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SEXTING ISNT CONSENT - Sathyvelu Kunashegaran | #ManTools Podcast #85

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SEXTING ISNT CONSENT - Sathyvelu Kunashegaran | #ManTools Podcast #85

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Yeah, yeah looking at dogs. Looking at Doggies so we had an interesting morning. On the other end of this whole thing today. I did an interview. Mountain country one, seven, three, It's all you post that I missed the I got the APP and started streaming it just in time to hear. Some kind of country music you. Anyway dierks Bentley or something. I don't know. By. Request let's just fine. Yeah. Go Down in flames or whatever that has Jenkins anyway that was an interesting thing being interviewed on the radio loan. Being on the other end of the microphone as it were. Those real interesting. So I had a good time over there. They're super nice in their places. Really. Cool. I mean. It's not as cool as our garage behind this but. As a pre bunks? Yes bunker. Yes. It's a bunker Onkar I should maybe get rid of that aero showing which way to go the garage tanking look more like a bunker. Something we our Leland something. Yeah. 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He hosts a podcast college one man's opinion And I recorded an episode On their show a while back a couple of weeks back. I don't think it's hit yet I've been looking. For the I'm a narcissist. When when I appear on something Out Yet. But I am not going to try to pronounce his gentleman's name I'm GonNa. Let him do that and I'm going to bring him in in Put him up on the screen as long as all of the text of correctly Z. we're Americans and we can't up Figure out. Paulie syllables. That's right we. We're GONNA see are you there my friend? That on. Ramey. All right. Hello. Hello. Okay okay then. It's probably super ticked off at us for. Making, get out of bed sorely morning We'll. Champion twosome preferences year nine, everything should be. I guys. Take to on the microphones tonight. Can you hear me hang on we're pushing the button and trying to figure out on the fly buttons or Toys Right? That's right. Like a real. Folks almost almost. Here. Yeah I'm not sure. All right Oh Kista, she can hear the guest. Really. Yeah. Come on Trevor K. Ziana channels somewhere. It says. Monitoring is the box we. Try. Something else. Men toback. Hello. Can you hear us? Yeah aimed is. Out. There we go. There we go. You've got you. So as I was saying we're dumb Americans so we can't pronounce your name. So we were GonNa you you pronounce it. Yeah I don't think it's just because you guys are Americans anything. No, one can pronounce my name. If long Indian name the full form. It is Saturday Luke Kuhn unshaken. But normally, people just call me by the initials which is s and so escape. Okay. We can handle that we can do. Sativa Lou. Yeah. Yes. You almost there almost there almost. Yeah. But by what it meant, even like my friends told me for like two three years sometimes they don't know the second part of my name. Yeah, I feel you. A lot of confidence in their. Well you. You got in touch with us about I. went on your podcast What was it two weeks ago I think some like that Nelson, through that whole weeks ago innocent posted you. Know. In the process of actually editing it you're almost done with it probably will pose first week next month. Okay. No Rush I'm not trying to rush it but I I I was gonNA say you. You wanted to talk on our show about the me too movement. in particular is what you're You know we we put out a little form for people to fill out the wannabe guests And it's interesting that you WanNa, talk about that. Now, because one of the news stories that we kind of have lined up is about how The in England. They are I. Don't know if it's quite a. Change in their law or if it's like a change in your digital policy. But they don't want. Sexist. Sex text messages to be. Uses evidence for proving consent on the part of. Rape. accused. Rape defendants. Yeah, I. Don't know if you've heard about that but that's a very interesting Conceivably under that policy you know a woman could could send a text message to a man saying and want you to come. You know do dirty things to me right now and you can't turn around and say, well, look, she wanted this. That was consent. Interesting right. I understand why did he bet I? Think it benefits from both the sites because you see when you have a somewhat things electronially, there's always prove somewhere. Right and normally people investigating. That's the first thing that you to because. I check. Somebody's four wounded in shorts and all that. Went. Snapchat came into the market right snapchat was so popular because there was no proven and if somebody takes skin shot or whatever you could see it right. But what's been happening nowadays? Especially, if you check a What's The guy's name? Hobby Weinstein I. J. You know you see these females actually like xm like all like, yeah. I enjoyed it and all of these kinds of stuff but the court completely dismissed it. The reason why is because also a claimed that? These females the big bet because they had no adoptions. Like, they don't WanNa, make it seem like. What like if they do if they didn't want to do that probably they won't get the job and all of that right. But he site what they claimed expect these proofs that like emails were actually interested in he I always say that the only reason why are. Ended up getting. All. The punishments, sentencing and all of that right? Because it's ugly literally like he sees her only would I can prove that right people. So yeah, I can see that happening. Right but. I think because of these kinds of things but. The car or justice system, they are trying to make sure that the. Kind of proves do not end up being used. And also at the same time, you can also trap someone you know what? I. Mean Like while you are raping them all obviously ask someone to take the phone and the next to you all this kind of stuff but there might not be true form address. Yes sure. That's I can he benefit from what the sites? Yeah I mean that would be one of the weirdest things going through my mind if you're right in the middle on act of violence. On a second. You're going to send this tax right now or based on this. But what are the things that I think about? It's like you know when you actually end that Burmese meeting someone who so What they call like a like a VIP position as a went who not probably won't allow you in your phone. So. Probably given body or something that all of these right? Yeah and I especially nowadays they don't they don't want you. Even. If everything's fine, you don't want you documenting. India's. The other stuff deal. Yeah Yeah. I could good point. Yeah and also like. most of the time people can actually let's say if you break NBA need to pay like say five million. But if you're the cases big enough, maybe the lawyers will say I will pay five million break the right yeah. Right I'm GonNa get you ten so. Yeah. So. It's a lot of these kind of very what they call Viet sleazy shortcuts that you have. That's making all of us confused all the time like we do not know what decide what is wrong. Randy like matter yeah. Well but. I guess back to the text message you know as as proof of consent. I think instead of a blanket policy though that should be a case. By case I, mean if if the accuser can prove some kind of duress, I, think that's a different story. Yeah. Than if nothing if there's no other evidence besides the text message saying you know come over and do this thing to me, and then I came over into that thing to. What was it three? Three months ago we had the story about the cabdriver who the woman went out drinking all night, and then got busy with some dude in the alley and then try to blame it on the cabdriver and he used his cell phone. Diana? was like he was. Guy He was he had a fair and he was across town the Uber App showed that he was nowhere near this happened he did pick her up, dropped her off at another bar said she was out. Yeah. So That when I. If you ask me, I, think this is A. Situation where Either but he's not in us right either the UK right? Yes. That story was also in the UK which I find dubious that now the British prosecution guidelines are being. Revised Yeah. Because that exonerated that Uber driver. Yeah I think if you use it to show that you you missing. In, a way that but not to prove it as consent it might work if you know what I mean, it's a completely different. I. mean the thing the either one to show that that percent consented to right. The one situation is I wasn't there wasn't even there the other situation she wanted. which is yeah, it's different. It's nuanced is new, and also like you know the UK and US I, guess this system, right? They have different systems that you guys have Jewish they don't. Right so if the judge probing out that particular proof as cannot like you know some problems with the proof, keep disapproving the proof band if they have like a hundred out of. Say Two hundred fifty cases where? Those kind of bruce cannot be used then it makes sense that make it. A loss of people won't even try. that. Ways the cost. In Malaysia so well. Yeah something like that because. That's what happens with Malaysia as well because we follow the U. K. system. So, if you don't have duty to convince and change with almost people's mind is one guy with judge and he's just listening. So normally they see a lot of precedents being said that he previous dodgers and who. Have followed that particular steps than they have to follow it. They they wanna changing that will involve a lot of different delegation. Interesting. Yeah. So it could be a lot picks the things. But I can also see beef, we do protect meals Italy bellio through. How it? How do you think it would protect males 'cause 'cause I'm coming from a position. That most. People accused of rape or males. And that this this idea that you know being able to pull up tax measures that say, well, no, I was asked to come over here and do this thing. happening. That it would that it would point to exonerating males. Right So the if the person can approve concentric, that's one we think about it but then. Like when you look at it in perspective where somebody gets targeted and then the person actually what they call Say I'll give you another example. Let's say I'm working with someone. And I suppose to send something to my wife but then I ended up sending it to a coworker with a few meal. Okay. Bye Now. Now although I did that and she comes say something else, I can actually use these to say that these reality shows accidentally said. Yeah well, I mean that's How many times do you send? La Times you send Dick pics to your co workers your wife. That's that's the thing narrow by but I'm just saying that. It kinda protects both sides but I can understand where you guys are coming from a swell which these are very sleazy. Space to discuss. I sound my drummer from. If Twelve fifteen years ago some kisses and it went to him instead of my. Lady at the time. And fifteen years later, we're still sending each other kiss. Every. Man He's like, oh hey, bro, how you doing history By but you know many comes but male to male candidates. Bro To bro, it's it's okay to do all these. But then sometimes you know how females I mean disclaimer I'm not targeting anyone but they didn't say females site normally everything is good until they don't like you everything have used as. Very tuition like a complete flip right instead you did when he's good end up being back. Up Let's say. You by someone every day example example I'm not talking to anyone I'm just I'm just willing examples overhead right Someone every day. Right and that's no complaints at all and then something happens they don't like anymore and then and then you still drive them. But now complain about how fast you drive how callous you I Go, you don't enjoy a company. So this very small example, but then I can give me more examples of babies. See how things can flip they'll all be the same. It's A. It's it's It's it's the difference between men and women. You know it's it's a fundamental difference. It's an archetype of doing the personalities of of men. Women. that. We're like, okay. Well, we're going with the flow everything's groovy everything's groovy and we said something at some point six weeks ago. And now, they don't. Now we're no longer on the sexual or physical interest radar and now everything annoys them. Right. Yeah. Yeah. But but I, also think that like solution already Weiss bad most time bales. If you don't like something, we kind kinda use of physical strength or physical ways to show it. Sure. Then females kind after many late using emotional levels who kinda comeback guys because he Comes at me nine hundred and times I'm probably GONNA win the fight I mean I'm not saying go again by known although the semi to. Good. Yeah. They just have their own tools men men react with physical violence and of physicality, or you'll violent tendencies. That's just how we react to. That kind of stimulation women work with different tools they work with you know a verbal and I personally and You'll they attacked character there they used the it's different tool. Now again, we're not saying this is always we always work with eighty twenty rule. You know eighty percent dude there's twenty percent don't but. It is by enlarge men react physically and have a aggressively in the way women. Tend to act aggressive they're not gonNA, come up punched in the face they're gonNa Talk Shit about you and Nag on. The aggravated. Yeah exactly. So do you think that way ben it doesn't make sense for a Guy Kinda go and flip staff. It's very good because you're not willing to do that. But then for a female that's like a de facto way to think about things like thinks that was ok before these get annoying. Leave us. Again that's not. Just US pulling you know should out of the air this is their studies been done on this. So. You know this is this is what the documentation says. Yes We that fade right. I've seen some very weird guys who can also do this and do it better than goes I've seen so very very guys who can actually like you know Figured out like Oh these these these these these. But then they won't say like six months after and you'll be like Bro I don't even remember saying this. Right. So like you like eighty twenty principles, kind of the guys loose off like this but most of don't bother with things like this. Yeah that would be an a bit of an outlier I think. That's that's more. That's more a female trade. To. Remember six months ago. That's Really great truck today was It was all pink and it was it was. Nancy's plumbers all female plumbers and I'm like that. That's probably good because chicks like bringing bullshit. For your letters. He's on me the finger. Yeah. I'm I'm actually pretty shocked. I want to add to what just stopped about right but I see younger kids nowadays but somebody was about fifteen to twenty three maybe that drenched you'll see that there are more likely to actually get violent but do the very like. I will go figure out what you did it out. Figure out that you did what I was. Trying, to sell you because the at nine crime who confront before face like. Yeah. Yeah like kids nowadays, right. The I get to stay like I will cancel you in. I'm not like a software or something like just had gone I know what I'm. Kinda right. So they are not private like who actually keep your point that I'm going to confront you and then I'm going to figure out what what is wrong and we're GONNA. Be. One conversion here. So if you look at people, you're younger and you talk to them, they will say things like, Aleksei, you talked to somebody say I talked to somebody who feel? I don't like these guys. So I'm going to go figure out what he does all night everything. And then I'm GonNa try to do something that's going to embarrass him and I'm likes yeah that's that's like super super weak my like my hate that doesn't make sense because you want to spend what I was researching someone. When he supposed to be doing something else. So yeah. So like now when we are talking because we are not in bad generalization where we should canceled someone. So like we don't relate to that. But then if you talk the younger people, you'll see that the to act the same way because a lot of violence nowadays is not cool life at a guy your waylon. People don't your school anymore right. So most guys are Betty Betty. Tax Night phone. That's not the modern tough guy. The modern tough guy is the guy that can find me sleep dirt. Immoral the modern tough guy social justice worldview like idolizes females don't touch nor do any of that, and then he's just like you know. Super Hipster we'd like had I doubt that that's like the one guy who can go on keyboard and canceled someone. That makes me sad. Well, here's here's the flip side of that. The Guy who's getting canceled is also a bitch because he's he's Old. Embarrassed about my proclivities I'm not. Find all my skeletons thrown out there. I'll be like Yup. A fucked up sometimes guess what go again. I'M GONNA fuck up again at some point is going to happen. So. That's what happened with Kevin Hart like you know the situation with. Scott's. I while I kind of. Are you talking about The almost sexual kind of job bed abby joke that he put out a bitter and then they found about it like Levin years after that. Yeah, he said He. Found out. My son was gay forget what he said he would do but something fucked up. Yeah. Allow, hedy more something like that. You'll those line there was a punchline. It was a joke. It was clearly a joke Yeah, and it was when he when he when he was put up to possibly the Oscars I believe it was it suddenly became a thing and it was like ten years before. That right he was is main dreamlike. You see like comedy and South leatherback you always say that every single comedy legend getting. All. Ask Us and you said what I do that I know I've reached a dog and I'll be right. The more money goes to nouns the same day it was announced and everything suddenly became an issue all although he already apologize for like eight years ago. Any order believed to the tweet everything. So they kind of brought up who? Kind of be like, Oh, I, don't like you and I'm going to get you. And I mean. 'cause that's week sauce because Kim hearts a little dude, you could beat them up. Easy. We'll see half the here's what I don't get. He have really flipped that men like us because on black isn't it? Yeah and just any didn't I mean I'm not saying you should race card in that but you could very quickly go. Oh, you're you're all racist? But he didn't. Like if you want to do that because I, I of understand the moment he played the blackout and then it will become another thing where you have to like maybe at your people use that hope because nowadays. It also becomes a well, you're not hosting just because you're talented is because you're black. You know if if you if you pull that card elated becomes a Oh, you're an equal opportunity higher kind of mounting fight. Yeah. I can see what he did was quite a quite a what do you call? admiriable. Because he said, you don't drop me I drop my South Queen. That yeah. Class. And and they had not much time to replace him. So that year they did not have any host. Right yeah we. Eared but. They didn't want they want us to wait wait. No. No, we fired Kevin Hart for things much less bad than as. Keys is awesome. She says No it is funny. 'cause I dated a chick will instance she drags up shell all the time the. Truth. And also she also points out that she's not the average checks she confronts things at on. and deals with it and moves on. yes. That would not be the average chick. One of our listeners in the Sacramento. Right guys are live streaming. Yes. Right. L. Your wondering if you guys have had like an audience in front of you guys and I was thinking very, who's these no. That would be cool. I. Pretty Rad we we've had live audiences before just you know several people in here and It it is a different It is a different show. It is a different show on. But Rhona. The clam it's been crazy. Can people around but. But in line with what we're talking about right. I, also think that. People, Kinda date canceling others like sports now nowadays like you know what I mean like. The put so much effort into real people developing certain kinds of fitness for it. meaning that some people are so good in Catalina maybe they have a database of these are the two other things that we took people over then ran through the database it like whoever they want to cancel indicate figured out how to cancel someone. Like. There's always ways to cancel some more like you know not to say canceled for more but there's always used to figure out something that someone did wrong. Right and then I guess I guess the the game is whether or not that's enough to get them. Turned into persona non grata. Some. which is how sad is that? I think that's tragic like. Your Life's work. You know if if I'll even like the guys were Ray Romano Everybody Hates, Raymond Ray Romano up if somebody. Threw some shade on him? That would suck that his whole life's work goes down the toilet, those years of television writing and producing stage comedy in everything he did while there's a real life example we see K. Yup Oh my God I don't understand why people can say Louis CK did anything wrong because he asked for permission before the. Yeah. Every every time eating not. Did Not lock them in the room now no every time he was like look I'm GonNa pull my penis out and play with it whoever's coup with ECHO and? Whoever does that leave. Even Sarah Silverman who is a big like. Leftist. Weirdo Aina. Jumps on board with a lot of this cancel type stuff. was like Louis you know I thought it would be funny. It was funny. Whatever that means you know. But I think the mistake was he apologized for it so much. Yes. Canfield south. There's A. Louis CK I will just figured out how to make a whole special or just about these kind of things. It will. Be that would be one approach I would I would say this. Anyone that finds themselves in that position the number one thing is don't apologize at all. Don't if you can. If you can don't even acknowledge that they're accusing you were or or trying to cancel, you just s static. It's you know you go radio silence for like three months. Yeah and then when do think bill collectors yet? But I think what happened was Louis CK right? He was such a big push located. That he had a huge not by this team is fluid like those are people like into social justice in apologizing and all this kinda stuff they're not prepped to like handle that kind of situation. So when that happened only thing was like, yeah politics for sure that you care show that you really like you know did not mean anything bad. Because now everyone is like, yeah, WE ARE GETTING CLEVELAND. Go. Her well and and the you can see proof of the. The idea that capitulation doesn't work or then it's then it's never enough with the. And that not apologizing right approach. I don't know if you saw. A while back, there was a a situation where some black lives matter rioters. I'm not going to call them protesters when they get to the point that they got to They came into like an outdoor restaurant and we're demanding people hold up their fists and say. Black. Lives matter. Well all the people that did that so. Well Oh, everybody that that that went along with what they wanted. That wasn't good enough and the one guy who was like, no fuck you we're not doing that. they moved on and left him alone because they weren't going to get a response from him So I. Think that's part of it is that they WANNA response that's all it is, and if you Either give them zero response or clearly not the response that they think is appropriate they. find another target it seems. They move on because well. Look at look at it. In nature you know the the the opportunist predators are going to. You. Know if you're if you're limping around, they're all going to come get you all a cow diesel just right. Come tackle you but if you're still kicking. Even, the lions are like. I don't know man I want you in the face. So. It's It's it's a thing. It's our works. Yeah but even if you look at Heathrow relationships that like on the other side right so these. People were Wa actually just doing their own things and other people want them to follow. But then if you look at it, the other way that people were actually Let's see those people who actually protesting and then there is a subset of Bam. We're actually during the rioting but then that's another set outside of these do not even protesting digits Righty, right? Sure. Yeah. They don't. They don't have the They don't have the ideal at all. They just WANNA. GO THEY WANNA do steal stuff. Will we? Yes one of our other guests few weeks backs, Steve. Huckabee, we talked about drift. We talked about the fact that when a a great cause doesn't any great 'cause comes to fruition. that. You know assholes join up and drift away from the original intent of the mission and turn it convoluted dilute it. Make it into something it's completely not. and. That's right and the shitty fact is that's what gets seen on the news. That's what gets covered. Is that twenty percent of assholes. Doing Asshole Shit. Yeah. That's that's because they're sexier. Vote the new starting to pick up and talk about it sells more talk about. You don't want to talk about peaceful protesting and all that because it's just like a bunch of people walking in. Yeah. Right I mean I mean it's awesome by its own but then he was not as awesome that you WANNA put it. It's like the first news split speech whatever. Well, it's not a story, right? That's just a a regular day. That's shit that have every everybody got. Cool cool. I I kinda like the Internet on his just cats, cat videos and porn I really miss those days. My space we did find a cool band. But did you guys follow what happened? Chris, Leah Yeah, I have I I. DO I DABBLE IN STAND UP COMEDY? So yes, I've awesome attention to that. Evenly got into a situation where people say that he's he likes to engage. Okay allegedly, he likes to engage top two minor. people are my in like. Eighteen years. That became a big story, and then he had proof that she did not know what the age. While he had that. He at least had proof that the only the only alleged. Victim and this was smart on his part. He just released all of his text messages. He was like look at all is. But when he did that the only one that said their age and said that they were underage, he was like cool I'm not talking to you anymore and that was where the messages ended. which but he's you know it was one of those things where again it's not enough. He never I don't know that he ever apologized because he he just did the cool. You WanNa see these messages. so He'd end Bala. Death. He did apologize. I was I was waiting for him to fuck up and apologize by but then he never need I guess yes, that's. Just your yeah because then they come after you. Yeah. So for everybody joining in with US man tools media here with S.. K. and from the one man's opinion podcast and were chatting a little bit about the welp sort of to some canceled cultures can't use starters you want to get in on that. jump in our chat thread or a watch party or trevorrow throw up the phone number on the screen here real quick. Yeah we can. You guys can actually call into the show. and. Chitty chat with us, putting your five cents because two cents is watching this right Employees. egg-laying to tour and I want to discuss something that that you might. You guys might have an interesting opinion. So you guys know who is channel sandbag right facebook she like one of those females when he pro into. Getting females into technology and all that. kind of kind of yeah. Yeah she's like a second to macaca bucket facebook, right? So she's talented and all that but I saw him debut evenly that she did. It. Bay she said that Bitten a corporate kind and vitamin managers or senior managers who? Were meals are more likely to have a one on one meeting or dinner another meal compared to females. Yes. All right and I'm like that makes a lot feds because of the movement like I And, and that's one of the things that I always think about because like you know sometimes you want to have like, let's say you have a female is working for you really know is going to be successor, which means like when you move up that with sexual, take your old right you already know that you need to mentor explicit. Ben? Nowadays. If you do anything that people assumed that dodgy or people assume that having all the time together, oh this happened happening between them all this kind of stuff right? Then that could become another problem in dry out you you have to keep the The persona really well, you you have to do it. You have to do. It's basically reputation protectionists not even me to you know it's GonNa keep this all in level I. Think I'll get to this in a second, but I think it's the reason why the open floor plan offices are going into effect. So heavily especially in the tech world. Oh it's just cooler. No, it's actually really sucks like I've I've seen the big offices in Cupertino San Jose. I lived there for while I've seen the big offices and they're all open floor and it's all glass and you can see everything will there's a reason because the thing is like like I I live in a in a culture where you have to have private conversations but you can't do it behind closed doors. So trump and I need to have a conversation. We don't want anybody to hear it. You know we're in a group of people or something like that. We can go off to the side on the parking lot be in full visible sight of everyone. And have a private conversation right and then no, one can say, Oh, well, you know they're fool around in the back covered or whenever. that. Needs to happen. I think that just that's a reputation saver like I learned that crap along time ago. Working with women having female bosses having the boss, bring you into the office, and then you know this was like college for me. When you know you have female boss call you to Yao, because I fucked up a lot in college came up. To work drunk all the time this is happening. So. they'd have to call me reprimand me or whatever, and then hr get involved in because somebody's like, oh, the you'll Erickson her office like for an hour every day not having any fun getting my ass chewed and it's not also there's There's a lot of it goes both ways you know I i. think. In this day and age. You can have a private conversation and have have a decent mentoring situation without any innuendo or of slanted. Things shade getting thrown at you. I think people just. Lack common sense or the appropriateness. Well, what was what was strange? Is I don't know if you remember when trump I got elected. the vice president pence. I will never have a one on one dinner with a female. Colleague right something to that effect. I will never be in a position where I'm one on one with a female who works here I left his wife he said out or something right something like that and everybody went oh, sexist in it's like I immediately was like no no I get it cover near. It's a Cya Cya. Yes so like you see when it comes to the corporate culture night is not only because men to want to mental these people all these. These are just like the oft defect of all these things happening so that you just want to protect yourself in number one and number two is gave the Pacific Guy. Because you just be able to go have a drink at Dhaka body until late night even one o'clock. Yes Right. And a lot of times when it comes to like Yeah. So like I have been talking to leaders within like. The the business leaders consolidation. All right. This is a very, very big concern because you see us people are not very bothered by gossips and all that like although they are but it's not as bad as like how indecent Southeast Asia where people get bothered a lot if. You are. You're mentoring someone who spent five and other people might docked in about it like you know they might might. At eight like sense like Oh, this girl is just talking to this guy to get a promotion and whatnot and everything, and that could be a big impact because everyone will talk about it wall and it can. It can become a big thing in in South Asia compared to life what's happening in us, and UK and all this because I worked with people from their slow so I can see like how the impact we will see it. Even if you have to. Dance China's Salida right not easy for you to do all that because people will view it differently. Well I think. You gotTA understand. To. The United States is fucking huge. Like I'd. Still slow like the state like I two shits will another state is doing. Culturally because my state does this, it's it's just it's so vast like I don't get. I don't get to see all of the micro cultures that happen all over the just the United States. and our our mainstream media is not a valid example of of American culture whatsoever right having traveled this country extensively. And lived in other parts of this country. I can say that in the tech world. In San Francisco South Bay and even to some extent some of the hippy dippy shit that goes down like Venice beach you know that kind of. A lot of stuff in California. Those people rely on reputation. So what you're talking about translates to that. Part of our country, very very well that I've noticed. Texas yet so much nobody gives a shit talk show knocking your unite and I think that's where you're hitting on had. It was. It was media outlets that had that went. Oh, that's not feminists rights. For. Pence. To say I'm not going to have dinner with a female colleague without my wife there Wherever. Every other married man. who was a professional of any kind was like no no. That makes perfect sense like that's a great idea a great idea. 'cause then there is zero question also, you're not coming home like even if even if you're not in a in the public eye where where the media can get a hold of o pence at dinner with so and so there. Even, if that's not the case, I don't WanNa come home and have my wife Go. So how has dinner with? Genitalia that's not something I wanna do not that my wife is a type that would do that. Really is what? you. You don't want even the supposition or accusation that maybe something wish she went on we as adults play this game as called, avoid the hassle. It's The rules are very simple. US have to follow all the time. Look if you don't want if you don't want to catch shit, you don't start shit just it's super simple I would never put myself. In a situation where I have a female employees that I show any kind of favouritism to. And that's where this whole. This is where Metoo Kinda got screwed up because now. Like I'll take the boys out whatever like I'll I'll go out with Trevor Zakar, whoever just WANNA one no. Problem Thirty, five female employees. It's everybody. Right, it's it's all of us a neutral location or none of us like we're not going. I don't want any storing shade. Net. It's too risky nowadays. Yeah. So like what do you think is the solution for these alice ask these two people just to see what they think. Meaning solution as a whole, not just for meals, right? Like not to protect ourselves but I'm talking like what is. And what what do you mean by the solution the solution to the problem of Metoo or the solution to the problem of taking women out to dinner. In for the yeah. So the solution to actually doing the one, one, one and everything. y you're working with someone say you have no batting? Will well, apparently, we can't Texas consent anymore. So. I can't really hey can you text me and say it's cool to dinner Oh, by the way. Cool that I hold the door for you even though we're not dating key text me to say. I have consent to pay the bill even though we're not GonNa get my Dick Sucked. Later, we please have a text message that says. Well, that isn't GonNa work I think It is. It is a strange thing I think in a professional setting. What you have to have our glass doors. If you're talking about an office So yeah, maybe nobody here's what you're saying but they can see openly that you're not touching them. You're not You know physically engaged in anywhere right? Yeah. But you see most of the time when you're working night, you're not. You're not like so both free you're. Detroit the day until you drew eight to five twelve, you'll probably really busy night. Normally, this kind of mentoring what happens after five. Yeah, we cannot. I don't. Corporate World Assuming was, what were we really get into trouble with now even Even if you take like the tech startups and cooperates and all these normally quite busy from eight to five. Guys WanNa really. UTECH August. Hung out with you. All you're happy has a raging alcoholics. Yea. That's where all those socializing happens is at the happy hours after work. which gets you into trouble because of the whole. And you lose a little bit of. Inhibitions there well, crack the the solution it comes to mind. With that taken into account is. which which I know productive people don't like to hear this but I would add a strict. Once with work. That's it. We're not talking about work stuff. For having a beer, we're having a beer everyone's going to be around. So there's not going to be any. you know if I'm GonNa take you under my wing kind of thing that's happening you should have. Made time to come to me if I'm a supervisory type right and made that happen during the workday. I don't you know I don't see. I don't see many other options now. With The kind of more you know less office oriented you know maintenance type style construction whatever that becomes a little different does because the job is the job but the the running of the business if you're grooming like he was saying if you're grooming someone to take over that is after hours right or intermittently we have a like recently right I was talking to a friend Saudi continue. We have a common for California things can't be WANNA one. You have to have someone be with ice or moderator. Yeah by the let me can. She said situation. Yeah. I'll give an example exactly what happened my friend right and he explained the situation and why did this to make things so I can understand like what I put. So my friend, he initial travel with esteem or like people were like because he does like trainings and at the same time you do like events and all this kind of stuff. So they do like Corporate training for companies and all these. So when they do travel, he preferred to a higher wall meals because when they travel most of the time, you're GONNA be like a wave, your team we longer. So normally when it comes to the females right when you're traveling nor choice and you're going to be around that person for like I don't know but he also like fifteen hours usually. And it becomes kind of weird because if let's say you guys go out drink and whatnot and then if let's be Kinda. Do something like the advanced to you or this is something that's like you know the Broncos not and the guy then if you best something weird though only here for Dui, asleep probably like. Push into the Guide and Brian Back to the hotel at all but they defeat the female. You can any of these because the next day it could be integrated something us. So, what we're, we're dancing around here with this me too thing. Is that there is now this huge fear. And a backlash on hiring policies because of while, and particularly on the part of men who were in some kind of position of being charged yet. To Women the other thing I think that can be useful is let's take advantage of technology we've seen. Firsthand I, don't know if you remember kind of win. A, lot of this recent police brutality stuff kicked off. There was a huge demand on a kind of an anti police demand for What do they call those? The kill the body. Cams Body Cams. And then when the body cams started basically. I'm making I'm speaking with the large brush. Yes. Generally. Those Body Cam started proving that the police weren't doing anything. Wrong. They were being there. There is what they were doing. They weren't doing anything illegal it became. Oh now the camera problem Elliott defunding gotta go. So. It's like everybody wants. Both ways the potential solution I guess to to avoiding the me too thing. If you want to have. Generally. The same kind of corporate or office environment. But I think is you get one of those pens also a camera you tuck it in your pocket, your shirt pocket. It sees everything that goes on If you're worried about an now now, if there's a situation with like indy as or security clearances, you don't use it. When you're actually in the office, you save it for the after hours thing or nineteen eighty-four. Smacks really bad of Georgia or Wilbur, but I'm just saying, no, you go ahead. You make the you document everything that's happening. So that then if you get accused of anything, you have the evidence to go. That is not what happened. Here's time stamp. Eight A. B. where she says that this happened. And here is clearly evidence of me We had a beer we talked about A. B. and C., and then you can see me get into a newborn and go home I don't know happen after that. It's that again. Here we are. We're. Men In positions of Authority or I wouldn't call it power per se were just. Because realistically, let's talk about owning a business. You're not the one in power. You're just want the most work. It's just more work to you. It's not power of just I got more to do. You're the one who's nauseating paid for your the One? WHO'S GONNA lose money if things don't work out. Yeah I'm the one. Yeah exactly. So I, don't understand why people want want plots power and shit. It doesn't. That's not what a title is. A title is more work right? Sometimes you get paid more that'd be great for doing more when when things were out yeah that works out well but. Here we are more thing on the list of worries. Why more than you here? No, I'm just kidding. That's exactly right. None of us make any money. Yet, but one of the things that I also think about. I was speaking to. The brother of one of my friend and he mentioned that how are. New St. Issue Esteem like if let's say you go back home the girl and border drunk and do whatever you do and then. The next morning, if the girl decides that she want to call it rape, she can and the university will booed take action against you. Yes an olive first actions that is becoming the case. Yeah. No, the union with the actually told him that will be the case like. An ecology. A source in many of those like. And you know the like they don't have any Jewish or nothing like that. It's just a you know and Kinda decide Louis. But the the flip is so I have. I have an interesting opinion year when it comes to universities that that have this issue. I agree that it's a problem that they don't have any due process as we would call it here in the US. the flip though is at least from what I understand these university courts. Can't do anything you accept expel you? That's a big deal problem. You lose you lose your scholarship veterans but there is a there's an impression that's given particularly on the part of men's rights activists. Those are three really bad word that. Yes. that. These colleges are acting like courts and sentencing people to something. It's not like they're they're being put in prison or you know yeah the if they're getting your future is being changed and it's it's I'm sure at the moment when you're a twenty year old kid and you're not in college anymore, that's a huge I'm not trying to minimize that. But some of the impression that's being put forward is that is the same as being put in jail or sent to prison or that they have the authority to do that in some way. Yeah. To do something beyond just take you out of school. Now. Again, the flip is I agree. If they're going to even go through the motions of acting like a fucking court. Let's at least pretend like we do due process and follow some constitutional. Or or you know common law type of? Procedures. Reading that long their universities not designed to do that. So they kinda like ward any what you call public. Relations problems like you know they wanna control any damage essay. Right, which is why like is apparently like the unity counselor who not Tolbert people in the university that that Swat scrap so like Like you know like this, not even like any consideration or whatnot. And I was I was so shocked or to hear what emails like. So flexi something happens. Like, for example, right? Like you go with the girl and then you see something and you don't like it if you. Read, the Goldfields offended, and she can kind of make it into like a rape the next day where he didn't do anything. But let's say you just leave because you saw something and something when you just left. As she can rejection kind of flip your view. In my hand, I can feel like so many ways a decent Goran. And I is babies happening I. Saw Firsthand I was I was in the United States army and luckily we had roommates. luckily for the my roommate. Because the situation went down where him he he and a female I don't know what they thought. I wasn't gone. So I don't know and I clearly wasn't gone. It was one of those situations where like they knew I was there at least initially and I don't know if they just like forgot that I was there but things started happening but your journey you know or. And they never they never were like, Hey, can you leave? But things started happening And the next day she accused him. Of It not being consensual and I guess forgot that I was there like just a wall locker in a bed over. Pretending to sleep or trying to you know like. All right. Cool. Good for you buddy and I saved I completely save his ass because the investigators came and we're like, what happened here on Lake with fuck you guys talking about well so and so says that your roommate reporter and I'm like Nope I was here all night and that definitely didn't happen. So we've another comment. About in the work environment women were in this. Case this is the case women work in a male dominated environment all the time they're traveling working together sixteen twenty hours a day. Now I think she's going back to your S K your friend who said that he does the training and travels all over And I just want to yeah there's the again it's that whole eighty twenty thing there's. Because will we talk what we're trying to say about backlash is that there are people out there now that are. Because of what we've been inundated with. With the news and with all accusations. There are people now make him a probably and I'm making hard decisions to say, well, this woman is way more qualified in this dude but I don't want her any women because I don't WanNa be accused. We're not talking about just this country. There's their countries have different labor laws all over the all over the place but this movement is causing that to happen and it does suck. We agree with you keys that's that sucks and is ridiculous. It's actually the person hiring to because it's like damn. It could have the better person for the job but. You know now the boss is like there's kind of kind of a I'm not going down like that. Yeah. So yeah, I said it's being were we were all being put in very. Tenuous. Situations. Yeah, then that's another situation that happened with another colleague of mine would used to look at that. Now, it's up another company he works I. Wish is crazy. So one of the female colleagues under under his team she took a three months off for maternity leave, right? Okay and and she came back she received a debate for the holidays holidays stone of the leaf, and then paid also another one more after that. So daughter for months right and. When she came Back Bay be actually You know when it comes to the year end bonus, they gave like lower bonus compared to all the people in poverty. She complained against him saying baby back because she sexist. But. If inking behind it was that, okay. You worked eight months of our out months right? Right and I saw what he did eight months and somebody who twelve months out twelve months they can't be the same. They can't get the same amount of money as you are getting, you should get less because you did the work number one. Number two they had twelve months with growth while you were. You only had like eight months with. Yeah. Yeah. But she gave me and then. The few weeks that he explained to me that I see the icees point where you say number one nobody's supposed to know what other people's bonuses are. That is number one. Yes. That means that she looked at it and she hume automatically back I'm getting less compatible another friend of mine. So I think less because she she she assumed or discussed it with somebody. Right. Yep. But next chic and fell like, oh, this meal got these these male go deep this meal this I'm a female or less, and I only took off to estimative leaf not like the goal vacation or something like that. So that was an argument. And he he was telling me while we're having bring sight he told me that. That was completely did not even see that happening and kind of conflict I mean, the hitch a call him ask him boring and all these kinds of stuff. Well. Any also explained to me the snowy for him to give the exact same amount of bonuses somebody else. Who what why she was a we? Right and the NFL flipped that would be I would ask How does she know what everybody else got? How the Hell The you know? What everybody got him bonuses? That's You being sneaky there was that there was that big movement on those two or three years ago about everybody should know. What everybody else's salary is that levels the playing field and the line? No, no man I mean. I I'll just say I agree with it in for my company because I run mine differently than most people there's a I don't have day laborers. I have skilled people there'd skilled as I am. So we all split part of that part of that to me is the argument against an hourly wage because. Employees as our of work may not be the same quality as employees be. That's right. I mean, look look at this podcast. I'm sitting around and you're doing all. Right If I cannot. Off, the whole time. My my call me work with this. It doesn't wait. So I get it. We make jokes. Being that can happen if you work with females as well sometimes, Dick and look at the problem but look at something and they're not rational it but they're all I'm a female that's why I'm being repressed well. It's not it's not just. To be fair, that's not just a female problem that could be anybody that sees themselves as a victim. OR A. Whatever you WANNA call protected class or whatever whatever anybody is entitled whether it's it's a racial thing or an ethnic thing or a religious thing you know if they're if they're. I. Think come from any group of people. That constantly told. That someone's oppressing number thorough victim. leads that mentality of well, it's obviously because of this well, no maybe you did shit work this year. Right. Besides the pregnancy maybe maybe maybe your your eight months of work whatever. Didn't live up to The. Just the fact there was eight once here and twelve months here. Yeah that's why. So like Bender I investigated and that became like a case for like is it sixty days or ninety days and then they decided again that's not valid being directly. By that. You said like you know what? So You cannot. You cannot believe someone who's doing that kind of thing. So they changed to a different. Well. Yeah. I. Okay We working well together all these is what happened when I was. So amazed by this house like if I'm it can fall months of for some personal reason and I get paid full salary to the phone lines and I'm also getting bonus. For that but the me. Right, and especially with the bonus, the bonus comes from a not just doing the work, the minimum conceivably going above and beyond what the minimum expectation was. So if you're not even there for the whole year. To get a bonus at all, I would be like, Oh thank you, Jesus you know. What's the best thing like an? In because he he works in a bank, right so most bank like. Health Insurance and how services order so like when you're pregnant you can. Claim the holding like meaning right claim or you can go to any of the panel company what not so he's like, yeah, you're getting so much from the company from so many different reason why would you say that I wanna at you because you are a female right? Yeah back so that that's another thing that I noticed that. Times you said like they think they are being treated differently a victim mindset but. It's easier if you're a female because he's Kinda accepted. Like. People don't question you lay for. Me See something like this I'll be bro I like let's talk about this. But. I think the only get one out of golf talk about this but more like, yeah, which is one of the the twisted things of the feminist movement, the whole you know on the modern and at least what they what they would put forth as it. They're going for equality when what they're really going for is to make women feel like victims so that they can get away with something like that. you know. Well, S K we would love to hang out and talk with you all night all night or all day if it's I forget what times on your end but What? Life. but we we do have to get moving on the rest of our show. Yeah Oh. So just for fun. So everybody watching listening, do you WanNa hear a voice from the future? Yeah all right s que say something. Alot. Voices from the future. Literally it's like. Oh. I got you I. We're literally time travel right now. Talking amazing row. Is. Amazing Rock we live on. well. Before we let you go eat cry. 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Wherever you stand in politics I don't really know how you can lean to the left right now. But I mean it's due to rest left. It's it's it's due to the policies of democratic politicians in Michigan that his bars failing it's not because of anything that a Republican is done and it certainly is not because the fucking president I mean. He sets policy at a very high level. That for the most part and being. Under our system of government guidelines that state and local officials can fucking blow off and oftentimes do yep. So, if anyone is telling you that you can't have your bar open, it is not the president it's your governor mayor. but I'm going to see if I want to find the video to this because it is pretty ridiculous. This dude. This dude I know there. Are Get this this dude who? Yes he does own this bar in Michigan. And it is failing apparently. What he fails to mention though is that he actually is a millionaire outside of this because of some tech investments. Again I hope we can try video. Now, of course, they pulled it man yeah. You Been Google. Yeah. They've pulled it. You WanNa talk about Tech Censorship. There is well, we'll. We'll read some of this article I guess since it won't show video biting campaign put out this ad in Michigan The depicts a tech CEO as being a struggling bar owner so the bar is struggling and he does own it. But outside of the Bar, He has plenty of money, just dump it in there and keep the bar afloat if he felt lake or do whatever he wants he is. Literally the definition of independently fucking wealthy. So, this bar in Michigan is called the blind pig. the owner because he's really the tool of the week. WANNA find this Disney. Was Papa Joe Malcolm. A Oh. Malcolm has blamed his businesses economic downturn on trump's covid nineteen response for fifty years. The blind pig is opening crowded but right now it's an empty room. He says in the women ad showing an empty venue. This is the reality of trump's Kovic response. No No. No I don't know of any executive order from the federal government that is shutdown. No anything business wise now. They've made they proud guidance and made recommendations, but it's all been up to governors and mayors mayors This. dish. Can You Joe? is a huge supporter of governor Whitmer who by the way in Michigan. recently. The Was the Michigan Supreme Court or a federal court over. The states and it doesn't matter. A court ruled that her Crazy executive orders. An emergency powers should have ended like six months ago her That are supposed to be permanent supposed to be very temporary. Very finite window in which governor should be able to even emergency should be able to just exercise carte blocks. They've all been exercising including our own tyrant police which by the way I guess there's there's been a court order for him that his restrictions on religious assemblies are unconstitutional. So churches can open up regardless of what that motherfucker says. So if you need to come to your bar perform church services. I'll put astor. I am calling I let Christ. Pastor the church ARACA role so You let me know. We'll get we'll get your venue packed. So so why is Mr Joe here and I wanNA show show picture right now for sure if we can't show the video at least get the picture up there. this Dude Joe. Co owner of the blind pig, why is he the tool a week? For being a misleading piece of shit because he is trying to make it seem like. without the blind pig, he wouldn't have a source of income which is completely untrue. He would be fine. Now the other people involved in the business would probably be in some trouble and If that was his intention. I would applaud him sure. But that's not what's happening. He is trying to say That people that have no authority. No He, he's trying to put the blame on. On the Federal Titians and officials that don't have a dog in this particular fight. Of course, is the president of the United States. Sure. President trump cares about fuck in all of us. Know doesn't. Wow, you got that. No, he doesn't I kept a straight face pretty well, history faces. No, he doesn't. Governor winter in Whitmer in Michigan. She doesn't give a fuck about anybody in Michigan. here's what's happening. You have. One Party. That is responding to a crisis in one way and another that is adamant to keep that party from retaining power. So they are trying to work against them and then twist it to be like Oh look what trump did look what the Republicans did. the other and I'm not saying we're not here to say that. Republicans are better than Democrats Vice. Versa. The but they're playing this politics game. And trying to get you to fall for all of it and this guy. Who is again made his money in the tech industry I don't know exactly what that means I. Guess he invested in a bunch to competence when they were on their way up in. Dumb well with that. And now as a hobby. owns part of a bar is what it seems like to me. goes on this ad for a campaign to say. Look what the other side did, and it's completely dishonest not just the other side look what the the the next level up and government did they don't even have the power to have done? It's his own governor and policies. He supports that are killing his industry in. Then he's GonNa come to us and go look what's killing my industry. And it's not even really his industry. He made his money in different industry. Multiple levels of do Sherie. So You're Joe. You are of the week we. We An. Fuck you offer censoring in the video There's no reason I should have made. It will find that on Youtube. And Fox News I don't know why that wasn't. In the article you could've included the AD in the article would have been very easy. So. It was at some point because it seemed like it was. That I mean there's a video here I guess we can play it and see what it is. No something else. spitting on, we talked about we talked about the British prosecution guidelines of been changed in. Let's talk a Delta passenger slaps flight attendant. This is a a solid runner out for the week. Could have been definitely could have been. Louis. N Me maybe this one's better. Now. That we have. Video. Will now at eleven, a flight attendant assaulted the confrontation began with a pair passengers refusing to buckle their seatbelts and put on their face masks on a Delta flight to take off from Miami to Atlanta eyewitnesses say the flight attendant had already told the passenger to deplane for refusing to follow crew instructions when the female passenger suddenly slapped that flight attendant across. Numerous number of other passengers. Social, this is a bad. Angle from over the. Shoulder, but I saw earlier hours and it's our. Great ABC. Seven content is a slam the subscribe button for our Youtube Channel Down. Yeah. So this this altercation was. They keep saying masks I don't know about that I do here in some of the videos I've seen something about seatbelts. Yeah. Which? Arguing there's no arguing now and Let's be honest. Once you're on an aircraft in this country. Your your whole there's a constitution and all that just goes out the fucking window. You can say that that's not the way it should be okay you you're welcome to argue that. The way it is is that once you're on there, that pilot is a fucking dictator those flight attendants are the S S. And you better fucking fall in line or you're not flying on flight. Is exactly right. Regardless a ED or any of that stuff. That's that's how that works. You WanNa Buck that system you're flying now. Don't get a go. You. Walk a dare you yeah. Go ahead I. Think a slight was like from Atlanta California. So good luck. With that walk. Right there's no time I thought we have to hurry hurry hurry. Get into his his sturdy right. There's some good shit. This week. Oh. So this week in his story let's see October twenty second nineteen, sixty to. The United States revealed that Soviets there revealed Soviet missile sites in Cuba to the world bid known about it for a little while. at least in the. Super secret government levels. President Kennedy ordered a Naval and air blockade on further shipment of Military equipment to Cuba. and. Following a confrontation that threaten nuclear war finally Kennedy and Khrushchev agreed on Tour Twenty Eighth to a process you end the crisis. In eventually on November second. Kennedy. Reported that Soviet missile bases in Cuba were being dismantled and so everyone eventually stood down. But A. Blows lived through it was fucking scared. People. People like left cities. Oh yeah drove. Yeah. This crazy which is silly is from for from Cuba they could basically anywhere. United Safe. All right ladies this one's for you they go October Twenty Fourth Nineteen Sixteen Henry Ford. A leader of his time. Awarded Equal Pay two women in his factories, right. So see guys we figured this shit out in nineteen sixteen. We shouldn't be arguing about it now. Now I mean he did say. It was kind of right on what the Jew thing later. Equal Pay for women nineteen sixty women he was behind. Listen. Burden hardened. Bart German always works. October. Twenty fifth. Be Right all the time about everything right October twenty fifth clocks right twice a day grow. Nineteen sixty. Martin Luther King Junior. was sentenced to four months in jail for a sit in and the reason why pick this was That that was a peaceful protests yes. No writing no break in anything. he just sat where he wasn't supposed to and not in the middle of the road. This was in. If I recall correctly lunch counters that were supposed to be white only they went ahead and sat down and say, can I once they went? But authors the colored lunch counter he went. No won't be served here Sir here And Yeah. You know wouldn't leave. They called the cops, the cops arrested him. He didn't fight the cops when they showed up, he wanted to make the statement of. this is fucked up but I'm. Going to. Throw a quasi obey that's little. Maliciously complexly comply there you go perfect zip maliciously comply with the police but not where the segregation, right? So Time to change a little with the. So called civil rights. Movement. That's all I'm pointing out here. will move on two. October. Twenty sixth eighteen, eighty one. I was reading this week in history. Three. Of the brothers and Doc Holliday of course are involved in a shootout with the Clintons mic lowery's at the OK corral in Tombstone Arizona. Coursey. Great movie. was made out of that starring CA Russell. Or many of them, Elliott Elliott. Yes. Bill Paxton. filmer. That other guy. the the Awesome Quaid, it's not insane. Dennis. Quaid there on insane Kuwait. Yeah Right. Those are some mustaches. No. I'm sorry. Dennis Quaid was in the Kevin Costner wider movie lighter. ANYWAYS team zone, you should watch it in the Kevin Costner wider they're both. All right. Let's see. October, onto another good actors seven. Yes nineteen President Ronald Reagan. DECIDED TO TEAR DOWN A. US Embassy that was under construction in Moscow because they found Soviet listening devices were being built into the structure. So. Yeah. They were like, no. Let's let's not use that building. In there there's an image of I guess roughly the point where Rent Reagan. was hearing back from his intelligence people about the stuff they were finding in the not even finish building and he was like, no, we're good. Let's. Let's get out of there were done. Let's see October twenty eighth nineteen o four Saint Louis Police try a brand new investigation method. Known as taking fingerprints. Probably something that was looked at his fucking witchcraft. Being, before that way, they're all different. All different tell people apart by this. Yeah. So that has been this week in his story. And they believe that brings us the end of our show. Now the do the quick sports. Okay. So history, we'll do sports and he's with the there's so much fun stuff in it today will sign into some sports. Right so this weekend sports, we have some strong men to start things off to two things. In the world strongman I. We go to some attempts in the log lift world record. being covered by a Lawrence Chalet retired British strongman was cyclic unfortunately. A little bit sad news to start with rope Kuni going for the American record, you've tried to take his American record up by almost ten pounds. He was attempting four hundred and eight, four pounds, two hundred and twenty kilos. He had a first attempt got pretty close couldn't quite with his split jerk technique it really needs to either go or tends not happen to talk. He couldn't quite get it high enough gets head through and get under the log. Came back for a second attempt by the. Ila Petr. Korda Monica really really devastating for strongest unfortunately these things happen in strongman who day he's such a tough mental, mentally strong character. I know he's going to be back but without question he's going to be massively devastated disappointed right now but we send him a best wishes rob as a as a good friend of so many of the strong mind and I. Know from experience what it's like to software those injuries he's no doubt. Go home. He's GonNa Bury His head in some ice cream. He'll be disappointed tonight and then tomorrow is GonNa wake up star focusing on what needs to do to get the trice at fixed. I'm planning his comeback but without question, rob will be back and he'll be getting that record. At some point next year now, Luke Stockman has been pretty quiet about his log lifting training recently and I really wasn't sure what to expect specially it's not really been that long since his first attempt to this world record. So. First Time Round. He went straight for the record as well during warmups and. For those that don't know a few weeks back, Graham the British record up to two hundred, twenty kilos and as good friends as these guys are there's that friendly rivalry as every wants to prove that they are the best in the nation. And Haixia has been claiming he's a strongest presser. And is something. Lucas is kind of proud to to try and claim for himself and he wanted an attempt that today. So how did he get on first attempt with Luke one hundred and nine hundred kilos now bear in mind one, hundred, ninety kilos not that long ago was I held is the British record. Aslam's using it as a warm up and he made it look extremely easy. One thing we've Lucas his technique is absolutely spot on perfect clean of the log. He keeps imposition. It keeps look nice and high up on the Kabul and then loss of leg power to in the drive lots of shoulder and triceps power to finish the REP off and he made one nine, hundred look effortless. He's next to temporary first proper attempt was two hundred and eleven Kino's. I'm modest. This wasn't as good as expecting for when I was comparing these lifts from first time round competitor today's lifts. It wasn't as good. Technically didn't quite as good as well. It may be the largest came away from him slightly, and it's these little tiny factors that make a difference with these huge ways. So after seeing now I, didn't even think he was going to have a crack the British record. How wrong I was he came back with two hundred, twenty one kilos and he was fired up you don't often see this from Lavar Louis. Really letting his emotions Albuquerque's he he he lifted the lock. You got the down from journalists and he just. The emotion. And by the way. He. said it in a full competition like they were doing of events all day. these guys were just going in doing that doing the law to try to set the record. So. You could see how much it meant to him, and he's one of the reasons I love watching Lucas Lexus in to that personality he he celebrated that it was a big big lift for me wanted to prove. He's the best log lift in the UK right now I, know a certain Mr Hickey will be back to to challenge those two are going to keep pushing this to British record and I believe the world record up and up and up. The. World record though wasn't to be Luke today he came back. And he said himself I mean a couple of things he said in the interview afterwards and it was a few things I picked up on before even the attempt firstly, probably to close the attempt last time round and world's strongest man in the background. I believe that will have been his main focus and on top of that, he had to cope with his seeing his friend rob they're competing at the same time. They could see each other through the videos unfortunately hailing the bad news about rob just before you go and lift a world record. Is Not Ideal and unfortunately. He didn't really get that time around I think he maple everything into the British records such a good left like I said I wasn't so convinced with the lift before two hundred eleven Cao's to twenty. One was just a beautiful left and I think he just put everything into that and to be quite honest I? Think it was a smart thing to do first time round where he he kind of just went from the world equity he did he got so close. Up that didn't get her more. I don't know if there are more athletes tempting. Speeds you this doesn't look like it. All right and things. moving onto. The. World deadliest record people are trying to top the five hundred K. G. Record from. The beast. Eddie Hall set of. That two years ago WANNA say. And then Last year, we covered the mountain breaking that although it was criticized because it was just an Jim and on you know right streaming wasn't in the contest. wherever you want to say about that, that seems to be the kind of reality that we live in now for some of these sporting events So let's take a look at the attempts at breaking met with A. Believe, they're going for five hundred into cage back and smash these numbers. Row No. Totally different approach he went three, seven five. Then, he went four to five. And then he let. Even go for for the big numbers. and. He decided then he go for four, fifty five. Minutes Tattoo his tactical move in the one thing you have to understand is these guys were paid extra for whoever pulled the most on the day so I think around I was looking at that. He was hoping I think he was hoping that even we go for the big jump and. He just went in for the safer Paul still a huge polar thousand pounds four, fifty, five pulled it reasonably well, there was no way he was pulling five to that day but takes the win. Unfortunately. No. Record for the the open dead lift. Still belongs to. Half though Julius Bjornson some of you out there or say still belongs to Eddie. Hall. That's a debate for different. Those two are the greatest dead lifters on the planet right now still, and I'm looking forward to seeing. Hopefully. Soon deadliness in competition daily for maxine competitions a locks from accent competition full competitions I want to see fans by watching. Obviously, we've got kind of. Time to go before we see that. But it sounds like there's things that are improving. Keep fingers crossed the next time round we can be doing these events in the live big shows with. The thanks Lawrence now for the strong. Man You've ever seen for a this is this is I don't know chair chair. This is called the diabetes traits got diabetes wbz's Roddy Hung Fu Kung Fu bts. Only. Oh. Is it the same guy? Oh. Man. Oh, look at all I heard. Oh, I'm not going down like a bitch. Have you ever seen oh? My God there's a great. Lakes weak leg Yeah. Yeah. Get put your finger and him. You Know Trevor. What are you doing? finger. There's a video. We're one in these bullshit artists who believes their own bullshit. Takes. Somebody, not really fucking around. This guy's tred because every once in a while they do that I know I can prove you know and they've just been around by yes. Men like this guy. Is. To Up. Yup? GotTa. Serious moves. The guy's amazing. amaz. Right up I'll have to dig that. Well, it will have to find those. There's there's there is an epic. One of these where. We're one of these types of the just like they just Kinda lay hands on you and your Oh the people that are on it, do you know? but they they start believing their own bullshit like a cult leader. Yeah. and then there's and then there's a video where there were where there's some kind of challenge between one of these assholes and somebody that really knows what they're doing is not playing along. In this dude. One of these guys like the chair guy just gets fucking wreck because this dude is not doing me Oh you. Touch my shoulder and you know and that's what he's expecting this he has been. Is trained all saw spiritual and it's all you know pressure points just touching. Yeah. Yeah. And that's not what is not real life. Sit there. Watch them all night. God what we do a sports spectacular US mortuary. How without be called? I found a cursory youtube was fake martial arts exposing fight but a lot of these. The one I'm thinking of is not what I'm seeing right off. So Shit cuemaster versus really UFC. Brazilian Jujitsu. That'd be scary. So we'll We'll see that for next time when I can find a proper like. When I really want seeing the other non and not shattered up to. 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Kristen Stewart as Princess Diana, Siesta Key Recap + Garcelle Beauvais Interview

Chicks in the Office

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Kristen Stewart as Princess Diana, Siesta Key Recap + Garcelle Beauvais Interview

"What's up, everyone? It's chicks in the office with Rian. Fran giving you that Friday energy on Monday as a `let's this day. Oh! Sorry guys, sorry, okay. Friday energy on a Thursday. That's what I meant. What's up, everyone? It's reinforced friend giving you that energy on Thursday as always. This podcast is presented to macy's macy's at. Can't even speak I'm sorry as macy's our favorite place to shop. You guys know it. We talked about it every single podcast I'm seeing a lot of. People being like wow I, never shop at macy's before, but you guys have proven that. There's really cute stuff, and I'm really happy to see that because there is again a lot of cute loungewear outfits that were wearing outside of the house right now, and of course, some homegoods I got a nice little mixer amid brownies the other day Home Air Fryer, keep talking about that, but I haven't used it yet, but I will I'm going to make something with this air fryer berry very soon and friend. 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That leggings that I'm wearing right now for macy's so just really had to tell rocking rocky. macy's love it. You can go to macy's dot. com slash chicks in the office and you can see everything that we're shopping and use Promo. Code Chicks until June twenty first, and you'll get a discount on your order. Make sure you do that before June twenty first, so you can get that discount on all of the great things that we're getting from macy's Fran. How're you doing on this lovely? Afternoon. It's you know it's mid June. The weather is nice. How're you doing? I'm well Bria. Beautiful. It is crazy that it's like already just hearing, you say mid, June. It's like. Wow, it's. It's mid. June it's just twenty. Twenty has been quite a year, but it's already halfway through I. Don't know it's it's time time has been. A very bizarre concept. It is strange and we found out that we probably won't be going back to the office until like. August or we don't know even later. We have no idea, but it's not gonna be July, so you know part. Part of me is a little sad about that. Because you know, I feel like I've gotten my time inside like I for a little bit I was enjoying the quarantine hand up I like writing able to be in my bed, liked watching shows all the time. I was comfortable and. And now I'm reaching the point where like Miami, diety has reached new levels this week, and I feel like when I'm around people and I'm talking to people. I just feel so much better, so I was like really missing being in the office where like when I'm around my friends at around my coworkers, and were laughing and having a good time and everyone's like Shit Oprea. You're going to be great. And I'm in the office of. My thoughts don't get to me so I was actually yesterday I was thinking about it I was like fuck you. I can't wait to get back to the office like I feel like I'm schedule much better being around people and then. A little later I got a call like Leah. We're not going to be coming back or like the people who don't have to be in the office directly says. I'M GONNA have to sit with my thoughts even longer. Okay got it but it's also the summer, so you know the weather's nice taking walks is nice. Being in New York City in the summer is not right at great like. You know the rooftop bars and all that is nice, but that's not open right now, so yeah. I like the beach I like waterfront views so. It is right. It is what it is I. I. Yeah I've given open invitation. Yes, thanks very much. Come out I, you know. Maybe. Don't want any. We take a trip to see no. You WanNa. Have your. Nose like. Think we have enough beds here. Sorry, okay, sure. We. Get the hint no I. I agree with you because it's a very weird situation with going back to work especially Manhattan. There's a lot of rules We we want office. If if you follow a lot of stuff from parcel, you see that there are people in the office, but we're really only supposed to be working at like twenty five percent capacity, so it's supposed to be a very very few people. Actually in there end we have just kind of had to manage like who those those people are, and from what they're doing. We're thriving from home. Yeah. Yeah they were like you're doing your job. Great remotely like you don't need anything specifically in the office, so the people have been going to the office like need. You know people who are doing serious. We haven't been doing radio since quarantine started. So you know it's people who need to be in the office and the hang needs to be in the office? So then I'm like Oh, we can't like goal duck. 'CAUSE I. DON'T WANNA. Leave him. I enjoy being with my boyfriend, so that I'm Mike. Yeah, but I WANNA go somewhere, so I don't know if I come to Martha's Vineyard to you. Then I'm Kinda tracked and mortars vineyard because. I got the keys the car, so it's I dunno figuring out eventually, it'll be fine. Positive Vibes only. I. Walk Because on the inside like I'll be honest this week. This the way I cope with things is I feel away. A lot of people cope with things. They start laughing about things that make them uncomfortable. Make them sad. which is what I do, but then when I'm not front. Anybody I just cries, so it's like right now like. You have so much anxiety ha I, go! I start the laptop and I'm like sitting in my bed with my up. Crying no I'm kidding. You're not kidding. You're not kidding and it's. Sad you tried to spend that into a joke which I respect but it it did it work. That's what I do. I just try to make everything a joke because I get uncomfortable being like serious. Yeah, you know, Look A-. especially with everything that's been going on. There's a lot ups and downs. Mental, health I hope everybody is taking good care of themselves. Because it's wood, there's so much going on top of obviously coronavirus, virus and things opening up and people just. Trying from that doing things in seeing people. or not seeing people, so it's just. It'll be interesting how. All these states navigate through the summer, because obviously every state is is different, and we kinda live the New York experience when so many states are so different than New York so. It's GonNa be crazy but. We will just keep recording. Are He'll zoom? We fucking Love Zoom Yeah so funny being on Zoom and doing interviews by the way we have an interview on this podcast. haven't had yes interviews like I think a week or or two week couple of weeks. So. That's great, but it is always funny. Just doing interviews on zoom of the awkward like okay. Now you go okay nine. and. You can't really give each other signals or There without fail wants an interview. There's a time when when Rian I speak at the same time them, and then at the same time again we say oh, go ahead and so the. Stuck say the same thing, 'cause. It's like we speak, and then we're like. Oh, shoot, and then we both go I go ahead, Riyadh, reassess, go ahead Fran at the same time I'm cringing begging about it, but it is what it is zoom life. Yeah, I, feel everybody understands, and you know. We always got a chuckle out of it from the guest. No, yeah, the guests are always like classic zoom. Classes you guys. Yeah, ovarian friend, YOU LITTLE RASCALS! Yeah, so it's going to be like this for who knows until celebrities are doing in person interviews again when we're allowed to travel again. What what makes me a little upset is? How much fun I think we were having this podcast before everything got shut down. To Miami, we went to away. Like coach was common We were doing some clothes shit. We had some cool hitting the pipeline I even heard about us going to Hawaii at one point I was like what so i? You know I god about that. Yeah there's obviously way bigger things to worry about. We know that I'm not gonNA. Sit here and cry about not being able to go places but I do think. Realistically if anybody was. Anybody feels this way to living a normal a normal life, travelling and whatnot, and then it was no the whole. The whole year is just it's it's. Just from I don't know it's. It's been crazy. Because obviously, there are so many things that. Could have happened, but we're put on hold, but that's all right. I think more as like from backyard casts like I'm not. I'm not thinking about my own personal life. Travelling like I Jessica Mark Live reality for this show and for in the office so many cool things. Hype Line like not I? Hope people don't realize. I was like talking about myself here on vacation. Because that's not all now. No, no, you were doing cool. Thanks projects in the office which we will still continue to do, and when things open up. Hopefully, we'll have some cool things in the pipeline coachella. Twenty twenty one will be there. That's allowed. Yup Yup. One day. That he who knows collide, said concerts it could be a while, not even be twenty twenty one, but we'll. We'll see on that note. What did What else would we want to talk about today? I know we want us to talk. About won't wanted to talk about Chris Delia Oh. Yes, we want to let all of our listeners know that he. A sketch creep and you know obviously, there has been a lot of conversations around. People being canceled right. And this guy! Canceled canceled Yeliz. What are you wearing to the Chris Delia candidate party yeah. Stay canceled. The past few days, tons and tons of people have come out especially a lot of women and a lot of women who, at the time are underage or are so currently underage who have very sketch creepy stories about Chris Delia. And you know there's been threads on it on twitter. People are just including all of the messages in stories that people have been sharing about him at shows or in message it like damning people soliciting things and. Just seems like a great a creep, honestly disgusting and you know Chris. Delia played a pedophile in season. Two of you and workaholics and I think the show Whitney as he said. And I remember when I watched these into you, I said the Hang I was like Damn Chris Delia must be like a squeaky clean guy to play basically himself because he was playing a comedian. Play himself, but to have this. Be The alternate story to it like he must be, he must be clean. 'cause route knew how to play that part and in your head, not subconsciously bank. I have creeped underage girls before. So this is this is disgusting. Honestly like just from top to bottom that you have all of these girls speaking out about all these instances where you know, there were seventeen sixteen. Some were eighteen, but a lot of underage girls, and then he comes out and basically says TMZ. Just to shorten his. His message says I didn't do any of these. Things never did this but I. Really Am sorry. The my lifestyle got got the best of me. How do you say you didn't do something? And then all of a sudden say you're truly sorry in the lifestyle got the best view you can't. There's no now back that a on this one you're. You're just new either are denying it or you are sorry. I'm really confused by the reaction from Chris Delia here and by the way. If you don't believe these people, you're out of your mind. There's a long owned many stories like Christina is clearly. Yeah. I mean last night I read at least. Thirty tweets of girls telling this a different version of of a creepy story that they have had with. With him, so you know once you once. You hit a number like that like it's. Still like it's so obvious, people are like worst approve all over the place all over a single tweet is i. don't really understand the. Where's the proof? When every single story is proof, right, it's it's so frustrating, but I think hopefully at this point. The message is clear that Chris. Delia is a KRIPO and you know if you want. If you want to search Christiaan twitter because you'll find all the information and she rates, dogs has been posting just yet. Reds of people who epidemic Ma'am just to. Tell them what what's up with her Celia Yeah and you know what else like you have to be. kind of like a sociopath to. Play. A pedophile on TV multiple times. And live that life in real life and not think that. People would try and make some kind of connection. I mean absolutely just the brain works to be like. ooh I'M GONNA. Take this role where I play a pedophile. Because like how how delusional argue about yourself? That's what's really freaking me out to have that much. Not Self aware like your eye so on self aware. To the point where you're delusional. Yeah, yeah, it's really creepy. Rose and you know I, said the same thing about Steve Carell playing that role in the morning show I was like Steve Corral must be squeaky clean. Because how's he going to play this type of role right, and then because then people start thinking things and. Dealing with more than one role site, yeah, yeah, monarchy in more than one of those kinds of roles like you gotTa. You GotTa Think Y. I is this what I want to be doing and as a comedian. You really you really picked up three roles as a pedophile Christie Leah Yeah. You couldn't get any other roles. That's pretty telling. Yeah, yeah, it's pretty likely said super gross. If, he like seems like he is currently being canceled and would hope that that is one that sticks I hope so I really hope people don't start forgiven him giving him a job and what just? There's just too much evidence ushering going forward and on a lighter note we'll get into some topics, yes. We have. Actually this is not a lighter note Kristen Stewart was cast as princess. Diana and people are not happy. Including Noah Machine Kelly and Megan Fox are officially dated. SEEMS WE HAVE ACS? aqui recap as well as Alex. being fired from CS ski, we'll talk about both of those things and the bachelor recap with Trent the greatest season of all time, Kaitlyn. Bristowe really excited to talk. Talk about it all. It was fun night plus fun announcement as well and we also have a great interview with Gar. Sell Beauvais from real housewives of Beverly Hills. She was Super Super Fun to talk to, and we really had a great time with her and works to have words views on the show, so let's get into it starting off with Kristen, Stewart as Princess Diana. Donald. We crave a different kind of. Let me be. Let me live that. People are pissed about this topic right now. Kristen Stewart was cast as Princess Diana. So she who cast in this new bio, pic is going to be called. Spencer and production is expected to begin early twenty one Pablo Lorraine is set to direct and it's a drama that. That is it says that it covers a critical weekend in the early nineties when Diana decided her marriage to Prince Charles wasn't working and that she needed to veer from a path of put her in line to one day. Be Queen. The drama takes place over three days. in one of her final Christmas holidays in house of Windsor so. Obviously the concept sounds very interesting, but. It has been a resounding dear God. No, from like the entire public. All I see is the office Gif of of. Michael Scott, and it's just like. No No. And it sucks, because. I like I. do like Kristen Stewart, but she is normally cast is the same kind of person and a majority of of movies and. Her acting skills are just not that. Versatile in my opinion. I, agree with you. I used to love Kristen Stewart as a kid because my acting teacher and my manager used to tell me, but I remind them of Kristen Stewart, and then I realized I should quit acting because that means. I was bad actress. Thing I'm GonNa make that the. Post. Just literally fast forward ten years. RIA is no longer an actress. No joke they were leading. You should go for like the Kristen Stewart I. And I took that as a compliment at the time. Because I love twilight I love the twilight series and I also loved a panic room with Kristen Stewart and went on a rider. I think that that was Christmas towards best movie. No joke, she. She must like twelve years old in that movie, but it's actually a really good movie in are acting was really good, and then we get the twilight where I think her acting portrayed the role that she was supposed to be in. This is like playing A. Similar herself him it and yet, but then she started carrying not in every role that she did I. Remember the runways, which I was really excited for with to fanning and Kristen sewer, and they were playing the run arrays and Joan Jett. And Sherry and I was like Oh my God Kristen Stewart. She's going to be so good as Joan Jett and it's not that. that. She was bad as Joan, Jett, but she was christened sewer. Right, you know the the possess is just not really there as much as you want it to be. I thought that just to slide this in here because I know, we have to bring it up. Noah had one of the funniest tweets ever that he's ever had chicks in the office. He tweeted. This is the second or thing to ever happen to princess. I just. I lost it. I was laughing for good ten minutes about the good expensive. Good like spit out your food tweet like you're like Oh shit, but it's ruthless and Barry funny at the same time When I think about it. I think it's it's going GONNA end up being like. Kristen Stewart. Playing Princess Di playing Christian store like a you know it's a weird combination. I still have a sour taste of my mouth from the Charlie's angels reboot. That movie was awful and so it's just. I don't I don't really know an end. Once again. If really feels like piling on Kristen Stewart, but There's just so many other actresses. I would think of to play Princess Diana before I would consider Kristen Stewart. Exactly had a great point. He said that Sophie Turner would have made a great Princess Diana and I agree with that I was like wow, what a great choice! Hang! That just came through so fast I feel like. Anybody could have been in Notre Dame actress British actress who's actually British to play Prince. Or doing a British accent I'm cringing out of my skin. Genuinely can't sit in this chair and talk about Kristen Stewart doing a British accent as Princess Diana I'm sorry I guess. Kristen Stewart has such a different vibe than princess. Diana look. I'M NOT GONNA lie I think they might actually make a change from the public. Outcry of how much people do not like this look I think sometimes never happened though. Has Anybody ever made a change because of public outcry? For movie think about how many times I know I only fuck. It does happen I know it does happen, but I feel like a lot of times. That's when people are playing I know you're you're right. About the impossible life, maybe maybe. Maybe dropped out just because she was like no one wants me to do this. No, she's going to get paid millions of dollars. Why would you? Never drop out of a role because so many people on the Internet, like Boo I would actually want to play more so that. I can prove that I'm going to. Maybe he will prove everyone right. Maybe maybe this'll be academy award performance, and that would be best case. Scenario is rooting for her, but I. Just I don't have that much hope. Right and I feel it has the very similar feel to Yes, there's plenty of times when you we hear casting announcements and people get so pissed and I keep it in the twilight Brown, but like when Robert Pattinson was cast as Batman. Everybody was like what the fuck. Is Playing Batman Yeah. But but I feel like there was also slightly more positively towards rubber pads I. There's a lot more people kind of being like who knows this could work they. Let's give him a chance for this. It's just seems like a resounding no. Yeah and for somebody who is such an icon? Like Princess Diana, you would you WANNA? do or justice now irate know maybe Kristen Stewart had the audition of a lifetime truly because there is no way that they went. Kristen Stewart in offer the offer this. There's no way there's a lot of times in Hollywood, movies and TV where actresses and actors get offered parts without having to audition just because of their experience and being known as a great actor or actress. There is no way that this that kind of role for Kristen Stewart. These people did not. Not seek out kristen stewardess. Hey Kristen. Your the one you killed it in twilight, and we think great as Princess Diana. She had to have read for the part it. There had to have been some sort of audition process, so maybe she just really really crushed. It I would love to see a list of people who were up for the role as well because I remember we saw that. For what movie was it that we saw a whole list of guys that were up for a certain role Was It the Little Mermaid I? Think it's I think I was GONNA. Say the Little Mermaid then didn't want to be really wrong by saying the Little Mermaid. Yeah, that's such a weird comparison. I'm talking about Princess Diana. I think it. Was The little mermaid because I think that was when everyone thought maybe Harry, styles was play Prince Eric and who's like? Yeah, yeah. Either way I like when they put out a list, and they're like these are the people that might play this part. Right and this, so this director I just wanted to see what else is director has done and he. Directed that the bio-pic Jackie, the one the one that Natalie Portman did that was was nominated that that. Natalie Portman was nominated for so. Maybe. It's like yeah. You did it with Natalie. Portman playing playing Jackie Kennedy. Maybe that will have the same correlation. I gotta be honest. I haven't really seen videos of Princess Diana speaking that much yeah. Maybe her kristen, Stewart, sound alike. Now taking your head, not really okay. I really Aronov. I was looking I was looking for some. Hope I. Diaz Defy Kristen Stewart playing Princess Diana, but Seem like there's a reason unless like I said she thought can crush. The audition swept the director office V8 run. One of her like came down was like no, we can't not play. And I think. Terry was just like sorry now. We gotta pull the plug. What Prince Harry was like Kristen. Stewart is the one. God I mean I think. I think they would pull the plug on anything because they they probably hate that. These movies and stuff get made any way about their mom so I think it's. It's crazy that EXC. That there they would have to watch. Kristen Stewart. Play their mother Ailey Bieber can't act and she would have been better pick as There's a long list like there's a long list of people I feel like could have. Crushed that that every actress in Hollywood? We'll see. Charlie's angels. Oh Man It'll be interesting. We'll see what happens because it's not like the movies going to be made any time soon so. Shoes swept. I. Cam Phrase Sam West. Seed such me. And My Dad Calling Go, Fred Dalton. From you Nah. Go, but just miss the fried I can't stay. Extreme this guy. Hot Hot couple alert Meghan, Fox and machine gun. Kelly seem like they're officially dating. They were seen out in public nuzzling, holding hands kissing. They are on fire. Honestly. I was turned on by looking at these photos. They are so fucking hot as a couple. It's insane him. Machine Gun Kelly also put a video up on instagram of a Sushi Picnic and he wrote in love on the on the video so I these sugary is a smitten kitten. which right like how do you not instantly fall in love with Fox? If she gives you that opportunity like one day at one data and it's it's insane. You know he had tweeted like when life imitates are talking about align song, and like you said there's pictures of them holding hands and whatnot I am so. We said it already, but so into this couple. Now that it is confirmed out there in the PD is out there just. They're they're a true rock and roll. Couple may are like I said they're just so fucking hot. There's no way to deny it. You know if your machine gun Kelly in. You get this chance to be with Megan Fox. Who? Is the number one Megan Fox number one right it's hard to. Fight that she's like the hottest girl to ever exist, and she's interested in you. Got To hold the down machine gun Kelly. Don't fuck this up. I'm just saying how and I think that machine gun Kelly as I. Don't know I love when we talk about celebrities I think there are good. I don't know really him anything about him besides I think that we think is a good guy. Because of what I see him and his daughter. He seems like such a great dad and. Gas Great. Friend Pete Davidson when Davidson Arianna Guerande broke up. We heard that machine gun Kelly flew to PJ Davidson right away. We've known people at work that have hung out with him and say that he's just such a Nice Guy, so i? I'm rooting for this. He's like the opposite of GE easy. You know he's yet. G. Easy wants to be correct. Correct No like you said bike and Fox is will be an icon forever and I. I've talked to you about this plenty of times, but one of the only criticisms that Megan Fox gets is because of her. Dang club thumbs and you know what Megan Failure 'cause I have them to. You have those thumbs in to be in Mega. Fox's company not is glorious to share Shania gift. To show any against to share anything with Megan Fox is a beautiful thing now. She she really, she truly gave me a gift. Because it is my go-to response when people make fun of me for my thumbs early a new frame, what the fuck are those and I'm like well. Did you know Megan Fox also has the their gift they're they. They're not cute. I mean I. Don't know what to tell you. The rest of your hands I have. told. You really do friend. Onto you because you have great you, you could be a hand model. Your thumbs off I know I know the rest of my fingers are. Full! You have such great Han. Thumbs though I know, it's okay. Like I said. So yeah. It's fine. There's any listeners out there who also have the club thumbs? You know what I'm talking about and I'm sure there are people. Make Fun of you You can just say that Megan. Fox also has them. If you don't already use that as as a response back to to the haters, because that's what to. Absolutely, it's a great response to have. Oh, just having. Having Megan Fox underside ninety saying is beautiful. I also WANNA say because this has to do with Meghan and machine gun Kelly. Brian Austin Green. Who, obviously now is Megan's. Ex Husband. Has Been Seen hanging out with Courtney started? And that's I i. don't know what's going on with. Brian Austin, green. But that that's a cry for help I hope he's okay. They said I saw that I saw that. They're just friends, you know. She is Ria Google. One that was like a teenager married to that old actor that was not really a well known actor. She's got all that work done, but like she has recently come out and say that she was taken advantage of and had such terrible experience in that marriage, but it's just the the drama and Weird Shit. Going on there is is too much. Do, you do recognize who she is. When you searched it I recognize her, she is, but I would like to say that maybe. You know everything. She saying and she was in a bad relationship. Whatever it is! Maybe that has had A. I'm sure actually has had a personal impact on her. And maybe she is better now and Brian Austin Green sees the beauty inside of her, and maybe maybe she's a good person may be they get along. Very beautiful way to put. It will yeah because I don't I'm looking at her and it seems like she. Might ever own issues and I don. I, don't WanNa. Make Fun of her for it. Because I'm sure she's been through some shit. When when? They were like front page tabloid news for a long time when they when she mirim looking dog, I think Hutchinson Yeah Yeah Yeah there was. That there were some weird. At going on there, he's six years old. She's twenty five. I think she married him when she was like. Seventeen I also saw that Brian Greene has not filed for divorce yet, even though they both seem like they're. They've been moving on maybe as still holding on to hope that they'll get back together. It's not the first time they've broken up right. So who knows I just have to say that I'm sorry, Brian. Austin Green I am rooting for a machine gun Kelly at end Megan Fox. They would have a super cool fucking wedding, and it would be awesome if they got. Right in. It's funny because that is definitely a huge possibility where this machine gun Kelly, thing is a. Could be short-lived like you said Megan. Brian Austin Green. Have Gun broken up gone back together many times, and it seemed like when all this was going down. 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Because the episode was very clearly at down to remove Alex from the entire story, because Alex has been fired for MTV, he will no longer be on the show. MTV said they will be editing the season going to have the least amount of Alex as possible. And we saw that and look. I. I would reunite. Both saw the screen shots. Of comments at Alex's made on social media in the past. If you want to find those, you can search his name on twitter. I'm sure they will come up, very. He's. He's a horrible person like he this. It makes so much sense that he was fired so much sense -solutely I, hate Alex I, said that ever since I started watching CNN. didn't really know him before I started watching a but as soon as I started watching the show I was like this is a bad human being. He just seems like a terrible fucking person. So you know it's a good thing Siesta. Key MTV got rid of him. They don't need that kind of trash. Their channel any longer it does complicate things for season. Considering so much is centered on Alex and a lot of drama centered on Alex when they were filming, they had made the decision yet to get rid of him so everything they were filming worth things with Alex, and now they're not even putting him in the show, so things have been cut down there, just doing a lot of talking about him and not showing him so it's it's complicated for I. Guess Siesta Key Right now. On what to do, do they at this point. They're not showing him so that's a done deal. There's no question about it yet. I bet there were questions asked to do. We continue to show him on this new season, but say he's he's fired. He won't be on the show going forward and we don't condone his behavior and just show him anyway. Because he's such a bad person, he ever looks good on the show. Anyway, right or do we just cut out all his scenes altogether and get rid of him. I think the ultimate decision they had to make was cut out all the scenes I mean yeah. They can't let it slide for some people not let it dry for other people so end like we set. He just seemed like a bad human being in general so I think it had to be done at this point and I think that the work their way around it. Obviously, it's going to be a lot of talking about Alex, instead of showing him, but he he is a huge part of the drama. It's. It is complicated, and MTV has done this before and people been upset about it when they edit around people because it feels like this story is incomplete, but it's just. It's just the way to do it because if you think about it, obviously at the end of three season three which had aired earlier this year we had seen. We had seen a pregnancy test in everything, and it was like a cliffhanger. Ending and I'm sure they filmed the I'm sure film that conversation between Elissa Alex. That was probably a very big moment and probably a huge part of what this premiere at. was going to to be about But? When you're, you're fired or fired and that you're out. They obviously have to cut around it and it. It's also happening now with with the challenge a little bit. They. Said when de was without de was fired, and when no longer beyond any further seasons that. It would be hard to kind of navigate because obviously right now. She's still on the show and you know there. There's new, but I'm just talking about the one from the last week. It was very clear that they tried to cut around a lot of D. stuff like they. She was a big part of the episode, but they tried to make her not a big part of the episode. So that's just what happens when we find out that these people are are should people and they're getting fired, and so we're going to have to kind of fill in the pieces ourselves, and maybe the other people from key will fill in those pieces and will find out the the full story because. That's. That's the only part that bothers me. It's it's it's like. We. Don't get all the details. I just want the details. I don't need to see him like. Keep him off the show, but I just Wanna I just want all. Somebody's telling me all the drop. Absolutely I am perfectly fine with not seeing his face any longer I. think that TV made the right decision to not show his face because. They can't like He. Can't fire someone and then continue to show an entire season where they're like a major part of the show exactly and like I, said I'm sure that they had that debate in their head. We do we fire him. show it. Do we just get rid of him altogether and only talk about him and like we said I think that. They went with the choice that had to be done. Not Show him, but give us the drama. Let us let us know what happened and I also think this gives room for like Juliet to really. Grow and Shine on this show because I oughta the Times I think. The Juliet is the main star Siesta key and I feel like obviously a lot of it had to do with Alex and Alex and Juliet fighting back and forth, but even. During the seasons like Yeah Alex was a big part of it, but they also didn't show him. A lot of the Times like there were some times where. I'd be like it's weird. They're not showing Alex right now in a time where you think they would be so I think that the show is going to be perfectly fine Going forward, I don't know if they're gonNA. Continue to do another season, but. Right, I would have been fine if the if the season had started with. They would have been fine if like the the way that the last season had ended wasn't centered around Alex like on somebody else's. Yes, if it was somebody else, somebody else's drama would have been no problem because like you said they've gone multiple episodes without showing Alex and it's it's wonderful. It was just it was just really unfortunate timing that we left off with a big Alex Story Line that is obviously now complicated because of this situation. So that's why that's why I agree with you whatever there's going to be other things going on, not everything revolves around Alex. there's so many other. Parts to this to this show, but I will say it was obviously very. It was it was very obvious we got to see Alex's Dad. Get screen time with with Khloe targeted Gary about her future in the in the COMPO businessworld. And it around Chloe, selene bag and telling elissa telling Melissa. But but without really showing oh ESA. Yeah, let's talk about chloe. Bag meeting with Amanda. because. I'm fed up with chloe I gotta be honest. We talked about on our instagram. Live about how chloe you know. She stirs up. The drama shows the one who goes and tells people things, and then they find out about it. The fact that she even this basic asked Selene bag from Alex in the first place. Pick a different style. Pick a different bag. Like did know change a bit as basic asked. Purse that everyone has like that. That's not the number one issue with it, but I was just like okay. Really, that's the bag that you wanted so bad. Everyone has that everyone, but that's the basics lean bag. You would get change it up a little bit Khloe. If you're going to have, somebody buys something for you. An second just having Alex Picker off in general. It is just a scummy move. Amanda wanted nothing to do with it. She was get that bag away for me. That's disgusting. Khloe and then Amanda went and confronted Juliette about it right. I guess it's my inner basic I left the back. It's. It's nice. Obviously, it is bad, but he most basic selene bag, but you can find yes, and if you're going to have somebody, buy you a bag. I would pick something a little more. With With more pizzazz with it, that's okay. So with the. With chloe to, it was weird because it's just. was just self-serving. Right like so obviously it's worked out for chloe in the past tattle on everyone because that's been her her role in her. Oh and she does it very well, but when? It would directly affect her life more than it normally does because she's been working with Alex working for his dad. It's like I'm not now I'm not gonNA say anything one because I was paid off in two. frigging mob mob Gerry being like trust. You like you in the you in this family. It's like what what what is what is going on here so? Kobe was not going to be the one to say anything, but obviously bothered Juliet enough that. She just. cracked. Everyone was saying. Don't say anything Amanda didn't want anything to do with it. Khloe didn't want anything to do with it. Even though you know Khloe. Khloe didn't tell Eliza but towards the end of the episode, it seemed like everybody knew. All the girls knew everybody knew so. It was like there wasn't a big secret. Everybody knew that Juliet and Alex slept together. A national and everybody knew that Alex Bribe. Call me with the selene bag. Right and here is my issue with the whole thing and I it bothers me because I root for Juliette and I really liked Julia a lot and I think that she has just been. A terrible relationship with allies for some of her life, and it obviously has some emotional scarring on her, and not while I'm sure she does the things that she does right so i. don't want to ridicule her too much because i. don't even know what it's like to be in her position. But when she was talking about it and she was like Alex he can do whatever he wants to get away with it. In this at the other thing I'm not going to let him get away with it I was like. But you're the girl. He fucked like heat cheated on his new girlfriend with you, and like a man said to her like you know how that feels joy at you know what it's like to be cheated on, and now you just did that to somebody else. And now you're acting like Alex is the only one who did something wrong. When Juliet was very much in the wrong as well, she knew a listen Alex were now dating at that point you don't. Don't get rights because you were the X. or the first person. It's not like Alex's rights are now to you and you can fuck him whenever you want. Even if he has a girlfriend because you dated him wants. That's not how it works. So I was just a little annoyed that she kept saying like. He's not gonNA. Get Away with this. He's not GonNa get away with this when she was very much part of what he did and what was wrong. As for everybody, not wanting to tell Elissa. Girls GotTa, Know Somehow I think. Juliet wanting to tell Ya is a little bit of both like a good thing, a bad thing, a good thing being. She doesn't want Alex to get away with this cheating a bad thing that I think it was kind of inspite because in. Just to end just to like get. Rid of her own guilt. Like it doesn't. It doesn't help us at all and helps her that she feels like she got this offer chest. was also crazy to me. Is just I mean obviously Alex has had this super like this spell over Juliette for a long time and. I. Just don't understand how Eliza. Doesn't. See what kind of person he is, it's just it's just crazy. Even when Juliet called, Elissa was lie and breaks. News tells her. What happened in Nashville? And, she's like I. Just don't believe you and and I just I don't know how you could at Alex is a boyfriend and not immediately be suspicious. I would just not trust a word he said. I asked him. You said nothing happened while. You're just GONNA believe? Absolutely I don't know how Alissa heard that. Just like I don't care what you're saying to me. Whatsoever I believe him. You have to be blinded by. Alex hypnotized to not believe when somebody's straight up saying I hooked up with him. Why would Juliette put herself in position to say? She hooked up with him when she didn't 'cause. It's just embarrassing for her as well so the. Believing her yeah. Obviously the the You know can have a relationship without trust, so maybe a list of just like I'm going to blindly trust Alex because I want our relationship to move forward and at this point. I'm. Pregnant like thing like because the time line. I guess at this gala. Listen knew she was pregnant, right? I would think. Because that's how because they had seen the test already, so she so so I'm sure obviously that has something to do with it because nobody else knows that yet or if that's coming or whatnot, so we'll see AH WANNA. Talk about Kelsey and Garett, because they were also a big part of this episode. They have rekindled their love they posted on a couple of pitchers on social media and. From the coming attractions. It seems like maybe this doesn't last long guides. I Love I've loved Calcium Garrett, and it sucks because I. Feel like people think that Garrett's too good for Kelsey or that. Kelsey has fought with Garrett in the past and that is true. But. I don't know there's something about the two of them. That I've always really and I thought maybe they would. They would make it work, and throughout the whole episode I was like wow are. Do they actually make this work like. Are they together resist? Is this what's been going on? But from the season preview it seems that below sop. I think it blows up, but I feel like they get back together. Because Kelsey posted a picture with Garrett on Instagram happy. I, don't know if would post that. If they had got into explosive fight and didn't fix right, so consoles also Barrington now, but I also. He's good at with her social media to like your host when things are happening on the show and Kinda hiding with actually going on currently. She's always been pretty good with that true. That's great point. Maybe we would have seen instagram stories with Garrett more often. And you know if Garrett is trying to hook up with another girl while he's dating. Kelsey I'M GONNA. Be fucking pissed. Garrett I'll say it right now I'm I'm not gonna be happy with him, so we'll see what happens. It was very interesting supposed to be a two hour show and it was only fifty two minutes. I mean right, not even fifty two minutes. Plus commercials must've been I watched. I watched it on down. Yeah, it was forty two minutes. Yeah, a quick showing. I'd probably probably will be like that for the rest of the season, but will continue to watch. Juliet is going to get a new boyfriend. Yom's filthy rich in that's going to be interesting to see everyone. Get Jealous and claim that doesn't like him only for his money, so we know that's coming and we'll see what happens with. Maybe we'll get a JJ encounter showing jj sudden dating Amanda he's with Cara. Yeah, and maybe Madison. Insured GonNa move into a house, and like a cracks me up, 'cause. I know it was. Just on such a different wavelength that everybody else like everybody else. I feel like it's still in like petty drama. Fighting There's so much drama going on. They're still so young, but Madison who is also very young, is like I want to buy a house and have babies and I'm trying to pick my permanent residents. Just it's so different from what everybody else is doing. Exactly listen I. Don't want to harvest on the fact that I think that Madison issues relationship is really weird and yes I said harvest again, even though it's harp. I still not comfortable with it. It's not sitting well with me that this man who was a producer on the show behind the scenes like Ooh I. Want Madison Right. It just freaking me out a little bit, but. It is what it is. If they like each other, you know they're both of age. It's concerned. So! There's nothing about that. Shit, don't. Even know. Shit. Monday night we watched Kaitlyn Bristowe 's season for the bachelor greatest of all time. I can can say that it was definitely along three hours. Three hours is very long, but we have Trent back with us to discuss this season. Because honestly I know I know they're saying the greatest of all time, and they're using all of all of the season's multiple seasons, but CAITLYN's was honestly. Might be the greatest season. Yeah, we were texting back and forth while the show is airing about what we thought. The Best Seasons were I particularly am a fan of Joe. Joe Season. That's probably my favorite seasons of all time. Is, right up, there and full disclosure I didn't watch sean low season when it happened and I also didn't watch last week with they the recap was it. Wasn't all that interested in watching three hours of season that I hadn't seen, but CAITLYN's was the complete opposite. I watched all that three hours. You're right. It's a little long, but it was cool to see those old faces remember some of those old moments, yeah! I was really excited for this because Caitlin. Season was Kinda how I was introduced to the Bachelor and Bachelorette General I used to hear about it obviously when I was younger, but I didn't watch and I remember being at my friend's house. She was like Oh, I need to I need to catch up on the Bachelorette, and we watched like five episodes of. Of CAITLIN season, so that was the first season I ever really saw I didn't necessarily like remember any of the guys including in Nick Vile shutout Nikki be I didn't really remember much or even. Sean booth in general I just remember Caitlin, so it was really fun to watch. How many guys that we know now prominent in the bachelor world. Come from CAITLYN season. Yeah, she had she had a hall of fame class between obviously nick and Shawn the end, but Tanner Jared Ben. Higgins like really had guys that went on to stay like in the Bashar world, obviously like between Bennigan's being the bachelor and Tanner Jared both marrying people from the bachelor world, so it was cool. Seeing everybody's Kinda like origin stories. Sort of it was funny like I on Tanner Day and get a lot of screen time, which is fine because Tanner Dan get screen time during Kaelin season, which is funny because I. I Love Tanner and I remember watching Caitlyn season. Being like this guy is funny. He was very. It's funny because he's very dylan esque. Would I think he and Dylan are very similar where they had good maybe one liners here or there throughout their season the Bachelorette, but didn't really get any full attention, and then went to paradise and lucked out big time finding their their fiance or wife and so. It was cool to watch auto. Cool to watch jared, even though watching jared and Ashley afterward talked Chris Harrison was so awkward. I felt my soul left my body during that. Yeah, endless to me, love Ashley and Jarrod so much I'm so happy that they're together. They are great people. They've been great to us. They've come on the show. But I just felt like this interview. As a whole was so freaking, awkward because I felt as if jared was trying to overly compensate for what Chris Harrison was saying am I did feel like Ashley was okay with it, but whenever somebody makes it awkward before. It awkward. It automatically looks bad on Ashley like the fact Jared kept saying like being hesitant and Ashley being like no, it's fine. You could say fine, but nobody's GonNa believe you now. Because jared had just turned to you made it seem like it already wasn't time. Yeah Yeah it was. It's funny, because we always watch TV, and that was one of those moments where you. Sit back and you're like. Wow, you know. This is their ma- their real life married and I guess you know technically and their mind. CAITLYN isn't ex. Sort of. You! Who Likes to talk to their wife about their ex girlfriend? See Yeah. Senior South I, WanNa know what you. Think about it in real life turns because we do view it as the Bachelor universe where it's just crazy, shit show, but think about sitting down with your now wife or husband, and being like all right. We're GONNA Watch v V with one of my exit on national TV like that most awkward thing. All by the way once we get done watching it, they're gonNA throw us on a live feed, and we're GONNA. Get asked questions about it like that is yeah. That's got gotta be the hardest thing so there is really no good way to do it. Graboy was the Ashley and Jarrod extra awkward so awkward. It was also very funny, because everybody had great inscribed stories during all this. If you were following all of them, watching like Ashley and Jarrod both ashy was posting from earlier than earlier in the day of her, watching it, and jared Kinda like popping in and out of the room, and jared kind of getting flustered and jared's Kazan Caitlin and they're all watching and then. In Ashley's is mom than started watching with them as she was filming, her mom and her mom was like this is weird. I don't like issues like she was like a mad at jared for like I shouldn't be mad. I'm at you. It's it was. It was very funny to watch was also find watch. Caitlyn sit in. Jason's mom. Jason's Parents House and watch the whole season with with Jason's mom, which was just hysterical. I, mean obviously. At the end of the day, you just have to be happy that they're like all on a great place where they can watch this run and laugh and be okay with it and know that everybody's happy now. But, how weird was it? The and Caitlyn? Thing I obviously. But boy, it is still there's I would imagine there's a reason they never did it again. So strange having the guys pull up in the Limos and having the two girls standard. You gotTa pick a side. I was shot I still can't believe they did that. Even you know they did that and that's disgusting. Really I mean you automatically you're. You're pitting two girls against each other and nobody wants that nobody wants to be compared to another another woman so to automatically do that. Right off. The BAT IS A-. Gosh I felt so bad for both of them Even, even though they both. They signed up for it. They I guess if they didn't want to do that and they really felt uncomfortable with it. Then they have not done it, but they want the Bachelorette, somebody got. They didn't really give them a choice. It was like if you want to be the Bachelorette. have to do it and. The whole other aspect to it that I think would have. would just never work. Now were which is probably why they weren't able to do it again. Thank God was like. The the voting process like if you have. If you're seeing all these guys, vote saying. I think it was majority Caitlyn, but there was people that voted for like jared voted for Brit So. So. It's a very funny thing and so uncomfortable and awkward and bizarre, because the people that vote for the person who ends up not being the Bachelorette. You're like Oh. Are you even going to like other? Even want them to be talking about here for the wrong reasons like you don't even want this person to be the bachelorette which is. So fucked up when they did it and really like. I! Don't know what exactly the breakdown of votes was. I can't remember, but if that was to happen and say, it was like really even an and somebody wins by like two votes. That's a a an insane amount of people who did not want this person to be to be on the show. It was just it was such a fucked up concept, and obviously the only ever did it for the Bachelorette they never did for the bachelor and it was. I'm glad that they never did that again and it was. It was really. Just. Trust me it wasn't. I I will say it was mean very mean, but seeing the way this is gonNA is GonNa. pull out some heartstrings seeing the way. Sean booth reacted off the how badly he wanted to Kaitlin. Trent decided to take a sign out for that. The way he reacted to Kaitlin, and he wanted her so bad, and it was just love at first sight. They were so happy together. It hurts a little bit. I knew. Booth back in the day. This was five years ago. Now I but I vividly remember tweeting about how much I love Sean booth. He's got great hair. It's like a tidal wave of hair every single time, and then seeing him again, knowing that you was going to end up winning the season. Obviously, we know now that they didn't end up working out, but just seeing Sean booth again. It gave me butterflies. He's my best of all time on this show. He's just. He seems like such a great guy. He also has the. Twitter this to. He's literally j Perry from Speed Alabama. He has that same voice like the kind of like that southern drawl and Steve and it's sexy and he talks in your slide slightly drooling. And even though we liked during the time, I could not have been more I I loved Sean. We all love we love Caitlin Sean Lumpkin John Together obviously that did not work out. Couldn't be more obviously on on inside. Throughout all this now, but it was. It's a different. Feeling watching this one compared to sean lows, because you know that they ended up married and have lived happily ever after when you're watching. Kaelin and Sean Fall in love, but you know that they did not work out so. Sad, it made me sad about it sat in. It's how literally all a majority of the other seasons are going to go, so we kind of actually belt. Those to wear like the nick and Shawn thing at the time, and they shown through on on Monday, words like everybody was team sean literally every single person. So for Nick you know he was. He's very clearly the villain and yet sean and Caitlyn working out, but boy. They had a hell of a run on that season. Yeah! The guys from this season like you said so many great ones so many hilarious ones like clint and Jj were very very funny on that season Clint. Famously pen the villain's Guy Villains GONNA, Bill Line or whatever you know. Rebels Got Valer some something along those bills. BILLS GONNA BILL VILLAINS VILLAINS GONNA vail something like that and. Yeah. Yeah you know it's and. Yeah. In Ian absolutely ripping caitlyn apart like he was gross, that was. Sad to see, Kayla did say instagram that he had apologized in the future, but pretty pretty pathetic, but obviously this whole thing was focused mostly on neck. Coming in late. fucking Shit Up. Have fucking and fucking. CAITLYN's. Physique like extreme connection with him a really looking back. It really was so crazy busy CAITLIN got. Absolutely destroyed for that Galen was. People, said demeanor should about Caitlin because of her up with Nick that night and I think a lot of it had to do with. Obviously, Sean had one like every woman's heart in America. So, how could you do that to Sean and It turned into the whole thing, but you know Kaelin had a series attraction to him. Jazzy expressed that like maybe in the moment is what she wanted looking back. Maybe she wanted done it. WHO KNOWS BUT It makes me so mad that people gave her shit because I know this live and let live tweeting it at this. I'd be like yes. Caitlyn. Go Bank vile, even if she. I like Sean because. I root for people who do what they WANNA do like. She wanted to write off Nick Vassar. She sucked him like I laid that on the bachelor. There's this kind of Oh. You have to wait till fantasy suites, and then this whole thing when in real life. You want a bang someone. You're GonNa Bang them before the quote, unquote fantasy sweet. And you can just ended showed obviously than it did get a lot of backlash at the time, but it also shows like you can. There are no rules on this show. The legitimate earn rule if you WANNA, sleep with nick by all. And where were they? Were they in Ireland I can't remember like if you have an awesome day drinking whisky. Go ahead and sleep with them if you want that's. An season now it wouldn't be a big deal at all. I will say it's discussing how they played the noises like maybe they could play to music instead, but they decided to Kim. Is just really they were everyone just kissing or fucking new IOS noises. Here I think I. Want to repeat it, but say say the Knicks says I, WanNa. Know every part of you and. Yeah. He did say that Oh. And even the look at Games when they're out to dinner and. They're both kind of agree to like. Hey, let's take this to to my hotel Nikko. Yeah, it's just. Just, yeah, I suppose order, but it's just having. You'll need to see as much as they did exactly. Right. You know invasion of privacy I know they're on a show, but if to others who are legitimately having sex, they're not porn stars. They don't WanNa be felled. You could say that they weren't expecting here. Because up. Until that point, it had always been fantasy suites, and when they do fantasy suites. They cut the mikes pretty early. When the door closes, maybe off guard, but they didn't have to put it in, but boy did that. They did you know after watching Hennessy's season? We know how everybody said. You Know Kate Kaelin. Walk so Hannah could run which we all remember that very clearly now watching kittens edens killing season back. And then. Chris Harrison did not hesitate to make it known how heartbreaking. The proposal was. For Nick. Like he said as he was getting in the car like I'm the world's biggest joke is at this point now. This is happened to him twice and been on TV twice. He. Obviously like. I think a lot of the rules have been thrown out now for current seasons. Back then. And back then five years ago, it just people I feel like the bachelor. The bachelorette really Kinda of trying follow the rules more. is an I remember thinking in. Kaelin not interrupting Nick. After he gave that whole his whole speech and he's literally about to propose, and he's like pulling the ring out. She's like stop, but she he already talked for so long. And now we're used to seeing the bachelor. The bachelorette kind of cut them off and like say something, but in the in the earlier seasons that was just like the rule. The rule was that you had to let them give that whole speech before you can say anything that happened many many times so watching it back now. It's like Oh God. You really wish Kaelin was just like our neck like. It was a better speech than I remember to. Lord his fucking heart out, and she was like you are not the one. Went on. INSTAGRAM. Live with Nick. Fran went on for a little bit, and then he called me so then I had to go on to tell him he was fucking wrong. My Name's not MIA. and. He said he was doing not because I was chirping him on twitter and then he said that he was GonNa make me cry. Watching his proposal on I was like maybe I do cry a lot of TV, but I don't know because. You're Nikki and. You don't really make me cry. But I will say I got a little teary eyed hearing him say that I'm the biggest joke in the world. That's died. And was sad to watch. I'll be honest like. He probably did think he had it in the bag. For sure so it makes sense you so upset. I dislike them so much that season and I had thought. I thought so much I just like I I was just so mad that whole thing I thought. He came back away later I text with you guys and I thought he came back with like three or four guys. There were like ten guys now he it was. It was a lot and. You know what also ended because looking back. I can think about how I felt way more during it and. It wasn't as much that I disliked nick, even though I had watched Andy season, everything was not a huge fan, but. I think it was just because from the get go. You knew Sean Caitlyn where the one like it was just so obvious. That Sean was the guy and. When he came in I was like he was ruining my fairytale of watching Caitlin and. That's really why I had more of a dislike from. It wasn't as much of hit at him as nick. It was more like you're about to fuck up. CAITLIN and Sean and I. Don't want that to happened and you. You talk a little bit. How it was more rule bound back then. Thinking guy coming out of nowhere, not being there the first night coming out of the Limo to to Ceylan a guy is showing up in another country or wherever they were being like. Hey, will you add to your season? That seemed like completely out of bounds. I think if that happened now people will be more open to because like you said. The rules have sort of gone away back then. That felt like a complete violation. Yeah, it definitely dead. We didn't even get to see Shawn's proposal which obviously? was on purpose. Because you know they're not together now. Kaelin and think. Maybe it'd be different if Caitlin wasn't. In relationship, obviously very happy with Jason now and. Maybe they would have shown it if that wasn't the case, but they did not show it. I personally was happy about that because I didn't I didn't WanNa. Watch it like that I. Remember Bawling My eyes out during that proposal and I didn't want to do not need to. Don't watch it again. Obviously, it feels like you're what you watch. An entire movie miss last ten minutes, and that's that I know people kind of feel that way about it, but I. don't know the only. The only reason. I thought they would show, and why one of them to show. It was because we're already down the rabbit hole watching the season like we already talked about how awkward it is watching. Jared and Caitlyn make out or Ben Higgins and Caitlyn making out like where it's not like. We didn't know that she was already involved with other people. It just felt strange to show all the story and not show the part where. She was proposed. Do I can understand what you're saying for an where she's in a relationship with Jason Very happy they don't WanNa. See that emotional proposal but I think we were already at a point where we're watching Kayla. Try to find love, and then we just don't watch the last part yeah yeah. I was upset by it. I had never seen the full proposal. And CAITLIN and Sean being happy together in the end, but I do understand you know help weirded would be actually to show the whole thing. It'd be like well. I've your later earnings it. Jason actually if you remember Jason from different season now, man. which they do anyway, which was really really exciting to see for many reasons we love Jason Caitlyn together. They're great people and they are just a great couple. It's so amazing to see how happy they are, but also because Chris Harrison asked Caitlin to be on dancing with the stars, which is something. Caitlin has been wanting forever as she tweeted a while back that you know it was. was offered her Mike Fleece, said she can't do it and let other people on the show. We, we know Hannah Brown was on last seen last season, and she wanted that was amazing, but now it's Caitlyn's turn to get that mural. Yeah, it was at the time it was fucked up because she had publicly said he contracts. Everything was done, but Mike came came down from. You know his. Power his. You know, power trip and was like. He didn't want people to think that. The. People on the bachelor were just there for fame. Therefore, they couldn't go on dancing with the stars because it would look like they were just looking for more fame, but that was bullshit because. Sean Sean Lowe was on dancing with the stars. I'm pretty sure. Nick was on dancing with the stars. Of Souls I believe. Wasn't he a Wisit Chris Am I was it? Was it was it sean low or was it both they both could have been on dance curtis. Your crystals was crystals. I definitely was I. do remember some kind of Iowa dance now that I'm that I'm thinking about it like a corn one corn. Jessica farmer and there is corn. It was Iowa all. Me I was like what's okay. One dance I grew, I grew up there and I've never done the corn Corn Dance Sean Law was also on dance with the circus. Yes. But I think. I, Think Melissa from Jason Season was also on dancing There's there was a a a history of people being on dancing with the stars. From this show. It seemed like they just blocked Caitlin. For Very petty reasons but broke that news. It was amazing. She was so surprised they were both so excited. I really thought I had no idea what I was gonna say i. what Caitlyn said was what I thought Chris was going to say like I thought Chris was going to be like. Do you want to be my co-host? I didn't know what was I was like. What can you possibly have to offer now? Filming anything like nothing's going on, and they're obviously teasing it like Jason's going to propose to you or something like that. We knew that wasn't going to happen, so I mean I. was in your boat I had no idea what what he was going to say to her, but the dancing with the stars was cool to see how excited she got about it. Yeah, I can't wait to vote for her and she's going to be so good. She is a great dancer She has the skill she's going to be great. Jason did say I think yesterday or today. That ABC did like the producers did ask him if you wanted to propose on the show, not like A. You and propose on the show which is asked like. Oh, you, would you wanNA propose like up totally up to you would be great tv but up to you. And a he decided against it, which was very smart. I think that would have. That's just you don't need to start your your life together and your marriage on the tail end of watching her like fall in love with somebody else. That would have been pretty. That would've been very bizarre. I'm very glad that they did not do that. Me Too. I think that they will have some extravagant proposal. Maybe even coming soon. I feel like Jason might do it sooner than later kilns. Birthday is on Friday or thirty did say they ended on her instagram that they have a ring picked out exactly so I feel like it may be coming sooner than we think. especially you know good news. After good news, the stars offset proposal comes out on what else did I got to do right now to be honest. But yeah, it would have been extremely strange, and although I would have congratulated Obama would been like. Attacking guys little tacky. How how sweet would it have been? When Chris Harrison was like? So, how did this relationship start with you guys? If Jason was like well I want on the the office podcast and Kayla went on the the office podcast. I was like no tweeted out old clips of US talking to them about it and Jason Did tweet back that we are invited to the wedding. He put it in writing I. Mean Kaelin has said it to us on her podcast before, but it's a whole different ballgame when it's in writing. We have to bachelor weddings to go to, and it feels fucking amazing right like. How! Are we swing this and we know we're getting Trent to. At least one of them, Dylan, and Hannah are have to have Trent bear unlike tyler said as his date No, there's there's no way you can't be dancing up a storm out of bachelor. Wedding I mean Oh. Gosh I'm? Selling premiered ear off. Here, we come. We don't even know where the wedding. That is truly it'll be a dream. Come true like getting. Really, will be a dream. Come true. We gotTA Hannah Dylan when they get married. If we can walk their wedding right like God, forbid God forbid. These couples. We can't let that happen. No, so. As we can do. Bats are wedding exactly? Okay I think the last thing I want to talk about. I. Don't know if this is what you were going to say. Okay Hannah. an-and, yes. The last thing I want to talk about is Chris Harrison, having hand, and and Madison Video Colin there in separate places, but the cost gather. To basically just ask them a string of super uncomfortable, awkward questions and It, was it was there? I feel bad for Chris Harrison because he. Right! Now you know thrives off the draw. No, you listen. Thrives off the drama like loves drama right now. They're clinging to Peter so hard. It's like just let him go. LET HIM GO Else for him to focus on so Chris Harrison just keeps trying to make this Peter. Drama continuing. It's just like time to free. Up asking these poor girls about Peter, when he is in a relationship with somebody else in the week before like I, said, I did not watch, but I I'm talking. Barb on they had. They had Kelly on so yeah, they're really trying to Chris. Harrison tried to really get not a sin to talk shit about bar like he was like we had Bar- bond. She did it. Kelly chant. Like what do you have to say about Libya? Who so she? Just? He was really twist in the knife back question, I. Agree with because saying there are. There are things that Madison wants to say about barb that she has not said and likely. If you're Chris. Harrison you at least shoot your shot and be like gas i. just never expected Madison to answer like she was never going to answer truthfully. You can't expect somebody to answer. You can't shoot your shot on that question. I agree with on that like if you, if the the amount shit that bargains talked. I. Applaud Madison for not saying anything because it would be really hard to so i. do understand Chris Harrison one hundred percent being like. To say that because that would have been great fucking TV although the asking if Peter. Taking Peter Back. Would you guys taken back was a ridiculous question straight up. That's the on Chris. Harrison should have never left his mouth. It yeah the state in their bundled up. You can think about it because I know what he meant by being like Peters jumping all over the place. Maybe he wants Madison back maybe one time and back. Will you guys take him dumb? fucking question ever thinking. They would say yes. I always a filler question and one to roll up like you did. SHOULDA framed it. As should've framed as like you know Peter and Kelly. They're together now. And? Maybe just kept it like about them. Personally is, are there any? Are there any new love interest in your lives? Ladies like they didn't need to go back to Peter Anything else would have been way way juicier the not Hanane says her DM's are open. She is hands really basking in a single life I actually appreciate honesty. She was all like my teams are. Playing the field you never. Do. Hear them, say Oh, I'm single. Yeah. She's she wants those. Look I would have rather Chris Harrison acid about Selena Gomez. Bowie way more interesting. yeah, but it seems like we're going to continue to get these obviously live or not I mean they're not live, but these conversations between. Past people for next week. They were teasing like we're GONNA have a Livia Caridi on for the first time in four years like Chris. I love you but like. A Livia has been on podcast I think she has her own podcast. Like is only Libya has gone dark for four years. He's been her. She's coming back like we've heard from Libya so the way they tease it. I was like I. Don't know that's that was not going to sell. It didn't actually happen, but the most awkward part of the night would have been when they were talking to nick file and I thought they were GonNa read those love letters I thought going to happen and I was ready. Thank God. I wasn't gonNA turn my TV off, but I would have. I would have held it in my hand being like I want to turn my tv off because that would have been. Yeah. It really would have it now. That would have been tough. Also shout out, I. WanNa give to shots the bends from that season Ben Z. I. Forgot about him I fancy. Girls were in love with. I was I was I loved Benzine. He was at the beginning. Here's my number one guy on the show. Wow, I, forgot about him. He was a nice guy, very good, looking guy, and then obviously been H. I think I gave Ben h of a hard time when he was bachelor, I thought it was a little bit boring, but I had forgotten about how sweet he was to Kaelin during that season he was, he was just the best. He's the no one. No one has a a bad thing to say about. Ben Higgins and you'll never be able. Find somebody who does he's just. He's just a sweetheart. He doesn't have a bad barn. His body that guy. Is just a real nice guy. Yeah, exactly. I will finish saying obviously I think people thought. Maybe we were GONNA GET A. Update from Sean Booth we didn't, but he did post on his social media that have had everybody freaking out that he had a new person in his life, and some people freaking out, but He just got a new puppy puppies very cute. I will say golden retriever puppy very very cute, but that's what's going on with Sean I guess. The. I mean in true bachelor fashion. They had us all jacked up about a new. Maybe a new girlfriend or something new dog dog is important I do. Not Important, but. People thought it was going to be a person. Definitely definitely, so we didn't hear from Sean I mean obviously. There's a lot with the Sean and Caitlyn relationship that I feel like none of us know and none of us will ever know like even my mom text me and was like what happened with them and I was like. Honestly don't even really aren't really know just it just. It just didn't work out. Just didn't work out, not meant to be just fine. Because I truly think Halonen Jason are meant to be so. It makes sense a Roy woman, Shaw and I tweeted I. Will just enter the segment. Just add what try being like. God I really liked turn I think who likes them. Because he had a crush on sean although loved. You love doodle. That's true, but maybe maybe that's it love dogs. I feel like he and Sean. Booth loves dogs I just feel like that kind of sucked you in a little bit. More people were mad at me. I will say I. I don't even Sean. Booth and I didn't even mean it in a way. It came across rivals like I'm picking Sean over Caitlyn I. Meant to just be like I. Remember this season so fondly and I want everyone to know that I really do love Sean booth. You'll see. Trends on his love for Sean. People were just upset that I thought it was picking sides against Kayla, I love Kaelin too I. Think she's maybe the Bachelorette ever and but i. just you know it was just a really good. Friend I respect how open you are for your love for Sean. Toll Rice I'm sure if I watched the season I would love to. If they were, they were great on the show they were, but at the from what I saw I really liked him. Yeah. I text you guys instead I'm about five years too late to the CAITLIN. Yeah. Definitely definitely were. And like I said didn't work out, but we love Jason so much, so it doesn't even it doesn't really. Matter was fun to go down Memory Lane, but for for Ceylan adjacent to be like just so happy their lives right now. It makes me so happy because we will. Just I mean we're Tko until we dive, so it's it's. It was fun to watch but I'm glad that they're. They're in a good place now and then I guess next week. Is Ben Higgins. Right Yup beliefs. Oh, yeah, that'll be a good one too I don't know if that's one I'll watch live love Ben Higgins, but three hours of that season I. Don't know. It was a good good cast. Though, right, it was a great cast, and it was a good season, but Three hours. It's long man. It's really like watching the next day without commercials is. Really, Nice also felt good live tweeting again I. Feel I haven't really lied. Tweeden wild but! I don't know I don't know. About ten twenty, the other night I looked at the clock and I was like man I'm hitting a wall I got. Past ten o'clock, it was ridiculous. It is obviously a summer. That looks very different right now. Festivals weddings just hanging out with friends. All seems like things the past, but just because our plans might change doesn't mean our summer is canceled. It's still out there. We just have to work a little bit harder to make those summer moments happen. 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Yes! That is also true, but there it's it's a you know way more fun to watch these conversations I feel like like you said you're straightforward. You say it like it is. How did you were curious? How did you kind of get involved with Beverly Hills? Did they reach out to you or you? Did you think Oh my God? I can't do this. Yes above, yes, they came. They came around a couple of years ago and I thought it wasn't right. My kids were really young and it just the timing wasn't right for me so that this time around they came around again and I thought you know what? Maybe, my manager was like I'm just letting you know, but we're gonNA, pass on this right and I go, wait wait give me a mobile. Let me sleep on it and I did and I thought you know what I'm always up for new challenges in doing things different. And so I thought why not shoots in La which is big for me, because as an actress, always away and my kids. Are you know at an age that I really WanNa be around and so I thought why not shoots La a lot of obviously I know the women. But I'd never done reality so once I said yes, I was like what the hell did I just do. You know now. There's cameras in my house and this was in my car. My kids are getting my twins. Sometimes, they don't WanNa be and so. I got a bribe them. So a lot of things went through my mind, but you know so far so good, so you said that you knew the women. Did you know them from watching the show or did you know them from being in Hollywood? From being in Hollywood I also knew Denise Richardson. I've been friends for eighteen years in also Lisa arena, because everybody knows these Renna but we've known each other for a long time and Kyle. I see you know out and about and Eric I didn't know and I did not to reader. Yeah, I, mean I feel that there's teddy I'm so sorry. Yeah. There's so many you can't. Be The righteous. Yes. Yeah. That's no shave by the way. This. Yeah I. Feel like it's it's crazy. Because you must know them in a way different light than we all do even if we watched the show because you're seeing behind the scenes aspect of it. Do you think that? It was like you expected. or way different or to put it to put it in better terms, what is one thing that is extremely different than you expected and one thing that is like exactly alike. Okay, so I thought for sure it's scripted somehow. There's definitely things are GonNa want you to do, but the only think they want us to do is hang out is together. So at the scene the scene right so we just just say you're going to have lunch today with this person so and so's having a party in a couple of weeks. That's really it. Everything else is driven by the women which I was surprised that. and the thing that's exactly what it is is that you gotta? Keep your guard up because they will throw you under the bus in a heartbeat. One Minute? They're laughing hanging out on you and then it's like remember you said this about run on. I'm like Oh my God. We're just having a good time. So your guard up right right? That is very funny, because I feel like you know, you said you knew denise. Yue New lease and Were you surprised with how they acted on camera was in. Different than how you knew them off camera. Denise is exactly the same on camera. I see okay. This. Switch. A little switch or not, but right what I think Renna does. She owns who she is. Which I love, you know what you're getting into but I think on the show. Everything's a little bit more ramped up. I think we're all who we are, but heightened version of it. Right I feel I. AM right as expected. You're putting on a show. We we talk about all different reality. TV shows and we kind of say this for every cast member. It's like you need to remember. If you were on a reality show, how would you act? Would you ride you? Sit around and be like boring or youth. Give the people what they want. Right exactly right, we always. We always joke that the people who go on reality TV, and then get that boring label. Probably just laid back in normal and then for reality TV. It's boring. That's that is true. You know that's where the draw comes from when you have those conversations when you're sitting down and you. Lisa wren is like well except you said this two weeks ago and you're like Oh. Man Come on and then. They roll the tape exactly and then you're like Oh. Wow, I did say that. Yes. How so when you had? When you decided you were going to do this. What kind of like did you have conversation with your with your boys? Because obviously there are part of it, and also you talk about during your whole introduction as a as a person, the show you talked about your your marriage or divorce and kind of everything that went down I. Remember you saying you know that you try to kind of keep a lot of that drama from your boys. Do they watch the show. Do they not watch the show? Know well okay, so yes I didn't have to have a conversation with the reality. Show that I'm willing to do and explained it all to him. In the first thing they said was a we getting paid. We're only in it for them. And I was like no, you're not I am. You're like well. MOM's getting paid. From me, yes, exactly, so then of course I had to speak to their dad because we parrot and I was really. Fortunate that he was okay, and he supported me in letting the voice beyond the show has also. This show is really about the women and the kids come in here and there so the boys don't watch the show unless. They're in a scene in all. Just you know I'll just put it on that scene in there watching them to walk away, so that's that's the only time they watch it. There's a lot of inappropriate stuff on the show. We talk about you know a lot of. They can't talk about. So that was that and I can't remember the rest of the questions are. Oh now I can't remember that I said. Just, just it was it was you answered? It was based on the question. Did you speak with the boys about you? Know your your. Marriage and divorce being oh. Yes, so. Chuck what before the show aired? I actually sat them down because they didn't know and said. A lot of things are gonNA. Come out that you don't know about. Let's talk about it and I think. Kudos to me in my case I have to say that because they were like. No, it's okay we don't. We don't really need to know like I said you have any questions. After I said it and I thought wow, I guess really they don't WanNa see their dad in a different light and made it so okay for them as that. We're still a family that I think they were like. We're okay. We like things the way they are. That's what about. Like friends parents. That's a different story. Only I've always wondered the reaction just because I mean I. Don't know some of them. I think if you're in La. In Hollywood I'm. And then some of them are just. Yeah and that's what I was afraid of that. You know their friends. Parents were going to say something to them, or their friends are watching the show and some other friends do watch the show, and so I'm sure. Things are GONNA seep in here and there, but so far so good. They're only care about video games. Well they care about. Me Up with their youtubers. They're like mob. You should marry this person. Won T. You'RE GONNA be you're going to be set up with some tiktok stars exactly. Right that also such a, it's such a good. It's such a good funny thing to think because. They're young and when you're that young everybody over like eighteen seemed so all. They're like they're like a mom. They're fine like it's probably good. Extension marry him. Honestly didn't even think about that like when you're young and you just think over certain age is like Oh, yeah, this person ever gripes I remember when I was younger like twenty five was the end all be all for me -actly exactly it's it's very funny, but honestly this this season has already been pretty drama filled on knocking allied obviously this the second half the coming attractions. Girl, unbelievable as well I WANNA talk to you first about what has already gone down because. We have seen I think really who's taken the most of it. The beginning of the season has been. Kyle and Kyle was on our show a few weeks ago and we had said to her. You know what how how how have you thought of the new women to well I? I liked Carcelle, but she has said some things about me since then and I. I'm just curious like. Where did the problems with Kyle start? You know what's so funny. I mean. The with Co wasn't even really about Kyle. What I was saying across the board? I is that I would say thanks to. To them and I wasn't sure if they were afraid of twitter me being the first black woman, they didn't really want to go after me, so I would say things and it never landed with anybody and I felt like it never really landed with Kyle. Would say tell me how you feel it that we hear her? Say My name off. You know like if we were a denise's dinner. And so she was like I feel like everybody's fake ass bitch and then I would say. Oh, tell me did I do something like no I. Don't want to single you out, but I'm like. Tell me tell me you know what I want to do that. And then she would go off with Teddy and I would hear them. Say Ourselves, so that's how it started. And then she ran with it. You know my thing is I'm a grown woman. If there's a problem, come and talk to me and we could said and I felt like that was being done, so that's why I called out. And now they're. It's a runaway train that I can't catch. Reunion I'll catch up with her that he has a you. Guys haven't spoken since all this happened and the Oj of this show. You know how it works, you know this show is not about being friends and having by moment, so I'm surprised that she's so surprised. Right, right, there's. There's always been that element to to this show obvious. Exactly, right now that big a deal. It's like there's bigger things in the world to worry about than in Kyle. Her feelings of yeah, I'm sure by the time you guys get to the reunion like your pay is. He'll be a bomb. Blowout and they're gonNA love it because we watch reality, TV I'm sorry to say. But you know you're both going to say your side of it and I kind of understand what you're saying about the whole thing like not wanting to single you out because they're afraid of what people are GonNa, sound? And I was curious as to how you're handling just the criticism in general because you know with reality shows that there's always part for me. There's always a side there. It's never like everybody. It's like video is. Light bound sal. Hardest part for me. I have to be honest with you. everything else has been. You know like I said I'm a big girl. I've been around I. Get it, but the twitter world and taking sides can be really hurtful at times, and that's what I'm having a really hard time with that. You know sometimes I'll even stay away from twitter for a couple of days just because I. Don't want to deal with it and just because to me, it's not that serious. But we will take it so seriously and I get it. They're invested in the show clear invested in the women and you know been team. Kyle for a long time and I really don't want people to take. Take sides. It's just like. Just, enjoy the show right a female yeah! Part of the show, so that's a hard thing for me. Then you know I'd haven't I haven't said anything about her on twitter like I. Don't tweet. tweet my feelings about someone like if I'm talking to you in the blogs, pick it up. It becomes a headline. That's another thing that I'm realizing that. No matter what I say becomes a headline the next day right? I love that you said it's not that serious. That's something my boyfriend sesame all the time. Saying like he's just like it's not that serious. Really think about it and if you think about twitter in general like. This many people were never supposed to have access to our lives and to be able to give that opinion, so I mean twitter is. A disaster and It's I think it's smart to just like. Take a break once in awhile. Don't engage because there's no winning on night. There's no winning no matter what you say and the whole cancel culture. I get it. People get upset at other people for things, but we can't cancel people just because of one thing I feel like if you said something five years ago, now you're. It's hurt. It's come back to haunt. You and I feel like we're human. We make mistakes. We say stupid things and I hope we grow as we get older, so that's my opinion on that. Yeah, it's cancel cancel. Culture is very very prominent right now. There's people getting canceled left and right especially with Bravo, so it says yes sir careful. It's it's happening. It's happening a lot, but I mean it's. It's it is crazy. Social Media Aspect of obviously being on reality TV, but That much access. To other people. They think that they have a right to tell you how to how to live your life without it's obviously. Not Fair but What was it was GONNA? Bring so I wanNA talk about. An obviously you mentioned. You know you guys talk about it. inappropriate things. Sometimes. You don't want your boys listening to that. Yeah, where did you fall in the whole threesome conversation in front of Denise's kids situations? First of all those kids were not as close as they seemed right right. And it was. Very funny to see Denise's daughter. Be Like Mum. It's fine. It was funny. Exactly we were laughing about it which do. For me. Did, the conversation getting a little racy, but that's what happens. You know that's what happened. Adults are together, but I'm definitely in four like there are things you talk about in front of your kids there things you don't talk about in front of your kids so to me I'm definitely team denise on that I. Just feel like I don't understand why. Those women didn't get it. You know you're not gonNA. Talk about everything in front of your kids right you know. weirdly like kind of personal and at that that. Denise said like. Feel comfortable now bringing her kids around them right? Yeah, yeah, which that party was for kids I mean Kyle invited everyone's kids in my kids. As you saw, we're sitting in a rocking chair on their phones and I'm like move like why sitting here. But. Yeah I thought. You know what this genesis choice, so she does want to bring hits right and I. Wish you martyr kids. They would have been the same age as my kids, so they would have something to do. Wouldn't have bothered you right exactly what had so think? You're right. So I get it. GET IT I. Don't understand why. The women were making that such a big deal. Because if they were the same situation, they would have done the same thing yet. Definitely and I love to with I don't even where my kids are. Yes! She is always very good job of. Talking about being a mom and. Loving being a mom, but also saying like you don't have to come off is like the perfect mom 'cause nobody is yeah, exactly right exactly. At this point in time. Who would you say? You're the closest with out of all the girls I would say denise in Disorder Denise. Erica. And then after that it's kind kinda just a whole. Anyone the fight for fourth place. Exactly let the gates begin. We. Like friend mentioned, we talked to kyle weeks ago and she mentioned a group chat. Do you have your own group chat? No. We're all on the same group Jeff. Let me tell you it's been crickets lately. Nobody's anybody. Unless, they have a side one. That I'm not which probably That's the thing with grew chats. You'd never know when you get dropped out of them exactly. Exactly Avenue sneaky. That is very true, so we saw. We see the up and coming situation with what things things going down and a lot with brandy. Have you met Brandy Warrior thoughts on Brandy. I have met Randy. I. Feel like I met Randy years ago at a party something. I knew her ex husband. You know as an actor. I knew. Eddie and So, so when I met Randy, again was at Kyle Kyle has a charity party at her house, and so granny was there and that's when I met Randy again. I'll say we connected with brandy and whatever randy comes, you know that's when the music gets a little, doug the. A because you never know what she's GonNa do. She's true to her reputation. She loves drama. Chidi definitely started the whole thing this season with. Denise and apparently she has recedes I chose not to see the receipts because I wanna hear from Denise, you know I I feel like my loyalty is to Denise I. Don't Know Granny enough to say. She's definitely credible and I believe everything she says I'm not that girl so. I know as it develops will see really respect you being like I don't WanNa. See The receipts Ahmadou listen to denise because I feel like whenever receipts or dangled in anybody's faces. You're like. Let me see him I. Don't care which side I I wanna see but you have a loyalty to your friend, and I really respect that. Thank you, I mean I felt like if if I had known randy for a long time, if I felt like, she was really credible source than we'd like But I don't feel that way. Right? That's yeah, have you are old? Have you watched old episodes of the show ever like? Did you ever go back and watch old seasons I haven't no I haven't gone back and watch, but I've watched over the years, so I feel like a guy. You know some of the storylines. And the week before we premiere, they had sort of a marathon, so I watched. Some of those so I feel like. I caught up on the whole Know, Hopi Gay yet when I was watch what happens live and Andy Asteroid. Would you ever get a dog and Derby goes? Yeah, we talk about it all the time and I was like really. Enough Tom. Is there a statute of limitation of? The Dog. I'd unbelievable. Do you know Lisa? Vander pump at all or meant? Her was, and I have been to restaurants but I don't know her. I don't know her well same thing with us. We caught her outside the restaurant one. I do love her say by the way her Rosa is great, the restaurants good restaurants are great. They're they're. They're fun places we. Were such. We don't really spend too much time in L.. A. Were both based in New York, so we. When we do come to La. We do totally play a little bit of like. The tourist role were like Oh. We gotta go to Tom Tom. I get it I would do the same thing, too. That's funny. How York you guys with the whole? You guys are opening up now. Yeah, it's. It's strange when his actually among island yeah her boyfriend's house time I'm in the city and. It was my boyfriend's birthday the other day and we were just like what we. I couldn't figure out what to do, but we realized they're doing drinks to go so. And they're nine. Yen there's no open container. And Open Container Law. You can walk down Fifth Avenue with a Mosa. The leave walks around battery park city by the water, just with drinks in our hand and we were like this is actually Kinda. Nice I mean you can never do this in. New York City really, so that is nice. It's weird though there's so many people like. I don't want to get corona like duck on your. No kidding, no kidding. That's dot com house I'll laban, and how has been? How's it been being inside and like also being a show at the same time? How. How's Bravo dealing with that First of all? When we first shutdown everything, it was really hard for me because I'm a person who's always on the go and. For, the first few weeks I had time you know. There were days where I thought Oh. My God. Is this what life is going to be from now on? An F. freaked me out what I and I've adjusted definitely. But what I hate is the one woman production like doing my own lightning in my own damn saying I'm over it already. I'll. Get the corona. Somebody else can do my makeup. So Bravo Day we've only we've already done the host season, but it's just the interviews confessionals so now what they do is, they'll have one person. Come to your home. Set it up. They leave. Lead you our interview, and then that person will come back and gloves and masks in. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. We saw that with the vendor. Trump rules reunion. They did all all zoom. Do you think they're gonNA, do that for? God, not I hope not I hope not. We need to be face to face. I think you're also needs to be face to face. and. You know there's the zoom. Communication is great by definitely for one game. It's not the same like watching reunions I for shows that are. They had to film their reunions obviously during this during this time it, it's definitely not the same as not as confrontational right exactly. What are you gonNA Close Your lab? You're upset. Rips Out Mike exactly exactly. Yeah? Hopefully, it'll be able to go ahead REA-. Yeah, now that you've you know you've got one season under your belt. How do you feel about going forward? And do you see yourself sticking around in this franchise for longer? Of that's a very good question. It depends on the J.. You know I'm GonNa. Get through the reunion and go from there. Yeah, that's. On us on our toes I like it right right right keeping us. You're right. Yeah, yeah! Makes Sense now you have your beautiful podcast setup there. You know you have your own show now. Your all your gas. You tell us about that tells. How is it going where you know how what days comes out and everything where people can follow it i? Love that. Okay, it's called. Go into bed with Garcia at how this thing happened. Like what before quarantine? Once a month? That would have either on Sundays that would have girls day or sometimes I would invite couples and we'd sit around. We drank gossip it always sex always comes up right. After every time I do this, somebody goes to me. This is a show. Why aren't you doing this? So when we decided to go into bed as a podcast like all right, let's do it so what we do. It's all sexual topics you know we talk about everything and what's really been fun. People are like wow, this is so refreshing yourself bench, and then in the middle of the night I will wake up and go. What the Hell am I doing I'm saying. I'm talking about. Why am I so old men? But it's been really fun. It's you can get anywhere. You listen to podcasts, and we usually drop a new one on Wednesdays, and what I do is do a celebrity friend and a real friend that way you know, we can talk about anything and it's been really really fun. It's been really great. We've had great guests and. I love doing it. It's really a fun thing for me to do. That's really fun. And I feel like everyone. Has that I don't even know what to related to. I. Guess, it's like. I. Don't know when you when you do something, and it feels really good in the moment and you're like I. Love this and then for a second. You're like wait I just that. I just say that. Talk about threesomes. Yeah it so great for the listeners because they just want people to be real about it, and they have a place to you know, get tips and somebody who's on such a big TV show. They're like I'M GONNA. Listen to this woman. Yeah it's been really really really fun and everybody walks away saying. Wow, you know. It's so great to be so honest and talk about anything feel like this is a destination where women can come together and talk openly about sexual anything or your body's and We talked about the other day has any can I say for China? Yes. Say Anywhere. You want understand. Seen, your vagina and I was talking to the Bella twins, and they said not only have we seen hours. We've actually looked at each other like well, there's. That's don't twins. They're twins and they're probably curious if they're Regina's look, exactly the same. Identical. That's hilarious and honestly I'm really glad I got that answer because I've been wondering not about points right exactly. You can check that off your list. Birth. That is so funny. Of course, we also everything that you've been posting on your social. Obviously, there's so much going on the world end you. You posted. You're taking your boys to. A protest. Yeah, can you I know I just went very serious afterwards. Went for my. Giant as to protest, I honestly am imprint. Do it all your. MYSELF PODCAST! That was an unbelievable. SEGUE. So I was just curious like how you have discussed this with your boy is in how involved you like? They have been 'cause i. just it's a whole different perspective for me. Seeing young people talk about it, but then I love seeing how parents talk to their kids. Obviously, we know Brian I. Don't have children, but it's just like the Educating the younger kids is where change abby made. Yeah, absolutely It's been a conversation that I've. I've had with my kids forever. You know my older son Oliver. He's Twenty Eight I've always been afraid that you know. Be careful of the cops. You respectful when you're you know pulled over for anything and just a few months ago, I was driving with Jackson. He was in the back seat, and I got pulled over because I didn't see that you could make a right on this street that I've been making a right on forever. Right, and so the cop pulled me over and he couldn't have been nicer. And I was definitely very respectful, and making sure that he knows okay I'm going to reach your my license now. You know things that we black people have have to be careful because our situation is different, so my boys have always heard me talk about being respectful cops, and also just the way of the world what it is right so. When the George Floyd thing happened in made everybody stopping I feel like it happened at the right time, because had we been going about business as usual, people wouldn't have paid attention, so and protests wouldn't have been this big so me taking the voice to protests with something that we had to do. We just couldn't sit at home and watch it. We had to do we we. We marched for the women's movement, so and they were really little didn't get it, but this time they got it. They understood you know and I think. It's a conversation that we all need to have with our kids because they're the future. You know like classic twenty. Twenty can vote in that. That's who we need to reach so for meeting being out protesting with them and seeing. All diversity you know seeing all walks of life. You know why Chinese everybody came together and to me. That was really cool. And one thing that I loved to testing people who are in their cars, honking and putting their fists out of the window. Ch and I saw in the back seat of a car. A tiny little V. Been, or he had to abandon their car seat. I got goosebumps. Every time I said I was like. Wow, that's our future. You know the fact that kids are getting it so early, so that hopefully by the time they're adults, it'll be a completely different world. L. Didn't think I would end this interview in tears, but here I am. That's veggies sweet. Rian I have. Have loved speaking with you when we were really excited to talk to you. Honestly were you know not depress you already thing, but if you knew you, they give you another season, you should do stay. Really, said we, we really. We really love you on the show. Shaded. To come yes, definitely, obviously, there's GonNa be a lot of drama. Go down very excited to see you guys in Rome, I feel like. The girls trips are always vacation this season. Yes, were you? Were you nervous about going to Rome or were you excited? No. I was super excited. I was super excited because I was working a lot doing other projects, so I missed A. You know a few events so this one. I was excited. We're all going to be together for a long period of time. Shopping drink and I got to drive a Ferrari I. mean listen. Yeah, would that happened? It was awesome. Adding that well, we can't wait to watch. The, having on, thank you for coming and everyone go check out car sales podcast like she said. It's on all the platforms that you listen it not spotify whereas to bet with Carcelle. 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Sasheer "Feels Good" About Being A Movie Star In Quarantine

Best Friends with Nicole Byer and Sasheer Zamata

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Sasheer "Feels Good" About Being A Movie Star In Quarantine

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So maybe it's good that I had like A. Awareness that could happen. Yeah. I wouldn't mind going missing. You wouldn't mind I'm just looking for something fun to do. The scariest thing that my sister went through was she had to go to. Parts of South America for a trip and they were like Oh, and so you're going to also have to sign this kidnapping insurance and she was like. She's like calling. A kidnapping insurance. That's exciting. Through. All I was GONNA add which is a very different town is that idyllwild has a golden retriever for mayor? So that's money. Aspect. Town. Cute Dog, day. Mayor Mike. Dog, premier. Maybe that's why people go missing because the mayor's. His. Really Insane. House. The dog enforce more more. Police or safety if he's up. Here, we don't need more believe as true. Help you not go missing and they barely help after Hueco missing. Well, maybe they can help find people who are taking the people maybe we should have dogs them because they got the sensor dots. Yes. Yep. Okay. Okay. Didn't that mayor needs to replace the whole police force dogs. We says Kumble Circle and talk you've been listening to an episode of best friends but we're talking about dog mares. Dog Bears. I don't WANNA dog mayor. We actually enter this episode. No, this is it. This is what these. This is what the listeners deserve don't get. This is an episode of best. Friends. I'm Mehta. Nicole by putting on makeup. I am make up 'cause I got places to go people to see Things to do. Cars to drive. People wave at. Great but I'm doing just my eyes because I'll be wearing a mask all day Yeah, that's Laney Yeah. visor today. So people don't talk to me. The like clear. Front face one. Yeah. Well So. It's a whole ordeal. So I bought that clear for face one I waited all the way. You know it came from Bulgaria. It's bad. Then I bought another one that's attached to a hat it seem broken. Oh and I have to get some superglue seconds statistically the little knob back in the thing and I think it'd be fine and then I got another one but it's black so I like a future black person. Oh the the. Shield the shield is black. Yes. So A Sun visory thing for your whole face. I shouldn't say a future black person that I could see confused. It was. Really A. Really very, very, very cool seeing a future black people. There's a movie with Wesley Snipes where he's got blonde hair. And dramas like you look like Wesley Snipes and it really hurt my feelings because you have blond hair. Yeah. There's other people. You can looked any other like nice black woman to be like like Eva from top model. Marciel? Yes. He said Wesley Snipes and I was like, Golly, Chris Tucker from a was it. Also, element isn't everyone weird looking in the fifth element. Yeah. I guess. He called me Wesley Snipes. Lake I felt he was insinuating that look bad and like crazy but he does of bad and crazy. No, it doesn't I mean did do it myself? No, it looks good minister. Another reference point. Thank you. Okay you have to help me pick lashes should I do flirty? That's the top in troublemakers the bottom. I think flirting. Okay. Too Nice Chill Day hell. Yeah Dude. Trouble today. I am not trying to make trouble today. Oh maybe I am. Oh. Yeah. That's a good one. Thank you. For helping your friend. No problem. Would you have planned for today. Another podcast after the okay. What podcast girl It's okay. Don't strain yourself. We don't need to know is it are you doing more press for spree? Being a movie star in quarantine. Has Anyone asked you that question? Has, it feels stern warning. No one's asked that question well, I'll ask it because I'm a journalist who asks hard hitting questions. Thank you for joining us today. You're promoted movies. Spree I've seen it unsettling a nerve in your fantastic and what a treat. You like a movie star in quarantine. Well, thank you so much. It is really nice to do all the press at home and. And it's nice to have something out that people can see it feels like I'm. Doing stuff and have things happening. So you don't like leaving your home. I don't actually I really loving home I'm a homebody if you will I will. And it's to watch this this movie in their home So is that what you said when you started acting for everyone to stay home? Pandemic happening that everyone can stay homes really my dream. You know what I think. It'd be a really great interviewer that was a great interview. Yeah you're good you really. Last. Idea tone was very much like like. All right moving on. So what is the? Link that. was only using that tone because I feel like you don't have to have a good tone or like be likable when you're a journalist who writes. Right, because you're not gonNA to hear my voice, you're not gonNA. Hear my inflection you're not gonNA hear. How I've influenced the interview, you're only going to read the answers that I either have used up or transcribed. Incorrectly or transcribed verbatim and out of context of your of my like demeanor doesn't really make sense. Do you know what I mean? Journalism is very interesting. Yeah. Thankfully, all these interviews have been really nice. Yeah I haven't had any when asked anything crazy I mean a couple of were like. So you're a standup how are you dealing with not being on stage and I'm like poorly. The weirdest question because people have been linked you itching to get out there again I'm like I mean yes. But also now because I don't want to go out until it save but yet like I miss stand up and. I don't even don't know how I would do it right now I truly is almost like we have a vaccine and everything can open up tomorrow I would be pressed for ten minutes of material. Yes that I thought was In our but like. I need to. Figure out if it's relevant, you know yeah. Listening to talk in front of more Blake's. Rusty I think yeah. Last time we were in the park I was trying to talk to people and I was like God. It was hard to like talk to people I. Didn't now. Yeah. Oh Dang where was I oh, I went to strand no not strand skylight books on Vermont to sign a couple books that they had left of mine and. Like walked in had trouble. We I think we all have. We're having a little bit of trouble. Just, like speaking to each other, they were having trouble speaking one of customers is like books that I need this one. We're all doing poorly. This hard. Yeah. Year well. To think it'll be done soon. Now I don't. I don't doing and I really think back into this year is going to be uplifting. They're gonNA be like, no, we don't have A. Vaccine yet, but we are close. The election will said he's going to step in and be like you can't defend the post office before an election. That's going to be good for everybody. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It'll be good. I'm being optimistic and I refuse to believe that everything is gone to shit. I'll do the same. Thank you. We need more people to get on the positive bus. How I do? Sorry. Yes. We that like Earth, someone to screen a tweet. I just everything about the sweets. So finding someone I guess got engaged and they're like twenty twenty already been great year and now it's even better. Like what? But you have to remember some people have been having great years. Yeah. If you have a lot of money, this pandemic has an effect at you. The way it's affected a lot of other people very true. So like and then I was talking to Sam j yesterday and she was like you know instagram and some people are having summers as Leah Yeah. Some people had like springs to it's really crazy. It's crazy. I, guess if you're a rich person who like. Doesn't make their living performing in front of people and you can get all your private jet and go somewhere like you're probably having the time of your life like it's probably taking no time for you to go through immigration you're like bouncing from island to island you're saying day. Day like men me want to go home, you're like I won't go home because I I can be out I'm read. Everyone's been go home. Day like come. Everybody else go home. What would we be doing this summer? If we could do if the world was normal? This is gearing up to be like maybe the best year it's my life professionally. I think I would have. Never. Thought about, it. But I would've. I would've. I would've shot that pilot I probably would have figured out if it was going. I probably would. Sold or tape my special already. Probably would be like winding down from a project, and then I would probably be like, let's go somewhere and if you were free, you would probably be like, let's go somewhere. and. We probably have a really great time. We would be great. Yes I might crying because this is funny. Guy Yeah. Just thinking of like where we would be if we had. Not Live virus. Yeah. Yeah. If he would have been a really great year. Yeah. Also would have shot my special. I also would have shot that pilot. And it going or not. And we'd probably be on vacation. But you know here we are in La trying to be responsible. And I am like going back to work. But like we're having a whole fucking safety today and I think, that's smart. Yeah. Also, what are we gonNA talk about just like stay away from each other. I. Mean Unfortunately I had to reiterate people people aren't doing that. Yeah. Why are people so dumb? And I've been thinking about like the whole I mean like recently thinking a key I can't stop thinking about people being like wearing a mask takes away my freedom and I'm like, okay. But like literally during an airborne pandemic, why do you want people spitting on you because if the mask intrudes on your freedoms that means you don't want anybody in a mask and in Florida there's like sheriff who was like nobody wears masks in my station or whatever nobody and I'm like so why why do you want like? Even not in a pandemic. Maybe I'll wear a mask for a little late. In. crowded. So I'm not like having. A ton of germs on me it's gross. The way we live is rose I read this thing on instagram because I'm just on instagram sixteen hours a day now. Did you take away the thing that turns it off for you? Now. I still have it. So actually I'm like a little over two hours. Oh. Thank you so much? But this woman was saying she moved to Japan from America has been living there for years and even before the pandemic, they've been wearing masks because when they are sick, they don't want to get other people sick and she's like. Like that's So courteous in like that's just their normal. They're like, I don't know if it's allergies I. Don't know if it's if I'm sick or something else, but I'm coughing sneezing and I. And we're in a place where we are in crowded places. Most of the day I'm GONNA put a mask on to protect my community and she's like that's normal over here. Why. Is it that? When Americans are asked mass, they're like they can't think that this is Kgo helping other people. They're just thinking of how it's inconveniencing that but it's also not an inconvenience we were mass for three hours may drove to and soupy Lupis. I just don't get it like I can breathe normally I. Think you can't breathe normally in a mass. There's other things wrong with you. Yeah. But there's always videos of nurses who have like eight mass. That's what I mean showing there like how how they're breathing rate and they're like I breathe normally and afterward this twelve hours a day. Yeah I, think it just. Makes it a little harder but like in the grand scheme of things I think you're. Fine My God. I wish another thing would happen. We'd have more to talk about my gosh, aspire tornadoes. Now he's he's cool. I did see that and I was like you know. We're not like it's bad and then I was like what if I moved out of California apparently, Iowa had a horrible Tornado or hurricane unlike leveled Iowa and that wasn't on the news wait. Can you Google that give me and my liar? Does. It feel in time it does but then I was like I always come back to it always feels like end at times, but we're literally getting information. So fucking fast. So I think it's always been like this. Maybe maybe. We. Should I put makeup underneath my eyes no, that's crazy. Those got him asked yet. But if I do it like right here. Then, you take your mask off you look crazy and you'll be like Nicole what's happening I'm like. MIDLIFE crisis. Kimmy, was originally said thank you. You're generally right. There was just a huge storm in the mid West and general exciting people. CHICAGO LOST POWER IN IOWA DID GET HIT INDIANA. Tornadoes windstorms gentlemen and West last week. Last week Dang. We're not. Getting information. Fast at all. Like over the weekend. Monday? Yes. I was like over the weekend this crazy. Raising. What if you could stock up on your favorite podcast March while supporting important causes at the exact same time Now you can. Through September, statue will be donating one hundred percent of all net proceeds from our merchandise say pod Swag Dot Com to the N. W. C.? P.. Legal. Defense and Education Fund and the National Association of Black. Journalists. There's never been a better time to Xiao Pot swag visit pod swag dot com now and start shopping. 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We may get some groceries or something later. Okay. Let's do what type of millennials are you I'm I'm interested? Yeah I don't even know what types. Are. either. I just know I am a millennial. They're six oddly specific types of millennials which are you okay. First off which nostalgic image hits you the hardest his kids cuisine. Oh kill me now Miss Cleo. Little beanie babies I don't know what this is. It's like the agro crack or something it's like this mountain that you had had the client was nickelodeon show. I grew up with cable. Harry Potter. And then the muses from Hercules I apparently don't know if I've ever seen Hercules. Yeah came into Harry. Potter. So late, so I don't have like China. That people had. I don't think I. I. My mom was already dead by the time I read Harry Potter. So I was over the sixteen. just remember reading the last book and I was like. Close to the end and I had, I don't know maybe ten more pages left and it was like three m just sitting at the kitchen table reading my dad was like, what are your dog? I got to figure out was happening the Harry and he was like Now go to bed. He was so mad he didn't get it. In hindsight. JK rollings a monster. Been Kids Cuisines I whip begged my mother for them bag bed beg and then I get them and then they would be disgusting Yeah I've had them before they are disgusting they're like rash. The things that they're putting, them can be good macaroni brownies. Yes corn this is a hamburger pizza. You know that's a little. IFFY. Sure. Who that's for but mad sometimes would put ground beef on pizza and that was good. That was homemade pizza. Yeah. The kids. That I don't have a good memory of. Me Either. I'M GONNA. Say Miss. Cleo I loved her. Yeah I must say guts because I did watch it name late seeing those kids hustle. The number, the March kid hustle. Which of these things do you fear the most? Making, your own doctors, appointments, having kids not succeeding in your chosen courier, your student loans not finding true love. Talking on the phone in general I love talking on the phone to specific people. I don't have student loans because my dad paid them and he sent me an email when he paid them and said, look your student loans are paid off like magic. So then I, guess you call him and thank you and he was like. He truly send it so I would call him. So then he could yell at me. which was his favorite thing to do. Having, kids isn't a fear I. Just know how to not have kids. Yeah Plan B. and abortions. and. Condoms pulling out there. Honestly. So many ways kids. Yeah. The. I don't go to the doctor. So that's like not a fear I will succeed. Okay. Saying not finding true love. Are My ears. Yeah. Already in loans. Congratulations thanks. To doesn't fourteen why? Your Self. Thank you By yourself. That's even cooler. Yeah I sometimes feel. Not as cool. Because my dad did it put also I only went to two years of school. thankfully, scholarships, and then I did AMERICORPS which pay my student loans and then I got on this now has had some money so. That's the first thing I. Did I applied to know scholarships and I got to and my sister was livid because she apply to all the scholarship she could possibly got and she got a couple but she was like, how did you get scholarships do dry? Question I don't know I wouldn't tell you but I got. Like a couple thousand dollars in scholarship know why but yeah like. More than one but get by not applying. Interesting. Data applied say email, but you didn't see it maybe. Scholarship like magic like magic, you idiot. I don't know. What I mean I don't I'm afraid of any of this stuff to have kids. I don't WanNa. Have Kids we not for isn't a fear I'm just not going to. Do you don't like talking on the phone. Let's see out fear and let's say like the thing you least like. 'cause like I'm not afraid of finding not finding true love. I, mean it would be sad and I'd be upset about it. But like I would just keep living because I have fun and I'll just cry sometimes at night. Yeah he'll say making your own doctor's appointment because even though. Like I am good at making appointments sometimes I just get annoyed. Lake the anticipation of like being on hold more being transferred to somebody is so annoying. Almost. Don't want to do at all. Which nineties carry which popular ninety s character do you relate to? From boy meets world or CAL from family matters. Joey Trivia Nathan Friends Ashley Spinelli from Recess Police Turtle from saved by the bell bubbles from power puff girls. Boy I am Inbetween Lisa Turtle in Steve Urkel. I don't really identify with Steve Urkel doesn't not like Steve Urkel he makes me laugh and now. Yeah. But Lisa Turtle I think identify with so Lisa Turtle. Related if I was paying. She was like a little. Know it all. That was me. But I feel like when I met you you knew nothing what do you mean? I knew nothing I'm kidding. So, mad. I was. Like I didn't know adult things like experienced but. She little smart girl in her class. I. Just Will Never Forget watching that movie where there was an uncircumcised CNN's. Into over and he said. That and this was maybe two years ago. Maybe my favorite memory of you. I hadn't seen what it was what's happening. So funny, let's pack. So she. Okay. So you're gonNA, make a title. which sentence are you most likely to say? What's your sign in? I'm a insert hogwarts house here. Does Your Dog Heaven Instagram Boo adulting is so hard. Does this have gluten in it babe? Let's just stay in and watch the Little Mermaid Oh God I'm none of people. I feel maybe sarcastically would be like, does your dog have a instagram? Because that happened within the park I was like does your dog on Instagram and then we saw that lady taking pictures there and then she was like he does have an instagram I really awful. Moment. More, asking more questions about food does this have gluten and? May Be that person. Does Okay. I think I miss stick with does your dog have instagram I've also never said adulting have you I haven't I mean I guess maybe. I thought like being an adult is hard better said adulting is a verb me either it's weird. It is weird. Okay. APP is your favorite instagram. snapchat twitter. FACEBOOK spotify. Co Star Star I don't know. Are we older than millennials. coast. co-stars astrology APP. It's actually pretty cool. Cool it was the one that channing tatum was freaking out about. What he was freaking out on twitter envying like, how does APP know me so well, this crazy that's fun and it was like astrology at. I liked twitter I think twitter's very funny. But also I love instagram. INSTAGRAM. I would say instagram Ya. I really deleted snapchat because someone logged into my Samten Iowa or something. And I was like well I guess by Bye Yeah. Okay what's your dream job freelance writer? Shopowner. INSTAGRAM WANNA BE INSTAGRAM influence there receptionist whose dream. And do paint teacher dog groomer with a growing tiktok following. I mean. No. I guess receptionist. Happened receptionist yeah. I would say freelance writer. Closer to. A job that I have. Which of these millennial food trends would you try? CRONUT. Avocado Test Oat Milk Kinsey pokey bowl. Rahman Burger. I've read only avocado toast in like that's not. I. Eight of into this is a child like my dad would be like. Maybe, like no, he avacado with everything. I think it was the end and Him who? The consciously. Well, I mean I eat so it's only I would try it. Let's see I wanNA try cronut. What is a Croissant Donna OATMEAL all the raiders Muggy OATMEAL. Khumbu I've tasted it's disgusting I, don't know what a pokey bowl is. And I think I think all it's like a Sushi ball the Sushi deconstruct and I don't want that I think I'll try Rahman Burger. A kind of looks good. I've never even been also. Salty. Isn't that Rahman's rather salty side. Burger I figure Rahman Burger. will no I don't WanNa die. I. Guess Avocado. Toast. I would try. I mean already like. They can't do. You like. Swamp. Water. Swap Water I think it's pretty swampy and looks swamp water. The mother on the bottom looks like swamp water. Yeah. The mother on the bottom of. The little particles, the bottom. which celebres your favorite, the end say Reihana. Harry Styles Lizzo Taylor Swift, Michael B Jordan. Won't. It's a toss up between beyond saying arena. That's how I feel too I mean, let's say. I think I'M GONNA have to say beyond say as well. And lastly, which thing are you most proud of quote unquote ruining Oh, formal dress codes. Traditional Marriage mayonnaise department store Ab. Names. The nine to five workday. Oh because there's articles that are like millennials have applebee's Yes I guess I'm GonNa say the nine to five workday because it's too long MSA. Formal dress codes. millennials ruined man as. Many, we don't do not eat manage or something. Stop buying it. Wow I. mean it does seem pretty poile as many as I have grown I like mayonnaise now that I've had Vegan as. It gives your like your something little wet smack to some wet smash. That's the only way. I. Can describe it. But like real mayonnaise grosses me out I do not like it's like weird tasting it just as a natural. Yeah and it's like combination of things are in here. Then there's like Hegley Mommy's which is like crazy. I couldn't rising. Okay Cheer. This is yes, this is while this is you You got the Scholastic Book Fair Millennial First and foremost you identify as a nineties kid sure your reality of paying bills and being too scared to call and make doctor's appointment is far too stressful for you. You prefer to lose yourself in the love of yesteryear you can often be found reminiscing over tabular school's cafeteria pizza. and how hot you thought young symbolise nicer. Or how well you think you, you would have done on the aggro, Crag yes. Basically, you consider the pain of adulting far worse than taking a razor scooter to the ankle. It's funny. Some of it. I think. Is You? Yes I don't think I like I don't think like to live in past either if anything I think you live in the present. Thank you. You're welcome. I got the Avocado Avocado, my God, the Avocado Toast millennial. You're very into all things organic whether it'd be milk. Whole foods but your connection with others, you'll consider yourself. An mature food connoisseur and I've eaten pizza for two weeks and what taking Pictures of everything you eat uncooked. Sure. You can't afford a house where you'll lab I'm fifteen dollar avocado tests until you croak you deserve a little treat. Well, that's fully on me. It's easily chose like one of our answers and that whole whole thing. Like Youtube, off his nats you. Say. Jeez I made that answer bag repacked the that's. Interesting interesting. My takeaway away from this test is we are not millennials. Don't fit the mold and we're not. We're also not gen-x because those kids are cool. No ever. Zip. What is Johnny ones below us. I think gingy Jedinak. Why does he do it like that? Why Gen X. Millennial Gen Z.? What's the next generation to be a? A I don't know why. I don't know who names these groups me, either. ooh. Moore's recently what's his humor I think Obama now? Oh like yeah because they're growing up on zoom. Boy Eight posing for the kids growing up now like My friend came over with her baby and she was like Oh it's GonNa. Take her a minute to like to this new environment because she is only seen the inside of this house. And I was like that is so crazy. There's going to be a ton of kids going to be like wait we leave the house. And we do. Yeah. To be near person that's so wild i. saw this me on Instagram was like. Daughter found a friend to play with on the playground and she ran up to me and said, mummy can I have a mask and other little girl ran to her mummy and said, can I have a mass to play with my new friend and my five year old is better at saving other people's lives than adults and I was like one why isn't your kid wearing a mask just to begin with two I don't believe you. And that's it goodbye. Wow. I read the same thing in thought. That's so wonderful. What a wonderful story How? Great I wish? I did that's Hilarious I was like there's no way. This is true. This person's Aligarh could be. Like. Parents explaining you have to wear a mask you get near someone and then the kids being like well I wanNA play with that little kids on give my mass. So why that mass wise pocket What in their pocket is gives you be trusted with items I. Don't buy a do not buy this five. I can't play with you until I mask on. He mocked me male all grown I really liked and play there on my mask. Sure. Honey way to save granny's life. Yeah I'm doing my. Okay. Did you get your? I did get my mask 'cause I'm doing my to see mind granny. Let's make a sandcastle sick. And by. That's very real as. You. Conversation literally happened you live in a fantasy. That conversation absolutely did not happen. Well I don't know I'm not around a lot. So I have no idea me either but like I babysat them before and yeah, the ones I, babysat. I I had to tell them to get their hands out of their diaper like it's just kids are dumb. Yeah. I don't by five year olds now now. By that I guess it's not a beautiful story about those people. Those kids. Starting September fifteen Spanish it presents celebrating lat next heritage month sap is going to be highlighting some of these amazing exciting guests that are also latter next, we are going to kick it off with the first. Disney Latino print says, amy today at all. That's right and we have show under one day to time Gloria Calderon Kellet and show runner of the Tony Joke Yeah and also we paid the super bad ass Latina Patty Delgado who has a Latina Company called tomorrow. That's right and we were also feature amazing poet, Yesica Sal go and some other very exciting guests. Yes. All of that and more on Spanish IQ present. So big things. Big thing starting September fifteen dollars. Boys. Yeah that's Exactly. What I WOULD Ask. You know those two little toddlers, ones white ones black. They always run to each other on the street. Nieto's. Um which I love. And they'd be making more videos of like see friends. No, we're not born seeing color blah blah, Blah and I'm like, do they have to do this for the rest of their life like? What if they don't want me friends one day no I'm sorry. Their parents are like you happy to be the world's depending on you to be friends with the Dang means. Yeah. Hi Nicola. This year I am calling because I am currently having issue with two of my friends. recently, we got together after you know on kind of hanging out. So you just whatever. And To make a long story short I'm from Long Island a very conservative place. And I am LGBT, gay and in. Coming to terms with gender I feel I am fluid I go by all pronouns but I mean like oh they them. And You During the course of our conversation. And I. I don't know if you know then I go them but it's In the Bio for my twitter and ranks private instrument I know that they both follow. One of them I actually did have a conversation with it about them. But They were saying that they been pronounce are weird and people who buy them are weird and I was shocked and uncomfortable I didn't know what to do so I'm really say anything in the moment. And Inference both of them for ten years the I don't really see myself living here in the future both for personal reasons and for career goals and ambitions. Is it worth it to bring it up to them or. Should I sort of just let this? Friendship Fade out. Is SORTA terrible to say but like I need people now effort to support me and I don't know if they are going to do that for me. Yeah just. Give me your opinion. Thank you I'm a big fan of the pint Nicole. I listen to all your other podcasts just. A little. Sorry Mole Madison. So here I you know love you on SNL Thank you. Thank. I mean I truly don't think it is their Their responsibility to educate people I think it is a very simple ask to say they them I've been really trying my everyday life to just prefer to people as they them and not gender people because I don't know how you identify and one. It's not my business but to it's not my business to offend you So I. Truly think you can explain it one time that hey. Identify with them pronouns and if you think that's weird I guess you don't need to refer to me get my name out of your mouth. But, also, maybe don't come in that high. But I just I think it's I don't think you need people in your life who cannot respect. You enough to call you what you've asked to be called I think it's really really awful and I think personally for me it's been an adjustment. You know saying they them when referring to people. But after you do in a couple of times, it does feel a little natural and. Sometimes. I do Miss Gender people and you know use the wrong pronoun and I tried to like apologize to that person and if I do it on a podcast, they try the next one to apologize Yeah I I don't think I truly don't think that you need to be friends with these wild people who are like living in the past. He especially, if you have talked to at least one of them about this before and they are actively like dissing. Your face that's not a good friend thing like. Or maybe you told them and they forgot. But that's also like if my friend told me that that is not nothing bang it's like a big change I would try to remember that a Include that in my dialogue now then it seems weird that you you talked with one your friends and they about this is now how I identify the May like either forgot or didn't care end. Just like flippantly had this conversation about. People who use that Pronoun. Are Weird. Yet these are not your friends. These are not good friends and sounds like you're outgrowing your hometown friends. Sounds like you want to move you are from a very conservative town they sound conservative and. You guys may be growing apart and just because he knew to the for ten years, you probably went to school with them. That's just like a friendship by proxy it's not necessarily easy to be your people for lighting. Also find that we say conservative as opposed to like bigoted. Not Okay to discount and just try to. That's not real. That's weird. That's just how someone fucking identifies like I. One identifies anything I want like I can who cares who fucking cares you don't need to be I don't like these people these people these people are bad people. We don't get them get them out your life by Yeah Yeah and you can find people who make you feel good. That's that's what you want out of a friend. You want someone who's going to respect you 'cause that's something lack of respect and. And you want. To feel uncomfortable in normal situations where you're like at a bar hanging out. And they say something horrific or whatever your night is ruined. It's get out of there. Get Long Island. Move to a city. York it's so funny that like cities are Nice mce for like minded people or people who are just accepting, and then like when you go out into the sticks, it's just like we lock it here we locked trees, men and women, and that is it. There is no. And the trees are either women. There's not the trees have binary. There's no NAM you don't call Tree Day. You call misery omits the tree. Are also big. It's in cities and they're also progressive people in the sticks. Yes. I agree famous people if you're GONNA stay in Long Island if not moved to the city. New York. This is probably the worst advice during a pandemic moved to New York. Yes. Lately need more. People. well. Because people are fleeing so A. Move to New York City. Very true. We're Austin great city. And it's warm. Barton Springs. And Franklin's barbecue. Choose the. Let's move to Austin Austin is Great I. Love Austin. We solved it she do another. That's another I. Just want. You knows this year I just bought tie-dyed crocs. Oh cool and I'm trying to get on the TV train. I can't find these platform. Tebas did you get the text I sent you the Unicorn TV's would. There are Tebas with unicorns on. Them. Did you send that me a couple of days ago. How are we missing each other's text messages? I don't know I'm a couple from you to this is sick. Say. No. Number. This is the content everybody wants. Well. I'm sure they want us to be able to communicate. Well, it's now I'm getting now I'm getting the text to my phone, but these aren't they're not high enough I want them like big buck and platforms. Yeah they're like made mid. I. Okay let's listen to. Nicole in just sheer my name's filthy. About venture with my mom. So. My mom wants to be my best friend. You know how a lot of. MOMS fit like they wanNA, know if you had new crush in school or something like that. And I think that's really sweet. But also like you don't WanNa, tell your mom that. Like there's some means that you can tell your mom and something that you would rather tell. Someone you're eight age you know am I overreacting? Everything or do you understand? PODCAST. They sound so. Young Look A. Child Yeah I wonder if the child who asked for a mask from her mom to play with her friend. She's the five year old mummy. Like tell me your credits like mommy and. Hey, this is interesting because. My mom was like a little over protective. But like she understood that like we weren't friends like it was like she would say it out loud I'm not your friend. She's not my friend I think it's Ok to tell your mom to be like, Hey, mom, I just need a little space I don't really feel comfortable. Telling you my crushes right now I just want to talk to my friends about it but I do love you and it doesn't mean. I. Love You less I just you know I don't want to gossip about everything. Yeah Yeah let me covers Asian. We'll say I would have liked to have a mom that was kind of my friend and I don't even know what that's like. Don't even know what that would look quick but I I remember seeing friends who who, who were best friends with their mom or like I don't know at least like hanging out with them and I was like, wow, that looks cool. WanNa. What a nice thing. But I will say this this year, the grass is always greener on the other side Stereo coming like I'm too friendly with my mom in you would have rather been friends with your mom. I think there's a balance. A thing where it's like you do have A. Open communicative. Fine relationship with your mom that doesn't have to be like you're telling her all your business. And you can even just be select self selective and be like I don't feel like telling her this specific thing but I will diller this because she doesn't know who you are as a person and I think that's great and a gift because now I will have that in hand or or can have that with their parents. So I do think maybe. Let your mom in but you don't have to divulge everything about your life. You don't feel like that's totally fine because she's also not doing that e- eaten even if she is being with her life in her world, she's not tell you everything. Ganz. You don't have to feel like you have to do the same thing but. I do. Try to make sure that like a relationship that is I guess making me both happy I like. Could I also, if you guys mind, don't mind if I could add because the person does sound really young I think the other thing to really consider is as you grew up and become an adult and you have like a more relationship with your mom. Your mom might not have had that relationship with their mom so I want to hear everything doing because she didn't have that. That's what I find with my mom like I tell my mom everything we have a really great relationship and I if I didn't have my mom, it would it would be very different. Everyone's relationship with their mom is so different but I think as you get older maybe recognized that like maybe your mom didn't have that connection with their mom. So whoever go through a phase with your mom Jordan where you're like, oh, mom I don't want to tell you this Oh. Yeah. She my mom was the type who I have friends over. She would have like platters of food she would be like, Oh, I, did this for you what I did this and I would be super embarrassed bowling today I am that way when friends come over I'm like I have all this food for you. And it's like I love comers I call my mom almost every day. So but she also she doesn't live near me. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think you'll also to this person who called I think they'll be happy that they were close with their mom one day maybe not now. Yes but I think they'll want they'll realize Oh, this is nice. I can go to this person for these things or like this is nice to have like an older friend who's experienced in the world who can answer questions and they might be workers your mom but. I think you'll find that. That's helpful. One day Yeah. Yeah I agree. Yeah for that Jordan. Yeah well. We did it. We did it. We helped. Yeah and if you want more help, you can email us at Nicola, share at Jamal Dot com, or you can call four, two, four, six, four, five, seven, zero, zero, three, and we have verge at pots why dot com slash best brands and we've a bonus series and stitcher premium check it out for a month free as premium premium dot com and use the Promo code friends that F. R. E. N. D. S. Fred. What about your friends? What about your friends? What you got and What? 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Rob & Akiva Need a Podcast #52: Watching The Fanatic

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Rob & Akiva Need a Podcast #52: Watching The Fanatic

"Xiaogang Talk Kabri Week got a needle. Yeah that's right Robin. Akiva need a podcast episode number fifty two hand every weekend you better attend and that's exactly what we're here to do. Better attend where Kiva and myself will to watch the worst movie currently in the movie theaters and maybe not really in the movie theaters this movie that we're GonNa talk about up for but there was one man who was a driven by a lust for we must watch John Travolta in the fanatic directed by Fred durst. Even though people said boy akitas really trying to ram this one in on on getting this onto the podcast he persevered and I believe that he had the right call here. He is the Co host of of Robin Accumulated podcasts Mr Key winokur. I feel like the podcast hasn't even started and you've already completely thrown under the case. This is bad no I I was coming in ready to throw you under the bus but then I watched this movie and you end I got yet but I was. I was is really my I D. I think it started with a I think I was brandon. Spears said Hey I'm going to a Fred durst directed movie with John Travolta starring in it on twitter. You're like ooh maybe that's in theaters and ask our expert will from America and he gave it his his stamp of approval but that was like a month ago yeah but we're not always a bad movie that we can attend in theaters. I saw some pushback people saying like hey. They're away worst movies than this and to those people. I say they did not see the fanatic yeah I I would say you have to see the movie. You're sort of rooting for but also the BANASIK. Tell me what's whereas because people said see Rambo five think would have been funny but I haven't seen any rain before is that I don't even know the premise of Rambo Rambo semester. Sloan has a bunch of guns guns. I think that's all I know about but war is he fighting and I don't know what I mean. It's in the Middle East now. Whereas Rainbow fighting all these wars Rambo Limbo guy have you seen? I don't know anything about realize he's like a jungle setting so football players now name Rambo and I like there's Ari Rambo. There's a received there's a receiver I I do like the last name Rambo Yeah maybe somebody can come on one day and explain the Rambo series of films to us and talk about the through line but anyway so we're here to talk about the movies and TV and so we're going to talk about that here on this episode of Robin Akiva you need a podcast Akiva last time out this week Rob Akiva and we got some mixed ext results in terms of feedback yeah. I'd say it's the first time in a long time where we've gotten so multiple real negative criticisms and and I think I don't know I don't know the Christmas world different. It wasn't all the same many criticisms. There were many criticisms but they were all over the place. I think first of all some people through the game you I wanted you to have six wife wishes. I wanted to win that gap. I definitely did not throw it. I just choked. It's like you know saying the Tom Glavin choke the last two thousand seven season tried to be good. He was just bad. I I I mean I don't know it wasn't Jordan keilor's this fall. Maybe the game was a little too long. maybe it wasn't a good idea to begin with this. Probably what a lot of people are thinking too many Seinfeld clips for a lot of listeners who as we know from the census this did not watch Seinfeld with us than I did see some feedback that it was definitely the right call to not use Jordan's idea of the what Games Games did rob pick in week three of twenty and eighteen and actually won the game that was I just a little rush at me. The shortest this rap turnaround we've ever had basically episode that needed production so okay not Jordan's fault so yeah. We'll do better this week. I think I've also gotten a Kiva from people I I just wanted to make sure we remember this of the sequel mechanism that has been stuck in neutral. We have not been going back and adding things that were hit just to say say that I'm not sure this week in Robin. AKIVA is going to be in the mix for the sequel mechanism right now no and I do think at some some point maybe for episode sixty a we should go through the old episodes and see if we could squeeze a few old episodes into the sequel mechanization woman. Why would we wait eight episodes to do that we are we have to do it today or tomorrow or next week? If we have time but can I make it announcement for this week. Actually I wasn't going to mention it. Now I think right now there is no sequel mechanism because I got a a message from Mike Bloom. Yes saying that he thinks that we should not do the stands for stops brand deal during survivor season. He thinks it's overkill and it's an off season idea and we should wait. What's the that's what Mike Mike Bloom for the first time his life is turning down a podcast? Wow who is this. Mike Bloom Fatherhood has changed him it. It is true it is true. Maybe realize he has forty seven podcasts a wife and a baby lean job and he's maybe too busy for you. Know are are nonsense but so I think hiatus or Yada and I'm back in two months okay all right but maybe it should have an extra spot on the sequel mechanism. I we'll talk about that in the mail but we're here to talk about the movie the fanatic Akiva and anything else you WanNa say you were saying that we also did not get a ton of feedback that we had a Taryn Armstrong on the mailbag. We thought that that was going to be a gangbusters. Maybe people were so mad at us about this week in Robin Akiva that they turned it off now other hearing about this for the first time because we didn't really promote it we should promote our guests and not well surprise surprise yeah surprise. The episode wasn't so good list the prime. No I think yeah so I had a lot of fun with Taryn. I thought it was fun to have someone who's never has no familiarity with the podcast that all be part of it and I think it's fun always. COULD WE DO to maintenance cleaning up the you know some old ideas before we get to the fanatic sure How did he get Mickey Calloway on an episode I mean I think he'd be bat? He's bad at all meals with the thing. I don't know if you don't like what's he gonNA do next. It'll me a bench coach. We're talking about the mets. No met manager is eligible for another job. After being is career suicide that nozoe older Terry Collins Willie like Jerry Manual David Johnson Yeah. I don't think so okay all right. Go ahead so two things one we we. We always mentioned at the end but I find if we switch them beginning. We get a lot more feedback. Give us I two interviews. We haven't read them in a while. Maybe rebel get to them this week. They've been slowing down so rate review five stars and slipped on ice yeah and also this is an idea from a few weeks ago that I that I like but a couple listeners suggested we should ever inap- glossary. Maybe we could put it in the Salud. You have a rha wicky that would be the place to do it. We could do it in both I think I think it could it could exist when are where do you WanNa have a glossary well. It could just be its own page in the we have a we have rob his website. What's it? What's it called? What's the wheel link? We're all the info about okay you want. Bribes website accomplish wheel list. You think we ought like another tab for a glossary. Yes people said the inside jokes recurring bits recurring characters so if you just if you WANNA make a list of them and send them to us you know just put that you know sort of recurring character or something like that in the headline in the email header will give it to Wolf American hope that together okay good stuff is this could be a complicated show to get into. I see people saying where do I start in Napa and there's a lot of episode one yeah but I also think maybe it's like ten. I feel like you get. There's a lot of muck and mire in the first like eight or nine episodes. They might want the avoid Yup. Look you should bounce around help yeah. If anybody does Seinfeld Watch. I always like they'll twin like four yeah yeah. Yeah I get a microphone by episode fourteen and Seinfeld and we figured out by finding ourselves much Bush like actual Seinfeld. You don't need to go back true. Okay all right AKIVA. We need to talk about this movie. The fanatic and we're going to go. We're GONNA go through it and talk about this movie. Because this was wild I have to say whereas the Wheel Watch crappy movie a couple of episodes ago he was only two episodes ago with a watched the animal which was a joyless soul-sucking all sucking experience for me but I was captivated by the fanatic yeah I would agree. I think this movie I would not say joyless. I hope you're not saying it's good but maybe not saying it's good but I would say that my experience watching the film was interesting. I was on the edge of my seat. Where is this going? Yeah I will say even though I don't regret watching it or picking it. I was also very interested. I also so felt like it was very dark and did need to take a break every five minutes and do something else and come back and watch by more medical well. Luckily two hours to watch this movie while taking in a break every five minutes did not probably sleigh down too much because the entire movies run time is an hour and twenty seven minutes in in the final seven minutes or credit is the longest credit sequence of any fill the US play to song sometimes if your name was associated associated with this movie. This is like one of the things that you would wish that the credits I ended up like the movie is on like. TNT and they play the entire credits in four seconds the Netflix style or like you do one of those things where sometimes you'll have like a director a writer who so upset with the final product and he puts like a fake name like a union fake him you know like a John DOE type name on the on the movie yeah so I'm surprised that didn't happen. I bearing the lead. I think that this movie is directed. By the lead singer of limps get Fred Durst yes right that's the largest that is directed by Fred Tariffs and ridden by riders written by core in my Fred durst and stars John Travolta and ninety s Hearthrob Devon solemn yeah yeah okay I keep it just before we get into the film Could you just talk about other than Brandon Spears mentioning this. Did you have any other awareness of this film film no. I don't think I mean this movie made like three thousand dollars at the box office. I don't think anybody had any awareness. This is probably the best. Pr That this movie's GonNa ask the most this movie will ever be discussed. I think okay I really think so. I did see after we picked. It came across my time line on a scene in this movie that I bet you'll be able to guess what went I wouldn't say viral but had a few thousand views as a you know a movie clip. That people thought was really funny when we get there. I'll tell you okay now. This movie made no cultural impact. There was great article on the Ringer Dot COM about Travolta's slide into who I don't WanNa say a relevance like what does he slid into like basically video on demand level movies B. Movies and you know how it's crazy because Travolta Travolta also had a similar not not this level but he sort of faded into obscurity until Quinn Tarantino kind of salvage his career well he actually actually had this twice. I feel like in his career that he fell off the map and I think he had like a little bit of the of bounce back with the baby talk or look who's talking I think was he was gone and then he had lose talking and then he went away again after after that yeah and then came back with reservoir dogs yeah and then he was bigger than ever I mean the late nineties he's putting up to big movies a year that are making close to one hundred million a lot of times and he's you know he's the lead star in a lot of movies. He's really I mean he's always the star of the movie I think one of the interesting things and the ringer piece brings it up to is like Travolta could do decent stuff if he was willing to be aside you know the fourth leader eighth lead in good projects that he would get jobs on his name recognition the only I think he's really done that with is the OJ Simpson TV show right yeah yeah. He's done a lot of crazy stuff. I'm trying to think if he had like another then bounce back after that he had like another like little peek in his career post pulp fiction he's he's been around forever but then he started doing like a really wacky stuff like hairspray he said like crazy film roles along along the way and now he was also in another notable terrible movie recently in God that was another one one of the worst movies twenty eighteen yeah well his last five movies have been Gotti speed kills trading paint the poison rose in the fanatic. I mean none of that probably even have like a twenty percent on rotten tomatoes. He's been ice cold other than playing Robert Shapiro Shapiro in the aforementioned American crime story though Jay's story INA valley of violence criminal activities life on the line. The forger killing sees I mean this is the last decade he has not being in a movie that you've heard of I guess he was in the taking of Pelham onto three. I don't know if he was a star now. We're we're looking on fifteen years of of like disaster level by by the way I don't know what you're sort of like relationship is with with the Travolta UV walk but my my like Peak Travolta for me is one of my favorite it shows my favorite TV show from the seventy s welcome back Kotter guy and as any Burrito to me that's when he peak because I've never even seen you know a lot of like urban cowboy or Saturday night fever. I've never right so yeah. I was familiar from the welcome back of course Greece another another big one of the look who's talking movies. I think were big hits in like He. I it's weird because I wonder if he's never had an agent or his agent has no say because there's no way that like a reasonable person can direct those movies at least made money in not going to ruin your career because they're not supposed to be good yeah but he's made so many bizarre even when he's like at the height of his power right after postal fiction when he could be in any movie for twenty million dollars a picture and he's doing Michael I was outside Michael and a lady came out and said he died. What's it going to see but you just spoiled? The movie I think Michael was does a little bit of a hit but he's also done like some like all high bad movies such as battlefield earth from two thousand but he is a scientologist intelligence and that's a scientology movies that may have been like a love project passion have been he's also in a white man's burden. A witch is not hold on ringer piece mentions yeah. He's in some all time bad movies visa. He might be the patron saint of the crappy movie diaper. I it's funny because he what wasn't his thing i. I almost think to use a baseball now that maybe some people won't get if like a hitter stops hitting home runs it doesn't always affect his his hall of fame case because that's a total right if you have six hundred home runs even if you're stay as baseball player in the major leagues for ten and more years it can only really hurt your batting average like it doesn't ultimately hurt your some of your totals. He's more of a pitcher in that he keeps having eight and a half the IRA his end. It's ruining ruining all fame chance yeah compiler like he's been in the game since the mid seventies so he's got you know four decades of of film projects where you know he has some you know all star seasons. You know a lot of you know five eighteen years along the way yeah we're also talking about someone like he was nominated for an Oscar forty. One years ago like his career is great even if he never acted again after two thousand five. It's probably better right. He's got Saturday night if he's got pulp fiction if he wanted Oscar would that be like the least likely Oscar ever now where his jet career trajectories like Tarantino come out of his fake retirement and salvaged Travolta again and get him an Oscar. I think he would have to be supporting actor. I don't think you can carry a factor. That's fine give him like eight minutes in in a movie be but like he knocks out of the park. Wouldn't that be great. If Travolta would win and I mean not maybe not I suppose he's not a great guy. He definitely has is some you know scandals around him yeah but yes controversy surrounds John Travolta Nicolas Cage. You know you're talking about the to face off guys. Which I guess is my favorite Travolta movie? Ever I really face off would be the ultimate face off of who is the patron saint of the crappy movie diaper. I mean that's the real face off but cage makes it's like high. It's so bad it's good. Travolta makes it so bad. This was so bad it's good this this phenomenon of movies we would not enjoy. I'm pretty sure his last ten movies is eight of them would be absolutely on what you WANNA. Do the poison rose next week. We'll put we'll put on. I don't like it. I think that's battlefield earth. I think it should be a consideration for the crappy movie diaper but let's see let's see how this okay Akiva the fanatic starring John Travolta of course if people wanted to watch this movie that we're talking about. I watched it on Amazon. Prime had to pay what to nine thousand nine hundred ninety nine four is the way that people have to watch this addison prime itunes or video-on-demand if you still have cable if you're not a cord cutter I think you could find that a video on demand okay all right so could you give us the plot of the film like the Synopsis Real Quick. What is the movie the fanatic about so all I knew about this movie going in was it is about a obsessive fan who stalks is in ruins? The life of a celebrity that they're obsessed with yeah not dissimilar to the plot of Celtic pride is that right Celtic pride and also the Missouri the little note yeah the little known but excellent Pat Oswald starring Film Big Fan where where he plays a die hard New York giants fan and it's a more serious version of this and it's excellent yes so very similar movie just as a sports fan instead instead of a and he's obsessed with the team not not so much an individual plan yeah some themes that have been explored. I think that the film also borrows of very much from the Eminem Song Stan well. Do you know that the the the major connection Stan in this movie is what Devon Saola was staying in the in the music video stand. Oh no yeah yeah so it. It doesn't bars from the story so is that intentional aw I I mean there aren't a lot of interviews with the director that I've rain is not because no one wants that we probably could have got Thurston for this would have been interesting yeah I. I don't know I would be funny if it was a total accident and Mike doesn't even know the words Stan or the Music Video Stan I mean I'm sure he was up to minimum was doing there. Were big at the same time. Yeah Okay Okay so Akiva that would we are introduced to the story of Moose played by John Travolta Alta there. There's a lot of narration in this film and if necessary now yes that is the calling card of any great film is a lot of narration right. I mean you can do it well. I think good narration works but it's it's so sporadic. It's it's not necessary ever and it's trying to be deep and it's just embarrassingly bad the movies The writers for this movie are Fred Durst Brainier the other riders writers main credit was as a stunt driver in two thousand nine and he's probably the brains of this operation. I mean the writing is the low point of this movie. I think you'll agree yeah a hoax much better than its written. It's mostly the writing and the acting the acting is bad but I think the writing is worse. okay so yeah we have a lot love narration here and the narrator of the film is a this woman Leah who is a friend of Moose She doesn't play a big role in the film on but she's GonNa be around later on now Moose. I it took me a little while the the film doesn't really come out and say it but he he appears to. Would you say I don't want to diagnose. What is the matter with Moose Incorrectly Akiva? Can you seek to will what are some of Moose's issues okay so I would say the most of the reviews have referred to move says says autistic autistic but there's no diagnosis in the movie and it's never really the you know we see a couple of flashbacks one flashback where his his mom sort of ignoring while he's watching movies but we we really learn nothing about him. You already mentioned this friend. Leo We learn nothing about why on Earth Leah Assem seemingly normal person and would put with him so say it with with Moose fifty years older than her you know he I guess I I guess if yeah he has a lot of a lot of ticks a physical tics not really verbal tics but yeah I think probably they're going own for autism okay. Do you think John Travolta was sold this script on a Tropic Thunder tiep pitch of that this would help him win an Oscar such a good question. Do you think Travolta thought this was a fred. Durst last movie now Fred Durst we should mention as directed two movies before one was sort of an indie movie with Jesse Eisenberg and a couple of other people. You've heard of that like didn't get great rave reviews but got totally reasonable like a guy could make a second movie reviews six point something and I'm debbie nothing bad at all and then he made a comedy with iced tea which like it didn't do well but didn't bomb a thirteen million dollars twenty million dollar budget so he had a track record that was like you know C. Plus B. minus Track Record uh-huh this is by far his worst work and may he didn't write the I. I'm not sure I can't imagine for wrote the comedy that would be scary this. This is clear like this is somehow huge. Maybe he liked one of those two films and that's what Travolta agrees to work with Fred durst or maybe like Travolta would just doesn't even read scripts anymore because you might be harder for cash having we heard things about he needs money. Is that all Nicholas Cage. Is that a big budget on this movie I mean he is. It probably was like a month month of work so even if it's just a few hundred thousand dollars. It seems like he's doing three or four films a year. Yeah Travolta Okay so Moose is a a older older guy who is a movie fanatic. He seems to they don't it's in the beginning the movie he's more into action shouldn't films but by the end of the movie we find out that he's really a horror guy. He's a hard guy. I think he's like a film buff altogether but from what we know about about at the main actor he's obsessed with who's hunter Dunbar played I I think is a is sort of a horror film star right. I thought he was an action film stone. I'm not sure I don't think the movie I it's not that we're mistaken. I think the movie is ensure. Either like changes is from seeing the scene by the way this movie which is called the fanatic was originally titled Moose that have been better or worse. I don't know why is he named Moose. I really it's unclear the John Travolta character of that he is this an older guy and is seemingly assumingly challenged of he rides around in a scooter around Hollywood and he is very into collecting autographs graphs specifically autographs of the people that he watches in these films yeah yeah he's yeah. He's a big sort of memorabilia guy. I don't know I I think also in terms of like the movie I think it was called first of all in terms of his name by the way we see in the flashback his mom calls a Musso. It's not even a nickname like that was probably is given more at least like a short for something nickname yeah Mussa for Moose okay so he hangs out at a local like prop and poster store. I did pull a lot of clips from the movie because I really want to be able to capture this for the people who have without making them listen to it right and here is a just this this early on in the movie like within the first five minutes. This is how I knew that we were in for a treat here is Moose walking into the prop store talking to the the poster store owner chocolate Mousse. I can't talk too long and this is not a comedy. Movie is not like a gross out comedy where you would hear that dialogue in the animal and it's like okay. This is like the that's Rob Schneider later in. Tom Brady's idea of a joke. No this is like the movie is not trying to be funny at all not at all I this is to me Fred durst I who by the way I think we could say has probably never been around a person with autism. That's my hands. I have to watching this movie. needing that we need to establish in the his I seen that the John Travolta character is is you know has special needs and will do so by having him announce that he a that he needs to go to the bathroom when he walks by the way you know in terms of my background I have multiple years of being a high school teacher. You know in a school that was entirely students with autism and I don't ever remember a a student announcing they need to do yeah. Okay okay so maybe the the realism is off from the beginning so we are introduced to the fact that he is really into this one particular actor Hunter Dunbar played by the aforementioned Devon Sawa who is going to be doing an autograph signing at this poster shop y y is Hunter Dunbar doing autograph signing at this hole in the wall poster shop. It's very confusing because the F- like literally Moose Moose comes in says I'm GonNa go see hundred on a party tomorrow night and he's the all time one upped by by the shop owner. Who says he's coming tomorrow and then they have a whole nothing but why don't you tell me is like a hundred doors everywhere in near Hollywood boulevard this week? I guess yeah it's very bizarre because the dark shop it's sort of like would are they big movie star even like a movie star just sign autographs in this dingy shopping. La It seems very unlikely now the Devon Sawa character hunter Dunbar I do not I think he is. I think that he sort of like on like the Johnny Drama Viking Quest Level where I don't know if you're GonNa make who was the real life compare. The real comparison would be devon sow while level of celebrity yeah. I think that's good. I think that's pretty good at a level like like difference. Our could do an autograph signing and people show up but he but maybe a few years ago at the peak of his powers yeah well he deepak Devon Devon Sal is the name of heard you say many times over these what is your familiarity with Devon Saola he was he was in a lot of kids movies now and in an Christina Ricci Rosie O'Donnell movie that things get used to watch with my sister. Do you ever see that now. he casper the friendly ghost then he like yeah then he becomes you know he's like a final destination guy so he's in a lot of pop movies and I think it'd be too extreme ops. SLC punk which was always on the AFC channel when I was a kid and I will my room like the I feel like I've gotten a lot of salad. They can. I tell you one thing I really did very few interviews. Tell you one thing that Devon Sour revealed in one of his interviews. I would love to hear John. Travolta came to the set everyday in character as Moose. Yes I love stayed in character. The entire wealth dependency on Hollywood boulevard very I mean I think the film was was shot in Alabama which by the way like John Travolta as Moose in Alabama for a month for a with Saleh called not a lot of money some big fifteen eighteen million dollar budget movie was sow US quote yeah okay so Travolta as a charity project showing up in Alabama and being each state character as Moose like listen is the best actor in the world maybe not but he takes his job seriously johnny Ti okay so I think there had to have been some sequences. His shot in Hollywood because yeah I think I think they had to at least spent the night or two on Hollywood for some of the sequences okay so is going to then get to this aforementioned party that he talked about the celebrity party that is going to have some people we have a run in with that we meet Leah who is a young plucky young woman who is somehow friends with Moose. We don't really know why why what does she do. She's like a TMZ type of yes a low level more of the night crawler type for Paparazzi like low level pop up Paparazzi you know picture taking a listener message me and said that she went to school with her okay and uh go go yeah I if if yes if any any of these lead actors had sort of disavowed the film especially her so I went to check and and she was she went to all the premiers posted pictures on instagram so they weren't really embarrassed like Eve Devon Sawa posted like buy tickets to the fanatic year on you know Fandango or whatever so they they were trying to sell the movie probably think thought that they made a good movie you have ham and John Travolta but I guess you know uh doesn't turn out to be the case of that was something to write home about to write a listen to eminem about yeah okay Akiva so Moose's going to sneak into a party and he has a run in with a celebrity who does not treat him kindly and then he ends up in talking with Leah about this later on that it seems that she's a little upset with him for bothering the celebrities at the party. Here's what moves has to say about his run in with the the star Amanda it was it was Amanda who got kicked out Leah. She was being a celebrity tar. Celebi tarred is a word that is mentioned a couple times in this film. Yes I didn't think the word still existed did and then I watched this movie and it comes up about four different times. I've a feeling Fred durst uses it a lot in his day to day speech. I had never heard it before. I think it was like popular for ten minutes on the two thousand six okay all right. It was like the early Paris Hilton days they she was called Celeb- yard okay all right so we ended up in seeing I can. We're GONNA bounce around a little bit here. Give you what's what's important and and I guess we get to see a little bit of what's on Moose's life his occupation describe what moves us for a living. I was very curious before we saw. What does this guy do? Either see you know. is He a good worker. Maybe you know he knows that the grindstone takes seriously. He's occupation is is he acts as some sort of British Buckingham Palace Guard Yeah Bob and Bobbie on a cop right on Hollywood boulevard. You know that you'd you see on the Jimmy. Kimmel show across the street the spider-man The Times Square ish version in Hollywood right the same type of people that you go go there and they say hey like don't talk to all Elmo Mo- because he's going to grow up you one of these guys that you could pose for a picture with but he a much of against the snakes swallowing it's tail that in the same same way that John Travolta would method act the role of Moose Moose is also method acting how he becomes the role of the British bobby on the street and practices his British bobby talk in a mirror at a local bathroom which I guess I guess it's almost like a locker room for all of the of course would pull the locker room yeah. Here's here's a little bit of Moose getting into character as the Bobby Poppycock hoppy call. Why would anybody want to take a picture with a British Bobby Bobby on Hollywood Boulevard? It's not like it's a movie character. Yeah and it's not in England where it's like a pretend I also think during the course the movie we see him playing the bobby many times and many every single dollar one conversation with one guy never gets our I did. I did right in my notes. Who would you dress? I saw as if you if that was your job if I could be a maybe I could be like another Jack Sparrow out there Jackson Expo proper seven yeah but then you guys can have a lot of pirate fights and stuff yeah Spiderman Superman Jack Sparrow. Those guys are take the the mask. I don't want anything like tot like something that you know I feel like you could put sort of this. Fake Mustache on should be like better attainment tan like whatever the big movie of the week is. That's yeah I think so. You're buzzed by your one week and then like some guy I know it is a lot of equipment yeah. That's would get really hot especially during the day yeah what does that Star Wars like like jar jar. Jar Banks wants to be with jarring his lot prosthetics there to be Georgia are banks feel like if you could be like Han Solo. I think it'd be good if you hunt so. Ideally you want something. That's just a costume but not a mask Mabel to make a cowboy have you with. La needs a naked cowboy like New York asthma yeah. I think you know that nobody wants wants that Akiva. Nobody wants naked cowboy yeah. He's a play the guitar he's gone but my my daughter was like there was a naked guy time square when I was there oh he's still there you still there the and again naked cowboys imitators we maybe he's sort of like sold. The act like gallagher did with his brother where that I I mean the naked cowboy has got to be like what is is late forties or fifties right. You think that do you think it's like there's a new naked cowboy now possibly like it's just a good dread pirate Roberts let's see from generation generate yeah like his photo here. Now let's see do I wanna go to naked cowboy dot com. I don't think so no let's see years active. I think he started up in nineteen ninety eight so I mean this is twenty plus years on for out there for the naked cowboy yeah. Can you explain what who the naked cowboy is. As for any of our listeners who yeah I mean I think he's just like a guy who plays the guitar in his underwear in Times Square. is the naked cowboy the net yet. NFC If he's out there still let's say well we'll see if we can get some more information about the naked but let's go to Times Square and send us pictures and they'd be yeah. He's still here guys yeah he according to Wikipedia is active one thousand nine hundred to present and he is a forty eight years old okay okay so he started as a young man's game yeah. Did you know that he also ran for President in twenty twelve election I didn't we know that yeah so although I was running as a representative of the tea party so Mitt Romney know so Mitt Romney was the naked cowboy now okay. That's what's going on with the naked cowboys. I didn't meet the naked cowboy talk politics. Now I mean I guess this politics even before yeah owed me them so I don't know I don't. I don't know if I don't know I haven't had any conversations okay we we can go get an interview with him all right so I don't know how we got to the naked cowboy from Times Square bobby. He gets the job out there on John Street Hollywood Boulevard. That Moose has ops out on Hollywood boulevard. There are people with acts that are way more popular that are sorta like gross out freak. Show type acts where there's One guy named Todd Aka Todd the God and todd the guide puts like a railroad spike through his nose and all the lookie Loos than I guess give him money for doing GNAT but meanwhile there is another guy while all the lookie loo tourists are watching todd the God there is another character named slim played by James Paxton in his worst performance since the LDS is out there. Not is a guy named James Paxton but I do not believe this is the Yankee right. It'd be Bill Paxton. Yes yes and we're we're. We're recording this on Thursday. Chris is spectacular just hoping yeah yes that interestingly this James Paxton who plays the pickpocket that he studied lead British film in London before studying the Vincent Chase Workshop in Los Angeles California that based on the entourage character offit chase is given classes yeah the James Paxton that is the soup James Paxton and todd the God they they are ops of Moose out on the street and todd does not like Moose and he's kind of a bully. He's like a bully to Moose Yeah. They bully moves the really nice to him. I mean sometimes times. They ask him to help but he's not interested because he hates them yeah so this is how Moose feels about todd the God is not a god he's full of Doodoo. He doesn't respect Hollywood. I respect Hollywood rob. Your spectacular would respect Hollywood. Okay also then todd the God it tries to recruit bobby into one of his I think he is he's like a temporary breakup with slim and he tries to recruit Moose into being sort of like the pickpocket while todd does his a freak show act check. This was todd's pitch to Moose about why he should work with him and we tonight show or what we're we're GONNA BE MAKING WHO Donald Trump. We're GONNA make mu-chou. Donald trump heads up on the dollar bill. Now I twenty now. I don't I don't know is this like some mm. sci-fi Alternate Universe where Donald Trump is now on the money or is Donald trump a synonym for monies in for money money because they ask this might be new slang that we don't know yet muccio trump muccio doctor I I mean I think that I don't know if I would go and combine a Spanish word with them. The Noun Donald trump for money like that. That's not really Muccio. Donald Trump was I might start a trend. I mean all fifty people that saw this film are GonNa GonNa take it and run with it but yeah yeah and also I believe they. They come right back together in the next scene. slim in you know in the bully but there it's not mentioned like it's not really explained why they get back to the deleted scene yeah. Oh I'm sure there is a lot of deleted scenes in this hour and twenty minute film so keep if we finally only see Moose get to go to the autograph signing and has the chance to meet his hero Hunter Dunbar yeah right after he's not at the at the party yet. He's he's online too you know at at at the store from a couple of days ago go and get I mean he's only studies books. I think like he is also bought this three hundred dollar vest from the store right right that he intends to get autographs Rebecca Rico on it prop from a movie. It's a very elaborate like fake movie world. They've created. That's kind of like hard to like. The first couple of scenes they're talking about. A lot is if it's real and it's complicated yeah and so that Wild Moose is next in line to get his autograph from from Hunter Dunbar than there is the owner of the poster storyteller hundred number. Hey somebody's outside the C. You and it's hunter Dunbar's ex wife who has a date and she needs to drop their kid off at the autograph signing Yeah yes that she needs yeah. She comes to this dark alley drop. The kid off seems to have some sort of drug problem I think is I think implied later in the movie right that that Oh I didn't get uh when he's on the phone I think he says she has maybe some sort of substance abuse problem or something yeah okay. It didn't work out for one hundred bar. His wife is outgoing on dates. I I think that this is probably a I. You know you know had they minor complaint here or there about different. Things is in my relationship but I feel like me being you know getting. The kid dropped off with me so my wife can go on a date. It's the Ex Wife X. Y. Right exactly you either way here. You you watch you watch the kid I have a I have a date in five minutes yeah. Would that be upset set. You've said you know not my ideal circumstances. I don't think yeah I think yeah I luckily it hopefully won't happen but yeah I. I think you'd be more upset about the podcast. Be Fair like what I'm doing a podcast in the middle of in the middle of podcast you can go on a date and time so anyway then the Mousse is heating. He can't read the room. He's going to go out there and then try to talk to hunter Dunbar while he's trying to deal with this you know not so fun situation with his ex wife yeah and then it's just over I guess because he doesn't want to bring the kid into these you know grumpy monsters who are looking for autographs. He just basically cancelled the right at Hunter Dumbarton or does not want to sign anything he tells Moose. How about I sign your face with my fists here lies? One of the many issues with this film rob is that both Hunter Dunbar and Moose are widely unlikable people. We don't know who to root for. There's nobody does nobody likeable in the film. Maybe the girl Leah the narrator but she's not in that many scenes no and she's the third lead of the film so there's really no options therefore you yeah Moose's not not sympathetic protagonist in the film. I think if we were writing this movie I think you make the star very sympathetic right right right. This was not the case. This is not the case so Lee that after there is the incident with hundred number doesn't go according to plan she then does something which as she was trying to be nice but she this was probably misguided. She gives gives an APP to get an APP on a phone for Moose wear he can now get the star maps of see where you're all. The celebrities live yeah probably a bad she had to know this was a terrible idea and did it anyway. Yeah she did it anyway and we we will see as this turned out to be idea. We're going to see Moose writing a letter to Dunbar. He wants to tell Hunter Dunbar that he really has done him wrong. Mussa's just like filled with bad ideas and and we don't know much like we see flashbacks through his mom but he's very old Travolta's almost playing an older person in this more at least age appropriate but you know he looks better than his impossible. You know looks younger than his age so he really the only person the world is Leah Yeah and so he then is GonNa go hand deliver this letter to Hunter Dunbar's ars house and Hunter Dunbar is not receptive to getting a letter at his home fraud to be fair. I think that's a reasonable symbol. I think most celebrities with gated fences are not really amenable especially ones that have young children at home in a custody battle at some point yeah at any point in the film Akiva Head-hunter Dunbar just like patronized Moose hundred percent for five minutes. I you think you could make the argument of okay. This is now you know the stray cat and you've now fed at once and it's going to keep coming back but life compared to the alternative the way that this movie turns out really just announce kindness here from one hundred Dunbar. I think we're gone a long way. Yeah obviously you're right and even if you think it's a stray cat scenario like try ones. If it doesn't work then you do the same threat. You're doing the next time anyway and then move and then move yeah then you're stuck uh-huh okay all right so hundreds of our does something really messed up to move as you want an autograph okay he takes the marker any it then like very aggressively writes his name on Mussa's shirt which seemed like it was a mean act but I kind of feel like that you know if if moves really took a step back sweet yeah. I've signed a shirt before sure why not go for it. I I agree but I don't think Mussa Mussa use it that way now doesn't view it that way and Yada Yada Yada we have have moose than telling Leah about what he's up to. What's he up to as he he's been going to Dunbar's house and she's she's not she's not a fan yeah not not a fan and so that he's now getting more and more bold in terms of following following dunbar around? I mean he's unbelievable. Both at this point yeah. That's you know he really has no sort of its I think Moose. This is sort of cognitive abilities vary by seen in what for whatever it's convenient to that scene yeah if Moose is gonNA relate Leah about how that Dunbar does not take good care of his plants see really needs to be taking better care of his plants. We're now interestingly we are going to be a Susan introduced to a hundred bars gardner so really shading the Gardner yes who's also maybe you know has played a major role on the films and Eleo Julio the Gardner Yeah meanwhile visit Mussa still having more trouble at work with Todd the God whose bullying will continue there is a janitor in the Hollywood boulevard of Locker Room and he does take take a liking to Moose this is we're gonna see an interaction between Moose talking about well. He's still frustrated with todd the God the bully of Hollywood Boulevard traffic fighting with taught here is incredibly strong. I think most so that if you really provoke provoke him he will snap yeah Moses strong. He should be a bouncer. Yeah whatever it's Freddy Kruger one of our ops I hope not that'd be terrible able obsta have oh my gosh don't even read either like Chucky Freddy Kruger up there for you I really I never watched the Freddie Krueger Michael Myers movies movies yeah so I I would say I'm neutral on them but don't don't start a feud with them on Saint. My kids taught me with pennywise yes after my time me I also wouldn't mess with pennywise. No no I'd rather I'd rather deal with five Fred Krueger's than one pennywise oh boy. I didn't realize that powerful. I don't know what powers pennywise hats you just scare. Your say is very scary very scary. Okay so Dunbar. This is where things really start to take a turnover. Aren't we go we go back and we see Dunbar at his house and we're interest to Dunbar's housekeeper Dora little on the nose. I I thought Dora yeah for Fred durst in the writing of the film okay so dora the housekeeper she goes Intel's roles she spots Moose walking around and then we see Dunbar talked with Dora and then Dunbar who up to this point with sort of a sympathetic figure forces himself onto housekeeper door yeah and it's it's clear that they have had a relationship before four. He's sort of married I guess possibly she is married also very very likely because it's puzzling marriage totally he might be divorced but she very possibly isn't which is why he feels super bad. She says we can't do this anymore. Yes if done it clearly has strong feelings for Dora now. A physical relationship with the housekeeper is not a foreign in concept to US Akiva as we have talked about it both in Seinfeld polls show recap Jerry of course that day season nine episode. I believe where we're realize. You're gonNA say housekeepers now. So the Jerry was dating his is he's made and then he was paying her to clean the house and then she stopped cleaning the house and Jerry was left confused lay well. What am I paying for here right but then also if you recall in Robin Akiva Salva murder? Do you recall that this was a central point in the New York episode that could I forget where king maybe yes. That's right where Meghan markle played the role of one of the ex girlfriend maids of of the guy who was murdered. are you saying door is going to be the next queen well. I don't know if it's GonNa make it because then once Dunbar is gonNA leave. There is a run in with Moose who is trespassing on the property and then Dora starts like AAC beating him like a rug. She signs like hitting him with the stick. She's like trying to like get the dirt out of a rug. She still has her stick and then Mousse is going to push her. We talked about that the strength of Moose and she's going to fall and hit her head on a nearby. I found thin and Akiva she dead yes. She is dead and not addressed for almost the rest of the movie. Yeah like at least like three days go by. He's just dead in the like you laying there because he moved her body will be so. I think this is so poorly done. It's the biggest flaw in the war. This is a moose reacting to seeing what has happened to Dora the housekeeper housekeeper. I'm so sorry that's the nose bleed that that's bad. That's bad I hadn't nosebleed. It wasn't fun one but you fix it you tape paper towels and you put it up your nose like if only they got to the paper towels sooner yeah they could have been able to yeah all right so yes. He killed door of the housekeeper are but that's not gonNA stop him from. Hey houses open. Check out what's going on here at hunters doghouse yet not a lot of empathy from from John Travolta yeah so he starts going through all of Hunter Dunbar's stuff and finds some scripts some scripts that Hunter Hunter Dunbar is potentially considering and in the Meta moment of all time. Here's Moose talking about some of the projects that Hunter Dunbar is working on this is not a good script. He should not do it rob Yes yes. I like to say that this was intentional but I do not think it was not a good trip. He should not do it. You're thinking this was like a behind the scenes moment of somebody caught Travolta Alta like inbetween takes. I mean you think durst thinks his own script sucks. I doubt look. I don't think that it was intentional but it was certainly matter. The fourth wall was broken absolutely whether intentionally or not yeah okay so Moose is getting free reign of the House. Eventually Dunbar is going to come home and Moose is GonNa Hide Nicole yeah very late like he really he uses bathroom. You said he reads an entire script would probably take awhile like Oh. He uses the toothbrush dues this this toothbrush yeah okay and so done bar is going to he's on the phone with somebody. I think so so he's basically he's trying to get some advice about what had recently happened with the incident with Dora. Not Her being murdered when he forced himself on her hey now I guess the main again who's on the phone. I don't know he must have a friend talked to do like a bro that like yeah yeah. That'd be a therapist. Could it be called US therapist. Possibly there was you know another sexual assault over here but hey idiot so that is so me that is so far plastic man that's so Dunbar it could be a sitcom yeah so oh he goes and finds Julio The groundskeeper groundskeeper Julio and then says hey did a door say anything to you about there. Being a Trespasser here very casual very casual. Yeah seems wholly he was so upset about about being there and now seems wholly unconcerned that they had a lurker on the property. Yeah like boy crazy door. What was she even talking about? Literally said doors really upset if she cares I care so it's just heavy handedly sadly showing you how in love Dunbar is with with with Dora the made because you know e- clearly it should be his concern and and by the way his son lives there but no he's only concerned because the the door was a little scared yeah okay that if anybody's falling close I think elitist actually out of order then he comes back again and I think that's when he kills door but you get the you get the gist you get the you get the idea he goes back back and forth like seemingly breaks what four or five times a Dunbar's house absolutely he is a master breaker inner yeah if nothing else he's upset about a number of things including that Dunbar doesn't have ice cream in the freezer for the kid Danny big running subplot. He loves strawberry ICE CREAM MILKSHAKES YEP the payoff just a character trait right. It would've made sense of at the end there. was there or something yeah Akiva also that that we learned that Dunbar needs to take a prescription drugs to go to sleep. I guess that this is going to be a plot point in that it allows those moves to get into the house more often because I think that he has to take some sort of like Ambien to go to sleep the it it makes extent they did that because it is a big plot point that I wrote at first I it's such a movie trope that like a guy sleeping you're able to fully time up without waking him right with the fact that he's taking sleeping meds actually makes it have a little more sense yeah okay so who over this Moose comes was in and out and he's just like messing with Dunbar it goes on for for a while. The next thing I wanted to touch on is the next morning thing after Moose like sleeps over and it's like taking selfies with Dunbar while he's sleeping. Let let's talk about Akiva when Dunbar are is taking his kid danny to school okay and tell me if this is a conversation that you've ever had with your kids. You're okay with some music. You like limp biscuit a little biscuit. I used to listeners backing. They nice is keep me like a little biscuit. I used to like a little biscuit very little I I gotta say then this was that was the scene that that went viral right that not viral but that was the scene that people were playing clipping in play for on twitter. I mean he put a love slow a love deflator that had no place in the movie to his own Oban. That's reviled yeah in in in the middle of the movie for absolutely no reason is a wildest yeah was that to make Dunbar more unlikable. Oh Amy we're liking him too much. We're feeling good fantastic him a biscuit head. I make him a biscuit brain and then this out of liking him all right so Akiva where do you. Where do we go from from here? Yes she's dead. Nobody really says anything ah now he sees him driving on the street. He Sees Moose. Travolta musette spent the night at Dunbar's house. It's like a messy and then he's like walking home and then Dunbar runs into him just thinking he's in the neighborhood and the goes off on goes nuts on him. Hey I told you to stay out of my neighborhood even though he had been like hovering over Dunbar while he was sleeping the entire night by the narrator had said I have no idea why Moosewood go back to that man's house but I suppose that when you find the cookie jar you always go back for more famous expression right the narration is out of Control Control in this film later on in the film. This is my favorite line of narration and I will say that this if if you're listening to this with young children in the room of just say warning this piece of narration is NSF w here is Leah. The Narrator Moose didn't just crossed the line he fucking nuke looking. I feel like in the script. It was like obliterated. They're like say new classic Moose Classic most yeah all right I mean this is all going to culminate that tagline when people say they need he'd Robert Kifah Merch. Should it be like Robin Kiva don't cross the line they F- for Nuke it a nuclear bomb like blowing up the lines we'll we'll consider it will put that in in the merch tournament okay all right so we just go back and forth a lot in this we end up with a really long misery type sequence where he is going to end up with Dunbar are tied up actually before let me just he tells Leah about what's going on. I think he was like putting on his social media about how what he was doing and Leia is like are you crazy moose. Knock it off. What are you doing Leigh probably the only person is following him or Al Gore right right the police have not been alerted to any of this? TMZ DMZ social media a thing like it definitely takes us film definitely takes place in two thousand nineteen ish like they don't do a great job of it but at least they mentioned social media but yeah okay so when Leah tries to come down on Moose Moose you can't be doing this. You have to stop breaking into hunter Dunbar's House House. This is his response to her. Okay look at this. You blocked your block for my social media. You go when you get your blocked blocked. Okay all right so he's also a bigger budget movie would show him blocking her. They just sorta like show it from afar right so we have like the now the probably the biggest sequence in the movie of Hunted Dunbar is tied up that he's been like e third somehow by a Moose yeah and right so he wakes up and I said right and I guess it's very strong. I mean to be tied up legs and hands like that while you're still asleep. I don't think you could tie. I'm a heavy sleeper. I don't think you could do that to me. yeah I don't know what he did but somehow he was able to get dunbar completely ties out son is never home when this happens would you guess makes sense because then Moose becomes like even less likeable if he's doing this when sons there in the sun gets involved yeah. This is how Moose describes what is happening to Dunbar got jigsaw yeah some of the movie references a real and then some of them are fake hundred Dunbar's in them yeah he has like. Is this a fake knife or is he just pretending to stab him. It looks like oh he just killed onto del Mar.. He has like a butcher knife stabs him in the chest a bunch hundred times. I couldn't figure out exactly it was it was a big because he's trying to prove a good actor and he's like those guys on Hollywood Boulevard. Was it a fake knife I or did he have some sorta like blood packets in a vast but moose was really impressed with how that exchange went down to your really good here cricket. You're you're better than James Curtis. WHOA WHOA that's hyper high praise so they go back and forth and then eventually ah Hunter Dunbar like sweet talks his way out of this he tells Moose that basically he's not mad and they're going to be friends? They're going to hang out and it's going to be awesome. Yeah I mean he buys it but as a as a viewer you know he's about to flip on it yeah now at one point joint. We hear that Dunbar is going to say he said something. That moves doesn't like I think it's when he says just promise Miss. You're not gonNA hurt my kid and that really sends Moose flying off the handle using a stocker. Yes you do but could everywhere your moods. Even the crappy ones yeah. Oh what a stalker do that I don't know are we stalkers yeah yeah. I Guess Yeah Anyway Akiva so we see the Mousse is GonNa Eventually Untie Dunbar yeah immediately Dunbar. WHO's lay doesn't even wait for his legs untied which seems like a bad strategic move right thinks completely untitled is clearly gonNA anti entire rate for the what does he them and punches him and then also that I guess Moose forgot to remove move the loaded shotgun which was next to the bed and also the big butcher knife machete Jedi which was in the nightstand or planning the Meuse Yeah so Dunbar he ends up up unloading the shotgun blows? Moose's handoff is pretty graphic pretty graphic yeah and then then we see that is confusing and it was not not unlike some game of thrones episodes it was so dark I could not follow what was happening. I would say that's should be the tagline like that should be the poster so Dr Movie with sorry I think they tried to hide. Hello budget was and sort of did a good job but by sacrificing all the light almost like his apartment is incredibly dark. This the store is so so dark right like the lights are on in the memorabilia store only on Hollywood boulevard at night. The movie is Pitch Black. Okay in the movie so dark that you you. You're never be the same anyway so we're going to get out how then he's GonNa Missing on purpose. What's going on here with like a bunch of shotgun rounds are fired but this seems like he's just trying to like Deafen Deafen Moose? I'm not sure I'm like he's not trying to kill him. Why why not try to kill him? Yeah I don't know I guess I guess the proof is he gets accused of murder didn't even do so maybe he's right. He's GonNa Maim Ham where he blows his hand off and then he stabs him in I with a butcher knife very gory this it's weird because like this it was this was never comedy like you said but it went from being pretty light thriller to Being Really Gory Graphic like Hari in these final scenes like it gets progressively darker in every scene yes literally and figuratively and then he ends up and somehow l. like letting Moose go where he doesn't kill him any. Let's go and he doesn't call the police like was he honoring the deal that he made with Moose about how hey if you untie me I won't call the police may just letting frustration out by chopping off his hands yeah but I'm GONNA blow your hands back at this point sell so moose is going to then run out to the streets of Hollywood boulevard other tourists that are taking selfies with him because they think he's like like some sort of like a horror movie creature yes and then after that Lee is GonNa find him Mahmoud Mousse. What happened to you yet because it's? LA IN US run into people young street whenever you want yeah and it seems like they're like at this point. They're like okay okay their friends again now their for their friends again and then we cut back to the police are going to show up at Dunbar's house else and guess who they're with Julio the Gardner and they're wondering the whereabouts pointing of Dora though door the housekeeper where is she. Oh man he's in big trouble yeah. He's pointing right at Underdone Bar. The Julio the garden take him away to Dunbar wrongfully accused of the murder of of door the made in the West put him in the put them in the COP car. I they can't have much evidence. I feel like historic will check out when when Moose's missing a hand right like I feel like there's a lot of evidence Moussa's blood Moose would probably have some sort of fingerprints on Adora like you know. The movie makes us think that Moose's GonNa stay. They added jail and hunter. Dunbar is is infrared but I'm not so sure Hunter Dunbar was the star of several action adventure films on the night of August seventeen. Police say that he murdered his housekeeper but that's not the story that Dunbar tells he tells the story of an obsessed fan who broke in and entered his home on many occasions he he says that he left behind a lot of evidence that the police have not yet explored what happens at Hunter Dunbar's home and who's really telling the truth was it Julio the Gardner was it Danny the ice cream lists boy and what of all the memorabilia that was missing from Hunter Dunbar's house will the police look at any of the DNA in the blood that does not appear to be the blood of Dunbar or Dora the housekeeper why does TMZ have so much so many so many stories about this. It's almost must like they have an inside source. He knows everything about one hundred Dunbar find out on serial season four coming coming in two thousand twenty twenty twenty four directed and written by me Fred durst. It was just like anybody like a little biscuit. It's funny because Sarah like instead of doing like audible. Ads are whatever whenever that was the season one big male chimp mail chimp what if what what if instead of the male chimps stuff like she just organically. We've been how much she loves. Flipping Eleven episode and I Love Music of Lynn Place Advertising Yeah you think Sarafina is a biscuit. I would be shocked that would be very surprised if she was a big Olympic skit fan but what were their big hits hits for Olympic faith. That was the big one faith which is she did it all for the nookie. Ryan rake stuff breaks stuff yeah. I know any other any other hits I yeah I think they had a bunch. I mean they were really big like there. Were months where they were the biggest band than Earth One. Yeah it's really like role in a row and was a big one. I don't regret growing up in the late nineties and I but I do think in particular like the music the cock rock wherever the that's what they call it then I was like you know anything emanating from Jacksonville no offense to our one Jacksonville listener with the entered like I don't think like really does not hold up. I mean their biggest album. I think was called chocolate starfish and the hot dog flavored water. That's right right and you hate all things chocolate yeah and also you're mixing milk. Milk and meat at that point was okay. I'll elliot five fair yeah. I don't know if it's actually cocoa based product but anyway Kiva so what that's the film and then also there's a number of murals that pop up on the screen. What'd you think of that? They spend half the budget how I wonder if he's an artist and he did it because they weren't bad but they really didn't have much of a place in the film the hard to explain without their sort of animated murals murals right yeah. It wasn't like the worst shot movie I've ever seen. There weren't a lot of like insane decisions visually other than the aforementioned darkness which may have been a Motif they were going for okay. What does the film saying wha what is the message of the fanatic? I think that stalking is bad but don't call me a star like it's a great question. I don't really think it has a message. This is a much better film than the animal. We watched two weeks ago right yeah in this movie bad Yes yes. Is it deplorably bad. A couple of you. Read some reviews all right Brian Tell Rico from Roger Ebert Dot Com. He says fritters the fanatic hates fans. It hates actors in haste tourists. It hates shopowners and service shopowners yeah. It really really hates autistic people and meets you. It's a movie that thinks your knee at someone who won't see through its shallow provocations illogical behavior and violence therapy. It's one thing for a movie to be deadly dial or incompetently made and this movie is both of these things to be sure but it descends to another level when you realize that it exists perhaps even intentionally do nothing more than a cinematic version of an Internet troll. Find the block button for this one yeah yeah okay I guess in the words of Moose okay. That's a look at this. You're blocked your block from my social media. Can I read I read a joint Anderson from the Wall Street Journal one of the country's finest newspapers right yeah he's talking about Travolta and he says in his youth if the actor enjoyed the kind of incandescent stardom that can't really be earned and will inevitably burn at a lower wattage but he's proved himself time and time again to be a hugely talented actor something from mm-hmm which is early celebrity. It's probably distracted without cataloging. His career has been terrific in any number of high profile projects not just about fiction get shorty but also smaller nourish movies like the Undersung Sung lonely hearts you also made it should be noted wild hogs so one can understand the drove the fanatic for someone like Mr. Travolta it calls for full immersion mentally Lee and physically and he pulls it off. Oh Rob at the Wall Street Journal this movie a Positive Review. Wow Oh yeah okay. That's The Wall Street Journal. Forget people are canceling their times this week I think you've gotTA cancel. Wsj I with some listeners I posted that if anybody buddy wanted you know help find the on demand I would. I would help any listener so Kelly W I think that's to use up W UH-HUH she has some takes she says my apologies the fellow Canadian Devon Sawa for being con- taking this role yeah Why did John Travolta's Travolta's agent? Let Him do this movie she asks. We don't think he has I. She says todd the street performer looks like a Jack Eric Stein. I could see that he may be next. Week's guest todd the street performer. Although I heard he doesn't respect Hollywood he's full of Doodoo. It doesn't respect Hollywood. I respect Hollywood. Is this sequel to Larry. David's curb your enthusiasm due respect would Hollywood a Hollywood yes. She S A fair question. Which is why does hunter Dunbar not have simply safe yeah you'd the simpsons sneaks in the house? It's because the maid is dead and the doors. Oh Yeah it's an expensive yeah. No yeah no simplisafe you want to sponsor the podcast. We will ask that about every character in every movie yeah yet. She's offended on Jamie. Lee Curtis behalf their name was even brought up in the garbage. We should've known when Travolta the thought of drag queen was Taylor Swift a few weeks ago that he's anymore like he he didn't yeah Do we think sympathetic character she is in general it had a feel about him and did Fred. There's really Edna seen just dimension Limp Yup. He's Canadian yeah so yeah I apologize is to the ten or so listeners who we forced to watch this keyboard. You can confirm that this film did not make Muccio Donald Trump at the box office right now. I think it made like three thousand dollars Donald Trump. I think like you would be like mu-chou Marianne Williamson at the box office yeah that's what automate and made Muccio Williamson may be Tom so I would say Tom Steiner but he's he's billionaire right so it's not up to Yang love yeah yeah yeah we were running against trump for the Republican primary made Muccio them yeah okay yeah so I Apologize Trust anyone who watched this movie. I don't think it's going to have a long. It's not bad enough to be like the rule mich- right now so I don't think it's like campy bad. It's fun to watch bed but I don't think it's going to have a cult following ever. I don't think so and maybe after this maybe after we were going to bring more eyeballs to it much like the king cake baby than anyone has ever brought yeah we were able to get Travolta on the podcast for the mailbag next week. You'd think Travolta's not even a main guest for the show only after this yeah I think so you find you have at this. If I had one last week I I I was going to reveal it. I was GONNA have John Travolta. Be The guest on twitch this season yes so we really. I shouldn't have thrown at last week. I guess okay all right before we get to the mail bag this week. let me take Gigamon thank our sponsor for the podcasts those our friends over at bed online that ag the people who make the podcast one sports net challenge possible all and boy. I took a dive last week. I think I only got three points from my picks. Last week. I was in sole possession of first place and I've squandered it. I'm I'm now tied for second place but Kiva. Let me let me give you my picks for for this week. Lock it in with the Patriots over the Redskins Yeah. That's a pretty safe bet make sense. I'm GONNA take the eagles against the jets like another. Another safe bet very very safe bet yeah. Although you know. MAYBE MAYBE SAMMY DIS coming back this week who knows Yo Lemme. LemMe consult the magic eight ball here. SAM DARNOLD is not coming back in week number five. I don't think so I took the saints over the box. Sorry sorry John John Okay. I'm going to take the chargers over the broncos smart okay and then the chiefs over the calls halts. Those are my week five picks here on the podcast one sportscenter. I'm taking on the other hosts of all the podcast one shows you can follow a podcast one sports CNET DOT COM and of course all of that is possible by our friends over at bet online dot. Ag Could Take Advantage of the best bonuses genesis in the business when you sign up for a free account and make sure you use that Promo Code podcast one for your fifty percent sign up bonus. Nfl College Football MLB playoff action all heating up this week with games. You're not gonNA WANNA miss out on in the NFL in addition to some of the matchups. I talked about this the rams at Seattle the Baltimore Pittsburgh Green Bay at Dallas Cleveland in San Francisco in college football tons of great matchups in week number six Georgia Tennessee Auburn with our friend Kaelin from Auburn at Florida the Big Game Akiva to top ten teams yeah oh by the way we got another. We have a lot of haters in Auburn robbed. You know we have another auburn hater voice go. I'm impressed you know all the SEC teams James. You're not a big college football guy yeah okay so this is from courtney from Auburn and she was very upset about last week's Auburn bashing and she says I'd like to take and much. It's an episode fifty concerns which I believe is episode forty nine concerns was is this long. Can I finish finish the all right. We'll we'll come we'll come back with more auburn complaints there's plenty of going on to college football as well as the MLB playoffs as well with all of the AL and NL Diaz action going on I also saw that on line that ag you can bet on like a WHO will be lead the new manager for certain teams ooh Hoo Hoo going to bet on for the mets Girardi Carlos Beltran cost the least whoever is going to have the lowest salary that might be John Travolta. Throw him in the mets the okay visiting DOT AG and don't forget the Promo Code podcast one for your fifty fifty percent sign up bonus. That's been online dot. Ag Your Online sports book experts all right. Let's get into this week's mailbag and once again we have a guest here for the mail bag in the studio here with us great friend of the podcast longtime renown up listener out here on the West Coast this week please welcome Sam. I am more San how are you. I'm good. I'm sorry I'm not John Travolta here to help out with the bag I am Sam is is with US Akitas a bad precedent rob. You said he's a big Fan. He's in your house. This is the wrong episode to have a listener in your house. I think now while I've known Sam for a while so like it seems it's like it's a big planets fine talking about it Sam there I I if he wants me to sign anything I'm just going to do. I'm not going to put up a fight about anything and he can go see if we have any ice cream or anything downstairs and hopefully hopefully everything is going to be on the level but anyway so sam. Sam is here that he also watched the film before we did the podcast today. I mean watch a loose term kind of thing yeah. Did we miss anything on fanatic. I I think we covered everything. I think those graffiti pictures were really interesting. Just like what's going on thing made no sense but this fund fun enough. I guess yeah I wasn't in pain like I was during the animal. I think I'm happy we watched it. I think people will enjoy doing talk about it more than they would have enjoyed watching the film. Okay Okay you want to get back to the Auburn complaint section. Yes so we've made is all done our ops that we need to put the entire school though we have fro uh-huh album like the whole state with our French on the mailman. Maybe it's just the Alabama half or really ninety percent of the Iron Bowl and not the auburn ten percent so anyway I so I bashed Auburn last week and she said the first instance of her concern was the Baena lessons podcasts when Akiva reference the Auburn Takes 'em Game Akiva indicated the sport of the Ag with Oh Texas now remember I hadn't mentioned Kaelin from Auburn's complaints but I had already read them and knew they were coming. Which said that she said Auburn won the game by the way they'd won the last three meetings at Southfield this annoyed me more than sent me but I want to let you all know that I voted since the behalf of the state of Alabama that it keeps US cool? I'm there sitting that vote. Oh in the world is not John Camp. Well rescinded much like Auburn's two thousand fifteen national championship with Cam Newton being paid will probably happen at some point to as you might imagine imagine. She says I was deeply devastated. Here you rob voice or support of the Alabama Crimson tide. I believe in my heart. This was a flippant comment and that is not a true representation of your character actor. I believe he took some time to get to know Auburn graduates and what we stand for. You'd have a change of heart. I'd be happy to host you at home football game at Jordan Hare Stadium Anytime soon experienced special the bond we Auburn Tigers have with our school. Don't bring Akiva far. I'm and War Eagle. That's their that's their rally cry. Yeah I would just start start saying war eagle and if you ask me a question and answer is yes. I think we should implement the War Eagle System into this podcast switching teams rob she says ps shadow got to Kaitlin from Auburn. Let's hang shall we shall we set up these two disgruntled Auburn Fan as a friend date and see if if they should come friends. Should I give them each other's emails now so so I said roll tide on podcast you. I don't think you said roll tide. I think you said I said I asked you if you like Auburn our Alabama amount which side of the Iron Bowl you choosing Joe Name Plate Alabama yes yeah so that's loyalty Cam Newton Guy I mean I'm not anti Cam- I mean I don't want them in fantasy this year so I really had positive experiences with my Cam Newton I mean Alabama you know most the NFL fell from Alabama yeah. They're the best. It hurts if you're courtney okay well. I don't know how much interest there is in this debate. I think we'll add we're going to think I'm going to set them up and see if they could. They could be happy with each other. Okay clear teams right all right. Let's talk about Mount Rene more and what we have have in store for the mailbag this week. Yes I'm GonNa make a prediction that I've never made before yes. I here's here's my it's more of a goal than a prediction but my goal for mountain out more. This week is to get all four ideas on the wheel. I think it's a realistic goal. I think we're coming in hot this week. I had ten hours to five hour mornings in a row to marathon synagogue service days where I I sorta sit with my own thoughts all out of time and think about ideas and how to improve episodes and also some some pictures of my own in addition to maybe maybe tinkering with some other ones that were sent then okay. I really think rob and Sam we have a chance to go forte or if not go close to it four for four orm. We haven't put much on the wheel in the last two months. We we put this on the wheel and then we put ideas on last week but that's it. We really the wheels that's ever been so there is definitely space for new ideas. Okay all right maybe Sam I should've paid off before but maybe Sam will help me out on my best all right all right so here we go. Here's here's the first idea okay. This is called two angry men. Are you familiar with the play and subsequent movies twelve angry men a jury yes by the way there's no women in that jury is that explained that or no but anyway a jury of twelve angry men. This is called two angry men rob. We have a true through crimes are unsolved. Mysteries expert come on the show and they and they basically give us five ten minutes synopses sees of a couple one time a couple famous true crimes that we are not super. It's not going to be oh Jane jumping it would be maybe something we'd heard of but I don't know anything more than that or maybe something we'd never heard of and they're gonna lay it all the details for five or ten minutes and then the jury you and me need to decide if the person person is innocent or guilty who did it if not solve mystery you know where you know what happened where the disappear to that sort of thing you and me are two man jury two angry men so are these like murder cases they. I mean it could be whatever you want. We have a lot of flexibility. It could be any unsolved mystery so it doesn't have to be you know violent crime. It certainly could be but it's it's unsolved mysteries. It's basically something where there are two or more options to story we the the ultimate the ultimate answer is as of yet unknown but me and you're gonNA lay down the law and decide what happened. Okay Sam. Would you WANNA listen to this podcast yeah. I think it's pretty good definitely want to here. You guys go back for guilty not guilty. I think it just comes down to if we get the right cases if they're interesting enough obviously everybody knows. Oj and that's always good fodder for conversation but some these lesser known ones. I don't know it it could be interesting. It's just it really comes down to who would that specialist specialist potentially be and if they're interesting enough and not dislike permits or something boring never are we going to find out the right answer like do we send a person electric chancer well. I don't think we're I don't think there is a right answer like like I don't think murder or anything yeah yeah. This one does not sound Super Fun to me where we're hearing like sorta like the grisly details of murders and if it's not one of its not a murder it could be an unsolved mystery. It could be a bank robbery. It could be a bank robbery. It could be your D B Cooper type thing that doesn't have to be death involved or violent crime. there are lots of unsolved mysteries that don't involve you have somebody that would be preparing this. Do you have a host we would we would. I don't have one in mind. I think that's I'm bringing up now. Do you have one great if not maybe the right person is out there and then Tonio Massaro conspiracy pot right yeah so I think I need to hear more details. I am not ready to put this on the wheel say anything about her. I think put it out in the universe back. We definitely killing anything right can convict you're giving it. A nose bleed. Get some paper towels. It'll be fine okay. The next idea is is called the rant off for the rant Olympics. Whatever you WANNA call it okay we are given basically ahead of topics and we pick out a topic and let's say you go first then you get you know making right on red or anything rant on anything in the world the Pumpkin spice in October and you have sixty seconds to rant about that and then I will go in a hat and I will have sixty seconds to ran on you know how early the basketball season starts any whatever just random listener submitted topics and then we have each durant lap and you know we'll repeat this bunch of times and then nine people the Supreme Court who are listening but are not on the podcast so we would talk to them? Somehow are going to vote for who had the best rent each time. You could also call this if you want. If you don't like the idea the rant off a cousin podcast to the heartache or also we have a podcast in the wheel called Mount Rushmore which really has no no structure or no plans for we really call this Mount Rushmore we could change it to mount ramp more and try and get the four best rants. I guess winning rants so I I wasn't super excited about this that I feel like this little feels like Adam Corolla game to complain about different things but I really loved the idea of the Supreme Court being involved yes the Supreme Court which could become involved in many other wheel ideas but but I think this could be there I use right and it would be nine. People who first and foremost available possibly drew midday were recording their number one great Syria would be their availability recorder a habit of soda around our schedules. Yes this is Thursday afternoon. It could be Saturday Sunday could be any day and they will not be on the podcast. I also think shut up Tim included this. We we have a we have like a podcast bailiff where he would be you know like one maybe because the pike is it's just me and you like topic bailiff and they are sort of picking the topics for us and their own. Maybe corralling that the Supreme Court people and counting their votes for us. If if we're ranting about different things that's very hard to like. I'm ranting about apples your ranting about oranges. Can you compare those two rants literally apples. Yes well you could be the Samantha about the same thing I had this thought but I wonder if it gets old to hear to rants about the same topic topic it's. I don't think that's a deal bring question one way or the. It's just your preference. I think the issue there is if you guys agree on the same on one topic and you're GonNa be ranting ranting about the same points then it becomes repetitive. You always have to two opposite so think rob in terms of doing different rants I think think first of all we reaping that of a hat or we could just be picking from a pool of like thirty rant ideas so you know it is apples to oranges a little bit but I think ultimately ultimately especially if we're picking it's just the quality of the rant it you know literally a good ranters could make any rain good and a you know even the worst topic and vice versa so oh. I don't know but I think the Supreme Court What do you think about mount ramp more now rant more? I think that's that's fine. I WANNA get hung up on the name around. It doesn't need to be nine. Nine is a little unwieldy. I know this real supreme. Court has nine nine seven. It could be any odd number five or tribunal yeah yes yeah available but I also think we're not really dealing with tech so much right there. There may be listening in to us on on some on whatever platform right and they should be all independent they should be locking their votes in and we don't even know who's on the Kaya Gray Yeah I agree the Supreme Court the Chad okay. Maybe after the fact we'll we'll we'll be interesting yeah and also maybe the the topic bailiff can be getting like they could also submit. Maybe like a one one-sentence like Akiva. The winter yet judge number two says judge number to keep is the winner and maybe if they have like a quick but one-sentence quip you know so you can read like one of those per per rent for one of the nine people or something yeah people okay so I like the idea I don't know whether or not it should be the same topic or different topic yeah so I put that as a poll same topic or different tigers to specific for a twitter about I mean I think anybody that let's say as you're in the in the Patriot group. You can answer whatever's the more populous guy though that's good yeah then we'll get some feedback on that also yeah I think the Supreme Court in we need ready to go on the wheel yet or do you think it's still needs of twenty. I think it needs a week of a week to tweak a week weekday tweet okay. I like. I like shut up Tim topic bailiff. This was the first to ideas. Were both mine but yeah I like. I like the idea of a topic. It's pretty fun okay and they're not Supreme Court. I think it by the way it doesn't have to be the same nine every time. It's all about availability if rival you're on it but you could be kicked off you know if you're a Roberts Aubert's whoever's on the Supreme Court now if you're not once out forever but what is absolutely John Roberts like if it was the Real Supreme Court. It would be funny if you missed one day. You're just out forever yeah. I don't know how hilarious that was. You know better than I think he was saying that there's like a foreperson of like like the I think there should be a four person. Also I do think there should be a chief mega chief Jocelyn Napster things. That's so interesting. Maybe it'd be funny if we're getting mad at them also yeah I think we listened won't be able to hear them during the podcast yeah it'd be able to hear US I. I think that there should be maybe on this should be a judging panel but I don't think that the you are the Supreme Court should be based on availability like I kind of feel like that there. Should we're GONNA. WE'RE GONNA pick people but we also have to like say hey. The podcast is Thursday at four like we'll ask people but let's or whatever five people seven people but then and if they say no. We'll just keep going down the list but you know it's not only based on availability but you know we're not gonNA. We're not GONNA be able to find if we pick nine and people are seven people. We wouldn't ever find the time that they're all available. It'd be like a fantasy baseball draft right You're never gonNA. You're never gonNA make everyone happy. I don't know okay all right so the minor issues the tinker with but I do think this is this. This is an idea people would really like and it's also you know repeatable idea. If it's good okay so would the supreme court be completely anonymous. Do we know who they are. It should be anonymous here for this. Is that the judging panel like we tailor our arguments to that we even know who's on the panel like a bunch of Canadians or something we could be like pro candid Iran's. It'd be interesting we could figure that but also if are we going to be able to get all nine to talk afterwards because that would be. I think that's why I think that maybe this should just be some. I love the idea of course we do three but I feel like that. This should be maybe just like an anonymous anonymous judging panel okay fine. Maybe everyone who listens can vote we could work that like anyone who's listening to live can vote okay. What about curt corker markers? Somebody could work that out. We gotTA figure okay. Oh absolutely absolutely okay great all right those those were my synagogue ideas all all right. madly gory says what about a Matt Bracket Robin Keep pick a favorite Matt. I really like this. It's basically very simple. It's a Matt Tournament and we put thirty two or sixty four or not one hundred twenty eight hundred fifty six mats in a bracket so it's you know and it could be maybe one has mats and one fs Matthews so it could be Matthew mcconaughey and Matthew Broderick and Matthew Fox Matt Stafford and Matt Harvey Matt Harvey Matt Liguori Mac Geoghegan any man that we know and we decide once and for a WHO is the world's greatest matt very simple no prepping nor no prep needed. If it works we could literally do it a billion times because we do robs and John's things we can do. Jennifer is like every name on earth all right I went through the mats and there's a lot of really good Matt's. I think it would be great to the side and crowned the King of the mets. Maybe maybe it should be called King of the mets all right Sam. I have a feeling I think I know what you're GONNA say Robert. I'm all in on this. What am I gonNA say? What am I gonNA say? You're probably going to v a little bit more. Maybe not I don't want to offend any man. I don't want to offend anybody cares. Who's the Best Matt I put it on the wheel but on the wheel yeah they don't care yet I think leaning more towards put it on thirty two fans? If it's football season I don't have time for big. Obviously this seems like peak off season thirty. Two one chester could be the third guest here. I think this I think I think this is an automatic. People will chester. The third guest is sweet deal for me. No no I think the third guest has to be a matt. I think that would be terrible tonight. Ever met met Liguori says idea Imac Geoghegan said he's going to be left out of it. He already knows oh no. I was saying like some of these mass like we could have a Mat Liguori Gory Matt Geoghegan Faceoff and Describing Day or the Superior Matt Oregon but if I always sort of look at this not from what I wanted to Matt Matt. Let's say you're not a man. I'm you know I'm just a you know a regular rene listener in in in Wichita and I don't know Ma Goria Mac Geoghegan well. They're not too far away. Honestly no offense the great mats from Long Island. They're really not I mean other than it's Matt's idea like. They're not probably contenders to win. That's more of a Matt Mikan Balaguer. I don't WanNA throw him into the bus. He didn't really know Matt McConnell was so he must be very young. Matthew mcconaughey Matthew Fox Matthew Broderick and there's a I don't have the holistic matthews in front of me but there's a lot of celebrity mattress from survivor Amazon. Yeah Matthew fell well. We don't want yeah. Is there a Matthew Division that I think there's a Matthew Matt. I think there's two brackets in the championship is Mattress Matthew. Yeah it's a good it's a good question all Maddie's and then we could actually have some women the Bragg that's I think that's the right move matters in their br. I super excited about this one. How do you feel very strongly about it? I still have a veto in my pocket. Get the wheel veto it. If I hear from my constituents relooked the mad idea is not great. What if yeah yeah what if two days after the podcast comes out I put up a twitter poll? Should we do king of the Matt's where we pick the world audience wants it then. Can you show me the polling data again on board so I thought you're gonNA say yes this and again if this works there's an infinite number of episodes that we think of again again rob's versus John's. Yes you know Dale's Don's you it can have the best donny's on thirty two fan. Best is what Sam is a good one SAM. She's also like a very gender neutral. You really want that for like this. Okay all right John Another Jonathan wrote in for our fourth idea. I thought I was going to go three four. I am so far over three none of the IDEAS ZOR dead. I think they're all in the wheel waiting room right. Yeah I think but this was the one that had the least chance I says here's my idea for the next episode of her nap so I don't know he thinks there's no wheel. It's just the next episode Robin Akiva get stuck in Groundhog Day in this episode Robin Keevil reruns of Classic Bill Murray Movie Grandpa Day on a nonstop loop for twenty four hours or only only once in you'll lie and say you watch for twenty four hours and then podcasts about the best movie nineties you've been so tethered to crab move diaper. Shouldn't you be able to podcast about a good move for once what some topics will include wardrop into mcadoo if they got stuck living the same day over again how many days are years and years was still connor stuck repeating groundhog day and other granddad questions. What do you think about the idea of us this rewatching Greenwich Dan you could tinker with the actual time it could be once a day every day for a week three times? In a row two thousand five times could be this could be a groundhog's Day. Only we'll slot the but it gets like you know ten ten slots that one week I don't know what do you think about this idea where we watched the movie Groundhog Day a lot of times. I don't Wanna I watch a lot of time. Yeah that's my problem. I don't Love I love the idea of watching a movie. a lot like this was one of the original ideas right watching the same episode of Csi New York Look every single week imagine doing that this week do you. Do you want to go back and watch the fanatic tomorrow. No a little bit I would the third time it would be bad but if it was just on in the background by the so what do you think I it's definitely funny thing of a groundhog day only like the week groundhog day. We watch every day for a week well. It's on the wheel but it gets like super size that one week sure if it was like the week leading up to groundhog's Day. I'm fine with giving nate someone remind me of that. I think that the challenge there with a good movie is a and I don't know you might be a little more tapped on this than than I am. Have there been a lot of podcast exploring the movie groundhog day. I've never heard one but I'm sure there so it's been it's been doc but I know to watch groundhog day. And what was it like ninety two so it's not like we're serving in in groundhog's Day right right like we're just repeating the movie over and over and over. I'm not gonNA watch like Nobody's forcing but then. I don't think we need to do it then. I don't think we we need our takeover watching once something fun to kind of change it up during that week a couple years back they made groundhog day musical which bombed so maybe like listen to the music music and just pick that apart because I don't think it's good I do feel that people would be interested in US talking about groundhog day a if it was the week of groundhog day I agree I also like the idea of and this would be during your off season. I thank great granddaughter of US watching the same thing over and over again also if we get the audience involved in there also watching every single day with us or like five times in one day and like you know sending in their experiences and their takes do think there's some definitely some content the mind there. Perhaps perhaps but I'm not sure if the juices worth the squeeze necessarily early of like okay you know potentially ten to twelve hours of watching groundhog day. I'm not sure if that will yield much more fruit in terms of a better podcasts guests than watching it once okay come out are in the movie more so than anything else yeah. I called my shot. I said we could get everything on the wheel. Although I was not it all optimism about the groundhog day idea and we have a big offer although I do think Matt's has a chance because that's going to Paul and the Randolph I think will be on the we just have to work on the on the logistics okay one more one more seasonal idea. Okay okay the NAP costume contest. I'm not who sent in this idea okay. Here's your Halloween idea. I think it's scratches the calendar Itch a bracket yes bracket of possible reneged base choline costumes listeners can submit and be as detailed medicines creatives possible Brittany's turn the best the best costume which represents our anap but could also feasibly be created created winning costume. Would it be adapted as the official renowned cost them for anything. That doesn't have an idea following bonus post Halloween. You would probably get listener photos of Rene Costume Okay. This is what I would want all right. I want the bracket to be people willing to do their rene costume and what would be and then if they win then they are hereby obligated and not like one of these you can name more baby no like like a real hand Bible get bailiff to swear them in hand on a Bible Rob. I think we said we were taking playing on the word. It's late late at night again. the again a collateral yeah well from last week. I'm saying remember to think we take we're GONNA take their rolex or something until they dress up. We're we trust with our listeners and so I lost all I can't trust anybody and you gotta get over the past that so I that people write in and they tell us what they are willing to be for Halloween Okay and then if it if it comes up and this is probably gotta get like the you know eight spots all wheel yeah yeah well. That's the end of the pitches that we need to go on the wheel right away and be inflated spots because it's really running out of time right. I just want to know who's GonNa take the Moose Costume from. I feel like that's going to be okay so people then have a week to then say a okay I would I would wear this Cossio and then and then they have and then whoever wins they have to do it and then we have to see pictures yes so if we have enough ideas will put this off straight onto the wheel next week. If we get enough good ideas at least eight willing to do it with with different interesting ideas. I say we will put this on the wheel. Oh I guess we have to do it. Yeah sure sure until next week. People will write in and say what they are willing to do. Are you then making the bracket I mean it'll it'll make itself. I can't imagine one hundred people I imagine there'll be a finite number of people that's even really it doesn't need to be a bracket especially since there's a good chance of won't be divisible by eight or or whatever so you know it could be like we'll just have eleven pitches and will read them one by one and we'll pick the best will grade them like it's a hot. Take off or something and then we'll pick the best one one okay. I like. This is Sam especially bracket yeah. I'm not sure that a lot of people are going to do it. A lot of people might have their own costumes a a lot of people might not bother but if they are willing to play ball with them I love the podcast they could call an audible and change up their costume. Okay agree if you really cared about us. We had a hard year if people want to dress up as baby row in that's that's a pitch yeah Akiva suggesting that if if this is October fourth is when this episode was going to go up if visit good when we record our next episode I think that in honor of October this idea should have ten spots on the wheel. I wouldn't say act is eight OCTO well. What are we Roman No? I didn't know I didn't even know where you're going. I'm stupid find ten spots. If it works it gets ten spot so it has about a fifty fifty fifty chance of being picked next okay chance that come up in the next two weeks suix yeah oh great perfect. We're on the same page okay one more one more thing if somebody wants to make us a sims game right with with Rice and and and reach out to Jenny Autumn. She doesn't want to build the SIMS game for us. I shouldn't see nets I asked her about it recently. She didn't seem that excited yeah. If someone wants to spend the time building it a reach out to us and and we will work out logistics okay. I've never played the SIMS. I don't even know what happens. Yeah keep it. We want to read through our last fifteen or so episodes to see if there should be anything on the sequel mechanism if you in time we could do that. Let's go we could even do real real quick. Okay so over. I guess going back to when we lasted this but okay episode thirty six Robin Akiva Knee Baby. We're done with that right well. We said we could do a feel like if there's a because now where we're the out the baby naming game we're beginning again. Okay okay final four. Do we want to put that that was episode thirty seven. We'll put that on wheel now we don't need to do that okay number thirty the eight was the rise and fall of JT. I will be the rise and fall somebody else like MacAulay Culkin or something. I don't think we have a great pitch fine but I don't think it's episode number. Thirty nine is episode number. Fifty two that is eligible conspiracy pod to is conspiracy pod three should that be in the sequel mechanism are not yet soon okay. Is there some sort of like if it W- got into the sequel mechanism after ten episodes of the need to wait twenty to come back I I think we said we would put it back on in twenty episodes I think when it aired I mean we it's so popular but also think there could be too much of a good thing. I think it will just do Antonio's GONNA be back. PODCASTING ON MISTER ROBOT submarines might not have time to squeeze it in like in twenty twenty is like the golden area therefore it would have come back but not just yet okay. I would agree episode number forty was Robin and steal the declaration of independence. That was a crappy movie diaper. yeah the national treasure two okay that's possible that Robin Akiva needed number forty one was. MTV dating shows are trash. Yeah I mean we're we're GonNa do we have a lot of spiritual ritual sequels to that in the hopper for sure. TLC shows and then episode number forty two was Robert Costa late night talk show in Minneapolis. Let's go baby. Let's go right back like does it have to be Minneapolis. Can we go to some wet craigslist Carl on the phone yeah okay. This is what I think. When twenty twenty starts we gotta start talking about potential cities and where we're GONNA go and people people are gonNA start pitching us? I'm excited for that and just a little look ahead of what's potentially episode. forty-three was three's company season three episode seven recap. I think that was episode upset Sevens. You don't do episode. Forty four was millennials killed it. Yeah I think that probably will get a sequel. One day and forty five was a provocation robinhood. Go on the Oregon trail. Yes okay a lot of people have pitched like weird versions organ trail but I haven't seen one yet that really catches my eye spiritual on that I came up with it was like a rollercoaster tycoon but I don't know if there's a simulator for that and the very high a lot of people die on the roller coaster. If young don't coaster I just go off the edge and Oh my God. I didn't even know it's a very problematic didn't even know that okay all right so let's let's take a look at what is out there on the wheel currently okay uh-huh a season three episode seven climbing back up. There is now at three spots. It's on the link for this week through. I think three was laughing right now. Maybe these things aren't saving when I'm hitting safe okay so then we hey it's three. I don't know what because we did. After we did census so would have had zero then the animal would of that one Robin Akiva Yeah. I think it's three find three okay and he's trying to trying to bump it up. I have no idea I forget how it works. We have our coin flip. We have we're in the world is Carmen Sandiego crappy movie diaper that came up a this is not those that are but but yeah I I better wheel yeah better off the wheel for this week. You should the crappy movie diaper like Really GonNa Watch crap movie three weeks at a four. He's a via. Is We spin a wheel. We created this week lucky so let's not spin a wheel anymore. Just I'm letting you know if the crappy movie diaper comes up my veto finger my issue veto Abbas why you have a veto remember technically three videos house. We have one that we have. The podcast is sometimes we have to do a podcast about things. We don't WanNa podcast about yeah yeah. Sometimes we pack as with people. We don't want to you know I it's. That's why you're vetoes your does okay. We have our sequel mechanism note. That's gone okay. There's nothing in the sequel mechanism right hero spot zero zero spots for the sequel L. Mechanism and then we have a Mount Rushmore we have is that off now because isn't that now Mount Ram more. I think it's a totally different idea. Yeah you just calling it something similar idea for Mount Rushmore okay. I think that we could come up with a different name for Mount Rant more that we didn't like like you said Mount Rushmore was released favored idea shouldn't rushmore just squeeze a little and become ramp more. I don't know Sammy of any interested in Mount Rushmore more where a given I take things and make the Mount Rushmore of different things. I think they could be fine for me. I feel like I honestly more lean mount rushmore than rent more. Oh that's an incorrect. We'll keep you like that more than the ranch. I'm rushmore over rant more. Okay maybe to get your rent is other than you want to name the ranting episode ramp more. I don't know why they're too similar. I know they are. I just thought you'd like I thought it was a favorite because you had said before that Mount Rushmore doesn't excite you. I mean it could be good or I like I said. I don't think it'll be bad sizzle there. It's no hype could be refund no but I think it'll be I think yeah maybe low expectations of will jump over those hurdles yeah okay all right and then we have roast beef is not on the wheel right now. No that should be gone yeah. Are we have millennial judge still on the wheel Akiva yeah a lot of people have been saying the started as a sort of a legal advice type of thing but now than ever legal advice. I thought I thought I was that people just were talking about like their gripes with another the person okay fine. I agree so it shouldn't be. I don't think we should call US judge anymore. I think that's a confusing name because people should be sending in if we ever do this should be sending in more of relationship questions. My roommate is mean to me my my my teacher is I'm GonNa fight with my parents. So what if what if people are. What if we call this your problems problems are trash? This episode is not as catchy but sure yeah. I think you're because we have so many trash episodes. I think I think it's it's in the trash. What's what's the trilogy a Quadrille Gee? I don't know quite south heck six shoehorned in to get it in there but we do okay all right better attend is off. The wheel. Hut Takeoff is on the wheel people's choice. We're GONNA vote on three ideas ideas on this weekend. Rob Akiva is off the wheel then we have our third wheel that Third Tournament Cameo Casts game night and TLC shows are trash missing anything. No you got everything okay all right so the fact that the fact that ah we we was on there makes me think that maybe it should been four spots. I don't know if I didn't get my wheel save from last week. Okay all right there. You go all right AKIVA. Let me controversy. I forget now. My head is hurting because when it comes up and then it gets zero the next week and I think the fourth episodes but isn't zero one two three three. It's fine. I'll just leave it at three three works all right. Are we ready. Savigny pick for what you would like to see. Come up I. It's Carmen Sandiego stolen. They're all right here. Here we go. Let's see what will be episode number. Fifty three on the wheel did I mention Cameo cast is still on there yet yeah. I'm a little nervous cameo cast because I started looking at like how much cameos cost. I don't know how much you WANNA scrap it so I thought that but I didn't want but it's been your idea and every time coming mentioned you're like Oh. You're keeping your night into this and I do good idea but I think it's a good idea for like like the Bill Simmons podcast you know the I just don't. I don't know how it's GonNa work. All the cameras are expensive. Do you WanNa do you WANNA put Cameo cast in the wheel waiting room big brother twenty one time yourself down and they're inflating the price. It's I looked. I looked when we were when we were thinking about what to do. Last week. I did look at the prices quickly. Yeah I was like anyone I wanted to do was over our budget. yeah all right. Let's let's put it in the wheel waiting room for now. I love the idea of the cameo cast but I think we need to figure out a way to be able to even really the budget. That was like sixty dollars. That's either going to be one video. That's a minute or three videos that are at or we won rich listener to sponsor that episode and just go buck wild right right so maybe we should maybe the CAMEO CASS should be we should like pool our money together and and figure who we want to get a cameo from okay I will. What do you think about it? Let's hear the listeners thing. Maybe we'll get a rich listener wants. Let's leave it on there and see what happens. Okay all right here. We go. Let's let's spin the wheel opposite him fifty three in that. What's IT GONNA BE DOC? Rewatch the movie. We just watched your problems are trash. AKIVA wow all right. I think that's that's exciting. We just we just rebranded it and now boom here. It is now can we can we get Allie last year I think we I think we get Allie Lascher. Sally's Flasher so if you if you have any problems that are trash if you have yeah yeah hey ally there to you know to pieces of big news one. The podcast has been rebranded. Yeah hopefully don't get mad at us into hey it. Just it just came up on the wheel. Yes I just message sure. She is fine with it. She's happy she's Ok up for next week. Yes over Rene at robins website Dot Com. If you have any sort of problems we already have almost enough but we probably need two or three more any issues you want alley and me and rob to solve you know personal issues. You want to know who's at fault for something. We're here where you're men on the side. Were what's that guy on Fox five ten o'clock you like like does it shame shame on you like the guy you'd call them up and is like how many how me help me Rhonda Help Me Howard Okay but now this is very important listeners. Send in your Sunday shoes. Send it your issues for Allie Lascher Alison last year ya'll exposure to educate Judy Judy Judy. I don't know it's like Theresa. Jude is and what are you seeing right now. I have no idea listen what I'm saying is. Are you really got got an email address yet. You at the address need a podcast. That ROB is website dot com or dot COM were signed Cypher Kasereka SIR RECAP DOT COM or my email my name g mail so I yeah we just need more cases. We have a lot of cases we need a few more. 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He thinks he doesn't have a great sense of when people care about about things always and forever he still thinks eighteen eighty six national league cy young is interesting if Chester's rules such thing to him. I didn't even know when he when he said what the Hank Aaron Award. Is that a real award or that's a war zone dairy award no. It's really already given a we call it the chest these or something. What do you think of that chester forgetting my birthday? What's your take on that well? I felt a little self conscious because I felt like I had said mentioned your birthday on a podcast. I guess for you but I do not do anything on the day of your birth defects okay but I feel like you probably acknowledged my birthday like on podcast which was like sort of my birthday week podcast adcock was we were episodes from that weak from the past six years but you knew it was my birthday. At least I didn't even care enough well. He's social social media blackout. He's black which I didn't care on my birthday came it went. I had a great day. I didn't say oh I'm so depressed. Gesture didn't mention it. I didn't care I never would have known and then on Sunday three days after my birthday. He's like Happy Birthday. was like well now. He doesn't even know when my birthday is yeah because now I realize oh he never said anything and he's like a clown in the rumble. Yeah exactly Nah maybe better late than never doesn't really work in this instance several. We were like too good of friends to not even do birthday acknowledgment but I guess we I guess I was wrong. Okay on social media. Maybe it would be something that he would've done all right. Let's talk about the reviews go to ROB's website. com slash Rene up or what else could you go due to I don't Know Yeah Rene Rob a Seinfeld. The Poacher RECAPS DOT COM. This is vital signs for itunes. I don't know that was apple podcasts. Yes I have no idea where where people could go in search on account. 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It's a fun premise that allows for a lot of creative ideas and keep things from getting stale listeners can submit their own ideas for the wheel although the focus is primarily geared towards getting friends of the show into the by the same person ever. Do you ever met shut up. Tim like this become too inside baseball. I Ah I like I've never met most of these people. I don't know genuine real like come. Come on yes or not these. Are we one hundred seinfeld episodes without most of our usuals. They're just the same people who want to be involved. Things Zion could idea I guarantee you'll be the last restaurants are on our on me. Sam that SAM is here and Taryn was here so sordid. I said hey jump on jump in the mail bags. Jump in and jump in over here the the rest of the rest of it's on Akiva Yeah I usually book the guests and stuff. You're busy man. Listen to everyone you you could take over all all production. I'd be very happy I have too many listen. You have like thirty jobs zero so okay and then this is one from somebody named Spider Mite US This is the number one podcast. I've been working my way through the Seinfeld podcast and I finally caught up on the Rene podcasts. I could listen to Robin Wheels Banter all day. Long and mostly have have been for several months as someone that also hates going outside and has a wife that doesn't like them. I have to say I feel like these to directly. Speak to me plus as a child raise on Seinfeld I am a lover of useless info and pointless banter. If you love these types of things and you are not a self loathing nerd this is the only podcast had cast it more for you know not bad. You don't want to do self-loathing there right. It's what I've been called before cool now. I didn't want this question of course Akiva. You're very cool. Oh very cool. All right. Lateran gives me somewhere right yeah. It gets you right back on the I guess next. I can't wait bring him back. Okay all right AKIVA. 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HOW "OH BABY" CAME TO BE (NZ BabyShow Interview)

Kathy Fray's MotherWise Podcasts

08:58 min | 1 year ago

HOW "OH BABY" CAME TO BE (NZ BabyShow Interview)

"The baby shower is Bank for twenty nine happening. The seventeenth to the nineteenth of August at the show grounds and Auckland will as well. As a raft of baby gear. There are a large number of speaker and seminars touching on various topics from sleek training to nutrition. Now joining us on the Shah's one of the speakers, Kathy fray, she is the author of OB booth babies and motherhood uncensored, Kathy. Welcome to the shine at my Hillary owner to be talking with you today some Catholics loose start at the beginning. Not everyone as a as a baby expert from the get-go. But clearly you found yourself on the path, you know, being being someone that has authored on parenting. It speaks on parenting, and then there's a whole journey that will touch on later. But how did that begin? What will it became really becoming among myself? And I entered a got to the point where I hate three. Under five, and I realized that actually incredibly tough, and I mean rewarding and wonderful and all things as well. And I'd start wearing white Ota give that and had free baby seats across the bake say, you know, and remember going in and getting a warrant done and asking an intelligent questionably had filed. And the guy goes Honey, just talk to your husband there. But oh man or used to be this corporate businesswoman who you had a brain. And I guess I found myself quite annoyed at the pious into effect motherhood rising books that were out there. And I just started to write stuff in the evening to just can't get it off my chest to be on us. But it was like a capacity, and and and then after a while I realized that created a book that wasn't hell I impeded it to stop. With and I threw it in front of New Zealand's talk literary agent at the time you see to me. Oh, I get a thousand unsolicited manuscripts Aguirre. And I might choose a dozen of them in a two hours later. He raped me back and said I wanted to bring pasting in go published and it was like a dozen easy. And it's been easy Lund's number one Spivey, motherhood salad Iverson. So it buying the mice been credible -tuni- really of adore and things that I didn't always even going to open. Interesting. Clearly, something reason nights of people about your book. What what do you think it is? Because there are many parenting books out there. I just think that I'm incredibly owners rounded in middle path. Sorry, I my general philosophy within the Boca's. I don't really care how you three things. This is just. Different ways that you can three things in. This is my opinion on sometimes I'll give a really opinion and be upfront about it or really strong opinion on you don't have to agree with me. Do what you want? But this is my thoughts, but it is middle pasta. Because I think that most of the parenting books out they campaign to be quite a strong, gene in a particular direction in. I just wanted to write something that had no, gene. So I mean, did you write this book many years ago? Right. And you've done you've done so many things since including including running more books, you became a midwife. And we were talking about that all FIA just how intense it is. But now, and I find this fascination, you're an international maturity consultant, tell us what this is even. Yeah. So I did a all my soupy kind of thing. Twenty four seven on colas and the state, which of course, was incredibly amazing and rewarding and then and phenomenal when and so so in the trenches, and I co hundreds and hundreds of babies and my normal. I mean, and I had a Northolt Clinton McGrath that really statistically it should have been hitting about thirty five or forty percent. So he's right in my life is hit a fifteen pristine Caesar rate. So you know, it was an amazing incredible time, but it's still and been nominally texting. And it's a very hard life that you love and your enormous amounts of personal sacrifices of moments of your family's time. And the that you start getting ahead. So I might the decision of what it guarded that. I needed to wind down my case. I. Sort of done earned my stripes. So. And I ended up developing into an international consulting like maternity coach. I if you could call it because the system that we haven't used England is fantastic will constipated is the talk maternity healthcare system on the planet. We're the only country but Phil's over the will happen when I say shit with climate to be maternity care, an almond wives own the wheel stages explaining to countries all over the place that we do have continuity of case system, but most women in the woods, don't get anything close to that. And most of my clients from North America and distributor because even over the the maternity hockey system is incredibly substantive in comparison to the one on one kid that we get a New Zealand in regard is something we're entitled to though, we're very very lucky museum for what we get. But with this amazing. Invention cold, you know, face timing, and Skype and zoom and intimate. And all of that. I am able to go by women, you know, face to face, but over the internet to take him through Thich and as present say and getting them prepared for the labor and booth. And and helping them to resign is, you know, pice Neidl this wait, some months, it's a it's a very cold thing that is a co thing. And I one of the things I wanted to touch on was here in New Zealand. We have this thing cooled after Kia. So once you've had that baby people will come and visit you which is not like an other parts, including stri Leah. Yeah. Yeah. Even you know, even Brisbane if you have a baby you go home, and they say, and if you want you can take you baby to a baby wasting time. But there is no peace and visiting to give. You help and help you let your baby and start coast United. Bree. Speeding right. Some though the price medal depreciates a high the baby fighting took thrive writes higher. Yes. So we have very very lucky feeling in in. We should be incredibly grateful as women. You know, we have this system. We have somebody that coming visits. They harm, you know, usually, typically fix us even the right time, and I voted five weeks, and it amazing now you are going to be at the baby shy. And and speaking on a wide range of topics as well. Yeah. Well, it's always a tricky to weak out. What topics to talk about because he's you know, these few different ones that I could stately one of my absolute or so we always every 'cause I didn't I how many I've been to. So but anyway, star my one that I always did we year is a talk cooled organic booth, which is understanding the state quits of nature, life and normal breath. And it's just I I kinda rise enough about it, obviously, I'm incredibly biased because it's my dog. But no, I'm trying to cram and a dozen use of knowledge and taking hundreds of Iraqis and about forty five to fifty minutes, usually take the mayor and a half they ever told that I'm doing which is early at on the Sunday, and that it's my total attain from in toilet trading. Toke brilliant. Hi, thank you so much for your time today, Kathy. I really appreciate it. People can find out more details about what you do. Casey, fry don't come. And I can visit you at the baby show. All right. Thank you so much you album.

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Despite The Losses, So Much Gained | With Marsha Stephanie Blake

Modern Love

24:15 min | 1 year ago

Despite The Losses, So Much Gained | With Marsha Stephanie Blake

"Modern love the podcast supported by if you're looking for another podcast to check out tries circle round whether you're four or ninety four we all love story and you'll hear folktales from around the world on circle round w._b._z. Storytelling podcast for the young and young at heart subscribe. I were ever you've got your podcasts produced by the island at w._v._u. Are boston from the new york times and w._b._u. Are boston this. This is modern law stories of love loss and redemption. I'm your host marty <music> when people first come into our lives. It's impossible to know how important they'll become. Leah keith writes about a man who came to matter a great deal to her in her essay is titled despite the losses so much gained. It's read by marsha stephanie blake who's just been nominated for an emmy award for her performance in the netflix drama when they see us <music> <music> dude was a doctor who wanted to leave medicine. We met almost twenty years ago when he applied to writing fellowship program at the movie studio where i was an executive when i called him with the good news he jumped up and down and screamed into the phone then he told oh me he didn't hear anything after the word accepted to me. He said you decide like an angel. No one had ever called me an angel before months later dude moved to los angeles and the beginning of i professional relationship i will give him notes on his screenplays. Our personal relationship happened later. I it was a twenty six year old black woman from georgia and he was a new york italian thirteen years older. I don't remember when win or why he became dude but after the naming he anointed me lily short for little dude from then on we were those people to each other dude loved biking hiking and anything i cooked. I loved pilates arctic martinis and anything he wrote we sang we danced. We watch movies and debated their merits. The red to each other before falling asleep. Our relationship was not an obvious one. Neither of us liked the obvious. Dude smells like freshly folded laundry baked chicken red wine and loaves of bread as they arose and the oven. He said my smile lit up a room. Waiting for success was not easy for dude achieving a number one ranking ranking in his ivy league graduating class had been effortless compared with selling a screenplay. I tried to explain that in hollywood success equal talent plus us luck but he didn't understand and i couldn't understand why he didn't understand. We argue it. It felt like the beginning of the end for us. Dude broke up with me before leaving for the airport to bury his father. The phone call was as sudden to me as his ailing father's death had been to him. I told myself i had pushed him too too hard. I told myself i wasn't this or that enough. I told myself you just didn't love me as much as i loved him. Eventually time brought on the occasional check in phone call. I learned that to make ends meet due to an administrative assistant job at a hollywood studio. It's better than staring into a microscope for hours. He said hollywood for him at lost its luster. He was no longer writing but he also so had no interest in returning to medicine. I knew that i as his marginally successful producer former girlfriend had become a reminder of the only defeat he ever known. I faint excitement about his new job. I didn't want to know much about his dating life and he didn't seem curious about my calls became less frequent and dinners happened only at birthdays but when we were together we laughed left ate drank and sang as we always did then we return to our separate lives. Everything changed two years ago. When my hair began to ring. I was awaiting a green light on an animated film <music>. The ringing was loud and constant. I call dude after hearing tessie scan and m._r._i. My life life turned into someone. Else's moving did said he would come with me to get the results. I didn't stop him <music>. I was found to have a two point five centimeter acoustic neuroma a benign tumor of the nerve connecting the ear into the brain occurs about two of every one hundred thousand people unbeknownst to me. I'd already experienced fifty percent hearing loss in my right ear and my facial nerve had been engulfed by tumor <music> removing it would be difficult half of my face could become paralyzed realized this was highly specialized surgery and my doctor said i was blessed because the best surgeon was only fifteen minutes away. He was the michael jordan of neurology. I could feel dude trying to contain his excitement about meeting his erronous of the ear and brain. I gave him permission to geek out. I figured someone. I'm one should be happy about something after the appointment with m._j. Dude and i walked silently once. He arrived at my car dr. I broke down. Dude helped me <hes>. I was scheduled for trans labyrinthine and thin craniotomy the most conservative approach. I would be deaf in one ear but if m._j. Was as good as everyone said. I would still have the smile l. Dude at once loved. The movie i was producing was going into storyboards during that time dude and i talked on the phone every night until i fall asleep in my doubting moments when i asked if we were doing the right thing dude would say we have the best surgeon. We chose the right surgery. We we will be fine. I liked that. He used the word we in my darkest moments when i asked if he was still love me if i lost half if my face he said hell no deformed. People make me nervous so lilly's face gets busted dude out we laughed and then the man whose constant replied to my i love you. Dude had always been said. I will always he's love you. No matter what happens here is your medical. Directive said the hush toned woman on the other side of the table dude had joined me at eight thirty a._m. At the hospital where i signed enough paperwork to buy a house my mother and sister had flown in waited outside the door while dudin. I handle the grimmest business dude allow me to read the medical directive. He turned it over to the signing page in place his hand over the words sign. He said i did as told but not before i turned to him and said don't don't pull the plug too soon. I'd like to become a lifetime movie. He smiled and nodded. That was always said about the fact that i could die that day. My mother called dude. Her son and my sister referred to him as her brother from another mother. We had become an unconventional unconventional family who ordered a pizza. Were the first words i heard from. Duda has entered my hospital room the next day carrying in my dinner over his head. I smiled broadly. He small back even broader. I knew that he smiled because i could smile. The next days were filled with wobbly steps tightly held hands and many firsts after i got home the tonight continued our pre op ritual with almost nightly phone calls thirteen months after my diagnosis on an ordinary tuesday in november we talked for hours he spoke of his love of james brown and his longing for forbidden foods like bacon and foie gras he he made me as syria on my new iphone to pornographic things to him. We laughed until i fell asleep. The next day dudes dudes worried assistant. He was running. The department now called to say he hadn't shown up for work when i arrived at his apartment. The paramedics were leaving leaving. Dude had died. He not been ill. He had not had an accident. His heart had just done its work. I held onto a railing and paramedic sat with me until my world stopped spinning thinning. I knew once i entered the apartment life would be forever divided before dude and after dude would preface everything the police arrived. There were interviews phone calls in three hour. Wait the coroner during it. All i stood behind the kitchen counter staring at the back of dudes always pristine lee blow dried head soon i would have to call his friends and family and divide their lives to now dude lives and photographs one voicemail one piece of video one a pair of hiking boots his favorite jacket a few worn sweat shirts his watch his cat his screenplays his copper pots and pans his surgical instruments that he used to fry chicken and the recesses of my memory i will never again hear <unk> explained that miller genuine draft sixty four only has sixty four calories as justification for white takeda drink a six pack in one sitting. I will never ever hear explain every stage of the tour de france in a way that makes me wish i could ride a bike. I will never know that he is hanging onto my every word when i tell tell him some ridiculous story about my day and i will never again hear him laugh at that story when my rare tumor was found and i thought it was the worst thing that could ever happen to me now. I know i was the luckiest woman in the world for thirteen thirteen lucky months i got to stare into the abyss and feel safe jumping into it because a man who loved loved me promised to hold my head all the way down. If i had known that i would be the one who had to let go. Would i have done anything differently <music> <music> <music>. That's marsha stephanie blake. Reading lieque's essay despite the losses losses so much gained. We'll hear more from leah after the break <music> <music> he they're. They're grown up person. I'm rebecca sheer host of circle round w._b._r._c. new storytelling podcast for kids and the grownups they love we take folktales from around the world and turn talk radio plays performed by actors. You know and love like jason alexander into jon cryer whether you're four or ninety four subscribe to circle around on apple podcasts stitcher or wherever you get your podcasts and visit us at w._b._z. Dot org slash circle round leah. Yeah keith had her surgery in january of two thousand eleven do died in november of that year. Leah went into grief counseling and our last piece of homework was is to write a good bye letter to dude. I took it really seriously because i had a feeling that it was going to be the thing that sort of pulled me out of the pain and sore <music> as i read the essay to the grief counselor i guess there was a point at which she says that my expression change and she said what was that and i said i think i just wrote a modern love essay and i said i think there's some value in this <hes> for other people and that i should put it out into the world but i don't don't think i'm able to do that now. So i made a date for myself. One year put it on my calendar and i gave myself a year to heal deal and on the designated date i actually sat down and started to write <music> the thing that emerged from all the little anecdotes and quirks about him in funny little tidbits was that i was grateful and that gratitude in times of pain became a resounding message that i really want it to say to other people who were having a horrible year like i did these days. Leah's health is good and when she looks back on the year she writes about one by the time she's most grateful for and that she remembers often is the half hour before she was taken into surgery. Dude came with her to the prep room <music> as we sat there literally remember shaking and it wasn't because the room was cold it was adrenaline and he held my hand and he said stop shakin and and he made me laugh and the next thing i knew he was singing to me and he was making up some stupid song and fellow came over to talk to me about shaving in my head and we had a whole hilarious exchange with him about how much hair to shave at it was just silly. He took me completely clearly out of my fear and my pain and just made the moment really resonate for me. <hes> as something that was truly i would not have made it through that that thirty minutes when she was standing in dude's apartment after his death leah thought about those thirty minutes again i was there with with the police and people being interviewed and people coming and going and waiting for the coroner and all these sort of horrible grim things but i just kept thinking talking about that moment and how he was so present but those thirty minutes and i was the most important thing to him in that moment that i had to do that for him so it it actually gave me the strength to do all the practical awful things that i had to do in that time because i was like well you kind of did it for me and i guess you know it's on me this time to do this for you. Leah says that after dudes death the grief counseling helped but the first few years were very difficult and since then she's experienced more loss unfortunately since he passed i lost my father. <hes> i lost my dog of fifteen years that he was good friends with <hes> and i lost another other really really close friend and all of those things were horrible. What i can also tell you is that in experiencing the other losses you know grief doesn't come compartmentalized that horrible pit of the stomach feeling that you get when someone you love is gone and particularly wrigley suddenly just shows up so it's compounded by every person you've lost my father and my dog and my friend that passed we're all people that he the adored so i felt like he was in the grief with me and consoling me and protecting me and and i knew i would get through one of the ways that lee remembers dude is by keeping his possessions around her. I'm wearing his watch today because i thought he'd like to be in the room and give me a little guidance as i talked to you. <hes> i keep a stuff around a lot. You know it's it's it helps. It makes me feel all protected. It makes me feel like he's around. <hes> he added a little bit of an obsession with copper pots pans and <hes> i cook in them every day. You know i find that on certain days when i have meetings our our events or things that i need just a little bit of fortifying four and might might be a little nervous. I might wear wear as watch that day or i might assured of my friends laugh because whenever i'm i'm looking for parking i call him like okay hooked me up and sure enough there. It is <music> what i really want people to take away from my story is when you're in those those moments where you're kinda getting beaten down to take a moment in when you're in the midst of it for his awful as it is and try to find something to be grateful for. It's oftentimes really really really hard to find and you can't necessarily find it right when you're in it but if at some point you can i really think that clinging to that thing is what allows you to step out of the dark that athlete keith. She's a screenwriter producer novelist and essayist she lives in los angeles more from dan jones and marsha stephanie blake after after the break what happens when you listen into more than one hundred and forty thousand different communities made up three hundred thirty million users users you hear a lot of stories. I'm amorous iverson. I'm ben brock johnson and we are from endless thread. The show featuring stories found in the best ecosystem of online communities. Please call the brennan's every week. We tell a different story from mattress. Industry conspiracy theories to jellyfish stings that bring victims sense of doom in even a serial killer that may have saved jazz music subscribe to endless thread wherever you get your podcasts daniel jones editor of the modern love column for the new york times. James has read thousands of essays but he says that even he was surprised by the turn that leaves essay took. You know you think you're headed down one road with health problems for leah and then suddenly dude whose name i love dies within one sentence. It's totally unexpected way and the story becomes about something else. It was just a story that was full of unlikely unlikeliness you know the unlike likeness of them together and how they become each other's most important person in a way and <hes> and and how <hes> you never really know who's going to be the cared for and the caregiver and what losses will happen win but it was just well ridden with surprising sense of humour and <hes> this this pairing that just skated along the surface a lot of time in terms of how they spoke and how they're how bantered <hes> but had so much depth with two and so much in the end commitment to each other but i just really found that sort of a moving and surprising story and here's marsha stephanie blake i love that it was filled with humor and friendship chip and i could relate on so many levels with the <hes> loss in terms of the career and also in terms of the relationship it made me laugh and make me right. Thanks again to marsha stephanie for reading this week's essay say she's just been nominated for an emmy for her performance in when they see us next week miriam shore anita and i met five years ago as roommates at a hospital just outside of new york city according to the brochure in our patient and take folders the hospital scene at grounds boasted rolling lawns suburban meadows forests and gazebo but why would we care about the landscaping. The brochure reminded me of a commercial. I had seen for hulu who long watching hulu didn't need an advertisement for the hospital. We were locked inside modern. Love is a production of the new york times and w._b. You are boston's n._p._r. Station it's produced directed and edited by caitlyn o'keefe original scoring and sound design by matt reed iras. Adler is our executive producer. Our intern is the wonderful shami loco who is going back to campus next week so shammy. We're going to miss you and you're terrific work. Daniel jones is the editor of the modern love column for the new york times and adviser to the show especial. Thanks to julia simon on your strumming and and mealy at the new york times. The idea for the modern love podcast was conceived by lisa tobin additional music courtesy of a._p._m. And if you love the podcast go ahead give us a rating or review us on apple podcasts and even better telephone to subscribe ign chakrabarti. See you next week.

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Wednesday 3/4/20 - Rockefeller Conspiracy

Chicago Dog Walk

17:10 min | 8 months ago

Wednesday 3/4/20 - Rockefeller Conspiracy

"All right bye-bye. Today's Wednesday march fourth. Welcome to the dog walk presented by Barstool sports chiefs back for part to a sense in a sense. But it's it's one of those things where it's like. We want to do what they do about. John Rockefeller but you can't do what they do. Without talking about. Some of the conspiracies tied to them Josh. So it's like you can't fit it all into one episode and we were saying before we started. We could probably do three weeks on just all the shit connected to the Rockefeller family allegedly. Yes there's a lot of stuff in a perfect world. Tin Foil goes on Tuesday. And you know this kind of what did he do would go on Wednesday. But you gotta get the background set the stage. Yeah before we get into it though I wanNA talk about some Miller time moments Is there any time? You gotta remember around this time of year where you had nice times with friends or family. Surrounded by similar light in Patrick's day is around the corner. You know and I was just talking with Dave the you know. The hawks played the ducks last night. And it just reminded me back in. Twenty fifteen or early early Barzel Chicago days or thrown watch parties that nobody would go to. We had like a special one hawks docks when the Western Conference finals went to double overtime. Maybe triple overtime hawks. One you know we're drinking Miller lights. Were spraying them around and You know celebration it. It was just like one of those things. That's like that can and like that beer in that moment is into my brain. You're sitting in the basement bar with white SOx Dave White SOx Dave Carl was there. We had like it was like I think it was like an impromptu unlike. Hey look we're all watching the game. The other like come out weren't trying to do anything other than have a good time. And we're in the basement of the fifty fifty like not far from here and wicker park and it was just like I said like maybe ten words the whole night because it was one of those games or you're just clench the whole time like tight tight. Game and hawks ended up winning. Marcus Krueger Awesome night millerwise everywhere. A bunch of people are just living in the moment. They're living in the moment social media culture so it was the era of social media. But because we're in the basement. Nobody had any reception perfect. Yeah it was. It was nothing like you. There's no tweets. There's no videos of that night. It's just like the people who were there. Remember and it was awesome assets you the people and the Miller lite. That's awesome so whether it's a great tasty ninety six Keller Miller life. French should always come before followers. Here's the original Iberia's to the original social media it's Miller time celebrate responsibly. Miller brewing company Milwaukee Wisconsin. Ninety six calories in three point two carbs per twelve ounces. So back to the tin foil here Obviously talking about how much money Rockefeller had yesterday. When money and conspiracies Kinda go hand in hand right Yeah oftentimes. If they're they're powerful people in power family like they're GONNA be they're gonna be running in circles were decisions are made and that would lead people to automatically start pointing fingers and be suspicious. Like what are these rich and powerful people doing? What are they planning? What are they plotting? And the rockefellers are certainly in that category and it's like we said they had unbelievable wealth and they still do Officially I think they're worth like five billion dollars or something across like all the you know the the different family members but you know if you look at like the family tree so we started with John D. Rockefeller and his brother right. That's what we do. We really talked about him yesterday. Well they had Nelson Rockefeller who was a grandson. He was vice. President United States. Okay so he was under Gerald Ford so in the seventies then you had you know John. D Rockefeller Jr. He's the one who is like Building Rockefeller Center. He gave the money you know started the UN building effectively gave him plots of land. Like he's you know very well connected guy you got winthrop Rockefeller. He was the governor of Arkansas. You have Jay Rockefeller who was the senator from West Virginia? Then you got this guy. David Rockefeller so he was the youngest grandson of John. D. Rockefeller the old man and he was the president of Chase Manhattan Bank. He was like good boys with Henry Kissinger you remember that you know that name from Your History Book Common Knowledge. Maybe and he also you know he started things called like the Trilateral Commission. And he's just kind of like a shadowy figure. There's books the most evil person who ever lived. David Rockefeller and there is like a quote about him and it was like. This guy is unbelievably powerful and wealthy. Like why doesn't he run for president and they're like he so powerful that being the president would be at the motion? Okay so like he doesn't have to answer to anybody could push through whatever he wants a he just controls like A. He has everything at his fingertips under his web. And all times pretty crazy so now. They're kind of spreading into politics. Brian banking sectors like. There's they're really getting into every kind of Kravis since there has been so the the banking one is you know. Like I said they're official. Total is between like five billion dollars. So it's like. How does a family that was worth you know? Four hundred billion or whatever it was is down to five billion and it's like how does that happen will? The answer is because it's probably not accurate. Okay so they have all kinds of ways of like hiding their money and doing different things. And if you believe this particular theory that the rockefellers and J. P. Morgan the Morgan family. Which I'm sure you've heard of that bank and the Rothschild Family Along with like maybe four or five others created the Federal Reserve which is the Central Bank of the United States. And I mean I I feel like we might have to kind of explain how a central bank works Because that's not common knowledge. It'd be gray so basically a central bank and it's called the Federal Reserve Right. It's not like it's like a sneaky name. It doesn't belong to the government on a federal entity so it's like federal express like I don't know why they call it that but it's not a government owned or regulated body. It's a private institution and they lend the government money at an interest rate so the government would then like they control all the all the money creation so all the US mints and all that every they produce all the money and then they don't just give it away to the government they lend it so. The government is then in in that intern in charge of paying them back but the only thing they can pay them back with is the money that they print. So it's like this so you have to create more money to pay back the debt on the money that you originally have and it's just like this endless cycle of inflation and more and more money going back to the people allegedly who owned the private bay interesting so it it's like a mind. Fuck it's just. It's like a closed loop where like the only. The people who keep making money are the ones who own it to begin with and this has been a problem controversy central banks going all the way back to the start of this country so that is why there's you know what do you think. The Revolutionary War happened. What's your common knowledge ideologies? The revolution happened because it was. We wanted our freedom. Wanted our freedom Boston tea party. They had the stamp act. No represent What is it representation or taxation without representation? It's actually there's like theories that's not really what it was and that's just been reported through history but there's a quote from Ben Franklin okay. One of the founding fathers who said the prime cause of the Revolution was Central Bank of England so the colonies had started printing their own money that they're trading for goods and services like hey like we'll give you this Massachusetts dollar for this Massachusetts Barrel of beer and English No fuck that. Like you're not allowed to have your own currency if you're calling you have to borrow this money from the Central Bank of England and that created like this you know this impetus to start this war. Because that's like we're just constantly in debt like we're basically slaves because we can never earn enough to pay it back so that is really kind of what started like the revolutionary war with the idea of central bank. Is that confirmed? That's a real quotes from from Ben. Franklin okay so he called. He called his Central Bank of England. The PRI- The the the prime cause of the revolution so there were all these other things. Taxation Without Representation Stamp. Act All these different. You know taxes that people were pissed off about but according to Ben Franklin. This was the prime cause find over money. Man Fighting over money and independence so then there had been other like times throughout history Alexander Hamilton. You've seen the play you heard of the play. Yeah he was a big Federal Federal Central Bank Guy and Thomas Jefferson though is like they were rivals about this was like no like we cannot have banking control bankers control our money like this needs to be separate and Thomas. Jefferson said bankers are way more dangerous to a nation than a standing army. So it's like we would rather fight a war then get into bed with bankers. According to Thomas Jefferson so this is like this has been like an idea since the very beginning of our country and bankers always want to be in charge of the money. The con- the country's money because that's where all the power is so they like the kind of United States kind of gone back and forth on central banks forever but then it would just get thrown out or not passed and then as time went on the AP Morgan's The Rockefeller's the rothschilds. These people finally had like enough power and influence that they got it done so that they they created J. P. Morgan through newspapers and just whispers and some of his own like we're trading practices in the stock market created. This this is nineteen thousand. Seven created this allusion that banks. In New York City were insolvent. So there's a run on the bank so like you've seen like the Great Depression like those things where it's like everybody's like I gotta get my money out of my money out. The bank doesn't have it like it's a fucking emergency and that's spread all throughout the country and there's like a mini Depression in Nineteen O. Seven one thousand nine hundred eight and that was just basically like a false flag. Type thing. Allegedly by J. P. Morgan is on these people. Were trying to push through this Federal Reserve. They're fully around. I guess yeah because they have enough money and influence to kind of like make the markets go up and down and like they can lose some money for the greater for their own greater good because they have like infinite supply. Jp Morgan owned like all the electricity in the United States. There's was David Rockefeller Yourself. This is this that was specifically. Yeah David Rockefeller was the grandson but like the Rockefeller family. So I think this was a junior at this point And then we'll get into this other guy. Okay so now you have. Now is one thousand nine eight. And they're like hey like maybe we should do like a feasibility study about whether or not Federal Reserve Having like a central bank as a good idea guy so who is leading that. A guy named Nelson Albrecht He. He came up with this commission to study to see like. Hey what a central bank be. A good idea. Republican senator at the time. Guess who is married to Rockefeller one of the Rockefeller Abigail Rockefeller okay. So then what do you know he comes back? I'm like hey yeah fuck Ya. Central banks the only way to provide stability for the markets. GotTa have it. That's all we can do central bank central bank. So then you know the they're having a hard time getting it passed though so as their draft. This legislation nineteen ten. They drafted it. The bankers themselves drafted legislation allegedly This place that was owned by the rockefellers called Jekyll island which is off Georgia. So they have like a secret meeting And they had like ten of these people from these various influential families kind of draft their own legislation handed back to Audrey. But still is like you know people like this is kind of Fox like. We don't really want this. This is dangerous and they said. Hey we gotta get a president who will play ball with. Us Woodrow Wilson. So they pumped him up. He gets elected in nineteen thirteen. The Federal Reserve Act gets past two days before Christmas and signed into law while most Congress was away and because they were just like. Hey like we'll just pass this. Nobody's looking and we've had a federal reserve ever since so do you think it's like the the the daughter of the Rockefeller think they just have like a huge rich family meeting? They're like hey this is. Your this is your. This is what you do for the family. This is your job. I always wondered that because like they said that that David Rockefeller who's like he was the most powerful man in the world. And he's in charge of like all these you know supposed. Secret societies it. How does that? How far does that extend like? Hey like you're marrying this guy. All DRIK is that you know so I don't know like so. This guy died at like one hundred one years old died not too long like two thousand seventeen or something like that. Guy Dave at the grand the grants and so he wasn't involved in this process but he became like the figure head of the family. And like you know was again ran. Met Chase Manhattan. Bank richest person at one of the richest people in the world re oldest ever billionaire the dialing one hundred one years old and I don't know like how far like is now. The Rockefeller family is like extensive. Right they got they got a ton of people so maybe it's just like a select few from every generation. They keep it going but it's yeah they probably do have like secretly screenings and like all right which grandsons is. Is it going to be a fuck up? Let's bring him into the fold so interesting so they get him to flip through marriage and that. The pump up Woodrow Wilson. Because they know the capacity through with them yet so it gets passed in the where Wilson even in Nineteen nineteen. He has a quote recycle. Man I fucked up he goes. I have unwittingly ruined by country. A great industrial nation is now controlled by a system of credit. We're no longer a government conviction and majority vote government by a small group of dominant met. So he said that in one thousand nine hundred World War. One had just ended. He was about to leave office. He lost his marbles a little bit. I think at that point to where being totally honest but it was like he was like man. I fucked up. I should like Shinhan dot should have done that and then the idea was to create you know financial stability. That's what they sold the public like. We're not gonNA have like all these crisis you know anymore would run run on banks that didn't happen at all. We still have that you know we still had two thousand eight Major Crisis Great Depression nineteen twenty nine. Like it's it's just so it's like what's the point and now we're like we have this Federal Reserve System where I said like theoretically you can just never get out of that debt. If I'm understanding it correctly yeah I think I am but you know. It's it's complicated. I mean obviously money was huge. Driving factor list. But someone are Marx's rockefellers probably a bunch of them were very very smart to. Oh super fucking smart and you know and they've set up other like you hear about like the Swiss banks where like the Secret Swiss banks and Basil in Zurich and all these other places. Well that's like a central bank for the central banks so like they just and it's allegedly supposedly. They can take the money that they're making from the interest off of the entire. Us economy which is fucking trillions. And just throw it in there and like no one would be. No one would be the wiser where they in the Panama papers do no. It's a good question. I'm not sure. Yeah because that was the Panama papers are would you best describe? That is like an information. Dump Leah Yeah. But I kind of feel like. They're above the Panama papers. Yeah you know so yeah. They are mean they're the original like that. What a fucking family unbelievable. And it's like no one's ever become present because they don't need to fuck that it seems like a headache travel around by president. We have the president in our pocket right. And it's all right and it's like you know they probably piss on the Kennedys like fucking care about them. Let them be president yet. Because you don't imagine like it'd be crazy they're like we don't WanNa do that. Because I know probably cost the ruffle too. Many feathers charge a lot of are going to get passed through. These people would realize what's going on so we'll just have your face. Maybe that's what happens with the fuck up like nephew using and grandsons. It's like you'll be the governor of Arkansas. Yeah Fuck you will be the governor of New York. Be You know the senator from West Virginia like you're not involved in the real shit but you can have some fame fortune crazy. Be showing through to sit down with one of these rockefellers. Yeah do you think he would survive? You ask questions like this. You think you walk out of that meeting now. Probably not probably slips corona virus half probably holy ship and I do think they sell a creed before dinner. Yeah I bet you they have like these secret meanings or it's like they shut the lights off and like do like devil worship and shit who knows crazy eligible crazy shots at all actually all allegedly. We don't really knowledge us like the Internet tells us what we read what she reads Our chief that you very much crazy. That was those interesting foxy. Rockefeller Rockefeller is controlling everything they have. They really do all right. Everybody that's for today. We'll catch you next time.

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Shanna Shearers ARS Gallery exhibition; a sneak peek at BBQ, Blues & Bluegrass; Breaking Character Episode 96

Breaking Character

23:04 min | 1 year ago

Shanna Shearers ARS Gallery exhibition; a sneak peek at BBQ, Blues & Bluegrass; Breaking Character Episode 96

"Has been Shelby. X rays. Jeremy lamb, Paul. We both have a passion for the vigilant forming art share that slightly different ways, I'm recovering print journalists. Specializing in everything music fists, and I'm an operatic. Tenor eater director producer came home to help nurture the next generation of local talent right here in southwest. Michigan this show that not only gives you behind the scenes look in the south west Michigan's are sitting team had seen but invites you into the conversations. Welcome to breaking care. Breaking care brought you by Lake Michigan college to go slight theater as large center heiress, gallery, arts and culture centre, the twin city players and the Mason jar cafe this. This. Metsu Ninety-six of breaking character recorded from the federal building. And the Benton harbor are strict, I'm Jeremy Bonfiglio, and I'm Paul now. I feel ninety six years old today. I know I know whether it's the weather percent is the weather is that I'm opening theater. They said open theatre you'll have fun. It'll be Z, right? No, not at all. These we've got guests. We do nonprofit, right? And I told you to have fun. That's all I shout. Joining us in the studio this morning, our as our longtime friend, our says Seaver scally arts and culture center in artists Chiena Shearer who has a new exhibition opening Friday and in his gallery. Thank you. Ladies. Thanks for having us. Thank you for having us horse. Well, shannon. Let's let's start with you. Tell us a little bit about this exhibition and what we can expect to see on Friday. Thank you. Sure. Yeah. I'll have eight painting oil Hanes on just paper, and I'll have seven pulp paintings which are handmade sheets of paper with pigmented pulp painted under donning. Yeah. And the painting stemmed from project. I was doing on my own just to get back in the studio every day. So I did a painting a day everyday for eleven weeks in those paintings are result from that project, and the paper paintings the paintings are from wanting to expand some of that imagery into a different medium to tell me a little bit about subject matter. What are some of the things that you're going to gravitate toward? Yeah. What I what I've been really interested in lately sort of domestic vignettes so taking domestic settings and objects zooming in on those and making these really beautiful quiet vignettes thinking a lot about color shape pattern things like that really formal interests. But using a domestic sort of backdrop to those minutes. Nice nice. And then we'll tell me a little bit about your process to tell me how you work you have you have a studio. I've already. Watercolors their their oil unjust, sewed papers, the pulp painted caper. So yeah, I have a studio in my home. It's an old farmhouse. So I have a beautiful studio there, and I'm in Pullman, Michigan. So kind of Leah. Yeah. That's we're out in the middle of nowhere dirt road. So we're six three. Yeah. Cool. So I have a studio there, and these these paintings were made in silence just me in the studio really focused on the making. And of course, the paper paintings had to be done in a paper studio shadow to Andrew Peterson it hooked pottery paper do those in her studio, and she was a great source for me getting those pieces done so huge things to her. So for the most part, the the work was all made in silence is focused using imagery that I take myself and making the paintings from that. So Anna, tell us about how you discovered Shannon's work, and why it seem like a good fit for. Well. I'm a Channa at Oxford last summer. We just became fast friends, and I started she brought her work in one day. I asked her to and it's stunning. I can't even tell you. How thinking her work speaks to me a lot. It's going to it's already. It's isn't even halfway installed. And it's it's really amazing in the gallery. It's very thoughtful. You know, it's the colors the it's just so beautiful. Thank you. So. Yeah. And then well, she ended toast a little bit more about yourself. Now in a Mitch and oxygen that you work for a at for a number of years, right? Yeah. I worked there for fifteen years in various capacities ten of those years as campus director, and then just left in in November to pursue my own thing, my partner Mike in. I started a farm where we have farm products and produce sourced or selling it. Farmers markets now and local shops. We have hot sauce, we have pasta chocolate bars, and then twenty twenty eight varieties of garlic that were. Growing and lots of other produce. Right. Hinterland right. That's right. True land farming kitchen. Yeah. That's great. And then in Tulsa little bit about, you know, you mentioned that that Chin's work speaks to you. What what do you think it is about her work that kind of stands out? Well, I mean, it's very peaceful. So I mean, we're doing some fun projects. I can't quite say yet because they're still being lined up that always jinx jingle that. But we are doing some really fun things around this exhibit. It is. It's just peaceful, and lovely and thoughtful and your color choices, and you can just, you know, abstract art, you know, it's, you know, she's numbered them. So she's not giving any stories away. She's letting it's subjective letting it speak to you indigene, and it's it's very captivating. So I'm just trying to find the right language. I don't know as as a person in the art world for thirty years. I'm just really fascinated by harangue good word. It is. It's very tranquil. It's all about you describe those sweet soft describe this. She didn't. Silence. Yeah. It was important to me to have sort of an intense focus with those pieces because to me they were so much there so formal, but for me, there's so much more about the internal process of painting making it's just a really engaging process. Very meditative. I think. Thank you yourself. Breathe you concert under breathing. Yeah. Really really cool because you're gonna be there. Thank you. We want to talk for a second about the I am the greatest beach bash before we let you go. Come back. Leaker too. But you want to tell tell us today just getting a little short actually shout out Scalise. Six annual. I am the greatest speech bash June first six to nine at north pier brewing for the second year. We were having hula dancing hula lessons. We are having fire dancing live music with, you know, with beach style, music beach beach bites served sweets surf suites, meaning like surfboard cookies, really funding. It is short this much shy of last year. Oh, yeah. We have a good time. And a great live action. We have Bryan Maynard I'm honored to say that we have Bryan main forte coffee. Can we can we do show? Forte coffee. The best. Side. And we have tickets are on sale. Tickets are on sale, you can go to our Facebook page, our website of it's through event bri- you could pop in the gallery, we'd love to see you. And we have all of our committee members out there like we're almost going to war over in a Joe, I'm joking right? Trying to like, no buy tickets. No, right. Once again opening reception for the worst of Shannon, Shearer takes place from sixty eight PM this Friday may ten at heiress galley, gallery radio one four seven fifth street in the Benton harbor Ostra. She's an Massar, ladies and gentlemen. Anna admission is free. So come Shannon and enjoy your freshman since small bites. Of course, we can't make Friday's opening or just want to spend more time looking at this beautiful work the exhibition will be on view during regular gallery hours, which are noon to four Tuesday through Saturday for the next six weeks. And what's the last day of it? Then in the math. We're not going to say that. Yeah. Question is still shut down for more information. A little long and badger two seven seven for the answers because she has two seven seven five zero nine zero or visit a RS arts and culture dot org. Thanks. Sweet face. Thank you so much. Thank you for having. You're welcome. It's almost time for in my humble opinion. One of the best events of the year are never humble, but try. Yeah, you're right. I'm talking, of course, about the seventh annual barbecue blues and bluegrass all day music Bruin food event, which takes place from noon, eight pm on Saturday may eighteenth. So before you can't get tickets to this event anymore. We thought we'd better bring in our friend Amy's APL executive director, Saint Joseph's Zeh who organizes the event to tell us all about it. Thanks for being here and happy to be with you guys. Always. Well, let's let's just dive right in tell us about this year's fast, any changes that you know, really from the event that people should know about before coming down this year. There aren't really it's a good, template and know the community responds visitors respond so well to it. We've had. Disgrace feedback on surveys. So we love the way. This is the way it set up right now. Just right. Centennial Park, right? The lineup. Give us the rundown. Okay. I'm so excited for the sign up. I said the same thing last year. But this is just a special lineup for me, the special consensus is a great Grammy winning. Grammy nominated excuse me, longtime bluegrass traditionalist just a great. They are such good musicians. Followed by nor Jana, nor Jane Struthers in the party line. Fred. Jane? It's just such good music Cha'palachi is a really super cool band. There's some folks from South America, there's some Americans, but they do bluegrass that's called Latin grass. So they knew. Appalachia? Jay, Jay, Jay. She. Right. So they're just really they'll they'll do some traditional bluegrass. But then they kind of throw in this Latin grass that is awesome. That's cool. Yeah. Yeah. So to be cajones is the undercard five fifteen. She is the Queen of Austin soul. She doesn't great blue set. So she's going to really really low everybody away, and then one of my personal favorites, JD McPherson headliner. So the whole reason we got JD McPherson is think I was watching with my husband a documentary on early early Elvis Presley. And as we were watching this great kind of delta Losey early rack. I just said that would be a great fit for barbecue that kind of of sound and JD McPherson is the perfect example of that kind of crosses a little bit that mix, you know, of you think when people hear bluegrass and blues you think those to really go together. But when you look at somebody like, JD McPherson. He does have blues info. Sciences, but a little honky talk and their tales swagger. I mean, you can see how the to feed off each other. They do the musicality is is very much, you know, similar. There's a lot of crossover between blues bluegrass, but JD is just a great musician, and he's gonna put on a great show. But aiming what about the barbecue? Yeah. So there's some great barbecue vendors coaches bar and grill that is they just do a great job with barbecue. Larks, of course, a state unity. Nash village will be offering some. Fusion. National something picking and grin. And of course, silver beach pizza will have pizza down there smoking deep barbecue. In would excuse me, end Woodstock girl. They'll be just doing a great job offering all sorts of different things from jambalaya to pull pork brisket to whatever you there's a lot of favors mentioned in there. And then of course to wash that down. We have to have some brew, right? You've gotta have the everyone always tries to bruise into the name of the. Right barbecue bruise. We've got some great Michigan brewers and winemakers. Farm brewers Blake's hard cider lazy, ballerina winery. Maplewood brewery, paren- brewing company, Rochester mills brew, excuse me. Beer company round barn brewery. Of course, they've got they'll be premiering a brand new beer there. This year Subaru cited. Yeah. Cyberattack brewing company silver harbor brewing company sister lake spring company. Tapestry virtue cider way post brewing company in white. Pine winery choices, that's choices lots of stuff from the region. But of course, we always have to highlight our local favorites because they do such a great job and make we live a lovely place to drink before you everybody to run down. Do you have some sponsors that you wanna give we do Chemical Bank? Does a great every year. They've been a regular sponsor budgets tributing and the Paul and rose Soochow ski charitable trust. Also, we have to a couple of new sponsors maple leaf farms out of Indiana. And Vale rubber right out of Iraq. Excuse me, Saint Joseph and then, of course, radio stations Boden electric. We couldn't do it without them chronic RV provides our VIP spat so everyone can cool off before they get on stage or maybe after they get off stage. Yeah. So it's really we've got it. We're very very lucky to have those sponsors that are just generous and kind and so willing sports something in our community like this big run down here, you let me know if I forget anything anything else. So the seventh annual lucky number barbecue blues and bluegrass if you have a couple of brews, you might say Barakeh Burs borough this, right? Eight PM noonday PM on Saturday Mateen in world pool Centennial Park, because the weather is going to be perfect just below the bluff and downtown Saint Joe Wright, actually right tickets only twenty dollars in advance twenty five dollars at the door day of right, special consensus, Nora Jane, Struthers and the party line chain. Appalachian coal HA to Mika Jones, JD McPherson, children ages eight and younger free the purchaser tickets. Visit the mental center dot com and click on the buy tickets, but at the top tickets can be purchased by phone nine two seven eight seven zero zero option one or in person at the Mendelssohn are Michigan college twenty seven fifty five. Napier avenue Ben harbor during normal hours, which are ten AM to six PM. It gets also at Amy's office this age of today. Welcome center. Don't ask for her name. She's busy real one stage you, but you can yell over the wall apparently three oh one St. three Joe during regular business hours Monday through Friday, nine to five Saturday ten to five food and Bev. Ages will be available for purchase lots of foods. Lots of bev's. This is a rain or shine event plan to hang out for the day. No matter what the weather people bring chairs people bring chairs they've been playing kits. We asked they don't bring too many umbrellas because it'll block one sideline slip and slides flip. Whatever you love slips. I'm sure you do the pets at home. Yeah. It's just hard for them. Like the highlight of the year for not just you. But for the area always kicks off the summer. It's so exciting. Thank you so much for being here too. We forget anything. I don't think so other than we hope we see everybody teeth at me Peniel park. Great time as usual. All right. Thanks, amy. The crabs will art center has announced their summer twenty nineteen class in workshop schedule offering weekly youth camps in adult. Classes may eleventh through August, twenty seventh classes are open to both members. In members of all age ranges in skill levels. Weekly youth camps or scheduled from June through August include camps, like nature fort building mural. Magic create your own comic book and Shakespeare in the sun camps range from about one hundred dollars two hundred thirty five in Dr available for children ages five to seven and eight to twelve youth classes mean well offer a weekly taste. Of moth Martissant disciplines in Chrysler summer, art sampler or mud makers and mud puppies beginning of June seventeen also teen in adult classes for those ages thirteen and older include large scale woodcut print print making multiple introductory classes in ceramics and painting and three photography courses. But those wanting to explore multiple artistic passions Crasnick. Introducing four two week art exploration series or students or ceramics palette. Knife painting image transfers and ogrim. You can also register for a one day visiting artists workshop like smartphone photo, art metal clay, and copper and Emily, earrings and pendants intermediate and advanced students can apply to the two D or Klay artists guild to work independently in our studios full class information's available online at crasner dot org. KRAS L dot org or pick up a copy of the castle's summer newsletter. Art update to learn more scholarships are also vailable for families financial need registered with complete payment. Either online by phone at ninety three zero two seven one or drop off at the crabs at seven seven. Boulevard in Saint Joe now, we're on the subject of things happening. Another one of our of my favorite singer songwriters will be playing a special solo concert at eight thirty pm Friday may tenth may Irwin returns to the area making her debut at the box factory for the arts eleven one broad street. Saint Joe there will be a cash bar for the show and general admission seating tickets are just fifteen dollars and are available at box factory for the arts dot org. Also, the SMS oh, the south west Michigan Symphony Orchestra presents dancing with the stars at five thirty pm Saturday and the grand up hall, the mental center Lake Michigan college eleven hundred your avenue been Arbor, local celebrities, go the LLC's on Mike Nidal ski, and our friend, Jamie. Cousins of the Mason jar Mason cafe will be paired with dancers to compete for the coveted mirror ball award tickets this fundraiser or one hundred twenty five dollars for tickets or if you wanted to buy full table more details another sign on auction. Also. There's a fun thing down night. Call nine eight two four zero three zero or visit SMS dot org. Also this weekend marks the fifth five year anniversary celebration of the inner harbor shores. My buddy Brady cones manager that fine hotel. Come celebrate the in and the end and planks taverns five year anniversary check out how they've grown enjoy. What they have to offer Friday may tenth the new selfless Michigan cycle boat ribbon cutting for the new boat that you can paddle around and and rent out to cycle. But your way around the harbor will take place at four PM on Friday and the freedom ball club of machine is boat rides from four to six and planks dockside bar season. Opening live music of the dockside bar by Elliott and Joel five to eight and then Saturday again the freedom ball club machine about rise from one to three live music of the dockside featuring steadfast five to eight and then Friday and Saturday five dollars, burgers and hotdogs on the grill starting at five PM children's activities and rise vine five seven face painting five dollar dipping dots Frosties popcorn. Whatever scooter Joe's. Wheeling water rentals will be there with the Surrey bike, plus Kornel on the riverside, patio. Five dollar drink specials. Five dollar. Wine specials. Five dollars beer specials. Five dollar advertisers specials fairly is a five year anniversary going on and everything's five dollars. So I don't know if hotel rooms dollars Brady would he probably not s'mores at torching, top condo tours and harbor village. Open house and more so come check out the harbor shores five year anniversary and stop by grab a hot dog. Take the kids. Wake the neighbors that kind of thing. What did they say? Yeah. The harbor shores. They do great job down there. I think that's it. For this week's upset at breaking character. Remember, you can listen to download both current and past episodes, even subscribed to breaking character on our website, WWW dot breaking character, podcasts dot com. Get also find breaking character on Spotify, Stitcher, tune-in, or whatever your favorite podcast at might be. And find current news. Updates on our Facebook page breaking character, the podcast breaking characters made possible. Thanks to our sponsors lake. Michigan college the ghost light theater crasner center, heiress gallery, arts and culture centre the twin city players and a Mason jar. Cafe. We also I think are awesome technical sound engineer. Bryant Thomas of we have less edits this week and website manager care those big Neo for their fantastic work around the scenes Academy Award winning songwriter. Andrew Wyatt from the band. Mike snow and soon a few songs on my services new album or the use of his black and blue theme song, which is probably playing over my voice right now as well. As the folks right here the federal recording. Face has several month right here and been harbored Benton harbor arts district, we will be moving very Shirley across the pond. Now, the quad the quad ish here to the go slight. So thank you once again to the folks here at the federal you can you to support breaking character by using the donate button on our website. We can give in any amount. Simply click the button and make your secure donation be a pay pal. Find out more about us or our myriad other projects on me on Twitter at JD Bonfiglio or on my Facebook page under Jeremy's D, period. Video you could follow me on Twitter. PM tenor on Facebook productions latest venture that ghostly theater. Please buy tickets. We need you to buy tickets. We have four shows this summer starting June thirty. Tickets please. I'll sing it some tickets, please we really need you. All right. Ghost light be h dot com. Thank you so much everybody. Thanks again. For listening to breaking character.

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Leah Vernon - Episode #250

The Chenese Lewis Show

20:42 min | 1 year ago

Leah Vernon - Episode #250

"This is the sinise. Lewis show the number one for women with your host. The Queen we know Kirby Conversation Cindy's Lewis welcome to the show. I'm your host and he's Louis. Today is Wednesday Wins Bay September Eighteenth Twenty nineteen make sure you're following this show social media pages on facebook at the Sheath Lewis show and on instagram and twitter at shinnied show and make sure you subscribe on Apple podcast Google podcasts spotify or your favorite podcast APP APP. Today we have a very special guest. Leah V is an international social media influence or with over a a million views combined and a new author of unashamed musings a fat black Muslim she plays many roles as an educator her public speaker plus size model recipient of numerous awards and as an activist who's been featured by Buzzfeed Yahu Sibi S CBC Huffington Post Seventeen magazine and the New York Times in addition to land the national and international features. She's worked on projects with Adidas Polaroid Refinery Twenty Nine and Nylon magazine and we're so excited to speak with her today less welcome. Lia The show now we had some technical difficulties a little earlier but hopefully we can get her on the line clear. We have so much to talk about including her new new book. That's coming out very soon so we're going to try and see if we can get Leah on the line again. This is a live extremes so sometimes there's some glitches but always great content so I know as soon as she gets on the line is going to be an awesome interview so again. Leah's book is Unashamed Musings of a fat black Muslim and she is a published Arthur with a book deal so this is a very exciting for her and her brand and she do. You have a lot of exciting things going on that. WE'RE GONNA learn about today just going to get. You're a few minutes to call back in and while we are waiting for her. Make sure you're following this shows social media pages as I said we're on facebook twitter and instagram and we are on all of the podcasting APPs subscribe and rate on the podcasting APPS and when you subscribe you get a notification Asian every time there's a new show so you never miss an episode you might miss it with social media because of the Algorithm sometimes things is coming. Your news feeds and sometimes it doesn't but subscribing you get the notification right to your phone all right. I think we are ready to go. Leah Yeah all right so we are. We are back and we are excited to have Leah on the show. She has a lot of exciting things going on how you doing today Leeann. I'm doing that uh-huh so were you confident growing up. was that something you have to grow into as an adult yeah. I think that's something that I have to grow into as an adult when I was younger growing up in traits I was always always fide and also Muslim Islam- time where Muslims weren't really in the media like that nobody knew what was going on with my my job and so I very much but so self esteem issues and I did it the issues that last offer all types of things like this order and I'm self paid of my black my brown skin and it's something that doesn't have to go into as I've gotten older and kind of explore what is to be at that blockbuster living in America and how did being Muslim specifically play a role in your life where that will give you more more obstacles versus being Christian in America yeah so unfortunately right now. We're aware aware of marginalized. People are being attacked. not just most but typically the media has straight. US and be either TRUECAR's Chicago things easier terrorists or you are an oppressed Mormon and so the media constantly portray that you don't really get that big of a push of negativities with Christianity as much as you do bomb. I'm in the new and so allows the girl comes to me and thinks that I am those stereotypes and it's really difficult. Sometimes you're like we're all different on moving like less and less Malpensa Games but difficult thing of America and not even just America abroad as well 'cause like in Paris. They have her job banned for teeny band so yeah and you mentioned you're originally from Detroit now now. What made you relocate to New York. Was it for your career. Yes so Detroit is a very interesting place going to a lot of change in right now. I think that when the black when are black mayor you know he got arrested and tried indicted all those things you've been doing and we had a white mare take place and now we're seeing a lot of different changes not necessarily to the African American community there and the culture that it's so rich in Detroit I think the media again is portraying destroy to be like oh it's on the come up come up for certain kinds of people and and so black artists until I can no longer drive in Detroit and so I came to because it so effortlessly Elizabeth diverse here they also have infrastructure for what I do. and I've met turn our leaving her for like six months but I've met so many people that were never had access to Detroit so it was mostly for my brand. My brand my business. So how did you discover the plus science community initially and get get active so it was through Instagram as usual all kinds of identities English. I like that and my friend I had already had facebook. My friends like girl. You need to get on instagram. 'cause it's no it's stuff on there. I'm like I have facebook so oh I don't feel like I need that for and this was in two thousand what and team and finally got instagram and I tell the pond on behalf of five models and like my whole world chain we I've seen I picture like plus. I've black woman eh his killing it with Esi golden who actually got to meet this year in person. I've been a big fan of heard so many years and she's lobbied walk. This journey and from the Plus is vital Hashtag. I usually like following auto pounders activeness loggers influencers and they they hey drew showed me how to love your body loves about your now as you could have when he used to have back in the day and that honestly my so. Oh many possibilities of what it is to be fat black and Muslim in America and how to live my best life now. Did you have any obstacles trying to get sure branch off the ground as a model and blogger while being someone who dresses modestly. Oh Yeah for sure I still I I still come across those issues on even when when I get the game but it's definitely been a whirlwind of no because people unfortunately they can't see her what they're already doing. What's already popular and right now. We see I'm not furnish ain't nobody who does this but we see right now. It's like the set sail and I WANNA post Ludhiana pulse movies and I come in like hey. I'm a modest models. I'm also awesome. Here's the second team and so if I had a lot of old promotions put my own money into trying to do photo shoots in five years and sometimes just like your pool are seen and can I help you by you know allowing free tickets this right here in New York City. It's always always every day but anyway and so I came across a lot of people were like you'll never make it because you can't model allows right. You can't do Bikini. You can't do all this stuff you have when you're in your short get walker heels so oh you can't and I and I just kept making my own table goes along. These and people started with have respected that I would that break from own those and I guess companies and brands are seeing like Dang well okay. She got following seriously legend best in in her and so I'm so I'm so shocked. I'd get like a GIG or commercial. I'm like Oh wow you know it's amazing. I'm so humble by those experiences because because like I'm the only like visibly you know fat plus I so do you think your activism differs from the mainstream body positively or you think it's all the same I do think that course mccourty overlaps as you have the plus size models don't really do a activism they kinda showed their bodies and like I forums right there are other people who are just like accepting summer just like straight into positive were they might not need beat mainstream. There's so many different overlapping levels of the body positive I think what I personally table is another level of religion and finally that sometimes Mris and the movement so I wouldn't say I totally different because there are aspects I think that are really showing right now comes to wjr religion spirituality and culture now you are a new author your book unashamed musings of a fat Ed Black Muslims. It's coming out very soon and I tell us. Why did you even decide to write a book. Wow so yes. I'm very scared but I actually wrote. I'm before August social media stuff remodeling modeling going up like that for my faith. I've been a writer for a very long time and I found killing for my trauma and writing stories and and so it's actually my fourth book and support the first one you published and the reason why I wrote this memoir because honestly i. I wish my mom was very very mentally. Ill and the things we need our kids where I have to like this for many years. My father other would never ever this year and our you know role. I have two masters degrees but I was living in the House that I didn't really know that well. The luck turned out yeah okay situation but I was tired of people telling me what I couldn't use rational watch the and I- I angrily wrote this book and I saw my trauma and stories and my into into this looking three months and yeah ah turnout and so they liked it and they want to sell it so I am so did you have any reservations ends about revealing all of these personal things about your life to the world. Did you fear you. Were going to be judged yeah. You're and I'm GONNA be judged. I just actually talked to my agent in my sister. I'm like visit mistake. I don't want this anymore. Like this is something that I don't I don't like I don't think you can ever prepare when I wrote it. I never thought it was gonNA tells us that's number one because the publishing industry so hard to get into like Dave Dave because hundreds and thousands of every year as I never thought I was going to get a book deal and so right now. It's just like we have have to see what's going to happen with it because like all my business in there and a lot of people are gonNA be battling Moscow. The numbers are probably going to be angry and but end of the day these are my truth and if you if you let them get prominent that's amazing who don't. I can't make everyone like what I say. if you're comfortable by the book which allows you people are gonna be very uncomfortable businesses and there that's very raw and gritty that a lot of talk about a loud so. I think it's necessary. Hey prepare myself right now for the backlash and the loan that'll come from of mice stories now now just from being a blogger and instagram. You do already have a little bit experience with online bullying right so do you think writing a book and this audience for being a author is a whole different ball game than the online bullying on Instagram Graham yes. I think there's GonNa be a little bit more heavier. because even like Graham is very very important to me but sometimes it's nothing to be my faith and an outfit and you know post something online good schools so private so it's it's like my baby. You know I'm putting may twelve thirty years worth of story 'cause I've never heard anyone share with anyone and so that it kinda feels like a personal attack when somebody try something bad about that there's actually been a few reviews already from a lot of white women for some reason who's the published ordinary elitist then is still very whitewash and got that. I'm just like one girl. They call me buber over and it's like okay first of all then whatever whatever your name is chill out with all the names of black women there from Detroit. Is there a narrative from a white woman who grew up in the suburbs my habits and his parents as you know what I mean so I mean she'll out those words and she was calling me it and the comfortable story and so I have to calm down understand. I would probably get a lot worse than that but right. It's a journey and I'm learning. I'M GONNA have to learn how to nothing personally but it's hard because my baby so so out of all of the communities you are apart of which one do you feel the most criticism from is it the plus size community immunity the black community or the Muslim community criticism. I WANNA say between the factory and the again minded told and stuff like doc or backlash from either the look more and the privileged and that I'm fascinated. We're fine city and stuff like that. So it's a toss up between those two wow well you are going to be in for a journey with this book. Are you going to go on a book tour. Yes we're actually planning a small one upper now. I'll be in New York on the Book Really Fifteen Alvie Strand stores which is really amazing because that's like my favorite New York City and I'll be stockings and Brooklyn Shop. I'm going back home to many towards we're looking at. New Jersey and I'll probably be in California as well in the beginning of and so you can preorder the book right now right and we're paying you do that and work in the book purchase yeah a noble begins. That's the publisher you get from them. Basically anywhere around I can preorder so but also GonNa Gordon Dot Com and under under the section you can also see waddling bars. You can see route waiting. WanNa participate and do you have anything else happening. We can be on the lookout for right now. I'm just basically working on more modeling gigs stuff like that. I just did a tank for it. Which is really exciting? I got there wow working with them and that was a lot of like really huge influence as soon the problem is I'm like Oh my God. This is amazing and we shop their holiday campaign so definitely look out for that hopefully my face and their pamphlets. Clinton page and tell us your official website and social media pages so we can keep up with everything you have going on okay so you haven't fallen on the Gramm L. Vernon southbound and then you can also logged which is beauty news dot net and then my fish looks. I reinvented dot com where you can see about any features billion from where you can see. We need where you can meet me at so. Probably there well congratulations on all of your success. I really like Mike what you're doing and what you represent. Hopefully we get a chance to work with each other in the future. Yes ma'am that'd be amazing. 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The Minotaur, Part 2: Minoan Crete with Nicoletta Momigliano

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24:55 min | 2 weeks ago

The Minotaur, Part 2: Minoan Crete with Nicoletta Momigliano

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Today's episode is sponsored by Trojan Trojan condoms help protect against both unintended pregnancy and STD's Trojan has the reliability of a brand that has done this for over one hundred years. It's all about what feels right to you. So head over Amazon and grab a box of Trojan condoms and maybe a second box that you've been wanting to try out. Welcome to blow your mind production of iheartradio. Hey. To blow your mind. My name is Robert Lamp and I'm Jim McCormick and we're back going into the labyrinth. Again, this is going to be the second part of our series on the tar for this October I'm so excited because in addition to talking more about the the maze in the monster. Today, we're going to be interviewing a professor who specializes in the history of Minoan. Crete that's right. We're delighted to have Nicoletta. Mammalian. Professor of the Gene Studies at the University of Bristol on the show she's the author of the new book in search of the Labyrinth, the cultural legacy of Minoan, which is available now in paperback hardback and is an e book and it's a beautiful book. It's loaded with with wonderful illustrations and photographs of you know of the various motifs. that she discusses in the book. Art. So before we jump into our conversation, we should probably do a quick overview of Minoan Crete just to give you a little bit of background. Yeah. You know in our previous episode on the military, we touched a little bit on the fact that these are Greek myths concerning the Minoan civilization on the Isle of Crete. But the let let's just lay the groundwork for the interview to follow. So creed is an island in the eastern Mediterranean, the fifth largest in fact, it's part of what is now the nation of Greece it's long its narrow it's largely mountainous today it's a melting pot of European. Asian and African cultures, and it's well positioned to bridge those cultures. Now stone tools on Crete have been dated back one, hundred, thirty, thousand years but true human settlements weren't found here until seems like sixty, five, hundred BC but it was home to what is sometimes referred to as the first advanced European civilization. It was established by three thousand vce in two thousand BBC they were building palaces and exhibited a rich culture they thrive till at least fourteen, fifty BC. Ended up entering into a period of decline. Okay. So in the Greek myth of theseus in the car, we are getting sort of EXO mythology depiction of a past once flourishing culture but depicted from the outside by a different culture and in a somewhat pejorative way at least in in that particular story, right the the idea that there's a monster there and that the Greek city states like Athens would have to pay tribute to the monster in the palace on I in my no increase. Yeah and and one of the big things we have to keep in mind is that, yeah, we're dealing with one ancient people's interpretations of another ancient people. So when we referred to this Bronze Age civilization today as Minoan Crete the name itself here is referring to King Minos in Greek traditions we simply don't know what the pre hellenistic inhabitants of this island called themselves. Some scholars according to Mammalian Oh believe that the second millennium BC Egyptians knew them as the people of Kef to the Minoan Distinction Stems from the Early Twentieth Century He was dubbed by Author Evans the famous excavator of noces, the the the city there on what is what is now Crete art so Arthur Evans working on excavating this ancient structure, it can ossis. Is is knowingly he's not suggesting that like the mythical King Minos was actually the king who lived in this palace but saying, well, that is the terminology that we already have applied to it in a mythological context. So we might as well just use it to apply to the archaeological remains of this actual civilization, right? Yeah, and I think realizing that it adds to the mystery of it. All right. You know into the wonder again of of not just an ancient civilization but one ancient civilizations interpretation of that which came before thinking about. ancient Greek myths pertaining to the civilization of Minoan, Crete brings EPA subjects that we've talked about on the show before, but it's the modern tendency to kind of compress all of ancient history together and not realize how much time actually elapsed within what we call ancient history like for example, if you were Julius Caesar living in the first century BC of the Roman Republic, the ancient parts of ancient Egypt were more ancient to him than ancient Rome is to us. Now like that much time had gone by and so there were. Gaps of history in the ancient world even though I mean there were there were that the ancient Greeks also could look back on mysterious vanished ancient civilizations and not know any more about them necessarily than we know about a lot of ancient law civilizations today that's right and so in some respects me personally when I'm reading about all this and thinking about this, like you know it's like a game of telephone across the ages with different cultures interpreting. Different. Cultures. And I think stuff like. Particularly the myth of the are isn't a perfect example of this as it be begins as something to some extent rooted in this part of the world and an isolated around at least thoughts about Crete, and then it becomes this this Greek thing, and then it every time it is handled every time it is retold. It becomes a you know it takes on particles of new cultures and new concerns and new, people. Yeah. Totally. Before we jump right into the interview here, just want to throw in a couple of notes first of all around the fourteen minute mark, you're going to hear a couple of Outlook Ping's this is part of doing Remote recordings these days, but don't worry. It's it's us not you and the only be a couple of them. It's not gonNA keep going throughout the interview also I wanNA point out that our guest at around twenty five minutes in is going to mention Mason's marks and just to give you a little background. These are marks that were found on masonry that are sort of a signature of the individuals that created the masonry work. Good Dad that no, because I did not know what Mason's marks were until until we look that up on that note, let's go ahead and jump into our interview with Professor Nicoletta Mammalian. Role. Let's start with your book in search of the Labyrinth, the cultural legacy of Minoan Crete a where did the idea for the book come from and what did you set out to accomplish with it? Well I have always been fascinated by the history of research in anyone given subject. That he's I've always been fascinated by the complex relationship between past and present. I've always been interested in how a particular discipline has developed over the centuries. That is how theories methods research questions. Can Change from one generation to another. And of course, the way in which scholarly research and agendas developed is related to our present. Is related to what happens in the present. and. For me, the minority passed and the mine on cultural. Legacy. Is. Not. Just what happened in the second and Third Millennium B C that is the traditional chronology given to mine on civilization and also the. Legacies not just as I said, what happened in the second and third millennium BC and walked possible material or iconic graphic linguistic or even spiritual legacy may have been transmitted to us via Mycenaean Greece and then later via classical. Greece for me we now coal mine on Crete. Is the product of interpretations, reconstructions and complex entanglements between objects and ideas about. Them. And these ideas are influenced by the President I also think that is in. sledding portent for scholars to try and down the end, how their own discipline, how their own subject is perceived beyond academia. And I think artistic and literary reimagined nations of mine on Crete are group's to stink with. They may stimulate new ways of. Looking at objects. New Imaginations can make me as caller appreciate will significant or not about my discipline in for the general public, and after all, it is the general public, the taxpayer who funds my research and I think I have the duty to understand what fascinates with interest the general public not just me as is cholera. Now in broad strokes, what does the treatment of Minoan civilization in Greek mythology reveal about Minoan Crete's place in ancient Greek culture. In ancient. Culture in Greek mythology. What we now? Call On. Appears as a really strange and contradictory place. Crete in Greek mythology. Is a land where immortals us who is also the founder of King? minos. Swear. was nurtured, but also where he died and where he was buried. Mine on Crete was also a land ruled by Loki being king. minos was a kind of Creighton Moses? and King Minos conversed with and wisely guided by his father Zeus? But Crete was also found rife with extreme sexual desires. With adultery bestow. Mostly involving women and booze. pederasty human sacrifice, magic murder, and betrayal. So I would say the treatment of my nonce realizations in Greek mythology reveals a broader ambivalent aptitude by the Greeks towards this island and her past. This reminds me of some parallels with say the biblical view of the Antediluvian time the the time before the flood in the book of Genesis, which I think is simultaneously thought of as a time of greatness but also a time of sort of chaos and and immorality. Do, you see any parallels there're M-? Am I running off the tracks here? Well, why not? I think in a sense it's it's when people are trying to make sense of evade distant past of which they have very very. Vague understanding and memories they. Change. Something gets lost in translation in a sense. People are. Trying to they they know that there was something that happened in a very, very these past but. They've lost a full understanding of it, and so they tried to explain it sometimes in ways that Kelly more about their present than actually the past. All right. On that note, we're going to take a quick break, but will right back with Nicoletta Mammalian, O. 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Generation, design of the all new relic screams performance features include a new more rigid platform with race inspired double wishbone front suspension for sharpened handling a two hundred, seventy two horsepower V. Tek turbo engine with a ten speed automatic transmission for boosted acceleration and an integrated dynamic system with four distinct drive modes including a new individual mode also available with an Acura. Studio three premium audio system, and available Torque victory super handling all wheel drive developed on the race track for high performance handling simply put the all new Acura T. LX. Is the quickest best handling most well appointed sports sedan? ACURA. Has Ever made visit accurate dot COM to learn more acura precision crafted performance less talk more drive. And we're back in your book you discuss how how even the ancient Greeks used fragments of Minoan material culture as a catalyst for further creativity. Could you give us an example and explain what that means? Yeah I can give you very very precise example which is provided by some Greek pottery author of later periods that was found at can assaults. Three. Dates to the early to the Greek re Iron Age that is to the late ninth and. Eighth centuries be seen. That is one poll in particular lead that was found in a minute on tomb. Which? Might aunt that had been cleared and reused in the early, iron? Age. And the early irony age pot is decorated with an octopus motif. This motif is actually relatively rare in the area donate age but of course, it's one of the motifs that was quite common in mine on Crete. And all these lead the way which the octopus is the big dig the position of the octopus head. Above tentacles the number of tentacles which is eight suggests that it's really derived from mine on pottery of the so-called marine-style you and not from later examples, for example, Mycenaean period where the position of the head is inverted and sometimes the number of the tentacles is reduced. So the declaration in this spot is inspired. By Mine on models, but it's also something new because it's created in a new style in the style of the early iron. Age. And then I also, I think other aspects of mine on. Material Culture. That acted as constantly for further creativity, for example, large ruins of the. Palace of consoles and perhaps even some of the frescoes that remain visible. For a few generations or even centuries after the was abandoned, the ruins were certainly quite visible even in later centuries that we know for. Sure. WHO created these buildings? What this buildings represented where no longer part of leaving memory? People had forgotten all that and yet people felt the need to provide some explanations of what these. That he presented and so later Greeks created this wonderful fantastic stories of monsters and Liberians of Women Having Sex With Bulls powerful kings that were how divine and half human it's actually it's also related to Joe was asking Leah. Yeah. This is this is very interesting because I think often when we think about etiological myths myths that are supposed to explain the origin of something, the most common thing people think of their explaining natural phenomena admits to explain where the why the mountains are this way or where the lightning comes from. But there are also etiological myths to explain cultural artifacts of human civilization of course, and how I think there are explanations. That relate to our physical world. You know it's not whether it's natural phenomena or buildings but these the point I'm making is precisely that it's that these things are no longer part of leaving memory. And that's one when people are trying to create stories about them. Sometimes, they tell us more about the president then really what happened in the past. It's almost as if they were natural phenomena, it's almost as if they are a mountain range or something like that. Yes. Well I think people probably indicators of ruins of buildings they would recognize what they were, but sometimes, there were source founded by. Kinds of buildings that people were no longer able to produce in later centuries that sometimes they attribute to their constructions to God's. For example, moving from my non Crete to other areas, the walls of Troy. The walls of Troy's of course were built in the middle of the. Early, middle second. Millennium See. But the way in which they are described in the Home Eric Poems. Eighth Seventh Century BC as if had been built by God's but of course, they were not built by God's they were built by human people like you and me but people had forgotten the is and there were so astounding that they thought they explain them as being built by supernatural beings and we've seen something similar in recent centuries as well. Correct. Yes to some extent. Since the rediscovery of mine on Crete in the early twentieth century. Thanks to our the excavations of Sarah Evans can solve and by. Our geologists are the signs writer and artists have been inspired by immaterial culture of minority to create something new from poems to ballet. Or paintings. And the French writer Paul Moran? In an article hero in the nineteen sixties, use the term Creteil. Mania to describe this phenomenon. Mania is, of course, a term seem at to earlier terms and. USE TO DESCRIBE SEALER PHENOMENA SANCHEZ EGYPT TO MANIA. Greg Mania Helena Mania so is ancient Crete mania compared to our modern fascination and retailing's of various historical settings and motifs. I'm instantly thinking of modern Roman Sagas are various Viking TV shows and the like. Yes. An again to some extent. Clinton media is above all borrowing of mine on elements to create something completely new. And sometimes though mine on elements are also used. To give a more ancient more Arcachon more bronze. Age Luke to later Greek dramas. That are set in what we now call the bronze age or heroic past of peace. But Kinkel Mania is above all the use of. Elements to create something new contemporary. Now in discussing the Muhtar we, of course are discussing bulls how did bulls factor into Minoan civilisation and how is this reflected in? Greek myth. Well lose appear very, very frequently in minority. On representations. Especially from the mid to late second millennium BC. We find that the presentation of booms in frescoes puffery the figurines in tiny tiny seal stones and particularly fascinating are the representations of bull leaping that he's of human fingers. Producing acrobatic somersault over the back of charging bulls. But interestingly and contrastingly. The Peak Shen of. Tour images that these of creatures that are half bull and half human are actually very very rare and relatively late in mine on Crete. And also we may wonder whether some of these representation may simply be very stylized. Representations of bleeping because they appear on tiny seal stones. Or Seal Impressions. And animal. Human hybrids do exist in minority pleat, but it's also interesting to see that there is no prevalence of booths necessarily. Because, some of these human hybrid. Representations including some of the ones tend to involve other animals. Some birds or goats, for example. So. How exactly one got from mine on rules to later Greek representations of the mind tour as a hybrid trigger is.

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TRU information - Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

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TRU information - Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

"Remember the views and opinions expressed by this show or any other show TV radio, and it's strictly those of set and vigils and do not reflect those dvd of staff nor the steph dysfunctional veterans. We're brothers. And we're looking. Three. All the host of evidence. Paul pause say live to great three sweeper prep a job with our forefathers weren't the pilgrims we didn't land on limit throughout. The rack was landed on you're listening to true information with Mark Davis grown as man. Hello and welcome back to another version of true information season to what? Am Your host Mark Davis here with your own. Roman. Grown man. I forgot the first time that we were doing that but. Yes I'm grown man so your mom my life. and. So today I want to talk about the hall of Fame Rock and Roll Hall of fame to be more precise. No, no, no, no. No. No. Down down down down that. Okay. That was out of nowhere so It was rock and roll. I remember a couple of years ago when they announced rock and Roll Hall of Fame Class Maybe think of two thousand and like seventeen eighteen. A lot of people were upset because they were like this discuss not rocket when they inducted to pocket some rappers was like rapper shouldn't been rock and Roll Hall of fame because that's not rock and roll. And I'm like, What Are you guys idiots? Do you even know who some of the first and duct tape of the Rock and Roll Hall of Famer because they weren't rock music Were blue would be know. And so grow man you have to historical preference to tell us the history of the rock and Roll Hall of Fame's before I do that. Prevalence Bell that oh? Matt. Pr. The prevalence. What? Did Out Using it better sentence. The Rock and Roll Hall of fame and museum, A. Museum, Hall of fame in Cleveland Ohio and celebrates the history and cultural in the beginning of rock music and honors. The contributions of those who have played important roles in music creation summation Oh in music. Yeah, Music Mad just rock and roll. It what the? Yeah. Okay. Okay. All right. Yeah. It's not exclusive to. One, just one Sean. Music established nineteen eighty-three a group of leading figures in the music industry including Atlanta records co-founder. Net. ed gun yoke and Jane Weiner. Pronounce that wrong to the publish the publisher, Rolling Stone Magazine in the nonprofit and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation was responsible for the creation of the museum and the Hall of fame was begun inducting honorees in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, six. after consideration. The bids of other. American cities. Of the have been pivotal in rock history, the foundation located the museum in Cleveland where this Jackie Anna freed had coined the term rock and roll in one, thousand, nine, hundred, fifty s the other other locations that were considered were New Orleans Memphis Chicago San Francisco in New York, city. see. do. The the hall of fame open to the public in nineteen, ninety, five, the hall of fame you Sacks Museum opened. Up In nineteen ninety five in addition to the hall of fame, the facility includes a wide variety of your frequent frequently changing prominent exhibits. Sorry frequently changing permanent. Quote. Unquote exhibits that draw the museum's extensive. Holdings of artifacts to examine rock is origin influences throughout the prism of Genre So. Yeah. Different. genres. the prisoners of gendre geographic, a gre me geography fashion. Biography and as well as social cultural and political history. Music has a political history. Well, what go figure typical artifacts include instruments used by the famous musician stage clothing and props. Drafts of Song Lyrics, correspondents, original album art handbills, posts, photographs many of the exhibits are highly interactive. And the music. Is Omnipresent. Museum also mounts major temporary exhibits as a has a large research library and archives offers educational outreach in conducts conferences and symposiums. God. Let's see. Musicians become eligible for induction. Into the Hall of Fame Twenty Five Years. After. The release. Of their first recording. The foundations nominating committee. Made up of rock, historians Selects nominees each year in a the performer category who are then voted upon by an international body of some five hundred rock experts those nominees with the highest vote total and more than fifty percent. And more than fifty percent of total vote are inducted. Five to seven performance being chosen each year. There is often tension between commercial commercial success. How you sail and reverence by critics with the critics thing in the selection process moreover, the committee has been crew criticized by some of its alleged music industry establishment bias in addition. To performers, categories of inductors including. Those who were early influences of rock seidman supporting musicians in non-performance e produces some entrepreneurs. In disc jockeys, the annual induction ceremony is held in New York City and featuring performances by inductees in prominent guests, Coleman as the in a all star Jam Session So that is the history. So let's look some of the I. Hall of Fame Rock and Roll Hall of fame inductees. So you got very Chuck Berry you got James Brown. He's not Jerry Lee Lewis Got Ray Charles. Sam Cooke. ooh, that's domino. Man Everley brothers. Okay Buddy Holly. ooh Jerry Lewis. Little Richard. I thought you said him already know. Okay and Elvis Presley. Okay. So that's your first class of rock and Roll Hall of fame inductees. That that encompasses everything, you would think rock and roll is. Understand what you're saying Yep, some so so that was the controversy when run DMC was inducted into the hall of fame. People were like all man all you. You just heard his it's about who influenced music. And rap is amusing whether you like it or not. What I'm saying. Is. It was like Having Rap Music, being placed in the hall at rock and Roll Hall of fame is important to music. Right same thing simply punk music you know. Twenty five years after having having been recorded I. Mean if you look at some of the names of people who have been nominated but are not in, you got shocked she'd been nominated twice carole king. was nominated in nineteen, eighty nine. You Got Shit. She has been nominated one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten eleven tom are not, and that's a great group. Okay the Dave Matthews Band was not made it twenty twenty. You know Do, you got Ringo Starr. You got so many influential people who are in the rock and Roll Hall of fame like we said earlier, it doesn't encompass just one genre so. It doesn't. Question to you is this. I'm sorry in my question to you is this like you said Chakai like I understand she did great things and you know she she's she's she's big but my question is is she influenced her Like And NFC that and I picked up the car because I know that she's done. Great Music. But I've never heard anyone say. That shock a CON influence them. I've heard people say that that that Little Richard that. Prince that. Sam Cook some of the names that you have already spoken to of the first few inductees in in in in Nineteen eighty-six. Some of them I've heard people say, Oh, my inspiration has been playing. The person that I really looked into looked up to and really got me into music was blank bulloch would if that's what some of the measurement? Of the inductees is is how often or how much within the twenty five years of them having recorded? Well, you eight influence the one thing I love so much about the Rocker Hall of fame is the span in the range of music that they have in it. Okay. So you look at look at the list you have you have journey you got to park you got Bon Jovi. You Got Nina Simone you have nine inch nails have stevie nicks you have. Janet. Jackson. The zombies you have the Doobie brothers who got. This year Whitney Houston Tories is B. I g, it's like. Such an ever-expanding cachet of music that anyone who says world not rock and roll it's just showing their inner. Idiocy. Idiocy. Yeah. You know It's like Green Day Hall and Oates Peter Gabriel Kiss Nirvana. It's like wow. If, they made a collection of the number, one songs from any of these groups you would. You wouldn't be able to change a song. Like you sit there and be like, Oh, I've heard that before. Oh, I like that song even if you don't know who Janice is. Even, if you don't know or like Metallica you know. In Genesis the first book in the Bible Metallica like the fourth. Okay. There we go. I'm just leave it at where it's at. You know you got grandmaster flash and the furious five, the sex pistols, Leonard, skinner you too Percy sledge at Buddy guy the names I'm naming just a an ECLECTIC group. Of People in this. So who do you think should be some of the people next in the hall of fame. Next A most reassured when I say Jay Z. and beyond say I mean they're going to be in at some point. Point Yeah Right Let's see. How about Britney Spears. I. Instead the best thing backstreet. Boys yes. Just a timber is going to be in there by himself just going to be in there by himself. Yes. Elliott. missy Elliott should be Timberland missy Elliott. ooh. who is it? Who is it? Who is it? Randy Travis. Already there yes. I'm looking I. Don't see. Any? Artists in the rock and Roll Hall of fame though I am that's weird. You know if you claim to be an eclectic mix of all of these great people, you should have more country artists in here like Willie Nelson is he in here let me check and see I. Don't I don't know they're gonNA put Willie Nelson he might smoke too much we for them. Yeah I. Don't see Willie Nelson and here at all into That's the travesty. You Know I. don't see a is johnny. Johnny cash. Is he here? Yeah. Okay. Johnny cash is in here. Yeah. Okay so out. Assault should be in their outcast will brandie should be in there. No. Okay let's. Let's. Let's be real here. Wit Wit with brandies, music okay. Let's let's just let's just let's. Let's cut the crap. So because we have had versus and stuff like that. You think these people are great music artists. Oh that's not. going. You know in that case Gladys Knight or Franklin Well, you know aretha Franklin's in here. I didn't remember that I don't I don't remember that. Yeah, okay. You're asking me. Eighty shabby in your CEELO when here's Tom COM slash. Ninety six, she's in here. Okay. CEELO CEELO green needs to be in that why? He is up he is an amazing artist ochre several. He has a he has a Christmas album that I have played religiously for the last five years. So you send the his music on par with that of David Bowie, and for example. From who for example? Who Oh my God. You don't bring. You. Play a song for him for his might know but as of right now, I'm saying that Ceelo as a performer is on the level of. missy Elliott. To me. I might be wrong but that's just me. I think that if he continues what he's doing then when his twenty five year mark hits, then he should be least nominated if not inducted. Oh. Okay. All right. I'll see. Okay. But you know there are a lot of artists like Mariah Carey you know who Selene Jeon It's a lot of artists I should be in the hall of rock and Roll Hall of fame that have contributed much music. Should should deceased people be inducted like Leah? Yeah. Okay. Okay. I mean you know if if contribution was warranted. I can't see someone who only release one or two albums getting into the rock and Roll Hall of fame if you've only released one or two albums. You. As much. Well it depends I would say it depends on how influential those those are albums were for instance. If. Who wrote the UK old Lauryn Hill. Lauryn Hill does not come out with a nut their album for the rest of her life and only goes off the strength of the miseducation of Lauryn Hill. Man You think she would get in though that will be a tough argument. Took exactly I mean because you have to look at the strength of that one album. Thank you but but it's not one though. Multiple albums two or three day weren't as strong as that one Algal. I hate to say. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah I mean you were. Twelve grammies off that one album. In that case what about Konya. Oh most definitely Kanye West is going to get into the rock and Roll Hall of fame. I'm sorry say he has influenced music and changed it. Especially hip hop music even pop music. He's changed so much that regardless of how you feel about him, the person, his music. Enough to get him into the rock and Roll Hall of fame. Agreed. I mean I mean. Sometimes. You have to separate the person from what they have given us. You know I mean if that was a hall of fame for business people I, would say donald trump should be in there. Sorry to say. You know are you? Saying. I mean no, not really didn't think. So I mean, let's look at what is business acumen has been. You understand what I'm saying. So if you look at the mutant accurate of Kanye West. Boring what you feel about him personally yes. He should be in the rock and Roll Hall of fame. I mean, that's like that's like that's like you said Jay z you know a lot of his music doesn't speak to a lot of people I don't believe his his what was not was album that everybody loves. Dang it I can't think of it but I like the blueprint better than that album his first album he came out with. You know and people look at me. Funny. When I say that I'm like well, you gotta understand I'm looking at from a more His growth in evolution and how he was able to become more popular based off of the blueprint then his other album. Man, but you I look at. What he had to stay people getting a muted to make money. They don't get into music to try to try to send a message. I mean let's let's be real here. Let's be real here. I thought well, I thought some just like to make music to make music and then found out they can make money making music and I like to see that person. Okay. If you re any by any biography of a lot of musicians they did it because they want it to make money. I mean, let's think about it. A lot of musicians come from. An impoverished place. That's because they they they need something to sing about. Exactly. And they get that and they sing and then it becomes popular and they make money. They. Do things like look at basketball and football players. A lot of people do it for the love of the sport. But many of them do it because they see is going to be a big check at the end. Money, of the strong motivator. And member of the Rock and Roll Hall of fame. Must, have a lot of money. They've made legendary songs people still play I mean I still play fricking a rechargers Georgia mind you know because it's such a beautiful beautiful. Song John. I mean. If you look at the history of the song and the place where he wrote it from. Is just an iconic song that transcends time. Now. Who Way to you know if you look at James Brown when a man loves the woman, it's an iconic song that truly time pause not. With a man of the woman is a man's world. It's a man's were. Okay. Wait purchase. This. Man The woman apologize Yes, thank you. That's the that's a transcendent song. You know it is they are in. You're right. You're right. You're right shot day I showed. He's old enough to be in the now or in. The group or shoddy the singer. Singer. Your sure not shy day the group because shoddy the group should be an shoddy. The Solo artist didn't have strong album as some of the other ones. Okay. This is this is opinion now this. Is One of the icons as well because if selene beyond can get in I, think lean deanna shoddy are actually almost neck and neck. Grew Sweet Taboo. Okay, shoddy. The individuals singer came up with some songs I don't even know. Of course. Came up with some songs that L. Even know. All. Right. All right. I May that may be true. That may be true. Okay. I'm sorry that'll take Selena. I was ever in a group No. I mean just simply offer that one song she made my heart will go on that can put her. Put Her in the Rock Wall. Just by herself. The Titanic, Song that everyone played out the. Beautiful. What about people? Who just covers? Like a will our Yankovitch wasn't? He isn't he and the All Hunger Holiday Oh technically, he should be I think he actually in you should. Look that up. You tight loud. Let me see. Oh No, he's not in the. Hall of. Fame but he should he should be. Yeah you're right. He should be. Even though he did basically he did covers I mean but. His his his in ignorance to play other people saw was transcending. was really good at rewriting those songs to fit a purpose. Just eat it. That was comedy pure common. But if It was purposeful. It had it makes sick after. Trapped. In the drive through, it makes sense. It takes a popular saw and he makes it into a comedy song, which actually is legit song. Yeah, what was the song? Nevada he did a Nevada cover with the marbled in his mouth. Smells like what was it? Oh Man. No nobody smells like Teen Spirit but. Another smells like something. I can't remember the name of it. I remember he did Amish while we he it Amish Paradise. Paradise. So that you can name off the top of your head that are songs in their own right and should be worthy of him being in the rock and Roll Hall of fame. All My guy, he did one for. Jetta he did one for started. What is it? It's a it's a song about jet I like literally Oh. Yeah. Well, he did it when. The Star Wars trilogy first came out. They dated saga. The saga begins soccer begins is the name of it. That saw What was it? What was the song? Oh my God, if you notice song able to show at your information to twenty dream dot com. Twenty Mile The saw he did for the Star Wars movie. Yeah I said the saga begins to remember how to Song Win. Oh Long. Bob. Sunderland attack. Oh, man. Named quiet, John. Federation, and then maybe giving us a little slow because some at any moment now, I don't Care Oh. Wow Rock. Galaxy. I'm done I'm. Done. We just went on a whole tangent about Weirdo. Yankee of it. We should. We should start petition. He should be at a rock and Roll Hall of fame. Enthusiastic. Screw it. He did good. Good. Good. Good. Good you done. Good. Another one rides the bus. After another one bites the dust, right? That's a great song at the matter I mean Queen did was great. I'm sorry. Queen with the Fan Queen Queen Queen. Is Queen, in there they need to be. In there come on. y'All go queen. Dude I have my son listened to queen when he was two months old. and. He rocked out. I was surprised by wife to Queen. ME. Too me too. Well, she knew some of the songs that I showed her who made them and other songs. One thing to What's what's what's what's the grew? My wife is out. Now, what's the group you like with the leasing with the name was on that show but the witches Yeah fleetwood. Mac. Oh. My God fleetwood. Fleet. One of fleetwood MAC's people die this year. fleetwood MAC is an amazing amazing ban. And any African Americans who have not heard of fleetwood MAC or choose not listen I tr- trust me just go on you to type in Fleetwood Mac, you'll fall in love. It they are a wonderful group I don't think gets enough credit for what they have contributed to music overall. With. Mark Davis. And I am grown man still having you please sell your mom about me right? US. What did they write us at true information twenty twenty edgy calm. or or an me out is grown man speaks edgy milk dot com, and that way you can talk to us we'll talk we love communicate with our listeners and fans and things of that nature and. I love it until next episode. You'll have a good day to the Knicks episode. Okay. Goodbye. Soldiers Chiel to the next episode. As walk in my ear. 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#37-Psychiatric Care, Supervision, and Process-Oriented Work with Leah Creary, MS, MT-BC, and Joy Kaminski, MT-BC

Creative Therapy Umbrella

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#37-Psychiatric Care, Supervision, and Process-Oriented Work with Leah Creary, MS, MT-BC, and Joy Kaminski, MT-BC

"Do. Do. Welcome back to creative therapy umbrella. This is a place to talk about all different types of creative arts therapies that can include a music therapy, art, therapy, dance, therapy, drama, therapy, and play therapy, and so much more. In today's episode. I get to talk with Joy Kaminsky and lear. cleary who are both music therapists that have significant experience working in psychiatric care. They discussed the ends and outs of their work. Both on forensic units and civil units and the differences between the two. They also talk about the power of process oriented work with this population. This was a really really interesting conversation to have with Lia enjoy. I personally love process oriented work as well, and it's really cool to hear about it in a different population. we talk about the elements of safety both physical safety as well as the mental safety. that it takes to do process oriented work and supervision is a really hot topic as well in this episode, both as a supervisor Z., and as a supervisor, so we talk about the experiences of being a supervisor and learning how to do process oriented work as well as being a supervisor and how to support students in their early learning experiences to build this framework if it's appropriate authentic for them. Stick around after the interview at to hear about a giveaway that we're doing on instagram and for now enjoy the episode. Okay joy and Leah Welcome to the PODCAST. Thank you. Absolutely this is only the second time that I've had. More than one person on, so the first thing I like to do is, have you guys introduce yourself so listeners can and connect your voice. As you. Speak your out so Leah. Can you go I just introduce yourself? Sure Hi. This is Leah speaking. Awesome enjoy. This is joy. And, so you guys have this awesome connection in that you guys both work at the same place Would you either one of you whoever wants to start? Tell us a little bit about where you work, and what your were kind of looks like. Okay sure you WANNA go first Leah. Yeah. So I. Am we're both in an inpatient psychiatric hospital There are two sides to the hospital. There's a civil side. There's a forensics side so I am right now full time on the forensic side of the hospital which means that me get from jails and prisons, and they come to us. to basically get stabile. Stable, enough or they can understand their charges, and then a day are discharged to jail where they go through the court process, and then sometimes we don't see them again, and sometimes they come back to us if it's determined that they need further treatment with us. so I used to work on both sides of the hospital, but right now I'm just on this forensic side of the hospital. Enjoy. Are you on that same side? Or what does that look like for you? I have been on the forensic side several years ago, but was only doing a couple of groups now. I'm just a part-time. Twenty hours on. are three civil unit, so we have like two more acute units more for adults ages eighteen to. Like sixties, and then there's one geriatric unit which is like age fifty and up so I'm I'm only on the civil side now in Leah's only on the forensic side now. And the civil side there's usually. Is there any cross between the forensic and the civil side? like? Can someone go from the forensic? Side of the hospital and then move over to the civil side. Do they ever? Were Yeah so there's a legal. Basically label called three, thirty, twenty, or Cpl, and those are the people that come back to us from jail where it's determined that they need more treatment, so they'll go through a certain amount of time with us, and then when they're determined to be safe enough to not be in that secure environment then they'll go to a civil unit so if they're from. Area they'll go over to arsenal unit, but we got people from all over New York state so it really depends on where they're from initially. Interesting Can you guys tell us a little bit about how I guess where and if it's different for both feel free to speak on that too of how music therapy looks. on those different units. I I, think joy I know that joining I work in a very similar lands I think you know the type of patient that we're working with varies based on where we are not that there aren't patients who need more care on the forensic site, the hospital, but on the civil side patients tend to be more acute so I think probably. In crack me if I'm wrong joy, but I think that joy the patients that she sees probably require a different approach than the patients that I see. Do you agree with that joy? I think the use of the word of approaches interesting. I think I think me and Leah like like you said we both have a similar humanistic lens that we take I think so, that always grounds my work, but music therapy might. Look Different Yeah because the patients are. I hate to use the word more sex because I think each person is. Is Second. In different ways, but they're more on the civil side. They're often coming in. like this might be their very first break or their newly psychotic so at least in my experience from seeing civil work versus forensic work. Typically what I have seen is on friends. They tend to be a bit more stable like they've had. Time to get. Treatments medications therapies in their in their system, and in their being whereas on the civil unit. It's it feels much more shocking to me like they're literally just coming in from being homeless or from you know doing something very bizarre like running into a school where they weren't supposed to be or jumping into a pond or like something horrible has happened just newly admitted, and they're just much more. acute. Maybe shoot is the right word But in terms of what music therapy looks like I think. I use a lot of song based work and a lot of improvisation I think my patients tend to. They might not be able to say they might be so disorganized that they can't really save. Even say a song whereas on forensics. I. What I've seen! I think they tend to be a little bit more insightful because they've had maybe more time for all those treatments to work so. I found myself on the civil side doing more Like what feels like more grounding or music therapy to help them just feel safe in that moment when everything feels so. Maybe, turned upside down So you know maybe providing more songs that might be familiar to that person or might just give them a sense of structure when everything else feels really unstructured, so it's always using the songs I'm always trying to use the songs to to help hold a feeling that that person might be going through that they can't express whereas I for me and yeah, correct me if I'm wrong to Leah on forensic, it seemed that. Overall, they were more able to kind of talk or maybe even tell you tell me what they needed. Whereas on my unit, the civil units, they were a little bit more. just acutely disorganized and may be more psychotic just because it's all so new in the doctors really haven't had time yet till like fully understand the person. Was that your experience? Leah Yeah No, I agree with that. We do have a more acute floor on forensics where patients come in directly from jail or prison in there, there's definitely people who are very sick down there But I think that the setting that they're coming from makes a huge difference in the way that they function. Some of them are already on meds. They're just coming to us for more stabilization. Some of them have not taken any manse and then just the culture of the prison in jail system is just so unique and I think that it really affects the way that patients function on at least from what I've seen but I think I do because they tend to. I. Think on my side. It might just be the approach on the friends ex. Ex words but he shouldn't seem to become stable more quickly. and so I think I'm able to do more talking with them. they're able to communicate their needs more easily to me and especially when I'm on the two other floors were they're definitely more stable there have been groups where it's been mostly talking. And all of the talking just came from one song, or just came from one improvisation experience and I feel like I was doing some of that on the civil side, but not as much as I'm doing on the French excite. Yeah and I think on the forensic side to My understanding is that they can more quickly Medicaid patients because they are more dangerous to themselves or others. These are patients that have committed serious crimes like rape murder. You know fast. Re really really devastating things so. They can act more quickly legally to give a person or even, or for you know they'll be required to take a medicine whereas on the civil side. They're not just not required to do so so you'll see patients kind of linger at least what I've seen is you'll see them linger in these more disorganized or chaotic or psychotic states for longer. which is a big difference but I think they're willing to do that because my patients aren't as acutely dangerous as as you know, they're more willing to let Joe Schmo you know. The C has symptoms, and how disorganizer category as because they know, he's not GonNa try to hurt somebody whereas Leah's patients. That's a very real risk so I think they are. just quicker legally to to medicate people which I think. you know is one important part of the picture. That's really different from my side I think. I, agree with that. And so with your With how you know where your patients can come in, even on both sides for you guys. Is there a lot of the your therapeutic process? That's very much like you can't even plan for at. Were you kind of come in, and it's like you know I think we all know as therapist. It's like you have to see where a client is during the day, but I think you guys I'm assuming you might feel that more intensely because of how much could be going on in somebody's life. Joy You're saying with with the civil side of care and which with so much transition happening before someone comes to you Do you guys find that you're in a space where you have to really come in and very much the in the moment in going with that, or are you able to plan for sessions? How does that look when you're kind of creating that therapeutic space and how you're holding all of that space? Feel like it's taken me like year now that I've been a music therapist for like twelve years I can. I can go in without a plan, but that wasn't the case like just like five years ago I started getting more supervision on a weekly basis and diving into doing more process oriented work, but it's it's taken me a long time to feel like I don't have to necessarily come in with the a plan anymore. I finds that. the more able like you said to just be with them. Where they're at a lot of times, I'll tell students when I've had them to like. Make a list of just usually I'll say like the four basic feelings of happy, sad, scared or mad and just have students list songs that fit into those categories that remind them of the patients that were working with, so they have A. They have some kind of like a template of like okay. If the patient is presenting as really, you know scared I can go in this direction with these songs if the patient is, you know so. They have some kind of A. A hit use the word formula, but they have some things, so they can kind of city, or if a patient you know looks like they just really need grounding. These are some familiar songs I can go to, but So that's how I helped students now, but for me it's it's come much more natural after twelve years of work where I can, I can feel like I can just go in and kind of see a person and know where to go. I think it's. It's very to me. It feels really really freeing to work in this way without a you know just without a without a book without an activities books that I need to buy at a conference or something like that, it's just it's just very dependent and shaped by WHO's in front of me, which to me was very scary at first, but now through the years I've come to really embrace it, and that's what I love most about the work is not having to stress about. About, those kind of really rigid special plans. Is that the same idea, yes. I kind of just got it when I think about. My therapy. Is Not Presenting me with worksheets. She's not telling me Okay Leo. We're going to do this. You know intervention today. She sitting with me and getting to know me, so she has a basis for what I might need. And she has the basis, or how functioning, because she's gotten to know me, and so I think through doing the process oriented work, the most important thing for me is leaving space to allow myself to really get to know the patients, and that guides me on where to go and the sessions And Mike Joyce said I definitely have songs in my back pocket. That might match certain emotions I also like the most planning that I do is to sit with songs that came up in the session before so I can really get a grounding for where we're at together and what the patients might need in the next session, and I really before working at the center. I did a lot of planning for my sessions. Because the work I was doing really called for that. luckily were given so much freedom in the work that we do and. The way that our patients function I just strongly believe that process oriented approach is what they need. I think that I would really struggle. If I were working from. Maybe a more activities minded approach So, yeah, always I don't really plan except for revisiting songs that might have come in the sessions before. It's kind of interesting because I remember. When I first went to psych work I remember I used to work in special ED in almost every conference I could go to. You could buy some books that said you know twenty songs about social skills or how to teach I contact, or you know these and I remember when I got the job at the psych. Center, thinking like Oh my God. We're and I was like. Where are the activity books for like? Mental, health. I was. I was a very terrifying moment, but then I realized like they don't exist because they're not helpful or some of them might actually exist i. mean for me and I can only speak for my opinion, but in my opinion, it doesn't. There's not the market for it because I think it doesn't. It's not needed and it doesn't work like with. With special ED or with? You know that that kind of more maybe academic worker something you'll see a lot of those types of books and people use them, and there's a market for it and I just can't help but think that it's not there probably because it just doesn't. It just doesn't work for people when you're in a place of absolute chaos in your whole life has turned upside down. Just. Yeah, the worksheets and the curriculums. Are just for me I. Guess if I think of myself as a patient. That's not what I would want. I would just want someone to be there with me into listening to me and You know and to go from there, so it's. It's a it's A. It's a terrifying and exciting way of working in. And I think it speaks to. You know if that's a the process you know we would. You would want the client to be going through a process with you. How could you come from such a directed kind of place? You also have to almost be in your process oriented space to hold that space together, I guess. Yeah I feel like the work is meaningful because we go on a journey with the people that we work with, and if I were planning out everything, I. Don't think that it would manifest in the same way that it does and for me. That's why I love what I do. Because really unexpected things happen and the ability to just be flexible and go with them. feels really good and really important to me. I love that. Joy You had brought up something so I might just direct or next question to you and then Li. I, think definitely speak on this, too. But you mentioned that at the beginning, or when you first started this work that there was kind of that sense of safety was difficult or your. You know your own feelings of being in working in this population Can you guys Zeke on that process or what? That was like for you guys and how how you ve kind of moved to where you are now. Sure. Yeah I think for me I was working in a very more activities oriented bottle like coming in with. Fill in the blank song stuff and Song Pictionary, and Song Bingo you name it all of those kind of more what feel like two more cutter type of things to me because they were safe, they you kind of knew what to do. And you knew what your plan was and for me. The chain Mole Manila's had been my first, and I just could not cheap with how I was working. It was just so much crap You know a lot of like session prep. You know printing off things and I'm GonNa get this visual and. And you know I. Don't Know Yeah. By this activity book. It was just all I think I was doing. A tone chimes choir. How much I don't know if you've ever seen some of those tone chimes choir things just the amount of work. It took them make the boards and print them off and figure out how the hell do it in color coded, and it just ended up like I ended up just bringing a lot of work home and thinking I guess I was okay with it kind of worked in my life and it wasn't a huge. A barrier until I had Joshua I was just like I cannot. Be Mother and do this family thing and continue to work in this way. It was just absolutely draining and exhausting and I didn't WanNA. Put an ounce of. More effort into the and it wasn't. It wasn't getting the you know. The returns that I wanted like I was doing all of this work for. Tone chimes choir only to bring in all of these materials that I did find that everybody was really depressed that day, and and it was actually really felt. Contra indicated even in our setting. Because it's just our patients can never be I think because of their depression or whatever it is like. They're already feeling like they're not enough, or they're not good enough or they can't. you know can't focus and the idea of you know or trying to get people. To be on stage for a tone chimes, choir is just it's absolutely overwhelming and exhausting, and so for me. That was a big moment of like I just can't continue to work this way. so I started kind of reaching out. Just you know kind of like this. You know this podcast or you're just trying to kind of like. Is Out there and I was going a lot onto the music therapy. Unite page, and just trying to read and listen, and that's when I found my supervisor that I it was another therapist that was just kind of I really resonated with what she was saying and like couldn't in the we started talking facebook and I asked her if she did supervision because. just everything that she read it in. Posted I was like Damn I just. I really agree with this. This is the way that I would wanna be treated as a patient so for me meeting that person meeting her as as my supervisor was a big. A big game changer because I could finally find someone who was who had been in the works for longer than I had, who had is a psycho therapist and a music therapist, and so I was terrified, I was definitely very scared of working in a process oriented way, but I had her help. Which is why like you know? We had talked about earlier that? That this kind of doing these kind of podcasts are really important, because that's how we can connect with each other, and and know that we're not alone in the work but she really helped me kind of like. Okay, this is how like really kind of helping me like this is how you run a process oriented group. Because it wasn't something I was taught. In School It was more. I did tend to do more nursing home in special Ed type of placements when I was in school and didn't. The mental health community in Rochester is not real big big. There's just kind of like a couple of US so my supervisor really kind of guided me and helped me through like what this is because I don't think it's something to take lightly. It's not like Oh yeah. I just decided to do process oriented work in this like it's just it's. Very. It's very meaningful, and it's very in depth, and it's not just an easy switch. It's not just like a easy switch, but for me it even the most challenging moments in process oriented work are still better than the best moments ever were like in more of an activity or entity tone chimes fill in the song blank. do this kind of curriculum based music therapy were I would just rather any day. Me and Leah, we'll share stories of our like just days where we're really struggling, and even in those days where we might be crying and like Oh my God. How can we do this? I think we can both look at each other and say like this is still better. Than working in any other way, so. It's. It's very scary, but I would recommend anybody I think for me like if I could I'll music therapists that may be was in my shoes several years ago I was on the cusp of just leaving the field because I was just so tired of. Being the music therapists that had to work on all these academic concepts at school or you know, make up a circle song or make up a shape song. It was just so exhausting and I didn't know that there was another way of being so. I'm just glad that we're getting the word out that there are other ways and I. Think Leah Ucf at wants to a student really well to just kind of. Lia said to one of our students like just noticed how you're feeling in the work at these different placements like how our you and I thought that was really good advice, because we can't really make our students into little boys and little. Leah's and we don't want to. We just want them to like no deaths how they're feeling in the work. which I thought was a really good. Tip to kind of help, guide them to like where they will find their rounding or something. Yeah Leah. How has that experience been like for you? So I feel like I can talk about safety in two ways The first being. How I found my grounding, as a therapist felt more secure in the approach that I've taken with patients. And then also how vibe been able to feel safe with patients who are oftentimes violent or Threatening or hostile That's been quite a process as well so as far as. Finding my approach I'm really lucky because when I first started working like within the first month, joy gave me the contact info for her supervisor that she just spoke about and You know I had already really really felt like the work that I was doing previous to being RPC didn't line up with WHO I was as a person and the type of therapists that I wanted to be. And it was so freeing to hear from somebody. That's process oriented work, and being really serious about. Therapeutic techniques and verbally processing musical experiences is okay. You know that is a very legitimate way of working, and there are other people who work in that way, too It is really really scary when you first get started because. The way that joy and I work is not coming in with these songs that we've prepared throughout the week were literally having people say Oh, you know what song is on. My mind is like love the one year wicks. and. We have to then try to find a way to make the song happen Without I. Mean we kind of feel like made a choice to gather at a certain point, not really to use reported music because we both believe really strongly in. The RAW The? And the the really strong emotion and live music and the interpersonal connections that are created. Through making live music together rather than this past of experience of just listening to music. It's just so different so when I first started doing it was really really scary and on some days. It's still really really scared me when I don't know any songs like boys to men, and like that's what they want. You know who and so sometimes I'll just make it up and. And I'll say I. Taste it okay, if I just try this, and I can rely on my knowledge of RND music this generally what it feels like this is generally what it sounds like, and even this isn't exactly how the songs southbound's number one. It's something that's coming from me as her therapist and to me. That is the primary thing that's happening when they're in. The space is that they're connecting with me and they're connecting the other people in the circle, so the quality of the music, and whether it sounds exactly like the song. Ultimately, it doesn't matter what matters is them being together in the music? And then if say like, Hey, we that sounded nothing like the song what the heck was that then? That's a great opportunity to stay like will. What was that like for you? You know. What was it like for me to not seem that song exactly like it was, and then there's more that interpersonal connection with me as a therapist straight so It's definitely help to have joy and to have our supervisor to reinforce that this is a really beautiful way to work and that I, think also the results that I've seen and the connections that I've made with my patients I. genuinely believe me as a person I'm not saying that this would be the case for everybody but for me. This way of working has made my. Role as a therapist so like moving and beautiful and fulfilling. So, when I have those shaky moments, i. sit with that and sit with the feelings that I. Have a sit with the fear that I have I learn from that and I You know. I guess that's part of the work Then like speaking to working with patients who can be violent can get very angry very fast on things like that are like one of my first. Times alone on award running group this patient who's been with us for a very long time, took my ipad and I I was like you need to give back. Then they completely free down on me and started kicking the wall and yelling, and that I just remember like my heart was beating so fast. Snow wasn't sure what to do, and it was so so scary but. I think as your with patients more, you learn ways to de escalate. You learn ways to meet that behavior in a way that feeling in a way that will won't escalate it. It will help them to May becomes Downer or even to acknowledge like you're really angry right? Now I can see that you're really angry. What's going on? Does that always work no I, think the more you are around stuff like that. The more grounded you feel and BA last anxious. You feel So, it's definitely. I think it's scary when he first get started, but it becomes kind of commonplace in a way, and then you learn different ways to work with people. And then it becomes less scary. Yeah I. Think what I was. GonNa say to for me. A big part of it is just really shifting like. An, I are not were not music. Teachers were not here to that was a big change recoup because I did a lot more adapted music lessons prior coming to RPC and so like my brain was in more of like a performance mode just like working in that Lens for so long so for me, it really took. It's like a whole mindset shift to really be in the deep end process oriented work, and for me like when I started doing more process oriented work I let go of like I was doing like a couple of more adapted piano lessons at home after work, and I just remember having a really good conversation with my supervisor about like letting them go, and it just felt so good to like. Let go of more of the product oriented work. And just be really in it and for me, that helps like ease the strengths or ease this the fear because then I'm just I'm in the deep end in this work and I'm not trying to switch between a product oriented Lens. In this you know with these hours and like for me, I really need to be. I need I I need to be really in it and not kind of say I look on some therapists like like spills about themselves, and they go on about like working in all of these different models, all of these different lenses and for me, I. Just I find that overwhelming and I need to just really. It's helped me Kinda like cut out things that weren't. Process oriented, and to really be in. It has helped my mind kind of just really 'cause I just can't switch that fast between product oriented and process like it doesn't It just helps to have my whole being kind of be in it, and then the the feelings of fear. Start to slip away when you realize like we're not doing a chauffeur of patients. You know what I mean this is the therapy part is like we're working on songs. Together and so it doesn't really matter if it's perfect, or I just reminds me of like when I'm in therapy with my own therapists. Sometimes, she doesn't know exactly how I'm feeling, so she's trying to figure it out and there's awkward moments of asking lots of questions and like. You know what I mean so the work is. It, even talk therapy. It never really looks. Like, there's lots of moments of uncertainty and like hashing it out and I think. That it looks the same way in music therapy. The songs are rugged and jagged and not always. Real, but they're real, right? and. It's more like it's more about being together, not doing together. Yes, however that being ends up looking and coming out, but it's still just like that. It's that space of being yeah. And I'll say to like I feel like when I became more grounded in my approach, and who I am as a therapist, my patients notice became less anxious and more grounded so it really it helps not only me, but also because when I walk into the room. They know Leah is flexible, but they know the boundaries when she needs to. You know they're familiar. With the way that I functioned in the type of work that we're doing together so I've noticed too like with. All the Kovin, stuff that's going on I've been running groups that aren't. Exclusively process oriented music therapy groups, but my patients know me as music therapist, and so they're seeking still like that support from me, and and they're seeing me in that way still and so I think being grounded in your approach is so important because it really does decreasing -iety for patients at makes them feel more safe. Yeah like become like a beacon like you're you know it's like okay? We can be in this fog together, but I know like it's a steady nece. I like that almost brings to. You know a consistency that I think a lot of people especially working in any type of mental health mental wellness thing is if you can have some steadiness with your approach in who you are and what you're bringing. That is so powerful in itself. That there's. Sorry go ahead. Yeah Yeah I was just saying that I just absolutely agree, and I think when we I've just tried to like own that more with my own confidence in my own like just the way that I carry myself and insertions, and on the units like we can walk with confidence, and I think people are just like people see that when we really start to own it and know that it's. It's yeah. Allocate said it can be very foggy and very uncertain, sometimes what we can be confident that that's part of the process in. It's part of the. It's part of the good work so. Right well I think if we don't have that grounded nece. The emotions are already overwhelming and I think if we're anxious about. Our roller were unsure in our role or were sending mixed messages about the way that we work than we have these overwhelming emotions, we also have the space that feels really nebulous, and like what the Hell is going on in this space right, but if you. Hold the space for them than hopefully those emotions can come forward maybe more easily in. They'll be a little less overwhelming because it's a secure space where they can share them. I love like so well explained, and this just made me think of too because you guys are also I, I'm in part thinking about this because I think this concept and process oriented work can be one of the hardest things to explain to students. That students need you know whether it's interns or practicum or wherever they are in their learning process. You know may need a little bit more structure enjoy. You had mentioned that you know kind of grounding in some feelings to have something in your music therapy bag to go into. How do you guys go about supporting your students with disabilities? Some of the structure that they might need, but also really grounding them in this kind of process oriented work. Yeah like I said I've tried. I've I needed a lot of help with it myself because I remember working with. Some of the colleges and they're like okay joy. This is great that you want to work this way, but yeah like you said. Students need some kind of like. Grounding for what they're doing, so yeah I've had them write lists of songs that fit different feelings and I've also encourage them I think the kind of mentioned this to to like. Go through your some of your music, books or ultimate guitar APP, and think of your patients, and and go through your music as you're thinking of them and think of what songs come to mind and I thought. My supervisor gave me that advice and I thought that was really helpful, too, because I think students get and there's so much to learn as a student like you're trying to. Learn how to play an instrument and try to get up to your repertoire, but I think there's a way to learn repertoire in a thoughtful mindful, purposeful way versus just. I don't know just doing it, so I think at. I really try to move students to that next level of like okay. You have the repertoire, but now. How're you using these songs mindfully in thoughtfully with the patients and usually. And usually that helps. It's kind of neat to watch student grow each week and watch. Their list of songs build each week. And the other not. It's not like a recipe that they're following every week, but they have. Something and like we've had good discussions about like. When do you start with songs? When do you start with improvisation like when to help them? Know like okay, if patients really. Feeling really chaotic and disorganized like you can kind of get a sense like maybe in Providence, different for every person, but usually songs are very grounding I somebody. Maybe who's really. Doing a bunch of Improv might be too much so helping them to like kind of like. Sift out what the difference is between songs and improvisation and why we use them in when. Is kind of like discussions that I'll try to have with them during our process time. What do you? What do you do Leah? Do you do anything differently than that? I think what we're teaching. Them is just a different set of skills than they might be learning in other settings and primarily what I always try to tell them is. To trust their feelings. It's and to let that guide them in the choices that they make within the session. and that's a really difficult skill to learn if you're not used to working in that way, No. I think just. Encouraging them to do what joy in I generally do in terms of like sitting with the songs that come up, and then trying to identified the feelings within those songs, also really encouraging them to focus on an ice, stole this from joy, but focusing on one patient in particular, that really stands out to them, for whatever reason a patient, maybe that they feel really pulled to or connected to and then read their history really dive into all of the information that we have and and I think you know it's less structured and it's more like. freethinking I guess, but that's a skill to me like that's a a solid skill to have to be able to Sit with your feelings to think about the feelings of the patients So. It's really hard, but I think that once you are with these patients for six weeks. than you have a better grasp on how to go about that. Look? Go ahead go ahead. I was GONNA say it takes practice like you just have to continue to. The but the more that I do it the better that I get at it, so it's just like with anything else where it just starts to feel more natural over time the more that you're willing to. Just. Keep doing it and. You know I don't know how you feel. The but I just feel like since working in this process oriented way like. I just feel much. Much less stress like I enjoy going to work every day now and I think by patients like I can see it with them to like it just doesn't feel. It doesn't feel like I'm like forcing them to come anymore or do the worksheet saying or the? You know fill in the blank tone, tried and choir thing. There was always like heavy-weighted nece to it so it just. I don't know it just feels lighter. Yes, scary at times, but I think people I feel like people just feel more. Heard you know in this type of work. And I think that. The biggest thing I feel like we end up. Talking about with students is like just be a person. Just be a person in the room with the fans. That is a skill to learn how to navigate that. Who am I like who am I in this room? And yes, is like flexible but. In a takes practice, but I think in all ways of working. That is an incredibly important skill to learn and I. Think like that's the thing that's come up the most, and then also spending time with them, talking to them, encouraging them to talk to us about what their feelings were in the session. What did they notice in the section? really taking the time to dive into everything, so they don't feel like they're out at sea. Like were there for them in this? You know oftentimes scary work. Right and I think what was hard for me to like having supervisors before in this work. who were more like? This is how you do this work, and this is how you know. They always had more of like this. Just how the work is done kind of like healing and supervision, which always left me feeling like lacking or something like why can't do it this way like an adapted music, lesson, way or performance way or and I think the way that. Leah and I work at a supervisor's as more just. It's asking a lot of questions of our students in and less I think we come with suggestions and there might be some times where we have some more concrete advice, but. I feel like our work is. It's less black and white and more. more. More questions and more lots, more colors and grey areas so much more insight oriented I. Feel like that you're you know asking soon to be so introspective, which is so necessary when you're doing process oriented work, you have to be very aware of yourself in the process. Right hard when you're a student. I just in such like a people pleaser, and just kind of like my supervisor. Happy and do what they want me. Even though it's hard I think it's that's why I feel like I keep doing I keep wanting to be a supervisor is that I feel like there's not enough of kind of that way of supervising where look I don't i. don't want you to do this work to please me, you know. Just kind of like to kind of get out of that mindset, which is hard because there is that power dynamic in the relationship, no matter how you look at it, but. It's it's worth it to try to kind of show students another way of being supervised. And I think it like that. I think that that would create students who are more bound by their own internal locus of judgment, rather than needing suction external of validation of like. Yes, you did this correctly, or you know knowing to trust your instincts with so much of that that you know obviously like super vision, you know or someone to bounce ideas off of like. Am I getting the right thing or a sounding board to like? Hash that out with, but I think that also just promotes so much more independence with that type of work of your internal state really. Yeah, we're in when I think of like why my supervisor helps me. It's not because she tells me Leah. You must do it this way. It's because she'll ask me. What's happening with this patient? Something's happening here and she wants to understand what my internal experience is with this patient and what I'm sensing versus like here's what you should be sensing. Here's how you should be feeling so I WANNA do the same thing for my students, even though it might be more challenging, I think it's way more worth. Yeah and even I think for some students who may have never experienced that I I don't think I quite experienced that throughout my. Practicum I got an internship. In doing nordhoff Robbins kind of style, which is you know, just process younger oriented, but like that you know once somebody gets a hold of that, and it's the right fit for them. It's like. Oh, how could you ever go back? You know like your like lit on fire. When when you have a supervisor that poses those questions so that's so exciting that you guys. Are you know it's happening more and more you know that can happen. That potential can be there for so many other students who may be may have felt lost. Yeah and we encourage them like. Hey, if you don't like this like if this doesn't feel right to you, please tell us we're open to that. We're not gonNA. Insist that you work in the same exact way that we do. This is about finding your voice. It's about finding who you are as therapist. Right and like we're not like I'm Never GonNa, let a student come in all of a sudden turn. What am I? Process oriented groups into a product tone. Chime choir all of a sudden. They're going to have to work within a lens when they're here, but yeah, they don't. They don't have to get and I do Kinda. Wish I know that's hard. Because there's so much for students like at a Bachelor Babul should be absorbing. You know just trying to learn the instruments and you know I remember I. Don't even know if I could I. I don't know if I could have like felt my own feelings. That's the best student. So much. so much, that's thrown at you but I think that is a good thing to just try to like begins to notice what's. What you're feeling in the work I. Think is I. Don't I don't really remember. Being asked that and I think it's okay to ask that question and just start. Asking students, what what are you feeling in this work and It's hard. It's really not easy because. I think because of that power dynamic between your supervisor and and student but You know I wish it could look that way. And I think to so much of the questions that are asked are very like what population do you WanNa work with? And it's very much like, but then it's not like. How do you WANNA work? It's like who do you WanNa work with, but you know like those questions, and I think you know. I would imagine experiencing you know supervision under you. Guys were asking. Those insight oriented questions is learning how you WANNA. Work to you know there's many different ways work with people, but part of that experience for students is learning, not just who but how? Yeah. We aren't ask that question enough I. Think Yeah. Or at least I in my mind. I just felt like. Therapists were really looked as doing a good job if they could do, like all of these things like if you could do the same choir in the process group, and as in this like working all these ways than I just like the more that I get into this work, I just don't. I'm realizing that I really don't think that's healthy to like. There's an and the more that I dive into this work there so much in this humanistic lens to read about like you can't possibly really dive deep into every possible lead so I always like when I'm looking for my own therapists. That's like a red flag for me if I see somebody that's like. Behavioral and I do. And I'm gestalt and do this and like it doesn't like I question it so much because there's just so much to read a know about in just one lens so. You know it's. It kind of like the more that you do the work of more than you realize how much more there is to learn. Yes and it's I. Think to the. In a lot of this work there so much processing of like you know It's not always like black and white in you know like sometimes I look like some cvt staffer dvd stuff that's so helpful and so wonderful, and it's, but it's step by step process, or you know it's this thing in this thing in this thing, but like sitting down with like a Carl Rogers book, or you know the gift of therapy you know in like it's like I can read two pages, and then I need to sit down for a week and like let. Let that. Soak in. My bind uses for you know, and then like. Then I move on. There's just so. It's so intense to that. I think it requires. It does require a lot of time and space. definitely yeah yeah. Well guys as we are coming to were coming towards the end of wrapping things up, for some of our listeners who are curious more about process oriented work Maybe their students out there who are listening to this and haven't had someone ask those questions, and you know want to pick your brain about you know where the best places to go. If people are interested in the type of work population, where is the best place to get a hold of you guys and if you have any resources to feel free to shout those out, favorite goto things to. Sure yeah I think email is a great way to get in touch with me and Yeah, I'm happy to connect with anybody that would want to connect. It's joy, J., O., Y., DOT Kaminsky. K., A. M. I. N. S. K. I at Owen H DOT NY DOT GOV. So. Yeah, we always start with email and then go from there. Wa-. I agree so. MINUS LIA. L. E. A. H. Dot, cleary. C. R. E.. A. R. Y. At DOT NY DOT Gov. As far as resources go. We mentioned gift of therapy. That was one of the most important books for me. when I was starting out I actually emailed. Dr. Has I loved it so much. I got a response from the himself. Did you that out in frame it because I make a fan girl moment over that. I know I know I really should frame that. Gosh. I love that. And he called him soccer. Yeah that one in a shining like Shan was also a really. I think it's Anne Rogers. That one it's about working with children, but it was so moving helped me so much when I was starting out. At the tissues, because that buck are my gosh. Oh my Gosh! Joy any others from you that you would say are like must reads her anything like that that that's really helped you along your journey. I love Y'all on inpatient psychotherapy book. I thought that was really really good for doing inpatient work, because it is very different from outpatient work, and he kind of walks you through his experiences I'm really drawn to yell him as well I have not. I've not read anything by him. That hasn't been good or I haven't kept wanting to dive more into and I actually just started a a new book just a couple of days ago. It's called him Hidden Valley road by Robert Coker. It's a really good book so far about. Schizophrenia and where where we believe that it comes from and kind of the interesting link between. nature versus nurture, and how that kind of come together to make mental illness, which is just so fascinating the route. Where comes from so yeah, that's awesome. Great recommendations cool well. Thank you both saw much for being willing to come on the podcast in share your passions of your work. It's so just lovely to hear. Other people speak passionately about what they do. Ya for sure, thank you. All right I hope you guys enjoyed that episode. It was such a pleasure to talk with joy and Leah about their work in the psychiatric units and the process oriented work, and how they're spreading the word about the more unique type of work that they're doing the music therapy field. If you're enjoying the podcast and looking for a way to support us the best way that you can do that. Besides spreading the word is hopping on whatever platform you listen to the podcast on and leaving us or review giving a rating or subscribing this helps us become more visible to other therapists. Who may not know about what we're doing over here in this corner. Okay let's talk giveaway is. If you, follow us on instagram. You probably already know about this, but our instagram handle which is creative therapy umbrella. You can find us there. We have tons of updates and lots of fun stuff going on there, but there is a giveaway going on there until Saturday at nine pm. Mountain time we're giving away a book called creative ways to help. Children managed big feelings I love this book Y I love. It is because it's great balance of theory and applicable practical ideas. Even for someone like me, who enjoys a little bit more process oriented work where I'm not. I'm not putting activities out for kids to do. It gives me ideas sometimes when we get moving into whatever we're playing with these ideas. They're kind of like tucked away in my in my therapy bag. And I love that has a balance of understanding the theory because I think it's a really important element of all of the different activities that it talks about is understanding theory behind it, so it's a really awesome book, so go ahead and follow us on Instagram, and if you like the Post, you tag a couple of friends, you shared your stories. You'll get a bunch of entries and hopefully you could win. And Justice Reminder always feel free to reach out during this very crazy and confusing time. We are here to support you. 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Leah Kyaio  Badass Trainer Bootcamp & Teach Like Their Lives Depend On It

The Healing Place Podcast

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Leah Kyaio Badass Trainer Bootcamp & Teach Like Their Lives Depend On It

"Welcome everybody to the place podcast guest. I am your host Terry. Well Rock. N Super excited to have with me today. I totally forgot. We talked for twenty minutes now. How for natural last name so I'll say Leah Yeah all right. I E The I would've been completely wrong. Oh big long long bottles. All the long vowels are right there see I was. GonNa do like Taiheiyo or all right glad. I asked you okay then it beforehand. So it's my name. I should know well. Welcome thank you. I'm excited. HP here super super excited to have you talk about what it is. You're doing just told you a few minutes ago that I love one of the things many things that you're doing his the bad ass trainer boot camp so yeah yes faster boot camp and teach like their lives depend on our both our signature programs for the opportunity to teach teachers and that one does trauma informed resilience building social emotional learning student lead learning and helps to try and put all that together in everyday classroom and then the BASS trainer bootcamp takes my system system called mindset scaffolding and teaches trainers how to what we call increase your stick because our motto is godless up regardless list of the learning experience it either stick cert- sucks and so stick is what can people do when they walk out the door right was great experience but do they they do something with it when they leave and so increasing the sticks through our minds scaffolding so it's not relevant necessarily to any content all content and be with warrant so that's a really great experience a lot of fun and both of those me used to be able to build our own internal teams as well as we do professional to battlement in the diversity and inclusion arena and we're always looking for trainers who are willing to contract with us into and subcontract with us into contract vets and that sort of stuff so we that's our pipeline so you come through the baddest trainer. Go through mentoring go through coach training before you can become a weed trainer so so it's a process that we support each other through and then teach their lives we are in the process of developing the teach like their lives depend on it as a turnaround school who'll program so building and looking for more and more folks who have teacher credentials who want to go into schools that are low performing underperforming particularly those that are high trauma had property impact and turn the schools around. We've got it down to where we are pretty sure we can do it in we can do the majority. The work in the first year and within three years of school fully turned around so those kinds of things that are really exciting and and really driving the change out in front and it's about community right. It's how many people can we bring in to be able to do. The work spread the loan and and rising housing tide lifts all boats so we know votes. That's the fun. Part is building the communities that continue to be able to go out and have those impacts as a teacher. I can have an impact on one's long class as a trainer. I impact those groups of people but by teaching teachers teaching trainers. Here's the impact is is exponential so that's the driving component behind why those programs are there. That's wonderful perform beautiful beautiful and so like I said a bed in the school systems. Ben In the mental health field in wow is it needed and thank you for doing it. Yes and this is on tools rules. Like what do you do. It's so when we look at trauma informed we talk about how we raise our own awareness but really coming into into a pattern and a system by which I can go. That's something I want to change right. But how do I change that and providing those kinds of tools as well as talking about. Oh you know on the great news about trauma. impact in terms of the brain is that all the research is also telling us that learning is what changes that impact packed but we have to get in there and we have to get in a little bit differently sitting get stand and deliver doesn't work right so what are the tools that we have to use. How how do we incorporate. How do we replace things like working memory with muscle memory and so those sorts of tools and skills that are the game changers both for our teachers anarchists so that's kind of how we're looking at it as one of the tools that we can hand you not just. What's the information we can? He and you practice so yeah and that was this just local to Washington or is this nationwide. Are you reaching out. We're all over the place yeah and we've had a lot of success with it here in Washington but we've also had some success out on on the East Coast Ohio Virginia and we are my my dream right what I really want to do is to get into Baltimore City schools partly because they struggle the most they have the highest impact as one of the highest impacted populations and being able to walk in there and hand out even if I could just it all in one tool to every teacher right. I mean just just that sort of thing that would begin to make that change so that's the the the the big picture that I have and in in the meantime. We get to play in lots of other districts. It works really well and we're having a lot of success in some of our small rural district out here partly because the systems are small enough if we can change them quickly and that's paying off in big ways as well so yeah because what we do is we we encourage schools close to send like four or five teachers. Annan administrator and then in addition to the The boot camp which is six day intensive. They also get ten in our on on on the ground coaching in their buildings so it across months. There's also a bad are both bad ass and teach lives. We've coaching calls lovely just to keep the the energy going to talk about what's working. What's not working so trying to make sure that it's not one in none and really working working towards implementation because you know it can be a great program but if nobody uses it once they leave what good right so yeah it's it's it's it's we put together with what we think is well thought out with and with more and more willingness to grow their right so somebody came in and said you know this is what would really benefit me. We'd really look hard at how we might be able to do that. You can you know across the board so those kinds of things you know. It's going to be organic evolutionary right. It has to nuts right because I want to be the one of the giants on whose shoulders the next generation nations stands right to be able to keep things going so not trying to hold too much too close to vast right. We we have trademarks in. We have copyrights but it's not like we say you can't use it unless it's like here kgo eight traits that yeah. I mean one of the things things that I think is. It seems like on a daily weekly basis. We're learning so much more about resiliency and and what is having an impact in and what is not and and so if you're learning as you go and you're right in there. I mean you are in their in seeing. What is it the topping Novalis right yeah it is Arnstein right. It's helping people shift what they see what they think and and how they're judge shows up right so when I see behavior what I encourage people to learn how to describe instead of label because wavering carries judgment as opposed to descriptions which give us much more with a teacher customer says I kid who has violent behavior described who pass because violence has a really heavy connotation in. I had a situation where we had a little. He was a kindergartner and I had you know he's so violent silence and done I went into the observation and it was a kid you call his name while he was in height and turn lights. There was no esscalation he didn't and have any social skills he was raised in a home with his grandparents and great grandparents so he had no idea that there were other little people around he was so. Zucchini doc gates right violent right and so when we begin to describe behavior we take out that that ocean charge and we step into a place where we can truly problems and those are the kinds of things that we have to work at in terms of shifting how we think and what we stories we tell our stories are huge and we tell ourselves stories. We tell students stories. We tell each other and how do we change those rate. How do we get it into our bones. Those are different and if so much of the work right changing story and I spent I can't tell you how many times training my words are see see. This is how we change the conversation right now. So that's the tools right the tools are about how do we change that conversation. Listen right and no one of the things that POPs into my head in a bug your thoughts on it is being impassive setting and I said you know I would have teachers. Come to me me and say Terry what can I do. How can I help this kid. I have this particular child. That's you know acting out or having behavior issues in the classroom more just putting her head down there so tired there's another exhausted hungry and all about and we talk about it and then they would talk about you know another child in the classroom and and the one had a little girl had come to see me and the teacher was so surprised that this little little girl was because she said my gosh. She's just a little angel she so perfect. She's always so good in the classroom will hear this child was experiencing horrific trauma at home and so this child put on the I have to be perfect at all times. you know coach and was just the perfect student and never never did anything wrong with yet. This child had her trauma happening and it just happened happen to come across we were we were able to help this kid up but and so he tau till the teachers it's not always the behavioral issues with every child has a story kind of along the lines of what you just said and we don't know stories we don't. Know Trauma Rama and sometimes our kids can articulate it right which is why if we create classrooms that are safe learning earning environments for all kids we teach self regulation self management to all kids. We provide kids with the foundations that they need to be able to self advocate advocates and we create an environment. That's predictable. That's got structure and rules right but also has the ability for students to be able to identify what they are good at how they do things you know all of those pieces if we create classrooms that are made up of that then we meet the needs of all kids irregardless of their level of diversity regardless of their level of trauma bats what tastes like their lives depend on it out right. How do we create classrooms where all kids thrive thrive including teachers because you know we have the other side of trauma which is the caregiver burnout right so oh. Congo teach teachers in the process of creating classrooms that they can create classrooms in ways that are also south managing because way teach their example right so on this regulation which have four colors blue yellow or blue green red blue green yellow red that order right Lewis. I need a break break. Green is ready to learn yellow is losing control. Rent is out of control when I as a teacher can and also that model those guys. I've just totally frustrated. I am now in a gala. I really need five minute break so everybody pull out your silent reading. I'm going to stay here for you. Mess July deep breathing while you re. Do you need to do your deep breathing by all means. I invite you to do that but we need five minutes timer right so in that way I model that is this is just something that we do two kids. This is about living and I'll allows me as a teacher to step into self-care. Wouldn't it be cool if in June teachers were stuck cited to be teachers as they are in September right not I saw her break exciting to be that would be the litmus test here right right. He's ready to go in June. There was to go in September and so how do we help. Teach your step into that space because it's we're. We're talking two sides of coin right. Not only do we have kids who have experienced trial. I need to learn how to manage that and be themselves and and worked through and be a part of community. Teachers are in the same boat right so how on we manage both sides of the equation and things that are crucial in terms of of education and learning how beautiful will before we get deeper into it. I WanNa give you an opportunity to talk about your own personal story which will then lead us back into why it is. You're doing what you're doing so I was born into a family were drugs and guns from the family business a runner at seven full blown out by the time I was ten unless my mother two brothers sister by the time I was seven fifteen to steal cars and all of this was my contribution to the family business but if you look around twenty four was old in the business right and I was smart enough to look around and go and light to the younger than that around the same time that those those thoughts thought started to come into my head I was an inner city kid so we were in warehouses at least they knew where we were for a couple of hours a day kind of thing and I had my guidance counselor guidance counselor. You know show up in a class and say you know when you come to my office. The only office I've ever been was the principal's office right so I had no idea we had a guidance counselor. They had an office or what happened in there as I'm leery to start with we sit down and she says to be your smart art and I waited because there was always something after that right smart. Alex ask something right and she said you know you scored butter as a sophomore on the sat's than any of our graduating seniors and I'm like okay you're gonNA. Ruin my image right. Don't tell anybody anybody uh right and and so what and she was like. I'm GonNa put you in a senior English class then like you're really trying to kill me here. You know she's like it'll be fine. She put me a non English. Class is an English teacher for the first time in my life health. It held my work as exemplars not as a you know this is better than everybody else but as a this is is what we're driving towards you know if you need help. Why don't you look at right those kinds of things I had no idea she supported me. instead of telling me the things. I was doing wrong. She found my my humor my sarcasm in classroom entertaining and she helped to kind of direct it in the right direction. You know I would say that might not be as appropriate as we'd like in classrooms by right so those sorts of things that really helped to guide and then came the day and we had this huge research project we had to research another country. I had never been outside of Mu neighborhood and this was long before Google right so the library walls are all those little oh boxes right out the dewey decimal system. Yes you're supposed to know what to do with those right like in this lost state she literally set for hours with me after school in that library teaching me how to use those cards how to find the materials what each thing meant where it was and so she opened this holy world over and it was because of those two women that I was offered a college scholarship they helped me worked through and make sure that my mind's transcripts were well enough. I had what I needed. All those pieces were all in place and that's why I got my foot through the door in contrast now those were two white middle class women K. That's an important component because my best friend who happens to be black who was probably smarter than I am. you didn't get the same opportunities. She never went to college. no-one picture of US Smart no-one made that extra effort no-one leaned in no we'd walk down the street and people would would walk around her because she's black. She was the goody two shoes. I was the thug I was the one they needed to be wary of right. Those kinds contrasts and it's not like when I when I went to college it was a straight linear line are married. Dealer seemed like a really good idea at the time I mean just so so it was a circuitous process of getting myself through an out but what paid off in the big picture was being able to what to to lean into. I know I'm smart I o that I have these things that are working for me and the other side of that is recognizing ising as I went through so long on welfare sitting down with my your neighborhood girlfriends and I'm like yeah childcare and my lack friend who tries to be says says childcare. How'd you get child care. I said I asked and she said Sodi right so those kinds of contrast that showed up that allowed me to understand my white privilege and I'm white passing my mom was a full blood native. My Dad was Appalachian Hillbilly right so that my white skin is what gave gene up my mother and both both my brothers and sister were darker skinned and I was it was just another done Indian right so all of those pieces that really made clear my white privilege. It shouldn't be that way right. Every kid should have the opportunity I had and that's what's thrown me into diversity and inclusion inclusion. How do we level the playing field so that we are not just giving hand outs but giving hands up so that we are providing support the resiliency components that we know main search institute has had the developmental assets out you know as long as I can remember right right those kinds of things that we can do right it takes one meaningful relationship with an adult with a kid. That's all it takes that we can't reach each every one of those kids right so those kinds of thought processes that throw in any other contrast than that I've learned along the way right is it's the story okay we tell and so. I learned to tell my story differently when I went to a colleague of mine and I said I don't understand this marketing thing helping understand his marketing. She looked at girl. Did you not hustle on the corner like yeah well so what she's like that's marketing right and that was really the beginning of the change of my story because I grew up in a family of entrepreneurs. I was taught from a very young age customer service being able to identify and move product back to know what works and what doesn't have meet the needs of you know supply and demand how to market how to find your niche how to sit down with your customers talk to them about what's working and what's not all of those skills were embedded in that world and when I turn around and look at the assets and the resiliency that I was given it helps me to change my story which then helps me to help other people change their stories and the stories. They're telling kids so that's you know that that that what's it called when you take something big make it small yeah anyway uh-huh. I will write us and that's that's the nugget right. That's the piece of things that that moves everything forward awards and you think keeps me in my place that knows I'm powerful I am capable and special just as every other human being Nana China coming down with is and my job is to reach out looked and people say you are powerful. You are capable special and that's what I do so wow I started with goosebumps on my head powerful and and that's that's the power that we come from right. I mean all of us have that kind of power behind us and the goal is that you know as I said earlier when we were talking before this. This is how we becomes the shoulders the giants of the shoulders for the next generation to stand. Yes you know I tell people a lot said it before on this podcast broadcast but finding the gift within the chaos and you certainly found your gifts within your chaos yeah. This is a gift. I'm sorry the you know 'cause without chaos. It's really hard to to latch on right so when everything's swirling you gotta find it's kind of like when you're when you're dancing or when you're riding a horse right how do you how do you stay true. If find your horizon rates okay I says Goldwyn. Where's your horizon right so all that stuff passes asses a gift and and the more we can embrace that the more gifts fine yes absolutely yeah and to be able to walk away and right in behalf behalf have your collection of debt so wonderful and twenty years of therapy? I mean let's not I didn't get myself L. Right. I could have bought three houses with what I paid for my mental but it's manny so yes oh very cool so any myths or facts that you would like to clarify for listeners listeners so one of the struggles that I have is seeing this new thing in trauma and it's not what's wrong with you but what happened to you and what we have to be careful with that what happened to you. Is it really is. What's your reaction to what happened to you and what's my reaction to what happened to you and because otherwise what we do is we put people into a victim role right carport you what happened to you. That's the reason right which reinforces police which reinforced reinforced behaviors right. That's not what we want what we want is. We want people to say. Tell me about what happened to you. Tell me about what you've Jonathan. where else can we go rate right so so it's it's like it's only half the story? Yes it's important to shift from. What's wrong with you to what happened to you but we gotTA. Keep Going Victim Drama Triangle Angle and that's what I see is that what I see that that causes a lot of teachers to burn out is that they get caught in the story story of their kids rate so I have this student and this is their terrible awful nugget very bad story and it hurts my heart and I don't know what to do and then we lower our expectations stations and then before we know it. We've got this kid in a victim box and that's not where we want them. That's not self regulation. That's not self management. That's not I self empowerment rate so we have to step out of the what's happened to you into how do we. How did you react to what happens you in IRA- to announce you. That's what changes USA story yeah I just popped in my head was my favorite Hashtag for my stuff that I put out his trauma warrior in so I think about creating these little trauma warriors yeah okay you went through that now. Let's take that and see where we can go with it. Gets an empower yourself and and and one of the things that you build your shield with that you build your weapon with right those those are the gifts that you've been given that you put together into your into your moving forward because because we don't need armor either right or isn't going to Emerson dissolution right but what we do is we need to know how what are our tools once the way that we move forward. Yes that's right right beautiful okay. One of my favorite questions that I'd like to ask people is if you could meet anyone dead later alive to help you with your continued journey. Whether it's your personal professional or both who would it be so probably I'm torn right. I got I have all these things that run through my head. one of my favorites grits elders was blackout because he seemed to have the that thirty thousand foot view right so he was the one who as he looked around and watched how the the infiltration in conquering came with white people and he said the WHO has now been broken and it was this idea of the disconnect that has happened between human as everything else if I could sit down with him and have the conversation that says what it looked like the four there and how do we get back to that ray just to be able to have that kind of conversation I really think that that that would be like life changing for me. Oh yes yeah because we do need to get actually forget how connected we are. We forget What do you do to me what I did. I did you and when I lose sight of that no I I come from a global perspective that we're all connected and I'm the one who middle of the highway will often get a bug off my windshield dammit. If I'm the bug on your windshield. Get me off right so it's I'm only laughing because I met same person right right right and it's the mindfulness of what when I am mindfully aware that everything I do has an impact is right it creates ripples and research tells us if I do something that impacts negatively. It's GonNa take at least seven positives that so you take in to make that change yes. That's a huge allot of arrests responsibility to open my mouth and insert my foot. It's so why don't I just checked out before it opened my mouth and show for dummies out right so those sorts of things that that raises that awareness into a powerful languages how powerful my actions are how we never know we impact we have them and it's it's huge and crucial in terms of coming back together mean. I'm an idealist. I'm a dreamer. I'm mark mark. I'm a pisces. It's in my blood. You know my little dream world of you know my nickname glitter shooter so yes and realist on one. I mean you you know I haven't inner thug. You can't come through life thug without having some level of reality therapy attached yes but at the same time being able to look a wonder at the amazing resiliency that you're surrounded by people in animals in the planet itself and I frequently tell people. We don't need to save plan. It'll be just fine. We might want to worry about us but we don't have to worry about the yeah if we start to take better care of us and each other her and a teacher from a model I call selfish altruism which is a native tradition developed from the inside out right so I you develop your I who am I right and clearly who am I then I move out into concentric circles right into my week which is my interpersonal relationships and then from there I moved out into into my us which is like community in my world right and who I am in within each of those was ironic van. Is We change right. My is not stagnant and so it's like a breath right. I pull into my eye and then I inhale. It's it works almost in threes so at the age of three who we are the age of thirteen who we are twenty three who we are thirty three forty three and if you look at the life changes that were in each of those might not only does my I changed my changes my us changes so when we go through life right so if we were able to get every a person in our severe right to learn and apply all the things that we know about what it means to be respectful of I to learn in and apply everything we know about what it means to be respectful of me and what it means to and apply what it means to be respectful of us we could change the world within one generation and it's because of what I did not because of anything else right. That's how I changed the world and so that's it's that idea of pretty enough people. They just try. Let's see what happens right. So how how do people get a hold of you so I am on Lincoln and with respect has facebook page. I have a facebook page but I'm on I'm on with respect online and messenger wherever website and the website is with hyphen hyphen respect dot com and everything is there. We have an upcoming free Webinar on October nights through training magazine go to our web page. There's a pop up. Fox that says register. It's Free Webinar. It's an hour training to diverse brains. if you're a teacher training to diverse verse brains is the same as teaching diverse. Ryan's I'm had a little trouble with crossover. People seem to be a little resistant to buy trainers than teachers you know check out if I say teachers trainers checkout their people their audience changes but anyway by all means chuck it out. It's it's a component of a of what's in about Australian and a little bit of what's in teach their lives. It's because both of them are brain adding talk about how the brain's wired what's what brain likes right and what are the impacts of trauma already because we have structural brain changes that happened in trauma so so all of those kinds of things but so those are the best places to find me on my email is. Leah earlier H at with hyphen respect dot com okay very cool. I generally turn things around in three business. Days tops antastic so anything else that you wanted to touch on before we and I think that the recognition one of the interesting things when I do trainings. What did the particularly around diversity inclusion is that we talk about everything that we need that needs to happen in the world starts with me and when I started asking questions of of what can I do to make that person? What can I do to help that person. The first thing I have to do is pull that on the inside and check to see what I've got for me because until I got it. I can't give it right. it's part of what we have around empathy compassion and respect if I don't have it for me again for anybody else and so I encourage everyone to start back personal self check because that's where changing the road starts and in that's where impacting at our highest good at our highest sow starts so that would be my biggest thing that and ask questions don't tell people things yes yes so care is just so crucial and like you talked about earlier about burn out and get these teachers and staff and to utilize that self care yeah and mindfulness and I loved what you said. Just go back for a second. What you the modeling example you gave of a teacher standing before their students and saying you know what? I'm feeling a little overwhelmed. I need five minutes and it just gives you have kids permission that. Oh okay so. It's okay to do that and cute story. How am I have one teacher. Who Does all she does? That would be quote. Unquote difference on that you would notice in the classroom is she starts her day with fourth graders in an inner intercity school with mindfulness and they talk about finding their center they do their breathing and they own relaxed and so this one little guys out on the playground and he's watching watching this event with with a junior high kids and they're starting to escalate and he walks over to the one on a bigger kid tugs on his sleeve and says you know this would be a good time for you to find your center so I so when we starting at amount those tools they use them. Yes obligate. They use them and that's the cool thing right. It's not just throwing it into into the abyss yeah yeah well. Kids are so awesome I. I love him very cool all right well. It's been an absolute pleasure to have you here with me today and I learned a lot. The totally enjoyed it. Thank you so much opportunity. I look forward to more conversation. Yes absolutely it's just it's been wonderful Sadhu. I'm GonNa do a little close out everyone. Thank you for joining us today on the black cats and until next time remember be gentle with yourself. Thanks

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Art, Vulnerability, and Saggy Balloons: An Interview with Alia Bird

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Art, Vulnerability, and Saggy Balloons: An Interview with Alia Bird

"Maybe he's just going state to state a travel thing. He doesn't have to think about what he's going to get you know he's always going to be penis period. Hi Welcome to our Gab. Kendra this is Ashley in is and how was your weekend meeting fun. I worked today's like my Saturday and I have been enjoying it. I just did like how stuff all day today. which which is important? Because they didn't get to do it all week. So because like war plans every possum plans get judicious. Thanks man very cool title. We went to the grotto last night. It was really really fun. I took my senior pictures. They're in high school. That's good place for it. Yeah it's beautiful. Yeah Christmas lies and who is sledding. Yesterday was really cool. It actually. Aw Yeah took the kids down your kids. I have one kid but some friends so yeah. It's pretty cool. I want to go to the snow next weekend. Go Tubing can we finally find good spots there and you don't have to pay a lot it's kind of Um Yeah we went to the Mount Hood Burry Brew Perwin. Berber get warmed up up guys brought Bro. Yes check it out. Okay pretty good. So so Ashley yes today. We have a Leah Hoffman. Busy Tattoo artist illustrator mother and social worker. Her unique style incorporates natural elements and animals in chanting way she holds a BFA in fine arts in his currently resides in her hometown of Portland Oregon. She also enjoys growing food and medicine tending to honeybees and tromping around in the woods. Her work can be seen. I'm happy camper DOT COM and aaliyah bird dot COM Elliot Hoffman. Welcome to Art Gab. Nee thanks well that was nice. I also add that instagram with none of those names But my instagram handle is Halloween. Underscore twice parade lace. Thanks laughed at that. Yeah a lot of your tattoo work That's where it's always updated and I try to every day so there's usually had to everyday. Okay so do you want to describe who you are and what you do and what you processes like sure. Yes milady in Portland who makes Our ally and the MOM I have two dogs and I I guess I still consider myself a social worker but I. I haven't been in the group home fields in about a year. I left that once. Tattooing really took over I mean you have to be one forever because I was a social worker for about fourteen years so think about that a lot. So and I'm I'm sure it'll draw me back some day but right now it's like pretty much just artan tattooing mothering One else about me. I was born in Portland so be here forever When neighborhood did you grow up southeast Do you know I've been framed named on foster. Yeah I went there in high school i. I lived within walking distance of their. So dump places like really familiar to me. Have have you been there. Ashley I've driven by a lot is it the framing or is there are supplies to a place. Yeah Yeah it's also like discounted art supplies used stuff put like side walk sale things every once in a while. That's very random like here's a whole school of macram yarn and some empty frames that you should have and some tempera paint and it's all very cheap. Renewing awesome needed this MHM these tiny bottles with cork onto what I need. Yeah I got a bunch of plaster turtles there once. Yeah last year. Turtle Elsa cool racers and stickers to the handmaid's sketchbooks. Yeah ought to check out. I love that place sounds cool. I was good plug take joining pipe cleaners to like this big great. Yeah and glitter. There's litter there. We're have enough glitter. I'm I'm sure I was thinking when you're talking about your social work. I'm sure a lot of that has prepared you in like kind of a lot of things going into the Tattoo world with working with people on definitely. Yeah and we didn't expect really actually and I think it does carry over to doing because when people are getting tattooed there's a very obviously vulnerable place. I've probably just shaved their body and wipe them down soap and they take off their clothes and then lay there so people do tell me a lot of things. Why Change We talk about Pu Been Motherhood Head in relationships and our past and our parents and so I think in a way it's kind of Nice to have that like listening listening mindset and caregiving mindset where I have to sort of being to identify on like what do people need for me right now? because they know some artists who are doing just like put on headphones and play music and then just deserved zoned out from the client but if people need like a good conversation because they need a distraction than I wanna be there for them for that or they want me to shut up and just tattoo them. I'm there for that too. So it's it's a definitely a lot of intuitive listening and body language reading for people. Yeah sounds like like like hair to actually like you have to do that too. I'm sure you have some clients that really WanNa talk and others just want to be chill out and and didn't even know kind of wear. Fill them out Save another 'cause they're like self care time too so however they want to spend that time as miss their choice. You're just kind of there to facilitate it. Yeah exactly So what is your personal like aesthetic like I think Very very nature like lots of animals. I mean if I could just tattoo birds and mammals. Camel's forever die happy old woman nature-based bugs florals I mean I don't try to really don't do any lake nature scenes but individual elements of nature the definitely focused on And and I like to stick with a very illustrative approach to so a lot of like cross hatching and Not Like Soft Fuzzy Gray gracious like you find in tattoos but creating tones through line work still trying to make it look like either drawing or a rough sketch he. That's a tattoo. I've noticed that the ones I've seen of yours. There's not a lot of colors spoke. Yeah can why Yeah and that sort of started even before I was tattooing never never really focused on color very much so bringing that in has been a little bit of a challenge. 'cause I just don't were historically work with it very much so I was just feel like it's an add on that's not really necessary but for certain tattoos it's completely necessary like if you have to identify specific bird or berry I think. How do you distinguish between blackberry and salmon? Berry you have to book color on it. So I'm like reluctantly embracing color caller. We work yeah but I do try to keep it very minimal so that you can focus on the lines. Yeah Yeah it seems like you do Duga job of having your own personal aesthetic but also I responded to your clients want Yeah and I'm really fortunate that people bowl come to me knowing what I do and they really love what they're seeing already and they just they have their idea and they're totally trusting me to you. Mike put my spin on it for them. which is amazing? Yes really mazing. Yeah and I and I also also get kind of weird like sometimes I'll take bunny rabbit and I'll piece it out into different body parts and then connect them all with pretty things like ribbons and flowers hours and gory. But it's definitely strange and some people are even down for that. They're like really love. How you pull those animals apart can you you? Can you just do an hour like yes yes I can. That's great. Yeah strangest request. You've had mm was when I was in touch school. We were On the nowhere on eighty second avenue which has a whole variety of individuals walking on the street And this one lady came in with her mom and they wanted matching tattoos and they showed me this printout from the Internet that was like a a vector image of a man peanut peanut man and he's very cartoon like and they say we want we eat want this but we really want him to look like he's stoned so they wanted me to draw like a spliff. I don't know I don't smoke. Wanted I mean is red. And he's like smoking and they each wanted that like on their forms. The stones peanut man the stone and then there's probably the weirdest one so also asked me to put Shrek ears under their elbows. One time I don't know if that's the plant or the actual character but I said no note that one you Ashley or do you not want a recorded now. I want to still idea. I'm like I'm sure you don't wake up in the morning. You're like oh I'm GonNa do opinion man that stone. Yeah I've kind of fun though Eh. Well I've learned like that's the another challenge with tattooing his. I'm very much a people pleaser and very much like yes. I'll do everything for everybody even even if I don't have time but I've learned to say no projects which is really hard But I usually direct people to someone else. Who can I think could do it? So I'm not in total disappointment but I've had to learn to like disappoint people because I totally understand that. I starting off inherits I could do it vicious and then not charging enough Then finally like you learn to the process like I definitely okay. That's not me thing. So I'M GONNA Brutally honest and say go to this person And he start to really learn what you like. What you're good at what you won't deal with I guess Does he similar. I guess because you're actually helping people by setting off in a direction and that they'll find a person who can who loves to do that thing and that person's inherently just going to do a better job so you're it's a win win for everybody and and then you have openings in your schedule to do the jobs that you love doing in you'll also inherently do a better job so it's also like Professional Karma to Tattoo. The two artists might come across someone you know wants you as their tattoo artists totally. Yeah yeah someone went to another tattoo artist and said I really want a hummingbird and three different pieces and that artists only does like traditional skulls and snakes. I'm hoping that they would send that person to me. Knowing knowing that I can nail Nice acted hummingbird. Yeah totally. Yeah one just say no is something that I feel like. I personally like. That's something I've been struggling with. uh-huh do more of I mean. Yeah I say yes to so many volunteer things free thing. I just love helping people but yeah we don't have of enough time and then you're just waking up every day some days you're stoked and some days you're like oh I say yes to this and you're committed you don't not really want to do the day and you WanNa try to come up with an excuse and we just don't need to be spending our tastes like that need to be doing our best every day. Yeah Yeah but that brings up. Another point too is like there's hairdressers on every corner. There's Tattoo Artists Air. But I think what people don't understand is like there are niches is an each one of those places like Like a certain style. I like a certain style like as a consumer telling kind of investigate what works best for you. There are a lot of them but that doesn't mean they're all the same Something to think about. Yeah it just takes a little bit of research and the Internet. That is very good at giving you all your options. Yeah yeah absolutely. That's actually a good segue to the next question What is the most challenging thing thing about doing tattoos well saying no is one And that was just kind of my own personal growth So there's a lot of like physical the goal challenges and also like personal growth challenges to Another personal growth challenges Being sort of an introvert art having a hard time meeting New People and having to meet a new person every day. And you never know what to expect. he could be really shy. They can be really really excited. They can be all kinds of things you have to sort of like prepare yourself for any type of person because it's about to get real intimate so it. It was hard. Sometimes I find myself just like wishing that move cancel like five minutes for they're supposed to be there and then I have no no. We'll be dumb if everyone canceled. I he would be out of business so I have to Kinda like come up with like strategies to like pick myself up and be ready to meet somebody in five minutes into it. I'm like I'm so dumb like this person's great for having a great time. I don't know why I was worried. So that's it's getting better but that's a hard part just just dealing with like literally every type of person And then just the transition from the tools of drying uh-huh and the the surface draw on into the tattooing processes really challenging like going from a flat piece of paper that you can just flip around as you need it it to a person not flat and squishy and you have to travel all around them to find that perfect angle. Yeah This they move. Sometimes they move yeah and to learn how to like you have to learn what part of which parts of the body are more twitchy than others like a leg for instance is guaranteed to just twitch in you have to prepare for just like automatically like without the person knowing is And pretty much. Yeah Yeah and people are usually very apologetic and I make this fine like almost every calf does this. Yeah what's the lease twitchy Question probably you'd like the shoulder area. Upper area probably the least twitchy man. That's pretty easy Yeah and there's just a lot more to going into. There's a lot more into the have to Islam effort. The you have to put into making a simple line. Look good so if you're drawing it's just a matter of picking up a pen and dragging across paper but if it's a machine that's buzzing zing and there's cords attached and inks spilling are everywhere you actually have to like stretch skin just perfectly May Have to go certain pace here. Neal's out INC at some point so there's just a lot more that you have to be aware of when you're just doing something simple like making a line and that was really frustrating at first. Because I knew I was very good at making lines with pens in. That's a process that I really love you. Know like focusing on the Nixon Nixon thins of lines and then delayed have to retrain yourself how to just draw. A line was challenge for an artist. I never the thought of like a new. Like stretching the skin and everything but like me were have thought about like how you're drying on a piece of paper you could turn it around every different angle Never a cross my mind. That like person is one position usually After like yeah weird ways I just saw a picture of myself. Someone and took a picture of me while I was touching them and I almost like I had scoliosis like my back was my arm was like going into my belly. Lakes were spread. It was a really awkward looking position and I was like no matter. No wonder my backers everything. I'm sitting job. Job is very physical. Yeah it's weird because at the end of the day your back hurts and you're tired you WANNA sit but you've been sitting all day so you you have to figure out ways to relax without doing the thing you've been doing literally all day. Yeah Yeah it's taxing to never something I would think about about really. Yeah me neither till I started. We can't ever know like this. It's like the most challenging art form I've ever ever experienced because of its unpredictability and the things that you've just never thought about your permanent and so you also run the risk. I think yeah did then you you have to deal with the client that might not be happy I know that's pressure is what makes that's like the the Cherry on top of everything that permanence it is just terrifying talks to you. Yeah Yeah Yeah I'd say those I mean there's a a lot of challenges and they're all sort of equal level and I'm learning them all sort of at the same time but it's everything does get easier over time but with tattooing it just feels like the processes so slow like A. I'll get on instagram and I'll look at someone who I admire and then I'll scroll all the way down to the very first few tattoos. Mike ah-ha okay. They were garbage to when they started. And then I'll scroll up and start to see how long it took them to start producing really nice twos and it's it's usually a couple years before you can see that confidence so it's just a slow learning curve that would is not be so hard on yourself as senior. They're pretty wonderful. Yeah thank you. Well it's all imposter syndrome stuff too when you're staring at for so long Doesn't help yeah and on such a close level and QC every single detail. I have to sort of remind myself to pause this and step back and see it and entirety actually does help a lot so like whoa. No back here looks great. No one's going to be able to look at their Thi- I from like an inch away and see what I'm saying so long as it looks good from a ways away then. Yeah yeah so what. What role does the artists have in society? Oh man to artists and say oh. Yeah Yeah I know ah that that really has a lot to do with like what kind of artists are talking about like the difference between a tattoo artist and a musician is huge or like a mural list list or an actor like those are all they all have different roles I was in general artists. Probably just need to make the world interesting to look at and make people see things in different perspectives. Probably the most important for me me in regards to an artist in general tattoo artists. I would say have kind of the unique. I don't know the unique position of fulfilling whatever role people need so if someone is an art collector then their favorite way to collect art might just be putting them on their bodies permanently so I like this walking museum. I that's really cool People also like to collect things so you can use tattoos as a collection There apparently is the guy who only gets penises tattooed on him. How you're in town while my coworker did Tattoo on him so he might be in town interesting He's looking for different artists. Artists take on a peanut peanuts. Yeah he wants tattooed on and there's people who like just specifically want like one thing tattooed and so it's like a collection And then there's people who want tattoos for like huge meaningful meaningful symbolism on that more like they need to remember a family member WHO's no longer with them or a lot of times it's grandparents linked people. We'll remember their grandparents because they fed hummingbirds and so they as a kid would see all these hummingbirds and then that is like the emblem of their grandparents parents so they wanna look that be reminded of that person those special which also tattoos really help people will embrace their bodies which is really cool again. A lot of people who are like. I don't really love my body to be honest but when I look in the mirror and I see a tattoo kind patrick's my mind into thinking that I've my body is good. It gives them ownership over body. We don't really have a lot of control over our bodies like they. They get sick the age they sag spots on them. But and that's all out of your control even if you put like lotions and serums on them but putting tattoos like you making a choice for your body then. A few years ago I heard about I saw that on facebook of woman that Had A vasectomy is at this press rape victim mastectomy. Masic me yeah. Oh Oh pat. Best thing to me is little down. Sesame lasts all women can recommend depending on how they identify defy so you can take all that out. Christopher start over. Yeah so that reminds me a few years ago I saw on facebook the woman that had the mastectomy and then she had tattoos covering the scar is really yeah I oh I think facebook might have taken it down. Oh we're controversy. Yeah I think that's really beautiful to kind of champion and highlight this Yeah Yeah be ashamed of them Yeah and there's ways to like integrate scars with tattooed designed to. There's really clever ones on the Internet. If you could go that like scar scar tattoo design this really funny ones and good ones. Yeah I like that too Kind of yeah. It's interesting to think of like it. Gives people a way that as their decision to their body Do do a lot of scarf covers. I've done a fair amount. Yeah and mainly not not surgical scars. But I do self-harm scars which is something a again before tattooing I would have never imagined doing And that's always really powerful because the person will try to go not just cover up the scars but to really tattoo who all around them so that they don't feel like that's an area that they can touch ever again because it would ruin their beautiful tattoo and home and not give the feels. He'll just be a part of of that process. which is you know very personal and laden with all kinds of trauma history and still be a part of someone's journey like that is very special? Yeah it's really crazy I I. Yeah that's those are the moments that I'm like. How is this my life and how is this my job? That's really great. That's really cool. Yeah that kind of brings you to this question is like do. Do you think that all people have meaning to the tattoos they want done penis guy maybe wants to the. Yeah and that's the cool thing about tattoos is throughout Tattoo history. Coming even even mummies that have tattoos on them. We'll have obvious symbols that are you know important to that culture but there's also tattoos other that scientists are kind of like. Yeah I think that's just a doodle. That's anything on a mummy. Yeah so I think humans have just been like noodle in on themselves forever and tattoos or cool because that doodle stays there. So that's what I love about. Tattooing his it it can hand be huge with meaning or it can just be a thing you like you know or just silly thing you wanna put on your body or the adrenaline riddling is attached. Yeah right what's the biggest tattoo you've done I think it was so well like surface-wise did tattoo like a ladies back from her top shoulder down to her lower hip the other side and it was just A bunch of feathers weather's SORTA cascading down her back and then but that's like spread out so as probably the big biggest surface area and then some people you know we're working on projects that are like already a year old and they just come in and we just add to it when guys is gotten lots of tattoos for me and so this is whole arm is tattooed. We're doing like an ACACIA branch. All of his arm but then he's also had like a ripped ripped to in a belly tattoo so like he's gotten quite a bit of surface area drawn from me is their your favorite spot. You like to Tattoo at least favorite. Yes so yeah I think my favorite spot despite potential twitching is the top of the thigh skin. Skin on top of the guy is just kind of perfect. It's hard to describe link what you want the skin to do. You want it to be very firm and stretched. It's like if you tried to poke of full blown balloon. We really easy to penetrate that skin and the latex but if it's like half full you know you're trying to get a needle in there. It's going to kind of get in there like a trampoline is going to take a more effort certain parts of the body sort of emulate that balloon fullness. I guess and that's a good thing you don't. Yeah half filled bulletin. No yeah and there's just parts it doesn't matter what size you are. We'll have half full balloon parts. You know the name of this full no balloon parts so like our vice up. You know. It's so everyone's gotTa Gigli biceps because that part is full muscle and when you're not using it it's just flabby are parts that are. They'll have heavy rotation there's a lot of skin there you have to really push that skin around For some reason like the torso rib area is just a challenge and it doesn't make any sense because it's still firm and it's not totally totally squishy but it's just a different kind of skin which I don't know how to describe but I've learned I've learned to do that because a lot of people want tattoos on their ribs. I don't know why but it's a really popular spot right now. What I'm going to go backwards? I liked what you said about the history of of Tattoos News. Is that something that you learned about in tattoos school or is that something. You've just in your own. Curiosity came. Yeah Tattoo School. Surprisingly didn't didn't teach me very much As a whole other story but I yeah I've just been that's been stuff I've just looked at on my own and I never have time to read. So I don't can't. I have books about tattoos throughout history and I haven't read them so I kind of rely on like instagram program and little bits of information like vice videos that we both went to school. Yeah wouldn't have been cool if they went over that. Yeah yeah outside of Yeah right yeah. It's a it's a part of our history for sure. Definitely I just heard a episode on on stuff. You should know another podcast about a guy. They found in the mountains that was frozen like the oldest mummy or something and tattoos on him. Yeah Yeah it's all also task is all over the world to I saw a national geographic with the image of a mummy woman from Peru. She had tattoos. It's all over her body to yeah. I love that so much. Yeah I think it's my turn to ask a question So if you if you could have a superpower what would it be and why the most important question Hon. My answer is like similar to most everybody's he's he's busy in life like. I really wish that I just tack on extra time to my days. That would be so amazing or if I could just you know someone comes in for a two hour touch appointment. I'm like well you know we're not quite done so I'm just GonNa stop everything except for us and we'll just add another the three hours time and then when you're done we will life will be as it was when you first came in. I would like to do that for sure. I never feel like I have enough time in the day to do all the things and sleep and eat. Yeah and relax especially especially in the winter like yeah. The days seem so short And I feel that Oh are especially in the winter. Yeah I feel like we're being bamboozled by time all the time. But we can't bamboozle time like we. We can't turn it around. They can take that. I did more in shorter amount of time. Like I edano. Yeah that's probably the closest I mean other than that. Be Really Cool to fly but yeah I think we're not in younger. I tried to go without sleep but Well no go and is not good for you. Either in flying would be read. Yeah I would like that a lot Ashley you have a new one mode. You're superhero power. Be I I like the flying thing and definitely like specially hitting me a lot is how much time in a day for sure I always I always feel that more in the winter under just because it gets dark. So early What is your dream? Project I would love was as well tattooing wise I can't wait until someone is like. You have my entire back of my body but just just use a whole back hole but all the way down the legs. Someone's like this is all yours and it's just put one big thing hang on somebody. That would be amazing. Would take an entire year but I love. I love thinking about like you know checking with a win. They come back in your like. How's your life been stripped down and let's talk about it Because it's just so much fun to design stuff for people's bodies and something large-scale scale be Super Fun and be if people come back and I know them then I don't have to deal with the scared part of meeting a new person so I'll that's like dream project there But beyond tattooing I definitely someday WanNa get into doing Merrill's us that's on my bucket list and and then I also WanNa start going back to the time thing. They don't make art for myself hardly anymore. ANYM- I'm like ever so it'd be great to also have a little studio to make art whether it's at my house or somewhere else is but I really miss. Ed just missed drawing and painting a lot so I would like to make more art for people tip by not on their bodies. Yeah Yeah do you WanNa talk about Darlene press at all or you could. Yeah 'cause we have have really focused on the tattoos but you do rations and your mom Will you were a lot of hats. Yeah Yeah for sure. And it's it's funny 'cause darling press was so awesome. It's sort of like when you have a good book series in the first book is like man that was good. I can't I'm so glad that I've done with x Nagy. The second book like doing press was like my first chapter or my like you know first book of all the things so like so much of that book bleeds over into what I'm currently reading. We're going to speak motive weekly. So Oh it's it also taught me that sometimes when something isn't working in your life it's a good idea to end it and that doesn't mean that you're failing it means that you're opening up your possibilities to something way better even if you don't know what those are so like pushing AH project that's just failing or you just can't figure out why it's just not even bringing joy like that to me is like failure in the hardest artis the hardest sense so starting that business running for nine years meeting all the people learning all the things learning learning how to lake invoice people and creating systems for jobs All that sites such valuable information that is directly influencing -fluenced my business now so that's that's like the most important thing to manage. Why don't like I guess quote unquote regret? Having being a business that I shut down MEA was a hard choice to shut it down bedroom so glad I did and I think that kind of sums up that that whole chapter of my life I I also don't love printing. Hey sometimes you also have to learn a new. You think to learn that you don't like it I tried illustrating children's books at one point and as soon as I did one I was like never again. Don't like this at all so I learned making seems like the opposite of tattoos in a way. Yeah yeah making multiples something to exist in the world whereas is one of a kind. Yeah Yeah it is pretty much the opposite they both take a Lotta process though Radcliffe big similarity I guess maybe reprinting insomnia learn that. Something's take a process as I'm kind of impatient sometime so processes another hard thing for me. Yeah yeah. I don't think he'll get back into print making that I. I can see if that part's done in my life too but a it's definitely like made me want to own a business again in the future so that will happen to yeah. I think that's a a good thing to learn is like you don't have to stick with something and sometimes you learn what you really do like by trying something new Did you always WanNa do tattooing or did it Kinda just be you evolve indiscipline you like. Yeah no I actually grew up. You know in the nineties where everyone is getting like sunshine's tattooed on the lower back and stars on their shoulders. I never liked twos really at all like I never and when I would just like sit down and like all right well everyone's getting tattoo like what would I get. I could never decide on anything and just to undecisive for permanent decisions like that but throughout my life a lot of people have said like you should be a tattoo artist. WHO's like no? I am not punk rock enough. I don't listen to metal looking. Oh kick I'm not I don't like antitheses what a tattoo or is But it was so I just kind of put that like out of my mind forever But when I was closing the print shop I had There was a lady who was renting a little corner of the space and and she became a good friend of mine and she was the one who was like. Have you ever thought about being tattoo artist because I think you would kill it and and I was like yeah. I have been thinking about that recently. Because I've been watching you know. I have a friend who tattoos and watched her journey and she makes gorgeous just tattoos. That are like definitely works of art that hers and so I got to see it sort of evolved from like traditional Tattoo imagery to like people actually making an art of this I had no idea And then also sharing space with my now co worker Happy Camper used to be in the same building as darling press so. I also became friends with Tattoo artists. And he said you know if you're thinking about getting into tattooing you should go to an Asian food market. Get yourself some pigs ears and take it up into a my space and I'll set everything free and you can just you and just buzz away on the skin. That's not going to yell at you. If you screw up so says why did an The first thing tattooed was an owl and it looked really good and I said I think is what I should be doing. So I've never ever had a desire to be a tattoo tattoo artists until literally just starting school than digest made that choice and the no one for it because it also felt like a very like it could be a lucrative career and still being able to be like a true artist who myself so those things were really enticing like okay could make money and make imagery that is mine nine care about and I like so it felt if the right move when it came him up when it was brought into my life and the lady who suggested it just happened to be my very first appointment as a licensed tattoo artist also. Her Tattoo was my very first official tattoo as a licensed person which is cool which was really really cool little signs that like this is this is the way you should be doing Leah Yeah so what's next for you. I think in the future I would love to start my own. Tattoo shop I've got some ideas about that Eh. Just writing them down and sort of like low key planning That's definitely in my future. that sounds like a really fun. A fun journey not to have a private studio but I would love to actually hire other tattoo artists and get to pick and choose like our style. I guess And I think maybe if life slows down a little bit I wanna take some euro classes like I wanna think that'd be another. Are we to make semi permanent art. That's totally on my bucket list too. Yeah I've been eyeing. Yeah we should. We should attack it together. Okay I think. PNC has a mural class they do yeah and I worked with local artists. Gino Baba Ouaga his last Dat. Tae Think Anyway. He does murals in town and like kind of helped him on his projects. That's not cool although I think yeah I think it's within grassy. Yeah Le- we should totally do it. I would love to. It's definitely not like a thing you can do on in your own. I think you I think it'd be beneficial to learn from somebody like hunting. Maybe probably wouldn't go in the woods and student animal by yourself you you should go with somebody as your first trial. Yeah Yeah and then the first step is kind of intimidating to me like getting permission from I. Don't I don't know if I could get past the first really Kunin. My hands like you guys in like Ninja suit doing it and I asked her to uh-huh Black Knight from this in the daytime. You're like yeah so glad I didn't sign that. Ah Yeah Yeah well. We should reach out some days and do that. Yeah I've had a big hankering for making murals. Then I might just have a rental house right now so I can't really paint on the walls but I do wish that I could just play a big mural in my living room right now but I can't. You mentioned engined eighty second earlier I think. And we're just a block away from eighty second right now. There's so many walls that need. Yeah Yeah now part part of the car dealerships right. Yeah paint a dinosaur right done. Yes yes have you seen that guy on the Internet Ed. That is like he covers group like big graffiti signs like the the ones that aren't that great. You know. I guess more tags He does beautiful like oftentimes. It's like fruit. Usually something edible. Just kind of Improv. A strawberry overlake got Nazi sign and then people will come back and like tag his and then he'll just keep going with it you know. It's pretty lovely. Hopefully I feel like that might be where we would have to turn to if we did eighty second because we'd probably put something beautiful up and then there'd be like swastika on the next day we'd have to repaired for like Ida we fix. This could start a company that is just tag abatement. Yeah and we could just like up down eighty second going over yeah plank instead of like animals or something. Oh Yeah I would love that any the second just becomes as colorful street the parade of animals and love that well thank you so much for being here and it was really fun. Yeah Yeah this is my first podcast interview so it was very fun cool. Yeah thank thank you for having me so easily and uh

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What Would You Give Up to Get Rid of Debt (with Tamar Atamian)

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What Would You Give Up to Get Rid of Debt (with Tamar Atamian)

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your eyes so it's it's a really nice experience yeah the fact that whether it's the mountains the beach or city you've got it all so be serving in the morning and then this afternoon we'll get your feet and settled whether it be financial buying a home etc so yeah yeah I know that in southern California it's it's a very fury expensive city yeah it's it's it's one of the most expensive cities in poses challenges I think tons of opportunity right but at the same time challenges especially starting out and just kind of trying to -fornia it's it's expensive I mean there's really no other way to sugar coat it I mean probably if you live in New York maybe even Chicago San Francisco too but the I like you know no surprise that savings tough and southern California just given the high cost of living in kind of really interesting intuitively we know it's expensive to live in southern California but you know we really wanted to go out and within our communities West Com serves the so cal eye-opening financial challenges and fears if you will when it comes to home-buying when it comes to saving for retirement which was all communities here and want to get better pulse on you know what is your financial outlook on living in southern California if you're living expenses city it's just it's really hard to save money it was a really great I wouldn't say necessarily eye opening because it's just a few could do that that's the best yes and also I mean you know the realities of living in southern the heart the harder it is or the harsher the reality I guess I should say of living out here in having somewhat of a decent quality of life it's just it it's true take to southern California posing certain a situations or I could tell you some of our survey findings where yeah yeah it's posing that they're not finding an opportunity to to Tuck away four whether it's a rainy day or even a longer term savings on whether it's rent whether it's a mortgage it's just it's higher right in southern California especially if you have a dream it was calm you guys did the the survey on because obviously I think the younger you are and the less work experience may be that you've built up drag that down two things I would say so of course our high cost of living experiences in just overall surveys showed that about sixty percent of millennials said that they don't even save two hundred a month so it's kind of interesting that it's down to I think knowing what your options are an education you know as a financial institution we're committed to making sure that we partner purchase a Hawaiian so I think at the end of the day although valid concern I mean they're valid in real concerns it's it's it's it comes rickie and one thing that really came through on the survey and I would think that this would echo for almost anyone in any city but particularly what do you think I mean it's obvious that the cost of living is high and again I someone who lives almost anywhere they're probably filling that the dream of home ownership or saving for retirement it's it all starts with education and knowing what options are available to you and of homeownership and to be able to realize that it's going to be tough or you're looking at more expensive properties but also I would say a lot of specifically you know that it's tough to save money but what do you like what do you think are some like really unique aspects of living in California living looking at big city that really investment and specific investment educational seminars like social security or women investing etc but let's I think total hundred seminars go ou- on all sorts of topics whether it's home-buying whether it's how to purchase your first auto loan even it's so accessible so yeah unless unless there's traffic we don't talk about the traffic that's why I live and work in the same city and education right knowing what options are there I can tell you within our branches we host Gosh over with our members and folks in our community to to help them build a better life that's our purpose to build better lives right realizing as we're looking at the survey and finding you know here are the fears and here's what millennials in so cal are stating that you know what I don't think I'm ever going to be able to pay down I mean I'd love to like dive into the fear aspect too because I think that's something that probably a who I can relate to that and like some you know some way take for example the home-buying seminar ones is knowing what your options are right in what kind of do you qualify for a first time home buyer I in this survey result a lot of carried debt and debt and student loan debt or non mortgage debt as well committed to helping you get there what are the steps you need to take doing take a look at your debt or how how do we save on maybe some of the loans you do have so one of the things we try to promote for example how that would help with your monthly payments and what that would look like and if if your long term goal or your two to three year goal is to get there unlike me as a financial person I would probably say something that would be maybe a little bit more practical but when you hear like I give my phone or I'd give up wine that really into a fog around this time I have two options to choose from one with a lower deductible of fifteen hundred and with a high deductible of five thousand shows that like people are like very serious committed yes yeah how do you get there so for us I would say really like I've mentioned are you big fan I love when you reboot episodes because it's like I've never heard them before and I'm always like yeah that's right I should do that anyway a huge reason that I finally got my shit together and I feel what better about my money and honestly life in general I do have one question it's open enrollment time and my head always and what's smart options are available to help you get there faster so so what would you say you know the the there's that person that is that two hundred example and what would that look like for you do you know the difference between an adjustable versus a fixed rate mortgage and and that's kind of my goal so I'm glad that I achieved that in wall I would love to give you a straight up answer until you yeah choose this option all pros and no cons but it seems like healthcare these days that just doesn't happen you're looking at a bag of options saying well I hate all of these can help you save and pay off that card faster so it's knowing options like that in what you your journey to get there and then finding a partner could love your questions by the way Beth this is fantastic and I'm I'm honestly glad that I've helped in some way shape or form get your shit together and feel better about money in life title is refinancing your auto low rate I think a lot of people don't even know about refinancing a home or your student loans the stat I'm never going to be able to buy a home in southern California and maybe the reality for me is I need to move out of southern California to to be able to remember those days of having to get insurance on my own and it just was a really sad stressful process and I know there are lots of factors to think about and so if you're in the situation of bath whether you have one option of four options to choose from there are a few things that I'm just saying hey if you have an answer to this I love to know but back to your question breath so here are a couple of things I want you to think about number one I don't WanNa choose any of these and yet you have to make a choice I know when I was an entrepreneur and I'm still an entrepreneur but I'm tempted to go with a higher deductible since my premium would be lower but I post for a minute in thought what would sean I say so what would you say there are two ticket and that like totally popped out to me that I was like it's really interesting when you ask people like what are you willing to give up uh hey we'll jump back into the episode after an ask Shana in this one comes from Beth and best says hi Shawna I been listening for a few years now and I want you to think about before you make your decision and honestly I wish I could say that there's probably an option for you where there's going to be hostility some sort of end to this which God if you know how this healthcare system situation gets worked university and thankfully I have healthcare through the university which I'm so so grateful for what ext please let me know because I'm not talking to God in general although it would be really awesome if God would actually let us know that but this isn't a religious ask Shana home do you could do that on your auto loan and you know as a credit union we were competitively like making sure that we're providing a low rate so that we whether to dream or it's just that's the evolution of their life so it's so funny I'll tell you what they say is thirty one percent of said they're going to give up wine to help them dollar a month so they aren't able to carve out more savings but they they want to buy a house like that's something that they really feel you know is is one of the best best best benefits available to us like right on that tier of matching funds in 401k with our company on my entrepreneur friends will call me and say okay this keeps getting worse every year my premiums get higher the options get worse I mean they're just so one finding that stood out the most was that thirty one percent of stated that they'd give up wine in order to raise the debt so they are committed they're willing to give up some it it's a pretty awesome it's a pretty awesome savings account if you but access to it so does one of these options give you access to it do you have access to health savings account in Hsa with either of these options I'm a huge fan of a health savings account what the future would be but you can look back at historically the last few years and Kennett pretty good idea number three do you have a strong emergency fund it'd be something worth looking into number two thinking about how many times do you go to the doctor on average I know it's impossible for you to figure out breath in some other savings account so just another thing to think about but bath I hope that's giving you some direction again I would really love to tell you like pick this plan so I was really happy that I had that money available to us otherwise I would have had to go to dead or or something else you know use up some money we spent Gosh it was almost seven thousand dollars between doctors and testing in just acupuncture and all sorts of craziness a lot of medical expenses when I lost the hearing in my left ear that just came out of nowhere so between October and the end of December last year but as often in things with money there isn't a perfect right answer there is a lot of gray area and you're just trying to figure your way through it so option over another so think about that and think about maybe why that's happening number five what is the Co Insurance and Co pays on each it might impact your decision when these plans for instance if you're female are you thinking about getting pregnant next year even if you have no idea each decision each option I should say and then just go in strong with your decision again I really find that my gut is leading me towards one hope you make a good decision and again so happy that that you really feel like you've got your money and my situation together turns companies going to pay the number after the the slash line is the amount that you'll be responsible for paying so sometimes that may sway you Dan so a lot of times you'll see a plan where maybe it says like eighty twenty or seventy thirty or sixty forty the first number is the amount that the it's still a good thing to think about because that can definitely impact what plan you're getting in fact some plans even don't cover pregnancy at all heap at least half of the amount of your deductible in a high yield savings account just in case this is something I did in last year I was super happy I did that because I had could all of them even if I'm familiar with them from last year I look at like what the changes are and sure enough like my gut is really leaning towards one eight help you make your decision number four sounds really obvious but what does your gut tell you I have found that often when I'm choosing health plans is a fifty dollar copay so just something to think about number six again really impossible but anything in the foreseeable future that you think in one direction or another or maybe there might be co pays for instance if you go to the doctor maybe one plan there's a twenty five dollar co-pay versus another plan particular plan and sometimes they cost more and sometimes it doesn't and lastly I would just say going back to the emergency fund thing always remember to try and life into it and make it 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Slash blue host money to get the special offer and I like the you use the word partner because I mean if I think back on my experience when I got my first banking think we do that but I think another like really cool millennial trend is that this desire for like a sense of community and connection and having somebody there that account or even when I graduated college it was pretty much like I don't know who has the most locations like I'll just pick who that isn't I never consciously thought that a bank could like proactively help me achieve certain goals or more or less I mean you use the word partner like that would sort of blow my mind like I wouldn't think about that to have that right knowledge and I think as a Credit Union just at our mission like is is to help build butter lives that's really what we were founded on and and credit unions in general are built completely different we're non for profit organization which me is that when we do make earnings we passed that back to our members in the form of better rates for their savings account higher rates for savings being back we've got charitable foundations that today we've given over two million wow causes that you know are to us in our community so and then you know we back that up with just the member focus and community focus I mean we're out in our communities over two hundred communities give lower rates for loans lower fees etc associates a smarter way to bank so we're built on that foundation to begin with it it's truly something we live in breathe by anything credit unions are position just naturally to do that in in really do that it's not about chasing nest surly prophets right yeah I think that you know when you're seeing the whatever word you want to use evolution revolution with with the authentic and genuine who really really cares and and as an organization it's looking at it you know what are they doing to show really like that they do really it is not just like hey give us your money we're going to put it in the bank counter and make money off of you but somebody who's there like you know we'll let us help you and then it doesn't cost you anything thanks and particularly with millennials saying hey we want something different like we don't just want a bank who you know we're GonNa read in the headlines like something negative or you know being in marketing I'm going to talk about the way our brand but we are people are our brand and our team members live and breathe it and so we talked about you know having that better but you know we talk often on the show that there's this like taboo stigma around money that people don't sit around like we are right now and talk about money when you walk into our branch they know you they know who you are they they're asking how the birthday party you are at last week went because I don't remember the last time being living by that right and not just saying that so and then of course just naturally authentically and you know here and and it's it's it's things like that it's it's the commitment to members and making sure it's a better member experience to their communities in order to achieve all these also do you find that I guess I should ask you like how do you then break down some of those enough to worry all the time lower density staller what fill in the blank right that there's really this like quest for finding a place yet taboo walls like especially with younger people where maybe they know that you have all these like amazing seminars and things like that but they're still like this hesitancy to most of us look at the the banking aspect or finances as a tour to or the taboo to it but I think it's Kinda starts or your bank or even if you're not walking in logging on or chatting online or whatever it is it's it's that level of comfort that okay I have this question Oh sheaves your dreams to achieve right and so you know start shifting that mindset so that you can begin to see really great thing to say do you find you know you do these interesting surveys where of course you're finding out like all those important data so than you can in turn like serve your your customers then if you wanna ask a question work you're in available if you want to dive into it even deeper we have the workshops within our branches talk about you know your purpose and what it is you want to achieve and then naturally the finances follower okay the how choose which become nuts and bolts and and then feeling a level of comfort of with who you're speaking to right so you know it is walking to your credit union rules and new gadgets and new enhancements and so we're constantly testing and learning and testing and learning and so it's made me way more savvy and for answers to money matters or question so for example on our website we have pull back the curtain and right well kind of starts with this taboo but it's such a chore to Begin With Right with shifting the mindset of money isn't necessarily always the root of evil money is a tool money is a tool for eighty used to get to your goals too Ian recently like don't go to dinner and be like hey were you over budget last month or how much you actually saving like these aren't things that we're actually talking about and yet they're like really important ages how you behind the scenes like handle your own money so funny it does it's just because I'm so especially in the marketing team we know how what Free Financial Education Seminar and there's all sorts of modules and videos where you just start by watching a video easy entry as easy yeah awesome so are there any other big things that kind of jumped out from from the survey that you that you found yeah I'd say overall like while the higher costs with and and you know finding that partner that'll help you kind of take those little small steps and learning about you know smart decisions you can so you could do I'd honestly I would say is education and finding out finding in started just you know searching of living in so cal poses a challenge to millennials the good news is that they can take small steps and there's solutions out there and organizations like ourselves or other organizations that will truly sit down and help them educate themselves just truly where it starts make whether it's refinancing an auto loan whether it's finding a way to consolidate student loan debt or attended canal all of a sudden they've identified this need now I feel okay asking about so how do I get a lower payment on my car right and it just just starts use these tools way more than I probably would've but you know but then of course I realize the value in how much it makes my life easier so right yeah Steve how they are members and team members form a very trusting personal relationship too especially from a digital asset like I love testing on our mobile in just the convenience of it all or you know sometimes will be test Beta testing internally before we released financial seminar so options are available and it's all going to start with just the curiosity and learning piece of it yeah I love that that curiosity like just by there yeah yeah so do you have any like even personal tips on on how you would begin to shift that mindset like is there anything like practically yes so just going out there and testing our mobile apple pay product service whatever it may be a guinea pig it's it's fun and so it just makes me tell the listeners how they can find out more about West Com sure so you can learn more about West Com if you visit our website and it's west come together roles and hit big savings goals on relatively low salaries even if they live in a big city just my two cents thanks third DOT COM and there's not in Wisconsin it's W. 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M. together dot com or you can follow us on social media to on instagram where we are not the solution that gets you on that path so have you found that worke you've been here for thirteen years have you found that like working out of a credit year like financial place like even where you are today the good and the not so good and remember nothing lasts forever just keep taking small steps every day and remember how awesome you truly not underscore west com and on facebook it's at West come credit union one thing I've learned is that saving money achieving big goals paying down debt cover either of these deductible Seles say there's like an Oh my God happening and you have to go to hospital there's car accident if million dollar right house which is sort of the reality begins Los Angeles Yeah exactly exactly awesome well this has been so fantastic tomorrow I love for early Cliche and I know having more money always feels better I feel better when they have more money but the truth is I've seen so many people achieve some huge it it isn't so much a function of how much money you have but how you use what you've got just like what tomorrow is talking about and that may sound like laundry list of one hundred things or it doesn't have to be like I have to figure out how to buy a house tomorrow you know you can figure out the small progression and I think that helps with not mindset peas and helps you kind of ease into it so it isn't this right huge saying yeah undertaking right how do I go from saving two hundred dollars a month to affording a much for checking out this episode if you love what you heard heading over to itunes leave us a five star review for the podcast it's one of the best ways to show us some love and allows us I'm in in even just a chat option just chat with us it starts there and you know we'll we'll find you sponsors that make this show possible remember to subscribe in your favorite podcast player so you never miss an episode but before you leave I want to empower you to embrace I often say like just find a one like even the most minute thing you wanNA focus on or change or find an answer to it just start there. 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Layers and landscapes with Aliya Whiteley

Breaking the Glass Slipper: Women in science fiction, fantasy, and horror

42:03 min | 2 years ago

Layers and landscapes with Aliya Whiteley

"Welcome to breaking the glass slipper. I'm Lucy handsome. I'm Megan Leigh, and I'm Charlotte. Beaumont joining us tonight is Leah Whiteley an author whose work has been described as stock poetic and forthright, and it certainly not easily classified. We wanted to talk to her about how established ideas of gender can be challenged the relationship. Her books have to the natural landscape and the merits of speculative fiction. Thanks very much for coming along Lear by thank you for bit. Sure. So I'm Leah Whiteley. And I write stuff. Like, you said, no, very classifiable stuff. But I've been I've been writing for ages. I've written in lots of different genres around a bit of nonfiction for places as well. I just really like writing. So I do a lot of that. Okay. We'll we'll jump right in. Because as you just mentioned, you write novels and novellas and short pieces, you've got quite a range of different styles. So what when you when you're coming up with a Booker Novello or so story, what do you feel like you conceive? I do the characters come before the theme of the story because you're female, quite I feel like that quite strong, and they they come through quite strongly. Do you feel like you start with you have something to say or do you have the characters stole into your head now? And I think it's it's definitely the characters. And it's it's more specific than that. It's it's about the voice. So I usually just sit down and start writing. I do my first drafts in longhand and just wait for voice to come along. That absolutely captures me. And that I just want to know everything about that journey. So nothing's really. Land. It's very just sort of organic to start with the theme kinda grows from the voice. So it's not. Yeah. I know that it would seem very theme driven. But I don't tend to think about theme as I'm writing. I would say I'd say it's all about the voice and being true to that voice in kind of trying to find what what kind of journey there on excellent. And so we've noticed the when I was reading the beauty Verizon. Layers and landscapes in particular seem to be recurring themes in your work what exists beneath and between the every day accepted. In the glanced over did you consciously set out to kind of peel back these cultural layers or does this happen naturally? In course, if your storytelling, I think that's just part of the to do with the stories that I really love to read, and I've always loved stories with layers. So I think when I came to start writing that's just something that was always always going to be there where you're kind of unpeeled ING levels of character and levels of event to to get a sense of what's really happening underneath. I was always really fascinated with books and stories that do that. So it's not something that was consciously planning to put into my writing. But it. Yeah. Absolutely. It's it's there it just seems to be something that I'm I'm fascinated with. And so it works its way into things, I think. You talk about how how you kind of come across your themes and putting these kind of wider concepts almost like very naturally. But is that something that you then have to work at really when you sort of going over during the second draft you have to. Shape them or is like. Does sort of come to you fully formed, and if you say that it comes fully formed. I'm very jealous. I wouldn't say that it comes fully formed. But it's I I don't want to put like a handle on or a label on anything. I do. So I like different elements to things like you say with layers layers latest themes as well. So quite often, I have sort of questions that I'm asking myself on on a different subject once it becomes clear that the voice is kind of dealing with those sort of areas, and then I just try and work in as many different questions. The I feel I don't have answers to into into those topics and that kind of produces delay a defect. Over time. But yeah, I mean, there's a first draft and then the second draft is typing up and putting it onto the computer. And at that point. I may decide that it needs like with the book of just written. There was an entire sections just present tense. And then you decide that it needs a past tense running through it to really bring out the kind of themes and questions that you want to talk about it. So I guess it's it's Larry approach that happens in the second edit, hopefully, picking up on subconscious ideas that have been sort of flying around in the in the first draft. Yeah, I'm really rubbish picking apart. How how it works, and I'd be reluctant to totally pick it apart. Because that I'd I'd feel like I don't know if it's going to get up and run around and clock anymore. If you know what I mean? You know, it's a chicken it's gonna keep moving company. I just cooled my work at chicken. Yeah. That's the best metaphor. I think we've ever heard on here. Thank you. But you know, he fiddle if it'll about with the chicken too much, then it's not cooking anymore, laying eggs is it. So give it space Luebbe feed. Yeah. Move on move on. So I mean as well as your other works like loosening skin, you've got a story in the coming onto legiti this dreaming, I'll which collection of British doc fancy folktales, some of your work feels really quite British with a very strong sense of place at just the valley of rocks and the beauty the village in the arrival of the missus. Yeah. Is this a case of right? What you know? Or have you made a decision to Rick's blow things linked with Bush against I think it's more than I'm exploring things to do in my identity because quite often they're just places that I've lived. So the story in the streaming. I'll is a village in Lincolnshire that I lived for while. They just tends to be a lot of my work set in Devon because I did grow up there. And I feel like it belongs to me. So I'm alive to right to buy whatever. Whatever I don't feel actually that I belong to it. I feel quite specifically that it belongs to me. Which is interesting. I think like two version of it that I've created through writing about it belongs to me, maybe people feel that when they create these kind of fantasy universes that's all their territory. I don't I don't feel that the deaf. And I write betas accurately Devon in a way, it's feel like it's quite a lot of my own imagination. I think lot of writers feel that. And certainly, that's the way I feel about the ocean. When I'm right by it. Sure. And anything I've set that because I've grown up, and you just you pick up on the nuances of a place and places and settings novels can be just as important characters in creating interactions and. Atmosphere and things like that. So I think you're right. I think everybody experiences a place differently. But it can definitely come through when you're writing when you've really, you know, live in a place an unsealed a little bit, maybe other people. Don't see. Yes. Absolutely. And I feel like almost drawn to these places where I've lived to explore my experience of them more than to try and accurately record anything to do with them. I seem to set work it places where I've lived or it's in space. I mean, there's no in between this kind of you know, I I really trying hard to kind of explore places that I haven't I haven't lived at the moment to stretch myself a bit in that regard. But certainly I find myself continually drawbacks to Devon. Because of my my constant recreation of it like you re create your own passed over and over again, which is an idea that I really wanted to explore with the loosening skin. So yeah, it's kind of this way that you re imagine what's gone before by journey. Onwards, and because they live in Devon anymore. Every time I revisited go go by dying there, or whatever it seems to become a slightly different place again. So I was interested in those ideas. But I don't have a strong sense of collective identity or like a truth to a place at all. Yeah. That doesn't that doesn't really feature for me. Getting kind of Allen gonna vibes here because I'm just a big Allen Ghana fan and grew up reading the the Winstone of. Yeah. Go wrath those. Yeah. Musty books in the owls of it? And he's another author who place and landscape is so integral to his work. And it just takes on this other worldly quality and also a really earth equality at the same time that whole. Is exactly what I love about Garner's work this. Yeah. Manages just incorporate these kind of the so grounded in the the landscapes he talks about all they hold similar history. And the history is not always human. But yeah, you know, it goes back. You have this feeling of kind of great ancient nece. Yes. Bit leah. Yeah. And humans, you know, than than not the integral thing that the not the not the key feature of the landscape, and I'm certainly drawn to that idea. I think I remember reading Alan garner at school into just I think that just sort of sinks in deep when you get into the young age. And yeah, it would send me say that's an influence if you have a really strong sense of place, then let me you really attracted folktales because they have a really strong since the place on satiate with local legends. And yes. Yeah. In fact, I have a really old kind of beaten up book, which is a Devon folk tales, and my favorite is the Harry hands. It become across the Harry, Hans legend I have. But telling you vision of it. Oh, good. So the idea is that if you'll on the bike coming back late at night from the pub and suddenly the bike over balances. It would be because this ghostly pair of Harry hands grabbed your what's it called? I'm sorry. Thank you. Yes. Chill handlebars stage, you off into a ditch is absolutely nothing to do with the alcohol level, or it's absolutely the curse of the Harry hams can grab steering wheels and grab handlebars and steer people off the road dangerously. I love that story. Yeah. I don't know. Why that's particularly Devon does it appear anywhere else around the country. Well, there were various versions of the Harry Hines and try to remember all the different variations because they will say similar tend to urge into one. But I mean. Yeah. Harry, Hines it crossroads or I remember those one where they came through a ceiling and things that lasts. And really. Yeah. I find an Email it to you. But yeah, I'd love to say. I love that story. It's just I love it. You know, it kind of goes from there. Terrible very variations of it where people dying crashes and things because of the Harry Hines, but there's also the guy coming back from the pup on his bike who just blames the Harry hands for falling off his bike. So I like, it's got breadth isn't it it has lots of different ways. They're very Harry hells. Yeah. Yeah. I like that about it photo. Okay. So moving onto like something we love to talk about on this podcast for obvious reasons, but so women and female characters and addressing gender issues. So in the beauty you picked well without women, and yet, no you reverse some of these status gender roles and was also where the inspiration came from. But also, I found that quite interesting in that a lot of the kind of similar narratives that I'm reading at the moment where they kind of comment on gender. They tend to focus on the female. So, you know, things like the Paulo, whereas the focus is very much on the women characters. So it's interesting that you wanted to address this kind of inequality of the genders, but by removing women from the picture, so I just wanted to to hear a little bit. But. Yeah. The the very first kind of steps towards that story. I got the voice of Nathan, the narrator, and I really didn't know a lot about where that story was going to go, and then it became clear he was kinda living in this community at I had men and women in it. And then an alien kind of presence came into the community and that. I realized I was trying to write something that explored power structures. And I really wanted to take a group of people who had power and take it away from them in a ways that the Rita could go on that journey with them. So quite often, I think it's difficult to empathize. If you're in a situation of power difficult to emphasize with people who don't have it is very easy to say. Well, why didn't you just do this or do that all you know, like like you have options, but the truth is that quite often these options on available to people in it's difficult to understand that. So I wanted to set up a situation where the power was taken away from group and the reader when with them on that that journey. I don't really remember. What point it became about? Just being a community of men certainly the idea was about leaving a hole in the narrative and seeing what fills it. So that's something I explored again with the loosening skin the new book where I what I did with that book is make love like a concept that Seoul it because I wanted to explore the reverse of that the fact that we live in a world where love is not solid, and we can't. Touch. It will be sure if we're in it, or you know, it moves free, and it's all sorts of different ephemeral things and and power in relation to gender. I think is is quite often. Like that in a sense that it's difficult to find. But you know, that you have it. So I think yeah, this is a really long winded way of saying that I don't really know where the inspiration came from. So. Yeah. Really, it was a very amorphous story, and it came out of all sorts of places. And then once I had the idea that the weren't women in this community. But I was exploring the idea of the whole that was left if you took women out of society, then I just really wanted to run with it pushed that idea as far as I possibly could. So every time I thought to myself, I couldn't I couldn't do that. That's really horrible. Then I then I decided to set and do it. Because I really didn't think it was a story that could be published. I wasn't looking. I wasn't thinking in Commercial Times at all. I just wanted to write it. So yeah, I just absolutely won't went free with that idea with. I when I bind juries, and that's that's what happened. It's a really remarkable book. Thank you. It's fantastic. In any of all listeners haven't read it beauty is really want pick up a very unusual on you'll put by pharmacy. You will never look at mushrooms in the same way. Again, I do feel bad by play off this generation of people mushrooms. I really liked ribs. Don't. Yeah. Don't hold it against dreams. I had some mushrooms blunt yesterday was thinking about it. And I was like I'm not going to stop because these are dishes. I'm okay. The Terry's hold mushrooms. But when you write whoa keg, and you see a wig mushroom now. You're kind of like, ooh. And if I see yellow ones, I have to take photos of them, which is a bit strange is just the yellow nurse, isn't it? It's the I know. Yeah. Actually thought that word. I mean, you didn't think that the word yellow could be so. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know why the yellow, but it's really upsetting on some level. I was getting Simpson's vibe say this yellow. Ooh, that's a horrible idea at the like, John D should be an animated version sort of Simpson esque mushroom creations are. Yeah. And we're not sorry. Sorry, everybody that we're not sending it to you. But we hope that we all selling it to you genuinely it is one of the most unusual stories I've ever come across and. He was saying a few minutes ago about you know. Oh, no, I call possibly do that. No. No, no. I can't do that. Do you know what I'm going to do that it? Yes. There are lots of moments in that book where you're like. Oh, my God that. Yeah. It's really good to go. It was daring myself to kinda go just pushed the idea as far as as you possibly can and say see where it ends up. So and I loved I loved writing it was an incredibly freeing thing to write the could just because you're doing that kinda just throwing everything out the window and thinking, I'm just gonna go wherever this leads. So I'm really enjoyed writing. It I suppose that's the nature of speculative fiction. Isn't it? You just going to throw the stop list loads, and and cut of methods out window and say, I'm gonna just go where this idea is taking me. And then, you know, this is sometimes it leads us to glorious and unexplored kingdoms. Yes. Another times, you just have a drawer full of phase is the truth. The by it works both ways, you know, for every idea that turns out, well, there's another idea where I've just gone, not a LA. But just put that in a draw. But that's that's great. You know, I just love the freedom of kind of exploring the ideas and nip between genre as well because I love genre. But I love the freedom to kind of pick a bit from one and a bit from another and swap between them and mash them together. When I first realized that the book was going to be a bite this idea. I started looking around for other books that may have done similar things. And I find a lot of a lot of books that were every woman want, and I really didn't want to write that story where one woman becomes the focus of all this attention and. I didn't I didn't feel that. That's really exploring these issues that I wanted to explore. There's a Frank Herbert one cooled. The white plague really is a case of one woman being left alive and she's locked in like a medically sealed chamber to try, and I can't even remember what they're trying to do with the really, but I love Frank Herbert. But I really don't like that idea of you know, everybody. No, absolutely. I mean, I thoroughly agree it some it's kind of reducing that one person to all of the preconceptions. You have about women rather than looking at women as a sought in whole X problem with a low of fancy and science fiction, as they always do have one woman is the focus. We spoke in previously on episodes about how women don't seem to be able to form cohesive groups and support of groups, particularly when it comes to science fiction fantasy there always has to be the lay woman. It's like we, you know, we found him sisterhood as well. Yes. Absolutely. You know, there's more than what I I think it's a problem. Generally, what you kind of just say, right, this this society represents everything on a globe. Or this person represents every single characteristics to do this kind of experience that. Yeah. Yeah. I like I like to think that we could do better than that. See we've been book BT, and in that while you depiction of the maternal instinct to manage rooted in a fiscal transformation, deeply the Allman have maternal traits sort of outside of the narrative is only the toxic muscular see teaches them not to embrace these roles. That's a heck of a question. And I think everybody has or doesn't have maternal instincts on kind of each is. I think it's an individual thing and possibly changes throughout your life. As you grow and change. But I don't think it's a masculine feminine characteristic in particular. I can see the argument food toxic masculinity making it more difficult to express. But being a parent in parenthood comes with its own set of hormones because I didn't start off a tool sort of maternal myself. But I have I have my daughter now. And now, I'm the kind of person to goes babies in the street, so. You know, I think everybody's capable of change. But an I yeah, I don't see it as a medal female counter stick. I think I would just say that I wasn't maternal either. I am I still don't get babies in the street. Deny the obscene maternal aspects, the women on the paternal aspects, the fathers from what I've seen myself, my family, my friends, it seems to manifest in a very different way. So it's very interesting to see some men having. Feedings emotions more importantly reactions are associated with sort of the maternal side a bit like, for example. I my husband always jokes about, you know, my daughter coming home and having spoken to boys in the playground and things like that. Where is about that? I'm just like, oh, wow. She's not going out with all the girls and the rule took it about you to call. So I think relationship. Yeah. I particularly with my husband. I mainly have sort of mutual concerns. He hasn't really said. Oh my gosh. You know, I'm worried about something that you would consider to be more masculine point-of-view. But I'm I'm not somebody worries more about sort of feminine points-of-view either. So maybe just going to different different sort of balance to it. I don't know. Yeah. But I can certainly see the argument is society lead, you dimed, Sutton paths. And I see it more with her actually in terms of her experiences. When everybody in the class is doing a certain thing all the girls dressed in pink as you say oh talking about unicorns. And so therefore she wants to do that. If only to find out what the fuss is abide more than from any real sort of connection with that. So Sunday's there's societal pressure. Yeah. I didn't try and say here the emphasis is on society, kind of putting this these forcing people into these roles for the into Dr certain behavior and men to adopt almost the complete opposite. And not. I mean, you can see in all maternity and paternity holidays. Like why I think it's crazy the paternity? It's so could be so small, you know. Yes, they think that two weeks is enough. Yes. They give women women a lot longer. And it's like that that kind of inequality. Yeah. It seems perfectly obvious to me that, you know, the both parents just really important in needed to be dead or any sort of parental figure with I. I didn't feel that my daughter needed me more more than she needed. My husband. Should we move on and took a bit about your new novel because you touched on that already yet? So in the loosening skin people shed their skin every seven years costing memories as well as they pass loves C. You could say that the idea of perpetual reinvention is something peddled by the media, which pressures us to change yourselves physically emotionally, even politically at a fitness agenda that might not necessarily be our own. Could you tell us a little bit about novel? What prompted you to explore these kind of concepts chill? Yeah. It's the loosening skin is a detective story was to detective stories. That are connected. And it's it's kind of using the idea of a detective story ah by the self as well as a mystery that needs to be solved. So it's about I talked earlier abate reinventing your own past and trying to find. Clues abate your own passed in order to make a picture of who you are as a person as you move through the present. And I think it's it's quite a lot about that. I think that we we do all change all the time. And reinvent ourselves. And reevaluate the past that sent me something I wanted to look at. So that was kind of very much in my mind as I was writing it. Yeah. And also the pressure to be something that you're not to try and fit certain boxes. I very much wanted to address that. So it's a case of the first half of the book. The narrator is a woman who's done a lot of different jobs and experience a lot of different ways of living. But she has a particular issue in that every time she loses her skin, which is meant to happen about once every seven years, but in times of stress can happen more quickly. She feels a strong desire to kind of push away. Everything that she was before and start afresh which comes with a whole range of problems as you try and reinvent yourself over and over again what she does with not much success. Oh, really two guards. So yeah, I wanted to see if I could take all of those elements and make and make a cohesive whole, I should that person without them really being aware of it. Because do you know how sometimes you're aware you meet people, and they they have great personality, and you can see that the flu character and the their own voice. But they may sometimes feel once you get to know them. Well, that that really not sure about who they are on many levels. So that kind of difference between the internal feeling of being a personality and the external representation of being a personality with something that I wanted to explore as well. It sounds exhausting. Doesn't it? Here's reinvention just throwing off everything that you were and starting fresh, and it does raise the idea of, you know, how fresh can you start you know, because that must be parts of us that don't change that. We they're all the kind of essential parts that will probably end up manifesting despite our best efforts. Absolutely. And I think in some ways it's easy to lose to lose touch with that. Or to not recognize the thing about yourself are stable and just ingrained. Really interested in ideas, sort of nature nurture and can. How much of it is genetics and how much of it is from experience. And again, this is just like a huge topic that you couldn't possibly hope to actually yet ever find answers to. But the questions that it generates a so interesting, and I really just wanted to explore a lot of those questions and the idea of the skin coming off every seventies was great a great way to do that. Because when they lose the skin they lose. Love particularly sort of sexual love. Although sort of feelings go, and then start afresh and to the point where they really hate the people they were in relationships before if they get strong strong reactions to the skin shedding, and that really enabled me to explore the idea of being inundated love of having this physical manifestation of love that you could say that that definitely was real yet. It was also really interesting murky territory dives of somehow manage to form into a book of fifty thousand words, so yeah. But I pleased with the fact that these two detective stories that reflect on each other then kind of mirror each other in the journey of trying to make sense of who you are as a person, which is I think it seems like something that's quite easy from the outside Z z to look at somebody feel that you know them, but it's incredibly difficult inside to reconcile all the things that you are and to try and make that into a personality. I was wondering 'cause a lot of these talking about how you're asking questions, and it's this kind of exploration of kind of the human condition experiences just constantly questioning what if do you think you would have been able to tackle those sorts of ideas without the speculative fiction element that you work in. I don't know it just feels integral to it to me because I want to remove elements or play with elements that feel we associate with realism. So we take it for granted that the world is sudden way. And for me in order to ask the questions, I need to take an element away and leave something for all the other ideas to rush into so. Yeah, I guess it needs. But I don't I don't think all that. I'm writing speculative fiction. You know, I'm not concerned with say, we're all what's the speculative element. It's just I don't I don't seem to have a line where I'm suddenly aware that it's become speculative fiction. It like you said, it's just all what if what if what if it's a world without women. What if we have porridge for breakfast? What if you know, it's all what if I don't feel this sort of over? That's that's territory, the might be difficult to believe all the I've overstepped align. I don't I didn't really see the line when I'm rioting think think. I mean, it's a speculative fiction tends to sort of be looked down on, you know, in terms of it's not literary fiction, the therefore it somehow lesser, or you know, how how do you feel about some of these attitudes toward speculative fiction? When clearly you see it as a really freeing way to look at the the issues we face. Yeah. If I wrote a book that didn't have a speculative element. I would be absolutely fine with that. And I read read freely through lots different genres, and don't I don't tend to think of camera to take Yuli. I just I just wanna go free, and that seems to be offered by speculative fiction. But yeah, I I really don't think a lot about genre. Or the fact that I'm writing in junior when I'm doing it. And I feel that one is better than the other all that you know, that we should praise this and say that that's a. Less important in some way. The beauty of speculative fiction is the I think it works. Well, full for your kinds of stories, which really do examine a quite an unusual concept is that you know, if you I just can't imagine the beauty set in a secondary fantasy world because all of the world voting you'd have to do with kind of detract from, you know, the the central discussion that you're trying to have Novalis trying to have the characters are an and yet, you know, it's funny because the university say that it's in Devon possibly as, but you'd have in difficult comes across a place in it's it doesn't have a name attached to it. But you we know that it's it's all world. Let you it's not Anya is quite over here is, but I think that's what's really good about speculative fiction because you don't eat bridges the gap between two quite hauled extremes of of science fiction fantasy who which come with their own. We talk about this law on this podcast about you know, they. Come with a whole range of tropes that you expect expected to either country employ subvert specification seems much more like a plane, but you could just. People can approach it not having to spend the belief think, oh, you know, going to enjoy this because it's fantastic. That seems to you know, you won't people to read kind of clay concept book with as open mind as possible. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny. You say that because I I have had people say to me, you know, it will the beauty set on another planet. So it's not straightforward to everybody that it set. I didn't expect people to know that the volume that the rox was a real place in Devon, for instance. But I thought that idea of a small insurer rural place. Was important to it. And for me, personally, I could visualize the valley at the rocks. So it helped me in the writing process, but it's absolutely fine. If people didn't get is from another planet at that doesn't that doesn't take away from their enjoyment of the story. But I totally agree that if I thought it was set on another planet. I would have been there for an extra forty thousand words kind of filling in a lot of gaps and with the first draft where it was kind of like a community where Etienne's arrived, then I find you doing a lot of alien building. Whereas if it's a mushroom. Well, we know what mushroom is I'm not mushroom building. So that it's the openness Ovilla, she say that allows me to to be very intense and not have to spend a lot of time dealing with setup and explanation, and all of those things you can just crack straight almond, so grabbing people and exploring ideas, you want to explore since we're talking about speculative fix. Do you have any favorite books or works can be films that bridge the divide between this idea of the speculative, and and general fiction in books all films that would not necessarily be closed as shown in. They bought might elect exhibit the same sense of exploration. Yeah. What I like about the cooling things speculative fiction is that it can just it's a bit like weird fiction. It's a bit sort of. We don't really know what that is. But it's not then it's not quite that. So what could be speculative totally not be to the L. I've talked about this before places. But certainly the first book where I thought I don't know where this is going, and I really loved that is Rebecca by Daphne du Maurier. What a book and a neat. Just absolutely glued to it. Because I just didn't know where it was going to go. What was going to happen? And it transcended kind of ideas of an story. It should be for me. And then later on I came across just randomly took out if the library when I was quite young the first invoked Tapia butlers, sina Genesis trilogy that one's could dawn. And I think most people would say that that's just sort of science fiction just science fiction, just absolutely mind, blowing the, you know, political wide ranging far thinking horror. Oh, my gosh body horror. There's all sorts going on in that book. And then let the live we couldn't get hold of the other two. So I had to wait for five years before I could read the rest of the trilogy. So I just had this very strange world in my head for five years ago. I wonder what happens so, but yeah. I'll tell you about Louis sina Genesis trilogy. And also, I think formative -ly kind of Allen more writing things like the ballot of halo Jones. The watchmen would just sort of crossed ideas of what kind of story we were dealing with. You know, there's a bit of New Orleans a bit of crime Elizabeth horror. All the is just so many elements in his books in refuses to just kind of be labeled for me. They're amazing example as. I was gonna say to to make an Charlotte. Do you guys have any any favorite works that do similar things well picking up on the activity, but looks ample I mean kindred was one of his books, which you know, it's kind of often classified as science fiction. But is it really cause? Yeah. I mean this time travel, but it's not really explained and the point of it isn't the any kind of science fiction kind of stuff about it. It's all about the again just asking questions and commenting on. Yes. Slavery in racism and Muniz, easy issues. Yeah. Really just pliers into amazing. Isn't it? I think to choose new amazing writer. That has to be one of my all time favorite books. Yeah. I think I would probably say the later books of Alison Littlewood, so Alison Littlewoods so star of paying adding rich judy's top pickier. Absolutely not. Yeah. I wasn't massively keen on that book. And then she did hidden people, which I thought was very good. But it didn't quite do it for me. But go was released the last year. Oh my goodness. That's just such an amazing book, it is a horror story. It's a gothic story. It's a story of bad gender. It's a story about society and tickly highly would deal with women and with mental illness, and is just if I say, it is a story about women told from the single viewpoint of a man like if you some idea about how well little withdraws her characters that she could tell you a whole wealth of stuff about. Secondary characters the through a main character who is completely biased and probably not very nice. I'd go with pity enrolled of them sort of side with him to be honest. I'm for me. I just think that that's an amazing book. I really love it. And I can't quite see. Well, it's going to go off to this and to tell well, I've not read that what I've read I've read her earlier books. I'm I'm going to go and seek that that signs brilliant. So yeah, yeah. He's love these books that take on these huge kind of concepts and do it. So. Well, absolutely. Unlike you say have current books. Kroger is nothing like the the first cold season, which is very straightforward. Supernatural thriller, and even some of the short stories you've done and being so very horrific. Sated crow garden was just it was just what genius. I really liked to Britain that die. I'm getting getting it. They are Ellison you. I mean a Cup of coffee. I'm so just a little question to finish with really because we would looking speculative fiction. You'll published by the beauty, and I think the loosening skinny as well as published by unsung stories. Yeah. Which is fantastic. A small press that I read a metronome by Oliver Lang meat so good so good. And it's another one of those books that crosses is difficult to define it. And it crosses you'd say. Genre boundaries and talks about some extremely important concepts that very often missing from the the kind of traditional publisher books we see on to send shows so talking about small presses. And how important they are. You know, what's been your experience of work? I just loved it. I love the fact that I'm kind of involved on the base. I have been published when I first started writing I wrote some crime novels and MacMillan published those and that was a good experience. It's not it's not that. I had a terrible experience. But I was I'm slightly on the outside of that experience. But I love the fact that I can get right into sort of, you know, feedback on the cover and the editing process, and everything is it's kind of really would absolutely all committed on getting the best book that we possibly can regardless of high that could then be sold. I do feel for them because then they have to go out and sell it. But. From my point of view, the feedback. I've got from them as always been just writes the book you want to write. And then let us worry about all the other bits and pieces to do with selling that idea. Not that's been so great for me. I don't think I could have written the books that I have written without knowing that, you know, sympathetic publisher really wants might me to feel that. I can do what I need to do Zion. Does. So. Yeah, absolutely love and some stories within their amazing. Georgia's a really nice guy so Georgia to this. You're amazing. Used to go out and buy your fantastic books. Yeah. Goodbye them, all because at all grades. Actually, I read all of them, and I just just love all of them. And also that commitment to kind of exploring as we've been talking about big ideas in different ways. So you mentioned metronome, but also dock star by the same. Also, you know was kind of epic poetry. Still on my list to read. But thank I or something. It is just it just gives me a headache thinking about it. But he's just done it. So well to the point where you forget, it's it's blank. I and just read us. This epic trope struggle of light and dark yet looked that books. I but all of that book adjust. Just great so yes, please by the books and support them. I think that's a really nice note to end on. Well, thank you very much for coming along earlier. It's been great. Thank you. Thank you really enjoyed it. Join us again for another episode of breaking the glass slipper.

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A Knight's Tale

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A Knight's Tale

"The one Dunstan. Hey everyone welcome back to the underrated. Podcast we are. The undercast company made up of myself macduff Aerial Ortiz. Fred and Alan frame. Right there was going on with the podcast where we discuss. The underrated movies Under the radar movies movies that deserve a second. Look today. We're GONNA be talking about a two thousand one film a Knight's Tale Starring Heath Ledger Shannyn Sossamon mark. Addy Alan to Rufus. Oh well allure frazier along with Paul. Bet Knee as Geoffrey chaucer James Cheer Ford as a Prince Edward the Black Knight of the film was written directed and produced by Brian Hedge Land and it received pretty mixed reviews upon release getting a fifty eight percent on run tomatoes It did all right financially but it wasn't a runaway success. One thing I wanNA point out before we start a happy anniversary guys. This podcast is going to be releasing on April twenty seventh which is going to be almost a year to the day just a couple of days off from when we released our first three podcasts a year ago in two thousand nineteen so. I just got a facebook memory of Us announcing it coming out like I think two days ago. So Yeah Kate everybody if Anybody wants to donate money to us. I'll give my pay pal out no worries support us I'll put my paper right. You guys you guys want to support this podcast than We can start a patriot. You can be the one and only patriots supporter. Who Me why anybody anybody out there. Oh Yeah I was GONNA say yeah go ahead and support US and help us by equipment So we can sound better. Yeah but now that. Have we talked about that Does Anybody WanNa get started with the what they thought about mood. Fred this was your suggestion yet Well were can you say about okay if God could make a movie? Made is what. I'm saying superstar. Wha- what now what can I say for for a movie? That's how can I put? It is so no no because okay so it's supposed to be like a period piece right right now. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. So so the story wise is supposed to be like a period piece. Ri- like a night in a certain period of time. Normally you would go like the music would have the feel of that time. The music doesn't but the musicals really well with all the scenes right. You don't know the best way to put it. This is guardians of the galaxy before guardians of the galaxy. I was that's because the movie itself is good. The movie itself has its own its own. Time is not like the other than medieval times when they're doing it but I think that dialogue is a little anachronistic. I don't think it's a problem I actually but but what I'm saying is the music instead of the music flowing of like a being somewhat time period. Chance and fucking scarring battle music. You know Guys with a like a like the witcher like Danny Lyon doing stuff. They ended up having like Queen. You end up having a David Bowie you you end up having Who who has not they have? Acdc point details writer play. Yes yes CDC. So so they have all this all this music you would think would like pull you out but they put it in such a way in the scenes that it works for what it is and for style that it is because it it also has humor in it so it works well. So that's why I say it's it's like if if you wanted to quit something. Nowadays would be like the very first guardians of the Galaxy Jefferson. And and that's why I maybe for its time back then is maybe why they got like a maybe like a kind of like Down the middle score but if it were to come out nowadays I would probably get better. I mean look they. They did it for like suicide squad. They tried to do the gardens of the guys who look to it. I don't know if the birds of prey was like that because I never saw the movie hardly anything lately. I haven't seen so I don't know but I'm just saying like with a soundtrack going with the movies things. This one did it. Well for not being it's correct period esque music really gets it really. Gets you going in certain spots? It's good music. It doesn't it doesn't feel cheesy It just if feels good when you watch it. Yeah you could tell that the music doesn't go with it at the time but it works. It sounds good. The acting is it's okay but great at the same time. I don't know how to explain it. It's tongue in cheek yet. But I feel like they're young still at the time acting so they're not like At at the top of their game but they show why they do get to the top of their game why they become a over the over movies over years you see them get better and better and better but you see like the raw talent that they're going to have like like jokes. Were the everything every. Just everything works. Well With Palestinian announced Dick and the jokes have in the back and forth. It's it's it's good Ledgers Great Yet it just over overall like I'm not. I'm not trying to the Horn of the movie. Like there's still things that are wrong with it. Obviously every movie does have it. But I'm just saying just for for for them because it is rough around the edges. I WanNa say like the acting is still rough around the edges. I feel at times. I'm Kinda like But you can you. Can you do feel that? They are putting forth effort. And you can Kinda tell that you could see the progression. It's one of those movies that will point you go. Well this is where they started and then you can see them. You know a dark you know when. He's a joker. You can kind of see. Where do you put like? He's got a lot of potential good but he he's not like no he's ledger. You will become like a great actor of his generation. But he's he's not there and that's that's something that I appreciate with movie. It's a little rough but at the same time it works with it especially being like just that just that Judge John that it is and where it's at the little roughness kind of works for it in a way but it's it's overall. I thought it's genuinely is not is not an academy award. Winning movie is not the best movie is not going to blow your socks off. It's not going to shatter all your expectations but the movie itself. Even though I watched it back in the day and I really enjoyed it back in the day and I thought you know I haven't seen it in a few years when I brought it up. I just remembered from from back then I saw and I'm like you know what is still holds up to the same standards that it did back then. It's not a terrible movie is just a just a nice watch movie like it's not going to bore you Fun What it's just a fun watch. It's not like I said it's not gonNA blow your socks off not gonNa experience isn't going to change your life but it's one of those movies that you can watch for about you know well to our movie and you just enjoy the movie and you kind of forget where you're at for a little bit you just go with it and you just have fun. It's definitely during these kind of like trying times. It's a good just like to turn your brain off and watch movie when I watched it. I was with my brother briefly and was the first time during this whole isolation those like all right. Let's have let's have some drinks and I got drunk and watch the movie and it was a fucking great time Because I think that would be just kind of lends itself to the Fundus because on the surfaces looking at it looks like a kind of historical communities movie. But because it's got all these acronyms like the music you know or like it's not just the music and stuff like just got purple streaks in her hair and it doesn't. It's not like a mistake. It does these things uproariously and it kind of A. You're saying that builds that kind of like feeling to the movie because the movie is it's really a like a ninety sports movie honestly mastery manager. It's honestly it's closer to the mighty ducks down to Lee. The usage degree will re. We will rock you. It is a species movie and I on this recent watching. And it's like it's like something. Oh It's the world championship you know in the tournament and everything. It's really just like one of those nineties. Kinda great sports movies and they always had like the training montage to. There's there's a training montage. There's always like in those movies there's always like an evil villain who just has no redeeming qualities like russa wealth. Such a fucking good villain scheming and evil and like there's nothing about if you'd like. I really liked the love story in this. I feel like if it was the worst movie. Love story would have been like he would have seen The the princess of first then he would have been like. Oh you know actually a really. WanNa go for the blacksmith. But they're like no. We don't do that. Blast just a cool character to just choose a woman who. Abbas be. Good black slipping. She's got a little stuff they're about being widow and she just helps out like it's there's some cool female characters and isn't they don't need to like naked shade honestly around. This is just like a fucking fun. Good Watch like watch it. Maybe have a drink. You don't have to but like all around. I just really love it. I love the stuff. There's hints of historical stuff like like Geoffrey. Chaucer obviously wrote the Canterbury Tales. One of which is a knight's tale. I think it's the first one has. It's nothing like this. It's like about like Roman gods and shit then obviously the black prince and they were both around in the same century they would have been roughly the right age depending on this when the set think Sausa- behind the scenes stuff Paul. Benny said it was set in the thirteen. Seventy S which kinda worked with like when like the because that would be before. The Black Prince died before Geoffrey. Chaucer had written his can't tales kind of fun to have some kind of little historical things like that even though they're like yeah. Geoffrey chaucer was like a drunk gambler which I don't think was a thing really fun movie. I really would like to see more movies. Like this worth on the service. They look like one genre movie and it just a completely different genre when you actually watch the concert movie and it's something that you really unique in fun that this does not allow things to. Leon going off of that. I was thinking the same thing like this is like maybe my time watching this because as you say we always on tbs so something to watch But yeah I like it. I some reason like this This movie like maybe even ten minutes. This is a sports movie. I Yeah I ended up like watching it this time and enjoying it that way and I. I've enjoyed it before and I is like a pretty good movie in my opinion But to experience it that way and also also in. I think the stages I've seen like maybe the classical kind of historic but not really historic Kind of way in like those slake love story and a movie and the now This time around seen as oh. This is a sports movie and kind of I pay more attention to the actual Jau seen element of the movie So it's a movie that all that gives a multilayer kind of Watching it and then you can analyze a couple of different times when you watch But I I agree with Fried about how this kind of shows the early stages of all these different actors have gone to numerous success. Success later on in their career not have contributed to kind of like the mixture view of of this. Not because this is about the time after eighth. Ledger did until ten things. I hate about us. So he's kind of coming off of that kind of like teen heartthrob kind of Persona has released the eaves before brokeback but tinting. So yeah. He's still very much that teen heartthrob kind of like not taken super seriously yet. Yeah so you know. Having that thing in an Allen to dig is just coming off by Fleiss. Wasn't that big of a well known actor or character actor for that reason that he's known for so much in recent history with with his numerous voiced Allen's Rac- my main green Arrow or or any of the Pixar Disney movies now and he was on the chickens. Was he the Roman and rogue one Rolon zone back to But Yeah I mean for a guy who could play a chicken Ben Pixar St Movie And mastered. Yeah now but yeah. I think it's just these. It was early stages of of these great actors into the just going back and watching it for that reason and see where these actors that you come love and like arc in your daily lives in the case of Alan to Dick to see them in their early early days would be is a pretty good experience also to top it off and I enjoyed it. I agree with everybody a lot of points. You have some things that I didn't care for Well this is a minor thing. It's very long I didn't know was that long. I was like probably like an hour and a half percent because like right when the credit started I was like. Oh It's you know the sports movie set in Medieval Times because of we will rock. You remember watching your way back in the day every now and again. I go to fred cells and he'd been onerous as and I believe. Okay cool whatever but yeah I remember what you should is two hours and a hatch very movie so that was my only gripe could have been cut down to like two hours but it's a big deal Actually all of these aren't really like hating on it. I just kind of go other small little nitpicks villain for me as I was pretty generic. All's again he's the typical Jack was like aren't whatever he's going to be the bad guy and then this one was actually the biggest nitpick with me and my girlfriend. She watched her with me. So what about homegirl of the Romantic lead female romantically? She has the most ninety nine thousand. Nine hundred ninety s fucking outfits and hairstyles compared to everybody else. There was literally excuse literally wearing the one of the same outfits. The Julia Roberts Warren in pre willing he yeah mcglaughlin literally yelled at the screen was like Oh my God this personnel Nelson and the purple hair. What's funny because like verbal purple couldn't even get purple guys like now. Those days like purples associated with royalties because it was such like a fucking impossible color to make energy blake. She was just worried and then going really could focus. You will if she is your which because you have these feature close or is she a noblewoman will but like. I was like a Sheila Good Tournament. Rhody issues. We had to look it up. Which is a noblewoman. But we're just like who she's like a ninety s which fucking time traveler Nobo- Okay that's what she is all the nights whereas down of our sister will look hard sister the medieval witch though. I was gonNA say like now. Everybody had to be of some kind of a noble household to be a night. So everybody watching them. Up in the stands. Were all either royalty or high-society saving there. So that's how come you know. That's that's how you get the gist of when the girl comes and says all my lady wants to talk to. You is where you're supposed to infer that as she was of some kind of higher status inflator kit because of other like oh Sir Alrich of whatever and then surge black prints of England there. Sorry Lady Ninety nine hundred over here but can but no other than those three. I really the movie. It's a lot of fun. I liked the soundtrack. Derek said it's an acoustic Which I enjoyed. I liked that one movies even after like a period piece but they add like modern music. I always enjoyed that. I know genuine chain. There's a scene where like jangled. Just you know. He saves the day or something in the middle of the movie Fucking rap song just and like in our member Sima Theater in. Just everybody got hype. That's pretty sick I like it. It's just a modern day gives it Africa's gives you a timer. I feel sucky like that. Might that might also be one reason why I mean many will. Times is something that's very. It's kind of a culture thing with like you know Renaissance Renaissance Renaissance Fairs and things like that. So there might be like there might have been like a a group of people turned off all the purists might has given it a bad rap too because you know I mean and then also what what we were saying earlier that people weren't as accepting Akron and mystic elements to movies so much back then than they are now for some reason I think a lot of the reasons that got bad reviews people like what is this Queen Song during this movie by the Middle Ages Lu. I'm like fuck you and there was a lot of story lines going through it so you had the sports team right. Then you've got the themes in there with the love of the guy and the girl right so you got an adaptation will hang on and then you also have a story about a father and a son trying to tell him you know what if you try the hardest you can achieve your dreams and so like there's like three different kinds of Jonah's of things they'll mix together in this medieval movie so it can be a lot if you if you really delve into it. I for the first time since I've watched the movie at all. I've always liked the the one thing I've always wondered was because I didn't pay one hundred percent. I just enjoyed the movie every time I watched it. I just watched it right at the Ancienne when kissing the stars around them. I've always been like what the fuck is that. It always takes out. I'm like this is one of those damn Greece me where they fly right. But that's not it. It's because the dad's always telling the sun that you know you can always change your desk. You can always change the stars so at the end when the stars commodities his changing the destiny changing the stars so a obviously make sense. But I've never really. I've never really looked into it. Dragonheart movie chunk. Connor Leah. Yeah and you know what that's going to be the next podcast. We're going to watch star dense. We should do that that which I actually. I think I might be down starving the impetus for us doing this whole thing. Everybody most well known all the movie hold on which started. Keep asking everybody at a good film. It's got the early superman it Syrian Robert Deniro show for Robert Deniro. Plays a gade space like hey I get again. I'm saying again. I'm saying what it's really Gung Ho. Which we're talking about was the one where dammit. What's his name? Brendan Fraser's reading a book What is it I don't know but that's what I thought you were. Rip Off of a page master not to talk about That was a good one too. But we're getting off topic. I don't know what the movie you guys are. Talking about is probably never seen it. It's really it's it's good. Nothing unless we gotTa Watch it best right now we've got to watch it. We We I like like I said like that was one thing that I've never. I didn't really like I. I've seen it but I've never bought like actually like to break down like that. 'cause this time around watching the movie whenever watching movies for what we're doing now. I'm watching them objectively to see what what it is at the end. So that's why I picked up a lot more of the dad a pickup. That loves over there. I picked up. The you know the job thing here and then I noticed that at the end finally with the stars man I was like all so it wasn't just a throwaway seeing it actually. It actually meant something because the dad's looking up to this guy even though he's buying he's been looking into this guy who see the change in the stars because of his son so I I you know finally obviously watching it more objectively and seeing. What's going on I finally got through? It's kind of a beautiful moment. I think meals but I'm gonNA tell you their love. I don't care but I'm not I'm not GonNa lie before I just thought it was a whatever but in cards car drag. That's what it was rats. We got a few and I've seen those movies. Listen movies are good but it's the funk flake One day it will say is like a just kinda like to finish up. I think it's underrated. I do think a dude emmett underrated. I feel like there's limited stuff I I don't think it's like you know Oscar worthy or anything like that but like I think it's a fun to watch you know. Definitely you're not going to be disappointed. I think when you finish it I think might be like a little too long but I think also like everybody was saying. It's great to see all the actors before their prime. I mean especially seem Alan to I fucking absolutely love Al. He's the especially in a podcast about underrated films. The Moon underrated actor Opinion as fucking Allen to that guy in career kills. Yeah he's here. These joker right now Harley Quinn the the show he's Mr nobody doom patroller if bucking destroyed that that that show like you just killed it like he. He stole the show. He's on all the Disney blockbusters right. Now he's always in something literally voice in like every single Disney movie going. Md Ellen to look at all the fucking Disney movies. He's in and you're like Oh Shit. It was just a bad ass yet. Pixar with them John Ratzenberger. They're doing that now with two Disney movies like he's their good luck charm. It's also what Star Wars I mean. He is get the reason. Why have being a prequel show of a Diego Luna character and his door from a cast a yeah is because of him is because he his character of of K. K. three so. Curious I'm a police. They're they're dynamic in the movie you can mainly because of him is the reason why they're creating a whole show off a two characters. A technically have died already spoiler alert for one student. Like what else can you want like? You might just be like the mandatory in part to release a San Diego Luna is really good actor. You can really see it in. He has ever watched cost of that me pottery. His acting really really come out and shined that one. Yeah but For final things like yeah. It's really great movie If you are a general fan of of Gate of that game of thrones again sports movies in general any wanted to see something different but in the main than definitely check this out. It's Great movie in that way. But also it has all these little intertwines of of course medieval Things and things like that maybe not too much. But there's all these different things if you're interested in that to Definitely great acting like we've said Paul just from like one of the also main reasons watches just Paul Bentley's just his acting during the big The introductions of fucking oil as an English major like he like who loves Geoffrey. Chaucer thinks he's probably the most influential writer ever like he fucking nailed it. Yeah I mean the first time he introduces him is just like so enthralling and it just gets better and better with every sentence of the whole like he did. He did not speak for a year just to know the importance of respect. And just all of I should kill the Moseley. It just gets you you like would you? Or you're going to want the a person like that just to like you know just a a number one. Heitmann right behind out. Put them above flayed. What he's GonNa do what I want him to do. Now WanNa Vision Buck. Yeah every time like she's like when she rocks the classic like in the trailers rocking the classic scarlet costume. Who's GONNA be like? Oh My fucking God. Chaos magic and fucking fitter. Look at her. She's GonNa do this and I'll be like hell. You fucking just envision in a plaid shirt just hyping up Scarlett Lynch now wanted him when he was Jarvis. Hyping up ironman right before it comes out on stage. Hey Fuck in house of Emmett do. She's like she can literally just house of them. That should just be like you know what you'd be really fucking cool if you Paul Bitney can be Jarvis vision and putting yourself up with sell hyphen. Everyone up hyping all four versions of you up. Let's see I will just call her hype yourself. Visually also them. I said I'd watch it. I I'd be down. Yeah definitely in my opinion You Watch especially if you're a fan of larger. I mean who is? It won't either a lake right when he said that. Who is in the therapies ledger? Aleki pleasure. I kind of thought for a while. His perform I liked his performance on the dark knight came out of the joker. I really loved it then. Asteroid was like going to work. It was really cool. But it's not as I guess you after you feel us. I thought your show squad. That's why that's why he has now lake but now like with seeing Joaquin Phoenix's joker. Excuse me sorry Arthur Flick. Not The joker. Now I go dim. You know what he's legend really did a great job. I'm the one who just did not care for like Benetton sengoku movie. I thought like you know what he's led to really kill. The I guess. My suspicions were correct after the last twelve years. But I mean in my opinion on one among the greats of course the all great ever been is Mark Hamill said if you watch his his birth trail in brokeback mountain. You're like I see the painting house as the Joker No. I didn't know what I'm saying is like you would almost be like. Yeah I can you feel you feel sorry for him for what he goes through an SI go man. This guy's a good actor. He makes me feel bad for his situation. Yeah I mean look worked the Heath Ledger. Move your view over to the filmography. It's just so many different types of characters like this character. His ten things. I hate about you care that Holte lear performance there Dr but also like Brothers Graeme of this show was pretty good that movie that you like. Oh yeah that was forgot about that even existed by. It's I mean it's not like I say that's another one that's not like winning performances but it's a good movie for what it is. I guess what it is. Yeah for what it is. It's not bad I mean it's No van helsing with a what's his face delivering Lou. Jack Jack Man. That's that was actually a good movie. Myron Jury Lawn Rouge is Is NO DRACULA? The one that's trying to sled up Nicole Kidman skills during a movie. Long time I liked. The sauces are areas administered. You said the Duke of Moulin who I was like. Wait Vampire It's an animated theorem. How was he there? Unlike he knows it was like he was like femme Laurent. Like God. I'll get you next time. Then hustling along U N you little dragon move on now to Phoenix. Absolutely what the Phoenix feel about that. I really liked moves. You immediately allocated Replacing Eddie Murphy. Though with no I liked it twice. Unroll Baby I wouldn't act who she bucket. Let's go what about what about Chris. Rock machine is it was Eddie. Murphy's while the just make it just make any again. Why not have them do it? I Love I love Milan. I love Russia but that was it kind of felt like a little out of place who disliked. This is really. I really like the dragon part. It's like James Hall in like like Unlike George Takei and Eddie Murphy. All right okay. It worked for me I I liked him in the cricket and now Mike if There's no cricket I don't know I don. I feel like remake that Disney should be making instead of like emmys like online and Aladdin which are just like beat for beat remakes. It's like we'll take something that's like inspired by it and like it's got the same general story but it's not just like hears the same things we've got to make sure we have bushwick because she was just just give me something that has the flavor of. Lon but it's a it's a different. Otherwise why am I just watching the lighting again war? We're learning anything on. Or why are you making all these movies? That were already good anyways. And trying to milk me for some more money on the same thousand factor. Because they're going to do that regardless so if they're going to do that they might as well make a new original good movie you know or just master. But it wasn't like some problems with the JON favreau jungle book but at least it's a different movie than the old jungle book you know or they can just make. Trung three cool. Finally make that bucket. We're GONNA have to wait. Another wet was like thirty years between trunks three. Another thirty years can be like twenty fifty before deductible Kim Wilde and it's going to be a living while than the guys the kid. Yeah they're GONNA they're gonNA hit. Nobody's really watched it for Fugger A big Lebowski well to tell you all math together. Tail is very original movie. Go check it out. I recommended I'm Stephanie. Recommend from it's it's how the kids would say it's a slab. Would you know value? I keep hearing. It's as we age. I'm not that old fifty two years. Yeah I'm not too tight it back to when I actually culture old like I know you are going to be a theme. It's been a running joke. Batman men like because he's just there I had to. I'm sorry sorry low hanging fruit. Don't you guys? I hope he hasn't podcast over here tonight sell next week. Ben would be superman reviewed and talks about. Jesus remain me. Because I'm I'm almost thirty. I'm going to dyson. 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Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis (HR 2)

Mornings with Keyshawn, Jorge & LZ

37:07 min | 1 year ago

Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis (HR 2)

"We're happy birthday gene simmons seventy years old today you kiss gyles. I mean i do kiss why figure we all know that's not where i was going with that. I mean i've never played in my carl. He's not on purpose. I'm not quite sure to tell you but i know who they are have a great deal of respect for the business mind that he has to to trademark that face paint. No no one else can do it so you know i respect them but it's like mick jagger. It's like i get it. I put you in a cupboard. Make jagger in the stones so were an iconic rock band. Kiss was kind of camping well fair enough this was the stones are on different leveling kiss yeah. I didn't say they were the same level impact on the music industry saying in terms of how i view them which i will never play them and it's fine. I get what you do. I appreciate what you do. Respect what you do but i'm never playing you in my car but they had the toys member like the kiss like cartoons so that means for me. I knew more about as a kid kid. I knew more about this than i did. The stones grow and that's what i'm saying that the business model was excellent for me this time of year. I think about a leah who passed away. I believe it was yesterday around this time for eighteen years ago on rundown eighteen years ago so that's my kiss fair enough. I play leah yeah okay. Did you play. Did you get that connection. Somehow i think i understand what's going for. No no i don't because i car as an icon. Yes sure yeah for whom i kiss at the rodeo chris in houston. They have a giant blowout road. It's actually really the rodeo is amazed. Rodeo was awesome. I know like that sentence doesn't make a lot of sense. I mean the rodeo was awesome but the rodeo in houston they do it where the texans playing that john arena. They've got rodeo events and there's gotta sell titan seton. Take each concerts every night. It's like we yes rodeo. It's not just one night and i saw kiss and gene flicked guitar picks. It people all night giant thing. That giant dog named remember that i didn't input hottest. There's gambling at the rodeo to a lot of guys would stay. Should we get in this kiss knowledge knowledge. What what's the poll say. Is this big deal or not elsie. It's pretty neck and neck right now my friend it's <hes> fifty eighty four forty six about two hundred fifty votes. Hey e._s._p._n. Los angeles. How would you describe the dodgers yanked series after the boys bad at one eighty three baseball being baseball -aseball got fifty four percent forty six percent with a couple of responses. My favorite so far kershaw is already in postseason form. Oh aw i'm assuming you wrote that travers. I've said it enough. I don't even what are the dodgers always vote against great teams. I'm assuming you wrote that one too. Whenever there's a poll whether it's elsia raja's you know it's made possible by buffalo wild wages volvos. It's called happy hour for a reason get to buffalo wild wings now for three to five dollars all they deals. So what are you waiting for. Get here and get happy. Buffalo wild wings. I was the one that was advocating for a third option which is kind of with the poll is telling us is that it's somewhere in the middle there. There were some stuff in that series watching it over the weekend made you go. Oh boy here we go again. Namely the offensive production the the fact that the dodgers scored two runs to runs and one run that that's a little bit of a eyebrow raise a little a little but it's also the yankees are really good clayton in kershaw who kershaw yesterday in the sense that it wasn't so coutts well. He gave up three home runs because that was the difference they don't if they would take take a run off the board for every five guys strike out. It'd be talking about the twelve strikeouts they don't they just they just count runs and they got three runs against clayton kershaw <hes> <hes> but this is what he does when everybody's watching when you're playing against a really good team and it's a game that quote unquote matters. This is about what you get rarely. There's this perception of clayton kershaw that he's terrible in big games. That's hasn't been the case. He's had a couple of clunkers along the way but so is everybody else. That's is not a it's that he's not what he usually is. It's those games that you see in the middle of june where you look up clinton kershaw's pitching against the cubs on a wednesday night any strikes out twelve but no one gets on base or one or two hits or maybe they eke out a run. Those are the games that's clayton kershaw. You don't get a ton of those you get more. We're of these where you say. Was he bad absolutely not was he had his best absolutely not those are the ones that i wanna see. I wanna see that mid june game in october against the yankees or the astro. What is it because this is what we know. We know what is not. He's not a coward. He's not afraid of the big moment. We've seen him in. A postseason asked to be in the big moments so it's not as if he's afraid to go out there and perform. Is it simply that he's he's up against really really great teams and really really great. Teams has a way of making pitchers look mediocre no because he gets those really really great teams to look something other than that at other times that he's he has those moments against look the the best the answer. Your question is what is it. I don't know he doesn't or he would fix it if he knew okay. This is what it is. The best comparison i can come up with is that he's a baseball version of peyton manning which nine out of ten things things that that means it's an incredible compliment one of the greatest ever a guy that you have total and complete faith in a guy. That's a hard worker. It's completely prepared a guy that cares guy that goes out there and compete every single time but there's also that when it's at its most intense the best version rarely comes out that that was true peyton manning. It's true of clayton kershaw. I don't know why but there are guys. There are other guys like you saying. He's choking no but it's not show a choke. He has choked but so is everybody else else. It's not that he because choke to me means. This is too big for me. I'm getting a little scared. I'm i don't wanna be out here and whether it's self sabotage or you're just too ramped up. I don't think it's that because it's never not never it's rarely a donkey of a performance. It's usually just something less than his best and it's tap into many times for it to be one of those things so we go into a series to face the yanks. We put our cy young winner on the mound. He gets demolished. We put our goat on the mound. He gets knocked around a little bit and the one the two guys end up looking good as some rookie no one's ever heard of and kenley jansen who we thought was give up all the gam yeah well baseball baseball absolutely sprint people's hotline in gardena and manuel manuel good morning drew. I love that promo ad that guy. What is his answer the u. l. comical dude. He doesn't like really say what's up anyway. Thank you sir l._v. Off of the ledge. We're fine man was fine. It was just as travis says baseball all all weekends and again yeah. He gave up the funk a couple times. We're talking about kershaw three solo yeah three three times times bra in etowah eight seven strong sorry man. The team has to pick him up. It comes back to the bath. Gutter wake up and i believe they will. I think it was weird. Being you know you're looking at the yankees but it's not the yankees. It's like a duff beer softball team so it's kind of like not the same and one thing dodger fan man. Don't sell your gam tickets in the playoffs because that was a born behavior hearing the crowd go wild everytime judge. Judge went deep now man with that fellas keep up the great work. Thanks i wanna say is just baseball. I wanna do the soldano thing and just like they are but here's the problem. It's just baseball keeps showing up in these moments yeah. It's just baseball keeps showing up in the world series. It's just baseball keeps showing up to your point. Whenever kershaw has to face a really good team with all the eyeballs on them. It's just baseball when you need a key hit and getting a strikeout. It sets baseball when we need you who actually win one of these series. It's baseball win the world series and the best. You've done in three seasons his bat two hundred. You know you want more more bad news all right. You've moved me over to your side of the argument because i'm looking at this wit go back a weekend ago <hes> right. They played the atlanta braves who was one of the other top teams in the nationals. They lost two or three yeah. They just played the yankees who are one of the best teams in all base pastor. They lost two of three stooges base this guy's so that is they have lost four of six against the to good teams. They played in the last week and change. Yes okay. They beat the toronto blue jays three in a row the toronto blue the j._c. one of the worst teams in the league before that the marlins they beat them two out of three so you depending on how you look at this you can look at it as it's baseball. You can look at it as the sky is falling. The fact of the matter is it's both they're. They're still i guarantee you the yankees and the astros and the braves and the cubs the cardinals whoever else they're gonna play in the postseason is looking across those guys and going damn this is going to be. This is going to be a handful this. This is not in easy team to deal with the bat one through eight they pitch really well and they're starting rotation kenley jansen despite the fact that he's not what he was a few seasons ago you talk about a guy. That's not scared scared that guys out there on blood and guts right now and found a way to get it done. They don't love seeing him. Come out they. They like it more than earliest chapman. Come out but the dodgers are a scary scary matchup for everybody and i always try to remind myself that when i see the yankees like oh boy here we go. They're they're feeling the same way about guys. They are yes because i think they're slammed back going uh-huh and we had the bases loaded in game two. We were one single away from sweeping these guys in their house. Whereas i'm at the house going we're one more or bad cutter away from getting swept by the dodgers could one last night very very easily. They had guys on base. You have to actually hit the ball and you're gonna hear what you're saying. One eight hundred ugo runners on base in the first inning they'd run or some base in the first four or five innings eight guys on base the whole time they need that one that one hit that never came changes everything instead of it being two to one. It's four to the dodgers and now you're rolling now. You're into the bullpen and the third or fourth inning. This is why this had every game intended to its. Oh look out because now it's a mismatch. Two of those three games could have gone either way. The tend to game really had a terrible night. He got bombed out whatever he's still gonna win. The cy young the other two games coin flips and that's play baseball. I'm going bar wanna keys phrases that both my parents was white. I wouldn't be black the waking up with keyshawn and his boys. It's kind of like that milk squashing on your cereal in the morning eighteen eighteen years ago. We lost a great leah on the same chauffeur's gene simmons you store man. I love the lia but that's two different department stores. Yes they're not on the same block. They're not even allowed in the same mall. This one is like sears j._c. Penney still in the same stuff all right. If you say so you know what it's time to do what ask kirk. It's time for ask <music> ask. He dominated a football field. N._p._r.'s linebacker now how about some fierce knowledge it's time for all right my partner on rams pre half and post kirk. Let's just start right to the news broke. When we were watching the rams and the broncos your response to andrew luck saying what a good i'm out. I retire skirt. I'm still travis. We watched it kinda. Go down and we're just like what like you gotta be kidding me and still my same reaction is guys make a a lot of money but money is not gonna really not how your body's feel later on in life and i think andrew luck is a guy who said look. I wanna live my life. <hes> being injured every single year just not fun and every offseason having to try to recover from an injury like i said edited the other day travis players going into a depression for at least the first couple months after a serious injury because it's the struggle to get all the way back to where you want to work and i think for andrew luck so past four or five years just have not been fun and it really. I've said it before many a times players get injured. They contemplate is this. What's best for me playing his game. What i truly want to do with my life and after four or five years of it i can understand saying why andrew luck did it so i'm shot but at the same time i truly understand. Is this a andrew luck thing a stanford thing or colonial things as kirk. Wow can i check bomb. Let's circle back to d if your door scantron ill because that means all of the above. I think it's a little bit of everything <hes> it's a millennial thing. You know things kind of get tough and sometimes you're like. I'm okay. I'll do something else. <hes> obviously a lot aww guys who i played with in the national football league who went to stanford always forward thinking or they think out of the box that's always kind of a stigma with players who replay at stanford and then you mentioned this is andrew what the guy will carry the flip phone the guy who you know congratulate the player for knocking them on his bud say man. I was a great hitman. Keep bringing it. You know it's just the guys wired differently so i can definitely see it being all of the above d- especially just the era of football that we're in so much money being thrown out there and you know him reaching a settlement with the indianapolis colts who will keep some of that <hes> you know some of that the the bonus money. Daddy got from his contract. I mean kind of almost a situation where who wouldn't wanna just say i'm done with this. I don't need it kirk. You know like you. I said this is a guy that loves the physicality of football seemed to really enjoy the process of playing football but he's a stanford guy. He's got a ton of money. He's got intellectual pursuits pursuits outside of football. If you had to place a bet right now we see andrew lucked play in the n._f._l. Again or not ask kirk. That's a good one traffic on unbelievable so i i think that when he said he wanted to walk away and you bring in family care twice all of that <hes> he can walk away and be perfectly fine with it. I think he did his time in the n._f._l. Was you know not long enough. There's only seven years but yet you know he's still my well being outside of this far more <hes> for me than kind of where i'm at right now and it must not mentioned too. I mean forget to mention that you know his father. You you know gotta play football so the director west virginia's currently the x._f._l. Commissioner so i mean to me just a what he's been around round in terms of his family. It's not a situation. I think that's truly going to fine andrew with his circle of friends within a hisako people maybe us as analyst and host and things like that can can criticize possibly his decision the times but i think he's very much into it it all kind of runs in his own circle and i think that's the reason why he's able to be at peace with his assistant. Jacoby percent will be the starting quarterback for the coats next season. Yeah i would have to believe so because now you're saying that this team would have to be really really bad. <hes> this isn't the the whole suck for luck campaign which had <hes> when they first acquired andrew luck after losing paid many <hes> so this that situation. I think you call it. It was a lot of teams were after koby with. I think this is the year for him to win that job. If he goes out and they win the division. How could he not be the starting next year but like you mentioned. There are some quarterbacks coming out in college indianapolis dengue. How does have some draft capital a bit. You could see them possibly make a move but jacoby l. e. brush it. I mean the time is now. This is you know bill parcells protege a guy who he's definitely been onboard and he finally gets his opportunity to truly be the starting art and quarterbacking will football team for full. I think he is the starter after everybody can do and winning football now kirk. What do you think the mood in the locker room is among his teammates makes because we've seen some criticism outside of the organization saying hey look we get that you you're gonna retire. We get you don't want to do this anymore. But the timing of it all i mean we're basically two weeks away from the the opening of the n._f._l. Season that if this was something you're going to do why wait until now. What do you make just straight up timing of the call but i won't elect kirk. The guys liked it too. Much in that locker will <hes>. I don't put my shoes. <hes> put myself in their shoes because your initial reaction jason is like why why would you do that and you know people are so down on indianapolis colts fast were born in i would jump in and say that i would have did the same thing i would boost because a lot of times its initial reaction right. Even if it's an argument or anything that we do in life the initial reaction right we wanna get feelings out and then and after a while we kinda relaxed take a minute rethinking. We look at all the things kind of go into it and you like all right. I understand but initially just like those fans like we had championship aspirations entry. What is picking up to a super bowl. We saw like you know we wanna division. We've got better young the young players. I was about to win the division and then right then we find out who's retiring. You're like wait what it's like. Your whole season comes crashing down. I think those clears felt like that way initially but you realize they sit back and he understand who the guy is playing quarterback and what he's doing so i think that's kind of i went away and it's how the how it is in n._f._l. Practices fellows. It's been guy gets injured. We don't stop practice. We say hey moved to drill up fifteen yards and giving i can and that's kind of how it is. You just got to spill milk. We've got to continue to play you. Call it present. We got to rally around him. Jumping your car. You got one song to play is a kiss. Aurelia asked kirk will be <hes>. Did you say rule. Obviously i gotta go. Alita always excuse me back in the day when i was young young kids as young men but a number and i was out there cougar hunting no he got a goal sure she was she was everything used to make how many hilfiger underwear look sexy on ladies like the boxer briefs. You know what i mean back. In august. I'm cam newton cam newton cam newton the car. I was trying to tell travis you know. She's an icon for some. I guess for kirk at least kirk. We're getting closer a a week from today as a matter of fact is labor day labor. Day is the official end of summer. Ask cook who i think. That's like the final the last hurrah i. I believe it's like the last weekend that you can get after it and then we all got to be adult craft that you get like memorial day weekend. Kicks it off for summer. The unofficial start december fourth of july is like that midway point. You're like oh man. We're halfway through the summer and then you get to labor day weekend and it's like the yeah but if you don't really party it's more like how i'm going to big horn. I am i am. I'm trying to figure it out because they like labor day. Weekend is more like chill. I don't like i'm having a barbecue larry. Everybody's life <hes> just relaxing hanging around the house. That's about it so i guess it is labor. Day is actual indo summer. You're in the national. Football games always a running joke that we're getting ready to labor on labor day. I i will see you on thursday night for the finale of the rams preseason appreciate you coming on. Thanks guys asked kirk morning show. This is much better bangor. This is what i'm talking about. Happy birthday to sean connery eighty nine years old. Today joins boned bond smart person. You guys think which on yes or anything else i think at the saturday night live skit jeopardy was was a pretty good skid lamb. I think did <hes> the connery there. Yeah your favorite bond actor oh you too. He's pretty good. He's he's the first james bond actually like kick. Somebody's ass well. He's the first guy connery countries a little bit like this but the guys as between connery up until daniel craig. We're all a little roger. Moore was smooth. He did octopussy all to smooth roger moore and pierce brosnan rosen and timothy dalton for half a minute all of those guys. There was a george lazenby who i think they've owner to <hes>. They're all a little soft to be yes. Yes and that's what i mean like. Daniel wasn't right but daniel craig actually physically like he could beat her ass like it looked he he like one of those. Do you looking at. I'm not going to mess with that and that's what you want. James bond to be in addition to the other stuff plus with the way that eroded rutted recently. Do you actually realize it's actually a toll. That's taken when you live that line. Yeah those yeah. He just kept running around meeting. People killing killing people. I'm more had a better body count though he was getting auto girls there was actually a better toll taken on him emotionally better bond villain jaws. Yes there you go. That's the right answer. That was the one for me you know. He was in moon raker and the man with the golden gun. I think oh an roger moore made love i in space. No one ever did that. That's moon raker. Yeah see that's why roger moore is my body count movie at a different body count terrible terrible aroma gadgets though right no one's a gal. That's what that's what. I thought it was cool. That people are no he. He had all sorts of everything. Everything exploded watches. Glasses did stuff so antonio brown loses his grievance his let me be his second grievous so he's going to have to play with one of the new helmets and it looks like he's finally turned the page on that but that was not the end of the antonio brown news for the weekend. This is more ben rothlisberger but he regrets his antonio brown criticism. That quote ruined a friendship rothlisberger said. I wish i wouldn't have done it because we saw what happened. In obviously obviously it ruined a friendship. I just got caught up in the heat of the battle. See here's the problem bent year not a super good guy. They have a long and very undistinguished resume of being a bad guy so this wasn't just you know what i got caught caught up in the heat of the battle. I wanted to win. Tony was going to help us win. He wasn't there. I couldn't count on him and i was angry at him so i said something this. Is you just doing what you've been doing. Since you got into this league being a bad guy i don't know if he could be a bad guy and they still could have been friends like mutually exclusive. I don't know none of us really know there. Actually were france dance but i do know this. He probably just went through a couple of games in the preseason looked out there and was like oh where's eighty-four wake. You laughed that part part so if there's going to be gretz i would assume that's when regrets kick it like he probably wasn't my sitting around trying to figure out man. We're gonna have a beer with author who man i'm watching. This rerun of olympus has fallen. I wish av was her. I don't think it was like that but i do believe he's been going out there looking at the town in gomaa yeah juju but there it gets fairly thin after training tonio brown we can talk about the frostbite defeat all the other whacky stuff that he gets involved in and okay fine you we can talk about how detrimental that is to the team and and at the end of the day he's the best wide receiver in football football or very close to it. You can put michael thomas and julio jones and aby no hat and let me pick lasts than i'm going to be happy with. Whoever get doesn't matter but now he's gone and so so. I don't doubt that the ben rothlisberger has regrets that antonio brown is now in oakland with the raiders but this idea and ben rothlisberger is one of those guys is that let's put it a different way. Have you ever heard one of his teammates rave about him. Have have you ever heard one of his teammates. Just go on honesty nonsense. Let's see the his rookie year second year which is probably when he was on his best behavior 'cause he was a rookie or second year. Guy you here luke tom. Brady's one of the most famous athletes that there is his teammates weights love him you look at some of these other guys that are really good players across the league their teammates speak highly of him quarterbacks really good and not just being over here being the face of the franchise but but also being one of the guys when they need to be this is something ben rothlisberger is always kind of been that guy that's on his own program and not one of the guys i wonder if it's the hypocrisy of it all well you know he he likes position self as a very spiritual if not outright religious kind of person and yet contained to get himself in trouble that she would necessarily align yourself itself. Brennan christianity says he practice and many people are just they see throughout the season hypocrisy and it just like go and do whatever they're going to be an interesting team. Did you get to see them at all last night against ten preseason game so it didn't really matter with you if i didn't have to watch the rams. I probably have never wash preseason game because at this point i'm just convince none of this matters will doesn't sean sean mcvay proved that point right. I mean sure it doesn't matter and we've gone from. Hey is this a good idea to this is is what sean mcvay does to oh by the way sean mcvay kill the preseason and the answer is eight definitive. Absolutely i watched some washed mccotter murray <hes> <hes> look better look better look better while he completed a couple of pass yeah. I was gonna say so but that'd the preseason has become even worse than the n._b._a. Preseason in because of these in the n._b._a. Preseason you look and you go there are lease athletes that she recognize from college who may show up in play and blah blah blah blah blah like alonzo ball a couple years ago stuff like that but in football. It's a guy going back and gross weights next week. Keyshawn finally have enough of the bids find out next on the morning show happy birthday elvis costello elsie. Yes sixty five years old today. He too is an icon on someone's list sure glasses. He does have the grass. Do you know any elvis costello song this one which is pumping up pump it up. He sees sure told me the the name song. I would have no chance but you've seen the look on my face when the music comes on and i don't know it i at least knew that this was elvis costello out having a look at the list that doesn't happen very famous is the first name wasn't elvis yeah. This song had a minute. I wouldn't know who he was elsie. You wouldn't know no because i remember the first i was like a kid like i wonder if he's related. You know i it's his first name but just that's the name was pete costello. We wouldn't be talking about him and i'm just wondering. I don't think we're not larry. Cuss tell l. something like bob costs but you know we do think about the traffic all right l. Let's start with a major league baseball topic specifically a dodger topic g the dodgers and the yankees aside for a second but in the series this weekend cody bellinger was one for ten with a single and no r._b._i.'s his batting average on the season is down to three twelve. Cody bellinger will hit three hundred for the year. Take shake. I'm gonna take it because as we've pointed out multiple times they've now gone through the toughest part of their schedule. I'm looking ahead and i see a whole lot of softballs in his future feature an opportunity to get his groove back and with the groove comes to increase in a batting average he salvages three hundred this season. He'll finished second in the m._v._p. Voting april he had four four sixteen. May he hit three nineteen june. He hit two seventy two july. He hit two sixty five and in august he sitting to thirty five that is down every single month yeah but you know what what have you did very quickly. Another one on cody bellinger cody bellinger is still going to win the national league e take note by just said he's going to finish second his opportunity to lock it up. I think went away with every bad swing. He took over the series. You need these moments to stick in our minds because right now we see the dodgers as a unstoppable team and and he is losing the separation from the other great seasons that the other players are having in large part because what you're saying with his batting average here's why he is going to win it because the brewers might miss the playoffs offs. If the brewers miss the playoffs and christian yelich is enabled to put them in and right now. I wanna see two games out of a wildcard spot. Then cody bellinger is going to get it and i don't want to say by default because he's had a great season. He's already driven over one hundred runs. He's got a chance to become the first dodger l. a. dot to hit fifty home runs so he's got a chance to do that and if if bellinger excuse me if yelich in the brewers don't make the playoffs bellinger's gonna win it all right next one jimmy. G. had a good weekend better better weekend. Everything is good in san francisco. Jimmy g. is the man in san francisco. Take it or shake it shake. It shake it. He's a man but i'm not. I'm not doing it to throw shade but when your team mates see you do what you've done over the course of practice defy consist of interceptions interceptions you complete your first game back and you just showed up. You just got there like so it's not i think it's not like andrew luck and they know what you can do when you're right they. I don't know what you can do really can do what you right 'cause. You hadn't been there long enough to establish that. I don't think he's as on solid ground. Some people would like to think he is because of his contract i you did. This is one of those things that sometimes you see something. You don't agree with kind of get why we got here. I don't buy it but i get it. I don't get jimmy g. thing. I don't get it. He had a very very brief. <hes> phil enroll with tom. Brady where he played well he came over to san francisco and played reasonably well at the end of the season in games that really were not very meaningful all at all. There's no data points to lead me to believe that he's a great quarterback in this league and he's paid like one. He's paid near the top of the list. That doesn't make any sense sense. This is not one that i just don't disagree. I don't get it at all. Can i give you some some some go his q._b._r. Over his last six games was exact same q._b._r. Of columnists six games season. Did you just call caller. Nicole guy like brad fragile. Lena talking about cabinet decided switch to have a little bit andrew of course. We know <hes> retired from the n._f._l. This weekend but the story broke in the middle middle of the game that the colts were playing. He was on the sideline. The game ends. He's walking into the locker. Let him have it booted. Andrew lucked deserved to be booed by the colts fans. Take it shake shake it. Oh shake you weren't raise right there. Sportsman's would you don't care. You are a colts fan. I'm assuming you are because you had a preseason coats game and only chew fast which prompted to begin with you know what that man has been through. Why why are you booing him. He heard it too. Here's andrew luck. I'd be lying if i didn't say i heard the reaction yeah it hurt. I'll be honest shop at her of course of course it hurt. This is a guy that literally has given his body to that organization theoretically that city and when he decided he just can't do this anymore you sock. Doc is probably not the first thing you want to hear. No and you know what i will bet you. The every single person that booed would run like crazy easy to andrew luck says can i talk to you for second. They were turn and run the other way so start with others fate twitter toughness start with all this boy from a distance stuff. Mcnamara got a necessary tough guy. Be a human being for one. You didn't put honestly i will say this. I expected absolutely nothing different for and not just from colt fans but from sports fans my. I'm one of them okay i. I'm we've talked about before. I'm not a buro under any circumstances. I know you do but other than a complete lack of effort. I'm not going to boo but i i have zero expectations people doing the right thing in the right moment. None especially sports fans boo boo davis in his face. I would not turn it run. Clayton kershaw. I right cam. Newton is gonna play opening sunday against the rams. Take it or shake it and we'll take you take it because i do believe believe that he's gonna be healthy. Come opening day but what. I don't believe that he's going to be great. I don't believe that. I don't believe it's going to have a very good season. I'm not on board. A key sean is i think we see the best cam and i think there's a there's a book out on. 'em people know what to do to disrupt them. I haven't seen any changes in his game to change changed to where that he's being defended and our defense. I know people like to think that we stunk it up. In the super bowl our defense tom brady three points to four and a half go three and a half years our defensive legit so he's gonna look very very much like clark. Kent now like superman another rams topic the rams open in carolina <hes> they they come back to the coliseum and week to to take on the saints and drew brees and then their third game of the season is at cleveland against the browns sunday night football. The rams open opened their season three now. Take it shake. Shake it taking. I got two and one i got to one. I think that we actually ended up losing the cleveland taking that's the one you think they drive. That's the way trump because that's the one that you can. You look at but you're not really looking at. Obviously we start the season. You're very focused. You wanna start on a good note this game against new orleans. Oh you best to play because of the narrative. That's been written about how you soon being slow to begin with but can you can you imagine them then going to cleveland. Facing the team hasn't done anything forever and a day overlooking them not playing their best and possibly losing that game. I can see that look. I don't think this is how it's gonna go but there is a scenario where they open three off because you go on the road first of all they're playing in that early window and say what you want that west coast team to play at ten o'clock in the morning is always a little tricky and by the way carolina's pretty good cam newton's a pretty dangerous guy so you're on the road road against a good quarterback early in the morning who knows what's going to happen. I'd like the rams in that game but it could go the other way new orleans if you know shock at all where they lost the saints and then cleveland like you said this is going to be a team that is absolutely peaking. It's sunday night football. It's a chance for them to kinda show out nationally for the first time this season and the rams rams defending n._f._c. championship. They're going to be hyped for that. I don't think they're opening three but if it happened i would not be shocked. We'll see tha- that's my have that being the game they lose because if they startup owen to there's no way they're going to cleveland and then losing that one too. They're not doing that so if worst they'll be one into. I don't think there'll be over in three. That's right chris. That's right. Take it or shake. It always made possible by blue b. l. u. E. choo choo and apple dot com use the promo code seven ten. You just pay five dollars shipping. You can try. I blue change their world and jewett and do it.

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"Bedale podcast is brought to you by the new Capital One saver card or four percent cashback on dining entertainment two percent at grocery stores. One percents on all purchases. What's in your wallet? DC's the Dan lebatardshow with Stu got spot Cass. Cleft palate Cunningham. Club foot Charlie Chapman yesterday. If you did not hear the show we longed for the day when you can make fun of a man's deformities in baseball in the early nineteen hundreds. Although I think we may have had it wrong might because I feel like you can also in two thousand nineteen make jokes about fingers lost to firecrackers like fingers if three fingers Brown Mordechai three fingers Brown. I think that is actually something that can happen in two thousand nineteen put it on the poll Guillermo would Mordechai three fingers Brown be named three fingers in two thousand eighteen like we could get away with four fingers three. That's an interesting. That's an interesting point you made. And it makes me think of the time that we didn't know how many fingers. Pierre Paul Jason Pierre Paul had it was in a sports center update. You can't play this sound enough. Because I love the juxtaposition of serious journalism news update with the facts being explain what was the name of the guy is Kevin winter. I always want to make a Dave Revzin. Well, let's I missed Dave revson that was wanna make Dave reps. It three fingers nickname was also minor three fingers such a better nickname than minor minor minor like minor like a coal miner minor like a young person. No, minor league a coal miner. Maybe that's how he lost the finger. No. I know exactly how we had a side job. It was a lawn mowing incident. You did they have lawnmowers back. Wait a minute. Wait, are you making that up? But know what I read was he was like on our invented Atty here. I mean, there was the old school one that there so manual ones that you. You can just you know, they're inefficient. I think you're right though. I think that the lawnmower had been discovered by the time that Mordecai Brown was pitching eighteen thirty wasn't discovered. It wasn't like, you know, invented yet. I'm sorry. Thank you, Billy important correction there. It wasn't anybody. It wasn't Columbus happening upon a lawnmower. Thank you that we stole from the Indians. Thank you, Billy. I appreciate bringing everything to what is this. Commas symbols sating machete to juggle a John Deere doing this Fischetti. What kind of correction was that to make letting back probably unnecessary? Listen the Kevin winter. Giants owner John Mara. Who also today said he doesn't how many fingers JP has. Amazing really rubs it. It will never stopped being funny. Also, funny, Jordan bell man, we have to God to the day. Tell me you guys have heard this story. Have you guys heard the story? I don't even want you to look it up stir guys. I want to tell you I want guy. Oh, you what the story is? If you have not heard this story, the Golden State Warriors season of, hey, we're still kind of the best and in first place, but we've had a series of disasters has a disaster. And that no one could have seen coming which is that Jordan bell. Who is a player that you know, about only because the warriors have made him a player that you know, about what suspended for one game. Because does anyone in the room know this story? No one in the room knows this story. I think it's from the athletic. He was charging things to Mike Brown's hotel Rupe? Oh, no. I mean. Oh, yes. It is. We found the NBA Stu, and it wasn't the first time. Evidently that it happens. Steve Kerr doesn't want to talk about it in any way. Except that they've suspended him a game, reportedly, according to the athletic because when it came time to put things on the hotel Bill Jordan bell was hitting the assistant coach with. Put it on the brand. Stan I think we now understand why Alvin gentry left. Why Luke Walton left? Are you kidding me? An NBA player. What did he sign for? Did. He not sign wasn't there a five million dollar signing involving Jordan bell because Chicago was interested in having him and people were questioning whether or not Golden State should even be allowed to have. It was at Meccano McCall was out there. I think as a a two year two point one nine three million dollar contract. So I'm guessing my brand probably's worth a lot more serious. Jordan valley found does make more money than Jordan bell. God. Can we get Mike Brown? Not that big a deal. I've actually done that. I did it's my aunt. We used to go to the fourth of July and Yankee clipper, which was a hotel out on Fort Lauderdale beach. We used to go every year fourth of July multiple years, and I was like eleven or twelve I'd go down to the deli. They're asked what room number Ambani's room? You've done it to somebody else. I've had it done to me. I believe the defensive lineman's name from the university of Miami was marked Caesar. I didn't understand why. He wanted to spend as much time with me as he was spending. And it's because he wanted to get my room number and when I checked out good God good God. I mean, he must have had a lobster and crab feast in his hotel room for everyone at scores. Oh boy. I do it. Every time I go on vacation. You prowl the lobby date if you jump okay? For eight minutes, it could pay for an entire ski trip has anyone in our show have any of you ever grabbed something that room service left outside. Oh, man, judging you because you're using your up French fries. No. Because it reminds me of the Mark Caesar stuff. I'm remembering that entire trip. I remember I remember, Dan. Did you do that? I did do that. Oh, man. Eight a slice of pizza. Oh, really understand like, you know, a lonely little fry but a whole slice of pizza. I man I've been drinking the well. No. I was gonna say it sounds like a sober decision. Was this the food that I thought a magical pizza ferry had appeared. And giving me the exact thing that I wanted from it was this a leftover food that they didn't want. Now, it wasn't a bit and piece of pizza. I don't know whether it was getting there or it was leaving there. I'm telling you that the pizza was full when it was there was a full pizza, and I grabbed again. Was there a glass an empty glass on the tray was her? There was a lot of food that I had to actually go and lift up the box to see that. There was something in this piece of warm. No, it was not warm. Wait, a second you lifted up the box. I had the lift up. The look I'm not proud of any of this. You guys have cornered me into it. I know I sort of volunteered it. I was gonna put it on Mark Caesar. But now I gotta own. Well, it can't be both. Then we can force you into it. No I under. I didn't offer it up. Mike saw clearly threw me said I was only bringing it up because I had done. It. The pizza is d- most obvious missing piece of any meal. Like, there's no way that you get a pizza that looks like a pacman one time. I went I got takeout from a very large pizza company. I went and I got takeout. I got to the car I opened it. And there was a slice clearly missing. And I turned around and drove back like, five blocks. I go to the manager. Yeah. Went back. Why? Yeah. Time for tough the Manson's been compromised. Yeah. So I go back, and I go and I walk in. And I go to the manager. They're like, oh is there a problem? And I I was so angry. I didn't even say I just opened the thing and the manager saya goes again. And then she went and started screaming at the employees. I loved that. The most confident you that is the closest you will ever be Jason state a minimum you showing up confident the pizza place not saying a word. Just opening your pizza box to reveal your flawed contaminated pizza. I can't believe it that Gerald is presenting the quarterly budget report with finger puppets. Look here comes a one point seven percent decrease in fixed overhead. Hello, everybody. No. I can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on car insurance. Geico. You projected increase in organic Khukri revenue. Believe it. Geico could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Donlevatar what I've chosen to do. For a living is stupid. I've dedicated my life to swimming in a pool of stupidities. Stugatz. Was the perfect career choice. For me. These live at our show with his two guys on ESPN radio needs to a game down though, the vivid seats app and enter promo code champs at checkout to get ten percent off your first order don't buy just any seat get vivid C D, Dan lebatardshow is brought to you by. Wendy's proud sponsor of the two thousand nineteen John r wooden player of the year. All right. We got bear grill is going to join us here in fifteen minutes. Grills sorry on man. I pronounced that. On television is grill. Is it looks like religious? Forgive me. Bear Grylls is gonna join us in fifteen minutes. Great name believable name. But does that a fine? Do I get fine. How it phonetically? Looks like it should be grilling action. Bronson gonna join us at twelve thirty. So we're not even going to pretend to cover sports today. I love bear Grylls, Dan. Do you love bear grew? I enjoy his law. What's the veteran? Name bear Grylls our action Bronson. I main. Well, that's a good question. Right. They'll put it on the poll. Guillermo, choose a better action star in one of that has action as a first name. What is the name? What is the better name a bear Grylls action Bronson? You did acting rails grill. Zapped. If I had one person Dan that I would want with me on an island or a deserted situation. It would be bear Grylls. But when talking about this morning because this is the conversations we have doing show prep when talking about this morning. I realize he's probably not a good person because after two weeks or so he'd probably kill me and eat me to stay alive. What we'll ask him that in fifteen minutes who would be the person the your personal wilderness. Macgyver, who would who would just fix everything for you? Because you're not equipped to fix everything because he seems like he could survive well on naked and afraid. Yeah. I would trust Ron McGill because I would also trust them to not eat me. Yeah. But eventually he's going to get hungry. My he's a big meat eater. And he loves his he loves to eat steak. Yeah. But he's sacrificed himself. So that some line or something wouldn't die. I don't need that one. I'm trying to survive. I don't need Ron throwing my body to animals to keep them safe. When he's protecting me. So bear Grylls is gonna join us in fifteen minutes. He's amazing stories, right? He's got to. He's got to have stories that are nice bear Grylls. No, I understand. But how would you explain who he is to people who don't watch his show with never seen? What it is that? He does. I mean, how would you explain it to he's not an adventure? He's a total bad ass. He can get out of any situation. No matter how perilous it seems. He's never in any trouble. He went you should ask him. He went and did one of these shows with beast mode like he was going with marshawn Lynch and he survived like three or four days. I heard we'll see if it's true or not. But I had heard that he was offered something where he could have just traveled the world a television show, traveling the world with marshawn Lynch that would have been amazing. Marshawn Lynch is so funny like he was great on the show with him. He kept trying to sneak skittles. And I think bear Grylls like where did you get those from? We weren't supposed to bring those essentials only in his this isn't essential thing. You know, the show's called hostile nation or hostile plan to something like that. There was a bit of confusions solemin cleared up for you. So you don't run into the same situation. I thought he was going around traveling and he's staying in hostels and reviewing them. Not what this show is. If you don't know them by name, and I don't even think they are knows noses name if you've ever been on an airplane, and then you've seen Joseph Gordon Levitt for whatever reason setting up a tent in the middle of nowhere. And he's with a guy. He's the guy that Joseph Gordon, Levitt swit-. Why would you have seen that we show because they added the new layer to it which is used to be just dropped bear Grylls in the middle of nowhere and see if he can live now, they're like, hey, let's drop them there with marshawn Lynch Joseph, Gordon Levitt or Lena Headley from game of thrones will Farrell did an episode with him too. I think they had a drink p the episode. They will Ferrell did. Should we go through the marshawn Lynch file here? I'd like to clean out the marshawn Lynch file just so that I can hear the one sound that I associate with marshawn Lynch from our show. I think it's courtesy of Showtime if I'm not mistaken because marshawn Lynch, we believe to be one of the great interviews that you will find anywhere because very few people. Very few people are as authentic in front of a camera themselves. He's actually gotten to find a real cool place with young people's to gots because he is an older athlete, but young people love him because he seems more authentic than the rest. And usually when you're little too often dick that doesn't fly so much was Orza America. A he lit what appeared to be a blunt off the flaming at the raiders stadium. You guys told me I was fooled by the internet on that one. You guys told him that that was a photo shop I felt for did that happen or did it not happen? Did indeed marshawn Lynch light a blunt? I want to know not saying definitively. It was a blunt in. It's what it looked like from Al Davis attornal. You know, black and mild been anything. So go ahead and plays a Carrillo found of Swisher. Sweet. Can you please put on the poll the sound of marshawn Lynch explaining his running style? If you just run through somebody face, a lot of people ain't going to be able to take that over and over and over and over and over again, they just not gonna want that because the deeper metaphor there brought to face. Listen, give sixteen minutes. Sports. Those words spoken by the only man you've ever seen break ten tackles in a playoff game. And then fly into the end zone grabbing his junk that is the only time we've ever seen that in the history of the league, not likely to be duplicated. In fact, put it on the podium at lebatardshow will we ever again, see a run in professional football that breaks ten tackles and ends with grabbing your package in the end zone because I believe that era ended with his grabbing of that back. We got update this poll. We've got an update the polls from yesterday at target show on Instagram and Twitter. We've got an update polls in general. We've got an update our tournament. Like, we got our tournament update were falling behind on this. You want to do that next or you just want to make fun of Jordan? Delo, I thought what I wanna do is speak to bear Grylls next. Okay. It'll be next. What do you want to update? These show aim free time for some ads list. I'm going to do that during the interview, right? Not donlevatar risk reward of going into the woods by yourself, you die or you. See some trees, I'm not going to die to go. See some trees. Stugatz. Isn't a me. You've seen one you've seen them. All okay. There's no special. That is true. This is nonsense. SEC live at our show with stugatz on ESPN radio. You don't see this resume very much this item on any resume led the first unassisted crossing of the frozen North Atlantic Ocean in an open rigid inflatable boat. So that's and it's very low on his resume. There are other things that people are going to enjoy hearing about bear Grylls with us on ESPN RA Radio Net GIO series hostile planet premieres Monday, April first at nine pm and stugotz has the first question because we were just arguing about during the break. And I think he's the only one who can answer. It's go ahead and ask him the question we were arguing about bear. I wanna know from this group who has the worst survival skills. Zach f- Ron Ben Stiller Dion Sanders, Channing Tatum, Kate Hudson. Drew Brees, Ed Helms, Michael b Jordan and President Barack Obama for you answer that Barone. Thank you for being with us any guesses in the back room because. Stugatz was guessing Stiller. And edged Helms had him in come on. He's got to be awful. Appearances. But I'd goes back Ephron has, you know, pretty boy, I go Bama because he's used to live in that highlife. I mean, all these people are all right bear. So now, you're here to settle the dispute. Thank you for joining us. A who's got the worst survival skills of that list? Hey, guys. Yeah. Nice. Be with the do, you know? The thing is those those are few of running wild casts that'd be lucky enough to take into the into the back country. If you times and one thing I've learned is. I'm always always loyal to those guys who put that life in my hands. And you know, join me for these adventure. So I'd never I'd never do any of them down old of them in the Rhine, right genuine, even being such good people. And I think one of the mice improved survival qualities and someone is, you know, a willingness to go the extra mile and do the difficult kind of things even when it's not your natural habitats. And the truth is all of these guys were way out of that come in. And and but willingly wanted to go there. And that's how we all grow. I think I think Dion sound is. I'll always have a little got a special place in my heart because he was he was the first one we have a date, and I think we really pushed him the next year over the years and over the seasons we've learned to kind of. You know, maybe shrink the Jenny's a little bit. And and you know, we didn't have to pay people absolutely to the edge of existence. The Dion definitely gone. The dial turned up to ten and I saw right interview with him the other day when he was all about his experience on running wild. And he just was just oh my God. It was the worst ever done because all. I think is he wasn't joking. You know? So he he was a fun guy. But hey, all of those guys to hey rights shows. I'm really proud of. And the thing is a while gives people that sense of pride and come that you come by. And that's the magic pot of of running wild. And and what I got to do bear before you came on the show. You're waiting for you because you were in an elevator. And your phone wasn't working where the stairs broken today. Yeah. Yeah. I'm we were on the thirtieth. Flu. Yeah. It's I've had my excite today. Is is good. Only kid Billy of all the things to aunt ask the Scott like there are many things to ask this guy. That's what you ask. Well, the thing is Dan, I don't want to upset him. But last question took them five minutes to answer. So if I ask him which celebrity you wanted to let die. Really, really, Billy. I mean. But you're right bear Grylls with us on ESPN radio. What was the deal with marshawn Lynch, how close did you? What happened? What happened? Are you kicking them out? Chris Chris wants to let guys it was awful. Like, he's a terrible interview day. Go just kick them out like an impossibly lead question. Bad go walk into the ocean. So bear Grylls with us on ESPN radio marshawn Lynch when you were how close were you to actually doing an adventure show with marshawn Lynch? Well, we did it that was a great ecocide. And the thing is I didn't I didn't nice I much about him beforehand. And it was almost like. You know, what did they say about English two nations divided by coming language, or whatever, you know? It was not he can't standings. And I I just couldn't understand what he was saying. And then obviously saying things go what are you on about this? The thing is we had a great time. And we had you know, so much fun enough to its people. P seventy people come out to me in the streets about that one. It's funny, but well, a great guy and and beef mode is no laughing method. Well, I thought I thought that you were actually offered something do I have it wrong that you are Aki now. Now, you say, you're right. It is they say off to his NBC said, look if you wanted to host series of episodes taking him around the world doing stuff, you've got it. I know. I know we're kind of I love it. But I think we're going to stay because that would be a great show put it on the poll, Chris since we kicked Billy out and he's walking to the ocean at lebatardshow. Would you watch a season long series of bear Grylls walking around the world with marshawn Lynch bear? Is it true that you want jump from sixteen thousand feet and your parachute did not open. Well, I had a malfunction with a parachute that writ. And I it was also serving in the military, and I brought my back in three places. So that was a duck time for me. But that was you know, before the TV staff and well so soldier, but I was really lucky at the same time. You know, I had amazing treatment, and I recovered I spent eighteen months in military rehabilitation strapped up in braces. And all of that stuff and slowly go strong again, and we'll be forever grateful for the treatment. I got there and the good people around me, and you tell us if it's uncomfortable, please I'll move on. But can you tell us what those moments were like because I can't imagine that you've been a lot more scared than that. Given all the perilous situations you've been. Yeah. That just happened really fast. It was getting dunk we rival southern Africa. And you know, I I thought I could sort it out in time. And it just you know, I've ran out of time. But you know, I might have had a lot of big injuries over the as from breaking my shoulder, and and talk to him breaking legs up in the taken you name it. So I let back with you know, I feel really lucky to be alive from multiple things, and you know, Shaq and croc attacks and snake bites and you name it and pinned him why we'll to Rapids and down crevasses on Everest. And you know, I look back with a huge craft achieve that. I'm still around. I've got much smell to and hopefully I've years and developed a good instinct of you know, I think experiences some of on the MRs isn't it unites? So I've got pretty good over the as and my job now is to keep these guys people. I'm running wild safe and. Give them great great experience their grills with us on ESPN radio there. I was wondering if you have any rational fears because you're the super brave guy. But I was wondering if like a seagull flies by you. You can't you just can't deal with it. I you know, I I never feel. I am a super brave guy. You know, really? I'm just somebody who's I was brought up doing this stuff. I try and through the British special forces in combat survival sausage become a skill. But I think it means it's an easy yet to face difficult things. I still say that fair a lot, you know, I fill up to skydive. I love my job. I find that really difficult after my accident. But you know, I I do it. And as it was a hand from one of the career shoulder when that door opens them about ago and still filming and it's like, you know, all of us in our lives face difficult things most days, and you just go to I think Len and remind fells and the best way rough as is straight through the middle. Keep walking tools him don't run for the difficult things and you develop a muscle light. Not you develop, you know, resilience inside that if you're not you just go to kind of keep focused and it with heart and so commit to things, but I'm I feel a fail. Then you worry about that. Yeah. I'm afraid of frogs bear Grylls with he called nine one one on a frog. He did he called nine one one. It was a big big frog in his driveway. He's not joking bedroom that Geos series hostile planet premieres Monday, April first, nine PM. I will ask him about that in a second. But I've got a bunch of questions here for you. I need to go rapid fire because Billy ruined. The interview the worst bite you've ever suffered is blank. Snake bite. What kind of snake? Well, luckily, it was a it was a well as vita, but it was a non venomous bites. I got lucky. Give us the reason that you hosted a dinner party suspended below a hot air balloon twenty five thousand feet in the air bear Grylls. Well, we're trying to break break record for the highest hyphen that didn't and we rate he money fed disadvantaged children in the price asset, and it was a. Yeah. It was good mission safer scary. Safe or scary dinner party hosting a dinner party suspended from a hot air balloon. What was the first one safe or scary faith? No scary. That one you know, his mind is forty five degrees on June suspended onto this thing. The love of the United that was big I wrong that but good team again. And yeah, we got lucky manage it just about the and he doesn't do safe. I know, but that's crazy. Why did you ro naked in a homemade bathtub? That was raising money for a friend of mine who lost his leg, and we were trying to raise money for a great new processing. And so we raise we ride in about twenty five miles down the river tents. And we did it we go this leg. He's grateful to this day these scariest encounter bear Grylls has ever had with an animal is blank. So would a crocodile northern territory. It's about stray Leah. Yeah. Very nearly didn't walk away from that one. Got your grabbed you? SM minimum to the way. Okay. All right because okay. And that and that was going to be a death blow like what happened there? How'd you end up in that situation, if they get if they get hold of you and your collects the Wolfson, you're toast? You know, they get you in the mood to and then letting in that drown you Rowley sticky under log way, Peter rot. Rip me limb flame swallow you down. So yet choose your battles in the wild. So it would across you know, you're not gonna win don't get cooled get in the water unless you can see it. It's like Mick Cronin. Dan. This guy is unbelievable. You should watch net GO series hostile planet premieres Monday, April first nine pm to got we've got an announcement to make with stugatz and premier he's making on Monday as well bear tell us about hostile planet while you're excited about it. When it's probably the, you know, the the biggest natural history show seven be made thirteen hundred days of filming tomato saying, it's really shying, Jack how extreme life. It's animals right on the edge. And you know, we may have seen blue planet and planet a to this takes it to the next level. And it is pretty shocking viewing of these animals by predator and prey have to deal with the United. We go Jaguars pulling crocodiles out of the WTA put a bad hunting for Wales. You know, it's just unbelievable some of the footage, and I'm super proud of this bear, we enjoyed talking to you. Good luck with the show. Thank you for sharing your time with us. We'll the best guys they say take. All right. Sorry about Billy's question. Donlevatar? I feel terrible. Here's thing with you. You don't actually feel terrible. I didn't feel thank you know. You don't really care. I know you announcing I feel terrible. As just your way to move onto the next terrible thing, you're gonna do. Stugatz. They're just words and words. Nothing. They don't mean. Nothing. His words me words. Nothing words are just transitions to your next lie. That's so right. They're not words. They are bridges to lies. This is live with our show with his two guys on ESPN radio. We've got some strange office dynamics around here, we don't have nearly enough supervision. I just got a text from amino Hassen. And this is how I learned that he was doing the show with us today. I did not know that he was here. Because usually when people are doing the show with us, they show up on time, the text I get is from amino Hassen, I'm sitting. Yes. Sitting in the hotel shower, we've got a hotel shower right here. The clevelander we've got a room very few people use the shower. It's usually just a place where people don't use the shower. Why is it mean all has it? We've got to find out. Why is he not here did Miami get him is it south beach flu situation? Why is it mean Alhassan sitting in the shower unable? To come down here and work with us before we get to that though. And I want to get the answer to that. Chris can you please tell me what's going on with billion Alison back there? I always want to get their bickering on air. What has happened back there? Because billy. It's the first time I've seen him. He seems to be a little scared of Allison and a bitter. Shame. Well, because we can be kinda crazy around here and kind of gets a little protective of the gets as she should because we should be respectful and Billy was a big fat jerk to the guests last segment. So she got a little I've rarely seen. He wasn't saying much. It was just I've rarely seen her this angry that has raged for Alison whatever it is that she was holding back. Alison, what's happening? Can you? Please explain to me what's happening with you. And Billy because I've rarely seen you that mad and I bought any number of interviews. I mean, Billy is entire existence as a run on sentence for him to jump in that interview and blast the guy for talking. I mean where you of all people cannot criticize run on sentence. Listen, I got a little too. We'll come back tomorrow he'll still vs. All I got a little too comfortable with bare all admit that. I was rude. I probably cross line actually admire him. Now, he couldn't he couldn't land the plane as you would say like we didn't even get an answer. At the end of the five minutes. I'm not making Davis. He gave us Dion Sanders. He didn't want to give us an answer. But he gave us an answer along laws. So really, though Allison's right about this Billy? You're going to criticize anybody for not answering a question directly and being long winded. Well, she's very protective of the guests, and she often run into this usually because of something you've said or stugatz is said to a guest that puts her in a really bad spot. And I've heard the frustrations. And then I did that exact thing. I haven't been able to listen cooking fast. She is standing over you staring at you glaring smoldering. And you cannot look in the face. You look like a dog whose face has been putting the poop on the carpet. Well, because I know what I've done like, I know exactly what I've done and there's no defensive. I mean, he's talking. It was bad. It was bad in number of different ways bad question poorly asked and then at the end of it after he's giving the you're not happy, and you lash out and said of it yourself at him for his answer while he's sitting there, but as a producer it did turn that interview around he stopped being long winded. That's true. Wow. A defensive this Mike is looking at Allison when he makes the defense Billy is still looking away. From Allison little scared to it was the funniest part of the interview, we can agree money. I was screaming get off my plane get off my plane over and over again, and it wasn't going to happen. So I kind of did it with my words, which wasn't wise. All right. So where is this going to end because I've never seen you this. Scared of Alison I've never seen. Alison, this angry anybody with me dead in a jungle problem. She's been this angry at me. Okay. I haven't seen it on her face. Are we worried about amino Hassett, Mike like what is the answer to this? He just had too much drink Lassen knock on the hotel room door. Was he supposed to be here at ten AM eastern? He was supposed to be here at ten AM Easter. I find out why amino hasn't is sobbing naked in the shower of though, tell next.

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Episode 108 l " If She Don't Try To Come See Me During Quarantine, I'm Done"

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Episode 108 l " If She Don't Try To Come See Me During Quarantine, I'm Done"

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He'd be saying stuff and like he said he wants us to get back to work in the stuff and a little doctor. I'd be weighed on me was like I. I don't think I don't believe he took them. Tad took that test last week. He said he said Yeah. He said he He was negative now but I don't believe that he he got Ya. He Sang A. He's way too long Bro. But if he had you think he'll tell us like you. Honestly you honestly think over fucking tyler. It's no wonder why nobody out. Yeah it's like if I president got it. We've heard so that was this report. That was the name Kim Yong. What's what's the North Korean leader. Kim Yang some can kill. You can says the big range of Kim. His sister came four and said that trump actually wrote a letter to him and was wanting help with him with this corona virus since North Korea has reported a single case. Wow and there's conspiracy theorists with that that or is that not only solve. Korea has reported not normally but I'm not gonNA get into that so he is wrote him so his sister said you know he's random letters saying you know the team with this and show him being respectful towards him and stop and just like Bro. It's my fugger led totally said that he had basically a gift coming our way for the shit that we did because we killed when his leaders and you kiss. That's not a good look for us. It's not it's not at all. It's not a good look. He got paid back on his mind. Coming our way now. Utah by doing over there. I thought about this because he probably over down with bitches. Were patrolling for sure. Age one the focus an email. He wrote me a house geared to be the ride. Somebody emails for days wrote me. A letter he wrote to pin depends mainly it was like seven days. I don't even know where to spam from one. I'll bet it wasn't overnight. Delivery MERRILL MEAL. He wrote me a letter which disassociates. I'm writing you a letter number four page letter. I knew a lot of Iraqi would kiss dipping INC cursive who old-timey this saint seventeen seventy six. He got the letter. The scroll by bird raw are trying to save money. You got to you you. Please send him. Oh man no. I didn't know anything about that. I had to learn for the well actually people I don't know if he emailed dead or what but she brought up a letter okay. We're having she. She say this or yeah. He's he's sent he center. Where actually shot up? Just fucking liar. Oh we need to introduce ourselves man. You know who we are though do they. Don't they are so you knew listeners? Man We are I am Billy Ellis AK Two Black Tiger expert AKA MR two sacks of AK Billy Riley Aka a billy gunn. Mr Is list to ask to be exactly the views on offer. Now I did it thank you we appreciate it because I will say. I don't take muscle to seriously. I got many nicknames out here too but besides me other person building Mr Pun got very got to. You can't do that. You can elise if you want to add another. You could at least bring it back and say Aka Mr Three Weeks Aka listed. Three weeks is funny. Also got about this shit. You can listen to a lot of our old podcast lot Joe after this after because you know. Yeah 'cause Pandemics going back and I'd be like Oh that must be a citizen. Y'All because you are visit three weeks. I mean seven days if you want to be short. I'll take twenty one twenty-one savage I mean. Do you really need to make a decision? I guess you know you know what you know. Three weeks to be ZAC. What's happening there a all? I came from out my cave. 'cause I know y'all need this content to be honest with you even trying to you. Know get together and try to record this past days and We finally got a we got it done today and I mean we socially we social distant we you know. We ended up not like that. Yeah but the way. Some of Y'all be treating muff because y'all been social distancing before this even happened out one hundred y'all GonNa have to learn how to do this. Shit no was trained for this right right. Somebody all married and been associated or hijinks willing to social media is really brainwashing. A Lotta bitches okay. A lot of you bitches and a lot of naked is just now stories there by the time y'all won't Excuse me what the fuck you. You're coronavirus right now. It's fucking she seemed. But that's the thing no you can't. You can't clear your throat kid you can't you can't you really can't cough you can't do. You can't blink more than what I think the average Yay. Yeah why are you like fifteen times? No you can't do that and you got that wrong. That's that's funny. You can clear your throat and it's been funny this whole week. I've been like down. What if I call I call in public no matter you better say that shift where you get in the car? I sneeze twice when I look the world. Yes I promise this shit around me right now. I promise this is what it is. There's some politics it is free the fun so but there's not much that's changed for me like both. Our jobs are essential. Yes so we're still working. Yes sex a lot of shots of the people who who's not working right now. Who's who lost their job. You know they got fire. We all know that this this whole situation is as come to the point. Where all all these jobs are like. Okay we're figuring out who needs to work and who doesn't right in. I feel feel the people who who is not working right now. I feel 'cause they couldn't have been me. I'm like we're all fortunate. Where for the be still working? And that's been that knowledge has been swabbed trying to say when this is all said and done. I'M GONNA try to minimize my bitching about my job with certain Just like knowledge is try to just swallow that shit because like I could have been one a month folks. That's not working right now. Our right like I appreciate the shit out my job honestly. Both our jobs are essential Saw all the people that's like. Who has the Johnson that are non essential? We feel feel just letting you know. Just let you know so when you listen to this podcast manager you know we just. We just won't let you know that we understand. Give y'all some relief. Why go through the situation? We're all going through it like even though we're still working we are going to like. This is all stay at home order. We don't get to do the things that we really WanNa do right now like we're at this point. I'm not fucking I I'll be honest which I'm not doing any type of fucking at all so I don't have a sex addiction riverview but I I do and just so that don't sound ran. He only saying that because I brought that up in our group we have among our hands like I knew it already. So it's ad I do. I am dealing with sex addiction which I just WANNA say wasn't a thing to the whole tiger woods thing so I'm not even sure if achievement classify myself as having sex addiction was the first time I brought her like like like really really like I mean. Somebody may have said the term for it to be like mainstream. Yeah they ought to like two thousand nine day they may tiger woods say that shit now why because he had some different women he was a he had a eighteen women's Plethora. He asks election that he did have selection like what a wife. Okay that's something different in a way But I don't know that that's different between you. I mean between. I think that because you love sex like should I be classified as an addiction? I Love Pizza for a pizza addiction. I don't I don't think it's the same thing but does with us should be in the fact that is not the same thing even makes my case even stronger. A lot of the world love sex right so why. I have a sex addiction and you don't because I didn't say I have an addiction. You did only said it because that's how people turn. Maybe I was wrong for saying and we even when I said it. I wasn't even being like serious. I was being facetious. It's a joke right but I do know that I do have a love for sexual activity. I have a affinity for sex okay. I haven't finished before I love it. I mean just any other person. I'll put it like this. If there is an addiction I will be I would probably I would probably have only fence if I if I hadn't addiction. I don't think that's part of addiction because that's basically filming it but what were the only fans have to do your addiction okay? Say for instance. We're in we're in this damaged right. Okay Okay we're in Hispanic. There's a a trusted person that I would have sex with but also will film with okay but at the same time like we. We can't do it because social distancing of course could all right question okay. Who's decision. Is that both yours or hers for the only know the fact that you that you person are having sex right now probably hers because I exactly. Yeah that's my point is going on right now isn't because people have came to. A mutual agreement is because one person really wants to do social distance and honestly. It's always one person that wants to social distance in other person doesn't write as been my life for the past two weeks. See and let's talk about that because I feel like those Bush. I think when all this is over you gonNA find out who liked who more so. It's just like I was willing to fight through this right. It come to you. Want ME TO. That tells me where your car right? I'll squirted on my Dick if you only to. You ain't gotta suck it. I'm just saying right. You don't neither one of US gotTA look. I'm just trying to be extra cost for me in you. I'm just letting you know like I'm putting in effort right right to come see you and and I think that should go far. I think when all this is over honestly I'm judging. I think when all this is over a lot of y'all Guinea valuated the fact that y'all wouldn't come out house to be with y'all people's so air n n n long term multiplex is not going to get that you didn't do that. They're gonNA be like Marianne remember. I run virus. Yeah I remember you as didn't want to come see me quite possibly could have been last time. Yeah the one of us was on earth right that you decided to stay as liberal. Yeah you stayed in there for like two weeks. Yeah you didn't while while I constantly. Hey you know I come through. You ain't even gotta come to me all right. I come to you. You denied me. Like I'm not GonNa Forget that it all depends on your on your reason not to focus grounds that is grounds shit that is ground over. Say That but I mean I think looking Bat. That'd be a great love store like when we like you'll get a actually like how. How did you know what what was the defining moment of solidified? Get you know that they were probably you? Man You know Yo. She fought through Gerona virus from like she you know. They told us that you know we should stay home now. She was with me like every other day. You know what I'm saying like like that. Shit can keep her from me. And that's when I knew for some some Idris Elba type. She does not us in house in House. I'm talking about his wife. Ain't had no choice. You know saying she had a choice. She really did she. You what the fuck. That's the celebrity. I'm talking about. Y'All don't live together and this chick has a choice on I. I wish she liked fuck that making Dr White. Tell me I can't be with you like that's a great love till the share people you could bring up at your head. You know saying that's true you can. You can literally bring up like this. I can keep this girl away from me at twenty twenty. That's when I knew I'm going to get the rain. I mean because if you think about it this this whole day I mean nothing will be the same after this. Oh no right no no. None of this year will be the same. Not so would you. Would you put relationship on the line? Like say for instance. You guys have been senior little bit even dating. I wouldn't even go as far as relationships I'm talking about. Somebody proved worth in the dating stage. True Okay Matter of fact I might I? You know what quite as yet Ali my roster for you probably. Oh no now I would probably Muller Roster for you no doubt know yeah big all the focus on here full tasers as if I was doing the whole thing like yeah like a text and phone calls. I've been synth out. Yes like 'cause 'cause you you've shown you've you made a hell of a sacrifice Joe so you can be with me right. No but I understand that it's been it's been it's been it's hot like Like I say bid any so a lot of planes. I know this has been the loudest plane. Ever that was the loudest point. I was going to bring that up like I don't ever remember all the times we have it here like that's the longest loudest lane nerves. Like how low was. Yeah going on right now that we hear allow crashed and we know. What's that the next house buck? Yeah so anyway this will be here others say also yes so a lot of things have been a little different are a lot of things that's happening and shaking right now the two trillion They just came up with this up. And suddenly we got we got two trillion around here and now we got the stimulus package. The you know they give everybody two hundred dollars again. 'cause we had a stimulus package since the Obama era and also while and that's of the main things I remember when they'd be like what did he do for. You Got Stimulus Standards Chair. I think and it was at a time I needed to it. Ain't like I did like right now. Ankle Ankle Ankle Ankle. Hold Money Oh I'm not one of the people is not working so I don't need this check. You know what I'm saying but I'm getting it anyway. I'm getting it right. I ain't GonNa do right right right but whenever Obama will happen though I need if that check it was a different time for the best advancement. I need to but I bring it up because I feel like we should get more 'cause we twelve hundred in I'm assuming five hundred for the guilty is for the kids right. Why didn't I didn't hear every kid but I didn't look up it oil just every kid I just heard. Hey you got hit five hundred. Yeah I can. I'M NOT GONNA speak like I know. Just what I heard was it was just if you claim a kid or kids you got extra five hundred but that wouldn't make sense because it should be like five hundred perk it like you should like Salata Ship Echo Kobe. Kids excuse me especially because they are gonna be home every day all day. Definitely likely and for people that and you've got to get them. Yeah even get like a whole different situation. I need to start cleaning my kids. You do like honestly honestly. Bj Don't deserve. He really don't deserve to you know you don't because I don't like that you just don't come back to get an extra five hundred dollars now for him. No Le- here where he asked the way I should say Lee Hawaii Ed. Define say I'll say in the pitch on another day who you say. They'll be accompanying come over real nice doc. Plays with my kids man until long that. I know I'm kidding. His job joking I hate said not me say one. I didn't say I said I was kidding. Well anyway that look you. But we recorded in a Meghalaya's one. I'm not sure knows the name of the town. Actually I won't. The one is a girl so I'm not saying gene. No it was. All Joe is not religion. I don't know man I thought about thought about having a pandemic baby. Now you all you talk to her about it and she was cool with two. I talked about it you know. It was jokingly young so it sounds like fifty fifty. I don't know you know this is going to be a lot of babies out here or there will be a lot of babies. You know what I'm saying. It's going to be alive and I don't know I thought about putting like like pandemic playlists together like a pandemic baby making music lists just put our Kelly understand why this is gonNA make a playlist. I mean you got to I mean and we've talked about on a prior show that you're not gonNA make it through. Many songs we talked about you need is two and a half songs on. Pandora two and a half to R. Kelly's Chris rounded stupid if maybe assure maybe maybe we started with here. I I can't wait to. This kid is overweight. 'cause I wanna man I can just imagine this shit after afterwards whenever it in. Oh my God the fast growing. It's not even a question or latest. Get Out of the way. Please don't judge these guys at that is that ain't that ain't seen you in a while that that first nut is going to be like it's going to be waiting like you corona confident Bus for seven seconds south this month rare Latte. Don't judge him let him get. That passed at the way he's been waiting for this day. It's not fun. It really is not a fault. You didn't come over. During the open takes responsibility stock. Act You. Yeah I've been trying to link up with you next. I got my kids. I I actually job to be non essential. I guess your kids ain't got none right for the next year also since Since we since we are in Hispanic Which been watching what you've been Guinea's offend to since Since we've been in this lot now so there's two things are started first thing I wanted to talk about Ozark I've been watching. Those are and for those who don't know man. Billy talked about this. My opinion of Ozark I think is a good show. I don't think it's a great show. I think is a great. He thinks he's a great show. And what I mean by. I don't think it's a great show is after the first two seasons. I'm only speaking of after every episode. It wasn't a show. Where like I see what happened on the next episode easily. Walk away from it breaks. And that's what I told him. This third season I can take a break. I have been at thought. This third season was fun nominal. Ns His. Because I'm into Gore into carnage. You you you add Mexican cartel native Al Yes beef. Yes Oh my I'm in I'm like I'm I'm so in mixed with the already going storyline and then they had the husband and the wife like basically sabotaging each other sabotaging each other so it was just like this third season of Ozark. I am all in on. I'm happy I'm halfway in right now and I'm sure you were halfway here right now. Not finished you finish so you pass it awhile. I literally told you have to go through all in but no I understand so I'm glad you spoil anything. No I'M NOT GONNA I'm excited. I'm not finished when I I can't wait. I can't wait to finish it. It's it gets. It gets better and better yesterday and I was like yeah it yeah so I can't wait. I can't wait to finish it and I'm Kinda glad he finished already so I used to see his excitement for because I didn't know how excited he was for it. Actually but here's the thing. I notice what we never talked about this point. I found out wonder drawbacks to the show of wide like wanted to and I have season one or two to get used to. It is because of the main cared was night. Bateman some yeah Jason Bateman is because he's parallel to Liam Nissen in the fact that they play the same character in every room. He has no range so I had to get like way really broke. Where are you disagree? He literally just lay grease like tremendously. What movie has he played different than that? He plays the exact same kind of character in every movie. He's been in 'cause he comes from comedy so this is like a dramatic role. So he's like no but his comedies. He's like how he is. The Keynes's serious is the same. Yeah he can be funny. But it's not intentional funny it's very unintentional fund. Okay I get that he plays similarly the same type of person in everything he does and is just like Bro. You have no range. He's like the same Kinda. He has this series he plays to. Estrange is what you're saying Brown. I WANNA see somebody be different. I WANNA see Range Dyke I compare them to Liam Neeson. Leeson is the very similar character all his everything he does. Oh Yeah the past ten years. Of course. Yeah that's that's how this guy is you you. He's taken in every movie. Like I wanna like when I think about a good actor thinking somebody who's not he's different you'd be like damn like that's completely different road and I you know I'm used to him being there. The second show is real quick in and only wash it because you brought. You said something about it on twitter. I wasn't on this comedian on him late. And then I seen a standup of he is and I was like this. Motherfucker is funny. I went back and watched the Carmichael show. Oh right okay. I haven't finished this. This is my critique about the Carmichael show though. Please let me know need to know the issues they have in the show. I think beat it over the head over here with. I know you understand what I'm saying. Like yeah whatever. The topic is I think they go to is not subtle is very high. Eight minutes of the the subject in mind right right. And that's the only drawback from the show. 'cause I'm like could we Eased incidents more is just like boom from the beginning. You know about the talk about and they just beat you over here where the for the rest of the show. Yeah that's my only critique of again I could see if the show didn't make it if the network so that same thing if the network was like I don't like how you guys write your episodes like your to topic basic. You know what I'm saying you're too on topic is good to have like what the premise of the show is. But you're too much on that print on that premise. Yeah no I totally understand. It's like I said. Twenty eight minutes twenty two minutes of were talking like even in the title of December. Yeah seeing constantly. We're GONNA talk about guns. Yeah I'll say twenty done so I can see that being a con of the show. I saw one. You know exactly. We're going to talk about right. That's literally Only slight of it. I'm like I wish he wasn't so much so on the topic throughout the whole Right in I think that's the only crush of the show the beyond like out. I watched the show. I didn't watch it religiously but I I watched it when it came out but other than that is funny. I didn't even know. Tiffany Haddish was on loan. Like is this what his love for. Tiffany had started like. Why would I say I see? I had no issues on the show. No clue she came in Hager. Hey I'm like. Wow tiffany haddish on the show like Cardi B. I was Tiffany haddish early. So you like I know I'm I'M GONNA finish. Yeah that's the only thing I'm all too. Okay okay season three is gonNA be cool too but I said Yeah and after that. It's over with kind of finished it on his own. He's like he wanted to finish it after senators season three all so it wasn't the now we're eating get canceled no Nelson No. He canceled it yet. So it was like after like when he was promoted This'll be the last one that's what he said. What was his reason that he give a reason Because of the network he was like the things they were trying to agree with a C. Four I guess so forget it. That reminds me of Martin. We're GONNA GET INTO OUR TV show debate as low as just spoiler. There's no debate on the show. We rain for Germany. But there's a debate with Martin and just peek behind the curtain. Ma Slight with Martin is how the last season where I think. The last season was his sees. Oh tonight even question that's monitored by with. Yeah and and that's that's the drawback from Martin debt that last season was Jus- you've seen the the tiredness and the stress in his phasing. Zegers weren't singing. It hit here. Say something about Pam you like. Nah Yeah it. It didn't hit his heart. And you can tell from our like it was like. Yeah you know what I'm saying. Yeah and then and then so when when when you said that like I'll see the last supper soda. I'm like okay. It's probably going to be Martin Vibes while I'm just like yeah. This is this is a way. Yeah it's Hey al. Is Billy hear man? I hate to interrupt the podcast. Hate to interrupt the episode. Because I definitely want to listen to it but I gotta tell you about the sponsorship and that is anchor. Now if you haven't heard about anchor is the easiest way to make a podcast. One being that is free. 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I'm ready role. I've been reading this shit up to it. You've got mail so you scroll is a hell emails. You know we. I mean like last week. We didn't do a COUPLA emails here in I'm Sorry X. Point Pot g modagov for emails. If you haven't already you gotta question. You got something going on which you let us now. May I asked him point? Prodigy Dot Com as sodas firstly. He didn't leave name but he says the I've been going out with this girl for about four months now in have known her for about two months before that. I'm not exactly lady's maid before aspects. I'm almost six months so I suppose it's Cutie. Some anxiety is playing. A big part of this We recently talking. I asked the question. About how many sex partners she had before me is. She says somewhere in the range between twenty five and thirty in comparison. I'm only had six before. She didn't ask me back in my Roth today. This is ridiculously high number for girl. Her Age I wanted to try to get over but honestly has been playing ahead a lot. I don't WanNa break her but I all I can think of for. The last few weeks is about how she's been sleeping around the latte before me would probably be sleeping around a lot after me to feel this way it. Does anyone having suggestions how to stop feeling like this. You carry on with the relationship. He didn't say he didn't say her age. He did not so act. Can't compare it like I can't have the the pain WanNa have because I don't know how old she but when you say at this age you're not saying that twenty five thirty at forty you're not and you'd probably not even thirty. I know but it's the way you look at it. His opinion may not be my opinion. You know what I'm saying. So He may feel like she's at a age where she shouldn't have that many now. That's reasonable for ages. 'cause I say this if you thirty twenty five to thirty that means if you if you started at fifteen let me just say this you ways you. At thirty guys thirty third. You've got right you you know you thirty for thirty thirty thirty please. Cue It you thirty for thirty but you start at fifteen. I mean you average into Dixie year I think a chick fucking to dudes in the year is like. Oh my God to be honest when you break it down like that chick right. Fucking to Dixie. Year is nuts. I don't think it's not right but you at thirty and you thirty. So that's what I'm saying. I would need to hear the age to bring down a map so just for this. So this example if she thirty and she lost thirteen. I don't think that's alarming. That's why I need. He should've gave us a year. That matters concept that matters. I like in general. I think he's just like I don't think she's had that in the first place right. But that's what I'm saying. It's our opinion. He may feel totally different way about that as we do. That's what I'm saying like I can't I would need to know because he may just be albro. You you gotta give a little leeway you know what I'm saying like now eighteen thirty six. Okay right right okay souvenir alive. I feel like you should go with you. Twenty five thirty and you eighteen. Yeah you lose your Virginity Sixteen bitchy. Who's you're playing catch up dating like two years? Those fencing Dixon Experience Right S. Okay let me ask you a question. Sure we don't know her age. Let me ask you is hidden double digits in one year a lot for a woman of Dick's so she wouldn't like zero to double digits so basically ten is the minimum. Okay your level best. Lots of me I need. That's wild ten is a lot in the calendar year calendar. You like ten is. It's twelve months and three hundred sixty five. Hey who's like? I don't even want to do math on it like that's that's that's a lia almost. That's a little less than once a new dude among. Yeah so it's like. How many days did you go right right? Exactly safer issues. Like twenty to twenty four though. That's a little different. It is especially depending on when she lost Virginia. Yeah I need to know her starting point. We'll see this is the reason why ask? Because I don't like I don't Wanna I don't WanNa know knew I'd never know and I think when you asked that Like when they actually when you first start talking to somebody I think the only normal question accidents like what was less on your head. Sect's I don't even with that on my business even with that is like they're gonNA lie said. Oh yeah three months. Yeah but it's not it's not my bit is like I wasn't here. Yeah so literally. If I get your phone number we talking last night I said yesterday like I just got your phone today. Mike. You didn't exist to me yesterday. I had no idea of your existence. You right right. I saw take you. Men are appreciated Accounts let us know man. What was the age we know that got mail us is next question from John John? So Johnson what. What's generally hated movie that you actually like so plan said good in quick answer. Because that's the one movie that a Lotta People Talk Shit about. Oh Yeah Man. I'll be like I'd actually didn't think might end number two for me. I love north of a lot of people. Don't Shit on So that'd be my answer so shit on rb Soul Plan Norbert would be my ass. I was like I just I just know the energy. He put into that movie like how many he put on put into those characters and put these. Muny people into this movie a lot of heavy hitters in that. They're a look everybody's in that fucking. Everybody is eighty Griffith Williams. Shar Wayne like like who you know like all these people together with Eddie Murphy Yeah Rowley. Underrate is one of the most underrated movies of all talk. First few. Maybe like I say this slide slack. Go down look like the Great Plunkett Funny Fuck you. That will be fun movie. I think I'll just add onto that to say of a movie that people hate that I generally like I think I'll just say mortal Kombat annihilation. Okay more like that and I love that movie I love love. Love that movie it I mean shady. Don't get me wrong I love. I mean it's a shady movie Compared to the first one is a is a bad movie but me out brother again dyers. We watched that movie every time is on TV and we will quote the shit out that movie in baby boy people shed on baby way. I've never really her people should know. I'm not saying they don't but I've I've prepared weren't up to now because Luke brothers I hate you. I hate you too young brothers crew. I must say that was the start of the customer without the cussing. Like come on man didn't sound like nut. Nothing like snoop so yo. Two movies may mortar common knowledge in a baby. Boy Koo Koo mom. Hi thanks for the question. That was a good question appreciation for that man X. Point Prodigy. Ma Give on this. I like this yeah I got thanks to do. I'm hungry I know how long this do. You've got mail so this next one. Does what is from Joanna Joanna Girl Joanna Solo June. Joe I sit down to do So Joanna says my question is when you're talking to someone. What is the best time to cut off all your niggers and vice versa? When is it a good time to cut your roster off I will say is that allows Oliver I was. I will say as soon as that person. Give you reason to also as soon as you feel like you are somebody. I want to invest in talking to the future. Like when I show you. That's mouth pain like I say when you take the condom off like what have you. Don't start Whatever he writing like us most saying. But what if they are like us they don't even start with One or damn pickle clue Especially when you got somebody you mess with that at any point that can happen you know when they know at any point one of US start talking to somebody so rely a talk to somebody so we don't just being honest about things I will say he county roster off. There has been times when you cut your roster all for the wrong person. I think that's what she's saying. Somewhat CBO for women. They gotta easy because you can make an excuse like if you wanted to buy yourself some time and the person hit you up like a got a very bad period going on and give me a little while and you can just take that lower. You take two weeks literally to see them too. Strong this drop nobody like hey give me two weeks two weeks two weeks ago. Oh you've got a period God damn it. I will give you four days. You Ain't GonNa tell you. I also been their I own a home. He's got a will you remem- Oh man is so thank you Joe Montana. Delano Joke Shit. I love that song. You've got mail next one right here. This next one is from Paul. What is that? How all the While Baby Paul Awry he says I'm thirty five. My wife has studied three. Have we have been married for eight years? Have Two sons. My wife is Japanese League live in Japan? We lived in Japan for two years. When we got married are now living in Canada. Sheltie lunar candidate Donald Canopy will. Who's listening to podcasts randomly? From Japan Canada Yeah Must Be Ginger Ale. People come man. I'm trying to read because of covent. Nineteen I'm working from home. Yesterday I found a on her personal laptop of her masturbating and talking to the camera with the toy. Something struck his on as To me since she's never take videos from me before so this is a new side of her. I'm seeing I've never seen the toy before a she's never mentioned about her having toys and the video looks like it's been made at least eight months ago. If it was meant for me how come. I haven't seen it until now. I saved a copy of my laptop just in case I can make out about sixty percent of what she's saying. The video since parts of it is a bit muffled. It was definitely her flirting and talking to the camera. But there's no clear indication that this video was made with me in mind which gives me a bit word. I haven't had a chance to talk to her about it since she is staying over her at her mother's place for a few days to take her due to her old age in the covent. Nineteen is kind of having some impact so right now. I'm not sure what to do. Can I get some advice? I'm Debbie Brain. I shoulda Bro Dab. The greatest thing about that is that you ain't even in the wrong. You didn't go searching you ascend. No no you ain't gotta had this at all like a so this like I wouldn't even be subtle about it. Wow Wow wow. Wow bringing that up you gotta bring it a look. She goes said. I mean you've been quarantined with the video just been stuck in the house. Got You here with a video. Neither one Khalid so he's just been focused got to bring us it up. I don't WANNA I don't Wanna say she cheating Bro. I don't want to say a year like I don't know I mean in hindsight lie on the surface. Yes she cheat. The owner surface of made up. Somebody is definitely not you because you never got an issue. Don't send videos right right. She don't she don't say Stollings like she toy too vic- and toys like vice. She's living a whole host. Wait a minute what would she has. Only Fans Hewlett. Wait a minute Rome. Wouldn't she has only face he's not she's keeping in front him. Ancienne CANADA'S ROW. Now she could she put some extra money. I want to know that though. That's not what I think. I WanNa know this whole only and we met and that's not even that wouldn't be cool to me. He's like bitch remarried. Like you putting on a show for. What are you reading you? Give them a show or we ought to take into account. This is like eight months ago. That's what he thinks he thinks. This came from what you do. Is this what you do? You take the video you go to its properties when you do what you do when you go into this properties. That's when you know when it was created whatev- videos created when is on properties that I know for sure fish like yeah you know what though dead ass. I'm now going through a computer and one of the things I'm going to I'm going to email. Is Clicking on. The sent. Folder does eight months ago. This video. Also I'm going to nestled is. I'm I'm investigate. You don't see me new semi videos. You don't send me. You know I never seen the toy in your hand now. I didn't even know you like them right. You ain't even bought you'll niece and nephew a happy meal. We got two sons. You Ain't never bought a happy meal if I was you. I will not sugar coat it I will be as direct. This policy erectus possibly have to you have to people that should have caught. It can only be people that shouldn't have been on that you weren't in the wrong when you discovered this. Oh you can be as direct as you won't. It's our own but it was like right there on downloads. It into is my dad. Videos hit up. I think she got only stowing lousy now only know observations also remains I think should Canada wet Canaan away to the wet. Ooh I thank you very much. Appreciated extra for five G. Come Holy Shit. That's candidate the name. I think he's I think he's already number. One are you've got mail so this next will ran. This next one is from Jake. What Jake says. My question I believe is a big different than it used to. A gearhead has always been important to me and I never had any problem given it if my partner wanted to. But that is rare This turn into arguments in when I pushed. She'll push back. I will over a year without as our is separate due to our upside due to her responsible for an idea every time she gives me head on. Its own on her own from start to finish. I pay her thirty dollars which may happen every other week. I booked in shower once kids. The kids are bid in transferring money. there are a few other sexual favors outside. The normal were charged for price. But the deal is when I wanted. She can't say no. There are short deals like Mash patient for like twenty dollars but they're also higher paying deals which may be anal occasionally for two hundred dollars at times when she wants to earn more money at times when she wants to earn more money she may initiate deals book in when it comes to normal sex. I don't pay anything which has averaged once or twice a week. My Gosh News audience favorite deals something that you consider disturbing or if it works for both of us. Please give me your thoughts on. This is where I need to soundboard because I need to play. Congratulations you play Bro. Cabbage sounds like he got himself. I live you know rate. Why not only prostitution in real what she say? She can't say no no no but she's agreeing to that she's getting paid so she's a great. That's she's agreeing that the reason she can't say no because he's paying that means she's not a do without her being in the mood for it right. She's getting paid for the sake of the payment is for the inconvenience. This is financial abuse ave think so as I see you only doing it. Because she's respond respond my way. What does a lot going on? What's going on his house right? And what did she spend the money? So the other question sexist free but his normal sex is free right and he said that happens two to three times a week. I read because I don't Wanna I don't WanNa mess it up okay. So why are you looking at up? You get normal sex if you've got an average to nuts you just can't beat your meat like a regular human you can't just like get regular sex and then that other not just jerk off like if if you'd like need it that bad as she not sexual because like once or twice a week all wants to twice wants to okay. You got a quote in a meeting so I mean once to twice I mean. Let's just take the low end? Okay folks you once a week number normal that means you have to get your two nuts a day. Otherwise yeah you gotta get it somewhere. So that's fourteen nuts a week minus the one. That's thirteen nuts. You gotTA council pro. That's coming out your account. Can I tell you job is what is your job? I want to know and even though you may argue staying in house is not if she irresponsible with your your exit. Her to amass debate for twenty dollars. That's the ultimate to that means for you to get the nut you're masturbating to her masturbating and her twenty dollars for nuclear pores. What are you talking about? You have a laptop this phone. You're really you're basically spending money you'd just to spend money. What are you doing standing? I think she getting off to be honest with you. She is she is. He said that sometimes she dictated like she belie. I need a couple of hours. Where we you know like it ain't always him coming to haul leading. Get you on that eight with joins. I won't come out pink and black these the we know how much that costs you grow. Brennan glow this is wild. He said it ain't let do you lease can do. Oh Use can you do? I don't think she can't she can't. I don't know maybe she can't do you paint on Friday baby. Let me get this real quick. Let me get this on Monday. I know I know but you know I get paid on Friday. You good for you. Oh my God this is wild to me. I've never heard this ship before a like a marriage like I've ever heard of heard of spending allowance. Don't get me wrong. I bet but this is this sexual favors for months. Our show is great. I get you a whole ring and wedding froze the payment. That's wild all right. I appreciate it. that's definitely right. You said this is out the order. Would wish would marry you for what was the. What was the point? The Point Daddy's kids. We had kids before the point. You've got mail next email. This is from all. She did leave her name. She says I'm GonNa keep this short and sweet. Thank you so I need your. I need advice on how to fill about the situation To be honest but I want to hear different perspectives about Selena. Got The two hundred dollars. I'm issue I some were friend and I are both black. His three previous girlfriends were all Asian. I saw his point is three and most of it was Asian porn specifically Asian with black men so in my mind I am thinking. Why doesn't he look at women that looked like me when he's looking at porn is always an Asian woman? And I I feel aways about it especially since I'm his first black girlfriend. He knows how I feel but very dismissive about it. Never really give me a clear answer as to why he mostly looks at Asia women to nut in my bugging or wet all top. I've been black women but watched only interracial ports. Oh Shit is this is an interesting case because you talk about a black dude. Who's WHO's dating three Asian women right. You don't see that a lot. You don't see that at all actually. This is the first case I ever seen assume you last three in a row. Yeah last dry all these where you know Asian women from right unless you use that person said they was living in Japan where he way you find a war. It's not facebook. I'll tell you that So I'll I'll put it like this with guys. Watch porn thing when you put your escaping. So you're just looking for you. I mean honestly you looking for the quick nut so as you just looking at something that that you know that gets you there and usually is something that you life fantasize about so I mean that's what it is really so when you say he's not looking at things that we're looking at porn that or looking at women that looks like you. Why would he want to look at look like you? Don't WanNa see you getting pounded out but two different news like DP. I don't I wanna see that as I was with a chick and she was black. I don't WanNa see you know somebody that look similar to her. You know pounded out by two different news. I want to see that I I'll you know I'll look into Asia women. I'll look at interracial. I was looking at any other thing that nobody wants to see that and so so I can see. I can understand why you feel away about it but yes it's a fantasy thing like I. I'm sure when you look at poor. I don't I don't know which women look at anyway. Honestly when they look at for it. That's the difference to me. Wait a minute wait a minute. She's got a point though man. I don't care okay. Point is aging you women with black men. She's got a point but that's what he's been accustomed to. That's why it came. That's what he's been accustomed to like. I've been with a chick that didn't have asked okay but I was looking at all porn with chase with ask because you wouldn't ask because I meant to ask but that'll mean lessons are you. You're right see. See how you got to that conclusion? You loved her idea. 'cause I couldn't do that's acceptance because because I have to. I had to Gerland have ads but I you know I see beyond that same treated like she did also say Ooh girl doing today. Almost cornbread unite this week. You know. Get our confidence for the no. Honestly go ahead but think about this though. That's his porn is different for me. Take for me just an example. I'm into glory holes. It's one of the things I search for you. Look in my search. Uc glory holes. But I would never my life go do a glorious novel shrew number right. I'll never do it. I'd never do a glory hole is just some fun. She says Leah. Yeah so don't don't much like I said it's escapism. That's all it is really. I think it has nothing to do with you being black. If I don't think it does and honestly I mean if you got a problem with it you say you already told him about it so he already knows. He's like dismissive of it. I mean if they really bothers you don't go through research no I mean again about it but our perspective is is just escapism. That's all it is nothing more nothing less that's all it is so hey that was there for the emails they say for us. And we WANNA thank you guys for listening downloading. Tell to friends until two friends about this podcast Possibly Nice Amen. Get US wherever you get your podcast apple. Podcast Google on spotify or podcasts. At Pie to be nice anything else before we had about a year ago. I guess not the man I ain't got none no so we want to thank you guys once again point prodigy mode dot com emails. Be Safe out there a wash your hands wash it as we see guys some boyfriends and girlfriends us out there in the China Sea you I wanted. I don't know she wanted to take that risk. Not but you know you know how they say one last thing so you know how they say. Check on your friends. Yeah people check on the negative side bitches because they've been lonely because you know the person they mess with have been a real family say so check on the side we checked on at all they go through so yeah they are. They are cooped up in the house. There were a person they don't WanNa be with right now and. As my heart and who knows who how long this is going to be with that check on them. I am Billy Ellis man that is the Pun Yard. This is positively nice. We see you guys next week later. Connor yeah she say talk to me and I don't know but they walked on their lives.

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