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Larry Lavin: Phillys Former Cocaine King Tells All.

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Larry Lavin: Phillys Former Cocaine King Tells All.

"Hey, this is Johnny goodtime says the Philly blunt on this episode. We talked with Larry lavon Laven was a dental student in the late nineteen seventies who started dealing pot. His frat brothers by nineteen Eighty-one. He was the biggest cocaine dealer on the east coast. I learned about Larry in the book, Dr snow, which I read about fifteen years ago and was fascinated by Dennis by day. Coke dealer by night. All the while moonlighting as a rap producer, the story is so nuts. I promise you're going to enjoy it. Thanks for listening. Be sure to follow us on Twitter Instagram and Facebook under the Philly blunt, and please be sure to subscribe. And if you enjoy the show give us a five star rating. Thank you. Hello, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the Philly blunt. My name's Shana good times. I'm reef is Greg, and we have we're very excited to ever guests. We're doing something a little different this week where I ever phone or nice, Tom baby. Yeah. No I ever phone her, and we are doing Larry lavon who used to live here in Philly went to Penn for a few years and eventually ran a rather large cocaine. Straight to the point. And we're gonna talk to him a little bit about that a little bit about what life was like a pen back then and we're gonna talk about what is lifelike today. So a lot to cover. Larry welcome to the show. Thank you. Good to hear from you guys. Do you miss de miss Philadelphia on a lot? I came back for a wet and Mike frankly, bottles Bartos daughter, Billy got married. I think it was about two years ago. I was back there. So I was days. Yeah. Yeah. Whole lot. What was the last time? You've been here before that. You don't believe it or not to the whole federal prison system. We drove through one. I think I was coming back for a peel. Here was in that must've been oh long longtime ago, I'm talking twenty twenty twenty plus years ago. And of course, you don't get to see a whole lot one of those rides. Right. Are you from Philly sound like you're from Boston or something? Nice. Grew up in north east, Massachusetts, real close. And it's funny. I don't lose that access much as most other people. I've never I went through Phillips Exeter. One of my first tasks and chemistry teacher passback exam and said sewing here spells like, he talks. Formula tonight. So formula with our in the end of it. It was just fun. Right. So you actually strangely enough. Your second guessed who didn't graduate high school in still went depends. Victor fear Rillo rights for Philly MAG actually, same same situation ended up going to Penn. So you go there we're talking what early nineteen seventies, right? Right. Graduating class would have been seventy seventy four seventy three I finished exit. Okay, roughly. Okay. So you go into pan, and you go into the freshman you start making friends, and that's when you kind of I guess found out more about sort of the way drugs, and so forth was at on a college campus. Well, what we're parties like at ten back then different dorms within their would hold caters or whatnot. So I got to know people very quickly. So it was a fun atmosphere. There was a lot of acid all types of pills and things like that available spe- back in those days. I mean, people are driving around with the fall of back, then it was mostly Mexican plot. The bring people people would pay you five dollars an hour to like put out sheet, the blotter acid and stuff. It's just was so free and open. It's just really hard to believe how different things were better. As you were you you joined the frat. And is that weird always goes wrong? Is that where the dealing started? Or was that the parties where the dealing started? It was. So what happens is when you join a fraternity and at the time getting I went off to school with like twenty bucks by clock at Ryan working library, and I'm working as a. As a lifeguard in the gym. And so when they stopped plays you start to meet people in this one particular fraternity PHI, delta Theta was pledging me, Mike, some others. And they just seemed like a good group of guys, and you could live in these paternity spec in extremely cheap. I mean, literally, I think it was four hundred dollars for a semester for you rent? Where was the where was the frat house thirty seven and locus every fraternity in those days had someone who dealt with f attorney had solvent. I'm not going to be very astute. Very particular. He believed in getting a lot of things in kinda split enough with the fraternity members, they're not really making anybody just doing it. So he gets his little stash I quickly meet his contacts. I member we went home to his house one solid in western PA. He came in on this plan for Appalachians residents to be and I handed him by five hundred dollars. I said, you know, I made this off your buddy last week. And he was just astonished and they went to make money doing this. He just thought it would either be we. Right. And we just got carried away. I mean, one time I remember my fraternity members they kind of had intervention. They can't even talk to me and said, Larry we go down to the the pass on the way the class if and people are stopped us and asked what this Larry have now Bill. So I had to fire back, wait a minute. What do you had been? You. Don't even have stuff you hold it for me in your refrigerator or freezer. When's the last time any you pay for any drugs, you know, Orleans as the yellow so it was just really funny. The whole thing about that. I've moved out after that. That was after the guy who connected, the the to all this you won't name. It's not Donald Trump. Right. Depend pen. I wish it was. I definitely would named him. You obviously, this was almost all pod. There are other things like hash oil house, and you know, sometimes people we bring these exotic things in like connections in Philly. Friend. I'll send you a check. So so you in the nineteen seventies was a crackdown on marijuana. Correct. And it was that was that would kind of set you in kind of set the wheels in motion in terms of moving over to more toward cocaine totally. So what happens is Reagan changes the? Lying in the on our oceans from on our ports and whatnot are coast from three miles two hundred miles. So the coastguard could board any shifts that came within that two hundred miles. They used to be done in Miami. People sit three miles off these big freighters, and they would have like fifty kinds of a pot like Columbia pot in people that go out with those, you know, fast boats in they could beat back so quick it was also impossible to stop them. You know, the each one might just be bringing Trina pilots, but it was such a quick trip. They could do minutes, but they were that happened. It became kind of, you know, a lot more difficult than I I don't know if you guys read Mike sports, but he has a great titled. I once I was talking to a friend of mine who had connections to Miami. And we threw out for the line. You know, why carrying off on your back when you could put them out of pocket. Get around you get all these connections setup. This kind of like people relying on you had all these different campus networks and people, you know, up and down the east coast. And and how do you how does that expand? I mean to suddenly, you know, you've got a guy talking to Cubans in Miami. Like that's a whole different ballgame than talking to college kids in Blacksburg, right? Everyone kind of has a connection somehow, and I was pretty good. You know, obviously, the easily friend person, you know, I've I've made contact really well, and like one of my friends that lived out in the main line he was a little bit older, and he had a Cuban girlfriend and fiancee, I believe in. He had a couple of connections that he was the one that told me we could do. So he pulled out money and bought like a half key, the slowest by that. I'm surprised even sold it to us. You know, whether that cost back then. Believe it or not keys used to be fifty five thousand dollars. Whereas, you know, the price tumbles over years down for fourteen thousand right from the log the time, you know, we would buy keys at fifty five thousand by the time, we broke it up and whatever caught dependent which product and people itself about seventy five thousand she's you know, what would you would you cut it with? In Austin tall. You know, it's vitamin fi product in the lighter team. But how you develop it is the fact that we had something all the time. So once a week, you could come and pay what you could give you more. So you have this as we grow by me frighten all this. So if you came and wanted, you know, half pound pound, it's you know, what the heck why don't you take two piles funds? And so that's what made these things grow. Unfortunately, everyone's debt to me grew a lot of ties that people didn't pay him that much product, you know, whatever. So what would you do like when is the big debt was owed? And you just you just let it go. Yeah. Workers do to get in trouble by going after someone you know, you try to work with decide if it's worth off. It's not just in an awesome point. Yeah. They they lose the connect you if they don't exactly right. No one wants to do that, you know, 'cause they've got this, you know, the golden ticket. So all they have to do is be responsible. And so Mark Stewart that was financial adviser. He was actually Fred Shiro flyers coach he was his financial adviser to rock with a pretty impressive guy to me headed this different real estate. And the lawyer the hits me off of them told me, you know, money is king right now, you can take cash and invest in different ways. And you know, little that. I know that you know, Mark, unfortunately, had the ability to spend money just endlessly. And we would, you know, hire everyone the Reckitt comfy paying fifty thousand. We had you know, monthly phone bills for fifty thousand really easy to heal flow through money. Aren't you kind of trying to blow through money at this point? It wasn't too much cash becoming a problem. Well, you don't wanna lose it. All that tiny took the making especially count it. You know, how hard it is. I do not know we know. That's something that I I know like ten dollars in penny sucks. That's what I wanted to ask that the record label theme man that shit sounds so far less the most. Thing. I mean, you've got a lot of interesting things with that story to me because I, you know, I'm I'm hip hop artist myself that that whole thing is just like bazaars fucked me so break that down the recognize we're talking Frankie Smith w. WBZ part of a big one of the biggest reasons that hip hop exists. Straight up that song is like a a cornerstone. Yeah. Philly hypothesis, absolutely. I walk in some of the bars here, if I go out to dinner, sometimes stopping place, they play that saw a lot of people know that. But so really happens. Mark has a company called TSE records since a small company and with mine money. He's able to buy out some called W M O T records, and they had more artists in, you know, probably more talent as far as knowing how to find artists and things like that. But the hard thing was it's almost like the drug business that Lockwood find albums out to these stores in Philly, New York, and they wouldn't pay and they're supposed to pay within thirty days for ninety one hundred twenty days always returned you five thousand albums than welcome to use music. Those returns. We had a contract with CVS. But when you see the us you have to use their print for printing the records and their promotion, they ended up taking like semi three cents on the rebel. But we'd get these huge checks like billion two or so from CVS, but at the same time is running up prior to that, you know, spend money, but it costs a lot, you know, even back then they record in time for an album life, you twenty five thousand or something. But you know, what did I really care? I just didn't want to get in trouble. I wanted to get my I was drawing like seventy thousand dollars paycheck. I just wanted to get through this year was that seventy grand in the eighties and beginning of time. This is how music is funded. You know what I mean? By the way. Can I make a comparison now? And I don't know if you've seen this or not, but can we I think a comparison who Larry is stringer bell string a bow stringer bell in the wire, you just guy the guy who was in the business and was trying to find a way out, but couldn't quite find a way out right because you're surrounded by people. They didn't want to get out. Right. So you tell me what happened with Frankie because I read ever to quilt. It said that you said if he would've just come to you to pay them triple of what he what he what he wanted. Oh, easily an made sure you had a good time. Take him out somewhere fun. We never have a relationship. I mean, I knew him enough to say though, I remember I used to go into clubs like he lines, and I have like twenty his albums, and I would just signing his name because who knew you know. And about you know, we're you aware of how big a hit the song was well, how do you think it got to be? Right Greece in the punk. How much money I probably put a million dollars in the making that hit the whole time. You're thinking that marks pay in the guy, you're assuming that Mark's paying Frankie Smith knew he wasn't gonna to pay. I mean that would've usually paid. So I have this one girl who worked for the cotton kinda knew what came out you need, some dentures and stuff, I did that I bought her a used car. You know, what did I care? You know, I just wanted everyone to be quiet and go on with their lives. So I can go all your mind. It seems like you had a very spread the wealth mentality. Right. Yeah. So I wasn't too. Sure. With that. I would've take care of him. I just didn't know he was getting screwed like that. And but you can be I talked to him before you talked to him. Right. And our fortunately, I wasn't you know, I was just trying to get away from our? And I ask you why you're running all these drugs in Philly. How is the Philly south Philly mob? Do they get wind of you? Do they talk to you or have they not know you're cutting into their business kind of? Didn't know about it. And. A new they were like millions of dollars getting lost in west Philly and the coach how how was I mean, south Philly Billy from south Philly had to know people in all. Well, you know, Billy was you know, I just really don't want to say anything about Bill. I'm just saying that the eighties. His father was a book runner in at one point. And they had this produce business, and that most people believe Billy was just doing book. And that was a very good would be a very good congress on needed to cover something, you know, everyone thinks he's making us money from that. And he only say younger generation, and I don't know. I'm sure people do it sometime at some point later on you know, obviously, they knew once the the stories came out. But you know, there's there's mob like that that's into protects your money and all that. And then there's a whole nother organization. That's come around. That's got we're dealing drugs that just wasn't part of when you go back to Bruno those types of guys they'd just went through that kind of came around with his death, which was probably toward the end of your dealing career. I guess early. So they were whole different thing that they were making their money off. They had the rackets and prostitution and stuff like that. I'm sure so your your drug runner says in the dock. That he tried to talk you out of the game, basically. And he said Larry at everything the lose and nothing to gain. But more cash, so I have to believe there was something more than money motivating him. What was it? That was motivating you. Well, some will always touched off a touched on. I didn't want people to go down in my, you know, in my weight that if I start doing things. I had a brother rusty that was doing things, you know, these these people say, he wasn't a smart, and I could see easily getting busted. So I think I had to protect that to some extent. And I you know, I still had like two three million dollars in bad debt on the books. I kinda want to, you know, pull some of that in if I could so I guess that type of thing, but it really wasn't that long pipe here. You know, if we start dealing and. I dunno delay. I guess we finished down schools eighty one. So it's probably sometime like from seventy nine to like, maybe eighty three time period. I think they'll sit years invited the text. So it's hard to what kept it going. But I think it was it was easy money in. It was, you know, get a member at the end when I had my two partners rented it. I don't have to do anything day-to-day literally might take once a week meet with them and go over the books or something like that. So nice. Tell me about d day like the day like the they come running in with the warrants chicken down doors, like what what's going through your mind. Is it you're playing from the door? Like if this ever comes this where we're going to run, Mike. What's going on here for a few months? You get every day in the meal, some type of coffee of subpoena that like a guy used to put safes in different buildings telling me, Larry, she'll let me know to destroy these records, but they've given him a subpoena everyone had Bank accounts. And so, you know, they're investigating you even the walls closing in. Or are you getting payroll you at this point? Yeah. You know? So I'm going and talking to lawyers and trying to get ready. The actual final day is somewhat absurd. I I made up a a staff to I would make fake ID's with it had to do with. Making Aversa a baptismal in one of those stamps like you would stamp book for you live personal library. They get the Franklin mint and altered too. So would say like Saint James church sometime. And so I have that. And I want to get rid of it. And I have some documents where lent a guy that is dead now. So I can say this. He had wanted to buy a business in Florida that can does juice that you see when you go into giant, or, you know, those students in those Bob lers, the reason we wanted that is we were able to put the cocaine in those cans, and he was able to drive it back in cases that was sealed up. So it was much more safe. Well, he took out a loan with me to buy this whole business. I said why don't want this? And I these paperwork to be filed. And I didn't wanna throw anything in my trash. I thought they were picking up the trash so I'm gonna throw in all these things a couple of other things in the dumpster across the street from my practice. There is a void Rogers over there. So go through there. So I come around to. Corner on aspirin Frankfurt's, and I've I don't turn into the parking lot for my practice. So the cops think I've seen them in running the FBI next thing. I know like literally, I swear six of them leap on top of my seven thirty three BMW, and they've got shot guys their property and scream at the, you know, stop the car take put your hands up, and I'm trying to yell back at him. If I you know, if I take my foot off the pedal, I'm gonna run you over the standard, you know. So finally, they they get all that. And you know, I get out they find those documents fortunate. I remember covering the up, and I said can someone tell someone in my practice. So that patients we'll have to be waiting all day says I'm gonna go in Tom your drug deal and the other guys it's very though that sounds like. Yeah. I'm going to let them know. That was a rough day. Then you go down and you go into the federal building. And there's eight of us there that the. Get back to the parking lot. I mean, are you? Just scared shitless. Are you what are you? What do you think is these guys are jumping on the frequent hood? Well, plus would shotguns or whatnot. Well, the thing that's funny as we told him to surrender myself anytime, they want because they've already had be in full fingerprinted once you're person of interest or something that and my lawyer goes with me, and he won't let me answer any questions. So when they start when I go to company, they wanna know, what's your name? I said, I'm not answering questions. Of. So you post bail, and what you go home and say baby, we're getting the fuck outta here. And so I go home and she posted bail. And she says that I'm walking so fast. You remember that you get home? You don't know what it's like when you walk into your house, and you turn on TV. And every channel you turn to these. You has about you, you know. And it's you know, it's bizarre. Is that overwhelming? Is there any sense of ego? Where like, oh, you know, they're all talking about me. Or is it just like shit John's, right or oh shit. This is real it's overwhelming in real. And that he's gonna stand before this. I really thought I was going to be able to pull this off to just be an IRA case. Yeah. I didn't realize it was going to get to be more of this stuff. You know? I thought that she back in the day when I know this is silence. Craziest safe. But no one in my prior experience had ever talked to the government took whatever came their way. And we got him. Good warriors. We bought him a house afterwards made sure their life was okay or something? And I just to. Naive. Not to realize that everyone was gonna talk. You know, all all your team flipped on you pretty much. There's only like two people didn't talk between billion. I would say eighty six co-defendants. Right. That's just the way. It is the government can bring these forces there. Just unbelievable when they you know, you know, I started thinking, you know, what am I gonna do to mitigate this in my mind? I'd already plan on going on the run to the beach. Why Virginia beats you have enough money to leave like why why why not marriage Bill so close to Philly, man? I don't know the five hours. Right. This real reasons to Virginia Beach. So I used quite a bit of research on this. I wanna live. I want you to, you know, internet, right, right? Why the live by the ocean in the the other thing is like Virginia Beach at the time. The average person lived there less than three years. So you're not moving into a neighborhood like you move into northeast Philly, and you know, your great grandparents. Like who's the new guy? Right. And the other thing is I had someone I had someone fly to the Bahamas in my name. And I let everyone I know think that I'm going to Ireland Irish. So I thought that that's what they would really look for it. And I just felt I could blend into this place is supposed to at one point. I wanted to go to Brazil because you know, my wife was pregnant you have a baby come citizen, but she felt it wasn't a cry crime. We ought to let them grew up in the states. You didn't realize that much money? You can you know, have a good life anyway. Right. But anyways might co-defendant cooperating with the government. And he, but he's meeting with me, and he has me kellyn people. Listen, if I call just hang up on me. I don't wanna hurt anyone. But I'm trying to get a reduction sentence off this. But he wants me to collect money that's owed to him. And if say, you old him hundred thousand your new one hundred thousand from bad debt, he says you can collect your first once ever leftovers, you can give me, and I collected quite a bit for like, you know, what it was like a half a million dollars. So I'm meet with him. And he's telling me what the government knows. I mean, you meet like every other night and not use all these electron if I had to make sure you know after having stripped down and all that making. Sure you recorded me. And he tells me he's going to. They'll let him play his kids. So when you're meeting the guy, you're like, you gotta take your shirt off. So I can make sure you don't have a wire. Yeah. I mean. He does work with the he's tell me with them all day for four or five hours. Specialty of right, right. So, but anyway, I always members. He he looks at me and says they're letting him go to ah Landau to take his kids to Disney, and that's going to be at it. You know, they're going to put them in jail for that. And as he turns away turns back and says God damn I'm never gonna see you again say what are you talking about says, he's smart enough? You're going to run says, you know, I told you gotta run by the fuck why? He says I told them that you think you're so smart that you're gonna exhaust every legal remedy, which was somewhat might think. And then you run when you see that. There's no other chance. So I bought you a bunch of time. Good luck, my friend, and he was right suic- left. I knew that you know, otherwise was equally every day. He would tell the FBI Larry missed his meeting. You know? So now, he goes away for weak little did, I know he actually goes down and sets up his Colombian connection. They get ninety two kilos in why I'd think you're supposed Disney. But that's that's what I go on the run during that I had to go right now. 'cause I knew she was away and. Interrupted scenario where you were your parents alive. When all this happened they were alive in obviously, it was harsh on them. I think you know, this story made several front-page things I will home paper in the like parents are dead. Now, it's it's kind of bizarre. Philadelphia magazine, some story on the think that whining. What are their friends that live in the cut it out and home that person one? So they tried to Selvi like a twenty year old Mercedes, Billy ran, and I didn't I was nicest could be, but you know, they had fallen on hard times they lived in the main line big house and they're just trying to sell their assets. Maybe I should. So I always thought that was my pay back so like call, and so we just read this thing. And you know bless my parents if it's time for them to understand this. I mean last time I'd seen my dad reply when other run it went up and hand them a briefcase and said, I made some money. Luckily, picking the right not listen news twenty five K cash in there. You know, he didn't blink. He just closed the cover covering third away. You know? So. Yeah, that was kinda cool. But it was hard to explain. I remember him at one point said we came to visit me joy. So I just wanted to one thing they say you were really the biggest in Philadelphia. They east coast that show us a new pretty much. I guess it was he says, well, I'm glad you did it right? If you're going to. So so, you know, normally the story kind of cuts off you go to the beach, and then you make friends with an FBI agent, which probably wasn't particularly savvy. In the long run. And then they send out pictures to all the retired F B I agents, and he gets your picture, and that's how after the family went on the run. That's how you went down the second time. So that's two years later, right? So what I think it's really a shame is that when everyone tells these stories of drug dealers into they the is all about the drug deal. And I think the more interesting thing in my story select from the run tell you the truth how I did the fake ID's. Hallway bought halls is Holly bought businesses and in doing all these things? I mean, this guy wasn't any FBI agent used they had a Russian surveillance. You know, he was he retired. And is befriended him just because he came up to me and asked me one day about a wreckage filed in that he wanted to fish on that rack, I didn't know his FBI fine. Then I'd go to his house, and there's all these trophies awarded over. Yeah. I mean, we're you just like, you know, were you abouts crap your pants. I mean, you walk into this guy's house. You're like, oh my God is age. I want. Got to understand this is a little bit long story. But he's confide in these so much that you don't realize that someone's gonna government position like that once in that position always going to be like that. But he he retired goes down there and gets a boat. Goes, you know, his wife go out and sleep on the board and have sex the next day. He goes off to work as the state troop, this state trooper inside your ride detected like like a contract person. You know, if someone offs a Bank they bring him, and he doesn't like where they give them a call. There's a problem the house he goes back. His wife is shot himself. He tells you none of his friends know that he's telling me this. You know now is kid who was like assistant governor or the or something Alaska they find him in a garage with a vacuum hose in his car. And he's asking me somehow he knows a little bit of medical do. I think this stuff is redder, Terry and all this. And so we were fairly close his keyed woks once and his kid naked screwing this girlfriend on the couch smoking plot step size remarry. And who's he called to come talk to me? You know what I mean? So it wasn't like a casual relationship than we were the two captains we both had a boat our other friends for like the fishermen. So we didn't get drunk while. No, we made sure we got back. This was serious stuff. We're going fifty sixty miles offshore each some. We'd go out, you know, you could easily die this stuff down. So I expect something happened. He would call me and say, hey, Larry, the jigs off you gotta get your shit. They're gonna take the, but that's not the way it works. You know? They're always he's still if he's still fed through and through before he's a friend. He's a fed before. Exactly my mistake was I tell my brother I'd met ex FBI, and I didn't realize the government's recording his conversations fed up with call. You say that in kind of braggadocious way. Now, I just somehow he asked me something if Russi can never be too careful. I can't believe FBI you've been in. Like, he's asked me what time it was really worried. We said that because he knows he shouldn't ask me anything like that. So I gave him some time. It was like mountain time. I remember coming back until March. I think I the only one I really think it might be cooperating now, and I knew they can have been my ex partner because someone saw him in the library looking at Satistics as the humming. Dennis when people do that when they're thinking to resettle, and you know, and I got a message from his lawyer through someone else. I'd call that your friends are no longer your friends through I'll work against you. If he was let me know that his client, even though I paid the fee was his client was cooperating. How much time do you end up doing? Nineteen and a half years. And so I had a forty two years. Right. And I you know, I ended up getting maybe three or four years. I saw the probe where think four times I always think that as a wake guy a rich white educated. Penn guy that you got a lighter sentence for the amount of the amount of stuff. You're doing was insane. And there's people doing life for far less. I don't think. So I think it was actually exactly opposite. Like, you'll be Pollock and stuff. They talk about you know, like, I should know that he couldn't stand. They do get time like that. But they weren't at this time. You gotta look it. I did a lot of research what people would get for cocaine. I'm the only one in the history of the country that's gotten twenty two year drug cents on top of a twenty year. IRS no one else has got more than twenty year old in the hallways. The country. You know, he was forty two. And then you've got it. You got to convert it to twenty. No, no, the different sentences. If you add up, I arrest case. And then you add up the drug case, you know, you look at the guy competed meal funds could Paul judge such folly. I'll component y'all eleven years later on what your compared to his later on the craft laws. Keep out in the crack laws were these insane. Mandatory minimums, these guys got, you know, in my I would have got life for sure just for the cocaine among fourteen kilo to go live under the sentencing guidelines. That's why went up to the parole board because Larry you get this fence. But I'll do anything for you where you had two hundred eighty times the minimum amount. It takes to you know, to get life nowadays. So same thing you were saying, but up to that time, you didn't see cases where people don't like we got gonna marry it was much more liberal time the seventies and early and where did probably have happened had lane by thought guy guys did my presense investigation. There test is often they they showed the judge what they think you should he's every one of them in by case, he told my wife, I should get twenty years. He called up the night before and said, I gotta tell you my boss came in and told me if I recommend twenty years to turn on my resume. Nation political after men bias died. Remember the Boston short, I'll fix Scott. Everyone's looking to hang someone the country would not this is Newsweek guys miss that. They made up an e pay story of crack and all this didn't do crash to begin with. But still I was like the first person that docket was only like two weeks after that. She people thought I was going to get fifteen to twenty years, which is I mean, this is what people will get a bath. And things like that. No, always get these life. If you look back at time finding anyone that got forty two years for drug sense. But you you only got twenty something years for the drugs and twentysomething from the IRS. Yeah. But it's all the same case. I mean, you know, they, you know, what I'm saying they give you all together. I had seven different counts. You know, you could say, oh, he got, you know, five years for this tax year five years for that. I got fifteen union about four years for illegal use of a telephone device. Three is really used to help them. You know, I kept getting all these different charges that most people they make those things concurrent. But in my case, the new. So you think that using the lend lend buyers dying actually hurt your your case? I mean, I really think I have got twenty years. Thanks. Do you feel guilt and remorse for any of this? I feel guilty remorse for number things. One would be whether it's my family. My kids grew up without me, what it did to the other people that were friends by you know, messed up their vice inspire is like people doing the drugs. Sure. In the back of my mind. I should but I'd have to no concrete example. I just wasn't presented those everyone's going to say that's not you've gotta stand. I knew a lot of people that did this stuff every day or you know in. No. Well, I also know how many people went for overdoses to hospital in a year. I mean, the whole country was like twenty six hundred members busted, you know. So it's not it's huge number. So I just wish people would realize that there's so much drugs. I still is as big as they say, I was I was really tiny fish in. So many people would do recreational drugs. It's kind of like clicking drinking. If eighty percent of the people drink it have no problems. There's some people are always going to have problems. But we weren't there would like the street people. You know, maybe some of my people were there's no doubt about it. But most of our stuff was college this party, and that type of thing so. Relationship. Like now, if you with your kids. You know, I talked to him once in a while. And they're all doing real well. I'm happy with that. So this story kind of bores them. It's kind of funny that they don't they don't get all worked up over that type of thing. So they dealt with a pretty well. You know, they've been, you know, a couple of times I could have done things like sixty minutes and my wife at time asked me not to because you know, they were in grammar school or something. But you know, they're much older now and. That's about it. You know? What's what's your what's your life? Like now you live down in Tampa. You recently got remarried. I believe right. Not yet. Probably in may or something. We've got pure medical issues as last year we were dealing with enough. But yeah, I I'm really lucky I've forty one year old theon say into. There. Thrive in the cradle. They have rather. Most beautiful black girl you remember? Maybe. I like it. I like it. I like it and we've been friends now living together for I guess five years. I have a house out in the new Tampa. And you. Some of them some some of that money got buried in a in a. I am going to put you your blast there. But it seems like you, you know, there was a couple of dishes with some money. I've always seen asked to dig up any PVC. But I am a decent job in that. I went to this call center from halfway house, and I don't know within a few weeks. I was at top salesman. Next thing. You know is kind of like wolf of Wall Street next thing, you know, running to shift they see no director of operations, and that that moved on some people complained that had a felony Sunday client. So I've actually became the guy who built out all the new centers. So it's not unusual. Like, I was in San Antonio this year took me, maybe three or four months went down there and took her thirty six thousand square foot building in mater, but a three hundred seat call centre. It's like stay DR and put all the IT stuff and whatnot Utah, you're done with the life the lights over that that part I over. It's just too risky nowadays. No. If into the end, it's funny because people always ask that how can you just settle down? We'll tell you if you're ever on that Boscombe from prison to prison. You look down you see these people in their pintos or something they're all bored with their life, and their if they ever realized what wants to have to sitter there. You went before. You know, I definitely learned my lesson. You think of that nineteen and a half years? I mean, I talked to a lot of kids. They're only that old right? You know, think of your whole life to that age and you've been in jail. Hi, was the high of everything you went through being kind of the king of Philly to some degree was that at all worth. What you ended up paying the price ended a pain? No. I don't think. So I mean, I. You know, a lot of people think people do that just to become a physician and say like, I do feel some time. That was my city. I could get an awful lot done other. You know with the police or whatever I could get a lot of things on it. But it really was more the financial security. You gotta understand. That's what drove the time. I just wanted to be I feel at the pool club that my parents belong to him be turned away three impede jus. I didn't want my cute ever have to do something. Like that going to say, I feel that Larry like I grew up like, I was Catholic boy school. I get called to the office because I didn't pay whatever I couldn't register for classes, and I couldn't go to prom. And I went to college all on my own, but I didn't start dealing drugs. How is this working little side hustles like what is it that made you? Why did Kerry I said something like the I said something like, you know, sitting grew up for his his Larry I grew up without running water. I had to go to a stream to get water grew up. You know, I realize barking up the wrong tree there. I had to make my own water. I don't I don't have whole summer with no guests. So we had ice cold water all summer that was like thirty seconds showers at the most like, but I never I was too scattered along. I don't even drive like I don't even speed now. So what made you cry head larceny in my soul? There's just no question. That's the bottom line that I saw that ability and the win for. We're really close out. This is a little segment we call the Philly blonde. We're gonna ask you a quick questions and just give us quick answers. First thing that comes to your mind. Okay. All right. I'll start it off. Best piece of advice you ever got. Don't trust. Anyone greatest meal you've ever had in Philadelphia. Oh, I have to say it was. What's the seafood place? Finders book binders as Devon? I also talion place that was. Yeah. I'd go to Olympic fan the law. But. That guy he kicked down to that basement area. Yeah. George perrier. Philly leads you. Oh, yeah. It was funny. He was always trying to have me kept parties there, and you can imagine what he was looking for, you know. I remember one time you had me down there. I went through like five thousand dollars in wine came back throughout my wife. Wasn't time was drinking Gallo line says see what you get. You know is funny. I love that place. But there's the Salone this lose here. Still. What is your favorite movie truck dealer? I think tequila sunrise, if you remember that movie, he was non violent, and you know, he's just enjoying his life and he's trying to get out. And no one wants to let him out. Now you've had to books written about you. But what something people still don't know about you? They called me FANG. It's the kid because I had a tooth that didn't communal the way. My real good friends. Still call me. Favorite favorite sports, car you've ever owned because I knew you your car guy. The BMW, you know, I've had the the seven series. I had a six series by say the seven students where to stick that. I had was talk. Nice. When's the last time you did cocaine? Let's say it's been some time. Yeah. You know, it's unfortunate that the stuff out there, isn't that great anymore. How would you have? We do you know what? Marijuana's so good. You can do it. I know city you most want to go to that. You've never been. Right to see Toronto. I think it's my favorite city in. Honestly, are you allowed out of the country Toronto with Nick? Up. I have no obligations to anyone as far as okay? Restriction. Get into. Felony. You can't go to Japan with a felony. I'd like to go to Greece. And I'm trying to pick out where we'll go for a honeymoon. We'll go. Toronto. And I've been there. It's okay. A lot of people jacket best city in the world. All right, guys. Does sometimes semi Lincoln. Tell me how I listened to that thing. All right. We want to we want to send a out to Neal's for having tonight. Here's ironically enough. I don't know if no one bought this up. I wasn't going to do because I don't know if that was like going to be like a thing that like triggered him or whatever. But his his alias was Brian O'Neill. Waited till the end of that was something like he might have like here. Yeah. It was and start crying or something come come on. Mati low to Neal's. But man, this is going to be an all that was his name on Twitter and Facebook, I thought maybe you did that on purpose now, then I realized she didn't know, you're the genius. Alias. We went on the run was Brian O'Neill. Oh my God. Oh my God. Bartender, Phil from John. Consciously. I'm thinking that the whole. I knew that was something there sign there. All right. We want to thank everybody for listening, and we hope to catch negative on this woman. I have to be a two parter. Joe Joe, welcome to the home of brotherly love in blood. That you've creams cut short.

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LL 119: About Betrayal, Learning to Stand Up For Myself & Turning Pain into Purpose (The Story Behind Honestly)

The Lavendaire Lifestyle

31:29 min | 1 year ago

LL 119: About Betrayal, Learning to Stand Up For Myself & Turning Pain into Purpose (The Story Behind Honestly)

"Welcome to the lavender, like style, the podcast on personal growth and lifestyle design. My name's Leanne, I'm here to guide you to become a master artist every Sunday, you'll get new insight and inspiration on how to create your dream light after the episode the conversation continues in her lavender lifestyle Facebook group, so I can't wait to see you there. Life is an art make it your masterpiece. Hey guys, welcome back to the lavender lifestyle. It's a lean. So today is a solo podcast. Yes, it stressed me. So I normally don't do solo podcast. I just sprinkle them in here and there. And the reason why is because it's easier for me to just interview. I'm a listener. I like to observe people, I like to listen and absorb information, just so I can learn to. And it does take a lot of energy out of me to, like tell a full story and to just talk this much because I don't talk that much. I'm a concise person, I'd just like get to the point, and I'm done, but I know that you guys like this, although podcast and request them. I appreciate that. So thank you so much. So the solo podcasts are away for me to tell my life stories. What I've learned in my life and just illustrate with real life examples. So today, I'm going to tell a story that I have never told anyone online, it's more. Of a personal story, and I wasn't sure that I was ever gonna share it. But it was it's the reason the thing that propelled me to come up with that honestly album. So there was something that hurt me and it drove me to create this poem called, honestly, which led to the honestly album, which is one of the which is one of the creative accomplishments that I am, like most proud of in my life. So I think I just wanna illustrate how sometimes pain and hurt pushes you towards where you're meant to go. And the story is a little bit juicy there's a little bit of tea, and I never wanted to share it because I didn't want to bad mouth, anyone who's a public figure who people might know. But I you know what? It's been so long that I'm just gonna share it. Okay. So, before I get into the story, I have to announce that I recently launched the create your dream life online course. So if you. Haven't heard about it? It is a six week online course step by step program that I've created to help you discover your true potential release your fears and make your dream life reality. So if you feel like you're in a place where you're lost confused stuck. You're frustrated, you don't know where to start with your life. Maybe you just don't know how to make your dreams reality, or maybe you're craving, a life of meaning fulfilment than this course is for you. So, this course can help you discover your purpose figure out how to do what you love make a positive impact or simply how to create a beautiful fund and filling life ultimately, how to create your dream life, which is like the essence of everything that I love and I'm so passionate about this is like my thing, you know, becoming a master artist of life. How do you craft the life of your dreams? How do you take your dreams to reality, and build the positive mindset, the positive habits and? Overcome your fears all of that juicy stuff. I am so into and I'm so thrilled to finally be able to put it into a structured online course because all of my content is spread out in, like over three hundred videos over one hundred podcast in. Yeah, it takes forever like, no one's going to read everything, listen to everything. So if you really want to get straight to the point and have a step by step program. That's what this course, is about the create your dream, life course. So it's going to be like videos and worksheets, if you've done the dream life series on my YouTube channel, it is similar to dream life series, but it's more in depth with more content. More topics and more worksheets dream, life series is like the beginner surface level version, and then create your dream course is like the best most like intensive full program. I could ever create at my current level of expertise. So there's also going to be two bonus workshops at the end of the course. So one bonus workshop is on law attraction, and manifest. Thing and the other bonus workshop is on healing past wounds which I'm really excited about because it's a topic that is really important yet, I've never made a video or really podcast just on that topic. So I'm excited. There's also gonna be a Facebook community. I'm gonna do live Kyun as in the Facebook group. So you get to look at me live, be one on one with me. And it's gonna be a fun time. I'm excited because it's my first time launching an online course. But it's going to be fun. So if you are interested to Laven dare dot com slash dream life to join and currently enrollment is open. We have early bird pricing up until June ninth. So the end of June, ninth midnight PS, t that's the end of early bird pricing. After that, the price will go up, so definitely check it out. Check out the page, lavender dot com slash dream life. And I'm really excited to see guys in there in that group. And interact and learn and grow with you guys. All right now, let's get back to the story on what propelled me to embark on this creative project. That was the honestly Pete album. This is a story of my journey to discovering myself learning to be authentic and my journey to strength and self love. So if you listen to the first episodes on this podcast, I talked about my background. How I was a singer, I play piano. I was pursuing music for some time, I started a YouTube music channel in high school, my senior year of high school, I was already on YouTube, so throughout college, I was making cover song videos and kind of in the YouTube Asian American music community, but not really it wasn't super serious. My channel was really small. It was a just a fun hobby. So in twenty eleven I met these other YouTubers and I won't mention their names because this whole point of this episode is, I don't mean anything negative. Give to anyone this is all about my personal experience. What happened to me and the good that came out of it? Okay. So in twenty seven I met these guys who were also YouTubers starting out in their journey and they recently moved to LA. They were really excited to collaborate with YouTubers in the area and make music, make music videos together. And I was so on board with it because I was young. I had nothing better to do it sounded so fun. It was so collaborative there was this, like community vibe going on. So we made like a really silly music video in twenty eleven and we kind of stayed in touch we were like friends, and we made another music video in twenty thirteen and throughout those couple years, I really saw those guys as my friends, I was working for the sixty six night market, which is this food festival in LA, and I would see on stage and help book performers for our events. And I would invite these guys and our friends to like be on stage and perform. And it was just really like. A collaborative creative time in my life during this time these guys became bigger and bigger on YouTube. And they kind of were connected to everyone. They were really good at networking and working with a lot of different people in the industry, and in twenty thirteen we actually made another music video, and that one was much bigger than the first one that we made the second one actually went viral and it was on, like Chinese news and Taiwanese TV and it was actually it was fun because it was very random. But cool to just kind of get acknowledgment for something that you worked on with your friends, and it was all good times. So this entire time I regarded these guys as my friends, I was really happy and proud of the things that we were doing. I was having fun. I was like inviting my friends to come on our shoots and be part of the music videos, and we all had mutual friends. It was just kind of this, like community of all these issues miracles that knew each other everybody knew everybody. So fast forward a few months later, I had two friends come to me, and ask me like haywire. Does this guy hate you so much? Like, what did you do to make this guy blank? Hey chew. And this came from, like two people telling me that the person was speaking, the so weird. Okay. This story sounds so vague because I don't want to name any names. But just know that there are two guys in this YouTube duo, and I thought they were my friends, but I would hear from our mutual friends that, hey, why is this guy talking shit behind your back? Why does he hate you so much? What did you do to make him like hate you this much, and it was awkward position for me because I was like, wait, what? What did I do? I have no idea what I did. I thought we were friends, and I didn't know that they felt that way about me, and it was really weird. I didn't know how to deal with it. I don't remember if it was immediately after that. I got really hurts or it sunk in after the next couple months, or so, because keep in mind at by this time. Our friends were kind of interconnected. I had a handful. Oh, of friends, where working with these guys. And they were prominent figures in the industry, and I had to work with them for my job at sixty six market, because they were like kind of a big deal with, like get them to perform at our event. And it was really awkward for me to continue to try to work with these people knowing that they didn't like me, and that they were saying these things behind my back and the fact that we had a couple songs together would made it even more awkward, because when they were invited to perform at my event, they like sent me, an obligatory invite like, hey, I lean we're gonna perform it. Be cool. If you could come on stage and perform with us, and I got that message after hearing all of these bad things from my friends, and it was just awkward position for me to be in. So I asked one of the guys that I worked with who also worked with them closely. I was like should I do it should I just hold my pride down and perform with them or like, I don't know how to handle this. Relation and that guy that I worked with was like you know what? Don't don't do it just don't do it. They don't respect you. So don't do it. Keep in mind, this guy is like, really nice guy. And if he's saying, don't do it. They don't respect you, then that means like they really didn't. And it just hurt me so much because it's one of those awkward miscommunication things that I really don't know what I did wrong. But I was also too afraid to confront them and it was awkward to confront them and all of our friends were working together and on the surface, you kind of have to be cordial and polite, but behind all of that. There's something else. So weird experience for me, man and. And at this point, you guys probably think I'm the worst storyteller, because there is so much vagueness in the story and there's no detail because I don't want to turn it into a he said, she said thing because I don't wanna put anything out there that just, I don't know. So in the end, I took my friends advice, I said, no, thank you. I won't perform with you guys. And I left it at that, that was it. They performed. I think I was there. But maybe I just went I left the stage area just to go somewhere else, because it was just so weird to be in the same vicinity as them and after that we stopped talking, there was one moment where they did reach out to me to ask me to sing on something they're like, oh, we'll pay you couple of hundred dollars to sing on this track or whatever project they were working on. And I said, no, thank you. And from then, on, I really did realize these guys were transactional in their relationships. They were there for business like they will work with you, if it benefits them, but they weren't really. Here to be friends. And I think that really broke my heart because I genuinely thought we were friends, I genuinely thought that, you know, I met them when they just started it was, like all funding games in the beginning. It was so positive, and after a couple years of like experience with these people, I saw them burn bridges with other people. And it's kind of sad observation to see people work with them, and then they'll burn bridges with them. And then keep seeing your friends work with them knowing that they had bad blood with some other people just because they had some clout. I hope that made sense because these guys had clout I had friends that continue to work with them. Just people continue to work with them knowing that they weren't the best of people knowing that they burned bridges, and they would sometimes use people just to use people for their benefit. And you know, in my position, it was awkward when my friends would continue to work with them or be. With them knowing what they said and felt about me knowing our awkward, riff. It was just really weird for me to deal with that. But I couldn't really blame my friends are mad at them for it because I'm not going to control other people's relationships, but bottom line is it did hurt me a lot because I've never had such an experience where I thought like I could trust someone. I thought it was a real friendship, and then I was completely like surprised stunned. Completely caught off guard with the disrespect and the lack of support and just the Rulli fake relationship that it turned out to be. So when I was really hurt over this whole situation. I remember going to the nearby park, right next to my house. There was a grassy hill, and I just laid on the hill, and I was crying. I started crying, and I was wearing sunglasses and I remember having like tears behind my sunglasses. Because I was so heartbroken. Just never. I don't know it really hurt me. And I brought my notebook and I started writing this poem that I titled, honestly. And the poem goes like this. Honestly, who is the honest me? I can analyze evaluate my personality with Myers, Briggs astrology numerology. But who I really am in the end is simply who I wanna be that heroin. I've created in my head lives inside of me. She is me. It's that easy. All of the wonderful things I can imagine will come to life through me. The best women, I can create is the best woman. I'll be so I must create her with the most amazing qualities the best. I can think of in order for her to be the best because I need her to catch up to me, the message behind that poem was me learning to stand strong in who I am and love myself. Regardless and it might not sound like a relates to this friendship situation. But I think my whole life, I've just been such a people pleaser, I tend to want people to like me, and accept me and approve of me. When I met these people who I considered my friends, and I did anything I could to help them and support their journeys and to just be completely hurt and disregarded by them, that showed me that, yes, some people out there might not like me for who I am. And they might not accept me and love me for who I am. And although it hurts. That doesn't make me any less. Like I have to be strong and stand up for myself because if I don't stand up for myself, who will, you know, I had friends who, although I'm thankful for them to be the messenger. They didn't exactly stand up for me. They just relayed the message but continued to be friends with these guys. And ultimately, I think the relationship is between me and those two guys specifically one of them, but. I really had to learn to stand up for myself and see it from the perspective as look, this is me. Take it or leave it if you don't like what you see if you don't like what I have to offer if you don't respect me, then I'm sorry by your loss. You know, I had to learn to be strong instead of wanting to please everyone and get everyone to like me a big part. Also has to do with the fact that this was during my lost and soul-searching period where I wasn't sure who I was. I wasn't sure what I was meant to do in this world. And I said, in the poem, I was analyzing my personality with Myers, Briggs astrology numerology. I was really looking everywhere for answers of who I am, and what I meant to do. And I was just trying to figure out how to be that image of this heroin that I had in my head and I realized that I was that heroin. I just had to become that best woman that I could be a couple months later, I met up with a friend, do a songwriting session because at this time I was trying to. To write my own music. But I haven't written that full song yet, so at the songwriting session, we were just playing with a bunch of different ideas and nothing was really working until I had the courage to be like, hey, I have this poem. Maybe we can do something with this. Maybe we can turn this into a song, and I think in like an hour or so we just like banged it out the song. Honestly. So this is actually the first original song that I ever wrote with help from my friend, Austin Jose, and I love to play it for you. Now. This is me. It's. Second and see. Scene. This is. See. To. Need? Ends. The honestly. I hope you can hear how the song encapsulates how I felt during this time it was me soul-searching me learning to be honest, offense itself and learning to shed the fears and gain that courage to stand up and go for the life of my dreams. I was like, Finally, I gotta do it, the time is now, don't let anything hold me back. And that was really the stage that I got into because of I guess this pain in hurt that I felt before it led me to write the song it led me to stand strong in my authentic self it gave me the courage to own my dreams and own that. Pursuit of your dreams without being afraid of what other people think of you other people judging you because at this point, I already got the judgment. I already got people who didn't respect me and didn't take me seriously and thanks to those people who didn't like me, didn't believe in me. I was able to just be stronger as a person, I had to come to terms with the fact that if people don't like me, I have to accept that and move on and have to stop trying to please everyone stop trying to be on everyone's good side. And also realize that at the end of the day, I am the only one who can stand up for myself and love myself. Like I have to do that, first without expecting anyone else around me to stand up for me or love me has to come from within. So thanks to those people. They gave me the strength to embark on this creative journey because after writing honestly after writing that I song, I was like, oh, my God, I can do this. And so I set that. Goal to write more songs to come out with honestly birthday mix tape, which was a free mix tape that I gave to all my friends on my birthday. And after that came the honestly album, which I'm super proud of you guys can still listen to it on Spotify soundcloud, I tunes, and after the release of the album, came my honestly album party, which was the biggest party I've ever organized for myself. So I'm actually really thankful to the people that hurt me because pain, and hurt will push you to where you're meant to go. If you channel it in a positive creative way, there's the quote that I love your problems are your gifts. Everything that has happened to you. The has hurt you, whether it was a childhood trauma, or some kind of hurt pain, like us that for good use that whether it's in your career or use it to make you stronger use it to fuel. Your compassion for others. Use it to help others who are going through the same thing. So me after that whole experience. I really just distanced myself from that community. And I just focused on my music my album, which I really buried my head into, like, writing producing mixing. And if you guys go to my blog, I'm gonna add some photos to the blog post for this podcast episode on just photos of me making music during that time in twenty thirteen. So it's kind of cool to look back. It's like a little time capsule and a few months after I came out with honestly album. I also started this new blog project. I called lavender, which you guys know how that ends. So I really just distance myself from negatively and focused on my own self myself. Love my creative projects. And I just shed caring about what other people thought of me, I really got to stand up strong and learn to be. My authentic self unapologetically. That's what the theme of honestly was about just me being me me being a fighter and me being creative. I mean, there is a reason that the first video I ever uploaded was called how to stop caring about what others think of you because it was such a big lesson that I had to learn in my life that is still an ongoing lesson. But yeah, and I'm just thankful that I can tell the story because it's been so many years that I think it doesn't even matter what happened back, then, regardless, I am thankful for everything that has happened. I'm thankful for my problems. I'm thankful for anyone who has hurt me, who has wronged me and, you know, I don't like to be petty. And I don't believe in revenge, but I also like the quotes that your greatest revenge is your success, you know, if people disrespect too, or they put you down. They don't take you seriously. You don't need to defend yourself to them. You don't need to prove anything to. Them. All you need to do is focus on yourself. Be your authentic self and go after your dreams that's literally the best thing that you can do. Just go chase your dreams. Go kill it in life, and your success is the best revenge to anybody. And by the time you're there, by the time you succeed, you won't even care about, like spiting these people because it doesn't matter. You know, you realize that everybody has their own pains in challenges in struggles at they're going through as well that you become more, compassionate. You don't feel the need to hold onto it. You don't feel the need to hold the grudge eventually, I did learn to forgive. I went through this whole forgiveness stage in my life where I tried to forgive everyone who's ever hurt me in my life, and I did a lot of journaling sessions on like forgiving and letting go, and if you guys listen to the second episode of the podcast, it was about rewriting your stories through the eyes of love because you live out these stories but you can also rewrite them from a new perspective. So. No hard feelings, because everything that life throws your way is there to make you stronger is there to help you grow help you. Learn more about yourself and live life, more fully, and just really appreciate everything that you do have in your life because there's always going to be the ups the downs the goods, the bads and everything in between. But instead of looking at life as black and white as good and bad just look at everything as it just is, you know, this happened. It's not good or bad. It's both. It's everything it just is. And whatever that experience was, whether it was good bad in between it led me to where I am now. So no regrets for anything. I hope that, that story made sense, because I didn't do a great job organizing my notes before the story. I just kind of told it and went with it and Wilson tells me, I am not good. At telling stories because I go through in chronological order rather than rather than like structuring it in intr-. Way. So this is who I am take it or leave it. All right. I'm gonna end it here, love you guys so much as messy as the story was. I hope that you saw the lesson out of it, whether it was to become more of your offense itself, or whether it was to learn to turn all your problems, all the people who have hurt you in the past into a force, for good in your life. 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REShow: Guest Host Ryan Leaf, Steve Lavin and Jay Glazer. Hour 2 (03-18-19)

The Rich Eisen Show

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REShow: Guest Host Ryan Leaf, Steve Lavin and Jay Glazer. Hour 2 (03-18-19)

"Orig- is on demand. Your show your schedule. Fifteen minutes after ball dot com. Check out the casts at richeisenshow dot com. Tuck -nology truth brought to you by Geico. Truth. You will certainly send any text about your supervisor to your supervisor. What's janet? Thanks. Did. She lose a bet. With a weed whacker? Oh, sent wait. No, no, no, no, no truth. It's so easy to switch and save on car insurance at geiko dot com. Janet, I think my phone was hacked or something. Gogo fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. Welcome back. Everybody to the rich Eisen show filling in for rich out on vacation. We're gonna get into a little NCW bracket here. Joining us now is former head coach, Steve Laven, Fox Sports, college football or college basketball studio analyst, welcome to the show. Steve how're you doing this morning? Great great time of the year before to hoops madness. I bet I bet. All right brackets came out yesterday. Three ACC teams get the number one seeds. What was what was your takeaway with that? I do think as the year went along. That the ACC really demonstrated. They had more teams at the top with the firepower the overall strength their prowess to win a national championship or the punch through to final four Carolina. You know, went on a roll Florida state went on a roll Duke with silo him sin has been unbeatable without sign Williamson. They're, you know, capable of being beat Virginia, you know, pretty much through the regular season beat everybody they faced other than Duke and Intel the conference tournament loss had been dominant in their place. So it didn't really surprise me. There were three number one seeds. I think earlier in the year the big ten maybe was leading when it came to the best conference in the country. And they still have a great league deep league or well represented as they should be in this tournament field. But I think it's fair to say there are more teams in the ACC capable winning the national title than any other conference. Was there a team that you thought what was the biggest team that you thought got left out of the brackets yesterday? North Carolina, Greensboro has to be feeling. A bit chapter salty to win twenty eight games and be left out of the Termine field. That's difficult. I'm sure NC state because they were in the ACC such a tough league that has three number one seeds so this election committee. I think got it right overall. But it's never going to be perfect. And as a result, there's always a couple of teams left out, and it was very fluid. You know bracket SO often is when it was coming down the homestretch Saint John's interestingly the last team seated in the sixty eight the last team to get in. And interestingly they could also be team gets hot. They didn't play well down the stretch losing five of seven and lost by thirty two in the conference tournament to Marquette and that had me concerned from an optics. Standpoint they might be left out, but they'd done enough work early win over VCU and the two big ones over Marquette and the regular season, they got a dramatic comeback in the guard against Villanova that I think ultimately was the difference. If they don't win that Villanova game. They don't get in. But now they're team of it could be very dangerous facing Zona state in the first four coming up this week. Speaking of the I four right? I came to fruition of a a little while back. What do you think of having sixty eight teams to start this out rather than the sixty four that played? So I guess another team and opportunity to to get in. But d really feel like we're watching Zona state go back to Dayton for the second time with Bobby Hurley if they don't make it out of that. Are they still able to go out and believe that they were an NC NC double A tournament team? It's interesting. I think the way, you know, the the first four have you all is what gives it more credibility. You know, initially when it was just one game. But now that it's a full day or two days in Dayton and actually had the opportunity between my UCLA and Saint John's head coaching tenure I worked at ESPN for seven years and Brent Musburger, and I called those early games. And even though when we were calling those those games, we we we kind of looked into the future. And then we're thinking wouldn't it be great if they had a one or two day event? And so I think it now has a better feel to it. And it's great for Dayton. And and if you're, you know, a player or coach rather not be playing in that scenario, but at the end of it, you're happy to have that opportunity. Today ans- to keep the season alive to extend your season. And we're going to eventually see at some point a team starts there. And makes it to a final four, and you know, may may be a while before we see that. But eventually with some of these power conference teams that come out of their tough leagues, you know, bloodied. But unbowed is I like to say teams that have ten eleven twelve thirteen losses. But unlike college football where two losses and your season of championship or within the national championship in college. We see consistently now teams with ten eleven twelve thirteen losses that make it to the final four or compete for a national championship even winning national championship. Because those losses inform a better way to play and if you can be resilient bounce back. Now, you're playing at your best late in the season. You've seen everything as you get into the tournament. You've had overcome much like a metaphor for life where we draw our experiences, and they inform. Better way. If we've learned from the setbacks, and that's what the coaches are able to do good parents or teachers it's all about each day growing learning. So I overall like that I four, and I think it's grown to a point where now it has the credibility in this kind of the precursor to tip it up on Thursday. You're listening to Steve lab. Foxsports NC double a basketball analyst. I wanted to get into the handful of teams you think could win the national championship. I thought it was more or less four or five a few weeks ago. But I really think with the with the way the tournaments played out a lot of the number one seeds knocked off some other teams. Auburn wins the SEC Michigan state continues to win. What are the number of teams? You think that are capable of actually winning the national championship this year? You know, I've got in my final four. And of course, we all know that our brackets get turned upside down while we call it madness. So let's begin with just enjoying the madness as our office pools. And and brackets get turned upside down. That's the beautiful aspect of trying to predict what eighteen to twenty two year olds are gonna do under duress with the spotlight of the NCAA tournament. Now being as great as any sporting event in the world, you know, for my final four, I've got Duke, Kentucky, guns, aga- and Tennessee. Do out of the east Kentucky mid west odyssey comes back in the west Tennessee in the south, but a team like Syracuse a dangerous that could be tough match up in the second round. If they punch through and they end up facing guns that zone defense Jim behind no stranger to the tournament and the adjustments. He makes within that zone. Whether he collapses it to the basket area like an accordion or he can extend it as well to get out in the passing lanes to trap particular players or based on the clock time score personnel. At does a lot of things. It's not a hands up. Harry, you know, stationary two three zone. It's it morphs. It's a chameleon and we've seen the success. My competence has had bringing Jim behind zone to the Pac twelve so, you know, what it shocked me if a team like on gets knocked out. No because they've got some work ahead of them as well. And yet, I think overall guns and has the most favorable bracket. Of the four number one seeds speaking of the favorable bracket. I think Michigan state could've qualified as a number one seed, not only do they not get the number one seed beat Michigan three times win the big ten and they get stuck as the number two seed. But in the bracket with Duke talked to a little bit about that positioning for that team. And what it looks like for Tom Izzo on that crew? Ironic that probably Michigan, you know, ends up as a two seed in a more favorable region. Than Michigan state does beat them, you know, three consecutive times on their home floor on an Arbor. And then turned around to close out the big ten championship in east Lansing, and then they get him in the conference tournament. So yesterday, I can only think if I look at that that may be the selection committee was considering all these injuries. And again, that's a touch of irony there because as they lost Morgan or Nick ward, you know, even had an injury yesterday. Maybe that affected the seating and the thinking, and so sometimes that's a catch twenty two. You can be winning games as Tommaso did. But as you have injuries, this electric makes it clear they factor that into the seating. And so maybe they felt that Michigan state of the twos was the least likely to punch through to a final four. And then. Busted, the brackets accordingly. So there's so many variables to this. But Tom Izzo in my view did the best coaching job of anyone in the in the high major levels. You know, they're look at Houston, obviously with Kelvin Sampson that he build a case for him being a national coach of the year as well. And and there are a lot of great candidates. Jay Wright, maximizing his personnel with what he lost last year. Four players drafted in the top thirty three of the NBA. And he comes back wins another big east and then a big east tournament championship of third straight year. First time in forty years in the big east that that's happened. So a lot of great coaching jobs by put Thomas those right up there. And yet I probably didn't get the most favorable seat. Steve put your coaching hat back on here. And pretend you're Tony Bennett. After what happened a year ago, again, a number one seed, how're you approaching the first round here on on. I don't know if they're gonna play Thursday or Friday, but but how are you approaching it with your team? How are you going about after what what transpired last year? Well, number one element is those players know coach Bennett knows that they lost their best player the week of the NCWA tournament de'andre hunter. And so be the equivalent Lakers lose LeBron, you know, for their level relative to college basketball or we saw Duke when Zayn Williamson went out the effect that has on their team so Virginia already played with a small margin for air last season. Probably cause their style of play the deliver tempo posing their preferred Tempa, which is deliberate kinda surgical. In nature. This team is better offense. We their shooting the ball with the best of the country. They cover all the defensive statistic number one and two in the country and every important defensive category. So I think that team and coach is aware not that there's the natural. You know, intimidation that kinda palpable, you know, desire that you can feel with the team. And I'm sure coach Bennett's where they gotta punch through that first game. But I don't think Bill focus too much on that. I think the goal of coaches to keep your team locked in on the task at hand and to keep the drum roll the same. There's a routine in a rhythm. We know all athletes coaches and teams have and it's different for each team. And each coach, but you wanna stay with that drum roll. And that doesn't guarantee that you're going to have success, but you're more likely if you can replicate and duplicate and again basketball like life a game habits right as air Stahl teaches us, and so no better team in terms of basketball fundamentals and of strong habits than Tony Bennett. Twenty Bennett's father. Dick Bennett grew up in Wisconsin used to go to Vince Lombardi's practices, and that's where he really developed a coaching philosophy. Even though it's. Basketballs opposed to football like Lombardi when you watch their teams it's blocking and tackling passing and catching fundamentals. It's jump stops footwork and pivoting. It's hitting the open man with precision right in the shooting pocket and other often imile sound in terms of staying on balance not jumping in the air to make passes. But instead sitting down and pocket passing or fan. The ball back on the perimeter just being solid ball security. They never turn it over always one or two in the country. And so that family tree from Wisconsin. The dick Bennett's the Bo Ryan's the Tony Bennett's. Not surprisingly great guard, Wisconsin, they all have very similar philosophy. So I don't think they'll be focused on the one sixteen but instead the task at hand garden, people and playing cohesive manner basketball and defense creating their offense and and understanding playing a game with with an intelligence. Steve Ivan for vox, Steve Lavin from Fox Sports. Steve thanks for taking the time. I can't wait for the tournament to to get kicked off here. We really appreciate you, really. Give us everything we need to know about what's to take place this weekend. Thanks so much. Take care, man. Look forward to watch offer Wolford they shoot lights out from distance got some senior guards to if you're handicapping racing form dangerous. That's it. That's that's. Inside info for former head coach Steve lab, and there's your there's your your inside or right there. That's the Cinderella. When we come back. We're gonna listen to my friend, Jake laser talk a little NFL football. You're listening to the rich Eisen show. I'm Ryan leaf. It happens to the best of us right before big deadline or just when you're printing handouts for a key presentation. The printer runs out of ink. Are you tired of frequent expense and hassle of replacing ink cartridges with an internal Inc storage tank? Larger ink cartridges and intelligent page gauge that it displays Inc levels brother Inc. Vestment tank printers can literally change the way you Inc. Brother inc. 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Jay Glazer is gonna join us tradition uncomfortable. Comfortable Jay Glazer is gonna join us here in a few minutes to talk a little NFL offseason. I I really wanna talk to about really about how the OB J situation came through. You know, how it worked out how we got there. And we're gonna welcome in right now. This is Jay Glazer foxsports NFL Sunday. Also, Bela Tor, m a broadcaster and analysis, but what I know. So well for is the founder of merging vets and players MVP good friend of mine. Good front of the show. Welcome J. Good morning. Good morning. How you doing brother? I'm doing great, man. This is this is a lot of fun. Thanks for coming on this journey with me, a lot of people don't know. But you, and I you know, we knew each other. Of course, when I played you worked a lot for CBS when I was down in Tampa. You learned a few things about me and my teammates with John with with Lynch and with Rhonda and all those guys, but we we went our separate ways. Right. You moved up the ladder. I fell to the bottom of the earth and about two and a half years ago Nate Boyer brought me into a little program you started. And what what has transpired since that moment. I mean, really. The best part is Nate brings Brenner you in. And he goes man and bring them Ryan leaf a Ryan leaf don't bring up the beep beep in here and Nate being the great human being he is goes. Hey, j you don't decide who we help freaking Nate. Why they got to be such a good person? For the people out there. Don't know. It was amazing. We had a veteran in there who's who's going over and he was homeless, and it was talking I met this girl and had no value in man Ryan raised his hand from it back in the room. You guys talking about value money? Just you guys know as Ryan we've had everything had all the money in the world, I could possibly want. And you know, I ended up, you know, after my career ended would say Ryan said I had a mansion and San Diego, you know, multi million dollar contract and still even without you try to kill yourself so money doesn't solve everything. And then you're making fifteen bucks an hour. Driving people to from reality. The happiest I've ever been. And I'm like, oh my God. His dude could save millions of lives if we bottled up man and get it out there. And surely is happening. I'm very proud of you. And I know what the daily battle for you and anybody else, but it's you know, nothing's done perfectly. In fact, you keep doing it, more and more and more. That's the journey is the is the success. It's not, you know, subtly finally get somewhere that hit its journey ups and downs at the success. And you know, you've I thank God every day of my life. You walked in that, Jim because you became a vehicle for us also help save lives. And I I think that's going to be my legacy. That's got put me here on the earth to try and use about big mouth to save lives of our veterans a lot of players and athletes. Have you know, been around for so many years in the NFL have to be like you come in there and help this journey with me. I'm forever grateful. What's been the biggest? Takeaway and transformation seeing these vets and former players come together. Why is it? So why does it work? So well. I think they look up each other look bad ass in power other bad asses. You know, it's and football players. And you know, they've always looked up to combat vets, and, you know, athletes up to combat vets and look up to pro athletes when they're out there and battle he's out there days on end, they look forward to getting back to base and watching football game or watching a fight or watching a game. It just you the commonality between the two it just made so much sense to put these two together and have them coach each other up and running you've been in the room. This is smartest group of people. You over be around in your life. We every Wednesday night we made it I'm breakable my gym. And in Hollywood for the chapter as your group that could talk about suicide because talk about depression could talk about God getting blown up shot at shot down and laugh, two minutes later and. It really is incredible. How much how much tolerance this room has? They can say, hey, we may not agree with it was in that everybody says or doesn't air, but we fought for your right to do something. We don't agree with even that alone is so much so much better statement than anything I ever come up with. It's been transformational in my life. I know it's been transformational in the yours. We're listening to Jay Glaser from from FOX NFL Sunday NFL insider, I wanted to talk a little bit about, of course, the the big prognostication you made a couple of months ago about old L Beckham junior, of course, possibly be on the trade bloc. You've got a lot of feedback for that. And then late last early last week on it. Yeah. Late last week. It goes down Gettleman sends them over Cleveland now reunited with Jarvis Landry. And now with second year quarterback. Baker Mayfield talked to us about how that I'll transpired and played out. Look what I said. You know, I made it was a prediction. But was something. I knew was going to happen that you know. I was really kinda surprised at the reaction was because you know, it started in New York people knew a lot of giant stories. I've been very wired in this is nineteen ninety three. So the reaction back like it wasn't gonna happen. I didn't know what I was talking about gotta taken aback. I was hey there about people then they really started fired off the way only New Yorkers can. So I fired off a very New Yorkers way as well. And but it was interesting like a couple years ago. You know, I said on Sunday that Jim Horo would not be back as head coach the forty Niners. No matter what even if they wanna shoe bowl that year, and I got killed for that. But it ended up happening. And this was this reaction was probably ten times more violent and more vitriol than that one. And it's like, hey, I'm just telling you what can happen. That's what you guys Amy for you guys. Fast. She got before. And you know, if I say, I wanna make sure I'd rather be right. One hundred percent of the time and never first story. And I on a bunch of them and be wrong. Five percent of the time. I want people know if I'd say something talking about Senator anywhere else. You could take it to the back. And you know, I will responsibility to even other guys on the show that that's a level. I you know, I see that format. So I was kinda I was taking back by. But it's also Ryan was information. I had that new going on, and yeah, you know, I get come out also today and talk and say, well, this is just something that came about with the Browns. That's true came about late with the Browns. But this was just a sometimes relationship just fizzles out. This off season has been already fireworks glor- right Livy on bell is gone. Antonio Brown has gone yet. They're still rumblings out of Pittsburgh that the real issue may have truly been and we saw with the Colbert quote about having fifty two kids in the locker room it mailed to mentally Big Ben our franchise quarterbacks. Do they have too much power in those locker rooms that it could decimate an entire franchise one? Even like the Pittsburgh Steelers that has been dominant for years and years and years. Decimated because they've they've been dominant for so long maybe coming to ahead right now and get some kind of relationship, you know, just time and yet, you know, Ben, definitely has a lot of juice. I wanna come out and say that he has that much juice 'cause alienates everybody else, and it really gets that. But yeah, we know the quarterback job an awful lot of power, and they spend more time with their head coach if he's an offense coach, and that's you know, that's your feel general if we wanna go with, you know, military. When when you have an off season like this. Sometimes the quiet ones are making the biggest advances. Right. Where is it? Been quiet this off season for players that need to make a big jump into this year. And what are you expecting from people like that say Sam darnold who just picked up lady on Bill others that are having a really quiet off season. Like, it should be not a lot of news. And we're gonna see him when camp opens up in late July. You know, it's interesting the way all seasons gone. It's going where because you know, it's a copycat league for two years ago. The eagles win the Super Bowl. They did it by bringing in a bunch of guys trading for the giants, and you know, sign alshon. They Bill me off into why they did that they kinda they real deal last year. The Rams do an awful lot of wheeling and dealing so people looking to go. That's that's that's the norm for right now. The league is sick would go and we'll go back down because I like what the colts don't all this money. And they're like we're not gonna spend during the insanity. Phase. There's always insanity cities of free agency, always happens. But if you sit tight then all of a sudden you can start getting these really great deals like bears with with. And you know, there's a couple other a couple of other studs kind of dropped out here. You kind of get these lower lower deals now. Now, the things calm down. But you. You know, it's the insanity about I wave. There's always a huge divide between those who end up spending. And those who say, let's wait it out. We're listening to Jay Glazer NFL insider, FOX NFL Sunday. More importantly, founder of MVP merging vets and players. You can go to WWW dot vets and players dot org to check it out. Let's get you out of here with this one. The big story, of course in the off season. I think before the the OB Jay. Trade was Antonio Brown. Whereas you're gonna go what are the Oakland Raiders doing? Is it something that is going to be impactful enough this year to be? Competitive in the AFC west or is this still going to be a work in progress for a couple more years under Jon Gruden? Are still being maybe help defense. Right. He passed archers need help defense out. You know, having a guy like AB firmly healthy, it's interesting people are gonna why AB only go for three to five in del went for a one two three and peppers the differences that the Steelers they showed her hand. There's no poker or like, we we just did somebody traveling. We want to get rid of where the giants able to hold their cards much closer to the vest and act like, oh, we're not gonna do it. We're not desperate to get rid of them. You know, if something comes along, we'll do it even though I know that, you know, their intention was straight stratum. There was a disparate diff-. They've played it differently. AB is still one of those dynamic playmakers in the NFL the raiders an awful lot of holes that they need to fill over there. I think the key is how to use these draft picks they use these draft picks. Well, and they hit on them. And yeah, the the raiders are building the right way. If they don't then. And, you know, get rid of Khalil Mack and still make a lot of are. They is are they are they saw it on his Derek Carr going to be the guy moving forward in Oakland. Or is there still a chance that he's not what Jon Gruden necessarily wants and his kind of offense. And there could be a quarterback change still before the start of the season. I'm not going to predict. Do one thing they do another just, you know, even when I said, I was the one who broke the story about them looking at train Amari Cooper. And they said, no not happening. And it was trying to few days later week later. You'll even how the whole Khalil Mack went down. They kind of go back and forth back. I do think they have grown up in the room now and Mike back. I think that's great. They gotta grown up in that room that it's gonna help that team. We'll think Jay. Jay Glazer from NFL FOX NFL Sunday as well as NFL insider. I just wanted. You know, of course, say to you, you're you're a huge factor in the fact that I'm actually sitting up here hosting the show today. I am so grateful that you got to be on the show today to share this with me. So I appreciate you, brother. Keep doing what you're doing. I love the I love it. I'd rather be late. And right every single time than than I and wrong in a portion the time keep it up. We'll look forward to hearing from you soon, brother. Appreciate it, man. Love you, man. Remember, I hope you took my vice and you wore pants studio Tate. Vance. I didn't I didn't. I thought that would help. I gotta go over this. You just don't learn still learning still learning about this broadcasting entertainment business jig laser everybody, FOX NFL Sunday, mentoring, fine. He's awesome. Always great. He's helped me a ton. He's a time to talk to you know, what his thoughts about Ben Rothlisberger. I have I have this theory that that if you're if your general manager comes out and says, there's fifty two kids in the locker room and the one adult that can't be good. I don't care if you get rid of every problem child. They think they have the problem may be the guy that has too much power, right? If someone has to declare that you're a leader. You're definitely not a leader. Right. And I think we can see that time and time again with the Steelers that Ben Rothlisberger is also part of the problem. You know, these other two guys live on bell and Tonio Brown taking a lot of heat for their distractions, quote, unquote. But then is the guy who routinely throws his teammates under the bus in the media. And so. Did you find it ironic, then when Tony Brown went out during his press conference in? Oakland and the words came out of his mouth about how he was going to hold teammates accountable. The guy who quit Steve guy. He'd, but also right wasn't one of his biggest complaints was that Ben held accountable for when he running did it did it through his radio show and did it through reporters right now. I didn't do it in the locker right and come up to him and say, hey. X y z we can be better here. But I will say this when I was a quarterback in the NFL you started to develop a relationship with your teammates through the media. It was problematic. They would write articles in the paper. Your teammates would read it. There would be distance or friction in the locker room because of it. We really have a hard time with open communication in those locker rooms, I would've loved him able to talk to the guys and tell him that it wasn't. This wasn't a case that wasn't the case. One of exiting shots out the door from Pittsburgh. Of course was like I have been to bench house one time. Right. He's been to my house. One time. And it was funny that the video that he did. Derek Carr was him going over dare cars house on the first day. I mean, this is a little too on the nose. Right. I mean, it's these Aries hugging there one thing. He also complained about was the fact that in the off season. He didn't have the opportunities to. Play catch with right or didn't get to work out with them. We've seen all these videos of Derek Carr Brown working out together sneaking into high schools together to work out with one another. It seems like he's going out of his way to say this is what went on in Pittsburgh. And it's going to be totally different Oakland. Just look awesome. It is Oakland already. It seems like he's really going to a lot of efforts to make that be known until their foreign twelve then because what happened. What happened when he left Pittsburgh or when he asked to leave, Pittsburgh, right? All those actions all the things that he's talking about those are things he can't control, right? He can't control Ben treats them or how organisms treats all he can control is what he does. And what he did behaviorally that final week what he did to sabotage probably a lot of lot of trades. That went down the interview he did down with the with the blond moustache in Miami. Darlington. None of that helped. Right. And that was all his behavior. No matter where you go there. You are. I said that earlier. Right. So he ends up in in Oakland. What's going to change? Right. Because clearly the personality you just don't change if somebody shows you who they are believe them right until until they give evidence over and over that they're going to do the next right thing differently. He likes. It's a brand new shiny car right now. You know it smells good. Which is hard to do when that call a in Oakland to smell good. But that's where they're at right now. I question is how long before he's not getting the type of touches he got. I do think John gruden's probably going to put him in a position where he can be successful. He went out and got the best wide receivers. What he said, I also have a kind of a little bone to pick around the idea that. When you see somebody behave this way. And then when he signs the big deal, you see a lot of enabling behavior from other NFL stars around the league tweeting about way to get yours. AB? Okay with that. But you kind of able people's behavior moving that way. If you say, you didn't this guy just quit on the team and week seventeen last year, and then demand trade with three years left at his contract. Right. Where do you do you like what's going on right now? 'cause ABC kind of went the NBA route. We saw Jimmy Butler we've seen with other NBA players. I don't like where Matt trade me. And you think we're gonna see a new world order and the NFL why I think he had different kind of leverage than than a lot of different players necessarily. All pro just producer on the football. I mean, he's on the path to being a hall of fame. Right. His his leverage was a little different. I think, but I also I also do think that like if you are essentially a hostage-taker now as a player, that's instance, they took he took the Pittsburgh Steelers hostage. Because no matter what anybody says at buffalo trade was was in the works buffalo, and he torpedoed that wasn't. I'm not going to buffalo. Right. That's essentially what he said or and that just that that doesn't work out that way. Jay with a lot of insight there. When we come back. We're going to we're going to talk a little bit more about the NFL offseason. I think it's been pretty interesting like everybody else fireworks. I liked his point about those teams that don't watch like hell week transpire and make impulsive crazy decisions. I think that's huge. I also wanna get into the idea of drafting a quarterback in the draft having him under that rookie contract and building around it. And maybe you don't end up signing, these guys these big, huge contracts. You find guys that bit the role load around at the Rams did who knows what Jared goff's going to be a year from now when that fifth year option comes around talk more about that. When we come back. You're listening to the rich Eisen show. I'm Ryan Lee. Thank you. Everybody's got it to do list. Drop off the dry cleaning pick-up some milk. Here's an idea. Let's add save hundreds of dollars on car insurance to that list. And the good thing. You don't have to drop off or pick up. Anything? All you have to do is go to Geico dot com. And in fifteen minutes, you could be saving fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Extra money in your. 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She won't get it on and off. But she'll at night. I'll come in and will four hours pass them. Like where are you? She goes, I'm in the portal. You can go in Instagram going and never get in and out. I post I'm out. You know what I'm eating out? I don't I don't need to see the likes. I don't even see those things caught up and just like running through people's stories. Yeah. But it, but then like you read you get into a trance like five minutes ago. I'm buying. I don't even know what. I just watched speaking transis, right? So the truecar poll question today. Yeah. Let's check on the poll question right now talking about which one seed best chance to win the tournament before that though poll question by by car car shopping, be confusing. Terms like dealer price with price invoice, truecar shows you would other people paid for the car you want. So you can recognize a good price when you're ready to buy new or used car, visit truecar to enjoy more confident car buying experience. Right now, everyone thinks dukes got the best chance to win as one seed sixty three percent right now. Gonzaga fifteen percent fourteen percent, North Carolina. Eight percent for Jinyan. Ironically, Steve lab and felt that guns AAC probably had the easiest. Easiest path to go. That does go through your Syracuse. I mean, we're probably not gonna win you're younger than me. Yes. By a couple years. So you you when you were at Syracuse. It's well known communication school. Did you go through communications, right? Yes. Did they did they ever show? A young Ryan leaf yelling at a reporter in a locker room to to how to how to adjust or how to deal with that. With what year was that? Again, that would have been probably my off more nineteen ninety eight and it would have been after my third game in the NFL. I think we have the video here. All right. Late junior sale. Pulling me away. That's very embarrassing embarrassing humiliating thing. Well, the thing is I think a lot of people when your name comes up. That's one of the first things, unfortunately that is comes to people's minds. It's a character. Right. Ryan leaf eels it reporters. I mean, it was one time but Ryan leaf yells at reporters. Right. So I think there's something karmic too about the fact that I'm now report. Going to get yelled at and I'm going to respond better than J poser did in that in that instance. You know, it was a situation where I just would. I didn't timid eight people. That's how I that's how I want in my mind is I didn't intimidate people and put them in a position. And I was twenty two years old. You know, thought I had everything that I had all the answers. I was rich famous football player that that means I was a better human being than you. So I treated people accordingly. Right. And it stuck with me for a long time. It still does you remember the gym Evert, Jim Rome? Chris Evert thing that happened. Right. That was that was Byrol. There wasn't necessarily viral video that existed going on in that, particular instance, what was the nature of the Conwell the day before we played against Kansas City. And I played the worst football game. I've ever played in my life. I was humiliated. I was in barest while in the locker room the day before a cameraman number back in the day. They had this huge batteries on the back of the cameras. He swung around. I was standing up a hit me in the hit me in the temple around. My I split my eyebrow. Open. I lost. It I yelled at this guy. Jay Poulsen was in the corner. I think an documented the whole thing and the next day wrote it in an article about how I how I dealt with that embarrassing losing thing. And so I can front of him after the gaggle on our morning walk through after doing walk through. And I kind of laid it out like, hi, I'm in charge here. I'm going to be here for a long time. You better learn how to get along and the locker room needs to be a sanctuary of sorts to when things happen like that. And you know, like any probably good reporter in that instance, beat writer. He kinda baited me like I'll do what I'll do what I I need to do. Right. That's not that way. It works. Right. And then I just okay. So I'm gonna make this thing. I'm gonna show you who's in charge here. And I kind of. Moved him and put him onto that share in the cameraman and the corner was doing another interview, of course, around got me trying to be that guy standing over the top of him. And and Yellen. Adam junior comes gets me. He threw me in the shower. Put me finish. Our turn it on cold used to call me, baby. Boy, I said baby boy cool down. We'll talk about this later. Pretty pretty amazing mentor. I had in him and didn't utilize but from that moment on and then how I responded to it. That's the biggest thing. It wasn't how poorly I played. 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Episode 34: Michelle Lavin

The First Degree

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Episode 34: Michelle Lavin

"Thank you for listening to this podcast. One production. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree the first degree. You're supposed to have it in movies, not real life. I think that we were kind of in hiding for like two two and a half weeks. And I do remember being in my grandparents house, and how many time didn't see them a lot. But you my sister. We're told if you see your data neighborhood while you're out playing come home immediately run. Don't stay don't talk to them. Run. Hey guys, welcome to the first degree the true crime podcast that you might end up on. My name is Jack Vanik. I'm sitting across from Alexis linkletter and next to Billy Jensen. And today is what Billy happy American circus day. Oh my God. One out of all of them. Yes. Why, why? Because demos coming on. Bo is coming looks like depressing movie, and he's, they made them to cute. But no, I was thinking more about German. Casey. Oh, obviously, obviously, it's also happy fish fingers, and custard did that's the one that I was looking at Mike. How does that even become a thing in general? And then had over to Shay. Yeah. Doesn't British but I will say probably one that everybody can relate to on this Wednesday. It's national don't go to work unless it's fun day. That's Jack's life. I know. And that's why I'm here because it's a fun workday. Yeah. Motto is puke in rally can rally I'm puking early professional either way. I went somebody posted a bunch of your a link to all of your old picks. And I had no idea my old, my space, my space in the Email picks had no I had no idea for Google crush on me now. And no. You guys don't. I will get a rash of messages. It becomes my problem. Everybody only all already thinks, I'm in love with Billy because I make fun of him. But they don't realize that I make fun of everyone. Yeah, the no, the I was very impressed. I mean, that was some hardcore emot- it right. There was a scene Queen athletic her, and Jared, or the king, and the Queen of the Email. Yeah. What can I say? Yeah. You're also unlike who she dating or whatever, like that aren't going deep Google. It was right there. You are. Third wheel kick me out of this podcast. It's Billy Jackson love podcasts. I'm maybe probably get more downloads than we get now. Sure. Can we talk about how Billy shows up every day when we podcast with just beers? Fears it has an as in my little man bag satchel. And here's the reason behind that. And I think it comes we're gonna get psycho local for a second. So my father used to take me to ball ballgames. He would we would have a but Oculus, and he would take the binoculars out the binoculars case and he would put three Budweiser's in the binoculars case to sneak into the into the game. So he would drink three on the way to the game because that's what you did back then drank beer in the car, the legal with, and then you and then he would sneak those in and I would carry them. So like the people wouldn't say anything because it's like, what did not going to search a kid, and then he went. Mmediately in jail now. He would be so pissed at sports right now. We would always either buy tickets from scalpers or give the usher twenty dollars and get to the front seats and everything. But yet you can learn more about him in my audiobook, which is out on. Wow. It's all tied up on his audience. You brought up the beer but they were eleven culture starches with me. But I, I will say, yes, and it is, yeah. There is. There is very much a part of a big part of it is in the beginning, is me and my dad, and then he passes away. Well, since you are plugging things shamelessly. Do you wanna put your other podcast to? Yes. Jack my other podcast called Jensen and holes the murder squad. Jensen hold sounds like a porno. Yeah. Well, you know, BJ at holes was taken. So we had to. What even hall? Put a bit in Sweden EJ and a whole. Yes. So if you want to actually solve crimes with us that is the podcast, check out, and you're not allowed very serious on that one. Yeah. I'm not joking on that. When there's no days that I talk about. But there is a we do we do talk about something called the weekly distraction, where we talk about what we're being distracted by other than crime at the end of each episode. That's what we are going to de right now is categorized Billy's role here on this podcast in that if you want to hear the softer side of Billy Johnson. This is where you need to come in here him on his audio book, you can hear him with hot for holes. But if you want a giggle, a smile, a reminiscent, anecdote from villian. This is the place about his childhood. He's not gonna do that on a serious shit IRAs. No, giggling on. Cares me Spanish in my audio books. I had to do a trying to pay good money chasing after murder a murder fugitive in Spanish, and my Spanish is so horrendous. And I hope they worked it all together all together 'cause it's going to be. It was not fun. Well, I do have to say that when we came together as a trio to start this podcast. I didn't know Billy that wall. And I didn't know that you would fit in so well with the gals. So. Silliness, and I think America does as well here perfect. Thank you, Jack. Thank you, Alexis. All right. So we're going to get to it and today's story brings us to Kaiser, Oregon. And we have probably one of the most interesting first reconnections on this episode that we've had yet. I'm just gonna let Chelsea explained and let the story unfolds. So I won't ruin it. But here's Chelsea Laven. I grew up in Kaiser, Oregon, what we lived in a neighborhood with a lot of other kids, like my, my chosen, she was in our eight. So we were outside all the time. But, I remember he just having a good childhood. I remember hanging out with my family and my cousins and my grandparents, and I had a little sister. So Chelsea's, parents were Michelle, and Charles Levin in may, basically, met in married in Reno Nevada on March fifth in one thousand nine hundred one and two months after they got married Michelle realized that she was pregnant with Chelsea, and all this kind of should have been a really happy, exciting time, new marriage, new pregnancy. But unfortunately, signs of trouble within the relationship between them. Already started to kind of pop up and things got really rocky. So one year after their marriage Michelle left Charles and filed for a restraining order against him in a judge granted her a one year order. I don't honestly I don't remember anything bad between my parents. So it's kind of interesting. I think they did a really good job of kind of concealing. What was happening keeping it behind closed doors? Why? No, he was pretty controlling now. I didn't really see it back then because I was on the I remember one incident were. She would go jog around than writing, I would go with her, and we could only stay. So there was like three streets and then Kozak each side street, and we could only go on our street between the two coldest talks weren't allowed to go anywhere else in the neighborhood. And she was like, okay, Chelsea. We're going to go to the front of neighborhood in box. Don't tell your dad. I was like, oh, yeah. Okay. I was probably like six or seven at home. And I told him and I just she was just so upset. And I know you know, he's probably got so mad because he was so controlling but I just didn't know back then we never did that again. But then Michelle Charles reconcile, and the relationship continues, five years after Chelsea is born, they have Meghan, who's Chelsea's little sister, and their home in Salem had all these poppies and pansies blooming, it was incredibly charming. It was one of the most charming on the block. Michelle was friends with everybody on the block. They described her as charming personable beautiful, and as far as what their lives look like Michelle was working at a jewelry store called Samuels jewelers. She worked there for eight years, and in nineteen ninety nine had just been promoted to manager and around this time, she also started developing her own line of jewelry. Charles had been a bus driver for the Salem area transit district from ninety one to ninety four. And then he started working at a cement truck as a cement truck driver for a look. Title cement company. I feel like he was a good dad to us for the most part from what I can remember, you know, it's funny like when you're young, you don't remember a lot of things that you remember specific incidences. And so, like I said, I remember him taking me and my sister out to dinner once a week. Can we would do that, just the three of us and one time he went and got me my favorite Hanson tape back when tapes for Zing, you know, I remember he liked my sister, a lot more than he likes to me and he wasn't always a nice to me, but he was always really nice to her. I was told it's because he looked at her. She looked like him. And I look like my mom like she had the dark hair, like he did darker is, and I have blonde hair like my mom, I was watching like home videos, you know, a couple years about that I hadn't seen he would always tell me, but no Chelsea, don't do that. And so loving to my sister. So I don't know. So, but shell toughed it out, though through the relationship because the kids love their dad, and also, she was afraid to leave. She was either used to or had simply decided to tolerate this relationship with Charles but that all changed in November of nineteen ninety nine when the police came knocking on the door looking for her husband and why they were looking for him. Was bonkers pretty crazy. And this is when shit starts skit really weird in the story. I am so Charles ended up popping up on police radar after they were receiving multiple reports from professional women all over the town of Salem. And according to the women, Charles was taking photos of their faces from their professional ads like all over the town and then superimposing their heads onto bodies of nude women. He then send these photos to those women with letters demanding money with threats of extortion, being crazy. And you have to think too, like this is nineteen ninety nine so they're the, you know, the way that it was being reported was that was like he was digitally manipulating or sending. Yeah, but yeah, he would take a picture of a realtor and attorney whatever. And then. It was one of the things that he asked as it started to escalate, though, and an organ, tell this story, but as he started escalate, he, he said that this these will go out and less. You see you put your name or your address, and your phone number in, like in like a classified ad. So it's so crazy because he's using digital stuff, but then he's using the newspaper and go. But what was he going to do with that? It's really not so crazy, and he would also threaten that the photos would fall into the wrong hands. If you know if they didn't like do the addresses here, probably thinking, like their bosses, or their dads or whatever. But also, I think it's like it's interesting to think about what so it's nine ninety nine right? Yes. So the time is different because I feel like nowadays, you can Photoshop anybody's head onto anything and it's like, yeah, this is in bullshit. But back in the day, I feel it goes probably way, more threatening because it they were harder to make it there were harder to make. And they weren't so prevalent like yeah. The people it was almost like they were harder to make. But they were also shittier too. I know I'm wondering how good this Photoshop job was to be honest. So it's probably people do you guys remember when we were in high school, and you went to theme parks, they would put your head in, like, yeah. Photoshop it. Yeah. So they were doing some stuff like that back then because this is like in the early two thousand I remember getting one of me as Luke, Skywalker you deal with. No, no with iota like behind me face was inside of loose. I can't believe they used to make like money doing that. Right. Make to Charlie's angels. Yeah, I love those as a kid so good. Honestly, I, we haven't even gotten into the store yet. But here's an example, that with your skills, you can take any path in life anytime life. He could have worked at one of those places. But instead, it's downhill we'll in one of these women in particular in this case said that after Charles center, the nude pictures, he called her multiple times made harassing phone calls in left messages, saying that he would make the photos public unless she either had sex with him or paid him twenty thousand dollars. And based on what he was saying it was also clear that he was following her. Like he he was referencing or schedule and all sorts of shit. I really didn't find about out about that kind of stuff for a long time. But when I was reading all the police report, you know, I read really in depth what he was doing. And I was just absolutely disgusted. And it's really hard to even imagine that someone I loved ever doing anything like that. I just feel really horrible for the women that he did do. I feel really horrible for my mom when she doubt, 'cause I cannot imagine how that fell, you know, shit signed out that he was doing this extortion scheme until he got arrested. It's crazy that someone can be, so abusive and controlling like he was to her. And then it takes something totally different. I heard actually be like, I can't deal with this anymore, we think but six Thorson scheme, but he had going on. You know, it wasn't even about the abuse. She them during she was just like I cannot deal with you anymore. And I think he had a lot of other hidden things that she found out about two. There was. A whole lot of Photoshop, you know back when. Computers. Weren't really that. Great. And knowing how you didn't really hear about people doing this kind of stuff. We talk about a lot of spooky and unnerving things you're on the first degree. But when it comes to being in the comfort of your own home, you want to feel safe and secure. 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Superimpose pictures of these professional women around town, but them the mon- bodies and trying to extort them, whatever is trying to do get their, their addresses their phone numbers. The police are made aware of the game. They go to Levin home. And this is when Michelle finds out what her abusive husband is doing in the free time when he's not abusing her and the police show her. The police reports they show her the extortion notes. But they also tell her other things I tell her that Charles Labban. That's not his real name. That's actually an alias. His name is Charles Earl friend, and he had a secret double life dating back to the nineteen eighty s so Charles, friend had felony convictions on his record. He had a criminal history in southern California for spousal abuse and willful child. Cruelty, Michelle also learns this day that Charles had taken his eighteen month son from a prior marriage and hidden him from the child's mom for more than a year and during their search of the home, they ended up finding guns. So they charged him with the legal possession of a firearm, because he was a felon, and they ended up seizing the gun, and he was arrested in indicted on these extortion charges. My mom way, do anything for the family, but when it can't is more. Oh, thank complete with disturbing. She was out. But I don't know when I was reading the police report, I. It's way more than you read in the newspaper. Like I don't think the news really got into that part of it probably for good reason because it is really disturbing. And he was, you know, calling on specifically, leaving her voicemails. From pay phones, and they found out about it because they followed him pay on. Pretty weird stuff and hard to even put put him in the category of dad hear that story. You know, I never saw that side of him where he was doing weird horrible things to other women extorting them for money, ten thousand dollars at a time. So I can't imagine the shock of hearing all this from the cops when you've been married to someone for eight years. And you think you know, somebody, you think they're bad enough. And, you know, you already like I is kind of a dick like, but, you know, but exactly. And she finds all of this out and. Michelle's learning the truth, finally, and it was a truth that really scared her. And these revelations were essentially the catalyst to the chain of events that eventually led Michelle to file for divorce and unsurprisingly. He was violent and uncooperative through the entire process, but she managed to get court approval to keep him away from her home, and from a work, which was she was a manager at a jewelry store at a local mall, so on may twenty four th despite threats that he would kill her if she left him after eight years of marriage. Michelle took the steps to remove herself and the kids from the relationship and the home. She moved out filed for divorce and got restraining order. Traumatic happening is crazy. What your mind decide that you're gonna remember forever? So. You know my birthday is may fourteenth. And so I remember like come how I remember we're not come eighth birthday. My dad was arrested at our front door, and we can you my sister understand, was going on. I don't remember my mom ever making us feel were eight or anything I remember going to get him some. Daniel McCain home. And then, you know, I look at the police record and then newspaper and I see that must've been just a couple of days later that my mom was like, okay, we're packing their stuff pack. Everything you need and relieving. And her friends were also, my dad was not there me and my sister were just, you know, getting toys, and clothes and off. We went we left pretty much everything except for a close important thing, I guess, the next thing is remember we were going to say, I had a friend that lives to down and her mom, and I'm pretty huge. We were the same and we went and stayed with her and her grandma on a different. I think three hours away and then the next thing you now we're staying one of my mom's co-workers cabin. I don't even know where that was. But. Never did my mom makes us feel like we were unsafe we need to worry about being, and now I'm thinking, you know, I know what happened and she's probably just scared out of her mind were hiding. So it's clear that she seems like she's doing all the right things. You know, it's she's doing everything that they tell you to do. Two days later, Charles retaliates on may twenty sixth. He files a petition for restraining order against her, and she says that she was pushing him shoving him. She had verbal threats and the judge from Aaron county. Dismisses it then over the next two days, he threatens to kill himself and to quote take her out with him. Five days or three days later. Actually, he takes the children and he leaves a note saying that. She would never see them again. If she called anyone. We went to go visit my dad Beck at our house. I don't really remember like how I was down. But I remember being chocolate ten we were leaving. And then my mom had called him on cell phone. And she was talking to on the front seat sitting in the back of the trust. And then he was like, do you want to talk to the? I don't remember this really well. And, and I was like, oh, yeah. Let me talk to mom, and I told her, oh, dad told us, we're gonna go to hotel because we've never stated a hotel before, and we're going to go swimming in a swimming pool. And she was like, oh, I mean, I don't remember exactly what you said. But she's like, oh, that's fun. Something, you know, like, and I'm so excited. And my dad didn't seem like anything was wrong. They've gone back. We spend tonight at the hotel, and then the next morning, we're getting into the truck and me and my sister are both in the truck, and he's like shutting the window, and all of a sudden I woke up and I see like five or six cops just surrounding the whole parking lot with their guns planet, right out. You know, they're like killing the ground, and he gets on the ground. And they all becoming arrested him. I mean my sister just the back of the truck like crying because we didn't know what was happening. We didn't anything was wrong. So I take him but the police officer had me in the front seat of the cop car, which was crazy, and she is in the backseat, and he took a there's a McDonald's drive through and got us breakfast. And we were so excited, but confused he had kidnapped us. That's what they're saying. And basically, that's what he did. He had supervised visitation and my mom was scared. So she left us with him. Just for the day, he said he was in tickets to the park for a couple of hours. She came back. I guess there was a note there that said, don't call the police, you'll never see the kids again. And then, you know some other threatening things she was scared. He was taken to the airport, because he had apparently kidnapped one of his kids previous me and my sister for a whole year and soc, my mom is scared that he was gonna do that. That is so confusing. I mean, imagine being eight year old and being pulled in to complete crazy directions. And you don't know what to think, or how to react to things you don't even know being arrested is like right in the fact that like she's like Chelsea said, in the beginning, it's like she loved her dad. They went to weekly dinners, and like he was. Yeah. And Bravo to that cop for taking them to McDonald's. All does. You know, nothing kid happier than going on. Or Billy John says, is an unpaid advertisement. Honestly mcdonald's. It'd be a great sponsor nudge, nudge, wink, wink, wink. Okay. So on may thirtieth. Charles was arrested. And he spent June first in jail on June third, he was served with another restraining order and four days later. He tried to call Michelle at work who was arrested again for violating his restraining order, and one of his co workers paid Charles is five hundred dollars bail, but he was now facing a six month jail term for contempt. And he was scheduled to return to court on June tenth, but unsurprisingly he didn't show up and a warrant was issued for us arrest. You know, she was scared to death of him. But yeah, so she went back to work on the sevens from sister was with my mom. And they were in the parking garage, because she had a parking spot. She worked at the mall. She was a manager of a jewelry store, and he had shown up and followed them in his car. And so, I just they just ran to parking garage, and he'd been calling her work threatening her in the next day, he called her work saying that he was sitting next to her car. And, you know, if he didn't get to see his kids that he was going to kill her kill me, and my sister, and he was threatened to people. She worked with was all just, I think pretty chaotic. And then it's kind of a blur, guess what happened right after that. I remember when I think that we are kind of in hiding for like two and a half weeks. And we just go to school or anything, and she didn't go to work. And I think we're seeing the grandparents house, he had to go back to work, and I do, remember being my grandparents house, and having a good time because we didn't see them a lot. But. We're told if you see your data neighborhood while you're out playing come home immediately run. So to recap, we're at the morning of June tenth nineteen ninety nine and this was actually supposed to be a great day for Michelle one that would finally help her breathe a sigh of relief because her husband, Charles was slated to go to jail for violating his restraining order for stocking Michelle and also for these things related to this audit store Shen. So Michelle had not been living at the family home as Chelsea stated they'd been hopping around in sort of hiding with friends and family. So Charles didn't know where she and the kids were living, and she was trying to keep them in hiding for this very reason. He was looking for them. So she was also afraid that if she gave him additional visitation, and things like that, that he would take them in leave town because he's a track record of doing this Andy's done at once before. She went to work on June ten. And she dropped me off at school. And she drove my sister off at daycare, went to where. And then he found her and of corking garage and shot her in her car. So. I, I mean I remember. After that I was at school. And the principal came Tennessee, do you want to come to my office when I talk to you? We're gonna do something, and I loved school. Tell us I I don't even miss class come at recess time lunch time. She's like okay, and so I did. And it was probably like an hour. Wait. You know. And I imagine they're a and how. The principal felt sitting her office waiting for me to come. But I went down there, and there was the principal and a police officer. What's happening? Police officers like we have to go, and I was like, okay. The police officer in this weird. Dan didn't know we were going she's. Your sister. It's going to be playing so we go pick up my sister. And I remember the two way we've got to star, we put her in the van, but there was no heat. So we put her on the floor covered with a blanket. Now, I know it was like a police van, you know, for protective custody, and so they took a string of the police station, and then my grandparents were there, and I was like, what is happening, and I remember just looking at my grandparents have never seen my grandpa cry except for this. Point. I'm they're both just crying and we're like what's happening. And then, like, I don't remember how they told us that pretty much like your mom is dead. Thirty two year old Michelle Laven. She was found Thursday morning in the driver's seat of her read nineteen ninety nine Mitsubishi eclipse. And a parking enforcement officer call the police around ten twenty am after finding broken glass on the top level of the parking structure. Now, she was in the in this parking area next to the mall where this jewelry store where she worked was located and the tape from the parking structure surveillance cameras showed Michelle arriving at her car. And this is. It's, it's so crazy because you, you can feel this, you can feel this as a horror movie, but it's real. So they show her arriving at her car, then she realizes that Charles had followed her in it was approaching her, and it looks like that she's trying to start this car like frantically, start the car, and while she's trying to start the car and go away, he walks up and he shoots her point blank through the car window with shotgun. And then he leaves and she had a shotgun wound to the back of the head and to, to the upper body. What are the detectives at the scene said it happened in the morning in a busy downtown area. And he didn't understand how nobody heard it and her death was actually salems first homicide in the year of nineteen ninety nine. 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Police scoured the three or four floor garage for evidence looking under every car there, jotting, down license plate numbers, and sifting through garbage cans. They flooded the crowded mall with police officers and surrounding streets, but they could not find him anywhere. So they obviously rushed to the daycare center, where their children were his children were, and both of them were taken into protective custody, which Chelsea was talking about before. And after hearing the news of what had happened Michelle's parents rushed to her workplace to try to get information about what had happened. I can't even imagine. How confused everybody is at this point. Oh, it's so crazy, like so horrible. Right. Nobody knows what's going on now. So, you know, while everybody's trying to get information and figure out what the hell's happening. A phone at Samuel's jeweler starts ringing and that's where Michelle worked, and it was Charles, that was on the line. He called the store from a cell phone and started making threats towards Michelle's parents. And he was threatening to come back to the mall and kill them as well. So the mall was on lockdown, and they ushered Michelle's parents to safety in this is after he just killed Michelle. And then he's calling the mall bold written to the parents. I mean. It is it is crazy. So during the search for Charles, I mean, an obvious place to look would be the Laven home. And when the police went there, this is what Michelle's neighbors learned of her death in many of them got really upset started crying. But what was interesting is that some of them are afraid to provide information to the police because they too had heard many, many arguments coming from next door and heard in noticed his temper in that he was dangerous. So many of them didn't wanna talk to the police because they were afraid of Charles, they didn't know where he was, then the rightfully so rightfully so fine. So the police knowing that Charles was armed and dangerous. They called it a swat team to descend upon the home, and they used tear gas to try to. You know smoke Charles out of the house, should he be inside. I really. Don't remember when they told me doubted children mom, the police station for quite a while. And then they took this, too. Like sure house, 'cause couldn't find my dad. Never scare the he was still out and about, and he was looking for me and my sister 'cause that's what he had been threatening. So we stayed at this house only been one night, because my dad the next morning. And he committed suicide in a parking lot of a car dealership about thirty miles away. I remember wake watching the news and seeing them, take my dad thought out of the car after who tells us off and I think that's you know, when I realized like, oh, he's really dead. And then I went to my mom's funeral house, I go, she's really not coming back either. So twenty four hours later, they find Charles sitting in a Chevy Lumina rental car, and he is dead with a self inflicted gunshot wound to the head and lying next to him was the shotgun employees of the dealership that said that they saw the car park in the lot, the previous evening, but they didn't really think anything of it, and other employers discovered the car at nine am the next morning as they were opening up for business. And this discovery of Charles, effectively closed this case, we saw what a time scared and he was coming to get. And so I, I actually spent a lot of time after his death, because he never saw him they waited him, so I never actually saw him like. Good. A lot of time just scared that he was gonna come which ridiculous, but, you know, we just me and my sister had that fear even he wasn't alive anymore. So I think what she said was super interesting about the fact that because she didn't see her dad's body. She didn't believe like people are can be very visual. Well, especially at eight years old. It's like you don't fully understand most eight year olds. I'm assuming don't fully understand the concept of death and murder. No, not saying it's like they're getting these kids were getting thrown around a million different ways like going between the two parents, getting kidnapped by their dad thinking, he was a good guy and then like it's overload. It is it's overwhelming. And it's probably so confusing to actually understand what was happening the idea that your, your mom and your dad Ribaud th gone. Yeah, I don't I don't know how to reconcile that. No. And yeah. And then the fact that it's not like they both died. In a plane crash or a tragic accident or anything like that. It was because your dad killed your mum. Yeah. I mean yeah. You can't understand that as a little kid like that. No. I mean, it's, it's very difficult in this. This is why I think I was when I said it was one of kind of the most important, I agree stories we've had it's, it's very complicated to have a relationship with victim, and perpetrator. It sets the closest relations right conflicting. It's all sorts of things, but, you know, Chelsea so levelheaded about it and candid about how she's feels and I just think it's amazing. Yeah. So of course, you know, her mom her mom's been murdered. Her dad has killed himself, and now they're left without parents. We basically just moved straight in with my grandparents, and my youngest uncle had just graduated college, and literally just moved out a month prior. So, my grandparents never had like the feeling you know, they always had kids there. And then they had taken me and my sister in, I just think that they're absolutely the strongest people I've ever met. Grandparents. But I did think like that is such I can't even imagine being that situation and then having to take in, which kids really don't understand what's going on. And you know, it's your daughter's children and then having to raise them while going through discreet of your daughter being murdered. By the man that said she was her forever. When I was going to, you know all the police reports actually found my dad's suicide note. And part of the west read it has been absolutely devastating to my grandparents, because he spent the whole letter blaming them for this. He blames them for not letting him see his children. And then he said he was going to take my mom's life with his because he didn't feel like he needed to live any longer me and my sister can part of his life, and it was to sickness and help. And, and the and you just said he was always going to watching, and I just feel like that had to have taken L the huge toll on my grandparents. So I just feel like the fact of even what me and my sister to take care of those huge. And I still talk to them every other day. Twenty years later. So. Michelle did everything. Right. She leaves her husband and you, you often see in these stories if a woman gets killed by her boyfriend or her husband, why didn't she leave? She did it. She left. Why didn't she get a restraining order? She did it. She gets a restraining order to keep him away from her and their two children. Why didn't she move? She doesn't stay in one place, and she reports her husband whenever she caught him. Breaking the order. But every time he's jailed he's quickly released. So she's doing everything that they tell you to do, but the bottom line is these, you know, and I think the I was the judge or something like that said said, it's just a piece of paper at the end of the day, they only give protection of the individual being restrained, too. If they decide to obey the law, if somebody doesn't want to obey the law. Yeah, it doesn't make. That's like one of the craziest things that I had learned over the years, because like when you're younger like only a restraining order. It's like this wall that's around you. It's like a restraining order doesn't mean shit just gets them in more trouble. But if they don't give a shit about it or willing to kill it. You, they're going to kill you and nothing the restraining order it literally as a piece of paper, it's not gonna do shit if, if somebody wants to kill you during Cain, they're gonna kill you. And that's the that's the freedom of our society unless they have been put in unless they have been incarcerated, right? And the signs were all here and everything we saying was all here, but there just wasn't enough to put him in jail for a certain amount of time I have a question. Why didn't he go to jail for kidnapping his kids? He was supposed to go to jail the day, he held her. Yes. So he was he didn't show up first quarter. So he went to jail for violating the the order. Yeah. Then he violated the terms of his conditional like he was out on bond. Yeah. So then. His friend gave him the bail money writer like a co worker, nobody is crazy, 'cause it's like Muslim. Billy five hundred bucks because his ninety nine oh. I feel like you should like not. No. That wasn't that was for violating the. Oh, the yeah. I'm starting order. Yeah. I don't I don't know what I mean. I think he was just under privileged white dude, probably. They're like, oh, whatever you keep violating your shit five hundred dollars. There wasn't even bridge, ROY Tutu was privileged male. You know what I mean is like they did not, but the kidnapping, but the extortion, but they did not. Prosecutors ties obviously being violent in all the felon is he hasn't Cal? He was facing charges in California under his old name. They did not prosecute sexual assault. The way that they do now. Right. I mean, if you sexually assaulted somebody, you could be out on bail for two thousand dollars back in one thousand nine hundred eighty five list the way that they did that. So, but she did so many of the things that they tell you to do. She did everything. Right. And it's like that's what's it's like a. Well, there was an interesting debate, Oregon when I was doing some of this research, I found all these articles that were saying they were proposing a Bill at the time to give women who had to take off work unemployment benefits if they're being stocked if there were hiding from an abuser. Okay. Because how he found her. No. Exactly. And he's like, well, she's got a go back to work. So factor. Here's the thing, too, where it's like, you know, if you see somebody like his outsider in this situation, it's like yeah. Go go. Stay somewhere else go don't go to work. It's not everybody has privileges. She up and leave. Yeah. You can't take your kids out of school. You need to keep making money. You're and she'd been promoted to manager at the jewellery store within within the year. You've worked there for eight years, just gonna Champlain valley. Finally, you know, she was designing her own line to. It's just yeah. So that kind of laws interesting, but I imagine just the fraud, you know, because like they were proposing that a woman being stocked running from abuser can go on unemployment, but couldn't you just say like being stalked? Yeah. Bet you they would read about. But if you have a restraining order. Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah. Good point. If you have a restraining order in new showing it and you're showing that you're doing all the right things. It's a great. I think it's really good law too. Because that's harder, manage it that we spend on stupid shit. Yeah, that's it law. Now it's great. It's just an organ that they were maybe doing that. Well, this was it was just a debate. It was a string of articles that followed this murder. Oh, interesting. Yeah. So they use hers, it example of how it could have saved her life if she could collect benefits she felt forced to go to work. She was a single mom if she had benefits, she could have hung out until the husband got under control. I don't know what I don't know. But it seems like this guy was not going like, how do you stop one of these guys? They won't stop them until they commit a crime and know that has to be the most terrifying thing to have to live through. I only got that's like you're always being watched also in part of your brain. Even if your scared part of your brain who, that's naive to the fact that someone would kill you because who likes you would never think someone who would have married, you would kill you in that thing with women, where it's like I feel like I would make that same mistake where I'd be like this guy totally loves me. There's no way he would ever do anything terrible to me. First of all, all of you have like every man, ever sorry, really not. You. Whatever. But anyway, they do shit. He thinks, but the fact you never think always even better for the doubt. And you never think they'd kill you ever write me, don't really know somebody ever ever Sep. You Jack, you know, me, I know you. Billy, is it real? He's from the underworld. So I will say that I would never do anything to either view. Oh, it's because we're not dating. Are you gonna help me change my tyrel? We really not dating dating after this. Where is it where yes? I mean knowing that, that, that I have these two beers here, and I can't open them, 'cause my boyfriend Charrette isn't here. We can all be collective relationship or living overdoing, the come. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Plus Jared like no van no serial having a van no serial creepy. White van no not have white very wizard on the side of it. That is cool, not a white van an alum side. Could see my IRA? 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She was so young and I know she can't really remember very much and so and she was my God's favorite, you know, she loved him. I have my whole life basically, I've hid this fact. But I mean it's like on the news you can look it up and find it. I just don't openly tell people about it, because I am kind of afraid of them feeling bad for me or like what's going to save Honey back, which seems ridiculous. I feel like they such a stigma almost on domestic violence, and like who had happen to and I feel like because I've heard all these. Stigmatizing things like I don't want my mom to be put in category. Like I didn't really know my dad that. Well, there's really that much information on him because he had fifteen different names and warrants out for is the rest everywhere. No one really knows about. But I know that my mom was just an incredible person that so many people love and, you know. She worked so hard, she wants to leader in college people just left in the door at her. And she hit us from everybody because probably she was scared to death of my dad says every time I tell someone I always get that, like, oh, my gosh. I never wanted expected out from you. Like I never would have imagined that happened to you. And I'm like, what does that even in? They can literally happen to anybody, and it was my parents, but, you know it can be anybody. So just on the heels of what Chelsea said about how it can happen to anybody. I mean, we haven't really share that much about Michelle, but she was a junior and senior prom court, Princess played on the basketball team track team and cheerleading team in high school and college. And she went to Linfield college where she received a degree in marketing, and she had a job she loved, she had passion. She had loving parents siblings and two daughters. She loved, and I totally understand what she's saying there with. Stigmatizing to have domestic violence, but it happens in all walks of life, this woman, he was also older. Is it something we don't have in here? But Charles was I think twelve years older. So I notice like when you're younger than a guy to meet them and things are older and put them on a pedestal just in just slip into a normal that you don't realize is abusive. Right. You know it's so it's so common. So what happened basically was I pretty much just ignored it that and then in college, I got married to this guy by ended up. Being with this guy for nine years, and it ended up being an abusive marriage throughout college. The whole thing my parents kind of started to get to me, and I just wanted to know more. I just couldn't understand how my dad could do something like that. You know, I really didn't know the whole story, my now ex husband wasn't being met grace convenient. I just kinda got really depressed? So I ended up being volunteer for cargo which is the center against from domestic violence in Corvallis, Oregon, which is actually the shelter that mean my mom stayed out when I was a baby, because she had left my dad at one point, so to this whole train to the advocate for domestic violence and the help, you know victims and then I had to move 'cause my husband's in the military. So I didn't really get too much. But I think that really sparked my interest and I really wanted to help people in the same situation on my mom. I was in. Cool that it was so close to home that might stay there, too. But then my husband, you know, became abusive, and I think I was just I felt like a hypocrite, and I was always seemed of what was happening. So I just completely shut down. Again. I didn't tell anybody about it. Just text going through for a few years, I just progressively got worse. Abusive marriage just didn't ever when my parents who they felt like a hypocrite, and I just felt like I was letting myself in the situation. How can I help anybody else? And how. Is that a good thing like mom died at the hands of my dad? And I'm just letting this relationship going so you know I thought they were known by. What? Think of this, you know, like, it's her really gonna go mainly ever. It's been twenty years, and I really have done anything. I haven't ever told the story publicly I've only told it to close people close friends of mine. My family knows. But I ended up getting all of the police reports, and all of the information I could read all of it, and two days, and oh, lot of information and just completely broke down. And I was like, this isn't fair like I can't do this anymore for myself, and I can't do this to my family, my mom that's just ridiculous. You know, like how can I have a husband that's threatening my life when my dad kills my mom so ended up leaving him it's been a year and a half. And now I just really understand the whole situation. I think. And I think it's crazy. And I don't want my mom's life and death to be meaningless. If my parents have been in that same situation, I probably would've, let my relationship go on even longer until I really thought down, and I was like, what would the mom think about this? What would she say sometimes story? And I hope it helps someone after having my parents after the situation that I was in like maybe even just hung. The story here, you know, we'll help people. I think Chelsea saw amazing. I the bravery that, that takes to tell the story for the first time like, like she said, she hasn't told anybody about other than like her close friends in our family. So I mean, we thank her for letting our platform, be the one that she's telling it on because hopefully like she said it can help at least one person. Absolutely. That's what I told her. I said, you know, we're totally honored that you would even. Talking about this is hard enough. Any means so it's just we're so I don't know. I'm so like an off her and a lot of ways. Yeah. Thank you. Chelsea. You're the best. Thank you chill ever. So it's just another reminder, I mean, we've had a lot of domestic violence cases on here. None quite like this one and as impactful, but there's a lot of like reform to be made and I don't know what the solution is. And I know it's a hard one. Exactly. Because she like we were saying she did all the right things. She still ended up with her life being taken. Yeah. And like. What do you do? Yeah. There was, obviously a trail of this guy. I mean, the one thing that, that could have been done is that there is a trail of this guy in those a trail of violence with this guy. He should have had a bigger sentence with some of the things that he had done. Yeah. That's inside. Shifty though. Chelsea. And I went back and forth for a while. I was helping her find his old identities with all the identities found we found three and one Charles friend. But we weren't sure it's, it's interesting because it seems like he assumed Charles Levin, and then someone started using his because it had recent because he's deceased, but it had recent in. It is him. It's all the correct people earth. This person has recent texting and driving charter ill. So we were like let's look into this, like somebody somebody he was using other people's. But then somebody's using maybes ING his full, right? We're trying to get to the bottom of it. So chelsea. We'll have to. We'll we'll continue on. But we generated all these reports, and it was really interesting. And I was really happy to help Alex's loves uncovering some info, all the info. And how did Chelsea reach out to us? Either Instagram, Instagram. I'm pretty sure again, Alexis like a madman every five minutes sharia. She won't let one message go through one. So if you guys are connected to a murder, or other stranger than fiction story, we would like to tell your story again. Like I mean, we're so honored that Chelsea reached out ties and no story is too small. This is an incredible story and story of triumph. Yeah. Yes. And a story of bravery and somebody that was doing the right thing and even the right thing is not enough. It's, it's the story of warning in a sense where you can do everything they tell you to do in all the books, but it's still not enough. Right. Which is scary. But the at the more that we talk about it the more that hopefully it'll bring in, we have to have that conversation, right? All right. 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Mason and Ireland [hr 1]

Mason & Ireland

29:33 min | 2 years ago

Mason and Ireland [hr 1]

"We'll live. Gras. Headphones. You need phones. Don't play nothing. It just means. Great can't talk to me. That's all do do it. All right. So today is a very special episode of Mason in Ireland. Oh, she Jackson junior. Freddie, fringe junior and Steve much shot. Skeet a third. Did you hear that the third? Juniors. Get these people headphones. Yeah. It's the junior show. Yeah. It's the highest show on radio. So I've seen guys in a long time share. What's new any new movies? Where do you got going on got some auditions coming up that? Of course, I can't tell you about right now. You got going on Lakers actually called me to do the pre-game show. What they want me to go down there to the whole little spectrum place and do that. Oh, well, that's good. At the commercial break coffee takes all that stuff into. And and Freddie, you what's what's new in their world. Freddie, sold a shoe that I can't say yet. What is this secret day? Well, you've got season. Guys secret shows, and I'm getting really close to sewn. Another one told you know, I knew about that. Yeah. That's a good one. That's the weirdest show. It is Halloween was amazing addressed like the joker. It was way. Legit wasn't on Instagram. Go check it with full on. My daughter was Harley Quinn. Nice. Charlotte's. She was Charlie Quin kicked ass. All nice. My son was Bain, but not the one. That was that was not work James Hardie original one from the animated series with the Lucho or mask. Okay. Son six he had a huge muscles should understand what he said. He never understand what you know. The real one had like a smooth Spanish ex. I should've gone with that in the yard. Oh, my. These I would crush. Yeah. And for how Holloway? Oh, no, no, no. I was hugged up with my PlayStation, the entire is that right? Does that good? Do you get trick or treaters where you live own? Oh, oh, no, no. I don't get any trick or treaters. He wouldn't answer the door anyway door. I wouldn't answer the gate. Knows what you'd be handed out. Of course. Apples apples. Yes. Apples. So guys. There's a lot going on. We're waiting on Kershaw who we may find out by one o'clock exactly what he's going to do if he's going to take the option or use this opportunity to opt out or if the ops out in the dodgers make a deal with them where they extend him somewhat. He was wildly disappointing in the postseason this year. He they play. That's keeping a real. I agree with that. How do you not agree with here? They go was terrible. Really in the world and the World Series. I'm talking about the whole postseason the one who says the whole postseason is a crap shoot one. It is. Well names crap in the World Series. Yeah. You say you didn't like the way perform them. But he's one of the reasons we got to the World Series and a lot of guys were crap in the World Series. Yeah. They know the especially. And then the batch ice cold Jimmy ran into a Boston Red Sox team that has players that would stack up against their three champion. Yeah. No wins. Everyone's mad at the dodgers. We just went to the World Series two years in a row like. Yeah. I just wouldn't have pulled retain. Pulled Richaud out. What's interesting for BUSTER only was on with this yesterday. And he says that when a pitcher tells a manager during a game keep an eye on me. It means he's wearing down. And that he basically gave Dave Roberts that q otherwise Roberts might not pull them. So there was some weird combination of him asking out. I don't know if he did ask out Roberts pulling him. I think he might have pulled him because we're was asking out. So this is the World Series, you sound smarter. When you defend the dodgers than when you dump on him row. Yes. That's going gonna be dumping today. You sound intellectual when you dump on you get way emotional, and I don't believe it. And when you like defend them, it's very logical and precise. And that there was nothing logic. No the way you just explained that was very like called Chris. And I was like, oh, yeah. He knows what he's talking about. Like, not not shoulda heard me give the same. Explanation on Saturday night. Actually happened. So the one has to hear that. I don't have no one hurt a lot of that is a good patient, man. So a bunch of stuff first of all Lakers fifth row Friday that means that coming up at two thirty. There will be a quiz about everything we said on the show this week one question from each day if you can answer all five you win fifth row seats, I'm in Lakers. Blazers an autograph basketball chairman's club passes, which I'm sure you guys have been to the chairman's club. I've been chairman. That's that's where the star hang out plus a super cuts gift card, and again, we'll do that at two thirty fifth row Fridays. Brought to you by super cuts stylus to pay attention to every detail. And we'll get you game ready. Visit super dot com. Hey, can I compete on that police? Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Do you think you could get it? Yeah. You've been listening all five days this week crazy unemployed. I know she listens to every second of every show. Everyone's with me. He goes back to sleep. The only time I don't listen is the Stephen A block because I don't like it and yelled at ten I love that. It's not good to be rated. No, I didn't do anything and king of be rated. Oh, apparently. Yeah. This is Magic Johnson o- on Tuesday night when the Lakers returned from an Owen to road trip. I want to say be rated admonish that was the story for the slow start is this being reported because they saw it or they heard this happen. Well, this is this is this is I don't believe it. I don't believe it. Oh, it's you don't believe. That's oh, no questions will either misinformed. I just think he's wrong. Listen magic even said on this radio station. Keyshawn Johnson were back not. Meaning we're winning the championship this year. We're back and the next year. We're back back back. No us three Bax. Magic johnson. I guess she do that's when he's talking about competing. So by his own words, there isn't a pressure on Luke, Brandon. Ingram's been suspended and been average best Rondo was suspended for half that time period. They beaten the teams that I think we're supposed to beat. And we're. Those games. And we're losing that. You'd think we'd lose to. When was the last time the Lakers beat Portland? What year are you gotta go. At the last time, we beat Portland, right? So I don't know why. With all we nobody debates that we all agree on those facts. Why would you admonish your head coach let me just slow? Let me just and we're going to talk to Ireland and minute. He's getting ready to board the plane with the Lakers to go to Portland where they play again tomorrow night win. And we'll talk to Momo at one o'clock. This is most first appearance. Oh, it's mama. Mama. Mama. Momo will join us at one o'clock. I saw the interview Mason junior. We interview the flu baby Mace is as noxious Irish prolifically noxious. Oh is that? Let me just read the story before we before we get to it in a meeting on Tuesday following a winless two game road trip. And again, this is wochit Dave mcmanamon, and let me tell you a green credit world is closer to LeBron James than Dave McMenemy. You're not wrong. He's was with them in Cleveland with them here. Magic Johnson admonished coach Luke Walton for the team sluggish start to the season league. Sources tell ESPN Johnson's cutting appraisal elevated and already acute awareness within the Lakers coaching staff that there is intense immediate pressure on Wolton to deliver the franchise of winner in short order despite Johnson's prior proclamations of needing to allow time for Walton to develop a young roster surrounding four-time MVP. Lebron James evidence is mounting that Walton's job security. Ultimately depends upon his ability to significantly approve improve on. Three and five record to start the season Johnson's aggressive meeting tone circulated to individuals throughout the organization, including two principal owner Jeanie Buss throughout his tenure with the Lakers Johnson has earned an internal reputa- reputation for an oftentimes volatile management style, including with his handling of Walton and the coaching staff. That was aggressive this sound so hard core. Those does right. So if this is true, and let me just say defend ESPN's reportage. Is that a word? I don't think you need is now like I'm attacking him. I think he's I think he got bad information. Like, this sounds so blown out. It's ten games in. And if this is true, and I don't like seeing this the Magic Johnson's acting for dick euless on like that. And I don't want to say that nobody wants to say look about the reality of the situation. The Lakers are in right now. Here's the thing. Magic does. I mean, they reference his internal reputation for an oftentimes volatile management style. If this went down, I think it is unreasonable. Yes. To make this term Anchalee unreasonable after a three and five. Start. What do you think shea definitely especially with the suspensions that came down on Rondo and Brandon Ingram? We don't have another big. We Luke Luke Walton can't grab those rebounds. Magic, you know, if if this report is true, then agree with you as reasonable. We we need more time for this chemistry to to blend together. And we need these these roster spots in this rotation. It'd be a little bit more secured. We don't even have a locked in starting five he's gone through. How many different starting lineups? That's the problem pulled that note. Interestingly also note threes. I'm really not really Lakers. Utilize ninety three different lineups ninety three different lineups in eight games. That's like a lineup every two minutes. Okay. Well, let's flip that then candy. Could that be the issue that Magic's having is a lack of direction in? Why don't you have a star? Even that sounds crazy to finish that we all know what this year was supposed to be the chemistry year. Lebron goes do that. He went through this win Miami. He went to his coming back with Cleveland. Like, it's this is how it goes. Okay. So the meeting was Tuesday the Lakers on Wednesday had a locked in starting lineup against Dallas. Lebron Ingram Lonzo Kouzmin McGee. Maybe that's the point of the meeting. Maybe magic was saying look, you gotta find something. And you've gotta stick with an and by the way that lineup is the reason they beat Dallas everybody in that lineup was a plus in the plus mine. Everybody who wasn't in that line a minus in the plus minus. So maybe that was Magic Johnson's point. Which is you got to find a lineup and you got to stick with us stick with him. We can hope we can hope we can hope that that's station was minus tricky because it depends on your playing with on a idiot. And you're relying on for the people to get your own if I'm playing with LeBron James, I'm a plus and can't ball. All right. Coming up next. We'll go live to John Ireland get his reaction to this story. Thank goodness. It's the junior show. Oh, she Jackson junior. Freddie, prints junior and Steve much shot ski the third. Mason Ireland ESPN LA villain. But today it is OJ Jackson junior. Freddie, Prinz junior and me and joining us right now is John Ireland who is getting ready to board the plane to Portland for the Lakers blazers tomorrow night in in Portland, and John you heard the the breaking story that according to wo according today mcmanamon Magic Johnson admonished Luke Walton on Tuesday night for the slow start. What what are you hearing? Well, first of all, you don't have a really good guests to have on this show. You know, why? Why? Oh, yeah. I do know junior judo is lit. Legitim- junior meet juniors and Mason, even bigger than he's a third junior junior. He steers the ship junior. And a high pretty high. Ping, Shan, particularly interested in in. What you pick this? All right surprise me. That people are surprised what at its core. The story is that Magic Johnson admonish, Luke Walton and the coaching staff anybody who spent any time around Magic Johnson knows Vicky hate losing. He has no patients for losing. And I'm not sure what people think magic job is. Magic job is to get the Lakers winning. They're losing. Of course, he's going to admonish people one thing that the lake Reuters ations really good at is. They hire people that you assert job. And then they get the hell out of the way. Admonish Luke nobody else is going to minus loop. This is what you want. If you're a Laker fan if the Lakers lose in Minnesota to to a wall steam that is feuding without injury weekends, somebody should that admonished. So. So I'll put it to you guys. What is the prising about? This story will John all fairness the timber wolves. Without Andrew Wiggins are far better team than they are with him. But. It's it's difficult is difficult for fans to process because we saw the suspension happened with Brandon Ingram and a lot of people. Consider Brandon Ingram the second best player on the team. So when you take him away for so many games. Plus, this whole thing is opposed to be a chemistry year. Lebron's had slow starts in Miami. Lebron had a slow start going back to Cleveland. So, you know, everybody knows the famous Magic Johnson story about how he kind of handled his head coach when he got here. Right. But I feel that we are being a little bit more patient because we had to go through the gym years. And this is you know, this is a positive in our light. We just don't think that that level of Gretchen is really Luke's responsibility. At this time to take on that. I'll give them at least windy, if it's not if it's not for the who is it who what you guys think magic. You just sit there and say, oh, well, we're we're we're two and five. I'm not gonna do anything. I think Michael Beasley should get some more rebound. But what happened to just preaching patients? Magic Johnson was preaching patients as recently as the start of the season, right? And now and now he's admonishing, Luke. By way, that word admonish. I wanna find some synonyms for admonish, John. John mates. I can't we can we safely film that admonish me yell that. And if there's no story, I was covering UCLA basketball one year. And I heard it somebody kicked me that. There was a problem with Steve Lavin and one of the players. So I went to lavon, and I said, hey, I got a tip that there's a problem with you. And I can't remember who the player wise. Matt barnes. I I don't know. I don't think it was Matt. But I'll say. Yeah. Is there problem between you and Matt Barnes and Laven said, no, I just throw them out of practice, and I go well that sounds like a big deal. You throw them out of practice. He said jut, I tell people out of practice all the time. If and I guess I would apply that story this case here, if your if your concern is that magic yelled at Luke good. I'm glad somebody yelled at him. I mean. The suggestion is not that. He he's like, I even went on the air and said Luke won't make it through the season unless he starts winning more, John. That's the exact that's the exact point. I wanna hit on. And you nailed it because your perspective on this is dead on what I think people's reaction is is we live in a media now where you have to have news stop. So the moment everyone, here's Luke's being admonished. The next step is when is he getting fired. And that's the reaction that I think people are starting to freak out about like wool. I thought we were having patients now he's getting fired who's going to replace him who's out. Well. Everyone's jumping in Vegas had him any. It's it's a bad bet because tied Lou got I but Vegas had him as most likely to be fired. I as a head coach in the NBA the show. He's got the toughest job in the NBA. I think right now, John do you agree? Probably and you'll coaching Brian is is no picnic as we've known. But but I mean think about this when Miami started nine eight when LeBron got there and keep in line on that team. He had Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh at the time to other pin NBA players. So there were three this would be the warriors starting nine eight back then everybody used to say stuff about air pulsa. And I remember pollster going on TV and say and everything Eric you're going to get fired. And with sponsor said was look the only care about is at mic guys. Don't let go of the rope. And I thought. That was a really good line. I the only thing cares about is that they stay focused. I, Freddie, and I don't know. But I still think they're going to be ten in ten at the end of twenty games. And I'm saying that with the possibility they lose both games this weekend because we never went in Portland and Toronto's really good. But I think if you look at the schedule and Maitha leave the to bring up the schedule here when you look at the schedule after that after these two games back to back this weekend. There's some really winnable games. And I think they're going to be ten and ten which is what LeBron always is when he goes to two and five is the worst start. He's had. Ever going back to season. Right. But if it turns out that there if they were nineteen and twenty that when he went back to Cleveland in the first year now, it sounds like if if we're nineteen and twenty everybody's going to go into a panic. But that gene that nineteen and twenty team went to the finals. Now, he's gonna tougher conference Western Conference, and I don't think most of us have any allusions at this particular year is a final year for the Lakers. But if you're reacting to Freddie, I heard what you said off the top of the show, and I'm kinda with you. If you're reacting to this story, if you're adding up magic yellow or in the words that were mcmanamon used admonish, Luke, and you're connecting that to God Luke's about to get fired. You're making eight jump that votes. Didn't make that mcmenamin didn't make and frankly, isn't there? I don't care that magic yelled at Luke. I'm cloudy yelled out of I want somebody minding the store, don't you? But why yell at Luke when you know, it was going to be hard all along because you wanna keep everybody's feet to the fire. You don't want it to be acceptable. That's very Brian exactly how it was going to say conflict is good. May. I guess I would answer your question with a question. Why why not get on him? Why not admonish Luke might not say? Hey, man. It's not. Okay. You lost Minnesota that Andrew Wiggins. What do you do into fixing magic has no patience? Let me throw something else from the article because I find this part also interesting, okay. Johnson's aggressive meeting tone circulated individuals throughout the organization clothing, Jeanie Buss throughout his tenure with the Lakers Johnson has earned an internal reputation for an oftentimes volatile management style, including with his handling of Walton and the coaching staff react to them. I am surprised again that you Steve are surprised by volatile. Wait, a minute of volatile management style is not a good thing. But it's, but it's magic thing. I mean magic do you think he's volatile when they're winning? He's not I haven't seen it yet. That's. When he played. I mean, this was this was Coby was probably magic times five when coke when the Lakers losing when Kobe was on our team he wouldn't talk anybody for two weeks including his own teammates. So what point are they at the end of the rope with Luke what's the record? Actually. Let's let's do the schedule game. Okay. Okay. So I'm assuming that Portland home to Toronto those are two losses. Okay. So that would make three and seven home to Minnesota women. At Sacramento on a six game winning streak much better much better than into it. They win that game. Sacramento, doesn't scare me home. Do Atlanta win win win win home to Portland win. We're just never going to be Portland. I don't think so we'd never going to beat them lose. If they lose tonight, it ties an NBA are tore night ties an NBA record for one team over another seventeen straight win blazers Lakers may have to Portland at some point. So I'll say it will be that game see tomorrow night. It'll be that game. Because you can't. I mean, they're not gonna win twenty five. In roads, never has your calling on a win. Yeah. I'm calling one of these games a win. Yeah. Six eight black after red came up twenty times. Did you like black is due to drive? So that's six eight then at Orlando three game road trip, but all against bad teams. At Orlando at Miami at Cleveland, Cleveland just horrific. Yeah. They'll win to win to those three. So that would put him at eight nine eight nine. Yeah. He's fine. Okay. What what what if they are six, and I did not do my math right now. Eight six and white night at the seventeen six hundred. Twelve. I wouldn't wanna find out. I think there'd be something stronger than it. Doesn't everybody knows that that Luke is eventually going to be judged on wins and losses. Absolutely. It's a question of win. This is the Lakers between there's a big difference between nine and nine and six eighteen you know, it just it's especially with that schedule. But I would be here's one thing. That would surprise me. I would be very surprised if they made a change during the season before Christmas. Oh christmas. So you're saying it's possible. Well, I think if he'd appears that they're not gonna make the playoffs that would be bad. But I still think they're gonna make the playoffs. I still think they're going to win. I haven't fifty games I may be a little high. But we were all high. No think we are. I bet the under and it was at forty. Thinking about something has there ever been a a higher quotient of the of the all Bob Marley team than is on the show right now? We look six two we all. That's it. It's just like that music. That's all. Yeah. It's reggae. But but I don't think the story today is the is the shocker that. That makes I think you're you think it is. What are the what are the? I'm just surprised that magic went. You know, I I guess reproached rebuked scolded. He just called the huddle. I think it's because none of us know, the real definition of admonishment. And we think it is. Google. We think it's way worse than it. Really is. Paid for what you rather haven't seen. Nothing. Well, I'd rather. I mean, what's he constructive? I guess is the question or was he just or was he just be reading, Luke? What I hope he did was he walk in any said explain to me what you're thinking. When you did this the same thing, you want Friedman invited you today, Robert. I think that I want Dave Roberts out. Crazy. But I I think you're nuts about that. But cashews. Pay to to coach the coaches he's paid to oversee. What are the is that Luke finishes the year as head coach of the Lakers? I would take that that right now. What are the what do you want to give me what I want to give me? I got mythical money. Well, what do you think? The odds are good. Really good. No. So gimme gimme a number. Gimme gimme a bet. So then it sounds like I'm ten to one. Don't give him that. No. That's too high. Any I don't think you tend to want any coach Popovich. But 'cause it all depends on what the record correct all depends. So you're asking forecast the record. I think they're gonna win between forty eight and fifty games and you think local finish ears head coach. I then why not ten to one take it easy over there. Go money. It's real he's out of control. But that would that would be next year's mythical money. Right. Well, I kind of depends, right. You said no decision will be made till after Christmas. Okay. No. But but I'm betting he's going to be the coach at the end of the year. And you think your pet? He's going to be out. So yeah, I'll give you. I'll give you. I'll give you ten to one on ten grand. So if if I that I get you pay me ten grand if you still a coach at the end of the year and give you a hundred not okay. But the end of this year or the end of next, you know, the season ends in April. Right. So it'd be in next year's mythical money season is jet. Okay. Yeah. I'll take that bet. Wow. You're betting Luke Walton is going to be fired. Honestly think I it feels like kind of fifty fifty ish to me. You've also killed for next year. Because you both only start with one hundred grand loses Johns out. If I win it's it's goldrush. All right, John. We'll have a have a safe flight. We'll be listening tomorrow and then back here Sunday night. And I think you're here all week, right? I get Nick. I'm there every day. But Friday we played at Sacramento credit. Cool. All right. They are calling everyone. John sorry about the raiders to sorry about the raiders. We didn't get to that yet. We don't. We don't mention their name. I'm sorry raiders. The raiders the autumn wind blows. And so do the raiders. Coming up next got an interesting wrinkle to this Luke magic reprimand a reprimand. It was an admonish Monash -ment. Yeah. I got that definition use a simpler word, plus we'll define the word admonishment, Mason Ireland, Freddie, and O-share here. ESPN LA.

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The Sedano Show (Hr 2)

Afternoons with Marcellus & Kelvin

00:00 sec | 1 year ago

The Sedano Show (Hr 2)

"So Donald show here on ESPN LA at the sa- Boba casino resort hotel. Come hang out. We're going to be to watch the game tonight. Of course, the game will be on our air. We're going to end the show little early tonight. So we've got a lot of stuff to pack in a very short amount of time. We're trying to effort to find Steve Laven here shortly to talk to him about the UCLA job. This Rick Barnes rumor what he thinks about tonight's game. All that stuff in just a few moments. But in the interim speaking of college. Kirk morrison. Did you see what Nick Sabin said? I guess yesterday. Absolutely. Absolutely. You know, they much gonna get past me when it comes to especially college football, okay? Show for those that don't know Nick Sabin, basically each so I've been around nickel little bit in my learn, okay. When he was the dolphins coach. And I I've been around him in Bristol a bunch of times, which by the way when he was in Bristol. He was actually always very nice in person. I know he has this relationship with the media that isn't great at times. But I think that it's because he can control it particularly their Alabama. However, he does he did control the narrative in this particular discussion because he wasn't even asked this question. But he went into this kind of diatribe about guys leaving early career which clearly affects him, right? And he talked about how he doesn't think. It's in the best interest of the players in a lot of cases. Because a lot of these guys aren't all first round picks that they go in the third round. And then they become starters for a team, and they gotta play under the crappy third round contract for a couple of years when if they would have waited a year and played another year college football, they probably would have been in the first round, and they would have made a difference between fifteen and eighteen million. And look that all sounds right. Which look I'm not saying he's wrong. Okay. That may indeed the case. But then those kids would have to come back and play another year of college football in essence for free instead of making money. So it does benefit Nick Sabin in a lot of ways with having a deeper roster. If a guy doesn't. Leave for the pros. And let's not forget Nick Sabin has now lost a lot of ground. It seems like to Clemson all of a sudden who's now the new team potentially. You were there with me the next day when they were out there, you know, quoting, you know, who they quote should night, sir night. Right. Yeah. So Clemson players out there quoting shook night after the game when they beat down Alabama. So there are a number of reasons why Nick Sabin would say that not to mention that the XFL is coming, and I don't know if you know this Kirk, but the XFL my understanding is there's not an age limit bright to the XFL correct which affects Nick Sabin and the SEC specifically. So there are a lot of reasons as to why Nick Sabin is saying this as someone who covers college football someone who is a professional football player. I would imagine you have some strong thoughts on this. Yeah. I got some strong thoughts. Just because it goes to different ways here, George. I'm gonna go with the coaching side of it. I've seen a lot of coaches have to sit down with a young man and their family, whatever it may be in talk about their future talk about. Hey, this is what I think is best for you. And some players like it some players dislike it, but the coaches saying, I'm giving you the best advice that I feel is best for you. I've coached at the NFL level. I have context on the NFL level. This is what people are telling me or you can come back to school for another year and better your skills and better your draft choice. I mean your draft selection. Does it benefit the school? Obviously that does. But at the same time, I feel like Nick Sabin has done a great job recruiting his team is every year at the they're competing for national championship every year. So what also for me? I would take what he says as the bible, I will take because he's proven to me. Right now this year. They may have another five players drafted in the first round, George Alabama. Yes. Correct. Five players possibly drafted in the first round of the draft coming up in a couple of weeks, but the player who's went on Twitter name Ronnie Harrison played safety for Alabama. Last year. Got drafted in the third round about a Jacksonville Jaguars ended up becoming by the way, wasn't happy that Sabin singled him out. Yes. Able when saving single them out because I think a lot of time save it and said, hey, I want you to get one more year because remember people forget that Nick saban's background is a defensive backs coach. Okay. Yes. And so right. Could he could he be telling him? Hey, I think you should come back for another year. Get your skills down. You could be a Minka Fitzpatrick who was drafted in the first round. You can be an Eddie Jackson who was a pro bowler for the Chicago Bears as past season. So it is convenient for him to say that because he needs the guys on the roster because he's all of a sudden not the top dog anymore. I mean, it's he's got a factory George. It's I mean, you think Alabama is really like oh my God. We're gonna lose out on this player. Like, no, I think that I think he does think that not only is he gonna lose out on players to Clemson or these other schools potentially because every run comes to an end Kirk. It doesn't the gravy train don't last forever. And then this XFL situation next year where they're going to start taking kids regardless of age. I mean, not every kid can. Do make that jump. But there's gonna be some that do I guarantee you that it'd be a couple not a lot. It's the same thing with the NBA. Remember, though is going gonna be a mass exodus of players from college going straight to the G league by now or remember when Brandon Jennings decided, you know, what I'm not going to go to college, and we'll play any wells. And we look at the way that their careers have panned out so terri- Ferguson did that. Absolutely. So there are guys who may do it. But I think is going to be or less. I mean the opportunity to play college in look, maybe this is just because of Megyn George I had the opportunity to go to college. I had an opportunity to leave early. I decided to come back to score early. And for me didn't work out. Yes. I got drafted in third round played eight years. I have great career after football. I play you know, in times in which you know, the teams I play for weren't the best. But I was always at the top. And I was able to have a long lasting career. And a lot of it was because the skills learned in college. Everybody's situation is different though. And. That's what Nick Sabin and some coaches have to realize, but I think what he's trying to say is f- for kids who make any motion decision because some kids feel like they have to like, I gotta go because I gotta do this for my family got to do this in. Sometimes like, my mom said you was broke before you went to league what you gonna do for. You can do it another year. Right. And I was like true because the NFL is going to beat here for you. It's going to be there, but dole out and have another year in college earn your degree do all those things. But that was my situation. I don't know what's different for other players. So it's it's hard because I understand what saving the sand and people automatically are going to link him with oh he wants him to come back. But with the kind of players that saving his recruiting, George, honestly, I mean, it's just the next man up mentality. How many years like, oh, they just drafted five guys into the NFL and get here comes the next five. You know what I mean? Here comes to any tag at it stand quarterback point at some point that gravy trains, going to I know. Reason. Listen stop. Okay. There's a reason he saying what he's saying is all I'm saying no plays. You go down to Alabama everybody. And we already seen it. Yeah. I've been there. I've seen it. I've seen it. I coming up next. I guess we'll still try to track down Steve Levin at some point. But you and I we'll talk about Rick Barnes UCLA. Then moves like it could be happening. Plus. Former USC great juju Smith Schuster all sorts of shapes thrown at him by Tonio Brown. Former Steeler teammate and current Oakland raider I wanna get to that stuff as well. Stick around plus right now. Call the number seven at eight seven seven seven ten ESPN eight seven seven seven ten three seven seven six. We're right now at the Boba casino resort and hotel. 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It's all nice brand new place. So there's a lot of nice stuff going on here. So get down here and check it out. All right. So you and I got a couple of things to discuss here. And we don't have very short amount of time. So let's start with the us because we got we got our four thirty or the thirty segment y'all just so you know, is the shortest segment we got so we gotta go through things quickly at thirty. I think the audience is pretty smart. They kind of figure it out at times. But just sometimes look, I get it. You're busy you're doing things while you're driving. You don't necessarily know. But the for the thirty segment is always the quickest segment so UCLA rumor we had Calipari is the rumor, Jamie Dixon was rumored that fell apart. Because of the the buyout was too. Big like eight million dollars. Mccrone was rumored at one point by the LA times. He's not the guy now rig Barnes. So here's the deal. Rick barnes. I believe Rick Barnes is the guy who. Can help you put your program. In the right direction or point them in the right direction, kinda get them going, right? But the in the regular season he has a lot of success. But in the postseason that has not always been the case as we saw this year as we saw multiple times with Texas. So I'm just giving you UCLA fan. Just kind of a quick tip on Rick Barnes. Schematically leaves a few things to be desired as we saw in this particular tournament and just historically good in the regular season. Not so great in the postseason. So but he gets players. That's for sure he got him at Texas, and he got him at Tennessee. So there's that I do you believe eventually though that guys can get over the hump or that UCLA is so talent rich that they can overcome potentially some of those deficiencies, I think they can obviously the hotbed of Los Angeles. You don't have to go far to recruit and correct. Rick Barnes can come in. And he has to have success. Really, right. Away. Oh, no doubt. You know? And then look they Dave patient over. There was no not at all. So he's got to come in with boots on the ground and really start to recruit hard on what he's been able to do because we've been able to do so far in Tennessee in the last couple of years to me has been fantastic. I picked him to go to the final four. They were my final duty. So fortunately, yeah. I like the way he coaches me new agreement. He coaches hard. He coaches tough physical. You know board grad the boards shoot the three to allot. And I think he can bring a different brand of basketball to UCLA. But what he does bring is some success. Now like you mentioned it may not be the one getting over the hump just yet. But could this be the program that is rich as UCLA is? And he can get players and he can bring players to a point where he can get over the hump. That's the one thing that is it going to be a splashy higher. I don't know if it's splashy enough. I think people want big names here in LA because he he's he's a good hires a good heart, John Calipari, right? That's what I'm saying isn't a settle higher as well. When you've had guys who have turned you down. So is this more of a settle higher when he does get here. That's what makes it. I think a little bit different. When Steve Alford took the job. He was the hot name in college basketball, leaving New Mexico program. So Rick Barnes after you know, what he's done in Tennessee. And what does the buy out look like for him at Tennessee? He comes over to UCLA, if you know when it finally gets done, and my big thing is look, you know, when when all was here, you had a couple of years you had a couple of players, and obviously some went to the NBA draft that's part of the process and how will rig Barnes recruit. Though. What is he going to recruit though, is he recruiting one in Duns is recruiting guys who are going to be around for two three seasons and truly build the program. Because if we're watching tonight's game, George right when we're watching tonight's national championship game ain't one and done out there tonight. Okay. For Texas Tech in Virginia ain't no one and done. You're bringing in guys who are going to be program builders, you're going to have some guys who are gonna play throughout their seniors. Eventually you're going to need to do have those kind of program builders anyway, because we're a couple years away from the draft letting kids come in from high school, so right? So that's part of what we'll see tonight in terms of the NC double a championship in is at the route possibly that rig. Barnes will go. But is that splashy enough for the people in Westwood to come out? So if you going to build your program that way, it has to be wins. But if you're going to bring get some of the high caliber talent here in southern California. That's where he's got to sell the program with guys who are going to be the one and done not everybody's going to be able to get Zayn. You know what I mean? But right, if he can raise the profile of UCLA, I think that's the first part, but they got to get rid of that Under Armour get back to Nike. See that's gonna do first UCLA. I am with you on you know. You know? And look, I ain't trying to knock Under Armour shirts. I don't do their shoes. Correct. You know what I'm saying? I don't do this Nicos. I'm cool with like the tire. Right. But the the I just I don't feel that. Right. It's something about this is something about this. It is even a Dita's is a little more swag. You know right now. That's what UCLA they were Dita's another one under armor. But it's something about that. Swoosh man was the money. That's what it is. Chasing UCLA head and figure this thing on out. But tonight, the Texas Tech. They're also an under armor school going against Virginia who is eight Nike school as well. But when you look at their coaches tonight, Chris beard, and Tony Bennett, both guys are program builders, and if that's the route that UCLA wants to go, I think Rick Barnes is a good program builder. But at some point, right, George window. You get over the hump is it two years is it three years and will people have the patience if he doesn't deliver right away. We'll find out. I guess we'll see how legit this rumor is so coming up next. I want to get into Antonio Brown versus juju. Smith Schuster, a man of Troy integrity being called out in some ways. We'll get into that the dodgers and they're ridiculous start to the season. Particularly Cody Bellinger, and the athletic has put out a poll players poll NBA one hundred twenty nine players voted for who the MVP is the most overrated player in the NBA is who's the greatest of all time. 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So we are a lot of things I want to cover here. So I want to get to the dodgers, and I want to get to this athletic poll. I sent you the article, right? So yet let Sam amick who's going to join us at five fifteen. Okay. And he pulled a hundred and twenty seven MBA players on who the best player in the game. Is who the MVP is? Who's the goat? Who's the most overrated player who's the guy who at least wanna fight in the NBA? So all that stuff. We'll get to in a little bit. But real quick I want to get to the juju Smith Schuster Antonio Brown's who correct me if I'm wrong, I'm going to try to kind of. You know, build up the story here. Okay. So obviously Antonio Brown and the raiders or excuse me and the Steelers part, and it's not pretty bad break-up. Right. Bet. Pratt break-up. So then all of a sudden. ABC's throwing shade at juju. I right. That's how they started. Well, it was a guy looking at his mentions, and that's Antonio Brown because he was replying to a Steeler fan who was kind of going at. ABC's in. Hey, the Steelers don't need you. We moved on juju Smith is now our guy so in reply to a fumble than the biggest moment he well. No, he fumbled. The season away is what he said. Right. That's funny. Part of the irony. There is that Tony Brown was even vailable for to save the season. So then juju was like, yo, man. Like, why did you take swipe at me? I did nothing, but respect you while you were here. Like juju took the high road. He seems like a great kid off, man. Yeah. And then now I'm Tonio is out there screen shotting DM's from his Instagram from a couple of years ago when juju is sending him like a note on like your man, I respect you on big fan. Can you kind of give me some guidance this that and the other, blah, blah, blah, just kind of putting it out there. Now, my my guest to that is that he's just doing that to show people. Like, yeah, you see you see on the man like he's got to come to me this. He's still a kid. I just don't love that like that just seems out of place unnecessary like and just petty as hell. Yeah, petty. I think it's. Antonio brown. People are saying look this is the decision at Pittsburgh made. And it's for the right reason. Look, we're we're happy with juju Smith, and we're glad that we got rid of Antonio Brown. He goes to the raiders. But the funny thing about all of this George was at Saturday. I was at US's spring showcase. Okay. That's their sort of like spring game. Where you get a chance to go look at you know, we'll see what's going on over at USC. What's Klay held and cooking up for two thousand nineteen and his new offensive coordinator Graham herald in the air raid. But there was one player who was an attendance former UC wide receiver by the name of juju Smith Schuster. So when you look at juju he's over at trying to be incognito. He's got the the hoodie on. And and he's got his the the zipper way button up and kinda hiding his face. But juju was the next. And I think this is what I see when juju is like leaving the field. And obviously, it's kind of. Different 'cause he's got security around him because everybody would have bum bartered them. And you know, probably wanted to sign autographs, and obviously he just wanted to be out there with his former college teammates. But the big thing is that everybody's like juju juju, and I really believe that juju Smith Schuster is taking a lot of the spotlight away from Tonio Brown. I think the people in Pittsburgh are so ready to move on and say, we still got a number one receiver that you probably were holding down and Tonio Brown. So I think that in Tonio, and this is what a lot of people. Yeah. Holding out juju. And this is what a lot of players go through George a lot of players in the NFL when they get drafted. There's this sense. I've even had the sense like, oh, yeah. I'm here. I made it. And then sometimes at some point you'll refu- you'll figure it out George where the NFL doesn't stop. When you leave or team is not going to stop playing games. Because you are no longer on team. They're going to replace you and move on. And I think that's what's going on with Antonio Brown. Obviously. Like, he was like, I built this thing. And look you show on look juju was coming to me. You mentioned the DM on his Instagram about here's a wide receiver from USC. And I want to be a better player. I look up to you. And all this different stuff to me. I think that a lot of that shine for Antonio is now gone because of people in Pittsburgh, I won't say he's hated. But he has never definitely not beloved like he wants was. Yeah. And I think now you're starting to see him come out and really take up too many shots now focus now Antonio is too petty. Yeah, it's petty. And by the way, man, he's a nice kid, man. All he's done is respect you the whole time. You know, what I mean like publicly clearly privately to because he sent him a DM. Right. You know what I'm saying? I so I it's it's just unnecessary, man. You know what? Hasn't been unnecessary is all these home runs by the dodgers. Right. Listen, man. After the way the dodgers got started last season. And if you remember it wouldn't pretty nam. I am just excited right now. I am excited for baseball. I am excited for with this dodger team can be and again as you, and I have talked about this is even without Clayton Kershaw not a necessity anymore. A luxury of getting him back. You know, I know odious struggled a little bit kind of in that game yesterday. But I also want to see him continue to develop. I don't know if he's going to get much of a chance in the starting rotation once Clayton and ritual and those guys come back. I guess is. No. But I just I feel like man this team is might might be honestly, Kurt the deepest team in baseball again. And last couple years that's been the case. But man like. You are seeing as you pointed out earlier these young guys on that roster really kinda come in into their own. And you're getting kind of a search from those guys even somewhat unexpected as good as they are. And I know it's early, but I feel like that the guys that they kept. Okay. The core of Seger and Bellinger. And buehler. There's a reason they didn't trade those guys when they had the chance because they could've traded two of those three guys for Chris sale Windsor Boston and they wanna World Series. And you know, we all know how that ended up last season being he was big Martin. And but they stuck to their guns on those young guys. And I think they're going to reap the benefits of it. And they may reap the benefits of it in theory for a very long time because of that well the NBA and they're able still to both stir that bullpen now. Because obviously stripling you mentioned your. I mean, you it is he he's gonna go when Clayton and rich come back Bill. Those guys were go to the pin. And so now when you have a luxury of guys who are can be starters. Now, go to your bullpen. Now. You're talking about the extended relief innings that these guys can pitch that you have confidence. They can go possibly three four innings if you need them. I think that they're gearing up an understanding what is going to take when that postseason does come around. But it's really I think the young players you mentioned starting to come to their into their own. But I think also too they've got the confidence the confidence. Now that look I don't have to look over my shoulder and say my playing today remember that outfield was crowded the last couple, right. Yeah. And it was too. And you're like man, if I go over three over four today, I probably won't Klay our I'm down to March or maybe down for a couple of games, or you know, what we're planning to a lefty today. I'll be well let me figure out what I'm gonna do. Because. I'm probably be off totally different. Now. I think the way they approached the game looks differently. And I know it's only two series and played in Colorado couple series and know they played in Colorado with everybody's excited about all the home runs. But I think that this series right now going on against the Saint Louis cardinals is one it's a it's a small. Yes, it's a small test. I agree because they're going to be one of those teams that you're going to have to compete against to get to the World Series. And they've been a thorn in your side. I coming up next. We'll get to what's trending. We'll get to that player poll. One hundred twenty nine players polled by the Atlantic about all sorts of things who's the goat who's the MVP who's the most overrated, and who's the guy you would want to fight Sam Amy who is the author of that particular article in an NBA insider will join us at five fifteen, but we'll get to the actual stuff and trending including. Couple of things that you're gonna wanna stick around for like wrestlemainia. We got a little wrestlemainia actually coming up and trending what they would that's about as well. So now to show Kirk Morrison hanging out ESPN LA back and four minutes. So Donald show here on ESPN LA. We're here at the Boba casino and resort come hang out with watching the game here tonight games coming up after us. We're only here for about another forty five minutes or so and then the game will be on. So make sure you. Stick around if you're in the car, and you've got a little action maybe on tonight's contests. 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Eight seven seven seven ten three seven seven six you win a stay here at the Boba casino resort and hotel and golf packages. Well, so caller seven eight seven seven seven ten ESPN. If you miss out this time. We got one more to give away before the end of the show at five forty five. So we got another one for you here in the next thirty forty minutes or so so stick around for that I Kirk. So do you want to wrestlemainia or do you want to start with this poll that the athlete did about pause? Well, let's start with the poll. Okay. We will start with the poll. So the poll as I mentioned was a story that looks like it took a couple of weeks to kind of put together Samay who's going to join us in about fifteen minutes, the twenty nineteen NBA player pull who's the MVP. Who's the goat? Who's the most overrated players weigh in on the best and worst in the game? So let's do this real quick. Who do you think the players voted for MVP one hundred twenty two votes one hundred twenty two votes? I would say James harden, James harden and forty four point three percent Jaanus second with thirty eight point nine. So it was close. But you know, it's it's funny. A mean, and I talked about this on the jump the other day. He believes that Zeno phobia plays a little factor in this that they're like, he's not an. Doom of over the American do do you think that plays a factor in this at all? No, I think it's because we've seen James harden. Do it in a pressure situation in you know, been to a Western Conference final. Janas I need to see it. This is his year. That's what mean you've talked about. This is his playoff run. This can elevate him like Dirks run in two thousand and what was that six MVP year the next year? And it's this is this is one of those years that Jaanus needs in order to put himself there were like, okay what he did on a regular season. He's doing it in the playoffs. Yes. He is one of the top Paul George finish third-row Embiid fourth. Irene Damian Lillard? Kawhi Leonard got like a vote. It looks like dodge. I next question on the NBA player poll who's the best defender in the NBA, take a guess hundred fourteen votes. I will go with Kawhi Leonard Cohen Leonard got thirty percent of the vote. Paul George got sixteen percent of the vote. Rudy Gobert got fifteen percent of the vote. Patrick Beverley got ten and a half percent. Joel Embiid at four and a half percent Jrue holiday three and a half percent Jaanus. Draymond Chris done two and a half percent clay. Yes. Correct. Mikhail Mikhail bridges, one point seven. Percent. My dog playing and get more respect on defense. You get more love. You know what I'm saying? I should get more love, you should get more. I would have been more love than at least Jrue holiday. Correct. That Drew's bad. Drew's an excellent defender too. Don't get me wrong. But I feel like Klay better defender than even droops who's the best. Ball handler, go kyri, Irvine, Kyrie Irving seventy seven percent of. Yeah. Steph Kemba Walker James harden, Chris Paul next. You're building a roster from scratch who are you signing first hundred twenty-five votes, building a Rosser from scratch right now signing who you signing. I right now if I'm building a roster. Golly. Today, if someone said who'd you start a roster right today. Started with James harden. Okay. James harden finished. Tenth on the list. Jaanus overwhelming favourite at number one by Anthony Davis. Joel embiid. Kevin durant? Lebron James and Steph curry roundup consoled Katie in there. It's a Katie James harden. Those dudes no matter what what they've shown me is that whatever's going on around him, I can still put a team on my back when I need this is where it gets juicy now who's the most overrated player in the NBA only forty seven players were even willing to vote on this. I think from what I've kind of gathered. It's got to be someone on a championship team. Who gets a lot of rec- who doesn't get a lot of respect because they feel he's just like kind of a just just there. It's Draymond green. Draymond green is number one tied with Russell Westbrook. Komo man. Leave Draymond alone. He is a major piece within that team without Draymond. They don't win a championship. Okay. With draymond. I make a month. So here's what I've gathered from this player pull that the Atlantic did, and we can ask Sam about it in ten minutes when he stops. There's some there's some personal bias obvious some, hey, or one way or the other whether it's your your defending your your voting for your teammate or your voting for dude. You don't like in this case. You know what I mean? Like, I think there's that number two tied. Jimmy Butler Andrew Wiggins and call Anthony towns funny because they were all teammates. I do agree with Wiggins and towns being on this list. Number three, James harden. Ben simmons. Lebron James, and Kyle Lowry that I think the cholera that's one that I've been harping on before. I think that playing in Toronto has kinda shielded him, and they get you know, obviously when the playoffs come around. We haven't seen the cower lower you like, oh, wow. So this is what the all-star from the east looks like we don't ever get that moment from Kyle in the play offs the one that I kind of really kind of scratch my head George was one that we kind of discussed last week in the fact that when we start talking about these tiers or free agents at the Lakers can go at and one of them happens to be at the top of this list. After Draymond is that a good sign for the Lakers. If they're getting what people consider one of the most overrated players in the NBA if they were to sign a free agent like Jimmy Butler. Yeah. I don't think Jimmy's overrated. I think Jimmy's properly rated I think this is just again some bias. All right. Let's go through these quickly. Who's the most underrated player in the NBA one hundred sixteen votes who most underrated player. Wow. I voted by NBA players. I would say Paul George. Poll juror JR. Is not on the list. Properly. Rated number one drew holiday. Sixteen percent, followed by Damian Lillard, Chris Middleton, Jim Mike Conley who forever as been? Oh, yeah. In the league who's he we about Maria's who's thinking about Memphis right now. He was number three. Who's the best player of all time one hundred seventeen votes? That's not even a question and a God at the low the logo outside of Jerry West the other lows that the short hit. Yes, there's there's the NBA logo. And then there's the other logo. Michael Jordan, Jordan, overwhelming seventy three percent. Lebron James second followed by Kobe Bryant. But it was close between those two Kareem Michael will be happy to hear got at least a couple of votes at number four. So, but look again, here's the thing you, and I talked about the lack of connectivity. Lebron has had with the teammates. And and it seems like he hasn't been as self aware. I think some of that is reflective on this poll. Guys are looking around like, you know, man, the, Brian, you know, he's just I don't know what's going on a little Hollywood. That's that's not what I'm saying. That's what a lot of people obviously saying, well, he has done an interview with spectrum sports. He sure has had his sit down with Jim hill. So I on now he's starting to hear the rumblings of what people said he should have did in the beginning. Now. Guess what George? He's playing catch up is now getting people on his side. Now last one who would you not want to fight a one hundred five votes as voted by NBA players which player in the league. Would you least want to fight? Who I would is easy. This was easy this. I mean, it was no brainer. And I'm stunned that he win by more. George. I don't know right now PJ he's Huckabee worn. Now, James Johnson. He's at aim degree black belt. Oh, an MA and dad is is was a martial arts for a long time. He's six eight and can literally the ball off the top of the rim. Like if you place the ball on the rim. I have I have seen him kick the ball off of that. That's how a bad. You know, what he is? Number two. Stephen Adams number three's Zach Randolph. See I told John Ireland the other day Zach Randolph still no g Patrick Beverley four surgery back of five. Do you know who got votes on this who of Charles Oakley run? Our tests haven't been in the league in like those of the guys who I thought of I. I've been in the league and forever 'cause winning the league he's been he's been trying to fight James Dolan. But that's about it for real. So wrestlemainia was this weekend. Obviously Kofi won the championship. That was a big deal, obviously and Becky Lynch one and that was a big deal. But what I saw which I thought was the funniest thing of anything was have you seen these videos from outside in the parking lot at MetLife stadium from wrestlemainia. No, I've only heard of I haven't seen the videos, but I've heard similar to what we saw with Super Bowl forty eight that took place at the same stadium. Well, basically have you? It's like the Buffalo Bills bills, mafia celebrations where they're. Yeah. That's that's what wrestlemainia fans were doing outside. Y'all need to make sure you get in the dam building talking about those two and a half hour, wait to get on mass transit to get out of that place. There was a lot of angry fans after wrestlemainia. I saw those videos, George, no doubt. Next. Paul Pierce said an NBA countdown that he easy. He was a better player than Dwayne Wade. I'm gonna just obstain from this conversation because I pulled her friends, but you know, we all know where my allegiances will lie in this particular conversations. He knows that to you. You let me play it cannot play. Police you go. All right. Better NBA play. This is off the bat. That's making you give me shack. If you give me LeBron did. Yeah. We got that late. But like go. Early in my career went. Well, let me ask you this. What would have been a perfect time thing ball. Let's make sure we get this all twenty four years old Hammy set up twenty four twenty five you give me the prime in Boston. I'll be sending oh five or six championships Eason. So that you as a veteran being. Years who who? First of all you play. Here's all you had K G Ray Ray, John. Right. Exactly. Now, Paul Nyerere about the same age. Okay. We're forty one years old. I am actually like a month or so older than Paul. So when you were twenty four LeBron was still like a junior high. I say he was like he might have been afraid my school. So you weren't Gobi just joking. I don't know about a freshman high school. He was like, I don't know. Maybe like he might have still been in high school actually at that point. So, you know, I there was a video going around of like when Jalen roles started to tell, you know, Paul Pierce sale of the tape the Tate why he was not better than one. Dwayne Wade in people just had means of a soul being taken from Paul Pearson. He just started to hear the Alkhaleej. Internet wasn't man. I mean, everybody at Laker Twitter Twitter NBA, Twitter anybody, but Boston Twitter, basically was all like just got unions to tweet. She got she got sheets hook it real personal. Like, it was like delaying ways. Son, took it personal. That's only personally. I don't be talking about my daddy. Hey, my daddy looked way better than you. And what nineteen years you've got one ring? My daddy got three. All right. All right ours. I your chill out, relax. So that's what's trending. Brought to us by dukes brewing company with five tasting rooms and southern California torn Santa Monica Santa Cruz Kurita. 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"So Donald show here on ESPN LA. We're outside of the plaza across from staple center on a very windy day a nice day, but very very windy where things are flying everywhere. I feel like the table just whipped up on us here. A second ago. Trudell is hanging out here. Do you feel the table whip up on us a little bit there? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. How safe that is? But okay. I'll just hold it down push down on the table. Just in case. So doesn't flip on us. Right. Yeah. Yeah. You've got a nobody can see you. Because it's it's radio. It's not a visual medium. So I'm going to do my best describe what's going on with you. Oh, you have a large band aid over your brow on your forehead? Why is it that you have some sort of injury or ailment? Well, I was hoping you didn't. Oh, I knew a black is to realize that good Lord, man. What? Well, tell tell Annie. She doesn't have to be that serious. Well, any anybody that watched the Laker game on Sunday saw this? But on Sunday morning. I was playing some pickup basketball and had a kind of unfortunate head on head collision or truly like, whoa. There's a trash bag. They want about hundred telling you it is not safe to be out here. Like, honestly like we should be in the studio. Like things are flying at us. This isn't even a joke. Yeah. This little wizard of Oz action. Yeah. Yeah. So I was playing a pickup basketball. And I I was driven the ball across the paint and kind of lost control of the ball veered down quickly to try to get the ball back going to my left, and then somebody met me with his head, essentially. And so we boom so head on. I and I and I so shot at the daybreak madman. Who by the way was hot yet had three straight threes at that point. Right. We were playing together and Dave took me straight to the ER. I got seven stitches, oh, we're kind of right going up. But my I, but I'm all good. The only thing I'm annoyed about is. Now, apparently, I'm not supposed to let any sun hit this thing. Oh, now, you're out here. Like a year. We'll not just an I put like the whole year right times coming. Yeah. You have you know, some time off. Now, not good summer league in Vegas is going to be big. Indoors a lot. You're not gonna be doing any poolside Sodano hanging out chats. Well, so that happened and that was unfortunate thirty seven years old. She's probably stop playing on my way out the door. My wife was like just don't get hurt. And of course, it's what happens in come back because you give you the I told you so now, I'm sure she's felt bad. I mean, I sent her the picture of you know, it was not pretty so she at that point was just wish feeling -cerned. But the I told you so is coming again is I mean there was a little bit of that town. Yeah. Of course, you know. Listen, I get it. Yeah. On the plus side at what point should you just kinda give up like, I did it like a year ago? I turned forty and I was getting hurt playing against twenty five year olds at LA, fitness. Yeah. My back was killing me. My ankles were killing me, my knees were killing me. And my wife said what's wrong with you? And I was like, you know, what it's a good point. I tried to prove that I can play with twenty five year old still know, I can't. So let's stop that. You should probably do this. That may be my last game. I the only reason I went is because season ticket holders have this kind of this great in this kind of. Full court sable center court up in BelAir, and I just went out, and it's like I'll go play the really nice family mcmenamin is going up. So I said, I don't know if I should play played in a while. And you know, I should have stuck to my instincts. Yep. So that'll be retiring officially retired. You want to retire fishery on this show either that or I'll just I just have to stop playing hard. I basically have to. Start playing like Rasheed Wallace point line two three point line. That's not happening. Like, I tried to do that too. And it just you become too competitive. That was my problem. I really don't wanna officially retire. You're like third ski right now. I look at least still need to play soccer, which I can. Okay. My body a little better. Yeah. You were also a college soccer player. But I need to division one. I probably need to stop playing basketball in that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. All right. So is that official out official. Dirk, thanks. Yeah. It's getting there. All right. So Ramona was on the jump earlier today and Ramona. I guess broke some news when it came to the Lakers front office coaching dynamic funds. Do you have that ready for me? Let's hear it. Luke Walton and Magic Johnson have not spoken for weeks. I want you to when there's not video Rollings want a motive if they haven't if they found that working relationship to the wear it's been weeks since you've had meaningful conversation. The people holding a Magic Johnson have not spoken for weeks. That's a problem. Yeah. That's not good. I would say that the dynamic needs to be a little better. What I would say Trudell is that if you look at these successful teams in any sport. Whether it's the NBA major league baseball, the NFL professional sports. There's communication from the top down to the bottom from the owner down to the equipment manager, basically like everyone is on the same page, and it feels like at times there's been a lack of connectivity for lack of a better term. Well, th the as to what's going to happen with the coaching question, which has been probably the top question that I feel like it'd been getting last several in there may be some resolution to tonight. Well, perhaps. Yeah. And so I think what's what's clear is that in g buses said this on various podcasts and platforms that Magic Johnson is going to make this decision this magic. And so that is that's about the only thing that we really know for sure is that it's up to magic. Right. And so. So that's that's about the only thing you can say about it. What regardless of whether or not you thought Luke did a good job or not or how much blame wanna put for. How things went on the coaching staff versus the other things. It does seem like Magic's the person that's going to make that call in. You know, it's probably going to be soon. It seems like yeah. I would say that if you're gonna do it, you know, rip the band aid off quickly. That's just kinda my theory and all this stuff like don't let it linger on don't have Luke have to do exit meetings. And then you let him go potentially that stuff seems silly show. We've got more Ramona stuff we'll have that coming up. So make sure you stick around for that specifically about what is transpiring in the front office show. We'll hear more from Ramona. She's actually going to join us live at some point during the show as well mean is gonna stop by. He was on the show with Ramona on the jump as well Trudell hanging out. But coming up next the dodgers, the good and the bad, and there's a little more bad to discuss today. Unfortunately, we'll tell you what in just a second sit down a show ESPN LA. Sodano show on ESPN, Sean ESPN LA, I'm on the wrong headset. It's not my fault considering now it's my phone, but there are all sorts of garbage flying our way wind gusts thirty miles per hour. I would say hazardous especially you Trudeau like you gotta go on TV and like a couple of minutes. Well, I've decided to not face you, also because I probably shouldn't have to sunlight, right right going. We knew scar. What we tried to put an umbrella up, but that flew away. Yeah. So that didn't work out. Very well. So if you wanna visual Georgia's standing up it has both and I am kind of half sitting on a chair looking at Wolfgang puck in the other direction. But you know, it's like having a phone conversation. Yeah. Yeah. So we apologize if the wind gusts right microphone to look nobody wants to hear can plenty of money. No. I'm just saying it's not a great audible experience for those already. We're listening on AM radio which crackles when Dan can we come inside? Yeah series. But anyway, so the dodgers the bad news is hundred ru again has a similar injury with his groin. And this is the one now this is the Jake kept him out for about ninety games last year. Now, he saying it doesn't feel as bad, right? But. It just kinda doesn't feel like I should be trusting. An athlete in this situation based on experience. And I'll say I'll explain why these guys are not going to want to not play because they're incentivized to play. Even baseball players have guaranteed contracts. Is that the other because at some point you don't wanna be the guy. That's always hurt. Right. Because you don't want to get paid. You're country's going to be up at some point. And you wanna be that guy? And let's face it. The dodgers have this unbelievable opportunity in front of them to win ballgames. And maybe be the team that wins the World Series. Because I do think they've got enough to make that work. Not to mention the fact that if he goes down. Now, you have three of your starting pitchers who are on the DL basically to start the season. So that's not cool. Even though in big picture, they're fine. Eight and three I get it. But at some point, I know they're death is good. But you don't wanna have to go too far down the depth chart if you don't have to. Yeah. I'm not there yet only because my first thought when he got hurt was like, all right? They've got forty six starting pitchers that are. So if he's out for a month, which I think is more likely than the three months that he missed last time and just for for those specific reasons that you mentioned he I mean, he even said, yeah, it was more of a precaution. It was starting to her. But it didn't feel like the same thing as it last year. So if we're taking him for somewhat of his word like he wouldn't say that if if you felt like he tore off the bone, right? So even if you want to compromise and say, it's going to be a month and a half. It's just not the same as a team that doesn't have the kind of ridiculous starting pitcher depth right in. So they do, but but again Kershaw coming back soon. Right. So you could just take that spot. They reply guess throwing well pitching in the minor league rehab start. I guess you could do it in a major league game or you just keep Lucius up. Right. Instead of I with that. And I know you wanna watch his innings to some extent. He's still young and he's coming off surgery. But yeah, the the last thing that I worry about the dodgers is depth in. That's what about Joe Howard you about Joe Kelley who's who's lost all three games. I'm not worried or feeling amazing about anything at this point of the season. So new it is. Exciting. The dodger point almost all three though there is that like Basit even Mason who I agree with says things are good your three, but it's not ideal. When that guys lost all three of the guy, you your prize acquisition there. There's this really talented broadcaster. I knows names Georgia Donna, I started working with them a couple of years ago over here for Miami. And he has this phrase ever heard of it it's called it's just baseball. It is just baseball and Joe Kelley at this point. It's just baseball. It's ten days of baseball. Agreed. But really got nice stuff. Relievers are those are high. Those are high volatile high volatility situations those guys man like boop is the hardest thing to figure out. I think in baseball because there's so much variance from year to year on how good those guys are. There's only five to ten guys legitimately year in year out for the most part that you can guarantee are legit guys who can shut the. The door. So because of that. Even though it is just baseball. I do think the bullpen part of it is I would say way more worrisome, potentially than the starting situation as you pointed out, they have a lot of depth there. Well, part of that depth though in once guys start to get healthy. That means you can put the starters into the bullpen. You can put were. Yes. Or stripling. They can throw some bullpen. It'd sure once you get settled. So, but, but I look if Kelly continues to do what he's doing now like there will there will be a certain point where I will say, okay. It's just baseball doesn't always have to be positive. It can also be negative. It's like all right. We've seen enough. Now, it's been two months where he's been bad. I just I'm not ready. Three games isn't doing games where he's it's a little bit concerned. Just given how good he wasn't the playoffs last year, and you figured maybe that would carry over. But I'm not I'm not panicking yet. I'm just not no, no panic is a strong word. Yes. I would say panic is a strong word like an eyebrow eyebrow race. Well, clearly, it's going to be your left because you're right. I don't believe you can raise right? You've got the stitches through the right eyebrow. At the moment. If you're just tuning in Trudell, basically bumped some bumped his head with somebody playing basketball. What's I say crashes a crashed or more she'll let me get to this Ramona stuff here, and then Bill Orem also has a fantastic piece in the Atlantic that I want to kind of comb through in the next segment so stick around for that. But let's get to the more Ramona stuff, so fun. There are two more bites that she talks about the front office on the jump today. And again Ramon is gonna join us a little later. So makes you come by for that. Can you play them both back to back? So that way we can just kind of get the full context of it. And I know the season has been over for a long time they haven't they're not gonna make the playoffs. But if you're in a position where you in the head coach and the front office, the general manager of the president basketball operations are not in lockstep. If there's not a trust. If there's not a relationship there that has been had two years to build. Then what what are you doing as an organization? I mean, I know there is a separation between church and state sometimes because the front office has to make decisions at the coach may disagree with right? And they need deniability. Why? When Doc Rivers was both it didn't work, right. The players know that he could trade them. But this is different. You need to have an alignment between coach in front office at least organizationally because it needs to there needs to be a trust. Is there needs to be a trust there? When you look at the good when you look at the good organizations in this league. And I'll point to the Golden State Warriors where Luke came from. And they're the gold standard right now. Myers. Myers and Steve currency page. Steve Kerr is not worried about if I don't play this guy. I'm getting fired Tamar. Nobody's worried about if I advocate for that person. Who's going to get blamed like if I don't advocate for that person isn't going to be put on me that those types of conversations and feelings are not what exists in winning cultures. And I think Magic Johnson and rob Pelinka need to hire. Whoever they are going to hire that they are in step with because that level of trust. When it does not exist. It's I it's dysfunctional at at a whole new level. All right. Let's let's talk about that on the other side Trudeau because we're actually getting we get to go back upstairs now because the winds are howling your occasionally, not allowing us to work. So on the other side, I want to tackle some of those questions. I wanna get kind of your thoughts on continuity, lack thereof potentially how to try to kind of make this thing work here this off season. We'll try to get down that path as we're here with the last game really starting to hope, you know, unfortunately for Luke looking. Forward potentially beyond him at this point. So we'll get to that. Plus, the great Bill Orem piece in the Atlantic today, which kind of highlighted a number of things that you kind of heard hushed tones and whispers, but have now come to light about the way the front office and Luke kind of interacted we'll get to some of that in just a moment. Trudeau hanging out sit down and show ESPN LA so down to show here on ESPN LA in the studio. Now, that's more like it avoiding the wind and things flying at us. So Trudell is here. Still beat up on. Fortunately, man, it actually I feel like now that you took the glasses off. Now, I can see the I not not ideal. Look, I don't mind. Honestly, if you watch the Laker game tonight, you will be able to see it. I don't want to be much of a distraction. That's the only concern because it is very you. Can't you can't look at me. And not just be like, dude, what happened to you. Yeah. It's kind of out there. But I don't know. Maybe it'll you know, it'll help me with the players a little bit. They know that I'm a gamer. I'm playing through stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I would say so you couldn't Lord, man. It's tough in telling you, man, you you're gonna have to officially retired at some point. You're all right. So. What are your thoughts on the the sound that we just heard from Ramona about you know, you look at teams like Golden State, right? The way they do things that there isn't this? For example. There isn't an issue where Steve Kerr feels like he has to play a guy or can't yank a guy or he's basically not looking over his shoulder because there's real relationships there. There's activity between the front office and the head coach. You know, look man that stuff is important. I think that that that can't be understated in this scenario. Well, I don't think that in any walk of life in any especially in any professional situation. You would think that it always helps to have everybody in the same page from the top which is the owner in the MBA setting an any team sports setting going to the management going to the coaching staff. So that triangle is very important, certainly. And I think that before you even worry or wonder about what kind of job is being done by what party, something you mentioned. I think early in really before the season even started. And I guess this really goes back to when magic and rob took the job was that Lucas here, and they didn't hire Luke. And so that could be an again, they may who knows it. It sounds like a they're going through making decision where Luke won't be back. If they do bring him back, then that will tell us something different than what we've been hearing have for in terms of cohesion and all that kind of stuff. But obviously, it's a it's a tricky situation if it is true. That there isn't a lot of communication between the offices that have to coexist. Yeah. For sure and Bill Orem did a great job today in the athlete. The story came out this morning and just talked about kind of some of the issues that he has discovered from his time covering the Lakers this particular season things like Magic Johnson being an absentee executive. Pelinka being potentially to meddlesome at times. The example us there is him being in the coaches meetings, which look isn't all that strange. But. Apparently, just the the fact that he was in there. And I guess some of the suggestions that were being made was something that made people feel a bit uncomfortable in the proactive role that he took in those situations and requested the Lakers kind of changed the way their scouting reports even were packaged. So there's almost this sense of again, you have novices in this front office. You've guys kind of trying to figure out how to do this. And you're going to have these bumps in the road because of it, you know, there was the story that was referenced that Stephen a Smith had mentioned months ago back in February that he had been told that magic didn't want Lonzo that magic actually wanted Darren FOX and that genie bus and the business side was like all we need Lonzo because of the connection LA UCLA, blah, blah, blah, cetera et cetera. Which they've denied. But like all that stuff is out there, and it kinda plays into some of genie's recent appearances in the media talking about how she's had to kind of be in a situation where she's trying to kind of figure out where the leaks are coming from. And how this stuff is being disseminated to the media if so what is being said to the media, and you know, basically lack for lack of a better phrase, I come to Jesus type meeting with her staff. So all these things are kind of in play like, we've known some of these things, but we didn't know I guess to this extent the type of details that were involved in some of these conversations. Well, the second that the liquor season turned from and really it was when the brand got hurt that the biggest thing that turned the season the second that the the losses started becoming faster than the winds. All of this stuff was inevitable all of the offseason question marks. Whether it was the coaching staff the players. The veterans the young guys. Everybody's job became a question because this franchise, and this organization clearly is sick of where it's been the stretch, George which is longer than any previous Russian franchise history. Like they had missed the playoffs twice right before this reason stretch. So everybody's on edge because of that. And so that's not to me a surprise. And I think it's also fair to try and figure out exactly what did go wrong. What how much of it was injuries? Why were the injuries happening? How much of it was cohesion between the front office and the coaching staff. How much of it was just players not performing up to their expectation or their contract. All of that stuff has to come into question. And like a true autopsy of the season, right? That's a great way to describe it. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's just not like I don't care how it happened. And I think this would if you ask, you know, I'm gonna get an idea tomorrow at the exit interviews magic and Robert gonna talk and all the players are gonna talk. I assume there tomorrow at least and or maybe it's the day after the actual seasons. Maybe it's Thursday. But. Regardless all of that stuff has to be really really scrutinized. I think because nobody nobody is going to be just legs didn't make the playoffs. No big deal. You know, we'll see what happens next year. Right. So all of these questions, I guess I'm just trying to say we shouldn't shy away from or hide trying to find the truth in at least a the best that can be ascertained. What happens season? Oh, man. It's just you're listening to Caspian, Los Angeles. It's a very challenging time. I would say and look. The Lakers did the biggest thing right? Which is they got LeBron James. But then after that there are a lot of questions. There's even some stuff in this Bill Orem piece that made me raise my eyebrow. Which was. When magic I guess had said the thing about we don't want to do what they did in Cleveland. Apparently, LeBron was not necessarily like he didn't understand what the point of that was that. He was like, well, I mean, we went to four straight finals. They're like, you know, what I'm saying? I don't I don't know what the issue was. But LeBron did have a problem his own with that. According to the story, and I could see that. Right. Because there is this sense of you don't have to reinvent the wheel to make this work with LeBron. And the end of the piece that Orem wrote. I thought was the most fascinating part. I'm curious to get your thoughts on this shoot out where there's a quote from someone a source close to LeBron James. And it says, quote, you don't need names you need games when it comes to free agency. And basically what that means is the Lakers could build a team of complimentary pieces that are better. Suited to play around. Lebron James like, Marcus Morris. Right. For example, Boston right guy who can shoot three's three indeed type player and struggling by. But in theory, he's a better fist just nitpicking. I know. Yeah. That's you have to be honest. It's like, you know, he's he's he's not a better fit than he had a really good start to the year. But they're like the Celtics people think that they should he shouldn't be playing right now, they should just be playing Hayward and Brown, more minutes. Okay, fine. But your point is not is still three more of a complementary type of player is your point guys like Nicola miratec who went to Milwaukee. Right. Like a guy like that. Who is you wanna stretch five like that guy has been playing the five position? And he's a much better player than Mike Moskal is that's not even debate of what we so the conversation. We've had it before. It's are you building the roster in which I actually we all thought made sense with it last year, which was keep the space open sign the best guys that you that you think can fit to the. One year deals now in hindsight. You know, we could have maybe taken a couple of those guys and just put some pure shooting around the bron- as opposed to LeBron as opposed to the. The ninth and tenth guys. I guess they added the tenth and eleventh whatever you want to say, so that's one thing for roster construction. But then the next moving that forward to this off season. Now is do you want to try to sign guys to reasonable a couple of guys like you mentioned too reasonable two to three year type of deal because it's hard to get guys on one year deals only? And then think that if you if another star becomes available that doesn't come into your space, those are tradable contracts, and that to me is is the difference between just we're not signing. Anybody that's going to be on the books past this next summer because we think we have a good chance of getting free agent x versus let's figure out how we can just build the best team around the Brown for next year. And it's just basically, I guess ideally, think that the contracts they sign are movable in one way or the other even if you have to attach a pick to something if the right free agent is gonna come right like in other words, if you have to clear space, you you'll find a way to kind of like Daryl Morey, I guess is as opposed to just keeping everything. Open for somebody to. Walk into. No, I agree right there there, and I don't know which one of those I really don't like it because it depends on the player. Right. And it depends on what you know. It depends on what magic in Rob's. Think of their of their dream free agent list of of numbers one two three four how much do they really think they have a chance to get each of those guys that becomes very important. Because if they think it's kind of like a fifty fifty shot. All right. Well, maybe you sign a couple of more guys to to longer term deals, and if those present themselves, then you figure it out later, if it's a one hundred percent chance, you think you're going to get a guy, then maybe you just leave that stuff open. And I don't know the answer to that. Yeah. I don't know the answer that either. I it seems like there are a long shot for the big names. Right. I think that seems pretty evident at this point. Now could they hit a hail Mary? Sure. Win horse deny. We're talking about that the other day where they've got the highest variants right in regards to getting that hail Mary to actually connect. But it is still no matter what you're saying. I hail Mary because every single insider from Ramona to whoa, JR. To Marc spears to win horsed. You know, mcmenamin everybody who's been on this ship. Stephen a. They are not the first choice. Well, allegedly for any of these. So all those people you mentioned in addition to several more are good. And I think we could we can trust the reporting the comes out of it. However, they're also probably hearings the stuff from the same people, and it might be two or three people. It's a couple of powerful agencies that might be a couple of powerful exacts around the league and not everything actually gets out to people, right? Like, for example, the Jimmy Butler in Philly thing. I mean, there are a ton of examples where you just don't wear it sort of it comes out of nowhere Hawaii to the raptors. Right. So I I will say this about the Lakers situation LeBron James under contract for three more years the player option for the last. But still correct all of the young guys are still there. And even though most of them got injured this year there there is still they're still talented. You can we can argue about who's more talent than what teams want etcetera. They don't have any back contracts. They don't have any picks that are going out. Anywhere else all of their first round picks from it. So it's it's Los Angeles. Like, they are still a lot to offer. If you get if you bring somebody in a room, and it's like, here's the brain. Here's the young guys. Here's the first round picks. I'm here's the here's the money. Here's the UCLA health training center. There's the beach that there's still a pretty good pitch to be made. So that's all I'm saying if you if you get some of these guys in the room, and we haven't really heard anybody say, oh, yeah. This guy's definitely going to the Lakers. I mean, I just don't think we can discount the all of the factors that the Lakers still have to their advantage in terms of just being desirable place to play. Oh, listen again. It's the whole they have the highest variance to hit the hill. Mary, right. I think there's that. But well, that's why I'm not I'm I'm not gonna call it. A hail Mary though. Because it's those are it's not like this is some like Phoenix or Minnesota landed someone of these free agents out of the blue be like what where did that come from? But I don't think we can ever say. It's a hail Mary if the Lakers get a guy. Well, I would say it's a hail Mary because it doesn't seem. That they're the front runner for anybody. She'll because of that you're going to have to do some real work potentially. And we're in a league where I think that unfortunately for the Lakers, the timing of it isn't ideal because the guys who are the three arguably the three best guys right in Durant Colli and Klay specifically. And if you want to include a fourth in Kyrie who I do think there's a chance that he could end up a Laker all those guys really have rings. Like you want to attach yourself to the brand because you want to try to win a championship. Right. That was his pitch to Allie Clifton the other day on spectrum sports. Is you want to get on this ride with me? And you know, let's take it, you know, to the championship or whatever it was he said to her. So I just think that that's the problem is that those guys have rings, and you know, three of those four having LeBron's expense. So I think that plays a factor in this too. So it's a weird dynamic that it's potentially the greatest free agent frenzy ever and the Lakers find themselves as underdog. Pretty much all the big name guys. And even the secondary guys. They're not as the front runners. It is a strange position to be. And yes, they have a lot to offer in theory. But you know, I don't think Kevin Durant Trudeau used the right phrase when he used the word toxic to describe the experience about playing we'll LeBron because he's never played with LeBron. So how would he know specifically, but it can be chaotic, and I think that's evident and has been evident not just this year. But the years in Cleveland to yes, right there. I just think if you so if you want to if you're a free agent and you wanna go win a title. And you think you have a really good chance to how many places are that better than the bronze plus young guys, plus plus potential other casper as plus future picks. I mean, it just depends on you can't go to Houston right now. Right. Like, you can't go the Golden State unless you're obviously drank and standing in the clippers they can say their NBA legit threat. If they got two guys. Yeah. Right. So that so that's one thing if any of these two guys went somewhere Brooklyn, enter the next whatever, right? Sure. But I'm saying that it's just one guy to go. You do immediately. You have a chance to win a ring if you come to the Lakers, and you also get to live in LA like that. That's all there's there's stuff that's gonna buy. So let's at the. Ause button on this for a second. Steve Lavin is going to join us. And we'll talk about this UCLA job. So Mick Cronin. Is the guy Laven was the former coach I want to kind of pick his brain on Cronin. I I don't know that much about MC Cronin. I know a little bit about him. Steve knows everybody. So we'll talk to lavon stick around. We'll talk to him for a few minutes next.

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ESPNLA Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis HR 3

Mornings with Keyshawn, Jorge & LZ

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ESPNLA Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis HR 3

"The dangling. Wait into tonight. Now, did you like this version better than original? I dislike them, man. He just and you got I grew up. Both of them though. No. But this original. I mean, the first time we heard it. We were kids. We know he was talking about this and did a lot of stuff to this regrets. No. You know, I know that this is you know, what he talking about. Don't like exactly as a kid. But you didn't really know my mother Neal was in the kitchen cooking Virginia. Here. It was some strange people in my living room that I really did. No, look like they was halfway drunk. You know, when you grow up, you know, don't sit on the couch because it's plastic on top of their, you know, shag carpet polyester pants, like, that's that's you know, we didn't have the plastic the plastic did you have living room? Yeah. Of course, they had live. So. Ask him. I don't know what a living room without the plastic. Look same as yours. Just without the plastic. We'll see because they couches out every other year. The same couches. Did you have the little the runners little plastic one on the carpet? Oh, no. Do you know those are? Yeah. Okay. It gives you the couch. You would walk on the carpet's carpet. No, no. No, no shag carpeting, remember seeing plastic on the furniture in like a movie or TV show. And I'm remember statelet. Why what's going on over there? Preservation. Yeah. I guess I idea. Holy cow. I wonder what it's like, you know, what we actually had a couched. I don't know what the actually fabric feels like. Here's it. Did. It never come off. Never not even for Christmas. Oh, especially Christmas in it would have to crack. Turn yellow four to be removed. The plastic your whole couch, and you know, what else you got put plastic on. Sometimes Travis don't make that face keys. Headline. This morning is presented by sprint. Cocco doodle do. Yes. So the ball family had a little turbulence over the last couple of weeks. Weeks and from Lonzo ball deciding to part ways with their longtime partner to pardon ways with his agent finally assign with an eight China decided to sign with CA, which is a reputable agency for is one of the biggest four guy that has some international pop. I think that they could potentially help him and do a lot of good things for Lonzo sign with a after thinking about this decision over the last few weeks. I concluded the CIA made the most sense for my career both on and off the court. Lonzo said with CA now in place to manage the my basketball career, I could focus muscle attention on training and the upcoming season, which he's probably should've did that start with side with a big agency or an agency and stead of trying to create your own agency should assign with a big shoe company. Just like everybody else instead of trying this new idea in lose out on a ton of money. And I hear shoes are produced. They're not, you know, I'm still waiting. I wonder though, because I think I agree with you. But I still don't have a problem with the idea of it. The I know what they were doing K SPN, Los Angeles. It's the the idea I think was interesting and potentially a really good one. It's that they had people trying to execute their plan that had no idea what they were doing the same idea right now take it to one of the shoe companies in insert my idea into the overall back room what they do. And I'll get better results over. Sure. Hundreds. That's what I'm saying. But the wasn't a bad idea. The that they had first of all lavar is not an expert in that world that Allen foster guy. They brought in was not an expert Donut shop robbery right that they would miss you graze, high either to your point go to Nike or Under Armour or somebody was cut a deal. Let's do this. This is what I want to do. I'm going to under your roof. Yeah. But I want to do it like I want you to do sit. And I'm wondering one of your guys, that's a shoe expert, branding expert and marketing expert to help me with this. You wanted that was due to brand Jordan is what you wanna do. Yes. Jordan. Was unto Nike until it spun off on his own. And now, obviously the rest is history. You think that this is going to the way that this went for Lonzo? And I think I know the answer to this because Lonzo was not the first person to do this. But. The next guy that comes out that the big deal that hires somebody with no experience because it happens every once in a while that a guy it's an uncle, it's a friend. It's a friend of a friend it somebody that oh I'm going to use this guy because he's been with me for a long time. And I trust him. But they don't have any expertise in this. There's a reason that the same football agents get guys over and over and over again that CAA gets clients over and over and over again, it's because doing they know how to to live and breathe and maximize opportunities in this world or we still going to see guys hiring, friends and family. Yeah. You are. Having an agent an agency and being a part one. You certainly it has benefits. Okay. But it also has drawbacks as well. If you if you have somebody that can execute that know what they're doing. Then that's one thing view just trying to all of a sudden meet Travis and l z we can read roll it out. That's different. That's different as low as you have somebody in your camp. That knows what they're doing. Or at least is willing to learn from another expert like superior, Mike lebrons, guys. Yes. You know, you learn and you see in at that. Do fly yourself you can cut cut the cut the cut the cord and let me just go in. I think that's where where you start to see guys do that. Now, they just in my opinion watching it from the beginning to where it is the day. They had a lot going on too fast and short period of time, the balls. Yeah, they had too much going on you. You went from who. Travis who you you went from being a number one pick, you have shoot company to all of a sudden, you a rapper to a mobile TV with the with the reality show too. Have a half another. I'm gonna have another basketball league. And I'm starting. I mean, all this is within a twelve month. Calendar right. I mean, this is this refasten also well, dealing with health issues of the mom, so you have them trying to do all these things professionally while also having a personal scare it was it was a lot. But I think at the end of the day in what we're seeing from Lonzo is simply maturation and many of us assumed that he was just going to sign with clutch because. Once he left. Yeah. One hundred percents last week. We clutch Rick rich got this hand. But it appears as if he wants to he be in Lonzo just doesn't want to be fathered by anymore because there is a potential for a daddy. If you will by the Brown clutch now, he's like going. I'm just trying to car a reasonable path the reasonable way without someone lording over me, whether it be my father, whether it be LeBron I just wanna be my own person. And that's just maturation. Did you think that it did when all of this settles when there's no more lavar involved in his life? There's how is that possible? He's no I don't even like I'm talking about. Well, you know, they where there's shoe company where you're in Lithuania. Where there's the whole noisy part of lavar existence has been eliminated. But at least drastically reduced in lonzo's where Alonzo's with one of the most reputable talent agencies sports agencies that there is does this help him on the court. Does he become a better basketball player? Because all of the stuff. By professionals a lot of times it just in one's own life without sports when things settled down things small, you know, when when it's all rocky. It is crazy you got rash calling. You Chris sending bits and in L z weird things. Just. Would he be weird thing? We just look right in. So it can be a little bit of turbulence. But once it comes down. It's like autopilot when George was sitting in your seat. It was you know, we gotta deal with Chris arguing with him got to figure that out just a lot. Then when it settled down once you came it was like. We didn't know his name was into joys left. Enjoys nothing gone. So what's your name Horry? Oh, all right. I think that is what you go see with Lonzo everything settles down see a kind of has it under control on auto pilot. Now, I can concentrate on plan ball lifting weights gin, stronger, STAN healthy. So lonzo's are is it your al-matar. If you were there for six months, can you call it that or is it you have to graduate? That's a good question to graduate. No, you don't. Okay. So Lonzo moms if they did have to NFL wouldn't have. Oh, man, real tar bra. Let's not do this. We do roll call. You specialty not. Yes. You are a lot of those got degree. And it's not a lot some lot Nestle man when us on Sunday football, and they go Jacksonville high school. They mad at the university. Yes. That is how that started. The Bruins UCLA. They're looking for a head basketball coach there were trying to get Rick Barnes they pursued him aggressively. According to a report, they never has Tennessee talk to Rick Barnes. They they were five million a year reportedly that they were gonna pay. Rick Barnes to come. After mission in college. I don't know if you have to I think one of those courtesies they half to, but they didn't get him report is going to stay in Tennessee. They didn't get Barnes. They didn't get Jamie Dixon. They fired. Let me let me ask you to still. What why what's so sexy about Rick Barnes? I don't think there is. He says he was at the university of a lot of vets successful, Texas with TJ four didn't get anything out of that. He has he had Katie. Katie didn't get nothing Aldridge. Didn't get out of that. What's so special about until properties in nothing out on the markets all jobs either? Well, what's this is it he's at Tennessee in their win at a bunch of games. And there are a high seed in the NCAA tournament they went they went thirty one and six or something that a really good year. But see that's not sexy enough for me to give him five million dollars. And I got a guy like Earl Watson right down the street. Now, people will say or Watson doesn't have a degree. So he that's the reason UCLA hang up people are saying that. But it doesn't matter. You don't have to have a degree. Less. Just a rule. That's that's the NC two A put in each university. Do what the hell they want to do less the state of California, which of because it's UC school. I wanted to and I'm going off a memory here. When I was at Santa Barbara assistant coach was getting his masters degree because if he wanted to be a head coach in the UC system he had to have that. So maybe it's thing. Thing. Okay. Visit academic thing. I get it. But let's take the academic off the table. If is not an academic thing. And they don't in. And they don't hire this. Do they going back? They almost like US's football pro. Well, that's the way they look at right now, I'm glad you said that because they're the similarities are striking these are two prestige programs, USC football and UCLA basketball that always seem to have trouble filling that job with a big name. And I just wonder if the because we're LA guys because we grew up here. And we we know what SEI football means. You know, what UCLA basketball means us a certain way. But if you grew up somewhere outside of here, you look at the UCLA basketball. It's a difficult academic school. It's a conference that doesn't get a ton of attention for basketball. It's expensive to live. It's it's it's not you're not a big deal here. Look, if you're the head basketball coach in Bloomington, Indiana, your big deal, if you're the head basketball coach at UCLA your y handful of guys that has job here now now because they're not winning right? If they were to win. Into big deal here when he was here they were winning. But they what he ain't gonna hear right? Yeah. What was it? He went to the final four, but here's a actually three. But he's a guy that would have been a big deal here if Steve Laven have got it going. He could have been a big deal because he got behold hash, Pat, right? Where's a suit people? Be like, oh, yeah. It's a big deal. And they would be rolling when you wrote go into the finals or going to the postseason is not 'Significant is when you roll it like Duke and Kentucky in in. When Louisville was crack that's rolling with Florida with that's rolling. That means that the team is just doing their deal in. If you sell it basketball ever gets back to that. Then you the head coach. Then you go reap the benefits just like p Carol deal with our football. I think the job what you said is. Exactly, right. I think it could happen with second-day start rolling again. He's a big deal. I don't think college basketball has that zip the way that it used to even all of a sudden UCLA became a perennial. Final four partic-. Happen. You gotta jump over Sean McVeigh who's ever coaching the Lakers who's ever the head football coach at USC. But you also the dodgers you've got you've got so many things here that UCLA UCLA pass the twelfth fourteenth twentieth. Most important sport in this town. Remember, remember UCLA basketball has a following in southern California. And most of them are dead or dying because that's the only people that remained. Way to Roger glowing. Aaron Rodgers responded to being called a bad leader in a bad team here what he said next. Hey, hey, that's the number eight seed Johanna Laterano going up against a mean said in our fierce for you're going down drop. My people have spoken so out of the gate. We haven't seen a route like this in our entire competition and showed us sixty three percent Ameen said thirty seven percent vote. Now at ESPN, Los Angeles runaway and whoever wins this battle. We'll have to face most likely. It was something ma- major changes the overall one seed boils e took down. Amen. My boy Elsie this morning. Duet with Pedro or I mean says my solo act regardless that has hobbled no. No. If you Shona though. People have spoken. Watch takedown who made me they made me an honorary blacks can I get to go to yet is not. Homecourt advantage though. It's like playing that Denver. Muchness? True, though, what altitude stuff of endeavor everybody saying that when they play true? Tom Jackson told me nobody's complaining when it was beaten aheads of the Broncos and fall in many years. To his Broncos star winning. Everybody could play out. Dude is not as substitute more talent. But you go. Me Nell has any SPN front office insider joining us here. We're talking about Lonzo that he signed up with CAA. Do you think that we'll see a different basketball player now that his life off the court is a little more settled? No that ain't. Like first of all, he's a good basketball player. Second of all his biggest problem has been basketball. Even the stuff that's off the court. It's health. What he's he's not a healthy player like that. That's that's what it is. You look at two seasons. Ki L A. You got this number to stop your head. How many games Tuesay's hang out all the time? I don't know. He hasn't. I don't think he's played a complete season. The two seasons really think you're not sure. Ninety nine. His thank Travis. I should I. Right here. I should just ask Travis because he should know that had a number two hit roundabout number who had the number last week when when nobody else's here when it was just me you and one of the cabinets van was ninety nine. I was like, oh, that's why I went to l z research, but I wanted to big things for me in him being able to go in sign with another agency that's already in place that is the wheels on auto pilot. They know what they're doing as far as that. It just takes it calms everything down. He doesn't have that stress level of worrying about his father doing some his little brother's doing. He doesn't have to worry that you think all of a sudden those guys disappear. No, no, no, what they they don't disappear, but it's managed differently is under control oppose all scrambled eggs, everything all over the place if the phone rings, you know, the call is going this way, it ain't going daddy going to get back to him in three weeks. You'll you understand what I'm saying. I just calms things down. I just feel like that's not the contributor. Why has basketball career biz play not the other stuff, but he's play and of that play tights his hell, of course. And of course, and that's about it. It's going make things easier for his business. Let me let me ask you, something Mr. basketball person. So while it's true that he's with C A in terms of the overall agency to specific basketball persons, Paul George de ngelo, Russell airmen's. Yes. Julius randle. Okay. Julius randle. No longer. Laker Paul, George take a meeting, and it always de ngelo was jettison was say wasn't a leader. Right. Lonzo signing CA is that a just a coincidence that animates airmen's happens to be the person connected. These three players or is. Or is Lonzo being preparing himself to be traded? And with the other three Lakers. No longer. Laker fertile Ehrman says. Divers acccess agent. Say wasn't. I'm just saying like you're asking why. Why would you saw this installation? Oh, you're trying to trade it like, no. It's just like I did that if I sound Rich Paul. I mean, somehow we'll play LeBron. Well, that's a conversation. That's legit though. But if what players. Depends on what play things like these. These guys are successful agents. That's why people signed with. No, I understand that part. But you can't ignore the narrative of the connection or the Kalinka. There's going to be there's going to be that connection for me and area to see a is with the Lakers is that his relationship with the Lakers. Not it's not a good one. Not a great relationship. That's but if a player is going to allow an agent to dictate where he should play in his career and his happiness, then he had Dan food, y'all. Yellow missing the most important question did airman still, lavar. Yeah. Could get all three boys on the same roster. And with the other guys actually be good. You just say, he's a smart man in Asia way. Hey, look, if the only way sinus Klein about saying this stupid thing. You said it. Sure, he knows the middle. Boy can't play into me. He knows knows that where's he plan? Anyways, delete. He he's no one's like fashion. Shoot guy. A little sun at in the big baller brand league. Or whatever. He was playing inspired academy. That's right actually plan in high school. The high school that allowed him to play and then have problems eligibility. But I'm saying he doing academy like the military academies. So he's playing prep school. So he's playing basketball. I mean, what does it mean that? Kyrie Irving might may take Laker meeting. This summer. Does that mean that he has been setting this whole thing of going all the way back to I didn't handle the bronze leadership? Well, does it all go back to that? I think he's a dude that from day to day changes his mind a lot based on his based on his outfield. Right. He's a very emotional God. And so I don't think he's made a decision as far as where he's going to. Go pee a lot of people. Look Durant going to New York Balan that one's happening. But kyri my go to New York he might go to LA. He might stay in Boston. If they trade for Anthony Davis. I think he'll stay in Boston. So all depends. But you know, he's probably going to be the tipping point this off season. As to where this free agency thing goes where he goes is going to dictate a lot of other stuff really because he's he's the one who's got who's probably the most open minded to different situations. Like, we know Kweisi the Toronto clippers we know that do Durant going in New York. We know Claes stain Durant's that much of a done deal. He's going to New York where? Just done. They're measuring drapes. And oh, this one has a great view. ESPN seven Terry. Durant is a dead. You can't hurt Vosa would've just sign language. Hands move and you'll see it on on social later that camera rolling, right? All right. So back to Cairo first second, and whether or not he changes his mind a lot. But if he decides to come here to LA is a good deal for the Lakers. We'll get into that. With the mean that's coming up next. I'm getting ready to eat my lunch here in a little bit courtesy of fitness kitchen. L A dot com. You gotta go. Check it out for yourself right now, again, fitness kitchen dot com, go on there and look at the menu right now. And you tell me if that looks like food that you wouldn't want eat, no matter what you like they have it there. There's chicken there's beef. There's fish. There's fish tacos there's vegetables, there's others fresh fruit. There's oatmeal there's all this wonderful food, and it's the right amount. It's the right portions, it's the right fat carbs all that stuff. So the weight starts to come off been on it shoot going on three months right now. The way continues to come off. Go look at it for yourself, fitness kitchen, LA dot com. 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He was the serial killer line kill dark with you. Travis. This group that was pink. No, not this group. The group that on the biggest group in the world is a k pod group. I have some weird initials. K BTS BTF's e. Talking about all while we're on the topic of off topic kind of stuff L Zia's watching a documentary on Netflix. It was it's about people of loss on big stages in sports, one of them was about this figure skater was French. But she was blacked. Her name was Syria. Have you ever heard of Syria, Syria? S you are white. I have not oh, I would've thought this is right abilities figure skating. I'm was oh. You had a figure skate now feel like a tiger. That was not a kid. I l z is an expert on all the alternative sports. Clean win we stopped for that. Joan. No, we could've kept going where we had going on over here figure skating outfit. That's offensive. Okay. He did have a cat. I don't mean it offensive as in like stairs thought of you and extend that. Of it is a black. No, ocoee. It was a onesie. What's the difference? One tight ones these children. No, not for children. Yeah. They are not if they make adult sizes and laze they'll size diverse too. Exactly. That's not just what dressed up like a tiger wherever you are. All right. Let's go. Let's go back to your second. All right. Hold on. In the middle of the day middle of the week not on the weekend doing holiday time. He was thirsty Thursdays. It wasn't even Halloween knows like Wednesday at two. This is what we do. However, we wrote as that's highly sensitive acquit over there, crystal tackle down just to show me a picture that I don't even want. See you don't. I went to one part of the mass to you. Stick to sports. Let's sports. Let's just the camera because the camera now not even looking at it. So hold on. So tricky camera. So you look at sports you think they don't wear cats. They're all wearing catsuits. What are you talking? Serena. Where's the cats who weren't catsuit lesser? Well, I mean. So let's talk about Kyrie Irving guys. Not seeing it. Yes. A means. You actually is exactly the same reaction that I have when I see those pictures, which is kind of just sad resume looks real freaky tales furry. I have like five different ones. I can't believe the question is even more accurate now you'll furry. I have Darth Mehta one never tied. I want. I wore the Grinch to one of our events. Yeah. You and I walked through the middle of LA live together while you were in your Grinch onesie, and it got some looks. Guess I forgot I was wearing to what y'all looking at. And I say to me. Me. See that guy. Looked at me. I'm like yells every is looking at you wrench onesie with Christmas, at least sort of. The twentieth member. A lot of weird stuff. That's all I can tell you is important to take one so serious. I'm gonna try one more time. I take what I do seriously. Irving if the Lakers get it done, if they get the meeting they sell him on L A going, and partnering up LeBron again is that a win for the Lakers is that the the second guy that they need to make this thing work. It's a win for the Lakers. And more importantly, I think it's a good fit, right? Because I was talking about this on Sirius XM radio yesterday plugging because I'm on that show channel eighty six Geno eighty six. Yeah. Yeah. Serious tool. Seven. You got seven hundred listeners is that what you got, bro. My listeners paid listen to me. Hey money per month to listen to me, Stephen over here. Need to understand who you're talking to deal? Learn who your. Learn who you're dealing with. That would do Keiser death and say nothing just cost talknet. We bring it back. I see the proof of purchase was still a hair. It was tag was still on it. You wouldn't even take this out of plastic? Do you have any idea? We're now Stephen went off on one of the dudes. I take awhile ago, the do that you could probably figure out. On learning sports game. Wanna see his name just load sports? And what he said it was like complete side is because it was a recognition that. Yeah. Would never go say that to you because we never use. Just now learning sports have been exactly for long Rackham. Raca guy. So, but as I was saying. Kyri? Yes. So the pressure that the Lakers and the Knicks have in their markets is they can only just sign make a good signing. They have to make splashy signing. You got all this cast mates to get Chris Middleton to get like one of these days, people will roast the Lakers in the Knicks mercilessly. The nets in the clippers have the advantage of yet. It will be nice when these tier one free agents. But if we don't we can still spend our money wisely breaking up over here a little bit there. And you had a good free free agency could all season cool. We can continue to build our team intelligently. Right. So for the Lakers like there's a pressure that it's gotta be splashy. But being splashy don't always mean us, the best move for you in this case, I think Kyrie Irving is a great fit. That's the most future though. Right. What about the future? What about what about post LeBron post LeBron when LeBron is finally done being the alpha? Oh or LeBron just done playing basketball as kyri the guy that can be the best player on that team moving forward. We'll do that next. Phase. Man back when babies be made man that jagged edge or be groups were thing when the scene we've lost our be group. Yeah. We've lost everyone wearing the same leather outfits. Same outfits pass shoes. Jackie had. It was always one. What a hat everybody hasn't glasses. Then it was the do with a Birch they had a few little muscles. But the. Oh. It was always like the dark and one light skin won the lice Narco sane. He didn't he was as I can't. I can't the dog skin one. Either was the main thing or the second guy that does. So formula, God didn't know that. There were all the same. Oh, it it was always fortify their saying. And it was always couple light is really dark. Do shaved. He base goatee your some. Yeah. To and he had to voice, you know, you come in. Right. Doing course line. You might say everything will be all right. Don't work off. In the video Travis at some point, it has to rain. It has it has to rain on them. And they never get wet. Top is always a car, a nice convertible. All right. There's always somebody on the wall. Dancing on the wall on the roof or something along those is always. And the girl was always looking at some kind of window always. With the waters. In a car in her apartment, but she always got a window thinking always sitting on the couch. So where like you say look it out. With her. Misery and sadness. While he's saying a homegirl that now. There's another variation. This is the one where she's sitting shotgun in a car in by another man. Clearly, she's not hash. He's not have this, man. And while the singer singing about like me, and you together again or together, you know, he doesn't love you always you had two girlfriends they was all hunting around card night into the waiting on the phone, call to come home. He hasn't picked up yet because he's off doing nails. Yeah. He's got to get to the rainstorm. Always arm stretch shirt open. Is a great detail. Do the shirt over devil's always burcin were watching different TV. Because you go in the. Waivers of that. Like, the backstreet boys. Same thing. The same thing though. Well, it wasn't a to say. So key asked you the question. I mean about the future, and if the Lakers get Kyrie, and they put the LeBron in Cairo together again that in the now it works like you said, it's a good fit. It's a good fit for the Lakers. It's a win for the Lakers. But let's assume that LeBron fish is this contract with the Lakers. And then he's done. Right. So he's got three more seasons with the Lakers at that point is kyri ready to step in and be the best player on a team that can compete at a high level or do they have to go out and replace LeBron and Kyrie still the the second guy right now. He's the best player on the team. That's ready to compete right right now. He is right now the question is four years from now. I don't know. But then again, all the names we're talking about our guys who drafted in two thousand eleven or two thousand and twelve right? Like, there's no two thousand fifteen dude that were rumored to get like, it's these guys are on the scene age group. So the question is valid but all of them, but but with that age also. For me as general manager also becomes health. Sure health has been problematic let alaso years so you can only imagine where tier three years from now. Right where we're gonna be out with that. We didn't ask any questions. Anthony davis. Same condition thing same age and also worse injury history than than Cari. No, you'll think so I don't think Anthony Davis worst, dude. If you sneeze he out for thirty five games. How many seas think carries place seventy games? How many Davis way seventy games, right? Right. Is there by Davis health history? So let's say that the kyri thing is it kyri. And then you're just done. There's nothing else that you do as a Laker. Or is it kyri and? Oh. And by the way, it's always going to be other things it it doesn't the other junk though, because you know. Larry. Or is it a big guy? It's it's probably you have the opportunity to go trail. Yeah. I heard you have the opportunity to trade for another one of those guys. You can have three monitors. Yeah. I thought the Lakers going they can sign one, and then they can still autumn other deal. So we can package up Qasimi. We could still get a D And Kyrie. Theoretically. Yes. Well, we don't have to send we send these young guys down in New Orleans in order to even be able to do it. If if they even get to their conversations, so they're all kind of things that can get done will they get done. I don't know probably not. But realistically, even if you did do that the work doesn't stop you gotta keep finding value signings. And not just do that once time. We're good. Oh, yeah. Let's try him. Now, I'm talking about finding those dudes that will eventually turn into free agents that you can't keep you find a guy who plays. So well, he gets signed for big money somewhere else. Guess what mission accomplished? You did the right thing. You just got to keep doing that over and over again chance your question. Anthony Davis has been healthier how many games as he played versus how many games should to have been available for. So the only season which he's played within the fifties was this season, which we can all say base was held out in the fifties. Kyrie Irving has three seasons in his fifties. Let me see that. Algae the source. I'm looking at and year. Okay. Sixty out of eighty to sixty six out of eighty to sixty eight out of eighty to sixty one out of eighty two original question was how many seventy game season he has to be have Z number two two. Okay. When we talk about we talking about the fact that the rest of our in a fifty. My point is this my point is and we're not talking about big, knee surgeries and all that stuff. Now. He's he's a guy who has a right say, no. No, see. I'm right point is if we're going to ask you about Irene these same questions apply. I know Anthony Davis is better than Kyrie. I'd rather franchise entities. Okay. I'm just saying if you say, hey, man, this guy that we signed the summer is you're going to be the elite, but a time lebrons on playing. I don't know. But the question is pretty vast two seasons in which which anti-daewoo has been played in has been seventies. This would have been seventies. If he wasn't killed Irving on the hand coming off back to back fifty gains, another in another reason that you say why why would I say about Kyrie, but not about AD much like you just see a one is better than better than. I'm not this franchise changing of the guard type player were kyri is not kyri a all-star type all that stuff. But he's not he's not going to change the fortunes to me of your French. I think he got to have some other around. I think he will just think you're right in that not as much as other not as much but not as much as him not as much as a choi- who also by the way, health concerns is something for him. Hill casare seem like it's fake to me what his health issues that he had a year ago. He was hurt. He was he got healthy in any decide to say, man. I what kind of what kind of what I thought about. It says he's hurt him. I just believe he's I want to go back to some. You're saying about the you've done a good job if you're signing guys who all of a sudden somebody else in the league comes and offers big money because they performed at a level that is above and beyond or the Lakers. Had they shown you anything to lead you to believe that they're capable of identifying those guys because the clippers have done that have been really good at doing that of the Lakers. Do they have the guys that are making those decisions Robin magic have they demonstrated. That are good at what you described. Well, I think a lot of those examples come from before this year. I don't know what they're thinking this year going on and get the expendable, but like before this year. Yeah. Julius. We also Jewish very that's the one of the funniest things. If you owe see Julius Randle left, and all of a sudden, he's good. He was. Good lash. Groom. Everyone's talking about men. I wish there was a way they could keep them still go out and right big money free agents, or whatever. So they couldn't they couldn't Julius Randle. I think when you look at Josh heart. He's played very well. I think if each zoo botch, he was really good, and theoretically should have been one of those guys. But from whatever reason they traded him at still. Fis does. So so cameras, Alex Caruso. I think he's I mean, I I know it always comes at the end of the year. I've been trying to. Hold on. He I'm not. I'm not saying this is going to be a star. I'm just saying you watch him play. Are you saying, oh, he ain't an NBA player? Under ingram. He could give other Ingle. As you Andre Ingram. Now look line a little bit better. Now. Dreaming a little better come on as better. Saying he's not a guy. We let see what you wanted to OSCE while you into jelly. You look 'em men. Do nothing. Cool. He should he should be one of to ten eleven twelve on the rest of exactly what. So for me like it's finding guys like that. Like you could play Olympics. You could play Alex Crusoe as a rotation player on a good team. And you wouldn't be like, oh he's getting killed every night. He would hold his. I don't know if he getting killed every night because he hasn't played every night. So I don't know. I this small this little two week window. I'm not physically, but he's on the case. On the last year. He a lot last year. And all right Virginia won the national championship. According to one. Story ever in college basketball. I you'll hear it next.

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You can do the whole thing on your phone right now politics genius to easy way to compare and buy life insurance. This past week of federal judge struck down the president's latest immigration order. It's been a chaotic two years on the border as the administration imposed barriers with little consideration of their legality or consequences, the 2017 ban on travelers for Muslim countries was so abrupt it's surprise the officers who had to enforce it before the midterm elections. President Trump ordered thousands of troops to Texas to stop what e- called and assault by a caravan of central Americans that caravan is now at the border of California, but the most tumultuous order evolved was this summer separation of children from their parents, which Mr. Trump had to quickly withdraw our investigation has found that the separation of families began far earlier and detained many more children than the administration has admitted. This is a department of homeland security arrest warrant issued during the child separations last spring the target of the arrest. Is a three year old named Emmers? But. Tell me about the moment that Emmers was taken away from you, you know, up in his father ever told us. I never thought that they would separate him from me. But an immigration agent said you're going to be separated your son is going to be taken away. And then a judge will decide what will be done with you on. Feet. Emerson his father crossed the border illegally but presented themselves to the border patrol and requested asylum. Looking ever the father says he was shot in the back in Honduras, a country at war with gangs and drug cartels as a Silom applicants there permitted by law to stay until their hearing usually in two or three months before most asylum seekers were released at that point. But under the Trump administration they were arrested and charged with a crime because children can't be incarcerated Emmers was sent to a foster family in Michigan. If you're going to separate families in the pursuit of an immigration policy. It was irresponsible to push them on top of a system that wasn't prepared on the back end to allow the families to be reconciled later, Scott shoe cart was surprised by the new policy even though he worked at homeland security headquarters. At the office of civil rights and civil liberties, and he told us the order was so abrupt it bypassed, the usual review if they had come to you. What would your office have said we would have had advice on the way that needed to be done on the record keeping that needed to be done and our advice on that wasn't sought out. And when we tried to provide it was ignored. What do you mean by recordkeeping making sure that we knew where everybody was at all times. So that they could be put into contact and reunited later people were removed to other countries without there being good records of what adult went with what child. That's what we found in this homeland security internal investigation. It says one border station made no effort to identify and reunite families prior to their removal from the United States. The DHS inspector general says the agency was not fully prepared and struggled to provide accurate complete reliable data on family separations. The report found that incompatible computer systems erase data that connected children with their families. I don't know what part of your soul has to be missing to say, we'll take an infant from its mother with no provision about how they will ever get back together. Again, they might never see each other. Again, she'll she'll you moan ios handled immigration in the Obama administration as the director of the domestic policy council. She says that even though apprehensions at the border have been trending down for a decade, many administrations struggle with the patchwork of US. Laws that require border security and protection of asylum-seekers, you know, better than most that there are people watching this interview who are saying they shouldn't have come. We have a broken immigration system. I've been working on this in this policy area for thirty years. I'll be the first to say we have a broken immigration system. The question is what we do about that. And we lack the political will to fix it. And we will continue to create crises crises of our own making until we fix it. And. At some level. That's on us. We live in a democracy. We all know everybody who no matter how you feel about immigrants including the people who don't like immigrants. We all agree. This thing is broken. If when the Trump administration made the decision to separate children from families, what responsibilities did they take on in your estimation? They issued an order without consulting with the agencies who were responsible for carrying out that order we take better care of people's effects when we send them to jail than we took care of the children who retook from their parents. And that's because these decisions were clearly made at the top and push down to the agencies without thinking through the ramifications and without thinking through the potential harm. I was having trouble sleeping at night, psychiatrist, Dr pan, McPherson and internist Dr Scott Allen, we're also caught off guard they to worked for homeland security inspecting government detention facilities. They were already concerned about. The poor quality of healthcare for a limited number of children in custody before the new order. There was a episode where children in a mass immunization program where immunized with the wrong dose adult those instead of child does because the providers at the facility weren't used to working with children and didn't recognize very common color coding that would denote adult versus pediatric back scenes. They'd been writing reports of four pediatric care in federal custody for four years when they heard that thousands more children were going to be cared for by the government. Some of them intensities. This is what caused us. Great concern with the disclosures that this policy was going to be ramped up in rapidly expanded. We understood that that action would create an imminent threat to the harm and safety of children, Dr McPherson, what were your concerns in the mental health field? I had concerns about the trauma that. The children could experience about the cumulative traumatic stress that can lead children to have delays and developmental milestones. Difficulties. With their memory are thinking later difficulties forming relationships and regulating their emotions three-year-old Emmers the boy with the arrest warrant was placed by the government with a foster family in Michigan for seventy three days. This was his reunion with his mother. She's saying, I'm your mother, Honey, what is wrong with my son. Doc in Minya meal. See, nope. Get both throw in an interview. Gladys told us it felt like he wasn't my son anymore. It felt like a nightmare. Like, I was dead. She says since detention Emmers has been withdrawn and moody and from that day until today she said it's been very difficult to deal with him. When a child looks to their parent for comfort, and the parents, not there the child quits looking for comfort once the child 'attaches, they can have lifelong difficulties forming relationships father told us he was separated from his son without notice after a court hearing, he went straight to detention without seeing his son to say goodbye homeland security's inspector general found parents often did not understand their children would be separated, and they would be unable to communicate with their children after separation. It became such a horrific scene that they started telling the parents, oh, your child is going to take a shower or just going to get some medical treatment. And then the pair would never see the child again lead. Learn is an attorney with the American Civil Liberties union in July, he convinced a federal judge to order the reunification of the children. But when the government realized it lost track of many of the parents, the Trump administration told the court, reuniting the families was the us problem. The government took these children away from their parents, and then deported hundreds and hundreds of the parents without the children. The judge said these parents need to be with their children and the government said while if you wanna find the parents, we don't know where they are that the ACLU look for them. This is the homeland security order to arrest and detain all adults who crossed illegally to seek asylum. The copy released to the public was censored by the administration, but we've obtained what the White House didn't want the public to see the document reveals that child separation began nine months earlier than the administration acknowledged there was a pilot program in the busy El Paso sector from July to November twenty seventeen. We don't know how many. Children were taken in those five months. The censored part of the memo explains a reason for the policy deterrence as it will have the greatest impact on current flows of immigrants, but Cecilia Moneo says the Obama administration found that deterrent messages failed to turn back immigrants, and the reason for that is if your child was told today by the gangs, your life isn't risk unless you start running drugs for us. You're thinking much more about their safety today and tomorrow than you're thinking about what's going to happen. Once we get to our destination. We're not going to let the country the overwhelm security was stated reason for the policy change one top White House official called immigration and existential threat to America. But homeland security's inspector general found the chaotic implementation of the policy undermined law enforcement. The report says instead of patrolling and securing the border officers had to supervise and take care of children, and those officers weren't prepared for their new role, according to Scott shoe cart who recently left homeland security. I can't believe that we sent border patrol agents out to take people's children from them without training on the appropriate and humane way to do that. It was just the machine moving forward with enforcement without an appropriate consideration of how it affected all of the people involved. You quit your job at homeland security. I wonder why I had taken an oath to uphold the constitution we were being asked as a department to do something that violated, the civil rights and civil liberties of persons, and my office was being frozen out of. That process. There wasn't a job responsibly for me to do. No Emmers who was taken from his family for seventy three days was reunited with his parents after the port order, an immigration judge ruled that Emmers father does have a well-founded fear of returning to Honduras and his asylum claim is being considered I didn't like the site. What a feeling of families being separated? No senior official would speak to us for the story. But President Trump ended his separation policy after eleven weeks. The White House says more than twenty six hundred children were detained but reports from various agencies show that at least five thousand children have been held since Mr. Trump's inauguration. The White House says only twenty five remained to be reunited with their families. But given the bungled record keeping and no public accounting of the mysterious El Paso pilot program. There may never be an accurate count of how many children were taken from their parents. 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We'll do more get it. Now, an apple podcast radio dot com or wherever you get your shows. Within seven years have passed since a monster earthquake, and so NAMI struck northeast, Japan and triggered what became after noble. The worst nuclear disaster in history at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant when three of its six reactors melted down hot fuel turn to molten lava and burn through steel, walls and concrete floors to this day. No, one knows exactly where inside the reactor buildings the fuel is and it is so deadly. No human can go inside to look for it. So the Japanese company that owns the crippled plant has turned to robots. Former good robots robots climb stairs and even robots that can swim into reactors flooded with water there equipped with three d scanners sensors and cameras that map the terrain measure radiation levels and look for the missing fuel. This is part of a massive cleaner. It's expected to cost nearly two hundred billion dollars and take decades has anything like this cleanup in terms of the scope ever happened before. No, this is unique situation here this never happened in human history. It's a challenge that we've never had before rake. Barrett is a nuclear engineer and former department of energy official who oversaw the cleanup of the worst nuclear accident in newest history Three Mile Island. He was hired as a senior adviser by TEPCO. The Tokyo Electric Power company that owns the plant and is in charge of the effort to find the missing fewer. He's also advising on the development of new robot like the six legged spider robot that engineers designing hang from scaffolding and climb onto equipment. He describes them. As very Vance working robots that will actually be the ones with long muscular arms laser cutters, and such that will go in and actually. Take the molten fuel and put it in an engineer canister and retrieve it should we think of this as a project like sending someone to the moon. It's even a bigger project in my view. But there's a will here to clean this up as there was a will to put a man on the moon, and these engineering tasks can be done successful. Why not just bury this place? Why not do what they did at Chernobyl? Just cover it up bury it and just leave it here. All in you know, in enclosed number one. This is right next to the sea. We're one hundred yards from the ocean. We have typhoons here in Japan. This is also a high quake zone, and it's going to be huge earthquake. So these are unknowns that the Japanese and no one wants to deal. Earthquake that caused the meltdown measured nine point the most powerful ever recorded in Japan. Triggered a series of some NAMI waves that swept away cars houses and entire towns killing than fifteen thousand people. Fukushima Daiichi the enormous waves washed over the plant letting the reactors and knocking out power to the cooling pumps that had kept the reactor cores from overheating lake Barrett. Took us to a hill. Overlooking the reactors where the radiation levels are still relatively high. So this is actually right where it all happened, the heart of the disaster right here breath as reactor number one reacting to react to number three. And when the earthquake happened one hundred miles away these buildings all shook in this Howard's all show. But the design was such that they were they were safe, but Forty-five minutes later ways were racing in salami waves from the earthquake and there were seven waves the came in at forty five feet hot. Then put the station and what we call station. Blackout. They had no power and the chorus got hotter. Inside and hotter and hotter again until dinner. Radium started to melt comedy tons of radioactive waste was developed here. Probably five hundred thousand tonnes each built how long will it be lethal? I will be lethal thousands of years. What we're talking about really is three meltdowns. Yes. It was truly hell on earth the meltdowns triggered huge explosions. It sent plumes of radioactive debris into the atmosphere forcing the evacuation of everyone within a twelve mile radius about one hundred sixty thousand people in all. Weeks later. Tepco officials engaged in so-called kowtow diplomacy. Discuss townspeople to be raped them as they prostrate themselves in a politician. Housands of workers were sent to the countryside to decontaminate everything touched by radiation, including digging up dirt and putting it in beds. Lots of. But while much of the evacuation zone has been decontaminated. There is still entire neighborhoods. That are like ghost towns silent and lifeless with radiation levels that we mean to high at the plant, they're capturing contaminated ground water about one hundred fifty tonnes of day and storing it in tanks as far as I can see water is always the major challenge. And it's a major challenge until the entire cores remove the closer workers get to the reactors the more protective gear they have to wear as we discovered were zipped into Thai Vic coveralls and made to wear two pairs of socks and three pairs of gloves tape, not an inch of skin was exposed the layers of protection include a mask, so little news. That often fogged up. Antidote similar to register the amount of radiation. We'd be exposed to. We were ready for battle. We went with a team of TEPCO workers to unit. Three one of the reactors that melted down on that March day seven years ago that the Japanese call simply three eleven. A ause in third watch it step. These are still plates because there's says in the ground in the years since the accident much of the damage to the building has been repaired. But it's still dangerous to spend a lot of time. Here we could stay only fifteen minutes. There's this number. I'd been seeing five six six that's telling you the radiation level that we're in that's fairly high here. That's why we're going to be your short time. How close are you an I right this minute to the core. The melted cores are about seven to eight that Leith from here is the melted core that's right over here. We don't know quite where other than fell down into the floor. So if you sent a worker in right now to find it how long would they survive? No one is going to send a worker in there because they'd be overexposed than just a matter of seconds. Enter the robots. This is the robot research. Mrs Baud, Motorola technology in two thousand sixteen the Japanese government opened this hundred million dollar research center near the plant a new generation of robots being developed by teams of engineers and scientists from the nation's top universities and tech companies. Dr Kuniaki Kawabata is the centre's principal researcher this new wobbles J. So number eleven m what it's it's an obstacle course. Yes. Bell thirty. That's used camera image in front of the, but it's also Minia was to train because it looks busy. But it's quite difficulty. They also train here in this virtual reality room with three D data taken inside the reactors by the robot is projected onto the screen operators using special glasses can go where no. Humans can too. We're actually walking through a part of the actor do feel somewhat mossy expedience is if you're in there. Yes, I actually want a duck. I mean, that's how real it feels to me like here. We're going under this thing. I have to duck. Yes. But even with all the high tech training and know-how the web I have run into problems for the early models. It was the intense levels of radiation that fried their electron IX and cameras their lifetime was ours. We'd hoped it would be days, but it was for hours. Tell us what happened to the robot named scorpion says a highly sophisticated, and I gather everybody thought this was the answer that was gonna be the first robot. We're going to put inside the containment Nestle, which is where we need the information the most that's where the court is. This is scorpion. Whose mission cost estimated hundred million dollars? It was designed to flatten out and slither through narrow pipes and passageways on its way to the core. And like a scorpion it raises its tail the tail would come up with a camera on top with Waitz because you have to have its own lights. It's all dark inside there. No regular lights. So that was the plan and we had expectations and hope for that. We all took a year prepared, and it was hard work. But when scorpion one inside it hit some debris and got stuck after travelling less than ten feet. I can't imagine the frustration limb levels. Well, but you learn more from from failure sometimes than you do from success. They had more success with this robot named little sunfish which was designed to swim inside one of the reactors flooded with water in preparing for little sunfish is mission. Engineers spent months doing test run. Guns inside this enormous simulation tank fine tuning the propellers cameras sensors and sixty five yards of electric cable, all built to withstand intense levels of radiation. They use nuclear reactor number five to help plan the mission it didn't meltdown when the soon NAMI hit and is nearly identical to the one little sunfish would scout. Finally last year the swimming robot made its foray into the heart of the reactor to look for the missing fuel Barrett. Took us into unit five to show us how it maneuver through the labyrinth of pipes and debris inside the reactor. The little sunfish came down on the edge. Swam underwater down through this little entryway here underneath the reactive. Is this the wrote that the little sunfish took? Yes. This is the little sunfish swam through this portal down at the area. It went around the side that went down through this grid, which was gone. We're standing directly underneath the reactor vessel Moee feel came through here and jetted out under very high pressure. And then it came out slowly like Laven of kaneohe, and it fell down and burned. It's way through this gradient down to the floor. This is what little sunfish saw as technicians guided it through the pipes and hatch ways of the flooded interior, it beamed back images revealing clumps of debris fuel rods have destroyed a Queant. And murky glimpses of what looks like solidified lava the first signs TEPCO officials say of the missing fuel. These robotic step so far have been significant steps, but it is only a small step on a very very long journey. And this is gonna take you said decades or the s how many decades we don't know for sure the goal here is forty thirty forty years. You know, I personally maybe fifty sixty but oh maybe longer maybe longer, but we -ality is this is a challenge that's never been dealt with before. But every step is a positive that. You learn from that. And you go forward to another step. When Harper Lee wrote to kill a Mockingbird fifty eight years ago in the early years of the civil rights movement. It struck a nerve in the country that remains sore today. The book is sold forty million copies spawned the classic movie in was recently voted America's most loved novel. It's about a small town warrior named Atticus Finch who was called upon to defend an innocent black man accused of raping a young white woman in rural Alabama during the nineteen thirties. And it raises issues that are still in the news every week on December thirteenth the curtain will go up on an ambitious the Atra adaptation involving some of the most talented people on Broadway is producing a lot of excitement and -ticipant in New York and even a bit of anxiety in the people who have accepted the challenge of doing it. The table is set. Now, the play is in previews awaiting the culmination of a process that began two months ago there. Anya win. The in crew arrived for the first day of rehearsals, some of the new each other from workshops and read throughs that began a year ago. But it was the first time they have been together in the same room. Mega producer, Scott Rudin. Tony award winning director Bartlett sheer for leading man, Jeff Daniels supporting cast of some of the best actors on Broadway in the same lifeboat. Yes. Because Fitch there was a lot to do is. They began working on version. Twenty two of Aaron Sorkin to kill a mocking bird short. Probably the most famous bankable script writer in America as an Oscar and Emmys with credits like the social network money bowl, the west wing in the newsroom his career began on Broadway thirty years ago with a few good men, and he was approved by Harper Lee before her death three years ago to do the Broadway adaptation, I remember what I was thinking which was simultaneously. This is going to be incredibly exciting. I get to play again, I get to be involved with this material, and I'm never gonna make it out of this alive. Really? Yeah. The book is revered, and what could I possibly do? But screw it up. Have you screwed it up? I don't think I have. I think I think I did get out of it alive. That turns out to be true. It will not have been easy. It's impossible to turn a book into a movie or play without altering the material in making changes to a masterpiece is always risky business. There is no avenger in the play that doesn't occur in the book. I I haven't added new things, but those events are simply were taking another look at them. It's going to be a new look at familiar material. It's going to be an exhilarating night in theater, the men responsible for lifting Sorkin 's words off the page and onto the stage is Bart sheer. Maybe the hottest director on Broadway right now. Shear creates the machine that operates the play and is the company's conductor choreographer and coach I'm interpreting I'm drawing conclusions. I'm building a world, which is going to make this language live. What's the biggest challenge at this production? The challenges expectations the challenges swimming into the national memory between people who have deep memory of the book people who love the film, and people are gonna come into theater and see it now how to connect all of those different perspectives. The defendant is not guilty. But somebody in this courtroom is the strongest Mockingbird memory swimming around in the national consciousness is not of Atticus Finch one of the most indelible characters in American literature in seared into our minds with the Academy Award winning performance of Gregory Peck in the nineteen sixty to fill our courts. Oh. Aged equal Tom Robison. Yes, I'm Atticus Finch only one actor was ever considered for the Broadway rule, both Aaron Sorkin and producer Scott Rudin wanna Jeff Daniels. Did you have Jeff Danielson mine when you were writing this? There was never a conversation about any other actor, in fact in that first phone call Scott said, we'll do it with Jeff right? Why were you thinking of him? Was one of the best actors that I know this trial wouldn't happen on a sidewalk lunch com or park bench would happen in an American corner law, and you should have faith in that institution. And I knew that he wasn't going to care about expectations. Whether it's from people who've read the book clicking last not the advocates. I saw in my head or people who've seen the movie who will say that's not a Gregory Peck. He was all ready right away in a place that it took me about a year to get to a which is listen, you're you're gonna have to get hardly out of your head. You're gonna have to get the book out of your head. You're going to have to get all the people who are going to say you've ruined my childhood out of your head. You took this on you said you'd write a play. Do it short can in Scott Rudin had both worked with Jeff Daniels on HBO's the newsroom in the movie, Steve Jobs and consider him to be a master of Sorkin dialogue. Got a good judge. We've got the facts we got the law in all that fails, we got an appeal besides being of bona fide star. He is an accomplished versatile. Broadway actor in the future judge when you come to my house would age sixty three seems to be at the peak of a forty year career. I wish I could've told that twenty one year old kid back in nineteen seventy six it's going to happen for you. But you're going to be in your sixties. And you should probably read Harper Lee's kill among bird. I'm not gonna tell you when. Someday is this highest profile role. You've ever had by far well, excluding dumb and dumber. Gotta get that in. It's part of the mosaic. To prepare for the role Daniels. Reread the novel the biographies of Harper Lee, very last thing, I want the world your lawyer right now negro man, what teenage girl I wouldn't be going in with a winning hand histories about the Jim crow south all to make sure he knew as much or more about the subject than the critics. So all these people who love this book, all these people who loved Gregory, Peck, delete, delete, delete, delete delete delete on the ridge inviting the roles far as I'm concerned, there is no movie there's a book that we're basing it on and part of our job is to say, welcome put the book down, but the movie away, we're gonna do the same thing. You've got to recognize it. But we're going to take you on a rival to take you over here. You think we're supposed to go over here? We're going over here. We want to confuse you early with us now good keep up. Pleasant things going to be said to me, and I'm they're likely to be said to you too. And that's exactly what they've done. The structure is changed out of practical. Necessity children's rows of scout JEM and dill or all played by adults looking back because the parts were simply too big and too difficult for child actors did you rape mail. You did not did you harm. Anyway, did not. So did you in the book the trial of Tom Robinson doesn't begin until chapter sixteen in the play? It's introduced in the first few minutes is seeing shift back and forth in time and location. But the biggest change in circles play is that it was written for today's audience. We weren't going to pretend that fifty eight years hadn't gone by since the publication of the novel because the shipper theater isn't a museum. This shouldn't be Omar the shouldn't be nostalgic. And in this story about. Racial tension. Jim crow and Justice in the south the only two African American characters have nothing to say on the matter. We understand now twenty eighteen that using African American characters atmosphere in a story is is a -fensive. Also in the story, it's a wasted opportunity. The plea allows Tom Robinson played by benja Akina bay to do more than just begged for his life heard about a lot of people who didn't do it. I was guilty. As soon as I was accused in the part of cow, premium advocacy, Casses longtime cook made and surrogate mother to his children is has been expanded to member of the family. I never thought. Not whole life almost in this house that I would have to remember to be grateful. Cal parting it now has agency that she has an opinion voice. She has voice and of any uses it it's important now that she use it. The role is played by latonya Richardson Jackson. He doesn't think. So. But I am totally the servant in charge. And try to infuse his thinking trying to make sure that he's okay. That's the impression you get from the book to a certain extent. You just don't hear the conversation. Exactly. You can hear the conversation. Now, do you think people are going to really notice all of these differences? I think that average theater gore will notice that it has been opened up to. Because you know, the thing about this book, though, it's timely. It's still now it's still occurring. I mean, Tom's DEP is still happening. This whole idea of Justice. What's right, is is still a thing that universally is being discussed that relevance resonates throughout the play as Atticus Finch is caught in the middle between small town, friends and blatant racism. If you're worried about what the townsfolk which say, it'd be perfectly natural to be ugliest hail town would say in the bookie had all the answers in the play. He grapples with the questions. He isn't the shining white Knight on the horse the statue in the square that is Atticus H just a small town lawyer who gets paid in vegetables. Sometimes that's all he is. I handle land land speed service agreements foreclosures, I can ride a will my first two criminal clients for the last two people hanged in Macomb County. Was that you doing Atticus when you just went through those little bit. They accent was lighter. These they Atticus from the book. But he goes through the change whichever leading protagonists needs to do. And and that's what that's what happens in the play. You see him become Atticus? Stand on that porch and go, no, we're gonna fix what's going on here. The differences are subtle. And there is no problem hearing, the voice of Harper Lee before you judge someone it's a good idea to get inside their skin for awhile crawl around what everyone has their own expectations, including the executor of her estate Tanya Carter who made a federal case of it. In March by suing the production, alleging that changes had violated the spirit of the novel. The case was settled out of court preventing. What did promise to be premature premiere in a courtroom Saul behind head tiny Carter will be there on opening night? She will be. Yeah. She's read the new version. Scheib belief. She has we haven't heard from her in a while accept a request for thirty tickets for opening night. There are a lot of people requesting tickets. The producer say advance sales are running far ahead of any Broadway. Production this year in sure to create controversy in conversation. Always remember was a sin. Kill him out convert the play is still being tweaked but word of mouth is positive. No signs of anyone bailing life. But here's my hope. Okay. For those who have who haven't read the book in twenty years, and for those who read the book last week here is my hope I can't help expectations that you walk into the theater with. But my hope and my belief is that thirty seconds after the curtain goes up. You will have forgotten those expectations, and you will be caught up in this new thing that you're saying. Now an update on a story we first broadcast eleven years ago, which we call the age of mega-fires the chief of fire operations for the federal government, Tom Bodnar told us that climate change had extended the wildfire season and dried out the wants moist underbrush, which went from flame barrier to fuel. You know, there are a lot of people who don't believe in climate change. You won't find them on the fire line in the American west anymore because we've had climate change beat into us over the last ten or fifteen years. We know what we're seeing we're dealing with the period of climate in terms of temperature and humidity and drought that's different than anything. People have seen in our lifetimes. Eleven years later. Wildfires are now measured not only millions of acres burned. But also.

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ESPNLA Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis HR 4

Mornings with Keyshawn, Jorge & LZ

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ESPNLA Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis HR 4

"Okay. Well sounds. Always. Like you need that. That'd be any. Getting the start. He was doing this yesterday. He's getting download he was getting. Just can't give back the video of key. And everybody serenading Travis cut out at ESPN, Los Angeles at Raj groves on the Twitter and insa. Card. Cutout looked like he was having fun until got a hold of them. Got a hold of them because the cardboard cutout can't run away. Man. You remember this you remember this stuff though? I mean these. I mean, I know just the time piano as we were doing we. Oh, man U's would probably wearing a sweater vessel showed under. Come on. Now how you know. I wonder if it means this when he boarded the the bolts. If you think you only now. Wait. Wait don't. Plus it all out for me because I'm not getting the connection. No, you're a little testy today. No, I been testy every now and then they hit a home run. They don't check out. He's staring. The ball. I mean, you can do. Around the basis. I mean, let me tell you about our bits over here going. Yeah. That's our fresh new jingle. Every time we come up with a good joke krizner all right guys that brought it again. Every time we do a little fresh. You know, we call it Chris. As is supposed to be the solid gold. Travis. By sprint. Key. That's where you taught. Just waiting to let it breathe. Breathe a little bit. You remember Torrey Smith receiver so Torrey Smith is a is a avid hunter he likes to hunt animals animal. Okay. And so it's all Carolina is big bore season going on down there guests, and so he got a couple to took them down a couple of bores. Okay. And he took a huge picture of him in front of the boars, obviously, blood and all the different stuff. So. Yeah. Now he's in little bit hot water down. And it's out Carolina. Why why? Because apparently it's getting a little bit out of control on how the hunting in doing the bore. Yeah. It looked this isn't like endangered animals man run around. Awfully matter of fact, ameet so it's called. Real concern with people like do that winning hundred for light draft and like. Different. Like, these are protected animals. These are you know, like. Underpopulated, but like a wild boar. So what else can we just run around or shoot enlighten? Freighter produces. Have you ever had a four me? No. I don't need. My brother. You talking to me boy come on. He went all the way in or not. I'm not cana- fake Tinto's. The he halfway halfway, you know, you. Yeah. Yeah. A regular thing L pretend to know from Detroit, but he's really from the sip. If you really knew Detroit, you know, half Detroit is the country. Yeah. I've never had bore me. Neither I've had venison. Here we call a deer meat. Get in a restaurant. Out of your house Bambi running down my streets too much to do that. There's a lot of ks meal. Shooting those everywhere. Oh, Bambi ARCHE walk. I could walk literally out of my yard instead on the curb and bam. He's just running down the street. Get your rifle man going. Going for a month. Elmer Fudd Rowzee. Remember? Remember one when we rattlesnake? Yes. Detail, man. All right key. I'm telling you right now believe you. But no, it was delicious tastes tough. No. Sports nation, right? Wasn't asia. We were doing those of the football fantasy football. Sports. Come from Texas. And he was does he hooked? It does is how we do tailgating or whatever for the games on Sunday. And he cooked all the stuff, but it was all crazy alligator too. Gator fried alligator never have. Alley at home with the hot sauce on crystal hostile. Oh, I could just go with Caffey some good nuggets. Average don't have the same gamy you need some gamy up in. Hey, I've never had. Breath alligator and the sort of crispy and you put the hassle. I'll tell you when you eat it. You know, like, oh man this animal caused so much pain and destruction. But now, I'm the one that ended. Hey, look at me. I'm the captain. In. Game food. Bear. No here. Bear bear bear bear. Jim. For this tastes like outside. All day long. Stays good. I mean, you know. So Jay Williams was talking about the national championship game. Of course, Virginia last year was the first team ever to lose to a sixteen seed this year, they go all the way and win the championship. Here's Jay Williams. It was the fastest in which they want it. It was the Purdue game going through adversity. It was the Auburn game going to versity. And then was this game going to versity? This is one of the best stories. I think there ever is in college basketball that seems like a stretch. Progressive stretch good. Ryan you said it was one of. So the one that makes it. Gives was seventy. And million of them. So it's one, but you think about the fab five you think about those university teams, you think about the Chris. But but you remember the run to the final. We remember Virginia. Exact. Nobody over. Jeez. Team on twenty years from now, I think I'll remember Butler losing do. Yeah. On that half court ordered Hayward's rim from half way more. Remember anyone you'll remember those Vegas teams? You'll remember poppy hurling Christian leader, you'll remember those team members in two weeks. If I said who did they beat? I don't know. Do do. We remember UCLA tie said. Yeah. I mean there were plenty of moments. You might remember the controversial call. You might remember remember that call no more. And it was just the other day. It's just like it's not the now it's always not that big of a deal had Duke been in the situation in that was against Duke or something like that. We you remember because people would continue if he's the one shooting it. I think we're remember it. Yes. Guys. I think in large part, we were I was asking a mean to great NBA scout any of those players headed for the NBA. And he was like, I don't know. I mean, that's part of it too. Is that you look you really anybody on that floor. You looking at two teams that are really being defined by guys who were probably this is probably it for them. We did this fish is it. We did this bit before. But like if you look at the roster for Virginia. It literally sounds like a bunch of do say regular try to make up the name fake name. What's your name guy? What's your name looks at a salt, shaker salt? What's your what's your name sees a blackout in ta Drome? Every single name on that on telling you, I'm gonna go through this. There's a guy whose name is Cody statman sat man man coated stat, man. We might actually remember Arbor more because Charles Barkley, and what these he might have said because we may have remembered them remembering it because of Charles Barkley. You're not remember because anybody that was on auburn's team. You're remembering Charles happened standing there watching it? Argue that part of the reason why we remember isn't simply the game that was played with the personalities attach those gains. You hated do. So that was one of the reasons that influence remember because I felt about them person from for sure. But at least we hated we knew who they were new Bobby Bobby Hurley. Leitner hated him the fab five you you knew Chris Webber, Jimmy John Howard, and Jalen you knew all of these guys. And whereas these guys come into the final four go ahead and tell me tell me one. Tell me one man junior is perfectly you like. Oh, you're right. We remember those teams because the personality of the testament, but China's point is at least those teams had the personnel them. Not some do play one hundred person on new RBIs boost Pru. Right. And that's because he's been the coach. National championship game last night. Tell me a player what's his name? Right. There's nothing. Thinking about was show swoops like already made that council mind when I think Texas Tech homes. Yeah. Yeah. And. And. At the gang kills me with. Kills show. Slamming a few beers. By the way, some other some other names on that that Roz. No, I don't care. Raj would not answering the door right now. Nobody's home h. Oh, you know, what that gives me thinking of anyway. Now if you act, right? I mean, you get the play. So can you guys name me the last ten schools that have won the NCAA championship? Right. Very eager to play. What you name me a school Virginia? All right immed-. Your name me a team that has won in the NCAA Duke, Duke. That's always good answer. If you go go she last Sunday was thousand fifteen beat Wisconsin, LTD grand, demand, Baylor Baylor. I'm talking men's you didn't specify. From now on men's. Go ahead. Keep shot Kentucky. That's usually get answer. Let's see that's one of the two thousand twelve counts. John culture, looking at pieces of paper. Go wrong. That's. Four one of the Carolina schools to win in two thousand seventeen ROY Williams, North Carolina beat Gonzaga. So that's answer. Mean would you like to take on the Wildcats Villanova? He went. Right. They did. Let's see here. And just just just a man now just the men here if I said Notre Dame that probably wrong, you wouldn't be right. All right. All right. So I would say it's not your turn idiots. He just went not notice. My turns. All right last ten years. So I'm gonna go Santa's. Ignorance can be. Years and years ago was overtime games against Memphis. They wanted overtime bam on in years. I said ten teams. Yeah. Okay. Santiz? Teas. Mike off turn Connecticut uconn is two thousand fourteen Travis you're still there. Michigan state. You win. Just wait. Let's see two thousand that's a long time. So you're out. I mean, we're looking for teams that have won ten teams that have won the last ten in the men's NCWA champion, keep in mind, we have some repeats. What was the team that? Can that means can I say Villanova again? I'm trying to remember the team that beat Trey Burke in Michigan in in the final hour on a say, I'm on you. Them. Okay. Give you the timer. Five. Three two one that doesn't cause an anthro Z. Would you like to steal Florida or? Or? In the last ten because of the repeat repeats hang on one to they get on on the list counts. Schanken name me a team. We know our college basketball, folks, if you're listening. Louisville. Very good gave him. The hint Travis. Are you still in it? No, I'm out. Okay. So it's just up to she can state, right? We're out y'all you out. This ten. Ten we listen Keyshawn. You. We'll let you win one. The kids listening at home. Just no you don't have to be good, Matt radio producer. Did you guys say North Carolina? I said that and you said. Kansas. You did them. All. Yup. Right after you've lung in math right now. And your parents you'll never get hired like that. There's rows. Donuts store me or Bank. Forty years forty years, which was you the Bank, okay? Give an answer other than Bank. No, no, no. Masses. Just was a story recently about a young gentleman who spent some time in prison for robbing a doughnuts. Doughnuts. Four bakery, specifically doughnuts. His name. Chris. Oh, the dodgers lose in Saint Louis last night L Z's responsible again. Plus, we're gonna nounce our winner for our face off challenge. The Gulf challenge myself and Ireland that's coming up next hunting wild boar. Happy birthday angrily. No Elsie that is the masters music and the masters starts on masters tournaments because you'd be looking at me and said it was Ingley and it's not it's a master's tournament which starts Thursday and something else starts Thursday as well. Kuroda premier spring. Shootout nineteen Ireland versus Travis Travis. It is that time we pick the litter. Nice. Gal gallon Jason joins us now. Good morning. Jason J B marring this. Hey, what's up? I'm pretty pumped up. I'm thinking as much as Ireland works that we should smoke. Yeah. I'm ready to t- off. Smoke ireland. So John's been on the road, but John plays quite a bit. So we have a little individual thing with me in Ireland. But we also have a team event J. Are you ready for this? You ready to carry team Travis a little bit? I'm ready to give it a shot for, sir. Go. Go. Chaser industry Hills Golf Club. I'm wearing my caddie bib. Travis run all day. Did you see it? Are you gonna have a shirt on underneath to this time? Spaghetti stains on it? Thanks, janice. Can you come get Travis? Travis Mathews gear. Oh, yes. These are giving us a lot of great gear. We have our own team, hats and everything. So thanks to Chris. Peterson over there at Travis. Matthew for making that possible, we've got uniforms for this whole thing. Like, I've got a Travis Matthew uniform that Genesis bring it in here right now. And it's good work. I know that neither one of you guys are huge golfers but Travis Matthew GARRETT'S like the best Gulf gear. That's going right now. So I'm pretty excited about no. I got a few Travis moles. Yes. Yeah. So I got a cap I gotta pull over I got pants, which by the way had to give my pant size, which I wasn't terribly thrilled to give out. But better better now than it would have been a few the number. Five. Five thirty to forty your business business. Thank you, Janice. This all looks great and up with the. Well, it's the headset. More than the hair. I don't have a lot of here. Well, the dodgers certainly pay off the tees a little bit of a head scratcher. The dodgers win streak snapped at five Joe Kelley does it again. Hey, L guy. Screw things up and Dylan Floro retired seven batters face throwing two and one third scoreless innings scholar. Alexander came on a perfect fifth inning at which point the dodgers held at three to two lead. Go ahead lead with Corey singer Koi. Singer corey. Siqueira go hit a single for RBI singer single single in RBI single by Joe Kelley tied it up, but the Saint Louis Saint Louis took the ahead run on a while pitch from Kelli. Kelli gave up the hit and they'd kill the wild pitch. And it was gave a his Kelly did not pitch. Well, again, Joe Kelley has struggled and Joe Kelley has been the weak part of the dodger bullpen so far this year in three in. Yes. Elsie the dodgers are eight and three you can try to put the three losses on Kelly. No, the three laws are Kelly's knowing. He only got two of them are Kelly's he's Oregon this morning. It didn't make a lot of sense. Just then. But you know, what does make sense we Roy's Donut shop bringing us keys organ this morning. They got plenty of gay glaze. Dan. Plays for your. Fame. Nineteen. These days. Name on thing. Yes. It's twenty nineteen space. We're okay with the gays now, Chrissy. Okay. See I gazed her. We always does ask questions. The road, Oregon leader. Organ. Oregon. They're going to be fine. Joe Kelley will be fine. He's thrown six Leroy's Donut. Shop because we we know. Did you ever watch fame? Travis. Yeah. I think so remember, LeRoy, I don't remember any of the characters. Remember the show? Leroy was one of the Dan black dancers only. He was the heterosexual that were super tights tights on. No matter what class. He was saying no matter what. Class size. But really as. Yeah. Really early eighties. No matter what class it was his name. His name was. Debbie Allen was in a movie before the TV before. Degreen that that really wasn't okay to have nice character ROY on TV yet. Right. We had to wait. A we had when he was really trying to get care. I was young. And I knew what Lee. It wasn't like other guys. Like just off of just seeing is on hundred ten degrees. His. Yes. This is been a mess. Oh, so so Kelly are big free agent signing the guy we could not here. I think you might be overstating big free agents. He got the most money didn't. Yeah. But this is not a breaking into sportscenter. No. But he's the one that when all seasons all said and done we gave them the most money too. So it is what it is. Personally. I've been trying to kick the data's kaikal tire to see what's up with that kimbrel. Still out there too. I mean, I'm just saying. Those names out there, and they didn't you know, whatever what why such a lack of sign is at the money. I don't know. There were talking about it on Sunday night baseball the other night when the dodgers playing the Rockies. And it's I mean, I don't know what he's asking for. And I don't know what's being offered. But the clearly the gap between those two things is significant for both guy because these are not journeymen guys. These are both guys that are difference makers in your team and they're both available. Now, the good news for the dodgers. Even though hundred RIA went down less than pitching in change last night. He had a groin injury Kershaw is on his way back Richhill. Hopefully is on his way back. The dodgers have all sorts of depth in their pitching staff. But losing review. I mean, we can talk about Kellyanne how he's pitching poorly. Any is. I think he's three to seize. He's no he's not he's wanting to. That's the official stance. Just. Officials said the dodger eight and three you have you know, the truth travel who had the l z one loss record in the L Z individual won loss record as well. But I don't even give him those losses. Anyway, I'm never do that pitched six innings pitched thirty innings and his still on fire like this in the bat ways, burn in the mound down. Then we've got a problem. It's six innings. He's a good pitcher. He'll figure it out. Okay. All right. That's what it what the charges. He's kicker. He'll figure it out. And they can't losing games because of the kicker. Yeah. Dell I'm not worried about I'm not saying that you put him in kenley Janssen's role in you roll it. I'm saying that six innings into the season. It's not the end of the world. Magic johnson. I have a conversation with them about like the way, Luke. Hey, what's going on over here at work out, though that really didn't? I'm not really that really didn't work out. I think it worked up a little bit. Because as soon thereafter, they got hot. And then Christmas the wheels fell off because in and they're done after tonight. Unfortunately. Are happy birthday, Hugh, Hefner. He would be ninety three years old. If he was with us today. They have some breaking news. We just have to look it up. It's on TV UCLA hires Mick Cronin as their new head coach. He's the head coach at the university of Cincinnati or was the head coach at the university of Cincinnati. He was at Murray state from three to six Cincinnati since six has a sixty eight winning percentage is a head coach was the AC not the ACC the coach of the year in two thousand fourteen it's been to the tournament eleven times and look at his face. Can't get my Bank. Get me to sign. Hear what you're saying. That's not going to give me the sign is that not look exactly like the guy that you knew UCLA would hire was just looking. No, no. I thought that they would hire more of a I don't know. Cool looking do. CLA? They had a cool looking dude at UCLA. Alfred Seve land a me Steve. Laven Alpher was a cool looking dude. I mean, he wasn't all like dislike that young man. You're going to have a great education UCLA basketball fourth. Stephen a Smith says that Kyrie is going to give the Lakers a meeting you'll hear that next. On his show yesterday said that the dodgers the dodgers. The Lakers are meeting with two. Not not yesterday. The Lakers are gonna get a meeting with Tyree. Not that he's coming here. But did at least he's going to sit down and have a conversation with. And this goes all the way back to very early in the Celtics season when member kyri kind of floated that, hey, listen, I reached out to LeBron and apologized for being kind hard headed back when we were little time ago. Yeah. Setting it up for this. But even before that when he started talking about he apologize in the he, you know, grasses and green on the other side. I was once a young guy. He started setting up to get to the next stage, which is meal the bra talk to the next stage, which we're going to be planning the Brown real. We got whole we're going to hug and in talk to each other four pound. And so then you go get to the point where Stephen A is right now where he's going to visit the Lakers. I saw it coming to mile away. I can see coming Venus. Interesting about. To me is that he may have you may have seen what he was trying to set up earlier. But I would say that this conversation was starting way back when when they went to the ESE Al got to gain some against the bron- and didn't need him the entire way. I would argue the conversation started then whether he wanted to or not because Danny aines was probably thinking do I really need to sign that when I did so much them. Maybe if I v him for something else Anthony Davis, which is always in play so trust. Kyrie's not stupid. He can read the tea leaves. And when you compare the fact that there's such a team without him. What are the rise by twelve and two without him or something like that somebody into thirteen and two thousand that's weird the season. Those types of good without him. But. What you're not going to be witty. But his compound by the fact, though that they got to gain seven eastern covers fine without them. So you compared those two seasons stats not just a stat is a trend is becomes a fact, and he's probably fit in a certain kind of way either either. Also, he's projecting feelings or he's sensitive in the real. But you also got their in game seven against the team was LeBron bunch of. Nobody's I mean that's got through Philly. They got through forget who the other team. They beat to get to the Milwaukee, you got affiliate team that was young and inexperienced just like you. You got you got through prestigious coach. Yeah. He's coast. But I mean, they were mad about Jason Tatum. Who's in pain and Tatum ball out and he out any ball out? But you start to look at those type of teams, and you able to say, well, they don't really need him. No, they can they they can using. But there's other options. Then you might look the say, okay. Let's take a look at an option because they didn't go out to acquire him from Cleveland if they didn't think they needed. That's true there. There's a whole there's a million different layers to this entire thing. Steven mentioned this on his show yesterday. He's. How are you? What? Good morning. The Hornets sadness, Stephen Smith, you doing on going on big time on nothing much trying to figure out kyri making his way to LA just to meet actually sign on the dotted line when the time comes well. I say I say on the dotted line told the other day like gang that. He definitely will grant the Los Angeles Lakers. Visit that's what they believe. I didn't hear this from kyri. I heard from the Laker side. They are certainly an -ticipant that he will grant them visit this summer. So you know, that says a lot to be from stamp point that if they believe he's going to grant them visit obviously people like Chris Paul and LeBron James would have something to do with that. They would know something about that. And if that's the case that need that there's been some communication, which goes a long way considering how Tyree departed from Cleveland. So when you look at it from that perspective, you know, that that that that definitely means that LeBron James is in the mix in terms of playing the role in recruiting players to come to LA which. Exactly what he needs to. But when you Stephen it when you talk about the bra recruited players coming to LA now. Kyrie Irving, obviously is one that will be available. But you go have other guys available at are probably a couple of notches above kyri Kawai, Leonard, you know, maybe Klay Thompson, do you look at it and say, okay, you can take one of those guys is KAI guy. Well, I think if he's going to be the guy is going to be the Falke shop because his problem Kawai Linnet, I'm here to tell you the clip is really really believe they got a shot at getting it. They think that it comes down to him standing Toronto him coming to them. You've got in David's he's under contract with the pelicans who don't intend to do business with the Los Angeles Lakers as currently as currently is the case if things change into lie, so be it. But as of the last couple of months moving forward, we've all been told to the NBA community. There's no way in hell that the public is going to do business with the Los Angeles Lakers. Mccain's to trading Anthony Davis. To the Los Angeles Lakers, which is one of the reasons why magic came out and spoke is vehemently as he did about how negotiations when that that particular moments before the trading deadline, then you have Klay Thompson Klay. Thompson is in LA. I'm sorry in the is in the bay area. We see him repeatedly walking around with his head down because he's frustrated that the often doesn't necessarily involve him usually third option. Whatever the case may be you find him the basketball he delivered. But the reality is that is number could be called more. He's not an active participant within the offense. So sometimes you sit there wondering that whether or not they would lose it. The problem is the Golden State Warriors for what my sources told me have Pacific. We've been told even by the greats like Pat Riley, the number one priority should be keeping the splash brothers intact under no circumstances. Do you lose that pant them you? Keep the splash brothers intact. So. You hearing now that keeping Klay Thompson as more a priority than keeping. Kevin durant? If Kevin Durant lease chances are think about coming to LA. It's more New York because he doesn't wanna help Macron win more titles. He wants to clips LeBron. And he doesn't want to be in a situation where he's under study. Or he's the second fiddle. Do you know he wants to go to a place where he can claim it as his own? And so when you look at all of those things that cleaves way for car to come to LA if indeed that's what he wants to do. I just don't necessarily see that. But you never know this doesn't California, and there are New Yorkers and people from that area that I know that have become somewhat addicted to southern California. The reason why Madge is looking for a number two is twofold, obviously, you want to try win ship with the bronze Jane's, but the other thing too is that you want someone you can build around post. Lebron James given his injury history. Do you believe they wise? Financial investment? I don't have a problem with the financial investment. 'cause you gotta spend the money on somebody else. So that's not an issue for the issue for me that if that if that is your only game plan life, for example, you know, getting Kyrie as a free agent doesn't stop you from trading for Anthony days. It may not stop you from positioning yourself to get him down the line. Just not this summer. If kyri is the loan plan, and you don't have anything else. Then I have a problem with it. But if he's a part of the plan, I certainly don't have an issue whatsoever. Because big Stephen, thanks. Much like, I think. Yeah. I it's it's. I think you ask the most important question. Kyrie's great player. Kyrie is a guy that is a high high level NBA player when he's right. But he's not right. We're talking about real minute ago. He falls into that same category. When he's there. He's awesome. But he's not there a lot. So is that the right guy to build on moving forward. And that is what is coming up next kyri is he that guy coming up? Is this a song or is he just explaining what's going on? Started teaching stuff. So what you think went to whole foods got products. True. Doctor's appointment at two thirty. Target. I ran out to as zero. Don't forget to put the cans out. It's Thursday year. The funniest thing you've ever done draftee. I got skills, and then many lays it on you, and you like going, okay. And they should have started with this. No, the build up that was the best part. Exactly about the end. You always want to skip. Right. United good part. Do you one of those marvel movie watchers that Jim Ryan advantage and go now who's the guy with the hammer? Right. No. He he was the one where everybody dies. I just watched that with the kids. You can't parachute into every all it's great. It's great. I'm like kind of cool. I mean, there's people fighting and cool gadget since I don't know. Like, why is that guy have a hammer is that gonna have a shield why upset with him? So you have to do to build ups. He understand the me about he had to tell you about his day. I did like guardians of the galaxy. He would what do you mean out of all the movies? Yeah. I like Chris Pratt like Zoe Saldana or doesn't like. Even green. She's been through some colors. She has another car to pass greens greens work DreamWorks green. Green looks good on her. So kyri we're talking about the Lakers can get meeting this summer, morbidly, good rumba, ho foods. So look all the guys that we've talked about. Kevin durant? Klay Thompson, Anthony Davis, Leonard. Who else am I forgetting probably one or two others kyri seems to be the guy that the Lakers have the best chance of getting all those other guys have options. A or b that seem more logical than than the Lakers kyri might be the exception to this because of his relationship with Braun because they've made peace on whatever unpleasantness they might have had between each other. It seems like it's not a big deal anymore. The we know they fit well together. I mean, they went to the final three times in a row together. They beat Golden State together. We it's great as LeBron wasn't that series where he led and everything career at the shot that won the game. He you know, he hit that shot. He hit me. He definitely hit the big yet for sure. My question is his health and his age going forward when the bronze done only reason why you hear me pause is because there's an argument to you made that because of the deficiencies in defense from Kyrie which is not thing I made up the stats of their obviously you see the results with with Boston with without him turns of deficiency and etcetera there are moments in which because of defense he puts us in situations in which you need his offensive heroics. And so as they consider who they're going to anoint as the successor to the brand Jane's what you can't do is have someone who needs so much help covering an aspect of the game in order for the one that they sell into shine. And I know that's Trixie in. No. That sounds like. I'm splitting hairs, but Houston would not be successful. If they didn't have Clint Capello or someone who's. To shore up all the defensive efficiency of their star players. And so when you think about a kyri yet you want that, but you have to also sign that with some thoughts in mind in terms of okay now, we still need a lot of beef. It's because he's going to give up a lot to whereas the other two way players like Jimmy Butler like a Paul George. You're not thinking that you're not signing if Jimmy Butler say is like, you know, going after you're not looking at Jimmy Butler going now we need to make up for his defense though. Because you know, he's got that too. When it comes to kyri Kemba Walker. Another one though, these are guys who you know, they're gonna give it your buckets. But because they're also going to give a buck us. You gotta have a plan to cover up for those those huge deficiencies, and that's the only reason I hesitate a little bit for the reason you're saying is also an Amine mention this to I don't think it's so much about who who's the name that they get who's the guy. There's going to be a guy. I think I hope that we're talking about Joe Kelley minute ago that they break into whatever programming there is on sportscenter to say the Lakers just signed blank, whoever. Whether it's or some of their top tier guy that that's going to be great. That's going to be nice. It's the stuff that just grows on the bottom of the ticker. I think is going to be much more important to their success. The guys that are going to be the other stuff not the stars. Not the guys they're going to be on the media guide cover the guys that are going to play twenty twenty five minutes and night play defense. Like, you're talking about rebound do all that kind of stuff. I like your phrase where he said, you know, guys, they're going to be walking back to the bench. After a timeout. Not saying, hey, I was open guys are just going to go back there and sit down and get ready for the play to start again. Yeah. Those are the guys that I think you're gonna have a lot more to do. Because if they get a second guy and Brandon Ingram still here on Lonzo still here in cow who's still here. You've got enough horsepower to do what you need to do for the most part, but you're going to need some glue guys you're gonna. Need some just some dudes that do all that stuff that we're talking about that? We don't talk about Andre Igwe dollars. If you really someone who sacrificed, right? That's the one who they thought it was gonna cut the clippers when they made the tray with Chris Paul and all that stuff. They are going to cut them get them into camp and go, wait a minute. You can do a little something hundred dollars sacrifice so much of his offense to be that defensive glue guy and pay it off with him winning finals. MVP gotta be at a fine those guys because if you if you get a kyri, you're going to need a Tristan Thompson, if you get a Tyree or a Kemba Walker even a need one of those glue guys who's willing to sacrifice their bodies sacrifice offense, be water occasionally, but not walked back to the bench and go yo I was on the wing free looked for me next. Fewer of those. All right. The pit of the day next. Happy birthday. Kristen stewart. Unit is. Did you watch those movies now? We're just talking about. It's not my era. That's my John rea- is not that fantasy vampire eerie thing. I like vampires. I just don't want him all sexy. He don't like pretty vampire them. I love that. I love and rice books and everything, but the twilight was it was like teeny Bopper gritty. Rip my throat out. If you go and drink my blood on it, right out vampires. Yeah. Which those vampires and blade. Yeah. Like, don't eat me. Don't be all like, Kristen Stewart and the other one's with. It's like. Nice thing. Brackets. So fierce four of south. Roger sound drives today who the number one overall soy healthy. He took down the twelve day. My brother. Mavra fifty nine percent to forty one percent. Then lot Shoda the eight seat went up against the fourteen Sita means said and lot Shona white. Sixty six percent to thirty four percent, which means tomorrow. Oh, the big championship. We go ahead and head to head Z trauma. Can't give me chance. It seems unfair Shuki now. The eighty five team they're going to shoot eighty percent. I don't know we come for these throat. We're gonna tear it out likes it. So tomorrow every hour agent potently will be available on the Twitter's ESPN Masa. Those will start at six AM to see what is the number one sound drop on the morning show. Janice. Takeout, janice. Please. You know, I noticed that new get a little crazier when key leaves? Yeah. The gummy is kicking. Yeah. Just or wearing off. Yeah. Maybe that maybe. Playing more to those guys or Janice. So you say something she her polka first awful through just collapses in Melton. Just did I get Jannes and she's bright red. And it's like, I guess I didn't really ask that question. But you're not really asking. No. You're doing your deal. I'm doing, you know, trying to minutes aiming I wish I liked college basketball, still I feel kind of weird that I just didn't watch it. I'm sure it was I'm not it's not would be get your heads up contain. I forgot it was on. Even toed. Yeah. Ten o'clock in the morning. Game came on what I don't know six Chelsea was to new I went to lucky ball. So watch that at that has the same impact on my life is what Russia said, oh, soccer and college basketball. Did they win? We did to new. That's right. That's right. I forgot nil zero. It's time for the bit of the day of the day that bit at the day. The bit of the day is driven by foreign Burg, Los Angeles on the sunset strip. What's the difference? There isn't one tight onesies children. No, they're not for children. Yeah. Not if they make a dull sizes and laze they'll size diverse. Exactly. That's not just what dressed up like a tiger wherever you are. All right. Let's go. Let's go back to your second. All right. Hold on. In the middle of the day middle of the week not on the weekend doing holiday time. He was thirsty Thursdays. It wasn't even Allah. We know like Wednesday to this is what we do. Yeah. We row as highly sensitive equipment over there. Criminal tackle stuff down just to show me a picture that I don't even want. See you don't. I went to one party last year. Stick to sport. Let sin sports it's just the camera because the camera now not even looking at so hold on tricky camera. So you look at sports think they don't wear cats. They're all wearing catsuits what he thought. Serena. Where's the cats? Cats lesser. That's well, I mean. So let's talk about Kyrie Irving. A means the action is exactly the same reaction that I have when I see those pictures, which is kind of just sad resume looks real freaky tales of furry. I have like five different ones. I guess. The question is even more accurate you'll furry. The day. Bit of the bits, man. It's all good. Hornberger loss Angeles on the sunset strip brings you a bit of the day every morning to rep visit horned burglars, Angeles dot com and Rover above and beyond. So I'm going to wear one tomorrow be my guest. All right. Do it like that. You asked me with complete sincerity. You really don't have any these. I thought it was like, you know, how long have we known each other? Now, apparently not long enough. I mean, no, you're wanting collection. Listen, the Caspian Los Angeles got a great day.

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REShow: Guest Host Ryan Leaf and Charles Barkley. Hour 3 (03-18-19)

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REShow: Guest Host Ryan Leaf and Charles Barkley. Hour 3 (03-18-19)

"Orig- is on demand. Your show your schedule. Fifteen minutes after ball dot com. Check out the casts at richeisenshow dot com. Welcome back. Everybody to the rich Eisen show. Our three buddy our three filling in assists blown by. Right. We have Steve lavon come in and talk about the bracket brackets released yesterday. And then our buddy Jay Glazer talking about the NFL in the off season. We're gonna get to Charles Berkeley talking. Not only NC double a college basketball. But also some of the NBA things that he's covered through the first the first part of it. Later on this week. Rich is going to be gone. The entirety of the week here. Filling in Kirk Morrison's going to be your guest host take you through the rest of the week. Kirk has done kurkin done some stuff on on Sirius XM, ESPN radio and things like that. He he's done this before with you guys. Go to great has great guest host. Let's get to some of that news, Brockman, what are we got? Let's do the news. Brockman with federal live report drunk men with the news news today. Brought to you by the Honda dream garage spring event. You can get a great deal on the Honda of your dreams available Honda sensing and loads of high tech featured you won't want to miss out on these deals head jewel Honda dealer today. All right. We've been talking a lot about the New York Giants around here. Ryan, obviously, the Dell Beckham trade they signed golden Tate, and they still have E Y manning and GM Dave Gettleman was asked about Iwo who is do a five million dollars signing bonus coming up asked if e is overpaid narrative that he wise overpaid and can't play is a crock. So at the end of the day, you guys go to say, get them out of his mind or any knows what he's talking about. When he evaluates players. Where do you come out on the Gray's? Really Gettleman voice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's hard. It doesn't sound like the guy that calls into the sports talk radio show as an rattles off about tests. And he makes how much money where do you come out on this? Great you I manning debate. Yeah. You know, what it kind of kind of takes us into the conversation. We're having about franchise quarterbacks than the power. They hold right right with those big contracts. Why is it so hard for them to walk away from the cap number? We we know now that they don't mind taking dead money. I mean, they just took on twenty one million dollars in dead money. Yeah. Yeah. And the giant. So there's something about a quarterback his general manager. And owner if they if you get in there, if you get in with your owner, and you stay there the entirety of your career. There's something to be said about the power, you you you wield with all of that. And that's why I was thinking about the idea of these. You find a way to get that quarterback in the draft. Right. We saw we've seen with Dak Prescott somehow in the draft seeing with Mitchell Trubisky, they moved up and tell them with the second pick yet Jared Goff on these rookie contracts. They're able to go we're able to trade forget Khalil Mack in Chicago. They were able to get the dominant sue. Keep to leave on defense, Marcus Peters. All these things all these pieces that may take you a championship. You may have a suitable quarterback that can get it done enough. But he might not be that franchise quarterback retie up two hundred million dollars on and then limit your ability to go out and grab other great players. And what does that do? So this could be a shifting of guard a little bit of where now Patrick Mahomes, you're gonna have to pay. I mean, he just he does too much to not does say that that's going to be the case future the sport. But where are the LA Rams a year from now when they mortgaged their house last year really for that defense things make some changes. And they realized that hey, we tried. We got to this place. We overpaid for a running back. We set the precedent when it comes to that didn't show up in the NFC championship or the Super Bowl. Now, what they signed Brandin cooks to a long term deal. What do we do? Now. Is it the quarterback? Now, we gotta sign him to a huge. All right, then more money goes out the door, which means limitations on one other players. You actually can have could Seattle. They had Russell Wilson on that rookie contract with surround him with the defense. He says built up that great defense had a great run got a title should've had two. And now since he got paid different. Yeah. They're they're there any surprise when they make it to the playoffs. You shouldn't be this shouldn't be able to get to this position. They lose in the first round. And it's just maybe that now do you want that? Right. I mean, do you. That's the question. Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay. I think Aaron Rodgers is one of the greatest quarterbacks in the NFL right now. But what with that contract? What are they going to be able to bring in there to supplement and help him? I know he can make a ton of different people better. But if you since he won that Super Bowl, they have not won. And that's gonna be the situation. They're in for the next few years where are they going to go with that? So I you see quarterbacks on their rookie contracts. Patrick Mahomes this year Jared Goff Mitchell Trubisky Dak. Scott. They're going to have to make that decision this year right fifth year option right James Winston actually still on that fifth year option. Marcus mariota. Those types of situations is going to be called or need to be made here soon. All right. So he's our franchise quarterback. Then we're gonna have to pay him accordingly. Or are we going to say, hey, because the fact that if you draft a quarterback in the first round and miss on them? You are not. You're not destroyed like when the chargers drafted me, and what they gave up for me and the amount of money and guaranteed money that comes with that. And the fact that I don't pan out it sets the organization back years where nowadays you could have seen Cleveland. Do they missed out on first around quarterbacks in consecutive drafts? And are still able to get Baker Mayfield and put themselves in a position now where he's on a rookie contract. Go out and get signed Jarvis Landry. You'll on contract. Take a chance on Kareem hunt v Vernon defensively house Garrett on on a rookie contract. I mean, you know, rent's going to be do here. Yeah. Sooner or later. Sure. But bask in the glory of it right now Cleveland because you may see your window open and shut pretty quickly. So what do you think the giants should do? Do you think they're right to stick with ally manning, right or wrong? I think elements pretty much told everybody by carrying the dead money this year and sending away. Landon Collins as well as J that this. Has hey, we'll get it. He hasn't come out and set it, but we're gonna we're gonna suck this year. All right. And let's give let's give ally his curtain call. He's done an amazing job for us the two Super Bowls. He's one he pulled just out of Tom Brady's hand. Give him his due. He's going to be the highest paid player ever. He's going to bypass his brother here this season and put himself in a position there. This may be kind of a retirement tour, though, I still wonder what that means in terms of the quarterback position. Does that mean at six you take a quarterback what I would do here is I would probably go and really have a solid conversation with the Zona cardinals about Josh Rosen because it's a guy that you you could've should have drafted to last year instead of saquon, right? But if they were able to get both of them use the six pick the seventeenth pick on a defensive player maybe to defensive players or maybe an offensive lineman in those two picks and not throw it away on another quarterback. I know Dwayne Haskins is a possibility that position I do think that they may have to trade up because I think somebody's going to trade up to try to get Dwayne Haskins. But I think Murray to AirAsia is inevitable. And Josh Rosen is going to be on the trade trading block for that. The only question is what are teams willing to do? We just saw the Miami Dolphins roster of quarterbacks right? Exactly. I was going to get to that next. Speaking of teams who don't know what they're doing at the quarterback position. Dolphins on Friday traded Ryan tannehill to Tennessee, which is a curious move. He I guess presumably will be the backup to Marcus mariota signed Ryan Fitzpatrick to a two year deal. That's why I asked you earlier if you have any juice left and your right arm. I I just wanna see what outfit. He shows up after a big game. That's in Miami in south beach. Right. That that could how what the beards going to do in in south beach there. But I will say this magic back. Maybe. Patrick. It was pretty obvious. They're just you know, they're tanking this year to try to get to tank for to. All right. That's what what rich called it. That's what he calls it. I'm not sold onto as a professional quarterback though. Really? Yeah. I think that. But then again, I still may be stuck in the same mold of what a professional quarterback is supposed to be and because Murray doesn't fit that mold right? And things are changing, right? But the guys that are winning it. Right air raid quarterbacks weren't successful, the NFL hadn't been when the LA Rams went out and drafted one in the first overall pick said, I mean, that's you're taking a big leap here to put everything on the first pick in the NFL draft that this is going to be the first air raid quarterback to be successful in the NFL. And after your one year like, okay, they you know, they made a mistake in this. Yeah. You get a great coach in there. And then a long came Patrick Mahomes air raid quarterback. Becoming the answer in the NFL in terms of what offenses look like, which makes me think that to than starting to fit. Exactly what teams are trying to do. I don't know. Sometimes when I watched lefty quarterbacks it just seems labored and slow, but he's by far the most accurate college quarterback. I've seen in in decades. I was there for the national championship. And I watched Trevor Lawrence the big six foot six pocket passer. Yeah. Just decimate what two can do on the other side of the football. And that's the most comparable thing. I think to professional defenses you're gonna face. But look at that. I mean, what is it about two is game that looks labored out there. I think it's just it's just a lefty thing for me. Right. It's you watch lefty. Even when you watch Steve Young. It always seemed like Steve was slower getting back in his drop. It seemed you watched the quarterback things and reverse. Yeah. It's just it just seems that way to me. And that could just be optical for me when it comes to that. But he's going to be the best quarterback probably coming out of the draft a year from now. Trevor lawrence. He'll be the year after. Yeah. It's amazing to think that probably the best quarterback in the country right now is only going to be a sophomore heading into college could easily probably be drafted by any of the NFL teams that want another name. I want to think about that. When it comes to the draft to the giants might be looking at a year for now, if they know they're gonna take Justin Herbert out of Oregon. Yeah. You know, he's a big guy. He came back. So it's. You're taking a chance with the quarterback. That's smaller undersized, but these are elite athletes Cuyler Murray being one exactly like he was capable being drafted in the NFL draft as well as being the number nine overall pick in the major league baseball. That's that's elite athlete. He maybe this unique unicorn that that no one sees right ever before until now and do the biggest fear that any general manager has is the fear of missing out on a franchise quarterback. Right. The one that can take you to the next step the promised land. Because if you have a quarterback in this league, you have a chance. And that's that's never going to change. It has never changed. If you have a quarterback. You're good enough. You can look at some Super Bowl winning teams. And you go like ravens with Trent Dilfer defensive-minded completely as, but it's rare that you don't have a franchise quarterback sitting in that position that just happens to have been Tom Brady for the majority of you know, my prime of watching pro football you talked about second third fourth chances a guy who's got many chances Bertha linebacker from Cincinnati. He was released by them over the weekend or this morning. The move saves nearly six million against a cap for the Bengals do you think this guy have you ever spoken with him? What do you think his issues are on and off the field? Do you think you'll ever play again saying this might be the end for him? Yeah. I mean. You know, he's been given a lot of chances. And he's only twenty eight years old the prime of probably a linebacker in the NFL. So. I bet he gets another chance. I think there'll be a team that is a need and knows what he can contribute. You just have to you know, have a conversation with him understand. But unless somebody's gonna change who they are. You're probably gonna get the same version very hard hitting. Entertaining player to watch that gonna make boneheaded mistakes every now and again, that's just that's what you're going to get. Now is the risk worth the reward. And that's what you have to ask yourself. Yeah. It always is when it comes to NFL football players right there. The NFL. Ego is fragile as anything in the world for elite, athletes and guys to be at that place. It's it's it's pretty crazy. The psyche of an elite athlete is incredibly fragile for being so good at what you do. The thing is most elite athletes probably couldn't function in life without football as we're seeing more and more happy as we watch the young man say he's going to quit on Instagram. Why smoking weed down in Dallas, right? Dave. Hey, I can't smoke weed and play in the NFL. So I'm just gonna quit the NFL that gives me everything. I mean, it's the most idiot thing I've ever heard I get that. There's a point, you know, moving on from this opioid epidemic into something natural and things like that. But guess what? This is a private run company. The NFL is private right? They make. Rules. If you can't live up to them, you know, you're not going to be in it. Bontes perfect. Is a perfect example. You can't follow the rules teams aren't going to give you an opportunity. When we come back. We're going to see Charles Barkley Turner sports NBA analyst, he gets the question for the next two weeks and pulls out the NCW bracket and goes at it. He'll be joining us next. You're listening to the rich Eisen show. I'm Ryan leaf March madness is upon us. And Dan, Patrick has you covered. I probably wouldn't do the hat because I don't wanna I don't wanna mess up the hair. 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While dribbles top to the left and Jones cross over got inside give it to Siam roof. Steel by John running behind the back. And how about this run in Charlotte all the way to an ACC title for two as they knock off Florida state seventy three to sixty three to claim their twenty first in school history. Welcome back to the rich Eisen show. I am Ryan leaf filling in for our next guest is joining us from Philadelphia. He is Basketball Hall of Famer Turner sports NBA analysts and rent it out for this next. Couple of weeks. College basketball analyst for old friend of mine, surcharge, Barclay, welcome to the show, Charles. Thank you, brother. I really appreciate it. Good to talk to you. It's great to talk to you to you. We just watched Zion. Williamson do his deal and we week ago. You you had made some comments around whether he was really the first pick in the draft or not you kind of maybe thought some other things what is it been like to watch this young man perform this year up down with the injury. And now performing the way he did in the ACC tournament. His last week. It's another one too and Israel. He was amazing in the ACC tournament. I mean, he was incredible. You know, I it's been a pleasure to watch. I mean, man, he is just fantastic. You know, when people try to compare to me, and I go more explosives on I think he's a little bit bigger. I think he's more explosive and man, he just saw talented. I mean, he's really talented. It's been it's been. I mean, it's crazy crazy play at the plant basketball really for a month to come back and play like he did when the more incredible is the comparisons. Like you talked about. I mean, did you look like that at eighteen years old? I didn't look like. Twenty eight. On ES. So much more than I of a lot better. But he's so much more explosive. You know, don't want nearly as good as it is. You know, I think he's got to work on his. Because the next level. He's gonna play some it's gonna be interest on him in the pros at I'm not sure if he's a three oh four. That's why I think was going to be very interesting 'cause we don't have some good matchup in the pros at three and four. There's not going to be easy for him. Not they're not going to be. He's not gonna be either the enter it gets in a pro position. They try to plan. Yeah. I'm I'm interested to see how that plays out too. Because it's really as you've taught a lot of us. And we watch the NBA it's all about matchups. And speaking of that, I kind of wanted to get into a little bit of the the optics last night with LeBron and being distant distancing himself from the team during the I mean, these are things that that we shouldn't even be talking about right now. This is a team is not going to be in the playoffs yet. Because of who he is and the conversation that's always surrounding him. Again. There's something that we have to talk about LeBron James. And what the problem is in Los Angeles. Well, one of the bronze not to the problem LA, obviously. But you know, the Lakers scrutiny thing from the beginning when they bought in on those old guys who who's young guys, you know, you can't be like I 'cause I said this are they trying to make the playoffs or they trying to bell these young kids. You can't do both. I mean, you've got to see who who want to keep going forward. Or are we trying to make the bringing all these guys? So Lakers crew out onto beginning as fourth thing him sitting on the bench. It was not a good look. But LeBron knows there's a double standard Ryan when you win again, losing, you know, I used to talk to out at Iverson of one or the Greeks, you know, people complain about him not practice it and things like that. And I you'll man you do know we were when practice y'all make to the final going in the playoffs. They didn't care. But soon as teams to lose them, they crush you. That's just how this thing is Ron people big on take shots at you. When you're not winning is nothing personal. These guys have the house on the talk about TV three or four hours every day. Like, I say I guarantee if the Lakers when at number one seat number two seed, nobody was cetera thing about the bronze and bus. Got it. But it did not look good. But then the cook losing planet. Simple. Why do you think it is imperative as a culture or around organizations in and leagues that we that we try to compare the greatest of all time. Why why do we continue to try to compare Michael Jordan and LeBron James two different eras to different players? Both great at when they were why do why is a culture that we continue to to do that. Do you think? Well, because these guys have all this time on TV every day, you know, around the twenty four hour cycle. These guys being some talk about twenty four hours a day. So they make up their storylines and they always win win situation. What about if you start taking shots at LeBron all the haters going come out and take them apart and also people lined up on a come out. So that's how you keep three or four hours radio going everything in major markets. I mean, but you know, I the one thing I don't do. I never do social media. Never. I think it just idiots. Go to go opinion. They live suck. I mean, I always say, I think most of those people just sitting around grandmother's house and mom's out limited parents. They sit around pajamas scratching the balls, and they going to just take shock people who are successful. And that's why I got mad. Out of seventy was talking about social media why in the world or somebody famous credited the social media you winning in life. You know, people going to be haters 'cause they live stuff. I don't understand why any so beverage. Or president successful. I sit around looking at the internet. Think about it. If you're successful. You have time to comment on of people, actually, I'll doing stuff you've transcended all of us Charles. That's the difference. The the idea that what other people think of you is none of your business. Clearly in that position. I wanna I wanna talk about that in particular the reinventing yourself, right? You reinvented yourself when you left the NBA. I mean, how the transition is very difficult for any professional athlete to go from being decide entity into something new, and I don't know if it was seamless, it seems seamless for us watching, but talk to us about what that transition was when you had to finally leave the NBA, and I know you are involved with another things, but your life's taking on something different in to your point. You're not revolved around what other people think of you. But you're just simply doing what you love to do. Around, you know, my mentor. Dick Ebersol started talking to me my last probably two years in the NBA. He says. Thought about anything you want to do in big episode like him a lot of credit point me in the right direction. He says, you know, I really think you should think about television. I'm like. Tutors you'd most honest person I've ever met. He's now he's art. Thank you be great on TV. He's is would you always go and being in trouble? And I what does that mean? He says, you know, what people tell you. They want wanna hear the truth. They really don't wanna hit it. You know, people want to they want you to tell them their team as really really good. They want you to tell you their favorite player is great, and that's all fans care about. And if you don't tell them how great their team is. Or you criticize them favorite player. They're going to go crazy. And that's the best advice. I ever got from dick up. So he said he says, listen, you're going to be great on TV. But he's he's there. More people on. Than not. But he says there's gonna be a faction of people players also that they're not going to like you. They don't they don't want to terms they want. They want you to tell them what they want to hear. And I made my mind a long time ago. I'll get on TV until the time some people don't like it and some people don't kiss, my as plain and simple. Well, it's been very inspiring for me for somebody who's always struggled with trying to be transparent. And now with that platform being able to do so I want to transition a little bit here to the NC double A thing. So you now we're talking the other day about how you kinda gets a quest here for the next eighteen to twenty one days and just upload the NC double A bracket. All the teams that are being part of it. And you go right from the NBA to really not fallen the double until you get into this mix. Do they just they just close the doors on here for the next twenty one days and hold you in their Fiji and put you on TV? Will you know run? I have watched probably three basketball games that they for the last two months, and we get a written report every week on every college conference. I mean, it's it's a lot of homework, and I I don't always get the names everything. Right. But the basketball easy. Like, I like, my mom when you're watching college basketball. I talk about the coaches can't coach I don't say it on TV. But when I'm talking to Clark and stuff in candy in earning, and Greg I'm like these guys can't coach lick because what I have over this these coaches make no end game adjustments. Somebody's coaches a great. And they are some family is came coach. He only win because Collins, and that's one. You know, I love watching the strategy of the game because singer who like an NBA game in a series game. One the game four there's so many adjustments back and forth like confined hookah really coach who can really play and so much mad as pretty easy. Like I like the matchups. I love to see the team one team like a lot of teams like okay might be a lot better. But man when a guy's on a pretty city to five forty five something like that. And then a coach get maced adjustments. I love watching the strategy of that, you know. And now, it seems like, you know, two or sixteen being one with the fit of the three point shot team is not superior more talented. You're gonna have more and more upsets. Complete point shot at you get a bunch of guys shoot threes. And you get a team. That's like don't have a silent on a Barrett or reddish. Like now, we got oh now we don't have upset to me. The best thing about Mars on this. I love to see good coaches make adjustments, and it's awesome to watch. But I make fun of the coaches can't coats. We've had some games where team would run the same point like five times in a row ride and get a layup or either shot every time, and I'm like clearly out Pam they're gonna make an adjustment, right? Don't do all make just they were in the same play five times gotta shot every time easy shot. So you're all yesterday comes through for the SEC by dominating the Tennessee volunteers, get a five seed opened up against New Mexico state. What team or teams do you think has the best chance at winning this national championship? Is there a handful teams, or is there can you narrow it down to a few that you really think only got a real shot. What do prohibitive favorite? You know? Coach K is amazing, but desire on those guys there the prohibitive favorite. Well, let me tell you something. I love Costa Dodig and Zayda. I think Tennessee is interesting 'cause they got a bunch of older guys who physically and you need some do is only gonna get a bit team. They don't have to be physically manhandle gets on and ball trouble. I think there's only that's the that's all the chance of losing. I think is oh is a great great coat. So they got a chance. Oh, I'm trying to think. But I think there's five or seventeen five. But do kissed a favorite Houston as a sleeper. I do I think Kevin Sampson is it's been coaching. He's been in the NBA college. I think he can make just with my last got beat on it. L minute about Michigan. And I don't wanna leave Michigan that that he might be the most underrated coach in college basketball, cook beeline. I mean, he what he does you're out every year with the player. He lose it to the NBA. And he comes back and is loaded again. But but I think I think about five km due to favorite. Charles. I wanna say thank you Charles Barkley here. Basketball Hall of Famer Turner sports NBA analyst being rented out this week and the next for the NCW tournament. I appreciate you doing this for me pal. It was so great to talk to you again. I know we've been meaning to to catch up for some time now, but I just wanted to really say thanks again for joining us today. I want to thank you for having me, and I want to them so happy. Quarrel. You. You're good do. And I'm I'm proud of you. And just keep doing your thing. My brother, I appreciate that. Charles Berkeley, everybody basketball Famer Turner, sports NBA, analysts basketball, fame, two thousand ten class pretty cool to be able to talk to to people like that. I liked his point around, the truthfulness part. Right. I mean, the shows kind of been about the truthfulness side of things and the transparency of stuff and he's right. I mean, you're going to say some things the difference. I think with him is that he doesn't say it to get clicks. He doesn't say it. To be outlandish. She just he's simply says the truth. It just so happens that there may be people that get upset with it. And sometimes the truth actually hurts. And that's where it goes to. He's been fun to watch in transition from his playing career to where he's at right now doing what he does. He is the absolute best, and he can get away with saying things that I think other people could never get away with saying, and it just shows to who is and what he's become in that role there sports. So we're gonna take a break here. Love to get back to some calls. I know the fans have been great you can reach us at eight four four two zero four rich eight four four two zero four seven four two four. You're listening to the rich Eisen show. We'll be right back. Okay. This is the thirty second commercial. And I'm gonna throw a lot of numbers at you. But please stay with me. And just fifteen minutes, you could say fifteen percent or more. On car insurance. 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I was in a prison cell five years ago at this time. And it's perfect example, if you're just willing to. Accept help ask for it. And then listen a lot of times people will ask for help from me in surrender. But they won't accept the help. That's offered because it's still want to do with their own way. My way doesn't work. Clearly, we've shown that to be the truth, right? My best thinking takes me to a prison cell. So I need mentors. I need people who have been successful. I go ask them how they did it. And then I follow them verbatim. I've done that. With Jay Glazer. I've done that with rich. I've done that with many other people in this business that is trying to help me. Because I want everybody to be successful. They can as a human being and doing what they wanna do. Because this is a lot of fun. Speaking of which we've got some callers. I know there's there's a young man from my home, my home my hometown too. But Tom from Ohio. Tom welcome to the show. Hey, Ryan first time talking to number one pick. So can check that off the book list couple years ago. My son was in high school, and he was a state championship caliber golfer. Every time you had to do a report that was on all Tom, or you know, Tiger Woods. Jack Nicklaus says it's time to step out of your comfort zone. I said do a report on Ryan leaf is Ryan who is it. Exactly. So he went researched it and ro a really good report. And it taught him that you can be at the top crash all the way to the bottom. Get yourself back up. Again. I said, you know, Jack Nicklaus never had a bad day Ryan leaf had a bad decade. So he thinks to this day for that that really taught him lights life lesson. He said if I'd done a report on Greg Norman, you know, I wouldn't got any further in life than than I am right now. So story help look good on you, rob for being that debt. I just became a father myself about seventeen months ago, and it's it's simply the greatest thing I think I'll ever do. And so I agree. I think the coolest thing down the line is that you know, as somebody in the state and age can be googled in my son's going to have to know about me. And when he's talked about at schools and stuff like that it there's a little man he looks like he's four right now. But I love him. I love him so much macgyver. Six eight with a cannon for arb-. Four kids myself, and I tried to you know, instill, those type of life lessons each one of them. Every thought they write me a handwritten note on the last time, you see anybody write anything by hand. Right. Right. Not text. And I keep them all. And when I when I'm buried. I'm gonna have him tucked in my pocket because they always told me, you know, thanks for being such good dead sacrificing, you know, didn't go golfing. Instead, it coached him in every sport they ever played and everything. So, you know, but no stories like yours are what I lean on. You can read about the champions all time. But I don't think you learn the ten percent is if you read a story like yours, I appreciate that. I thank you for the call. You know, continue to keep being a good debt. I'd love to maybe read that read that report he wrote if you want to reach me at Twitter at rien de lis you could send me a direct message. Maybe we can find a way for me to get it. That's that's that's awesome. We've got Ben in great falls my hometown book. Good. How are you? I'm good. Hey, why just wanted to give you a formal apology? I got stationed here in great falls in nineteen ninety that. And and you're doing a book signing, I believe in nineteen ninety eight at a local sports place. And I wore my Michigan t shirt, and I flipped you some crap for the Rose Bowl. And I didn't realize the time I'm five seven one eighty five and you stood up. And I was like this guy is not a quarterback. There's no way. This guy's got to be an offensive lineman and to this day. I always remember that in I've been here my whole career. I'm getting ready retired. I just wanted to kind of give you a formal apology. I appreciate everything that you've done for the sports community and being able to be pinnacle in this community and make a comeback. I I appreciate it been. No, all those great men and women that are that are stationed there. Monstrum air force base in great falls. I spent a lot of time playing basketball out there on the base when I was in high school and stuff like that. And. Yeah. I mean, hey, you make mistakes. We we move on from it growing up in that home town. It was difficult for me. But really really pleased with how I think both the town and myself come through all this. I'm actually going to be in great falls. May. I may second speaking to the public this'll this'll be my first formal speaking engagement in great falls. And I'm really looking forward to it just being able to give back to the community and also making a men's myself on that anything. So thanks for the call. That's pretty cool. Great falls. That's pretty cool. Great falls on the map. We'll go to another caller. We have Joe in dodge City, Kansas. Welcome to the show. Hey, thanks for taking my call a great talking to you. So real quick story. I was actually at the Kansas City game as a young chief's fan. Getting ready to celebrate. My eleventh birthday the week later had tickets to that chief chargers game that you so infant infamously had that awful game. And I remember being there being so excited. I got to see my favorite chiefs player Derrick Thomas get a sack, but you know, after you've gone through you really are an inspiration. And we I know everyone in the sports community. I don't think anybody has. They don't think we've ever pulled so hard for somebody to to make a comeback as it were. So congratulations to you. And keep up the good work. I wanted to give you guys, I'm I'm my bracket is named Joe. Stor 'Damas, and I'm giving you the upset picks that will happen. Liberty. Liberty will beat Mississippi State. Yale will not lose until they play Michigan state in the Sweet Sixteen. So that means they'd be okay. They be LSU, and they will be the winner of Maryland and Belmont or temple that's playing game. And then Murray state will lose a gun and Sweet Sixteen I'm tempted. You know living in Kansas, you either KU or K stay I'm neither accord husker fan. So I'm very tempted to pick UC Irvine. The ant eaters who have the most unique mascot of the tournament. I believe over Kansas state in the first round. But I think case they get by them. But those are my picks. I got Duke winning at all. I just don't think anybody has an answer for Williamson. If anyone's going to beat him, it's gonna be Michigan state. But I don't see it happening over north. I got I got do over North Carolina national title game. Perfect. Thanks for the call. Joe? As we can tell right. Every year time how bracket all people are excited. I'm gonna fill this out. I'm probably gonna give onto my fiancee who hasn't watched one game, and she'll probably do better than I will on mine, but you can you can fill one out and join our bracket challenge, we have about a we have about a minute left and all the listeners out there all the viewers on the audience channel. Directtv Brockman del tufo, everybody who allowed me this opportunity this awesome. As has been this has been great real nervous started out. But I really ended up just doing what I thought I was going to do. And that was to look across the table. See my dad and talk about sports, and that's the coolest thing to be able to do something like that now. So I also want to St. Laven Fox Sports analysts as well. As Jay Glazer, my friend, FOX NFL analyst and insider. 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There's been a few other obviously between maximum security again a different kind of story but what about tax tax was another one right that got up to win the Jim Dandy and so I've been a good year for for claiming success and and taking taking claims to to stake races Tommy proctor looking forward to talking to time about the win by Caribou Yearbook Club and you know Tom has won so many big races and and certainly with the Glenn Hill you think about the Glendale he'll mayors mostly a lot of times on the grass going long and this one though to win international when I looked it up I said wait a minute as proctor one one and I was surprised that the time had not won a DC international another outstanding staked add to the big collection and and the big man joins US Tommy proctor good morning congratulations. Thank you appreciate it. We were at Philadelphia and was I was watching it. I saw go in the gate and the the silks are so distinctive you know they didn't have the audio on but I knew right away that it was Caribou club getting that outside stalking tripping talk about winning a DC international well we can't him brother. Maybe we were joking and Craig's exist I don't think anybody's ever win the lower thirty in the DC international same horse. I sure would he hadn't how about that. I'll tell you what you you're going to send us into the record books well. It's funny. I E Wendy Laurel Fraternity. It was five five and a half on the grass you know of course trying to get the racist coughed up after being Kinda for twenty years so but it was just kind of funny. You know you gotta get giggle out of it anyway so well he he's been good. I mean so you've had you had a couple of different a couple of different occasions. I mean the trip to the trip to May Dan. I mean the feel that that ah that that was not worth not worth it in retrospect or not. Well you know the whole deal in California have the China this horses overcome them screwed him up. You know he was definitely you know there was racism then they wouldn't run and they quit running down the hill and the trip by Dan was really because we couldn't run in California kept cancelling the race and you know the maze in how things will make you make bad decisions sometime. In May Dan he'd have been fine but I I thought as going to the desert to run on the turf and I figured I'd get firm turf that Hail. They wander decor per day. It was soggy course I've run on over here other than but Breeders Cup last year so that's how that worked out interesting and you know he he's certainly a horse. It is versatile. You bring up you. Bring up the downhill. Course I mean I it's six and a half but it really plays longer and ah he's he's a miler essentially yeah well you know last year you win the state down the hill and you asked me if I ran him in the Breeders Cup where I'd rather run and a my plan was down the hill all year you know powers to be decided after all these gear that it's unsafe to run down the hill we we know what we think those powers to be and you know well. There's let that slide yeah because it it's just it's such a different equation. Ask Horses you know to to sprint a sharp. You know five five and a half I it's it's a different horse. It's a different equation. I mean there are some horse. There's a you know one thing about it or good. Screener can do it in in a good miler to do it. stormy liberal has no problem running five eight or five and a half California flag was that type that won the Breeders Cup run five but it definitely puts a lot more horses in pledge well a coming off that trip to mountaineer ear where he went the the Mile Seventy win the speakers cup Fergal Lynch and really he's got to be applauded Tom. I thought he gave it was like a it was like bumper bumper pool. He absolutely timed the move perfectly yeah. He's actually road in good an ad they run and fast together. E set the American record in that race mindset track record and this one which you know the American records Kinda funny because it's a Mile Alad seventy. Where do they run that Park Delaware floral yeah? It's only thank up but it's still a lotta horses run run faster than anybody just like a a lotta horses run a mile on the turf at Laurel so now this was this was really a beautiful trip and you know he he moved on the turn and ensnare the leader at the time mccague and glorious empire and at the same time if he moves earlier he probably ends up susceptible to frontier market who was running late. You know only thing is you know he's got outside blinker so he probably went and seeing those horses. you know why they price me about this race. If I've always thought he had is good a three six tenths of a mile our run is anybody in the country and he wins a lot of rights 'cause when he makes his move he makes it like now and he's very handy and and he's got that little quick I thought he had a big bigger. Sustain run their day more like three eight which is unusual and he did flow little bit the wire but he's only saying horses went by. Where does this leave you with him because he is he on a par with the top turf milers in your mind well? Maybe we'll see it's my decision because I don't think he has points to get into Breeders Cup but he's also set two track records showed okay. These numbers were good. you know we'll see he's a fast horse and he's win. Seven stakes and you know circe am knocking the earnings earnings are careening upward. Let's see what did he make. what do you make excite by six seventy. Now you know twenty times the his records pretty good on a firm turf going mile or six and a half mile and a sixteenth speaks pretty good horses if you go back so you know I think he deserves to run but one day okay. I you know I didn't ask. They're not GONNA ask me to pick the field well it and the mile. The mile always draws a big crowd. Yes yes have you toy just the peop- might be Pisa a dozen lines. Have you got any further with him. Distance wise is if you tried them a little longer just a smile in sixteen. It's not worth. It's not worth writing down. Maybe down the road you you know you might try go a little farther. He's a city zip so I always thought he was a sprinter is mother was a screener Meyler. She wind going a mile but she he also win the Mattie twice but you know maybe as he matured now the race the other day made me think about it a a little more relaxed so well into fast pace and sustain run that I hadn't seen him before well. You WanNa talk about a sustained run of success. This is of course you mentioned the mother broken dreams. We Talk How many times we talk about her. Tommy over the over the years ver- of her nice career and before her she was a daughter of our dreamer yeah well you know like I said every time I run this first thing in any wins and everything I think Mr Lamb and and I also think you know he had the six day and everything and I think that baseball the bad horses the fair because each family didn't have by Brunner's they had one or two run by bad points what well and it's funny. You say that because it's it's it's a weird situation. Caribou club was was broken dreams. His first foal and the things haven't gone as well for her since him yeah. Well you know I've got a three year. Old now can run but he he liked the family. They all tend to. You know that he's he's aren't the best in you gotta gotTa manage take care of them and let them grow up so so he was the first foal five and then she didn't have a four year old but the three year old acts likes well. She did have a four year old but he was slow he might as well not existed. you know the three year old might be okay and then we've got a yearling filly. That's all right and then we have a curling wingless looks nice nice and who was she bred back to you got me there. I was pretty good well. We'll find out we'll find out for all right. We'll find out from Craig. Well the you're under a little bit of pressure with the brother because fly the W with with with burn vertex cubs mania kind of like they are a boasted a w rallied he did he did finish second in the debut so we'll have and he's and you gelded. You made the decision to Yes well Tom but a couple the notes you've you've really had kind of a I'm not gonNA call it. A It's not a down year but bad year win in and never could've hey it hadn't rained on a drier field. Let's be honest. It's bad year but you know kind of counting on some two year. Olds and there be in two year old so you know get back to your old. If you take care of them you'll have arose but it's been a bad year and it's nice to win a race. you know that's the way it goes well. You haven't really sent out very many starters just to be honest. I it just a hundred hundred and fifteen starts. That's kind of my stables dwindled. I've got older. You know how that goes. When you get older the people forget you can train your horse but we're not going to be that old crappy guy you know he's hanging in there trying to win when we well speaking of trying to win when you can what about coming up on Friday three sided story a warfront philly making her third start yeah yeah? She's a Nice Philly. She's got she's a war front which they tend to be a little they wanna come around a little later so I'm thinking we're going to run this fairly one more time then give her a little time. I think she only better every year old her race. The other day at colonial was pretty good kind what is looking for so another step up would be good and then get her a couple of months off and have her for next year the the pretty nice. I'd like to see your step up up a little more though and I think she will well. She's out of a out of a cool more Galileo mayor and so they're feels like you know there's there's a quality about or on the page anyway yeah yeah one of the worst things I've ever said. My Life is when I had marketing and band I got leap back to those Galileo's. They come over from Europe Matto Craig. We had to get a budget for Galileo that was that was a mistake. The first one we bought without store get married and he could run the rest of them the statement that every everybody's everybody's got a few of those. I love it the Tommy I'm just happy to get a chance to call you and these international you know one of those kinds of races that you know somebody like you think to have on the resumes grew up reading the Maryland Horse and you know Calcio Bald Eagle Beau purple isn't it means a little something to window races and then you know maybe they're not what they used to be but it's still canonized to have that that she wanted my jump back up still and this might be the start of it getting in providence well and stronach group has had you know has been trying to try to do that. They've been trying to upgrade and get it back back into the kind of position that it that it had for for many years I mean it was it was a big target yeah. There's a lot more grass racing these days but at the time I mean for many years right it was that when you think about that rights and the rights they had at Atlanta Atlantic city and stuff like that those were racist he went for like I said you know I grew up. It was bowled Purple Airport Bald Eagle Kelso gun bow. You know 'cause I was Kinda. Horse's teeth remember running in this race in their sixty. You know you made me think of one other thing is we started talking about turf racing and the Arlington million comes to mind Tom. What are you what are you what's your view of this situation with Arlington liked and the potential that there may not be in Arlington in the near future well the IT's pretty bad? It's been a disaster for a long time and it just has never and I don't know it's just bad and I probably put you know I just don't like really what they now ownership there has done you know they kind of got all horsemen's backing whether that Wytheville pass they're not to get all the slots and then you know pretty much said well started. You know we're not gonNA have raising her. We're not GonNa have casino that. It helped tracks. You know I'm I'm not there so I say to just a bad shane. You know we're looking at a place that was special to me. Outweighing the races air and I really liked Arlington and even you know would consider having a fable there with have no problem because always when I write kit Arlington was there in the summer I always got ballot a good horse. The weather's good surface we could turfs good in our thought. When I went to Chicago I would come out of there with a horse there to good fraud and that's important when you go like that he ended up you leave there you have and they don't have the biggest jack now a lot of your I think about a lot of lot of your wins a poor forum Arlington classic and the one one the Arlington Matron with Indie groove and the Arlington Washington Washington futurity and your your your career and of course being tied to being tied to Mr Laven Avenue and Glen Hill and Craig Chicago a lot of years a lot of good seasons the rate of an Arleigh like we always I developed some really nine horses there and and it's a shake it really is you know we're talking about a major city? That is a major market more just to let rates in the guy. you know unfortunately I'm. I think a lot of are these people that are in play have a lot of say I'm more qualified to meaning of them to do. It and I should be doing any of it. That's how I feel about. You know a lot of these decision making scary. That's the PROB very scary to watch and people that like you whose whole life is tied to the game feel the same way and I the the pro. One of the most alarming parts of Tom is that to hear you say that and and to get the sense that there's a lot of people that feel just sort of powerless to to change any directions yeah you know I always looked up to the horse trainers and you know you think about it. You know the good trainer Alain Jerkin Charlie waiting. Damn you know I looked up to my father. These guys were horsemen. Owners were horseman but what we really lost businesses this Chino Jimmy Chiro Tommy Trotter under guys that ran race track guys at work for the horses for the horsemen for the race track. We is not have those guys and play right now. Bobby young freeze great rates at the secretary. You just go you know we don't have the guys around anymore and maybe they would be around and the way that day is now dislike. Some of those trainers would not be play with the wipe. The game is sal because we really don't have that many horsemen owning horses so it's Kinda sad always a pleasure to have Tom proctor on this show and Tommy. I'm anxious to anxious to hear how how much progress you've made stronach guitar. Oh I'm telling you we had a day off here. Friday you got kudos host. made a motion. They have this real Ryder Cup right. Yeah it played a few songs but we had a fan there. It couldn't have been any better I played a few songs by myself a few with him but it couldn't have been nicer event and made them more did a great job. The horse show good the riders were good. We had a bunch of young girls dancing around afterwards it would be great Dale Guy to show up next year because I think it will only get bigger it wiscon- of a lot of fun was a great event and then the more she yeah proud and oh you know this was a good good the thing that was fun a lot of fun. I delighted that you went of course at Fair Hill and the third year of the Real Ryder Cup we add Maggie Kim it last last week to talk about it and I know that they raised I the last count I saw mid week. They were over fifty thousand and I'm sure they raised more by a Friday and into the weekend we'll have to give everybody the results you know D- How about the team up with Dale Dale and with Geo Incipient I don't play I'm more of a rock and Roller crack there. Everybody Buddy the one and only the great one topic. Thanks so much all right. I'll talk to you down the road down the road. Tom proctor folks always a treat and all right. I was trying to be nice and I didn't want to say it's been a down year but Tom. You know you don't get too. Many punches pulled by Tom proctor doctor. He's the greatest what what a treat t proctor racing. If you're not following him on twitter you should be is what one one of my one of our first first major guests going way way back. Take a break here. 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It was hot weekend Saturday and Sunday in Philly in fact today when I went to see Tina every morning asks me what's the temperature today and when I pulled it up I still had Philadelphia set and and ninety three today in Philly after ninety yesterday and eighty nine on Saturday. It's it's like summer all over again so career figure Johnny. Maybe get out there a little Maybe a little eighteen hours later Johnny de Good Morning Lou Orient Royat nice to hear you made it home. last time I saw you disappeared in the crowd off the broad street subway and you we're going home we did and it made it home. In fact lead foot lead foot Barbie I terrorize the New Jersey turnpike yesterday uh-huh pretty funny she was she was like a maniac and we were by ten o'clock that was with a a stop stop the and to watch the end of the giant game to watch the Jones kid the heroics and we always had some of our own roic and we certainly had aerobics on the racetrack Saturday Johnny. What a fun weekend this is my sixth straight and we've just we've turned it into a a fall ritual gluten question but some have been out whole with the NFL NFL to get the the the game on the same day the Pennsylvania Derby each year how you've got off? It'd be ready at someone uh-huh shown office doing that for you and I know he's got someone in the NFL schedule makes us on office. I know it is it is unusual yeah yeah it was a disheartening loss. You know a little bit tempered by I it would have been a suicidal loss of loss suicidal proportions except that they were they were really short manned and there were a lot of injuries the week before that they were short on the roster of players. The star players went out very yesterday and that affects that affects a passing team when two of your best wide receivers and are playing in the game one of them probably a hall of fame possibility so I I bet that but still you can't allow a team to run back took off versus as long and you can't turn the ball over twice but those a- you lose the turnover battle zero the odds of you winning the game are astronomical and that we were walking the field goal in the final second running honey. You're all the way back down to around twenty yard line because the penalty white which took it back to the fifty or so and we just I couldn't get the job done from there I mean and and normally I would say what good teams find a way to win. Those kinda games good teams find ways to win like Peng win when things go against them excuse me about how well you know a horse good worse and if you want an example of that there's no more Glenn than if you watch arrogant in the Dubai you by World Cup that is an example of how a gray horse overcomes adversity and that's what that's what you know in an aggregate type yolly crime. This was a game that you're supposed to win and the eagles I I had a chance good teams block last May convert. They get the job done. They get the three points at minimum attended. You know assembling overtime or they get seven point. They will find ways to win. Those Amigos couldn't do it short man fine but being short me and nothing to do with the guy running back and kickoff that's down that has nothing to do with the Georgia man and then two two turnovers that has nothing to do with being short man and running back. He's GonNa hold onto the football. It costs it up and back GonNa hurt you get the NFL games come down to five plays. These teams are most of them are so evenly matched so much parody that games come down to four five ways. That's why it's so crazy when you bet on these kids out of the Finnish turns out the game hinges three four five plays and if you go back to the U looking and they game but you'll be able to spot those those plays anyways it was again not a suicide law even though some people claim that it was a bus for the game. I don't know how to be a swing game third week of the season. I don't quite get that one because by the time you get to lately December early December early December. It seems like everybody brought about seventy five or eighty four so everybody around him mark and when you begin to stretch that's one so I hope that this year I get it done or better team the Detroit but they played better than the joint yesterday. We still had fun. It was it was a smeltering would have thought it was mid July the kind of weekend we had and backing up through the weekend Johnny we WanNa thank will Schwartz of course again as always for hosting US and and taking teen and I and also picked up brunch which there was no excuse I I I in fact I I had I had sponsors all weekend. Now that I think about it I Tony Tony Black took and Kylie Takara Me Tina on on Saturday. You took care of us on Saturday night and we'll I went three for three well. You know you think because we like you joy the only because a AH alligators bill now they want to go home. You know they've been there all night. They go home and the checks in the middle of the table and you just like you know you look like outdoor chats over all the Carbon Roy thought join you guys I love to have you come visit. We had a fantastic dinner nonsol- a pasta and it was just it was just great if you're in the area not far from parks if you had to raise some day run over there and grab some roots in the town Pennsylvania Morrisville four civilians Ville Morrisville or townsend over by amboise allegedly yet Morrisville and not far from the track and a great great meal we love it there and then on Sunday Brunch yeah you are a little slow the card table but uh uh this is unfair. I want the Waco Kid I well. He's been much the answer. I don't know thirty years and you know it's funny because when will pick up the check and and Steve We've actually tried but will know you guys you. Guys are my garage. You came to town. You don't so glad to have you here. notices I'm great. We're GONNA join a game everything and then I looked at him I do. I have to pinch from out the town. I'm here all the time so not been a great pal per generous person and he as a guy. He's Dr Harder to needle soon as you age takes these days. They heard him really do they in writing these losses and he spy when you get a little bit of the news so I mean that's not we do we look for in It was a lot of fun and the subway portion of the one of correct. We were in a good air conditioning but I saw the win. Some of those people were packed into those cars like paddle and there was a lot of sweating what is somewhat yeah no doubt no doubt as Tina team said it was going to be a to shower day and it was serhiy we got home at ten o'clock at the at the get into the shower and I tell you it's actually thinking about it's Saturday was as as well that was a day that you know if if if ever there was going to be people johnny producing excuses for not coming out it would have been Saturday. Oh it's going to be too hot own. Maximum security scratched in the meantime Philadelphia Park puts on a show on that day that is on a par with any racetrack. The place was packed. They had a wonderful backyard the picnic scene going on they you know the the building itself was was full. The apron packed they gave away hats which is always popular or like the the Haskell giveaway and and then the racing I mean that was as good a card top to bottom yeah the one of congratulate the Oh wellings Kevin I tired the one pumpkin rumble who came back came back home to Pennsylvania. PA bread and that was a that was a nice performance as the favourite the English Channel son wins the alphabet soup. trace of grace wins that plump pretty and then the open company races paraded from there and the maiden races were excellent bruise you parks for the great job and then they've actually they've improved goods race day so we kind of touched on this day because we the books comparing but they've definitely improved each each of these races overly each of these presentations over the years how they're getting better and better and better and they turned it into you know an area event Pennsylvania and to echo what you said about the picnic area they I have not I don't know if I quit the mamas picnic. Oh but it's kind of a similar vibe we've got a lot of families and you've got pick tables and you've got people spreading out blankets and and enjoying himself and in addition to that they had they had some mummers there. I don't know if you've got to see oh. I didn't see the mummers I love. I love the mummers some of the mummers they're also keeping also had band there that was that was really good. I heard a pop songs heard them walking in and then I wanna go see what you you know what what the setup was and they were really good and and playing fabulous movie. He's in the mummers were doing string ain't blame the band and people were doing the mummers strike. I mean we're GonNa hold the happening thing going on Gallup that Coren of the grandstand proper sense where the picnic area and then of course you've got your you know your level of the Grand Dam where the main level was impact and really good turn up the product was crowded. It was more five deep around the paddock. It was a great thing and I think I think a lot of people were advantage over weather instead of a weather actually driving them away they could actually help because it's such a beautiful in my day once the learner war but not I mean more temper but it was it was really nice really nice and it was good to see that was difficult to park on the race track for the first time instead of on the casino side where usually you can't park but on the way track party but that wasn't the case Saturday so that was great it was good couple of couple of racin notes and coming out of this you know I I don't I don't know I I when it comes to the phillies. Let's start there. Does I suppose Dunbar Road we have to now wait for her for her performance next but in a what is the what did that do to the the three year old filly scene and then of course for the boys race. I just put up. I just put up the third graphs because I want the people who say oh this was this was an impossible result in ID come up with that of course you look at those third rap sheets the whole field was separated by two lengths and and all five had healthy patterns coming in as it happens and that that was not some you know crazy result and of course street street band thinking about it now thinking about johnny how Dave Greg scully into Rosa and nick tomorrow all just lauded street bands Janssen here you know with the speed and then the way the race unfolded. What's your take on the the last major three-year-old three-year-old route opportunities of the year as far as far as phillies? you know I mean looking at the race going into it. I think the pace kind of the vote the way you thought it might with with Jaywalk going from the outside and Sarah again the empress from the inside. I mean if you're if you're if you jaywalks connections you've gotta go. He's got no choice out eleven. Only he's gotta go once you get her running. She's not going to slow down and saying that the emperor she's got one way to go so the Pacers you said handicap the race and it's kind of the way developed and and the question was obviously Gerona. How good you think around how good you sit around? That's that's really the handicapping decision I had to make and could she come from off the pace like she did you know in the acorn which is set trip uh-huh yes. She puts it the trip but apparently she wasn't quite he human up to get the job done against an up and coming philly like street band and you know I mean she had the credentials. It's not like it's not like it was a major upset and I mean the Sophie Doyle don't factor may have bothered some more choirs. She's probably worth even though she's Whitney's filly well in the past she's an no no either as far as the national sage goes on Energie started work for point or two and odd because people just don't know her but she she gave his Co.. She wrote she wrote this Philly like she owned her. I mean she's his lag lead back and the hot pace develop upfront and Gerona wasn't quite up to the task and steep fan lagged and moved up not on non round everyone but moved ups ups like split horses as she she started to gain on the field then swung wide and going back to the lane. That's the only way you can you describe it. She was lengthened her stride. When the others you know had had had enough and Garonne was just not not capable of quicken at that point she was back that bottom line in the she really you now they say it was not a shock and a mild surprise but if you look at her credentials she said we'll take a closer so look at the you know what I mean you know now? She's GonNa probably go to the to the Breeders Cup and and give that a shot. Let's see where it should be. talk too much about the division picture because this was a little bit of a surprise the only other one may be worth mentioning Bella Fina. you know Joe Walk walk the walk especially because she was a two year old filly John she just didn't p. to progressive three. She just didn't to get you know that much faster that much better at three and that sometimes happened we you never never know how or is it going to happen in her case. You KINDA got a glimpse of eight when she came back in the long they are really short price twenty cents to the dollar and then fire. We're kind of at that point. Go Up and you say we'll wait a minute ears. It's the case of a TU turning three jobs hasn't made that Progressive Staff and you always want to look for that and by the same token at this time of the year one look for some late developers who maybe you're getting good like like like a switch over to the boys race like Mr Money he good it got a year who didn't have a sterling to neuro career. We'll talk about the winter later but you know someone who's Kinda coming on now and the wasn't around the two year old so you get these you have to take age aged development considerations indicating skiing so I I think that's about it for Philly rates. I mean you got op pace early. You got the closer winning saying yeah I mean I think that race made sense we could put in the Pennsylvania Berbie here we go down. There was a winning awards last weekend I mean I don't know why I can't remember these days. Now somebody winner they price last weekend we making the case for saying how it's been that price that should have been fifteen to one long instead of thirty two one Ooh L. Tormenta in the woodbine mile. Yeah Yeah exactly okay. I'm from my so. Here's another case where you have a worse winning at a massive price. That's really didn't deserve to be that you're talking about a six or field with a with a maybe I did not deserve thirty one ships the one on revised morning why at run Senate races not you wouldn't say Washington favored or anything like that but representative racing against the fact that Mr Money had beaten. I misheard the last few times that certainly were the big any gap in fact that'd be pushed to the middle of the class certainly but Martha rear end of a crab. I think what happened is here in Mr money talk a massive amount of money. He was a favourite early on on and through much of a wage where he was favored over improbable and an improbable. We had a worse with gator shoes who one a four horse race at go more on the summer. you know he certainly had great credentials it off the boards to be but not you know rock solid thirty one on just got away just got away and got lost in the shuffle. You have war will the previous winner who took money somebody choices. Nobody I mean I I looking back I. I can't say I would like to horse but not thirty along thirty one or two bigger price. This happens all the time in the wagering but they shouldn't in the thing that's funny about this is is this was essentially a five horsfield because of course the the maiden was a joke so it's a five horsfield and granted anted. He's going to be the most likely the fifth choice but there was no reason for him to be thirty one to one and spun to run fifteen two to do seven and a half to one and they were. I use them both as I mean I I did something so stupid. I was embarrassed for myself. I advi. I used both of them as CS and had a backup ticket and I don't ask me why street band was a be when when she should would have been a an a I mean I I it was just I just unbelievable to. It's a I don't know what I thought I was saving money. Wise going to buy to ooh by three by two and I mean it's just idiotic I could tell by two by two unbelievable the for nine hundred dollars. It was the pick four paid. I mean I just was nauseous pays for the weekend. well actually actually the way you I would have gone home wouldn't pay for anything that you need to take two point the kid because number it's the point about making a mistake feeling bad and all all that it is unusual really should feel bad because I players never make mistakes why it ever made a man out this now. This was what what's funny is what you've got us. Boy We talk about and how to best ball fields and I I use the one and and it's run together. You know as season because I I thought they absolutely had chances to win and you know for instance I only land and King Jack. They were the only two horses you needed. As as in in the gallant Bob nobody else was winning that race and then then you know cold front. I personally was sort of thinking Golden Brown had maybe an upset chance so I used him and I went to buy to buy three I mean and I I had my heart set for some reason on Harare Logistics and she ran great John Mazza and and the the ownership team should be thrilled. They get a grade one placing acing with Harare but she followed up monmouth oaks and ran a courageous race that'd be third in their behind Goran and street ban but I I just I was a little myopic on on that and by only I only had street band is A. B. I just it was it was incredibly dumb because I absolutely thought spun to run or math wizard could upset and and I wanted to be in position if they did and and for some reason you know to save the save twelve dollars to dumbest thing ever I mean smart and the shoppers were who believe it's one to run and not you know punchy here. Put Him on the ticket. That's waters you to do that. Is How foolish you are MRS for. That's what makes you put forward to try just to make make them hard. You've gotta be correct six races cyber. It's it's difficult really but you're right. what is what does this do. What does this do now? Ah Did that three year old picture and you know th there's going to be felt bad that we felt bad certainly for the West that that maximum security colic the to the extent that he did and and frankly was lucky not to have to be operated on but you know he can't be the beneficiary of staying in the clubhouse. You know ad infinitum point however well so so far you travis though he lied took a hit in the travelers said winning travers Kotabato that put thing in axiom security. Excuse me what code of honor dog is GONNA to decide. Maximum Security State Code of honor runs well jockey carbon copies if they go to they go that route whatever whatever his dog to tell the story I am. I couldn't because this race really did affect on it. Because you know improbable audible who had he he won by five dominating effort he might have jumped in the MIC. Warrenville with this under his is belt. If he had won by two three certainly he would have been in the talk mister money. If he continued his run winning his role they all had the opportunity and they all probably much eagles. Certainly they fumbled it away. It had the chance and now they've gone much security by the sick. Cj as you say how long can it last essay in the clubhouse so far he's dodging overboard but Colorado's a big board at the boy with their 'cause that always looks like he's coming not only his own but somebody else is going to I mean he wanna Travis very nicely and what he does is gonNA decide because if you go in with a resume of the other side winning the second half of the season that's GonNa be enough. I think to overtake the the winner of the first half of the season well. That's what I believe happened in this division well. We'll we'll wait for the jockey club Gold Cup and the code of honor at Tacitus. Take tacitus pass this funny. He's he's a funny case. What if tacitus what Tacitus wins the Jockey Club Gold Cup and the classic what what what do we do that what happens in house he he's pretty old wounds the Jockey Club Gold Cup and the classes? They're going to be champion Larry Yeah. That's that's. That's you know without a doubt and I even I think even if code of Honor Wings Jockey Gold Cup doesn't mean the classic it's GonNa be. It's GonNa get very tight and he might win. because Travers Jockey Club gold cover pretty good you wrestled original resumes not not bad it's not great but not bad maximum-security who you know Oh Mama and the comeback race and then one is there for some people look for who me he's everywhere I go to my grave. No it doesn't but he was then. We're any of those going to beat you know so my mind Derby winner country out for me not that wintering no officially yet so that's the first thing that you can take the second game but I think I think he co Vina's only one lap. If some other the three what's out there which I don't even know who else would be running in there some other three win the Cup classics besides passes were code of honor. Would that be enough. Maybe I don't know who that would be. You know it's brought brought code of honor the only one we're casting because you mentioned we're to pull that four double you know people are waiting for the white along capacitors which is operatives because I completely had enough of now's your chance one the team the johnny what else what else order I got a couple of other items of you know. I know you hit. The Gulfstream. Rainbows that is concerned for the listeners is not for you forget about it. You're out one point eight million dollars Tarot this. We gotta you know look. I know what I know all about it. I know all about it by chance for a little guy to play with. Little money is not the single ticket but the big guys are going to be chasing it. If you get pictures winners twenty cents a pop you can do pretty well if you should sippy shipping vic six minutes that's all I'm saying the mandatory payout by the way it's GonNa be Sunday. It is yeah that's what I red. I don't need you also but that's what I read friend so that's the case and the one point eight million gets the girl a little bit this. We do something yeah also all and I know I know you don't want look. Don't talk to me about it. It wasn't Komo play play play when play when they're going to distribute it on Sunday. The bigger opportunity is the stronach five carryover. It was my that's now. You're talking the one on seven thousand dollars carryover. Yes trying to thrive which we all know on Friday and then we'll be back in the picture point of grace's do their stake races on Friday so maybe they'll be super quality yeah. This could be nice sequence. Yes so that's an interesting Friday and then on Sunday he's got the mandatory take out of the Gulf stream the sex and then the other note I had was a three year old certainly and we talked about that so I've pretty much had enough of new Burger next month now weekend today outstanding Ooh I wanna see what the I could have sworn I saw yeah the American Pharaoh and the Chandelier and the Eddie D on opening day Friday at Santa Anita I'm I see that I see that the blood horse stakes schedule which is what I print out the they they haven't gotten the memo about the the downhill course Are they going to change the name of the Eddie d the The the Eddie was half. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA change it to. You've got some sprinters who was who's good at five furlongs voted any distant there you exactly what what a fabulous writer to watch what a great guy one of the one of the members of an outstanding jockey to him Jeff's class from top to bottom like wing of the whole thing was there and such a pleasure to be a member of the media for part of the time and then in in various other job that needed it was just an absolute pleasure well in addition since since jockeys on the west coast came up. I want to mention Ed. I really should reach out to Tony. Matthaus Tony's got the seven pound apprentice that people we'll have been watching this year out there the son of Juan Carlos Diaz from Puerto Rico this JCD as junior. Have you watched this kid can ride. This is going to be this is he came out of the same school. As Franko in the Ortiz is and you know the same same pedigree and his father fathers are arguably the greatest the Puerto Rican jock and Puerto Rico mystery I I saw Tony Mad person summer. not breach tuna del Mar and bump into Tony had a great conversation courts. He's a fantastic jockey. He's been around for decades. handled Angel Daryl. I believe it gives you some idea. I won't Kony Been Hukou Book. pink is that so many great riders over the years Tony Post. It's from Puerto Rico so he connections are beat. There and let's just put it this way. He doesn't follow any and be wagging. Excuse me a phony brings a rider. Here's Brennan from Puerto Rico you know he's been right so yes in watching the weekly ride and and we'll get to see a mork and what's funny is this has been a history type. Thing California racing has never been a big bug bug riot. It's never if if your bug Ryder did well in California you can ride because the trainers don't really aren't aren't really concerned about weight that much. Perhaps I don't know why why don't why east coast really place. If you look at all the pop bug writers there's over the years very few over the decades very hugh clips award winners. Whatever very few comes from the West Coast majority of the company East Coast? I don't know if that's because the proximity racetracks you can ride you know many if you'd like to Track Day then you're bug riders win a bunch of racist please but California horsing just never really very readily that she embraced the bug so if you see a uh-huh get hot and it seems stark appear on you know four or five miles a day especially in this climate schwarting fields and and let's raise you pick your head up because that means horseman of recognize that the kid can ride and they'll bring in some sources for you well. He wrote that horse on was on Friday that again I we're driving down and that's the beauty of I'm going to milk this. I boy as as long as I can and so the teen is driving down and I saw that that nightcap had low sow on on Friday and a a an older maiden name a two year old maiden but baffled sent out speed pass and put the kid on put on and I think it's the first time I've noticed that that that baffled used them but he's he's he's writing. He's writing a lot for Vowel Brinkerhoff pretty much. Everything Brinckerhoff is getting seven pounds. He had had a mount this week for for Dave Houghton. Just looking at Dave Hoffman's Peterson Jeff Mets Sal Gonzales Charlie Tree Peter Miller actor Palmer and greg the Lasi. I use them this past week so this kicking right temperature in the room changes when when we moved from Los L. Sandinista the temperature in the room changing its forget now while guy arrived yet loselle. Tell me he might not ride the when he's been selections become a little more varied so you know let's keep an eye on them. Watch it out WHO's writing later he out food demand there and that'll that'll tell the story Johnny de Eddie a bad be bad bad defense. You named Johnny. Thanks so much it was just again another wonderful filly weekend doubleheader that we now have come to expect in and just enjoy so much. Thank you all I can say it's always a pleasure to exactly one thing. That's one thing Johnny Sterling agree on. We're going to take a break. Larry Jones is gonNA join us next and I know people were hoping earlier in the fall or late summer. They'd get soapy. We'll get sophie doyle on this week to WanNa when he gets sophie but Larry I to talk about street band and another another philly in the long line of Larry Jones oaks oaks quality oaks. Ask runners. It's astounding what what he's what what he's done not that he isn't as effective with with colts and geldings but my God it's crazy street band castilian Larry Jones Jones joins us after this then joe sharp who also sent out an oaks winner. Maybe unbeknownst Assam another horse. That was an overlay back after this at the races continues a little more than an hour on this Monday

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"Yes. Hers outta show Roseanne here on ESPN LA Kirk Morrison. Our guest co host today always happy to have him in studio. Now, we gotta talk about Clemson go and shook night, and we gotta talk about cliff Kingsbury, but we're going to do my buddy friend new. He's my friend. He is now going to become a friend of the program because of that Adam Amine joins us year. He is a star. He is one of the play by play voice is at. Yes. Bien literally everywhere on ESPN radio on television. Every sport college football, NFL, NBA, you name it. He does it women's college basketball. He's everywhere and Nathan's. Nathan. When does he sleep George letter, we sleep when do you sleep that? Tonight, man like this. I'm still have I'm back in my own apartment. My my game on Thursdays in south bend. So it's like an hour and a half drive. I can do the game and go back home. I've got two weeks off after that. You're not gonna I'm happy to be a new friend of the program. But you're not gonna know I exist for. Today. So you did the ESPN two field pass yesterday. You and Steve Levy know, John Vilma was kind of involved there too as well. It was a great job. It was my favorite of all the broadcast not a shot at Fowler and Hervey, I just enjoyed your broadcast more. I could be biased, and that's fine. Before I get to the game because I do wanna get to the game. And all the stuff that transpired there. The Kingsbury news, obviously is rocked LA. Because now US's like what do we do? What was your reaction to the Kingsbury thing? Him going to the cardinals. Now. I was a little surprised just in general because I feel like this is an interesting trend that we're looking at right now. Matt leflore just took the head coaching job with the Packers a guy who isn't necessarily a proven commodity just yet guy had a great season in LA couple of years ago, or I would have been last season twenty seventeen as as a QB coach, Sean they didn't have a great year as the OC in Tennessee this season, point wise. I think there were twenty six to twenty seven in points. I feel like everybody's looking for the next, Sean. And I as great of a coordinator, Sean has been remember he's been doing this since he was in his mid twenties, and he's doing it at a high level. And obviously it's worked out great where it's a great combination of elements. Great great young quarterback that vibes with the head coach. I see it in Chicago right now, though, Matt Nagy is a little bit older and more experienced but a first time head coach with a young quarterback the team bible with him. I feel like that's what a lot of GM's now. And a lot of organizations are. Facing? They're chasing the hot young commodity who has some kind of track record with quarterbacks who they feel can vibe with a potentially young group of players. And this isn't AirAsia team that could have young quarterback is their franchise player for the next couple of years in Josh Rosen. They've done a lot of drafting on the offensive side of the ball. And they've done the same thing on the other side. So I'm assuming that's kind of what teams are looking for. That's what the jets were. Maybe looking for. We got a young guy in Sam darnold. We've got a young core that maybe we can build up with a young head coach who's hot who's got a little bit of a swag to him. I think that's what maybe a lot of teams are searching for right now. And I don't know if that's necessarily what's going to win you gain. John McVeigh is is a little bit of a supernova right now. And it's not that doesn't necessarily mean that that's the wool that might be exception that proves the rule that you still need head coaching experience at this level or some coaching experience at this level to success. Awful at it. I'm curious to see how it plays out. Because of what this trend is looking like, but I think the big thing Adam is that one school is still left at the altar now, and what do they do, and that's USC and they've got to figure out the offense coordinator situation, and I know you've seen this program throughout the season. But were they go now, and especially because last night you saw it with Trevor Lawrence the true freshman waited he played leading his team to a national championship. That's what USC fans expected of JT Daniels their true freshman quarterback. And now he has he's going to be on his second offense coordinator and possibly new head coach at the end of the season. And so now, what are you look at USC with this hired of clay of cliff cleans berry going to the NFL. Yeah. And and this leaves a major hole all of a sudden 'cause we know what happened with t Martin. It wasn't really working out as a play caller. I liked what clay Helton was doing and certain spots at the end of the year focusing maybe more on the run game. But I know that's not necessarily the expectation of USC when you bring in JT Daniels, we had a bunch of USC games this year. So I saw him up close and personal and talk to the kid was around the staff was around the players. I still feel like this is a program that could be at its best with with a great running game. And when clay took over some the play calling duties late in the season. I did feel like the refreshes of an offense that maybe doesn't look like what USC fans expect. Maybe it doesn't look like what college football fans expect, but at least has some identity, and unless you're going to go out and get a guy like a I don't know if you've judge Scott or Tony Elliott from Clemson or you're gonna go grab I don't know if you're gonna get somebody like, Dan, he knows already signed up to be acuity coach at Alabama this year, unless you're gonna go get. Somebody like that that has a bit of an established track record with with quarterbacks. I don't know who you go out and get and obviously this is going to change, and and the fluid scenario because of all the coaching changes we're going to see in the next couple weeks. But I just feel like I don't know where you lean to right now when the next recruiting period signing period is coming up at the start of February. And you gotta jump into planning depth chart and figuring out your personnel. This is a bad situation that USC is in right now. Well, and how much in Kirk brought this up in the last segment how much worse is it. Now that Clemson has kind of become this national brand. Now, I mean they went in there yesterday. And you know, it was there were calling shook night at the end of that game with risk. Yeah. I love that the the walk ins, I think it was a feral or somebody. They all went all should deathrow unto death valley. I was big fan of that, obviously. And I know some folks in LA were read I imagined the role in the rise cheering it depends on which side of the track you're on I guess, but in all honesty, I look at Clemson and listed. They're not little Clemson anymore. Right. Like their defensive coordinator makes two point two million a year. That's he's the second highest paid assistant coach in college football. So I I'm not under the impression this is. This little old Clemson now it's been in the making. But this has been established now for the last four or five seasons that they're one of the best programs in the country when you get quarterbacks they've gotten when you got to Shawn Watson, everybody's talking about Lawrence's the future Kelly Bryant when he was playing last season was really good solid college quarterback when you're getting these types of players when you're getting the defensive talent that they're getting I don't think anybody should be really surprised or at least have this perception of. Clemson as as the little school that could 'cause they've got the resources that got the and this is an arms race now in college football, right? That's what it is. We're we're all racing towards the top. Who's got more money coming in who's got more revenue from seats, and from sweets and from boosters who's got the ability to put together a new practice facility and improve and renovate the facility that they're already it. It's an arms race. And right now Clinton's got the resources they've got the revenue coming in. They've got the championships to hold it all up in the pedigree to go along with it. They're not little old clips at anymore in my eyes. Adam I'm looking at Trevor Lawrence last night and watched a couple of games this year. You know, when you get some free time if you're not doing a Clinton game, but you watch them and you saw why so many people are so high on the true freshman quarterback. And I wanna make sure are we kind of living in the moment of what happened last night to everyone saying, oh, he's a next. He's the Knicks where I saw this year before where there was two. I saw. A couple years before that with Cordell Jones. I've seen it with these young quarterbacks that have a phenomenal game in the national championship. And we're ready to crown as college football's next greatest what can happen with Trevor Lawrence next two years or what we saw last night. And it just the beginning of how good he can be. I think it's the beginning of how good he can be. But it also depends on what he's going to do to try to improve. And I know there's there's a very high ceiling at least when you know, every every scout you talked to Mike may I and John Lynch last night. They're all very impressed by our boy, Todd mcshay is already saying that if he were to come out this year, the number one quarterback, I get all that. I think I think we're victim of the moment a little bit right now. The and you just gave some great examples. Cargill Jones example might be the most glaring one of all the that. We've talked about here's where you need to see. This college football right now is very top heavy the any anything beyond the top ten. There's a lot of jockeying and really you can make an argument that beyond the top six or seven. There's just a bunch of other really solid teams jockeying for -sition and the rest of these five or six elite level programs are the only ones that you can really use a measuring stick now and Clemson is one of those programs, Alabama, Georgia. I would say oh, hi, oh states in that mix. You could probably, you know, throw darts at aboard and pick the next two or three teams. How do you do against those teams consistently when that's the type of talent you're gonna see especially if the NFL level because even the worst NFL team is made up of a lot of really good college players. So how are you gonna react when you have to face that type of talent game in game out? Clemson been the have the upper schedule by any means when they face tough defenses at the end of the year, Lawrence, carved them up. That's two games worth of really solid film that I believe, you know, I think stands up for him being like number one type prospect, but look into tongue. I low a great example Kirk because he didn't get tested the first. Games of the year. It's one thing to come into the second half and tear up. Georgia's defense where they haven't had a book on you. But twelve games of cruising through winning by twenty plus and not playing in the fourth quarter all lot that doesn't do it for me. Look what he did against George. Any struggled a little bit of time to the first half of that game. Look what he did against Clemson the best defense in the country scoring lies and struggled mightily throughout the game. Larger sample sizes Bryk and make a decision at Amine years a star. Make sure you check in on and all the different platforms is calling a game somewhere near you. Next time. We have y'all gonna talk some dodgers with us. I needed a bunch of dodger games this past season two. So we'll let you wrestler couple weeks. And we'll bring you back. We'll talk some baseball with you too. Okay. You gotta boys. Anytime brother take care outta mean? With us coming up next. Anthony Davis with some fascinating words about his future. We'll tell you what that's about in just a moment here on our show on ESPN LA. Yes, sir. Saddana show here on ESPN LA. I like this new clock you like this new clock. Yeah. I'm getting used to it in here inside of the studio, George we've got all these numbers up, and it's almost like a. I'm trying to figure it out. It's like back in training camp. Yeah. Try. That I the first day we call it a install install day one. And it's basically this is the foundation of our defense for the two thousand nineteen ESPN LA season. Yeah. So right now, I'm back in training camps day one. Yeah. These numbers for those that don't know what we're doing. We used to break. Like, basically, we used to break every basically every ten or twelve minutes. But now we're doing like this cool sweeping thing we used to do years ago when I first got to the station where basically from like fifty four we go all the way to like ten. So we sweep across the top, which is cool. What gives us a really long segment to have some fun there. We can sneak in a guest there like we can do all sorts of cool stuff. I know with Mason Ireland they'll start fast-track earlier actually during their show, which is kinda cool. But yes, so it's basically kind of changing, but what it means is we gotta have clock integrity around here. As you said it's installed. We gotta be tight. We've got tight. Around here because the thing is with this new clock. If we mess up man is going to be trouble later. So and I don't need our our GM and and our program director, which is basically the GM and head coach cracking on us. But anyway, thanks to Adam mean for joining us there. I really didn't want to talk dodgers with him at one point. But we'll have him on like I said, he's got everything he he got uconn basketball women's basketball to ask what's going on. What you cons women. They lost a game. All ready. It's not supposed to happen. He's like thirty years old, and he calls everything he is no joke. When I said, he's a star on the rise. He's going to be a superstar. He's a star right now on the rise. There is no doubt. It was. I told them last year we do our football seminar every year. But last year, I just happened to be driving home. And I couldn't watch the Celtics game game seven he called free SPN radio. Lebron James the Cavaliers game seven and did a phenomenal job. I said do I don't. How you sleep? I don't know Wendy's. Yeah. He's so good at it both on TV and radio. But anyway, speaking of basketball and LeBron James, look, we've talked a lot about the young guys. They gotta win yesterday. And you and I talked about it earlier. Look good for Luke pushing the right buttons. I I don't love that professional athletes, even at twenty one years old as young as they are need to be pushed, you know, somewhat regularly. I guess to show the type of passion that their coach wants them to exude. So look there's a lot of these things that we're kind of trying to work our way through here. And I think it's it's one of these very strange times here in in LA with the Lakers because it's fun that lebrons. Here every game matters in the Western Conference so night in night out like, you gotta pay attention to these games on radio on television, or wherever you're you're watching consuming these games. So I think that part of it is fun. But I think for some people it's not as fun because they want the young guys to be part of this future. I don't believe that all of them and most of. Them to be honest with you will be part of the future because I do believe that the Lakers will try their best to get Anthony Davis. And if they're going to do that they're going to have to try to do that. I think sooner rather than later now, I don't know if that means at the trade deadline in four weeks or that means before. You're the beginning of next season sometime in the off season. But here's what Anthony Davis told Joe Vardon of the athletic. Okay. He was asked and Joe, by the way, just so people that don't know Joe is an excellent reporter, okay covered. Lebron? Obviously the last four years. He's now with the athlete, and he's one of those dudes Kirk, and you know, this you worked in the, you know, the business and you were a player. He's really cool. But he asked you the right questions like he knows how to dig, you know. Right. So he did a Q and A it's up on the Atlantic right now, and you should subscribe to the ethic because you should support journalism. But the last question in a series of questions about what's more important to Anthony Davis about whether it's money or his legacy or whatever the last question. Yes them was. Okay. Fine. Money's important, but legacies, more important. So what is legacy mean to you though? How do you think you build your legacy? And here's what Anthony Davis said. Winning. I individual performance team success for an individual player. How does he make his team better? All the stuff is about performance on the floor. And of course, winning everybody might be different in their own. I think for me I want winning to be part of my legacy. Everybody's different something much individual stats individual goals individual accolades, but for me, I won't winning to be part of my legacy. And he talks about at length about getting that ring and getting the ring is as important to him as anything so. Here's the quote, what do you want out of your career winning winning? I've made the playoffs twice twice both times. We were there. Some of it was the most fun. I've had playing basketball but going on the road trying to get wins. That's fun being able to get a playoff win all the preparation every game on TV. But winning the ring is what's most important. So here's the dude talking about wanting to win a chip let's face it you, and I both have a pretty good idea that the chance of that happening. New Orleans are slim, and none and slim might have gone on vacation. Okay. Yep. So that to me, maybe I'm looking into it too much. Maybe I'm doing the talk show thing and trying to blow something out of nothing. But I happen to think that those are pretty telling words, and you as a professional athlete, you tell me if I'm necessarily blowing this out of proportion. Well, you talking to a guy who grew up in Oakland, California. And that means that I'm a imbedded warriors fan for a long time. These are similar words that are. Heard from Kevin Durant. What was your what is your legacy going to be about his legacy turn into being about championships? Because that's what everybody pushed him to be. And he felt that he was not going to be able to get there in. Okay. See? So he decided to join the seventy three and nine warriors. And they've won the last two championships. So yeah, that's they're trying to work on the third one. That's what he that's what. Kevin Durant wanted. I think that's the same thing with Anthony Davis. He wants his legacy to be about winning championships wins and losses because right now he can go down as one of the best basketball players to play his position in a position Louis NBA. But just think about this for one second, George just one second art, call just just just for one second think about this. If Anthony Davis didn't play basketball again tomorrow, if he was done is career insta- Morrow what his legacy be like, how will we view ethnic Davis? I'll tell you what I'll tell you. What I think about that. On the other side. It's the Sodano show here. Kirk Morrison hanging out with us, plus Steve Levin gonna stop by. We're gonna chat with him shortly about the UCLA opening we're petitioning at least I have for Watson. We'll get Steve Lavin. Former UCLA coach his thoughts on all that. But I'll answer your question about Anthony Davis next sedans show Roseanne here on ESPN LA Kirk Morrison our guest co host today. Steve Lavin gonna join us in just a second counts. Basketball analyst for Fox Sports Turner in the Pac twelve network, and of course, former UCLA coach the join us in a moment. But to answer your question Kirk we were talking about Anthony Davis and the quotes he had for the athletes talking about winning and wanting to win the ring being and legacy being the most important thing to him, and you likening it to Kevin Durant, and what you heard from him. You asked me the question. What would Davis is legacy? If he didn't win. If he didn't win or p just think of if his basketball career in tomorrow. That's why I always say if best ball Kerr in tomorrow. What would his legacy be? Well, it would be incomplete. I would he still so young. He's in his twenties. He would be clearly phenomena freak of nature the most points ever scored an NBA all star game. He'd have those accomplishments in other take anything away from the guys who have won gold medals and things like that. But he didn't get the ultimate in be prize. You get what I'm saying? No doubt. No doubt. But look, I mean, I'm of the opinion that look and I'm friendly with Charles Barkley, right? Charles. Mark never won a championship. I think Charles Barkley. I'd take his career a million times over right? If I were have I've had this conversation with you on the station. Would you rather have Charles Barkley Kerr career, Robert ory, Robert ory, one whatever was seven championship? Whatever I'd still rather have Charles Barkley's career like no disrespect. Robert ory. I love Robert ory. But so championships don't always define you. But a lot of people do look at it differently. They give you a little bit of the side. I've you weren't able to win which is why I get why it's important for these guys to join. A super team per se. And if that's what Anthony Davis does than Soviet. All right. Let's switch gears to college basketball. Steve Laven joins us now here on the Saddana show on ESPN LA college basketball analyst for Fox Sports Turner, the Pac twelve network, and of course, former UCLA coach coach, I don't know if you heard anything that we were just talking about in regards to guys legacies. It was something. Anthony Davis was talking about to the Atlantic. Just recently how legacy matters to him and winning is going to matter to him. And you know, people read the tea leaves there and think, oh, we'll does that mean he's going to leave like what are you make in general just of kind of how we view rings in sports society right now for players. Well, I think as I eavesdropped on the conversation that it's not only lacy, but how your legacy ca then create opportunities gifts that will reveal in the future. So when you mention Charles Barkley while he didn't win a championship, you know, his career. And obviously is personalities gifts is what set the table for career in broadcasting and Charles, you never know some day. He may be governor of state, you know, in this country or curve who want a lot of camping trips like Hori, and while that was special and unique to be able to to win champships Santa Tonio in Chicago. I was how those experiences informed future as a general manager broadcaster. And then of course, now a coach, but legacy isn't. Portent that's a footprint that you leave behind. And there's the championship Ray the, obviously, which is ideal. But also there's legacy in terms of how you treat people and your integrity and the way you drive and things along those lines. So I kind of look at legacy of number our at least through you know, at a different lens. Maybe a number of different ways to look at legacy. You know, one of the things that when I think of legacy is obviously, you know, one of the legacies that you left being a head coach over at UCLA. And now would you see that job is vacant right now? And you're trying to figure out what should you do where do they go? How do they get back to where Westwood was the was the place every college basketball player on the west coast wanted to be what's the first thing that UCLA must do when they look at themselves in terms of going for the next higher. Well, you wanna look at a great fit. And so often fit is determined by timing and Earl Watson who I had the honour of coaching for four years. Matter of fact, he never missed a start an iron man, I as a starter for us for four consecutive years. And the fact that stops along the way not just UCLA. Then thirteen years in the NBA. And while he was in the NBA playing for Nate McMillan Huby Brown, you know, influenced by coaches and NBA. You know executives like Jerry West y'all so played for Jerry Sloan I learned from Popovich and our Sione when he was coaching DV dream in Austin, Texas. He's drawn from grapes peering through. So, you know, I feel this point with Earl Watson background is UCLA basketball players thirteen years. The league is experiences. Learn from different coaches time with the Phoenix Suns the head coach are set him up as the ideal marriage or fit and naturally UCLA's. Gonna do a national search president gene block, and yet let director, Dan Guerrero. Bob Myers, another my former players head of the search committee of and I think when all the dust settles. There won't be a better fit in the country. Then our Watson in terms of where he ad where he is in terms of his aides. He'd have the opportunity to stay at UCLA for some decades. And we haven't had continuity UCLA. John wooden was there for twenty seven years, and I've been one of the challenges when you look throughout the country the schools women national titles on a regular basis. Other one by coaches that have been there for fifteen twenty twenty five thirty thirty five forty years, consecutively whether it was eight off ramp, but Kentucky Duke, ROY Williams and Bill self currently Kansas North Carolina, lute Olson twenty five years. Tom is over twenty years behind your cues close to forty years. Jim Calhoun, Connecticut, you know, twenty five years of these coaches, stay in place, they kingdoms less. John wooden dairy off up did and even. Have tough years. They get bumped down the first round occasional losing season. I like Dylan over chain. Right. Went through some tough times early some tough times middle of his career vila-nova, but they stayed with them. And now he's want to out of three national titles. And he's been there sixteen seventeen years. So I think Earl with his age as a chance to be there for a period of time if they commit to him, and obviously he'd bring great value. I don't think there's any question about it. I'm with you wholeheartedly and Steve Lavin with this year. Of course, college basketball analyst for Fox Sports Turner, the Pac twelve network former UCLA coach, I think it's a slam dunk. But they are I guess whispers out there that maybe some people, you know, at UCLA would want someone like Rick Pitino potentially. I know he's in Greece right now or he's going to coach that team in Greece. What are your thoughts on a Patino marriage there? Well, he's an outstanding coach and he's a hall of fame basketball coach and you look at the success. He's had whether it's, you know, earliest career providence to pen the final four nineteen eighty-seven could talk you to the national title, Louisville, national title and success with the Knicks not so much with Boston. But hard to argue with Rick Pitino success is a basketball coach. But because of some of the recent challenges and scrutiny of Louisville's basketball program came under during his direction during his leadership. I don't think UCLA at the top in terms of the president and the director the UC system regions. I can't imagine the role in the dice core. The risk of something that may come out 'cause that FBI situation settled in still. Ongoing trials, and you know, more evidence that'll continue to surface just across the board. A not centered on Rick Pitino. But because Louisville was cotton the storm of that the I investigation ongoing trials, I can't imagine she'll going that direction because right now, they need to Billy yummy continuity, and I don't see what Patino fitting in terms of that aspect. Steve Levin form UCLA coach, of course, with Turner, Fox Sports and the Pac twelve network joining us here on ESPN, Los Angeles. Steve thank you so much time coach, we appreciate it. Let's do it again soon. Okay. Take care look forward to it. But you gotta take care. Steve live in with us there. We got some thoughts. I wanna get some of your thoughts on what he said there Kirk because I think he makes them pretty valid points. Get a job or a Watson. That's what he's in pretty much. You talk about a glowing endorsement, it is we got talking about he won't he probably walking around with a sign higher Earl. Yeah, for sure and we've got what's trending coming up next. We'll be back in three minutes. But first guys it is four fifty right now. What's the game plan tonight with the kids when you get home? Well, here's an idea. Do what we did man talking reading singing changes everything go to I five California dot com to learn more, la- parenting is tough man. Okay. I get it. I've got two kids. I've got my daughter aria, my son Matteo a newborn and a four year old. It's not easy. But those first five years, those are the formative years those are the tough years. So you need a game plan. So will we do with aria? And now we do Matteo to we sing to them. We read to them. We talked to them the little guy Matteo at three months old. He's following me around. Now, here's my voice. He knows. What's up he visualizes things those brains man, they're working you need to stimulate them. My daughter we sing songs on the way to school. We read a book every night. So we went to I five California and learned all of this. And you can't to go to I five California dot com to learn more. That's first five California dot com to learn more. Yes, sir. The savannah show here on ESPN LA. Thanks Steve lavon for stopping by. Thanks to our buddy. Adam mean for stopping by to Dell's gonna join us in the five o'clock hour L Z is going to check in with us in the six o'clock hour and Cory Littleton linebacker for the Rams also going to check in with us in the six o'clock hour as the Rams get ready to take on the couch. This is so much stuff going on today. Kirk that we haven't even had a chance even to talk about the Rams very much, which we will. We got we do we do have some time. But it's it's crazy right with the cliff things barriers and Kirk king's cliff cliff and and just Anthony Davis saying stuff. Haji girlfriends over in Scottsdale. Arizona. Yeah, there tell maybe. Knicks great tristate area. You better watch out that that area's hot. Yeah. Trust me. I had some people takes me. I tweeted a couple things out today. George and the women of Manhattan beach are so heartbroken. I bet no doubt. Let's get to what's hot. And what's going on out there? I let's get through this request the top story. Obviously today's cliff Kingsbury to the cardinals. He is shunned USC is no longer a man of Troy Kirk after what about two weeks. He is going to coach Josh Rosen. The Bruin at quarterback. What are your thoughts? Let's start with the UCS Specht of this. What what did you see do where they turn to now? Yeah. That's tough for George because they they're they're higher the one which was supposed to be there. Splash higher is now going so where do you go and those great point Madam Amine is at. There's two signing periods. Now, George, okay. So they already went to the first one. And what about all the kids that committed the USC thinking, hey, I got cliff Kingsbury as my offense coordinator. Well, that is no longer the case. So does that also have you know, recruits, possibly transferring from US or committing or is a it's opening up Pandora's box to a point where we really don't know. How does this shakeout does USC trying to go to the NFL rinks in bringing off? It's coordinator back. I don't wanna see the Kennedy pull them out lose that. Norm. Chow? You can't go from the old school USC. You gotta bring in somebody who was going to put look I said it before last night. We saw Trevor Lawrence true freshman. Yep. JT daniels. That's what you have to get to. Yeah. That's the level play that people wanna see you at at USC. You gotta find a coach that can get him to there. I know you said that the wives of the ladies of Manhattan beach were sad that cliff is gone. He's now Scottsdale, but Mike brought up a great point. Only a forty five minute flight if he wants to be here. But with that said Chow was hanging out in Manhattan beach that long ago coaching high school. I don't think that's the route either. I'm with you there. I on the flipside of that Josh Rosen who you and I were we were lacking step here. We thought Josh Rosen was the most NFL ready. He was by far. I thought the worst of the young quarterbacks last year. I think that this higher is basically tailor-made to help this kid reach the potential that we thought he could reach. What are your thoughts? I it's the same because of shaman vein. The Rams Matt Nagy in the in the in the Chicago Bears. You see that leflore not necessarily in Green Bay. But it's about scoring points. That's what this leagues all about. And people say what you will look at the defense plate last week between Dallas and the ravens. Yeah. But the teams score all the points where at home, relaxing and Chilin New Orleans. The rams. The chiefs. Yeah. You score points. Look what it gets you. It gets you a week off or you don't have to play in a while car around. So I say that because when you look at we're Josh Rosen and that team is at in Arizona, George they want to keep their cap space. So they need Josh Rosen the play better. So you hire a coach makes him play better. Because now you get to keep that seventy million kept space. You could spend it on players and not have to worry about buying another quarterback. Yeah. For sure I don't think there's any question about that. The cardinals have not to go too far on the cardinals. But the cardinals have some pieces, right? Like they drafted Josh to be the guy right there. These guy receive in Christian kirksey, still got Larry FitzGerald, David Johnson at running back. They gotta show up. The all Jone Jones Patrick Peterson Hedrick Peterson's not going anywhere left tackle left tackles good to write the left tackle by God. Yes. But he's good. He's good too. So that's what's trending in regards to cliff kings bearing USC next a former ram offense coordinator in title only. But he did coach QB's I believe as well to Matt leflore is now going to be the headband in Green Bay with Aaron Rodgers do you like that mix? Kirk. That's the tough one because he was the offense coordinator last year for Tennessee with Marcus mariota. They actually were worse on offense and they were the year before. So this was more of how do we get a guy that can be in line with Aaron Rodgers? I think that's what this one's really. Remember people joked about oh, you know, Sean McVay is going to be, you know, Jared goff's buddy with this one. I think has to be the similar situation with with Matla floor bringing the buddy of Aaron Rodgers or those two guys working together because he was an offense. According to the Rams doubles title only there. Offense coordinator, Sean McVeigh, but he had that title in this year when he actually called plays offense. Wasn't as good as they were. So I'm still scratching my head on this George. Yeah. I'm not I'm not necessarily keen on it. I like the idea in theory. Right. I don't know how much I love it in practicality with Aaron Aaron can be a little difficult at rhymes. And look all great minds are right. Lebron isn't always easy to to work with right? That's historically been the case in Aaron is very much like LeBron in that sense. But it is going to be interesting. I think that at least he brings fresh ideas to the table, which is something Mike McCarthy was not bringing clearly Aaron was tired fit that fan based. That's that's a that's a college style fan base that they're all about football. There is no other sport in Green Bay. It is all football when you get off at that airport the Green Bay airport. They don't have brochures and pictures of hey, come check out this theme park. You know, it is about cheese. In visiting lambofield. That's. You're listening to Caspian Los Angeles. So one last football story here in what's trending, which is Bruce Arians is going who was formerly of the Zona cardinal. You're off to do basically broadcasting for Fox Sports. And now he's going to Tampa Bay bucks with Todd Bowles as his defensive coordinator worked with Todd Bowles before. So they're going to the bucks to work with James. Do you like that move? Love this move. Because no one's gonna tell it to your straight like, Bruce. He's a straight shooter. He re rekindles his his thing with Todd Bowles. They this was the team that was in the NFC championship game versus the Carolina just a couple years ago. So they're trying to get that thing back going again, I like the marriage between those two bulls in areas, I think that he's the guy that can get Jameson line. But also to they can go out and grab somebody else with a quarterback for the Schiff. It doesn't work out. But I like the higher Bruce Arians. I think he fits just wanna talk about cultures. The. Eighty. I think Jason light went with a guy who knows and trust. I like this higher for Bruce. And then of course, we just talked about this a little while ago before Steve Lavin joined us Anthony Davis is in the news today in the let he spoke to Joe Vardon of the athletic who's an excellent NBA reporter. And he basically asked him like, what's the most important thing to you? And he says he craves winning. So the question is can the pelicans provide that he talks about rings? He talks about his legacy being important to him. And that you know, when it comes to legacy would that means to him is winning first team success individual performance is part of it. But winning is the most important part of that do you believe that aids? The Lakers in this, particular instance, or is this much ado about nothing who I think it does help out the Lakers. But it also to we gotta remember a lot of it has to do with what magic and rob wanna do. You know what I mean because they can make the decision for him. You get them. Just go ahead and trade. For him and get them now. And now it's going to be all about the championship. When they make the move form if for free agency, then that's totally different. Right. George like. Well, he's going to be a free agent to these twenty twenty right? He can be that that would mean that you gotta wait. You know what I mean? So I think this really for him. It's sits on the shoulders of rob in magic in LeBron of them making the move to help him go out in a chief. What he feels is legacy deserves a championship wins and losses. Lebron had dinner with him after he plays against the Lakers. So we all know that my guess is there was a conversation there. And he, of course, years represented by Rich Paul who also represents LeBron who look LeBron's the agency. Okay. There's there's that part of two. So the interesting parts of me here is Kirk is when is New Orleans gonna go to Anthony Davis because if I were the GM, and I were dealt Dem's. Okay. He's got a year and a half left before he. Can opt out to be a free agent technically he is signed through that twenty twenty twenty twenty one season, but he has an opt-out where he can opt out early. So at the very minimum. He's got a year to half left on that deal. If I'm del Dem's. This is the time now with the trade deadline in four weeks where I can get a king's ransom for him. Because you know what? Kirk there may be a team that bets on themselves like Oklahoma City did with Paul George and says, okay, we got them for at least a year and a half bettern ourselves that we can convince him to stay. Now. The good thing for the Lakers is that the Celtics cannot be one of those teams as long as kyri is under this current contract. Because there's this weird rule where you can't trade for two guys under the two two guys that have the the supermax deal. You can't trade for those two guys. Now, I believe they could keep kyri if once he wants he's a free. Agent and they bring him back on his own deal. But you can't have two guys that you traded for on those types of deals. Okay. Got so it's this weird quirk, but Sunny's Boston can't really get involved until the off season. So, but I still think you can get the most value for Anthony Davis now because you'll have a team that'll say, hey, man, we've got him. He's not just a traditional Renner rental. He's a year and a half. So maybe we can figure that out. So that's what I would do if I were the GM of New Orleans. I will go to say look Anthony, let us level each other here. Do you think you are going to be do you wanna be because if not we're going to trade you and look maybe he says, I you know, he'd makes demands right of oh, I don't want. I only want to go to the Lakers or whatever. Okay. A lot of teams a lot of guys do that Paul George. Did that collided that even kyri did that and ended up getting traded to another team, and we'll see with Kawhi it looks like Kyrie's happy in Boston. And we know what happened Paul. George. I think if I'm another team, I take a chance on that. But it starts with New Orleans. I think they'll Dem's has to have a real conversation 'cause Anthony Davis Kirk. He doesn't wanna be the bad guy. So Dem's is going to have to do what's best for his own interest and his own franchise. It's going to be a situation too. At some point. He can say I wanna be here. But I also want to win. And if we if you see that we're not ready to win or compete for championship right away, then buys well. Let's just make this deal and get it out the way now. But when do you have that conversation it 'cause 'cause we keep saying with the trade deadline coming up for this year? Is that a deadline or was that a soft it line this off deadline, but still don't things can happen. And if you want to start the speed the process why wait get it done now. Yeah. So the next story in trending. I don't know if you saw this. But there was a New Zealand flight in Air New Zealand that landed in Australia because someone on the flight passed away and the passengers had to be on the flight for over two hours with a dead body on the flight people are hot okay that flew on this flight. Now, they they felt like they should have landed sooner should turn back around whatever they needed to do. So people are mad now. I don't know. You've traveled a lot. What happened to me? Once here's what I would be once I was going to New York for the two thousand and three World Series, okay? To cover that event. And I was flying for Miami. Where I live and a gentleman had a heart attack on the plane. Now, he did not die at least to my knowledge while we were on the flight. But we landed in Orlando, we did a emergency landing to get him off the flight have you ever had anything even remotely close to this happen remotely close to that? No. Okay. How would you be? If this happened to you. If there was a dead person on your flight for I would be hot trust me likes all the way hot. I can the closest thing that I've I've really heard about this was. I remember talking to a team this year. I keep the team nameless. Because they kind of told me this confidence, but they had taken off on a flight and midway through the flight, the something happened to the plane, and so they were they had a turn back around and go land, but yet in order for them to do that they had to go dump fuel. So they had to draw. I mean it fly about an hour and a half dumping fuel to get all the way back because they would have landed. It was the craziest thing and then I had to go play a football game after they had to get on another plane. So yeah, basically, I'm just kind of thinking of things in my head. I can't think of anything crazy. I've had people vomit next to me. That's probably. Yeah. But I knew that they were gonna find it. And you could just tell coming guys. I don't think the dead man cares. If the people on the plane were mad at him because he died, but I'm saying like the airline people here people out of the airline like what is protocol on that though. How do you get mad because people they know some people don't like to see. I personally nobody plan for that. I mean, I played that a lot of times on the plane so people don't sit back. Lasting here. On a good note. You like Ben and Jerry's Kirk doesn't right? They got to new flavors coming out one call amazement and another one called candy bar pie. Amazement is a blend of cool MIT cookie balls covered in dark chocolate and cookie crumbs and then candy bar pie was resurrected from what they liked to call the flavor graveyard, and it is a limited. It was previously a limited edition pint. But it's a savory mix of fudge flakes. Peanut butter and salty, pretzels. I've been to Ben and Jerry's in Vermont. It's pretty cool to actually go there. Okay. Vermont go. No, I I haven't been there. But if I had to choose one of the other something about the candy bars, though, man, I'm still a Snickers receives guy when I go to combs, cold stone. Or you know, what I mean? Like, they'll still my things. Oh, yep. That's what's trending here. Of course. Coming up in just a little bit Mitra. Dow's gonna stop by Mike win. When is Trudell gonna stop by do we know five forty five forty five forty. So that you're gonna stop by at five forty is. So coming up next I want to get into the Rams and Cowboys. What's key to this matchup was the raiders? Are they making a huge mistake? Okay. There's something going on with the raiders here in a second. We're going to tell you what the heck is going on with the raiders. But of course, what's trending is brought to us by our friends at the dudes brew. Make sure you check out their website. The dudes brew dot. Holidays over but you could always use some beer. The dudes brewing company's now selling their tasty craft craft cans online at the dudes brew dot com, though, ship your order overnight anywhere here in California. So visit their website the dudes brew dot com. Happy holidays and.

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"Orig- is on demand. Your show your schedule. Fifteen minutes after ball dot com. Check out the casts at richeisenshow dot com. Welcome in welcome in committed. This Friday here on the rich Eisen show. Kirk Morrison here for rich, we've made it rich still on vacation the pictures have not stopped. He's still living his best life. I I don't know. Even what what countries he still in right now? He's doing. He's doing the museums today in the Florence area Michelangelo's David John today on Richard's Instagram. Did you see the touristy winning tower of PISA shot from yesterday holding? Holding up making a real weird face. Not sure what he's doing. It's the rich vacation face. I think that's what it is. Missing out on everything that's going on here in the states. Stateside as the NCAA tournament kicked off yesterday in I'm going to a applaud myself, I think Bert teen in three on the opening day is really not bad for all those out there. I don't know how many people had to rip up their brackets already. I know some people actually had to for me thirteen in three first day. I'm okay with that. I think that you know, couple of teams, you know, let me down. Seton hall. I only pick Seton Hall because Mike del tufo told me too because he's my biggies expiration. And then look my allegiance to the mountain west conference in which I played in at Senegal state. I went big time with Nevada their out. So that means I lost a Sweet Sixteen team already. Not good day one that we're not good for me at all. And in the the last team I had losing Syracuse, man. I was so into the zone. I was like dissolves going get Baylor. This is that game where behind a law. So that was an exciting game. It was on fire from three to start. Look. I tried to tell you guys. Yeah. He gives without their starting card. Frank Howard suspended switched on Wednesday for failure drug test. Reportedly I feel my bracket on Monday. On monday. Mike amateur hour. You gotta wait for the Intel for was involved in the clown cod. Test gear the front runner wearing clown makeup thirteen three though fifteen in one like someone show. All right. Right. I was smart enough to pick against Syracuse only lost Nevada. I was with you there. But fifteen and one I will take it. Best start. I've ever had Mike. It is. We'll see if it holds up today. He'll be well, I think the biggest story coming out of last night or yesterday's games, you know, that kicked off and was you saw jock. Trending and I'm like man, this has been trimmed for a while. I've already seen the fire. Tired of seeing JAL rule. Oh, we get. We've seen the fire festival in both the documentaries on Hulu and Netflix. But then it was more it in my job morale a guy that we've seen throughout the season. And you just heard the name everyone kept talking about this kid who's going to be a lottery pick. It was the college basketball season really started to become about Zion Williamson and John Moran. And you saw him different times to route the season not a lot of national television games. But if you need it any validation yesterday, you got all the validation that you need it with John Marin. I mean yesterday he became the ninth player in NCWA tournament history to record a triple double. Seventeen points, eleven rebounds, sixteen assists. And this is the company that he joins and when you start to rattle off these names you rely he gets to sit at this table that involves Draymond green. Andre miller. Dwayne Wade Shaquille O'Neal, Gary grant, Artis Gilmore. Magic johnson. Oscar Robertson BJ whore near David Cain. But think about the that table of players like you go to to a restaurant in he gets to go to that table and sit with some of the greatest players that have played the game period, not just college. But that performance last night by John Moran. I'm sitting back in all because you saw kid that throughout the season. Yeah. We saw the highlight dunks. We saw him make some great passes. He actually was the leader in assists this year. People forget about that. We think of the kid is a big time score. Right. Yeah. Flexibility. But he led the NC double. In cysts and last night. If that was the first time, you got a chance to see John Moran. I'll tell you this. He put on a show. And that's what the story of the tournament was all about he he t to me was like, okay. Maybe they were actually under seeded, by the way for them to be twelve Murray state to be twelve Marquette to be a five we knew something was going to give and in all of a sudden at the end of that. I was like I wanted more. Did you want more? Did you to a point where like okay when do they play again because I got to watch this guy. Yeah. He's turning into must see TV right now. And I think it's kind of awesome. If you're follow college basketball you follow the NBA draft. You've heard the name jam rant. We talked about it. He played a you ball Zayn Williamson. But the story of college basketball this year has been Zayn Williamson and for him to kind throw himself into the mainstream. Now, John rant with this type of performance big up the upset of the day leading the five seems like there's always one or two those every. Year. It's awesome. And it's kinda what makes the big dance. What it is the greatness of it is because you get to learn about these new players new players who come out of nowhere to kinda show everybody what what they're worth. And now there was a legit debate this morning on the first take about whether or not teams to take Jamarat number one in the draft. That's what the beauty of the tournament. Right. It's what it does. It gets everyone so excited it's kind of like to combine for the NFL where guy can come out of nowhere and have a great workout. And suddenly he's now a top ten pick. That's what the tournament. Does these guys really showcase their skills and let everybody see them on a national level. I mean, I will. He's the story of the last twenty four hours, right? No doubt until about what we think. Seven ten pm eastern time. The main event will take place at the colonial life arena, North Dakota state taking on Zion. Williamson and the Duke blue devils. We've we've kind of erased the eagles Zion Williamson and the Duke that because that's what these he's the headliner of this tournament. But John Moran took a couple of those headlines away last night. He took those headlines away to a point where it is kind of a debate. Because obviously we know that Zion Lampton and what we've seen this season. I know he missed some time with the injury that we all saw. But we saw the lettuces them. We saw the way he can get to the to the rim. Six foot seven hundred eighty pounds. We have never seen a guy of this size be this explosive and live up to the hype to a point where one year of college basketball to me has helped Zion Goto a stratosphere. I don't think he would have gotten to. He went on the one and done think about if Zion wouldn't go to one and done. He's going through a NBA season where he's probably on one of the worst teams. And we won't get a chance to see what we're seeing. Now saying for Jim right? He is now put conversation that I always thought he was a lottery pick maybe top five pick because we just talked about it throughout. But you wanted to see it on the main stage like this is like, I don't know how many times have you guys been to that restaurant? And you've been hearing about it hearing about it hearing about it in. Finally, your reservation comes up, and it's like, all right. Let me try it out you go to the restaurant and you take one by in USA. Oh, so they weren't line. This is what everyone bodies talking about. An Esa job Mirant gave me last night. So he was one of the bigger storylines last night. I think the other story lie or the headline coming out of last night's or yesterday's opening round. Game was Wolford. Right. That my delta Wolford or Wofford. It's wofford. Oh, you yesterday said Wolford Wolford for today yesterday for me. It was Wolford because yes, they are the terriers of Wofford they my school. So to say there. Yesterday. I said are teams over to I know yesterday going into that game. They had a twenty game win streak. Right. And we're always looking for the Cinderella team. Like who's going to be the Cinderella team of the tournament? And then yesterday, and it just seemed to just fit Fletcher McGee and trust me, I didn't know much about Wofford basketball. I'm not and because throughout the season you hear like these little stories of a Wofford. Hey, they got a twenty game win streak. They win their conference tournament. And you're like, okay. That's all good. But then all of a sudden they get to the tournament. And they put on a display like they did last night and Fletcher McGee, by the way, the all time leader in three pointers made in college basketball history to me, it's like, oh, why haven't we been talking about Wofford before? Are we missing out on his lively just finding out about these guys? I mean, they to me are they the darling now of the tournament. I mean going forward now now, obviously their next game was going to be a one in which they if they take down Kentucky. Yes, they are. Yes. They beat Seton Hall. But now, guess what you gotta play Kentucky. I also think what makes them so fun as they're playing the brand of basketball that chic and hip right now, they're they're just bombing away from threes and video highlights we just showed like Fletcher McGee wasn't even on balance or squared up. And a lot of those. He's just taking one gerbil and launching catch and shoot launching JJ Rettig kind of out there even. Very fun. Of course, there the seven see they were favored. But if they take down Kentucky, man, we're all gonna know who these kids are, and they'll be the there will be the Cinderella of the two thousand nineteen inch AA tournament. But as I'm watching and you finally get a chance to rest last night. And you think back to all the games? But one of the games I watched yesterday really got me back to my past though. And when I say my pass, it got me back to high school got me back to when I first started playing sports because growing up for me in the eighties and nineties, I got coached really really hard. And I love being coached Harlem, I chose my university Senegal state because I was being coached by Tim toner who was a hard nosed disciplinarian guy who just totally it was. And that's what I respected about coaches who treat everyone to say. Whether you're the number one player or the last player on ROY. Oster you a Meyer, those coaches, those are the coaches that when you plan form, you're like man, but after you get done playing with when you graduate, you move on you realize that that coach was given nothing but tough love and he cared about you and want to see the best out of you. I say that because yesterday Tom Izzo in his Michigan state Spartans they were in a game yesterday. Right. Where they were in a game against Bradley, and they weren't playing up to we think they're potential especially for their see to be a number two seed, you would think hey that they would you know, you kinda get the rough patches out earlier in the game. And then as the game goes along they will pull away, but Tom Izzo had a moment air where he had to he had grabbed his team, and he had to go out, and and coach hard and challenges players challenges young freshman, and you got a point you gotta get got not necessarily be physical. But the able to tell them. Hey, that's not what you do there. It's okay to. Tell players you make mistakes you can't coddle player. Maybe I'm just the old school part of me. But I know some people today are looking at what is oh was doing yesterday and challenging and getting up in his players faces. And people are saying, oh, man. You can't do that. You can't do that to me. I wanted that I crave it because I respect it. My elder respect it my coach because I know what he was doing was putting me in the right situation to be at my best. I will never get mad at a coach. Are there coaches who step over the line? So may, but when you look at the resume of Tom Izzo when you look at everything that he's accomplish. When you look at all the players that are planning the NBA or playing professionally and when you look at the championships a final four appearances if that coach tells me, hey, you're not playing right now, you're making too many mistakes. What are you doing? I'm not going to be one to try to fight back on coach. I gotta get my act together. I've been there before I know Tom Izzo. You know, obviously a lot of people took umbrage to that. But here's a little Tom Izzo game. Just talking about, you know. Why he coaches this way in what the tournament brings out of him as a head coach. This is one time, you know, the my bads are out the window if they're my bad that team played better that guy played better. If it's my bad because I decided that job back instead of sprint back than it is your bad, and you're gonna hear about I get a kick out of you guys. Get after somebody because you try to hold them accountable. I don't know what kind of business you're in. But I'll tell you what if I was a head of newspaper, and you didn't do your job you'd be held accountable sway. It is. That's the way. It is the way it is. I love it. My bad season is over. I had a coaching NFL told me look, everyone of us all fifty three men in that locker room and said, look fellows. I am out of the my bad business. I don't want any part of that. I wanna put any stock in that business because I'm out of there is no more my beds. If you get it done or you'd be sitting next to me straight up. And so I love. The way coaches all is explained that there. And if you think that, you know, we are coddling players now or do we need some of the old school? Let me know because I wanna make sure that what I saw I thought that was perfectly fine. But some people are against it. Let me know eight four four zero four rich eight four four two zero four seven four two four I want to get into that a little bit. Are we not coaching players hard enough? Or do we need a little bit more, especially in the one in done scenario? We've got some great guests coming up as well. Brad nessler. He'll be joining us as well. Just to get his thoughts. He as he gets ready to call some action today the second day of the NC double A tournament more here. Kirk Morrison filling in for rich the rich Eisen show. 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That's the promo code peo- D twenty five. It's triple double logs for job. The Kentucky triple double the NCAA tournament. Triple double and a poster that he used to put up the rest of his life. John moran. Put on a show last night in the opening round of the NC double A tournament of the richeisenshow here. Kirk Morrison filling in for rich and phone lines jammed up right now wanted to talk about coach owes yesterday and just coaching now in the tournament is coaching in general your phone calls. We'll get to. But right now, I gotta get to one of my favorite guys. Talk to CBS sports NC double a broadcaster. Brad Nessler joined the rich Eisen show Kirk Morrison here. And and Brad I know yesterday was a day of preparation for you guys down there in Tulsa. But what did you get out of the the shoot arounds and talking to the coaches as you get ready for today? Kirk, you know, everybody that thinks of June twenty as being the summer equinox, or whatever its longest of the year has never come soon. NCAA tournaments. Ten hours watch practice and then done for James the next day. You know, you get little bits and pieces like watching Texas Tech's practice day, for instance, was amazing crispier who's one of the finalists for coach of the year. And he had a fabulous season. Everything they do in practice is so regimented. And apparently, they do it all the time that way and they had different music for different spots on the floor. They had a lot of fun. They walk arm in arm from one end of the court to the other saying the word together together together that's been there. So things like that. You know that you don't normally see when you go to a practice. What do you regular season game? I guess so there's a little touch of that you get chance to to meet some of the kids that you haven't seen play northern Kentucky. Scott the player of the year. They're conference in drew McDonald. Who is not a guy that gets off the bus and go. Wow. We gotta look out for him. But he's walking double double, you know. And he's been great for that program because he's from that part of the country, and he's he's the face of. Northern Kentucky just things like that. I guess you get little pieces from the coaches on what they expect in in what they're preparation is. As far as how they're gonna Defensor teams that kind of thing. It's it's an interesting day. It's a long day. And actually, this one's more fun than the practices are bred for people who don't understand that. You guys have four games today. Like, how do you first of all prepare yourself to call four games? And is there any strategies is it water breaks is at Drake and a little bit of TI. How do you get through a day like today? They used to used to tell us back when I was CBS the first time they said if you have a long enough break between games two and three actually go in and the like change, your shirt and tie. And pretend it's a whole nother day. I tried that first year. I did it. It didn't have any effect. Yeah. We've got we've got the Honey and the back in the green room, and our people are well prepared five hour energy. I hate to give a plug for for nothing. But I'll give them a plot. Because there'll be some of that involved today to you know, a lot of preparation was done as soon as you find out your your bracket on Sunday night, when they let us know where you're going you immediately start working and Monday and Tuesday were heavy preparation days on my own before I got sauce on Wednesday. So you know, you a lot of the as in the barn. I think before you get here. Then you try to pick up a little do onces from the practices and all that guess today. But you're so inundated. You know back in the day. It was like at game notes are the people. The I d put out a book with you know, coming into the tournament. And that was kind of what you had we have so many emails from so many different directions. And so many different s- that lines and all of that kind of stuff that I just went through right before you called. I went through my phone. And I said, okay, here's twenty emails. I'm getting rid of right now. Because. If I'm not ready. I've never gonna be and it's not going to do my phone any good. So I got rid of most of my stuff. Just now accept what's CBS sports. NC double a broadcaster. Brad Nessler joining the rich Eisen show Kirk Morrison here filling in for rich. But Brad how much of the of yesterday's games. Did you get a chance to watch? Because obviously, some big storylines coming out of those games, and you got not necessarily upsets, but you had some victories teams that we're still learning about how much do you get a chance to actually follow the tournament. When you've got your own games ahead of you well between your phone and your ipads and Jimmy Jackson had computer on out here while you're watching practice and then back in the green room we had another game going on. And then everybody's under phone every five minutes, either checking their brackets or check on the scores, whatever. So you know, we caught what we could. I you know, I I think star is made in every region. And you know, John ran I heard you the highlights you went off and everybody kind of expected that. I don't know if they expected triple double at sixteen assists. But it's kinda jaw-dropping what some of the kids do and Fletcher McGee. I don't know that much about water 'cause they're not in my region. But watch those guys shoot three's yesterday was entertaining. It think somebody else it's sixteen threes yesterday failure, maybe get Syracuse like that which is pretty amazing. That's the way to kill the Syracuse zone. So we watch his much as we can while we're trying to prep prepare for our own region. And sometimes we say what I'm not gonna pay any attention to any other region because I have too much on my plate right here. And then inevitably you turn around, and you're watching TV, and we went to a conference we have a big conference room setup. Potok L. We mmediately went from all our practices went back. There turned on the TV at production being turn on the TV and started watching ball. So you're catches much as you can't. When you have the chance, but it's it's pretty important to kind of keep focused here. But we do have a lot of fun watcher ball the other regions the other broadcast. Brad, you've call some games. Whether it's college football college basketball. But when you when you have these great games going on her great individual performances for me. My question to you is how do you stay so calm in the moment or how to announce his try to stay calm in that moment. When you look at you mentioned, Jay Moran Moran yesterday and even Fletcher McGee when goes guys are having unbelievable performances. You almost wanna get overly excited for what they're doing. Yeah. I, and I do you know, I've calm when it's just up and down the Florida. It's the first half of a game. But I I have always loved shooters. And so watching that and watching which McKay I was like man I wish I was doing that game. When somebody starts raining threes. I don't know how many it's seven or whatever. And I know it went over five hundred career, but you know, we've got some of those of guys this region here just about every game. We have we've got the player of the year they're league. So you expect you're gonna have the star it just about every matchup. But when somebody all of a sudden goes for thirty or gets really hot to start straining threes. That's when I have a blast. So you kinda save it for the moments. You know, if you got a bunch of guys that twelve points, not that big a deal. But when you gotta start out there, and you can tell the stars start shining. That's when you get excited, and I just excited this like any other fan. CBS sports Brad Nessler, join the program. Arizona state the number eleven seething your read in your region taken on buffalo. We know Bobby Hurley the former coach at buffalo. How was that storyline? Kind of playing out so far, I know I won't call attention. But obviously some familiar faces going up against each other. Yeah. And you know, you got natives uh Dave natives first job after being a high school coach in Michigan for a long time. And so they're good friends. You know, and and that's just the way it is. Sometimes I don't know if that bracket was set up because here's state had to play their way in the first four. So I guess looked at that that that would be intriguing and we look at it. Obviously, it's gonna be are open to be honest with you when you watch the game. Just because that's a fun fact, and I think, you know, Bobby had to work really hard. They went through the Pac twelve term. It got beat by Oregon and then had to travel the Dayton long trip. Actually, go home then go to Dayton. And then come here, they got here. Four thirty yesterday morning or something the flight and Jim Jackson was other charter with wisdom beginning here of on my partners the game. So it's been a a heck of journey. And you know, we gotta technical call the other night. I did the game they played Zona, and he was all fired up in that one too. So we're him about keeping his cool. And he said, I'm gonna be really cool. And I said, yeah, you told me that. There is when you that game. So I always love I used to do is games when he was Duke. So anytime, I've got it could actually like that. It's it's interesting television and the match up with his former team in buffalo be dislike that we've already update our brackets. Did you fill out a bracket for this kind of keep it to the side? And look at it at the end or you just kind of leave that to your colleagues. You know? I I always tell myself I'm not gonna feel when out, but I've got the high school buddies that are on my case constantly, and they're like you gotta fill out. So yeah, I did. And I did do very well they wanna play. So I might as well just burn burn mind right now because it's not gonna matter when it all comes to an end in Minneapolis. Brad Nassar CBS sports TWA broadcaster. Join us here on the richeisenshow Kirk Morrison film in for rich a couple more minutes before I let you go. You got a long day ahead, Brad. But tell me about the environment there in Oklahoma and Tulsa just because a lot of time. People don't understand that. This are these are, you know, eight different fan bases all coming together. And sometimes you get actually other schools pulling for another school. So how do you kind of handle the momentum? Swing of so many different people coming together for this moment. It's different. You know last year. I was in Wichita Kansas was there at the top seed it. So the place was jammed and even practice sessions was crazy. I mean, the arena was full. I quite frankly don't know what it's going to be like in the next our before we tip, whatever. Whatever time we tip off here that northern Kentucky sexist Tekere warming up right now. So it's a little bit noisier in your eyes soom Texas ex gonna fairly good contingent. I think they might be one of the closer drives. Maybe I was stay too. But some of the other fan bases. I don't know if it's going to be just basketball fan or if they travel. Well, it's an interesting. It's an interesting thing to see you're right. They have a tendency the fans of one team or another say, well, you know, what we don't wanna play those guys that we want them to get beats over the course of the day. You're going to hear some teams here and for other teams when it's really not what colors wearing the it's it's different. It's just starting to fill up your I can't really tell you till game. What how it's going to be. You know? Different. How many groups of broadcasters? They are for this for CBS for this entire tournament. But would you say that your group with Laven Jackson in Washburn? Are you guys the best dress groupie think of of all the CBS broadcasting? Jimmy Jackson joined the group this year that level just went up so oh just walk into Giacosa. Hello nice about ten the rich Eisen show. Anyway. Yeah. As soon as he as soon as he arrived on the scene automatically. We went up notches part. Look like that much. We appreciate your time today. Brad. I know you guys got a lot of work to the dumb. We will be watching man. Good luck today and have a great rest of the tournament. You gotta Kirk. Thanks, man. Brad Nessler see has broadcast. Oh, man. That was actually a question because you know, Jim Jackson guy. Why? No. I mean, he definitely brings a little swagger to the broad. You know, Steve lavon, we know him. He's excited. An we've seen Sundays in the NFL would Washburn. Evan usually had the euro cut suits going. So yes that that may be the best dress. I guess group of broadcasters for CVS and this. I'll definitely be watching what they got on the day as broadcast. I like to say, okay. We'll guys got going on art. I see you're bringing it today. You're going. Right. I soon we'll see you gotta stand is just Friday. You wanted to bring at least sport coat one day. I've been here since two, and you know, I like coming out with you gotta buy dress up at least one day should've gave me a heads up. I mean, I would've plan accordingly. No, no, no, no. I can't let you outside. I would have put on a new pair shorts. Eight four four two zero four rich eight four four two zero four seven four two four. We've got a ton of phone calls just talking about Tom Izzo. And and what he did yesterday. A lot of people. I don't understand why people that the pushback because to me, I I agree with the way that he coaches his kids because I've been down that road before I've been in those situations before in a lot of players sometime they need that wakeup call. A lot of guys are you know, what Charles Barkley always say the AAU of sports now, you know, where the AAU everybody's gonna call you and tell you how good you are. Sometimes you need someone to tell you that. You're not that good. That is a mistake. That is not. Okay. So that's I'm calling it for the phone calls on that one for sure what else we got some NBA news and all the stuff going on with the NFL proposed rules going on. I'm trying to figure this all I got this entire rule sheet over here. And I'm like. Kansas City Chiefs, come at the patriots. Now is that what it is? Maybe I don't know. We'll talk about that. Obviously my prayers coming up on the third hour. We'll talk to him about that. But I think we we'll take a break right now. Kirk will hit these phone calls waiter. We'll talk about Tom Izzo and what happened yesterday. I wanna get your take on this. Because I know obviously point in the NFL NFL coaches, are let's just put it as it is crazy and want to get some stories from you. So we'll all come back here on the rich Eisen show. Kirk Morrison filling in for rich in sports trade can make or break your team, a good one can mean a championship. But a bad one can set your franchise back for years, and it is no different. When it comes to selling your trading in your car, you need to make good choices in with truecar. You've got a star on your roster. Just go to truecar simply enter your license plate number and watch. How your car's details? 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Oh, look last night. I got excited watching the tournament. And it wasn't just because of the players. You know, obviously, those are great performances. But I I've told you guys this already I'm drawn by the coaches sure, I'm drawn by the chef skis is though selves bay Himes because they've been in this tournament. They know what to do how to make the adjustments. But they also do one thing which is get the most out of their players. And do we ever hear someone bashing those coaches when they leave or graduate know, all the players seemed always come back because they realize that coach actually cares for me because they get to the professional ranks, and they realize coaches air just to coach they're not going to try to get the most out of you don't want to get the most out of yourself. Hey by we'll go out and grab somebody else. But Tom Izzo did last night just talking in and truly getting the most out of some of his freshman players and guys who weren't playing up to speed. I liked it. And I brought the presented the question out. There is that what we still need. In sports. And I know right now think Todd into Lido want to weigh in on Tommaso Todd and Toledo you're on air. What's up my man? What's going on? Appreciate you taking my call. Listening to that in the little issue that I had is so many people have initiative with coach Izzo. And how he you know, how pros the player I played in the late eighties under a guy named Jean Katie who from the same cloth during the big that big ten time, you know, about night was there Judd, heat Cote will really got after his players who was on his staff Tom Izzo. So you know, he's he's always been that kind of a coach. And I really think the only people that should have an issue with this is the student athlete himself and that kids parents because they knew what time is was he's been out here for twenty five years coaching. So his resume is out there. And if they have an issue with it, then I'm sure there were a lot of other places that that kid could have gone, but he wanted to go there and the parents liked the kind of tough minded coaching. The kid was gonna get and all these guys do is help prepare you for life after basketball because of kid goes to college and all he wants to do is get coddled and taking care of. That's not what this world is all about. And I think for the next level if you look at his own his resume and all the guys that have played in the league got a high percentage of guys who have been successful. And I think that comes from the level of coaching that they got once they were in east Lansing. Appreciate the phone. Call Todd definitely I agree with that. I agree with that one hundred percent. And the reason why I -gree with that is I can almost guarantee you guys I will guarantee that after that game was over coach is a winner and hugged every player on that team say, hey, guess, we'll sell us welcome to the tournament. Because I I've I've got friends who are coaches in college basketball and college football, and here's some of the stories. That coaches go through on a daily basis. I mean, we just see the final product when they're on a court right on the football field. But what leads up to that point? And I remember last year when all my friends he was on the tournament. And he said you'd be surprised the faces of the players when they get out there for we talked about Brad Nessler that I practice, and you know, usually your practice and is just the team. But also, you got fifteen thousand fans there watching you practice. I saw Zein Williamson practice yesterday watch a couple of clips of it would Duke. And it's literally you thought it was a game. It was that pet that many people came out to see him. So you have to grab their attention. How do you do that? And I go back to my high school career. I had a tough high school coach loved today to today. I just saw him a couple of weeks ago and every time I see him. I think him just for always, you know, just putting things in perspective for me. Because sometimes you forget, you know, you think you've got it made. You think you understand it? You think you know, it all and all of a sudden a coach just brings you back down to a point. You're like, wow. You know, I had a coach in the NFL. Remember, I told you before he said, hey, we're out of the mob business. That's not what we do here. My beds are for guys who make mistakes. I don't wanna my bad guy. He's if you plan, and you doing everything that you can you working hard. You are going to get beat some place, but you can never get beat for effort. And if you see in another coach in college Kurt your playing like I'd never seen you before. Now, use some other choice language, and he got about I want to say he got about two right here. He got literally into I think our nose touch eskimo kiss like his our noses touch. And I think if you haven't seen a football coach on the sideline, you know? Usually they've been drinking a lot of water that the saliva builds a little bit. So we got. Will spit on me. But I was so upset I'm right? Never been so upset in a game. Before that. I literally wanted to punch my coat. I wanted to punch him so bad. But I restrained myself in you know, because I knew what he was doing and kid you not I had the best game one of the best games of my college career after that. I mean the best game to a point where after the game. Like, I said with coach Izzo, my coach came up and hugged me. They said, that's why do it. That's why do I do it because of that performance because if you watch in the next day, we actually watched the film together me and him and I watched the first half. And I was like I was a different player. I'm like who is that guy? And I watched the second half of the game where he kind of you know, lit into a little bit, and it was night and day. So I get where coaches those coming from. And that was just a regular season game. For me. We're talking about the tournament where you have to make adjustments. It. Not yesterday not five minutes ago right now, you have to be able to adjust. And that's what we're seeing. Some teams aren't able to do that. We got a couple of games are ready tipped off. Today. We got what ole miss and Oklahoma going on right now at eight nine and the south and you got Cincinnati in Iowa. I picked Cincinnati. I took doklam Homa's will. So though the couple of my teams I got four today back to for a second though. I think what people who are taking issue with this. You know, the headline on ESPN today is coach is a won't apologize of interesting. Take on that. He was pointing he had his finger pointing and he was really up in his face. I think people are saying did he go too far. Did he cross the line was he showing up Aaron Henry do think any of those things are true? No. Because we don't know the context of why he was pointing. You know, if he's points. That's you. That's your man. Right. That's your backdoor cut. That's our scout. And that's one thing too. That's the hardest thing I've ever had to to look at a guy who got beat on a scout. Or a report or something that we did before the game that we went over a hundred times, and you got beat. I think about this one. Okay. So it just came to my your member that Thursday night football game between the chargers and chiefs member this past season. Yes. And everybody was all Patrick Mahomes. Charges score. Touchdown. Remember that? And then they go for two and they get into a stack formation health going get into schematics on you real quick, but they get into a formation. They force Kansas City to have to make a decision that they probably were just weren't ready for or went over one hundred times. And they busted that coverage. Touchdown or. The chargers they win the game. Right. Those are the type of place that I've had coaches circle come back and say, you wanna talk about preparation because you never know when that most important moment will come and you have to be able to communicate you have to be able to do your job. That's what coaches those point about. He's pointed players say, hey, that's your effort. But also your communication that's on. You. You gotta be there. You've got to be on that. And we're talking about eighteen nineteen twenty year old kids with social media, you know, fortnight which people in the NBA said, they need may need a ban or baseball talking about four different locker rooms, by the way. But with so many distractions around for, you know, the the younger generation, how do you grab a hold and get their attention. So that you don't have mistakes. You don't have those mishaps and for Izzo like one of those mishaps that can cost you a game. Like we saw in the mayor of the tight game last night that game. It was. Maryland was by to believe yesterday Maryland in who have yesterday Belmont, Maryland Belmont. You know what I mean? Like, those are the types of games I'm talking about that it gets all the way down to the end in one my bed. One my bed. Guess what? We're packing up we're having exit meetings. The next day. You know what? I mean, we we talk about contact us is we don't know that we know the context of the finger point viral video is him going after him with his hand up and his finger in his face. And do you think social media is kind of helping kind of flame? The fires to this story. Sorry for the football references today. But there was another one I saw this season divisional round Rams versus Cowboys Christmas chard with defensive backs defensive coach for the Cowboys. He's over there in he is lighting into member Laden Vander H and Sean Lee on the sideline I go to the Pro Bowl a talked a latent Vander show. So you remember what happened on Ceylon during that play? He said, yeah. Coach was led me know that what I was doing was not right. And I think Tim for it every single day like coaches are going to give everything like, you respect coaches like that. Right. You know, what I mean in certain players, they respect to be coached our players want to be coached that. 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Middlekauff - 3 & Out - AB keeps looking worse; Rodgers defends himself; Dak should give a discount

The Herd with Colin Cowherd

52:59 min | 1 year ago

Middlekauff - 3 & Out - AB keeps looking worse; Rodgers defends himself; Dak should give a discount

"The. What is hard? But I was so afraid I could lose everything love is wonderful and confusing magical and infuriated everything about life that we had thought and planned and hoped for was just in that moment gone. I was so so so lucky to have that trying the millions of listeners who've made committed possible with our new season launch April. Listen committed on apple podcasts the iheartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts. What is going on everybody? John middlekauff that would be me ran out five tasks that would be this what you're listening to recording this on a Monday night as you listen to me right now about twenty minutes away from the the national championship game. I having lived in the on the east coast for a couple of years. I got mad respect for anyone that consumes sports on that side of the country. It feels late for me and the game starts at six o'clock or six ten nine o'clock tip off. I mean, jeez. Louise, I get TV ratings and stuff, but I struggled to stay up past ten. So I don't know how you do it Monday night football. I remember when I worked for the eagles. You know, you the game Saturday fifteen it's crazy. I got mad respect for you guys as force fans on the east coast coming up big show. We have aby juju beef all over social media. Aby looks pretty bad. There's really no way around it. Aaron Rodgers kind of comes to his own defense. Of course, he does. I mean, what else was he going to say? And I thought Stephen Jones had some pretty strong works Dak wants deal. It's gotta be team friendly, and I got news for you. Dak should want to do a team friendly deal with the Cowboys because it's colonist talked about forever. And is anyone that just falls? The ball knows. You are more valuable as a cowboy quarterback than you are with most teams, but let's start with Antonio Brown, and he's gone back and forth with ju ju in kind of started with an innocuous comment from a follower to Antonio. That basically tweeted at him a picture of juju being the team MVP eight and then Antonio kinda crush them said that he'd screwed up their season with the fall, and then doodoo comes back at basically, I you know, kinda shy. Oh shock couldn't believe you taking these shots with all ju ju had ever done was get his back and the kind of went back and forth and why they didn't really go back and forth. But I think ju ju was kind of her then today Antonio Brown as of Monday tweeted out. A screen shot of a direct message of juju when he was at USC just reached out like you would if you're a college kid, and you you were in finance if you had like Warren Buffett's direct message the sentiment direct message that basically paraphrasing here I play USC I play wide receiver. I love what you do on. And off the field kind of ironic. I wanna know what makes you great. Like the dude was just looking for words of wisdom. Then the irony is that the Steelers end up drafting him he goes to Pittsburgh. And they have a lot of success say it all the time. And I think a lot of you guys on social media easiest way to get hold of me Al on social media at John middlekauff to the middlekauff mail bag a little later slide up in those DM's same with my Twitter account is a Twitter really kind of now days. People are so emotional Twitter. I'm not very emotional Twitter. I was a couple years ago. I've gotten a lot better at just like not being. Phased by ship because at the end of the day doesn't really matter. But earlier at don't do it as much anymore. You know, exactly what I stood for what I thought about in everything in life. Whether it be sports, whether it be politics, whether it be food like if all my Twitter account. You got a pretty good feel for me, everyone that I follow for the most part if I follow them for a long time. I know they're two colors. I know exactly what gets under their skin. I know how they view players. I know how they've you sports. I know how they've you business. I know that most people in the sports media like there's this narrative both of the sports media is really liberal. No, most of them are I follow them. They're extreme liberals, which again, that's great part about America. You can think however, you wanna think, but with social media, I know how you think well within Tonio Brown probably within the last month of this trade going through. I think a lot of people including myself. We're like, you know, what? Some of the ship. This guy said is defensible Big Ben kind of have history of being a dick kinda has a history of being a Miyagi kinda has a history of being a drama Queen. And you know, what, you know, maybe some of it was on Big, Ben, I think most people agreed. But then this comes out ju who's thirty harmless, and who has stood for everything. That's right about young players in prose force. Good guy. Interacts with fans on on. Social media is tough player is a really good young player works, really hard. I mean, the direct message that Antonio took a screen shot of the day. I I'm a little hesitant to go all in on this one because this has a little bit of a WWE feel and these guys are good with social media. So are they just making this all up, I won't discount? That's possibility here though, it doesn't feel like one. And I don't know why juju would partake in it, especially. Because levian came out tweeted out a picture of something that James Connor had sent him about congrats on the deal and how much he admires him and stuff like that. So it didn't really feel like this is all being made up. But I would be naive to say that it's not a possibility that this is all thick. I'm going to lean on the side that this is real, and I'm gonna lean on the side of this. Antonio Brown's drew colors. This is the guy that Ryan Clark said oh my God. You don't wanna pay that guy because he ain't gonna listen to a soul. And my biggest issue with this entire trade was not paying Tonio Brown. He's worth twenty million dollars a year. He's top-five wide receiver I've ever seen. He's been the best receiver arguably in the league for the last four or five years worth every penny. I have zero issue with what they paid them. And I obviously have no beef with what they gave up to get him. But what they gave up to get him. They were able to do that. For a reason. Most teams in the league didn't want to touch. Him. And then the teams that did wanna touch them did that one of an ad money. Because the moment the raiders got him. The immediately empowered them by throwing more cash where it's not like, you know, what Antonio Brown's at six straight years one hundred catches thousand yards averaging eleven touchdowns year. He's making thirteen he's underpaid. So the raiders gotta take 'em. He was making nineteen and a half million dollars. That's the thing with Antonio. He's Ben making huge cash since really starting in his third year in the league. They have taken care of the Steelers took care of multiple times. He's not been some underpaid player. He's been highly compensated, and he's been highly productive. It's been a win win partnership. But this shows that he's going to arguably and I've had a front row seat for forum I've dealt with their dysfunction I've dealt with. I I got no issue. I don't think gruden's like some slap. Clearly, I mean, he's a he's a legitimate NFL coach like he can coach schematics, but I do. Think since he was last in the league with Tampa. His ego has grown exponentially. How could it not for ten straight years? He was making six seven eight million kept getting raises it Monday night football because people were getting on their knees begging become coach their team college. And pro finally the raiders convince them to do it. But like I said this on this show a time go he didn't come to the raiders out of the goodness of his far and to give them a hundred million dollars. Not fifty million dollars. Which was another team offered him. Fifty was another team offer him sixty was another team offers you took a hundred million dollars. And I thought it's been pretty disingenuous. The grew says like, you know, I won't players will play for free because I would coach for free. No, you wouldn't coach for free. You wouldn't cook for eighty million dollars you'd coach for a hundred million dollars? But the one downfall thought of Gruden beside personnel. And we'll see if he empowers Mike Mayock, I would bet against it. I would bet on them having problems too. Outlets too headstrong guys and just I would bet against that marriage. Not because I don't think mikes. Good. I think Mike is good. I think the group is not gonna listen to him. And he just grew all the power in Mike submitted a such where I see a problem here is because Derek is he's a people pleaser. I actually don't think Derek even when he plays bad him in a bag aims. Why had that many issues I see with John and Antonio Brown Jonah's had famous once before with Keyshawn John's he had famous situations with the raiders back in the day. It was like the Alex biggie. Go guys he butts heads with Antonio Brown. Who beside the New England Patriots played for the most consistent organization in the NFL in the Pittsburgh Steelers. Played on fantastic teams are gonna play offs every year and played with a whole quarterback and still had issues. So what is he going to do when he runs the wrong route? And I'm not saying he's going to run the. Wrong because you want won't know the play just because he's pissed off. Or he has some sidelined blow up him Gruden get into it. And then he tweets out something because it's proven like we all people on social media that just can't contain themselves. They get so emotional about politics. Oh, my Trump. Like what does that accomplish? They just tweet. What is that doing is that if you're like wanna help the poor people just drive to the area and give some money or close? I don't know tweeting about it does nothing, but we've seen it. Antonio tweeting about this stuff does nothing, but he can't help himself. He he's caught up in his own little world. And it's his progress of his right? The problem is is not an individual sport. This isn't tennis is isn't golf. He is connected with the other two guys on his team. And it's coaches, and his coaches, you know, you could argue not the most successful coach in the league. But he might have the big eagle in the league in Jon Gruden and I don't John loves them. I know John raise about his work ethic. No one ever had a problem. The Steelers never problems work ethic. They never had a problem with him. Understanding the offense. His issue was clearly not getting along with other people. And that to me is a pretty big fundamental issue in any office setting in any team setting like that's a problem. And you're also downgrade. Quarterbacks. Derek is not as good as Ben. I just not even an argument and even in Ben's bad days, he consistently gave a b the ball like AB was targeted countless times every game. It's why he averaged over a hundred catches for six straight years tech. The average targets of the ad for six eight years. They were extremely high. So it's not like, you know, what they're mad at Tonio Brown. Remember the story that came out a couple of weeks ago? I think levian said was talking to somebody SPN and will say something like, you know, what when Ben gets mad at you. He just won't feed the bowl, what's good theory. And it's fun to say when everyone assumes that Ben doesn't like AB AB doesn't like Ben. But the numbers don't agree with that. And I believe staff lie, but the stats do not lie. How often they fed Antonio Brown the pill? Derek has had to I wouldn't say diva wide receivers crab through be closer Tamari Amorgos, different personality. Both relationships did not end. Well, now, they didn't like Bannon AB, but those guys personalities aren't necessarily like that Crabtree. Derek did not end. Well, at all clearly Amari Derek were not on the same page at the end the difference of this situation. Now Antonio is dramatically better than those guys. But he can't throw it to himself and Derek has game where he can look horrendously bad, really bad. So what happens if that's week one or week two and their own too. And it's through two weeks Owen to and they've lost to gains by an average of double digit points. Antonio Brown has a total of ten targets. What happens then I'll tell you. What happens more likely Antonio Brown goes to social media and people like me, I love it. I can't get enough of it. Great stories. You doesn't like it the team Gruden and that were becomes a problem. That's why this guy was available because he is a problem. Now is he malicious we could argue the semantics of. All day long. I know this in two thousand nineteen now that social media plays a big part of society and clearly a big part for teams because all their players are on it. You would like guys that are kind of low key. And that you don't have to worry about freaking out. No different. If I ran a media company. I would want some people to kind of contain themselves about certain things other than sports, and that's been a big issue with certain, you know, media entities right ESPN said, hey, guys stopped talking about politics. We're in sports like Antonio, you can talk about yourself. But should you be ripping other people in team dynamics? Now, you could argue is not on the team anymore. They're not on the same team. So yeah. But how long can tell he takes shot at an offensive lineman. Another receiver the defense, the coaches to me, it feels inevitable and that is going to be the downfall of Antonio Brown, and Oakland, it's not going to be his talent. Because we know his talent is a Mets it's going to be his ability to contain himself, and we. Have proof now over and over. He can't. 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But he spoke putting pretty glowingly about McCarthy also took some shots at Finley great Jennings. Who clearly that he doesn't like which I don't blame. We all like in dislike other people, and I said. Last week on Friday that I thought Rogers look worse than McCarthy. My guy loyalists nerve Jeff Schwartz former offensive lineman. You guys probably follow on Twitter. If you're listening show texts me on Friday, whatever he disagreed that. Mccarthy look back in my thought on the whole thing was I think McCarthy already was for the most part the overwhelming perception just in football, which just casual football fans think you know, McCarthy wasn't that good of a coach and he really benefited from. Have Iran is on his team. Now, he had some really good teams and ten eleven twelve right? I mean, they wanna a bunch of games they made it back to when NFC champ your game for the most part though. I think these last couple years even the year the Atlanta Falcons went to the Super Bowl that team wasn't very good. They got hot late, and it just felt like a basketball team Rogers carried them and it felt like from that year till he got fired both people in football. Don't think that highly of Mike McCarthy, and it was clear this year with all these job opening. He didn't get a job did not get a job. Now. I will agree with Jeff that are not make McCarthy. Look like, it's pretty clear some weird shit was going on with massages. But like I said last week to me it looked worse on Rogers. Just I get that some of his former teammates don't like him, and we knew that too. But anytime you read in detail about being a dick one like I said to your mother, you're usually not getting the benefit of the doubt from fans now, I think we'd all agree that in this situation. Like in any business situation. If you got to pick between two people you're going to pick between the more important one. So it was easy in this decision. But I think the reflection from Rodgers now puts a ton of pressure after this article on the season has a new young head coach who just looks like a male model or something who hasn't accomplished really anything. They spent some money for the first time this off season, what feels like ever since Reggie White or Charles Woodson in Reggie White. They landed Charles landed in their lap teams in one, but this season spent some big money they have to first round draft picks they have their own and then they have the saints. But I did think this statement by rod kind of stood out to me. This was a smear attack by a writer looking to advance his career talking with mostly irrelevant bitter players who have all have an agenda, whether they're vanishing their own careers or just trying to stir up old stuff. And I wanted to say that sometimes moments. Like this. And I don't blame Rogers. And I don't know what's true or not. So of Rogers in truth is right at what's stanzas line. It's is not alive. You believe it, and we all kind of live in our own little world. So Rogers thinks that even if you are kind of an asshole, if you think you're treating people well, you don't be selfish Nestle, even people in your public figure people talk about you kind of like, you are, you know, dick. And I think that's kind of how we've talked about Roger's for a while the difference. He's last couple years. It felt like he was just kind of doing his own thing him and McCarthy clearly didn't like each other. But now with this new coach you go. Well, maybe he does a little self reflection. And goes, you know, what maybe I have to be nicer teammate. But then you read a comment like this just miratec. I don't think he's gonna look at himself in the mirror biggie needs to change. Now. He doesn't really need changes player. He's a great player. Now, it needs to probably be a little more fundamentally sound I've talked about that in the past. But he probably has to do a better job. Because one thing's clear. Him in younger players didn't always see eye to eye. Why got news for you? Erin as you get thirty five thirty six thirty seven your teammates on the other end of the roster are going to consistently be pretty young, right? You're going to all the hell this you got to first round draft picks potentially who knows what they draft. But it might be tight end might be a wide receiver. So it might be two guys throwing both at twenty two or twenty three you better make a conscious effort to get along with those guys. And you say what you want about Brady. And if you can't learn his playbook, he kind of shunned you right doesn't throw you the ball. But at least he makes an effort. He makes a big time effort as a teammate. So you can say whatever line you stand. Whether you're pro McCarthy, whether you're pro Rogers when you think they're both in the wrong, however, Greg Jennings to Michael Finley, Ryan, whatever to me, it's not even as much about that is Aaron step back at all in go. You know, what for the guy that they gave one hundred million dollars guaranteed to that? Actually the contract. Work. He got eighty million dollars through the last like six months. Do I need to adapt and change a little bit. And from the comment about a spirit hack. I'm taking it. Now. I don't think he's in the wrong at all. So I struggled a bed again Aaron Rodgers because such good player. I bet against us battle floor character watches press conference. I've talked about this before I was blown away. It looked like he was not just nervous but over his head. Now, it is an enormous job. It was I'm not gonna judge one press conference because I did go to Tennessee titans. Practice last. Okay. I thought it was pretty impressive on the field now to be impressive on the field. When you're kind of just a bystander trillion kinda yelling at guys, right? You stand out if you're screaming and staying on guys, and he was he was yelling at the wide receivers and tight ends and Marietta. God this guy's got a presence to them. Now that's been one of the knocks on the coach doesn't have a presence to but will Rogers make a conscious effort with his coach and definitely is younger players because potentially depending on how this draft shake at shakes out. Out. He might have to skill guys that are twenty two years old that they just drafted in the first round. And I would bet against it. Just like I bet against chip Kelly changing when he kept getting hired just like I'd bet against Jon Gruden changing because when you're paid so much money, and even if people crush, you the direct deposit always makes you feel an I've never experienced this. And I hope that I can always be self reflective and take a step back. I think we all do but human nature when you're getting enormous amounts of money for guys kind of defined your success, right or wrong. And I'd probably lean. It's not necessarily right now. Roger success has been defined on the field where he's been a fantastic player any deserve the money. But in his mind, he goes, I've been sodium good we've won if anything because of me. So I do understand why he would say maybe I don't have to change. But this is a good opportunity for maybe to take a deep breath. And like is there anything I can improve on. Because when you stop. Improving whether it's just with your basic fundamentals, which he's terrible at I mean is fundamental are awful, and it gets them in trouble or even as a teammate or a leader. Hell you can read any leadership book, you always have to be volving. You're gonna get yourself in the rough situations and the divisions. Probably never been better with the bears going to be really good. I think the Vikings are going to be really good. And even even the the lions are going to be improved. But those teams are just better clearly better on paper and they were better on the field than the Packers. So as a fan of football in as a lover of Rogers, the player, not necessarily the person, I do there relevant, and I hope they're good this year. But I just don't feel that confident that he's going to make a willing change. Okay. Let's get into them. Cowboys. You probably argue the biggest brand in the NFL and anything they do is a story this weekend. I think it was Friday night might have been Saturday. I don't know the weekend. When you're when you let loose and get after it. All kind of runs together, but they signed DeMarcus Lawrence for a lot of money and Peter King actually had some really good nuggets. This morning is I wanted to call it M QB, but it's like football morning in America now because he went to NBC about how Stephen Jones got on the phone with DeMarcus Lawrence and typically the way it works in the NFL. I've never negotiated a deal. But I talked to enough of these guys they just deal with the age. Right. You just deal with the age, and you don't often talk to the player. And that's where some issues often happened. Well, DaMarcus Lawrence's representation told him you should call even jumps. It will help make the deal go through and they talk, and I think clearly it worked out because he got paid. Well, Dak Prescott and Steven Jones made a comment that they need to sign a team friendly deal. Basically the deal is going to get done. It's got to be team friendly, and I was thinking like for how many people in a lot of you guys. And the expansion of this podcast is really grown over last year. The reason you know, who I am is because of Colin coward. I'm on Colin cowards. Podcast feed. If it wasn't for that a lot of you guys. Maybe eventually would've found me, I believe cream usually rises. But you might not be listening to me right now. So out Colin coward this podcast. Even if I were to start it completely on my own probably would had a lot less people listening. I know for a fact a lot less people would listen and more than likely many of you that have your ear pods in at work. Whatever would not be listening to this. I need Colin Kaepernick much more than I call them. Call and Catholic Colin coward, not calling Kabir Nick much more than he needs me. I'll promise you that. I got news for you. Dak you need the Dallas Cowboys much more than they need you. Now, they do need you to and to me. That's why the analogy of me and Colin does a work like they do need that. He is a good quarterback. And he's a good player. But I know colonist talked about this on his show. He benefits a lot in love. Repeat eight a lot from being the Dallas Cowboys quarterback. And that's the one thing that Dallas has other teams like when Khalil Mack left. He upgraded teams. The bears are bigger deal in the NFL than the raiders. There is not a team that Dacca go to unless he took over for Tom Brady. There would be a bigger deal than the Dallas Cowboys. So whether he takes a little less money, and when we're still talking when I say less money, I'm talking like a five year hundred million dollar deal. So average about twenty million dollars a year in guaranteeing, like sixty million dollars. Now Dak sign that probably not. But if you smarty would because the amount of money that he could make the Dallas Cowboys quarterback is basically infinite especially if they win and they're gonna be good. The roster is loaded. You wanna keep this roster going and his two key pieces on offense. Zeke the best player on the team needs to get paid. I'm sorry. Dak he's much better than you. As a player Amari. I probably wouldn't pay Maury this year. I'd make him play out the fifth. Zero option, but he's gonna get paid to especially if you have a good year, but that has to realize the Cowboys have a lot of leverage in this. Now, how do they find a quarterback? It's not like they have an unlimited amount of leverage because they do need what he brings to the table. But the the problem with Dak and the elephant in the room with with that. I think when you talk to Dallas cowboy fans they go how good is he's never going to be a top five quarterback in the NFL. He probably on his best day is like seven to twelve and he has some days where he's like fifteen to twenty. But because the team is so talented, you can get bought and light Colin capital when he was with the forty Niners, and I would say Colin was more talented than deck faster, runner bigger arm. The whole deal he benefited a lot because he was also like that a flawed player. Very inaccurate. Could not just throw basic routes and Dax downfalls usually the deep ball. He's terrible app counts. He was loaded. The defense was absolute stack. They're paying a lot of people a lot of money batch of Willis Navarro Bowman Joe Staley Franko Vernon Davis. Michael crabtree. Justin Smith, all than Smith, Ray McDonald. I mean, they had a lot of good players some of them turned out to be questionable characters, but they could ball. And that's a big part of the Colin Kaepernick hype, which he made happen just like Dak is a big part of the Cowboys winning because when they're playing well, he usually is planned decent. Even if it's with his legs. That's fine. They're defensive so good down the stretch. But he wasn't good enough in that playoff game. He wasn't. That's why the in the peak of Colin cabinet was a better player than deck. Like, you could win playoff games with with gaffer. Nick as long as you're team was really good. Can you do with Dak so far he's one and two in the playoffs and in two of three playoff games his rookie year when they lost the Packers. He was good in that game. This year. He wasn't very good in the game gets Ramsey's fine against the game in Seattle, but they need better. And to me. That's why I'm not rushing. I agree with Stephen Dak if you're willing to sign a team friendly deal, we'll sign you right now. But let's act like you don't need us. We're not the Jaguars doesn't the Houston Texans. This isn't Arizona Cardinals. This is Dallas Cowboys and you've been the quarterback year. Enjoy a rookie. And you want them first rounder you were amid round, and you, you know, you were hiking guy, but he did a D Y right before the combine that probably cost you around, and we took you. We didn't really believe in you off the bat because you were like third and fourth string quarterback took Tony getting hurt than to kill a Morgan. It took some things happening. But you took advantage of it. You took it vantage the opportunity like any human has to do in life and ran with and you've been damned good, but you're still flawed and you have to admit that. And you can the one thing about where I always side with players you gotta get your money while you can't what when you're the Cowboys quarterback. You can make psalm. Much money. Would he be on the Campbell Soup was the Zona carbos quarterback? Of course, not they would not have chosen the Dallas Cowboys quarterback. And he's good. And I actually think he's got room to improve. But I would recommend. I don't think it's crazy to sign a team friendly deal because unlike some of these organizations where you go they can get cheap. I know the Cowboys they're all in with their chips, and they need you to sign a team friendly deal. Not. So they can pocket some money because they want to sign all your sweet teammates deals as he just did with DeMarcus Lawrence. They wanna do Zeke probably want to do with the Maury. They wanted to with all these guys. That's where cabinet got screwed. He's a team friendly deal. And they start letting guys walk like, Mike you potty Michael Crabtree. Frank gore walk that Jerry gonna do that jury every guy that you want him to keep in that. You would think like I'd I'd want eagle my team. So does Jerry Jerry draft 'em really high. They're gonna wanna keep Amaury. They just traded a first round pick form DeMarcus Lawrence became a franchise level player. They. Broke them off. So, but that if you want to your adamant that you're eighty five million dollar guarantee guy, which are not. And if you make the playoffs this year, you're probably get that your your team is not going to be as good, and that is going to reflect your ability because I saw it firsthand con- Capri the first couple years when they started letting guys go he wasn't good enough to carry and Dak is not good enough to carry them. But if your team's really good, and it is and it's complete offense. You can run the ball. Now that you have Amaury gal terrible. You got a little bit of a passing game. If your team stays complete. You got a chance to win a Super Bowl as a Dallas cowboy quarterback again, not the cardinals. Not even the Seattle Seahawks. Not the Minnesota. The Dallas freaking Cowboys. You will be a lifetime legend in every let's say you sign for sixty when you have signed for seventy five million a promise, you you easily make that much money times tenfold in you'll never look back and you'll be a lifetime legend, so. Listen, Stephen Jones. He's not trying to screw you. Thirty million Americans are living with diabetes and more than eighty four million are living with prediabetes. Why has this disease become such a widespread health crisis? It's Baratin day. Thurston host of spin today. We're coming to you live from south by southwest with Connick musician. Tim McGraw the CEO of the American diabetes association. Tracey Brown and lark health co-founder. Julia who we get the latest on the progress that's being made against this silent epidemic. We're in the movie theater in my girls were with me, and my wife and sure enough to trailers into the program my face pops up on the screen this movie, and my daughter looked at me and says, geez, dad knows about forty pounds. Heavier. It was a wakeup call to me that you know, my kids are old enough to notice the lifestyle that leading because kids can be very intuitive. And they can be very smart and making drop words of wisdom on you just like that spit is an iheartradio podcast, which three and me. Listen to the latest. Episode in the iheartradio app. Wherever you get your favorite shows. Okay. Let's get into the middle middlekauff bail bag. Got a lot of good middlekauff, mailbag Instagram. You can always get a hold of me at John middlekauff is my Instagram handle. And it's the easiest way to get on the show you just fire into my DM's, and I'll answer your question. Good insight on Charlie Ebersol. You're the only one so for which sounds like the correct take on him. Sounds like he is a party boy in dated Britney Spears not too long ago. Not even a question just reading positive comment try to keep positive on here. Hey, john. Do you think that Vince McMahon throws a shitload of money at gronk, and he ends up at XFL either as the face of it or as a face of a franchise that is a hell of a question. I never thought about that. The only thing I would say for gronk is money hasn't been an issue. He's been making a ton for last five or six years everyone. Close to is adamant he saved at all. So he's not in financial, you know, he's not anywhere near financial hardships. He's retiring because he has a bunch of money in the Bank. He doesn't need the physical, wear and tear. Now does he make some sense as a face of the league? Yes. But if he's not playing that only goes so far. But I definitely think it would make some sense right for Vince to get gronk involved in the WWE. And then kinda use him with the XFL. That's genius. So yeah, I love that idea. I just I have a hard time seeing him playing in even if the XFL is cool that first year, it's not going to be great football. Let's call what it is. I watch them. Af it wasn't that great is gronk who's going to be a hall of Famer gonna come back for a season or two on the field for the XFL. Have a hard time seeing that now if they gave him fifteen or twenty million dollars, even if he's got money in the Bank like listen, we've all been doing well at certain points in time in your life. Where you like, you know, I need the money. And then someone offered you a number. You're like, well, actually, do it like we we all got a number. So what he play one-season the XFL for twenty million dollars. I wouldn't put it past. Vince, I would say that I have a hard time seeing do it. But you never know. I definitely think there's already some connections with him and wrestling him. And Vince, I was thinking more would just the WWE. But why wouldn't you get gronk involved in football? So best question. I think we've ever had in the middle cough mail back. Love it. So, hey, John enjoyed your last podcast. So in your mind, who's the bigger dirtbag for enjoy for ignoring their family, Patrick read or Aaron Rodgers pretty good question for me to have a dirt bag ranking? I have to know the reason you don't talk to your family. Patrick Reid felt was more his wife. Patrick reads, defending masters champion golfer. George speed hates does not talk to his parents. But he's got kind of sketchy past Rogers doesn't have a sketchy past. He's never been in trouble or anything. He's just kind of has a pass where people think it's kind of a dick. So I would lean Patrick read. I think they're two different animals, but I've been saying a lot of people that have been text me about the erogenous thing like again, man, unless she had like criminal activity against you. Or, you know, left you when you were a child not talking to your mother, if you're a guy and she still alive that one's hard to justify. I really don't see how it is justifiable. So they're both to me. I got Nassif red flags now from the little information. I have a little more on read I go read bigger questionable individual. I think Roger's in from people in the know acted like Libya mon- played. Some role. But Rogers today when he talked to the media. I mean was adamant one thing he kept saying was claiming that he doesn't hold grudges or that he thought like that him still holding a grudge Alex Smith was like, preposterous, preposterous. Well, wouldn't it be kinda crazy holding a grudge with your parents over something that happened years ago? Like, they're your parents man, and you're in your late thirties meeting there. Probably I dunno sixty five seventy like they're not going to be around forever. You might want to get on that. And just call her and see how she's doing. Hey, John, not a really big various sports fan seeing that I'm from northern Ohio. But since I've been listening to you in watching your life streams, I've gained an interest in the bay area as a whole what are the chances that Gruden may take Devon white over Josh Allen on Twitter. It seems like Josh Allen is a lock to go to Oakland. If Williams and Bosa are gone it to three I definitely think it's on the table. I personally would take probably Devon white. I'm going to write something. This week on Josh Allen. I really only watched Josh Allen hardcore in the bowl game. So a lot of my thoughts on Josh Allen have been through friends in the NFL that they've been adamant about two things whenever I go out or Bosa people that I trust the most guys that I work with that. I know what they're talking about. And don't have skin in the game. They're not getting these players because most of my friends are in the playoffs. They say that they don't even think it's close that boasts is a much more natural pass rusher. Josh allen. If you talk to certain people that go, you know, he's really more of an overachiever. Now, he's talented over Jeeva like he plays, really hard. There's another plane heart like Khalil Mack plays really aren't bond Miller place, but they have a lead actor beauts. I dive in and watch Josh Allen six four is long productive. But how's it going to translate? And also he is a from what what I've talked to more of a three four outside linebacker think Alden Smith. Now Alden could play for three and three or four. And you could argue nowadays. You're in passing situations so much hands in the dirt or you can stand it doesn't necessarily matter. But the raiders are they an ideal fit for him. I'm gonna have to look at that later. I think Devon whites really good. The one knock I've heard on Devon white from my people in the league. And I watch a lot of Devon white. And he makes them just incredible flash plays. He's a freak athlete and can fly is that like think roquan last year what made roquan so special. He was a heat seeking missile because he was so instinctive, so we was always in the right place. And I got a front row seat in the prime of their careers. Willison Bowman what made them so dominant. I think Keithly was like this to it is like this. When he's on the field is there at letting ability is elite in their instincts are elite and then their physicality is elite. So it's like they're always around the ball. And my buddy was like Devon white. Sometimes he just he makes some plays even though he's taken wrong angles or is in the wrong spot because he's a freak athlete. Now. You can get away with that in. College. But every step you take it gets a little harder. Now, he's really young. You coach them up for sure. Like, I watched Devon Bush who is not going to go as high as Devon white. I'd say Devon Bush's. Best attribute from that. I've seen is his instincts elite instincts and to me I that matters at linebacker. That matters a lot. You have to admit that the Steelers raiders rivalries renewed. Yeah. I don't think there's much of a rivalry there. Demarcus Lawrence has a new deal since he won't plan to the franchise tag could the team technically use a franchise tag on someone else. No. I think there's a date that you have to franchise them by before the season ends or not the seasons before the league year starts. So whenever free agency starts like the week before the franchise tag. There's a deadline the after franchise them. And then once you franchise, and there's that deadline the middle of June or July they have to sign it by. But yeah, I don't think they can franchise. I'm no cap guru when I don't know all the rules, but I'm like ninety eight percent positive that once free agency starts you can't retroactively franchise now, you can jank the franchise tag or yanked the transition, tag like happen to Josh Norman. That had happened to falls or they just never franchise them. But you can yank it at any time. But you can't add it now, luckily for them they would have been in a tough position had like Zeke and DaMarcus benefit agent. And if that had been the case, I think they would have been more active and got one of them done. That's the thing about the Cowboys like next year. What years this for Zeke is this going to be as fourth and it's going to be a March fifth? So yeah, I guess next year technically, they would have a Marin Dak would be free agents. So you can only franchise one. That's why I think it's fair to say in safe to say that they are one hundred because Dak is going to be Dax fourth year, and he was a mid round pick fourth round picks these four year contract there's a March fifth year option. So you that's where you get a situation where if you wanna keep them both you better get one sign this offseason. So then worst case scenario to me. I'd rather sign Maury because I think I'd get Amari little keeper probably sixteen seventeen year. If Dax not signing. Team friendly deal. Like, I'm sorry. Dak you're playing out this year. Then I'll franchise your next year unless we win the Super Bowl or something. I'm not. Not giving huge catch. You just you don't deserve everyone on this in this planet beside Dak in his agent. Maybe it's family know that. And I also like I said earlier, I think it can be a win-win with back. I really do. I think him making twenty to twenty two million is not a bad deal at all. If you're UCLA. Why aren't you sending the house at Chris beard from tech seems like a no brainer. Will now that I'm way deeper in the podcast. Let me flip on the national championship game. It was just reported that Rick Barnes, former Texas coach now at Tennessee who had them number one in the country. Virginia as I'm recording. This is up thirty seven twenty nine I feel like Virginia's gonna win. But Rick Barnes. When I grew up having grew up in Davis. And what's about forty five minutes away from Berkeley? And my dad we used to go to Cal football games. We're also big Cal basketball fans, I became a pretty big UCLA basketball fan because I had a family friend that played on some of those teams Steve Laven and it used to. I mean, the west coast we were actually weren't very good Football Conference. Like when I was growing up Stanford wasn't good cow. Wasn't good UCLA was okay was down Aaron Tony was okay. Like, Oregon was solid. Washington was okay. Oregon state was decent. Like the Pac twelve wasn't great in football. It was much more of a basketball school because UCLA was good UCLA. Really good Erazo was really good Stanford with Mike Montgomery was excellent. In was solid Washington. Washington state had their moments. So this conference was a basketball conference. We'd laugh at the SEC. Now, the SEC UCLA who is like the equivalent for basketball on the Pac twelve I wouldn't go. I mean, they're basically are Kentucky can't even get Tennessee's head coach. It's crazy. It really to me. It's a reflection of the conference, and I say it all the time. And it's part of it's bias part of it's anger part of. It's just facts. There are four major conferences right now in college sports, and it's in let's call what it is. When I say college sports basketball football in really, the main thing is football. But basketball's big to the SEC is the cream of the crop. The big ten is right there. The ACC is damn good because our basketball conference, but they also their best football team is Clemson. So they've one to three national championships. So they're pretty good shape. And the team big twelve. I don't know they got Oklahoma. They shipped text text in the national chain. Ship. And then you've got us. So you got the big four, and then like, there's a tear, and then there's the Pac twelve and then like right behind the Pac twelve and hell, you can even argue not even be that big of a difference like the mountain west whatever the hell conference, and they call that one that Houston UCF's in. You could argue the last couple of years, those conferences have been every bit of the equal in basketball and football as the Pac twelve and it's all about money like the the highest paid coach out west is Chris Peterson. I think he makes four four and a half million dollars. That's like what I don't know. Ole miss pays their coach. What do you think? Kirby s'more. Dan mullen. I'm not even talking saving Mark stoops or Mike stoops's, whatever the brother is a Kentucky. Remember, I had a buddy that was coaching a position in the SEC a position was making like four hundred fifty girl. That's like what we pay off its coordinators out here financially we fallen completely behind because you can coach basket definitely football in like the big twelve or the SEC or the ACC. I mean dapple make eight million dollars dabbles coordinator makes two that's NFL money. You said you'd always go to the NFL because you make more money. What you don't need to leave Ohio State for the NFL the hostile and for the. The coordinator page you one and a half million dollars to the coordinator clemes you coordinator, Alabama coordinator, Florida coordinator at Oklahoma. You make huge cash. It was always like you gotta go to the NFL that's the private sector. That's where the big money is. Now these colleges pay so much unless you're in the Pac twelve than you, always leave because the money's not there. And again, these are first world problems guys all make a lot of cash even lower no-one's crying for offense coordinator in the Pac twelve making seven hundred and fifty grand. But when you're just factoring in the industry, they're not competitive. And now, it's it's football failures have now bled. Into basketball UCLA can't land a coach save their life. It's kind of sad. Kind of pissing me off to be honest with you. I'm a huge fan. And I was wondering how they might go about building a team around. Russell wilson. If they signed him to a new megadeal, and how much you think the new deal would be worth. I think I might have talked about this on the last podcast to me a fair deal would be. No, math major. Let me pull out my calculator five years times thirty five million dollars a year that's one hundred seventy five million dollars. So he's thirty one years old. I give you a five year deal at one hundred seventy five million per and one hundred twenty two one hundred thirty million. I'd started hundred twenty I'd give one hundred twenty five million. How you build a team the salary cap is no longer seventy million. You know, it's we're talking two hundred million this year one eighty eight. So by next year, it'll be like one ninety eight it's gone up ten million a year for the last five or six years. Who's only going to go up and they have a ton of money. Now, they're owner just died. But I have no problem giving him five years thirty five million dollars per and guarantee in one hundred twenty to one hundred thirty million. Here's my problem and people feels like there's some smoke and people like, oh, they're going to trade him. And I don't Collins talk trade them for what like how do you replace him? He's basically the Michael Jordan of their franchise. The best player they've ever. Had now you could argue Earl Tom's they've had some really good players even with the early. Russell Wilson team. But the most important means a quarterback. So you're gonna trade them for even if you traded him, let's say again, some crazy hypothetical. The raiders would offer you six first round picks. How are you gonna find Russell Wilson with one of the first round picks? I give you six first rounders. But how do I fill the Russell Wilson? Void. I got news for you. You don't why you don't trade them. Why don't even entertain trading? This is why you pay him. You make them your quarterback for the rest of p Carroll. John Schneider career. Just wondering why the NFL doesn't have a sponsorship patch yet on their jerseys like the NBA studies have shown that sponsor patch alone is brought in over one hundred fifty million to the league see the NFL owners should talk about this the league wide meeting. But I'm not hearing any information about it. What are your thoughts? Well, I know the Niners the Cowboys and the eagles off out my head. And I'm sure countless I think the Vikings a lot of teams on their practice jersey. So like during training camp during TA's all their players or interviewed have them. I don't know if there's like league bylaws anyone that's involved in some sort of club. And that's basically what the NFL is just a. Fifteen billion dollar year club. There are bylaws. And maybe they had written in for the jerseys. I'm not exactly sure on the wrong to ask on that. But I do know for a fact that many teams in probably you guys listening because I have so many from all you guys probably every single team represented that listen this podcast. You know? Oh, you go. Oh, yeah. The Bengals have all the saints have won most teams on their practice jerseys now have one now why don't they have on the game more jerseys? I would guess and this is just an educated. Guess it's in the NFL bylaws that you can't mess with the jersey. Maybe it's easier in the NBA to put him on silent in baseball. They don't have me there. I mean golf and like NASCAR those guys are walking to sponsors. I'd be all for it. I mean, that's what you know. Really what basketball steal it from the EP L and the soccer clubs. They have a bunch of shit all over their jerseys and fans don't care teams. Good. So. I were headed that way. Whether that's next year. Whether that's five years, we're going to be there for sure, and you know, if it's one hundred fifty million for the NBA thing what the NFL would think of what a major company Netflix or whoever Gatorade or make us Gatorade already represented. But just any of these companies would pay to be on the Cowboys jersey to pay to be on the patriots, the pay to be on the eagles jersey think how much money they can make off that. So they're definitely talking about that. But they're also at the point like, you know, to me, it's it's not necessarily that. Adding that is not like pigs fed hogs, get slaughtered. It's just good business. But you got to be a little careful of that. Because they already have this kind of public perception that they're all about the money, and they are as they should be. It's their business model is to make money. But I would imagine we're headed toward. You know, Google on the Zona cardinals jersey, whoever, but you can always hit me up at John middlekauff middlekauff mail bag Landry questions, they from all they're pretty good this week watch the end of this game. And I will talk to you Friday. We're not that far away from the draft right around the corner, godspeed. Enjoy the week talk y'all soon. Are you scared about the possibility of a second American civil war? I'm Robert Evans. I'm the host of the podcast behind the bastards. And I've worked as a conflict journalist and a couple of actual civil wars in Iraq and in Ukraine, and I'm here to tell you I am scared of that possibility. 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The Sedano Show (Hr 2)

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The Sedano Show (Hr 2)

"Users outta show. You're on ESPN LA turn up in here right now. Bart Scott, Chris for space, nipsy hustle. Rest of peace news. Yes. Right. And all my life. No down before you hit on, you know, nipsy family has turned down a couple of venues for like two thousand seats because it's just not enough seats and size. We'll get it done. They're looking at rumors are they're looking at across the street, a Staples or the form homely, I say Staples Staples can handle that. Because if you do it at the four around. But that's that's Inglewood you to bring in the national guard. This. I hear you Inglewood. Yes. That's kinda hood for him. Right. So yeah, I'll do in good. I would do it at the form. Yeah. I agree. I think that's an iconic venue about. That's what you pay your respects too lazy league? And you know, all these guys that love him a lot of NBA players because she's a big basket. Yes. And if it's next week on a Thursday, it seems like a lot because the playoff seasonably over. Thirteenth. So a lot of guys can come and pay their respects physically. It'd be pretty dope. Hardened westbrook. You start thinking about damore Rosen. A lot of. Oof. Man. I'm seeing this debate on Twitter before I go and move onto the Kobe stuff and the Draymond stuff where he's kinda shady with with K D about Jimmy Butler. Yeah. What would you say? He is top what player top twenty top twenty top twenty top twenty. Okay. Yeah. Let me give you some names Utah me if you think let's just go through roquan because it's like forever is raging debate on Laker Twitter right now. Because look let's face it after what Wendy came in here said yesterday. That's what everybody. Right because they dropped the podcast. But those guys were in here after they dropped before the podcast launched, and we talked about Laker fans should probably start cozying up to the idea of maybe Jimmy Butler is the guy they end up adding in free agency. So there's a lot of debate on Twitter right now about that. So I mean in any order you want to say Katie LeBron staff James harden, Anthony Davis Jaanus, right? Like that's your top five or six. Embiid. Yeah. Oh, yeah. In the top ten. Right. Russell Westbrook stone the top Paul George in the top ten in the top ten. Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. So then after that, Damian Lillard. Yeah. Chris paul. Yeah. I can put him there clay. Yes. Yeah. Then it gets dicey. After that Yokich. Definitely. Oh, yeah. That's fifteen. Yeah. And we haven't gotten to Jimmy yet about Ben Simmons. Are you there with him yet? I'm not I'm not, okay. That's fair. Kemba? Okay. So that sixty. Kemba Kemba top twenty man all star. For reason is a killer that sixteen would you rather have Donovan Mitchell then then Jimmy Butler as a player not enough yet? He played enough. Our okay. Jim. Yep. You go Jimmy hours for Donovan Mitchell. Hip how about Ola depot when he was ready. Over over Jimmy. I'm still gonna Jimmy okay? Call Anthony towns. Go car town. Okay. Seventeen. Bradley beal. Like, Bradley Bill a lot too. But I think I will go Jimmy, okay. Okay. So Jimmy's is in that top one twenty. Yeah. Eighteen maybe we can debate a few there. But he's in that conversation. Twenty five. Yeah. I would agree. I think he's a top twenty player. But people are trying to make the argument. He's not those people crazy. Yeah. I think he's top twenty no less than twenty five. But remember he's at a point where it's like a lot of people. He's almost like a wash you're saying. Well, you want him here. Like many actually say, yeah. I can't say one guy is better than the other because they both bring the same amount that he's not, you know, he doesn't have that elite skill set like LeBron or the top four guy that you mentioned hardened staff and all those guy go why? But he brings a a shooters mentality brings defense he brings leadership. He brings a lot to a team of kids plays hard. Right. Two way player to get you buckets. I'd take him on my team all note. No doubt about it. Yeah. So this is not Jimmy Butler fan. Yeah. I remember. I was I Kirk were you in here the day that we told the story with the mean where buyer Inamine, and I were on the air together all of all the Jimmy Butler stuff. We were getting like blow by blow live reports on television having to react in real time. All that stuff that was out. And we were laugh at about it. We're like a Larry's me. But I mean, it also show what type of guy he is. Yeah, he wants to win right? Where he told me third stringers and beat right? And let me make this clear. Right. Would Jimmy whatever he signs say long-term. He's gonna wanna full max. Okay. And full max for him which start at thirty two point seven million dollars. The Lakers have the have believe room for the thirty nine point six million dollar max, which would be like Kevin Durant. So he's just it's based on years of service. Right. Right. Right. So Jimmy, the thirty two point seven max, he's not at the full full. Right. And with the Lakers be able to add someone else. I mean, you probably got like seven million leftovers you talking about like a mid level type player, you know. And then you still have probably the mid level exemption. So I mean, you could you could look it just depends on what you do at that point. You put a lot on. Jimmy to have to carry a big lower. Yeah. Because you come in here to be, Robin. Right. Absolutely. Yeah. Just trying to I know you gotta let the next here free agent or the free agents that come in. It's not like you're playing along with LeBron you're playing as the second option, you're Robin. And how do you tell? You're batman. Yeah. How do you? How do you tell a lot of these? You know, what I mean this second tier of free agents you're coming here to get beat the second option. See that's what I'm that's what I said earlier Kirk I feel it LeBron has to go out and let these guys know that they're not the second option. I need you more than you need me. I need you Jimmy Butler whole lot more than you need me right now to win a championship to bring a championship back to Los Angeles. So he is basically saying I'm gonna take a backseat a lot like LeBron going to Miami. That's the way that's his home. That's his pal. And he did that into Wayne. Wait finally said this Joe team. Yeah. You're the better player take over the same and LeBron was like coup because at first he wouldn't he's not stepping on his toes. Right. This house because Dwayne first year when they were playing Dallas the best player on the floor was not Dirk Nowitzki, Dwayne weight and then LeBron. We know what happened right? And you know, he had a miserable series. But so but for so for him to do that at that time where he could have been a second finals MVP? Right. And so you know, what the best way for us the plays through you go. That's what LeBron needs to do. George. He needs to say, listen, I got two years three years tops left. You know, I need you. You know? So here's the torch. You gonna help us win a championship? And is that Horford alpha dog do absolutely was there. Some of that with Kareem magic. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Magic magic. Look. We knew magic was our best player. Right. But he was he was no way inhale he was gonna try to take that title. Corinne was there. You know, the captain, you know, he never would disrespect him by saying that was just he understood that, you know, we need a cap to be the captain into do what he's been doing for twenty years when he'd left magic. Okay now. That's my this is my team. This is my turn. But we know his team before. Right. You know, the players, you know, we knew it was his team, right? Because Kareem was at the end of that career was at the end of his career Kareem one go, you know, you know, when guys is going to be sitting there huffing and puffing about his. This but magical, go even try that. Right. You know, but behind closed doors. He never had to say, we knew it. He was demand. Right. You know? And like like, we're talking about LeBron has to kind of you know, swallow his pride a little bit and say we're gonna win. I gotta get somebody in here. They can carry the loan. I gotta get somebody can carry a little just like d way who could still carry it back in the day said to him this team. You gotta take we gotta play through you. And he has to he has to recognize and listen LeBron James is one of the smartest dudes in basketball. Correct. What out a doubt, I'm pretty sure he's already figured that out and understand that's something that he's going to have to do this. Speaking of LeBron we talked about maybe some surprises that LeBron had here in LA and Kobe was on Sirius XM today and discuss that very same topic. But he knows I know injuries decimated the team. Just relax relax come back next season regroup. I think he has he has enough poison understand that the thing that may be caught them off guard was just the market. Like, you know, like, I said fancier don't play like like, I know. 'cause like I was dealing with the when I had, you know, smush those guys which guys I'm looking around like, dude. She want me to do as like is your fault figure it out? Like, you gotta we don't wanna hear that. We need a championship the buck stops with you figure it out. And that's that's what LA don't play man said he bring the best out of their players swish. Parco son just hanging out somewhere. Just gave him my head. Yes. Hit him in the head. He'll coconut on the beach somewhere. That right. There was almost like gossiping. Costal what? Now, you know. And I love show boat. That's Kobe Bryant nickname. But he got do a couple of other names. And then why you just want those Bush NATO always my voice Melissa couple of. Tackle some of the stuff. He said on the what he's saying. Let's tackle what he said on the other side. Plus we didn't get to the on throw in shade at K D from the shop. We'll get to that. And Rams fans. I don't know how to feel about this Todd Gurley news on that. We touched on briefly. They will ask Kirk what he thinks about all that coming up. Kirk Moore's hanging out Byron Scott here. So Donna show UCLA sit down show here. ESPN LA Kirk Morrison here Scotus years. Well, we're hanging out with you. So I want to get to this girly thing because Kirk I feel like I don't know how to feel about it. It's all I'm saying Kobe said the thing on Sirius XM was asked about LeBron. And let's say, you know, Kobe was honest, right? Kobe doesn't mince words, and he felt like LeBron may have been a little caught off guard in some cases in his first season. Like, here's what Kobe said on Sirius XM if you missed it earlier he knows and I know injuries decimated. The team. Just relax just relax comeback next season regroup, right? I think he has he has enough poison understand that the thing that maybe caught him off guard was just the market like, you know, like I said fancier don't play. Like like, you know, I know 'cause like I was dealing with. When I had, you know, smush those guys which guys I'm looking around, dude. She want me to do. And I ll as like is your fault figure it out? Like, you got gotta we don't wanna hear that. We need a championship the buck stops, which you figure it out. And that's that's what LA don't play me and bring the best out of their players show. The funny part about that is not Justice mush Parker part because that's funny, obviously time you invoked the name of Smersh Parker's always funny now. It's funny. Wasn't funny back then. But he's right. It's your fault your fault that you're stuck with Bush Parker because you basically for shack out, right? Jack's not here because you guys couldn't get along. So that's what he's saying in that regard. That LA was like it's on you you made this app team. Now you wanted. Let's go right. But I don't know if that's the same situation as LeBron is kind of, you know, come in here taking over. But to extent of what Kobe just said as far as the fans. He's absolutely right. Yep. They're gonna look at the superstar and they're gonna point the finger right at him. And I think, you know, LeBron LeBron handle all this in the media all his life since he was in high school kid has been a fee nom. Everybody knew who he was in high school. Everybody knew he was one of those guys that you knew it was going to be a hall of Famer when he was all said and done so he can handle all this stuff without any problem. But maybe maybe the LA market as far as the fans not saying. Well, okay, we understand that you had all injuries. We understand that. This guy has been we understand it this. You never really had your full full roster. We understand that. No. That's not LA's way. That's not the fast way. It's either championships are bus, you know. And that's that's been you know, ever since I can remember, and it's not gonna change anytime soon. It's funny that you bring that up because Wednesday a stop by UC will spring practice and how to sit down with Klay Hilton, you know, their spring practice tour, and I asked him just look Klay held in your going forth season your first season rolls bowl second for surface Rose Bowl because you win the Pac championships time, you know, they runner up, but the second year Pac twelve championship you go to the Cotton Bowl then last year. Five and seven, right. Like, are you happy that this year? You don't you have lower expectations. You talk about in LA. They it's championship or bus, regardless. We've feel like we're almost professional sports team at USC. It's about championships championships. And to Coby Coby point was that we fill it here at SC that we still feel like it's your fault fault. He had to make changes he changed. He make changes to coaching staff. He's got lashing. You had a freshman at quarterback this year. He's going to actually have a competition. So I'm bringing all that up because that's what the Lakers are going through right now. It's like, you gotta make some wholesale changes. Some that people may not agree with? But you're going to have to do just in in what happened with Kobe after that because they had to make the trae for deal for problem. Remember it got ugly. He was talking about trading. They wanted to be traded. There was the Andrew bynum stuff. Remember the stuff that somebody caught him video in like some strip mall somewhere. And it was like Andrew bynum like we could get Jason Kidd. There was all that stuff. So. Yeah. I mean, I get all that. Lebron's gotta work. He will. Yes. To Byron's point earlier. He's going to have to he's gonna have to work. Lebron has never really look recruiting. He's done some recruiting. So Brian winters in your yesterday and made a great point he recruited Kevin love. Okay. He recruited Kevin love. He actually recruited Paul George before. He left Cleveland. The reason that didn't get done was Indiana at the end in wanna train them to LeBron. But also, Dan Gilbert didn't want to pull the trigger on the deal because after trade all his assets for two guys that we're going to be free agents. And LeBron walk Paul George was definitely walking. I've seen that room that Paul was willing to come join LeBron James so lately in his career. He's done a better job of that. Whereas as you pointed out Byron in Miami that was delayed put that together right now LeBron helped with Ray Allen and Mike Miller those kind of guys those role player guys, but he's going to have to go and help. And get the big Fisher. And by the way, the little fish to fish is not yet. Once he gets the big fish is job is over. It really isn't going to have to get those role players can come in. And also, you know helped him win the championship. So I it's going to be a whole summer. At the baby step. Well, again, I'm looking at it this way because I know goodwill, and we always say if you know 'cause it was fifth wheel. Right. But if these guys don't have the injuries that they had this year they have been right. There's no doubt about it. So you look into the second year now coming together keep someone to assets and some of these pieces that we're talking about then we're looking at a possibility of them being able to challenge in the Western Conference and the enemy the third years when you talking about now, we ready to win a championship. I do think that I'd like to see them all be aligned though. And I mean, LeBron magic, rob. Because it. It's about it. Yeah. We'll just talking about yesterday the day before yesterday that they're the team is not aligned right? Like everyone's kind of in for their own interests. And whether that's getting on the same page is how to build this roster because they kind of seem to be I guess, but clearly that was a mistake the way they built the roster. They need to all present a United front. I think that's as important as anything really at this point. We didn't get to the girly thing. We'll do that next because Gurley was caught on teams E leaving the club. Oh, limping oh. So why Uniqlo so we'll get to that stick around? And we did play the dream on. We'll have that for you as well limping club. Byron Scott hanging out. Kirk Morrison is was Olympic in it too. Hope they was in and out UCLA so data show here on ESPN LA. Byron Scott Morrison hanging out with us today. So tiger -ly. Yeah. Was leaving Craig's? Yup. Couple nights ago favorite joints in West Hollywood. And was limping now it was rumored. Earlier in the offseason. That perhaps Todd Gurley would get stem cell surgery. We were just talking about Coby Coby if you remember had the PCP or whatever the blood blood replacement mud spinning in Germany. Yep. So my if that indeed did happen. I feel like that would be potentially a good reason for him to be limping, you know, just had surgery if that's the case, then I'm okay with him, limping because you got to recover from the surgery, and hopefully that works and he can play and get all his money because we all know in football is monopoly money and the guarantee and his guarantees are a little weird. So and clearly the Rams need him too. But Kirk how are we feeling about? All this like, what do, you know anything where you act Craig's just not get you? I talked to someone close in the an atoll girly camp. Okay. And Todd is fine. Okay. They've been saying that for a long time now is tied. One hundred percent. I mean, he's coming off a Pro Bowl year, all pro type year had a lot of cares. And I think when you look at the injury history of tiger Lee having the knee injury in college. And then his first with he's been the league. Now, this is four years of just pound and pound and pound, and I think the coaching staff realizes that that they gotta go about this differently time. You know what I mean? Like, we talk about what what's what's the what's the new NBA word, they use now low, man. It is for rest gist, but you have to look at load management with your players, especially that guy. He's not just your you know, your five ten one eighty five running bang ordinary best not an ordinary. This guy is six foot three two two sixty three two hundred and thirty five pounds. Right. He's going to get hit. Right. And you need him to be excelling in December January and February. Correct. Whereas he had a great first three and a half four months of the season. And he didn't have enough down the stretch because of injuries, right? I think that's the same thing. He's gonna start to seize off as players and. You always feel great in the beginning of the year. And that body just brakes now like I watch myself. My one of my coaches would say. No matter. What you don't look the same regardless. Like you turn on the tape in September, you live, man. I'm running to the ball. And you turn on December. You like, whoa. That guy's not the same player, but everybody's going through there. And with Todd. He really needed a complimentary Beck. And so all these reports he's limping he's doing that. I mean tide is going to be timing did have the surgery man or not to surgery and go to your he right now. He's doing doing the Kobe. I'm watching videos. He's doing this ability training on that knee. I'm watching. I'm also you during the break, he's not limping he's just basically trying to get a strong as he's you know, he's going to fight. You know, I think arthritis obviously, remember he's had that need been surgically repaired before. So no matter what it's always going to act up on them. And just at a time where I saw the play where he got hit. And I said darn it's not good and it will similar to the LeBron injury. Where I don't think the Rams thought. It was going to linger as much bitter. I think it was the same thing with LeBron Agron injury. Okay. You'll be back in three to six and all of a sudden this may be a little bit longer than we thought because you just can't tell everybody's body heals differently and with Todd. Yeah, you can get one game where you're like. Are you feel good like Dallas next game? You look totally different. So to kinda cute me to kind of close it all up. Yes. I think he is perfectly fine. He's healthy. But it will be load management coming up to season surprise they draft the back to George you've been Craig's, right? No. I have not heard you've been been creek. And if you sit there and eat dinner for couple of hours when everybody, you know. Yeah. You don't see a lot of people. Go see TMZ when you walk out to. Unless you a rod and J lo who was sitting there one night when I was in went out the back told me the kitchen kitchen, I was like best cool. You know, then if you sit there for dinner, at least me, I get up, and I'm limping. Okay. I'm just stiff, you know. There's five restaurants. You don't go to. I was kinda great catch. Rigs. Dan tana's? What's the other one? I actually work across three from. Let's see Mr. Chow. Yeah. To madeo. Dale madeo? Yeah. Okay. I'm Dale and going to. Restaurants, like, Dr driving wave, okay? Okay. But Todd Todd let me he's handling and case in point like Jerry Goff is a quarterback the Los Angeles Rams in Los Angeles and get you don't hear nothing about right? Yeah. You know, this crazy crazy. It is. Well, now, let me get to this dream on things. I've been talking about forever. So dream on went on the shop. I told you you go on the shop things are going to happen. Okay. If you own anything shop, I've said this before you go on a shop as an NFL player you go on a show on one team, you leave the show. Tony bennett. Today all different teams than him. Although the players say if I want to trade it, I'm going NFL, right? I'm gonna NFL GM though. I don't want my players going, right? So here's what dream onset on the shop about. And it was basically about how LeBron has kind of led the way a lot of cases. But listen to how he talks about certain people who kind of tried to emulate it with a little bit of a twist he laid out such a blueprint for guys like myself and everybody like he laid the blueprint out. And I think so many people are frayed to follow it. So many people make a mistake trying to light mimic what Brian and self and mave and rich and Randy and all y'all have accomplice people make mistakes like. Trying to mimic it with a twist. It's like, yeah. We're going to do that that they did. But we're gonna add. This twist say are. Idea and I completely idea. As opposed to say a word. So why you're watching that the person who create who on Twitter because people on Twitter creative? Hell they put like side by side all the things that LeBron did I and then K D did that looks exactly like, okay. Like LeBron got the shop. Katie got the boardroom. You know, the Brian invested in some tech company. Katie gotta tech company, LeBron invented created entertainment arm, and Katie got an entertainment arm now LeBron goes to Miami, Katie goes to Golden State like they put all that stuff side by side. And it's like, oh, yeah. I think dream on is legitimately talking about Kevin Durant because he don't look. Let's be real. We talked about earlier. I don't even think those guys like each other anymore him and Durant. Right. Right. Well, I can see him throw in Shay it Louis shade. And remember, he's also a client of club sports. On the show. So we saw that come in by the way, who we'll we'll get the love from dre mind as he will be free agent coming up so not this season but the following year. So we'll see what the Golden State Warriors feel about him because he's gonna want that big Macs deal and use all of a sudden now, you gotta figure out how much of that luxury tax you willing to pay not can they pay. Yes. But it may be minus Kevin Durant. But that being said, though, when you when when you know last night, I think we forget that Kevin Durant and LeBron really good friends. You know what I mean? And they all came out member cameras caught him go going dinner out here. Lebron Katie my like, they're all in constant contact with each other. And we saw the Brandon Katie last night chumming it up a little bit. But. But I mean, LeBron has laid the blueprint. He was the guy that did it. I so no matter what guys do it behind. I mean after him it's going to look different. You know what I mean? So the the main focus is who it's Kevin Durant because who else can make decision like LeBron that carries that much weight. Wouldn't if Kevin Durant go somewhere else the shift of power in the NBA chase like we know when LeBron came over to the Lakers this year. It was like Kawai Jaanus issue. Turn James is yoga Aaron because the James harden, but the east this is your team this show this show baby now and she'll turn turn. It's also on the side note. I can't wait to criticize Janas because we've given them a pass along. Now. You know what I mean? Hey, you gotta win ready. You want now. Now for me is this the greatest form of flattery guessing, that's the bottom line. Draymond is definite shoney's shape. But still when you see somebody like LeBron James who's been so successful off the basketball court. Why wouldn't you copy it? Right. A great. If you have the the wherewithal to copy it, why wouldn't you guess? So to me, I met Acadia one bit. What he's saying is give LeBron is probably just saying I'm doing which is I before McDonald's. Dow the we got the big exactly they got to go to we got going. Whatever he was saying they wear plaid. We were solid. That's funny. A role. I got a row, but I got a few minutes. Okay. You got another one. What else we got? We got what's trending next. That including a big NFL signing. We'll tell you what's up with that. Byron Scott here. Kirk Morrison Saddana show being the data show here on ESPN LA Byron Scott Kurt Morrison with us today. So we allow stuff to catch up on here. Got some UCLA news got that coming up here. And just say in one of your teammates. Byron is also in what's trending, and it's not magic. It's. Oh, so we'll tell you what that's about a second. Let's get to what's hot. Let's do it. 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You know, we all ran up and gave him the biggest hug his mom and dad was there. It was listen, I could tell you everything because I you know, I was there first of all thirty five years ago seems like yesterday, I remember Kareem shoot Ness. That's got hooked break. We'll chambers wreck. It was it was unbelievable film. David Stern was there. I'm looking at the right now in Greece. Mom behind him. Yes. Yeah. Palm was there. And you know, dad was ex policeman. So right. We wouldn't worry about anybody else. Run on the court. Sure, it's gonna get dealt with that they did. But it was one of those one of those nights that I'll never forget, why do you think the cap never gets included in these conversations about the goat have no idea because every time we talk about it. I include him because I still think he's the greatest of all time to have the shot that he had that hook shot was unstoppable. The Mouna games that he he had a streak gone for so long a double digit games. I can't remember what it was when it was broken. I think it was in Milwaukee when he didn't get ten points or more, but his door -bility the way he played for twenty years winning, you know, winning the NBA championship when we beat balls in thirty seven getting final MVP again in was averaging like thirty five and fifteen I I don't understand it. I really don't I think is a lot of it's a generational. You're a lot of these kids haven't seen Korean play. And they haven't probably seen tapes. But he was the most dominant player in our air back in the day. Then I've ever seen the cap do his people. You need to get them YouTube channel and make sure people, you know, what I'm still the greatest thing also to it was a quiet dominance. Yeah. He wasn't very he wasn't this Volk. Want a big personality. Magic right. Yeah. He just went about his business. It was quite dominance. And you think that if Kareem were able to come out in this climate this the millennial generation from high school college, I his career will be on his on a different path in zion's member. Yeah, he would have had a bigger following going in college UCLA did what he did a UCLA England MBA, it's he dominated high school. He wants ample shell college. He won three championships is just in his freshman year. They beat the varsity team who was ranked number one in the country. But Kareem said all the time he said, but they were bringing them to campus. Right. You know? And then a US when they allowed they wouldn't allow freshmen to play varsity, then he plays three straight years of Archie with three national titles. I mean, I mean what he did in his career from high school college to the pros is on president. Yeah. Why are we playing Vegas, by the way against the? Jess. I have no idea. I can't remember why I don't know why gay was played in biggest. But it was Iran. That the night that we had to play he needed twenty one points. It was amazing. That is funny. He kinda reminds me personality wise of Tim Duncan in a lot of way, right like and everyone's like, oh, this Burs are boring this that and the other and it was a lot because Dunkin's personalities or lack thereof. I guess in a lot of cases. And you know, Dunkin's the best power forward ever. So there is there is that part of the question. And I actually think Tim Duncan is a top six or seven player of all time to art. He doesn't get that kind of love. And I put them in that category. Tim Duncan was unbelievable. Yeah. And I think shed gave him the perfect name too. Big fundamental. Yeah. Yeah. For just believe, no doubt. You're listening to Caspian Los Angeles. Go to football, the Dallas Cowboys and Lawrence agree to a hundred and five million dollar deal. Demarcus Lawrence sixty five million guaranteed hundred five billion dollar deal. Now the guarantee correct me if I'm wrong Kirk that that seems lower than von Miller. Right. Yeah. Lowered and von Miller Lord mirror. Aaron Donald who got eighty. And we know Khalil Mack. Most ever for a player was at eighty five. This is a contract for democracy Lawrence. He's not an at class of Khalil Mack. And he's yeah, he's the tier below. But this is still a respectable contract for a guy that played last year on the franchise tag was wanna play on the franchise tag again this year and the Cowboys just want to take that hit. I mean, there are the pay the pay him twenty a belief twenty five million dollars on a second year of tag. So you know, what it is ripping out? We already got to pay you as read out, and I think he scheduled to make more money in his first year of a contract and any player defensively NFL history. So we know last year it was Khalil Mack who got forty one in his first year to obviously the contract gets a little bit less as the morning. So I think of rumor as the numbers start to come out you mentioned sixty five, but he may be getting close to I would say about forty five million in the first year the contract kudos to him money. Oh, man. It's your money now. Now, you got to go out and prove dago question is next though who's next? About next if it's a player who's the next Dallas cowboy oh is. Really act thirty million dollars. More cooper. You gotta pay which three of those look. Is not a thirty million dollar quarterback. So yeah, that's a good question. So curtain, you football guy, who is it, man. You can't do without a quarterback. That's true. That's what this game is that good. That's the hard part about the NFL. Is that is that good? Or is that what's the going rate or is the offense line and the and the running back that good around him. But where did you go out and get a quarterback because every year we get into the draft. And what we were found that fourth round. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. But you watch them play you realize that he's suits best for what you do. And it was like a diamond in a rough kind of thing. Listen. Running back. It's pretty damn good. Marie in Dallas. Then you put your wide receiver with them and Amar. Yes, man. You gotta be great. Maybe they got. They got a lot of talent. They got a lot of talent for years to not. Not. Got more articulate. Got a gun corner. And Byron Jones, they gotta pay to George all pro. And pro he was a Pro Bowl of cheers. Let's go to UCLA the LA times reporting barring an eleventh hour resolution, it appears that Jamie Dixon's candidacy to become UCLA's next men's basketball coaches, ended Dixon's eight million dollar buyout from TCU has become an insurmountable sticking point for both sides, so UCLA no coach still under support. But didn't he he looks like, you know, Steve Laven, you know, the hair. He looks sounds like been Jalan. It's like the same kind of thing. I don't know what Jamie Dixon's going to bring the UCLA. It's not now not now. Now you. He's a California guy. But I think you know, you now you go to the backup options, and obviously the one in north Hollywood north Hollywood guy. Yeah. But you know, coming here. He's got a. It just felt you need more. Yeah. You know, what I mean like that job is a great job anymore. You know what? I mean. He's out his great as it used to be. But you still just because of that you need to make a splash. Right. Well, that's why I was in on them trying to lure Calipari. But clearly Kalahari was going to go out there. It right. And then he did easier to recruit a Kentucky. Oh, no doubt. But if he would've brought that to LA would've been great if you would have brought the one and done to LA on my let me ask you, do you just go and just say, I Rick Patino. Let's do it even with all the stuff that's around him. No, no, no, not yet. You gotta get some point where you just flat out, desperate. Yeah. And and I don't think they're at that point yet. Okay. And Tim temptations a little different now are Lewis. Yeah. Who boy a whole lot different? Yeah. Here in LA. But we do know he can coach and build the basketball team. No doubt about it. Is that we not saying anything about us coaching. Right. There's a hell of a coach the other stuff. Just the other stuff. Right. Yeah. Little to radioactives. Yeah. Okay. Enough. Next. We move onto sorry. I lost. My spothero quick here. We go. In the NBA tonight. The Celtics are playing the Indiana Pacers. Which by the way, I want before we get to the actual game. Hugh Brown and Mike Breen doing the game tonight together. That's rare treat for that'd be fun. Because UB you is one of those guys where and Byron I've told you this, and that's not this ain't this on anybody. I love all my co workers, Mark Jackson, and Jeff Van Gundy and everybody indoors, but every time you he's on. I am watching that game. Because even at eighty five years old that man is still teaching me some Huby is the best because he he gives it to you. Where you you can if you not looking at the game, it's like watching or listening to chick Hearn's visually almost watch. And see exactly what he would be talking about. He's that good at what he does. Yeah. It is amazing on the Celtics though. Byron. What are they are? They more likely to be a conference finals team or more likely to be a team that gets beat in. The first round see Kurtz editor earlier, they are jecklin and team. So either scenario I wouldn't be shocked to be honest with you if they got today's conference finals that wouldn't shock me one bit. If they lost the first round that wouldn't shock me one bit. They are jecklin high team this year they've been so up and down. I it's just to me crazy because of talent that they have. And they proved it last year that talent that they had last year got him to Eastern Conference finals, they have that same talent, plus kyri Irving plaza Gordon Hayward, which the two guys they didn't have last year. You know? So like, I said both of those scenarios are very possible with the when you're looking at this Boston Celtic team, I think this could be a match up in the first round when they play against Indiana. It could possibly be first matchup. I think Indiana needs the win a whole lot more than Boston. I think they. Need that homecourt advantage in the first round against a team? Like Boston in Boston needs against them and focus on the Lakers a lot. But when you look at the outlook for Boston come this summer. They've got cap space. They've got assets. And they've got draft picks. They don't they're not a free agent distance. Norm. I know Horford win, but he's not an a plus free agent. He's at Bryant. Plus, you got paid at that time like April. I mean when you start giving dollars, it becomes a destiny, but you think about whatever may happen to them this year. It's they're still going to be right back in it next year or they have to get better crazy about them though. Some teams they lose all we got a break. This thing up. They don't have to break it up. They can lose a piece but still gain to other piecemeal. Yeah. I it's gonna be fascinating. See Dwayne Wade didn't interview with Rachel Nichols today. And in that interview he revealed that he will try to use therapy to ease the void of retirement. He talked about openly that look he's he he loves playing the games, but the shoot arounds eventually get to you in the practices and at thirty seven years old like move on. But he knows that it's going to be hard that some nights. He's going to be watching and thinking he knows he can still contribute. Byron Kirk you guys play professional sports. How difficult is it to walk away? It's tough because game that you've been planning all your life. And you do have a unbelievable amount of love for the game. I'm speaking basketball wise, that you know, you have unbelievable amount of love for the game basketball. Is it has taken you to places that you never dreamed of it has given you things that you never magin, you know. So is it going to be hard? Just a flat out walkaway. Yeah. You can't go cold Turkey when you retire? It is difficult. My suggestion to de way because he has all these guys number in his book. Call Koby talk to him about it. And you know, what did he do to kind of, you know, take take some of that time, you know, the two that you have that that you know, that time that we have now when you don't play the game of Basque, but you had idle time what do you do at idle time? So I think he has talked to some of the guys like, you know, I wouldn't say cagey because he's close to magic. Magic entered him in on the business needs to talk to just get a hobby. I mean. Right. And s that's pretty. Yes. It's been playing say, you know, the golf course I'll play flip a whole lot of money because we MD wait. I won't get, you know, strokes plan loans play for hundred a whole he also has a new baby. So. That's a hill. That was a my thing. I think it's going to be a little easier for I think that he thinks I think first of all for me. I was retired the year before I retired mentally. I newton. You don't mean? It was just the way that the situation was and I remember it was the final cut day. And it was one of the most stressful days that I was a part of never wanna put my wife through that again. Because it was the first time my wife held me. It was like I cannot help you. Right. You know what I mean? Like, there's nothing that I can do for you. This is up to how they feel about you. Now may the team all that stuff contract guarantee, you know, year and all that. But mentally, I was like, okay. I don't wanna go through this again. So you mentally almost tired checked out beforehand. Right. So you start thinking about things what I'm gonna do next. And he's already been doing that. I think another thing goes back to what Mike sit family. He's got his boys or playing AAU basketball. He's about to be about to be still in the gym. But now working with his giants bit. He's going to be you got the little baby going. He's still going to be an ambassador for the league. And I would not be surprised at some point when his kids are either out of high school or maybe still he can be. I think he'll go into the front office in Miami. That he has said that that would be interesting to him that he'd like to be a part owner and go into the front office. So he has a luta one last thing he did say about his last game when Rachel asked him. He said that Kobe set a ridiculous bar for anywhere games. Like god. They're trying to get sixty. 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Trinyvale - Ep. 6: Dragon Duel

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Trinyvale - Ep. 6: Dragon Duel

"This is a head gum podcast. Welcome to travel trailers AMT AMT and ready to destroy you all with a big dragon but I love today. Trinidad Ale a world where cobalt complex careers. They're conniving kids have conniption fits and against-all-odds actions have consequences. It is a true adventurers paradise. Today's story begins on Iraq. Deepen the craggy clutches of the draft Spun Mountains are heroes grasp their weapons tightly and prepare for battle. Trying their best not to be poisoned by the second hand. Smoke exuded by their newest fo. Teuku Reu Ben. Dov Leader of the czar and wielder of an incredibly rare item known as the summoner jewel can our heroes withstand the vaporous embrace of grumble. Oh grimace the vape worm or will this nicotine busby their last only time will tell and so without further ado let's rejoin our heroes and begin chapter six of the trivial adventure. We're all right. I WANNA get into this fight so everyone introduce yourselves real quick. And we'll do a recap anex Lumiere. Kobo killer and Pastel punk. Yes Naik of the rented for third to introduce himself as always thirteen introductions. I in your heart wonderful on. Okay now I know y'all already start brawling with the Brood of band of but I help out Real quick recap of last session. Yes do it here. It comes piping hot for you. Open your mouth. Is My baby birds. Last time we met you just received the fourth giner at crystal from its hiding place within the body of a polymorphism Unicorn while the siding whether or not to reveal your success to blend in the benefactor you were interrupted by Mercurio delury. Who offered you a deal? Gather all five crystals for the benefactor but then secretly steal the crystals for him once. They're all altogether he also offered you. The services of Zogaj Lark his roguish half ORC assistant doubting her abilities. Jin's challenged her to an honorable three on one dual after a quick lunar slugfest. She conceded and praised your strength however despite Mercurio generous offer to basically by you an apartment you three cell were ready to trust him. Thanks but no thanks and decided instead to exchange calling coin numbers satisfied with his initial arrangement. Mercurio installed some no frost blocking Gel in your coins allowing you to contact him. Without alerting the benefactor he and Zobov then departed. And you headed back to the vineyard where blabbing was already busy loading up the space shuttle for your next mission on expect. Farewelled were brothers has yet bond and promised to send a portion of instagram earnings. Back to help them. Keep the winery afloat. You All then boarded the benefactor shuttle and departed for giner the continent that was destroyed at the end of the artifice. Wars almost three hundred years ago while on the ship you questioned blabbing about his knowledge of the gods style virus but he only gave a half remembered answer about it. Being hypothetical weapon used to stop but not kill a god eleven handed each of you a bottle bike and told you that the next crystal was hidden somewhere within the massive draft Spun Mountain at the center of the continent. And so you three plummeted to the ground and began speeding towards your goal. The ABRAM Rome after driving for a bit you were accosted by a gang of cobalt biker goths known as bizarre chargers using a combination of fancy driving and a gracefully failed acrobatics. Check from NYACK. You manage to out drive all the cobalt and make it to the foot of the mountain once. They're you notice the corpses of retrieval team twenty one or at least you thought they were corpses until upon closer inspection you discover that Norwalk a fellow guerrilla the ran afor was still alive. However before he could stabilize him on experts briefly overcome by the demon in her flail and tried to end his life. Luckily Jin's and Nyack were able to stop her. But still damn honest. You gotta get that sorted you then left Norwalk to watch your exit and headed into the cave where you agreed by none other than to Karoo. The daughter of band of the wing of cobalt defeated months ago and the Dragon Mouth Cavern on Agan Agdal. She then pulled out. A magic jewel took a huge tug and transformed into an enormous cloud dragon and challenged you to fight. And now we're all caught up okay before you floats the missing misty Mug of grumble Oh grim vis the vape worm form of two KAROO. This is like this is like Beowulf. It is exactly like Bela love it. I would say better than Beowulf. Way I would say. Beowulf is like this. Yeah you're right bit your style. You should see the acknowledgments of will not their strong enough that they love just thinks his mommy doesn't saying yeah brindles mother. That's based on me. All the as you prepare to attack. She roars loudly filling the room with silver clouds that look thick enough to eat in fact. These clouds are so thick they coat the entire chamber. Creating an improvised layer. And you know what that means. We've got their actions. Everybody Role Initiative Nyack retreat. Their actions unexcited with the Dragon. Got An eleven. I wrote an eight ten nike. Got Eleven yes. I just want to apologize because I know that we had like the big like I sort of made a terrible noise teacup right so I know that we like band ice But I now have a tea cup on a saucer like saucers equal. Yeah you also dragged it across the table. Which didn't sound good. I want to reiterate that on the last episode I cast elemental all weapon before we begin. Okay that Jin's you did something as well right. I don't think I did anything I I told my active throw glove down. I did that. That's enough grumble. Oh the vaporous form of two Karoo and the icon of McDonald's that's grimace. This is a clever pun. Claus is going to cast Kiwi Mango Cloud Shroud. The dragon creates a fog as if it had cast the fog spell. The fog lasts until initiative. Twenty on the next round. Okay so now. The room is covered in fog. It smells so tropical fresh but it does hinder your actions. You really should do that outside. It's fine it doesn't cause secondhand smoke. It's actually is the big as bad for you. I don't know if that's true actually. Yeah I think it is and a lot of websites you need to check out. I'm not going to your website. It's a phone free weekend. You ever hookah That's too bad for you. It doesn't look cool enough. I'll get have definitely done. Who Go with some GNOMES. Okay so grimace casted big fog over the entire layer and everyone has disadvantage on attack roles including grumble grivas. So can we say that? It's because we got so chilled out by the vape. Everyone's everyone's buzzing are in. This is like a weed vape No nicotine all chill you out. We'll me I get fucking inks when people smoke. That's bad all right. So you're amped of Reynolds's chilled. That's going to be on axs turn. I'm going to don my monocle shot so I believe that should even out the advantage of regular old nicely don great. I'm willing to nod deeply at my brother. Don't proud no. That's a Dorky. Stupid thing about this a little steam punk. I kinda like I'm GonNa Looks Great I to shortlist man with a monocle unexplored visual in my opinion. I've got a mullet monocle dot combination brother and brother wondrous items I would never cast hail of thorns. Ooh anti-drug drama bow. And I lose it at the two. Yeah and shout out to the two own eleven total eleven not going to do it go okay by the second thank you. What IS HELL OF THORNS? Do gives me two extra ten at this level. Got It but I have to hit at the twelve twelve. Mrs Onyx your turn. All right I would like to attack. Is that my mom's pantsuit. I think very invented it. It's no longer your mom's only answers to onyx. Now does a fifteen hit no. It misses Gay Dragon. I hate that. That looks better on you. Does it twenty one? Hit It with the help of my elemental. That's going to be a fourteen. Fourteen are eighty which is not the size of this pantsuit. Be That'd be a really good size. It's kind of like an Annie Hall all right that brings us to Jin's sweets. I am going to cast dispel magic on the fog cloud but now you can't get rid of my cottigny missed out of here. I take her jewel please so thick and then I would like to give us a bonus action to give Bartok inspiration to onyx and I say onyx. You look marginally better than that disgusting cobalt in the Pantsuit Omar Gun is. I do a little strut my mom a loser but like come on real compliments out easily. That's it I bow all right cool that brings us to to Karoo. They are going to use their blueberry. Slushy blast a frigid cone of ethereal energy shoots out of the vape worms. Aw tone frigid cone of energy. All right this is a DC seven constitution saving throw nineteen. All right you pass. I fail you fail as do I all right. So Jin's you take half damage Shea and you'll take full. We should spread position it so that I fall on a greater healing potion. All right this is going to be a lot of addition a death Morocco. You don't need up I'm down. Stop Rolling more. Yeah GonNA OFF. Dunkel having the days away from him donkeys drunk drunk. You take thirty nine points a damage down. Oh Okay Okay Gang. You're still I'm still up yet. I'm fine all right. Well that's their turn but now it's back around so they layer action ono half right. I'm okay they're going to like you to reassess whether or not I could fall onto a greater healing potion open getting Rolling Water Roller Twenty. Twenty fall into a greater healing. Eleven you fall and nothing happens all right. Yeah they're going to put back up. The Kiwi Mega cloud God it pre tropical. No it sucks. You already did that. You loser it's a slushy on a warm day killed my kind of friends. They're not around. Here is down my brother baby brother George Okay so everyone's disadvantage on tax. Now Okay Nyack. You're down give me a death save. Oh No right now one thousand nine on Xtra. You're down Gimme a death save seven you can do with inspiration but actually don't save it if you like get in real trouble. Zoe is sitting on Mercurio ship. Kind of like wonder how those wonder how those guys are doing. They're probably doing fine. I don't need to worry about them. They said not to watch okay. Jin's your turn sweets. I don't think about that. I would like to healing word. My baby brother who I call half stranger as soon as he wakes up Wakeup LAZY HALF. Stranger probably learned that from the human side of you. I'm sorry to dishonor you. Brother bring dishonor to our family. To of Shitty baby brother. He went to Harvard Five. Hp I know it's not much so that's a bonus action. I'M GONNA use my action to pour a potion into his mouth greater healing post reiter healing so it is going to be eight thousand four plus eight. Oh sweet Jesus auto role that if you want to. Onyx you recover 21-points. Nice thank you all right agendas at your turn. No okay so use. My action is my bonus action. I'm also going to separate from them. GonNa like run in a circle around the Dragon. Would you go? I'm in the midst. It's cool right. Breathe it in. No it sucks but you're stupid enough to put it out there. I figure I might as well Haydn. You've lost him. You'll never see my brother again. Yes I just want to get out of the way in case she doesn't other breath great so I'd like to use all my movement to word. Ms Possible good thinking it is to cruise turn again first of all. I'm GonNa see if her breath weaponry charges. It does not next so he go here go She's going to do a cotton candy. Thick rip a thick sugary missed candy. Tentacles pours out of the Dragon's mall and a thirty foot cone. Each creature must succeed on a D. C. Seventeen constitution saving. Throw or be paralyzed for a minute. Who you go in for going to go forward Nyack Onyx. Who are in the same got older. You change out your jewel pod so quickly when you're masters vapor like I am you have disability. I'm recall we're Kinda Save. Was it to DC seventeen constitution. I fail again as do. I see all are both paralyzed for one minute. How long does it it really in the heat of battle? It's one minute. Yeah oh I'll let you do. Constitution saves on your next turn to try and break the process as someone with plus two constitution. I don't feel hopeful now that I've taken care of him. I can focus on you. You know speaking as a worm. It'll be easy for me to find you because you're also a worm. I'm not a worm. You're a nasty little worm dirt alert. Broiler you come in here and insult my cool vape pods yes deliver meme. I'm pissing in your mother's pen SUV saying okay. There's a bull percent or mothers. It's an improvement. Don't you present her memory? It's Olympic sized pool. Her relationship is complex and I kind of miss her all right. Thank you purse. Lots of chicken line. She's still have chicken wine all right. We're back up to the layer action. Let me know if I'm going to hard but that's fine. H Fun. Party kills total party. Kill and I guess we'll figure it out from there. I've idea to pause the recording. Just rough okay. I'm going to do a quick role for something outside of your realm of perception. Oh and it will grow for us. She distracted by her nostalgia for her mother and she starts fighting emotional about her mother. She thinks about the day that she was in the school play and her mother filmed it and then like they went to Pizza Hut afterwards. Ajay's I feel that broke me. I don't WanNA play. I WANNA curl up in a ball and call home. Thinks about like how? They didn't get along really well after she entered high school but like she would still slide snacks under her door. She realizes for the first time it was her fault. Anyway layer action removed from paralysis. All right let's see. I think she's just going to keep the fog. Cloud going so disadvantage remains great Okay so that brings us to Nyack some role to see if I can break out paralysis. Yes okay if you can break out cannot well never mind and just no. I have greater healing on work. You can't break in out of paralysis. Nope not going to happen. Okay okay. Cool Jin's abby. It's you oh boy on me how gang all the red and you solve all the battles okay. I'm going to do it rather let me know. This is some bullshit or not. I'm going to go real quick. Okay so first things first. I'm going to run towards Onyx as I'm running. I'm going to live the coin out and call the guerrilla guy and I'm going to say hey hope you're still out front. I know we didn't get along great but you made a you mean a great deal to my dear brother and I consider you a brother and if you would fight for us I would be forever in your debt. Thank you so much you owe us. Oh yeah no problem. I just peeked my head in because I heard a loud rumbling and it's covered in fog what's going on. What's bad getting here please? Dory's spread out spread out all for you. Call me dear brother go hug my realize it might have been ducking about me. We're all brothers. Norwalk joins the battle. But they do not have much. Hp At the moment you said they had seven. Is that correct? Yes city great yes just spread out. Norwalk. And then I'm going to run over and I am going to grab keychain off of Onyx. Great and I'm going to be like another person. I'm going to need to swallow my Bryson and bring keychain into it. I'm going to do fucking third level spell Bring him on. I opened him up and throw him so that he'll be on the other side of the room. Smart TACTIC. Where are you right fog? You didn't get to see. This heartwarming moment. Where I had to rely on you but you on me. Is that true? I sure do and you live in my apartment. Read free so start paying for your stupid robot ass. Clean THE BATHROOM. Extra hard good. Do Cool keychain joins the battle as well mixing it up good work sweet and then. Would you consider that like an action or a bonus action? I'll let you have that as a bonus action sweet. Okay then I will do. Which one are you guys is more hurt? Nyack NYACK your down. Got Twenty one okay. I'm going to run up and try to further. Spread us out. Maybe you can check or something. I want to do. A cure wounds where I just like. Push him super hard. I think he's about to hug. Yeah why only brotherly embrace out from onyx Goddamn Idiots? You're just like throw him into the mist. Yeah great we weren't idiots. Oh haven't really fast. So I- He'll you for Ted Nice. Yeah Nice Work Okay Jin Zet you turn. If you he'll earn at spells. You can take my man's all of the moth. Thank thank thank you pretty powerful in battle to okay so let's back around to Karoo. Think you're a lot of mischief shirt for two crew. So she's GonNa try and slash at you now. She doesn't disadvantage jumping around in the fog. you're so quick. Learn such cool moves from my father who I had a great relationship with me too. I treasured him. Yeah my parents were separated. Elev- With my dad. Oh Oh great. That's cool. Did your did your mom like move on. I mean yeah a little bit tough. Yeah Gee you know obviously spent more time with my little brother and he got into Harvard. Super early Yeah he's a child prodigy. It's hard you know. There are silver lining a silver lining. Dr Your parents. Happiness matters as well. She wrote a foreign a two S. All right on her first attack. Oh Okay does twenty hit you God it yes you take eighteen damage God damn out. You're out you're down by Great to correal seems a little shocked by what they've done down pretty easy. I guess I rule kitchen get the potions you all stupid robot keychains. Turn now actually wait no guerrilla guy you do it. You have low. H me okay. I thought my turn though. I don't want the robot. The robot have to Greater Boston's left them keychain. Okay keychain runs over You're both parallel. Okay here's what's going to happen. Keychain opens their mouth you see the sockets in their mouth start to spark and they're going to chop down on your arm and try and jolt you out of Your Paralysis. This is like electroshock therapy And that's going to lower the DC. Ooh I'LL TRY TO DC ten dokie. Kim Hera Oh fourteen. He breaks it. Nice celebration eyebrows. Relishes is broken. Nice so much. Thank you so much potion or should I say it rather easy to both of my brothers? Okay I guess that's probably his turn so that brings us back around to the layer action. Okay they're going to keep the fog cloud going but they are going to switch up the flavor from Kiwi mango too. I think like triple Berry of this. One's the worst. It's just like no one can artificially replicate a very good dragon. Fruit like me. Jen's groans in his unconscious state boyfriends favorite. We put into each other's mouths kiss disgusting. I hit a hot. I find that. Okay now it's Norwalks turn they're going to be literal gorilla in the midst and towards. Jin's I guess. Contact them from the okay. Yeah they'll do that I I'll say that this room is small enough that they can get from you to Jin's on their turn great because this is kind of like the Atrium for the larger mountain. They're going to pour that potion down your gullet sweet and your backup for. Let Me Roll. It for twenty four. You don't okay told you things were roughing here. Yes you did. And we didn't listen to you thank you. I'm glad I spared. We didn't even make it in here. We died out there. We knew it was bad in year. Also team twenty two a little. Do you in Utah but still respect. That's worthy aggressive. After I just saved you glad. Sorry I've got your whole five Nyack. You're still paralyzed a safe. Yes Twenty One. You break it off. Turn who yes so. We spells work. I can't cast hail thorns now right like I tried to cast it and somebody. Somebody's bell slots certainly okay. That's how it works. Yeah lots cool. Then I guess lots lots take some shots with slot die monocle. I wink it my brother with my monocle diet and I can't see you in the fog just knowing weaking brother I'm tracking you. Buy Your voices now. Baby damage by drag is also. Is Your Dragon a beast? I think this is different than dragons. Yeah Fine Oh nineteen twenty five damaged twenty nine all right and with my second attack. Nineteen that's six damage. A little less impressive. Dayak that was. Oh okay I one was kind of a fluke right to grew with the Baluch. Estimated Joel Rose Thorns on that one. Oh do the yeah twelve damage. Actually ou six. Wow whitlinger down. Finally okay paralyzed. I would like to. I would like to mask of many faces in your mother's Pantsuit. Make myself look like her mother. Oh Wow okay and then do deception. Okay I'm blowing out the fog all around on its twenty one. Oh Shit she thinks it's her mom my daughter. Why do you sound European because inhale? This is however you're in hell. Yea that's fucking bad ass. I'm great I'm Awesome I. You don't believe me then I will have to punish you and I attack taking advantage. Well in advance for gears twenty twenty damage and then my second attack. Busy twenty hit. Yes who for another eleven thirty one? Total job guys bad baby. You see red mist pouring out of the dragon a little bit my daughter mom. Why would you give me a call because you are a bad baby? At least you're paying attention to me here. A bad baby baby baby baby. You'll never live up to the bad woman I was. You'll always be that baby. I'm a I'm a cool team. Pitch all of a sudden you here. Speaking over the voice of two Karoo. The dragon spirit screw got his natural mother. We'll just tore them all all just like a teenager listening to your inner monologue instead of your mummy. You'RE WRONG. It's so hard to resist being as cool then. Why does your mother also vapours regan illusion of Vape into your hand? But you're the one that hit my jewel podgy flush by Jules down the toilet. Just stick your head in the fog and pretend to smoke. I think I just swallow some fog and then blow out and assume that and hope that that looks like just well. I guess now I'm going to have to do like mental checks for Ducaru. She can resist this dragon. Spirit sway cool but in the meantime it's Chinses turn sweets. Here's what I'm going to do. I whip out to malaria. And Time Daggers. Helio and I'm just GONNA run up to this dragon take three attacks and hope that I get a nineteen it. Slow this thing down. Hell yeah bring it. Okay I attack daggers. With those Kunai. Don't watch anime get out of here. That's a twenty one to hit but not a not a cool credit d. Four plus but not cricket fanatic only four damage second attack Matt One. She speeds up and then I will stab with my offhand. Please please help me in. Crit fucking shout out to the three miss big time trying to think of. I should use a bonus action okay. You know what I'll do first level healing word on my boy nyack. What's the word? The word is half inching closer five five. Hbo Cool Dangerously Low on spills. That's your turn your cool crews turn again. And they are slushy. Blast does recharge your. You're going to use a spell on your own mother. I think that you're protected now. I'm GONNA do an insight role every time but I don't think she's going to target you for now but I think she will go after. Nyack bring it on. Come on here. We go okay. You need to make DC constitution saving store. I'm also your mother. What you see more like my brother. He such an overachiever than eleven. Whatever gets you to not kill me with your breath okay. I'm going to computer all this because it's a lot of deals. Yikes twenty-three on down your down. Okay Sorry Pal. I feel a little more conflicted about this and I should remember when I remember me as a critter. You are a little critter. I don't WanNa Gobble you up okay. Let's keychain stern go keychain Potion somebody in the mouth yes please do. I guess we'll take over tonight. Ben Key Shane is potion. Boy and he comes over to you heels you for eighteen up you might be a better roommate than I thought. I was so scared. You're down never do that to me again. Keychain slaps you living eighteen. She had more me too. I just took a somber turn. I'm so sorry so good fun. It's fun we're having a good time hard all right that brings it around to layer action. I'm going to have them role to see if they are too distracted by their mothers face to successfully do layer. Can I add to that that I've taken some blood and dirt from the ground and I made it? Because they're brother goes to Harvard right. I made a Harvard logo on my shirt. And I say and I say you know who had never treat me like this and then I rip open blazer of my pants not to reveal a Harvard logo on my t shirt I. Why are you wearing those stupid colors? I was smart that the sat's were bullshit. You didn't apply yourself. I bought you. Sat Prep and snuck out of it. Give me a charisma role persuasion or deception. Be Twenty four twenty four. The fog dissipated yes. Why didn't you do you know? He's an engineer now. He's doing really well. He's working his way up at Google. I know what it's like to have a successful brother. Fine the joy in it. Pay Much attention to threat. You're not me too because three is doing things that weren't my attention. He isn't hungry for it. Like you blew vaporous. Tears dropped from the dragons face on the fog cloud lifts I look at Nyack Janssen. I'm like this feels me. Would no good I know deserves I am just I? Oh it's fine. I spotted a sore spot and just poking let us twist the knife rest Norwalk. Kinda is impressed. He's like Dang that's that's one way to do it. I guess go anyway. I guess I'm going to hit this dragon. Yeah go get to attack. Oh in action nor let me show you have someone from Renna for fights. Norac picks up an enormous slab of rock and it. Oh yeah that's up. They get a nineteen ninety-six. Fuck yes they definitely hit this dragon. For what what kind of fighter is. Norwalk. An APE. Elia there Oh. Maybe they'd be like a barbarian or something I love. They're just they're just a normal ape the humble ape if you will a noble ape eighty four damage. Okay I attack. Hey thanks I'm doing my best. You can now go wait outside again you. I was recently dead. Fuck you agree. All right. They're gonNA take one more attack. Sweet GonNA keep chucking rocks. I think that's great. I like that visual an ape huffing a rock and a dragon. They're going to do. They're going to Hook keychain. They got a three. They miss okay. Keychain goes soaring over the Dragon's head. Don't throw our relate. I am flying. Like gyms did earlier. Everything you're being monitored by so many different people you know. I like to be very public with my instagram. But I also on the private life. That contradiction makes sense. You're easily trackable. You have to have a instagram free weekend. All right that's back around to NYACK NYACK COM. Can you throw me or monocle? Yes I can do that thank you. I throw my brother the my month. His Monaco are Michael Wood. Athletics check to see if you catch it. I'm just kidding. Thank you and since my brother is going down the monocle than I will cast favored favorite enemy. Ooh Not just lets me get advantage on tax hastily vantage. Wow does a seventeen no? Unfortunately I'll take my second attack. Discouraged nyack does a seventeen slowly. Wear them down not again cool. That is my turn. They are made of vapor. Okay all right on your turn okay. You know thirty third is coming home for Thanksgiving this year. Oh what's but I know you said you're busy. I said would bring a pie and then I attack do I have advantage Schiller. Probably not I was just wondering No I think that's going to affect layer nothing else. I also want to your pretty hurt right still Yemeni eighteen okay. I'M GONNA. I'm like you might as well like spells or anything I might as well just get killed every time the dragon hits me like people backup call and I attacked sixteen does not hit send. You're right nice doesn't eighteen hundred eighteen. Hits who okay. That's going to be eleven. And then I take my second deck. Fifteen does not eat but whatever God. I'm rolling Shit Today. Such return yes great. Jin's you okay. Alright you stupid team. I'm going to punish you just like you should have been punished by your mother along time. If you're probably right a little more boundaries would have really helps me yes I think so and then I say nobody take pictures of this and I put on the monocle and I want to climb the dragon and try to sink. The time daggers into her. Who Um I'll give you an advantage on that sweet. You look exactly like my boyfriend when you wear that monocle. Oh no steam God damn it damn okay. That's only seventeen ahead so I missed on the first one. Second attack is a twenty one to hit. So I but I don't want to seven damage. Seven are great and then I do offhand attack Twenty three two hits you hit but now my crit and then five damage and then I will look over at Nyack and I will give him Bartik. Inspiration. I'll say thanks. Thanks for throwing me the monocle. I weep to crew weeps as well. She's so envious amazing relationship. Youtube brothers close with your brother stabbing into her. He doesn't have time for me. I look at two girls. I say you're the reason I had to give up my sedan for a mini van. The Mini van had root for hockey equipment. Exactly and I always resented you for it but you always took me every morning. And you're Zinin me is what Motherhood truly is. Maybe I looked Janzen Nyack and I say again. This feels just really yeah. I'll take the mental. You had no natural hockey ability and watching you. Every Day was a chore for Your Time. She said good job she had to dig deep and lie to. Yes. He wishes you took. You did a less expensive sport because you weren't worth spending money on getting up at five. Am for morning practice. Why would you do that? Didn't even wake up at nine for you. You drove her away. You drove a wedge between her father you as a child should have known to be better so that your parents didn't get divorced. They feel so much less. Mean coming from you guys is agreement. I like strategy. Keep insulting her. I don't lower the yeah. The labor action is down again. No I would. I would always do this at high school. You just started just really mean to people. Everyone is afraid to be mean to you competitive so many go to Harvard. What my brother taught me. It's really nice to use it on someone else. I mean all the time then everyone will be afraid to talk to You. And then they can't hurt you guys understand. My brother is a genus renovated. Your Room what is it now. It's just a Cherokee room for me. It's not even like an exercise room and there were lots of other rooms in your house. You could have renovated. I just have my morning tea in there. Would you do with my ps three? I chucked it all right. You've gotten her plenty of Maj. He's going to attack one of you now. I think she's going to go for Norwalk because Oh no he was chuck and rock sadder. And that's that's Shitty it was nice though noble guerrilla. Norwalk does a real cool barrel roll. Dodge is on the I. What are you learn that Nyack? Yes obviously he's not quite as graceful as me off a little bit more natural. How did you track jam? Into this game it follows me. I'm cursed on God. Did you anger. She does the end of this podcast. We'RE GONNA end up fighting jam. Nyack DROWNS IN JAM total party kill via jam by my lungs are falling on jam. Hit my existed. She's just going to swipe at Norwalk. She did hit on her second attack. Now Norwalk is backed down. Oh No I'll let you you can try and stabilize him. He's not like totally grade. Okay he gets death saves. He's a very important character. We'll never know our best friend. Make it out of this. If I make it out of this I'm going to train really hard to a level. Six at least hey. That's what we Jones just goes. Oh No not Norwalk. Anyone but one girl keychain stern teaching takes Norwalks death really hard for some reason no another potential. Roommate yes inspired. He's not moving in with us. Another one to help with chores. We should tell them that. The rent is free. Keychain gets three attacks Nice three chain. That's a natural twenty. That's roommate ever ever eight damage on the first hit. Big Crickets keychain goes in with that crit just leaves the javelin there and readies to more from their big mouth. Nice just misses but that one just misses to and that's keychains. Turn they look back and say hi. I'm sorry I could not help more. And then they bow their heads great. You did amazing job. He's an amazing job. Not like your daughter. Sorry daughter I don't think I ever saw great loop. Why do you sound so friends is so they speaking hell? I went to hell in a bad person. I believe it I will say this dragon is starting to look a little hurt. There's a lot more red mist in the air than there was before great. She's still got plenty of spunk. Left inner but like you're whittling down. Got Less spunk. And that brings us to layer actions out of commission as long as You keep up. The disguise is unfortunately down it. Guess an organic a death saving come on Norwalk Thirteen. That's a save. That brings us to nyack. Okay oh I should say. I cast hunters mark not favored favorites. But you do have advantage. And there's no fog in the room you also have products. Don't forget sweet into twenty one on my first bow and I do like a cool barrel roll kind of Norwalk. Nice role you're dead. It's just like whatever guts stomach chatting. It is what it is nine damage. I love Norwalk. One handed cart wheel over his corpse. Was My guts buddy. I slipped in his guts. It's like damn I miss. I had how much how much did you miss by? Oh Shit where'd you get? I got a fourteen four higher. Arolla worth it. Yes it was. Hit me again. Hit My baby one more time. Five damage okay. Hurt my daughter. Why are you saying that? I know we had a bad relationship. It still seems weird. Enough character changed me and then I attack shout shoutout to the one more week. Your mother is I see where you get it. I'm sorry I'm so depressed. From senior and action could never find a dragon. Look at me. I've been Khaimah drag and you should worship. You might say that again. I think I know what she's trying to say. You cope with China. Own so gross. Ooh Look Sick. You make your mother. I don't know if even thinking about her ruined cobalt vagina be born either. Okay that makes everyone in this room. If we all agree that we're better off with you never being born. Why don't you start attacking yourself you know? I always thought I was pretty edgy. But you guys are Super Edgy. So you gave yourself to a dragon. I found this cool jewel and it gave me dragon powers okay. Can you call stuff on in Iraq? Can you just cut it out? I can try do do that are in love. You cut it out so the wisdom save if you cut it out if you WANNA look at her. I WanNa look at her and say if you cut it out that LASAGNA. I used to make that you love so much. The one with the fish lasagna officials on you with extra cheese on top a lot of white fish and cheese. Yeah I could. I could make that for the sight of Texas toast a side of Texas. I just like you like she. She rolled a six on her wisdom. Okay we want flesh grumbled. Oh grivas vape nation. There's much to be said for less serious deepest teen alone you Predator. Greig's you up into vape oil. You're you are peer pressure. Smoking animated started fighting the wrong enemy. Brothers let's say this team. Let's say it's turned into a Saturday afternoon special? I love it. Okay Jen's it's your turn. Okay okay how does she look and I make like some kind of chapter there like any way that we could because I do like ragging on her so bad that even even Jen's rotten heart is starting to feel a little. I'm hoping to get her to death store that I can ask her mother teller. I'm proud of her and stuff. Give me an insight okay. Twelve twelve You don't get any sense of how hurt she is yet. But you do see kind of like the more red mist. It's pouring off. You're also seeing kind of like patches in the midst and you catch a glimpse of two crews face and she looks like she's in way over our okay. She kind of looks like she needs help. Needs to be rescued. Okay I am going to. I was just stabbing her in the back. With the time. Daggers climbed up on her. I'm going to do. Pull the daggers out. And then I am going to climb down and I'm going to grab her face and I'm GONNA. I'm GonNa say you stupid team okay. I know what it's like to grow up without your parents. You just need to not be easiest just figure it out and then. I cast dispel magic on her third level. You had third level another. I know I still have a mother put it. Was You have family brother if anything you turned your back on your family either way. I'm glad you can't dispel spell match. We have to talk about this. I'm going to make a wisdom. Save at a DC twenty. Okay if you clear that more fog will clear which will be the equivalent of her losing. Hp Okay you're basically damaging D DRAGON. But not her got it. Okay okay so I get a plus seven to this role rate command. Gosh Dang it fucking twenty-five okay. What's your normal damage role? It's usually at six. Okay yeah you know what role sixes sweets and then you want me to. Just add like my attack. Yeah okay. That's a ten total great. You are in close onto crews head. You're speaking to the heart of this dragon monster now and you kind of start to see like strands of the Silky mist. Like falling off almost like hair and it seems to be weakening a little bit and you see the grasp that grumble Oh has on to crew is like the loosening nice so to crew. Listen I lost my father when I was a boy of forty five. I know what it's like old. I know what it's like. You're so bad at tr- INSTAGRAM JEN's teenagers don't like old people just maybe lie and say I'm GonNa live to be hundreds of years old God. Who WOULD WANT TO BE THAT GENERATION? Z. Cam trying to save her life. You Stupid Team. You look cool. I know a kid that likes skateboards all the time and never wear shirts and you look like you get. Does he have this many awesome tattoos? I turn around while looking at one. It's a little butterfly and this a big butterfly over here. This one's a medium sized butterfly butterflies. Yes many butterflies caterpillars on my feet cooed on my app see so as it travels up your body turns into butterfly. Used in the place where your head is shaved by your molly's you have a dead butterfly that idea back to the earth. Okay it's to cruise turn again. They're going to try and resist. G- rumbelow do it and I think if they succeed they just WANNA attack the stern great cool service. That is a pure seven to. They're not enough so they are going to attack in her mouth. You are right up in the mouth. I think that's be all right but she's just going to do a bite on you. Okay seeing as you are in the mouth. Nineteen Hits Okay thousand. Dax her bite so it's not as bad. Well it's still pretty bad it's Fifteen damage okay. I'm very hurt all right. So that's her first attack out be stronger. Eighteen sixteen hits who I've got I've got you got a hill in year. Great Seventeen down all right. Okay you see as you fall. The dragons face is half removed you can see an enormous cloud dragon and then you can see her face behind it kind of like venom. Oh quietly say so free and it's pretty tight and And she kind of gets this. Look of apology on her face. But then like the clouds back over her head and she sat you tosses you to the ground. And that's keychains. Turn Keychain Keychain succeed. My last words are. I should have never been. Keychain is also going to try to make a passionate speech he listen. You don't have the same inflection. Here is the thing. Okay you have so. Many surcharges love and respect. You have an entire crew and I also have a new crew who I have found and who I love and there is nothing more important than that. You must find the family where you can and remember the best parts of those. You have left behind. Who is teaching talking back? Did you just play a youtube video? Really Great Speech Fart loudly time. Just a lot of air escape forced out to keychains. Charisma's mind as one one fogging motivational speaking to nuts. He's all right. This is going to be more. Psychic Damage Keychain is criminal than any of you. Fools keychain does six damage. They're out of healing earth. Day thinks that's going to bring us back around layer actions are totally off the map at this point. Norwalk is dead. He's gotTa do a save. Oh no that's an eight for Norwalk. One death just wish Newark new. If we weren't eating it so hard maybe we would care beyond I'm going to the golden treetops guerrillas. Go when they die. I'm GonNa Swing Forever with my dad family it's cool. I can't wait to see you there brother. I wish to get ahead one more beer with my dad at the bar but whatever God damn I'm GonNa save you now it's cool. You probably would have met him if you ever went to the jungle but probably not anymore. I don't know all right. Oh nine extra turn O K. Can I tell which is the dragon which is to crew? If you do an insight check okay I will do. And also at this point like you know when you pour some dry ice into something and it all starts at pouring over the sides. That's kind of what the Dragon looks like. Now it's like sloughing off all over the place cool so you're catching glimpses of it. Try so like that's the nineteenth nineteen you absolutely can locate to crew with dragon sweet. So I'm going to fire not at to crew. They'll let her know that you can have a full life even after losing a parent you can. You can still make a family I. I'm a child of widow and we have a happy healthy family. I love my dead brother. My brother loves me. I fired twenty three to hit the Dragon. Oh Nice that is eleven total then my second attack garbage. I MISS YOU MISS UNFORTUNATE. You MISSED YOU HIT TO CRUISE HEART. I just. I didn't think I'd miss her as much as I did. I basically said I wish you were dead and stormed out a couple years back and now I wish I could take that back. You only get one wish and your wish came true. That was your fault but now is it my turn okay. Took her expand your mother. I just want to say I know I was really hard on you. But it's because I was trying to save you from this very exact situation so when I see here you are. You've been consumed by precisely what I was trying to lead you away from. I realized that I failed you as much as you feel like you failed me. I just wanted to make you proud. That's why I found this Dragonstar if I could control it. Then maybe you wouldn't need to keep looking for a dragon to worship. Then we could you know you could worship me and I could worship view and we could be a family again understand that. I don't like you're actions but still love who you are. You are not your actions. You've just been led astray and I say follow your mother's lead and then I go over and I place my hands onto Jen's Lynn Dell and I do healing hands which is an azure thing for six because that's my warlock level is still very cool. I thought I was GonNa die while wearing a monocle. Awesome monocle brother Asa Jeans. It's your turn your turn. Yeah Okay strike you. I will also just as a bonus. Action do heck's played cursing case to fight her again. Okay do I see which is the Dragon? Which is her at this point. It's clear great. I'm just going to go all out. Short swords fuck them. Time Daggers. And I'm just GONNA take three tax. Do it up. I attack seventeen to hit. Just misses. Twenty two hits hits nine damage. Jin's finisher nice. Oh boy she's breathing heavy that she's in a prison of smoke kind of trying to get out at this point thrashing. This dragon constraints are a Sinai and I go you stupid. Stupid team That I grabbed her by the collar and a yank her out and then I stabbed the Dragon. Get Out of here. You actual bad person school no for travelers. Has It been proven. Vaping is just as bad for you son of a bitch because it's bad for your reputation will I don't know I think it's kind of fun. For what is pretty cool. Which receive. What you carcinogen. So maybe share the wealth a little. Yeah I guess I can be seduced by bad things. We'll call. Yes you pull out as you do. Dragon like tries to reach his tendrils to contain her but it fails and all of the smoke. Sucks back into this curse jewel and you're out of combat and two crew is kind of laying dazed on the ground. I guess we're going to do chest compressions. I go straight to mouth-to-mouth unnecessary. I'm not sure how to go back and forth like you do one mouth when you come up for air then I go into. This is wild. This is exactly what I was dreaming about in the Golden Treetops. Dead up one more beer buddy get over here all three. You come you all right. We can be roommates if you want you. Just say thank you. You know. I've never been in the law and I've always wanted to go. Maybe if I could stay over asleep on the couch going to tonight's nobody sleeps on your couch. Catches take and in fact every object of and even the bath. Yes this room on the roof. All of sleeping on the roof so far unclaimed you can sleep on the roof. I respect you. I respect you too. You GODDAMN MANIACS. Slaps a big hand on your shoulder says like eight. Thanks for keeping these knuckleheads in check. They seem like they'd be lost without you bud. Gen Stats should we? Should we help this as well? She we help that super hurt team. I think I'm going to shift out of being her mother and pretend that I never did call. Yeah it's you just got here. Oh say she was having this delusional freakout where she thought you saw her mom to Karoo that maybe during the fight during the battle once you are getting very hurt maybe some things that did not actually happen but perhaps they help you come to term in so they are still valuable pets or pants. I am still wearing my mom at the exact same pantsuit. I well we did yes. We held her. Kill your mother. But she was trying to kill us. My mom was kind of a jerk but yeah I guess you know. I took this job and it was a bad job. Took a job or I'll just trying to get by in this world. You've seen it outside. It's bad out there. I thought you know I could be tough and lead these czar charges on my own but high and I maybe I should just call my dad and go home that simply should to grow because I also may be let something Seduce me after my mother died. And you know it's still kind of playing itself out but some days. It feels like it was the wrong choice. I'M NOT GONNA lie and say. His jaw killed my mom. That fucking sucks. That sucks so bad but yeah I just wish I wanted to gotten to see her one last time but I think that knowing that she's dead. Maybe I should try harder to reconnect with Richard. Now I I think that maybe I was taking out anger on him when I was mid to directed at my mom. So y'all still suck a lot because you beat me up robot and killed my mom but like to. We don't like you just didn't WANNA kill year. I don't give a shit about your just overall tight in want you to totally die. But you didn't like you deserve. I'm glad you got her. Just remember if you want to try to come and take vengeance. Just remember how this thing we can leave it at that. Yeah like no-man's-land like you go your way go mine. It's just cut off cut toxic people out of your life absolutely to you. Talks about respect for Spence. I respect to you but I hate you and if you want to keep up with US follow gentlemen. Del Comedy. No no I ask my boyfriend bill. Jensen dating Johnson comedy. Yeah I hate guy he. Rules are so funny because I punch the wall. I helped write the skits. You don't like don't call them. Skits and soap roommate girls and boys are different normal lowest common. Where it's like boyfriend and girlfriend and then there's like this really hot dot nyack. Anyone was won't let me be in them because I'm filming them. You are too good for that guy. Anyway I don't know I'M GONNA get out of your hairs or anything you want away. Nineteen Ninety Oldest O. I'd try to kill her. I was GONNA ask her birthday so I can find out what she's twenty one because I feel like we can kill her when she's twenty one. Sure when's your birthday? It's June Seventeenth Gas June seventeenth next June seventeenth. Straight up rematch. Kill you can kill you. I'm GonNa fucking own you loved. That's so hard core. That's edgy as hell. You're smart as brother. Bring Bring Your stupid boy. We'll see who the jump canceling DEL official. Fuck I say we don't bring. Jam is not a fair fight. If you if you bring. Jam spits things like babies amazingly peanut butter so thick. Anyway see you when you're twenty one life so okay before we go and kill each other before would part ways. We have two years in the meantime your truth. Who hired you to try to kill us? Oh Yeah I some Guy. He worked for an organization called. The plastered was drunk. He was some guy he works for. An organization called the dread horizon during a bell. Shia this mask like had three is on it. That monster killed my father Adele. Yes breast right like. There's a lot of engines going around here. Yes well it's the thing. You better not die taking him on because we gotTA Dayton two years. Okay see that way you you have a date. We're going to kill her. They know she said like Eddie. My sixty hours forty five rose. She's saying she said. I thought it was weird into that. I look up to you I it me okay. This is not a second not takes. No no part is me dime. It's not as do young. This is not what I wanted okay. The longer I'm here the more I realize how much y'all sucks I'm just GONNA go. Yes absolutely by fuckers by Kim comes back okay I came to terms with. I think if you like who also she said. I thought it was like one of those things where you say something. Flirt like cat woman in Batman and I was like other agencies and I was like no. That's not okay. That's why I did it responsibility. You're putting icing signals. Did Not put the out though. She said it's about it. I didn't know how to respond so I didn't respond. And then you guys jumped in and you said that I had a date which is how I was reading it and I thought it was weird. Oh Hey I just left my cell phone. You're still arguing. I'm just don't ignore me. I'm just getting that Warner yes. Go Out of your fucking yourself stand in between two years motherfuckers. Yes watch ron backs cool. I'm in my sixties. All right so she flaps off into the into the Iraqi in day. I guess that's the best that that could have gone. Congratulations on not killing a teen Slough. We are back. So is there like a stone here that she was cursed by the cursed jewel. She definitely left that Chris Joel on the ground and they wanted no part of it. You want let's pick it up like we don't like a little meat. Meat Hooks. Sure A SATCHEL. Full of gloves gloves good. Yes put it in the glove so you do that. You get a little from your coins in. Its blaby just checking in seemed pretty dicey. Are you all doing okay? Yes we're doing. Great Response. You narrow respond. We can just tell them what. Okay okay I just reiterating. I forgot to take the four crystal off you so I'd be kind of hot water. Donated new coin is good for all right anyway attacked by a dragon. Somebody was hired to kill us so who who is hired to kill you at dread horizon. Yeah if you want to send one of your teams Red Horizon Hired to kill our. We try to keep our distance from them. They're pretty nefarious folks. Yeah we'll cool. Will you put us right in line? Distance not kept. Yeah so that's a failure that's failed role. Laven names signed in triplicate. On this contract saying that your life is forfeit and you'll do anything for a little gold just even a little bit. It says that in the writing. Oh good so does it say that in all of your great triplet said so maybe if you could just get that crystal then. We can talk about this later. And maybe maybe I can convince the benefactor to bump up your salary a bit that. That's yeah that sounds great. Honestly all we care about is money we list love money absolutely any money keep grind as it were is is is normal there. Yes he's he's actually fine. Oh good yes good. Great Work Hang in there. Bud GAS GO RETRIEVAL TEAM. Twenty one her dead. Oh Yeah. I'm still filling out the paperwork for that one anyway. Why don't you all get back to the mission and we can have a big debriefing. When you return. Can't wait. Money may money I I use my may to hold all the speaking stones away from us. Okay say I was just pretending to care so much about money. We know we know. Okay Rent rent-free what do I agree money too much? Eleven hangs up his calling coin. And it's like really well. In the meantime though again the coins are away would we might want to reach out to. Mercurio to find out if he has an idea of how we can save our lives from this contract that we side so oh yeah just to clarify. That wasn't like a contract saying that you would die if you broke the contract okay. It's just like you are going to have to risk your life to get these crystals that's what you said you would do. It's it's basically a liability sort of thing. Okay freeing them from okay great to investigate this area and see if you can find that crystal. Yeah let's walk around and see if we so. Do we think that the crystals like in this room or are there more caverns Basically you can easily observe this As I mentioned before there's a big mountain with four kind of smaller mountains placed all around it. Okay but three of those have been destroyed so you are basically in the entrance hall of the mountain and then there's like one bigger mountain kind of separated from you. Do you have any kind of like tracking that you could sense the crystal or something like that so on a basic perception? Without even rolling. You see a big ornate door okay. On the other side of the cavern. There's basically like the entrance. And then this big kind of entryway. Ah Chandeliers Chandelier kind of indicates that maybe this was inhabited or furnished at one point. But it's been of ransacked door with three vertically arranged faces on it. Are that faces. Do you WANNA walk up to the door and find out okay so you stick my finger up every nostra great you do that and scarabs come out. Oh let's see how many scarabs no nine scarabs. But they scare away. Akilah Vecchio only to fuck us out of nine the other ones were civilized scripts so you approach the door and you notice that it doesn't have any locks or handles all you see are three stone faces arranged vertically down the center on top is no lar- tinkerer of timing tides in the Middle Is Leon Brigadier of battles in blaze and at the bottom. Isn't the DOS sage of skies and starlight? All three of their mouths are open wide. Take a butterfinger. Bbn put it in every single mouth. The mouth I've never been so jealous all slide up except the offering is turned red. Slide back down and spit them out. Okay so we have to give something to the more butterfinger. Vb's recording more scraping the bottom of the barrel of my stock. This is terrible this silo of Butterfinger. Bbc I've been carrying around I. The Dragon had kill the. Who is the God of time again? Okay I would like to press my dagger up to Lars Mouth Time dagger you press the dagger into large mouth. It chomps down chumps off the blade. Oh no but then underneath. The lars cog shaped spectacles. His eyes begin to glow with an aquamarine light. Ooh Okay well. We hope that was worth it. I would like to. I would like to rummage. Oh no no no. I would like to take my moon wine and pouring into the mouth of Nevada's is that the one who's the skies and starlight Okay yeah yeah you pour the wine into Nida's mouth it closes up The is come alive and glow in tranquil violet. Tone schist about one Leon Brigadier of battles and Blaise Blaise. A fire mean we could just stick it torch in their yellow adventurers. Yeah nyack would you like to do the honors? We all figured out real did and I figured this out and I sit down on the ground with my legs crossed and I try to spark her fire for fifteen minutes. A short rest. Can I take the moment to look at? Keith's instagram. Oh absolutely yeah do it up. He's up to. I think that it's been a little time. Obviously since your adventure in the club I think at point keats probably like Keith. I think probably keeps pretty active. He's probably going on a hike with the boys. Still the boys still the voice. Okay check to see like went with some like hot gnomes. Shit K J just roll. D Twenty. Be Really Twenty. I got a six a mean six. There's a girl in the picture and you can't tell if it's a sister or not tagged on Tags Zoom Zoom. It look double tap to zoom. Liked Keith with new girl doing this to me. Nyala sorry I I am follow him. I am following okay. You've done for you and follow Keith. No I couldn't care up on Mike. I hope he does not see again. This is a phone free weekend dealer. Greg I roll stealth unlike at fast enough. I got twenty. Oh Hell Yeah. He doesn't notice at all because he's with his girlfriend film. Any legs from hot GNOMES. No you don't know. Maybe that girls in his Improv Roope. Who knows true? I got the fire. Okay other it's lit very good you whether you did a basic thing. Put it in the things mouth. You're holding in your hands and it's pretty what I put it in. Its mouth I could have lifted for you. Why didn't you say that with four being fair to see if you can do a big toot all right as the final pair of is a lights your ancient gears grinding and straining suddenly one by one the carvings right is all turn gold then? The door opens slowly inward. Do you do you want to walk into the main chamber as doc vision so I would like to see as far as I can do like a little perception going wrong perception. Do you think we should be still thing. That's what I'm finding. I got a seventeen with the seventeen. You can tell that there's nobody in your it's abandoned. Okay so you walk into the Chamber. Okay so as you walk in you see the walls bear beautiful carvings telling tales of the Gods in their mighty exploits in the center of the floor. Ucla scraps of metal and bits of glass scattered around a large hole. You suspect was once Alava well in each corner of the room yearly well preserved statues of Trinidad Alien Heroes Stand Guard next to three huge archways each of which seems to have caved in above. You is an incredibly high arch. Dome Ceiling Light Pours in through the hole in the roof that once served as this volcanic craters main vents and through this bent light shines in Pale angled shaft onto a large solitary statue standing near the level. Okay if this is some kind of like the light needs to be at a certain part for it to open. I think I'm just going to use my light. Can't trip and try and like shine on the statues from different angles. Okay that sounds like a fun dance. And I'm dancing while I fucks yes. Please don't dance. Took this Transi. So you're flashing a light almost statue. Yeah Okay as you do that. A sparkle reflects on the statue. This ticket the sparkle. So you get closer and you see that this is actually a statue of the blazing empress herself leeann conqueror. Lush curls of carved hair splash under a set of meticulously rendered armor and an angry but determined scowl rest upon our face and our left hand. She clutches impossibly Wide Broad Sword in her right glowing with an unsettling black. Ara Is the fifth and final giner. At Christie's she'd we Indian Jones Crystal size rock ready to swap back. Yes I just WANNA butterfinger be here. Troop us together. I hate to waste it. Let's take a bunch of butterfinger big giant be. And then I think what if we what if we ought going to have to work with Mercurio just so I can get more butterfinger. Bbs probably couldn't eat another one for a few days Lynch. You people are so weird when we tight rope around Nayak's ankle and shit really goes bad. We'll pull him away. A seems like such an extreme plan. But I'm really already for my brother talking to Stanton fifty feet away and hanging onto the road I will stand with. Jen's feels familiar. Okay I just giveth films. And you've got the Amalgamated Butterfinger BBC. I you have the six dinner at Crystal Beginner. Chocolate come millimeters from just eating. The butterfinger baby but I don't. It must like the worst tumbler on so and she buttery. So you're gonNA try and plus the crystal place it yes okay. As you remove the crystal the stone facade covering Leon retracts like a snapped rubberband leaving only one Gargantuan stone arm which clinches firmly the rest of the aunt now once again comprised of divine flesh and blood begins to scream coach. You layout looks around. Her Crimson is taking in the room her expression shifts quickly from confusion to anger and then she looks at you who are what are you doing here. Came here to save you to save me. Part of nervous more of their playthings. Well we don't know who were working for to be completely honest. We're in a little bit over our heads where is no dos whereas Millar through with it where are they? What do you think they went through with? Answer me go to my and the better figure. She slaps the butterfinger out of your hands. No how dare you one. Calm down on food. I don't have to answer your questions. I am the God of War. You will answer me. You're a statute thirty seconds ago. What that doesn't make any sense. We freed you from the stone or stuck here. Suddenly as you're talking to her in trying to make sense blab and pipes up on the coin. I'm getting a massive spike. I don't know what's going on there but you should probably go right now. Touch the crystal to the coin. I'M NOT JOKING. I think we do as you are listening to her. She's like talking to. Who is that? I I know you're working. With the dusk. She lifts her sword talk enrolling grabbed the butterfinger. Bbn Crystal Maybe Casey. You're all touching the crystal. You're going to touch the crystal to the coin. Yes is Norac with you. Yes we Norwalk. My friend gets the hell over here. That lady you can take your Norwalk. Let's leave. I don't know why you need to do to convince you of that. He grabs onto your shoulder. You touch the crystal to the coin and you're covered in blinding light. The last thing you see is her slashing down but you blinked out of existence at the last second as your senses return and the colors of the world bleed back into view. You look around and realize that you're standing at the edge of the long boardwalk leading to the benefactors worth side manner high above and the lighthouse spire crowns the mansion. Ucf Huge Emerald flame flickering in the wind. But you can't tell if it's there to welcome or worn blabbing who is also standing next to you clears his throat. Well it's been quite a ride but you finally did it. Gang all five crystals were who what are you doing little turtle and I just grabbed him by the collar. Can I really take out that coin we have to call Mercurio and I want like secretly texts them like an SOS? Okay all right so you do that. Blevins like we're talking about is you're deal. Why are you sending us to on missions where there are gods that were stealing crystals from? What does the benefactor wants with these crystals and that's where we'll intercession own who I was worried which should have their written yet. Oh Yeah I'll just hang. You did that on purpose. Well I had one more line left for the short rest poboy. Y'All this is fun. I'm sorry I almost killed you with the Dragon. Oh boy that was part of the fun pushed to our limits. There you go healing hands. This is like when your uncle helps you get ready for the big game. When you're just like punches you real hard can fight one day. Tap Me when I was fifteen. Maybe today this is. Don't go giving you a quick tap strengthen you up for whatever lies ahead in the benefactors mansion thank you all for being my beautiful little nephews and nieces of course Thank you to Daniel Ramos for doing the sound mixing and thank you to enroll exander for giving me a DVD beyond subscription. You are making this world possible and thank you to all of you for listening. Thanks this has been your duct caldwell and you can each get an extra scoop of ice cream. Oh way better than our parents say each hit everybody up shit every month. Don't tell your parents. I cuss mom's brother Avenue It is time to thank our Benevolent Council of Elders. Thank you to Brad. D The only pebble pot. That isn't craven. They veer one thing. Though seeing their cowardly family Thanksgiving J. Lomas seventy-two Aka steel breaker gyms ration- started a high intensity workout last year and has literally not rested yet. Dylan be a sword wielding wizard surrounded by UPLOADING. Army of blades at all times. 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MTV Reality RHAPup | The War of the Worlds Episode 15 Recap Podcast

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MTV Reality RHAPup | The War of the Worlds Episode 15 Recap Podcast

"At farmers insurance. We know every windshield collision has unique sound beetle Burt boop drone seen it covered. Click for more we are ours. Underwritten by farmer's truck fire insurance exchanges in affiliates products, not available in every state at farmers insurance. We know the sound of a perfect hot air balloon landing and a less than perfect one. Click for more. We are partners. Of them underwritten by farmer's truck fire insurance exchanges and affiliates. Products not available in every state. And. Oh, walk to the challenge of the world's rap podcast from fifteen. I am Brian on here. Joining me back once again is our ally. How are you? Bitch is back my friend, Terry used to always say that when she returned from anywhere. So I'll bar that bitches back. I'm thrilled to be back and I have to admit. Chilous three episodes. I wasn't chew too excited. What my God, this finale Samat smell little smashed by wigs snatched. It smashed it through it in the trash. I'm so excited to back on this episode. I'm thrilled. I'm excited. Great, great to have you back. You know, took the three weeks off and they came smashing right in the face with the hardest final that there's ever been done. And we only got half of it. So who I wonder how many of us are gonna die along the way because they already died, we got to, to our AP's or so we'll say, I wanna thank first you, Brian, and then also the three amazing subs, Haley will and Jonathan reverse order, not avoid of my thanks in order their appearances. Really, really really appreciate it. And I also wanna thank the hundreds normally joke about how listeners we have, but truly hundreds of people who reached out who congratulate man Twitter, who supported me during a. Yeah. I tend to go to Twitter during my darkest days of finals and once on tweeting too much you're like maybe she's struggling. So I really appreciate it. All the kind words of support was really heartwarming really amazing and made me really excited to be able to get back to sitting behind the microphone rather than behind the books. So I'm done with that, that army coming in strong with support they do what they do a lot of things, whether it's a. Some of their points on Twitter to get people to come on a podcast are offering support. So this is what we get both useful. A couple of things I want to talk about before we get to new business a few points of old business, and I know it's old and everyone's over it, and you and the three subs did a fantastic job of covering all of this. But a couple of things I wanted to talk about. I actually was more into the taping challenge than you Jonathan were and fair enough. I think the complaints are reasonable that, like it shouldn't depend, your fate, shouldn't depend on another person. And it's also probably reasonable that you guys speculated that this was originally designed when they were partners, but I kind of liked how wonky that was like how it's like okay trust. Somebody in, in the crowd. And then in theory, you also had a hand in it in terms of how you could wrestle out. But west just such a piss poor job that. That it didn't matter what did. But the reason I bring it up is I was I should have written in a question, although I hadn't watched the episode until this week. So that would have been really hard to right into question. Was there any surprise Georgia pick turbo? Like, yes, he has taped people up before Georgia speculated. But, you know, the relationships were so interesting to watch because Noni and turbo pairs, and you would think that turbo would be so loyal to Noni that he wouldn't just like execute like a psycho against her, right? Yeah. Yeah. I was surprised. I I'm trying to remember exactly. I think she just had a sense of turbos, just his his what he would do, like he knew she knew that a situation, turbo would put pass whatever partner, he may have ad and just wants to way and they just that type of person wants to win no matter what he's doing who he's doing a four. And it does to me indicates that like a yes, turbo veterans be like wall hunters thinks he played Georgia lake fiddle to pretend to make up with her like he's she's still not trusting him in the game. So that was interesting. I also thought it was strange that in the elimination between Kyle and THEO, which was awesome that Georgia's rooting for Kyle over the UK lines. And it was just watching a lot of these relationships without having to take notes for the podcast. It's like, once you like, let go of having to like outline the main things you can look at some of the smaller things, so. Part of me was like what happened to this UK thing and like wears Georgia with Kyle and, and, and then also Allie was rooting for Kyle meaning me, and I was floored that I was hurting for Kyle, which really just reading thrown around for Kyle revealed to me that I'm really just anti Kara, and that I'm fine with Kyle. Car ABC? Okay. And then the other thing I want to address is that ninjas really starting to annoy me. All right. Let's buckle up here we go. I mean you guys talked about the ninja turbo d fight. Somebody tweeted to me when I wasn't episodes, like please address what like a sexist person turbo is. I was like, and they were like, you know, Jonathan Brian didn't cover it. Like you're meant whatever. I don't know what happened. I don't know if you were tagging it or not. But I mean at Texas Jonathan like oh shit. Like, what am I about to watch it and have to deal with, like, I don't wanna talk bad about turbo. You'll me and then I Jonathan was like, I'm not really sure like the fight was like in this Jewish in, like turbo. I feel like didn't do anything like ninja absolutely tact her. But you address that fine. What would I'm starting to get annoyed with besides that is that she's starting to do a touch of the Sarah like over enthusiasm for every single element in the challenge like, oh, like even when the helicopter? That should be exciting and earnest, but I'm not I'm not excited. I would even say maybe ninjas worst moment, which I can't believe again, this can be like the second time in a row now and be on car side the way she was going at our for the fear of the deals and stuff. I thought that was the worst thing. She's because that's like. At your core. You can't like like that's your fear, like your fears, your fears. So the belittle that I thought that was even super festival on top of everything. She's not. I don't know. She's just starting. I'm getting a touch of the nerves with her, like I was okay with it, and then and it goes back to sort of, like when she was like mad about not connecting with poly because she's not my fav- amazing competitor, but socially, she's not my fav- over the last few weeks. We got anti ninja procotol what I want to turn turn of events for war of a war of the worlds here. Something more traditional is that I'm pro cake and Haley's cake coverage did me proud that is a question I submitted. I couldn't when she was guessing the flavors in advance. I was crying was hilarious more than I expected. But I have a deep, please love the we got the exclusive that you revealed the flavors you chose. Like again, I didn't imagine that, that would happen really, really appreciated that coverage outside of each of our parents, you're like the only one who's gonna going right now. So you that's what's exciting to about having someone as experiences Haley on the podcast, aka a few months prior to us starting podcasting. Is that she saves the nonsense for the end like a respectable podcast? Unlike me right now. We do the trade like this. This is back to like drunk adver, as where you like touch. You think at this arguing episode and then this cake, this is this is our roots. So it's like yeah. I I'm so afraid that I'm gonna forget that the psychosis like crazy stuff that I've to lead with it. And I you know, you're always learning. I'm listening to podcasts. Go, wow. Look at Haley flawlessly, weaves it in at the end when people can tune out. And I took nothing from that. And here I am I've a follow up. Here's what I really wanted to touch on again. It exceeded my expectations. Why in the photo was there like an extra smear of icing on each of the cakes? That was just like an extra like butter cream that all the decorations on a cake, you're going to be made out of. So it's like you could taste a little of it with okay? Pays the pays a little extra extra flavoring the decorations. We'll keep that a secret also a follow up question, what's a water helmet. Did you mean the helmet where you have like the two beers on the side? Yeah. Basically. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Waterboy home. I really wasn't sure if there's like some new because I don't run like there's some new. Clearly, not under that. Okay. And then my last thing, and this is kind of a serious thing. And this was no big deal. But just like a quick reaction that actually the woman on the bachelorette. I think it accident was said that she had sexual assault allegations against her. She had accused people involved in the show of sexual assault against her. I didn't realize we said the opposite. I thought thought she discuss the correctly, I guess, maybe just like pronouns or clear, Matt. I just was listening. It was like, I'm gonna flag it because I would wanna flagged if it were me totally. But now I told you my comments would be quick. Those three episodes are dead. It was dead. Let's talk about this episode. Yeah, we'll got the final I think this is, you know, we see a lot of all a lot of corrections in the world for somethings that may not have gone. Right. And pass Eason's. And this is a big auto. This big autocorrect for a final because we were gleaning about how it may be a little too easy last season. It was like super easy. They, they stepped it up. I years that we've been saying like the finals broken the finals broken. Here's McGuinness says to start us off the great McGuinness says what did I just watch? I assume she's talking about turbo eating the mountain of chicken to prepare. Which was brilliant was like I didn't know what he is like an game was. And then he was like I wanna prepare running on a full stomach. In case, I eat a lot of discussing my, wow, that's actually Bruin wasn't chicken. I wish Ailey truly was here subbing for me. I Dennis by one food item that was. You should have really gone all out on us like rancid chicken, or somebody, that's puking, while he's on the treadmill, also go, the full of old measure. But this was a doorbell, and this is sort of, like, why we love turbo like who thinks like this seems obvious? But it's not. And I'm just like oh, wow. He is just training and then just running on eating on in running on a treadmill simple as that. Very smart. Oh, I want to before we get another side. I want to get your thoughts on Hollywood is going, how hunter phrase that he's like the defending champ coming in. And she said that Sarah would also view herself as a champion. Here's where you wait on that. Do you think she would view herself as a champion that season? I mean. Hundred kind of forgot about Sarah, this week, he system like I'm the only one who's ever wanna find. What didn't win any money? Thanks, Sarah sort, again, a little forgotten in this regard. I want to once again, bring her back to the four, oh, hunter is forgetting about people. And acting like what happened to him with some grave injustice jot, shocking. Yeah. I mean that's interesting. I think I would say both of them were part of winning teams I think. The way that so I guess, I guess I would have to I'm trying to think if there was any distinction between the way either final was phrased like Ashley, I guess, Ashley bananas were the overall winners and Sarah and hunter report of the winning teams. So I think you can guess the question is, can you win a final without winning being the money winner. Basically, I think they both have counted as a win, but their prize because they there's two metrics people track like how much money you've won. And how many finals you've won against everything in me. I do think that hunter won the final with Ashley as part of a pair within Ashley was the challenge champ like the money winner. Because I'm always like is interesting how people view the context of winners. And so I feel like winter sometimes aren't even as important in the challenge world. So when unless the defending champ coming into the next season but is always fascinates. People view, the winner of the challenge other seasons and much how important it is. Sometimes more important, less important putting on the conversation. So hunter giving away when maybe win. It's interesting, it's interesting. I think he was a part of the winning team. And therefore he is not the defending champ like if they were team they would be the defending like Ashley on her own. I think is the defending champ and like car on her own when she won. But otherwise, it's like the team because who gives us shit if you want, like he did not win individually, which means he's very beatable. Individual challenge. Well, the other thing, too is like and correct me if I'm wrong. And I'm sure people will be mad about this hundred nationally knew that they'd have the opportunity to choose the money, whereas bananas and Sarah did not know that 'til the end. Tovia corrupt. So I don't that. Also adds a change. I still think I come down. I come down, but they want as a team, and then it was like up. Now let's decide where the money comes whereas it was like, okay, the winner of the team is going to decide how the money happens like a head of time. And I feel like that's a subtle distinction. But an important one. Yeah, it's interesting with the week of winter. So it's a interesting topic of conversation. I think here is doing an unbelievable. I mean aside from patting himself on the back and look, no one's on a big self congratulate or two. So I'm not gonna shade him for that. But I think what he's doing here. Like how what a flawless game. He's played up to this point. So I have two questions. One comment, one question the common is I think this is beautiful when he's talking about how like, oh, he didn't perform well on a challenge in, like every makes fun of you. And he's like getting in their heads. While also seeming vulnerable. I thought this was really effective of, like, you know, you really need to be worried. I fucked up to. It's great because we, he could come from like again, it's like his, his great sense of telling the truth. When it's clear on the truth, and also finagling it with a little bit of lies and this action, clearly they showed be worried about a final west knows about files, it's super tough. But then he's also doing it with his own interests in mind because he wants them to be defeated and worried and scared though, it's the classic west mix. And then you said sometime in the last three weeks was when she was just in the last few days for me listening, but that this is probably going to go down as his best season. So do you agree with him that he has played a flawless political social game this season? Yeah. I mean, I think I need to I don't think it's been perfect. There's some things he thinks he did well, that really didn't have much of an impact. But I also don't think he's done anything negatively. So I don't think he's done anything though hurt his game. I think some of the things he thinks he could super well we're like man. And I think he's done some things. Well, any examples I mean I wouldn't want to be put on the spot. So no sweat. But anything to mind, sickout, I there was one. I can't remember. Exactly. But I remember there was a the manipulation where he was, like, all right now, that I'm safe, and I'm in the tribunal that he can be double safe. And there are few votes where he was going to the UK that he thought he was doing it better than I think he thought he was I need to review the specific. She's going through the season. But I remember saying, like there was some things he was doing. That was very good. But also keeps giving them too much credit. Yeah. I'm pretty sure there was a week where he had the relic but then still was in the tribunal. Then I also like the d. Mattie thing comes to mind. I mean, I think the Noni thing was a major mistake, but it just they don't really have major consequences. Like, I think he was able, paulie got really mad at him was able to defuse that. So I don't think he was without mistake leg. I agree with you. But I think they didn't it didn't matter. He's in a great spot. I think he really achieved what he wanted to achieve, even if it wasn't totally flawless. And I've even biggest thing that going from this season is so many that it's going to help them going forward. You just collected a whole new crop of people that are very loyal friends with him that are going to stick with him in a future season, which is something he has done in the past, where he just tries to have one and done people. Now he has a core group of actual friends that he can build on and use in a future. Who's let's start, let's explore that who are who's obviously, obviously hunter hunter. They're they're definitely with him. And I think then connected with each other. Those people are people that will at least in the beginning and part of the game will be with him hunters friends, and like the ninja, like I think will be with him. So it might up people that will be loyal one hundred percent at the end game. But at least the beginning in the middle, which is sometimes the most dangerous bar. He'll have a surrounding group that aren't gonna be coming after him did forge relationships of high oil. I mean Noni left pissed at him. But I think at the end of the day, she shows she trust him. But on the flip side. I mean he's got mortal enemies and devan in Georgia and bear. Yeah. I mean, the, the Barron, Georgia's that would be curious where Georgia maybe slides back towards west at the asshole, Barra's. Maybe kind of right, all along, no chance. We'll see. I think the bears like yes, she's not to be loyal to bear, but I do think that what happened between her and Dave on. She like she made the deal with west after bear left, like to me that wasn't so much about their as it was Dave like Georgia wanting to play game or she's like oh yeah. I don't like making deals with slimy characters. I want to be up front. Oh, it'd be honest. I wanna win out. And like taking that sort of Dan, Manta men mentality that like making a deal with him as me deal with the devil. I think that's sort of independent of bear, although, yeah, never say, never anyone could work with anyone but I don't think it was solely like revenge for bear. Right. Yeah. It was. Not go back, but it was to see Georgia calling for Barron that moment that was very said. But that's a we're going to talk about that, that was going forward. She's like I'm so embarrassed. My Colonel embarrass. You have so much heart. She's amazing. And just like I just want bears own. Now, you could be embarrassed. Of west was calling show with the oh, saying he's going to finish fourth or fifth very specific with eight people is pretty specific worth, I think's going to finish. So on the. Chekhov's garden finish. Or what's again, west is trying to say no. I think that was just like what you said, where it's like a mix of lying manipulation and truth. Like, yes. Fear final, and lent gonna do well, you're gonna do like fourth and fifth just off the fifth or six just off the money. Like I think that was just him like grandstanding. Mattie reveals very intimate detail the cheeky say picture of her mom and sister in her bra. Support more ways than one I think that's what lock it's four. But you do you Manny. That's like that's an old school thing seemingly lock in the black, it's. It. Oh, I just lost a lock it, actually. Almost personnels. Maybe Matty has it found her way, the universe right at its wrongs. I'd like to see how like gross and runny that pictures after this fine like I can thinking that and it's like I thinking about during the final is like if you're keeping paper with ink in your chest in, like the thousand degree desert like that. That paper is now permanently affixed to your chest. Yes. How do you got a new tattoo? Oh boy. Rip off after you take all everything else that stock deal. Helicopter Rives ninjas, or low dance and incomes, the Choky on wheels. The pain locker, I know we haven't seen we've only seen fifty percent but I thought this pain, locker was going to be them like shackled to the walls like this kind of looked like a little retreat not a pain locker. Yeah. I'm so far, there was no real pain in there anything they use that for hydration. So it was like a recovery locker. So, so for the pain locker hasn't really lived up to its name. And to give Carson credit here. She gives a little pep talk in the pain locker like you know, you only have this experience once with these people like I like this. I thought that was a cute moment from Kara like the experienced vet like giving a pep talk like a little community before they out. I enjoyed that my thought was sweet. I'm sure like we can judge all these people for doing this final. We'll never cloudy know what it's like to actually do it so good on it for them. How this forever with all the cramps in misery that they are about to go from this sweetest moment of the episode to the probably most holy shit moment of the episode. TJ explains the challenge the vinyl breath path. That's about when he said fifty miles I thought he like misspoke? And it was one of those weird like get the get the overlap I thought he meant five miles fifteen miles, fifty miles is a preposterous amount to do basically anything, especially if you're just running, and biking. Well, so I still am a little confused. So like my understanding, I need some clarification. The the entire path is fifty miles. And this. In the way or the twenty four miles they did today count towards the fifty. Twenty four counts swords, and they're going to be doing some level of activity for fifty miles, and they did twenty four of them. That makes Merson. Yeah. No. It's ridiculous. It's like basically two marathons back back to back days. I'm sure they're not sleeping in any helpful accommodations. Not that, that would really make a difference. But yeah, that was crazy. I didn't think it was shoop Bor well explained. But I got it at the end like as I was taking notes, I started reorganizing, I think more information came later that was helpful in the beginning. But no, this once they say fifty miles I was like holy shit. But what I liked about the way it was broken up. And we got some comments, people are upset that it's like we'll add up your times, best time is the winner, I liked at least in this portion, it was one thing. So like, yes, they can do shredded, they can decide do checkpoint which checkpoint, those take different times than do a lap or do to zero whatever. And we'll talk about all this choices I liked the once you finished that was first place. There was no adding up within the time. So I'd rather I don't mind if it's two times added together, fine, we can get a better idea, probably like knowing when to the finish. And then, like, watching him in the second day, I like it less when it's small chunk. So it's usually like okay in the first episode and the first part will have three times we're going to add up and then two times in the end and then buy, you can't keep track of that. I liked that. This was at least one continuous timed episode. Yeah, I totally agree. We'll see how the second park owes maybe over back to that. But at least for this it was good. And maybe the biggest upset all season was the fact that they actually gave us the times, which was stunning. Yeah, I'm afraid to, like say anything about it or it'll go away. It's like go like I don't. Yeah. I think they did a really really great job of keeping us posted of where people were in the standings. And then also giving us the time at the end because there is a certain point night. I took the not could. And then at certain point, it's like this is exciting in my opinion to watch. I am enjoying watching it, it is nearly impossible to track. So I think they gave us bits and pieces of where the standing was, and then they gave us the time at the end which to me offset the fact that it was really hard to track while I was watching. It was also a fun twist that it made it hard for everyone else involved, the track. There was no way to know. I mean, because you kind of piece it together, but it wasn't as clear like all right. Well, I'm in I clearly and second because there's a few different ways to go about doing this at it wasn't perfectly clear for the competitors. Cool was in first, and who was in second until they were basically done, and then they got a sense of where they all lined up throughout the middle. It was it was pretty muddle exciting because there's a strategic element of, like you, see THEO asking if she timed out, which would be the full twenty minutes, or if she completed it and she's like you'll find out she doesn't want to tell them. So I think that adds an interesting social part of the game of like, you know, Wes, trying to motivate hunter trying to say, let's run together or ninja, like stepping over Georgia's dead body and not stopping to help her. But, you know there are traces like what am I gonna stop to help other people with what am I going to press on what am I going to reveal where I'm at and the checkpoints like that was interesting to, and even the orders of what checkpoints you do? Because we saw that comeback bite for hunter that he had a weight Ricarda do it, because that was the last one you to do. So there a few multi-layer step that kind of help piece together, the strategic part of this final let though or is there a way to have gamed that 'cause I kind of feel like you know, hunter arrived fourth or fifth. I don't remember exactly to the checkpoint. So it's not like he had his pick of the litter with checkpoints and then it kind of seemed to me, it was just like do the ones you can do. I mean, maybe if that last checkpoint was open before his last run, he should have opted to do it to get done to ensure that it was available running will always be available. But aside from that, like, how could you really game that? The only the only way you could possibly do if you if you do the hardest ones. I right. If you're doing saving the easiest ones for the end than even if you are having a weight, and you might not wait before pointy minutes. Whereas if you're saving hardest one which it seemed like the color permit puzzle was the hardest thing anyone only anyone did it. So then you have to wait the full twenty minutes or however long you just got there for a car at a time out. And then you can do your thing in time out, then is hard to kind of figure out as you go, like true people are probably getting sensitive as they started playing, but what figure takes two or three of those checkpoints to figure it out. And then you'll have to left. It seemed like the move was to end on a run. That way you said you're not waiting for anything no matter what you can just run. So, yes. For anyone who let this wash over them or didn't watch, basically, it was six mile loop that you have to run than bike than run than by so four laps total in the process, you have five checkpoints that you'll time out at twenty minutes, and you can you everybody had to run a lap first. And then after you run a lab of the option running another lap or doing checkpoint. You can my understanding was that you could only do a checkpoint or run twice. It's not like you could run all four lap. I mean who would want to do this, but it's not like you could run all four laps and then do all five checkpoints that correct. I, I don't know if that was fully explained. I don't know of anyone ever did three in a row. But I don't see why you wouldn't be able to do that. I thought it was just laying was the option. But who whatever I mean no one would do that, that would be madness. Let's talk about all the checkpoints I because again, I think it's hard to track later like who picked what and whatever let's talk about rampage, which gave a lot of people trouble and not as much as the pyramid scheme. But this was pushing using large pole to push a ball up of pretty steep ramp, narrow ram through a hole at the end. Yeah. This this seem like the simplest this gave people were able to do this one. So that means it clearly gave people, these are the ones that almost no one was able to do. So this seem pretty simple. But was when you're mentally physically everything exhausted. Nothing simple. So I mean. I mean, I didn't have a problem with any of them and this one was vinyl. So, yeah, I mean, I think it's tough is like this one to me was deceptively simple, where it's like, okay the ring toss. June segment now on point where it was literally ring toss, you just had to get a ring on five posts where if I pose like it looks like okay, I can do this. I think because the ramp was so steep, and the poll so long it was more difficult. And some people did time out. I mean some people did complete it. But that was on point was probably the well the most random, but one of the easier ones the poll and seemed to give people some trouble, it seemed like the skull puzzle almost everyone was able to get it was like the upright, it was just an upright puzzle most people, most people got the tire. I remember always a few, but I'm getting through the goal of Slough, whatever it was. So I kind of enjoy it was a mix of mental sort of physical. My patience stuff. It was a good mix of any type of carnival type games that you would see a challenge final. It was kind of all encompassing rates. That was so rolled, and then the pyramid scheme, we talked about, which is these with colors, what made it complicated. I think is that the pieces were connected three at a time. So it's not like you could just put one in each it was it looked really hard, especially. In addition to how, how challenging the twenty four mile run was it seemed to be three thousand degrees. That seem to be running in the heat and not even just that. They're not even running on grass running deep sand, which makes it even doubly hard, and you're biking deep sand, like none of this was easy. None of it, and then going into just like the things they're talking about when they start. Yeah, I flipped out in hunters like the fact that he's doing the narrative of money was stolen for me like it is not theft, if it's within the rules like literally, he's acting like she went into piggy-bank and shook out all the quarters like it's not Seth if you wanted to get the money you could just win like it would be like second or third place being being asshole money was stolen for me. I came in second in the first place person stole money from me doesn't happen. I I, I was so happy when it looks like hunter has no chance of winning because like holy shit if a week from now. I'm talking about hunter frigate winning and talking about how he's redeemed I'm gonna shoot myself like that's not a promise not really gonna do. That, but I really can't stand him. No. That will be lots of after the whole nother season of I I've I went back. I write it a wrong karma of a I could we could not have that not. It is funny, how then THEO talks about, like, oh, like ice to spin instructor. Like I was actually expecting to you to totally flat out because of that, because like his MO seems to be like, on a chess grandmaster that he can't do the puzzle. He can't do the puck on the airplane like he sucks puzzles. So, like all right now, he's spinning structure, and his life tires are going to explode. And he's going to be like crawling on the sand terms out that didn't happen, he did pretty well. Yeah. I mean it was basically wire-to-wire like there, I think he was leading from the jump. And I don't remember time where he was ever really behind. Maybe a little as implant, but it was busy wire-to-wire win for THEO, which is incredible. I mean, I was kind of, I think the edit showed it to, like, made it seem like more of a runaway, there was one part where west in the lead because he says, I'm the one setting the pace but it was very short lived. It seemed like THEO had it the whole time, but then the only wins by ten minutes like the way that they I mean that's a long time. But the way that they made it seem I thought it was like way, more of a away, which is why, again the times are amazing to see the times. Yeah. No, I agree. I thought he would when they pledged his like five thirty four. I thought west time would be well over six hours, I was on how close it was between him. And then even between turbo he wasn't too far behind either. Yeah. I think my main thought watching this episode was that, like THEO is going to have a huge target on his back when he comes back one, I think he's locked in coming back between the romance with Cam stirring, the pot, a little bit his, his good showings in the tribunal, and now his like dominance, and this terrible terrible challenge like the terribly difficult challenge. I think he's a one to watch in the future. And if you know, bananas doesn't wanna wife him up, they'll be all targeting him. It was stunning especially for THEO, like he wasn't even that big of a part of the first half of the season. So he's really come on, from not just physical performance for being involved in just the show itself is even more as this is all the he's lock going forward, and I would not have thought that at all the first six seven eight episodes until funny, too. 'cause like. Turbo who I would've expected to feel like showing definitely struggling more early on. He's walking by hunters walking his bike turbo explains strategy is to sort of, like I can make up for it in the puzzle. Okay. That's great. What the hell is hunters strategy? It's like he's terrible at puzzles, and he's walking his bike in the John ges. Of all the time. Maybe like you know, maybe not threatened to quit when you just the comforts of your house when you lose a challenge like this would be a time to threaten to quit when you're dead last like losing your soul in a final. Speaking of quitting, Georgia. I mean what was crazy about this is like, we really do. I mean it was like reminiscent of like biggies like we see these people taking like the fatigue setting in Georgia's, seemingly almost immediately, like she really was working hard and her is just sort of glaze over, and she topples over. She can't get back up. She tries she literally just can't stand anymore and ends up getting pulled from from the game. Yeah, it was very scary. The way she fell over just like, you know, draw the talk outline right around the body. It was, it was terrifying kinda surprising that she laid there as long as she did. I guess was quickly goes to show. Happily that producers are always following these people in these files is that was scary. Dangerous. You know, she's like I can't see I can't get up. I can't walk like body, shutting down type stuff. So scared a couple of questions about this. Like first off my first impression of this was, like, wow. Like she really gave it everything she has. Until, like eulogize Georgia's rookie season. Like I definitely think Georgia, we'll be back. I think she gave one of the rare and great combinations of drama at the house and challenge performance. And what was awesome is for small woman, like smaller woman, how much people came to respect her at her ability. Like I think it's easy to write her off, and peeling paulie picture. Over ninja, like I think Georgia really demonstrated a lot of heart and a lot of ability, and I do think she's like a classic example of like the first time the rookie who does pretty well, but is like a normal person who will now like make the challenge their job and comeback like with stronger more endurance the ability to do something like this. I think it's just like her end Matty to like it just sort of taking like semi normal. I mean, they're still like reality TV people, but, like a semi normal non athlete, and dropping them into a competition for athletes, and we see people like Tori, and like early Kara these people who are like good, but can come back bee's like beast mode. I think Georgia's really going to train like she sat and come back stronger, and like really become a force. Totally because it's like one thing that go to the gym trained to look good. And to be able to som- stuff in short bursts and some of the stuff that the whole 'nother thing to train for this type of on. I don't know if they'll ever do this have a final, again, after we're seeing some of the reactions, but even just general finally, that is a whole different piece to train for, and the mentally prepare for, which is what was going in and it's like, once you do this, and go through it, you know what it is. And it helps you going forward and one hundred percent. So even though Georgia flamed out fairly quick in the final just this little experience will huge. Experience boost for her going forward. Here's a controversial question. Georgia quit. No. I don't think so. That's I mean, she basically died. Well, so that's what I want more information on the difference between what have ninja what happens Georgia because we have George it. Like again, fully convinced like Georgia needed to go, like she was to hydrated, she looked dead whatever. And then she sang that the doctor like I just wanna go home. I wanna get out of here, like I don't blame her. I'd say that miles before she said that, but then we have ninja. So I was like, I think once they take you to medical even if they could cure you with an issue because you're Daij rated you're done. They bring injured a medical, and she's sort of, like when can I come back when can I come back, and then they treat her, and she comes back now, maybe it's because like ninja does say, like, the, the medical gave me all clear like my body's fine, and maybe Georgia and get that, but worked on minjah I was sort of, like did Georgia not wanna take the treatment and continue. And I don't blame her for that. But. I need more information on what happened between minjah and Georgia. Yeah. Because there had to be a difference, because when like Georgia was limited. I remember it. Cued eliminated. I say the same thing from did it say, like eliminated the quit. I'm because I feel like that's a that could be at this thing. I mean, I t j treated her pretty nicely for quit. And we have a question about that later. So we'll talk about that then. But yeah. Wasn't even there when Georgia was eliminated down? These me to believe that was like Maddux more Soviet like you're done. And Mattie was like, no I'm done. There's a huge difference happen, Mattie and Georgia. I'm just wondering if because Georgia was saying, I just wanna get out of here. I'm done. I'm done. I'm done again. Understandably. If that was like, like can you seek treatment and go out and Georgia just didn't want to or was it just impossible to treat her and her continue? And that was different because like the difference could have been in in what was going on with their bodies or the difference could have been that Georgia was saying, I'm done a ninja was like one, can I go back? I was actually surprised that I had let ninja goes, I'm kind of with you. I think once you're in the tent, and you're getting any sort of like boosts or anything, obviously, have to give it to you. But I don't know if you should be allowed to go back, and I feel like that should that should be it. You're out. I do not think there was a plan to give them IV's in between the challenge. I think that decision was made because it seemed like every single person needed one and in Maya sumptious received an IV during the challenge, like, I was thinking, if you going to ask you, if you get medical attention should you be decoded but it does take time. So you are held back because of time. And yes, sure maybe you can make up for it, because you're more energized. And, and people don't see medical treatment aren't I think it's a gray area. I often wish on survivor. I think rob his talked about it that they would just like treat you quickly if they can and send you back so that. Because a d Q is so. Impactful? So I think I air more on the side of like everyone can get done the basics if they need it and continue if they can. But I understand people who are, like if she got an issue should be queued. Yeah. I think I think it's a little different for when you're just reentering like the full game of our verse like a race. I feel like if you're doing challenge in survivor, and you're giving a boost go right back to the challenge. I that's the difference your get hurt in the challenge, and they want to patch up a, a heart own, or whatever it is making fix you and then you go back into the game that's fine. I'll be able to go back into the challenge. It's not a perfect comparison. I mean, especially because this is a two day challenge supposed to a six hour Matt's on survivor. But I I totally I'm with you. There is no way their plan was to give them I've overnight. I think that was a clear, like I think we are going to actually endanger, some of these people when we like, give them a boost otherwise they're knocked me do anything moral, especially because like these people were just like going out, like, when Georgia basically says, like all come back, you know, hydrated next season like I d- dehydration would be crazy for anyone like for this kind of thing you need to be like, fully hydrating. Like the week before, like drinking water from your Camelback that day is not going to do it. I mean, people people tree months for a marathon and they're doing double. So that's crazy. I have written down the George. They said eliminated. I imagine they probably said the same thing for Matty, which is in bigamous. Okay. So the standings at this point when they give us the first check in after Georgia's quote eliminated sounds like they took her out back. Theo was. And I was in second turbos and third. The ninja than hunter then Mattie than Kara, which kind of ends up staying the same like car and hunters which, but like you said it kind of seemed like it was out in the head the whole time kind of seems like everybody else was, she's me like in their spot for most of it. Yeah. Not a lot of big spas is clear, though, that it was like a full twenty minute gap. I kinda like I check the map on the car one hundred stuff because it should have been twenty minutes hunter, and that and I'm glad the math checked out, so that was a check in the box of not rigging stuff for the number. So I appreciate ever imagined. Read the timing. I just want a little sensor relief just to see a little math. Come out and see all right? There you go. Twenty minutes and twenty minute different south Titian. Brian cohen. Yeah. No, I mean fairness anyone's performance surprise, you either positive or negative of the final eight. I mean like I said, THEO doing as well as he did. I shouldn't surprise me anymore. He's at this point. Nothing you would do well with surprise me. I mean west is right in turbo there was struggling a little bit is a little surprising. But this is a brutal. I'm not gonna shake anyone for for doing that car. I guess would be the biggest disappointment for being second last and not being the top girl, being behind ninja at this point. So that will be the, the, the big headline of surprising. Yeah. I think Kara was probably agree with you. The most surprising and disappointing way. I think it is interesting that hunter like ends up finishing dead last and is close to last the entire time. It's like, oh, like who carried whom in your final with Ashley hunter, like somehow he'll still figure out a way to like have a leg to stand on? But like you're losing so badly. In the challenge, of course. Ashley be in the running, and the puzzle narc for hunter shocking. What do you think if the strategy of like we see ninja is someone who is trying to do to checkpoints at a time rather than to give her rest, rather than running right away. Like, do you think there was wisdom to that? Or is it better to not the laps out earlier? I think it's really just have to listen to your body just can't as quickly as you can get the running dawn and be down to one lap. I would be the best way to do it gives you the most flexibility. But if you call it only walk the blob you might as well. Try do another checkpoint and just not know twenty minutes and give chance to, to refresh. So I think if you're just listening to your yourself, and your body, you have to do with drugs outing, there was a negative to do in to check, I think it worked out for some people. And I think you just have to make sure you can set yourself up the run, the, the ryen part and the biking, part of the wise you're doing a big this Irving, when you're just walking, because that's where you're gonna lose the most time the other parts are most twenty minutes. So you have to say up to do well for the running. My impression here is that ninja was not making good decision. But, like, who am I to say, like I only going to get harder, and it's only gonna get hotter. Like. As the day goes on. And as you continue to yourself like to me, like take your to rests to like a forty minute period. The only wisdom to that to me is that you ensure that you won't be waiting by checkpoint. Better to be walking than to be waiting by checkpoint. Although I agree with you, walking's, Don good. I'd be literally like inching along with my neck, like whatever. But, but like it's only gonna get worse. So you're going to need the rest later in the day more than you'll need them originally. And when when injury was doing this. My thought was like I think the winner is going to have knocked out the laps early on. And that's the did although car and Mattie, who had to do to lapse in a row early on did not perform well however they had to do those two laps because they were the slowest running anyway. So we don't get a lot of information there. But I just think you're gonna want those twenty forty minute breaks later in the laps and then your last lap baby will be on pure journal in but at least for that third lab, it's going to be harder than the second one. So I, I didn't think I guess, maybe if you do to one you're relying on a journal in which worked for ninja. But I, I think it's better to try to get the labs Edison as you can. And the reality is, like, what happened with turbo listening to your body like your body's going to tell you to stop at some point. Probably after the first run, you know it's gonna be pretty brutal. Anything THEO seem the least damaged by it. And ninja, which to me suggests she got a boost in the van because she seeing Chipper after she black tissues, goody you don't black out and then you Chipper because you blacked out, you black your Chipper because you've got an IV because you blacked out. Going. She was ready to go. Yeah. Well, the first one killed her then she was fun. Ivy's really are like a wonder like it's incredible what they do roof. Double shop journal I am. This is speaking of double shot, I am so excited to see how Cayo Picard scored a west talking about his ginger baby because one, it should be a drink for enemies, and two should be a drink for the ridiculous use of the money. Also, it was kind of you. Kind of got him in the way to have a Katie already gave them a kid, and now he's looking to have it with the money you just like go through your documents to what happened on your end. I moved by response is why go to drink. A tricky games inside. That it's funny you should mention cow card. I have three hundred pages of dossier. He sent me. I do have a all of his listings, and it's actually three pages I now have a section my where I've just outlined, all of the physical issues people have a but to start before we talk about that Haley strong before we talk about the issues people. Let's talk about our issues. Haley says question for the pod if you were forced to do this final, how quickly would you die? I think I would die within seven minutes, that's from Halle. Seven minutes, probably about. Right. Because that's like, you know, little around them, you know, mileage by a little less than a mile and then that's, that's probably the most I can run. Now I'm not coming close to running a seven minute mile ever. But certainly not incense certainly not in the degrees. All true. Sandia gave you. I'm just not doing the challenge. I mean, I would never reach this point anyway. So if I was ever still here what am I doing you? Give me back in the helicopter. And I'm ready to go to main elements, the main. Post Georgia ailments turbo gets a huge cramp turbo apologizes to his body and continues on at times. He is whimpering as he continues like my heart fully fully broke. Yeah. I was I was hoping we get zoom in on the leg kind of life for west is big cramp. When we saw the bowls moving around. It was like super creepy, I didn't get any type of flashback to, to that scene especially after west collapsed. We would see that I guess, because he kind of collapse soon after he was done. So it wasn't mid final, but I was surprised we didn't get any flashback for that. I just like couldn't be more impressed with gerbil like turbo, an absolute monster, when he's like I'm willing to die for first place who else is willing to die for first place and like he's serious. He's willing to die doing this final like it's not about the bunny. He's looking for the win. I've never seen somebody visibly in that much pain, whimpering and just continue and to have come in third. It not everyone was in pain. But like that to me was unbelievable. Very impressive. Who knows what he's done in his past Ivy. Learn, you know, skills about a hold someone hostage. So maybe he learned how to tolerate a high levels of pain in his previous my business. But no with ninja we talked about ninja but great addition by Haley the drinking game. We get dry heave from ninja while she's in the van cures for find out how Kyle scored that. So stay tuned, very interested on a lot of gray area. Yes he had he had a field day with some of the, the options this week. And then west I was also impressed with another strategic thing you could do here is he's pretty sure he's gonna time out. So he just ends up sitting taking a restaurant, the twenty minutes that I thought was one of the most impressive uses of the timing out, because if you're going to stand there, and drag things around for twenty minutes, you might as well just sit and take the full body rest. Jay, though not oppressed. Now, he's a TJ. I always on TV aside, but, you know, it's twenty six twenty four miles you don't like y'all when they wanna take a little bit? You're spending their Chilin for the five hours. They wanna take a five minute break, you know, give them a little a mulching Larry. I think I forget, what he said. Exactly. But it was something like, pick it up west like west is fully sitting down, it's one thing if you wanna heckle in west L quick back in the game. But, like pick it up implies he's doing it slowly didn't even fit right? Was blocking everything out of that point. TJ Meg Quinn says in regards to Mattie, was that the nicest TJ's ever been to a quick before? Yeah. I mean, the cigarette calm, brought back, Tra shell when she quit reams or not tra- shell the one from Portland. Whatever her name was when she sucked about staying cigarettes, so I guess. Good advice. I mean I thought he was pretty soft on her, but I think it was justified because this final was insane. Edward Morris has we'll Mattie. Stop smoking cigarettes. I hope so. Rooting for you Matty. Yeah. Nyah. No, the other one for Portland, so many people from Portland. The one who's on for one season. Pair with Jess Paul, and it's. And it's. Asia anesthesia. Great hookup from NS Asia, gone, forgotten sort of forgotten, but not gone. We'll see. I again, I think matters in the category of women who's gonna come back as a monster like yeah. Maybe she will stop smoking, if she understands that, like her career could be in this. I think Mattie was great. I think we'll be back. Anything else to say about Mattie? Nope. Show back to back. All right. We have the final finish times I thought this could have been the entire final. We've had finals that are worse like shittier less intense than this on its own. Theo finishes. I five hours and thirty minutes, ten minutes later west finishes second with the preview that he's going to be cramping up and collapses. So we'll see what happens with west. Yeah. Only like you said, only fourteen minutes behind him is turbo and third. And then we have the biggest jump a little bit more than a half hour. Thirty seven minutes is an engine fourth who bursts out crying and deserves to feel good about herself. I thought that was impressive from ninja, especially having to get into the truck. Kara in fifth with less than ten minutes behind ninja, and then I have my count. Yeah. About twenty minutes a little bit less. That's interesting. Sixty three twenty minutes. Exactly hundred six place twenty minutes later so ever beat hunter and he sucks. Yes. Suck suck suck question. We're they just standing there until it got dark and TJ showed up like I was very confused at the transition to the second leg. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe they were giving them a break, maybe wasn't around to come back. I, I don't know what they were giving them what were they hoping them to do with a thinking, maybe it we're gonna have them stay up all night. And then they were bad, and, like, maybe we should bring the ivy's in, because they can't just stay up on when you give them something that's kind of where I lean. So I don't they like to f with them? It's like when they had to wait in the subway station, they just like to make them wait all. And if you were it was confusing because there was no transition for us, which was like it's Turkish TJ. Right. But he reveals that the top three were THEO west and turbo. And they are going to form a tribunal. What do you think of the introduced introduction of seemingly elimination in the middle of the final? I don't like it. I'd rather them just do kind just classic like whoever finishing less just eliminated from the final, I only voting and like challenge like that seems super out of life, that I'm not a fan of that at all. See, I loved it because I thought it was high drama, but low impact, so I it was high drama to the set in the middle of nowhere of the tribunal like it is going to I think have lasting consequences like grudges might be Bill coming into next season of, like you eliminated me from the final, because nobody wants to believe that they're out of it, you know, seemingly ninjas the obvious choice to put up because she's in fourth place, but ninjas going to hold a grudge man. And like that to me is cool. Have to think about it. And in terms of low impact, like, I would not like it, if it was like the bottom three formula tribunal, and you can knock out someone from the top three like the odds of someone in the bottom three at this point, winning the final is. Super-low like the first everyone exerted themselves. So it's not like THEO west and turbo are like disproportionately more exhausted than the bottom three and it was a test of endurance. Speed stamina puzzle strategy. Like I can't imagine the top three flop completely. So one of these people getting clipped is fine with me. So I think it's exciting. Fair that. I don't think outside of maybe fourth jumping, the third probably since they're combining times, like there's no way. So I was gonna make up a congress not making up two hours the jump in the first, so I guess that's fine. I, I don't know. I just don't need to see a fine, I'd rather just do the final if you want eliminate people on the way do it just because they're an last, I don't need to see vote. I that's what the game is where the finalists supposed to be one long competition into. Let's. As we disagree. So it'd be interesting to see how it actually plays out and how long how much time it will take etcetera. But you mentioned like ninja in fourth place. First jumping like, let's talk about the gender stuff here. Nathan Miller, says, is it unfair for men and women to be racing together. Yeah. Probably. The way this challenge will set up. I mean, it was that was that for a guy to win like outside of, you know, doing changing up the total second half about having someone just having a couple of minutes or something like that. So, yeah, it's preowned fair. And once again, goes back to, they should just be doing this in Paris, and new, it'll be pretty fun. I think I prefer pairs to individuals. It's also like different one car. Like when Kara won it really kind of came down to. Puzzle or with Ashley, it was sort of, like. You're winning pair and then who wanna get your like I don't know, a kind of showed that women can beat men in the fine because Ashley beat hunter. And then, like, I kind of think that's like an interesting dynamic, because it's like individuals within pairs. I think if you're doing straight individual and so much depends on running, it's I don't wanna get into like a who's inherently fast or stronger like conversation, but I think it shows the top three or men to the two women are in the bottom, like I don't think any of the points keep us. Akiva, Akiva, asked a question. I'm announced his second but him and I had a discussion about it. And he was sort of, like at best, the five checkpoints were neutral and basing it majority on running is going to favor then. So like you don't have anything that's going to favor women like this. You can't be like, oh, women are smarter. They're better at puzzles the only thing you will get into his questions. He said, what if anything should they do to even out the playing field for women in a final, like this didn't it clearly favor the men in the past and seem doing sort of, like, carrying weights proportionate to your body that would be like if, if based on your weight you had to carry a ten pound bag versus a fifty pound bag. I think that can kind of slow men down, or just do it fairly, like not based on gender based on weight, body weight, which can impact like your performance in the challenge. Anyway. And I would say doing a short, I, I think that's kind of what know last season. We're instead of this wasn't like a five hour long thing. It was, you know, a mile run, whatever your time is. And then do a segment. Whatever your time is. And then we say that I think that breaks it up where a good even things out that's way less. Interesting to watch. Of course. It was. Why should I wish they had bears getting back into the game the tribunal? They all go off to the pain. I, I thought only the tribunal was going to be allowed to have the IV bags as a reward turns out, everyone can get an IV Edward Morris says would you take the IV? I mean you have to you have to one hundred percent but like I said, the job like for Kara like, if you're that scared of your fear of needles people want hundred have fear, like I just thought Ninja-like belittling. That was pretty horrible. I totally disagreed. I thought car was acting like an absolute fool, like you have to get an IV. It's like if somebody declines to jump out of a plane because they're afraid of heights like, d when she was afraid of drowning because she's drowned and like she alternately did it like what she was for out as we're figuring. As we're figuring. But you to do it like not only car, not do it. But then she was like, I have to get out of here after get out of you have to get out of here, like then get up and get out. I mean, maybe she wasn't allowed to, and then I'm being sensitive about it. But like to me you're everybody has fears in this game and you need to be able to do what it takes to win. And we've seen people eat things we've seen people jump out of helicopters planes swim when they can't swim like it is going to be impossible, if car wins this, that an IV I will polish is in the next episode, but like it is completely damaging to her game to let everybody that she's competing with get intravenous fluid and her not. It's definitely damaging. But it's also it's not like she has to do it like this isn't something where if you don't do this writing. She has she loses. She'll get no money, which is the just as Illich she'll be limited. That's being eliminated. I think she will not. I don't think she can finish in the money as a result. And again, maybe she does maybe west craps out and maybe she surpasses ninja, and then good on her. Three, I think, at this point, that's like a self filling prophecies. I don't think she's going to jump the third with or without the so I think. I don't know for fear like I'm like fears I dunno needles are thing that like people just cannot do like how you get tattoos. And yet. If she's not looking, I think things like she doesn't wanna look she clearly you all. What could not look at getting on V could close your eyes. Which this car, I guess from the tattoo show Jews from which are administered with needles. That's like her fear is not needles. Fear is medical stuff medical needles medical. Medical needles versus getting to, to me. This was like classic Kara high-drama. Like I'm freaking out freedom. Forget for you could also just not get it and be like, I'm not doing this. I'm afraid of this, and I need to, you know what I mean. Like it's just like okay, then decide not to do it was probably. It was probably a little over the top. But it also wasn't like what does she benefit from that? Doing benefit. I think Kara does a lot of things for retention and like I don't even think it's conscious car is just like an intelligent seeking person takes one to know on, but I just think this was like and asking THEO to cover her. His arm didn't bother me that seems like a reasonable request. I don't wanna look at your blood dripping out of your arm. Can you cover your arm? I just think. I don't know. I guess she's like attention seeking, but she's really going to do this and negatively affect her chances. Suggesting adjusting that she doesn't get it. And that this is all made up. I think she has this phobia, and she's not getting it, but I think dramatics of gimme gimme on chameleon. To go into your wasting so much energy to like you're in the middle of the final your athlete like your beast. If you're not gonna get it which I do think, and you're right. Like we won't be able to prove if it was because you didn't get it or if she did get it. I mean the only way, we'll be able to prove it as, if a she ends up coming in the money without it or be she ends up getting medevac, which, I don't think she will like Georgia because she's hydrated. Then I think we could point to it either way. But, like, she's, she's not going to get it to. You're not gonna get it. And you wanna ask the cover up, or you wanna be sitting there with your eyes closed, and your plug fine. But she's wasting so much energy and look, maybe she's having a full blown panic attack, but it's crazy. She's not in a hospital like she's in a truck, so it's not like you're surrounded by so worse. I think if that's like. Medical devices like to me being in the you're you're like a grungy, like place like it. You're saying if you're Trig if it's not needles because you have tattoos and it's medical treat. What did she say wrote it down somewhere like her biggest fear is medical treatments? It would be like where you I imagine she doesn't like hospitals like that's all medical around round, all of this medical, like just, I don't know. I just thought it was such a waste of energy tad. Insult injury on herself like knock getting the IV, and like it's like to me, it's a Kintu not jumping out of a plane when you need to and taking. Maybe it's taking time penalty right? It's not getting cute, but it's like you're gonna take time then ldi like, everyone has to face their fears. We would be coming on someone so hard, if they didn't jump out of something, I'm afraid of frigging everything. So I sympathize but I was very disappointed to see Kara who's like, and I respect that you don't that you were more sympathetic to her. That's fair. But just like cars, such beasts car will do whatever it takes to win turbo say he's going to die to win and car is gonna like exert so much energy over not getting. Something that would help her. I was disappointed. We'll see. She overcomes. But. I think it's got to be an injured. You think anyone else is getting up for a limitation who's gonna get the votes in the tribunal? I think we'll get one vote from turbo. That that's at least one vote going away. So I mean who else who else would Wes and THEO before wouldn't vote for hunter? I don't see him voting for Kara. Right. So I think, and yeah. I think definitely gets too. I mean, the only rationale to someone voting for car would just sort of be like you're the experienced one year, the challenge. You've won an individual like individual. Individual challenge, like maybe I still in more threatened by you because you're only you're not that far off ninja. But I think. Like it just makes sense of for ninja here in the fourth place. Yeah. Who really cares? I mean who do you think? Okay. If ninja or car goes in. Who do you think they pick? I would assume they pick each other. I mean, unless you see, like over the setup is of elimination that's clearly, a puzzle type situation, then you can pay Connor. But if, if you're doing something physical I feel like they're not gonna choose hundred doesn't have to be something gender neutral, though. Because like I don't think they're going to have it where it's a possibility that a woman goes up against a man and it's hall brawl not even like not like head to head. But even it was like that, like the one that they've on one with the rope, pulling, or something like that, where it's like a war, or something like that, where physical, but now like head to head physical, do some wonder if they would do that. I'm sure they would cause the whole challenge like that. I don't I feel like the odds are that it's going to be something non physical. That will be my that'll be my guest. But if you don't know going in, I don't know if you can kind of roll the dice. Right. Interesting. Interesting. All right. We, we've been into this little time, let's talk about it. Jennifer Harris this final too big of swing in the opposite direction. They were too easy, and now too hard. Yeah. I think the biggest thing is the heat, and then the Sanofi bills to make it even more hard. Like I do, I think there's a middle ground where they can break this up even if they just had this exact final, but like it was half today and half tomorrow, and they don't whatever they're going to do tomorrow, like I'll make you need to do more than twenty four miles of stuff and five puzzles at. That's pretty perfect. See I'm the incense. I agree that this could have been a full final, but I don't even think it should have been have today and tomorrow, I think they should have been the final, and THEO one like. Bob with that. But that's not the way they do the finals. And I, I don't see I don't know if I'd even want that kind of all drama. I feel like usually someone's clearly had in wins, at least now there's some drama baked who's gonna win when it's two combined times. I mean, in theory though, if dad, edited it differently with this being reveal like I think would have been like we didn't know who is in first, like they kept telling us. But if this were the whole final, I don't know that we would have kept hearing, like those and I, I was excited. Jonathan Lilius that is final actually safe to compete in, like I when I was watching this. I was like, wow. The magic is back. Like we say the finals broken. They fixed it. I was thrilled watching this. I thought it was magnificent to watch exciting. It has been a long time since I felt like wow, not only could I not do this because I can't do anything. But no human. I know could do that. And, you know, I don't think that this is your believe it's the hardest fine on history. And it's the longest. But like I remember when they did like was like laurel, and Zach and Devon came in third like. Is that free agents people are gonna be mad at me whatever it's all blurred. But when it's like, when they were and I referenced this all the time when they were climbing up that no covered mountain, and they had kayaked and they've gone through Rapids like, like I have felt before, like, wow. This is frigging hard and people have been medevac, and we've had some of the most crazy looking close to death looking medivac on the challenge in finals past. So I didn't feel like this fill in humane. But now, seeing some of the criticism like someone tweeted like this was hard to watch these aren't athletes. These are reality TV stars like there is a line and maybe they crossed it. I was from an entertainment standpoint, not a moral standpoint. I forgotten love this, and I can't wait for next week. And I love that there's more and like this is brutal. And this is like, what we quote unquote, pay for, like, what we came for like, this is the challenge. I definitely would prefer them go closer to this way, then the super easy way. I think maybe there's like a middle ground between the middle. And this, this is the foreign that maybe they can dial back like twenty percent because I mean, I guess it's, it's good to see people dropping out just the sheer just the brutal of a final, but you don't want to many people dropping out, and we almost had three three of the four girls drop out, the as we discuss a case could me were ninja may have should have been limited. So I, I don't know if we want that many people dropping out. So I think there's a middle middle love that I feel like we've started with too many people, and now we drop to people and again like, assuming no one gets permanently hurt and nobody was close to like. I don't want somebody frigging die because of the like, I'm not crazy. But like I liked it. It's so hard that people can't finish it. Like that doesn't bother me show much. I'm trying to pull up because the free agents final the final talking about and that always like stood out with me. Yeah, I guess it was it was a kayak race, then a ten k run through mountains, and that's exac lost his life. And then a climbing up steep Rocky Mountain side, and then twenty five miles stationary bike before resting, and then climbing up the snow covered slope. So maybe it's not so much. I mean that seems pretty grilling I couldn't do that, either. I wonder if they like if they didn't anticipate how hot it would be. And that would that ended up being hard, the sand made it harder. If like part of what's exciting, though, is like seeing something like in, in the next episode where they're like in these, like gorgeous desert. See would never be in. Like that's what I remember like Devon on this snow covered. Mountain top with an ice pick like that's crazy and cool to me. So maybe it doesn't have to be this hard. But I still wanted to be this like magnificent to watch. Yeah. Seeing the spectacle zoom outs. Yeah. That that's, that's fun. We have had that in recent seasons, maybe out to the grand spectacle of free ages. But, you know. They do. Well, like showcasing, let's see. I don't think this had that like I think next week is the portion that has that like this just being in a circuit to me, like while it was hard enough to be the final, like I don't just want a circuit like. I don't know kind of thing like car and Jamie, I'm like bloodlines when they were just like through the city like I wanted to be a place. I could never be. This is now specific to me like that. That's when I watch challenged I'm like, well, it goes watching the preview for next week. And I was like, when turbo topples over in the desert, and it's only San I'm just like, well how crazy. How crazy I don't wanna even to be harmed. So maybe I'm expecting too much. But without the criticism, I thought this was amazing hearing other people's criticism hearing your comments, and like okay that makes sense. It was. I mean like I said I'd rather this than super easy. So we got that. We still do the prospect of the week. I feel like that didn't happen. Last week. I don't know was was there someone that stood out. I guess the. Oh for winning the first leg of the final point everyone's gotten it. But yes, he is, is clearly the prospect of the season, I guess, I guess we can declare that at the reunion. Right. We'll see turbo ends up weighing this season. I guess he'd be prospect to the season without winning potentially be. I could see somebody who doesn't win being the prospect of the season. Stay tuned for that. What a teaser states. I haven't I want to add but not for this. It's not for the final it just because I want to remember it at it next year. Okay. Wonderful future addition. To the game. There were twenty five drinks total even I sell told the show at the cow card one mention of rookie one flashback and the season. What I ended the one for each file segment. I think this could have been broken out. He gave me one. I think you could have drank for each. Checkpoint? But he just had one. You want to be the new chief party officer. No. Stand. All I was questioning it questioning it, but I, I come to Kyle's where sixteen subtitles three flags at half mast and one special for future, baby. So you did not give weird use of the money. I guess having a kid isn't a thirty even on the game anymore. No. No. Yeah. It's on there and so is Haley's vomit. The snow came up. It doesn't dry. I don't know. Maybe we need to go back to Karl. Same with questioning the same with your rule today. We gotta remember the number one ruled the game Carlisle when offense when it out drink. You're right. I'm not willing to do the job. So I will be quite no. Yeah, I want to add for next season so flag. I mean it won't happen on the challenge. But I would like to keep it as a real that stays on for next season. When someone's in costume, and this is inspired by pilot TJ. But also, I think Faustian party there will be live apertures for that. Always costumes. But yeah, I guess there's nothing no sense really adding unless you unless you wanna drink whenever they say, what was it called death toll? The checkpoints called. Kill spots or something notes that I push it was like kill. Pills on the pain locker so a lot of lot of mentions of people dying in various drink when you feel sad. You can on that the list. Social media, I was off the leash this week and did the social media. But I am not as nice to myself, as Meghan Elizabeth is to us. So I have to now scroll through photos on my phone because I did not organize it because I am a sham. In the meantime, I think five reviewer Marianne nine to one. Thank you so much for appreciating the work that was done while I was gone. We are now proudly say, and I'm sure it will change. Take pity on me. Everyone I'm rusty as a tweet it out. We are now in an average of five stars, it can fluctuate between four and a half and five or backup to five thanking Marianne nine to one. If you want to help us maintain that everage you could go to rob has a website dot com slash challenge. I really appreciate it. Kayla tweeted, some shade at Kara. I'm I'm not gonna include the shade. But one of the things she wrote about his tattoos like something's, not adding up here. She also mentioned some potential medical procedures. That's none of my business to talk about. And then the challenge tweeted, the not the official challenge, who had sitcom is crying about getting a needle and hers, if she didn't get thirteen seasons worth of axons to appear on the challenge. Fair. This killed me. This is probably my favorite tweet of the season. So someone named at Georgie Smith wrote, it's so nice to see a real final again. Thank you at challenging MTV at TJ Laven hands up emoji three times. And TJ wrote. Thank you for not quitting. Now. Does he mean like thanks to the viewer for not quitting on the show or is there chance he thinks this is Georgia's Twitter? Interesting. I think there's a non zero chance he thinks it's Jordan gets non zero chance. I really really enjoyed that. So that also TJ's. I don't know what version of Twitter still has. But he's the only person on the planet that's still has like the old version of, of quote, re tweet for for anyone who doesn't know what breads talking about. It'll say thank you for not quitting capital. Our capital, TV at the person who tweeted, and then they're tweet like it is not a quote, tweet is the old school redoing. I don't think that's I, I think he's just doesn't manually or just hasn't Twitter in like four. Crying if the it does this. No. I think he definitely does the tweet, right? His comment our T, and then post three I think that TJ has like a four an iphone four that doesn't have like the ability to download the new Twitter. That's the only he's the only Twitter only Twitter user on the planet who still who still in a real, Georgia. In a real re tweet somebody put like, oh, the preview makes me sad. And she wrote, I just hope everyone doesn't see me, as we are something who is giving up when they see clips like this. I don't even remember this happening, I was completely and utterly not in my right mind from dehydration been dreading watching this bit back. So I don't even though I it's potentially more of a quit than than just thing. I don't look she did amazing. I hope we Georgia. If anyone has been keeping up with Shane, who's now shady Zhang on Twitter. He's been tweeting a lot of shit about MTV. Guaranteed not coming back, like I don't know who's choice it is. But like there's no way with the stuff. He's been saying. He's coming back. He tweeted a one year ago, a group of women and a f- word slur referred us to refer to gay people made an alliance Ranna game one a show, we're Vilnai's, editing because TV show about intelligence, loyalty and friendship is only interesting on MTV if white misogynous men do it. All right. Then DEA said I actually forgot there was more, and I thought I want it first law at challenge TV that he and distance does crazy things to your head. Four hundred meters up to two twenty four miles. Just heart was carrying me on that one. Well done at west the done. Well, also. Theo might still be in the. Drop meters in their bring the UK. I'm not convinced that that was not still under the influence of thousand degree heat based on that tweet. So that's all I have a mere hour worth of bullshit for you. Woman, false creek. The have you at though. It's great. Of course. Leaving next week Briand sopping out of dropping out. Financial loss. Call the week. I'll be show off. Yeah. Brian's taking a much deserved rest. Next week, Gluskin. We'll be with me to talk about challenge. First year of law school finisher, which feels better than graduated does, is exciting. So she will be on to make a return of sorts as well post law school, and we'll miss you, but I feel like I feel like real Gore's does the final swish for union this time of year. I don't know. Eight killed me every time you tried to be like with at least hailing Johnson was wills first time. But, like I think you've done this before, like my favorite is when and now look at me getting to the bullshit at the end of podcasts. People can turn this off. It's fine. You said to Jonathan I forgot what it was. It was like, oh, Jonathan you've done this with me before. And I think you've probably done it with alley as though, like he's my friend. I like three times before you had him on once like to bark of a friend is doing a podcast dying. You're like well, we've been on before, and like, maybe even done with Alli so funny to me. I john. Take your friendship with him. So that level doing Pakis together friends here who have met him through the survivor watch parties who like I will be at a dinner and they'll be like, oh, my friend clerks for this judge like I'll introduce you. And I'm like, oh, your friend, your friend from northwestern donnas environment. Oh man. He sees popular connector connecting Joe fo the Mojo. That is the worry about missing your survivor watch parts for softball since then. How does that I'm moving out of Michigan forever? Whatever friendship or he would never miss the podcast awful probably wouldn't it? Just gonna you said he can do because a softball, so both for the that's like a five five timer return and guests he's like, you know, what can't make it like it took me. Sorry. Go ahead. But, like, rob. I think the first time CB on the podcast. I like you know, canceled on, like a family reunion, not really bad just like can't do anything got to do this dour. I'm text me to do whatever Jordan killer show and I was like, listen, here's an it's going to have to be. I'm not doing. Just kidding Esco Esquire. Now shows is that the proper ending or is that can call me, Dr Lascher doctor of law. Dr backed by actually. No, I'm, I'm nothing nothing without my admissions. So it's just a funny little piece of paper, one more test. More should we go? We probably should. We do respect that you cookies and cream was too casual like that to me when I first heard Haley being like, oh, that was good cream. Oh, that has to be the pick and then you're like low cash. I'm like oh, they're so right. Spoke has for little black-tie. Sometimes spruce it up, somehow fun Feddie, which also cash fits the occasion, I agree with that completely. I was like, wow. They've really drawn the lines correctly of cake. Elliot's. Appreciate it. This is this is the thing. I the most. Initiative on do. Right. All right. So you in rookery back next week, the see who takes home the title of challenge world, world's champion, and second third, and then reunion. I'll be back for that. Hopefully, just one part probably four until next week. Follow me on Twitter at Cohen, Brian underscore. They can follow you talk. Subscribe at Rob's side last child challenge. I tunes until next time. One. At farmers insurance. We know every windshield collision has unique sound beetle. Drone seen it covered. Click for more. Under it my farmer's truck. Fire insurance exchanges and affiliates. Products available in every state, but farmers insurance, we know every windshield collision has unique sound beetle Burt boop. Drone seen it covered. Click for more. Underwritten by farmer's truck fire insurance exchange center. Affiliates products available in every state, but farmers insurance, we know a roof can withstand a lot. 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257. Paul Sand

Gilbert Gottfried's Amazing Colossal Podcast

1:26:30 hr | 1 year ago

257. Paul Sand

"Hi, this is Gilbert God ring, and why have your friends in enemies, look and listen to you when they the look and listen to me, go cameos dot com, and I will send out personalized breeding personalized Tate. Personalize in difference. Go do patio dot com and get me he'll Burt God. This is Ron Friedman speaking under great duress, reminding you that this is Gilbert Godfrey, colossal amazing. Unbelievable stimulating should be rated X because it contains things that could be harmful to your genitals podcast lucky. You could be a shitty weather report. But. On the next Gilbert and Franks, colossal obsessions. As what about this? My mother the car episode from this is five. Yeah. This is just I was going really deep deep cut. This is this is why you know, this show failed so miserably because the name of the episode is my son that than Trillo Quist. That's the name the episode season. One episode ten and the name of the band is called the spats which turns out was a real garage band out of garden grove, California. Even find this stuff mazing, they performed on shindig, they released a couple of albums including a single called gator tales and monkey ribs at you heard of the Senate that sounds that sounds like Gilbert's next book. Right. Braga's possess. Confess? Gilbert, and Frank's amazing colossal obsessions. Every Thursday only on Stitcher premium. Hi dishes. Gilbert Gottfried, MRs Gilbert, Godfrey, amazing colossal podcast with my co-host ranked Santo Padre and our engineer Frankford or our guest this week is a director comedian popula versatile, and Tony winning guy who's appeared in both on an old Broadway as well as in notable TV and movie world's since the nineteen sixties you've seen in his work and hit DV jokes. Like the Mary Tyler Moore show. The Carol Burnett show taxi LA loan, give me a break say Dell swear night cord the X files Dharma and Greg and in his Joan primetime series polled sand in friends and lovers and curb your through. Zia's? That's next. Yes. Oh, I thought you were done that was the Knicks. Sorry. All right that chocolate. I value thrown off timing. Tom now will be spontaneous. Yup. On chocolate. Well, well, you kill my introduction. Okay. Let's turn over get. Okay. Go back to go and in non forgettable role on Larry David's curb your enthusiasm. You see about that? I gotta. That's why it's written down. He also done memorable work in feature films such as fee. Amac's holy Moses that great Bank cokes. The main event teen will to Schulkin book and a movie that been discussed on this podcast. The hot rock. Oh, yes. Hey, stop. Yeah. Co-starring with our one time podcast guests run LeBron and Charlotte Rae. He's also so starred in on the New York and Chicago stages part of the fame. Second city comedy company. Comedy second. See city comedy second city company. Yes. Alright. I'm going home as well. As the may Joe inspired by mad magazine. Ed, he won a drama desk award and Tony award for playing multiple roles in the Broadway. Production of the poll sills story theatre a long journey. He's shared the stage and screen, which some of the most Roman figures in film TV and theatre, including Robert Redford, George Segal. Alan Arkin, Barbara Harris. Richard Pryor Dudley. Moore, George Carlin zero still and Barbra Streisand. He even worked with. Legendary Marcel Marceau. Please welcome to the show of favorite performer of Franks and mine and man who says he wants what in the presence of Judy Garland that talented all sand. Well, I know that was I think that was everything. That was law that was a lot. We're completed small did. I mention curb your enthusiasm. Yes. Yeah. Tell you my throw up story. Yes. Okay. So. I'm in Paris with the legendary Marcel Marceau, and then I come back that sleeping at my parents house, and I get a telephone coal for the choreographer named poll. God could wonderful, man. And he's at once you come down. I'm staging a show for Judy Garland. Maybe there's something info you so do I talk fast now. Now, doc, it's your normal pace. I'm racing isn't that weird chocolate? So so anyway, I went down there. And there was. All these people from the freed group, and they should those people that ran all the MGM musicals in the early days. Arthur freed was the main guy and. Anyway. So Roger Edens was the the piano player and Kay. Thompson was in the room member k tops. I know the name it anyway. Okay. So they will get a pick out. The course people. So I thought I don't wanna do that. So I said anything special like an audition for and they said, yeah, we we pick the guys they pick the guys I said, what do you want to do? And I I don't know place a music, and I they played music, and I just pretended. I was at an MGM musical, and I have been able to dance that I worked with our silver ever. And so I start doing dances like from MGM, then Judy Garland walks in. And she literally entered laughing and with a group of people with a group of people, and she sees this guy me is standing I mean auditioning and she became under racing. Again. She became very friendly and polite and she liked everything's just doing other one do another one. So she had me do three or four improvise dances. And then I said. Would you use me about it? I went out this exit the into an alley, and I don't feel good. Anyway, I started to get sick against his Wally alley. And there's this little hand is holding my forehead. And and I it's Judy Garland holding my head while I'm. Puking? Yes, you can say. And I said, I'm really sorry. I said I'd do this. What I get nervous as she said. Oh, don't worry about it. You wouldn't or on the road? You can use my bucket. Does that mean I got the job as she says? Yeah. Can you sing? So I'm looking at your garlic. I feel like I'm watching the movies. You know, short. I feel like maybe I'm Donald O'Connor. And I thought I can't tell the truth. I can't go back now. So I said, yeah, I can say she's well, then, you know, arrange it Bubba anyway. And come be my partner, I'm doing this trap number that I did with Fred she said they're in the movies. And and you do it. And that's how it started a friendship was born she held her head while you vomited. Yes. Suitable and you went you went on the road with her for. Yes. One night stands we train. She was recreating the vaudeville days while there were comics and singers. I just did that one piece with with her. It was my first real job Yali. Yeah. I paying job before seconds city, even do your member and need the comics. Frank on taint, crazy Guggenheim. Yes. Mrs john. It was pretty. Yeah. He. Yeah. It was pretty he wanted my job. He wanted to do the number with Judy as so he would be whispering into my ear the time that they're gonna fire you, and I'm gonna I'm gonna do your part. So that was upsetting. But start learning early the meanness of showbiz. Sure, I'm trying to wrap my mind around Paul sand on the road with Judy Garland and crazy Guggenheim you remember he used to do that character on the Gleason show Paul used to draw. Oh, that's what Frank Fontaine that. That was his his sort of stage. Character would be the bartender, and they go. Hey, a crazy. I didn't. He was a drink was a funny drunk in the days when you could get away with doing that kind of thing. Yeah. I get it. The comics anybody else come to mind, but there was a group of singers called the high lows. Wow. Does that? I'm going to have to research that looked I heard you say that you thought she was psychic, Judy Garland. Well, I think highly intuitive. I I don't know. What's recycle it, you know, but highly intuitive kazaa? She always knew when to leave a party. She was hey, let's get outta here. There's gonna be a fight and we would. And there was. Allen. Sheet. Why my ears so many stories of Judy Garland being a total mess. Like, totally confused totally screwed up, and you have a different opinion. Well, I don't know. I was with her every day. And she seemed like a extremely talented lady, very polite and very encouraging and very helpful. And she was never weird to me. She did only knew who I was every other day. How how so? I do. Well, would she cheat work with you? And the next day. Not know who you are. Well, we had. Get off a train, you know to go to the next town like Eugene, Oregon, and she say gimme a penny. So I give her a penny and she put it on the tracks and the train run over it. And it'd be real flat as she said here. Keep this in your pocket, the big good for you. So as it. Okay. Then the next morning I'd see her on on the train, and I go. Hi. And she look at me like who are you while so, but she was that's the only odd thing. But I liked her. And she was. Really helpful early in your career. I've just those few months. Yeah. 'cause I would you let on that. You were kind of obsessed with MGM musicals as a kid. Did you did you share that with her? I I don't know. Maybe she before she walked into the room, and Ginger Rogers was in the room. Wow. I know thrown up to. It was very exciting. And this Roger ease play the piano, and it sounded like a full orchestra while incredible incredible. Let's go let's go back a little bit. Because Gilbert thought all these years, you were Jewish. Yeah. I'm very heartbroken all sand, which is not real name up. Well, no, wait a minute. I am Jewish my mother's rushing ju on. My father's Mexican. So you are at you. All I was gonna I was going to stop the interview. Right. If your if your mother's Jewish that makes you Jewish right? Is that the is that the is that how that works? You were you were born Paul Sanchez, and you right, the Mexicans when did it become sand? And how did you how did you settle on? Somehow. I got an agent name Lillian small, and she said just like in the movies began to do something about that name because everyone's gonna think you're like some Jew from the Bronx, and you're get to walk in. No every you're gonna walk in with the name Sanchez. They're good going to expect somebody dark swarthy. But really you look like a Jew from the Bronx change your name. Like sitting like this, and we're through and I was always sitting on the beach always lived on the beach and how sand as half inches? But that's in those days. We'll new stories existed. You know, widow bother anymore to change the names. Now went think, that's right. You one out to France. And how did you locate? Marcel Marceau, you you've done some amazing research anyone's ever done it. No, it's amazing. I'm in Paris. I go to the Herald Tribune, which is English speaking English language newspaper. And I went to art buckwald sure to his desk that he worked on their Herald Tribune at that time. And I said, I'm this American guy. I'm looking for Marcel Marceau, do you have his address and he looked his Rolodex? And he gave it to me. And he said, good luck. And I said, okay, thank you. And then I found where Marcel Marceau lived, and I knocked on the door. And I learned how to say, I don't speak French. So I said if she's you MS you knew that bell say, and he says to me, well, I speak perfect English. Just like that. Wow. Yeah. So he said, I don't have a school. But I have a company wants you come back and a couple of weeks and auditioned for me. And I did I got in the company while now, so what what amazes me with Marcel Marceau is I would seem on TV. And I knew he was a gory mime, but his past his history on that. He was in the French resistance true. Yes. Indeed is. Yeah, he ever talk about that. Paul never interesting. I didn't know that in for two years later when I read about them really at Noah DEA, never talked about it. And he would go on these stainless missions where he smuggled children out of the out of the country. And and he said if that he kept the children quiet in those times that were terrifying times he kept them quiet by performing mime for them and entertaining that as a real hero. Yeah. That's amazing. That's an that's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. That's beautiful. So he rescued about seventy children. I think you you were two point in your life. Where you just decided you needed to change of scenery. You were what nineteen you didn't wanna go to work? No, I think it was about eighteen in there. Yeah. And I didn't want to I wanted to run away from home. My parents are wonderful and loving and no problem. But I didn't wanna go to Cisco. I didn't want to go to New York. I wanted to go to France. I've seen always always going to fridge movies wearing black turtlenecks. What what what did they think when they saw you over there that I was a cowboy? Yeah. That they did they all thought of an over here before I left the thought it was a French guy. You know? Yeah. Let me talk about a little bit about your about your childhood too. Because you you were you were a shy kid. But you were you were a movie buff. You loved MGM musicals, you'll love French movies. You loved all this stuff. Your parents were always encouraging to you. Extremely supportive supportive. Yeah. They didn't push me around this. Yeah. I would get up in the morning and say, I want to take piano lessons, and they said, okay, or whatever they always encourage me like supported me about. Yeah. Wasn't it that you said they were held back and their childhoods or they didn't get to pursue their dreams. You know in their day. It was like my mom wanted to be a ballerina, and you can't be a dancer. They said my father was a wonderful painter of beautiful wonderful pater. But he had to support the family. So. But he would paint. Sometimes I still have a great painting of his few of your mother said you could study with viola spol- in the great viola as long as you didn't become a child a child actor. I'm stunned at everything, you know. What we do is what we care about. But that's amazing to me. Yeah. I saw play when night, and it was all under a blue light. And I was captivated. I I said that's what I wanna do. So she called up UCLA. And said who's the best teacher for kids who wrote make them crazy? You know? And so. They found viola spolot we met and she got a scholarship for me, which was great. And my folks said you can act. Take classes as long as you what? But you can't be a child actor that you can do all this. But you can't go and. Yeah. They didn't want you to be one of the screwed up crazy child Gitter. Yeah. I think that was their their reasoning. Yeah. I think it was wise, y'all. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. A little a little context about viola. Oh, and by the way, whose name has come up on this show before I told you we had Peter Bonner's here. Oh, yeah. And we had other people here. And I can't think of who they are now, but other people who gave credits viola spol-, and why think Asner to was in the compass players wasn't he we we had Ed here. He mentioned her. I mean, she goes back to the thirty. She goes back to the the WPA. I mean, she was she was an actress she was a teacher. She was a director and mentor a lot of people and she's the inventor of theater games. She is. Yes, she invented the whole metric I belong to her little company called the young actors company, and she tried out. All these theater games on us. So I was about nine ten nine years old all the whole her whole technique. Became my technique of. Aware of it. You know, right. So how long did you study with her because I'm I'm trying to fill in the gap between you taking starting with her at nine and disappearing off to Paris at nineteen. Yeah. It was I studied with the well, then I came back, and I worked more with her or pulse hills. Family forever. Yeah. Right. And these are the these are the this is the the father and the mother if you will of modern of improv absolutely now, this is usually the question I asked toward the end of the show, but what what are some of the things you've learned the most important lessons you've learned about acting and performing. Not not to try to hard to trust your own intuition to trust yourself to trust your own person to just it's very hard to be yourself. But I think that's what works because we all have almost everything in. And then you just. It is play yourself, basically. But you play yourself doing everything, you know. Yeah. We never taught to put on odd makeup or footing noses or wigs and things just it all comes out. I had the pleasure of working with your old friend Alan Arkin on talk show a couple years ago. And we asked him what was the mistake that people in improv make and he said trying to be funny. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. That's what's wrong as when I go to improv company. Now, it's to me, it's painful because everyone's trying so hard, and that's all I pick up is people trying to our rather the being spun to viola used to compare true improvisation with a basketball game where everybody's on the same side. And we can't play the game without each other. And now it's become team saves. Everyone's. Penatta with each other. And that doesn't make four brilliants. Did Paris live up to your expectations. You had seen all these go, Dr films and Truffaut films, and you. Okay. So you had an idea of what it was going to be like, and it was just like the movies. It was great lived up to your expectations. It was perfect. You know, what's funny when you were saying about being your cell vibe in both sides one where I fought dishing things and other times where I've watched other people addition and people come in, and they'll be totally charming and likable. And then all of a sudden they act. That's it. They're gone. Yeah. But he there. Yeah. Yeah. Well, her technique was more about being of service on stage to to the other performers, and it being a group thing getting out of the way exactly just being with each other at seeing what comes up it takes a lot of courage, but it pays off at some point in Paris. You decided what I've I've had enough of this. And I have to go home. No, wait, a minute that absolutely. When I was thinking. It's really like Judy Garth. Was it too much of a good thing? We are like Carlin. Good callback. We see everything we're intuitive ball. God. Yes. It was you you were homesick or you decided this was enough glamour or enough. I have to go back at some point. It was either I stay here and try to become a French actor or go home, and I did want to stay become afraid. Schachter speeds. I love the fridge. But I would have been a great jump Bill Mondo. I see you. Starring in breathless. Do you know I was in Chicago. And I read a review by polling kale of the New Yorker magazine about this movie called breathless. How you got to see it? And so I got on a plane the night before our day off or night up and I flew into New York City distal go. See breathless, you know. So yeah, I was still great fan of of that that all had that spontaneous look to it didn't it. Oh, yeah. And that's I I was always attracted to that. Yeah. What when did when did you go back and and get involved with Paul sills, and what eventually would become compass players. I was I came back somehow, and I was in Los Angeles. And I get a letter from Paul sills. And he said, I've got this company called second city. And do you still do what you did as a kid it my mother school? And I said, I think so. Yeah. And. He said I saw you Elaine may and I came out to the school, and you're this little kid, and we just want to know if you could do it still do it while, and I said, I guess and that I got a plane and went and I was the quiet one though for a year. Oh, I have a little something to say. Why all mean? Yeah. Now the perfect time. Stop talking. No, go ahead. You're I'm sorry. No, tell us. No, I I don't want to be do pushy. No, we like it. Okay. What was I gonna say, Elaine, Elaine? So so everybody was brilliant. And they were all from the university of Chicago and great minds in very knowledgeable about what's happening everywhere in the world at all times. And I wasn't. So I would we took suggestions. So the audience, I always took the objects. So when it was time to do the improvisations after the show, I would take the objects, and then make it around that whether it's a baseball or this or that. Anyway, what night we were taking? No. So we used to go every morning at eleven o'clock, Barbara Harris, several Darden brilliant. Oh, seven Darden. Oh my God. Unbelievable. And the three of us would get on the bus and go see the latest Ardy movie. It would be like a Ingemar Bergman movie or attaching while then we'd come back, and we'd satirize them that night, you know. So anyway, that was our pattern for getting new material. So we're on the bus go into the movies. And there's a man sitting across from me on the bus reading how to win friends and influence people. It was very moving and really interesting that he didn't cover the book up with something. You know what I mean? I've been every thought this is so courageous and sweet this is not. So anyway that night at the theatre someone yells out phonograph record. I flashed on that guy's book. And I said, I'll take all take that. What I what I'm going to be a guy that buys a record cold hotter winner for an IS. What you did on the Carol Burnett show all those years later. Yeah. There forever anyway. So it's my point is I could speak when I felt. It was coming from me back to that. Again. It was something that moved me that I thought was very interesting or you know, anyway, then I could not stop talking because I got the courage right to be myself. His people laughed. So you were you were you were shy. You were kind of a wallflower for the first year, and then gradually got your voice. Instantly the minute. I saw the guy reading the book about the turning. And that was the very that. I I got it. Oh, I get. Improvising. Now, it's all got to come for me. My point of view on a subject how it might be clear. Yes. Very. You know, now just a memory of mine when I was a kid living in crown heights, Brooklyn me and my two sisters all in and Karen would go every night over to the Brooklyn museum to watch them film, the hot rock. There you go. Yeah. He was he was there. Yeah. Crowd. Watch people watching them film, the high rock fashion that when they're the big car accident when we fakes. Fakes I'm pretending to be doctors. Yup. Yeah. Yeah. Just. Just. Diamond. I we would see them the car speed around. They built an artificial front to the museum. So the car would have something to speed away from and it would speed, and and they yet it'd be that car accident. Yeah. That yes. Exactly. I remember that very well, also, very vivid. I yeah, I saw them doing. Of course, I remember they built like an artificial front. So they'd have something for the car to speed around. We had we had Ron Liebman here on the show. And we we of course, we talked about that scene as jump to the hot rock Gilbert. Yes, I'll come back to second city. But you know, we fly around here. Yes. Watching last night. I went back and watched it again, it's it's a favorite heist movie. We just lost William golden, by the way, the rather right or that screenplay fun couple of months ago. Just tell us about whatever you remember about zero. Who plays you're dead. You know, very, thank you know, audience rate serum. You were Paul was Greenberg, the explosives expert, and and zero was his double crossing dead. Yeah. Well, okay, aside, and this is from all sincerity aside from being an extraordinary. Amazing magical kind of actor just get into it and not come out of it. What was interesting. We shared the car on the way to location all the time. If it just be hitting me in the back seat of big driven around and he would talk about himself as being a painter. He'd never talked about himself as being an actor interesting. Yeah. That's the thing that comes to my mind other than playing with them wonderfully and comfortably in front of the camera and being on by watching him. Yeah. But that was the most outstanding thing heard he would like just go off on his own tangents when he was acting wonderful. Yeah. Inspiring. Yeah. We have to wear some people who did stage performances with them who were you know, an an actor named Gino Conforti who was in the original. Yeah. Lure on the roof with zero. And some people said. He would just go off script some nights. He was just he would just make his own show. I can't wait to do that on Broadway. I'll do it. Right. Great. And some of them were trying to get on the show a judge Seagal. Yeah. Another another great. How how is he doing what wonderful company were in Paul? It was a very comfortable company. Yeah. I like to. Yeah. It was. Yeah. Is he was very comfortable. Remember any tension or throwing up or anything? Very comfortable. Yeah. What Peter Yates gave you the part based on your Tony speech. Wait a minute. No. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah. I'm stunting research. Internet's a wonderful tool. Amazing fans. We're lifelong fans of yours. So some of this shit, we know naturally, and some of it, we do, you know, we go we go digging to fill in the gaps. Sometimes we look something up on the internet, and it's totally fucking wrong. Right. There's a lot to called out on it by our guest. Yeah. Well, some some who is aged. I can't think of his name. I really can't at the moment. He was a really hotshot agent at ICM. And he asked me out to lunch was after I got the Tony. And he said if you leave your agent. And come with us. I see him. I can put you in this very interesting movie in a very interesting part, which you do it. And I said yes, and I did and I would to meet Peter Yates. And he said, I didn't just what you said. I didn't see your play. But I liked your Tony award acceptance speech, and I want you for this part while and so then they did audition me, and I did and good at it. And then yeah, that's it. You're great in that picture. And I always remember your line in it. Zero Stelle does something, you know. He's really cut Nive ING guy. You know? Yeah. And these shyster lawyer, and you do you have this line where you go. Mama's gonna be really angry at you. I if you don't mind me sort of like straightening out that line little. Yeah. So. They decide to like pretend to get the key to a safe deposit box. They take zero up to this empty warehouse where I'm being held by this giant. And they're gonna throw me down the elevator shaft. If if if we is there doesn't give us the key. So it was like we're all in cahoots pretending to be chased around screaming. Oh. God, he says, you're kidding me. You wouldn't throw him down. Robert represents says something like, oh, no, okay. So and so and they threw down the elevator shaft. But it was only like a foot down on a mattress. But I screamed real out like falling. Zero goes crazy, what have you done? And then I say. I'm gonna tell mama on you. Daddy perfect. When you're hanging by the rope cuts hanging by the room. I also remember from watching that movie years ago if ghanistan banana stand. Yep. Was funny. Yeah. Yeah. Word of hit meticias. Yeah. All those great actors Moses Gunn to he was great everybody and. Oh, and one of those things, of course, I remember this the music was done than than than that, Ed and. Done. It's like an acid flashback. Isn't it Paul? I know that trick. I don't know did Yates let you the master improviser doing. Improvising and playing around with that wonderful, William Goldman script. You know, what I think if something if there's a wonderful lines to say, you're very comfortable with them. And you don't feel the need to like right is flow right along audio. Yeah. So that's no remembers. I'm thinking about you and Redford out on the lake and the first thing that the two of you have together and you're randomly flinging. These explosives, yes. Bushes. And you're telling them that you studied at the Sorbonne. Yeah. No. That was all written all written. Yeah. When we were like climbing over a wall escaping or going through it with scape into prison. Right. That we made up some dialogue on the way over the wall to have something to say such a wonderful movie, and you visually you look different in every single scene, isn't it straight? You've got you've got the big fro. And the next time. We see your hair slicked back, and he's he's he's looks like secret service. Remember this link back hair, a very mysterious Accenture character. Greenberg. Yeah. But let me go back to second city because I want to ask who was in the company, then when you it wasn't compass players when you join right because that knows that was the previous extradition. I there was playwrights. And then there was the compass. And then there was second city that what I arrived there was severed Darden Barbara Harris Eugene troop, Nick, Andrew Duncan. Right. Greytown howard. All sure is one of the owners. Was libertine. Ian there yet? Oh god. Yes. Uh-huh. Yes. Yeah. And Melinda Dillon was his girlfriend, and she was a coat check girl in the in the club. And then she knew when Barbara Harris would have to go way than Melinda. Said what day I know everything she's done while she would be she get up there into all the songs that all the scotch. Yeah. Yeah. Melinda Dillon who would go on to star with Richard Dreyfuss and close encounters of the third kind. Yeah. And a lot of Christmas story a lot of Christmas story with mcgavin. How can I forget shoe flawless, and what do you remember about your work your early work with Alan Arkin? You know, we didn't I we were in young actors company together. But we were just these little band of children. Really? And we would do plays the clown haram away and never on Sunday or or or no Sunday costs five pesos. Okay. So we were just kids, and, you know, nothing in particular. I didn't know he was gonna turn into L are cutting. You know, we were just like children playing really I just wanted to say about Paul sills. And by the way, did you that wonderful book called something wonderful right away. Did you give the off the author that title, you know, that too? I read that book years ago, and by the way, more people should know who Paul sills is. He would really throw his to the ground. If anybody tried to tell a joke. He said like religiously hold you down on the Greenwich. You were telling a joke you're telling a joke, and he says no jokes are allowed just humor. You know what I'm saying? Get all these comedians came out of that came out of that school. Yeah. Always how do you square that up? I think I don't know about everybody, but you sort of find your own again you find your own way around. And and I guess if CBS says, well when I was doing this series for CBS, the writers would have in the script, and I had I had the main role in the show and on the script. It was typewritten. This is a joke. Paul. Spell it out. I didn't recognize a bad joke when I see one. Yeah. But you are naturally funny. Actor I mean that that's all they saw me just doing Broadway not telling one Joe, then they give me this contract and give me a script full of jokes that I don't understand. That was in a lot of directors would go well, like an airplane was the perfect example they wanted to actors so a they wouldn't say stuff like jokes. They wouldn't be funny. Well, certainly in the case of airplane. They were trying to do straight up a straight up parody. And they thought comedians ruin it. Would chess joke a joke that I don't know what to their Sateras they used to call satirists at second city. I we we we'd make satire out of situations movies headlines. And you know, it's interesting that you say, oh, you're taking improv classes because I we had on Bruce stern who said he's always trying to be improved his performance and be a better actor. Yeah. So like it never stops with some people though. No, I have a company now even. Tell us about the Santa Monica to company. Of that is just keep astonishing me. Well, we're put on shows in they're wonderful, and and we will need few. But the newspapers really like us, and and I've got some stuff I wanna do and where we raise money than we get some money. And then we want to show like, and so we have some exciting stuff coming so good. That's it. We'll plug it again at the end because it's thank you back to the improv classes like so you at no point ever, like just take your shoes off sit back and go. Okay. I know what I'm doing. No, no. I I'm getting the feeling lately that I kind of know what I'm doing. And that's why I was courageous enough to start the theater and to direct actors, and I really like. I love teaching and I love directing actors to aim where I think they will be most comfortable and thrilling to watch. So I yeah, I could do that. I know how now that's really fun. But they still like part of you. That says I have to be better. Oh. Yeah. You relate Gilbert. I sucked beginning. And I. Yeah. No, it's no, it's no also was an interest in the subject. It's fun to do in and Aretha sills knows everything. Viola spol- ever did backwards of forwards. And so she's having do some games now that I never did as a child that. She must have done later. You know? So it's it's all very exciting. How'd you working with with second city, and all these people and froing out other names Bob dish? She Ted flicker. I don't know if you work if these were people that were in the company with you nessa, not not your friends. Valerie harper. Oh, yes. She's like, she's like, a she's my fairy godmother this woman. Now, she just she's amazing on a lovely person. I've gotten to three times up so glad she's lovely. I adore her. What how did you get from from trying to just do the chronology of this just a piece this together? Paul you working out regularly with second city now. And how does it start to turn into a professional acting career? Because I see you you turn up the TV show bewitched in the nineteen sixties. You turn up. Did you do a series with George C Scott call these side west side? I did remember that until this minute. How about how about starting to get acting work? Well, what happened was we went on the road? We just happy improvisers in Chicago. And then magazine start coming and reviewing and then. Brings to Los Angeles came as well, San Angeles. Then we were all signed by William Morris agency. And then we're all set out for jobs. So he started getting these odd jobs and then going back to the theatre at night and doing, you know, our show which is the ideal lifestyle for an actor, by the way to have a home base. And then go out, and you know, because you started turning up on interesting things Gilbert, your remember show called Mr. Broadway with Craig Stevens. Yeah. No Kasur wife. You are on. Com sort of V witched. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So you started. And this is this is sixty four sixty five sixty six you did the mad show in sixty six with JoAnne Worley, and then the land Laven and Liber Tanay. Yeah. And and and yeah, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So so you're turning into turning into a professional now. It's not just it's not just classes and workshops and now you're getting. You're on Broadway with match off Broadway. Yeah. The my first job was being Judy Garland's partner that was pretty professional. Okay. So I that that was the first job. But yeah, I see. Yeah. We're we're starting to get noticed and bass. Yeah. Yeah. Getting cut a hot. And and you worked with the great check Kilford. Yes, he played father. Yes. And. Blacklisted like zero was. It sounds funny to say a very sweet man, but he really was gentle and kind, and, you know, by that time they've been through some pretty rough times that that generation sure and his his wife was onset at she would knit and bring him lunch and he didn't chat, but it was not cold, but friendly. Yeah. I gotta talk about Paul sand in France and lovers, and I love I always loved at the title had your name above the name of the show. Paul sand in friends. And tell you it's it's a show that a lot of people have a fondness for frit. Fred Silverman asked Brooks and burns, m TM to create to create a vehicle for you. Because you had done you had done Mary Tyler Moore episode a memorable you played her. I R S agent which again, it's on YouTube, and it's charming, and and I could see what they saw on you, Paul. Yeah. But what was the question? Well, I was trying to figure out how that show came about. By the way, Steve Landsberg was also on that show Gilbert a favorite of ours ever. Never have. Early role for the penny Marshall. Yeah. Yeah. So they surrounded you with good people. Yeah. I did. I did the tax man on. Mary Tyler Moore show. Yeah. Can't forget the day of her show. And then we were doing the tag shooting tag at the end of the show. And she said, why don't you stay on the show and be a regular? And I I I'm on my way to Broadway. We're going to open his show, and she was like don't you wanna do series? Have a good part? I said, well, I can't just not show up. You're going to story theater. Yeah. Do store theater. So then what a way that for a long time and came back, and you got a a little place to live of in Malibu in a real junky, part Aballah, boo. And I was on the beach with all these my dog friends all all the dogs of the beach or by friends. Uh-huh. Anyway, we were all wet what after noon sitting there staring at the ocean and nurture Moore walks by and Jim Brooks while and I don't know the head of the world walked by like accidentally. Had said to you. You know? Ohio. How do you feel about doing TV show, and I was all worn out from doing Broadway for year? And I said, yeah. But I don't wanna be a doctor or a copra. I don't know. We'll call it you come and visit us and anyway, they came up with this concept of big musician in the Boston symphony. Yeah. Yeah. And. Do you have a brother? Yeah. So they put a brother in tried make me feel at home. I guess, and it was a weird experience that was that was cut out for it. You weren't cut out for a weekly series. Not that one. I see. Okay. I used to. That was that was a. That was that was a little difficult. I think Allan Allan burns was one of the creators of the show was interviewed about it later in life. And he admitted that they were over extended that they use big words like that all the time. You know? I don't know they didn't expect it to be bought. I think I say they didn't expect it to. And then there they were they they were writing on it at all. And they would tell the network that they were I had. People writing it and nothing made sense to be sure table readings. I didn't know what the script is about. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So what's wrong? No, nothing. So they felt like unprepared like it. They just felt it was an idea for show, and they were ready when it went on. I don't know what went on in their heads or in their conversations. But I kinda wanted to bring all the people that I've worked with with second city. To the set and be the writers. And right start all over again. People you're comfortable with. Yeah. I didn't know at the time like say, the, pardon the expression the power I had at the time. So I probably could've talked Grint tinker into bringing some of my people with me, you know, right? Right. Right. Right. Right. And what was Mary Tyler Moore liked to work with the word adorable. Just comes to me and. Real smart. A great survivor. I liked her. I liked her. She was I I could see why they said stick around because you guys, obviously, she was supposed to be playing a woman who was single who was struggling to to to to find a love life. I mean would have thrown the show the balance of the show off. But you two are were so charming together that I could understand what what they saw. Yeah. Yeah. Our listeners to find that episode, and you you're you're you're just charming in it. Oh, thank you. And quirky anybody ever tell you. I know I know Harpo Marx didn't speak, but did anybody ever tell you how to kind of Harpo Marx quality? Yeah. And performing Paul a. Yeah. But I I had I don't know. Oh, no. It's not that. It's I don't stop to think of it or. Okay. That's he's wonderful to watch. I remember watching him as a kid forever. Yeah. Play the harp. Suddenly become not funny and dead serious. Beautiful. There's a, you know, what I'm you know, what you see it Gobert child light quality in your in your performances at sometimes reminds me. But well that's of. Yeah. I'm flattered I met him to you. Yeah. What I was traveling with Marceau in America than he was invited everywhere would to be to STAN laurel. Wow about that. What was how wait I to drop a couple more names? So I had. Yeah. Salvador dali? Yeah. But yeah, some very fascinating people will Laura was living in Santa Monica forever there. Yes. Right. Ocean. Pay always talk about he had his name in the book. Who had whose name, Dan, Laura, while we had Dick Van Dyke, and Chuck McCann and a whole bunch of people. We had here on this show went and found stand in the phone book. Oh, I see what you mean. Yes. Yeah. How did you? How did you find him? And I mean that how did you win? Oh, how did I impress me? Yeah. I mean, how did you find the man to be as well as how did you find them? So interesting because it's oh, it's. These are all gentle people you're talking about. There was nobody nobody freaking out, you know, sissies or was a little taking out the these people you're mentioning were. They're gentle people talented. And yeah. Did you have much interaction with Harpo? I I was so pushy. I said he showed us to wig his wig. I said could I try it on while? And he puts it on. My head is nice and. That was aggressive of me. But it was I like the didn't seem to mind. No. He was nice about that. Yeah. Funny. How I was amazing with Harpo that he would go from funny and crazy till like totally serious and touching and the movies when they play the harp. Yeah. Yeah. Transport himself. Yeah. But tell us about sid Caesar. I he asks if you of us, I think from second city to be on a show, and then he told me to come to Las Vegas to see him in a show. A puts me at a table ringside right next to him practically, and I've been working for like five years with comedy people and. I didn't laugh. I didn't laugh at what he was doing. You know, what I had a so then afterwards he said you didn't laugh at anything. I did. I don't know how I got out of it. But it was it was not unhappy. But it was. Kind of person comfortable for me to be around. Anyway. Interesting interesting. Well, I love the show of shows. Sure. God. Sure. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Did you did you stay in touch with over the years with any of those second city people Paul it, you stay with Severn or or libertine or. Yep. Are we just lost? Yes. Yeah. Always. Yeah. Barbara moved to. Scottsdale. Arizona, and we talked on the phone a lot. And what a talent. Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. She had a rather short career all things considered intense, very, intense and. She she did a lot. She didn't wanna do a lot. So she would she would quit go home or so definitely her own person. You know, can we ask we throw a couple of other names that you before we let you go. We know you got stuff to do. Here's some here's some names you made a movie with Burgess Meredith one of Gilbert's favorites. Yeah. Called the Bank hoax. The great the great. The great the great bag the great Bank odes. Yeah. Yeah. That was nice, and Richard base heart, Richard base, heart, right? Who is an idol of mine is a kid about that. I mean with the kid I mean, like less Strada assure. Yeah. So. Yeah, that was that's what I was with CA. And they would just put you in the movies. You know, right. And you work with Jonathan winters in fever max and a small part. Yes. This is stunning. You got me John Astin here is also in that movie. We had a couple of weeks ago who John Astin? Oh, also in Viva max, Peter Ustinov Conforti. I I well there. Yeah. That's what Jonathan winters. He. He's another one. I heard couldn't really stick to a script. He would just go nutty. I didn't notice I I had the small part ever. I answered the a gate. I said what's the password? They weren't allowed to shoot inside of the Alamo or outside the Alamos inside the Alamo. So brought us all to Rome. And about the interior the Alamo, and that was a whole another adventure in Rome. Yeah. How about making the main event with with Barbara and John John Peters. Ryan O'Neal, which your fun in. Throwing you into another movie. That was I see him. I see that was around Paul. Well, as you get tired of you, you know, the phone I can relate faith. Yeah. Who you are. Judy Garland credible. Yeah. Yeah. You have to have to keep hustling or to say, yes. To the next person that offers you. But you like working with strikes? I did I did all she is to me is a perfectionist. What's so bad about that? But people seem to resent resent. It's very weird. I even she asked me to put a quote in your book, and I said your success in career remind me of what they did to the most beautiful and talented people in the ancient days. They would throw them down volcanoes cause they couldn't stand a look at them. So it was a feel that she had a lot of envy in jealousy coming her way. Interesting and she tried very hard to get it. Right. You can't knock that you know. He did cut my best scene out of a movie. Not that movie different moving don't do that. Well that movie. Yeah. Though, she and Robert Redford sort of cut me out of the best seen. God damning, do you do this? I found this is some fun stuff. I found doing research Paul the the back to the mad show. Did you know that the mad show had a softball team that played in central park? No. I I don't think anybody that was in the show was on the softball team. But there's a picture online. I'll send it to you of these ball players in the park, and they're all wearing Madge show logos on their baseball. Uniforms. Patty. Af ski Jason Robards Allan king. George C, Scott, Tom Wolfe and Woody Allen. Isn't that bizarro? Wow. I'm so impressed. You weren't invited to play. No. Yeah. And you worked with autho Godfrey. Do you have any memory of that he was in the Bank oaks? Oh. I don't remember. I isn't that weird. It's okay. He hated the Jews. According to. God. You. Yeah. I don't remember. Yeah. Yeah. What about this was this was a fun? But by the way, that Sondheim do some ghost writing on the mad show. Do you know about that? No, Stephen Sondheim. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He wrote. A couple of the boy from Benin bet. But the boy from it was called the boy from the Nima. Yeah. That Linda Lavin sang and Mary Rogers wrote the lyrics. That's right. That's yeah. I had the mad show album. I was too young to see the show. Yeah. They were very nice again, really. Pardon me, very comfortable, people hard workers look back at it. It's a sort of a precursor Ronin. Martin's Laffin in many ways. Yes, you're right. Yeah. Yeah. Joanne Worley was in the New York cast. I think Alan sues was in an LA version. He was awesome in the New York. Yeah. Another talented guy. Very yeah. We love we loved him. Tell us about Carol Burnett. You did some memorable? Carol Burnett shows and the sketches are by the way, all on YouTube with you playing the jealous dad one year on the honeymooners on the drive, and there's that solo piece is the how to win a friend. Yeah. She was the closest thing to the joy that I had working with second city. Oh, she was so. Open and loving and spontaneous. A wonderful performer. She was just great to work. It was like working with Barbara Harris her. It was like being in a company. I did feel like we're in some TV hit. Yeah. She was supportive of of other other performance. Would let us help you shine. Amazing. Did you work with Harvey Korman? No. I don't think he'd like me very much up in at feeling really. Yeah. Like, what's he doing here? I notice all your senior with Carol not the other players know although episode with Steve Lawrence Gilbert. Oh, so I think so like a gangster. I play mad dog. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. Paul tell us about the curb your enthusiasm episode, which you you brought up in the first thirty seconds and is so memorable. Yes. And possibly my favorite episode in the run at well. I can say anything on a podcast kit. The wild west, buddy. Yeah. Oh, I got a call to come in on dishing, then it is provided, but they give they gave you a little piece of paper that said, what was your a French chef with Terrell syndrome? You'll hate hey to salmon at so that they give everybody else. A little piece of paper you owner restaurant. You're trying to find a chef to hire etcetera etcetera. So. We started providing for Schiff took these my I like this salmon, and I'm going to go now. Go fuck yourself. Fuck are. Room. Got to my car, and I went home, then my phone rings and says Where'd you go? And as well, I don't know I just left, and they said we'll come back, and let's do the show let's do it together. And so we were shooting it. And there was this wonderful dutiful girl in brays and short short Levi's, and she's pulling cables around and and I said, hey, I need some like really dirty words fast. Gilbert. And she she she says Cox other mother for as whole fuck handle. So then I had to that. I said it right on on the air. Did it? It's great. I was part of the dialogue through it'd. It's great. She gave to me. Yeah. That's wonderful. I needed them. But she seemed like the right person to ask that, that's that's considered a classic persona. Classic moment. It was affected was the season. Finale. Yeah. So I think it was it was it was good. I had a great time. And it's fun that when you look at that group of people that there are there are a couple of ex compass people in the scene with you as Paul Dooley. Yes. Playing Ari's father in law and was bourbons in there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of people Michael York. Michael york. That's right. He's the restaurant. He's the partner. Yeah. We were sitting out in the sun. And he was having a cigarette. I think and we were sitting on a curb next to each other. And I said to him what did it feel like having the whole world went to go to bed with you. And he said they did. Wow. Are they where are they now? Great. And what did, you know, Shelley Berman wouldn't know no minimum once said think. I just got a I got a question from a listener for you Paul from Lesley Friedman. She's a fan and she wants to know did you do any studying or training to play rabbi pylon sqi on Joan of Arcadia? No studying just new. I'm an actor. I pretended. No, no, no studying. But yeah. Gilbert, the scripts were good scripts were good Gilbert, and I dug up something last night, another Curio U N. Dean Jones playing the brothers Grimm in a variety special fairy eq- incredible. Everybody's in that with you. Yeah. Teri garr. Are hardy Johnson Ruth buzzy. Who else kill Cleveland little? Eighty mcclurg everybody. Yeah. What are your about making that? And you're singing and your dancing and see. I know I know. I remember he and I would ride around carriages all the time. Yup. We shoot all night. I remember that and member Teri Garr. Everybody was sleepy all the time because no one slept. I can't tell you that. I remember a whole lot about it. But the the guy that choreograph that is Paul Godkin, and he was in my life earlier. He did that Judy Garland thing. There you go. Then I go, and then I or some money before it went to France being on a television show that he choreographed so he was. Yeah. It was it was seeing bumping into the safe people. It's really nice. I think it's great that Paul sand has to run off to do an improv because it's it's it's perfectly fitting. But before we let you out do you care to comment on either. Holy Moses or can't stop the music, and we'll understand if you want to take the headphones off and just walk. Holy Moses was like the best. I had I had never had really a lot of experience in the movies. But that was the best time that the director does, you know, who the director Gary weis would come from Saturday Night Live, so brilliant. He would I played a an angel a sex addict. Yup angel of alcoholic, and and I had I don't ever had a loggers something sitting on Iraq talking about how tough life was or being an angel. And he got he laid down underneath a camera. And so his head was right underneath the lens. And he laughed so hard so silently, and it was so encouraging that there was just no stopping you know, what I mean, he was so encouraging and so. So loving to us. That was wonderful and then good people in that movie. Richard Pryor, obviously. Yeah. W more. Yeah. And then music you were playing basically a record executive abosorb playing Arlt, Stephen an agent. Okay. But I was sort of Alan Carr said use Arnold see full as a role model for you. So. Yeah. That was. Yeah. That was one of the things were I said, unlike the dialogue, can I change your dialogue, and and they say, yeah. And I said I have a writer as she could help me, she writes movies, and he said, well, I can't give her any money, but I can give her a fur coat or a new car. Which would you what a wonderful smart kind of manage woman. And she's I don't wanna for coach. And so she needed a new car and got her a that was. Yeah. So that was that's a that's a wild movie. It's insane. Yeah. I mean, a a real golden Turkey. But there's there's there's some fun things in it. A sooner remember. Yeah. I remember the low. Yeah. They put us up at the plaza hotel. Nancy everyone had rented. Yeah. Yeah. Did you have fun making it at least? I can't say, no. Last question. Did you do you? Remember anything about working with George Carlin and Blake Edwards? No did. I. In a pilot called just in case. Oh, I did. I yes. How do you like that? I remember doing the pilot didn't stick with you. No interesting in an actress career that you you have so many so many gen you know, it's work. It's just another job. It is weird. Sometimes if I look at I am db. I don't think I did some of these things such with Valerie still yes how she do. Her husband, by the way, Richard shawl, another funny guy. Yes. Her exhusband ex husband. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She's remarried to wonderful, Tony, and they live in Santa Monica. We talk on the phone once in a while. It's very nice. We should have her on this. Pardon me. I said Gilbert, I should have her on this show. Valerie, she's a great talker. And she's done everything. She oh, do she's got a lot of say. And she's extr- amazing. She helped me so much. Yeah. Certain moments. Yeah. Yeah. So tell us about the Santa Monica theater. I know you did a Kurt vile piece not long ago. Yes. And it's still going strong. The then is still have has his heart. And we're still I'm finishing writing play. Okay. And we want to do that. And I wanted to other. There's other player wanted to have a I don't have a company, but I have some favorite actors. There's a very the shea star. She's brilliant. So Mason is he's a great actor. Australia's there's ice favorite ones. And we'll just keep working together. So we'll to learn our hell a peeps to come. See you. Yes. And and the name of the space again is the Santa the public theater. Yeah. We need to raise a lot of money. So you can tell people. Absolutely, you you you were born there in Santa Monica lived above the the the carousel at one point. And you're still there. I don't live there live up down the beach, but still, but you're still you're you're where your started something about that. Yeah. I learned how to walk on the pier. Yeah. As a baby. That's great. We write a book, Paul. We we write a memoir until a funny should mention that. I'm taking writing a memoir writing class and this. Interesting woman. Joel Robinson Jill Sherri Robinson. She's the daughter of Dorje, Sherry or Sherri. Sure. Yes. As she's encouraging me to write my memoirs. So I am doing that. I think you should. Yeah. I think there's sort of. Yeah. I am more or less. What was an evening with Paul San which you did last year? Was it just you telling stories and high we in Arkansas, how do you know about that? It's on the web. No is a call a university thing ever friend who taught film. Yeah. In that university. And would I come and talk is that the kind of thing that maybe you would tour with develop it, and and you know, what through Renton country member was Spalding, gray. He's used to read it. I can I have fun reading my memoir stories. So that might be interesting. You know? But anyway, there's you. You have stories to tell. We appreciate you coming and doing this and. I'm sorry. I was gonna say schlepping all the way from Santa Monica Hollywood to and you sat in traffic for a long time. And we appreciate that. But class is not very far away. So we're going to class now and Gilbert's go into comedy class right after this, right? Love you every time. I see you. I love watching you. I'll thank you. Yeah. I was your when people were you just stop and watch. Yeah. Yeah. We don't take you casually. Thank you. That's a nice compliment. Wow. Truth is truth. He does command. Attention doesn't. He. It's wonderful. Yeah. Anyhow, most distinct voices in all of show business. That's true. But we can sort of see you thinking, and it's wonderful to what you think. Yeah. Right now, you're thinking wonderful. Ever this way you ever New York? No. But I wanted to my show in writing on Broadway. Let us know. And we'll take you to lunch. Okay. Well, if you're here is coming then. Drop. Gilbert's wishing you would start at the show with a compliment. What I said Gilbert's, wishing you started the show by complimenting him. But he'll take it here. And and think that going back that flesh back of me and my sisters when we were kids watching them film, the hot rock and then hearing one devote compliment from you. Oh well. Yeah. We could go on and on. But it's really been a real pleasure meeting to view. Thanks for doing this. We'll tell our listeners to to rent the hot rock or watch the hot rock if they have anything to plug the plug anybody that. Yes. Yes. Yes. Support support the theater will put it up on social media. And we'll let you know when this goes up on the internet bull. Great. Thanks so much you guys. Thank you. In Gilbert Godfrey to mazing colossal podcast with my co host Frank Santo Padre. And we've been talking to the great poll sand. Thank you very much. Get by. Why? A world. Fram. If we have to read. Anyone stance? Is on. Time. On trend. It's a world world world world. And the hand bread say we won't get into anyone. Just you sing it. But we won't. Get into anyone's. That's what I taught. While the. My mother. 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