they handle fast tracking the vaccines for the variance? Even more quickly than operation would speed. Yeah, This is a complicated question, because Unfortunately, we don't have a very key piece of information, which is knowing exactly how much of the immune response we need to protect against the virus. If we knew that Testing any new candidate would be relatively fast, but without knowing that we may need something like another clinical trial. I asked Dr Fauci this question a couple of weeks ago and he said, You know, it's maybe they would have to do Trial with a few 100 people instead of a few 1000 Andre, There are companies are talking to the FDA right now to figure out what that would look like. And listeners. We can take your covert 19 vaccine variant and other questions for a poor of Amanda Billy Science writer for The New York Times, 646435 70 to 86 46435 70 to 80 or you can tweet a question for her. Act. Brian Lehrer, You tweeted something interesting yesterday linking to one of your colleagues at The New York Times articles you treated for people who've had Cove it People have had it. The first dose of vaccine is like the second for the rest of us. Explain that. So the idea behind two doses of the vaccine is that the first does primes your immune system. It introduces your immune system to the virus or in this case, the viral protein spike protein. And then the second dose. Your immune system is now ready and boosted to really recognize the protein and fight it. If somebody has had covert already, they've already had one round with the virus. They already know what the virus looks like. Their immune system is already ready to go so they may only need one dose, which would function like the second does for the rest of us. The second. In this case, the very first dose of the vaccine that they get would strengthen the immune response they already have from having had cove. It And you tweeted another interesting thing yesterday the power of vaccines. We vaccinate enough people here to see these trends and that links to somebody else's. Tweet of a chart. In people 60 years old and older who have been the first to vaccinate In the past two weeks in that age group 41% fewer cases 32% fewer hospitalizations 27% fewer critically ill people than in the period immediately before So my question is, How much do you think Science can attribute that to the vaccinations that have taken place as opposed to some other things that were going on at the same time, like the end of the Thanksgiving and Christmas spikes. Well, this is in Israel. The numbers that you're talking about, and Israel has done very well with the vaccine rollout. They've been extremely efficient and they've rolled out the vaccine to millions more people than we have. And they are seeing some effect on the hospitalizations and deaths. It's early and one of the reasons we haven't reported on it yet, but it's it bears watching because it looks like once you start to have the vaccine out in some number of people who are at risk. You will see the step. That's always been the hope right that with the vaccine, more and more people would be protected, and the backs of the virus will find fewer and fewer people to infect. So well don't want see quite the number of hospitalizations and deaths that we have been. You're right that there's also the seasonal element. There's also the holiday element.
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South African Variant Of Covid mutations May Be Stealthier
"And let's start with some of this vaccines versus variants news you recently wrote. Madonna and Fizer Both said their vaccines were effective against new variants of the coronavirus discovered in Britain in South Africa, but they are slightly less protective. Against the variant in South Africa. Why might the South African variant B stealthier So the South African variant has some mutations that are very tricky. It has one in particular that's called the Forward four K that changes the shape off the spike protein a little bit That's the protein that the vaccines are using to generate an immune response. And so the idea is that if the shape of the protein has changed a little bit that the antibodies find it a little bit harder to latch on to the protein, so the vaccines are a little bit less effective. Good news, though, is that they are effective. I mean, these vaccines are so good, so much better than we need them to be that it's not really a big deal to lose a little bit of their
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Black and Latino New Yorkers Trail White Residents in Vaccine Rollout, New York
"Sharon W. N. Y. C. And since the earliest days of the pandemic, as you know, black and Latino people in New York City have died from covert 19 at twice the rate of White New Yorkers. Now is vaccines become available. Those communities that have been hit the hardest are not getting prioritized in a rollout system that seems to be giving an advantage to groups that skew whiter and wealthier. According to City data released over the weekend, three white residents received a covert 19 vaccine for every black or Latino person in the city. So more specifics. White people make up 32% of the city's population. Would have received 48% of vaccine doses. Well, Latino residents make up 29% of New York City residents, They comprise only 15% of vaccine takers. The black community accounts for a quarter of the city. But their vaccination wait is nearly 11%. The data is incomplete because a large portion of non city run vaccination sites and failed to report vaccinations by race, But public health experts say that this data that we have shows a definite and concerning trend that is being repeated in much of the country. With me now is City Council member Mark Levin. He chairs the council's Health committee and is calling on the city to make specific changes to its vaccine rollout. And we also have doctor who J. Blackstock. She has some of you know, from her appearances on this show and elsewhere, is an emergency medicine physician, founder and CEO of advancing Health Equity and Yahoonews Medical contributor. She has suggestions for the Biden Harris administration to fix an excellent equities in the distribution system. At the national level. Welcome back to WN my see both of you. Hi, Good morning. Brand. Thank you so much Frying and council member for listeners who did not hear the mayor's press conference on this over the weekend. Can you further elaborate on the data that was released? I know you and others. I've been calling for its release for weeks. Well, we We have an incomplete picture. Brian. I want to stress that we only got a piece of the data which illuminates inequality, but it does offer race and ethnicity breakdowns and you ran through them. White New Yorkers are getting vaccinated at triple the rate. Of African American Latino New Yorkers. Really, That's the discrepancy. That's even greater than some of the other covert inequality that we've been seeing in this crisis. But we're still lacking something really fundamental. We have no zip code level data. Which could compare the Upper East Side to the South Bronx, Um, another critical view of inequality. It's really perplexing that it hasn't been released yet. Because the day that the data is there. The city collects addresses on everyone in vaccinate, so we're still fighting for more transparency. It's not too soon. To get beyond hand breaking ringing and 0.2 solutions. We need to fix this. We need a new Web registration system that stop blocking out people who don't have tech savvy or English language skills. We need to stop. Of crowding out people in vaccination sites and low income neighborhoods who are competing against people generally white, middle and upper income people from all over the region. We can do that. By having prioritization and scheduling for local neighborhoods at their vaccine site. We need to change eligibility and away that fixes the era of committing so many critical groups like people who deliver food people who work in taxis in restaurants, nail salons, people who are who are incarcerated. And finally find we have toe get out of City facilities and go door to door. We have to be going door to door. Vaccinate. We actually can't deliver the vaccine door to door for people who are homebound. Other states are doing this and also simply to make appointments for people who are not able to Get onto a home computer. Let's go door to door with ipads and sign people up. This problem can be addressed and we need to not just talk about it. We need serious action. To reboot our equity strategy for
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"Brian Lehrer Show on W N Y C. Good morning again, everyone so half of all Republicans, at least according to pretty recent polling. Still don't believe that Joe Biden won the 2016 election. That's from a recent box and data for Progress Pole in particular. And with that startling stat. It's a long and difficult road to any sort of unity among the party's, regardless of Joe Biden's earnest intentions right from many what many are calling a rigged election to a catastrophically bundled pandemic response. And many, many things before them Faith and trust in our government. And other public institutions is at an all time low. My next guest has written what we might call a very prescient book about this topic begun before the pandemic or are on peaceful transfer of power. It's about how Societies act when they lose faith in public institutions, but also about how mistrust can sometimes be a force for good and social change. He even uses the word. Insurrection in a positive way in this book, though, not applying to applying it to things like at the Capitol in a positive way, So we'll talk about that with these than Ethan Zuckerman, professor of public policy, information and communication. At the University of Massachusetts and AM AST and director of the Institute for Digital Public Infrastructure. He's the author of The new book Mistrust While Losing Faith in Institutions provides the tools to transform them, Professor Zuckerman. Great to have you again. Welcome back to W N. Y. C. Brian. It's always great to be with you. And thanks so much. It's It really is an interesting time to be putting this book out here in the world at a moment where there is so much mistrust and we have so much questions about how our institutions are functioning and not functioning. You want to give us a thumbnail history because, according to stats, you site four out of five Americans trusted public institutions in the 19 sixties. Now it's less than one in five. What happened? This is really the figure that got me thinking about this whole topic. Um, we've been asking Americans whether they trust the government in Washington to do the right thing. Since the early 19 6 states and that number peaks in 1964 at 77% of Americans. So when my father is graduating from college if you ask most Americans whether the government is going to do the right thing, four out of five of them are going to tell you that it will do the right thing. Most of the time. By the time I'm in college that numbers down around 30% And now really over the last decade or so That number has been stuck at 15% or lower and that happens in both administrations. The Obama administration has about a 15% confidence in government. Under the Trump administration. We have similarly low numbers. What's really interesting is when you dig into it further. It's not just the collapse of trust in government. It's a collapse of trust in institutions of all types. Anything that doesn't have a face where you're dealing with a bureaucracy rather than dealing with humans. We lose trust in the health system. We lose trust in media. We lose trust in banks and in big business and in the church. And what happens over all is this portrait really from the 19 seventies onwards of people feeling like the institutions in their lives in the United States are working most of the time. To a place where we are right now, where most people think a whole lot of the systems that we deal with are broken on DFI ailing us at all sorts of different turns. Ironically, I think you're right that the only major institution that is earned greater American trust in these past four decades and I've seen this polling through. You know many, many years now is the military. How is that possible after so much death and destruction in Vietnam, which I think was one of the causes for the beginning of the era of distrust and institutions. And in America's Forever wars in the Middle East. Indeed, it's It's pretty chilling that the sort of notion that the military is the most trusted institution in society is the sort of thing we expect to hear in Egypt. That's not what we expected here in the United States. I think there's two reasons that happens. I think the first is exactly what you said. We start the polling During the Vietnam War. And during Vietnam. There's enormous mistrust in the military. There's lots of systemic misinformation coming out of the military. I think part of it is to the military's credit. I think we recognize that in an all volunteer military, there's enormous numbers of very principled people who are working very hard. And I think a lot of the blame gets being put on the political system rather than on the military for the endless words that were involved with, even if what this reflects is a professionalized and ethical military. It's still not a good look for a democratic society. That is not the one institution you want everyone to have trust in. The hope is that people have trust in a wide variety of institutions, and particularly in government institutions. And maybe you should lay out the breath of the kinds of institutions that people have lost Trust in because I think the first thing people's minds go to is Congress and maybe the presidency, But you're also talking about religious institutions. You're also talking about the press. It's pretty wide, right. That's right. And in almost every case, you can look to a precipitous decline that has to do with some sort of long term scandal. Um, so conference in the church has an awful lot to do with the Catholic Church sex abuse scandal. We can see the Boston Globe reporting on abuse within the Catholic Church, and we can see a slide in confidence in the church. As an institution. We see a huge fall of confidence within the medical system. My hypothesis on that is that it has a lot to do with HMO's and healthcare getting bureaucracy, ties and people interacting more.
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Amanda Gorman makes history as youngest inaugural poet
"It's interesting that Democrats choose to honor poets and Republicans aren't really into that. That aspect of the inauguration. I think it's really Really beautiful the way poets have been able to stitch together an American collective narrative through their poems. You know, in the past democratic inaugurations, I've remember my Angelou. Marry Angelo reciting that poem, and I think that was the first time that I was moved really internally moved by hearing her words and then, obviously Elizabeth Alexander. So I'm looking forward to today. I think s so many of us feel a five relief but also cautiously optimistic. I mean, we we do know that there are domestic terrorists of sort of threatened to ruin this day, so I think a lot of people want to get to 12 o'clock. And they want to get sort of. They want to savor the day but also get through the day. So it feels like a new administration is on followed footing. And here's maybe where the poetry and prose meat a little bit as reported in USA Today this morning. Amanda Gorman told the AP that she was not given specific instructions on what to write for the inaugural poem, but that she was encouraged to emphasize unity and hope. Over quote, denigrating anyone or declaring Ding Dong. The witch is dead over the departure of President Donald Trump. She's calling her inaugural poem The Hill we climb. Woman says she has been given five minutes to read. I believe the My Angelo poem also was five minutes prior to what she called the Confederate insurrection on January 6th. She had only written about 3.5 minutes worth, she told the AP. She said That day gave me a second wave of energy to finish the poem, adding that she will not refer directly to January 6 but will touch upon it. She said the capital mob did not upend the poem she had been working on because They didn't surprise her and quote the poem isn't blind. It isn't turning your back to the evidence of discord and division. So some
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"If he's acquitted again, it enables a Josh Holy or Ted Cruz or anyone else to take those next steps toward fascism, whereas if he's Convicted. It actually might have a practical effect in terms of reversing that tied in Republican America. What do you think? Well, I agree with you that the stakes are probably even higher than we're capable of imagining right now, because this this is one of these is one of these turning points where how you tell the story of what's happening is just as important as the event itself. No. They're already all kinds of versions out there from Mr Trump and from others, you know, to the effect that It was just free speech, or it was actually it was actually the left and storm the capital, or, you know, whatever. Whatever it might be, and impeachment and trial is one way of trying to keep the story straight. And as a historian, one thing I can say is that that's actually not that straightforward. You know, you need to have processes, including investigations, which create the facts and create the documents. Help the nation to understand five for 15 or 50 years down the road, what happened and what's important. As for my take on the politics, I mean, my take on the politics is that very soon? It will not be the Democrats. But the Republicans who will be keen on getting Mr Trump out of politics. I mean, that might already be true. It's just not something that they can say aloud. Very well. But it might have my analysis is right that the Republicans who are basically you know the gamers, the ones who managed the system like Mr McConnell. They want him out because he's a loser in 2024. And even if you are holier cruise, you know when you want to inherit this story, That doesn't necessarily mean that you want Mr Trump in politics, right? Actually, you need to have him out of politics. You don't want to be. You don't want to have him with the story when it's the same story you're trying to use so I could be wrong about all this, but my sense is that Republicans, I mean, it's going to shift very quickly after January 20th. I think I think after January 20th It's going to be the Republicans who are not going to say it aloud, but I think they're gonna be once you're going to be sitting on their hands, hoping that there are 67 votes. Well, they're about six other big angles in your New York Times. I say that we could pursue if we had time like help Plato and Aristotle predicted Trump and a few other things. But I know you got to go. So I want to thank you very much. For your essay and for sharing it with us today Historian of fascism Timothy Snyder the pamphlet as he referred to it that he published in 2016 is on tyranny on tyranny and The New York Times essay that many of you may have seen this week. It's called the American Abyss. Thank you so much. It's my pleasure, Brian Lehrer and W N. Y. C more to come. It took a violent mob for some in mainstream media to hear what journalists of color have long been saying about the dangers of white supremacy. Where do we the media go from here? We're gonna talk about it. Plus, we chat with filmmaker Kemp Powers of Soul and one night in Miami..
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"Leave that staying in Trump's good graces Staying, you know, in the good graces of the Trump voters would be beneficial to his party's chances to potentially retake the house in 2022, because let's remember More times than not the party that does not have the presidency does well in that first set of midterms, and it wouldn't take much for Republicans to gank into the pick up enough seats to gain control of the House of Representatives. It's a special coverage of the impeachment of Donald Trump. Brian Lehrer with you with Jonathan Momir, AP White House correspondent as the House is currently voting on the rules for the impeachment debate to come just after that, and we are filling that gap. Mitchell and Stuyvesant Town. You're on w n My C Hello, Mitchell. Hello, Brian. Good to hear your voice is always this is not Mitch McConnell. This is Mitch Raben. Let me be clear, although if it were Mitch McConnell, I would be voting for impeachment. No question immediately. But my question to you, Jonathan is I enjoy you, by the way on Joe all the time. Is, um, What do you think about Vice President? Pence's After being, um Threatened with being hung. I mean, the words are hard to say. Has now gone back to Trump and is like Feel hiding. On DNO. Not going forward with the 25th amendment. What do your thoughts about what's really behind this? Is it simply fear? What is it? The relation between Trump and Pence is a fascinating one. Thank you so much for the question. I mean, as people close, the vice president have said in recent days, I mean, like Spence couldn't have been more boil to Donald Trump for four years after the election. It is true. It did not embrace these. Not as much publicly. The president's rhetoric about this being a fraudulent results were rigged Election Lynn or voter fraud? He he didn't really do that, but certainly nor was questioned his loyalty to the Trump Pence ticket. To to that movement. But Trump grew angrier. Angrier about that, particularly as all the legal challenges. The election fell by the wayside and were defeated. The president's focus became on January 6th. Well, that that was the moment when the electoral college was to be certified in Congress that that was gonna be the moment to try to overturn the results, and he believed incorrectly that tends to do that, on Pence broke with the president. We saw that the letter he outlined and released last week, just hours before the instruction began saying that he did not have the power to do so that he was going to do his constitutional Duty Since then, the men you know, while Pence Woz in side Congress and was inside the Capitol, and they're her indeed. Violent chance about the vice president and his life was very much in danger there. President Trump never once reached up never once called him never once went to check on him. On and the two men did not speak for a few days. Certainly then, as that's when speculation grew about the 25th amendment, Now we know now that seems very unlikely public happen. Emerson resigned. It doesn't seem like much of an appetite among other remaining members of the cabinet to do so. And Vice president Pence himself has sent signals that he wouldn't support it. But we're not seeing him out there in front right now defending the president. At all. Hey, In fact, in his public statements of late made clear that he was indeed just falling his duty and while he would not support the 25th amendment, there was no condemnation for vice president Pence. About this impeachment movement and certainly no defense of the president, not by name. The two men did meet in the White House the other night. It was described as a cordial It's stilted meeting on that was, in part the president's efforts to make sure that vice President Pence Would not embrace the 25th. And then then, so that regards perhaps it was successful and the vice president, his future here remains unclear. He he is cooperating with the transition. He is saying goodbye. The AIDS hey, is telling people close to him that he plans to split time between Washington, Indiana going forward. He's also someone who I think you know, had long suspected. He, too would run for president someday. Maybe he thought it would be 2028. But now, of course, he could potentially do so in 2024. I think he's making calculations to that effect now. Take me one step deeper into Pence's brain. To the extent that you can hear is The New York Times headline this morning on a pentangle article. The headline is Pence reached his limit with Trump. It wasn't pretty. And it details phone call that I guess has now been leaked between Pence and Trump. Who called the vice president's residence to push one last time for him to try to overturn the election results on the night before January, 6th and Quote here of Trump. Two pence is you can either go down in history as a patriot, or you can go down in history as a Keyword and yes, it's the same P word that we associate with the access Hollywood tape. So, he told Pence. You can either go down in history as a patriot, or you can go down in history as a Keyword and to this idea in the headline that Pence reached his limit with Trump. It was in pretty he, nevertheless, just like Kevin McCarthy is drawing a line. At not apparently going to a yes vote on impeachment, Even though he reached his limit with Trump McConnell, it is uncertain whether he will go to a yes vote on conviction in the Senate, even though he's weeks his limit with Trump. Hence reached his limit with Trump. It wasn't pretty and yet He transmitted that message to Nancy Pelosi last night? Pense did saying No. I will not invoke the 25th amendment. Why, as far as you could tell, did he draw that particular line when it was available to him? It's a balancing act that all of these people in Trump's orbit are trying to maintain right now. It's certainly that is a favorite word of the president..
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"So much fear work. My heart's beating so fast. I'm really big fan of the show. But anyway, I listen to your show yesterday and I was watching all the live coverage. And what I'm curious about is like the media and public surprise in response to yesterday's instruction. I'm referring to it as something that could only happen in a quote unquote. Third world, country or developing country when crews are something that our military government have historically played a part in a broad and all over the world. So what is this refusal to look at what's going on now in the U. S ballistically critically, and with historical precedent. Um like is this American exceptionalism? Not what might have gotten us here to having this president in the first place. We always talked about how he's a symptom of the larger, flawed system. But Refusing to acknowledge that our boys abroad are also our was at home. Our history is completely intertwined with the president and as a public and the media. We're putting ourselves in these situations where we're always surprised and unprepared to deal with. Deep rooted issues in the country on Glinton, you to let things develop, as is and cold. Anything in the horrendous point on Glinton Ewing toe let flow violence continuous well. Yeah. Theresa. Thank you so much for your kind words and for your thoughts and filling that out in a very compelling way and in a factual based way, and you are correct that we have to take a look at our own history. And involvement. Involved in Guatemala. In the 19 fifties. That includes the Dominican Republic. I believe that was in 1965. Think Chili and Tennessee in 1973 on and on and on. We have a long history. Getting involved in the affairs of others in the so called banana Republics. That were in fact made that way. In part based on Financial and economic interests of the wealthy, well off and well connected in our own country, working in partnership with the CIA and others. Lot of wild conspiracy theory. That's historical record. And so I appreciate You pointing out that dynamic and I think we should all be sensitive and how we discussed Our own history and its applications of what took place yesterday. So you managed one impeachment of President Trump earlier last year. Now, some people, including some members of your caucus, are calling for another one even though they're just 13 days left before Biden is inaugurated. Is the Judiciary Committee taking any steps I'm going to try and from being a conversation tomorrow with the entire House Democratic Caucus. At some point Both discuss what took place yesterday. Perhaps here from the sergeant at arms and the Capitol police chief But then also to have a discussion amongst ourselves. About Holding this president accountable and what that might look like. Over the next 13 of 14 days, In my view, all options. Should be on the table, including impeachment conviction and removal. It's got to be a caucus wide decision. To go into that direction. And we've got to at least figure out where the Senate is that In terms of holding. This particular president accountable. The 25th amendment is another option. But that, of course, is a process that is initiated by the Cabinet in coordination with Vice president remains to be seen. Whether that will take place or not. I want to know delusion. Someone like Betsy device. We'll have the moral Fortitude or courage to be part of that. Tickle the effort. Some who were discussing censure. And then there are others who want to make sure that there's a full and complete criminal investigation. Into every single person, no matter what office they hold, who may have been involved in inciting that insurrection, and that's certainly something I support as well. Congressman Hakeem Jeffries Challenge of the House Democratic Caucus member of the Judiciary Committee representative from parts of Brooklyn and Queens. We have another of your colleagues with prosecutorial experience. Kathleen Rice standing by, as you may know, she had already called before yesterday for a criminal investigation of the president. For appearing to threaten the Georgia secretary of state in that phone call over the weekend if he didn't flip the election results, so we'll talk to your colleague Kathleen Rice. And just the second congressman Jeffries. Thank you very much. Thank you so much. Brian, and please give my best to Kathleen's. He's a tremendous member of the New York delegation. Brian Lehrer and W and my C Congresswoman Rice after this If you're planning on getting rid of your car in the coming months, please consider donating it to W. N. Y C will turn that old car into the in depth news and reporting that keeps our community informed. When you donate your car, you'll support w N Y C and get a tax deduction. Well, even tow away your car for free. Find out more about how to donate your car at W.
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"Lehrer Show or on Twitter at Brian Lehrer. Yes, we continue on w N. Y c. Making a time capsule together. I'm Brian Lehrer. And if you're just joining us, this is a W N Y C special for bringing out the old and ringing in the new as we head into 2021 leave 2020 behind. We are making this time capsule. To document a year that we would mostly rather forget, but is important for many reasons to remember and will re open the time capsule in the year. 2030. We have Oskar Eustis, the artistic director of the Public Theater. Coming up a little later in the hour. We continue right now with my colleagues, Kai Wright, host of the United States of Anxiety and W n My scene, Gothamist news reporter Glen Hogan, who's been out covering all kinds of things this year. At the risk of making Gwen blush. She had the courage to be one of the first reporters out to cover Elmhurst Hospital. In Queens. Was it Elmhurst? Or is it a different house? It was actually it was a hospital, but it was a front line. It was the hospital where a lot of people yes, I thought I got that mixed up, but nevertheless, it was early in the pandemic when nobody knew how safe it was to go out. And even as a reporter cover the horrific scenes at the hospitals that were breaking out in New York City and listeners we have Particular caller question on the table for another few minutes with Kai in Glen inviting those of you with Children or grandchildren, who are kids today to leave a message for them about racial justice in 2020 and how they should measure progress in 2030. Who else wants to give that a shot? Before we take another call. We have some people holding on and waiting. But when you have one more clip of tape from your reporting this year, right? Oh, yeah. I just wanted to tell you about this other night That really stands out in my mind from the early you know, the first week of demonstrations after George Floyd was killed. Um, I was. I don't know if you remember Brian. But there was a group of protesters that were trapped on the Manhattan Bridge for a while. And I was with them that night, and this was a few days in on DSA. We had seen all kinds of violent altercations in the days before And so there was sort of this anticipation that violence could happen. On DSA. So as the group marched across the bridge, they were met by hundreds of officers who had formed a wall, preventing them from leaving the bridge. The demonstrators stood there for like, two hours, maybe three hours. They linked arms. They started chanting like it felt like they were preparing for battle. They took steps forward. They decided they were going to rush the barricade. Meanwhile, police have surrounded us from behind, and there were also police sort of lining the walls of the side of the bridge. They could jump over the fence if they wanted to. It was this very fell like a tinderbox about to explode, and eventually, a few of the people that had just ended up randomly leading this group brokered Convinced everyone to retreat and they convinced the police to let them leave the bridge peacefully. They had this, you know, very tense, kind of bartering at the front of the front of the line and As they retreated. They ended up retreating without any physical violence. I talked to this one guy named Albert Powell. He was much older than most of the demonstrators who you know, are sort of in their teens and early twenties. He was an older guy in his forties or fifties. I don't exactly remember, but he had convinced people not to rush the barricade. Tow walk away from the altercation on Dhere here. He talked to me about why Cannot lose another. No, my.