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Preakness Stakes special: Interview with Kate Tweedy
"This do podcast is brought to you by Blake. Lbj Thoroughbred Services Blake. Delvina is a full service. Bloodstock agency and consignment company representing clients at every major wholesale in the country. For MORE INFORMATION CALL RUN. Blake at eight five nine three nine six four eight three six or Hensley Albena at eight five nine six to one zero eight zero zero whether an experienced owner or newcomer to the Game Blake. Albina has the knowledge and experience to help you achieve your goals in the third grade industry. The horse right hit the name is Paul Revere. And here's a guy that says foam is clear. This is built on cliff. I want to welcome you back to this special. What should have been preakness week edition of the Candu horseracing? Podcast the podcast about all things horse racing some history some handicapping and some humor the genesis of our two interviews. This week goes back to a visit. I made to claiborne farm. In April of two thousand sixteen we were waiting outside the farm office for the tour to begin located nearby the office where the graves of some of the famous horses. Who made their marks on the track in the breeding shed at claiborne? Pick your area. You'll find a favorite Gallon Fox as Rula Roundtable Mr prospector and many others. But it was too side-by-side grapes that caught my attention more than any others on the right secretariat on the left Riva Ridge. I remember thinking that were it. Not for sloppy track in the preakness. These guys would have held remains a back to back triple crown winners for the breeder owner trainer jockey the entire team remarkable and. I remember thinking how sad it was that but for that rainy track and Baltimore That Day River Ridge might be the most celebrated horse of his generation instead perhaps due to unfortunate weather almost certainly do a secretary at smashing performances in the triple crown series. The following Year River Ridge has been somewhat dare. I say forgotten overshadowed at the very least and that's a shame what I find so enjoyable when I do. These history focused podcast is how many fascinating threats come out as I begin to pull on them K. Tweedy pennies daughter was gracious enough to spend time with me talking about Rear Ridge. We talked about the horse. Of course. Pardon the rhyming there but we also ended up talking about a hellacious forgotten battle of World War Two the birth of the recreational skiing industry in the United States. How some biographical movies out of Hollywood can get some very essential things wrong about people. How patients true teamwork can provide the correct answer to the question. Do you want a champ are claimer and sometimes horse? We try to teach teach us some things too. I really enjoyed this discussion with Kate. Tweedy and I'm so grateful for her willingness to bring river her mom Lucien Laurin Elizabeth Ham and those times back to such vivid life. Thank you kate. I really appreciate you making time for me. I don't know I know I mentioned to Leon. I don't know if I mentioned to you but you know I was visiting claiborne farm a few years ago and waiting waiting outside waiting for the tour to start and this you know you're more with it. I'm sure there's little graveyard offices. And looking at these headstones I see River Ridge and secretariat side by side. And it hit me that you know. We're not for sloppy track in the preakness. We're looking back to back. Triple Crown winners for your mother. Able Lucien Laurin right. Yeah and you know it. It was and still am and always will be a huge secretary of fan but you know re was remarkable horse really two three and four but you know understandably. I guess but sadly been overshadowed by the horse whose name. Maybe we won't mention again. Yeah it's it's interesting. How just that you know that? One year following his and all of a sudden he's Kinda backstage or offstage a little bit right. Take well interesting. I don't know In your reading you The Mama was felt bad about Nathan because he was so talented and one secretary came along the Senate took their you know sort of give him support team needed the good. You know I mean. They made some bad choices about him I did. She felt that there was He works with Cirque well and it was because there was so preoccupied you know with with other recent. Certainly I mean no one. You know. It's like yeah place. It sure but she felt like he he had they not taking him to California and had they not You know shouldn't have been pushing. They should've let him rest and he would have had a much better four-year-old well three year old year You know and and would have had a better reputation as a whole you know. I mean I love the comment. Look to read it but Bill Mack. Said you know. He's talking about the Well cut and how it's said from the you know that's what century wanted but the you know something about how we came in second and how was to know and it's like it's it's really great to have you said the best source of his here or. I should look that up. It's in. It's in the documentary read but Just to keep up the great horse and then he's not as well Remember you mentioned the cup. And really kind of like Sham and and secretary Easterby Riva broke the track record as well in the Marlboro Cup. I mean don't check a track record. Also which is pretty pretty remarkable Pretty remarkable things. I love about doing this. I think I mentioned you. I'm a I'm a history buff and I love to dig into the history of the sport and when I do. I often find a lot of things that I hadn't even expected to encounter and Riva was one of the first horses. I remember as a young man really kind. Get my attention and you know it's a it's an alliterative name. It kind of rolls off the tongue river. But you know when you start digging into the name you know this the ski run unveil that. Your Dad helped develop. It's a huge story behind the name. Riva Ridge right true. It's true and it's a wonderful story and and I people know it but You know it's funny. We we used to sit around. The family and mom failed cable. We have this new full here just the mother and the side. Damn now we need the man and we'd all sit around and kind of talk that names and sometimes you know and when we were teenagers. Right now You know sometimes it was like no. We're not do that. And then and then other times it was like. Oh that's great and so I. I just remember sitting around looking at the table kitchen table and somebody said and she went. Oh that's a great name and of course you know. We have had a lot of cleaning truck family. Not just because that was our favorite rented but also that he actually now he did not serve in the battle of leverage but he trained with the Tenth Mountain Division Corrected Division trained to them in Colorado and was there they were unfortunately it was looked like they weren't gonna Sir because they they were trailing so long and he just got frustrated and said okay. I'm GonNa you know I'm GonNa join some other 'cause we're never going to see action. And so the came true. And we're we're recruiting and he went and I guess probably a friend of his was also when okay so just about the time Committed and then the sensitive issue was called up and then we go to Italy and there's something very brutal action though in some ways. Yeah we're really glad and and Taught me so fascinating is that all guys came back to Colorado after the war. And they were buddy and they all together and they all together and of course. They're the ones who who really founded with three. There had been some historic You know African had been a mining town in certain other places have been around for a long time but the scheme the streets we know. Now that's really developed by the division in the you know in the sixties that yeah yeah really responsible for the growth of Ski Recreational Sport in this in this country that you know They had a great scares buddies and they had this vision. You know this sort of oxygen vision about the future and so very cool story of that. Derby winner. And you know of course that really I don't know I just remember when when when we win the Derby with mom article in Rocky not move which said then housewife wins and and and of course look this like Denver housewife and got an MBA Columbia University. Right whose father has been breeding great horses well headline away characters in the night. Yes right so there you go and of course that made destroy that. She was just a Denver housewife. Now that's what I thought was great. That of course. Well you mentioned it was interesting you mentioned. I hadn't even thought of this but I had done a little bit of research and and you know thank God. Dad wasn't involved in the in the battle that tenth amount was at Riva Ridge because Encourage anyone who's listening to this. Who's a history buff to go? Take a look at some pictures of Riva Ridge and you're looking at fifteen hundred two thousand feet sheer cliffs that these guys climbed and the reason why they were successful in that battle is because the Germans never expected that they would come from that direction. And and really like twenty five percent of them were killed or wounded in that in that battle horrifying thing and they were so brave and they were. Yeah I I don't know how it was that they they must have just said okay. We're going to do this at whatever. Cost Yeah Yeah if. They came out alive a lot of antenna without legs or various other. Let's talk a little bit. You know secretary and now we're GONNA mentioned the secretary of big red. The Beautiful Chestnut Horse Riva was really kind of the opposite of the striking horse as a youngster. Particularly I guess right you know he was he was also a little bit but like Trick and he won in Kentucky Unlike Secretariat Ship Tom Pretty quickly with his mom. And you know the scholars You know which meant that he he he wasn't he wasn't eating well a fever. And you know some trouble but he furniture Howard Gentry Fattened up and you know took the cabin took especially under his wing and pretty soon he was he was doing much better and But he grew up tall and skinny little gangly. He wasn't the big beautiful horse. That of course his stablemate was flop eared by any uncle but just an impasse and he was no great shakes to be as fatal investigate. I guess always right to be compared to Secretariat. Unfortunately backhoe follow active but But yeah he he and he he was he was fast. I don't know probably Ron talk about how he was fast timid and how it is an interesting story because it you don't scores. How intuitive run was and also An -lution And by listening to run and The whole team really working together. Jim Gaffney and and Charlie crist because you know Noticed that ran away from other horses. He he likes to be fun but it wasn't because because we WANNA win which is more like secretary it was it was like he wanted to get away from the other courses and so run thought well. This country really talented. He's got a lot of speed but he needs to be a little more comfortable running the side horses and through them and so he he asked me should for mark to take him out of training and work with him and so he he worked them. He worked with In by having courses come up alongside having questions behind questions ahead and that requires the cooperation of you. Know a Jimmy Gaffney and the whole program and it's sort of been down it got more comfortable and then from then on he was you know he can speed through which is really great. Well Eh. This is jumping ahead a little bit but I was struck when I read. Dance Story 'cause I had watched just a little bit earlier His his Belmont which was actually in many ways kind of remarkably similar to in some ways remarkably similar to secretariats in that they went very fast. He was being was pressed by two other horses to his outside. And you think about this was a horse who is timid and afraid of the horses to be pressed right on the rail like that and you haven't pulled away and won by open links. Didn't win by thirty one but one by convinced seven. That's pretty remarkable piece of insight by Ronnie to say he needs this because I think what Romney said. Yeah you can have a camper. Claimer was when he said Lucien Right. That's great place. Yeah exactly and and because he he clearly had the speed and the end with desire. I mean you know it takes more than just ability for picks you know sort of a desire to women so I think. That's you know wanting runny very experienced a lot of great horses. You know. Really he's had. This is the best choice I've ever ridden in that fan lot. At that time I think even the day the Derby wanted to make a change right. That Lucien was a little bit hesitant about but he trusted Ronnie to breakers. Yeah that what you mean. Yeah yeah well you know in both cases for well together runny and Lucien You know they they. Both were very intuitive about their versus. They knew their horses. And the way we communicate in such a way as say oh you know. I think we can do better. I think this is going to help and the team. I really great game and that that really that was great for the press so you mentioned a couple of times and I have to ask and I know I asked you about this note over by email. Last night I watched. The many people have watched the movie and quite frankly. Lucian comes across play by John. Malkovich almost cartoonish kind of character. Right yeah so I have to ask you what was what was the real was. He really liked that if he was he was okay so absolutely not and that was the thing about the movie. I regretted the most. And I think we're on to. It's not fair to portray mission like that and he definitely wasn't like that he was He was he comedian. He's firing you know strong opinions about things but he was Not was goofy. This was like when it came to horses and I don't think he you know the other thing that really drove me crazy about the movie. It's where they have him. You know news you know. Just before the burnings bad press notices that he'd came around with him in a in a barn importance and hey and lots away from the plane that you know anybody knows what choices to put cringe horribly but But anyway no with not like that never would have done it. I don't know what golf with like He's did where you didn't have some sort of funny looking close but so that everyone. Everybody had terrible. I mean those fashions were awful in the seventy That wasn't unique to him. The other person who wasn't at all like choose fraternise Elizabeth hands. She's yeah she was far more dignified and refer. She was not holyoke graduate and very great writer. New Courses Loved loved the business but she's pretty formal. I don't think she ever walked into a kmart and their entire life. Aren't done Kate Right. Well you know who knows? I don't really know she she was. She was married professional informal. She wasn't down home fun character that we talked about. Lucien team and in your mother you know two and obviously Eddie Sweat. And all the People Elizabeth him around the horse and around the stable So he you know he. They make these adjustments. The horse training and the blinker is all these different things. He wins the Derby. Now we come up to the preakness and unfortunately the wet track. Which had been his undoing before at highly. I I Comes UP THAT DAY. Right and he just he he was one of those horses never liked a wet surface. I think correct. Well Ron explains it to me. One and I thought very interesting. Yeah Well I mean we've had smaller homes. He had he had sort of little delicately deep chest and waist You know it's not a small horse by any means but Somebody got so much wrong. Who said he he looks like a deer ran like he shortage delicate I and he just couldn't get purchase. A good solid purchase and when secretary had big powerful lakes and big airports and he could just pound through anything. But you know it slide around the nervous so he wouldn't give all but he was so I think that and I don't know how many other horses have that problem. But that was particularly things. Oh No that they're they're out there you can look at past performances over on the West and then you'll see went four four wins three seconds. You know some handle it and I think a lot of it has to do with their frame and how much they can power three or not or skip over it in some cases I guess you know. Get over it. Yeah and I think it was interesting. said that and You know just just the way the body was built in. Yeah wouldn't that have been amazing? You know to triple Christmas You know Of course leading into the Belmont which we already talked about. I'm jumping around a little bit here. But then to know me I mean that could lead to a little bit of doubt about him coming into the Belmont but he quite all the doubters I think with that performance and completely yeah into take much for people to go he. He's for Real Yeah he's real deal and You know but but the other thing was after You know after the Belmont and then he went to California anyone's but then never really want again for the rest of that year a three hundred year or he it was like mom says he lost all respect. Everybody Kinda went okay. Then let's talk about this other big beautiful horse and and really bad for him because she knew what a great host he was and and how much he deserved you know to be respected fired And yet you know you know. Strapping younger comes along and steals the gun. Then and of course then when he loses that the course of the year honors after winning thirty and the bell. Yeah so he was not three year. Old of the key to them ended up being three year old champion. His younger stablemate go ahead. Of course all of that is like what I'm GonNa Happen. I wouldn't you know I wouldn't argue with the decisions but it it was just a shame and of course reader with also knocked ham. That secretary was secretary when people kinder- stable to visit him. You Know Secretariat with you. Know would get all the attention. And and of course. All persons like attention You know he's been sort of you know pose and you know he wasn't the glamour boy and And I think mom sat about that too because you know. If you haven't had secretaries he would have been started stable. He saved the farm to. Let's face it right absolutely. Yeah you know one of the things in you. Do you want me to talk about that. And do you think yeah? No no no please no please go. Well you know mom had She ran stable but she went on behalf of the board of Directors of metal on Metal Stud and that was basically Elizabeth him her brother and sister and and a few other folks and the they really. My aunt and uncle just really thought you know Granddad. Seen is not aware of course The haven't been making many for a while. The farmers should have been declined to Granddad. Let's you know took it been neglecting And so they're saying we'll sell it and put the money in the stock market and you know mom and sister that they keep it going you know and she said no you know this was his dream. He's still alive. We don't actually have the right to sell it out from under and then and so they should have said okay. But you know we're not going to allow this to go on forever. You want to try for a while. You know to keep this thing going go ahead. You're there has sort of had on the show and she'd had a few months of successes. But you know it was seventy and She'd been at for Several years and we were saying okay. We're done and she's going more just one more year. I had this this good. You know good feeling about religion so they finally said okay We'll let you hang on a little bit longer. Then so then starts winning and seventy one and that changed everything all of a sudden they go all right You could try it for a little bit long. So you know if that hadn't happened if we hadn't come along and and made the levers of the rest of the board members you would've told US secretary would probably still have been born because well was born by seventy but But you know without that team that I was talking about nutrition and run and and Eddie and Shimmy and and mom you know the whole them they were the no secretary would have been. Dorsey was I mean. I think you know We're Kalat that goes into a champion and even as much power. The secretariat had. You just don't know So who knows what he would have been. But we certainly wouldn't have had him so that would have been mad. You certainly first of all. That's a big bet that your mother had to make their which. I'm sure it was not done without a lot. As you cited a lot of a lot of pressure from family and the board and so you begin to understand why she felt such a special bond with Riva and one of the things that I read. It was really interesting to me. Was that you know. Secretary of course was that was a ham and over time. I think he had so many visitors. He just put on the same act probably for everybody but I want to confirm this Riva always knew when your mother was visiting would always come over to see her right. That's always yeah absolutely and and so on so many visitors and it's like you can always tell he was responding to you but we but yeah absolutely and a couple of things about we've been She she allowed her. The SORTA cut our teeth and make mistakes and learn. And and so that when Secretary Kim along she was ready. Because there's so much pressure for example that the Derby And but she didn't throw at so she knew how to do it and then she also had earned respect among her fellow owners. So you know. She had a lot more courage in making those decisions but she had to and And so she always should love because it's almost like they grew up together and he he. He convinced her sister that you know that she was. She knew what she was doing. They should keep trying so you know they're they're still palace in that way on the way that she didn't really feel the Yeah so so fine with him. Great identity with thought about the fact that he took her through that learning curve that prepared her for the next year right which was. Yeah wow well talk about the about I Dunno member the allegations that getting drugs. You go ahead with that. Yeah Yeah Yeah I did know this by the way. I was not aware that so this is an interesting story. Go ahead interesting story Partly because with another element of MOM getting You know cutting hertie learning how to You know because she she felt like he had been at then drugs and she She took him Well she commit allegations in the press and and remove him from the track. And I'm I'm sorry to Monmouth. Remember the name of the four name of the race but so So she she took him back to them on and they just and got roundly criticized by the leadership of Jockey doing let because she didn't quite understand it but she's done break the chain of evidence that they couldn't actually Test him on site and and so she said undermined her l. but fail said took her or the leadership. Said you know you. Own intrigued by coming up to half Have prepared you know doing making allegations but not being able to back them up with evidence. And so that was a than she was. Okay all right And so you know it's better to have that happen early on then later when you're in the national spotlight and feel that have been drugs and I don't think that was that unusual in this case. But they couldn't prove it Improvement because of the blocks of time between You know when when the Kurt and since and But it also made her really appreciate it you know. He he yeah. He achieved against a lot of Oz out. You know he get a lot of heart you know as I said When I was that claiborne that day and I was looking at the headstone. Day really struck me. How he's been relegated to second place you know Just kind of off the stage they are and it really made me sad just looking down at them because I remembered what a remarkable Orsi was watching that The Derby and the Belmont and those beautiful silks by the way just Just classic check. I think that going back in the day and and it's really nice to like I said I love the history of the sport and I like to bring back some of these names that we tend to forget about sometimes and I appreciate it because most people don't want to talk about I mean they they like me you know they really wanted to talk about the of course. That's not. Yeah that's right. Let's let's Riva. Did have a remarkable for your old year. We won the up here in Massachusetts when the Brooklyn when I mean he he. He showed his stuff that he was he was made of. He came made a comeback after drugging incident which was great. Well he did and also I think Given more was like having seen mistakes sued within the call of the three they were much more careful and selective and also I think we should pay more attention and training. So that he was reading the relations they put him in and and you know just came back stronger than ever and often four year olds have more More ability mortality. Understand what they're doing. And if we could have seen what secretary that would have been really special and and I'm really glad we would get the chance to redeem himself as a on because she'd say means great tomorrow we'll have an interview with Leeann Laden. Who until recently was the secretary of Tourism Manager? What is now called Middle Event? Park almost literally. Just a stone's throw off of interesting. Ninety five Leeann has authored with Cape tweedy books about Secretariat and the famous Metal Stud. You'll learn as I did that. What by all appearances was a blue blooded operation that have been handed down from generation to generation was anything. But and how the grit and determination of boy who grew up in dire poverty. Be at a man who left his mark on horse racing. Many many ways. Thanks for listening. We'll look forward to you joining us again tomorrow. In the meantime of course may the worst be with you.
Battle of Cajamarca - Nov. 16, 1532
"Hello. I'm Anna REEs, and I'm Laurin Vogel bomb, and our show foodstuff all about these islands history and culture food entering is relaunching as saver re along with our super producer Dilling Fagin are hitting the road to find the stories behind all the things we like to eat and drink. We will be talking to the culinary creators and eaters of the world to get to the bottom of why we like what we like. And how we can find more of those things on our first trip. We went to Asheville North Carolina a city that pulled itself out of a seventy year, economic depression with beer and food. New episodes will be coming out Wednesday and Friday on apple podcasts. Welcome to this day in history class from how stuff works dot com. And from the desk of stuff you missed in history class. It's the show where we explore the past one day at a time with a quick look at what happened today in history. Hello and welcome to the podcast, I'm Tracy v Wilson. And it's November sixteenth, but battle of Kabul Markelle took place on this day in fifteen thirty two and it's also described as a massacre. This was committed by Francisco Pizarro and his men against the Inca people of what's now, Peru when this happened the Inca empire had just been through an enormous epidemic and a civil war and the epidemic could actually sparked the civil war emperor. Wanna Capac both of his governors and multiple other important leaders had died in this epidemic. And then why not Capac named one of his sons as his successor? But that's son died in epidemic himself before you could even be notified of the decision. And then his father died also before news got back to him about the death of his son. This interrupted the imperial line of succession, and nineteen year old husker went to war against his half-brother out a wealth of both of them being sons of the previous emperor, the resulting civil war went on for four years without a wellpoint ultimately winning this war had just ended. When Francisco Pizarro arrived on the coast of what's now, Peru. He was following the example of her non Cortez's conquest of the Aztec empire. He was planning to take a small force inland and capture outta Wolpe. Hugh Inc of you'd as a divine ruler. That was actually what Cortez had done with the Aztec emperor Moctezuma the second Moctezuma was killed when this happened. Although it's not clear exactly how or by whom Perot and his force of just one hundred sixty eight men took a treacherous mountain road from the coast inland to Markelle, which is where auto Alpa was in camped. The city itself was almost empty with Ottawa's force of between forty thousand and eighty thousand men not far away. Once they got into the city Perot concealed his men in buildings that were arranged around Marcus central square, and then they invited out while but to have a meeting with them the night before this meeting Ottawa Alpa had held a ceremonial dinner. To celebrate his victory over his half. Brother, and this dinner went on late into the night in involved, lots of intoxicating beverages. So when he entered marker the next day he was carried on a litter with about seven thousand retainers, and they weren't necessarily at their best. Most of them were also unarmed because they were not coming there with a fighting force or with any idea of having any kind of battle at Wolpe was a divine emperor. He expected to be treated that way. By this visitor to his empire inside the city out of wealth. But was greeted. By a fryer. You talked to him about Christianity and also delivered a Spanish document that was called the requirement. The requirement was meant to inform indigenous peoples that Spain had given its representatives the moral religious and legal rights conquest. Of course, the requirement was often delivered in Spanish, and that was often the language that the people they were talking to did not speak. There was though an interpreter in Markelle that day. During this exchange with the friar the friar had a bible and sources really differ about what happened, but they all end up with the bible on the ground either having been knocked down or thrown or dropped. And when that happened Pizarro's men burst out from hiding, and they massacred nearly all Abbas retinue and they took him prisoner because ours foresaw almost no casualties in this. Well, Ottawa Alba's force being mostly unarmed were just massacred outta Wolpe was designed as prisoner until July twenty six fifteen fifty three when he was put on trial after there were allegations that he was mounting an attack force. He was executed. Pizarro attempted to use the emperor's that followed a Welte as Pepe DHS, although one of them named Manco Inca ultimately rebelled against Spain and established a completely separate Inca capital two. Buck Amari is considered to be the last Inca emperor. And he was executed on September twenty four th fifteen seventy two less than twenty years after out of wealth is executing. You can learn more about this in the April fourth twenty eighteen episode of Steffi missed in history class called hallmark and the end of the Inca empire. Thanks to Casey, Peter. I'm in Chandler maze. For their audio work on his show. You can subscribe to this day in history class on apple podcasts, Google podcasts. And wherever else you get your podcast, and you can tune in tomorrow for a murderous castle. I'm Katie golden. I studied psychology and biology at Harvard, and I pretend to be a bird on Twitter in my new podcast creature feature. 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The Meghan & Harry Interview & 5 Super Easy Weeknight Dinners!
"Guys welcome to the voice. This is lauren and sarah with episode. One oh eight okay laurin. Did your toddlers ever go through a stage where they just want to constantly change their clothes. Yes and no not really no. I know what you're saying. Oh my gosh. Luke is an a stage where i think he legit changes his clothes like twelve times. A day really is on student and driving me crazy. And he's a boy. Yeah which is so funny. I feel like it's definitely girl thing to like. Do the different things right it. So funny that. He's he's intrigued. In his t shirt and the array of t shirts bottoms two biggest down. You know i need annoying. Okay and then. I have another thing i have to tell you. Yes i started to show last night. Oh i'd actually start to actually this week. Okay let's see if it's the same way my gosh. What if no. It's not but okay the morning show on apple plus i don't have all it's for free you can watch it for free. I'm apple plus whatever app. Janitors aunt jen aniston and res. Free gorell it is so good so good. She won her golden globe for that. Last gen aniston yeah. It hasn't been that long. Yeah it has member. Brad and jen at the golden globes. Everyone was dying over. It was four. Yeah for the morning show that yes nowadays. Really good okay. Is reese the same character. She is in every single. She's a saucy southern. Go well there you go you always. I love reese witherspoon. Probably the most. I k- jennifer aniston fan agai. There sent steve carell will. I will love forever. I don't know tell me if you've heard this but is it based on matt lauer's life is it. You know this. I know i do not know only one episode in and fair warning there is language in the show thus far. But it's like about the metoo movement and him getting fired in the premier the first episode about sex allegations and harassment. And i'm like wait a minute. Wait a minute matt. lauer flashback. Yes what that triggers me. Because i know now. I have a like a secret love affair for matt. Maybe i was. I was under his spell like many women. Don't get fat. What you like about hitting. I loved matt lauer. I just thought. I liked his approach. I thought his voice. He seems very charming. It wasn't like he was like ooh babe or anything. I just loved watching my news that lower i did and then my katie couric came an an yes came. I forget her last name and then savannah guthrie came amount was always there and i just really always like matt and so when he like as anyone else you somewhat look up to. Her enjoy has to fall from grace and disappoint you. Greatly or not to be horned on a perv. I was so sad by. Oh my gosh. But it's crazy the parallels it's the exact storyline. Whoa it's crazy okay. i'll have to check it out. I don't know i mean again. I've only watched one episode. But i'm taking it so far so the one i turned on this week i started it's on net flicks and it's called turn. Oh never heard of it. And it is about the american revolution and spies and this and just kind of talking about the british in george washington just got introduced and technically you know. They're kind of the americans. They probably wouldn't even call that yet. But you know the colonists trying to fight back to britain and how some towns did comply to the brits like they were just. They'd like let them stay in their homes the the red coats and all these things and then there were like the rebels and the people the americans that didn't want to. They ran away from britain for this reason they wanted freedom. They didn't want to be under king. So this one man. He's all boys rally twenty-five he's married but his father's like very influenced with the red coats in the town and he becomes a spy and like trance. Am getting transferred information and things and it's starting to get a little sketchy and obviously super dangerous. And oh man. what are you. Find the rough though. It just popped up on my screen. It's an amc show. I think there's three seasons. And i think that's it and so we turned it on and i do find that i like i said a million times. I love a good period piece at different eras especially like seventeen hundreds out such interesting time and i don't know i just turned it on and pulled us in. I was like okay. So i'm about like five or six episodes and it was on. Amc so like our episode last week. Talking about ratings it's a little cleaner definitely. No language is definitely a little cleaner. There's a little bit of violence. I've being that timeframe but Yeah it's interesting. Turn turn anybody you know in the main guys jamie bell you member jamie bell. You probably recognize them if you saw. He's kind of like a be less actor. But i do know who he is and A few no no no big names. Okay but first. We want to share with you a special new feature on our website. The mom voice dot com. If you've been looking for a way to support the podcast go to the page shop. The show and check out. Our sponsors are all our favorite products. This is a great way for us to share with you and easy access for all the links and discount codes. Thanks for tuning in while speaking of tv and the british yeah bombshell news came out this week. Another american running from the brits right razi. i didn't even play back guys man so good. Yeah we're talking about the meghan. Markle and prince harry interview with oprah. That came out this week i will. Let's start there. Why is megan's named i. We're talking about the prince. Come on i know. Wise megan's name very i. I know i thought that too. Why is that now is running the show. That's why live to really running the show. All of it okay. In case you've been under a rock. Tell everybody what this was. I just heard that. Twelve million people viewed iran. Eight nine. Just know oh my gosh so it. Well that's crazy. Yeah oprah sat down with meghan. Markle and prince harry in california and of coding to oprah it was an unpaid interview. No subject no questions off limits and you know voluntarily and they were just going to share their story and they did and it was very interesting interesting. Yeah yeah i mean. We actually talked about megs it a year ago. If you go back and listen there's like a hot takes episode. I think where we talk about megs it which is what they dumped them leaving the uk. And so yeah. The interview goes into a lot of death behind from their perspective. What was going on behind the scenes. What led to that departure. I mean oprah talks about if they feel like they were let down if they were attacked. Like all of the things. And i would say like i generally came away from it i. It's hard for me for meghan to come across as one hundred percent genuine now for some reason she seemed extremely polished. And like extremely prepared for this. Do you know what i mean. Like next level. I feel like harry. When he was speaking his was a little bit more raw and real. And just think about that if you had gone through all of this trauma like all of this like torture and hating and all of it like you would be kind of messed up right. She kind of seems like a robot. A little bit spitting out the answers but also we mentioned off mike that she's an actress at the end of the day and she kind of knows how to play into that. I mean an actor can play into emotions and know how to turn it on at the right times. I had a hard time feeling for her. Because i just felt like gimme example. That came up. it's her word against theirs now. And so. When did you make kate cry. And i can only imagine how it feels to have fake or false stories and things stated about you all the time absolutely but she already wasn't hollywood and understood that world of tabloids and paparazzi nonetheless. You're marrying the most famous family in the whole entire world you have to understand that comes with it tabloids in stories. It's i get that thick skin move on but every example was perfectly to her favor. yeah with when. She said that kate thing about her crying. I mean who really knows. And that's fine. She she was hurt in reverse. Or i just wanna get kind of fell to perfectly in her favor that everything that was ever said was wrong and everyone that ever talked to her was wrong to her and i just yeah i. I don't know almost hard for me to totally believe right. No i hear you and let me preface this by saying we are huge megan fans. Yeah like we were so excited. For harry like man. What a dream fairytale wedding but can we just start there. But they got married three days before that wedding Wow oh i thought that was special. Like let's be us. Go run away and do us i. It took away from like what. I was watching. You sure i'm like oh well that's lame so you've been lying to us for two years now about that like oh my goodness so i don't know i will say i call total bs on the part where she says that harry literally stopped her as they were on the way to meet the queen for the first time and was like do you know how to curtsy and that she had no idea she had to curtsy for the queen. And okay i. I don't know that blows my mind a little bit and she swears she never googled him like she just had no idea about the royals or anything like that. And i don't know i'm like yes. You're american but yeah. I think even saying the word naive is a bit i. Who's that naive. i you understand. This is like the oldest family of the world and this monarchy. I the institution. Whatever you wanna call it. I think that was unrealistic and is true. Shame i knew meghan because he on harry. You should have been aware of the circumstances and the responsibilities of being part of the royal family. And if you didn't even know you had to curtsey to the queen. I don't know where you're at two. Yes understand that this is what we're getting into. I'd think having the the with the crown coming out. And diana's story resurfaced especially recently. I think a lot of people kind of can relate to megan and support her and sympathized for her because yes clearly we saw on the other end already one story and diana did not have a happy ending and how tragic that was and how a lot of that could have been avoided if the queen stepped in if charles had treated her differently if institution had protected her more. You considered her feelings. So do i think that could happen to megan. Absolutely it's happened before. And as harry said we don't want history repeat itself but meghan. You are strong capable woman. You win oprah said were you silent or were you silenced. And that is true. I mean i know so much of your phone ears to graham in everything is shutdown and how as an american that would probably feel very crazy like a totally different world. Totally different experience. And you're feeling very out of control. But i i don't know i guess it's your priorities would have to change being part of the royal family. You're thinking more about country and family and doing duty good and there is such a title with that and responsibility with that so having to give up some things of course came with that and quite a few things but i know feeling trapped and she even said my father trapped williams trapped. Yes they are not. They don't have the luxury to say. Like you did harry to walk away. And say i'm going to go live a normal life. They don't they are going to be king and i do think there should be something said for that. I think there should be some sort of noble respect duty that is part of your blood line and that is part of like world history and i think you have a lot of perks that come with that but i know it's a very very hard responsibility. Yeah it it's it is but i agree with what you said like it's bigger than just the one and you saw that through the crown with mean how much she she gave. She sacrificed and she didn't even ask for it. She wasn't even properly in line for this position and yet she gave her life to the crown and to the institution and the country in. And if anything. I guess what could irk me. The most is that the limp the limited control the royal family actually truly house. I mean it is down to this firm institution prior ms or all these other things that even i still don't fully under all the americans we don't go. I think that they serve a very important role in their culture and in the cohesiveness of people Because i think there's like a pride there. I mean just queen elizabeth alone. I mean think about it. She's been there since world war two and all of the different conflicts and all of the civil issues and everything and she's just been constant and has always been an example for people and like. I don't know i i look up to her so much i mean there are no words. I mean there are no word. It's so admirable what she's done and continues to do. She's like georgia's gramma. We're we're like when is she going to die. I'm gonna live forever. A queen elizabeth dined will be a very big day and even this dynamic could change drastically being charles being king and william then right there and all the things. It's yeah it's a lot. I don't know i came away from it. Filling very conflicted because megan's talking about like wanting to commit suicide and all these like really really hard heavy very real things and at the same time. Though i feel so bad. For harry i do i do too. I feel like. I know that as a hard life but at the same time i think he understands what has purposes. He was raised to do the work and to do the job. He's been through. So much. With william and everything and to not be talking to him anymore. Like i know when there's conflict in my family like how hard that is and to just think of those two. I don't know i heard it once somewhere along the way that if you step back and look at whoever the common denominator is where there is issue like who the common paret common thread. That's usually who the issue where the issue lies. Or you know what i mean and so looking at it this way when legit every like palace. Staffers who have been there for live quit when megan came in and like all the things i don't know i can't just like sit back. And i nod my head. As she talks to oprah i i don't know i can't i have to just kind of be like oh i don't know and i think you know the race card her throwing out the race card that was very dangerous gayness and convenient. I'll just say that. But honestly if someone in the family had said that why why even tell the world like it does humankind no good because now we just feel. Oh even up. In our hierarchies we are so divided and racists a and b. You're storing someone hugely under the bus and see it. Just why stir dot pot like we are trying to find gained some ground with peace in the racism and the division department and that just like throws it up into a fury again absolutely whoever that one person that said that that is a wrong wrong thing to say wrong concern absolutely out of line with i feel like that's almost so private and that's the thing she shared a lot and i just feel like you wanted to escape to have this peaceful private life. Then why did you call up oprah and sit in front of the camera to tell all the dirty laundry like i know. She wanted to stick up for herself. And for harry. But i want to hear from harry's mouth. I needed to get away and he said she saved me. She saved me. And if that is the truth if he was so done. Diana william all the things i am done. I can't do this. i won't do this life. i'm done. But i still just don't feel like it was his conviction his choice now more than ever so many other factors have played into that and forced him to make this decision. Not look happy to me. Yeah he didn't. He looked eerily new fall out. This would have the damage and the pain that he would cause his family. He was very conflicted. Agree with you the biggest loss and all of this. For sure is william and harry. They needed each other. And he's going to be king one day and let's be real. It was kate william and harry. They were these little three amigos and they did so much together before he met meghan and there was a very healthy cute dynamic there that it was like oh we know this life and only we do and now he kind of like deserted that and not that. I don't think it's valid. I see how hard it would be. But oh i just know i know so many feelings. Yeah i know. I like it has dominant to. She was in the conversation and every time they were in like the little hand house and she was telling her thing and he's just in the background. I'm like this is the prince of england. He needs to come and share his truth. I think he should have been the first one to speak. I think he should have been the first one questioned. I think he needed to tell his truth. And then the woman he happened to mary and the hardship she's gone through could share her story The story is prince harry at the end of the day. And i don't know why yes. We're in america yes. Megan is an actress. Yes she is by racial and yes. She's the duchess now. But i do think prince. Harry's story is first and foremost in my okay. i'm gonna be one hundred percent honest what my takeaway was. I feel like harry cap insinuating that he was trying to get everybody to see what they had in meghan like. They just never saw them to see what they have in her. He said that multiple times in different words to where in the back of my head. I'm like okay. Was she in the background. Like i don't get enough attention. i don't this they. They don't like me. They don't know me bub-bubba that at the same time. Like william and kate will be king and queen. It's different. It's not going to be harry. And he's always understood that role in it's always been prince william and harry harry's always been second and he knows that and he's okay with that but i don't think megan's okay being second fiddle i really don't and i think there could be conflict in the background of her like no. I'm not okay with this. I'm a strong woman. And i have opinions that i've voices and i'm not going to walk behind a bubba. Do you know what i'm saying. Because i'm a strong american girl. But i can see some like super strong willed women really taking issue you know what a manger and i only know like the dynamics in a marriage i mean right right. I mean it's family dynamics on a huge scale. You know. And i think prince harry has done the honorable thing and supported his wife at the end of the day. He chose her. I mean that choice. I hope always will ring true to him. But i mean it has complicated his life immensely. He has stayed true to her and supported her and done in. His is what's best for her and their child. So i do respect harry in that way i just. It's funny that they came to america. Like how the whole thing went down. And we're gonna wrap this up but it just kind of funny how it all panned out in there in l. a. and santa barbara and with a podcast. A podcast and oprah living on oprah street. It just is weird how it so you came here to be american royalty now and everything that comes with. Yeah i don't know. God doesn't sit well with me. Unfortunately using and i was hoping to be their cheerleaders in kind of see that and she has this whole cinderella story. But it's just very drastically. Not it's not. I mean i think there was like a way to go about it and she over shared for sure and can i just say the queen is a class. Act the statement that she put out the next day she says. I am so sorry that there was all this going on in the background. I'm totally paraphrasing here. But she just says it so perfectly like go read it. It's so good. And then she says i'll always be loved and they're always gonna be members of our family and we hope we can repair it and stuff like that. It's just so perfectly done. And i'm like man elizabeth. You're so great. Yeah so great. I'm dying to know. What william and kate i know. And that's another thing. Why couldn't they have done like a sit down there. i know they. She would probably have felt attacked. Like that's the thing. No one's on her side. But oprah is going to get on her side here and so that's where i feel like it could have panned out a little smoother or been had some more answers if it was based out of england with a reporter and kind of sharing. This is what's happening behind the scenes. We want it to go better. This is what we need. This is what happened but instead it was just a whole different thing. Yeah tell us if we're like off the mark here. I'm curious to know what you think about all of us so go hit us up. I know 'cause my sister who watched it was on the very other end earrings sympathetic to megan how tragic this is so unfortunate. This has happened to her. This is so sad. Where i don't know i just did not pick that up from the gecko and i didn't even go into it assuming that i was just excited to see what they'd say. Oh totally and i do think our age might play into it a little bit and what i mean by that is. We're harry's age and we watched. I watched the funeral. I i watch diana's funeral and we grew up watching the harry and william dynamic like teen bop and all of this stuff and so my loyalty is to the brothers right. It's not to meghan. And i think the younger generation. They don't really know the boys as much. They looked up to meghan right. Harry and i were both born in november of nineteen eighty-four. You go and i felt very connected to echo. I really did. I was such a fan girl. I mean i wrote in seventh grade. We had to write a famous person a letter like in like. I don't know we had a practice are writing user. I and i chose to write. Prince harry and yeah in seventh grade. Mr gray's climate you chose harry over williams. Oh yeah you did i did. I don't know. I always like drew was drawn to harry. I think william was like a babe then he was so cute and so class act. But i don't know. Maybe because harry was a regards. That's so interesting to me. I don't know lie. Hey that was our take on that. Oh heart barry. I know we've went all of you to just to live happily ever. After as harry always view. I will just say i mean i guess in closing. Kate is a hard act to follow. Because kate is perfection. I do adore. Kate middleton so much. I think she does. It could not have been any more perfect william and i and i get that. That's a hard thing to follow. Yeah hersher but for sure okay. Really quick we're going to provide some value in this episode really fast. We're going to talk about our quick and easy family dinners that. We do on weeknights. We did not prep anything. What are go. to's our number one. What is yours. lauren. Oh gosh hotdogs with a pillsbury croissants if you take the doe in just wrap around the hotdogs. I love doing this. Obviously ron halloween with like mummies Or pigs in a blanket essentially and then just pop them in the oven and they're just yummy. Toasted sounds soga mustard ketchup. All the things anything with croissant role. I know you can go no wrong. They are so good okay. Mine is going to be breakfast for dinner. Yeah i mean always go to my house and number one. There's like subsections under the breakfast right. Hey we love to do. Yoga per phase and. Lauren laughed when i told her this because she's like that will not feed my children. It wouldn't fill them. I know they went back for second. Second dinners yeah. I'm seven o'clock. I'm hungry a bowl of cereal at seven o'clock and i fills my children. We get the shabani vanilla yogurt And we do like fresh berries and a lot of granola and like a big bowl and they like love it and eat it up but then you can also do like burritos breakfast burritos. That's absolutely i think. Xm baking a lot of protein and something healthy and we always have that kind of stuff on hand. Didn't always feel kind of special growing up to have breakfast for dinner. I always find out for sure i leave. If you really ought waffles or pancakes i have a hard time doing waffles or pancakes. Because i feel like they do get so much sugar right before bed with syrup and stuff but it is such a treat. So good okay. The next one that we have that we love to do is grilled cheese with like a tomato soup. I think soup can be a yummy filler. Lots of good soups out there. I i mean canned soups. I know aren't as tasty but a chicken noodle soup or tomato or yes trader. Joe's has this roasted red pepper soup that i'll pair with girl cheese and it is an incredible and so easy such a side note but something you know sometimes. I know it's best to make a homemade chili. But if you can't there's one or two good can chilis and something that we used to do. I haven't done this forever is almost like a fried bread and again with pillsbury you take their biscuit dough in the pillsbury role and you spread it out and you kind of fry them in some oil and it puffs them up like a Indian fry bread. Okay and then you put chili on it or beans and rice on it and you kind of have an indian fry bed ya bowlin and tasting kind of different okay. We'll we're on a tangent here. Do you know what a free toe pioneers free topa. She just looked to know how. I don't what what is that. This is a southern delicacy. Okay okay they serve it at sonic drive-in and i think i might know go. It's plain cheetos. yes i'd seen. Yep chilly and grated cheese on top and it is deeply anxious go. Train does and chile. No no not. Chile's free toes fritos toes f. r. i. Cheeto it's chilly. Fritos corn chips. Yes oh my gosh. It's something about the saltiness of the frito mixed with the chili. That can wolf brand chili busey about it. You gotta get like the canned stuff right with the great. I almost thought you were going to talk about. Have you seen that trend with the chips. What you just like almost take fritos bag like a little individual one and cut it open and pour the chilean top. But he do this pretty much. I've seen them do that with the bags. Channels like i think like ninety or i actually think it might come out of mexico these ship things and you put the chili and stuff and have the bad so i don so unhealthy so and healthy was so good even my particular husband from orange county. He likes the frito pie. Okay that frito pine out next one number four is just our favorite frozen mills. So what would you say your go-to frozen milas for your family. Yeah we love really. There's so many great chinese dishes at trader joe's but one we really love is the orange chicken so we get a bag of the orange chicken in either. The fried rice or just some white rice and costco has a great one to I really like there's and i will say the air fryer is a game changer. this right. that's helping them out so fast and so good very well die of air fryer game. Changer raid my favorite frozen meal. Nal admit it for dinner. Many a nights is the lily. B.'s organic bean rice cheese burritos. These are again just a frozen burrito. But i really like them. I will live in needham. And i always try and keep like salsa in the fridge i feel like we always usually have salsa and so if you put a lot of salsa on top. It's like really good. My kids actually eat it. it's not spicy. It's a good a good mix. And i do think even just homemade bean burritos are a great goto. Your house i e even if we just grab a can of refried beans don't know my my sister-in-law puts cream cheese in her refried beans. Put them in a pot get him hot. Put in some cream cheese with it and it really makes. It's almost like a bean dip. It's like so good it's good me. A good means a narrow that into a tortilla at stake. Okay my tip on making at home. Bean-and-cheese britos is after you wrap the burrito. Put it on a either skillet or a fry pan. No oil or anything and just like toast. The sides brown a little bit. I feel like if firms it bit. Just a tortilla really good. Yes and he already eat like it's all kind of solidified in there and you can either something about kind of browning it. That really liked it. Okay while we're talking about britos our last quick and easy weeknight mill. I'm going to say it is nachos notch. Aw any mexican food now. I mean we do nachos quite a bit and we will just like brown up some ground beef again. We have salsa on hand a can of beans avocado. If i'm feeling fans and obviously lots of cheese and we go to town super good i know nachos and even like just the chips and jeez my kids do the chips and cheese even after school or whatever i know that is such an oldie. I did that. I used to do it in just microwave after church on sunday. Oh i can totally remember coming home and making chips. And i mean not just become not just to like a far cry from actual so yeah honey. We'll hopefully. that helped a little bit. We would actually love to hear what you're cooking. Easy weeknights are. We are really not a best at the panning part. I know we. we are awful at. We've talked about. But you know. I i know i want to run through the store real quick after this and grab a few things. I have my ideas. Were churning for tonight. all right. that'll do it. We have a new episode of great episode coming out on monday with a special guest and you are definitely going to want to subscribed to hear this one so make sure that you are yet. Thanks so much for sitting in and really excited for money's up so don't miss out and go catch the interview if you haven't watched it with prince harry. Yes you can find us on. Instagram took talk all the social at. Yes the mambo podcast. You think now that will do it. Okay guys we'll talk to you soon. Bye bye all right. Take care of each other.
Sherman's March to the Sea - Nov. 15, 1864
"Hello. I'm Anna REEs, and I'm Laurin Vogel bomb, and our show foodstuff all about these islands history and culture food entering is relaunching as saver re along with our super producer Dilling Fagin are hitting the road to find the stories behind all the things we like to eat and drink. We will be talking to the culinary creators and eaters of the world to get to the bottom of why we like what we like. And how we can find more of those things on our first trip. We went to Asheville North Carolina a city that pulled itself out of a seventy year, economic depression with beer and food. New episodes will be coming out Wednesday and Friday on apple podcasts. Welcome to this day in history class from how stuff works dot com. And from the desk of stuff you missed in history class. It's the show where we explore the past one day at a time with a quick look at what happened today in history. Hello and welcome to the podcast. I'm Tracy b Wilson. And it's November fifteenth Major General William to come sherman's March to the sea began on the stay in eighteen sixty four this happened during the US civil war, and it's more formerly known as the Georgia and Carolinas campaign the union army had captured Atlanta in September and had removed at civilian population. With the intent of keeping Atlanta is a strictly military base. It had also destroyed factories and railroads and buildings basically anything that might be useful to the confederacy many homes in Atlanta were also burned. Although it wasn't the wholesale destruction of the entire city as it's often popularly imagined the March from Atlanta started on November fifteenth and sermons force was divided into two approximately equal wing. Things they continued southeast toward Savannah Georgia where they would arrive on December twenty second. This was not a straight unbroken line. The two wings progressed in four columns with the right wing shifting south toward make in Georgia and the left wing shifting north toward Augusta Georgia. This was to make it seem as though maybe those cities were the real objective, but both columns shifted once again and bypassed both cities this March was incredibly destructive. The intent was to rob the confederacy of anything that could possibly make use of and to terrify the civilian population and try to encourage a faster southern surrender. So the union army took anything that was edible or valuable from plantations and from farms that they passed Sherman had promised to make Georgia howl. So they burned out buildings and farms and sometimes homes. They kept destroying railroads and cutting telegraph lines and birding stores and supplies. They were as they went also emancipating people who were enslaved on these properties. So in theory, this destruction. And it was definitely destructive was supposed to have some limits. Sherman gave orders not to enter people's homes and win seizing livestock. They were supposed to focus on things that were owned by rich people rather than what was owned by the poor people who weren't resisting supposed to be left alone as much as possible. The intent after all was to deprive the confederacy of anything that could be useful and terrify people into surrendering. It wasn't to punish the poorest civilians and the freed people who really had nothing else. But in practice, these orders that were supposed to sort of temper this whole process were often not followed at all soldiers carried away as much as they could and destroyed what they couldn't. And a lot of people who were left in the path of all of this destruction were women and children because a lot of the men were away fighting this also meant that the people they were liberating from enslavement were liberated now, but they were left with nothing to support themselves. No way even necessarily to have shelter or food and Sherman and his army. We're taking no responsibility for them or for making sure that they were going to be able to survive once they had moved on the two wings of sherman's March reconnected in December. They took fort McAllister. For bombarding city of savannah. And then after capturing savannah Sherman sent this telegram, his excellency, president Lincoln. I beg to present you as a Christmas gift the city of savannah with a hundred and fifty heavy guns and plenty of ammunition. And also about twenty five thousand bales of cotton w t Sherman Major General. The destruction in all of this was massive the union. Army lost fewer than two thousand of the sixty thousand men that it left Atlanta with over this more than a month of the campaign. And it was also disastrous for southern morale as it was intended to be especially for the civilians who had thought that the confederate army would protect them. And instead had no protection Sherman estimated that the March through Georgia caused about one hundred million dollars worth of destruction. And then the following year they turned north toward the Carolinas. And that March probably also did an equal amount of damage through the Carolinas after the war sherman's March became part of the lost cause propaganda that reframed the confederacies role in the war as a noble and heroic, but doomed struggle to preserve it genteel way of life and even appeared in the nineteen fifteen birth of a nation, and then was later part of Nazi propaganda. Thanks to Chris. Ross yoda's for his research work on today's podcast and thanks to Casey pink room in Taylor Mays for their audio work on the show. You can subscribe to this day in history class at apple podcast, Google podcast and railroad to get your podcasts, and you can tune in tomorrow for a battle that led to the end of an empire. Hello. 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Shannon's April Fool's Day Nightmare
"Tomorrow is my least favorite day. Ever in radio really. No no no no not now now because the roses and now because of opening day because both those things fall on tomorrow's day it's april fool's day no i s that day. I can't stand it. Everybody always comes to us. We need ideas. We need you to do something we need to do. You guys really into it when you were little like. Did you ever play judge. Alimentary squad probably pulled pranks and stuff. Lucy's holiday is it. it's like birthday. I april fools day second than christmas. She loves april fools day. She plots all year to get me and she's she already started the countdown a couple of days ago for are you ready and all laugh. A late all yash. She's like i am going to get you good. Last year she did like a dozen pranks. I'm not joking all year long. She's like who this just gave me an idea for april fools like she loves april fool's day and i'm kind of nervous about tomorrow. Why that's great. 'cause you instilled that in her. I mean that's worse. Probably got the idea. And you know you've done some pranks too. So she probably elevated her excitement for it but now she's gonna take a new level. I love that. She's trolling you and warning. You because it just on edge all week. Yeah and i told her last night before she went to bed because she was talking about it. She's like one more day. Mom and i go mom's got a few tricks up personally to lulu get ready by. Does mom have any trick. Do i've gotten yes. I do really. Yeah look at you. You're prepping hard for how come you didn't prep hard for our april fools tomorrow. They're not doing anything. i i think. april fools day is such a stressful day for us in radio because like spikes it. It's it's to be expected that we do something in the past in. We've had some really good ones but the problem is it always seems to happen. You know. i've obviously april fools fall every year but it always seems to be a weekday. Never why does he ever fools. They never find on sunday. When we're off and we and we can have a year off from the thing we will do something every year. We only do it if we come up really really funny. Yeah like when we announced that the red wings were moving to canada. We had like actual red wings and coaches and media personalities. All on board to help us with it. I mean we. We were interviewing red wings about the move and they were talking about there. You know it was like it was only good because it was so over the top so we don't just do something just to do something and this is the thing that i don't understand. Why is it that. Now april fool's day you can pull your prank. You know two or three days beforehand. Did you guys hear what volkswagen did. Yeah i'm going to talk about it in thirty. Actually you can talk about it now. Okay so the the car company. The famous car company announced that they were going to be changing their name to volts wagon. Because they were gonna go all electric with their cars and they did this. They announced it yesterday. With a press release reported everything was good and then today they said oh by the way this neighbor fools day no is not. It's a march thirty first day. Yeah yeah yeah. He can't do that now now now. The media's not going to trust you with your press releases in the future yeah by the way what are you hiding. Volkswagen hiding right now actually came out to say. We didn't mean to mislead anybody. This was just a loom to get a little marketing action to get people talking about this. Eighty four giving us their super bowl ads a month before the super bowl. Now you gotta you know. It's no longer a super bowl ad. I i kinda hate that about them and then are you also talk about the michael straight hand thing. Yeah we'll talk about it in a couple of minutes. Because i figure out if that's a doktor if that's real well you have to monitor you guys watching not falling for that. They're gonna try and get mita what. Yeah yeah that's that's the talk is that he's also pulling a fast one as my mother used to always say you pulled a fast one on me. Yeah i was told last night. I think you should take the day off. Work on thursday mom. You might need to like or are you nervous like his gramma keeping a good eye on lucy not gonna paint your house black or something like go overboard with something that's damaged. She has somebody coming to help her because it is. It is my mom who watches the kids on thursday but she has like a our babysitter coming over in the morning. All okay. that's good. You have an adult monitoring the pranks. Yeah i kind of now. I kinda wanna know if we can have it on the radio so that we can. Actually you know not hear about it the day after. I'd like that to be our april fools day spiking. We just put make. Lucy turns producer of the show as gets older. We're gonna tapper. Friday is give us an idea of one of her best from previous years lash. I mean she did so many last year she stole all my underwear and hit it so i had no underwear for the two days leading up to but then she took these little. I took a nap that day. And when i woke up every c. i couldn't get down my stairs every single space on my stairs. She put smith little itty bitty legos. Dinosaur twitter covered the dow down great. That's an evil child by the way you brownies and i pulled back the foil in its construction paper. Cutout ease made out of brown paper like she does like that but she does do some good ones. Wow we're officially hiring allen. A call human resources were officially hiring lucy. One day a year so then we can take care of this particular day. April fools day thing. 'cause she actually comes up with better ones. Yeah that's not. That's not bad. Although i will tell you this that if my kid had all of my underwear for me i would be really pissed. Woke up on my lawn now. I just wouldn't even bother folding and putting away. Just let her put it away for me. Know here you fold it and hide it for me by the way. I never would do that prank. I never wanted to touch my right. Wanted nothing to do with my With my mom's under. I don't know you know it's funny that you see these different pranks come up there and you see people pulling them and stuff like the attack on social media. Every year i fall for that i. I wonder how many people have lost friends over an april fool's prank. That bet you that there's a few people that make it go a little bit too far and in this day. Tiktok day and age. I think that there's probably a lot of people that are doing april fools pranks you know throughout the year. But eve what's going on it's mojo in the morning. How are you for food. I made me off cupcakes. And i made the bottom of the cupcake. I filled it with a meatballs. And then on top i made purple frosting mashed potatoes. I love it when the kids were easter for April i said why don't we start with desert i tonight and i yeah and so when they bit into it. They weren't particularly pleased. Does they still won't let me live it down. Every every april first they bring it up. Are you going to come up with something tomorrow today. As much as i hate it absolutely love it is most of my kids are off to college and i can't really do what you do. Pot brownies now. They would love that. That was a resident. I can't get her fired. This is no april fool's day joke. This is just a good mom. Sending us some sweets. You're way take care of yourself if by all right goodbye. I'm looking back at some of the april fool's day jokes that we did. I think that the red wings one is obviously the most classic the surgery. The kids plastic surgery was outraged. In the funniest part is whenever we do these april fool's day jokes and tomorrow you might have to tune in to see what we do because we may have one coming up tomorrow but anytime we've ever done 'em we always let the early audience enact because they never get anything good like we always you know. Wait to do like war of the roses till at least seven o'clock so it's usually the people that listen at six o'clock That usually get the inside on our little scams in the listeners. Were so good at playing along with us on that that kids plastic surgery like the moms that were were calling up saying or people that were pretending. They're moms com. My child was really ugly. Until i went to the doctor who was awesome. Eight four four mojo live eight four four six six five six five four eight texas nine five five zero zero Let me see if i can slip a couple more calls in here before we get to the the dirty and a chance for you to go to florida. Whose online one lauren. Hi laurin high lord go. Are you april fools banker. Oh yeah april. Fools day is my holiday cts. A couple of years ago. I had turned the volume up on the tv. All the way up and i played section the city. I hit all the most in the entire house I hid all the toilet paper in the basement. And then not to mention where. You drove all the way to canada. So he had zero contact with us and yeah. I got angry voicemail. And i still haven't saved. Wow that's like a lot of work to do isn't it. It's it's the best. I love it. I don't know everybody wakes up. That is that's really amazing that you put much effort into it. Would you like to be higher just like lucy is going to be hired for our show hired to you one day one day year. That's all he got to do is come up with an april fools joke a joke for us so that we don't have to put so much effort into it. Thank you thank you laurin. We'll see you in our show meeting after after eleven today. I'm amanda hello. How are you i amanda. What did you do at work okay. One year. Thirty fools walk to work. And i acted like all of the computers in my answer stolen from the office and my boss had just woken up and wasn't in the opposite. He i think he was going to kill me. He was freaking out that somebody broken and still everything. Wow did you get fired from your job for that. You're going to be careful that you don't get fired for something like right when he. When i told them they will he got so mad. I just hung up. Yeah i mean. Honestly i don't understand why people would would do pranks with bosses nowadays. You know what. I mean like i would. I'd be careful about that. You gotta have a really good boss. I thank you take care of yourself. We actually get a memo that sent to us by the company that that says you can pull off a joke. You know you can pull off a prank. But it has to be run by your superior ahead of time. Because we've had so many. I can't leave some of the dali's yeah the dumb radio deejays that pulled dump pranks 'cause incite panic or over. Lose their pens. So make sure that. When lucy and lauren are planning prank for tomorrow that we run by tonia.
Episode 83: Shelbey Thornburgh
"We begin with evidence that could breathe new life into a murder investigation. Good evening. i'm bill by asa. And i'm laurin freeman schober shelby. Thornburgh was killed inside her apartment in southwest houston back in november just today. Investigators in the case. Released this surveillance video of a man. They believe the twenty year old may have met with before she was murdered. Charleston's ryan got joining us tonight. Ryan we understand that. Investigators believe this man some answers into the death They believe so. They believe the two were actually texting back and forth have simply that all stopped and they captured these images. Take a good look at this guy houston homicide. Investigators wants to talk to him. He was captured on surveillance video about the time. Twenty year old shelby. Thornburgh was killed last november in the seventy five hundred block of air. It was recorded in the lobby of shelby's apartment building shows the man coming and going at about nine o'clock at night. Her sister desperately wants to find out. Who did this. I don't understand why this happened. And it doesn't matter what a person does with their life. Nobody should take a life from somebody. Investigators said shelby and the man exchanged text messages. Not long before. She was found dead but police were unable to track his phone because it was not registered to his name. They hope someone will recognize him wearing sunglasses. After dark and call crime stoppers. The suspect visited our victim in her apartment. She did let him in and he proceeded to assault her and cut her neck. She died from her injuries. Now a family is looking for answers. Five months after shelby was killed. Her sister offered this emotional plea shows only twenty and didn't deserve to be taken away from her but to the throat. Very sad officers went on to tell us right now. There is no car description they have they also say a lab is actually processing. Some of the evidence relied today ryan korsgaard. Aprc channel tubes. Hello this is mark. I write a weekly newspaper column about true crime unsolved homicides in the paranormal you can find links to my social media accounts and columns on my website. Titled the mark marco dot com. Welcome to the catch. Mike killer podcasts. And thank you for listening. This week's unsolved homicides. Story is about the murder of a twenty year old houston woman named shelby. Thornburgh according to christina sky who has shelby's older sister the sisters both endured a traumatic childhood. They were both sexually molested and neglected. Neither experience any stability as they were shuttled back and forth throughout various foster homes throughout texas. Although shelby had traumatic childhood she wanted to pursue a career in modeling but early on she experienced depression which led her to excessive weight gain. Her weight rose to three hundred pounds but she managed to overcome weight problem and lose over hundred pounds. She used to be very overweight and she had determination to make herself where she wanted to be said. Her sister christina shelby would eventually settle into a houston apartment. She took a job as an escort. She told her family that it didn't involve any sexual relations with clients. Shelby said that she would just go to dinner with clients and spend time with them however christina had her doubts she suspected that her younger sister was engaged in prostitution christina feared for her little sister knowing. Just how dangerous the sex trainers. She believed that her sister had gotten herself into a dangerous situation. perceive lived in alabama. So she wasn't able to visit. Her sister often attempted to convince her younger sister moved. Alabama and give a prostitution. Shelby told her sister that she could because she feared leaving her pimp. Unfortunately shelby's young life would soon end on november fourth. Two thousand fifteen shelby had arranged to meet with a client sometime in the evening hotel. Video surveillance showed the man and her and leave the apartment within thirty minutes christine or season early morning. Phone call that her sister was deceased. She learned that someone had brutally murdered shelby. Her killer had slashed her throat in nearly decapitated her in the process when christina visit her sister at the funeral home. She was horrified by what she saw. The funeral. home had basically sony shelby's head onto the body. Seeing shelby's body gave christina an indication of just how violent her sister was murdered according to houston police. Homicide detective dustin crowder. He called the attack vicious. He said her throat was slashed from left to right with a very sharp knife so sharp than it actually cut into her bone of her neck. Christina has worked with a youtuber named gavin fish. The find out who killed shelby. He has requested information from the eastern pd and reached out to other countries for additional information to find the killer. Now along with the story a shelby. Thornberg is told wire older sister for stena and youtuber. Gavin w was born on august eighteen of nineteen ninety-five. Don't remember exactly what she looks like or anything. Because i was a little when she was born our member for probably five year of it being good mama was always there for a. She may make our our hair dresses up half family portrait done. It wasn't tell us probably about seven or eight years old. When my mom started going downhill more she started relying on pill going in and out of hospitals trying to find that that her father was an out of prison. My biological father was in prison. Show one of us really had that fa father figure first time we got placed in foster care. It was in two thousand hundred or thousand five. I believe it was might have been two thousand and four. How was ten or eleven. I can't remember my exact age but before we got boss care. I was molested by my landlord. We had a friend that was his stepdaughter. Whatever they say the that with turner. I was most of their within. It wasn't probably about two months later so we got a group children. Tell them where you had the children in in the built for four to six in a room and it had a gross home boys hall but the girls and boys good thing and when hall so like in the area. Where are you going. get your lunch or breakfast. You're doing our back and stuff like that and Was blessed yet again in that home. They moved away away. From that whole time. Shelby wasn't shelly was going through things as far as they ripped away from what she knew. And but at that point in time it was harder on me. Shelly always struggled with weight. And as my so she went through that as well but the physical abuse. it wasn't really thank. You got a little bit older when he got out of the children her own way. Replace with my aunt and with my aunt for a few months. And then that's when thanks started turning for shelby like i say shelby always struggled with her weight. Chad has and says she couldn't really. But i soon found out. Two thousand ten that abolishing father. He was doing math and shelby had reported it. And during this whole time show me. And i really didn't have much of a good relationship because we didn't see i Sheepdog she was better than everybody share. Shelby if you weren't her friend she didn't like it and then shelby had wound up pregnant with my nephew so i was placed in foster care. While shelby was at my aunt's house. I've struggled with hills and was in and out of hospitals and actually the reason why the first time we got by some foster cares because the ball just got out of the hospital from having electric-shock therapy and i they can. This is back when i first started using electric shock therapy so she didn't really know who she was. She didn't know who we weren't. She actually did go where she lived. She didn't know anything she didn't know her name and i put her in. A taxing are home a couple of days after she got home. That's when cps come in there and said hey look you've got forty eight hours to get a clean a up where it's not a threat to your children though. Mom said okay. Go ahead with auster care. I can't deal with that. they're gonna give me an attack just trying to get them to clean the house. That's why we're we're actually buy some foster care the first And then when i was placed in foster care with mice shelly was living with my mom. And because my mom had lost custody of us with the fails now that she legally could not have child their age without being supervised show she was fifteen and shares old enough to take care of herself that they left her there but while shelby was there my mom tried committing suicide again. They took show me into foster care. They brought her where. I was living and fort where it was a couple of weeks later. They are taken us to go get checked out because you have to do places they go. Get your tactile like sure everything's okay. Toby had come back and my foster parents. Shelby that me down at the table and told me that shelby was pregnant and had columbia. We weren't really sure exactly who the father was hill k. Was born luckily. Thank gosh my nephew. Come out how slack. Because we do. There wasn't so shelby had my nephew and my son tyrant three. I just turned eighteen six months prior to that. And i said i gotta go because my lawyer had told me look you actually need to get out. Get your own place finish school. Get a job start showing that you support your child on your own after i left saucer care. Shelby had they back behind and she had placed my nephew for adoption. she is dead. I can't do this. i'm so young. I can't give them the lafi nave. I'm also heard options. So she's found a wonderful family for him for then. She rang canton on her words. And she say. I want my son back so they brought her son back to her. Well then after. I left foster care. That's when selby was by into another home because she had gotten her son back and they just didn't have going for him so she goes into another foster home but it was like the first very first one we ever lived in. It was a group children so she ran away from there so to my nephew away from her and they've quite my nephew back. Original adopted people shelby soon. Realize this is what's best for help. He needs to be with that family so she went ahead and find the right over. So that way they could adopt. Jim and shelly was moved from thing. After the foster home together shelby was moved to three different foster homes and the period of a year. Well then when she got out of foster care she went to live with my aunt and all in texas and that's when embark caroline shelby isn't relationship actually started growing. Because we didn't have anybody else we didn't have all we didn't. We just had each other. We needed to have that four on each other so our relationship started girl and and it started gone even more when she got out of foster care i would go see her relationship just grew and kept growing and growing well then when she was with my aunt he was hanging out with this girl and she turned her somewhere. I don't know. I think that the cater. I'm not sure and shelby was arrested. And i'm hearing alabama them at this point i've been in alabama since two thousand twelve. I gotta foster care and my husband and moved out here but she yeah arrested for prostitution the first time and when she got arrested the girl who told me look shelby wasn't doing that as she was just there. It was me. I'm not sure exactly why she got arrested. Not fair and all of a sudden a few months later. I wasn't in quite a few months later as a couple of weeks later. Shelby had got down there in dallas and his name is troy And she started living with troy and he was in sweetheart actually hard. He was taking care. Shelby hey shelby and would do anything for shelving. So shelby said it's not working. I don't wanna be here leaving it kind of threw me for a loop. Because i thought she was happy up until that moment i mean he would even message. Maybe like how show. I just want to check in and see how she's doing. I really care about her even if we're not together. I just wanna know how she's doing so he let it go and i guess that's when she met martin and marketplace strapping apartment. And then that's when everything started really going downhill for her. That's when she was in putting the escorting business and she flat out lied to me on multiple occasions. Saying i'm not having sex with them just going out on dates with them like to formal occasions or out to eat or whatever the case may be. I'm just there on their companion. And i paid for it. I wanted to believe it. But i didn't. I wasn't for sure so it was probably four months later after she had met mark. Jack called me and said hey sister. I need you to get a hold of mark. I'm being arrested and asked her what she separate prostituting. I knew then that's what she was actually doing. So i got a hold of market told mark. Hey left during their for about a week she got out and it was Month or so later. She moved to the apartment that she was living in now when she was killed win then there i thought it might be a better situation not realizing that this situation was going to be worse because originally department that you're she was in was a gated apartment complex you to have a car to get into the gate and most apartment complexes that had the gate and a code. They're going to how this camera right there at the gate. So that way they know. Who's coming and going after shelby was killed. I realize that probably would have been a lot safer other than what she would. Then so when he department it was. You had to walk through one door another door. You could open the first door. But after certain. I think you actually had to put a cut in that second door just to go into the building that i mean that was safe but not when you give to people that you don't really know Only for this part of the story. I spoke to youtuber gavin fish. He's worked with christina to help find out who killed her sister. Wrote my name is gavin fish. And i have a youtube channel called gavin pitch and i work on and off with a lot of different people from lots of different walks of life including warmer detectives and active detectives and i sometimes consult with television shows. I'm not a trained investigator. I have no background in law enforcement or any education in that fact my education all technology. I'm an it guy and a computer scientist at but found from doing that for so many years. The talent develop in trouble shooting software. Have kind of come in handy and troubleshooting problems with cold cases. I came to know this case because of an investigation discovery piece. That was done on it and then i began working with Retired police detective. Who told me about the case. And i reached out to christina is shelby's sister and she was open to talking to me about the kings one of the frustrations of this case and this is this is really typical for most coal cases. And i'm sure you probably know. Is that open case release. Really don't wanna give you any information because they think that it might hurt their case but in the case of shelby thornburgh her detective. The one who's assigned to this case in the very beginning is very open. He's willing to talk to you and he's willing to give you his thoughts on things but he never crosses the line where he'll give you documents you have to go through the proper channels to do that and so far. I've just been denied over. And over again by harris county but he will talk to us and now let us ask him questions. So that's what i've been doing this case. I've been spending a lot of time talking with detective. Crowder and with christina trained. Get i guess. The ins and outs of the case. So probably the best place to start is tell you a little bit about shelby. She was raised in dysfunctional family. She and her sister were taken by child protective services multiple times during their years growing up they were placed in different homes and sometimes with relatives and sometimes not and they just kind of grew up in and out of the foster system china's sometime use in communication with their mother but most of the time they will only had each other there they did have some close relatives cousins and an their grandmother that they really loved but but it was. It was a rough upbringing for sure. Shelby from all evidence. That i can see was always a bigger girl. She was just he was just a bigger girl and i think that her self esteem was probably very low because of all the things that combined against her growing up struggles with her weight and then struggles with the lack of stable home and sometime in the in the years before her death and you got serious about losing weight and and she did so according to her facebook page took her about a year and she started out three hundred pounds and by the time she died. She was a hundred and thirty seven pounds. She ended up losing over one hundred sixty pounds during that last year. From is at the time which was really her sister but there was extended family as well. They knew that she was working. As like a high priced escort. And if you look at pictures of shelby she was really a beautiful woman. Young woman she is. She's really pretty even from the time when she had lots of weight on her she was always a beautiful girl but they're the end of her life. She really was a beautiful girl. Look at her family thought that she was an escort and they thought that that didn't mean sex. That just meant go on dates with rich guys so the death somebody that go casino west and she really convinced your family. That's all she was doing but the reality wise she was a prostitute and she had a criminal record. But i was able to find. She died in november of two thousand fifteen her first arrest which she pleaded no contest to happened in april two thousand fourteen somebody year and a half before she died up in dallas county and she served a little bit of time for pay the pay the fine for it and then she doesn't have a criminal record again until june of two thousand fifteen when she again was picked up for prostitution so in the case of the second prostitution charge she then had a prior so this was kind of a second strike situation and she made her bond and the case never went to trial and when i asked detective crowded about it he said you know that kind of stuff happens. All the time arresting officer doesn't show up to court or or something like that so it was dismissed. Now when you talk with her family they tell story that shelby told them that she was working with her lawyer with police to she wouldn't be convicted and so her story was that she was like trump kind of informant than points. At least that's the way they took it so. That case was dismissed the month before. She died in october so on november. Four two thousand fifteen. She made a date with an individual called her. On an ad she put out on the internet on backpage dot com and according to police. This person who she made date with was calling. All sorts of prostitutes have had ads out there in houston that day. They all tend to be blonde. They you know they were all type anyway. He made a date with shelby. The date was our apartment in houston. I should stop here until you that. In a lot of the stories that are out there on the internet. They describe her home. It's like a luxury highrise. But when i talked to police that is definitely not the case. It was not luxury at all. It was a part of town was known for prostitution talk. You can go on the internet and look for prostitution in houston and it will always show up right in that area that is like prostitution alley so is it common for prostitutes. Have their clients come to their home at seems especially dangerous. I would think that they would mean in a motel room or somewhere safer. I've been in contact with several of the girls that work at the same time in the same area shelby behind the scene pimp. It was pretty typical and show these apartment. It was set up. I kinda feel like that apartment building was originally a hotel and you know how all hotel rooms tend to be about the same size rectangular shape her apartment look like they were to hotel rooms right next to each other and the one side was like the kitchen at and the living room going out to a balcony and on the other side was a bathroom some closets and her bedroom in her apartment she had a bedroom there in the back but in the front room living room there was a twin bed setup for her work so it was like she was separating her work life and her personal life by having those two beds. I'm with you mark. I think that catchiness as crap you know. I don't think i would bring strangers into my home if i were a sex worker. It's dangerous thing to do anyway. But that's what she'll be dead even had a method of getting payments from her client from her john having them go to the bathroom and then she had a hiding place for money so that they wouldn't know where it went. If something happened the other thing that i learned. She had a mechanism wearing. She would call him to let him know that everything was okay or not they had like a seaport and and she called him and gave him that faith word she like everything was okay do you know how long has she was involved in prostitution while living in houston to me. That unclear what i do know is that she was arrested in dallas in april. Two thousand fourteen so she had been working as a prostitute for about a year and and unclear to me when she went to harris county. But here's the thing that is not out there. If you look at any story that is out there on shelby you will find that. She had a quote unquote boyfriend named mark b. m. d. e. in fact mark de was not her boyfriend. He was her pimp but she was his top girl. She was the the top of the heat and so when you go onto her facebook page. It appears that they have this relationship like boyfriend girlfriend. That is confirmed with police and with her family that no he was not her friend. He was her pin and she managed the girls fact. I've i've spoken to a couple of other of the girls that that she managed and they described her as being the bottom bitch. That's the term that was used which means she was the one in charge if she was killed by a client. Wouldn't the noah's identity. I mean i don't necessarily expect the pen to do a background check. But don't they lease know the identity of these men or is it about them just taking the guy's money and then leave it at. That seems to me from all the evidence that i looked at to him she as a product and nothing more so i don't know that they vet them now. Martini did know she had that clement. Facts he the one that called police he he dialed nine one one and told police that somebody killed quirky girl right so my girl is dead. Killed my girl but when police got there. The money that that john paid was not there was gone so mark. The went up there. Foundry dad made sure to get the money and then and then call points. Can you give me details about how shelby died. Shoe was cut with a large knife across the neck and left to right the way that the crime scene look. She was on her knees on the right side of that twin bed that was in her living around facing away from her john he was behind her and he reached around with his right hand with a large knife and colder the across wrote. And there's cast off on the law from the knife and she felt forward and led out on the floor on the other side of the bed so she was. She was like lying across the bed with her basically from her knees she. She wasn't a very tall person. She was only five foot one so from her knees to basically shoulders going across the bat and then her neck and head hung over and she just bled out on the floor. What was the motivation. Why would anyone want to kill her. Could have been a robbery. There's nothing missing. So i have a couple of theories. One of them is the theory of the that. The police have. When i when i talked with houston pd their theory after consulting with an fbi. Profiler this is a serial killer he meets the criteria for somebody who's a serial killers and knows exactly what it is he's doing. The moment walked into the lobby of that apartment building so the time he walked out with seventeen minutes and at least a couple of those minutes were him sending times feed on the couch while shelby came down the elevator. to get. If you take into account let's say three minutes in the lobby. Maybe a minute to get up to the the apartment then our four minutes a minute to get down and walk out. That's five minutes. He was in her apartment had sex with her murdered her in the space of twelve minutes. When i first saw this story and watch the video of the killer i realized myself that this is probably not his first saw aside. He's done this before. Oh here's a problem. one slight. No you didn't have to do anything that were answered wounds on her hand but appears that was when he wraps his arm around during that. Put the nice there. She put up her hands to try to grab it so he sliced you know her hands and neck at the same time and it was deep enough to go into her spinal column. That's theory number. One that's the theory of houston pd along with the fbi. Gebbie theory that. I have and i'm not saying it's a better theory. I'm just saying that's possibility is that she was indeed cooperating. Yes a coffee attrition task force in houston and it was a hit shortly after her death there was a big ing and houston and a lot of people were rounded up in that sting. The could possibly be that it got out. Shelby was working with police and her pam or competitors decided to get rid of her. And if you look at the video of him walking in and out that dude is built. He looks military or ex military. Look kareem louis. Adept at chilling. Looks like somebody who can can get that job done. I mean there's no hesitation in it. I've never been in the military but i had a. I had a roommate who was in the air force and he showed me how he was instructed to march in the air force and the kind of had this way about doing on the outside of the foot where they would roll and it was almost like this silent walk but he showed me this where he'd roll his feet to the outer edge and he would just kyoto he just roll on that out at outer edge. You could barely hear him. That's the way he walks in that video. He's not like clotting along like a like a normal civilian. He's walking so that nobody notices him. Do you know if the killer left any trace evidence behind. Yes there is a so. She confided in me that the scene was not jerry locks down when martini when the pimp called nine one one and said my girl has been killed. What you had assume what happened is this is a murder scene right so get homicide on the way but what they ended up doing was dispatching one or more uniformed officers. They went to the apartment. They found that she indeed was dad. And before homicide investigators there. The apartment was chock full of houston. Pd personnel that one to grab a peek at the scene. Because it was so so it was john melee of people in there so they didn't like look for shoeprints or footprints or anything that they could identify. They didn't find in finger invents because he was just so contaminated by houston police. And then when -tective did get there and crime scene investigators got there. They were able to lift some dna off like it was a skin left. They put tape down on her skin. They're able to lift. Dna off of their now. Most of that dna remains untested. There were able to test the dna of hair of it was on shelby and iran. That through this and you know their local national databases and they didn't get a hit but most of the dna evidence elected office shelby. They have not tested. Is it possible for houston. Pd to run the dna through genealogy testing. Yeah i think that they have enough sample they. They don't have seen or anything. It was just a hair and then contact skin. I have a friend who i consult with on this kind of stuff. There are multiple ways to amplify dna and to map it. the way that it's mapped for kotas is a different way than they map it for genealogical testing they would need to amplify another dna sample using what's called a snip system. They called snip. I can't remember what it stands for. But it's the way that they amplify the dna for genealogical testing so far. They've not on that. The reason that i've been told is just don't have a bunch of part in two thousand fifteen the way that they would collect. Dna there's a very specific way to collect the n. a. and by two thousand fifteen. They were doing well. So the dna that they did collect should still be viable. What's the status of this case right now. Do you think it's going to be solved anytime soon. Or do you think authorities or far off from solving it icing. They're pretty far away. We've been told through christina. That police have told her that they do have a person of interest is in another state that they're gonna go and interview and requested. Dna samples from but they've declined to tell us why. That person is a person of interest so from what i can tell. They are still working on the case. They have detectives assigned to the case. But you know we'll get solved. I don't know but there is video of the suspect walking through the lobby very low quality. But it's there and so if anybody would like to see video and see if they know somebody that they recognize the person that would probably be something that we'd want him to do On november four my aunt shelby about sixty To talk to your shelly countdown down. I basically gotta go to work. I'll talk to you later. Hung up the phone that were communication and four am on november four. I got a call asking me. Are you christina scott. And i say yes. Ma'am i am. She said well. I'm sorry to bomb you that your sister has passed away. So what do you mean. My sister passed away. She said that's all. I can tell you is that your sister passed away. I said so. You're telling me that my sister was martyred she said. No my i cannot tell you that at one point i asked her i said was she found just as she was found in her and we went back and forth with her band and she kept telling me now she told me that was that i knew i shall be was killed was taken away because it wasn't because of this sure was killed. Now why did you automatically assume that someone had murdered your sister. Was it because of her dangerous lifestyle. I had a bash truly from the time when she second shelby. The something's not going to happen. I had a dream not a habit and they do. And i told her she'll be your killed. Please come to my house. they just leave. Come stay with me. She said sister. I can't kasur. i can't kill me kill me. I can't have to wait the right top her. Do she was dead because they live person on the phone told me whereas the quarters office or call them then i can explain more to you so i called them and they told me that out to meal. They found shelby's body at her apartment and she had a cut on her throat. Didn't tell me how deep it was. They told me anything. And then after i found out what had happened. I called mazda. They Four thirty five. Am on my husband. He was at work offshore asleep on the radio and they had to go away. she'll bust. I lost it I don't miss the bay killed. Yes they did have like. I told him no because there wasn't nothing we do nowadays later. After i talked my call the rest of my family and shelby was gone. That later by the reagan. We went the houston. I walked into the funeral home. The funeral director pulled me off to the side and he asked what do with her body. Title shit. I don't have the money here. Don't bury her. Don't even have the money to cremate her. He's a go ahead of her real holder ashes until you asked me. Do you want to see her before anybody else total. Bia even told me. I shouldn't. I walked in there. He said We'll tell you she doesn't look like herself. She's learned that. I've ever had that where you can hold it a haberdasher covered where you can't stop that everywhere. Estela toby how the president. He said they took her head off a civil she. Kinda where else he says. You have one cut out bread where she put up for selfish. It walked over it. I his four daughters shopian. You're not gonna give us stock. The pulled out the title that was runner turkeys and turkey. Legs they take. The street heard backup who it pretty still about two inch between each. That wasn't there would lead to kiss her forehead. Her head lead to the list or the rock they'd be header to help out what her a few days later. I went to her apartment and i cleaned out her apartment. I wasn't gonna get oliver stuff. Walked into a bloody mess. How there was a bad twin has bed with Shades the red pele keister. I think it was a red blanket on it. It was covered in blood. What do you to match or so mattress and supposed to be flat but for where. She had the where the blind headset order. The badgers before where the blood was roger down. I couldn't stay in there because the smell was awful. It's i can't even describe it. All i can say it's worse than the day. It'll road is a hot job for a day. It's like that. I had to get it out. I think it's a match for good say because it was bad so after getting done i cleaned on her apartment in the kitchen the away. Hey i guess you could say where she had written down to a classic surgeon to have breast implants. Toby talked out. I've got to look at it to it and it was the day that was killed today that afternoon. She went eleven hundred or something like that down on and having a play to the talk and that they took it from me. My sister that they're all the way to know. We only had each other retard each other on a regular basis or the other. We were calling each other where you were texting or texted each other. We're face whatever the case maybe we're talking to each other. every retire. Their last words. We fed was i love. You would never let it go by that. We say i love you. It kills me because even now this man out there on the street and wait. I don't know his name. I don't know where you live. I don't know anything about brother where it looks like and i've here cross talk is true. I will fight. I will do everything. I can't power to get you. Break justice tour feel like our kelly does because it's almost six years later and here we are. We don't have him. Isn't there a dna sample available. There is dna but there's not enough dna who wrote in the best juicy hit their causes third answer oracle for that. They can't they don't offer that they have. What makes me so mad is after cleaning her apartment. She had a red flag outside of her door ever apartment. I took that road. I took everything. I took the couch that had daughter at this point in time paying for couch at how back and forth to houston actually not. I don't have the money to pay for. My couch is so. I had to take my sister's out and clean it up. I could get off of it. I mean i couldn't get the off of underneath that has had a paper stuff. That's i took the. But i did manage to get the blood off the christian and so i'll tell you everything and when i got that rug home that red road out of her front door. I had noticed that there was a lot darker than the rest of the carpet. 'cause her apartment. You wouldn't really see it because it was so dark. Call it's like one of those Disgruntled the inside of our apartment when you go in the double doors. When you're walking into the building. I of course i mean you can see them and surveillance video and how it's laid out. He's got your elevator. The elevator another set of stairs doors coyote. The other side of the devils award. You the elevator on the left hand side and you come out the elevator you have to know to the rat and then it comes to a dead end you have to go to the left iraq and so it's dark there's no windows or anything it's it's worse than what a hotel is and had these damn yellow lights that would you would use for your hall. Lots i guess. And so you wouldn't say this fight. I'm talking about all of this rook apartment. Because it was so dark in my opinion they should have taken this rug anyway because it may not where you never know. I got home and play out in front of my front door to match to her couch. 'cause it was right on black and i had very good lighting in my house thought that was darker than the rest of it and i went and got a q. Tip i'll let the internet. And i stuck it almost by it. Know it was blood. I called the attack does not the department. Hdd and i told him what i found and told me they can't take it just saying not use it so i'm like okay and got dirty at one point. I had to wash the road so the come out of it and then it got ruined and away. That's on a blood that rudd telling me it was either shelby's wanted his blood and his blood. Yeah they might not have been able to use it court. They could have used it to help. Try to find him or they all because the spot of bread is gonna be enough. It's gonna be more than a hair so they could have ran at the end. I profile office but they take it and this new detective. I think name is alex. Had told me yeah we could take. We just got it gore. We could use it legally as far as legal standpoint go but we could use it to help try to pinpoint who he is where he also found hot roaches underneath her account. I had found her laptop two or three other cell phones that she has laying around the house. I found hard idea found her birth certificate. I found her social security card. All this stuff. And i found lubrication the dinner saying or whatever you wanna call it like on the couch with how you played on one of those and so there was and there was no right and you take the lubrication. Why didn't you take all this other stuff does say just didn't match up to me like why did it take all this stuff and especially that rug outside the front door. I mean it kills me. Because they just don't i feel like now those being done about it but i don't know what else i could do. I'll reach out bunch of people. Have you shared the photo of the killer and with the public. I viewed this footage a few times to me. He looks like he's either military or possibly a police officer. The police have released a photo one time to the news station. Alex told me last year. Less than things release again after the new year after the election. Let's news release so after the new year. I contacted them again. And i said hey. Look whenever you want to do this. He said soon. Like in the next week or two. So i got on facebook and i raised money to get down there. We're going all of a sudden it. We have a suspect. We're going to get in from new york and this and that like let's talk to me so you know we on right. They just went and got the dna for this guy because apparently york has. They're wrong. I if you have a word for somebody in texas. You can't just go to new york and pick this person up. You actually have to get a war in new york as well. Apparently trying to get a war in new york is hard. It's hard to get a warrant for somebody. That new york has an issue so he finally got arrested. I guess that's what they were waiting for. And they went down there the other day and he consented to do. They not automatically tells me if he's going to give you the his day he didn't do it guy understand. He's got a violent tennessee to live and he's been arrested for this kind of stuff. He's got great. You said she was in houston at the time of the murder he was matt. But why would he consent to give it a day and night so I'm like he. He didn't do it because they've done this a couple of different times. Hey we've got us. We're gonna get dna and all times. It comes back not him. Because i consider did. Can you share the latest update about this case with me. The latest date is just what i said. I just got from that guy your other than that haven't saved anything other than what alvin tells me and it's not really plans. We're trying to get place records and autopsy report and phone records. And we're trying to get everything and galvin had said. Hey look crowder. Austin are on top of it. So we're their supervisor. Now you need to reach out to the attorney general and talk to them. 'cause i wanna make sure that we're not after the h. Meaty where just wanting to try to help may not turn out to go after the hp. But if something's not done soon. I mean i feel like i need to go after them rather i have. These records are not. Especially if i get these ranker's and there's something so obvious that just plain as day or something that you should have seen dana detective. I have people telling me that he looks military or cop or something. And i believe he may be a cop or maybe somebody in the community that they're trying to protect because he's somebody that's got money or somebody that's not really the or whatever. The case may be an especially news. The cop hey. Pd it doesn't matter. What he they don't know that information out there they don't want to look like the bad guys. I don't understand why his video and fisher hasn't released by them even more than what. It has been released. What tom i am told that crime stoppers releases and they article every so often delay the very first interview. I don. I still air shelby story all the time. There was somebody the other day. My my area i had never met. I had met my husband and before she Who he had seen me on. Tv what shelby story. And wishing at my husband she added facebook and she told her because she's lesbian she had told her girlfriend. She's been. This is the girl that was on. Tv her sister was killed. She's superior but our sister was detected so she come to the house. She started talking to the conversation that brought up as shelby and she said yeah. They still area all the time. I watch it all the time. And there's people all the time most may run the fourteen shelby on facebook. There's people that message me all the time. I'm so sorry about your sister. I never heard of this story. I seen it on. Tv or thing. It was and i just podcast or whatever it is whatever it is. I'm so sorry about it. I'm so sorry. I seen it on this on that. It's not it's not the newspaper. it's not idiots that's around. Houston trying to get it out other things that i have tried to get out. I do. Extensive research for the podcast. Mo newspaper column. I'm always reviewing the crime stories and updates on unsolved crimes. I actually have about fifty different facebook page crime pages that i often review. I will say that. I rarely see anything about shelby's case from houston pd raglan. I mean there's nothing like they don't both anything and it's only any anything that it is. It's what i've done is not trying to help what person do do i'm not saying i'm poor but i don't have extra money. I don't have money to hire people or guarded. Houston me like hey. I need to do this news article. I need to do this for my need your help. I don't have that money. I'm on different pages. And other things. I where not on houston pace about killings and stuff i what are they gonna win their actual page paper from the detectives or whatever in there and say. Hey look we need help or this case but nothing of my sister. Nothing on fortunately after reviewing so many crime stories interviewing people in law enforcement i feel like many homicide cases are investigated based on social status. For instance think about all the drug addicts people with lengthy criminal records and prostitutes. They get murdered. Many these cases never get solved but if someone were to murder say the daughter of your governor or a state representative than that case is most likely going to be solved. Even as i didn't have a picture or video of secular. They didn't have dana. they would have already had him. But it's not being taken a serious. I feel and that's what i'm getting at. I'm not saying that houston. Pd has placed her sister's case on the back burner. But i just can't help but wonder if it's not a high priority. Because she was a sex worker. I mean there is. Dna in an excellent photo of the killer in this case has gone unsolved for nearly six years. I just wonder about the priority level of houston pd. In solving this case. I tell them i said look i. I feel like our nine properly because of what she was considered. I said it does not matter what she was considered. What she was doing. It does not matter choosing normal human just like everybody feeling like everybody else and she has really out there that love and care about her and one of the justice done something needs to be done For everything that you're doing to get justice for your sister. I would also like to suggest that you reach out regularly to houston media to do stories. On the anniversary of shelby's death. I would also suggest that you create a document with key facts and photos and sending information to various true crime. Podcast just to help them get the word out. You have an excellent picture of the killer. I think that the more we get that photo shared the better. The chances are that we will find someone who can identify him exactly. And that's not. How important is a shining wanting to do anything. And i've always said it just person. I mean i'm sure there's already people who've seen but they're scared of him but you get that one person that's not scared of how it's going to be done right so you just have to keep moving forward on shelby's case your sister you loved her. I admire you for your nasty. And getting justice for her so my final question for you is for anyone. That's out there. Listening to the podcast. What would you like to say to anyone who might know something about this case or the identity of the killer that scene in the video i would say come forward with any information you have whether you're one hundred percent we're not when underbush war This may be not come forward. Even if it's using similar person released its permission because it's been almost six years. He was my only sibling. I lost my father. When i was eighteen i just turned eighteen and it was ten days after i got married. I lost my mother. My sister polly struggling. I lost my sister and four weeks at the day. Losing my i want my grandmother so shall was all i had. As far as a media family is losing all media. Family is taken everything. So i i'm looking for that information. Just come forward. It doesn't matter whether you know them for sure as it or not. Just come forward and call. It will help tremendously. It will give us lease and that includes the story shelby thornberg. You know what happened to her. Who killed this young woman and wa- high her sister christina is desperate to find her younger sisters killer. unfortunately it's been a challenge because she lives in alabama. She has traveled to houston to find out what happened to her sister. Fortunately there is dna and a video capturing the killer for now that killers dna is an codes but the video images are clear. It's difficult for me to believe that someone does not recognize this killer. I ask you to visit the link to the video. I will share it in my podcast notes. You know anything about this killer. Do you recognize him. If you know anything about shelby thornburgh saw aside please contact houston crime stoppers at seven one. Three two two two tips if you would like additional information about this case please visit the support team. Shelby facebook page. And if you want additional information about gavin fish. I will also provide his contact information and included in the podcast episode notes. If you are a parent. Law enforcement official friend or relative seeking justice weren't unsolved homicide case. Please visit my website and complete the contact form or contact me through facebook. Thank you for listening
Gadget Lab: How to Get a PlayStation 5
"Millions of moving pieces connecting and protecting our world as one is impossible until it's not from command centers to thomas aircrafts northrop. Grumman is uniting all systems to act as one see how we're connecting the joint forces at njit dot com slash as one lauren. Mike lauren if you tried to get well you know. Have you tried to get one of those. Oh one of those. Well i would accept that i'm hearing it's limited to certain groups right now and it's it's just really hard to go online and figure out how to get one. Yeah i know. I can't believe we waited this long. And now there are supply and demand issues. I know all right well. Let's get into this week. Show where we're going to talk about the playstation five. Hi everyone. welcome to gadget lab. I am michael calorie senior editor at wired. And i'm laurin good senior writer at wired. We have full house here today. I let's welcome. Wired's service editor alan henry. Allan hi hello. Welcome back to the show We have you on. Sony's new game console is a big deal and you know a lot about it. Even though it's only been out for a few months it's still nearly impossible to get. He s five in a moment. We're going to bring in some of our own colleagues who've been trying to get their hands on one with mixed results. But i alan if you would please tell us what is new about this console and what makes it. Such a hot commodity. Well it's a really great new console in the first station for like what seven years i mean. Four k gaming is a thing. The controller is awesome has plenty of new titles. I mean not as many as arguably it should've launched with but there are some great new games for it and in general people just wanted a new playstation. There's a lot of hype and build up prior to its launch. That may people really really line up and be like a preorder that thing but as far as why. It's such a hot commodity. It's kind of counterintuitive right. The real reason it's a hot commodity is because it's so difficult to get and the people who do seem to have them are scalpers and people who are selling them for above retail price. So they're all these convoluted systems and tools and things you can do to try and score one or you can head over to craigslist and spend a whole bunch of money to a shady guy who has like twenty in the back of a van scarcity is real but it's also the scarcity that's that's pushing demand exactly Interesting so allen. Do you know anyone who's been able to get a ps five. Yes i do know a few people who've been able to get a ps five an emphasis on the few and that is also not including me and not because of trying honestly said to myself. I'm not a jump on a console at launch kind of person. I'm very much a hey the. Ps fives about to come out. Now's a good time for me to buy a ps four. That's how i shot. So i haven't been part of the rat race but i have been watching it from afar so speaking of the rat race our very own. Geoffrey van camp who edits wired reviews. Section is one of those people who've been trying to get a ps five. Geoffrey you there. Hello hijacked jeff good of ear. Please tell us. When did you first start trying to buy one of these things. And how did it go. I don't know there's a good time to really start trying to buy one of these eh. i. I didn't want one. This kind of goes back. What allen was saying. You know there aren't a lot of exclusive games has a controller. I have a four k. Tv but i can also do most everything on it that i can on my. Ps four but Some friends and family slowly started getting them. The preorders seemed to sell out really quick Kind began to get the fomo. So this jeff. Somewhere on black. Friday i think i started which is probably the worst time to start trying to get a playstation or really anything so yeah i tried The first place i tried was best. Buy and of course being in the pandemic normal. You might think about going to a store but everything is online This year so Yeah i tried that and it was one of the worst probably paying experiences. I've ever had the site completely froze. They kind of make you wait. You don't know if you should be refreshing your browser or just waiting for it to pop up there like playstations will drop in in a minute here. There's some dots near where the add to cart button is And then it just kind of stays gray and you're waiting for it to turn yellow and then eventually it does and it says oh. Sorry you're already sold out. Did you start seeing other stores. Yes so i tried I tried that. I got the app. Did a few more drops then. I began learning more Started going at game. Stop walmart Sony does these online cues. So i tried there The more i tried them. I failed quicker. It seemed and Just kind of wanted more. This is planned but I kind of figured you know still. It was all due to christmas. But january is rolled around and it's was still insanely difficult to get Even after kind of the holiday. Buzz were off by middle of january. I have multiple twitter. Alerts going. I've got chrome extensions digging like during meetings like we could be filming this. Might it might go off saying there's a drop coming and ten minutes Yeah it's kinda getting a failing to get a playstation five is kind of a regular part of my workweek though. So what you're saying is that you started getting dings and alerts on your phone and you look at it. Really excited and say oh. It's just a vaccine appointment. It's not that he s five. Yeah right right. Not what i want all right. Well that all sounds like a nightmare for you jeff. And as we know you're not alone. You're not even alone on our staff because wired zone games editor. Sarah mueller has also been trying to procure a ps five. Welcome to the show. Sira high happy to be here. Thank you for being on the show. Walk us through this. Why is it so hard to get a. Ps five right now and tell us about what your experience has been. Yeah it's really hot. I think for a few reasons and playstation hasn't really exactly said why so there. There are a lot of theories running rampant on the internet as you can imagine as is kind of typical A lot of people are saying. It's because sony is publicly doing this right like they are selling every single playstation that goes out to market and that's great for them There's a lot of buzz about the playstation right now which is also good for them. I think part of it could be pandemic related right like there is very much a shortage on a lot of things to do with tech right now if you think about graphics cards. Pc's so it could be related to that could be just a distribution issue right like some of these pods are getting made in parts of the world war factories. Shut down right now. Maybe they can't make as many as they would have otherwise So there's not one good answer for that question. Unfortunately and so he's not speaking to it and probably smartly so on their part because they getting everything that they want out of this. I would say so. What has your personal experience. I can trying to get one of these. Yeah so my personal experience actually started with. Jvc here Seeing jv struggle a getting a ps five was kind of what got me to stop trying to get my own pius listeners. That is jeff van kamp who you heard from just a moment ago. I think it was also a little bit of the social media hype right like so around. Christmas would seal these people unboxing playstations and they were just so excited and it was like this huge thing and similar to allen. I wasn't planning on getting one straight away. You know. I was thinking maybe toward the end of the year when horizon forbidden west comes out. Maybe that's when i'll give it a go and i'll get one but yeah watching watching. Jbc struggle. i was like you know what i'm gonna try and do this to. Maybe i can get him one and then he doesn't have to keep trying so i didn't start early started. I think around mid january And i believe it was because jeff posted that you know there was a drop about to happen so it was like all right. Let's go in this. Let's do this. And i made it all the way to the court. I had it in my god. I was trying to pay and it failed because it was like. Oh this one store no longer has any try this other store and so i tried that store and it was like this. Dong has an try. This third store by the time. I tried the third store it was sold out so i most. I was so very close. I almost got one that. I try but just just missed out. We'll even say that there's there's there's stock in those stores but you click and it's just a false false alarm like to complain. Apparently complaining a little too loudly. Everybody everybody about my quest and it is a quest- there's very much a quest is just like. Is this the kind of thing where you have to wake up in the middle of the night and have your like your your cursor poised and ready to go on the inventory or like other. They're back channels of tips when the next stop is going to happen like how. How nutty is getting. Yes so i would say a lot of people did stay up overnight when i dropped to get in line to wait but that's no longer really a thing. Most of the drops tend to happen in the middle of the day actually There are definitely some secret back channels and things we can get into that a little bit more more later. If you'd like. But i do have some tips and some ah insights into two secret ways people getting these playstations and one of the big problems. I'll tease out. Now is there are a lot of scalpers and butts and they just scooping them all up and then reselling them at a much higher value now sarah. Did you consider temporarily going back to australia ahead of the curve from a time zone perspective and getting when wow way yeah i mean with covid. Unfortunately it is very hard to travel back to australia right now. As many people probably know australia new zealand did covid very well. And i'm not even worried about my parents. No one was mosques restaurants. Basel been because they're only letting in australian citizens or permanent residents and limiting limiting the amount of people. That can come in every week. I had actually looked at going back to australia for the holidays. Because it's somewhere over there in seattle. It's raining and cold. It would've cost me ten thousand dollars back at ps five exactly. So i don't know. I might as well just buy a bunch of scalloped ones for that amount and then resell them at ohio value. So all right well. Let's take a quick break when we come back. We're going to get to some of those tips that we've been talking about support for this. Podcast comes from goldman sachs what goldman sachs experts and leading thinkers have to say about trends shaping markets industries and the global economy. Stay informed with the latest insights from goldman sachs on the economic and market implications of covid nineteen available on our podcast at yes dot com slash cove nineteen or any of your favorite podcast platforms. Okay so scoring. New console is incredibly difficult but some people are actually getting them. Maybe they're just lucky. Maybe they know somebody. Maybe they know something that we don't but there have to be ways to tip the odds in one's favor so alan we'd like to go back to you first. Please share with us all of your gold tips on how to score. Ps five well. Considering i don't have one by golden tips might be a little bronze. But i'll try anyway. I mean honestly. My suggestion is to have an inside source like not somebody inside like at sony. Obviously but like a friend who works at walmart or has a friend who works at game. Stop or something like that. They will obviously be the first people to know when there's going to be dropping. Exactly how many are going to be available at x. Store or why location. And maybe if you're really lucky and have a little extra cash you can convince them to put one aside for you or let you know when they're going to be available so you can actually get one. Ideally make a network of friends who are all looking for playstations like like cyrus Jeff here like i guarantee you that. Unbeknownst to the rest of us they probably have some kind of suicide pact in which one of them will buy a well to police station. Fives and if the other one didn't get in on it then they'll just sell the spare to their friend and try and find people that you can do that with. That's my best best best advice especially if like these drops are happening at like three. Pm eastern or nine am eastern and you have to work like a normal human. Then you know they might have time to sit and refresh something while you don't. That's all i got though sira. I'm sure you have tips though. What are your tips. Yeah so so. This is actually quite funny. 'cause i remember there was another drop at the start of february and i tried really hard to get one. I think i made it all the way through to the cot again. But i didn't manage just on so i tweeted out. This meme about like you know the walmart's site showing the a bunch of playstations will become available at x. Time in its that me. Move that guy staring at the computer screen like avidly just waiting right and one of my friends one of my former co op is. I'm not gonna mention who and you'll see why in a second but he. He slid into those defense and he was like bra. You should've told me you will looking for a playstation five. And then he sent me a screenshot of an order that he had where there were like three playstations. He'd grabbed and i was like. Oh my gosh what is this also like. Did you not buy this for yourself and your friends. He's like no. I've been purchasing like a bunch of them. I purchased like twenty in the past couple of months to flip. Darned hate me. And i was just like mind blown like i can't get one. Jbc caveat one. Everyone's struggling how have you managed to get twenty playstations in the last few months listener him so upset right. he's telling them at a mark it was he was selling them at a mockup markup. Ask him so you want to know the same way i can seconding allen said okay please continue. Yes so he is like well. Let me tell you my secrets. Little pod one. And i was like all right hit me. I wanna hear how you doing this. And he was like they're discord service secret. Discord service of insight is who let you know when a drop is about to happen and sometimes they give you these secret links that will put the item directly into your cot. So you don't even have to sit in the line and then you can just check out immediately so he then sent me these two links one for the disc version one for the digital edition and was like give this ago. There's going to be another dropping like five minutes. So i gave it a goal like you said went straight into my caught. Unfortunately i was like a little bit late to it. Because i wasn't checking my messages because it was the middle of the workday. Spike was walking by the time i went to do it. It was it was sold out. But i can confirm that. It does work. And as he said he's had twenty so. Wow secrets secrets secrets. Yeah is the quibbling actually just tipping people off to the timing or is it. Is it a sort of coded in such a way that it gives you the advantage because of your skipping this step of putting it in your car yeah. So it's it's a link directly to whichever side it is and it is just a way to completely skip and have it automatically in your car. Got it okay. Yeah jeff did you come across any tips that you felt were worthy enough to be able to pass onto our listeners. I didn't have one of those links. But i would say if you're going to try the old fashioned way or the honest way. I guess my tips would be and again. I've failed to get one for months so these aren't really too much but Signing up for chrome extension alerts. I got a thing called shop which let me Get dings from Best buy walmart scheme. Stop whenever they're about to drop playstations warriors sixty four some different. Ps five stock alerts on twitter. You can set those two auto send you notifications Usually these happen somewhere between wednesday and friday each week middle of the day to three pm. Not not that i would know. I'm very busy working. But i would say the best tip i i would have would be apparently to complain. A lot are show your frustration to your friends Because i just noticed the other day My wife was even I gotta ding for a ps five. Drop and i heard from across the room where my wife was working and she felt so bad for me. She was trying to get a playstation as well Had some friends apparently trying as well so just use your network whatever network you happen to have a really heart warming love story jeff. In the time of corona. It was very very sweet. I've i i hate bothering you. Know it's already interrupting. Maybe my day. A little bit Opening tab and clicking refresh a couple times at two pm or whenever it is but it was very nice of her to do that. And just to be clear when we say we're using our networks we as journalists are not using our networks within the tech industry to get these consoles. Jeff and sarah are both talking about their friends networks and people who are just generally hovering on the internet and hanging on the internet or able to like you know set up alerts for buying things and that kind of thing. Exactly what you're saying is i should not. Dm the pr lead at sony and asking that is correct. Although i mean we do sometimes take loners but then we return them. You know at this point allen. I would say that probably the best thing to do is delete that. Dm that you sent a few weeks. i'm going to go. We should note that. We have a story on wired that offers tips about how to snag a playstation five. It's called how to snag a playstation five. Good luck and you can read about it on wired and we'll put a link to that story in the show notes for this episode. Okay so what was. Actually the result of all of your efforts. Did anyone here on the pod end up with. I'll start because i already alluded to the answer. I do not have playstation five. I haven't even really been trying. Because i feel like it's hopeless so i wrote about you. Did you get one. Yeah so this same friend. I was talking about actually got a disk. Addition which is the addition that i want and it is arriving in a few weeks so he is shipping it to me and selling it to me at cost. He is not upcharging before it. So thank you to said friend who. I will not name for a very obvious reason. Obvious reasons and what about you. Jeff actually happy to report a friend who i believe would through standard channels in another state managed to get one just a couple of days ago At the same time. I failed to get one and so i should be getting one this weekend Which is which is exciting. I don't know if i even wanted anymore. It was more fun when i was searching. I feel you actually. I feel like it was more fun to be part of the game. This became the ira game of twenty twenty one and now that i've liked got it locked in almost like a little bit. I know disappointed. I don't know if that's the right word. They're strong replay value on this game. Absolutely not the good news is it should last for seven years. I feel like if you're one of those people who gamed the system a managed to get a ps five or multiple. Ps fives as is the case with cyrus friend that you should now be obligated to like. Put the same effort into getting your elderly or vulnerable neighbor. A vaccine shot just have to like focus. You know you're like okay. I have the twenty five stacked up here. That i'm selling it at a at a markup i need to now put some good into the world. I honestly thought you were about to say you should put that effort into getting your elderly neighbors. A ps five. And i would say that the vaccine is slightly more important than the ps. I would say your skills. The skills i've learned in trying to get a ps five and most failing myself but they getting vaccine at least here in. Oklahoma has been a remarkably similar process. At least in the early stages go to a site. Wait for a drop. Try to schedule an appointment. It's all the same these days but the question is are there alerts the you can set up to be notified when a vaccine drop is about to happen and the answer to this is no. Who's gramma has set up the that's gotta get in those vaccine discords. Yes all right. Well thank you all three of you for joining us this week. let's take a quick break and when we come back we'll do our recommendations all right so now is the portion of the show where we each Tell our listeners. About a thing that we like that we think that they would like to sira. Let's start with you. What is your recommendation. Okay so my recommendation. This week is a little bit off the wall. I tried something yesterday for the first time that i've never done before and to say it was an experience an understatement. Obviously given the lines right now. That's most important. But i did cryotherapy yesterday in which you stand in this. I don't know box tube thing this is one of the ones where your head is outside of said box tube thing but it sprays you with hydrogen. I'd i actually remember the specifics of how this works. But it basically cools down your body temperature like ridiculously like it can get down to minus one hundred fifty degrees. I believe when i was reading the thing. But you're in. This is three minutes and it's supposed to have all these various health health benefits but even just as an experience it was. It was very interesting. And i would recommend it just purely for the experience. How did it make you feel cold. Very very cold but like lizard invigorating. Yeah so it was actually funny. So i get like restless leg syndrome sometimes and i haven't had it for a really long time but about half an hour. After this i was sitting on the couch watching the great british bake off actually and my legs started to feel really like tinguely like they would clearly like getting worked up all like working through something and it was just interesting to see like the effects that it kept having down the road but coming straight out of it you feel super tinguely. A little bit numb. It's really putting on your clothes because you can't feel anything basically but yeah. I don't know what the long term benefits are. I'm gonna give it a go again but it was definitely definitely something be as cold is is the short answer to that question. And i'm glad that you had a positive experience. So far i will say that one of my favourite outside magazine profiles in recent years was a profile of dave asprey. The person who created bulletproof coffee and the whole bulletproof brands and the writer went to go visit bulletproof. Labs which is basically this whole biohacking facility in santa monica and while the writer was there. You know there's a whole section of the lab sets crow cryotherapy spa area and And so you know the like. They're walking around the labs and the and aspreys talking about like how great this is like the writer. Is there when this like thirty something year old guy like emerges from the cryotherapy booth and just boom passes out and literally rights. I'm standing near bulletproof. Client a man in his late. Thirties passes out during a session. He tumbles out of the booth. Torso frosted face. Ashen is rolling up into it. Said this is not funny. Ultimately the person was okay from a writing perspective. It's like just imagine being that writer there at that moment when that happens and like i like to imagine like the public relations team behind the scenes just like losing their minds but I it's like it's totally interesting stuff and once again going to come back to. Sarah glad you're okay did not tumble out of the cryotherapy booth. Having passed out from the experience. Thank you yes no thankfully that did not happen to me. I actually i did at the lowest setting to start off with since it was my first time and not to brag or anything but she said i did really well and that maybe i should go up another level next time. So maybe i think is crossed. It won't happen but maybe that will happen to me next time and not not level up the chill alan. What is your recommendation. Well i swear. I didn't come up with this because we were talking about it. But my recommendation is discord. I've actually been having way more fun in discord joining various discords based on different interests. Recently than i could ever have hoped. I joined a discord a long time ago because it was just a cute little way to keep track of friends and chat with them from time to time For those people who aren't familiar with this cord but are for example. Maybe familiar with slack. it's slack for gamers but despite also comes with a bunch of additional features that are focused not on collaborating on work but instead having fun together so there are voice channels that you dip in and your mic is automatically on and you just chat with somebody. It's kind of like having an actual phone call without the anxiety and then you can host watch parties. You can share your screen. You can stream whatever video game you're playing or whatever you're doing on your computer to other people who can then jump in and keep a watch and hang out with you. I've seen people stream games. I've seen people stream art. I've seen people just stream like their writing process. It's a lot of fun. And there discords for lots of different interests. Entertainment properties whatever. You might be nice and is there a client. Oh yes yes. I mean You can use it on the web for sure but it is also available mac windows ios android free free super free although they will nag you to buy nitro which aw gives you some extra perks depending on the servers that you join But you know give it a try first before you decide. You want to spend one hundred dollars a year on the freemium stuff. Okay all right. Well thank you. Jeff what is your recommendation. Yeah thought i would have a you know. I was thinking of some fun tech. I can do but really the only thing i've wanted and desired the whole past week has been A snow shovel side decided that no matter where you live whether you're in california the desert texas anywhere. I'm in oklahoma. You need a snow shovel so we've gotten about Close to a foot of snow in the last few days or last week or so and All i've had a rake literally had to rake parts of my front porch and a portion of my driveway. is particularly futile. Way to to get rid of snow So they're all sold out here during this this snowstorm but with With the climate the way it is going. I recommend everybody get whatever the first snow shovel. Uc's make sure it has a good lip at the top. It's going to be the new game of twenty twenty one. Twenty twenty was get the toilet paper. Get the clorox now everything. Yeah get the masks now now. The snow shovels. Yeah we need the secret discord links to snow. Shovels would be great. Do you have those so. I don't unfortunately maybe. I need to do some searching on discord and find those. Find their service to join. I'll pass on the secret links to you. abc warren. what would you like to share with us. Well to jeff's note. I know that we've had a lot of fun talking about getting expensive gadgets. Like the ps five during the show but there is deadly frigid weather and the southern half of the united states this week and in particular it's hitting texas really hard and i mean people are freezing and it has led to people dying. The electricity is out. it's incredibly challenging so i'm going to link to a list from cbs. In the show notes of different ways that you can help. Texas residents right now whether that's donating to mutual funds or other national aid organizations Foodbanks different disaster released relief organizations even helping animals and need As well as journalists go checkout papers like the texas tribune which is a nonprofit newspaper I mean journalists are also working through really challenging conditions to tell of the stories of what's going on right now so We'll link to that in the show notes and Yeah is my recommendation for this week. Nice mike what's your recommendation. This week i'm going to recommend a television show. It's a show that we have been enjoying over the last couple of weeks. It's called hamilton's pharmacopoeia. it originally aired on vice of the first two seasons The third season is out now. just dropped You know earlier this year so you can find the first. Two seasons on hulu and the third season is available on amazon prime video. So it's a show about drugs Basically the host hamilton. Morris is a chemist that he's a working chemist who has been obsessed with psychoactive substances his whole career so he spends each episode diving into the history and the culture around a specific substance. He also tries to synthesize it so he gets together With people who make things like the mt l. s. t. Pcp ketamine You know you name it He's done a show on it and get together with somebody who makes it. Usually these people are working outside of the law and They talk about how hard it is synthesize it and they also talk about some of the effects. In some cases he actually ingest the drug on camera. it's a fun show. It's also very serious show. it's also very nerdy show Really surprised at how much you learn about like you know or ganic. Chemistry watching this show. Also much you learn about drug policy Around the world because he travels to different countries to talk about some of the substances. So i can highly recommend it highly recommend it hamilton's pharmacopoeia streaming near you excellent. Yeah all right well. That was a fun. Show thank you to sira to alan into jeff for joining us. Talking about your. Ps five experiences. Thanks for having me. Thanks for having me of course and thank you all for listening feedback for us. You can find all of us on twitter. just check the show notes. This show is produced by boone. Ashworth and we will be back next week goodbye. Millions of moving pieces connecting and protecting our world as one is impossible until it's not from command centers to autonomous aircrafts. 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"Millions of moving pieces connecting and protecting our world as one is impossible until it's not from command centers to thomas aircrafts northrop. Grumman is uniting all systems to act as one see how we're connecting the joint forces at njit dot com slash as one lauren. Mike lauren if you tried to get well you know. Have you tried to get one of those. Oh one of those well. I would expect that. I'm hearing it's limited to certain groups right now and it's it's just really hard to go online and figure out how to get one. Yeah i know. I can't believe we waited this long. And now there are supply and demand issues. I know all right well. Let's get into this week. Show where we're going to talk about the playstation five. Hi everyone. welcome to gadget lab. I am michael calorie senior editor at wired. And i'm laurin good senior writer at wired. We have full house here today. I let's welcome. Wired's service editor alan henry. Allan hi hello. Welcome back to the show We have you on. Sony's new game console is a big deal and you know a lot about it. Even though it's only been out for a few months it's still nearly impossible to get. He s five in a moment. We're going to bring in some of our own colleagues who've been trying to get their hands on one with mixed results. But i alan if you would please tell us what is new about this console and what makes it. Such a hot commodity. Well it's a really great new console in the first station for like what seven years i mean. Four k gaming is a thing. The controller is awesome has plenty of new titles. I mean not as many as arguably it should've launched with but there are some great new games for it and in general people just wanted a new playstation. There's a lot of hype and build up prior to its launch. That may people really really line up and be like a preorder that thing but as far as why. It's such a hot commodity. It's kind of counterintuitive right. The real reason it's a hot commodity is because it's so difficult to get and the people who do seem to have them are scalpers and people who are selling them for above retail price. So they're all these convoluted systems and tools and things you can do to try and score one or you can head over to craigslist and spend a whole bunch of money to a shady guy who has like twenty in the back of a van scarcity is real but it's also the scarcity that's that's pushing demand exactly Interesting so allen. Do you know anyone who's been able to get a ps five. Yes i do know a few people who've been able to get a ps five an emphasis on the few and that is also not including me and not because of trying honestly said to myself. I'm not a jump on a console at launch kind of person. I'm very much a hey the. Ps fives about to come out. Now's a good time for me to buy a ps four. That's how i shot. So i haven't been part of the rat race but i have been watching it from afar so speaking of the rat race our very own. Geoffrey van camp who edits wired reviews. Section is one of those people who've been trying to get a ps five. Geoffrey you there. Hello hijacked jeff. Good to be here. Please tell us. When did you first start trying to buy one of these things. And how did it go. I don't know there's a good time to really start trying to buy one of these eh. i. I didn't want one. This kind of goes back. What allen was saying. You know there aren't a lot of exclusive games has a controller. I have a four k. Tv but i can also do most everything on it that i can on my. Ps four but Some friends and family slowly started getting them. The preorders seemed to sell out really quick Kind began to get the fomo. So this jeff. Somewhere on black. Friday i think i started which is probably the worst time to start trying to get a playstation or really anything so yeah i tried The first place i tried was best. Buy and of course being in the pandemic normal. You might think about going to a store but everything is online This year so Yeah i tried that and it was one of the worst probably paying experiences. I've ever had the site completely froze. They kind of make you wait. You don't know if you should be refreshing your browser or just waiting for it to pop up there like playstations will drop in in a minute here. There's some dots near where the add to cart button is And then it just kind of stays gray and you're waiting for it to turn yellow and then eventually it does and it says oh. Sorry you're already sold out. Did you start seeing other stores. Yes so i tried I tried that. I got the app. Did a few more drops then. I began learning more Started going at game. Stop walmart Sony does these online cues. So i tried there The more i tried them. I failed quicker. It seemed and Just kind of wanted more. I don't know this is planned but I kind of figured you know still. It was all due to christmas. But january is rolled around. And it's was still insanely difficult to get Even after kind of the holiday. Buzz were off by middle of january. I have multiple twitter. Alerts going. I've got chrome extensions digging like during meetings like we could be filming this. Might it might go off saying there's a drop coming and ten minutes Yeah it's kinda getting a failing to get a playstation five is kind of a regular part of my workweek though. So what you're saying is that you started getting dings and alerts on your phone and you look at it. Really excited to say oh. It's just a vaccine appointment. It's not that he s five. Yeah right right. Not what i want all right. Well that all sounds like a nightmare for you jeff. And as we know you're not alone. You're not even alone on our staff because wired zone games editor. Sarah mueller has also been trying to procure a ps five. Welcome to the show. Sira high happy to be here. Thank you for being on the show. Walk us through this. Why is it so hard to get a. Ps five right now and tell us about what your experience has been. Yeah it's really hot. I think for a few reasons and playstation hasn't really exactly said why so there. There are a lot of theories running rampant on the internet as you can imagine as is kind of typical A lot of people are saying. It's because sony is publicly doing this right like they are selling every single playstation that goes out to market and that's great for them There's a lot of buzz about the playstation right now which is also good for them. I think part of it could be pandemic related right like there is very much a shortage on a lot of things to do with tech right now if you think about graphics cards. Pc's so it could be related to that. It could be just a distribution issue right like some of these pods are getting made in parts of the world war factories. Shut down right now. Maybe they can't make as many as they would have otherwise So there's not one good answer for that question. Unfortunately and so he's not speaking to it and probably smartly so on their part because they getting everything that they want out of this. I would say so. What has your personal experience. I can trying to get one of these. Yeah so my personal experience actually started with. Jvc here Seeing jv struggle a getting a ps five was kind of what got me to stop trying to get my own pius listeners. That is jeff van kamp who you heard from just a moment ago. I think it was also a little bit of the social media hype right like so around. Christmas would seal these people unboxing playstations and they were just so excited and it was like this huge thing and similar to allen. I wasn't planning on getting one straight away. You know. I was thinking maybe toward the end of the year when horizon forbidden west comes out. Maybe that's when i'll give it a go and i'll get one but yeah watching watching. Jbc struggle. i was like you know what i'm gonna try and do this to. Maybe i can get him one and then he doesn't have to keep trying so i didn't start early started. I think around mid january And i believe it was because jeff posted that you know there was a drop about to happen so it was like all right. Let's go in this. Let's do this. And i made it all the way to the court. I had it in my god. I was trying to pay and it failed because it was like. Oh this one store no longer has any try this other store and so i tried that store and it was like this. Dong has an try. This third store by the time. I tried the third store it was sold out so i most. I was so very close. I almost got one that. I try but just just missed out. We'll even say that there's there's there's stock in those stores but you click and it's just a false false alarm like to complain. Apparently complaining a little too loudly. Everybody everybody about my quest and it is a quest- there's very much a quest is just like. Is this the kind of thing where you have to wake up in the middle of the night and have your like your your cursor poised and ready to go on the inventory or like other. They're back channels of tips when the next strap is going to happen like how. How nutty is getting. Yes so i would say a lot of people did stay up overnight when i dropped to get in line to wait but that's no longer really a thing. Most of the drops tend to happen in the middle of the day actually There are definitely some secret back channels and things we can get into that a little bit more more later. If you'd like. But i do have some tips and some ah insights into two secret ways people getting these playstations and one of the big problems. I'll tease out. Now is there are a lot of scalpers and butts and they just scooping them all up and then reselling them at a much higher value now sarah. Did you consider temporarily going back to australia ahead of the curve from a time zone perspective and getting when wow way yeah i mean with covid. Unfortunately it is very hard to travel back to australia right now. As many people probably know australia new zealand did covid very well. And i'm not even worried about my parents. No one was mosques and basel been because they're only letting in australian citizens or permanent residents and limiting limiting the amount of people that can come in every week. I had actually looked at going back to australia for the holidays. Because it's somewhere over there in seattle. It's raining and cold. It would've cost me ten thousand dollars back at ps five exactly. So i don't know. I might as well just buy a bunch of scalloped ones for that amount and then resell them at ohio value. So all right well. Let's take a quick break when we come back. We're going to get to some of those tips that we've been talking about in this villian world. The internet of things facilitates convenience and ease for the us armed forces. It can save critical time for personnel. Both on the ground and in flight russian roader from northrop grumman explained bacon or battlefield airborne communications node to wired brand lab. It really provides situational awareness of information that they might not readily be able to see within their line of sight. This secure capability is just one example of how northrop grumman is opening the door. For the internet of military things we have events way for him technologies insertion of ai. An emerging com's networking technologies that we really try to bring to the equation and build upon some of the commercial applications that exist commercial applications like the use of directional maps to better navigate. While you're on the road. I turn on my ways math application. It shows me all the information and the data sharing information. So if there's a raft or traffic ahead it suggested different route and all of it is sort of happening simultaneously right. The devices interconnected people are working together to see that same information to give us a better understanding of what's around me and it's up to date relevant information that helps me make different decisions. That sort of capability you imagine that on the battlefield will be significantly enhance the picture because of the internet of things technologies to keep our men and women safe so it really provides same data that the civilian world to help people execute their mission more effectively learn more and discover how northrop grumman is connecting our joint forces at nyc dot com slash as one okay so scoring. New console is incredibly difficult but some people are actually getting them. Maybe they're just lucky. Maybe they know somebody. Maybe they know something that we don't but there have to be ways to tip the odds in one's favor so alan we'd like to go back to you first. Please share with us all of your golden tips on how to score. Ps five well. Considering i don't have one by golden tips might be a little bronze. But i'll try anyway. I mean honestly my best suggestion an inside source like not somebody inside like at sony. Obviously but like a friend who works at walmart or has a friend who works at game. Stop or something like that. They will obviously be the first people to know when there's going to be a drop in exactly how many are going to be available at x. Store or y location. And maybe if you're really lucky and have a little extra cash you can convince them to put one aside for you or let you know when they're going to be available so you can actually go get one. Ideally make a network of friends who are all looking for playstations like like sira jeff year. I guarantee you that unbeknownst to the rest of us they probably have some kind of suicide pact in which one of them will buy a while to playstation fives. And if the other one didn't get in on it then they'll just sell the the spare to end and try and find people that you can do that with. That's my best best best advice especially if like these drops are happening at like three. Pm eastern or nine am eastern and you have to work like a normal human than you know. They might have time to sit and refresh something while you don't that's all. I got sira tips though. What what are your tips. Yes so so. This is actually quite funny because I remember there was another drop at the start of february and i tried really hard to get one. I think i made it all the way through to the cot again but I didn't manage this nagwa. So i tweeted out. This meme about like the walmart's site. A bunch of playstations will become available at x. time and that means that guy staring at the computer screen like avidly just waiting right And one of my friends one of my co. i'm not gonna mention who and you'll see why in a second but he. He slid into those. Dm's and he was like bra. You should have told me you will looking for a playstation five and then he sent me a screenshot of an order that he had where there were like three playstations that he had grabbed and i was like. Oh my gosh what is this also like. Did you not buy this for yourself and your friends. He's like no. I've been purchasing like a bunch of them. I purchase like twenty in the past couple of months to flip. Darned hate me and i was just like the mind blown like i can't get one. Jbc con get one everyone's struggling. How have you managed to get twenty playstations. In the last few months listener so upset right selling them at a mark was selling them at a mockup markup. I didn't actually ask him. So you want to know the same way. Seconding would allen said okay please. Yes so he is like well. Let me tell you my secrets. Little pod one. And i was like all right hit me. I want to hear how you doing this. And he was like they're discord service. Discords of of insight is who let you know when a drop is about to happen and sometimes they give you these secret links that will put the item directly into cot. So you don't even have to sit in the line and then you can just checkout immediately so then sent me these two links one for the disc version one of the digital edition and was like give this go. There's going to be another dropping like five minutes. So i gave it a goal like you said went straight into my caught. Unfortunately i was like a little bit late to it. Because i wasn't checking my messages because it was the middle of the workday so i was walking by the time i went to do it was it was sold out but i can't confirm that it does work and as he said he's had twenty so. Wow secrets secrets secrets. Yeah it's the disgruntling actually just tipping people off to the timing or is it. Is it a sort of coded in such a way that it gives you the advantage because of your skipping this step of putting it in your car yes. So it's it's a link directly to whichever cited is and it is just a way to completely skip and automatically in your caught. Got it okay. Yeah jeff did you come across any tips that you felt were worthy enough to be able to pass onto our listeners. I didn't have one of those links but I would say if you're going to you know try it the old fashioned way. The honest way. I guess my tips would be and again. I've failed to get one for months so these aren't really worth too much but Signing up for chrome extension alerts. I got a thing called shop which let me get dings from best. Buy walmart scheme. Stop whenever they're about to drop some playstations Are yo- sixty four seven. Ps five stock. Alerts on you can set those two auto send you notifications Usually these happened somewhere between wednesday and friday each week middle of the day to three pm not not that i would know very busy working but i would say the best tip. I would have would be apparently to complain a lot. Our show your frustration to your friends because i just noticed the other day My wife was even. I gotta ding for a ps five. Drop and i heard a ding from across the room where my wife was working and she had felt so bad for me. She was trying to get a playstation is well had some friends apparently trying well. So just use your network whatever network you happen to have a really heart. Warming love story jeff. In the time of of corona. It was very very sweet. I hate bothering you know. It's already interrupting. Maybe my day. A little bit Opening tab and clicking refresh a couple times at two pm or whenever it is but It was very nice of her to to do that. And just to be clear when we say we're using our networks we as journalists are not using our networks with tech industry to get these consoles. And sarah are both talking about their friends networks and people who are just generally hovering on the internet and hanging onto the internet able to like set up alerts for buying things in that kind of thing exactly. So what you're saying is i should not. Dm the pr lead at sony. And ask him to me. That is correct. Although i mean we do sometimes take loners but then we return them at this point allen. I would say that probably the best thing to do is delete that you sent a few weeks. I'm going to go. We should note that. We have story on wired that offers tips about how to snag playstation. Five it's called nag playstation five. Good luck and you can read about it on wired and we'll put a link to that story in the show notes for this episode. Okay so what was. Actually the result of all of your efforts. Did anyone here on the pod ended up with a ps fi. I'll start because i already alluded to the answer. I do not have a playstation five. I haven't even really been trying. Because i feel like it's hopeless. Siro wrote about you. did you get one. Yeah so this same friend. I was talking about actually got a disposition which is the addition that i want and it is arriving in a few weeks so he is shipping it to me and selling it to me at cost. He is not upcharging me for it so thank you to said friend who. I will not name for very obvious reasons. Mary obvious reasons. And what about you jeff. I'm actually happy to report a friend who i believe through standard channels in another state managed to get one just a couple of days ago At the same time. I failed to get one and So i should be getting one this weekend Which is which is exciting. I don't know if i even wanted anymore. It was more fun when i was searching. I feel you actually. I feel like it was more fun to be part of the game like this became the ira game of twenty twenty one and now that i liked got it locked in. I'm almost like a little bit disappointed. I don't know if that's the right word. They're strong replay value on this game. Absolutely not yeah. I mean the good news is it should last for seven years right. I feel like if you're one of those people who came to the system. You managed to get a ps five or multiple. Ps fives as is the case with cyrus friend that you should now be obligated to like. Put the same effort into getting your elderly of vaccine shot. Just have to like focus. You know you're like okay. I have the twenty five stacked up here. That i'm selling it at a at a markup any to now put some good into the world. I honestly thought you were about to say you should put that effort into getting your elderly neighbors. A ps five. Yeah i would say that the vaccine is slightly more important than the ps. I would say your skills. The skills i learned in trying to get a ps five and most failing myself but they getting vaccine at least here in. Oklahoma has been a remarkably similar process. At least in the early stages go to a site. Wait for drop. Try and schedule an appointment. It's all the same these days but the question is are there a lutts the you can set up to be notified when a vaccine drop is about to happen and i feel the answer to. This is no who's grandma has set up. that's what i gotta get in those vaccine discords. Well thank you all three of you for joining us this week. Let's take a quick break and when we come back we'll do recommendations all right so now is the portion of the show where we each Tell our listeners. About a thing that we like that we think that they would like to Sira let's start with you. What is your recommendation. Okay so my recommendation. This week is a little bit off the wall. I tried something yesterday for the first time that i've never done before. And to say it was an experience an understatement. Obviously given safety guidelines right. Now that's most important. But i did cryotherapy yesterday in which you stand in this. I don't know a box tube thing this is one of the ones where your head is outside of said box tube thing but it sprays you with hydrogen. I'd i actually don't remember the specifics of how this works. But it basically cools down your body temperature like ridiculously like it can get down to minus one hundred and fifty degrees. I believe when was reading the thing. But you're in that fifth three minutes and it's supposed to have all these various health health benefits but even just as an experience it was. It was very interesting. And i would recommend it just purely for the experience. How did it make you feel cold very very cold. Was it invigorating. Yeah so it was actually funny. So i get like restless leg syndrome sometimes and i haven't had it for a really long time but about half an hour after the assad was sitting on the couch watching the great british bake off actually and my legs started to feel really like tinguely like they would clearly like getting worked up all like working through something and it was just interesting to see like the effects that kept having down the road but coming straight out of it you feel super tinguely. A little bit numb. It's really putting on your clothes because you can't feel anything basically but yeah. I don't know what the long term benefits are. I'm gonna give it a go again but it was definitely definitely something be as cold is is the short answer to that. Question is and. I'm glad that you had a positive experience. So far i will say that one of my favorite outside magazine. Profiles in recent years was a profile of dave asprey. The person who created bulletproof coffee and like the whole bulletproof brands and the ryder went to go visit bulletproof labs which is basically this whole biohacking facility in santa monica and while the writer was there you know there. There's a whole section of the labs sets like crow cryotherapy spa area and And so like. They're walking around the labs and aspreys talking about like how great this is. The writer is there. When this like thirty something year old guy emerges from the cryotherapy booth and just oh passes out literally rights. I'm standing near bulletproof when a client. A man in his late thirties passes out during a session. He tumbles out of the booth. Torso frosted face ashen is rolling up into. It said. This is not funny. Ultimately the person was okay from a writing perspective. It's like just imagine being that writer there at that moment when that happens and like i like to imagine like the public relations team behind the scenes. Just losing their minds. But but i it's like it's totally interesting stuff and once again going to come back to sarah. I'm glad that you were okay. Not tumble out of the cryotherapy booth. Having passed out from the experience. Thank you know. thankfully that did not happen to me. I actually i did it at the lowest setting to start off with since it was my first time and not to brag or anything but she said i did really well and that maybe i should go up another level next time so maybe fingers crossed. It won't happen but maybe that will happen to me next Let's hope not. Let's not level up the chill. Alan what is your recommendation. Well i swear. I didn't come up with this because we were talking about it. But my recommendation is discord. I've actually been having way more fun in discord joining various discords based on different interests. Recently than i could ever have hoped. I joined a discord a long time ago because it was just a cute little way to keep track of friends and chat with them from time to time For those people who aren't familiar with this cord but are for example. Maybe familiar with slack. It's slack for gamers but also comes with a bunch of additional features. That are focused not on collaborating on work but instead having fun together so there are voice. Channels that you dip in and your mic is automatically on and you just chat with somebody. It's kind of like having an actual phone call without the anxiety and then you can host watch parties. You can share your screen. You can stream whatever video game you're playing or whatever you're doing on your computer to other people who can then jump in and keep a watch in hang out with you. I've seen people stream games. I've seen people stream art. I've seen people just like their writing process. It's a lot of fun. And they're discords for lots of different interests entertainment properties whatever. You might be into nice and is there a client. Oh yes yes. I mean you can use it on the web for sure but it is also available mac windows ios android free free super free although they will nag you to buy nitro. Which shot gives you some extra perks depending on the servers that you join But you know give it a try first before you decide. You want to spend one hundred dollars a year on the freemium stuff. Okay all right. Well thank you. Jeff what is your recommendation. Yeah i thought. I would have a. I was thinking of some fun tack do but really the only thing i've wanted desired. The past week has been A snow shovel save. Decided that no matter where you live whether you're in california. The desert texas anywhere. I'm in oklahoma You need a snow shovel. We've gotten about Close to a foot of snow in the last few days Or less week or so and All i've had a rake literally had to rake parts of my front porch and a portion of my driveway which is particularly futile way to to get rid of snow So they're all sold out here during this this snowstorm but with With the climate the way it is going. I recommend everybody get whatever the snow shovel. Uc's make sure it has a good lip at the top. It's going to be the new game of twenty twenty one. Twenty twenty was great. I mean we have get the toilet paper. Get the clorox now everything. Yeah get the masks now now. The snow shovels yeah. We need the the secret discord links to snow. Shovels would be great. Do you have those so. I don't unfortunately maybe. I need to do some searching on discord and find those. Find their service to join. I'll pass on the secret links to you jay. Warren what would you like to share with us. Well to jeff's note. I know that we've had a lot of fun talking about getting expensive gadgets. Like the ps five during the show but there is deadly frigid weather and the southern half of the united states this week and in particular it's hitting texas really hard and i mean people are freezing and it has led to people dying. The electricity is out. It's incredibly challenging. So i'm going to link to list from. Cbs in the show notes. Different ways that you can help. Texas residents right now whether that's donating to mutual aid funds or other national aid organizations Foodbanks different disaster released relief organizations even You know helping animals and need As well as journalists go check out papers like the texas tribune Which is a nonprofit newspaper I mean journalists are also working through really challenging conditions to tell some of the stories of what's going on right now so We'll link to that in the show notes and yeah that is my recommendation for this week. Nice mike. what's your recommendation this week. I'm going to recommend a television show. It's a show that we have been enjoying over the last couple of weeks. It's called hamilton's pharmacopoeia. It originally aired on vice of the first two seasons The third season is out now. just dropped earlier this year so you can find the first. Two seasons on hulu and the third season is available on amazon prime video. So it's a show about drugs Basically the host hamilton. Morris is a chemist that he's a working chemist who has been obsessed with psychoactive substances his whole career so he spends each episode diving into the history and the culture around a specific substance. He also tries to synthesize it so he gets together with people who make things like d. m. t. l. s. t. pcp ketamine You know you name it He's done a show on it and get together with somebody who makes it. Usually these people are working outside of the law and They talk about how hard it is synthesize it and they also talk about some of the effects. In some cases he actually ingest the drug on camera. it's a fun show. It's also very serious show. it's also very nerdy show I was really surprised at how much you learn about like. You know organic chemistry watching this show and also how much you learn about drug policy around the world because he travels to different countries to to talk about some of the substances so I can highly recommend it. Highly recommend it hamilton's pharmacopoeia streaming near you excellent. Yeah all right well. that was a fun. Show thank you to sira to allen to jeff for joining us. Talking about your. Ps five experiences. Thanks for having me. Thanks for having me of course and thank you all for listening If you feedback for us you can find all of us on twitter. Just check the show notes. This show is produced by ashworth and we will be back next week. 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Would Cannibalism Have Been Calorically Worthwhile?
"Hello. I'm Anna Faris, and I'm Laurin Vogel bomb, and our show foodstuff all about these ci- history and culture food entering is relaunching as saver re along with our super producer Dilling Fagin are hitting the road to find the stories behind all the things we like to eat and drink. We will be talking to the culinary creators and eaters of the world to get to the bottom of why we like what we like. And how we can find more of those things on our first trip. We went to Asheville North Carolina a city that pulled itself out of a seventy year, economic depression with beer and food. New episodes will be coming out Wednesday and Friday on apple podcasts. Welcome to bring stuff from how stuff works. Hey, rain stuff. I'm more in vocal bomb, and you've likely heard of Palio diet, the trendy regimens name is short for paleolithic and supposedly mimics the nutrition of ancient humans who lived about ten thousand years ago, cave, people eight meats, seafoods nuts and a few fruits and vegetables. Oh, and one other food source that doesn't show up on today's protein focused food, blogs other people archaeologists in western Europe have evidence that the precursors to modern humans eight their neighbors during the paleo ethic era. Most experts though have debated whether cannibalism was essential for the survival of these hominids, or whether it was part of ritualistic ceremonies to be classified as nutritional cannibalism, the people that paleolithic clans eight needed to be well nutritious. So just how many calories are in thi- or an ear. Archaeologist James Cole of the university of Brighton in England decided to find out Bing of the diagrams of cattle and pigs that illustrate. Different cuts of meat Cole mapped out the human body, then determined caloric count within each segment showing how much energy they would transfer. If consumed the results were published in the journal scientific reports a thi-, for instance, contains a hefty thirteen thousand three hundred fifty calories while the spleen is a modest one hundred and thirty overall the average human body has anywhere from one hundred twenty five thousand to one hundred and forty four thousand consumable calories. Some parts may take longer to digest you'll rack up ten thousand two hundred eighty calories from humans going alone. While others are snack size like the kidneys and contain about three hundred and eighty calories. The brain spinal cord and nerves were thinking Stu would be the most appropriate cooking method. Here will provide you with two thousand seven hundred calories and the bones contain about twenty five thousand bone. Broth is so untrendy right now after all despite all this talk of ancient eating habits coal concluded that other humans were probably not a nutritive meal of choice compared to competing. Available food sources one single willy mammoth, for example, containing a whopping three point six million calories would have given an entire tribe food for about eight weeks a human on the other hand would have provided enough calories for tribe to subside for only half a day, leaving everyone to wonder what's for dinner after just a few hours. Cole concludes that because of the relatively meagre calorie counts of the human body people. Eight other people for social or cultural reasons not for their health. So modern paleo dieters can breathe a sigh of relief there. Recipe. Books should continue to skip this particular ingredient. Stays episode was written by Lori L dove and produced by Tyler clang for more on this and lots of other food for thought topics. Visit our home planet. How stuff works dot com. Hello. I'm Anna, and I'm Laurin Vogel bomb, and our show foodstuff all about these signs history and culture food entering is relaunching as saver re along with our super producer, dealing Fagin are hitting the road to find the stories behind all the things we like to eat and drink. We will be talking to the culinary creators and eaters of the world to get to the bottom of why we like what we liked and how we can find more of those things on our first trip. We went to Asheville North Carolina a city that pulled itself out of a seventy year, economic depression with beer and food. New episodes will be coming out Wednesday and Friday on apple podcasts.
The Cardamom Pod(cast)
"Today's episode is brought to you by christie's which has entire lines of baking mixes to help what you do in the kitchen. Easier and more fun. Which is something. I absolutely need. Because i've shared before on this very podcast that i struggled with the pancakes and my path so anything that makes it easier is great and when it comes to flavors i am chocolate chip person or blueberry person and i loved blueberry pancakes so much that when i was in college i got the nickname blueberry. They do sell a blueberry pancake. Mix but you can also get their standard mix and add whatever you want to it. It's really a creativity. Thought starter. Look christie's in your bacon. I'll and visit christie's dot com for some inspiration. Today that's k. R. u. s. t. e. as e. dot com support for. This podcast comes from paypal. Small business owner pay pal. Qr codes safe and easy payment option. It's all the security pay pal is known for online in person cash. Only qr codes. Allow you to accept credit or debit with everyday. Low fees no additional hardware or software needed. Use the app to generate your unique. Qr code customer scan your code with their pay pal app to pay you learn more at paypal dot com slash. Us slash get qr code. Hello and welcome favor. Production of iheartradio. I'm and i'm laurin vogel bomb and today or cardamom cardamom. Is that how you pronounce it cardamom. Yeah oh yeah you're right. I was pretty good an extra cardamom. It's there's a card mum is. There's there's three distinct syllables in there. I think i'm just kinda shortening it. Okay okay. Because i as might be clear i really know nothing about cardamom but many of you have written about about it and specifically the tea cardamom t sure yeah It is a frequent ingredient in In spiced teas. I love khartum. Often used it as a baking space. And i might order like kind of a lot of indian and bangladeshi delivery food so Like one of my favorite things is finding a whole cardamom pod in my rice and it just it just makes me feel like somebody cares about me like they were nice enough to put this whole cardamom pod in my rice while they were cooking it and it just it shows that they love me. I get that i get that. Sometimes you get delivery in your like whoever made this dish really put a lot of effort and care right makes her feel so so warm. Yes cared for well. I guess we should get to our question. Sure cardamom what is it well Cardamom is a bright flavored spice. That tastes kind of warm and cool at the same time. Combining this this range of flavors from lemony to minty to floral spicy hot with a little bit of sweetness. Offsetting all of those flavors. It can go kind of better Sometimes called the queen of spices. Kind of jellyfish musha. You're you're making i. I'm not sure why that was the motion. I liked it though. Thank you and i feel like recently. We've talked about the king of spices and we've talked about like king. I like people have to give these royal. Detonators to foods is what i'm trying to say. Yeah yeah not sure i. I saw multiple places. So i figured i would report on it but i didn't find any cool back stories. About why like a lot of the time they'll be like like well. It's because of this legend. I didn't read anything like that But yeah so cardamom plants are This group of tropical plants in the ginger family that's zinjibar. Aca to love saying yes. So so they grow rise homes underground off of which Some big leafy stems spring. Up in those stems will flower with these pretty colorful clusters of flowers and when pollinated usually by bees they then produce at bunches of small fibrous pods containing many seeds And not like many many like several to many ish like fifteen to twenty. okay. I like okay. Not many many many many issues. Now we've got it. Those seeds carry the most flavor and are like the operative part of the plant used for cooking though like ginger. The whole plant contains some of the compounds gave the seeds there. Intense flavors There are three main genus. That wind up getting called cardamom. Latorre cardamom is green. Cardamom sometimes called true cardamom. There's a couple of species within am-among or ammonium that are called black cardamoms and Several species within africa are called african cardamoms. Green cardamom is the kind most likely to be found outside of the areas. It's grown the pods are like a little smaller than a kidney. Bean or like a shelled almond ish size maybe with green Kinda kinda wrinkled shaped like a slightly deflated. Three sided football. Yeah and the pods do contain fifteen. To twenty small black seeds white cardamom just green cardamom that been bleached for one reason or another usually. Because i'm it's a slightly lower quality pod that came out kindness blotchy rather than like a nice even green. This type of cardamom is used in sweet dishes and drinks. In north africa the middle east and south asia plus in south and southeast asian massalas in curries and not european winter holiday. Cookies and sweet breads yes. I like how you're pointing at me. As though i am child. Who is perhaps the best attention i'm listening. I just trying to envision these taste. I feel like i've definitely had to have had it. I can't pinpoint it. It's it's just a it's a little bit hard to describe because it is. I got this warming like almost gingery kind of heat. But then also this cooling and a menthol like like bitterness at the same time and then a little bit of like citrus and floral in there so Select going on there is there is there is a lot going on at It's sorta smells like a. I mean me. It smells like a delightful perfumes. My favorite perfumes do contain cardamom And yeah. I don't know i'm not married. No you are helping. I think it. I think it really does just have a lot going on so hard for me to pinpoint. I feel certain. If i have it. When i have it and i know what it is. I'll be like. Oh yeah. I'll see if i have like spare tub of khartoum kicking around my house and the next time that we do in exchange of goods just like throw cardamom you barter. A barter system. That's what ire on india's resulted in this guy have some cats. you have some kind of koala bears. It's so well known anyway. Okay sorry. Thank you lovely listeners. Were sending us things. Goodness absolutely back to khartoum So yeah so. All of that has been green cardamom In contrast black cardamom pods are a little bit larger like up to the size of like a small walnut or so and they'll be red to brown to black in color a slightly larger darker seeds inside and this is more likely to be found in savory dishes and pickles in northern india and Through parts of china. And vietnam i understand. It's a little spicier and smokier than the green varieties and african varieties in. There are lots of by the way Grow in west and central africa and are used mostly savory dishes in cuisines around there as well i understand. It's pretty similar to black cardamom but like like if you're going to try to substitute for it that's the closest that you're gonna get But i didn't see any really specific descriptions of what makes it different so get it so if anyone knows yes oh yes affects. One of my favorite things is when like when you describe it taste. I love when people right in very detailed descriptions of taste so please These pods tend to be harvested by hand a couple times a year just before they're ripe otherwise the the pods will crack open very much looking like the mouths of the of the demo gorgan in stranger things but don't worry it just contains delicious seeds so yeah they don't. They don't want that to happen. So so yeah you pick them before they're ripe and you will get the best flavor from khartoum's when you buy them whole and grind yourself If you if you choose to grind them but they can be used whole as well and this. This whole lot of flavor going on lends itself to all kinds of both sweet and savory dishes they're good. Yes whole or ground as part of a spice blend in sauces or stews order to give zing to jams or syrups or glazes or salad dressings Ground is part of a spice rub for proteins or or vegetables Ground and added to baked goods in tea blends or coffee drinks or mold wine or ciders steeped into creamy desserts and porridges or yeah just a whole pods steamed with rice to infuse some of that flavor into their folks even to hold pods as breath freshener. I saw that. Yeah that that is quite bracing. I will say have you done it. Yeah it's a lot i mean. It's not not fun. But like i'm just like that is a flavor you found one Okay well speaking. What about the nutrition. You're mostly not consuming enough cardamom for it to really impact. You does have a huge flavor bang for its caloric buck and cardamom has been used in traditional medicines in cultures that have grown it for pretty much ever. Some research is being done into its possible scientifically proven health benefits because a bunch of the same compounds that give cardamom flavors also like do in our bodies some are antioxidants others anti-inflammatories or muscle relaxers even preliminary research indicates that cardamom derived supplements may help control things like insulin function which is good and or the ways that our bodies handle fats which is not necessarily good but like can be allowed. The research is still taking place an animal studies. So we've got a ways to go and as always before ingesting medicinal dose of anything you should check with a healthcare provider. Who is not uh is because bodies are complicated and more information is necessary saver slogan. I mixed it up that time now as a little bit of of trying to throw a curve. Busy boo yeah. I never trying to throw a curveball. Y'all that's an anytime i do. It's just at myself. I'm like oh why did i do that accidental curve. I feel like i remember when he did that. Brain stuff video and it was like kristen was in a band and you all had names of like heist named you could be accidental curveball. Yeah that that occurred belay. You can't you can't even predict that a thicker curveball. That would be my job on a heist team. Yeah i would be. That would be the accidental curveball. Lord i'd be like sorry all but nanna appeal because you'd be the snack from earlier and you don't realize that it drafts out if your pocket and it ships up somebody who's chasing you accidental curve ball. Seniors ideas love it. Right right into the to the cartoon series. Yeah absolutely. we'll do okay but we do have some numbers for you these days. Guatemala is the largest producer of cardamom around twenty five thousand tonnes is produced primarily for export there and guatemala overtook the previous largest producer india in two thousand or potentially nineteen eighty or miss seeming may be it kind of bounce back and forth. I think that's what happened. Yeah but yeah yeah. I saw those two floated around Saudi arabia consumes about thirty six percent of the world's cardamom exports. Most of which i understand goes into coffee. Galway i'm not sure. If i'm saying that correctly i did look it up Yes like a like like what we might call turkish coffee here in the states rights And as twenty ten an estimated seventy eight percent of that of the card moments. Saudi arabia was sourced through guatemala. One of the reasons for this has been price at an indian cardamom auction house. In two thousand fourteen kilogram was going for thirteen dollars and fifty cents while the price for the same amount in guatemala. Was going for six dollars and sixty nine cents. Yeah according to silver green. Cardamom is the world's third most expensive spice by weight behind saffron and vanilla. Yes that is what. I have seen in multiple places as well yes past episodes on both of those. Oh yes that to that. I like kind of look of panic. Yes we talk about those things but we now are dogging about guardmen and it's time to get into the history but i it's time to get into a quick break for word from our sponsor Sweet potatoes sweet potato casserole. Sweet potato fries. The north carolina. Sweet potato commission agrees. They're delicious but there's a lot of reasons to love sweet potatoes like that. One medium sweet potato contains four times. Your daily recommended dose of vitamin a thirty five percent of vitamin c and four percent of iron plus calcium fighter vitamin e. They're proven to help control blood sugar levels and are excellent for refueling pre and post workout. Learn more and register to win a kitchen aid mixer at each suite. Nc dot com eat. Sweet nc dot com. Did you know one medium. Sweet potato contains four times. Daily recommended dose of vitamin a. It's also a great source of vitamin c calcium advice ever had. It's proved to help control blood sugar levels not sure the best way to prepare it. Don't worry the north carolina sweet potato commission invites you to eat sweet. Nc dot com find an exclusive recipe. Just for podcast listeners. Go to eat sweet and see dot com and register for a chance to win a kitchen aid mixer eat sweet and see dot com and rebecca sponsor. Yes thank you so Cardamom is believed to be native to india and has been around and cultivated since ancient times. Sanskrit texts mentioned cardamom and both the syrian ambassador. Millions described the medicinal usages of this ingredient often for a wide variety of digestive issues and france freshener. So they're onto that for a long time possibly perfume as well. Trade of cardamom goes way back to possibly all the way to the third millennium bc e merchants transporting it along trade routes Eventually into the mediterranean and asia and like many spices was highly prized. These spices were symbols of luxury. Wealth and often key elements at significant events. the ancient egyptians may have used it. In embalming the ancient greeks and romans certainly were familiar with cardamom and philosophers like ds karate's and hippocrates espoused the health benefits of it. There was even a greek verb derived from khartoum. That meant to become strong in one hundred. Seventy six sixty e alexander. The great even listed cardamom as a necessity for performing his. I'm assuming his soldiers as well but it's unclear her definitely for performing his duties on the job he needed garden. Oh sure yeah. Make a list of what i need your boss. I don't have a steady supply of gardening. coming in. yeah mine are like coffee and like decent internet access and maybe like a cat. That sounds great. yeah. I'm definitely the coffee in the. I have a stuffed. I really like. Yeah yeah it's similar. It's a similar vibe. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. Different than what alexander. The great was going for ya. I would imagine so. I haven't checked in with him ever ever. that's correct. yes. Although i wouldn't say no to. Khartoum was what i was trying to get to. Oh yes absolutely then. S became a hugely important for trading including spices during medieval times. We talked about that a lot before it was the largest and most critical importer of cardamom for the west during this time. A dutch merchant described two types of cardamom from south india around around this period and german her biologist and a physicist described khartoum as an essential oil in the fifteen hundreds amongst westerners who could afford it. Cardamom was highly sought after. Oh yeah yeah. As we discussed in various episodes and cinnamon is the one that comes to mind for me arab. Merchants kept these secrets. They had all the secrets of their spice trade and they kept that close to their heart to control the price and the supply so people didn't know it was coming from. Yeah yeah they didn't even know what kind of plant it was from. Or like how lance worked or whether or not a regarded by dragons somewhere. I was his whole intricate layer of like of like mythology and just straight up like like. Nah i'm not telling you about that was in order to keep this very valuable resource to themselves right irene. If someone told me i had to go face a dragon in a dark cavernous place. I am okay. All right you just bring it to me. I'll pay whatever you want cool. Yeah but i do want however. The portuguese interfered with this strategy when they mapped out their own route to india's west coast and began exporting cardamom to europe themselves china was likely involved in the trade of cardamom. At this time to unfortunately learn. I did have trouble finding a lot of historical sources for for this. I did see one that said since like the nineteen hundreds china had been involved in the straight. But i didn't see it anywhere else. Oh grain of salt back earlier than that. In medieval times kind of era the spicier black cardamom was a slightly more frequent export and would remain popular in europe until the trade of black pepper really picked up I wou i don't have the number in front of me. But i believe it's around like the sixteen or possibly seventeen hundreds us and we've done an episode on black pepper as well. Yes yes and yeah. They're records are fairly lacking. But i feel like it's safe to assume people were using cardamom not just medicinally but in rice dishes. Drinks teas and coffees and baked goods at this time is medieval time period in had been for a while in india. People were probably using it as a flavoring as far back his second century bc including teas. And this is where. I stumbled on a whole masala chai rabbit hole in the history of that and that is a future episode. Oh absolutely yeah yes but cardamom being an ingredient often in masala chai so they were probably using it pretty far back. Yeah yeah And some research has shown that khartoum has antifungal and some anti microbial effects in food products. Which may be a practical reason why people have been blending it into dry teas and spice mixtures for so long other than just you know like it's tasty right right. I'm wondering how many times that sort of happenstance where you yeah. It does tales. I think i think it becomes such a classic flavor because the food that they put it in doesn't go bad and they're like oh cool eat that instead of this food has gone bad. Something different in that does not have these properties so convenient. According to some sources the vikings are the reason karma became such a popular spice in scandinavia during the times of the roman empire spices from india pass through constantinople which is a symbol This was also one of the final stops for the vikings before they made their journey to europe and they developed a fondness for the spice cardamom. So much so that. They brought it back to scandinavia where they incorporated it primarily in two baked goods again hard to verify. But yeah a lot of places yeah. I saw. Vikings mentioned pretty much everywhere. That was talking about the history of cardamom. But i'll like basically every source also said we can't confirm this race like well. Okay at least it's an oft repeated myth. If it's certainly got scandinavia's somehow it did in his popular there. Yes yes and as as many other of these expensive spices became it became known for these a fall and winter holiday kind of celebrations. Where you were like really going all out to be fancy. Yes oh speaking of a thirteenth century european recipe for what was probably a highly expensive sauce called cinnamon sauce or lord sauce featured cardamom other european recipes called for in spiced wines are breads around this same time. Some british soldiers working with the british east india company wrote about south indian cardamom cultivation. But it wasn't until the nineteenth century that european colonists really seemed to care about cultivating it. British colonists established cardamom as a crop. Possibly as a secondary crop to coffee in india during this century. Yeah and this was the first time that khartoum was grown on plantations like coffee. It doesn't really lend itself to plantation conditions at once like a tropical forest type environment with plenty of rain and also plenty of dappled sunshine. So i can see where if you're already growing coffee. It might be a good. Yeah good secondary crop because those those coffee shrubs or trees going to provide about that condition so speaking of a colonial transport of cardamom in the eighteen nineties german colonizers introduced some green cardamom to hans. Aena german coffee grower oscar. My use clo- for planted cardamom in guatemala in the nineteen twenties or perhaps earlier the date varied a lot on that one too and production grew by quite a bit in that country after world war. Two as the production there has steadily risen so have problems around labeling price gouging and fair treatment and pay of carbon farmers. Yeah one of the primary cardamom growing areas in guatemala. ex-con has also been an area of deep political unrest Especially in the eighties and nineties. But nearly half of the local population there is involved in khartoum agriculture rights and Cardinals popularity in parts of europe and north america has been growing in recent years. Primary reasons. cited is the growth in popularity of asian cuisines in those places right right An in the united states certainly The spread of what we call chai a by which we mean like an indian inspired spiced tea blend of some kind or another of the word chai really just means t in a lot of native languages but yeah It definitely has contributed to this in the carbon market And yes yes besides whole different episode. It's going to be difficult in delicious. I making a lot of swimming related gesture. And i'm not sure why we were talking about swimming pools right before we got into this episode. And maybe i'm just. Maybe i'm just like on a tropical holiday in my mind. I hope so. You can't go and personally you can go in your mind. Oh oh having to bring it down. No you're right you can go in your mind. And that's a lovely thing take it. I'll take yes well. I think that's what we have on cardamom for now it is. We do have some listener mail for you though we do but i we have one more quick break for word from our sponsor north carolina sweet potato commission presents. Did you know sweet potato is spelled as one word not two did you know that. Just one medium. Sweet potato contains four times. The daily recommended vitamin a. Did you know you could win a kitchen aid mixer if you enter to win today register online at eat sweet. Nc dot com. That's eight sweet. Nc dot com exclusive recipe available the podcast listeners provided by the north carolina. Sweet potato commission. Now you know word springtime coming. You should eat sweet potatoes. Did you know that sweet potatoes helped control blood sugar levels and are great for refueling your body before and after a workout. The north carolina sweet potato commission knows this and wants to help. You live a healthier lifestyle if you go to eat sweet. Nc dot com. You'll get an exclusive recipe available to podcast listeners. Plus online at each suite. Ansi dot com and enter to win a kitchen aid mixer. Sign up today at eat sweet. Nc dot com and rebecca. Thank you sponsor. Yes thank you. We're back with sluice new a lot going on perforated. Your gestures kind. Yeah i was like. Are we swimming again. Okay i was just trying to take you to your happy place. Whatever episode. yeah So we have more morrell mushroom email share which is great. Yes hannah wrote. I was going to write to you last week. In order to show you one of the drawings. My high school best friend used to do of winged hag is performing various activities nesting flying perching in trees etc. I know but unfortunately despite tearing my desk apart. I was unable to locate any examples. They must all be back home in michigan. Which brings me to. i'm writing. today. I spent my entire childhood in northern michigan attending the mushroom fest in boyne city every year and i was excited to hear you mentioned my home area and to hear that it holds the morrell record of course according to me mushroom hunting with my family was always a blast even if we only a couple running after every slight bump in the leaf cover hoping to be the first to uncover a hidden treasure made for an excellent day out can be crazy in areas where they grow especially. If you work in restaurants. I did as a teenager. And you can watch chef handing over fifty dollars. A pound or more to any forager. Who walks through the door. Everyone wants to be able to get that seasonal mushroom dish on the menu. Beware though if you're the one who has to prep the little delicacies those hollow stems can have all sorts hiding inside more than one slugging half. I have never been a big mushroom lover. But morales were always an exception possibly partially out of local bride but largely because their holiday stems and guild caps. Me never have to bite through thick chunk of school. She mushroom excellent use of school. She They are the perfect place to start if you are mushroom. Reluctant especially sauteed with butter garlic and herbs but lover mushrooms are not. What kid doesn't love a good carnival. And while i didn't pay much attention to the actual mushroom goings on. I have great memories of the boyne city festival on a mushroom related note. I believe it was lauren. You mentioned she belongs to a paramedic mushroom facebook group it was heck the idea fungus as i must commend the book mexican gothic by silvia moreno garcia i read at the beginning of last fall and it was the perfect gothic story to send some shivers down my spine and get me in the mood for halloween season. I won't give away anything about the mushrooms but rest assured it will be right up your alley nervous right away. Melissa also suggested this folks. So i definitely want to check it out but i'm afraid that these mushrooms aren't going to be good. Oh i i suspect you may be right about that anne. Thank you for Thank you for the recommendation. We we definitely as y'all probably noticed are fans of horror and related genres around here and sylvia marino. Garcia is a terrific writer. I love her work. So cool Adding it adding it to my mental list of stuff to download onto my phone and just merged with my couch and read like a mushroom like mushroom. Oh dear karen wrote. I was to your moral mushroom episode today. And i can answer your questions. Yes he butchered me sick. It's pronounced with a long e and the blessing of gps both the mushroom festival and the blessing happened on mother's day weekend each year except last year when covid messed everything up. The area around me sick has lots of trails and seasonal roads that some people like to ride their jeeps and other swamp buggies on of the blessing hopes for long rides with no breakdowns that weekend. Very small town is crammed with gps off road vehicles. In addition to the festival goers one interesting fact. I didn't hear in the podcast when you go mushroom hunting. You should use a mesh bag so the spores can fall from the mushrooms onto the ground to recede mushrooms. There are much fewer mushrooms in the area than there used to be due to people using paper and plastic bags. That don't let the spores out. Good tip could tippin. This probably explains why are mushroom. Forager friend was using a basket to a wicker basket control of his mushroom. Wears loved that. We've got mushroom. Forager friend and i really does delight me how many people have written in about this small town in this festival. Pride in these good experiences. I really do adore it wonderful. Yes yes oh thank you. 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Taking Emo Seriously
"Friendship is proud to be part of the Chicago podcast cooperative this episode of friendship a six bucks a month back documents music photos videos drawings podcast get yourself a free fully featured trial at back blaze dot com slash. I did it I did it I really really had to concentrate on the but you may I'm trend is friendship ing and the theme this week is there is drama and you want to call it quits don't write as Diese Punch the Whoa new Jimmy World let's talk about it's really they come in a mosh pit all of a sudden I love it I have so many feelings about this this is what so here's what's interesting has been at the forefront of my mind since it was released I am so glad to hear says yes you do yes jen can we talk about. I would love to okay so first of all it's band longer than many people that we are friends with have been alive yeah and I really really interesting about it is that like they have a lot of if you listen to static prevails you'll notice a bunch of of Jimmy world albums in terms of are they clarity or are they bleed American a big part of that is just like everybody else I love all music that came out when I was like sixteen you know y'all but they've always had more rock roots some times so bleed American but that's okay if futures is more like power pop also being album it's like my God that's such a great description very like big American underwater music and I like to say that it was good music for divorces absolutely this new album surviving has all that is like you gotta he liked him. Atkins became a dad like gallic he grew up a little so in New Orleans he still that Weirdo he's such a weird set don't think they've sworn in any single there's no curse words than any of their songs which is always very fucking guys the future is going to be better and then this album is like actually it didn't turn out we already but it's like a you know I was twenty two really excited about life I'm like I still am really Nice Jimmy can sounds the same as he did when he was twenty five it's kind of it's kind of lovely about Mo and it's an excellent book because it was the first time anybody actually and how they were on like this I bleed American tour this journalist from Spin wrote this book anything they're they're literally very much like we are we are job is music we make music flu like they've been friends longer than you've been alive. Oh my God I in the year that their friendships older than you to him I know fucked up we should have if there's one person on the planet who deserves to interview Jim Adkins it's it's fucking is extremely good at interviews with anybody let alone with a subject like Jim Atkins the re recorded version of your house love it as like headphones hold on her show so speaking you finishing our book yeah we have it has to be done I definitely credit to our mutual anxiety Oh yeah definitely than stressed yes and that is oddly not happen yeah weird so I think it's because everyday dockery and then on a weekend I'll go is this book on time to finish his book without you either and it makes me wonder some day because I would like to write a book I know that there's a book in your head and there's a book in my head and I almost feel like I wanNA do like an extended book tour for the books that we wrote on our own but also together can you imagine we should just follow Jimmy and this is one of the best days of my life I love that you're having a good day 'cause you know what I am too he for this honor I will honor is all mine that we'll do you proud social point in the process submitting final proposal each of us had a huge part contribute Wednesday before this person sounds like us yeah we ended up choosing this day because we will call Kim was flying out of the country on vacation that following Thursday on the whole weekend either not responding to any of my messages or sending me messages promising time we get to Sunday morning the date is due and have heard nothing back from Kim a changed we changed it to Tim and then we realized that rhymed with Kim Anyway it's it's too late too the citing a concussion and food poisoning holy crap I also could use or hurt by Kim she didn't message me at all that Sunday or has she contacted the past I'd gotten all the stuff she needed in time but she basically ignored me even do I kick her from the group I know I'll end up having to confront her and after all this -pointment in hurt what should I do oh man what a bummer this feeling kind of hurt and disappointed I to me you sound very hurt and justifiably so pointed in my friend Kim Yeah I'm heard disappointed my friend Kim and right now I can't think of anything that I feel your head he's not as I do that it's like you don't need to procrastinate on your feelings you can just feel them right now it what do we do about him right because it looks like she so I is involved at gentiles a better idea than I do of what the future looks like okay one of them is Hawkeye one of them is he they know we got a lot of hints even the question here because they said like I promise I'll get it done I promise way of putting that like I think that the bad feelings piled up it became a pile of sadness because it's started to stand for all the shitty feelings that you feel surrounding this is my failure this is the thing I forgot to do when I was sixteen years old this is my failure it hurts so much absolutely and this is something that happens I think like everybody every now and again so which does not mean you have to forgive her and it doesn't mean you have to move on and work with her again yeah yeah same big name so let's talk about what you Kim is GonNa show up to the next meeting again I think that we need a better idea of what the future looks like and there are the end of the question says do I kick her from the group I assume that the group will be I would assume the key that if you have not yet heard from Kim Kim is really just hoping right now like this is just like she wants to let the ducks fly into it and die and not deal with it that's what this is oh God I know and you know you you that's where I stand what do you think or do you just say your decision to the group like hey since my name think no matter what the asker needs to not involve Kim in the future I don't think that there's the big name clients but I feel like working with your friends and working with big name clients is so enormously so many times fucked up and she could not on fuck I mean Trinh you and I do that this project was even paid it wasn't said it didn't say yeah yeah which does not cannot be relied upon for something that is volunteer so you've learned something very important about Kim you you go forward like anytime you work with somebody new it's an experiment no matter how well you group like a year or so ago I put pull on twitter that EST- I wanted to ask people I was or I don't know but a lot of people are like absolutely not and I was like damn that's a strict policy to of jobs we turn their hobbies into jobs like it's just it's just how it works but this this is a reason why people don't you for you to branch out to somebody that you've never ever worked with before and don't know because they think like the only advantage of working with somebody you know is that like you vibe which like I think it would actually benefit you to go completely outside if your Rolodex for the next person's really philosophies in context and how to handle like social issues and stuff but if I wanted someone to go correct but we do think that this is a new opportunity for you okay so how do we talk to him the next meetings she has shown where what her priorities are and see for you is just leaving her off the next email thread Agri like you don't need to like is Sean I don't think so either without that would be so bold and weird yeah especially since she was so bad to want I think that this is one of those times where you write a few emails that it anything do you want her to apologize do you want to have an explanation do this is not an insult unless you're kind of a pushover and they will say oh. I'm so sorry I forgot I had this going sure I very much agree with that so if you want an apology you can get one you can an man maybe Kim she said Tim thank you president seriously saying something what you feel you short concise senses it's usually what we re advocate for because the details don't you feel better and also presenting it in such a way that Kim has the opportunity to say I could really use an explanation for this it would make things so much easier on our friendship on this if you told me what happened and if she ignores that too that that it I think that you deserve something from her whether it's an explanation or apology and it's again I want to talk to the Kim's of the world also don't want to be like yeah but sometimes there's just no preventing it I mean it sounds like the Oscar did as much in there I don't all the moving parts of this project and you accommodated them already and it's still they still let you down so turn and I work well together and we'll tell me a migraine and I'm not GonNa meet this deadline and I'll be like yeah of course it does not based on making money but it's also like so you know I mentioned the Adhd thing and you know as a kid I you know I did well in school but I would like not finish a project because you know I have ways of of figuring it out and again like when we talk about Kim's viewpoint been Kim we've all been Kim yeah one of the things that I say about Adhd a lot is that like a an and it is it affects your life impacts your life negativity a lot so should I talk of my job and one of the things that I do is I produce our podcast games podcast and the show and he sent me in like a sample and I found myself just fucking confront myself I had to sit and think and like just meditate the way like to describe this is so you know that scene in X. Men thirty with Tim Skeleton and stuff but he's got super healing power so he's just like I'm fucking going so I put on my headphones and I blast white noise or pink noise I eat something delicious I make hours to just send Matt Attacks Message saying the the truth song or something like that it's just gonNa take a little while longer and passed me as a teen would have after figuring that out that's so good and it's like you name your demons yeah no what they are in I mean it's just it's a skill that you learn over time and it seems like Kim has not been able to for people with ADHD it can be physically painful to work on like crazy and and I feel like fucking wolverine like walking through it and my body's you've with mental illness in the modern world is you are the fucking strongest people in yes John Yes and the first step is recognizing that the bowling ball's are there bridge of a project you have to accept that people will have these difficulties and they will have difficulties just the fact that you got this done somehow got it done so you you in the next project is like ask for pictures for like a picture of like and it's it in I don't know if this is right for every situation may not be right for years but you could have said like if I don't hear back from Yeah Yeah Yeah I mean you got Tim involved somehow that was so good so we talk about one of the ways you can help me make up for this is to figure out something for this because they oh this can Kim introduce tim to some to some people maybe she's got other piles of sadness that she could use you can't just invite you to say thank you so much for help for saving this project for jumping owner I would like to send a pizza to your house you don't have to do anything that involves money either say mm -serily Oh you a favor and the next time you need help you need to come to me because Walsh show the fucker yes and then do it yeah don't let the spiral the things we asked you in the future is like there's no reason to trust your friends more than other people that you with e for Kim I don't WanNa see this at the top of the show 'cause I don't want to ask her but I really do because I've been of course but I just like saying that because my degree was very expensive and I'm still paying love you but anyway due at nine am and the library isn't open and I have to print I'm unable to study for our final because so many other things are piling up now would just be like well failed using I had so many piles of sadness for awhile and I realized that it was I had so many ball so you had so many balls in the air like juggling like crazy and just drop them and sometimes alien balls got thrown at me and I was like he's my friend and he's not GonNa care I'm just going to let that ball drop Yup Yup and that should be we Kim's apology is the most reasonable apology is I'll human brain is really just a spongy wet fleshing mass we'll fuck up for the people you love the most because it just it just popped out of your brain there's a good quote from card says sometimes you will try your best and do everything right and still fail yeah and sometimes true and it's not all my God that's exactly right I'm combing through the book now looking for things like that Kinda others always tell the truth is not correct yep like always have a bunch of friends you can under the circumstances do the best you can with the tools you have that's it and that Ryan's and there's these characters cares there's these creatures called Nogues Doug's knocks it's GonNa make sense so are in the game and you kill them constantly because doug skin is really good like why the hell did you do that that nogues are so cute their pets that was just cruel that was and you were not set up to make a decision there because you based on the information you had based on the information everybody but it's true sometimes you kill a few nuggets to get I like to follow us on twitter. You may do friendship if you would like to follow us individually rallied and then I'm trying to end tonic like gin and tonic but within hawks are daddy I wanted to like I actually pause inappropriate thank you Laurin gallagher for your design work thank you to Monica Yeah let me get the frigging frigging ads.
Listener Questions About The Impact Of Stay-At-Home Orders On The Environment
"This is the national conversation with all things considered I'm Ari Shapiro. The global pandemic has halted daily life as we know it. No flying no commuting know bar hopping in this part of the program will answer your questions about how these changes are affecting the environment. Npr's climate change correspondent Lauren. Summer is here good. Have you with us? Hi We have a pile of questions. So let's just dive right in starting with Kathleen in Randallstown Maryland. Since so much the entire human population is sheltering in place what has been the impact on greenhouse gas emissions have the global reductions been enough to affect global warming climate. Change thank you Laurin. It seems intuitive that if you've got millions of people no longer driving hours to and from work each day it's gotTa have some kind of impact on emissions right. What do we know about what that impact might be? Yeah that's right and you know the first place we really saw was in China right because they were the first ones to really lock things down now. A lot of cars and factories and industrial activity was slowing down. So that meant the country was burning less coal and so over the month of February you know people are estimating there was about a twenty five percent drop in emissions now. Maybe that doesn't sound like a sound like a lot. Actually yeah I mean add to that that China is the largest emitter of carbon in the world. So they're small drop is actually equal to what a St Leg Ohio Illinois admits an entire year The rest of the world right now is the question because things are slowing down elsewhere Us energy officials put out an estimate this week that they expect to see a drop of around seven percents emissions That's kind of about the same as we saw during the last recession. But it's still very early to tell what the world's going to see and certainly we are adding plenty of carbon to the atmosphere. In the meantime this was supposed to be a big year for International. Climate negotiations is that on hold wall. Countries are trying to deal with the pandemic. Yes the answer's yes because there had been a very big meeting planned for this fall. Countries were expected to get together and discuss new commitments to cut greenhouse gases because you know the backdrop to all of this scientists are warning. There's very little time left to limit emissions in a way that's going to avoid the worst effects of climate change so the meeting was playing for. Glasgow Scotland in November but the UN has decided to delay it until twenty twenty one A lot of the groups. I've talked to are are supportive of that because you know one governments are rightfully occupied with other things right now this global crisis and to you know the timing was actually kind of challenging before because that meeting was planned for literally days after November election. Here so the idea of which administration was gonNA come into power has been making it very awkward for negotiators to figure out what's happening with the US because president trump has said he is pulling the US out of the Paris accord. Oh that's really interesting. All right our next listener question comes from somebody in the state that's been very affected by climate change. This is Chrissie and tell Keaton Alaska trying to find positives. This current time. My question is what positive effects has the virus head on the climate. So you were saying. The world is running out of time. To mitigate the worst impacts of climate change is this slowdown buying us more time yes and I think we don't really know it's pretty small at this point these emissions reductions that we're seeing and the really big question is what kind of rebound are we going to see because many of these changes like not driving and not flying. The probably won't stick right. We're going to go back to normal at some point hopefully But maybe you know. People are speculating. That maybe some things will like. A lot of people are using video conferencing now for business so maybe someday in the future conferences will be virtual instead of in person and that would mean less emissions but I think the really big question is what kind of economic stimulus packages countries are going to do right. If they're funding things like oil and gas industry right boosting construction. That could actually to a lot more emissions so that could be a rebound and then some after we get back to normal right if you have questions for Lauren to NPR dot org slash national conversation on twitter use the HASHTAG NPR CONVERSATION. And OUR NEXT QUESTION COMES FROM. Nancy in Los. Altos California. Here where I live in Silicon Valley we are almost done with our fourth week of quarantine my family and friends and I have all noticed that the air is amazingly fresh. Probably because exhaust fumes are so low is anyone tracking the effect that this quarantine is having on the environment and also how it informs the subject of Global Climate Change. Thank you is it people's imagination that the air looks clearer and Bluer I mean. Is this actually measurable at this point? Yeah actually it is and and a lot of people are reporting this You know like I said the first place we saw this was China and air pollution. There dropped by about a third in February. It's gotten a worse than San because activity has started increasing. But we're seeing this this and the US to You know local air pollution very dependent on the weather so you can't really pick a single day and look window and say hey this is the pandemic But you know air quality monitors in Los Angeles have been showing very good air over the last week. Nasa is releasing data that in the northeastern U. S. nitrogen dioxide which is this pollutant from burning. Fossil fuels is down by about thirty percent. So there's a real effect being measured. It feels almost paradoxical that this disease that has having a such a horrible impact on people's lungs might be leading to air pollution which would have a good impact on people's lungs right and you know some people have said are we saving lives while so many lives are being lost and it's actually a really hard question to answer but You know one way that people have looked at it is actually through the Olympics You know in two thousand eight. In Beijing officials were shutting down factories and limiting cars to improve the air and so scientists were studying. Can we see health improvements from these small temporary dips in air pollution? And they did. They saw improved cardiovascular health and some people mothers who had their third trimester of pregnancy during the Olympics actually had babies with heavier birth weights. But you know at the same time. There's a huge toll on public health happening right both people that have cove nineteen but people may also be avoiding hospitals and doctors right and not getting the routine care they really need. So it's really hard to say with the overall effect. Is You know early on. In this pandemic there were a lot of hoaxes about wildlife returning to cities and our next question is about wildlife. This comes from Laura also in Alaska. My question is what effect is this virus having on wildlife. I'm thinking about the fact that in many places like cities there are less people out and about and that means there's more room for wildlife. Are people seeing a change in the animals that they live near? I am wondering about animals that depend on people for food for handouts like pigeons and other small birds and rats in a city. We've only got about a minute left Lawrence so we may not have time for birds rats but what can you tell us about other wildlife? E-eh there's a lot of anecdotal stories out there. People were seeing coyotes walking down streets in San Francisco but I can say that scientists really are starting to study this right. You know if it's quieter there's less activity out. There may be burns or singing differently if there's less ships and cruise ships in the ocean. Maybe Wales are singing a little bit differently because there's less noise for them to compete with so people are starting to really look at it. I did see rather horrific article saying that in Washington. Rats might be trying to find their way into people's homes now that they don't have restaurant dumpsters to raid so. Let's just hope that that doesn't happen for everyone's sake. Let's hope that his NPR's climate correspondent Lawrence Summer. Thank you so much barry and if you have questions about Cova nineteen and way we live. Now we're here to help go to. Npr Dot Org Slash National Conversation on social media use the HASHTAG NPR conversation.
After Dropping Dramatically, COVID-19 Cases Surge In India, Pakistan
"Corona virus infections in india and pakistan are surging. But until just last month there had been a dramatic drop in cases in those two countries. This sudden change has confounded public health. Who are now investigating two mysteries. Why did cases in india and pakistan drop. And why are they searching now. Npr india correspondent. Lauren freyer is on the line for mumbai. Lauren hi there. What is the situation in mumbai. So mumbai is seeing its highest case load since the start of the pandemic worse than last spring when there was a total lockdown. Now we're not under lockdown here yet Partly because of how damaging it was the last time around. India's economy shrank twenty four percent last spring and summer. Were under an eight pm curfew here. There's a ban on gatherings indian festival of holi. This big colorful festival was basically cancelled last weekend. And this is all come as a shock to a lot of indians because until recently as you mentioned cases it dropped here to a tenth of what they once were and that hasn't happened in lots of places that have done lockdowns like the ones you described. So what are scientists telling you about why there was such a dramatic drop in cases so random tests last summer and fall showed about half of people in india's. Biggest cities had antibodies. And so what we thought is those people had already been infected many of them as symptomatically and they had some protection and okay that would make sense but then why would cases suddenly be surging now. Yeah that's the real big question. I called up a variety. Dr gunn deep kong and she says it looks like this wave is straining private hospitals more than public ones so so this latest round of of infections could be affluent indians. Who who stayed home during the first wave and now we're going out and maybe let their guard down. Be boo boo previously able to isolate themselves and stay away from getting infected are now out and about and more likely to be infected but on the other hand dr kong says this could be people who are getting reinfected now be reached a stage where previously infected people cannot ward off infection anymore. I mean essentially. She says too much time may have passed for those folks who were infected last year still have protection from the virus and she says there could be another explanation new variants last week. India said it's detected one. They're calling a double mutant. Which has two mutations the mutation first that first emerged in the uk and then another mutation that was first discovered in south africa Soon to tell whether that's really to blame for this latest spike and so what is india doing about all of this trying to vaccinate people as quickly as possible. Starting tomorrow india's opening up vaccinations to anyone over the age of forty five. I mean india. Good position in that. It's the world's biggest vaccine producer so supply isn't an issue here. I visited an indian factory. A couple of weeks ago. That's churning out one hundred million doses a month but india's really big it's got nearly one point four billion people and so it takes a lot of time to get shots and all those arms other countries in the region may have smaller populations but they don't have the supply. Neighboring pakistan is importing doses from china. And they're seeing a huge surge. Even the prime minister has it there. Npr's lauren freyer in mumbai. Thank you laurin. you're welcome thanks for having me.
Gruyre, You Make Us Melt
"Today's episode is brought to you by parts dot com. Have you ever thought about the fact that where you choose to live directly impacts the you, you become well, apartments dot com is here to help you find that future perfect place. They're the number one rental search site, and with good reason they have the most listings, which means you have the most apartments townhomes condos and houses to choose from and apartments dot com has custom search tools too, so you can find exactly what you're looking for to become the best version of yourself. Visit apartments dot com to find your perfect place apartments dot com. Change your apartment, change the world. Hello, and welcome to save her production of iheartradio and stuff media. I'm and I'm Laurin vocal bomb. And today, we're talking about Greer. Yeah. The cheese cheese and the region kinda short. But this is one of my favorite cheeses. Yeah. And I always bring it to cheese giving just understood. Sure. Okay. But I actually remember, the first time that I knowingly had Greer probably had it before then, but my brother's ex girlfriend, so I was in high school. This time she was a vegetarian, and she made these homemade French fries with shaved Greer and mushrooms on them who and that was the first time I was like, oh, so, I wouldn't necessarily be scared. I'd be eating these fries all the time vegetarianism is not a weight loss plan. No, nope. No. We can be a healthy lifestyle choice. Absolutely. I mean, I'm happy that I tried them. And I still clearly I still remember. Yeah. Oh, I don't remember that moment. But, but it's it's a topnotch cheese. It's great and grilled cheese. Oh, it's really good at melting, there's a whole section on that later on there is. But before we get to that we should get to question. Yeah. Greer? It. Well, I'm gonna give you a definition that involves a lot about the process of making it because with cheese, the making is the message. So the original Swiss Greer is a type of cheese made from raw whole cow's milk. That's curdled with Rene and with way, from the previous batch of Greer in open copper vats, it's pressed into large wheels usually aged, or ripened that is for about six to twelve months, but anywhere from five to eighteen or so can happen or longer during that time friendly bacteria, eat lactose. That's the sugars from the milk that it's made with, and they poop flavors and acids that help solidify the cheese. Other friendly bacteria, and you grow on the cheeses surface, helping create a natural rind and further affecting the flavor like creating some tasty molecules and breaking down some not so tasty molecules, and some water of app rates out until it's down to about thirty five percent moisture content and a few chemical and enzymatic processes, breakdowns on the protein chains from that original milk, and all of this results in a cheese, that's a solid. But still pretty soft to the bite, and a smooth not crumbly. It's a ivory to yellowish in color, and may range in flavor. But usually tastes a little like nutty, tiny bit, fruity, and spicy and salty. And of course creamy. If I lost you on any of that CR cheddar episode for more about cheese-making. Yes. Also very old school. Original foodstuff video series video on cheese has some bad graphics, designed by yours truly don't check that out. Yeah. And there are also Greer style cheeses, which may differ in production methods and an ultimate product. France, does also make a Greer that is similar in the broad strokes, but has a has different rules altogether. For what it's supposed to look and taste like and so much more on that later. The whole thing it is an entire thing. It's great for fondues. Grier is for French onion soup. A- Riera is one of the two classic fondue cheeses, along with tall. And it's also traditional in the French Kokomo and sewer, which is a grilled cheese sandwich with a Dijon mustard sliced ham so good. They're so good. And yes, more about the science of multiplicity later, and it is named for the Swiss town gruyere in the area where the cheese was originally made and is still made their the name comes from either grew year. Meaning forestry officer or tax collectors or grew meaning crane, and that is the bird on the crest of the counts of logorrhoea. So. Mysteries history. Now's it didn't know Swiss cheese. And this is the cheese with holes in. It is sometimes called rat cheese, because it's the cheese rats are we've seen with Khartoum didn't know that we still need to watch ready to. I haven't forgotten about. All right. But yeah. Now, let me think about it Swiss cheeses, bur confusing name, it is because there's more than one cheese in Switzerland. Yes. Yeah. Agree air from Switzerland doesn't not have holes in it. Yeah. I'm the French Greer is required to have some holes. But yes, Swiss Greer has few to no holes right? So confusing nutrition wise. It's cheese. I mean. A serving sizes an ounce. Yes. That's a small amount of cheese. Keep them keep that in mind, or give yourself a nice cheese, treat have achieved giving have a cheese giving go crazy with the cheese whiz. Numbers. Yes. As of twenty ten Switzerland produced twenty nine thousand metric tons of Greer per year. France produced about three thousand metric tons, by the way, our little smaller than US tons. So it's more like thirty two thousand US tons. I anything more than like a pound. And I don't really understand it. That's an unimaginable amount of cheese to me. That's a lot of trees. It's a bunch of cheese. I also spent about three minutes trying to figure out why there's a difference between metric and US tons specifically. Why, but yeah. In those three minutes, nothing became apparent rabbit hole for different tastes. Greer used to be an umbrella term for family of cheeses and the Rhone alpine region made in a similar manner. But distinct in taste, including kommt, Bo fort abundance, French career and Swiss career but not anymore. No, no, no, no, no, no who gets to claim Greer. Oh, we'll find out but first, we're going to take quick break for a word from our sponsor. Today's episode is brought to you by away travel luggage return. A lot here on saver and always approach is simple. They create luggage pieces, designed to be resilient resourceful, and essential to the way you travel today. They asked thousands of people how they pack why they travel and what bugs the most about their luggage. Then they designed to bag that solved a few old problems like sticky wheels, and few new ones too, like dead cell phones, and they can offer lower price compared to other brands by cutting out the middleman and selling directly to you. 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Visit away travel dot com slash saver and use promo code saver during checkout. And we're back. Thank you sponsor. Yes. Thank you. And we're back with more food controversy. Oh, yeah. Greer's history goes back to medieval times. Sometime around eleven twenty five CE and a town called career now career the place is in Switzerland, but it's on the border between Switzerland and France. And because of this ownership of Greer is disputed, like we mentioned before several similar cheeses by a different name do fall under this umbrella of Greer that originate in France and one in the Austrian Alps, and I would like to throw in this probably not true in here. The story goes that in one, sixty one CE emperor and Taunton. The pious met his death via indigestion caused by overindulgence in green. Probably not probably not. No. They don't think that anyone really created what we know is Greer until. Yeah. Like, the eleven hundreds right, anyway, fun story while it's much price. Now it I started as a means of survival. Grier did and necessity. And this region of Switzerland was and is very Mounteney and partly because of this, it was plagued with food scarcity, but they did have cows for milking since the region was mountainous, and the cows, grazed pastures that were often up hill from where the peasants lived and peasants, didn't have time to go marching up the mountains to milk cows every day. So they need to figure out a way to make the milk lasts longer. So they picked a group of peasants to be in charge of all of the villages cattle and to make cheese from that milk. And they had a couple of requirements for this cheese. I it had to last in the mountains for the summer. Okay. Second it had to be pretty sturdy a. Cheese, and large to make the rough journey back down the mountain and to meet these requirements. They need a low moisture cheese, but problem, yes, they could only carry up so much salt to dry out the cheese. Oh, okay. So they came up with a system, a system it involved, cutting the cheese. Oh here, you produce a very tiny Kurd particle to reduce the moisture. They then cooked the cheese at a high temperature while constantly stirring it. And this process was draining for the makers, like it was hot. It's physically demanding the work paid off, though resulting in a full fat hard cheese, that people quickly fell in love with so much. So that words spread and the Swiss makers were able to sell it throughout the country and in France. And Italy pretty soon after they discovered it. Yeah. In the thirteenth century, they were able to build a castle in the town that still stands today. And as I understand it, you can take a tour listeners, and it's lovely please done it. Done it. Let us know let us know by the fifteenth century cheeses, like Greer, recalled Veselin, and it wasn't until the seventeenth century that Greer officially replaced to that name possibly because this is when the region started to export Greer, the first time as more and more people tried it the demand grew in the word entered the dictionary, academy. Full says in seventeen sixty two and along with all of this, we get the origins of cheese controversy as concerns over its origin grew. During the eighteenth and nineteenth century, lots of folks from free Switzerland, moved to the Greer region making it bigger and expanding it out into France. And at the time with no form of cheese, copyright or trademark a lot of imitators started to enter the scene in Greer cheesemakers wanted to change that by defining, what Greer was in protecting the name, but as we've said, French, and Swiss career were and are different shore. Yes. The French and Swiss, both argued that they should have claim to the Greer name. The French argued that their version of Greer was more well known, and that they should get it because of that, while the Swiss argued that they'd been making it longer and Greer's from Greer. So it's really several meetings took place, several meetings flees to debate the issue of Greer eighteen ninety one in Madrid. Nineteen twenty six in Paris, and nineteen thirty in Enron. Oh my goodness in nineteen fifty one. One, the international strays a convention on cheeses. That sounds me. Decreed that both France and Switzerland had the right to use Greer despite the confusion around the fact that they are two distinct. She's is going by the same name, but this did not in the tension between the two countries around the cheese. No, Nope, no, no in nineteen fifty eight comped career was awarded in ASC Appalachian Josiah in control. A are controlled Appalachian of origin, within France. An AO see is meant to recognize regional products made using traditional methods that have these traditional flavors and other characteristics that are, you know, good rights. Yeah. The Swiss were awarded the control designation of origin in Switzerland in two thousand and one which similarly, defines production processes and locations and product, but France was not done. They applied for a any could you help me out, Appalachia enjoy. Gene, protege AO p yes. With the European Union and the AARP. He is an internationally recognized status that means that no product from anywhere else can properly can properly use the name. It's why sparkling wines from outside of champagne can't be called champagne. Exactly the EU looked into it, and eventually put out a report on the matter saying the French case was weak because they're cheese was aged outside of the area in which it's produce I know the French career union dropped the case had holes in the story. That's what the guardian said about it. No great minds, great minds think alike. In two thousand ten the whole of Europe, recognize the Swiss as the official makers of Greer with U, P, meaning comped Greer became just caught, and before that back in two thousand and four the Swiss helped that process along by developing a blueprint of the acidifying bacteria, the give Greer, most of its texture and flavor. The country has a center for agriculture research, affiliated with the government called Agra scope and yeah, Greer's bacterial culture was the first one that they mapped, it's now part of their A O P process. So, like if you're making Greer in this approved way, you can buy a bottle of the approved culture set or like largely create your own the old fashioned way, during the process. But I love that. They, they have this, this is a product. Yeah. Oh, they're also working on bacterial tracers to verify the origin of any given piece of cheese to make sure that you're not like like flipping imitators there won't have it. Learn no. The one for Greer was still in trials as of two thousand seventeen which is the last information I could find about it. Oh my goodness. Oh, I love it. Yeah. There has been a so much scientific research into the micro biology and chemistry involved in Greer over the past three decades. Probably because of all of this kerfuffle. Oh, people. They wanna claim their Jesus. They do cheeses important, and I respect that they are taking it seriously, as we are. I do too. Speaking of seriousness, I have some very serious melting science to share with you. But I got one more quick break for word from our sponsor. This episode is brought to you by ZipRecruiter. Hiring is challenging, but there's one place you can go were. 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A few science things influence how a cheese melts art first. You've got your moisture content because the higher the moisture content of cheese, the more easily. They'll melt, because of those water molecules sort of keeps them like elbow room in among the proteins preventing them from clumping up. Yeah. Greer is what's called a low moisture cheese as we talked about before that is around thirty five percent moisture it's drier than a fresh cheese, like mozzarella, which could have up to sixty percent moisture content, but more moist than a hard cheese like parmesan, which is usually around like thirty percent. That's why mozzarella will like us when you heat it, but parmesan will tend to like crisp before it really has a chance to pool. Yeah. Greer has just enough water content to, to facilitate melting. Yeah. Part of moisture content is due to whether it's cheese has been aged or not. But aging has another effect on how cheese melts how it's proteins are connected. Okay. So, so the. Primary. Proteins in milk are called caissons. And what do you make cheese? These, these protein, molecules link-up tight in these long chains in a fresh spring cheese. Again, like mozzarella, those chains are stretchy entangling, which is why mozzarella strings out in that, like, classic like pizza commercial kind of way like the teenage mutant ninja turtle thing. Yeah. Yeah. Or heck, like in a in a stick of string cheese. Yeah. Exactly string. Yeah. But as cheese ages, enzymes in the cheese, slowly break apart, those long chains into smaller and smaller bits. And that's why an aged cheese like cheddar agreer melts into smooth puddles that stretch a little, but, like mostly use, and it's why they crumble into like those large pebble chunks, when they're cool as opposed to something like parmesan, which will crumble into like we little dusty bits? The third thing that influences how a cheese melts is its chemical makeup and okay, here's where it would be good to do a rundown of what is happening to cheese when it melts. Okay. So you apply heat to cheese. Yes. Yes, you do. Uh-huh. Frequently all the time. When the cheese reaches about ninety degrees Fahrenheit. That's about thirty two celsius or a little under human body temperature. These solid fats in the cheese will start to melt into liquid oil, you might see beads of oil on the surface of the cheese. Yeah. But it has to get a little bit hotter, than that, for those cases, that are really holding the cheese together to give up the ghost is he in cheeses that are curdled using the milk coagulating animal protein, Rene, which is most cheeses, the sort of glue of calcium atoms will help hold the case in proteins together in their chains. But as the cheese heats, that glue dissolves, and the cheese, just kind of collapses, like, like my friend has his old lady cat, Mary and her joints are pretty good. But when she's done moving around she doesn't like circle and likes it and kinda like subtle in. She just flips right over. Oh, yeah. It's real cute, every time and for Mary, I've noticed that, that happens after a certain number pets, but. Cheese happens at different temperatures in high moisture mozzarella. It's kinda low it's around like one hundred and thirty Fahrenheit, that's fifty four celsius, it can be all the way up to one hundred and eighty Fahrenheit or eighty two celsius in hard, parmesan and for air it's in the middle like a hundred and fifty Fahrenheit or sixty five celsius. But remember, that's an cheeses using net. You can also curdle cheese using various acids, like vinegar, or lemon juice. And that's how a lot of fresh cheeses are made like Ricardo or Panesar, or caso, Blanco, as those cheeses, form, their case in proteins will bind up with each other. But there's too much acid for the calcium atoms to glue up among them. So when they heat there's no protective barrier to those proteins. The heat makes the proteins bunch up forcing out molecules of water, which means that you've suddenly got a dry cheese, which instead of melting, we'll just continue firming up and may even Browner crisp. That's why you can simmer chunks of penny. And like a Currier a creamy spinach sauce, and the hold their shape or why you can straight up pan fry a slice of Keizo Blanco, and it'll Brown instead of melting, and why Ricarda in lasagna arrive. Yolly is pillowy instead of UC and part of why most vegetarian vegan cheeses are so totally crap melting, because although. Most rent is lab created these days. Most vegetarian friendly cheeses are more likely to be acid curdled and the proteins involved may behave differently than the milk proteins. But sure, sure. Sure, anyway, back to your air and actually has a little bit more acid than some other cheeses of its moisture in age which dissolves some of the calcium bonds and winds up making it a little bit string year than say, cheddar, and, yeah, it's right in that happy, medium of just enough moisture and just enough aging all of which means it melts too. We go. We perfection. Hat tip to David yo him and Andre Schloss over at fine cooking dot com for their excellent explanation of all this, by the way in their article the science of melting cheese. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And we'll have to do a whole episode on fondue. Yes. That was kept like avoiding. Yeah. Like there's too many. There's too many it was too much to talk about. Yeah, got to focus do my mom used to do fondue, every New Year's and it just. I don't know why New Year's thing. Yeah. Yeah, I don't understand why why like fun do and drinking are always it's always like, oh, man. Let's have a celebration with sparkling wine and undo because boiling pots of oil, he's great idea. Glasses. Always nothing could go wrong here Lauren. I don't know where you're talking about this is giving me a wonderful will pause to remember. I was a huge. My little pony fan to do. You remember the us. Who's that who's who's was like this big pollution villain? And it was destroying the my little pony home or I do vary. Vaguely remember that it was like an Uzi of gray hair. Oh, no more shirts. More shirt ideas, hang. Yeah. Okay. All right. Mark, and Mark, and that one down. Burs essentially just making shirts that only appeal to, and I'm not to upset about it. If I can get on my little pony, Greer shirt. That's it. That's yeah. Yeah. Best day, I don't know what else I can do. I don't know. Well, this just about brings us to the end of our air episode, but it brings us to Liz. Liz. Ready to you ask, I guess? Oh, one day, I guess I that's why I was so confused. Really this is just a back door this whole show is a setup this just me already long. It's a long game. I like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I have not succeeded at all. But that's great because it means I get to keep making up asides. Odes Valerie wrote. I recently enjoyed listening to your podcast about vehicles shaped like giant food. And so, I'd like to share with you, this picture of a vehicle that my family ran across when we were visiting NYC and twenty fourteen. This was the l L Bean boot mobile that we've found central park, I had never heard of this. But there it was in the park who knew I live about forty five minutes from the Henry Ford museum in Dearborn, Michigan, which was mentioned in your podcast. So I visited it's vintage Oscar Mayer wiener mobile, many times. Right. Next to it is a human sized hot dog bun that kids can climb into an ad giant fabric, hotdog toppings fun. If you ever get a chance to visit that museum it is an interesting place, and very different from any other museum I have ever seen Henry Ford went collecting famous buildings such as the one where Thomas Edison invented the lightbulb and the one where the Wright brothers. Vented flight. Plus, there's a building about the Heinz fifty two varieties of pickles. And he can walk through these famous buildings and greenfield village there in the picture. Well, it's a giant giant boot with tires at the bottom in the the license plate. The vanity played on front says Bigfoot. Yeah. I, I recommend looking up the picture. Yeah. It's a giant mud boot. I I love it. I do too. I'd be very thrilled to see that out in the wild. Yeah. It's a little bit creepy as extremely large boots tend to be who. Yeah. What if? What if you were like a sleep, and your, your bed is like you were on the same levels of window and the blue just went by and I. Yeah. That might nightmares stuff the stuff nightmares. Jenny wrote. I heard Lauren mentioned her love of a good sandwich. The contains fries and had to give you a heads up on one. That would make a great episode the horseshoe. The horseshoe sandwich is the full size and a smaller portion is often called a pony shoe. It's an open face sandwich made on Texas toast topped with two burger patties for the full size one for the pony size then a layer French fries, and finally, a Welsh rare bit cheese sauce. It's a regional dish in and around Springfield, Illinois, and can be found in a radius of about fifty to one hundred miles around that town. Oh, wow. That sounds that sounds really great. I wanna I wanna eat that food. I do okay. Road trip road trip Richard time. But in the meantime, thanks to both of them for writing too, is you too. Can write to is our Email, is Hello at saver pod dot com or you can find us on social media. We are on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram at saver pod. 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The Cool Mint Episode
"Today's episode of saver is brought to you by smart water twenty years ago. Smart water, reimagined, what water could be from thoughtful bottle design to adding electrolytes for taste to supporting smart people who are changing our world through fresh thinking. Like you owe. Unlike you any I do of water one of my favorite things is getting some nice cold water after after I run in the morning and smart water because I love the taste. And I love the bottle today. Convenient bottles, sit is and today. Smart water is reimagining water again with new smart water alkaline with nine plus ph and smart water antioxidant with added selenium both with the same great taste as the original smart water is vapor distilled with added electrolytes to taste, great and great tasting water helps you meet your goals. Whether you've got some new ones in two thousand nineteen or are just aiming to look and feel your best every day. Refresh yourself with smart water. Hello. And welcome to savor a production of iheartradio and stuff media. I'm injuries, and I'm Laurin vocal bomb and today we're talking about mint mint. Yes. Finally, an anti can't eat stuff. Oh, there's there's been at least. Well, there's been a couple that you don't like, right. I can't t- to use another one. Sure. And I do love mitt, and I'm determined to do we discussed off air that potentially. I can have certain types of like mint candies share that that are just made with like a mental oil rather than an actual like peppermint oil. Like, we need to we need to figure out which chemical in meant. Yes is the one that disagrees with you. There is a York. Peppermint Patty at my desk, and I'm going to do it at the end of the workday. So okay. Yeah. That's why that's a good plan. Thank you. And it's not severe like, I just get like John mouth and tingling. And nausea cramps stomach. I mean, it's not fun. No. It's not no, but toothpaste like it took me years. I feel so sick brush. Yeah. It was the meant. It was the meant. Well, I can eat it. And it's delicious. I'm sorry. No, I'm so happy. I'm so happy. This is finally happening. I hope you enjoy it Lauren. It's refreshing just like mitt. There you go which brings us to a question meant. What is it? Well, meant is a genus of herbs sometimes called Mentha and also like even higher up in the tax system. It's a family of herbs called lemme NCA, which includes everything from basil to time to Rosemary and lemon balm. But today we're talking about the genus Mentha. Yeah. Mints tend to be perennial meaning that although they will die back during freezing winters once he plant them. The roots will take hold grasp hold grab violently hold. And we'll come back year after year in some cases, like peppermint. They are so vigorous partially because their root systems are the only way that they can reproduce. Like peppermint is a wild hybrid of spearmint and Waterman that sterile. It does not produce seeds. Yeah. Yeah. Which means that genetically every peppermint plant is nearly identical to the very first peppermint plant ever identified. That's cool like bananas. They're clones. Exactly. Exactly. Mint stems are square in cross section which just always delights me. No. I don't know. Why? I just really like it anyway. Yeah. And the leaves and stems can be anywhere from green to grayish to purplish the flowers anywhere from white to purple. And there are a lot of types of meant. Yeah. Yeah. I think when we chose this topic. I was I knew it was going to be a big one. But it's kinda eve about like, it'll be simple. No. There's a lotta types of meant favorite spearmint. So they're thirteen to eighteen species in the mid family are that's the general consensus because I've found different thing. Oh, yeah. I thought that would be like no no there never really is like a single number. It's like, well, you know, squidgy. Squeegee because I at some places it was it seemed very definite was twenty five. Oh, no other places like no thirteen. Anyway, I think I think it's I I saw the numbers thirteen to eighteen in multiple places. Okay. Multiple places said thirteen eighteen so that's what we're saying. And they grow all over. And yet anyone who has tried to grow meant are not tried to grow meant. It grows it grows. Whether you want it to or not, basically. Yep. Different types of meant are native to Eurasia, Australia, North, America and Africa. And nowadays, you can find different types of mint growing all over in temperate climates, even though there are probably thirteen to eighteen species in the mint genus. There are over two thousand varietals within those species they amrried really easily penny. Royal, by the way is one of those species. And I was today old when I learned that I always I'd seen the word penny Royal all over the place. And I was like, oh that must be some quaint British thing that I will never understand the British version of pennywise the clown. Oh, no. Why would you say that? It's I mean it had to be said Lord. It's not like a Royal. This isn't this isn't Pulp Fiction. Okay. Like, we didn't need a British version of pennywise. I think we do. Now, I'm going to eat your face like what? That's I mean, we got Britain down to Pat because that's what it is picture. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, goodness. I'm sorry. I apologize for that. Yeah. Some some things that are called meant though, just to Merck up the waters a little bit more are from totally different genus. Like for example, Brazilian Bush meant it's a close cousin. But yeah, at tech sodomy is hilarious is what it comes down to. Yep. Very very serious. And another thing that makes us interesting is that meant itself is kind of a category. And when people say meant, they usually mean spearmint because it's like the flavor in most toothpaste is spearmint. I think I think it could be I I feel like most people think of peppermint when they think of meant because spearmint doesn't actually contain menthol which is one of race. I mean contains a couple related compounds. But yeah, I think it's in the research realm of mints. That's what I read is that. Yeah. Generally, we mean spearmint, and I think it's the meant flavoring in a lot of. Okay. This like added in its strange because there's menthol and then mint flavoring share, and well, anyway, it's confusing. It's a category of flavors yet is and it tastes cold. Because because some of the compounds admit, perhaps primarily menthol interact with the same nerve endings in your mouth that detect physical cold. It's triggering the exact same sensation in your brain. Pretty cool sort of like cups as in triggers heat. Oh, okay. And there are a lot of all title oils in meant a different ones in different concentrations in different types of meant these these are oils that we tend to experience as flavors because they interact with some of the nerve endings in our mouth and nose. Another common. One is limiting which is citrusy. Most of these oils are produced by Zocalo, these these we glands that are all over midst skin on the leaves and stems and flowers, and they're basically a defense system against bugs, both insects and microbe bugs. Yeah. Sort of like. Big chemical warfare, water balloons, just all over the plant at a microscopic level. You know, something tiny enough disturbs these glands they'll burst with all of these oils all over the unfortunate creature and some of these oils are even toxic to humans in large enough amounts. But yeah, as with other plant defense systems like suckers humans decided we liked that. Yeah. We don't care though there. And these these glands are protected from just blowing off of the skin of meant by ton a little spikes, which is why mitt leaves feel a little bit fuzzy man listeners, you are missing a lot of excellent hand. I gotta say I'm extra gesture I like it. Okay. So so so those glands being all over the surface of meant is why you can just gently brush against him plant and come away with that sent on your hand. It's also why you should be gentle with meant when you're using it in cocktails or cooking most of that desirable flavors right there on the surface, the actual juice of the mint leaf and stem is a little bit bitter and kind of unpleasant. So for example, like if you're making them, oh hito. You don't want to muddle the meant hard enough to juice it. You just want to bruise the skin and flatten those little spikes leading those balloons released their oils. Found good. I experienced the sadness. I was like, oh, maybe I'll try. No, no, no, don't do that. No. But what about the nutrition of mint mint is another one of those herbs that can bring a lot of flavor to dishes without adding calories rates, and it has so many fascinating medicinal, potentially medicinal properties. And throughout history. It has been believed to process medicinal qualities. Oh, yeah. By essentially, everyone who has ever interacted with it because of because of cooling properties that I mentioned, you know, it features in Arabic and traditional Chinese and western teamwork. Medicines people want thought it could induce perspiration. And ministration one of the reasons why meant got this rep of healthy on a level that made it stand out from other fragrant herbs is because of that cooling sensation of menthol. And I just I hadn't considered it until I really considered it. But like the phrase breath mints could for someone like me. I can't I don't get. Meant flavor, but I still call it a breath mint. It's solidified its position, cinnamon breath meant that contains no. Oh intimate. I tried that for a while still. Men can also act as a pain killer and a pest repellent it can reduce itching from insect bites and it's used in some decongestions as well as medications that treat sunburn. Yeah. Those those title oils that I bet did minute ago can have other effects on our bodies as well as producing flavor some products that he's been oils arguing it in like a folk medicine kind of application and some do use it for that flavor. For example, neither meant nor menthol who've been confirmed to actually work as decongestions in your sinus tract, but they do clinically make people feel like they're breathing easier, and they might be relieving a little bit of the pain associated with sinus inflammation, because there is definitely research confirming some of mints uses topically on the skin for itching, not just insect bites all kinds of itchy problems for treatment of gastrointestinal issues, like irritable bowel syndrome, taken in these specially prepared pills to that. That pass through the stomach digested. Peppermint oil does seem to have a relaxing effect on smooth muscle tissue. Which is the kind that Europe that your guts are made of. And as a pain reliever. Oh, this one is cool. Okay. So we we already talked about how compounds in mint can can interact with those same nerve endings detect cold. Well, you have a variety of nerve endings throughout your body that can do that too. One such receptor found a small number of nerve cells in your skin. Does this interesting thing when it Tex cold it inhibits pain signals from being sent from that area to the brain. And this is RAD because it might be able to be used topically safely to treat neuropathy pain that that's pain caused by damage to your nerves themselves or by something going wrong in your in your pain, signalling system, these types of pain tend to be chronic. And it's what opioids are prescribed for think like dramatic diseases tension headaches stuff like that. So yeah. More clinical research does need to be done. But the preliminary research is pretty solid. That's awesome. Yeah. I should say here that as with any. Potential remedy consulted. Doctor before you go putting medicinal doses of anything in or on your body. Yes. Especially take care if you're pregnant or nursing don't don't rub men oil on a baby. No, we are do not get your medical advice from a food podcast. Almighty, you do that. Never take our advice about anything to do with babies, especially probably that's fair. Yeah. That's fair. When I was looking at meant sensitivities and allergies to get to the bottom of whatever is the deal with me in meant, I found several studies that suggest an allergic reaction to meant can lead to asthma. Also, the culprit behind my allergy or whatever it is could be the same thing that it can relate to aspirin in which I also I'll really I don't know if it's allergic, but I got a problem with both those things. Yeah. Well, more research to be done more research. And speaking of more research, we have some mint numbers, redo, peppermint and spearmint are the most commercially grown varieties of meant according to something. I read the global demand for menthol is twenty thousand metric tonnes who. But only thirteen thousand metric tonnes is sourced from plants. Yeah. The USDA classifies spearmint as an invasive species in Tennessee and other parts of the south grow your Minton. Pots, y'all. That's very serious look on her face. I'm very serious about it. I've heard tell of mint I think from you. I'm a little more little nervous about the whole thing to be honest, and you can find meant in everything all kinds of things. Gum tooth face. Fragrances for candles liquors ice cream. Teas hot chocolates cocktails candies. Jellies medicine cough, drops chapstick in state redes-, particularly with lamb of area English or Irish then. Yeah. Yeah. There's a world of mental out there. There is there is it's really popular around Christmas time here in the US, and I would wager probably other other places. Well, particularly peppermint, candy canes or the number one non chocolate selling candy the month of December in the US. And yes, I want to do an episode on candy canes so badly now because they have just a plethora of fund miss around them. I I took time out of should been spending research other things looking at candy canes that episode is coming later, but not today. Yeah. Yeah. Rap rabbit holes are real y'all. They are we should. Do remember when we did gingerbread in the middle of summer? Yeah. An annual like middle of summer Christmas food episodes of that. I like it. I like that tradition. -solutely we've got some history for you. But first we've got a quick break for from our sponsor. this episode of saver is brought to you by smart water. I drink a lot of water. I have witnessed you do it. Yes. There are a few things. I love more in life than some cool water after a workout and I love smart water, not only for the taste, but for the uniquely designed bottle because it's so great to grab when you're on the go twenty years ago. Smart water, reimagined, what water could be from the inside out today. They're continuing to find smart ways forward in everything they do from thoughtful bottle designed to supporting smart people where changing our world refresh thinking like you smart water has added electrolytes for taste and great tasting water helps you meet your goals. Whether you've got some new ones in two thousand nineteen or just aiming to look and feel your best every day. Refresh yourself with smart water. Emmer back. Thank you sponsor. Yes. Thank you. So the Mentha genus most likely I originated in the Mediterranean in Europe, and or Asian Africa, depending on the type all the way back to at least three hundred BC meant was seen as a symbol of hospitality. Folks, would drew them at banquets to welcome guest and also in general to keep mice away either in the home or where grain resort and also they would wear them as crowns like oh. You know that? I like that. According to Greek mythology Haiti's loved a nymph named Mentha soa jealous process, any his wife transformed Mentha into a plant, but he's hoping to make things a little more bearable for her life as a plan gave her a sweet fragrance hooping folks would have would appreciate your sweetness. In another version, I found seventy stomped on Mitha until she was dust and Haiti's brought her back to life as the fragrant mint plant, and I went on a whole green with envy rabbit hole after reading that. But I it it turns out it's old pal. Shakespeare, probably oh that guy that guy there. Multiple multiple versions of that myth share those are the two key the basics. Yes. And this is where the word meant probably derives from that name, which itself probably came from a dead, pre Greek language. Yeah. Which in which it was the name for the plant like the Mentha myth is an origin story for this plant. That was already familiar to everybody time is a flat circle. Speak. Speaking of flat circles, interestingly the word meant, meaning like, a place that prince or stamps money is from a different Latin root, monitor meaning money makes sense. I I guess I guess it's also if you if you type in minutes the first couple of results, I found were for the US mint other types of money meant place. Absolutely. Anyway, the ancient Greeks were fund of minutes, and they used it in their funerals in their homes as a freshener, and as a remedy for indigestion meant did get an association with death as well. And that's one of the reasons it was used at funerals perhaps because of this myth L with processing eighties. Yeah. And it was used to cover the smell of the dead. Egyptians might have used meant as a currency because it was so prized for its perceived cleansing abilities mints were described as a tithing herb in the bible. Yeah. Yeah. The Pharisee is we're like a give us money or meant whichever is fine money are meant. Yeah. And then money minutes. I know it's all there. Plenty of the elder wrote about meant in first century, see advising students to wrap meant around their heads to delight the soul for the good of the mind and more efficient learning, basically, clear your mind and you'll concentrate better. Okay. Yeah. Aristotle also wrote about mitt, but he warned soldiers should avoid it before battle because it might diminish their willingness to fight like the concept was like they might chill out so much or they might just be so happy that they're smelling this lovely meant that they're just like, well, what's this all for anyway? Why can't we just be friends? Okay. Yeah. The I. In Chinese literature. Maybe from four seventy see in. Oh, anybody help me with this one then going pow lung, which is sometimes translated as master lays muster lays, a treatise on the preparation of medicines or some variant thereof. Yep. So they certainly back towards that time in probably for a long time before they already had the digital uses in there. Yes. Going on. Peppermint has been distilled into oil and Japan for centuries as well. Some of the first mouthwashes out of medieval Europe, where a mixture of mentally use and vinegar. Oh, or or Moore's them flee, folks. But just you on the mental eve meant infused steam vapor was used in sick rooms to add frequences to Beth as sort of a nerve stimulants to give relief to dry hands to treat dog bites all kinds of things herbalist. John Gerard wrote that spearmint rejoice as the heart of men. Oh, I mean, I mean, not your heart. Maybe. Not your stomach. Yeah. My heart is briefly haffey. There's like a two minute window where I'm like oh. Commercial production got underway in Britain in the seventeen. Fifties. Mint made its way across the Atlantic with the first pilgrims and okay. So when you think of mints are at least when I think of mints, one of the first things, I think of is dental hygiene shore. Yeah. So if we kind of go down that path Alto. It's got their start in the eighteen seventies. A product of London confectionary Smith and company marketed as a stomach SU there rather than eight breath freshener, the high dose of peppermint extract, made them far more concentrated than the leaves themselves. By this point. We see the earliest analyses of menthol like scientific what's going on here. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, no. I mean like other lozenges of the time. This was definitely like an entrance into being actual candy like there's layers there's layers. Simultaneously, dentist? Washington Sheffield invented toothpaste mixture of baking soda and hydrogen peroxide meant along with other flavors were added into that to mask the flight records as you can imagine baking soda and hydrogen peroxide, not the most delicious on their own. No, definitely not. And then we get listerine listerine comes onto the scene in eighteen seventy nine a combo of eucalypt tall, which is a hall infused with eucalyptus time all add menthol dentists began using it on their patients and in nineteen fourteen listerine convinced the public large that they had bad breath. And they needed listener you to solve it. It was probably true the first part anyway, the second part. Yeah. That's fair. That's fair. The association of the cooling of the menthol and breath freshening was really starting to solidify at this point as meant was becoming more popular in the US, more and more state started to grow it. But the two front runners were New York and Michigan huge fields of peppermint and spearmint turned into oils and extracts after being distilled into that. And to read airy these operations were huge and in the early twentieth century Michigan accounted for ninety percent of the global mint flavoring market. Wow. Ninety percent. But then in the nineteen twenties a blade of fungus wiped out a lot of the meant crop production shifted over to the northwest with growers attempting to breed a blade resistant crop up until the nineteen nineties. Washington state in Oregon turned out the bulk of the world's mint flavoring. But with the advent of cheaper synthetic flavoring and cheaper extracts and oil. From places like China. And India a lot of the major companies have moved away from US mint producers. And speaking of China and India, they both began cultivating meant in the nineteen sixties commercially. And if we step back a bit further to post World War Two Brazil got in on the game with others American countries following soon after Brazil and speaking of synthetic menthol, the company Harman and Rymer GmBH the same company that was the first to commercialize synthetic vanilla figured out synthetic menthol and nineteen Seventy-six or the first iteration of it, the Takasogo international corporation of Japan. Perfected the process of synthetic menthol in two thousand one I do think recently there have been even more perfection of it. You can't perfect perfection. You can project a process creative. You know what I mean? And I wanted to mention this as well because in classic and classic saver style. We missed this whole thing. But I was interested the McDonald's shamrock shake. Okay. Yes. All right is is that mitt flavored. Oh, exactly. Exactly. Okay. Look it debuted in nineteen seventy. And after it went off the menu firm, and it in the nineties it came back in two thousand due to customer demand, and in two thousand twelve it became nationally available in the US, but outside of that is kind of rare a few places in Canada and Ireland have them. So I guess yeah. Shamrock shake. What is it? Well, it is a super neon green milkshake. But yeah, no one's entirely. Sure. What the flavor is. I from my childhood like I to be fair. I have not had these in one of these in a very long time. But I thought it was just a vanilla milkshake. That was just green that makes sense and possibly true. Okay. So some sources say it began as a lemon lime sherbert type thing. Oh, yeah. And then evolved into plain vanilla died green in nineteen seventy three and then in nineteen Eighty-three evolved. Again, two minutes, if you look up the nutritional info, you'll find that it's vanilla flavored with Shimron, sir. That's lever comes from natural flavored parentheses plant source, which we would assume is meant I mean plant source can be anything. I mean, it could be vanilla as well. I mean, it could I mean, it could be a lot of stuff. It could be liquorice of my goodness. We need somebody to get to the bottom of this. It seems the general consensus seems to be that there is meant involved somehow now. Okay. But it is mostly vanilla like, it's a light. It's a light mint -ment flav. And nowadays there's multiple flavors like chocolate shamrock shake, and especially designed straw. Oh. This shake, okay? And the shame rock she is credited with helping impart to create the Ronald McDonald house charities. You can see are. We don't really talk about specifically this, but you can see her McDonald's episode for more about that whole thing. Absolutely, whatever the flavor sixty million shamrock shakes have been sold since their inception. And it's an excellent study in artificial scarcity. Also, there is a shamrock tracker for finding one in the off season track him down to different states. Hey, yeah. Yeah. Because right because the offseason being like not around Saint Patrick's Day because right because we in America have a very specific concept of what Saint Patrick's Day is about and it's green, and it's green and there's shamrocks involved Yip Hintze SanMar shake. Yeah. There's a whole story about how New York actually didn't have shamrock shakes until twenty twelve. And then when they got them, I think it's twenty twelve but recently issue, and when the got them Jimmy Fallon went to McDonald's and bought like a hundred of them for his for the audience. Yes. And people were mad because they sold out of the shamrock sheets because of Jimmy Fallon. It was a kerfluffle. It was kerfuffle. And to end this whole shave rocks. Jake. That we've gone. Weird mascot of the episode. We present McDonald lands uncle ogrim Assi Ono, the green Irish uncle of grimace, a really the nineteen seventies and eighties. He had merch and an Irish accent. Oh, I'm sure that that was strictly authentic accent? Oh, yes. Yes. Now, I know what I'm googling after we finish this show. Yes. It's worth it is weird. It's so weird is it as horrifying as the grimaces. But like just slightly more racist. Yeah. Cool. Well, that's great. There's like a weird origin story to jinx the shamrock sake. I think it was before they solidified grimacing ogrim ac-. She grimaced drinks, the shamrock shake, and he turned he like slowly Spacek turned his green. And it's really creepy. Oh, all right. But I highly recommend looking at. Yes. We'll we'll do. Yeah. And I guess that wraps up our episode on meant I think that there's a lot of little pathways. I I definitely want to do a whole other episode. Yeah. On candy canes. And so these these other mint candies which whole there's a lot there. But yeah in the meanwhile, we've got a little bit more from you. But first we've got one more quick break for word from our sponsor. Instead of an ad today. We wanted to tell you about a new podcast from our friends, Robert lamb, and Joe McCormack hosts of these signs podcast stuff to blow your mind might have heard of it. Their new show is called invention and every Monday on the show. 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There's a lot of mouth noises. I apologize for that everybody. But I had to get my point across. So that you understand. Very important. Very yes. Dan wrote we have a family tradition on birthdays where we always get a big pretzel for the family gatherings. There's a local shop that makes all sorts of pretzels ranging from pretzel, burgers and hotdogs to your normal. Little twist. They also make specialized shapes we usually order pretzel in the shape of whatever. The theme is for our kids. Birthdays, we've done Elmo Pepe pig. Darth Vader in a whole bunch more this year. My son is having a dinosaur. Pretzel and included a pick just to show you how cool they are. And yes, it is cool. It is so cool where we're going to follow up with Dan. And see if we can post this unsocial because it is it like y'all like I thought that Jurassic Park did a pretty good job of illustrating dinosaurs. But I was wrong. This is the this is what dinosaurs looked like. Yes, they need to include this in textbooks. It's beautiful. It's glorious oh arena wrote. The region I'm from and west Germany, close to the Luxembourg and Belgium border has its own pretzel related custom. I wanted to share with you. Each November eleventh St. Martins day is celebrated throughout Germany children will make colorful paper lanterns and walk in procession across town singing songs at the end of the procession. Each kid will get a little reward in the form of a big soft sugar pretzel called a Martin's Brett growing up. I love these pretzels so much. I would trade my cousins, my toys for bite out of their pretzels. Unlike a normal soft pretzel, the dough is enriched with butter milk, and or quirk baked until just golden Brown without the lie bath, and then glazed with a butter milk mix and covered in sugar the pretzels of my childhood were easily as big as my head and the fluffy est thing I've ever eaten. Now, I live in the UK and every year round of ember the craving for Martin's spread soul returns with no way of getting a quick fix. Luckily, for me, my grandma has recently discovered an old recipe and her books, so come November. I will give it a try that sounds so good. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Let us let us know. How it turns out send us send us pictures? Yes. Yes. She did send some from past years, and they look amazing. Yeah. Look delicious and soft and fluffy that one. Yeah. And I want one the size of my head. Now. I thought I was done with my pretzel cravings, but continue to do forever. Anyway, if you would like to Email us like these wonderful listeners, dude, thank you for emailing. You can Email is Hello at saver. Pod dot com were also unsocial media. You can find us on Instagram Facebook and Twitter at saver pud. We do hope to hear from you. Savor is a production of iheartmedia and stuff media for more podcasts from iheartradio. 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China's Efforts To Control Coronavirus Leads To Less Air Pollution
"China's efforts to control the corona virus have meant many residents stayed at home in factories. Just shut down. That had an unintended effect. Less air pollution cleaner air can improve public health. Maybe even save lives joining me to explain why that isn't so simple. In China right now is NPR climate correspondent Lawrence Summer. Hi Laurin I Rachel. All right first off just explain. How big the drop was in air pollution. In China it was significant. It was down a quarter two third in some places compared to the same time period last year. And that's because people have been driving less but the big thing is coal consumption because power plants and industry has ramped down. We're starting to see an uptick. As China's activity is increasing. And that hasn't been true everywhere. Beijing actually saw an air pollution spike outdoors and February. Because there was a weather pattern trapping the pollution there okay so if power plants factories were running less that also means carbon emissions dropped. That's right about a quarter now. That's a tiny fraction of China's yearly emissions but it still substantial because China is the largest emitter of greenhouse gases in the world so even that Short period of time in China equals would a state like Illinois or Ohio emits an entire year. Wow so even though. It's only a little bit over a month that we're talking about for these improvements. It's substantial enough to make a difference in people's lives. Yeah even a short term drop in something like air. Pollution can actually have benefits and a good example of that is the two thousand eight summer Olympics in Beijing to improve air quality during the Games government officials limited car traffic and they shut down factories and researchers actually tracked people during that time period and they saw improvements in cardiovascular health and lung health. They found that babies whose mothers spent their third trimester during the Olympic Games. Were born with heavier verse weights. Okay so that was years ago our people in China right now. Seeing those benefits yeah. It's a good question because the potential is really big here. You know. It's estimated that air pollution is linked to more than a million deaths per year in China. So I put that question to Jill. Baumgartner she's an environmental epidemiologist at McGill University. It would be a mischaracterization to say that the crow virus was beneficial to health because of these air pollution reductions in addition to tens of thousands of people who were impacted by the virus in China place stress on people's lives and on the healthcare system and lots of other sectors. She says that people with health conditions other than cove in nineteen may have not been getting the healthcare. They really needed during this time. Period and people may have spent more time indoors so they would have been exposed to more secondhand smoke potentially or indoor air pollution from coal-burning stoves which are used in some parts of rural China. Presumably though as the corona virus is contained in China. This drop we've seen in emissions is going to be a race by the fact that the factories the power plants. They're going to go back online and return to normal right. Yea and of course. There's an incredible human toll here associated with this reduction in emissions and there's also a high likelihood that it's going to be canceled out as China tries to make up for its economic losses and really starts ramping up power plants and factories in the near term. Npr climate correspondent. Lauren summer. Thank you thanks.
The Croissant: Who You Calling Flakey?
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And welcome to save a production of I heart radio and stuff media. I'm and I'm Laurin vocal bomb. And today we're talking about croissants assaults as I was thinking about this. I was like coming up with all my favorite Crisanto memories. And I realize most of the things that are my favorite memories. I'm not sure count as thoughts. Oh, which we will get into. Oh, yeah. Yes. There is a precise. Definition of what a Crisan is. And. Yeah, things that are croissant shaped. I mean, the word means crescent spoiler alert. So I guess I guess many things can be crescent shaped. But it's true. And so yeah. One of the things that I used to love is that kid and people are good. They're gonna grown allowed. But I loved those pills Pillsbury. Super buttery useful for like if you wanna stuff things in their tastes to you make those pinwheel thing. Yeah. And and it's you know, the the they come in those canisters that are so completely. Terrified are terrifying. Glad you agree. Yeah. Yeah. It's a little thrill of danger. Every time you have to get this food, and like, well, it's all processed. I used to love my I think I've mentioned before. But my grandfather used to make panel Shaq allow which is crescent a croissant with chocolate in it. But not really but in my team, Joe. Yeah. In my mind, I always thought it was a croissant. Doing this episode. I've learned to the air of my ways, it's really funny too. Because I I know it means like chocolate bread, essentially, it's even in the name. That's right there. It's pretty much right there. But. That's okay. Oh, yeah. Oh, yes. That is just about that is like one of my favorite foods on this planet. It was my go-to you, and I was living in Belgium, probably every day cheap. And then another thing I mentioned is the I can't remember the kick up said the kit, Kat, croissants, fantastic. Oh, man, if people in Japan. You gave me great joy. Great jerk that invention. I should use one of these and make my own, but they're hard to make. They are hard to make. That's that is why they are so delicious. Yes. And we'll get into all that. But this brings us first to our question. Yes. Croissants. What are they? Well, a croissant is eight type of meanwhile, Wasser made with laminated dough totally clear, right, laminate. Yeah. Let's let's let's unpack that a little bit this time. The literal translation of the French word in west Serie is a thing from Vienna. And you can probably tell just by that one sentence that our history section is going to be really interesting. But yes, literally think from Vienna inn west series are a category of French baked goods, and or pastries that use yeast risen dough that's rich ind with butter, and sometimes eggs or milk. They are rich and on the Savery side unless you add fillings that are sugary brioche also falls into this category. Laminated dough meanwhile is a category of does that have been rolled out. And then sandwiched with a thick layer of butter. Then folded and rewrote and refloated and re rolled creating a Finnish pastry that's made up of lots of thin layers of dough separated by thin layers of butter their flaky and tender puff pastry. Also falls into this category. So a croissant is a rich pastry. Made up of lots of thin flaky buttery layers of yeast dough. Traditionally they are cut into triangles and then rolled and baked into that crescent shape. And yeah, you can use the same dough to make other shapes, and you can add feelings, but I would not call the resulting pastries Khorasan's Norwood. A lot of people have discovered. I very glad to know this now as I move forward in my future of croissants. I understand. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's it's okay. It's okay. We are all only human. It's true. Yeah. True. Remember, I think when we first started doing this show, and I let you borrow that book make the bread by the butter, something, maybe it's other. No, no, it definitely make better. Yeah. That I should probably give it back to, you know, raise this wasn't kind of like some weird shades things that you'd give it back. I just remember in there that the recipe for croissant. She was like just just. Yeah. Very complicated. It's a lot. But we got a got a section on that later on. There's couple like like tricks that will kind of help. Andrew. But it's still a lot of work. Yes. Yes. And nutrition wise, there's a lot going on. Yeah. That layer of butter that you sandwich into the dough can be anywhere from like twenty five to sixty percent of the amount of dough that you use. Oh, so so you can be dealing with really quite a lot of butter and all that butter means that Khorasan's pack Clark punch and about a third of your daily recommended intake of saturated fat in a single pastry. Ooh. Yeah. I'm that said, I mean, you know, like that fills you up and there's some protein in there from the butter, and we and milk solo. It is in the treat category. Overall. You know, it's more sustaining pastry than something more sugary. Next time. You someone's giving you a side. I about you croissant and us be like it's more sustaining than other pastries. This is basically a protein bar. That's nonsense. I would try to full. So numbers the first results. I got when I Gould croissant numbers were this this croissant formula or formulas every multiples for determining how many layers are in a croissant. And I even have a little picture here. Because I was so intrigued by it. Yeah. Yeah. Depending on how tightly you roll it or many roles you do. I mean, but, but that's you know, there's layers within those layers. Here's what family. Layers all the way down in the song. I am God Konya west raps about croissants quote. I am God. So hurry up with my damn massage in a French asks restaurant. Hurry up with my damn croissants. I am God. And then. In response, some bakers. I think tweeted primarily at him with recipes and cooking times for croissants, which is so good. Let's beautiful. That's that's I'm going to say the at A plus use of Twitter. Yes. The chocolate croissants, are you know, that technically with on? But that pastry is the selling pastry at Starbucks at this not surprise me. No, not at all fifty percent of the croissants in France. Are what are called industrial croissants. So that means they're bought frozen and baked in house, which I think we've discussed before fringe people kind of get mad about that sort of thing. Oh, yeah. There's a whole discussion surrounding authenticity. And in all of that. So yeah, it's I just found a thirty two page paper about the food ways of the Crisan. And that is discussed in depth who in it. I believe it. Yeah. There are all kinds of riffs on croissants nowadays. You've got the pretzel croissants the infamous crow nut which is the croissant. Doughnut the bagel croissant. I read about one made with Bri lower sounds, so good. Oh got really excited about that. And then I found I found in argument about the the British croissant apparently straight listeners right in. Oh. And it's it's a source of controversy. Another controversy course. And also I read that the British use jam which is highly frowned down. You do not do that like inside. Or or like is it? I think they cut it off and put it in. Okay. I don't know. I just was kind of startled at the length of this article about the British doing croissants. You know? However, you wanna eat it. I don't I don't judge. And yeah, yeah. That's the whole chocolate open thing because it's not that shape that crescent shape, which it does make sense with the name the it's not gonna croissant. Anyway, there are lots of country-specific versions like Suisse's, a Gipp fillet, the polish Martin's, glazed and topped with sprinkles for the feast day of or San Martino. Yeah. Yeah. That sounds lovely does. And the croissant has an interesting history, and we'll get into that. But first we're going to pause for a quick break for word from our sponsor. This episode of saver is brought to you by smart water. I drink a lot of water. I have witnessed you do it. Yes. There are a few things. I love more in life than some cool water after a workout and I love smart water, not only for the taste, but for the uniquely designed to bottle because it's so great to grab when you're on the go twenty years ago. Smart water, reimagined, what water could be from the inside out today. They're continuing to find smart ways forward in everything they do from thoughtful bottle designed to supporting smart people who are changing our world. Refresh thinking like you smart water has added electrolytes for taste and great tasting water helps you meet your goals. Whether you've got some new ones in two thousand nineteen or just aiming to look and feel your best every day. Refresh yourself with smart water. And we're back. Thank you sponsor. Yes. Thank you. And we are back with another controversy. Yes. Because although the croissant is French. I mean, how French is it how fringe is. I'm actually I'm not sure how excited people get about croissants, but I feel like pretty excited. So I feel like it's controversial. But maybe. Maybe some. Well. Okay. Let's let's present the facts. Yes. Yes. Because as you might have guessed from the name the translation that Lorne gave the at the top the croissants, most likely was a fancy import to France from Austria. So not from France. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Let's let's move on you, you you could say you could say that it was imported from Austria and finalized in. Oh, yes. That's we'll say that. But let's good into some of this the the nitty gritty of this croissant history. The spiritual predecessor of the croissant. The Kip fell originated in sixteen eighty three. And the kid fell is a baked good in the shape of a crescent featuring a lot of butter and lard and sometimes sugar sometimes almonds Bill and goes at the Kip fell arose as part of a celebration after the Austrian victory at the siege of Yeta, and you can see our pretzel up for more about that. Oh, I loved it. Just keeps coming up. I know like thank you bakers of Austria, you're like doing everything you're up early. And. Yeah. Heard some tunneling under your city, and you let people know and pretzels and croissants were involved somehow. Maybe maybe. Yeah. It's pretty it's like a legend. But so the story goes that. Yeah. After they these bakers who heard this tunneling alerted the authorities. There is this big celebration that the crescent shape there was this baked good. They made specifically for the celebration in the shape of a crescent that was meant to resemble the Ottoman flag because they hit a yeah. A fought back the the invasion of the Ottoman empire. Writes this is supposed to symbolize eating your enemy. Oh, he bad ass. That's great sponsor way more metal than I thought. Right. Yeah. So next time. Yeah. You're eating protein. Heavy monitorable. That's a croissant. That's the true spirit of the beautiful. Yeah. Just miss side, Kip furlough is the German word for crescent and some Islam. Ick. Fundamentalist refused to eat the croissant because it resembles their religious symbol. However. Ever the kid fell existed before this legendary events Apoel from twelve twenty seven CE mentions a crescent shaped bread product, given as a Christmas gift from baker's Vienna to Duke Leopold and moon-shaped breads, go back centuries before that I feel like we talked about that in our cake episode talked about it and it cert- episode. Yeah. I think of cake, maybe maybe waffles. Maybe man, that's a throwback. Yeah. I was a old timey hot minute ago. I lo- awful. I don't need to be thinking about that right now. Okay. All right, okay. In another aside to throw in here. These days if you order a kit fell in Germany or Austria, you're more likely to get a crescent shaped cookie as house to this kind of pastry croissant type thing. But okay, let's give France some credit where credit is due. There's a popular legend at Marie onto a net. Introduced the Kip fell to France when she was feeling homesick for via fun story. But there is no real evidence for it El, no. Yeah. Whatever the case the cafe did make its way to France. And if we go back a bit to eighteen thirty eight and Austrian August Zang, he moved to Paris, France and opened the first Viennese bakery in the city called LA Boulogne. Shreve in was it was well liked and well advertised, and it had these spectacular window displays that people adored. And of course, he sold Kip fell possibly given a lift sheen thinks to esteem oven. Okay. I find I just like thinking about old time you how you found ways around things we just take for granted. And despite having what sounds like a very successful bakery. He shut it down after a couple of years and relocated back to Austria where he founded that country's first daily newspaper, and he made Bank. Also, he worked in the banking industry and the mining industry. He was a man of many interests. All right and there's an elaborate tomb in Vienna. Central cemetery to him and no mention of the the croissant. Would love if people who've been there had taken pictures. Yeah. The Mirwais sounds like it's pretty. Do you expect? That's awesome. Okay. All right. But so he had set up the sort of a trend for Viennese style. Pastry in Paris. Yes. It kind of reminds me of like, which is so funny. But the cronut like it sounds like it was kind of this trendy bakery to go to you. And that. Yeah. Yeah. After even after he left the love of Kip full had bins by eighteen forty as you could find a dozen or so bakers making Viennese breads, and pastries it didn't take long for the croissant to be adopted as a breakfast food. Charles Dickens, even mentioned, quote, the dainty croissant on the boudoir table after visiting Paris in eighteen seventy two ish while simultaneously calling out the dismal monotony of English breakfast foods. Oh, yeah. Dane. The first written mention of the croissant. Infringe could be found. An awesome pans eighteen fifty three days substance, automated tear, the first recipe for croissant is because it wasn't quite what we would. Call a croissant today appeared about fifty years later and Joseph vas to Chanel universal to cuisine at the eighteen eighty nine world's fair, which is the one the Eiffel tower was built. Croissants made their debut. I mean had already debuted. But this was like a big deal the grand debut. A lot of the attributes today. That's good. It's good. I like it. Thank you. Because you're about the only one. Hey, it helps the production. Even if it doesn't make it into the to the final product, the the emotion is there. We're both gesturing about the emotion. Yes. I imagine you listeners know that gesture, you know, the emotion just. And then in nineteen sixty three a little company called Pillsbury launched their refrigerated crescent rolls and debuted poppin fresh, aka the Pillsbury dough. Boy, I don't know if I knew his name was poppin fresh. I. I feel like they should bring that back because that's great. It is it sounds like you how you would lamely. If it was me describe like a song you heard. Yeah. Poppin fresh are like shoes. Maybe. Yeah. I'm I'm picturing that like he he's dressed much more like the fresh prince of Bel-Air. Version anyway, somebody makes that. And then with the help of industrialization and the introduction of premade frozen dough a century later. This is a century from I've really messed up the timeline a century from the world's fair. So yeah. Like around the same time that Pillsbury thing was happening. We which had kind of been this fancier luxuriance thing became more readily available and they were croissant. Teddies? These takeaway croissant places that started showing up across France yet in this really kicked in around the late nineteen seventies. Some historians see this as a way for France to to sort of take back their culinary scene. Because around that time American fast food joints had started popping up and Crisanto raised countered that by offering sandwiches made with this. You know, very French base of Crisan, although this demand also led to further industrialization and innovation and wider popularity which would serve to further. Distance croissants from their origins. So much stuff so much layers upon layers like you said here's upon layers in nineteen Eighty-one Sara Lee came out with their frozen croissants, and they quickly became a best seller. And then seeing this fast food chains like Burger King and arby's. Started offering croissant breakfast sandwiches in by nineteen Eighty-four. The New York Times ran with the headline claiming that the Americanization of the quest. Sants had begun. And then further proof the krona I feel like that's a pretty Americanization of. Yes. Yeah. I mean, it's it's related is not I would say, it's probably not a croissant is definitely not a class on anymore, but came out in two thousand thirteen. Oh, wow. Yeah. Right. So so soon and yet so far. I know I know it is interesting. I hadn't I I guess I just like internalize this, but I'd never really considered it. But how the croissant is just this kind of symbol of France. I think if you just ask somebody to come up with stereotypical. This represents France, it would be a beret. Uh-huh. A bag at stripes. Yeah. On a croissant? It's up there, certainly. I could be wrong. Maybe this is just me. But I I think that's the that's the American persists for sure American perception. But yeah, the croissants like this become this cultural icon in France. So that's that's about our history. We've been teasing some science here. Yeah. And we will get into that. As soon as we get back from a quick break for word from our sponsor. Today's episode is brought to you by save the food dot com. Each year up to forty percent of food in the United States never gets eaten. This translates to two hundred and eighteen billion dollars lost in wasted water energy fertilizers cropland in production costs. The average American throws away over twenty pounds of food per month for the average family of four that's nearly one thousand pounds of food every year gone to waste resulting in one thousand five hundred dollars lost and sad vegetables. 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And yes, there is a difference there between baking and pastry classically French bakers were working with the heat of ovens to do their science slash magic. Whereas pastry chefs working with the chill of ice with jellies and things and fruit fillings stuff like that. The trick of making a good croissant is to work with very cold dough and butter and then to let the heat of the oven perfect them. And to talk about that. We I have to talk about east poop what food. Yeah. The in Weiser redo its yeast risen, which means that you've let a colony of yeast grow in the dough, you feed them a little bit of sugar, and they'll poop carbon dioxide and flavor. The flavor part in croissants is usually pretty minimal you have to let a a colony grow for at least several hours to really make enough flavor. Compounds to be super noticeable at which point argument would us friends lactic acid bacteria are also probably involved, and I have read recipes that will have you do this let let it proof for several hours to overnight. But it's optional. However, the carbon dioxide part is critical these tiny air bubbles are what make baked goods fluffy. But hey, another thing that can make baked goods fluffy is butter and water and follow with me here because into and of themselves. Neither better nor water are things that one would really describe. It's fluffy. Both are almost entirely unlike say marshmallows. Yes. But the moisture in each will evaporate when exposed to heat, meaning it will expand into steam in baked goods this can provide lift in a DOE as long as the structure of the dope can support it an increase aunts. You've created Hella structure because you have laminated. The dough you've made all those layers of the butter melts and the moisture from it and from the DOE itself will boil and evaporate out the remaining fats and proteins from the butter coat each expanded layer of dough. And as the DOE continues to heat each of those layers cooks like a like a Panini in oppress except the press is made out of butter and hot air. Yeah. And then as the as the pastry continues to heat the starches and amino acids in the ingredients will react producing the yard reaction of Browning. On. I didn't really mention milk is one of the ingredients in the DOE. It helps with all of this. And so yes, that's how you get fluffy. Flaky flavorful layers that first bite crunches in crumbs everywhere. Oh zone messy. It's service is so good. And there are there are lots of good guides to making croissants online. The important part really is keeping everything cold like chilling. You're rolling surface, chilling, the dough chilling the butter and also making clean cuts when you create your triangles and being real delicate when you shape them, so that you don't Smoot layers. Yeah. You don't want us move. You don't wanna smooshed you've never not not not in Crisan in croissants, other things smooth. But yeah knows no small share not share. And and I wanted to to give you guys a couple references that I found super interesting, and helpful as I was pulling together these notes one is that thirty two page article about croissant food ways, it's called the way of the Crisan traditional perspectives on a traditional pastry. It's by one Rachel Hopkin and was published in the journal digest, though, which is a journal of food waste and culture. And yeah, that was great. And then there was a baking guide and fine cooking by one Robert Joran. Oh, it's got an awful lot. I'm not sure if I'm saying that right? I'm sorry. I've looked up so many French words today, and I'm butchering everything. Anyway, it's called baking light and flaky croissants, and it it's it's it seems good. I haven't used as methodology, but he's very thorough and laying everything out, and yeah, also, just I apologize for right? French pronunciation throughout this. I'm sure that some nice French speaker out there is. Cringing? Yeah. It's been a roller coaster pronunciation for sure. Our we've been living in fear. Every other words, but I think you know, we need to brace. We tried. We tried our best. Yeah. Yeah. I all all mistakes are mine. No offense intended. Yeah. Well that that's that's about the end of the croissant. It would you ever tried making one? Now, I kind of want to this is precisely the type of like really nit-picky pastry making that I enjoy doing. I also really enjoy making buck, lavar, which is which is different. But similar like it's got similar physics that go on while you're baking it, but but, but it wouldn't be considered this Viennese style pastry because you're not you're not rolling, Mike. You are with Crisanto. But yeah, just just the idea just the sheer mental image of rolling out dough. And then putting a slab of butter half the size of that dough down and folding just making that butter that initial butter sandwich. Yeah. Is just so sexy. Yeah. Have you have you tried? Oh, no. I remember reading that the entry in the book that we mentioned. And she was pretty flat out unless this is something you're like super excited about. 'cause I mean, the whole the premise of the book is like calculating the cost of ingredients. And then the cost of the time you like the labor. Yeah. Whether or not it's more cost effective. So we're not like telling you don't do if you want to do it. Yeah. Yeah. Take pictures and send us. Yes. It was more. Like, if you're just thinking, I'll try croissants, and you're not super excited about it. Maybe don't do that. Yeah. I think there was like two recipes in there that she I don't wanna say failed. But like. She couldn't get to work. Oh, Qassam might have been one of them. Oh, yeah. Anyway, I I would I after my disaster making buttermilk, biscuits and marshmallows that. I will gladly help you if you ever decide to do oh still need to have. We still need to have a cause. I can totally help you out with that. Anyway. Okay. Yeah. That's what we have to say about croissants. Next time. You're biting to Kasane. Just remember how medal it is. Be like. Like it. Like, he's the most weights hero. This brings us to listen. Buyers. So many layers. Jane wrote, I'm from Dunedin New Zealand, and while I could care less about whether Bob Lova is originally an Australian or New Zealand thing apart from to say that all can have Russell Crowe. And we'll keep the of. I can't couldn't for one thing. It's still issues as it is summer here at Christmas time is my family's go to for our Christmas dinner dessert my birthday happens to be a week after Christmas, and I have been known to request my mom oops up one for that celebration two. She only got a standard mixer couple of years ago, and before that whipped with an electric ham beater, so it has always been a labor of love and not to be trifled with. We see what you did there. And we like it Christmas just ain't Christmas without it. My mom's version tends to be a crisper flatter Pov than those marshmallow. We one sold in stores like Cowles, but it is much preferred by my family for sure the eggs are laid by her hands in the poverty is always topped and fresh whipped cream and fruit usually locally picked raspberries, and blueberries and is a perfect finisher to a summary Christmas lunch. Oh, that's nice. That's so delightful. I'll say hi to your mum's hens for. Sim-? Big couldn't pet pictures of been they've been coming in your love it the best Matteo wrote. I just listened to your food TV episode and your mention of dinner and a movie on TBS. Brought back font. Childhood memories. You see for some bizarre reason TBS was broadcast in southern Ontario for many years. I think every person in that region can fondly remember the channel and how it used to play amazingly rewatch -able movies, like Shawshank, Redemption, and Forrest Gump and Braves games today. I know considerably more about Georgia than I ever thought I would TBS several years ago was replaced by Peachtree TV a vestige of its former self no more saved by the bell in the mornings or dinner and a movie sad face. Any? I have a perfect Ed boiling recipe for your mother place exit. A pot cover them with water put the pot on the stove and place a lid on top bring the water to a rolling boil and as soon as it comes to enrolling boil turn off the heat and. This is important. Do not take the eggs off the stove for ten minutes after ten minutes. Take the eggs off cool immediately and peel perfect eggs. Every time. I have so many experiments at try. Out my onion goggles. Oh, it doesn't make any sense. I'm going to use them take some notes trial these weight, and then and then I'll go present by findings my mother, and maybe she won't hate willing. The gift that keeps on giving results in more deviled eggs than that's great. Or in a happier mother. Both are good both deviled eggs first mother's happiness. Are you about my priorities there? That's I'm gonna bad personnel. Okay. And I just want to say I too saw a Shawshank Redemption for the first time on TBS. Oh, I'm positive that that yes. Yes. So. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That and I'm breakfast club. So many movies that like when I saw them again, not in their edited for TBS format. Yes. I was like this is a different film. Why? Make more sense. Yeah. Oh, but yeah, thank you so much to both of them for writing in. 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Savor Classics: Gingerbread
"We celebrate we gift. We mask and we holiday and special holiday face masks for the family are now available at old navy. they're adjustable and made from breathable washable. Triple layer cotton according to cdc recommendations for non-medical masks plus they come in handy multi packs in sizes for kids and adults shop. New festive plaid's fair aisles. At amazing prince like santa's penguins bears and more they make fantastic stocking stuffers five packs. Twelve fifty and ten packs are just twenty five bucks at your local old navy or old navy dot com see old navy dot com for details. Your law even worse you twenty email address. Hello and welcome to save prediction of iheartradio. I'm an eerie. And i'm laurin vocal mom and today we've got a classic episode for you about gingerbread. Yes i in our recent episode own ginger indeed Yeah we we went ahead and listen to it and we're like oh yeah this doesn't suck can re run. There's a lot of talk about like gingerbread horror movies. It's a far flung episode for many reasons. Many episodes of ours are are like that too. Yeah yeah and this would actually came out in the summer when we originally right. Yeah august of twenty eight teen was the original air date for this one Because as we mentioned in the episode anti you just really had a bug about what gingerbread like buildings like what ginger architecture is all about. I still you know i understand my past self. I can see why she wanted to know. And it's one of my favorite things like after that listeners. Sentas all of these amazing yeah just feats of gingerbread architecture and it blows mine this it's mind-blowing In a okay. So so if anyone. Here's any kind of construction noise in the background. That's because construction is happening outside my window right now. I can't really. i can't really stop it. No i mean. I guess i could if i really tried to use my powers for good Yeah yeah so so apologies. If that is bothering anyone hopefully it doesn't come through that hard but Secondly and back on the topic gingerbread yes Right right now as this is about to air All of the recent news headlines about gingerbread are related to upcoming holiday season gingerbread construction contests. And i am so excited to regal in like a month and like seeing the results of all of this. Yes me too. I wanna go down like a nerdy of course do nerdy gingerbread on tried like the death star. I need to know. I need to know yeah right. Yeah because you were gifted a nerd themed gingerbread kit last year right us from super producer dylan fagin who knows me so well He gave me a marvel avengers new york city battle gingerbread kit and as i've mentioned previously a while back i was going to use it in our dungeons and dragons campaign that lauren and i have been in for many many years. It is many many years And i was going to build a dungeons and dragons diorama with this marvel of injures gingerbread kit which is exactly as it smells and listeners. Lauren was a witness is no she she did. Y'all it was the the. The cookies were decorated. It was it was medically appropriate. She involved Lighting the diorama. That was very fancy. Thank you and and the and these gingerbread pieces lasted through like a couple of years of this game so so happened was doing gave it to me. Then i don't think i got around to using it for a year along time time now but it was. It was decent amount of time. I think it was almost a year because it was a. He gave it to me in december of the previous year. And i don't think. I built it until maybe september adding here and then due to scheduling difficulties. I had it bill. And i was so proud of it and the party gets there and i'm like oh behold but then the power went l. on somebody's connection so we ended postponed and i didn't get to use it again for three months and i was opening. I'm like there's gonna be all these plugs rotten. Nope still smell good. Perfect perfect condition. I don't know how i feel about that. But that was the case. I did not eat it if anyone's like oh my god. Probably that's probably for the best. I mean if you don't see mold growing on it it's probably okay you know it's probably the The anti microbial properties of both sugar and maybe ginger and some of those other spices in there. That's just keeping it. Nice and preserved. Lauren always with the science. Various diorama gingerbread yeah. It smelt great So have you written in which we really appreciate about our rda and we finished the campaign we were at least. We finished my dmz. I of it. Yeah yeah that's gonna like year and a half it has yeah. We only managed to get together about once a month Because our other co workers who also have kids are co-players and so So scheduling everybody is difficult. But yeah yeah. We were victorious. We didn't we didn't term the entire party. It was so great. I felt so much i was for it. I was only worried for a few seconds. There is only a couple of times that i was worried. She tells us afterwards that like we were perilously close to a random role that would've just boned us forever. Phoned those characters into an usability forever. So i'm glad that that didn't happen. I'm real glad that did happen. I was you know. There's a a weird place because there's a part of you that's like really wants to win and wanted to lose but then also your friend and i don't want to ruin the game so i'm also don't want them to. It's an interesting intersection share share. There's a balance there's a balance there In you know you know if i've been i've been playing this This t- fling barbarian for what like three years now. If something had happened to her you know. I would be sad. I would be sad but But it would be okay. You know you're you're a bigger woman than i. I think i'd be interested. But maybe that's just the difference in personality as well But yeah. I'm sure we'll pick it back up soon and we actually have another campaign running at the same time but but we'd give you an update on the old bread diorama and campaign for anyone who curious there there. Oh also i took all these videos of of it. And i like after every session and in british string it together. It's going to be really funny. I think of always do what i think is gonna happen and then i do a post like well. Of course. that's great. Yeah you should that somewhere. That would be mortifying. I'm sure i mean it's usually pretty funny. It's usually like well. Mortifying for you mortifying for like us players. I don't think so. I think it was very funny. It was always like. Oh i thought they were gonna go do this really important thing but they wanted to go instead. They spent the entire session talking to an owl. Yes did happen. you know. that's the fun of it. You gotta roll with it. Got a little bit literally. Andy what you also got a rollout gingerbread. Oh there you go good tie back all right i guess without further ado we will Get into this classic episode mutt former indian lauren. Take it away. Hello and welcome to foodstuff on an eerie. And i'm laurin vogel bomb and today it's christmas in july apparently because we're talking about gingerbread. Yes we could not wait for the holidays. It was impossible to ask you. You could not wait for the holidays. And i was willing to come on this journey with you. Well you sold me out right at the beginning are i really wanted to get to the bottom of those. Dang houses i to know why people do that and we will talk about that. Oh yeah absolutely. I have right at the front. I feel like we can do this entire episode about just my gingerbread memories. Because i've got a lot of them. Yeah yeah and one one of my favorites is that every every christmas my family makes gingerbread. Okay we do make the pudding variety which i have learned is not technically ginger. It with some people like to fight with me over whether or not that's really what. What's the pudding variety. You like put butterscotch pudding in there. They're much softer and less like spicier. Okay i prefer them. Okay yeah you know. People like to fight about those things so we make them every christmas and one christmas. When i was fourteen i had my best friend over and we made the gingerbread and it's kind of a big ordeal like we rostom we sprinkle sharing thing. It takes eight minutes for them to cook. So i remember this because i came downstairs hoping to enjoy a wonderful warm plate of cookies and instead i find a note taped to the oven and says you can't catch me. I'm the gingerbread man and it was followed by a clue as to where his whereabouts. Oh my goodness this. Did he lead lead you on a scavenger hunt. He did there. Were fourteen clues. Fourteen clues my friend. And i fourteen years old had to go on the scavenger hunt. And my mom. It was my mom surprise surprise. I wasn't it wasn't actually the gingerbread man. But i love what she thought to do this for the first time like teenagers but we loved it so much that we kind of begrudgingly astor to do it again next year and it became a tradition And another thing. I love about art center. Bread tradition as my younger brother used to make what he would call a broken home. He would make like your traditional because we had a woman and a daughter and a son he would just make a bunch of them and then he'd like rip their arms off and stick them on their heads or whatever and then he'd put a heart in the middle and he'd break it in half. Oh my goodness. And when i asked him why he did this he said we're gonna bite their heads off anyway. Wow you revealed to me. That messed him up for a while as a kid 'cause he was younger when the the gingerbread may ran away at our house and when he thought well if it's an animate living being and we're just eating it it really wow really did a game number. Aww well i. I hope he's recovered. I think so. I do have some funny pictures. I should perhaps host of the broken home that does sound pretty. It's very creative. i've gotta say Yeah so i Have a lot of experience gingerbread in my lifetime. yeah i. I do not have such a strong gingerbread family. Tradition are are cookie. Decorating is usually with sugar. Cookies in my home Yeah that's my dad's preferred. He would very much prefer if we did that. As opposed to gingerbread outvoted. Yeah yeah i you know i. I like cookies. I can't really my gosh me too. Yeah cookie dessert chart. Well my desert chart cook is at the top cookies and pie and donuts are numbers. Those are the top three anyway This will probably be a future food. Fairy tale yeah totally we should. I would love to do a dramatic reading of a gingerbread man story. There are is it turns out a long history of those things that i'll get into that in a little while but in the meanwhile gingerbread what is it great question because originally like medieval europe originally gingerbread simply meant preserved ginger. It didn't shift to encompass the desserts we think of nowadays until the fifteenth century and that nowadays definition is pretty hilarious a combination of ginger and a sweetener like sugar trico molasses andrew hunting Yeah a variety of baked goods called gingerbread from cakes ranging from dense delicate and cookies ranging from soft to chewy to crunchy ginger and a non white form of sugar are the most important ingredients brown sugar molasses and etc helped gingerbread. Its its distinctive kinda roasti color but it's also frequently seasoned with warm wintry spices like cinnamon clove and nutmeg. And of course because it's a baked good butter and flour involved or some similac rim thereof in many traditions. The cookies are shaped and decorated with candies and white icing or glaze or maybe with chocolate or filled with speech stuff like marzipan that reminds me one of my first memories is making gingerbread house. Yeah yeah. I had a big party And we all made gingerbread houses. I think it's my third birth- only goodness Yeah that seems like a a tall order for three year. Olds was a lot of destroying the gingerbread houses. For sure. and just sticking gumdrops everywhere design. Oh yeah. I think we'd houses were made and we were decorating them anyway. Lots of memories this old brain and there's a lot of different types of gingerbread around the world is you could probably guess and building. Gingerbread houses is no joke in parts of germany. Russia poland and the czech republic and france. There are gingerbread regulation sanctioned by the government circa the middle ages. there's a museum of gingerbread turin poland. It's on the site of gingerbread factory. That opened back in eighteen. Eighty five and ran for a whole century In toren bakers still guard their recipes like very carefully but apparently they involve aging the dough for up to a year which means that my very favorite thing is probably involved bacteria soup. I wonder how many people said that with you. Oh i like to hope at least a solid to think if you're curious as to why gingerbread are such a fall winter treat it might be because Lot of those spices present engine bread cookies or gender bud were believed to have warming abilities. And it kinda makes you wonder about the warm feeling you get from food or it did for me. At least These spices also were reminiscent of the gifts of the magic to baby. Jesus and speaking of it's also possible at since the cookies are meant to look like men but they kind of really more looked like babies. They might have come to represent the jake. Yeah yeah and of course. Gingerbread is also a flavor now You can find recipes online fair gingerbread brownies and cookie bars trifles and cupcakes and cheesecakes and layer cakes popcorn and french toast. You name it. Gingerbread law to the gingerbread lotte yes i look gingerbread pancakes served. Lemon curd is one of the best things on the whole planet and diners that serve at year round. Are the very best diners. You can fight me. I'm on board. And i want to go now. I've never had that before. I lo- gingerbread here in atlanta Java jive does it. there's my my original gingerbread pancake. Experience was an austin. And i'm forgetting the name of the place off the top of my head but it was clearly like a transcendental experience for me. Wow all right well. Adding that to the to do list. Gingerbread has shown up a lot of cultural things as well a lot of media. Oh yeah yeah. yeah Gingerbread cookies were the couple in question in the cookie sutra. The gingerbread people are the main characters in the game candy. Land they also make up the nutcracker army and the nutcracker gingerbread men guest starred on the muppet show operated by frankas. Oh yeah um and agenda of course in the film series. Shrek and i seem to remember some violent gingerbread men and campus. It sounds right. I believe so. There's a whole where people are getting killed but hurt very very badly by cookies There's the robert altman film the gingerbread man. With kenneth branagh and robert downey junior thriller despite the name okay And i also saw a really bad horror. Movie called the ginger dead man where the ashes of a serial killer were added into a gingerbread mix and then baked into one murders cookie and the sequels are called passion of the crust and saturday. Night cleaver There's also that a stephen king novella The gingerbread girl true yeah. The brothers grimm never included a gingerbread man type story in their collections. But the two thousand. And five terry gilliam film. The brothers grimm did feature this like mud monster gingerbread man that sort of like possesses or rather like absorbs a little boy yeah And there is of course the fairy tale the gingerbread man right which we will discuss a bit more in depth later and also aside one of my personal greatest fears the runners runs or runner's diarrhea also goes by the gingerbread man. And going back to the novella by stephen king. Maybe it's about a woman runs too much and it's called Yeah the gingerbread girl so it could just be. Because ron can't catch me if you can. It's pretty good run. Yeah i see. Yeah well i. My mind was reuters runs. Goodness what a nightmare. It is even king. The nutritional qualities of gingerbread perhaps obviously vary vastly depending on the recipe. That you use but you know generally y'all it's a. It's a sweetened baked goods. So it's it's not a health food yeah. I only eat gingerbread the time we make it generally in a year. But i do eat the entire plate of cookies. Yeah i mean. It's like i don't need to justify you do not sell for up to you if we're talking about. Gingerbread numbers gingerbread is one of the most popular winter holiday cookies in the us and in much of europe in two thousand thirteen a new york chef by the name of john lovett created gingerbread village that covered three hundred square feet. That's about twenty eight square meters and consisted of one point. Five tons of gingerbread structures including one hundred thirty five residential buildings twenty two commercial buildings cable cars in underground subway. We don't even have cable car. That sounds like bigger than some small. Towns wasn't small so medium sized town. yeah traditions. Golf club in byron texas currently holds the record for largest gingerbread house. How big was the to ask. It was big enough to need a permit. What yeah forty thousand cubic feet like many houses. It used bricks. Only these four thousand bricks were made of ginger and that took one thousand eight hundred pounds of butter in over one thousand ounces of ground ginger. It was huge. There is also a guinness record for the largest gingerbread man. it was created by an kia in oslo norway. in two thousand nine. He weighed six hundred and fifty one kilos. That's about one thousand four hundred and thirty five pounds and was baked a single piece. And y'all look look this one up. The photo on the guinness website is something that producer dylan described as it's like a group of scientists have this gingerbread man cryogenically frozen and some of them are like. Don't wake it up. it's a bad idea and others like no. It's going to be totally fine. He said and i agree that he's never seen a group of people look so serious about gingerbread than he's never seen ginger dead either no i guess not i guess not well. It's a cautionary tale. I you know who are we to play. God's ginger but they are kind of apparently we're not the only ones who think they're a little frightening because they do show up in a lot of or yeah. I was retails. I i was. I was scared by the brothers. Grimm terry gilliam version. Oh yeah it's frightening. i one last gingerbread memory for me. I last i think last christmas Two christmases ago. I went on a very long cruise with my then boyfriend and it was the second largest cruise ship in lowell and it had a gingerbread display. That were so realistic looking. I didn't realize it was gingerbread. Until i walked past it like several days i thought it was like model. House is holy heck. It was gingerbread very impressive at his impressive Speaking of memories and history. We have some more gingerbread history for you. That isn't just anne's but i have a quick break for word for sponsor we celebrate. We gift we mask and we holiday and special holiday face masks for the family are now available at old navy. 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So you can spend less time worrying about what's on the table and more time celebrating the people around it. China products are available. Wherever you buy your groceries including delivery or pick up and we're back. Thank you sponsor. Yes thank you. Ginger root has roots all the way back to ancient china where it was used medicinally. Oh and also. The ancient egyptians might've used it in ceremonial practices. The ancient romans eight gingerbread. But what was more like honeycakes. Probably to rev up their libido and possibly these cakes worshiped like men with all the right anatomical. Bits ancient romans. oh ancient rome you yes. The ancient chinese weren't the only ones that thought ginger had beneficial health properties henry. The eighth snapped it up. And that's a ginger snaps pun for one more horror movie reference in there And he mix it up with a couple of other things in hopes of staving off the plague Ginger still used for things like upset stomach. Nausea i was given some on a cruise. Ship wants for seasickness. European sailors working during the whaling and globalization colonization. Kind of eras would buy hard gingerbread to take out with them on long. Voyages for the purpose of settling their stomachs hold up. Though the first recipe for gingerbread may have first appeared as early as two thousand four hundred bc e out of ancient greece this according to the book making gingerbread houses by rhonda matching of hearts ancient china follow suit with their own recipe in tenth century ce and then yes by the middle ages europe had their own take and yes at first. It was a rich person food. Oh yeah i mean you know. You needed the sugar to make sweet. You needed the spices which were expensive. So expensive And this european recipe is closing in on our modern version. It referred to a hard cookie that may or may not have been bedecked in gold gilding similar to the gilding on colonial houses and that's sometimes referred to as gingerbread work And these cookies. Were possibly shaped like kings queens and animals if you were to attend a fair in england france germany and holland during this time. You're pretty much guaranteed to run into one of these gender breads so much so that they became known as gingerbread fares and the cookies themselves were sometimes called ferrings by thirteen eighty. We have references to a polish version of gingerbread cookies. Called pernickety derived from the word pepper a lot of northern european countries where it's for gingerbread ten to drive from pepper including maybe my favorite the norwegian paper packer. Isn't it fun to say it is. That's fun In germany these cookies often had messages on them. Similar to the candy. slash sweetheart's You're super on his. You things like that. Nuremberg was known as the gingerbread capital of the world in the sixteen hundreds and that city's museum houses the oldest known recorded gingerbread recipe to this day. Nuremberg's gingerbread has quote protected geographical indication from the european union. Like champagne does in france They don't make men so much as horses and hearts these days. Though i read that the some other european countries kind of look as a skew for still making. Yeah yeah holy. Roman emperor frederick third handed out cookies. That looked like him when he was campaigning. And seasons informed the shapes. You'd find flowers to noted spring for instance or even armor ladies looking to grant their night of choice of luck during a tournament might present him with a cookie or would eat a gingerbread husband to put out five to the universe that you're looking to secure a real non cookie based man why though you could have a cookie right. I got a big. I got a big thing. Cookies fancy gingerbread cookies came to personify the english elite and they were all kinds of shape based superstitions docker fidelity. A pig for luck a baby for a child ally in man for really. There was even a swedish legend that it might grant wishes if you held gingerbread in the palm of your hand made a wish and then broke it with either your thumb or index finger and it broke into pieces. Your wish would come true clearly clearly to try that next time. The idea of decorating cookies and shaping them is largely due to elizabeth the first who elevated the gingerbread cookie game when she made cookies and the sheeps of dignitaries on her courts and these cookies were made by whipping up. a pace. And pressing that that paste into wouldn't molds and at first was a mixture of breadcrumbs almond meal. Sugar rosewater ginger. In the sixteenth century ex came into the equation along with other sweeteners. And you can find these molds museums today. And you'd find these cookies at weddings and wakes and it was possibly accepted as currency in some parts of europe for short amount of time and a fun story suggests that elizabeth i would only give a cookie modeled after your likeness to you if you were the oh she deemed worthy. If she found you coming up short she'd eat the cookie headfirst. Probably within your view. So you knew. I went to the trouble of having this cookie made. And i'm eating it right in front of you and i well. Yeah all right all right lizzie which just about brings us to the ultimate question i wanted answered was the deal with those gingerbread houses. The deal is sixteenth century. Germans and their love of the brothers grimm story of hans and gretel a. Lot of you probably like know de well. I wasn't it's sort of a chicken and egg type thing. Though did the fairy tale lead to the creation of gingerbread houses did gingerbread houses inspire the fairy tale which in turn popular gingerbread houses mysteries of history. No one knows any who these early. Gingerbread houses were way nicer than what i'm used to. Not only did they add that gold gilding but they also had gold foil wallpapering. Oh wow okay. fancy related. Gingerbread men were thought to be baked by which is of course and then used as sort of voodoo dolls to cause pain and perhaps death. Oh wow dutch. Authorities made the baking and eating of gingerbread men legal and sixteen o seven in an attempt to quell witchcraft business. You know you're you're doing what you can. And that's making other shapes that gingerbread men shakespeare mentioned gingerbread in a play in fifteen ninety eight quote. And i had but one pity in the world doubt should have it to buy gingerbread. Oh and john barrett claimed it had the power to soothe your stomach. Th century as ginger became more affordable gingerbread finally ventured out of the or critic bubble and sometime after this it even kind of came to mean the reverse gingerbread went from denoting fancy and elegant to poor and maybe even effeminate the harshest of insults Take this quote from sixteen. Thirty seven the elder brother. He has an ass a piece of gingerbread guilt over to please foods. Girls and puppets Yeah yeah kind of kind of an insult based on like oh look at how like overly fancy you are look at what a pretender. Yeah gingerbread cookies. To the new world with the colonist. In virginia candidates might offer a cookie in an attempt to win your vote. Our old pal author of american cookery. Amelia simmons Her that book came with three different recipes for gingerbread including this one for soft gingerbread so it was the second recipe ribs. Three pounds of sugar two pounds of butter into four pounds of flour. Add twenty eggs. Four ounces of gender. Four spoons rose water and then bake the previous recipe number one. And this all kind was america's perferred kinds. When marquis de la fayette visited the home of george washington's mother. Mary she made soft gingerbread for him. she made them in both. The shape of eagles and kinks. Americans took the idea of the gingerbread house and ran with it to it caught on widespread level in america than it did in britain and running with it. The gingerbread boy was first published in eighteen. Seventy five and does it turns out. There's a long tradition and folklore of stories about runaway baked goods. What okay there's an in-depth classification system for folklore and the gingerbread boy or gingerbread man as more moderately no it is part of the army thomson author type twenty twenty-five otherwise known as the runaway or fleeing pancake story. Pancakes gonna run away. There are all kinds of stories throughout europe about or cookies or pancakes running off and then mocking various animals and people about not being able to catch them. The gingerbread man is just the american version. Well it makes more sense because he has legs rolling away. You know if. I see a pancake rolling. I'm gonna know it's the apocalypse is baked. Goods are here. they're here and they're mocking us. Yes but But the first printing of the gingerbread boy which probably followed along oral. Tradition was in this children's literary journal called saint nicholas magazine and the unnamed author wrote about it the gingerbread boy is not strictly original a servant girl from maine told it to my children. It interested them so much that i thought it was worth preserving i asked where she found it and she said that an old lady told it to her in her childhood but this printing was more of a story than like the kind of sing song rhyme thing that we know today i think the first printed version that's close to our our modern gingerbread man rhyme was in eighteen ninety eight in the ladies home journal written by one. Ella m white you know the whole like like run. Run fast as you can. You can't catch me. Little gingerbread man sort of thing. Yeah yeah by the time. Pairing w cousins published a child's book of stories in nineteen eleven. The wording that we're more familiar with today. You can't catch me on. The gingerbread man was cemented. End that gingerbread recipe of mary ball washington's would wind up getting passed down to her daughter. Betty who served at her own home kenmore plantation in virginia and that recipe would eventually wind up saving that historical site though long forgotten it was found in the homes attic in nineteen twenty two by members of the association and the daughters of the american revolution who needed like thirty grand to fund necessary repairs to the estate so they typed up the recipe. They sold copies of it. Visitors ten cents apiece eventually sold the rights to it to a company that created a like gingerbread mix purchase supermarkets who also provided it at a discount back to chapter of the daughters of the american revolution who sold it to benefit the kenmore singer bread cookies saving historical saving history. Yeah and i wanted to like sort of wrap up. We've got a little bit of gingerbread science. But i wanted to sort of wrap up with There's a great interview that author and burn Author of the book. American cake did with the philly voice and she said this about gingerbread as years passed. The recipes like gingerbread that passed down through generations were always baked for holidays mostly christmas. There's a wonderful phrase. I found while researching american cake and it goes something like this. The holidays preserve what every day loses in short. If it weren't for holiday baking we be hanging onto old recipes like gingerbread. I like to think of gingerbread. Is the quintessential american cake. It's a revolutionary cake in that are early. American settlers adapted old european methods of baking gingerbread to new ingredients and it came to represent this new land where people of all backgrounds can find refuge every gingerbread recipe baked homes. Today can speak about the people who i made it and then there's the aroma in your kitchen gingerbread being baked. It just makes you smile one with and you know the holidays are here. Yeah that's lovely. I hadn't really thought about that about how there's so much tradition into the behind. The foods we her on the holidays. Yeah and really. If that tradition wasn't there how many of those foods would we still be eating. Yeah a lot of modern holiday. Foods can be traced directly to like victorian era which barred them from a lot of other other places. So yeah it's fascinating. it is. Meanwhile in the winter of two thousand seventeen two thousand eighteen. The oregon museum of science and industry had an exhibit celebrating the engineering side of gingerbread construction and every year discovery cube. Which is a couple of science museums in california host signs of gingerbread competitions to create impressive gingerbread structures and they also have a gingerbread car derby a little gingerbread you build a little gingerbread cars and there's derby i am baking gingerbread car this year or within that gingerbread cookies gonna get away so fast getaway car o no all right well. I'm pretty good pretty confident. You're also pretty fast. Do a lot of running any. I think i've been training for this my whole life. I just didn't know yeah And i i do have a few A little bit of that like gingerbread construction science for you some helpful hints for you to remember the next time you're baking But first we've got one more quick break for word from our sponsor this episode is brought to you by ebay. So this is kind of a big deal. Ebay is rethinking what it means to shop. Refurbish rebooting remixing. It and remodeling it. Introducing certified refurbished from ebay. Get up to fifty percent off like new products direct from the manufacturer or approved partners. Everything has been thoroughly tested to look and work just like new. You even get the same accessories and manual you'd get with a new product. Ebay certified refurbished offers all the brands. You want at a price. You'll love and not just in one or two categories. You can choose from like new laptops. 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If you order online for delivery or pick up you can get yours without lifting a finger. Well okay you might have to lift one finger but that's it so don't delay get your bread pizzas from pinera today and we're back. Thank you sponsor this thank you so if you're looking to construct your own gingerbread house source state or palace or getaway car. The internet does have some helpful hints for you. I found an article in popular science called build. Structurally sound gingerbread house. That was particularly useful I you're going to need to pick gingerbread recipe. That does not use leavening agents no eggs or baking powder. Or what have you. And you're going to need a blueprint so that you'll know how much you need to bake once you've got your dough rolled out because it you don't wanna use leavening agents because that'll make puffy and therefore less sturdy rights mike cookie recipe would not work. No no you're you're gonna need to change it up. Okay okay can do that all right and then once you have your dough rolled out. You're gonna wanna use a sharp knife to cut the shapes of the individual pieces out of the doe prior to baking but don't remove the extra along the edges because that way you'll reduce spreading of the edges of your shapes. Yeah yeah yeah you don't you. Don't want him to thin out. no no bad times. You can cut away the excess after baking once everything's baked and cut out. You're going to need durable construction material and that means proteins. A royal icing made with egg whites powdered sugar and really minimal. Other liquids will hold up pretty well as we'll melted marshmallows. Caramels or gumy's milton. White chocolate can also work well. And has the advantage of firming up more quickly than some of those other things support structures inside the building. We'll help distribute the weight of the walls and the roof more evenly and finally popular science recommends destroying your structure. I mean you know when you're ready Purposefully to see where the weak points are and thus to build a better plan for next year. This is beautiful. This sounds like a great project to for children to undertake to learn from right And if you want even more specific advice and understand math a little bit better than i do. Ucla's science and food blog made a really thorough post about the physics involved called engineering the perfect gingerbread house. that's fantastic. Check it out. I wanna make one right now. Nothing's stopping you technically. I actually thought about making cookies for this But we kind of randomly. I didn't think i was ever going to get to do this in the middle of summer. I'm so excited. I would just want to build things gingerbread. Yeah and think about physics pictures and like draw arrows. Oh yeah this is where the structure at checkout discovery cubes Signs of gingerbread competition that some of the photos from twenty seventeen are really gorgeous and incredibly impressive like they have. They have a adult and child categories and like kids as young as like five making these structures that. I don't think i could have built. So i'm like well i'm okay. We should have competition in the office. Who be more really good. Oh man some people would be embarrassing like good. I'll hecker going to put me to shame any but we get to eat it after we do. That's true that's all that matters in the end it is okay and that brings us to the end of this classic episode on gingerbread. We hope that you enjoyed it and we hope that you were having a safe and happy holiday. Oh please if you're if you're making something or making your own traditions. Your new traditions A virtual recipes swap would be cool. Just yeah let us know sent. All of those things are way. 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Yes because it's a big you record this. It's a big weekend right now. Right lunar new year mardi gras upon valentine's day but also callan tines day. Yes yes and that's why we wanted to talk about whipped cream to celebrate balentine. Happy valentine's day tall and valentine's day. All i suppose where celebrate anything. You're celebrating happy that thing and whipped cream and whipped cream. Oh yes okay. So what does the tie in between whipped cream and gallons day okay. So brief brief rundown or people who don't know countires day is. I'm sure you've probably seen it. But it originated from an episode of the television show. Parkson wreck that aired on february twenty ten. Oh my gosh. It was so long ago. Wow it is. Yeah yeah i. I watched episode. It's actually the first episode of parks and rec. That i've watched through and i was like. Oh well this was a hot minute ago. Look at all of these tiny babies like just everyone. It is just so. I just wanna pinch their cheeks for some reason. I wrote that when i was researching. This didn't seem like that long ago but saying it out. Well yeah all right well in that episode according to leslie nope the creator of this holiday in the show and fabulously portrayed by amy poehler every february thirteenth. My lady friends. And i leave our husbands and our boyfriends at home and we just come and kick it breakfast style lady celebrating ladies. It's like a little affair mightiest plus for tatas. So we yeah. We looked into for todd as well. Waffles are the big part of this but yeah already done waffles. Honestly like i was kinda like oh man. I'm not sure for tatas is a full episode so we landed on whipped cream. Did because she leslie often put. She loves waffles. If you haven't seen the show. She often puts a lot of whipped cream on the waffles. Yes and we've already done maple syrup too so you know we weren't. We weren't thinking about gallon day and the dictionary definition. I just wanted to include it february thirteenth. The other half of valentine's day when you celebrate your love your lady friends singler no. Hey judy years. Such a great friend to me. And i want to celebrate our friend. Love not only my sexy love and my boyfriend marvin tomorrow. So let's have a dinner get together. The day before valentine's day kevin ties day. Yes yes so yes basically usually with waffles and for tatas waffles topped whipped cream and guess for women And all of your friends and it was such a popular idea that it was really quickly adopted and marketed. There's been some complaints about it and we've yeah we've already done. Most of the things related donuts to right. Yeah but this reminds me speaking of lady friends lauren. We have to watch the star wars holiday special. I might end our friendship. But i think we can weather. I think we can weather. It can because there's a whole julia child bit in it and the refrain it is stu whips Whip and it's been stuck in my head. Okay sure. I am increasingly confused. About what the heck the star wars holiday special is about fair. You like the more that i hear about it. The less i understand that. I strongly suspect that watching. It is not going to aleve this feeling. No it can't be explained. I watched it with my mom over the holidays. One of my favorite memories ever one but he kept she would laugh and laugh and laugh and then stop suddenly. Look at me and say what is going on. And i'm like no one knows that's the thing she's like asking. This really happened. This was the thing to happen. Yeah definitely oh. That's well well okay. All right i mean. I am recommitting myself to to watch it with you. An hour and twenty minutes of wondering if our friendship is worth this. I think he might enjoy. I enjoy it. But i think that if we weathered waiting in like three hour long lines and beim parks yeah. That's true and we can. We can weather the star wars holiday special. We'll see stay. Tuned saver audience. We'll report back on that but back to the topic at hand. I love with cream. I adore it is one of my favorite things. I remember like this. Really the first time i had quote real whipped cream and it was transcendent. It was amazing. I think i told that story on the strawberries episode. Yeah by real whipped cream deeming like homemade with cream or i just not out of not cool whip not. Yeah fancy whipped cream. Gosh yeah i. Alternatively remember the first time i had cool whip as opposed to real name and child. Lauren was like what is this. Ain't cool because i love that i would just like. I would choose whipped cream over ice cream often than i would just eat cool whip. Oh my gosh her okay. Yes sure i mean you know that that's a it's a it's a distinct texture and it is. It is very creamy. So there's a flavor in it that i that i don't like But yeah all that aside clearly. Not an advertiser cool whip my bed just knocking down day after day. Always it's ridiculous making enemies. I don't know what this is about but okay does this. Bring us to our question. Any i better whipped cream. What is it well. Whipped cream is more or less what it says on the box it is. It is cream that you whip air into so that it's a foam instead of a liquid It'll it'll form a soft but stable structure with a light and fluffy texture. That's really fun in your mouth. Because it's all of these like tiny little air bubbles and these smooth and creamy. Fats that are cold and they melt in your mouth and the bubbles kind of pop. Oh gosh You can add sweeteners and other flavorings. Vanilla is popular ad in. It's often served with desserts or as a topping for sweet beverages. Either hot or cold and and it's it's really it's really nifty Like you can't do this with just any liquid right like if you take a cup of orange juice or coffee you can whip it as long as you want to in bubbles will form but it will not make a foam But it does work with cream because of the amazing properties of milk. And yes. i'm gonna talk about like the science of milk again. Excellent every time. I do this. I think it's going to be the last time. I think that we can't possibly have a reason for me to talk about my sells again but always submit here here. We go so Milk is an emulsion of fats and fat soluble. Stuff in water and water. Soluble stuff and in cream is that with less water. It's a higher concentration of the fats and stuff suspended in water and stuff it's upwards of twenty percent fat and for best whipping results. You're looking for something upwards of thirty percent fat. Ideally more like thirty five to forty percent fat which is going to be labeled heavy cream in the united states. Look out for that one if you're making your whip cream at home And as we talked about in our butter episodes when cream is cold. The the fats in it. Start crystallizing yes. Butter is crystal and this is important in whipped cream because Because those tiny crystals are are like stiff sorta independent structures like. They're okay to stick together and latch up into chains. But they're not too excited about like gloving up into a single mass and that's important for whipped cream because because when you force air into cream by whipping it with a whisker shaking it in a jar little globules of fats will will coat. The air bubbles End if the fats are cold and partially crystalline they'll latch up with other little globules and create this stable structure This is why whipped cream will melt into a puddle if you warm it up. You're breaking those chains And this is also why if you whip cream for too long it'll start getting like and also watery because those partially crystallized fat globules mashed together. And you make butter The the water and water soluble stuff gets pushed out in that sputtered milk. But it's okay. Let's talk about that. Water and water soluble stuff. So in liquid cream Fats are suspended evenly through the watery stuff in an emotion A mix of stuff. What doesn't usually mix Because of the structure of some of the proteins that you find in cream these proteins called caissons are made up of some particles that are hydrophobic or water loving and some that are lipa phillip or fat loving and so when presented with both water and fats. These case in proteins will grab bits of fat and then cluster up into these little globs called my sells With the fat on the inside and the the water loving bits on the outside those water loving particles grab onto electrons in the water. Meaning that each mysel- winds up having a negative since negatively charged particles. Repel each other like magnets. You know. yeah yeah you've seen that. The globules spend themselves throughout the water in order to keep their distance. It's an emulsion so so the reason that you can't make whipped cream by like stirring it gently Is that you have to physically break up. The bonds that are holding those my cells in their shapes By whipping them. You're slamming them together. You break up those bonds and and that's when the fats that used to be like cuddled up on this and safe inside start thrashing out going like others water everywhere we don't like it and that's why they cling to air bubbles And kind of link up little chains together. It's for safety. They're just looking for safety. But the cases and some other proteins in the mix are still trying to mitigate the situation There's still trying to keep the peace between the water and the fats and they wind up creating a protective membrane around these fat coated air bubbles which which a traps all the all the watery bits in the tiniest basis between the bubbles and be aids in the stability of the bubbles so cool. Yeah there in in doing reading for this. I found some images from like an electron microscope whipped cream and it was. It was really. It was my new favorite thing to get them like print it out like a modern art. People are like what's that hellscape. i'm like with. Crema everything from electron microscope. Looks like a hellscape that is true. Oh ho i love it. Yeah so So yeah that's what's happening if you make whipped cream It is pretty easy like it takes a little bit of arm work Either from whipping you do have to keep it cold to make sure that the the proper structure of forums up or you can shake jar. It's you know fun trick. Parties Even also purchased products that skip the workout The aforementioned cool whip and other pre whipped creamy toppings and pressurized canned cream. Which is you know. The reddi whip kind of style stuff. It's can't under pressure with cream in there and gas usually nitrous oxide and a nozzle on top that lets you just spray it out more on that later Some of these are made with dairy Even with the same sorta cream. You might use yourself. Some are made with alternative ingredients Bolstered by compounds that will help the stability of the foam that are not you know dairy compounds. Well thanks once again for giving me whenever we return to parties. I'm only going to be like party chicken. I want it to be like a really fancy party. you know. oh everybody's these really nice dresses. And i reach into my purse and i pull out like a jar of cream and start shake no explanation yelling like a bat like a bag of ice with a jar of korea it just maintaining eye contact with the hosts yes. My goal is to never be invited to parties again. Cleveland if the whipped cream is good and then maybe right right. Hey that's right well. What about the nutrition whipped cream is is calorie dense food. You know i it. Some some of the non dairy alternatives might be A little bit later in fats and calories and a little bit heavier on the sugar I'd say i'd say it's a treat you know as as as always treats her. great lightened sizes. Don't put whipped cream on everything all the time but like something know the time. Well we do have some numbers for you. We do As twenty twenty okay. I ran into two different numbers as he sometimes do when you're looking at at global market research And i'm just going to say that either way. The global whipping cream market as of two thousand twenty was worth upwards of three billion dollars possibly about seven billion dollars per year. I know that that's a large difference but a lot but it but it but it's a lot either way it's big. It's big over. Sixty percent of that was dairy based whipping creams. Their h leaper usually than their non dairy alternatives and perceived as being better by many consumers But the non dairy type Segment of the market is expected to grow over. The next few years is the number of shoppers. Looking for vegan products is expected to increase. Europe is currently the largest market for for whipped. cream Apparently germany leads the world in whipped cream consumption. They eight hundred. Twenty eight million kilos in twenty-seven seventeen that's like one and a half kilos per person. Well good for you. Yeah i'm trying to. I'm trying to think about like a kilo of whipped cream and what that means to me as you should you should. I recommend asia. Pacific is the fastest growing market segment. As a european style baked goods gained popularity over there And the cool. Whip brand is by far the most consumed with topping brand in the united states As of two thousand twenty one hundred and twenty nine million americans had some cool whip at some point. Yeah and that's i ran into a couple articles about like how cool with is this american style gis associated with it. Yeah my mom. I if i would that i could. If i went to go visit her right now. And i opened the freezer they would be cool whip frozen just renting a lot of her desserts. Did incorporate cool whip reasons. I liked it. Yeah yeah my my mom's family and my mom's mother was a big big cool whip user. She was also a big gelatin maker. That's another thing that. I remember ambrosia episode which remains one of the things. Where i'm still like. I could say ambrosia and have no idea what you think. That means what you think. I'm gonna say but a lot of people do use cool. Whip are cream in their ambrosia. Which often does involve gelatin. Yeah yeah i yeah well. One of the one of the kind of benefits of Of the non dairy toppings is that they're a little bit less sensitive to acid content. Right so if you've got acidic components in your dessert they're not gonna dissolve easily right right for different than my ambrosia but another episode. It's already been done. Yep yup i did want to include that. There are things like alcohol equipped creams which i've had had good experiences with fun. When i was in college one of the worst hangovers. i've ever had to whip cream drink. responsibly friends. Oh yes no. I won't forget that. And then there are savory whipped creams. I think some people might call foams. Perhaps but i've had like you know the shrimp celery whip cream thing. Okay yeah yeah So there's options it's a bigger world than perhaps you might at first glance absolutely yes and it's got an interesting history behind it it does And we are going to get into that as soon as we get back from a quick break for word from our sponsor This episode is brought to you by lexus. If you're an audio file who knows the difference between bit rate and bit depth. You know obsession. If you call yourself and aficionado you probably know more about art than some artists do. And in the same way a metalhead knows every guitar solo classic power ballad at lexus. They're absolutely consumed with tuning every inch of pure sports sedan. What is this fanatical behavior. You ask it's called going all in and the more all any go the better it gets. Which is why. They went as far as building an entirely new test. Track for a new level of handling and responsiveness. And why they designed it with curves sharp is the corners that can maneuver around. 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Plus it's the best value in streaming available now. Us only back. Thank you sponsor yes. Thank you so. Animals that produce milk have been domesticated for thousands of years. We've talked about this and numerous passes And humans have used these animals for lots of purposes but primarily things like milk labor and meat and like so many of our episodes in particular here. The dairy related episodes like yogurt or butter or cheeses. The exact origin of whipped cream is unknown. Oh yeah probably discovered by multiple people's and multiple places multiple times and just like all those topics just mentioned. There's a story that whipped cream was discovered after a quick course. Ride turned cream and cream soup popular popular origin. Myth yeah yes. Another goes that it may have been discovered by someone attempting to churn butter in a cool climate but rush the process and whipped it instead. Sure maybe yeah. Yeah who knows at least possible. And it's funny actually one of the first episodes. I pitched when we started the show. We haven't done it yet. And i really want to is i. I feel like i have a basic understanding. Have sort of contextual understanding. But i don't have a really good grasp on a lot of cooking terms o- like the difference between like whipping something in folding. Something i don't know. I just oh i can. Okay sure yeah. Let's do it just. It could just be a tutorial between you but yeah when i was researching this i was like. I've always thought i knew what that meant. But maybe a whip whip is a good good stiff quick right gesture motion. What the holiday special tells me a fivefold is more is more gentle and slower ever folded correctly my life lauren. We'll we're wait simple right. Have that to look forward to okay. So our knowledge of whipped cream is really really limited but By the sixteenth century whipped cream was popular in much of europe often replacing cream. It went by a variety of names to milk snow in europe. Nays delay in france in navy day in italy early recipes for whipped cream involved whipping together naturally separated cream using willow branches are rush branches. I liked it. They were very specific in the branches. And yeah the whipping would yield these foamy layers on top that were then skimmed off and tossed in this process is repeated for an hour or more Until enough green had been skimmed to arrive at the desired texture. Not the easiest process. A fifteen forty five english recipe for milk. Snow called for rose water and egg whites so again. It's hard to suss out what was going on in this broad category of whipped cream in history the first written instance of whipped cream and french appeared in sixteen twenty nine and soon after whipped cream was printed for the first time in english in sixteen seventy three according to the oxford english dictionary Though people use it interchangeably with snow cream throughout the sixteen. Hundreds snow cream like that. I love this. Yeah sounds much more fantastical. One of the earliest references to whipped cream is from sixteen sixty one when the french chef patel served something resembling whipped cream with sugar for reception for king louis the fourteenth however some people doubt the story and think that catherine medici introduce cream whipping techniques. That were already present in her homeland of italy to the kitchen. Staff at her dwelling in france history popularly told story though. This jeff french chef actually. It's funny because a lot of french in the article. I was reading about this. They're like we don't want to admit it but it probably didn't come from france. Whipped cream got a lot easier to manufacture at the end of the nineteenth century with the industrial revolution and the innovation of a centrifuge using centrifuge for the separation process that resulted in a high fat cream. And this was a hand crate. Marvel invented by gustav de level. Now that would cream was far simpler to make more and more chefs. Started experimenting with it especially pastry chefs. All kinds of desserts came out of this whipped cream flavored with coffee or chocolate or fruit or liqueurs and when these flavors were poured over the whipped cream or folded in the result was called krim on moose are cream and a phone and yes the history of moose's pretty wrapped up in here. Yeah exactly folded in perhaps email finger guns everybody creams into the was sometimes used as well but chantilly cream isn't the same thing in our american parlance. There's some differences of what that can mean depending on where you are yeah usually means A sweetened and vanilla flavored whipped cream rights and that term itself is quite mysterious. I kind of went on a rabbit hole. Figure out if it was something. I could include here if i needed more time. It seems like i need way more time. A big mystery of his. Everybody seemed to be like rawal. No yeah that was. That was what i ran into. And i kinda quickly went nope another day another day but it did appear in the mid nineteenth century or at least records of it did another technological innovation changed the whip cream game when british scientists began experimenting with aeration systems for food in the nineteen thirties. They landed on using nitrous oxide or into which is fully incorporated dairy products using the system including cream when the pressure was released wallah instant whipped cream. This technology was utilized both in large commercial spaces and perhaps more so that at first but products for home use. No not what we're used to these days. That is very interesting. That looks like i would never know of. That's for one name gets thrown around a lot of conversation is charles gets a graduate student at university of illinois during the depression who invented instant whip at first he used carbon dioxide after he realized that milk would foam if you use that so he got the idea to put it in cream and a can pressurize it with cream. However he found that the carbon dioxide with the tastes so he switched it out for nitrous oxide to get the same results minus the altering of the taste gets his professor g. Frederick smith used this patent to launch instant whip foods. Yeah yeah you can technically do this with a number of different pressurized gases but nitrous oxide and yes. This is the same stuff that your dentist may have given you as a pain reliever or that you might have heard about. Is like like a fuel. Additive in car racing Nitrous oxide is great in making ready. Whip cream for a few reasons It's got the no flavor thing going for it. It expands a lot more than oxygen That's pressurized under similar conditions like canned whipped cream fluffed with oxygen would only be a quarter as fluffy as whipped cream fluffed with nitrous oxide. Plus encourages microbial growth. Lots of microbes require to live. You don't really want that in your canned with cream and Oxygen could make fats go rancid overtime on through the oxidation process. You don't want that either. So yeah nitrous. Oxide does double duty as a as a whipping agent during depressurization and as preservation aid. Are you go there you go. Don't do whip it's kids. Don't do it it's okay. I mean they're kind of fine but don't do them all right. Don't you learn so once. World war two. You came to a close. Several companies said about making their own whipped cream dispensers but most of them abandoned project after it proved easier said than done when it came to producing eight quality product. Most of the rest gave up in the fifties when disposable single use cans were invented so in one thousand nine hundred five. Aaron bunny left laughing. Gosh so in. French fan means bunny. Some saving it's announces. Oh But i don't know for sure. But anyway he patented an essential part of these aerosol whipped cream containers the nozzle The patent read that it was intended to create a product. Vote simple and inexpensive enough to permit there being discarded after a single use. This canister lead design. Made it possible to pressurize the insides up to one hundred pounds per square inch this invention. This invention allowed for at product. Most of us are familiar with reddi. Whip and this wasn't lapenne a into the world with cream Though originally closed salesman he entered the food space in the nineteen forties. One of the things he sold was a product meant to serve as a substitute for whipped cream during wartime called still whipped a mixture of primarily vegetable oil and like and found whip which came and refillable area and guns and it was intended primarily for commercial use. Hold up i just i. I'm sorry i need to dwell for just a second on the image of an air rating cream gone. I actually have some experience with something like this dwelling on the site. What experience do you have with something like this. Well tell the story but we have to cut it because a really good friend of mine. She one day at home receives a very large package. She was not expecting and opens it up lo and behold. It is a huge bright pink. Ak47 shaped Hookah and oh idea came from turned out. Somebody used your credit card number to buy this thing in california accidentally. Anyway it's quite a sight to behold there's a cammo carrying bag pink cammo caring and it's just like a piece of art heck. Yeah no whipped cream involved. Unfortunately or fortunately. I don't think i don't think that's what i want. Experience probably not probably. I guess i don't use because one way or another so well other funny stories the also whoever they were also bought a bunch of pizza like way too much pizza so the night was going on but yes to this area. Gutten was primarily for commercial use but he was searching for a design more friendly for home users and he found it with the nineteen. Forty six introduction of aerosol canisters that were lined and lithographs and seamless from crown cork and seal company They were called sprawl. -tainer spray -tainer is no why not feels like it should be that. But i didn't waste any time. In adopting this he put his with grievance inside called it ready whip he started selling ready whip through local milkman in saint louis missouri. But it didn't take long for it to be picked up in the rest of the united states and canada with almost full distribution by one thousand nine hundred fifty four within five years. Lebanon earned the nickname the whipped cream king and he became a multimillionaire. Who yeah he used. The reddi whip can design for another product. He came up with two ready shave the shaving cream. Oh never notice very similar design. It was one of the first of its kind at the time on sold. His company in nineteen sixty three but sales continued to increase and asked twentieth. Century came to a close out of every to aerosolize whipped cream cans. one was ready whip. Yeah reddi whip was definitely the brand in second place after cool whip in the in the united states market but yeah i for. Some reason had literally never put together. These two aerosol cans are essentially the same can and now. I'm just thinking about the park. You go yup same phase will be on the pie. Four poltics is gonna. They're gonna get whipped cream and they get shaving cream and outrage. That's the of that movie though overlooked outrageous msci room. Somebody's dessert you're this. You're like you're like okay. The hubris of man did lead to a whole bunch of people getting eaten by dinosaurs. But mostly some poor sap got shaving cream instead of whipped cream on pie. We cannot tolerate it it. Not something we should let slide as food podcasters lord. I feel like it is our duty to bring attention to this. Poor person who's dessert was ruined. You're you're right you're right. I might have gone on and became a super bowl. They could have been like in the following movies. Maybe one of the bad people. We don't know. I want to explore this. I want to explore this further. Maybe not in this podcast. So there's all this areas lies can for whipped grade was not without its flaws even when it was first invented and this was during a time of like consumerism and kind of well it's always the time consumerism. But you know the fifties boom yeah exactly but even then people were still kind of like the seems like a waste throwing these things away and you know there's always some cream left's nitrous oxide is gone but it was convenient and people liked it still to this day and that's still a conversation to this day about the waste of it and i did want to put in here because i i get this song. Second my head all the time and it is a french children's song anyway. I even though i learned in kindergarten. I still remember the moves and everything randomly stuck in my head all the time. It's about a deer in the woods and this rabbit is in house and seized the deer and is like there's a hunter come inside. Isn't they come. They become best friends but the word. The french word for bunny is lab. So after i got my holiday specials taking my hand in this french song second my head laugh laugh on trivia raid lau matt. Yeah so for anybody who remembers. That is a throwback for you the kids even though they don't really have hands it is weird. That's something else we'll have to think on more later. But all right in nineteen sixty. Six new product entered the market hip. This is the invention of chemist william h mitchell at new mills and. This is one of several mentioned. He gets credited for the first being tapioca substitute. He developed during world war. Two soldiers dubbed mitchell's mud Cool whip say people time no more devoting the time and arm strength to whipping up your own and it could be frozen which was helpful when it came to shipping nationwide but also storing both in commercial sense but at home and it quickly spread and was adopted across the country. Also aided by the fact that cool whip had no creamer milk so it wasn't dependent on dairy producing regions. General mills really knocked it out of the to from what i read when it came to marketing especially when it came to joining forces with other brands like in mississippi mud pie which i also went on a rabbit hole very very interested. Learn more but again people seem to be like oh or jelly pudding and that sent me on a all about watergate. Salad of you've ever heard of that. Yeah but now. I have no idea what it is. It listen to me like kind of like a waldorf salad but i was just like after the this or the. I don't think it's the scandal. I i don't think it's the scandal again. Nobody seems to know but there is like a threat of people thinking that that's one. It's one story people tell. I'm sure it's kind of fun. But anyway differed more and more episode ideals piling up but because this product was so popular. The brand name became synonymous with the products of similar to kleenex. Right cool cool whip During the diet trends of the nineties lower calorie options of cool whip came out. You have cool. Whip flay and free In one thousand nine hundred time included ready with on its list of top one hundred consumer items of the twentieth century. Or how i know and then an explosion at a nitrous oxide factory in two thousand sixteen caused a shortage of ready whip right in time for the holiday season that people panicking one person died in the explosion and it launched a federal investigation mean. It's really interesting because it's one of those things. I never really thought about before. But only two companies a combined five facilities produce nitrous oxide for the united states and canada. So if you do allow them at one of them yes a huge distribution down And donate cool. Whip mix ins was introduced and this is essentially cool. Whip with things like oreo cookie. Pieces that you mix in. I went through a right these I'm just. I'm loki mystified by all of this. Because this was never a product that i that i wanted to consume right and so the idea of of selling it with the apparent intention to eat it kind of sort of on its own. is very mystifying and not shared on anyone who likes it. Y'all like what you like but I guess i guess the the texture of it is just as such an interesting texture. Especially when it's frozen like oh my gosh foams foam. Y'all severe shirts. No one would know for elect group of people people around atlanta would probably think you're talking about a loss cat loss. Scott is a piece of art by local. Artists are land it features the word foam poster. I mean it could mean a lot of different things as good. It's just like we haven't gotten any new t shirt designs in a long time. I know there's been some real banger of ideas to see current designs. You can go to t public dot com and we're always accepting suggestions. Yeah yeah oh heck. 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A wow sees an roped regarding the sticky jack fruits app you can get rid of it by sticking your hand and some uncooked rice on used to make me cut up ripe jack fruit and i didn't mind doing it because then i got to play with the rice in the rice tub speaking of lunar new year my brother and i have a tradition of going to the twenty four hour. Kfc down the road from our temple. On new year's eve we'd have to stay at the temple until midnight ticked over. We'd be starving by the end of it and the kfc was the only thing open since our temples in sticks is built up a lot now and has its own food hall with egis -tarian versions of vietnamese classics but we still go for year not traditional food in the normal sense but still something i look forward to passing on to the next. I love it. I love things like that. And you make your own. of course. that's that's great. Yeah yeah carolina wrote. I hope i pronounced that correctly. I was that's not what they wrote. That's an anyway okay. Here we go. I was excited that you made an episode about my favorite fruit growing up in a small town in utah. I never had an opportunity to try. Persimmons i only knew about them from a story. My mother told from her childhood in florida when neighbor kids through rotten persimmons at her which soured her on persimmons to this day and what she brings up every single time. I offer anyone persimmons. In eighteen years. I discovered and fell in love with japanese poetry. Persimmons are fairly common subject in haiku as well as in japanese paintings. I came across this poem. By a ochre shaky me down as one who loved poetry and persimmons. That poem made me want to try this fruit that a haiku master loved so much. I was so excited. The first time i found them in grocery store and i discovered that i also love this luscious fruit now. My family gives me persimmons as christmas gifts. Instead of the traditional orange another famous person related haiku is attributed to the most famous female classic haiku. poet Chia knee whether stringent. I do not know. This is my first persimmon. Picking this poem is interpreted as being a metaphor for the uncertainty. She felt on getting married just as she didn't know if persimmon would be a stringent or not. She couldn't tell her marriage would be happier. Not i can say from experience that when you have an astringent persimmon you know from the first bite of all the so much yes poetry my goodness not one but two. That's amazing. I can't believe we didn't encounter this. Oh it's always more there's always more out there yes and and as you listeners. Probably know one of our very favorite things to poetry so yes always in that in yes yes and speaking of we have a bonus thirty male. Because it's so perfect savannah wrote i hate saffron got the mood of it. It was a very interesting to listen to you. However i will always hate saffron. It smells like a pool. Floaty like a sickly plastic smell it tastes and it's so expensive i will go out of my way to make sure nothing i eat ever include saffron i have written a haiku about my hate of saffron i hate you saffron you taste like nasty plastic. You smell like it to excellent excellent. Well well see i. Often poetry asked to be positive share. Yeah i mean. Poetry can can express a broad range of emotion and we have gone through a broad range of emotion in this listener mail section. I've loved every minute so much. Thanks to the listeners. For writing if you'd like to write to us you can our emails. Hello at pod dot com. We are also on social media. You can find us on twitter. Facebook and instagram at saver pod. And do hope to hear from you. Savor is a production of iheartradio for more podcasts. My heart radio. You can visit the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. 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13. An Ordinary No with Bim Adewunmi
"I had like maybe forty thousand buses syndrome. One time in my twenties and then I burned it to the ground because I was looking around and I was like come and great people equally grit. We're all great. Ask for it uh for it and get it written down but ask the thing thing if you want it Oskar again because the worst thing they'll say is ordinary and then if it's a yes you get to do the thing you want so I was very confident I did think that my quote unquote natural intellect would save me and it's like no. It won't something I think about but now all the time is I look at every opportunity on. Earth is fifty fifty regardless of the probability and my fifty-fifty breaks down to either. It will work or wounds. It's in your or an interest. I think yourself as much as you can. Hello I'm SHARLA and I'm Laurin and and this is the secret lives of black women. It's the first episode of season to Ya. My God so good to be back in the studio in this space ace it feels it feels. It feels good to be alive. It feels good to be back. It feels so good to see your face Shiloh. Cue Thank you and I anti Korean routine. I mean skin chefs kissed to your skin. It's so gorgeous chefs get. How have you missed this? I've missed it so much. Of course. Yes yes this is my favorite thing that I do. I've missed it so much. I feel like I've grown so much. I've missed the open and honesty of the space in these conversations that give me so much life you give me life you give me life. I guys we're just. I wish that you could see my heart rate. Aiding how excited I am to be back an an HAL throwed. Im to introduce our first theme for season two today talking confidence and you know what this is a subject subject that I feel like you and I talk about a lot personally but also not really deep down confidence I mean. I don't know I feel like I actually don't think hourly present as a confident person so that was a lie. Yeah the totally sure because I talk about it all the time. It was like totally delighted myself and be like present. Ain't a person that's really confident capable in control and I was like no I tell and also I don't talk about it for sure 'cause we talk about it nonstop and I'm the the exact opposite. I've present apparently people have told me as a very confident person and I'm just like for for Real Kaz I don't feel it inside. This is the struggle I think. Perfect family have had like a good deal Success in it may seem like I have it together but it just truly at Gel and even hosting this podcast member. Someone sent me a message on the Graham. Are they like commoner on one of my photos news just like it's so great listening. You guys have it all together and I literally read this while I was wrapped in a blanket in my closet crying. Why are you in your closet? Because I didn't want to be around the sun I see I had to ask. I needed content. I was like I just wanted to be like in a dark room and like Jake Depression APP because I was just feeling you know just a complete lack of confidence in like myself and you know my accomplishments like sometimes when I am really hard on myself and and when I get get in that state it's just like I accomplish nothing I have like who. Who am I in the world? Why lies anyone my friend and it just it really inhibits me so it's something that I'm actively working to? You're feel secure in like you know myself and everything about me. I do wonder if confidence is possible. Sometimes for us without out an intense amount of work you know like really working at it. It's and I'm also an immigrant and I feel like coming from Haiti and coming from a poor our country and having this learned helplessness and self hatred. When you come here to America also makes it really hard it inhibits the confidence you know so I do wonder how much of it can we help you know? Sometimes I wonder so. I've been doing like a lot of work. You're just about like healing. My inner child and just figuring out who I was before people told mean who I was a little you know and being comfortable and that person 'cause I think when we're like a kid you are like oh I'm like wild and free free or unlike bookish anyway you feel at least I remember feeling secure and who I was until I didn't even the things like you said even even the things that I'm good at I doubt like am I and I tell you constantly I told you constantly that you're good at a particular thing and you will bring it up a new as if I've never said that you are great at that thing because you never internalize it because I don't believe it so yeah and this is something that I am. I'm actively working on. Is that you know when people give me. And maybe it's because I saw films like never been kissed a lot where it's always like the Bayton switch of someone being really nice and then they like you know poor pigs but on your the dance that's Carey that's not never been kissed spoiler. Alert guys I think so. I always operate within that level of expectation. Because I don't see it about myself and when people are like you're really good at this ask you know of course special. I'm like how are you trying to trick me. Not only do we both not see it because we both operate the same way. But we both don't respond to literal validation out in the world. You know like this friend who I spent the one of the girls I spent the weekend with. WHO said I'm good at everything I do? She was like second in India like as far as test scores for some architecture tests S.. She took like before she went to biomedical engineering. And she's like yeah. I'm good. I was second across all of India. But if I have you no literal things out in the world like being nominated for an award or you know getting a beating out a bunch of people to get a job or like like any kind of validation out in the world I question it I don't I don't look at it and be like yeah. That means I'm good. Got That thing I look at it and I have all kinds of imposter syndrome. We both do. We both question these outward validations of our work and it doesn't give us confidence. We don't believe it. You know you don't bananas. We don't believe it and where it's something but I will say that we are actively working to overcome for combat and I am really excited about today's gas. Been Outta me. An she is a Nigerian born writer and journalists you know her as one of the host of first aid kit. She's also producer for this American life. She's a playwright. Her Bio is amazing. Because is it says funny but can't stress this enough also extremely hot Which says a lot about her level of confidence? I wished that I had even the confidence to put that in my bio. I feel like when I listened to her podcast or read her twitter or see her interviews. There's just such such a sense of shirty about like who she is that I want to learn more about her but also I want to learn how to get. How did she get there So I'm really excited to talk to them today. How about you Charlotte? Yeah yeah so it's going to be our first black British guest. Yes which I think is important. I think it's important to hear from other her EXP- black experiences me too and I also think you know I grew up with such a deep deep love for like British comedy and British movies so I always thought that British predation especially British black people were just inherently cool light to be a British blacks. Like what do you mean that you've ever you know. Struggle struggled with a lack of confidence. You're just born cool. Look at that accent. Anything you say. British sarcasm is the funniest. It's the funniest thing in the world. I'm just like I don't know if anything and be funnier than like British person being sarcastic nope math. I don't I think well I can't wait to talk to her. I feel like I'm just like a little nervous. You're so beautiful. The the the Nigerian in me except that obviously but every other part of us like let's no it's a face but thank. You should not be nervous at all. It's all of a sudden all of the Nigerian. You that makes you so confident. Yes yes shadow over that was more specifically specifically. It's my mother. I yeah that's just even when I'm not feeling confident I am confident. Because she's in me all the time so my my urge to shrink is overpowered by the urge to kind of standard and superheroes. So it's fine. Wow what's what's your mother like. She is an incredibly intelligent. And perhaps the funniest person I know she is. She's a fantastic mimic because of the reason reason why she's so good at mimicry. Is that she. She puts in a little bit of cruelty. which makes it fantastic? I think she kind of she's zeroes in on the thing that makes a person a person cussin' and then she pirates shove and it's fantastic so she's the first funny person I knew and she still is one of the funniest people I know. She is hilarious and awesome. She's yeah she's funny she's great she's Incredibly bold she does things and Explains later if that's the thing that is required but she's not necessarily looking to explain a lot of the time she's incredible. She's very warm. She's very kind Until you until you cross her children and then she'll run needs to the ends of the earth she's she's she's wonderful. I love her. Should you think Because one of the things that we want to talk to you about is we felt that you. Are you exude such confidence in the world. So it's you know it's a really interesting thing when we think of our perceptions of other people because you just shake your head now on Lake I listen to your pockets and I've sceneries with you and I'm just like how can I get to that level of just like trusting myself and you said it's the Nigerian and you that can accept it. Can you like AAC elaborate on that show before I do that though. I think it's important also knew I don't know how old people think I am but I'm very close is two forty so a good amount of this. Thank you for saying that a good amount of this is just plain old time. The longer you live live in your body on this earth I think the more you get to a place of just like I guess this is it so make amends. Delake fix it like you know. I think that's a big part of. It is really just a case of like. Oh I've been doing this for so long. So sometimes people say oh. You're so confident and I think think of the back of my mind I'm like do you think I'm twenty three and therefore it's all because I'm not and that's no shade at all to twenty three year olds. There are many confident twenty three year olds and God bless them but I wasn't always someone who kind of stood onto feats like firmly planted. I was sometimes shaky recall many years ago crying in a toilet work because because I was terrified that I was going to be exposed for something that was the first and anytime I've ever had imposter syndrome because thereafter you realize that the bulk of people are idiots. And so it's like it's fine so that's another huge thing but the most important thing I do think and I always want to reiterate this is that I am. I am thirty seven years old this year and and so a lot of the stuff that used to kind of linger. It's gone I who has the time like there are so many of the things I wanNA do. WHO has the time? Time to be fretting. Like I'm so much more aware of death like Jesse real as real like this his flesh like. It's it's it's degrading with every minute. I'm here so it's like fix up. I haven't got time. Unbe what is everyone they ask your. I'm like away. I'm in almost the exact same space. I'm getting to the point where I literally don't have time for my lack of confidence consonance anymore. It's not serving me anymore and I'm also very aware of the fact that I'm I have a finite amount of time here and is this how I I wanna spend it reading over whether or not I'm good enough at something inconsequential by the way. Like something in a few months probably won't even matter that much anymore not title and I do think I think one of the things I all my life. I've been a Quite keen diary keeper so I had very extensive. Diaries is that sometimes. I wrote in Code. When I was a teenager I was terrified? Someone's going to discover my deep dossier. I mean honestly. I had no secrets I was in. When you're a teenager? You really think that that everything is the most important thing you've ever done ever thought never felt something I decided to do. A few years ago was to write down not even every day but you know every few weeks just kind of like rake over the events of the previous weeks right write that down and then come back to it and one of the things I have that I still do is go back to their diary diary and find appoints maybe a year in the past and I read the stuff I'd written and it's always a catalog of worries or concerns uh-huh or triumphs or sadnesses and a year later. I think to myself I remember about nine point seven percents of anything. I'm reading which at the time felt strong enough that I had to write it down. If fell burning enough. It felt like a big enough issue that I was like right this shit down. It's going to matter and then a year later you like it. It's not a matter I do not remember any of the particulars. This was a nothing. Oh my God and you don't even remember how it felt on the time. The feeling Ling was overwhelming. There is and then you go back and you think ok on the one hand. This is just a function of memory. And you know whatever on the other though do it kind of places your experiences in a much bigger canvas and then you think. Oh I see generally speaking I'm nothing like in the grand scheme of absolutely do yourself down oversee your something you someone great but ultimately we are missed and I think that's an important thing in a sense of proportion and I think that's it basically it's one thing after the other and it's like everything leads to the next thing to the next thing to the next thing until you know they put you in the ground and so you really have to kind of figure out where you're going to expend so much of your energy a- and then pull back from the places where you realize. The return here is small as to be s to be. Yeah nothing so yet eh. Choose wisely but that only comes. I do think with a good amount of time. And you know some navel-gazing introspection where you think I need to sort this. How will you know if I don't it might happen to me? So it's in your own interest. I think to yourself out as much as you can. Yeah Oh that was like A. I just took notes. I'm not and just had to step back I'm like Oh yeah. That was a word because I'm in the point of like I'm thirty three so I'm in the like I've got sort myself out. This shit cannot persist like you said we're just you know each each moment that we breathe. We're dying we're going to die. Yeah so yeah. It's just really. It's good to hear that introspection. I am also like an avid journal. Or but I find sometimes I go back back to my journals like whenever I started new journal. I read the first page of the last one that I finished new an like. Damn why am I still dealing with the same shit. I've gotTA GOTTA figure out a way out of this But I see I I do think that sometimes you're not looking necessarily to to fix so if you're dealing with something that you were dealing with a year ago that's still okay. I I do think that especially in terms of diary keeping. I am not doing it to fix wchs myself. I'm doing it really kind of look at myself. There are some things that I think. We're going to just end up having to live with so it's fine to still be going through something incredibly incredibly similar this time last year. Five years the key is I think really learning kind of make room for that thing and kind of below. Well maybe I'll never quite shake this off and that's okay okay. It can live with me if it's not actively harming me if I'm not if I'm seeking to change it and it's not changing and I'm doing all that I can you know. Then maybe it's fine. Oh at least maybe it's livable. Maybe find is an overstatement. Maybe maybe I can coexist with this thing. Maybe it's a part of me that I can just roll is at the very least he's it's you can learn from it right. I'm so sometimes you don't learn and I think that's also a k. You have to give yourself the room to kind of like I. Guess I'm you you know just not getting this but I'm getting all these other things I think that's the important thing. I'm trying to find a place of balance where I am not needlessly beating myself up and I am mostly cloudy myself on the back of doing the most basic stuff. It's kind of like wow. That was amazing. The way you chew that food that's not like but it sounds like what you're doing is just being present and in the moment trying to be and I think that's a difficult thing because the nature of life as we live it is to be thinking talking about the next thing on the next thing and whether that's like in the grand scheme of your career or just a relationship or your life or whatever your relationship with your mom how you think about your father and you know all these other things you all condition all of us are conditioned to think about Oba. What next which I think is a good thing because you know the human states I think to be striving for some ineffable something which is whatever survival Brian Right exactly? You've got to look out for yourself on the people around you. You and your tribe I get that but I also think that you know in the meantime stuff is happening in the now and it's fine. It's good it's great to look back and kind of be like wow. I really learned something. But in the meantime you're in it now you're you're you're doing. You're dancing all the steps so to try and figure out a way where possible so kind of at least if not enjoy. Don't actively hate the steps. Ben This all sounds super profound and like it's something you've come to after a long Reflection was there a point in your life where everything was very opposite of this viewpoint that you have right now that you were You're making more of moments comments than just accepting them and just being present for them like. was there really bad. Time that like forced you to kind of get to this place of quiet and observation survey Shen and acceptance. I know what the narrative requires. The answer is no I- incredibly incredibly incredibly fortunate. My parents superb people. I have a really wonderful relationship with both of them most of the time because you know you have to leave room for the other bits but I think something that was kind of hammered into me in a way that was also very casual and I don't think my parents were where they were doing it but I think that I have always kind of thought of myself as you know good. I'm fine. I'm crates even like without being too. You know to Nigerian. But I'm yeah I think I I grew up with a very constant sense sense of self i. I was aware that I was you know that I had value And in a kind of like Pollyanna kind of like. I'm amazing amazing. I thought I was just like another human being that had as much right to do be anything as every other human being. That's it with the full knowledge that the world is not fair with wooded that look like from your parents because you talk about them so much instilling this view. They they let us be. I was a very Over there was a period of my life where I was an overly sensitive child. Everything irritated me and I was my dad's in a very classic Nigerian away rather than an kind of let me be would would give me a terrible nickname. He called me the egg and he'd be like don't touch the egg she might very now. I look back and I'm like well terrible terrible father but you know he was right I was I went to this really prickly. Nothing was correct. Nothing was ever done right. If someone looks at me the wrong way at you know flash and just kind of like almost hit them like I was is very weird thing so I think about that period period a very specific point of my parents kind of going. Well that's just him and I think that's fundamental to how they kind of let us be. Let us just be. I think I was Fellow precocious child. I was good at school was But my being good at school was an accident. I wasn't a very good student. I think every every report card was like bins very intelligent. The one I remember a lot was intelligent. But she's very overconfidence And that's a problem because she thinks she knows everything but she doesn't and that was very true I was I thought he devices. A big enough word and said it within the authority which by the way. That's a trick for life you can just use but I would kind of just like say stuff and I'd say it would like real kind of and that's that and everyone was like notes. No when I was like isn't it and then you can see the Dow is it no. I'm just like this stupidly confident child. It's not real. It's not correct so I was very overconfident. I did think that my quote unquote you know natural. Intellects would save me and it's like no it won't like you have to apply yourself so so. That was the point of that but like in general I guess I was talking about. This is my sister actually recently. We were saying how we will always very aware that our parents loved us Because they did love us and it was very clear in their actions and their words But then the thing that we said was like well l'amour important thing I think was that our parents liked us and that feels very difference to like this all ankle passing. You know you came from me you on. Oh my child I love you you know. We had long conversations. We spent time together. We'd go on drives we you know. They want to know what we were thinking. They care about our opinions. I mean apply our opinions but they can. They wanted to hear what we saw. And I think that was just like it's really wonderful grounding thing of just like understanding everything I was saying wasn't even if not everything. A lot of what I was saying was being heard we. We mattered to my parents of course but also so to the outside world if if they think we have something in us then maybe the world will think tha- I look back and I think Oh. Yeah that must have something to do with it. You know. We're zero born with the thing that makes us. It's fine half of each of our parents but we are also one hundred percent ourselves so perhaps I was born with like a you know this really unshakeable unshakeable sense of solving which case thank God but also I do think there's a big part of that is just kind of like no. I think I had a very fundamental unarticulated understanding. Even as a child that that I that I mattered in some way but not not more expensive anyone else. That was what my understanding was modelled on because my parents told us uh and showed us that and so I just I just fell into it. Do you see a lack of that in America because this is something that I think about Observe and talk about all the time with my non-american friends just seeing their level of confidence and sense of self and sense of self love and I think Not What every non American culture a lot of non American cultures for example. My husband is Indian and him and his friends seem to have a self love. That was instilled in them by their parents. Like you said liking them spending time with them acknowledging them you know making them feel like their thoughts in were important important. You know like these little actions every day to make you feel accepted and loved and I've and I think the comparison when I look at my myself and my American friends and those of us who were brought up here. We don't seem to all have it. We don't seem to all have that shared experience. Our experiences experiences seemed to be a little bit We tend to have a little bit more trauma a little bit more disconnection from our parents a feeling that we weren't particularly like or at at least that's what I tend to feel sometime. I think it's a problem. All around the other thing I wanted to point out is that of course when I speak about a lot of what I'm thinking about is when we were living in Nigeria Julia so we were born in the UK moved to Nigeria for a few years while more than a decade. But I moved into a middle class comfortable experience in Nigeria. Uh where my parents had office jobs and they had good hours and so they could spend time with less than they could encourage us in our endeavours at center. So what what I'm talking about here is a good amount of privilege alongside the love that parents feel for their children. But like it's easier to show love with money. Let's be very clear so I think what I'm speaking about here is very much me. I know lots of people who grew up similar to me between the UK and Nigeria but like in terms of trauma that exists everywhere. Like when we lived in Nigeria we arrived in Nigeria under the you know the head of state when we moved to Nigeria was Ibrahim Babangida Benja. He was a military military man. who was you know bad for Nigeria? And then after him there was like you know our attempt to democracy in the June twelve elections and then that went to port and then we had a military dictate so we had Sanni Abacha General Sanni Abacha heated and die until maybe the year the year before I moved back to London so again like trauma was every way we we did not have direct kind of hand of white supremacy pressing down on us in our everyday not all the time I mean it was there because Nigeria ex-colony obviously of Great Britain. So there is. There is trauma in the every day. But my WanNa WanNa hear more about your time between the UK and Nigeria but also your transition to America but we're GONNA take a quick break and we'll come right back. Just make good holiday give. What super comfortable Bomba socks? You know what I'm GonNa have to say I agree with you. I have on box right now. 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So I'm definitely going to check this out and lucky for me and listeners of the show dipsy is offering a thirty day free trial when you go to dipsy stories dot com slash secret lives. That's a thirty day free trial when you go to Dipsy D. P. S. E. A. STORIES DOT com slash. Secret is and we're we're back. I'm just like I just want to listen because I'm always when I meet people who had good childhood. I always so curious. It's amazing movie and be like wow. That was that lake lags that I just don't even want to be. What was that experience? Like to grow up in feel loved and light and how that carries U And just even your your recognition of like you know. My family family had good jobs and not be stressed about. Money is like a freedom to be able to like eggs more interactive kids in a different way. So whenever I don't know I'm always always in awe and a little bit not jealous the wrong verb word wondering what if what would I be like this exact act. Same Way fantasizing. Yeah it was fantasizing about what that would look like a and trying to do what you talked about earlier which is not holding onto that. I mean Right and I do think I've kind of painted this picture of my parents like these. You know fucking amazing. And they are but you know the human beings and they are I say as Florida's any of their children and I do have certain resentments like my life in my life that I had in the UK for example like life was Oughta we were working class in Niger in the UK. Middle Class in Nigeria but immigration changes your status every time when we when I came back to London we we will not middle class. We do not have to cause did not have the made You know and also he didn't have the support of the whole family system my mother my father siblings and our extended family. They're Nigeria and yeah we were not rich opposite of rich. We were very we actually. Yeah we won't walking Clawson Pool in London and that was an adjustment in itself off. It means that right now. I am an inadvertent Holder of money. A don't like spending money. I'm incredibly cheap. Everything is kind of like. Could I walk because I go get a taxi and I'm like no it's okay. The exercises get like you know like the constant fear. The first time I went on holiday and paid for by myself I was excuse my language. I was shitting bricks because I was like how am I gonNA replace. Oh my God what are you doing. And so yeah how we how we came up definitely affects how we kind of face the world day in day out so yeah it means that I might my urge. Every time I get any bit of money as well pull the in. Put that in a tax free savings account. I've taken a of everything. The government has offered me in my growing where they kind of go. Put this as as you should. But also it's coming from a place of slapped with allergy legit where I'm just GonNa like never going to be poor again doing that again and I because we were poor growing up. Are you know this is this is this is the truth and so I just want to say that when I mean you I love that you've made such a point of you know saying that your parents aren't perfect but also saying that they are great people in that you. I love them but I point out parents not to blame them. For whatever the result of our confidence our lives are but because because for me knowing and understanding that a lot of my current worldview and behavior and lack or lack of stuff like self love and confidence finance was things that were learned from childhood. But it's not to blame them. It's the point out that they're not set in stone is just like the knowing and understanding that there's an their origins to things means that I can undo some of the things and it makes me feel like I'm in a place of more power which feels better right right like not. We're not born. Yeah you know feeling away you know you do this on our podcast Thursday and we talk about the a very basic very different things but kind of similar what we talk about this idea of who we fancy is not some divine law. A lot of that is influenced by any number of variable starting with popular culture. I think about the people that I thought to myself. Oh I thought I fancy them. He's just tall. Oh and I do think about that when when we talk about how we how we came up because again it's not a place of blame. It is what it is life is. Life is life like we're here. That's fine but I do think. Think in terms of like my approach to things my mother like I said she's the boldest person I knew my mom goes in chest. I like she is. I was getting like superheroes stunts she goes in. And then you pull her aside and you know what you're doing she was like no but no one does come on. I was like why are you so confident. I thought you knew everything kind of person who we're just going to say so so kind of see what the other person has like. She's very much. Let me poke this bear. And I'm like let's leave the bear. She yeah sometimes I see myself of being you know relatively timid next to her and I think Oh and then when I whenever I do in fact do a very bold thing I think all. That's mum and it's not just mom. It's it's her mother. My Grandmother Who I knew briefly before she passed away when I was a kid and she was also been pressured like this tiny woman like a bird like she was very is very small. Risk was so delicate. One of the strongest grip. Jesus she was like this incredible businesswoman. She was she. That's the other thing as well. She was wealthy like she did she. She was. She was a businesswoman. She traded with the grains people up in the north of Nigeria. And she would go on like month long long trips. You know all the way to the northeast kind of security of her business and in a way my mother and her siblings was sort of semi raised by their grandmother. My Great Grandmother Mother who I never knew and she was a woman as well but I do think about how my mom for. Example is such a presence for a lot of the time such a present mother and I think Oh you're responding to the fact that your mom wasn't there all the time and so again just to point out what you said. There are patterns that emerged from how we were parented and you. Don't you see he them years later and he's like oh mom. Is this way because you know. Oh Okay I get it and I think that's like an important thing to remember. That appearance are also working on the various pressures. That are being exerted. Sit on them from their own histories. were all going through generational legacies and it's just like having the ability to uncover of like. Oh this happened to my childhood because this happened just like just even that sense of awareness but when you talk about your mom in her superhero stands. uh-huh how have you carried that with you Throughout you know your own life and your career career I think one of the things that I really admire about you as you've touched on so many things like your playwright and you're a writer and a producer and do you think part of your ability to sort of be fearless and doing all of these various different things. Things comes from like your mom's presence of like I can do anything I mean. Good amount of that does well. But then I also think I have quite wide wide interests and I always have done in a way it. One of our I take on a new creative endeavor. It feels like it sort of belongs to me because why wouldn't it but I was interested in everything and I think my parents were like. Yeah why no but even then and this is very important even then there was still an an outside pressure on me that when my parents were like what do you want to do. I was like I was thinking something in pharmacology and they were like Oh okay and then my second year of the UK recall a-levels levels I decided that way hang on. I had a conversation with my sister. Who is my best friend? And maybe the best person I know and she was just kind of like. Do you want to be a pharmacologist. You're like I don't I really do. Not What we farm cultures. What the Hell am I doing? Like if the D. and chemistry hadn't hadn't already told me my sister's going to like what the Hell I was like. Wow that's thanks for being there to just kind of slap me upside the head. I don't want to do this so yeah the next year. Ah At six four my basically when I took on media studies and I took on General Studies and whatever just in an attempt to move away slightly from that then I took a year off like You know I knew my results were going to be terrible because I was doing the wrong subjects. Who Me I came to America? I have this wonderful long summer and then I went to university and university see. I studied journalism. I didn't get a job straight away. I did get. I got a short term engagement at the BBC in my second year at Uni and I assumed very foolishly naively but that's how jobs are going to come to me that someone would present me Jill. I'm okay thanks. BBC The BBC. That's a huge job. In England. It was a huge let me. It was a huge huge Jenny. And I was just kind of like this on the one on. That's my view. Pretty good then sign kind of always going to be this easy. I'm going to find them like that. And then and I let university into a recession and then we got out and there was that Oh print is literally dying grace superb. What now we know we did? Some Brentwood radio did TV. So at least I you know. My degree was in multimedia journalism anyway. All this to say finally I applied to do a masters because I thought well one way or another. I'M GONNA get a job in journalism so I'll go do journalism masters and I went and I go in and at the end of you. The person was kind of like. Why are you doing this? It was like the only way to get a job and she was like you show man. I noticed there was an application for a positive action scheme which is sort of a diversity scheme at the The Guardian did God newspaper in the UK. So I applied and I wasn't very sorry I found out about it two days before it closed. I kind of submitted his super ladies I got the interview I went in. I got the internship. And eventually they commissioned with a couple of short pieces. I'm so excited. My sister running into Safeway to buy a copy of the Guardian with her best friend. Lila and bring it home. It was gonNA like. She's in God. We had the whole thing and all of that just kind of like. That's what we did. We just got like all day. It was great but yeah basically I just kind of the from their job on the Guardian as kind of like a freelancer and then eventually I became an editor the I was just. Yeah anyone who was commissioned in May anyone who would pay me I'd be like yeah I'll do that and I just did it and you know those. Those are the years where I had no brakes and I was just constantly on the edge of kind of like will I make rents. Let's find out next week dragons. Jose like I didn't know anything you know like I was working all the hours than the money wasn't great but it was also kind of like this. Oh yeah this is definitely what I wanted to. I WanNa be a right writes. I want to keep doing this and what I am trying to pay it forward as best I can. I'm also just again super aware that the world I came up in is very different. What younger is is facing now so results and I get an mm-hmm Oklahoma kinda going? Hey how do you do and I'm like don't do like I did one of the things that I think you're really touching on which is conversation that Charlotte. I personally have a lot in terms of building saying you know I feel like. There's two confidence buckets that I deal with. Just like my personal confidence and professional confidence and it's like professionally. I can be like I did this. This is is great one of the things that you hit on is just like how much hard work plays into professional confidence. And it's just like through all that you're fucking working high like taking king every job and being like I'm not GonNa like say no to. This is hard work and it's really inspiring to hear like you know how when you're young. You're like Oh yes of course is great opportunities handed to me. This is what is going to be like and then you're like no. It's actually a lot of. I need to apply myself of constantly. And what made you decide to make the shift from working at the Guardian to sort sort of coming to coming to the states May And now really forging your own path and doing your own thing thing like I feel like a lot of your projects right now over your of your creation of your mind you So how did you sort of bridge that gap from going to but early crossing the pond and like right So I know the Guardian for a few years but in the middle of that I got an email from somebody media buzzfeed and speaking about fair and confidence. This was a very good example of that because I was comfortable at the Guardian I really understood fundamentally advised status. 'cause the the end result seemed known to me in some capacity. A you know a good vision of what the the future held I could. I could hold it in my hand. Something I think about now. All the time is I look at every opportunity on earth is fifty fifty regardless of the probability and my fifty fifty fifty breaks down to either it will work or won't and that's my mom's thing I remember that very specific I remember being scared in fact I I remember being scared to apply for the positive action scheme thing in the in the two days before the deadline and I said some you know but what if I do it and Blah Blah Blah. I may say no my mom very wonderfully and I'm GonNa do Nigerian accent Here Komo news accent. Anyway and she was I saw him. I said Yeah. She said so if if if they don't if they don't accept you like yeah and she goes is just no I said yeah she was going to come and beat you and I said no like an early as no. No one's going to beat me mom as as low as just no no big thing I said No. She was ordinary no analysis. I guess and that was a very important thing. My mom just looking looking at me looking like fake confused. Okay just explain it to me like I'm six them. When you say is just is no mama shows okay? Ordinary we know too is just like she just batted away like it was like a musket ordinary. No no she kept saying no and as I get ed thanks. She's very heavy handed with her lessons. I was like all right. Thanks got it chairs but but I do think that's an important thing to remember. So yeah so I was thinking to myself okay. Okay it'll be okay and I kept reassuring myself over and it'll be fine and then the thing that happened a buzzy to schools. I knew that they had their international outfit. And so I immediately really all my life. I've I've been kind of fascinated with America so it was written into my contract that I would spend a year as culture both of UK Working on our a section then was called the idea sections. We had a lot of essay writing there and it was risen in Charlotte to my sister. Who insisted I put it into the contract? And I'm very glad she did. She's very small. My sister and year later I moved to New York and taken care of again to come here for a year. I was GONNA come in the election year. I was going to cover the election and then when I was going to return home I was GonNa kind of act. Sorta a translator as it were of American Election Culture for the UK audience back home and then written tune into that but without being written was the idea that Oh of course hillary will win and then the wall to keep on spinning and then she didn't win and I remember saying to my editorial so I'm not coming home like I have to see at least the first term because it might be two terms so I stayed. I stayed and will nothing's happened. You know the presidency has been smooth sailing. Nothing bad or nothing to report on there. It's been the most boring couple years of my life but Yes so so. That's how I got to America on this but but I think the fundamental thing here again is even the the action of writing into the contract. Hey I want to come to America. That was something something that my sister kind of a sister Aka my mother's daughter of just kind of like ask for ask for it and get it written down but OSC for the thing if you WanNa Senate ask for again because the worst thing they'll say is ordinary new and then if it's a yes you get to do the thing you want. What do you think that your path looks looks? Like now I think the forefront is still that question of was the worst thing that could happen you know is someone going to be you or is is just gonNa be a no. There is an element in my whole. My whole career has been an element of just like try. And that's from the mini. I spotted the the positive of action scheme staying at the Guardian. Just kind of seeing that opportunity two days before it closed and then getting it. I think that also kind of gave me like this extra Philip and my step where I was like. Wait wait sometimes. Things work out and I do think that's like the greatest thing that my parents did for us was that they they help us get a little bit further than they did. So I mean I feel like this is this just conversation is coming from me at like a perfect time in my life. And I'm just absorbing all the energy that You shared and given today. And we always in this podcast by asking our guest. What's your secret? Wow what's my secret. I think his okay his a very basic thing. You got to walk in like you own everything and that's not an arrogance and it's not being unpleasant it's just a fundamental understanding understanding the inasmuch as your qualifications and your experience allows you have every right to be in most of the rooms that you were called in to. That's just the simple fact of life like a sunny sky is blue. I I have the right to be here. And that feels like it's not necessarily even a radical act. I didn't think it is but like like I had like maybe forty thousand imposter syndrome. One time in my twenties and then I burned it to the ground because I was looking around and I was like come on. I'm great always people equally grit. We're all greats like I understand getting jitters and being like slightly worried about you know I don't WanNa underperformance Cetera but generally speaking. I don't have imposter syndrome something. No I deserve to be a did. The work I have the qualifications is much my rights as it is anybody else's and then I move forward and sometimes I fall on my face but most of the time I ended up gliding by because yeah. I'm not in the room by accident. I didn't I didn't get there by accident. And that's like the thing that carries go through is like once I feel comfortable in my ability and in my own kind of skill sets. I don't I I can't contemplate anyone making me feel like I don't belong there. I'm just like no this is my birthright screw. You I live here. Yeah you know like it feels very yeah. That's like a fun once. I have my foot in the door. I don't tip too. I just kind of think all right well implant yourself you live here now. You're a tree. You're an oak. It's yours and that helps me and sometimes it's a Li- like get her. When I'm a roof I was getting my my teeth but other times? It's kind of like. Oh yes you are right yes I you were lying but then it became the truth. That's great that's really good. Hold onto that. So that's what I do it. Just get get a toehold in then I plant myself belongs to me. That's amazing. Well thank you. Thank you for coming and talking to us. We kinda sat at the foot of a wiser more contrary to my head. It's not good for me but thank you for saying that I just I honestly think it really is a simple case of just like you know. I am old like a really anything. That's it like my mom euro saying and it's essentially the translates into English as What an elder CONC- sitting sitting down a child could not see even if they crane the neck and these usually the way my mom says it's a shut down any kind of argument? Where Am I? Don't think I should let him what a child is current guy. That's an but I do think it's a useful It's a useful thing to think about of a page of notes and I went to the back of my page quotes that you said that have been really inspiring to me at this time reflective side. Don't think that it's just I think yes. You can say your age but I think that's just as credit to the wisdom innate wisdom that you have this looking at. It's going I and she doesn't have any with you. Do you do when I wanNA thank you for sharing it with US listeners. And I just am you know definitely GonNa leave with all of these notes and just like sit and think about the things. Are you crying Oren. No I like sounded like I was crying when I was like what. You're Su You did you did. Yeah well I mean I just feel like I'm getting Really emotional tell me about it. I don't know just because it's like I feel like I'm really moved by everything that she said. And it's stuff that I really need to hear right now this moment moment in my life like you know how sometimes things happen and you're just like wow. This is like called to happen right now because until like a lot and it's just you know competence and like recognizing my place is something bad is hard for me and I'm Mike finally finely coming. I'm sorry I'm going to cry like I'm like finally coming to terms to like just deal with Lake. You know things like recognize like good things in my life hyphen. Just even be able to be like Oh step in a room and just have that lake. Since of shirty of Lake I belong here is just like you know I feel like some even step in here and I'm like Oh my good- Am I good enough. Am I like supposed to be here. I am yeah now I feel silly because I'm totally. You're take me cry crying but I just an her voices voices so soothing it so soothing The felt like she was reading us a bedtime story the entire time. Yeah just so relaxing. Hits like one of my favorite things about bums podcast Which is notice me? Changing the subject The first aid kit is back but they do fan fiction wars into each episode and I just love to listen to her read her stories at the end so I think I'm going to process everything she said here and then I'm just going to go. Listen listen to that and change gears in my head. I feel like I'm going to bring it back because I'm not done with this sense of belonging long game that she kinda pointed to because I am. It's just making me. I'm in the same place in my life. I feel like as you you and I feel like I'm coming at it from a different point of view of coming up at it with more rage because I'm just like who took that sense of belonging away from me you know like like where did it happen in my life that I got to a point where I could walk into a room and feel like I didn't belong that I didn't deserve it that I wasn't good enough to be there and it's the feeling that has not served me. It has not made me better. It's not made me happier. It's not like you can't put your hand out and ask for validation and wait for people to tell you that you belong. It's very much something that you have to give to yourself off and I just feel like I'm just in a place of my life where I'm like owning it. I'm just like I'm not waiting for anybody to tell me. Yeah I belong. It's it it really does feel like confidence is a sense of belonging it's a sense of belonging but it's also a sense of for me. It's like I've had this really a big realization and shifted my head about how I value myself or don't right so it's just like I feel like it's been really rage ful and heartbreaking to be like. Wow I've operated all of these years with such like with a lack lack of value and how the lack of self lack of fat and it's just like I feel like I've I've grown into like loving myself more. You're but just recognizing when you don't value yourself the things that Joel except and lag ways in which you will you will walk in space and not feel comfortable because it's like you're not even valuing like all that you have to give your input and I feel like that has been a big wakeup call for me every day. It's like I'm doing a meditation about how to get over like self animosity and just thinking being logically like how to value myself and but putting onus on that it's like making me shift a lot of things in my life eighth that are like hard because when you operated a certain way for so long it's like that's what you know that's what you're comfortable with. Yeah it's just what I'm going through and interest. It's just really all of this is coming at. You're totally right when you said the heartbreak that you feel when you first realise how little you love yourself because you know you wouldn't treat another person that way. Most likely and it is heartbreaking to be so unconscious of this daily daily self harm and when you're finally aware of you do feel like who like wolf you know like I remember the first time I realized this is how much I you know. Frankly hated myself and I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe it but I feel like although that moment comment was heartbreaking. It was the beginning of a really long Journey to put in work. Yeah I know and you see how much work it takes. What do you think the word of the week is right before you asked me that? I was thinking about what she was to. You know what she was saying about parents because that's been a hard thing for me to reconcile a little bit like not fully blaming but then not completely -pletely taking away my own agency you know because I don't think blame is a good way to go because everyone goes through their own things and you don't know what people are going through But I do think that a sense of self confidence it comes from support I think I. I think being supported other people acknowledging your existence and acknowledging your innate humanity is very supportive it makes you it builds you into a person who has a right to be in a place you know and I think that's important so I think the word of the week is support and I'm just making that up I go. I'm going to agree with you. But also she also said something sort of like step into this unknown inbounder if like what it means to. I'm sorry I cannot stop crying to what it means to value myself am she. She was when she was talking about her her mom and how she was going to go on a new path and her mom was like no one will beat you. It's just what's the worse that can happen in ordinary. No no and like not being afraid of that as you as you step into into yourself. It's like you will get nose and people won't like accept that and I think sometimes I have a fear of like if if I changed the way that I've been to put onus on myself like who and what will I lose so for me. I'm going to go with ordinary. No I know it's not don't work and it's a phrase but it really It really stuck with me. I love it. What a great guess? What a great guest? I thank you guys. So much for listening Hand truly just feel like I was just in a therapy session We will see you next week. 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