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Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast 5/21/20--Guest Lee Davis

The Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast

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Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast 5/21/20--Guest Lee Davis

"Narrow maximum security has been defeated king for a day. This is the Jason Beam. Horseracing podcast brought to you by twin. Spires your daily home for Horse Racing News interviews wagering discussions and more. Here's your host. Jason be good Thursday morning. Y'All welcoming Jason Beam horseracing. Podcast brought to you by twin spires. May the twenty. I happen to be with you here on this horse player Thursday. That's right if you're new to the show every Thursday or least nine and a half out of ten Thursdays once in a blue moon. We won't but we always a horse player on. It could be just stay discussion about horse. Playing about their time. Playing the races could be more of a lesson or You know learning opportunity could be any of the above but we like to focus on the horse players. The folks who make the Great Sport of Horse Racing Go round the folks who put their hard earned money through the windows folks pay my salary. That's for darn sure. So we like to feature the Horse Player here. On Thursdays we talk about pours playing throughout the week as it is but Thursdays we try to stick right lane unless there's big news or other stuff but Got a couple of things planned here in the early parts of the show. We're going to welcome in Lee Davis who was on the show horse players back in twenty fourteen. I think it was. I remember watching when it came out because it was on the esquire network which who knew at the time. I had my Portland Oregon cable package but sure enough I did. I remember watching. That was a point. Tv for me for for the period of time it was on it was neat to see. You know guys like us Playing the races and in doing so we'll talk with Lee talk a little bit about his background in the sport and playing the horses working on Wall Street all that kind of fun stuff coming up a little bit later on. The jury is going to be here. Tomorrow there are five stakes races as part of the churchhill downs card. And on Saturday. It's a it's a Doozie. These Churchill cards are they're pretty awesome. They'RE PRETTY CHALLENGING. And it's almost like oaklawn you know picked up a Churchill's just picking up where oaklawn left off except for there's turf racing and I saw Scott and Joe. Christopher in a conversation somebody was tracking their their picks and both saying hey they were up the first weekend. Roi's and Ed was saying his was not good but when it's racist like this and it's early on in the meat. I mean you can have a three or four good picks on a card and your Roi jumps way up and you can have an for twelve just as easy and obviously sink a little bit so we'll talk a little bit about what's coming up today at Churchill's they resume racing on this Thursday because two year olds or start now and there's also a maiden race early on that I think is a really great example of a discussion on class. So that'll be the first part of the show. Davis GONNA join us a little bit later on. Should make mention for you. A harness folks out there the Return of racing to cya downs. And I believe the first hardest track to get back up and going harness. You had a full shutdown essentially when it comes to racing. I know seems like a lot of them are scheduled as of now to return early June It's been interesting to see kind of how I mean. Racing is kind of re popping up in a lot of places not most but most I would say a majority now have either reopen date scheduled or are reopened or a reopening very very soon. And you know we still haven't really heard set plans for baseball and hockey and And the NBA so racing. I mean obviously. I think there's just less logistics for us because there's less touching I mean of the athletes. You can't can't play hockey game or basketball game without lots of very intimate contact than intimate in the intimate way but close proximity and baseball. You kind of can. I mean you're still tagging guys and haven't type plays and I saw some of the initial. Mlb rules were like no spitting and know this that and Racing as a whole there was very little contact Between the participants on the field of play other than the occasional heard at the top of the stretch from some writers. But Yeah so. Glad to see for my. I have a lot of buddies in the harness area. I don't know how much how many of our listeners are harness of course Post time and Mike and Mike do an ice hardest show. That was There was America for years and A lot of folks Listen to them. I don't know I don't know what our audience skews harness I would think there's some overlap. I mean there's a lot of players that play both. I've just gotten into it because like I said I have. I have friends who work in it or follow it very closely. So I've Kinda dipped in a little bit of a toe in the world harness and as I said in recent weeks been watching a lot more low sound Remington and I found myself getting to the corridors and let her have learned a lot. You know like I said my zoom chat is filled with the experienced horse players. And and some of them. That's kind of their area of what they really enjoy. And so it's fun to to listen to kind of a new thing and honestly get a new perspective. I mean I called harness races at Portland for years but are not harnessed Quarterhorse but I never had any kind of sense of what was really going on. I mean I know when somebody breaks good it call it on their forget the Guy who was the backup before we Patrick Harrison. He told me one time he said. If you can't see who's in front early on he goes default to the inside because the camera angle looks like they're ahead. I always thought that was a smart but also maybe not great advice. 'cause I remember seeing a horse stumbled out of the gate and he was still called the horses being on the early lead. A as I mentioned the two year olds beginning at Churchill downs today I post On this Thursday card at one o'clock eastern and a full slate thirteen of them scheduled to go in the open one of them's and also article so I guess twelve of them because they're going four and a half and so I can't imagine that allowing thirteen or fourteen would be good because the run into that I turn is Is So short. I did notice in the conditions it says made into your phillies for two year. Old International Medication Protocol Horses nominated or entered to compete shall not be eligible to receive furor. Osa made less than twenty four hours prior to post for the race. I don't know what that is. That is that like the medical term for six. But we're going to start seeing. I think Santa Anita had run the first non six two year old race last weekend right and so this is kind of this new era as a result of the safety coalitions who I felt like we heard a lot from post Santa Anita crisis and has been quiet lately. But maybe I'm just not paying attention but it's funny to see these names that you see at Keeneland John Hancock. He always pops up in these races. Wesley Ward of course and the I believe the first run happy baby is going to hit the track in that race. Four mattress Mac. I mean Kinda rightly so right should be his His horse that runs is the first run happy and I wonder if he almost like wanted that like I wonder if he liked. Call the other owners and like. Hey this mattress Mac. I WANNA run first. Run Happy. And we're GONNA do it. Churchill on Thursday after that y'all can go but I up to me so lor wohlers training and in Laura a two for twenty seven for with their first time starters but his positive. Roi So one or both of those were a bomb and debut maiden special weight to for twenty two so not unheard of for her hit with the first time starter. A series of three furlong workouts to work at not a lot of I mean. Four furlongs is the longest distance work on the page. I always a two year olds or any any debut in horse I WANNA see a couple of workouts at least five You know I guess you don't need a five to four and a half I would always. I don't know the trainer who I came up with. That was my buddy been route. You know he was always preaching. He wanted to see a couple of fives on there. So maybe I'm just listening to him. Maybe I'm part of the Stone Age. Wesley Ward Horse Tequila. Queen has a few fours but no five. So maybe it's maybe that's just part of the deal and I don't know what I'm talking about one of them's a forty seven chain at keeneland. I mean. That's that's moving and obviously with a short run into the turn. I really much has been talked about about words. Horses not firing at at Gulfstream. It'll be really interesting to see. I mean this is a high priced. One they paid three and a quarter for this horse. So this is not like the kind of you know. Cheap yearling purchase that they want to get that maiden win and they make money on it. they're going to have to win this one plus several others. I mean it's a Philly so obviously she can be bread or bread more so than like stallions. Obviously you have to be really really cream of the cop crop but going to be interesting to see if she can fire out of there because he is just not been all that great. We've seen a few other trainers pop up. Data Gulfstream who've been pretty good with these curious to see if any of the I mean there's a lot of names you just don't hear all that often at Churchill that kind of specialized these show Keelan all the time and so it makes sense that they would be churchill. Steve Aspen does have mad. Mattie who's drawn the rail because of the Entry Ed is the number two horse drawn the rail one they paid a pretty penny for has a forty six flat workout from keeneland a from the gate. I mean just motoring and so I gotta think that workout combined with Asmussen is going to make that one. The likely second. I mean at some point until ward winsome one or two or more of these. I gotTA think that they're just not gonNA take the money they normally would because you know but I think people just so conditioned it's a ward two year olds gotta gotTa just single it. And maybe they'll be right but Boy It's been a struggle for him so far early on this year Let's have a little conversation about class. I think one of the things we ran are going to run into the church. You'll meet and I kind of mentioned it last week. With the boys in the jury is normally keeneland is kind of where everybody meets up. After all their wintertime races be at fairgrounds. Beat Florida New York. Be It Even out West Texas Arkansas Oklahoma. Wherever they often all converge at keeneland and with no keeneland the convergence zone has now become Churchill and the third race on Today's card. It's a maiden twenty thousand dollar race for the fillies and Mares gone a mile. And there is a plethora let me move my mic here pump. That may doesn't make a big noise. there's a plethora of horses coming in from different circuits at different price levels and to me. It makes an interesting handicapping factor for this race. And I know speed figures are kind of supposed to be used to Almost you know take away the class differentials between circuits but I am so convinced that numbers run high at some tracks and lows and other tracks and I see it all the time When I was working at Monmouth you'd see the parks horses. They always came in with what looked like bigger numbers. And it just. I just think that that's a thing so you can look at this race. Okay you got an oaklawn horse coming in from the inside a horse who had also been running at turf way for made thirty thousand and was running okay at turf way for maiden thirty so they stayed at that level on the dirt and it didn't go very well. Horses nine th beaten one links and was a way higher price which to me is notable because the turf way races were both large fields in fact all three of them were Nine eleven twelve yet. This horse was six to one six to one five to one. At that. Made thirty thousand level at turf way yet goes to Oaklawn same price level different surface obviously and a field of ten. So can right in between there and yet is twenty. Two one is the competition that much tougher at Oakland. Probably but it's the same price right. It's and so what I'm getting at. Maiden thirty is not a maiden thirty is not a maiden thirty is not a maiden thirty as you go from different circuits levels. Even if the dollar amount is the same or different an open five thousand claimer at. Churchill is saltier than an open five thousand at Emerald. I know that sounds like it should be kind of obvious based on circuit but we're talking price and You know there's some nice five thousand climbers at Emerald but I think most of them get clobbered if they go to Churchill and run in an open five over there now. Part of that is because of purse. Money right mean a an open. Five at Churchill's going to run for however many thousand and one at Emerald is gonNA run for several less thousand. But you know as we go the two-horse stylish ash coming out of a maiden special weight from January of Nineteen on the grass. Now moves to the dirt and is in for the twenty thousand. I mean it's a class plummet. Yes is it a class plummet off a long layoff? Yes so those are things you got away. But I don't think the class drop matter so much other than kind of saying like this horse has been off a long time new. Barnes must've been an injury you know. There's there's red flags you got a first time starter next. Oakland horse coming over who just got beat for maiden twelve five so again made thirty at. Oaklawn was way way tougher than maiden thirty. At TURF WAY DOES MAIDEN. Twelve five at oaklawn equate to maiden Twani at Churchill because if it does this horse probably is right in the smack of things I in fact had a huge lead midstretch and blew it that was a mile and a sixteenth so obviously cuts back to a one turn mile here. This horse had run for made in twenty five at Oakland and got absolutely annihilated before going back to the main twelve five. So how much of a step up is this? Is it a step up at all? I think it's a really interesting thing to talk about. The five Horse Union Song was running for Maiden fifteen but it turf way park which through our gauging of the the one horse is not quite as as difficult as it would be at Oakland so to me. This is a little bit of a price hike and a bit of class hike. In addition to that The horses effort at turf. Way was quite good finished. Third Beaten three and a half. Got A seventy one number which which bests a few of the runners in here. The six Rosa for Jason Barkley is up. I think a really interesting. Kinda class gauge because ran for twenty five it maiden at Oaklawn and pretty well third beaten a length and a quarter. They actually drop off that they were thirty seven one day drop in their seventeen to one and run okay fourth beaten four and a quarter for maiden sixteen o clock which I would think is a little bit parallel to the maiden twenty here and then they go to will rogers where they run into maiden special weight run about the same speed figure and kind of have about the same performance they jump from a lower made claiming all the way to Maine special. But because it's a different circuit. It's just different levels and so you know there's a turf way. The seven is a is a maiden special weight at turf. Windsor forty-six thousand dollar races got thumped. Pretty good but her figures kind of fit with everybody else is fifteen one of the morning line and now dropping in for twenty I would venture a guess that a maiden special way turf ways a tougher spot than a maiden twenty here significantly and this horses one dirt race was this'll down and a maiden special weight and ran okay. Ran Third so to me. The sevens interesting on what I think is a decent class drop and return of surface. You get a Tampa horse coming over from a maiden twenty-five but it was an off the turf race oh how tough was beaten eleven links and there's just multiple examples. I think of interesting class drops. I think the nine will get some attention Al Stall Gypsy wife Maiden thirty thousand and Oaklawn now drops down to twenty here. It's both the price and I think a little bit of a class. Drop IN TERMS OF DIRT Racing because the oaklawn dirt racing of course was so tough there toward the end of the meat. You know another will rogers. Horse in the ten. Who was showing speed? And then you get a turf way maiden thirty so a little bit of a drop from turf way but I would tend to think made in. Thirty is probably pretty on par with maiden twenty here so And then the outside horse was a maiden thirty at Oaklawn who darn near one and will probably be one of if not the favorite so Just I think a really interesting example of class at different tracks. Different surfaces different locales and how it kind of converges into one particular race at another track. And so I'm really excited to see how the third race plays out would love to hear your guys opinions on class handicapping If you have any can always email me Jason Charles. Beam ITCHY DOT COM. Let's take a short time. We come back. Lee Davis is GonNa Join US for Horse player Thursday segment. We'll do that interview right after the short time out. The Jason Beam racing podcast brought to you by twin spires twin spires. Is Your home for wagering on horse racing from all around the world sign up today and take advantage of our one hundred dollars. Sign Up Bonus when YOU WADE. Your five. 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You may have seen on the show horse players very pleased to welcome Li Davis to show Lee. How are you pretty? Good Jason. How you guys doing doing good? I was thinking before I think a lot of folks associate you and your crew is New York guys and I was wondering if you were playing other circuits with New York shutdown right before we came on air. You said you were a mid card at Tampa. Yeah Yeah that's I am the Tampa but the funny thing about what this corona virus and the whole my whole life has been turned upside down my one of my favourite tracks but me. Pita Peter. Scene is my good friend. We were together all the time. We got involved with Fauna Park. And I can't tell you how good we do and I've been making money and I never thought I'd say this but I'm thinking about renting a house in Nebraska instead of At Saratoga that's how good I've been doing it on a par. I feel like the real estate and grand island in July is probably not bad. I gotta be cheaper than you know what? It's a good point to make because I think a lot of us. You know we get very married to the big circuits and obviously you know New York is your guys is kind of home areas. Circuits makes sense. But I think a lot of people kind of dismissing and forget about the smaller tracks I mean you know the old adage afford a one fodder pays the same afford one at At Belmont so a lot of stuff I wanNA talk about and I was curious in terms of your handicapping with New York. Do early on when they come back. Will it affect the layoff horses and all that stuff? You think you'll have to change your handicapping it all for you. Is it just kind of a normal day at the races? You know what I'll I'll start out doing my normal handicapping way and then I'll notice pretty quickly if I have to make adjustments as far as well as does that been laid off you know. What does that normally that around layoffs? I kind of stay away from because a lot of horses have been you know running and I and I and I I usually like what's that have been running and working and But now everybody that's been out for a while. I don't know how it's GonNa work but I have to start somewhere so I thought my usual basics you know handicapping and then. I'll go from there to make adjustments will. Yeah it was kind of watching it at Santa. Anita this past weekend and it just kind of trying to because I think you're right I think there's going to be some barns that are going to be hot and some that are going to be because this is just not their normal ammos right. Yeah but we'll pick up on that as the kind of pick up on that quick. So that's that doesn't scare me. I'll tread tread lightly early. You know as far as money goes and then when I when I get comfortable and I feel like I really look. I'm I like something. Send it do. You have a particular Betting style are you more of a horizontal guy? More of a win place guy do you. Do you have Kinda Usual Bets? Or does it vary from race to race and opportunity that opportunity Well it normally varies from Opportunity Opportunity. But for the most part I'm pick three pick four. Pick five pick six. That kind of better I. I used to be exact triple guy and went back. Peter Peter my friend. Peter a seniors more that way and I'm more of A. I found myself being a lot more successful when I could spread. You know what I mean because so many races are so hard to come up with. It could be five or six hundred in the rate but I have a chance on how the races run so I kinda got used. Benny pick threes and fours and fives. And I've been successful doing it so I kind of stay with it and he sometimes tells me we got you know back to the base. You gotta come up with a trip below super or something like that but I leave that to him so we go partners and and you know we raise together so but those are best that I like. Yeah I was GONNA ask about the team aspect of guys handicapping and bedding because I think a lot of people when they get a team there. Do you guys often end up on similar horses? Because you're talking back and forth and there's that or is there a lot of kind of dissension in the ranks and you kind of just have to go off on your own? Yeah there's a lot of dissension in the ranks? We we look at racist differently I'm more of a you know I looked to try to find loan speed and I wasn't that close at to the pain. He's more of you know depending on the pace of the race. Obviously there's a lot of paints up it closes but you know we we kinda argue about certain things and they'll say you. How could you pick the street speeds in a race? But I'll go but he's a wheel speed and if you're chasing you're going to get nothing about you know we go back and forth and we ought young screen but at the end of the day with best friends will pawn and we figure it out and we do it. I I go on my own on. It's funny because I think a lot of I've noticed. A lot of my friends have styles and their certain horses. I just I know they're going to like because a horse kind of fits a little bit of that style. Are you guys kind of like that? Yes yes so. Yes we all like that. I'm just watching the fix one by ten and I I'm fortunate in having I single. The Big Five thirty five wasn't a big one anyway but I loss okay. We move on then. Yes exactly. That's great about US racing. There's always another race. I I used to be really bad about remembering that because I used to get very focused on like how I was doing today. Oh I'm down two hundred today up one fifty today instead of kind of thinking about it in terms of the long game I mean there's there's literally hundreds of races run every day. I don't think there's any hurry to get a bed but for me. That was also a problem. Yeah no yeah. When I was young I used to be like that and I get hung up on if I lost. I get so bent out of shape that I forget about. You know something else and then it would. Another rates would come up and I wasn't paying attention and my was winning. I'd be aggravated. But I I kinda like grew up and I got a little more mature And now it's just like no big deal. I have my my set amount that I play for the week And then I go from there. You know what I mean if A good week and I make some money. I'd take some back and money. Management is a lot better. Now that was you know. Twenty years ago you one would hope read. I mean that's part of the development exactly otherwise if you keep losing money you're not doing this for a long on tell me about it. Do you have an opinion on the The Belmont Distance Change from yesterday Yeah I mean you know as a as an old school guy. I'm Kinda you know. Bothers me a little bit because now no matter what I don't care who wins and what the triple craft somebody. There's gotta be an actress next to it it's you know. I'm I'm not happy about it but listen it a times the deal we gotta deal with and you know we move on. It'll you know it is what it is. It's not the end of the world. You know what I mean it's You know we had A. We had to figure something what I'm GonNa do. You know what I mean any Any favorite Belmont for you coming up Stakes in your lifetime. I guess well Pitas believe it or not is as hit so many Belmont stakes winners or the years that out. For some reason he knows how to handicap a mile and a half free. I'm I'm different. I have difficulty handicapping a mile and a half race Because the ones that normally were on the regular mouth Melanie this then. They are nowhere mile at a mile and a half. So I really haven't done well over the I could think of maybe You know co OP favorites. I the triple crown that that was easy. But I'm trying to think of some real long shots and I really haven't been great Agree Belmont stakes guy. I mean I love love the race and I'll always try to beat the favourite of anybody knows me knows I'm a value player and So I haven't really I haven't really done that well. with it's I noticed for me in general my opinions on extended distance races whether it's a mile and half on the turf or what have you whenever all of the horses are making jumps up and distance. I just I seem to be horrendous at those. And I don't know if it's because I'm just not a breeding player or weapon. I just seem to have very little. For how those races are going to shape up and how they end up running. Yeah no I agree with you. I'm the same way I get. I'm I'm lost when it goes to to those long distances But Peters taught me over the years to to start looking at it and I've been doing better at it In a mile and a half freezes you. GotTa look for grinders. Wasn't that a stay close to the pace and they'll just grind and never they might not want to know the race in the rest of their career but they in there they could run in those mile and a half races and I. You know I've been bet a lot better at it. Oh you know since. He's taught me out of how to look at the race instead of looking at it as you know how come this is in closing. Just I'm amount amount after wordings on when they get them amount of any. There's not much closing wasn't the top in the front. So well that's the thing I feel like in the last sixteen every so often in the in the Belmont and the the Brooklyn and those kind of racist like that lasts sixteenth. Ones that are doing the grinding. They end up kind of pulling away some horses just flat out you know. They hit the boards and they're just competitive. There's their last right nonstop. I've been looking at the Derby this year. Only because we I like wasn't pita came up with him last week and we were looking at him and I again anybody that knows me knows. I don't take the favorites and I've tried to beat the favorites. And then you know a lot of times. It costs me money but You know putting on the dial the law and you know Shot Charlton the side There's a horse that and he's at the bottom it's The fierce while he ran third. I think in that last rates and get the doll and We had we had a big win bet on them and I thought he was going to look like he was. He was sixty two where he looked. He looked to me down the backstretch he was kind of a perfect spot he was just going and when he swung when he's hung out turning for home. I thought he was. I thought he was going to get a nice win. And place bet on them and you know just do it but I said you know what his horse that when you know and again. I blamed it on the race track was like I always do. You know it's a speed track and I have a horse. That's fighting the the the the The bias he's a closer on attracting. You gotta be in the front and I said to myself if this Churchill now that race was at Churchill that was the with a one easy probably would have won by three or four months of dollars. He was in perfect position. And that's what's good about Churchill. It's fat track if you know if there's a lot of speed as somebody could close and there's not much the speed what's GonNa win so I can't wait for the Derby. Actually the first Saturday in September has for the lead the prospect of Saratoga. The it sounds like they're pointing towards running there. It sounds like they haven't really fully decided on whether or not they're going to let fans stuff in what was the last summer you didn't go to Saratoga. Oh my God It's gotta be nineteen I would probably say maybe nineteen ninety or ninety. One was last time. I I wasn't there from ninety two Juan. I haven't missed the Saratoga me. I've been there and and and I'm close with Peter at Junior. Who's The you know Vice President of median at the team at the breed. Come he Because of me you know me and Peter got so many connections that You know we get a chance to write his Kotel so to speak. So we've been going for for a Lotta years in It's been great I I. It's the most amazing place in the world to me. I I got to go for the first time last year on the opening weekend Sunday and honestly I was expecting it not to live up to the hype just because everybody talks so incredibly about it and I thought it really lived up to it Do you do you have some usual Sarah Traditions when you go up there? Oh yes we There's a well you have the house right next to Sierras. Which is legitimate across the street. You could just walk to racetrack. You know it's like maybe twenty odds away But before the day starts we go to the grilled cheese place Right up the block and we get a grilled cheese burger and You know in the early in the morning we we go with Bruno de o'clock we go watch him do his thing with clock in the horses early in the morning And we stayed a big red spring. We've been there forever. As long as I can remember. We always sit by the big red spring. And the it's great where you of shorts a t-shirt you got you raise some womb and That's it that's what we do it. I mean I can't some of the reasons we watch attract but most of them were in the backyard and watching TV and doing I'll weapon and yelling and screaming and we have a crew of guys the purple gang and a few other guys that we hang out with and We have a bowl. We love it. It's great I imagine hanging with the clockers stuff because the two year old races. There you kind of have to you gotta you gotTa know something to be on those because there's times there's sometimes when a twelve to one morning line shot from a random barn opened up at to five and you know you're screwed because everybody else knows you don't right that's why that's the only reason and I love Bruno but I as far as handicapper. I do my own work but when it comes to two year old. He's the man I I. I definitely listen to them and I with them and talk stuff because You need to have some of those two year old races. You're right. Lee Davis joining us here. How'd you first get into horse racing? Lee Well Let's see I was thirteen. Years old my grandfather took me to ot be in. Staten Island. And I walked into the OT. And I was like I fell in. Love the action this cigar smoke the cigarette smoke all everybody curtain the L. And a whole bunch of guys yelling screaming and I was like what the heck is this place and then I fell in love with the atmosphere and then little by little. I learned how to read a racing form and you know spot just like anybody else and and that was my first experience. I remember I bet Angel Cordero was it. He was five to to the name of the Horse was no air and he won seven dollars. My grandfather was a big that he was you know he was one of those guys. As long as there was a blinking light. He would make a Bet. Four hundred five hundred. The win he was a guy didn't even need to raise some form but I try to like talk him Talk to offer the chalk after as I get older. What's what's the best pizza in? Staten Island because I when I was a moment last year but he told me Staten Island was like low key. The one of the best areas to get pizza phenomenal pizza. There's so many there's There's a place called Mona Lisa. Make us a like a square pie. they call it. The New York's lights it's delicious Brothers Pizza has one of the best regular traditional Sicilian there. There is Least having makes Bob Hi Fry Gama was light on TAP. Can't beat it And then he knows in Joel Pats. I mean there's one what if any other we're we're with flush with the pizza place. I mean being Jersey even I I was just shocked even the little strip mall joints that you over here on the west coast are always horrible. Would BE AMAZING. Handmade handmade stuff on the horse player show. And you've mentioned Peter Senior few times you were Kinda part of team Rotunda and I remember an interview that I saw. You guys said you guys met during a Wall Street job interview is that right. That's that's correct. I was I just thought it on Wall Street. I was working for a company and I was looking to make a move to get more money and I said you know what? Let me go for this interview. guy to a friend of mine told me you know we'll see this guy you like me to go guy whatever. I walk in the room. There's horse racing pictures all over the place You know I and I go. This is before even said a word. I said this is the place where I WANNA work. So we start talking next thing you know. The interview goes about an hour and it was like love at first sight for the both of us You know it's so to speak and I said He goes how much you want. You know to work and I was making like thirty or forty thousand at the time I said let me. I took a shot. I said. Eighty thousand he goes got. It can start on Monday off. I should have said he goes. I never would've gave you archer but that's how you know and we've been together ever since I I'm not even kidding. Ever since that first day we've been together ever since it's You know a great real great friendship. I A buddy who was a trainer and he went to work For one of his owners like he kinda got out of the training game and he told me that within like three weeks they were playing the races at work. You know thirty percent more than they were actually working. Was that ever the case for you guys or were you able to separate business and pleasure? Yeah well we a job. We traded foreign-exchange we would drop product stage brokers so. It was so busy at a cost of a day that there wasn't even time to even speak to each other. You know he was. The boss and I was working on the desk so I didn't seem during the day but if there were any lows in the action I would go right into his office in. Go what are you doing? And I'm a I'm a handicap the you know inserted Akwa Duck or The v Belmont or whatever it was and he goes you WanNa upon them and they go. Yeah and more than than I can't even tell you how many times we pay five thousand trip of six thousand. He'd come up prices and I'd be like Oh my God. It was amazing so we had a lot of. We had a lot of fun and people will be laughing. Because they're working and yelling and screaming whipping and Watson's like You know what? Are these guys doing But it was fun. We used to take the customers that attract and take them to To meadowlands when they had the the flats at the meadowlands So yeah it was. It was horse racing every day of my life but work was work. We you know we had to do what we gotta do. But that's why we did you know we made a lot of money. We did so well so it was fun. I know I've talked to a number of guys. Who Have you know Wall Street type jobs and it does seem like there is a fair bit of overlap between Wall Street and racing is just Kinda the analytical nature of it or? Is it just a lot of guys? They're like the racist just about action. Yeah I think walk me phonics shading you know your inaction. Everything's a gamble you take physician. Nobody really knows which way it's going to go. So my point is action so you and the handicap just like they would end up rates auto reason. It's going to go up because it is so and then there's no better feeling when you handicap anything and you're right you a walk on water like you have a race. It runs the way you knocked it out in your head and it comes out that way. You never think you're gonNA lose a race. Ever you know what I mean. So there is overlap so Wall Street and and Rates definitely has your handicapping and stuff. Because obviously there's been advancements in technology and in a formulator so there's all sorts of new. You know stuff is your handicapping process. Basically the same as as it has been since you started or have you not at all not at all. Yeah no it's changed multiple times over overall. You know the course of thirty thirty years forty years whatever it is you know it's changed so many times I've I've learned a lot of things on my own and I follow certain patterns and I have certain gimmicks that I follow. The pita thinks. I'm crazy you know he'll say you're out of your mind and he told you sound like you're not be guys you you know you can't talk and it works for me and again. I'm always into value so you can't argue with somebody when they're talking about horse that's twenty two one thirty two one because if you talk to them off that. Horse not win badge. You're gonNA feel terrible so I learned you know if somebody gives me a watson it's priced. I don't turn around and go shot. I don't do you. You WanNa give me a six to five eighth divided. I'll give you the reasons why I think the horse could be. That's different but you know I have the I'm crazy gimmicks I'll even mentioned a few To there's actually the seventh race Tampa I like first. Time phillies like horses. The phillies that run for the first time. I don't like colts. That run for the first time I won't even vehicles that runs and it. Can they win? Yeah they do but I feel that phillies run better first time colts do so what? I'll look for first time Philly and in seventh races actually Was is one of the losses. I Like I think the horse. Yeah the EIDOS is the first time Philly. I'M GONNA put them in my gimmicks and again and I have a lot of gimmicks certain races these cheap races. They run for ten thousand eighty five hundred. If you think you're gonNA handicap and that formidable regime nuts you gotta be out of your mind you gotta come up with some kind of gimmicks and you got and what is the in those races you'll get prices Blinkers office and other one. I Love I. Don't bet blink. I ONLY BLINK OFF. And especially if it's a real blinking. Software was has been running with blinking. Like you know ten races. Whatever and there's only a taking blinkers off one hundred one. I'm that lead is joining us for another moment here. I always love to ask course players kind of what their favorite or best score was and maybe they're sick is beaten any that come to mind. No my God well I'll go it A couple of my. That's where we have picked six. I was always part as with somebody so I was on. Pto PD Julia You know my friend Joey would have and I had a couple of pick sixes with the one. I hit In nineteen ninety eight when we were we went to Atlantic city. I don't know if you saw my My What do you call it America's best racing The me what. When did I fall in love with horse racing it was? I explain that day But we won thirty five thousand that day I bet multiples big scores But I had some beat deadbeats that forget about the cost. Hundreds of thousands like did crazy crazy ones. Then I mean I can't think off the top of my head I mean they can but I will thing but but I've had some good schools Breeders Cup I always seem to have some big scores and it and it seems to be because you could bet whatever you want. So when you're when you love a Horse. And He Doug He's running for twenty five hundred twenty thousand and you didn't want about five hundred on he's going to be. You know two to five three to five but when you went to rediscover here at the Derby those where you can bet whatever you want. And you can't change yachts and so I've gotten some had some big scores on Breeders Cup days Last year billy batts was fifty to one. Hit the exact so. I made a big score in that race It was one of the The four wheel drive right the TURF. I you know and And again that was. He was a blink off and I and that's again a lot of my scores from gimmicks. I you know I'll handicap the race and then I'll see you know I'm putting this source in a fifty to one he's GonNa. They're doing something different with him. And I'm taking a shot and I'm always looking for value because it's not about how many races you win. People FIGHT WITH ME ON TWITTER. And you know if you like a horse at five to one. What's different to be street to five? I have no interest in. There is a defunct when it's mattis how much money. I mean if the horse is five. And he's got a win at every five is for five times if he's three to five he's got a winner. Sixty percent of the people don't realize that you wouldn't five races in a row and you're still lose money and now that I'm playing tournaments even see them more because I could have a day where I go you know. Five hundred ten and guy goes one for ten but he has the bus a beat me and and you know and you're out so you gotta you know you got to make money. You GotTa pick the prices you can't. You can't be mad if the favorite win that'd be made you know because they're going to win three times out of ten they're GONNA win. That's I always say you'RE GONNA lose this game. You better get used to it and you want to lose at the right time. You don't WanNa lose when the thirty on you like wins like you said so. We really appreciate you joining us. Folks want to find you on twitter. You're Lee Davis Three. Oh three thanks so much you gotTa Jason Take Care All right. We'll be right back after a short time. Addison Jason be marsh racing podcast brought to you by twin spires. The Jason Venhorst worst racing podcast brought to you by twin spires. Is Your home for daily thoroughbred horse racing conversation join host Jason? Being has he discusses racing from around the country interviews jockeys trainers media personality and horse players every Monday through Friday. The show can be found at twin spires dot com or on I tunes spreaker Stitcher or wherever you get your podcast from the Jason Beam Racing. Podcast brought to you by twin spires. This is the Jason Beam horseracing. Podcast brought to you by spires. Thanks to David. Hope you guys enjoyed that. It was fun I enjoyed talking to leave. I was love a guy answers the phone for an interview. And you can just tell these in a good mood needs excited to talk. It just makes me happy. Makes me me as an interview or know that the next fifteen twenty-five minutes are going to be a good time so thanks to Lee For joining us. And thank you to you guys for listening. I should mention that is Memorial Day. I'm going to take the day off and so there will be no show on Monday. Probably will do a another Saturday. Gulfstream preview show. So you will have the extra show On Friday afternoon and Saturday I gotTa admit I'm floored by the number of downloads. Those episodes get so thank you so much for. Who's tuning into those? I really figured it would be you know. Twenty or thirty percent of normal show and it's like ninety percent of what a normal show gets eighty but still a happy to do them. Because like I said to me they're fund and gets gets me able to handicap a little more and hopefully provide some interesting insights into the the racist there but as I said next week will be a four day week with the holiday and had idea. I'M GONNA pitch to a couple of friends who have both been on the show before but they were having a conversation on twitter that I think would be interesting to have as a little bit of a discussion roundtable. Probably for a horse player Thursday next week or the week after that I will have to check with them. So but if you have guessed you'd like to hear from by all means email Jason Charles Beam at g mail dot com the best way to get hold of me but we still got one more regular show to do this week. And we're going to have them Jerry boys tomorrow. We'll talk about some of the stakes events coming up at Churchill on his five of them. Each of the guys is going to do one and then I'll talk about the other two as part of the weekend preview addition to the show. And we'll get you into the weekend or your weekend. Maybe every day weekend right now I know it is for some people and those of you who are not able to work right now. I hope you guys are all staying. I mean I hope everybody's staying okay. This is it's still weird times. It definitely feels like you know an ease in transition is happening but you know still still Still tough out there for a lot of folks so hope you guys are all doing good And we will see you back tomorrow.

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Dr. Devra Lee Davis 5-10-20

CATS Roundtable

10:39 min | 1 year ago

Dr. Devra Lee Davis 5-10-20

"Good Morning America. This is the cat's table chunk. Tv's here Sunday morning. Well we got attacked by the virus. Maybe the Hornets are coming. Who knows what other environmental issues are there around us back hurt. Our families are hurt us. What is this morning is not the Deborah Davis? She is president of the environmental health. Trust a nonprofit organization focusing on health issues and your environment. Good morning how are you? Thank you John. Delighted to be with you. Tell US exactly what your biggest concerns are with. What's going on around us right now? Well I'm very concerned about all the time. The children are spending indoors on their computers. Because they have to do that. In order to stay up with their schooling. We know that the kids aren't necessarily going to learn through that as much as they would with direct contact with teachers particularly for elementary school and especially for science based courses but I'm concerned about the exposures that they're getting to electromagnetic field from their devices because most parents are not aware that the IPAD and the cell phone are two way microwave radios and microwave radiation. Although it's very weak from these devices the pulse signals can have profound biological effects. And we need to do a better job of communicating why and how people can reduce exposures. We have that information on our website at E. H. Trust Dot Org and we're trying to promote awareness with teachers and parents about the simple things you can do to reduce your exposure but a new exposure is looming and that is five G. Five t doesn't exist in many places yet but because the infrastructure has to be built and because the signals don't travel far you will need a new antenna about every hundred yards. I understand that's a lot of antennas and on our discussion that you say that some of the cities of proposing almost amendment domain where I heard that they putting a palm trees and building a China's into the palm trees. So people don't know that's exactly right you can you can. Actually there's a whole business of disguising antennas. You can put them in Bob's big boys. Mcdonald's signs palm trees pine trees etc. But the fact of the matter is you can hide. The antennas cannot do away with the radiation that they are admitting. And it's not justify radiation we're concerned about but for five G. to work you have to have five device so for now wherever those new antennas will be. They will be using three G. and four G. and those earlier frequencies which is what powers your phone and your laptop right now have been shown to cause cancer to damage sperm to reduce memory in in children and those studies all of which can be found on our website have been peer reviewed and have clearly established that this other forms of radiation on which we currently rely those forms of Radiation. Our health damaging. We know that now the problem is we've become so leap totally dependent on the technology so the first step we have to take is to wire our systems at home where we can and it's very easy to do by the way. Just get an Ethernet cable plug it into your router and plug it indirectly and it's not that hard again information on all of that is on our website at H. Trust Dot Org. We are not anti technology recently pro health and I think people have a right to know if they're having trouble sleeping if they're having trouble with their memory. Try using less of your device. Try Not using your device for an hour before bedtime. Make sure you sleep in the dark because with no lights and no devices nearby and certainly not allow children to sleep with their phones or have their APP. Top of their I bet fall on their comey discussion. The other thing we talked about is in some of the city's Lloyd's of London has refused to ensure ensure those kinds of things. Tell us about that. Well in fact there's a number of cities that have been told. They have no choice but that they must Allow these powers but in fact the city has every right to ask the cell tower companies to provide proof that they have insured against any problem. That could happen with the tower. And the reality is since nineteen ninety-seven Lloyd's of London. Swiss re the people to underwrite insurance for businesses have refused to cover any damage from electro magnetic fields under a general insurance exclusion and so if the cities are asked If the city's go to the companies that want to build these towers and say show US proof that you have insurance. They won't be able to do that. And so master. Licensing Agreements which are being accepted by these cities. What the cities can do is. They can require that proof of insurance and with the cell phone Towers companies Have been told is that electromagnetic fields are pollutant and damages will not be covered including under. At and T. Mobile Insurance. The explosion is for any loss caused by this charge. Dispersal seepage by gration release or escape of lecture magnetic fields so electromagnetic fields will not be covered and every cell phone company defines electromagnetic fields as pollutants and. These pollutants cannot be insured. So the city's can I say show us you have insurance and they won't be able to show it because in New York New Jersey. We have one big Equality Alpine Tower has all sorts of ten on it. And everybody knows that if you live would stone's throw that place If you have a house there you can get cancer so so are you saying that. Yeah now wait wait wait you know. I don't think of first of all the good news about cancer is. It's not a death sentence that we do have better therapies now. But what we can tell you. Is this studies that have been done where they take blood from people who live closer to towers as a pair as compared to those who further way have looked at biochemical markers in their blood again? This is peer reviewed and his five found chemical compounds that we know predict cancer risk as well as damage to the nervous system are more high levels of those chemical markers in people who live closer to cell towers now towers can be made operate in a different way and the allowable amount of emissions from our towers in the United States is much much higher than in Switzerland and other countries where they have more sophisticated rules and monitoring we have no monitoring at all of what's coming out of our towers not being monitored so we depend on them of course for cellphones but the whole issue of five G. is being rethought and that's why Swiss re wrote a report last year before covert which they said five. G. is off the leash meaning out of control and they will not cover any damages for it so with the telecom lawyers come in and they threatened to sue the city. If the city doesn't agree to permit the towers but the city can come back and say give us your insurance. And they and the city cannot be held liable if they deny a permit because of the failure of the company that show that they can ensure against jam now. What else got the public? Everything pandemic threats of course Actually done I'm doing research with people in China right now that I think people need to know about and that is that they have shown the effectiveness of taking vitamin C. prophylactically to prevent covert and to make it less serious. And let me tell you. One interesting anecdote. A family of four people was taking care of a fifth member who was ill. She turned out to have covert she ended up in the ICU. On ventilator as you may know in the early days of ventilation most people on ventilators died certainly in China. That was the case. Eighty New York eighty percent of the people on his side. Okay well we now understand why that happened. First of all they were using too much pressure. For the oxygen the lungs people with Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome. Which goes along with this? Which is what actually kills. People are not able to take such high pressure and so that is one of the reasons why so many people died but this family did the following because one member was very interested in nutritional things taking between one to six grams of vitamin C. A day with a with five thousand units of the and fifty milligrams of zinc right so it's vitamin C Zinc and e and had every member of her family. Who were helping to take care of the sick person who had covert. They know she has. She had covert alright cheese in the hospital. Either all adults. They don't live together but they all have been exposed through. They're taking care of their grandmother Davis at a time. But I tell you what happened. None of them got Cova. Did Not a single one of them got code and the grandmother who in high vitamin C High Vitamin B. And and so Stan Sunshine on the beach and a lot of the e lots of fruits and vegetables and keep your distance. Keep your distance. You got it John. Dr Deborah Davis. Thank you so much. And that's up again real soon. I look forward to it. Thank you so much. This is the Test Roundtable. Be Right back.

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 Freshwater part 2: the circumstantial evidence

Today in Focus

49:31 min | 2 months ago

Freshwater part 2: the circumstantial evidence

"Yesterday we told you about the freshwater five who found guilty of a conspiracy to import two hundred and fifty kilos of cocaine and was sentenced to a total of one hundred and four years in prison in this miniseries. We're asking whether there might be any doubt in that conviction whether they might be innocent today. In part two we look at the most persuasive evidence against them but made up the backbone of the prosecution case at trial. The case against the freshwater. Five is mostly a circumstantial one There are two types of evidence. That's direct evidence which is where someone literally sees you do the crime directly. There's one bit of that in this case. I'm we'll get into that later And then there's circumstantial evidence which is pretty much everything else. A circumstantial case is about putting together a lot of facts. That don't prove anything by themselves. But when you add them all up things start to point towards gill in the freshwater case. The judge explained this by way of an example. He said to the jewelry. Let's imagine your car is stolen. And the next day my fingerprint is on the steering wheel. You may think that means. I was the faith perhaps. Not but then you hear. There's a pitcher from speak camera placing your car in a particular location. Not long after it stolen and phone evidence to back up. The i was in the same place. Then you might have little difficulty. Including the i was indeed the because there. I am driving your stolen car just after stolen. You don't know me. what am i doing. The basic idea is all of. This cannot be explained as a coincidence in the freshwater case the jury looked at all of the circumstantial evidence in front of them as well as that. Warmbier of direct evidence said okay. That's enough for us. They convicted the man a majority verdict. Eleven to one just before the jury made out decision in the same summing up. The judge said this sometimes after a prominent trial you have the media. He meant people like me afterwards suggesting that the jury got it wrong and it always occurs to me at that point but this is an extremely arrogant statement to make if nothing else because there would be nobody who would've listened more carefully to the evidence than you twelve and of course he's right. I've spent a lot of time looking at this case now but the jury was actually there. and juries. don't tend to convict people unless they've seen some pretty persuasive evidence so in this episode. I'm really going to try my best to put myself in their shoes to try to understand why they might have convicted the freshwater five based on what was put in front of them and to really dig into this evidence presented at trial. That was the backbone of the case from the guardian. I'm initiator astana today. In focus freshwater party. The circumstantial evidence like i said in the first episode. We wanted to speak to the crown prosecution service for this series so they could take us through their case themselves but they said they couldn't speak to us in the run up to the appeal. The same goes for the national crime agency. The successor to the serious organized crime agency sock official. So we've piece together our best possible understanding of their case from the court transcripts that we've been able to say i'm by speaking to people who know how an investigation like this works. People like lee davis Davis i'm a retired detective. Chief inspector spent thirty years in essex place but spent a significant part of my service akande to specialist units. The most recent posting was on eastern region organized crime unit prior to that i was on the essex kent serious conduct for four years as head of covert intelligence. Ed what's it been like never read. I didn't enjoy my job. And i think there's not many people on that. So yeah fantastic. Career lee is a proper police. Detective straight out of central casting. He uses phrases like intelligence assets and bringing jobs to the conclusion you have much experience with drug trafficking and have you specifically were with soccer. Your soccer is now of course the national agency. But a lot of our operations were joint operations combined. Intelligence assets and we combine oppression assets to bring jobs to conclusion so drug trafficking was significant. Paul vile of our world. Lee wasn't involved in this case attal but he agreed to have a read into it for us and to give some context into how the police operation might have worked. So if you look self america historically will know it has been a major cocaine importation wrote into europe into a net for into the uk. They says why the prosecution story started at trial. The drugs they say may have come from south america possibly via brazil. Brazil is a whole. You've got really easy. Access to the north and the south atlantic for big vessels they will get into europe. One hit quite comfortably. The suggestion from the prosecution in our case was exactly that the came from brazil on a container ship. The judge pointed out that there was no evidence to substantiate. that suggestion. What we do know is that there was a big police operation on the isle of wight that weekend specifically looking for drugs coming through the english channel. It was called operation disorient again. We don't know the specifics but we know that it was led by the serious organized crime agency. I'm just gonna call them soccer from now on. It involves several soccer offices and extra bodies from the local police force it also involved a specialist. Uk border agency cutter and the surveillance aircraft. According to lay they must have had some prior intelligence to justify all that well you know. We don't deploy at that level unless we have an intelligence case that justifies. We've went on operations where we have had aerial support. And that is no easy to achieve. So you have to be working at certain level in terms of the seriousness fiercely. And secondly you have to be able to present a case that puts you above the other demand for those aerial assets at any given time. Now i think it's important for us to reiterate at this point that from the trial documents. I've seen the jewelry were given very little detail about any prior intelligence. What we do know is the were at least ten container ships from brazil in the english channel that ny and the police became particularly interested in the orion a point. Another thing we were told is that there was no specific intelligence in advance on the freshwater five as individuals. They became suspects at say on the weekend in question After setting the seed the next thing the judge does in his summing is go through the case chronologically so that roughly is what we're going to day now. The judge reminds jury that he's not summarizing the whole case obviously neither am i. There isn't room in this podcast for me to tell you about every single part of either the defense or the prosecution case. But i'm going to do my best to give you what i understand as the strongest and most central part the judge starts with sandra switch the guy from montenegro who loves dogs. Who jamie says he ends up. Hiring is cray at trial zahran. Said he didn't have a job back home so he would sometimes travel to wealthier european countries to find work and send money back. Zoran says that he met somebody who knew somebody else who could find him. Casual work in england on the twenty seventh of may. He arrived in london. Montenegrins don't have the right to work in the ear and zahran had previously been deported from germany for working illegally which he said at trial explains why. He traveled under a false name with a false passport. Not long. After arrived he met up with. Somebody called daniel check. Here's emily bolton who now represents all the freshwater five including around so what we've been told is that when are in front Turned up in london. He'd been given the number of someone he could contact about getting work site. It's quite common in the illegal working. Arena that thera- fixes. There are people who will help People come to this country from somewhere else. Find work say zarin had been given a number. He contacted that person. And that person Deejay don daniel. Dj zoran says. Do jack found him a hotel to stay in. And then the following morning said he found him a job on a fishing boat. He said the whatever the job was he would take it because it was not really much of a position to do any differently. Dujarric picked him up and along with another guy called at austin. They made their way to the ferry terminal imports. Were ready to go over to the white. The defense case at trial was basically. Do jack was escorting zora on the isle of wight to make sure he got there all right and that jamie was going to pay him properly and austin was just doing the driving now. According to the prosecution there was something very different taking place at trial. They say the austin and digit a part of the conspiracy and they were delivering zora to the isle of wight so he could oversee the collection of drugs and make sure they get back to the organized. Crime groups safely. Austin was eventually convicted separately. Mostly on the same evidence heard at the freshwater trial. Do jack was never found these. Two guys austin and do jack a moving in. Why would say look like dodgy. Circles austin appears to be under surveillance on. The mainland and digit has links to people with drug offence convictions. But the judge in the trial said there was no suggestion that these men in this case had any involvement in that own would have been aware of it so zahran is meeting with these two men and taking him to portsmouth ready to get the ferry to the isle of wight. I asked emily about this. Zoran had come over to the isle of white two people. He with him cells connected to drug offenses. That doesn't look good for him. Does it no. And i think that's why the police were were so interested in its it but if you think about it you said it's a chain of connections it's also A series of ben diagrams so people who are involved in drug smuggling may also be involved in people trafficking may also be involved in hooking illegal immigrants off with work and he has absolutely consistently maintained that he came over here to work. He was doing illegally. He used to host possible. He hooked into that world in order to access the work through this phone number that he been given and Got the hookup. He needed to to go to the isle of wight so in other words. Emily saying these guys might be talking to people involved in drugs but the sort of people who do that are also the sorts of people who may also get involved in fixing illegal work for migrants. She says that doesn't mean zahran is part of a drug conspiracy zoran digit can austin drive to portsmouth. And that they meet john berg scaffold. The prosecution said was the liaison between the organized. crime group. And the fisherman. You remember from last time. John says he had agreed to pick up. Zahran as a favor to jamie and that jamie was expecting zoran. He's somebody in a pub. Who said he could get him foreign crew members to work on the gallois out at trial. John said that he wasn't told about anybody other than zahran and was surprised when three people were waiting for him imports portsmouth. John was wearing his top with his telephone number on The defense argued that this wouldn't be particularly wise thing to do if you're about to take part in a drug smuggling conspiracy. Anyway they on the craft and make their way to the white any of this month me. Josh decided to retrace their route. It's pretty early in the morning. Just getting lie but it's still quite dog. Just standing on the top deck of the ferry can see the water down below and ahead. I can see the lights of fish board which is the town on the isle of wight which experise going to arrive men gonna drive to newport just like joel embiid zora and austin and do back in may twenty ten while we were in the aisle of why we wanted to ask emily. What the defense response was to part of the prosecution's case. We arrive on the island and make our way to the first significant stop on our tour of the case against the man so it still is phones. yep phones. va don't tell me. I'm not taking you to glamorous locations in this story you can still see the kind of red banner across the top of the us sign but the building is long gone. So if kind of reminds you how long ago all of this happened business now. According to the prosecution's case at trial what happened here is very important so the came here. We know that two of them went into friends. Va and they bought phones for themselves and zoran and according to the prosecution they were burn dirty phones. They call them at trial phones. Bought just for the purpose of the drug smuggling operation. Emily's explanation for this is similar to the one before these two guys people who are involved in criminality people like that by phones but should it be a surprise. It doesn't prove anything is any explanation for why they would have bought those phones so they i mean anybody involved in Placing illegal workers are in positions of work in this country. They're not going to use finances that are going to be traced back to them so as far as we understand Those what they call benefit the prosecution fezzet to the miss dirty phones. They used Just to keep some distance between the identity of the fixer The illegal worker. And what's going on. Emily also said the way. These bernie phones. We use doesn't really make sense for organiz drug smuggling operation for example. She says they call giambi multiple times on his ordinary phone number said in a criminal conspiracy using dirty fines. It's to keep distance between legitimate identities actually true identity and your criminal activity. There's more about these phones which will come too soon. John takes all of the men to a pub and they meet up with jamie. He says he's not expecting the others to be that either. The defense says they discuss pay. And then austin and do jake leave the island. Zoran goes to a hotel ready to go out on the gal out the next day there were a couple of points where i just want to pause and sense check something at this point. I was wondering. Is it weird. That have all the man who could be involved in something like this. It's these particular man. The prosecution case is that this was a well organized drug smuggling operation that involved. Fifty three million pounds worth of cocaine. And here was a lobster fisherman and a scaffold her what they entrust these people with a job like best. This is the point. Donna payne actually made to me rule. Kind of boys Why it's it's a rough go game fishing fishing. Getting drunk fight kind of guys had an up been delayed joe up. I'm like off in the nineties. But nothing to say i growth in case you want me i on why then. Why because i'm not that on the flip side of that highway can when he seventeen. Nineteen is a fath- strikes from smuggling tuned in fifty kilos. Cocaine all our lifestyle. Little broke will befall. We'll bronxville none of Holidays to vegas and driving. Fifty grand is unethical. Pulse face before offer ever. They checked all our finances and like they said if you call sparkling fifty million pounds. Donny is talking about a proceeds of crime investigation. Some forensic accountants looked at their finances and concluded the apart from watch and the money he had on him when he was arrested. None of the man had ever made a penny from criminal activity before in his summing up. The judge goes through the minor convictions. That if you are the manhat- i'm points out. That none of them had anything to do with drugs or dishonesty. And he says that this should actively factor in the men's favor for example. This is what he said about jamie all right. He drinks a beer fight severe but he does not seem to be dishonest man. Well perhaps we should be inclined to believe him. I thought that was interesting. So i asked layabouts at for you know if you could go both see anybody who has a solid knowledge say knows how to deal with those conditions knows how to handle it and would be would be of benefit to these organized crime groups and youth talking about really really sophisticated organized crime groups but these guys had no pastry linked to the trade as far as we can tell none of them had typically criminal lifestyles so would it be typical for people like them to be used in operation. Yes absolutely it would. So we use the term clean skins am what that means is the oh. Cg's will want to identify people who have minimal effort criminal. History i see is one of lee's police words. It's an acronym for all the crime grape. Because they know that those individuals will not attract below force. Forsman attention that individuals with criminal history will attract so clean skins are frequently used in drug activity careers. Fru apple fruit seaports orla to be involved in the collection of drugs and the movement of when they come to areas where lou infotainment unlikely to start interdiction up. You won't competent clean skins because there has to be a degree of capability On those clean skins at you want to utilize so and i'm not talking about these individuals specifically because i don't know them but but they would fit the profile of somebody that knows crime group with one of us because they are competent at what they do but they haven't got a mess note massive criminal history around them that were joel law enforcement attention against him these. Icg's will often pull somebody trusted to work alongside these clean skins In this case at a gentleman came from elsewhere and gives. the appearance. Haven't been parachuted into discrete official. Very much at the last minute Despite having the fact that he had limited if any fishing background. I asked emily about this whole thing and she had a very different take on that. Some people say well drug dealers. Drug importers tried to choose people who won't raise police suspicion to help them. In cases like this to actors career. This is a completely bizarre aspect of the case. Which is that jamie green at. The time that he was arrested was already under investigation by the police on on bail because of an allegation by another fisherman that he had stolen that person's lobster pots. This idea that that drug smuggling operations leap in otherwise innocent people. Yeah i've i've had that too. But i don't think jamie's that candidate He was under close scrutiny. At this time. And i think he would be the worst possible choice for a career of drugs of this valley. Anyway we're coming out of white back in the prosecution. Time-line it saturday. John's working on sculpting on the four other man jamie donnie. Scott and zoran are off to say so. The gallon set sail on the afternoon of the twenty ninth of may from The ponte nova there in yarmouth alba that that time was used by fishermen and she would have set out through all the other mood boats and out through the mouth of the harbor just where we can now see the cafe leaving but she would have set out through the mouth of the harbor and then turned out into the solent to head on up into the english channel. Storm that night and the idea of the man heading out in such bad weather was one of a number of issues that the prosecution used to cast doubt over whether this was a genuine fishing trip. I wanted to check these things out. But you might not be surprised to hear that. I don't have a lot of experience in lobster fishing on. I don't know what's normal for a twelve meter boat like the guard. So i spoke to a couple of men who would offer niki cole. Crab fishermen in cushion. So it's going teen. We work in weather up to about four all about fourth which is about twenty two twenty four hour on after Very rarely on chill treville fishermen for her nearly fifty years. What the west by the now in northwest ten but i did have a twelve either vote. Then nineteen ninety seven ninety eight and you could go out and fish in that weather. Dogfish i stop. It was divide about now should gone are it might go four to five. Maybe six or didn't expect it gnawing ten. We do know that it reached gale force. Eight that night back in may twenty ten but emily says that what is important. Is the weather before they went out. We've seen the met office shipping forecasts and the prediction. An hour before they left was five to seven with occasional eight so the gallois heads out into being this channel like we said in the previous episode. The defense case is that zora gets terribly seasick. Pretty soon into the trap. They say they tried to press on. Anyway i tried to do some lobster fishing. But it's hard because of both the weathe- i'm because they are a man down because zahran isn't doing anything other than vomiting. Martin suggested that this part of the story sounded pretty normal. You have to take an experience able or you'll never get people aboard about say they can say yes don't more to do this job Or just need thomas and practice to get me to to experience it on and they've already sick and have to bring them back. You see this on this lexus Statute discovery gail. I've been in your meal. I can do this. Soapstone lives and guile every four days later. She months citing the chair corners. Wanna go back. We know from the guy. Watts mission compute solex machine. That jamie was headed for the shipping lanes trial. Some of the prosecution's lines of questioning seem to suggest that they thought it was suspicious. That a fishing boat will go here all but the man said no. This is where the best fishing is. All fishermen agreed. Would you ever go to fishing. Shipping lanes not may know. Do people get your edge call. Severe risky vicious good. Anyway the prosecution says regardless the reason they were in the shipping lanes that particular night was not fishing. The reason they were there they say was to collect the drugs now. I'm not going to go into the fine detail of the three and a half minutes in which the prosecution says the drugs with flung from the oriane and picked up by the gallois out of the say. Because we're going to dedicate an entire episode that for now i'll say this at the original trial. Both sides agreed that the gallois crossed behind the path of the orion and that it slowed down. The defense said they would just mapping the sea floor and produced an image of what was underneath them at that moment and said it was clear that the guard was following the contours of the seabed. But the prosecution said no this slowing down. Is you scooping the drugs out of the say. Now i should say but no direct evidence was produced at trial that showed that the holders were picked up by the guy watt and the judge was clear that there was also no evidence to substantiate the drugs wherever on the oriane. That was the theory. The key thing that the prosecution relied on is circumstantial. Some phone calls made around the time but all of that was happening These coals in my reading of the case anyway. A one of the strongest pieces of evidence that the prosecution had at trial. The prosecution said that in the immediate run-up to the tracks of the two vessels crossing phone calls were made between the satellite phone on board the gal wide and the two phones purchased at phones view by austin and do jack. The phones that the prosecution said were burner phones. The prosecution said these calls with a crew of the gallois finding out exactly at what time and where the drugs had been thrown over the back of the oriane. The idea being austin and jack was somehow in communication with somebody on the orion. And then were passing this information onto the fishermen. Although as far as i can see nothing about any phone calls from austin and do jack to anybody on board the orion ever emerged at trial. Then after the god slows down there are more calls. The prosecution said at trial that this was jamie saying mccain safely on board we've succeeded. We've collected a suggestion that he totally denied. And you can say why. This looks bad for the man. No delays zoran coming over to the white with these two guys there now. Phone calls between them and the guard at around the time it slowing down in the wake of a container ship from brazil. I asked lee davis about these calls. They can be significant. In terms of evidence on land is far more control because you can make at specific locations at specific times c java in daylight and deal with it by woken up and have fiscal maids said out finance critical when you upright and it say it's a totally different based during the dark your in the cold there were so many factors that can influence your arrival time that you have to have some form some form of communications so as an investigator for me any phone calls that are made around that time out to say i'll get a ones would wanna be looking at and trying to understand the context of obviously we couldn't talk to jamie sarin about these calls as they are still in prison but we asked dan scott and neither of them could remember anything about them. Emily says the men's explanation. If this was at zoran was so sick. They were calling the people who were brought him to the isle of wight to say he wanted to leave the bow and those men were calling back and she said she wanted to show me something to put it all into context. So here's the galaxy more in the boatyard here at house Up on a scaffolding. And still she wanted us to say the gallois. I'm what it would have been like onboard. That night god is now in into dockyard rusting away. We have to ladders to get on board. How you high not good okay right. Well it's it's really eerie. It looks abandoned. A complete wrap hall and the whole thing is covered in tarpaulins so this really bright blue light all over us and we're in this kind of tiny little box which apparently can have this little microwave. It would have I think he conflict with from you can get into. Why would have driven the by. This is the wheelhouse. Joshi did not say challenge for distancing but he earned wheelhouse. Yeah of the wheel. Kids the excitement of the wheel. We get down to business while yes. There are a number of calls the the reason. Emily brought me onto the pay and the thing that she thinks wasn't appreciated at trial is how chaotic it would have been on board about moment. Jamie is in the whale house which has tiny windows and zahran is in like a little separate room attached to it but through a door. The sea is rough. These very close quarters but the skipper is very much focused on what's going on with all his equipment and keeping the boat Study what's going on behind him in this in the other room Is not where he focuses looking at the testimony from the trial You can see that. What jamie green describes is these calls coming in on the side fine Answering and then basically checking the phone behind him -cerned dresses lying prostrate with seasickness in this galley area with his feet towards the door and by sir chocking the phone which is on this really young extension out. First jamie's concerned is given the finders orrin Whether or not those phone calls every connected with anybody ever was actually communicate has not been proven that you what emily is saying is okay. These calls look really organized on paper but in reality in high seas and bad weather it was chaos so one thing though that i don't quite understand is they were kind of frontally making phone calls from phone. I have used to stop fighting. And i know that they are very hard to connect because zora masek really sick so sick. You have to get off the boat. Why did they then spend another seventeen hours out at sea. Wouldn't take him back. I'm afraid jamie fairly ruthless skipper. And he is not going back in if he's made the investment of coming back coming out that far spending diesel he needs to be out. There mapping the the flow so he has had crew members so sick on his notes that he has they've been airlifted off. He tells me He has had There have been instances where people have had injuries. You got caught by rolling poll on the deck or something like that where they just had to soldier on but you can see why tua jewelry calling frantically at twelve thirty five. Am for a cup. That's not for another seventeen hours. Does look quite strange. Given the event. Don't take the guy back. I mean if you ever doubt things when you when you're looking at this evidence we are not thinking that doesn't quite add up. I'm be sympathetic with juries view. This evidence this is. This is one of those areas where you think. Oh well what's the innocent explanation for this and you have to. You have to work out whether you believe it. But i certainly my understanding of of Based satellite phones and all say seasickness cut come on a bit since i started looking at this case so the phone calls were being attempted. I think it's very far from proven that these phone calls were connecting fat. Eddie period of time that would be Necessary for exchanging meaningful information later in the weekend according to them at trial there are a few more phone calls between the men including giambi and austin and dudek these phone calls between the two men and the gallois and also between them and jump bear form a central part of the case against the freshwater. Five and all of these calls are a great example of circumstantial evidence. Nobody knows what was sad but the prosecution case was basically. This can't be a coincidence. Drugs were later found. You headed out to a container ship. That had been three brazil. You may cause at that time to these guys who look suspicious and we know that in the end the jury convicted now. There are a few more time line that i wanna waste three. After the key moment where the drugs were supposed to have been scooped up by the gallois then stays safe quite a long time. It was accepted at trial but some lobster. Fishing seem to happen in this period. Emily things that this is a strange paw the prosecution's case so i mean this is really interesting and again when i was first looking at the cases was something i couldn't quite wrap my head around was eighth. You had hot goods on board. Save fifty three million pounds worth kane. I think he'd want to get them off your as quickly as possible. But that's not what happened. The gallois is then poodling about and again we can see from the track of her elects device exactly where she goes what. She's doing For i think around seventeen hours if indeed she be smuggling drugs she would have been pulling around with the drugs on board which is madness from a drug smuggling perspective. So you're saying if we're going to ditch the drugs. Why wouldn't they do in the dog. I don't know about you. But that's what i do. That's emily's opinion but anyway the prosecution says the gallois did keep the drugs on board for seventeen hours and then headed for freshwater bay and threw them all into the tied together. The prosecution says in the same way you would tied together a lobster pot over jamie green disagreed with that. Then we have the direct evidence to police officers up on the cliffs. Say they saw this happen. That's really important. I'm going to return to it next time. Emily argues that it would have been an odd decision to throw the drugs into the sea at that time and place. The weather by now was bright and sunny and it was a bank holiday weekend on the sunday. She said the area was a popular walking spot. And that the public might have been able to see what they were doing anyway. After freshwater bay the galwan had time it goes around a rock formation called the needles and then arrives back in yarmouth. It's home harbor coming up a nasty surprise back on dry land. The man gets off the bay and say they go their separate ways for a while for example. Donny told us he headed off to meet his girlfriend. Zahran waited in the car for left and then they headed back to the guy about an hour and a half later. They say to finish unloading when return. Three of them are arrested. All of the fishermen apart from start despite what the two police officers so on the clare soccer at this point don't seem to have any idea that the drugs will turn up in freshwater bay. They seem to think they're on. The watt so i think perhaps when they didn't find them in plain view on the dako in the crew accommodation the wheelhouse They've been had a good outlook down. One place they thought they might be in the video tank which is a huge chamber full of seawater on the boat. That's the via tank. Be careful where you step you. Don't wanna fall down that whether crab lobster would be put in water and kept their just chuck it in there and there is empty now. The fire brigade brought a fire engine to the harbour pump. All the water out the drugs went in there and they weren't anywhere else on the either they also came back with something called an itemize. Which is um sophisticated device which can detect traces of drugs and went right through the with that but found nothing however as we know the next morning the drugs were found by the random fisherman. We heard about right at the start and soccer pulled them out of the say. The drugs were in freshwater bay not too far from where the guy what had been the previous day. When the final thing judge went through in his summing up is the fact that the men tell some lies in the police interviews. The biggest one is that scott was never on the boat. That night remember. Scott wasn't arrested until months later According to danny pain and jamie said something similar at trial they lied to protect. scott said. we're not. We're caught a bush wanna drop score is nothing nothing happened. Nothing it found drugs on any of us know trunks on the boat no evidence of drugs on registering less than what you were lucky. Not get into that and that was it. Emily said that if they were lying for a different reason than zahran didn't get the memo. Now of course zoran had nice such compunction and immediately describing for people on the boat so again is as a criminal smuggling masterminds. This wasn't exactly a well. confected plan. If of concealing evidence there were other lies to for example. When scott was finally arrested he told the police he wasn't on the guard and he also told them that he didn't have his phone on him when he did. He said he lied because he was really scared. And john initially said he had no idea how zarin got the island at trial. He said something similar to scar. I i was scared. I'd say what happened to those who've been arrested and i decided to distance myself. It was a totally innocent contact. But i don't know why. I didn't tell the police that the prosecution did refer to some of the lies in their opening arguments so they must have thought they had significance but the judge in his summing up said this the mere fact that it offended tells ally is not in itself evidence of guilt because the defendant may lie for many reasons and they may possibly be innocent ones for example you can lie to protect someone or you can lie out of panic distress or confusion. The lies about mr birtwistle whistles. Presence on the boat told by mister green mister pain and by mr whistle himself maybe easily explained. It's a matter for you not for me. So that said like i said earlier there are a couple of bits. I've not gone into in detail because we're going to dedicate whole episodes to them and it's not every single bit of the case we'd need more than a podcast today that but it's my best attempt at a summary of the case against the man like i said at the start. It's largely based on circumstantial evidence as in single pieces of information that don't by themselves prove anything you've got zoran coming up with these two men. The prosecution says that bringing him to collect the drugs. The defense says they're involved in fixing illegal work. You've got the phones being bought. You've got the phone calls. The prosecution says they were to coordinate. The handover the defense. Says they're all to do is our. I'm being seasick You've got the two boats coming together. You've got the lies. And of course the fact that the drugs were indeed found the next day somewhere the gallois had been not one bit of that by itself would prove the case for the prosecution. Said look at it all together and give me an innocent explanation. This cannot be a coincidence. And they did in that one piece of direct evidence clifftop seeing coward. Throw the whole dole's over the side of that. I and after all that the jury found him guilty. It was an eleven to one verdict and having put myself in the jewelry shoes. I can certainly see what was persuasive. About the circumstantial evidence presented at the time. This was least take list. Taupe job if it's a long running probation we engage. Cps really early stage so that they lived the job with us so that they understand how we built a job out how we've got evidence in her. We've got material. So if my if i came to me and said we want to press ahead with this when i look at the circumstances united verifone use the individuals parachuted into the in today's individuals at the last minute with limited knowledge of fishing united clayton skin aspect of it the highly skilled areas. I'll be looking at saying we've got we've got a case that we need to present to the cps. Because i also know we'll build that case when we start doing our telephone analysis execture. We'll build that case even stronger. So i'm not saying these individuals gail is because i don't job enough detail to be at all i can say is. The jury has convicted him and they gunfire the appeals process so I'm not surprised that they were charged. And i guess the jury convicted him wouldn't suppose me either. Emily when you add up all of those facts are circumstantial. It does seem to paint a picture that would raise suspicions among jewelry. Yes and i think the jury found That evidence that we've just covered that was presented at trial very troubling the All of it is circumstance On all of it is evidence that the defendants have provided an account of want to place in that's an account that doesn't refrains smuggling drugs but rather is an account of an ordinary fishing voyage albeit with one very ill crema nba so one of one of the things. I think it's really important for people to remember. Is no one in england and wales goes to prison without better being some evidence of gilts. You know this is not a country in which people are dragged out with their beds in the middle of the night our their political enemies and and yet in jail so there is always going to be evidence of someone's guilt and that is that is what supposed to be tested in effect trial proceeding but what happened in this case is the preceding was imbalanced league. That was not enough. Access to the evidence said the evidence that was presented to the jury at all but we have just gone over That the guy would wuss out Inbetween the shipping lanes that night that she passed close to the msa. Oreo of a vessel that the Police had concerns were smuggling drugs up the channel and her presence in freshwater bay and her return to yarmouth that. That evidence is circumstantial but is simply. The guy is in the wrong place at the wrong time. You could say however There was another piece of evidence that was presented. All of two police officers. Who said they were on the cliff. Above where the guy was micro fishing now. If that evidence is tree the crew have to be ghost. He so when. I saw that i thought well. That's quite a strong piece of evidence you know. Maybe maybe we're barking up the wrong tree here but then we started to look into it. We started to look at the logs restarted. Look at the observations. We started to look at the amendments. We started to look at the movements of the offices. Concerned and a whole different picture began to emerge next time. How questions about. The eyewitness accounts from police drew emily into this. And on a journey that would eventually lead to unexpected new evidence. This series is produced by josh kelley with support on today's episode from alex attack. Sound design and original music is by axel kukuchi. the executive produces are phil may not aniko jackson. Do listen to part three tomorrow sunday.

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"Are you hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash podcast. That's indeed dot com slash podcast. Tonight breaking news as we come on the air. President Trump now plans to address the nation in prime time tomorrow over his demands for a border wall the government shutdown now in its seventeenth day. TSA workers calling in sick. And tonight the Pilots Association now saying this is affecting safety in the air and your tax returns in this shutdown news on that front coming in tonight as well also this evening after Kevin Spacey in court facing charge of felony indecent assault and battery after a former TD anchor tearfully described what she says happened to her son the major break in the case of a father camping with his two young daughters when he was murdered tonight. A suspect now charged in a thorny say he did far more the winter advisories for much of the northeast tonight ginger with the morning commute the entire family lost in a wrong way crash on their way home from their holiday vacation supreme court Justice, Ruth, Bader Ginsburg, missing arguments, the first time in more than twenty five. Five years. Terry Moran live with the court tonight and breaking news in the case that caused national outrage the young woman serving life for bird around the real estate agent when she was sixteen. She argued she was forced into sex tonight with the governor has just done after please from Kim Kardashian. And LeBron James this is ABC news tonight with David Muir. Videoing, and it's great to start another week with all of you at home. And we have a lot to cover tonight. We're going to begin with the government shutdown day seventeen now eight hundred thousand federal workers and their paychecks in the balance other workers will not get back pay and tonight, a growing number of TSA workers. Now calling in sick. And tonight the Pilots Association now saying the shutdown is threatening safety in the air late today. The president revealing now wants to deliver a prime time address from the Oval Office tomorrow night, calling it a national security crisis. But tonight, a key member of his team is asked about the number. They've been putting out they've been saying yearly four thousand known or suspected terrorists come into our country illegally. You'll see the fact check as it played out on Fox News. Our chief White House correspondent Jonathan Karl leading us off tonight tonight. President Trump is planning an all out PR blitz to make the case for his border wall. A primetime Oval Office address tomorrow and on Thursday a trip to the Mexican border. The White House insists the president is. Already made a big concession the barrier or the wall could be steel instead of concrete that helps me it may be better. But Democrats say they don't care what it's made of. It's not happening. Deal is an in morality. It's not who we are a nation. The president repeatedly promised Mexico would pay for the wall. Now, he's demanding five point seven billion dollars in tax payer money. Meanwhile, some eight hundred thousand federal workers are not being paid a shock. You Robinson is one of them. Ultimately at the end of the day. There's not a lot that I can do. I'm locked out of my job. I want to go to work. I want to do my job, and I've been prevented from doing that with TSA worker set to miss a paycheck on Friday. The agency is preparing for workers to call in sick. There's already been a slight increase TSA says though, it has had no impact on security. But tonight in a letter to the president the nation's largest pilot's union says the shutdown is adversely effecting, the safety security and efficiency of our national airspace system. President Trump says he can relate to furloughed workers struggling to pay bills with. Pay I can relate. And I'm sure that the people that are for the receiving end will make adjustments White House says they are trying to mitigate the impact announcing today that unlike past shutdowns IRS workers will be ordered to process tax refunds and the department of housing and urban development sent a letter to more than one thousand landlords urging them not to evict tenants. The president says the pain is worth it arguing there is a national security crisis at the southern border. But the White House has come under fire for exaggerating the threat, we know that roughly nearly four thousand known or suspected terrorists come into our country illegally. And we know that are most vulnerable point of entry is I know this statistic. I didn't know if you're gonna use it. But I studied up on this, do, you know, where those four thousand people come where they're captured airports, not always terrible certainly stage department says there hasn't been any terrorists that they found coming across. Air Thailand, and it's spicy. It's all of the above very contentious moment playing out on Sunday morning Giancarlo with us live tonight from the White House, and John as you just reported there the airline Pilots Association now sending that urgent letter to the White House to the president warning as you say that the shutdown is quote adversely affecting the safety of our national airspace. But they went even further John the pilot's union. You're saying that it is affecting the entire airspace system. David they say, for example, there are fewer safety inspectors on the job. And they are warning about the impact on the so-called, essential employees. That are required to go to work without pay their warning about the personal and financial stress on those employees David giancarl leading us off on the Monday night. John. Thank you. We're going to turn next tonight to actor Kevin Spacey surrounded by cameras as he arrived for court, and then tuck it charged with felony indecent assault and battery after a Boston TV anchor came forward more than a year ago describing what she says happened to her son ABC's Linsey Davis from Nantucket tonight. It was the much anticipated arrival. I think he wants actor Kevin Spacey wading through throngs of media and a crush of onlookers on his way into court charged with felony a decent assault and battery for allegedly groping then eighteen year old at an an tuck bar July of two thousand sixteen the two time. Oscar winner arrived in an tug it from Baltimore on a private jet shortly before his hearing his drive from the airport to court followed by helicopter, Spacey, exited the car and was swarmed immediately crowds gathering during what's typically, the quiet offseason on this Massachusetts island inside Spacey walked into a packed standing room only courtroom Spacey's legal team entered a not guilty plea on his behalf. The judge ordering the fifty nine year old actor to stay away from the alleged victim as they await trial. You'll you've required to stay away and have no contact director indirect with the with the alleged victim Spacey nodded, but did not speak during the brief hearing. This has been a long battle that began to unfolding late two thousand seven. Eighteen when in front of cameras warmer, Boston news anchor Heather Unruh said Spacey had assaulted her son. Kevin Spacey bought him drink after drink after drink. And when my son was drunk made Mehta's move and sexually assaulted him. I wanna make it clear. This was a criminal act Spacey's team has already begun their defense. Arguing in court last month that there is not sufficient evidence to charge the star and saying the alleged victim told Spacey he was twenty three years old, even though he was just eighteen ABC news obtained a recording of pretrial hearing during which Spacey's attorney questions the officer who took the testimony from the accuser. How? As long time to have a strange hands. I would while Spacey is hardly been seen publicly on Christmas Eve the very same day. He was charged Spacey broke his silence posting this unusual video online where he appears to defend himself while in character as Frank Underwood who he wants portrayed on house of cards. But you wouldn't believe the worst without evidence. Would you wouldn't rush to judgement without facts? Would you? Another hearing is set for March fourth Spacey does not have to appear if his alternately convicted he faces up to five years in prison. David Lee Davis. Thank you. We're gonna turn now to a break in the case that made national headlines of father and a camping trip with his two young daughters. When the father was murdered while the girls were sleeping in the tent tonight. A suspect is now in custody in California ABC's Qena Whitworth with how got him tonight. This man accused in the series of campgrounds shootings that killed a father of two young girls and terrorized city. Anthony Ruta under restraints and spit mask in court last month sentenced for a series of robberies police now connecting him to the shootings in Malibu creek state park. He's charged with ten counts of attempted murder and one of murder he had a gun on him at the time and the ability to be able to use that in June thirty five year old tristen bad debt was sleeping in his tent with his two young daughters when he was shot and killed in the middle of the night, his girls. Uninjured understand that daddy didn't wake up, and there was a lot of blood one day will Cup with the Nala loud noise. State of fear gripping the area and the two years, though, shootings took place. I just woke up to a stinging pain in my arm. I never used to think about humans as being part of the danger out there. David the campground here has been closed since that father's murder and it remained. So despite the fact that they have the suspect in custody router could face life in prison. If convicted David in California Qena, thank you were following that major storm that started in the west and now reaching all the way to the northeast tonight. It could be tricky commute in the morning snow halted traffic, and I eighty this is California's Sierra Nevada mountains right there triggered mudslides. Shut down part of the Pacific Coast Highway in manitowoc, Wisconsin this light tower Lake Michigan now washed away by enormous waves kicked up by this storm tonight as I mentioned with our weather advisories across the northeast chief meteorologist ginger Zee. Tracking it as it moves across the country ginger. Good evening. David good evening to you. We just got new numbers in that storm that took out the lighthouse and Wisconsin has dropped up to a foot of snow in northern Michigan. And now it's headed to the northeast look at all the winter weather advisories on the map from Pennsylvania right through most of New York up through Maine. You've got the chance of snow now. I don't think it's going to be a foot. Do I do think it will make the roads icy especially tomorrow morning and then again into Wednesday. So there are two rounds of this. It's going to be brisk. You're going to have some lake effect snow behind it keeping in mind that the mid week could be messy to let them go to the west because they've got more storms after that Rookus weaken. They had they got sixty mile per hour gusts tomorrow night into Wednesday and up to a couple of inches of rain, which they don't need at least as quickly as it falls. David. The conveyor belt continues originator. Thank you. We we've on tonight that we've been following the case of that seven year old girl in Houston killed in a drive-by shooting while riding in a car with her mother and her sisters and anonymous tip now leading to an arrest ABC's, Marcus more in Houston. Tonight. Eric black junior is being held without bond charged with murder in connection with the shooting death of seven year old jasmine bonds authorities originally investigating Jasmine's death as a possible hate crime. After Jasmine's family told them they saw red truck and this white male in a hoodie at the scene. But now thirty say that description was a case of mistaken identity. We believe now that that red truck, and the driver is most likely just a witness thanks to a tip. I shared with activists, Shaun king. Investigators now believe black and another suspect open fire Jasmine's families car mistakenly thinking it belonged to someone. They had gotten into a fight with at a club the night before it's incredibly tragic, I look forward to going and being able to pursue Justice on her behalf. Because no seven-year-old deserves this. I'm no family deserves this. And they've had prosecutors say they have recovered the nine millimeter handgun. They believe was used in the shooting at blacks home. Meantime, Jasmine's funeral is set for tomorrow, David, Marcus. Thank you. We're gonna turn. Next tonight to US troops in Syria. It was just two and a half weeks ago. The president had ice was defeated that US troops were coming home. After the president's words, the Pentagon gave the timeline for withdrawal thirty days. But tonight our troops coming home after all after the president's national security adviser said something very different. Here's ABC senior foreign correspondent, Ian panel. Now too nice. President Trump's national security advisor John Bolton on the will stage appearing to contradict the commander in chief about pulling American troops out of Syria. Just last month. President Trump claimed in a White House produced video this ISIS was defeated. An American troops would be coming home. We have one against ISIS. We've beaten them and we've beaten a badly we've taken back the land. And now it's time for our troops to come back home. The Pentagon initially saying the president's order would be carried out in thirty days the day after that surprise announcements Defense Secretary, Jim Mattis resigned. In protest. But now bulletin says that withdrawal will only happen if certain conditions met the protection of US allies in the region and the complete defeat of ISIS Bolton stressed that has now no timetable for the removal of the two thousand troops. And the president saying there was never a deadline. I never said we're doing it that quickly, but we're decimating ISIS pulling out of Syria, but we're doing it. And we won't be finally pulled out until this is done. And in panel joins us live tonight. You've often reported from Syria for us. And so this would seem to be different line tonight than the one we heard at the president's taped message and word from the Pentagon just a few weeks back. Yeah. That's right. These statements make it clear. The troops would not now be home with their not thirty day deadline, which was due to expire next week. Staying instead to five times says that could take months if not years David in panel with us tonight. Ian, thank you and a rare sight at the supreme court today oral arguments taking place without Justice Ruth, Bader Ginsburg for the first time in twenty five years on the high court as she now recovers from surgery to remove to cancerous lesions from her lung. Let's get right to Terry Moran is covered the court for years for us interior court spokesperson saying that Justice Ginsburg is working from home as the court. Here's new cases. That's right. David and chief Justice John Roberts began today's court session by noting Justice converge absence and saying that she will vote in these cases by reading the transcripts of the arguments ended up braces, other justices have done Justice Ginsburg, eighty five years old she has been recovering at home for about two weeks from that cancer surgery and from three broken ribs. She suffered earlier in the month is is as you say the first time she's ever missed oral arguments. But one. One son that she intends to continue full steam ahead. She's hired law clerks through the year twenty twenty David. All right. Terry Moran at the supreme court tonight. Everyone's wishing her. Well, thank you there. Still much more head on world news tonight. This Monday, breaking news in the case that caused national outrage the young woman serving life for murdering a real estate agent when she was sixteen. She argued she was forced into sex tonight with the governor has just done after pleas from Kim Kardashian. Lebron James and others the family five killed by a wrong way driver on the highway fiery crash as they were heading home from family vacation. And you probably saw it over the weekend to play football fans. Pauling the double doing the bears kicker missing the game winning field goal. But there was a big change today to change the outcome. But what the NFL is now decided more use it. Ahead. When it comes to hiring. You don't have time to waste you need help getting to your shortlist of qualified candidates fast. 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Senator riana Kim Kardashian and LeBron James or just a few who shared clips of her interviews in jail. She's about to get a bachelor's degree at this hearing. And may she explained why it was so necessary to change. It wasn't so much of a choice. But to. Her attorneys say there's a larger issue here about laws that allow juvenile's to be placed in adult prisons when they're just children, David. All right, Steve. Thanks very much to index of other news tonight. In an Uber driver surprise guilty plea for killing spree in Kalamazoo Michigan. Jason Dalton has now confessed murdering six victims in two thousand sixteen the Pleat coming against his attorney's advice. There was no deal from prosecutors. He faces life in prison to the family tragedy. Family five killed by a wrong way. Driver and your Lexington Kentucky eastern rim boss and their three children died in the crash on I seventy five police believe the other driver also kill was drunk at the time. 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Episode 150: 76th and Yates

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Episode 150: 76th and Yates

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The first day we met one another we've been France that very first day when we are waiting to get our classes I, spoke I we always talk about that that I said Hi will show name and at lunch time I went home with her and we've been fast friends ever since. You know over the years. Of course, we met other friends and they became very close to us to and to this day is like about five of US became very close. But Jackie was Kinda friend that I never would that had to be jealous of hardwood another friend because she never never not acknowledged who I was and how much she cared about me and. How much she loved me she was saying. I Love My I. Love Lasagna you know and with kissed me, you know I. Always. That was the thing she was a big kiss earn big hugger. The best friends for more than forty years and lived in the same apartment building. We made a decision even though I have a husband, we made a patch. Emergency put each other's names down and that's that's how you know. That's how we did it. On me two thousand Thirteen Lavonia noble king was home in Chicago when the doorbell rang. And i. went to the door and it was two gentlemen down here at long. Black Coats on. And they sat my name is said they need to speak to me well, I knew it was kind of a police authority some so I buzzed them in and when they came upstairs. Von You we need to speak to you as been a accident, a fatal accident. And at the time of them talking. When I looked at one of them he had he had like A. Like a soda but on top of the photo was Jackie's purse. And he was talking and I stopped him and say, why do you have Jackie's cars and he say Levine and I stopped. But I I said, why do you have my friends produce? Any Selah Vanya there's been an accident and I said, did she leave me and he said, yes, and I went up under the kitchen table. That's what he got me from. I Don I, just want undetectable. Voluble King was told that Jacqueline Reynolds had died while she was driving through the intersection of seventy six and each boulevard in Chicago she'd been hit and killed by police car. I was told that police came through. And when she got in the middle of the road, the police car hit her T. Bone. And kilter. Incident So you were told that the. The COP. Car that had hit jacqueline. was. Chasing someone or what what did they say? They said they were pursuing someone and that they you know that's when Jackie get hit. They were on a car that was. Headed, him. That's what they told us. According to Chicago Police the officers were chasing a twenty year old named Timothy Jones. Timothy Jones had just gotten home to Chicago from College at Lincoln University in Missouri where he played football and was studying to be an accountant. According to Timothy Jones on May seventh two, thousand, thirteen he went to the apartment of a man named Lee Davis. He testified that he and a friend had sold the Davis Credit, cards and that Lee Davis owed them seven thousand dollars. He'd gone to the apartment to collect dead. In Lee Davis asked him to come back the next day. So, the next day on May Eighth Timothy Jones and his friend went back to the apartment. Plan with on over. there. and. there. Saying that he had. He they have all. These a disagreement and Timothy Jones took a nike. shoebox an IPAD and an iphone he dropped his ID with realizing it. Lee Davis's girlfriend called the police. Probably. On five as coming out. What was your thought I? Mean I was your thought I better run. You know what happened immediately did you start running out? Did you get into a car? What was your? What was your first thought when you said that the police are coming? They are. To get. Away To get. Along together way. I think Timothy. Knew that will. Be From the south side of Chicago. Growing up in the environment that he grew up in it you know you you run from the police. Because, they don't they don't do any. They don't mean you any good. Attorney Keith Spence. You know he knew that. The police were called on him He knew that you know they did. You know go onto the apartment did run out the apartment they did have a pair of shoes with them. So you know I think that was enough to make him make him. Make, them run. A police officer named Ronald Pittman arrived on the scene and reported by radio that he had seen a man later identified, as Timothy, Jones fleeing the scene holding a gun. Did you have a weapon on you. Know Eleven at all. He said this from the beginning. He says he and his friend got into a car with a third man and drove away from the apartment. And he says they stopped when they hit a parked car. Officer PITMAN's police car was right behind them. In Timothy Says Officer Pittman pointed a gun at them. Timothy got out of the car with his hands up his friends Randall, way. Timothy. Got Back into the car into the driver's seat and drove away. Officer Pittman got back into his police car and followed Timothy. Did. You have a plan about where you were going to drive. Did you just say I'm going to get as far away from here as possible? Did you know what streets you were going to go up? I was in. China. Yet aside from. Like. Eventually, draft I. Guess you could say that but? At that moment I was just trying. From. Officer Pittman later said that he kept following the car because he believed Timothy Jones was armed. To other officers, officer James. And his partner officer Jairo Valeriano joined the pursuit in their police SUV. Officer civic check was. Driving. Timothy Drones Drove East on Seventy six street in cross the intersection at Yates Boulevard. He told us that the light was red and that he drove through it. The police officers were behind him on seventy six street. And then according to Timothy Jones, all of a sudden he looked around and the police weren't following him anymore. He says, he thought the chase was over and that he'd gotten away. He parked his car and started walking. A police officer approached him and asked him his name. Beside Timothy, Jones which matched the name on an ID police had found nearly Davis apartment. Timothy Jones says it wasn't until he got to the police station that he found out that he was being charged with murder. He didn't even know someone had died. I'm phoebe judge this is criminal We'll. Be Right. Back. Saputra criminal comes from ziprecruiter hiring can be challenging. The Monica stocks can relate she was having a hard time finding the right person for a job at her construction company. So, she switched Ziprecruiter Ziprecruiter senator the best candidate for her role round five minutes after she posted her job and she hired him the next day. With results like that. That's no wonder. 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Here's what he learned. About seven seconds after he ran the red light on seventy sixth street at yeats. The police SUV entered the intersection also reading. The red. Light. And hitting Jacqueline Reynolds, car killing her instantly. Because the police hidden killed Jacqueline Reynolds during their pursuit of Timothy Jones Timothy Jones was charged with her murder. So felony murder is one of the three. Basi's or theories of liability for murder in. American law. Law Professor or binder teaches at the University of Buffalo School of law one is is straightforward and familiar. You intentionally kill someone that's murder. Another form of murder is based on culpable risk taking. So if you cause someone's death recklessly very closely or recklessly for a very bad purpose. That's also murder in most states in most American jurisdictions. and. The third form of murder is murder in the course of crime and so if you. Cause death in the course of certain grievous felonies in most Americans states and in the federal system. That's murderer as well. Felony murder is distinctly American almost every other country that has had similar laws on the books as abolish them. But in America according to or a binder, forty, one states have some kind of felony murder rule in place part of what's happened to felony murder liability is that it has expanded over the course of its history. In large measure because our ideas about what it means to kill have expanded. Great. So. N, English law you know and in the early nineteenth century in the United States to kill meant that you attack somebody with a weapon and they died. Later, we began to think that killing just was sort of an old fashioned way of saying you caused a result you caused a harmful result, you cause death. And ideas about how you could cause a results expanded. So that, we you know we began to think about very long and elaborate causal chains. Under the felony murder rule someone can be convicted of murder even if they didn't intend to kill anyone. And even if they weren't behaving recklessly The prosecution only needs to show that the defendant participated in a felony that resulted in a death. Not, all felonies qualify the only ones that are categorized as dangerous or specified in statutes. In Timothy Jones's case, he was charged with home invasion, armed robbery, and residential burglary. All three are on the list for felony murder in Illinois. The Felony Murder Rule in Illinois where Timothy Jones was charged is one of the broadest reaching in the country. And it includes a feature that many other states do not. A feature of felony murder liability. That's very controversial. Is the idea that if you participate in the felony, even if you're not the person who actually kills another person. You can be liable. So. Even though it was police officers James Civic check, and higher ovarian. Oh. By Jacqueline Reynolds car. Timothy was charged with her murder. If Timothy had been charged in a different state, this might not have been the case. We looked at all sorts of cases, a felony murder from all over the country. Just last year in Illinois men claimed he saw a group of six teenagers attempting to break into his car. He shot and killed one of them a fourteen year old. But then under the felony murder rule, the other five teenagers were charged with the murder of their friend. The man who actually shot the gun was not charged. Ultimately, the murder charges against the teenagers were dropped amid pressure from civil rights groups. In two, thousand, one, a man in Oklahoma gave his thirteen year old sister alita vodka. She shared it with her friends one of whom died from alcohol poisoning. The man was convicted of felony murder. And in New York in the nineteen eighty S, there's story of one man breaking into another man's house. The homeowner had a gun and told the intruder to get on the ground. After the police arrived, the homeowner had a heart attack and died. The prosecution argued that the stress of the attempted burglary caused the heart attack. So we have expansive rules of causation, and then we have expansive rules of accomplice liability. So if you? intentionally A. Or? or encourage a crime responsible for that crime. But what most jurisdictions do is they say, if you intentionally eight or encourage the underlying crime, the robbery or the rape or the person. You are. Liable. For. Any death that's foreseeable as a consequence of that. There's a famous case from Florida in two, thousand and three. One day early in the morning, a twenty year old man named Ryan Hawley loaned his car to a friend. He'd been late the night before drinking men reportedly heard his friend talking about stealing a safe from a man who sold drugs. Holly leader said he was drunk and tired and didn't know if his friend was serious you went to bed. His friend along with three others drove hollies, card the house where they're going to the safe. During the burglary, one of those four men beat a young woman to death with shotgun. Holly was at home when the crime was committed. But because it allegedly heard his friend planning the burglary and given him his car keys. Anyway he was convicted under the felony murder rule and sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. It Holly's trial in two, thousand, four, the prosecutor said. No car no crime no car. No murder. Gear a binder says there are cases where the felony murder rule intuitively makes sense. For example, if someone intentionally set fire to a building to collect insurance money and people in surrounding buildings died because of that fire. People in favor of the felony murder doctrine including some victims rights advocates argue that people who choose to commit dangerous crimes know that it's a possibility that innocent people could die. In the harsh punishment axe kind of deterrent. I. Mean it's a it's a it's a lot. Get your head around me. To think about. Being found criminally liable for the death of someone you may never have lead your eyes on and that their death actually if sir little circumstances had gone a million different ways or one different way, this would not be the case in the in the case of Timothy Jones if the COP had. been looking up not driving so fast had changed lanes XYZ. It certainly shocking and in troubling that liability depends so much unluck. So and you know and then yes, and then we have cases where. Death wouldn't have occurred without a decision maybe a bad decision may be in a responsible decision. By police. But it's the argument is it's it's the person who started the chain of events. That is liable. Even, if they're not the ones who Hit the actual person or caused. They started the chain of events, which then made the police officers start speeding and that reckless driving. But they're the ones who started the events right? Rather, than the officer getting charged. For. High speed chase or for shooting another officer. It's it's the arrest eight that's charged. We'll be right back. Support for criminal comes from honey. Honey is the free browser extension that scours the Internet for Promo codes and automatically applies the best one available at checkout. Last night was shopping for some boots and when I got to the checkout page, honey dropped down and I was able to see the promo codes and it applied the best one to my cart. I save ten dollars. It's simple. If you've a computer honey should be on it it's free in works with whatever browser you use. You can get honey for free today at join honey dot com slash criminal that the honey dot com slash criminal. Thanks to Sun Basket for their support. Sun Basket delivers fresh and ready meals that fast fresh and delicious and heat up in just minutes. 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After the suspects left police chase as both Jones and a police suv sped down seventy six treat they blew through a red light and the police SUV slammed into Jacqueline Reynolds car. Timothy Jones's trial began on February seventeenth two, thousand, fifteen, almost two years after he was arrested. The prosecution had to prove two things to convict Timothy Jones under the felony murder rule. The. Timothy had committed a felony and that Jacqueline Reynolds died in a chain of events started by that felony. Here's prosecutor Barbara Bailey during opening statements when it going out on that street that day when you went to that apartment to commit. Most crimes. US making conscious choices in setting in motion series of events. A series of events engine in a murder. The prosecution argued that had Timothy, Jones. Not Gone to that apartment that day and not run from the police. Jacqueline Reynolds would still be alive. Attorney Keith Spence represented Timothy Jones trial. Our position was there was no felony to connect him to the felony murder. Timothy Jones's felony charges were home invasion, armed robbery, and residential burglary. Keep spent argued the timothy shouldn't have been charged with home invasion because he didn't break in. He knew the man who lived in the apartment that gone to high school together in Timothy had just been at his apartment one day before. Keith. Spence also argued that the armed robbery charge didn't make any sense because Timothy didn't have a gun. Although police officer Ronald Pittman testified that it seemed Timothy with a gun. No Gun was ever found on Timothy or in the. You say the Chicago Police Department like to put this on. Timothy's defense attorney Keith spins in his opening statement. police department is the organization AC. There has the duty to protect us from dangerous situations including high speed chases they. CanNot even the tipped. To so approval connect him with the first degree murder. Of Jacqueline Reps. Keith Spence also. The because Timothy Jones had already been stopped by the police once before the crash. The police had broken the chain of events linking the alleged felonies to Jacqueline Reynolds death. And finally he argued that the police had no justification to pursue Timothy Jones. The way that they did because Timothy did not have a gun. And they could have picked up timothy at any time because police already had his name on the ID they'd found Lee Davis's apartment. Keith spends said it was the reckless behavior of the police the kill Jacqueline Reynolds. Not. Timothy. Jones. What was the trial like? Most of them. Say that. Scanty. Timothy Jumps. Like I I put that in. Alabama a lifetime thing really like. Bermuda. Yeah. I I can't explain it was it was like Like. Me and painting me like this whole. Like Like I'm I'm not saying I had. Total Because I thought my I don't think. That that they. Like. Complete, animal. Fat He lands. The only that it's. Sad. because. They changed me and they broke on the car. As. They deliberated members of the jury asked the judge a question. Was it possible to find Timothy guilty of one of the charges without the murder charge automatically applying And they wanted to. but they were instructed that they could. Because it's it's not how this particular statute is written. You know it's an automatic first degree murder I think the jury will was looking for a way. To address that. And not find him guilty of first degree murder but. Instructions left them with very little movement on. So they had no power to just say sure. Find. We want him home invasion, but we don't believe that this felony murder charges fair or right. There is no way to disconnect the to. No. And that's what we were. We were trying to China address and trying to get at the time and Judge Wilson just would not. You? Know he? He he he? And I don't necessarily fault him for the way he ruled on it. I mean it's just the way the law's written. The jury found Timothy Jones, not guilty of home invasion and not guilty of armed robbery. They. Did find him guilty of residential burglary. And with that felony conviction guilty of first degree murder. During sentencing Jacqueline, Reynolds best friend Lavinia Noble King, who we heard from the beginning of the story testified on Timothy Jones's behalf. I came to the sentence and only you know to speak in behalf of Timothy to try to get mercy for him because he didn't hit her. So you didn't want Timothy punished for Jacqueline's death, of course not. He didn't hit Jackie. Timothy. You did not hit Jackie. He's didn't touch hers key didn't even know Jackie gotten yet. But when I got on span I asked the judge the please be lenient and give mercy to this young man he was young had a chance that his life. They could've they could've easily he could have. Did it a maximum? He should've gave him what they give people for mass and they're not saying that he did it because he caused the accident never first degree murder. Differ, think about what Jackie would be saying to you about your helping trying to help. Timothy and not to say do it Lasagna and that's why I had no problem speaking about it. This is my best friend added been different. I would never have come and went a pass what I knew. She would I knew she would have felt that way and that's why I woke up it. That's why I came independent Timothy because like I told the prosecutors. You don't give you about Jackie too tool. It's not about Jesse. Jackie it would be about this young man. And that's for I'm here to speak up for her in behalf upon I'm her best friend, all of her dreams, aspirations, shortcomings and all, and she would not have wanted Timothy to do this time she wouldn't have wanted that. Timothy Johnson was sentenced to twenty eight years in prison. He's currently souvenirs years into a sentence, Dixon Correctional Center in Dixon Illinois. Jacqueline Reynolds family sued the city of Chicago and the two officers involved in the crash alleging that they violated procedures for police chases. And as part of that civil case, new information came to light. An expert said GPS records showed that officers civic check was driving as fast as seventy four miles per hour and. That just before the crash, he was driving a minimum of sixty eight miles per hour. This is different than what officers civic said it Timothy Jones's trial when he testified he been driving at about thirty miles per hour. Police in Chicago are typically required to apply a balancing test when deciding to engage in a high speed chase to take into account the traffic conditions of the area and the risk to bystanders. and. To decide whether the need to catch the suspect at ways the risk of the chase. Check testified Timothy's trial that he did not think the chase was too dangerous and that he was pursuing a man who was armed. The city admitted liability in the family's lawsuit. In three point, five, million dollars was awarded to Jacqueline Reynolds Estate. The Chicago Police Departments Traffic Review Board issued a reprimand to officer civic. Check. And requested that he attend driving school. We contacted the Chicago Police Department for the story but haven't heard back. Timothy Jones is continuing to appeal his conviction. If he served his full sentence he'll be in prison until he's forty eight years old. What's the memory that you think about? Maybe it happened A memory that was right before this whole thing began when you're just a guy who is going to college and. You know. I? I, think the town Mike. Seventy five. I. I. Wanted to. College. Like that. Can't. Be. The whole jail? Thinking like and if I was out. The whole life I. Do Criminals Created by Lawrence Sport and me. 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Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast 5/20/20--Guest Laffit Pincay III

The Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast

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Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast 5/20/20--Guest Laffit Pincay III

"Narrowed maximum security has been defeated. King for a day. This is the Jason Beam racing. Podcast brought to you by twin. Spires your daily home for Horse Racing News interviews wagering discussions and more. Here's your host Jason. Be Our added a good Wednesday morning. Y'All it's May the twentieth happy to be with you here on this Wednesday edition of the program. I'm your host Jason Beam. I'm here with you five days a week for the race horse racing podcast brought to you by twin spires man. I had some I had a couple bites ice cream just before we started here and I am on a sugar. Rush Net flicks in chilled. Is the the Benny? Jerry's pint I bought the other night I remember. I talked recently about how I really need to turn around my diet. So but they were like they were two fifty a thing so head to get one and I just had my thing is when you look on the sides of them and I'm really glad to Jerry's has done this because it used to be. Every pint was broken up into serving sizes of like a Quarter Cup so there was four servings in every pint and it was like. Oh three hundred fifty calorie okay. The worst thing on earth for dessert. Oh it's one fourth of the PINT and I don't know about you but for me pint of Ben. Jerry's play plays out the same way every time I couple bites of the ice cream super hard. You just getting a little bit out. It's very rich delicious. Oh you're you know it's just it's great and you get through that I you know. Just little layer maybe a quarter inch half inch. And you're like Oh this is damn good and then you hit your first big chunks and then the next thing you know you're like okay getting close to halfway through this thing and then it's like I probably done. I'm GONNA take going to get one more chunk of whatever the chunk is and by the time you do that. Now it's like there's only a third of it left and you see the bottom and it staring you right in the face and And then it then. It's just like a guilt. Finish and then you feel awful and then you move on and then the next time you have a pint. You do the same thing here. I'm just going to eat just a little bit off the top. May maybe this is just my experience and most of you are normal Good eaters but Certainly my my experience with it but to happen to be with you guys here lot of news a lot of stuff to talk about. Laffit pincay third is going to join us from southern California. We'll talk some of the Belmont News. We'll talk about NBC broadcast Fox broadcasts. We'll talk three year olds. We'll just catch up with L. P. Three. It's what I wanted to do day. Lee Davis from horse. Player's GonNa Join US tomorrow the jury. Ob and Friday will probably talk a little bit about the Churchill opening weekend that was and also looking ahead. Of course the Matt Winn stakes entries. I think coming out today for though so we'll talk about that coming up this weekend. I would think that our juries in general be pretty Churchill. Centric going forward. You know. All three guys are paying attention to the circuit very closely They sponsor the show. And you know it's kind of what we're watching right now so keep that in mind so obviously the the big news was the Belmont being announced and I had heard about this yesterday evening. I have I have sources on the ground pretty much everywhere as you know because we're such such a news breaking I think are only news. We ever broke. That wasn't like Jason Beam. Personal News was Canterbury's takeout reduction. I remember we asked. They called me and they were like. Hey we want to announce our takeout reduction on your show. And I'm like well hell. Yeah let's do that. And that was what twenty sixteen or seventeen. It was early on in the podcast. I remember that but yeah talk to. I talked to a source there and they had said that Hey it's GONNA be such such date at such and such distance and I said because I had said on. I think it was Monday. Show the only thing that was going to that. I was hoping would not change because obviously the date was likely to change. And what and you know. The purse probably changed and all that kind of stuff was. I was hoping they'd keep the mile and a half distance and they didn't and I think as expected the reaction was not positive. There was a lot of folks I would say myself included who initially were. Kinda like The stinks dented. But as I said the other day as I say on a Lotta stuff in life especially this year in this crazy year like things are just going to be different and you know. I have no doubt that the people in charge of Belmont Park took the time to weigh all of the options. And this was what was the best one I do. Think the interview with Baffert. Last week is partially. What is leading to a lot of the upset Adminis- about the distance change? Because I think a lot of people believe that it's catering to Bob and I don't have any proof one way or the other that it is or it isn't I think it is in the sense that I would guarantee that. They contacted all of the horsemen of horses. Who would likely be pointing to this race and said you know what would you prefer what is better for you. And I'm guessing that a massive majority of them said nine furlongs not just baffert but others. I could be wrong but I would guess that. That was partly to some degree. The the horsemen are the customers of the race office. Now the racist offices putting together the racist for the betters. But they're working with the horsemen and that's who they're trying to get with them. Positioning the Belmont. I of the tree. Three triple crown series races. You know they. They obviously have a little bit of a different situation. And I don't know enough about I. I saw a lot horsemen breeder types. That were saying they were kind of the ones standing up for the decision. And talking about how you don't know what it takes to get a horse ready for twelve furlongs and you don't know this and you don't know that in my case they're kinda right. I don't know what it takes. I I would think that if you can have a horse. Ready for twelve furlongs In the first or second Saturday June they of their three-year-old year that you can have them ready by the third weekend I don't know how important running a ten furlong race. Five weeks ahead of time is for a foundation to go twelve. I personally just assumed that. If you're a trainer you train the horse to run twelve furlongs. That's kind of what I thought it would be I was not aware that That you know that there was this great foundation that was needed And I don't know why they couldn't. I guess we actually. I do know because we're less than five weeks away now from the Belmont literally is in a month right. It's a month from today. Today's May Twenty three skimpy twentieth. So you know. There's obviously not time for anybody to really prep for the Belmont. I suppose they I mean they can't obviously can't do it in New York. They don't start running for a couple of weeks You know the Matt Wind Coming Up. This weekend I suppose could be utilized as a prep but literally entries are twenty four hours after the announcement of this and I would think a lot of the horsemen with top. Three year olds because they probably talked to the radio. That's probably had a pretty good idea what they were going to do. And and all that kind of stuff but you know I I was. I was mad when I heard the news and I got over very quickly. That's that's kind of my Mo To me the most important thing this year history for me is kinda thrown out a little bit just because of everything's going to be and I think the discussion that can be had as you know. Is it tougher to keep a three-year-old at a top level to win? Those three big races spread out over four months than it. Is You know when the three races over five weeks. I would think it's more difficult to win the three races over five weeks and particularly with the mile and a half distance. I mean the the you know. That's why it's called the test of champions. I thought I saw somebody said it was the of champions which you know the psat's kind of the practice test for the SAT. But I thought that was good. Whoever had that one but you know like I said we're we're all having to make adaptations? I just will the race. Be a good race to me. There's zero interesting about you know Charlotte and going to the front and blowing everybody's doors off at a mile and an eighth if that's how it plays out maybe it doesn't. I mean we you know. A Horse race is a puzzle. BAFFERT obviously having multiple options for the race. Vietna- dollar authentic or or Charlotte. I wouldn't think that he runs all three in this one. But maybe who knows I A lot of the horsemen breeder types that were defending the change to the mild in eighth. We're all saying that there would only be a field four if they went twelve furlongs which I found surprising and I I kind of disagreed with it. Because you're telling me some guy with an ice allowance type. Three year old. Wouldn't become a fifth runner in the Belmont? You make money if you run fifth and if one of them stinks up the joint you make a bunch more for fourth. And if you're a horse runs the races life and a couple don't and he runs third or second you're GonNa make a hundred or two hundred thousand dollars which is certainly more than winning an allowance and you're now a Belmont graded you know. I mean they're not they're not going to downgrade the Belmont stakes. So you're you're now you know which obviously with males especially gelding. It doesn't really matter if you're graded stakes place but you get what I'm saying. I just hope it turns out to be a competitive race with a full field is going to be the Belmont now. Belmont Day has become such an incredible part of the calendar right. It's it's a super day. It's on par or for some people better than a Breeders Cup or a derby or whatever I mean. The day is a whole is so popular now and You know people are passionate about it. And it's a New York thing you know. A lot of New Yorkers are passionate about the Belmont dates. It's a huge thing for them so I get it. I get the frustration as I said we'll talk with Laffit pincay about a little bit As the day wore on I was just kind of like okay well. They made their decision. And you know I have to trust that you know. They got people in charge that are going to do. What's best for the horsemen in the race? In the in everything for the company it's in their best interest to have a good race. That gets a lot of handle in news. So low would love your feedback. Though by all means you can Email me Jason Charles Beam at g mail dot com and always a good way to get a hold of me a couple of other news items. I was very happy to see that the folks at Charlestown so I've been watching more charlestown since they opened. Obviously there's not a ton of racing action going on around the country Right now even with more tracks going. It's still not a full menu but CHARLESTOWN added a late pick. Five with a twelve percent takeout. That will begin effective. I think immediately it says that there. It's a fifty cent base increments. If no one picks off five winners than seventy five percent of the pool will carry over to the next cards late. Pick five with the remainder distributed to those selected the most winner series so there is a four out of five provision but seventy five percent carryover. So it's not a jackpot wager of any kind and I like I said I've been digging the races at At charlestown I've been watching each night. You know I say we have our zoom chat group and we you know we watch all the races between there. There was a maiden race that the other night where there was a horse who I swear. Refuse to load like ten different times. Pitch the writer in the Post Parade and then ran third. Fifty two or something crazy like that but you get some results there and to me. That's what's so interesting if you can. If you can figure out the puzzle that is Charlestown. Then you got a shot at some some big pay other piece of news. I thought was rather interesting was the first of the Navarro and service. Horses are starting to run at Gulfstream. And Bill Findlay the thoroughbred Daily News Diddy A piece about this and kind of talking about how the first they had to there was more. They had more than one hundred horses down there. And so they were obviously distributed. You know out and around to To various other Barnes and you know bill budget from a Gulfstream. V made mentioned with some of the vets that You know the health the horses and everything is is that they had to do some special testing for these horses they had. Where's that Oh come on ahead my no tie light and no? I can't find it. We were concerned any permanent damage done. If they'd have growth hormones. I anything we can test for sixty days off would give us the opportunity to make sure they were clear from the effects of those out. There was one paragraph that I really wanted to read and it's not up can't find it now. I can't find it so we'll Oh here we go here here. In order to be cleared for racing they had to undergo a battery of tests including urine blood test and the new trainers submit hair samples Final step was a workout performed for state veterinarians I'm really fascinated to see how this part of the service Navarro Journey plays out. I mean it's it's kind of a no win. I I would think for the trainers that are getting these horses. I mean obviously they. It's a win if they make money but it's entirely possible ours don't perform like they were If they do perform like they were. People are going to question the new Barnes even though they've gone through this stuff and if they don't people are going to worry about the safety and etc but part of me also is like they might get bet though and maybe go get them but I but I think enough people are going to be paying attention. We've seen in recent weeks. We've seen horses that were claimed off. Varo kind of in the last couple of months but we haven't seen the horses that have gone You Know Straight from their barn to their new barnes after all this testing and breaks and all this kind of stuff so it it definitely is the the next segment in this very long journey anyways. Let's take a short time out when we come back we're GONNA be joined by Laffit. Pincay the third will catch up with L. P. Three about a bunch of different topics right here on a Wednesday edition of the Jason Horse Racing. Podcast brought to you by twin. Spires twin spires is your home for wagering on horse racing from all around the world sign up today and take advantage of our one hundred dollars. Sign up bonus when you wage. Your five hundred dollars has a twin spires player. You'll receive free Brisbane at past performances. Live video race replays. 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Jason How are you? Everything's going good man? I figure we would just do the standard interview or we could just debate the shortening of the Belmont for twenty five minutes. Do you have a preference man? I don't get it. I don't guess there's there's no other sports going on whether it's baseball basketball football fans that are you know just hoping to see that there might be some games played in the season played like we we have our biggest events slated there on the calendar like who cares we have our derby preakness Belmont. Everything else is really not all that important. I realized that if someone wants to complete the quote Unquote Grand Slam. That they essentially have to do a backwards home. Run run because they're running the third base I which is the Belmont. They're running to actually to first base second and then to second base and then to home. So it's it's certainly a little bit different and I think they're you know anytime. There's change of something tradition and historic like that. I get that people are going to be upset and my twitter changes. Its layout I freak out for two hours and then I get used to it and I kind of move on and I think that's what will happen with this. I've seen a lot of horsemen commenting on like look. You know the reason that they're doing this of course baffert spoke up about it but I think a lot of trainers that. I've kind of seen mentioning. Like they get. Why they're they. WanNa move it back because a lot of them don't want to go twelve furlongs off and awkward prep season right so again. Big Picture Given everything else that's happening in the world Horse Racing Sports in general. What we do with our. It's not it's not important but this is a horse racing show. We're discussing sport. We loved so yeah sure when it comes to the Derby the preakness the Belmont. It's real easy to go down the rabbit hole and all the ramifications and whether you're talking about postponed triple crown event or them being run out of order or different distances. Whatever the case may be I just for me as a racing fan. I think it's just. There's so many details to sweat in the world right now. These aren't this isn't worth really sweating. It's going to be different. Yeah but we. Everything's GONNA be different this year like I said I think as as a racing fan you just appreciate the fact that we're going to have it. Derby preakness a Belmont and made the chips fall where they may for this year. It's not like this is a permanent change. Well and we're going to see that with hockey and basketball. If they play best two out of three series and stuff people are going to get mad about it. But you know I think in twenty thirty. We're GONNA look back on the twenty twenty one Stanley Cup. Well you know. Obviously it was the Golden Knights because they're great but But twenty twenty. That was that your the Damn Flyer snuck in one two out of three and there's going to be a little bit of that with any of these triple crown races and I was thinking about you know. I think there's going to be an asterisk type. Look back at a lot of this but in a weird way like is is it is hard to keep a horse as a three year old going into late three atop their form over the course of four months for these three raises now as it may be was an early midseason three-year-old with five weeks. I would think they both have their their challenges. Absolutely you would think that you know anyone associated with says the Law Barclay TAG OR SACCO. Being he was primed and ready to go and ready to peak. It seemed on the first Saturday. May while you have several of three year olds out there. Perhaps none more so than Max fields was truly going to benefit from a postponed Kentucky. Derby the Derby is supposed to be a once in a lifetime. Opportunity for a racehorse array sources three-year-old only once in fact is he would have missed that for Saturday in May be and is a second chance so to speak to run in the Kentucky Derby four Max Fields So it will benefit some. It will work against others. Is there arrogate out there? Somewhere lying in the weeks or knows So yeah I think it's uncharted territory for every horseman they don't you know they've never been there. I think you got that sense when you watched the Louisiana Derby when you watch the Florida Derby and that was you know the Santa Anita Derby grasp the wood memorial the post hundred cancel. It was the sense of celebration. We just one this big race in now. What because there's this big devoid in between now. And then you know Bob Baffert one. Five derbies buddies never prepared a three year old for a you know September Kentucky Derby so I think a lot of it is just kind of feel and And figuring it out for this for this particular Season and Yeah it's GonNa be it's GonNa be interesting. I think there is some benefit which there probably is in general to having accrued points earlier on in the season of the King Demos I saw. He was already announced that they're going to bypass the Belmont. And just kind of go straight to the Kentucky Derby obviously the the points only effect the Kentucky Derby because it's Kentucky Derby trail points at least for those connections. You know they can plot out these next three or four months with no no muss right like they can kind of pick and choose what they need to do to to be ready but as you said like this is completely new territory for these trainers and to some degree. I think it's going to showcase a little bit of of skill for the conditioners to to try to vary it for baths been doing the same process for twenty years getting ready for the first Saturday in May and so it is going to see how it plays out. Yeah there you know preparing for the unknown yet. Keep an eye on on one. Another and seeing the different approaches that are that are going to be taken We've always had this. This sort of this mindset of a gauge. How many points it would take for a horse to qualify for the doors? Somewhere between twenty twenty five. We don't know what that's going to look like you have. The winner of the map win at Churchill downs on Saturday which is traditionally a race in which horses resurface after the Derby. You know what mccracken comes by right. And now it's fifty points to the winner for them. Outwitting winning I. That should be enough to get into the Kentucky. Derby like what we just don't really know 'cause we don't have anything to gauge it by. I think for me the biggest adjustment will be as as a working on these on these broadcasts or as you were watching from home is what. What's IT GONNA look like a Belmont stakes where we have seen? You know the roof blown off that place. When American fair across the wires the first triple crown winner and four hundred and eighty two years or whatever it was and just that absolute pandemonium in that frenzy. Even when there isn't a triple crown on the line and you hear the singing of New York New York. The sense of excitement in the building. That's all and Jackie generated by enthusiastic. Fired up horse racing fan base on. New York's biggest day of thoroughbred racing. I you know what's that going to feel like and how odd that's GonNa be for. One of the most celebrated braces in North American racing in American classic. Being run without spectators gravitate towards thinking about the the race collars. Because that's kind of the world I live at. It's I I. I was thinking about that. When you mentioned it like you know Larry can't go bonkers crazy down the lane. Maybe you can But I I saw. I think it was Joe. Buck even said like he goes. I can't scream about touchdown when there's no crowd like he goes. It's going to sound like I'm an insane person my I would I would. I would ask for so I watched one of these. Baseball Games The Korean leader from Korea and they piped in just like the sterile background crowd noise and it made a huge deal. Compared to the first time I had watched a baseball game without fans. You remember I think it was American Pharaohs here and fifteen there were some. There was some civil unrest in in. Baltimore and There was a lot I think. WanNa say riots. I if memory serves right there was an orioles. Docs gave or even four. You'll games with and listening to the announcers in watching it without like a like. Wow this is like watching paint dry. Which lends you know some perspective to what you know. The fans bring to a sporting event. It was it was really hard to watch. But with some of the piped-in crowd music in that game that I watched in Korea. It made a huge difference. I don't know just Larry. Call myth ask for some crowd noise to be kind of pumped into so. He can kind of feed off of that. I don't know how all that is gonNA work. I know as a broadcaster myself when you're at the racetrack example. We'll cover races at Saratoga. And there's a set by the finish line right near you. The fans right next to you and when something special happens. Part of the energy you're reacting from with the fans are reacting from from what they just watched it's organic it's very you know you sent that energy. As opposed to sometimes even if it's the travers. You're all the way on the first turn and as beautiful as a shot is it may be in the background. You don't quite feel the energy from the crowd the same and to kind of feed off of that and really feel the moment that has everything to do with the energy being created by the people there in a big crowd on a big day in a big moment. So yeah for you to understand this huge race without anybody there and you want to be authentic like you don't WanNa you don't WanNa you know just manufacture it so yeah that's GonNa be a great conversation to have Larry Calmness and how he's anticipating all this well to be fair. I did call. Bodey express at Gulfstream Park West with six people there that was a macau able to generate. How are you able to find it right? That's what I think. One of your least. The view is kind of big moments is immediately after the race on the Gallup out. You know you're you're often the first one to come back to give the initial comment and a lot of times in big moments is one that comes to mind You know literally you guys just stopping and letting the crowd pay pay picture is I mean to me like that was one of the best moments of an NBC broadcast was after that race. It was just because it was it was insane. We hadn't seen anything like that in a while. Just lay out layout. That's right yeah. And and for for American Farrow and for justify as well you want to feel you wanna feel the moment and if you're trying to Give the viewer and and convey the event and make as much of a first person that firsthand experience for them as it possibly can be. Sometimes you shut the hell up and get out of the way if you come in with a bad line. I mean it can re you can history's being documented and you don't want to upset that don't WanNa you don't WanNa be a deterrent in in that regard but yeah even covering a big race from studio is like even now operating out of the studio in L. A. you're out of Santa Anita for the the Fox shows for Churchill now and Oakland over the last couple of months. you. I mean it's it's literally just myself and either Gary Stevens or Michelle. Michelle you sitting next to me. It's it's quiet it's sterile and you really kinda have to It's a different sense covering a grade one race from that far away in the studio and being at a racetrack covering a grade one event with tens of thousands of people. There that everything's just kind of you know you're it's that much more exciting again. You don't WanNA manufacturer it. You WanNa Really. Kinda feel the moment but at the same time it is. It's definitely It's very different without the presence and the kind of the support of crowds and enthusiasm that comes with it. You know thinking about talking about tracks in these big days and stuff you have certain trap or tracks and trips throughout the year and maybe more you know a normal year the most forward to going to a here some athletes like oh. I was when we go play a New Yorker or something like that you have some that are on your your general generalists that are high marks for you so the the sort of broad stroke response is for me. One of my favorite moments as a as a broadcast was a racing. Fan Is just walking into a horse racing venue on a big debt. Any big day that that energy of what's to come is that's what that Adrenalin That really kind of set the tone for the rest of the the rest of the afternoon. there's all there's so many of them are different and special in their own way. Of course arriving at Churchill downs the morning the Kentucky Derby. That's our Christmas. It's the anticipation of months and months and weeks and weeks of what's under the tree. Finally were there finally after dissecting each one of these three year olds. We're going to see who was the best three year old in that particular afternoon in a race that is regarded as the most exciting two minutes and all the sports Pimlico is a completely different experience. But one of my absolute favorites being the preakness so welcoming That stakes barn The city of Baltimore and one hundred thirty thousand people that are there preakness day the party in the Infield. It's absolute madness. It's like a horse race out of party. It's insane and then as far as the Belmont stakes to me. There's no bigger race on the planet then the Kentucky Derby unless you're talking about a Belmont with a triple crown on the line and like I said I've never felt anything in a crowd in any type of crowd and then there's some big big sporting events what it felt like at Belmont. The moment American Ferro crossed the line in the fifteen Belmont stakes. There's something I don't think I'll ever feel again. 'cause it was definitely different with justify that just at being there Yeah I've never experienced anything like that in the Keeneland togas and Del. Mar Santa Anita. They're all different but like I said walking arriving at a racetrack on a big day. to me that's that's one of the absolute best parts of being a horse racing fan for myself getting to convey that event uncover those events and television so the the racing. Tv schedule obviously expanded a little bit During the first couple months of the pandemic because we were kind of the only game in town as you mentioned early on did. Did you end up working more throughout the spring? Or were you already kind of scheduled for those weekends just as triple crown lead ups? Sure it depends Everything was kind of in flux immediately. And you didn't know what was going to go on as scheduled probably wound up covering more dates just because we were able to do the Fox shows out of Los Angeles here At Santa Anita so what looked like was going to be very quiet and not knowing what dirty preps we're going to take place and would you know the media the allowed on the grounds and we didn't know immediately what was going to happen with the Kentucky Derby but I wound up with Oakland continuing and Tampa Bay and the racing proving to be sustainable throughout a pandemic which is this is incredible in own right Yeah and all the tell it networks this you know whether you're having more raking on NBC s more racing on FM one F S. To if you're talking about a channel that's dedicated to sports coverage and there aren't any sports was a need for content and nobody's looking to capitalize on situation. I think it's just a situation. Where horse racing is a game. That's proven that it can take place In front of you know necessarily the support of of you know a packed grandstand so to speak. What is it ninety percent of the handle comes in from off track now is Harvard? Wagering is concerned so you're not dealing with basketball players and football players in the high contact and sweating all over each other. They different sport that by design For something like this. It was thought that could be sustainable. With all the protocol and Safety Protocols Report Place and it was proven that it could be at home in Tampa and oaklawn and now it's great to see racing back at Santa Anita Golden Gate and New York in June and Churchill downs and one benefit is just. You've seen Jason The competitiveness. How good the racing has been with options elsewhere. Trainers can't simply owners trainers can't just choose the path of least resistance. You're seeing ungraded stakes races. That looks like great one breakthrough company. Maybe long-term Fifteen twenty years from now we look back and realize you know maybe less is more maybe a little bit less racing actually helps the product itself getting beyond the fans not being there and all of the protocol that we have to go through. The racing itself has been really really good. Yeah I think that's certainly one of the conversations that have come out of this is and I don't think it necessarily means contraction from attract standpoint as though maybe it's more of a you know more circuits that are running a little bit less days or stuff like that and you know I mean I also want to believe that we can still grow back to that where it's you know because there was a time where right. That was five days a week. Everywhere was was the ten twelve four field. You have to make adjustments. But I think he also try to get get back to that but I mean you can't even from content. It's so much more. When everybody was watching oaklawn in Tampa Bay you were. It was so much easier to become engaged with both those two tracks because they were the the two games towns. Like when there's a pick six carryover like everybody's you know on the same page as opposed to fifty different pages around the country. I love turf racing. The racing was so good at Oakland on dirt. I didn't miss a trip race. Necessarily you know and I think that again there can be some from an experiment. And that's all that's what this was at the very beginning can race and be sustainable under these conditions. Like I'm a basketball fan but I think the eighty two games is just way way way too long and I think back to the ninety eight nine. I whatever it wasn't you wound up with the Knicks and the Spurs in the finals and it was a fifty game season and every game meant a little bit more than it would otherwise You're seeing things where you know. Players minutes are constantly being monitored now and players when they're not injured or sitting out games and load management is creeping. Its way into the NFL. Even I think drew brees missing a few games last year. He interests thumb and we to came back and week nine or ten and he says man. My legs feel great. I feel better than ever. So does does SEAN. Payton sit him down for a couple of games. You know that season so that his legs are better so that historic quarterback feels better. Come playoff time. I don't know I don't like the idea of load management and when I remember back that I thought that was a great NBA season. Sometimes less is more. I hate the idea the NFL extending its schedule Air For thoroughbred racing purposes. Yeah the boutique meets. That seem to really thrive and keeneland Saratoga del Mar Yeah I I've always thought one issue. A big issue in Durban racing is that there's just too much of it. The Guy Third joining us for just a second more wanted to ask about doing the show on Fox and long broadcast and obviously less. You know it's not like there's races every three or four minutes. There was sometimes. There's also a lot of new eyeballs and I know from writing my book. There's this fine line of saying something to educate newer folks to the game. And you know not patronizing your irregulars. I imagine that's something you guys kind of have to walk a little bit Doing these extended long broadcast with new eyeballs on it. Right when the The amount of people that are watching on on on. Nfs One Saturday when no other sports are available. There's so much of the news you can take in Jason And certainly I think for me. It was an easier transition having worked. Nbc for the past decade. You understand you're talking to a different audience and you want to explain things and you want to give people a reason to route a reason to care about an outcome. Who aren't gambling. Who aren't wagering. So sure you won't WanNa give me information pertinent for the handicappers at home and understandably and you're GonNa have to explain to them that look. We're looking to broaden the sport I mean. That's always kind of been a stigma thoroughbred racing right as we don't have a younger. A newer fan base wants. Because we don't explain things very well and if you've never been around horse racing a racing form is is can be very intimidating difficult to understand unless you have somebody explaining it to you so yeah you don't ever want to talk down to anybody. That's a perfect word. You don't WanNa patronize anybody. But I think there is way to walk. That fine line provide the information to the handicappers that they do find useful. It's not look if anybody's sophisticated enough to having eighty w set up and they're sitting there then not on the edge of their seats waiting for your selections right. Yeah so I think you. Can you know Joe Buck and Troy Aikman covering a football game on Sunday? They're not talking about the spread. They're not talking about the over. Gambling is going on and it's GonNa continue to happen even though that's not a thesis that's always central focus of the broadcast and so. I think there is a way to do both. You're not gonNA satisfy everyone but there is a way I think to kind of cover the same event with some enough balanced information to make things interesting for somebody who typically doesn't watch and somebody. Who'S BEEN WATCHING FOR THIRTY YEARS? Laffit pincay joining us. The feet always appreciate your time if folks want to find you on they can find it. Laffit Pincay. Tv. Thanks so much anytime. Jason stay healthy. Thanks so much all right you too. We'll be right back after a short time attitude. Jason remorse racing gas brought to you by twin. Spires the Jason Wien horseracing podcast brought to you by twin spires? Is Your home for daily thoroughbred horse racing conversation join host Jason? Being has he discusses racing from around the country interviews jockeys trainers media personality and horse players every Monday through Friday. The show can be found at twin spires dot com or on I tunes Speaker Stitcher. Or wherever you get your podcast from the Jason Deem horseracing podcast brought to you by twin spires. This is the Jason Beam racing. Podcast brought to you by twin spires Philippian KYW THIRD FOR JOINING. Us always loved to catch up with the feet and look forward to talking to Davis. Tomorrow it's horse player Thursday. If you ever have topics you WanNa hear about on horse player Thursday. At least here my opinion on and I'll put it out to the the folks as well but by all means email. Jason Charles Bima Djamil Dot Com a lot of times The the QS for my horse player Thursday opens will be based on questions or comments. I get in the email so I keep those come and Jason Charles Beam at G MAIL DOT COM and. We will be back tomorrow. We're GONNA do out GONNA do another. Show what we do here. Everybody have a great rest of your Wednesday. We'll see you back for Thursday program.

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NPR News: 08-16-2019 9PM ET

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04:39 min | 1 year ago

NPR News: 08-16-2019 9PM ET

"Live from n._p._r. News in washington. I'm jeanine herbst democratic congressman rasheed leave has called off her visit to the west bank this weekend to leave who is muslim muslim says she rejects israel's conditions about what she can and cannot say publicly during the trip as daniel estrin reports from jerusalem to leaves palestinian uncle tells n._p._r. Art family has mixed emotions. Essentially is the congresswoman's uncle he lives in a village in the israeli-occupied west bank as does the congresswoman's elderly grandmother and other relatives chiefs to leave says the whole village was preparing for her visit and the families sad she won't visit but happy she refused israel's conditions to abstain from advocating a boycott of israel oh he told n._p._r. That israel does not want americans to see the israeli occupation of the west bank to leave and congresswoman ilan omar were planning a trip this weekend but president trump tweeted tweeted against it and israel ban the trip but granted to leaves request to visit her grandmother than she turned it down. Israel's interior minister said her request and then rejection action was aimed at bashing israel. He tweeted apparently her hate for israel overcomes her love for her grandmother daniel estrin n._p._r. News jerusalem the chief medical local examiner of new york says an autopsy shows financier jeffrey epstein's death was suicide by hanging the sixty six year old was found dead in his jail cell in manhattan august tenth he had been taken off suicide. Watch and attorney general william bars as officials have uncovered what he called serious irregularities guards on duty the night of of his death or accused of falsifying records epstein was facing federal sex trafficking charges involving dozens of women and girls a local branch of the end of lease e._p._a. Suing of virginia school board to change the names of two schools that honor confederate leaders from member station v. p. m. in richmond whitney evans has more for the civil rights group says lee davis high school in stonewall jackson middle school violate students constitutional rights because their names mascots and in symbolism compel students to support confederate ideologies caitland banner is an attorney with washington lawyers committee for civil rights and urban affairs which represents the a._c._p. Hanover branch in this case under the first amendment. There's a long history of not allowing the government to force individuals or school children hugh display or to support speech that they disagree with the county renamed the schools after confederate leaders in the nineteen sixties during virginia's resistance stints to desegregation for n._p._r. News i'm whitney evans in richmond. Housing starts fell four percent last month the third month in a row thanks to a sharp decline yeah the construction of apartment buildings but the commerce department says construction of single family homes was up one point three percent wall street higher by the bell the dow up three hundred six points the nasdaq one hundred twenty nine s and p five hundred forty one all three indices up more than one percent. You're listening to n._p._r. News the famously liberal city of portland oregon is preparing for demonstrations tomorrow that aims to attract far right figures from across the country oregon oregon public broadcasting's mirrow powell reports. The demonstration is being billed as a rally against antifa a former employee of the conspiracy theory website info the wars is organizing the event also involved or members of the proud boys a fraternal organization designated as a hate group by the southern poverty law center. The portland police are preparing for the rally as well as counter protests by local antifascist and others. Here's portland police bureau spokeswoman lieutenant tina jones.

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NPR News: 08-17-2019 12AM ET

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04:59 min | 1 year ago

NPR News: 08-17-2019 12AM ET

"This message comes from n._p._r. Sponsor xfinity some things are slow like a snail races. Other things are fast like xfinity x. by get get fast speeds even when everyone is online working to make wifi simple easy awesome more at xfinity dot com restrictions apply live from n._p._r. News in washington. I'm shay stevens. President trump's former campaign manager corey lewandowski says he'll gladly testify testify after being subpoenaed by a u._s. House panel as n._p._r.'s philip ewing reports lewandowski says he's eager to defend president trump the house judiciary committee issued subpoenas for lewandowski another former trump aide rick dearborn as part of what democrats called there need to evaluate impeachment the two men played key roles in what what critics have called potential obstruction of justice by the president. It isn't clear yet what dearborn will do but lewandowski told fox news radio. He's got a message for judiciary committee chairman airman jerry nadler and the democrats. I'm happy to come right because i want to explain that there was no collusion. It wasn't obstruction that hearing could take replace in september philip ewing n._p._r. News washington far right figures from across the united states will gather in portland oregon this weekend for what's being billed as a rally l. e. against antifa organ public broadcasting's mirror powell has the story a former employee of the conspiracy theory website info wars is organizing the event also involved are members of the proud boys a fraternal organization designated as a hate group by the southern poverty law center. The portland police are preparing for the rally rally as well as counter protests by local antifascists and others. Here's portland police bureau. Spokeswoman lieutenant tina jones our number. One goal for us have a is the safety of all involved which includes participants the public and our officers. None of the day's demonstrations have been permited with the city. The portland police are encouraging residents to avoid the rallies for n._p._r. News i'm mira powell in portland a local branch of the n. w. c. p. He is suing a virginia school board to change the names of two schools that honor confederate leaders from member station of v._p. M whitney evans reports from richmond. The civil rights group says lee davis high school in stonewall jackson middle school violate students constitutional rights because their names mascots and symbolism awesome compel students to support confederate ideologies caitlyn banner is an attorney with washington lawyers committee for civil rights and urban affairs which represents the n. double a._c._p. Hanover branch in this case under the first amendment. There's a long history of not allowing the government to force individuals or school children to display or to support each that they disagree with the county renamed the school saffir confederate leaders in the nineteen sixties during virginia's resistance to desegregation desegregation for n._p._r. News i'm whitney evans in richmond. Jeffrey epstein's death has been ruled. A suicide new york's medical examiners office says an autopsy topsy and other evidence confirms at the sixty-six-year-old financier hanged himself in his cell at a federal jail. This is n._p._r. News the security council met friday to discuss jammu and kashmir as police clashed with hundreds of protesters opposing a security crackdown in the region region india's ambassador site yet aqua rude and says kashmir's autonomy has been downgraded for the benefit of the people he says the status of indian in kashmir is not a matter for the u._n. Matters related to article three seventy of the indian constitution are entirely an internal donald matter of these have no external ramifications. India's government says the curfew and other restrictions imposed used in kashmir will be lifted over the next few days. Both india and pakistan claim kashmir in zimbabwe. Police attacks citizens who gathered in downtown harare.

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The Best Teen Rom-Coms to Watch After You Finish the To All the Boys Trilogy

TIME's Top Stories

10:56 min | 3 months ago

The Best Teen Rom-Coms to Watch After You Finish the To All the Boys Trilogy

"The best teen rom coms to watch after you finish the to all the boys trilogy by annabelle gunderman when it debuted on netflixif twenty eighteen to all the boys. I've loved before the film. Adaptation of jenny hans blix selling young adult novel in many ways revived the teen. Romcom the sensitive and endearing love story between the introverted baking obsessed lyra gene covey lana kantor and the popular lacrosse playing. Peter convince katie. Noah's centenario captured the hearts of millions the third and final installment of the trilogy to all the boys always and forever dropped on netflix on february twelfth and follows larry jean and peter as they navigate college acceptances and relationship challenges ahead of graduating from high school. Luckily for jan fans her young adult novel. This summer i turned pretty is being adapted for television and is set to arrive on amazon on an as yet unannounced date while we eagerly await next project there are plenty of movies from the last few years that will inspire those cozy feelings along with laughter and maybe a few tears like to all the boys these films feature young people falling in and out of love fighting for their relationships and nurturing the friendships that exist outside of them here are the best teen rom coms to watch after you finish the to all the boys trilogy adaptations of young adult novels. All the bright places when we're introduced to the central couple in this adaptation of jennifer nevins bass twenty fifteen young adult novel. It's on balik terms high school student. Theodore finch justice. Smith is on a run when he sees his classmate violet. Marquis elle fanning about to jump off a bridge. He convinces her not to jump and the to form a special bond explored throughout the movie while definitely darker in subject matter than to all the boys as all the bright places tackle suicide grief and mental health challenges it is similarly built around a relationship to route for and has moments of teenage sweetness. And romance dumpling willow dean dixon. Danielle macdonald is a seventeen year. Old self proclaimed fat girl living in texas where her mother and ex beauty queen played by. Jennifer aniston runs the local miss teen blue bonnet pageant. Though willow dean cruelly nicknamed dumpling by her mother is comfortable in her own skin. She wants to shake up her conservative town and spite her mother by participating in the pageant. The adaptation of julie mccarthy twenty fifteen young adult novel is not a traditional romcom though it does feature a cute romantic subplot between willow dean and her co worker but a wholesome portrait of self love and acceptance with a soundtrack by dolly parton to boot love simon in many ways love. Simon is as conventional as teen. Romantic comedies a sixteen year old. Simon spire nick robinson is exchanging anonymous. Love letters with someone from his high school and is desperate to learn the identity of the person. He's fallen for but things are a little complicated. Simon is gay and he's not ready to come out of the closet at least not just yet. What ensues is a thoughtful adaptation of the twenty fifteen young adult novel simon verses the homo sapiens agenda. The first major studio movie about a teenager coming out to his family and friends. The result is a wonderfully corny and remarkably unremarkable. Romantic comedy with a gay protagonist at the center. Me and earl and the dying girl this quirky and quiet adaptation of jesse andrews twenty twelve young adult novel. Sounds like a real downer after all. There's a dying girl in the title. And she's a big part of the movie but somehow a movie about a pittsburgh teenager befriending a girl with leukemia. Not because he wanted to his mom insisted they hang out is not a sad one. This is a different kind of love. Story a touching look at friendship and death and all the small and weird moments that accompany growing up. The son is also a star. Chew teenagers who couldn't be more different unexpectedly meet in manhattan and have undeniable chemistry. Daniel charles milton is a romantic college bound kid while natasha yara shahidi is pragmatic sentence driven and on a mission to stop her family from being deported. The next day in this adaptation of nikola huhne's novel the star crossed strangers. Turned lovers explore new york city as they questioned the role of fate and destiny in their random and potentially life altering run in more high school love stories. Alex strangelove high school senior. Alex true love daniel to haney has big plans to finally lose his virginity to his girlfriend. Claire madeleine weinstein. But those plans are thrown into question when alex meets the charming elliott antonio marsili a gay high school graduate at a party torn between his newfound feelings for elliot. And the very real though. Maybe not romantic love. He has for clare whose mother has cancer alex attempts to make sense of his sexual identity while weighing the costs of following his heart the map of tiny perfect things seventeen year old mark kyle allen spends his days doing the same things very literally a routine that is so practiced because it appears he's trapped in a loop and one he'd really like to leave. This all starts to change. When he meets margaret. Kathryn newton a teenager who is also stuck in that. Same summer day though. She's not as eager to find an exit point together. They decide to map all the little moments in their small town but their eventual romance complicates matters in ways. They don't expect the groundhog day. Premise has been done many times before most recently with last summer's palm springs but still gives way to a bittersweet and emotional narrative. The half of it laura. Jean would certainly approve of this one. Two teenagers at opposite ends of their schools. Social scene brought together by love letters. But they're not the ones falling for each other instead. Awkward band geek. Ellie chew lee davis is ghost writing love letters. On behalf of her classmate a lovable jock named paul muskie daniel deamer the movie follows. Their unexpected friendship made more complicated when they both develop feelings for the same girl. Yes god yes in. Karen means semi autobiographical. Yes yes we meet sixteen year old. Alice stranger things. Natalia dire as she navigates her catholic high school in the mid west town. In the early 'oughts a dirty rumor circulates about alice performing a sexual act the name for which she doesn't even know the meaning of gossip that follows her to a school retreat. Where most of the film takes place though more of a comedy romance this tender portrait of a teenager's sexual awakening is equal parts. Sensitive funny and sweet bonus great teen movies about friendship. Blockers blockers stars kathryn. Newton geraldine viswanathan and gideon adlon as three best friends whose prom night. Sex pact is thwarted by their nosy parents. Leslie man john cena and ike barunholtz. The movie follows the teenagers that night as their parents attempt to track them down determined to stop them from losing their virginity. He's a journey. That takes them too. Many hilarious spots including a house party with the requisite parental chugging challenge as the teenagers learn to embrace their respective sexualities. The adults in their lives get their own lesson on allowing their daughters to grow up on their own terms book. Smart sometimes the best kind of love story is the kind between two friends enter. Olivia wilde's book. Smart beanie feldstein and caitlyn. Deavere play mali and amy inseparable. Best friends who are about to graduate at the top of their high school class. Their futures couldn't be brighter. Mali's off to yale while amy's about to volunteer for the summer in botswana but they are both wondering if they spent too much of highschool studying so they decide the night before graduation to finally party the night of course does not go according to plan but it leads the duo to discovering the costs of their ambition and the joys of being a little rebellious lady. Bird sara scherr. Ronan plays lady bird known as christine mcpherson to her parents in greta. Gerwig 's critically acclaimed twenty seventeen solo. Directorial debut the film chronicles lady birds senior year as she applies to colleges tries out for the school musical falls hard for the wrong boys and as lots of arguments with her mother. Laurie metcalf in heartbreaking and heart warming ladybird tries on many versions of herself on her journey of self discovery.

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 Freshwater part 5: the appeal

Today in Focus

44:08 min | 2 months ago

Freshwater part 5: the appeal

"This is the final episode in a special five part miniseries from today in focused called freshwater. It's all about five man sentenced to a total of one hundred and four years in prison for drugs conspiracy. That they say they didn't do. If you haven't been listening than do scroll back to the stop on your feet wherever you get your podcast before you begin this episode. I do want to warn you that there is one description of islands tools. The start today. The cost of pail will begin to decide the fate of the freshwater. Five if convictions quashed will no longer be guilty man in the previous episode. I told you the ending of emily story or the ending so how she got the men's case in front of the court of appeal and how she finally got hold of the evidence that the court is about to consider. Now i'm gonna tell you the beginning of emily story the very beginning which takes us on a little diversion to louisiana. Base may seem like a strange place for us to go. But you'll see. There's a point to this when i arrived in louisiana. I'd never been in a courtroom before. And i turned up in court wearing ripped dungarees straight outcomes of market which had love hough sign over the area. I was nearly sent home than that for such pulling breach of courtroom protocol. The reason. Emily was in a courtroom in louisiana in hungary's was because she had become obsessed with the death penalty. And how wrong. She thought it was so much say that she decided to go to america and try to do something about it. She was twenty six. Who does that. anyway. Emily went to law school and then as soon as she was done. She sat up innocence. Project new orleans. Louisiana isn't the first place. I would choose to be charged with crime. It's been known for a long time as the prison. Capital of the world. If louisiana were a country it would have the highest incarceration rate on a one of emily's burst innocence cases. Was that of two men greg. Bright and early trivia been convicted of murder. They had been in angola prison. Since nineteen seventy six. This is greg describing it. The first day. I arrived at angola the first morning of being it after being an angle going to child guy jumped out of line stabbed another guy in this neck. Everyone just kept walking as if nothing had happened. case against them with simple a single eyewitness such saw them go past her apartment with a young boy who was found dead the next morning. They've been trying to find a conviction in prison by themselves for decades. But as soon as emily started looking into it she knew something was up she requested and was immediately given access to the trial transcripts. The prosecution filed and the police file. I remember having them all laid out pages the floor on the tables on bookshelves all over the place as she read through all of these documents. Cross-checking them. Emily realized she needed to find out more about the eyewitness so she went down to the courthouse to find out if she had a criminal record. That was this lovely broom in the basement. Call records run by some of the nicest people you could imagine who were sort of consigned to the basement. The whole place reeked reeked formaldehyde. Because it was right next door to the morgue so you went down there and you were kind of assaulted with this smell. It took hours of scrolling three microfilm and of they said all card catalogs emily family card for the name given by the eyewitness in court a notice that it mentioned an alias so emily went to the card for the alias and it turned out. This alias was actually her real name not the name she had given in court. I look up her real name. I find that. She's got a slew of prior convictions. As long as you're on and i was able to piece together that seoul eyewitness who was the only direct evidence that greg no would guilty of this meta. She had been suffering from schizophrenia. And she was self medicating her mental illness with heroin and gave a false tip to the police. That greg old it in return for twenty dollars for an fix. We figured out what had gone wrong in this case. And we brought that evidence to court the conviction overturned and greg no came home that day when they were released into the arms of that families from orleans parish. Prison is one on that. Forget a pair. That was one of the things that she told me. No matter how bad situation my may be just keep fighting keep fighting which believe in and good things happen. Would you have been able to do what you date. And crocodiles case and overturned the conviction if it was in the uk. No greg knowles. Exoneration relied on the transcript and full access to police files and in this country. We don't have those tools for identifying. Who's been wrongfully convicted. Look without hesitation. I would rather be wrongfully convicted in new orleans than newcastle. Anywhere else. In england wales because in new orleans. I'd have a clear route to prove my innocence because they are obliged in that jurisdiction to shame media evidence. That here in england would remain hidden. When emily that to me are shocked. This is a place with a notoriously brutal prison system and yet she sounds by this and has repeated to me a number of times not that the. Uk's whole criminal justice system is worse but specifically if she had to be the victim of a miscarriage of justice somewhere she would rather it happened there in louisiana than here that flying elbow is not directed at the judges in this country or viruses. Like they're amazing. Legal lines working in the criminal. Justice system in england and wales. The difference is the access to the evidence. When you're actually convicted of something that you didn't do the keys to yourself are in that police in the transcript of the trial and in this country in england wales i have access to the keys from the guardian gristana today. In focus freshwater part five the appeal. This idea that. Emily would rather be wrongfully convicted in new orleans. The new castle. It's not something she's always believed. It's a belief that has formed slowly through experience since coming back to the uk. And starting law practice hair. i was completely flummoxed. Think is the best threat i was completely flummoxed what i found was i tried to do the same things i tried to do. What i did in new orleans here investigating cases here zuma's like feeling like feeling like a foreigner in my country. Because what you could do. Hey we so different. There are quite a few things. That struck emily when she returned. Some are elements of the pre-conviction criminal justice system at the very start of the process so in any public defender office in the united states Lawyers matched with investigators and the investigators go out and investigate the accused person. Side of the story hit. That doesn't happen. Say you're already fighting with one hand tied behind your back in this country if you're accused because are no one's going to investigate your your version of events there's also what is disclosed to the defence before trial. The prosecution is supposed to handover material gathered by the police which undermines their case or assess. The defense but. Emily says it doesn't always work like that. The police counter information They do their investigation when a crime is committed and they put all of that evidence in two three essential buckets k. I bucket evidence that we're gonna use a coup case that that's the material that they use the second bucket unease material. And that's the bulk of the material and then the fed bucket is sensitive on us material. So it may for example. Reveal the name of confidential informant. The evidence that gets put for before the call is going to be the evidence that helps the prosecution case so he gets to look in the bucket only the police and maybe the cps so the police go through that bucket of unused potential and instead of letting the defense it which is what. I consider vital from injury miscarriages of justice aca they make a list of it and then they showed the list of it to the defense and the defense supposed to look down the list and guess it might as well be a lucky dip which bits of it they might like to ask you to look at and that system is absurd. It costs the police. Thousands of hours preparing these the lists off of varying quality materials. Not sensitive because the sense of material has already been weeded out and put in the bucket. Anyone with an ounce of logic would say that would make much more sense for the defense to just read the papers right and we see in cases at the trial stage such as that liam allen. Who was wrongfully prosecuted for rape a few years ago. Scotland yard has ordered an urgent review after a rape trial collapsed when it was revealed that vital evidence hadn't been handed to the defense lawyers. Say the case isn't unusual and blamed cuts in funding to the police and crown prosecution service. It's just out of the back kind of thing for me. i'm lucky ones. They drag me for so you know it's not just me that has implications on you know you've got family you've friends and they have to what you go for it harder because you can't do anything to help you can't change it for them even though you know in your heart for a fact that he's not true. Only in the middle of his trial was it revealed that in the unease material. What text messages that showed that the charges should never have been brought and liam is a free man today. Only three serendipity that was not the system working that is luck type of stuff. Emily's talking about was considered a report by the crown prosecution service inspectorate. that's their watchdog in two thousand seventeen. It said failure to deal effectively with disclosure which they found evidence of how the corrosive effect on the criminal justice system adding to delays cost and stress and they said these problems may deprive victims of justice or result in innocent people being convicted. They have since reported improvements but say it is still below an acceptable standard and that stuff's all before conviction but emily says getting access to information after conviction gets far worse. Say in the us. When i started case i would first thing i would do would be accessed. The complete transcript of the trial. Would what every single said and what every single lawyer and judge said an. I read that line by line to establish what that that kind of baseline is simple. The evidence was at trump and check that out from the from from from a library. So we don't get a full transcript of a trial in england and wales and by contrast that has been available in the united states since nineteen fifty-six even at this stage emily still doesn't have a complete written transcript of the freshwater trial. There were recordings six weeks worth of them. Hundreds of hours on desks but to have it transcribed you have to go through. An approved transcription service. We would have loved to have got hold of a full transcript for making this series but the price would have been absolutely astronomical. We don't know exactly when the court side but even if it was just four hours a day for those six weeks we calculated that it would cost somewhere in the region of ten to twenty grand to go through one of the official transcription services. Anyway next thing. I would do if i was still convinced that this case had witnesses that meant. We should continue investigating it as an innocence. Project was. I would request a complete copy of the police file and the prosecutors file and i would read the again line-by-line comparing that material to what was said at trial and looking for anything that was overlooked or anything that was not disclosed. Say police files and prosecution files in louisiana specifically are public records. You're able to get them by dint of being human being applying for them and again. Emily says this is very much not the case in the uk. There is not doubt in my mind that this evidence in the freshwater five case that we have extracted from the authorities tiny piece by tiny under the disclosure regime in the. Us would have all been on my desk in the first week of my review of the case and it wouldn't be tiny piece by tiny piece. I would have full disclosure statements lobes notebooks excetera and i would be comparing them would be finding a lot more than just what we've been able to present in this case. I'm all of these things added together. Emily says means the everything takes much longer. Look when i set up. Innocence project new orleans. We had our exoneration within a year and then a greg knowles case was the year after say that is because we immediately had access tool has documents. We started investigating. We could see everything that happens at trial and we were able to dive into the police investigation and figure out what room we all. Now what is it now. Six years on festive on the freshwater. Five case i have a fraction a fraction of the material from the original investigation. What we've discovered is powerful evidence that undermines the safety of the convictions. But look how long it's taken. It has taken six years to get to this stage and hundreds of hours of time of the stuff at appeal which charity and therefore can only keep going if we can get funding to pay for that time and also hundreds of hours by experts working for nothing. I mean you say the the cases that you were on in america with success wouldn't have happened here in the same way but this week you are going to the court of appeal. These men are gonna get their day in court. I think the but that is not an example of the system working that is an example of getting to the court of appeal in spite of the system. And that's the difference so the price at the court of appeal has been fine once. You're in the door sort of appeal. The reason the court of appeal exists is to correct miscarriages of justice. The criminal division. That is that its purpose. So that's that is functioning that's fine. That's the system working but what has not worked is. The is the six years that we've spent leading to this. Price of studies dysfunctional. You should have access to evidence that has the potential to exculpate you and the system did not provide this at trial in this case and it is not provided despite a persistent requests throughout the last six years of price conviction Efforts to investigate the case and get it back to the court of appeal. So i'm not complaining. I'm not complaining about what happens when you actually get into court and have your hair dysfunction is. You can't get into cool without fresh evidence. You can't access fresh evidence without a tip police files and transcripts and that is what is missing Everything emily has just said is her take her personal perspective i somebody who has practice into different jurisdictions even though a lot of what she has just said refers specifically to the freshwater case in a way it sort of stands alone and rather than being about the court of appeal. Her criticisms are about the difficult journey getting this far whether the freshwater five innocent or guilty. It's clearly true that it took a very long time and a lot of effort to get the evidence that is now good enough at least to be considered before the court of appeal and. Emily says she experiences all of these problems. All the time with all of her charity appeals cases. But now i want to turn back to the case itself seven years after. Emily began working on this and over ten years since the men were first arrested. This is the way in which their fate will finally begin to be decided today. Three senior judges are going to arrive on the strand in london. They'll go into the historic buildings at the royal courts of justice. Even during this pandemic a small number of family members will be allowed to attend in person and the court will begin to consider the case in a narrow sense. The appeal is about everything we told you about in the previous episode. It's about the radar data. Technically it's about whether the new evidence means the convictions are unsafe. There's no specific and rigid definition of what unsafe actually means like many legal concepts. It's open to interpretation. I asked one expert in criminal law. Who has worked as a defence barrister to tried to give me a sense of the thought process that might follow and this is what she said. If the court accepts the new evidence they will then ask themselves. What effect might this have had on. The minds of the jewelry had it been presented to them at the original trial. The defense will argue. This new evidence changes things dramatically. They'll say it means. The boats never crossed so the timing of the phone calls is less significant. That there was what looks like a surveillance plane to see any drugs in the water though point to a potential suspect vessel. I'm the remind the court of the overturned conviction in the gatwick case that also involved amended locks. The judges may find that persuasive or not the prosecution will also make its arguments and even if they do accept all of that. The judges will still be thinking about everything else. That may have persuaded the jury back. In twenty eleven zahran's journey the dodgy links the burner phones. The weather the clifftop evidence remember the original trial included the amendments and the drugs turning up in freshwater bay so the court will take all the elements that led to the original conviction. Put it against this new information and ask. Could they have. Come to a different verde. The defense expert told the court of appeals sets a high bar. They won't interfere with a jewelry decision lightly and the court won't be retrying the case and asking itself are they guilty or innocent. They'll be saying is the conviction unsafe coming up after ten years of fighting what it would mean for the men and their families to clear their names london. Stock exchange group is here to be your essential global markets infrastructure and data partner wet opened his injustice platform. But a philosophy giving you the freedom to make your mark in the world. Elsag open makes more possible. The court of appeal might not be asking whether the man or innocent guilty. And perhaps neither should i or you. But i bet we all are. It's impossible not to like. I said josh and i have talked about that question so much. We sometimes think it's been the most time consuming part of this whole production. And what you think about that question might affect how you feel about everything you hear from now but here are a few things. I want to say. Even if things happened exactly the way the prosecution said they did at trial. Were the sentences on jury harsh. As far as i can say the prosecution's case was not to say that the freshwater five were the ringleaders in a drug trafficking conspiracy. They told the jury they were picking up the drugs from one place and moving them to another three of the men. Got twenty four years for that. Danny and scott's roles were said to be smaller but they still got eighteen and fourteen years respectively. Those are long sentences. I put best to former detective. Davis seems to me that in this case if these guys guilty but the people who are in jail are probably the couriers and not the people who masterminded the entire operation. Do you think twenty four years for being career in drug operation like this is a fair sentence. The aci so i get that mentality totally and that challenge in sentences to people today with. What's face the alerted cocaine to bring into uk and that will rape a lot misery within communities usga to end up. Who desk to end up with an how is going to be cut up distributed etc. You know you get ca cocoon of people's address so you get paid. Blues addresses will be taken over by dailies and their lives and made miseries. You other Riddick to drugs. And they ruined their their large and everyone around him so the military is massive as well but the as individuals probably don't understand the significance what had been asked to do and how effective it is but there is a tradeoff. There is a trade off when you are a to play a role in what we know will affect lots of people that drugs getting a lot of different areas for a lot of different people that it will make a lot of law palm. The second thing i'll say is this. Maybe i'm soft but there is definitely a sad element to this now. Any level of sympathy. You may have for the men themselves might depend on whether or not you think they should have been in prison in the first place. I don't know but their lives have definitely been devastated by this case. Donny told me that before he was in prison. He had a girlfriend who he was ready to propose to going out with. Ready to get looking really pretty lovely Nine years we've adopted rescued another the dog. Just it was just on neither style of our family kind of thing is you know i mean the fassel. Step towards settling down. And then when he went to prison that all came to an end she can. She can deal with it just fus- from a nice family. Lovely lovely painful and she just. It was just too much for nfl. The may not be in there. Everyone told can manage newspapers. And i don't blame asshole asshole. What's it been like being out. Yeah if if an. I'm hot laughing. Months been really hard illness thing. He kinda get out and ride in his wife. Just happiness kind of thing and the thing is when your net you look forward to getting out is going to be massive and you get out in is not message. No one's there uncast. It was gone about it. That's the truth. That's what as everyone's moved on. You haven't moved on. I'm just it just takes a while to adjust. You think you're ready. All this is only my personal experience Different jamie. my didn't john me. Yeah is hard to relationship the skull. She says it's called. We like that before not has me cold. Scott barely nineteen when he was arrested said something very similar. I was asking him whether it was nice to hug his mom and dad when he got out of prison. Yeah yeah definitely yeah. Yeah there's gonna wait because this is how emotions are really started which i. I just don't really yeah very difficult for far. Shore not having any emotions cullens on relationships By very quickly because of a lot different than when you were before you and and yeah. Yeah sean. I love connection with someone in issues. Finders song difficult. Did you family and friends support yen. Audrey good support from my family and Lost friends for he looks fans. Yeah awesome praise. I'm a story. That's why lloyd's to live. What because they didn't stay in touch with ya because they didn't believe you what Remember for instance when all was on offer on tax Being a great france we went out. fear into the poverty drinks. Anyway one of to have a guy saw erin come back tomorrow. The oh sorry. His number must be and it was like a nice promise. Go so we wrote barium time it was just. Aw edges not fins that and you can not you since we were kids in how. You're gonna treat me because this. Do you think you can get back on your feet. I deny shot issues will have to deal with. Rock must myself a ministry and things that things are not gonna go away. His conviction gets visa. Gonna things that can be stick with me for a very long time is just why why is is going. 'cause a struggled struggled updates things like Even i are nephews. Be picky Fruit since i've come out on radio picky so fussy when not shopping mall we by the exact same things now. He's just things about just going to pick up on. I'm thinking is woman. Whoa may ask bizarre. On his brother-in-law milan said the president and the uk was particularly tough but he called me food flow from the prison to and tell me about this situation. But what terrible. It's terrible here. i dunno language. I don't know. I don't think nobody terrible for him. I never i must tell you something. I never see an listen him to cry that day when he called me to tell me. She received twenty four years in prison. See cry and everybody cry. He's now back montenegro where he was having some visits from family but that has been stopped because of the pandemic and now the kobe. No one can visit nobody. Nobody and he was he gerona before one months. He had coronavirus. Yeah he told me that this corona. He's broke him. Body broke his body. Elena bed and he can go to youtube tallet. How his breaking his buddy so of course. The men have missed a lot. Some of the things. I have messed us small everyday kind of things but when you add the most together they amount to missing periods of life. And if they're guilty the money will think that is their fault but it's not just them of course their families who are accused of doing anything wrong have been just as affected. Here's joan baez wife and daughter sue. And maisy might. Data's being imprisoned the half my life a now Even more than half molasses ops any seven seventeen now it just a crazy thing to think about you feel. I've been rose. He's missed flynn's growing up. Maisy growing up at grown up. You know he's he's never seen flynn who's he loves his football. He's never seen slim playoff match. He's got away with teaching goes to drive. He's he hasn't been here for our granddaughter who rely. she's any eboni. Johnny graham span prison always missile watch and he was a teenager when he was arrested. She's now she's now twenty s and now in flint of the teenagers. We aren't like the toddlers and child anymore like still to this day. If that's what you doing. I'll be like all. I'm just eating some grapes. He'll be like make sure got not properly. Berkshire you choose. Yeah you don't wanna choke on them and he always says to mom la have you. Chopped sausages are properly because of the skin on sausages. Like he still sees us as much as we all get anymore. He still sees as these little kids. And i'm not that we aren't going to need you. Brush your teeth wash our face for on some of the things. I've missed are huge single events the sorts of events that change your life here is jamie green sister nikki. Green and his daughters measuring poppy. She obviously had been ill for a long a long time when she initially got diagnosed think which was about two thousand eight she got given eighteen months the talking about their mum who was also called nikki yes. She got dot niger breast cancer. I a nine. They have results. Oversee came back not rod so she had to go back in and then they'd said the eight transferred to a level which become tired the no and they gave her eighteen months to live at that time she full for a long long time. We finally auster in two thousand and fifteen so she kept going and finding everything can doing everything physically that she could be Because it does not think anna's kids you know a lot of dry force. Was that in some respects. Jamie jamie benn look. Topple must insult soil perverse. Way gave her the strength to keep fighting it and the strength to go on and the strength they in the the best about and it was so desperately side. It sounds terrible. But they were waiting for nikki. S to become in enough for jamie to visit his loss visit. He arrived at hospice handcuffed to gone. To god's by side with tapers. I a minute was belotti dreadful. A man of the hour and a half two hours Then we go. Now it's time to go into colorado and off. He went back to prison. Talk breaking twelve inch. A funeral was a Center the island with jamie was gonna be allowed to come to it. Just before the beginning of the we found out he was coming and he was on the ferry up leave. Nikki was in strong hus- she'd always being very much into hostess she competed. The kids competed and oversee. We pulled up and jerry van at the top end In the 'cause obviously following mom and that's when we noticed that dart was there so that was a huge huge relief for us that he was able to be there and we just got out of the cause and went straight to him and we were able to give him a hug. It wasn't terribly by day it was it was cold it was spit in jamie. Read the Which was unbelievable. I mean now. We did it christianity nice. He was still handcuffed to prisoners Point was a term looking everybody with personal suddenly behind him handcuffed to him in the leg. And tell me do it. And they're i absolutely heartbreaking stage are we are we did not one a never now is proud of somebody in my life just have much enough name could sorry. He was the inner the situation. I found in sound saying spec kids every potato at. Did you feel watching you brother day. That just breaker for him. Sitting the offer as you know. Scott and danny a both already out of prison zahran. John jamie still have time to serve that once he got twenty four years. It's hard to find out exactly what that means bizarre on montenegro but his brother-in-law says that he could be behind bars for another five years. However in the uk where you typically serve half your sentence in prison. John jamie will be out much area within two years. So what does this appeal. Actually mean what is it about their freedom that reputations. I asked everybody about this and for almost all the man and families i asked. It's the freedom that matters most. Maybe that's not surprising for the men in prison. But it's even true for scott. And danny who were both already out of prison. There are unlicensed and have parole officers but they can't travel and they can't even go too far out to say and that is what bothers the most on now part of life so it means a massive amount. Just go places. I'm about cleveland you name. How important is that to know what it is because of all of this besides long. I'm sorry unaffected by what people think that. Now it's an effect if they believe it. I don't believe in their lives. Near opinion what they think doesn't faze me factor. I can travel and have a life at the is one thing that every single one of the men and family members i spoke to set to me that whatever happens over the next few days even if the conviction is quashed and the men come home this will always be lives. You hopeful brealey fairly hopeful. The other day i did he were talking and he said something about will yet behind and so. Yeah this cry. We're really positive. Actually because we were saying the night before the conviction that you come in high. I've got to live off his. This is this so we've got low to high but the moment your in prison so tedious says we go pale coming on. Yeah this is great. But he's oncoming. Hi yes you all coming home. And i do believe he's coming high but at the same time i'm i have to protect me. An helps protect the children have to protect his parents and my older all the other people around us because why thought does go wrong. It's not gonna go wrong and already strongly believe it's not going to go wrong but you've always got nato if this appeal doesn't work. He's nearing his half way point. So as you said it'll be released within a couple of years. What is this about now for him. Think he lost in what was most important he would say getting my family clearing my name clean his name it posted s where always get all of us not not just. The boys are always going to be defined by this conviction this miscarriage of justice. They are always going to be jamie graying. The skip of that bite. Tout bear guard convicted for that twenty. Four years donny paid scope. That always gonna be defined that by your school. You're going to pay the wife. Jo the plate go sent down twenty four years. It's always gonna define us it. That's not going to go away. Is how we keep that. And how we come through the other side of that we. We can't bet just lot. We get the ten years back. We went to the crown prosecution service about this podcast series and they said they were unable to speak to us about the freshwater case because the court of appeal hearing begins today. The national crime agency said the same thing however on the broader question of people's right to disclosure the cps said it remains a paramount importance and his for public confidence in the cps. A spokesperson added. There is an unprecedented focus across the criminal. Justice system on finding solutions and extensive action has been underway over the past two years to bring about the necessary change. Not just in how cases are handled but in the wider culture within the cps and policing in this series. You've heard from emily. Bolton director of appeal former dc. I lee davis crab and lobster. Fishermen martin gilbert and filled trebilcock. Donnie pain and scott birtwistle to the freshwater five and the families of the other. Three men nikki. Maisy poppy green sue and maisy bear a milan voyeur church. I'd like to thank them all. And everyone else who is helped on this mini series including shona grungy and mark ward as well as other legal and police experts. Who didn't want to be named and a number of colleagues at the guardian. Do read the reporting on this for mons and an animal cases in the courts of appeal from today and we will be attending and bringing you more on this after the decision which could come later this week. During the course of the series we been blown away by all your tweets and comments and reviews. Do of course caitlyn coming. There have been some interesting questions raised and i wanted to address a couple of them. A few people asked about zahran's decision to come to the to work in the original trial. He said he expected to earn between fifteen hundred two thousand euros a month. Another asked whether police locust tend to record the audio of what comes over the radio. I asked lee davis about this and he said the ten years ago not already as would have recording technology and the recording was what was written down on those one to josh where the spaghetti hoops the ones with little sausages in them. I can answer that because my kids ate them no. They were traditional spaghetti. Hoops and i definitely saw them. That's it for today. The series is produced by josh kelley with support on this episode from alex attack. Sound design and original music is by axel cuckoo. Ti the executive producers are still may not and nicole jackson. Rachel we'll be back with you tomorrow.

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How the Electric Chair Works

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How the Electric Chair Works

"Are you scared about the possibility of a second American civil war? I'm Robert Evans. I'm the host of the podcast behind the bastards. And I've worked as a conflict journalist in a couple of actual civil wars in Iraq and in Ukraine, and I'm here to tell you I am scared of that possibility. If you wanna know, what might be awaiting your friends and your family, listen to it could happen here. You can listen and subscribe at apple podcasts or on the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. Welcome to step. You should know a production of I heart radio. How stuff works? Hey and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles w Chuck Brian over there. And there's Jerry over there. And this is stuff, you should know over here. And I guess I probably sound a little too Chipper for what we're about to talk about because it is grim stuff. It is. And I my friend have the fact that you probably know. But I don't know if everyone else knows that the word electrocute is a portmanteau. That was coined during the war of currents. You did. I'm so happy with you. This is my fact too. I was like checks gonna love this. I appreciate you assuming that I already knew it. Well, I see me know, everything let them have it choke. Well, yeah, it it's it comes from the words electric and execution. And when I saw that I was like that can't be right? Surely the word electrocute was around before then. But there was no before then because there was no like, you know, mass use of electric city, and I don't know who exactly coined it. I couldn't find that. But it was during the war of currents. Yeah. I saw it in like a paper from nineteen o eight that said that and they said he just said it's so matter of factly as what that does. Oh, wow. That is right. Electrocute electro execution. It's like the sex acution, it's like sex and the executioner the sex acution. Yeah. And that's also word that gets misused because. A lot of people say someone's electrocuted if they just experienced a profound shock, but that's not the case. That's why I was confusing. I think at first force really quite that. It's not it's not sensible. I also saw another. Electro thin Asia. Okay. I know it's not nearly as good as electrocute. I I wanted to toss it out to and this episode has what I believe may be the best of he should know band. Name of all time. I know what that one is to so we'll just hang onto that. Okay. Cool. Yeah. I saw that knows like there's chokes paying name. Yep. So we're talking electrocution. And now that you know, electrocuting what the word means, you know, we're specifically talking about being put to death on purpose through electrically, and as far as we know the only way that anyone's ever been put to put to death using electricity is in an electric chair, which is a specifically American invention. Did you know that before you research this? I did and we should point out that the Philippines did use this for a while. But it was because we basically rely you guys should totally use the electric chair here have one right back in like nineteen twenty six and they used it for fifty years until nineteen seventy six, and then they were like this is really gross. We're going to stop using this and stop executing people altogether in that. Right. Did they altogether? I just assumed they went to firing squad or something. I think I don't know if it was in seventy six, but I think they got rid of the. Death knell, perhaps how how very simple so with the electric chair. We've we've had like I said it was an American invention. It's been around since I guess the eighteen eighties is when it really started to kind of make a make its debut, but it's it's really kind of basic and simple for something as seemingly complicated as harnessing electricity to put an to extinguish a human life. Right. It's a share that you strap somebody to and run electric through their body until they die. It's really about that simple. Yes. They I mean, if you've ever seen a movie or God forbid, if you've ever been to an execution can imagine doing something like that. But people do that. And by the way, you know. If I say things like that. I'm just speaking for myself everyone. Oh, we did like a whole lethal injection episode came out pretty strongly against the death penalty if I remember correctly. So so it's already out there. Yeah. I just I if I seem like I'm turned off by a lot of this is because I am. But there are a lot of people in this country that when they hear about like flames shooting out of someone's head and blood count coming out of someone's eyeballs in the smell of cooked flesh. They're liking heck. Yeah. Like Zappa again. Shouldn't shouldn't kill those people. You're getting what you deserve. So there are a lot of people out there that feel that way. And I'm just not one of them. Yeah. I was reading about the execution of Ted Bundy he was electrocuted in Florida. I'm pretty sure and there were. Yeah. It was flora there were people partying outside of the prison where he was put to death. I remember that holding a barbecue. What what year is is like nine hundred ninety. Maybe you're eighty nine. I feel like I was in college. But I remember seeing that on the news. And there was just like. It was it seemed like a tailgate was going on. Yeah. That's what it seems like from what I read in. And there was apparently zero Bundy supporters. It was all people who are there for to cheer on his death. Yeah. So they're definitely people who feel that way out there for sure. So. Yeah. Getting back to what you're saying. Though. It's it is very rudimentary. There was a metal cap that is the electrode and that is put onto a prisoners shaved head. There is a natural sponge with saline saltwater in that sponge and salt water is conductive. And that's the reason they use that. But there have been a lot of problems with the wrong sponges too much salt too little salt too much water too little water. But that's generally how it works that goes in between the cap that metal cap in the in the person's head, and then there's another electrode that's usually on the leg of the prisoner. But. Sometimes it's on like the foot or the base of the spine or something. And this all just allows electric city to flow freely through a person's body until they die, right, right? Because the the electrode that goes into the head. That's where the electricity comes from. And then the other electrode that's connected to the ground like through the leg allows the current to pass through the body all the way, right? And that's you know, from that free flow of electronic, that's where you get these tremendously horrific results, ultimately culminating in the death of the person. And then choke you said that they put a sponge on people's heads. It has to be a natural sponges. You say that I did. So apparently, they found is as we'll see the only natural sponge will work a, but one of the other purposes that serves besides acting is kind of a reservoir for the saltwater conductor. It also it fills the space between the metal cap and the. The the the victim's head because you're like the metal caps is like this little metal cap in your head's not a perfect cap shaped dome. So the the sponges meant to also kind of fill that space get the electricity everywhere going through your head. Yeah. And as far as the chair, the actual wooden share. I mean, it could have been anything. It could have been some upright thing. Like Hannibal Lecter was strapped to like upright gurney. But they they settled on a chair. It's generally this big heavy oak chair in many times irony of all ironies that chair is built by prison labor. I saw that too. And it's almost invariably called old sparky. But there are also some that were called like old smokey. And then the worst of all I think was Louisiana's called gruesome Gertie. Just terrible name for chair. He actually it's a perfect name for a an electric chair actually now, I think about it. Yeah. But the I don't know the the sort of tradition of naming electric chairs. He's cute names is also something that's a bit of a turnoff. Yeah. Just a tad to tip it. So you're strapped into this chair. Obviously, your arms are strapped in your legs are strapped in most of the times, you have a strap across your chest and groin area. And again, the chair is just has nothing to do. It doesn't have electricity running through it at all. That is just the means to keep the prisoners strapped in right, right? Because when that switch is thrown. Your muscles just contract to the point where you can just snap bones joints skit this thrown out of joint. Literally, I it's a huge con muscle muscular contraction throughout your entire body because that's how you're that's how your muscles contract is through electric and electrochemical reaction. Right. So when you introduce a huge amount of trinity your body all at once all the muscles in your body contract, and it is so much. So that if you're not strapped in you would just fly right out of the chair. I think in it must have been our electricity episode. We talked about how when people who have touched an electrical wire their muscles have contracted. So so strongly that they've thrown themselves across the room. Like, you're not blown across the room by the electricity. That's your muscles contracting shooting you across the room. That's why the they have people strapped to the chair in the electric chair to keep them. From shooting across the room and the electricity shoots through them. Yeah. In depending on what state you're in. You know, they're all going to have their own protocol for how to carry out in electric, and we should also point out too. That this is they are generally not used anymore. There are only nine states, but still have that option. Alabama, Arkansas, Florida Kentucky, Mississippi, South Carolina, Tennessee Virginia. Are you noticing a trend had and then finally Oklahoma not the only state not in the south? But but it's not something that is generally still used in the United States. No. But it is a backup. And it's not a backup. I think if like lethal injection is a work is a backup of the prisoners specifically says I don't want lethal injection. I want the electric chair. Right. So depending on where you are the protocol is gonna vary. This one is pulled from Tennessee was. An execution last year that Edmund Zagorski I guess asked for the chair because it was two thousand eighteen and this was the protocol the electric chair will release seventeen hundred and fifty volts of electric for twenty seconds will stop for fifteen seconds. And then we'll release another seventeen hundred fifty volts for another fifteen seconds. After the first wave of lecture city officials will wait five minutes and then closed the blinds into the witness room. Doctor will check for signs of life. If there are none the doctor will pronounce him dead if he is still alive. The blinds will be raised another round. By soon like an encore. He's the curtain goes back up in another round of electric city will be administered in the doctor will be called in again. Right. How about that? That that encore thing kinda got me. I mean, that's I don't know the parallels are obvious. So the yeah. Yeah. But I think also in the lethal injection would we explained like the X the state witnesses people who are hired to come and witness on behalf of the people because the state is executing people on behalf of the people of that state in these are the representatives of everybody else who lives in that state. I mean, yes, of course, there's no way you wouldn't get weirdos. But if I remember correctly, they try to weed those people out, but yeah, yes, I get where you're coming from. I'm not trying to like shoot your opinions down or anything like that. Yeah. So what are the things like you said there's like seventeen hundred volts I've seen that blow. Like, I've seen two thousand at least is what you want. And then the amps are really the big one because of voltages kind of like the water pressure into hoes where the amps are like the actual flow rate of how much is coming through. So the answer what kill you. They say, but you have to balance the camps in that you want to you want to introduce enough amps through voltage into the inmate to kill them quickly in pain, those sleep because I don't think we've said the reason the the electric chair was brought around was not to to just set somebody on fire as you were executing them. It was too because it was thought to be like a painless inhumane way to to execute a prisoner the supposedly the point of executions. So you wanna balance a quick painless death through enough amps and voltage introduced with? Not so many amps him and not a high enough amount of voltage that you cook the person and set them on fire. That's basically the tight rope that as state executioner who electrocute somebody is walking in figuring out how much to to how much juice to deliver for the electric chair. Yeah. And. I tried to find if you know what I always heard that there were dummy switches and that like three guards we'll all flip a switch at the same time. So no one knows if they were the one, and I think that was just I I didn't see any support for that. And that may just be built on the old thing of the firing squad where someone has blanks, and you know, so like one person everyone, basically can say, well, I may have had the blank I may not have actually had the bullet in my gun. Right. But that is apparently not the case with electric chairs and a volunteer throws one. Switch the you know, generally prison guard has has said this is something that I will do on volunteering for this. You can't apparently force someone to do this. It's always a volunteer. Right. And depending on the state to they might not actually work at the prison. They might that might just be their job as an execution, and maybe a second job they have or something like that. And from what I've seen. They're typically called the lex. Trillions. The electro executioner is called an electric and New York had some very famous and prolific ones kind of at the heyday of the electric chair in the first half of the twentieth century. Oh, yeah. Yeah. One of them killed are you ready for this one of the most gruesome things I've ever heard in my life. One of them killed seven men in succession in one day. Wow. And they had all seven men in sing-sing on death row like in in the death house at the same time. And so as one would be taken away, the other Levin would just be sitting there like freaking out like the next one would come and it just kept whittling down. And as they went through this day of executions, the like, the the the the sense among the inmates. They really almost losing their minds. It's one of the cruelest things I've ever heard in my life, at least in the modern era. You know, there's no way to to execute. Listeners and a believe they've really gotten away from that. You don't execute more than one person in a day at the same place. I think it's really kind of like your time to shine. It's your special day. You're not gonna share it with eleven other eight six other people anymore, but the executioner the electricity for New York who did that can't remember his name right now. But he actually ended up taking his own life. Because apparently he was doing this to pay the medical bills for his wife who was chronically ill, and this paid really really well, and eventually she died, and he abruptly quit. And then when took his took his life. Wow. Yeah. So it's not like it's not like if you're an electric, you're an executioner. I I don't think it's kind of like, this is a fun thing. I think I think this kind of destroys everybody involved, basically. Yeah. And so, you know, you mentioned that it was supposedly the the humane way of killing people, and we'll get to how that happened in a minute. But. The two gentlemen, John Louis Prevost and Frederick batali. They by the way, we got an Email about someone who was not happy with my talian. But we got we got a couple from people who were talion American saying like a love it don't ever stop. Yeah. The one guy who's said, I went too far was also very upset about my characterization of new Englanders as liking Dunkin donuts as well. Wow. So I sort of took that one with a grain of salt. That's a that's a big fat. That's a salt lick think. Yeah. Doughnut jokes come on. Doughnuts. So anyway, those gentlemen, they did a lot of research into heart defibrillator in eighteen ninety s and the idea that time was hey, what's going on here? When you let your cute someone is is it instantly sort of kills the prisoner by a massive brain damage and a stoppage interruption of the heart. And so that's why they thought it was more humane than like hanging which will get to an ascetic. But that is not the case as we will see from the scores of botched electrocutions over the years. Right. That's why if you if you read like these procedures for executing a prisoner using electricity. There's two rounds of juice invariably the first one supposedly destroys the brain. But the second one remember how I said all the muscles in the body like contract. Well, one of the biggest mu-. Muscles in the body is your heart, and your heart contracts, which ironically protects it from dying o interest. Yep. So that's why they'll stop with the electricity the electrical flow for several seconds to let the hearts like come out of seizure again. And then when they do it a second time allegedly that is the one that's meant to destroy the heart. So initially, the first one is supposed to destroy the conscious mind, and then ultimately, the brain, and it supposedly happens very fast number you'll see bandied about is that it happens in one two hundred fortieth of a second which is faster than you can consciously register pain. So you are you're dead. You're at least unconscious, and then you're you're dead right after that before you can feel pain, but the person I think I've seen associated with that as a guy named Fred Leuchter who's actually like a well-known engineer of Tennessee's electric chair. And believe a holocaust denier to and I didn't see anywhere else. Like any legitimate study that showed that so, but it's like somebody said it, and everybody's just going to go with that. But supposedly, that's what the I choose does not you out and kill you, brain wise, your brain dead. And then the second one kills your your cardiac system. Yeah. It was air Morris did a documentary about him actually about tread Leuchter loser. Yeah. Called Mr. death and part of it was on, you know, his work with the electric chair. And then part of it was on your right? The fact that he is a notorious holocaust denier, and guess what he does. Now. I have no idea. He apparently is a works in the garden department of a Home Depot really in his old age. Well, he's he he I'm correct that he built Tennessee's electric chair. He wasn't an actual electrocution or an executioner now. No, he is. Is a really good documentary. Of course, because it's all Morris. But I'm sure yeah. You should check it out. You wanted to take a break. Yeah. We'll take a break, and we'll come back, and we'll talk about a very famous supreme court case. And then a lot about hanging right after this. On the next Ron burgundy podcast. This actually exciting. You got Mr Peter Dink Lynch. He's Chang's impersonal poetry actually, a lot of people actually find poetry interesting. 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And by the way, this this part is particularly gruesome, so if you don't want to hear about this than just tune out for like twenty seconds win this which is thrown. The condemned prisoner cringes. Leaps and fights the straps with amazing strength, the hands turn red than white and the cords of the next stand out like steel bands, the prisoner's limbs fingers toes and face her severely contorted, the force of the electrical current a soap powerful that the prisoners. Eyeball sometimes about an rest on his cheeks the prisoner often defecates, urinate, s- and vomits blood and drool sometimes the prisoner catches on fire, particularly if he perspires excessively and witnesses here allowed in sustained sound like bacon frying and the sickly sweet smell of burning flesh. Permeates the chamber, and dude we should point out. Like Brennan wasn't saying, you know, in the worst case scenario, this is what happens that's a pretty standard that's standard for electric chair execution. And then there's like there was one other thing too that I saw still in the gruesome zone everybody. You said that the well Brennan said that they the person gurgles often Phil also Cy and apparently for reeks out witnesses because they're like you still alive and what happens again, the when the muscles contract. Whatever air is in the lungs gets trapped in there. 'cause you're epoch guate- shuts tight just it's not opening again. So then when the electricity is turned off in your muscles. Relax that air is expelled out. And it sounds like you're sighing or your gurgling. If there's, you know fluid in there, and it's just another terrible facet of this of this this kind of execution. Yes. So we promise talk of hanging. And that's really how the electric chair came about in Europe. They had long us to guillotine. But here in the United States kind of from the beginning. I guess we're firing squads hanging was really the, quote, unquote, humane way of executing prisoners for a long time with the idea that if it's in the case of gallows that door would drop you would drop and your neck would snap basically in you a diver very quickly. But that was not always the case. It was a man named. Tom Ketchum in nineteen to one the New Mexico New Mexico territory his head was completely torn off of his body. Yep. That's just one. There are plenty of them that actually happened to a woman named Eva. Duggan had that happened to her in Arizona in nineteen thirty as well. And it's not like it's not that's not the only possible outcome from botched hanging like they can go the other way as well. Where you're not like your neck doesn't snap or your head doesn't pop off? And you're just slowly suffocating. There was a case of one guy. I think is name was William Williams who was just born to lose. Apparently, he he he dropped. And didn't it didn't strangle it didn't break naked and do anything and the prison officials had to basically strangulate him with the with the rope to kill him. And so all the stuff and there's plenty of them. All the stuff was making the news at the time. And it was kind. Of converging with a public sentiment against the death penalty in general. So if the public kind of like. Quite sure we should be killing people. I don't I don't feel very good about this. And then news of like botched hangings are coming out something's going to change. And there are basically two things that can happen at a point in history. Like this either the society can say, you know, what execution in general is just bad bad news, and let's not do that anymore or maybe we do need execution. But we need to find a better way to do it in pronto because this is not okay any longer. Yeah. There was there was another kind of hanging you always think of the gallows in that trap door. But there's something called the suspension hanging where the person is on the ground with a rope around their neck and weights are dropped over a pulley. And then you are jerked up instead of being dropped and that supposedly will snap your neck. And that was the case with the execution of Roxana Druse in eighteen eighty seven. She was small and so when that when that rope was jerked up her neck was not snapped and sheep slowly was strangled a death for about twenty minutes and she had killed her husband. And that was a case that was controversial for lotteries in it was very much a preplanned killing. But she claimed that she had been abused. She had her children involved in the killing. It was a pretty interesting story. She sent her ten year old out and then had her teenage kids help out. So one of the kids tied a rope around her dad's neck, the the woman the mother Roxanne Roc Selena shot him, but I think didn't use the gun properly. So it didn't kill him gave the gun to her fourteen year old nephew. He shot him. A few more times the husband's laying there unable to move pleading for help. And then she comes barreling in with an ax and cuts his head off. Jeez. Yes. So she takes the head and the body to the parlor they stayed there for about a day, then she cut the body up burnt it and got rid of the ashes, and then was was found out. So but the shot of all this was when she was executed. She didn't die quickly and humanely. She died very slowly. Painfully and very important publicly at a time when the public in particular New York was like we're better than this. And so not not strictly from her her botched execution, but definitely impart because of it New York said we need to find a better way to do this. How can we how can we execute somebody better? And they said prominent lawyer Elbert Thomas, Jerry go, and So Jerry formed will he's like, well, you guys pick me first. So we're going to call the Commissioner Jerry commission, and he is simple to other guys, including a man named Alfred P Southwick who was a dentist who's interested in this kind of stuff. He was like, you know, what being a dentist isn't scratching that a sadistic? Right. Here's basically like the founder of a high. Oh art, you know, exactly. So so the three of them get together, and they spent two years figuring out like looking at different ways of execution, and they looked at all of them, and they released this this journal report, like a formal government, New York state government report that details and chronicles all the different ways that you could officially kill somebody from precipitation, which is pushing him off a cliff to boiling them alive. Whether you want it to be, you know, molten lead or water doesn't really matter at that point to crushing from heavy stones, and they looked at thirty four different methods of edgy execution in detail. And they could -cluded that none of them were an improvement on hanging that yes. Some of them would definitely like provide the public spectacle. That would probably deter other people make them. Think twice about killing somebody. But definitely no more humane as inhumane is hanging could be especially about hanging. So they said, well, we're back to square one. But one of south L for peace outweigh thinks. He knows of a method that we haven't hit upon yet. And it was electric city. No he had seen a. A March brothers movie, and he said, maybe we should just drop a safe on someone's head as they walked out and sidewalk there like, yeah. I could kinda work. But if you miss you, just really main them terribly. Yeah. So he came upon electrocution as as what he felt was like the best way because electric city was this is where we get into like kind of things aligning and carbon arc lining becoming widespread and cities and people having streetlights and electricity in their houses was and in big cities was sort of a new thing, but it was super dangerous. And there are a lot of cases of people getting electrocuted. Those a drunken buffalo a drunk man who grabbed hold of a generator just to sort of see what it felt like died instantly. And that's when Southwick was like, wait a minute. I think we're onto something here if it can kill people just instantly. Then that's kind of what we're after. Right. So the thing is that whole instantly thing that's a little. Subjective. This guy. Right. Yeah. It happened one time. And then also like this is what an eyewitness standing. You know, a little ways away says happened, he died instantly. Are you fudging a little bit because instantly or not really kinda counts when you're looking for a new method of execution for a state to us over and over and over again, and to spread thrill all fifty states, basically, it's really important that it's instant, and they're like a it's instant, let's just look into this one because it's gotta be better than hanging. So they they did when they found out that that when it became public and announced that they were kind of forming a sub set to the Jerry commission called Chuck. The electric death commission. Best band name of all time. We have arrived at the band name everybody. Yeah. There's not a lot on this even looked into this a little more. And it's not it's not all over the internet, surprisingly, no, it's not. But it like I've seen it in some reputable sources of so it's not like it's just totally made up or a myth or legend or something like that. Yeah. I think I think it was it was basically, they said, okay. The Jerry commission is has done its job. We're going to set ourselves up in this own commission. The electric death commission to basically show that electrocution is a good and humane way to elect to take a life. Right. The state so Elfriede Southwick fell in with a guy named George fell. Appropriately enough, George fell was a surgeon. He was a tinkerer an engineer, and he became extremely interested in the applications of electricity to cause. Death as well. And so- Southwick and fell basically got together and formed this like weirdo cabal to figure out how to create an electric chair. Yeah. This part. I don't quite get because I know that I can hardly say the senate's out loud. But I know that they practiced on stray dogs like they electrocuted hundreds of dogs. But it says here they were supplied by the buffalo ASPCA not knowingly. Right. Yes. I saw somewhere Chuck that for at this time. Thanks to these guys that became the method of euthanasia that the local animal shelters used on stray animals. Really? Yeah. So I I guess they started testing on them and it became like. So so useful. I guess that they SPCA said, hey, bring your quit on over here. And they started using it to execute straits. That's what I saw a while. I'm sure they're not proud of that part of their history of project. Acting animals from cruelty. I'm sure that they are not actually like, please. Please. Just keep moving. I keep going talk about Thomas, Edison. Wow. So at the end of this and all of these dogs, they they basically came to that conclusion that we talked about earlier was that electricity will instantly destroy the heartbeat and the rhythm and death will be instant and painless and New York passed a state law saying basically in eighteen eighty eight this is the way forward for us. Yeah. And again, this is like this long after the time when the two guys provost and Batalli head shown this like the early eighteen hundreds I think that you could actually use electric city to restart somebody's heart. And then also now we know that actually electrically doesn't instantly kill you by causing take it does the opposite. The heart becomes like goes into safe mode to protect itself and. You have to hit it again to make it spasm. Go into fibrillation because that's what fibrillation is like in in non rhythmic heartbeat to where you can't actually pump any blood out. That's a heart attack. Right or they fibrillation cardiac arrest. That's not what happens when you get hit with the first jolt of city. So I don't know if fell and Southwick were just making this up or if it just happened that it did kill dogs like that. Or what maybe they were using a massive amount. Or maybe they're using just the right level of amps. I don't know. But they definitely demonstrated that this was this was something that could be done, but it wasn't just them. So I'm Cheney is to Southwick and fell who from everything I could tell we're aside from the fact that they killed a lot of dogs with electric city where legitimate scientists who were doing this to find a humane alternative to hanging. There was another guy who was the opposite of legitimate one. Wasn't a scientist and was a fairly shaded character named Harold Brown. Yes. So off to the side, you know, fell in Southwick built the first actual chair. Just park that there for a moment, and then we have to squat taking. No, don't sit there. Sit in the other chair. So we have to talk about the war of currents, which we've talked about on this. I think we did a whole podcast on this. Right. Yeah. We did. Like did did Nikola tesla. Change the way we use trinity answer. Yes. Yes. So we don't need to go roll it again. But just very quickly the war of currents that was a big war between whether or not we're going to move forward as a nation with AC power or DC power Thomas Edison, wanted that DC power that was he had invested heavily in that. So he was trying to make that went out. And then George Westinghouse, of course, in the other side was working head invested in AC power and Brown who you mentioned he actually worked for Edison. Is that right? Yes. But supposedly unbeknowst even testified under oath that he did not work for as when he very well very much did and had for years by that time interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Here's a shape ball. And I the one thing that I can't figure out Chuck is whether he was true. Truly a crusader against Westinghouse in AC power. Like, he genuinely thought it was dangerous, and then he fell in with us in or if he was an Edison operative from the outset that's what I've not been able to establish, but he was definitely working for at a Sohn secretly interesting. So the electric death commission get in touch with Edison. And then the grab stir put this together for us. And I thought this is very kind of great comparison. He said, you know, what happened next to sort of like if the government said to Pepsi. Hey, you guys are experts on soda how how should we kill someone with a soda and Pepsi was like here. We'll do lots of experiments that will prove to you that Coca-Cola will kill somebody very easily. And that's basically what happened is Harold Brown working with Edison did all these gruesome public electrocutions to show. How dangerous ace? C current was. So they would adopt it for the electric chair, which would intern in his mind, give AC current bad name. Right. I mean, that's is under handed is a kit. Like if you are in competition biz. That's like. Uber calling fake lift rides when they started out. So you remember that? Yeah. But this is way worse, but it's still in the same wheelhouse. But but that's what that's what Edison was doing is like, oh, yeah. Totally. Apparently, he declined. I participate have anything to do with this electric death commission. And then he was like, oh, wait. Yes. Actually, I have a great idea. I would like to be involved. I really see I suggest the AC current be used and he used Herro Brown to carry out this whole thing so much so that Harold Brown manage to convince the electric death commission that not only should AC current be used for the first electrocution in the state of New York, a Westinghouse generator should be used to generate that electrical current and he tried to buy some generators from Westinghouse. And they're like, no, no, you can't. We know what you're gonna do it those. So I ended up buying secondhand ones. And that kind of sets the stage for the first execution which. If you ask me is a really good point to take our second break agreed. 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It's August eighteen ninety and there's a guy named William Kimbler who was convicted of murdering his common law wife Tilly with an axe. And when he was caught he apparently done it in a drunken region. I I don't know if he felt remorse or guilt or was just bored with the whole thing. But he had a quote where he said something like, yes, I struck her with a hatchet. I intended to killer, the sooner I am hung and it's over with the better hanged hanged. I get that. Yeah. So the the sooner I'm hanged, and it's over with the better. And I guess he was not afraid of the news. But when he found out that they were going to use electrocute, and that he would be the first ever human being to be executed by the state with electric electric city. He was like, well, we'll we'll we'll whoa. What are you talking about again and started to file lawsuits? So he actually also became the first person to challenge the constitutionality of the electric chair as a means of execution. Yeah. That's kind of crazy factor. Think very first person to go to the electric chair was the first person to be like, I don't think this is right. Yeah. It's true. But the supreme court said no they ruled against Kamler and said, it does not violate the eighth amendment to the constitution. And he went what about the excessive bail, and they went I thought you were talking about cruel and unusual punishment and. He went whatever you want to hear. Yeah. So his execution. The very first one was by all accounts botched pretty severely in and of itself. Yes. So you remember how? What was his name Harold Brown managed to get Westinghouse generators used for that? I execute but he had to buy secondhand one. Yet the first jolt of electricity that was sent through William Kamler to kill him only lasted for seventeen seconds because one of the belt started to fall off the generator. So they had to stop before had killed him. And by all accounts, he was sitting there struggling with life left in them. And the New York Times reported that quote strongmen fainted and fell like logs on the floor at the site. Yeah. It was a terrible thing to say. And also if you look at the drawings of the of the execution that were used in the newspapers of the day, he's sitting there in a chair surrounded by people like Harold Brown, and George fell and Elford Southwick. And then the witnesses are all just milling around like standing around watching them like they're watching some guide like in a drinking contest or something. That's how he was executed. So I would imagine. Like, you know, it's it'd be bad enough to to be a witness to an execution today where it's real sterile in the it's really clinical. And there's a glass glass thick class window between you and the curtain comes down to standing in the same room with somebody who's being electrocuted. Just a few feet away. That's gotta be. It's gotta make it even worse. You know? Yeah. And so, you know, clearly, not a more humane way after this first execution, but they press forward because and I think Ed points out various stupidly that. There was something about the the fact that it was a use of technology that wasn't Tiro around someone's neck or just put a bullet in their head that it seemed less offensive to the public at large. I think because it's not the kind of thing like they didn't if you're not a witness to it. And you just read about something in the paper. It may seem like there is a an acceptable moral distance. Because of this technology. Right. Right. Right. So like hang when hanging came when hanging was under fire for not being humane new technology that kind of put more distance between just see more advanced. And because it was more advanced than this kind of technocratic way of thinking, it was more humane. It was more high tech. So it must just be better. That was kind of how the electric chair came to replace hanging. But even though that first one was simply botched the idea of it just made it allowed it to spread and from like all not all the accounts, but most of the accounts that I saw of that. I execute were just like this is terrible gruesome thea, this will probably never happen again. And then other states were like, oh, you cook them with electricity like like that idea? Let me try that too. And it spread fairly quickly and became far and away the dominant method of execution the United States in the twentieth century. Yeah. And there have been many many. You know, at the end, we'll talk about some some more botched executions. But I don't think there are any more. Legendary then Willie Francis in nineteen forty six he was executed in Louisiana for a murder that to call his trial questionable. In suspect is like an understatement. It seems like this guy was just totally railroaded. And you've mentioned gruesome Gertie earlier that was the name of the electric chair in Louisiana in this case for his execution. It was set up by a drunk prison guard who apparently didn't set it up correctly. It was total human error. So he goes down in history. As to my knowledge, the only person who has ever been executed technically twice or because he survived his botched executions such that he lived completely threw it. They couldn't use the chair. Anymore? And he actually lived to fight to say, hey, you can't do this again because that is totally that is definition of cruel and unusual. You tried to kill me once and it didn't work, and I'm here in court again. And the supreme court said now sorry, you're gonna have to go the chair again, isn't it? The the craziest thing ever heard crazy. So so the guy this wasn't like the guy's survived in there. Like quick throw the switch again. He's still alive we need to we need to, you know, finish the job or whatever you wanna call it. This was the electric chairs broke after going through a full execution. The guy's still alive. And let's for another year before they're like, all right? We fix the electric chairs time for you to die again. Yeah. And they did it twice in that second time that was that. But he. That's that is that's the definition of cruel and unusual. I agree with you entirely. Yeah. The interesting thing, though, is if you look there were statistics put together about four or five years ago that shows that the electric chair, and you know, like you said we did one lethal injection that starting in the late seventies kind of became one of the more preferred choices for most states, but as far as what you would consider botch percentage, the electric chair kind of leads the way except for the firing squad. Only one point nine two electric are categorizes botched compared to seven point one percent for lethal injection. Yeah. Which is pretty pretty good track. Record comparatively speaking, I guess, but then there's a really big point here too. It's like in a botched lethal injection at least from the perspective of the witnesses. That's vast. Preferred shirt to a botched electrocution where the person catches fire something like that. But absolutely. But here's the problem with all these with comparing like, botch nece and what's preferred. No. That one's much more. That's a much more tasteful botched execution this one. We because the medical profession said, we're we don't have anything to do with this. Like, yeah. Dr can be present to pronounce the person dead. But the doctor's not going to insist assist in any way, shape or form and still keep the medical license. We cause no harm. So we can't assist an execution. Right. Our understanding of execution is coming. It's like anecdotal like how to carry out an execution protocol you should use. Like, it's it's done by the people who are doing this almost through trial and error or from people's data where they executed dogs a hundred something years ago, and that was what was used to kill, you know, hundreds if not a thousand plus. Humans in actually. Yeah. Probably more than thousand humans in the United States in the twentieth century. The thing is this Chuck so so you can stop there pretty easily and just say like, so we we don't know if it was ever humane. We don't know if it does cause instant death people catch on fire, whatever. But you actually we've never known whether it does cause instant death. Because when you when you are autopsied after your execution. Your brain is cooked. Like invariably does one of the byproducts of an electrocute your brain gets cooked, basically through and through it can be like a hundred and twenty degrees Fahrenheit at autopsy. Still, you know, dozens of minutes or an hour or so later when your brain is removed. It's still that hot right? So we don't actually know if the electric chair, isn't humane or isn't painless. We don't really know. But then at the same time an execution whether it's tasteful or appears humane. It's it's yes, it's meant to be that way for the inmate, but it really is meant to be that way for society because it has to be palatable and tasteful for society or else societies. Like, no, we can't do that anymore. Like we did with hanging. And that is what happened actually with execution because of some botched executions in Florida in the nineties society said like we've gotta find another way of heard about this. Thel injection thing. Let's try that. Instead. Yeah. I mean, should we talk about some of these awful stories? Yeah. So let me see here. October nineteen eighty-five in Indiana electrocution of William van diver. I administration of twenty three hundred volts he was still breathing. The execution took a total of five volts. I'm sorry. Five jolts and seventeen minutes the smell of smoke of hair and flesh burning. The department of corrections said this, quote, the execution did not go according to plan. Yeah. They like to be droll. It sounds like how about Horace Franklin Dunkin's junior nineteen eighty nine in Alabama to jolts electric city nine minutes apart the first jolt failed to kill him. And the captain of the prison guard open the door to the witness room and said, I. We've got the jacks on wrong. They reconnect the cables correctly and death was pronounced nineteen minutes after the first charge. But the first charge. It's not like it wasn't painful if it was probably more painful than the second one because the second one produced death, but it was not a couldn't possibly produce the kind of voltage that would kill a person. It was basically, torture like a little little torture starter. Like, they have a TGI Fridays. And then that was followed by the entree, which was death, which is not supposed to happen. So again, if you'll kind of hearken back to the all these news stories coming out like, ooh, this is not how we're supposed to be executing people. What's going on? This is starting to go on in the eighties and early nineties around the United States with with electrocuting. Yeah. This one in Georgia nineteen Eighty-four alpha Otis Stevens, the first charge failed to kill him. He struggled a breathe for eight minutes. And they carried out the second charge after the first two minute power surged there was a six minute pause. So as body could cool enough, so physicians could examine him in that six minute period. He took Twenty-three breaths, which if you do the math, you know, and think about how intermittent those breaths are. And then the quote from the Georgia prison official was Stevens was just not a conductor of electricity. But how about that? And then there were three Chuck there were three in Florida that really kind of galvanize public opinion against electrocute Joseph or Jesse Joseph to pharaoh Pedro Medina. And a guy named Allen Lee Davis and to pharaoh Medina both caught on fire. I think to Faeroes head had like six inch flames shooting out from under the crown under the electrode on his head and Medina had like a foot flames and like so much that his whole. He's just chart is head was charged during the execution again. Again, we don't know that he actually suffered. But that's not what the public wants to see your read about when we're when we leave it to the state to execute people humanely. That's not supposed to happen. And then Allen Lee Davis, very famously had photographs taken of him after his execution in his face seems to be very clearly contorted and in a look of pain. He was a very big may like three hundred and fifty pounds and a tremendous amount of blood loss. It looks like it came out of his mouth, and maybe even his chest. But they later determined that it was it came out of his nose. But there's a lot of blood, and they also said like, well, the guy was on blood thinners. So this is pretty clear this happened. But it doesn't really mean anything. He got a nose nosebleed during the electrocute and the public's. We don't care. That's number three down in Florida alone. Go find something else. Try this lethal injection thing. Yeah. I did a did a list. Actually, I think Nebraska in two thousand eight was the last state to stop using the electric chairs primary source, but I was curious like which state just has executed the most people period by whatever means and Texas leads away. What? They have to stats since nineteen thirty since nineteen seventy six but Texas his executed eighteen hundred I'm sorry. Eight hundred and forty one people since nineteen thirty Georgia's number two actually with four hundred thirty six but since nineteen seventy six Georgia has executed seventy four people to Texas five hundred sixty three. Oh my gosh. And since seventy six Virginia's actually second and then Florida is third. Both have over a hundred would not have guessed Virginia, Florida. I probably would have guessed Texas. I knew but wow, that's a significant. That's a that's a long gap between number one and two. Yeah. In Texas is always been criticizes death penalty. Happy. I would say that's a fair characterization say proves wrong, Texas. You can't do it. Yeah. So so remember, we said that everybody was like, no, no, more electric. Let's find something else. They went to the lethal injection. Yeah. Which is supposedly more humane. Reading this article by a law, professor named Austin Austin Surat who basically said, you know, those two two prisoners in Tennessee in December of two thousand eighteen alone opted for the electric chair because they didn't have faith that lethal injection was going to be less painful or less prolonged they wanted the electric chair instead and that up to this point every time we've changed what our method of execution is it's been. Technologically. Speaking, socially, speaking of step forward in that in that kind of area and that going back to the electric shows a huge step backwards him at represents a major crisis in the legitimacy of the death penalty. And he was kind of wondering without saying it like is this is this the beginning of the end for the death penalty in the United States again interesting. I thought so too. But that's electric chairs you can buy one. Or you could I think it's all one sold in two thousand twelve Tennessee's old sparky sold in two thousand twelve I'm not mistaken. Really? Yeah. Online auction for twenty five thousand dollars Marilyn Manson. I don't know. I heard it was being put in a museum in Tennessee's probably not. Gotcha. But that's the lectures, like, I said everybody, and if you know more about them, you can go look around the internet. You can also just leave this behind forever. It'll kind of be nice to shed. This one because it was some grim research. Yeah. Since I say sorry for putting us through this Chuck this is Josh pick, buddy. Since I like halfway through research today. I was like man, I just feel bad right now. You know, and then he had a Panini and everything was okay. Yeah. It was a penny for sure. Sure. Since we said Panini, it's time for listener mail. I'm curious if you're gonna this is the one, Josh. But here we go. Hey, guys, just recently listened to started listening to podcasts because apparently, I'm a Luddite. So I've been waiting my way through the old episodes. I listened to the one on sounds, and I wanted to let you know, there is a holiday in just outside of Toledo Perry's Berg, did you see this? Yeah. I did. I responded actually. Okay. Well, I can't wait to hear what happened. It's it's called the holiday and French quarter which used to be a holiday home, and to which it is possible to have or was possible to have a pool membership. In addition to three polls in a large hot tub, the hotel has a large sound, and I am positive that. This is the Holiday Inn Josh's dad took him to when he was a kid staple for over fifty years. Unfortunately, the hotel will be closing the end of the month after losing its holiday and flag to a new build. That is from Deanna pollen. Yup. Is that the one no it's not, but I by family, my family used to go on staycationing at that. French quarter holiday really like to towns over and it was like, it was pretty awesome. When you're a kid, I think she's kind of under selling it. The three pools in the hot tub, like the pools were meandering all over the place like bridges over them. So you swam under bridges, they would go out. So they're indoor outdoor pools. It was pretty awesome, the my pool membership and saw a membership was that the Holiday Inn near Southwick mall, which that Holiday Inn is now a in assisted living tower. I believe but for a little while in between being a Holiday Inn and being in assisted living tower. It was abandoned and one of the coolest like photo sets. You can look at our Bannon hotels and somebody went to the trouble of getting photos inside this abandoned holiday, and it's really cool, including the pool. So just look up to think. Abandoned holiday in Toledo, Ohio Southwick mall. Maybe probably bring it out. Well, maybe I'll end up there. One day bring it full circle. Yeah. 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 Freshwater part 3: the clifftop evidence

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Freshwater part 3: the clifftop evidence

"Over the past two episodes today infocus. We've been delving into the case of the freshwater. Five men found guilty of a conspiracy to import two hundred and fifty kilos of cocaine in says they're innocent. Yesterday we looked at the circumstantial evidence against them today. We look at the one piece of direct evidence that i got a miscarriage of justice lawyer interested in this case earlier this month on an extremely cold and windy day on the isle of wight me and my producer. Josh go for a drive can break down in the country road in three narrow country lanes. This guy's guy on a ladder. Thank you to this car park very quiet today so here. We are where we meet up with. Emily bolton beginning the plod tennyson. Dan this war. I've done many times before she leads us up. This muddy footpath five steps and then seven five and then another step up. The winds steeply uphill see tennyson monument peeping from the top over the top of the horizon. They're assigned saying take care cliff. Edges can be dangerous. I didn't put up through the risk assessment and at the top. It opens up onto this. Grassy clifftop is focused. All of a sudden. The wind is battering us. That is gonna blow away and the entire horizon in front of says dominated by the say say the share white cliffs in modesto's but it's also beautiful in a rugged english coastline sort of way all the cases of all the criminal cases i've ever worked on from new orleans an all around the date south england. I've got to say this. One has the most spectacular alleged crime scene. We walk about twenty minutes along the cliff edge where just a barbed wire fence between us and the shit drop to the see below stuff off the edge and then we arrive at. What is maybe the most important location in this entire case said this spot that we've come to now on tennyson down. This is where the only piece of direct against the freshwater five is said to have developed from the guardian linage gristana today in focus freshwater part three the clifftop evidence before we into let me just quickly remind you of a few details from the previous episode in the prosecution time line. The ghawar picks up the drugs from the oriane just after midnight it then pastas around in the channel and in the waters around the isle of wight for about seventeen hours then it heads for freshwater bay which is where the eleven holders of cocaine would be found the next day by bandits late afternoon the weather has cleared up and the sun is shining. Now remember. I told you that two police officers said they saw items being thrown over the side of the gallois. Well this is where about happened. Up on the cliffs at tennyson down just along from the monument to alfred lord tennyson the victorian poet point. See as it was called a trial so tell me what happened that evening. Who were the police officers. Were they hair. And what was that role in the wider operation. Say the to clifftop. Officers were sa- condit from the local police force from hampshire police to assist with this operation. I think at a fairly low level basically. They just needed manpower. And these two officers were part of that group and somehow they end up here on tennyson down. They testified that they had one set of binoculars that they were sharing between the two of them decided to be calling in their observations of what they see. One of them was Holding a radio and reporting back to the longest. The the person who writes down what offices are observing and the other was slightly further out towards the cliff edge observing the goal. I'd say he's calling his observation so the two officers up on this clip specifically watching the gallois as it comes to bay and everything they radio across is being written down in a log by another police officer stationed somewhere else on the island. Emily brought a copy of that log onto the cliffs to show us. I'm concerned that having a copy of the in front of me on this cliff is going to result in it blowing out to say but it's like a bulk with margins on the left hand side. There's a column for the time of the observation. Then there is space to right. What's being said and on the right hand side. There's another margin for the observing officers to sign later so what we have here is Eighteen forty two s. You won one six. That's ago anymore. Numberplate is now stationary about a quarter of a mile from the coast facing east than eighteen. Forty five few more log entries like that where nothing much happens and then the really important one thousand nine hundred fifty three s. You won one. Six is moving westbound throwing six or seven items overboard intervals at trial. Men's said the if they were throwing anything in the about moment it was waste baked boxes and bags of rubbish specifically. I'll let donny say it literally action ship because it's not totally unbe and then when you come class tries to read on the shush nice but of course the prosecution said these weren't bags of rubbish but hold-alls full of cocaine If you've been listening closely you may have noticed something. Quite adding up the contemporaneous log. Entry from the clifftop office says says six to seven items but we know that eleven hold-alls were found in the sea the next morning. That is quite a big discrepancy. Now you may not think that matters and we'll come to that later but the first thing me and josh wondered was how clearly can you see over that distance. Could they have seen something but just not seeing it very well so we did an experiment. Okay let's see this right right. Maybe that's overstating it call an exercise. Original plan was for josh to get on a fishing boat and for somebody to drive him around exactly where the was eighteen fifty three. So what we're trying to establish was how clearly they would have been able to say what the guy throwing the edge. And i would stand up on the cliffs and say how clearly i could see what he was doing on the boat but as you know the weather was terrible it was windy. The see was rough which is looking out to sea now. And it's like ten foot waves like russian against the show. It looks absolutely horrible. And the fishermen wouldn't let josh onto his boat. Musset look easy so we improvised. So we've got this is a a site light diagram about five minutes down. The road is freshwater beach and above the beach some cliffs. We know where the officer said. They were at trial by mark that position on a map basically laps around and we know where the gal gadot was because it had a little computer on board recording its possession. So we're pretty sure that the officers were around three hundred meters away from the gallois when they made their observation so we saw. Let's see what we can see from that distance least scientific test advertisers right now. We were using some binoculars ball on amazon a few days earlier so not exactly industry standard police binoculars and it was a fairly cloudy borderline foggy day. Instead of the bright clear day when the clifftop observations were made good style for morrison's while just write it down on the beach. I climbed up to the top of the class and called him on my phone. I want to stress. This is the opposite of a scientific experiment. So i can see an walking away into the distance bulking up the beach of towards this little cliff. She looks quite far away from me now. so she's waving to me. i'm holding up an object. Can you tell what a box of cereal is apocalypse area can you. Can you know what type of cereal cheerios cheerios. You're right. they are cheerios. You've never seen before. I've never seen it wasn't that bad. I have to be honest with you. So i i am much very very from me from where i'm standing here. You just let speck in the distance I recognized immediately that it was a cereal box. And i think i saw recognize the front bet because i know a box of cheerios psych. Can you say no football. You're absolutely right right. Final on this is the this is the hardest hardest juncture tomorrow can anthrax. Fara were come onto the alphabet spaghetti. You saw i now tapes. The answer yeah spaghetti. Hoops just sets the guest he do. Yeah oh ooh that's the guy who said it'd be some type. Don't worry so. I don't wanna say experiment or should i are exercise. Proves anything conclusively. Maybe it's harder to say about down at sake but what it does tell me. Is there on a cloudy. Wintery day squinting through cheap binoculars. I could be pretty sure of what i was saying. Three hundred meters away and could even pick out enough detail to recognize fairly quickly a can of spaghetti hoops okay back up to the cliffs. Maybe they didn't record what i saw very accurately because they just didn't think it was significant at the time. Was there anything to indicate that the officers fell at the time they'd seen something significant. The accounts from the offices at trial on that point are inconsistent So one of the offices states that he was very wary of the significance of what you've seen found it very suspicious and you know. He's on drugs operation. He's been tasked to look at a suspect vessel and he seems something thrown in the wta The other officers said that he didn't find it significant. Did the offices take photographs. Not no photographs were taken. The officers were asked if they took photographs. They said they didn't have a camera. One of them had already indicated. He had an iphone with him. He was asked whether or not he took a photograph with the iphone. And he said he didn't know how to so this moment in time. This is what seems to be going on. At least going from what was recorded in the logs at the time the two police officers are up on the cliffs. The lock says they saw sixty seven items and the fishermen say they have an innocent explanation for not exactly a smoking gun at this point. You know what happens next. But golly i'd leave the bay goes around the needles the rock formations on the western tip of the island and back to its home. Harbor yama ben. The soccer offices arrest the man. The to clifftop officers are actually there for this arrest. Then the police search the boat and find nothing given the clifftop officers are there and had just told the longest that this ferry boat had unloaded items at freshwater bay. It's not clear why the search doesn't move that at this point then. The clifftop offices gay back to their hotel the next morning. Those two officers are ready to leave the isle of wight. They are literally at the ferry terminal waiting to depart. Ben eight thirty a m. The drugs have found not by the police. The random fishermen eleven hold-alls all tied together with rope attached to a boy in the bay. Not too far from where those officers have been watching the guy out the previous evening. The fishermen calls the coastguard. The coastguard calls the police so by now soccer offices know what has been found. Then there's a debrief which is basically a meeting where the police officers discussed their observations whether supposed to sign their observations in the right hand margin of the logbook. The to clifftop officers aren't and according to a later investigation by the independent police complaints commission. A record of the meeting misleadingly suggests that they are then at about ten. Am according to their cross examination in the original trial just as the clifftop offices are about to leave the island. One of them gets a phone call. It's the operational commander a senior soccer officer. He tells them come. Meet me in a car park. And according to the testimony of one of the clifftop officers he reveals that the drugs have been found at trial. This car park was described as being a small one in west near the chain link. Ferry josh insisted that we go to a car park and he thinks maybe he's found the woman they met up in the only one that fits that description this is. This is my My educated guess. I'm not sure anyway. We park our nathan this window and ask you and emily rolls down the window repair fierce panda and so here. We are in this emily. What happened next. So what happened. According to the clicked offices is that they were invited to meet the kamanda's and sat in the back of his car. I'm were presented with the log that had just been debriefed by all the other offices in the operation and were invited to review their observation of six or seven items going overboard intervals. So what had happened by this time. What you've got to remember as by the time that the clifftop officers is sitting in the back of commanders car in a car park in cows the drugs ready been found the amendment acts. Which is the letter of the alphabet they used to tag their amendment says the appeared to be dark in color and approximately the size of a large hole. They were tied together on a line and would dispatch from the boat one after another totaling ten to twelve. The last item was a red floating. Boy the six or seven items over two intervals. Which is the original log. Entry now exactly mirrors the items found in the water that morning. You can see why the defense focus so on this in the original trial. This was the key eyewitness evidence. Police officers saying they had seen the man. Unload an exact description of the drugs into the say slam dunk trial. The officer closest to the cliff edge said his recollection was of ten to twelve holes going overboard and he wasn't sure why sixty seven items have been recorded instead the second officer who radioed in the citing accepted that he sat six to seven items adding. He didn't think it was relevant to update the number or the description of what we're seeing in her evidence the longest said maybe she misheard because of a poor radio connection either way. Emily archies sixty seven. Doesn't sound anything like ten to twelve. There's another thing that this may. They've seen ten to twelve holders being thrown overboard when they are stationed to observe a specific boat of interest in a drugs operation to see whether it does anything suspicious. Wouldn't the operation react when they radio said that just caught the man in the act. Doing exactly what they were stationed to see whether they would do. Why wouldn't they alert more senior officers that as the question and they the clifftop officers did say that they had called a senior officer however that senior officer was contacted and said he did not receive the goal at trial. Nobody else could recall this phone. Call being made but if they had just said to a senior officer. Hey i've just seen holds being thrown into the say. Why did the police immediately go around in a boat and find them remember. The police clearly don't know where the drugs are until the next morning testimony at trial is very clear on this. Even then it's not the police who find a random fishermen at trial. The position was that nothing was done about the siting at eighteen fifty three. No one reacted. No one sent anybody to check out the items. No one asked the clifftop offices to remain on location keeping the item secure nothing. No reaction from the operation whatsoever was what we were told trump and then the clifftop offices went to their hotel ready to leave the island as a passage in the judge's summing up about all of this there is really striking. I'm going to read it directly if the crown or able to rely on that evidence than it would indeed be very strong direct evidence. And it's a matter for you. He's talking to the jewelry. It's not a matter for me. But he goes on. It does seem extraordinary. Does it not that. If these offices knowing that they are involved in an operation to detect drug smugglers. See what they have seen the night before but that prepare to leave. The island apparently completely unaware that the significance of what they have seen has been missed by everybody and then again he says to the jewelry. It's a master for you. not for me. i'm gonna be honest. All of this baffle me. The explanation as to why the law had changed from one thing to the other isn't very satisfying and it seems really where the soccer didn't react there and then if two of their officers had just seen the drugs being thrown into the say i wanted to ask the police directly like i said before the ncaa which is what soccer is now called. Couldn't talk to us for this series. We also approached a number of retired soccer officers to see whether they could speak to us on the record and they all sat now but from some of them and the police experts. We did hear concerns like why was. Nobody's taking any photographs. Why were these two local offices being used to watch the gallois instead of soccer's own highly trained officers some raise questions about the way. The logs were written and the timeline of events and they asked why was nothing followed up. Did the to clifftop officers. Not tell that colleagues what they had just seen as they watched the gallois crew being arrested for the former detective. Chief inspector lee davis who we heard from the previous episode. Says it's normal officers to amend locks. It happens all the time and thinks he can understand what happened that night. And if you ever organized a big operation like this one many times many tell him so around firearms around human traffic in an around drug so my role is on. The eastern regional does chrome unit. Was i was head of the operations directorate. So we would pickled as operations up. And i had a number of senior investigating officers. Who would say under me. Who would run these operations on day to day basis but each of them were reported to me daily so we could discuss the way forward partnership work in a bisque assessment and so know their complicated bail time consuming and they test you would wear long. Can you tell me about the price of logging. How does actually work said logos. Job is to try and make sense of only information comes into them and for them to log bought. It's not an easy job. Okay and have you ever done that yourself. You have been a look yet. Up in august Many many years. Ago when i was a young pc would be logan on operations. So i know how pressurized an environment that that logging can be. How challenging. Because of course you've got various people communicating on the radio. Sometimes you just miscall. Somebody's cosigns quality shoulders token to you'll have to try and seek clarification that and went in that you dose at his quite possibly that you'll ever be brief enough of offices on what's happening. Is it class stressful massively stressful and would you expect what is recorded to be accurate at the time. Well it will be accurate in terms of what the longest has heard and banai boots copy them. It doesn't mean and it will have to be the case that when you didn't speak to those officers in debrief what you've gotten. You won't correlate to exactly what they've said for stop physically. You can't always get that message across in as much detail as you. Physically say as longest receiving information understand. It's come from and in into context their oprah in is challenging so now wouldn't expect everything that's written in log to stay in that format when you do you. Daybreak they're frequently be changes. I think the question you ask me is. Would i be suspicious when there is only one observation point and when the log therefore has to be changed. The answer to that is now. I wouldn't be surprised because knife. And the reality of having undertaken that ask how many challenges there are in terms of getting a phone or a radio message fruit two longest in the environment and being able to record exactly what's been said because it isn't the ideal world isn't people sitting in a nice quiet ray where they can pick up the phone and tighten. Its all making a coat that trying to do it. Amongst the chaos of events maeve in front of him maintaining observation and concentration and being able to communicate atoll. I'm and in a manner that the public around among gotta get suspicious so they're not working in an ideal environment. What would say to you is that log has been in front of the judge and the judge has made a role in on the admissibility of the evidence an decided it could be included and but the judge data. I'm citing said things about this. Were extrordinary and casaus gave a couple of them. Because i definitely see what you're saying about the chaos definitely see what you've done which is really helpful is bringing it to life to feel quite different when i'm reading on a piece of paper but i do think it is where they radio in or at least that the longest hayes. What may radio in a six to seven as opposed to tend to twelve 'cause to me the moment at which you remember most clearly what you say is the moment at which he said and i don't think six to seven sounds like ten to twelve and yet the next day after the drugs are found cool but to a car park and then they amend the logs to almost exactly what's been found a k. So look as a senior investigating officer. What a somebody had seen six or seven bags being put into the or eleven twelve being put into the general. It doesn't matter to me. What if say is some activity. Where some bags. If they'd put into the say. I wouldn't be concerned if i saint six or seven and went. I'll get off on eleven or twelve. That's a bonus. You wouldn't expect those offices to be at every single bag that was put into say obey Identify i is one that went in particular song that went in particular. Talk to me is academic. It doesn't influence the evidence that we present. It just means the amount that nice. I'd say is different. But they're not gaining anything. If they originally say. I didn't see anything. Be put into the cnn info. Dan in a log. He said he say yell. So lots of items bid put into the same as an be fitness thing. hang on. i'm concerned it. Explain this to me the difference train. Six or seven and eleven and twelve put into putting into the is navy head ariza. We'll never know. I think that's the ball club would never know what if he goes change. But i don't think it contaminates the evidence that's presented to coal eighth fm. You'll be commanding officer in this case right. And they see police officers have seen something that once you once. All the facts come together clearly looks really. Don't j. seven items being thrown off the side of the be that you're interested in but at that point you don't know that there were drugs and then later you know that the drugs are found. You absolutely believe one hundred percent. What they saw with those drugs being like lopped off board. Is it multiple they will. I absolutely certain that is what may saw and they sharpened up. The evidence occurred all onto this totally honestly for how would upright. How much would uprights not a chance of that happening. Absolutely no chance of that happening. Why because we will get to a certain level and we are in. We are eight and We are in late jobs that hard to get into and we don't ever wanna lose. There is not a coat it would be a coach at any team. We would allow that to happen because you don't need it to happen. It's ridiculous and we always had the macho. No job is worth my job. So i would always be signed martinez. You integrity comes. I if i can't trust you as an individual account of you work in the environment so the concept don't treat evidence to make it more compelling is ridiculous honestly genuinely is ridiculous because you know what bob until it would be if we don't get him tonight and they're doing this. We'll get them into weeks talk. We'll get them into munster gettman tubes on it doesn't happen. I promise you in every vomit ever worked. It does not happen. We don't shop in evidence. There is no point the risk of what would happen to you against what you gain is just not proportionate coming up another drugs bust and another set of amended locks. There's one more thing that i want to tell you about. In the course of researching this we came across something else. It was a judgment from a court of appeal case a seemingly unrelated case until you realize that it involved the same longest and the same operational commander the guy who in the car park while the clifftop offices amended the locks and it turns out when you read that judgment that about eight months earlier the same individuals were involved in another drug smuggling surveillance operation and the logs were amended in that case to a woman came through security at gatwick apple with two and a half kilograms of cocaine and another guy was on the other side of security. He was supposed to be part of the conspiracy to the contemporaneous. Lac reported the woman coming three and then about twelve hours later an amendment was made. The new entry described the woman raising her left arm with her fist clenched and lowering it. While making eye contact with the man who then smiled as in like doing a fist pump. They got the drugs into the k. None of that was recorded. At the time it was written later in debrief there were other amendments to and it was suggested in that case to the longest must not have been writing down everything that was said. The court of appeal judgement in the gatwick case said the alterations to the logger. Extensive the evidence of the officers was inconsistent and notable detail relied on by the offices in evidence was lacking in the original section of the log. The court ended up quashing the conviction it went to retrial. On the jury acquitted the court of appeal actually referred to the freshwater case to case and in fact failure to explore the clifftop evidence in the freshwater case had a bearing on why the gatwick conviction got quashed would. The chronology is complicated even though the events that happened before freshwater the gatwick trial but the court of appeal was considering happened after the freshwater trial and the court of appeal decided that the freshwater stuff the stuff about the clifftop officers should have been disclosed in the gatwick trial. And because it wasn't the conviction was unsafe. This is the court of appeal referring to the freshwater case in our judgment it would have been open to a jury to conclude that events tended to indicate that and then they name our operational commander and locust were prepared to break the rules as regards compiling observation logs. There is sustainable basis for a court to conclude that the senior officer had taken steps to persuade two local offices to give false observation evidence that linked the fishing boat with the whole dolls that were later discovered so another case some of the same offices and a similar amendment to the locks in that case but conviction was overturned in the first episode. You might remember me saying but nikki green made a complaint. The ipc say that's the independent police complaints commission as it was called back bam well. They looked at all of this bay found inconsistencies in the evidence of the clifftop offices. But these were not sufficient to demonstrate that they had advocated their accounts. It was also accepted that there had been failings in the administration of the logs. There was no case to answer regarding misconduct. And one thing. I wonder about is how all of this actually affected the trial. With the notable exception of the stuff that emerged in the court of appeal case everything else we've talked about in this episode was discussed in the trial. The two clifftop officers were cross examined. Read the transcripts and they were pretty tough cross. Examinations said the judge called some of the evidence extraordinary. It was all heard by the jewelry and the men were still convicted. I spoke to other criminal defense. Barristers about what might have happened in this case hot. This evidence been kept out of core entirely. I'm one of them. Said it's possible that they still might have been found guilty on the strength of everything we've had in the previous episode in the uk a jurisdiction where it's illegal to talk to members about their deliberations. We can never ask questions like that. We can never know. And it's a fool's errand to gas. But what about. If there was more evidence evidence that wasn't heard at the original trial evidence that would have suggested that it may have been completely impossible for the freshwater five to collect the drugs and that there might have been another suspect boat in the area at the time that's tomorrow in freshwater part for we went to the national crime agency the successor to soccer about this episode putting specific allegations to them and asking if the individual officers wanted to comment but they said it would be inappropriate comment with the court of appeal hearing next week as did the crown prosecution service. The independent office for police complaints the successor to be independent police. Complaints commission did respond to our request for a statement. They confirmed that the ipc carried out an investigation into whether to soccer police officers colluded to manufacture evidence to support the prosecution case in the freshwater case a spokesperson said. The ipcc started an investigation in july. Two thousand twelve which concluded in march twenty thirteen having examined the evidence given the criminal trial obtained accounts from the officers involved in the operation unlocked at mobile phone records. It determined the while there were inconsistencies in the evidence provided by two of the offices they were not sufficient to demonstrate that the officers fabricated their accounts. Furthermore there was no evidence to suggest that the third officer conspired with the other two to manufacture evidence the complaints that these three officers propagated evidence and committed perjury with therefore not upheld. That's it for today. Thanks for listening to this series. We'd love any reviews and tweets. This series is produced by josh kelley with support on today's episode from alex attack. Sound design and original music is by execute. The executive producer says film may not aniko jackson. We will be back with par full tomorrow.

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Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast 12/30/20--Year in Review Day 2

The Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast

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Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast 12/30/20--Year in Review Day 2

"Narrow maximum security has been defeated king for a day. This is the jason beam horse racing. Podcast brought to you by twin. Spires your daily home for horse racing news interviews wagering discussions and more. Here's your host jason. Be route of good wednesday morning. Y'all come into the jc. Moore's racing podcast year interview day to here on the program. Appreciate everyone joining us. On this december thirtieth penultimate day of the year twenty twenty. We will do our the final part of our year in review on tomorrow's program but today we will scour through the months of may june july and august taco. Some of what happened in the racing world. What happened here on the show. What happened in my life in all of that kind of fun of kind of a quiet day. You know nicely On the the racing front as talked a little bit about the integrity safety act You know that kind of continues to get discussed. I feel like with so much. Legislation is cliches. That line was from way. Back in the obamacare debates. Like you kinda gotta read. It's no you talking about. And i just don't have that ambition to read through something big and long and such formal like i went to law school for a little while and i hated it and part of the reason i hated. It was like just reading dry stuff all day long. And i'm someone who likes to read wrote a book. For god's sake southbound bite on amazon But i just cannot read the dry long litigious Isn't the right word. But that kind of stuff like he just does i. I don't process it. I get bored with it. And i check out and then And then i'm done with it. So i for people smarter than me to to read. Listen to many different opinions. And and i'm sure a lot of you guys have opinions. And if you want to share those by all means jason charles be mitch mail dot com as we're doing the year in review if you want to Email me with some of your favorite parts throughout the year then by all means. Send those in You have favorite guest. You liked hearing during the year. I always love hearing feedback on on guests. When i was going through the the archives and looking at who we had on these certain months. It's funny for horse player thursdays. We get a lot of replies pretty quick after the episodes. Come out and it's usually oh so and so it was really great. I really love their insights. Or it's like way the opposite. It's like this this person's clueless why you have them on And then i'll get some emails. Oh need to have. This guy is sharp guy in this guy's jerk like this and i'm like well there's not a lot of like super sharps out there and so when we have them on it's great but you gotta remember that like every week the you're not going to be listening to the best of the best in otherwise i'd have ten guest on a rotating basis but you know we try. I try to bring people not only you know. I think good ports player minds but interviews people who just interesting people who are fun to talk to one of the ones. I got a lot of good feedback. This year that i thought was so much. Fun was davis From the horse players team rotondo crew like just hearing his story about how he got into racing and follows it and plays the racists. I thought was great so You know it's it. Thursdays are usually without fail. Our most downloaded day of the week show. And so i definitely want. Keep the horse player. Focus on that day and you know we talk about Horse player issues or betting talks all the time even not on thursdays and That will certainly continue to guide. I think the the overall compass of the show will be through that lens Kind of as it has been. I think for a couple years now. I don't think it necessarily started that way. But i think that that's where most of our audience resides. But i do like to mix it up and it's talked up different participants in the game whether it's jockeys trainers media race callers You know or or horse player. So we're gonna. We're gonna keep with that as i said i might tinker with formats every so often in part of part of that is just me wanting to kind of get over my rigidness and i don't wanna get to routine happy. I think i. I felt like there was a period trying to think when it was there was a little chunk this year where i was feeling like i like i was going through the motions a little bit with the show and i think some of that was the routine of of the structure and then some of it might have just been you know twenty twenty and you know it's been kind of a weird. I finally hit. I was talking to a a friend who shall remain anonymous We'll just say that They work for a competitor. But we're friends. And she and i were talking about kind of you know just how each other was doing and i said you know i really this last week. Like around christmas time. I hit the boredom factor in with covid. Like i'm j- it's raining here in seattle lots. He can't go out and do stuff so like my day is just wake up research. Prep for the show. If i have an interview to the interview in the morning And then you know do stuff in the afternoon for either the next show or just following the racing in general or sitting around and i take my walk at evenings some days if i have extra time or today off. I'll go drive around but he can't go do anything and so i just. I found like the last week or two. I was really bored. And i know there was a point earlier in the summer where i wasn't bored. I was just tired because you know is working a lot but also just the thing for me with with the lock ins and everything like it's just like this gloomy thing that's like you just know is out there and people are sick and all that stuff and it's i don't know for me it's just been a. It's i've had great moments this year. Fun moments and i've been able to luckily work and do some fun things but it just seems like there's always this kind of constant that's out there still so That's kind of my try to figure out how to remedy that. I'm going to go out. And i think do a little day trip on friday and hopefully that'll kind of you know i'm just. I'm someone that likes to get out of the house. Even though i work from home i'm a i'm a like to get out of the house guy and Just tough with the weather and covert and everything else. So i know a lot of you guys are dealing with that kind of stuff and and you know whether it's boredom or whether it's stress or whether it's fear or whatever it is believe me i get because i have so anyways let's let's start our look back like i said there wasn't a ton of i felt like news coming out in the world of racing a lot of. We're starting to hear a lot of you know who's going to pegasus. Who's going where kind of stuff true timber. I think they announced is Is planning to go to the pegasus world cup They said. Mr guide is possibly not going to be going to the the world cup. Pletcher is apparently going to have three runners Going four the pegasus world cup but turf and One of those Being social paranoia l'argent Who i'm a big fan of and a colonel. Liam all i guess planning on going to the pegasus turf and we'll of course continue to monitor any news. That comes out during this week as we get set for as we do our year in review but You know we still want to keep a gentle eye out for what's coming up on the horizon so we left off yesterday talking about racing in april. I got an email from a listener. They were talking about how you listen to the holy bull stakes and hearing some of the names. And what's so strange about this sport. I guess it's not strange. It's just you know. In in most regular sports careers are obviously often longer. I would say football is maybe the one where that's not so much the case where football. They'll be guys who were stars and then a couple years later they're out of the league and they're not even that old seems like basketball the stars even if they aren't as good they hang around a little bit longer kind of same with baseball but with racing. You know a star obviously many of a stay around for a year or two or sometimes longer when we're lucky but with one or two good races a horse will kind of jump up into the star picture and then just as fast kind of be out of it or a horse who wins a couple allowance races and you know maybe trump up and tries stakes racing and so you know you hear them in a race like the holy bull or something like that. It's just funny. How fast they kind of come into your into your world and then out of your world at least in terms of the top and I was even thinking about when i looked at the louisiana derby like wells by winning the louisiana derby. And i'm like i. I i remember thinking i'm like who the hell's will spy i remember. Okay it was. Brad cox horse. I remember that. And then. Of course one terry and then he went to. I think iran at one of the arkansas derbys and then we haven't seen him since. But what just shook me is you know. That's the biggest race of the year at fairgrounds. It's one of the biggest five derby preps and like i. I so much has happened since then that that was not in my brain that wells by you was you know a thing let alone a big important race winner but But here we are so you know the end of march and april again. We talked about that was really when everything started shutting down because of covid track started restricting. I was looking back at some some charts and you just see you know oaklawn gulfstream tampa fodder and will rogers for a little while and then i remember remington quarters at some point. Cut a jumped into the mix and then as we got into may may was really when everybody started coming back Not everybody but a lot of people. I think charlestown was one of the early ones to come back. And churchill of course came back at the end of may California came back in. May that was when they started. You know the there was a documentary. Came out recently about the The trailers and how they kind of set up a little bubble at santa anita park. And you know may was at the time. I remember thinking like okay where we turned the corner on this whole thing. And we're going to you know because when it was first starting out. I don't i don't think a lot of people knew it was going to be a three week thing six week thing a two month thing. I remember in march thinking like we're going to be in our houses till may will be kinda back to normal and i remember all the long range forecast. Were saying that you know by august. I like everything would be done and That's kind of how. I was thinking living back that time of year and and may came around. I think what happened was everybody that had cancelled many. You know. I think a lot of people a lot of tracks canceled because they had to or be. They thought that was what was best monmouth. You know where new jersey had such a big outbreak. Obviously they were just not going to start. Now i'll talk about monmouth here a little bit. But once i think we as a society started getting a little bit of a hold on it just at least what was going on and maybe certain precautions helped to stall this as we saw numbers kind of drop a little bit into april. And may you know we saw track starting to open up and and to me. It was like okay. Things are coming back a little bit here. to me that's what may is most remembered for at least Myself was just starting to come back including in the world of racing. I mean we. You know kentucky. Derby weekend is always the first saturday. It was definitely strange. Not having the kentucky derby in that usual spot It's i remember when the derby was run in september. And obviously we'll talk about that tomorrow show but i remember thinking like you know with because the nhl playoffs the nba playoffs. Were all going on there in august. And then we lead into the first saturday september and like i was back from colonial and my like my biological clock but just like internal clock was so as skew for the simple fact that the derby was that were normally was like my brain just associates that race with a time of year and and it just was was different this year I remember that oaklawn put on a very great arkansas derby card and they had two divisions they moved the race back because a we can run it whenever we want right. I mean it's you know it's it's the it's not so much prep anymore even though it was a points race But clearly everybody was going to have to adapt their schedule for how they wanted to lead their horses. In to the first saturday in may and you know i still think that most barnes placed the most paramount importance on that race. I think everybody still wanted to be ready on the first saturday. In may there was people took different tactics to get their me. Tis the law You know went won. The belmont ran. The trump won the travers and took that path. They're kim gmo. You remember even. Though he didn't end up running was going to You know just be off and beyond full rest coming into that race and so it was. I think a little bit of a test for horsemen and how to navigate the ship to still what was viewed by most as the most important three race of the year anywhere and so that was kind of fascinating to watch how it played out And like i said arkansas derby kicked off in that early may spot. very exciting. dull beacon guillermo charlatan. But i thought kind of proved himself like know the tampa race. Fifty to one. You can make some reasons like okay. Maybe it was just kind of a fluke but similar to mine that bird the preakness like mary. He won the derby number like well. This source is still kind of a bomb. And then he ran a good race and defeat and the practice. Okay maybe he's all right. So sources scott's And i thought it was a little bit of the same for that for kim gear mo and then charlotte defeated basin. But of course Placed ninth due to the positive infraction and base. In your arkansas derby. that's that's gonna be some big-time trivia a few years. Yeah may was just a it was a bonkers time But it did seem like it was kind of the return to you. Know things coming back to to normal a little bit May was when i actually. I think it was actually april but it was the end of april early. May when i accepted the job at grants pass downs to announce their i When i left monmouth in november of nineteen Had meeting with management there and they said they were very nice they said we don't we love having you here. We really appreciate you come in and And everybody likes you know. We'll we'll catch up in the new year and we'll figure out what we're doing for next year. Obviously it would depend on frank schedule and everything and but his schedule is likely to be the same. So i said okay. Great and part of that way as cova start happening and as other things were happening in the world of announcers you know they called. They're like you know we think we're probably gonna not bring you over But we don't know for sure and it was kind of this waiting game a little bit. And i'm like well crap the sucks. I wanted to go back. But obviously i don't wanna go back when it's you know covert and then. They ended up pushing their start back. I think to the fourth of july. And so frank was going to be back there anyways and so but right as the like two days after the. Hey we're not sure how we're gonna do this. Call with monmouth grants pass called and they said hey you know. What are you doing in the spring and summer. And i said well. I don't know on monmouth yet. I said but you know. And i'm going to colonial for sure. And you know they. It's the they're starting the end of july or middle of july and going till the first weekend in september. You know what's going on. And so they had been fought just from knowing people in oregon and then spending a lotta time down there. I follow grants pass first year and i knew michael ronin called the racist there In the fall when they converted to a pair mutual commercial meat they'd always been fair track And so i stopped by there. I was coming back from california. Okay this no. This was back way. Back in february when i stopped by their or may yeah march is right before covert and i kind of just this is before. They even asked about the announcing. I just wanted to see the place. Because i heard they remodel and it looked incredible compared to what it had been i had gone on a first date there in the summer of two thousand eighteen. It look like a completely different place but they told me that michael you know obviously taking the job at los alamos In the you know and they were interested. If if i was interested in i kind of had to put him on hold for a little bit because i said look i. I did it last year. I feel like i owe it to myself into them to kind of see out it whether or not this happens or not And so there was a couple of weeks there where and i felt terrible. Because i'm like. I don't want to keep these and i told him i was like look. If you need to find somebody else 'cause they were supposed to start in In early may but then with covert. They had to cancel the first month so they ended up starting in early. June and i told him i was like if you know if you need if you want the peace of mind of having somebody and you don't want to wait for me and i'm hoping that all this is figured out soon You know i understand but so kind of and then as it turned out monmouth called and they were like yeah. you know. we're we're not gonna need to this year. And so i said okay and so i called grants pass back up and we You know i throw a number out and they said yes and we were. We were often right but it was a really great experience for me. Go in there. Just a lot of the reason because i know so many the horsemen and and people there I was shocked. How many old portland meadows horse players. Who had made the trip down. Because the first month you had to be a licensee or an owner or something like that to get in the fall meet. We ended up being able to have some fans in the fall in particular. Like i'd see people that used to see a portland all the time and they'll hey man we made the drive down and so i just had a lot of fun at grants pass. This year june was was really when i started Getting into smoking meat. I bought a smoker and that became like my i think most people i know like took up something new during the pandemic matz and for me. It was smoking meat and it's like barbecues become a whole fun hobby but back on the race track. In the month of june. Of course i mentioned churchill downs returning and i think one of the highlights of the season and you know i i could argue one of the neat stories of the year was miguel. May not getting the right. One of the side effects of cova was there was a lot less jockey travel and so we saw a lot of new writers getting shots on writing good horses especially if they were running at smaller track charlestown classic. It was like all the local guys riding And that was kind of a neat thing but for some reason to me. Stephen foster at toms data with mcgill may not board really stood out to me is kind of a moment of of twenty twenty by my standards looms and outside asked to go now but thomas. Data willingly has taken the lead. Tom state ta opens up to lead by two by my standards and pirates punch back it out second and third sober dust is now fourth there off the turn thomas day tosh shaken up shaking up to three length weighed by my standard is trying hard but he still second silver dust. Multiplayer trying to come on for fourth sixteenth to go. Its total for tom. State ta man. Nbc does not shy away from the hoop south. Good lord the great travis. Still with the call travis of course joins us on the program this year in twenty twenty. I think we've had travis on. I guess probably once a year for i started doing the show but yeah big win for For tom's day tom. Miguel main a certainly a a neat part of Twenty twenty and they're winning june. I would say the big day jud of course was was belmont stakes day and tis the laws. You know huge win. You know dare. I say historic win of the difference in distance because of covid because of just the horse himself and the connections barkley and saratoga now having won all of the triple crown races. But you know it's funny. Belmont was in recent years has been. It's become one of the best days of the year. And i would argue this year's day as a whole was pretty not great like it was you know and i don't say that to be a jerk or anything but it just wasn't it wasn't the the mondo card we've gotten used to but said at the time and i still think now like everything was a little bit out the the window this year and i just i personally was no point. Was i going to sit and hold things against tracks or connections. I mean certain things. There's some things that you know cove or not should have been done or did it were done but at that but You know just because it wasn't you know twelve horses in every race since amazing fields. You know gambling won the acorn by eighteen legs or something at three to five. There was a lot of short prices. Sweet malania one. You know the kind of a down edition of the wonder again which was Just not a very good race. The pine ridge decorate invader with three to five and one easy It was just not really funding. I think for me. The highlight was no parole. Winning the woody. Stevens mega moss. Always been a big fan of maggie and thomas scoring and that one with sayas going to wire. I can argue. The twenty twenty was the year. I started putting louis sayas at the top. The top of my My writer standings for sure happened at twenty twenty. I just feel like the guy always puts horses and good spots and give them chances to win and to me he's the guy one on my horse. No doubt if i if i had a horse and if i had a horse who was good lewis is would probably be the guy to To get them out on it but Yeah belmont stakes day in the books. Those first couple of months may and june of this middle part of the year. Some of the guest we had on the show steve anderson the voice of fodder park who i think we all became familiar with during march april. An intimate join us on the program. Kenny mcpeek join us. We talked a little bit about swiss skydiver. Who had of gotten hot at that point. We winning the the gulfstream oaks and the race over arkansas for the three year old fillies always great. We'll get catch up with kenny. Dave valente the track. Phantom joins us air zimny president of President but they had dude over to charlestown kevin. Kirsty john nichols clock or join us. Ryan hansen southern california trainer. Join us mentioned. Lee davis earlier. He was a guest on the show in. May and you can go back and find all these shows. Just go to twin spires dot com slash blog and click on the podcast lincoln. They're all in their june michelle level. Join us churchill. Based trainer really enjoyed that interview. David eric gonna join us. Usually once or twice a year always love. We get to hear from david. I would say sneakily. Top five interview of the year was gary mandela back in june Dave doug the golden gate fields talked to talk with us just about getting the track reopened about all the precautions. They had to take with cova. Obviously you know after this a few months later. They had that terrible outbreak. So david was really nice with air generous with time so really appreciate him and wish them the best of luck Danny cole will join us back. In june kevin gorge from a fox. Sports north up in minnesota. We talk some canterbury. We talk His career and more my friend paquet joins us on the program. Ramon dominguez joined us back in june. That was a lot of fun. And i know a number of you. Your favorite horse player thursday. This year was dennis montoro. Who joined us back in the month of june as well. So let's take a quick time out and we come back. We will talk some july august on our year in review here on the jason being horse racing podcast brought to you by twin spires twin spires not only operas the best way to play the racist from your desktop or mobile device but we also have great offers for our players. Visit twin spires dot com slash offers to check out all of our great daily promotions from our players. Pick four bonuses to win sheri- thoroughbred to harness. We offers present promotions for all types of races and all types of tracks visit twin spires dot com slash offers to find out. What operas are available to you. Jason beam worst racing. Podcast brought to you by twin spires. Is your home for daily thoroughbred horse racing conversation. Join host jason bean. Has he discusses racing from around the country interviews jockeys trainers media personality and horse players every monday through friday the show can be found at twin spires dot com or on i tunes spreaker stitcher or wherever you get your podcast from the jason beam horse racing podcast brought to you by twin spires back here on the horse racing. Podcast brought to you by twin spires looking at our year in review. We've made it to july. Were halfway through. Got the first six months out of the way got bad part. Covert out of the way. And we're we're heading into the summer. I'm going to colonial saratoga. Starting del mar started. Even though you can't go to any of them new voices at both saratoga in del mar this year. That would seem an obvious thing back in two thousand nineteen but obviously Larry no longer. Johnny brielle calling his first meet up at the spa. And larry going to del mar. Because trevor with corona did not want to to travel. And i can't blame him. You know older guy live in a nice life at a rural farm and minnesota take a year off to relax and So that was certainly an interesting part of the the two premium i kinda. I would see people all throughout the spring talking about saratoga. Like oh we're going to get our tickets. They're going to let us in and then like as it got closer just like you guys know that you're not getting right. That's just not happening this year and It was certainly a weird thing to to see a saratoga with no fans just because of any track out there. I mean you know there. You have your canterbury's and you have your dell mars and you have your other tracks that have great attendance and a lot of people showing up arlington on a weekend is always a big deal but saratoga i think is kind of is as good as it gets for a lot of folks here in in this country and it was just bizarre to see that old grandstand just empty every day and i know the the tv folks On fox and everything. They did a pretty good job at least trying to bring us in. And the racing was okay. Argue that i'd r- the acqueduct fl november still is the best time of year. Ira not for quality obviously but just for competitive big fields You know in. Saratoga was a little hit and miss and that respect there was a lot of days where it was not all that great and and some days when it was some amazing performances volatile Kicked off early on in the meet with the win in the alfred g vanderbilt stakes You know the personal and the whitney Early on in the meat improbable scoring in that. Race vexatious winning the personal ensign town. Winning the allan jerkins always a popular race. And obviously they're they're scheduled got a little bit Danced around because of covid but Know that was that was kind of this year. The travers his allow winning back on august the eighth as they kind of had to move the travers up to not. You know kind of basically became a a prepped for the derby. But you can still argue that. Because it's the travers. It's it's kind of its own thing. I mean again victorious. Winning the loan jeans test sergi eppers turned in a monster performance in the ballerina stakes back on august. The eighth if you remember that one just cut out insane fractions and just kept on going It was The weekend of august eighth. Where we saw jackie's warrior really have a coming out party in the saratoga. Special obviously would be a major player in the two year old race. All the way up to the breeders cup world championships racing over del. Mar you know. Of course no fans but still some good action. Certainly i would think that the i wanna say highlight but story of the meat on the from horse. Perspective was maximum security. Who after everything with jason service ended up in the bar of bob baffert of all people and scored the san diego scored in the pacific classic. Neither one particularly you know visually impressive but workmanlike and did the job and And got the win and obviously would not go on to do all that great in his subsequent to starts after that but certainly did have a productive. Del mar meeting I should have mentioned before we get to august back july. The haskell was speaking of baffert authentic winning over new york traffic in what at the three sixteenth poll looked like an easy front running baffert win and then at the sixty poll looks like new york. Traffic was gonna come catch a horse. That was like tiring on the lead as we know. Authentic obviously would come back to pull off a pretty impressive double of the kentucky derby and the breeders cup classic and heartbreaking loss and maybe the race of the year in the The pimlico stakes. But we'll get to all that On tomorrow show. I mentioned In august Are actually july and august. I went over to colonial downs and it was. I said it before like it just felt like we were kinda cursed from the start opening day got cancelled because of the heat. It was like ninety nine degrees We had two different cancellations. Because of weather there was a day with a power knocked out. There was a day where it rained like nine inches. Overnight No friends the you know the takeout increase like it was just a it was just a rough couple of weeks over there You know i. I my lodging over there. I stayed in the airbnb that was kinda like mother-in-law apartment kind of thing and i stayed in a really cool part of town call churchill which is kind of the historic district of richmond. Like right across the street was the church where patrick henry made his. Give me liberty or give me death speech. I love that part of my summer and walking around in the mornings but it's just so hot over there humid even the morning. You don't wanna go walk around. So i sat in my airbnb for like three weeks and then when we would race which i think we only ray six days it was so nice to get out and The track is so beautiful and the racing is good. And i think it just has so much. Potential You know when they cancelled the meat i was at charlestown. I had gone up there for a night. They just finished the first at charlestown. And i got a text saying. Hey there's gonna be a press release going out there. Cancel the meat. We've had cove outbreak in the jack's room and with only a couple of weeks left. It was like what are they gonna do. You can't really delay a short meet like that because everybody else is going somewhere else in a few weeks so i remember i. I sat there charleston laying. Well crap helmet do here. Because i had already paid my airbnb and i had three more weeks left or whatever it was and sounds like well i could stay here for a couple days and just chill out richmond or i could go home or i so i drove home that night. That was a saturday. But no friday night and i got back to the place. I'm like you know. I think i'm just gonna leave on sunday and so i woke up saturday morning. And what the hell my sticking around for. No reason to be richmond. And i'm kind of like that like when i have a road trip ahead of me like i just wanna get it over with and i wake up super early and and do all that but you know when i left there it was like it was just such a a tough meat and like i left there i you know. I don't know if i'm coming back. This was. This was rough. But i talked to jill shortly after that. And you know she she was obviously feel the effects of what was tough few weeks for her to and So we kinda talk. I wasn't i wasn't like oh. I wanna quit but i was like hand. That was just. That was rough. That's all it was was just rough. And by the time i got home. Felt good about it again. I'm like you know this year is just kind of above year for everybody will Will turn a corner. We'll be back at it. And i'm already looking forward to going back to virginia and colonial this summer and it's such a fun place to call. Racists challenging place call raises big fields great turf racing so you know like i said i i was sour on it for about three days and then and then everything was fine. So that's that back in the month of july. Some of our guests on the show speaking to jill. She was on the show with me Brian hernandez join us. Tom jury of course we talked a lot of art collector with them. I thought that was one of the neater stories of twenty twenty original mcglaughlin from indiana grand. Join us on the program. My buddy admire the voice of belle. Terre park joined us on the show. I thought that was a really fun. Interviews ed's kind of a buddy from our days back at river downs and i have a. I got to go back to river and twenty nineteen for a visit. And i've just been talking to some of my buddies from. They're a little more often this year than i had in previous years and so it was fun to catch up with ad. Talk about those days and also what's going on over in cincinnati right now. It's such a if you've never been to bell. Tear does not have the the feel of old river downs. And you know people always say that with emerald. They always say you know just doesn't feel like long acres and it's true but like feel and those kinds of things like they just take time like decades and family and friendships have to develop to make those places as special as they are. And that's why when we lose these older tracks. It's so heartbreaking or or any of these places because they're just generations of people that have come and gone and and you know those things just take time to to develop but bell tears pretty spot. It's a neat spot to go for a day of racing. And i highly recommend it if you if you get the chance but yeah a lot of Greg guess we. In fact in july i remember at the end of july we greg week on the show he had great fully greg wolf and greg boomer ri- on the program going into august a force boyce join us. We talked a lot about her hot start. At colonial downs obviously been mid atlantic regular for months. For years rather Gabe pruitt was on the show gabon on once or twice a year she had taught sutherland. Joined the program My buddy brad. Thomas over monmouth One of my favorite people to talk to the sport of racing whether it's on an interview or just on the phone and love brad nausea thompson joins us Of course now a he got I don't wanna say promoted. He took a different job. He's ahead of the new york Breeders association in new york when we talked to him he was still working at naira. Benny south street join us. We had a number of folks from the trip note. Pros universe between benny andrew. Check and tyler hoffman at the end of the year so Pity for joins mattress. Mack was on the program back in in august some run happy with him. Britney russell maggie wolfendale and the great. Emily gullickson all joined the program back in the month of august as well. You know some other quick thoughts on the the month of august in terms of Racing in a saratoga obviously such the centerpiece and i talked earlier about charlestown. You know how. They had their racist. Where a lot of the big horse came in but none of the big riders came in. Sleepy is todd. Who was really did become kind of you. Know the people's horse of sorts by the end of the year here He he was victorious there and scored and their six hundred thousand dollar raise. Guess they're the charleston classic this year is i think they said it was again going to be in august of same night as the charlestown oaks. Which because it's been an april race for years. And i was excited about that because it's a friday night. I'm going to be back there. And i think colonial announced. They're running monday. Tuesday wednesday so i can hopefully knock on wood if every if i'm alive and everything goes okay. can go to the The charlestown this year so looking forward to To that as well. Of course as we get set to wrap this show and get ready for tomorrow's the kentucky derby takes center stage as the first saturday in september and you know the the countdown to it obviously unlike any kentucky derby ever and it was just it was such a unique year and the derby trail was very unique. You know because of that. You know unique ear and i remember the personal buzz like was just not really there and i think a lot of that was because just the timing and it was so unusual and you know we. We didn't know there would be no fans until very late in the game. I think churchill wanted to give it every chance they could to have some people there. But i remember when we turn the corner into derby week. It was finally okay. It's starting to feel like derby now. And so we talked with ed and scott and all the guys because they were actually on track for which most people were not so lucky. And you know in twenty years of. I'm sure ed will tell people about you know the year he went to the derby with only you. Probably what couple thousand people at the most between media and stuff like that so We'll talk more about that tomorrow. We'll continue our year in review again. You can keep emails come. Adjacent charles be. Msci melt dot com was the best way to get a hold of me We'll see guys back tomorrow for our third and final year in review show. We're off friday for the new year's holiday but back next monday with the regular five day a week shows guests and all that kind of stuff so have a great rest wednesday everybody.

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Case 125: The Angels of Wynarka & Belanglo

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58:00 min | 1 year ago

Case 125: The Angels of Wynarka & Belanglo

"Hungary to become a detective Philadelphia Police officer Thomas Lockhart begins a lifelong pursuit of a serial killer who mysteriously surfaces every non knees when the kill is crimes begin to defy oil scientific explanation blocks obsession with finding the truth threatens. They destroy his career. He's family and possibly he sanity directed by Jean Michel and starring Boyd Holbrook Cleopatra Patrick Coleman and democracy say hole in the shadow of the moon is a junior blending psychological thriller that examines the power of time and how it's passing Khanate that bring us together or Terrassa. Watch in the shadow of the Moon on Netflix September twenty seven the era besides with serious and often distressing incidents. If you feel it anytime you need support please contact your like across the central suggested find numbers confidential support place a show nights for this episode on your APP or now web sort. Today's episode contains violence against children and went be suitable for all listeners. The Korean Doha Hawaii's a one hundred seventy two kilometer long roadway that connects the South Australian Riverside Township of Murray Bridge with Loxton further north on the cusp of the state's border with Victoria largely desolate to highway cuts through expensive agricultural landscapes with several remote the houses in small towns dotted along the way including Tanaka situated one hundred five kilometers east of the capital city of allied when America's main straight off his little but a post office fire station and a public payphone plus the football and tennis courts nearby with a population of fewer than one hundred people. It's the kind of town where anything out of place is noticed by mid March two two thousand fifteen roadworks along a stretch of the Karoon to hallway two kilometers east of Wanaka were completed shortly afterwards. A lodge gray suitcase was started on the road saw it appeared as though it had fallen off a passing truck sun blazed stained and dirty from having bane exposed to the elements for an extended period of time the lawns brand suitcase caught the attention of multiple highway travelers with one stopping to investigate the gay upon partially emptying the bag behind Bush and realizing it contained soil children's clothing infested with insects. They disregarded the font and dragged the bag back to the road saw on Tuesday July. Fourteen two thousand fifteen a motorist traveling traveling down the hallway pulled over to relieve himself as he made his way into the thick bushland framing the saw the road he noticed an array of dirty into a children's clothing strewn under a patch of trees in front was the abandoned suitcase he crashed down to on zip the a case and rummaged through its contents himself noticing a small human Joel Bag the suitcase contained the heavily decomposed remains of of a young child national news outlets theorized that was missing Stri Liam Boy William Thiru in September the PRA three year old. William was playing in the yard of his foster grandmother's House in New South Wales when he suddenly vanished ongoing search and investigative efforts had failed to turn up any trace of William and although police had yet to conclude what had happened to him. The general consensus was the boy had been abducted international media cast a wide net suggesting the remains in the suitcase with those of missing English girl Madeleine McCann the three year around was at the center of modern history's most reported on missing person case after she disappeared from her family's holiday apartment in Portugal in May two thousand seven multiple scenarios suspects had been considered over the years including the possibility. She was abducted by a pedophile ring and transported. I've assays say's speculation ended at the conclusion of the Post. Mortem Detroit was an unknown Caucasian female aged between two two and four years old approximately ninety centimeters tall with shoulder length colored hair to bulls of blue and watch Straw to dishcloths what tucked inside Auburndale which had been sealed with Silva duct tape. There was no injury to the skeletal remains and in the absence of soft tissue a cause of death could not be determined although speaks was presumed it was believed she had been deceased for upwards of seven years killed elsewhere swear before her body was stored in the suitcase within a month and discarded on the roadside where it remained until discovery to go skull was covet with a disposable nappy and purple down unto brand bothell was wrapped around the lower part of her Tulsa South Australia's Major Crime Investigation Branch established Task Force Molly to either say the case fronted by Detective Superintendent. Does Bri- he withheld details of the autopsy from the media but told ABC News report is that the child choir died a violent death under terrible circumstances use the media dubbed Dion Nyongo the angel of Anaka and the roadside where her remains were found was memorialized with flowers was teddy bears and messages of Greif one read you deserve to better than this resting pace little angel you a task force molly questioned every resident of went aga and to learn of if an incident in early. May that had been a source of intrigue in the Small Town One morning when to knocker residents will walking their dogs. So town they rendered the dusty track along the railway lawn and sought a clean cut man neatly dressed in a suit he was Caucasian about the best sixty years old with grey hair and was hot and bill demand was walking alone down the road with the Lodge Dot Colin suitcase case without looking up he crossed the train tracks into the scrub towards the GRUNDEL hallway. The don't walk as described described feeling and unnerving sixth sense about the suited stranger he was heading away from town and up to carry he's bulky suitcase as opposed to pulling had alone by. It's handle deciding didn't alon perfectly with the Tom. Line established as the Saudis of the suitcase on the roadside occurred in March touch with the suited man witnessed more than a month later. Nevertheless a connection was drawn and police appealed to the public to identify him and images of the children's clothing fan with their remains were released to the media including a black dress with sequined to to pink striped dress silk boxer shorts Dora the explorer Pajama Paeans pink track paints a cream fur-trimmed code and a single single pink slip off with a butterfly rotate on the to- There was also a ninety one nine hundred eighty centimeter patchwork quilt featuring a black border of colorful awful music notes although badly deteriorated police were able to reconstruct seven of the quilts twenty-five I'll tag patches you they contained images of butter flaws geckos dogs a camel a Pumpkin Patch and stars the fabric had bang manufactured in New York seven years earlier but the quilt itself was handmade in machine stitched investigators believed the One off autumn. Kim was crafted by someone close to the child and may have been used as a teaching tool to help them identify the animals and objects on the patches. The black sequined to to dress was one of twenty eight sold exclusively in store by fashion brand cotton on kids throughout South Australia eight years profile as it was no longer feasible to trace the autumn back to the victim investigators believed the K. to identifying the go hinged on the one of have conned Quilt Superintendent Dez Bright told the media someone loved that little go and day the made her role gave her at that quill would appeal for whoever loved her to get in touch with US attempts to identify the child continued for wakes police extended their lawn of questioning two hands within a two hundred and fifty square kilometer radius of Naga as offices on horseback horseback canvas the terrain for forty eight kilometers from the side of the discovery motorists provided Dash Cam footage taken along the Korean to highway way over previous years revealing the suitcase had been moved and examined multiple times before it was fondly reported to police all one hundred and forty five children from Australia's. Missing Persons Register had been ruled out opening up the possibility that the victims birth was unregistered all that they were indeed from another country detective-inspector Greg Hawkins told the media he had never seen a murder lock this in his thirty seven seven years of service quiet. This truly is a little go lost. She seems to be lost. A society lost to the system forgotten by all into that. He's incredibly sad. As the investigation reached its third month superintendent. It does Brian Enhanced. It's hard to believe someone hasn't missed her. When we started this job that we would quickly identify these little Wallis ause somewhere out there is a mother a father at the very least and extended family and a loss as to why someone hasn't reported this little go on Tuesday August sixth two thousand fifteen coal number one thousand two hundred sixty fifty seven was placed to the chrome stop his lawn from a woman named Tanya Weber Tanya Lee Davis Sixteen hundred kilometers from we Naga in the remote northern Northern Territory town of Alice Springs and had been following the angel of Wenatchee case she recognized some of the child's clothing but her concerns sern pate when she saw the patchwork quilt as it bore similarities to one that had been handcrafted by her best friend Colin Povey mm-hmm several photos of choline puppies granddaughter two year old. Kim Delays piece was the plot to Tusk Malley. The Toddler had pyo blond antero and in one image she was wearing a pink stripe to dress similar to one fan with the unidentified remains another shed cantu lace in Straw Alah clutching a Rubik's cube talked behind her was a patchwork quilt with a black border of colorful musical notes an exact match to the one mm Fan with the angel of Winarta Tenure. Weber explained that came delays was taken into state seven years Zolia by her then twenty year Rhode Mata Kali piece Evenson nickname to mass for her short stature and potato phages collie became pregnant at Daij eighteen and two gave birth to Cain delays known affectionately as candles on June nineteen two thousand six Collie took on motherhood who would seriously she was fully supported and assisted by her family however a disagreement with her mother soon prompting Collie to seek independence assumed work elsewhere in November two thousand night Khali abruptly announced that she and came to lace were moving to Adelaide uh she packed their belongings into her nineteen ninety six holden Commodore Station Wagon and left after a brief stop in the town of Port Augusta Gusta to visit collies grandma depict continued onwards to Adelaide and spent Diet Marian shopping centre with an old friend roughly awaking to the trip Cali Code family friend tenure weather in TV's saying she had made a mistake and wanted to come home. Tanya Agno offered to pay for her flood were arranged to have some on Pico up the Cali declined but the end of their conversation she seemed to have calmed and down into his back to her happy. Self Tanya tried contacting Collie numerous times after that but she never rains it you over the coming months family and friends progressively hood less from Cali and Cole stopped entirely after a year facebook page. Hi Joe also appeared abandoned on September four two thousand non call Lane reported her daughter and granddaughter missing acing records confirmed Collie was using her bank account regularly with the most recent transaction occurring days earlier at an ATM in South South Australia. Police made some phone calls and were informed. Khali was planning to move north to Queensland with a new boyfriend certain Collie and can't delays were fawn. The police nevertheless great to keep their fall open until someone directly soul rose spoke with the pair according to reports call call lane contacted the police again six days later explaining she had received a phone call from Cali sanding strange in speaking in a whisper. Khali refused to disclose where Shea and candle lace were living but reassured her mother that everything was fawn. She also express that Zoya not to be contacted contacted again. This report was disputed by colleagues family who later stated it was the police claimed to have spoken with Kali on the phone learn and following her comments and Nance they would be closing the investigation into her disappearance. Five days later Colin received a text message from her door requesting money and she transferred her five hundred dollars over the following years family and friends received sporadic text messages from Cali needing money for various reasons from travel expenses to bind came to lace birthday present. Her mother obliged every request in the hopes the two would eventually return to Alice Springs in February two thousand twelve love Coleen passed away from breast cancer at the age of forty four shortly before her death she asked a collie candles he yet but her wished to be reunited with her daughter and granddaughter before she thawed went on fulfilled so in two thousand thirteen collies cousin road and published a facebook post for Cali which read to my beautiful cousin on no you're somewhere out there and I just want you to know. I won't stop looking for you if you see this or if anyone has seen this girl please let me know. Not a dagger is bought that I don't think of. You both just want to know you'll but safe. CANDLEMAS medical records were spas her last doctor visit occurred when she was eighteen months old to receive immunizations ause Asians there were no further records after that nor had she been registered with education authorities or childcare facilities anywhere throughout Australia thus per standard procedure when cain delays was born several drops of blood withdrawn from her heel for routine screening. The sample had been stored and was compared today from there remains in the suitcase revealing a match. The Angel of when Arco was two year old king delays piece before any announcement was made to the public. A search Canedo Lacey's mother Kali was initiated five years earlier in New South Wales on the afternoon of Sunday August twenty nine two thousand ten at a group of Chow Baulk road is when navigating through the heavily wooded area of Daly's Boorda Hall in the Blend Golos state forest as they sped around a bend and one of the Reuters overshot the corner and dented a small clearing where he spotted what appeared the bay a large like bone. The group investigated instigated further funding cage spun pelvis and humans go along with various items of clothing. Police arrived often sealed the area off is a crime sane it appeared is the the Bundy had initially been buried but was later upturn by the roots of a nearby fallen one tree the discovery immediately stood memories of the backpacking mood is eighteen years earlier covered in episode one hundred and non non of case fall between nineteen ninety nine and two nineteen ninety-two seven backpackers were abducted while he chalking from Sydney and violently acute IMB Alangelo local road worker off in Malaysia was sentenced to life in prison for the murder of James Edson Deborah everist Simone Schmidt due Gabor noggin bella and you have shade Joanne Walters and Caroline Clarke yet many believe he was responsible for other unsolved disappearances is and motors a lingering dread permeated Iva Blind Golo ever since the killings with suspicions that more of Malacca Victims Lay Undiscovered Abbott in the forest discolor remains at Daly's waterhole shed notable similarities to molasses crime scenes prompting speculation the trial bought broadus had stumbled across another one of the serial killers victims melas nine for making little effort to conceal he's victims remains remains often leaving them alongside boulders or logs and haphazardly covering them in a lot layer of forest bray yet. He's known victims were discovered in a remote area of dense forest to the north. The newly uncovered remains with further south in a more accessible area close to well-worn worn tracks investigators were hesitant to prematurely draw links to Malaysia and refused to waive in mention his name to reporters. He's alluding to the increasing conjecture Superintendent Evan Colby remarked. We definitely will not be jumping to conclusions solutions. There are many lawns of investigation to explore. We are chasing facts. We are not chasing assumptions where those facts Laos us is where our investigation will continue the remains were with a of an unnamed female aged between thirteen and twenty five years approximately one hundred fifty to one hundred sixty centimeters toll with shoulder length hair she had sustained blunt force trauma to her torso with fractious to multiple ribs on both sides of the chest although the exact because of her death could not be determined her injuries strongly correlated with the application of compressive force by way of stopping or kneeling the remains had been in the forest from anywhere between six months to ten years a timeframe that ruled off in Malaysia as a possible perpetrator has had been arrested arrested in nineteen ninety four as police examined missing person falls across a Stra at day profile was extracted from the victims to be a bone and uploaded to the national criminal investigation database. This allowed the sample to be cross checked against others collected from crime scenes convicted offenders suspects and missing persons yet. There was no match as a tape showed. Sohn's of dentistry carried. Sorry Dad in Ustralia detectives made enquiries with dentists local to the Southern Highlands region but to no avail focus focus shifted to a badly decomposed Teixeira found neither remains the what so as ten should featured a motif of a rose heart and danger wings with the word angelic written above in pink text that was produced by fashion brand chain-reaction and sold in retail stores throughout Australia Australia in two thousand three anarchistic impression of the Teixeira was released to the public with the Motif in sparring the media to name the unidentified woman. D- Angel Blanco a facial anthropologist examined the skull to create an approximate image of what the Angel Ngel Angelo may have looked like at the time of her death deem each was circulated in the media and sent to law enforcement agencies. IVC's but no no one recognized her in November two thousand twelve more than two years after the discovery Western Australian law enforcement foresman announced that they had received information that the woman may have been a European backpacker who worked for Vignette in the Margaret River Region Baz whereas the victim's death didn't Alon with Ivan Melas killing spree police considered the possibility that they would dealing with copycat will someone hoping to cover up their own Krahn Kron but pinning it on the serial Killa other theories included that the angel of Bangalore had been murdered by her domestic partner had full and under societies right off they nauseated with limited social connections placed in institutions were engaged in sex work in criminal psychologists believed the perpetrator was luckily studying news reports to keep up to date with the investigation with the crime constantly on their mind but with no clear leads major breakthroughs the case went cold for five years in two thousand fifteen deign following the discovery of Cain delays pieces remains in the suitcase in South Australia. A sample of the two year olds day was sent to the forensic and Dino Legal Medical Science Service Center in New South Wales. The whereabouts of her mother was still unknown and police signed to rule out the possibility that Cali Ali may also bay deceased cross-checking Candlemas Day with the collection of unidentified remains stored at the facility testing being revealed that can delays should familial match to the remains on covered in Belanglo forest in two thousand ten the pair when mother and Buddha aw the angel of Blend Golo was twenty year old colleague. Piece Stevenson the World Health Organization has named the Health Epidemic of the twenty first century. 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Luc was delighted featured in the publication Northern Territory knees at Red Carly and candles the sun doesn't shine as broad as it did but the nod is now lit with a few more stars no more looking to save that goalies you as we saw someone else in crowd no more waiting to hear no more waiting to see you show up smiling again as usual no more laughter giggles and pranks no more light not just talking with the music playing our hearts of thousand cuts and we will remain your strength give candles a Hug Sweetie love always dad and Luke mm-hmm Superintendent Dez Bryant requested the public's assistance in finding missing pieces of the puzzle appealing to Land Lords Motel workers or Caravan Park China's who may have accommodated Carlene CANTU lace prior to their deaths quite this is one of the most shocking crimes imaginable and his torn own apart and devastated a loving family those responsible for this crime on a truly evil and remain amongst us in the community and must be held accountable bowl for what they have done. Enquiries were made into how the pair met violent ends twelve hundred kilometers. Apo- it had since being brought to the attention of investigators that when colley and candle laced departed Alice Springs on Monday November ten two thousand eight they would not allowed and they were accompanied by collies thirty four year old boyfriend Daniel Autumn according to the book the lost goes by either Benny Morrison collies mother call lane had a bad feeling about autumn and was unsure why her daughter would be interested in someone almost twice her age. Coleen off to look after Kim delays so the couple could make their journey satellite alone but Cali refused and the trio left the next day day later that month hold him Cowley and Kane delays arrived to the outer suburb of John would in the Australian capital of camera the the the trio stayed with Holden's cousin Christine for several weeks during that time tension brewed between Collie and told him at roughly two thirty. AM on Monday December fifteen two thousand eight the couple left to go for a drive laving came too late in the care of Kirstein and later that day at around nude holdem returned a loan with a scratch on his face. He said that had been a fought and Kali. They had asked to be dropped off at a bus stop. Christine was suspicious and asked how colleague could leave without her daughter. Holdem replied sometimes she does that two days later holdem traded collies car for an automobile holden statesman on Friday Friday December nineteen he placed Cantu lace into the Statesman telling his housing he was taking the toddler to her grandmother's house in South Australia when Colin povey reported Collie and candlemas missing almost a year later saw northern territory police contacted hold him in South Australia. Hey Hey explained that hey into collie no longer together and she was now seeing someone from Queensland. He offered to pass on a new contact number and asked police to call him back later that afternoon. However further attempts to reach him were unsuccessful on June twenty fourth four two thousand and ten a woman in a wheelchair entered a bank in Adelaide's northern suburbs claiming to be Cali she requested collies contact data house be updated to an address in South Australia that same month collies identity was hijacked again. When the same woman attended one of her compulsory Serie Center Lincoln reviews in the north at alight suburb of Salisbury she produced candlemas birth certificate in order to receive eight thousand dollars gene family tax benefits and rent assistance within collies network of friends and associates was a wheelchair bound woman name nine title Passmore who resided in Adelaide. She was a former girlfriend of Daniel ODEM depict immense the relationship around two thousand FAV FAV withholding becoming stepfather to Hazel Three Children Lauren. We love and Dorion in mid two thousand seven the family relocated to Alice Springs and launched a car detailing business dealing drugs on the Saud there they met and befriended Collie and Cain delays on Monday September Fifth Dane Two thousand eight held him Hazel and their three children said out on a six our drive to Adelaide hold him was yawning and struggling to stay alert but he ignored hayes those requests to pull over and dressed suddenly suddenly to Kangaroos. Let Dad in front of the car held him swerved which caused the car to spin out of control and flip far taunts nutzoid. Uh Hey emerged from the wreckage relatively unscathed but Hazel legs torso and some internal organs were crushed two year old Lauryn earn sustained minor injuries however non-euro Willow and seven-year-old Ryan with thrown from the vehicle and died instantly toxicology tests confirmed the presence of amphetamines in holdem system which he claimed he had taken days earlier Hayes as left leg was amputated leaving her permanently wheelchair-bound as she recovered in hospital holdem paid her visit accompanied by colleague indicating delays describing Haldeman to Cali as quad really chummy Hazel was certain the two were having an affair and ended her relationship with Oldham following the funeral for Hazel two children on November fourteen holdem fled to camera with Kali the indicating delays believing police would press charges against him for the crash police track Taisel Dan to her deferent pot kind not lights lights. North Shakes blamed on December twenty two thousand night holdem reappeared in Adelaide loan and the pair resumed their relationship. You would give conflicting stories regarding collies whereabouts claiming she was in Alice Springs Camera and Queensland and according to Hazel Holdem had pornography addiction and had penicillin content on his computer attaining to underage girls and the nail forty one year old Daniel Holdem was currently serving four years at Cessnock Correctional Centre in new New South Wales for riding a nine year old girl in two thousand thirteen a criminal record dated back to his early twenties with offenses drink driving arriving theft fraud and domestic violence drug and alcohol addictions increased these violent tendencies and to lead to the deterioration of V's first marriage he adopted a transient lost all narrow after before arriving in Alice Springs with Heisel Passmore in two thousand seven. Hello hold was interviewed imprison telling police he's relationship with carly was built on a Fan Dacian of support following the car crash that claimed the lives of these two step children but ended within two months over financial matters he sold her car and used Bankcard to settle a debt with these causing before returning to Adelaide to resume his relationship with Hazel. He claimed he maintained an affair with Kali up until two thousand nine. Oh later that year. She informed him. She was moving to Queensland to Bay with another man. Holdem Story Changed Multiple Times throughout the interview and do you often contradicted himself though he denied any involvement in Cali cocaine delays murder or that he had conspired with Hazel title to steal collies identity and access her finances police executed search warrants at multiple properties associated with Odin finding came to laces birth certificate collies Medicare and delivery cots and a mobile phone. Several notebooks were filled with sexually explicit stories many of which featured young women and children are a handwriting expert concluded Holdem or the most but but several were written by Hazel Pass ml according to the book the lost goes by Eva Benny Marson when questioned Hazel claimed she wrote the stories at Holden's request a boom of full play and the Halden would ask her to recant her own childhood sexual abuse to get himself aroused. Hello one nine book contained a list of about thirty children identified by their age first name Sinn delayed -cations which included places where holdem stayed it throughout two thousand six and two thousand seven along saw the names holdem had written the words consent forced or ripe so the list included the Nang candles but there was no evidence to indicate he had assaulted any other children mentioned and the list is ultimately determined determined to be a fictitious fantasy. Just further evidence of Haldeman Pedophilia inclinations police also say's that Dari written by a seventeen year old who hold him was interrelationship with Tom. He's arrest for right in two thousand thirteen. One injury died died in January. Two thousand thirteen read Daniel Law to me said he killed Collie and candle but they're still alive. It's all either facebook but hey says that dead and he made them think she's alive. Everything he says doesn't make sense. Apparently he killed her in December two thousand eight but people gave her money on her daughter's birthday in two thousand ten and two thousand eleven good at text next from Hazel saying they're dead and chasing pigs so hazel had come across the cameras estee memory cod belonging to hold autumn that allegedly contained child pornography and compromising images of Cali she confiscated and delighted gave it to a relative in case something thing happened to her the card at so was handed into police photographs of Oldham and papal ninety him had been deleted from the cod awed while the images of various properties way he had resorted throughout his adult law remained one fed. I showed skull fragment belonging talking to one of Hazel to deceased children having been taken at the scene of the car crash in Tuesday's night. There were roadside pitches of Kali timestamped. Tom Stamped the morning of Monday. December fifteen two thousand eight. She was wearing the watt angelic t shirt that was fan with her remains. Police compared the images to those of the belying blow crime sane collies galadle remains were in an era dental physician to the way her body lay in the photographs which depicted brutalization inflicted upon her including a foot pressed against her neck. You're on October twenty eight. Daniel Halden requested a second interview with investigators during which he claimed he wanted said to come clean he proceeded to implicate the boyfriend of his cousin Christine in the murders as he was providing this information police received word that Haldeman fine records placed him Neva langlade state forest within the timeframe. The photographs of collies attack would take and he was subsequently arrested charged with her murder telling officers. You've got the wrong. God you say do investigators were certain candle lace was murdered after her mother uh but had yet to establish the exact Tom into location of that crime you according to the book the Lost Girls Police Alfred Hazel Pass more a deal. Tell the truth and none of the information provided would be used used to build a case against her. She agreed revealing that in mid two thousand nine she had discovered colleagues belongings in the boot of Oldham's autumn's car believing the pair had resumed their affair. She confronted him. He told her not to worry about Kali anymore and she was dead head then described in detail how he had killed her. Hazel remained uncertain hold him was telling the truth until she came across the incriminating photographs of Kali on the SD cod showing a death in the exact MENA described Hazel as who lost him about candle lace and hold him explained he had suffocated her sexually abused her body then dumped her somewhere on the hallway. When news broke in two thousand fifteen that a toddler's body had been found on the Karuna Highway Hazel wondered if it was Cantu lace but was too afraid to contact authorities. She told the police held him killed Collie so that he could come back to her quite he did it for me and it was all may Hazel admitted to accompanying how to send a link in the bank pretending to Bay Collie in order to gain her single parent benefits rent assistance Medicare rebates credit card and savings but claimed she did so wanted. US So despite evidence to the contrary she denied speaking to colleagues family on the phone and pretending to be her during Kohl's she dan told police collie destroyed everything I had and I hated her if accused of ripta money off her or would have done. Hazel denied spending collies money herself saying it was used exclusively by Holdem to pay rent and living expenses. I've role holdem had obtained more than seventy two thousand dollars from colleagues accounts on Sunday December Thirteen Two Thousand Fifteen Collie and candle as were farewelled at the L. Springs Desert Church a a statement from their family thanked the community for this poor saying many throughout Australia pry that mother and daughter will now rest forever in the arms of the angels described Collie as a cheeky. He conned into loyal young woman who was always there to support her family. Although she was smiling statue collies heart and personality described is huge and she was commended for her optimism two two year old came to lace had been the center of attention and auto laws her grandparents together the pair were quote facing the Road God with all its charms suasion 's and pitfalls I the one hundred mourners dont the Perez favorite colors pink can blue light to rest so I'd buy saw in a single what coffin they were buried along saw at colleagues mother colleen fulfilling. GonNa wish to be reunited with her daughter and granddaughter this. Shit headstone read you know hearts and each other's forever two days later. Daniel Hall Dome was charged with the murder of Cain delays piece. The prosecution's secretions case relied heavily on circumstantial evidence including Hazel Passmore's confession investigators endeavoured to build a stronger case by determining the exact location and circumstances of the Toddlers Murtaugh according to witness statements hold him left his cousins canberra-based Ambra based property with candle as on Friday December nineteen two thousand and eight four days after Khali was killed when he arrived at Hazel Osma Adelaide home the following day he was alone albums movements track but he's mobile phone and credit card data revealing he spent a nail in the New South Wales regional hub of Ouagadougou on the morning of December nineteen where he visited the local woolworths supermarket to the purchase garbage bags Silva home handyman brand duct tape and multi-purpose wops the duct tape and wasps were an exact the match to those band with Cain's laces remains he then drove another Ayla to the Riverside town of Narendra and checked into the mid on motoring at eleven. Am under the alias Daniel Marshall Plus one awed despite paying for naught stay Mobile Dada Shied Eddie left two and a half hours light up continuing on woods to South Australia. The Motel had since changed management and investigators were unable to detect any forensic evidence in the room where holdem briefly stayed. They tracked down the previous owners who can fund that in two thousand. Night D'Amato was stocked with Purple Bartels whose brand batch Naba matched the one wrapped around candle. Ace's body two police were certain hold a murdered the toddler in the motel room before placing her body in the suitcase which he disposed off as he journeyed to Adelaide uh Daniel Holdem pled guilty and went to great lengths to delight Kool proceedings from firing. He's a legal legal team to intentionally leaving important documents in his prison so he's trial was scheduled for August the following year but await before it was was Judah. Commence Haldeman expectedly changed his plea to guilty of being would ultimately result in a reduced prison sentence he he made one final effort to delay the inevitable when he sentencing date arrived on November thirty two thousand eighteen requesting to revert he's play for came to laces his mode up back to not guilty. He's application was rejected. A document todd facts in the crown in case not disputed by the defense listed a number of assertions by the prosecution that holdem had agreed to including he was quite hello attempting to or planning to sexually assault canned delay said the time of her death he admitted to using collies mobile phone to give the impression she was still alive sending a flurry of messages immediately after her mother reported her missing and using the device up until may two dousing eleven holden's defense team argued that their clients actions were the result of an unstable upbringing that had negatively impacted. He's adult life forensic psychiatrist Dr Olav Nielsen Interviewed Holdem during his incarceration diagnosing him with depression oppression and approachable personality disorder so adding childhood marked by abuse neglect foster care and substance use by the Salaam he reached his teens hold him was a delinquent who often initiated fights with peas participated in drug-taking and had weekly contact with the police one therapist who so how'd him during ages thirteen to fourteen described him as a very damaged young boy holdem provided Dr Newson with these zone version of events starting on December fourteen two thousand eight when hey in Cali it went driving light it not to quote go so I'd sing and have a good song. They pulled off the highway into Alangelo stay. I I arriving at around five. AM The next morning an argument broke up and Kali threatened to tell Hazel how long their affair had been going going on for outraged hold of became violent grabbing a broom handle from the car and heating collie across the ribcage. She vomited blood causing him to penny can drive off leaving her behind. He maintained she was still alive. When he left the knew she would die soon after he admitted to being affected by ecstasy admit amphetamine which he claimed put him in a volatile day. Oh as Cain to lace holdem said it's horrible. I guess she got suffocated. Justice Robert Ellen hume refused to accept tall domes at cans coaling them substantially inaccurate based on undisputed disputed facts collies injuries were akin to bank stumped donated the chest and holds claim that she was alive and devoting blood before he hit binned into were disputed by the photographs he took which showed her clearly deceased body with no visible blood. The judge thought wooded unfortunate that Dr Nielson did not ask them to explain matters such as why he took the photographs or did the things they depicted furthermore information provided by Holdem to different doctors was inexplicably inconsistent he provided through a separate accounts of his father's his death variously stating that he was twenty eighteen and fifteen at the Tom Hale said claimed the duration of his relationship with Hazel Passmore was four years than eleven years and asserted that he was never unfaithful. Despite telling in Nielsen his relationship with colleague began when he was still living with Hazel judge shoot was left to question Haldeman credibility which was already shaky given his history of dishonesty and fraud offenses and he's capability of deceiving others when it served its purpose as held. Him showed no signs of remorse. The judge ruled. I am satisfied that defended his actions with deliberate purposeful and subject of some prior consideration Russian. I am satisfied that the offender completely understood what he was doing and its wrongfulness victim impact tax statements spoke of the pain suffered by Kali and candlemas loved ones during lengthy disappearance described the hood. They felt having been led to. I believe that colleen no longer wanted anything to do with her. Family collies biological father Bruce piece directed pod iffy statement at Holdem quite the hate that I feel is consuming. I've never hated anyone the way that I hate you the thoughts it's of what the girls went through the anger of fuel turns to physical pain. It hurts to brave. I would like to say the death penalty ready for you but even that would not be enough. Scott Povey said that when he heard he step daughter and granddaughter had been murdered unquote. My heart was ripped out of me than my soul tone out of existence judge accepted the prosecution submission that Haldeman crimes were motivated by several factors sexual financial and as evident by him keeping the the photographs of the indignities inflicted on Kali the thrill of the kill while the exact cause of CANTU laces death couldn't bay determined determined judge. He had no debt she suffered significantly into De. Luckily prompted at least in part by Holden's need to cover up the murder. You're of Kali judge hime quite the last moments of collies. LAWF- must've been horrendous. She was physically separated from Chow alone in an isolated location in a forest with a man she had trusted and had romantic feelings full. He's treatment of her showed complete disdain for her existence as a human being to him she was just flesh with a loft that could be extinguished pleasure even without being able to be satisfied beyond reasonable debt what it was that motivated the offender to do what he did. I am satisfied that the manner in which the offender killed Kelly piece Davidson and the circumstances in which it occurred and meant to a murder of extreme strain gravity and appalling depravity. He's a murderer at the top of the range of objective seriousness. Daniel Holdem was sentenced to life imprisonment for the murders of Cain delays peace and colleague piece Stevenson Yeah so court has statement delivered on behalf of the victim's family read. No sentence will ever bring closure. He murdered a young mother and her child he stole their whole lives from them and from us we leave daily without Collie and catalase and will do so for the rest of our lives left. He's brutality will haunt us forever exactly how the suitcase containing cantu laces buddy went unnoticed for almost a decade along. Karuna highway remains unknown hauled him said he left it on the side of the road in two thousand. How's the night but nobody noticed the suitcase until two thousand fifteen reports of a well dressed sixty year old main saint carrying a matching suitcase on the outskirts of Wanaka earlier that year remain a mystery has hey has never been identified no charges wherever revelator against Tiso possible in two thousand Sixteen Shave Danny out of court settlement with Holdem for an undisclosed a man fidel images seem relation to the two thousand and eight car crash commissioner for victims robots. McConnell worked closely with the police when they were in the the process of identifying came delays piece in a two thousand nine hundred nine interview with Channel Nine Karn phys program sixty minutes markle said Ed. This is the saddest case often candid this man not only took one human beings lawf- but he to to a mother and child. He stole their lives and he stole the opportunities that the family had to share his lives with them. The lowest list of the Lowe is kind words in my opinion an obituary for the mother and he saw nd off by the names of loving family members coupled with the message. Not a die guys bought that we don't think about you Rangel's Collie and and candle ace.

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Prof. Cheryl Maslen, who is professor of medicine at Oregon Health & Science University

Scientific Sense

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Prof. Cheryl Maslen, who is professor of medicine at Oregon Health & Science University

"Welcome to the site of accents. Podcast where we explore emerging ideas from signs policy economics and technology. My name is gill. Eappen we talk with woods leading academics and experts about the recent research or generally of topical interest scientific senses at unstructured conversation with no agenda or preparation be color a wide variety of domains. Red new discoveries are made and new technologies are developed on a daily basis. The most interested in how new ideas affect society and help educate the world how to pursue rewarding and enjoyable life rooted in signs logic at inflammation v seek knowledge without boundaries or constraints and provide edited content of conversations bit researchers and leaders who low what they do a companion blog to this podcast can be found at scientific sense dot com and displayed guest is available on over a dozen platforms and directly at scientific sense dot net. If you have suggestions for topics guests at other ideas please send up to info at scientific sense dot com and i can be reached at gil at eappen dot info. My guest today is shouldn't maslin. Who is professor of medicine. At oregon. health and science university research focuses on the genetic basis of cardiovascular defects with the focus on rare disorders to create the increase of these tracks in particular syndrome and down syndrome. But i'm sure thinking. Yeah thanks for doing so. I want to start with one of your recent papers. Identifying genetic factors that contribute to the increased risk of congenital heart defects in insensitive dump central. So down syndrome obviously That got people know-alls And this is if you have down syndrome. Then the probability of having this defect is significantly. Increase right to set the is idea. It's usually increased particularly for the congenital heart defect that we refer to as an atrial ventricular central effect which is basically a big hole in the heart. If you think about What you learned about the heart as early as grade school. You know that it's divided into four chambers that the blood flows from chamber to chamber and it goes in An oxygenated and the hearts helps it with oxygen and then it goes back out to the rest of the body to provide another other nutrients and so if there isn't a separation in the heart if that somehow doesn't form properly Then you don't get mixing of the two types of blood from babies can be what we call blue babies where their skin especially around their nails and lips turns blue because they're not getting enough oxygen to their tissues so It's a very very rare occurrence in the general population but in down syndrome. Up to around thirty percent of those have a complete atrial ventricular central defect but up to fifty percent of them. Have some other form of defect in the heart that disrupts the separation of the chambers of the heart. So that's a huge increase over what we see in the general population. So if you have the you don't survive a book if you have a you can survive at birth Many years ago that was not the case but these days the surgical interventions are such that these children can and are saved and So surgery to repair the heart and they can go on to leads Relatively normal lives for somebody with down syndrome Although some of them remain at risk throughout their lives for problems with their heart. And um we don't really understand why that is some of it may be that surgery although repairs the problem may also cause Some some damage when it's being done. But we also think that the genetics of why they ended up having a navy st to begin with maybe are at play throughout their lives. So maybe The genes that are in fall might be involved in Not just making the heart of also keeping it healthy through your life. So if the gina's defective then it's not doing his job. And i always think of it like like the maintenance crew that somebody's slacking off and not doing their job. Damn the damage is gonna pile up over over time. Right and 'cause your problems later down the line so i don't know if the right way to think about it show is easiest these sort of a spectrum that The heart did not really get manufactured so to speak as as normal funk normal process and so it could have lead defect. It could have maybe less severe and so on precisely. Yeah that's very much. What happens in how we think about. It is a spectrum of defects. And there are some we recalled cardiac septa depicts because the septa or the walls of the heart in the internal walls of the heart that have wholesome them and some of those were quite survivable and some of them are small enough that the even actually just self repairs you grow and never require surgery. So it's really the the big holes that are the ones that pair of themselves and they're going to continue to cause you a lot of problems and and it affects the lungs as it turns out that you you get pulmonary disease because you're trying. Your lungs are trying so hard working so hard to get oxygen to the body That they're being overstressed. That's one of the major problems with this in white has to be repaired because otherwise it's it's not long term survivable so you have a study To study in that identify risk associated genes at pathways and drake salmon potential quality janik contribution to evs. Indeed you could you describe but you have seven hundred In degree to him in this study. Yes yeah so. So one of the great things about being a geneticist in this day and age is that the tools that we have available to us to Look for genetic causes of disease are very powerful and So we undertook this study. I work with a large group of people. This is not anything that one lap can do on. Its own and so i work with in particular Stephanie sherman at emory university and roger reeves at johns hopkins and together. We developed Stephanie started the development of the down syndrome heart project and then We were invited along with We spent probably at least a decade of not more just recruiting study subjects with down syndrome to participate in our study since this has a very long history of work behind it because you can't do human genetic studies without humans and humans that are well kirk and so we. We amassed this This cohort of individuals with down syndrome. Who have been really our partners in studying different aspects of down syndrome and so from those we selected individuals with down syndrome which is three copies of chromosome twenty one and we verified that That they actually had those three copies of chromosome. Twenty one and a complete av city and the standard of care in this country for down syndrome is because they are such high risk of having a heart defect that we have records of echocardiogram or other studies so the or even surgical records for st. So we know exactly what they look like. This is important when you're doing genetic studies because if you start up phenotype if you have unintentionally Groups of people that don't all have the same defector disease. It messes up your study basically. And so then we're able to do whole. Xm and whole genome sequencing and so in other words. We're looking at the sequence of all of their genes and then trying to put that together with the phenotype that we're interested in so if we look at somebody with down syndrome who has totally healthy heart and those individuals exist about fifty percent down syndrome and then we compare their genomes to individuals with down syndrome and an obvious t. Do we see differences. Are those differences significant in any given gene and So that's that's the design of the study trying to find out what it is about trisomy. Twenty one that makes you susceptible to having a navy. St but doesn't cause it it's not sufficient in and of itself so you have to have something else that that is causative and a. We were hoping we're expecting really defined jeans in other parts of the genomes that have changes in them that interact essentially. We try something. Twenty one to cost the apa steam. So you mentioned the paper i. It's a party. Janet contributions complex set of factors. And what like do you find. Show you get to those aspects of that that appears to contribute to the you mentioned. Lungs also Based diseases that you look at here do or that's different. That's different. We are the lung disease that is associated with down syndrome. We think is acquired in other words. It's because of the heart defect so it would be secondary to her and in any of these genetic studies. You don't want to think that you can ask too many questions of one data set because there's so specifically designed to answer the specific question that you're asking that it's unlikely that most studies will have so-called'statistical power to answer multiple questions. So we're very very focused on. This is the one thing that we're interested in here doesn't mean that we can't use the genetic the data to ask and answer other questions but The specific analysis wouldn't be the same so strong Genetech Genetic based Probability for down syndrome networks disciplining the family so down syndrome the increase. Risk when you have a child with down syndrome. The increased risk for having a second child with down syndrome is greater than somebody who doesn't have a kid with down syndrome but it's not very much greater acceptance certain instances so I met once a mother who had a child with down syndrome. But she also had a child with another chromosome. Disorder called turner's syndrome. Now they're two very different. Thanks turner's syndrome is the loss of a second sex chromosome so they only have a single x chromosome and There's there's some there's some distinction there that subtle but they are essentially. They've lost a chromosome. Down's syndrome you've actually gained a chromosome trisomy twenty one now but these cider genetic or chromosome disorders occurs through a common pathway called non disjunction so when the cells are dividing and they in particular this during early development. That you are pairing up chromosomes. And if they don't destroying the way they're supposed to. They're not separating the way that they're supposed to you can get an error and so. This woman told me that her doctor told her she was the queen of non-discrimination because she obviously has something in her probably in her genetics that makes her susceptible to having non disjunction when she is Procreating and so there are rare. Instances where you have families that have multiple individuals with down syndrome or in her case to different disorders. Both chromosome abnormalities. But those are rarities in the general population The risk of having a second down syndrome or do the second turner's syndrome child is actually quite rare is issue that the utilize sequence Association testing party genyk. Liz core method. So could come up with sort of a score of idiocy to have. Yeah that's what our goal is. Were hoping We're still got a ways to go. It looks like we probably need larger studies and maybe more Highly powered studies so to speak. But the idea is that there would maybe be very specific combination of of factors that go into causing. Sdn down's syndrome and We we've got. Some leads is to what those might be. But but Statistically not strong In contrast in in our studies of turner syndrome we are actually finding what we were hoping to find in down syndrome. And that is That turner syndrome through similar methodologies. We've actually determined that. There is a gene Actually chromosome twenty two that inter that has Changes in it that interact with a gene on the x chromosome and we think that that causes the heart defect called by custody or valve disease or syndrome so so that study showed us that this is possible in down syndrome for some reason. It's just more complex. I think the genetics are more complex. And so it's more difficult for us to detect have detection Before books off child Some probability of the s happening and if so If abnd could be pleasant so there so there is Prenatal testing quite robust prenatal testing for down syndrome. And it's interesting that you ask that. Because there was an article in a recent issue of the atlantic and i. I'm not going to remember the title of the article. Exactly but i think it was something like the last child with down syndrome and i i disagree with the title because Prenatal testing is not going to make down syndrome. Disappear from the face of the earth for very many reasons. People choose not always to abort a down syndrome pregnancy. Your women that don't have access to prenatal diagnosis and testing You know so. There's there's a lot of reasons. Why down syndrome disappear. But the article itself was was very balanced and well written and It was based mostly on data from denmark where the rate of termination of down syndrome. Fetuses that are detected by Prenatal testing is actually quite high. I think she said it was around. Ninety five percents Is less in this country. I think it depends on where you are but yes. They're good reason to be looking at the heart early on in these babies to detect Heart defects and that prepares them for in a life birth to Be ready to manage the infant clinically and get them to surgery at the appropriate time so that they do survive so so that that that's a common practice if if it's a known Down syndrome child. They're they're definitely monitor it very early on for evidence of heart defects so that they can be managed appropriately and with the urgency that the heart defect requires. But you know a lot of them sadly. Don't make it to lie. Birth to the the The loss of pregnancy because of a heart defect just not making it. A viable infant is not insignificant. Is pretty high. yeah feel successful really determined that the score. I guess that school could be applied even before right you'd give us some some blessed of The down syndrome existing fellas down syndrome coupled with david right and it sounds to me. Show nothing about this but this type of data might be amenable to eat some of the machine learning techniques right You know since you have a goal of down syndrome patients. Some of them develop. Evs tvs teach. South isn't a spectrum A one bedroom staple data might be aval machine. Learning said something. That is something that we're very very much interested in and think that it's very exciting in its potential and all kinds of pivot back to turner's syndrome as the example for this because not everybody with turner syndrome is what we would call forty five ax in other words. You instead of having. Forty six chromosomes that you have forty five and then one of them has to be an ex because that's the only survivable loss of a second sex chromosome but fifty percent of those individuals. Have all these other complex rearrangements. They're not just cleaned. Forty five x. They might be mosaic. In other words they might have some cells that are forty five accents from the forty six six six or they have translocations of chromosomes of crazy things that we see there and it's a challenge but i also see it as a very very rich data set because there is this normal survivable large scale genetic variation and we know that or higher risk for having heart defects people with these other rearrangements. But we don't understand the other rearrangements anymore. And if we did whole genome sequencing it would be very very challenging It would require machine learning techniques to sort out the the rich data there and help us understand not just the heart defects but all of the other comber bibi's that occur in turner syndrome and the same can be said for down syndrome. Although the vast majority of individuals with down syndrome are very clean. Trisomy twenty one. However jill human genome is is vast vast spaces. You know and it's very complex and there's all kinds of subtleties that were just becoming aware of in terms of distinction. So yeah absolutely. I think that machine learning We're lagging behind. We really need to catch and find partners for those efforts because the way we're going to fully appreciate what the data is telling us. Yes has talk of a clinton syndrome little but you have under the people tuna syndrome. So you plan to send its gotta be shuttled. This is the the x chromosome is missing. that's it can actually be an x chromosome. That's missing or a y chromosome. That's missing these people turner's syndrome marfina typically female because they have only an x chromosome and know why but on some individuals we see a little bit of residual why material that tells us that they started out destined to be genetically male and that why got lost mostly along the way and so they. They don't do that. Transition to the male phenotype and But the residual white tells us that they started out there and and didn't arrive so second sex chromosome as what we say so it's a deficiency of a second sex chromosome but It's really important distinction. That what we're seeing is not equivalent to male males only have a single x chromosome also That these individuals are missing. Whatever material that they needed on their second or y chromosome to Be fina typically normal so says would be sought. The you know the wounds identify will feature of syndrome that have been there tend to be small. There is growth retardation early on and so there is a a gene called the shocks gene on the x chromosome. And if you only have one copy you don't reach normal height. You don't advance to puberty Essentially growth So very short stature. the standard of care here is that they're now treated with growth hormones so that they can reach some Growth potential but also with Sex hormones because of they don't reach puberty it which becomes a very dangerous thing that if you're if you're not getting estrogen progesterone To treat that you can have really severe osteoarthritis and other things that are that are actually clinically very damaging and so They need to be taken Pharmacologically into puberty in order. Because they have primary it will vary. Failure is another feature of it so very interesting disorder. We we we refer to it. As a condition that largely predisposes these individuals to a wide variety of other common things in the human genome earned the human experience. So they have a really really high rate of congenital heart defects in as many surgi- fifty percent of them have what's called by cusp valve and associated or disease Which is the order being. The large festival feeds the the body that if they have a disease and it becomes damaged and ruptures. That of course is At the very best life threatening. It's it's oftentimes fatal and but they also have this really high rate of cardiovascular related disease throughout life not just congenital heart defects but they die earlier and in greater numbers from cardiovascular related to seize than people of all diseases in all causes of death in the general population do and so Saying it is that they. They die earlier and more frequently of cardiovascular disease than anybody else in the population and i i think that that is is fascinating. We know that as children they have At least we think we know there's evidence that as children. They have very early onset hypertension. Oh they have a very when we're studying the snell on on. Don't have the data yet. But we believe that they have very high rate of early onset type two diabetes much higher than the general population. So it's like they have all of the common things that occur in the general population Some over in the general population associated with lifestyle. But they're getting these things much earlier at age and and sort of a much more fatal way in a way that we believe is genetically driven and This is not like i mean i. You can't discount lifestyle obviously but just as very rich population to be studied That will not just serve the may be around eighty thousand individuals in the us with turner syndrome. But it's going to answer really important questions about the health of everybody every one of us Because it's going to identify in a way that probably isn't possible to studying the general population at least not feasible In terms of just the amount of money at were taken the amount of work that it would be We can we can start. Asking questions of that are about really hard. Topics like hypertension diabetes heart disease obesity metabolic disease things that we worry about for all of us every single day. We've got this population. And they i in my mind there. The answer there the population that we should be studying genetically find answers for disease for all of us. Yes oh yum. Would it be correct to think about that. Operation sort of accelerating these these things that be really about. The general population like you mentioned hypertension diabetes Obesity and so on which is a big part of our health. Care costs Just because of lifestyle Destitute of syndrome population sort of accelerate. I think that It's a my colleagues that i talk about this quite a lot that we think that they actually have what we call advanced cardiovascular age on and so three you know that just like i said seems to me a research gold mine to the benefit of all of us and we are working I'm working with colleagues in particular. Dr michael silverback Hugh building along with turner syndrome society of the us which are sort of patient advocate partner attorney syndrome research registry. So that like. I described for down syndrome. Earlier will have access to patient cohort to do these studies. You don't then. It's just a matter getting finding the money out we've got. The technology will have the patient population But these are obviously pretty expensive experiments to do But we also already have over a thousand people in our registry so we have the statistical power to answer these questions and what we will need You know machine learning experts and partners to know how to do things that we don't know how to the data but we know what the question to ask and how to ask. Yeah and if there's gotta clean so envious. evs's is severe issue but the tunnel syndrome population could have could have all the mud. So ninety to ninety nine percent of turner syndrome is actually lost in utero. So what we're seeing in the live births are the least severe heart defects and yet they have Like i said all of these cardiovascular issues that significantly shorten their life span and they it damaged his quality of life also they They do have things like vsd's and others really severe heart defects that are not nearly as survivable so we see we see only the more mild ones but this huge increase in incidence of by custody valve where maybe thirty forty percent of people with turner syndrome have a be av in the general population about two percent of males and point five percent of females. That are chromosome only normal. We'll have a be av and to me that's interesting because it suggests in males in just in the general population males have a much higher risk than females. So there's something that's played a turner's syndrome. Same thing is that is the loss of the second x chromosome in turner syndrome that probably Is missing in the mail. That's so there's something about in other words. There's something about having two x chromosomes protective from this heart. Defect and the dangerous thing about this heart. Defect is it. Can it can pretty much go undetected but down the road for some reason that we don't really understand you might have a disease that can be quite deadly. So there's something about having a congenital heart defect by custody valve that predisposes this season vigils to having an order that is that is susceptible to Rupturing which of course is devastating. So yeah very interesting so so you could have a missing. You could also have a fifty x or maybe rent complete. Yes right and that shows have been in different ways but all of these seem to point to cardiovascular diseases is is dead might be flying all describe the thing about turner syndrome as they also have a very high of neuro central hearing loss. They have skeletal defects. They have learning disabilities. they also have a specific cognitive defect. Which is kind of a spatial thing so that they tend to be very bright individuals That are you know i. I know individuals turner's syndrome judges Attorneys their physicians. there geneticists social workers. They won't be engineers or airline pilots though because they can't really relate to things in time and space very easily. So if i give somebody with turner syndrome math and have them go from pointed to a be there. They're going to be terribly likely to be able to do it for the most part. And so there is so much to be learned from turner's syndrome In terms of all of these different things. Cardiovascular's what i focus on cardiovascular geneticist but We i have colleagues throughout the turner's Turner's resource network. That are working on all of these different aspects of turner syndrome as though with one study or an experiment so to speak. So if we were able to whole genome sequencing on a large number of individual turner's syndrome we could then take that genetic information and pass it out to everybody who's interested in studying it and answer a huge variety of questions that are outfit in some ways. again do these patients showing Premature aging. that's not the case. That's one thing that. I am really interested in because there is something phenomenon this that's not terribly well studied but is becoming more and more appoint of interest nuts called janetta gauging so the things that control your genes the factors that control your genes show an epa genetic clock so to speak it changes over time as we change over time it makes it makes intuitive sense that as we age we change and that means that the way our genes are acting. They're also changing and there have been studies that have shown there is what's called an epa genetic clock and there I am really interested in asking and answering the question. And we're doing this study right now. In fact in my lab do individuals with turner's syndrome show advanced epa cage compared to other individuals. So sorry about that so So i think that There is just a wealth of information out there in these individuals and You know for for the one of the few million dollars To to do this study. I think that It's going to i just hope that Really individuals with turner syndrome are going to find their way into mainstream research so that the wealth of genetic in epa genetic information can be used to good effect for everybody yet. I just want to operation right. So you said eighty thousand eight hundred thousand In three hundred million of the us so issue is he doing internationally. Yeah absolutely and For instance. I have a colleague in denmark who runs the danish turner's syndrome registered so their efforts elsewhere too and we do work together And i have collaborated on more than one study. And so yes and i think that just through the turner's research network alone say that we were able to get the maybe three to five million dollars to to sequence the genomes of thousand Turner syndrome study subjects. That would be very very powerful. We could answer a lot of questions without information excellent. We'll take a quick break. Aldi come back it. We'll talk more about the research network. This is a scientific sense. Podcast providing unscripted conversations with leading academics and researchers on a variety of topics. If you like to sponsor this podcast please reach out to in full at scientific sense dot com so get back shallow. You're talking about Some of chromosome defects related diseases like catoon syndrome and down syndrome and associated Cardiovascular disease problems And and one of the ideas that you have a lot of work in and continue to do a lot of work in his sukur us tuna syndrome media You have a conference on this that That happened that you look people coming out of the conference. You mentioned the research network in this paper. So is that a sort of a formal or may sation or is just a network of universities. A virtual organization basically that was founded by my colleague. Dr michael sober bach. Who is a pediatric cardiologist and has specialized in turner syndrome throughout his career and he has had the Scientific and professional advisory boards of the turner's syndrome society of the us and he has been a very strong advocate for turner's syndrome. Research Is it was actually his enthusiasm knowledge. That got me involved in this area of research and Many years ago. And i get the date wrong probably but around two thousand fourteen. The formation of what was caught. We're calling the turner's resource network and enthusiastically accepted the opportunity to be on that particular board and approach Nih for funding for conference and brought together specialists from all over the world who are interested in turner's syndrome to discuss the state of the art of research Stern syndrome the needs we had patient. Advocates there Individuals with turner syndrome or parents have girls with turner syndrome to tell. Tell us what they thought their needs. Were i learned longtime ago through our down syndrome. Work that you always listen to the families and the patients. They're the ones that know what they need. But we can. We can ask all kinds of interesting questions. But are we asking things that are relevant to these individuals and in terms of studying These disorders with an eye towards cardiovascular diseases or defects what. An one hundred children is born with cardiovascular. Defective some sort and that's an enormous number. I mean they're elation of any given type so having a navy. Sds rare but if you lumped together all congenital heart defects including things like by custody valve. Which is the most common. Congenital heart defect That one hundred kids that's astounding The there are that many children born every year with a heart defect or another and yet these individuals with turner syndrome down syndrome. Haven't even much much higher rate of being bored with a heart defect and so so that's kind of the the global context of whitest study this and to bring together all of the experts The goal was for the turner's resource network not just to ask about cardiovascular disease but all of the other commodities do this and so we actually have Monthly board meetings to discuss the various issues We try to be cognizant of the funding opportunities but our largest effort right now is to build this turner syndrome research registry in conjunction with turner syndrome society of the us and i mentioned earlier that is well underway own. We have a robust platform. We have individuals who are doing the informed consent process to get permission to include people into this registry and like. I said we've got over a thousand turner syndrome. Study participants already in the registry adding in their information and our premise is that the this should be a two way street that these individuals are contributing all the time. If you've got a rare disorder turner's syndrome down syndrome. You're constantly being a participate in one steadier. Another having a registry eases the burden on because individuals because it centralize them and then studies come through the turner's resource network to the registry and make a request to use that resource and so it lowers the burden on the participants but it also makes them owners of their own data and their own information. And that's that's paradigm shifting. That's not something that happens. Often in research If at all that we were utilized study participants and then we kind of just walk away with the data and And this is a agreement that we have that my colleague dr silverback like into a handshake that we are telling them that. Yes we need you to participate in order to do these studies but that you own your data and that we are. We're partnering with you. We are not asking you to enroll in a study That you'll never seen any thing from basically. Yeah but it's really interesting term syndrome. You touched on this before you saying that. People that should not only be viewed A disorder also mortar for common diseases. That have made sex twice ten population And so that makes us coal ball really studying turner syndrome not just as disorders. You say but you mentioned before we could learn commended mound Bowed sort of common diseases like hypertension diabetes obesity city and so on of bitches brady highly prevalent in the population right. Yes yes yeah and so how do you. I know that this has just started the registry tons into sweet As you mentioned this bridge This data but You know those conditions in some way or do you see some sort of a population based study that combined with the syndrome specific population so yes to both basically that What we want to have in the turner's syndrome study is Large enough population so that we're catching all of these komori Diseases that go. Along with turner syndrome in sufficient numbers to be studied and certainly heart defects is going to be one of the easier ones but type two diabetes is going to be one of our pilot. Study to We when you're doing genetic analysis we think that probably will need to in some ways until we get better at machine learning at least To study turner syndrome with versus turner's syndrome. So say the study. That i did. You read about where we were looking. At custody order valve in turner syndrome. We compared that group of people to individuals attorney syndrome. Who have a normal heart. Because i was concerned that there would be too much noise if we compared them to the general population. We'd have to figure out ways of dealing with The x chromosome abnormalities in turner syndrome compared to individuals that don't have those abnormalities however over time as we get better and better at these analyses figure out ways to have more sophisticated analysis of the data that we should be able to also combine it with the general population and learn a lot that way too and as you. I don't know if you mentioned this syndrome is again sort of like a spectrum right it. it's it's like the The could be missing the x chromosome with incomplete and so on so busy spectrum of Deceased states to right absolute lack and we see individuals turner's syndrome who Range and everything from some of them being wheelchair-bound from skeletal abnormalities others. That are perfectly healthy. And you wouldn't you wouldn't. Visually distinguish them from Just a maybe somewhat slightly shorter female individual and everything in between including said the very high rate of of early young death from cardiovascular related diseases and that can that can be visually silent right so that you could be walking down the street with somebody type two diabetes and you'll never ever know it but Some have the other things that are. Just you know very apparent some die in infancy as i mentioned that the vast majority of turner syndrome consensuses die in. Utera don't make it to libraries so We've got a huge amount of work. Cut out for us but there is. There's just so much here to be learned from this population that that is worth the effort one of the things that you mentioned the people is Sort of of the nih Research funding could look at them since because it starts in lots of different eight years Some very specific you see these types of You know May be looked at differently H about what. What are your thoughts on bad so national institutes of health and institutes is plural. Because it a lot of people say national institute of health that's incorrect the institute's there are multiple institutes under the nih rela and They tend to be a body parts specific so to speak. We get much of our funding through the national institute of heart lung blood and sleep disorders. There's the national cancer institute. There's the national institute of aging and you could go on and on diabetes And then so what you see. Then as the comer biddies in turner syndrome spread across all of the national institutes of health. And if you're studying congenital heart defects you will go to. Nhlbi the national heart lung and blood institute because that is their mission We once were writing a proposal and it was for a mechanism that nhlbi doesn't have and so we went to national institute of child. Health disease Health and i see it and they refuse to us and said no you're working on the heart therefore you're not The subject isn't appropriate for our institute. So they don't step on each other's toes they do. They stay in their own lands and we were arguing but as a childhood disease in you. You are child. Health and human development Institute they said yeah but to do with the heart. We can't touch it and so so there's For turner syndrome of specific problem in getting funding. Because you know no one. And i h institute sort of takes ownership of turner's syndrome as a condition. They'll they'll they'll be may be interested in heart defects in the heart lung and blood institute. But they're not gonna wanna hear about diabetes. That goes to a different institute. And so you've become very diluted out and that could be seen as an opportunity but actually we've seen it more as a barrier because a lot of people don't really appreciate why one should study disorders. There's so much else going on. In the world we need to focus or elsewhere however as a result at least in part i think of efforts are linked to think so that a couple of years ago Heart lung and blood institute issued a rare disorders grant opportunity and it was substantial as four million dollars per grant and turner syndrome was named as one of the specific that they wanted to see on worked on. And so we're very excited getting ourselves all geared up and ready and writing the grant and then cove nineteen hits and all bets are often in the The request for applications was discontinued now. It was devastating to us because we were well into it. Put a lot of work in the two very excited for the opportunity. But i understand i mean the world has changed in last year significantly and priorities had to change. I'm just hoping that when we come back to a more normal time that it won't be forgotten that rare disorders such as turner syndrome are incredibly important. To study in that resources will come back into that arena so got pollution show. So you have the terms in brusett beginning to Beginning to put together That sort of reduces the bootle on patients And makes the process dogma systematic if you look forward five years you'd think balloon make a significant discoveries developments in this area. I think the biggest bang for the buck right now will be as i mentioned. Numerous times whole genome sequencing of a substantial number of individuals with turner's syndrome. In an unbiased way. We're just looking at their genome sequences and then have that available as a resource for individuals who study turner's syndrome. And we're we're trying to see the future now. We're trying to set the stage for the future now. So we're we're we have one individual who Rebecca nick meyer. Who is studying the brain aspect turner syndrome so to speak the the spatial and cognitive dysfunction. And she is set up to do a pilot project with some whole. Xm data that we already have in hand with turner syndrome and but to look forward to the future. We want to have all of these genomes done so that we can then have that data used over and over and over again for a variety of different projects and mine would certainly be focused on the congenital heart and cardiovascular disease aspect And i would partner with a lot of different individuals who specialize in diabetes. Were already working on that With sean lee. Davis and hypertension would be another area and so i think that the impact cuckoo flawed across many different diseases worked on simultaneously. All off of the same large data set do you. Do you foresee a situation. But you can actually sit through gene editing or something like that. But i you know i i never say no or never because things remarkable things have been happening We are more focused In the cardiovascular arena on What can be done medically for these individuals to slow the progression of rampant cardiovascular related diseases I foresee the possibility of being able to pharmacologically treat. A word is so that they don't get we can rupture I think that there. There's a lot of potential there. The bigger picture of things like gene editing Like i said. I wouldn't say no to that at all but i have an easier time. Envisioning the more near future of all of the discoveries that we can make. I mean if you think about it we have stat and and sin can treat cardiovascular disease the way we do now is because of a rare disorder called familial hypercholesterolemia if that haven't been studied many back in the day And used as an example of learning how to figure out how cholesterol bio synthesis worked That we wouldn't have statins today and so rare disorders have a long lustrous history of helping us fix common diseases. And so i see turner syndrome in that arena of being able to help us figure out pathways for things like diabetes and cardiovascular disease and and central hearing not lost any of these different things and then figuring out ways to treatment and even maybe fix them yet. This has been a great show. Let's hope that been fixed at goldeneye dean situation so that you can continue this important message but be out there helping to get people vaccinated from my institution. Thanks thank you bye. This is a scientific sense. 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Freestyle with Miranda July

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I realize it was like ninety percent positive ten percent all I recall is the point. Look a little constructive. Criticism ever heard anyone sensitive. I just remember you saying some kind of Nice gibberish then sayings. What's your deal with? Not knowing how posed for pictures really say that yet. I was like you said you always looked so uncomfortable and I was like well I am. I don't know how to do it that often think of you. When I'm having my picture type in thinking life this is could surely only be better only be more uncomfortable than no. Well still worry about it Colleges now I knew how to read beautiful woman and you have a killer fashion aesthetic. And you're very cool so got all you need to do is be in front of the camera in order for it to look amazing you just have to say. I asked for this. I started out to redeem yourself. I well I'm wearing the headphones on only one year by the way because I can't hear myself 'cause might have either so good so is that you're doing will normally we would decent person and you had been in our bed with us but because of quarantine we're not doing this however now. I'm I'm aflame wanting to know what every single book is on that bookshelf behind you literally. Wish she would take a photograph. Since what if we do performance art episode where you and I make ambient sounds and Miranda? Just calmly reads each book. Yes yeah they're also two hundred me. I could just start reading. Yeah K. Please do Donny. The whole episode. So anyone who wants to jump off now and another episode. I have is four bucks here all written by Miranda July. I fancy myself to be an incredible diet snob. When it comes to books and your four books preordered. The thefts are four of my all time favorites in. They hold a place of honor in my book shelves along with my other favorites and your novel. The first bad man is literally one of my all time favorite novels but like with Lolita and you know the house poop corner other classics of Literature. I'm so excited that you've and you've now compiled everything that you've like all of your pieces but not just What is your new book? That I've pre-ordered prey. It's I know I realize this is audio so this doesn't help. But like it's a hero showing. I'm showing it to her now here. It is you don't even have to order now Thing I just kind of went through chronologically and just included every almost every single project Solutions on everything performances. Yeah and audio pieces all different things. Because I realized most people I mean like you. Most people know like the books in the movies in those are the most accessible works for me. You know just because no one saw the interfaith charity shop that I made just as much effort you know. That's fine like I obviously like things of different scales in different audiences Ones not better but it did seem like well. Maybe it's interesting because they all flow into each other in terms of my life to show those like maybe now. I'm old enough that I could have a book like this without it seeming Ridiculous and in the whole thing is narrated by my friends and collaborators so it's kind of like an oral history type book because I got a little worried that like people who knew my work but maybe didn't necessarily by our Fox would buy the book in see the Boring Essay by the curator. That's always in a book like this and be like skip. That'd be sort of disappointed that you know that there was just basically sort of a picture book and a not not that those essays are always boring but I really wanted to be like a good read you know. I think the like show person in me was like can't the more for you know. And so it's it's Kinda modeled after on this shelf By about eighty Sedgwick. Did you ever read that? That was like all those are all histories. I read it in high school. I I mean he did like almost nothing in the died so she was just like very beautiful rich and part of Warhol's You know factory but But I thought like if they could do a whole book on her short life you know maybe I could pull this together. I'm very excited about it. Yeah because I know about some of your things like your chair. The charity shop that you Opened in selfridges in London. Yeah but I'm dying to see more. I feel like your instagram account. Is Verges on pure performance? Are It's so great? Your whole series that you've done with Margaret Qualley. I don't know Nick. I don't know if you know about the film as well. You Know Margaret. Qualley is because she was on the leftovers and other things that we've liked so sh- in the world of this piece she and Miranda have been in a long term committed relationship. And it's been pretty fraught They have a lot of fun together. They dance and they carry on but they also there's some they've had their troubles. This is so interesting. It's not this is a take. I haven't go ahead keep going. Okay Mrs my take on it. And then it's culminated in them. Having a commitment ceremony was a called. A hat has busy on Circle Hayes. His Yon which they wrote and why they Jaden Smith Dave about toss. Oh really deeply. Miss that heart apart came in and was like. Hey this I know this ceremony for impossible. Lives were not able to be together like it's more of an affair sa Ada and so ultimately we do Jaden ritual actually did it in here and Which involves like a soul Gribben and this circle of pennies I mean as he explained it. It's like a ritual for like a love that can't really be you know the can't combinator exist in. The world is so is so amazing. And it's made me really like one and a lot more about Margaret qualley too quickly. Crawley Qua- yeah. Yeah she's Great. Yeah it's so good. You have a lot of incredible things like that on your you're always posting little pieces One of my favorites was when you. I don't know where you were but you are summer where there is like a little cubby hallway. The ceiling climbed up and got into it. It's like this little hole in the wall but way up by the ceiling and she she gets in there and just stays there. Yeah that was a real you know when not to sound super snobby. I stayed in all different kinds of hotel rooms. But I think this is actually for the Selfridge's project Because every other time I'd come out they were happen to be kind of beautiful rooms or just sort of Nice. I expected you know I kept coming from. La to London back and forth. And then this one time and I didn't realize it was like threes aren't week and it was just really hard to get a room and so when I opened the door I just Kinda died. When you're like Ono like this is gone back like twenty years even then I would have been depressed here but now I'm like a fucking asshole my attitude towards it was so bad and I did you know I I said like is there any way. They're like you. You don't understand freeze Religious showed my provinciality that I was even thinking there might be a better room and Si- member that morning being like okay. There's something great about this room. What is it like? You're creative. Fine something good and unique about this and I literally just looked around and then I saw that coming up there and I'm like I'm GonNa fucking get in that I like. I just like that will make it. Ok in some ways. It did because like I got that he S- out of it and I I. That's what makes me happy. That's what makes me feel tae in a hotel room of any level. You know miss making something that I'm always going to have that kind of expresses in some very indirect way what I'm feeling right then So after that I was like I'm good. Don't were in a relationship in this hotel room. Just leave us alone. Yeah and there's an element of danger to it because it was really up there like you climb into it was dusty quite sweaty by the time I got there. I don't really I got my skirt. Yeah I love that story. I mean that's R- I love the idea of because I know that. Feeling well as touring artists when you depend on the comfort of whatever. Your lodging is like okay. I've done this. I have system in place so I am scared about playing a show for an audience but I know when I get to the hotel situation. Comfort begins and so when you when you are surprised with discomfort it does. There is a real asshole feeling of like my. God have become so soft but I love that notion that whatever your circumstances if you look around you just might find a strange cubby. Yes it makes it all worthwhile. Yeah so I just before we start talking about you know current events and those kinds of things. I want to talk about your work. A little bit more Sue You have three films or Nafeesa have ones are about to come out. Yeah could Julia. Yeah Yeah let's wait on that one because Me You and everyone we know though Was Your first film and I saw on your instagram that it was put into the criterion collection. So that US. I know I was so. It's sort of like the ultimate film Fan Award Yeah so great. And it's such a great movie and the future is another of your thumbs and it's also incredible And then you're I know you've been working on Kajillions for so long and you just had the premier in January and now we're all on lockdown. What's what's the deal with. Iran focused bought it. It's supposed to come out June nineteenth I like there's beautiful trailer that were putting the finishing touches on the soundtrack album is like we were like really went the distance on it. It's all I think. It's all gated. B O K in the sense that one way or another people will see this movie and I think it's pretty okay movie for this moment. You know high status as someone who needs a perfect fit in terms of my psyche and whatever I watch you know like I'm very sensitive and I think this one could be okay for now It's interesting I mean. Yeah we've been talking about that because in our world We don't we're not sick and we we know people who've had it and Somebody who I worked with Several years ago a few years ago. who was in his eighties passed away last week from it In the news is gruesome and terrifying and sad and all those things and yet in our world everything kind of going along day to day and so it's easy to just be like well. We just watched season two of temptation island. You know but we have to bear in mind that even now thousands hundreds of thousands of people have died and I mean at this point. Thousands of people have died and people are dying and people are taking care of people who are dying and so it's just hard to you know every everything is sort of Relative experience it's a strange tone to achieve at the same time we're creating content that will hopefully alleviate some stress. I have thought like I. I remember watching these videos from a doctor now and him sort of saying your job all of you out. There is to sustain to be able to sustain staying apart and inside for as long as we need you to. We'll do this job you know. We'll put these vent decide who gets ventilators. You do your job and so I guess in these moments when we aren't reading the news and like getting the reality through our head. It is sort of our job like care for ourselves so that we can do this potentially for her a lot longer than were even thinking you know And and I guess that's that's sort of where I'm at now is like okay. How do I sustain myself? Like what do I need each day to do that? So I can also sustain my family you know. And then all the people you know what their fleet bleak tax that are like. Can you talk in your book? Actually I can't like I have. I'm not freaking out right. The second I can be okay to talk to. This is like a real week. Three Approach if you talk to me last week or the week before I was definitely still in shock and I think now I'm late almost kind of in the frame of mind I am when I'm shooting or something you know how you get really like. Here's what I eat. Here's how I work out here. You know it's just like a real small focused world and it you know it's not forever but you know what it takes to be able to do your thing you know you would it. Does your world consist of right. Now what are the things that you need to do to stay on track? Yeah I wanNA hear yours is while I'm curious as we're Silo D- Let's see I mean my new thing is that I can write. You know like the last couple of weeks. I've been like who can write. Who can be creative? You know not in this time in like right now. My job normally would be to write my next novel. That's where my next paycheck is gonNA come from and So now it's like a get to my office on the IT depends on which shift I have school wise. I write for two hours. I do my workout for half an hour of which is really. I've never done a workout alone. Where you like reading a list of things that all like I would never be able to propel myself this hard normally allowed but I really like if I'm not worrying swept by the end failed and I really made. I think I think that I'm like a navy seal when I'm doing it and then and then I go home and do my shift Or I've started with that shift if need be and then later in the day I get another shift. This is all with the luxury of having my own. I'm in I- office right now. So that's great. I've never been so glad to have this place And then I do all my other work which frankly is it's it's normal. These are my normal priorities. I've just kind of reinstated them and there's about half as much time because there's no school for the child and then on the weekend I do all the cooking a whole bunch of cooking and cleaning the whole fucking house and like mop it while you're paying the regular house cleaner of which I think so I've never thought so hard about what we pay her. And how it could be any amount of money. I now realize would be sort of justified and data micros mushrooms life sort of midway and just like leave the responsible world like half half a day on the night in the night of sleeping and then I find. I'm kind of like reset to zero for the next week. I'm kind of like have had such a kind of an exhale and like a brain cleanse of it Microbes only on the weekends. Or Yeah Pam. It was something that the first batch I got was something I could have done almost at any time and not even remember that. I didn't you know as actually taking them to help me sleep. But for some reason the second batch is like a little more mushrooms which is fine but I I can't do. I'm like completely useless. I'm not like tripping. I'm just like trying to like. Put away a fork and then it's like three hours later and I'm like in the backyard of the four so I've learned that just like if I can declare like a zone of sovereignty just like lie down and listen to music or whatever. Yeah that's good. That sounds really good. You know we doing this. Because we're doing podcasts. All week raise overdoing like three a day. Basically so you're able to compare my system with other people systems no not. We haven't gotten anybody else's system so you're in a Stan category of your own. But I it's really helped to. It feels like a social life. You know I mean I was having nick. Nick is I think for the first time ever really experiencing symptoms of anxiety. That never really had before like having trouble sleeping having weird dreams and feeling. We're feeling spacey on and off. But I had been I had had a bad fall and winter like as something anomalous had happened to me and created a bad situation for me in terms of my anxiety and so I had had my first panic attacks just within the last several months and then I'd been working really hard to get better and I had actually gotten felt much better and then two weeks later this all happened and I still feel like I'm better than I was but I was starting to get a lot more. You know exiled in on that kind of thing and then since we've been doing the pie casts. I feel like that's lifted a little bit so I'm GonNa take that to heart I even though I had been really in touch with a lot of my friends and stuff and making a point of doing that I think there's something to be said for having a visual rather than just texting or something like that. Yeah it helps but we would have. We been doing. I mean we've been doing this all week but basically we love the funny thing is we had just this because we get to like travel and do different exciting jobs on tour to Australia or go shoot a TV show in London for us in because we both get to be busy like that. We HAVE TO CALL OUT VACATION TIME. Usually at least a year in advance. We'll say like okay. Next January is ours. Everybody can go to hell. And then the most exotic thing for us to do is stay home and be boring and do like Jigsaw Puzzles. And listen to Audio. Do you do that? Do you call out like January vacation time and then you stay home. Oh amazing and we've got you know we've got a couple of puzzles working right now and also the funny thing is that we actually have been preparing for this. This is what we do anyway and so we. Yeah I mean we. We definitely have to learn to shoulder the unrest the general on we of the world. Just because it's weird it's unnerving for everybody well in our. Our downtime started on December Eighteenth. So they've been doing this. Basically December eighteen origins including including a pretty hardcore road trip with all three of our dogs and then another couple of trips here and there And Meghan I have to wash my hands for thirty seconds before I can touch megan but that's any guest anytime. Yeah so we so but but we kind of We're we're limiting our news intake because Iran a in the entire ramp up to this we specifically me but then nick by default had been obsessively watching news an hour down to. We'll watch for maybe a half an hour an hour we get so much of our anyway right but we'll just I'd like Rachel Maddow at out. I this is that part of my week. Three protocol actually is like you don't like you're not in charge of the Death Count Miranda July like you don't know like each time it's updated like like you just need to know like okay. Now we wear face masks out in the world but you know like make it out of a scarf. Good good to know And Yeah just the general tilt of things but not I mean it's Kinda like during Like right after trump was elected in terms of like. I remember like not being able to stop. You know like the show John like away. But you know you're not you can't sleep because of it I think yeah so now. I'm on a very spare diet of that and yeah we're we're rationing also And I agree because you need to know you got to get the bullet points and then beyond that. There's not that much that we can really personally do about it at this moment in time. Except you know as they say in Taoist thought the superior man perfects his own sphere. Ray because until you've kind of tried to make yourself and your own day to day world as best as it can be can't really help other people's to any great degree this down. This Dow lady makes good sense isn't really cute. Yeah so yeah and you were talking about reading. I haven't really been able to read and I'm like I said I'm a big reader and I haven't really been able to read for a while but I'm getting to the point where I've decided okay. I'm going to start. I have a couple of graphic novels that are really good like Chris. Ware and Nick Reynoso. And I'm in a Start with a graphic novel which is weird for me because I I've been listening to books on auto so that some I've listened to a lot of books actually but I haven't been able to like really read hard copy for a while because my focus was weird. I been in a good run of reading my child like my favorite books for my childhood which are seemed to all be about orphan. Girls were currently reading the little princess. Did either of you read that e I love the little princess how kids so and so I I. My life has now gotten to the point. Where like I I look for. That's like the highlight of my day is US reading little princess. And it's so I mean it is so dramatic that book you know the Newman's of fortune and you know Just realize it's it's there's a little dickens light or something you know that. Yeah and Oh it's great. It's I'm actually plan out. What what we're GONNA go to after that because I guess the secret garden because I don't that's like sort of the linchpin of my whole life. That's that book was very important to me as a child. I love that but I never read the secret garden. Sime actually writing. Yeah it's a little less. It's it's almost like replace the thrill of interior decoration. That happens in the business with the Thrill of which depending on your temperament yeah a little harder to get into a but I don't you know it's GonNa. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA fix. What other books edgy? When you're a kid Well a big one that no one's ever heard of that that we read before a little princess is a Mandy also about an orphan Very little girls was kind of I my Bible to stock. Yeah Yeah weirdly by Julie. Andrews found music lambs. Yeah but it's great. I think my whole like my husband was overhearing me. Read some of it and he was like. Oh Wow okay actually your whole deal your whole world can really be on discovery through this book just all right there like you really didn't all hospice basic framework of like high will survive by living in a fantasy and maybe one day someone will save me fantasy and common safety. It's not a bad way to go. I mean anything else did you. Did you read Did you like mysteries or anything like that? I think it's like I'm now thinking of like Nancy. Drew and the hardy boys. I think whenever I read those books I was sort of like putting on a show like I thought it might look like if I was reading. Those were all but they weren't actually good I read all the Ray Bradbury books. Oh yeah can those worker But I'm most of course remember the illustrated man What about the I've had thought of this for a long time since then but I read the the hardy boys and Nancy drew books said Nancy Nancy. Nancy and we had a series of books that was even like predated that age wise called Encyclopedia Brown. No He's after that after he's Yeah. We should pretend. We don't even know who the hardy boys are. What boys are these? We only know about encyclopedia around us. Like bugs meany. Its name stick with you. I need you might encounter bugs. Iran all the Agatha Christie books. When I was a kid too but I my parents had all those Charles Adams Adams family like a so. I was kind of obsessed with all the stuff. That's how I I think. My first first exposure to that kind of linked dark humor. The right yeah. My parents were very snobby so it was things had to be of a certain caliber which is actually pretty random. It just had to be that they had heard of it until like enter our house. Yeah I ended up feeling like I missed out on a good thanks. Where did you grow up in Berkeley? Oh Cool I love. The California girls are so many. Good ones. Where you from Well I was born in Los Angeles but I grew up Like kindergarten through high school and Oklahoma City. Okay Yeah and nick grew up in a small town outside of Chicago called. Manuka like basically a farm town and we have an age difference nicot much older not really and so even though his town is really different from Oklahoma City there are they bear some similarities in terms of just the the vibe and kind of the lack of anything to do and kind of stuff. Is there really an age difference between you? He's not twelve but eleven and a half years younger than me. Oh wow eleven and five eighths. If I'm being completely honest that's sexy it really is. It's working out yeah So what kinds of things? Like in a non quarantine world like. What are your favorite dream things to do? Just any even just simple things you know or or travelling or all ever want is to have finished enough of my work that I don't feel guilty and then be able to hang out with like one of two or three friends who are women alone and I need the amount of time with them to be really long like five hours maybe and And so and then we need to like talk about everything and eat ally and have it the kind of high low like superficial topics and the heart of everything and like usually there's crying revelation and like that that to me is sort of the gold. And if you're having that and you've been doing your work then it's like all is well well on us. You know great. It is great specificity in it so true like because it's such a weird thing you can't as an adult you can't really ask for it like WanNa feel feel comforted. That have got enough of my work done that. I don't feel guilty and then I get to spend about five hours. We're very good friends. 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That's article dot com slash in bed to get fifty bucks off your first purchase of one hundred dollars or more now. I just want to know what you like because I wanna do all the things that you do but Oh I was so excited that you know you were doing the podcast and I was so excited when we mad and you know I just really Anyway okay enough but yeah it's really really WanNa Really WanNa go to your girl parties. Oh yeah because I feel like you were going to be able to come to the one that was supposed to be raised. It was yeah and then we had to cancel it because right us the virus. But I think you'd really like it because it's Especially hearing your definition of your favorite ideal thing to do. I mean you'd be in your element at girls night because it's the thing that's so interesting to me and I you'll you'll probably get. This is just that we're not doing. We're not sitting in a circle and you know talking about being raped. We're we're it's just a party except it's all women and yet by the end of the night. Every single person is kind of an orbit of x to see really Al Chemical. It's been sort of the most like I'm very happy about it because I wanted to do it for fifteen years and I finally started doing it just this last year. Hoops great. I really I get it. It's sounds like the greatest thing to me. Yeah she the greatest time on those nights. He's out of town. When I ask Nikki I have no complaints. I've I've thrilled and and frankly it's it sounds really powerful and gorgeous and I'm really glad that they happen me too heavily. Even if I was home I will go hide in my cave. So can I ask you some of your favorites in other categories as I know I made it to that. If they don't have to be all time favorites. We're not nobody's They're not sutton stone but just whatever comes to mind. Is like favorite movies or yeah. I know I'm not great like I'm not a sinophile so I ok well then I have that. I can have my answers that I tried out. But they don't do me. Any favors realized. Okay well let me skip it. What about what about Bucks Yeah I mean. Outside of your childhood favorites should be able government for right here like to be honest. I'm reading right now so I'm somewhat careful about what I read and I'm reading a read a lot of Alice. Munro when I'm writing also actually similarly a Frank O'Connor Irish short stories and like these are sort of like they're not like the hippest people in the world but they're really good storytellers in the and I think it a time when you don't want a ton of style in your mind I mean both have great style but like if I'm reading Sheila Hetty or Lee Davis or even Laurie more similar gaps. Rachel Kasich like you Kinda get. I love all those little son my favorites good I love. I love 'em Sheila had a Rachel Cask yeah me too in late more. I read. Rachel costs and I'm like I am. I am rich Ask like I mean. She has but special tricks. You'll has that to where you're like. Whoa this is easy usurp whatever whoever you were just hanging out with you. Just write that down. You know one of my all time favorite books right up there. With the first bad man is Can't unwound by Lydia. Dave Oh my God. That kind of blew my mind and I didn't read it until about five years ago. Yeah she's so great to similar though. You're like Gosh and it only needs to be like three sentences just you know. It's just very very short things. Yeah and so I think. Yeah the reason right now. I'm in the kind of Frank O'Connor else. Monroe world is just just to have this sort of like base level of an understanding of what story telling is and the kind of surprises and twists of that. It helps me feel like I. I understand the ground. I'm walking on and then from there I can be the have the style or the invention you know like Try Are you. Are you working on a book right now? Yes yeah that's Im- writing shakes the Jacobean heavy quotes because hoping my gosh. I'm so excited early days but I I tried alternate between a movie book because otherwise I would never I would it be too long. The they all take so long that you're like Oh gosh am I even still writer. If I don't write another book now you know so You don't want your car membership car taken away. It's so great that you can do so many things so while I'm trying to figure I'm trying to look on my little cut out. All this praise you you make sure that happening now. I can't because I want people who don't understand. I WANNA convert as many people as possible to my. Are you looking at your phone? I'm looking at my phone at my keeping. Don't fully hold her entrust yeah. I'm texting someone right now. Hold on for a second. I'm looking at my list of books because well anyway now also. I don't know we don't need. I have books that I wanna WanNa send you just in case on the outside chance that you read it well like. I said I'm listening more than a hard copy meeting right now but One of the books that we we listen to on a road trip that was really good was disappearing earth by Julia Phillips Her Yeah Right Yeah and I think that That you might like that one. We all love George Saunders to that's at me I was GonNa say George Ago Who I asked him if for any special secret hellos and he said to just say hi and that you're amazing. Gosh that's nice so it's a the front the friend. Did you read that one by Cigarette Nunez? No Pity I think you'd like that. One intern But I'm GonNa send you a little list of because you probably read a lot of a lot of. I read a lot of women writers not on purpose but just seems like those are the ones. I like the best a lot of the. It seems like they're good at writing. Well there's so many good women writers now my God crazy Okay what else any other favorites in the world of the arts that we should meaning me. Now I've been listening to a lot of Angel Olsen her now great deep dive into that. I love the year. ceremony with Margaret Qualley on instagram. The you have Sharon. Sharon van writes the song for their ceremony. And it's called Holy Shit Great. Yeah Yeah I know she. She was She's great too and I was listening to her. Music can asked her if if we could do the Saharan like two days then I just came over into sat there and watched her and everyone serology turn and look at me and be like this is really cereal. Did you know her Voshel? Not at all I just DMT her great like there's a catch like we need to be done like Wednesday. Yeah you listen to meet you listen to music alive. What other music do you are you into That's now I see why you're working at your phone. I know I have already Alex. We don't panic when somebody asked me for nine right blank. Yeah Yeah Okay. I mean in this current playlist the kinks tyler. The creator sampha perfume genius. Do US Soleil now. A lot of old stuff can on the raincoats. Over underground Sabina name Ski Badeah Scuba Shuba. Her stuff yeah. She's doing a lot of stuff on instagram. A Lot. A lot lot of life and he wants her last name. S. C. I. U. B. I'm always looking for stuff for the band because we do covers so I always like to get new new people going. Yeah Hey neck. Hello listen I'm in a little bit of a hurry on my way to therapy but him. Did you know that you can get Counseling Online No I did not know that I mean I'm not saying that you need it. I'm just saying for no particular reason that you could get counseling online. Well I mean I feel like I don't know in general. Sometimes there is something interfering with my happiness or preventing me from achieving my goals Is this online counseling. The kind of thing that could help with that. It is is absolutely the kind of thing can help with that. It's called better help. Better help and you can go to them and you can find a professional counselor and it. Is it a licensed professional counselor? Yes it is yes it. Has They specialize in depression anxiety relationships? I mean not that your relationship is anything less than one hundred percent perfect trauma anger family conflicts shut up. Lgbt matters grief self esteem in your self esteem is pretty low. I think we can say well. I mean you know self loathing I think is something that occurs to everybody but I mean these are all these are all pretty great things and feel like you know. We know a lot of people besides ourselves. That sort of fall into these categories could use a little help one way or another even though it's online it's safe and it's private and everything that you talk about is completely confidential. Cool thing is online. You can probably set up appointments to do it at your own time. I don't know if they're going to do it at like two in the morning but you could do it premature own time in your own time. so yeah you just do it over the phone. You can do a video chat. You can text. I mean there's all kinds of ways that you can go it so and if you're not you find a counselor and you're not happy with them. You can request a new counselor time you want to. Yeah so look I did look into this a little bit because I'm a little worried about you only because you have to deal with me. Let's face it. You can get ten percent off of your first month with the Discount Code Bed B. E. D. Wow so why not I mean. It is half your podcast. So that sounds pretty affordable. I mean in general probably rather than hauling myself into some fancy therapy office. I guess I'm GonNa go there. Fill out a questionnaire and see if they can help assess my needs and get matched with a counselor that I might love. Well you gotta go to better help dot com slash bed and you know. That's I really need to do. And I'm sorry that I've been such a handful and that you need to go there. But I'm glad that there's a resource for you. We're all in this together all right. What haven't we talked about? I would ask you just outside the image half of you. Is this like consummate? You know a visionary and so I'm curious if you have anything in your daily life that that is your your obsession or your jam that's not associated with the arts like a fascination more on the mall I mean not surprisingly close right. I love clothes and I was thinking that as like just a pure pleasure thing Years Vintage Parts. Yeah I love to. Yeah yeah so I can definitely like fall down uh like an Ebay at wormhole looking her certain often. I'd just like I'll start out with like why sell vintage women suit small. You know and then I'll just kind of like something that you really just not gonNA find although I have Ending go from there. I mean the truth is i. I have a like I always want to watch. The the trashy is the like. I don't know how to yeah like I so I don't like what so in this book. the monograph by friends kind of had free rein with what they wanted to say but then of course. I got to decide whether I wanted to go to print. I let there's one that I down to the last minute of it being printed I like went back and forth on this friend. Who's like we're not even really friends anymore? So I think she was a little bit just wanting to like tell the world who I really am and she writes which he enjoys is the most basic thing like. When we were younger she liked to come to my apartment and watch a reality show and read the shittiest magazines like us in people refer say what she wanted was for us to see. He's just not that into you. She loves the mundane sort of shallow nonsense thing. That so removed injure at sow. I guess. That's yeah well when I said earlier we. We just watched season to temptation island That's true and I must. I'm afraid I must insist that you watch temptation island. I know I'm not good with the long like I'm better at a movie on knowing. Did you see that documentary? This last year called hunting land. Oh No that was Gosh I think you really love that was nominated for an Academy Award to category so it was nominated for international film. An for documentary rate. Noticed that you know is Neil so good I think to me. It's it's. It's nothing like anything that I've ever seen before even really imagined particularly and it's so UN forgettable because of that And then the one that won this year is Great American. Factory there right. Yeah I know where we have some problem whereby if it's a screener which is all movies you know we can't rec- somehow become like we just can't open that box with the screeners. Nonni happens there. Will you can get these. Just there's no yeah now they're streaming and now therefore we can watch some of your own volition. That's exactly that's it. We can pay to watch that. We just WANNA pay man. Well it's been so so nice talking to treat. Yeah thank you. Thank you for coming on the show. Yeah this was very social for me. The this is huge. It's good for our souls. Well you've been listening to in bed with Nick and Megan featuring the incredible Miranda July. In bed with Nick and. Meghan is an ear wool production. It's produced by Meghan. Molly Kevin Bartelt and Michael Injury Executive produced by Collin Anderson and krispy music by Nancy and Beth which can be found at. Www dot needs in dot com. If you enjoyed in bed with nicking. Meghan make sure to rate and review the show on Apple podcasts neck. Honey listen you seem fine but I just wanted to tell you that. In case you're suffering from depression or anxiety or trauma or grief grew better help dot com can connect you with professional counselor and it safe and it's private online. Wow that sounds great. Where do I find that I all right? Yeah I mean I'm gonNA check it out. I think it sounds healthy. Okay yeah well you can go to better help dot com slash bed and you get ten percent of your first month with discount codes which is bad be all caps and you just you can fill out a questionnaire and get matched up with a counselor that you're going to really love or career. Thanks honey see you later. Oh Gosh okay you know you can do over the phone. You can do a video chat. You can even taxed phone right. Yeah listening running out to Well it's confidential. Tell me about it but it's other than that. It's confidential okay. I'll record myself doing no but I'm going to check it out. What's it called again? Better help dot com slash bed. Okay see you later.

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Doctors and scientists called BS on the miracle purifier, and that's really where we begin keeping them honest with a clash between the reality of where we are with this virus that's killed more than one hundred and twenty-one thousand Americans, and it's not even July and the alternative reality that the president is inhabiting or wishes. He was inhabiting in the real world. Arizona is right now. Experiencing the kind of steep growth in cases you want saw new. York at the beginning of the outbreak. Look at that chart. And here's the growth in the number of people sick enough to be hospitalized again. On Arizona's hardly alone look at Texas new cases rising. They're just a sharply and again, not just for more testing. So many people are getting sick that in Houston Texas. Children's Hospital tells CNN. It's providing additional ICU and acute care beds now for adults. The Governor Greg Abbott a strong support of the president's telling Texans at the safest place to be right now is at home and on global scale. The European Union is now weighing the possibility of banning travel from the US just think about that. Because the way America has handled. This administration has handled the coronavirus. Pandemic Americans may not be allowed to fly to Europe. By the Europeans. Going by the data, it's hard to hard not to see why I mean. Look at the comparison between the EU and the US depend dynamic began united, states. We're the green. Line United States. Not only has not gotten the virus under control. It's now backsliding toward thirty thousand new cases day. The white line that's their opinion union. In the fantasy world meantime, the president goes straight into the middle of one of the hardest hit states, not to visit patients or doctors or nurses, EMT's instead he first visits the border wall then goes to get a dose of self-gratification. His own favourite medicine, other than hydroxy chloroquine at a mega church were the pastor promise a miracle device will keep folks safe, and in this House of God. He again uses a racist slur to describe the virus. Have so many names I could give you one thousand nine hundred twenty names for the right. It's got all different names Wuhan on. A Wuhan's was catching on. Corona virus right. Kung! Kobe covid nineteen covet. I say what's The nineteen covid nineteen? Some people can explain what the nineteen. Cova nine, thousand nine. I said that's an odd name. Meantime back in the real world Dr Chee and other members of the ones visible coronavirus task force that has now become invisible much. They're like the corona virus there in. Tow lawmakers been weeks since they've spoken to the president. Dr Chee One is last time you spoke to the president. About two and a half weeks ago, Admiral well want is the last time you spoke to the president. was about two and a half weeks ago as well maybe three weeks ago on on on. What is the last time you spoke to the president about the pandemic response and the response? It's been some time since I spoke about the pandemic response. CECE director Robert Redfield who saw they're not saying anything He declined to answer that that question. How when was the last time you saw the president? It really does make you wonder though I mean it was pretty clear. Trump didn't like him. Even when the task force was having daily briefings, he didn't get a lot of chances to talk. Usually just kind of sat on the sidelines, but Redfield won't say. When he last spoke to the president, the others had no problem admitting yeah, two two and a half weeks, which isn't good I mean redfield got it then be much longer than that. Now remember the coronavirus task force which the vice president always used to make sure to point out. Did everything quote unquote the direction of the President? The coronavirus task force, which is now as I said as invisible as the virus itself taskforce still recommends mask-wearing more testing for the disease social, distancing staying away from enclosed spaces and big crowd. You see them testifying. They had the mass on. Sometimes they took him off just to speak. They put them right back on. The president is doing everything he can to subvert all those people. You just saw the nation's top scientists. He shut down the daily briefings after being ridiculed for suggesting experimenting on injecting people disinfectant, so he shuts the brings down. Some miracles won't hear as much about the virus because the president believes if you don't hear about. About it as much, you'll forget about it, and about the federal government's incompetent response, so just forget you'll move on. Seem so old and sure your dad may die. Your grandmother might get sick or she might die. You might get sick. You might die, but so be it. The president is actively working to turn people against all the other recommendations of the Task Force. He wants claim to lead. Wearing masks social distancing not congregating in China Indoor stadiums with thousands of others or megachurches of course behind the scenes president got more tests for the virus than probably anyone else in this country, if not in the world and everyone in the White House, who makes contact with the president is tested, and has their temperature checked publicly. He's pretending this viruses pass privately. He is living in a biological bunker. He visited the underground bunker. He was taken there. One Friday rush thereby by the Secret Service. He denies that, but he lives every day in a biological bunker. People being tested around him. Everyone's wearing masks, having their temperature checked his as sanitized and protected from the viruses. Anyone can be an in the midst of that epicenter of sanitation. He's encouraging everyone else. Don't follow the guidelines publicly. He is flouting all of those guidelines except. The one about handwashing. He's washing his hands of all of it. Worse than that worse, even than modeling, bad behavior, he's been creating a string of distractions that are taking up precious ban with that have nothing to do with slowing down the virus and saving lives, Owen. He's been boasting of course that he ordered a slowdown and testing. People slow the testing down, please. They test. They test test. People don't know what's going on. We got we got another one over here. He said that on Saturday yesterday. His spokesperson said look. He was only joking course. It was a comment that he made and Jessica. It's common that he made an passing for specifically with regard to the media coverage, and pointing out the fact that the media never acknowledges that we have more cases because when you test more people, you find more cases per route to drove rotavirus when on the twenty thousand. And he was not joking about coronavirus. Back in eighty is now learning like all spokespeople for this president. Then when you go out on a limb for JT, he'll cut the limb off behind you. Does it every time shortly after? macanese said that the prison suggests that no, he wasn't joking. Speaking to a local reporter and he made it completely clear to CBS News correspondent today. You ask people to slow down. Just, sitting or plan to slow down. I don't kid. Let me just tell you let me make clear. We have got the greatest testing program anywhere. In the world, we test better than anybody in the world are the best in the world, and we have the most of them. Okay. He says he wasn't joking. Never mind what his spokesperson said wasn't joking when he asked when he said that he asked too slow. The testing of course task force members were asked about this claim today and they said they didn't know anything about it. To my knowledge, none of us ever been told to slow down on testing. That just is a fact. In fact, we will be doing more testing. There's Dr Fudgy said. All of us have been and continue to be committed to increasing readily timely access to testing. We've made a marked improvement. Let me go straight to the question that my colleague asked I'll just ask each of you for yes or no answer as president trump ever directed you to slow down testing for covid nineteen in the United States. Arctic redfield. No. Sir? No Congressman. Redfield seems unfamiliar with a mask there. So, maybe he said, maybe said it to someone else. He does after all tend to repeat themselves somewhat frequently, or maybe he never said it just made it up and now he's sticking by the Lai. Because that he thinks that makes them look tough and they you know. They loved it so likely by tomorrow. He's GonNa contradict himself so you know I. It who really cares who jokes about slowing testing for deadly virus? I mean the president, says some stand up trying to do bits of the laugh shack on a Tuesday night. Night at one am testing out new material. There's nothing funny about it. When the guy who was joking about slowing down, testing is the guy who has the power to slow down testing and the same guy who does not like a lot of testing. Because then you know how far the virus has actually spread, and he believes it makes him look bad doesn't make people test positive, any less sick or some any less dead, but it does make him look bad. He believes and he said so openly time and time again. We have so much testing. I don't think you need that kind of testing that much testing. We've done more testing. Every other country combined so in a way by doing all of this testing. We make ourselves look bad I've always said. Testing is somewhat overrated. Something can happen between test where it's good, and then something happens and all of a sudden. This is why the whole concept of tests are necessarily great. Again, it seems normal. I guess after a while, but. We've got a pandemic global pandemic going on. More than one hundred thousand Americans dead, not even beginning July and This is what we got. So, this is where we begin the program tonight testing in the state of the virus and the president complaining as he does throughout every day about how badly he's being treated after trying to draft off the popularity of Dr Anthony Fauci by hijacking the coronavirus task force briefings, and then destroying them now the president is trying to bask in the glimmering glow of the scientists he. He no longer wants to hear from quoting now from the presidential tweet today. Dr Anthony Fauci, who's with us in all ways very high seventy two percent approval rating. How does he know this? Why does he pay attention to this? We know why because this is only cares about the numbers. His numbers how he's doing. Who else is popular got get rid of that person. The tweet continues so if he doctor FAUCI is in charge along with the VP etc, and with us doing all these really good things. What isn't the lame stream media? Treat us as they should answer because they are fake news. So much to tweet so little time joining us now is Dr. Richard Besser former acting director of the CDC and curling President CEO the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation also with CNN's chief medical correspondent. Dr Sanjay Gupta Gupta Better we heard from Dr Fauci. Other public health officials today warning that the cases are growing up. We all need to wear masks. Avoid. Big Gatherings increased testing. I mean as somebody who has been who has run the CDC and knows how difficult it is to run a public health campaign and get a population to abide by. Guidelines which are restrictive and difficult and wearing a mask is unpleasant. GotTa be. I mean. How could you ever imagine a situation where there would be a pandemic and the leader of the country would be subverting the very guidelines. The top scientists are pleading with people to do. You know you know Anderson this. This is a really really troubling situation When I think back to where we were several months ago, there was some unity of messaging about how serious the pandemic was that we needed to take action, but right now we're in a situation where we have such incredible mixed messaging. We have every public health leader in the nation. The majority of political leaders in the nation. Saying that this is a serious situation, we need to take action, but at the top an and other quarters in some states hearing people say, go back to work. Go back to your social life. Don't worry about this. The viruses under control and without that unity of purpose without. Aligning behind doing the right thing we are in real danger of slipping back in many places to a worse situation than we were in several months ago. Sandra when you look at images, you know inside the church tonight again hardly any mass, no social distancing. It's indoors. There could have been outdoor church service. You know could have probably figured out how to do that. What are you? What do you do I mean as somebody who cares about public health. People, ask the question. How do you do this safely? And the answer? Is You really can't I mean in in the middle of a pandemic where you where we know that we account for twenty five percent of the world's infections at a time when the European Union Union is thinking about possibly banning travel of passengers from the United States to that country that situation you're looking at is sort of the worst case scenario. It's indoors. You mentioned. People can't physically distance. They're not wearing masks. We know that the the rates of infections are increasing significantly in Arizona. We know also interesting from Tulsa remember. I think there were eight staff members that tested positive before that event in Tulsa. People Advance people a secret service agent, so we don't even know like there's there's definitely a certain percentage of the population that you look at inside that church that have the virus. You can say that almost with confidence with because of what's going on there. People who arrived early in in Arizona may become infected also in that particular rally you. You just couldn't possibly recommend it. I don't think any public health official would say this is a good idea. This is now safe based on what we've done. No masks physical distance things the problem. Is the. Should also Phoenix there's an ordinance that that mash should be worn inside when within sixty to somebody. Clearly, that's not happening here Dr Besser, the. Obviously still. Will tell me, where do you see us? In the course of this pandemic, obviously a lot of hope on on vaccines, but the timing of that you know I mean nobody knows really and history is any guide. It's going to take longer than than it seems like the administration seems to be indicating. Where do you think we are? Well you know. I think we're still early days. When you look at any state that has done some some serology testing to see what's taking place in the population not that high. A percentage of people have been infected, and so it's early and we're in a transition phase, so you have a number of states who've been able to really drive down cases drive. Drive down the curve, so New York, New Jersey Massachusetts and they're switching to slowly opening based on the best public health science with testing tracking isolation in quarantine and it's. It's going to be a test case to see. Can this be done in a safe way so that we don't see large increases have the systems in place so that everyone who needs to? To isolate Ken your. This is taking place at a time. When unemployment benefits supplemental from the Federal Government is going away when when the protections against fiction and mortgage foreclosures, those are going away, and so, what? What does it mean to someone who's going back to work? Told that they've been exposed to someone who has corona virus? It has to decide well our quarantine. Quarantine for fourteen days and not not be able to put food on the table and risk fiction or do I go to work and take my chances that well. Maybe I was exposed, but I'm not going to get sick. We're letting this systems fall apart that we need to have in place to make sure everyone can protect themselves their families and their communities. Dr, Richard Besser Jay thank you so much. Really appreciate it still to come tonight. Breaking News on the investigation to a NASCAR said was a news found in the garage stall. BUBBA wallace the only black driver NASCAR's top Tier F. B. I. Agents, justice. Mormon announced their findings. Talk about that ahead. Also Senator Kamala. Harris joins US talk about whether Congress can reach a deal on police reform and. Talk of her as a potential vice presidential nominee, four Joe Biden Bureau Guy. We expect a lot from our homes. They're more than a place to hang your hat. Your home is where you try your hand at Gardening and new recipes, rest and recharge work and play, and that's why at homeadvisor were committed to keeping your home up and running no matter what from the projects that creep up on you like appliance repairs Gutter cleanings and Fox had fixes to the ones. You look forward to like creating your very own backyard retreat worthy of a summer station. 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Breaking news in federal investigation to a news left in the garage doll of NASCAR, stock car driver Bubba Wallace Wallace is the only black driver in Nascar's top circuit and is responsible for leading the effort, the ban, the confederate flag in Nascar Vince on Sunday member of his team found the object brought it to the attention of NAS car, which alerted authorities Wallace never sought on Monday, Nascar showed it support for Wallace with every driver, marching behind him, and his car is pulled up to the starting line wasn't emotional scene particularly for Wallace, but are now has new information about the investigation randy. What's the latest? Well interesting, the FBI and the US. Attorney's Office released a joint statement today, saying that after conducting numerous interviews and thorough review, they determined that there was no federal crime committed the FBI assigned fifteen agents to this case, which sounded like a lot to me, so I asked my FBI contact why so many and he said that they simply wanted to get to the bottom of this quickly, they knew that it was an important issue and an important case, and in the end they determined that the rope that was found in bubble. Wallace's garage had actually been there long before that garage was actually assigned to Bubba. Wallace here's the joint statement. The investigation also revealed evidence including authentic video. Confirmed by NAS car that the news founded garage number four was in that garage as early as October two thousand nineteen. Now known to have been garage number four in two thousand nineteen. Nobody could have known Mr. Wallace would be assigned to garage number four last week Anderson. And in their statement, there are still calling news. Yeah! I noticed that too so I said why call it a new style of based on what your investigation has determined, and my contact again said that it was his understanding that the rope was fashioned in a a news not, and it was used as a door poll as he put it also Nascar today, Anderson Releasing a statement saying that the FBI concluded based on photographic evidence that the garage door pull rope is what they called. It fashioned like news had been there since last fall, and this was really interesting based on a question about exactly that at a press conference yesterday with the President of Nascar listen to this. Can you confirm listening in? From from the rope that you normally would close down from the garage door. I am not sure Bob I. I have no information on that. Well he didn't know yesterday. But apparently that is exactly what it seems to be in a teleconference late today, Anderson. NASCAR's president said that this was the best result they could ask for. He said that they were thrilled that Bubba. Wallace was not the target of a hate crime, and not the target of a noose in that garage, and then apparently there since last fall. Did anyone else recall seeing seeing it? Yes, wood brothers racing released a statement on twitter today, saying that, of course they were very thankful that this wasn't what it seemed to be initially, so they were very pleased about that, but they also said some new information they said that one of their employees without ever knowing any information about this investigation or the details of this case or the incident told them yesterday that He. He recalled seeing what he refers to. As a tied handle in the garage pulled down rope from last fall, so he said it was their last fall. Apparently Wood brothers racing, then took this information to Nascar and they say that they've been cooperating with this investigation ever since so lots of folks here, Anderson, tonight pointing that rope being in that garage back in October last year. Indicate Randy. Thanks very much. Joining us now is coats. Former federal prosecutors CNN legal analyst Because of this moment we're in in this country. It's obviously you know this has become a. Major story right away. Certainly Ford for NASCAR for Bubble Wallace. This is the best possible outcome. Well, it is. We're in a time where sensitivities are obviously heightened. We know the climate that we're now in, and we also have the backdrop of Nascar being requested by bubba Wallace the only African, American racer, all these different races to actually request for confederate flags to be taken down, and there's been backlash about that so even in this climate I look at this and I. I have more questions about the placement of this rope. How is it that people were able to come to a conclusion that led them to investigate it as a noose and possible hate crimes, and then it could be dispelled so quickly I do wonder about the facts and circumstances. Circumstances but I also know that hate crimes the way they're investigated by the FBI and the Department of Justice is actually they trust their own credibility here by saying look, we're calling balls and strikes. We are looking at things investigating as their an animus attached to it were thorough in our investigation, and so I hope that anytime. Someone wants to look at this case and say this is pure coincidence or hate crimes in general are anomalies, and somehow are one offs that all of the reported increase in hate crimes up till now can't be disregarded because we know the FBI will call the balls and call the strikes when they see animus or not. Certainly if they assigned fifteen agents to it it certainly would be an indication the seriousness with which they took that. Well they would, and why is that because we know that? Although bobble Wallace, and the in used here is important Anderson. Although he was not the target of a hate crime, there is no nothing to suggest that they don't recognize of course nooses as emblematic of an ethnic form of intimidation, and they hate crime. Legislation also looks at the circumstances as well the things that are meant to target someone with specificity and those at target, a general population, hoping to intimidate so. So the idea of taking it very seriously is of course what you should do. We were talking about the history of new season. America and lynching. In the way it's us, tickling connection with African Americans and of course not just african-americans is country we know with the began with Mississippi. Burning and discussions about what happened for freedom riders including jewish-american down South and we know that it includes anyone who, as a goal of justice who was targeted by mobs as well. In this all comes at a time. Obviously in the wake of NASCAR. Banning the confederate flags with bubba Wallace was obviously very involved in. There's reports he's. He's received threats towards demonstrations, people showing the confederate flag out outside Nascar the other day there was this moment of unity yesterday when drivers rallied around Bubba. Wallace, and regardless of the outcome and investigation you know. What it is! Actually a example where we are seeing real changes taking place in sport absolutely. Absolutely I think you can't disregard simply because you have this outcome where he was not the target of a hate crime. That's a good thing for him not to be. But there was backlash, and there was still the request that he even had to make in twenty twenty. At what twenty six years old I believe he is having to make the request of the confederate flag, not be pervasive and prevalent at this nascar racing tracks around the around the country, and so that admitted self shows that there is some support around the notion of look. That may have been traditionally dismissed by people as not problematic are having a fresh look at what things are right now and I think we can't disregard the reasons why people rallied around bubba Wallace and why frankly, Anderson it's odd that there was something that was fashioned like a new set, Hong for so long and nobody even questioned it until now. Or coats appreciate it. Thanks very much coming up next morning. Presidential candidate and potential running-mate Kulla Harris joins US next. During last night broadcast, police and protesters have clashed outside the White House in Lafayette Park over the Statue of Andrew Jackson for nearly both now people all across the country been taken to the streets, protesting police violence and taking part in what has been a nationwide reexamination of race and justice and equal justice under the law meantime lawmakers grappling with police reform legislation period reached a stalemate in the Senate with Democrats poised to block Republican measure and Republicans saying the move could kill any reform bill this year. Join us now to talk about it. California Democratic Senator for presidential candidate and potential Biden running-mate Kamala. Harris. Thanks so much for being with US senator. You call the Senate. The Senate Republican Police Reform Bill Week Minority Leader Schumer called it a nonstarter. Is there any way for a middle ground here because? You now have a Republican saying. If. This doesn't pass. There may be nothing this year. Certainly. There's a way for something to be done. If everyone approaches it with an earnest desire to actually meet this moment and implement the reforms that we know, we actually have available to us part of the frustration that we've had. Is that that the Senate Majority Leader Mitch? McConnell is putting this. This Republican bill for vote tomorrow. Without any meaningful process I served on the judiciary. Committee so does Corey Booker. And, we are the two Senate authors. We've not had any hearings in the Senate Judiciary Committee, and over a week after we proposed justice and policing bill, it took them over a week to come up with a bill that talks about basically process, and and and having reviews and studying issues, ours is a bill that talks about the need for accountability and immediate accountability, so we talk about things like the need for pattern and practice investigations when a department an entire department is accused of having a culture that may lead to discrimination we are. The need for independent investigations that prosecutors should not be investigating misconduct of police officers from a department. They work with everyday. We are talking about the need for a new national standard for USA force so that instead of asking when there's excessive force. Was that force reasonable? We should be asking. Was it necessary these the concrete things that we are proposing in our bill what they have offered really, there's nothing salvageable about it and and I intend to vote against the motion to precede and follow the recommendation of a vast number of civil rights groups that are urging us to vote against motion to proceed one of the things you hear a lot from black like matters, protesters is defined police. It means I think different things to different people but I'm wondering what you believe in that a believe about that about the idea of defunding police. Well, here's what I believe that we need to reimagined public safety Anderson and understand that healthy communities are safe communities. So what does that mean you know look when you go to to upper middle class suburbs in America? You don't see that kind of police presence that you see in other neighborhoods, but what you do, see our well-funded schools. What you do, see our families that have jobs that allow them to have an income that they don't have to worry about feeding their kids by the end of the month. What you do see our families that have access to public health. Mental Health without worrying about the cost of what you do. See Art, our communities that have small businesses that have access to capital. These are the things that make for a healthy community. If we want safe communities, we have to invest in the health and well being of those communities, and then they will be safe, but instead in many cities in our country, one third of the entire city budget is spent on policing. That's actually just not a good return on investment for tax payers, and of course we don't want to get rid of police is certainly not saying we should get rid of police, but we do have to invest in the health and well being of our communities the. Obviously, you are being considered as a potential vice president. pick for for Vice President Biden during the primaries. Some people attacked you for your time as a prosecutor, professor and former director, the Loyola Law School Project for for for the the innocent There was the thing comal communism a cop. in this law law school project for the innocent former director wrote in Los Angeles Times saying Comma Harris was not a progressive prosecutor, said time after time when PROC- progressives urge her to embrace criminal justice reforms as a district attorney, and then the state's Attorney General Miss Harris oppose them or state silent, obviously for black lives matter protesters, many people in the streets. This is a huge issue and I'm wondering how do you? What do you say to protesters? Who might not view you as an agent of change in a system that used to work? Well first of all as it relates to the person that you have referred to in terms of those close lists is simply wrong. It's just absolutely wrong when I was attorney. General of California I instituted one of the first requirements that law enforcement officers receive training on racial implied bias and procedural justice I was I think the first State Agency that required that law enforcement agents in that state agency where body cameras and keep them on full time I'm the first that created a whole division and approach that actually became a national model for what we need to do for reentry initiatives for the formerly incarcerated and getting them jobs and getting them support. So it's just simply incorrect, and what we need right now is leaders who are prepared to deal with the fact that these are long standing grievances that are rooted in in fact, which is that there have been hit generations of people who have been abused who have been the subject of racial profiling been murdered, and that we need to reform policing to avoid those by making sure there's consequence and accountability when police officers engaged in. In misconduct, and so I'm very proud of the work that we've been doing in the Senate I urge everyone to support the bill that Cory Booker and I have proposed on the Senate side together with our congressional colleagues on Congressional Caucus, colleagues and other members of the House and members of the Senate. This is the time for reform. It's time for leaders to step up and be in a position where they can actually lead. Senator Kamala Harris appreciate your time, thank. You, Protesters demanding the removal confederate statues. We'll talk about it with CNN. Contributor Mitchell Andrew former mayor of New Orleans removed for confederate statues while the mayor. Earlier tonight president trump told a crowd in Arizona that he would defend statue of Americans Washington Jefferson for being torn down left, mentioned by the president was the fact that many of the statues protesters are wanting to t- to remove our confederate leaders like Robert E, Lee, and Jefferson Davis join me now to discuss, it is Mich. Landrieu, not only contributor, but mayor of New Orleans three years ago, led the effort to remove statues of Lee Davis to more in his city, also joining US Jillian Hater, author, historian and Associate Professor of Leadership Studies at the University of Richmond in Virginia Mayor Landrieu. Front and Center on this you and I actually view and profess rate or both in a piece. I did for sixty minutes on this subject. Talk about your thought process on on the removal and how you see it now. Well a couple of things again we will focus on the confederate monuments there over seventeen, hundred of them that dot the landscape in mostly the south they will put up between eighteen, ninety, one, thousand, nine, hundred twenty, and then jumped forward a couple of years I took a break, and then they put a bunch of a month in the one, thousand, nine, hundred fifty these statues. Statues will put up to revere people who fought against the United States of America in the civil war for the purpose of preserving slavery and opposition was that was inappropriate. They will put up to send a message. They will put up and places of reverence, and although they should be remembered opposition as they should be revered now as soon as we started doing that. Said, Oh contextualized and don't take down. Put a little plaque up all, and by the way we can't start, because we don't know where we're going to stop, and it's always that argument that they use that, you know it's GonNa come to take down Lincoln and Jefferson and not stay focused on the central issue of white supremacy, as it relates to the confederate monuments, and that's of course what we're going through as we speak. and Professor Peter a contextualising is one thing that that has been discussed a lot. But I think what a lot of people don't realize, and we're seeing that the Roosevelt statue, which is outside the Museum of Natural History in New, York, there's now talk for moving that given its depiction but I'm just on the on the confederate monuments. Can you talk a little bit about the history of why they were built and win? Because it's not as if it was done in the heat of the civil war, this was done afterward to kind of rewrite history. Write! These monuments. It takes several decades for these monuments to emerge as as a stated that it really is a propaganda campaign designed to rewrite the history of the civil war and slavery, but it's also meant to rationalize the rise of racial apartheid characterize Jim Crow segregation in many ways attempt to clean the south's image up in the court of public opinion by telling a story that purports slavery is, but was a benign institution and African Americans were happy slaves unprepared for freedom, and at the confederacy was a noble cause, and in many instances in most instances, if not all of these statues are reclamation of public space in the name of white supremacy. So. Professor Peter. Where do you think I'm wondering what you make of? It seems like the debate is now moved. There's a lot of people are saying well, you know. Forget about putting in a context. Let's just put them somewhere arts. I think if these statues are warehouse of. It's a wasted opportunity. To actually deal with the narrative of the loss. 'cause I think people are formulating political solutions to the problem of confederate revisionism. The Path forward I think we'll require educational tools. We have reconciliation without recognition. These are the for many people. These statues represent institutional problems and I think tearing them down won't make our tortured racial history. Go Away. We're going to have to deal with not really the story of the loss cause, but what? What was the result of? What these that you sent to entrench in terms of things like Jim. Crow Segregation. What's that they take? It paved the road for how we got to NAP. Marylanders what do you make? Well, A love the professor. I disagree with him just a just a little bit I don't agree that taking them down races history. I think it makes room for our color I. don't either I don't either. Yeah, I absolutely agree with him that the most important thing is what we do going forward if we just take them down. And we don't deal with. What would they represent and the idea them and that we don't have a moment of acknowledgment. We can't move towards reconciliation so I think he's exactly right about that part because it has to be a reckoning in the country, but everybody will notice it as soon as we start getting locked in on the confederate monuments. Everybody wants to take you off the ball and take you to. To Washington Jefferson and to grant, and they don't WanNa stay focused on this very important and singular time in history when people tried to rewrite it, and tell the historical lies, so what I said to the people of New Orleans, and with their blessing in their help, said look. Let's deal with this issue now let's four square look at where it is that we came from where we wanna go and. And let's begin to deal with institutional bias that you now see manifesting itself in police departments. You can see it manifesting itself in the consequences of Covid et Cetera et Cetera the stories go on and on, but you need to get to the root of it, and the professor is exactly right unless you get underneath it then if you just take the monuments down and that's all that we do we. We will have missed a great opportunity for our country I heater I've been looking at videos of I've worked in South Africa. In the days leading up to the the election of of Mandela, the years leading up to it, the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, and which was an extraordinary thing. There's lots of criticism about it as well and some false. That had but it's incredible to see a society which. There's plenty of reasons to have animosity toward. By people who were oppressed for generations, and that society has been able to move forward and kind of reinvent themselves an extraordinary way do. I don't know that that's something like that would work here, but it's an interesting. It's just interesting to look at how South Africa did it. Yeah I, think the South Africans were were willing to put themselves on the Proverbial Sofa. And you know and and a deal with the country's torture racial history. By the way I think Afrikaner memory isn't that dissimilar to the memory of the confederacy it's. It's much grabbed in mythology, as it is an actual history and I think the fact that they were willing to come to the proverbial table. It had a discussion about what transpired during the apartheid regime was a critical step in the reconciliation that characterized that country's ability to move forward after the demise net terrible regime. Jillian, Hater! It's always a pleasure to talk to. Him Were Mich Landrieu as well. Thank you so much. Appreciate it still. Atlanta's remember gathered to remember Ratio Brooks, shot and killed by police. We'll be right back. 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With Christy what he's working on for Cuomo Primetime Chris. are trying to get everybody on the same page coop. Just in terms of you gotta look past DC for leadership in the form of the president, and we have to understand the reality of where we are with the pandemic right now, and that's the important thing, so we're going to bring in the former CDC director We're going to talk about what the Path is forward for us to get to a better place. What the obstacles are! We're going to take on the mayor of Yuma, Arizona. How do you agree that masks work, but you decide to vote against mandating them for your own city. Because it's a question of liberty. Let's test that argument tonight. We need to because that argument is spreading through the fringe right as fast as the virus. Also I've Ken Burns on tonight. He is a C., three sixty worthy guest and he's GonNa. Come on tonight to talk about the statues. What are the symbols mean? What is the right place to draw the line? Is there a too far? Is there a too much emphasis on symbolism? Can that maybe frustrate bigger efforts? True expert on that tonight yeah, his series on civil wars fantastic and all the stuff. He does Chris. Look forward to that scene. Just about four minutes from now coming up next for us. How rich are brooks was remembered in the church where the Reverend Martin Luther King, junior once preached. Linda's after he was shot and killed by Nolanda police officer Ray. Shahr Brooks was laid to rest. The funeral was held at the city's historic ebenezer Baptist church where the Reverend Martin Luther King Junior once preached Dr King's daughter of the Reverend Bernice. King said she knew the pain of growing up without a father. Richard Brooks's life matters. She said and he should've been able to live to enjoy his family and watch. His kids grow into adulthood. Reverend King added that it was especially troubling. The Bronx kill was killed in a city. 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Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast 5/19/20--Guest Ryan Hanson

The Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast

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Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast 5/19/20--Guest Ryan Hanson

"Narrow maximum security has been defeated king for a day. This is the Jason Beam racing. Podcast brought to you by twin. Spires your daily home for Horse Racing News interviews wagering discussions and more. Here's your host Jason. Be Good Tuesday morning John. Welcome in being horseracing. Podcast brought to you by twin spires. It's Tuesday may the nineteenth. Today is my uncle. Gary's birthday Gary got he's gotTa be Thinki- Sixty nine this year. Nice yeah sixty nine for uncle. He's my dad's older brother It's probably my closest uncle. I talked to him the most and spent the most time with him over the years. He's always been a very Father figure since my uncle pair misses my dad passed away and lots of love to uncle Gary sending him out there he used to actually own racehorses he. I've I've I've probably have told the some of these stories but my My Uncle Gerry. He's a he's a successful guy and I had hit a pick four or pick up the late pick forward emerald eye hog the pool in late. Oh five and so a couple of extra grand laying around and so we went to the Washington sale and I told my uncle. Hey why don't we? Why don't we buy a horse? Because he had owned a couple of horses at lawmakers you know on his own and I think in partnership with some people bills hope and Jet Flyer amongst a few others and so when when we decided to go partners on a horse you know he he he was GonNa do sixty percent I was GonNa do twenty and then my Friend and trainer Ben. Route was going to do twenty. My uncle would not buy a horse unless the trainer was a part owner. He said he wanted to have skin in the game. Meaning I think he didn't want him you know he didn't want the horse sitting on the sidelines. You know eating up training bills not not making any money but So we get to the sale and actually the guy who gentleman who did the sales at Emerald for years was Chris Caldwell who did the sales at Keeneland who just passed away a couple of days ago in an extraordinary auctioneers. I mean just fantastic in in every sense of the way and so. I'm sitting at this auction. My uncle didn't go. We're at the Washington sale. And I told Ben I said you know when you bid on these horses you gotTa do a subtle little moves. So everybody doesn't know you're you're doing and he's like yeah. Okay so my my bidding move was. I would both hands poll on my ear lobes down. That was how I let the the spotter know that I'm in on this one and I know nothing about breeding. I've said that on the show hundred times and so they're all of a sudden horse comes up and Ben's Dad Jack Route who we've had on the show way back when actually bred the horse so I should've known I was in. I was getting scammed. Here they wanted. They wanted to get their own horseback but have us buy it so he says Ben Goes. Yeah you pretty Nice. Bread that identifies all right here. We go so the the spotted looks at me. I think it was four thousand was the bid and I grabbed my years. Give a little tug and the spotter cracks like he breaks character a little bit and laughs and says four so somebody else goes to five and then he looks back at me and I looked looked. The spotter dead knee is with a stone. Cold stare tug on my ear lobes again and he says six thousand and so six thousand holds we get the horse. My uncle. He says I go. What do you want to name him? You're the majority owner. You know you get to make a lot of these decisions. And he goes name. Ed Ed he goes. Yeah like Mr Ed. My uncle thought that would be so funny to have a horse named Ed so we submitted the name. Ed told us now so I told my. Hey they're not gonna let us use and he he goes. We'LL START ADDING DIS. So we submit as ED with two DS they say. Now we submit Ed with threes. They say no. And finally we settle on Eduardo. And there's actually a site on the Jacqueline website. You can look at the naming application history of every horse. You will see Ed Ed Ed and finally Ed Wierdo as this horse's name and so but we call him ed and he was very sweet horse and he was working great and you know he threw up like a forty six and change for furlongs day. Debbie who and who was the jockey she goes. I just couldn't get him to slow down. She goes this son of a gun can run Ben. Route calls me and he says I don't want to get your hopes up but we might have got Stein for charity horse here. Which is the big fraternity here in Seattle at Emerald downs? And I said Yeah. All Jay's can pick them out of the sale. Don't you worry any so finally gets time for ED to run and this is spring of. Oh six so I'm oh I had in. The process had moved over to river. Downs was calling races. There was a Friday night. I think it was the second race of the night Ed gets. It's a thirty thousand maiden claimer which the next level up for at Emerald it goes. Thirty is the top before maiden special weight and honestly if anybody wanted to give a thirty thousand for him bring it on because that was going to be six thousand for Oj's and And I was not into him for six thousand no way so. I have been thrilled if they'd claimed him but he's getting hammered. The windows my uncle goes. He's in the paddock. He's feeling good. Were you know we go off? I think is the favourite if not one of and this horse. I still remember this other horses name. One zero nine and one was the horse's name which was a great name. I think he was a grey horse. He gets on the lead and we're stock in like a half length back and Debbie's just got a handful of rain and I'm thinking and on the turn he starts inching closer to one. Oh nine one. I said he's GonNa win by twenty and of course. I'm you know I got a couple of Honda. Right on his beak. They turned for home. He looks poised and ready to go and he just spits the bit and just completely stops and runs fifth or sixth or something so we put them in for made in twenty. Does the exact same thing. The excuse in the opener was that he flipped his Palette. When you know whatever whatever that means I'm sure somebody'll email me tell me. So second. Start he does the same thing so third start. Drop Him All the way to seventy five hundred. Because I'm the racing manager in this equation. My uncle's more of a big picture guy and so he goes off as a huge favourite. He runs off the board again but somebody claimed him for the seventy five hundred and my uncle was pissed. I lost we lost ED and as it turned out ed couldn't run jump. He actually ended up breaking his maiden eventually. And I think-i won three races in his life kind of dwelt at the bottom of down at Turf Paradise and elsewhere but know we ended up. I think we lost about ten grand the whole operation so alkyl law six thousand and the few like a year or two later. Ed was running at Portland Meadows. On a day we we were renting. I was calling. My uncle happened to call me that day. He was in Portland for business. And I said Gerry said Ed is running in like an hour and so he comes out to. The track comes up to the booth watches the race. Ed runs like crap as I'm finishing the call. I look over my uncles. Got His fingers pinched his nose. Telling how bad stinks. And so I turned off the mic and I started laughing and he goes and my uncle pins the ticket on my door. He says well now that horses only in for me for six thousand in two dollars dollar win ticket on it. So that was a long eight minute intro to wish my uncle very happy birthday very excited for our guest today. I mentioned we would have a young coming southern California trainer. We have just that as Ryan Hansen is. GonNa join us. Ryan had a really impressive maiden special weight winner on Friday cannot who I was pretty modest. Purchase that they debuted back in two thousand eighteen and then went to the sidelines. So we'll talk about that horse. We'll talk about his coming up in in racing as an Idaho guy made his way from the fares and from Labor Wa and stuff down to Santa Anita. So we'll talk with Ryan Hansen later. I got to give up co producing credit to Michelle you for for facilitating the interview. Ryan's Mary Michelle and So so thanks to her and to him we'll hear from him in just a little bit On today's show so as we continue to come out of say come out but you know as the more and more things in racing at least or moving forward in in regards to opening in the pandemic and everything it just seems like every day we got news. It was announced. The Queen's plate was rescheduled for September twelfth. So as recording the news was the governor okayed racing to happen Saratoga. I the thing I saw didn't say with or without fans I have to assume it's without fans at this point for any big sporting events and not saying that to be a downer. I just think that that's kind of going to be the case for a while. But you know I part of me is like well you know. Just stay Belmont that way. Everybody has to ship up there. And it's the purposes. Saratoga certainly is the great racing and stuff but from a community standpoint. It's because you know it's such an economic boom to that region And without the crowds is it the same economic boom. I mean I guess it's still. You're bringing up employees in jockeys and trainers and grooms and everything and they're going to obviously serve as some of the local restaurants and rent places. And what have you so maybe it is still worth it. Even if there's not able to be a crowd but I'm sure more news about that will come out in the In the coming days but where as we know the bell not supposed to get back going. The first week of June Barkley Tags said that he was gonNA have Tis the law ready for for the Belmont stakes and he kinda hinted that it might be sometime earlier. I I have to think that that's what's going to happen is the Belmont is going to be the first jewel the Derby is going to be the second preakness is going to be the third in a weird way. Almost I almost feel like all three of these races. Will you know they're kind of just going to get to stand on their own a little more this year as opposed to necessarily a a triple crown you know because the Derby always feels like it? Derby's different because it's you know it's Americana and it's just such a monstrous event but because it's the first one to it always has its own feel and then the preakness is just so ingrained. Being the second jewel and the whole story of the races will the Derby winner repeat and go onto Belmont and Belmont obviously a prestigious amazing and everything. But it's a way different race when there's a triple crown on the line versus when there's not and so it's going to feel a little different with. Belmont is not a you know when it's the first thing you know in line and so it's It's GonNa be real weird interesting to see how this all plays out Some other news for Monday a forty niner passed away just at the age of thirty five. Just had his thirty fifth birthday a week ago but over in Japan he was pensioned already Second the Kentucky Derby behind winning colors all the way back in nineteen eighty eight and was seventh in the preakness. And you know we went onto win the Haskell in the travers and obviously be very influential as a sire and I mean man thirty five for a horses a nice long full life so Sad about the passing but obviously left an indelible mark on the world of thoroughbred horse racing did did forty before we get to Ryan Hansen. I I wanted to talk. I do a zoom chat every night basically I mean I usually take one or two nights off a week and I do zoom chat with with some friends and amongst them professional horse players and Semi I don't WanNa say semi prophetic but serious horse players. Most of them and and sports I mean we have a nice little mix of Of Betting folks and so for me. It's great because I could sit and listen to people who are very smart in this area. Talk about it and and in some cases bring it on the show is fodder for the show and there was an a story that was shared that. I won't share the story but I thought that the the message behind the story would be a very useful conversation point when it comes to our discussions of betting and horse playing. And all that kind of stuff so wanNA share that with you real quick and kind of the summation of the thought. Was You know what are your intentions and opinions in a race? And how are you exercising those opinions and thoughts? What I mean by that is I think in general before we make a wager. We have an opinion on a race. It could be that we love one horse. It could be that we think one horse a favourite. Hopefully or one of is a total toss. It could be that we think this race is wide open. It could be that we think at a long shots going to win this race. All of these are opinions that we have going into a race before we make any decision about how we want to bet the race. Even if we're just watching as a fan and not betting our opinion could be boy. I think so and so just had such a perfect trip last time. I think he's not GonNa win this time. You know I. It can even be not in the betting realm. We all look go into a race with some kind of opinion on the race. Now I think a lot of us get separated from our opinion when we make our beds and what I mean by that. Is You know if my opinion is. I think the one horse is going to win this race. Okay let's say my say I think he's two to one should be a fair price on him. I just think he's GonNa win now. The I'm getting two to one so okay what if now if I go to the window box a trifecta. My opinion is that the ones going to win the race but my betting action is is not that the one is going to win the race. It's that he's going to be in the top three somehow with these other two or three or four horses so my bet is not reflective of my opinion nor is it particularly trying to capitalize on it If my opinion is the ones going to win the race and I think the second third choices are awful. So I'm going to go choices. Four six and eight underneath. Maybe now that Trifecta if I put the one on top with those other three now I'm kind of based on my actual opinion of the race. You know if I think that the nine is a bad favorite but I go all in the pick three. I'm not betting based on my opinion. I'm literally betting in a way against it and so I think it was just a it was a great conversation to listen to and realize you know. What are your opinions on your intentions of a race? And how do we manifest those opinions into to our wagers? Because I think sometimes your wagers if you look at them will be a little bit counter to what your actual opinion is on the race or the sequence you know. Oh this race is is is wide open. Anyone can win this race okay. That could be true. Now how do you? How are you going to bet that you know just by the because obviously sometimes if you think racist wide open it can lead to a lot of spreading big boxes etc etc and to some degree? It's almost not that much of an opinion but I thought it was interesting. Love to hear your feedback as always on this stuff and we will head to a short time out. We come back Ryan. Hansen is GONNA join us. We'll talk some southern cal racing. We'll talk about his bar. 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We have offers promotions for all types of races and all types of tracks visit twin spires dot com slash to find out what offers available to you. All right back here. All the Jason Horse Racing podcast brought to you by twin spires and police to welcome in our next guest who's a trainer based in southern California very pleased to welcome Ryan Hansen to the show Ryan. How are you doing well? How are you Jason? Doing good appreciate you coming on. The Barnes scored a nice win on on reopening day at Santa Anita with canal. He was impressive. Tell me about your thoughts on the win. A really nice race Coming back to the WE. We always said he was going to be a pretty good horse. But he's got a small little issues so the turf still Kinda on him but I wasn't sure he could come off the pace but came off the pace and ran a good race. You've you've had him since he was young and you mentioned the issues because he had kind of two promising runs and then had to go on the shelf for quite a while what happened. He just had a lot of minor little issues. We almost had him back to the racist. Two or three different times and each time we getting back just some small thing pop up But I really appreciate the owners being patient with me and the the vets that work for me done an excellent job and keeping sound and healthy and it's a credit to everyone even my grooms work really hard on this horse. I imagine for the owners like and for you. Obviously it has to be so tough because you know obviously you buy a racehorse to run races and when those little things keep coming up I imagine it does test the patience of everybody. Yeah I everyone and I've been real lucky with With my thoroughbred owners that I have that are they're they're patient and understanding. It's a lot different than the quarter horses so well when when we buy quarter horses are when we used to buy quarter horses. They everything with them as always geared towards two and three year old jared. So you're trying to win early and often and it's been a little learning curve with the thoroughbreds you can be much more patient and the persons are the same whether it's two or four. Yeah I I I've been watching more. Los Alameda says of late with with some of my buddies. We we do zoom chat every night so when low sales on we're on it so it's been interesting to kind of follow and their you know their lifelong quarterhorse skies. And you kind of realized I mean if something goes astray during your two year old year. I'm going to quarterhorse becomes like infinitely less valuable right a much much much less valuable and you know almost to the point of canal would have been a quarter horse he would have had held. Almost zero. Value is only a four year old maiden quarterhorse. People are not letting for four year old maintenance and I know he was a. He was a modest purchase. Price for you guys. Did you think before his debut that he that he had some potential? He didn't obviously wind. Is I start out? But he came out running no We thought he always had a lot of potential. Even even the first couple of works at Santa Anita but after he worked three eighteen him back and then we got him back off of it Sore Shans and then we almost him ready to go at del Mar and then he got some curbs on the Hawk so then we had to turn him out again. It just lots of minor little things but we always thought he had a lot of potential. So he's as you mentioned. He's run on both dirt and turf and obviously he he. He won the weekend on the main track but he got a big figure for that turf effort you think he has a better surface or is he just kind of one of those ones. You know maybe Catholic boy who who can kind of go between each and compete somewhat of a high level I don. I don't know if he's going competed. It up real high level on either one but I think he's GonNa be a good horse on either one I think that he does a little better when I run him on the turf when he comes back out of his races. I think that is all harder on him but I think he might be a little better dirt horse also. I always feel like sometimes I mean it sounds like it would be a blessing to to have a horse. That's good on both surfaces but I wonder if in a in a weird way it's almost a curse because you might take chances on the surface when in reality it might just be better to stay on the one you were ad or just on the other one. Well even like him right now. I would love to stay on the dirt but it almost made zero sense to running back on the dirt when I can run him in the one other them on the turf and then he gets if he can win the one other than on the turf then he can come back and win the one other Dan on the dirt so in some sense it makes it look like. I can't make up my mind enough what I'd do it but and I'm probably learning a lot of as we go but it's crazy not to go back to the turf and try to one other than on the turf. Just because you get that thing condition on the dirt again at Santa Anita lesson handicapping for and reading conditions and stuff like that. Because I would think that if the horse does come back on the turf Lada handicappers like you said like what is this guy doing. And why is he taking that approach but if you kind of know how the systems working stuff there then then like what you talked about it makes sense? Yeah and we're and we're getting ready to go to del. Mar Del. Mar runs a lot. More of the five furlong turf sprints also right Hansen joining us here on the Program. So before the the pandemic shutdown racing your had gotten on a nice little streak you won four races and a rover a couple of weeks. She had like six out of ten. And of course everybody wanted to keep racing where you kinda like man. We're rolling here now. We gotTa Stop Yes. I felt like we were just starting to do some good at Hanna. Need a when this all went down and You always wonder if you're you can can can get back into the go into the groove of things and a lot of it was right right at the end. We just had horses that conditions really nice and had racist pop up at the right time and a lot of it. Is You know so much about the condition book and the horses you have at the time. That was what I was. GonNa ask because you know. Obviously it's hard to have a streak where you go six for ten and duplicate it because some of them might be maidens who now have to face winners. Some of them lost their allowance condition. Or what have you and I would. I would think that's a big reason especially you know more so at the the claiming allowance levels while why trainers don't kind of stay on hot streaks. I mean do you almost expect for things to cool down after a hot streak like that because of the conditions and everything absolutely especially when you have a smaller barn. Also when you're young you might just like you say run ten horses and when you only have fifteen in the barn and you have five babies. You don't have a lot of opportunities after that to run horses and the way that Santa Anita Kinda rolls their condition book. You're lucky if you can run every three to six weeks at Santa Anita the races. Just don't pop up that often. Well I'm friends with Chris. Moore's I can yell at him. If you need me to to get things I worked out a little bit better so right before the pandemic shutdown racing. I know a lot of guys obviously states ended. I saw some people went to low. Sal I know you'd run a little bit low salad back in February. Did you entertain possibly going down there at all or did you really not have any horses? That kind of would fit for those shorter races. I I ran one horse down there. I we gotten away from a lot of the sprinters and we still have the right horses to go to Los Alameda during the time or we would have been happy to go just the we didn't even like. I have a couple of maidens broker bay just before the time I would have been happy to take them over and run them in allowance onto because they saved their conditions. But it just we didn't just like I said a lot of the Times having the right horses for the right conditions at the time and at that time we don't we didn't have horses. Defend THAT LOSS OUT. Well because if talking about like if you have a maiden that's going to run for thirty thousand dollar pot and either you don't want to lose the maiden condition to win for ten thousand I mean. Is that what you're getting at. Yeah that's exactly what I'm getting in and I didn't want run the let's say I I've got a twelve five. Onto the course it goes a mile. There's zero reason to take it and run it up me go on a thousand yards. Yeah yeah the the the four point whatever furlongs I saw my thing I think it's four point eight nine furlongs or whatever it was. You mentioned being a smaller barn by by southern California standards. Do you think that the shut down of racing for those couple of months? Do you think it was tougher on the smaller? Barnes or is it maybe tougher on the bigger barns because maybe they have like so much overhead I think it was just tough on everyone and not not everyone trainers owners. Don't they help the race tracks? It was just. I felt like I feel like being a small bomb. We're weeks away from probably being in business anymore. Wow I just think that you know it. It didn't make a lot of sense not only for th- for owners to keep horses in training without A date in mind at some point. It's like how. How can you keep spending money when we don't even know again? Get back racing again. Win The purpose the purpose for them higher us to train for races. And there's no racist they're going to send out to farms right. I mean and that's not really. Yeah that's not doing you any any fiscal good. The horses probably don't need to be in training if racing's five months out or whatever and if if horses gone to farms trainers lose jobs groans those jobs exercise writers lose jobs. Everyone's out of job and I think at that point then they do go the farm. They say send end farm for two months and we'll send him back in well. If everyone's went out of business it costs some it costs so much more to try and get started back up and going it'd be almost impossible to restart again. What was the kind of the atmosphere and the tone of everybody as racing? Got Back on TV to some degree other than the shots of the crowd in the paddock. I mean everything kind of looks the same I mean. I'm sure it was unusual racing there but was the mood in general upbeat or is everybody kind of maybe a little bit on nerves. I think everyone just quietly happy. But they're they're focused on trying to keep everyone safe. There's so many protocols in place that you want to follow those protocols exactly so you can't even relax and be happy that you're racing. You just WanNa make sure everything goes Correctly Ron Hansen. Joining us here on the program. So right I left ask I guess we have on the show for the first time how they got into racing and you. You came from a racing family background right. Yes my Great GRANDPA trained. My Dad was a jockey and then he trained and I followed in his steps footsteps. I rode for him and then I was actually an assistant for him for four or five years before going out on my own. Now you grew up in in Idaho. Right. Yes what was racing. Like in Idaho's you were coming up Idaho used to run Pretty Pretty Serious Fair Circuit Than My dad and I followed long so we ran on a fair short and then we were also run in Boise which was pretty good. Summer racing and Wyoming downs ran a pretty summer. Meet so we we were always on the go from like the middle part of April through September. We were at a different racetrack. Four days a week and then it slowly it kind of slowed down to where it was. You know two or three days a week but it was on the go all we on weekend to different places. I went to To La Park. Which was the the Boise? Track A number of years ago. And if I remember right they actually they closed it and then they reopened it and then they closed it again as do. I have the right time. Yeah because it was an I always thought it. I mean it was. It was definitely more than a fair but it was. It was like a huge commercial kind of meat but I got a kick out of it. It it was pretty spot. It was just kind of a neat track. Yes it was a good track and it was. It was a good meat I would say it was probably step down from like a golden gate. You know the the horses were just under Golden Gate. Horses quarter horses that ran at Lewa. Were probably just just barely under loss Alameda. They didn't run. They ran a mix meat but They had a lotta good fraternities and Derby's and made the quarter horse racing strong. I still remember when I worked at Portland Meadows Bill Hct get used to come over. And he was an Idaho. Guy And man. I mean he's had he had he's got the one down there. That has been amazing. At Lisa's boy. He would always come over with some really really good horses. That were trained in stuff in Idaho. You guys will still go up for. They still have a couple of fairs right and you'll actually go up and some horses up there once in a while right yeah Michelle I actually still own a part of a quarter horse. That runs up there. And my other train Tim and he's getting ready to go again this year. Hopefully he can get qualified to challenge championship again. Yeah the you know the fair. The fair racing. It seems like across the country is is going to be a tough sell this year. Obviously because without the fares. You're going to be very little fair racing so I'm curious to see how some of them will adapt whether it's you know Oregon still has somewhat viable fair circuit and Washington up here. We really don't have too much left. I think we have the weights Berg or whatever. It is but fair racing. I think can be a real interesting proposition for this summer. How did you end up going down to southern California? It seems like a whole different world from from Idaho. Well see so. We were boise the last summer that it was writing and we could see that it was probably not going to go next year just from the management the way things were being run so we we say we me and my dad decided halfway through the me that we were going to try and make the jump to Las Alameda and when we got to Las Alameda us we too. I believe we took like twenty two quarter horses with a few thoroughbred mixed in and within like four months of being there we had two original horses. They claimed almost every horse where he talked. And you know we spent two years trying to get in get going off Alameda before we before we got very successful at all there but after about two years we have picked up pretty good. We had a a fairly good run there. Some our listeners might might not know but Gary Stevens made the The Idaho to to California with with Washington between. But he's a he's a native Idaho Guy Right. Yeah so I wanted to ask you about a couple of horses before we let you go. That are in the barn right now. Winning Element I ran. This past weekend was sixth as the favourite you'd claim that horse couple starts before and got to win first time off the claim. What kind happen Sunday? That didn't go so well for him. I probably just entered into tough. But the the wide open claiming races at Santa Anita really hard to get to go and he fit the condition and off the off of the lay off the corona thing. You just wanted to get them in a race for the owner sake and I mean he was two heads away from running four. He's probably a little bit better than a fourth place. Finish in that race but the winner was very good That day he did. He probably didn't get the TRIPPIE wanted in down behind horses in the Dir- I think he wants to be sitting outside. Stocking but post position didn't allow that so we'll move on to another race. Climbing race wanted to ask a little bit of a technical training question. One of your horses who you had you had one with. The horse came back just like five days later with the other horse and I was curious. Are there certain horses in your barn that you know you can do kind of short turnaround with and maybe get a couple races and a short time and are there? Some that you know will just never do it. They're always going to take a little bit more time between races or does it just depend on what comes up in the book A little bit of both. I mean there's obviously there's obviously horses that you can't run right back. She was affiliated. Was doing pretty good and we really just wanted to take a shot into the cow. Bread THE COW BRAD. Optional race with the big purse and when we entered at the time if it looked like it was going to go with a short field when we entered it. Had I think we made five so we thought why not take a chance with five nine? I think two more ended up coming in. But if if you can you catch a five. Horsfield for fifty thousand dollars person. She can run third of their force. She's still pays their training for the month. Yeah so that. Was the reason why we took that shot that data. I was just curious because it doesn't. It's not a move. We see too often anymore. I remember was you know. We talked about fares earlier on. I remember in Oregon Tillamook. They would run kind of a Wednesday Thursday Saturday and mean. Horses would do the turnaround. Almost all of them would do the three day turnaround. Just because hey you're there you need to get a couple of races but unlike marquess he'll do it sometimes and I was just curious if it's more of the horse or just the situation we'll ride a really appreciate take time for us up and coming trainer on the Southern California circuit. Wish you continued success. Thank you all right. We'll be right back after a short time out Jason. Remorse racing podcast brought to you by twin spires the Jason themed worst bracing podcast brought to you by twin spires. Is Your home for daily thoroughbred horse racing conversation? Join host Jason Bean. Has He discusses racing from around the country interviews jockeys trainers media personality and horse players every Monday through Friday. The show can be found at twin spires DOT COM or on. Itunes squeaker stitcher or wherever? You get your podcast from the Jason Beam Horse. Podcast brought to you by twin spires. Thanks to Ryan Hanson for joining us. Hope you guys enjoyed that conversation. I always love talking southern California racing of any type so appreciate Ryan coming on with us. appreciate you guys. I got a lot of really nice emails from listeners. Sunday and Monday about my birthday. Wish me well and thanks for the show and all that kind of stuff and it really lifted my spirits. I got him it I was. I was the last couple of weeks I had said that when I was in swim like I was just kind of feeling down and I don't know if it was a pre turning forty or what but it was like almost like the minute I woke up Monday and my birthday was here like it. Kinda snapped out of it a little bit and just fell and I was very much lifted by all the kind words I got on social media and also my family calling and everything like that so really appreciate everybody. Taking the time and forty is is underway. We are we are often running. I did a a video from Youtube. If you WANNA check it out at YouTube dot com slash Jason Beam. Beam is to ease and which I guess you'd know if you listen to the show it's right there on the APP that you're listening to but kind of just reflecting on the The I forty and a little bit of what's going forward and all that kind of fun stuff so if you get a chance check that out but otherwise we will be back with you guys tomorrow as I said earlier think I can actually say who are guests on now. I was having fun yesterday. Teasing who are guests where I said we had a young upcoming southern CAL train which we did right. Hanson was on the show today We have a national television broadcaster on the show. Tomorrow Laffit Pincay. The third will be on with us. We'll talk about the Fox broadcast. We'll talk some current racing. Steph will just catch up with. Laffite had him on a few times and always loved chat with him and then on Thursday. I said we'll have a horse player from a show about horse players. If you remember horse players from the esquire network Lee Davis is GONNA join us from over in New York. So we'll talk some. Some New York stops more players stuff. Some racing stuff all sorts of fun stuff with Lee If you ever have questions that you'd like to hear from a particular guest. I usually try to give the guest list on Monday or Tuesday You can always email me. If you just have comments or questions about the show horse playing handicapping any of that you can get hold of me. Jason Charles Beam Djamil Dot Com. We are going to wrap up this edition of the program. 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Cool Cat Shawn

The News Junkie

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Cool Cat Shawn

"Search! News Junkie, four eight, Tuesday, July seven, twenty, twenty a lot to get you today from teachers protest schools reopening to the rise in popularity of camping, and how a liquor store employees scooped ESPN plus your calls dispatches emails Tech San more. Hey there. Sabrina hello. Good Morning. Why is everybody smiling so strangely today? It's like you guys are. Are you ready to be back? Core I'm refreshed cited it was a good break I was it was nice to have a little break, and we got to have an extra day off because of the fourth of July weekend. We'll get into all of that. It just a moment here. Here, but I can tell you I enjoyed it and we're happy to welcome on board for the rest of this week I believe our friends in West Palm Beach on Real Radio and ninety two point one now is the signal down there the love doctors will be back there. Taking off a couple of well-deserved days and we've got some fun for you. You in the meantime plus everything you know about what's going on with covert nineteen and all that we'll be discussed on the show today. You can join us. All you have to do is download the APP search for the News Junkie in the APP store right now and jump on board with the show. You can join us with your comments at any time. Time D- everybody have a good weekend. lovling or something wasn't a ton to do. Besides like you know like fireworks and that kind of stuff, which is fun and we did some fireworks. Did you go out and buy a whole bunch? Yes, I bought some. And then my friend. Alex came over and turns out. We both spent a lot of money on. Fireworks. Show. Did you do that move? If you wait if you wait until right before you're going to light those fireworks off, you can go and get like two one three four, and you get like amazing deals at a bunch of these places where they sell fireworks. If we wait until the last minute I would have been an hammered and using my credit card, so I'm glad I did it early on in the day and we got plenty. To our show Oh. Why really will neighborhood? pissed off. I. Mean I feel like there was comments and looks at the day after, but no one came out to complain. They were just a lot of people just stopped and watched and kept walking. Mean Look there was a lot of fireworks around my neighborhood and I know it had a whole bunch of my neighbors of set about things I know that for a little while the dog. Our Dog lady was freaking out, but she got better about things. As the day went on you home, you energy go somewhere I went during the day to my girlfriend's parents house, 'cause they had the pool situation going on which we took, we took advantage of a couple of times I am. I saw you sent a photo. C. Laid sitting in his laptop. He's like I'm editing. The News Junkie Weekend Edition. You look like he was in a Tiki hut on a beach somewhere. You were just hanging out at the pool, enjoying stuff. There wasn't a lot of places to go. Because all the restaurants and stuff shutdown now at all over the state, affordable of these places have shut down because of the outbreak of covid nineteen, which sucks yeah, but it turns out. Everyone took the opportunity to go to the grocery store at the same exact time. Were just GonNa pop in real quick. A while I haven't. We've been using INSTA- card and shipped and all that stuff, but when we pulled up because there was a fireworks display in the parking, lot of a win win formerly. No longer co even winn-dixie. That's not the official name, but. Every single parking spot was taken. I guess we're GONNA. Pay Twenty extra bucks to get that instagram delivery. We didn't do any fireworks or anything. We sat here. We did what I think a Lotta. Other people didn't watch Hamilton, which was explosively popular over this Fourth of July weekend I don't get me started. We'll get into that in just a second here. Let's talk a moment about the latest numbers in. Then just so we can get that out of the way. They have arrived for the Tuesday update seven, thousand, three, hundred, sixty one new cases. We did it. You can't tell what to make of that right now. Because we just had a big vacation weekend, numbers could be down this all sorts of different wrenches in the machine right now, and it's hard to know what's what but seven thousand, three, hundred sixty one new cases is down from our peak, which was going in at about ten thousand per day you. We have eleven thousand. Thousand One. It was very close, and then you never know what the numbers. There's all kinds of stuff going on only three new desks desks remain an incredibly low in Florida. Because all these people are so young, but big question marks big problems. What are those problems being? What happened over the fourth of July weekend or we crazy, or are we going to be real about this? A lot of people probably had house parties right. A lot of people probably had house parties probably bigger than you're supposed to. Whatever the limit is ten. Ten people what is that? Is that it I? Don't know anymore. Because I assumed for awhile, that curfew was lifted, but then I saw curfew was back in some counties, and then I still don't remember if that also means no gathering bigger than you know so, and so and how this many, but there had been more while the biggest problem is. If you've got people testing positive at a rate of fifteen percent, and then you send those people to house parties with a bunch of older folks who are gathered around then you might. Might end up with an issue. That's much less tenable than our current situation where you got some people go into the hospitals, but you don't have people dying in droves. You just have a lot of cases, so we'll be able to see throughout the next couple of weeks here. What kind of impact the fourth of July break had maybe everything's good man maybe this week, the numbers drop and people start to get excited. Maybe a more people wear masks without throwing an absolute Tantrum in public I've got high hopes here I understand I. Really high-ups that I. Don't know if people can live up to. Maybe any number of things happen here, but we'll be with you to tell you about what's going on out there whether you're here in Orlando down in West Palm or wherever you're listening around the world. One of my favorite videos was in in La. Did you guys see this video the? Band fireworks in La. Right, and then right around the time on the fourth somebody had I. don't know if they were in a drone or if they had A. Chopper or something? They took a video of like the landscape of all of La, and there were fireworks everywhere, absolutely everywhere. Nobody's listening to this ban on fireworks and everybody was doing house party fireworks stage stuff and they've been going off nonstop even last night I, heard a twelve fifteen on the dot, a giant mortar. Set Off Oh. Yeah, which you know, obviously, if you are outside, you'll know exactly where it came from, but are you going to be the person that's like? Excuse me, you know it's choose someone just guns to. Doesn't even to it I was thinking outside, looking around and I'd go all your fireworks. Look the same. Everybody's fireworks looks like they're all doing the same stuff like the same out like such an old man. Where is the breakthrough? Where is the technological breakthrough somebody making new firework? Something that does I'm? Why are you talking about one that blasts up in the creates a screen that puts some graphics going this is twenty twenty. Do, you want something more. A Bomb Fritz wants to see the news junkie right there and that went back there. Okay? Color me impressed if I would do that. What I just sent you, what your technology for you? That is straight up. At an email to. Hear. That is our firework show from hundreds of feet in the air via a drone. WHOA are Zehr's that there's no cursing in this now is completely silent I. Don't think I was outside yet. Oh, that's cool. Oh my God, I wonder how close those got to the actual drum very close very close when the German came down, there was just soot everywhere. Our Sad I'm like. Why did you send me up there? You know what sad you had a fourth of July. Get together with fireworks, and it appears neither ceiling, or I was invited to said get together, which burns a little bit. Ceiling had people over the last week in June. Invite us. Bring back on him or bring it back on you right now and bring it back on me. Excuse. We had a long weekend. We hang out with each other a lot as it is. If you don't have to make an excuse for of just pointing out, it appears you had a great time with fireworks and drones and a total of four people I'll. I'll check my inbox, but I didn't make the cut for for the four people who read that sounds like Fritz was there. I was. I was a neighborhood of you know. This wasn't even a non radio thing. Fritz good friend of yours, but also works at the radio station he's. Earned a radio show and that was going to ask you what you did this weekend. Be Sure to not tell the whole truth because it's going to turn around and bite you in the. One. That's why. And also just to give you a list. It's okay. You don't have to feel bad. Me Feel Bad. Coming out of your mouth is making me feel bad. Don't feel bad. You should feel bad while you have to say. Is I? Hang out with you guys? Enough I wanted to talk a little bit of time alone on the break. I DIDN'T WANNA. See when. There wanted to send out really wanting their. Did what Fritz, though? Yes, yeah Blah. Let's be honest. If I was going to invite one of the three, I'd invite Fritz to. He'd be my designated choices. Fritz now in the neighborhood and. either. nope, no one was invited. It was just supposed to be a lovely evening, Old Lady, and all of a sudden people showing up trespassing on my property. told us on the show on Thursday. You said on having a little get together on Saturday and you said something about inviting us, but we never got the invite. I forgot, so you cannot pretend right now. The you're just sitting there watching TV with your lovely girlfriend, and that just so happen that people showed up and they just so happen, have drones and fireworks. You're right. I don't need. Is it a follow? Me What do you guys? Sent the Damn Joe Dirt screen shot. I took the time to make a funny face while Joe. Dirt no comments whatsoever. Bother don't have to feel bad. I'm glad you had a good time. Did you have fun? It was okay missed you. Now. That's alive. That part's not true. Very true! You had plenty going on there to keep you occupied. Are we on a lot of stuff going on to talk about this weekend I may be in some major trouble. We'll talk about that when we come back the ozone, Watson. Find out at the same time to to see. I'm going to ruin it. We have to have a conversation on. We could've talked about you not inviting you to your party all Lino. No. Idea I don't know. No idea and nobody knows I'm the only one that no I mean I could be in trouble for. That, you did over the weekend. Yeah, it'd be. Maybe it's that we'll see I may be in some significant trouble. We'll get to that along with your dispatches from the news. Junkie Apple Talk about the fourth of July festivities with all the hotdog eating. All of this stuff is on deck and we'll be back in just a moment. The News Junkie on real radio. You're listening to Real Radio One of my one. On your phone with the Free Iheartradio, APP. Alexa Google home xbox. We are an iheartradio station. storytime with three best friends you never knew you had. A News Junkie. Off Big trouble. To get to this and just a moment. But yes, it was a great break. I did watch a lot of television for the break, just because staying home more than than usual and I did watch even though I kind of swore I wasn't going to. I think it's the most disgusting thing ever, but the nation Nathan's hotdog eating challenge, Oh and then they do that like zoom or something. They were all there, but there was no crowd there was were just like a table full of eaters spread out the only spectators were like press in my invited guests, and they were all spread apart, and then the the hotdog eaters themselves were like divided by Plexiglas and they wore masks like. Sitting down at the thing, yeah, there was a bunch of them all spread out of the table that, but all the hot dogs out there and they put on the most disgusting display I've ever seen in my life I. Don I always wonder what people from some impoverished nation would think if they're watching the Nathan's hot dog challenge on the Fourth of July America they've. They've they've walked for three days to get some water out of the local well, they've stumbled upon some random TV somewhere they stare into the screen, and they see joey chestnut, shoving seventy five hotdogs into his mouth, and just like the repulsiveness of watching. This is overwhelming to me, but that's son of a bitch, eight seventy four hotdogs and was once again setting a world record. This Nathan's hot dog championship and the whole thing sounds like a damn. NFL game where they do it, so it tends. Emptiness of failure. And Don John. Barry Still? Forward. Up Beacon OB- certainty. Serious this for the hot dog. Stands as he always. Resolved he got a? Nation On word. Is Forward. Because if I told you this was a line from Hamilton. You might believe this guy is like anything. The last thing any multiple choice I would choose except for choice of hot dog, eating contest of a lot of the announcing at competitive eating contests is. This all the time. I always wonder like how often the these announcers either write new material, or or just jot down notes that sound that would sound really good like I remember watching the Chili eating contests and the announcer, doing this exact saying right. Yeah, that's exact same hair and this Kranish in. He's like the air outside is cold, but the Chili and our hearts are. Console over the top. Jill. MITE off dry. Thunder time. Deep! July champion of the world. which she stand. Stupid. States! This goes on for five more minutes. I'm not even going to slow down your ears. It goes down for five more minutes. That was just the intruder Joey. Chestnut at that stupid ass. Hot Dog after a hotdog call after hotdog congratulations. Sir, you've done it to the grossest part of this. I blame. What's that guy's name Kobe? I think that's what his name was. The Asian do dominated for a while now. Joey Chestnut wins every year, but the the small Asian Guy Kobe Ashi. Who quit because of? The politics of the championship eating. League or whatever we have here in the United States, they call it major league, eating Major League eating yeah! I F O C E. He didn't like. Know the way your rights to be a part of this major league eating a sign away like what you have to show up at promotional events for them, and he was like I'm bringing more to them than they are to me. I don't know I. Like some kind of drama going on there. The what other eating contests are you going to be? I, think I think they run the gamut. It's like I'm not playing for Major. League Baseball I'M GONNA play for another the league. Yeah, and also I did like the amount of attention that they got over the weekend because they had joey chestnut and his Thirteen, fourteen, however many world championships. He's won in major league eating and they're putting it up against other sports sleaze like Michael Phelps. Gold medals no like. The greatest NBA NFL players of all time, and he's one more, and they're calling him the greatest athlete of all time. I'm sure there are a lot of people that were tweeting like I'm sorry. What the the what he's A. What the greatest athlete of all time! Sure they compete does not have to rush to the bathroom to evacuate orifices as quickly as they possibly can feel like they're bowel, movements or different than our a square, a wombat, you just or sloth law. Yeah, you just drop it down to the forest floor. This massive compact square. God. It's someone has to do. So, people were watching. Millions of people watch that I was watching this. Panel ten dropped on Disney. Twice downloads up seventy four percent for Disney was well. They're also advertising the. Every other thing that I watched. That's not Hamilton Disney plus has commercials for Hamilton. Disney, plus ESPN headed up all weekend long to watch now watch now, so I obviously have heard about this incredible play? Could never even dream about going when it did make its way around here when it was. I knew there was rapid involved, but I had no idea how incredible this musical was I was telling you on Thursday or something. We were out back Sabrina. This this play whatever you WANNA call it Broadway. Musical has more words by like three or four times than any other one. Because they talked so fast, they ran the rap so quickly in this musical that they CA- getting a lot more across the dancing. The sets also mind. You have not finished i. just got an hour end because I was getting so overwhelmed by each scene that I like I have to pause here. Twice I see. Also I have never felt such great sadness, not seeing that life. I think would have on on a on a credit card and dealt with the debt later. Overly issue live I saw I've and I loved it, but they recreated it with the way they did those cameras shots. In a pretty amazing. Why do they have the spinach stage when you saw? Yeah, yeah, cool the way they kind of. In their man, it was fantastic and I about. Through and I'm not spoiling. Seen the second half of this two hour and thirty minute. Monstrous Hamilton does does ever. No he doesn't live forever. Fred says that's not how it ends unfortunately, but when I'm watching the second half to this, all of a sudden I hear Courtney. She's crying and I go oh. Okay, actually I didn't do that, but. You cry and. You big baby. She's she's like tears running down her face, ugly crying this thing and I go. Oh, my great, and so I keep watching and then the next thing I'm like Oh there. There's that weird pension the throat. So what's going on with? My is right now route. You did little crying. All my God by the end of the thing. Maybe some balled up sadness or something. Like once here. WHO's like a bear leaving and I'm sorry to talk about crapping so much today, but it was like a bear coming out of hybridization. Dropping that I dump that they, too. I just bear dumped all the. Down I just I was like Oh my God, and of course I got to pretend like I gotta get a new white clawed at the kitchener something. Duck down by the fridge in white ball this. Talk. Just natural okay, so if you cried a little bit. It's going to be care in my house. In the second half of that you know if you have a heartbeat. Ceiling didn't cry scares. I haven't exclusive. I did a lot of drinking on the day that I watched handled. Make it worse, also A. Pass. Any sort of not crying, crying Broadway show experience because you, you did cry for the glorious stuff on one. which I think counts for any of them, because that proves that you have a soul. Cried for glorious. Stefan on your feet. Cried forget on your feet I wasn't it wasn't to get on your feet part that. SAAMI misty. What par wig she? Has a comeback after the big car accident, the come back part is the part that made you cry yes. Their their happiness tears, so you don't cry on the South side. You only cry on the happy side. For, both did actually cry what you were watching Hamilton this weekend I. Don't remember. GNASHING. Were you? You were blacked out before. Every time they say shot. Shot. I didn't throw away any and my. We'll say we'll. We'll put it that I did something and I want to know if the to. You did this as well because for me I, thought it was much better the experience of watching Hamilton. I put the close captioning on. Yes, I always watch it like that. Do you I got the that worked for me? It's so fast and I and I knew what the essence of whatever it was saying, but I wanted to see each word. You Always Watch. What like that television? NETFLIX WATCH DISNEY? Everything with catching yup I like. I like to see how it's written. And also if you turn the volume down and some music, you can still watch it and understand. Yeah, it'd be like Washington multitasker that were watching it that way for me. I was able to pick up so much more of what was being sad and robbed and what was going on I loved it thought it was great done very very well. It is long, but it's worth every second of also watch every single episode of unsolved mysteries back to back. which was great in the way that they shot? It was great the stories and how everybody got away with murder. Every leg story that came through I'm still on the first episode. I. For for for those who don't know, the new unsolved mysteries that's on Netflix is yes. On Netflix, the first episode features a friend of ours Angel and the situation that happened with his brother, which I never had a long discussion with him about his brother I. don't even know much about it. Until I heard he was going to film this for Netflix's crazy story, why story about his brother and how he died, and all the mystery surrounding it and Angel was frigging awesome on that episode great. When you're watching it, you're like this is a guy who knows how to do this. You know because he's been in radio for so long. He knows how to answer the questions and be. Interesting on television. There's just like this level of it. Where like I know that guy? This is a horrific terrible story, but to see him on there and to see him in every thumbnail on the Internet and there. I would say the first episode is probably the most moving and craziest IOS unsolved mystery, and then the last one is. Also, so frustrated, cool crazy! The only thing missing is the voice of Robert Stack because any. As that Robert Stacks voice made unsolved mysteries to me. They do hat tip for. Did you notice that now? What? When you watch the intro at the very end, you see his image kind of fade up and then out as the unsolved mysteries banner heads. Off To check that out and pay attention to the next go round, but that was excellent to so now we've got the the latest covid nineteen numbers. We're talking about seven thousand, three, hundred sixty one new cases in Florida residents We've got a situation here. Where there's a spike in Orange County and Orlando Palm Beach. County, where we're on today for the love doctors who are off for the weekend. We appreciate everybody down there being so sweet to us. That city as well now my hometown for so much in my life is dealing with some issues, and it's like all the places that never really got a big spike to begin with are some rises, but we have something here in Orlando. In particular. That's happening on Saturday. That may be cause for concern. she's. Reopening. On Saturday. And Strikingly and I guess this is probably why. Disney has not changed their opening day. I've seen so far zero stories. Tracing any sorts of infections back to Universal Studios, which has now been open for several weeks, and maybe that takes longer, but that might have made Disney rethink. What's going on here and consider maybe delaying the opening of the park? It's going to be limited. There's all kinds of rules that they have. At Disney now where everybody is able to finally go back for the first time in three months, yeah. Disneyland is closed Yeah Disneyland California's closed. Disneyworld is is close currently, but going to be open. On Saturday less. They changed that on top of NBA coming in as well. Yeah, they're. They're already in the bubble and hanging out in Orlando the NBA players getting ready for their season, so there's a lot happening on tender. Oh Yeah, sure attenders probably exploding with activity. Will really catfish catfish and be. Looking. No No, no, we want to. We want to exclude all Florida teams because we don't screw them up so the magic in the heat. Take them out of the equation. Other teams. The Lakers right Lakers will will catch somebody on the Lakers more teams new. York then York the Knicks. Knicks the Memphis Shows Jersey knickerbockers right the. Atlanta Mino- back go back to Detroit. The Detroit Pistons Yeah. That's all I got all right. I'm at the end of my road here I. Don't know. Jazz. Oh! Some Email here. This was GW. He said Sean listening to the PODCAST and the Cam Newton question on Fritz on the street this week and other sports related knowledge questions. I would recommend you. Start watching some ESPN. Two shows highly questionable at around the horn. Both are currently fifteen minutes each, and you'd get hot topics in sports and other show content without playing or watching a lot of actual sports ultimately will also sustain your lead on Fritz on the street now I like that too I, like that, but that's never going to happen. Just gave us all the tip. Why would you well? We be. Why don't we see seed in? Detail tips at the News Junkie Dot Com I'm pretty sure you have access to that. You guys could have looked at it though it's kind of a minefield of emails on a daily basis, so maybe better just to kind of keep some distance there and spread yourself out. When we come back, we'll bring you in. We'll get your dispatches from the news junkie APP We've got so much to talk about on this show. Show today ESPN speaking of sports got scooped by somebody at a liquor store and they sold Patrick Mahomes deal which my God was that some money that's it's going to be making absolutely crazy now. How did this person at the LIQUOR STORE SCOOP? 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Kids are not really impacted by Kovac Nineteen, and they're not huge vectors for passing around afterwards, so the school's going to be reopening in August and the teachers. At least some of them are protesting this, I wanna see what the mixup is for teachers, so if you have the APP sinister dispatch, if not search for news junkie in the APP store, so we could see what you are thinking about. All this say teachers protest after four to schools or to reopen in August. Education Commissioner Richard Corcoran. Order on Monday teachers say they're concerned about their safety and the safety of their students. They plan to meet Orange County. Public Schools Administration building to protest the state's decision to reopen schools next month art. Let's go over to these. Let's see what you're saying. The day here's Justin with the dispatch news junkies welcome back from your long extended weekend. Oh, come on most GNAWS. Our rule, though share the show Tuesday and I'm off tomorrow. Yes. You'll be safe out there. I will go well. I don't understand what happened there. He threw shade at US take an extra day on the weekend. And they bragged about how he was getting an extra day, and through that in our faces i. don't know what to make of all of this. Let's go over to moment you the real cheer realtor. The realtor on this lovely shared the show Tuesday. Try To say both those at the same time. Guys what an awesome weekend My brother got married as told us going to happen this weekend. They went off without a hitch nine, then fourth of July that was awesome and Hamilton. Who des The active weekend? Back to work now by I, tell you. What does wedding successfully go off without a hitch? Let's see word When when I was watching Hamilton, I was almost irritated this weekend watching Hamilton. Lin Manuel Miranda's. You Watch it I'm so untalented he. Yes, it's dude. You wrote this. You you orchestrated all of this. Inventor doing the role. This good and you can sing and. His pick one thing man now pick one thing and be good thing and leave a little space for the rest of US take him for. Ten years to write the thing all my God, but that that scene where? You've seen this pretty sure. where he meets the girls right. The Sisters Elisa and the sisters is like in the beginning of of and they show him meeting the one sister that he ends up marrying, and then they show that the other sister was actually in love with them, too, and they like rewind. The scene of Almighty God man is watching this and like you guys are too good this. You're too good at another musical. And then I went to see that on Broadway. Just walk out like tear up my musical. Go You. Look at cats. Dressers Eddie. You can't be with those songs back to back. It's like a metal song and then a jazz flute. Tiny, bit distracted and I just maybe need to know why, and then I will no longer be distracted. Everyone had the side Britney Spears, Mike. Lynn Manuel Marandoo had is mike inside his head like inside the house, just like a pretty common. Is it because they're moving around more or something possibly? Voices two Lao. He's one of the most amazing things and we still gotta get into this story. About ESPN getting scooped by the liquor store, and you have been teasing this. I have trouble I bought trump I am a trouble I'm definitely in trouble now. Especially after what I saw moments ago deadly trouble. We're going to talk about that at noon. I promise I won't tease it anymore. But one thing that I saw that was amazing. I think it was on Adam savage from mythbusters. With. This strange strange accusations about his sister there, but who knows what? Adam savage. has this youtube video where he went behind the scenes at? Hamilton and I would recommend it to anybody. The sound engineer is an unheralded superhero. In this world. He sits there. Any has an entire script that tells him what buttons to press. It's like reading music. You know like the Mike Turning on and off he's. Turning off this persons Mike, so we don't hear them, and then they have to chime in on the high notes when they're doing some harmonies or something, so it brings back on you. See Them Planet like an instrument why how COOL UNBELIEVABLE UNBELIEVABLE! I would screw everything I would end up with somebody's Mike, not on and Hamilton. Talking and nobody can hear. People pissed starve. Could you imagine if you forgot to turn on Alexander Hamilton's Mike during that first scene. When he's sick and his name. That's the most important part and you just see him on the stage. My name is. All Right? We got a lot to get to ED. We'll dive in the more in just a moment, so do not miss it. It's the news junkie on real radio. You're just minutes away from a brand in your hand brought to you by mills air on real radio four point one. Filling you in on the shocking details, just try not to pass out. This is the news junkie. More, your dispatches from the news junkie APP in just a moment. Mighty to get Moses to win on the line to. Our attorney to handle some heat I've built up over the the break here tune into the show. Dollars I feel like Moses knows, and and I've got to send him some things to peruse to see what kind of exposure I've got going on here. But Y, you know what this is about now. I just got the light bulb or what? What is it? You say you don't want to know right God It's. As, you posted something that you posted. Yes, as weekends and the editing. Yes, own. There's there's there's a lot going on here so if you've seen tiger king on net flicks. Carol Baskin is the star of the show outside of Joe Exotic at some of the other carrots, lots of stars actually in that series also very good with lawsuits seems to win them. That's those are the the WASPS. I usually start swatting just just for the fun of it. and Moses will have fun with us some sure, too, but the Tiger Kings Carol Baskin. She has been a lightning Rod. All these people out there saying I don't know who these people are, but all of these people that are saying. She killed her husband and put him in a meat grinder. Or possibly tossed him out of an airplane or something part of Rica, all allegedly used Costa Rica. Of those places because he's probably dead, according to a lot of the stories out there about Carol Baskin Tell. Her so I get an email. Amid last week, and I see that this website of this APP that we've talked a lot about over the last couple of years. Cameo that Carol Bask in is going to be on cameo and you could send in your. Videos it. She'll do little videos for your like. Hey, Dave, happy birthday! You're over the hill now and your wife really loves Ya. Alright. Cats and kittens signing off its Carol Baskin, those kind of videos that they make, and it drops, and I go I wanna make one of these videos want Carol Baskin talking about the show or just doing something in general that we could use. And she made about twenty thousand dollars on her first day. I can't even imagine this like when you are a celebrity. Using this cameo out, you just sit on the couch and record a couple of videos real quick and make twenty. Dollars Yeah because you, I don't know. Do you said it yourself or do you think cameo decides how much your cameo is worth? I don't know how that's damaged Sean what. You paid what how much you think. How much do I know you pay how much you think? One hundred ninety nine dollars now. They upped it. Yeah I got I got, it first came out I. Think it was Oh one twenty nine, which was right on the edge of house like this is expensive. WH, what am I doing this and so i? Knew I wanted to get carol basket to say she was guilty. That she did it and I didn't know how I could do it so I wrote a script for her about my son getting married. And I put within the script things that would have her as she read it say I did it I'm definitely guilty genius. Take it afterwards and turn it into well this there here's here's the thing that's at the center of this new issue. Facing cool catch Sean I, did it? I'm completely guilty. Stay cool gets. AKARA baskin right there. That's legitimately her and. You're? Maybe maybe edited probably added, and you can hear her saying some very important things that she not. Just! What was the script? You'll hear the whole thing second. My favorite part was when I was watching I. was like I almost don't want to do this because she seems really nice, he cool catch shine. Did it I'm completely guilty. STAY COOL! Get all right so then. In the middle of the night I get an email from a bunch of attorneys Being for Cameo. And Other people. Are the terms and conditions, do they? I guess that's I. Don't know that's what they're suggesting. Carol Basket and has a lot of attorneys and she's very litigious. Asked I might be the next job exotic. All of a sudden. I'm doing wild videos about carol bathroom being a bitch. And you could do that. just don't try to hire a Hitman. Never do that I said she started sweet, but I think she She might be out to get me here. I think she she might not have liked what happened here with this with this cameo video, and so I got her to do that. And then I saw all of the different emails coming in, and I said this may be an issue. We gotta get bonuses attorney at Law to jump in on this, and then there is another update this morning that I saw because things are happening fast on TMC Carol Baskin cash me on Cameo. Cameo, but missing husband topic is now off limits. She says it says Carol. Baskin is making a fortune recorded personalized messages, but the fact of the matter is. She's also left tons of dough on the table because she's turned down lots of requests from people who wanted to talk about her, missing a presumed dead husband Carol tells tmz. She's gotten over six hundred cambier requests so far, but along the way she's had declined requests for people who are trying to get her to talk about the fate of her husband well, she didn't decline all of them. Will Catch, John? I'm completely guilty. STAY COOL CATS! Thank you I will stay care appreciate you. They said that apparently has not stopped people from not only asking Carol who charges two hundred dollars per request to talk about her missing husband, but also editing cameo videos to make it seem like she's incriminating herself. I'll come on the phone a shot at me. EMC A shot at me right here. They say to be honest. The videos are terribly edited. Said is it? Your video posted there? Yeah, right here. Here's the video in the middle of the TMZ article. Let me see if I can. It's going to do that eventually I. Dunno, the Internet might be a little slow at the moment, but it's. It's my video that they've posted in this update. Man Not Wait I. Don't know if they've already talked about on TMZ live. No, no. Drinks voice over God's gave what what a what? God trying to get this to play for you the whole thing that is the worst voice over like announcer ever teams E. Guy. Be Does Yeah. Could bring this up play over there. I've got the room up in the studio as well. And the video itself is not playing for me, but it says. Up All. Right here we go. Cool catch, The original father tells me that you got married, and you call them up and just said I, did it. And that was one of the proudest moments of his life. As a mother I. Know How that is. We want our kids to be so happy and it sounds like you are. It sounds like your dad really really loves you law he's. Your father said I'm completely guilty of loving you to. Change? She gets catch on to. Catch by. Okay. So. Yeah, there's emails. Go at Aroud. TMZ picking upon that. And Carol Baskin has just an army of attorneys, so I'll probably have some meetings after the show today I'm assuming. Moses if you're listening, what is my exposure currently? How things looking. MILTA-. Answer Yeah you send that Timothy. Yeah of course. What about full I of course you make? On TMC. Doesn't have a natural David Conan back at its right. Yeah, so Sean I think that she is going to sue the crap out of. A chance. Qualms about zooming Peter even TMC. Now part of the legal record here, saying to be honest, the videos are terribly edited. which thanks a lot TMZ I'd like to help you out obviously a pair. Yeah, if I was if I was better at editing than this, I would probably cool. I did it I'm completely guilty. STAY COOL CATS! Oh, what a world did there she is? She did sound sweet, though isn't that the full video? So you're starting to feel bad about the no still thinks you might have murdered her husband put them in meet grind era potentially so we are in this sort of limbo space, Carol Baskin and I right now. And I'll maintain this position until I. Beg for forgiveness in a courtroom someday I'd so that's. That's the current trend that I'm taking at the moment here. Let's go over to this because I talked about this earlier to Patrick Mahomes. How `Bout this dude? He is getting A. Paid paid five hundred and three million dollars. What's that? Had Ten year extension with the chiefs. That's a record. Let's an absolute record. And Man, what is agent? I don't know, but he's good. Negotiate that kind of deal along as it for ten years and why five hundred million dollars. And they said the guarantee even if he's injured man. Wouldn't this be a son of a bitch? If Patrick Mahomes God, forbid I don't want to have no. He went out onto the field first game after this deal throws a ball and injured himself and never gets to play again. They still have to pay him four hundred and fifty million dollars. He sorry one never play football again, and he just gets one hundred million knocked off. Oh No, no I'm sorry A. Record setting one hundred and forty million if he's injured. And tore that plan. Yeah, that's a lot like even if he throws one pass boom, one hundred forty million dollars, he would still get if he never played another game, but he's a healthy guy. He will play a lot of gains, and he is like certainly one of the names. Even I am hearing the most right now in the NFL consider my lack of sports knowledge as I say this, but I think you get the point good for you Patrick Mahomes, five hundred and three million dollars twenty four years old his, he twenty four. My God I'm just Jealous Hell again. He's like the live Lin Manuel Miranda of Or something guys good-looking. He's excellent on the field and clearly worth half a billion dollars to the Kansas. City chiefs good on him. When we come back, we'll get into more your thoughts. Your dispatches from the News Junkie App I think we might here for some teachers talking about going back to school in August, and how they feel about this, because some teachers protesting it and many more of your opinions next stay where you are. It's the news junkie on real radio. For Orlando City Soccer Club is back on the pitch in the MLS back tournaments. The boys in verbal Wolfe's Florida rival Inter Miami cf tomorrow night coverage begins at seven thirty pm on our sister station at ninety six nine the game. On the right side, we're not dead. Yet. You're listening to the news junkie. Just batches. From the news junkie. And just a moment all you cool cats and kittens. Hey, this story that grabbed my attention out of Fort Myers which. I'm to Fort Myers in a long time. I think we're stationed at Fort Myers and we're not. I've forget Sony. Stations picked up the show for for weekend edition. We're place close to it on our like in Cape Cod. Where we cover, most of the state of Florida is my old stomping grounds for at least the first two years. Where you're going there? Yeah, at technically Estero, but men of the bigger most notable cities for Myers and Fort. Myers is the home of the story of Cars Lynn Carson. Carson I think say you say your name Carson Lee, Davis and you might not know her from that name but I. Bet you saw the headline somewhere lets you guys were completely unplugged for the fourth of July break. Ceiling blacked out watching the with the Hamptons show the Hamilton broadcast on apple, plus so perhaps completely ignoring any news stories that were happening out there in the world. You might have ignored Carson Lee Davis, too, and she had already experienced a number of challenges in her seventeen years of life, according to Click Orlando Dot com from age to get this age to. She battled a host of health issues, including cancer and a rare autoimmune disorder, which good God I mean this. This is like a little kid gone through this, but not once did Carson let the serious ailments. Get her down. Her family said the high school student from Fort Myers died last month after contracting the novel coronavirus. Covid nineteen led to her death, and that marked Lee county's youngest virus related fatality. At the time it sent shock waves through the community, according to a report from the Washington Post, and it was that story that came out and whenever I see one of these. Pictures Seventeen, yeah, seventeen, when I see a store that somebody has died of covid nineteen seventeen I almost always know there's something else, and then there's like this person had some serious preexisting conditions. There are some things that went wrong here. They may have had other ailments, and then covid nineteen. Just push them over, but in her case all my God, is it so much worse and not enough? People are talking about this story just yet because the details are still a little bit fuzzy. It's based off of a couple of facebook post by family members that were then I think removed. But here's what they said. A medical examiner's report recently made public has raised questions about Carson's case. The Miami Dade County medical examiner found the immuno-compromised teen went to a large Church party with a hundred other children. So. Remember this. She's got serious immuno-compromised compromise Asians and She's got serious health ailments. That kind of child should be taken care of in a significant way. They should be wearing and ninety five masks is that they are ninety five? Yes, when they go out in public. If they do go out in public at all, they should be as careful as they can be. Because their systems are already fragile in Covid nineteen can take him down like a bowling ball pins, and her mother takes her to this church event with one hundred other children in her mother said, don't wear a mask I. Don't want you wearing a mask. Forbade her from wearing a mask to this event at church where a bunch of other kids ended up getting covid nineteen, spreading around each other. It doesn't matter for them. These kids didn't even know they had covid nineteen. No clue because they're little kids and their immune systems are on point, but the mom brought her there in a mom said, don't wear a mask and brings out into this this group of one hundred different kids. Then this is the real interesting twists that I think leads to something much more criminal after getting sick nearly a week pass before she was taken to the hospital, so she starts getting sick and her mom's like. Yeah, it's bad, but it's not that bad. And then a week goes by. Mom finally takes her to the hospital. During the time she was home. Her parents gave her hydroxy chloroquine and anti malarial drug touted by the president and others that the FDA has issued warnings about saying usage could potentially lead to deadly heart rhythm problems. Now let me establish a couple of things here. First of all one of the saddest things this happen is hydroxy. Chloroquine has become politicized. I've seen a butcher reports the like there's no impact. We don't WanNA use his impatient and then just last week. A report came out in. They're like this was huge. It was very successful for us the. The back and forth is largely politicize. Yes, there's politicization of the science world. Yes, this drug is at the forefront of it because the president has tried to push it so hard, so it looks like there may be some value possibly to hydrochloric win in the battle against Covid nineteen. That doesn't mean you order it and take it at home, and just hope for the best and I don't even know how you're able to how you're able to. She was able to get it at her house which she using the fish cleaner stuff that they're talking about. Having a child that has a compromised immune system. I mean for the moment they're born. They are taught completely different measures in raising their child like she has I'm sure been to the doctor a bunch and How did she nonchalantly just wait a week and then give her kid medicine? You can't even get from the farmers like my child had a troubled health history. Now. What I'm GonNa do is I'm GONNA put them at risk and I'm going to start. Administering drugs is if I'm a professional here. I wanted to know how they got it because I think you have. Have to have a prescription to get that in the first place you should. Let's just say I'm pretty sure when I read through the the paperwork or the website. The place that Sabrina and I went to get our rapid cova tests that if we came back positive, they would give us free prescriptions for hydroxy chloroquine, really one other drug. Yeah, but parents. Parents at home, trying to take their daughter who's very sick and give them medication like they know nothing about this and they seven in the daughter died. She's dead now. It gets more confusing here in a little bit tougher to find out what the truth really is. It's always difficult in the USA Times but a lot of this information has come from A. A Florida data scientists Rebecca Jones. You might know Rebecca Jones name. She used to work on the Cova Dashboard. She says she's the one who created the cove. Nineteen Dashboard for the state. Of Florida, yes, she says a told her to start manipulating the data, and they said No. There were a lot of other issues with her. She's got an interesting past and. You know. Maybe that's drama. Still going on in their inner current situation but she. Certainly I I would put her in a questionable territory. As far as what do you believe? What do you not believe from this Rebecca? Jones right now, but if she's right, she's got something big here in a write up on her. Florida Cova. Victims Sight Jones described the church gathering as a covert party. She alleged that Carson's mother Brunton Davis took the team to the event to intentionally expose her immuno-compromised daughter to the virus. As Brunton Davis wrote in the state after Carson's death, the team did not have an easy live largely because of her health complications. She also suffered from obesity, which is another big complicating factor and a nervous system disorder that improvement? She was five, according to a medical examiner's report, so some disturbing details there they also say it in this article while she was taking the medicine, the hydrochloric on. Carson began feeling ill. Developing a headache sinus pressure, mild cough then on, June Nineteenth Brunton Davis the mother noticed that Carson looked gray. She slept great, and so, what did she do? She diagnosis again. She plays Dr One more time. Prompting the mother to Hook her daughter up to oxygen, normally used by Carson's grandfather who has I, C, O p. Wow, so she said Oh. Carson looks a little gray. No need for concern, no need for a hospital. I can diagnose the nine one one gonNa take the oxygen off of my father and give it to her. How about this? When your kid looks gray on media, go to the emergency room. You're not you're human being. You're not supposed to look right. It's a sign that something very bad is happening at that moment. That's unbelievable and there have been no charges against her yet, but the way I've. This is the same way I view this when people do this on religious grounds. Sometimes, there is like extremists. Christian scientist well. Yeah, people of all different. Different backgrounds who will go I'm not giving my child these drugs. I'M GONNA put faith in God or Mother Nature is going to help us in the kid dies. That's your fault. Your apparent that child is your responsibility, so they're old to make decisions for themselves, and this might have been seventeen, but she clearly had a lot of issues, and clearly leaned heavily on her mother, and now she finds herself debt as a result of mom plan Dr. that's nuts and no one likes to find themselves dead. No, you know what I'm saying, no idea but it is very unfortunate and rolling. Get outta here. I am baffled by the story especially in a place where. I don't know how anyone can back up like even family members hearing stuff along those lines knowing these things GRANDPA who has an oxygen tank now. One person stepped up intended to the hospital. How possibly saving their life? How can you buy this stuff? What can easy on by it? No, no, no, I'M NOT GONNA buy it. I I've seen that online. This, Oh, this says here we go. This kind of makes sense. Do Directives from the Board of Pharmacy? This is a website as a matter which one it is and I'm looking at. You can see on the laptop here. I've I've well whatever hydro chloroquine are hydrochloric in two hundred milligram tablets, and it says Judy Directives from boards of pharmacy we. We are only dispensing. Hydrochloric went to patients with a history of us for an auto immune disorder, such as lupus or rheumatoid arthritis lupus. Now the doctor or the Mother did say she had an autoimmune disorder when she was young. Maybe they had hydro drugs chloroquine at the house or maybe bought some of this stuff. It's also disturbing, very very weird. That's A. Terrible way to parents your way through a pandemic. Obvious, I ever dispatch through the news junkie APP on a lovely Tuesdays. We welcome again. Our friends down in West Palm Beach and Real Radio Ninety two point one. We're in for the love doctors throughout this week. I think a couple of days next week for the Penthouse and we love you all down there. We appreciate you just wanted to make sure you got some more fresh content today. Here's blue eyed cutie with a dispatch. Hey, news junkie! This is my first time. Submitting a dispatch is how great fourth of July, trying to figure out of work here at have a great day. Work the. How To. Stop the dispatch. Just keep going. Thank you. Who I I like that I dispatch just saying hello is fun. Here's diver. Steve just want to give you a quick update Apparently putting black secret shows magnet on a black Harley. sportster tank wasn't the best idea. No It looks so good. It looked like it was painted on the tank and several people looked at it, but nobody wanted to touch it so any rate so I. Put it on my goal ranger instead. Was a nice idea that didn't work but please do me a favor and keep it and play. If you get it off my gold ranger, please keep it in play. Yes, everybody has a great week I'd beg of you thank you. Dr Steve Be. Careful out there with game. A magnets also got this photo dispatch. It's tough to see here, but this is a game a magnets on a boat right now. They put this on a bridge I. Don't know if any you know where matters bridges. Matters Bridge I am not never heard of. Here's a news junkie woody magnet one that looks it's made out of wood, obviously all model raw. Bridge. Add today, say magnets boat addition. That's a swing bridge on the southern tip of Merritt. Island okay all right, so maybe it was over Marshall. If you are if you're out there. Sparking Spark Face Marshall mathers bridge. That's all you were looking for. Easy let's go to. Good actually. I can't do it. Oh Yeah battle. Getting there, no, no, he says fastest fast can be. You'll never catch me. Okay, that's the. Lines that, he said maybe I'll go to the made out of. We'll look at ceiling and the man. Also Mobile Bloomberg of Like as if. The animal had been run over that survived. Back to work the? NEXT NOT MY FORTE MR Mr Woodchuck rolling over in his grave. If he's dead. Who knows full house? The whole thing's over. Here's the ambassador of Canada with dispatch. Hi Sean Sabrina and Salem but a hot minute. So yeah big news. Enduring Quarantine. Anyway I'm dispatching in. Five kids now. Canadian dead. Canada You are very very fertile. And I. Don't think there's an uncomfortable way to call somebody. Fertile Canada needs more people to be fair and this is. A? Canadian show to all works together. I can't I can't even make myself make that noise because my ears hear how bad it is dry. especially the longer version. Did you not hear the fastest baskin be? Bart Oh. Man, love your video on Youtube or something. I'm sorry back to this back to. The baby said you want to hear from teachers and I am certified as a substitute teacher up here and still working on getting my official certification for teaching classroom zoom. Concerned about going back to school, but that's because in my area where I would be going to teach, we have had. Cova case. And, basically what that case was just somebody coming through our town, they weren't an actual resident of the area because you imagine if we wandered through her town in Canada or like to a place, like New Zealand right now being from Florida. Florida resident shirt on I. Don't know why we'd be wearing averages. Follow my my logic here as illogical as basis shirt I wear what I want this place we're. We're wearing a shirt. Shirt I'm a Florida resident from Florida and walking into one of these places where they've never had a covert case I think they would all get out. Get Out. Enough is enough get the hell. OUTTA, here keep it in Florida. We've got enough of it here for for ourselves at the moment. When we come back, the next episode was Sabrina. What's coming up on the next step? is so well I have. An announcement is opposed. If you did not catch it this weekend, because once the tweet. was made. It was heard around the world, and we possibly have a new presidential candidates twenty twenty. Also you want some short shorts made by Tesla. Because, boy! Do I have a deal for you. They make strange things over there. Tesla! This might be the strangest. No not rocket launchers, but flame throwers and space stuff. Of course they do make rocket launchers. Yeah, it's very true, just the the big versions of that and now some short shorts. I might want a hands on these. Let's see mind. No, you're not going to story now, I just do you wanna wear short shorts I wanNA wear ready. Some short sea lanes length is about as far as I'd like to go right now to keep the legs cool, but. You know we'll then. Back in just a moment is the news junkie on real radio. Dispensing unsolicited advice on a wide range of pointless topics. It's the news junkie. The next episode in the moment. Although again to everybody is with us today. Whether you're at facebook, dot com slash the news chocolate wherever you're listening to US including where we're at in today for the love, doctors on Real Radio Ninety two point one down in West Palm Beach and up on the treasure coast. As well. We love you. We appreciate you and make sure you go to facebook dot com slash the news junkie and click like so you can follow along with the show even when we're not here on your glorious station. Let's get into it. Let's do the next episode because there's a lot on TV. Even, know. What else are you? GonNa talk about. You knew that guy just threw his poop on you. Weather's nice, it's time for the next episode with Sabrina. Hey! You're ready for the next episode Oh I'm. Not GonNa take. This. Poor shots. Or. Something just made a move faster than I think. He's moving very long. Screw you, you ran. Amazon has handled in trying to phase out and then you. You made a weird tonight. I have to think well has Hamilton done this to you in our you walking around your house, and like everything turns into that rap. Sing Song. He stuff that they do -solutely and I even created another rap song over the weekend and I think this is going to be the. I think this is going to be the one that changes the game. Right and makes people shake DASS okay. Speaking of shaking Dot Asu do that for a moment right in home loan radio DOT com, because you should be shaking off that high mortgage rate and getting a much lower one see if you qualify at home loans radio, dot com fifty two years ago nineteen sixty eight three years after. Eric Clapton quit this band. It's close at the second half. We're this birds. They must be in someone lover. Dr Bernard. Right! Three years after Eric Clapton. quit the yardbirds eight months after Jeff Beck left the group, the adverts broke up. Now Guitars Jimmy Page had to fulfill concert obligation, so he formed a new group and called it the new yardbirds. No nobody will ever know the difference yeah. Keith Moon said it all over like a led Zeppelin so page change their name to. Those old rock and roll stories. What's is that hard work? Zeppelin is like a big limp, but They're saying if the blimp was made out of lead, it would crack down to ground. There you forty five years ago, nine, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy five, and let me explain that that I little bit. There means one thing and one thing only rock and roll forever. Yeah, obviously, rock and roll forever. Fair forty five years ago, Nineteen seventy-five lead singer of this group right here. Rolling Stone that is right and the name for an extra point McGregor and. Obsolete Singer the second lead guy. Richer Keith Ridge Very. Oh, he does backup vocals right. He was charged with. Of An offensive weapon and reckless driving in Arkansas hundreds, and I mean hundreds of teenage girls stormed the jail where he was being held, it was cleared of the charges in August rock and roll forever. Despite like smoking hundred cigarettes per day. He has a beautiful backing vocal voice. Yeah does now was forty years ago that this group. Late. Show ever. It's. Not all rock and roll forever. But I'm sure they're. They're doing just. What is an offensive weapon? A weapon that. says. A news. Would it be like that? He's in the back or something? What would it be like? Pepper spray is a defensive weapon, and then because it's meant to get. From. Yeah, that's my yes, well, then we'll make it fact. Drink to that. Cheers to rock and roll living forever all right. Cheers down it goes. I cannot say the same or this Fella who? died. Charlie. Daniels, Charlie Daniels is right. He died after suffering. Three years old survived by his wife Hazel. And their son Gretel. Oh, that's Hansel. Charlie Daniels Junior. The world knew him as a brilliant fiddle player and of course I classic. The devil went down to Georgia. Charlie's going down. and. Let me tell you is thirty four singles on the billboard country songs charts sold over thirteen point five million records, so of his bigger hits included long haired country boy of that one. The South's GonNa, do it. In, America uneasy rider drink in my baby goodbye and my favorite boogie woogie fiddle country blues. Charlie was born in Wilmington. North Carolina got his break in the music business in the fifties. I guess nine hundred sixty four. Excuse me. When Elvis recorded song, he co wrote. It hurts me. We also. It was weird getting that news yesterday yesterday. was. Because I had some random country station on an Charlie, Daniels, song was on I was like Oh. That's Weird Charlie Daniels Song. That's not about a double going to and then an hour later. It's like Charlie Daniels is dead De. Killed in. To. The Jim Colbert Show I. Think the first segment talked about. Real music weekends being back, and they talked about devil went down to Georgia. Weirder or that they killed him. We did the same thing bill. Paxton. The day that we ask for someone to make a flag, go to the festival in my opinion, that is far worse because bill. Paxton was real solid loss for for this country. In my opinion on a one, your opinion on that. Don't blame it on too bad. Four hours and we sit close to each other. You're getting it and you're going to get well. Let's let's talk about money, I. Okay, the small business administration, says that this man's shoe company. Oh Kanye West, Kanye. West is right. The company got yeezy. Between two million and five million from the paycheck protection program. Have you done with the P P? It was instituted to help. The small businesses save jobs during the. The money reportedly helped save one hundred sixty jobs. Okay, just seemed like a lover five million. No, and is this what this was meant for the PP? Fritz and I were talking about this during a break earlier and I said some of these are hilarious, and people are all dunking on their political opponents with this. One of the places, and if you noted about politics, you'll get this and realized how ridiculous it is one of the places that got a PCP alone I. Think for over a million dollars was the and ran foundation and the idea that the an rand foundation got PCs funds from the government state. Existence is hilarious. If you know anything about her her ideal, it looks like he got it and a whole one. Hundred sixty jobs were taken care of meanwhile Connie recently filed to trademark the slogan West Day. Ever so you can slap it on more than one hundred different products from t shirts and hoodies to g-strings, an infant, wear and shoes, of course Oh yeah. Because he announced he's running for President, oh, yeah, perfect timing con- You tweeted on Saturday nights that he's running for president, which could mean a lot of things but Most assuredly just means a Kanye West we did that. He's running for president. I guess he's making good. On the announcement from two thousand fifteen at the via mace to launch a presidential bid in two thousand twenty is now claiming that he's entering this year's presidential race and great timing by the way I wonder if if he half asses music the way he half asses running for president. Great producer don't want to be president. We must now realize the promise of America by trusting God unifying, our vision and building our future, says Kanye West who also said. Scooping. Poop, it, good. Skavinski. Here's the thing this guy knows how to get attention rice. Every time he drops an album. He knows how to get attention. There is zero chance he's GONNA run for President Zero Chance. He could if he wanted to, and he had to get all the stuff signed, but everybody like Kanye. West does some and everybody just reacts every time, and you know of course probably nothing to do with that new album he. Did announcing album. Washington the blood right well. That's new single. But no, but he's running for president, Donald. Album his wife known TV woman and asked Oh Kim Kardashian tweeted. That she's in his corner unsurprisingly and then surprisingly. Alon Musk also decided to back west. Okay. Now. He has not filed the was it FC FCC OF Federal election. Commission isn't done that yet. But, there was also like a couple of states in which he needed votes for, and didn't get a where the hell was that I dunno damn quotas read. Well take my word for it. I suppose, but we'll see in the next couple of days. And with all of that, we might just need to stop trying to convince celebrities to run for president. For instance billboard is reporting that the fans of this Gal right here. Oh. Wait. They're trying to tell swift to be. President Taylor's with fans are trying to get her to run for president. He's pretty outspoken. is a how `Bout Taylor? Swift as President Selena Gomez Vice President One. Shore I would I would vote for Taylorsville. Okay, so I need at Joe Biden to announce Taylor swift as his vice president in order to the V near West and trump enough is enough. We're tired. Af wrote another a third wrote at Taylor Swift, running for president and winning avi, would honestly be like the end of all the Kim Ya drama. But unfortunately language. Will Not be able to know better some bad thing why she's dead. Nice, also over twenty twenty, the Rock, twenty, twenty, now actual county, twenty twenty and I know, beg you to stop, and then read Billboard Headline Hillary Duff embarrassed for US response to Covid nineteen jokes. She's running for President so we're in for a real treat. What's good field? Taylor swift can be president. Old. She's got thirty nine. Thirty, is she? Eighty nine, she was born in eighty nine. I will leave you with this I. AM running out of time, but never running out of legs space, and that's what you will have if you buy Tesla's new shorts. Sixty nine. Dollars. And four hundred! What was a Todo? Research. Looking at tiny D- You. Look at the. Big that crazy chick. Yeah. So yeah. The price of Tesla's new red sat and short shorts. It's a job at short-selling investors who bet against. The company, and now he's saying Elon Musk in a big middle finger, also Russian moving over the weekend. Tesla CEO announced a new product on twitter. Tesla short shorts with s three x y like the number three not. On the back kind of like the juicy, they've proven so popular. The website went down at one point man, and there's sixty nine dollars and four hundred twenty nine tenths holy cow for I. Guess that was the. The! Stock Right that he got in big trouble. Just makes everything sixty nine or fourth twenty tesla will make fabulous short shorts and radiant red satin with Gold Trim. We'll send some to the short seller. Enrichment Commission to comfort them through these difficult times thicker to shout at the SEC. Oh, they've proven to be quite popular right now. Only available in xfl, all other sizes sold out jam on that Boob to Oh. Man I sent you guys a link. So we could all watch pimple popper together favorite will tomorrow. On the BOOB tube while out, not even nature and gang will be joining the eleventh season premiere of. Counting on the Doug, irs in quarantine. Can't wait a show back. Sears Mirror dirty jobs road trip on Discovery Sixteen at this weekend season for sears mercenary, the old dirty jobs episode. Sixteenth Season Premiere of Primetime what would you do on ABC's celebrity? Show off on TBS and you can get deal hugely Darrell Bubba Wallace junior with guest host. Anthony Anderson. Because I know, people are going to go crazy. Can you explain what this song is? This playing in the background because people who didn't hear the previous show notes. If the SIMS bird. Sim Soundtrack they did all these different covers me. And, that's it for the to wash your hands where a mass stay safe Fenra. To. Slow. Thank you Sabrina and I. Hope that her sanitizing. Sanitizer time in the studio. Never too many times to do that I mean maybe there who knows? Contagious yawning one person does if the other. Person doing that. The thing I was thinking of I hope our shirts next week. The new normal shirts go out with the buffs to pull up over your face and your nose and the magnets and the stickers. I hope that they sell as well as those damn tesla shorts, because those seemed to be very high demand, and let's see how everything goes next week. Don't forget about that. 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If you appreciate what you're hearing today on the show, go to facebook dot com slash the news junkie to follow along. I think we're all week for the love doctors and and Dan next week a couple of days for the penthouse believe puts a question marks around that because I'm not so sure just talking during the break in what you said reminded me I. Put out a tweet this weekend and I didn't do this trauma generally interested, genuinely interested and hearing people's responses. No all the crap going on in the country. There's a lot of people that are like Oh you know. Especially on the fourth of July now, this is a different fourth of July where people were sort of questioning how they feel about the country and stuff, not me. Perennial I'm just happy that I'm in the United States of America with all of our faults But people often start taking shots at the country. Then I go if you didn't live in the United States of America. In which country would you want to live? And why just to see what people were going to say? And the responses and it was interesting. There were a bunch of because ceiling out had a big giant. Mystery meal or adventure meal from outback steakhouse. Where you just like order, all kinds of stuff off the menu and one person was like Australia solely because I. Love the blooming onion at outback steakhouse and I said that is not Australian that is from the United States and I think it was stolen from a place in New Jersey. By. Outback steakhouse is the Australia our time. They're missing the Kangaroos, but otherwise they have it. Added to Australia was a big one but I don't think there's any legitimacy to the Australian. Nisa outback steakhouse I feel like they're probably not exactly authentic. That means they're going. Get canceled, so yeah probably. Austrians They're not worried about anything. They're just kind of doing their thing down there. A lot of people, said Australia Lotta people surprisingly said Belgium like they'd. They'd like to live in Belgium. Most people said they wanna live in the United States there live in the United States, and they're proud to be an American to a certain extent, but if they were going to, it will be all these places, and the one that I heard over and over people saying Candida Oh. My God I wouldn't of all the places Canada and for one reason and one reason only I scratch it off my list of countries that I would wanna live in winter the weather. No just couldn't do. It. Just would not be able to put up with that. The beauty of living in the state of Florida is even though it's hot as hell out this week. At least it's not continuously snowing in dreary and Dr. Water on your head. You'll be fun. Maple Syrup in that actually body? To warm yourself up in Canada, still leaves you in candidate. To Cool, yourself down in Florida Fritz, says. Water on your head and you're five and you are and like I. Just could not deal with nine out of ten of the places. I'd scratch solely for weather at your your life. If you WANNA go outside and do things depend so much on the weather of the place, the Iraq and of course. Nineteen was like Oh. We all stay inside, yeah! And in the case of the United, states is a wide variety of weather in Canada. No thanks whole thing. Freezing cold just seems like people are so nice if they're depends on where you go I, think the Montreal. People aren't quite as nice as the rest of them say that. No Montreal not been to Montreal a couple of times, but the people in Montreal are a little different than all the other people in Canada Toronto spot on. You gotTA. Worry about degen's from upcountry. Well. What was that degen's up? You've watched too much of this show man. What is this show? You're watching letterkenny letter. You've watched too much of it, not a thing. You're turning into a Canadian by proxy I. Think just by watching this show over time. Canadian. Smells like a Canadian. ME. Like sweet. Sweet smells like outback, steakhouse and hangover today. I had my early experience with Canadian Television which I became slightly Canadian, that was with the. The next generation all yeah. Because all the high I was like wait. Mom's cool with it, but they have all these terrible things the kids do and then shape it like lessons so I got the green light to watch, and then of course you see Jimmy, there was in the wheelchair drake, and then he becomes drake. What a weird transition! From like the nerdy kid in scores Nerdy or was just in a wheelchair. He was cool, but in a wheelchair. With wheelchairs are nerdy automatic now I was separating the two which why made the return to what I had said and change it up. I don't think he was shot. Why did he get shot because he was a nerd? What a school shooting into the narrative of show! Yeah, and like Wehrley before God became a really big thing in the United States. We're going to say thought you were GonNa say before it was cool. Let's go over to this. This is the voice which has been syndicated all around the country, and now it's on and Australia and one of the contestants. Does this thing where they decided to vote off the cadets and I don't know how the voice works. It's like spinning chairs or stuff, or whatever happens on this show they. Know that but however they eliminate them. God You are trolling me today. You are trolling me throughout the entire show up. No, it's fine I'd take. Thanks cry about. It wasn't going to cry on my tears off for Hamilton I told you this. Is this payback only because like two weeks ago? You were telling me the whole show. What are? You actively just said I. WanNa Charlie I am doing. This is how I start trolling out very likely. This is a contestant on the voice. Australia Soma Sutton, I believe is her name, and she lost the a playoff competition, and they voted her off the show she started. Segue into that whole thing where she's like I I didn't even want to be on this show to begin with and started going on the judges and it got awkward. I feel like I've unlocked something that you need to work on, but you need time to work on the ASS on. This, particular time in your life on the Matica sounder. Well, the thing about is is that I didn't even really WanNa come on the best place. I was convinced to come here. and standing. And like it is disheartening, your advice that you guys will give. It's like you sit genuine or I would like to or my favorite part here is they stay? Show that Pan across the view of the stage and you have four I think judges for the voice, and you'll recognize them. You recognize the voice into second boy George is one love. Everybody was shared an anniversary of the day. He started following me on twitter. Boy George follows on twitter. Yeah, he does Nice work think he's the one of the judges. Who are the other ones you recognize a few of the people? Maybe even voices, and there's one of them who's not there. She's not do not own the stage. Everybody else's like spread out there on the production stage filming this in Australia one of them. They just put a big like cell shape screen on the chair and she's. She's like on a screen on the stage and she Johnson. Like do I actually have what it takes to be? A musician or Soma? Can I I'm so sorry to cut you off. It's the one that's on there. Let's Kelly Rowland isn't I don't think it is. No one's going to waste their time I. mean it sounds like just tell you something because it sounds good I like the fact that you are asking us for real real. Like what are you off? No. I think just the disheartening thing about it is that you don't have enough time to get it I mean you don't know why I'm. I'm in my show. We can only dive into Arabs so God. Others! So? I didn't want to be here to begin with I didn't want to be a part of this. Trying to find the current judges here on the wikipedia pages, says team Guy Team Delta Team George, Tim Kelly Okay so Kelly Rowland is one of them George is obviously boy George George Delta Good Room. Don't know She's very pretty lady and she. You know her from being an Australian, she's Australian. Say, of course, yes, and actress. and. Joel Madden I. Don't think is on there anymore, not there to begin with. Yeah, I'm looking at the judges, but this is according to. It's so weird that they have these shows every country. Now you know what I love to see. I've seen. Clips of when they hit all the versions like they did this with who wants to be a millionaire once and like the. USA is a million dollars, but you go to other countries in an almost gets to like slumdog millionaire territory where everything? Changes on the show, and they have this all around the world, and that's that's what's GonNa. There's still filming stuff there I. Don't think we're doing that in the US anywhere. Were I don't. Know Audience Who wants to be a millionaire? The one that Kim also hosting? Doesn't have an audience at all. Yeah! CONAN is back on a stage, and the only person in the audience is like one of his producers. There's just one person sitting in the. Yes, it's. Playing with and yeah, he did his first show from. What's the name of the place that they're at Largo at the coronet theatre is where CONAN's filming show for a net nice wants to get out of whole zoom thing I mean. It's time to get past. Some of that stuff are quick break when we come back I. WanNa get into this piece of technology. That is the greatest thing ever I wish I had it on right now I. Literally Wish I was wearing this right now and somehow nobody's buzzing about this new technology yet. We will discuss it next news junkie on real radio. A real. One. Documenting and contributing to the decline in American culture. This is the news John. Get an exclusive technology. That I need I must have. Changed the world I'm not even interested in that. You wanted to keep telling the story I won't. Leave us on the edge. During commercial break, I was one of those breaks or where we all have little stories as see lane started off. Finish the stores like that. We'll. Get a chance to say my absolutely terrible happy. Half, the time is spent trying to do this. Dave Kuei Jack. Character voiced. What's Jackal Oh? That's the name of the character. Mr Chuck. Why do you think he's so obsessed with things that are made of wood? Jack Lobe somebody helped me out here. The Bunny wailer! Yes, yeah, the Jackal was the thing that he did on full house to know it was a puppet. I guess there's two things. In Bowl winkle along whatever none of this matters this story? Yeah the Giancarlo was on full House, was it not as I thought I heard about this thing? It's like you know like a bunny with a deer, horns, or something and Google, imaging and I see Uncle Joey with the woodchuck in. And that's something it would work. And then I see. The bunny with Antlers I. See the same image of Uncle Joe. So, yes, on Google images, you could see the two together, but never on the TV some loose connection, but perhaps only on Google limoges what I think it may have been. Let me throw this theory out here and then everybody who's a falling asleep right now? Listening will get into your dispatches and this new piece of technology, Dave. Was Joey on full house and wasn't an uncle Joe. Joey and he did the Mr Beaver character that what? God just follow me here except that it's a woodchuck. Mr Woodchuck. Character is the one that did. Is it made of wood because that makes sense any also Dave? Kuei hosted a problem. Call a program called America's funniest people on that. I think the Jack Elope was featured on the show on you are. Dot something. All the points in news, is it. Found only in the mind of people who is back, truckers. Sounds like. Was Him the Jack Jack. So legendary. When this segment and just a haul it off to the broadcasting hall of fame, please sending this the westbound to set it everybody down there, and we'll get to something else in just a moment here, but let squeeze in a couple of your dispatches. At least here's a I ever dispatch from Lil Tae. Thank you for this year. It is Kenya's junkies. My Name's Taylor. I'm eighteen years old and I've been a listener of the station for about nine to ten years. Are By far my favorite show. And I WANNA thank you for delivering the news in a not so dreadful way. Over I now well, thank you appreciate that little, do we? Because she's eighteen, she could win. Win Right all that's true. Do we Let me see. All you have to do is give out the prize. And then it's all on ceiling, trying to connect the dots and make this work. Yes, so emails lane at Real Radio DOT FM to get your prize or congratulations. Thank listening. Let's go over to Bro. Dispatch shown gets drunk in the morning gets drunk in the afternoon, but Jonah Nascar nobody for nothing. If, he can get it on his own. If you know. The way shown live. Just leave the News Jong. Get bored, allow. God I can't do it anymore, I can't. This. Whole segment is Charlie Daniels is turning in his newly dug grave I. DO NOT BLAME HIM. Let's let's do this. Let's bring this on. Here's a New Orleans. Jim The dispatch. It's A. Here's. Their Major sticking a thumb in my eyes sir. I can't do it our. New Piece of technology that nobody's really talking about yet, but I think this deserves some some attention here now. You might think this is nerdy. You might take some shots at it. Is it a wheelchair? It's not a wheelchair. But this. New Device from Sony is now making the rounds. They have an air conditioner for your shirt. The blocks new Sony wearable air conditioner is available to make the summer less sweltering. Laptop you could see this like this little card that you put into. The Bachelor Shows One cup right there boom. We put that in the back of your shirt and it. It's an air conditioner for insiders shirt. Anybody will ask to wear a dress shirt for work. Especially, if you don't have a brand new car, even if you do, it's so hot outside. It's hard to get the down to the right temperature. It takes some time you end up. Sweating your ass off. You sweat it your shirt and it's hard to recover from it in a day well that and I. Mean think about I think. The market is going to benefit the most is menopausal women. Yeah, you put this in my my poor mother is it is a bad to say someone is going through our say no so that. Almost said that being said if she had that because she has gone through so many missing fans, and then actual fans, and then having to just lie down with the air conditioning on. If you have just something a little device like that, it'd be great. Yes, if it's whisper quiet and it kept you nice and cool, and like what if it took? Batteries obviously takes batteries. If the batteries lasted all day and people didn't know you're just sitting there with a nice cool AC. Breeze blowing all through your shirt. You know what that feels like I i. don't know if it will identify with this in any way Sabrina, but see lane. probably will. Most, guys have from time to time been driving a car, and you might put your foot up sort of on on the Dash, and if you have Short Sean, Oh, yeah, get that breeze kicking right down your short-haul short hole and right up into the Crotch, all region and air circulating through there that you could hear the ocean. It is the most enjoyable feeling like putting your ear up to. And in this case pop this thing in your shirt here's open eight million bucks. It's called Sony Riyan pocket Sony R.. E.. O. N. pocket is the name of the device. Trying to look for the price, all looks. Just the same thing and it's all Japanese. Twelve, thousand seven hundred sixty yen. Ever take one hundred seventeen dollars. ooh, that's a little steep up to nineteen thousand yen, which is about one hundred seventy five. Dollars, depending on the version, and how many undershirts he want to buy with it. I'm going to view this like this. If you're like the first cell phone, the first cell phone, he's little clunky, stupid thing, but eventually that technology took over the world. Now we got these great cell phones with all sorts of features on. Maybe the price comes down. These things get a little bit thinner and we all have. AC's built into our shirts Bam and I don't know how new this technology was at the time is on Tiktok and because of air conditioners, and that's part of Algorithm now. Re invented the wall unit. They put out a window to lay like a saddle on a horse, so you can saw a full functioning window i. don't even know what it's called, but if you Google that I'm sure you'd find it or just, the AC is now a saddle instead of a bit big box and anybody who's never had a picture it's. A C- Thatta. For Air Conditioning Saddle and. The over over over the sill, low profile. Okay over the sale, low profile air conditioner on. These and yeah, they do the best AC company of all time. I see what you're talking about. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, sometimes like lose track of some of these different fields and you see how. Far they've come and another was Samsung. Just announced for a bunch of their phones. They now have a new wireless charger and talk about perfect timing. Did that already the the new wireless charger from Samsung? You set your phone in it and the you hit the button charges your phone very quickly and it. You've sterilizes your phone I swallow. It's in their zapping all that gross stuff off the damn thing. Apple already did that or is that Samsung? The apple has A. Wireless Charger. They just set your phone on Pinterest Kobe nineteen out of the. Not yet, but I was taking the opportunity. Because usually it's apple that has the announcement and then Samsung users are like Oh my God. Yeah, we'll hear that no matter what here's bt with the dispatch from the news junkie Guys that awhile since this batch? I wasn't feeling too well woke up in the middle of the night, and of looking face bucks, and I saw Shawn's post and I knew it had to be something to do with Carol F in Basket Damn. Good stuff there, man. Hey, oh, yeah, remember that time Sean Killed Cameo. We can't con-. Celebrities or well known to say crazy things. I was good while it lasted. I'll go. Journey I think I'm banned from cameo just for the record. And I know they definitely deleted this video. Thank you cool, cat shine. WHO CAN SEAN DID IT? I'm completely guilty. Stay! Cool get. Still burned by TMZ sang was bad at editing. The video hurts. Mafia helped you out What are you just put it out there further or in not going further in their in their criticism of my editing of the video. I think saying that it was poorly edited. A good Defense Defense Pau for it being apparent. Go look even tmz knew immediately a that. This wasn't real, or is it he you call catch on your mind. Did it? I'm completely guilty when we come back, stay cool cats, jury duty, plus there is something with social distancing once again, being a key area of focus covert nineteen. There's something that has been growing exponentially in popularity, and it's something that is not for me. It's not for me in fact if I put the order. Order of us and I might screw this up. I'll see if everybody agrees. I will put in at number one on wanting to do this this thing some bring number two and I would be the very bottom of the list number three. We ask. I would be number three on list in water to do this short list. We'll talk about what this is and do jury duty with the latest updates on courtroom stories in just a moment. The News Junkie on Real Radio This. Real radio. One online radio DOT FM on your phone with the Free Iheartradio APP and on your smart speaker play real radio. iheartradio my pleasure. Filling in the gaps between the New York Times and Worldstar this is the. Back days one hundred good story. Good stories make, me interesting parties. Thing in parties. Own. Stuck with him? I'm so self conscious about it now. Completely blamed Sabrina. As you can imagine it was completely her fault. I'm so self conscious about humming the rejoins when we come back from break now and I still do it, but I every time. I started doing I. Think about it and I'm like. Oh, man, because if it ever headphones on. I have my headphones on I'm homing along with the song as we come back from break this one time and I said it don't even say. Like smiling because I thought it was. Cute. Thing about us, so dramatic is with C.. Lane as if to say you see what this guy's doing over here. No, you never know see has made fun of me previous to this for humming the rejoins because he would listen into my studio. It was me it was. One tiny Mona Lisa smile that major paranoid. Moving forward with no ceiling has been doing it for years. It was just making me aware of something that I wasn't aware that I was doing much like and. People told you bring about saying that being said and then when you go to say it again, you like Oh man I was functioning I did not know I was saying this over and over I. had no idea I was doing that. And now when we come back my God I'm doing it again well. You are safe to do it at least I guess. If I'm my headphones are on I. Think you're safe to do it if my headphones were off because you're so ashamed in scared roaming than wait to my headphones around by just find it bizarre behavior. Stand by saying that I thought it was. adorable too strong of a word. Between Cute and adore not the word that. Me See like definitely was was trying to make fun of me. That I said single walked the rejoins. That guy you sit in their body in the talk back, man. That's okay. No I don't mind singing from time to time were no no. No that's not going to do. Jury Duty Zach But beware. This could be bad for for you and for all involved. I think Sabrina. Because the US government is seriously looking at banning TIKTOK. They are looking into banning the APP Tiktok what you think, generation Z. is against you right now. You think to president trump and all the people in this. Gen Z. is against you. How Takeaway Tick Tock during a pandemic and see what happens? You're going to be dealing with the fallout like you've never seen before. You can take their pride. You can take their ability to roam around freely. Talk All hell is going to break loose. There'll be another athlete someone. Yeah, it's not one from China because that's the problem here. Why this APP in particular is well look, they'd banned. Tick Tock in Hong. Kong you know obviously all the issue that Hong Kong has with China stoorikhel been going on for a long time and now the United States is looking at. The United, states should be looking at banning zero APPs, I. Mean there are no apps that we should be looking at banning people if they're smart, enough can be made aware of any kind of privacy or security issues that they may have Tiktok, because it's so run by Chinese company and the Chinese company is. Under the grips of the Chinese government Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. All that stuff matters not, and this is also one of those things much like. Cambridge Analytica when that story came out and they go look, they're taking all of your data and they're. They're targeting for political ads. Or when we saw this video showing all of these kids number the forget corona. I get corona. Sean this spring breakers that's right down in south Florida at the beginning of the pandemic, and then they showed where they went all over the country. People were like Whoa I'm never getting the APP, that does that. We all give away all this information every single day. There's and I don't WanNa out that it's easier to find. And you know obviously to piggyback off what you're saying, but they're like I thought I was going to be able to play Farmville or figure out what condiment I was related to after this quiz and all this time, my identity and my information was being so like Duh. It's going out, so you're accepting when you're going to do the. And it's not just one APP, but you've probably got a dozen APPs on your phone that you're granting all of this access to. I will say with Tiktok in particular that I found different than the other APPS was I. downloaded made my my username, but I'm not able to message within the APP until I confirm my phone number really so I just haven't done that. Is that like to keep down people that are caressing one another and stuff? No, I think it's to get our information. Oh! Okay. Why why was I? Think it was for a good thing. An extra step, but instagram the same thing I mean I took a picture of a rug and two hours later. I had targeted ads for our. No, we don't care if you're being harassed. We just WANNA mind some data. Everybody wants the data and you're right. It is so weird when you have a conversation with somebody or you send an email, or you google something, and then you go on your Amazon APP or Or you scroll through facebook and you see the targeted advertising. You're like damn. They are good at this. I was GONNA GIVE HIM CREDIT I I've talked before about how in particular instagram's advertising is I have drunkenly bought a lot of things on instagram say I'll flip through and be like well. That is really cool, and it'll be like so targeted at me and that my definitely need travel hot sauce right now. But the huge difference is when you click. Learn more on that targeted ad that it brings you right to that item. If I'm clicking on a great couch I want and it says sign up for this website. Murder Gone I. Just have gotten so good at data because they have all this data, tiktok or And I think they're. They're just trying to make some noise with this. I seriously doubt they'd would go to bash. No, not still play my new favorite game as as a revolves around instagram advertising is What is this thing that wishes trying to sell me oh? My God man. Ed Ed like because because the Amazon one. They tell you what it is. The wish ones they don't so that I just show it to Ashley and I say. WHAT THE HELL is! Much Bizarre Stan lately I. Keep Getting the same wish ad. That's like an electronic drum set for twenty five bucks. We mind which is ridiculously low. It's R-, it looks like a Roland it couldn't have been v drums, because those things are expensive as hell, but it looks like a role in electronic drum set, and when you click, it never goes anywhere. Yeah, it's. It's always like file. Not Found. Courtney had some yesterday and she shows me her phone. She's look look at these wish. ADS and I'm getting right now, and it was helmets for chickens as Little football. How much you put on a chicken and I'm sure there's some reason for it, but I'm sure it's not for like hawks No, no, no the. Chickens and the thing that really it sold by the same person that made all those little top hats. The pigeons in Vegas. I duNno, it's a bizarre world. There's a game in there. We might play this week somewhere for right now. 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Who was in the videotape dispute over the dog where she was screaming at the Black Dude and Colin I'm GonNa call nine one one bird welter. She said there's an African American man and she was talking about attacking me bird watcher Christian Cooper. The world's rolled-over this lady. She lost her job. She had all kinds of other stuff going on, and now they've gone back and I think. We've discussed this to a certain extent on this show I think what they're doing here is they see a common consistent behavior, and you need somebody to make an example out of and unfortunately for her and her case, Amy Cooper's going to be that example, so they charged her over this incident, and they charge you for the false nine one one call. And now go through the entire system here. You've had the governor the. What's The groundhog killer? The blasios himself chairman in on this and he's like. Yes, this is what we need. We got charges against this one. This is about nothing more and I'm not even saying this is bad. Sometimes, you gotTa do this. It's about making an example out of somebody, so it changes the habits of everybody else. It makes you think twice about picking up the. The nine one one call with something annoying is happening around. You forgot sake. We ignored years and years and years to get away from all the ratio elements and all of that stuff. We ignored so many decades of people calling nine one one over incorrect fast food drive through orders over the silliest things clogging up emergency lines for reasons that they did not need to. And this woman now another completely different angle of that, but she has been charged to faces a misdemeanor I'm trying to see what the actual charge is called here. Falsely, reporting the confrontation and a maximum penalty of a year behind bars, she will never get that much. She will probably serve zero jail time, but it's about showing people through example. Hey, you can't do this anymore. Another case popping up. It's getting attention of course anytime. There's a fatal incident with police There is a interest in that case and this. This case there's some protests in Phoenix this time. He had a black guy in a car and the officers came up to this person, and they ended up shooting and killing this guy and a bunch of people took to social media, and they try to compare it to all these egregious cases of police, overreaction, violence, and even murder. Why that we've seen? I wanted to die. Is Number One on the list I think this guy wanted to die. Death by COP is a real thing. Suicide suicide by COP and he was in the car, and he and he pulled out a gun, started pointing at the police officers, and was for a while back and forth saying shoot me. Shoot me and then aggressively I guess, move this weapon. They released the body Cam footage because there was enough of a reaction happening to this and the police ended up shooting him, and the police rushed to him after they shot him, immediately tried to tender care and do everything they could to try to help this guy out. You're going to have no. No matter what there is no such thing as zero balance of police shootings in real life, just not not going to happen. You're always gonNA to violence in the world as long as you have violent people, and you're always going to have police shootings as long as you have. Police interacting with people in a culture, where of course guns are so prominent is ours and in this case. I can't see anything that makes this anywhere near on the scale that Brown Taylor. Her case would be or of course George Floyd in many other circumstances that we've looked at. That's why they rushed out body CAM footage. They even had their sheriff or the the officer. Near rate you know, here's the story. Here's what happened to try to cut through everything that was going on all right. I said this before, but let's get into when we come back because there's something that's blowing up in popularity right now because of social distancing. And I hate this and I think both of you are way better at it than me, but we'll see i. want to see what everybody thinks. I'm very interested in this, and we'll get to your dispatches from the news junkie up in just a moment news junkie on real radio. Just minutes away from a grand in your hand brought to you by meals air on real radio four point one. The game of magnets over the world one terrible person, an anti. This is the news junkie. New Trends as a result of all this Kobe one thousand nine hundred ninety cents dealing with, and what am I cannot stand. We'll talk about that in just a moment. Hello again to our friends down at Real Radio Ninety two point one, and of course on the treasure coast as well I believe it's one on one point seven. There were joining you today for the docs this week. They deserve some time off to do they not so they're the chill out at home ducks. Yeah, right now. They're just a relaxing Dano, Luke and all the. The folks from the show behind the scenes and in front of the scenes are just taking a couple of days off, and we'll be with you I think days next week. Tucson hope you're enjoying. US you can always interact with a show. Go to facebook dot com slash the news junkie. We'll give you all the information. You need to know this week and next week. We have a new shirt on sale. The new normal is going to be on sale next week I can hear the program director in the background I think that's. On, maybe that's what's been sending back to us. There's something that microphone as hard as Jack Rogers screaming at the station. But there might be a Mike on in. Your. was. That's the only. Time. Out But no one is in there. I just started to hear program director in the middle of a screeching argument was somebody. We should have just really eavesdropped on hacking. That might be a legal. down. The legalities afterwards imagine who is screaming out, have you? Paid attention to Shawn's weaken cares about legalities right now. What's funny so? There was no way this could have given audio because it was on, and it's not in any of the four program so I don't get it. I don't know how it happened, but it was interesting there for a second. Sorry back to it. Do we gotTA shirt for you starting next Monday? It's called the new normal and I think you're gonNA love this. If you scroll down a bit at facebook dot com slash news junkie first of all no matter where you from just go there right now and click like we're over forty five thousand followers of this weekend and I'd love for you to be next so good at facebook dot com slash news junkie. That's you can watch the show where you see all the. The updates constantly posting stuff over there including this to shirt design which I love, I posted it. I tried to make into like a little animated thing or like video with actual flames in it, because it shows the famous viral photo of the bear in the Hammock, but the the Hammock is attached to these palm trees in the palm trees are on fire, and the bears drinking in the Hammock, and it says the new normal, and somebody goes be a lot cooler if there was actually flames moving on the shirt, and then like I don't have the technology friend. We already did a shirt that was color change in remember how much of a pain in the ass? That was yeah, because you decided to have one that cursed I'm in the sun, and when that did knock one said when the sun hitting the design lit up, it said. Totally Scott Wall and the other said totally f Word Sky Wall totally Athens. Guy Wall and we realized we laid them all out. We're like we can't tell which which we have to activate all these shirts to be able to see somebody ordered like a G. rated one or an X. rated one, and this is going to cause us all kinds of problems now. This is of course, not that and I'm sorry. The flames don't move, but it's a bad asked his on what? What's the game? Where they always had the the advertising that said game cards do not actually talk. Oh I. Know what you're talking about. Yeah! Heads up something like that where you had to flip down, you're you're You're trying to guess which. I guess guess and every time you saw the commercial because they had the talking. Game tonight or she's talking to do. We need to be told. Yes, they have that because some dude from albuquerque is watching any goes. I cannot believe it I thought that they talk there now. I opened it up and it's a mess, so get your shirt like that red bull loss. The flames do not move in red bull does not give you wings the. Comes with a buff. Here's a buff. If you're watching on video, you sleep this down over your neck, and then if you're going someplace, you could pull it up over your nose and your mouth because we're gonNA need face coverings for quite some time moving forward. He knows how long, but you might as well have a coup, and this one's got the fickle beast. Beast on it. We got a sticker with it in a magnet, and it's going on sale on Monday, but you better jump on this thing and my leak out a little bit before then, but you better jump on this thing because we only have one thousand, and then we are completely cutting it all off at that point. Okay to these trends with covid nineteen. Pandemic was have some new trends that are popping up and I'll start with the one that I said. I think I'm at the bottom of the list of people on the show. Who would be up for this I think lane is on top see late. Is like number one like? Yeah I before that? Sabrina comfortably in the middle and I am like Oh. Hop, skip and jump down on the bottom from there. If no interest, no interest in this, it's just not in my blood man. It's none of my DNA is not in who I am as a human being. Camping is exploding in popularity. As a result of social distancing, which let's be clear makes a ton of sense you're GonNa go camping. You have your very close knit family or your group of friends kind of fun. Go outside and Grill and stuff and I love almost all of the pieces of camping puzzle. I love the arriving hanging out with your friends I love the drinking I. Love the grilling and eating s, maybe even some of this winning, but I cannot put up with the sleeping in a tent or sleeping outside i. don't Care If you've mastered this. If you say Oh my God, no, no no Sean! It's like sleeping on a better air. This setup I got you gotTA, Buy Mattress Ex and put it in ten be and ABC happens. No can't do it. Never been cool with. It just doesn't work for me now, but there are ways to truly master it how there are. All yours the type of tent that you're getting it think a big part of your experiences. How quickly things take to setup and breakdown? We'll tell you from experience. There's nothing worse than a miserable night of sleep on your camping or incidents. The festival that I went to or went from a beautiful seventy five down to forty degrees tonight, and you think you're going for a little sleep after eating some chocolates and wake up thinking. You're dying just some chocolate from candy. A candy regular run of the mill like ferocious chocolates, and let's say it's the fair Rochet of its type of. When you say type when he was something special about these chocolates think it is. But you're right. I was thinking we'd chocolates the Muffin. Dolls I have. Learn the right way of tent camping. But if I could. I would most definitely put myself up with a company that puts you in a van. That's ready to go so that back to your location. And your stuff set up already. Maybe a little table outside l., A. Cornhole Barbecue, and then you're good when you're ready to pack up everything inside, and you leave I gotTa tell you. I'm getting close on there I'm getting close to buying a van I five and before I buy a van. Nine van, please let me I'm not I think they're pretty expensive particularly right now. And what's the Brandon I are talking about his? These vans that are retrofitted like many RV's and van has like you put a little seeping area in there. You put a a solar panel on it. You can have a refrigerator. Some of them have water and water storage. They're cool like many are vs and they're so popular right now and I dig that I dig the freedom of that idea. What's more freeing than the device that your vehicle is also something kind of cool and hit that you sleep in, and it's not a ten because I know. This is gonNA sound so boozy, but deal with it. If, I get a tent. I don't WANNA ten. I can't stand up in there. I want like. I want like a big like. My ten is impossible, because it has to go up immediately with very little skill required and it has. that their feet tall I'm confident that you could find. Even you. Not Not. An outdoorsy person can prevent a forest. Could could what's what's the foreign this thing before the ground of the forest I need. On. Put a tarp or you can get a memory foam or get rogue. A A lot of people have brought like they're on drugs. But the stuff that they've invented in the last couple years. They also have tents in which you put in your truck bed. Click a button and it POPs up in your tents in the back of your truck like tank backed. Off The ground, I don't WanNa be on the ground, and I want to be like good cramped up in this crappy little ten saw one. And now we're getting back to facebook and Instagram ads, but I saw one over the weekend that they were, it was promoted post, and it was like a tent that goes above your vehicle. Yeah, and there's a ladder that you have to climb to get into it. But it and the thing was like nine hundred dollars and everybody on the cotton pitcher. This house it go above your. Your vehicle like on the top on the roof of your car. Yeah, and so it's like lifted up, but it's totally not worth the money, and there are a whole bunch of people commenting like yet rather just sleep in my car for nine hundred bucks. Yeah, that's a lot see. That's the problem with all these things and you know what happens when you sleep in a tent. I've seen it I know how. You ever seen the. What's the documentary about the Guy who loves bears? You know what I'm talking about. No, you said you've seen Tom. Fred seems like a guy would have seen that, but he's. He's back at the studio on a conversation. Grizzly man. Grizzly man. Lived in the four yet grizzly man lived in the for any I remember Szeswith bears, and he was sleeping in his tent, one night, and his bare buddies realized that there was somebody in that tent, and they ripped it open, and they tore his face off of his body and ate him. That's what happens when you're in a tent. And he survived. No, he's totally dead. What happens in by the way? There is footage of it, but they never released it even though they had the footage, they didn't want to release it. 'cause he was a sweet man. just as loved him from Grizzly I'm sure there's the same footage of Steve Urban Yeah. Oh yeah horses. Mr Hands Video. is on all `nother level. We have to deal with any of that. If you're in one of these retrofitted advanced. And how much are these? Have you looked up prices yet? Sabrina depends on what you're looking for. If they're ready to go, like someone's already done that probably very expensive I've seen. Trending online mostly TIKTOK are people that are buying crappy vans even mini vans, and then walking through the process of gutting everything is putting on plywood on the bottom, taking out the seats and replacing with the bed, a little kitchenette. All that stuff is a bill available for you to do it on your own see. I just need a van for Sabrina Radio Check this out. Look look at this onto my laptop right now, and you'll see what I'm talking about with these vans. This is a company called Van Life Customs at a Denver, and I bet they're quite expensive, but they retrofitted this, so there's a sink you can see like two seats here for some passengers in the back. They've got the raised up. Thing. There's an air. Air Conditioner right there, and there's a bad and like you got screens for TV's. Here's another one. These are awesome like this is how you do it. I could get behind some sort of camping trip if I was going into that every night to what is called omnibus or Omni van. WHO's a bunch of different companies that have popped up to do this? There's outside van. was A on own D., E. V. A. N. Okay they're out of Miami I think they have a couple of any rentals to okay. Yeah, so had hooked up with them. I, think it was like a year or so ago. We're GONNA. Talk about. Going to borrow this year it's happening, but I think those vans are still available, and that's great because they took one of the old like nineties, conversion vans and modernized. There's couches in this one. This is how you do it. Mantell Jordan felt that way when I was saying it I want to see something real quick. What are the prices on these things because they got some? I say I don't know, but if you're GONNA use it say that you heard it here. Second Forty five thousand dollars to purchase to own it. Yeah, with two hundred six thousand miles on the thing, so I dig it I don't things account and look look how the? Pain, this is awesome. You see out this particular conversion van has a ladder alongside the roof is a deck. You go up on the roof unlike put chairs up there and chill out naked some vapors. It's awesome ants right here on this side of it. That's a big. Thing you. You fold out over the side like a a roof. Call whatever? And Guy but pig off road tires. I, I think this is awesome so way to go I want that I. Do not want regular camping, which is exploding right now. A friend, who. Just like her boyfriend sold all their stuff, and they got this van, and they did a whole bunch of work on it and they they fitted it with a bed, and all kinds of storage stuff and They just travel around the country. Now he works from wherever he wants to I love it, and why five from your phone or a hot spot or something and like if you if you're comfortable that I know showers and stuff, some of that's GonNa be a little difficult in the bathroom and stuff, but otherwise you could save a lot of money to these hotels and stuff are very expensive. I think it's more feasible though money wise I, think these are so expensive because there's not a lot of people that are doing them, but forty five thousand dollars for a van with one hundred thousand miles on it. That's a huge amount. Of money could buy a van and Redo it yourself. If you, so this is forty five thousand dollars. If you own your own van and you retrofitted your van to go camping to go on vacation and to do this stuff to like a much more affordable recreational vehicle to drive the country or drive around the country. You would save money on every hotel that you didn't have to buy. That's one thing you would have to pay the price. That RV cost which is an insane amount of money. And when you're not using it, you could rent it out to other people. You could rent it like your friend could go. Hey, I'll give you X.. X. Amount of dollars, and I'll take it for the weekend and know be careful with it, so that's one of the big trends. It's blowing up a social distancing the other one very quickly i. just saw this seaworld tweeted out. Can you guess what we're doing this weekend? Comment your best guess below and here's what they have they have. It looks like some sort of explosion and sort of car at night, and like maybe a food truck, and then it says seaworld Orlando. Next to my best guess is that they're saying they're gonNA turn seaworld in a parking lot into drive in theaters at night. That with fireworks with fireworks. Potentially I don't know what that supposed to mean. A shooting star is a maybe it's under the stars or Like a firework I don't know, but regardless they're turning the seaworld parking. Lot It. My guess is into a drive in theater and they're not alone because we have all these issues. Walmart is going to take a ton of their Walmart stores, and at a certain point in the night. They're going to rope office section of them. Put up a big screen. you go out there. You turn your radio to a certain dial. You stay in your car. You're nice and safe in your air conditioner, or maybe even in your sweet ass retro, Conversion Van and you're watching a movie at the movie theater I think. They're they're going to run into some issues there. Mostly with people trying to be just on the outside of that barrier and not buy tickets to the movie, but because we talked to to most wit about this once. That person that who had land that was like right up next to a drive in theater, and they started doing the FM broadcast the movies, and they would just throw parties at their houses. He's woven movie for free and driving was super pissed about it and try to stop him A. You can't stop somebody from being right on the outside of this law. How many people were just? Pay Just go do it especially with some new movies coming out and. They played on the radio. They use little FM transmitter. Thing that they're not like if you're watching A. Rated R. Movie. Is that only allowed to be played after ten? NO-NO! Oh, that's tough because it's. It's going on the radio, but it's only going very locally. It's a low power, FM transmitter, and it's much like the ones that the. Bigger version of the ones that used to put in your hard to play the CD player play like. If you didn't have cable, you could get your ipod going over the radio and you have to tune into a radio station. Technically, would you be bound to the rules of the SEC? Yeah, but it's not. It's you have to be a big process to complain. Hold on staff. We're a little late when we come back Jimmy. Johns under fire for a video that surfaced this weekend and we're going to hear from you because you're dispatches about all this stuff for already to go, we'll talk about it next. Is The news junkie on real radio. Jared here I than everyone else will catch up in a week or two or four. You're listening to the news jerky. Alone. You are coming up next year dispatching so for the news junkie APP. We'll talk about this Jimmy. Johns story as well boy, and then if you are listening down in West Palm Beach on ninety two point two one real radio down there. We're from a real radio here in Orlando, and we've been a part of the station down there for very long time years and years now. Just yesterday yeah, like reaching out to rat and talking to him and go. Hey, let's let's get the. IDEA. Let's get to the news junkie on the station down there I remember going into his office like probably three or four years ago, and he was a game or four rods. A Guy Love Radio I think that's why I love talking on me. He's like so worked in in different countries. Radio engineering different countries and stuff. Yeah and so we've been stepping in there a lot now. The love doctors are out. There will be back next week, and then we might step in for the Penthouse, and then we'll send you off here at a bit to believe Lex and Terry anchoring out the night. That's where they should put us for God's Sake Rad. I mean make the decision already I. Everybody Demand that the program directors, the people in charge at Real Radio West Palm Beach. The treasure coast put us on every single night on that station. Just demand it and trust me. It will happen it will one hundred percent happen. or I'll get fired for just bring it up to begin with why risk in it I like to I, like to roll the dice otherwise. We're just sitting here being boring, I'm. Boring, no I didn't say you were boring. You're part of what's happening right now. which is kind of exciting risk of my job, too I'm not GonNa, let you get fired. I will take the heat for this, but come on this police on there. I mean I'm down. Every single day will be hanging out with you for now. At least let's enjoy what we have. While you send those emails. Thanks for that. Bridge everybody down there. It's it's awesome for me. Because I have a lot of people who I grew up with, it will go I'll. You on the radio. And this time you weren't Sean J while ninety five John. Jack, this seems like a market update and advancement in your career shot so I say thank you to all of you and over to facebook dot com slash news junkie to follow along with the show. Become. Nothing against him I. Don't hate any radio shows I. Don't hate on these shows. I Love Radio. Student of radio grew up. Listening to radio shows that changed my life like Neil Rogers at a Miami, likewise love Love, love it, and for your for me, Michael Yo whom I don't know I. Don't know if he worked for hard anymore does he doesn't know he was just? My mom reached out to me. I did grow up listening to. Then I saw him years later on fear factor, and that was years ago, still when I was by saw, he just popped up on America's got talent. And my mom's like you have to watch it as such a touching story at anyone through and needed a really great, and now I guess he's going onto the next round. I, just remember it from y one hundred and. Style as not my thing that I've been to. Necessarily I thought that you would have grown up in in Miami with Kenny and footy. Did that was in the morning? My it was in the afternoon. All this stuff that goes back. Up Power Ninety six all. Booty music. What's up, Y'all what's? Guys you. WanNa go up, y'all. It's roll call time. Go ahead and tell us who is on the line. I represent these represent. The everybody says. Ruining my childhood why this is! How worked in you always every once in a while you get somebody like me on there and they go man. This is really cool. Let me give power. Girlfriend. It's A. Good back with her. Thought they played alien ant farm on that Oh. Don't you shut your mouth, but I love West Palm Beach and I. I love Radio, and I love all their stations so we love hanging out with even if it's just too from time to time eventually, we'll work our way and they're. We're like a disease. We are on our radios cove in nineteen, just working our way terrible selling point. Not GonNa Call Myself Marketing. Director, but I feel like I should tell you not and who wouldn't want to listen to his show. Where there's literally about half a dozen ways, they could end their careers during each broadcast that you hear Herbie. She can't get rid of US ever okay well before we get into your dispatch. Let's talk about these idiots. Jimmy, Johns. Here's a couple of things. I want to go over here. This video came out this weekend. I think Sabrina. Thumbnail, and that's all I need to model. There's not there's not a lot to the video. It's like eight seconds or ten seconds long. Did you see their ceiling or now? I haven't seen the thumbnail and I read a little bit about the story, but I haven't watched the video, so this was a Jimmy John's in Georgia making Georgia which have a real radio there as well years and years ago. Night in Macon Georgia very small, small town and Jimmy Johns is open there now. You've rented about this previously. Jimmy Johns Open here yet or no, they did open back up and did okay, but they were closed for months and months and months. Not, even doing delivery, yeah, so Jimmy Johns in Macon Georgia. It's like fourth of July. Weekend you got these idiot kids working there. And they take the bread dough and they may. Make them rendell into a noose. Fritz and they're like tied around. One of those guys next. Do, stupid thing. Oh we're hanging him inside the Jimmy Johns and it's ridiculous and stupid and racist and everything bad that you could you could ever do and. And one of the terrible things is that these people don't have the wherewithal to understand that this is a very bad look for them or don't care that guy. That's a big question life. You're like I'm putting this on social media and. And and the thing that gets me is this. I saw a lot of kickback and reaction to this. Jimmy Johns fired these people almost immediately. They were mean they fired them freaky fast. You did far them freaky fast and they they said here. We've known free smells for you. He said we figured out who they were. We figured out what location was, and we fire the employees immediately. They put out a great statement. Here's here's what. What they're statement was from Monday the action. Seem the video are absolutely unacceptable and do not represent the Jimmy John's brand or the local franchise ownership team. As soon as we were alerted to the video, we notified our Franchisee who quickly investigated at terminated all employees involved. The franchisee has also meeting with their team to conduct training to help. Prevent anything like this from ever happening again. In on they go, and and so I go okay. That's how it should work there they are. Here's your stupid video. Everybody finds these people. Jimmy Johns doesn't like it. Say They don't arrest. Excuse me, but they fire these people for doing this and we all move on with their lives, and when you see people going, we need to boycott. Jimmy Johns now never a Jimmy. Johns again, I always took a two things. I think almost all of you never aided. Jimmy Johns to begin with you not Jimmy. Johns fans number one customers, and now because of this, you're not going back anymore. There's something to this fact when there's a controversial story where people like acid I'm never eating displays again. This is the third time. Mind you this one being the most egregious and like actual Jimmy Johns News. People attached to it, but before this it was the store that goes viral at least once a year of someone who? Thought that they wrote Bitch. its. Bill! Cheese and then the other one was Jimmy Johns. HIMSELF NAKED humping dead. Look. Here's the thing. Believe I've been photo shopped on that. Sure from every time you call, it's the best call. Find Fault with corporations. If you want to. I don't know where you're gonNA find that. Because almost all corporations are bending over backwards right now to be as woke as they could possibly be, but find. Fall was corporations if you want to. Donate a Jimmy Johns if you want to. But where exactly do you find fault with Jimmy Johns. Do you think that they were responsible for the employees behaving like this? Do you think that in the employee training? Like Hey, if on a whim you want to tie a news. Here's how you do it. Here's how to make bread here's. Out. This is the only thing you should make this deal they they had a lot of employees. And when you have a lot of employees, employees are going to be any it's effect. A lot of them are going to be idiots, another idiots with phones, and that's the problem, and then they then become more than just idiots with phones. They become representative for that company, and when there are representative for that company to go now. We're GONNA boycott the company. You don't know who owns this place. You don't know who they are this. This is just immediate. You call them out. They get the fired from their job. And you move on with your life. You don't have to blame Jimmy John. It's like the same discussion we have every time. An Uber driver gets arrested for something agreed sure, and it's like you know. UBER is a worldwide company with hundreds of thousands, maybe not hundreds, but thousands and thousands of drivers are all private contractors for this business, and unfortunately, when one of them turns out to be some sort of pervert or creeper, no good guy. The headline is going to say Uber other. Uber driver. It's going to say that the CEO is also one of those big game. Trophy hunters he he kills. Of where the see over the CEO. Put Jimmy Johns. Go after Mr, Jimmy John for that, but to go look at this. This is an example of a problem with Jimmy John. When you own a company that big and you have so many employees. It's impossible to keep them all on our. We're a little behind. Let's take a quick break. We'll come back with a final dispatches stories that didn't make the cut and today our to wrap everything up for a Tuesday news junkie on real radio. Please grow seven, nine, one, six, one, four, one real radio, one or four point one square. 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They're all billionaires. I mean come on more than ever kicking them for another. Thank you so much, appreciate it. We'll be back tomorrow right here on real radio with another show and you can stay right where you are. If you're here in Orlando the gym, Khawaja's coming up next fall by corporate time of Tom and Dan. Was! The power of. The, world.

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