5 Episode results for "Laurel K Hamilton"
83 | Supernatural | Sucker Punch by Laurell K. Hamilton With Interview!
"Weirdo bookworm unite we want to share our love of genre fiction with you. Some readers out there may look down on you for your love of horror, sci fi and fantasy, but not us. So stop by as we discuss what we've been reading. I under Junkies Sandra this is Scott stitches over there and we are ready to talk to you tonight about a very exciting author interview we had. We got to talk to Laurel K Hamilton which is pretty big deal. Big Deal it is a big deal. I was excited Sandra was very, very excited and. This was my first time reading one of her novels, and so I'm excited to talk about my experience with that as the first time reader. So we'll talk a little bit and then we've got our interview with Laurel. It is spoiler free, and then we'll come back and do the spoiler section Kinda same as always hope everybody's been doing as well as possible during this absolutely insane time to be a high. Had Our. We had our first Cova. Scare I guess you'd say an air quotes. Yeah. Like a work related possible contamination Sich situtation not not too bad for either of us. But of course, we took our tests passed with flying colors but at least now we've had that experience. Yes you've had that experience. So if you think you have to do it, get it done your honor junkies have they lived to tell the tale don't be scared Jonah Junkie So something else that was like really really exciting three. Sorry. I just want WanNa. Talk a little bit. John Related is we finally fine the Lee was true detective season one? Yeah, we did and. That was a huge deal for me. That was a huge deal so I will say. This the first couple episodes. It took me a while to really get into it and really like like the characters. But after after the whole season was done, I was very happy with it Sandra. I'm completely obsessed with it. I can't wait to watch the other T. seasons. It was one of those things like I described season one is like I feel like somebody made it for me somebody crafted it for me and like molded it and like shaped it and made it all Mason and pretty like clay and they fire baked in the oven and a glazed it and they're. Like here you go here I, made you this made you the season of television just for you and absolutely adored it. Of course, no spoilers for those who haven't seen it. All three seasons are anthology but this one has to do with a lot of stuff that ticks myi boxes of things that I like and it is kind of a procedural though be all tradition untraditional one. Just like the book we reviewed this week. Procedural, however nontraditional. So a little bit of background on our book. This week I think that most readers are going to at least be familiar with Laurel K Hamilton is she's responsible for two series of books the Anita Blake Vampire Hunters series and the Merry Gentry This is obviously in outing in the Anita Blake vampire hunter novel so this newest book is called Sucker Punch. So this was first of all book is frigging gorgeous like if you get a chance to eat some really pretty cover oh my gosh, it's got like you know kind Of like our our leopard on the front and it's lots of blues and blacks in a big gorgeous like aquamarine Gold I. There's like a blood drippy thing and like when you shift the cover to and fro, you get like Shiny Shiny bits I can't I don't know it's gorgeous. Super pleased in its when you open it up to when you open up, it's a beautiful hundred green and black with like blood red on the spine. It's definitely a departure of from the the covers that I am familiar with seeing for the series Oh. Yes. So I I could look up exactly what it was but a number of years ago the book switched covers from kind of like what a lot of us knew to these much more. Beautiful. Dare I say serious covers. I. Don't want to say that in the sound insulting but. We're there more artistic and not just here is a book cover. That kind of vaguely represents the story inside. There's definitely an artistic style when it comes to the covers of books when it comes to you John Re related books particularly fi supernatural were you know where you have like the hero or heroine on the cover and? That kind of art you all know what we're talking about and this new trend towards kind of a more more subtle cover while still being just beautiful. I'm a big Fan of Oh. Yeah. No at least covers have been great for years and years. So this was no exception it's such a treat. So let me tell you a little bit about, Anita Blake, the series, my my history with it, and then we'll talk about the book more specifically. So Anita Blake Vampire Hunter is a series of novels and some short novels also comic books of which I have quite a few of. Those that way. That mislocate Hamilton has been writing since hundred ninety three when guilty pleasures came out. So this is an urban fantasy series in that it is contemporary it is basically our world. Only there are supernatural things. Everybody is aware of them but other than that, there's a lot of things that makes it exactly like the world we live in there is the character of Anita Blake who starts out the series as basically known as the executioner known as war. She executes Vampires and Super Naturals. She raises the dead as an animator where she raises zombies. And that goes into a whole whole bunch of stuff. She gets into some romantic entanglements with supernatural characters in that grows leaps and bounds throughout the series Her love life is very fascinating and prolific and vary entertaining. And you need a flow chart, these are. In case, you couldn't tell these are one of those books where adults can into adult situation kids how just know that? A lot of the books we read our like that we don't usually give a warning for that, but you know just saying. So my history with the books. History. With the books is I started reading them not in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, three of a little young. But I started reading when I was a teenager let's say about fifteen to be safe and my friends read them and I read them and I really enjoyed them and I continue to read them and continued to stay at least somewhat involved in the series as best as I possibly. Could like I said I love the comic book run when that was coming out and I got some of those, these books were very, very key part of my teen and early adults and into my adult reading it's when you've been reading character Carrick Durr's but especially one character for this lawn you get very, very involved emotionally it just becomes a big part of you I guess I could say I mean. So obviously, she's been writing these books for more than twenty five years. This is the twenty seventh novel in the Series Laurel K Hamilton is a bestselling writer, New York Times Bestseller. People all over the world. Love Love love these books and have for very long time I. See a lot of myself in the character of Anita lot of ways were super. But in a lot of ways were really the same I've always appreciated that she was an assertive strong female that spoke her mind that she was very capable as the books have gone. On in the series of gone on, she's opened up a lot and she's more vulnerable and she's embraced her insecurity. She's embracing her mental health really really incredible stuff. She's found love as she's found love with multiple people. Her character is poly-amorous, which is really cool. You don't get to see that a lot I. it's not common books to see that that viewpoint no and. She is in love with people who are not. You know fully human there where people like him thrope. Big. Word. I cannot say empires were wills. On all that stuff and I. I'm not poly-amorous Scott's poly-amorous. We don't know enough to say that like Oh this is just the most wonderful representation of polly emery but I like the way it is depicted in these books. It makes me feel a lot of love for these characters and I want them to be happy and be happy with each other and I think that's what really matters at the end of the day. Right? I agree yeah, I. Think you know coming into this fresh I knew some stuff about the series. Because of you and then going into this book, I did spend a little bit of time on Wikipedia kind of catch up on exactly who these characters were. Yeah. But not a lot of time on that and I I have to say wikipedia doesn't do her relationships justice when you read the Quick Synopsis, Synopsis Sees No any wicky you find out there. It's like it'll be good to Kinda like give you a crash course. Yes. Yeah. But you know wikipedia makes it sound kind of Harem Ish. And there is a bit of a fun level of Hamish of Harem this this in it, but it's not it's not the the complete harem fantasy that the wick the wikipedia kind of makes it sound like it actually is very sweet and the characters are very honest and open and trust each other and I think that that's really really powerful to see and it's it's it's nice. Yes. Very very cool and as the series has gone on. Anita has you know collected all these people and characters in her life and enemies, and she's developed other sorts of powers as time has gone on one it's really really interesting is called the door which is kind of hard to describe. But for the most part have been found only in vampires until Anita kind of developed, it caught it I don't know what exactly to say but it's A sexual power that allows her to feed from other supernatural creatures and humans, and of course, that's going to make her relationships and the you know kind of sexual erotic scenes way more interesting frankly. And supernatural I'm not a huge romance reader as you guys have probably noticed even when like I mean it's not really one of our Jonah's that we focus on here John Junkies and so I'm Kinda like picky about my romance that I like but I like the way Laurel K and her characters handled their romance. It's it's fun Romp Times. But make no mistake a lot of the books including Sucker Punch really really focus on the mystery, the fantasy, the horror, the creepy nece at May I just say to these books have gotten even funnier time have gone on I just I. Love How much of her sense of humor she's putting into these books fantastic. Yeah. So Anita job is a martial she's a she's a supernatural Marshall. Now I don't know if I even said that there's so much to recap. Well, let me say this because I am not as privy to all of the changes that have happened but this book does a really good job of catching you up without it being a whole bunch of exposition. You know she talks about her her history is being originally one of the vampire hunters and being one of the four horsemen and how things have changed, and now she's her job is I guess quote unquote a little bit more legitimate. Yeah. It's a little bit more of like a like a really A. Government arm, but it's you know I. Think I. Want to say this because I have read none of the other books if you're interested in this at all by all means, you can start at number one, but don't be afraid to go ahead and jump in at at Sucker Punch I, think that this book stands R- up really well on its own and like how rare is that in a series this in depth there's like sway shorter series where you can't do that. So it's actually really inclusive and cool that she writes her book that way and we talk about it in the interview we do. So I WANNA, talk about my experience with this with the book. This was an absolute page Turner from me Injury Really Long Book. Like it's almost six hundred pages in its hardcover edition, which for me is is an epic novel. While at first looking at it I was I was. Ethical intimidated blew I blew through this book guys it is such a fun fast paced read and it's that kind of fast paced where you know when you're reading a book and you just you're you're just devouring it ends and you're like I want I want like two hundred more pages of this. This gives it to you and it doesn't really ever let up and I really I was really impressed and surprised by that. I think. That is so cool to hear. You say that for me, this was absolutely a page turner solid solid page Turner, and I was super happy with it. It's wonderful to get to see old friends, which is what it's like when you have been with the series for so long is these are old friends of yours and my favorite character in the Book Edward He's Imas Book. So that was like, yes, I was super stoked to see him. Yes. She does a great job of giving you a lot of back story but like what's relevant like is there are lots of characters and lots of moving pieces in the series. So it's like okay and another book that has more these folks in it should give you a little bit more oh this has. References to a pass case of hers. Cool. We'll tell you about that case from that other book and it's like it's really really nice because you're like just kind of waiting into the water like okay I'm comfortable. I'm comfortable here even though I'm a new person. I could totally see bat and those references don't feel too inside baseball. There's somewhere that need to be explained that are for the for the for the plot of this story, and there's some things that are just kind of references to things that have happened in the past which they actually the they're more than just a wink wink to regular readers. To kind of your appetite to read more I WanNa know about some of those stories. Yeah. You want to know about those stories, those cases, those characters everybody's very in depth and none of them. The men none of the women supernatural human in these books are paint by numbers they're really -ther. And I should say to one thing I always really admired about these books. Now, we have the poly-amorous connection, but there's been a lot about sexuality and sexual orientation and gender. Really really cool stuff. That I really love to read about you guys know we talk about stuff on the show all the time, and especially for me having read these characters for so long when I first started reading them when I was in my teens there was not a lot of books that were talking about You know so many different types of people and way to ways to identify and ways to have sexuality, and it's really really cool that it's like something that was kind of foundational in that sub genre. And also urban fantasy in general. Let's just kind of kind of categorize it as that they're really you know we hate to be to contrite about any John Rica's things blend, but she is also one of the pioneers of that and if you like a bad ass woman detective who can execute supernatural naturals and navigate crazy worlds and all of that stuff you you definitely have to thank Laurel K Hamilton for that she was foundational in having that energy in books. So can I tell you a little bit about sucker punch sure. So just Kinda give everybody you know what are what are we going to get you here with the story? One of fellow US Marshal Asks Anita Blake to fly to a tiny community in Michigan's upper peninsula on an emergency consult she knows time is running short when she arrives there's plenty of proof that a young wear leopard killed his uncle in the most gruesome and bloody way possible as the mounting evidence to him a warrant of execution is already underway, but something seems off about the murder and Anita has been asked for her expert. Opinion on the crime scene despite escalating pressure from local cops and the family's cries for justice for their dead. Patriarch Anita quickly realizes that the evidence doesn't quite add up time is against Anita as the tight knit community is up in arms and it's fear of supernatural is growing she races to uncover the truth and determine whether the marshals have caught the killer or about to execute an innocent man all in the name of justice it really is a murder mystery I was not expecting that we like I said, usually the books there's. Something, like that, there's a murder mystery. There's a there's a, there's a body in town or something like that. There's a really good plot, but a lot of her books are centered around really good mystery. You can't beat that. We love mystery we do love mystery. So for our readers who have not been introduced to Laurel K Hamilton and the to Blake, who do you think should be picking this up of our listeners to read it. I'll man that's a toughie because it's obviously going to plug it. My Heart Street is a little bit. A series that I've been with for so so long You know, honestly, I think that these books do have quite a mass appeal I think that men would like them. Women would like them. Non Gendered folks would like them human supernatural. So Everybody I mean jump in. Now jump in at the beginning you know like figure out where you WanNa get in and just give these books at try and being credibly entertained and I for a lot of people they love it when a series has a lot of books for them to devour and why not try one. That has you know twenty seven novels. There is something to be said about falling in love with a series and already having a whole lot of stuff to dig into. It's hard to give an appeal score to a series. That's successful. That's this this big. I think that this has a broad appeal I think that for for those who are not into anything supernatural at all the you know this, this might not have it but man if you like supernatural at all. Yeah. Out here normal supernatural. into creatures and there's so many great I wish I could say the word can. I. Say the word if you're like me stupefy can't say it either. But if you're like me, you should and you have you're like me, you haven't picked up the series even though you've probably heard about it for decades just pick it up, give it a shot and I don't hurt. It's not GonNa hurt you and you don't have to. Start from the beginning if you don't want to really as someone who's only read this book, Go ahead and pick up this book. I. Think I think that you will I don't think that you'll regret it. Now I can flick could hurt can't hurt anything can only help you and just look at where we've come to. Since one thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, three you know like people who've been readers for a long time like us. An older you know things were different books were different in the nineties and the eighties in the seventies, and especially as someone like me who's other favorite authors Stephen. King Anne Rice you know you see cultural shifts and it's a little bit of time capsule when you read books that by authors that stretch such a huge period of time. But if you like paranormal supernatural creatures at all and especially when I was gonna say it was with the with the like throats the where people there's better words for this I mean th th rope Syrian throats is now the politically correct term we use in the books. There's all the different big cats, lions there's hanging is there's rats there's there's a wear animal for you. There's a wear animal for you are maybe being an animators more your styling, you WanNa, raise the dead perhaps you vampires fuel of Vampires why the hell have you not read any Anita Blake books. Alright. So I think without further ado, we've got to get into this very, very exciting interview with Laurel K. Hamilton. The we are so humbled that she graciously did a little call with, US. Scott. What talk a little bit about there's some tech stuff if why we had a few technical difficulties with this interview, you will notice a change in audio about halfway through. The audio quality is still good but I apologize for the for the degradation in audio in the second half I mean the world's an imperfect place and you know sometimes it just is what it is. But like we said, it's still as good in the content is frigging fire. So that's all that matters. Without much more further further ado the Johner junkies are proud to present Laurel K Hamilton. Enjoying, the show leave us a review. You can find us on Instagram at johner junkies will as genre junkies don't calm. And now back to the show. With us today needing really no introduction is Laurel K Hamilton author of the Anita Blake series good. Morning. Hello. Hey. Good Morning. Hi Scott Hi Sandra it's good to be here. Oh my gosh. This is amazing to have you. This is so exciting. So I wanted to go ahead and start as a first time reader of the series I was surprised by how little previous knowledge I actually needed to become invested in your characters and your world what is your method to making your books approachable to those who are just coming in? Well I try to treat every book as much as possible where you can pick it up and come in and that you know. That gets harder harder with more books more background you build up, but I really do set down and I think you know all right the first draft because you don't edit as you do for staff that that's that'll stop in your tracks every time but then subsequent drafts I look at it and go Kay I had never picked the series up this was a brand new book if I was in a bookstore or in the airport and honest picking this book up and I was reading it would this draw me in in would this be enough information so that I didn't feel loss I really do I really do try to bear that in mind It is it is quite a challenge at this point but I really do think about I because I still hear from people that say just that like you said your first Ruder I actually do still get a lot of people and I just found you. I'm so excited so many books and people are reading at home in he in doing more books now as things gone on 'cause you know. Online has become harder everybody's kind of hunkering down so. I get. I'm getting lots of Preston, readers. and. They say the same thing. They usually get back to the beginning after they they read up to but but I really do try because I know that in the airport there's going to be delayed That's it. They just don't have shelf room for everybody's whole series. That's that's awesome and I mean I'm so happy like that. Scott found that to be so true for your books all All have gone into more detail on this, but I am not a first time reader. I. Am a long reader. So it was really really exciting to get to have a different. From him as a longtime reader versus new reader. That is really cool. Yeah. It's you know we do what we can hear. Jonah Junkies. Anita is a strong assertive female character just like me. How does it make you feel when your readers talk to you about how much Anita has inspired them it. When it first started a low these. I started out. I was puzzled by how many people said you know she helps me strong because honestly my grandmother race, there were no. and. So I was Rai- I. I wasn't raised to be the girl because that wasn't an option is made heavy had to be lifted when I got big enough. You're talking to it. Wasn't like we had help from anybody else to go to. So I didn't know the Anita was so strong. I didn't know that wasn't option to be anything else it took me quite a few years to go. Okay I understand it now I love the fact that so many people tell me needed has inspired them to be stronger and that it's okay to be stronger, it's okay to stand up for themselves I. Was Not socialized to be to be the girl not in any way I I, was not I was I was told to I had to take care of myself. No Man is conducive for me and that if I wasn't stronger to take care of myself, my way I was at that was how I was raised though. So that's how neat is. That's how I am. I honestly did not there was another option. In and but I'm meet so many women that I really thought would be passed us to be honest. We are still socializing or girls boys so differently. and. And girls are still being socialized to be nice and I love hearing from women saying you know I spoke up I listened to that little voice in the back of my head. I knew it wasn't a good idea. So I said no, because I knew Anita wouldn't do it. I had women that have left abusive relationships and they stay is put up and I I mean that is that is such such a gift to be able to share strength. In a way I, get to share my own upbringing. I share the strength that I was taught and raised with everybody I you know I also get I also get min. The also say that needs help them be strong in a different way that that that they're all different kinds of strength. And just like gives me chills. It is a really. Holy unlooked for on my part and it's been a real gift to share with everybody that was. That must be why like rings so true is it's just what it is is just natural. Yes. I I grew up with my grandma for a lot of my years too. So I always like to hear another raised by grandma type of person, and of course, she was old school old schools. Oh Yeah. Very old school and. An. People's Graham was not all the same but. I do not think my grandmother ever were makeup day in her life. She was raised in farm country. So she didn't have any time. She had no patience radio that followed the all stop that that you know nobody cared what I looked like it was. Could you list this? Can you do this for me? And so I really I. Really you know people will say you know early interviewer said you know and love she said this off camera I love Anita but I bet her closer so awful what made you think to dress like that? In the early. In the this this woman is dressed, this woman was dressed in in very high enclosed top to bottom. I mean, she looked abuse and I I dressed up for the interview but I just didn't have the heart teller of that I just look down at what I was wearing. Eh, needed wear that right Didn't occur to me. The more I, the more I go out and meet people that are more into fashion in more into the whole indoctrination I didn't get about appearance is so important the more I realized that I'm really have no since bashes I really off and I, I that's not a bad thing. It's just it's just I just don't think about it. It's it's just I'm gonNA go Amnuay cupboard. Is By. 'em I covered is everything covered is worried shoes appropriate to the day? Can I walk the dogs in these guy? I. Go outside without tripping on something is it raining or these waterproof do I need? To the practical list that's how I. Joked John is the one who taught me how to wear high heels. because. I couldn't I didn't know how to wear high heels. I. Really. Didn't and. Rightish on Claude his great fashion sense. He's the one who got me watching fashion TV and things like that trying to figure out how to dress him and and so for John Call that I were the really high heels and learn how to rock in because I I wanted to know how that feel felt. Sometimes I write very much like a method actor I will get into the. Of the character in that kind of thing and so. It was only half joking Sean Claude taught me how to wear high heels. Oh, I love that so vital all doesn't awesome sir. I've noticed that one of the things when you introduced characters a lot of times you do describe a lot of what they're wearing where do you get the inspiration for those outfits then? I don't think about close. But what I've learned is that I do I can't design clothes I can't. So but I I can look at things together I I can design clothing. And I didn't know the everybody could do this until. So many people asked I. Know I. DO I get inspiration from different things and Oh, my goodness like the the I have to say that that instagram is wonderful for visuals. You can go through and see things. But also by the time I found instagram to the degree I have. Now I don't even dressing him for years. So I really wasn't in fact I begin to go their dressing election Claude not the other way. I think part of his inspiration came from. Some of the early. Early Hammer Vampire films not the Chris. Really ones but like a One that I saw I was saddened inverse time. His creature feature late, our and my uncle fell asleep staying with those kids. So you know you get to watch anything new adults was awake. And I did not seat again until I was in my twenties I didn't realize that the lead vampire has the long flow blood flowing white shirt and he's got long curly black hair and I went. Oh, Jeez only. He was there in your early childhood memory just of waiting here apparently so that that movie. Back by subconscious and just waited. and. You never know you never know is a child. What's going to stay with you and what's not? And I've learned from my own childhood and now is a is never know what's going to make a lasting impression. Who Know that one viewing of one movie when I was seven point who of all this year slavery go here I am yeah. Exactly. But I didn't know that until after right and I saw the movie later and I just went. How so that's we used to seed of physical I love that you referenced Hammer Horror I'll I love love me some hammer horror fantastic only to absolutely I actually I. loved it with that actually brings me to question. I've been kind of dying to know for a long time. Now, what is your favorite character to write other than a Anita if she is your absolute favorite? Well she's easiest her her voice in after writing her so long it's like it's just instantaneous I can like. Go right into her revolt favorite character right It's really going to depend on the day. Edward is one of my favorites too right because he's dysfunction. Cool. Cooler he's cooler than now I'm sorry. He just he just comes in in Stop I love the repartee between and John is is strangely not where my favorite right because he he is so far from my voice that sometimes it's hard and that's one of the reasons I will get into close. Feel Soak feel waste will help me in a channel. On, better acre Jason Jason favorite character, right? He's just fun. Paper. So. There's so many I mean I I really enjoying really enjoy the large cast though sometimes it's burdensome as a writer has everybody's in my head going I wanNA turn I wanNA paper and I'm I'm starting to feel like a conductor going note that car. have. I have to say that there is a couple of in the middle. I tried to get everybody way tried to give everybody in stage in. It's just it's just too much. You can't do justice to them. So my new role is that you can be on stage, but if if you can't stay in a meaningful way, you just have to wait I'm sorry I can't everybody on stage and do them justice his. There's so many great characters and I want to explore them on. But I'm hoping to do more short novels like I did Mike Adjacent but I, I'm hoping to do more short novels were some of the characters that are not getting either as much time on stage or they're not getting all their stories told can have side books so that I can explore them without having is much. Pressure. Of the main plot of a book machine at me I like that that sounds really cool. I'd be down for more at those. So several of your characters are sociopaths and some of your fans like the one sitting across from me seem to love and be fascinated by them. Why do you think that is and what makes them so compelling to right? I. Think one of the things that. One of the reason I started writing Sydney sociopaths is one it interested me? The other thing is that I truly believe there are a lot more socio has out there than than we think because a lot of people that are sociopath actually don't know they are because what sociopaths are really really good at these high functioning says he pads that. Blend in. Is that they think everybody else doesn't feel empathy either they don't know that it's a thing. So they entertain everybody socially and they can be brilliant imitate socially because they're just entertain the outward manifestation of about all the depth of it. They are some of the best akers because they have to be because they don't feel the emotions that go with what they're doing. So I, I honestly, more research done more. I. Think that there are a lot of people out there. That actually are well behaved not because they will empathy but because the role socialize but that doesn't make them not sociopaths they just this is just Palais are. I was. I was really lucky enough to meet someone was about to be able to talk. At late and it was very interesting to me because this person was the first person to give you a Kleenex. If you're crying candy if your mouth is dry, they were very generous. You would never no never known but their mother's brother resolve this issue. She grown up with, and so she sought an early age is able to explain your different most people and this is why how you hide it. How Yeah Yeah it was it was fascinating to me absolutely fascinating and so fascinating that I knew I put onstage I knew ahead to, and then I also meet other people that. You know with Anita and Edward worry about the sociopaths help are are they but they're to touch their more. First and then there were made if you around of violence, it's not that you really become assistant that's not really not really the race but to my knowledge, there is no phrase for someone that is trained up in sent out to round enough violence where they have to fight for life in they are doing the balance of rules. It's okay to go kill somebody trying to kill you in war, and then you come home and suddenly you're supposed to genie back in the bottle. It. There is just such a disconnect between the two that it doesn't. It actually doesn't puzzlement RN, people have trouble coming back in putting themselves into society because it is just so different I mean really light normal society is so is so artificial in some ways compared to the district of being in a place where life or death on the war that that there's no pretense there you know what you're supposed to be doing and everything, and then you come back here and they release all these rules, all these things that bound you around that that really have nothing to do with greed. And a sociopath because they don't. It strays something in you. It doesn't always work her back and they function just fine. Let me just say that zero people from the from the social forces community said, would you please write somebody? Who has his background? Isn't associate pat on I have. That's actually why there are. Now some some former seals in other special forces in the body guards in the book to have families and talk about the fact that that their wives, the wives really happy that they're now working for some arm. A NIETA because they stay in one place, the money's good danger levels burly low and gets home at night. And one of the reasons they exist is because so many people special forces could you please write one percent are background that isn't the sociopath and so guys this one's for you and that's that's why we have a lot of. Military that are just really regular guys with special special But so sweet a fan service a little bit. Yeah. I I've been really lucky in how many people who from these kinds of had talked over the years in told me stuff that that didn't go in the books of course, just to background had I not talked to real police officers had I not talked military Anita would not have had a trajectory of a character that she did because I wouldn't have known to to get it to her. She's easy about ten about ten years in between ten and fifteen years in mostly officers gets the court where they know where they know they're not going to be able to save the world anymore. They know that that's not how it works and you just get to where you want to go home. You want at the end of the day, and if you get out alive in and get to go home, then that's that's your victory and and. Socio. But I am fascinated with the fact that that someone who finished so well and not be you wouldn't pick them out because they just they just imitate what they see. Really really well, and then you have of course characters. Edward. Edward is the perfect actor. Now, most people his background or not he really could oscar-winner warning performance there. Between his alter ego. Ted Forced her US Marshal. Edward. A assassin to anything more dangerous than he is. But. I I love Edward in his growth as a character because honestly he was greatest sort of a bad guy. I had no idea. You would become a new best friend. I had no idea that that he had that kind of growth in him is a character So I in rituals characters it goes off does his own thing than shows up with done? I don't even know what he's doing. He goes. Oh. What really? Okay. Like like. I did not know he'd gotten engaged you anybody until like one page low needed coming down the escalator airport in meeting Donna. Oh my and then we both we both went. Oh I mean it was just like my mind was blown is like this can't be real I'll like. I love that I love that so much and. Well Edward is my favorite character in the series. South I love that he is still surprising you throughout the book still that Little Devil Oh my God Edward surprises me a lot of Edwards always been like that he's been one of the characters that goes off does his own thing comes back in it's a done deal. Yeah he doesn't ask permission. Debate you just like claw. This is what I've been doing. Well, I've been gone. How are you? Oh I love it, and that actually that brings me to our next question to you kind of touched on this a little bit. But in this book especially I talks about the importance of mental health and therapy is that a message that you're kinda trying to convey to readers these days? Absolutely. Absolutely. I started it started with a certain with annual going into therapy and talking about his time where he was he was running away and he got on the streets and he was addictive drugs and got claim because where leopards put let him in and we'll see got off drugs. And then even after became that, he's still not healthy not and he's been going to therapy and getting better in finding a happiness that works for him and I have so many readers. So many readers that have said that faneuil going to therapy had led them to go to therapy solves. The annual thought a clean stay. Clean had their sobriety. and. Once I heard that from the fans I thought you know I'm a big believer in therapy I've been in therapy. Often on by twenties I honestly you know every says, oh I wish I was my twenties again. Why do you offer? was like a man I barely survived my twist. What I want to go back. On. Your lucky. So in thirty two, begin to figure out who in what you are in or your forties done your work. Then suddenly you're new, you subtle in forties is was my favorite decade and so you begin to fill out your owner's manual each decade. And I love it. I love knowing myself more. I love not sitting around going I have no idea what's going on and you have to fake your grownup. Nobody tells you how to be a UP. there. So few rules I mean I am led the things have moved on. I, really am researching the past I do especially as a woman but at the same time I, think we throwing the baby out back bathwater and we have reached this thing where is to black and white everything's gray and You know a little bit of like here's how you be a grownup. Here's what you do. These are the things you do things you don't do it all agree on it but of course, we can't you know. I like. Brennan talking to her daughter and about a boy, she was seeing high school before last year. Said said Oh. You're going steady and she says what action a new study was just. That's when your exclusive each other and they usually extend your pin or did your classroom and you know you weren't gauge but you were steady were each other's and it was you know she says, introduces that would be so great. All I. Wish we had something like that. Because you know. Because I'm. Because I'm poly-amorous that means I dated across decades much more than most people and May. I say that the people in their twenties and thirties now it's it's much harder today it's easier to hook up than it was when. I was there I was in college out of college, but it is it is much harder to date i. think now especially, if you want a permanent relationship because they're so few rules of how view right now that's a really good point. Actually I really feel for people in the in the younger decades because it is it is there fewer rules and though one-handed screen on the other his confusing and and because are no rules. You don't know what rules the other person's using. So if you're talking to your your your your kids and trying to tell them how you dated, I, it is changed a great deal and. The advice may not be as good as you think it is. It's it's kind of the wild west out there is to help people are doing it beginning of how much things have changed, and he struggles through the book to come to grips with new terminology for the. Supernatural creatures in the book can you talk about that? Yes I did the new terminology for Anita I. decided that. I do politically correct speech to the book. and. Because cancer really just means technically just means being wearable it's just wolf face the Canterbury that's it. So somebody decided somewhere that you needed to be socially correct and have a term that is for old wearables and I did have a lot of fun coming up with different names and I thought. Is there a term that means shape change in general and by Golly they're is It is not fair in floppy T. H. E. R. I. A. N. T. H. R. O. P. Y. They're not there and off. Really. Just. Tongue. Oh my God I'm so tongue twister. It's much harder to say it's harder to spell and but but it does encompass all turning shape from human to animal does cover it all and you get to hear the words or cat which in and you have to use it correctly and people are these already gotten written up once by another Marshall because she didn't use the. Later. For the correct terms. It is it was it was fun to go back or in have needed who's very old school trying to remember all the new socially conscious vocabulary and know eat even some of the other marshals go back with it and by form for you know you can't say where you can't say Wolfman or lead that's for sexist right and so to be gender neutral, it's it's by form one of the alternatives. To they're saying. Polite term or half man half. Happy's. And it was it was. It was really fun and one of the things that led me to do it. Was the fact that that we are trying to read our vocabulary socially conscious it I kind of a little ahead of the curve I did not know how much vocabulary we would have to be changing watching in. So it was really fun to do it on paper and also. Need, just having to change the times or the other marshals because you don't WanNa see sexist and you don't WanNa be species. Any I guess theseus. Speech of yeah all right. It was it was very fun to have her go back and forth it is really fun to watch her. Change and adapt to the current times as a longtime reader. So that was super super enjoyable of it's kind of a silly question but I just wanted to know if you could have any of your character supernatural abilities such as vampirism shape shifting, reenacting, etc. What would you pick and why I wouldn't be a damn? I wouldn't be vampire because of Miss Daylight too much. and. I don't know I would miss sued. I speed able to me and and I hope to do more than on stage where neither can. Were Sean contaced through other people and we also haven't gotten to show that that Damien is also gained that ability through Through the annual end and Anita so I write about the fact that how much they miss you know food and drinking wine and things like that. So it had to be some shake shifter. I I. Don't know I I because I write so much available with annual in Mica and if I lived in a world where I wouldn't be ended down with guns because I changed the animal I would go with wear leopard if I had to adapt to animal that might possibly be not reported to the police ran around the neighborhood, it would be full years. Most people don't know the difference minute coyote wool. Most people down it's the closest I could come to into my environment quote unquote and we definitely have nothing that looks like a leopard around here. The you know we get an occasional cougar sightings and forty miles or so of me probably juvenile of Gwinnett looking zone territory but. So my head to blend, it would have to be wearable 'cause I would pretend there was a coyote but in the coyotes, right here we go. All Hell we're out of here. You smell that GONNA lead us. But if it was just I don't know. It would be weren't probably one of the Catholic anthropoids. There are not other the where rule. So there aren't a lot of dog basically cancerous. Will. Will. Because, we'll are are pretty much some kind of wool is the pinnacle of of Canine Creditor trail. and. You know every place you go in the world if they have hunted them to extinction, there is a lord predatory cap of some kind. So No. Eggs No. No well, that was clearly Scott's choice. Most of the La- can't mostly shifting to dogs is actually not a type of disease from the phone or that I can find it is not a Whit, some witches dogs, but that's rare lately two cats rabbits has gotten but dogs are usually inherited for the hanthropy are shape shifting and they are gardens like family guardians most of the dogs that I could go back to nas factor logs, totally different animal. condescended. They are more. Almost haunting and they also can be a family guardians over the centuries or they guard piece of road or whatever. Usually they're black with blazing eyes or something, and then of course, the wild hunt has the dogs the spectrum house that's more married Anita. So, you've been writing I needed for a long time. But before all of that, what's the first story you ever remember writing complete completed beginning to end maybe even even before that? Yes. Okay well, my first attempts at stories I was I tried to imitate a Louisa May, alcott little women little. They has. and. People go. The. Louise may offer surprised by that, and I say, well, she's the first woman that I read that. I found through dark in the library had supported for Entira family extended family and from her writing and just knowing that a woman in that time period could do that. Made me admire her even more I would not find out until decades later, the she actually wrote ghost stories and horror stories and made some of her money before the more homey stories took off a writing for pulp fiction magazines. So I look. So my early attempts were. Attempts like that. Very. Louise May alcott baby. Ireland that kind of thing, and then I walked into a drugstore versus store Combo near near my home whereas raised and they had on the little tern. Wire timetable where the paperbacks were. they had a short story Pacheco Pigeons from Hell. Robert E Howard short story by Robert Our creator Conan's which I'd never heard of at that time and it was first. Dark fantasy wrote fancy in horror. I ever read I was like thirteen fourteen it was the first outright that kind of dark stuff I never read, and from the moment I read those short stories I is a writer knew that not only did I want to be a writer for sure I wanted this I Hey I wanted to write I wouldn't rank four I wanted to write fostering. This is what I wanted to write and so before of team. So the euros fourteen I finished by for short story after reading this and I also found Edgar Allan Poe and lovecraft and. Andrea Norton for science fiction and. This was line gateway drug are gateway whatever to the genres, and so at fourteen finished first stories beginning to end it was it was completely were completely like almost splatter pump. It was. It was a family in a monster killed everybody. The only person survived was the baby kroll to the forest with implication would never be uninsured die. Era finished everyone died it was complete bloodbath and one of the best things that my my uncle. Uncle monk did for me is a is a writer in an artist. Is he read the story and he didn't want he didn't tell me I needed a psychiatrist. Pat Me on the head. So that's really good. Could have gone so much more pear-shaped you know. Do other parents that kind of story they go. Oh my God. What have we done? Wrong. But I love. My family just took it in stride and patted me on the Henson as. On an end because they didn't tell me, it was horrible. I was able to consider pursue in right the dark stories and. A horror straight horror for for years of I fifteen I'm raining vampire vampire story by and by seventeen I was submitting. Stories to professional publications to try to get them published and fat in for the Internet I was using writers, digest writers of in the writer to get addresses in things. To, send out and that helped teach me how to do professionally. I A wonderful teacher of. In. High School whose name I have now blanked on the love of God. Right. But she she. Library would get rid of magazines like for a penny a pop. When they were the throw them out while she got back copies of the Ryder and writer's Digest. She brought me an arm. Love. And that was how I learned what I needed to do professionally. Managers say that I realize as decades later, she may have meant for me to use them and bring the map or other students, but I didn't take. and. She didn't have the heart to ask for them back. Bless her heart. So either way you know really she she that's why I'm upset I can't I'm blanking on the name is A. I. Don't WanNa give the wrong name because that's I think I'm I'm I'm really bad. I'm only bad on names always have been a good on faces. On, remembering details a visit of face hair. If you change your here, I will not know you the next time I see. If you cut it too short if you cut short a wrote really long are colored differently or even a haircut that's too extreme for the last time I saw you. I will not know you until you introduce yourself to me Oh my Gosh Scott is feeling very seen. That's you guys have that same very, very much. that. Is. It's embarrassing. It's embarrassing especially somebody that he should know and they're talking to you and is somebody okay. I'm on the back of my books. So people will come up and talk to me that I really don't know right and and. talked me into of term I know I do this so Them for well because I don't know if I know them and they just changed their mirror. I love that a so great I love it. We're living in this strange pandemic. How has it affected your creativity and writing process? Will initially I just I finished sucker punch just before lockdown like a week we can happen for lockdown and so. I've been as the question for months doing the book, but I finally finished it enough to send to draft since New York. And then about a week later. So we were in lockdown we I ended this book while all the beginning the stuff is going on in this was before. The tragedy George Floyd this is before the protests. All says editing was done and it was a done deal for the year even weirder an awful. So The big on the editor was for my I think my editor in my in my managing editor probably had more of a problem in that because they could no longer be at their job into the publishing house 'cause close. They couldn't go they still can't go. And working from home working remotely. Thank. God for technology but for them I'm I'm pretty sure they had a hard time at least I was still in my office still where I normally work and they were on their own just isolated at home. They didn't have the staff they didn't have all the things around them that they normally do. So I would think the editing process was probably harder in weird on. On me after that. African has emails, people calling me texting me. So the got attention then I tried to go back to riding in that was when the news and everything else really muscled man I had trouble focusing. I had trouble hearing through you know I think we've all gone. We're all doing the grief process together where agree grieving what not just what's happening the news we're grieving what are ordinary lies were like and with her is good better indifferent. It is a change in changes perceived by most of us. In fact, we're all hardware that change equals grief that you that's what so many people will stay a massive. Change is actually sometimes more painful initially than a positive change. Our mind. So perceive it is is negative. There is on that One is any change in your environment back on our ancestors were were Helen around fire at night and short instead for than anything else to save them from the things that would eat them the change in your environment usually equal danger. So we're still hardwired as if you know the tires GonNa Jeff Out in. Even in Suburbia, and so any change kind of hits the visceral level. I had to make a rule rule is this I do not get on the Internet I do not get online I do not trust the news I do not. The only thing I'm allowed to check before I. Go to my desk is the weather. The weather. In because it messes with me, there's no way to look at these headlines and over these last few months and this down in get into a mindset to create there's just no way to do it. So I had to relieve eastern strict with myself ago. Have you made pages today than you cannot get online know took the news. You just can't a it's because it's twenty, four, seven, three, sixty, five I mean amid never stops thanks to the Internet. There's always news and thanks to six to or global news. There's always something wrong somewhere. It's it's insane, you. Can't touch a break even when things were normal, it's hard. But during this absolutely, not just just say stay off of the same way from it there's nothing I can do it doesn't. If I had a regular job, this support, my family, my job supports my entire Obama. As my for my daughter to go to college the whole thing if I had a regular job, I wouldn't get on the news and let that stop me from working the differences that if I had a regular job I probably go into see people I would have people asking me to do my job I would have customers I would have other people I would have other people to help me focus on the job at hand is lighter. Your office by yourself there's nothing but you to discipline yourself. There's nothing but you and your personal demons and your music to do get out, and if you bring in the outside world too much than it fuels the negative side, the point where there's no way we're past it. So yeah the big thing is that I've even gotten more off line. Is The book has come closer of you know I've gotten world twitter and started some threads. Asking about characters and stuff a survivor character thing because I am going to do more smaller novels. And it's interesting to see that the people that I had decided needed smalls. Their cells are the same people that fans are asking for and saying they would like to see them get more stage time which has been very fun. But yeah, that's the big thing. I really tried ivory tower myself. Once I step into my office even more than I normally do because otherwise it's very rare to create in and do my job. I is a writer on the weird thing about my job is that is that I take. I don't even know if it's just inspiration, but it's like is is a writer. You Soak a things around you and you never know what's going to hit you. Right or wrong or Burgundian or people were you writing is in your book's going will. Sit It's too soon I'm not a nonfiction writer I'm a fiction writer. So this year go in will perk the my subconscious I've got one short story idea that may come sooner in. If I do do that one, it will be directly from this year, but I got to let it. Through and make sure that I am is short story not just my emotional in paper his people are putting enough emotion out there I do not need to add. while I have something to kind of bring up the mood about your ivory tower. As you go your office, we love to visualize people's workspaces when they're creating what is your favorite item that you keep in your office in God one favorite. or or or or talk about just how how you how you build your office to surround yourself with things that inspire you and make you happy. We'll. Most for working is a good view. Eager Expansive Gray or I. You know I keep swearing. I'M GONNA. You know we we gone to the ocean and I've a couple of books with the oceans view and that's my favorite dude right to mountains. A good view having said that on days that I'm having trouble concentrating I have one computer. My may compete looks at wall because on days when my concentration is not good I can't even look outside and riot because I go Burr Oud. An world, there's I care not if the concentration is bad. If somebody walks past my view I'm thrown out of my book so. Any one blank wall. And then I won New Independent on my level concentration I will go back and forth I am blessed and I've worked really hard to have an office that I was able to help the architect design I had input on it. And I personally base my office on pictures of Roger Tory Peterson's. Or Studio I don't have a slate gout here but but I have skylights that have shades it can come and go up and down the mountain, which is Dallas. I have skylights this I like a lot of light everybody you know so many people may fans think I write in the dungeons, I like like, I'm. I'm a hawk I want to be on top of everything I. Want to end the best possible I want to seize many miles around I can I like to see people come in? And I want as much. Light is possible. That's really that's really a I. I'm kind of a light junkie when I create. Now, if the muses running good and horror I can write anywhere I really can but but to get into that mindset to slip into that mindset light do. I write really well around blue or green walls. and. That may be because the my childhood bedroom was pale-blue. So I, right. Well, around the collar that I was originally raised the first place I learned to read the first place. I wrote ever was blue blue walls, and so I really do pay attention to the color of my surroundings. I write better I tremendously better in a Pale Blue Room I I've lived in places rented we couldn't use color and it really does it really does impact me. So for me for me it is. It is I I need at least a blank wall interview if possible but. cluttering kind of person. Which means I like his Are I, like Erlich Cop Chalk Trust, Chomsky's. I. Like I like stones and crystals pretty things trending things. I'm a big fan of Likely Statues Stone Aminals so It is it is not a a niece process, Irish people that I know it's an all my stacks the only time I feel like I have to clean my office is when I look around stacks dust in I don't know what's in them. If lost traffic of insects this time to clean up the way I knew everything is don't touch my stuff. Love that's the litmus test. So this is I have to tell you. This is absolutely hilarious because you and Scott are sounding like the same person more with like everything you say like it is so funny you guys are cut from the same cloth. Well, you know I take take a compliment. We we. I don't know maybe it is. You know we don't faces while we know faces that he changed the outer appearance you know there actually the more studies I do in how how mine truly works Neuro Neuroscience I actually am beginning to believe that certain characteristics like that. Really do go together well, and obviously you guys are my type of people because I adore you both. So this is perfect. Will you know we are going to go ahead and let you go but thank you so much for joining us. We are humbled has been an absolute honor Oh so much. Thank you so much. So Much Scott it has been really fun. To to be on with you and. In just just talk and share. The view. This wonderful. Technology Park. Welcome to the spoiler section who, okay let's get into this book I'm. I'm excited because I had a lot of fun with it. I have a lot of things to say about it too. That sounds ominous. It's not ominous at all. You know when being dropped in the middle of a series like this. You know not having had conversations about a for what twenty years yeah I. You know I feel like there's so much stuff that I have to like get off my chest in disgust with people. You've got to go through that for so long. I haven't. Yeah. I've had a lot of friends that read these books and and we've talked about them over the years and yeah no, it's very true. Well I I. Don't know I. Feel like I should let you start. Well. Okay. First of all I. Love Anita Blake. I was not expecting her to be the I don't I. Don't know what I was expecting with her honestly maybe you had no expectations maybe that's was good I didn't really have expectations. I guess like I said reading through some of the wikipedia things I feel like it was a mistake i. had this I had this image in my head of this this image that I had was. Know a shallow bad, ass. Maybe a little bit vapid but strong character. That's the way that it Kinda made her sound. Oh No. That is not what she is. She is now readily smart, incredibly vulnerable but just absolutely so good at her job she's a complete complete bad ass, and she is good at her job and she's good at working the cases and all that cool stuff that you want in this kind detective eat you know sort of novel? and. She's just an absolute bad, ass very capable and now she has all of these enhanced Cana supernatural abilities to which just makes her character even richer as the years have gone on. I appreciate that twenty seven books in she still able to introduce a A moral dilemma. There's a lot like this book twenty seven. Books in. Introducing New Lord to the world new questions on how things work as well as introducing new moral quandaries to Anita and where she has to ask herself she doing the right thing absolutely because we have this whole issue with the warrant of execution and you know how she and Newman, and everybody you're supposed to handle this. And that's I mean it's it's kind of some stuff that's uncharted territory and Anita talks about that in here and is speaking on keeping it fresh to we brought this up in the interview and I really really applaud her for putting in. Some nods to mental health the importance of mental health with the characters in this book, the males and the females alike, the the tough bad ass people you know being like hey. It's okay to have feelings and to have to work through things really cool where all about normalizing mental health and it's really nice to see that Anita is still in therapy and the still working on herself to the writing is incredibly emotionally mature. The characters are not necessarily emotionally mature share by is approached from a from a from a level where the author is clearly very experienced in in navigating some of these these. Questions in these emotions. Yeah, and I think that's you know that's okay that we're feeling things with her and you know, Kinda going through all all those motions with her makes her very relatable I've forgotten how much I love the woman for the amount of cursing I feel so seen. So see because we all know that I curse just very naturally. It's not be trying to sound any sort of way I'm just. A salty old sailor and Sosa Nita and isn't it good news that they're swearing in the interview so that this is an explicit episode and you can say whatever you want. Yes, I love it. I. Love It. So I want talk all of the characters that are in this book because that is the one thing that there is a little bit of me feeling a little over my head I I, definitely felt for Duke because. Okay. So obviously, Duke is not a series regular. There's some other characters in here that that aren't part of the series. So so here's this this sheriff and he has a basically a murder suspect who is supposed to be executed. He can't do it. So you know the call on the marshals and then the marshal calls in another Marshall who calls in somebody else and eventually there's just this this clown car of where animals entering this town like all of a sudden the population has tripled because all of her friends that have showed up to help her out well, the collision boy yet. I'm being a little funny about it made sense and it was a lot of fun to introduce all the different all that different character dynamic. It's an especially important when it gets to the point when she's you know communicating with Olaf. About her sexual desires with a lot of her other partners I wanna talk about that scene. My point is there was a lot of there was a lot of introduction of characters that I wanted to know more about and I feel I did not feel any emotional attachment to because they didn't have a lot to do well, not in this burke began. That's kind of like I think the idea and I hope the idea is that they caught your attention and you want to know more they were just. They had something to do in this story, but they like a lot of the. Characters Anita's life are not a huge part of this particular story to be told I. Appreciate. Something that Laurel said in our interview about the cares wanting to be on stage and her basically having to tell him no, tell me no, this is not your time. There's not enough room in the car. There's so many points in this book as soon as she said, I realized where they have to be driving A. Car Only, so many people can fit in the car or duke says, Hey, they do not have badges they are not police they cannot be involved in this investigation. They can't be in this scene and I thought that was really smart. It was almost late in hindsight very funny. It's almost like Duke was helping her control, all these characters and their Luke Duke is an interesting. He is a bit of a bigot. But at the same time, a was able to have empathy for him which I appreciate. This is a really cool way that she wrote him like that I, like to Duke a lot because there are definitely a lot of points when you just really dislike him. Off So bad. But I actually do believe just like Anita kind of suspected that we not seeing him on his best day I think so too and that's always important and an exercise in compassion for us all. About the situations we meet people in. So I do kind of like I, want to kind of jump to that like a little bit of the relationship stuff. So off is one of my favorite characters in this series another sociopath sociopath, he's not he's not dead but I. Know Edward Ed. Ted Yeah you know you're in the spoiler section. So you know what we're talking about but. He is fascinating and I love that he is a fan favorite because I mean I. He's so bad and problematic and not a good person, and now he's also part lion. But I find him on ending Lee Fascinating and I just love reading the books where he shows up in it but I mean for girl like me that's not too surprising. But I love that all these other fans are like more of and she's like, okay. It's interesting to me the way that he was introduced in this book because I really disliked him from the very beginning and I was your of him from the very beginning, oh. Yeah and I still don't know how I feel about where I feel like their relationship is going because he seems even though he's trying so hard and apparently his word truly is that good yes he's so. I don't WanNa say evil because the the hard part about him is because he does not have the capability of having those like seeing the moral the he doesn't have empathy for other people. He doesn't have that capability so I. Of Not really a term that fits him. Here's the thing is sometimes sometimes in books, children sometimes in books, people, characters, situations are problematic. They're weird they're troubling. There's something that you would not engage in or promote in real life and everybody has to find their comfort level with characters and plots in situations like that for me I know all those things about Olaf and I still really adore reading about the character and I'm just kinda strapped in and down for the ride of wherever it takes us but it's Important to remember is sometimes you have to suspend the disbelief certain and and enjoy the ride, and just because there is a lot of like in this novels a great example, there's a lot of wonderful high points of morality and ethics doesn't mean that everything has to be perfectly clean cut. Am I making sounds like with what I'm saying I do relationships emotions are messy. Yeah and nothing is perfect and he is far from perfect. He is very, very far from perfect but is Magnetic. He's interesting Oh definitely, and attraction is obvious and now we have this side to his character since he's become a lion where he has something that he can give a Nieta that is beneficial and that doesn't mean that like all the sudden it's like, wow, all off all your sins are forgiven like and I don't think that anybody has painted it. That way everybody is really aware of how problematic he is. But again, this is not a situation that anybody's ever going to run into in real life. So it's okay. It's okay to have a little bit of of time with it and enjoy the journey at the ending of the book when it's clear that he is he's killed Jocelyn. I. Oh well, okay. He he does care about something. He does actually have a sense of justice and then I mean like kind of thought about it was like, well, no he. He's just kind of like a house cat bringing the mouse that they just killed their. To their to their person's feet like, Hey, I did this for you. Just like he has his you know they've imposed these sets of rules on him for who he can kill in staff. This is one of those cases where he kind of goes out on a high note for you because everybody loves a little step of vigilante justice when we know that somebody really really done wrong and Oh my God I was seething at Jocelyn I was seething at that character and I was look. Good somebody needs to take her out and thank God I love. Let's. Jump into a little bit of the relationships staff. So this book was not as heavy on the sexy erotic times as some of the other ones where there's a lot of sensuality in this book, which sometimes her are more about the sensuality than like. depictions of people actually having sex So you know that I. Guess We all know that you're the spoiler section. So there is more graphic sex and some of the other books. Yes. Okay. For sure. So that scene in the hotel room was. Like my favorite scene in the book. It was at times. Funny. It was at times intense. It was just it was all over the place in the best possible way a need is absolute humiliation. But like it not in a way where you felt anybody was like bullying or berating her. Ordering her and her inner dialogue was just completely like kill me. Like. It was so such a great example of all of that stuff in her writing playing off of each other. It's a balancing act because they're all talking about her in a way almost like she's not there but they're doing it to support her. This is a conversation that that she needs to be having that that they need to be having and she has the support group around her who know her and are helping her have that conversation that she is. Way Too uncomfortable to be having in that moments. That's it exactly, and these are all people that love her and care about her and a get into talking about kink a little bit because that is a part of the books as she probably picked up at a part of rata is Kinda like a little bit kinky be DSM type of stuff which is much more interesting than just to Hetero characters boringly going at it. I mean any of the League I Love I love the them trying to define vanilla. Oh. My God. I don't I, don't know if you know what my version of vanilla sex is. So we should probably define that tall my gosh. Perfect and kind of not even on the sex side. There was a part that I highlighted that just really touched me and it's when she's near the beginning of the book and she says I was marrying John Claude and Mica was married Nathaniel. They would be my intended forever and I would be there as we would intend to marry one indefinitely while we waited for the law to catch up with our hearts. And is like. Sue Sweet, and there's lots of depictions of how her poly group and her her people, how much they love and care for each other and it's just really it's just really really sweet. So I I have had some experience with poly-amorous people. We do not yet Paul em and I think that the idea of that is is the idea that when it's pure and win, it's and win. It's practiced is actually very beautiful and and is a wonderful thing for a lot of people not for me. I mean. Yeah and that's because everybody's different. Yes. But when it's done right when it's done honestly and truthfully it's beautiful. It really is well, of course it's I think that's exactly what she's trying to say it's just like monogamy is you know it's a beautiful thing. And It makes these characters a lot more interesting and it makes. The stakes a lot higher in some cases because there is multiple hearts and feelings involved So that's really really interesting stuff too. So there's some great like I mentioned the candidate vigilante thing. There's some great stuff where she talks about and I highlighted them you know with like people not getting their justice not getting you know served how they needed to be and I appreciated that it's a little bit of Canada a real world check in at points to not just makes all of those you know makes you feel much more passionate for Anita and everybody trying to do the. Right, thing, by Bobby Yeah, we've talked a lot of a lot about the relationships the plot itself is really exciting I. I was I was left guessing the entire time and not and not because it was too. It's like I definitely had some guesses and I don't know about three quarters of the way through I. Felt I guessed right on who was involved we we had a little conversation. You had a little conversation we were definitely on the same page. With Canada cracking this mystery and that's I mean that's not because it's a poorly written mystery. It's just gone. I have read so much mystery in our lives that were good at sloughing out clues and motivations was it was a good Mr gots a sign in my opinion of a good mystery. If you if you are able you, you don't necessarily have to. But if you're able to put the pieces together before the reveal I, think that that is a satisfying mystery. Crafted yes. Exactly and with like then leaving clues for us in the detectives to solve along with each other. And that's yeah. No, that's important because they have to be written in such a way that they're subtle or you know you catch somebody lying or whatever the situation is, and you know when Rico was just so sullen and really just like he was involved when when the aunts and uncle broke into the house, they called him to see if there was a deer up in the tree and he probably looked and saw that it was there and hit it. You know I was like some things up with that dude yeah. There was some there was stuff about him from the beginning that raises your hackles a little bit and it just Kinda keeps your going and going and going. We kinda talked about it just a second ago. I do want to circle back around to it. The justice for Bobby and bobby as a character just being someone that you feel a lot of sympathy for and that was I mean it was hard. It was hard summit to read some of the stuff he was going through. Wasn't it was a little it was heart wrenching. It was I really wanted bobby survive I was I was terrified for. Him I was sad for him because he was just so heartbroken his range of emotions when when you know at first, he thought it was him and then he started believe it wasn't him but he was still just. So desperately afraid that he was going to die will and he's the he's the only shifter around for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and everybody knows that he's a you know that he's Leopard and everything and. There's something about that. That's like makes you feel already compassion for him because he's an outsider. And that he is living in this small town and in this area where everybody knows everybody and everybody's in each other's business and he how's this thing about him? That makes him really different from everyone else and it's something it's something he can't control. It's something that just is who he is. I was kind of torn on how I felt the way that his family even treated him. Outside of you know. Well now, Jocelyn was working him for years. Yeah. But the way he was kind of treated like a house cat will he even says in the pictures I look like the Family Dog, right? Yeah he's he wasn't. Like. He was never. Fully fully into it because I don't know like I don't question it all that his uncle ray loved him dearly and did this and did the best that he could and you know maybe that's the best way to embrace the leper that's inside of him as is when the Leopard is forward is that's the best way knew how to treat. Yeah. To treat him as as family no excuse for Jocelyn she's not included in this conversation, but something about that just seemed sad. Yeah. Yeah you feel pity you feel empathy we feel you feel sad. You know his leopard. Well, it quote unquote not that powerful his lippard is a strong beautiful creature that's been reduced to a house cat. It is something about that. Just made me feel very sad for him. He was just never able to be fully strong. Yeah. To be fully himself and I mean obviously that can be applied to I think a lot of people have felt that way about many different aspects of themselves in their family life and I think that people could really see themselves in that character that kind of being ostracized. And especially, you know it's like we all know from the beginning as the reader we know that bobby didn't do this. We know it did anyway I was like totally did not do this I was I felt pretty sure but I was not I was not not expecting a twist where he was really behind it all I was thinking there's a possibility that this could be him and Jocelyn together and he just got it kind of got swept up in it somehow but then again, he was the one who is caught so I felt like Y-. The red herring kind of he wouldn't. He wouldn't have been able to rely on Newman being the out now, the Marshall that's assigned to them I just came across this one highlight that I had that I love so much and it's Anita's inner dialogue that said, I was not less just because you could out lift me in the weight room. We all had our strengths and weaknesses. Some people could do the math for astrophysics other people could drive. A stick shift no one person could do it all I love that there's a lot of that kind of vibe and hear about you know Cana being you and embracing you and like what your strengths are and stuff i. love that I love that kind of that kind of vibe and that was a perfect quote for it. She may not be able to do anything, but she can certainly beat the shit out of a wear leopard that says was so. Chance to subdue bobby. Yeah. Of course, it was horrible for Bobby and I was afraid he may have been dead for a while there. But so was she the imagery of him changing and her just just wailing on him even Duke says it's got a hell of a haymaker something along those lines. Yeah. No she can definitely, she has a lot of physical hand to hand combat training that's a ground throughout the books. So can I ask kind of a fun question kind of the floral as well? Oh, I know exactly what's coming go for it if you could be. A supernatural creature in this world for what you know of them right now and I know you don't know everything but would you want to be a vampire some sort of a shape shifter and of so what animal a animator? What are you think? So it's a little bit hard because I really haven't been introduced to the vampires in this world. They're they're very late Jean Claude is the king. They're very kind of like area hierarchy. Yeah I, definitely get. Just, say Yeah I get the impression that it's very much like the camera in the world of Darkness Sha. Yes. Ansa said a good similarly and that's the case I actually don't want to be a vampire because there's a whole lot about stabbing chickens. Yeah. Vampires come with politicking. Everybody always forgets that they want the funds sexy romantic. Children of the night vibe in it's like you know you're GonNa have to politic here. So I would have to be aware octopus. Stop I don't know if they exist but that's me. I would just go out to the ocean every full moon and just go swim around and catch fish and collect coconut shells and then. Well. You know. Let you gave me an honest answer. I can't fault you for that. Be a great where octopus. Great and I don't know maybe some will I mean you're not out of the politics could still end up as somebody's animal to call you know. But what are they going to have? You do slow you might they might have you steal things because octopuses are very sneaky. Now that's that's just analyst. At certain grief it's. Just an idea. Who says if I was aware octopus that I would have to be part of the coalition or they might. They might Cana Maki. Roll you if that's the case I, probably would like to be like Edward. Prior. To the end of this book I think I would just like to be a bad ass human. I feel you on that I would have no problem being yeah. Is that is that one of the creatures of this book a sociopath because there's a lot of them. For. True. Yeah. No. I would definitely be kind of a bad as human I. Think would be my preference as well. I've always loved the idea of the animators stuff and you know that goes into some epic places and some other books. But considering I'm you know like a vegetarian I'm not going to be sacrificing an animal every time I need to raise the dead. So that's like straight out for me. Unfortunately, I speaking of epic stuff. Apparently, there's a book where she raises a Zombie Army I wanna read that one absolutely a deal. But I mean of course I. Love Cats I. Love Shaped Shifter's I love like and terms of all strokes. So I would be down to be any sort of liken throat because I'm all about that life Pity Ya, I think. I. JUST WANNA kill bad people with Edward. 'cause love him. Well, I guess it's time to say good night good night. Yes. Sir. It is I I will say I think a lot of people who are listening to this section already love and adore these books. I would think so I I, just WANNA say at least with this one I'm with you now I get you now I understand you get this worldwide millions of copy sold phenomena. It's a lot of fun and it's also really meaningful and powerful it is and You know I kind of outlined it a little bit earlier. But I, of course, want to end on a little bit of a sappy note. You know that I just really appreciate the character of Anita and what? Laurel K Hamilton has done with that I'm the type of girl who speaks her mind and I mean I am very polite and I'm very considered of people's emotions Lisa try to be but you know I've been definitely called a ball buster bitch all all that stuff so many times and I don't mind because if that means I'm on the same caliber as Anita, then she sister will take it. All right, everybody. Obviously, we love this book. I don't think we're going to give it a star rating because it's a little little different than our normal flavors since it's part of a series like this but we obviously bolt had a tremendous time reading this book. Thank you Laurel for being on the show. Thank you for writing Sucker Punch. Fantastic read goodnight Scott good night Sandra. Please keep reading pasture bedtime. So Sandra was so nervous to talk to Laurel K Hamilton. She was so nervous. So I get nervous before every single interview and Sandra is so professional and so calm and she teases me. Nervous Bene- thing she gets nervous about nothing and Sandra was just so nervous to talk to her and I think I would be curious to hear why specifically. I think for me it's just because I've been reading these books for so long and I've been invested in the characters and in the world I don't want to not be anymore and if this author that I've been reading since I was a teenager. Was Mean Rude to? flippant not that any author has ever ever been that way that I've met on this show in verson every author I've ever met has been fricken lovely and at least professional if not warm and fuzzy, which most of them are just warm and fuzzy lovely to talk to. But I was worried that like what if she's awful and I have to throw in the towel of this? Incredible. Investment of. Books and characters emotional investment, not financial of since I, I mean for like twenty years or whatever. Okay. Not Quite twenty years that I've been reading the bugs but damn near you know and I was like what if I have to throw in that Tau because if somebody is awful I? mean. To me I would never wanna read their books again I'd be like, fuck you you know. And so it was like Oh God don't be a bad person that I have to give up now because I don't WanNa give it up. Give it up. It's so funny because you're right. Every author we've talked to has been wonderful and lovely. I in fact, this this this show in my mind has kind of evolved over time to be a celebration of the author's so much because I have fallen in love with authors so much I'm so fascinated and delighted by what they do and I'm so excited to to learn about them and and hear about them and talk to them. But This is kind of the first time where it someone that we that that one of us has. So. Much history with right like it's you know again, this is authors that I've been reading a long time are it's not a huge list. It's you know been reading her books for a long time been reading Stephen King and Rice for very very long time. At this point, I've been reading Joe Hill for a long time. You know it's it's not a huge huge list of authors an especially one that reaches this far back into my teens like that. It's like heart don't fuck this up. Don't fuck this up and make me have to throw out this. Characters and I didn't think that Laurel K Hamilton repeat lake that I really didn't. But you know it's like the stakes were high that I didn't want to be let down and I wasn't.
The Stand The Walk
"The hey everybody sustain hello and welcome back to buyers and this is marginal and i don't have a good joke because i use them all in our showgirls out of my movies terrible. So like if you if you wanna see lilith diane me charlie and phil podcast about the nineteen ninety-five movie showgirls You can do that on capes lunatics after dark entailing his half-naked that manila's half naked. And i wish. I was there and restrained. You're gorgeous. You were in the purple boost. Jay i was. I was so if you'd like steaming. Purple boost you have to pay five dollars and if you want to see. Charlie's talk you have to pay twenty god all right. Yeah for ten. What was that what we get for you. Get in a black dress with my bra straps. Speaking out i'm the compromise candidate sold right so we are podcasting the stand episode seven of the wok. Yeah it's my turn to go first. This time i think it is so i gave it four last will and testaments out of five. Well you rated at much higher than last did it was better than last week's i still had some issues with it but it was better than the last weeks. I really liked to this episode. This so far is the one. I rated like the slightly the most. I think the my one of mine was four point two. This one's a four point. Two five broken legs has and we had two broken legs shoe broken legs and two ways out will broken leg. And i'm gonna talk a little more about those broken legs and are rotting potpourri because it was interesting me. Okay so you know. Again there is a dearth of numbers about the stand. I still could not find any information about the budgets This did have a six point. Six on i m d be six point six out of ten so again. It's not fantastically rated. It's not awful. Yeah i i think it's. It's it's fairly solid. It's way way better than like the first two or three episodes. So you know. It's really funny because i have not liked this as much leader into it as i did in the early episodes but i liked this episode while enough. It's still funny. How my has gone up. Yours have gone. Damn right. i would say this one's fairly high comparable to my early ratings. I am going to tell you that. I'm wondering if my ratings have not decreased. Because i reread the book you know. It's quite possible. And i think i probably would have rated higher. Had i never watched the nineteen ninety-four version and look absolutely love. The one thousand nine hundred had you never had you never really watched Actually i didn't start watching it until we watched the first couple of episodes okay And so i. If i had not been a biggest fan like i didn't just watch it like ninety four or two thousand or whenever the first time i watched it and ninety four when it was on tv But like i have since watched it again and again and again over the years and you know loved it every time. So i think if i wasn't such a big fan of the ninety four version i think i would have liked this version better but i think probably the in order. It goes this version the ninety four version and then probably the book. You know like you have read the book. No i haven't listened to that arc either know the book is always better air monologues and right i dunno my imagination is just way more all encompassing than you could ever get on screen so so i don't know when i'm gonna find time to watch the ninety four version because we've got dead and then fear the walking dead coming back but it's definitely on my radar you know. I thought we only had two more episodes after this episode And it turns out we have three episodes. No we've got all. I guess we do your no known. We've got eight or nine Yeah we've just got eight and nine so eight is what would have been. The original. Ending and nine is the new ending written by stephen king for this series. Okay yeah we've only got two more episodes of the stand but it's gonna kind of conflict a little bit with ten c one guy. I thought our next episode was our last episode. I yeah see one actually premiered for amc plus tonight's mirrors on amc next weekend right right. So i mean. I think we'll probably podcast next weekend. And maybe do a to for but i think we'll probably have to do like probably kind of doing this week. Where we're doing a saturday sunday monday. Podcast with on Not sure kim up for three podcasts. We may have to do the walking dead on the stand and then real housewives. Okay yeah. I don't know we'll talk about it more. But anyway so yeah. I didn't really have anything new in terms of numbers the title. I don't really have anything. Fancy i mean. It's called the walk. And i feel like obviously it refers to you the journey that is undertaken by our foursome in this episode. Right little. oh go ahead. Maybe a little bit of nadine walking into the desert kind of one person and walking out another no. We'll talk more about that. Okay i do want to say that. The walk is fairly consistent fairly with what is what happens in book. I'm not sure if it's consistent with what happens in the suit in the ninety four series with a few minor exceptions yes okay Yeah anyway. I don't have anything. Great say about the title beyond that Are writer is owen. King stephen king's son. And we've talked about owen before. So i'm not going to belabor that our director is a guy name vincenzo or vincennes senzo. Holly he's actually super prolific. He's got thirty. Director credits This and next week's episode of the stand also. He directed episode eight. You're gonna recognize him for westworld. Oh yeah yeah. I record and orphan black. I didn't recognize him but it was like. Oh okay so. He directed the season of an episode of american gods He has also directed for the lost in space. Reboots hannibal an episode of luke cage an episode of return and episode of hemlock grove. He actually has a total of thirty director credits. So he's done quite a bed. And i think i have seen just about everything. He has ever directed. He's got a little bit of a dark streak. Which i'm good with if you are a fan of poorer. I highly recommend nineteen ninety-seven cube. It is a great great psychological thriller. Movie tell me a little bit about that because part of me was like Maybe i've seen that. And then i didn't look any further so basically the just random people wake up in these cube like cells okay. Each part of the cube has a door on it and so they start kind of going through the doors. All the doors are closed but unlocked and so all start. You know moving their way and they find each other. And there's nothing linking these people you have like one guy who like a former bank robber. You have an autistic guy. You have a teacher. You have lake. You know just a random businessmen like there's none of them can really remember much of their life before other than like a general kind of who they were and none of them know how they got there or why they're there and they have to find their way out and then they suddenly realize that some of the rooms that they are trying to get through our booby-trapped man. That sounds super familiar. I don't think i've watched it. But it sounds super familiar. Amazing the Sequel and the third. I think there's a. I think there's just a third in the series i don't think are nearly as good but the first one is amazing But he's also done a psi factor Chronicles of the paranormal. He directed an episode of fat earth final conflict. That was a pretty good series back in the day Splice dark net. Hamlet grove ascension. The return orphan black like he has an amazing amazing Resume when it comes to Horror psychological thrillers action Yeah i totally need to watch. Hemlock grove the axe watch it and really liked it and actually one of my friends like who is truly a real friend really loved it so i need to watch it. It's just you know we talk about this all the time but they're so much to watch and it seems like the list gets longer. It never gets shorter. So i will tell you. I really liked season. One of hemlock grove. I dropped down about halfway through season. they kind of switch up a very main character. And it kinda lost me at that point. And it's nothing against the Actor/actress i'm not gonna say who Who replace the person but it just like. It was already such as farfetched story that i was just like now i i got better things to do with my time and sometimes it can be super hard to have someone that you really like get replaced by somebody else right right so i think his art department credits are also really interesting to Beetlejuice tv series. Which i'm going to guess at the animated series which was okay. That was way back in one thousand nine hundred ninety one when i was a we one shot off. I'm only five foot so like kind of always been a we one might. He also did Story board artist for johnny pneumonic which chest we watched that the other day and i know that we talked about that. A little bit on On tapes lunatics. After dark this weekend such a good movie and the stories were so great. It's actually from a series of stories called burning chrome by william k gibson. That's all like cyberpunk staff and that hangup was so good. The reason why. I re watched it recently is we've been binging. The tv shows and movies related to the cyberpunk universe. Fred okay Because cyberpunk came out the other half has played through at like six times. He loves it. I know got really crappy reviews and people ripped apart and eventually took it off out of the store and you know have refunded everybody money but oh my goodness the other half has been very very happy with it. the there are certain platforms they didn't jive well with the game. And so if you were playing in on you know. I think it was a ps four or something like it was very glitchy and so everyone's like wasn't ready to be released even though it's been seven years in the making or something But yeah it's it's bs it was it. It's actually like i'm not a big gamer. And like it looked interesting to me like i kind of want to create a character in play. Ain't nobody got time for that. I got too much crap a work and take care of dogs too much podcasting to do just not enough hours in the day. you know. i'm kind of place right now. I've got enough hours in the day. Because i got a dictation system at work and my my my work is actually going a little bit faster. And i'm okay. I'm okay. I feel guilty about trying to take something something on new essentially something. That's not productive like playing a video game like i got trim to paint. I got toilets to install. I got flooring to put it. Like i have all always things building up and so like anytime like i'm not doing one of those things i'm just i feel guilty about it like i did a lot today but none of those things you know. I did a bunch of cleaning yesterday and i basically just completely I'm not going to use the version screwed off today. All of the outside of the house errands for the week and i also went and rescued my fig tree from my and i were talking about how that took up a lot of my day and then i watched this twice. And i watched a promising young woman which. I'm really hoping that we will podcast about which i totally need to watch. And we'll talk about Unfortunately it is not like cheam rentable. Harvey tower is twenty dollars each steve fabulous yet. Look seizing so. I'm totally down. Even though i'm not down with spending the twenty bucks. I'm totally down. Hey i told you. I'd give you my prime log ins and it doesn't matter it's still twenty bucks. No but i've already rented so you will be able to watching my rental. I take you up on that. You have forty eight hours. August while i'm actually gonna watch china tomorrow morning so okay may take you up on that. I'll give you my logging off because every needs my air. That's hopefully areas all right so are featured cast. We have decided is alexander skarsgard. Who plays randall. Flagg and i did. A terrible job researching him. That sounds like you didn't do much better. He is difficult to research irene. You've got some articles out there you got. Imdb you've got wikipedia but he does not have a social media account if you come across or an instagram or facebook page. It is a fan page So it. All of his co stars of confirmed he is not on social media asked crash shocking. He actually just recently let it leak and i think it was Variety magazine did an interview and he does have a secret personal instagram. That is not public so just family and friends and i'm sure it's probably under a pseudonym you know and he doesn't post pictures of. Oh so he didn't like what it was just confirmed that he has it. Yes okay so at like at this came about like a year or so ago when You know the singer lord yeah. Apparently she's got a secret instagram account. Where she reviews onion rings a awesome like she is a huge fan of onion rings in so she she tries them. She takes a picture of them. She rates and reviews onion rings on instagram. That is an awesome. I don't know how somebody discovered this but she confirmed that it is her instagram. And so somehow somebody found out that alexander skarsgard does have a personal instagram account. But he it like nobody knows the name. Nobody knows like the profile picture. Nothing so If you see social media account for alexander skarsgard eight is not really him. It's a fan page interesting. Yeah okay. So i'm gonna be straight up and say hi really recognize him from anything. Because i had watched a couple of episodes true blood. But it was never my thing like laurel k hamilton. Is my thing sickie. Stackhouse is not my thing. So would you be shocked to learn that. I have actually read all of the charlene harris true blood books i in fact would so i go on a book bench. I go on a book bench. And saying like i try and shoes. Things where like the entire series. Is i think when i started reading them. There was a few stragglers that i had to wait for towards the end. 'cause she the universe like in multitudes and i probably haven't re read the last couple i have read probably at least a dozen charlene harris books so i was very very excited. When tru bled it first premiered season one follows the first book almost line for line until the very last episode when they kill off a character from the book that they continued on in the series. And it's your favorite character Yeah who would that been. Lafayette lafayette yet. And i mean that's no big secret. I mean it was made a big deal of that. He wasn't killed off in the series because he was such a fan favorite great character. Isn't that actor past. Yes he did. Sound was filming. He was off the current the current as in last season of elementary And he passed while filming. So sal do we know yet. What the cause was. I think it was substance related. And i don't know if it was like an accidental or intentional but it was substance related But alexander skarsgard played. Eric north men in true blood. And that's where. I think that i probably recognize him. The most of course sure but do you know where he got his american start because he was acting in sweden from the time he was eight years old. No please tell me. his first. American movie was zoo. Lander okay. I saw that he had zealander as a credit. And i was like really. He played one of the the male models. That was derek roommates. He played meekness to funding. Now i have to make up. I may have to go back and watch zealander just to see that. I could probably send you a youtube video of the gas fight and you would recognize him immediately. Oh my god. That is hilarious. Okay please send me because super funny. So when he was he started acting his father's an actor in sweden. Right and you'll skarsgard ryan or selling is his dad's dylan stumbling and then bill must be his brother. Yes okay so. There are several scars guards that currently act His father of course got his start in sweden and his mother is a doctor and they raised their children. Vary not the very middle class They like they don't want their children to like have the trappings of the children of a movie star But he got the acting bug early and he acted from the time he was eight to the time he was sixteen appearing in various Tv shows and movies and commercials in sweden But at sixteen he kind of like lost his his love of acting and I believe that he studied some sort of medicine. If i was reading that right interesting. Yeah he has physician mother Kind of inspired him to to sort of start pursuing an act a career in outside of acting and then he was conscripted to the swiss military at nineteen They they have a A compulsory military service there and he kind of got caught the acting bug again. He contemplated kind of what he wanted to do. With his life and He moved to new york and he enrolled in marymount manhattan college to study theatre but after six months in new york a romantic entanglement lured him back. That will always miss you up of court leaf. Fortunately for us the relationship was short lived and so broken heartedly. He moved back to the stakes testing where he found himself. A an eighth agent and a part in ben stiller movie which i hate to say it. I mean i meant hit or miss with ben stiller as i am with like will ferrell but inter is definitely one of my favorites. It's a guilty pleasure like show. But i will watch the movie anytime it's on. I'm totally hit. Or miss with ben stiller but i love that movie. It's awful. they're break into and so he actually dabbled a little bit in Directing and he won an award for a short. And i'm not even gonna try and say the swedish name of it. The english translation is to kill a child. It was disturbing it. Yeah yeah it does. He has a tendency to play. Dark characters So that that's actually not very surprising that he would co direct dark short film So shown both the tribeca and the cans film festival I don't know where you might get a hold of a copy of it now unless it's on youtube so one of the major things that i know him from. I realized that. I actually have not seen a lot of what he has been in. But the things that i have seen him in our are the really big ones drew blood. Of course he was in the movie battleship which i do not recognizable i saw. I saw i struggle with john travolta in the same way that i struggle with tom cruise. The whole scientology thing has just ruined. Oh no no. You're thinking of thinking of battleships earth. Yes no no and battleship was not even like as interesting it was based on the actual board game battleship as in. You sank my battleship. That aliens or the names. They put this lake impenetrable dome kind of around hawaii and that the naval ships have to figure out how to like. Kill the aliens before the my god. It sounds awful. Sounds i and it's too sad because it's got alexander skarsgard and taylor kitsch. Who is amazingly adorable. And i think we've talked about him before a little bit and it's got riana in it. Frigging riana gin. You oughta as ing. God all you have to do is say cheers drink to that. I'm down with it right. But one of my absolute favorite shows. I cannot wait until the next season comes. Back is big little lies okay so he actually won a golden globe for that yes and if you have never seen big little lies i highly highly recommended. How have hbo. It is h. b. o. I have hbo. I should watch it. This subject matter is very very triggering there is. I have no triggers left. I know mess i have. I feel obligated to warn the audience. That there is Okay i have to ask. Is there rape yes there. Okay that is like the one trigger. That i have remaining like. I don't have very many triggers left. But that is definitely a trigger. And there is a very focused storyline round. Spousal abuse That may be a trigger of rape is definitely rigor yup yup very very heavy subject matter and of course alexander skarsgard plays a really bad guy late at. He plays it so well he nicole kidman are married on the show and they're mazing together but i mean you learn right off that he is not a good guy. So well so yeah. He's kind of playing to type. Yeah yeah he definitely has he. He and i think he typecast himself. I think he really likes playing these roles. Look i totally get dwelling in darkness. I totally get that. I understand that so he has something in post production. Which i thought was interesting because in true blood he plays eric norseman who has made a vampire when he was a viking. So he's like a thousand year old vampire and in post production. He has a movie coming up called the north men. And i'm like a cool. It's an adventure drama. History saidan iceland at the turn of the tenth century and nordic prince sets out on his mission of revenge after his father is murdered which is pretty much. The story line of eric north men in true blood. I don't think he gets turned into a vampire in this. But it's pretty much the same story he is. He's a viking and his family is murdered and he eventually does get revenge on the guy who doesn't only thousand years later who obviously also vampire. But it's got alexander skarsgard. Nicole kidman ethan. Hawke and willem dafoe only got its buick like down the list. She's there bjork. Oh my god she plays the slave winch now so i have to ask you not having watched true blood. Is that a character from true blood which yeah His family had slaves because he took his liberties with them so no. It's not so so. Yeah he is the youngest of s- sorry he is the eldest of six and like i said Most of his family acts right before we started podcasting. I was trying to find out if he was married or not. And he's been linked to a few actresses but and he has some kids but ladies. It looks like he's we don't know that he also has a secret instagram facebook. Not instagram of yeah instagram. You know who knows yeah he. He's just one of those that really unless he is acting. He stays out of the spotlight. You won't find him. You know partying or clubbing or getting into trouble or anything like that. He seems to be a very down to earth. Guy he has is. He's the five time sexiest man. Alive and sweden only five well. He's only one if you scream awards for two blood. So oh my god like there is a i think it's a it's either an entertainment weekly or rolling stone cover from way back in the day from true blood and it is bill sookie and eric lake all three of them spooning. There's a sukey sandwich men they're wrong but naked and are covered in blood. Oh cam completely down with the most shocking The best cover. I think i have ever seen on any magazine ever. I just have to see right now to screwdrivers and a engine in or a gin and tonic in. So here we are. I'm taking a page from your playbook. It always makes for the best all right there and it's funny. There's there's very little out there about alexander skarsgard but there's also quite a bit. I mean he's there is a ton of personal quotes on his. Imdb page There's a a pretty good Bio many bio for him I love that. His one of his the the trademarks that are listed as cleft chin and a razor sharp cheapo sharp cheekbones that with demi levato towering height and lean yet impressively impressively athletic physique. God i'm not even drinking and laughing. Sorry that's okay. You know and like the last thing that i will say about alexander. Skarsgard is his under trivia. His favorite movie is listed as nineteen thirty. Three's duck soup assisting. Were keeping to say and i kind of feel like. He intentionally did that just because it was quirky. You know it's a marx brothers at yeah. Yeah a just so random. I love it. Do you have anything to add about. Alexander skarsgard home. I'm not sure that i do Oh i do have one tiny thing to add. So he was in the legend of tarzan. Which i have not watched. But he apparently played tarzan and he was in a lady gaga paparazzi video which lady gaga mazing. I was just listening to her earlier tonight. Not realizing that there was an alexander skarsgard diane. That's funny and i looked it up. and yeah. I mean right at the beginning he he plays the boyfriend. Yeah i'm gonna have to re watch that video. What an amazing she. Leaves like alexander skarsgard plate. My boyfriend and music video right. And i got to cross act with bradley. Cooper was tragic and terrible was fabulous. Still have not seen that. It was good. I'm going to be totally honest and admit that i'm a terrible podcast or and move movie viewer and i've never seen the original but it was good. There's an original barbara streisand You know. I am going to be a terrible person. Admit that i don't really like. Oh my god you are terrible. Like i just yeah. I don't know yeah. I don't really have anything else. But i am going to re watch that lady gaga video. Before i go to bed tonight i'll find zululand or women's from it'll be like that's randall. Flagg i have a ton of stuff in whispers cornered. The good news is fairly short. Despite that the first is that season ten see. i'm going to call it one released tonight on amc. Plus i have not watched it yet. So i did not look at all. The spoilers that were posted for there were a ton but apparently there is a new group of bad guys called the reapers interesting. And we'll be watching next week. So here we are. There was an article that was kind of click bait and it showed up in a couple of places so norman. Rita's actually says that he wants the new spin off to be about hope and friendship and he apparently waxed quite eloquently about how you know he wants it to be like post cova did. The world's world is opening up. You know hoping friendship yada yada yada. We'll see how that goes. Yeah especially considering. Anthony vouch each just said we could be expecting to wear masks. God don't tell me that. God one life. I wanna live have needs. I wanna live okay and you know. God bless it. You and i are supposed to go to walkers not walker stocker Fan demonic in september. Which i don't believe is going to happen but were supposed to do it. You know and like. I want to be the terror of the walking dead circuits. I wanted to be like. Oh my god that will win from alaska's run run fast run far. I'm day worry. Math get vaccinated. i'd blessed anthony fallacies dot cursing me. Okay so anyway. That's the thing about the the the click bait about the new spin off about daryl and carol. I did post on our binders page. There was an article about how to become an extra on walking dead world beyond season two. So if you are in. Virginia there is a possibility. Take a look at that. There is a new fear the walking dead trailer which i also posted on biters and they introduced the quote king of the crazies unquote. Who is played by john. Glover who you might know from scrooge d- Go ahead i'm just. I'm trying to figure out who. John glover isn't screwed. You'll kind of recognize him when you see his face you know. He's a character actor. He's not someone who's had huge standout roles But you'll recognize him when you see his face. I was confusing him. With crispin glover in my head because i had crispin glover second my head because of american gods. Oh okay i know who he is so he is in fear and so is god. Is david carradine his soul. I am i think keith carradine is the one who died. i've got. I may have it mixed up. They look so much alike so one of them died in what was considering. Abby and auto auto roddick has fifty x god. Okay the the. Jim is showing auto erotic fixation and one of them is still living and he played frank. Lundy in dexter and he has been cast in fear the walking dead all right home sweet home. Which is the ten c. One episode of walking dead prime uses one of my favorite songs by leonard cohen. At the end of the episode. So if any of you have seen any pictures of my tattoos one of my cats is a leonard cohen quote on my left forearm. And the funny thing is. It's it's balanced by walking dead quote and i love leonard cohen. He is so intensely personal and meaningful to me and you want darker is the album that was released just before he passed away. It's an amazing album and the us the song you want darker at the end of of tennessee one. Apparently it's a cover but nonetheless. It's a freaking amazing song. Such a good album to we'll have to send to me. Yeah i should probably heard it. A remind me up to know by name mu tax. Remind me and remind me to put to post the video on on biters as well and it's david carradine. Who died in two thousand nine okay. That's what i was thinking. So it's keith. Who is in fear yet. I also go ahead. Because i'm like i know it was the one that was in. Kill bill gates right which isn't a mate. So i'm hit or miss with quentin tarantino. Because sometimes his sexual violence is a little too much for me. But the kill bill series. I love ya okay. So i also posted this on on our biters so the invincible trailer has been released. Invincible is a comic book property by robert kirkman. That's been optioned by amazon And it looks amazing. So it's animated. It has a star cast including multiple t t. wd including stephen j k seeming sevens. Sorry i shouldn't drink. Before podcast. Sandra oh and mark hamill i mean. It's got a huge cast. Wow i know mark hamill does a lot of voice work. For one cartoons. You know what. I was thinking about him. I mean here's the thing. He totally can do whatever he wants. Because he basically has had his career made by the three star. Wars films So he doesn't have to do anything he doesn't want to. You did finish season to have mandalorian right. It was good. Oh my god it was so good. Yeah anyway so i did post the trailer. So if you're interested in that please go. Look it's definitely on my list kahad. I don't know where i'm going to fit it on my list. I'm still trying to finish the stephen king series. I was reading. And i'm just about done. And now i have this really dirty book called diary of a submissive. That is next on my list. So here we are that should be housewives housekeeping Okay so ride returns to m. c. on three seven fear the walking dead returns on four eleven and i did also post the new season six. Be fear of the walking dead trailer. On the biters page you have been a busy girl. I have been a busy girl today. I've been lazy as hell been busy nonetheless. Right the things that i have for housewives housekeeping so you and i are going to pose to a podcast a promising young woman for real housewives this week which looks amazing along the lines of assassination nation. It is and i will tell you that there is actually less violence and less sex than there is in this episode of the stand so well. They're disappointing disturbing audio And then there are some kind of it. There is some kind of violence starting at about ninety two minutes in so But not nearly as much as in this episode of the stands. So i need a trigger warning. What's do i need a trigger warning. The the movie does deal with is on. What is it ripi there. The the disturbing audio as is but it does center around a woman seeking revenge for the assault of her friend. So i need to stick my fingers in my ears. Or am i going to be. Okay oh no you'll be okay. Okay very good now like randall flagg having intercourse with nadine and demanding out was way more. Turn out okay. Five then you'll be by I would also like to say at that. I am drinking the most amazing tonic water with my gin has elder flower in it. And it's so good Man elder flower is like blueberry when it comes to alcohol. It's really hit and miss for me. It's amazing. I have never tasted a blueberry alcohol. Drink the night. Like and i actually bought some elderberry like liqueur or or something and it was horrible. No this is incredible. I will have to take your word. I'm actually just drinking iced tea. Like a not even pollick. I'm taking a giant page from your book. And i'm drinking more and smiling more. I plan to have an edible later. Which is why. I'm have ended stab whether the i'm abstaining from alcohol. Very good each have to do our own thing. Yeah i like to mix it up with my liver so there is some argument that marijuana and your liver have a strong negative relationship to each other but here we go. I'm not saying. I'm taking it easy on her. I'm just mixing things up. I daydream rank yesterday in a boat in courses. Eight taking it easy on my liver. I'm just mixing it up a little. I can't judge. I can't judge besides all of the legal medications that go through my liver every day. Anyway like what's one more illegal illegal. It doesn't matter. The only difference is like prescription or dealer pharmacist. Or like your buddy okay. The only other thing. I'm gonna say before we get into our goods. Badin uglies is that you have given me some pro tips on music lately. So thank you next by arianna. Guerande is one of my favorites because she completely not only talks about being grateful for the lessons that she learned from our acts but about falling in love with herself and demi lovato's competent is also spot on the spot on. So i'm quite happy and yes i realize these women like thirty years younger than i am but i will not say the expletive that i want to say. Probably send you to more tonight. They're both by june whitmore. One is called kill of the night and the other one's called black sheep okay. I'm good with both those. Send my way. I am fewing salty. These days salty. I will tell you it's fabulous. No i think you're feeling fassi because salty is like salty. Aunt sassy i income to. I'm soy sauce. Be so you know what i am. Fifty years old. I feel fabulous. I am having a great time. And i never thought that would be my reality and i am so damn happy for you. Because like man the toxic positively. I have been feeding us. It had a off is totally paid off. And let me tell you. If you're a part of the convention circuit and co with ever goes away. Run foreign fast the housewives. Oh alright. i'm terrible terrible terrible. Let's talk about our goods bads and uglies. because otherwise i would s about my terrible life. I was just trying to figure out a scheme of getting a bearskin rug to atlanta. Like so explain please i. It's totally real. Housewives of alaska over to that is hilarious. Yeah i'm having that Practical magic healing very into sisters mohan. All right you have to start goods best lease so i am going to say that my good was actually seen between stu and any before stu leaves So i liked it. I thought it was really humanizing. I thought frattini's. I just want you to survive so we can raise this baby together. Speech was really great. I liked her bitterness around. Being kind of pawns. Between god. and the devil or abigail and the devil. Or god and randall flagg. I mean however you wanna play those things out. And i actually thought the scene was really well played by both actors. I definitely liked odessa. Young anyway but i appreciate her even more after watching assassination nation. Yes absolutely like. I am so glad we podcast at that. Gosh too i mean. It really is one of my favorite movies. I was very lukewarm on odessa. And it's because. I have all kinds of feelings around the original. Franny molly ringwald But yeah odessa. Texas is amazing ago. Desi andreas doesn't y'all go. Oh two or does young texas. that's an actual place. So i had the scene written down for Not as a good batter. Ugly but because it differed from the ninety four version and i was wondering if it different from the book version You know i so again. We've talked a little bit about this. I'm ashamed to say that. Although i've read the book fairly recently there are definitely things that stick out more about the book. Probably in terms of shock factor but also in terms of just big overall impression. And i can't say that this particular parting between franny and sue and the book really sticks out in my brain I don't remember franny being bitter about being pawns between god and flag the way that she was in this. Yeah so there was that and then also The way that it went down in the ninety four version was when Mother abigail said that you know the four will will go to vegas and you know. Go with the clothes on your backs. And one of you won't make it and blah blah blah franny freaks the f out lake. She all but curses. She lake yells at mother abigail. Like she is not happy and this one she was quiet and reserved and thoughtful better But i really liked how this one went down better than the ninety four version. And that's you know usually unusual and what didn't have a problem with the ninety version. But i kinda liked this like like what you said. Just do what you have to do to get back to me. And i like how stu was like. I'll promise i promise no rights i can't. I can't promise that based on everything that's gone down. But i promise i'll try. Yeah yeah yeah so. Yeah i much. I preferred this version rather than the ninety-four version which i wonder husky which way down on the book you know. I feel really bad and this is true of most books that i read. It's like my brain. Hang onto them for a little bit. After i read them and then i'm like okay onto the next thing to be fair. You're a voracious reader and these are really long book. The stand was really long and i mean basically. I've read all of the bill. Hodges novels now and those between the three of them are essentially bullying the stand. And now you're just gonna read trashy smut from i ain't holy readings tra- trashy smut next read so i i also really liked the whole. Where just pawns in their game is good or a continuation of your good. Because i have actually. I think i'd vocalized it before and i think i. I know that. I have thought it before in the show in that. It's like why can't like we. We've asked the question. Why can't randall just like go. Wipe everyone out. Why does he have to have a bunch. I mean if he can operate from here to there and appearing people's dreams and torture people into like setting off bombs and stuff like why can't he like do his own bidding and if god is all powerful you know why can't he. You know like i just don't understand why humans always have to be ponds and it it. It's not just like the christian. God the does this. Lake the gr- in greek mythology You know norse mythology. The gods are always messing with humans. And i mean that's true i. I can't say that. I've read tons read enough egyptian mythology to remember that it six out that far back but it's totally true in greek mythology. They completely mask with humans. You know and. I got to think that it's just like humans always have to have somebody to blame the bad stuff on. We can't ever blame ourselves. You know there are some legitimacy to that we'd we we can't take ownership. We'd much rather blame the gods blame hubris and blame fee. Then blame ourselves. Yep so yeah. I i agree with your good like i said i had it written down fern entirely other reason but Yeah liked it okay. What's your good. Am i a terrible person. Yes you're always a terrible person. But i love you anyway. You are my heart year in kobe. And you're my heart herald at suffered so badly before he died. Seemed like he suffered a low more in the series than he did in the book and he suffered more in this one than in the ninety four went down a little differently in the ninety version. Okay so In the one thousand nine hundred version. It's actually randall. Flagg steps out on the highway enforcing off. This is much closer to the book. I mean basically nadine mess it up so that he wrecks. I wondered because like in the ninety. Four version it was basically like lags. I got to get rid of herald. 'cause meetings mine and in this one meetings like peace out herald that he wouldn't have let me live anyway by any better. Not but yeah so his. I mean his. He had physical suffering. He had mental suffering like his whole regret at the end Am writing like his last words and everything and how he was such a coward and maybe if he had jumped with the kids at the sand pit or whatever when he was a kid. Maybe things. So i remember quite that level of self disclosure. There was like zero in ninety four. It was like he went over the side. He had a broken leg and knitting like oh well and just like travels onto flag like an the he like he. He suffers and dies. But we really don't see that. And i don't even think they happen upon his body in the ninety four and i don't remember that in the book either and now unlike like am i gonna read the book a third time so i remember whether or not any of that stuff actually happens. This makes me happy. Now that i actually think you waited at some but yeah but i also this had to be on purpose. Okay so he's laying there like he not only has this broken leg but he's got that frigging like branch through his chest so and that did not happen in the book. All i remember from the book is the is the broken leg right and it was just a broken leg in the ninety four version but they like when he was yelling for any for any. He was yelling. Nadine get the rope. And i'm like dude if that branch comes out you're just going to bleed out like in five minutes. So he's laying there like kind of contemplating his fate and he's eating a candy bar. Did you notice gambler was a payday which is which is something that he was well known for in the bugs i for some reason i instantly well at least he got his payday. Oh my god. That's hilarious lags bidding and he got his payday not a snickers none of babe. Ruth like it was. It had to be intentional. That like it you could. It was obviously a payday. If you've ever seen one and you could actually read the rapper and it wasn't some generic form of it or anything you could distinctly see. Yeah you know. And he was. That was the the candy bar that he was well known for in the books and it was actually well known for being much. Heavier sat. yes and that improved somewhat with his change in diet and change in activity when he got boulder right So yeah. I had every time like the weasley little bad guy each sit in a movie or show like my mind. I don't know why my mind always goes back to The the scene in the movie. The mummy with a brandon frazier were the chickens. Like weasley men like you. Always get their comeuppance oas like my brain just goes there and i'm like oh he got his uppance. I don't remember that seem f watched that movie a couple times. It's been a long time. So the guy the guy who did the bidding of the mummy win Eighty gets kidnapped by. She's like recently little guys like you always get their runny. The taylor funny still any time. This kinda thing happens like my mind always goes there and it's just it's so satisfying when they do and this was so traumatic and tragic. It wasn't just like you know. Flag struck dead or he wrecked and like he suffered for more than a day. I mean he did. And i it seems like he suffered longer. Yeah and he. He suffered mentally leg. It wasn't just the physical. So i am a terrible person. My good was herald. Dying you are at a terrible person but in love you anyway. I really do. So what was your bad. So my bad. And i'm going to get a little randy. The two most underdeveloped characters in the whole series. Kojak ella kojak. He's one of my favorites. mother abigail. We've talked about this before. I'm going to say it again. I won't spend tons of time on it. She is so much more interesting in the book and they spent so much more time developing her. I'm it sounds like they did in the ninety four series as well. They spent so little time developing her in this series and it's really disappointing because she was much more interesting. And i know who you're going to say next. Oh you totally know gonna say tell me you know trash yes okay. How could they skip his back story. There is so much about trash that is so critical in the book. I don't know how much time they spent on backstory in ninety four but there is so much in the book. he's so much more interesting and this is awful. I know i rented last week about how they portrayed trash. I'm going to rant a rant again. As we're miller terrible the whole screeching at the top of his voice. The whole dsm. Okay we have stumbled into my eye. So awful awful awful. I was like oh my good. God couldn't as ra miller's agent have negotiated better literally the first words. I have written down for the review of this show. Trash sounds like a loss arap. So when so funny is the first word that i have written down for this episode are. I'm having serious. Trauma around trash again. Did elaborate too much more on his back story in the ninety four version. of course they skipped over his his journey although sudas appointing because he's such an interesting character. And so i mean if he he's more interesting in the ninety four version. We really don't get that much more of him. Although it feels like we got a lot more of him considering you know that was four hours. This is nine hens. Yes this is straight up for my rotting potpourri. I thought you said it was six. I'm sorry to six hours. it's four episodes. Okay straight up from my writing. Pary what have they done with the other three hours. Nothing nothing not okay. There was so many long establishment shots in this episode and they also leg went over and over. The explosion like like three between the last episode in this episode. Like three times. And i'm like okay. There's forty five minutes you could have cut out between these long establishments jots and going over the scenes over and over and yes i get it. It's from different people's perspective but find a better way to convey that you know so. Yeah no they have not made good use of their extra three hours. You wanna agree on that. And we'll see what episode nine which is the brand new coda house to bring to the story. But so far. I just i i kind of think of this like a bag of chips in that lake. It looks like a full bag but like sixty percent of its air and you. Will you think that's necessary in order for the chips not to get crush. Pringles doesn't just find whatever can of doing this so weird analogy but you got there. Yeah no totally there so our bads were just about this. God ezra miller cbs. I'm outfit is just too much and not in a good way walk law. He's crazy. Like i said i don't know why they're going with the underwear of until nudity. Just cause with the way that he's got like the nice rip cleanly l. Impose yourself on that one. But we should move on your. Oh yes we cover. Both were bad. Trash does not cover him hopefully see to exist. Don't you set up listen to this okay. I'm breathing. I'm breathing but no good. I'm good okay. I'm just going to go back to something i've said before. Which is that. Glenn and larry are my absolute favorite casting for the series So giovanna depot and greg kinnear. They couldn't have done any better. They're just they're both great. I just i loved them. As larry and i just do and while that is not a long bad that is a long ugly rather good ugly. That huge ugly i. Just i think that those two actors bring their all to the series and they bring their best to the series. And i'm gonna say that it would probably my next in the casting. But but greg kinnear and joe. Dapo are definitely my favorites. You know and it. It was a divergence in the original casting completely both actually a little more. So giovanna depot than than greg near but but both greg ca near as much younger than or at least appears to be like i can't judge people's ages anymore like people age way better than they used to just say that greg kemira selects fabulous. Oh man yeah. Him and sabrina and he still looks amazing. Yeah yeah. I think he looks better now than yeah actually. I would agree that slightly grizzled beard. You look i'm good with that. Yeah and so. This actually segues nicely into my ugly. I love what glenn had to say. Where after they had stopped in that town and gathered supplies and stews given him crap about all the the most outspoken atheist of all you know suddenly believes in He said that his wife told him. There is no difference in believing in something for which there is no evidence and refusing to believe in something for which there is overwhelming evidence. And i really like that. You know me being the big atheists that i am if there were overwhelming evidence like if if this mother abigail character had come to a dream and she were real and like the apocalypse it happened and now we're sent on a mission from god to defeat evil like i think i might start believing in heaven and hell you know like maybe not exactly like the king james version of the bible like no shellfish and like god hates figs. Vegans hate figs. God's know god doesn't fix which is funny. 'cause the tree that i brought home from my office jury so i'm being blasphemous even in my home good for you but i just love that quote you know Like of course like even me. You a huge atheist. I think if all of these miraculous things were happening around me. I think you know i would start to question my questioning of things so and of course quick break near. Put it so eloquently you know. And he's really well written. I would have to say of all of the characters he. He is probably the best written because the character is that eloquent in the book and he continues to be eloquent in the series. I mean just him leaning out the window of the limo or leading to the window and the statue and caesar's palace and he's like render unto. Caesar you know he's he's such a rich character you know he's he's got that philosophy background and he's very well read. Didn't you know he's just. Yeah yeah you know. I i love him i think he's he love glenn. Yup all right. I think this straight into writing popey and john written. Well you start So did you notice after nadine and randall's tryst on her thigh. He had like scratched our app into her thigh. No i didn't notice that. I was so comparing in my head. The nadine of this to the end of the book. That i miss that entirely. Oh it was set so sickening like we had just witnessed like him in full demon mode and her like the with a low rabi towards the end and like then they flash on her and she's her hair's white and everything but she's got like our f- carved into her inner thigh. I was just like oh okay. I'm gonna go there because that was a big part of this episode for me. Yep so it's a really rape in the book And nadine is not like. Oh i'm so turned on an amazing and platinum plan. Now in the book she was totally like. I'm completely freaked out at this horrible. I've been completely violated. I'm devastated. I mean that was the way she was in the book so the way that they portrayed her in. This episode was actually unsatisfying and somewhat disturbing for me. And i'm not going to talk anymore about nadine's trajectory because i wanna see what they do with her next week. Yes but let me tell you that. This was a very disturbing. Yeah so it kind of sounds like the ninety four version better. Yeah yeah Because like we've said before needing seems to be a lot more conflicted about you know. Her and randall's relationship even though she is drawn to him and the scene was lake way more traumatic in ninety four. And then afterwards. It's not like like she suddenly became fricking jayne mansfield desert. All of a sudden was like her hair turns shock y rights night and i was like just bugged out for the rest of her time so your remembrance of ninety four is very consistent with the way. It was portrayed in the book. Yeah yeah so. I am super curious to see if they follow through right with her storyline. That i think is probably fairly close to the book in ninety four so i gotta say i was actually even a little bit angry when they showed a grossly pregnant. Nadine greeting are survivors at the the gates of or at the that the elevator opening of the The the casino. Thank you the casino. The camped out in. I was a little angry because it was so different from the way that the experience with flag and the portrayal of nadine was in the book so but it there is a bit of a difference and so win. Flag was like nadine honey. Why don't you greet our guests. And she goes down there and when she gets into like what she goes. Pass rat and the other henchman and they are both looking at each other like. Are you seeing what i'm seeing. And they're like both freaked out. And these are people that watch people murder other with chainsaws and people screw on the casino floor. On a regular basis. They auctioned off slaves. You know like these people cannot be shocked and these two are looking at each other leg. Oh my god and it's like what what what you know. And so she goes into the elevator and she looks and she's got this gorgeous reflection. Her hair's like falling imperfect because a reflection is very different from what you see at the end of the episode where she's like all like kind of washed out and she's got dark circles under her eyes and she looks like a walking corpse. Rice and her hair's like all frazzled. And everything so she seeing what flag. Oh good observation. What is in reality is like. That baby is sucking the life out of her good observation. Yeah so he's got her in some sort of transfer she thinks she's a okay and that baby is just a jess stating the hell out of her soul. Which again not not consistent with stephen king's portrayal at all. But here we are no and you know this makes me wonder about the changed ending. Yeah yep it's sounds like the change is really focused on franny. And i have done my best like i looked up stand news today and there was nothing new except stuff about the ending and i was like not read it. Now that line. I can click on it. Gotta watch it. I watch it so we kinda talked about earlier. A little bit of parallels between stew in herald where they both had a broken leg and faced are facing a decision of quote unquote away out and so now we have a parallel between a heavily. Pregnant franny and a heavily pregnant nadine about really makes me wonder about the ending and i will say that i have not watched the last couple of episodes so i cannot speak to it i have no foreknowledge like this is just me spit balling so if something happens that i'm saying that i think is going to happen. It's totally my psychic ability. So it was so super glad that you brought it up though because that's totally something that went through my at my head with this episode. Is that you know. There's a parallel between franny and herald traveling on their motorbikes. At the beginning of the series and herald a navy and traveling on their motorbikes. Now and there's this giant parallel between stew in herald both breaking their legs on a journey to las vegas So i i. I'm glad that we saw the same thing. Yeah you know and before we see a heavily pregnant nadine missed that completely so good on you for catching that because that wasn't consistent with the way that she was portrayed in the book right right and you know we both probably know the ending that has been written for eighteen before right. We'll see if that happens raid. Yeah but poor. Joe was left in the care of Framing and so i. I originally had written poor joe because you know nadine abandoned him now larry has to leave and this poor kid has already lost his real parents. Somewhere along the way You know mother abigail went missing. Throw like all these people keep disappearing out of his life. And i'm like oh. Brady's lake lake the eternal mother at this point like she's odd like her dead boyfriend. God she's like a mother goddess it lay and so like now unlike So i wonder. I don't think nadine like no matter what happens. I don't think mediums going to survive the birth of the child. If that comes to fruition. So i kind of wonder if there's going to be like a little baby flag that france has to raise at satisfy fold prediction again like prediction. It's icky but i like it like to newborns and like little joe to help her out and everything so yeah that that would make an interesting alternate ending like it. I although it would be somewhat disturbed i would be okay with that okay but so we are like hollywood is always up for the money. Grab i could totally see a stand to like i can see a season to like randall. Flagg reborn so there has been a little a little bit of conversation around that so it will be interesting to see how the new ending plays into that I i mean why else i mean seeking has changed the ending a couple of times but really for late. Why else do you change the ending of something. You do it in order to be able to continue it so you can grab that dollar not. The stephen king needs the dollar. At this point. I get it no. Maybe it's all access does but pretty open to like shirt okay. Yeah we'll do that. You know like we'll make a movie. We'll make it into a show. We'll make it into a mini series. Whenever i wrote the book a long time ago you know. Just whatever. And i say good for him exactly. Yeah like as long as he approves of it. I have no problem. You know with the changes. But i'm just saying that that is why you change in ending. Would then it sounds like so far off from it used to be is so you can make a part two or season two or yet at this is this has been a very fruitful episode in terms of making conversation. I mean it. I don't know that it's been my favorite episode. I'm not sure. At this point. That i could go back and pick one. It would probably be the first couple of episodes but this has been very fruitful So one of the other lines. That i absolutely loved and i i'm a terrible person. Probably like but they already hold you. You're a terrible person. i'm gonna love you anyway. They put it in there for us to laugh at so i get to laugh at it. Okay and i'm going to say it as they said it. These are not the words that i use in my life having a smidgen of american native in me Okay and yeah so sorry ray pandering. Sorry okay go ahead. Ray says what do you think the little engine girl must know the ways of the earth right lest tier to find a way your water so you don't crap yourself to death right. The guys are like a pretty much of course. lake. I laughed i had to. I don't i don't like the way she phrased it But it was done intentionally because she can get that kind of laugh factor out of there but it was funny. 'cause like they all really did just assume that you know she was there pathfinder. I actually really like was. I mean i i want to like ray because i really like irene benard. As an actress i was also really angry. At the whole we are all brothers. We are all related thing as she was saying goodbye. Stew at the end i was like pandering pandering. I mean i went to indigo girls concert. I was there when winona la duke introduced them. I get it. I get it but hammering a awful. I'm worse person than you are. Okay i have her i i. What was that tie for first. I have to talk about heralds death for a minute okay. So first of all the first scene where they show him like scribbling in his journal. I was like this is really dark. And i don't mean dark in terms of broody. I mean dark terms cinematography. I'm really angry. I was really really happy that like they read his letter. Alive right me too. Larry did in his right and then I was actually really glad that there was a return herald in the light with the volterra looming over him. Because i was like. Oh god we'll actually get a little bit of closer with harold. Yeah you know. And i was released a practices. I think in if i remember right in the ninety four version. They didn't actually show himself shooting himself. They you heard a gunshot. It's consistent with my memory of the book that he shot himself. Okay do i think that it is consistent with them. Showing him shooting himself. I can't remember but it's consistent with my memory of the book that he did suicide which i mean. I don't blame him at all. There was no help for the no. Yeah his liver picked out by vulture young for me feels since we're revisiting a heralds death it was like especially satisfying this episode because he was so cringe-worthy in the beginning like after they blew the house up and thought that they had killed a bunch of people and then he's like breaker breaker. That's a big ten. I'm like oh my god. You're the cringes person on earth like literally. There are very few people left so you are literally the crankiest person on earth. And then what he said. Dude he dean. We don't touch each other now. A woman who makes you look like a second potato slack. Totally not consistent with the book known like. I have no memory of him being like i'm going to reject nadine because all the sudden flag is gonna give me with someone amazing. No no no no. No there was none of that ninety four either way you said was so shocking so horrible especially after having seen nadeem be vulnerable to larry and be like. I don't want this. If you just sleep with me. I can stay blah blah blah and then all of a sudden. He's she's rejected by the man that she was forced to be with me sick. Yes nadine is like doing the bidding of flag. But i just have kind of a soft spot for her because like like just her whole store and then like to see her branded by flatly. Oh it's just awful. Awful in a good stephen king best stephen king way right exactly exactly. I feel for her but definitely a different needing this time around than it was in ninety four. I agree very much. So but again like loving the platinum jayne mansfield. Look right although that is not even remotely consistent no now in ninety four she. She looked like a bog. Which or whatever. I right and that was more what i was envisioning in my head from reading the novel. Yeah okay so. I have a couple. More things about Heralds death so. I can't remember if our travelers found him or not. So i don't know if it's consistent that larry finds his writing but i was glad that they gave us what his his journal was. Since they really prominently displayed. What displayed him. Working in it and i will say that i loved what he said an f. me for letting myself turn into something worse. Yeah i mean. I'm not sure that he deserves the redemption that he gets in the story and the redemption specifically that he gets from larry. But i i kinda liked it. I liked that and i also liked larry being like well. We can't just leave his writing out and he's like no matter what i followed. This man's writing across half and then ray raging that liberal garbage but then like you know larry finding the writing and it was just. It was kind of like a poetic close to that line and he followed his writing. I like that. Yeah there i mean. There really wasn't much to do other like he took his code often and covered heralds face. So i mean that just makes larry even better in my eyes. That was a great moment and like really sad to see him. Take off his jacket and copper heralds face but that was a great moment. Yeah yep okay. So i'm going to tell you so i i literally wrote this. Nadine lured with rose petals. No girl faster. Oh man it's like the what is it. The the star off twinkling of a star lure the sailors to their death or whatever. Yeah yeah not not. No as my niece was say no between the The what is like the desert slash flags hotel room and the The vigil that we had for mother abigail last episode and then mother. Abigail z- Hospital room this time. I'm like okay. Apparently the first place that everyone went after the apocalypse was homegoods for all of the white candle. Oh my god areas where these the pockets ballgown shock and white candle. Hey sent me an amazing picture of a ballgame that you're gonna order off of today so i'm totally dow with ballgowns and shotguns. I got a check. And i just need the ball. You need the ball gown. You need it. You could be sitting in my home office on the zoom meeting in my bum. Yeah if nothing else you need it for our triumphant of fantastic in september would be funny. Got princess with her fuzzy. And you can log on you girl do it my ass or rocks a gallon. It'll be it'll be me in a leather jacket in a ball gown. I love it. I'm going to hold you to that. You'd better order them. Okay i am going to say. Kojak is a good boy. A good dog. Oh i yeah. And i'm so glad that he went back because that's super consistent with the novel you now. I can't remember i. i remember. I thought he stayed. I thought glen told kojak. This name stu not in the novel note. Okay and i like. I don't totally remember. But just know that kojak was with stu And good thing. Because you know. I i honestly think that Lloyd would have probably either just shot. The dog or taken aback cooked him. You know like. I think that they're you know he. He would have done something awful to project. Your rights didn't think about that. Probably would have and. Kojak is a good boy. He's a good doctor. And quickest way to lose me is is killing the guy and i will say that the story line of stu you falling when glenn nearly falls is entirely consistent with the book as well and i don't remember that in the ninety four version but again i mean six hours compared to nine and however many pages of a book so i just think they didn't deem to be necessary. I will say kind of speaking of that scene where daga comes back. Not the best sound stage really. Yeah like especially when the actors were talking before everybody left. Stu and glenn was like yeah. We've gotta go on other abigail said we need to go on. This is what has to happen. I was like Not the best sound stage well. So i accidentally didn't know that i hadn't watched this one. Which is why. I watched it twice today. Other half still has to watch it. So maybe i will watch it with him again on my god because you really need to watch the third time. What else do i have to do. Pay trim install a toilet flooring ceiling fan too. Funny i all of these things and they just pile up in my garage. I just i seriously just need to hire handyman. Mb lake like my time is worth more in podcasting than it is the cash 'em about to pay you so that was so funny putting more money back in the economy. Okay going back to the scene where. I was not super impressed with this stage. Also the whole twenty third psalm. Thing was totally to on point. They did not do that in the novel. The whole i will fear no evil i will. I will a okay. we get it. You could've stopped at the first time i they i. I'm pretty sure there was none of that in the ninety four version than And i think the ninety four version really really tried to stay away from lot of the heavy biblical references with why they made All the crucifixions on his instead of Crosses which we did see a ton of crucifixions in this episode. If you were paying close attention. I was not so on. Basically every single Like lamppost in vegas. There was crucified. person okay so since. We're talking about vegas. The billboards were terrible cells. Harrell like totally. Not flattering to alexander. Skarsgard totally not interesting in terms of the character randall. Flagg terrible So what was like i. I did not have closed caption on What he was saying stuff like You had your chance you we you you've had now it's our turn or something like that right and was he saying there's no whining seeing signing like multiple times and it was actually not just something that you need it on closed caption but also something that was like printed on the billboards. There's no weiner's no whining allowed. Which was like totally word right right. Okay yeah and i'm like that's all weird propo- was it was the light you could be. You could see something a little more substantial like the new world order issue must be strong or parish. You know if you're like. And i know he's not the devil if you're the devil. Aren't you just like you know what. I'm going to take a few pages at book literally right and i mean really even though you and i know he's not the devil they're portraying him as the devil. Yeah and i mean you would assume that he is the yeah. I mean for all intents and purposes. That's how he is. That's who he is. Okay and speaking of being the devil. The license plate on the limo inferno one i was like who's making license plates in a pandemic were ninety. Nine percent of the planet died. Okay i can entirely envision. A brothel owner out without having funding with infertile one as their license plate. And i told you get that sense. It makes sense than thinking that someone created it for randall. Flagg after the apocalypse. Yeah yeah. I mean they got. They got more priorities. But you know like they are. They are just flitting away a lot of a lot of resources and stuff. Did you think it was funny. And we're getting toward the end of my notes that they were playing baby. Can you dig your man as they were getting everybody out of the limo. Yep yep i did. See the their resurgence of this. The song yeah. That's pretty much all i have. We've talked about everything else. Yeah i think. That's what i have to so we have two episodes left and the walking dead. Actually premiered tonight if you have. Amc plus it premieres for those of us. Who are general lebron's in the in the coming week. Actually i have mc plus. But it's only because. I don't have cable i was gonna say i'm might have amc. Plus i'll have to check with the service that like a multitude of freaking streaming services. I subscribe to now which. I just got cinemax i was gonna say i did cinemax her hot minute and then canceled it right away because of showgirls. Going to be the one that they get because you'll forget canceling because they only give you a week. Yeah no. I was like no. There's nothing that i need to watch on cinemax. Amax that that i need to keep skin amax for. Do you remember the good old days when you got a thirty day free trial. I just know that. I don't need a seven-day trial of skin amax. Because if i wanna watch porn i can watch it on pornhub or tiktok so i know tectonic. You have completely ruined me. I'm sure i have an not unimportant. Tiktok but i am on kink talk. Is that really porn. Tiktok cow really. There's talk yes we're terrible and we're now taking us into a thirteen version of fighters so it's probably time to wrap it up. I think it is so join us next week. We will be doing the second to last episode of stand. We will be doing season tennessee. One which gotta hate sitting round of the walking dead and We will also by then also A promising young woman should have dropped so Go and rented that from whatever streaming service you rented from the on a multitude of platform is it. Because i was gonna say i don't know if if it is as expensive everywhere else it is on amazon but oh god it is. I'm really really super intrigued. By the promo. Which is the only reason that i'm willing to pay what we're gonna pay for it. Well and i watched it for you. And i definitely highly recommend it so you can. You can get it on youtube for twenty bucks. You can get it on new for twenty bucks. You can get it on amazon prime for twenty bucks like it's out there. You just gotta pay twenty bucks to see it so. I think that it is worth the price of admission And maybe that's just me that hasn't gone to an actual movie theater year. I was gonna say if we were in the before times. That would be less than you wanna jade so there. We are definitely worth the price of admission a promising young woman so man. We've got a lot of podcast into do you can also go see us In practically nothing after dark. You leslie neighbor charlie way less than the both of us actually watched show girls to listen to us. Talk about it. It's definitely a coke classic for a reason at at a theatrical and critical flop but there is a reason why people hate to love it so okay and trigger warning if you want to be completely ruined on human sexuality in general watch the pool scene if you wanna be completely ruined on humans as general watch the rape scene which i have my eyes closed through the whole thing so yes definitely a lot less graphic than you would expect but still i. I couldn't do it marne. I know that that's a giant trigger for me. And i couldn't totally understandable. Yeah all right. Everybody and till next week. Next timex podcast. Just remember take it one dead day at a time. Have a good week. Everybody have a good week.
Episode 40: Rebecca Roanhorse
"Welcome to the world shapers conversations with science fiction and fantasy authors out to the creative process. I'm your host and in this episode guest Rebecca Morse remorse. mm-hmm welcome to another episode of the world shapers winner of the two thousand Nineteen Aurora Award for best fan related work work. I'm your host Edward Willett. I started this podcast where I talked with science fiction and fantasy authors about their creative process. Because I am myself a science fiction I and fantasy author author of Os Twenty novels at this point with The latest one master of the world being tenth novel For New York's DA books Master of the world is the second book in my World Shaper Series which started with world. Shaper the year before. And it's a it's a fun series right It said in a labyrinth of shaped worlds where the people people who shaped those worlds actually live within them rather like authors living inside their created worlds My main character. Shana keys is the shape of the world. She lives in which is very much like ours though. There are a few differences. But she doesn't know that she has somehow forgotten that she shaped this world until a mysterious stranger. Carl yet so shows up and tells me this and then next thing you know. They're running for their lives across her version of our world pursued by the adversary who has stolen the knowledge of the making of her world and can take over complete the if he can just kill her Shawna and Carl escaped spoiler in the first book. And then she's on a quest to travel to as many of these shaped worlds as she can in the vast labyrinth And take the knowledge of they're making a greater the mysterious woman at the center of the Labyrinth. So in the second book she ends up in a world that is inspired by Jules. Very shape was a big fan of Jules Verne. And that's the title master of the World Comes from of course and so it's a world with lots of steam punk elements with submarines and strange flying devices uses and floating islands. And all kinds of things like that. I had a lot of fun writing it. And he's a first person Character and oddly enough she shares my sense of humor. So there's a lot of. There's a lot of Geeky pop culture references and jokes in these books. I'm just finishing up the writing of three Nestor sorry the moonlit world. Yes master the world is the second one the moonlit world which is where Wilson Vampires and peasants. Oh my and that will be out next. September the first two books are out in a trade paperback AUDIOBOOK and e book and mass and World cheaper is also out in mass market. Paperback master the world. Mass market. Paperback should Out in August. I should also mention another book project coming up that to. You might want to help me out with. I plan to to start in January launch a kickstarter to fund an anthology featuring some of the guests from the world shapers first year and we have have some major major names who have said they will contribute a story including Sean Maguire. Tanya Huff Christopher Rocky. Oh He's already he's already ridden run for me. Charles Gannon we also have some reprints from John. SCULLEY has agreed to provide a reprint and there might be some others. Those rose and Joe Haldeman is even said he will provide a poem so it should be a very exciting anthology if we can fund it. So I'll provide more details on that as we get closer to the launch date which should be in mid January twenty twenty. I hope and then one more thing I should mention. Is that the world shapers. PODCAST is part of these Lisa schedule and podcast network which is supported by connects his credit union that is the introductory material out of the way. Let's get onto this episode's guest guest Rebecca Roan Horse Rebecca. Roan horse is a Nebula Hugo and locus award winning speculative fiction writer and the recipient of the two thousand eighteen astounding formerly Campbell Award for best new writer. Her novel trail of Lightning Book. One in the six th world series which is the one we will talk about. The most today won the locus award for best first novel and is a Nebula Hugo and world fantasy finalist it was also selected as an Amazon Barnes and Noble Library Journal and NPR Best Book of two thousand eighteen eighteen among others book to in the six. Th World Series Star of locusts has received starred reviews from Publishers Weekly and Book List and her next novel resistance reborn as Part Art of Star Wars journey to the rise skywalker in his out in November. Twenty nineteen be about the time this goes live her middle grade novel race to the Sun for Rick reward and presents percents. Imprint will release January and twenty twenty and her epic fantasy novel between Earth And sky will follow late twenty twenty s off a few things out there. Her short fiction can be found at APEX magazine. New Sons the mythic dream and various other anthologies and she also writes nonfiction which can be found in uncanny strange horizons than how I resist in hope for new generation published by Macmillan She lives in northern New Mexico with your husband bought her and pups and it says in her bio here from her her website that she drinks a lot of black coffee. Which I'm having some right now? So they go. You can't we'll talk about where you can find her online later on but to welcome to the world shapers Rebecca look for having me I always look for connections and we have A. We haven't met but you were born in Arkansas Lived in Texas and went to university in New Mexico and I was born in New Mexico lived in Texas and went to university in Arkansas. So there's a certain certain certain. Although I live in Canada and I was born in Silver City New Mexico my parents were living in a little town called bared down there so but didn't live there. Yeah that is south that I'm in the north but I know where it is so Let's go back into the mists of time as I like to say to my guests and talk about where you grew up how you got interested in writing. And in speculative fiction in particular Most of US start with readers and I think from reading leading and I think for meeting some of our other interviews that suck. I was kind of the case for you too. Yeah absolutely always a huge science fiction. Fantasy Fan As long as I can remember I've been reading in the genre and I seek really my first sort of big. Wow book was Dune by Frank. Herbert read that one in that blew the doors wide open. You know in the fantasy room I of course I read that Bulgaria. I read All wheel of time books like those were well. Okay not all of them. That's true good point. I haven't read the last few I think I'd tapped out like I don't the probably book five or six or something now. I can't even remember but I'm very excited for the Amazon show. That is coming. I'm really curious to see what they do with it So you you were born in Arkansas. You grew up in Texas But then you ended up in in New Mexico and you didn't and actually studied writing university. Were you writing as a kid. Yeah absolutely so oh Grew up in Fort Worth Texas. M My mom is actually from okay when gave Pueblo which is in New Mexico And so I. I didn't return into New Mexico into law school actually so I did my undergraduate on the East Coast and a master's degree But when I was in Fort Worth I was already writing. I think I wrote my first I would say my first science fiction short story when I was in seventh grade. I always joke about. We had a science if I answer report and we were supposed to like is some very dry facts about the planets like you know how big they are and how far apart they are and that sort of thing and I turned added into this very dramatic telling of this astronaut doing research. Who for some reason? I can't remember now to like commit suicide by driving giving into the sun at the end so it was very much like tell my wife and kids I love them. You know dead and I turned that in for my science project checked and my that is impressed as I had been with my own work and I think I gotta be a B. Plus or something because because that was not the assignment but Yeah you know from there. I was hooked and I've been sort of writing my own stuff every since I kind I only got serious about writing. I just did if my own pleasure I was a practicing attorney for ten years before that I was A computer programmer programmer. Actually for ten years and Just writing was in the background. It was just something that I love to do for myself. I never even thought about getting published Until about two thousand and sixteen when I decided to take it a little more seriously now Did you show. You're you're writing to your friends when you're writing as a young writer. I often ask that question because it's something. I urge young writers to do when I'm teaching writing because it's the way to find out if you can tell stories that people back. Apparently your teacher was not completely impressed with your first effort. Did you share your stories with other people so in eighth grade. I had a great great eighth grade English teacher and we actually did a group novel like each week. You know came up with the whole story as a class. And then we each were responsible for chapter and It was I don't know there were some. I gotTA dominated the as I recall a lot of the The world building. 'cause I was really into it and there was an smugglers and there were some You know sort of Galactic police said this sort of thing and I definitely share shared that one I probably over shared that I fought morstead on people and then am all through high school or at least my last couple of years of high school. I guess I was as an editor for our creative writing magazine. And so not only did I get to do some editing and which was basically like picking what stories we're going to be in a magazine but I put a lot of my work into that as well and a lot of that was poetry or short fiction. Like excerpts of you know I I don't know what you would call vignettes or something maybe a little flash fiction but I don't think we called it back then but yes I think those years I was always sharing probably probably over sharing and then I'm I guess for some of my time I had a friend who wrote as well. And we you would share stories like she would write something we'd be critiqued partners But only for fun and it was never really serious But I was never I I about showing my work per se. Well I was also interested when you you didn't study writing but what you studied is very interesting because you received a B in religious studies from Yale and a masters in theology from Union theological seminary. That's an interesting background for a science fiction fantasy writer as that fed into into your work. You're going forward and a law degree to at least with a law degree. You certainly use a lot of words being a lawyer. I have my nieces lawyer. So and she started as an English major so has all contributed to writing. Do you think you know as we'll get to travel. Lightning there is a lot actually really Cool stuff in trail of lightning. So that definitely did I talk about checkerboard lands and things like that and that is all real You know I think. The Religious Studies Theology degree. Probably feed into my world building more than I realized and probably Affect what it is that I like to talk about. You know like I like to talk about Sort of the gods in Sort of spiritual or spirituality and things things like that and religion and those are my interests. So I'm sure they feed into my work probably more than I realized. I think someone on twitter twitter wants that was like once she found out I had gotten those degrees she was like. Oh that makes so much more sense. Now what does that mean. She did tell because he's like I don't like to critique people based on who they are with a story to stand on its own but she felt that that gave her some sort of insight so I guess so and then when you residual lawyer for ten years but we're longer there did you start trying to get published in. How did that happen? How did you break in the question so I was A practicing attorney with small child And that was just and I think at the time. Actually I was in private practice. I later started to work for the government and that's a better gig but The Hours were insane. You know I had a small child and so I actually not written for quite a while but just sort of keep myself sane and to give myself something that I just love to do a Saudi Brian again. And then I found out about Nanno. Rhino Saimaa Raimondo story. A lot of ways I joined the local all know why my group here who would meet twice a week and just right you know we would just sit at the coffee shop right and I loved it and it gave me a schedule and it kept me sort of pushing forward And then after Manorama was over there were three or four folks in the group that wanted to keep meeting. Wine was a romance author. She'd been J. like seven books One was more of an academic writer and one was a self published Writer and I was like sure you know. Let me join in your group Even though I had done nothing they let me neither group and they became i. I sort of writing group my first critique group and I wrote the book With a you know long where you know that group and when I was done they were like you know you should try to get this published. I was like really you think I don't know I just wrote this flood. And they're like no no no. It's good you should try to get it published. How Senate at out the slash rush Yeah I know I knew nothing about publishing. I knew I had done some research on agents And I knew which agents you you know I was sort of interested in and I sent it out and it got picked up so there was no sort of magic to. It'd I just did it the old fashioned way so the novel came first before you sold any short fiction. The novel came. I I throw that in two thousand sixteen Like August two thousand sixteen and then In two thousand seventeen Apex magazine put out a call for indigenous fantasists indigenous science fiction fantasy. And I thought oh I should try to get into that. I should write a short piece. Said get it published and maybe that will help get my name out because the book it takes a year and a half slur book to come out and you know the trail of lighting wasn't gonNA come out until two thousand eighteen. I should I should try to get short story published And you know I thought thought maybe ten fifteen people would read it. I thought it would just be cool. And that got picked up and that went rather well so yeah actually came after the book. That's a little different for most riders. Experience you have enough ago I start selling fictions wanted to mention it Okay well let's We'll we'll talk about trail of lightning at well. I guess the whole series but that's that that was the first book as I said to you. I somehow managed to schedule a whole bunch of interviews almost on top of each other so I haven't been able to read everybody's books to the end as much as I would like but I I have read a considerable portion of it so I know something about it. But we'll I'll let you Give A synopsis of trail of lightning and the setup for the whole series without spoiling anything for people who haven't finished the book like me Yeah So trail of lightning takes place in sort of a near future. Ah after a climate apocalypse where sort of all the world has sort of gone to hell Except for the South West of of the Americas basically And specifically the book takes place on the Navajo Nation which is now the NATO risen and has become sort of a power player in the region along with some other Places like new Denver and the Mormon Kingdom and we follow A woman almond air who is a monster slayer because with sort of climate apocalypse all the Gods and heroes and monsters traditional Navajo stories have risen up and now walked the land like Coyote and other folks. You might not be familiar with but you will be when she read the book And it is her job to sort of hey survive and be fight the with the help of her sidekick who is a very unconventional medicine man. Okay and it's It is a very interesting wresting setup and an interesting character as well so how did the idea for comer I. That's that's another cliche. Where do you get your ideas? What was the seed for this book as you're working working with his Writing Group and this was what she worked on a Nano Raimondo. Was it or was this. This is what I worked on for. Manorama oh okay. So how did the idea come about. Yeah so I'm a huge urban fantasy fan You know I always say that. I sort of drifted away from fantasy from all that wheel of time and stuff like that for a long time particularly through college Because really speak to me anymore. I didn't feel like I saw myself. Salfan in all those questing farmboys and everything and it just sorta got a little little dull for me So I set aside fantasy for awhile but then the One day I was an airport somewhere are just looking for a random book and I came across Actually a Laurel K Hamilton. And if you don't know her she writes the Anita Blake Vampire hunters city and I picked up the book and this is one earlier book in in a series of the the later books. Get a little not to my taste. But the early books are great. Picked it up Not knowing what it was about or who she was and I read back and it was something like we'll Anita Blake. Choose between her vampire lover or her. We're Wolf Lover and I was like I don't know bovine I'm about to find out I'm amazed eighty. Let you write that and like it was all the shelf right at the at the airport and I could just pick it up So I did. And that's how I sorta discovered urban fantasy and from there I went on to all sorts of other authors like alona Andrews and folks like that and just sort of fell over this genre of these like strong women who are at the center of the story kind of like kick ass and take on the supernatural but at the same time. Have these sort of complicated lives. I thought that was a Lotta Fun and so that was really my inspiration John for trail of lightning. I wanted to write an urban fantasy but I wanted to write it In an indigenous setting with an indigenous Pantheon Pantheon essentially coming from traditional stories or miss And then I wanted All the characters and the places and all of that to be indigenous agenices well. Because what you do you have a lot of urban fantasy or not a lot but there are a few is. You often have a character. That's half native but they don't. They're not particularly native in. You know the way. They their worldview or the way to the story plays out. That's just gonNA flavoring I guess and also The only way that they're Nader's that they're shaped shifter's and I was like well. We're not going to do that. I wanted it to be something that felt real to me as an indigenous woman I wanted it to be the people in the play X.'s. And the things that I knew and that I had experienced But you know fantasy so that the story came from and also coming urban fantasy a lot of that you know it's like if you have that character there in some big city somewhere and that's just just something in their past but this is actually set is not really urban city right. Yeah this is okay. It's fantasy So how did you go about Well actually before I get to that question. Is that sort of where all of your story ideas have come from or you've written short stories. Now you're writing star wars too so you know in Edward General Sense. How do story ideas come to you? Gosh you know I think for a writer. Part of our job is to just be observant and So it can come story. Ideas can come from anywhere they can come from the news. They can come from overheard conversation They can come from a bookie read. That's bad you WanNa do it better I actually I asked. The influence question wants to like John. Scott I was on a panel moderating trading Mike. Tom's Kalsi and a bunch of other folks And I asked what are your ideas. Come from me all grown do you know about it. Did they got talkie They realized that everyone of them had written at least one book because they had read another book that they got it wrong. So I'm right my book as a correction and I was like so Yeah I think they can come from anything. Often songs songs are very influential will often find a song that really captures a mood or spirit that I want to convey. I'll try to turn that into two words well on the reacting to other works. It's often said that science fiction fantasy are John veteran conversation with themselves. Because we're all reacting acting to what we've read in the past and what we're reading now what other people are doing things we like and things we don't like so I don. I can't think of one that I've written specifically the right. I was trying to do. Somebody's ladies you know to my version. Something I didn't like but I'm sure I'm sure that figures into it somewhere. Yeah even if it's subconscious. I think we're always SORTA Boorda reacting like you said like. Oh you know I see it done this way. Let me do it this way you know. So what does your planning process. Look like Your Synopsis Sizing Outlining however it works for you to do a detailed outline do you Kind of just wing it and upset look for you. We'll tell it really depends on the book. I I think the first book Because I was just writing for myself and I didn't really know what I was doing. Quite frankly There was no outline that was much more pants or kind of book and I think you can tell And for better or worse The second book in that series a trail of lightning lightening storm of locus was outlined much better But what I did was I wrote the beginning and then I wrote the end and then I decided what needed to be in the middle to get me from the beginning to the end and then I wrote that for books like Star Wars you have to create a very detailed online and then it has to be approved by six people at Lucasfilm Villa del Rey. Okay and so you really get the the opportunity to wing it out for that one. Yes I wrote a probably A. I don't know a twin page outline I'm in I knew exactly what I was going to write And you have a little time to write it. The turnaround time is pretty crazy So that actually helped They they know what they're doing exactly so I guess it really varies and you know for this this epic fantasy that I'm writing. I have a very detailed outline because I have a lot of voices to manage and I have a lot of Plants is world building. He is much more massive And so I think if I wasn't organized I personally would get lost. It would be difficult and speaking of world building and planning I. There must be a considerable amount of research going into these books as a fair statement. Oh Yes sir no trail of lightning. I wrote what I knew. I know that world I lived on an aberration organization. My husband has now gone family so I didn't actually do a whole lot of research for that. Mike confirmed some things that I knew about the the stories and things like that like character named and how to spell things You know there's always different versions of stories all across Kaz too huge reservation And then you know what I wanted to fantasize and I had mentioned before that you know I had practiced law actually on the Navajo nations. So a lot of the Little things like jurisdiction and checkerboard land. And things like that. I knew from you know by practice so so when I put those stories I didn't have to do research for that. I knew it but star wars. They actually did a ton of research because the vast universe and you want to do things right and they do have folks that Lucasfilm who live in grease. He's the Star Wars Universe so that's very helpful. And then I think for this epic fantasy that I'm writing doing quite a bit of research is vo now What does your actual writing process? Look like are you a sit down for the certain number of hours a day at your desk type typing kind of writer or do you like like right with a quill pen on a parchment underneath a tree. I need to write that day. What is most effective differ me as I am good in the early hours and the late hours but that time being I am so I think what you need to do is discover when you're at your best and win your imagination sort of lags so all right maybe in the mornings from I'll drop my daughter off at school and then let's let's say right from eight to twelve? I know Mike Twelve to four. It's going to be like slogging through mud. I mean the words might come but they're not going to be as good and they're just it's not gonna it's GonNa be hard So often I'll take that time. That's when I do my emails or do other. Things run errands. Whatever needs to get done that that day and then I will pick up if I have time at four but if not often I will wait till my daughter is in bed and start again and right from like nine the twelve or tend to or something like that so that's one of the first step and then if I need speed I will sketch out out the scene beforehand on paper Like pen and paper so that I know what it is that I wanna right so I'm not trying to think about what I'm you know. Come up with ideas when I'm typing. I'm typing to get everything done but I already know what I'm GonNa say Saw Sketch out the scene. You know put in some some important dialogue or things I know but I will know you know how the scene works where the reversal is. WHO's involved where it said all of that stuff before I I start typing I wanted to ask you about the voice of the of the book? He wrote it in First Person Why did you choose person in what what appeals to you about that that point of view? Yeah so not My books books are in First Person Trello threatening and like that series clearly is not andy epic fantasy is not what First person is that you often find in Urban fantasy so that sort of makes sense. I was also so writing a very difficult character. I think that Maggie. Who is the main character is a challenge A lot of people don't like her. Yeah no I think you know. She doesn't even like herself very much at the beginning of the book right so oh and she's a killer And so I felt that if I were gonNA create a character like that and I was Gonna ask the reader to come along with me in needed to be in first person. You need to see her. It'd be in her head and have her perspective on things or I don't think it would work as well. Yeah I think she. She was a third person character. She would be really hard to warm up to She would be very scary. I think is third person without subway into her head to see how she feels in his thinking about things So what does your revision process. Look like when you've got a a draft done. Do a complete rewrite right from the beginning or do you kind of rewrite as you go or how does that work for you I added as I go normally. What I'll do is is Reid however much I'm writing that day I usually have some sort of word. Count Gold generally And how I get to that. Is I know what my deadline is. I sort of divide that up How many words Rene to get to that deadline and then that is sort of the goal but knowing that I'm GonNa Miss Days I don't write every single day? Sometimes something happens and you just can't are. Sometimes your brain just says No. Oh and you can't So yes I have that in mind. I'll write every day That is on my I scheduled tried to get to it then. The next morning I will review what I've written do a light edit and then start with whatever the next thing is and so on and so forth so by the time I finished draft it is at least been edited once And then I'll go through and like do a norm another edit you you know likely But I do not. Well this epic fantasy. I am doing a rewrite. This is my first time to do this but all the other books. I have not done a rewrite. I edit as I go and I try to draft pretty clean But this one is just the whole story has changed so i. I'm having to do a rewrite. And then once it reaches your editor of they are kind of things if they asked you to To do that there's have there there's been changes or they're pretty happy with it. Or how does that work for you. or they tend to be pretty happy with it. Because I do sort of you know planet planet out I'm trying to think you know. Probably the most heavily edited book. I had actually is the Children's book Because that was my I children's book and It's the required an imprint. And they know what they want you know they know exactly what kind of story they want. and it is very hard to write for children. It's much harder to write for children than it is for adults in my opinion Because children don't come with experiences. They don't come loyd disorder set of things references that you can make that they will pick up on until you don't have to spell everything out for kids you have to rethink. Oh I remember there was one edit Where in my children's book there's this bodyguard it gets left behind to watch over the Protagonists she's in trouble and I had said something like you know she. She's waiting by the car or something and my editor came came back with this whole list of questions. About what is she doing by the car. Why would she do that was should she come inside if it's again and all I was like wow you know really we really thinking hard about this throwaway you know like seed but those are the kinds of questions kids want answered? You can't leave them hanging I so I had to bring her in the House and I on the Sofa and read a magazine and you know in bats because kids need that concrete sort of storytelling and they will eat. What what you say so you have to be? You know you have to. You have to believe what you say is well because you might be there. I sort of experience of particular incident or a particular idea and so and they take that to heart. So you really have to be more aware of your words talk on the reference side. I have a young adult series called the shards excalibur and the second book. It's changed publishers. But the original publisher had a very young editor. She was probably twenty one or twenty two or something like that and I had made some reference to somebody look like they had come from a Dallas steamed Costume party because the way they redressed and she said what is Dallas except a city in Texas and I said Okay first of all you're very young but secondly you're absolutely right right because no teenagers can get that reference likely so so yes it is very different. I was going to ask you about the the the Children's book. Can you tell me a little bit more about that. And you said required and I always say Rick reordered but you probably know better than I. It is a it is a long I but Yeah so it is sort of a kids version of trail of lightning. I guess for the Middle Grade so eight to twelve at at age group It focuses on seventh-grader Nizhny began. Who can see monsters and no one else around her can Dan and These sort of your typical seventh-grader which means she's kind of a mess She wants to be popular but she's not what she wants to be athletic but he's not And so she's sort of fighting. You know that sort of stuff like how to be cool how to get like some of the Internet net and at the same time. Her mother has left Her father is sort of a an artist type. UIS SORTA like doesn't really really pay close attention to what her and her brother do And so when monsters show up and threatened family. It's sort of up to her to step up and save the day and then along the way it explores a lot of nabucco traditional stories She has to follow in the footsteps of Navajo Heroes In order to to get some magical weapons and the bad guy Sounds like It does sound very much like a middle grade version of trail of lightning. The rain. Hopefully the immigrated leaders and young adult readers of that will go on to be the the the adults series as they get older warble. Baker had great critical response. Obviously and you know one or two award nominations and stuff like that along the way were you. Were you surprised by the reaction that the book when it came out. Were you happy. How how did you feel about that? So I was completely surprised prized I like I said before I didn't know anything about publishing. I didn't know about the field and professional sense So I wasn't really familiar with a lot of the awards and everything I mean I was from the floor clearly when when my short fiction fiction did well But I did not really. I thought it would be sort of a niche book. I thought there'd be a certain kind of person who liked it and So yeah I it was all pretty shocked GIG and pretty exciting. I mean clearly But the fact that that got published to begin with that I could write a book like that in a big five publisher would pick it up and then for it to do as well as it did As it gets pretty amazing wrong well. Let's say it's a pretty amazing list of awards and award nominations. You you picked up for sure. Well I went to go go to the big Philosophical Questions Well it's really one question. I always ask which is why you right. And then subsidiary to that why do you specifically right the kind of thing that you right and on an even broader level. Why do you think any of us write stories of the fantastic but start with you? Why do you right right? I think I write to keep myself sane. I think that's where it started I am a much nicer happier person Jason. When I'm writing this asked my husband? He will attest but Yeah I mean I I write because I have stories and I did not see a lot of my stories the kind of stories I wanted l.. I saw none. Actually let me rephrase that Out there in the world and so I think that's why I what I do right Because I feel like those stories need to be told and no one is telling them I think those readers and need a chance to see themselves in stories and and no one is giving them that And so I'm excited to be able to do that Fantastic oh ooh Because I'm a huge fan of it I mean. I think that's what I prefer to read. That's what I read growing up. That was what I constantly. I mean have always read I find books Literary realism type books tend to not be my thing. I tend to tap out. So why fantastic is the genre that I love that sense of possibility and antastic the world building Those are all the things that really appeal to me. And what do you think is the urge for all of us to to right. Then tell these kinds kinds of stories. Where do you think that urge comes from God? I don't know I think that's like a bigger human urge. I can't think of like a culture or a time I'm when there weren't stories of the fantastic you know whether they were used to sort of explain the world around us or whether they were used purely to entertain or a little a bit of both Because I don't think you could people would listen to your you know a preaching about the world around you unless you were entertaining right These stories rays of heroes and monsters and villains and and these sort of large scale epic stories The characters. There's no I think it's just part of who we are as humans. I don't people who aren't Yep This podcast is of course called world-shapers and you sort of touched on this a little bit. I think it's safe to say the shaping the world is a bit grand. I mean very few service actually shaped the entire world in fiction or any sort of writing but certainly we can reach out to specific readers and touch them in some fashion and influence influence. How they think is? Is that something you hope you have done. And we'll do as you continue to right. Yeah absolutely I mean I. I know that Because I have been sent emails and been told at readings and stuff that It's a pretty big deal for indigenous woman To write in this genre and especially something like Star Wars And so I have had readers. Tell me that it's a big deal to them You know oftentimes especially kids. They might read a story with a native character but to have a native author right. A story is a whole `nother level of what you can do. I guess my feeling when I saw Earl K Hamilton. You could do they let you do and so for them though. Is You know it's often ever like wow. I didn't even know that was an option. Didn't even know that was a possibility. And that you know is is the world to me if I can inspire a whole truckload of other native and black girls girls and boys two and two right. Then that's that's amazing more than I can ask for we've it's interesting. I live in Saskatchewan schedule. And and There's a first nations. Also a lawyer Harold Johnson Who wrote a climate climate fiction novel said in northern Scotland where basically the north becomes a powerhouse because of all the climate refugees fleeing to to the north And you know I was on a panel with him. Actually when we're on the street in Saskatoon and hear some of that same echo and what he is said and what you're saying is sort of setup to to to my book I have not read him for the record but Ah That's probably a thing that a lot of indigenous people think about so that's not surprising. He's an interesting very interesting right. I mean he's not primarily. By Eddie means a speculative fiction writer But he does do some of course. It's all through Canadian publishes. You'd be unlikely to of run across but wanted to look him up. You might find him interesting and Harold Harold Johnson There's also another Cheryl Johnson. WHO's a game designer? I think that's not him. I wanted to talk a little bit about the epic fantasy. That's coming up. Because that's my next question rushing water you working on now So what is that all about. Yeah so I can't say much because I am in a rewrite so who knows but It has a title it does not the title because I have written version of it. I'm just rewriting that now so so I'm not sure what's going to stay in what's GonNa go But generally I wanted to write an epic fantasy sort of in that vein of you know the epic fantasy that we're familiar with but focused on the America's like cultures like sort of Cultures that reflect our you know sort of parallel well in a secondary world cultures of the Americas And so my ancestors the central Pueblo and Lived in places like chuckle. Oh Canyon and Mesa Very which are big in the American southwest? I don't know if everybody knows about them. And they were previously called on a Sasi we moved away from that term And now we refer to them as in central Pablo wins but Sort of these cities That were you know. Sort of obsessed with astronomy and you know tracking the heavens And and were centers of both religious A religious it. Just centers and trade centers as I'm very interested in sort of the trade networks and Cahokia and Mesa verdy and the classical in period and creating a world sort of centered around those cultures but in a secondary world. Clearly this is fantasy I had an opportunity. I guess it was when World Con- was in Denver. I think and then we went on down to New Mexico which is the first time I've been down their ages Went to Albuquerque and then we went to. I can't remember the name of the park with a two but it was one with the cliff dwellings and being fascinated by by that culture and especially the fact that all that trade with with other cultures at the time so it sounds like it'll be a very interesting setting for for a fantasy novel and if you WanNa look even further down the road how do you see your writing career developing over the next few ears. What you hope for God? Well I'm under another three book deal with Sega so there will be two more books in the six world series For a total of four. I'll have twitter sky And hopefully we'll start a new series. We'll see how that until we see the sales numbers what they'll do for you and then I'm going to other projects that I can't talk about yet because publishing pushing is all about you know keeping secrets for a year But I think I'm going to be writing for quite a while and I'm I'm thrilled. I I feel very honored at very lucky to be able to do that. So yeah and where can people find you online They can find me on my website at Rebecca Ronin Horse Dot Com. I'm also on twitter at Roan Horse. Beck's that's grown horse in an the x And I usually stop in on facebook But it is not my favorite sorry facebook and I would be facebook CON DOT COM. MM slash ruined more specs this now all right. Well I think we'll do it so Thanks so much for being a guest on on the road shapers android. The hope you did too thank you. Yeah I absolutely bye for now. So thanks once again to Rebecca Roan Horse for being my guest on this episode. That was a great conversation. I enjoyed it a lot and I hope you did too. I should mention that the podcast is also easily available online. You can find it at its website. The World SHAPERS DOT COM. You you can also find it on twitter at the world shapers and it's on facebook Feud look up the world shapers podcast. You'll find it and you will also find the new FACEBOOK group which is designed for people who listened to the podcast to get together and talk about episodes if they so choose. If you'd like to join that group look for it on facebook and and the more the merrier. You can also find me on the Internet of course at Edward Willett Dot Com E. W. A. R. D. W. I l. l. e. t. t. dot com and you can find me on twitter at e Willett and on facebook at Edward Don Willett. Now as I mentioned off the top the world shapers is part of this sketchy when podcast network and we are supported by connects us. Credit Union connects credit. Union is all about their members improving their financial natural wellbeing. Drives everything they do. And that's not just something they say it's a promise that's delivered by over nine hundred employees across Saskatchewan. Their employees are members to and they've been there so they are committed to making your money work for you. The banking industry needs to change and connects. US is changing it for everyone because connects this cares visit connects dot ca to learn more and that brings us to the end of another episode of the world shapers. I hope that you will come back back to hear more great Conversations with science fiction and fantasy authors among those who are coming up Mary Robinson Co will be the next one. Candice this chain Dorsey Jeffrey Carver. Ira Name and I interviewed Heli Kennedy who wrote Orphan black or for black the next chapter and has also written some orphan black comic books. She's an actress screenwriter and author. So that was an interesting conversation that'll be coming up before too long Others who've agreed to take part in the future future include Tim Powers Barbara Hambly and I missing someone important. Matthew Hughes we go oh end Esam Kim Sterling. So I've got a lot of great guests lined up and I hope you'll come back and hear the conversations with them as well as we continue as I continue to talk to Science fiction in fantasy authors about the world they have created the characters they have created to live in those worlds and the adventures that we have all enjoyed so much by those characters actors in those words. That's it for this time for now aw
"Weirdo book worms unite. Do your reading tastes range from two pm scifi to middle grade fantasy dark psychological thrillers to gory body horror from why a paranormal swords and sorcery extraterrestrials murder beyond. Then we want to share our love of reading with you. welcome home. He john junkies at sandra. And this is scott and guess what it's episode one hundred so we decided we would do something a little different for our one hundredth episode and just kind of chat kind of reintroduce you to the show if you're new or you've joined fairly recently or if you've been with us from the beginning you just don't quite remember that's fine to talk a little bit about ourselves and some of the books kelo trip down memory lane. It's been three years since we started the show. Eighteen nineteen twenty four years. I was going to say it's been four years since we started this show. And we've we've reviewed so many books and things have morphed and changed and so we're just gonna kinda kinda celebrate this with all of you who've kind of helped make this show happen. Yeah yeah so. Thank you all for being here whether you're a first timer or a grizzled veteran of the john junkies wars. We really appreciate you being here in only interaction. You guys give us. You can always interact with us more on social media. Send us Messages on well instruments. Really probably the best way instagram. Or sending us an email and all of that contact who is of course on our site but on on instagram. Where john that's easy to find. We got that one early. Lock that down. So let's see. I guess let's start with just talking a little bit about how we review how that process has kind of changed over time. What do you think yeah absolutely you start okay so you do it one of the one of the things that we figured out pretty early on in the process is we wanted the books that we review to be presented in such a way where it gets into the right people's hands that's our main goal is to even if we don't like a book we kinda talk about what we like and what we don't like about it so that hopefully if you're kind of like whatever reader like that'll spark something for you. I think that that writing books and reading books as an important thing. One of the most important things in this world. And i don't want to be one of the people who you know just puts down a book in in and make it sound almost like it doesn't it shouldn't exist because yeah i mean it's a little different like i mean i try to. I try really hard to not be incredibly mean when i review movies icon spooky. Some party the coach show but reviewing movies is a little bit different than reviewing books. It really is. Because i mean a lot of people put a lot of work and time into movies and i really appreciate that but with books. It's it's a little more raw. It's a little more intimate of the moment and it's kind of like no. You might not like something or maybe somebody has a subject. That's super problematic to you. But unless somebody's actively hurting people with their writing then generally speaking. You might not be vibing with you. 'cause you're just not the intended audience but there is somebody out there who as long on as you're not hurting people not. We don't believe in censorship either. But you know it'll be like some sort of an asshole or something so yes true every rule right and there have been books in the past that we have decided that we were going to review. We started reading it and we decided that we were not the right people to review book. And that's what a lot of people do like book tubers especially you know you kind of like. Sometimes you take chances but you kind of know what you like and you should take chances but you know what i mean like for me. I'm not a romcom person. So if i was like okay. I'm going to like you some romcom books. That'd be like really dumb. Because i'm not that audience and it's like well then what's the point of just reviewing something that i know. I'm not gonna like unlike romcom movies either. I think i think both of us at least one of us needs to appreciate the subject matter in a book. Appreciate what's being done for us to to really You know go after. It looks that we've started that you know outside of reviewing it to an audience and you know in the privacy of our own home that i would say wow. This book is terrible. We have enough definitely because why like why waste your time with something. That's like a a really bad thing to do. You have to have a little bit of leeway with that as a reviewer though because sometimes you do have to push yourself. it's a little bit of a tricky balance but by and large if we're like this person wrote this book in this book is poorly edited or it's poorly written which does happen. We're not going to like slam them on the ground and like curb stomp them. We're just kind of just going to not review the book. It's another reason why i do. Enjoy the memory of our review of the southern reach trilogy. But you'll never really see us review in that way again. Maybe the things i mean. I'm still willing to die on the hill. I love that chile about it all the time. I love it. And that's okay. Because then i can speak to that voice and we know that like weird fiction is not your thing but that's another reason why one of us at least has to enjoy the book. Which is why you're always going to see pretty good reviews from us in the books that we do bring to you because if we both felt the way that i felt about that trilogy It wouldn't have been a very fun episode and it wouldn't have been fair because clearly it even if we both felt the way i felt about that book. Yeah you did actually really love that trilogy. Which means it. It exists for the enjoyment of someone. Who just doesn't happen to be me right. And that's kind of like that's that's it exactly. That's totally the message. And like once you kind of start to know genres and sub genres. And i think we do and what we don't know we'll try and we'll research and we'll learn about it then you kind of like you know like you know what a good thing in this genre should represent. Yes does that make sense. Yes so we have two ways that we review we have the experience score so this is just like what was going on for you on this journey. Love that you hate that journey and it's it's this is truly the personal experience of a book and as scott. What are those categories. Please okay so the first one actually preface this really quickly. These some of these some of these do sound like a one through five kind of thing and and it started that way. But i don't feel like our experience store score has actually become that now. It's really more of a description of what it was like and let me explain. It starts with struggle the book. That's really hard for for one of us to get through but some of my favorite books that we have read the experience that i've had was struggle. It was real hard for me to get through it. It was really tough to swallow but that was what made it. Great right and it's kind of like that's the title and then your description of the experience is what makes it like. It was a struggle. Because you didn't like it or it was a struggle because it was emotional or whatever that's just kinda like that's just like the header. Yeah it's it's a nice little box that we can work inside so that you know we. It's easier for us to talk about. It's easier on a consistent weekly basis or biweekly basis when you listen to the episodes to understand and always remember to artists. Subjective and art should be discussed. It's a it's a thing it's a whole thing. It's what makes us individuals. It's what makes us people. It's what makes us lake culture so another another score we have for experience is book. Hello book i would argue that. This is probably the only one in here that is a arguably bad score. If it's coming from one of us right it basically means we weren't moved very much and if we're talking about you know that art should be discussed. That's kind of a bummer right. You're kind of like. I felt very neutral on a thing. Next up is the good read. Three this is a book that we really enjoyed reading. We really just we. We really liked it. Good yeah it's a good thing. Yeah i would say. An example of a good read is something that is really nice to pick up on. Read a little bit of and come back to it over time for example. Almost any comic book series as comes out would be a good read almost by necessity. Just because you don't have the next one available to you but it's a kind of a for me. A good rita something that's kind of a nice episodic style book that's like oh i'm i'm gonna i'm gonna lay back and relax and read read for thirty minutes this book and for me. I think that more like it's just. It's a good book unhappy. I read it. yeah Next up is the page turner so page turn. It can be a lot of things. Something can be a page turner. Because it's really good. Something can be a page turner. Because it stresses you out there are definitely books like i just have to finish this. This is i have to know how the because it's stressing me out too much. Some writers know how to structure book so that it's automatically a page turner but generally speaking page. Turner is a positive thing. Because it means you know if any if any form of media's job is to keep you engaged in it for a period of time then a page turner would be a really good thing right a- and then finally it's the obsession obsession is great and obsession is something that all book worms hope to achieve with. What they read rate that you'd love it. You're just obsessed with telling people about it you gush about it you. You want to get into people's hands. I suppose you could be obsessed with how much something bothered you. Be open to that experience. Yeah for me. Obsessed really falls into. I continue to think about it. Well after i've read it. I think about it in between reading sessions that One of my big One of my big tent poles for obsession is wake up in the middle of the night because of either had dreams slash nightmare. or just. because i'm i'm thinking about and i have to pick it up and read some more to like. Keep it in my system. Yeah obsession steph. Not the most exciting it is and again. None of our scores are are except for. Maybe book are bad. It's just it's just you know it's a okay and here's here's another example of when it comes to experience there are marvel movies. They are action packed. Thrill rides and then there are. There are romantic comedies. Which sandra's not a big fan of but still they're they're typically you know fun well paced. They're they're kind of page ternary quick kind of experiences like comparing the two completely different styles different experiences in. They're meant to be yes but one is not better. Be like marvel is better than romantic comedies. Because it's a thrill ride right them. They're better because of either how they are pieced together. And the talmadge of the author and the editor specially the author or they're good because the subject matter or the characters appeal to you so speaking of appeal. Yeah so don't we have. The appeal. Score appeals score even though the categories have not changed is probably what i feel like has changed the most as far as how we view it over the past four years. Would you agree with that interesting interesting. I think i see what you mean. Let me explain how i see it and maybe you can tell me if you see a little bit differently Appeal score is four different categories. There's nisha general broad and mass. I think you'll agree with me. Sandra we thought it was really important for our scoring system to not really talk about if book was good or bad. Yeah that's going to be subjective to you and and for the most and you know those four those four categories. I think you kind of can understand in your head right away. What those mean. But the way that i think i feel like it's really evolved. In my head niche is really a book that's four lovers of the john mara or even sub genre of the book that we're reading Even some people who listened to our show might not necessarily be interested in the book if they're not interested in that genre whereas general is if you're listening to the show you are john junkie and this is something that will interest you right. You probably are at least interested in the john. Maybe you're not which is fine. But like if you don't like sci fi then it's not going to make you like sci fi but if you like to dabble between different genres. That's why here. Yeah that's why you're here in so if it's a general appeal then that's something that that will interest you. Broad is not just. Oh you're listening to this show. You should check it out. Even if it's not in your normal wheelhouse brought his usa check it out and you should let your friends know right. It's just opening that audience up a little bit more Like where people who you know again. It's probably not reinventing the wheel. You're gonna turn over the sudden new leaf but it's it's big and then mass is exactly that that's everybody. It's harry potter. It's that's the thing that i always come to it's it's twilight well. I get what you mean. It's things that like people from all different genre loving readers like people who normally just not think. Oh i'm not into that sort of book will like it is a good way to put up and then our final scorer at the end of our spoiler sections honestly. It's for fun. it's more for fun. I mean obviously if you're listening to this play section you either don't have an interest in the book or you're just for whatever reason you're just down to here where it's at And so sometimes we make it up it on something in the book you know like severed thumbs or whatever whatever the case may be and just give it a that out of that and kind of like just wrap up our final thoughts. Yeah it gives. It gives us the ability. If there's a book that really didn't work for for us individually for one of us individually to still go out on a limb and and say hey. This is a good book. I you know it may have been a struggle for me. You know. I may think that it's a niche that. It's a niche book. And i can say that didn't really work for work for me but still say but you know what it's still five star books just not for me right exactly. Does this the wrap up. I guess yeah. So that's how we review just in case you forgot kinda changed over time and maybe you're new here. It sounds complicated. Or it's a lot of steps. It's actually not and i think we do a pretty good job of explaining why each book while we feel it falls into certain things so don't be scared and all of this is on our website. It's the very first pinpoint cheat sheet. You just go right there and look at it and trust has every time we have like guests on the show they always have to look at it because we're the only ones that remember but it just helps us kind of like put our thoughts into nice little bite size pieces for you so next who the heck are we. Who are these people. You know us you love us. Do you really know really no less. So all let me just start by saying Scott married We were married. We've been married for a long time before we started the show. We've been together for a long time before we were married for really von. We've been caged together too long together too long. So that's us and we're friends and we both really like reading and this was something fun that we could do together and share and that also we can you know help promote reading and help promote the types of books that we like to read You know we've we talked about it a little bit that. There's been times in our lives as readers that people think we should be reading. Certain types of books are only certain types of books are worthy. Only certain types of books are art or culture and things are like a of time and we're big fans of you should just read anything and everything that interests you know. I don't like wrong calms but go find a romcom channel out there about since you want to hear about you know what i mean like. I would never like shame people because the genres like and we liked to read all kinds of different things. I mean really. Horror sci fi fantasy. Those are kind of the broad topics there and there's lots of sub off that we also like thrillers and a little true crime on occasion and some different. Like i don't know just kind of like mystery things but basically that's a weird fiction you know it's reading stuff that it doesn't have to just be what everybody else's reading or doesn't have to be always a work of what is considered literary merit. I ran into a lot of that. I think everyone has that person in their life. If you're a reader who just encourage you to read everything no matter what it was. And i think a lot of us have someone in our life who said. Oh that's but that's like the science fiction book. that's what they especially mike down horror. Yeah four is probably the most. And i'll just say based on our listener base and what we hear from you and i think a lot of you are in that horror as well. There's a lot of us that lake were just like all fans of different reading genres where people from all walks of life and different experiences That kind of leads me to the the next part is we read what we want to read basically I think that's the most important thing we do. Actively try to include women authors and we try to be mindful of including people of color. And like if you're different like gender identity we want to always be reading more diversely and it's not always easy because it's not always easy to find those author's books or if they get published but we're always actively trying to find that stuff in what we re to and to find good representation as well because it's you know we don't want to just read the same straight white people written by the same white. Do like over and over again. That's not the point. You know. Sandra said it herself. It's not easy to necessarily find the real the the good novels that are written by by some marginalized groups and that's not to say that they're not out there. There's lots of them and yes we were. We're trying to put in the effort and get that in there and be part of the solution. Be part of the engine. That actually makes it easier to find these right and you know maybe if you're somebody that hasn't read divers were for some reason you're like oh i just didn't notice diverse characters or not. We'll think about that and to think about like what that means and to acknowledge in notice diversity. I it's very important and reading helps you expand your mind. It helps you be a more compassionate person it helps you be more intelligent person so you should be. You should be pushing yourself to to think about it in a more political context. I guess art political as well it. Just as as part of the reason why we started dipping our toes into not just horror sci fi and fantasy. Our show is no longer just about those three genres. Right we've we've been having discussion of actually doing a bit of a romcom know if i'm ready. I had gone on record saying that. I would do like i'd be more interested in reading late. Quitter rom coms specifically. They still and i still am. But i'm also chest. I'm worried i worry that i'm just going to be like that's the only thing i like is the where people in it and that. That'll be the whole episode. And then i just sit there with crickets. you know. that's a fair point and and we do have we will take that into account as we read it and because we're not going to have our first romantic comedy with queer characters on the show and then say how much we don't like. That was the only nice thing i can say about. It is that there was this represents and that's cool so i guess we should also give you a little bit about ourselves as well as people We hope that you get to know us through our episodes and we tried to infuse. Like you know our little round table and that you know our tastes and you know our likes and dislikes that you trust us as reviewers and you know to an extent as people. So that you're like i know that type of stuff that sandra lakes and other type of stuff that scott likes so you trust us to when we give our opinions. How we're kind of steering the conversation for myself. Horror is definitely my big big love of my life movies and books and everything in between Basically i like horror. And i like disney those like the movies and i watched. That's not true. I like some crime dramas and stuff in there as well but for the most part. That's kind of my wheelhouse. And i love fantasy specially dark fantasy portal fantasy Sifi i prefer even a massive star wars fan. I prefer my scifi to be a little bit more on the speculative end Or on the dystopia end On the kind of the struggle of what it means to be human thing cadillac or things to do with time travel and like manipulation of time and space more so than space operas. But i have liked plenty of books that take place on ships and it's shocked me how much i've come to like some stuff that takes place on ships. I started in like reviewing many moons ago back when everybody had a blog. I had a blog and i just love horror movies so much and it just wanted to talk about them so i had a little blog and i would review things and that plug led me to be on the bloodlust bloodlust and so then i got to write a pretty much weekly for them and you know several things a month. And then i started doing guest spots on the podcast for the blood lust and then i really kind of you have not listened to sandra stint with the bloodlust. Doing our log does not judge which was talking about the most recent season of twin peaks. Turn yeah you're missing out. It's worth it it. We had a lot of fun because we just love twin peaks Yeah it was. That was really good time. And so then like i kind of really took like a shine to it and i listened to a little bit of podcast before them but it wasn't super into it and so scott has been like an early adapter to podcasts. Son he's like. You're really good at this and i love podcast so i think we should do this. And that's how we can of formed genre junkies so yeah besides that i've been a lifetime reader especially anything scary goosebumps. Are you any scary stories. Telling the any sort of babysitters super chillers always my favorite. My family always big readers. I like to say that religion is bibliophile. Just and that's just when people around you read. Sometimes that's what gets you to be reader. I think oftentimes like it's just normal. We'd be watching a tv show you re during the commercial breaks or we're going to go someplace we'll bring a book with you like in case you have to wait somewhere or whatever the whatever. The case may be always book always a book on us at least one and just getting really used to like reading is what you do and it's only like a thing you do. It's something that brings you a lot of joy and a lot of comfort and a lot of self care time. Yeah so. I'm i'm obsessed with reading as much as i love watching movies and tv. Show that i like if i could all music. If i can only pick one thing it'd be reading light. That's what i need to live. I couldn't read. i might as well be dead. That is what you would take on a deserted island is just. Yeah well a little about me. I also grew up reading. My mom very often had a book in her hand. I am however a very different style of reader from sandra. I am the kind of person who will lay down on a cot and of sticky. I have a specific memory. That i m channeling for this but i will lay down on the cot and read a book cover to cover and that's my day. That's that's my kind of reading where i will go You know out before. We started the show. I would go weeks and i wouldn't read a book and then i would just blast through four five books in the course of two weeks and And i read every day and you read everyday. The reading during commercials blows my mind. I can't speak. I can't change. I can't like change my focus that quickly. I also read usually at least two three weeks at a time. Yeah we've got your sleep book. You've got your honor junkies book if you've got fun but i am a one book at a time kind of person. Now i grew up mainly reading fantasy and fi Things like orson. Scott card dune lord of the rings into spread prince. Prime was actually a little bit of the latest thing for me. Yeah exact materials. His dark materials was a huge formative series. For me which i've talked about in the past and i did not read any horror until i met sandra so just like sandra has kind of realized her love for some books that feature ships in space. I have realized a love for a number of horror books. Yea but you know. Some of that orson scott card short fiction pretty scary sometimes and i'm not just talking about his political views which i mean everybody knows. He's a trash bag human being but that doesn't mean he hasn't spun a good yard his day. Just don't buy them new by mused steel on steel. Don't worry no no no to steal them. Online don't still books online. Blogs online from oath from c. steal them online where other problematic people relate to it. But don't do it do it but do it So yeah that's where it really where i come from. As far as you know my joy when it comes to books. And i i will say i kind of read fairly broadly. Just like you did but one. Of the inspirations for this show partly it came because sandra was so good at this when she when she started you know going onto the blood lust and and getting involved all that that was like. Hey we should really do this. It was still a while after that before we started. Yeah because you have to kind of formulate the thing and in case you guys didn't know to you. This is not our only job. We both have fulltime jobs. Where where essentially af fulltime and a half. Yeah in the pandemic era and beyond and So we need that. We don't have an outside producer. Scott boras all are producing. I do most of our contact with you know anything. I'd met wishers. You media everything like that. So in addition to that. So scott produces this show really beautifully. Thank you and i have a show called spooky somber party with two. My school friends where we talk about all things ghoulish and garage and everything in between Through a feminist kind of lens but especially of like horn are adjacent things and scott producers that show king beautifully. And then i'm also on the cold show which is a youtube show often streaming live and during the i got shut down from the pandemic and livestreams every week i theoretically know how to use streaming software and we didn't know how to do it at all and we were like oh but scott though And i do that with two and my other. Best friends kneeling caleb. And they're not goals though they're they're boys and we talk about the mostly horror but also citing fantasy and kind of adjacent movies They're in and we play lots of games and we're really silly and scott produces as much as like you see or hear me a lot on all of these different things that somehow has his has. His positive has its tentacles everything. Yeah so we spend a lot of time together. Doing that stuff is well. That's been one of the most surprising things for me over the past four years is this started as a performative outlet for me. I was an actor. Act through my formative years. And i i like performing and i i consider myself to be a creative person and so this was kind of a performative outlet but what i've really come to enjoy and i get really you know i. I'm constantly learning more about is. The production side is is know learning new tricks as far as improving audio quality and editing tips and tricks to save time and to create a better product. And it's actually been a really great learning experience. Yeah that's really really cool. It doesn't doesn't hurt that. I now have an excuse to buy like techy stuff like my baby. My baby if the zoom l. Twelve if you out there ever want to produce audio get yourself a zoom board. It's fantastic also get aches and a mike stand yes. Don't try to hold that you will. You will quickly learn. You'll quickly learn so always be thinking of scott behind the scenes when i'm not reading books or watching movies. I like to spend time with our pets. We currently have a cat and a snake. The mysterious and sweetheart. They work on the show. Stitches producer. Sweetheart is a cable tie and hopefully adding more animals to our family. No humans just animals if you're curious Throughout the years and who knows what else. I also I'm a yogi. I'm a runner and I'm a witch. And i m majorly into animal and environmental activism Case of your hobbies. Yeah you go you go for my hobbies so scott if you would ask me if you'd asked me so okay so scott what are you like to do you like podcast producing when scott's not doing that scott is a video game person Majorly so. I only play animal crossing kingdom hearts. But he likes that. We both play tabletop game. And that's not something we do as much as we've done at other points in our life but scott's very avidly into that some other phone and console games and computer games just different things. Sometimes he'll get really into hard stone and different stuff like that and scott is very outdoorsy as well. He is a fisherman responsible. Sustainable kind he is a gardener. He's freakin awesome at gardening. Like he has hella green thumb and a passion for it and scott is also really good bread. Baker will thank you the gardening thing that was a that was a quarantine pickup i over his life but i i love it. It is a pre. It'll be a permanent hobby and part of my life. it is great I think the biggest thing you can say about about my hobbies that i miss cereal hobbyist. That's probably true. I i love to to pick up something. Like i want to learn everything i can about this particular thing and i'm gonna learn to do it and i'm going to do it and a lot of times i then i'll never do it again. I made a portable game console with soldering buttons and three d. printing and it was great and like oh. This is really neat. I really like this. Okay i quote unquote know how to do that now. And i'm going to move onto my next project. He has it. He said out everyone absolutely. I'm very. I'm very happy that i that i know at a very basic level how to do that sort of thing and and that was learning how to do that was the fun part right. He likes the learning but except for with like The gardening bullet gardening is constant learning and so's like baking. That's a constant learning scott. Also really likes to camp. And i like i love the outdoors. I love nature. I require a lot of time in it. But i also required to be able to go back to my couch or my bed. Etta shower and a shower. Andy bathroom all right. So i think we should kind of talk about the books and do a little trip down memory lane. Hey bookworm buddy. Don't forget subscribe rate and review. And while you're at. It is on instagram at john. Ritter junkies not gonna talk about every single solitary book. We've ever reviewed probably no. I don't think so because it's ninety nine bucks because we've had double features but we've had absence where we don't review bugs but let's say we just kind of like. Listen please go through it a little bit. Yes okay so we talked about this a little bit at the start of the pandemic and i know everybody sick of talking about the pandemic. Even though it's a huge monumental historical thing in our lives but the first book we ever did was a book by show called grams resolution the china pandemic so this was four years ago The book was new then and I'm pretty sure actually. I think it was. I think it was a couple years old. I think the sequel had already come out. And this is a book about a pandemic that originates in obviously takes over and people kind of surviving and what they do and everything and it's just really weird that now it's one hundred episode in. This was our first one now. We're actually living in it. I don't know it's just kind of a trip. It is crazy. It's it's almost like we we. We saw it coming or at least a r shaw kind of thought coming is an interesting book. Especially if you're into prepping at all. I think that has year has at least changed my mind a lot on what prepping look like. And it's you know it's the titles kind of cringing now because there's been so much anti asian sentiment sense this pandemic started and currently in violence against Asian people in. It's just ridiculous and disgusting at but it's you know you can't change it. It is what it is. That's the title of the book. It's just a trip to me. It's just like wow. That's so crazy. What's funny though is that it's actually not the first book we never hectically the first but that's the first one we did an episode of the first book we ever reviewed was a little bit further down the line. Which is the fishermen. Yeah we did test episodes that she should do yes as another. That is another good piece of advice that will give you. If you're looking to start your own podcast. Don't release your first one. Yeah maybe don't release your first five. Yeah because we did. We did a couple really and even even then we change. Our format changed. Yeah in the first ten episodes. Allot a yeah. Oh absolutely because you kind of finding a stride and a rhythm And you know an energy and everything That's buchnevich episode number. Five the fishermen by john langan which was a re recording your of our original review. And i think about that book still all the time. I really need to read some stuff by john Brilliant and you know kind of cosmic horror Sort of thing I dunno gets gives you that. Hp lovecraft kind of vibe. Yeah really good book and because we were both so impassioned about. Because i read it and i was like. Oh my god. Oh my god scott. You need to read this immediately. And that was kind of what really gave us the impetus to review books on a podcast. Format is because it's just so much fun to discuss and share books and there are some books that i was introduced to in the very early the very early days of this. Show that ara my alley. But i may not have actually heard of them if we were not actively searching the way that we do now for books and yeah and one of those episodes three dark matter by blake crouch yeah. I'd read that with my book club and we loved it and had a lot of big things to say about it. And i was like skype. Gotta read this book and so that was another one. That's lena was super exciting. To talk about blake crouches. Just an amazing author and dark matter is I mean you just gotta read it. Something else that i noticed i think it might have honestly been one of the first that started to follow our current structure for the show and that is the through line of our entire podcast and that is three dark crowns and one dark thrown. Oh absolutely so. We are huge huge fans of ken. Dr blake huge fans enormous fans. We've gotten to have her on the show. Hopefully we will have her on the show. Many times it's crazy to. I did not realize that that was episode eight. Yes that that really three dark crowns was one of the first is one of those first books that we covered right Lee talked about a lot. We reference it all the time. It's a beautiful dark fantasy little series of books and she is just not only a really really amazing author. Smart inventive original. She's also just one of the coolest people i've ever talked to. I feel like super super blessed to like. Have her in our life and that we've gotten to talk to her so that was a really really big deal Love you love you girl right. Everything will read it. Those kind of fun is reviewed. Phillip pullman the book of dust because that was a little bit of a full circle moment for both of us having read those books. You read them before me. I read them when i was a kind of an older young adult league. Middle adult adult the term and put. It was still really cool because it was a book that you know we we had been looking forward to and it was a really big deal. It was like that sort of again like a full circle moment. Yeah it was something that we both experienced separately that we were able to experience the come together and experience together and share with with each other and then with you this kind of a fun when i don't wanna talk too much about it but when we reviewed andy we're just say maybe Maybe we'll be reviewing in. Maybe maybe we'll be talking to anti to eddie semi. Maybe there's something else there's something else that I'm reminded by reading this and that was a book by rafael chandler. Called mask massine. Either face So good it was really good and it was the first book that we read for the show. That was really kind of an unknown. Yeah and i actually wish it still wasn't so unknown because it actually realize it was a very fun book. And i i remember. We had a conversation after we had reviewed that book. We should really try and read. Some books from that are not necessarily getting the press. And that's definitely a big focus of what we read to. Sometimes we read the big things big exciting things that we're all hyped for or like. Is this worth the hype type of books in our. You know. John ras and whatnot but We like to also do up and coming and kind of independent. We definitely do a mix of the really famous and the not so famous. I i like to think that we have pretty good taste because a lot of the books that we pick that are like oh not everyone's going to hear about this being like super successful so maybe we have pretty good taste in a pretty good. I or maybe we're just lucky something we've also done since. Nearly the beginning of this show is to have guests so there's two types of guests. There's our friends and family and people be no and thank you to all of you who've been on the show. We love having guests on on occasion. It makes it fine and it changes it up so that you're getting another person's opinion and another person to get to know. Definitely the most common guest is my sister. Amanda because again lifelong reader and just especially saifi and she's a star wars aficionado and really into fantasy. Horror is not so much her jam and she just has a really eloquent way of putting things but yet so so happy for all of our little. Guess talkers may spooky summer. Party gals My friend jan. It's just been so nice to have you know another voice on their amy and the bloodlust Looking for to do more of that and also of course the other form of guest is to have interviews interviews are not something i was expecting when we started the show were you. I mean. I was hoping for it. Yeah but i didn't know you know we didn't know how you go about it then and we still are figure restore and people are busy and people schedules. But it's nothing is rewarding than getting to talk to the author of the book is because you really get really dive into that person's brain the most wonderful thing about the interviews that we've done is i have loved just loved. Loved loved every single author that we've interviewed for the show. The as they've all been beautiful wonderful fun. Yeah gentle. it's you know it's it's cool because interview me an author. It's like a huge honour for us but there is sort of a symbiotic relationship you know they're doing press for their work and So you you know you don't want anybody to ever feel like rude and like they're doing us this big ass favor you know it's like you want it to be like you know. It's like this fund symbiotic thing. It's definitely morphou gift for big. But it's like everybody has been amazing. They really have. I would invite every single author. We have talked to over for dinner. I would host them in our home. you know. Th the author interviews is really wear a bit of imposter syndrome always seems to crop up for me because you know we started this show really as as a fun project for us to to together and you know maybe let five of you out there know about some cool books and what we're doing you know the fact is. Is that the show. You guys have you guys have made this show really successful. Yeah when i mean we'll say it. We said it before. We'll say it again. We really can't thank you enough for that. I mean that's that's huge because having you guys listen to the show is what has enabled us to be able to talk in to these authors. Yes and i always feel like oh god. They're just like you said oh. I'm so glad they're doing this huge favor for us. And because i don't i don't feel like we are what we are but really you got out but we are you guys. We're so lucky to have found you for our audience that has allowed us to talk to these authors and share them with you and and be a part of this community has been really special rate. And i've you know even before the blood less i've done in my blog i've done some amateur writing and journalism very very amateur level stuff. But i've always been a writer to In like a not necessarily a fiction writer. But you know a writer and so i how some knowledge but you know for the most part. It's like we didn't go to how to interview people school we go to. How have communications degrees. No no god. Now i just talk a lot And just really like sharing my opinions on things. But that's you know that's that's as much of our training is really just real world experience and it's really kinda cool that you you stress so much growing up about. Oh what am i going to do. And it's it's such a big deal. What's my major going to be. And it's like i went to school for fashion merchandising. This is not anything related to anything. I studied really. You know just barely but it's like you kind of create what she won. We both lake our jobs. our day. jobs You know. We're we're really into them really passionate about them but more importantly we have other things to live for and like this. Podcast is one of those things that gets us up in the morning. it is. it's it is lives meaning. We we work to give our cat a better life and to keep this show on the air. The snakes more chill. The cat needs certain things Let's see oh of course the area x. moment the up there we go and that is an episode that people still find. And listen to you all the time. it's so funny. Basically the tr of that is. I really liked it. Amanda didn't really like it and scott understood it. Yeah and scott hated it with the immense And it was. It was quite a thing and we learned something important during that too because scott could not complete the third book in the trilogy because he had such a burning hatred burning hatred. It is the only time that i have. Dr d- d- d did not read of. They're both yeah. But yeah it's actually. You know what i did not read the third book. I did not finish the trilogy. I did not read the book because it was just so difficult for me. And you know it's kind of like our thing after that was okay. You get one. Everybody gets one because even like we talked about earlier that we don't wanna like trash things and make it really dramatic what we kind of realized from that experience is is that we if we start a thing. We committed to being an episode in fairness. We need to follow through with it. Because even though i really liked the books and it was a lot of fun for me. This is fun this therapy moment at the same time. I was kind of like well hold on i committed. I put in my time to read these. Because we're going to do it for the show and we had made it that far and it's like you can't just be like oh i don't want to you know like frankly because then. You start to feel disenfranchised as the other party of like well is yeah. It is the only time that i that. I did not finish a story for the podcast and it will be the last time we got lucky because we had amanda to be on that episode as well Obviously if amanda wasn't on it i would have finished it right. It was it was actually one of those situations where i asked. Amanda did you finish it. And when i knew that she had the new you had is was like. You know what. I can be the third person who didn't like it and you'll never see an episode like that again one because you'll never have one of us not finish the book into you'll never have one of us bash series like i did in that episode. Well i mean we can't. We can't can't say never you're right. We cannot say never and we not tell you what it was. We will never tell you what it was but there was one book that sandra didn't finish in time for an interview with an author and that was her one. She finished it before our episode. But we always try to. We always read the whole book before we interview the author right. Yeah and when you listen. And i mean we sit in finish it ahead show chapters and i of course finished it immediately but i felt so guilty that i had frankly mismanaged my time to knock people to finish it and it was devastating for me because you loved that book. I did and i still do. Here's kind of a fun memory. sea witch c. Which was a great example and this was already a chunk into it. But i just saw it. It made me think were not only. Did we get to interview sir. Haning his of course. Lovely personally all of them but like we. That's a really great example of like scott's mom who we talked about a lot because she is not a john junkie So we use her a lot as an example like she's a jump junkies and she's a ban books. Don't get a mass-appeal score from me. If i don't think my might like it. And that was one of them. The we're like she's gonna like this and she did she loved. She loved that book. Yeah and the sequel and the sequel. Yeah she bought her own copies and everything and it was just kind of like you know that's kind of a nice example of sometimes things deserve to be given life outside of their bubble. You know another another book. That's kind of in that that same memory lane is a marvellous adventures of gwendolyn gray. Yes that is the book that i have purchased more than any other book that we've reviewed. I've purchased more copies of that than anything else. Because i've given it to people. We've often done that. Given books to people as gifts a lotta times. Yeah or just like please read this so you should have it or give them to people and don't expect them to return that we another copy or whatever but yeah gwendolyn is probably been the most gifted book i get a copy of my mom i give to the copy to your parents and gifted a copy cousins i give to the copy i mean i have. I have gifted that to many many people and that was our first interview. Yes very cool when you think about it right. That was another thing that really changed. Because you remember. The interview was separate episode One thing that i've loved is getting to read so much different types of horror and really expand you know kind of horror basis and knowledge as far as books go. That's been hugely hugely rewarding. Done plenty of that and Another significant person in our timeline. These you're all significant all significant euro beautiful wonderful authors. And we love you. But was. I'm getting to befriend david saudi grin who has become a fixture for us where we just. We love his books so much we love talking to him and supporting him and really scott had developed a love of horror before this but david has been very integral in you becoming a horror fan. David i love you. we love you. We've had david. We've had david on as as a as a interview more times than i think we've had amanda on as a guest. His books are are so diverse. It's like every book he does is like a different horror themed genre and he's been so supportive of us and obviously we've been very supportive of him because i love him so much. I love him so much. He's an instant by instant. Read author for me same and it's funny. How things work like that. I don't know if either of us would have been introduced to him outside of the show. No i was. Because i was already friends with him on instagram. You were before the show. Okay well then. Maybe sandra but i mean it definitely took it to the next level being able to talk and have that interaction with him because it's one thing to follow and have a social media interaction with authors. You like which is great. But i mean to actually be able to talk to him and we know a little bit about his life and staff and you know. Boris a sort of god child. I feel a friendship. Feel a kinship. With david one in one other author that i love again. I'm sorry i don't mean to sound like a broken record. They're all frigging amazing. We said we'd talk to everyone again. We'd have them all over at our home. But is jimmy cajoles who we haven't had on in a while. But we had him on a coupla times even did a birthday episode yes he he's the first and only author that we had on as a guest later. Yeah and we talked about is for my birthday and we talked about colt themed horror because that's a favorite of mine and also of his talked about some colt movies like actual people who are in colts in the film to be clear. Oh one thing that. I think is kind of a little bit of a tent. Pole of our show is doing short story collections. Short stories are a great way for us in everybody to meet authors into also diversify your reading lot too because that's where you get to read authors of different marginalized groups to and what they bring to their genre. Yeah that's something else that that wasn't really that has become very important to us. Yeah you said it. It's a great way to be introduced to a whole lot of different people and a very short amount of time. You know. I gotta be so hard to write a short story like they do. You know i when you helen lau and you have so little time to tell a story and to put yourself out there. Yeah and to really like use your voice and the way that these authors are able to do. That is brilliant. Author that figures become particularly significant. Twenty twenty twenty twenty one. Is rachel sparks. Who helped us get through the pandemic because not only is rachel. A great author. But she's a scientist she is an actual real scientist and a good talented one and she's just kind of like i don't know kept her head screwed on a little bit straight through the pandemic stuff of these things happen. This is how they happen. This is how that's not to discredit people who've lost their lives and their jobs and everything but you know she's helped us be like this. This is beatable this his this from a real scientists that we love and trust when it comes to you know when it comes to quote unquote famous personality scientists slash. You know intelligent people when it comes to medicine. It is sydney mcelroy and rachel sparks from me. Yeah dr fauci dr fauci. Yeah it's the. It's the holy trinity. But i can't tweet it dr fauci and expect a response you. He's kind of busy something else. That just kinda stands out to me and Is definitely this. Podcast is giving me a love of tim. My favorite authors. That one of whom. I'd read before which paul tremblay which is huge. She's become an auto by auto read author for me and it cutter as well So i mean they're they've enriched my life hugely by having their horror novels in my In my reading life. I mean again i have to say i love. All of our authors. All of them You know someone else that we interviewed on here. Death is jennifer lea. We love her. We know her you know her. Now we are legitimately friends jennifer yeah. She's an incredible incredible talent and wonderful person and friend and her book that we read on here which is feeding the wolf has actually gone to have success before we you know we read it like pretty soon. After came out more success to you. She told me recently. I'm going to be published in france being translated and published. That's so cool. You know like why the heck not get it up there. This podcast has also really helped me get so fan girl and excited about holly black. I love holly black. And her ferries. That's another thing. That's really enriched. My life that's always been a fun. Excuse for for you and amanda to do an episode together right there. You're on every episode of john junkies. I am not. that's right technically. That is true even though you were there and you edited it. We of course had more blake crouches while we did recur shen an atlas. Another just phenomenal book. I just i just feel so grateful to have his books Really important little thing in our timeline to high riley saker. what's up. hey riley like high high. I mean he's another one. It's just. I can't believe how much we vibe with riley we are leg. We're the same people like especially you and riley. Yes especially because when you find people that in the ven diagram overlapped with horror and disney those people become your writer. Die and like you know they. They unreal understand each other and riley writes. The most amazing horror thriller books chest so adding. I really like his books. As a non horror aficionado as well i understand the i understand the source material that his stories are kind of inspired by and i really like where he takes it in a way that that clearly interests horror fans but also myself is not we just wanna go to disneyland. Msci riley in it's It's almost time it's open. It's open right now. The co rightly let's go half of us are at least one third of us vaccinated sir. Let's do it. it's so funny. It's so sad. Of course also having josh melman you know. That's another author that really fallen in love with that. That's huge but let's talk about Talk about one of your big moments so again. Every single author that we've interviewed has been wonderful and i in particular get so nervous and so excited like authors. I want you to know before. Every time i talk to you david even even talking to you the third or fourth time that we interviewed you. I am an absolute wreck for forty five minutes beforehand. I know it's crazy. Just a wreck is pacing back and forth. I'm like gnashing of teeth. I ringing of hand. I get very nervous. I get very nervous. Get excited for all of you. And sandra is just cools cucumber ready to go ever the professional but there was one author were. The tables were turned. Oh yes. I was very excited. And that was getting to interview. Laurel k hamilton. That was a huge opportunity. Not only because of just who she is but because of the people who interviewed. I've been reading her books the longest been reading her book since i was a teenager before we met. Yeah oh yeah and so. It's like a long time coming to get talked to that person. And so then it's very much like. Please don't be an asshole. You know like. I was at worry that she was already anything. But you know it's like. I had such an invests. Meaning you as a reader it's like don't don't ruin it because i want to go on and read more of your work and i so happy that that was just not the case and she's just as kick ass as you would imagine she would be. We all had those experiences. Don't meet your heroes and that is always a fear when we talked to somebody. And it's always nice when it ends up not being a worry worth having ling ma and rachel harrison or two authors that. Really stand out to me that we had and we actually have to talk to rachel. Super six and awesome. But that's when she's healthy. As far as i know but she's she's great she's thickening where something is kind of like started i think in our generation where millennial writers are kind of becoming a thing and like telling millennial stories. And that's not to say that they haven't been writing for a while but you know it's actually becoming like people from you know kind of our generation and our era you know really writing books for us because they are us and i think that's really cool that our generation is coming in to that point where millennial writers are having such success and be taken seriously and you just you feel like you know them because of them. Also be millennials. We have shared experiences. It's why generations exists. we probably. We've talked about that. Melissa albert has really helped us through some tough times especially with the first time. We read the hazel lead. That we're both Just in really really bad places in our personal lives and that book is a wonderful example of a book pulling you through. We've talked a little bit about in our fireside chat. Becky chambers is really. What's gotten me to love books on ships out of space and she made it for me Well i mean it's it's great that they're on ships but it's not about the ships. It's about well kind of with lovey. But it's about making characters that is a ship seized a ship. That's not fair the way. I'm sorry you should apologize. But it's not about the ship rate. It's about the characters it's about these beautiful lake different species that she writes coming together and doing great things and learning about each other and cultivating compassion. Like i'm so thankful for her buttocks. Same thing with sean maguire. We need to read some more. Sean maguire but we started the every harder doorway. You know the the portal fantasy those Really eye-opening bucks we. There's definitely been shift in the books. Both that i've been interested in as well as the books that we've been reviewing for the show and those books i wouldn't necessarily say our product of it. I feel like they started it. Yeah i'm also so happy that author we reviewed recently but we'd reviewed before silvia moreno garcia with god's of jaden shadow and with mexican gothic. I'm so stoked to see her. You know ramp up and we talked about you know. Some of her older works are getting re released. That's so cool. And i know that it's like it's not because of us but it makes me proud that we got to be a little bit apart it. Yeah and to see her success and it's really exciting. Same thing with alexis henderson. The year the witching who my god so in love with her stickiness but That book has just see it all the time on social media and it just makes me so happy because no one deserves successful than her Merit weisberg to us now. The author we've come to speak to you she married. We love you so much girl k. Peres to another person. That's just you know was a dream to talk to you. Be a man who wrote gwendolyn another just absolutely delightful human being recently to rebecca roland. Rebecca has spent a huge supporter of us. You guys don't even know behind the scenes. Yeah big time so you know. Sometimes it's stuff that you don't see. We don't really have a way and a space on the show to talk about something. I think is released significance. You very recently in our timeline is reading and going to interview jennifer gracia dorm bush. Because that's when you just recently finally understood what why. I have a passion for crime it was. It was really special to be able to read a story like that and then also to talk to someone like her You know. Obviously i live with somebody who is a huge who is a huge true crime person but to talk to someone who's actually been in that realm herself and and to write a story like that. Yeah it put the pieces together in my head and i get it and since then since that book i have been more interested in the true crime that you watch sometimes here yes i've been more invested. I've understood i've understood more about what's going on. It turned a key at turned the light on. Yeah and i kind of forgot to say this remember just talking about short stories and how important that is specifically. We've gotten to find some really cool women in fem. Identifying were non nonbinary folks writing horror not only rebecca but also through zor knocks which is how we found rebecca. Yeah and it's just kind of like this wonderful symbiosis that like piles on top of each other really cool. We could especially horror wise. We could literally if we wanted to build a chain of short story and then meet all these people and find out the short stories that they are working on like. Yeah dat is why short-story collections are so much fun. Sarah pinsker another one just an absolute lake so cool and has ended up being a really significant book. You think about a lot sanfer new day. Serpents kerr scares me scares me that she was able to write a book so relevant year ahead of its time right. That is kind of a trip. I do think about that book a lot. I think that that has been the most important book in you know just to my head space over the past year and therefore may be one of the most important books in my life because this year is definitely one of the most memorable definitely a really cool person to another can of early book that i think about a lot. I was super early. Who feels early now is upset forty. Two's when we talk to a mini tarquini. Who wrote the deepest blue and that book i think about. There's a moment in that book. That i love so much i think about it all the time. Is we note that the civilization in this book is plant based vegetarian and they love animals wake myself and when they think about this all the time when they find that humans are writing things on skin on animal skin and one of the characters says something to the effect of. We'll get the skin of the animal without hurting it. Like you know like this beat and uncomfortable where the all put it together. And it's like i think about brought over because it's like something i wanna to say to. I'm not judging you but people. But like i don't wear leather anything and i'm going to say that. Oh those are made of leather. How do they get the skin off the animal without hurting it. I just thank you for that mindy. That is something lives in. My heart lives in my heart right free. That was a book that i was worried about reading. Because i don't historically get into fairy fantasy right phase specifically and and. I really love that book. I really lived that book a lot. Yeah and i've kind of dabbled in a little bit of face stuff since then and the jazz not necessarily been for me still. But i'm still looking because that book was so good. It clicked a little something. I mean even like we've been reviewing some really good books recently. Some amazing books. And you know. I'm so happy for the success. That elisa jamie braziers had with if i disappear. That's another book. That i i love when a see that pop up places and i love that coverage stunning. She was somebody got to speak t recently as well. Actually our most recent episodes i'm going through is like bam bam bam searcy house assault and shadows the push only indians. The push lives in my head. Rent-free i think about the push a lot too. I see moms and dads struggling. And i'm just like Kinda cb she's born with the same thing too with a elizabeth kay he. We talked about her book for seven lies. That's another one where you I love that like feeling of think you know somebody. You can never really know a person right. And what's going on very thankful to have tim. La bonne in our lives as a as a reader to writing incredible horror sifi with an environmental twist. I mean my goodness i just. It's gone world getting to talk to my ghouls about the babysitters coven it's it's so much it's sour dough sleeping. Giants i mean is almost. It's almost too much. It's overwhelming to look back on our show because it's just filled with so many great memories in chest many books i it's it's unfathomable. It has been an incredible experience. And i expected to continue to be an incredible experience for another one hundred episodes. At least we're going to diet. These microphones people like on his reading. We're going to release some sort of podcast. And as long as we're releasing some sort of podcast. We hope you stay with us. Because i want to take this this last portion of the episode to give out some. Thanks just to put participate. Put it out there. And the first person i want to thank is all of you because again This started as a hobby and a fun activity and has become more than that. It's become a humbling experience to have so many of you love us and listened to us to all so put a little. Thank you out there to read. It specifically are podcasting and the user. They're bangs not bits. I i have gotten so much help over the years. Thanks pets and this show wouldn't be what it is. It wouldn't have the sound that had has it wouldn't have the the production or even the structure without some of the guidance. Help an input that i've gotten from that sub reddit at super cool. That's super super inspiring I also would like to thank our listeners again. Absolutely thank you to anybody and everybody that reads books any kind of books Don't be embarrassed and ashamed if you have young people in your lives especially children encourage them to read into what makes them passionate You know it's easy for us to say is in cynical scott because we don't have nor will we have biological children don't censor them. Let them read and like if they're neglecting a chore or something but it's because they're reading which how did you get. How did you get mad at the late. Let them read. Let them try different things and find what they like. And maybe they like graphic novels and maybe they like saftig love stories or whatever there maybe they like westerns like who gives a biographies like in the same goes for you. Have any age at just keep books with you to fill the dead space in your life. You will find it so so fulfilling. I can't tell you the times especially in the cove at era where. I'm in a long line at post-office or pharmacy or something about my book. And people are like the fricking glare. Because they're like county has something to do the time and like the time just flies and i'll send him like. Oh my at the start of though. I have i go back to the end because naturally and i'm like give me just one to finish the sentence just one and of course thank you again to all the amazing people. We've interviewed all the amazing guess. We've had on the show the people that help us facilitate those interviews because a lot of these authors. They they have you know people. They've teams that helped them. And it's a lot of communication super thankful for that that that's huge. You're wonderful and you do a great job. you've jill oh my gosh. If you are inspired to write something you should write it because somebody out there is gonna read it and like it by god all right everybody. This has been sandra and this has been scott and we will talk to you very soon with another interview in episode. But until then. Please keep reading pasture bedtime.
Episode #274: Currently Quarantine Edition
"Hi this is Paul mcgann and you're listening to the five ish angles podcast Deeds this week. It's all the way up to two hundred. Seventy four of the five ish. Fan Girl podcast. We're still stuck inside our going crazy down here on. This week's defies. Turn podcasts subway dress. Let's start off like a direct with ritual. They will see who's on the suspect the In Bethlehem this is Chrissie in Salt Lake City. This is Sally Wisconsin since Rachel in Indianapolis Indiana. We're having all sorts of if you're hearing this episode. Yay For us because everything did not completely self destruct. We're making it work okay. That's sort of the story of our lives right now. He's not not a mission. Impossible message like my macgyver. We got some gum and a paper fourth. Yeah it may not be pretty but it's something we're missing the doctor to do some jiggery-pokery that yeah Lord knows where the Atlanta. Oh I so all right. Well let's do the news We decent amount of news considering A news from big finish Big Finish already get along money anyway. is a heaven ways. Yes yeah so. Those latch sales. Every other week are just like that would not I will fill you prick. Check your local library folks So they've announced that in the finishes lost stories range Next year they're releasing Return of Cyberman which is a UNMADE script from nineteen? Seventy four It it's going to be a force Dr Story But it is a fourth Dr Sarah Jane and Harry Sullivan's story and But they have announced that Obviously you know Sarah Jane play by Elizabeth Slaven. She's no longer with us But they have brought in Sadie Miller who Elizabeth's Laden's daughter to play her mother's probably most famous role as Sarah. Jane Smith they did post a small teaser. Which you can listen to it just that little bit. She sounds a lot like her mother. So that's a pretty good So but that's kind of exciting that we're finally going to get a version of Sarah Jane in big Ash if you think about 'cause I remember when he was misleading passed away. It was nine years ago and they had just announced that Tom Baker was going to start doing big finish because there are several years he just didn't and and I was like Oh cool. They'll be you know some. Dr Sarah Stuff and then Slayton passed away and it's like well now. We're not going to get that. And she did do a Sarah. Jane Smith Series for big. Finish back in two thousand two. I believe which that's one of the flash sales they're having which is which is pretty good but it's like it's not Sarah in the dock so it was it was just it just kind of felt like it was just such a big letdown. Has now never get that again. But now we're bringing it in some format and just just as a point of appoint a note Christopher Naylor will be playing Harry Sullivan since he and Martin also has has since passed. So am I so yes. So let's it's it's exciting. It's like you get Sarah inhering with the doctor like the the the the quote from from sadie though when talking about yeah stepping Other shoes And she said When when vixenish asked me to place Jay for the story I was very nervous. I didn't want to create a performance from someone else's so I tried to approach it as I would with any other role and tried to find my own piece of Sarah. The part of my mum. That's me but I had. I have had a quick look Youtube for Sarah. Jane Smith screens wasn't quite sure how she would what we do. And that's Lottie Sarah Jane's hockey out screaming. I can do that. It was a little. This one was a little quieter than she was doing before we started recording. That was one of the little called Gremlins who are working out. Yes this this is really exciting and on top of that yesterday. They did the the the tweet along for journeys and Sonar and they had a little clip which posted on her car that Russell t Davies wrote a script for a farewell Sarah Jane. It's basically everyone morning a passing of Sarah Jane Smith but at the end Ronnie kind of says she's the doctor that might be. I subscribe to that but it was really sweet and really really endearing. Ncd Miller also did a little message that she posts mother. They posted on twitter. She was unable to tweet which I can understand. Because I couldn't because for much the same reason she had her kids with her and make kids are having a bit of a crisis left yesterday but now. Herbert video was very very nice. Her son had a little funchal. Pop of of Serotonin. Here Sean Sean. Sarah Jane the Little Hamburger Sons waving. That around like grandma is right so cute and he was Emily Cook. She Re tweeted it so if you go into her. She's the one who's been organizing these tweet along so her twitter feed and you'll find it it's it is it's it's adorable associate so so sweet to see her hockey about her mother. So that a story will be put. Sorry hathaway it's It's GONNA be able to January next year that Israel for preorder so finish so lattes And then on Disney plus of we're barreling towards a new mom they have announced that on Quote Unquote Official Unofficial Star Wars Day. May the fourth fourteen with you They're going to release a documentary about the making of the man. Delorean Laurean So the we'll get to see how they filmed the series iota and all that fun stuff. So that's Quite exciting so It's going to be an eight part documentary series titled Disney Gallery. Amanda Loria and the first episode will be available on May the fourth and then subsequent installments will drop on Fridays. Yeah that this is mandatory is one of those those shows they have to have behind the scenes stuff somewhere and this is where this is where they're putting it in. I'm like good job guys. Yes thank you very Ravi hands. I take that I will watch it and enjoy the heck out of it And then Speaking of things coming in May at the end of May twenty seven We will get Dini season premiere of the what is going to be the final season of agents of shield And so we don't have a a trailer anything yet for the series Just a fancy poster the calling one final mission and What they have confirmed in a lot of people suspected this because Leeson time period that they're going to start in Based on where the season that lasts here is we may see some agent Carter related people. They have confirmed the enver. And I'm not even GonNa try to pronounce his last name. I'm so sorry But he played Daniel Sousa and he is going to guest star in the season so How much will see him? And whether we'll see anybody else for major Carter TB. I'm sure they want to keep some things under wraps so But that that is Exciting considering know the short end of the stick that Adrian Carter got as a series So it'll be fun to see one of the characters were familiar with Come back I liked I liked it because that the that He said the What was fun is? What's that got him in Colson? In the same scene that they realized how similar yet Shield Fan. Boy The good those. I've always liked so so I'm excited to see him back. So we shall see what happens when the shield returns again if this is gonNA take place after all of agent. Codey banks before I don't know exactly. Did they say exactly what year the it's there in the nineteen once? Yeah it's yes. Just nineteen thirty one. New York City. So it's pre World War Two so we'll see but that doesn't mean that you know if their New York City that doesn't mean you know Peggy is at wandering around there somewhere. Yeah especially because the whole the whole idea of this. Last season this oppose the chronic homs are going to be attacking shield through different points in time so if we may start out in the thirties and work our way through that show up in the bay. So we don't at this point we don't have to worry about like where agent Carter ended with Peggy as Susa together because as we know endgame change that but that can be you know. I'm line now. So because of the idea of multiple timelines because of of ants with Thanos and everything the con- you know continuity and all that can kind of go out the window possibly so we don't know which option with Dr Sanjay Seen X. number amount of holding sway Dow. We don't which version we're yeah. It was fourteen million six hundred five different realize but our exchange so we don't know which one of these so that is true. Yeah anything can happen. Yeah Yeah pretty much. Although I I am declaring the I like the season gets closer. And before we got this out the premier announcement that it just so happened that Clark. Gregg was accidentally posting behind the scenes. Pictures and videos on Mrs Li Li. Yeah he's like invented costume all onset. Oh I might have to delete this later. Speak can't blame the cute little puppy because then happened before he got said cute little puppy before get early Lucy or Lucy Sir John L. Yeah so yeah I think Clark Gregg you. Some accidentally posted behind the scenes pictures from the filming season seven and his new puppy Lucy. So yeah I'm excited for each. Just feel the comeback but at the same time it's like I don't want it to be over. Shame like to see what happens with the same would've And girl problems. At least you're not gonNA end on a really bad clippings. They already knew they knew will yes. Yeah so it's like they. They're ending it how they want ended. That's that's always the best way to do it. Exactly speaking of Colson and Clark Gregg is By the Guested on the happiness in darkness. Podcast which hollies on few times So go listen to her episodes But then listen to mine Which just got posted yesterday recording this and Nicotine Spence The time talking about Captain Marvel From from last year. So we've got to talk about Carol. And the some of the controversy that came with having a female lead superhero movie and all that fun stuff and I yes did fan girl. Just a little about the return. Acquired Greg Colson Home Screen. So and it and it was good. It was good matter. Listen amount there was no. You didn't go overboard. It was like I was trying to raise myself in. There is A. There's a moment they're like myself. That was you loose that you're okay. Now that we really you did wonderfully but no Nikola Nikki's is super cool guy. He really knows his stuff especially As far as comics are concerned So He was a real fun to talk to though of happy that. I finally finally got a chance to for me to be on there because this has been on the books for awhile. Actually he played so far advanced. Yeah I'm schedule to one eight A. That's lengthy racer selves i-word. I volunteered. Because he's just like there's any acres surveys of his life and I'll do it. I'll tell you what the team maybe March it. I have seen seen people make fun of it. You I think the only exposure I have was at the guy. That's not the same Howard. I know I know that. Yeah I like the. I've heard of him before. I got a new about the movie. But I'd never pheno teasing about it. Just lowly just put it this way if you watch Howard the duck. How back to the future on standby six? Yes so that you can have a pallet cleanser She's not just saying because Leah Thompsons in both. Wow that's kind of my point is a thomson is concerned. You can have realized pallet cleanser. So you did such a good job over here. What the heck happened does have even streaming. I doubt it I doubt it. Yes big no one wants to admit that they own it does own. It like shave killed. It's a guilty pleasure box or the Amazon. Nbc's studio behind it. Yeah Ozo- it's their fault. And George Lucas. They think had little handed at you. Yeah George Lucas in marvel comics. Come to Larry's comedy about a fast talking to God. Trumping built loving duck from a parallel universe. You crashes to off a so so he so he disavowed the Star Wars holiday special but his name is still on Howard. The duck rally all right. Yeah Anyway. Anyway it's going to be on on on A. Yeah that podcast. Look for that and lately. You don't play eighty early June. Yeah stay with the record date versus release. Just yeah and then the were not in new month yet but holly has put up a kind of interesting poll for the Book Club to get We just want to get people's opinions on whether we want to add audio books. Yes the options yet. Not that I'm running out of ideas for the doctor who book club with what I change things up. We could add the audio books from the big finish or the audible range or even some of the episodes that had the are lost in had just for something a little bit different. It's good you have to click. It's going to be on the main page. You happy. Scroll down their full for. May you just had to click more than you. Just click US know if you click. Yes if there's any comments you want to add like hey if yes we'll go through here are some of the audio is that I would like to. He had put out a poll. I know their stuff. Finish has also started moving some of their library to be sold as well on audible. So between that we've got options kind of expand our choices that set to go through that poll set to go through. I WANNA say mid May I can always change it to beginning of June to solve. There is a hallmark it for the new And then we've got a little bit of feedback from show Lane and She wanted to bunch of another movie that flops that was supposed to be part of it sitting AMAC universe. The money which. I'm really supposed to be the dark universe. No will I think deserve to flop. Yup I haven't even seen it. I've watched like ten fifteen minutes of it and that was enough for me because when I'm flipping through and I'll see the mummy The guide I am clicking Info the Messiah which is a brandon phrase one one time the Gupta Guide said. It was the Brendan Fraser wanted. It turned out the Tom Cruise land. I was not happy camper. And if you I want to watch this and then Oh oh it's that one darn it I e added you're sets you. Don't yet go away. You want to them. I know it would like try. 'cause I love indigent round normally try but I thought it so bad and I am too too much of a Brennan facial on me Fan Lake. Yeah Yeah Well. The problem with it is. It's not it's not that well okay. There's several problems that I have with. It is that it's like hey we're going to do a cinematic universe. This is going to happen when you haven't even done one movie yet. And it was the setup for that was just. Oh guys you are. You are way. You're way you're way ahead of yourself. Just just so that they would just taught seeing stuff to see what yeah and it was basically like cinematic universes make big money. You know so. Let's do a cinematic universe. That's not how this works guys. Attic universities are usually well planned doubts. Yeah it's not just a you know. Yeah yeah thing we go through. It's like now. Yeah I mean at this point. Universal is like it because at flop. They're like a plan B. We're just going to release some of these movies and not worry about continuity because like they because it was supposed to be the Stark University. And they're supposed to kind of bring a new update version of like universal monsters. Drac like a good idea. Yeah because the we have the invisible man movie released earlier this year and it did fairly well but as far as I know I have seen it but as far as I know It the there's no direct connection to the yet it was a they made it more standalone. So yeah it was. It was its own thing. As far as I'm aware yeah would have been able to here. So Yeah Yeah. Yeah the mummy. It was like they. They're like okay. We're having an adventure. Now let's stop and set up seven more movies now. You're never gonNA get two now that that's that's not a recipe for success. Yeah you really can't shoehorn that kind of thing you just. GotTa gotta I mean you can plan stuff ahead of time but you gotta do. Somethings organically down roads. You know it's like you know actually going to work I. Yeah you'd like these characters that's true but I mean you know we'll like the first iron man you know you get that post credit teaser with Nick Fury. That's all it is is just a little tease like. We might do something with this. He might ons. They didn't stop it in the movie he and say. Hey you're in the middle of a bigger universe Mike. Now you waited 'til movie was over. You had your story. People like iron man like Tony Stark. And then all of a sudden you what more will. Here's more like we. We had like a little hint Colson but That was that was that was worked into the story. But when you when you meet furious it's like who is quasi angry ticked off dude. He's Kinda interesting them exactly. So that's our two cents on cinemax versus way we will probably will and why would probably won't have a full on review of of that version of the mummy anything. We'll go to the brandon frazier once I yes? I did talk about the right. It's a universal. We can talk about the two. I don't really want to revisit the still at one thirty one. What do you exactly I Reagan what? I don't think so. Oh by never happens around here. Oh no interest part of our technical. We didn't spend thirty minutes before we slip before we started this. Show talking about this other thing Anyway moving on to this week's main topic which is Something we've done before but we're going to do with a slight twist so every now and then we will do episodes talking about the things you're currently reading and watching and listening and doing that sort of thing but because we're all essentially stuck at home for the most part That are we're having to get a bit more creative to fill out what free time we have so I thought it'd be kind of interesting. Maybe Fun for our listeners. For us to talk about share. Some of the things that we've been using ticky ourselves occupied wall not being able to do anything outside of our own home because everything is closed it. It's like no movie theaters concerts conventions Yeah that's Yeah it's IT'S YEAH. How do you keep yourself from going? Stir crazy top of you know the real life that you still have to deal with you know most of us are working or you know we got in some cases kids or pets or other family members that still our attention so so I guess we'll just kind of go around the board and I'm going to start with the things that I've just been kind of listening to Because that's kind of been. My biggest thing is just keeping myself occupied audio wise Otherwise it's just listening to ducks quack outside the geese when they get they come in for the night and decide to have a party out in the pond So I think you busy with my hands of doing this thing which I'll get into as well that like if I'm working Visually Anita keep my eyes occupied on my work. But I still like having stuff going on in the background. Audio wise So obviously I've got my backlog of podcast I'm still trying to go through I don't have the gym and stuff to to listen to podcasts. Birth through a lot of those so I am still listening to the same podcast. I've talked about before although some of them are They've had to figure out how to keep the show going. Because of the social distancing and everything like unspoiled there Paul. Namie have figured out how to do things over the Internet. Says it can't be in the same room I don't know travelling the vortex they're having to. They've kind of gone on the short hate us because they can't get together So they're doing subside. Trippy type things So I've got all those that missile. Listen to Louis still doing his thing with every radio I tweeted this think last last week like like a week and a half ago almost two weeks ago. Something like that But one of my favorite podcasts have mentioned before imagine life was they do seasons so they've finished these into a while ago and I just we kind of you know listening to everything else waiting for them to come back. I've gotten still subscribed my podcast APP waiting to update whenever they came back season three and it wasn't until I was on twitter and realized that they had come back and had been back for two weeks and my podcast. App was not updating that particular. Show yes so. I quickly had to burn You know listen to those two episodes but now my APP has updated Properly so they are three episodes into season three and is just as good as it has always been. It's one of my favorite favorite podcasts And so. I'm glad that it's back for season three So a holiday has those to listen to for the next coming while each new episode. Drop tongues Friday So that's been fun. Of course he still got the the other ones that I listened to you in the barber. Three Allen all this podcast so if you've listened to his conversation with betty white do so. It's Hilarious. Yes yes yes mostly on her head on her behalf. That Alan alda isn't a funny guy but he's not betty white and then when I don't want to listen to people talking I have been pulling up Because we can't go to concerts or anything but a lot of artists have fend posting full concerts older full concerts on places like youtube. So if you follow Metallica. Every Monday night They've been posting full. You know the the light life is not obviously not live but the stream a concert from you know. However they've been bouncing around from locations and years they haven't gone too far back I think the furthest back they'd gone is like two thousand nine or thereabouts But it's been kind of fun to listen to to those. Have that plane background So if you're screwed. Subscribe to the METALLICA Youtube Channel. You'll you'll see that in your your Stream subscription on YouTube That all put links and the show notes. I've watched a Paul McCartney concert from two thousand eighteen. O which was pretty awesome An Elton John from two thousand fifteen and then because the queen live at Wembley Stadium is the best eighties concert in my opinion and I love the one kind of breakdown. Where do all the covers with? Hello Mary Lou and Rudy that that is just. That's one of my actions because sometimes when I used to pull that out on the weekend Dan. I would watch reports through that. Then we back up and listened to the their medley were continuing on with the concert. It's funny though 'cause like I have that play and I had. I had it playing on my laptop. I'm doing other things puttering around doing other things so I don't have my headphones on so CIANCI was people to listen to it. And it's obviously. It's obvious that I've got played the Queen for him because at one point I was singing along with the entirely singing along with a radio Gaga. In what is it what you like? What is this a bath? Oh wait need it. We have educated might leave. Yes well let me tell you. Yeah YEAH AVENUE FOR VIDEO. God is really cool. 'cause they took the metropolis yes movie. Yeah like well. Latino version is the radio is still a valuable form of entertainments but Andy to kind of their worst tolerance the Oh kill the radio star or something like that right or Banjul last man standing. Yep that's that we've had the radio on to use a local radio chauncey is. He's got the boombox off Ebay from one thousand nine hundred eighty six ish still. It still works Tv in it. It's got to set dual cassette players. We've had it to the local classic rock station from the eighties built in bill to. Yeah Yeah so when we had the local classic rock the so we get the usual a lot of ACDC and things like that so classics going on in this household to nothing wrong with that for me kind of what I been listening to has been kind of going through my big finish and deciding what I haven't listened to in a while along with catching up on some backlog but then one of the classes that I help where I work for school. They're having the kittles listened to a podcast only six minutes long. That feels the story about this girl who may or may not have superhuman powers. They're already in season three but clear. Starting all the way back at season one and it's just it keeps the interest and I actually have applause myself because they're so short their assignment to like listen to ten to fifteen episodes and then. Kinda writes their thoughts and questions and predictions. But what they're thinking they're going to what's going to happen next. It's been cool. I will post the Lincoln. The showed song his anybody's interested in checking that all say they can't keep him. I trust so as far as I've been listening to. It's been mostly a big finish working on my backlog as I have been for the past well I kind of I kind of been going off and on of going through the main range in order so I'm like you know making sure I've listened to everything I have I paused for a little while because I also got the fourth box set. The first Doctor Adventures which is the first doctor team as played by the cast of an adventure in space and time. So it's David Bradley in is played by Jamie Glover Jemma Powell Place Barbara and Claudia Grant Please Susan. Although Caroline Ford does make appearance in boxed Serie I want to say I think that's right. There's some really trippy stuff going on there. So yes so she so she experience. The fourth set was really really quite good. I mean they're they're all great but there was The because each one is two stories. It's there's A. There's a Scifi story and appear historical first doctor era. It'd pure historical stuff all the time. And the and the fourth the fourth set volume four has a story about the Russian revolution. The the czars the last couple of last of the ROMANOFF's and so they meet czarnecki listened in Dutchess anesthesia. And it's actually kind of thought provoking and interesting they went. They went certain places. I did not expect them to go which I was quite pleased about so. I highly recommend that one. If you can you can get a it just barely came out so it should still be at its preorder price if you feel so inclined But also big finish doing said. They're doing their big flash sale. So you can get some some Doctor who big finish for fairly and there's Doing some free every week so so make sure you keep an eye out for those because they put some really good stuff up. They they'd put up the beginning. Which is A. It's a companion chronicle which is takes place right. After the doctrine Susan Run away from gala free. So it's before the junkyard and everything and it's it's it's actually part of a trilogy but it's the but it's a standalone standalone enough. Listen to it. It's it's amazing. I bought it when it first came out and as one of my favorites. So if you were lucky enough to grab that while it was free I did do it. It's wonderful it's on my list. Today's 'cause they do the free release every Monday. Two days with the very first episode of one of their historical series which is only one season called. Cicero's yes that's when I grabbed that one and I'm looking forward to tackling because I have not ever listened to any of their original stuff. I've just stuck with the doctor. Who because and again plenty busy years? You're giving away for free. I'll give it a shot. Sure exactly and I'm not saying no to Frisk. Bmi Library so you can't. You can't argue with free note and. Yeah we've just been listening to a lot of music. Might my kids love to listen to Music Might Lodhi? We've found out 'cause jared when I started dating. He introduced me to Bollywood musicals. Which are a lot a lot of fun? Like there's there's a bunch of them on net flicks if you want to grab him but So we we have some of the soundtracks in one day we were in this is before corentin started We were we just had one on shuffle and while Lodhi was fussing and she quieted down. While we were listening to a certain They're all all the titles are in Well there are several several languages in India. So I don't want to say which one for sure 'cause I will probably be wrong But it's okay I can. It's from the movie Rob Bouna. Jody I don't know if this was on Netflix. Or not. We own the BLU ray. But it's but it's I'll just have to put a link to it the the video to youtube and our show notes. The story basically is this this this guy who's kind of a a a sort of a nerdy quiet unassuming. He's a good guy. He's just not your. You know your typical romantic hero. Sort of thing. he ends up His his mentor passes away. He marries his daughter because her fiance died and arranged marriages happen a lot in India as part of a culture until they happen in Bollywood. So you know her. Her father tells tells us this this guy to marry his daughter and he's been in love with her forever and he's trying to you know. Help her you know with her. Grief and Also you know helper. Fake the best of this marriage and certain things so he. It's very silly. He he does this makeover he He joins a dance class. That she's a part of it. It helps that he's played by one of the most one of the best looking guys in Bollywood Shahrukh. Khan it's it's actually really funny and it's really sweet And so so. She doesn't recognize him because for the role Shahrukh. Khan just got a little nerd it up a little bit. I guess is what you'd call it. But then when he goes through the makeover he just looks like his normal self. So it's a little bit. I guess a little bit twelfth night in a way or Moulana except it's not gender bent but the whole point is you know she's falling in love with his alter ego and he's trying to figure out how to be as alter-ego in their regular life. It's very mad cap and very silly but the song that Lottie has decided that she likes or that will calm her. Down is the one that he sings things to the to to his wife. Basically it's it's a he he sees like all the good things he all good things in life he sees in her and he's trying to kind of you know convince her that he really does love her. And it's very sweet and even if you're not into romance the music's Great. The dancing is incredible. If you've never seen a bollywood movie you watch it for the for the for the dancing if nothing else But it's one of our favorites and I'm like Oh you need to Rewatch it. But we've been listening to the music a lot because it calms me down. When she's Fussy for some reason then I also discovered she she is she gets comedown by not listen to drops of Jupiter by train. I which is one of my one of my favorite bands and one of my favorite songs so I was just like Gross Gore. My Child United Song to calm down to I will lose it songs. It's I guess I only listen to anything specific. I've been listening to some podcast that I'm behind on in This random music on the radio on my collection I have. I listened to a lot as Samal always have but only at night but now Donna Day. 'cause relax and all this stressful going on so that's been helping. What does I do things around the house and try not to be bored? Really nothing specific is random things I am. Sometimes you just Kinda just hit shuttle and just be like whatever plays plays egg. I've done that and I don't know if you've ever noticed but if I wasn't shuffled I sometimes think I think by iphone like has a theme lake go wrong in that song might not necessarily be connected but it. It would be ten gentlemanly somehow. Let me like I'm setting something. Twilights leaving up on galaxy like hiking. Connect the the song from the song before. Yeah I have random songs. Yeah look Greenwich every genre. Yeah it's like. Let me see if I can go from her Broadway. Show tune to METALLICA. I absolutely did. I have to Disney two stalls to Queen too yeah that little bit everything right on to visual I guess so obviously working working visually need to keep oxide H. But when I'm not working and I actually went to watch something I'm kind of I'm like I'm like watching everything in nothing. All of those aiming highs. So it's like that sounds about right. Yeah Yeah Yeah I have old age. Yeah it's like I have the folks of like subscribe to on Youtube and some of them have figured out how to keep generating content even with the current situation. Some have had to adjust like Renton link Good mythical morning. They've had to go to three days a week So the Because they can't go to the studio and film stuff so they've been doing A show with a split screen with them over skype. Or whatever of an pepperdine was shows that they've pre-tape before all this happened Because they don't WANNA lose all their context long SCHOLAS- they've cut down the number of days a week as opposed to someone like he'll defranco's actually effing the amount that he's doing so he still daily show four days a week but then these doing a Friday show which usually is a deep dive into something His his group is like really small and they can still work from their homes. And Edit but things together And then he's also posting some shows on the weekends and occasionally if he's got something That's how and then obviously if got streaming services that Flex Hulu plus along not really watching anything in particular. I'm still working my way through star. Wars rebels slowly. But surely yeah I did. I DID REWATCH. Captain Mario before doing the podcast the other day. Twist my arm It didn't hurt that much did it? Rachel twists farms five Tv Wise. Yeah other the mass singer that really watching anything else fighting. We'll probably go song. We'll be back actually tonight. This reporting the joy to some season could be over for that really. Just got the massing on Wednesday nights until that's over and then agents shield returned to watch really have anything on on TV. So mostly what? I'm watching stuff on Youtube. Which is mostly the separate normally watch. Occasionally we'll jump around something that's been suggesting maybe nothing really completely jumped out to me I did want to put a plug in though and I know the the first two episodes on our facebook page John Krasinski from the office Jim All the office as got started. A show called some good news and he posts a posting on Mondays. Some people can start their work week on a positive note with some good news and it's been kind of fun to see what he's doing. He he held a virtual prom over the weekend cool and had So he lives through that on the Youtube Channel. So you know I think the entire thing on the channel he put some highlights on the episode the release a day so he had people like Jonas brothers come in and billy eyelash and Chancellor Rapper To to either share music or perform so it was kind of like you know his thing. It was like well. You know school year's almost over his senior years and the yeah. The kids are going to prom are getting bombs. I WANNA throw virtual call in favors with all this famous friends and Yeah call it a day. His shows was justified. It why his wife Emily Blunt show up a few times? Yeah he's he's a pretty cool thing though that he got the cast of Hamilton to reunite virtually last week. So we now so that was. That was pretty cool so that that's been a fun addition to the the Youtube Algorithm. I guess so. Let's see I've been watching all kind of going back and kind of always reductive who rewatch with probably treat along for him in going along and then I've had it sitting on my shelf for back and well actually start Graham. Watch that I it. People have been seeing if you like supernatural. You'RE GONNA love this so far I can tell you that he is a few others. Have Been Nudge me. So it's just like okay that's uncertain beginning Khalil. Only got about midway through season one when I got sidetracked by another Chinese. Tv show. It happens fan girl problems and it's gotta be the story of my life because they'll be times. I'm like okay. Finally the kids are down. I mean this this is my thing with two little ones. You know when I'm watching something it's gotta be more or less what they WANNA watch so we've been watching onward so many times over and over 'cause Alex loves it and I'm like you know what you've got good taste. How about we expand your horizons now and can't tell a two year old what to do so so when we want to on word or toy story. We've we've snuck a few more. Rewatch COCO in there which is great So so there's so there's a lot of that But as far as what? I've been watching after they go to bed or when they're napping kind of in kind of depends on what kind of mood. I'm in by the time. They get down. I've been rewatching boy meets world. Which is on Disney plus which I still so working my way through season one. It's a long season a season. They're still in middle. School and hangar feared that weird Hippie granola girl that they don't want anything to do with but I know that she's suddenly going to become corey. Soulmate at some point. And Mr Feel Mr Fini as a classic you just got eleven But then jared I've been I've been introducing him to the new version of fruits basket which is on Hulu. It's they they're redoing it. It's getting it's getting the full metal alchemist Brotherhood treatment. Basically the original fruits basket which I watched when I was in college only covered about half the story as as written in the Manga. This new version is going to be two seasons. I believe season two is airing in Japan right now but season one is out and it's it's more faithful to the Manga. So we're going to get the entire story And we're enjoying it if you if you're not familiar with fruits basket it's an anime About a girl named Total Honda who she's orphaned. She's like determined to make it. Makes you make your way in the world? Cheapie friends a A family that the so my family who are cursed by by the spirits of the Chinese Zodiac Well the Chinese Zodiac plus. There's one there's an extra one who is cursed with the spirit of the cat So there's Revolves around a lot of the old myth. The story of of the Zodiac animals were chosen. That cat was tricked by the rat So he did hit the part of the Zodiac. So there is a rivalry there and it's a very sweet story a very slice of life even though it's it's got this fan this fantasy element the fantasy element That that's the only fantasy element it's basically just a contemporary slice of life. Sorta story about this family. Who's dealing with this? Curse and in Peru is kind of the one who comes in is turning everything upside down even though she's not trying to be because if you know tohru she's sort of a a a little a little airheaded but every but you gotTa Love Her. You have to love her. You just cannot hate twitter if anyone out there hates Tohru Honda. You have soul asked how she is so. This is one of my favorite anime as I. Highly recommend it. I was really thrilled. When they said that they were redoing. It and so far. The reboot is remake. Whatever we're calling it is been really great so like I said it's on who you can probably find it on. Crunchy roll Season Two is is airing in Japan. So if you have the paid version of crunchy roll you can get the episodes up there as their air. Problem is their subs. So if you if you if you're okay with subtitles than there you go And the DUB is been delayed because corona virus like everything else that we're dealing with right now but it's I think it's twenty four twenty six episodes out the check. So there's a fair number of episodes that you can watch so go check that out. And then I've also been Watching the extended editions of Lord of the Rings. Because it's been so many years since I watched them and I have them and I'm like house a good time to do that so Swim box it yeah so. Am watching all the all the behind the scenes stuff although watching it now. I'm like I'm getting the itch to to get them on. Blu Ray because the DVD's they look Nice. They look great but I just know they look a little bit better. So I've been researching how much it would be to to get to get the BLU ray version. Actually surprisingly they don't look that expensive but still you have to get all of them so yeah and then another one. That has been another show. That's been recommended to me. I started watching it. But jared wanted to watch it with me. So we're GONNA start after we're done with. Fruits basket is called. It's another anime. It's called Snow White with the red hair and I've watched like two episodes of it so far just to see if I like it. It's a kind of takes place in a medieval fantasy world This this girl She's a healer but she has extraordinary red hair she. She attracts the attention of the of the spoiled. Princi- wants her to be his his mistress. He tries to kidnapper. She has has none of it and she befriends Princeton another kingdom. Who is a lot nicer and just wants to be your friend for now. But I'm like I had a friend describe it to me on facebook and I'm like this looks like it's up my alley. I wonder where I can find it. And it's on Hulu so Shouf going to watch that too I two episodes so if you watch more you decide. You're like oh my gosh what happened. Here don't blame me. I'm just saying we're going to watch it. We just haven't gotten there yet. So that's what we have been watching slash will be watching as time goes on. I been jumping around like I've been watching quite a few movies. The last one I I watched the RAG Narok Yesterday almost it's Saturday at my days mixed up right now. I've been a jumping around grand. Mtv shows either rewatching theories that I fought springtimes New Ones Annuity like. I've been watching the eighties magnum. Pi Dante classics at episodes. I'm having fun watching it. It's weird thing a young Tom. Tom SELLECK NOT GONNA LIE CROSSOVER WITH MURDER. She wrote yet not yet. 'cause Britney and I watched the REBOOT WATCH. The oldest is like okay. We knew he. Kind of different. Because the Higgins and the reward is actually female tried. You know it's like they're both snarky. And they both have the Doberman pinschers Halloween Zeus. Things haven't changed all that much us been watching twitch the watching a lot of game on. I'm actually currently watching us. Scoop of game was doing a charity event. They've been doing it for the last couple of years usually get together but obviously this year they can't Doing it online watching that raising money Now basically specific for getting the steph. Govan like helping get the size for the first responders all the doctors and nurses everything they need. Help raise money for that. Which has been awesome to watch and this random youtube videos as always end on facebook? One of my A local ISH aquarium I love has been putting a lot of sort of behind the scenes of taking care of the animals in this is kind of cute little series at One of the locals has been reading to the Penguin. I've been showing those two Alex and every once in a while I mean he kinda gets gets distracted but he'll come over and like penguins the see those these are so cute and one of them's they were. She was reading a book that we actually have so. He got excited about that great. I know this one isn't fun Watching those like seeing how the animals are handling this. So that's been the most part the animals that have no clue but true but yeah they sought to keep them with their their routine places like that. The animals expected routines. People are still having to work that feed them when they expect to be said they do I My local zoos than doing anything. I think that I noticed but I have enjoyed the the short Videos his the Georgia Aquarium. Where they've been taking animals shelter run around so it's like kit the sharks in the background and so cute little set can looking at like what? Kinda shy you been fun to watch. The animals react to shark said fishing stuff like some of us really interested in somewhere like L. At Roma go sleep over one thing I forgot. Whatever watching is Patrick Stewart? Usually every day he's employees known Asana today. Yes I enjoy listening to those Patrick Stewart. Arri TO YOU. Everyday been instagram. I know he's up there so I think he's been putting them on all his social platforms idea. I just know I follow him on Instagram. So I've been speaking of reading. I've not really been reading much anything. I'm slow slowly. Been working my way through this one doctor who book one of the vintage ones. I picked up North America. Think it through. October fest It's the one that the deck log one where it's It's kind of an anthology. I guess the best way to put it it's the one where There's an over arching story where the seventh doctor shows up to the PI. Private investigators office with no memory of who he is and why he's in the the cities and and The highest investigator decides to help him and ends up taking him to the supposedly psychic and The psychic To try to figure who the doctor is because we know it's the doctor but the doctor doesn't always Dr Is He has a doctor. Empty his pockets and of course the pockets are bigger on the inside. So he's got a bunch of crap in the pockets of psychic will take an item and like read the energy of it and it it will go to a chapter. The story will be a story of how Dr ended up with that object in his pockets in his usually. Different incarnation of the doctor. So I've gotten stories with the first doctor I've gotten every doctor at least once one thirty six at least once so But I've still got a hundred or so pages left ago so and actually this this I was just looking on Amazon. I put a link to it if you want to buy them on Amazon Little Pricey for what it is but this vintage Is there's actually two others in this series so I don't know if that means that I'm not going to get An answer at the end of the at the end of the both for the doctor figures out who he is or not. If I really relied on the click flipping or or what so I may have to. I need to order the other two after this after this. That but not that. They don't have a pile of other North America on my last few visits as well. But this one's Kinda got me hooked. 'cause it's kind of interesting He ought to get these Stories Some of them are just random stories. Where you're like you know you recognize the companions to recognize the doctor But some of them. It's been kind of interesting to try and figure out where they may possibly like. There's a doctor and Sarah Jane Adventure it's Post Pyramids of Mars. Actually referenced. Pyramid the bars in the story. So it's been fun. I kind I kind of like kind of like the way of telling doctor who stories where it's not just one book dedicated like a doctoring companion. He got a little bit of a little bit of every doctor and different Kapanen combinations and stuff so I think I'm story in fact I haven't finished it yet. I think. Yeah No. I'm still this one story. I haven't finished yet. But it's the first doctor Stephen in Doto that the six doctor makes an appearance. So it's interesting combination Stephen a Dodo in the sixth doctor. Let's see one one thing I've read during that I finished reading during this whole thing is because I'm a librarian. I have a membership over net galley. Which is a place where you can get advanced reader copies digitally of books? That are coming out. So they want people to read them and review them whether on Amazon good reads or blogs or you know being able to recommend them so The dressed in files. Peace talks was up a little while ago. Which is the book that is a been in the works for quite some time now has never released eight. I think I mentioned this before that I got. I got an er of it And I finished it. I'm not going to spoil it but it is amazing. What's that two thumbs up two thumbs up to very enthusiastic? Stop so this debate is worth it. And this they have they have announced. This one was so big they had to split it into so battleground. I mentioned before we'll be out in September so you get peace talks in July battleground in September. So you don't have that long way but holy cow. So that one's amazing Hopefully will be coming out of quarantine by then who the heck knows so people can people can can that one but yeah so look forward to that for sure I've also kind of I mean I've been reading some other like romance novels and things because that's my jam. I like that kind of stuff Various different authors of L. Louisa James One of my favorites. Sabrina Jeffries is another one. I've been reading this kind of been bopping around all over the place. I have so much stuff on my kindle that I'm like I should just read what I already own instead of. An author's are offering like big sales on all their some of their back catalogue. I'm like do I have that one I do. Okay oh no I don't have that one. It's sunny nine cents. I but then I also hope for their publishing company is offering a whole bunch of back catalogue or free. Click Click I cry that's that's worth it. I'm also kind of started a reread of monster. Hunter international by Larry Korea. 'cause I was I was I was in the mood the other day for. I just I just needed something that was you know butt kicking and I was in. You know I was Kinda I was kinda feeling I don't know it was. It wasn't having a very good day and I was like I need something. That's kind of sarcastic it's going to kick someone's butt and and something. I already know that I love so I've read it before I'm GonNa read it again but I'm at notes. Hampton put out an anthology fantastic hope which was to be red tiled release now. It's kind of fortuitous. It came out now when everybody could do with some with some happy endings and again. This is in the same vein of you. Know Good Guy. Good guys kicking butt So there's Hamilton obviously is is in it because she's the one who was about. You know who did it? Larry Korea's got something Kevin J Anderson Jonathan mayberry Lee Mada set the Tricia Briggs Latin. And there's some some newer authors as as what happens with all these anthologies you get some well known names plus some Sharon Chan is another one. That's in there at. I'm Mona Lisa. Foster is a friend of mine but I know we're on facebook. I've never met her in person but she's one of those one of those acquaintances online. She's she's a cool. She's she's a cool lady When michaels Williamson's those are the people that I know or or I know of but there are some. There's some great stuff in here so if you have not read fantastic hope and he needs something. That's a little hopeful but also action packed and Saifi. Ish Go pick it up. It's it's it's a good read so far I haven't gotten through it but I'm working my way through it as much as I to to follow off Chrissy I included going back. I'm in revealing the Dresden files in order to get caught up for book. Sixteen doing that. Rotating between J. D. ROB toge- couple books behind to get caught up their meetings of the earlier Laurel K Hamilton stuff. Because I know she's got a new Anita Blake Book. And then one of my friends hit me on Tricia Briggs so her hearings first couple books and then I know I had messaged you along time ago. About starting to Larry. Chorea books back can do that one. So it's just like okay. Read a couple of chapters tear stepping playing quote another book in time would Galore. And I'm that same way. I will say this if you're new to the monster. Hunter International series. The first two books are good. Books three is my favorite. And I won't say I won't spoil. Why but one of my very favorite characters is in it and I'm like she needs to come back and and I have heard from the man himself. She is coming back because she is one of the best characters of like yes please or her for me. I mean he's got so many great characters in that series but that one's a keeper and crissier book suggestions. You haven't steered me wrong yet. So that's good. I think I think we have a lot of the same tastes in your starting Patricia Briggs. Or you're going through Patricia Briggs and I started some of her stuff on audible I kind of bopping around between different authors but yeah. I started her Mercy Thompson like like in this and there's and there's something to about those those first person narratives Not a whole lot of people can pull them off and when they are pulled off. It's interesting because it's kind of an urban fantasy flavor. Will you have the first scenario where they have to be a little snarky but they have their own voice? So it's like you know herring. Dresden does that. But it's different through Mercy Thompson. But it's different from Owen pit it's different from Anita Anita Blake. Yeah all these. Are that do that. Sort of supernatural urban fantasy. Sorta thing and that sort of the tone that they're going for and it's just it's just fun it's yeah and but it's also if you like action in in your in your. Sifi Than Yeah. It's it's it's amazing it's good stuff and it's a good time and it's fun it's and it's not you know dour or down itself or having there's there's it it's hopeful. Nfl Like we. Kinda need right now Well I really need been sitting down reach traditional books lately. I have hold priorities having really currently Read I'm Diane Status? Every time we do this but I'm serving It's reading reading or Britney I'm a librarian. It is my job to encourage a love of reading. And if you're reading fan fiction your reading it counts. I wish I could drill that into the heads of the of the kids who come in to the library and like I need to read some boring. My teacher recommended to my mom will let me read. Comic Books Won't let me read Fan Fiction. I'm like you're reading. It's okay that's what you love to read. Sorry I you got me on a soapbox for me and some of the Defense. Like some of the off of a really good they could be published. Were there are some authors who have gone on to be published this story? I was reading in the awesome publish. It they changed it because they couldn't use the does it. It's called filing the serial numbers off in how it story but I'm using these these these copyrighted characters. Well I'M GONNA Redo it with my own characters and it's legitimate and I been listening to Somalia books the one I will slowly look on. It's called The wizards of once again. It's pretty good like it. Studies two kids one. The goals a warrior will from Roy tribe into boys from a magic tried in both tribes are taught to hate each other involved but they end up teaming up. Kind of a opposed. Good it and it's the same Osu's it did How Team Dragon men raised. Yeah Yeah Yeah okay to Crowley. Yes yes I knew. I knew I'd heard of it and the person who is reading it. You May as well little known named David tennant also does not to train your dragon book. I don't know if he's done all of them but I think I haven't read all listen to them I want to. I looked and movies. I know the books are different. Yeah my list. So I've been I haven't listened to the this three of them out in the third one just came out the end of last year maybe beginning of this year. So I've been having been listening in to that. I definitely recommend especially if you like fantasy. Especially they tend to talk. Yes is like he he can hear his Scottish accent action accent. You're always nice. Yes yes it looks like. He's done a a fair number of audiobooks. Not Just Dr who. I'm pulling up his thing on the page on good reads for some Genus Shakespeare. But then yeah then. There's how to train your dragon and the wizard of once. But I didn't know he did wizard of want so now. I'm going to have to move that up a little bit. Yeah even how I found out. I think that was just like I think someone recommended to me and I was like an audible. I have like a Lotta credits on audible. I have They had a deal with on. They started adding the Babysitter Club books. But if you buy some in you get so much money like eighty dollars credit use those yes spend wisely. I will. I will mention this. So if If you're interested in audio books but maybe you can't afford audible or something checking local library if they have digital audio books I know the library system. I work for. We do overdrive rb digital artwork. Currently were closed right now. But we're you know the the the library system is really pushing their the digital stuff and having online programs and And things like that. Jared working on getting dungeons and dragons program for for patrons they can do online. But they're still I. I know I know for our system. I can't speak for all systems but I can't. I can't imagine that that there. There aren't systems out there doing similar things. They're doing like a a an e library card where you can just call in to the customer service line. Kaz Customer Service or whatever the phone line. The phone service is still functional. So yeah so your your library even if the even if the building is closed. I'm certain somewhere like just go online. Go under web or go to facebook or twitter or something. They're talking about it because there's a lot of libraries that are like yeah we're closed but we're still. We still have stuff that you guys can people can do. So yeah so definitely check. Check that out. If you don't have a library card you can get on overdrive or rb digital or whatever other. There's a lot of different audiobook vendors that do things so and I'm getting on hold for wizards of once because now you've told me that David tennant Mary and I don't have I don't have audible credits but I'm like I do have a library card like my localized us. Doing the doing the new events that they have been doing them online and they've been having but clubs in so the librarians have been doing live meetings but a little kids which is cute. Yeah they've been and we've been doing story times. We've doing Book Recommendations Have Been Doing Haircut Yow doing crafts and they just do videos and post them on our facebook page. So stuff is still happening. It's just not happening in the building in person. But there's a little plug for your local library. Don't don't get how bottom just because this because the virus came to town and the Nice thing is is the majority of the publishing houses are loosening. The reigns for how many try happy you library. Yes there was a there was just whole controversy about that. In fact we pushed our system back to the petition to say. Hey signed the petition. So these publishers will get their head out of there but at I could go on a soapbox about that. I won't right now but yeah they did loosen it up when when it turned out that yeah digital offerings are about all we can do right now. So can we get some more stuff please? You know being greedy little butts and talk anyway. Cooler heads prevailed there. Yeah I have opinions about this. But that's for another time and place anyway. Lots of lots of reading to do. And you're if you're strapped for recommendations out give you some just hit us up we give you less. We had the in resident. Send US an email waving. You can't see it but I'm waving at the net Lo. Tell me what you like and I'll come back with something else. Wrap this up with kind of miscellaneous stuff that doesn't necessarily fit into a category. I guess So I've been sewing Mike. I got my sewing machine for my mom so when the mood strikes me I've been sewing the. I Made Pear Pajama Pants for Chauncey Pair of Pajama Pants for myself I've I'm still working on the doors. Stuff I got so far but yeah I guess so far with his realized that I majorly screwed it up yeah So and I did not have any more of that particular fabric so and of course all the stores are closed so I had to order online. And it's taking ages for it to come in the mail so So I'm waiting for that fabric to come in so that I can make another attempt. I know how screwed up so I won't repeat myself So hopefully second time around. It'll be right and that I can move forward as every every every bit's gotta be right of the other bits set with it so so it's not like I just keep going because I need the other pieces to fit I It was a fit issue as what it was. I made it way too small. Even for him he's squishy but he's not that squishy Bob Hope but yes. I've done the the pairs of Jaffe. I'm working on a skirt. Made out of this Delicate fabric but a bought. Last time I was I think one of the last times I was at my inlaws. We he and his My mother in Law Went to Joann's real quick for something. She needs something. And they had this Partial Bolt of this dialect. Doctor who fabric a for people who don't know if you've been into Joe and some places in the past and they used to have like all sorts of Dr do fabric with different print. Soon doctor's got the The table decoration. He's got the hardest with Kepala doctor. And Jenna Coleman and missy and all that but those fabrics you can't buy anymore because the BBC pulled the license so they're not make they're not if you so if you WANNA join well K. Going to join us now but when the reopened and you go into joy and wonder we're all doctor who fabric lint is because they're not printed anymore because the BBC poll the license I just happened that this was the clearance and it was the last bit they had. I just bought what they had. I didn't know how much it was on the wall. I was like I will take it. I will take up. Yeah it was. It was unclear interest doctor who was like. I'll just Fi. I have no idea what I'm going to do with it is. It's like a great background. It says exterminate on it and DOLAC and then Scott a different color remember skittled Alex so why in orange and blue and different different colored. Bolic's all over it so I've been sitting on this fabric. No idea what to do with it because I just bought what they had so usually I buy fabric in a particular amount for particular project that this I had it. So but so I had this pattern for skirt that I just thought patterns or sale and decided to see if it would work with the fabric in jazz fairly did but I've I've made it work So it's ninety percent none I need to make some adjustments in the waistband so that it sits better and then I need to Hem it and then actually it won't be done so it'll be really cool Wants is completely finished though. Will this cool DOLAC skirt when I've done so working on that while I'm waiting for the deaf doors new fabric to to come in the mail and then I've I've still got a ton of other projects that need to be started and in worked on It's just one project at a time The Pajama Pants. Were supposed to be fairly easy. Although I still manage just gruesome stuff up Still a novice when it comes to sewing machine eating patterns of all that I had to get on facetime with my mom like I don't understand what the maids splayed duty service starting with it. They be slightly easier projects to get more comfortable. Because I don't have my mom like right next to me like I usually do to help me so I've been trying to work on stuff like if I screw it up. It's not the end of the world's I'd get onto the bigger projects. Where if I screw it up it? It would be bad so But what about sewing? I'm usually choleric. That's my other big thing is. I've got a large stack of Grownup COLORING BOOKS. I guess quote unquote grown up pulling books. I've got both of the doctor who runs the DOCU DOT to dot book and I've got a whole bunch of just miscellaneous books There is a bundle of you can buy on Amazon. That actually mother-in-law bought me for Christmas this past Christmas. That sky Different themed books. Some of them are just coloring. Some of 'em or dot dot in the navy color picture unless you're donald trump. I wanted to bring your that. I see just the tip on the doctor who does to that Mechanical Pencils. Going to be your best friend. Yes that Pencil Mechanical Pencil. Yeah Kanter amid a mechanical pencil and a ruler preferably one. That's clear so that you can see through it so that helped me straight lines yet. Because when you're you're these are these are not your little kids. Connect the dots. These are pictures where you have upwards of a thousand Dongyang. Sometimes you need a magnifying because the numbers are much yes I will say I will say this Rachel. You've kind of inspired me. Because I I went and dug out my colored pencils and we were ordering some stuff for that we needed and we needed a few more bucks to get the free shipping. So I went ahead and order another doctor who coloring book for myself. Hasn't got here yet but I was like. I need to find my colored pencils because coloring books coming because Alex has been you know doing his little toddler coloring book. And I'm like I WANNA call her. I want my kid coloring book. Yeah I will sit at the kitchen table. And it's just have music playing in the background or whatever's of the. I'm watching like Star Wars rebels or something. I will have that going and I will. I will literally sit here and just colored or hours. I am going ally posting. I've got a photo album on my personal facebook but I take pictures that if you wanna see them I can also. I've also been posting on my my personal blogs facebook page. So if anybody's like what book is that firm I can. I can tell you have completed. So but yeah it's been and I've I have a combination. I started out with dislike some college pencils and now I've got a whole bunch of because boxers holy pencils several months ago. This was a box of late ninety years or so and then my mom made me this basket for my birthday. That was marvel comic book liner in it. She she bought me A. She made me that and bought me a a thing of fine tipped markers colored colored markers for my birthday and then I ended up buying Some more different find colored markers so that I had even more color variety at a different different size tap even smaller sized for the more like fine artwork and A package of Colored Glitter Gel essence. I was just about to say Joe pens are good too because sometimes I'll do mixed media than I've got to get some thing tip colored markers I have the joepags colored pencils so I put links to At least the stuff that I know where I got it from in the show notes so the the the pens and the the markers that I've been using So but I've been. I've been coloring so much that I actually had a small pat. I got a small package of Glitter Gel pens from some friends for my birthday of and I went through that as a set of AIDS or something like that so it wasn't a large amount but I went through and ran those dry within a couple of weeks. So that's my and bought the bigger thing of Gel pens off a Amazon and But even now getting to the point where I ran dry several of the glitter of the Gel pens several of the markers. I've ran dry already so I'm going to have to order some more eventually because I'm coloring so much that I'm burning through. I've learned coloring pages. But the Meyer Earth supplies. I am going through the very very quickly as basket. Then my mom got me which fell when I started out with fairly full now. I can barely squeeze everything into it. That's between sewing and coloring. I Have I've been keeping myself at least as far as my hands are concerned busy. You know what they say. I'll play Devil's playground. True idle hands lately but A as far as miscellaneous stuff goes with us. We've actually been playing through some some video games. Mobile Games and Card Games Yesterday was jared's birthday and The new waste landers expansion for followed seventy six came out recently so since we both have seventy six. We started playing it yesterday and I haven't been able to play so much because you know kids can take my time and they whenever whenever we start. Sit Down and start playing. Alex comes wandering it. I'm like I got to go with him Or you know put into it. But I'm really enjoying it. I know seventy six is kinda gotten a bum rap from from people and there are various reasons. Why now is not the time to go in it? But we're actually enjoying it. They're different ways to play it. You don't have to do the multi-player other than you know beyond who you want to play with. I mean it's just most the time jared and when we play sometimes jared twin brother comes in with us to It's it's been fun. The story is Kinda cool I mean it's an online game. So yeah there's GonNa be some glitches but on the overall. It looks beautiful as far as I can tell so. I'm enjoying that Jared also been playing through Halo because I never knew that halo actually had a story and I'll watch the only time you know. Yeah when when Halo was a big deal back in I was in college. Never been only just wanted to do the multi-player should allow Royal. Sorta thing and I was never good at that so I never did it. But then you know. Jared had all the Halo Games and his younger brother. It's his favorite one and I'm like wait a minute. Halo actually has a story. That's a good one too. I was like you could if you've only ever done the multiplayer Halo. You're missing out so so we've been doing that as far as my mobile games. on my phone. I've been playing Disney EMOJI BLITZ. Which is A. It's a fun little matching game where like Disney characters. And I've been doing events every month. So that's been fun and also we've been doing pokemon go which you know you'd think. Oh pokemon go. You wouldn't be able to do so well. Stuck at home. that requirement which they've loosened up a lot of the requirements. I mean we'll we'll go out. We'll go for a drive for a little while I mean doing out for Dr is okay still archbishop. You don't get out So go drive by park somewhere where there's a pokey stop or a gym and play for a little while. Gather stuff but then you can also there stuff you can do while you're just sitting at home you know they have if you have your buddy. You're little walking buddy. The buddy will go fetch stuff for you so you can. And they've found a way to for you to do raids. There's a community day coming up this weekend So yes so you can still play pokemon. Go if you're if you're doing that The walking if you're walking for candy or walking to your buddy or for any of the other things. You walked over to hatch eggs like I went for a walk with Alex around the block. The other day hatch two weeks just gone just doing one lap around here so it's the same as they've done that in wizard unite to. They've loosened up the how much you have law if you have adventure sink turned on if you're like walking around your house or if you have a treadmill and intellectually discounts steps to so it's not necessarily distance so so. I've still been doing that. I've I mean I can't play quite as much as I as I would when I would be going out to work and stuff but I still get to do some An another game that we're playing. This one's a card game is Red Dragon in but we've been collecting all the expansions and stuff forever. But it's a it's a fun little game if you're if you're a dungeons and dragons nerd. It's it's basically this. Is the party coming back from their adventure. And they're at the end drinking and gambling and the point of the point of the game is to be the only one still sober and have last one stand. Let everybody pretty much. Yes go look it up. It is like we finally bought all the expansions as has been several a journey of several years and we have the giant charactered box with so every character has their deck. They have They have little Different little powers that you can do depending on what kind of character you have. There are healers there are barred. There's couple bards. There's a tinkerer. There's clerics there's even a villains boxers there's a box or boxes you can get where there's just two characters so it's like versus. You can just bring this box out for like the family parties okay. Everybody which character do you WANNA play? Divvy out the decks and it is hilarious. I mean there are there are characters Like I mean just Google search or search Amazon Dragon in Or find a website and they'll talk about the different characters back stories Their their powers. And there's there's just these funny little things they do and it's it's a fun little game and then and so and they've done so many expansions there's one expansion that's the tavern crew so up until then they have the winch come out serving drinks and you'll have a card like if you're if you're messing around at the drinks a car that's like the winch thinks you stop playing with the drinks or tip the winch. We'll finally the winch got her own tech so you could play as the winch I and she. She's cookie and she has her own her own drink deck so she puts out. You know there's different drinks at the tavern served and depending on what the drink is will give you so much alcohol content or you know or maybe you get the cut you off and they'll give you a cup of coffee and then you have. Then you have the little sold coins. You can gamble with. So there's gamblers gambling Mecca mechanic. They also have an another expansion. That has a playing card deck so you can actually play a gambling game. That would be one of these fantasy taverns so they've made up a bunch of these different card games or you can just play the game on its own. So it's I mean it's it's really complex but can also be it's it can be as complex as you. WanNa make or can just be as simple as you have the one of the verses decks and you play one character against the other So it's it's a fun game. It's one that we love to play and we try to play as much as we can. it's a lot more fun with a lot more people but you can play with to just as well There's also there's also they have. The the auto are mechanical friend is a little robot character that will make a two player game a little easier because it gives you an extra player. That isn't a full-on player. But it lets you do certain things with him so practice. I'm GONNA find the the. The website just Just to link to so you can see what I'm talking about. Because oh my gosh. And they keep adding keep adding decks to it. They've had some Kickstarter and stuff and it's they they they have so many different ones and it's it's a fun one is when you can have as many characters as you want or you can just have one box and do it and I'll just have to link to it because it's it's a lot of fun crawl. We ever get to meet each other face to face. Were playing Red Dragon. Sounds kind of what the miscellaneous to me what I've been doing is I've been kind of the Disney Mo- G blitz but then Disney has heading new game called the sourcres arena will get you get certain characters and then once you build up in a choir you can get more and then there's certain options and then you can earn points so unlock other characters. I've seen ads but I've been wanting to play it as keep forgetting to download it. Yeah it's it's been cool enjoyable in every now and again a little frustrating when you face tough against a certain opponent. Are you GonNa let me win this time because you can do it where you can choose? You can choose what you're GONNA do for for your battle moves. But then they have an option to a for. If you're rushed for time you can actually automatically put it on auto and have the computer do it for you and you can do it at like one speed one and a half speed or two speed so you can kinda get through the game play so that Kinda. I've been experimenting with on and off and you can do different team combinations than than they have. There's different little challenges. Because you have your your good guys challenges. And then they have what's called the villain challenges so you get your villains. You'll get like Guest on Captain Hook Trunks who reports to her name right now. Use muff use my. Yes and then a few others. I mean they're pulling in all the characters I mean. You're you're getting the LAD and you're getting the incredible you're getting sorcerer's stone. You're getting black cauldron. I mean they're combining Disney and Pixar. Twice story was light. Your is is just interesting. Characters can lack one of that one of one of the ADS. I've seen it's like Ariel teamed up with like Dark Wing Doc fees. He ever says like malefic. Yeah yeah so it it. It's it's it's a free neom so we start offering. Then you know they do try to guarantee you. He s what's to be expected. I don't they they make it so you feel like oh you. Have you feel like you have to spend some money when Stan it's gotta pay the bills got to keep the lights on at the same time? It's does Afghans so expensive expensive but didn't like. Oh I want that expansion. I want that one in that would add up. Yes I say I tell myself it's like these Games are hosted on servers somewhere in. That's not cheap as data. Sure exactly. Yeah me I been doing. What ricky a lot of coloring both physical in Lake at night when I'm lacking in bed? I have coloring APP which is fine. The coin books I have I have adopted who won. I have a couple of fantastic beasts to find them. Call Him looks. I have supernatural a bunch of Lake Mandela type coloring books. I have a random one that I got from Maine. Had a bunch of Maine esque. Oh Cool like they had like lighthouses in lobsters in Blueberries and all that kind of stuff while associated with Maine which is fun I've been playing a lot of random games of I have the xbox ultimate thing so you have access to like hundred plus drink game streaming so. I have fun like Ooh does again. I've always wanted to play can play free why they have it though. Mainly of mine cracked. I have to Glen on the tax bill. Get into so. He has a realm that I've been playing on. Which is it's fun. We've been currently walking on making lake an amusement park. I've been making like this mini golf course and roller coaster a walking in coastal need it. And all that fun stuff so we've been having kind of that What have I didn't playing? I've been playing Drastic glowed evolution. Which is you build your own dressing. Fox which is fun. And those Kinda like park tycoon. Or something like that yes. I may have occasionally accidentally let Denison escape heiser dinosaur supervisor meam in exactly like you had one pole one job. So that's been fun playing that This is new. I haven't played yet but I wanNA play forever. It's called near auto automate. Meme what's called I've seen people play. It looks really beautiful and also from what I've seen CAN BE PRETTY SAD. Like Oh boy. I have bunch of like open World Games sky. Ram In out my head. My sister will kill me because she loves that game. Scott me into it of these games. I'm horrible 'cause they have like all these side quests that I get sidetracked like Oh yeah. There's a main since Maine story that I should actually walk on so these Games have been playing years in the halfway done. I think that's kind of the point with some of those gift. A new newish of that. I've been playing. Would three shots been fun? You're indeed I don't know exactly what that means. All the which is one of those. It's one of those things. It's on my list of things to do watching and or read. It probably not yet aim. Because I don't know if I'd be any good at the video game but I could definitely read the book me the Games. It's like what you expect from Lake. Simos sky around all those bunch of that. You need to walk on that. You don't finished. I'll stick with my farm on Farmville on face. Thank you my perform. I had one in like I've neglect today. I don't testing years until like most all my things like I just jump around from random gains in shows like Kelly. I don't have that big of attention scam around too much stuff to play with X. Cre- been looking on Amazon. 'cause I used to love doing puzzles like Jigsaw Puzzles and I haven't done any in a long time. Nanny hard ones like I had. I had like this tiny little evangelists when I got from installer stove recently like that was a hundred piece. I had done in less than a couple of hours there. There are ones you can do. Online one of the one of the groups one of the author groups that I follow on post a bunch. They post puzzles that you know. They upload pictures and makes a jigsaw puzzle out of it online at Jigsaw Planet is what is the the website so you can make a pre account find some puzzles and just because people make them and put them up and anyone can do them they time you so if you WanNa do the time thing that's fine but if you just WanNa Kinda do it at your at your leisure it. That's cool to such a duck. That's probably could have to actually sit down and do a puzzle. I don't really have a table so that today lie will say that it's easier to do it on a computer than than a tablet or a phone because when you get to the edges. It's Kinda hard to get the pieces like the edge of the screen not the edge of if it gets too close to the edge of the screen. You can't grab it and it's very frustrating but I can't Cava mouse then. It's a little easier can you? Can you set the how many pieces you want? And the limit. If you're making one you can Or if you're looking because it'll tell you if you're scrolling through searching for one to do it'll tell you how many pieces it is before you start. Gotcha let me see. I was just on. That group are they. It is it. I think I it's. It's hurry this puzzle APPs. I've had like they stopped me in the navy like. Oh yeah no this is. It's a it's a website like and then you just I mean there's there's probably ones that are paid but I mean they have so many free ones that you but I don't know if there are paid ones or not but Y- I mean there's so many you could you through in can do like. They'll do. Book covers your. They'll do stock photos or I dunno a gazillion different. Ones out there. There's a place you can get some cool puzzles. It's not it's not the same as doing a an actual puzzle on the table. But if you don't have room for that there you go. I love doing Strong member like I was a huge titanic one that it was basically the movie post still in the puzzle but at the end it and I had hanging up on my wall. I got mad at my sisters because she thinks tickles on like no nice to do. Puzzles back One of my family members would usually have a puzzle out every time we visit the they usually have them sitting out at various completion when we go to visit can't right now but CIANCI's grandmother at the place where she's living. Yeah they're definitely good way to still in fill-in some time keep you busy. Actually puzzle requires that much brainpower. But actually they do. Yeah I mean you could do a puzzle and listen to an audio book or a podcast. Stor or music or something. Yeah that's that's the important thing to you. Kinda you Kinda to that. Rachel's you need something for your brain to do instead of I mean this is what I noticed and I mean I've I've got some mental issues with that as it is but when when you when all you have to look at and think about is you know the bad stuff that's going on like oh I could get sick or you know not working or or you know someone I care about could get sick or know some you know what are what are things going to be like what we get out on the other side of this and some of this is like obviously a lot of this. You just can't control if you can. You know do something with do something fun. Do something with the family. That's around you you know. Take your mind off. Things like yesterday mentioned was jared's birthday and we usually a jared's family has a lot of April. Birthdays usually do a big family party this year. Obviously we couldn't do that but we made an effort to do some fun things. We had a nice dinner We had cake and ice cream and things also honestly it kind of felt like a normal as a normal birthday as much as we possibly could like. Jared and I got on fallout. Got His brother onto to play for a little while and it was like we went to bed. And you're like Gosh. We feel like we should be going to work tomorrow because you know it's still normal and so and that was kind of I kind of felt like that's what we needed. So you know if any of these ideas listeners like help out with that that's great. That's kind of our goal. Here's is because if you're just sitting and watching the news and watching the projections and watching people argue about it and and over this that I mean there's plenty to argue about plenty to get upset about that. There's not a whole lot. We can do right now and it sucks but we're going to try to make estimates so hopefully some of these suggestions are working for you. If you've got some some suggestions you WANNA put forward or say what you're doing church stuff that you WanNa talk about what you're doing. Send US feedback. Address is five ish fan girls at G. DOT com. Our website is the piracy girls dot com. He have social media. We have our Amazon store we have our ITN's where you can download the podcast Apple podcasts. I keep calling it I tunes. But it's apple podcast. Google play SITUA radio. We're on spotify You can also go here per facebook page. So we're proposing stuff around there once in a while And you want to support the podcast. You can appreciate that you can go to our Patriot on you can search urging of go through Amazon store our merchandise shop through Red Bubble and our Kofi. And that's very helpful. What we're doing so thanks. You guys Supporting us. Thanks for being here. This is kind of hope. This is helping as much everything that's going on so I know I know it's helping me. It's nice that we still do this. And some semblance of normalcy. Yeah I mean I. I didn't I don't know I just didn't occur to me with the vortex boys I was like. Oh right they meet in person like we can still podcast. Oh wait a minute yeah. It's never been an issue for us. Yes but the Internet still works. I think at the Internet went down. We would really have a problem. Cue the Aria Mitzi you though this is we'll we'll try to link to as much as possible in the show notes so that folks can take advantage of some of these things themselves to help fill in the time and of course if stuff's available on Amazon and you're going to buy it police of using our link. There have been several times. We've been like I've I've been like. Oh Hey here's a here's a book that someone on for sale at Mike Again. The podcast page first and then I'll search it or you know we've had to order some things that we needed. And as I go to the podcast page I YEP and it. It does help. It does help you. Don't pay anything extra. We get a little referral bonus and it helps. Support the support the The podcast so with Galaxy Servers server space. That's a lot of money now. I have double the reason for everyone to shop at King Brittany employed. Yes yes she she she has. She is working for Amazon which is awesome. So yea Britney right well stay safe stay sane out there and take care of yourself with whether that's physically mentally because I tell you from experience mental anguish from something like this is not a fun. It's not fun. Exact and and chicken chicken on people who are who are living alone. 'cause they need they need some somebody. Yeah whether it's sending a text if it's if there calling someone yeah if if has more either your ear or their speed but yeah because we do have the Internet there are ways to keep in touch with people. Yesterday we were twice. We are we use we were using zoom But The first time we are on Skype we did a skype brunch with a couple of friends yesterday. Morning and Chauncey was classic cartoons than we were. Flying Sheringham on the the screen. While you're in skype so we eating eating essentially breakfast while logic Saturday or Sunday morning with a couple friends of ours so can't get than that and we got we got a bit. We had a big family get together on soon yesterday afternoon so where it gave people a chance to catch up. So much of Chauncey cited. The family people hadn't really had a chance to talk to each other of. Oh maybe on the phone or on facebook that gave people a chance to actually like see each other like cousins and stuff so I was. I was fun too so if you yeah if you've got the technology got the Internet technologies out there to keep in touch. Yeah yeah it was a like I said. We have a lot of birth April birthdays. And last week we have my nephew's birthday was last Friday as Jerry. Sneezes birthdays last Friday so we did little birthday video for them and send them to their mom to to to their MOMS and said here. We were thinking about you even though you didn't get to have a big party with presents and stuff but here we're we're we're partying with you from a distance. So be creative. Do stuff like that. If you can get through this together as while it lasts forever so with that. Show sign this. This is pretty thank you night. This is chrissie saying good night from Salt Lake City. This is sally from Wisconsin saying good evening. This virtual in Indianapolis Indiana one. More thing that we're veers occupied on live a teaser but off the DMZ contest in the future. That's all for now Phil. But you've been listening to the five ish fingernails podcast. You could find more episodes and information at the five ish. Dangerous Dot com any and all books movies gains and then the other forms of media mention are owned and operated by the respective copyright holders no copyright infringement is intended for implied if you wish you support the show the easiest way is to leave us a rating and review more ratings and reviews will make it easier for others to find the show if he wishes portis monetarily you can do so at Patriotair dot com slash five ish. Fan Girls podcast. All money goes towards fees and equipment to keep the show going for official five is fingernails merchandise visit red bubble dot com slash people slash. Five is fan girls. We love hearing from our listeners. And encourage feedback. You can email us at five girls achieve mail DOT com. You could also and follow us on facebook at FACEBOOK DOT COM SLASH. Five Ish fan girl. Thank you so much for listening and made the speed with you