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Bonus Ep. 11: WOW - Women of Wrestling w/ Selina Majors

Tights and Fights

17:29 min | 1 year ago

Bonus Ep. 11: WOW - Women of Wrestling w/ Selina Majors

"Combines and. Pau. No perfect wrestling. Dad? This is. Ties. Welcome back to tights and fights the show discusses wrestling with sincerity and Larry that it deserves. I'm Danielle Radford. Join today. Lindsey cal. Wow, women of wrestling is a loss Angeles based promotion that is about to premiere its first season. It's gained a following Ford's adherence to for gimmicks for its diverse and offi cast, and that includes Selena majors the Lena major, Selena what you have with the band love. It was wall Cal through L. The great weather born the band that David I'll tell you one thing I've been reading along time, and that's probably one of the army I've ever wrestle. But you know, what is probably one of the happiest by because one two three I got her. Name majors knows wrestling has never been overly kind to women and she's been challenging that perception throughout her entire career. In addition to being a part of how she's also wrestled in WCW Awa and numerous indie circuits gaining championships and notoriety along the way. Selena majors joins us now over Skype. Welcome to tights and fights Selena. We are so excited to have you on our to be here. Thanks for that. Great introduction. Like you have me on here. Very excited. This big day for us. We are we are super pumped. So you are a veteran wrestler tons of experience. What makes well stand out to you in the context of your link Lincoln mazing career? Well, there's never been a show. That's going to be like, wow. I know we have a tendency to compare it to glow because David started glow. But this show is like none other. It's a platform just for women. It's fun. But it's half leading is lettuce ZIM. And it's just the greatest platform. I believe that the women have had author probably in the history of women's wrestling. I know David started it with glow and I work for a few promotions here. And there that tried it that was on, you know, scattered throughout the late eighties and early nineties, but I just feel so lucky and blast and honored to not only see this happen. But to still be a part of it. I'm curious to know with having been of his the so long how you've seen women's wrestling. And also the perception of women's wrestling you've seen that old change since you started out. Oh, wow. I kinda get a motion when I think about it because I have seen it all seen it where when I started out in the eighties. I think it was an eighty four that the women was kinda getting a push with the Cyndi Lauper in the windy rector in and then it just kinda died, and then we were scattered on cards from ADA Z. We were like a side show. I candidate if you didn't have a certain look some people booked to for various reasons, but we never had the platform and always wanted that. I get a motion. I'm sorry Bill. Never apologize. Do you have any idea? How many times we've cried over how much in love women's wrestling on this podcast? Remember as a kid? My dad used to take me to the matches. When I was a kid. And I always hold him. You know, I wanna be arrest. I want to be a wrestler and the first time I've seen a women's match. I remember I was real quiet on the drive home in my daddy. Goes, you know, what do you think about, you know? That's what you wanna do. And I was like, yeah. But I'm gonna arrested like the men do like they didn't wrestle wrestle differently. And this is like in the seventies. And again, you know, we had YouTube. So we can all go back and look at a you know, they were great wrestlers, but it was a different style. And my dream was that we all wrestle the same way. And boy have I seen that. And I say that maybe my foot print is in there somewhere, but I'll look at the girls today, and I get. I couldn't even more Brown. That's. Oh, so. That's incredible. That it's something that you obviously cat so much about the you've been able to be a part of it for so long. And you do end your correct, your footprint does stand all over. What is happening right now. You have so many great accomplishments, which one of those are your favorites. Which one stand out to you? I'm gonna tell you the truth. My biggest accomplishment is what we're doing. Right. Then I think I'm I'm so proud of my whole journey m a whole career. But I was never a great wrestler after like that. I was a kid that Saint something and allow I wanna dream of doing that. I can't background then. That wouldn't happen. Yeah. Travel the ernal, and I'm Leckie to be calm. I set Pimental s ler a girl wrestler. I get on sometimes reason fries in the eighties. That's what they call. This your. Yes, I think when you've done what you've done you're allowed to call yourself. Whatever you want to. Yeah. So you know is so proud that. I'm able able to call myself at I didn't have that much athletic skills at tell everybody now of right a high. So you didn't comment third road? I wasn't a master at the wrestler. But I'll tell you one thing is much as I love it. I'll put might love and passion of. Yes, anybody because I love it. And I said I was just a kid had a dream that came true. And I'm so last the bay fifty two years old and still be a part of something alive so much when I was a kid I didn't like doll. So when they bought me Barbie dolls my Rb dolls wrestling. You're in good company. How I get to be in a women's wrestling group. And I I don't mean this disrespectfully because I'm just using like, you know, played with my Barbie doll that they're all of the little Barbie dolls wrestlers, and there's a whole big platform of them and manages feel so proud of him, and I feel so lucky and like I said I can't send enough that I've been blessed to be part of something. So great. That's great. And this time you don't have to do guy did where I would turn over my laundry, hamper, and that would be my cage match. A real one tells a little bit more about working as a of awhile of obviously, this is something you you feel really passionate about how would you describe the process of working with the goals you can with now bringing out that unique qualities helping them stunned out. I'll love it. I love thinking that I can be part of passionate on some knowledge and wisdom, and sometimes it's in the ring, and sometimes it's just you know, in life in our journey if I can pass on any kind of knowledge or wisdom or skill that I've acquired I just feel great that because when I watched their matches. I I mean, I'm telling you too much now. So my sister back home, she's like one or two in it, you know, might one of fifty two years old. But when I watch it I am in it. I'm all over it. I'm a little bit apart of every time I say every girl out there. And that's how my. Tesla through them, and if I can pass something onto them, and I see it man that makes my day. So I feel lucky to be able to help these girls. They're also sweet. And I don't know what we got a fun show. I don't know. I keep saying it over and let him know. That's it absolutely much more than that. Is there anyone on the roster that you've I mean, obviously, it's clear that you level the goals. Anyone you've enjoyed working with the most that you really feel that you've bundled with while developing that skill set. Honestly, I've been like Amman with H one of them in a different way. I don't have children. But my sister, she has three sons, and he always tells me, she loves them the sign but differently. Yeah, I never really knew what she meant by that. And now they're like because I didn't have children that all these girls are my kids on my daughters. And I do love them all the same and it all in different ways, I bond with each one of them on a different level. And in a different way. It wouldn't be fair to pick one out. And I'm not just saying that for whatever reason is the truth. Everybody brains unique trait unique scale. Just uniqueness in itself to the ring. So it be unfair to just say one. I think they're all great. Oh, of course there ever again. If you feel like you're a single anyone out no worries, but as a trainer and s someone who has been working with these women has there been anyone where you have gotten to watch the entirety of their development from, you know, the first bumps to now getting ready to help be part of this historic show. Yes, there's a lot of girls at allied to call homegrown. Wow. Durrell's? So what I mean by that is they weren't trying somebody else we have a lot of right girls that come from the independent wrestling scene. They've been in the business for a little while and we find him, and we're lucky to have them. But they are there is some girls that they came and they're just completely wild girls. One girl comes by mine. She came to us when she was seventeen and high school her mom had. Someone else to the audition because that girls a car was messed up or something like that. Anyways, little Steffi, she came and she was asking had braces on and she really has come a long ways with us. She's like part of the family. So I've seen you know, after like everything that she does in the ring have a little bit of something to do with it. So I like that stepping. Face lays, the while. With the Dr Steven dick. Yes. One of the most energetic stars we got here in while defined what it means to be allow superhero each and every time she sends put in that brings. Say on a different scale on a different note. We've got someone like the beast is a phenomenal. When she comes out. She's unlike anything ever that anybody ever seen in wrestling, not just in the women, but just in the wrestling world that sale. And she came to she didn't wrestle outside of while. She's only been in while. And I you know, I try and hers. I feel writ very proud of that there's other girls, but I don't wanna be spoilers because some of them the the fans seen yet. So I think when you watch his show most wrestling fans that keep up with the independent wrestling circuit. They will recognize some of the wrestlers as independent wrestlers. He had in the other ones. They've all come to the while training school enough that my hand is. So anyway, I just feel lucky to have all of them. They're all really great restaurants. That's amazing. So you've investing for while you've been in business for a while. Now, how is your motivation changed? What is it that made you want to get started? When you were beginning. This is what gets you go in today. Left or after like, I was born today. This. The game. Pryatta late. Sorry. When I was like, you know, I watch wrestling when I was my dad wanted to be a wrestler. So when I remember watching it when I was four years old, right? And I'm on a letter to my sister wanted to watch a show called ram ten ten when the German shepherd. Yeah. To watch wrestling pro wrestling. And so I have a little note where I'm scribbling out in. This film words about could we compromise? By the time. I was t- in a really new. That's what I was gonna do. I may not getting imagine doing anything else. Yeah. And from the minute, I got in the rain the love and the passion, you know, naturally as you get older, I'm tasty as so you look back, and you have different reasons at different points. You're laughing your twenties in your thirties. Ladies older, people always say, if I knew then when I know now, I was thinking what is till may and say it into words, it's just that you get smarter and wiser over the years, and you passion stays my passion is burning is Brad is ever not so much to get in the ring into compete and feel that but to do when I am doing now, which is after like, we're doing something that's never been done before. And. It's just great and to be a part of it. Whether it's in the training center. Whether it's on the saints are at the show, or whatever it is my passion. It's still a strong as it was when I was traveling ten hours a day in a little car trying to make a book and for a hundred bucks. So. The passion never dies. I say it all the time. You know, once you get in the ring any feel that either eleven or you don't. But if you love it it never dies. That's incredible. I think that's true as well. I totally agree with that. So, you know, you've talked about how many, you know, you've got homegrown talent there people coming from the India's. It's true that there is more wrestling now than ever. So what do you think is going to make wow, really stand out in this space? I know I'm Morgan for the group. So it sounds like, but it is right to show ever sane. It is fun. It's colorful, there's parts of it that is over the top. But all of it comes down to the F lettuces in the rain. And whether you're costume is over the top or your kit. You know, your your name or whatever it comes down to your wrestling ability, and can you if you have an over the top personality, can you wrestled skills in the ring back it up? Yes, we have that. Because sometimes people nowadays they can just have an over the top. I using these words gimmick character, whatever in a personality, and I think that's all made. But really at the end of the day. It's your performance in your work and your lettuces in the rain this going to get you to the next match the show absolute. Absolutely lindsey. Do you have anything else? You would like to add I feel like anything I ask this is just gonna make Selena crime and also make I think I'm also nicest chat, and I kinda wanna go make us all a hot chocolate and like under a blanket. Yeah. I think there's cookie somewhere that I'm definitely going because I'm also about to cry because this is I'm incredibly happy in so excited for the future. I cannot wait to see the show and see what debuts to watch the new talent some of the any talent. And thank you so much for joining us Selena. This is really been a treat for us. So wow, women of wrestling debuts on January eighteenth. We've got the details about it on our show page at maximum fun dot org. Selena majors again. Thank you so much for joining us. This was a true true honor. Thank you so much. Thanks for having me on pre it that doesn't for titan fights. We are a podcast of the maximum fund network. This week your hosts were Lindsey kelp along with me. Then y'all Radford our producer is west coast miles Moore Julian parole. Al senior producer at maximum fun is Laura Swisher. Mike eagle is the voice behind our theme use it as well. So we're putting them over for that keep up with us all week long. Facebook dot com slash groups such tights fights and tights fights on Twitter and on Instagram. 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Ep. 196: Give Kairi Sane an Ocarina

Tights and Fights

52:32 min | 5 months ago

Ep. 196: Give Kairi Sane an Ocarina

"The park is not perfect wrestling. His Dad and this ties off have a song this week. Welcome to tights and fights show that discusses wrestling with the sincerity and hilarity deserves. That may Julian's computer quake. I'm the host of the coast. How Lublin and I'm joined today by my fellow members of the Nation of conversation showing the ladies what Real. Dan Looks like Danielle Radford Ladies Men on Binary folks but just appreciate far and Celtic music. Lindsey cal I icon. I've no musical skills but thank you. That's supposed to be cut. The music like folk music is that what that is Julian. Yeah okay embrace it. How just embrace it let it let it happen you know? I just wanted to make sure that I understood it. That's all I embrace it. I embrace it. I love it and then Daniel was also recruit. Unfortunately we've gotTA start on a tragic note. Everyone in the wrestling across companies and promotions has been morning. Shad Gaspard who died in a rip current. This past weekend shad was best known as one half of the WWE TAG team crime time which was popular in the mid to thousands still young. What's really a chat? You're not be Mac the MAC that and you're thinking we know you're trying to find out your son isn't everything he's thinking. It could be one of us now now. I know what you're thinking but Joe we have common because Yo to make that money money that money money money money money money money money money all accounts that he was a really good guy and the last thing that he did was make sure that the lifeguard saved his son Very Sad I remember him. Well I was. I was a big fan of crime time. Even though they were saddled with a intensely racist gimmick they made it work and we're super charismatic. And everybody the story of every black wrestler. Yeah but it's really shocking and depressing to. Yeah very sad. I don't go in March for afterlife theories on Shenanigans but I do want to say that I had a really weird dream last night that he was helping my grandmother wallpaper living room and I don't know what that means you guys but if it means anything good that makes me really happy. I think they would get along and she needs the help doing delivery room because she was a short lady so that was nice but yeah everyone just so sad. He seems like he was such a good person. And like there's obviously you know. He's stopped robberies. He was a real life. Superhero like now seems like sacrificing himself or putting himself in harm's way to make sure that others would be fine as just like what he did. That was just who he is And God it's so it's so incredibly sad and I guess this is it. It's a we deal with. That's all the time because They know have issues with Their bodies and with their brains and sometimes other things and This was just one of those like freak accidents and dude went out a hero and saved his kid and that's he'll be remembered but God that's just so what a he was really young and he had a more that he could be could be could do so. How many there wrestler deaths where they make to an old age and they just sort of give out but then stuff like this stuff like junkyard dog where it's an accident even own heart even though that happened in the rings a little bit different but these these premature sudden completely unexpected deaths are are way way harder to deal with. Because you don't there's no time to prepare for the loss now so I have my thoughts. I'm sure all of our thoughts are with sheds family. And Yeah I mean there's much more to say other than that. Let's talk about some wrestling. Let's do that Charlotte on all the television shows mention. Imagine it's like literally Becky just gotten. She just knocked up. She's belly knocked up and Charlotte's on every brand. That's what happens if somebody is like not around or can't do a thing they just like in case of Emergency Brake Charlotte. And then just you just like tap the glass open and then she you know moon salts out of it and then she's on everyone's TV for really hope they don't break Charlotte seriously. Like that is one of my concerns as well as that. That is a lot of work for one person. 'cause even you know even when it was both brands had everyone on them. It was new shows. Three shows where she is at the center of all of this. Like pretty major storylines these women's divisions and just combine that with like that also means that she's out the house more often and that's not necessarily the best thing in the world you know and traveling between these different groups and I don't know how much crossover there is between like the crews that they have working on the different shows if everyone's doing their own thing but I would have thought the smart thing would have been as you guys do this. Show we disinfect. Everything new group comes in does their show. We disinfect everything and maybe not have people bouncing from show to show to show. That doesn't seem like that's does a great job of protecting talent. But that's what we're doing. Well you know like the thing that really he thinks about the most is how he can protect his talent during this time and not how he can help the flagging ratings. He's ever done how I can't imagine that you would even imply otherwise. Here's the thing to discuss was show that she beat. Rubi riot and the reason I bring that up is because Ruby riot not won a single match Nelson since her return and before she left it felt like she was one of the people who was. Who's being groomed to be the next generation or join an upper tier a performers in. Wwe which is well deserved. She's super talented. Great on the Mike she puts on really good matches. She's got a unique character tour. What what do you think she has a future in? Wwe Or do you think she's ultimately destined to to go somewhere else to eventually future endeavor herself or future. It's hard isn't it because it does seem right now. They kept a for the sole purpose of just decimating our every single week against whoever they feel like throwing up it's frustrating. It's feels like an ember moon situation where we know you're great and you kind of different but we're just gonNA fuck you up and not really give you a chance of any kind. We're just going to let live. Beat you then have Charlotte do and just keep throwing you out there to get beaten to prove a point. Coscia different. Even if that's not the case like it's not it's not good optics you know. It's like Oh the person who looks different although actually the person who looks more like our founds than anyone else. She's the person who keeps getting beaten. Like oh I don't like it. Yeah it makes me very anxious. It makes me very worried and I. I kind of wish she. You did have a chance to go somewhere else because I think she could flourish elsewhere. I'm bring a lot to the table. She she's she was a very talented. I'd love to Heidi lovelace. I loved her on the indies. I really liked her work. I like who work here. I think she is a singular character. She has her own thing thing and she does it so well. She connects really easily with the audience. But she's being used in a way that I personally would not choose which is frustrating piggybacking on cokes. That's exactly what I thought and I'm trying. You found a more diplomatic way than me of saying. She's not one of his fucking blonde so he doesn't give a shit. Yeah Not GonNa stop on those cans and hope for the best. Yeah so it. It's just one of those and you saw when she came in because she always looked really different and she's always had a different look and been very much yourself and as soon as they came in the first thing they did was strap on those main roster extensions and it almost feels like it's like a one for one. It's like okay. Well you can have a ruby riot or you can have a Shayna Bachelor. Which one do you want? It's when we have both instead of just having like this isn't to denigrate. Any of the lake is not to denigrate. The Vince is like or any of that stuff. Because everyone on that roster is working really hard. I don't believe that anyone is there right now. Who Doesn't want to be there if they do. They're not showing it because they're working very hard during a very tough time but it it does become very obvious when the women who you know. Don't fit into a cookie cutter. Mold are the women who are not seen on TV as often and for you know it becomes noticeable. I you know we talked about it. Do on the roster can look like anything. You can have crawfish. Jesus is you could have been. Ballard appointed himself his pretty face pretty Dick all over the ring. You can have people who look like whatever you could have all kinds of different variations and just when it feels like sometimes. Wwe is getting to the point where they're like. Hey maybe there's like different kinds of you know maybe conventionally attractive different kinds of attractive. It's not just like this could be in playboy attractive so this is what I wanna see. Maybe there's like different kinds of of women in different kinds of things and like it seems like it always gets shut down. And that is a real bummer for me because they should probably be judged and how good they are at wrestling because they were judged by how good they are at wrestling. Ember Moon would be like a five time champion by now. I have to disagree vehemently with something that you said in there. We have no idea in Ballard. Dick is pretty. You got a nice outline. That could close tight a lot. I'm just GonNa say that I just. I want to throw that out there. Everything else. I agree with hundred percent but that is a bridge too far Danielle. Think about think about Dick. Danielle how that you think about it in Dick Pic about right. Now I'd like to about it. Look he's always pointing pointed at people he must be proud of it. He is product. And that's the thing right. Beauty is if you if you're proud of it and you find yourself then I find beauty in it although now I just thinking about his Dick and like. I'm sure drew my tunes Irish Catholic. So he's probably not circumcised so that's something to take into account. I'll stop now but you you you you. You brought us here. How he wants us to think about it. Yeah let's let's think about it. Where's this thing that you guys talk about stuff like that? And I get grossed out. I have never ever in the years that we've done. This been grossed out urging participate. We always feel bad because we feel like house like the professional. And he's on all the PODCASTS. Like some depth you I see. Tell the story about how ate a pie in the shower on here do i. Television told it on this podcast. A super embarrassing story. There's no professional here. Thank you very much but please let the daily tweet. You are so Lorenzo. You are an influence influenced my twice already today. You may think about fans date now. I want to eat a pie in the shower. Yeah you know who else is an influence her is that are the connex who were teased. Pretentiously break up. Billy slept Peyton after they lost to Alexa Bliss. And the key cross this with Alli one chance to the women's tag team championships back and you go. I can't believe I did that I I. I'm so sorry I don't mind them being a bit pissy with each other as long as we see that it's possible for women to have arguments and then resolve them and remained friends coworkers. And not just pissy bitches slap each other and roll around Jello Vinson's pleasure. I don't want them to break up. I don't want them to be portrayed as Pissy bitches for want of a better phrase would like them to be portrayed as complicated layered flowed women who get frustrated with each other but then resolve the differences and go on to successfully work together for me the just a pair man and I'm very curious to see if they do break them up and they wind up breaking them up. Who are they without each other? Because they've always been defined by their relationship to each other. That could turn out to be something really really cool. You know it could be that one of them. It's not one of them gets genetic it could be that. It's not cool for either of them. And they get Dudley Boyz when those guys broke up no one knows what it could wind up now. I don't know although now I'm thinking about the mouse and the cat seeing together in an American tail about being Gio and That's made me happy so I recommend everyone go check that out. I won't. Wwe Shayna Bachelor submitted Italian again. Oscar had her coming out party as the as the sorry raw women's champion. And you'd with Nyah. Jacks Really Great Tiktok. More inclined tiktok saying play the recorder. I think let's let's all talk about the hero of that segment and it's Kyri playing her recorder motive. Much you saw from some to let today's I love slightly mad. Carry saying I love off the handle. Kyri I'm so down I want to play an arena. So bad oh so bad. Match with all of her everything if she played an opera arena. Yeah Oh just so lovely. I WANNA okay. Let's start sending car racing instruments yes Slide whistle clogged field. Here's your nose flute to squeeze box ones. Kevin Owens his return to raw with a new. Ko Show is to have him back. We'll see what Viking Raiders beat the street prophets in an axe throwing contests. This is nothing new is idea of. We are feuding. And we'RE GONNA play we're GONNA like arm wrestle and then we're GonNa who can bend the spoon and baseball and shit the that matters fuck all unless it's unless it serves to flush out character. Which very rarely does it ever do. Generally bees tend to be. I know the these things are done with a certain intention over the years the number of times I've seen it at. Mvp seemed to do it all the time. That was like his whole thing. Challenge you to everything else but it almost always fails on every level. How is this working for the two of you? I don't mind it I have said before and I know it sucks that we're constantly talking about the thing but guys the thing is part of our lives now so we talk about the bank. I'm all for them finding more segments that that aren't about them rubbing up on each other. And if that's axe throwing manet's axe throwing offense I can do more one headed pushups in you than do one hundred push ups and again how you're right like if you're going to do these segments. They have to be aware. Drive a story forward. That typically doesn't happen with the first one they do. The first one they do was like the block one and then as they start you know around the third one is when it really starts to like. Joe and come together. And that's when they start being able to push stories forward and that's when you start really getting into the personalities and how they interact with each other so okay. I'm going to wait until they do this at third time because the first time is always. Oh let's just go. Let's go and then they do the things you get. It's like I want to talk somehow. Speak Improv the first one is teaching the audience. What the game is. This is what the game is. The game is is that they're all gonna get together and they're going to try to do these things and then as it goes then it starts to get to a point where you can start developing it more. But that's just what's the game. How do we present it? Yes and if you've got any thoughts discussed so far. Connect with us on facebook twitter instagram at discord via the leaks in our show notes. We back to talk more about what happened this weekend. Wrestling up next on Tyson fights. Guess what folks. Max is running a survey to help people figure out which advertisers are a good fit for our audience. So look we're still going to be primarily audience so don't worry about that that's always going to be the case but advertising can be really helpful source of income especially right now all of us who work for every you know. 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She knows how to quiver blue and pulse especially throbbing members. The throbbing those members yeah the thriving is especially if that of blue to makes it so hard to cat could scratch it. That's the odds just that Own Welcome back tights and fights. I'm loveland joined today. By and Lindsey CALC. What's Saga and X T latte? You know I think it'd be fun to add a new segment on top of the other segment just to compare because these are the two shows that kick compared to one another all the time. Danielle would you mind walking us through what happened in the next women's division this week? I'm just GonNa talk about shotsie blackheart but okay. Yeah you want to talk about her in that tank. That's Promo. My name is shot see blackheart from Oakland California. My motto in life is to see be take care of business. I am balls to the wall. Who's Your Daddy? I'm your Daddy. Some people like to take Uber's some people like to drive cars but I like to rock and this is how I roll. This is my baby. The Abbot tank with the one. Oh I'm Howitzer I call her. The dirty broad I. It's one of those things we've talked about where it's like you know it's a lot of the same same girl. They even have it for different genres where it'll be like. Oh you're the PUNK ROCK GIRL. So this is what you do and this is how you punk rock and this is how you are. And she's like yeah. I'm the punk rock girl but also more specifically I am nineties punk rock tank girl and you can tell because I have tank and then also have a smaller take that I roll into like a Tonka truck to bring. I love it. Talk Truck Take. I think is really funny and cute but I can tell after a while. It's going to become Tony. Storms tiny hat to me where I just want the full tank. Promo is great. I loved she. She was very much like you know she was riot. Girl she was given me L. Seven. She was given me Lilith Fair. Like that's what she was given me like I was. I was super into it and the only part where I was a little like. It's like you didn't have to monster truck. I don't necessarily had to take the tank. O I did. She did because events head that they will get in a tank Vincent. Who's writing the tank? One of my blondes. Can she be in a bikini and they were like no. It's the one that's not ruby riot but like we have made this one prettier in a conventional sense. Oh can we get away with it? And he's like only if she monster trucks that's how he approved. It signed off on monitoring literally thought though with his fucking dinosaur behind. You know tits. Okay well then. She has to crush links. If that's what look there's nothing more than a phallic metaphor right so at least like she's the girls are giving him the Palestinians but yes so she's she's rolling over the cars just like she's rolling over the like mentioned a bunch of different women in the division rather than. I'm here to wrestle one person because I think when you do that all of a sudden it feels like well once this is over. We have to invent a reason for you to buy know she'd WANNA be fighting. Everyone and I loved no I did. I loved if she's GonNa do like I'm crushing this. I'm crushing that. This is the problem and I. Don't blame her. This is the problem I've been talking about Chelsea Greens character because all she could say I'm crushing. You're making shots. A you are covered in makeup. Danielle in goals. Hey each other and we like to pick on each other for dumb stuff even though we also enjoy that dumb stuff. Don't make me get started on the using the basic like nothing makes me more angry than a whole fucking culture that we've encouraged for women to share on women for liking things that they actually secretly loved themselves. Everyone likes Pumpkin. Spice Latte Zeke. You don't with you. It's a delicious drink. If they didn't like him they wouldn't still make a exactly like this. Is the same thing with wrestling. This is what they do to women. Single Week is like I don't like you. You're dumb. You like makeup and you to wearing makeup. I better than you. I like music like wait. I Like Muse. Everyone music. Sociopaths don't like music but no she she's literally wearing the most makeup out of everybody that was on that show she had like the deep is and the breakup but no white white skin. Yeah and again. It's like I don't that I think is more of like. What are you say about Chelsea Green like what you say about all of these other people who have very specific things and then for her? It's like you you wear makeup. That's dumb ignore all of my makeup when I do it but it's dumb when you do it and again. I just think that there's there's nothing else there to grab onto and I'm a broken record but Chelsea Green. I've seen her do great with character work and so for her character now just to be like. She's not even an marine knockoff. She's like an EMELINA knockoff. Which which is often Marie knockoff. And once again when you take someone who's incredibly talented and can do these things. And you're like okay. Well people like to make fun of instagram girl. So now you're an instagram growing. Sure spigot of people with WHO have made stark changes to their look with thought we were talking about. Just go with me shut up museum beat Santana Garrett and then got ridiculed at at raeside in the room by the first couple of Alexi. Johnny Gargano and candice. Laura I I love I love it I love it I love it. I don't care what anybody fucking love it. I love the two of them together. I loved there are a real couple. I I hope that they're real happy. Jennifer and I would be happy to have dinner with the two of you anytime. Just come on over or we could do. They were waiting to get to know one another we. They're eating dinner so she shot how the extent to which they support one another. Yes but he's clearly seconding her there and like there's no doubt about it it is about her and I love that that thing. We're like the husband and wife come together and they're all about each other that works so hard when you put both of them like you pass your division. I guess in my division we kick ass together and we are here to support each other. Yeah sometimes you're getting your back sometimes. You're getting my back and it's never you are second to meet and when they do it that way and it's very rare and not just for them. It's rare in wrestling When folks do it that way and figure out that's how it works yet and bring on bring on all your couples should have them come together. If it's going to be we are equals and we are here because we support each other. It's US against the world. Fuck everyone. That's not the two of us if that's what it is I love it. It's just when it's a thing. Rents like Man to the ring and my man's GonNa L. This guy said something mean about man's going to fight for me this Guy Rob does snake on me and now. My husband's going to gently bump his car against a very very light railing. Come out and be upset about it. That's not as good as it as Johnny. Just screaming at the sight of you crushed it. You would have the opportunity you johnny. I love it I really do enjoy it and I like that corresponding outfits. I do want to say I like that coordination important over say something really awful here. There's this tweet that was going around yesterday a couple days ago or whatever this week whenever you listen to this Where this guy was like. You should really try during sex saying positive affirmations to your partner it sounds. It sounds weird but you should try it because at some powerful powerful. When do I make fun of it? Because of course I did but like I often compare wrestling to musicals in that like it gets the point where the things that you need to express only be expressed in musicals by fighting and wrestling by singing. Not Wanna go ahead and and compare it to porn where like feelings that you have can only be expressed By the feelings you have for your step. Mom can only be expressed by. So that's their moment of. He's that's they're saying positive affirmations while they're begging telling her how good she would have been at doing so great so great do do we debt dream for a mix match. Mehan keithly Johnny candidates that takeover see I wanted so bad healthy relationships too emotionally healthy relationships fighting against each other yes please mope icon therapy right now. Please give me this. I need this much of people. Yeah and a bunch of people who are kick ass on their own and could have great matches and then you put them all together in the way that like see when you approach mixed match matches as you would a four way. Even though we know that they're not gonNa let Candice Hit keithly even though she feel like she almost certainly will and I'm very excited about it. Show hit him but he won't. He won't throw her lost the ring she she would take it and be happy about it because that's who Kansas but I when you approach it where it's like. Oh yeah like all four of these people like we can make this a really good match. It doesn't have to be about the weird like gender stuff novas who wins. I don't care what happens. I'm just pumped theater. I'm pumped to see that feud going on imagine having more than one women story at any one time. Get to that in just a second but I the other thing. I want to talk about from an xt speaking of people who need therapy. Dexter loomis suffered a loss at the hands of Roderick. Strong really good he is a mash. Up of every serial killer has ever existed in popular culture. And somehow he's a face. I make the book and I love him like what is happening. I don't know I love it. I love the COP into music. I love the Patrick Bateman precision. I loved the Dexter of it. I love the loomis of it. I love the gloves. I love the head stroking I love the slithering I love. I don't like the Tattoo. But that's his personal choice. I thing the eye contact barrier the sun damage on his skin is concerned because lake. That's he's been out in the sun he's been out in the sun and he needs to put on the SPF Sir but holy Shit. I love the mustache. I love the sweet baby blues. I love this Matica sexual stuff. I think that that's what my cereal open about it. You know what you don't want to be doing if you're loomis a profession where you have to rub up on people for a living is to be holding that stuff in. Carr's we've all seen dexter presumably. That's when it comes out when you're trying to suppress it you've got to embrace sees mergers and let them run wild and free otherwise you will accidentally motor a person and then look where we are and I love him. I love everything about it. Fucking wed. it doesn't feel like NFC all an. I adore it. That's why it's so different. It's so different than a lot of what's on TV and that's different. Like where did this guy who was like? Oh you know what the next thing should be a muschamp of every serial killer ever who strokes people's heads after choking them out. Please please place a gentle kiss on the top of Roderick strong head before you leave the ring. It's all I ask. It's not much daddy. If we're talking about Wednesdays we have to talk about E W and if we talk about a w we have to the hottest recurring segment on any podcast. Anywhere on the Internet did did did the Hi Lindsay. Ignacia cal told you what he w women's division everything match. Oh like you won't believe this how that was one matt's but that will match was I. I'm going to have to preface. This is breaking news continues to come in. That match was supposed to turn into two matches at the pay per view on Saturday. They were going to have to a matches and they made A. That's made a big point on commentary of saying we've got to women's matches on Saturday motherfucker. He didn't say motherfuckers but they made a big point. Like you guys to matches two matches you two matches. There was one match. It was a tag match and sadly it resulted in a pretty. Sarah's injury would seem waiting for confirmation to Brett Baker. I believe it's room it. It may be an ACL injury. Which is very bad for a long time which sucks because she is without a doubt one of the if not the highlight of the women's division. So I mean we just keep talking about this endless. I know but she is the best best and they have on. The Mike Really is in the women's division easily and she's gone from being terrible to being fantastic. I really hope that if she is out if is a serious as all that she can still work in some capacity on the Mike even if it's commentary if his coming to the ring. I don't know I worry about dental practice. People need dentists. I worry this is all it took to show the fundamental flaws in that division. And it didn't even take this you know but that you've taken away one person and who do you put in the match against Chris allender now like who fills in for? What do we do? Like who is as cohesive of a cal a character well-developed full character. I love Nyla. Neither is a beast. That's Milo's character. She's doing it that's what she does. I like Koru Shida. She is she's like. I am a great Japanese fighter. That's what I do. They don't have many fully developed characters. Who are anything other than the thing that they do? Brit is more than a wrestler. She she has catchphrases. She has backstory. She has beefs with people. She has multiple storylines happening. She's capable of that. They don't really have that anywhere else in the women's division so I'm really worried for her because the socks and I am concerned for the division I really hope they pick up some new people or invest more time in developing some more women's. I will say while we're on the topic because it is the topic I will be on a call later today. So when you hear this this we'll have already happened. And hopefully you all know more about it. But I'm going to be on the A W heels call this evening the zoom potty which. I am very curious to find out about which is this brandy touted women's community within aws fandom. I don't know anything else about it yet. Except the gets it get it. I don't know I don't know I only watching it. I'm not part of it like no I think the best super cool denigrating when you don't want to be watching it And it's still very cool to police report back I will. I'm having to call it heals but that's just me I there's a show coming out called heels and it also separates a lot of your audience from you because not all of your lady audiences into that side of being a lady but you know it's clever clever. I will give them the due. Let's see what they're GONNA do with it. Although maybe instead of like creating a little special fan club for their female fans they could just like have female stories than their female funds wouldn't feel left out at wild wild and crazy. Let's see what happens. I'm Jay. Fbi markle stunt wardlow. I'm just GONNA run down the cartoon then we could talk about some specific things. Phoenix beat. Orange Cassidy Darby Allen Shawn Spears and pack all cut promos and then Matt Hardy beat sending Vara after which it was revealed that the inner circle had Kenny Omega strapped to the UPRIGHTS. And we're heading him with a bat. But WHO's US pretty awful? But Zack. Morris costs player Adam round the later. The football field to deliver wasn't not the greatest moment of your week. May who's who is coming. Her returned. Earning God look at that level middle annoys and also. I don't even know if they did it on purpose. But I've watched the GIF eight. I WANNA say roughly eighteen thousand times. He showed so that he is hidden by the walkway between the stairs. Between the seats between the bleaches using that correctly I'm not from here but he's found jerseys like between the his outfit is the same color as the walkway. So he's completely hidden so it genuinely looks like he just appears from nowhere. A makes the run on the gift. So fucking magical I been like this is an okay. A. W. I'm fine with it like I'm not mad about it and then that lasts five minutes. I just like I was bouncing up and down. Yes I thought. It was really hot when they tied Kenny up and beat up. I thought that was pretty not sexy but I realized that. That's not everyone at but the box and then Adam and justice for vanguard one you guys. It made me so happy. It made me really excited for an double. Oh nothing he deserves. Brodie Lee continued his feud with John Moxie by having his minion. Ten take on mocks at a losing effort after which Mosley broke. The guy's arm after after Brodie Lee refused to come to the ring and return the belt to him after a ten second. Count in even get to ten seconds. He was just like we're leaving. Yeah get going yeah. That was nice. I'm not mad about it. I love Brodie Lee. I thought his Parma wasn't as great this week. I'm ready for the match and then I'm ready to see what happens next because I don't I don't think Moxley one because he's only just got the bell and he hasn't really even had it really took it. D Q D Q. I could see brody going for and I think it's fun I'm super pumped for the elite versus the inner circle. I'm kind of interested see whether Nyla Higashida matches because I love both of those ladies but yeah I'm excited to double or nothing which is I didn't I wasn't and now I am so didn't realize it was so excited. Unlocked gentleman forgot. I totally forgot. So Yeah No. I'm right there with lizzy like this. The show last night reminded me. Like Oh Right. Double or nothing. Oh actually really pumped for this. Because I totally want to go. Home show is go home show hope. Zsa and it did the thing it was supposed to do which is make me. WanNa Watch the other thing happening at another time. And if only they would all go home. We're going to go home from the segment if you've got any thoughts on what we discussed connect with us on facebook twitter instagram discord via the leaks in our show notes. We'll be back after this with some things from the wrestling world that you should know about this is Tyson. Fights came Exxon starts. It's Jesse Thorn this week on Public Radio Interview Show Bullseye. I'm talking with Tina Fey and Robert. Kerr lock about creating unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt thirty rock and also just kind of why they're the best at everything. There was a window of time. We go to awards things and pick up our prizes and party with the people from Madman. You can find bowls eye at maximum fund dot org or wherever you listen to podcasts. Just search for Bullseye with Jesse Welcome back to Texas fights. I'm how Lublin and I'm joined today. By and Lindsey CALC. We're GONNA end this week off by sharing of the joy of wrestling with you. This is the three count. Then what would you like to put over then? Just a weird wrestling week with shad passing away and then Dark side of the ring Did Owen also incredibly sad? So I'm gonNA share something. That was really really funny. It's a Tiktok so I don't know if you guys are if you're up on your tick top memes one tick top trend. That people are doing. They put up a bunch of pictures of different celebrities or whatever and they have someone like their grandmother. Mom Try to guess who that person is. And so I think it's a Mia M. I. A. J. W. I l. tiktok and maybe on twitter to had what appears to be their. Grandpa guessing who different. Wwe Stars are and you. Listen to the whole thing. It's very short. It's really funny. W E edition owner. John CENA would be. Oh that's Damn lumberjack Law on him. That's the raw here. I'm smelling what he cooked in. All the Bella twins my God in heaven. All the Shaker year hog racist bath of you is really respecting the Bella twins. That was a nice surprise. I was trying to decide what to put over and it was really hard to choose because there was some really really matches and part of me wanted to put over the drape. Maverick Kushida that's going to result in the triple threat with Jake Atlas. I'm really excited for Sony. People are excited and I thought that was cool. I thought it was a great story. I think drake overdose it. A little bit sometimes come on rain in fellow. You're on telling his pants. One one time and needed never really wanted to over the rea- Ripley Yoshahara match. Because I loved it I really really loved watching them work together and I thought the match was really great. Storytelling couldn't tell where it was going to go. Oh my God is just going to beat the living shit out of o a murder her because she's on her road to revenge is like wait. No is her desire for revenge going to overwhelm her and allow you to get a sneaky win and then what actually happens is charlotte comes out dressed like motherfucking superman to and just kicks off and that was wonderful. That was wonderful on. Its own so I've tried to find some joy in carrying cross to put him over because people are like. Why are you talking about him? Like I'm talking about him because his entrance looks like six foam is doing a play where they sing the evanescence song and it won't end and I hate entrances want ten and then I did some background research learned more about scarlet and carry. It turns out she made a musical theater so now they have gone. From being my least favorite politics t to my favorite part of consign. I now every wildly unnecessary carrying cross entrance. I hate it I really hate it because I just want someone to come out and punch him in the side of the head while they're digging about doing their pretend burlesque show and lip synching to bring me to life. But now I'm treating it as though it's a deleted scene from cats and now I have managed to find some joy and I am excited for their match to Moscow jumper. So that's why I'm putting over the deleted scene from cats slash evanescence tribute act scarlet. One I if you can have fucking Snyder I can have the whole cup. Come on people come on really what you're saying is you want. The people have made cats. Wake you up inside punch you in the head while you're doing your little dogs and she is very perform at i. Never She just. Doing weird twists attorney. Shit let your super heart and you're a good performer. So I want more from you. This is not a johnny candice even relationship but it does look like the goth segment of cats that got cut so for that. Thank you for that gift. I might have been drunk when I watched that this week. But it's cool as fine. The Cross Cross cat isn't GonNa see what happens when you open your heart to joy people given gifts from the universe cry over. Put this over yet but I just started watching undertaker the last ride. Which is the documentary of his last three years in the business from trying to retire trying to have one less good match to go out to repeatedly failing that but I appreciate it was going to say like. They are going to put a question. Mark One ride to last writing wherever you went to buy that and that t shirt that he wears in the talking heads because I watched the first episode. I won't tread on you mark and now I'm going to turn it off. So look out shred the Sean Trash look at a guy who's had an incredible career and his almost quixotic quest to to go out on top with something that he thinks the fans deserve and his own high standards against that is really interesting to watch. I really enjoyed it. And he'd like sort of is willing to tear apart his own work and his awareness. This is a clip. That Julia will have to go find. Because I I didn't keep up the TACO. You'll be fine. Bubble is him talking about the fact that every time he has a match. He's taking opportunity away from someone who deserves it when I got in the rumble knew what about done. Roman reigns is set on a man standing in the ring. The undertaker you're about to put your whole legacy on the line and you know that you have no business being in that match. That match should be somebody. Else's stuffing professional wrestler will say it does sound like all of the other things aside from everything that someone has said about him during his time as being like later and all that stuff it does sound like he at least like practices what he preaches as far as understanding. You know things like that like hey like I am me doing this match means. I'm taking it away from someone else but I'm still doing this man if I was gonNA play Dominos backstage with any trump supporter. Probably be mark. You know Recru- that's the nicest thing I can think to say bs Kay. I'm getting that Tattoo. Yeah that part is I like come on anyway anyway. That's it. That's all the time our producer Julian Burrell has for this week. He's got to get back to playing animal crossing on his Nintendo switch. 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 Ep. 174: Slide off your chairs

Tights and Fights

39:31 min | 11 months ago

Ep. 174: Slide off your chairs

"The park is low perfect Russell. They got off. Aw Aw Yeah Yeah. Yeah Lynn Yeah. Yeah it's wrestling. That could be anybody thieves on right now. I W all every Dr Bite. That's the only anything I know that the only song I know that the CFO dollar sign theme songs are kind of lacking right now. Gone Aren't they yeah. I don't know what they're doing. They're undercover recover in Europe. We'll find out in the next the CFO dollar sign movie. What's going on with Joe? SCIATIC can help I'm into. He's yeah but I think he's also training to be an announcer uh-huh well I don't know if he's doing I think he's still does. His music. REMIX is like on his own time and then they'll use them but yeah no anyway. Welcome the tights and fights the show that discusses wrestling with sincerity and hilarity deserves. I'm how t no heat. How loveline I liked that? One T- no Oh heat or cheat or steal lie cheat steal. You've lie you'd have to. Everybody has in their life. Yeah but I don't as a general policy live a liar liar before and I don't like a convertible. I did the top up because I get chilly. I'm joined today by my fellow member of the Nation of conversation conversation the night hair Danielle Radford. Nice what a week we just had. What a week? What a week anyway? Anyway let's get started with the most recent developments from Wednesday night's shows I had to. I was in a situation this week. Wherever they I I can only watch one? Don't time to watch both and I enjoy wait. Both shows very much. I think this is a choice. A lot of people have and watch the other one later but what I did was I looked at the cards and based on that I decided to watch an xt. And I'm glad I did number one great show top to bottom. Yeah but the main event rea- Ripley taking on Shayna Fazlur for the Women's Women's championship was a barn burner. I'm very ripley. I know we say it. All the time Rear Ripley is a star twenty three years old a star twenty three years. There's old great storyteller like just like has it already has an. That's crazy at that age to be that. Good that quickly and Shadab as Laura. Obviously no slouch either now fantastic. Not I don't even think she's hit her peak yet now but she's if she is. It's a very long peak. Then she he is at the beginning of it without good. She is at at every aspect of her performances. Well here's how that match ended Julian. Rocha opt-in ah Ooh it just came with it. You know I'd be sliding off my chair right now. That was me. Yeah and I would be stuck to mine Great match yeah. It was time I wonder I wonder if they get Fazli. The title again at some point. But I'm interested to see. We haven't really had a lot of face champions for very long periods of time since fan. I think he was the last one. Maybe he was a really long running face champion so interested to see sort of how they carry this off. It feels like Bam and and Bailey when she is in the next bill but but it feels like a heel promotion in that way where it's it's faces chasing heels both yeah rather than the faces beating down. Every challenge of the comes their way which I've been holding model the model. You like you like a baby face. Champion the No. No I like the way annexed. He's doing yeah I do too I do too. It's it's it's more interesting and the payoff of you. Get that gratification. Of the good guy winning overall overall odds versus they they want again and this is part of a winning streak even though wins and losses do matter in the eyes of the fans. I think that was the final match. And then they kick it off with another Barn Burner Adam Cole retaining his ship against Finn Baylor who loses is because of the interference of a returning Johnny Gargano. Who takes the chair to him? I am really excited for this feud yes yes I am so pumped. They're both amazing in the ring. I think they're going to have great chemistry. I'm really excited. Yeah me too. This is a great match though. Considering considering there was really no build up right you knew at some point. He was going to challenge for the title. But there's no real personal issue between them now yet. A long term story so right decision to keep the building. There's like no reason to take it off anytime soon. And the Gorgon I agree with you. The Gargano imbalance is like the right time and to restart that also yeah. I'm really really excited for that. Who from annex t right now do you think would would make sense to put in the royal rumble? Because that's what's coming up next now. I wanna see Johnny wrestling in the Royal Rumble. Yeah I WANNA see I wanNA see. Shane obeys alerts. Like one hundred percent in the women's royal rumble. was she in it. I'm trying to remember I. I don't think she was. I don't think she was but I think that she needs to be my pick. Is Keith Lee. Has Vince loves him. Aw He'll come in and run one watch him. Just throw them boys around. Yeah come in and throw it. 'cause you need someone to come in and throw boys yeah have keithly come in and throw some boys throw. ooh them boys southern boys. We also had a preview of world collide as Pete done took on the Kiwi buzzsaw travis banks again great match. It's really Travis Banks Kid. He's also really young isn't he. He's really young and that's one where it's like. I wish I was more up on my UK wrestling. That's definitely one of my blind spots. Same so I don't know too much about him but yeah wrong. Great Great Match Super Great Storytelling Pete done. I don't think he's capable of having a bad match now but he also like just either guy could have one. And that's that I think it was what that match needed to be because it sparks like made me go. I gotTA check out worlds collide right. It made me feel that way even though I probably won't you not immediately. Yeah well it's you know it's funny. We talk about like how wins and losses matter and I recently watched a lot of Once upon a time in Hollywood have you seen that what I have seen where you've got Al Pacino talking to Leo's character about like the way. This is not a spoiler because it's it's virtually impossible to spoil well that movie that movie's like a mood. It's not like plot thing and he's talking to him about you know. He plays this character. WHO USED TO BE ON TV? And he was a huge TV star and now he does his guest spots where he plays the villain. He's like. Yeah what happens is when you do that. They don't see the character that you're playing. Now they see your old character from your old show getting his ass beat and they see it over and over and over again and after a while that changes the audience's perception of you. Yeah you know the fifty fifty booking and all that it it does matter it does make a difference wins and losses. This is matter because it changes the way that we think about people in their characters. I agree with you. I also think that there's a there's a second layer to that which is wins and losses definitely Bentley matter but also how you win or lose is important so if you're if you're constantly coming up just a little short at or somebody's cheating to beat you constantly. Yes ask that says a lot more about your character and can still move you forward. That's like the question is is your character or is the perception of your character. Staying stagnant isn't moving backwards moving forward absolutely. You always want to move forward. I I would apply that to all medium of of art for whatever you do whether you're podcasting whether you're making big movies is whatever you're doing you want to be. Moving things forward never backwards or staying in the same placed. God you're so i. Aw sorry about a couple of other matches. Depress be Kilian Dane Cameron. Grimes getting picking up a win over. 'cause Shida clean yeah an email. Cherie continuing her run by beating Santana Garrett anything notable here I didn't really find like like all good matches. There's there's nothing that categorize picking up a win. Yeah it's kind of a big kind of a big thing for him Kushida losing. I don't like as much I don't like the wave wave. Yeah I don't like the way the clean one win by like what he'll are you the hill sheets to win you. Just the he'll that 'cause didn't seem like a fluke win. It seemed like a collect. It was pretty decisive. Win Middle The ring even though it was a back and forth match. It doesn't in my eyes doesn't help both of them. WE'LL SEE I. I do a lot. I put a lot of trust in annexed. This isn't one of those things where I'm like great. They're already fucking it up like okay. Maybe I didn't like this but maybe there's a long-term storytelling thing that I don't know and this is the show where I feel confident in saying that that that could be right. Yes let's talk about a w where I am aware of what happened. Even if I didn't see it transpire with my I own two eyes Chris. Jericho did not put the W world title on the line but he did have a magic. It's jungle boy Jack. Perry and he said you won't last ten minutes of me son son. Let's hear what happened after jungle boy was able to last ten minutes against Lucia own. Seemed pretty upset. WHY WOULD I be upset why I would have said I told you? Jungle boy could not beat. Sheffield I told you I told you you said you said he couldn't last has ten minutes with any any. Did you said he couldn't last ten minutes with you and he did last him. I didn't know I didn't you look at a beach. US right here. Every single person out here is wow now. That's I mean look Jericho's very good at what he does. He is very good at his job of being a heel wrestler. He he's like he's just I these. It's like watching a classical flattest. Yeah you can learn a lot. You know it's basic things and doing them doing the best you can. It doesn't have to be doesn't have to be that crazier convoluted to be good. Yeah and he proves that time and again let anybody. You could get a piece of paper and a scarf over separately separately. Yep Two separate things dude can do it all and that's great. Is that why you like your your boys. Because he got he also got a scarf over scarf over. Look I can't admire it. Yeah that's right. I look on anybody in a scarf. I'm going to like you chilly. Willy Big Fan Harry Potter. Sure into it. SCARFS and fire it's it's podcast tappin scarves with myself. It was cold out these two people kissing next week. God tights and scarfs Barthes. I Dunno whatever I lost it. Let's talk about The main event of w tag titles on the line. Scu defeating leading the young bucks to retain those tag titles. I'm I'm glad they did this because I think it was the first defense of those titles. I can't there's so much wrestling I don't remember number but I'm I'm very weather taint. It doesn't help the titles or Scu to have them lose. And I don't think it particularly helps the young but they don't need that help no. Aws shown an interest in long-term storytelling. Storytelling which I really appreciate so I think they made the right choice but I also understand as a fan expecting the young bucks to pick up the win here that it feel with feeling like go there do yeah I think it's hard for me to separate the fact that the bucks are also part owners in the company right and so I can't help but when you watch and it's so weird because it it isn't happening with cody as much but for some reason I think it might just be because because like they are building up a tag division that when I look at that that is what I think of and so I just keep thinking like these are smart moves. These are smart moves. I'm not thinking of it so much as like I like the bucks in their team. They should win in as much as like no. They're doing exactly what they need to do so that when they do win it doesn't look like they're just beating up a bunch of jobbers. It looks like they are or or they're winning against a competent division. Yes absolutely there as business owners. They're being very smart. Yeah at building building an entire tire company because I build it around for. You can't just have four guys and if you have the bucks winning in the bucks have the titles and then then they are the entire tag division and then what happens is what happens in one of them is injured. What happens when You know they might need time off like what happens if suddenly and also you just can't I don't WanNa Watch one. One team dislike. Be The end all be all of a division. That's so boring. Yeah I'm excited for private party to get the belts. I love those guys so much. I I had an idea I wanna run a booking thing past. You was talking with Julian about this and I know we can't do it because we're we're in a world where the champion exists slant but if just for the sake of argument wouldn't this be great M J. F Cody Rhodes to lose to lose his match so he can't challenge for the title again but now he wants revenge on Mj. F who wins the world title. So that he doesn't have to face cody and then the program is cody. Trying to get the belt off of him without helping the one to wrestle him and Mj doing everything to keep the belt not only because he wants to be the champion and keep the championship but because he he doesn't want cody to be able to wrestle him in a ring. A good story right. I see what you're saying. I think that'd be a fun story. Yeah I mean they're not doing it now. I'm not saying this is they should be doing. I just thought like that's a fun little bit. I would like to see that. I don't think I've ever seen that story before. I'm trying to because you know everything the oldest new and wrestling so. I'm trying to think if I have but I don't think so So brand new. I'm available for contract. Work Visionary. Yeah it'll come to the ring with the laptop thing Speaking of cody he Darby Allen picked up a victory against the butcher and the blade. Dr Mind I tender and the loser Bros.. Just want to read what it says deluce Bros.. Eating Kenny Omega again hanging out of I mean they made a meal out of them they made out of. I'm not forgive Juliette everybody. He was up late watching star war or the B button on. My keyboard is very finicky. The beef kick it into keyboard. It's it's attached to the screen again. It sucks anyway. Let's end the way we started. Let's talk about women's Title News Chris Stat Lander beat Brit Baker. Which means she'll take on Reijo for the Awa Women's Championship next week? Very excited very excited for Rio. Yeah I'm excited to see her comeback. Hold up wait let me check. Jericho say they're not they're not I think it's I think it's the following week so just yeah no January could be be out. That sounds right. Good the a good take time off please please. Hey what's your family will be fine. We were okay take time off. Let's split good. Yeah and you want to work for a company that give recent time off around the holidays. Yeah it's very nice. Yeah I we will be okay. I don't need to watch wrestling on Christmas Day. Live simply don't but it should be a good match. Yeah I'm very. Hey can I'm excited for really. Oh no he'll face face that's okay. We don't really have a hill except for awesome. Why well you know what story for another another time again building up the division building division only there were a huge monster heel with a belt of pelts who could take belt off of her in about ten seconds and then if everybody nobody chase it when it helped legitimize burgeoning he'll facts but also you have to remember that same monster with pelts on? Her belts is also an actress. Who is interesting stuff? She is so it would be a reason why she's not on. I wouldn't mind her coming down from the mountain right. Yeah in fact that's that would almost be A. He'll like we've established. That's that's okay to do now to get the belt and skedaddle. Could you has no champion. 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Don't get all of a sick yet. Carry yourself but also I have to be on a plane at five thirty tomorrow morning. I can't W A kid there'll be sick and going to come in. And then she was like no. I'm definitely not feeling. Yeah that was good practicing self care all of you out there practice out. Your health is more important than whatever you have to do at work. That's a fun lesson on everyone anyway. let's talk about. WWe's tables ladders and chairs. Oh my it is a show filled with high and low points. So let's start with the new day beating the revival on a ladder match to retain the smackdown tag team championships. Great match loved the match. Love that that match yeah. I don't know what else is there to say. It's tough for those two teams not to have a good match any configuration poor Xavier still still outsor- recovery raised some fun staff but Kofi and big year certainly holding holding down the fort and felt like maybe I saw a couple things that I hadn't seen before the ladder matches logic. Wise does a little more logic to it. I don't know I didn't. I didn't love the SUPLEX onto the ladder. The ladder the folded in half. That's not my favorite. Yes take care of yourself you gotTa have it. GotTa have the Gimmick Ladder break in half. Yeah I don't either. Well we'll talk about later on the God's sake I want to discuss something that I thought was great. I hated not something negative and talk about something positive but I just want to give to the for somebody who go look the same thing and the demon to me were the only difference between the to was makeup ramp when Bray Wyatt comes out to wrestle his first match in the sweater as the new version of Bray Wyatt and has his has the Firefly funhouse song right and it's completely different and doesn't want to wrestle but is happy and is apologizing and laughing while he's in holds it's it's a completely different match and it is like I can't say enough about her great bray. Wyatt is for his ability to play at this point. What four different versions of Roy of one core central character? Yeah and now doing to them at a time both of which are believable. And thank thank God. I was thinking about this. I what I love about wrestling being a work is that he can build those moments of laughed like just just he plays it so he's such a good actor yes absolutely and the MS to like two very good actors in the ring together worked really really well well from even though there was no buildup I had no stakes in the match. There was no surprise out was going to how they are to people and their several in the the company who you can throw them into something where it doesn't feel like it hasn't he stakes and they're gonNA make GonNa make you know chicken salad under chicken shit however that fucking stupid phrase goes there. They are the a two they can do it and they can do it with people who can't aren't also on that ability and carry the home by themselves so when you put them together in a ring that's going to be good you know we're going to be eating good. Yeah I I got the emotional stakes of it. I think they built that well over the weeks or whatever it was enough. I just like that's a match. You go into say so you have after remember. I'm not watching a lot of main roster right now but even even if you just read about it it's enough to know yeah. There's no way Mrs winning the world title here this is. This is literally literally a filler match. We're on the road. They're all feeling from here and We got the return of Borneo Brian. Yeah Cute Haircut. What cute boy? He's a cute. I like the short hair and the really short beard too tired of the billy goat. I know I like Total Divas Daniel Price. Yeah Yeah Yeah Look Great. I love the return. I don't know what this means. I don't like he doesn't seem like the guy's going to beat the fiend but he could be quiet. Yea Yeah it'd be. Maybe I'm this is what I'm like I will. I'll be cautiously optimistic. And see where they go. Yeah Yeah because again either way because even if the storyline it's not my favorite Bray Wyatt Daniel Bryan. Yes please I want that. I want that in my face. Yeah so there you go. We didn't have the crowd didn't agree with us they. They didn't like the match as much as we did. But you know there live crowds have been so fucking weird lately. Yeah it's weird. It's always weird to see a crowd in silence after something. Yeah it's it's very weird like getting tarred we've been getting a lot lately. It's I don't know what's going on. Yeah there were a few non title matches. I allison black. Beat Buddy Murphy. Come on Buddy Mark God. I'd I'd I did not know that two years ago but he murphy was going to be one of my favorite Britt things in Huda. Nobody wanted it to that but I mean maybe Alexa but damn he's good. Yeah that was a great and I should have no him versus black. That's another another one where it's like. Yeah that's GonNa be a match that I wanNA watch poor black his nose. I told the everywhere it was like you remember the Eric Red commercial a parody from SNL. The shot blood out. Shut up blood. That's what it reminded me of the way I don't I don't I can't I don't oh I can't don't shouldn't have been doors. Match agree with me adores and I had the stairs. Make it a doors match. There always knocking on doors trying to get to each one of them at the door. The first person to go when somebody there you have to lock your opponent. That'd behind a door in the that'd be really good. You shove him. At a door like monsters they wind up in a child's bedroom larussa bobby Lashley table match. The actual match was fine. I don't care I feel bad for them. They're both fantastic performers formers. I don't care about bums me out Because I want to care very deeply about both of these characters. Yeah Yeah we're Next next week we're going to do a deep dive on route. You can all hear a more expanded thoughts about the storyline in general. Let's move on to the I T L we'll see match which is King Corbin. Who had the help of Ziglar and the revival to defeat Roman reigns Problem with us. I liked it. It took four guys to be Roman reigns makes them look strong emotional burn corporate. We'll take a chicken shit. He'll which is supposed to do so you know at a certain point. It's like well. What do you want from these guys? I know it's been going on too long. I would like to move onto but also like that's a good match and I don't think that that is that is my thing right now with wwe. In general. Because I keep bringing it up. It's just like yeah a lot of moving parts. It's going to be weird matches with a week build up you know no. It's going to be the these things that are happening too long. Because nothing's GonNa start happening until we get into the road especially isn't GonNa anything happening during the holidays and so with all of these. I'm like the things that would normally frustrate me because logically. I know that stuff is going to be happening soon. I'm like more okay with or maybe even maybe complacent is the worst yet. Like get us through we all we all know. We're treading water back six weeks. Let's make the matches good. Yeah let's get back to the final title match coach of the night. The Kabuki warriors retain the women's Tag Championship over Becky Charlotte this I love all four of these women. I think they're all very talented. There's no way I could do one millionth of what they do right as a fan. This was a sloppy mess. It was sloppy mess. Kyra sane very concerned server. Yeah and I'm glad that she tweeted out like her her thumbs up and you know like I don't know what it's like to wrestle like I've I'm a performer. I know what it's it's like to to perform live. I don't know what it's like to wrestle. Live with the hotlines and all the crowds and getting so into it and all that stuff but like if I from home can see that she is clearly concussed. Yeah like where was the communication breakdown in there for you now. Yeah of course you know Charlotte that that is going to that moves gonNA get botched and the slap in the face and just all that stuff is just like. I don't and I don't know that I blame Charlotte because I think that she's kind of doing what she you know. She was doing her in character. Stuff Yada Yada Yada but there was a communication breakdown and I think and this is going to be maybe slightly leave. I don't know I think that you've got to start. Training refs on basic very. If you've got foreign language people like folks were not speaking English as their first language. Guage your refs have to start learning at least basic words so that they can communicate with them effectively. When it comes to that you can you can do the word you know you can do the the word for stop you can do the work? You know what I mean just one or two basic suck in words in Japanese one or two basic fucking words in Spanish like I think the refs have to start. I'm doing that and I don't know if that's what the problem was because I know that there's also a lot of like signals and signs and stuff that they do that are nonverbal and maybe she just was not able to do that and communicate that because of where her brain was house. Yeah I don't know where that break down but they got tight mash it up because that was that could have gotten very bad. Even if that had not happened the match still I think would have felt like a mishmash. That's worth kind of like not the best work that any of them into a stinker remedial but we've all seen them have the a plus plus plus plus plus matches. We've seen it from every single person in that ring and so when you watch a match that just looks like it's barely came together from again. A plus mega plus s plus women's talent. It's a little like what what happened. What was the? Yeah the miscommunication. Where was that like? What is the cause? When you've seen the best version of something yes and and and and then it comes back and it's supposed to be this big main event thing and it falls short? Yeah but you just. You can't get settled. It's hard to settle your expectations. And it's a little heartbreaking for the people in the ring to yeah because we want all of them and we have seen the absolute not just the best rest of them we have seen them be the best of wrestling each and every one of them at one point Can we got. I don't know what happened. I don't know why this didn't work. I've seen all four of those women were great. I've seen them all work. Great with other other folks so I don't know if it's just like adding all these extra elements makes it more complicated but also like I don't I don't need to. I can just do a regular I duNno. It's fine I I. It's just I like them all so much. Yeah that it does it just kind of like a little bit of a bummer. Sure it looks like Becky is going to be taking on an Oscar soon title on the line. Here's a clip. The last few months. I've I haven't been myself. He's taken out of singles competition. I was putting the tag team division and I I thought that the powers that be were trying to bury me then then I realized that it's something much worse. They're trying to protect me. I look at the merchandise and the posters and the corporate events and and I realized that I'm the Golden Goose now and they don't want that to end this championship. Says that I'm the best. But this champion says an Oscar is the best in the world right now last night proved it. TLC last year proof that the last world rumble proved it. You might say that I'm handling this loss by looking at things. Honestly she is always such a great interview. Yeah she's and I've said this before before. I know it sounds very silly. Go see the marine six becky. Amazing really legitimately very very good at it and I do think if she ever or decided that she wanted to be an actress actress. She could do it yes. She could. Percent mentioned in the match. It's good story. It's a good. That's good piece of long memory awesome a year ago. Yeah most just like I do man. I if there's anybody if there's any woman on that roster that could food take some strong sow kicks and like make them make herself look stronger. It's Becky and that's one like I've she's been amazing amazing since that moment right before survivor series a couple years ago when she became the man that moment with the bloody nose and all that stuff. I don't think we've gotten a chance is to have her reach quite like that moment of like Holy Shit because she's been kind of consistently good but if we can get another moment like that and I don't need her nose to be blended be injured but just that moment of like. Oh Yeah you're GONNA kick the shit out of me but I'm still here if we can get another one of those out of her and mismatch which is what I'm hoping for Oh dislike solidifies solidifies. How amazing she is one hundred percent? Finally the main piece of business on raw was a gauntlet batch for the number one contender ship to ray mysterious the US title good showing ricochet good showing CORREO and And Andre but of course at the end it seems like the number one contender to will in fact be Seth rollins and a pipe. Okay so now. I'm your thank discussed so far. Connect with us on facebook twitter and instagram via the links in our show notes. We'll be back after this with a couple of things from the wrestling world. I hope you should know about. This is a special pre holiday edition of toys invites. Oh hold hi. I'm Janet Varney and like many of you. Brand new sentient robots excluded. I used to be a teenager. In fact just about all of my friends were to including folks like comedian Daniel Radford then of course all of us you take on that theater accent and our teacher would say no. It isn't how people talk right. Don't do the super were theater. Kid Accent it's the worst but so when I was doing theater in high school of course I immediately was talking about being in the fit. Join me every week on the. JV Club podcast. where I speak with my favorite women artists innovators and humans as we reminisce about the past? And how it led us to becoming who we are finding every Thursday on maximum fun title fight. I'm joined today by. It's the holiday season. So so what D- do an addict doc. We're going to do something special for the three count. Julian play the clip of it. It's very rare. This season of giving and having an loving and receiving that we all agree divided world divided country for people to come together and actually share a a love of something and Daniel and I both wanted to put over the same thing so rather than argue over. who gets to do it? Let's put it over together. Yeah go ahead. So eighty eighty w put out a Christmas commercial I guess it aired before the Lakers versus the bucks And we just thought that it was very very pleasant and there's really funny moment at the end and we'll play that for you know. What did he took me a pack? The Jews are pet dinosaur scape worth. It's nothing because I celebrate Hanukkah. Why am I doing this? TNT that chevaux yes. I decided that that was like really funny. And like I like that ending of it where it's like. I'm Jewish like yeah it's fantastic helps helps you like look if you're uninitiated. You know a little something about each of the characters that makes you want to watch the show Just he's got your heart. Oh boy he's got your heart rate and saying he's got a scarf wrapped around my heart scarred forever. Heart brilliant brilliant little piece of business and hey to all of you who celebrate Happy Holidays Merry Christmas happy kwanzaa heavy boxing day. Have a great twenty six or great Wednesday or have a good Wednesday. I said Doll. WHO celebrate celebrate? Wednesday's great to those of you who celebrate Hanukkah like me and Jeff Sunday night is when it all begins and I hope you all take time not only to others and thoughtful to others but to yourself as well because you deserve it. It's been a hell of year recharge and and go round into two thousand twenty. Whatever it is that you do with your life that does it for this episode of tights and fights this week your hosts were Daniel Radford? 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The Art of Process with Aimee Mann and Ted Leo, Episode 3, "In the Belly of the Rock": Dan Wilson

The Art of Process with Aimee Mann and Ted Leo

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The Art of Process with Aimee Mann and Ted Leo, Episode 3, "In the Belly of the Rock": Dan Wilson

"Lucas duda. Duda. Durga dig it to get a good deal on where near. That's your beer theme. So just to to. Visitors dum, dum, dum, boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Oh, I'm Ted, Leo. And I'm in man, welcome to the art of process where we discuss how form and structure and organization is part of the magic of the creative process. The underrated underbelly of the creative process. Underbelly. I was just about to say, maybe the first underrated underbelly history of of underbellies. Although. I've seen many acute underbelly. I gotta say do not usually refer to usually referred to as as a belly. I feel like you're when you are saying underbelly. What you're thinking of is cute. Little stretched out kitties show in their little fluffy underbellies, or like a fish with like a blurp fish looking. Can. Rolling over some of those underbellies are underrated. That's what we're discussing. Hang on a second though. Those are just bellies. So what's an under Bali? I guess it's like a belly under an under belly would be a belly under a belly underbelly. The street is that we've really been talking about like, let's say there's a rat. Which by the way rats have an underrated cute belly. Very underrated possibly not rated at all except by rat owners are a lot of enthusiastic rat owners out there. But so when you say the underbelly are you talking about what's under what a rat is crawling on? In other words, it's lower than the rats like it's the slime in the streets. I think it's like when you pick up the rock what's under that. And. Yeah. So if like a rock had a belly. Yeah. The belly of the rock you're in the belly of the rock now with us. Anyway, that's what our podcast is about this week. We had the pleasure of talking to musicians and songwriter. Dan Wilson, Dan is too many of us. I think probably known best for some of the band's he was in trip. Shakespeare, and then, of course, semi sonic, the the gigantic kit with closing time, which is now stuck in all of your heads. And we'll be for a long time to come. But also has an incredibly successful career as a songwriter. And he's worked with many many names that are much bigger on the festival poster than either mine or yours. Yes. We've we're always in like the second or third tent. Yeah. So we're in the underbelly of the festival posts. I I met Dan when the three of us were part of a charity event at a large house in Los Angeles year and a half ago or so it was an incredibly incredibly hot day. I remember who had the choice of either standing in the sun. But where there was air movement or under this tent where you were out of the sun. But where there was no air movement. So sort of like fry or slow bake and any sane person to my mind would choose a slow bake fry or convection oven th others. I remember about that was the the refreshments in the cooler. The only snack was yogurt. Just seem like very unrefreshing can very hot outdoor it. Feels like a fermented dairy product is not the best not the not the most cooling choice. I think my preferred use for that would have been disproved it on myself. To protect from. Rather than actually ingest yogurt on such a such a day. But but Dan was there, and I remember sitting on a couch in that tent and just falling conversation with him. And he was so kind and had let such an interesting life and was such a generous conversationalist that he was one of the first names that came to mind when we had the idea of doing this podcast. I agree with that. And without further ado here is Dan Wilson. Got starts terrified. Notes. Did they much doing? Yeah. With us jump right in name. You've probably been the past number times before. Right. Have crossed every now. And then since like nineteen eighty three that sounds, right. Yeah. I feel like we played together into one of Boston's many many clubs that you know, it was like a restaurant bar in the back. There was music. That's I remember you. I still remember at ease or something like that. Or when not even diners even think. His rock puppy is that there's a song that you played that. I remember to this day from here at one time. So to me that that really qualifies you is like an extraordinary kind of songwriter because I feel like back then people just weren't myself included weren't really writing songs. And so it was unusual to come across somebody who's writing songs with melody and lyrics that actually meant something in that band that I had with my brother brother, Matt, and I were both really into somehow the idea of being songwriters in addition to being in a band like it was definitely a full-sized conceptual part of what we're doing. Well, that's interesting because I think that's I mean, it's interesting and seems obvious at that's a qualification you'd think that you want to be that that that's something that's valuable to us to be song writer in to think about what that means to you. What would that mean to you at that point? And how is that going along like sort of craftsmanship Ella? -ment? I think when I was starting out in bands, the things that attracted me were never really bandy like I was into as a kid I was into Led Zeppelin very much, but I was not into the idea of being anything like Led Zeppelin. It just didn't even occur that that seemed like an another world entirely to be a band type of band. And so the things that I gravitated to were always more like Elvis Costello, which is like sort of band like, but really even back, then he was like a singer songwriter kind of spruced up as a band guy like more like a huge loud voice with this kind of rocking band way in the background. And even Joni Mitchell being one of my sort of idols and Carole king. I just always had more of a focus on the songwriter icon on it's interesting because at that point in time in retrospect, historically, think of it as more of a band time like the era of the seventy. Singer-songwriter was kind of you know, sunsetting at least, and but the really were couple of parallel streams happening because most of the thrust of the punk thing was about being in a band. Oh in even sublimating your identity as a songwriter to the density of the band yet. But at the same time with a foot in that world, you had Nicklaud and Elvis Costello and people like that who had no problem playing under their own name that they did have kind of a band feel. They they had the best of both worlds. And I do, you know, my memories of the sort of early eighties was that that everything was kind of band oriented. There wasn't a lot of, you know, the singer wasn't really I don't know. Even like Bruce Springsteen, he had a band band sound. I think of the thing that's running in my mind right now is stop the world and melt with you kind of the texture and vibes of bandaged like the cure and things like that. I even have sort of a strong memory in the semi sonic days of accidentally telling my anarchy guy that I wanted to make records that were like rock records. But. Secretly they were Simon and Garfunkel records, and he was so upset and angry. Because it's like death. Damn sounds fantastic. To him for some reason, he was wrong. But it really scared him. Part of what we talk about is people's process, and at what point did you start to see structure or encounter structure in songwriting and lyric writing, and what did that look like to you? And or did it just come. So naturally that you didn't really think about it. No didn't come naturally. I think what I was doing early on was trying to write and play things that sounded like stuff that I liked. I was trying to write things that sounded like the Beatles are always Castillo or Joni Mitchell, and I slowly started to figure out the form and structure of those people songs, I never would have realized for example, that the Joni Mitchell song that I love the best are just sort of a circuitous looping series of ideas that then repeats. It doesn't feel like verse chorus Hoke bridge. It's more like a minute law. Long loop of things then she starts again. And it doesn't have a pop structure at all. I only realized that because I was trying to figure out how to write a song like her, right? And then almost the opposite. Like the Castilla records that I was listening to I started realizing that like hand in hand by Stelco it starts out with the thing. That's very obviously averse and has a verse like structure, and then it does kind of beach, boys. Drumbeat pre chorus section. That's a different kind of chantey little hook. And then there's a thing. That's obviously a chorus. You know, after that, you could really see his the chunks of what he was doing as I started to like analyze, and my brother Matt started to decide that that was because people like that had little pieces of music laying around that you could if they're in the same temple. You could just put them after another not that's not necessarily, no. No. I don't think I've done much of it by probably I've probably done it. Yeah. I've probably say like one hundred. Yeah. That's really interesting. So I figured out the structural thing. Partly just trying to copy those artists that who's writing. I thought was cool. Right. So yeah. And we talk a lot about imitation as a way that people often start out. My first efforts were like, I just want to write a thing. That sounds like a song write lyrics that sound like lyrics, and then in the service of doing that you end up kind of writing this like other peoples there, but just to get something on paper. And and it takes a while to kind of figure out what fits, and what doesn't what do you think you kept from from the people you were imitating. What do you think that you ended up rejecting? Well, I think part of what I kept was the idea that it was doable. Because once I can see them at work. I realize it was just people trying to do something like that. So I was starting to piece together it seems so miss mystique fif-. Filled and impossible at first to get from where I was at with no ability or skill to where they were at which was this mystical mountaintop. But then when I started to see what they were up to. I realized the might even have been songs where I was like I wouldn't have put that section there. And at that point, I started to realize they're just doing stuff like I am, you know, going back to what you were saying about the little pieces of that song specifically to get real inside baseball think that understanding the value or the ways to use it pre chorus as such is, you know, it's kind of something you have to learn a little bit. And it does unlock a whole puzzle. That you then realize this is why that hook works so much better than had it just abutted again, hanging versus something and being able to take some of those tools along with you. And then squeeze your own voice out through that somehow the there's two mysteries about it that I can kind of pinpoint when this one happened, which is yes, you know, you're of trying to copy. And if you got a Dacia enough to start a band in the new wanted to have original songs, and then suddenly have this task to write a whole bunch of songs. So you're just banging out songs. Just to do the show. These said, you were going to do some of it's very functional and very, you know, instead of trying to glorify yourself, but you know, the there is something to do with like, well, I got a fillip Forty-five minutes because we agreed to do this show. So then how does it go backwards to where those tools or abilities or that emulate opens up something soulful like channel to your own soul, fullness and your own pains and joys start bleeding into the music. I don't know how that happens. That's like a mystery to me. Well, I'm going to I'm going to say this might be putting too much into it. But you kind of just described what a lot of rituals do in other aspects of life. Whether it's a religious service or something else. There are these forms that are repeated and the have been developed over thousands and thousands of years. Yeah. That, you know, not always, but sometimes actually do enable one to transcend a little bit the your immediate surroundings and tap into that ineffable thing that you're trying to express really is something about learning a skill. I mean, it's a kind of language that you learn eventually, you learned enough to be able to say some things, but but there is a kind of magic that happens. I think that when new really pay attention to the details of it to the the building blocks of it the chop wood carry water aspect of it that something you know than this. This extra thing does happen. But it takes a long time. I I had a really wonderful kind of artistic growing phase in the early nineties early to mid nineties. I was friends with a playwright still him and he was a songwriter as well. And we never talked about the nuts and bolts, but I started paying attention to play writing. I've never done it myself. But I started paying attention to it. Because I started to realize there's a certain thing. That they do for example, if there's an intermission. There's a certain thing that they do where like a door opens and one more character walks back on that was has been off stage for fifteen minutes or twenty minutes. Another door open opens up and another character walks on and said something else, you know, dire finally won last person stands up and says the ultimate dire thing and then the lights go out, and it's time for the mission. And then you're everyone's hair is standing on end at that point. Because it like it's just been this crescendo of meaning, and implication and consequences, and then the lights go out, and it's such a formal thing. It's like when the writing the play they're like Ma this is a great thing for that. Last person to say the play before the emission, you know, bang the lights come out, and you're like completely blown away in the audience. But when right in the play itself, the people are following almost like a time-honored sequence that leads to that like tension filled to Spence full intermission talking in the lobby. He kind of and songs are totally like that too. I kind of learned that from my friend Craig in a way that that song's have this. They they're they're they're like tiny casual play. But they have that still have that quality of you can tap into the sequence of things that leads to dramatic feeling you know, and consciously away. We're going to take a quick break. And we'll be back with the art process. Greetings. I'm plaque deck setter contact from Zik squadron, which is frankly sort of crappy, but I'm here on a heroic mission with my trustee crew. See fifty three. Exaggeration and security officer, Dr recording. We're all traveling aboard our trustees starship that are Jerry and Jade. Bharti? I was just flying sweep. Hey, there Zola Ford I play plaque. And we are so excited to announce that our podcast mission to six is now part of the maximum fund network. Our third season launches on max fun on March. Twentieth. Binge seasons. One and two right now. That's mission. Zits Z Y X. I don't want to be too reductivist about it. But I think that there are a lot of ways of thinking about art forms that you know, you can apply to other art forms. Yeah. I thought about that a lot with literature and poetry to how different ideas about different forms of poetry. For example, could be applied to not the lyric rating, but the music of song, which leads me to asking you you've done a lot of visual art over the years as well. Maybe even before you start playing music always played music as a kid, but I thought for a long time I thought that I was going to be a painter who had a hobby of playing music. Yeah. Have methods crossover or have, you know ways of thinking crossover between the two thumb. I mean, it's interesting because musical collaboration is very very different for me than writing a song alone writing a song alone. From me doesn't matter. What the mood of the song is it's like a melancholy experience, not a bad one. But it's it's like being on a rowboat alone. Calm Seve, you know, and it's not isolating. It's just me and myself, and my thoughts, you know, and painting his totally like that. But collaborating musically, you get to sort of have the creativity and the song and the music come out. But it's somehow skips that melancholy stuff. I feel that's kind of. I don't think I could do. What would I do collaboratively without constantly going back to that lonely? Rowboat, you know, and being alone in that way. But I think paint painting an art is this like the issed end of music. Sometimes I think that when we talk about these ways of songwriting, I'm afraid that it can come off as too clinical or were just doing science and not alchemy, but I've found in our collaboration clever with Amy which was really the first time that I ever wrote truly collaborative with someone, you know, there are a couple of hurdles to get over in sort of not removing your soul from the process, but removing a certain amount of ego. Oh from the process that you could simultaneously look at it. As a puzzle to be solved and a piece of work to be made better through some of these specific forms and rituals. You've done some really deep collaborating with people as well. And I wonder how much that changes from artists artists. Like, what's the breath of were just working on a puzzle? Or when really almost in the rowboat with you this, you know, it's really different from person to person, partly even in my collaborative life. It's a lot of probably half of my sessions threw out the air people. I'm just meeting and then like half of them are with people that I have worked with before. And with the person that I'm just meeting one of the unknowns is whether they even really want to do it which is weird because I feel like why bother but there's a certain amount of pressure. You better go over to dance, and you know, like make some used in the person who is like my assessment of myself is that in the music business. I'm. I'm like one of the horse whispery nicer kind of people don't believe in tears when I have a session, you know? So if you're like a. Certain collaborator. I'm not going to humiliate you into writing a song. You know what I mean? So people at the labels or management think oh, send person a very hesitant to Dan whose nights they won't it won't ruin their day. And they they might feel better like writing songs with other people. And so I get from that to people who are like, I'm like, I would rather shoot the breeze for a while before even doing anything, but I do occasionally walk into a session with say a producer in an artist in me. And we walk in we say, hi what's up, and how's it going in the producer goes? All right. Check it out, and they like instantly like five minutes into it. They're playing this track super loud, and we're supposed to go like, okay. Okay. I guess I have some ideas. Let me write in my journal. I feel like that's not what I would want to do. But everybody's got their own crazy methods. And I tend to kind of like just be amazed in jump into it. What are you able to come up with ideas under pressure? Like right at the like right now, we'll not under pressure. But right. Now. Yeah. Just right now not under pressure. Like, I I was just laughing with a friend of mine who's a really really good song writer and artist. And she was saying she recently had a session where the two other writers. She was working with kept saying things like I don't know is this idea gonna make rich or they would say doesn't doesn't sound like a smash to me. And my friend was saying, you know, there's nothing to her like more inhibiting than someone saying is this gonna make us rich because she immediately goes, maybe not, you know. And then like, it's probably not a good idea. Maybe it sucks and non enriching idea. I can't. Ninety percent of the. Make you rich is how much money is already behind what you're doing. Well, that's a big part. It depends on how much money people are going to spend to make it will. I recently had a session with the person that I admire, and we wrote one unfinished thing that I liked a lot and one finish thing that I liked a lot and refinish sort of putting a demo together. And listen to it. I said, this is amazing. I was so into it. And she goes, I think it's kind of an album track. I hope it's not a bummer to say. And I said that depends. Let me think about that. Okay. Let me ask you question with your other hits, blah, blah, blah about these other hits. Did you know right after you wrote them that they were hits. And she went no, I had no idea. And I said, well, you could say this album track. All you like that. I don't care. You gotta remember no one's assessment of like, this is gonna make us rich fine. You can say that all you like it's all random are not all not all rent ninety percent. Yeah. You roll the dice everyday all the time. You're going to roll some really good numbers, but still random just can't even imagine writing. I can't imagine writing like that. I really can't. I mean, do you have a feeling about like, what is hop something? That's gonna go over on radio. Or when you something or can you there's there's kind of a mode that you can get into. No. I don't think that I think. Okay. Two answers one is. I do have a sense of when something is going to be a hit. But I never can apply it or tap into it right at the right time. Right. My sense for what's going to be hit is always comes in the form of like, this is amazing of the so much. But it never occurs to me to go. And therefore it's going to be hit. Right. I don't ever go there. I forget you can't go today is the day going to really writes the hit like on. No. And my one thing about my history is that I have been rewarded bunch of times for writing things that. Even the people around me didn't assess as yes that no one thought my hits were going to be hits. They all kind of snuck their way into wait a minute. This. Maybe we this is this is the single wo Kay. Let's think about that. They they all sort of basically came from like, I've never had a successful song where I had written it with like, I guess the kids like this bullshit. I'll never cynically have had anything successful happen. So none of the reinforcements in my life relate to the first part of that question that said, I love pop music, and I love what's going on. And there's certain things that I hear that. I go. Well, I love that. But I can't contribute to that. That strained music is amazing. I'll listen to it all the time. But I'm not going to be a guy jumping in intersect with that on the other hand, I can sort of siphon off some of the vibes that if I like it and put it into things I'm working on. But also there's other things that I hear in the wider world. And I'm like, oh, I could really help that person. I already can tell. I could be involved in that way. I could bring something useful. So that's my like ultra privileged circumstance. I can't always like say you I'm gonna write with you know, what I mean? But to some degree, I can at least say here's a a bunch of things. Can we try reaching out to them, right? And quite often someone will go. Yeah. Of course, let's do that. Well, that's fantastic. Yeah. I feel like I just have one speed I once feed in its why Playa to whatever project, I'm working on. But you have a I would say this about both of you that when we're talking about or how Howard defining knowing what's a hit or about having a taste in a in a sense of what makes a quote, unquote, s- good pops on that is appealing to me yourself a writer, and how that, you know, for myself, and how to be impatient enough with outcomes are working on to know that you still need to keep making a better and how to get also to a point where like well. That's that's awesome. I'm done. You know, like, those are that's all important. But it's not it's not for me not to I know people who are like, well, I don't like it personally. I know people who would say I don't like personally, but people are going to like it. Yeah. That's not. I cannot do that. I could see arriving at that point having worked on something. And being able to just have the perspective to understand that like this is going to be for somebody. You know, this is gonna work for somebody early my favorite thing I've ever done. But yeah, that's interesting. I don't think I have. I think I only know if it works for me. I don't ever know if it works for anybody else. I have to let that go entirely. It's a simplifying factor for you, though. Yeah. If is one meter that you consult. Reads, pretty high. Okay, must be good or not. Take quick break. We'll be back with our guest. Dan will. Listen, we already know that you love John, remove these craft and female filmmakers. So if you love all those things then by transit of property, you love my podcast switchblade sisters. Hi, I'm film critic April wolf every week. I have a conversation with a different female filmmaker about their favorite genre. Film. Each episode covers the filmmaking process working in the film industry, and just like general geeking out about awesome movies. 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And when I do that I recognize that feeling and then like, I really clear everything out if I'm with people, I might just give me a minute because I have to I'm gonna go out side, or, you know, go out to my car just have to record a bunch of stuff or write it down or whatever it is. I can tell in that feeling is on me. And I can channel a whole bunch of good lyrics. And then other times doesn't happen like that. But I can you know, the kind of conversation you have or the person keeps making you laugh because they keep referring to the thing you said an hour before. Yeah. And they keep making reference to something you said and putting it in a new context or new light. And it's such a sexy thing in great thing when they when someone does that in a witty way. Yeah. Yeah. The calling back. To the previous topic that seemed irrelevant, but it's not well, if I'm not in that sort of like channeling flowing phase lyrically. Yeah. I think I can kind of access a kind of musical quivalent to that conversational right thing where stuff that randomly came up earlier in the day. Suddenly seems like a good metaphor for what's happening right now or something that somebody said at lunch son is like wait a minute. That thing they said was totally great and it works rhythmically. And then if you suggested also it's fun because then they realized that it's something they said, but it was just casual that side can kinda take over. That's really nice. That's nice. It's like so you your ears sort of working to pick up little tidbits throughout the day, storing them up for you, maybe or main you don't really even realize subconsciously, you know, trying to and also that has to do with a little bit with the found like if I have problems with reading words to a section of a song. I have a couple of books of Bob Dylan lyrics, just opened it up. There's always some word that just shouldn't be in asong. Yeah. In Dylan song. Yeah. It's always got some phrase is nice. Yes. You laugh out loud. Because no one else would ever thought to put that in. And then at that moment. I'm like, well, maybe steal that word from Dylan that'll freshen things up for me. You know, I've I've found I've found it to be useful to be able to let go of my initial idea about where song was even going lyrically. If you can find a phrase or word, her prime, a meter with something that might take you in a different direction to allow yourself to go with with the form in that case, see where that takes. You idea was one thing that I that I often find myself saying in sessions is people will say this chorus, and I'll go we don't know. I don't know. Yeah. It's be trying to beat it. I really don't like to like getting back to the Castillo verse pre chorus chorus post chorus hook thing at this point. I try to avoid thinking of those terms. I just I wanna raise them, and it's like four kind of choruses in a row each sort of different than the others and see if that works, you know, otherwise like, I don't mind Dylan e tangled up in blue like or the Joni thing of just having along kind of thing that ends with one phrase and continues insights, again tickly closing time. It could be a series of choruses again, you could see sections working as a raising up from a previous. Yeah. That's true verse form something. That's true. I don't know if I was thinking consciously about that. But at the time, I when I was writing closing time ahead, this experiment. I was working on which was putting the hooky part of the song into what people would call the verse it. So it would happen at the beginning. Like, the title be the first thing that you said in the song. And it's funny that people are like I. I like it. I think it's a great thing to do. But I don't always do it. But I recently had a funny run in with a label where I wrote a song it was going to be the single it's on. It's so great to me and the label suddenly decided that the chorus was the first thing in the song that was the hook of the song. So could we please edit it so that that was the last thing in the sequence instead of the first, and then we just went through this process of basically to me like just kinda ruining the song by finding the least interesting thing and putting it first. And that thing worked great as an answer to something. Great before it the thing that became the verse. It was on some weird theory of the the least good part goes first. And then you work your way. A real LEGO series of of music. You know, I mean one thing follows another thing for a reason you like you were saying with the the play writing a certain climax dire thing said earlier doesn't make any sense. You haven't earned that moment. You know, there has to be something that that leads to that moment. Maybe it's a increasing tension or maybe it's a lack of tension. So that the dire thing really stands out. But you know, if you have dire dire dire dire than no dire stands out. Well, there's a funny thing going on right now music because people are thinking, theoretically, for example, about Spotify and Spotify needs you to listen for thirty seconds for it to count as listen and Spotify only needs to the song to be like two minutes long or something like that. So in one way, people trying to get like, okay? How do you keep listening for thirty seconds? Well, you have someone besides the artists sing the whole first thirty seconds or or say it. Then thirty one second Mark you have the star star singing. Then you make sure the song is really short. Because if it suddenly over the person will be inclined to start from the beginning again, listen again. And now that counts as two listens. So like stairway to heaven is like in bad shape, because I'm like in the time that you've listened to stereo too, haven't you could listen to four two minute songs are three of them to write a whole album. She loves us. Yes. In at the chorus and done. Strange. It's so tail wagging the dog. Wow. It's all tale. There's no dog dog just that I've had people say like more and more stock critique or praise even like while the second of that song as amazing they'll say to me, I think what they're subconsciously saying is if only you had put the second half at the beginning, and then got rid of the first half entirely, you know, that would work better than Spotify. Wow. A different business. Not in the music business. What business? More into. I guess I wonder how long people have to listen to this podcast on Spotify for it to count. At this point. Actually, we don't care if they're soliciting because we got past the thirty second Mark. We're good. Yes. The first thirty six will be just we have a great special guest. Special guest is coming up you won't believe your ears. When you hear this special guest. His name is. Thank you just made it to seventeen seconds. Just now one of the questions. I wanted to ask was about motivation motivation to continue to write. I mean, obviously, you're hooked into co writing thing that's helped to make a living which is not always the case with Manta. But I feel like people's motivation changes when you're young a lot of it is like I'll show them or like, you know, I could do that. Or I wanna stand on stage. And how people look at me or whatever else show them. I'll show them. Totally major. Yeah. So what were your did? You did you have some out show them. I well, I can dig it. But I think my show them was in a different format in my brain like early on. I think it was more. Like, you know, it was that thing we talked about earlier like I wanna make one of those. I want to have one of those for myself and my own band to play literally just Picasso going to the Liuw looking at Velazquez going home and copying a whole bunch of philosophers paintings from memory and making amazing Picasso's I was trying to do is similar thing. Then when my bands started to get opera -tunities to record it was like this wonderland had like, you know, appeared in front of me, and so like magical, and I realized in my mind, it was like, oh, this must be why everyone does this which actually isn't. It's morale show them. But at that time, I really thought, oh, this is the gold mine it's being in the studio. And then when people started like paying for studio sessions, I almost the whole thing is the scam to get people. To pay to put me in a studio record. The whole label thing was just I'm writing a bunch of songs and making demos tricking them into spending a whole bunch of money for me to just be in the playground and record music. Yeah. So it was just purely fun juice for the curiosity and learning how to do it. And you know, something's very frustrating. But in Minnesota also that was set of maybe DIY element of it. That was not helping us because we would have to reverse engineer, and we reinvent all these things that if we had just moved out here. Everyone would know how to do in a heartbeat. Skip those days of pain, but that was a big motivator, and I find now I just really enjoy that puzzle solving element of it so much, and I do find sort of miraculous that sometimes I can solve a puzzle and create an opening for this kind of soulful, you know, breath of life to enter us on it doesn't always happen. But it happens often enough for a very motivated by all that magic thing happened. Yeah. You know, it's hard to for me. No on do that again feeling. Yeah. That's that's the goal. Yeah. Said good place, Dan this. Yeah. I think so Dan, thank you so much. This is really really really great to talk to you. And we're huge fans of yours. And you know, I mean, I really have admired your your songwriter in sense of melody for. Thirty years. For an amount of years fairly long. But that's a long that we would be. Oh, thank you. Pleasure. Thank you listening to the art of process episodes will be arriving every other Monday subscribe wherever your podcasts. And if you like what you've been listening to leave us a review if you don't like it don't review it. It's not let's see think we're actively doing harm in the world. We don't we don't really need your negative reviews. Very combative about the review. If you don't like it keep it to yourself. You know, I'm trying to not just a be positive butting. Courage, positively all about encouraging positively. Maximum fund dot org, comedy, and culture. Artist owned listener supported hold on. Hold on hold on. It's a podcast bonus. Yes. 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Ep. 161: Clash of Champions w/ Rachel Millman

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Ep. 161: Clash of Champions w/ Rachel Millman

"Combined Park is not perfect resume in his dad and this Gosh Baugh aw aw Adrina we know tat a podcast and I was GonNa do podcast and I'm GonNa podcast NEPAD. I know I've done that before. They don't care you had a dream and it came true true on hathaway named named dream of a podcast which Oscar like a baby. No the funny thing about that is we've managed to oversee bring musical go fish wrestling together once again the show that discusses wrestling with sincerity clarity that it deserves. I'm the if one ship that will never ever end Danielle Radford. I've got with me the queen of extremes like that one and our special guests from the podcast. It's Rachel Kill Amon Melamine Hi Rachel. I think you so much for having me. I had to just kill a mood mood what we like to do when we bring new Flynn's on your plan. Is We want to talk about how you started with your love of wrestling wing. Oh my God we'll have a whole podcast that basically what started my love of wrestling was a year and a half ago. I was trying to plan a ladies Brunch and I invited raided my friend cast Barbara Doro to the brunch and she said yes but I might have to cut out early. I'm going to be watching wrestling with their friend. Tim and he just got a dog. Do you WANNA come and I said I haven't seen him. In a while. You may looks like an adorable puppy shout out and I've never watched wrestling. I've always wanted to get into it and I've never had anybody to sort guide me through it and it was wrestle. Kingdom twelve was the first thing I ever watch that's good yeah yeah and what happened is just like tweeted tweeted out like a couple observations. Young buck studied probably no longer really stand by but it was such an overwhelmingly positive like like Oh my God Rachel's talking about wrestling former guest of the show. That's honked tears. Lb Literally was like Oh my God Rachel. Millman is tweeting about the young bucks what the fuck is going on here and I was so excited by such a warm reception from wrestling twitter which is the thing that will never happen again. I experienced Brigadier Guy. You Got Positivity Day you get a day. Everyone gets a day. It was my brigadier soon. You bring bring up Musical Theater Austin. We share that day so yeah. Cats has a sadly decided to focus on comedy because she had some some other things that you had to focus on so now it's just me doing Russell splaine exploring the wonderful world of professional wrestling with us in my friends that that is fantastic journey psycho and I'm like flying to Chicago for all out and going to La for Bola and ten then shows mania weekend welcome. I'm welcome to the can say I'm not enthusiastic. That's like a very they will like. That's what we know about wrestling true yeah thank you. I'm so happy I'm here in another good voice is join the fight class many as we can get were just collect. This past weekend was class of champions. WWe's lascaux oh before they have three three three televise programs on cable to keep track of this show was bracketed by Seth rollins and Bronze Stroman so let's start with their first match. They lost the tag titles to Robert Rude Robert and Robert Burt road is still like all right. I just feel like I'm mad at him like Robert Route Robert Gene or whatever his dad's name is Robert but like here's by Bob and if you want me to think of like Robert Rude is like an uncle or a dad like he has to be a bobber bobby honestly like bobby rude. I get it because he's not like a kid in propeller beanie but having him be Bob Rude much Bob Rude is he's much funnier. The era and more importantly Fox more yeah grow dad about route is not getting a lot of play so Robert Rudolph Adolf's Ziegler now have the tag titles. Does anyone have any huge field full disclosure before we even start no but also like I've been very busy. I'm just get letting myself off with everything absolving myself responsibility because I'm getting married next week but really busy really fucking busy so you guys oh my God yeah. It's silly. It's stupid who would marry a boy. I don't know their own. It's IT'S I've agreed to it now. I'm getting really good health insurance so that's why you'd marry a boy. That's a good reason also maybe not in the mix like Mike. How realistic you our own English back wrestling? I have consumed over the last week has been consumed boomed with one eye on screaming by say about the guest list so I I watched this match and it was on and Jeff came in the room and you're like Oh. I didn't know there attack attack dame. Oh there are team now what's going to happen. I don't know I'm like I assume they're gonNA lose and then they'll have a reason to be mad at each other later and that's what happened and and would you believe it. I watched this. I had sort of a take on it. which is that like? I unlike Vince McMahon I love tag teaming hard same yeah tag team. Wrestling is really find. You can do a lot with it. I do love all the shade that the revival is throwing on twitter so many positive things to say about the revival survivable we can save that for their match but I will say that like there are people who are adept at being tag wrestler and people who are adept at being a a singles wrestler absolutely I don't know what South Rollins was like before he was like Seth Rollins of the wwe that we currently know him as but I think he is so oh just position like position towards being a singles wrestler. Yes I think he kind of struggles a little bit as Taggart. He's not attack wrestler. He aw he's my love but neither is bra unless he's talking with child. I is true. He's very really he's actually documented the best adult they'll wrestling with child him two days after that and it was like he was the most over guy in the Delta Airport Terminal Weiland Orlands he was doing laps of like everybody like wanting to be like absolutely because he was and he was like radiating radiating joy about doing that but like I think I get why Braun isn't a comedy wrestler for a lot of reasons but like please make comedy wrestler actually like a big boy big boy team of like Hammond Russa that will be so much fun. They could just be called the big boys. Yes I think it could be big boy season and they could come out and chant every season. Yeah I would wear that dress like Bob's big boy away. That's a good idea. I really like that so yeah I it's weird that I found Robert Rude and Dolph Ziglar to beat the more cohesive tag team well because both of I feel like especially with like rude has more tactic spear yeah and you're right like there isn't there is always this tendency especially. WWe To take hot singles and put them together and tag and that's not how it works tags two tech teams have to be cohesive. They have to work well damage to have chemistry the and like I think seven Braun obviously like like each other to a degree but they haven't developed that chemistry that takes work and like I'm I'm sure seth has out of ring chemistry with his fiancee but like is the the entering chemistry is dubious. Don't take a lot of work. I feel I mean I. I like the match. Don't get me wrong but it was very much like okay. This is the first match on the card yeah I don't like being uh-huh excessively negative about wrestling because I love wrestling and I enjoy it so much but yeah no it was this kind of it was kind of weird start. I agree yeah all right so then of course they may have ended the show in a match for the Universal Championship which Seth Rollins won to retain yeah yeah do you do you feel like this is like the right decision and and is the only thing that I feel weird about this pairing why they tag team them office. A TAG team in the first place. What doesn't make sense to me is it felt like it should've been along program like it should have had more time to develop more times developed that chemistry more time to mean something yet but it's already over and the fact that it that much was over and then overshadowed was shot by what happened at the end of the match because it's like he had a match with Braun is the thing now it's the females so you just brought brought in for into a tag nineteen storyline and the main event storylines for two minutes on it meant nothing and we are going to get more into the female yeah but I what did everyone think about Bailey's of the very short match against Charlotte I was fine with it? I know short but it was short with a purpose. It told the story furthers the story of New Healey Healy Bailey dip sheet coward Bailey fine. I wanted to see as you a Benny Hill run out the ring. I look looted and I really enjoy that. I grew the story in a way that it didn't need to be twenty minutes. I think yeah I think it's it's actually like a pretty good note for that character to because Bailey's kind of a little kid little kids like right away when goes like that. I'm just like no if they don't catch me. They can't get caught. I don't need to do Schultz Congo twenty minutes toe with me. He's like guess what I don't need to enjoy the and what's great about that is also if they ever do where she's the full on like yelling at the audience. He'll if you make her kid having a Tantrum. That's perfect yeah yes exactly I. I think she's it's fine. I think it's bringing something to the character. That's she's needed for the push for a wild and we were talking about like not well-developed things. This was developed for very long but they're both Bailey and Charlotte are so talented that you're just like Oh. No this is is fine. I really enjoyed this story. They've done to her what they did with Sammy where and they did actually nothing about her character. Dramatically obviously obviously there was cheating this week which was different but all they've done is turn up and have as as the point where I don't get it. Why are you annoyed me? I'm just still me. I'm loyal Ugas. I I'm the I'm a good friend and she's like waving a little bit more aggressively. She's like getting in peoples face with her. It's like she's just doing that little bit more. It's the tiny bit more and it just elevates this character into a new plane and it makes it he'll and I love it perfect. It does make sense here as Julian writes script. We'll talk about this so becky Lynch did cause disqualification against Sasha banks so she's still the raw women's champion Campione. I think that this was a great move. Yeah I loved it keeps the story going to see this again. The the trajectory of Becky as the man man was always going to be that she turned into a power hungry asshole perfectly. That's a stone cold move yeah and there was always. It was always gonna be that. She's GonNa Obese. Don't she's never played this character as a face. She's always played this character as I deserve this and either you're on board with oil and that will be where the face healed tween. A stuff comes Zim because at some point the crowd will turn against it and that's the same phone call is like sometimes you're on board with it. Sometimes you're not on board with it. I'm right now. I'm like I'm still thinking superfund. Speaking of more women May Alexa Bliss and Nick across retained the women's tag team titles a dead. I Love Nikki Cross yeah. I love her her. I love her. I like they had this match of like Weirdo fighting hot girl yes yeah and elite dancing. Oh my God and I love when fucking. I'm sorry I have to mention it here. I love when our truth call the bliss other Carmella other their carbon went another woman just as other caller is the greatest so fantastic but like I I know technically I should be mad added. The goofiness of the twenty seven belt interrupted like a really good women's tag match but it was perfect because I love the twenty four seven belt more of a perfect Curt Hawkins get that pay per view money baby. I was mad about Ah until Alexa went for the pin and then I was okay because I like Alex took over the narrative with it so I'm actually fine with it but yeah when it came into like Oh here they are ruining a women's March yeah and she didn't but it was okay right and I almost hope that like they're kind of testing us to because obviously they had marina when it yet but but I hope that they're kind of testing us with like Kelly Kelly is also going to twenty four seven yeah I can we can can they do this in the ring and would we like it and it's like I I do. I do want it even if interrupts a women's match. If the end is that a woman has also like Alexa doing the roll up was like wonderful and purpose because it was a great way to like do this goofy shit and have them be like Oh wait no. There's the reason we're the twenty four seven people we gotta go. Oh wait actual wrestlers also like we have done a series of bonus episodes that I will be continuing on wrestling explaining. I called the shadow realm of people who are majorly stuck on the undercard and the twenty four seven titles shadow route title. It's wonderful are there's also a lot of new day on this. Show the revival you you. I beat Xavier Woods and big easy for the smackdown tag titles. I'm you know what I I loved new day. Nothing can hurt them. No nothing can hurt them. Nothing yeah as long as they're together. They are just fine nothing can i. I'm okay and I love uh-huh yeah. I keep them together. The only thing holding the revival back in terms of like where this storyline is going which I actually like is that they are like in conjunction with Randy Orton who makes it blue lives matter thing. He's a terrible terrible terrible trash human this extensively all of us on the phone off but fun in watching this tag team match. I realized what I want to happen with the revival and won't happen. Would you guys like to hear yes. Please okay so if they're going to continue to try to position themselves like the Nega new day what they need to do is lean lean into the revival part of the name and make themselves the wrestling version of the righteous gemstones. WWe Is really good at doing doing the trash version of Hbo Prestige and like those guys like Scott Dawson doing like a righteous actress gemstones thing would be so funny because Vance put the new day together as preachers so it would be later versus guys who were like cool ministers it would it would definitely be like youth minister. Oh I'm not certain they've got the acting chops but like I don't WanNa see it I think talking with them into mania this year and they are very passionate about Johnson in particular very earnest ernest. Oh my God I see him on a plane and he was talking to me about how much she loves. Casey Muss Graves expeditive for ever since yeah 'cause it's like okay delightful to heal and I know I have to root for the new day for a lot of okay great graduates so much fun. I'm glad they're getting screen time. I'm so they're getting screen time much as I hate Brandi like I this is a good fit that same school of of kind of shifts holes look I love men with big asses and the revival style giant back all of them the three the of them are very much like we're just gonNa Punch and we're going to do whatever we do any of the rest of this bullshit fight yeah I does make sense as much as unleash randy. It makes sense that they all together and Randy did lose. He Lost Super Clean to Kofi Kingston odd man well and we've talked about this on the pot a lot randy Orton has never given more of his all than when he's against Kofi and I firmly believe it's because he genuinely likes him and respects him as a person as a vet who has been on the roster for forever like you can see the respect. I don't WANNA give it up to Randy Orton. He's going to do something tomorrow. It's going to Piss me off. We've already talked about this yeah but one thing he he does consistently is he will give his everything in a match with always like when brock is awake. I guess is your yes just like I don't know Randy. Orton written looks like voldemort older brother like I can't move past and he also he to me. He looks like like Jack. Joy Joseph Gordon Levitt and I can't stop seeing it. Oh No I saw to my stomach her. I did that too. You know I could never take it back. I really can't all of their so then really quick Shinsegei Nakimora would Sammy's in his corner beat the Miz to retain the I C Title I fucking. I love Shinsegei and Sammy together so much. Also there was a cape. Also there was a cape. I love his new gear. Yeah Yeah is the greatest you know and the two of them you know it's it's a dream of me and the missus always fantastic as you have any kind of too much. He's GonNa move. He's moving house. He's moving how he doesn't want to heavier schedule right now. He's in that look in that target that I saw him. He's more target. I didn't say anything having another baby. He's presumably uh-huh getting ready to make another marine. I don't know we were both in housewares. I love him. That's what a delight seeing ms it target. It was fantastic we were both looking for. I believe we were both looking for white bulb or something because you know he flips houses he flips. How of course I I liked it is like a house and resells it and then resells it? He is truly a Reality Star because they all flip houses he look. He's going to get in wherever if this doesn't work and if MS that their show doesn't work he's going to be the new property brothers. WE'RE GONNA call it property Bro and finally before we take a property woo Hoo Property Rowen beat Roman reigns but not before this man returned for the assist. It's always the same delivery is sixteen. Sit in a room together and say after three what the one-two-three practice it. It's just such fucking Tina ask delivery but okay so Harper's back yea I love him. I Love Kevin was a human. I love him. As a performer. I am so pleased I was sad when he left a couple holidays field show up in aws and then obviously the same thing it was like drive a truck full of money to that directly to the ring. I'm delighted I'm so happy yeah. I love him or Lindsey. It's Wednesday yeah. You know what that means. Yeah I mean I saw him at his show over mania weekend and he gives off very like calming vibe and all you ever hear as berry one you only ever hear that the boys in the back love that man and I had a friend interview the money to make that movie last year and he said he was Su super professional and just the kindest nicest man he's like he's like the best due to ever get cast as I guess southern fucking co-leader person all right if you've got thoughts on classroom champions connect with us on facebook twitter and instagram via the links in our show notes we'll be back after a break to talk about the rest of wwe shows up next tights tights. The greatest greatest generation is a star Trek podcast that D- stigmatizes the very idea of having star Trek podcast. We're banning Adams the host of the greatest generation and the technology. We've developed is that nobody knows what you're playing in your ear buds. You know with legalization. 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I don't think you're actually allowed to hit the mayor. I don't know if you've ever been in a taxi in New Orleans and as a little sticker on the back of the separate as divided if you motor taxi driver it's punishable by death and I'm like no the same everywhere but it's like in New Orleans and like okay. I won't motor this taxi driver. If if like kill Oh you taxi driver in New Orleans is punishable by death shouli laying a finger on the mayor of Knoxville in Knoxville is at least punishable by death if not by like Honduran quota too. I just look if I live in Knoxville. Obviously if you voted for Kane it's because you really excited for came to be your friend or your family who do live Knoxville and I can't confirm this information see but it's also like let's say he does get injured down to the tax payers pay for WHO's WHO's footing putting that tonight you know they outfit cleaned brain. Sorry that's exactly aw there were some great photos that came out that photo of like the fiend holding says fantastic. It wasn't a very like crypt keeper e c Old School like nineteen forties comic books. It was pretty Fanti just want them to find a body double for Bray so we can have bray fight the fiend and like he can defeat the well. I mean they've there's a mask for a reason. I guess I just think it's kind of really impressive that he can physically like do anything in the mask in the context because he can't see no brief and it's like when they're doing sorry I'm GonNa they've been doing the press for the man delorean and what's his name and what's his name Pablo. Pascal has been like I can't see shit out of that mask and I'm like never taking them. Ask why do you cast hot even Hans a lot anyway. Yeah the wrestlers are hot and they're finally applying that logic to the star wars universe. That's all masked wrestler lesser. They're not hiding a not pretty face. They are all all incredibly attractive it so we never know for a good friends the fien I mean I'm still not seen start masked no more ed until when he got the jumper I'm like why do I fancy old monitor sweater about me that I need to talk to myself. It may be yeah. He's filling out so many Ho geography teachers look just like a scary Mr Rogers in your life yeah yeah I mean I didn't have if Mr Rogers in my life. Maybe that's what it is. Oh I needed scary roaches. I just think that claritin sweated a dozen all kinds of a it doesn't real good speaking of next opponents on October Fourth Kofi Kingston is fighting brock listener for the wwe in an era has resignation about this magical okay. We're going to apply your Orton logic here if he if he ah he might be awake we. I'm trying to be positive their weight but I is. He GonNa win because he's GonNa win. I'm going to be really really mad. He don't sell merch and he don't sell tickets. That's my thing that they're so locked into this like Rot Leslie Florida Law Blah Blah. No one buys tickets to walk in the for the big Kofi is one hundred percent losing this it because it's the big much that Fox once like. Why would we want this every week? We've had this sells tickets. Kofi sell shirts Kobe sales merge. Kofi gets people to buy cereal. I just don't understand brock brings fucking nothing to the table and even yeah I want to miss him. Not I've ever missed him but I haven't even had time to grow in different like I'm just like no. It's too soon. Go Away half right now. I literally learned he was writing and how I mean my whole humid him Gammon is that it's fucking day you know like David Versus Goliath Kofi doing all of his Kofi Shit and like hopping around and doing flips and saving himself. I hope I literally brings Iraq and hits him in the head. I mean it would be interesting to show the Fox audience. You know give them a really great long match and Kofi Win it and show the Fox audience that is going to be different front is the hope that we're going to have is that they're on Fox so they're establishing a new version of the brand that cares about woken and identity politics and wants to do right and it does not get on unikely Disney to to be fair Fox's now owned by so. It's a different ballgame. It's fizzy from the network that brought you A. Maybe they'll give a shit. I just listened up to it and if it was any less strongly over these last eight months that he's been champion. I would probably be more upset about it but I'm fine with it. If he's got a lose lose the title title eventually we'll find within losing the titles big e just. It's like a friendship thank no. I don't think here's a great thing about the like I don't think that the normal rules of tag stuff apply. I think that if biggie did it would be like a fight fight of respect yeah it would be likely it'd be like an episode of up up down down a little cranky but they will still be like look like I know you all expect that we're going to hate each other but we are fucking brothers no matter what could do a really beautiful storyline where Kofi says oh I don't know who my next contender is and Biggie and woods kind of look at each other and they were like well do do you know if you have a want competition. Ha Ha I and then Kofi says you know what you guys deserve. Show you earned it yeah and then like you could have have a woods e match to get a contender on the two of them and then at the end they hug and cry and then Kofi versus fucking big E in at the end it could be all hugs and cry is a hug and cry because as we all know the motto when anyone wins for new day a win for me is a win for three Yep and it's passing the torch which is what Kofi talked a lot about with working with his brothers working with. I think it could be beautiful. I don't think they'll do it but I think it could be really really think. That writing staff has any interest in doing any of that though like no. I'm not blaming the writing staff I never do we all know who's at fault Paul sure yeah. I just think they should give the book. Give her the give me the book Password Pencil give me the back row was also the king of a ring vitals and after beating Chad Gable very carbon is our king in a newly bearing Corbin because the throne is huge but I would think it would be to like have Chad Gable looking like a little kid at the doctor my God Lily Tomlin sketch yeah. She's just Richard Little step stool. They have long back there. I listen I'm happy Chad Gable got on TV hard same and he had a paycheck baby boy only two great nights out of raw and smackdown he got to come in and kick ass and smart down which I appreciate it smashed thrown. He was like fuck you. I should have won and I'm like okay. This isn't over. I'm fine with this. I'm fine with this. I mean what else are they going to do with Baron Corbin 'cause like I would drown him in the Ocean out oh to see and leaving the button down Barron called revival this release everyone suddenly like Oh. He's fantastic and and he's hot. What is it out saying get out that is fine? We all have our own lists I could probably we lay down if he wanted to. I do not get the stories. CPA Chevy would tell you afterwards I absolutely one hundred percent. We'll get down with that voting going to tell you after Zo like so one time I had long hair and I didn't to button downs like Oh cool cool story. I made everyone really mad once because I was eating japodlay. Whether we're breaking down the ring it does nothing because you've introduced this topic. I do think I would have a lot of questions for him about his minion Tattoo broken brain and it's that's the first date that doesn't mean you're going home. You know like that's that's what what he opens with on Tinder. There's a photo of his minion foot Tattoo right you swipe right and then you're like Oh my God his opening line on ten Abba and you find out if I like so like I don't want him near the twenty four seven title because the twenty four seven title is a thing of joy to pure. What else else are they gonNA do with him but I do think like they are if I have to have him on my TV everyone being like why the fuck did this guy win? The story line is the best that I can get out of. I'm trying to just so many of the people we respect and appreciate that I try but this is Joe. I want to Joe I wanted to Joe so bad would've fucking kit as we got seventy seven origin Tipu servers unless it's Baron Kelvin well. He doesn't need the tip who you call. He takes tips. Yes I know he definitely skims. Oh yeah he's one of those ones. We all put in a pool at the nine minute certain percentage yeah working in pool tip restaurants announced awful. That's the worst and it should be illegal. Are we excited about coming back. I love buff Freddie Mercury. They always look. I'm I love who says I'm super horned up for rousseff. I'd be like I've been very clear about that. Him and Samoa Joe does vary superstar needs to be a stable called big boy season. It's time to one that I want to show that they did what the League of nations just because like Oh we have some foreign people know. Give give me a little boys voice together like I think maybe not a permanent stable but if you like you have like the the weird the what's what's the facebook thing that they do where pair off the people who are odd pairings in the Inter gender stuff. I can never remember them for the mix Mitch Max Challenge you to do something similar to that where they have only for a limited time the big boise's unstable so then that way you have like Russa and you have big e and you have some oh Joe Oh and you have Braun strowman and then you drake drake maverick around the whole thing and yes that's the stable of big boy season given look. Give the buck okay. We have to talk about this. There's no way there's no way to avoid it. No are we talking about fucking Maria canals I love. I love her so much better than this. I'm furious that this is what they're giving. She is working so hard. This is literal cuck stereo like literally like up. I am having a Black Man's child and we're doubling down on it every week. Oh you thought we'd had enough no. Let's keep no hill. It got to like the puck part of it. I thought Maria Canales gender reveal. Party was one of the funniest things I hit. She's amazing. Oh did we already Sarah. Logan's tweet is so great as moment. I should have put this over but someone tweeted just random view of tweet to say like Oh. Did everyone see how Sarah Logan looked so uncomfortable during the gender avail and Sarah Lubar flight. I don't like kids will love her ever know until this part of it. It was so funny like just insufferable straight couple. That's such a funny bit. I think Maria is whole Larry is I think she is such trowbridge hit immediately per se he's fantastic. I interviewed her last year and I was blown away by how smart how passionate how committed how savvy appreciate she is working so hard to make this work and she's obviously decided the only way to get through this is to go boleslaw wall with it. That's correct yes. She's got caught off. If this was twitter we would call it tweeting through it. She's tweeting as tweets just unfortunate that fucking sucks I so yeah like I mean like pinning pinning him while she's pregnant is so funny that was great street. Prophets hosting a gender is like such a funny thing. The gender should have been fiend obviously play. I'm like I I actually didn't I. I'm back like I said I'm bad at keeping up with this. Not of any sort of like you know political or like no oh it's bad writing like no. I don't have that good morality disorganized. What gender is her baby or did? We not boy the gender is it's a boy yeah. They boy so what I want for now. I mean if we're GONNA do this and we're GONNA be wrong. Yeah Roussev is the father of my child that means Lana has to beat her up while she's giving birth and that's a good bit and just also poor rue seven Lana just constantly in these. I just don't know she gone from Toa Livas. That's convert your like. I wonder honor is just GonNa be gone because this feels like a real slap in the face to law now knowing Lana from tote Steve's as we do now assuming and having spent some time with her while she was drunk in an elevator. Thanks thanks for MS Lynch. That was a fun story off there but like I just feel like whether it is or not she she is someone who would take this incredibly personally yeah. This feels like a real slap in the face of Alana who has been chemically his wife throughout yeah I i. I would be really mad if I were her but my hope is and maybe this is hope against hope is that it's like she's going to have to come out and fight Maria. I hope so. I think that would be really funny and fun because I'm hoping she's off training. I think she's like funny enough to pull that off. Oh yeah they're both funny the enough to pull that off no they're both hilarious and they should be doing a program together and I really do hope that Lana is off doing more training because she is very talented on Mike but we we all know that like you know and and that's her fault that's clearly what they told her to focus on focused talents on but if you wanted to be arrested or yes she has to do you have to train for that. I'm really really hoping that's what it is and she's not being sidelined. do to fucking up or not fucking up boom plenty of people are mad that Cedric Alexander keeps losing but is it better for him to be on TV as much as possible. Even if it isn't a wall ooh I don't know he he deserves the world. Yeah I really loved seeing cedric. When I went to a raw live it was kind of wonderful to see cedric at the pin on age as racist ass and trigger the thing that everybody wanted which was stone cold coming out again knocked to get like to discourse about it but that was a really wonderful thing he was the old it was like a huge like ten man tag or something that he was the only black person there yeah and he got the you got the agent so you can never be too discourse for the show? That's your career. You know I I like to provide that caveat but yeah that that was like a wonderful thing but yeah he keeps losing. Where's Fanta? Aj Jay is I can't separate AJ's massive massive stores of undeniable talent from who he is. You have to take really hard for me. I used to be able to the. Aj the Gazelle but then you've got muddled races oncle Allen and it's like if you can great guy if you con- Yukon and you know in the interest of all getting along it's both are okay but like modeled on Callan. It's too much for me. I just I just pretend he's that sexy sexy fucking like the handyman from the something to do with your hands video which I bring up all the time on and on that note okay so annex to Butte and ex team like she's coming out like it's her fucking tone tumble annexed he is Dave. Why can I talk and debuted the night that we are recording reading this fuck y'all for putting everything on Wednesdays? We record on Wednesdays. Signed fish is very selfish all of you because now it's like everything's going to be a week late when when it comes to fucking annex t which already has been we're all fine with also when it comes to aws. I literally just realized that today and I'm like God damn them so. Are you expecting that there might be a few main roster people who are going to go do some stuff with that brand for a second that could be. I just don't think they need to be. I'm assuming the they'll be a few pop-ups okay with the pop up here and there but like I would just love to see them stand on their own very capable. Just if you're going to do it do it with someone who like bring Apollo creed or it has been legacy. Yes like I'm not against this rumor of Kevin Owens being a mole seems okay to me but it has to be NFC legacy. I don't WanNa see no come in and go. Hey look at all these kids try and so the next would you imagine no I would laugh Virginia Widley tiny lower body and widely still massive publicity. It's like Oh. I co-signed all of this fellow children. Yeah how do you due fellow kids know your thoughts about fellow kids and everything we discussed connect with us on facebook twitter and instagram links to all of those are in in the show notes when we come back. We got some things from wrestling world that you should know about that's up next on tights invites Cardin Ashley's Michael Cohen Hashtags Lick Bates Punky REBA getting regular sized bunking boaty mcboatface. Do any ABE's words make sense to you. The maybe translate these is the podcast you should be listening to. We bought it episode every week. Maximum Fund Dot Org hosted by me Travis Travis mcelroy court enloe and me Brent Black translate thieves on maximum fund dot Org because trans like these who needs only memes CA- aw type. I'm Daniel Radford. I'm doing today by Lizzie cal and all right so this week we want to end the show with some of the things from wrestling that we loved and that you should know about this is the three count. It's Rachel guests go first. What would you like to put over? Oh my God. There's so many things I like is the thing but I'm going to put over something. That happened a couple of weeks back. When I was in Chicago you can watch it on Youtube? Jake Atlas had an incredible incredible edible inter-gender match with Priscilla Kelly at rise and it was lucky enough to see live. I if you guys can't get the link from this just at me on twitter and I will get you. The fucking can link because it's really good. I would like to put that over. It was a wonderful wonderful inter-gender match. Jay Cutler is about to explode. Priscilla Kelly keeps blowing up Yup. I can't say enough good things about it. You should just go watch it so you don't have to hear my words about it and so you can have your own feelings about it. That's awesome. Thank you so much. ooh I'm pretty alcohol failed so we went out for dinner on Saturday my friend picture restaurant in Hollywood called Yamashiro which is a people who don't own don't live in. La It's like a big old Japanese house like it's it's really it's been. La Everyday films off memoirs of of a Geisha which they filmed out there and I'm like oh I wasn't good at all basically but anyway politics aside. It's a cool place if you're in. La It's like top over the hill you amazing views of L. A. And it's all Japanese on it's incredible. CG The food is really great so I got the cocktail menu because I've met me. I'm like I will take it. Thank thank you and what was the second drink on the list was the Kinshasa and I got really excited because I'm like Oh. I actually don't know what can also means in Japanese. It must mean something also as well as Nakamura since you moved because it's a drink. What was the third drink on the Menu Shinsuke Nakamura Manager Asia Yamashiro? His name is Billy Ray. He's a mark. He's the board of us. I was so excited I the way it was very excited when I ordered by Nakimora like how how did you know how to say that I'm like. I hate to break it to you. It's so exciting. The Kinshasa is Japanese Vodka Lemon g an on Opal Basil Basil if you will and that was fine the Shinsuke Nakamura is Japanese gin lemon wildfire honey and social bitter what is exceptionally good so if you're in the Hollywood area and you'll on lookout for delicious wrestling theme Cocktail Yamashiro go see Billy Ray Water Tanaka Mora remember the name of it but there is a Sushi restaurant in mid town of New York City where the owner is a huge market has a former like w GP belt on display this joyous. This is excellent all right so for me. I am putting over the thing that is delighted me the most today I am putting over fucking in. MJ F- just baiting all of my nerd friends J. F. as you know he has a match coming up versus Brand Cutler Brand Cutler is known for being huge into DND. He has like dnd stuff on his dyson. Things on his merger occurred M J. Eh We did a photo of himself flexing that said I don't play Dungeons and dragons. It's being the biggest he'll whatever I love him so violent fucking so Joe Manganiello who very famously plays DND PWG it also goes PWG whichever one is fucking of that time when I got pregnant from just being in the same room him in Sofia for Gore I may they have to have appropriate the two league titles. Come on Joe Manganiello very famous place. De Talks about it all the time yeah. Here's a plug for something if you WanNa Watch Phantom uncovered where we at screen junkies sent Roth Cornet. She got to talk to him about it. He's playing with big show in a bunch of people so he posed he'd replied applied I do with like a photo of himself unlike a men's magazine also met Mercer who is huge in the dnd world and then tabletop tabletop RPG's for doing the show critical role he replied both of these men are clearly fucking marks and they get it their fans and many of my friends do the fuck not real into their fields and it's amazing because now he has created so so much real heat for this match and I don't know if the people who are you know so good he is. He's so good he does. He is so good and he's baited so many people the wrestler but there there might be genuine people now who are like especially when Matt Mercer replied. He didn't just say like oh I I do it. He literally was like keep he plugs the match. He plugged cutler like he was doing work to make this match work and now J. F. has been going against people all day now. Brand Cutler has something people who are into. Dnd love nothing more than people who are at wits now brands going to get some more fucking fans hands. This was so perfect and it was such a delight he is truly some of his he'll work. I'm a little like Br. I love you but some things just don't translate but this baiting all of my nurse fucking art I love him. I love him love him so much unequivocably I was this was one that was like Kinda bummed that house not here because I think how does how daily plus he loves Jeff. Million people in this room is how lovely I I feel like that is the way that we tricked him into watching stuff and I love so much joy and that does it for this episode of Tyson fights this week. Your hosts were our your new friend. Rachel millman lowlands accountable on with me. Thank you for coming Daniel Radford Rachel the we'd plug you shit. We love nothing. We ought then for people to let everyone know where you can find great things that you're doing all right well. 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"Hi I'm Ali Gertz and I'm Joy Prescott and going. Springdale field. It is the Lai every time I think it keeps getting better and better I think it does keep getting better like the queer I saw. Yeah I WANNA, listen to everyday now, put that on a mix. I think you should. If I'm putting flaming moes on a mix, I'm the queer eye the song. So listeners this week we have an episode that is an update on what is going on in the around. Springfield universe. As you guys know, we just completed the Max Fund drive which was so exciting into wonderful and we're so grateful again to all of you guys. Thank you so much and because we got enough support, we have decided to extend our twenty episode limited series by five additional episode. I'm not a math wizard, but that's a chunky percent. Ask some some might call us Lila as. Was a twenty episode and I'll I'll say you're ungrateful as children of this podcast were giving you five bonus episodes I'm happy with the fact that we're going you know the literal extra podcast mile. More lab. Yeah, and we actually recently just did an interview. About are limited series which we will leave in the show description. There was a really wonderful interviewer who asked podcasts that are doing limited series including Paul, Tompkins, and a few other really amazing people that you guys will love like what goes into a limited series and the amount of work ethic take to to kind of make the show come alive and with all of. That in mind and with a few other things going on behind the scenes we decided that we don't want to keep going with our podcast until we secure like the guests that we want rate, we've had some awesome I mean every single guest. So we've had on the show has been amazing. But with only at this point I think seven episodes left including our bonus five. The pressure is on you know and we're really excited about that. But we really WANNA make sure that we have like you know we only have seven left. So we really WanNa make sure that we get the guests that we really want and because of what's going on in the world right now it's a little challenging to try and get in touch with people you know, and so basically we're gonNA take a little break. We were going to take one after two more episodes, but we're GonNa do it now just so we could secure guests and take care of a couple of other things kind of just going on a backstage so to speak, and then we'll be back and so excited to complete our limited series. Yeah. Yeah. I mean our podcast is all killer. No filler baby. And we knew when we were you know making this spin off of our old Simpson's podcasts everything's coming up. Simpson's which you can still listen to old episodes people every day are finding that podcast and listening to it and tweeting us and we love it. It makes it makes my little simpsons heart two sizes bigger. Every time you tweet at us you know we knew that when we were constructing the spin off like we were raising the stakes and there was just going to be a different booking in recording process. But for good reason because you know all things worth pursuing are often a little bit difficult and so yeah, I I. Agree I echo Allie was saying that we WANNA make sure that we hit those north stars that you guys have heard us kind of hint at over many years. Maybe some people already know who we may have on that short list of you know who we want to fill those last seven episodes but yeah, I just think that you know I feel like. We. Have such a strong relationship with our listeners in that we're all looking at the moon and we all get it, and we all you want to spend time with each other. But. We just WanNa make sure that all of our episodes are. The same consistent top quality that we've already with that, we've always produced and that is our show update. So that's the bids. But now let's get into the fun updates and now let me be clear. We have nothing to update you on that as fun is just time that we update ourselves on some of what is going on in our lives So stick around if you WANNA just have a little chat with me and Juliet, we both have our coffee assuming that you know you guys are trying to stay awake and alive during this time, grab a cup of Joe or soon join us. Yeah I, swear to God I feel like every other week I see tweet of somebody being like gotta get my coffee in. So I'm super super caffeinated for the apocalypse. We're all having similar thoughts I. Agree I gotTa be caffeinated for the Apocalypse Oh. Yeah. I. Mean I, just I don't need to be cranky and dying like I I definitely. I don't know where all of our listeners reside Some of US are having to go through this air quality due to the fires that have been happening. We're definitely putting a time stamp on this episode but or maybe. Maybe we're not. Inspire season so Cyclical you know but it has been really a trip blake? US Are I assume all really loyal rule followers are not like partying or doing anything crazy and socializing a ton and so we've already been inside but now the air quality has been so bad that we can't even go on a walk like for me like going on a walk and listening to my podcasts has been like the one thing that keeps me sane insights from watching old seasons of survivor and so I've been struggling. yeah I, mean Gosh this again times damn who cares. But like this past weekend was I wanna say the worst that it it had been during the fire Air Quality Combo and I didn't know what else to do besides get in my car and drive somewhere far. That was not you know as smokey and of course, naturally, I landed in the Anaheim shopping just. It's funny sometimes when I'm feeling anxious or just kind of like pent up emotions as I think a lot of us are probably feeling at this time I get a little regressive where I. Really WanNa do live cool angsty teenager shit and a lot of stuff. I didn't even do as a teenager like I was feeling I was really like in a Moody State, the other day and I was telling my friend I was just like I. Just WanNa drink at a cemetery. Like I've never do but I've never even done that unless you count like La has that bright sanitary that you watch the movies and stuff? Yeah. It makes me WANNA get like I WANNA part my hair more to the side where thicker eyeliner and my like super holy jeans and you know just be a bad teenage kid. I love that for you I mean. That reminds me so much. I just had like a memory of this role I felt it in my bones. A. Freshman. Year at Art College and. My dorm and I guess the campus itself was located. You know a short walk from cemetery in. Oakland. And you bet your ass I took my camera there for my photography class and took really moody photos stones and Shit Thinking I was the first person like I was the Magellan of like angsty nineteen year old who? Look at life and death So deep you bet your ass, it was in black and white. Can you take a photo of a cemetery that isn't in black and white? I'm not sure you Cayenne. I also this year or not this year, it feels like year but during the quarantine, I watched all of six feet under and The like teenage daughter of the show like perfectly encapsulates like that like two thousand. Era Bike. Moody. NECE art school girl kind of you know kind of ghost were all kind of Oh. My God. What have you been watching lately that you would recommend to our listeners I'm so glad you asked. You know and I think people that follow me on twitter probably know to are actually more on instagram because I haven't really been tweeting about it. But anyone that's like been talking to me during this for I wanna say like the last month I have just praised to all high. The merits of Bravo's show below deck. I. For I'm a Bravo Bech. People, may not know this about me but I am a bravo bitch. I used to way back when the real housewives franchise started or around ten plus years ago I dove in and it was also the darkest chapter of my life. We shall not unpack the correlation. I took a brief break from Bravo, and then just recently got back into it. I want to say right before the pandemic. So it wasn't because of. But it's bring me joy and I love the real housewives of New York and I love the real housewives of beverly. Hills. I didn't really fuck with any other real housewives casts. And then I ran out of real housewives. It might depressed enough to watch below deck. And it turns out otherwise. It also wasn't because it's actually a genuinely good show and you know you're talking about being regressive and. Being an angsty teen there is something that is very similar in that quality of below deck because it is just people that are in their early early twenties we're talking twenty twenty, one fresh out of school and all they WanNa do is work on a yacht and fuck each other and it's amazing. It's beautiful. The captain of the it's a motor yacht and the first couple of seasons were in the Caribbean and then they went to. And now season seven there in Thailand. Burned through I'm on the seven seasons I've berthelot. It's great because it makes me nostalgic for being dumb young person. You know it's great and validating to watch a reality show part of one of the main reasons why we watch reality TV is to yell at the TV and say you're making the mistake I made ten years ago you know all that Dumb Shit I love how every single season is the same exact pattern where they start off being very friendly with each other and wanting to have the best charter ceasing never, and then Somebody Fox somebody else in the entire boat implodes every season this. And then The captain is Sky Captain Lee who is a very strong like? Father figure to all of them, and he detests Hornets and yet he is surrounded by it daily. So That's below deck. They make fun of rich people to that's something. You don't often see on Bravo. So that's been Nice I'll crushing. I've been enjoying that and I just watched that netflix documentary. Octopus teacher last year that's great. Sits really great however. No one else needs to make are really dumb joke about how sad it is. The octopus teacher has to teach on zoom because I. And I said to my husband. Mike. Last night and I could barely get the words out because it was the worst joke I've ever considered. So. Yeah. I love it. Are you watching movies to over there in your corner? Yeah. I, will say that I think one of the best bike. To my life has been the criterion channel Yeah. So there are some criterion movies on Hbo Max if you already have that but the criterion channel and a lot of criterion movies are available on the different APPs at the library will offer. So even though the library is currently closed, which breaks my heart because my God, do I need a place to go and I know in my house more than ever, but you know librarians want to live too. So I get that but there's so many amazing classic movies Anson Contemporary Ones that I just have never seen and I I consider myself a movie buff I. Really Love to you are yeah and. I have watched a lot of really awesome. French movies. There's a movie called at Cleo from five to seven. which is so amazing and if you've ever seen the before trilogy, it's very obviously something that inspired Richard Linklater. Last night I watched a movie that my boyfriend's mom and my mom both say as their favorite movie with called. Travels, I it's really good I of course, not they might Gulliver's travels which I also love but they meant silo very confusing it is they shouldn't do that. And Yeah Sullivan's travels we watched last night and I thought was really great. If there are any people listening to this, who maybe don't gravitate towards a lot of older movies or even just don't really like black and white movies I, really recommend like just checking out like some of the top ten lists on criterion website. So it will show you like pick one of your favorite directors and more likely than not they will have a list of their top ten favorite criterion movies and. One of the things that schools on the criterion Channel out it will also have little interviews with people so they'll have. So like Bill Hader will have a whole playlist of like movies that he loves, and then you get to watch it if you choose where he'll explain like why he chose the movie and like what's so good about it that meet you and that's so great I washed Grey Gardens for my first time. Oh, I can't find my never saw it. I Know Alley I know that one is particularly good. I remember watching it in film school and being like I'm sorry and then of course like. Every thing from that moment forward you know you try to make little eighty biggie the Joe. I upset my mom and my sister by joking that they're great gardens are I mean? No they're not. They are. They are in their in their level of charm and their. Dynamic of personality, but not of their lifestyle listen I mean. Sure. There's there's a lot of other things going on in grey gardens that are a little bit more hinging on the unsavory. How ever who among us is not jealous of their bond I'm very strong bond and love it. I thought it was wonderful. That's so great. That reminds me of. Something, that I did early, I've been doing a lot of reading during this time. Machine I forgot you don't know how to read. I Yeah. It's it's been really nice in again going to the regressive thing. It's like I feel like I'm regressing in a way that's very positive. To my high school self, which was a big reader, and during that time I had more time to read. Because I was you know not driving to school I was taking the bus was taking the subway. You know just constantly had a book in my bag that wasn't you know connected to a class and I just miss that so much I've been really trying to yeah. I've been trying to read more and I've been getting into a practice where all like wake up and do a thirty minute read and then you know day that's Great Nice it's a nice but earlier i. Was Really Hungry and trying to find like you know good book lists and things like that. I exhausted all of the good breeds and PR type stuff and I just found a list of. I think it was on buzzfeed honestly like list of books people wish that they could read again for the first time hard recommendation and I went through that list I added a bunch to, I've been using the Libya up on my IPAD. which is a LA public library APP. Yeah. It's so great and that that's been the best thing I've found books that have. Changed my life and. There's something you know this extra own of this is like you know somebody else's beloved book too similar to those movies just think colors it in a different way and. That's been really positive about this time to. That's so cool. I guess take a quick. Break. Let's take a quick break and we'll take another few minutes said afterwards to see what else is up. Hey you like movies without coming up with ideas over the course of an hour because that's what we do every week on story break a writers in podcast where three Hollywood professionals have an hour to come up with a pitch for a movie or TV show based off. Totally Zany. Time, we re imagine star wars based on our phones auto complete Luke skywalker is a family man and it's star wars, but it's a good idea. By the time we broke the story of a bunch of Disney channel original movies based solely on the title and the poster Sir highly the fifty foot woman. This is go with the. Time we finally cracked the Adobe Photoshop Feature Films Damn tool is your woody and the auto fill is the new buzz like doing this we have a good time imagining movies. Hollywood is too cowardly to make story break comes out every Thursday on maximum. Fun. I. Don't know why I'm using this voice now. 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Arnaud Drabs, and that helps if you want to literally murder aunt's like I do listen when I'm in their home outside I, let them do their thing. But when they're in my home, it's over you know that's all that's all I. They're allowed to do their thing just not in my space. That's all. Agreed. Wow. What a what a hot issue I know I know I know it's controversial by murdering. So I recently learned how to make. Vegan mayonnaises which I'm Mary. Impressed by it's truly just soya milk in grapeseed oil like it's incredible. I can't believe how easy and cheap it is. Do It yourself and then I think at this point everybody knows that I make my own peanut butter. I mean is something that on the daily people asked me to ask you I don't even tell you all the text I get. My God I'm so sorry for you. Sorry Last time I added a little bit of cinnamon to my peanut butter. Quite remarkable I So everybody just said you. Now you can make peanut butter literally by grounding up peanuts that all that's all it is like you just put some peanuts in a blender or food processor if you're lucky enough pavin. Until. It's peanut butter it really that cheap like you could get a pound of peanuts for like peanuts like that's why they say that saying it's like real teeth. And was like all the gifts because I've been unemployed this entire time aside from our job here. Maximum Fun to thank you again for everyone who chipped in really helping us eat. But yeah, I've been unemployed collecting unemployment and have been. It's been a really good experience to an opportunity really to find ways to like stretch your dollars and I think everybody you whether you have a job right now are not is finding new ways to kind of like save some money because you know we're starting to realize like you know we are we are in a depression and like we need to, we need to make those items last and so I've been like buying the sounds I mean. Not to excite you too much. But like I've been cooking my own beans from dry beans into like I stopped buying canned beans, which I think is kind of crazy. My Hat has flown off my head. That is that is sincerely impressive. I think just having like you know it takes so much. You realize when you start cooking just to do the basic things like make price or. Cooked beans I think I mentioned to you when you were talking to me about your Mayonnaise I said Oh I'm going to start making my own mustard. You know I've been buying. Mustard in plastic containers I'm realizing now are not as good for the environment for him, but you know they're just what's available and I text it to you I'm going to start making my mustard before even looking at a recipe. Can Be Alley. There's like twelve ingredient. Maybe. I was looking at are really extensive one, but it was it was a lot. So here's Juliet. Here's what you do. You take your mustard seeds you could do a mixture of yellow and Brown and then depending on if you want it to be a dijon mustard or kind of a spicy mustard or just your bike kind of yellow mustard that will determine what you're going to soak it in overnight. So you could get an apple cider vinegar for like a kind of. Classic mustard or you could do white wine vinegar for a dijon or you could just rain water first Bisi and then so you let that like sit overnight and then old pump up all the seeds, and then you'll just mash those up and so any other recipe that's telling you that crazy is lying to you why because when you told me that you wanted to make mustard I was like I want to do that to you and then I spent like six hours researching really. Funny. I was like girl you didn't have this information when I told Her. Like purposely trying to like no. No no no I love it. I also have been like how I'm GonNa make my own Tofu. I'M GONNA. Do designated that who knows if I actually like how long will take me to get into like making my own stuff like that? That's pretty intensive but I am trying really hard like you to be more sustainable and You know just as little plastic as possible with all these fires with everything going on. It's scary like I just I wanNA help the environment as much as we can, of course, everybody knows the green new. Pretty bitching hope it happens. Yeah Would love it. If trump was not president that'd be cool. That's as political as we need to really get trump. I think we all know trump is i. think the simpsons even though they haven't like blatantly said, trump is bad I. I'm pretty sure they actually they have trump is bad in some ways so. Bad you guys. He's he stinky now like I'm. I don't like a smelly. President. What is something that you're looking forward to? This upcoming week. Oh that's a really nice question. You know I got a couple of things. I've got a new thing in my life. That is that's a once a week thing that I think is really positive and kind of unexpected, and maybe some people who follow me online know this. But I got asked by my Alma Mater to start teaching online and so I've started teaching a writing for animation TV class, for Chapman, university and It is thank you. It is. It has been very positive. You know I I think mainly because I'm teaching college students who want to be there. It's been really nice in that way and. Of course, I went all the layers of imposter syndrome and being like what my joke was like. Well, this is proof that college is fake that they're asking me. But I guess I've proven that I can write for animation. Having done it for a while so Aspen that's been really fun and and my students are really lovely and. Yeah teaching on Zoom is not ideal, but you know I think. As far as teaching situations go I've seen a lot of those tic tacs where it's the teachers for Grade School and Middle School and and it's real rough compared to what I got. So I'm happy about that. Yeah, and I've got you know some zoom ketchups with friends this week that I'm excited about yeah. Just other things you know once the air quality gets super super better and and my little asthmatic long. Lungs. Can go outside. You know I'll look forward to spending some time in nature what about you? Let's see. I don't really have anything going on but I, like I'm going to One thing I've been trying to do is. Educate myself just in in as many ways as I cam and I've been trying to like kind of refresh myself on US history and also get some new perspectives on it, and so I think I'm excited about kind of just hunkering down in like China teach myself some more US history. Crazy. That's so. Say, that because I want to say two months ago I started and I'm mind you did not finish but maybe you are. Better than me in this regard but I started an online like a free online course. I think you were the one that told me about like a Harvard Free Online. Is it was off of that Harvard free site that was a US history course, and I really enjoyed it the three weeks that I spent engaged with it. That's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe I'll send you the link and. It'll be something that he'd be into but yeah, it's. Kind of remarkable, the very basics of know. Things that we were taught in high school that you know have seemed to be pushed to the back of the memory pile and yeah, it's important to just you know understand those basics. Yes. One hundred percent and I have found also like as you know like the more you know about the world, the funnier you can be because like it just gives you more things to joke about like if nothing else is just another topic but also like more and more jokes will become clear to you in the simpsons like the more. About. Yeah I I. I've had that thought many times when it comes to just like keeping up with the news just like what's happening today in sort of topical stuff and that's just beyond you know if you are an aspiring writer and you want to write for Super Super Topical shows like the daily show or you know late night things like that I feel like just. Absorbing trends in history absorbing all of these cultural references and it's not just about like insert. So and so's name and suddenly you get the punch line laugh it's more about like the broader understanding of how history repeats itself and the broader understanding of like how our society is evolving in a way that is really absurd i. think it always comedy. Yeah totally. Well, guys it's been really nice to just take a few minutes to kind of catch up on Kenneth Fill you in on what we've been up to Juliette. It's always nice to talk to you and I wish that we. Person but it's always nice to be here with you while we are looking for our next guest Sin China secure those superstars. While stay active on our social media, and then also make sure to check in if it ends up being more than you know a few weeks but. Stay connected we would love to hear from you Julia where can people find you? Oh, thanks for asking I'm Ashley Oppressed gone all the things alley where can people find you? Thank you so much for asking. You could find me at Allie Gertz and all the things and you find us at Simpson's pod and Ran Springfield is production maximum fund. We are a member supported show baby. So go to maximum dot org slash joined to contribute our booking manager is hey suzanne breath your and our senior producer is Laura Swisher switch switch. maximum fund, Dot Org comedy, and culture. Artists. Owned audience supported.

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Ep. 169: The cult of a new reality

Tights and Fights

38:46 min | 1 year ago

Ep. 169: The cult of a new reality

"The park is not perfect wrestle in his dad. Gosh off. Aw Aw I eat grass allaying. It's only to Same here welcome to upkeep only to. Yeah they're all old party while Lindsay my car away we had a Chubby kid. Celebration where we just like. Nelson's that's what that sounds like sounds like cheeks lapin. Slava cheeks are new podcasts. Now I have a thing that somebody else doesn't have but I could be a part of his right Lindsay. She was everything she was not. Blessed with the double cheese. Yeah Yeah too bad. Lindsey eat a cake about it. Welcome to tighten fights the show that discusses wrestling with sincerity and hilarity that it deserves. I'm the cult of personality Jason. How how loveline and thank you? Michael Saratov on twitter for that one. He really good at the ponds. Michael Sarah Time I see you. That's really really good had and enjoyed today by my fellow and I'm joined today by my fellow member of the Nation of conversation. Keep it in because it said uh-huh sliding here with dummy data just stupid. Whatever ooh ooh ooh ooh screen time okay boomer slide into your DM punk Danielle Radford? I like pat fat very good police leading to my. DM's I'm single again. So let's can do single again. God who knows man out of our you. I'll not be single in like two months. It'll it's fine. You know what you are. Strong woman stabbed. No no you are great person so whatever. Oh you want when you want it will be there for you. That is something I I one hundred simple leave. I would say it off air. Learning this on air. Yes so now here we are talking about yeah. I think I'm engaged to the bag at this point that money engaged to the bag. This not your new album. Yes that's my new to the baggage with this new title. Do you remember this. Well see I do a lot of features lately yet. Another people's tracks just doing it's lovely. This is like as much either losing or gaining a ton of listeners. Right now I choose to think that we are getting them. But there's only two of us we have to make an extra silly. You guys were patent it out like this all right. Let's house cleaning out of the way you wanted to know for awhile and we can can finally confirmed the rumors are true. Everything people are talking about it on twitter there snapchat about it. They're doing the Graham about it. Are they some people really. Yeah Oh so person put it on their time line. Know everybody's talking about it though but I'm here to confirm. The news is true tights. I Tim fights is moving to Saturdays. What that's right? Listen to us. Why you do your house Cleveland bitches? Yeah when you get up in the morning and no cartoons are on anymore and you're you're you like. When I was a kid there were cartoons? Eat some lucky charms and give us a listen. Why don't you and we're like the mandatory and we'll be there right when you wake up because we're dropping at like midnight? I've only watched ten ten minutes of the mandatory on what started it last night. Jennifer and I watched Noel. How is that I was like it was charming and cried? Oh I'm in I'm into it. Cheesy easy holiday movies man. Give him to me. Put them right vans. And then I realized that I had not yet watched full gear. Whatever whatever that fucking pay per view for this weekend was full gear is one of their jokes from right? It's a it's a thing where it's like if you're full gear is like it's both a reference to putting on your gear that that's match but it's also like getting shape for the match. You gotta go full gear. But it wasn't the name of it right. I remember I had to watch that. So that was twelve hours of my life that I had to spend watching wrestling which I got to spend watching wrestling but I'm going to watch more mandatory yet. The show is going to be on Saturday starting next week. The twenty second of November we will be recording recording our first Friday recording. It'll be happening. They'll be released the following day on Saturday. The twenty third. That's going to allow us to talk about eighty W and raw and exte- exte- and maybe w power. Maybe we'll talk about some interviewee power. It turns out. That's not the one you guys are aching for us to talk about yet. Not Interested in that. It's fine so we had some other stuff. We're ready to talk about but let's go ahead and address arrest the second hottest story in the world of wrestling breaking news drubbing last night Jillian. Where's that clip? What are we doing to you? What would you five minutes or less or five seconds? Actually think it's fine 'cause we're talking over journalistic stuff we've got plenty of women. Fox's pampered colder personality. I don't care if they're jacking. I don't care we all know what this May. Am We know it is wwe. He's under their culture. Aw Oh yeah. This is definitely Fox. Being this is our Dick on the table this is just our big little floppy Dick and put it on the table because we all knew that there were rumors that he had auditioned but when he wasn't announced I think we all just kind of assumed like it's not going to happen and and who knows if this was always the plan to throw us off because it was probably always meant to be a surprise so if this was the plan to be like well we'll throw them off the trail by not announcing him right away. Yeah yeah or it could be like it. Turns out that not hiring him was a bad idea of any boys. So you took the money. Sucks the fuck up yeah. I'd forgotten about it either way. I mean I knew it had happened but it was out of my mind. There was more than so much happening survivor. Series and at full gear power power. The new cycle for wrestling is a lot shorter. At of course the twitter reaction I saw was seth rollins this writing fight me see punk which I thought is that the match. I WanNa see me personally. I don't think you step foot in a ring ring I think figuring the yeah. Yeah who would you have him manage. If you're gonNA have a managed somebody. Oh now that's different. Subject can manage Paul Heyman managing uh-huh. Oh Gosh the revival because I love them and they don't need it 'cause they can talk doc fine but I feel like they always get short shrift and they're too good to do that and like the way that they wrestle. I think that he would just give them a little a little bit of extra shine and it would make them feel more important interesting. Let's see somebody in the women's division. I think that would be good. Sasha Yeah Sasha I love I love Sasha like if Sasha could talk like Becky yes it'd be they would both the two of them would be the biggest wrestlers wrestlers in the world period. Even Charlotte got better. Yes votes on it. But I I. It's about who they chances to to improve. Yes who gets more opportunities. He's kind of mess up. Pick themselves off and keep going Yep hundred percent well speed people picking themselves up and keep it going all eat. Wrestling is kept going and going and going and they had their first pay per view as a full-time TV. Show this past Saturday full gear. Every title was at stake through the night. But there's one match that got people talking game for better or for worse Jon Moxley versus Kenny Omega an unsanctioned lights out match incredibly violent easily the longest match of the night with moxy coming out on top. I was maybe a third to half way through this match when I remembered suddenly and strongly that I do not care for the style of match any more. I thought you were going to say that. I had to watch the mandatory again. I had to go back to that first. Ten minutes of the Mandal oriented revisit very good good great emotion. The stories they set up the GOP them to the board of mouse traps the broom like everything the wrapped in barbed wire all the time in the discourse online has been very much like either people. Well who are like. I don't like this kind of match and I don't know if it serves anything and then the people who are like suck it up pussies. I felt very strongly in the. It's just not for me. I get it. It's four four other people and I'm not going to be like banning it stupid clearly. Eight of you has always said that. They are a place where they were going to do all the different kinds of wrestling. That has always. He's been what cody has liked. And that's why a lot of wrestlers flock to it because they want to do all the different kinds of wrestling. y'All me I don't like it. I don't like when they're genuinely humanly trying to hurt themselves each other. And even when that stuff's gimmick you can't gimmick barbed wire you can't god that fucking cage tent covered in barbed wire that they both jumped onto. Do I think it's necessary now. Do I think it really helps the product now. But I'm not saying like don't do it affects my tweets the night where Rene losing your fucking mind about how much me to her on twitter sub tweeting the match because of her contract husbands husband. So she's GonNa. I liked hardcore wrestling when I was younger. And as I've as I've aged I've become less interested in that because to me when I look the story removed from it and there was a story to this match a lot of hardcore match especially the ones that were happening during the attitude era and wwe were like now. Here's is this cookie sheet. We're GonNa hit you with. Yeah but when there's an actual story to it I enjoy it when I look at it and say could I take all of these weapons out of this and it's still be an interesting story and if the answer is yes then for me it just comes down to. I like seeing people get hit with barbed wire. I don't like seeing people get it with barbed wire us us. If it doesn't if for me as a viewer and fan it doesn't really elevate the action that doesn't add it only adds stakes in that. Either one of them could end their career earlier. Also it's like when you're doing regular match and someone picks up a Kendo stick into starts wailing on someone the impact that has is is. It's something so when you do have a hardcore match and you do one like every pay per view or every other pay per view it does take away you know. Well who gives a fuck about a chair shot if these I do too throwing themselves onto thumb tacks and mousetraps but again that's just me also logically if you've already both been dropped onto a just weird mesh tent of barbed wire. It seemed odd to me that the thing that ends the batches took the canvas off and the and the thin layer foam. And there's just boards to be fair. There's just sports do hurt. I'm sure they do but I mean what I'm seeing presentation could hurt a lot but if you cross your bicep. I'm conditioned to go. Well that is less than that saying I watched this through my eyes like yeah I am squeamish like I don't like I like horror. I don't like the kind of horror that has jumped scares and gory stuff. So that's also part of it is like you know so when someone bleeds for me. That's like a huge impact on on a match but if the entire point of the match is to make them bleed. I'm a little tender sensitive baby with a little. You know sensitive baby heart. You know agreed grade. Well let's go from the end of the night we'll go back to the beginning of the night and the the opening match of the show watch. Do we go all the way back to the pre show in Britt Baker beating that woman. I didn't even watch that I did. Yeah yeah her versus priestly. That was that was a match. That was a match. That was is fine. I feel like that was the best match I've seen either of them have so far. I was grateful to have an extra women's match on the card. Yes please it was the mattress fine. It's SORTA was what it was to me like. I remember it because I saw this morning at five eight and then can talk about the best part of that match. Please Awesome Kong. Yes coming out to cut some hair yes sure. Oh my God okay. First of all shades of Lucia underground. This absolutely reminds me of Katrina. Grena says which Katrina was death. She is the personification of death and memorial. Says is who she would take out to like take out everybody around and she had control love him and Blah Blah Blah and. That is exactly what this is giving me except like the All lady version and I fucking love it. I know stupid. I know it's Corny. I don't care that's what I like it and and Awesome Kong taking pelts of what. I'm assuming you're already clowns. I doubt that people are actually giving her their hair. That's probably we already like a clip on that she cuts off or whatever but her taking pelts after every match shut up. It's amazing yeah. It was a cool moment. I like to tell the first match of the official pay per view Santana. RT's beat the young bucks continuing the apparent tradition of stacking up losses. And there was a great moment where Ricky Morton did a Canadian destroyer and it was not at all weird and uncomfortable for me to watch a Clinton you start. You were not okay. Yeah no it was not at all like Oh this is look rock and roll express. It's just going to keep doing stuff and we're all going to have to be okay with it. Let them do it let them look. They've earned it. They've they've well learned whatever the hell they will die in the ring. I enjoyed the match. I liked it was good fun by second favorite young bucks match. I've watched I've watched a lot of them. You haven't wants private. Party is my favorite far. And I figured you because this one is the least. I think young Bucky that they've been a deal like for ever since that. You would like it and I for me. I think it's like if it did feel like they were holding back but it's also like it's a lot of show and if they were going full bucks we know from the way they were booked on the indies. If they were going full bucks these other teams would not have one more than likely so having them play at like you know. Threequarters Bucks. Seventy five cents if one will Having them play at seventy five cents an does make sense that these other teams are winning and also it gives again. You have to build up if you WANNA tag team division where the bucks looked like. They're really hot shit. If they get on the top of the tag division you have to build the division absolutely maybe the matches that work in other venues. Don't work the same in this instance. And that's what they're realizing or they're building towards that it's very smart so does is that I am. I am looking forward to getting my bucks back though I would like to say something about ring gear if I may yes please. I'm fine with people wrestling in oshkosh b`Gosh but when you have that one strap trap hanging with the clip on it. That just feels like something that could get lodged in your spine or caught on something like an unnecessary risk. No no one cares about the stuff that you're not it just hangs there important part. Is that the the front flops down right and then just take that other strapping lake put it. You know like just like take Gulf the the hard bit and then have someone like so it on the inside because also does seem like something that get caught in some guests. Somebody can step on it by mistake. Yeah a lot of things go wrong. Yeah it's like why. Why add another variable of danger because at least when people put on all the tassels and stuff on the costume? Those can rip away very easily and they're shorter whereas this that's denim denim was meant for for hard men working in this working in the minds. That's right this is for people digging for gold. Yeah so it's meant to last. Yeah when you wear your Jagan's strap on dungarees younger reason. Only that metal that little metal bit on the strap uncle Al Cares. That's what I'm saying. Pack also got his first loss against hangman. Adam page again again really good match one thing. I noticed that I really liked was. They were very quick to establish that hangman page is bigger yet then PAC but PAC is just. It's a strong yet as hangman page and it made me think of how sad it was to see when they put the mighty never excluded mighty mouse anywhere the cave which is really what they wanted to do so sad. It's nice to see him booked. Well he plays a hill so well pack you. You did what needed to be done son. And I'm very happy that you are no longer. Whatever I I'll still take a red Arrow any day? The Red Arrows to hits for me. I don't care I don't need a black Arrow you mean like like I don't care and hangman page. Looks like Stephen Mel from Arrow. So they're all over the ring. Oh okay well and Steven A.. MELCAN can show up literally at any time. Yeah one less non title match to discuss Shawn Spears getting the win against Joey Danila. which is a thing that happened? I I love Jamila Spears. It's still there is. He's very talented. I know that everyone loves them and everyone loves working with him like I know that he's like he's the wrestler's wrestler. I know everyone loves them. They're still for me. A CHARISMA GAP. What is it what he is missing charisma for me as a face to I mean when he was when he was tied dillinger in the perfect thing he had was the perfect ten besides that and we all love chanting ten ten ten ten ten but eventually there has to be something more? Wh what else was it. Besides a number his hands would make a ten. They made a ten minute attempt and he would he would and we would. I would say it would put it in people's faces and then when it was the royal rumble he would come after ten and then they would lose a rematch. That was what Russell God damn sense. He was the perfect and and he lost a lot even annex t he lost he was growing up perfect ten and he was always winning. That's that's something interesting right. Yes S.. Perfect ten by the way for our younger listeners. Who Don't remember time before Internet porn was also a very classy gentleman's magazine featured ladies just lounging by the pool? Nothing filthy but their whole thing was that like none of our women have been worked on which was like. Yeah okay. Perfect ten and my college roommate had it and I would steal it when he was at home. You let these not here I gotTA keep up. The horny don't mean making me alone but yeah so that's that's what it is for me. I I think it's even with him as a heal. It's just it's missing. That charisma for me until you get to be the one liberty it out. Don't think so. All the respect to televise tallied. I love you alleged. Hey if you have any thoughts on what. We've discussed so far connect with us on facebook twitter and instagram via the links and shouts. Or just do this and we'll hear you. You are twilight bark. It's a call. It's a mating call one wrong to. We'll be back after a break. Talk about everything that shook out on an x t plus some title matches from eighty. W that's up next to intensify. Well Alexis we got big news. Oh season one done. It's over season two coming at you three years after these. It's all right now. Listen Canape your dog. This podcast our seasons run for three and a half years and then season two we can match you with new hot co host was named you. Hi I'm Alexis. Field Dog Tech. Yeah Dog News. Talk News celebrity guests. Oh big shots will not let them talk about about the resume not dogs. I mean if ever you were going to get into candidate your dog now is the time every Tuesday at maximum dot org welcome back tights and fights on how Loveland I'm joined today by at that's it and it's enough. We're enough how we are enough we. We're looking at yourself in the mirror and say I am enough. I'm enough enough to how so we're both here together. Let's talk about the title matches from aws. Full gear I socal uncensored retain the tag titles against the Luther Brothers and private party three very good team yes very good match So Oh colin censored they're great. They deserve all the shine that they get for Daniels making a triumphant return. Love Him Private Party. I'm really ready for them to just kick the ass of everything yes. They seemed like they should get a title run sooner rather than later. This is the blow off with the loser brothers. I feel like that's going to continue you now. With Christopher Daniels attack that is being continued to them. Maybe Luther Brothers have the title and then Private Party takes it up to like. I don't know what their plans are yet ultimately but again it's one of those things where it's like. I'm glad like legit brothers. I've said this they don't need it. They are fucking legends. They don't need it so cal uncensored I am very happy they got it. Yes because because this is probably the biggest stage any of them have ever been on right. I mean discounting waterworld Daniel. Well well. I'm never discount waterworld universal studios because the best thing that ever happened to me. Julianne all of you non fucking believers man. I'm telling you go to the waterworld show universal studios it is God damn life changing. Yeah but one thing before we move on just got to say it's just my little nitpicks with W and it's something that I feel like. They are doing way too much. We don't criticize E W ear. No like they just got to stop doing a Turn off the lights. Oh my gosh. What's happening? Why are the lights out home? I hope I got somebody who's entering ice where they have done it at least four or five times by now they did it with Orange Cassidy did did it went Shawn Spears came out and jr going. What's going on and then Shawn Spears sitting? Just I'm done with it. I'm tired of it. I've seen it way too many times. I'm just every time it goes out. I'm just like God damn it just. There are other ways to introduce people as a surprise. You don't need to do that anymore. That the easy one because you the nobody can see. I don't know it makes perfect sense to me. This match got a lot of attention. Both positive and negative Reijo successfully defending the Awa Women's World Championship. Me Sikora why did it get negative. Was the negative. Some people might not have been used to this style of wrestling. which I I personally do not agree with it was out there? I think that they wrestled the style. They were comfortable with and I think this is kind of like when people I saw Lucia for the first time. Unlike you sound very mysterious mainstreaming that style. There's some growing pains that come with like wait. What is this I liked it and it kinda comes with time like a couple of people speaking going back to talking about be priestly? I think it was stroud in particular who was like you know. She's more used to doing a lot of these Japanese matches and so she isn't quite used to doing doing more of the US style because obviously the British style. She's used to both of those not so much the US but again. I'm very happy that all styles the wrestling or being represented I loved it. I thought it was a great match but also like I watch a lot of Japanese wrestling. So yeah yeah that was good. I liked the story of it. Didn't stand and out to me super one way or the other. I'm kind of curious. What their first long term program is going to be kind of like excited for it? Go to step on my face. I've talked about time. Yeah let's step on your face. Finally let's talk about the a e w world championship match Chris. Jericho versus cody. I just can't I can't. I'm so disappointed. Personally Really Chris Jericho Info wars shitty. Yeah yea side from the wrestling. And then he found himself off as a journalist come just platform had fuck off. Come on smarter than it's I'D I. I like Chris a lot. I was a huge nobody. I don't think anybody in this booth was a bigger fan of his. You know I will say this right on. And I'm like a huge fan. And he's he's my best friend I it's really. It's really disappointing. I'm really really disappointing. But Hey scarf daddy let me down. He's very good wrestler. He's he's a very good wrestler and he is and he does have me on stuff sometimes. It's really hard Yeah that sucks. Don't make friends with your heroes. 'cause sometimes they'll do stuff you don't like in. There's no way for you to talk about it and we're not like best friends like obviously we all know that that's our joke. I can't I'm I'm him and he will say hi back. Yes yes yes yes I can limit of yeah. I can text Xavier Woods. We can have a short conversation. Detente Xavier would congratulations. And he'll be like for what and I'll be like the seven time title and he'll be like all right. I haven't tested in a while. I haven't texted Christian awhile. I'm going to do that. Adjust say hello see. We're not we're not friends but they are polite to I would say Simon Gotcha my friend yet guys a friend of mine. Yeah Yeah and a good guy. Yeah yeah mostly just like if I say hi on twitter they will not ice me out. That's right that's right world just people relatives people trying to make it through. But he's way more famous people than we go through. They've made it through for all questionable for all of us questionable podcasting choices. He does put on a great show in the ring and his match. With cody is no exception. Can we keep cody's head away from wrestling rings. I just and floors associated with wrestling ring. Cody I assure you did that on purpose. I'm sure he did. I understand but it didn't look like a blade job. Don't he busted up as this was a hard way fucking orbital. He led a diamond plated floor. Give him a hard way to this. You're still young. You can still w an actor like please please please please. I just I I understand why but it's always it's also one of the things was cody like you if if anyone understands dusty we didn't really see a deterioration of intelligence as much as it was like. Obviously everyone's body goes when it goes sure he was still like they're just right but all of his friends around him and then just cody. Being a part of wrestling is watching it happen. It's like this. It's it's a correlation. My friend one is two and less. I mean you know unless your parents Howard and then it's not but yeah. I still very good match. Great Great Match Jerko. Getting slapped in the head by cody's mom really fall when she just reached over pot atop the head. Slow tap enjoyed that like little tap tap in Jericho definitely new other new podcast. I think the highlight of this matches the finish. Uh when my golden child which I mean it should be the finish should be the highlight of any match. But yes out of concern for his friend Maxwell Jacob Friedman threw in the towel Ended the match and then this appaled juicing. Sorry the barrister you have. That'd be the first time I got fives sport. That's why he that's why we all want them so much. You Kill Cody Faster Mr Faster. So good baby boy. My able. He's a shining paragons of ought to via. He'll he's my baby. Boy is a baby man now. He's a baby man. His scarf is now policy. Had His bar Mitzvah Saturday. It just like my nephew and I was there. Ended in Leah By. Thank you for sending Lisa this ball cleaners by the way the JR's plug it so they have the their trimmer is called the lawnmower and you can get what they call the nuts and bolts set that comes with the lawnmower our and Baldy odor it which is just. It's called crop preserver and just says Anti Hyphen Ball Deodorant. Well I'll tell you when I when I when I've been on the road and I get home now near looks like I got a cheap aetna scissor lock so I get out the lawnmower what I do after shower. I get it in the lawnmower then. I use the ball deliverance deliverance or doesn't smell ago head cheese factory and then afterwards I use I use crop. Cleanser crop cleanser and I- tone up my balls and put her and I go to sonic. I don't know why they won't come on board anyway. You know what he tells it what he calls. I look at an essay. You little bastard that not family. Oh my God it's it's as God is my witness. shorted in half new day. They are now seventy five tag champs beating the revival which means they will face off. Undisputed era and the Viking Raiders at survivor series. Was this necessary to add more juice to the match because you have to sort of have new day involved. Because they're a bigger name to feel like you you have to get them in there and they're unwilling to do it with it. Can't do Viking raiders separate show so they're like all right let's transition at here and give new day the they'll be great. I'm not I'm not mad at added. I'm not mad at it but I'm always like oh by all you do need like more of the revival or not marquee names and in the way that that new day are not going to lie. I would love to see another new day. He'll run. They won't do it. I would to. They won't do it. They sell way too much merch. Yeah I think like I would just be like how I was was when it was Hollywood. Rock I WANNA hate this guy but dammit he's so that's exactly what it would be then. I'm off that that's why people love fucking joker ochre and everyone was afraid people. We're going to go out. And do joker stuff was me. He's like he's a villain that we like. There are way too. Many people dancing on stares down no man. I feel so bad for those folks that live in the Bronx. Sorry about your stairway. 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WRESTLEMAINIA VERNA hurts odd. Watches watches Wrestlemainia to keep in touch with everything. I'm going to read a quote. I think there's another one but I'm going to read this quote. It didn't inform my filmmaking per se but it widened my scope into look into corners that I hadn't taken seriously let yet and it's the same reason. I guess that I tried to tell him to watch the Anna Nicole Smith show and by the way also wrestlemainia and he asked about Wrestlemainia. And I said I do believe there's a crude form of new drama emerging that we do not understand yet and it's not the fights that are so important. What's more important is the show around it? The the owner of the franchise stepping into the ring with four blondes with breast implants and his wife was being wheeled in a wheelchair paralyzed and blind. And he makes fun of his wife. And the son of the owner owner of the franchise interfering and fighting father in the ring and we had an understanding over this. So he's only eighteen years behind. Well no I think from what my understanding is has because I love Renner Herzog. I think that he is great. But I'm not like a mega fan. I think that he's like a weird dude and entertains me greatly. Apparently he like watches wrestlemainia every year. Wow and at the same one he only watches. Xm As you won't believe Mick Foley. Sarah Free just watches it. It sits the favorite pulls out the suck Mr Soko and gives the bulk law. I think he's caught up. I think they put versus versus Roman reigns legitimately as a huge fan you so many times before he loves we don't we could And and so that just tickled the fuck out of me. So that's what I'm putting over. I'm putting over verner Herzog's love of pro wrestling in. WWe Rian Wrestlemainia now. There are only two of us so we have a three count and thought it'd be because you mentioned you had this You have some thoughts from Lindsey. That you've cold so CALC was very very disappointed. 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Reissue: Heat Rocks - Cymande

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Reissue: Heat Rocks - Cymande

"KCRW sponsors include net flicks from Academy Award nominated filmmaker tamra Jenkins private life is the funny yet moving story of a couple trying to maintain their marriage while dealing with infertility private life streaming. Now only on Netflix. Hey, everyone lost notes producers here. I'm Mike and I'm Nick, and we've got another reissue on the feed for you. These are highlights from some of our favorite music podcasts out in the world yet. And hopefully these will tide you over until our next season's coming very soon indeed. So this reissue it is one that I'm really excited about. It doesn't episode from the show heat rocks and it's hosted by music writer, Oliver Wang, and the DJ and music supervisor, Morgan roads. So on each episode of the show, they invited special guests to talk about a heat rock, a hot record. Scorcher a banger, just awesome albums from soul hip hop, funk, jazz, whatever. And it's released by our friends at the maximum fund network. Nick, I have always wanted to hear you say that word banger you don't hang out with me enough. Like I know, I guess. So speaking of hanging out, I really feel like the room and this episode could not have had a better group of people in it between Oliver and Morgan, and they've brought in their friend cut chemist. Who a lot of folks on this podcast may know as deejay and producer and deep create vigor himself. So he's brought in this. Record from nineteen seventy two by Ben called soman day. And if you've been keeping tabs at all on the spiritual jazz revival, that's been lighting up southern California. You will find plenty to love in Simone days music. It is so good. I have to say this is like one of my favorite all time records. I was really excited to listen to this episode. Let's dive in. Hello. I'm Oliver Wang and I'm Morgan ruins. You're listening to heat rocks. Every episode, we invite a guest to join us and talk about it heat rock that LP that has burned something deep into their memory. And today we are going to be talking about some Mondays self titled debut album from nineteen seventy two. He rocks podcast is a safe space for music enthusiasts for music snobs. There are other places too. To that end if you've not heard of some day, no problem and no judgment yourself titled debut released in one thousand nine hundred seventy two didn't make a splash like other UK sounds. They came in peace but meant business where the message was concerned, a message of brotherhood freedom, some part spiritual jazz, some parts, just spiritual. If you're into Gumbo. Then the band in this album is all you. There's folk and rock soul and spoken word meditations in libations for Nelson know what we're talking about is Saint Vincent Guyana and Jamaica funk. That's what it is. Let it get into you. Ooh. Talk about some day. We invited Lucas macfadden better known as cut chemist. Since the early nineteen nineties. He's been one of the premier mixmasters selectors producers in all around good dude to come out of the l. a. hip hop scene, you may know him from his work with Jurassic five or os of motley or his DJ mixed tours with DJ shadow or his own solo career. The latest capstone being his new album die cut, which just came out this March cut chemist. Welcome to heat rocks. Thank you for having me. It's going to be here. You know, we were talking before we started taping about what other albums you might have been interested in talking about. And you basically said this was the only one it was. It was the Simande debut album. Why is this album? The only one that you would want to get into? Well, because it was the one that I loved the most and I felt like, you know, when you dig through music and you have other friends who dig through music, a lot of what you're gonna find is a filter. Of other people's tastes going, hey, you know what? You should listen to this. You might like this, you might, you know, that one's wack. This one's good, and a lot of my digging experiences have been that and some Monday was was not that I. Stole that record. Limitations. Probably probably good, but only I think to a certain dollar amount which I exceeded and in one thousand nine hundred seven. And I, I was told about this record by a couple of Bibo is in New York City record store called high tech, and it was on bleeker. Jeeva. And it was one of these short lived record stores. I was out there. I was fifteen years old and they played me the Paul win Lee, twelve inch of some Monday with smoking, and it was fifteen dollars. And I was like, man, that's gotta be rare. It's too much money for me though. And then I thought about it the next day. And went back to go buy it. And they said, sorry, Japanese gentlemen came in here and bought it, of course. And so that was my first experience of going Tam at the Japanese came in here and bought the record. I wanted. What are they doing? My records and so and so I- later that year I found a copy of the album. Yeah, and yeah, I acquired it and and I all I knew was the song brawl. This is fair fairly early as nineteen eighty-seven. Yeah, and so I fell in love with another song and it was after I was done with bras like, okay, that's cool. What else is on this record? And I found the message and I, I was like, well, what do people are sleep? And this is the song right? Love right. Right. And and then from that on, I just found a new song to fall in love with, you know, Zion, I. Rickshaw. I mean, and then of course, when you get into the song dove. It's just it takes a long time to just deconstruct will high one would love that song because there are so many different parts to love and and then I just realized that it was a perfect album that I kept listening to at the most. You know, I probably really fell in love with the most around that time that was discovering. Dove was a few years later in nineteen ninety. Nine hundred ninety one when I was graduating high school and moving into college. And. And just kind of having a spiritual shift and responding to more of that element of that album than funky breaks and loops and stuff. If you can just for moment, take us back to you, you you would graduated right around the same time as me. So what was like an eighteen? Nine hundred cut chemist. Getting into besides basically having her life altered by some day and theft theft. Brecca theft in eighteen nineteen. So okay, let's go back a few years. And you know when I was fourteen fifteen, I was taking trips to the east coast with my family. My sister was going to school NYU and so we would visit every summer and I would bring blank tapes. And while they were going to see a player, something I would be in the hotel room recording, chill out, and red alert mile shows as they were happening. Back into the body with Chuck chill out and Dougie fresher, get fresh crew on kiss FM. And even taking the train to places like queens and trying to venture out a little bit further. And so I was it was always a pilgrimage for me because coming from l. a. and I just loved to research New York hip hop. I always looked at the backs of records and see who was involved right? Those names down and have a laundry list of names to look at. When I went record shopping in these cities on these coast, and you know back then you could carry on three crates records on a plane and bring it home, and it's no big whoop, and I would bring them home and be the only kid in school that new. I didn't even have anybody to talk to about this kind of stuff because they didn't care. You know, I found the record that gem Astor j uses impede or piper, but also grandmaster flash uses in wild style in nineteen eighty two. Great. You couldn't find high school friends to talk about this. No, my high school friends didn't even care that I had the takes a nation album like six months before came out, you know, they were like, you know, well, they'll probably care now, if I tell him remember I had that on tape for you guys in there like now, but yeah, so I was always that guy that. You know, studied music and and you know, I loved this culture so much. I wanted to get to the epicenter of it and extract as much information as possible to bring it home. And you know, I don't know, just I wasn't producing at the time, really. I mean, I guess I kind of wasn't eighty eight, but not to the point where I thought it was going to be a career. It was still just a hobby. So what was I dealing with this knowledge? I don't know. Just the fact that I loved it. In what kind of knowledge we getting from this Amande. So the soman album was a non academic? No, you know it wasn't. Left brain at all. That was the thing about the information that I was going after in the eighties about these hip hop record. It was all very catalog oriented and and you know, oh, I have to fill the void of this. I had to be completed. Simande was more of a time when I was kind of discovering. A lot of new things in life. A lot of new music LA. The live circuit in LA was was really happening for me. I met we'll dog and ninety one, and he was playing bass in a punk band. And so there was like this weird hybrid of funk. Punk rock in LA was very interesting time section eight miles band, inclined Janes addiction red hot chili peppers. It was all these amazing experiences and there was something about fusing John's together that you know, I it went far beyond walk this way by running him. See this was like. LA skate street culture meets funk meets punk, and it was really interesting to me and there is something about Simande that kind of MIR that somehow a little bit. And I think it was the fact that they were fusing different John together, right? I couldn't really put my finger on, you know, like I could the information of this rap record in the eighties. Where would be like this. That's what it is. I need it bag it store it. You know, as Tony stark would say, this was like, wow, is this African? Is it like a little bit Middle Eastern? It's is it reggae, is it? It's all those things, but it fuses it in a way to where you can't really discern one from the other. You don't know where one stops and the other begins. It just all blends uniquely. There's so many pieces that album that I explored took time with and then went on to another part of it and went on to another part of it. And it took me that long. And I think that's one of the things that made that album timeless for me in that I kept going back and not only that album, but the follow about looms, but I still go back to that. I, it is the one. Yeah. So that's pretty much why I call that my favorite album of all time. Wow. High praise raise. In preparing for this interview. You know, I was thinking back to, you know, hearing the record and I and I wanted to pitch it for something I was working on and listen through. I was like, oh, methane bishops. And that's not gonna work in thinking about it. I thought this is not when I when I would envision funk to be to me, it's not a straight ahead, funk album based on my own spirit with. So it's interesting to me that it's categorizes funk because to me, it's so much other stuff mixed in which takes it away from the funk that I that I grew up on, and I'm certainly talking about later stuff. I'm talking about the bark as right. I'm talking about Graham central station's. This is completely different to me. It leans very heavily west African. So you could just sort of like, let let folks know what makes this funk album at what am I one of my missing? I think you know, I, I think a lot of the elements that catego-. Is it is or is the fact that it was embraced by hip-hop deejays in the early days. And if that hadn't happened, I don't think that people even would put funk on records. I would think that would be more of a jazz record. Funk record, right in the background of the of the court musicians were they had did Jess training? Absolutely, absolutely. And west African music. You know, talking to Steve Scipio, you know, he talks about all that about the band circuits that they were in and out of before the ban right at actually solidified and I can't remember who who they were playing with, but I was asking about the Middle Eastern influences like the the flute in the in dove or the horn in the message. Which gets into like very snake, charmer kind of land. And yeah, he's like, oh yeah, that was all coming up through this circuit kind of thing and fusing it, and they're. So there's a such a Caribbean influence so Jamaican to me. So reggae, I'm just steeped in in a real true funked tradition. And so when I think about thinking about, like I said, the bark AO plays brass construction, and this is completely different to me. Yeah. Well, you got a, you know, what era are you talking about also because okay, so sa- mandate you know, the music we're talking about is like seventy two seventy five. So yeah, I mean it's not going to be anything that like you can put with parliament, chocolate city on on over, but you know, I think you can definitely pitted against bark as late sixties, early seventies stuff. I'm trying to think of other albums I bought with, you know, certainly James Brown records which they were clearly. I mean, people like Patrick, Patterson, Steve Scipio that to mean co-founders. I mean, they're absorbing all of this stuff. Absolutely. I mean being in the UK it was all happening. What really stands out to me about Samadi is that they are a group. You know there, everyone in that group are immigrants to to Great Britain. And I think one of the differences in thinking about black American musicians in black, British musicians is that most black American musicians came to the US through slavery. Whereas. Most black British musicians came. There's immigrants from the West Indies. I mean, it all begins with slavery in both cases, but that what to me, I hear reflected in Symond ISA Monday. I never know how to pronounce properly, but what I hear in their music is them drawing from this incredibly dice sport and very immigrant heritage in terms of the way in which they're bringing all of these influences from the Caribbean from west Africa from the United States that low ses thing I could think of maybe from the British seen would be us. Right. You know, that's kind of close to Samantha b, but not even really close because they depart from that whole afro rock scene and get into something way more spiritual. Plus, I mean talking about, you know, the the musical influences one of the guys from Jonah. I think. So there's that whole thing. But yeah, I mean, when the things that I hold near dear to my heart about some Mondays is is tell you right now is the song of you can your everything. You love about that group in that one song might be the one you were talking about about trying to play because it is really cinematic. People I know in film have always responded to that song. Like, you know, it's like a seven minute journey. It actually does sound like you're flying like you are dumb and that song, it's very precious, dick and yeah, it's it's, you know, I'm the kinda guy that wants to see pictures when he hears music, and that's what happened. When I hear when I heard that song, you close your eyes and you're just, you know, when it takes off and guitars going, you're soaring dude, you're like in the clouds and not a lot of music can take me away like, haven't, you know, take me out of myself and put me into a fantasy world, but that ultimately is what I want, because when I was a kid listening to music, that's why listen to music. I listened to the Star Wars track because I wanted to watch the movie and over and over again, but I couldn't. Yeah. So I had to just put on the record and imagine the movie. So at an early age, that was what I used music for was to watch movies, kind of imagining movies. In my head and this dove song did it, it's gorgeous. It just didn't work for, which is which was heartbreaking. I'll find a place where music dome be me to dibs on their Steve. You're about to get a placement. It just it just didn't work out. One of my favorite songs on the album is listen. Great. Thing. I message of listen. I like the pace of listen. I like the subtleties of listen. So we usually after the fire track is the fight trek is that's not fire track. What's your fire track Leon? Well, like I said, I'm went through different periods where it was. I went through each song on the record. I went. That's the one. That's the one that's one, but for sure is the one that that sticks with me. The most the message is pretty pretty close as well. And then what's the one is down down down down and then. Zion, either something very tribal about that one. You know, it's just flute in like big tribal drums and chanting. Yeah. And I guess I love I like listened because it's subtly, spiritual Zion is, oh, is overtly spiritual two different sides of the same grown. Listen, subtle sneaks up on you, and I love that. Love that about the song. Yeah, which are sleeper track on here. What do you? What do you think when people isn't into Zam? The one that they'll miss. Probably listen. I think that that took me a while to get to that one. But you know what? Actually, I think rickshaw rickshaw is the sleeper song for me because I I, I kept going by. I got enough to deal with be listening to rickshaw, but then I needed to be listening to rickshaw sudden and I really loved it. I don't know. I felt like I was a rickshaw reaction banger though. Yeah. Yeah, it's very. We'll be back with more conversation with cut chemist about some Mondays debut album after a brief word from a couple of our other favorite max podcasts, keep it locked. The dead pilot society podcast brings you hilarious. 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Yeah, at least three different cover el-salvador anima and deprive resilient one. There's even some like Hillard Jamaican ones via probably think the UK. What do you think? What do you think? Is it about the message that that caught the desire groups to cover it? Because I mean, there are a lot of amazing songs on here, but that's the one that other artists sided. Yeah, let's let's do our version of that. Do you think it might be the turnaround due to do like, who doesn't want to cover song that does that? You know, it's just so inviting like, okay, it's here. You take your turn it because that's always it's almost like Cissy strut. You know, feels like doodoo. Yeah, very similar. And then every group like nobody does at the same, not you know there's no two groups out there that can do at the same a lot. Like Sissy Streit's. No one's ever gonna do like the meters. I don't care how hard you try. Okay. How funky you think you are? You can't do it and and that and the message is the same way. I'm not saying that other versions are not as good because that Panama one is fire. It's incredible. They're all good because it's a great song. Yeah, but no one's gonna do it like Mandy been my psyche because we keep talking about songs that I wanted to play. Some also wanted to play Cissy strength, but I also didn't work where work out either. So listen, if you listening to this right now, you need to get on the program. I do. I do, but that's a, that's that's one of the books. Owen das- you question all over because I know you have interviewed the band, and I wanted to ask you about sampling and how they felt about sampling because of course they've been sampled by like Hella Hella people. Was there feeling about sampling? Are they embracing it? Are they like, you know. So yeah, I did get to. I got to interview Patrick and Steve for Rolling Stone a few years back. I did ask him about the sampling thing, and this is this is Patrick Patterson's answer, which is quote, I think sampling is a great thing. Personally, I think the creative processes such that young players can hear something in a piece of music and can make that evolve into something new and fresh vibrant. That's great. The only concern I would have in many would have is ensuring that intellectual property rights are so. So which is that sampling as great as long as is. I can dig it. You know, that's we all want everybody to get a piece. It's just be be fine. -able. I'm wondering from you cut, you know, given your relationship album like this, for example, would you have you ever sampled Monday? And would you not simply because at the relationship you have to like our, something's to sake. So so I think all the early unity committee demo tape samples, at least one of every song. Okay. Mondays, never love that. I mean, I did fuck I did. I did not do of oddly enough, but I did go down. I did Zion. I made a beat out of those bra was touched too much. So I left out around and and then I think I definitely sampled pieces of Russifying folks on. Media here this demo. Yeah, yeah. No, it's it's good trying to think if we actually cut vocals to design, I one because we used to perform it a lot of the good life. It was called tuna, seven chemistry, and it was. I remember the bridge goes, the bridge goes into the bridge by MC Shan, hey, about if we make the bridge gather this never edge. They're like genius anyway. Any favorites out there any fake besides your own work? Any any favorite samples favorite uses? That's not my work and my work would not be on any favorites list, but I thought the food is did a good job of. Did a good job. So. The sick. I thought soul did a really nice job with bra right with was it changes speak. I was probably my introduction. This Monday was was. I didn't know about some day when I was listening to deal on. Interesting. In eighty four. When I just heard Chuck Jellicoe. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. I was like, oh, that baseline. And then like two years later, three years later I hear it on a rapper and I'm like, that's that. And I was just so obsessed with anytime. Something twice was like up gotta, find the original source and. That was the basis of my obsession with everything, but also going back to kind of setting up the room of what it's like in ninety one. You know, I was, I had dreadlocks I was wearing ponchos was you know, in community college and in a rap group that utilizes musicians like will dog and drummer and in the punk scene and the rock scene listening to the doors. In this admirable. To this world worth thorough. Then listening to like reggae, kind of for the first time, you know, just trying everything out and buying a bunch of records. And also that was kind of my way of just being a sponge for new music and listening to rotary connection for the first time, discovering Axelrod all happening around that same time. Are there any bands now or any movements now that remind you of someone day who now more? I think more so than ever. You know, like groups like, you know, when you get into stuff like hide his Coyote and stuff. You know tune yards hundred percents, thousand percent. You know, they're blending genres to the point where I can't even tell what they're pulling from. 'cause they're, you know, we're living in a a playlist shuffle society where it's just like people are listening to sergeant pepper with guar and you know, James Brown and like some friendships care soundtrack in. It's all filtering into their brain and their regurgitating it as things like these groups which are churning out a weird chemistry of different sounds at come from. I don't even know where so, yeah, it's almost like some lifetimes of thousand days to the point where you know, you hear somebody doing something straight ahead. It almost feels cliche and cute. Like, oh, listen to this retro funk man doing funk. You know, but not really putting anything else into the mix. Sometimes that works, but sometimes it's boring and. You know, I, I always have to have a Little Rock and their, you know, a little bit guitar a little bit of bad boy. You know. Not the puppy right. Not the variety. And I think today that you I know I listened to a lot more music new music now than I did like probably ten years ago or even twenty. Certainly probably like I don't know in that nineties period, outside of the rap record where you're talking about before the interview, I wasn't really listening to any new stuff until ninety three until the big wave of you know nirvana and and Alison chains. I mean Mazzy star and all that stuff I was, I was killing that. I still am. That's probably my most romantic rock period during my lifetime. You know, outside of living listening to things that existed before my time. And what's your lead off? Single if you thinking about radio play them, what from this album is the one if you trying to pitch this to be the message, you know, right. That'd be it. And you'd think that would be enough to get it, but they were probably like, oh, it doesn't sound American. Right, right. I bet you that was said, one hundred percent right. American eclectic, I think for the time. Yeah, it's like, well, the reggae stations aren't gonna play it because it doesn't sound rig enough, and it's not American to play in a funk station, you know, with James Brown and it does a little jazzy and it's a little too, you know? Yeah. And it's not going to the jazz station gonna fly. So yeah, it was like the first time you hear like a hybrid of music John, and they didn't fit in any box and a lo and behold, Hello, that's the chemists loves the most. Well, go and listen to die cut, and you'll find out what happens when guy really likes Monday. Have you time feature thinking? Well, I mean, I just I, I still don't think it's boring to be pegged into a box and just be like, that's what it is, and that's what it always be. You know, back then I made a choice when I probably because of this Monday album that I said, that's not gonna ever be me because it's not that and I'm responding to that. So you know, that's why I got down with groups like ozone, Molly, because you know, is it a funk band? Is it a Latin ban is at a rap is it's none of those. It's all of them, you know, and cement, Samantha was a big part of, you know, will dog and is kind of like connecting and they're really days with DoCoMo's month. Yeah, I'd be like, dude, you got it. We'd be in my my Honda in the front seat. He had his base in the car, and we'd be listening to the tapes the Samantha tapes, and it'd be like, do learn this baseline, a bird lack booed. No, didn't do this guy. I do too. Two, two. The baselines in Manny, like y'all are killing it. Did you got the best baselines out of everybody? That's what made their something music so dope. They were, you know, it wasn't there as a reinforcement. It was just so melodic and the chord progressions they would do with base was unlike anything I've ever heard and. All the sounds like dude you, your base players should be a castle, and I, it is. Yeah, that's either Steve or Patrick, I think I think Patrick might be the bass player anyway. Yeah, big up to the base. Anything jump out a to differently in listening to the Magan prep for this? What do you think you might have missed the first time? He listened to the new in noting any new insight. Something I went through that record and I, you know, I interviewed them two years ago and I did. I, you know, did what you're talking about, said, man, I got to listen to other stuff and just to make sure. You know, I know what I'm talking about and I thought I was going to outgrow the record or not feel the same way I did when I first heard it or you know, in in that romantic period, certainly in ninety ninety one. And that wasn't the case. I loved it just as much and it it just in. I could listen to it without like that in the stall GIC filter. I'm like, oh, I'm back in nineteen Ninety-one in my, you know, parents place. No, this was like I'm in twenty sixteen at my own crib. And you know, listen to this music with that filter and she's still good. Do you think that this album is was ran on time head of its time out of its time, timeless timeless, aptitudes, timeless. I think that there elements of that album that people still don't understand. And probably never will it where it's one of those things where I don't think it's meant to be understood by a bunch of people at once. It's for the individual to discover and connect with, and I think that's what makes it timeless. And so we asked this of all of our guests. If you can describe this album in three words, what would they be due to do to do that baseline camman a winner. Got that of that answers your question, but it just into my brain was great to hear using though. Yeah. But I mean, if you think about that song, it's like you're thinking of the keyboards. But it's that they signed do do to do so far gate. It's going up in a while. The other instruments are coming down. It's like a crescendo and Anna dechristened at the same time anyway. Sorry, I went off on a tangent. Sorry. What was your question. Describe this album in three words. Oh, that's cruel, torture. So does it have to be like three? Okay, spiritual transcendent. Impressionistic. Oh. Good. Yeah, because you know, because of that cover, it feels like kind of like a painting, like a little bit of. I can't remember as Ramona who's impressionist. I think it was Mona. You made a point earlier about, you know, black folks in London, sort of these dyes. Pork sounds in reminds me a lot of a group called bugs in the attic which is from Westland, and and their keyboard players guy named cottie Tatum and he had an album called agent k, feed the cat. There's a solemn their arms day, which sounds like it could have been bonus track on this album. It's you don't know what it is a little bit spiritual jazz. A lot of those guys from Jamaica. I think I find that a lot of artists, especially some of those future soul artists from London, bring this sort of sound. They bring these influences west Africa. They bring Jamaican influences altogether. That's just their leanings, whether it be the drum patterns or the chanting how they're singing. So if if you're listening to this and get a chance to check up that song arms day, I think you'll find out l. of a bit of a million similarity to this to this album. If they slowed it down a little bit, then have that. It would sound like a belonged on this album, but to your point Oliver, there's a lot of that going. Absolutely. That'll do it for this episode of heat rocks with our special guests cut chemist. His new album is called die. Cut the first in what a lead, ten eleven years. Yeah, cut. Where can people find you? Let's see. I'm always online, checking my DM's person so you can hit me up on the old dot com. Slash Twitter, Facebook, the the Instagram, and then I'm going to be on tour continuing tour. Thank you so much of really, really delightful conversation. Thank you for having me. I love. Yes. You've been listening to heat rocks with me, Oliver, weighing and Morgan roads. Our theme music is crowned ones by fest. 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Ep. 212: Christian! At last!

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Ep. 212: Christian! At last!

"The. Park. Is. Not. Perfect wrestling. His Dad. Gone. Off. Aw. PODCAST. You're. Welcome to tights and fights. The show that discusses wrestling with US sincerity and hilarity that it deserves. I'm captain. Hal. Rozema. How Lublin I'm joined today by my fellow member of the Nation of conversation, the Kelkar switch Lindsey CALC. That's me the switch switch me on it. I'm a CALC joke everywhere. Walk I am the Calicut woke I was about to make the exact same low hanging fruit joke that. I. Just picked it up off the ground this week. Our entire episode devoted to One special corner of the world that deserves extra attention now forever. Always, this is our main event. There it is. Can't believe he didn't say then now forever. Whatever? Then now Bernau. Now laters. Alligators. Blackout the haters couldn't tell from our nicknames this week, we're talking all about the career of WWe's Christian. So after next week. Either I stay here on raw. Or smackdown, we'll be getting an injection of the three CS. Jared. Colin what you want the most slept on superstar of all time the most underrated superstar of all time a long overdue hall of Famer. He's one of the longest lasting getting credibly underrated parts of that company. He's a tag star multiple time icy. European C. W in world champion in both wwe. There's Nary, a title he has not held or did not hold at some point. We're going to get into that in just a minute, but obviously getting to meet him. Two years ago. And moderate. Acuna for it was a huge highlight for me. I had shared a car with him from from an Alabama airport because all the travel was wonky that year and we got the hang out a little bit. He was as Nice as you could possibly want him to be was a great QNA, subject and just an all around. All around Nice Guy The guy that where you meet him and hang out a little bit. You're like Oh, we're we could be friends very easily. We could because he just seems to get along with everybody that aside his work in the I've always been a fan of his in the ring I liked him more than edge in edging Christian and I'm a huge edge fan that is not a slight on edge. That's just how much I enjoy Christian from a promo standpoint from an ring standpoint. There's really nothing he couldn't do and didn't deliver on solidly whatever you asked of him and I don't know that you can give any higher praise than that. Lindsey what are you? What are your was your overall? Christian. Temperature. Let me take your Christopher. please. Temperature I had. Three. Ninety. Seven point three. I also got the higher price. No. I Love I really love Christie and like. This is the thing I. I don't think about Christina's March, which I think is a is a crime like he's not front of mind because. He isn't pushed front of mind or he doesn't push himself from a mind. I. Don't know because Yeah I think about edge all the time but I also see edge all the time we talk about edge all the time as a culture as a fandom. And I i. feel bad for him in the he should be at least in the exact same level of us held in the same level of esteem. But I think maybe he is. It's just quieter. My friend posted something very thoughtful on instagram yesterday, which made me a little bit in my mouth but now I'm thinking about. It. Maybe it's the same that it was just like love is quieter than gunshot. Love is everywhere. So like maybe that's applicable here that it's like we all love Christian even if it is a quiet Olov, I'm if that's true or if it is just instagram bullshit but I do love him I really love and when I came back to wrestling in the late two thousands, he was one of the first of performers the I was really interested in I really loved his WWe Ron at that time I was a big fan of Christian for the PEEPS. I was even a big fan of one more match like I. Just find him very compelling, very strangely enough charismatic like I just really enjoy watching him whatever he's doing I enjoy his podcast enjoyed his podcast I enjoyed his cat ownership. I enjoyed edging Christian show that totally reeks of awesomeness. And I enjoyed every time. He makes reference to the fact that he's kind of a Dick and everyone agrees with him and he just is fine with it like I love that. So much I just think he must be like a good dude and on top of that an excellent performances. Yes. Growing up in Canada I believe outside of Toronto as a one of the His junior high and high school best friend Adam Copeland would become for wrestler I. He wasn't far behind and they came up tagging together working together doing loops together all over. North America. Guys look like they're about fifty or sixty years old. What's going on here? The suicide blondes are in prime time baby. We're here to make a point. We're not here to go home with Louis End of the paycheck you know what I'm saying. And eventually Christian was brought in to wwe with edge as tag team and became along with Gang Grell who is the sweetest human being on the face of this earth? Everybody has a bad thing to say about gang growl talk to me, i. i. got some for you. But the three of them formed the Brood talked about the scrutiny discussed edge back in episode one, Eighty five for those of you who are not we got the. Tights and fights archivists say I forget which podcasts and doing at any given time. I do remember a little bit of Christian in the Brood, but I really came in to him more Christian. Do you have a lot of brood watching experience Lindsey? Town of food what experience obviously when I went back and got into a the chunks of time that I had missed. It was something that I was drawn to because I am a girl and goals vampires. was interested in some sort of rave vampires of weirdness. trip. Around. The Ministry of. Off. I am GonNa go out on a limb and say this from a lady perspective the long hair on Christian did nothing for me I know that doesn't necessarily reflect on his talent and his abilities but the long head Christian does nothing for me short head Christie and I think looks very dapper. So I was less interested in Bruce Christian than perhaps I could have been. I'm glad you said that because I always wondered if it was just like, Oh, I, grew up watching short haired Christians maybe it just naturally looks weird. Looks Weird I it has suit. Some people in longer doesn't sue other people and let's be real most restless tulip ridiculous with very lug silly hair and I'm pleased that the trend is moving away from that feel like the bonds that can pull it off are so far and few between like Adam Cole Looks Great With his that it's entirely appropriate to his character and he looks great maybe Roman although I feel like Roman would look great with show also but Romans just a romance novel come to life. So whatever. But yeah, Christian Fisher short haired Guy But Yeah I didn't watch the Brood contemporaneously but I did go back and check it out and Two dozen like a vampire for me. I love when the company stuff starts not as the comedy but when edge and Christian become and Christian and are allowed to be edge Christian they were vicious dudes blake remember the even beyond the of the concerto thing was something that they created. Obviously would never happen today they can't ever do something ever again. But at the time, it was a deadly attack prior and prior to that they really the really came up with the hardy boys doing the Terri Invitational Tournament which we also discussed here. But that was a coming out party for Christian as well. Then they turned heel wreck before wrestlemainia two thousand and they win the belts and go from from bitter bitter egotistical challengers champions who become a comedy act that we get the five sec imposes and We talked a lot about just part in that by Christian is Edgy is is a very good actor and he's gotten better and better with time as he works more and more Christian. I think naturally has even more of that charisma as edges a again it's hard to if feels weird to compare them they are two different people and one is not better than the other yet they will always be compared to one another because that is that is how they came in and for Christian specifically every people. There is a perception that he lived in edges shadow for a long time. And that is that is fair only because the company was pushing edge very hard. That being said Christian is so good at comedy stuff. He is natural comedic timing. He's he's a very natural delivery to his promos as well. Just such a gifted talker that the comedy always came very naturally to him even when they wore the ridiculous sunglasses and hats. For. Some reason cook it always struck me even funnier that Christian was doing because for somehow sometimes. To me as much as he was doing, it felt a little bit like the captain of the football team is doing a sketch for tally show as opposed to this guy who's just naturally the class clown Christian feels like more of a class clown. So the comedy stuff I thought fit. Really really well. Organised. Streamers Oh streamers rule. The. Street. Hey listen to this I'm going to play our music. ME. Out. I didn't play your music too. Any Time I've seen him act I know that's limited numbers. But like when he was in haven with edge which was the sci Fi show I thought he was great. He had a multiple episode arc I thought he did great at that. Seifi viewers are watching a fantasy show on gonNA stick around for an edging prestige pop for six episodes. You know like he did really good. He was really good. I checked some of his credits before. Did Homework would you believe it like he's been in other stuff and I would love to see him act more like I would really like to see him doing more acting because I do think he is extremely naturally gifted at that performing. Just seems quite effortless to him. That's the gift I think a lot of times when we see restless, act we see restless act like you see the acting because that's how they have to perform in the ring like it all has to be telegraph so loudly. All has to be very clear and concise and. Christine feels very natural I. Don't feel like I'm watching him try to perform I just feel like he's doing his thing whether that's a promo or. Acting in a role, even the podcast like it just always felt so natural. That's why I love that podcast so much because it did feel like a natural conversation between friends no matter who they had on what conversation they were having it just felt so comfortable and easy. As that is a real skill. It's a talent that people take for granted and it's not a given. One hundred percent. So we got to see a little bit of that when they worked to spin edge off in their solo star than break them up in two thousand one after the invasion angle. We got Christian as the he'll the two of them feuding over the I. See title led to a ladder match edge comes out victorious but. Music has that at last year on your own the idea that he's stepping out of the shadow and that worked for a little while. But he kind of bounced around with Gimmicks for a bit. He went from there to the the UNAMERICAN with Lance storm and test at along the way he wins European and hardcore titles, and he also has a great. A great run with Chris Jericho as a tag team which included they're. Not My Fair Lady taming of a shrew. Thing with trash. His attrition leader, those Trish Somebody I mean taming of the sue a different. Was Trish because yeah didn't it like culminate in that Wrestlemania match where like Trish with the went with Christian or something like that. But it will my favorite bit with them together was the one where they it was them in the Dudley boys and I think that like the whole it was originally supposed to be Booker T. and gold dust who likes stole their towels while they were in while they were showering and then made them come out to your. House. Death that towels At the. which fun Vince absolutely wanted them to the naked underneath underneath the towels but they Chris Jericho, beat them down and said, no, let's just wear flesh colored panties and then we'll just you know you can digitize units while we're on. TV. So yeah, that was. Making me do is ask questions about the unit that Chris Jericho wanted digitize know that. To, do Chris that's GonNa. Stop. Room is. I feel like you could and that's all I'm going to say about that. But I feel like with minimum effort on one buckle you could. So. I kept at it as a single star. Mainly, known for delivering solid promos and matches. Again, we talked about this over over he delivers whatever he's given. He does the best he can with it, but you never quite get to go into that world title in WWe which led to one of the more surprising parts of his career in two thousand five when he left wwe to go to TNA as Christian cage. At the time TNA was a fledgling promotion I think they'd already had Ron killings as a champion Aka are true and I think Samoa Joe was really doing a great work there. Aj, styles into his own I think Kurt Angle was maybe a little less than a year before he made his debut there's it was actually there was tangible excitement about ten at the time. Management labeled this the biggest jump in our three plus year history. On his way to the impacts out. Prescott. They were the new upstart Christian shows up and wins. The world title is First World Title. I did not watch this time. I was happy to see him win a world title, but I was watching wwe. So I just I never really made the switch to T. Times. Tried it back then I've tried it since I've watched matches they know that there are people who love impact to which I say I am happy for you and I'm glad that that's something that you enjoy but I did not catch this part of his Ron. Did you were you an early watcher Lindsey to the best of my knowledge? It was not on in the UK at that time? Shaq'll would have been on Like who the fuck it would have been in two, thousand and five. I. Did not have satellite. Okay. Thousand Five I was very pull and working my first job and saying I wonder if I can eat today. So I was not getting cable access dial up internet so those things would no options for me. I've seen bits of it since I was leagues I've Gone Back and looked at the AJ styles of it and the Samoa Joe of it and Yeah I, just improve Christian. So these things you were telling me make very pleased good for him and his belt. I am happy I do remember that time thinking they should have made him a world champion and wwe because he's good enough and and it's just ridiculous. There's a pecking order and there are people that Vince likes and those are the people who become champion and he was always just like well, he's great. He's Christian. We know he give them whatever needs these UTAH. He's the Jose Kendo of roster. We can plug him in any way and he's going to do a great job but. To finally, see him reach those heights. Great. Will he do it again? Let's find out after the break. We're GONNA. Talk more about Christians eventual return to wwe, and if you WANNA keep the conversation going share your favorite Christian memories. Elevated every time I say that it just sounds like a different kind of podcast. Twitter. Disagree. Christi. The links in our shells in our show notes we've got more captain. Charisma. On Tyson. Hi. My name is Graham Clark and I. One half of the PODCAST stop podcasting yourself a show that we've recorded for many many years and at the moment instead of being in person we're recording remotely and you wouldn't even notice you don't even notice the lag. That's right Graham and the great thing about it. Go ahead. No you go ahead. Okay. Go ahead. And you can listen to us every week on maximum fun dot Org or wherever you get your podcasts your podcast. Back, to fights, I'm how loveland and I'm joined today by Lindsey Count after roughly four years in Tena is Christian cage. He finally dropped the last name and return to wwe where he was part of the e C W revival he eventually became champion of the promotion, his first wwe world title. Press. Chen It. Is. WWe. I tried to watch CW and it rebooted they wanted to be into it, but it was clear that that wwe was just doing their own version of it as opposed to keeping the spirit alive and I know that's been documented. Many other places. I'm not I'm not giving you any new information there, but it made it harder to watch but again anytime, Christian, did well as a fan it made me happy for him. Did you into the E C W revival at all windy once again? No. Okay It didn't age well, no I dabbled and it didn't feel like it was me and a someone who is coming back to wrestling at that time was link all thing. This is what I'm. GonNa Spend two Mon- because time is finite and my time is finite time itself not and I did not want to spend my time the but. You know was pleased to see my mom. With the big title that looked like a trash can be grafted onto a leather strap I have a lot about title. So that's different episode A. Lot of title bouts out there. A lot of lot his his stuff and EC W it was pretty clear that Christian was meant to be like because he cw at the time out a lot of younger guys I think like Kofi probably was still there I think's shameless was just starting to do some stuff Jack Swagger had been moved over there and Ezekiel Elliott if anybody remembers him had been moved over there and they were trying to get some things. Right. Meant to be like here's the older guy who knows how to just do about everything really. Well, we're going to put get him there and make him the champion and he's going to elevate everybody else on the role underground of its day. That's right. So Christian finally was able to get over the Hump as world champion. In two thousand eleven his best friend edge was forced into retirement due to his neck injuries and Christian was immediately placed into a story for the vacant World Heavyweight Championship. She finally one now, this is part of a larger story and I remember. One of the things I've ever from the CUNA was talking. I always like to ask wrestlers and I asked them when they're here on the show what the one thing you wish fans understood about the business or that they would give a chance to it was like you have to be patient when they gave the title they took it off people got upset right away and complained and everything, but it was all part of a larger plan. So like they knew, they knew where they were going with that they knew where the one more match coming from, it was not as much as it. felt fly by the seat of its pants and like they were making hard turns left and right that was the direction that they wanted to go the whole time. He loses the belt a week later to Randy Orton and then he keeps asking for one more match over and over and over again, you wins it back it to get summer slam. It's it's the probably the defining singles feud of his career and enough so that it was that it was included in one of the WWe as as a storyline event the one more match. With with. Ordinance Christian. I deserve one more match. To become the world heavyweight champion. So what I'm suggesting is this all those people that. Can feel my cars that you know what I'm saying I want you all to stand up with me right now. Let your voices be heard. One more match. One more. One more. One more match. Max. It's a great evolution of the character. Just initially when he was, he'll and he would throw the temper tantrums to wanting one more match and feeling entitled even bringing edge in to talk with him about it and have him. have him come off as as as like a like a shit he'll I think he did it extremely well, and it's overall a really really fun storyline. That includes him winning the world title, which is something that people have asked for or were. We're asking for I'm sure for a very long time Lindsay how do you feel as a whole about the one more match storyline? Yeah. This was my peak Christian fandom because this is when I was back in wwe proper and going to Maine is and I was living in the US at this point. So it was much easier for me to watch and engage and fully invest. Right, just really loved him I I I totally when he won the belt. I was like Oh this is just pandering because they took it off to they have to give it to Christian and I was like but I'm glad he has it and then when he lost it I was one of those people that was like fuck this noise like he does what this is bullshit, but that's how I was supposed to feel. That's how they wanted you to feel this was clever storytelling. And I was extremely invested in the a Christian rap. Match viewed. This was before I knew about. The need for how many days since around you fucked up board. So I was a big randy fan. Because I didn't know because I wasn't really engaging in sheet. So backstage, I didn't have this is like sad Lindsey place and sappy music Julian I didn't really have any wrestling friends like I didn't have any friends who watched wrestling whenever I went to stuff. I would have to I burned out on that would accompany me to live events very quickly. Like literally everyone I, know has attended a wrestling event with me against their will out of friendship. So I really didn't know much beyond I watched on TV and I was so invested in that storyline and I I just think Christian plays that character. So well, and is a really difficult character to play because you have to be sniveling, you have to be entitled you have to be a bit sneaky. That, you still have to be appealing to the crowd for it to work until you're not and it was very subtle turn where it went from being like, yeah, we love him give him one more match. This isn't fair. He's defending edges on eight. He's defending his own honor. He deserves this. We've wanted this for him for so long until the one day when you were just like. Nobody's enough's enough and that happened so subtly and so cleverly, and he did it so massively and you've also got to be able to back all of that op within ring action or it doesn't work. You've got to be able to back it all up with talent. And I saw him and Randy he and Ronnie both did such a good job with that storyline. I just was so compelled by I found it so watchable. Really really loved it, and that's when I was just like, no I love this guy like I don't want him to go away. I want to see him do more stuff. I'm a peop- I. BELIEVE I had a t shirt I was like very into it do goes nowhere. The peeps thing came from I don't know whether peop- sinking. It was no I promise. It's a good story. It's because the rock. The Rock said that Christian was one of his favorite wrestlers like an entity because the rock was doing a lot of like outside media interviews with people that didn't care about wrestling somebody just asked who one of his favorite wrestlers was and he said Christian and as a little nod to him, he like walks the people's champion on the peace champion. Nice little. Thanks. Thanks to him. So that is delightful. Kasai like when people off wins but yeah, I just I thought it was a fantastic example of long sir long-term storytelling that we are missing these days and just performed. So adeptly by to concert professionals one consummate professional one person who is perfectly capable of being a consummate professional. So I think the board is still good I. Think I think this is still I think the rondos still on how fucked up to the best of minority. So. Yeah I really enjoyed it. It was to me. It was one of the storylines that really brought me back in and got me invested again I agree and unfortunately that's kind of where his story. The story part of his career ends, he would be there for few more years and then concussions concussions and other head injuries would force him to retire. He has appeared on TV from time to time generally with edge to further a story line most recently, he furthered edges story line by peering and taking a punt from Randy Orton. I don't as much as it feels like Christian is a guy with unfinished business. I also think if you look at the entirety of his career. Outside of main eventing Wrestlemainia. That, there's very little. He hasn't done and very little he has to prove and he seems to have enough. Enough to do as as an analyst when if backstage returns and just the ability to sort of get his own work and live the life, he wants he has children now. So hopefully. I. Hope I hope we do not see him in a ring again I don't think that there's any reason for him to come back now. I. Don't need to see him in a ring. I disliked that we did not get a thank you. Kristie moment and I, know not everyone gets the thank you. Christian. Moment not everyone gets the stand in the ring and say I'm leaving. I was sad that we never got that because he wasn't important character to me he wasn't important performer and I think he had a legacy that that would have been deserved. Like I WANNA see his documentary on the network I wanNA, see the Christians Story. I it's a compelling story I think whenever someone has. To an extent spent their career in the shadow of another. It's a compelling story because I want to know the psychology of that and how that feels what's more when that person is your best friend your legit. Genuine best friend like that to me is a very compelling story like that's not easy. That's not easy to live that way when you're competing for your career. And you're always going to be considered second to your best friend whether or not. That is accurate or whatever you know like that is a fact that is a fact as much as I know that he is beloved. By the wrestling community in general. But yeah, I, don't I wouldn't want him back in the ring. Any more than I really wanted to see I mean I didn't really need to see edge back in the ring. Personally. But you know he wanted to do it and he's fine and he seems well apart from our you know injured again So I am not a big fan of people coming back when they've been injured i. Heard that TJ is. Training again and it made me very worried made me very anxious. It gives me a little bit. So I'm happy if he's happy I love him as an analyst I. think he is fantastic role. I think he does it with some level of Gravitas and. Conviction that you don't always get from wrestles because you know those shows are shoot really they are shoot shows that he does deliver it in a way that feels. I'm not shoot shows I. Mean. They caved shows that he delivers it in a way that feels shoot. Look at me a mulling go. This is why win all out to use it because get it wrong. But he feels like he's telling the truth when I see him on backstage and he's talking about the record and the how this is gone and other people's grids like, oh, he feels like a genuine analysts that is speaking truthfully to a sportsperson a not just like talking from a script or talking about fake made up thing that happened I find him very compelling in that in that arena as much as I find him compelling in the ring, I don't even know if I want to see him in an in ring capacity. The isn't wrestling like I just really love him in this backstage role. As an analyst role, maybe he would be a great commentator 'cause he talked. So well, if he was interested in doing that, I would love to see I would love to see him try I think he's such a natural eloquent. Talk that. That could be really interesting. But mostly I, just really like him and I want him to be happy with as many cats in children. And I wish the podcast would come back. I've heard there other wrestling podcasts and I think if there was going to be another wrestling podcast, he should have won 'cause it was very fun to listen to I. Don't know if I need the edging Christine show that totally reeks of Awesomeness to come back that was a gift. It's been tied up with a bow. I I don't know if I need more of that gives comment and if you saw great and if not. Exactly around next lifetime and it comes around good for you. For I don't know if I need more of it than I did enjoy it. I did watch it. Because again, two guys are just so eminently watchable like I just enjoyed the things that they do. My my biggest wishes that he gets the recognition he deserves I really want to see him go into the hall of fame. I. Really Want that for him. And I just really want him to be doing things that make him feel fulfilled. 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 Ep. 144: An Encyclopedia of Women's Wrestling w/ LaToya Ferguson

Tights and Fights

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Ep. 144: An Encyclopedia of Women's Wrestling w/ LaToya Ferguson

"Combines and. Pau. Perfect wrestling. Dad. This is. Dies. Guys over here. What's up? Guest there. What's up doc about wrestling? What's up? Back to type and this show that discusses wrestling with the security, and Larry that it deserves. I'm funny and the Bank Daniel Radford, and I'm joined today by my fellow members of the nation of conversation. Lindsey hold on the Lindsay ring. Vindamme calc tried. I liked it. I'm not sure how you would go about ridding calc. I recommend it if it's on the phone because we don't answer Kellogg's. Don't answer the phone. We have our special guest. It's writer and commentator. Latorre. Oh, god. Hold on. It's not good. And our special guest writer commentator in the Toyota good. Welcome back to. What was that? No. It was. You could just be Goldberg if that's better good for. So we're super excited because the Toya has a new book out steering it right now. It is fucking or just be tell us all about it. We wanna hear everything, okay, literally, everything I went to publish it. Literally, everything. Well, it is an encyclopedia of women's wrestling is the title, it is one hundred profiles of professional wrestlers female from all around the world. And it took me forever to narrow down to one hundred because there are a lot of women's wrestlers in the world. That's fantastic. So why did you decide that you specifically wanted to work on an encyclopedia of women's wrestling, because someone wanted me to make that money yet? So the power social media, it was around mid twenty sixteen. When someone was asking for a friend, basically, if they knew anyone who would be good enough to write a book on women's wrestling, like someone you knew. And a bunch of my friends, suggested me I'm like, okay. And then that editor from certain publishing, actually got in touch with me talk to me about it said, you know, sending them any proposal, what the book would be like. So that was like July twenty sixteen. I sent him my proposal December twenty sixteen and then finally got the green light round, July twenty seventeen actually was great because so pros awaiting for months, this editor, she Guston. She was like, I think this book needs to exist. I want you to write this she kept pushing for it. She she she can make it happen. One of those things where even if sterling didn't pick it up. She was going to suggest other places. I could pitch it because she wanted this book to happen. I mean any field you need that champion and someone that believes in it. But the publishing four Shaw, that's amazing. That's so good. So if someone buys this, and you all should seriously, it is, so beautiful view. It's, it's like, heavy, the pages are nice. It's pay people, Cody definitely, motive, someone with it. It's just heavy and really binge willing on that part. I just think if you're going to have a hard cover book, it should be heavy enough. If you smack an intruder in the temple it will take them down. If glor- procedural that would be one of the episode openings, they someone is murdered his SP, USO Antunes, the bedside light on someone that, and then you see a shadow, and she picks up off the night, sound thoughts them. But also come up. Value would come up as just an ad for the book. Vija rooms wrestling now available so other than murder which you can do with this book on your own time, though. That's not go folks. That's not good for you. Do that. Disclaimer, if you order someone with this book, it's not her fault that do let me know because I'm curious like going to the police do not make me. Serie. Cesary. This was your idea. Get the chance for this carry on. You can injection. Injections and not the Jay lethal Kearns. No. Well I mean I might be out for that. Call me don't call me to answer anyway. No. He can get it. Any wrestler can get it with very few exceptions met, even cat, if we're talking about Jay lethal. We had to go the opposite way, which is Matt even. Sorry about sorry, about David. You're very talented. So when someone buys this book, what sort of information are they going to be able to get from it? You're gonna get a love information. You never even knew you wanted. We're gonna get besides the obviously profiles and everything gonna get notable matches from these wrestlers some nicknames, alternate names, you know, the ridiculous names. They had when they first started out on the Indies before anyone knew they were like Gail, Kim, as laugh Alina like she was like the cat mask Rex. I'm I'm pretty into that. But I I understand his available now I will take it. Well, it's yours. I, I feel like I'd have to ask, because that's the respectful thing it is championships. They've won and compliments like that. Yeah, I'll Leylands in there and I love it. So every time you flip it's a new person that you've used to love maybe now a yoga teacher. It's pretty great. And so what is the response to this that you've seen so far from like fans and non fans it's been positive so far on both ends? And I'm just terrified for the day. I get my first negative review, I'm gonna cry all day. So please five star reviews only only nice thing only have anything nice to say this replace, too old, but reviews you choose to leave. Just keep Akia self disappointed from Mississippi yet. Maybe don't maybe don't point out Typos in someone's Instagram. Maybe you don't have to do that. Maybe it's okay if we just let that go on any and this wonderful, but no, there aren't any in this book, but I have heard that. So. It was trying to say like definitely like Jim because I write very late to my deadline. Unlike some professional officer, this Roope who right to the oh, I do not. What that feels like I you ladies, I was pulling I got no sleep, and also because even note this in the book because wrestling moves. So fucking I had to make the cut off August eighteen for these profiles, which means stopped just short of Becky becoming the man insane books out now. Sorry about that. Not being part of it. Just yeah. I had to. My book coming out soon plug plug. She is a reference to the characters goes to milk bar, New York and has cracked pie. And the day after it went to the print up. We're not doing crack piney more because it's insensitive to people who have been addicted to crack. The one thing that you've out my book before it's even come out. It's like somebody caught e crack pipe. It was just very frustrating. But it happens all the time. And also factual, you want gonna happen. But who cares it's an amazing document. Yeah, I'm very excited about it. And also for Lindsey it turns out that, you know, longer actually hurt Hawaii. And so that was a challenge lately. Okay. I found it acceptable. I found the Hawaii acceptable is the new gonna stick over that, that should be all the books now. Everything is just fine. All right. So now we're going to get back into the, you know, we covered the in wrestling, and it's a big week, we had money in the banks. So now we have our new MS money in the Bank. Chicken. Thank god. They did the right thing. So happy, I was so happy. I was elated because I was not expecting Bailey to win anything ever again. And they meant they reset her Hoppy. They did it. They managed to like, make the crowd Ceva. Everyone heard they so quickly and they did it so smartly, and they so well and was just I don't know if it was Joyce, about just relief joy on relief. That's why it was so. WB relief equals joy, honestly. Oh, true. It's not terrible. This is acceptable. It was I was so happy. I genuinely like leaped out of my show. I was so happy. I was super psyched about it. And so we also had Nikki subbing in for Alexa. I loved that what did you guys thinking what'd you think about the rest of the match? I like Nikki serving in. But I feel like she didn't do as much as I wanted, and I'm still curious about what's, what's happening with McGinlay. Well she doesn't green anymore now. She's lonely, and they stay like rushed ahead. It's a brush ahead survey. Cafod it, send her out. This. Who? Sixteen we would've seen the makeover for our toll. I mean, honestly, I think I would rather have seen I would have with me really wishes. I'd seen Alexa be like, oh, let me I wanna go. I wanna see her get pitch going shopping like to see that it doesn't work with Becky, but it was with Alexa, it wouldn't make me cranky. Yeah, it wouldn't may not. Oh, because it's in character. I. Yeah, I'm very frustrated with the Nikki of everything at the moment because I she's not connecting and it's not have fault. I think it's because they are changing her, and they don't really, they don't know how on, I feel like someone someone being seventy something year old don't careful such very talented individual whose character was very defined. An excellent. Like let's not do that. But still do it, but not like that. And I feel like it's been that kind of direction. So she's really show what she's doing. Yeah, it feels like it's one of those things like I bet you're pretty underneath all that. Let's see your smile. Yeah. Like it you'd be pretty if only at smile. Like. Yes, it's confusing. But I loved I did love the match. I loved the match. I loved NICKY. I love. Happy valley. It's hard for me to be objective. I will say one thing for the we were talking before recording about the Sonia man, which I do love image literally caring Mandy. But at the same time you could have climbed up and given the briefcase Mandy. Yeah, there's precedent for this. You didn't have to. I like that way that she was like, I'm not going to ELS with this. She's going to pick it up whether own hands, but I will get her. But I just love division of is like, oh, she's strong. She's so strung. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. I love anytime that we can show off, how strong any of the women is thing. And so later, we had Becky Lynch, not just one but two title matches back to back which brutal. So she retained her title over Lacey Evans, but lost her smackdown titled to Charlotte after interference from lacy who what do we think about that? I mean, you know, I wanted to jump chump chump forever. And a day they were telling chimpanzee to yes. Oh, she jumped shefty champ. That's what I give it a twenty four seven built give give all the belts. Of course. Of course. Yeah. Howard's amazing a gold. So I liked it. I, I, I liked to the lacy match as much as I'm gonna like Alesi match, you know, like I don't have money things stupid. I hate her covers shook. I'm sorry. That's. That's why it's not allowed like how dare you have them. Go back to cooking unseasoned chicken. The money guns for who knows what to do with them. You know, I will say I actually saw something that I liked Lacey. There is a gift that's going around right now where she's outside and a fan wants to give her hand or slap her hand. She takes out a sanitary wipe and puts it in between their hands. And I'm like, okay, that's really good provided. It's not like true vita to see. And I don't know we don't know. But it is close wins. Asked what makes sense that? Yeah. Hopefully it's an excellent carrot to note. Yeah, I really enjoyed it. I just I was I was said that she's championship. But I thought the way it was done made everyone look strong. It kept everyone. Yes. Looking very Charlotte looking strong. It kept Becky looking strong. It made lacy look like more relevant because if she just lost and disappear. She stayed relevant by involving himself Bailey amazing. Remind everyone that big flaws that she can't help herself. She could have just left if he's like, Nope. I gotta do more damage him. Yeah. There you go. And. And soon seventeen titles that she could go. Slow down though. She's only gonna win like four times next year. Yeah. And as we said, obviously, so Lacey in Charlotte beat a Becky until MS money in the Bank came in. Everything is so good. And so right with the world. Everything feels good, just like chills up my spine, just like things feel great. So what do we think of hashtag, Bailey blue belt? Yes, we support this. As a port is. I'm so happy, I've just happy. It was even more of an awesome moment than the main much to me that they had when she wanted, when she retained me because I was like this is so Bessul and you could just 'cause now she's overcome so much to get back to this point. We've talked about this a lot, how the crowd has not been probaly. No. I mean, rarely probaly often boob Ailey which I never knew someone they have no reason. I mean because I mean that's. This character so much, basically, writing wise. So when she says, do something no difference. I could understand try doing. I don't care for. But I like the fact that they managed to rehab character so swiftly effectively when she went into the crowd, and everyone was going crazy. Like, oh, that's my lady. Don't see that. She is the right. Is you sell some shirts? Yeah. So I really hope they give a really strong run. It doesn't even be super long, but it needs to be strong. Yeah. At least got guys, at least at least gives till summer slam like only go to least, please I can't trust that. They will. No, but I won't can day I guess is gonna depend on what Charlotte wants to work, the fairly Charlotte calls all the shots nowadays. And dry, look Android getting a push people thinking, that's because of Charlotte. She she is a magic woman. So this is the third same night cash in four years. Do we feel like it's being over done? I still feel like I get surprised when it happens. But that's the fun thing about money in the Bank for me is that I don't know. Yeah, I'm fine with it, but I feel like the need to work better on the longer holders because it's not been great. Those are. No, I missed the sundial Cody briefcase begins of, of you'll I did. I did love a long run. I do love alone when you can pull it into different storylines and make it relevant for a long time. I'm not mad about this. I would have been not about it, but it was done so, well, it was so perfectly executed the I am fine with it. Yeah, I, I agree. I think that the next time they do a big run. They need to. I liked the Seth run. That wasn't like. But that was obviously fantastic and done. Really? Well, but yet lately, you get the briefcase, and then you just kinda give it to Barron. Corbin. Fina allowed that ladder match like you're just gonna lose it again, if you win he got less on the way to applebees so becky's yet lost when he got. The maybe accidentally locked bathroom. That's all I'm saying. Lindsay is on her violent day. One up Jesus. Right. So Becky says she still wants her smackdown tidal back. She still has to deal with Lacey is raw champion. Where do you think the story goes from here? I, I mean, if they can make lacy interesting all the stuff I am so tired of the, the, you call yourself, the man, because you don't want to be a woman thin. Now, they're hopefully, they will go the right direction which team, the Queen or lady their story. Anyway, such a better story, especially when the Queen Steph lady in the back of the I'm gonna take your shot. Wants friend, especially since I mean, I did think benefited from that moment with Shala it was funny to his rain together. It was like I see what you've done the vents, because every vets loves the lady, he loves it. I. Yeah, I it was really funny. When shell it was literally having say, like no cold like physically directors to, to Becky, but it worked because we know Shala is that person. So it did work. I felt like so I'm in for more of that I guess I'm fine with watching another match between becky's lazy. I'd rather know control bringing her candlestick as a sword to the ring. Oh my fucking God. Soared get her people get currently in the sword. So get the sword. Yeah. Hashtag get shaulis owed sword, but game of thrones ended. There's a, there's a bunch of replica or much that all on super sale this week, so Lear. All right. This isn't a game of thrones show, but it should be. If you've got any thoughts on everything we've discussed so far. Please. Let us know about them at Facebook dot com slash groups slash tights fights, and tights bites on Twitter and Instagram. When we come back even more money in the Bank of next tights face. Welcome back fireside chat on KM eight. Knicks with me in studio to take your calls is the dope on the west coast over Wong and Morgan roads though ahead color. Hey, I'm looking for music podcasts, and fife oh, and thought home for like most helped me. Discover Arden out that have never heard of in essence. Listen the heat rocks every week myself. And I'm Morgan road than my co-host here, Oliver won't talk to influential guests about a canonical album that has changed their lives just like movie open Mike eagle tuck about albums by prince Joni Mitchell, and so much more special call. Again he ranks deep dives into hot records every Thursday on that one fund. Ties. Back to tights, and fights. I'm Danielle Radford numbering today by Lindsey L and Ferguson. Okay. So before we talk about the new Mr. money in the Bank. What did y'all think about the match itself? Laughed at yeah, it was great. Yeah. Yeah. In oh. Oh, that's just gonna say that anytime was like, why are they murdering fin plus we baby boy who tried so long. And now it's like we're just going to kill him because LOL Jesus. Yeah, we'll get killing polls. You're just because it's just because it's fun because it's fin. Yeah, he's pretty. So let's special up about just mad because he keeps pointing dick out. Yeah. I mean. Yeah. Joking. No. That's legitimate. So. Yeah. And it's you know what to great money in the Bank matches and one card. Look at it. I know little directly to directly into it like the sun in your mind. You so good. I loved it. Never gonna get like up to know. No, you know what? You're right. We're going to keep it up to mystic today. You don't have to agree to that. We haven't got two hours tonight Dowd yet. So. Tokyo money in the Bank. Are. So after the chaos and all of the fin beating so who would be entered in the main event other than this, dude. Yeah. Then the Athen. Minutes. There were saying not true. Listen to that food. If anyone can do that. Why don't they just do that? You can just all your get the briefcase the contract, just walk into the match. I really want it to be Sasha, Sasha, taste events briefcase say it's my now. No. Nope. We got I'm not fella. So he's back. Yeah. I mean at least they actually showed up for what three days in a row. We saw him when he got the belt, so and I do I mean I feel. Is he ever really gone? Really? He's like HP. Yeah. You got it. And then don't got it for a minute. And then you got it again. Got it back. Sorry, Laurie turns. No. They've just found that base level. Right. I mean, I not mad about is I thought I would be because one day came out like is mad Boone's. Plus I watch it after gave a throne. So I was fully prime booth is ending. But now I've had time to think about it like you know what, whatever like you know Steve smackdown though right now. Yeah I'm not mad. It's like it. This might be my favorite way to have Brooke. He is a legitimate threat. He's not resting on his laurels because he hasn't gotten any laurels. He only has his something that makes him more of a threat, feels as cashing hilarious. Yeah. Hopefully, it will be my both like double enjoy suggested that he catches on in such kicks him in the dick, and it's a Q and then go, and that's it. So although that'd be some wild card rule, where if you speak, you, you get another Joe. Hitting the dick, you could do it every time if brought to cash someone just kick him in the dick. Let's see what happens, but I just don't like, just kicking broken the dick daily. I should be saying. And didn't realize it's after all eighteen of their matches but death realize very quickly. He doesn't dick. He doesn't as dick. Yeah maybe he'll start wearing a Cup. Now. Boy, maybe cagey never did during that. Nakimora. I'm just gonna say, I don't know a whole lot of feeling down the. He's a large month for his age. Maybe I don't know. It's a weld. Doc to show dick. So we all know. Take I was able to flick it and see. I. Well, again, talked to sable I'm Jan she can be chat with them. So we'll also talk about the two may wind up being his opponent again. We've got Seth. Dick kicker. Rollins and Kofi Kingston, what did everybody think about sesame against formerly kicked in the dick AJ? I thought it was great. And I'm glad that the need to keep him the dictum. Pleased place. Yeah. I thought it was a great violent lustrous. It was one where I was like, I know it's going to be good. So it's weird. But sometimes you don't go in a psyched because I'm like, yeah, I wasn't excited about it. I was just like it's going to be. Yeah. And it was it was a great match. I really enjoyed it wasn't like again. And it feels unfair to say they're both such great performers that them being good, isn't it isn't? It's not as lading is someone for granted. We take it for granted. And that's our fault and one day we're going to lose them to somewhat not debt. Six hundred. Not I miss that dick just going to retire h is old. Mean he was gonna die. Many go back. When we've got like so many money in the it's such a showcase of craziness and elaborate stunts and stuff. When you just have a great match yet does feel like oh, okay. It's like meat and potatoes match. Whereas everything else is rainbow sparkles, Sunday. Glitter. Okay. No. This is good. This is okay. Yeah. I'm glad that and I'm glad that it happened. Oh, and then we had Kofi retain his title against Kevin. Oh and. Also, another great match getting so frustrated, and of with the crowd was great. Yeah. Anytime I can get Kevin yelling at the crowd about anything. It's like my chanting. Maybe it's me, I think, in my opinion he is one of the most successful heels who can both be petulant child? But you can also take a serious threat at the same time because very often as soon as you turn heel. All of a sudden you're coward and your child, and it's hard for us to remember that. You're still a threat, but with Kevin it's like built in he content on the intensity in a hobby. Yeah. He can just go from being you'll laughing at him to be like, oh yeah. He's like one dangerous best at it. So I always want to give it up for one of my favorite moments ever when they were all the stream is in the ring and the NFC match do is clean. He puts Kofi in the walls of Jericho one point. So I guess haricot and coming our best friends again, that was pretty great, great great great pretty when also beast in the east when wasn't that him when he took all the flowers and stuff out says. And so does respectful. Biggie is back on smackdown, which is exciting, but he can't wrestle right? Apparently, so he's able to move. I think they just wanted to Twitter. Find a way they found out that his DM's open all through role us, and they will get him back on the show. Oh, it got Mike. He was he was talking to everybody. I got a tweet from him at one but not not a dirty tweet. Just like I made a joke about the new Barrett's voice and final fantasy seven and how it's a little like ooh just like really like what the seventies thought black dude sounded like look, we should not. We should. Ooh. Boy, we'll talk about youth. Where was on prime up there. I have a friend, that's in that. And I gotta talk. Oh, wow. I do I have a friend, that's in, then he's very, very sweet person. And so, I believe that if he's in it, it can't be as bad, but I will never see it. But yes. So what was my train of thought before? Suddenly, I thought of. Wasn't the end, it was just a tweet and so- biggie? I said they should've just use biggie. And he tweeted me back like I'm around or something like that. He was definitely was around. He was tweeting area body, mostly becky's mum. Beck has got it going on. Oh, and then look Duff Sigler. He's back. I support this because Sigler Kofi one of my favorite like just feuds over the years. Yes because they had a million matches. They were always, awesome Kofi one, like nine hundred ninety nine thousand of them, and they would always joke about, like, yeah, we've wrestled, so many fucking times, Koby always beats me. It's always great. They do have great chemistry. But that is one of the reasons why I'm like, but also a different Ziglar who always winds up reverting back to fifteen. I'm pros. Don't sigler. We'll see how long it lasts. Take you hoodies. But you leave showman they give them like a new thing. And then it's gone that he's scratching claw. Yeah. I mean, this potential you says they've used in years and years of history and frustration. I just the problem with gonna have to be so good with it because we've seen this frustrated grumpy Ziglar time and time again, every time he comes back look sick. Being overlooked them fuck. Call. Every time store that makes sense. If it's like so he's over. And now Kofi is the second. I hope he gets to be changed. She's going to have to be done so, well, because he does not have the same ability as Kevin ends to be petulant. And then turn on a diamond be dangerous. He just his petulant. I think he's a great wrestler, and I have loved him. But I'm just so also. Yeah, yeah. Well, it seems you some new stuff. I think he just wants to do stand up sometimes. And then he's like, oh, I gotta go back to my day job, you know, being a super famous celebrity wrestler. So I can go to this open mic on Tuesday. What I do think he's over if he got, like one movie role, he'd be our the. Oh, yeah. For sure does the career he wants? Trainwreck got to play him in a movie. So good. He was J makes me really happy because I am a spiteful. Pettiness onto split. And so is this what happens when you're in between books imaging vixen I become an American today fully embracing? Right. That's why we came in really fully. Gosh. She's an ugly American. Now, I'm so. I've been told by my new people. This is loud. I no longer have to be polite. No, you don't. This is where you start getting real, the real world American. All right. And so now we have to talk about it. There's new title. Mick Foley came in and introduce this new title on raw. The should be when you're sounds. Yeah. Vince Christ present to the twenty four seven title. Again, green Fitbit looking thing it is. I it's I think we're so used to there being a lot of frittering and going on in the middle of it for it to just be some numbers and be real looks bus move. It's not a good looking belt. Like it you can tell that they came up the, the last minute. Yeah. Because they usually they processes to make one who designed it. But I also don't expect to ever designed to put themselves forward. You know. Behind the scenes of milking making the twenty you know, warrior, she did this literally a self. With a Cal crafting kit. And so some people are saying, you know, it's like a PG version of a hardcore belt. I personally think that it's I mean ES that is part of it, but it's also feels like it's more of a comedy belt than hardcore belt was the heartcall belt did become a comedy belt later. But at first, it wasn't really a comedy belts. I don't know. I think that there's a lot of potential for it. I think it's a potential for it to be inter-gender Belton. I think that this is something that you can give a celebrity to do. That's really, really fun. Yeah. You know, I it's I'm not mad about it by any starts. They measure nation. I was really upset of the reaction. But I know people would disappointed because they thought they were getting hog kobylt because wiles have MC fully come out and do it just because they thank you make. And then you did. Yes, the twenty four seven aspects of it. Which they had is the hardcore belt. But yeah, yeah. Will be now my problem is a combination of this is obviously another one of the things are doing. Here's how we're gonna make it better. It was like, no, you're. Adding more stuff into actually fixing things, and also I was saying, this will be great, if it's like actual comedy like the stuff I love WB that no one ever watched. You know. Like like JBL in cold show an redemption, but if it's like, Vince McMahon comedy than to even cement, somebody's doing poop. Gonna happen. People like Drake maverick. He's one of the people doing and he's actually funny. He's funny. And again, like I said, you can bring in comedy, people and gives comedy Michael Colin jobs, they're going to win this title. You guys they absolutely right. And on somebody on a flight with wrestlers though, okay? I know a WWE ref. I'm Chris, Chris get you right now. Essentially, it can be the iron man, heavy metal weight championship where all you need is a ref, you could be in a bar and yeah, Enzi, someone's definitely going to be taking shit someone about generally gonna get pins how nNcholas gets back in tunnel. John Coombs going to bring his son to work, and that kid is going to get another. Yeah. I'd like to see John Stewart. Hold it. I mean, I think we're wide open. I gave it our cat full circle. He'd want an actual your ballot. Let's he's gonna like florescent tubes on will the note, look and I'm not been like Joe about how he's got friends money he's gonna shoot do this. He definitely shoot hit said I excited about. I just I wanna see it dumb. Well, just as soon as he put it how in the ring, and that everyone, I was like these guys, you know, what we knew would come out for it trying to make important like at least throw someone police said some e out like. Have at least said Savia, I'll allow Colin just if it means Joe Hinton can win it too. Yeah. He has to the wedding, and then Scarlett Johansson, is now the show and she gets Premadasa of anyone else on SNL. Anyone else gets married. Scarlet have sex with either partner. Yeah. Seems. That's probably something she would do so. Okay. She's not. She's got that black widow movie. But then she just gets to make non kinky stuff while. Yeah. This young Kiki's up, so she could she could hold the Belgian about. She doesn't have to do any more of those, those head scissors. Ladies have to do when you're when you're Nash do. Yeah. The iron man to head scissors. Yeah. Yeah. I don't remember seeing I'm doing them, but the older men never do. It's always women doing the head scissors or doing the by Jinan doing a hurricane run out of nowhere. All right. If you've got any thoughts on everything we've discussed so far. 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Welcome back to Tyson fights. I'm Danielle Radford. I'm joined today by Lindsey and which way Ferguson. All right. So this is the part where we get to talk about all of the things we loved and wrestling this week. This is the three count. And as per usual guests so is go first here. So toyah what would you like to put over? I'm going to put over the all women's wrestling promotion rise pro wrestling, I was just there Friday, and that's where see, I guess, to meet to Mercedes Martinez and Melissa, and they haven't covered by book, and they love it. Mercedes martinez. His I adore. Hurry. I have feelings, she and medicine range on a clinic that show it was their show, luminous, which was on pay per view. You can you find it. It's amazing and, and aside from Danielle feelings when she does that thing where she puts her arms out. And then after remember that she straight. Her opening? I'm sorry. The sexiest fucking thing I've ever seen because just looks like strength. It's just her being like come. Get it. Anyway. Sorry. That's not the get she means fights. But she's she is a veteran wrestler. She's incredibly talented. She helped train Shane obeys ler and a bunch of other people coming up. So. Yeah. Close savoy. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. She is. Nicole Savoy, I love her so much. But in a I wanna hug you in protect you from the world. Kind of way so. Yeah, definitely rises amazing. And I've enjoyed every time I have gone there calc, what would you like to put over? I was just gonna over Heyman the beginning of roll this week because he made me as selfish victory, Matt. Soup briefcase of like you. What if I get more out of it, I feel like okay I thought his promo was excellent. I lift a recording to me. I don't know. Maybe someone's really good manager and his client in the match really show. I'm buying it. Buying it. Sammy was ward, Pete hung upside down, and then somebody with the right political connections here in WWE, made a very quick, negotiation for rock Lessner to be a contestant in the money in the Bank men's ladder match. In gentlemen, with these conspiracy theories you keep us way too much credit? Why, why not just blame block letter but the John F Kennedy assassination by now and most importantly, his booking suit that, man that man, I love him while I loved Doha photo of you. No. I think you have to because it's like to be William regal photo of me, full even and I will have the up my wedding as by two dads. I, I have there is a photo of me with an adult man, including my fiance, where I look as happy. I fuck AAC love Paul Heyman. And that suit was just, hey Jeff, guess what you fucking wearing for the wedding this he declined for like, what is not setting. So is it? Let's see. We'll see how long he declined your American now without him. So true. This is true on what I believe what the bride the bride gets. I've been hearing this a lot. I feel really good about actual saying, but yeah. Like I said it you think about it's true. I think I think we might struck won't we won't. But like go if you have more. Sure if you've been dodging, roared, I fully understand, and accept Joe choices. But maybe just go check out the first ten minutes with because he so good. So good. I'm putting over. Of course, I'm me. I'm putting over tweet. It is really funny. So e. Put Elliot I still hate saying it, he put up a clip of his match with Android a with the tight with the with the caption winner gets a full name, and that wasn't. Oh, I'm so frayed of what they gonna do to him. When the movie comes out. I'm so afraid, I'm gonna make him do thing. I just give him one name. Considering there's a very famous Ali that exists yet, we all know movie another movie starring. I Vince still acknowledge outside anything. So maybe like 'cause all we has been in yet. Don't know. So Vince is no good. You're no one remembers he's not gonna call him any like couldn't be bothered to think of another name. So like all eras and that's it. I guarantee he had watched Aladdin cartoon with what it was granddaughters was stuff like Foucault. It'd be great. Those sexy. Whispers means we're done with. We are podcast of the maximum fund network this week, your hosts worthy toy Ferguson. And Lindsey Kelco on with me. Daniel Radford between much waning for having you guys. So exciting about you incredible bit wet people. Buy it, you can buy, basically wherever books are sold. So where is that now, we'll Emily? It's on Amazon virgin noble. You can replace it to look to see if it's your local bookstore, which you can ask them for, if they don't have it. They can order it for you. I learned a couple days ago, sober eight books has holy shit. That's my. That's my. Book. That's pretty exciting. 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 Ep. 162: Crashing Crowns

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41:05 min | 1 year ago

Ep. 162: Crashing Crowns

"The park is not perfect Russell in his dad and this gosh off aw aw for the podcast good it ought to do do do do do do do do nobody nobody cares welcome to the show that discusses wrestling with sincerity and Larry deserves. I'm blackjack Halligan Lublin. I'm joined today by my fellow members of the Nation of conversation a real Dan's Danielle Radford yes. I'm a Dan's Day and then you'll go. She was only here for like a month. We're right before everything got super. Gay and Captain Calc Lindsey calculates slate. Lets you captain. I'm the captain. Now you drive the boat you and make the stallion. Let's get straight to the part of wrestling sling that we want to give some extra attention surprise event. I just thought Julia messed up the script fries as if sometimes his muscles get in the way and they auto at least House House. That's I mean that's really muscular fingers and you're just mashing the KEYPAD BICEP muscles. What are your fingers benching right now Julia off. I just finished my first before they're actually a lot stronger than they used to be. Grip strength. I'm also like I'm in the Mike Chair so I can't see Julian staring at me disapprovingly. It's getting sometimes we share that chair. Oh when you're not here Lindsey takes the chair yeah. We share chairs where there's there's. Nobody wants to sit here. That's switch chairs. I don't mind now because you have to stare Julia disapprove so he can give the rap signal and then fifteen minutes later. I'm able to wrap with Alexa Alexa. I can't see the rap and that's usually all my fault so we should change because I don't care to see it like this what had happened. No no no no fuck that shit I host for. I host for screen junkies. I don't have to host now. Radford's off Leash Allen is going to be a wild ride. Claxton noise clocks annoys clocks lawyers and has gone live on USA at least halfway before the second. I'm half went live on the WWE fucking. They were so eager so eager to fucking hopscotch leapfrog over and over over eighty w that they forgot that suits is a thing signing. Didn't we all forget suits as landfill Meghan. Markle shows up somewhere in the finale every single promo to be like a suits thing. We'll be like what would you think you could beat me because. I'm the guy like everything everything hey remember and look. I remember the good old days when after rather used to be either g vs e more the big easy and and we have to do those forced Promo Oni. I remember when it was Pacific. Blue alcohol can just like corner bell dream and just be like. Do you even have a wrestling license yeah exactly exactly exactly. We're GONNA find out. That's the story line anyway. They did go live first of all the thing I've been on about with a w that that I'm still concerned about is somebody who is a new fan and doesn't know who ninety percent of the people are on that show is that they've done absolutely nothing to tell me who they are and exte- starts starts with with four extremely talented women putting on a fantastic match that has immediate steaks and the announcers which is the best announce team in wrestling Bernanke Fun of Mara and all of his forced hip brides need is Liz reference but for the rest of it. I'm Komo Brooklyn Cherry Liz those tearing up shots Moro necessary analogy you are white and you love round uncle tomorrow's hip now we all know day to the fellow children what he's the kids all of this to say that they did a fantastic job of establishing who everybody was and why. I should care that they're fighting wanted to do with any like extravagant packages or in depth. I just think it was all on the Coventry. Team did an amazing job. This gives me so much. Hope Awa doing the same thing yes. This is what scares me because I haven't seen in in the three or four pay per views 'cause I've watched them do that. Even once so have we different sal the pay per view different thing I think we're going to see a whole new thing the TV's and I'm GONNA be. I'm going to be perfectly honest. I don't don't because aws has new announcements like every other day. Have they announced their official commentary. Don't believe that they have because if x calibre is on there then I don't worry no. I'm really shocked if he's not. I don't know who's Excalibur Mask Dude. He's the one of the founders of PWG. We intimately who knows basically every story. He is fantastic communicating story like we all love Jim but by God by God he don't know nobody. Nobody names and I feel like that's a really important part of wrestling. Yes I think you please tell me about the Mitch. The fucking Mitch Okay driver but also I desperately need you to to know any woman I assume just because his voice adds an element of familiarity to proceedings that they will appreciate but to me. He's he is just that he is like a woman in the room that makes the room feel cozy familiar and I know it but he's I don't expect back to anything from him. We'll see Barbara Barbecue sauce which is literally like look. This tastes good on everything. It might not work with some things things. I'M NOT GONNA put it on and off Radio but in tried that though because I actually now I'm thinking barbecue sauce and pass up hunting very hungry. I'm so hungry look eaten in three every week. She's getting married. I'm willing to watch but I'm concerned because I've seen it done so well with more some of my medications delicious. I am so happy all the time and like maybe it will just help you go in and say I'm excited to see what's going to happen. How take this take this summer. It's not my role to be medicated. Happy I'm here. That's not my role. I what I do know but always brand. Do I understand and doing funny but I do understand that like it has been because of you. You know we've been covering mostly. WWe For awhile and that has been most of your wrestling experience. It's hard to have hope in your heart. I get it and you just open it up. I'm not I'm not going to watch. I think I think it's I think is probably one addressing this Hafeez out of here. Forty five minutes I just want to establish fair and I'm not I'm not watching a w with with crossed arms and I'm hoping that they will that that translates to television. I think more good wrestling is good for everybody and I think they have the roster to pull it off. I wish I felt more invited into into it and I don't know whether I will be or not and how statement to cody. Stay woman in welcome should I should. I just read that instead of watching the television show he also they also talked about a place of more opportunity and the less you pay per views had like ten minutes of women's wrestling may be combined combined. I don't see them blazing trail other than here. The Young Bucks again in a twenty minute match Kenya Meghan a twenty minute matching cody and a twenty day. There's a building they seem to be going in the opposite direction in terms of the amount of time women are getting that bothers me especially to come outgoing like we're going to change the industry. We're GONNA GONNA change for every truck brandy driving the boat like make the style this. We've got Nile arose in the leading the charge like I have hope. I haven't seen it yet. I'm hoping they do it because they'll have to keep people like me. Who Don't I know who the fuck most of these people are. I feel comfortable sharing this information because I don't imagine anymore from the wwe is ever listening to this podcast. I don't think day just by position with my friend of the tool but I was invited a couple of days ago on a press trip which they are running from Europe for a bunch of journalists over to the October second and exte- show so they're running a fancy press trip and bringing a lot of journalists in on on the October second which is obviously the first full live show that goes up against a w then making a big and they all covering flights on hotels and the whole thing thing. You WanNa come as like Oh. I actually can't marriage but that sounds Fallento. Send Me Send lend me why I was like. I can give you other names. Oh it's just because we're only really doing the Europe press office. That would have to go through. Apparently instill your press office. Even though I am on Lamar a an American and be of lived in America for ten years you have an accent I own accent we w we does not accept repatriation but yeah they this whiffs of concern that they are actually running a major press trip to get all of the press and all the wrestling Pratt Pratt is thirsty and you know all Ondo you know that that has carte blanche adapting them to everything and they don't have a room service to your only do that for mania now. They don't even really do that. They did it evolution. They took a bunch of people have evolution can trying to make a big point They don't really do it for everything anymore so so it's huge hugely telling and then they're bringing them onto smack down in. La No shit all right well. That's that's the payoff like you're. GonNa go next in cover that and then you get to go to the fancy smackdown smart. La Party at smart. It's small it is interesting that they all genuinely called which is great for w they genuinely voice this. It's even better for us. Yeah talk to me to marry pollen. Oh married instead stupid married stupid family. He come into stupid. Stay but you come from the real Harry Potter Land Dogwoods Yeah. Yeah the surprises me when I found out I was griffin. I already have mice Nice Lutheran robes. The only wizard is it from England. The main event for the first hour was roderick strong beating velveteen dream for the North American championship which puts all of t's men's titles on the undisputed era a lot of that loves their eight-match Nelson. We didn't we obviously women's match was great and I just want to make sure that was so good. That was the best part of the show yes. It was fantastic everybody. Everybody like it's exactly how you started. I don't follow as closely. I know who those four women are but they all got time to shine. They all look like a million bucks. ending was smart in that it can continue storylines and even the introduction of Candice Laura with Shayna Basler afterwards it was all great storytelling loved the match also it was a great hour of television opened their very first cable. TV show coming out like Holy Shit and and again like the stakes it was four something these four women have issues that you don't know about because you don't have the of these women as as the next Challenger and I'm just so fucking happy for candidates and she has finally Ya and this and she's been candice for a month now and it's beautiful and gorgeous and I'm so happy happy. She is not just johnny wrestling's that woman took on Kevin fucking when I noticed I mean what have they been and doing whatever I will let that go. They finally gotten they're. GonNa kill a match. They're gonNA have an incredible match they really are. I hope it's the main event I think it will be amazing. Literally Crimson Mask that they finally got her all seen that photo monstrous an incredible finally got her right eight and I'm so excited so with annex t going live it looks like a lot of other areas of W W are gonNA come through regularly starting with Annex T U K where Walter and and imperium showed up. How do you feel about that crossover well first of all Walter his everything Walter. I never there's big boys season big boy season thank you Rachel Millman. Remember that time I got to chop you for a chair dry. Yeah stretch go it. It was it was it was great and I would trade it all trade all of it for Walter to come in and yeah would have Donna. I still just feel that's just something in me. That's just slightly uncomfortable with imperium. I get it. Just you know. Just talk to her on like it's just like that. Slight is not to fascism that I'm not cool with you know I feel like we'll go to an all those fun things. I just a drop in the ocean these days because I'm like Oh we took brexit and we just ruined everything so it's fine but like it's just something about the stance I just every saluting with of Nazism. That's fascist sent. It's like they dusted themselves in Nazi for breeze like an hour before they left home and and you can just every so often as they go by you you like what did I oh you. You should just wash that shirt instead of continuing jerry exactly it's like maybe just maybe like gain that that's how I sometimes feel about some of the fucking eras shirts yeah because their design is not and I don't think it's on purpose no tire militia and I've seen people who are in them shirts like it means something different to you. American flag go yeah something imperium that makes me jazz it just paintings my Nazi Raider Nazi Nazi just Gerbil Fascism yeah and we don't obviously we're not calling. Anyone and we don't think that they do but it is one of those things where it's like. They do this every time they have have European stable. They did this even with the League of Nations when they had those on just that they always have a slightly militaristic feel to it they always have them standing in line fine as though the leader and if it's not full on rooftops tank. I don't actually go in or don't bother the you know. I'm super excited to see what they're gonNA do yeah. I think it's nice this is an opportunity now for WWe to to continue to promote things that our network exclusive like and so they're gonNa Cross brand everyone to five will be I want to do now. Let's talk about that. Let's I seem to remember many times saying that the problem with two five live in the way to fix it was to move them to so full sail university and have them follow an x t where they can build a loyal following who have not sat through nine hundred hours of wrestling hall to get to them and lo and behold who returns but but I can't remember as a man of the hour rush Leo rush returns as a wrestler car yeah yeah that's a win over only Larkin such delightful boy when I interviewed him at Mania. I'm like look. I don't this whole thing about hold another people's bags. I don't not get it. No He's not wrong. There is definitely a perception I get him being and he didn't quite say it but what he was saying was like Yo Joe. There's a lot of black kids in the audience and maybe the best image for them. Isn't that the small black genders dog man holding bag right man's bags yeah. No no no it's week in two thousand nineteen week optics yeah at least haven't carry a fucking black dudes. Oh you don't have many of of those soups. He duped superpower to see him back. He looked great. He's an amazing wrestler and yeah like fucked up with the M. F. ING and mic shot. He overshot his shot on twitter. I get it. He's also very young. He has tons of upsides. He's great on the Mike. He's going to be fantastic. Yeah the Amana a star in the making overall. I felt like this is a very strong start for them on USA. I mean I'm intrigued to see what they have out all season. Finale Cincinnati's press out from all over the world. I'm fascinated they're going to do it is usually a big deal. Hoping you look I lit. A candle dropped my incense. I've done all I can do. Yeah I saved as I say apple TV I can. I rub it over the seven network subscription or Hulu now does arrived you put Hulu on the TV and just smudge it. Yeah I'll do it. Also don't use white sage white sage is low and supply and it's instinct for the tribes and indigenous folks who use it. There are other options at me. One option is no sage together sage and you're like McCoy mixture our and stuff goes out that won't work keeping anyway if you have any thoughts on the future of St connect with us on facebook twitter and instagram via the links in our show notes. We'll be back after the break talk about the rest of the wwe shells. That's up next. I'm Travis Abbas mcelroy. I'm Courtney enloe. I'm Brian Black and we're the hosts of trends like these translate. These is an internet news. Show where we take the stories trending on social media and and go beyond the headlines we'll give you the actual facts of the story and not just the knee jerk reactions plus we end every episode with the ray of hope that we call the Y I five of the week so join us every Friday on maximum fun or wherever you get your podcasts translate these real life friends talking. Internet trends the ties and welcome back to tights and fights. I'm how Loveland I'm joined today by Pan Lindsey. It's the last week of on it is also kind of Zanny. She's not a it no zanny over here. I wish I am getting. I wish I could explain to you how many text messages I have received in the last forty eight house house and it's too many everyone's flying anyone. I know who's listening to this. which is no one stop texting me questions about what you should watch? What why didn't you've been to one before. Go Fuck Yourself. I don't know what to tell you should have been on the invitation fucked up where blue you're fine. Yeah yeah just wear a thing clothes trash bag anything that is like I literally any anything. That's not white anyway anyway. Let's see what everybody thinks. The fiend interrupted the match between should not have come today turmeric turmeric. I thought it was great. I I loved US really showed up at your wedding I to object and he doesn't wear white and he puts his hand in Jeff's mouth because Jeff like is very like I did I was I was tweeting about this. 'cause you know I feel about the multiple claw for like just it's not just fighters fingers. I think the idea racing supposed supposed to be like a ton depressing like you're my doesn't work anymore but I'm not going to get it. Get to you. Look through your teeth look. I ain't going to get too graphic but if one decided in one's mouth was full that one would like to bite on something houses red is a shirt salmon colored also seth. I'm sorry terrified. Seth I know everyone is like Oh. He's being cooked but like I like terrified said it also plea I know but the thing is like what are you spending time on the daily stormer. What the Hell's going on my entire living on the Internet. I'm fucked but no I it's. I know a lot of people are like well. This isn't good for seth. That doesn't make him look strong. The great thing about seth is that he will be fine yeah. They love him yeah week. I think he looks like when my cat sees another cat outside and it's like well. Fuck fuck are there's another fucking out there. I don't know what I'm going to do. I know I have to do something but while the fuck no one told me there were other cats. I'd that's true. I kept it for so long but like I don't think he looks weak. I think he just looks like he doesn't fucking know what to do with this and I think that's a really strong angle and remember how all of us were like. Hey maybe the weird cockroaches and dumped shit would've worked with Randy Orton had he sold literally any of it. Yes Seth is selling it. That is his job and again. He will always be fine. They fucking love him. He has a top guy he will always be. A top guy. Seth is fine. This is just such a pivotal moment in the character of the feigned Julie. Aka Julian wins best friend because best what seth is in the middle of a run the Jessup Hall of Famer assess already. You know he's fucking set. He's going nowhere like so you say he is the safest boy in Leroy's say fist boy phen- like they have a chance to do over on what they fucked up with Bray Wyatt which is he has to come in so strong and I was talking about this on twitter on Monday. They have a chance to create an iconic old time character that twenty years from now the kids go to bed crying after they watched raw because they don't want to go to bed because they're gonNA have nightmares about the fiend twenty years from now. Those kids are going to be sat around the bog or like do do you you remember when those that like fiend guy. WWe Like I was terrified yes he could. He's got so much potential to be an iconic ever carried interest especially like with what everything that's going on with the undertaker and obviously you know they'll still have him back when he wants to make a million dollars to go travel to do by with the stop all inside by themselves they don't okay someone's gotTa buy these colors don't run shirts and those have to be paid for and and he but also he's getting to a point now where he's starting to explore hey what would happen. If I went to signing star cade what would happen if I went to assigning here. Could I start making the same amount of money that I make you know four doing this incredibly painful thing for a man of my age clip once a year and a night having to have another new hip. Yes and I like them phasing him out. He should be phased out because nothing good can stay i. I love the character. Will you know the undertaker as much as I have thoughts about mark but yes we have to get a new spooky. Dude yeah came as a mayor of new. Spain is a bad. That's like pitting all truth in the middle of the full scale it can I I. I don't mind that of any thoughts on nicky cross versus Sasha Banks. They're great love them. I mean Nicky crosses amazing. I'm I'm glad that she has been catapulted now where she is getting great matches. her character is awesome. I know some people think it's weird about what has happened with her and other other Carmella but like I think I ate whatever gets her to the point hit hard where she can be having matches. Sasha and this so well matched because similar sizes and heights. I wasn't worried about Sasha being broken sweet sweet. Sasha says like Oh. This is going to be fun and it was fun when we take your temperature on something both of you when when the Kabuki warriors show up on smackdown and get a win. Is it something that that gives you hope that they will that they they are now going to become the the next contenders to the titles or or at least be in that conversation or does it feel like they just needed some people on television. Kyri Kyri Sane is a goddess and I want her in everything. I know that's not that is not an answer. The question also so as Oscar and go follow her new gaming channel Khanna's feel like do you feel like this is the start of a of a larger run for for them or was like mom mom but I'm happy to see them on TV and kind happy connivers Kyrie's thing with the telescope and like chasing people around amazing amazing Kyrie Sane. She's magical. We don't deserve her. She is my final fantasy. Seven pirate dream and we don't deserve her. you see them in the mix for the title for the women's tax. Yes I would too again. I don't know if what I saw on Thursdays at indicated. That's GONNA happen or not if they were. GonNa have Mandy the insomnia break up because right at the end of the match that was kind of like a little bit of Sonya looking at Mandy. You're like what and then she was like okay and like I don't I don't know man. That's that that tag team thing. That always happens towards like duty. Who'd you children now only reason for wondering is because tote. Steve's is back to back about two weeks with that one. When we toasties back you see people from Steve's getting a bigger push onto you and they start are doing stuff that don't know why. I think we're seeing the NACI Lacy Racist Markelov Evans because we I mean the only upside to that. Is We're going to see night. You kick her ass. which is joyous? Duar already. Have them check the script or we already talking about Lacey. Oh no no I mean. I'm just happy that discussing suggest. She's using the shooter he's GonNa have to be. I want to talk about two more things. I'm saving one of these things. I would have put it over joy. I know you're you can guess which one I'm decided. I'm flying. I'm not even reading the script flying free Corbin and Chad Gable. Guess those are two people fantastic love the match on Monday. He really is a a fantastic. He'll he had gable is being turned into do a star. I'm enjoying chess joint both sweet baby chat does does he give anyone else like babysitter vibes little bit but not bad. I like it all right. It could be like breeding a new baby C for type. A wrestler back is what I'm saying. Yes ask Sina plus not saying. I feel like they've thought down and said Oh. Maybe we could have a thing here. We do this right and we play out over time this. This could be a thing. Corbin's nineties slash forever twenty. One tank top is kind of doing it for me. That's square neck. I don't know man I kind of like get no. It looks like a baby crown. They put a crown baby and that was like it on to know what's on a baby because I wanNA fuck it lucky so it's not a long list. I would stitch it up. I don't think it will be a good time. I don't want to they don't WanNA. Tell us into tapping tiles but I think you would have a good time well. I'll give me a title and let me around at least the other thing crashing uh-huh crashing touch on his Daniel Bryan's match with Eric Rowan again was fantastic and I like really runs. That's Promo beforehand was also really good. Yes obviously it was a scripted piece but some people work really well with scripted live in it well. He the Eld the audience he opened the show felt legit and give me all the Brian. I'm waiting for them to turn on Roman reigns tag. I can't wait. I'm so excited to see me and Roman Kinda. WanNa see you to punt Roman Dick Dick that he he's been great on like yeah. He's great interviews and love that talk enforced enforced all right. Let us know your thoughts about everything we discussed it connect with us on facebook twitter and instagram links to all of those are in the show notes when we come back. 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We're going to end the show uh-huh by sharing some of the joy of pro wrestling with you. This is the three count the just switch it up. I'M GONNA kick off this. Week's doing three countdown with a betrayal that that took a relationship to the next level Carmella finally won the twenty four seven title off of archery and then he immediately became protector. Here's The a clip of that of that moment my friend he will give Balloon Roger de remain. We're going to hide out there this loose to Syria. I can't take one second. It makes me sick. I can't sleep I I in grades four hour erection cross it can finally consummate the twenty underway for that hate him so much also. She's so funny and she deserves Yup. It's great lava how that's been going and long long way. She rain rain. Lindsay Lohan rate unless beloved pirate Princess. I just love I as it was such a tiny the moment but these little tiny moments that make me love it so much when all the women came out to Chase Carmella and Carby hotel us go and she telescope lives breeds character and I just oh I love how much I love her. Heart is still pure and she is still so up positive and joyous the she chased while staring through a telescope. It was the greatest moment beautiful beautiful Daniel okay. I'm GonNa do that that thing. Where do two things. I'M GONNA start. Allie put a tweet where he said Hashtag. WWe Honolulu it's him Oh no the CUCKOO NECKLACE UH-HUH I've not from no one sorry. She hearts it. She's not from holiday. I'm not from it and also I was very distracted. Tips from the nut necklace be heated not crop it the way he should have some really putting over the comments and I'm sorry I know look when it comes to leaks or any of that stuff where it's like. WWe people knew we don't do that because that's fucked up when it comes to like people who were like oh we'll while they were wrestling. I think I saw a pussy lips slip. We don't do that because that's Shitty. There are a whole accounts has like cannot believe that that happens there are whole accounts that are dedicated just laughing at the let's see let slip the ellipse lips well. I'm not I'm not one of the kids seventh heaven that body parts get shown all the time but he did this to uh-huh self and man you can see his whole Dick. Ah this shit like such a Dick print in this picture I mean you you can see the dig Haitham Bella take this. I know you guys have been missing. Fin Pena's honeymoon after he fucking dressed like that fucking shorts dude killed him. There's no no Julia you want to live in this world but he's on honeymoon to get married walls dressed like member of ACDC and yes so you can see there. Is I mean. There's there's a fold you can see his whole. Dick held as very look circumcised you really his entire. Dick and again normally. If if this was a leak or something were we don't we wouldn't from what choice if we have he posted it and so I have to talk about the fact that we can see his day every day like you're giving me stick the RUB. Is that what it does not need it. I think it's already ready. I topping tiles this. This is the kind of content equality guns at Also I do look. I Hate Lacey. We all Hateley see she's fucking trashed. Garbage also hate cops and before you at me my one of my dad's as a cop so fuck your face. better one is military. Fuck Tuck your face twice. I hate cops and the Lacey Evans thing. I think it's a work and I think it's really funny. Oh it just feels gross rose to me. I don't know I mean if you're really mega. Yeah I just I get. I don't know even if it's a work in the police have come out and said it's not so fucking no no. I think it's worth their own problems right. Now like we all do happen. I'm like it's a grubby work and I just feel also oh really strongly feel like this is not the time to fuel the fire between people on the police when we've got some issues but also just like I mean I follow the I hate anything I think so. I feel like I would love for this to be a work and then I would love for her to fuck off. I think it's a work I think dude was maybe a fan. I do things because she was speeding but I think dude was fan. Armored also one of those things where it's like if he's walking. He's the only one into it. He's GonNa get fired so yeah. They'll just find another one as sea bake but I told you I'm a leash on this one. This is this is not history you uh-huh. Radford hates dubs and that does it for this episode of tights and Fights Radford Lindsey calc along with me how loveland when there's nothing left to plug a wedding some books books books books books and I have now someone on twitter hooters right. I do need a t shirt. 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Ep. 163: We keep it in context

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Ep. 163: We keep it in context

"Really Oh yes I ca- perfect Rosalie UH staten uh-huh doc right doctor told boom it to fight welcome to the show that discusses wrestling with sincerity and hilarity deserves how amazing loveland and I'm joined today by my fellow members members of the nation of conversation wrestling's dressed kept secret Danielle Radford. I only wear dresses and go to calc Lindsey Lindsay CALC the new newlywed nearly why marriage marriage to boy did you marriage that boy the fuck you bring on Mike Cook Angle bring it on its cover. It's covered. Don't worry we've got Bobby Lashley. We got the Lashley and the bike act is anyway. We know yeah. I wouldn't have thought yeah. You didn't think I knew that song now. Why because I've met you the song of the summer. I'm aware of things. Even if I'm not a huge tick tock user oh my gosh. I'm constantly on their listen. Look at me. I'M GONNA lip sync to catch a real quick before we get back to. The Wrestling Jeff. Do I have to talk. Is that no. I refuse to do it every so often. I have to Google me like remind me again what took his and then I had to like. Get on it to see the KHUMBU chagall video because I was like funny but no I've all the best. Sean talks wind up on twitter anyway exactly. I've got burned by vine. I'm not doing I will I will only only on tell tell doubt doubt we're right in the middle of the biggest week of wrestling in recent memory in fact this is our last show before this very evening as we record this three very huge things on TV number one survivor number two x t goes to two hours but number was the fourth thing nast assinger mess singers tonight yeah W. Dynamite it's. It's out tonight tonight's the night I check my Dvr to make sure sure that it's recording and also I will say we guys. We are sincerely trying to figure out a way where we can get Wednesday nights sooner so we're not doing everything week later. We haven't figured out that plan yet but I promise you we are trying this out there Jillian. I hope this is okay that I thought this out there to the listeners assist to see what they think. If it came out on a different day would that be a huge you know what I mean like. If we recorded on a Friday right we will have the pre that would mean at the beginning of the week would really the previous Friday smackdown and then so then that gives us that any pay per views it happened Monday night raw an xt and eighty w all in the span of a week so at the end of the week you sort of get your primer either on a Friday evening or a Saturday for the week to come. I really feel like they've just done this and I've I'm seeing that the rest of the universe in general to shaft podcasts. Everyone tapes fucking Wednesday yeah everyone releases on fucking Thursday and Friday the UK under the entire week. You Absolute Boston's like a now. I feel like smack down the Asia. Show honestly everything so confusing. It's also hard. I'm a simple Golfman simple town. Damon grabs mark the date listeners. I'm actively asking for your feedback for once it would that date. What would that day work for you. Would it be a drastically different. Do you like that. We're sort of on top of what's happened Monday Tuesday and Sunday I mean I want to hear especially with the shift because I think everybody's watching schedule will shift now. Extended network. Yeah felt a little bit different. I'm just going to tell you if we keep it to the same schedule where at now get ready to hear a lot about impact act because otherwise it's kind of role podcast. No one wants to take wrong yeah aware. WWe He w e as of our somebody asked me that where they gather the our podcast should have no one knows who yeah well people know we exist but I don't think they've ever listened to you know they'll. They'll save have a tweet because we did oppose that they did. They don't care who we are. Some of us have like met- wrestlers like Lindsey has had a very lovely legitimately intimately. I've had a conversation with Stephanie amount about this podcast but Stephanie Mementos not know about now. There's no factor I'm sure I had a whole. Come sation about it. She did not reach for her iphone own and say hey let me add that to my list so awa premiering tonight you know people talk about what's the bar that they have to clear right because wt he's has been doing this for so long and it feels like based on Monday that they could fall six feet below the Earth's crust and still clear the bar by pretty already by the bar is so low yeah without glasses. I don't know where it is. It's a low by by lunch by the way I I. I don't want to hear about Saudi Arabia and crown jewel literally never don't want Hogan on my television I I. I don't need ric flair on my television screen to remember what's going on yeah. I wasn't GonNa Watch that episode because of the Hogan at all we had someone At my other job billy billy business put on just the first half hour of raw and so me him and Joe Star. We watched watched just the first half hour. I'm raw and I was like Oh horrible. Things are happening soon. I've got a bus to catch so I'll go ahead and so I missed the rest of the show because fuck it did I caught up with it on gifts and I missed nothing yeah. I I read the recap. I didn't WanNa Watch Hogan because the show but it was the Hulu edition so I can watch it live because of merging busy busy but I watched it with my bobby. oft-spoken rally scene bobby was in town down amazing. I wish y'all got more. We we watched some. We watched last night. I skip through the Hogan of Atoll Watch pretty much the rest of it from the Hulu Ninety Minute version Asia and yet you all miss given how important this week is to them and I know the bulk of the importance this week for them as place very much squarely on Friday Friday and making Friday happen. role was an unmitigated shit. Show also that new set. I have opinions first of all it. It does look like skate ramps it. Does I wanna see someone doing Ali. I wanted to flip it looks like they were laying wallpaper and they let it go and it will continue to go and also and this is something that Joe Star pointed out and now I can never unsee the way that the new raw logo works. It's all pointing to an Arrow in the center but the people don't come out of a center they come out to the side. It makes no god damn sense because coming out the side. I hate the coming out the side. Everything is oriented in in the center and when I say that for those of you who haven't seen the new set yet. It's not like they're coming outside the way they used to when they would come from guerrilla there is a little fucking stupid door. That's it's in like that's on the stage so it's not them coming out from like like around. It's them coming out of a stupid little door that should be in the center of the stage but instead is about like three to four one probably more like six to ten feet off of the center so they can come around the center of it. They don't come out the center. It's fucking Weird News Pink Windmill which is a super specific reference but it's Paul and I'm doing it. It's because you can still see that little stupid fucking door after they come out of it and they don't want on time to figure this out. You should figure this out before now. You're cameras can do the trick that makes it so you don't see the edges of the stupid fucking anyway. I'm sorry stumped. It's dumb. I don't set is dumb storylines job. That was very little rifling so I'm not really sure what we were trying to achieve with the three hours. They would like of my life on a Monday evening. I hate like the thing that I keep coming back the number one you know. Vincent pyro comes back out yeah whatever their exploded now I am happy for Becky steam though yeah sure give of meal this mode where she tweeted and she looked at me happy but I feel like China went to Friday anyway. fucking Crown Jewel Chant Shan't nope. It feels like all imagine we'd then also for the listeners. I think y'all know we don't cover crown jewel. We don't give a fuck about grandeur. I just imagined this like Saudi royalty. Sitting there pants pulled down shirt pulled up little button. Dick Flipping flicky going bring me Rick. Flair and I want these guys to wrestle and here's twenty dollars. He's pursuing it. Here's twenty dollars for taxi money on your way home. I'll L. it's sickening sickening now and it's it's getting harder every single time. It's getting harder all the time. I mean we'll get into the rest of the storylines this week but I feel like I'm in therapy so we can work through this but I feel like everything in my life is like it's a seesaw a teeter totter if you will whereas like the good stuff us is the bad stuff every time you know the way you get along with anything in life is when the bad stuff pushes down more than the good stuff you have to walk away from situation nations and it's getting harder and harder and harder and harder for me to push on the good side with my extra body weight going like no. I do like his started. The most this is better there are still better things because like the so much on the side right now and I don't WanNa be miserable. I don't WanNa be winey podcast baby but making it so hot it. I mean it doesn't help that. We have other options now impact. I'm enjoying impact. I think impact is good. we have it you. W COMING UP I. I'm wondering you'll now. This might be a we kind of mention raw. Rau- will probably do more smackdown this my land. I'd Vienna mostly W. and T. Pot. Let's list all the stupid things is that Lola said this week podcast. I don't have the energy for that. How miserable of their new catfight fuck you remember how miserable we were for like a year when when everything on raw was terrible but the only you know and then I would get a little bit to joy when we cover underground and then all of a sudden all of these new things happened and and other people started paying more attention into indy stuff into to new Japan. We could cover more of that and we all got happy again. We this is going to be happy and they'll be slightly know what's going to be really you guys so much joy. We just have to solve the officers so we gotta talk this through and this is the same therapy garbage garbage cycle. This company goes through like there. There is a sixty day block is in every year where it's practically typically unwatchable because everything is built towards a show that none of us are gonNA. Watch that that is not only not only feels gross that it's happening but but also is out of cannon for anything else less storyline that came out of it was the MS and it made no sense so you know I it just it but from uncomfortable and even I mean I know you guys didn't watch the segment and we is skip through it on my apple TV so you have to skip like every thirty seconds so I would catch bits like when so the thing that's happening at the show we won't mention is this team racist and team terrible terrible man so because let's not a great guy you know legend so that having a team captain team each and they they will have the teams will fight each other at the show that will we mentioned. That's what is and south comes out is like I would be honored to be the captain of team racists on you. You don't know when I'm watching. How about you go fuck yourself to. Hey time feeling that you were really really in a relationship with someone someone who connect collected a lot of Nazi memorabilia. Don't remind me of that. Remind me of that so it's like it's not even like that. You can just pretend it didn't happen. It's still it also has ripple effects through the rest of the roster and the universe even though the story itself is not Canon. It's so crazy and as we say okay every time one of these comes along fuck. Yes the fans out. There deserve to have one job. It's just fucking weird that it's backed by any show. That's backed by a government is fucking weird but especially like with all of the elementary this full of propaganda it is super super like the whole show is propaganda and it's that's the part that we're uncomfortable with. Its politics the propaganda the motoring of journalists. I mean my my wacky. Villains yeah anyway next. What else do we are Monday. the the CUC finale larussa comes out turns face the kind of his he sort of did some he'll stuff not to say and then Steph. I was so pleased to get obvious. FDA Yeah that's an honor thing at the end of that match. I can and I go to the bathroom while you do this because I want to go to the bathroom while you do this this happened. I'm going to go to the bathroom in my pants out for months. What does universal champion to match still underway away listening today. Then you said happy wife happy life making ourselves. The phone stops before Gorgeous Mazda. Oh Yeah Oh yeah what what we're inferring. That cliff is there's no inferring the gift they take smoothie. Fuck out of Ralph Wig. That were many hands a nicer baby. Oh my God yeah that's the thing that happened and Lana was very motivated to make it look realistic. Is We seem to we have a pleasant time is Vince still trying to fuck Lana. Is that what's happening. I mean it's all by any means necessary thing as a haven of all of this. Let's not forget then new head writer. This is not his first infidelity storyline. WWE ACLU otherwise like Hayman. I you know I love Papa Heyman. He's got a whole lot of previous and I just feel like I don't WanNa see ooh hurt on Hayman. I don't think it's I think it's something he really. He likes you know like I think he really likes it because we keep seeing it to the point where we now have to cook storylines running around raw aw. Hey Paul there are whole websites for that yeah and he knows that but like holy fought real excited for browsers to become a new sponsor that'll be great. I could not have their own problems with this. They I tweeted about it and my tweet tweet wasn't even legal. Hey how about if we all agree to just pretend this didn't happen a next week. You just go on like this never happened. We're all we're all in on that that I am. I got a lot of cake back from people I don't really get that much negative from people who just like to kick off at people yeah but I got a lot of comments from people who do not follow me. Why were you searching people. Who wanted to talk about this? Why were you doing that set the record and tweets from trigge get and like it's classic attitude era storytelling and we'd like that. I don't really always to just be very polite and pat them on the head. I didn't say off on your merry way. My new friend who I've muted the only way to deal with. Let's let's exactly buck to those glory days of attitude who'd era storylines for women such as young giving birth to a ham this event being drugged and getting married even though she was in on it or whatever because you the past is really good for things we should still do today. I don't know if you guys know this. We used to own block people. It's true. The era was the last twenty years ago insane defend. This and I really wanted to do like hey would you like me to politely sit down with you and explain lane literally every part of this socially not acceptable and culturally acceptable and all the implications the racial implications the misogynistic implications nations everything else the problem. That's the all with the optics of what is happening on that stage right now but they don't want you share. Don't still like the shit that that you liked in high school. I'm sorry some things are classic and will never go away but if your viewpoint hasn't changed since you were fourteen you you some fucking talking to do and I hope you get a professional to do that with me and I can't like dungeons and dragons anymore. That's the fucking same. Okay good the on the same wavelength. No I played I mostly just don't tell your best friend Deb Jeff. Then you look I know well. He knows how we're working on it. You know they're like you do try to evolve as a person and we'll look at the stuff that I thought was fine. In two thousand now is not that I thought was fine in two thousand thirteen Jackson twelve and I know it's not fine man. I'm going down that Jesus Christ we I've been going back and watching a bunch of movies from like two thousand nine and it's like Holy Shit. I guess I didn't realize that women and didn't become people until two thousand fifteen but we surely did not out to a twenty. Maybe twenty twelve at the earliest shallow hal what's uh-huh shallow. Don't look look. I'll give you an example. I love the television. Show friends is one of my favorite shows of all time ooh wildly homophobic. Why probably like Hilariously yes. There are a lot of sit next to the transit turned sexual from purchasing and that's a holder Aja when I watched when I was fourteen yeah. I'm watching now. The stuff that is funny still today is hilariously refunding his well crafted but there are a lot of moments like Oh and again Lord Geico for the last season where the fuck of black people. It's New York Yeah you can have all all you can have. Charlie only now shush and that was the deal and it's like it's not okay but this is what we said. We want. You acknowledge it. You we all recognize it. It's been been noted publicly noted and now we say well. We keep it but we keep it in context. Now we keep it but we keep it in context might be the best thing you've ever said. Well what we don't do is fucking tear it out of nine thousand nine hundred nine and throw it down our throats seven fifty five pm on Monday on a major cable. Go Fuck yourself with your hideous storyline. That offends me on all of the levels so let me ask this. I want to wrap up the segment because of my brain is about to expire that we look for before I say something that all of us will regret to somebody somewhere knows now that we have we're GonNa talk about how great annex t was in the B segment and it was I only watched. I'm caught in the thing now where I will. I will watch Gotcha. DVR Of the first hour and then plum not go to the network to watch the second hour. I just didn't I was just like all right. I have an hour. I'm going to watch this. That was good that felt we complete our we're television and then. I completely space. That's on me but that's on them and they're scheduling. I mean like I could have taken the time I'm sorry that that is on them like where you don't watch one hour of something here and then finish the rest of desperate to try and get ahead that there's the larger point. Is that somebody you. We all try to watch as much as we can have everything yes now to now there. There are four shows a week that are each at least two hours. Long and also impact is on the air for our long. It's on. I don't watch that the only times I've watched it. I've watch this is great. I like her. I saw her match. I thought it was great. I agree she's great. Do you feel like you're going to reach a point where you're just GONNA go. I'm just not going to watch raw anymore at all because I need to at a certain point. You have to make choices I do. I have a limited amount of time every week. It worked forty hours could vary yesterday when I was watching it and I was discussing it with the yes I could easily say and I've always said it's too hard because I want to follow certain Russell's career. I think that's what I'm going to do is like I want you to them and I just really feel like I'm not saying. I'm going to do it yet because I am. An Situation Joe realizes the Super Privilege Work Situation I work from home and because of West Coast hours wars on at five till eight and and that's usually when I'm working in my office and I have that time so I will quite often put it on while I'm doing soft and then if there's something I want to go back and revisit. I'll go back and revisit and give extra attention but I know I'm is easy for me to do that. If it was my Monday evening I had just finished a full day of work out of the house. I just got home. I'm tired hi it. I Want my dinner and looking for something to entertain myself. I do not know if I could give them three hours of my very very fucking precious time if I if that's it's my situation Yeah Jelly. Anyone should feel bad about saying. Hey maybe I'm not gonNA. Watch this for a while especially if also after and this isn't like none of our situation but after the eight hour or twelve hour the US after a twelve hour day of doing whatever it is that you do you come home and then you also have to like make dinner for kids and get them down all that's near imagine if you'd have the worst shittiest day at work yesterday and then you put your kid down your kid was being a little psycho refusing to go down and then you finally on the Sofa like kicked back with like a soda a beer whatever your preference might be and you're like. Oh Aw last Monday is over. I can watch some raw. They handed you that. Shit platter his what we're GONNA do now. We're going to take a break okay. We're going to hear from some other Max shells. We're going to do that when we come back. We're going to UH WANNA talk about something good in this shit blow segment as a we're going to fill this moat with snakes during the break just live on its own alligator alligators. Let's legs boy when those are fighting together together when they realize the stakes alligators like we should put our differences aside then then we're in trouble go to our happy place. Do you have any thoughts on this you can you. Can you know you know where to go. Twitter instagram facebook go to the show notes. We'll be right back. I'm Biz and I'm Teresa and we host one bad mother a comedy podcast about parenting whether you are a parent or just no kids exists in the world join US each week as we honestly share what it's like to be a parent aren't really hard really hard for that either garbage doc shadow of just five minutes of Theresa crying and screaming until the altruism played so join us each week as the judge last laugh more and remind you that you are doing a great job. Find us on maximum fund dot. Org on Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and welcome back to tights and fights. I'm how loved one join today by. Let's get to the September twenty fifth edition of x t ooh Hashtag Haas fight hus- US US usually Dominic Jakovic wow how that happened God boy they opened. You enjoy big boy. Season did enjoy big boy season. I like keithly. We got to see him live and then we went to work as A. Mazer mazed Nazi Jakovic before Oh I saw. WGN hijacked of them are interesting because keithly looks like a big dude and he can fucking moved. Jakovic looks like a masters of the universe action figures that somebody like put air into got bigger in your mind you're like Keith lease should be taller out of the two of them but no details. It gets five inches huge great match. They worked really. We really well together again exte- opened they've they've opened the show with two superstar matches two weeks in a row so and I love keithly I I I didn't see him until it is the indy show the Volvo India. The evolved show in Florida Mania is a Florida last year I think and he did like the backflip off the top programme like Oh fuck well incredible well what scared me initially when he got signed. I was like oh I remember another kind of big dude that could move name yeah now. Austin creed and what the fuck are they doing with him. Then Austin creed that no the friend my good friend but no Apollo creed sorry and cruise whatever when was the last time time whatever I'd I'd follows up his name is name of an Omaha nation forever and I don't care about the rest of it but like and they fucked fuck it up and he's athletic and he was so good and so when they signed keithly I was like really really worried and then they announced this new deal where no one's probably going to be moving up and I was longer super worried. stateful chant fight forever his day Verona well speaker staying. Somebody made their return which is sort of like saying. Dakota kyw earned the face tenora. Yes not to know county. She's just an Tanaro. We don't like little like last days in another great match just like a Salt Lake just good matches imagine that just as solid good batch match between the two performers and again the announce team like it's just the the what's what I love about. Annex T is it. It's world world class talent putting on getting the room to put on great matches with an announced team that does such a good job of you know the perfect match. Everything has to work together. Hell Hell in a cell in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight. Yeah is is still an interesting match but not an all time great match with Jim Ross Call. That is the thing that people you remember. Foley goes off the top and you remember God as my witness. He's broken in half. Those are the two things you remember the most. They're equally important and xt best announced team in wrestling bar none. I am going to say one very nice thing about raw. The two non lawler guys seem delayed potential potential potential attention. All my favorite thing was when they just routinely let down off every time he he did a boob and they just left it. I appreciate that but yeah I I love Beth Phoenix since she did the first young when she was shoes everyone lows. You thought something like this is the first time she's done it. Bitch you try doing something for the first time in front of all these people and seeing how well you do try to announce Canedo great issue now. How good is Beth because she brings shots enough of that like I'm your mother and your baby yourself edgy while still I'm doing everything she needs to do. She so incredible I love Beth Phoenix with every fiber of my being and she's clearly though Jordan and that's my towel when someone has really I put the she wanted this yet and just like she does with everything 'cause she's still Brolich. Fuck She put her whole heart into it. They have great chemistry as a group and I do the like you say. They were so hard on this much too because they think tae. Nahra isn't necessarily at a skill level with some of the other women are she still coming up which also addresses some some of the concerns we had about what would happen to the people in the on the top of the game but obviously they trust her to come up enough to put her in a match with someone who's recently returned from injury which you don't do unless it's a safe air because there's such a huge risk re injury. and I just really feel like I that much wasn't especially in its own way gave me so much confidence in what the new. NFC is going to be yeah. Further lending confidences Matt Riddle and Killian Dame in a straight the for the number one contender ship entitled stakes so if you were watching before you already filled in on the rivalry if you weren't aware where this match had instance steaks and I very good match very very good match the ending was the right ending tap him out and Adam Cole coming out to ship talks and also getting tapped out immediately as soon so well booked like through the end of that hour from the beginning of the hour to the end of the hour. I don't think you could have booked it any better also questioned because I don't watch feet a lot. That's not my jam yeah. I'm so worried about his feet worried about his love the flippy floppy but I I need him to get some arch support I needed. He's a big fella throwing around all the big fellas jumping unease falling out the ring hitting the ramp. I don't like you're going to break a toe and you only got a break a totally out six weeks and didn't rousseff hurt his feet and then they made him wear boots and now he's handsome but like already so like put some shoes pretty of you pretty Matt. Get some little shoes if kick saw matt real suzy's Bro Yeah. You know what we don't even have to go. Fund me where you get the money no matter what I feel like if we did a kickstarter we would we would feel that kicks six just wrestling shoes on. I'm like Liangel it just a little Suzy's little ankle boots but you can put like the low gosling. Even those like weird yummy leading put those on anything just to protect you feel like the ones with the toes would not protect him at all. Just we got to protect them. biggies something they're important what makes John Cena wrestled in high tops for his like ten career. I think you please give ankle support when he pumped giving aw come on cognitive stronger assist pumps my parents ah I wanted to the the USA our was amazing. I'm excited to see what they do with to continue hours which I will watch. I'll watch it during my morning up candidates Clap Alexa. This is the second here's the second hour the main event of that our was Ashida resign. Go taking the on imperium has my entire heart as y'all know and the puffy jacket well because he's more Komo as my favorite time splitter. He's tired because anyone else feel that j.j energy of this room from evidence. There is so much joy in this room right now. We're all set like folded ourselves holding it in because it's like Brian Go. My sweet sweet resigned and this is exactly where the fuck where they belong cat clear whether they belong. I will never never find enough joy in watching Brazil fandango knowhow. I don't know how to dance. They gave the only man with absolutely zero rhythms Jonathan doing hips. Tell constant lies level lies is prorogation level lies all the lies. I love him so much and I'm loving seeing breeze getting to work and be as good as the is curve. Could I'm not sure I loved it so much. Thank you thank you thank you thank you to please keep us up other matches. I don't know we need to get too into it. Rush Copley Cayden Carter Jesus Christ. I will not say who said this to me but I had a friend who I work with. WHO said is it weird that I'm trying to get my partner into Rear Ripley so I can justify my huge crush on no it's not because I tried to do it with Jeff all the time but don't you think she's he's so handsome. She's good looking. I think it's actually a very good at how `bout she found scissors because he's scared of her but I'm like that's right. That's how Taupe she is. That's why you want love her. I love so much hype the money. She is the money like she's like. I mean rocket her to the top of the card. I'm also keep away for the title of Milwaukee because you know I need to know what we do need to talk about because I need it. I'm putting my face immortal like into. It I need my shane obeys. Loria Ripley will need it so bad. I can't like my need is so deep that I know that I'm not GonNa get it like I was GonNa Dream Boat which we have we never showed because it breaks donuts I would have cost Shayna the match and I put the belt on candice and let Candice and Neo just like fucking go bonkers intimacy they are but but I would let them just go with that belt because the candidates feud has been fantastic throw belen mix it up do it again great joy and then I would just type Shayna and really go at it. Belt Lewis like just have them want to rip each other. Nobel no champion. This is not about doesn't need need to lead the best this is about. I WANNA be your fucking yeah. She's just whole thing right is the biggest bad ass and China's biggest thing has been that hey hey. Let's have a WHO's the biggest bass competition. I wargames in a wargames much give team. I don't know if she needed him. I just want to see the two of them in a cell ripping the shit shit out of each please provide tarps. Oh I don't slide off my chair. Yeah the all the super extra outcome of that is I get sweet sweet baby candice with the belt and which would give me some do. There's nothing in right now. Whatever they do won't fill me with JOY BELCO. I'm happy now the one hour to two hours they got it. It feels like they've stuck to what works yes. I decided to see both our in one place. I mean you crazy bitch and you'll walk away Jason Nutty. I'm I'm pumped to see it yeah. I can't wait also just to complete out what happened on the show. So you know Danny Burch a uh says Danny Burch and only looked and can be ever rise. Yes they beat ever is only Larkin defeating ever rise yeah match also only Larkin might be second having the best twitter account on easy. He's grunt work. He is killing US doing obviously the the the old stokely now. Michael Bevan's is fucking wrecking the twitter game most basically saying that he does basically physically in wrestling like I love Becky Lynch but he is really using wrestling to like push weird story lines that have nothing to do with what's on television and I love it but only oh boy. His twitter unhinged a magical all caps lock baby. Let us know your thoughts about everything. We discussed connect with us on facebook. Look twitter and instagram links to all of those are in the show notes and when we come back we've got some things in the same way that you should know about. We are onto hi. Everybody my name is Justin mcelroy. We're both doctors and dismay okay. We'll cities. Dr Nama medical enthusiast and we create saw bones and mineral tour misguided medicine every week. I dig through the annals of medical history to bring you. The wildest eldest grossest sometimes dumbest tales of ways. We've tried to treat people throughout history. I wait. We we do a lot of modern fake medicine because everything's a I disaster but a slightly less of a disaster every Friday right here maximum fun dot org because we bring you saw bones and metal tool of misguided medicine and remember. Don't drill a hole in your ahead Welcome back tights and fights. I'm how Loveland I'm joined today. By this week. We're going to end the show by sharing some of the joy of wrestling with you. This is the three count ooh. What do you WANNA put over it. You W did a what I thought was really really amazing Promo they they put up on their twitter today which is Wednesday which is like the real different promo and it's this beautiful like slow motion. It's a bunch of different characters dirt in their day like in their real life. You've got the bucks like with their family hanging out. You Got Brandy like shopping like all the stuff you've got. Brit like literally literally doing all for Dentistry Dentistry yet dentist thing as Tom. Yeah dentists theory and then it cuts into hugh clips of them wrestling just to kind of show that like in the I think the tagline is real period different period. Go check that out. It's like you know a a minute. Maybe two minutes long brandy says it was her idea that that something they came up with. It's done by people who are professionals who it looks real good so yeah. Lindsey I two things but one that big of a friend of the parts so it was just a reminder that I had to do this but the first thing I wanted to put over was connected to e w was the tweet by jungle boy after his last independent match and he and Jake Atlas had a beautiful awful best friend Lovin on twitter and I I was kind of fool they think a Lotta people because the words I love you and it's an honest show my life with you. We're in there and people were kind of like. Is this coming out announcement. I don't think that's unfair for people to have thought it might be but read it when real greasy real quick squared squared circle who didn't like it and then when I actually came away from the palm of it that I didn't like and actually just rejoiced in the little bit where they will like. Oh Oh the best friends who love each other and respect each other and we live in a world now where to is who are not in a romantic relationship can go on twitter and feel comfortable enough to say I love you. You've been a huge part of my life that made me so happy and then so many other wrestlers got involved in it and we're like yeah you guys this beautiful and you deserve all his success. Jack and it made me so happy. I really just wanted to put over. Everyone's favorite jungle boy mayor that moment we'd be my friends. I know and you know what like it's I think that in society we don't have enough of dudes. Just really that is paid about it. Maybe I'll movie about it. Cold Love you man yeah. It's it's it's it's a patriarchy thing like this is why we fight. The patriarchy. Patriarchy says that you're not allowed to love up on your male friends. You're not allowed to be sensitive incident with your male friends. You're not allowed to hug your male friends. Tell them that you love them or told. The killers love them because if you do the first thing everyone thinks is they gay which again Dan makes sense because that's the way that our society is done but like yeah man be hardcore boys in the ring and soft boys in your life. It is okay and it's good. It's good ought to be vulnerable. It's good to tell your friends how much you love life is show. Tell the people you love that you love them and you know the more of that we can get into regular regular permeate into everyday life the better so hats off down with toxic masculinity s up with boys telling each other they love each other speaking of of boys we love I just wanted to give a quick shout while I remember two funded the part. Rj City because his show would Dalton Castle is coming up in Toronto on on October fourteenth. Yes as I wanted to remind everyone to go to that and see some of our favorite. Russell boy is doing normal things but it does say on the website. They might do it shirtless so for that lady who was like. I guess you at all she should go to this one. I would like to yield my time to the distinguished gentleman from the Weight Room Julian. Okay so first of all a shout out to Naomi. I know a couple of times we have asked on this. Yes she kind of came out on twitter and talk about why she hasn't been on TV and it does have some pretty legitimate reasons. Apparently she lost a loved one going through some health stones hope she recovers very quickly and can get back to doing what she loves but the other thing that I do WanNa really put over is a shoutout to Patch Wolf Aka John Walsh. We know him for sharing this video that that was created by a person named RIP lab on Youtube. I don't want to say too much about it. I'm I'm just GonNa say it is a journey so together in you have apps and then this is really amazing. y'All got to watch the editing on this and you gotta see Vince McMahon's. Now I was I watch eight of the two right to slip visuals like like the facial expressions of fences making throughout awesome tyre thing. It's you did facial expressionist. Facial expression is in period the second enough. This is the best part of you do. He Dies due dad remember when he had that. We're dumb accent. Doing what Bob took him this. I wish that you see I'm not. I'm still not really sure what like Vince was doing in this promo. I don't remember it at all. She's visiting the Black Lodge. Julian in the name of this video has been sick man directed by David Lynch which is very appropriate. It's amazing. I just it just watch it and I felt like I blacked out for two and a half minutes because you'd think twin peaks Julian not not really my wife is really no yes. She loves to impede I would like to the marlins about twin peaks yeah. She would be all too happy to but yes so. Go Watch that it's amazing Michael Henderson to play the man from another place who I believe it's passed on. Maybe not I mean he was replaced in this. I think because of some not there was also unpleasantness. He's the one on human being that if I had ever been introduced to him I would have kicked him so hard. He would have flown into the sun. That is how terrified I was of him in Nineteen Ninety Ninety one anyway that does it for this episode of tights and fights this week. Your hosts were Daniel Radford Lindsey CALC along with me. How Lublin listened to my other podcasts. We got this mark in. How mark is is my my sweet boy. Mark is leaving me for a couple of months ago to Canada but the show will continue continue and we've got some fun episodes store special guests coming up in the incoming months very excited about and also listened to good morning tonight failed to welcome and Miguel Recap show as I'm speaking especially to Julian's friend was apparently if I had to offer tonight fail but if you out there also fans you should check it out. It's a good time books books books that please by Ibex. You could buy Hawaii by one in a million that one's very good you could buy your children's cinders and sparks these things would make me happy all if you you don't need books you could listen to full coverage cast which is also out the it's a makeup podcast. We will beauty in general but the pun- you know full coverage. It's upon occur. What am I thing I do you do do you so aside from watching honest trailers I'm going to be one of the people who's going to be live tweeting tweeting the Voodoo viewing party on Friday starting at six PM Pacific Standard Time. WE'RE GONNA be watching far from home. it is great. US joined in I know Voodoo is going to be giving away prizes and all that kind of stuff but also it helps me about if when you live tweet added you include my name so that they know I was the one who sent you okay bye yeah. There's no better way to celebrate the Spiderman coming back into the MC you again then to go to this viewing party and to support you don't have to go anywhere you just have to be on twitter and go out on your phone yeah and just a respond to me or include clued thing again so that the people since you heard. God's sakes not asking for a lot of people you can do it. I believe in you anyway our producers the Firefly Pun House. That's Julian barral senior. Maximum Fun is Laura Swisher. 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Bart Carny w/ Lindsay Katai

Everything's Coming Up Simpsons

55:37 min | 1 year ago

Bart Carny w/ Lindsay Katai

"Hi, Emily grits. And I'm here Prescott and everything coming up. Simpson's. I forgot my name and what I do. Brought to you by the ARD work simulator. But what are you asking? What are you asking? It's also brought to you by the tooth Chipper. Hey, guys out of my way, I'm Hitler. We are talking about them. Sewed part Carney. It is the twelfth episode of the ninth season of the Simpsons. It originally aired on January eleventh nineteen ninety eight it was written by John Schwartz Wilders by Mark Kirk Liz and the Sherman at the time was Mike Scully needing murderers row. Very good role of murderers row. Murderers, always assemble in a row, which is convenient. It's never columns. I'm bringing all the good stuff today. Juliet. Yeah. We've got some really great energy of top that I'm excited. It's you know, what why do we even why don't even want? Why should we even load this up with top matter? Why don't you into the good stuff? And you're right. Bring our guest into the room bring her in. You know, her you love her our guest this week is one of the co host of the podcast teen creeps. She's also right on the upcoming Cartoon Network series Infinity train. Please welcome to the show. Lindsey kaitai. Hi fi. They show. Thank you so much for having me and congratulations on pronouncing my name correctly. It was spelled phonetically. I want to say I already knew. So I get points. Get you didn't even have to tell me that other part. Would it? I know how do people normally mispronounce? It's almost always Qatar. It's also nobody's fault. Why would they know how to pronounce it and Prescott I feel like probably doesn't get too many. But you get you get a lot Prescott. Kids. Yeah. Garnish them, but that's not. I'm not mad as that. I'm I get physically mad, and I shouldn't 'cause it's so easy. But when people call me, Julie, Julie, you're not only on Email and my name right there. It's just Julius like this weird like mirror mirror, alternate universe. Kind of person who's babysitting your kids right now. Oh my God. If someone called me Alice game over, but I do get Gorz a lot. First name courts, Kurtz, I I just had an experience where someone I I went to a restaurant and somewhat as soon as my friend went to the bathroom. I was approached by waiter. Who was just like your alley Gorz? Right. I'm a big fan. I'm like, oh, thank you. And then I realized that this happened before at a different restaurant. It was the same man. And he still thinks my name is Ellie courts and like what a big fan and then to put him on blast. 'cause I doubt he listened to this. Alec my boyfriend who's been on the show. It was him. It was him. You meet. Got a text from an old co worker of his that said like dude there's this girl of following online. And I just ran into at this restaurant. And then I realized that your dating here. Sorry, man. It was just like oh, man. This person has gone so deep, but refuses to learn how to say my last name, I should. But it's not as bad as the person who tweeted at me once actually this is nice. Who said I thought your last name was goats. It's not I'm on following you. And then they did. And I think that that's how we all live our lives. They're living their best. They're the hero in their own story, absolutely heroes betrayed they must. Because frankly, when I read that I got mad that my last name wasn't goats as well. Like, how cute if I knew that was an option I would've done that. Yeah. Exactly. Sometimes you just need a reason, you know, you got a nuke something he got an something. Nothing Newington in this episode. But things are thrown lies told. Yes, there's. A lot of fun stuff hoop? Who? So bar Carney, which I realized that I've always been adding the word the in the middle of us reference to over the years, not Barth Kearney. Barney is such a great episode. It is a season nine Assode. Obviously. There are a lot of diehard fans who thinks who think that the Simpsons stop being good at eight. Nope. I firmly believe that season nine has amazing episodes, and his is absolutely still the golden era. Even though there were changes in, you know, Josh and billing log on the show. This episode is such a good episode. And I feel like would even be a good episode to introduce someone to the Simpsons like it's would be a great one. Yeah. Yeah. Because he totally get the dynamic, although Lisa's a little different in this episode. Talk about that. I'm very excited to hear your take on it before we talk about Lisa, just what are some Bradstock route, stroke reasons as to why this means something to why you love it. Well, partly I was going through the list of available. Reminding myself what all the episodes were. And then I was like, oh bark Carney, which is a play on. Art Carney for no reason. And then I went, and I looked and I saw you know, what the what the plot was when I remember that episode. That's good upset. I choose that up. Perfect. You had a favorite Assode or do, you know of all the if any of them were available to know, what your favorite episode would be and I'm an extended to fast five. Fest fi how that is hard because three this. Three. I the the one that always jumps out to be my favorite is the one where Bart breaks his leg. Pile of sugar. I think that might be my. Sugars episode. I wanna say actually the same episode because I. Because I thought they were two different episodes. And then I watched it was like, you've gotta be kidding me that there's so much. Good stuff one episode, but could be wrong. They have a terrible memory. We just watched the sugar one at Stonecutters. I finally went to Stonecutters for the first time in years, and it was excellent. It was Julius birthday birthday related. They are different episodes. But both great and win watching. What was the sugar episode though this episode that it's actually from is season nine as well which is Lisa's rival, which I also forgot what it's from. And then I looked it up. And now, I remember I will say that out of that Stonecutters at you at alley. My birthday. Did you say my husband has a birthday? He does. Happy birthday. And then I heard the my husband birthday, very cool. Husband will. Josh grobian. That's my mom for years. Joked that I she was like, I see you with him. Anyway. My husband Mike was there. And he's been on flood me cast, but he is not a super super diehard Susan's earned in the way that we are in this room. But he watched I think Lisa's rival for the first time. Wow. Or stone cutters and was taken by how great it is. But one thing he said that he particularly liked is that kind of story of like that, you know, female rivalry of like, we should be technically on paper everything points to we should be best friends. How come we are not? And you know, that it explored that theme through the lens of this animated show. He was really impressed by it's also insane that like their first of all historically, not many women writers. But certainly at the time zero women writers on the Simpsons. But that so many of those dudes had so much empathy in awareness, and obviously. I only think that we should be having a more diverse writing room. But it's pretty amazing looking back on it understanding, the landscape and stuff that at least they were having these characters that were dealing with real issues and not just like Lisa bought a new dress like like shift. There's always something more going onto it. And it is a very real issue of for for women and young girls as well. If like, you know, yes like you have to be rivals. Because there's there's only room for one. Let's it's just so good. But season nine has pieces rival and Bert Kearney. It is such a good season and season. Ten also has some really good stuff. And then you know, other podcasts tell you how every other after that has graced stuff. So everybody has different opinions about where I've been shuffling the hell out of my Simpson's world ABC guys and enjoying myself think that's amazing. I'm enjoying myself. So yeah, this episode was was left on the list, but everyone else's detriment, everyone detriment, but but they're definitely some great moments in this. So so let's just get into that. Sweet Wikipedia entry and Lizzy for this segment is a beloved segment for everyone that listens to the Simpsons podcast because it is when we read the synopsis of the episode ice cold, it's an important segment segment. Catches people up if they haven't seen the absurd awhile, and it could be good to be bad. Because who knows because anyone can edit anything special, but what's special is the journey world taking in this room in the episode. Homer and Bart start working at a carnival and befriend to father and son duo named cooder and spud. That's it. See so. You know, it's really the Wikipedia dice that were rolling. We we live in their world. You know disappointed in everyone who didn't write in that with Kapiti a- polluting me. I challenge to our listeners. Go update that right now why we have we asked our listeners to put us in it to say as famously covered everything. Thank you. But no, truly if you update that and it gets approved send us a screen shot. And we'll do something. Nice for you. Just love Google alert. That isn't about another. Julia like. Two. Getting her PHD in like a medical science. No. Elite Prescott doing so much better than me. True. They're just doing different. Thank you. Thank you. Happy for all of them that they don't have a podcast if they do. I bet it's not about the Simpson. And if it is stop it. Thank you. Close all Scots because that's how much I love you. That's how that goes. So obviously, there's a lot more to this episode, but not too much more to it to be honest because it is a classics where its water up that just has a very good fun kind of outside the norm store. The we stories flow feel so effortless. But they always hit like all the narrative beats make complete sense. Just like Homer fully believing in the Carney code and having that be his moral compass throughout the episode that then informs all of his choices is Italian chef kiss and. Tell me if you agree. But there's no be story in this. It's truly just the story at starts. And as you know, the impetus is that Marge is trying to instill some good lessons into her children. And then that is taken away from her when Homer suggests they I'll go to the carnival, and then it's off to the carnival. Yeah. I don't clues. They got to a B story is I believe when Homer says you can stay at our house and it cuts to March shudder. Did you just shudder? I don't know. The closest is like they're having their own night at home you right? And where is that up? We see and I'm up to what were they up to that night to know. This is a very funny March episode Martin had a few lines that really got me. But let's start at the beginning. Because there's there's an immediate character shift and Lisa, and I'm so curious about your thoughts. But we start we start with Marge trying to get Santa's helper to use to his business outside and Homer, remind her gently like if you want an animal to do something you had to them to first shift courses not going to go outside outside. Use me here majesty. So we see margin the yard. And we learned that it's that's one of the kids chores during a port job rattlesnake that bites. Netflix Anders, which is lovely, and then we actually get to see both Bart and Lisa acting pretty Barnish. They're both watching TV it is. They're deciding who has to change the channel or turn on the TV because one of them. Did it the week prior growth borderline upside down in the furniture? Yeah. So we got this came out in January. So I guess it could have put it. It's definitely summary episode like when you look at like never been beholden to like any seasons or except for treehouse of horror Christmas stuff. And I'm just trying to think of like what's going on with them that they're just they have so much time. But let's listen to this clip. And then and then kinda dissect maybe Lisa's attitude. So this is basically Marge March is trying to get them to do some work. And here's that goes Lange day, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. You don't deserve an allowance again day Nate naming that backyard is a. Disgrace. Not get busy a good suggestion. Mom will take under advisement. But I can't go out dressed like this. What if someone sees me, you're just going into our backyard, and we'll see you. All this stuff who we mow lawns scoop and bag dog business. There's gotta be a way out of this. We Trump hands. No, then who chop off my hands. All right, Utah my hands halfway off. And then I'll still have enough strength chop. First of all the kid. Logic is amazing. Yes joke is so funny. And you don't see Lisa's actual reaction Cummings. Oh, then shop. Yeah. I feel like she's surrendering to full kid right now. You know, they kind of like tilt the scales for her depending on what the story needs of like if if she's going to be sort of the moral grounding of it and steered in that way. But I love that. She's kind of just surrendering to like keta Lisi, boredom. Yes. Episode where Lisa isn't like hard hard core. Lisa. Yeah. Because they're few and far between at least in the seasons. I've watched probably up through ten. Yeah. Yeah. And we've talked about before how much we appreciate her getting to be a kid, and we see that a lot. This isn't the first time. But like, you know, can I have a pulled back, and I have pulled add or can we pulled up, you know? Itching scratchy land. Yeah. Yeah. That's one of my favorites. So good and very getting high off the water. Listen in the Duff gardens. So good. Yeah. I just think that you need Lisa also to not get in the way because otherwise you have two opposing forces to the carnival as opposed to just March. So they kind of had to make that they'd both be fun without making there be like. And then there's a like a brain teaser contest at the carnival. Right. I mean, like they just want to get you to the carnival immediately. And we get there pretty fast because right after that, they realized that the carnivals in town, and they no longer have money. So this would be like a good lesson for the kids and Homer immediately bursts in I feel so bad for margin that moment like she's trying so hard to have boundaries and be a good parent. And it's immediately. She's babysit undercut. Yeah. Exactly. So we get the carnival, and oh, we didn't even talk about their outfits, by the way. They're so glad that you brought his little. Yeah. I wrote just wrote in all caps, lease Birt's house workout. I believe there is a son illustration on a, you know, overall situation on one of them they've got straw hats. Like a little sunflower. I had overalls like that for sure. Very interesting. I remember kid overalls fucking rules like whenever like young enough to wear kit. Overall, fucking get it. I love these overalls in this moment. It also feels like it's this weird like extra in a production of Oklahoma kind of costume that. They're kind of rock, and it's it's great Oklahoma. There's a lot of really great flexing coming from the inside of this just in like things like this design with the their costumes. I'm calling them costumes real people costume. And then when we get to the carnival. There's a lot of really fun sign gags that we can see too many guns one quick thing. And then I'll stop obsessing over leases attitude in this. But one of the lines. I don't think was in that clip. Was that Marge is making them lemonade thinking that she's going to go out to like two very good workers. And then they're both back on the couch. And she's like what what are you doing back in here in Barr says work was hard? So he quit. She says what Lisa says hard work made us quit. It's so funny and horrifying if that was your child, but so funny. Acting not like Lisa create some of my favorite episodes because Lisa's rival where she's the dumb one who just like Jeremy's iron. Fired. I love the episode. Where Homer goes to the chili. Yeah. And contests and then trips out and meets the FOX and wonders if he and merger meant to be an every time it cuts to Lisa Bart in that they're so much on the same page. I think they're only two interactions. The first one is Barton lease at the kitchen table and Bart saying so I says to Mabel and Homer Russia's in and ask them something. And he leaves. So I says to mobile. The other one of their brushing their teeth, and they see a shadow of Homer projected in the sky is that Batman like that. Or there is that dad that or batmans really let himself. They're on the same page when they're working together. And it's like that strong sibling nece because we get so many episodes like the Bart show in a way. And then Bart is on Lisa side in Lisa's rival to the hosting of lifetime. I love just to this would be very good. Simpson's trivia team. Name Homer is very excited to see lobster boy and girl that is. I love it. Of course, something that. I remember thinking was hilarious as a kid is that the one of the things that Bart is the most excited about is the yard work simulate simulator, which was one of our sponsors believe, of course, tooth Chipper a home. Yep. Definitely. The check did pass. And I love that Marge's is reminding him that he shouldn't be going on this because he's had like a quadruple like heart bypass. A rare moment for the census to reference another episode in that way. Yeah. And so she was like, don't you? Remember, she he just like clearly not and then he goes on. And then we hear all the kids hit their teeth. But then he goes, oh, my heart. I love that. I also want to say I couldn't help it. Write this down just going heart condition kit out here. It's such a crazy way to respond to life threatening thing. Video wife to talk to your wife like that. It's really funny. And here's where we kind of learned that Homer has a affinity a true love of Kearney's, and that their noble people, which is lovely. And it makes sense. No, real rat face peop-. Looking really feel like this line is particularly swelled. The he's a Carney in Kern is built this country carnival part of the country. It's like his jokes tend to have trapdoors until other bits jokes. And so I just feel like he's really good at those kind of runs and there's a run later when they're in the tree house that I I mean, we gotta talk about. But it's like so like swertz wilder at his finest. I feel. Yeah. When it comes back again that last time the joke in the tree house, and it was like. Didn't you coming? Let's take a quick break. And think about what we all have not seen coming. Lots of things I I guess so. Hi, it's Allie cook ash, one of the cast members of mission to six and new addition to the max fun network. We're blown away by the welcome. We receive from Exxon listeners telling us discover the show binging card. Supporting string the drive and just being grad. Humans all around vision. Six is improvised, obsessively sound design scifi comedy epic clung group of embassador as they explore the end of space. I play Dr that foot tall Omni sexual security officer with for skills, chest talent and a series of flaps and shoots that are four. You'll figure it out. 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The scariest thing technician who screened a light bulb and blue right? It just like was such a cherry on top. That moment happens when they're in the shitty dark ride. And then when they come out there's a moment there's just a beat that they share between like the guy running. And he just goes, I'm sorry. Duped you and I knew it. One of the moments. I is the absolute funniest, and I don't know why it's not super-popular is crusty. The clown standing next to. Good job. You should set it up because it's so good. So we just got Christie's not in the rest of the episode at all. But it cuts to that a carnival game where you're shooting water and a clown's mouth, and he's the he's just standing at the very end of all the face, and it keeps getting water squirt it in his mouth, and he's just like, I don't know. Time. I stand. Only were on such Angie right here out about this. So good. Speaking of being duped. Here's when we actually get the introduction to cooter. And his son. Do oh, I think. Bud. Think it's I think it's funny that they said the father and son duo skits, just a father and son. You don't they're not a perfect performance. There's a lot of like fuzzy logic to like he said his name's cooter and that is son's name spot. And then later in the episode their last name is the Cougars. I don't know man fucking goes all the way to the top. You know, where the trail is question. What Mr. couture's I to name is. 'cause he's just called by. Things but cooter. Anyway, I like that the dynamic between the two of them kind of look like a weird version of Homer and BART's and not dissimilar to the shake harder. Boy. Yes, family, and I love they're they're basically looking for for rubes and in this case pigeons, and they cut to Homer as a pigeon, and it's very very good. Corset cartoon gag. It's very good. And basically, we see home, of course, is going to completely be gullible to anything like this. And he tries to win. You know, the ring toss game that's ever gonna work, and he fails and cooder says, you know, I'm dad myself. You know, here he go, and he gives them this giant novelty comb, which is such a funny gift, which just the Thome say like kings among men, and then we have a Bart getting into an automobile of a famous nature, and we're gonna play that clip. You're looking at eight off Hitler's personal limousine. It's roomier than Bonnie, and CLYDE tiff car and was the first automobile to come with far fig newgen. Wow. You're a Riddick. There are Suma say Hitler skeleton in the trunk other say just to spare tire. I'm a busy, man. So I haven't chicken. One of these most activate the frame thrower. Nine high school football. Hitler. This leads to this leads to basically, the the person who's running the carnival to say that. Bart needs to pay up to Homer says like he doesn't have any money look at his clothes. Very funny thing to say about your own son, the carnival also never turns to Homer is like when you need to pay just thinks he's some standard by. Yes. And so this leads to the reason that they are going to work at the carnival, which is great it just from a from a writing perspective. What a good way to get you on the base you're supposed to be so smooth. It also gives us the line. You wrecked Hitler's car? What did he ever do? To you punch is him. It's so great. This is an interesting episode to because there's no like very. Separate colder. I guess cold open. Yes. Sorts that like if you don't know where and how it's going to lead you to the plot. This is like very straightforward a carnival crimes. And then they work at the carnival. I sometimes it's a little bit more linear, which I mean, it's fine. It's still works at swertz bowler. Perfect. But I wanna talk really quick about something that I believe it in the moment as I'm watching this episode. But if you really stare hard at it, it kind of gets fuzzy, but the talking camel so produces one of my favorite jokes does. It's so good. Yeah. What do you wanna walk through that moment? Well, I was just real quick. I wanted to say that when he's doing the Hitler's car presentation Homer is in fact, combing his with. Great just no attention drawn to it. So he says he they have wrecked his like manage man attraction, and then walking by is a talking camel named Hummer I'm free and who who's very offended by this. And. He apologizes. But what's great? Is that right after they're like, okay? You'll work at the carnival the button to the scene is margin. Saying well, we just saw the most amazing camel. He was wearing a hat. Wearing. Yes, great. I love it. So, but did you have a problem with talken Campbell? I mean, it the way I could see if I may like imagine the argument in the writer's room of like we bend the world. So that it like so much that doesn't break like this is maybe taking it a step too far. But I think that the concession of like, but other joke is that other characters are going to basically comment on everything. But this thing so I think that it was a good balance in the end, you know, and the jokes are really funny of like a hat this that, but in the moment, I'm like watching it and just, you know, thinking about all those kind of arguments surrounding that makes sense. It's not something I thought in the moment, but I get to. Sorta the stick in the mud in the Infinity train room because all like argue about the rules of the world, right? And whether or not that's appropriate or I've gotten in a fight with people in sketch groups before where it's like we can't that's to that too had on a hat. But I in this because he's a an attraction at a carnival. Yeah. Yeah. Think just because of that too. But it just was also alarming. It made me realize that like we don't see that at all really in the Simpsons in that the, you know, we're going to see animals that are like if Morphing any way it's through itchy and scratchy or an intensity pepper that may. Maybe there are some crazy absurd moments. One of them is like, but but it could be written off as like, well, this is someone immagination like we have that little I forget the name of the character. But that little floating alien guy who talks to Homer. That's a Flintstone. Yes. And then he goes. But one I believe it's swertz welder who came up with the win. What is his name Kurt? When Kirk is is holding a sandwich up in the air when he's driving his car any saying he wishes was cut in half. Then there's like this wire that cut his arm off. And it's like something where everyone in the room was just like you could do that. I didn't know that. That was a joke that we can make something to that effect. And so if there were one man to do it, I think it's this guy. But it is an interesting study, and I'd like a super cut of those please listeners that would be great. Yeah. Just just of those very silly absurd moments and not just ending with like, you know, who wears short shorts who likes hot pants. Yeah. Called apropos of nothing. Yeah. We have one more clip. This is win basically love this. Yeah. So when when Homer and BART's decide to become Kearney's decide to become there. They recruited even the recruitment is funny. We get moments of Homer saying it's like, you know, you know, forget, I think the guy who owns it is saying just like are you gonna get drunk and and make a big mess USA psych. Sure. If you'd like me to all, right? And we get them in there, and they are taking over spot and Cougars ring toss game, and they learned that. It's fake homers. Extremely moronic in this and keeps trying to buy it even though he knows. Anyway, he says what do we do about refunds bar is clearly left in charge. And when when Agnes and Skinner come by. It's very clear that the game is completely rigged. And this leads to some trouble from the police massive. Here's that clip. Incorrupt your fun by. Is I got a few complaints that your game is crooked. And oh. Oh, I hate to close you down. Maybe we can reach little understanding here. Do stand. Dad? I I think he wants. Gaddi talking to a policeman. Put it this way. I'm looking for my friend Bill. Have you seen any Bill around here? Though, he's bird. Listen carefully and watch me, wink, as I speak. Okay. Okay. Bye guy. I'm really looking for wink is miscarried bribe, wink, wink. It's a ring toss game accent. I'm shutting this game down. It's very good. I love a I know that. Julia loves Wakeham in particular. So I was happy that he made quite a few appearances there couple moments that we missed just win spotted explaining to Bart how this works and one of them was particularly like of the voice of Johnson Twitter because he and other Simpson's guys really love old thirty slang. I wonder if that's where I got that. Sure for me to now, you're on the trolley. That's a spot. I also love that. When Homer supposed to be looking for a rube. He points to a guy that is like clearly like the snaky assed lightning chart. Oh my God. It's so good. He's that. But basically, this is when we get, you know, Homer realizes that he kinda messed up and want follow the Carney code and offers that the the two of them move in. And that's when we get that great March shutter, and I feel so bad for her during this because they arrive at the house the guys don't even wear shoes. She's like let me get a coaster for your feet, and we get spud doing that. Very very disgusting. Unhinging of all of his joints. Great. I could would you ship it what you see spot. About in. Bart. Yeah. I ship that. Yeah. It is interesting that to such similar characters did not have like a friendship more explored through this episode. I kind of wasn't time. Yeah. And I'm glad they didn't because but maybe a future episode maybe upset I feel like we need to vote at least a minute on buds rat tail. Be very inspired and inspiring inspiring and joined it quite a bit. It was a time capsule of the time. And also, I guess today's time depending on what region you're rolling through. Oh, speaking of time, let's say with Greg. Hi, I'm Joe Firestone. Moreno Dr game show, which is a podcast where we play games submitted by listeners, regardless of quality or content with in-studio goose an callers from all over the world to win a coastal magnets to make sure you get our next episode. An example of a game Manolas or medication. How you play that you have to guess if something's poking on name for medication time listener if you want to listen to episode highlights and also know how to participate follow duck a game show on Facebook Instagram Twitter love to hear from you. Love to hear from you, truly fun. The whole family will be every other Wednesday starting March thirteenth, and we're coming to max fun. You mine. Mine. Oh my God. During that break. We all got rat tails days look bad, I beg to differ. Well, but if that means you're doing it right for they look good. Thank you. You get it. Wanted to say one of my other favorite jokes is when principal Skinner and his mother are passing their booth before they've fucked it all up. Yeah. To try to entice them over. Bart says, hey, sir. Would you and your lovely wife over here, and there somehow both flattered not just hurt it? It. It's just. Perfect for their relationship. It's so funny that also down that moment, I think this is when this happens, but Skinner says depart tell me is it actually possible to win this game. And Bart says if I like, you it is and Skinner goes hot. I love a good like Skinner's delusional about what their relationship is anytime other outside of school. It's a good joke. Yeah. And speaking of hot dogs when they are setting up the Karni how they're playing the the song that's called like moody, mourn or something. It's that springtime tuten. They're setting up. How useful this is? And there are two rats that are just running on a hot. Stop and a treadmill. It really got me. I won't that episode as well. So we're at the dinner table, and you know, this is not the first time that Homer has brought guests over, but they're actually quite charming, and they're actually getting some credit and March is putting up with a lot including earlier when bar or what Homer trying to describe how cool they are. He saying like the older one can take out his left eye. And then you hear like the the rolling on the ground and her screaming, it's so funny to refer to to a dad is the older one. Hearns a friend here. There's this moment where Bart steals Marge's pearls through the guys of a hug. Yeah. She looks naked without. And. View are. I was like Luna sweet moment like sitting bar tender. And then I was tracked. But this this setup leads to one of my very episode. And I'm sure you guys all agree. But basically, they're the, you know spot and Kuda are talking about how they're going to possibly repay the family. And so they take them on a glass boat ride. Take tickets go right while they stay at home at who knows? What's next then? But with the families they're just looking through and we get another reference to note. Simpson's episode. We get the Lil little Lisa slurry from the episode where she makes the, you know, slurry fish heads of Mr. burns, which is a little nod. We get a moment of them looking through and seeing a FINA that's our sister ship. It took eight souls just last week. And they're wondering like how did the shark do that? And we see Homer and Bart essentially flashing thing. But this is all to lead up to what I think is the funniest thing in this episode, which is marched looking at the bottom of the call. Car and saying that she wishes that there were glassbottom cars, and she's just looking to sensually less than six inches off the ground is just saying I just can't help. But wonder what we're missing the ground. It is so cute the best Marge lines charm glassbottom. She just as it is. So grateful. I love it. It's really sad that it all had to end completely. And that's all that ended. They get back to the house then along there why? Because those Carney's that we thought were their friends know are squatting in a bad way. Why they gave them tickets to a glass bottom boat. Give orders they use those tickets as a diversion to calm them. The episode ends why? And then it becomes the Cougars. I love that show. That's where that. Everything's coming up. Everything's coming up. Seymour. I think he's talking to you. Amazing backdoor pilot would've been I would watch that fascinated by backdoor pilots that would have been a really like this is reminding me of a may get the adult swim show wrong. I want to say it's aqua teen hunger force, but it may be another show, but there's like some super inside baseball, but they tweak the name of the show every season to be slightly different internally. So that like if you are working on the show every season is season. One of this new. Which kind of rules, and kind of sucks, I guess for like, I'm Devi reasons. That's all I think it's aqua teen. Oh, figure it somebody will tell me, but anyway, digress. So here's what's going on when the Cougars squat. I was wrong about the clues dad. They're the nicest of all the transient us ever brought home. Weird Gators fit. This. Let's go. What do you do? That's ours. Now, tell us where the extra sheets aren't get off our property Gish squatting in our house. You can't do that to me. What about the Carney code? Kurti took over our house. You go to help us look here. Mr. no, bribe Sheryl. Yeah. Jess shit down. And wait for detective like I give a damn. Thank you so much, dad. Honey, did he's waiting for the detective. More poor everyone is affiliated with Homer truly frustrating. I do feel like much in the way that they've kind of dialed down Lisa's like go-getter immoral compass. They've dialed up Williams competency in this episode to kind of serve jokes which fun with or I guess he's just very good at being bad cop. That's a good point. That's that just is a we've come back falls under the umbrella bad cop. Yeah, you're right. You're right. That was my point is that you are wrong. Thank you and the podcast is over for him. It's my podcast. I'm a cooter. So I want to talk about how this is the at least the second upside where we have been more. But I think maybe. This is another episode where someone from the outside comes in and points out. How good this since have it. I'm referencing. Frank Grimes coming in and say, lobster for dinner and herb to probably those. Yeah. So this is in the in the three through five. Thirty air or out burns his air. But his brother played by Rodney Dangerfield. I feel like he comes in. But generally, oh, you son. Sorry. I feel like he's generally well by everything. Yeah. But I love people going into the Simpsons household because as we know it's supposed to be kind of like just middle America. Not Maher is supposed to be like your average American household, lower middle-class. Exactly. And and it's a nice reminder of like that's pretty good. And I love seeing cooter in Homer's, very roomy clothes and say look at me, I'm a millionaire and him saying like you. Well, daddy, look like JAMES BOND. Like, blue jeans and a white tender father son relationship, even if it's like kind of in a paper moon kind of weird way God, I kind of like boxcar bandits. But the family at this point is living in the tree house, and I know that we have hinted at a runner, and so I would love for for you to walk us through kind of what's happening here and what that runner as well. I believe it starts. So they're spitballing. How can we get the Cougars out of our house and believe it is I Bart who suggests fire house down March says we're not burning the house down. Then Lisa says, I think I know a fire show we sit down and then after Homer falls out of the tree house from trying to put on his pants. Great bit of physical comedy. It's very funny when he gets back in he's about to suggest something and. Oh, and then somehow like by the you've like been like, okay. Well, there's our we've gotten it. We're moving on, and then they're discussing discussing and then out of nowhere Homer again says but have we thought of a fire like that? It's amazing. I feel like the up to his last line is like I got it. We got a play if we're gonna like go to tote with these Carney's we have to play by their own rules fun. It's a great has gotten to the conclusion. But somehow he says fire I love it. It's great. So at the at the end of their planning, they they seem to come up with an idea. And if you're watching it for your first time, and you know, how stupid Homer is it's very likely that you got tricked in are surprised in the happily pleased by how I didn't find it. Too predictable. Also such a traditional story structure. Yeah. For before. Like when you have no idea, what is actually going to happen. It's like, yes. This makes sense ran a ring toss ride. They lost them. Their ring toss ride. Now, they're going to play the ring toss right to get the house back. This makes story sense. It story method almost makes me mad at how simple it is. Been good in funny. Yeah. That's what had happened because he's trying to throw over the chimney like. Oh, yeah. I could see going this way. Yeah. Because it's entirely unlikely. But maybe he's gonna it's gonna be amazing magical in work. But he says that he is going to give them the deed of the house. So the going to legally own it, and they agree. And as soon as he's about to throw the hula-hoop he just gets the whole family to run and go back and some which I feel like it's a move that they have repeated a couple times. But I love it. I love that kind of like, you know, subverting that expectation the diversion of the other characters, and then we get a really lovely ending of this episode about a man and his butt groove. Though, there's just the moment between spot and cooder where you know, spot a saying just like, oh, you know, he really got you is just like, well, there's no shame in being beaten by the best. And he's like, well, he didn't seem that smart. We were beaten by Bennie. Jim varney? Been touched on the fact that it's Jim Varney doing this character. Hey. The house as well. We see that Lisa is hosing down the furniture and other good moments of fun. And here's something that's really funny too. Is that you know, Homer is looking at those two characters outside the window and is feeling really sorry for them. It's just like he starts in a triumphant white like look at those guys. No place to go. Nowhere to sleep. Oh, can we maybe let them stay here for a couple of nights? Just get away from the window. Because sympathizer characters totally sense that you'd feel bad for them. But of course, it's a cartoon. We need our our family to go back to normal. But that's what we get March tapping the groove which was mentioned earlier that he he was able to hear or I think he was maybe fearful that they were messing up the buck groove. As was Lisa yelling just like released spent valve like over the soup. I think that's a joke that I remembered teenager release the spit. And then we get the great groove me baby. As outra song. I could not I was sitting there. Just like. How much did it cost them? To play this song at the end of the episode. That's how much the joke meant to them is they paid and that's gotta to be expensive. But they paid for that song just to play while Homer. Just little butter on. Couch playing now. Oh, damn damn. Nineteen ninety eight FOX money. That's true. Is this is the good times? Roll like who cares were burning hundred dollar bills. Hang on a Cartoon Network show. That hasn't aired yet. I was just like, oh, wow. The money. Yeah. I feel I feel you know, because I feel like especially now, and we don't need to get into this discussion of like it's the wild west out there. Because if you look I have that conversation every other day about entertainment right now. But it is so like pinching pennies of everything where you get that cold sweats of like. You can you really like even mentioned another product without giving them like heaps of money disarmed. So there was one lesson from this episode. What do you think that would be? It could even be within our conversation. I think it's that. You should have a good could like a firm knowledge of nineteen thirty slang. It's just going to serve you well in life, and even foresee absolutely. I think that's just that's the ticket that that we're all on the trolley. Yeah. I didn't even get to ask. If you guys were given the choice, would you become Carney's? I don't think that you're giving choice. It's kind of like it just happens to you like to. Yeah. Calling mauling. So yeah, I would have no choice. Yeah. If I if I would be I would be. Yeah. I'd be at now. Yes, I wouldn't be here in some ways entertainment is like being Carney. Let's try like that MO is getting his fortune read and the lady predicts that he's in grave danger. Card. That's a lot of good stuff. You haven't seen this episode awhile? Definitely watch it because as you could tell a lot of good jokes. I don't know if this one gets much love is it deserves. I don't think it does. And I think because I feel like nine deserves our love season nine definitely deserves our love. And I feel like if anybody is because you know, we'll fall into these Twitter threads every now, and then of people who have they're like full adults, and they have never had that Simpson's experience because of maybe their parents, forbidding them or whatever life circumstances curiosity of like, where's the entry point to really start? I feel like this episode is really good. But I would also say just do a search for a swertz wilder episode, and you will never be steered wrong, in my opinion. Well, thank you so much in the show. Yeah. What can you plug where people finding line? Well, you can check out my podcast team. Creeps me. And my co host telly telly Kujat Kelly new Jin discuss why Pulp Fiction of the eighties and nineties. So Christopher pike Earl Stein, Lois, Duncan, try your both welcome on the show and tying would like to come on you, very fine. 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Ep. 148: "One Fall" w/ David F. Walker and Brett Weldele

Tights and Fights

54:15 min | 1 year ago

Ep. 148: "One Fall" w/ David F. Walker and Brett Weldele

"Combines and. Pau. No perfect wrestling. Dad. This is. Ties. We talk we joke. We, we talk we joke, we pod, it'll make sense later, welcome to tights, and fights, the show that discusses wrestling with sincerity and hilarity deserves. I'm holy cow Lublin, and I'm doing today by my fellow member of the nation of conversation will be here in scant moments. And that is Dan. Dan, the wrestling fan yell Radford. She liked that Ed, she's not here. But I know she would have enjoyed that we are also joined by special guests, they are the creators of the upcoming comic series. One fall, which is about a cursed third generation wrestler, taking on supernatural monsters for profit, family and survival. I love it already. I hate that I have to wait for it. I we have writer David f Walker talker and pop locker good to have David a good to be here. Thanks for having me, of course. Also joining us is artists Brett no sell. Well, daily great to have you as well. Thanks for having me. So before we get started, and I want to talk about one fall. I have a lot of questions. I know Danielle does as well seems like such a great project. I want to back up a little bit and talk about how both of you got into all this, your time is wrestling fans sort of what got you hooked. And and how that's bled into into your work. David. Why don't you go first or you want me to go first? Yeah. How did I get in the comics headed? I get into wrestling, which, which do or how did had it Britain, I come together to form this unholy alliance. I'm interested the two manpower trip. I'm interested in in both I'm wondering did. They start at the same time. How did they parallel? One another. You know where they always sort of intertwined for you? So I've been into comic since I was a little kid. We're talking four or five years old. So that's been a lifelong thing professional wrestling didn't really show up on radar. I was in junior high. I moved from the east coast to the west coast. To Portland, Oregon specifically. And there's a pretty big wrestling scene in Portland. This is in the early eighties on Saturday nights. And so all the kids at my school were always talking about wrestling Monday morning. Roll around. They talk about these late night matches at run TV. It was, you know, guys like playboy, buddy rose, and you know, this is back when, when wrestlers would sort of go on the circuits. So it's been a long time. It comes and goes because men it he can just take all of your time, you know, so, you know, and I have known each other for a very long time. Been talk about doing a project together, and he came to me in in he can elaborate on the second. He said, you know, basically said, let's professional wrestling book, and I was like, okay, and that's, that's sort of how that came together. He's way more into current wrestling than I am. I tend to I hate to say, I tend to be fair weather these days, but they're still a big play. For it in my heart. There's just there's just never enough time. Absolutely. And there hasn't been a lot of weather lately, on WWE programming. Unfortunately, Brett tell me where you're wrestling, phantom started, and your love, comics, and what are you digging right now? What walk me through? It. Light David, I started with comics really early. I was about five when I started getting into and decided by age eight or nine that that was kind of what I wanted to do. And so that phantom has always been there wrestling was something kind of, like David that I didn't have a ton of exposure to growing up. But I didn't really get into it until college during the attitude era. But then after college I you know, I, I kinda got out of it, or, you know, blocked from it was early two thousands, and, you know, I just kind of wandered away from it, and it wasn't until, you know, twenty fifteen twenty sixteen that sort of by chance I live down the street from where the Portland trailblazers play, and that's all the arena stuff comes in and sawn ad for a smackdown house show coming through, and my girlfriend, and I had both been talking about having grown up a little bit with wrassling, but hasn't been out of for while. And so we were just like, hey, let's what the heck it's cheap. Let's, let's go. Check it out. And we had blast. And it just sucked us both right back in and. Yeah. So it's, it's become sort of, you know, this obsession and because, you know, the nineties didn't have the social media Specht of it all of the story, like I love story on visual storyteller. I think that's one of the things that I really gravitated towards when I got back into wrestling was the visual storytelling aspects of it. But also, like just all of the interesting drama, both real and manufactured and kind of wear that line blurs and look what Israel, let's not, and that's become really fascinating. And I'm I'm pretty current with a lot of a lot of the stuff going on. We have really good wrestling promotion up here called defy digging day w so far. And here we are. Yeah. Yeah. So, so now with that in mind. Talk to me a little bit about how this project came about. And how where does the germ of an idea start? Where do you get to? How does it get to the point where you're like, all right? We know this is what we're doing. Let's put it on Kickstarter in and get the pitch out throughout my career leg. I've done a lot of creator on books in, Dave been always sort of centered around some sort of interest. I have in. I was I was trying to get work on a certain well known wrestling project to another company. I was waiting around on that not getting an assignment. And so I started going like you know if I was doing my own wrestling book, what would it look like what would it be? And I brought it to David and a local comics on that we weren't really doing much at. I thought he would be a really good partner in figuring out not just what to do with this, but he also had a really strong interest in exploitation, films, and going back to sort of the attitude era stuff like it feels very much like an exploitation film. I'm in a lot of ways in some of the nineties filmmaking definitely kind of spiraled into, you know, a lot of the WWF stuff. So wanted to blend elements that I've always loved Trump streetfighter mortal Kombat, stuff like that. So it's really just a mishmash of a lot of our sort of called movie interests, and, and everything else that we do. Yeah. It's, it's to build on were saying it was we've been talking about clarity on something for at least ten years, if not longer. And, you know, and it's one of those things like when you when you run into a friend at the grocery store, something go. Hey, we should hang out more. And then you never hang out more. Right. And, and so we kept talking about Claverie aiding and then finally, like, I guess it was about a year ago, or so maybe a little bit more. You know, we, we like Brett said, we were at a convention, and it was we both rely yet it's time to do this. Let's, let's do something, you know what? Because the first thing that popped in my head was as much as I love the matches. I was also really dictated to the behind the scene stories, you know. Moso and so kidnaps, so and so's life. And then brainwashed her and now she's, you know, expecting triplets that sort of stuff. I love that. And I was always kind of disappointed that, that stuff never got more tension and that sort of where things really started to come together. Because I, I was like, do we wanna try to compete with while the other wrestling comics that are just sort of doing straight narratives or do we want to get a little nutty in creative? In the moment, Brett said, yes, he wanna do that. I was like, okay we're gonna have some fun with this. So one fall started out as a, a Kickstarter that you raised almost double the amount of money, you're asking for a closed in March mazal tov on that. And I know I know once you've had a successful Kickstarter, you move onto sort of the logistics fulfillment stage. So where are you with that in, in your process? Now, we're in now that we're in mid June. All orders have been fulfilled. An hour working on issue too. And I should say, more clearly, I'm. The one who's in like to always through my artists under the bus, go the artists behind schedule. But it's really me I'm the one who's behind schedule on issue to, and it's interesting because I just got an Email from someone the other day that was like, hey, how can I get one phone? And I was like, oh, man, we don't have the store isn't up on the website, yet, and comic solidly, which is the leading digital comics website, they can take up to four months to prove your submission, so retina will he doesn't know this yet. He's hearing this for the first time we'll get together next week and hash out some stuff and they'll have have. Fortunately, we live right down the street from each other's, so I love that we can be not only a place to talk about wrestling and comics, but a scheduling. Google calendar was down yesterday. Fuck those guys, we're up all the time, just come on can make plans Brett yet plans. You gonna meet a couple of days. Genio is here and wants to ask some questions before we get back into wrestling Danielle jump in. Sorry. I just sat down. And then had a suite of I guess they make a mango LaCroix now is a good looks like it's not that good mend. But I'm going to drink it because I'm thirsty high fellas nice to meet you. The you LaCroix gross just so you know, I love LaCroix listened to start off at serially. Lacroix's. Cancel has it been canceled in Canada. We don't like, because it used to be anywhere, where comedy was happening like a pyramid of LaCroix. There's this cheaper alternatives now. But tonic water like everyone's in the game. Everyone's in the in the hint of flavor game string normal water. I don't know what you're talking about. If you do have a question, if you want to if you need a sack, or if you want to jump in, you can jump in go ahead because I have some, I have a couple can you give everybody who's listening here. Who may not have heard of one fall yet, which is their fault. Like, goodness. We've already mentioned it like a bunch of times, you should've paused got and founded already give everybody the, the, the story about give us the pitch. Well, the, the first issue of one fall introduces our lead character for guiding Jimmy king also known as the resurrect their third generation wrestler, whose afflicted with the family curse, which is he dies. And then it comes back to life, which is, you know, inspired in, in some ways by some of the storylines during attitude era in even before that. And, and so we find him in, in a match he's actually wrestling under a different name in the mask trying to hide it as identity. Tired of getting killed in the ring. Yeah. And and but he's tricked into a cage match with aware wolf and early on. We, we start to realize, okay, wait a sec this world is completely different than the world that we know and, and as the story unfolds as we is moving to shoot two and beyond what we're going to see is that it's taking place at this crucial time where there's all these different promotions all over the world. But there's one greedy promoter trying to consolidate everything he's trying to fill Lyn all the other promotions takeover all the territories. And we start to see you know, it's a time when, when cable and pay per view is just becoming a big reality. And, and, and so we're gonna see how resurrect or you know fits into this world. And what we start to realize as the story unfolds as well. Is that? Wrestling is in this world. It's even more everything than it is our world. If that makes sense it's, you know, the president of the United States is a former wrestler, and it's, it's all kinds of stuff like that, that we start to see that there really is. No baseball, no basketball. No football. Everything is wrestling world. Right. As it should be. Yeah. Should be. David, you do not watch current product really. But Brett, you do watch current product, I'm curious, who each of your favorite wrestlers of all time are, and then and then Bret who do you like that? You're watching now if it's some if it's someone different time guys. Or you know you got stone cold in undertake earn. Oh, there's just so many somebody from that era that are amazing car guys, though. You know, I love guys on AWS. I'd like Pentagon. Also love all the guys are currently getting buried in WW elections gay of and. Yeah. Yeah. There's so much. So many talented people that are just not being used as well as they could be. And I'm hoping that with all the opportunities out there to make product at that people are getting a chance to show what they can actually do as opposed to just being told what to do and not being that creative. Yeah. Like someone on squared circle on read it did chart of like how many people there are just like how many wrestlers WWE his scooped up between an x t t u k Dino smackdown and raw and to five live and they have right now on those rosters. Let me grab that number 'cause I wanna make my guests in the meantime, yeah. Five million two hundred twenty. Hundred and forty three point two your close, but it's actually two hundred one too many two hundred and, and that doesn't even count people who are at the performance center, who are like getting ready to make their next debuts. They have two hundred one people across all rosters. And yet we're only seeing, you know the same fifty well now. Well card rule. We just see the same five bucks. Yeah. The breadwinners dead, David, who's your favorite wrestler of all time, I think about the guys as watching when I was a kid and the two that stand out the most of it was always really into Roddy piper, and junkyard dog. Those are the two that when I was a kid growing up. I just love watching to them, and I loved, you know, piper piper's pit. And, and he sort of embodied to me that talking about the writer in me that that was drawn to wrestling. It was the personas it was it was the way he came across. So. Yeah, I think I think it might be piper. And there's something about j Whitey that really appealed to me. I remember when he died in the nineties, that was I was sort of back in a little bit. And then he died, and that was so devastating to me. I was one of the things like I remember really clearly a friend of mine calling me from money lived in York, and he was like, oh, my God. You. You won't believe who just died junkyard dog. And I was like what, and it was this weird feeling. And that sort of actually brought me back into wrestling for while. And like I said, it's always been sort of hit, or miss, because, you know, especially in the nineties the mid to late nineties, you could just you could lose all your time, watching wrestling and bathrooms. Bret said social media. It's even more. So the, the one interesting thing I forgot to leave out was I hid apply for job at back when was still f- when it was WWF back in the early nineties, I guess it must be eighties. Early nineties CLYDE for job there. And, and spent a long time trying to get work working for them in the like the story development pardon. Right. And it never worked out. So I feel like maybe one fall is me scratching that it's that I had like when I was nineteen or twenty yet. 'cause like definitely, you know, you talk about your love of mortal Kombat, and I'm a huge fan. I probably make way too many mortal Kombat references. But that was initially what brought me into wrestling during the attitude era, because there was all that. Supernatural undertaker stuff. I believe my first episode of raw was the episode where they had tied Stephanie. Up to that lake fake crucifix, like taker symbol. And I was watching that. And I was like, oh shit. This is mortal combat like wrestling is this, this thing were there any moments of watching wrestling, where you really saw the parallels between, you know, the supernatural and all the stuff that you brought to the book, one of the things that we talked about early on, was that, you know, wrestlers are essentially, superheroes innocent, and, you know, the bigger than life, personas, and, despite that there's all this interest in wrestling, and there's interested superheroes that comics haven't done a whole lot with that. There are some wrestling, comics out there. Most of them are licensed of real people and just seem like completely unexplored that you could take the framework of wrestling in the matches and everything else. How how they tell stories and do so much more with it that they aren't. And there's there's so much of the story that gets gets lost in that we can do something that. That has that sort of superheroes battling each other kind of thing and give it a world, which that supports that the do something a little different. That's great. I'm kind of curious for each of you your opinion of any talked a little bit about this. This is this comic for you. Particular David zero opportunity to sort of take story ideas, you would have had inspired by wrestling and take them out into the like the degree and bring all these other pop culture pieces. But I'm curious what each of you think about wrestling as it exists now of medium to tell stories I wrestled is amazing format to tell stories in both in the ring and outside of the. I've been a big fan past few years of how Lucho underground tells their story. It's made a little differently than your normal wrestling show is. But it's great how how Phil mic it was. And how they brought in some of these supernatural elements in a way that wasn't cheesy. It was just really well made and the initial self with AWS I think I think is really good for a this is serious wrestling here as much as you can bag on. WWE Leka still, I still love them like, yeah. It's still, it's still fun. It's hard to watch three hours of what they're doing, you know, at at a sitting these days. I'm still gonna watch stomping ground this weekend. Wants to the bar. We we go to a bar and the big wrestling groups there. I remember when there used to be bars that were like this is where you would go to watch pay per view, like this was a wrestling bar, like in the same way that there are bars, you'd go to watch the World Series. Yeah. Mine was hooters was hooters to the one in Santa Monica. No, you. Seattle. There was out here at fourth and, and Santa Monica fourth in Lincoln or something somewhere. No, Santa Monica, and I would go there. And you know look, if you work as a server hooters, you, are, you are trained to like you have to engage the. Party or what I'm they would come up ladies. Hey, honey. How it'd be like I would like these wings on breaded and eliminated. And I'm only making contact with your eye contact with your eyes and look at this television. So awkward. I always love my hooters waitress, while up on America's next top model really. No, no. But she came pretty she wouldn't pretty far Joe. These are facts. Thank you guys for joining us on the podcast within a podcast, that's doesn't taste as good as you think it will they used to be so good. They changed. It used to be a dry route. Yeah. See a non non-british wing. What kind of hooters, do you guys way? What does your what are your? Let's get into the nitty gritty. We've talked about wrestling, which is what this podcast is about now. You don't talk about Wang. This is what happens when I get into booth, you guys were better off without me. I would've brought it around the wings. Don't you worry about I, I've only been to hooters once I hate to admit it or maybe, I'm proud to admit it. I don't know. I've only been to hooters once both are correct. Correct. I'm glad that the women there, get to make good money. But it's also like. Just go to a strip club dudes. They have food there too. They don't have wrestling, though. I guess some of them they might not. I'm curious just talking about wrestling stories again, if, if there's one sort of conic story line that comes to mind, if I say, what is the best wrestling storyline? You can remember what would what would each of your answers be? I don't even remember what I had for lunch yesterday or watch on TV last hooters. Right. That was one time. Yes. That was my first time hooters. Well, and this is really going to date me, but I saw the first wrestlemainia, and I was so drawn into that whole dynamic of, you know, right before wrestlemainia there'd been event where whole Cogan where we're Mr. T came, and rescued whole Cogan. And I probably like thirteen fourteen at the time. And that was like the coolest thing I've ever seen. And Cindy Lauper was doing her thing, captain luau Vano and, and this is just at the beginning of wrestling really becoming this. The big huge thing that now is right? Yeah. And, and that was to me, again the writer in me that the kid who is was really into storytelling, I was really hooked for about a year or two there. And that, that whole moment, when I can't remember where they were when Mr. Teague ran down. And helped, you know, save HOGAN is just like this is it. Yeah. I think I think maybe a war to settle the score or something like that. Maybe you know that's not. I mean I was around. I wasn't watch those before you before you were indoctrinated. Yes. But yeah, I go back to a lot of that classic stuff. And that was that was one of those things where again like this the. You know, even back then you had to even more. So back then you had to sort of defend your interest in certain things, Jeff wrestling was one of them comic books was another one of those things. And, and so to me, it was always like, hey, these are really fun stories. This is really entertaining. And, and so, but yeah, that was it. I just remember being so hooked that moment 'cause I was a big Mr. T fan I even had a mohawk just to be like him, so love. Well, after a quick break, we're gonna take a look at another one of wrestling's, most intensely personal stories. But for now, thank you, both David f Walker and Brett weld Lee. Thank you so much for taking the time to join us. And please tell everybody where they can follow you what they should be looking for. 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Welcome back to tights, and fights. I'm how Lebanon I'm joined today by I just want to be aware before I read this Julian wrote it while he was on dayquil. So here's the intro this week. We're gonna take it look. What this week we're going to take a look at one of the most beats that made it so affective. This is the beatdown white point do them. Be. Anyway, in two thousand five Eddie Guerrero and Rey, mysterious kicked off a rivalry that began as friendly but culminated into the first and thankfully last match for the custody of China. Dude again, so far in honor of others day. Let's take a look. Eddie and Ray to great workers, that worked great together. When I think about them the thing that comes to mind for me. First of all thing about Ramos Cheerios, dedication of his world title win to Eddie. Oh my God. Yeah. But, but before that, I think about the smackdown six which was edgy mysterious versus the Carreira versus Ben wa an angle in a in a three team feud over the tag belts that lasted for a very long time. And never like got better and better and better as it went now. See for me. This was one of my dark periods, where I wasn't really watching. But like I would peak in occasionally. So some of this stuff I saw if I mean, if it was Eddie Ray, I was probably at least kind of keeping an eye on it. Sure on. But it's one that I went back and watched, especially when I got the network, which, you know, that's back. When I did that I would go back and that was one of the foods that I went back and watched. We'll sit walk through this special for the Vicki stuff. So of course you guys know you guys. Crazy story. We'll talk about that this feud starts with Ray Eddy as the tag team champions, going to wrestlemainia twenty one the didn't defend the titles. They actually wrestled each other in an exhibition match which Ray one, and that was the key here. Eddie Guerrero could not beat Ramos cheerio in a one on one match and through it. All Eddie always remained good natured about it. You know, they were this is sort of like ciampa Gargano. They had that they have like these matches but, but maybe less intense at the time was like they had a match at he couldn't win handshake. Good job, buddy, and it's hard to believe now, especially because I know that a apparent like, apparently I say that we're too much, I'm especially because I know that so many of the people who listen, where people who are newer listeners, or people who didn't necessarily watch a lot of wrestling, and for some reason, our babbling made you get into it, and that's dope. But Eddie, you know, Eddie, obviously, like was he's, you know, or journeyman. He's a work. For everyone loves Eddie Ramos Terio at one point, was the most popular wrestler NV fucking world, but, and it's hard to imagine because dude comes up to like my shoulder, you know, like he's obviously, he's a Brown nude, and we all know how tough that can be. He wears a mask even though. He's very pretty. So sometimes they would have them take the mask off because he's gorgeous horrible idea terrible terrible. Terrible idea, so mad when it happened in WCW, so mad terrible idea, but they did it because he pretty. So he wasn't even then like there were still there were a lot of big dudes that were still doing it. You know, Jericho was very popular as like a smaller, dude. But it's Edie Edie grow, but yes him too. But Ramos deal was at the top of the fucking world for like years. Yes, I just feel like that's like really, really important context, especially if you're watching him now. And now you see why when he comes in, he gets such a big pop and people love him so much. And if you think he can work now who bore you shoulda fuck and seen him fifteen twenty years ago seen him when he had knees. It's amazing. He still worked to the extent that he does given what his style is because that's style is not friendly on joint tax or anything and the amount that he has to bump as a little guy, but during these during the series of one on one matches. They lose the tag titles which they had held an Eddie remained good natured. But after Eddie loss Raya fourth time he gave a stereo big shove at a frustration only for them to make up. Later, here's a clip. The means more to me than this business. And that's my family. Chills rate. You are my family. I know that sometimes you're not one hundred percent of here. Eight we all do it. There's something I do know your one hundred percent in you heart. That's what counts for me right now. Back then, and forever. No. And so I think this is also important to put in a context, and correct me if I'm wrong because remember my time line in this period, little squeaky. But this was also around the time when Eddie was really kind of big into his like his redemption ark where it was like he had been right? Yes. So, so, when Ray mentions that it's because he had, you know, very publicly had been dealing with the diction problems was at this point, very proudly sober. And it was something that they talked about a lot both on the show and in Israel life. So that's just an important piece of context to absolutely a few weeks later when Ray was being attacked Eddie came out to make the save only to turn on Ray viciously beating him ripped up his mask, suplex them onto the steel steps, and then gave this explanation. Everyone of you. By terrorists. Through newark. Love. You are still in. He's right. Last week. Not long. Got it. And one thing I mean poor Ray because I feel like it was the easiest person in the world to get heat on because everybody was bigger than him. So it inherently came off as bullying. Right. Sure. So, like you think about all the time she got beaten up. It was like Batista turned heel on him. Chris Jericho a lot of heat off of him every single one of like big show. Great Colleen, Mark Henry. And it doesn't be mysterious, and it didn't help him that, that man can bump like a motherfucker. Yeah. Like you like you look like you are murdering him. Yeah. So this moment spurred further transformation. Eddie ditched the low rider started using an older finisher called the LASSO from El Paso, and even remixed his music, which now sounded like this. Can't you feel? See never lying and cheating stealing is not as charming so nice that, that theme music sets the call from Nokia, Rick. Hello. It's lying. Cheating stealing help you hold on a call from the guy who frosts my tips soccer in real quick. With this new attitude, Eddie still couldn't beat Ramos Terio because of this Eddie blackmailed Ray into giving him one more match or else. He would reveal a secret about race son Dominic and even though Eddie lost that match he decided to be a real heal and reveal the truth. Promised you and my wife to keep my mouth shut. If you beat me at the great American bash. You did. Would she good? I. Father. Other. It's so fucking dumb, and he sells it so well. So this brings us to sever slam. This is where this storyline went off. The I mean I I watched this as it was happening. Fourteen years ago. And this is the point where I was like, wait what the fuck have a match it summer slam. It's a ladder match that has dominance, custody papers hanging above the ring. If any wins this match, then he did fuck Ray mysterious wife. But if he loses the match, then he did not fuck. Raimo cereals, wife, actually. No, no. It's a legal procedure. So the way that it works is that if we got paralegal, so if you, if you get to the top of it, I then legally, the state of wherever they were in had to acknowledge that, that Eddie, head proper custody at some point, I assume they would have put a parenting plan put appearance clan between him and, and Ramos stereos wife on a pole, so they can decide who gets summer vacations, who get spring, washing so custody which week. I mean you could drive a stone cold could drive a Budweiser truck through this plot all with, like, did he? But is Ray going like all right. You did. And I'm mad that you told the secret or is this news to him? There's no acknowledgement from his wife of, like, yeah, this happened. I don't think I think the thing was that Dominic was supposed to be adopted, and like any gave Ray Dominic from like as like this, like child that he'd had like an extramarital affair that didn't have anything to do with so, right. Supposed to be as he was supposed to be as biological kid. There wasn't. Me and my wife were separated. And that was going local party drinking having sex with a lot of different mama. Sita. I'm talking about. What one day one of these? Told me that she was brag necked. Want anything to do that? And neither did she come on. She already had seven of them. Older. I would take care of it out of the goodness of my loving, heart. I gave my Ben being oh to my best friend. To raise as his own son. And that baby. Was named Dominic fun fact, I believe that I saw Dominic a DS O because I definitely sold one to Ray. That's how I know how tiny he is. When they came into for wrestlemainia nineteen. I believe I don't know if I've ever told you guys, but I was at wrestlemania in nineteen. No. Oh, no. Ever mentioned it. He that one. That was in Seattle. Wow. I mentioned from Seattle, no cake, where say so I'm from Seattle cool at the time I was working as the assistant manager video games. And I did. I don't know if I've told you that either I used to used to sell video games and so around that point, a lot of wrestlers were coming in, and I sold one to Ramos, stereo, it was on hold for someone else. But I sold it to him because I am a Mark also fun fact. I did not do that for when the south park, creators, came in. They did not have one on preorder. They did not get a DS. Oh too bad. I, look, I know we're supposed to take a look at one of the most beats that made it. So, but I have to say that this is where falls apart is the best thing in the world, the ladder matches fun. Enjoyed the ladder match. Great deal. It's very good. Eddie's wife Vicky, who would later become a an on air personality throughout the storyline had been against Eddie's actions and disgusted by him. And then she returns during the match to push Eddie off the ladder and allow rain to get the briefcase in win. Of course, fun fact. Bochum mania, Vicky, Mr. cue at forced EDI. Rada improvise, leading to this funny moment. Casey couldn't hear that because we can't do it like nine one one call on the mysteries. He said where the fuck was Vicky God. Dammit. Okay. Let's play it again. Because now that they know to listen for here. Yeah. Now you hear didn't you? It's like a seeing eye. Once we tell you. It's a schooner. Finally we get one more match between Ray Eddie, this time at a steel cage where rate can't perform the six one nine because of the design of the cage, what will happen and the week before this, Eddie, cut one final promo for this story. I might. I might. Kids. My y. Everything. I can sit back here and say it's your fault. But you know what Ray? It's my phone a made the mistake of giving you a chancery next week in this still Kate either have to take on. How can you be someone? That's already lost everything. Rewrite who has nothing to lose. It's fine now. Great promo, great fried. Is he didn't do the cliche end? Yeah. And he did get his win win over a stereo from there. He would turn face once again, working with Batista before he passed away later that year and Ray would go on to win the rumble and become world champion, which we talked about a little bit at the top and again, sorry context lady. So one of the reasons why that promo is so powerful. And the reason why did work is because so much of his sobriety was tied into he wanted to keep his family, you want to keep his family that was something he was big on both in interviews and in the ring, and so for him to be like I lost everything I lost my family like that built on. It's one of those rare instances, or I guess they want us where back then. But it's one of those instances where they had built on so much of what made him work as a face. And so much of what made him work when he had had conquered his substance abuse issues. So, yeah, this. This is one of those rare just sort of put a button on this. This is one of those very odd rivalries, that is does a spectacular job of drawing from real life and. And blurring those lines of their real life history. And also introducing the most wackadoo shit on the planet, right? A ladder match out of it. Jason Jordan wish. She could. That's right. Topping to walk. So jordan. If, if Eddie Guerrero were not as great on the Mike as he was, and where the two of them not as good in the ring as they were. And Ray mysterious still is I think that this storyline would have been an absolute failure. Either one of absolute either you could say that about a lot of things. But, but the pressure that this has on that on the one end like, oh, this is really well-constructed and Eddie's descent into madness, and, and the things that he loses on the way because hyper focused on the wrong thing versus. I'm your poppy, and we've got custody at a briefcase over the ring like that is that is. Way harder to pull off in a lot of these were Russo years. Right. No, no Rousseau's gone thousand five tan. I mean, I guess it's just it's also I would rather have I'm your poppy then. Oh, no. Eddie is developing. And he's going back on sobriety or whatever. And I'm saying there's lots of ways you could say those options, right? We are still talking about WWE. Sure that that's what we're talking about for the booking. And if we're going, you know, custody on a pole match, they're not necessarily looking for settle there how they're not looking for the subtlety of you've always been my brother and you're doing better than me. And now I'm sober, and I can't make this work, which would be the way that I would do it, where he wouldn't sacrifice sobriety. But it would be like, you know, I've done all of this stuff to, to have my family and to do this, and it's still not getting me where I need to get. So maybe now I need to turn fucking ruthless. Yes, I agree. Which would be how I would do it. 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I can find in the beautiful city of Fargo, North Dakota eighty four percent red voting and not quite ready for big queer mother fucker like me, you line, those twenty hairless, small thin, and legal as many as you can get because that'd be needs to know his limits epi needs to know how many tapes to take him down. So obviously, that's the most amazing thing ever that he's doing a twin got let. Yes, I it reminds me of that thing like, would you rather fight? One big duck or twenty small ducts EFI is going to take on. Small ducks. Or however many it's going to be. I'm very excited. I wish I could be there for it, and then Secondly, Stokely Hathaway who is just a monster monster monster monster on Twitter. He really understands that you social media. He has been going through a saga because someone at the performance center has stolen stolen his CD player. It was the CD player he would use when he would work out. It was portable CD player. So he's been going back and, and questioning different wrestlers at the performance center in on the next t- about the whereabouts of this one. Here's one that was my favorite. This is when he and Adam Cole get to talk. You have got to be less Stokely to be honest. I don't even know how you got hired. I I've already complained to HR about you harassing literally everybody even get outta my face right now before there's a problem. I just wanted to say you were me like I wish I wish I could be like you. When I grow up. I literally got into this business to do what you to boss people around, and with self esteem. That's what I wanna do. So that's, that's a lot say. And, and I had had extra tickets Bobby Brown. I figured. Stokely. Let me let me stop you right there. Maybe we can restart this a fresh start, okay? 'cause I like a lot of what you were saying. So thank you, Oakley. How's it going? Pretty good man. Just looking for my CD player you have. Treating like a real Gatien. 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Tights and Fights Ep. 179: Hornin' it up

Tights and Fights

55:23 min | 9 months ago

Tights and Fights Ep. 179: Hornin' it up

"Combined Park is low perfect Russell. It is dad gosh off aw aw wrestling. Track cast has trust link podcast wrestling podcast rats. The CATS IS GONNA stop there. We're not stopping into one one. Stop Stop Stop Stop. We're not good. People show that discusses wrestling with insperity and Hilarity David deserves. I'm the royal rumble dumped hugger Radford. I hadn't Julian changes to the script. I've been reading all of this fresh. I'm doing today by my fellow member of the Nation of conversation conversation that chairwoman of WCW which stands for world cats wrestling. Lindsey Killed By. Hello I do have videos of cats wrestling wants to see him they on. Oh my own cats. I have not set up a backyard wrestling league. I wouldn't do that to other cats. My own cats doing it through their own choice as wrestling should be consensual restless consensual rattling. It's the final week before the royal one but actually I mean when it goes off when it goes up. It's going to be like the day before they're running. Aw Crazy so there's a lot of Scott's within wwe and then also beyond to this is probably going to be really heavy wwe podcast. Tomorrow's the rumble when he gets around the. Let's my favorite is my favorite. I I love the rumble. I sometimes think I love mania but I think rumble might be my favorite. I think so too I think about this all the time because I've been to a bunch of Mainers I've been very lucky to May is. I've never been to a rumble nearly went to Arizona lascaux. Just GonNa get in the car and go to Arizona and then realized that was not a thing I was going to do the following I love it. I think I love it so much more because I think I prefer to watch it than I would be there. Unless you get the pulp for the surprise person. That's going to be great right but I feel like the rumble of a mess to watch live right home. You get the commentary and you get to follow the storyline through editon. Our new you enjoy. It was just so much happening during the rumble. And it's especially like when you have so many people in the ring. Yeah and you can't see anything that's happening. Yeah I agree I mean but I do WanNa see one live but I wanna see. Yeah I in that way where I'm right at the entrance and I WANNA go when they've awesome surprises suck. Oh it came. Yeah that's cool. Yeah that Guy So how are you feeling so far like we're getting closer to road. It's so so conflicted because the Mamer. WWe Is really where. I have let my balls drop. That sounds wrong. But that's why roles. Yeah I just I am just all I think about spin bowler next. We'll get to that. It's just as much wrestling. We talk about this every week. Now we all busy humans and you can only watch so much wrestling and not actually also have a life unusually. I'll just forgo the life and that's perfectly fine. Yeah that's usually doing it because cats is out there now. I've got some downtime. Time listened until it comes out on digital's I have a couple of extra hours a week. Yeah I have really been focusing on T. A. W. Obviously Japan a couple of weeks ago is watching several hours awesome day which is fun May Russia's where I haven't really been paying attention which means that when something is good and it's getting to me even though I'm not watching watching the program that means it's really really good. Yes so there are things I'm excited about like. I'm really enjoying draw as work right now. He's I mean we'll talk about that. I'm sure yeah it's interesting addressing watching it from slightly of an out- outside of but from outside looking in raw than being in the middle of it and being furiously angry all the time it's kind of a treat because something is good. I get to hear about it and go. Oh that was delightful and don't have to like engage with the parts of it. I don't I don't like so much of it so I'm very excited now. How to move onto Surrey lines matter storylines are going to build and go forward to April because now that we are on the road now is the point? where I'm like? Okay I can start really praying paying more attention to the main roger and well because like I can start paying more attention to it because there are actually going to be things happening not floating putting in limbo. The things that happened now. We're going to be the things that matter come Wrestlemainia to you know. Close out the rest of this wrestling season. If something pisses me off now it's like well we'll see what they do it mania where it's going to Piss me off now and then the second matter in a month so there's no point in meeting mad by the superfund wild speculation time. 'cause wild speculation actually sought to matic. That was like oh well if brock is entering himself number one then presumably if he doesn't win 'cause go whoever throws him how you've gotta think is how that storylines going to build to be amazed at least a preemie related which then puts you in a chess game position nation of bring like well does that mean whoever wins the rumble will be someone that challenges for this smackdown title. which also it's like? Oh we've actually got lots of exciting things look forward to be like so out of the ordinary rumble. And you know what I I think. We all have brock fatigue. But I think it's a brilliant idea having him into so so smart because he's in it he's there he's doing his job he's GonNa title match because he hates those and also they will will work much longer than any any other. They won't let me get to see the whole roster him and he becomes King Kong he becomes. Yeah like you know gone in or Houser or throw out ten people full before it even starts that we just sat in the middle hanging out Jila and then whoever is a big deal makes makes someone really important really really quick. And even if it's like three people if it's like you know you have to get together Kevin O'Higgins Samoa Joe Chiefly or whatever you know and have all of these very you have all these very powerful people did. It still looks great so yeah genuinely excited for that So we do talk like we mostly pay attention to eight W we pay a lot of attention to enemies. The annex t pay a lot of attention to new Japan this other stuff Does that kind of take some of the steam out of the road or is it like a thing where you can compartmentalize I compartmentalized by NHL. Same Yeah I'm not saying sociopath but like I'm just really good at separating out miss stuff which I think you have to be wrestling found otherwise you just end up on twitter shouting coaching at people for getting upset about there being lady in a bikini on the show. I don't know if you're listening to this person who was being an asshole onto a tour. I'm assuming you're not because Terrible person and our listens lovely. But yeah you gotta be able to compartmentalize. I feel like I've been getting more disenchanted with Awa lately to which drives me back to looking at things. We brought a picture Darren say. Well what is it that I want and what I need right so I mean. I'm always going to be excited about the road especially the rumble especially the rumble. Now the run nothing. It doesn't matter where where I met with the product the rumble will always be like the thing that I looked for. Because it's so much fucking fun I feel like I would watch the rumble. Even if I didn't watch anything else on me and in the same way that a lot of people only watch mania I think if it was one thing where you could only watch one. WWE Show a year not counting S.. T. I think it would be. The rump is good enough of Hertzog. UGH undeclared baby odor. Baby Yoder is a surprise entrant in the rumble man. Like oh I want one of these days. I do want to Herzog Zog to narrate to do commentary on a rumble and now Zugaza. You see all of the triumph and the power. Uh of men. As Brooklyn's Nah citizens the corner catching his breath and Roman reigns since a Kona catching his breath and antic Bala points his. The cat was heavier. I'd just think if we have baby Yoda and maybe Mungo Jerry Rumble teaser has is the surprise entrance. It's a me they would be doing. Some I do think they'd be the best Entrance pick so the rumble moving up. We'll so we're start with smackdown and Morrison's back. We haven't really got a chance to talk about smackdown. Johnny smackdown it. So it's been fun watching him. Go from Johnny Lucia Lucia Johnny Wrestling Johnny Impact Mondo John John John Johnny Jonathan Next. It's one of those things I'm all of course I'm excited. I take it all with a grain of salt because at any moment you know they take these dudes that we fall in love with on the indies other stuff and unless. I know that they're nestled safely in an extent which has its own problems. I worry about what's going to happen with them on the main roster now the thing with John Morrison is he looks like such a classic wrestler. But that's kind of like he does it on purpose because it's it's funny. We're before he did it on purpose because that was what was expected of him now. He's like doing wrestler. 'cause play like he's going retro. Yeah and I don't know himself. I don't know if that's going to translate. I don't know I think it's really fun. Also unfortunately that Video of him and MS wrapping found. Its way back into my time line. I'm it's real guys. I believe it's when they were going against crime. Time them trying real hard to get over something that I'm sure someone said was real good ship. Yes someone who would say such the thing someone who would say real good shit. But I'm I'm into it like I. Loving seeing him with Ms. I thought his first Promo where he came out and was looking so please back but not because you guys like Johnny Mak down and I love that I just. I'm really enjoying singing with MS love. Miss Ms Appreciation moment man's John's all and they obviously Ms Mrs now back on TV. So I figured he would get pulled into a storyline. Be Back back but he has to. They have to protect him now because he's bigger than just the show which is crazy show and I don't know what the ratings are from great and we but it seems like it's doing great. I've only caught bits of it. But it's it's delightful so I'm not I'm not up on Total Bellas right now. I know you guys. I'm fucking dropping balls left. I see what what do you need. so they have. Are they still doing the show. uh-huh or they just do both off doing the show. I believe it's back soon. Be All about her and artem. We'll because the last episode of Total Bellas was was Writing off arms motorcycle but they won announced. It was kind of a reveal that she was like. Oh well maybe I'm dating someone. Maybe they don't know and then she got an audience motorcycle it was like. Oh She's saying autumn so we've skipped a whole bitch we already now. They were on the last episode of Total Divas. They were actually really interesting to no one but me they were filming to divas in Maui. Last May when I was in Maui because I was wearing a MR perfect tee shirt and every single humanum Maui was like Oh that's interesting. Do you know the Lady Russell's are here right now. Tell me because there's like four people a Maui. It would seem there's actually usually many but it would seem like your home tower. Everyone knows everyone. Yeah media like wrestling t shirt do you know the wrestles I was like. I did not see the wrestlers. Obviously we miss them everywhere we went and they were like. Oh they're going to be here in a few hours or oh they were just here this morning but yeah they were. The Bellas showed up very excited. Absolutely you're waiting to propose like do I have to wait until you've talked to natty about the cats. Yes you do you actually place. So but yes so they were on that which means I think that just finished a couple of months ago so I think would now waiting for Bellas comeback. Think it usually comes around mania sees. Okay Yeah you know what I think. You're right yeah so I don't know exactly what will be on it but hopefully I mean autumn. Because they're engaged now it's weird really engaged. Okay Yeah sure they definitely let me much super in love. So is there anything else for my again. We neither one of us has been super doing it from smackdown. The call your eye anytime I get some sorrow that's exactly what his about. TV Any CICERO. Time makes me happy. I'm glad to see him actually in a story line. Even if it's in this very odd backing Shinsegei situation like they're all foreign oren thrown together on a Canadian Swiss Japanese. I'm sure it's also remember back when she didn't need back. It's fine point. You guys like one of the best wrestlers ever ever in the whole world wilt and he gets to surf everywhere. I guess he's fine but a nice life. I think I want from a voice. Yeah just want a nice life you know not getting thrown through too many tables. It's good yeah so yeah no I agree. I thought that that match was definitely a standard anytime. I can get more sorrow. Happy Risley engaged. Okay maybe you can help me make sense of this. Why am I interested in the Mandy? Otis storyline 'cause I shouldn't be but I find it quite sweet and now Mandy rose up on the apron. Mickey Cross Julia. The Red Sox partners. Okay it's he is I I don't want it but when I'm being given it it's kind of like I didn't want dessert because I'm so full but then your friend is like but I made this does it for you and it's your favorite and I want to eat and at least try. Don't really want to eat a little tiny bit and I'm like Oh this is so nice. Yeah but that tiny bit was plenty the rest of it but thank you. I can do sweeney full of banana pudding after bit. Because it's got all those because when I get it to the bottom of it I don't know what it's going to be like or if I'm gonNA feel good. Is there a crash. Is it a cookie. Yeah so I but I don't hate but I'm confused by it. I feel like it could become that weird by stocker coming. It just seems to be quite a sweet opposites attract and and is it trying to split up fire and desire. I'm confused. I'm not sure but I'm keeping an open mind about that Yangel angle our our faces and our Chins and we. Have you got any thoughts on what we discussed so far desert and cats. Yeah artem artem When I'm trying to connect with us on facebook twitter and instagram links in our show notes? We'll be back to talk about more wrestling news up next on types. Two decades ago sacrificed his life. The greatest discovery is also about star. Trek Picard Jesse. Thorn won't let us stay on the network unless we all the Star Trek series. And so here we are doing a show about maybe our favorite star trek character of all time. If you're excited to watch the new star Trek Picard series and you'd like some veteran star Trek podcasters castors to watch it along with. We're your guys. Sorry you're stuck with us out here card saving galaxy so subscribed to the the greatest discovery can find it anywhere you find podcasts. Or at Maximum Fund Dot Org Welcome back tights and fights Radford I'm joined today by decal already today. We're GONNA talk about some eight w dynamite so aws not only been renewed but it's going to nights a week easy. I think that it's fantastic. I think they have the roster to do it especially with all the stuff. They're doing that after dark If we don't start getting at at least a half an hour's worth of women's Shit I'm going to lose my fucking mind. All of those points were reasonable incorrect. Yeah I was super excited to hear that. They've they've been renewed and that we are safe with more wrestles twenty more more time. I am excited for that. I'm excited for a second night. I think they might need to deepen the roster a little bit. Maybe now's a great time to talk to New Japan about that partnership you're wouldn't it be amazing to have the new Japan on. US Bell on eight of you as well as on. New Japan will not be amazing. Mocks has it. He has it since house he could just bring it in. Just hi I have. I have this who he wants to do. Play fighting for it like I would love that with one I. I think they might need to develop a little bit but I think that totally capable of it. I think they're very capable of. Ah The pros and the cons are obviously like two shows could mean like a little bit but if you if you handle talent right yes and this is again me. Danielle being in my little hopeful box having two shows a week means accelerated growth. It means they are going to be learning from their mistakes like in real time. I something didn't work here. We'll then here's what we know you know. Oh we're still not getting our camera. Angles cool we have another chance to like everyone. You gotta get better way fast. And they do have to get better fast. Like I think they might want to consider hiring a couple of people people to help with the writing and I'm not saying hire a room full of people. WWe I'm saying bring in people with experience. I'm not saying do what W Doritos when they like. I'm hiring a soap. Oh Papa ride you is going to quit in six months. Is the miserable. Bring people in from the industry. Bring your friends but late people if nothing else someone who can keep track of ladies yet right lady stories. You know. There's plenty of them. I'm looking at two right now. One of them's me but the there are lots of options you have lots of opportunities. Jesus Bring 'em people and women from the workers who would have something helpful to say. Yeah I think they need to do that. I think they desperately need to figure out these production issues issues. I was watching this week's and there was the Baker Promo which I just off the less said the better visit. I'm a role model. Well and that is a lot of pressure. It's a full time job and I'm the hottest girl on this vote. No look don't hate me because I'm beautiful. Listen I'm smart. I'm educated on brilliant and Tony Did you know. So what did you do. We heard enough. Brit- Brit- Brit- feel. She's gone from being someone. I'm super excited about to somewhere. I'm like Oh don't give the MIC. One again just comes with like that's like anything after training and it's it's like yeah. She's learning on camera but they need to get better trading off camera. They really do you. Timings production has to be fair when they're like. Oh we're GONNA cut now in the middle of this promo before. She's got to a point because she's clearly forgotten what she was going to say and she just calling Tony Shiniichi Barista. Okay great now what. I understand they're trying to do things in a way. That's more like it's about the wrestling. WE'RE NOT LIKE A. We are a wrestling sling show. That just happens to be taped or whatever it is they're doing. I don't think it would kill him to do a dress rehearsal a couple of them on Promo class. Someone needs to go to class and again. It doesn't have to necessarily be what don't send them to Promo class. Send them to. Do you know how to Improv. But I just think there's too. Many of them are uncomfortable on the Mike and Yukon rely on someone being in natural and the Mike because you can be a fantastic wrestler and you can not be great at talking and you can't just say my wrestler doesn't need to talk doc. Because they're great unless you have someone talking for them because yes you are more heavily invested in the wrestling. None the storylines but the storylines drive your wrestling forward. The two things need to work hand in hand especially at the beginning. Well because it's that thing again it's like they are very much operating like they are the indies yet where it's like the world look if you're here it's because you like the wrestling. Yeah and these two people may have a storyline together. They may not so they'll just come in and they'll do some wrestling and that's why you're here for and that's great and that's great networks. That does not work on the TV. Now now just doesn't just doesn't always translate especially with someone like where you are trying to build character clearly building her as a as a thing you know she's like Oh. Don't hate me because I'm beautiful. I'm the hauge go. I'm a dentist. I owned company. I am powerful. I'm successful. I do this on. Hold down a job. I'm so much better than the rest of you. That's fine if that's who you're going to be if you're going to be I'm in the rest ece view you actually have to be you have to everyone else and I love Brett and I want to succeed. I think she has all of this potential but they have to get her into some so of character work or do something with her absolutely. It's just putting your an unfair disadvantage if they don't. I think it's unfair. Yeah the video. She just socks and we know she's just not getting the support. No would say an annex t where she would be in class she would be in training and she's not because she's working and also job on a cruise cruise. Looked like they had a great. I know say I wish I could go in next year. I'm put my foot down. We're going I just. They've got got to figure out this women's division. We're out of time where pensions and that's why I'm like I'm very. I'm super pump. That they're gonNA have extra days that we can get into that because now you got no excuses fellas now if you've got this much TV time and you don't have a good chunk of women on your TV time as decision you're making. It shouldn't be like oh did. We put a women's march on this week. I've with that for many many years from the other company. I will not put up with that here. Here's one thing talking talking about building stuff you spend all of this time building your tag division and you wind up getting your titles. Two two boys who at home I love home. I Loan Stu love. I love both of these boys. But they're not attack team and you give them the tag title after spending so much time building your tag divisions very confusing and I mean and I get it. You're doing going up because you're on the cruise they're serving and I think that that's an interesting thing is because that is one of those cases where they are serving two things. I guess because this isn't one of their shows that's whatever the Russell crews and so you have to. I was so confused. I I'm like why because I had forgotten it was the crews I'm like why are they wrestling windy. Parking King Luck is real. I was delighted and so I get that I get that you have to have have the mom there and you've got to do something special for the people who pay the crews because the cruises in the thousands of dollars like people expensive money is spent and so you WanNa make sure that they get a special show. Oh I don't know but it's also like do you want to do something that had so like ramifications on my lady like it is building. The Kenny page feud was still the tension because obviously they won but it built the tension towards them because the Kenny was essentially sounds like quite elliott out jet. Carry the whole thing again that when they celebrated in Kenny. Kenny Kenny. Doing great work in this view. Kenny was like you know this is my parents. As long as we hold these bullets as my parody. I'm still going to come for you. Jericho and mocks. I'm coming for you. You'll get your rubber match power Yoga but this is my priority right now and you could see page is it because we just want these. This is the important thing so he thinks that's going to be interesting to watch that. Divide and how they're gonNA do it well because literally my least favorite way too. I just don't think you you needed to give them the belts to do it. I'm interested see how they do that. just made it awkward when they were like hey bucks. We thought you'd want them before but here we are and Maybe and that's just me and years of watching wrestling. They put them together as a tag team as I can. I do get that and hangman is a sad sad alcohol boy right now. I don't know if a cruise was the best. Yes they are amazing. If y'all aren't paying attack I feel like everyone is kind of savvy and paying. Yeah but if you haven't been paying attention to the chirons or you watch it while you're doing something else. Go back and look. I'm sure that you can find a tumbler. There isn't one someone that Tumbler debut. Bucar on someone and the cash tumbler. The monetize watch them money. I just think Gloria's yeah it's pretty fantastic. You should definitely check those out. Whoever's writing them? I hope it's Jeff in social media told off by Tony Kahn They should get a pay rise. Oh they should be allowed to be put in charge of story right some other story writing excuse and the thing is again. You don't have to screw them. You could be like. Hey here's a cool line user. Don't yeah but I just need a storyline. That's coherent coherence. Someone someone who is tracking his only job at is. There's a reason why when you go and you shoot movies Tyler Perry. I'm talking to you specifically that you have someone who who was in charge of continuity because that person can make sure that your wig that is busted looks busted in the same way and two shots they can make sure that the script is not in the shot. Uh of seen Tyler Perry studios so I'm just saying that that's why it's important when everyone else is doing a million roles you have one person dedicated to be the details garrison and that is what a good having someone. Just in charge of tracking storylines. Make sure that they make sense. Limiting that right now for the women were just eighty. He's just starting to feel like they. Just don't care they just don't and that's upsetting. I'm hoping that we're wrong. And they're still kind of whatever I also think. I just think think if that was true we wouldn't have had a lady going about it again. We wouldn't have had a lady in Bikini the Miami Show where she was just like a prop with nothing to say nothing to do. But look I'm in. The beginning was waiting for a guy to speed to come out and then I would have been perfectly just parody. Just yeah honestly would like it was a missed opportunity. They should've had everybody on the show. All the wrestlers come out in various swim attire. Bobby Fun if if you have like the woman who is on the side have those wrestlers who aren't wrestling and have her. Come out. Get Change and bring sunny kiss outs. Yeah he can be. There are thousand ways to do that and make it okay okay but to just be like. Hey you're not. We used to do the good old boys used to do at Bash at the beach. We'd have some chicken a bikini and it's like what's her name. What does she do she here for like does she have hopes and dreams? Do you have any pets. Does she. Like cats favorite. She apparently this is a BS. She says it's full. It's full Malibu Stacy and I was very upset about it and the person I lady. We're very happy that you got your check is paid. I just wish that there have been an equal paycheck for gentlemen in a Speedo. Thank you we've got a baby on the beach. Let's get a bow on the bid on a beach. Everyone something for everyone wrestling is for everyone. Thinks thing is where everyone but yeah todd going back to. This is really quickly I feel like they at this point would really benefit and I know that they've got awesome Kong but she's also off doing other awesome things and has been sick. I guess yeah. And she's not around as much they would really really really benefit. I'm bringing in more veteran women who can fuck in Yup. Get that locker room. You'll gather trick by not getting your wife Sadie Martinez. Oh that would've been she's GonNa be great on women are going to learn so much for her but it's also it's like God. They have such a bounty of bridge between like her and Sarah and like yeah Mercedes would've been could've whip that locker room in shape. I gotta say like I'll just I chime in with this. I was really annoyed seeing people who I think. We're being a little bit unfair when they said like. Why would w Mercedes when? She's clearly said that she wants wants to be. She's wants to transition to training and they're trying to get the news. That's exactly why you fucking one. That's what they need. They need a presence like the hat. Like why would that be like. They should be so Jericho As the authority they have on they have all these boys in the backroom. You need to take a woman who wears your woman DP. Where's your woman on ways you all these people that are Mandy brand delorean step off? She's so good she's so good at what she does but this is not what it is that she's good at also thank you for ruining our Bechtel. Stats Julian Dan thank you. Thank you know all right so we're GONNA start up on raw because we're gonNA positive note And so so. What did you do what you got to see? What did you like about Roy? I look Andrade fucking versus mysterious was amazing. It was gonNA over if going to put over a match but I want to talk about the becky thing. I thought that was amazing. We do not deserve Zelina. We don't know what's the common thread fucking cats. But she's on her own performance of the of the musical at home with her actual cats bumbling. Oh my God she does not come out for the rumble and cats inspired. I'm going to be we riot. Say that in La because like we will we Munson. Nova cat says more important things Yeah we that was amazing. That was genuinely great. I'd loved every moment of it. She is just such CIA gift. The woman again. Let me tell you I stumbled upon clips of like fighting with my family and I was watching some of them and the comments where people were like I had to step up in fucking in one of my many Alta counts. You'll never mind me. I had to step up and fucking defend Selena's name and be like you're gonNA put some respect on Selena foul. She's amazing Asheville people were like. Oh well she's know. Aj Lee why was her. And I'm like no. She's wearing her own gear fuckers and she's an amazing fucking talker and amazing everything and I'm sorry that she's she's not your fucking manic Pixie Dream Girl. I cannot believe job she did of the actual. Yeah she was just like it was amazing. But it's a film. Why would she be wearing actual clothes? Florence pugh was wearing pages actual while wearing a shirt thing. And it's like because it's not a documentary film pay aid you had been gone by. Then why would they put. Aj's exactly they played music. They had to skip. They had sound exactly like they're not going to really C auto. Pay For fucking zillion get new gear. Know exactly that point No I think Zelina is amazing. How much I love seeing how with android? I love her so much. I want to see her do more for her. UH-HUH I agree fully with his support. Yelling he comes out and does for her house associates. That business associates should business associate for her. That's how these things work but yeah I just love her so much like when is she going to get what she's do. I agree I want it. Because she's good like she's not displayed on the Mike she liquor yeah And finally okay. We're GONNA talk about about annexed. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah all right we you gotta do it. We gotta do so much we have to the lush. Shing Yeah since fence. Dick I don't know if thin had a mike in his pocket or if he was just happy to see us but it looked like a microphone. The sound like someone who's never seen one before my microphone or Aquinas. The Shit of all the Dick prettiness Dick print so the prince. Maybe that's why he's changed the spelling of his name Prince because it's not princes. Print Sprints Dick Prince devitt powerful Dick Point. I was watching it while I was eating my dinner I had to put Medina down. I was watching the show show with her husband who was a huge fen fan Watching it at Jeff could his something I'm accustomed to hearing for Heterosexual Cisco's been any wasn't even mad about it. I think he was kind of impressed. That you guys haven't seen NFC. This week I should say the match itself is fantastic. It's great we're GONNA get into other things we just kind of get it out there But Yeah Fin Fin for a man dressed as an insect slash. DJ In a pimped out bike helmet. But he came out with the like stroppy strappy things coming from his head. I'm like did you take gear and it's like hard. It's going to be hard Shikarpur vibes. Yeah it gave me hard. You've got twenty minutes to do a AH smash and grab around target to make. And that's what he got upset with it. I just feel like it's not gonna it's. It's not a gimmick that's GonNa go for a final look. We're not going to see that Little Cape thing again. Don't get used to it fine but like well played joaquin you tried right and when he came out and said Oh. I don't really see what this is. And then when the match started I realized it was a fantastic murder. Someone and I will say the the walking. I don't know his work terribly. Well I've only seen him a couple of times maybe one time but he sold like a mother. Oh my God I think. Every time Finn been kicked him he flew it really made thin-looking credibly incredibly strong. And maybe Oh you guys. It was out for the whole game. You could see it I am sorry of. Children are listening haughty. podcast about penises and the musical musical cats that neither of those things are visible children. Holy Shit I just cannot believe I the what with his ex girlfriend. I feel very bad for Kathy. You must see it in the hallway. NOPE NOPE NOPE nope. Just turn around and walk away Into wet with your ex and seeing it walking around the whole way looking light that yes I would be very uncomfortable since she's already incredibly beautiful in her own right but no thank you not today. I've seen that YEP and morals I go hello good to see you again here. It's a minute to you and you and you is i. Yeah it was a great match. That was only mildly overshadowed by his immense stick prints of minced you. I really enjoyed it for what was his tone of squash match. You looked dominant. He looked good. I liked that he gives us those little reminders of like. Oh this ain't main roster fan yes yeah and then turning storm gotTa Deke win of love. Bogey I like her better without the doom little. I'm so happy without the little hat that would jeff made a comment about the backwards baseball bowl cap and was like what's that about and look it has been worse. and He David it's awesome could be very tiny after the size. It could be a mad hatters. She could literally have just picked up at Disneyland Party city. I love watching her. I just think she's so fun in the ring and you can feel the joy of it from her. I was not a match up. I was expecting Because you like who wins this one and then like oh I see not again against you all fuck. I can't wait the wrestle again. Oh my God just. NFC Women's division just inject it directly into my vein. Yeah I just feel like I could get by with just just clockwork. Orange may may just like lift up my eyes. Keep just keep me watered Shayna shots I loved really loved it. I didn't know I was gonNA feel about it because like I don't know how this is GonNa go. Yeah it was so good shots. He came off looking like a staff. Shayna look like a bad ass everything they gave each other a really good showing showing. I'm just thank you. Annex t women's division for doing this for us to him and you're the only one and the browser weights beat imperium And your new exchange giggling like a school go Soga and giggling middle school go because I love the Broza weights. I love them so I didn't again. I didn't know I loved the delightful jokes about Matt Matt Riddle enjoying marijuana cigarettes. This riddle and chokers grows away join relation whatever. It is tweet appalling yourself. I don't even know what you really said about manipulating the joint. It Kinda well-spoken listening inserted daydream marital is gonNA smoke you. That was magical because I did not get the joint manipulation Shinjo on the first time. Oh to explain the joke for me because I'm a simple sweet naive babies very cute. You're talking about manipulating joints. That sounds cool dude. Talk about talking about. Mary made me so happy I love them. I'm excited for that match. I thought sounded great on the Mike. He's your great work on his accent. Idea friends from Birmingham. It's not always easy. Liz even more difficult. They still have some work to do. uh-huh that's the voice of so much. Come on with but I loved it. I just I'm super pumped for it. I did not know how much I needed. Sweaty Matt Riddle and Harry pedone and Bro Friends when you get him in with his super fucking valley boy accent. It's just like a really nice contrast I I just. I just loved them together. I didn't realize they work well together. I love it. Matching styles is so different but they actually really nicely together. which is you know watching peaches? Come in and smash someone to death and then rip apart their joints but then see Matz might just always looks so you know that episode of friends. phoebe teaches Rachel how to run yes. That's how I feel about like. He's wrestling through central talking. It's about to run into a horse face arms legs everywhere. I'm not convinced has complete control over his body but I can tell the sheer joy of what he's doing and if he chooses to he could not you know he wasn't exactly five is always there but it's just ten foot by this like childlike joy. I can't actually hurt anyone. So I'm just GonNa flop around like Kermit. Yeah and kick off my flipflop fees and where my braids and to watch. The two of them together is a pairing. That wouldn't on paper necessarily. Oh we make sense but actually has been so wonderful to watch and I'm pumped to see it. They're amazing chemistry and then yeah houses with the big news at the end of the night the task dayaks take up the oh I know me too. I was very surprised. Were you surprised if only because like I knew it was coming. I just didn't think it was coming coming soon. I figured they would lose all the belts at the same time. I did not think they were GONNA lose them piecemeal right. I fully believe he's deserves this. I thought they'll be shenanigans here. Yeah and he would win it at the takeover event. That's coming up that maybe they would all lose it or something. I think we all kind of figured they would all lose. It really. Didn't see him losing it just on an xt out of when we have two major events coming. I'm kind kind of hoping what I could see happening is this becomes a slow burn of Lake. Either someone feeling like well. I'm the weak link or everyone considering them to be the weak link. I don't want them broken up. No they tease that with Roddy last time. And I don't like it so I don't want it and I don't like it and I don't want to be the whittling unless it means he starts wearing black like jeans all the time instead of his yes because he looked really hot when he was wearing jeans and he had to hop in the ring that time. But Yeah I'm not ready for them to be broken op but I am ready for them to lose although belts and yet he petulant spoiled little babies. Stop fucking with people's matches and start being really sneaky McKee I don't know I. I was genuinely surprised. I'm so pleased because they love keithly and I think this is so well deserved in the work. Here's put in over. The last couple of months wants is the least he deserves. I honestly feel like I would have pulled the trigger in probably sent to the main roster. I don't done this to still expect to see him. I I fully expect to see him in the rumble. If he's in the rumble that is bang out of order one hundred him throw dudes around favorite thing to do big. I see so I love it so much. I want to see him in there. With Joe and Owens and I don't do this. Don't don't Save Time Keith League Welcome to dappling died. Zafy take wrestling and cats. Antagonize take back in my day. There were no difference. Would talk in and taping. It was like Kendall. This is why it's so shopping tweet. I'm shoulder people own gain Lindsay. Get over it but like no. This is shocking to me. No there was definitely made him look smooth experts. Look like he was wearing a diaper. Maybe he was maybe Woah semi seem in the apple with his dog strapped to him in a baby. I will ask it all right if you meet thoughts on what we've discussed keithly Ah Dream Dick. Prince do need a new dentists. You need a new dentist connect with us on facebook twitter and instagram. The link on our show notes to keep the conversation going. We'll be back right after it. s with three things and the wrestling world that you should know about. This is types of friendly fire is a podcast about war movies. But it's so much more than its history which is supposed to be another assignment comedy. 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That was a comment made which I believe. Julian is going to share chat with us. I think the best thing for women's division right now is that we eliminate term women's right. I think I think that we're here. I think I think it's no certain. Hold us back. We're then going. Oh this is the women segment. This is the women's thing. Why do we need that division? We need the people we need characters. We need people looking for the main events but not the top women spot the top spot. I've got no word. WWe superstar purpose. Johnson gender shouldn't be an issue and she's the perfect one to say it because she is she is. I'm sorry to my mind. She's still the top fucking sue star one hundred percent and and so for her to be like Yo like it shouldn't just be me like it shouldn't be anomaly that I'm the top star and it shouldn't be Oh is an amazing that she's the top star because she's the top star because cushy owned it and she's worked for it and yeah and it really frustrating to me to watch over the last couple of months become visibly frustrated with her position again team now and like Oh a minute ago. I was Headlinin mania but then we have one subpar match and suddenly it's like should women ever be main eventing when how many men have had subpar made events and. It's never a question if they should be headlining. A main eventing events and she's completely right. There is still a double standard where a women's still has has to be better than the men women in like him. Exactly all women have to be doing a thousand times better than the men are doing just to maintain somewhat level footing or. I don't even think she was especially getting into gender politics. I think she was saying it shouldn't matter if a woman or man or whoever what you identified as the best the best is the best the best the best and the theory and there should be a level playing field from the beginning. We shouldn't have to fight harder but I also think by starting this conversation by. WW removed the word women from the annex t women's title. It's really beautiful for people who don't necessarily feel comfortable identifying as that binary woman whether that's what she was getting out or not whether that's what. Www it's a nice. It's accidentally inclusive accidentally inclusive and actually is a huge moment and for a company and a tradition and even an interest of a wrestling wrestling is an interest that has been very exclusionary and not welcoming. And we Paul coming on leaps and bounds right now but for the biggest company to do it is a huge thing because it says hey actually we agree if one person so that announcement that they were taking women's Woman's out the title in so becky saying it shouldn't matter and made them go home and think. Oh maybe I need to understand this. Maybe I have like weird biases that I didn't know about uh-huh so maybe if it may one person go home and think that maybe it made them turn on a sunny kiss match made them on an Efi match you with someone who they've previously been like. That's not for me because I don it doesn't fit. I know than it did. Great Work and I am pleased and yeah go read Becky statement on twitter. It is it is very very good and she clarified herself very well. Notes App we really do. I Look I love a press. Release give it to me. Give it to me Julie early in what would you like to do. So in honor of Keithly I really love. People do keys honestly been wrestling for a really really long untimely across so many brands and what that when that happens whenever wwe comes around to your town. They need extra and they need people that know how to take bumps or who did they call. They recall local talent. That gets unbreakable things and I loved when somebody took a shot of Keith. Lee just says kind of note of how far he's he's come. You know that really weird build up to Wrestlemainia twenty-five where it was like the Mcmahon family versus Randy Orton and his cronies. Keith was one of Randy Orton. Security guards triple eight schone in this man had to sell for Shane. McMahon's punches back in the day. Saw Keith you you earned it buddy. So and then it's like it's shows a picture of triple h each throwing keithly into a barricade when he was a security guard all the way to right. Now when he's when triple h took the triple h picture with North American champion so I thought that was really great. Shot good job. 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Ep. 193: Wrestling brain food with Simon Gotch

Tights and Fights

49:31 min | 6 months ago

Ep. 193: Wrestling brain food with Simon Gotch

"It's not perfect resume. His Dad gone off. Aw locked inside stuck inside the house. Welcome to tights and fights the show that discusses wrestling with his sincerity and hilarity. That deserves. I worked that I work shopped it for like ten minutes before we started like in my head and running through it. We got there anyway. The voice you're hearing right now. I'm the Lovely Bunch Hal Lublin and I'm joined today by my fellow member of the Nation of conversation all Dan's ondeck Danielle Radford. High at me what. No Man only known for his appearances on the independent wrestling scene and for his time in. Wwe and an xt. It's Simon Graham. Welcome back to the show. Simon. I'm glad to be back. I I was supposed to be on a couple weeks ago. Unfortunately the world decided the end. And now I'm glad we were able to work spat out yet. What can you tell I feel like? This is going to be the generational thing that we talk about is. Where were you win? This lockdown began. Because you're on the road. Constantly we on the road at the time won't talk tickets so when everything started sort of going awry. I was actually heading to Quebec. I I somehow had two shows booked Opposite weekends where the first week in Quebec and the next week I was going to go back to Canada to British Columbia so I was Gonna be on the west coast of Canada respectively in the span of seven days and everything. What the hell in between those seven days so actually didn't go to the British Columbia but my trip to Quebec had just a twelve hour flight. There are twelve are flying day because abby go from Orlando to Chicago Chicago. Toronto the Toronto over Quebec a sitting next to a guy who was just coming back from fourteen hours in Tokyo after having come from Singapore. Ooh after all we're hearing is viruses of the covert viruses originating at least predominantly in East Asia. One of the majority of the spread is coming from people who have been traveling there and re returning to the US and so. I basically sitting next to patient zero comfortable though the flight there have been hand sanitizer and I'm just you know He. Alleged borrowers pen to fill out my landing. I landing card going into Toronto so I was like and of course Matt touch my face immediately after that so k. Better up some hands on my face do because that doesn't burn like L. So that was where I was and I but I would be how many ways that that would really change anything else for me so for the show that you did in Quebec. The you get to do was it. Was there any like I guess? I'm the early parts. Everybody's just when you're traveling that's when you're at the greatest risk but doing the show for your job you're in close contact with human beings. Several of them you're near others is there. Was there any sort of anxiety about that from from you or from anybody? Who was on that show? Yeah honestly if the worst virus you get from an audience of wrestling fans is Kobe nineteen. You're probably still pretty lucky I mean there are some places where you know. The virus you get from them is stabbing I really don't think that this is. I was in Mexico last year and I just remember thinking of a certain point like I. I'd audience is taking the serious and the wrong way in that. They know it's a work but I feel like they'd still stabbed anyway just because they think they can get away with it because hey it's the wrestling showman. It's it's heat. You should walk that right. It's only if I stab you because that means you're a good he'll I'm just telling you a good job established you know the Internet just just so anyone knows anyone who was like no. It's okay that I call you really shitty slurs in all these other things because you're healed. I'm helping oh they chanted it the entire crowd. This is an English just wasn't even so this wasn't even necessarily the native Tijuana fans this was. Oh yeah this was their trash bags from San Diego so that and that was what I was wondering like me. You know guys. I feel shame. Sometimes we'll have to tell people what I do for a living. Don't know make my job worse for read only get worse after admit. This is what I do. I know this is totally off topic. But it's something that has been bugging me this whole kind of endothermic. All of a bear movies. They're all like you know this almost apocalyptic or post whatever they and their satirical they always have these commercials that are like Robocop to where the woman was. Okay it said like eight thousand or whatever it is you can go out in the sun. I have been all of these things. Where these cheery and I get. Why people do it. These cheery. Diy like dude. Still make your own out so you can go to the store without dagger expecting an old person. It's so creepy to me I know I would do it but it is so like this token I saw a mask advert with this woman who was like still sexy but in a mask of. That's what that's what we're doing now. Like you still gotta be sexy at a mask. If it's it's I I know how advertising works but it is so dystopia and walk in weird to make. It always goes back on the logic of if we we. It's that weird level of denial while accepting it's happening because you're accepting the thing is happening you're accepting that there is a pandemic that there is a virus that it is potentially deadly but you're almost in denial of what that means because if you admit what it means then you have to deal with the overwhelming depression and it's the old thing of like if you break your legs you don't look at it and see the bone sticking out you're fine. You'll you'll be calm. And he gets to the hospital and you get your leg. Put the set and put back in place and all that stuff at the second. You look at it and see that bone sticking out even if it doesn't physically hurt anymore. Now you're freaking out there. We send us your sexiest mask selfish. It's not just a trap. It's a thirst trap here. We go you know I feel bad for now. Is The superheroes who they they cover everything except for their mouths Batmans trouble spiderman is. He's the smartest of the group he will. Head full is Mellon Captain America. Oh He's screwed it. It's really gonNA hit him hard. He's he's way over seventy Black Panther. He's safe but yeah lucky. Not so much now about fat. Pretty Hair's not saving you. Unless he's in the full gear from the movie. He's got that masculine. There is only one bucky. I acknowledge that is nineteen nineties. Nomad Bucky. Ooh It's a bit of a deep cut but bucky walking around with the baby and a shotgun fighting crime the ultimate nineties version of a superhero. What's his power eight can't die and he's got a gun. I swear we're GonNa talk about wrestling some point but had been television or film that you've been catching up on something that you that you haven't seen before this man on your list that you've that you've gotten into lately not inherently on my list. But I came across. Apparently it's been out for almost a year now but I think you should leave. One of yes. Completely taken aback by I started watching Shortly before this happened that actually started watching documentary now for Stop Tim. Robinson appears in a couple of those episodes. So I recognized. I'll give this a shot and I was completely blown away by how funny it was. And the fact that they actually kept the episodes around eighteen to twenty minutes as opposed to trying to grind on our was impressive choice. But then I also since I've binged Allah Blackish faulk which okay. I haven't seen that one yet. The best way to describe it is it is to black ish. What curb your enthusiasm? Seinfeld where you have the show clearly. They wanted to make. But we're told for twenty years. They couldn't make because it was it was too much for people to deal with and then they made the safe show for awhile at got told. Okay we trust you. You can do this on. Hbo Or on Net flicks and they did and no one was ready for it because it goes to where it goes way way harder than any literally every the title of every episode some buried of Yes. This is also because of slavery. Explain it clearly beltway. Another recommendation if you've Hulu is at a little a little more comedy legend than like the greatest thing ever but The Dana Carvey Show. Which was his project right after. Saturday night live is in its entirety on Hulu. I think there are maybe twelve episodes total before it got cancelled that the sketch. Show your actually have a documentary about it as well to call too funny to fail. Yes and interview everyone that was attached to the show and I think they may have buried a little bit because they've released the documentary shortly before all the stuff. Lucy came out and he was one of the writers on the show. So that our interviews with him in the documentary so I think Hulu May of sort of pushed that one down okay. Let's let's talk about this so much. Well we'll have it available but we're not gonNA push in his art. Yes yeah. That's a tall while he. He had a very tight schedule. He had to make sure he made time to be a complete piece of ship. Exactly how does the the independent wrestling scene? What does it look like right now as it is their idea of like? We're trying to schedule things. A few months down the road or is everything cancelled until further. Notice of the two. There are some promoters who are trying to be optimistic. Still still have stuff books for Muniz recent or as soon as July Because they're logic is better you know they're trying to hedge their bets like if we put it in. July. If everything's open back up we might still get to put the show on And then there are other people who are just indefinitely putting things off for putting things off the later in the fall or even the winter It's it's it's a gamble because unfortunately what we might wind up doing as a society is taking the you know the hell with it. Whatever happens happens route intelligence way worse because right now it does still seem like a lot of the A lot of the actual outrace are still sort of localized in mass in certain areas. You know our Orlando's actually really bad. Which part of the reason I don't go out and why don't go out anyway. But part of the reason I don't go out how is because Orlando's one of the hardest hit areas but it's just talks about it because Rhonda Santa's he's a complete scumbag. Who's done everything he can to hide? This fact I know people who work as physical therapists and nurses in New York. I've heard the horror stories of like one works in an old folks home physical therapy and just like they're dead like they're getting the people by and they're getting told more or less you're sick come into work the matter. We don't care in the same way you have. I think a lot of wrestling companies. Just sort of taking the are believing that okay. We'll get hold at some point. The all clear been you know thrown up and we can run the show and if it Ha- if something happens something happens it doesn't it doesn't some are actually planning new some social distancing and And hand up EP and things like that but one of the biggest concerns is like W W run venues ten thousand people you could fill it with five thousand people and basically the rule is like your group can sit in whatever maximum group of five considering the space and you have to have like whatever three seats between you and the next group if you have a five hundred building for a small pennant show and you sell five hundred tickets. There's you can't distance people. It's impossible the physical space there so now companies have to severely limit the number of tickets. They can sell which risk sloat which lowers the profitability which makes the show was pointless or around without fans. I think beyond the only company can really pull that off right now because that was well beyond subtly was originally run as a non customs estimates company. If that makes sense we're basically they were running normal matches but with no crowd and were selling it to a customs. Audience to people wanted to see custom smashes. That's why they're still be a gender wrestling at the beginning. They've never hidden this. They've never been secretive about it. That was just the marketing of it. It's the same reason why you'll notice psych me and Tim Thatcher wrestled and beyond the other December thirty first show twenty eighteen and that match has fifty thousand views and the inner gender match between. I WANNA say it's like Chris Dickinson and Chris Stat. Lander has like three million views that yet. It's not an accident. That's very much the audience out of their audience. They're not really interested in seeing two guys having a wrestling match with their wants her gender rich so they're used to run no audience show and it's on. I'm common thing but it's also matter the cost versus the payoff when they were doing that. Originally it was. The cost of the shows is low but a lot of their talent has become more notable. Their prices have gone up things like that so it becomes kind of. It's kind of hard to justify. Spending you know five ran on a show that makes you you know four grand so it is a challenge for a lot of them especially and Benue rental and all that other stuff like those. Those are cost that you have to cover and obviously venue rental. They're going to all the venues are going to have to start lowering what they yeah. I'd just I don't see it being profitable for anyone unless it's going to be one of things where you rent a menu and then you just stream it and people pay to watch streaming. That's then I mean and a lot of companies that already but the problem is that you at through while it's not really a problem. They do through groups like fight and item e t which are good companies. Don't get me wrong but the issue is your Prophet from them is so much lower than say doing a direct Salamat. David share something. Like that. Where you'd say okay. Here's ten bucks for the show and that's it and it goes off the company but if you do something like again you fight TV stream. You're getting maybe two dollars. Twenty dollars for charging. Do you ever think I'd done. And they've been doing it. And STAND UP AND OTHER PLACES. Do you think that doing zoom live streaming where people pay you know ten bucks to watch it? Do you think that that's something that could be viable? Theoretically but the issue always gonNA come back down to Avenue this year almost adding an artificial audience right with that the problem would be doing it via zoom. Wouldn't really add anything and even then watching the show live is still question. I I think that's the biggest issue that people want. The show live the methods for broadcasting. It live or very limited if you WANNA make a profit on it whereas if you're doing it through something like a again like a picture or even youtube if you're doing it for sale through them where you're at least getting the majority of the money. It's it's probably a better bet for the companies but it's also there's then no There's no urgency to watch the show you can get the show whenever and that becomes an issue again for the company because even for show makes a profit if it takes five years make the Prophet. What was the point you nuts? You want the prophet within a certain span of time and that's just It it's gotTA sweat a lot of people from trying thrilling adventure hour show that I've done in La for for years we've been doing these live streaming shows where they're only available for the first forty eight hours so once we go live. You've paid for a ticket. You have access for forty eight hours. Then you don't have access anymore and then later on we sell the show again. It's all to raise money for charity so I wonder if there's a way forward there there's some way to to work out the business side of it because I imagine it's a lot is like what happened with Tros to right where it's like. They released it. And you have an X. amount of time to watch it and actually want doing really well and then there will be a secondary rental market. Is that what you're talking about? Some something like that but also the question is will smaller independent. Promotions will technically be able to produce something. That's watchable that that somebody would want to pay to watch as opposed to like. There's something to being there. Live for for an independent show right. Well be the the live experience for wrestling knives. Independent shows really is a big part of the appeal. You could literally watch a show live and enjoy it and then go back and watch it on on tape video and realized it's terrible. Hardly enjoyment is experience of being there. I bury distinctly. Have a memory of me and my older brother when I graduated high school. We drove down to Los Angeles to see heat. Wave Two thousand easy. Wgn free of the only time they did it for you in California. I remember I actually had set the VCR to record raw when we were coming back. I got back and I watched the tape of raw. I remember being bored to tears by it and this was and that was my first live. Show that ever been to and the watching even even watching you see W heat wave two thousand back on video. It's not that good not compared to how it felt when I was there live right so I think the idea of a lot of the selling point for independent wrestling really seeing it live and being having the experience of being that close the energy of having people there so the second you start removing these building blocks. I've told people for when it actually will tell them to watch matches always say you have to watch match at least once with the sound muted because you'll be surprised how many matches get carried by commentary and reaction of the audience that if you take those things away. You have a good match. Don't get me wrong. But not necessarily this amazing classic that has to be that as we watched over and over again for all attorney there even some matches where it's like they'll be one big bumper one. Big Move and everyone goes. Oh my God the mattress so crazy and you go. Well look at the match compared to everything else. Those two done in the previous matches and it's virtually the same except for you know. They ended up top rope reverse rick and that was it. That was the one big spot but you get so caught up in that feeling that group mentality of man. This is so crazy. Everyone's reacting to it and you feel that it's it's I mean it's like swing dancing by yourself and how awkward that feels and someone goes to a club in dances around people or it's called the dance by yourself you guys. It's a fucking pandemic dance by yourself. Take your pants off. We're good so so that'd be pandemic of the disco there. You Sir I will you. You don't even know the ones applet at. I bet jokes on jokes jokes. I absolutely Ryan's me live standup experience where you can have one. Grump GRUMP. That's not laughing even if everything's hilarious and it will ruin it for a whole section of the audience but if everyone is in it and you're hot and everything is working and a lot of obviously the appeal of that is the audience. Feeding off of each other and a lot of that is is that because you can get so close there is the danger element and I think that that is a lot of people go to India wrestling for. They go because they might have someone fall on top of that like that's part of what the appeal is and that again is is it adds to the energy of the experience. You'RE GONNA have that that little rush adrenaline because something so dangerous happened. It's it's like seeing a live animal. Show Kroth aside other buddy to him hats for about the same but the point is you know. The Lion in theory isn't going to eat the trainer but you also notes possibility. They could everyone who goes to see a screen ratio. Knew there was a possibility. One of Tiger's GONNA attack one of a just. No one was prepared for the day. It actually happened when it really did happen. No one was ready for that because it was actually scary. You want the illusion of danger. You want the closest ancient you don't want actual age abuse actual dangerous actual risk in consequence. I and that's what I think is going to be lacking and trying to do any of the alternatives to just running a traditional show with an audience but it also creates the problem of wrestling audiences and wrestlers and promoters there not patient people who have been so now you wind up in a situation where no one wants to wait and have no one wants to wait. Then it feels like someone's GonNa promote a show and there is that risk of an outbreak at the show which no I I remember people even talking to story about how the ls beyond show that everyone got horribly sick after beyond show last year's Eve beyond show and that's one show where it might not even been that because there's been a flu or whatever going around random virus and there was a nasty flu. I got it like there was a nasty flu in November December. That I got what I flew home to Seattle. That was like Super Dot. Fun Again I I hate to paint with broad stroke here but wrestling fans aren't exactly known for their hygiene. I'll tell you what everybody take a break. Wash your pets just wash stinky areas. Just let's just start there while you do that. We'll have some reviews of other shows on the network. If you WANNA talk about anything or trade grooming tips you can do that with us on facebook twitter instagram and discord me. The League in our show notes. We'll be back to talk more with Ryan Grim up next on types of hi Jackie. I'm Laurie Kilmartin. And we have a podcast called the Jackie. Laurie show. Who Were you? Laurie Kilmartin. Oh my God it's so much pressure Santa stand up of the new Santa since nineteen eighty seven I'm a writer for count and I've written a couple of books have a couple of CD's out how to special allowed. Who are you Jackie? Well I am a STANDUP COMIC SINCE. Nineteen eighty-four and I do the road like a maniac and Don't have a cool writing job but I have four albums out working on a new album. We talk about stand up. We talk about all the different parts of stand up comedy. So that's the Jackie. Laurie show and you should subscribe on maximum fun. If you want to hear that and I would encourage you not to a welcome back to fights I'm how loveth I'm joined today by and at least Popular Gach so silent have you watched the wwe. W have you been watching sort of what they've been doing? I have caught several clips and shorter matches of some of the stuff. They've done Ma. I I'm in that mode where I if it's not something that specifically sought out. Because I really enjoy it. I tend to watch wrestling now in. Click form just sort of be aware of what's going on but a lot of time it's. I was wrestling very clinically. At this point in my life I've been wrestling for eighteen years. It'll be nineteen in August. I've been watching wrestling for thirty five years almost It's very hard for me. Just watch him actually enjoyed. If it isn't something very specific like you send me you know Dr Death Versus Kabashi from ninety six. Okay I'll I'll sit down. Watch that but if you say. Hey we've got the latest episode of annexed. Em's we okay. What is there anything interesting happening? Show me the two minute clip of it and then I'll have whatever thought. I have. Hunts man twitter gifts. I feel like everyone's doing it for the gift now. Well from marketing standpoint easiest way to sell the reality of it. There's actually a a wonderful wrestler in England or Gideon Gray who climbed into a balcony at the Erez gallery which is where a person even a couple of companies run shows Louche Britannia that that those places and people started chanting. Please don't jump and he yelled. I'm doing it for the GIF. Now he's a he's a wonderful human being I absolutely. Yeah Yeah. We're all concerned for like. Oh it's not that it's not that high of a balcony to be honest. It's maybe above the ring were talking may basically a steel cage. It'd be about the same BOP if we're okay but see how close steelcase already sounds like sites the worst. I've been in one steel cage match in the worst thing that happened to me in it as an eight-man wargames cage well. We didn't call that because we couldn't legally but as base that me and Marshal von Erich were in the ring at the opening so we are in the match the whole time. Everybody else came out there. Various increments at one point. I crawled turnbuckle. Sorta catch my win and it was so hot in the building. That sweat was pouring down all the turn buckles and I felt that start. Dripping Messy House on the ground were widely in the before time sweat on the face. I cared a sandwich with a friend white back in January we were. What were we doing? Oh I have a clip of a Russell Hat manex in a not Q. Match in Chicago a couple years ago and there is a clip of me licking his blood off of my restate. What are we doing? We were so free we were up. There is a saying going around. If you ever worked for me midsouth. Probably Immune Dacoven is. That canvas had never been clean almost failed to people. That's not a joke. There were there were If you're familiar with PWG early. G BAUSCH and Quicksilver both almost died because of I think rugged strong and Davey Richards both got staph infections from wrestling and I believe it's mid south wrestling PWG. And then quicksilver in and And Chris both got really bad staffing by. I think Gosh wasn't as bad. But quicksilver actually wound up in the ER almost died. They both retired from wrestling after that they were just out with it. They're like so my question before about what's wwe aws just from the clips you've seen. Is there one company that you feel is sort of handling this weird situation better in terms of the product that they're putting out personally not not really? I think part of the issue is always going to be that. It's still very new idea. And I think a e w had the opportunity to more blue underground root with particularly since they brought in a Matt Hardy. Obviously that hasn't been their primary choice and it might make for a little bit of a weird aside for the company. I I would say one thing. They're failing to do right now. Not just them. Oh it's a little more than issue for them because the way W started it counted heavily on you having watched being elite regularly and knowing who all these characters were a no and there was? No there was no introduction. There was no and I understand to a certain extent decision not to do that because I remember hearing about how. Tv shows in the eighties and nineties. They used to structure them to wear. There was no continuing story throughout season because he never wanted people to feel like they miss something if they missed an episode in tune just to knit. They want every episode. If you like the first episode which led some weird things like bring up odd show Tequila Bonetti. Which was the not talking dog. Show with Bruce Blocks lackner one of those guys. What are the characters a cop? She has her brother get kidnapped or murdered like three different times. And it's never the same brother and she's never said to have more than one brother is funny but if you're tuning in for the first time it's okay. It doesn't affect you. But in the nature of a w you characters coming out and no one really knew anyone was and this would actually be a good opportunity to. I mean I'd say spend the money on the footage to see what you can of honor see what you can get from. New Japan and put together almost episodes. That are more like okay. This is Kenny Omega. This is who he is do interviews with them. Show behind the scenes stuff. He's beyond box their story and almost uses as an introductory time. Because it's an easy. It's easy filler. That was a huge hump that how had when we first started like he was getting into a w because like me and CALC like we watch a lot of New Japan we watched being the Elaine. We go to. Pwg me like we know all these things out of it. I knew a lot of people were but at the same time and I wanted to look. I'm happy to watch more. I'm happy to learn more. I WanNa be let in and it felt like a lot of times that I wasn't or the people who I get more invested in I get invested in because of of what I've seen from them so far not anything that they've that they've Keg I've seen some his Japan stuff I know how great he is. So that's fine but like M J F is somebody who I connected with a lot quicker because I liked his. He'll work and he appealed to me and I didn't need to know as much about him because I'm going to you know he's young enough that I'm going to grow with him as he's on the television show. And that's it's something that actually got brought up not too long ago. There's people that were bothered by the Marco Stunt Lance White match more. Because the the thing I tried to I tried to point out people about this is Marco has two choices the either has to be kept completely away from anything serious or he has to be the giant killer and nor from the the giant killer. He has to earn that he has to get killed by by the monsters before. It's kind of like if Luke skywalker in the first movie. It's a lightsaber and kills Darth vader. Right away you don't know why he wants a big deal that he killed vader. You wouldn't know why it was a big deal that he mastered lightsaber anyway. He has to earn that. So it's similar to what they do. Spike DUDLEY SPIKE WS initial Raanan EC. W was probably the most perfect sat up for a giant killer gimmick and ultimately it was because they brought him out with the Dudley Boyz and they had them get killed week after week after week after week and then eventually he beat them and it was okay spike the giant killer and then it's like Rhino needs an opponent rhinos call out whoever's got the guts to face him outcome spike Dudley. Inspite takes it to him. Mike Awesome these an opponent outcome. Spike Dudley takes to him and even if he doesn't win he's now been established as credible threats and being very mysterious ray spent majority of his WCW career in the cruiserweight division with a few ventures out into the working with heavyweights but when he got the wwe. They didn't really have a cruiserweight division so they had to start booking in with bigger guys and they had to establish that Reagan hold his own. If you just have rehauled his own right away then okay. Just another guy. It's the same thing with when it's actually the reverse probably heavily giant whenever you put a giant out there if they don't kill everybody right away and for a while then them being there doesn't matter they're just another wrestler on the roster. The thing that makes them special is that they are so much bigger. And that guys do get destroyed really quickly you gotTa Look Yeah I don't believe in that. That's the one thing I despise the Super Gimmicky over the top ridiculously. It's one of those deals where I look at it. Like the hell in the cell. It's a thirty foot high cage. It's fifteen feet high. Have you fallen from fifteen feet high? It's really far in hurts a lot. You don't Need Pillai. You don't need to tell me that it's a thirty foot high cage for me to be worried. I stand up on a stool in your house and see how far down at deals. It doesn't if you're not impressed by seeing him really do something. Why would him doing the fake thing? Impress you that's what I never appreciated is when they do that with guys. It's if he can really flip an ambulance. Let him do it. But if he can't if he can but he can deadly nine hundred pounds let him dead with the minor boundary people. Let them know you can do that? I I do like watching dumb shit. Like if you're grappling Hook drove me insane that one. I lost my mind when I saw that. About how his the first thing I thought was why the Hell is there a grappling hook? He's not Mabel. This is gravity falls. Why would he epigraph response to that? What word even if you could hold out the staging grappling hook? I feel like you've done a bad job setting that up. I don't WanNa meet the Union Rep. That has to explain. Why a single human. Being no matter how large they are was able to pull down this stage with just a grappling Hook a hell of Shaquille O. W. W UNION. So well you know. I did not say that US about no-one said at that was done wasn't so one of the things I've seen you doing online and doing it before this time was you were offering to critiques. Critique People's matches could send you video of a match. You could take it because you've done work as a as a as a teacher trainer as well. What is the most common mistake but both physically and just in terms in terms of storytelling in a match that you see over and over again well the most communist? Akc is that people repeat things I've seen on TV with context. I joke in the same way. Works onset of payoff. But if you expand the Edmund Payoff you notice that it works in pretty much every aspect of storytelling movies old. Chekhov's gun thing. Yeah and a lot of time with wrestling. You have people who I explained this in A. There's a podcast ended with a friend of mine Harry who's he does a lot of stuff for limitless wrestling out of Maine and beyond wrestling He has also. He's done. Photography suffered Debbie Annex t Nba's really good guy. Harry has a podcast called learning the fall. And we were talking about it because I explained to him before that. We're in this weird generational thing with wrestling where we're like seven generations. Deep guys who grew up watching is who grew up watching is watching. I grew up watching guys who grew up guys. You guys who were wrestlers So a lot of stuff we do. We do without questioning it. And the first thing I tell people in whenever seminar is asking me questions and question everything I'm telling you like to my face. Tell me if something doesn't make sense. Tell me if you need an explanation because I if I can't respond by can't explain why I doing this online teaching via believe this that I don't have much. An argument took the quote Rodney dangerfield watching a back to school the other day. How do you know? The last guy wasn't crazy The Guy who underlined that that passage new book May Be Crazy. Might not know what he's talking about. So if you're just looking for the underlining the other people have done in assuming it must be right you're gonNA you're gonNA run us the plot but I see things like people would do like Memphis. He'll TV spots with the REF. And I is okay. Well can you not do job in this town clean? Nodes the wild and wide you finish because those finishes were done usually because awesome brother. This is to blow Mississippi. I got a lot of people in your sport me. I can't do a job in Tupelo. So yeah we got we got to do. Some Guy Do Gaga there for the finish within guys copies finishes because they've seen him and old Arnesson's a good wrestler so the spot must be good. Well it worked for thirty years ago and that's good for iron thirty years ago but there's a reason why art and again stand up comedy. There was a point where the rapid fire one liner was how you did comedy and even before that it was the slow one liner. You go up you tell a joke people laugh you tell me Joe People Laugh then. It got to be the rapid fire. One liners new and I think the last really do that was entered as clay. Elise last. WanNa remember where it was just one line or one line or one line because he was doing basically Rodney Dangerfield spit and now let her near. Yes I actually I. I have a photo saved in my phone. Sucio need addressed this police officer and every once in awhile I will. I'll send it to people when I feel like they need to go to jail. Well that that will bring something. I'll talk about later. There's a lot of people need to go to jail. It's wrestling fans again are lonely but We point being is another another issue. That comes up was the The he'll yelling at the referee. I absolutely hate it and the reason I hated is because you can't pin the wrath. You can't beat the rap. You can't make the reps submit so the ref doesn't actually affects. You can't win by fighting the rest and if you lay hands on the wrath. You're disqualified. What one thing. I genuinely enjoyed doing it on. How show once in annex t we wrestling the Ascension Anti Sean Bennett? Who's one of the rafts. He admonished me and I stopped and looked at my what you're right. I'm sorry I will not do it again. And he started laughing is all. You're never heard that before. I generally did not cheat after that and the match because I'd been admonished. If this it's like soccer once they throw down that Yellowcard. You have the choice of taking the ejection with the red card or following the rules for the rest of match. Those two choices and weirdly wrestlers will keep trying to get another yellow card. Despite the fact there is no second yellow card the Rep should disqualify you but so many kids are so used to watching wrestling and going well. Ric flair did this yet. That WORKED FOR FLARE. Flare was over like a motherfucker. You can't tell ric flair what to do but Intel. You get to that point. You have to think about these things more critically. I WanNa everything's tell people is that less is more when you're over in. Hell you get over. Moore's more no one ever paid full price for Haffey cheeseburger. That's I told I will not. I'll not credit my source on that one but BECCA sees a bad person but it was an utterance occurred in I believe FCW that almost got a guy fired because his response to less is more was raised his hand and tell the trainers know. It isn't Moore's more you guys to say that because you're lazy you pay full price for happy cheeseburger. Have everyone sitting next to him immediately. Got Smaller at pushed away slightly. Exactly the clearance farted in voiding avoiding the empty beer bottle of those throwing his face but Oh my God talk about this forever Danielle. Do you have anything you want to ask? Because I I've been asking I've been doing the thing. Okay question out Juliet. You have a question from Julian. Simon I think we talked about this very briefly on twitter. Not that long ago where where it seems like fans. I don't want to say that it's dishonest. Because you're allowed to feel whoever you want about. Whatever you're watching but I just sometimes it feels like fans are are willing to watch wrestling like the kid at the at the. Who's watching the magician and just trying to call out that something's fake constantly like they wanna be like. Oh No no no no I could seat. They're doing that wrong or he oversold that constantly. Why do you think we got to that point so okay so we're GONNA have to go to one thing that people don't like talking about which is the The four letter F word and wrestling that no one likes to use which is fake when someone says wrestling is fake. The referring to two very different things. The first thing that referring to is that it is not a legitimate contest where two people are trying to win a fight. That is very specifically what they're referring to but the second half of that the part that usually makes it. So shall we say aggressive when you have someone hitting with a you know wrestling's fake right right is that they're trying to inform you? They know it's a con and they will not be con- that don't try and tell them it's real because they know it's not and if someone says it's you'd be wrestling's fake if you go yet is they're gonNA go. Oh and almost time ago well dump those guys really get hurt. Yeah but you know something. Really get her. Jackie Chan isn't actually fighting a gang full of random people in rumble in the Bronx. But he still got hurt. Making the movie repeatedly ROKA's ankle Got Lacerations from beer bottle. All sorts of stuff we feel so attacked by the phrase fake by the word fake that we miss the point that it's a conversation piece. I bring this up. Because when wrestling became so openly at work the audience had to start trying to justify their fandom and what happens is then they go and try and look at wrestling from a restaurant standpoint of business. Import wrestling is not a business. Wrestling was never the business. The business was the car. The business was a misrepresentation of what? You're seeing legitimate contest. That was the business that was what people trying to protect because it was criminal do that. There's a t shirt that says. Progress is not a crime and I'm like well it. Sure as fuck used to be but we look at a lot of this stuff and we go okay. Why do you like wrestling? Try to look at it from the rest of standpoint and bill here things own dressing is all about drawing money. Yeah when you're getting paid off. The gate wrestling was about drawing money. Because that was how you made your living but objectively as an art form as I say movies are all about making money to a certain extent they are and who some people in the industry they are but do you think that when John Carpenter was making the thing that he was really concerned with how much money he was. GonNa make that his is always like oh man or GonNa make so much money off this movie however you want to slice it wrestling. It does have aspects of art in it. They don't approve. The good ones. Never approach as this will make money. Because you're making a product. It's a camel. You're making something to please people not making something good and if we know about people's that they really don't know what they like they know they're totally but getting back on track here. What winds up happening in this in this environment is now instead of listening to or just enjoying what you enjoy people now trying to justify by going. Oh this guy was a good draw. This guy's a good bump in heal. Oh this guy had a great promo. A Promo was literally commercial for a match and the reason wrestlers would say oh. Hey it's all about the Promo was because again. If this is a real fight you just need to be convinced to watch it. Which means you need to understand why you should like this guy. Why should hey guy be? Unfortunately people misunderstood that and thought. Oh so promos. Most important if promos are so important. And why is it w still doing matches? Despite the fact they don't have an audience. Why aren't they just promise? Why is it when a professional wrestler bales on the show or can't do a show for some reason and they go? Hey Man instead of giving you your money back you paid me. How about just cut a Promo? You can hear the show. Promoter goes no because at the end of the day the show is always going to be about the rest of the matter. How you slice it and how you break it down even something like the woes of the bone yard batch. What was the one off nigger and aged at the end of the day? It's a pro wrestling match. They may have shot at like a fight scene. But I didn't see Blood Squibb's I didn't see wire work. I didn't see any of that stuff. I saw two guys essentially having a wrestling match in the confines of a movie set. So if that's the case then there's very basis for a lot of fans will say I mean they're wrestling fans. Who will listen to someone like Vince? Russo and just parrot. Whatever he says ambulance. Oh Bro you gotta get you gotta get over with With casuals but audience members have this completely warped understanding because they will hear a Vince Russo. Or Jim Cornet or a whenever random old shoot interview. It's on Youtube for free and they'll go. Oh that's what wrestling's about that's what I should like. I saw someone defending gender Mahal saying well. He's a good bump and he'll rows of your opinion of gender. How does that affect your enjoyment as a fan as a fan? Why does him being a good bumpy? He'll something that would matter to a baby face who's got a fiery comeback and needs a good bump and he'll why would that matter to you as a fan it wouldn't it does become it does become challenging because the audience is trying to just by the Phantom by by in their mind approaching recipes? Approach it but they don't understand the reasoning and that again the saint. He was saying well guys a good draw. Okay that affects him. How does it affect you as an audience member? Have you ever been sitting in a crowd like man so many people here this a great match? I can't imagine so literally just going vast your how our show. Oh Dude was a sell out. How the matches? Oh man let me tell you some. They drew held house tonight. How did you like it? The ratings this segment were insane. Do not have an opinion on. Did you not enjoy it? And if you don't enjoy wrestling why watch wrestling. There's so many better. There are many better shows to watch than wrestling. If you don't arrests like either probably you could probably turn on Hulu and pick anything at random and it finds you like more than wrestling if you don't like wrestling. So why watch wrestling did not enjoy it. I don't get that this fantastic if you have any thoughts on less people listening. There's no way you don't and you can connect with us on facebook twitter. Instagram and discord. Be The links in our show notes. Keep this conversation going. We're going to be back after this break. 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What would you like to put over to I would? I would suggest that he look at. Obviously you have the the time wanted us all over. Layla Hirsch WHO's young woman? Out of. I believe Philadelphia and Map Makovsky. Who's a another from the area? Leila's actually extremely interesting human being on top of being a berry powder. She's GonNa be huge in the future. She's a twin so she has twin sister. She's a Russian Jewish immigrant. Who was adopted? So she's an adopted child living in the US. She's a standout amateur wrestler and she's actually already to start promotion in Japan so she she's very talented. She has got a very. She's got a huge upside and honestly she's still only twenty two twenty three. She's actually dating actually box of the Sea Star so she's genuinely interesting person. There's a lot of layers here. I think people would really be fascinated by also I. I just have a fascination with anyone who's like Fiala can legitimately German suplex people that's always cool but I'm at Makovsky who's actually a former. Mia fighter moves. Also out of the northeast area. I think it's like Philadelphia may be Maybe Rhode Island some around there. But Matt is one of the few guys you'll see out there in the marketplace right now understands how to blend actual combat of Ju and kickboxing with pro wrestling. A Lotta guys have those skill sets but never really apply or they don't know how to use them but he's phenomenal at doing and I think he's going to be really big next few years and I think everyone's takes time to look up Botha Leyla Harrison Map Makovsky and enjoy some really wrestling awesome. Danielle like to put over wrestle twitter or showing up and showing out. Y'All decided to bring Back Russell. Twitter after dark deputy od. I'm seeing all of my mutuals buck naked on the time line without warning. 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Ep. 195: Mommy in the Bank

Tights and Fights

51:01 min | 5 months ago

Ep. 195: Mommy in the Bank

"The park is not perfect. Resume His dad and this gone off. Aw We'll let you sweep of been at for a million years and will be a million would. It's like started breathing midnight. We started this podcast at. I can't remember ever did before. Who Welcome to tights and fights this show discussing wrestling with the sincerity and hilarity deserves. I'm the Michael J. Fox wrestling podcast. The level champ. How loveline at I'm joined today by my fellow members of the Nation of conversation? I Love I the way I have to point this out. Nobody gets to see. This is inside baseball. The script is constantly rewritten for each week. So it's just the same script over and over again with things. Julian changes all things and sometimes he doesn't and sometimes you get to see the point where he got confused or had something else come up because he works on several shells so I wanna read this. Don't you dare Type List Julian? You're muted right now. Joined today by my fellow. Member of the nation of coversation be Danielle Radford. How loveline Danielle Radford see Lindsey CALC or d? None of the battery an tonight is the right to not bright. That's a good one like with a double because like I right. Yes she wants to be very good. It's not it's not a nice the right I just. I just do feel like in these uncertain times. It's important to be very clear about written down jokes. I think it's very important. She's he added something but now I don't WanNa read it. It's good we'll do it next week. How about that no way out Daniel Radford committed I did I did I've come on? Look this has been extended indefinitely here in Los Angeles. I have nothing left to do but commit. I got nothing but time a baking cookies again tomorrow. That's life life is good. Here we go. We had another. Wwe Pay per view this week which we're going to get to at a second because it was not the most significant news for this week in wrestling. That would be Becky Lynch relinquishing Hurrah Women's Championship to Oscar. The money in the bank winner on the women's side and why because she's going to be a mother. You're the team so you go and be a warrior because I'm going to go be a mother. It's the best thing in the world is very sweet. She Man I like when people do the things that make them happy and honestly like the Women. Because we like. I'm sorry we have to fucking acknowledges everyone listening to this. Podcast probably does but sometimes recommend us to your shitty friends and I wish you didn't obviously dudes can have a baby and still go on the road and do all that stuff. They might not want to like they might be really like. I really don't WanNa do that. But they can. Women cannot fucking do that so hard. Just really hard I was talking about it with With Jeff the unseen member of Nation of conversation. He does like this and we were talking about it and he was like. Oh so it's June December. Perfect she'll be back for mania and after I had spat out my wine. What well that's four months right. And what's the first weekend of April? So it's really three months depending on when she's having it in December and also she's going to heave a human out of her body she's GonNa have a human in her and then it's going to come out and then it's like that's not easy. I Jackal Ni- but this is the thing about men having opinion. There's been a lot of dudes having opinions about becky being pregnant right now and one of the things. I think attuned two part of what I was saying earlier but also like. Do you guys not understand that? The entire female body becomes a new thing. Our internal organs move because there was a thing there. Now it's not like you just get a belly and then like the babies and the front of it like that fuck and homer car from episode of the Simpsons. There's just a bubble and there's homer like your organs shift and move in squish up and down and like compact and all of this stuff to make room for this annual muscles ten and your skin tat a whole bunch of tearing not just moving. That's tearing the most uncomfortable part of your body to split like most people do that and I don't WanNa take a bump if I've just had an appeal to me. I just call me crazy. I'm not going to the top right when I've just had my taint stitch back together. They literally they send you home. If you do a birth canal birth they send you home and tell you hey get a bunch of Maxi pads soak in water and put them in the fucking freezer for you to sit on like it is not a joke. You'd like babies were in your body. The idea that she's like she sprained an ankle. You guys like the idea that she would be back in fucking tiptop shape see. Dukes don't fucking recognized how much that's why I haven't had one because all of that sounds awful. I mean we know from Brie. Brie had a really difficult birth with Bernie and she was really on. Well we know that. And you know. Bree came back and didn't tell anyone about how bin and then everyone just went in on a so. I'm sure becky isn't exactly thinking. Oh you know what the one time? This has happened before it went so well. It went so well that she will never wrestle again. That's how well it went. She will never fucking view and again. We only know what we know. I seen so many people rushing to have opinions on what she should do. She will do what she has done whether it was planned. Whether she's ever GonNa come back and let you know we only know what. Which is these people? We like having a baby. So yea and you're allowed to be sad. 'cause you will miss becky in the ring. That's okay but you're not allowed to like tell her how she thinks skills and should act for the sake of argument. Let's decide. Let's say she if she doesn't come back if she decides she's done she's happy like just doesn't feel the itch to come back. Whatever happens like big life. Change like that exactly. We cannot predict anything serious if if this were the end of her in rain career when you look back on Becky Lynch the wrestler. Does it feel like an unfinished symphony. Or does it feel like she got out the exact right time because there was literally nothing left for her to achieve year where she was be biggest not the biggest women's wrestler she was a B. Biggest top billed best wrestler in all of wrestling one year. I don't think anyone can ask for for. I mean obviously you want more already. Wanted to have a large career but also like man if she were to decide. I'm going to get out while I'm young. I'm GONNA stop throwing myself at the ground. I'm GONNA stop having like Kuma defined find my career happening when I can't remember them confessed. If she decides to go off and do that she can be an actor and not like and not like how some people go out and they're like Oh. I was wrestling but now I'm an actor like Arya but in the way that like she's actually very good at talking and I'd she could be a very good she was. I know this is not saying much. She was the best part of the marine movie that she was in. I genuinely thought that she was very very good And I think that if she like like she's already you can see that she's amazing at all the stuff She's got a very distinct great. Look I think that she could be like a female by rock? I think that she could be a John Cena. And then come back and do stuff but then go off and be like I was in wrestling and everyone loved me. I had a kid. I want to focus on that and acting as a better thing for me. I I think she's got a better chance than most people do that. Being able to happen she was already on the billion show and now she's going to be on the marvel movie at some point later this later in the next took years so I think that she really primed for that. And hopefully if Sasha's active though L. She can also start thinking about maybe as much as I love those people in the ring and I want them to do. Well what do you think yeah? I feel like it's it's like she would. She would easily win for best limited series. You know it's the perfect run but I I would love to see her have a perfect career and it's like if this is her career than it was a perfect bubble. It's just I wanted it to see it. Play out to be a legacy. I wanted to see it. Play out and see how that story grows like. You say she's leaving at the perfect time. She never lost her belt. She's leaving undefeated. She's leaving on top. She's leaving having one at Wrestlemainia will will the women ever main event wrestlemainia again like in the space of her career. We don't know in this poker. That might never happen again. but I just really wanted see a legacy career. Looks like for a woman and I wanted to see her in Charlotte. Sasha Bailey go after him until the end of days which might not be that long from now so I mean literally the clock's ticking that is something thinking a lot about. I know this is completely off topic. But whatever it is the idea of the Li like a C- career and the people who stay in part of me feels like we are possibly at our last generation of Jericho's we're at our last generation of people who were like. I love this so much and the people who have done it. Who have stayed in. You know all of them about obviously like a good amount of success. Not like they've at least been the top of a company that they were at I don't I wonder because of everything that people have seen and because of the history and because there are so many other outlets now to get your name out if it becomes a thing where maybe we don't see as many legacies and it's also and here's a bummer thing that I was also thinking about which has nothing to do with becky's choices because she's allowed to make them is if Shitty dudes go. Oh well you you make someone the top woman in your company. You make them the top facing the company and they don't pick don't go get fucking pregnant and stuck up which is which is why. Which is what all companies do which is why we get paid less than I was GONNA say. That's how many of us know someone that that happened to or it happened to us. We all know someone who the happened to all of us by as I mean ladies but actually all of us every mom and Lee cited which they can't really say it now but it's one of those when they do those at like anonymous studies of dudes they're like Oh yeah like a woman just GonNa forgotten get pregnant and then go be a housewife. So why would promote her? Why would we give anything? Why would we? And it's like well if you would give another chances. And all that ship before she got whatever I have significant. But that's just another factor that weighs into this that becky shouldn't have to worry about but will be something that unfortunately should ask promoters. We're GONNA take into consideration so we'll we'll come back to that at the end of the show because I'm going to be putting over something related to that women get in here. Now get it here now and be like. I'm not getting pregnant and got over it. I want to go back to king of the money in the bank. Fucking all the fucking okay. I WANNA go see the rest of the card before talking about the actual money in the bank match itself. Because I'm still processing having watched it yesterday for the first time. Seth rollins lost his match to Jim. Mcintyre seemed crestfallen afterwards. That carried over into Monday night raw. His tag matched with Buddy Murphy. Against Alston Black and Ramos. Stereo which culminated a practically catatonic. Seth rollins snapping and then injuring Ramos Cheerios and rubbing it into the corner of the steel stairs beyond Stereo took guts the point of the steel stairs into the eyes of Ramos Stereo wrong. Yeah I am on record. I don't I stop and like we just did. I stuff in and I didn't enjoy the W is off so I'm not going to enjoy the. Wwe Is stuff anymore. I'll tell you what though I liked. The rollins turn this version of his character. But he's out now right is he? He's gotTa be out. I don't know I think she's out. I don't think he's he better not be going home. Yeah I have no idea I mean you think Roman has given them a call. I'm staying home because of babies and you know he's a company man says is companyman. Yeah I don't know no idea. I liked the swerve is liked it of him being like Oh he lost so he's cast on it as long as it is he lost so he's cast onic and not just like he knocked up. Becky Lynch and now he's gotTa Tonic. Because I'm like. Oh this has got some ugly. This is the way men behave when the get pregnant energy about it which I didn't love and people were like. Oh this is funny. Oh it's not funny but if this is just I lost to drew and now I've lost my mind cool new. This seem to be that way. That's the the idea that men freaking out when a woman gets pregnant is always that the idea that the woman is trying to trap him for what he has yes. Shit from no set route is fine. We also had a fatal four way tag match for the titles of new day retaining over MS Morrison Lucia House. Party and two other people can't remember can't remember who it was forgotten. Sons forgotten sons. Right wasn't the forgotten so I don't know I don't know and I don't care like I hate the main restaurant so aggressively right now. No no forgotten sons. Bad Bad people will. Let's move on them. The sorry Bray Wyatt. Not the not the whatever the fuck that. Things Company does the favorite wrestler Trait Mike of all time. Listen we're moving into what week eight week. Nine fucking talk about that anymore. The fien wasn't there so he came out on the sweater. They had a match. That was interesting. Enjoyed the story of it. Just you put the mask on. And it looked like he was gonna end but then he didn't and oh no now the fiend us to come out and kick. Can we really like at at the cornerstone of fashion? No in the World GonNa Need Good Mask. Full cozy sweaters sweated. We not pretend like we're surprised that that all of wrestling goes to the same. Well repeatedly of course he's GonNa put the mask on and then take the match. Why would you introduce the mask? If you're not gonNA that's checkoffs gun right. Their checkoffs sheep mask they pull it out of course is GonNa put it on and neither crush it or take it off and that's and that'll be the end of the. I really WANNA theme Sheet Mask. Now you can get them. They exist Wwe overweight website. But they are also twelve ninety nine. You don't spend twelve point nine nine a mask sheet masks. Because I don't want we face now I want I want I want. I want a cucumbers absorbing. Yes I mean if they leave that that's money on the table then even money on the table before Florida lifts old bands and they just start packing stadiums again and I cry because a terrible idea. Can we please just have bray versus the fiend? While we're still doing weird pre-taped Shenanigans Shit. Because now we saw now he refers to the fiendish separate person. And let's get it out the way. Get a big white body doubles that you can get the the can get. The Classic Twins Dapo Gaiger Sitcom Y- it's easy if they can do firefly funhouse man. They can do braver sustained late. Let's just get this done. I'm more interested in seeing bray in a lumberjack match with lumberjacks and all those fucking puppets from the firefly who showed up for the greatest thing if I were all is it. Means we get the buffets need an audience anymore. Wash your face. Pig are filthy filthy. I think they are. They make fine pets. Apparently on the women's side Bailey retained her title in a match against Amina. Yep those a fine match that happened. I appreciate yeah. I appreciate that everyone is giving to Meena love. Yes because obviously she needed she needed right now all of the stuff so I get it because it has nothing to do with her. I also get that she has been doing it forever and that people wanted to give her shine. I am not going to pretend like I have always been. I've always been like I'd like to meet like I think she's really fun when she does like a limited role as like the heavy. And you don't ask her to do a lot of moven. I think that she's great. I'm not going to go back and like revisionist history and be like you guys didn't realize Brits Mita is like two Menas cheesy but I'm glad that she's getting her shine but she could program it just it feels like a step on the way to Bailey versus Sasha Right. That's and those matches are always fine. I mean have they managed to break out and shine in their own right but it does feel like a stepping stone on the way to Bailey. Sasha which is no not onto meaner all it's just a storyline. Everyone's been waiting for so long. It's like it just has to happen now does it say has to as though that's a rational response to anything in the WWE fucking no. Well no but I get the logic. I think it just one of those things where it's like they keep going back to the Sasha Bailey. Well which shows that like Beethoven know what to do with either of those people and mess. They are together and unless they are fighting each other. I just as should because of summer slam being in Boston. But now who knows who knows so. Me and my assumptions are made an ass out of myself and myself so good. The thing is like with Sammy and and Kevin they still do their own stuff and then when they're in the same room it's Peter and the fighting chicken right but like they can still go off and have their own adventures and then we just know that they have that thing and I wish that they would do that. More often with Bailey and Sasha because it always winds up gravitating back to them and yeah we know they can put on fucking classics. They can put on a great goddamn match. We're all GONNA be Chasing Sasha Bailey Brooklyn for the rest of our lives. Let's be real. It's what am I one of the best matches of time when I'M NOT KIDDING. You asked me if you want you but you're wrong but I I'm ready for them to figure out what else to do with those two because they just don't they can't stay ready keeping ready ready you know. He's wonderful canceled today. Because I'm still processing. I didn't make new emails. He Mel just let you make as many as I can. Not The network. I mean being on the show today. I wanted to talk about it now. I I don't know what the fuck so totally. It's so fucking all over the place and let it sort of a fight but it's also kind of ridiculous like the idea of a ladder match is ridiculous conceit if you just throw it out there. Oh we're going to dangle something over the ring and meet people climb up and get it out. That is the whole idea of a ladder match and then but with the right participants it becomes dramatic and it becomes suspenseful at it becomes violent in a good way for pro wrestling fan and sometimes in a bad way a pro wrestling fan. This one just felt so weird. I think the worst part. Oh this is tough. It's gotta be between brother. Love coming out of the shitter little first of all do but put your pants up before you come out of the stall. He knew someone was in the more people. And then the the other got to Vince. But just vince the AJ in data O'Brien of of it were great then putting the office back together and then coming out like there were moments that I like. I was like well. This was the whole thing the whole time. That's okay but it felt like it. Kinda shifted back and forth and also poor data Dana. She's the titus. O'neil now of the women's Stephanie. You known for slipping and falling. She could record her segment on her shitty owns and have it looked like it was the regular part of the show eight. Dana. Are You doing newsflash? This is the money in the conference room. You guys are destroying the building. The real money in the bank briefcase is on the roof. Oh can you clean that up? Just drooling all over the place gross. Here's my impression of Stephanie in The body the bag match. If you haven't seen it away from her what's going. This is the this is a conference long. Yeah it wasn't steffes best work that's my. I just might have an iphone in my iphones picture. Quality is considerably better than whatever they were using to record. Steph. What did you do? They just have like a old MAC pro. Zoom camera like is that they were doing it. Like I don't even know. Is it like a first agenda ipod? Like when you're great. Aunt aunt takes it out on holiday in Italy and starts taking photos with the old and your life. I've had down other people would also like to see Bon Jovi and I came to this concert. I'M GONNA have my ipad out of my head and no one gets to see John except my ipad was just so weird that that one moment was so poorly done. I didn't have a problem with the match. In general I surrendered my disbelief right at the beginning when asked got in the lift elevator and everyone else brought up the stairs and then they beat her which was like lifts off faster than stairs. This is this is the truth. Also why didn't she just got the lift all the way up to the top and just Mosey on the briefcase instead of getting out like a couple of floors up like I did at that point. I was like okay. I realized logic was not going to be my friend today. I realize I need to let go of a bunch of stuff to enjoy this. Yeah and that's fine and after that once I just let it happen. I had a rip roaring good time and I do just want say anecdotally. All of my friends kids that watch wrestling loved it. Like an F. Ed Gulf of this was to bring in the new audience and to entertain the kids. They smashed out the park. Because I had Sony messages from people tweets as well people say oh. It was my kids favorite ever match. We've watched it ten times like I think the kids have taken hold of this match like they would trolls to you. Know when a kid is obsessed with something and they watch every day and every time you see them they try and tell the plot from beginning to end and then also goes into the forest and then in the forest all these things and Elsa fights the things but then she rides a horse and then she finds a parents and then it finishes and it's the best movie ever and they do it every time they see you even though they've they've already told you the blow of frozen to ten times details change because are dying because they've watched eighteen times and each time is different moving them because I don't know I think this is this is WWe's kid movie that they can just watch over and over and over and over and still enjoy it. I was surprised at the men's winner. You know let's see whether going with it. Oh Lord go I corps. You're talking about Otis. Winning after struggling over the over the briefcase popped up in the air and because he had control and like a football reception the two hands. His feet were planted. He got that he's got low balanced. Yup The cat as he becomes the winner. I like I like when they surprise me with something where it's like. You know what that did have been doing. Really good workflow ask you months. I get why they would do that. Given the thing let him have thing he's GonNa leave. The bank used to be that it was for people who were like on the edge of something to be like. Hey let's see what happens. Give them another thing. Yeah and then. Suddenly it just like now. What is going to give it to the people who we would have been giving title shot the anyway. Why have John Cena everyday the money in the bank? Same but that doesn't make any sense. You should be giving you two guys like that. They were doing really well with these storylines who are very well executed That the writer for that was a woman should just. Don't know that story lines that were really well executed and he did a great job with them and yet you you give him that and you see what happens and maybe it becomes a thing. Where like it's amazing and we all really enjoy it or maybe becomes a thing where he corbin. We don't know it could be really funny. I feel like it could be really fun with him. Just like on the outskirts of title fuse hanging around coming in doing some worms now with Mandy as well like I'm not I'm not mad about it at all. I I'm choosing to be optimistic about one thing this thing. Hey you know what? That's a good note to go out on this segment. Let's be optimistic about Otis as the money in the bank winner. If you have any thoughts of what? We've discussed so far connect with us on facebook twitter instagram and discord via the links in our show notes. We'll be back to talk about the week in wrestling. That's up next on. Titans Bites came ex. Funster it's Jesse Thorn this week on my public radio interview show Bullseye. I'm talking with Tina Fey and Robert. Kerr lock about creating unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt thirty rock and also just kind of why they're the best at everything. There was a window of time but we go to awards things and pick up our prizes and party with the people from Madman. You can find Bullseye at maximum fun dot org or wherever you listen to podcasts. Just search for Bullseye. With Jesse Thorn CA. Welcome back tights and fights. I'm how Lublin and I'm joined today. By and Lindsey Count. Let's talk a little bit about what else happened on. Roger just a couple of things edge and ORTON had a really strong promo to close the show. I'm just GonNa give list and then we can go back and talk about whatever whoever you want upside down in disgust. Bobby Lashley and MVP. Maybe teaming up soon. Lana screaming mad about it street. Prophets of the Viking raiders played some basketball. They play in fast skit ball and most importantly the connex made their return billion. I do not need the championships to prove. Just how motivated we are to win? The future has already arrived here Monday night raw because we are defeated bliss and Cross in a non title match that I would want to talk about a little bit more. X's nice to see them back. That may be happy. So it's a happy thing there just are Raya fucking sunshine with a lot of I think sometimes a script stuff for women and it's not and I don't blame it on the writers because I think a lot of it is obviously we know that it all goes through like eighty million things but like sometimes I would all wrestlers like those scripts something. That's funny. That doesn't necessarily play to like that person's stopping I think the women they especially have that problem run and with the ICONEX. I will say no matter. What Dumb Shit they give them. They always fucking make it work. I Love Them. I was so happy to see them back. I was happy to see them win by cheating as well because it felt like. Oh this is nice. This is good. This is a good things and a real tag team tag team. Yes a realtor ideals. Yeah not just not just two people that we like you put together in a thing like a real tag team with realty team offense and defense speaking tag teams. Let's jump to annex t where imperium became the tag champs by defeating Matt Riddle Timothy Thatcher in Ming later had an issue with one another. I liked that of quick break up. And what a great match like like obviously Thatcher's a guy that they knew could come in and perform right away so they didn't they just kinda threw him into it and he obviously knows what he's doing. This is not his first Rodeo nor is it his second and I assume their their rivalry will continue into the in your house pay per view which is forthcoming but just really like the whole show. I really enjoyed the entire annexed. One Senate wrestling is so good is so good and yeah it was great and I understand why they slotted him in to be like. Hey we have one guy do that time. Another white guy do that and like no but it but it's not a one to one like completely different it turns out not all white guys Sam. You guys have different have different. They may all wear black T. shirts but they have different things that they do and so it didn't quite work for them to just like do a one on one with riddle ends on. Glad Lake. Now they're Stephan and having to do something else. Because I think about dynamics may be really funny I wanna see those two dudes. I'm sad it's not be but I'm happy it's Timothy if that makes sense like I miss him if he camp I mean he can't know he'd gone and it's hard to find to not conventionally good looking men have ripped bodies in. Wwe You know so. They found two they swapped them. And now we've got timothy so you know it's working with what he's got. And I will watch Margaret will do anything I love him so much even the terrible newly bros. segment I still like. I still laugh Matt. Go ahead and write down what you had for breakfast this morning. And as you write that down I direct the burning question to you timothy. Tell us what do your partner have for breakfast. I have no idea what riddle would have for breakfast. Broker that's correct. I don't even know what I had for breakfast. I usually wake the wife bakes. She's a really good cook. What were we talking about? I'm sorry that was really fucking funny like some things great. I like that segment. I really love that. They're calling it in your house. Oh I do not I. Big Bay should be their houses. I think the problem that I think be okay with it if it was called. Aleksey in your house and we're testing our employees but it's not it's called see in your house. We're not testing anyone. We're all GONNA die. It makes me it just makes me. I get it. I'm like Nah I just makes me anxious. It makes me. I don't want to watch the next pay. Per View of an exceed we are infection rate. Went up by seventy five percent afraid. I'm so afraid. And it's not like I don't want to say because I know that a lot of people like were harping on. Wwe specifically for this for Florida related. Reasons like there's a reason why it becomes what everyone's talking about ww but they're not talking about ww didn't pay people is there is a difference But I I worry for all of them but I will say that one thing that eighty w is doing is at least are being as transparent as they can be about what they're doing and I wish that we would get that from wwe but the but the thing is wwe knows that when you start being transparent about shit and that means you have to answer to things so you can give. You can just give it like. Oh Yeah we have standards in place and then never tell anyone what that is just like we have on. We have a wellness program. What does that entail? What how many strikes you for what fish. We have a well instead of asking questions. Danielle we have a wellness program. What else do you want to know? That's not well then you can. You know in the proof great. It's wellness. Everybody shut up about the program what it is for. God's Sakes Pretty Simple. Let's let's move onto a w we can talk about captain. Penis Point and Damian Priest has that story develops is not really too much to talk about. Not Being talked about on this program now lowest kookiness stoke about it's time for our new weekly segment the segment. I look forward to the most our special correspondent Lindsey CALC will update you. What's going on in the eighty w women's division? Okay so that was one match okay. But it felt like they were developing multiple storylines now and it was a fatal four-way match so we had full days of wild and Nyla rose on the outside. Who IS V Lady Five Ladies Late Johan? It was a good match. It was Pretty Fon. Acreage Shida one. She had some great moments. Who Ford they had penelope and her fiance on the outside a which cost her the match or at least allowed her to be pinned which I enjoyed. I don't hate her hips avium. They've got. I feel like forgive me. I feel like this is some sort of sacrilege about say but I feel like Johnny Candice's current Vibe is kind of penelope KIP vibe of like the super bad couple who always there for each other. Awa has that too and I love them together. I think they give good energy. I think they have a good look. I enjoy it and then yeah Chris Start Linda. I'm Brooke Baker. Were on the outside where Brit somehow managed to get a glove which I appreciate it. She said she's carrying glove and she put the not the mandible claw. Because it's not that that she locked. Chris Sutton Linda on the outside and looks like they're developing a feud alongside the Nihilo rose Hickory Ashida feud and then Penelope Ford is now got beef with the Karoo Shida because she pender and this is how you build women. Storylines you guys. It's so exciting. Good we just if you wish upon a star and then wait eight months. Yeah you gotta wait eight months. That's that's the important part. You GotTa wait eight months for the Super Progressive Company that promised to be representative of everyone to finally developed some sort of women's storyline. It's cool a snake. Eighty it did and then it didn't say anything. This week could be looking at two matches. Have it at the same time I mean? I'm only thinking maybe two matches at double. Oh nothing maybe two matches at double. Oh nothing but God forbid two matches ourselves. Let's let's TAMP DOWN OUR EXPERT. Maybe one could be on the pre show. Mj F. returned to action which has never disappointing hand. Picked up the win. One on the Mike. We all love him. He's he's an angel from heaven. Kenny Mega Matt. Hardy be proud and powerful. The best friend's be drastic express murder hawk. I've can't remember his name. I'll never remember it. You can say it right down and I'll mmediately Lance Lance Archer. If you go with the lungs I enjoyed watching cody. Rhodes take his truck and let run in. Even when he very gently bumped that one barrier and then run and choked him out with his pigtails Jake via the MIC. Hold on a sort of talking the whole thing but you know. He's Jake's not taking a bump that guy can't do it does. That's a bad idea. I don't WanNa see but he's still has to be like. Oh No hold on now calm down. He did it on happy. It's not the good kind of nervous. There's a good kind of like anticipatory nervous and then a bad kind of like this is going to become something that I never want to think about for the rest of my life and I see it live in the ring by whatever means possible. We'll put a snake on you now. Here's some mumbled generally psychology. My penis snake is ready to lay on someone. And I'll moving around a bunch of different places on your body like I'm an acupuncturist. Let's see what works for you. Well I'll tell you it'd be different snake. Is some blue? That snake national straight WON'T BE WIG on all over the place. I know I'm going to take after this. Just watch laverne Shirley and see what happens. The biggest development of the entire episode was the reveal of the six members of the elite. Getting taken down a six member of the elite. Getting taken down the Bat. I gotTa be honest with you vanguard even if you have put more thought into it's too late we rescind because we've got the six member of the elite and he's right here Salo Brother. Floyd for you and for the elite circle and the message is this author vanguard one is being this. This jerk owes lost his mind. Been waiting for for years. Somebody's got a knock that fucking drone out of the sky over mmediately. You apologize to the one then vanguard one died for your sins Lindsey Dis for your seriously beggared one. We'll be back. I'm sorry we're already on our second vanguard what I know. They have like a red carnation. I know that I like thing Daniel intellectually know it but I don't emotionally feel it yet and it was very hard for me. It was a loss of a dear friend. Why didn't run out to help? Fend off one. I. I don't know I. I just hope Scott the dilapidated boats okay seriously to does he served as well. I totally placing vanguard one may be genuinely upset emotionally stable place right now but but like don't kill my friend. Don't beat him with a bat. Don't turn him into a sentient being unhappy person with feelings and by you hit Kurshid with a candlestick over the head. Diallo's please don't here in that actually which you did but late please do hit so with a Kendo stick but like don't smash him vanguard one. Don't do it no smashing vanguard one I think vanguard one flew higher than any of US could ever hope to fly and that its next iteration that will fly even higher personally. I'd like to see vanguard to where's vanguard to we haven't seen vanguard to. Yeah the compound doing stuff. You're looking down on me. 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Liz Climo

Everything's Coming Up Simpsons

46:16 min | 4 months ago

Liz Climo

"Hi Molly, Gertz and I'm Julia. Prescott and we're going round. Springfield one of these days. You'RE GONNA. Get it right. Really excited. I think it's GonNa be a good one me I can tell. For those of you who've been listening, we have of course been interviewing various people who've worked on the simpsons and various aspects, voiceover, actors, writers, and today we are going into the more artistic side of the simpsons with one of the animators of the simpsons heard of it. She is so so accomplished if you don't already know her work. To Fall in love, please welcome Liz Climb. Oh Hello I'm almost I'm on the verge of tears. It was a nice thing. I swear every time I intro guest I'm like. Don't fuck this up. So. That's good validation. You already got my name. My last name pronounced correctly. So you're God. That's a tough one, so th. I appreciate it. Thanks so much for joining us today. List. Thank you for joining us. We're very excited as Jillian mentioned. We have really wanted to talk to people about all the different facets of working on the simpsons, and so far we've gotten the opportunity to speak predominantly to either voice actors or writers at the show, so we're super excited to talk to you about how you got started. DOING CHARACTER ARTISTRY AND And how you started to become an author and everything that you've done but I. can you describe a little bit about what it is that you have done on the simpsons? As particularly to someone who may be doesn't know very much about what goes into your job. Absolutely so I started on the simpsons about fourteen years ago and when I started i. I was what was called a character layout artist, and that basically means like I was an animator who did the key poses, so let's say there was a scene where homer walks in and sits on the couch talks family stands up and goes into the kitchen, just as basic sort of just setup. I would then sort of map out how? How he would get from point A. TO POINT B. how he would act, and then I would work with the director and assistant director and sort of figure out the best sort of acting to get the joke across which is always you know the number one priority on animated Sitcom. So that's essentially it's basically an animator of key poses. Those key poses. And, the number one priority being like make funny, but without like super. Zany cartoon Earth's skis me attorney acting not like looney tunes acting. It's more like subtle. Sitcom acting so I started doing that I, did that for awhile and then the last few years I was there. I was actually a story board cleanup artists so I was just taking the boards at the story board artist had already created and cleaning them up making a book nights. adding some extra poses to again. Get jokes across into. Get the acting across. And I'm sure there are people who are listening to this. They're just like she wipes down storyboards. Can you. I imagine that most people know what that is, but can you even just a little bit more detail on what a story board cleanup artists? Sure so a lot of the times when you're when you're aboard artist, you are essentially. Your goal is to sort of. Set the stage. Get the composition right, and so you're doing a lot of scenes and you're doing them in a very quick turnaround, so a lot of times you're just drawing really really rough poses just to sort of get that point across and within the studio at the artists directors, everyone sort of understands what the poses may be mean, and it's also good. It's always good to start with a really rough dry anyway, because that's usually the more energetic drawing, but when you're pitching. Pitching aboard sometimes it helps to have some clarity especially like in the face. If it's an emotional scene, you wanna have those expressions come across, if the acting the hand gestures a really important, it's nice to sort of take those restaurants and just give him a little bit more of a solid form It's a little bit easier to understand what's actually happening. End The real. The real purpose of the scene really gets across. So that was sort of my job was to quickly. Draws much clean stuff as possible on top of the already the already beautiful restaurants and and I draw really clean, and so that was that was I. Mean I yeah I liked to do because I was actually able to to to to draw top of other people's beautiful rafter. That's awesome. Yeah, is there anything that you can say that? He's like a signature drawing style or a signature way of going about this kind of work that is specific to the simpsons, or does it all are all adult animated shows following similar kind of processes. The whole idea of it is as being a sitcom like it. It is so. If you put like the simpsons against again like a looney tunes cartoon more of a kid centric cartoon. You'RE GONNA. See more zany silly. Goofy wacky drawings at at at the kids show, and then for the simpsons it's it's more subtle. Goofy kind of ride. Just like it it it has to. A lot of like deadpan humor and so I think that is why I was like I mean. I've been a huge fan of the show ever since it came out. Really I'm technically. When I came out, I was same age. As Bart is now has always been. So I grew up with that sort of both humor, and so when I started working there, it felt very natural to me to to sort of do that sort of acting. That's so exciting, so I really WANNA. Know like how to someone who is eleven years older like. This kid watching the simpsons. How does that person become who you are today? So you get into actually pursuing your talent, and was that something that was fostered by your folks, or did you kind of find it on your own? It was definitely something that I mean there was. I can't even think of a single time in my life where I didn't think I would grow up in being artists I mean that's very said if the. Might some pretty naive, but I mean. That's I. Just always was like I will be an artist someday. I really really wanted to be an artist someday, so I'd say it started with a really big fan of like the far side Comex and so I would always like. Sit At my grandparents house in read their day-to-day calendar whenever it went all the. You know hung out, and then again I started watching the simpsons when it came out. I mean it was my favorite show, so it really helped when I got older to you know. I knew the humor and I knew sort of what they wanted as far as like. You know to get the jokes across, but as far as how I got the job in how I got to that place, I actually took art classes in high school and I went to San Jose state took art classes there and I was working towards a BFA in animation and illustration. And then I applied for the program I did not get in but I had a like a family friend named Brad Abelson. who had sort of become my mentor while I was in college? Just via email like I would send him and see send me giants, etc. He was already working on the simpsons and I he was one of the first people I talked to. After I got rejected from the program, and so I was super sad and I was like I. Don't know if I'm good enough. I don't know if I'm going to be able to do this and he was like well. The Simpsons are hiring so if you wanNA talk the layout. WanNa. Go ahead and take that layout test. I would be happy to coach you if I think you. You know, have a chance of at work if you could have like you know, hang and work here, but if not I'm not going to, so so that's kind of how that happened. So like within a week or two I think of getting that rejection I actually got a job on the simpsons inside his pack, my car and moved down from the Silicon Valley down to southern California and stayed on my friend's floor for like a couple of months. Yeah, What goes into lay out. It was sort of what I described before. I'M GONNA date myself here, but it was I got a cassette tape. And I got paper storyboards, and it was basically I think I think it was three scenes that were story boarded out and they wanted me to. Sort of do those key poses for those three scenes, so I would listen to the audio and I sort of used the storyboards to sort of. As, a guide of how how the characters were gonNA, look within the within the frame, and I actually didn't have a light table. which is what we used back then, which is like a big desk that had a clear like a plexiglass thing underneath and a light that shone through so you could see the dryness underneath each other. You can't stay, but I'm like using my hand like paper. I feel. But I I actually ended up taking and I had never used a light table before, but I knew that that's what animators used so actually like took a stack of papers, and took a desk lamp and put underneath the glass coffee table and use that as a light table, and I would just sort of. Take those drawings and create those key poses because it's important to keep the form the same throughout the the entire scene, because if the form changes or shifts in, it's GonNa be obvious for the person watching so amazing. I know so little about what goes into the type of work that you do to to me. It sounds like magic. It continues to be. I feel like anyone can draws i. say this all the time, but I'm just like. How did you make your hand? Like I got as far as being like the kid who could do bubble letters really. In in school and then I was like. I'm ready to take a break up like really mastered art. So. I want to know a little bit more about like just early life of Liz We know that you were a simpsons fan. We know that you were obviously gifted at a young enough age that you always have this idea of like I'm going to become someone who does this, but what are some more of the? Earliest things that happened to you. That made you know I could do this. Well. I had I had a lot of support from my family always like. Yeah and I don't think I really realized how important that was. I mean just the fact that I said I'm going to be an artist. That confidence I didn't have that confidence in myself yet so. From It came from somewhere My mom was an artist and my dad's family this at his side of the family, his mom was children's book author and she had written morale. Yes, she actually was children's author. She retold folklore. Her name was Shirley Climb Oh so I grew up around that as well Her sister was actually an illustrator in her mother was an illustrator, so there was always that sort of like artistry in my family. especially with the way it was all went the women that were doing it so I really felt that confidence like Oh, I can do that, too. I I'll work hard and I can get to that point hopefully someday. So that encouragement and you know I was again like I. would do like weird drives. When I was little, I would. I would attempt those jokes I. Mean I have a six year old now like she does a tour. It's like I would create comics, and they'd be so weird and didn't quite make sense. My mom would be like Oh. That's awesome. Keep doing weird stuff keeping weird. Go going our. So that was really helpful, because she really, she was such a funny lady, and she really loved it. When I like embrace that part of myself, so that was always something I've kind of leaned into I think. That's so great. I feel like I can totally relate I. had my mom's side of the family, my aunts and uncles. Artists scattered throughout that side, and so that was always like this really great. People of here's what you could do with your life, but I i. feel like also just sort of making comedy valuable something that I feel like is. It was so instrumental in in how I evolved as a person just like that emphasis on no, no like be weird and be funny, and those are great things to have in the world. That's so great that you had that I feel really lucky and and and making comedy valuables like right on the money. It's like laughing your way through hard times and just and just. You know levity. Basically, it's just it's. It's a good thing so. What kind of artist was your mom? She was more of a fine artist. She did really beautiful like charcoal drawings I couldn't even think of the medium because I'm just like I drawn a computer. Yet she was she was more of a fine artist. She she would just do like portraits of the neighborhood kids and like give gift coordinates the people, and she was also like the neighborhood art teacher, and she taught at the Elementary School so yeah, she was, she was really. We were very different like her. The way she drew was very different from how I draw up, but she was really really talented. Do you ever draw together like? Well when social distancing was making. Under a tree. Well, this is actually I should. I should talk about this because this is. This is a really crucial. She actually passed away like the year that I got the job on the simpsons. She passed away, so we did we used. We did draw together. We were like we were together, but I was young. I was around twenty two when she died, so it was a very transitional year for me because it was like she passed away six months or so later, I didn't get into the animation program. And that I got this job, and then I moved away from my family, which had just sort of winning lost the central. Person So. A lot of I mean she hasn't been here to see any of these. Dreams of mine that I set when I was little, come true, so it's always sort of like sort of a presence in my mind anyway and just whenever I have like some sort of a personal career, milestone or personal milestone, just with family or whatever it's like it feel her here. So that's wonderful. Yeah, I, it's. It's hard to to not be able to share that physically in the same space, but Those types of things really do feel like they know like you know I. Yeah, your your mom raised to be you. You and she knows in it I. Just Love Amazon much. It's nice to because that thing that confidence. I was saying earlier that she really liked always put around me when I was younger and growing up when I when I lost her. I lost that as well so I had to sort of find that within myself, and I'm still trying to find that within myself, but it's it's a growing process sort of learning to love yourself as much as this person was loved you. Who is important person in your life and so? I mean to put mildly. Gosh Yeah I wanted to have that be a little bit of a transition into The book your mom, which you know I I saw on Mother's Day that you had posted about what this book meant to you. And for anyone who's listening to this that does not yet follow you on instagram and see the cartoons that you post and hasn't come across your books yet. I really highly recommend them especially during pandemic. Just because you know we're, we're for the most part all tucked away doing our own, saying maybe a little isolated, and then particularly what's going on in the world's? It's really nice to have a source of comfort. In the type of art that we're digesting, and I think that there is such a purity and level of comfort and love that comes from your work and I can't recommend enough, but one of the things that I want to talk about specifically. Was that book which I was just looking at the post that you made on Mother's Day about it and if you could tell us anything about that, I'd love to hear it. Will thank you so much yet, so that book really it sort of is me speaking to my relationship with my mom 'cause I had such a strong relationship with her, and then also how that relationship has sort of informed my relationship with my own daughter, because I do have a daughter, but then aside from that I also just kind of wanted to talk about motherhood in general I mean again, this is. Very very sweet light comex like it's, it's very light book, but at the same time I did want to sort of talk about different kinds of mothers because I have you know, have friends who don't ever plan on having children, but they have really great relationships with children in their life. NIECES NEPHEWS, etc, I have friends who have bad relationships with their mom or their parents. And they have other people who have sort of stepped in and fill that role, so it's not necessarily like this is a book for moms and he because again. I don't want it to be like a kind of like a secret club bookwork like mom group it. It's more like. It's more of like a what it's like to sort of have that person in your life who has really stepped up and that might mean be your own. It might be your own mom. It might be somebody else, or maybe you're that for somebody else. But because that role that person in my life was so important, I wanted to sort of like it s say thank you to everybody else out there. Who is sort of like doing the same or feels the same? I love that so great. Heart too I. Just it makes me think of like the chosen families exactly. I don't know I'm a child of divorce. I'm going to point to that. Is this reference point but like? Sometimes you know you don't get the exact parent dynamic that you are accustomed to seeing in films and TV for a while, and then you know like what does that look like for you and I know other people that may not have good relationships with their mothers or fathers, or whatever it's like well. What do you do with that? What what happens when Mother's Day comes around, and you either don't have that positive relationship with that biological person I'm not speaking personally, but you know like. Or you know you feel weird about what that label means to you and I think expanding the definition and include like being a mother to yourself, which is like a sentiment that I fucking love or just like appreciating and respecting the other people in your life, who may be those mother figures to you I think it's so cool wall and to put it in a cartoon. is so sweet. Things. On the topic of MOMS so you said that you got into the simpsons right when it came out and that you are bart's age so we have talked a lot about kind of like how we have to rediscover. Later in life, how amazing march is because growing up like we really connected to? The idea that Marge's kind of a Nag and she's kind of ruining the fan, but now she's like we see the humor in her. We think she's so amazing. We love all the different sides of marriage, but I'm wondering. Did you get that right away or did that? Take us some time as well. It's interesting. Actually march was not march is not so dissimilar from How my own mom was she yet? Like a Monday my mom was like really funny, and like more a little bit less I'd say. Hab trying to think of the word because marches march sort of like the product of like how like she feels like she ought to behave sometimes, but then showing, let loosen have fun. But she's such a steady, loving, wonderful character, and so there are a lot of like like when she holds up the potato and she's like. ME. So my mom and so I. Feel like I've always really appreciated March because at margin Lisa have always been I've always had a real connection with. So! Yeah, I I I've been. I've been pretty lucky in that. I've always been pretty strong a strong connection with March. That's. As you were talking about like the artists in your family. Being women instantly made me think about the Simpsons Jean Anne. HOW FEMALE! Simpson's members are like these scientists in very studious accomplished women I just feel like there's such a great parallel there absolutely. Yeah, they're really strong. Really strong characters, I feel like and you know margin Lisa, Martin Lee especially feel like are sort of the moral compass of the show in a Lotta ways so. So. Yeah Absolutely let's take a quick break, and then we will be right back. I started listening to own Ross and Kerry shortly after I broke my arm and the doctor had told me I'd never walk again I couldn't get my book started. I was lost honestly. I knew it was time to breakage. There's something about no Ross carry that you just can't get anywhere else. There's thought leaders discoverers founders had call the murals Rawson carried. Don't just report on science. Spirituality claims of the paranormal take part themselves. They show up, so you don't have to, but you might find that you want to. Is Better. 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Find it every Wednesday at maximum fund dot org wherever you download podcasts. Judge John Hodgman. and. We're back. What a great break! and. I concur. So Liz, we actually have a question from our producer of the podcast he wants to know. Do you have a line of cards at target? I. Do I actually have green cards? They're just kind of out in the world, and they're I never really quite sure where I'm going to see them, but I do know that there. May It's kind of interesting like I. It's a little bit less. Like Oh, here's the you have this book it'll be at this bookstore. Is Here's where you find it? It's more like okay. You have greeting cards. Go out and find him any. Kind of fun. It's like a scavenger. Hunt in the world is because greeting cards are everywhere so I'll be like whole foods and I'm like. That's my card that whole foods. How Fun! So, but yes I do have have a handful that are still in target. When they a couple years ago, I had like a big line sort of like all in one place, but they've restructured how things are set up in the green card I'll or what have you But yes, the short answer is I. Do have greeting cards at target so there are. They understood the banner the little. Little world of lives, climate, or do they say your name? You don't know if they are they at one point. Yes, it was I. think it actually just said little comex or the, and there was like a little like a nine a nine card section and I think that they've restructured. Since I haven't been in a target a while, which is heartbreaking to me, but I haven't been in A. But came. So I don't really know exactly how it set up now I think the last time it was more of a you just kind of scan through, and you owe everything I recognize that, and then it's just kind of in with the others so yeah. Yeah, I feel like I've seen it where it set up where it has like a section called little comics. Yes, yeah, very cool, so a lot of your work. It is very child friendly, if not specifically pointed towards children or mothers or kind of this family unit, and I'm wondering if that has always been something that you've been drawn to, or if you've gone through phases, or if there is a different type of work, you will ever hope to do that like a far departure. Because I think that your work is something that like everyone could enjoy of any age, but I'm curious about how you got there. Will it's it's interesting. If you look back at my earlier comics earlier like my first book of Comics, which is a little world of luth climate, there are some bad words and darker darker subject matter because I tend to be drawn more to a darker sensitive humor like I like darker comedies like Fargo like movie Fargo. Men So, earlier on it was more an Oga and like. The. Gash creme tiny's if you know if you're familiar with A. Book which is like the ABC's in each each letter is like a grizzly way. A child has like. It's it's a dark. It's a dark book, but it's funny, and it's subtle, and it's beautiful. Just have to shout out Allie Gertz. Really quick because when she was an editor at mad magazine, they did an amazing tribute to that book. Should win. The award. Yeah KC Boyd an editor. There was the editor of that piece and it was. It was really it was really heavy because it was. Coming off of Parkland, and so basically it was about gun violence, and so it was the gun, Chinese and so. I've seen that. Yeah, it was It was a popular piece. Oh my gosh. Yeah, no, I've seen, but we relate very much to having that love of that dark. An honest type of. Level of cartoons will and that's. That's the thing like I. I think at first I, because that sort of stuff I'm drawn to I one I was like well. Could I do something that's like really strong and is making a strong statement, but is also like beautiful and funny. I was trying to do more of that, and then I think I just realized somewhere along the way first of all my dreams are so. They're so cartoony suit and kid friendly that just a lot of kids were picking up the books and reading them and a lot of household. I understand that they don't. Adults don't want their children reading bad language, and I respect that and so I think it was like impart sort of I felt a bit of an obligation to well. I should probably keep that in mind, because this is sort of art that do, but on the other hand. It was also just I think a shift happened along the way where I was like. I want to make something every time I do a comic. Comic I want I think about every possible type of person that might be looking at it and I'm trying to make it as broad and inclusive as possible and sometimes just picking and choosing the right words like put it this way if I feel like the only way to get my point across is to use a bad word that I'll do it, but I often don't usually just keep the words pretty simple and hopefully get the joke across. Get the point across and. Make it funny hopefully not to. SAPPY 'CAUSE I don't. WanNa do sappy stuff. So. Yeah I think that's so smart. I mean I feel like all art should benefit from like taking a moment and really wondering you know like which audiences as for what their reaction is going to be and I think by doing that you avoid the more performance, hollow parts of like might just using this like curse word or this like dark imagery to be like really you know sensational, or is it actually proving a point and I think to catch? Yourself is important I think you're absolutely right. I think that like choosing languages an important thing and also I think i. just realized that was the sort of. The thing I did well and other people out. There are doing that thing that I tried to do really really well and I'm like okay, you do that thing, 'cause. You're doing an awesome job of that and I'm GonNa? Do this thing because this is the thing that I'm trying to do well at so that space is sort of filled and I'm enjoying the people that are creating work. That's like got the bad words in his darker scarier. What have you? Within the stuff that I'm doing that sort of my goal is to sort of create something that's just like welcoming and hopefully make someone i. mean really just I. Just want to create like a blip in scroll where it's like Ooh. This is heavy heavy. Here's the thing that's just gonNA. Make you feel a little lighter for a second. That's pretty much all I'm trying to do. I love that I really like to the most recent posts that you did on instagram and it's a snake. Why are you sitting like that? The Red Panda saying my heart just feels a little heavy today, and so he's like on his stomach, the snake is helping him up and carry his heavy heart, and it's just as little thing, and like I really liked because it's bittersweet, and like it's it's hopeful, but honest about the fact that sometimes the world feels really heavy in, and could be really you know getting you down, and it's just like such a like powerful message in two panels, and I'm just so impressed by that. And I feel like your art is something bad is really helpful for people who want to reach out to their friends, but don't necessarily have the comfort in finding the words themselves like. I feel like it'd be really nice for someone who's maybe not so emotionally giving, but they want to be. They could just link to something that you wrote already like greeting cards. It's GonNa without four and then at. The same, you think if you and suddenly that person feels all the same sentiments that you came up with I, just think it's so great. That's so nice. 'cause I'm actually like I'm sort of anxious, and so you know I'm. I'm always a little anxious I'm going to have to hug now and. I'm not I'm not like a like a huggy. Hand holy like that sort of a person so I'm a little bit more. standoffish I guess say so. It's nice that like I'm hopeful that that what you just said that the nice to hear. I hope the ice. And it's not because I. Don't feel it on the inside edge. Sometimes, it's hard to express it, so that's nice. I think of course like Ali saying. It's such a powerful message, especially during this trying time and like you know. How do we connect with other people and show that we are like curious and interested in how they're doing in a way. That feels appropriate and effective virtually in a way that like. For both sides I think it's really hard to kind of encapsulate that. Yeah, it's really hard in that comic, particularly trying to just think of the best way to express house feeling and really I mean that really is how I've been feeling like I just WanNa like my heart is heavy is GonNa lay on the ground, but I also WANNA. Keep informing myself and taking information in which is why there's a book, and so the snake. Like the people in my life, who are sort of helping, meet stay lifted. The book represents like the the effort to keep informing myself, and so that's what I was trying to say. But, now without without knocking you over the head with it, yeah so. That's the goal. And that's actually something that we really love about the simpsons and Julia and I talk about this a lot in the original version of our podcast where we talk about each episode in particular, and why it means something to our guest, we really love that the simpsons is able to have really poignant messages without ever being preachy, and so they're able to teach about something and make a great point, but they're never hitting you over the head with it or making you feel like an idiot if you don't get it right away absolutely. The image just popped into my head. This is always one of my favorite episodes were I'm trying to remember what actually happens that I just think of the end were homers. It has has and it's the is above his desk Don't forget you're here forever. And then yet. Another pictures in it says do it for her. I mean if that were done the wrong way, it would be so savvy and so silly Indus Modlin Kinda, but it's so every time. I see even if the image I start crying, because it's so I know heartfelt, and you're not alone. Like, that is like on a mount, Rushmore of like top four Simpson's cry. Instant Crime, oh absolutely yeah I love it. I think it's an Maggie makes three eight episodes. It's. It doesn't surprise me that that episode really has informed you even if it was just subconsciously just because like totally the same vibe. Are there any other Simpson's stories? You have for us either about just. From a place of Fandom, or from a place of working there anything that you'd like to share. Sure I mean. I, like bits and pieces are of running through my mind, the first thing I'll say is I remember being really nervous. My first day of work because I was such a super fan of course, like I, had like a homer sticker on my car and I get I was young I was twenty three I was like. Oh, no, I'm going to look like such a door. And then I walked in, and I realized Oh. They're all door. Everyone here loves the. Had Friends in the nicest possible was a huge fan I mean everybody there. For the most part came from like a similar sort of background as far as like they were all excited to be there to this was season. I think it was season. Fourteen was a while ago, but there is there's that I remember one time when I was working on the movie because when I was I, think I'd been there probably like four four or five years when the movie came out I happen. I just by chance got sent over to the. The Fox lot to work at gracie films. There is like a collection, a small collection of artists who were sort of working directly with Richard Sky and like he would kind of come around the the the the trailer and It was sort of like. Oh, here, here's a new joke. We're going to have someone board this and then I was helping clean it up, and that's actually how I met my husband call heck because he was there to oh. Yes. We love calling. Screen. But I actually I again I was I hadn't been the simpsons that long, and I knew that the movie was starting, but I wasn't a part of it. I was still working on the TV show and I had gotten up to walk to the bathroom in the studio, and at the time Richard Ramos and I think David Silverman who supervising director and then. Then as producer, we're talking to each other. And I literally heard one of them. Say What about her and the I can't remember. Who said what it was like Hey Liz? Do you know how to use photoshop like not really in there like we'll. Do you know how to use a cente- can house like not really the tablet the tablet that we worked on. And then they said, do you? Are you willing to learn like absolutely art? You're going to Fox today and so. From that point yet from that point on for like a year and a half, I then went to Fox everyday for and I should point out I should have pointed this out ahead of time, but we were still working on paper at the time, so that transition that big transition from working on paper and working into a computer. Happened during the movie, and so I learned actually I learned all that stuff on the job at the movie or during the movie. I love that you basically failed that pop quiz. Honest but I worked hard. Good that you were honest, though yeah, and it was and so actually the the story I wanted to tell was. The during the movie trailer was like understood like you couldn't let anyone in like. It was very top secret, and so of a friend were visit the studio or I'm sorry the lot you could show them around the lot, but you could not let anyone into the trailer where the work was being done, so we had gone into lunch break, and the first one back into the and I noticed a woman standing in the office area. That I shared looking at my mind, and it was a drain of March and I panicked because like. Oh, my Gosh, who is this person? Disperse it allowed to be in here. This is my stuff. She's looking out. And some like excuse me, and then she looked at me and pointed the dry and she was like. Did you draw that and I was like this? It was it was the voice of March simply that dry nose like? Yeah I should know who you are, and you're allowed to be in here so sorry. Show naming it was awesome, and she was so nice, and so and so interested in the process in. It's just like It's cool. It's see like. She's so cool. Yeah, I also love Yardley yardley wonderful yard the another. Yes, she's so nice. She's a friend of the PODCAST. Her episode was just amazing. She's everything you want and more. She has been such A. She's been so supportive of my work, and it's so it's so. It's one of the more humbling more like I. Don't know how else to put this, but like Fan girly things. It's like whenever she re tweets. Something of mine whenever I see her at a Premiere Party and she gives me a hug I'm like. Do that to myself do. Simpson. Saying. Girl crush on. She's wonderful. I love. It never goes away. All the re tweets. All the legs I'm like Damn I have that with basically everyone from the simpsons so? She. Yeah, she's. I also live. Her podcast is also really good. Yeah Yeah so we kind of circled it earlier when we were talking about your target cards and the first book that you put out the little world of. Oh? But I would be remiss in not mentioning that you've several other books Oh, and we talked about your mom. If several other books that are out, you know we can kind of just bounce around, but you know. Please don't eat me Roy the dinosaur me and my dad. Yeah, I have I have a couple picture books that I've written and illustrated. There's three Roy books. The I is worthy. Dinosaur me of my dad, and there's also Roy wants a pet and Roy wants a Christmas tree, and then the fourth picture book that I did That's please don't eat me and I did. Did that one's probably the most like the comics UC online. That's sort of like the one that I'm the most sort of like. I feel like sort of stepping into the sort of books to create in the future, but so there's those, and then I have a couple other compilations aside from your mom, which is kind of more of a narrative has more of a narrative story the others are just compilations comic like comics at UC posted online, just a bunch of put into a book, and that's the little world of climb. Oh, lobsters, the best medicine and best bear ever. And then I have a couple other books that I've illustrated jury. John wrote a book called I love. It sure is awesome I love jewelry so much. We're actually working on a second a third. Oh my Gosh! Third Book together right now. That's so exciting so working with him as awesome ads really really fun. I like illustrating other people Steph, too, because I'm I mean I kind of. Luck very unfortunate, but I'm still getting my footing and learning how to write children's books, but there when when I illustrate a an author who's really done a lot of a lot of really great stuff, and they really know what they're doing it. It's fun and I'm learning a lot from from working with people like him, and then actually book that comes out. Tuesday, that I did with An author named Amy. Deichmann and it's a follow up to a book that had called. You don't want a Unicorn in this one's called. You don't WanNa Dragon. It's other kids like another picture book. Have It, you know we've been bouncing around from your work on the simpsons to your published work, but I'd be also remiss in not mentioning that you have worked on other. TV shows the Lebron's. As a story. I also really really WanNa talk about Harvey beaks where you are credited as a writer. Tell us about that experience I could definitely talk yet, so harvey beaks. I did one episode and I actually, did we? I wrote I. Corrode it with my husband, and it's the only time I've ever written for TV show and it was. It's aboard driven show so like we kind of we did the outline, and then the board artists do like a huge chunk of the work with their own that sort of how that. That works so. We know you get you get an out I. Think I tried to remember. If there was an outline I think there was actually sorry, there was already an outline, and then we added to that and then I. Don't I mean it was it was it was it was many many cooks in the kitchen? Situation and I mean that in a in a nice way, not like a too many cooks in the. Kitchen situation, but the the the takeaway biggest takeaways. The first time that actually was like collaborative with my husband and we work together, and we have such different. Styles artistically, and when we right like he, he does really really beautiful. Awesome, just well rendered cool posed like he's like an you know. He's really cool art, and his his writing is also like a little bit more for lack of a better word, wordy than the stuff that I do everything I do is oversimplified, and so it was kind of interesting for the two of us to kind of blend those two ideas together. And work together and and yeah, it was it was. It was really fun to draw those I really liked drawing those characters to. And it was. It was just fun at the time I was actually still on the simpsons, and it was a much more. Creative job writing and working on Harvey, because I think I was on hiatus, and that's why I was able to sort of just do something between seasons, but Yeah. I don't know why this is. The example that I'm thinking of with this, but like I think of like artists animators changing their drawing styles from different shows to be like kind of the equivalent of like weird Al's bands play different music shot. I don't know why I'm like. Yeah, it's the same thing, but. Really good. Yeah, yeah you start at the same pool of like okay I'm GonNa make music, but now I'm GonNa Make Devos. It just reminded me. I've actually done some work with illumination and I worked on I was working on the minions the new actually so Brad Abelson the one that helped me get the job at the simpsons, directing the new minions movie and So I happen to yeah, and so I was doing some other stuff at illumination, but then they put me on. I was basically doing creative consulting, which is sort of just like gag writing. And so when they moved me onto the minions, I was like Oh Brad I know Brad, and so we were working a little bit together, but I would do whenever I would send over my roughs. He would always give me a hard time because I would give them such tall heads like Bart. Because they can't get it out of your. I mean he's lucky I didn't give him a zigzag hit as exact hairdo on top because it was just like. If you look at the millions or like their goggles is to top of their head, ratio is pretty small, but I was like I really gave him that marge links on having. A love that yeah. I think it's quite obvious that we are huge fans of what you do, and it's been such a pleasure to talk to you. It's always really nice when. You Know Julia already knows you, but it's been really nice for me to get to know you and feel like you know. This is just such an easy and natural thing and I would love to stay in touch after this. I would love that too great. So look very similar so. But that doesn't. That's not why we have to be friends, but it's the next time I'm feeling the next time. I'm feeling lonely in quarantine. I'm just GONNA look in the mirror and pretend like I'm having a conversation with you. It'll make me feel better. God. That slater's unbelievably creepy. I don't know it's. The difference yeah. It's both perfect. Column, a column, Columbia but so. We've already talked about where people could find the name of your books. But where can people find you online and we look forward to? The future anything that you'd like to plug. So I have I, do the. Posting instagram page, which lists climb Oh Cli and I do have a twitter page It's the same claim. Oh, I'm kind of moving away from facebook a bit so I don't really post a whole lot anymore on their. My website is the little world of Liz dot com, and that links all the aforementioned stuff. and then I have a couple of books. I have a book coming out with jewelry called first-aid critter jitters. That's GONNA. Be Coming Out I. Think in the fall publishing's kind of a weird spot right now. When everything's moving a little bit slow in so I'm working on a couple of things I. Don't know when they're going to come out, but I am am trying to sort of focus on that and keep keep working on my comics. I hope that I can do those forever because I. Really those. That's really where my heart is is doing this so I love I love. I love that and I'm sure you. Will you love him too anxious? Said thank you so much for coming on the show I think it's especially nice during everything that's going on to have to hear a story about someone who is raised to have this confidence in this connection to their mom, and this just really warm fuzzy greatness I. Really appreciate it. Not, that you're, you're not a complex person with all types of sorrows. Experience Darkness! Thanks so much and Julia. Why people find you. So much for asking. I'm actually oppressed gun on all the things alley. Where can people find you? Thank you so much for asking. You could find me at. And all the things he could find us at Simpson's pod. Yeah in Rams Springfield as a production of maximum fun. We are a member, supported shows that go to maximum fund dot org slash join to contribute our booking manager pasties in Brazil and our senior producer Laura Swisher. Twitch which. Maximum Fund Dot, Org Comedy and culture. Artists owned audience. Supported

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Ep 204: Its Called a Money Plane!

Tights and Fights

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Ep 204: Its Called a Money Plane!

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Those of you continue to support us, and those of you who are able to support us at this time in this way. Thank you, thank you, thank you. We'll have more on that later. Maximum Fund dot org slash joined is the place to go. It's called money plane. motherfuckers on the planet are on that plane all craving action whatever you want to wager on the money plane. Has You covered you WANNA, bet on a dude, fucking alligator! Money planned. Berbick Russell. A Dad. Has? Ties! I hear the blues. Call. Intel Salad monoplane. Chief. Fused. I got you edge. Did seem confused I do. Welcome to tights and fights. The show that discusses wrestling with sincerity and hilarity that it deserves. I'm a dude, fucking alligator Lublin and I'm joined today by my fellow members of the conversation Danielle gun where the sun don't shine Radford. Thank you very much appreciate that and Lindsey pistol drone CALC. Thank you, thank you for that. I mean fuck. Money money money playing. Look. We're in Max Fund drive, and that means you get only the best content from us, and so instead of discussing wrestling, which is by and large dumpster fire. We're going to talk about the greatest cinematic achievement. Of the last seven days. True fat which is the Lawrence Brothers produced and written. And performed. And performed money plane. And Action Heist movie. Set on the smallest plane ever. Starring Kelsey grammer. As Darius Grouch the third Adam Edge Copeland as I can't remember his name in the movie so I'm just going to call him captain. and. For someone who probably came and had to work for two days, Denise Richards. is also. Wasn't even to. I, feel like she can. In one. I don't feel like they were many takes before I think Thomas Jayme. was there for like a smooth to our? Oh, man is Thomas J. Has Life. Cycle a at his home afterwards. When they called him, they were like Oh. We forgot to get that entire scene. If you sell talking on your phone and he was like this. Is it okay if I use my pipe? Pipe while I do it. Is that Okay WanNa see the script for this movie so badly very badly and so I did look this up. Because I was wondering if this one of the Lawrence's. That was in that TV show that was about the Lawrence as being Lawrence's and how they're Lawrence's. That was called brother. Be Love, and it is key was the youngest lawrence in the Lawrence TV show about the Lawrence's. I was Andrew Lawrence. Yes, I remember when he was little. Andy Lawrence in the first grade. His he a my school, he would have been a first grade page for my graduating class, but he was not my page new adoring Philadelphia Fools. Let's say there's a reason why the show is called the loved they're from Philadelphia and all three of them attended the same school that I did. A year the first time I've. I only learned this last week when I took hell to task about his relationship with Joey Lawrence I absolutely questions because I was a huge joey. Lawrence, Fan these days, we would say Stan as a child both in blossom. And in his musical career where I enjoyed the tape single, the CA- single of nothing conflicts for you. Baby I definitely have memorized. Extol your baby. So good, it's so go, and he has the rat. Does a rap about smelling like Phillies Zoo? I mean I was prime to love money plane I was primed frazier, one of my favorite shows of all time edge one of my favorite wrestler of all time. Denise Richards. One of the actors in stock troopers, which is one of my favorite movies all the time, the whole Lawrence family. The promise of a guy, fucking alligator and planes, which I can no longer go on, so there was nothing about this movie that I was not GonNa love. I just didn't expect it to come together in such a glorious slick well-produced. Just convincing package if we ever sold you on this movie yet, here's the summary. A professional thief with forty million dollars in debt, and his family's life on the line must commit one final heist. Rob a futuristic. Filled with the world's most dangerous criminals, they're like three other passengers. How'd you get forty million dollars in debt? Right Poker I. Just that's a lot though that's a long, who gives you that much credit that you can have forty million dollars in debt, because at that point is on them, because only once shame on me. Forty million times shame on USA shakes. Some people can't even get credit card. You know what I mean like genuinely believed. The original forty million dollars in debt at the beginning of this movie was to Vince I think he's in debt events like I think Jack His name is Jack. The captain's needless Jack Because. That's a generic action hero name. He's forty million dollars in debt to Vince then frazier buys the debt from Vince and now he owns edge slash Jack Slash captain. Damn Money Jack. Don't do that. Don't use my real name. Oh? You're on a mission, so we'll meet some cool codenames, right? Would you call your superior officer. I was a captain for US my currently. Cool. Call. You can be calming, Karnal, so. He's like a creditor. Collector yeah, in this case he collects the solid form of Bitcoin. Yes. Yes, he's going to get some fiqh. Why do we even start? Where do we start? How tell us where to stop because I? I'm tired. I kind of walk everybody through this movie Yes. Let's do the breakdown because if you didn't hear all the things that happened. You might not believe that these are all the things in this movie, but they are, and we need to make sure that you know going into it every single thing that happens so that. Those of you with heart, problems or back issues, or who are pregnant are able to enjoy the film safely. So. It starts with an art heist. Edges crew trying to steal a painting of a duck. It's the most low rent. Ocean's eleven shit. I've ever seen. It looks like we filmed it via zoom with no script, a no props and we did it in my garage like. What we did the best of this, which really I watched it with Jeff, and he has, he pointed out from the very beginning the biggest floor in this movie of Asli. There's a twist to come, but it's the fact that they did not pull off this heist and yet. We're supposed to believe that the greatest. Of all time. But they fail in the heist and they end up having to kick a bunch to get out. and. They still end up beholden to Frisia on the hook for forty million dollars. And an explanation of how they went from edge, owing four million dollars from playing POLKA. To how he became George Clooney in Ocean's eleven, also from the army or air force US Air Force captain he they made the biggest mistake that you can make when pulling off a heist, which is a step one checking to see if the thing you're hosting, is there yeah, you should find out if it's dare you. Send someone in one of those really buckets dressed as. As a janitor to go and check that it's there, and then they say very subtly into this leave. It's on, and that's when you begin, so you know I am? I am making sure that I have money playing up while you're doing this just in case, there's anything visually that I would like to make sure a reference while we while we talk about this seminal. Twenty twenty, though. Is it after that we meet? Darius grabs the two that we meet Darius Grouch the third who for some reason on the IMDB listening for the cast and crew is listed as the rumble. Will you don't give away a name like that? Unless somebody's buys the movie that's. To? Say Out I'm Darius Grouch the third, the third first of all. I. Mean This sincerely? Congratulations on everybody for making a movie, you all paid. Amazing nothing you got it made. However you did it. Additionally I look at it and go. What was the budget on this and did the majority of the money go to Kelsey? Grammer, Thomas Jane Denise Richards and I think it's just won't. Lawrence's I think the money came from the Lawrence's as my feeling. Maybe maybe it was their bitcoin I do I. Have a question about the name Darius Grouch because it was something we were talking about. So, very often. When you white people came over to the United States. Not You CALC you. My people I mean people, but you came later. Most of the whites came and you would still do that thing. We came to Ellis Island. You would yeah you, would you? Would you would eight with England ankle size? Whatever why people do, you would make your last name. Not Sound ethnic. I had a friend whose name was Weinstein and they changed it to winton exactly an unmet, and obviously that thing that like everyone's fucking ought does right after they call him a cheat on man where they talk about how he's DRUMPF K.. Because John Oliver said that once in then everyone glommed onto it, so my question is. What do you think grouch was before? They got to LaSalle it. Might have been so there two choices right one is the family changes the name. The other is the people who are who are bring you in can't pronounce the name, and they're like no relationship and that is absolutely. I! I. Think it was grouch, but with a zee on the end ooh what if it was grouch with Z. At the beginning a silent? Silent G yeah, can't. Solid Polish Silenzi. In that? I assumed you as part of the New York grouches. Is You not family? grouches. Came from those guys up around Sesame Street, but I don't know that. They haven't similar temperament. You know I mean he's out the trash canton, but is he out of the trash down of his heart. Medicine prime real estate that can I will say that yeah I'M GONNA I'm German. I'm going to say. Let's add some mounts on the grouch there's. A bunch of amounts for sure for sure. Yeah, there's a group. Is the reason why. Why were meeting grouches? He's the one who asked them to steal this painting and they weren't able to. So what he has done is bought up the forty million dollars in poker debt. The Jack Reese has has accumulated and says I will. We will square this. If you I want you to rob the money plane I. Want you to give me all the bitcoin you can keep whatever's in the vault. To evolve. This'll be one last score for you. How is that not a harder job? I have never been an interview like say you go in, and you're like I'm going to interview to be receptionist. I have never gone in a tripped on my own feet, accidentally called the boss. Are the dude interviewing me a piece of shit. puked. With all over the table, and then they were like your management material never. What we'd like you couldn't get the painting you failed at the painting. But we'd like you to go and try and pull off the most difficult heist of all time. With your three Shitty mates who? I. Lady Aside Lady aside the two fellows, three fellas through I forget bit like not not doing their best work, not doing, but also twelve I mean. These kids do not have experience. By the way that's the new screw two and a half men. The new hot show is three shitty mates. New? Straight from Lizzy celts every I happened so it's like can would be hiring relatable Hollywood I'm. I'm free I'm available. Bring you checkbook Daniel. The scenario you described for job interview. That's how a white men get promoted off the time. Holding back, not doing that because see one time I went in for a job interview. To to to be a receptionist. and. They saw that I knew how to do. Excel and ask me. How does one learn how to do xl? How did you learn that said I'm simply thirty. Did Not get that job. Old It was some old second white dude, and he literally looked me in my face and said. How do you know how to do excel as though everyone doesn't know how to do Saudi you know which? Out Did you? Little, he literally said. How did you learn such a thing I? I literally said I am thirty. He's going to have to speak to the village elders. He's GonNa have to know how you attain these abilities because they are not natural, it is so confusing it. Outside while you finish his pivot table. This is why. Dr Is needed. The kids because he was like I've heard about this thing called bitcoin. And I want it, and he knew the edge new some shitty kids who would know about bitcoin. And would be able to get it for him. Which also that? Maybe that explains why Daria, so it was necessary to have them break into the plane and commit the highest while it was indie. I not any point when it was on the ground. Why wouldn't you just make it? We're all of them are people who are handling bags, yeah? The guy that puts the gas in the plane own. Technicians that even if it's a private flight, are required to come on and sign paperwork to say that your plan is safe to fly before it takes off like you could have. You. Know why because bajic baggage handlers do not have sexy uniforms? They had sexy uniforms. True and they've fucked up my bag so many times, so like I mean come on I, know justice, the baggage handlers, but also those cases were not free, and now they'll broken, but my beef with baggage handlers the side. Wouldn't you think that'd be something? Darius scratch the third would enjoy. He also really oversold. Yeah, I don't know. He also really oversold the money plane. Yeah! I, saw no gators now I'm sorry and the I bet was. What like a card game? It's mostly card. Games is mostly POLKA. It's mostly poker against. Do any reservation casino a growth let's. Let's get there at a second. I feel like what we're GONNA. Do is talk about the first half of this movie and then the next segment. We'll be the second half of this movie. There's just no way to separate the. We. We meet his family well. We, meet his family. I can. Going I have a shield right to. It's bedtime. Ready Yes god. Potentially you'll get washed up. I'll be at I I. Just. I just feel like this could have been cut out completely, and no one would give a fuck. It's already only eighty two minute, and he could have been a tight forty five Danielle. I, have to say this. It needs to be said Denise Richards Voice has dropped a full five octaves. At least like how lo her voice is boggles my mind because it what it tells me is, she smokes. She has the voice of someone who heavily smokes and has heavily smoked. Maybe she too is a member of the grouch family. It's definitely. Should Graham. Has An element of Oscar in the. Yeah I just couldn't get over. Wasted Oh God, it's deeper, not mine. I didn't even notice it. Because I have such a deep voice. No, I can't tell you how many times I've watched starship troopers and wild things as a child and all adult. It's like she's got a very flirty, high pitched lady voice I wonder if she pitches her voice up. Your Voice Lowers over time. It's just sort of a natural thing, but that's ahead of schedule. I watched a couple of episodes of real housewives of Beverly Hills that she was on because I don't really watch housewives, but I had those scandal a foot, and what am I doing some house, so I'm maybe I've got time for this and I don't remember it being quite slow on real housewives, so maybe she is just an expert of pitching up and down, but the way it's wild where that voice sits in her chest like the. Little. Rattle to like it's definitely there's tobacco involved they're. Involved in that voice you especially here towards the end, but it's it's. A shock and they're definitely I can talk here and you sort of the higher part of my voice, or I can get lower and talk in this sort of this part of my register, but this is me talking this part of my register. She's down here talking like this, were you? Getting Home! Below homes sub. She went sub home. Who will never go up homes then we meet Harry played by Thomas Jane. Breaks into his house in the middle of the night. into edges house in the middle of the night, despite the fact that he has a child to in fact that child's Godfather. Exposition that scene was beautiful I. Do just want to say as a storyteller myself the exposition, the three sentences exchange. Like what are you doing like cod? I come and see my daughter and like well. That was my wife's idea. Come on, you old dogs. Let's talk about our old days in the air, force. Doing this thing with his face. He looks like Jim, Carrey Doing Charles Bronson Imitation. I assume he was trying to read the script from the cards. They were holding up behind edges. His wife was pulling race. No, he didn't know he was looking at his phone. In between every take I mean. Maybe, they were written on the pipe. Maybe his lines were on the pipe. It's so odd. Superman. Oh, it was just not his best work. Do we think he's not wearing pants like brandon and. He's got. Adidas slides on his feet. Underwear and then whatever he has to wear up top. He's like this. Is it in the shot, right? This isn't a shot as He doesn't need to pants to be asking edge. How he managed to get into this much debt when he was one of the greatest poker players who have ever lived, but then he lost that one hand naked. Never get it back. There are a lot of reasons why you lose a lot of money play. This is somebody who has lost a lot of money playing poker and one. Stuff just as your friend. He has a Nice House for who is forty billion dollars. Denise tells for a living I assumed realtor. That's true. About Thomas, Jane at a certain point is that he is a cat Cheshire. gotcha mission. Why did he shush that cat? The CAST? Yeah, the cat. The cat wasn't closed in trouble. The cat was just like. Hey, what's up? It's going on catches. It's going up. Harry Yeah I, don't I. Don't understand the problem. Yeah! It was just I feel like. The whole thing with the film for me. It feels like the script was written. Someone came back with notes, and there were many notes in were like. How does this happen? How does this happen? Why does this this special scale? Why do these people in this situation? I'm rather than do a second draft. Lawrence that wrote the movie just put in the character of Harry and had him deliver all exposition. Just had him deliver all justification that was needed, so he explained how edge had been in the air force with him. He explained the he lost all that money at poker. Even though he used to be the greatest, he later explains the shenanigans behind the heist, which is like. How did he even find that out like? How did he find these things out and also edge? For someone who is running the greatest crew in the world did not do his homework because it feels to me like that information was fairly easy to obtain. It really did seem like how did not really work that hard to find out what he found out later in the movie, but his entire character is that just deliver exposition? That's it man I do I love when they make someone go full giles like you're only their exposition against hit on the head that is looking at your watches, guides and explain some shit to people. Then pick up pipeline. Fuck off! At his crew will be there with, and he'll be taking trae Peterson and is available. Take with them while Iggy will stay on the ground it which he does not want to do. That's normally trays job, but he needs, but you know Jack. 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It's just the economy cabin of a regular super old shitty played. My favorite is when they are going through. What I am assuming is the boarding area. On the table, just the backstage of theater. It is just the back area of theatre. It is covered in curtains. Someone put some lights up because they once saw the t mobile lounge and It looks like the computer they are using is just a bunch of cardboard boxes on top of each other, just of cardboard boxes. Yup, top up each other. So. We're real issue for me and this is the most secure and luxurious casino in the entire world. Why is it only separated by curtains? Ever love. When trae closes the curtain like he just gets passed a curtain, everybody's right on the other side, and then in a not too soft voices like sorry. I had to ditch everyone I'm on my way like. Those are not heavy. Those aren't fire curtains. There's. No. soundproofing on the entire plane. No soundproofing. There's no way that you would not be able to hear everything that happened at any point in the plane on the plane. It's it's it's just insanity. Is My favorite kind of insanity, but I mean it made. Cats look very realistic. That's all I'm saying. It made me think. Yeah, they could be that size. They could be that right. This could be. The money plane. I was GONNA say the same thing? So we're introduced to the plane, and the house rules by concierge. Played by Mr Joey Lawrence. Who here are the rules of money plane? Yet Bracelet. Does the Lounge and the casino also apparently somewhere on this small plane. Everybody has a room to themselves. Don't fuck the stewardesses. Zero Tolerance Cheating Policy? There are adventure. What are they called adventure excursions, and also I feel like we can't talk about joy. Lauren's without talking about his weird fucking fashioned haircut like we can't do it. He still has his famous Joey Lawrence widow's peak. It would be a buzz cut, but it's just not the hair. It looks walking. It looks like a flocked Franco. It is completely. It is a completely shorn about a right at the widow. Speak area, and then just just a bunch of hair, but like it's wrong, right, it's. It's, isn't it because there's the big scar on the back of his head and he was. Not so why would you pay all that money to get new hair? And then just get a win and have it be not good. That's he's had he had it when he was when he was hosting. Splash or whatever that? Show was the celebrity diving show. Melissa and Joey. He had no had. No Yeah. Good. Good looking. My personal experiences with view, always super nice and very pleasant thing. We don't know any of these people were sure there cool. We're still GONNA. Make Fun of the fucking movie they made. On Edge looks good. You know. That I'm GonNa Make Fun of the movie they did hold on. I'm going to see I. Have the speech. He's given cute up. I'm going to see if I can do it in his cadence, I can't on this is. Daniel Radford as Let me. See how I do. It s just sat down with his beautiful suit, and even more beautiful man bud. He brought that suit from the. Gentleman. Separate passes my budget. Does he plane? Your concerts years and I am here. Desire for action answer. Was, do I get a cinnamon challenge before the. An edge is given a Lotta under bag Bagai while he's Oh. No, I'm the cheater. Of acting in this film as a lot of I acting I I, look, we're here. We are currently sitting on this. We will continue sitting on. This land edged the work. He's not bad. Visit a bad movie. He can be good I love that good and a good movie and I will say the scene where he gets out of bed in the middle of the night and walks down the stairs with the moonlight on his rippling ABC. Is, just it's. It's pretty hot on a to be why he was cast because he doesn't really have much else to do. Well I thought maybe this was shot in Canada, but so I did some research right? No uh-huh, so this was shot. Most of this I'm guessing is in a blackbox theater and that's why you have all the curtains everywhere. It just made me really sad that they show in New Orleans and they did not even attempt to get an alligator after I was explicitly promised is. To See guy fucking alligator money plane, and then was there I mean we'll talk show house going to lead us through the challenges and the bets that we see, but what I do want to say spoiler alert no one any point even attempts to make out with an alligator. It's check. No, no, it's checkups. Buck an alligator man, you tell me and the first bucket act. There's an alligator, but it doesn't need to be the thing like the alligator is a bet. Make the alligator eat the bad guy. It is checkoffs alligators you. Off You thought it was checkups alligator, but it was Schrodinger alligator. Off So we don't know if that was. Not! The alligator was all was not. Only behind the curtain, and it was the only curtain we never saw pulled back there. There's a whole thing where Jack was a great poker player that a terrible poker player that he sits down at the table and loses on a terrible like I could tell you as somebody who plays poker. Hand was such a pile of Shit. He had bottom pair, and then it only improved because the board paired off, which means somebody's got. Somebody has a set at least an anybody who has even one card higher than you beat you. There's no way to win, so he pushes all in with two guys in the hand with him, who is a stupid mistake to make so? Both if he ever had any skills boettger player, he has forgotten the game, but the game didn't normally in a movie like this. His path to redemption is him recovering. What made him a great poker player and winning a game? The point being he loses what is probably not an insignificant amount of money, and that just gets up and walks away and says all right mcgillicuddy, if any liens to the convincingly named Mr mcgillicuddy, who does bearish Irish National Irish national missive Akilah Godsey. Yield cody. Our but Also if we have learned nothing one thing that me and Lindsey definitely know from all of our experience playing poker is you got to know when to hold them no one else, right? That's walkaway and. Run off the money played. That's the only thing I know about. What does the only thing know about Polka and in fact life? That pot is one by the Mid West Lawrence Brother Matthew, who has a mustache on a cowboy hat at is really haunted up which? 'cause he's Lorentz. Like look. Joey had his day. He was the pretty Mauri- like he was the one was like. Oh, you're really really pretty, but. The hot warrants so. And they ruined that. That mustache carries at least twenty thousand bitcoin. So we moved from poker to more intense game the text the cowboys only satisfied with the game of Russian Roulette played with one of Yosemite Sam's revolver. This scene goes on for so long. So long. Did you know that the rule in Russian roulette and this is know you can check? The International Olympic Committee's website. They'll tell you well. Oh, and I will. When you win a game of Russian Roulette, your opponent has to go first, but they argue back and forth about it until the cowboys like all right, I'll do it. And then he shoots himself of the head could by ambulance it's it's hard because I think I. Don't know if they were the US rules. Because of the UK rules a difference. Really had to lake. You know think about that one. Maybe that's why it that was so long. Lindsey what's the? Gentleman's rules. For itself not gunshot in in. It was actually very similar to what actually transpired on money. Which is where you both insist out of politeness that the other person go first until someone else picks up the gun and just fires it hill. Someone dies, but Russia. I enjoyed full the background note of putting on Ponchos. That was my favorite part of the Russian Roulette. Game. That that's the gallagher concert of of underground black market games. Plane seems like a terrible idea. The number of times a gun is fired on the plane including by the concierge because somebody's caught cheating. Zero tolerance shot tolerance, although it was a very smooth action when the concierge shoot someone in the head I thought it was very good, and they're also. It was a little bit checkoffs gone where I expected to see more of the CONCIERGE's gun. Come into play later because that was almost as an aside to say hey, I am actually a I, too. Am about US motherfucker. Lindsey that's what happens when you plot. Any of that when you when you do a plot, those are the things that you do. And that is where we messed up was script though as an idea, there was some people, not even high I think coke I think there was some coked up people who went what if we combined connor with Ocean's eleven and maybe throw in a little bit of soul. But. We don't really worry too much about the script. And, then we just pay frazier moving on, we get. We get Jack. Executing the first part of the plan, which is breaking into the cockpit, they take out the pilot. and. He's like well. I'm all clear that he's like all right co-pilot pilot, so he's got I. Mean 'cause they never have those planes? Oh, and one of the things that the concierge assurance everybody's. We have the best pilots in the world. They're the best yet. There's given. Himself a pilot, he makes the point of saying I am. So again, I'm thinking further down the line. I'm going to get to see Joey Lawrence Flambeau. The fuck complain same now I'm not no I'm not. They get into a fight edge elbow wallet lot of elbow. Each other today's Fatu Lodge men to have a fight yet they get. The instruments are getting a beating here at so the plane keeps taking dives movie and it's like shaking an. Anybody who's experienced, bad turbulence plane. This is not what that is, but the concierge instead of going to check it out like I assure you whatever this is, it's fine. Our pilots are doing their best like not even a thought of we should go go check it. Go check the cockpit. Chat because presumably he's got like a piece in where he could speak to the pilots you'd think. It's still a plane. Right like don't. They have to talk to people on the ground although I will say I, like I, like the way the blood. Gave Edge like a little bit of a fun and flirty red streak. Yeah, a Nice Little Red Mallon street very broken edge. PROCAM money, playing edge. Point so now he's in the cockpit where he remains full practically the rest of the movie. As broken money playing edge, why do you hire a physical presence such as edge in an action movie and then just have him sit in a cockpit. Don't know what to do with all that poker and scrabbled edge. Goodnight tax and fights? Let's talk about these adventure events or whatever they recalled number. You're betting on man versus Cobra. And, all of this is done. To. To minimize effects, everything's just happening. Just off. Script turns into like a radio drama like Oh let your believe this Cobra attack a guy to guess how long they're going to last and mcgillicuddy goes on an amazing streak. Guessing and he definitely looks like he belongs there and a super. You always if you're on an international casino, filled with the bodies, motherfuckers on the planet, and you should definitely not ask questions about the man who never seems to be able to respond to his own name. You should definitely not ask questions about that fellow you should. He seems on the up and up. He works with a human trafficking. which is what edges covers? And he's definitely legit. This delightful Squirrel Ish, black man whose name is mcgillicuddy. And almost vomits after every event. Look up, Black Irish exist, but also. Just Irish didn't own a lot. interested just a whole thing, right? Connection like though I know what will make them seem legit. Let's make an Irish. Did. Any of your family lifted the troubles Mr mcgillicuddy. Feel about the potato blight must have a feeling. He needs to have a feeling. Friends and they have a feeling or they all have feelings really worry about dairy girls Mr mccown. and. Did you understand it is also a big problem? By the way we should say Jack reasons covers as a as a renowned sex trafficker that nobody's ever met the real sex trafficker. However was killed by on his team so apparently he wasn't that hard to find all along. Or maybe that's a sign of either how good his team is or just. How good Isabel is! Good Isabel because this is what we haven't talked about is the only person in this entire team that seems to have the actual skills required of her and the gumption to carry out her part in any scheme Isabella. Who is the bestest one, but also the most Motari one show you know? She loves her best friends. That's important. But she is definitely one hundred percent an actual psychopath. Oh, yeah, I! Do want to I quickly, so there is Manfred says Cobra what are the other this Parana members. Piranha may not be great. What was the other one that really getting to the bone? Oh, it was the men. The two men just sat in the room together, and then one man hits the Alley one in the head with an axe. The bludgeoned brothers is the is the second chest. and. Rohan is working. Let's look pleased to be and so in fiction there is. Man Versus Nature which you have in Mandy Cobra Matvey Parana and the mythical never seen. Man Vs gator. There is man versus man, which is the two men versus each other, and then offers man versus self, which I think manifests in the game of Russian Roulette this movie has every four of storytelling. We've been too unkind to this movie. It is clearly. All the themes that we learned in college on the first day and never never revisited. Can I be real a second for just a millisecond? This is exhausting. So the transfer the bitcoin than the vaults. Nothing is what appears to be. They set up Darius Grab Cuba Florida's through this. They set up Darius Grouch get. He's like the best motherfucker. The take down the money plane. Right now. Are You fucking with me? You think you're bad ass, yeah. The criminals on this plane would eat you alive on this plane. You're a dime a dozen karnal. Don't give a fuck. WHO's on that plane I'm the motherfucker on the planet. I am Darius grouse the third the rumble I am taken down the money pint now. Bring me your money. And they wind up playing that for everybody. The buddy playing over the loudspeaker which nobody bats it I, just like everyone. Seems like an asshole. Yeah, no, WE'RE GONNA kill Darius grabs the third. WHO WANTS TO BET? He'll be dead and fifteen minutes, so the terrible people on the money play. Never get up they. Redeem themselves by sending some masked men in a mini van to Frazier's house. Frazier Slash Darius coach slash the rumble. Slash colonel you learn. One of the principles of a good heist is your plan is only as good as your plan. B. and plan B. and this when iggy comes under attack on the ground is to have Thomas Jane operated drone with a handgun on it. I. See Yeah van. Three. Fifty While Thomas Jane Sat in his own home spokane. And have a lull. It a little bit nepotism. Vine a little bit. A little bit goes a long way although I do think there was a role for Christian in this movie and I think the edge front down. I also enjoyed that. Edge took the time. To move his laptop with the skype connection down to the colonel on the ground. To in front of the door of the plane, because won't say, had strap themselves full of or do. They didn't take the cash, so they start themselves with parachutes and then. The criminals the the murderous Isabela. The terrible poker player edge and the beleaguered Mr mcgillicuddy have a conversation about how they don't want the money because it's dirty money. And they should just throw it out the plane. onto the empty. Does it below them. It's Bitcoin. We'll those those the code and the cash because they were going to transfer the bigger within their the cash right? 'cause like we don't want this. It's dirty. We should give it to the people who have been damaged by these terrible people I'm like well. You know what the best way to fellas his. Take it with you and give it to him. Somehow I saw five bloods. You have to physically give the money to someone else. You can't just throw out the plane eventually. Their money, their retirement score off of the painting which Darius Grouch head. Stole it from him. It was set up because at the. Edge to get the painting. The painting was never there because it belonged to Darius in the first place, and he had moved it, but he hadn't moved in hidden it. To cover his tracks, he moved it to somewhere in Europe. I think in Italy. Put It on display. It was very easy for Thomas Jane to Track the painting see that it was already on display middays after they were supposed to do the heist. It's just you guys you guys. It just never stops falling apart I. Don't know any point that it's one piece. But the movie never stops falling about also. We don't get see frazier. You get blown up. Which really pissed me? It's you really doing also. The painting lives outside on my porch. It's a forty million dollars painting, and it's just hanging out on the back on the porch while they smoke and drink and their pool, I think there's a pool. There's definitely a dog. It's definitely a dog and a cat and a cat would without a doubt. piss on that painting. That cat doesn't care about duck. No, yeah. Well, there's movie folks. If you have any thoughts on what we've discussed. Connect with us on facebook, twitter, instagram and discord visa links at our show notes money playing available digital in DVD. We'll be back after this was some things from the wrestling world that you should know about this is Tyson fight? Hey I'm jared hill co host, other brand new maximum, fun podcast Fanti Travel Anderson I'm the other more fabulous co host and the reason you really should be. Of the nausea rising to be Fanti is to be a big fan of something, but also have some challenging anti feelings toward. Cognac. We're all fans of Konya. He's a musical genius, but like you know creeping flavors, choice, or like the real housewives of Atlanta like I, love the drama, but do I want to see black men fighting onscreen. To now to now now now we're tackling all of those complex and complicated conversations about the people places and things that we love even though they may not love of back fanti maximum fun podcast. Tight? Ties had. Welcome back to Tyson fights I'm how lovely I'm joined today by Danielle. And Lindsey calc this week we are going to end the show by sharing some of the joy of wrestling with you. This is the three count. Danielle alright so really quickly eight. You W did two things that were really really awesome that I want to talk about and one of them was sunkissed, just being sunkist. Deal with a bad ass intro having a great great bucket match just amazing and this was I think. One, of the biggest things he's on his career, and he brought it, and there was no question. We always knew that he was amazing and getting to watch him on. Such a big stage was great. Somebody over for that, and then I'm also putting over. Be Return of Vickie Guerrero to wrestling i. know that you know. She had quit for a while and honestly I remember when that happened. 'cause I just moved to La and. And when she retired, we realized because I. Don't phone one of the gossip stuff. We just realized like that like when that was happening, it was like Oh. Shit like this is a retirement. Look, you could see. I actually cried and so having her comeback I don't know if nine needs a manager at that was pretty good at talking on our own, but I do I think that they're smart and that ny on her own. Even as a monster as a heel, she's not getting heel heat because we like her too much, and we want to succeed too much, and so you put her with Vickie Guerrero who was going to get her some heel heat. I'm except for me who I'm GONNA. Love it either way so I I have thought about that, but anyway I'm really happy to see. Come back because I love her and those things. Now since it is officially. Manager of rose. I have a special message for the women's Locker Room. This moment on ladies. Begging you to stop lying to yourself of how great you are. Also admit the governor be smart enough to cheat to win. The Not. Rose is going to still. Opportunity. How? Lindsey. My things are new. Japan. Things to sometime, a new pan had a huge double show weekend. Just just past weekend. You can watch your on. New Japan World Nine, nine hundred nine yen I enjoy both upon and the price and you can see the final night of the new Japan Cup where we see Okada versus evil in the final, which was a perfectly decent match, but more so exciting at the end when evil turned his back on l.. Jay, I'm. Extremely scandalous was extremely scandalous can begin to tell you the ripples between the ran through Japanese wrestling fandom. It was huge. It's awesome for bullet club who have been floundering. 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Trump's primary challengers

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56:53 min | 1 year ago

Trump's primary challengers

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We are going to talk today about some some dense methodology at the <hes> but gave us the whole economy metrics seminar with a simple who knows math is hard <hes> but what's easy is mounting primary challenges to donald trump. I think no no it's easy to run hard to win <hes> i think i think it's safe to say that trump will probably be the republican nominee right in two thousand eight and extremely hot take yeah. I've got it <hes> my my nate silver over ometer has it at a a ninety nine point six percent chance <hes> but a couple a couple gentlemen are running against him. It's for the republican tribeca nomination and then there's the tier of declared candidates and then there's kind of this lake second lake demi-monde people who haven't said who it is expected need depending on how things fall may run against him right which i think makes this fairly crowded field right. I let's introduce a of whom we are speaking we we're speaking of former massachusetts governor bill weld who was previously seen as running as a libertarian party vice presidential candidate in two thousand sixteen to gary johnston who told me that he was fifty percent bernie sanders and fifty percent donald trump so everyone should like him which was an argument yes and his argument it is legally an argument and then there's former republican legislator tea party aficionado and conspiracy theorist joe walsh not of the eagles and they both seem to be working from a general working idea that what people want is a republican dan but a different kind of republican and so for example. I interviewed bill weld a couple of weeks ago and he he said that his pitch to voters including millennials was that he was a normal republican. <hes> he was had a big believer in shrinking the size of government he really believed moved in tax cuts but he was very concerned with the end of nafta and thought that the iran deal should be put back in place he was calling for the return the house theon era of republican politics there was about free markets and free trade and this idea of being republican that donald trump is not. There's a big difference in weld. Walsh is it which is that well was a classic like new england moderate republican who in in the ninety s was not like at war with national party leadership but was out of step with i feel like when we now think of republicans who are out of step with party leadership we think of people who are very clearly outliers right like before just nash left the party that kind of thing or like the two republican governors who exist on the east coast now who are kind of seen as like they get lots of passes but they're rare. Bill won't comes out of a time when you're not when it's accepted that new england republicans are going to be like they're all all like that and there are still a lot of them so it's kind of a wing of the party if not a particularly powerful right right but i mean it was just to say that like bill bill weld has been a a at least somewhat dissident republican right through his entire career in public life. He's publicly pro choice how he is placed within the twenty nineteen version of the converter. Even the two thousand sixteen version twelve version of the republican party is interesting interesting when mitt romney was running for president briefly in two thousand eight bill weld was chair of his committee in new york but then when romney dropped out weld ultimately absolutely endorsed obama for lots of reasons. He is not in fact a normal republican. There are people who are much closer to the republican party mainstream who is still mulling pre primary challenges to trump the fact that weld was literally running in a third party like running under a third party banner in two thousand sixteen even though he was loath to to give up his republican credentials even at that point would be a reason for you know a primary voter perhaps to be skeptical of him and some of the same ways that lake to knock on bernie sanders that he isn't a real real democrat and at the same time that he's telling you as a normal republican he's telling other reporters that he's running against partisanship and the current state of partisan politics which is a very odd awed position to be in when you're running in a primary that definition really isn't something to build bridges to people who are outside putty into mentally right like weld hearkens back not to a pre trump version of the republican party but really to appre george w you bush freshman republican party that had a bigger constituency of secular ish or mainline protestant right <hes> business people living in coastal and silly exist chamber of commerce. They are there but i mean it's not not. It's not that there aren't vengeful. Christians in the chamber of commerce probably not in the chamber of commerce in boston right now and that's bill. Weld's thing and so it doesn't i. It's interesting because it's this has been one of the most robust political traditions in america like massachusetts currently has a moderate republican governor. It's not actually dying off but it has no. It's been a long time. It's been back to the nineteen. Eighty primary was the last time this style of politics had like a real purchase in the presidency and there's so much about trump. It's like we're. It's not like donald. Trump is conservative on social issues right. It's like he's also like you know owns this network of golf courses and and tweets weird stuff yeah so and joe joe walsh is closer to what i think of as the median modern day republican party politicians so the thing with with joe walsh is he was a one term illinois congressman who was elected as part of the tea party wave in two thousand ten but in the nineteen nineties he was like when he was running for congressional and statewide office he was running as a pro choice person and then he was a prolife person with no exceptions wins and then he became the most trumpian of trumpy voices which apparently for him necessitated using incredibly racist and antisemitic invective and spending a great deal of time supporting failed white nationalists attempted paul ryan challenger paul nalen <hes> including having him on his radio show two days after unite the right in charlottesville but walsh's entire thing now is like you know i helped create donald trump and i regret this and here's what i've learned now again. Joe walsh has pivoted enough times that i am grow increasingly suspicious of his most recent pivot and it was interesting because i think that when you go back he seems to want you to believe that he says that it was the meeting between trump and putin helsinki that changed his mind but i don't know when he stopped thinking that stevie wonder was ungrateful for taking a symbolic knee at a concert in two thousand seventeen or saying that i object to protests over something that doesn't exist police killing black men in september twenty eighth twenty sixteen. It was not many moons ago. It was like a couple of moons ago his entire thing he told george stephanopoulos at the beauty of what president trump has drawn is that he's made me reflect fled and some of the things i've had in the past i had strong policy disagreements with barack obama and too often. I've let those policy disagreements get personal. <hes> you know now that really depends on your definition of the term policy disagreement but joe walsh's theory of change appears to be. I am a former trump est. I seeking some sort of reconciliation with the people i've wrong. It's it's as if he's very early stages of an a._a. Meeting right so what you simultaneously have is per matt joe walsh being a more representative republican in terms of what the current republican party believes and joe walsh running a less ideological campaign the campaign that appears to be focused on the unfitness of donald trump as an individual for office which is like if you can make that case successfully then sure it's easy to understand why republican voters might not have a problem you know pulling the lever for somebody who they don't think collages their fundamental ideas about what it is to be human being but if joe walsh is also saying well because i've now gotten critical distance from donald donald trump. I'm thinking that maybe all of this other stuff. I said on you the signature issues that donald trump road to power where the republican party. He is now thoroughly behind him. I'm now saying that those are bad too. That's a much bigger distance. The struggle that i have thinking about both of these guys or for that matter her the candidates who have kind of hinted at running mark sanford former south carolina congressman who trump deposed somewhat gleefully via stumping for his primary challenger the last year or for that matter doesn't amash who may be running for the libertarian or republican presidential nominations after declared himself an independent like in terms of any of their individual critiques trump. It's very hard to distinguish where they're saying that. The party is fine but trump is bad which the party is doesn't it doesn't agree with the party ranks. Trump is good and where they're saying that the party needs to go another direction which is traditionally what you do in primary but also as a somewhat higher bar to clear to get people to vote for you in particular and i think that all of this <hes> noah rothman who's a conservative writer at commentary wrote a piece for n._b._c. News <hes> think section action which can opinion and analysis section where you made the point that though trump is popular a lot of the things trump does are less popular with republican voters so there's kind of like if you if you ask people would you think about donald trump. The result will be different than what you think about the trade war. What do you think about these specific. The civic aspects that if you take the words donald trump out of it the argument is that republicans are still concerned about debt. There just less concerned about debt because donald trump is involved or they still support free trade. They just also support trump so the idea. I think that rothman or is is is that the cognitive dissonance that typifies a party that supports trump but still fears the consequences of america's addiction to fiscal profligacy is hard to overlook look and this contradiction is a smart fisher for republican primary challenge to exploit. I think though that that you are giving the world famous dubious madder ugliest sense where the importance of the deficit or the importance of trade. I think that there is very much of a sense people who are supportive of trump one thinking like he's done enough on those things and all those things aren't his fault or his fighting or whatever but also how much two people actually care about those things when i spoke to with wild who was like monies are very concerned about the deficit and when you go in to pull the lever for someone in a primary you're not pulling the lever four i disagree with trade wars will ever for donald trump or a particular other individual and so if the whole theory of the keys here is if you like donald trump that don't like some of the things that he's doing. You should get donald trump out of office like that. Syllogism doesn't work for me way but what here the let's let's take a break and i want to look at this from the other side. Hey it's matt n._f._l. 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If you subscribe to the virtuous wherever you get your podcast bluff rita listen and join us so again subscribe to the virtuous wherever you get your podcast. We'll see their what's interesting about this interview. The paradigm dare aarp put forward. Is that like or no rothman even like it's true that a lot of rank and file republicans seem to be really into the donald trump persona sown right but the critique of trump that i think would incredibly resonate inside official republican party politics is like just the <unk> opposite of that right that broadly you would continue with trump's policy approach and even concede that trump has made some smart choices about recalibrating what the republican party's images but that donald trump personally is just not a good choice of leader leader right that like he has a forty two percent approval rating. He keeps stepping on new cycles with like weird controversies. That aren't about anything when hits on an idea that republicans generally think is smart like let's try to make ilhan omar the face of the party. He doesn't do it in a super smart art way. He's not really shrewd. He's not really a well organized right and we should just put somebody else in to do the job bright. The problem is like that idea has no clue resonance with normal people for for whom the dispute about trump is itself a kind of identity politics toke yeah right. We're you know if you you are a sort of a professional republican. The fact that trump up seems to be down five to ten points or approval rating from where a more appropriately conducted person would be really worries. You 'cause you wanna win elections and hold power but to a lot of rank and file people all who feel that american pop culture has sort of neglected <hes> like working class white people and in traditionalist values like the fact that trump is such a lightning rod is it's not exactly that it's like good but like taking trump's side of the argument about trump is i think clearly seen to people as a way of standing up for themselves mm cell right right and it is itself a identity marker of a sense so if trump is tweeting means things about debra messing. You have have to parse that out as this is trump. Speaking out against coastal elites of which trump is one but there's a very much of a sense in which your objections or liking for trump have very little. I think for you for a lot of people they have little to do with what what trump does but just more so about who trump is and i think that there's a sense that your mom stands for the concept of trump. I didn't think there's there's also like very relevant. Divide here. Which is that people who are professionally involved in politics are by definition high information voters. A lot of people do not know what donald trump is tweeting on a daily basis like fox news while it covers some of trump's self-generated off generated news cycles tends to not cover. His random fights with lake. You know they'll cover fights with ilan omar because omar is a significant nick like cultural figure in other regards lightning rod for other culture war issues. They won't cover random celebrity fights with debra messing so a lot of the ability that trump has has to step on his own news cycles matters a whole lot. If you're already high information voter in your collected body of information and going okay a we have a lot of evidence events that someone other than donald trump could be doing a better job of highlighting republican policies and it like accomplishments and proposals and be we have a collective elected body of evidence that donald trump is not a reliable person to have in the commander in chief seat that he's like a poor decision maker. What i think is really under appreciated. Is that if you unders. If you appreciate donald trump because of what he stands for you probably already kind of priced in yeah he and a tweet some things that i don't particularly really think are important but you've already written that off. You're not following. The day-to-day of right here is what donald trump is doing today and you're not exhausted by in the same way that a lot of people who follow politics on a day to day are but i think it's almost like more pathological than that because it's not liking donald trump because of what he stands for it's it's donald trump because of what his presence in office symbolize swag which is not like trump's victory over hillary clinton but your victory victory over you know some sense of the elites right and i i don't know i i think i've been canceled for offering this analogy in the past asked but trump reminds me a lot of a figure lake marion barry or james an archetype that we're familiar millier with from african american politics which is the big city mayor who it becomes clear is in fact not that effective and and is somewhat corrupt ethically challenged but who is seen as the authentic champion of the city's majority and whose enemies are seen as culturally alien and criticism of the leader is seen as hypocritical because the you know in this case like white elites don't hold themselves to this same standard <hes> that they are trying to put your champion to that he's kind of getting over on the system in a way that so shows that he shrewd he's like mentally the fact that he is in high elected office does not change the fact that his constituents silence are fundamentally victims and therefore criticism of him is punching down like i think is very like very obviously has different print empirical levels of truth when we're talking about marion berry in d._c. And when we're talking about donald trump and the united states but like that's the theory of the case and it's challenging to it's it's then gets easy on those situations like on paper be like well. Why don't we just get like a different politician. Who's from the same community who has the same policy stances but who isn't involved in illicit drug staff and that will be better but nobody nobody wants to hear it right. It's like when you are at war four at elect community to community level in politics and like this person as your champion is like the symbolic <hes> icon of like what is the city about who is the city four who is the true community than these details are not important and the proposal to swap out the leader for a fresh face like it doesn't get any traction with anyone. It's easy for me to sit here and be like look. If you just like had mike pence is be president he would probably do way better in two thousand twenty and that would advance republican aims but nobody who's into trump is going to see it that way which i i think it's interesting also because i think there's also a moment in which occasionally when <hes> the the worst twitter fights that happen generally are between liberals and focus on the left on the subject of barack obama and some of this sort of shows up in which people point out like drone strikes on weddings and had like and things that obama did that were not good but there's this idea of like no no no what obama did matters way less than who will obama was or who obama was viewed as being it's interesting how that separation takes place and i see this a lot with not like dedicated trump supporters quarters because there are a lot of people who are trump supporters who are not republican party supporters but for the people who've managed to square that circle. There's very much of a sense of like the what we're getting some of what he wants and he seems to make the people. We don't like mad arrigo. We're just going to deal with this what i will be interested in <hes> and <hes> you. I've talked about this last week on the mark. Levin show is how the post trump g._o._p. Will deal with this time. There's either going to be the josh chali for president two thousand twenty four movement or there's going to be the why don't we just find another george bush. Is he available. What's he up to so yes. This is the thing because because in general the line on primary challenges to incumbent presidents is they don't succeed but the same things that make someone likely to primary and grab it president also make it likely that the pro the the incumbent president is not as likely to win in <hes>. Would you like not. It's not the same as saying. Oh you've disrupted party. Unity in the brief made our guy lose. It's just that like if you see if you smell blood in the water it sells underwater and it's interesting also just to quickly go back. Generally the effort to primary someone from your own party tends to be more effective if view are further towards the ideological whatever whatever that party estimate right so for instance ronald reagan attempted tried to primary gerald ford seventy six pat buchanan launched a primary campaign against george h w bush in nineteen ninety-two with further record is an instructive comparison here not like not because buchanan is similar to bill weld analogy quite to the contrary but because bill wells political theories that he's going to overperform in new hampshire would yes if you overperform a primary challenger in new hampshire that does tend to lend a certain amount of if not credibility to your candidacy attention to the weakness of the incumbent but the model for overperforming in new hampshire is pat buchanan primary george h w bush which is to say a populist primary aim right exonerate new england republican roy. I'm not totally sure how bill weld things that math lays out in his favor it it. It seemed unclear. He seemed to be very much on the argument meant that i have not in the in new england do not meet many trump supporters erico but you know the the buchanan thing the certainly in nineteen sixty eight which is like the a paramedic example because lyndon johnson did ultimately not seek reelection yes so the primary insurgent challenges. His candidacy really did have an aim amen resting the democratic party away from you know commitment to vietnam. Do i can understand the logic of a primary challenger of i'm not going to win but in case the incumbent loses and i think he might lose lose. I now have a platform to say. Here's what i think. The party ought to be and when i think of that i think of ted cruz at the two thousand sixteen republican national convention right. What are your conscience amazingly forgotten moment because ted cruz then you became a very enthusiastic trump supporter in time for election day but as lean as the convention invention ted cruz didata doors donald trump and instead give this like very saying vote your conscience right will scream at him and he looked bafflingly happy right. That might be the last true. It's not this right. I think so much what happens after trump is going to hinge on like like what are the circumstances under which trump leaves office right yes. I would say a really dumb way to forecast the future is to just assume that the conditions that prevailed today will will prevail in the future but if it happened right like it is no change in the environment between now and november twenty twenty it seems like trump would lose is the election and would lose it relatively narrowly but would lose it under weird circumstances to lose reelection fight where like the economy's pretty good. The unemployment rate's low. There's no huge farm policy disasters and that would really argue in favor of a demus post-trump reform right which is to say like take a lot of the ideas that we've been working with but just try to like have shit together better and then we could have won and maybe ease up on the trade stuff because that's controversial among republicans right the other scenario is one in which trump whether it's because something bad happens next year or because something bad happens in a trump second term but is where you have circumstances similar to wear bush left the stage which is like with the country in in a state of crisis and doing really poorly in the election and people are like oh. We need like a whole new direction or then. There's the reagan model all we're actually able to hand off to a successor while you were still popular and powerful and it's just like the the future is uncertain certain and we don't really know it's interesting to me. Is jane league. You mentioned josh halley regarding. He's an interesting guy because he seems to have really joined joined. What is the most divisive like intellectual topic among present day conservatives which is like. Should we trust to the free market or jiangyin. Yes like the steering hand. The state reshape the economy right that the france why tax society and in so doing right exactly and like howley's position in this is to like those of us who like read obscure things is like the quote unquote trumpian position but donald donald trump doesn't like actually a spouse that view and particularly clear way so there's an idea of trumpism that is markedly unconnected to who trump or what trump is generally like you've take the charismatic political figure and you build an intellectual superstructure around him depending on the circumstances like holly people who agree with him some of your clever you can either spin that as like the party needs to adopt our ideas to consolidate the successes of trumpism bore the party he needs to adopt our ideas to make up for the failures of trumpism because it's like both something that is associated with trump but like not really reflected in trump's policy-making normal people's engagement with the buckle system is on a level of like what's controversial about trump is trade wars personal misconduct conduct and like like say weird stuff not dislike in the weeds things the you know tech companies. I think yeah no. I think you're right. That's the post facto. They have that option but i think right now. It seems to me that most republicans are looking at trump and success correctly directly into it that donald trump as an individual politician is more popular than the disaggregated things to which they can break donald trump into lake that does mean that you know for obvious reasons. Primary challenges are doing but like the other way that you can demonstrate the case by looking congressional republicans right like in theory super galaxy brain take if you are concerned about the direction of your party post donald trump or for that matter if you're concerned that donald trump is going to lose you the election the way that you have have the most control over post trump g._o._p. Would be to push for impeachment. Remove him from office. Get mike pence in there like i'm the they're not doing it but they're not. I'm doing it for the very obvious reason if they know donald trump is popular among the republican base and therefore pushing him out is going to lead to all of them getting pushed out in primaries like by similar token if you're worried about the conduct of donald trump in office even without primary him you could pass laws that restrict executive power. They're not doing that. Why aren't they doing that because they don't wanna pick fights with donald trump. Why don't they want to pick fights with donald trump because they know he's more popular than they are. Among the republican base or at least they suspect that and they're too conservative small casey conservative to test that notion. There's there's also a sensibility that i think is in some way correct that the basic theory of this is that what trump has been able to do is he did not widen widened the field of potential votes. He deepened it so he has a very specific base and it is very deepen committed business. It is not a wide one and so for example. There's been recent polling on how he's starting to lose. Not just the college educated white men and white women but also also non college educated women and you start seeing a lot of concerns from people in kind of professional conservatism about suburban white women and who if trump just never said anything at all i think that there's an idea of trump in which trump decides that he is going to do america's greatest this calvin coolidge impression and just stops talking and doesn't say anything awkward and somehow we managed to forget about paying off porn born actresses and all that kind of thing there's bad forgotten about paying off were and after entire episode i i i can never forget i regret but but i think that there's an idea that like that is there are a lot of people who are just kind of like if trump shot up we can keep suburban white women on board but i think that for the primary challengers their idea is if we can kind of break up the support and some way or show the fishers or show that the support because i think that there's an idea among a lot of people and i think you see this in the media that the how trump won in two thousand sixteen was like super crazy magic that he can use <music> at any time so all of his very bad ideas are actually super genius ideas because he wanted to two thousand sixteen and thus that must be how he did so but but i think the idea is that if you can show the fishers if you can show that the depth of support does not correspond to wide support that you know when trump came mm-hmm and the with the two thousand eighteen midterms and when you know down ballot candidates relax. Let's make this about policy. Issues in trump was like boop boop boop leroy royd jenkins. I'm gonna make this about terrifying immigrants coming to kill you. It didn't work and i think the idea here. I don't know how effective it will be. You probably won't be for a lot of a lot of states are starting to close their g._o._p. Primaries to protect trump which has happened before but there's an idea that if you can show the fishers if you can show that like the base is not that big they're loud. They're kind of mean sometimes but it's not that big. I think that is part of the thesis behind. These efforts hurts to primary trump but then you know so much because you're talking about you know what what can you show right and a lot of this. I think comes down to two media dynamics in a weird way. Wait did like you know you could posit some much stronger potential trump challenge right and said so what if like greg abbott ran against trump in the primary right on a platform at form of like look like we gotta have strong borders but like not save racist staff that makes lifelong republicans in the suburbs of dallas one vote for better award <hes> in a world where he could go on sean hannity's television show and have a respectful conversation with sean hannity about whether greg abbott or donald trump better reflects the best ideas of conservative politics and the best hope for the republican party going forward. It's like that's not going to happen right like there isn't going to be an open venue for having this discussion that the time to convince the sort of conservative base that trump is not a good champion for their cause was a long time ago during the two thousand sixteen primary before he got a sort of officially really branded as the front runner and they mostly didn't do that. Then right i mean i were called like looking at the twenty twenty democratic primary how much 2016 and which eventually became about flailing criticisms of trump but was dominated early on by all the prominent candidates assuming trump would fade that was is a time in which he would have been easy right for ted cruz jeb bush marco rubio in july twenty fifteen september twenty fifteen fifteen to get a very respectful hearing in conservative spaces for like their argument about why would be better than donald trump but they mostly weren't doing get back then and now the the conservative <hes> broadcast world has decided that like it's really into trump so they are going to steer this conversation particular directions. I mean i think the other thing that has been hinted at there is there's never just one challenger to trump right. Even when donald trump i'm not only was getting a plurality but not a majority of republican voters in early primaries but like was inspiring very passionate opposition and not just us within the like d._c. Cocktail party elites among longtime republic longtime grassroots republican activists who were skeptical of his recent conversions on social foolish us even at that time it wasn't possible for anybody to coalesce around a single challenger to trump probably in large part because ted cruz who was the strongest ideologically geologically position to do so it was like personally disliked by so many republican figures that it is impossible to coalesce around him but by the same token like you don't just have have one super trump challenger right now you already have to declared challengers. You know sanford could get in <hes>. There's you know like a mosh isn't saying saying no which means people are going to continue to pressure to get in there continues to be noise that like the boasts effective people to challenge donald trump would be charlie baker or larry hogan yeah republican governors that we mentioned like the idea that the ideal anti-trump candidate is out. There is always going to stop or at least okay. I won't predict the future but has for like literally you know four years at this point stopped anti-trump republicans from coalescing around a single actually existing existing challenger to donald trump and so it makes it much harder to imagine you're going to have a challenge to trump's dominance in the republican party because it's not trump versus x. challenger. It's trump versus a field of nobody's yes. It's interesting because i think there is an idea that some folks in conservative media have have that because trump does a thing and that thing polls while with republican voters the thing itself is popular where whereas i don't think that's entirely early true and i think one of the challenges that's going to be had is that trump's version of republicanism is far more popular than other other people's version of republicanism. I mean there's a reason why i mean there are many reasons but there's a reason why ted cruz is not president. There's a reason why the entire idea of like let's break up. Big tech is no longer just an idea that elizabeth warren is having and there's an idea it look. I think one of the things that trump has done very effectively is subvert vert the idea that professional conservatives and people who vote thinking they're conservatives. Were all on the same page where were definitively now anything concrete terms. I mean this is why i thought this idea that republican voters are concerned about fiscal profligacy is wrong. This was the big thing in terms of issues shoe substance with trump the it doesn't get a lot of attention was on spectacular as immigration stuff and other things but like he just abandoned abandoned the conservative position on social security and medicare right completely abandoned it in favor of a different loudly abandoned. It wasn't a like a thing he just it doesn't talk about like a lot of the tariff stuff. I think wasn't as prominent during the republican primary but you know anyone who was following his rhetoric closely could tell he was like on the debate stage defending himself against other republican candidate was saying no no no this is important and it was a move to the middle right. It was the equivalent of if a democratic candidate got got up there and was like we've got it cool it with this extreme pro-choice stuff you know what i mean like and there was a backlash from the conservative movement end against it ready turned out that like not only was trump's position and social security medicare more popular with the general electorate was also more popular with rank can file republicans and if you go if you find the conservative wong's they'll tell you look. We didn't like come up with the idea that you need to cut these programs just because we were bored one after they're gonna show you all these graphs about spending trends and debt but right now interest rates on federal debt like today day cratered again from what we're already historic lows so there's no objective pressure on this. I i don't know how long that will hold hold up right but the the idea that there's going to be just like a mass uprising where people start demanding cuts popular programs for no reason yeah like that's that's not going to happen but there really could be i don. I don't wanna get too deep into like weird macroeconomic forecasting but like this situation can change to create circumstances in which like that really is pressure to cut these programs and then you know who knows that's right like trump is not <hes> doing a lot of like briefings that really spell out his thinking on longterm fiscal policy in a clear way he has just brushed aside <hes> like people on the left thing that you need to have taxes to pay for these programs people on the right that you need to get rid of the programs to pay for the tax cuts and trump is just like lottie the dow but for the time being that's totally fine yeah the idea that the republican party can make anti entitlement advocacy central. Oh part of its platform is based on you know to be super to like be super simplistic about at the thomas frank model of the republican party right which is that you can get voters to mobilize for you on social issues because they care more about social issues and you can throw them some bones while do while engaging economic policy that not only may be unpopular generally maybe unpopularity among your base but what the donald trump insurgency has shown is that the populous base doesn't need to do that. They get everything they want. They don't need settle for half the loaf and so the argument and and that furthermore that those economic issues are a cultural matter to them because their questions of who has power in america erica and whose voices are elevated and who gets to represent lee who is the face of america and of american power to the rest of the world and i don't know how you you get that genie back in the bottle did. Should we do a white paper but this swisher. 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Your day subscribed today explained for free on apple podcasts gas or in your favorite podcast app. It's from stitcher and the vox media podcast network have today audits as evidence experiments on samples and enforcement enforcement by patrick line and christopher walters is about u._c. Berkeley professors. I'm gonna straight up. Admit this paper had like an off the charts level of math. I didn't understand right and it wasn't lake generally. We can kind of ignore the math because it is a segregated in a particular part of the paper. This dematheer is crucial crucial to the argument that the paper is actually making which is that you can use econometrics to predict with reasonable accuracy using the kind of famous resume studies as which are you send resumes to employers with like names that are that sound prototypical white or pro typically black etc and the callback rates. It's the you get are suggestive evidence of disparate treatment that you could actually use that to predict with reasonable accuracy which firms are deliberately engaging discriminatory discriminatory to hate behavior yeah so i just wanted to be straight out and say that what what i think is most interesting to discuss. Here is not actually what's the central point of this paper paper which is a lot of math. That's beyond me so okay setup. They're saying there's a kind of experiment that people do where they send resumes out to different employers and you can manipulate the resumes to be identical except that you give what they call racially distinctive names so you put like some very black <hes> names on a couple of resumes a very white names on some others you send them out <hes> so an interesting thing that they find looking back. These experiments have mostly been conducted to try to understand the amount of discrimination that happens like either in society in general or in an industry or something like that nick comes back you know they always show like there's a modest amount of discrimination against black resumes so the fact that they develop that i think is interesting is that this is not because most companies are a little bit discriminatory. It's because a relatively small number of companies are super discriminatory roy so then the whole paper is like a bunch of math. That's about the consequences of this like. How can we develop statistical techniques to let us use lose these to catch discriminators because for for basis law type reasons <hes> when when you were trying to attack when you're trying to use statistical methods detect activity that is rare. You need to be careful about getting too many false positives so matthew math math math i i think it was interesting that the discrimination is so concentrated right and then furthermore like this is all they're using data from previous audit red resume resume on studies right like they're not doing their own experiments and so just by going back and looking at some of the most like mathematically reliable viable studies in the field that existed they showed hey by the way if you went back and looked at your data you would find that this is actually concentrated in in a long tail superheavy discriminators. I think that there's something i mean frankly. I don't think that it's as little as i understood the econometric metric argument that they're making and you know while i think that any endorsement of their argument kind of implies a level of mathematical confidence that mathematically cannot have off <hes> there is something to be said for kind of seeing this as seeing the concentrated employer discrimination and the so so you could use math to work this out as interrelated phenomena right because like if you're trying to look for behavior that a few firms are doing really heavily you can't just and inver just not at a point at as a society where you can say like well the numbers demonstrate that you hired more white people than black people relative to their proportion in the population therefore we're going to haul all you in for an e o c complaint but the e._e._o._c. is kind of inundated with existing complaints that are you know qualitative in nature that that are an individual experience or you know the experiences of several people who are saying. Hey there's something going on here and if you thought about this as a way to triage. It's kind of a second tool to have so that you could you know figure out which of the e._e._o._c. complaints are most likely to result in sear in in results. If you were to engage in series investigation the end of this paper goes as far as to say that you could reliably predict whether someone is discriminating by by doing a resume experiment on them using ten resumes that like that's you don't need to you don't need to experimentally test the entire size as of the company you can get a very good predictor of is this just a random <hes> circumstance that the white resin the resumes with white names are getting called back just just without small number so you can understand it as kind of an added method but again that requires having somebody who actually knows the math go through and say yeah this. This is a method that is unlikely to result in calling people discriminators who for whom like there are just other things going on there just calling back the first resume that they happen to like or getting too many lake nah everything's fine we can explain this otherwise right and especially because the paper notes that it basically made race into a binary choice of white or black red red as it notes that description. There's a lot of heterogeneity and how discrimination is experienced in differing workplaces. This is at i'm just a little concerned with how this particular i mean i think it works from a mathematical michael standpoint but i also think that the experience of discrimination i think that's one of the biggest challenges about our understanding of discrimination in a post jim crow post kind of human resources development concept idea the workplace is that it is not an generally an objective standpoint. It is generally not like <hes> yes. I wasn't fact discriminating against this person it. Was you know they could argue well. These just the first resumes we got or your these specific perfect things that we were looking for and there's an argument. I think that is something that i i would be interested to see for the research but i'm just a little bit kind of like i think think attempting i recognize the place of math in our daily lives whether i like it or not but i am just a little bit nonplussed i believe is the term i think that the the resume studies have been the best way to kind of breakthrough logjam right because generally there tends to be a problem of you know the people who are prone to get defensive about racism reduce it to the level of individuals with ill intent engaging in deliberate acts. It's to other individuals and are hesitant to ascribe you know are hesitant to label broader structural disparities racism because they can't identify individual intent and when talk about like hey okay literally. The only thing we changed on this resume where the names at this particular outcome happened differently. You can understand that is the the result of a series of individual decision and therefore can assume that lake racist intent or otherwise there was a racism being done and convince a you know what i accept except broadly there is a problem here. This is going to get trickier when you then try to reduce it back to to the firm level rate which i think may be why some of these earlier studies. We're thinking about things at the market level because at the firm level you can start arguing. Will this firm office this particular rationale. Where do i think two things that are that are important here. Beyond the <hes> the math right one is i have come to think that in the high minded intellectual dialogue about race in america that like baseline discriminatory behavior has become under rated that we saw many other than the take verse has spilled like millions of pixels about at the leg deep historical and institutional legacies of slavery and this or that but like a major problem is if you face just like present day in the moment employment discrimination that drives a lot of gaps in income and wealth and other outcomes right. That's quite quite bad quite quite serious problem that is not as interesting as like big airy thoughts but like is a is a big deal. The other is that when you have a discrimination which is concentrated then certain kinds of things can help solve it that don't directly tackle the problem right e- this you can see this as as aligned with a lot of the minimum wage literature other things that show that the employment market is not fully competitive and that's a reason why discriminators are able to get away with continuing to discriminate without handicapping their businesses terribly right or you think about general labor market dynamics when you are at closer to a full employment economy it is very very costly costly to accompany to not just hire the best people but we haven't had that for most of the past twenty years right so sort of a lack of antitrust enforcement lack lack of sound monetary policy these all create the dynamics in which these kind of sharply discriminatory patterns can continue to exist a lot of ah economists convinced themselves back. Thanks to gary becker back in the sixty. S that they're sort of couldn't be intense. Discrimination been happening because market competition would cause discriminatory firms to fail. This is basically the argument i get occasionally from right leading libertarians about about the civil rights act that essentially that the market would have forced companies that refuse to serve black americans or interracial couples also to integrate virtue but which i think it is not true whatever but this is why it's wife statistical findings that there are seriously furiously discriminatory firms out there the play with that model and resilient because yes telling us that the market is not thought that competitive because like the libertarians are correct that if you assume alike friction 'less idealized market that would happen right that consistently insistently failing to make objective hiring choices would cause you to go out of business <hes> but it does it right and that relates to a whole a bunch of other economic policy things where there's you know like real remedies right and remedies that speak to <hes> a lot of different kinds of problems that that arise when you don't have competition for jobs and you don't have good employment prospects for people more generally so like all in all. I think this idea that like a large minority of people are just very racist and are discriminating in their hiring choices. It's like it sounds kind of banal compared to like cutting edge race theory but it appears to be true and i think is a big deal. I agree but if you don't agree you could yell about it in the facebook weeds group yell at us <hes> recommend our podcast to friends family without distinction or discrimination preferably family and e._e._o._c. auditor. We're gonna we're gonna audit you. All you know economic theory econometrics experts who can the math for his don't save save us bad okay. Thanks guys. Thanks as always to our producer. Jeffrey killed in the war. Turn in a hey everyone. This is kara laura swisher editor at large of recode scott galloway professor of marketing n._y._u. Stern school of business and we want to tell you about hit our weekly podcast that's right makara. 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