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1A Across America: Kansas Governor Laura Kelly
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Now, she faces a legislature where Republicans hold super majorities in both chambers. Some GOP lawmakers have said she has no mandate to govern because she won with less than half the vote. So what does it take to pass laws and fulfill campaign promises with some strong political headwinds joining us from Kansas public radio to discuss it is governor Laura Kelly governor, welcome to one A. Thanks so much. Casual so your victory required, the support of moderate Republican voters, and I think that's one of the reasons why people around the country are looking at you to figure out how you did it. So how'd you do it? Well, you're right. I did have the pleasure of much moderate Republican support throughout the campaign, including a to former Republican governors Bill graves and Mike Hayden and two former Republican US senators, Sheila Frahm, and Nancy Kassebaum who all came out in endorsed Mike campaign that was incredibly important. I think it sent a huge signal to Republicans all across the state that I was somebody they trust somebody work with. And I was somebody who shared their values taking that now into the governor's office. You probably know that I was a state Senator for fourteen years. I was re I always represented a very Republican. In district over the time that I was in the Senate. He actually was a math major. When I went into college is clear to me. There were never going to be enough democratic votes to get anything done. I wanted to be effective. So I immediately went across the aisle established relationships in have maintained those since what do you think it was about you that earned you those key Republican endorsements over Chris Kobuk? Well, clearly, I represented I think what are what are the real Kansas values? You know, I value public education. I want to expand Medicaid, I want to invest in our infrastructure, roads, and broadband, and I pledged to undo the damage done to our foster care system over the past eight years, and I think those are the things that Kansas wanted. I also made it very clear through my actions by selecting my Lieutenant governor who had thirty years experience as Nagara cultural banker and by. Creating the office of rural prosperity that I was committed to representing all cans rural and urban tell us a little bit more about Kansas will have the pleasure of visiting Wichita later on this year for people who've never been what would you say is the one biggest thing that people think they know about Kansas? But they really don't they have no idea how common sense in how progressive Kansas really are. You know, if you look back in history, first of all we came into the country as stay as a Free State. You know, we were we were anti-slavery long before many others in. So I think that's something people don't know. We actually have a history of electing women to positions. In fact, the very first woman ever elected to any office in this country was the mayor of our Gonja, Kansas. So those are things I think people just don't remember or. Don't think about when they think about Kansas. I think partly partly that is because tickly for the last eight years. Most of what's come out of Kansas has not been good news. You know, we had the tax experiment that caused our state to crash, and you know, and then obviously we had crisco Bach in his voter suppression in an anti immigrant stances. And we also unfortunately, took some some action that was pretty negative regarding LGBTQ, we're starting to undo a lot of that. And get the real face of Kansas backout. I did want to ask you about some of that. But you mentioned that Kansas is very common sense kind of state is that what helped you build consensus between Democrats and moderate Republicans just taking a kind of a common sense approach. Common sense in collaboration. Think of all the barn. Raisings that happened in the state of Kansas as we were developing as a state, you know, that's how cannons operate. They worked together to for the common. Good. And I think that's the approach. I always took in the in the state Senate. I was the ranking minority on the budget committee. So I was in negotiations with Republicans regularly trying to put her our budget together budget is policy. So yeah, it was important for me to be able to find common ground one of the big critiques. I think of democratic politics nationwide is a focus on social issues that make some people kind of edgier uncomfortable, your first act as governor was to signed an executive order that reinstated protections for LGBT workers. It was something that your predecessor governor Sam Brownback eliminated back in twenty fifteen. How do social issues especially Forni ones, like LGBTQ rights and so forth affect? Your Bill your ability to create political consensus. Well, you know, they're they're really are think already is consensus on the LGBTQ issue. I think that governor Brownback went to the extreme, you know, if you had come to Kansas maybe fifteen years ago when we were more there. I can remember the very first vote that I took in the state Senate was the question of pudding, basically a discriminatory clause in our constitution, banning gay marriage. I voted no on that. Then it did pass. But but since then, you know, Kansas have really evolved from that position. And I think they understand the LGBTQ issues better. But they also understand that you cannot have a state you cannot attract young people. You can't keep your young people here if we have really regressive policies like that in place. We're speaking to governor Laura. Kelly democrat from Kansas about building political consensus in Kansas. I did want to ask you about something that one of your predecessors Kathleen civilias, did she left office in two thousand nine to become secretary of health and human services under President Obama and oversaw the rollout of the Affordable Care Act, aka ObamaCare. Now, expanding Medicaid was a signature issue for your campaign. What made you decide to put that out as a signature issue? Was that something that former secretary Sibelius talked you talk to you about or touchy you into or advise you on. No, I actually came to that conclusion all by myself and for variety of reasons one I think it's a moral imperative. I think I think Hanson's all Americans have a right to access to affordable healthcare, so just sort of moral imperative of but then also an economic one over the past five. Six years Kansas have left over three billion dollars in Washington. DC to be distributed to other states for them to take care of their citizens. But also for them to grow their economy. You know, we have enough studies done now from other states that expanded Medicaid to know that it has a huge economic impact on their states. They're they're creating thousands of new jobs, and they're they're growing their economies. So for both moral and fiscal reasons, it's something we have to do. Now. There are some Republican lawmakers who opposed expanding Medicaid because they say it will cost the state too much. Here's a quick clip of state Senate president Susan Waigel giving her response to your state of the state address back in January governor Kelley has proposed expanding Medicaid under a broken ObamaCare system while many cans are already suffering from skyrocketing premiums in the individual marketplace. In fact insurance. Premiums have increased by over two hundred percent since ObamaCare was implemented. That state Senate president Susan Waigel giving her response to the state of the state address from January one of our listeners tweeted a question to you governor with regards to that charisma kings like Susan wiggle asks if you can expand Medicaid without making severe cuts to other programs governor, the answer is yes, actually the budget that I presented this year. Did exactly that and more. You know, the the budget. I put forward was balanced structurally bounced for the first time in a longtime where we're actually bringing in more revenue than we were spending. It it funded our schools as requested by the courts it offered Medicaid expansion it enhanced resources for foster care system. And it it reduced our transfers that we've been take. From our highway fund which we've been using as a Bank for several years. So we did all of that leaving also the largest ending balance in twenty years here in the state of Kansas. So the answer's absolutely yes. It can be done. And I did it in my budget. Cindy asked on our website, the one eight dot org. How can your Bill for Medicaid expansion pass? When Senate president Susan Waigel has promised to block you in any way. She can well the legislature actually passed a Medicaid expansion two years ago. Then governor Brownback of vetoed it at that time. They used a procedural method. We call it commonly here gotten go where there's a Bill on the floor being debated. It's germane to Medicaid expansion. The contents of of that Bill are stripped out the contents of the Medicaid expansion. Bill are inserted a and then the vote was taken that. Exact same thing happened. Again this year already in the house. It's over in the Senate now, and I'm I'm expecting fully that if Senate leadership will not allow the usual process to work that my very bright colleagues in the Senate will figure out a way to get this done because people want it not just legislators but Evans seven percent of cans want, Medicaid, expansion much more to discuss in just a moment with Kansas governor, Laura Kelly, I'm Joshua Johnson. And you're listening to one A from W AMU and NPR. This message comes from NPR sponsor NCR. Let's face it as a small business owner you wear so many hats every day, you really have time to focus on activities that drive profitability or bring in new customers. That's why you need a point of sale that does more NCR silver delivers simple to understand analysis and business building tools like Email marketing and loyalty, so you can get back to focusing on your customers NCR, silver, search NCR silver. This is one A. I'm Joshua Johnson. We are discussing consensus building with Kansas governor, Laura Kelly and considering ways to succeed when there are people actively pursuing your political failures or difficulties with some questions about the work between a democratic governor Andy largely Republican legislature now governor Kelley, you issued your first veto this week as I understand it on a Bill that was estimated to cut state taxes by a half billion dollars. Over three years in your veto message. He wrote, quote, the tax Bill would have created another self-inflicted budget crisis, unquote. And you put self inflicted budget crisis in quotes, I assume you're referring to what came to be known as the Kansas experiment under your predecessor, governor Brownback. That's exactly what I always heard ferring to you know, in twenty twelve and then again at twenty thirteen the Kansas legislature voted for radical tax cuts in the very first year alone. Revenues plummeted by seven hundred million dollars. That's more than we lost during the entire great recession. So the impact was deep, and it was swift. If we were to let the tax cuts that have been proposed go through this year. We would take an immediate you turn, you know, in in two thousand seventeen by the way, a bipartisan coalition of legislators came. Together and be in essentially repealed, the Brownback tax experiment, if we were to impose tax cuts again right now, we take an immediate u-turn. And we would we would fall off the cliff as we did that because, you know, at least in two thousand twelve twenty thirteen when those tax cuts came to be we were able to fill some of the gaps between revenue and expenses using you know, various pots of money around the state, particularly our department of transportation our pension system, a pool money investment account there there were different kinds of things or things that could be eliminated. We we eliminated the Kansas bioscience authority that freed up fifty million dollars. And we use that just to plug holes. We did all of those things and bought time before there was just no more to do. And that's why we reversed. In two thousand seventeen if we make cuts now, we don't have any cushion, you we will. It'll just be a cutting our schools, cutting our roads, devastating our foster care system even worse and on and on. So we cannot go down there. I wonder about the impact though of this veto. I mean, you know, politics is the art of the compromise. You know us import the Republican tax cut. They support your plan for Medicaid expansion and so forth. But now that she vetoed this Bill. I wonder if you concerned about it raising the possibility that they wouldn't support your Bill that they would try to stonewall at our block it or override it. Actually. I don't think it will change that dynamics much because I think they knew full well that I would veto this Bill. I have offered that if they can come up with tax cuts that are basically revenue neutral. I'd be glad to take a look at those. I have also consistently said throughout the campaign throughout the short time. I've been in office that. That you just now is just not the time for tax cuts year. We still don't know the full ramifications of the action the Kansas legislature took in twenty seventeen combined with the congressional action last year on tax cuts. So we we really do have to let the dust settle even the people who promoting techs that here in Kansas this year will we'll say when they've said on record that we don't know the full impact of the federal action, we need to wait. We should know after a full year's gone by a have a better idea of what our bottom line will be that will happen sometime this summer, and I have pledged that I will at that point. You know, take a comprehensive look at our tax structure and see what we can do to modify it. So that we move it back to a more sustainable structure. I want to talk a bit more about some of your signature issues, particularly as it relates to funding for education, but lemme Zuma. Out a little bit and ask some questions about more. The the general national political perspective Rebecca is a listener from Kansas. And Rebecca tweeted Kansas is viewed as being backwards and not progressive yet. We've elected three female governors. Why aren't female governors more common? Twenty states have never had one. Why haven't blue states like New York, California or Illinois Governor, that's a very good question. And I really I really can't answer it. I. I don't know if women haven't stepped forward in those states, or if there is a a party structure in place that has prevented them from a breaking a glass ceiling. I honestly can't answer it. But I can tell you that not only has Kansas head three female governors. They've been three Irish Catholic democrat governors. I think if you look at New York though, you haven't had female governor, but you've had several female US senators. I think that that may be part of it is that the the the talent has gone more for the Senate versus running for governor. I think we can look this year at the myriad of candidates for president on the democrat side. And there are just a slew of women. So they're out there. The just not necessarily getting the training wheels in the governor's office. Let me get to a voicemail from a listener, Mike in Wichita left, this inter inbox Republican regime seems to be committed to stifle everything that Laura Kelly is trying to implement so not quite sure what the answer is to that. But I hope that she'll stick to it. And maybe thinking about doing something like a fireside chat type saying with the public in Kansas where she brings her messages directly to the people and encourages them to act Mike, thanks for the question. I wonder governor Kelley if you have considered anything more like a kind of fireside chat going directly to the people maybe doing something more like what President Trump has been doing and working more on Twitter or social media or other means to kind of work around any Republican stonewalling. Well, actually, we have just this past Saturday. I had my first townhall meeting over in. Johnson county we had over four hundred people in the auditorium of for that town hall, and then many more of watching it Facebook live. So we've done that. And then every week I also tape what we call cans into Kansan. It is where I stand before the camera and talked to Kansas usually giving them a little bit more in depth. Look at some of the issues, whether it's Medicaid expansion the budget taxes foster care, so we we are taking that approach. We've got a Twitter account. We've got a Facebook account got an Instagram account. So we're we're out there. And I encourage your listeners to search for those in like and we'll we'll keep communicating. One more national political issue. One of the ask you before we get to school funding. We're obviously heading into another presidential election cycle and many democratic candidates have been calling for a few. Things one abolishing the electoral college, and to supporting laws were states would allocate their electoral votes to whoever wins the popular vote. What do you make of those two ideas? Well, I think we really do have to take a very close look at the electoral college, would you have elections in twenty sixteen wasn't the first time where the candidate who got fewer votes actually ended up in the office. So I think I think we just need to take a look that structure. It's it's not producing the results that is I think was meant to so I would suggest that would you support abolishing the electoral college. I believe that. I would you know, I have not studied the issue enough to to give you a firm answer on that. But my gut says that we've got to find a different way because people's votes are just not being counted the way that it's working now you had three million people who voted for him. Hillary Clinton and their votes were not counted. And what about allocating electoral votes to whoever wins the popular vote? Well. I'm not sure I understand the difference between a the electoral college and allocating the popular vote. Well, I guess the difference at least in the minds of its supporters would be that it would make the national popular vote. The final determinate that whoever wins just in terms of that fifty percent, plus one or wins a plurality of the vote though states would say that's who were going to throw our support behind as opposed to. Okay. Yeah. So you kind of allow whoever wins the national popular vote. The state was okay. Wherever that person is you automatically get our electoral votes, kind of an end run around the electoral college. Well, I think it'd be easier just go after the electoral college to just change that constitutionally I do. Yeah. Do you think do you see anyone who might be for lack of a better term kind of a standard bearer for that someone who who you think might be good at leading that charge? I think there are a number of people who have picked up that standard. And I think it's going to come from grassroots more than it's gonna come from one person at the top. Let me ask you a little bit more about some political issues in Kansas, particularly education funding. Now, there are some school districts who have sued the state of Kansas for insufficiently funding K twelve education. The Kansas supreme court has ordered the state to increase school spending paint me a picture of what's going on from your perspective with education in Kansas. If I walked into a classroom with you. What would I see what what I encounter that? Would let me know there's a problem. Well, I think if you had walked into a classroom a year or two ago one it might not have been occupied a because we had schools closing down early because of lack of funding. We rectified much of that over the past couple of years in twenty seventeen we infused about three hundred million dollars and then last year. A little over five hundred million dollars a back into our school system after years of cuts under the Brownback administration that that made a difference. It also responded to the court order the courts came back and said good job. Not quite good enough. You need to account for inflation over these past two school years. So the Bill that I presented to the legislature. And that the Senate has passed a did exactly that we we dealt with the inflation factor, and it's a clean Bill and a hope we can get through the house and onto the court. We actually have in April fifteenth deadline to present the case back to the court, and is that Bill mostly focused on hiring teachers raising pay buying textbooks. Reopening schools, where's the focus or is it a little bit of everything. Well, we have we have one state board of education elected officials there, and they. Had the purview to get down into the nitty gritty like that. Then we have lots of local school boards. So what the state does is the state just appropriate the money, and there are some caveats about how it can be spent a, but basically the policy in the direction of that will go back to the school boards. Now, there are a couple of different pieces of legislation in Kansas that would increase education spending, a number of states or dealing with this. Now, what are you learning as governor about how to go about increasing state education funding? Well, I'm not learning much that I didn't already know, you know, it's just a matter of the state of pulling its own weight making its fair share of the contribution. And then that will be combined on a local level with local property taxes that communities themselves school districts themselves the patrons of that decide to Levy upon themselves. So it's just our job to make our fair. Share you make it sound so easy. A lot of other states. They would say, oh is that all it takes. Well, that's all you make. Well, you make actually I think part of that is because Kansas been battling school finance for for decades and believe it was some time, you know, thirty years ago when a there was a huge court case in in a a finance formula was developed at that point that really a recognized of courts expectations both in terms of the adequacy of the funding. But also, the equity, you know, so that we were funding you are rural school districts or poor school districts. You know, still could provide adequate educations under that formula. I think a lot of other states haven't gotten there yet. And that that creates a problem. So if we fund our formula, we're in pretty good shape. That's why I can make it sound so easy or you able to increase spending on health care on education without raising taxes and without cutting programs. I did that all in my budget this year, you know, when when I. Described the budget to earlier leaving the largest ending balance in twenty years. I did that all without a tax increase. Let me ask you something else about just kind of the nature of politics and Kansas. There's seems to be kind of a progressive shift happening to some extent. Besides your victory. Cherise David's flipped a Republican congressional seat. Blue four Republican state lawmakers switched and became Democrats back in December. Why change? Well. I think if you look, you know, that's that's really pretty geographically centered. In in the Johnson county, our border county with Missouri, Kansas City, Missouri and Johnson county really is a call it just a bedroom community because it's it's far more than that. But it is where people who work in the Kansas City metro area often choose to live in it's because of the school districts. You know that is the number one issue for for people in Johnson county. And so when when they're legislators started voting against public schools, they rose up in twenty sixteen they they really swept a lot of those folks right out of the legislature. And then unfortunately in twenty eighteen people at their guard down a little bit. And some of the moderates who were elected sixteen were or taken out of the legislature? So, but I think you can see that in John's. But in Johnson county, though, what happened was that some of the moderate Republicans who were re elected opted to become or or were still in in the Senate opted to become Democrats because the Democrats just were more in line with their thinking, particularly when it came to things. Like public schools, but I also also say on some of the social issues, particularly on QB Q issues, which are important in our in our border communities because of the ability to attract business and workers. So with cherise David's, I think I think cherise just was the answer to Johnson county dreams that she is smart, you know, very moderate thoughtful person who will work hard to get things done. But she's also an incredible listener, I think she really has her finger on the pulse of her district, which includes Johnson county and then to the north wind dot county, which which is very different from Johnson county. Governor Laura Kelly democrat from Kansas governor fix very much for talking to us. This has been my pleasure coming up what role will Kansas play in the twenty twenty presidential race. Does the Democrats stand? The chance will discuss that with correspondent from the Kansas City star. We'll get a national perspective and your perspective in a moment. Clip. It's a fear is Berg host of NPR's. Asking me another and this month were celebrating women comedy and this week from the Netflix series Russian doll were joined by co creator, Leslie Hedlund and actor grittily we challenge them to not one but two games about real nesting dolls and fashionable food trends, listen and subscribe now. Okay. Now that we've heard from the governor. Let's get a sense of how Kansas fits into the national political scene. Joining us here in studio is Brian Lowry. The Washington correspondent for the Kansas City star. Brian welcome to one A begging for heaven, anything you heard from governor Kelley that stood out to you. Well, think an I've known governor Kelley for a long time. I knew I was a reporter in Topeka when she was a state Senator. And she was as she as she mentioned in that interview. She was the ranking democrat on the budget committee. So I think what you heard there was she's a very serious person. She doesn't like to over promise. She's not she's not going into this thing thinking that it's going to be a cakewalk dealing with this Republican legislature. She she has a plan for how she can get those things past Medicaid expansion her school finance plan. But I think she also knows that she has to work with those moderate Republicans that she's looking for those allies across the aisle. L and she's not reading too much into her victory or cherise David's victory. As though Kansas is now a blue state. I think she's at Moshi might want to consider it purple. But even then I think it it Hughes read with regards to that one of our listeners. Thurston tweeted, would you say that Kansas is much more purple than the deep red that the coasts and the media often think of I would say Kansas is still largely read, but with some blue pockets indefinitely, some purple pockets of one thing as she brought up the Kansas City metropolitan area that's trending blue. And I think you saw that with cherise David's election. You saw that with how well governor Kelley performed in the Kansas City metro area and actually down across the ballot. Democrats won all of the statewide races in Johnson county, which Johnson county was traditionally a Republican leaning area. It was a suburban kind of country club Republican area. But. That is certainly starting to trend to a bit more democratic during the the Trump era. There was a real rejection of co Bach and Israel rejection of of of Kevin Yoder. So I would say that area is trending blue. Which is just it. You know, it buffers Missouri, which had a blue district, Missouri. You have some pockets of blue in Wichita and Pika, and certainly Lawrence Kansas, very blue. But overall, the state has is very read with regards to governor Kelley governing with the legislature. That is dominated by Republicans. There are eleven governors in this position right now President Obama was in this position during his final two years. I wonder what we learned from governor Kelley that might inform how those other eleven how those other governors might govern particularly because she strikes me as really content in her spaces a policy wonk as kind of a pragmatic policy thinker as opposed to a more ideological. Vision driven candidate. I mean in education funding, obviously, it it has dominated. Every Kansas legislative session that I've seen. I almost feels like it's dominated Kansas since the beginning of time education funding, I would say her plan on education funding was much more moderate than a lot of Democrats or even the school districts her base in the education advocacy, community it, I mean that it's it's worth noting that there were some Democrats who were against her plan because it didn't go far enough. But that was a way she was able to get Republican lawmakers on board. Also, the fact that she is in way the way that she is pursuing Medicaid expansion of going through the legislature is very key. There is some grayness here the Affordable Care Act gave governors the ability to unilaterally pursue Medicaid expansion. However during the Brownback years the legislature passed a Bill which governor Brownback signed into law requiring the governor to seek legislative approval. And she is adhering. To that. And she is trying to finalize in the legislature to do that, even as even as Republican leaders themselves are very much against that. Yeah. Why is that because there have been some more conservative states that have decided to expand Medicaid in their states? What's the hold up in Kansas? It's I think it's it's at this point. It's become a little bit of a wedge issue. It's I mean, it's, but one thing that's worth noting their rural hospitals in Kansas that have closed and those hospitals point to the failure to expand, Medicaid as one of the reasons, that's one reason why there is a groundswell. And I mean, she she leaned into that issue more. So than the the democratic candidate who had ran into fourteen who largely avoided it because you know, at that point ObamaCare was very kind of toxic political thing that she leaned into that as one of her key promises, but for for the Republicans who oppose it there the business. This community in Kansas is still. Is still against the the Kansas chamber of commerce and groups like that. And so it somewhat of a base issue. And so there are Republican lawmakers who their base wants them to vote against anything ObamaCare elated, and they're Democrats who obviously they want their politicians to go. Very hard for that. So it's really key. Moderate Republicans are the ones that are gonna make or break it. What about the debate over work requirements for Medicaid, the sense that if you if you benefit for Medicaid, you either need to be working seeking work or having some kind of community contribution to remain qualified? There was a ruling this week from federal judge that blocks Medicaid work requirements in Kentucky and Arkansas Kansas as I understand it does not have a work requirement. But one of its former governors Jeff Collier said he'd support one. What is your sense of say the cans and congressional delegation? What did they think about work requirement? I would say rhetorically in Kansas, the work requirement issue or or rather this issue of giving Medicaid to able bodied adults that has been a very powerful rhetorical comment against Medicaid expansion from Republicans at the state level as far as the congressional delegation. A one thing I'll point out to point out is the. Moran took as his guests to the state of the union, Kansas house majority leader, Dan Hawkins who has been the most outspoken opponent of Medicaid expansion in Kansas. And who who confirmed that he spoke with the Senator about that other than other than cherise? David's. I don't think you have any member of the the congressional delegation, speaking out with with governor Kelley on this. She obviously congresswoman David supports a governor Kelley on this. She also talked about the so called Kansas experiment, governor Kelley did with very drastic tax cuts. I wonder if they are any lessons we can learn from that as it relates to her relationship with Republicans Republicans relationship to tax policy. It must've gotten really dire in Kansas for Republicans to say, let's raise taxes. Oh, it was. I mean, this was you got to understand that this was years. This was years of budget shortfall so too. To to give you to give you a picture of Asli in twenty twelve the legislature drastically cut taxes eliminated. Income tax for the owners of most businesses sharply reduce rates across the board. And it was promised that this was going to spur real economic growth that this wouldn't harm the state's fiscal outlook the week after Sam Brownback was reelected governor. It turns out the states facing a budget hole. That's when it's that's when that comes out when the the state's budget director announces we're facing a budget hole. So sharp cuts had to be made that session there had to be sales tax rates that Brownback had two signed into law himself just to keep the state of float couple months. Go by facing another budget hole, and that cycle repeated year after year after year until the point where you had majorities of in the legislature, which was a heavily Republican legislature. Override the governor override Brownback, obviously governor Kelley was part of that coalition, but I should note that the speaker of the Kansas house, the Dan Hawkins who I mentioned earlier who's now those guys voted to override Brownback because it was the only way to basically keep the lights on in the state, and it allowed governor Kelley to then enter office with a surplus, and that's actually been a really interesting dynamic. I actually had someone tweet tweeted me the sporting about Brownback in coal, you're leaving Kelly with a surplus. Well, that's not quite accurate. It is true. She came in with one, but it's partially because the legislature forced that to happen. Bobby emailed. How would the governor compares Sam Brownback tax cuts with the Trump tax cuts? Brian. What's your take? They are similar but not identical. A lot of the same thinkers, Stephen Moore. Obviously who's been in the news this week because the president plans to nominate him to the Federal Reserve. Had was influential in crafting both the Trump plan and the Brownback plan. The Trump cuts aren't quite as aggressive when it comes to these cutting taxes on business owners. But overall, I think there are a lot of similarities in the philosophy. And that's one thing we saw over and over again is Democrats were winning to Kansas as a as a warning sign to Washington and say, look, this is what happened when we try the supply-side economics. Remember being at a town hall where Claire mccaskill was crossed the river from Kansas since they look over there like we don't want that to happen. I wonder what she thought of her answer about the electoral college Joshua wrote on our Facebook page. I'm amazed at a governor of a flyover state, which support ending the electoral college Kansas will not fit into the national scene. When it does not have a vote in the presidential election, Kansas has six electoral votes right now. So it would still have that piece of its say. But what do you make of the governor's answer about the electoral college? I actually I'm not surprised with it. I think it's what I would say is there are a lot of cans into who feel who feel disenfranchised by the electoral college, even though obviously the electoral college gives more weight to small states overall votes. If you are say, a democrat who lives in Kansas who lives in one of those bluer pockets, you might feel like your vote doesn't matter because you're in such a state that is a Republican even if you live in a district that has democratic leaning your vote doesn't doesn't end up being counted at the national level. So if you can think about the Kansas City area where you have the border between Missouri, and Kansas cut through you have a pretty democratic area to congressional districts that went for Hillary Clinton in the last election, but are both in states that went by double digits to Trump. So I can think for voters in those areas they'd like to see it. I mean, I can I can understand why why she said that I would also say Kansas doesn't get a lot of attention right now. Come the general. Action. It's it's pretty well. Assumed that it's going to go Republican democrat hasn't won it since Lyndon Johnson. And so right now, you're not seeing candidates come to Kansas and the general election. You do see candidates come to Kansas during the Caucasus which happened. You know, not not immediately do happen fairly early in the year end, Ken matter. That's when we see candidates come to Kansas, but the general it's pretty much written off Allison wrote on our Facebook page. I was so happy to hear governor Kelley discussed the importance of progressive ideals, keeping young people in Kansas and attracting young people to move to Kansas. Maybe if I'd had someone like her to look up to as a young eighteen year old woman. I may have stayed in Kansas, Brian. I also wanted to ask you about Senator Pat Roberts of Kansas. He announced that he will not run for re election next year. What's our sense of how that might go? I mean secretary of state Mike Pompeo has been kind of floated some say that he has a good chance of winning. If he were to run, but he says he has no intention of running right now. What does that look like it's going to be crowded field? Obviously there has been a very public effort to recruit Pompeo. And if if he does change his mind, I would expect most Republicans to get out of the way. But if he doesn't it's going to be a very crowded field Senate present Susan Wagle who was mentioned by governor Kelley in your show. She's exploring a run the state treasures are running. I joked with congressman Ron ESTES yesterday that he was the only Republican in Kansas who didn't seem to want to run for the seat. And he assured me that well he didn't want to run he could have if he wanted to. So you should expect a very crowded Republican field. I wouldn't expect Democrats to take the race seriously unless you have someone like a Chris co Bach who is a divisive figure emerges Republican front runner. Democrats are kind of watching this race with a little bit of interest. If there is a device. Of candidate who seems to be gaining steam with the Republicans. You could see them actually make an effort to make this a competitive race. There's a it's been be an uphill battle. Because a democrat hasn't won a Senate seat in Kansas since nineteen thirty two, and we should be clear, by the way, Mike Pompeo used to be a congressman representing district in Kansas for three terms. Michael emailed, the expansion of Medicare is contentious because federal government funding of the programme phases out and the Bill for services becomes the responsibility of the state. I wonder how you see the governor's argument in Kansas as compared to some of the other arguments about why Medicaid expansion is still worth doing. So I think what the governor is is looking at is. You know, she's she's trying to make this into an economic argument. If you saw that she and that's been a the kind of consistent democratic refrain, which is this is federal money that can be coming into Kansas that we're passing up every year. And so I think it's you know, she is trying to make this as a kind of this as an argument that makes fiscal sense for the state. I think anticipating criticism like that. Liz tweeted as a lifelong Oklahoman, it's refreshing to hear how our neighbors are addressing Medicaid expansion and education hope Oklahoma can learn what bipartisan means with regards to the presidential election cycle before. I let you go. There are more than a dozen Democrats in the race. There could be two dozen by the time the show is over the big keeps getting bigger and bigger, and they're appealing to the base by pushing ideas like abolishing the electoral college, the green new deal packing. The supreme court. How does that affect democrat? Like, Laura Kelly who. Got a govern in a largely conservative state before we go. I I think that could put pressure on someone someone like lower Kelly, obviously, I think, you know, she she took a interesting stance when it came to the Lectoure college, but things like packing, the supreme court that probably would not fly very well in in Kansas where you have a lot of people who are conservative who who would get their antennas up. If you start talking seriously about that, you know, I think thinking back to what her role is in the presidential election. She someone who's being seen as a model for defeating Trumpism because she she defeated a candidate who had very close ties to Trump Trump came and campaigned for and she approached it with a very kind of moderate centrist message. So the people who are pushing the who are pushing the Democratic Party in that election. I think are looking to her as an example of how to proceed with this election, Brian Lowery, Washington. Correspondent for the Kansas City star. Brian thanks for talking to us. 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0140: The Politics of Kansas (10/15/2018)
"Hi, this is teddy today's episode about Kansas. Your subjects about kids. Capital of kids is to Pika in the largest cities. Wichita kids. This is ranked thirty fifth by population with just under three million people, the governor of Kansas Republican, Jeff Collier who recently lost a primary election in his reelection bid. The senators are Republicans, Pat Roberts, Jerry Moran, Kansas sense. Four representatives to US house of representatives all Republicans by y'all. Are you. Hi everyone. This is Kelly with two broad talking politics, and today we are talking about the politics of Kansas. So with me to do an overview segment is Vicky Hyatt, who is the vice chair of the Kansas Democratic Party. Hi, Vicki. Hi Kelly. Thank you for having me today. Yes, thanks so much for joining me, and I'm so glad that somebody's interested in Kansas. We're just a fly over state and some place to make fun of. So it's nice that somebody might be interested in. Otherwise, we're very interested in Kansas in so listeners. You could go back and check out. We have talked to cherise, David's who's running in the third district and Brian mcclendon who's running for secretary of state. And then leader in this episode will have Laura Kelly who's running for governor and Laura Smith over at who's running the state legislature. That's one of the greatest things about this year is we have some incredible candidates, and I think that's kind of the sign of the times that we've been as a state party. We've been actively work. Working for the well since twenty sixteen to make sure that we would get good candidates up for this year. 'cause we know you know, everybody knew it was going to be an important year so and we've had incredible people step up so is looking looking good, you know, on paper, Kansas looks like a fairly Republican state at this point, Republican governor, and senators and congressional delegation and state house and state Senate. But it it looks like some of that could change this year. Yes. And we are working really hard to make that change. We did have out of the country really in twenty sixteen. We were one of the states that did flip more date legislative seats for the house. And we we did pick up one Senate seat. So I picked up thirteen and most, you know, throughout the country that just wasn't happening. So people started taking notice of Kansas and going well what happened here. But you know what happened here was Sam Brownback and the extremist red group had that had come in Kansas has been a fairly moderate. Even though we've been Republican, it's still been fairly centrist moderate state and when Sam Brownback and he flushed out all of the moderates from the legislature, that kind of people took notice. And we said, we've got to have some change. And so of course, the Democrats or the w-. Wants to step up and bring it back to the center, and that's what we've been working on listeners. La- here later in the Sepah sewed Laura Kelly who's running for governor and and has a very good chance of winning that race and it. It also looks like two of so Kansas has four US house seats, and it looks like two of those have a good chance of flipping. Yes, we district did go for Hillary Clinton, not by a large margin, but it it did and we had a great vigorous primary this year had about five. I think five candidates run in the primary which got a lot of enthusiasm out. A lot of Democrats took notice and came out to vote, and now that enthusiasm is carried over with our candidate Cherie statements, and she's got a great following the enthusiasm, just not seeing this kind of activism and energy in this third district. For while. So that's pretty exciting. And then Paul Davis who ran for governor in twenty fourteen so has some statewide, you know, recognition and also did well in the second congressional district when he ran for governor is now running in that for that seat and has a very, very good chance. I mean, he's extremely qualified. He is working that really hard and is the state Cardi. We've been able to really kind of help out and get organizers throughout that district, and lots of good ground were going on there to get the grassroots going. You mentioned the grassroots energy. Can you talk a little bit about what that looks like sort of all over the state? Are you seeing people that weren't interested in politics before who are more interested in organizing voting this year? Yes, we are. And part of our goal has been to get district offices set up so that people have a place to go so many well district, if you look at the map, we're just because it's the population center, one of the main population centres. It's just so small geographically compared to the first district, which is all pretty much all of western Kansas. So it's hard for Democrats to really find geographically, you know, other Democrats that they can connect with, but we've been working hard to get some some things going on in the grassroots out in western Kansas. We have an office in Hayes. We've been working with three counties that are working together in out just east of Colby in a place called Joaquin, Kansas. And I've been there a few times, but people are fired up there they're coming. They're meeting they're getting together. They're learning what it's going to take to reach out to voters. They're learning how to make the phone. Calls and learning how to go door to door. It's a little harder out in the western part, but they're, they're realizing how important it is to reach out to other Democrats into unaffiliated to make sure that we get these people out to vote. And that's just going on tremendously. Here. I live in Johnston county, which is in the Kansas City metropolitan area and the the the activity here is amazing. When we go into the office, there's just people there all the time phone banking or coming in for signs coming into get list to go out and canvass. It's amazing. It's really exciting, Kansas sitting tends to be maybe slightly older population, but what does the the youth vote? The youth energy looked like this year. Have been another one of our targets and we have organizers on the main campuses around the state. So k. u. k. state Ford, hey, state down in Pittsburgh. And so we have those organizers who are actively daily going out to get, make sure they get people registered to vote. And I was over at a KU event just about a week or so ago is a training session, and it was great to see the young people coming and learning what they need to do to get out and get to the voters, and then taking those lists and going out and knocking on doors. So you know, not only are they working on the campus to talk to people, but they're willing to go out into the communities around the campuses to and and make sure voters get out. So I'm very hopeful. What are some of the issues that you think voters are really concerned with the year because of the dire straits. I think that the Brownback administration put us in by cutting taxes and cutting revenue flow. We're still dealing with making sure we can fund our public education. So that's still a big one. Whether it's in the the suburbs or whether it's out in, you know, smaller rural areas, everyone's worried about making sure school stay open. But the other critical thing is Medicaid expansion, and we just recently had a hospital close in fort Scott, Kansas. So these, some of these more rural hospitals are not able to stay open and serve the those, those smaller communities. Because many of them do rely on, you know, the Medicaid services. So that's pretty important. I think that that's a big issue, those two things and then probably just make. Sure that we get back to a more stable revenue plan. That's fair for people might think that once it came out that there were actually businesses that weren't having to pay any taxes, people weren't very happy with that. So it's just about, it's about, you know, I think people realize we have to pay taxes, that's that's the way the state makes their money and then. But you know, Brownback went from a system of of having three sources of revenue with the income sales and property. He wanted to get rid of the income tax. But yeah, that just cut too sharply into the revenue and costs us in in keeping our roads up and keeping our schools funded and a lot of services. So. So those are some big issues. And then I think also just mental health services, making sure that we're providing for some of our neediest in the state. There's been some real problems with people being able to access services through through Medicaid. And then also some of our hospitals have had to close. I mean, just the the mental facilities people are really starting to see what happens when you cut so sharply. Cut back on the revenue. Is there any concern about of voter, registration, and voter rolls being updated and things like that? I know that people may know of crisco buck as the co chair of this voter, integrity, quote, unquote committee. And of course he is currently the secretary of state and is running for governor. And so you know, I don't know if there's any concerns about overly restrictive voter registration laws or anything like that. Big cred Sern. Yeah, we've had this concern about Kobe for years when he has. You know, specifically targeted with this voter ID law, you know, in in which is just made it so difficult for, you know, people who don't have the means maybe to track down their birth certificate and and find all the things that you had to had to have to get his no proof of citizenship kind of thing. And it was in, it's been harmful to women who maybe have been married and divorced and and have to track through and you know, pay for the extra documents because you know, you have to show that you were divorced and married and all of those things. And that gets really costly. And if you've not been in the state all of your life, then you've got to go to other states to get that. So this definitely has been a big deal. That's gone. That's been a problem here in Kansas because co back started here first before he started taking it around the country. And fortunately he keeps losing though every time he's challenged. So a lot of the his, his policies have been taken to court and he hasn't done well with that, but it's still hard. I mean, there were there were buses of people who were just completely left off in suspension what they called it the last election. So we've had to fight for that and a big one is, and I'm so glad that Brian mcclendon is running for secretary of state because I think you'll really clean up. Some of this is just the inconsistencies throughout the state in who can who gets to count some of these. These ballots the provisional ballots you know, at the at the polling places in different counties count for different reasons. And I think there's still some suspicion this to how what happened in Johnson county when Kobe came out winning the primary. Because he had his hand pretty heavily in that that deal too. So, yeah, there's a lot of concern that we've got a secretary state who's running for governor and basically has a Hugh is not going to recuse himself from or even if he recused himself. He's got pretty much all of his cronies and they're working within. So it's it's scary, but but I think that we're gonna you know, I know is a state party we've been doing as much as we can to make sure that we have, you know somebody kind of watching that and voter protection people in to look and see what's going on. But we'll, we'll see. But that's a concern definitely. Anything else that you want to make sure that people know about Kansas as far as Kansas politics? I think that I think that people need to understand that we're probably more purple throughout the years even 'cause we've gone through even since the sixties is pretty much alternated from Republican to democrat Republican democrat in our governors positions, and we really are more centrists. And I think that we really are more common sense than what some of the things that we saw come out of the Brownback administration. And one of the things I hear people wanting to say wanting to see happen is that we want to bring people. We went to bring the image of Kansas back to being something of that people aren't mocking and making fun of. We've been in the news to law too many times in the past eight years or so, you know where people are just making fun of Kansas and and the people here good people. We're commonsense people and I hope that that we can bring it. Back to the center more and show that we and I think that would be a trend for the whole country to see if we can, you know, bring it back and and get help people get along and work together better. Yeah, absolutely. I, I think it would be thrilling. If we see on election night, you know. Laura, Kelly, and Brian mcclendon winning statewide races in Kansas. I think that would be really ugly. Yeah, yeah, I think it would just it would knock the socks off of people all kinds of country. So we're working hard. I just I kinda wanna keep it. I don't want to get it out there too much like under the radar. So we could really make a big celebration at the. Not gonna let up that's for sure. Well, Vicky, thank you so much for speaking with me. I'm I'm really excited about Kansas this year. I think you know, Laura Kelly's races, one of the races I'm most excited about in the whole country. And of course cherise David's where we, we've been longtime cherise fans since basically since she announced that she was running so. Excellent. Yeah, I think that will be a huge statement for the country for us to have a woman native American to come out in in a Kansas congressional seat. That would be extremely great. Yes. So, but lots of energy for that. So we'll we're hopeful are right? We'll be keeping our eyes on Kansas on election night. Okay. Thank you so much. I'm here in this segment with Laura Kelly, who is the democratic nominee for governor of Kansas. I Laura, hey morning, how are you Kelly? Great. Thank you so much for joining me delighted to be here. So I wonder if you could start with just a little bit of background for listeners about who you are and in y, you're running for governor. Okay. Well, I am a thirty two year resident of the state of Kansas. I actually was born into a military family in New York. Spent a lot of my childhood moving around ended up in Denver met and married. My husband there when we had our first child, we really both wanted to establish some roots and thought long and hard about where that would be and sided to come to Kansas. And we did that because I mean, if you want routes, there's no better place than Kansas. There's just a real strong sense of community here. And plus we had actually world class. Public school system. And I one of my daughters to be able to take advantage of that and you have been serving in the state Senate? I have. I have my my career actually started in mental health world. I worked in psychiatric center for adolescence in New York, and then I worked in a at national Jewish hospital for respiratory immunities in Denver before coming to Kansas, where then I served eighteen years as executive director of the Kansas recreation park association representing all the public park, parking Merck agencies across the state and traveling to every corner. Every big town respond town of fourteen years ago I ran for and was elected to the state Senate took out an incumbent Republican and I have enjoyed reelection three more times in a heavily Republican district, sue. Why now are you running to be governor. You know, interestingly, for probably the same reason, I moved to Kansas in the same reason that I ran the first time for the state Senate, our public schools have been under attack. You know, Sam Brownback a former governor made the largest cuts to our public school system in our state history, and they have been decimated. We've got larger class sizes, sure. School years programs have been cut teachers playing the state. We're in a real crisis here and I'm running to fix the mess. All right. And you have been able to garner endorsements from around the state, not just from Democrats, but from Republicans to I have some some very high profile Republicans, including our former governor Bill graves and former US Senator Nancy Kassebaum. And I think that's because of for my entire career in state Senate, I have worked in a bipartisan manner to get. Public policy past, you know, I was actually a math major when I went to college, so I can count the most Democrats we've ever had in the Senate caucus have been ten, takes twenty one to pass a vote here. Moderate Republicans never had twenty one votes either. So we just worked together to get legislation passed that was in the best interest of our state. I think it's been that that style of interaction and also then my my grasp of the issues, my experience, my depth of knowledge about our state is what attracted those Republicans across over and support me. I think there's no doubt the fact that my opponent is Chris Kobuk who is best known as the nationally anyway, as the co chair of Donald Trump's voter, integrity commission along with the vice President, Mike Pence heads something to do with Republicans being very interested in in my becoming governor. It's definitely one of the things that interested me in the race. Besides education, what are some of the issues that are really facing Kansas right now and that really require these kind of bipartisan solutions? Well, I think that people know that in twenty twelve and then again in twenty thirteen Sam Brownback instituted in experiment here in the state of Kansas slashing, our income taxes dramatically. We went right over the cliff is soon as he did that and ever since our our state has really been in a world of hurt. You know, I mentioned the schools being devastated, but we have also stopped funding our infrastructure. You know, we used to have some of the best roads in the country. We've, we've stopped building and we've stopped maintaining and we've never expanded Medicaid. One of the one of I think only sixteen other states that didn't do that. So we've, we have just. Done, and I say, we, he, he just did so many things that have really decimated our state. You know it, broad and deep, the damage that's been done. And so we have a whole host of things that we have got to address. Fortunately, the people at Kansas recognize the disaster in twenty sixteen and elected a number of Democrats and a number of moderate Republicans enough so that we were able to overturn the Brownback tax experiment and put ourselves on the road to recovery. So we've seen revenues coming in over estimates for the last sixteen months. Don't know for out of the woods yet, but I do know that we have a lot of work to do ahead of us over the next few years to try to bring back our state so recent polls. And in fact, all of the polls that I've seen have put you in crisco box of neck and neck in this race. So what? What are these kind of final weeks of the. The campaign look like for you, what sorts of things are you doing to to try to reach the voters into to try to get to some of those undecideds that are still in the race? Well, we have a very vigorous media program going on. You know, we are up on the air in all three of our major media markets here in Kansas. I think that's imperative. That's how you reach the voters in a state, like Kansas that so big. And you know, we tend to lean a little older than most states and so using television to get the message out is imperative. But I'm also spending a whole lot of time on the ground meeting with groups all across the state to continue to push forward here. I think the endorsements that we have gotten been so numerous and so- abroad across the state from the moderate Republicans is really helping because it's it's sort of making up some minds of people who you know. They've been there lifelong Republicans. It's hard for them, you know, to to vote across the party line. But I think all the endorsements that have gotten have convinced them that this time when they need to do that. See you mentioned that your mother and the one of the reasons he moved to Kansas was for your daughters to to help get them into good school systems and have good routes. Can you talk a little bit about I, I'm a mother to as many of our listeners, and I'm interested in kind of what being a mother has has done for sort of shaping your political views in sort of how you think about campaigning and being an office? Well, I think there's there's absolutely no doubt that my my kids and their life experience been biggest motivator for me politically. I also worked with kids in my other life. You know, when I was in the mental health world and then at the hospital in Denver. So just focusing on kids and doing right by them has always been my lifelong mission, having my own just sort of magnified the importance of that, you know, and and having to go through all all the trials and tribulations. Of finding quality child care, you know, worrying about their health, all of those kinds of things, make me credibly, empathetic with other families going through those issues. And I think that really sets the course of for a lot of the policy that I have advocated for over the last fourteen years, you know, I probably know I've been champion for early childhood education. For instance. You know, I, my children were able to go to a a really wonderful preschool, and I saw what a difference it made when they got into kindergarten compared to other kids who had not had that experience. And I wanna make sure that all Kansas kids have access to that kind of experience that when they get to kindergarten ready to learn, it'll save us money as the state. They don't need to go into special education. You'll save us money money when they hit their wonder years and they don't go into a juvenile system. So I think having my own kids and knowing what it takes to. To raise them to be productive. You know, healthy citizens really does dictate a lot of what I think about in what I do as official. Yeah, I think having kids has put so much of what's going on in in politics. These is sort of really into stark relief that it it's not just about today. It's not just about this moment, but you know, what is what is the future going to going to bring in? What sort of legacy are we gonna leave? And I think that's really important. You know, I think too often, you know, politicians who don't think about the future, you know, but only think about the next election tend not to make the best decisions because they're looking at short term game versus long impact. A lot of Kansas, of course is still very rural. You talk a little bit about the the needs of the rural communities within Kansas and in what you'd like to see to to help those citizens. I'm very cognizant. Of the needs of our rural communities. We've actually already put together what we call our rural prosperity plan. That is very detailed and very doable, and it focuses on things of paramount importance to our rural communities, their healthcare system. You know, we have a number of rural hospitals that are on the brink of closure because we've not expanded Medicaid. We have a number of rural communities who don't have highway access, don't have four lane highways going into the area, making impossible for them to attract businesses or keep their own people. Their housing is a huge issue in our rural area. You know, even if they've got people who wanna live there, they don't have any place for them to live. So we have a lot of work to do with that. We've got a plan to address that, and I will be working with experts in that field along with our our rural communities, we'll partner and try to help them build upon their asset. It's so that they can continue to thrive or make some tough decisions. We're seeing a record number of women running for office this year, and you're one of a record number of women who've been nominated for governor positions throughout the country. Wait what you see as the importance of that as a woman who's been in elected office for a while. Now, what do you think is the importance of having women in leadership positions? And why is it important for positions governor and state legislature for those positions for there to be women in those positions? Well, I think diversity in leadership is important, and that would include gender diversity. I think that you know folks bring life experiences and different lenses to look at issues, and and I think women certainly do. I think women also have a different approach, perhaps to leadership and sort of getting things done. I can think of an. Sample here. Very recently in the Kansas legislature when it really was a bipartisan group of women of who you know, got together, and you know, were diligently to come to a compromise on the over the repeal of the Brownback tax experiment. For example, you know, everybody knew that we needed to do it, but nobody could bring it all together and come up with something that people could live with everybody could live with. So it was really this group of bipartisan women from both the Senate and the house who came together and with their charts and whatever else got input and came up with a plan that was eventually passed. And I think it was their willingness to collaborate to listen, you know, and and to compromise that made all the difference. Our listeners would like to help your campaign. How can they do that? The easiest way to do that would be to go onto my website. There is a donation link there or volunteer link. My website is Laura Kelly. It's Kelly with just one eighty k. l. o. y. four, Kansas. All spelled out dot com. Laura Kelly for Kansas dot com. And they can go there. They wanna help me out and I would very much appreciate anything anybody could do, you know. And I think actually you, this race really does have national implications because we're pretty sure that crisco buck has no intention of staying in the governor's office. He wants to use that as a springboard to the national stage and and take his voter suppression and his anti immigrant and all sorts of other unkind policies to the national level. So I hope folks around around the country will help me out. Yes, I hope so. Oh two. We spoke with a Brian mcclendon a couple months ago as well who's running. I I ca- Terry of state. Yeah. Yeah. And I, you know, we, we'd love to see him get in office as well and be able to sort of turn around elections and in putting in Kansas. Yeah, I'm looking forward to working with Brian, not only on the whole voter issue in our lection 's issue, but also, you know, our secretary of state's office. So also the business center. That's where all the business filings and whatnot are done, and he's got some great ideas about how to grow our entre neural world here in the state of Kansas. All right. Well, thank you so much for speaking with me. I'm very excited about your race, and I can't wait until you are governor of Kansas. In this segment, I am on with Laura Smith Everett who is running for the Kansas house of representatives into strict. Seventeen. Hi, Laura. I think which joining me thank you for having me. Yeah. Can you start by by telling us just a little bit about your background and why you're running for the Kansas house this year? Holy so person foremost, I'm mother three, and we have two children in public schools here, Kansas. And then we have a special needs child who is younger and he, he has taught us a lot about healthcare and about how to navigate worlds where you have to be an advocate until he receives special needs services here in town that we've had to really push for, but we know have an, it's showing great success. And I been married to amazing, man, I married up and we've been married for sixteen years and he was part of the decision making process on whether I should run. I really left it up to him knowing that there'd be a lot of burden on him. And he told me if he weeks after he turned forty, you know is we're halfway done with our lives. I haven't done anything and I wanted to something in it's important and you should run. And so he is really. Somebody that doesn't get a lot of attention and praise. But as part of the reason I'm able to do this. The other part of me that is informing why running is that I'm an educator then in Decatur for fifteen years, and I have chosen to always work in underprivileged schools usually outside of the community where I live because I had a really experiences and undergrad where we went to suburban schools in urban schools, and I just could not understand and I couldn't reconcile how in a community quite close to each other. There could be two different systems for children. So in the communities that I've worked, we have always had issues of immigration and poverty and health crises and mental health issues. In part of the reason that I'm running is through the experiences of my sons and my career. I realized that there are in tire sets of our society that. I can't advocate for themselves because they don't have the time or they don't have the resources or they don't know how to do that because society has been set up to marginalize them. And I feel it's really, really important at this juncture in Kansas where really in a fragile state of sort of recovering from an era led by Brownback that devastated our economy and really peoples belief in the state. And we have the opportunity to turn Kansas in the right direction and to be the state that we were once were of moderate governing. And I feel like I'm I candidate and would be a legislator that would bring those voices and perspectives to the state house that we really need. And we need to hear from so that we can guide our policies and legislate with those perspectives at night suit to me a little bit about the seventeen the district where abouts in Kansas as this. Yeah. So we are in my district straddle threes city, we go kind of the, we're the north western boundaries of Johnson county, which is the biggest and wealthiest county in Kansas. And so we straddle Quintero shawny and lenexa and our mound res run from flim at spelled p. a. l. u. m.. And we have we go over to four thirty five. So we're kind of a alone long, narrow rectangle. And is this in the third congressional district on? Is it with a okay? And so we've had cherise David's on the podcast before. So our listeners may be familiar with her and the incredible campaign that she's running. And so presumably that has some down ballot hopefully effects for you as well as people excited to vote for her also one of for you and also vice versa. Yeah. Yeah, I've been. I was on the early Cherie team and we had a really crowded primary by one of the reasons I was drawn to her is she really takes questions and sees them with nuance and answers in really often into quays, and that really resonates with me because that's kind of the way I do in my answer things. And I think about things. I try to answer. I try to see things from a lot of different perspectives centuries have been such an advocate for groups that we just haven't heard from in Kansas or nationally in are being told that their voices don't matter. So I've been really excited about her and really look forward to working with an excellent woman governor with Laura Kelly and being able to do some great stuff with. I'm really middle of the road, moderate democrat here in Kansas like Mara soup lit. What are you hearing from people as you talk to constituents? You know what sort of the the mood around your district in terms of what? What are the issues that people are concerned with and and what are they? How are they responding to your campaign? The issues that people brought up a helmet doorstep, and we've, we've talked about eight thousand doors. We hear a whole lot of people that start by talking about our Kansas public schools and in grave concern for them, even people who don't have children in schools anymore. And one woman in our district used. A line that I've been using ever since which was Kansas, doesn't have mountains or oceans, but we have great public schools, and that's what draws people to us. And people feel very strongly. It's palatable that we have mental core, Jim of who we are as Kansan 's, and they really want there's bad since of quiet, polite, midwest outrage, and that we need to get back to just the moderate people that we were extremism from any corner is no welcome him. People feel very exhausted by the ideological warfare. We've been drawn through in my district after that. The number one thing after we talk about public school, people go immediately to healthcare in our district. We are above the Kansas average. So more fluid more educated district than the rest of Kansas and people are a lot of them are. Healthcare professionals, and they've talked about it from both the personal standpoint, as well as the professional simply that we are a civilized society that had figured out the basic principles how how to care for one another when health is not always guaranteed and we should do better and we can to better so women, the issue that's come up and in regards to state policy is expanding Medicaid. We have not been successful in doing that. It passed in the last two years ago in the legislative session and that it was veto by Brownback and the veto was not able to be over ridden by just a few votes which was devastating for working families and Kansas who are often making minimum wage. And you know the cost of rent or mortgage and the cost of child care, and they're in a coverage gap. That means as soon as they get sick or anyone of their house done, they're looking at personal bankruptcy because they make. A little too much, but not enough to qualify for other things, and that's who we are as kipnes if you would allow me to tell a little story. Sure. My grandmother and grandfather moved in code l. Kansas for about fifteen years, and this is my father's parents. And my grandmother told me this story had win my grandfather who is a pastor and just finish with big tree modeling. He knew that the deacons, we're gonna fire him and he told his children, six children there that they would figure out a way, but they weren't gonna leave that town. They were committed to the people of that town. And so indeed they did fire him and for several months on the family really struggled to put food on the table for my father in Ling's and to make it by the story. My grandmother told was that time after time when they were at a point at what they thought was a crisis when would call and they your light Bill. Has been paid for the next month or my grandmother would come home from a little job that she had found, and there'd be a meal on the porch for the family and each time that they were out of of crisis. Their neighbors in community rallied around them and supported them until they get on. And they did eventually end all of my dad's the blinks speak of that time as a real story of the truth of who canes are we look out for one another. We take care of one another, and there's a lot of these said about getting back to those basic principles that people are really craving and love that. So I know a few weeks ago, I think you were talking about how you running for office has really affected your kids, and they've been asking really interesting questions in him to sing with. You wondered if you could talk a little bit about that. Yeah. So many children are eleven five and two and five, and they have such great questions. Like my daughter is. The oldest and she of course, is thinking about this and bigger global scale. So she got an argument with a boy on the block who said that. If I got elected, I could tell all the kids on the block that they'd have to come home at a certain time, and she's she's very, she's been trying to figure out how I in this job. This would be about passing laws, but that it doesn't mean just because I've passed the law that it would be put into place. I've talked to her about what the governor does and how the governor's role allows for the things to pass or can stop those things and you know, win the primaries were going on. They were so baffled, my five year old, you know, he, we kept using it. Home was teams. We had a red team in a blue team, and so there are a lot of neat people on each team and the best player would win in those would be the people that we would get to vote for in November. And so the kids are constantly my five year old was saying something the other night that I record. it just about my mommy one to all have school in no one should have to worry about going to school that is important because we all need to be very smart. You know, there were being this in their own ways, but what is really cool as a question that they're asking educator in me to give total delight from the questions that they're asking, big things that they're thinking about an understanding about their own democracy. My daughter is is I'm strong willed side and I know that she's going to do big things when she grows up and I can't wait to see how this part of our lives have will influence that in the direction she chooses to go. So it's been fun. I got, like I said, really supportive husband and parents that have done a lot of the background work, but I love to bring my kids with me and go do events and get to talk to people because sometimes they're perspective says more than what I could say. You know, I think it's important. I think it's important to. To have that because it kind of reminds you of like what's really important you know, from the perspective of a child is I- listeners would like to help support your campaign. How can they do that? Sure. Well, the biggest thing for challenge or like myself is money money allows me to send out mail or pay paid canvassers because I still work part time. Allow us to get more door knocking done while I'm at work. So we have a website and it's just name. It's WWW dot, Laura Smith Everett dot com. And that a u. r. a. s. in I t h easy ER ATT you can check out more about me there and we've got a donation link. You can also sign up there. He's subscribed to our website. We could get you plugged in after money. That big is thing is hands on volunteers that are willing to talk to voters really have four weeks left. And so we are trying to. To get back around to people that have talked to him the number and they were still fighting between myself and my challenge or or phone banking, people that we wanna make sure that they get to the polls and any volunteer that is willing to talk to voters. And I must say one of the best parts of doing this is been than at three instilled my belief in humanity. People are genuinely nice at the door and on the phone, they, they are these aggressive talking heads. We see on cable TV or two in our media World Social media world by they're, they're nice, and they wanna talk to somebody about how to get real change in their communities, and it's not as intimidating yet its own. So we'd love to take anyone. The always provide training and support, and we would really use it this last, we. All right, excellent. Move. Put a link to your website up on our website as well. So luridly Laura. Thank you so much for speaking with me listeners, we both have colds. So. It'll be a nice sultry like. But, but thank you so much as healthy for the next four weeks. And I'm really looking forward to your election and it's it's so exciting to have the triumvirate of you and Laura Kelly, and cherise, David's that people in your district and can vote for all three of you. It's a really exciting time. Definitely. Thank you so much for having me for constantly's burning the word about candidates like myself it so important. We really appreciate it. Thanks for listening to to broads talking. Politics are theme song is called, are you listening off of the album elephants shaped trees by the band immune ary, and we're using it with permission of the band, our logo and other original artwork is by Matthew Westlund and was created for use by this podcast.
NPR News: 03-28-2020 9PM ET
"Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Jeanine herbst in Rhode Island. The National Guard has started going door to door and coastal areas to let any New Yorkers who may have come to the state now that they have to self quarantine for fourteen days. The state's governor has issued a state at home order and ordered non-essential businesses to close until April fifteenth. Meanwhile president trump says he's changed his mind about issuing quarantine for New York City and parts of New Jersey and Connecticut in tweet night. Trump says that based on the recommendation of the White House Task Force and consultations with governors of the effected states. He will instead be asking the CDC to a strong travel advisory to be administered by the Straits and as economic impact of the pandemic continues to spread new. Jersey's governor Phil Murphy Says. He has a warning for landlords. This is not the time to be raising rents. And as I mentioned you cannot affect anyone at this time. And if you try to we are not gonNA take it lightly and we will make an example out of you for violating the law. Murphy says renders have Rice. They need to be aware of Democrat. Laura Kelly of Kansas is the latest governor to issue a statewide. Stay at home order to slow the spread of the virus as Jim McLean of the Kansas news service reports. The order will take effect Monday and remain in place through April nineteenth with projections pointing to corona virus cases in Kansas. More than tripling to nine hundred by the end of next week. Kelly said more aggressive containment measures were needed. I left these decisions to local departments for as long as possible. President trump has called for reopening parts of the country where infection rates remain relatively low. But Kelly says that would be a mistake any guidelines from the federal government. That don't model this week. Quite honestly will ignore. Stay at home order now. Either in or about to take effect in half of the nation's fifty states for NPR news. Jim McLean in Topeka and some states including Washington and California don't know how many covert nineteen patients are in their hospitals. Curtis Gilbert of American public media reports epidemiologists need accurate data on hospitalizations. So they can predict the spread of coveted nineteen and make sure hospitals aren't overwhelmed but when APM reports surveyed state health departments around the country eleven either admitted they didn't know the number or didn't respond to multiple requests for that Information Kevin Wicker Sham from the Washington State Department of Health. Leads the team trying to collect that data now? Most of what we're doing right now. It's catch up work. It's work that we've scoped years ago. And then we never had the resources for and we're having to do now because the ambassador wasn't made at that time even with many states not reporting data show more than ten thousand. Americans have been hospitalized with the disease for NPR news. I'm Curtis Gilbert and the pandemic causing delays to primaries this election year more than ten states have moved the date including New York which postponed its primary until June twenty third and in Pennsylvania. Which moved its back to June second this is NPR veterans civil rights leader. Reverend Joseph Lowry has died. He Co founded the southern Christian Leadership Conference with Dr Martin Luther King Junior and led the Group for twenty years restoring its financial stability. Lowery was also part of the nineteen fifty five Montgomery bus boycott that desegregated public transportation and the nineteen sixty five march from Selma to Montgomery that led to the voting rights. Act in two thousand nine. He received the Presidential Medal of freedom from President Obama. Laurie died at his home from natural causes. He was ninety. Eight years old. The Zimbabwean government will implement a twenty one day lockdown starting Monday as a measure to arrest the spread of the covy nineteen pandemic ish. Maumoon de qu has more from Harare. Only about ten percent of Zimbabwe's workforce is formally employed the rest survive by doing odd jobs or selling things on the street announcing the lockdown President Emmerson Mnangagwa said. Most of these people must. Now stay inside. This is going to have a huge negative impact on the ability of these street. Traders who in most cases are Bailey. Eking out a living as in the in South Africa now on day. Two of this twenty one day lockdown this Imbaba an army will be deployed to assist the police Zimbabweans on easy about the involvement of an army. That has opened fire on an armed civilians killing many in the past two years for NPR news each Mahfoud equal in Harare. And I'm Janine herbst. Npr News in Washington.
Covering The Kent State Shootings; Kansas Gov. On Coronavirus Preparation
"This is here and now I'm Lisa mullins and I'm Jeremy Hobson and the numbers keep climbing more than two hundred forty thousand people in the US have tested positive for Cova more than a third of those are in New York where hospitals have been overwhelmed but as dense urban areas in New Jersey California and other states struggled the manage the virus. Let's check in now on a state that is facing a very different challenge. We're joined from Kansas by that. State's governor Laura Kelly Governor. Thank you for being here and Kansas has just over five hundred confirmed cases. Very few people have died compared to other states but experts are predicting that caseload will keep going up and peak near the end of this month or you can to have the capacity to take care of everyone. Well if cans do what they need to do We will have the capacity. We we've done some modeling and if we can sort of reduce the movement of folks Which was the purpose of our stay home? Order and purpose of shutting down our school buildings If we can get chance to cooperate stay home and we can increase reduction in movement the projections that we've done show that we will have enough. Icu beds and then later to handle the caseload If they don't then we will need to make other arrangements which we are already making you looking to expand our capacity in case. We don't reach that you instituted that. Stay at home order on Monday. That's when it started but most of your next door neighbors have not done that Missouri Nebraska Oklahoma only have partial stay at home orders or none at all. Is your order effective? If neighboring states aren't doing the same thing I think it would be more effective if You know everybody would just go this way. We deal with emergencies on a regular basis out here in the plains states You know we have wildfires for instance in you know. Trust me. I know they know no border. You know they can start in Oklahoma and come right up into Kansas. We share borders And disasters Tend not to respect borders And neither will does virus so yeah it would be very very helpful if everybody just goes ahead and puts the stay at home order in place governor. I want to ask you about Something that the president's son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner said in the White House daily briefing yesterday. Listen to this. And the notion of the federal stockpile was supposed to be stockpiled it's not supposed to be state stockpiles day. Then you so. We're encouraging the states to make sure that they're assessing the needs. They're getting the data from their local local situations and then trying to fill it with the supplies that we've given them governor as the governor of a state. Wh what's your reaction to those comments that the federal stockpile is not meant for the states. Well that's exactly what it's meant for and always has been an has to continue to be you actually. Kansas has put in a request for hundreds of thousands of mass swabs testing kits. And all of those kinds of things. We have received word that the orders were approved and filled. But we haven't seen the shipment so the federal government absolutely has a responsibility to gather that stuff together and then to distribute it. I think part of the biggest problem was that when it was evident that this was going to be an issue a months and months ago that should have been the time that the feds were stockpiling. All of the equipment and the testing and everything else. We knew we were going to need. They didn't do that. They got a very late. Start and we're all paying the price for that Right now though I would dismiss what Mister Kushner said. That is absolutely not the way that it supposed to work. Are you having regular conversations with the White House about what you need? You know the. The National Governor's Association sponsors a call once a week There is a White House. Call usually with the president and vice president and then vouch e and a few others from health or defense or whoever and I participate in those calls but I have found that the best way for me to deal directly with these issues is to go through my federal congressional delegation. Senator Moran Senator Roberts because they've got you know channels to the folks That need to be alerted to what Kansas need? So I'm tending to go that way versus you know asking on the phone call to the White House. I just think for Kansas it to more effectively to deal with it when I ask you one more question. The last time we talked with you it was about the fact that you had reached a deal with Republican lawmakers to expand Medicaid in Kansas. Do you expect that a lot? More people are going to need that now with the economic situation. Oh absolutely You know I mean the reality is if we were to expand medicaid. Tomorrow you know wouldn't be able to implement that until twenty twenty one at some point but the fallout from this. Corona virus long-term is going to be severe and lengthy and so yes absolutely. There will be a number of people who are going to need access to healthcare It also would bring down another billion dollars every year from the federal government which we are going to need because our our healthcare system is taking a huge hit. Could've used the money before we're GONNA need it even more as we go forward. That is Kansas Governor. Laura Kelly governor thank you so much and good luck with all these challenges ahead of you appreciate that German. You Take Care Today. There's more evidence at the corona virus is taking a severe toll on the economy. The unemployment rate rose sharply nearly a full percentage point to four point four percent employers shed more than seven hundred thousand jobs in the past month and it is expected to get much worse joining us. Is Beth fouhy senior politics editor for NBC AND MSNBC? Hi Beth Halabja. The jobless numbers point to the pain. People are feeling around the country because of the Corona Virus Eufaula politics. How concerned does the president seemed to be about? Not just the vast population of the unemployed. But how the jobless figures might affect the election in November. Well I mean let's face it. The the entire scope of this presidential campaign has been vastly changed by what we're seeing as the result of this pandemic and I think president trump has realized realized Reluctantly but nonetheless has has embraced the fact that nothing else matters other than his performance through this crisis and he will only be evaluated by how he confronted and how he helps marched the United States of this crisis and where at a very early stage of this right now. He of course is is watching the politics of this but the politics of this go just right up into his performances as president. There's really nothing he can do. He can't campaign he can't hold rallies he can't change the subject all of the things that he's so expert at simply are not going to apply in this case so it's going to be his steering of of this situation. His leadership that is ultimately going to determine whether he gets reelected or not the president is touting having quick to shut down air travel into the United States from China as the corona virus spread but two months in the administration is struggling to get critical medical supplies to states. That need the most we just heard from Kansas Governor. How is the president dealing with complaints? He's getting from various governors around the country whose hospitals don't have the supplies they need well. President trump is is doing something that he's he's done many times in the past which is to say that he wants to be appreciated for all the good he's doing but doesn't WanNa take any responsibility for anything that goes bad. We're seeing that in this case as well but in this case it's it's it's real world consequences if these governors don't get these supplies into their states people will die first. Responders will die our get very ill. Doctors will not be able to perform their tasks that are essential to getting through the health crisis that we're facing president. Trump does not want to be held accountable in any way for any lack of of of needed supplies. And so he's pushing back on these demands. You played that sound bite from jared Kushner beforehand were. He basically reiterated the president's claim that it is not up to the federal government to equip states with what they need. Obviously that is not how governor see it The governor of my state Andrew Cuomo says every day. It's putting governors in a position where they are competing against each other for needed supplies. Driving the prices up. That's why so many people at the federal and at the state level are calling for a more unified national response to this Where states can come together where the federal government manages the process but until this point president trump has shown reluctance to that when we talk about. Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden. Right now on. Msnbc this week he was talking about the president's performance in this pandemic there certain things that could be done now should have been done a week ago three weeks ago a month ago the tests for me is what does he do from this point on and he has significant responsible. Put somebody in charge. This is a war you need. A General Biden's criticized the rollout of the two trillion dollar relief program Amid reports that some Americans who don't have direct deposit won't receive relief checks until mid August. What are you hearing about that well? It's it's interesting vice. President Biden is in a Sony Awkward. Very Awkward Position Right now because he is at this point the presumed nominee of the Democratic Party. He should be the sort of the standard Barry for the democratic response or voice around this crisis. But he really can't be. He's not the governor of a state. He doesn't have the kind of platform that governors have to speak out and to Draw attention to to what their states needs. So he's instead sort of left to speak from his his home in Wilmington Delaware and say what he thinks. Oughta be happening and what he would do as president but there's very little for him to do to sort of illustrate that in a real world way. He's done much better in the last week or so making himself available and and doing interviews and speaking out and speaking to the press. But he's in this very odd position really probably never before seen for a presidential contender to have so little of a platform to stand upon to address something of this magnitude Beth we senior politics editor for NBC. Mba'S NBC as. Well thank you thanks for having me. This message comes from here now sponsor indeed when it comes to hiring. You don't have time to waste. You need help getting to your shortlist of qualified candidates fast. That's why you need indeed dot Com post a job in minutes set up screener questions then zero in on qualified candidates using an intuitive and dashboard. And when you need to hire fast accelerate your results with sponsor jobs new users can try for free at indeed dot com slash here now terms conditions and quality standards apply offer valid through March. Thirty First Twenty. Twenty next month marks fifty years since an anti war protest at Kent State University in Ohio turned lethal is started after President Nixon announced he was expanding the Vietnam War students planned a demonstration that day and the governor sent in the National Guard to break it up. That sound from W K issue. The students did not leave. They were unarmed. They hurled rocks and soldiers opened fire for students. Were killed a number of others injured. In what's known as the Kent State Massacre Robert? Giles was managing editor of the Akron Beacon. Journal back then. He is the author of the book when truth mattered the Kent State Shootings Fifty Years Later published this week. Robert Charles. Welcome to here now. Thank you nice to be with you. The Kent State shootings happened during a time when there were more than nine thousand protests from August of nineteen sixty nine to August of nineteen seventy the protests were about the Vietnam War more than fifty thousand young. Americans had died in the war by that time Ken state though was the only campus were students. Protesting lost their lives. You as we said. We're the managing editor of the local newspaper. You're put in charge by the big boss. He was out of the country he said to you. Don't screw up in not knowing that something as monumental as this would happen. Can you tell us why this particular story in your long career has stood out and kind of haunted your memory since those days can stay was a national tragedy? The students were protesting the Vietnam War and particularly president. Nixon decision defend. Us troops into Cambodia In those days people trusted their newspapers. They trusted their newspapers. Give them the best available version of the truth and we had been covering Demonstrations at Kent State campus for a long time. We were very well prepared And we worked under great pressure and it gave the public a truthful account and Wintry battered is a powerful reminder. Of why truth did matter in my view party. The issue here is that there were different versions of what happened in different newspapers. In Your newspaper the Akron Beacon Journal happened to have the story correctly in the first newspapers that you put out whereas the big newspapers around did not have correctly. What were the differences difference was that we are well prepared? We had a a young journalism student who just graduated. Enjoy Dr Staff and who knew the layout of Taylor Hall which is a big building where the shooting took place and I found that he went into the Dean's office found Margaret Brown. He he said. Can I use your telephone? She a secretary there. She was the secretary and she held the phone. She said well you hold the phone for me and so she said okay. I'll do that. And then the young student and now I reporter Jeff Salad at the moment of shooting. Jeff came in and began to report over the open telephone line to our newsroom in Akron and by the time our last edition went to press We had all the names of the dead and the wounded and complete explanation of of what had happened. So you're attributing that to the fact that you had a reporter who knew the campus very well. Who Do the people there well enough to be able to get the story? When when some of the large newspapers were reporting that for instance to students had died and two national guardsmen had died. That was not correct to you. You had correctly that it was four students who died when that news came out. I mean these are people who when they hear that both students in national guardsmen died. This is part of the national. Tragedy is enormous story. And so I know you wanted to make sure that you got it right. Yeah the reason that there was this conflict was that the UPI had a reporter who overheard telephone conversation on the guards telephone. That said we've got two dead here. And he assumed the two dead were guardsmen and it was very troubling to us because we knew that it would feed into the impression by many opponents of the students on that the riot and the shooting was in in fact started by students so we had our own reporters eyewitness account and pretty soon The correction was made by UPI. And that truth that there were four students killed held up who was it who asserted at one point in the aftermath of this. That one of the students was acting as a sniper in. That's what set off the fire. From the national guardsmen. That came right from the Guard. Commander and the guard kept using that trying to make the case that the students the protesters were to blame one of the reasons that that version was used was that next to the shooting site was a metal sculpture and there was a bullet hole in the sculpture. So we found we got a piece of metal we got the sculptor come up with an marksman and we did some test shots and it actually proves the reverse that the whole was made by a bullet came from the direction of where the guys working we published that story and that has pretty well diffused sniper argument kind of went away so let me ask you this then you call the book when truth mattered. The Kent State shootings fifty years later. Truth degree still matters now. But what's the relevance to what happened then to now? Well there's a public hunger for truth today there was then and the focus is really on Forgetting accurate information. It's and trusted so much more critical than ever. And if you think about the truthful story that we're trying to dig out today. The best reporting comes from people reporters who are relying on the experts. Well that was true back in nineteen seventy as well that really cuts through those. Who Want to talk about conspiracy theories and other things that simply. Don't hold up to the to the light of day. So there's a parallel there that I think holds up from nineteen seventy two two thousand and twenty Robert. Giles was the managing editor of the Akron Beacon Journal back during the Kent State shootings. He is the author of the book when truth mattered the Kent State shootings fifty years later. Thank you so much for speaking with us. Good luck and thank you and good luck to you. Look your listers say safe in Italy? There's more bad news and a glimmer of hope. The number of corona virus deaths is now nearing fourteen thousand but the rate of new infections is rising more slowly every day the term plateau is being used a lot but authorities are desperate for people not to let their guard down here. And now's Anna Ben Stat. Has this postcard from the Tuscan town of few solely looking out over the Tuscan countryside the hills of verdant with Olive Groves Cypress trees. The Sun is teased out the wild violets and pink and enemies at a touch of color to grassy meadows one would think a chapter from under the Tuscan Sun was about to unfold. So it's hard to read the words of the mayor of this small Tuscan town on our facebook page. Sono viramune team multo Arab Yata. I am really very angry. She writes mayor and are only is truly annoyed because she has seen too many people outside. Ignoring lockdown orders to stay indoors two months ago you could have bumped into anatony here in la and how welcoming smile would have brightened day. So angry tone is striking but on the whole the citizens of Veasley supporter. They want the man and the local police to give out more of the large fines. That can now be placed on those who break the restriction rules fines of up to three thousand euros. One commenter on her page though has a more old school approach with concrete. In your boots I invite my fellow citizens to throw water from our terraces and windows on those who have no respect for those who've already died from corona virus otherwise across Italy have been posting even more impassioned videos with instructions to their citizens Bahasa. Do she didn't machine mission. As soon of demands only response owning building species Giordani these calls to obey the rules and static. Khaza stay home. Do seem to be working. Despite the blips on sunny days and some of the irritation on display Italian seemed to be surprising even themselves with how much they're sticking to the restrictions of lockdown life from my housebound state as lean out of the window I hear and see very little movement in fact one of the loudest sounds is in the afternoon when a van drive spy with a loudspeaker on top. Reminding everyone to stay inside. The big excitement in our house was when I went online and managed to score a home delivery of groceries on the assigned day at the front door with my protective gloves. On as the little truck made its way up the lane. The delivery man was remarkably cheerful and together. We worked out something of a dance routine so he could bring the groceries in without either of US getting to near each other here. In central Italy disease hasn't been as heart wrenching devastating as in the north of the country and the example of the North Probably Explains. Why so many people here following the guidelines and are infuriated when a few people don't on the last day of March and Volney and every mayor in Italy stood for a minute of silence in front of their town halls with the flags at half staff and the bells tolling to remember those who already died from Corona virus for here. Now I'm Ben stood in fiercely Italy with this morning's march jobs report from the Labor Department. It is now official. Ten years of job growth in the United States have come to an end. The unemployment rate jumped to four point four percent but remember that number is also including the first half of March. When much of the economy was still functioning? Let's bring in Mike Regan senior editor for Bloomberg News. Mike four point four percent is already high compared to what we've been seeing but isn't this expected to go much higher. Yeah absolutely Jeremy and and sort of hit the nail on the head had their by putting out that these surveys were done by the first half of March They don't reflect the massive number of job cuts in the second half of the month. So if you look at some of the estimates from say Goldman Sachs and other Wall Street firms. They're economists are looking at something like twenty million jobs being lost by July that would push the unemployment rate into sort of the mid teens percentages. I would say though I think all these estimates are kind of spitball estimates it-it's the technical term but undoubtedly we're looking at and unemployment unemployment rate. That's going to ultimately peak at a much much higher level than this now the government did just pass that two trillion dollar Economic Relief package the largest relief. Bill is that likely once it starts to make its way into the economy. Is that likely to help? Keep unemployment lower in the coming months than it would otherwise be. That's certain certainly the goal and there are incentives built into the programs that sort of require companies to keep people as many as they can on their payrolls. I would say there is another element of the stimulus That is causing a lot of questions. And that's that extra six hundred dollars a week in assistance for people who file unemployment claims. So obviously that's going to help those people a lot for a lot of low wage workers though that that means they're going to be making more on unemployment than they did in their jobs so there's questions about the effects of that including will it keep the unemployment rate a little bit higher than it might otherwise be another part of that two trillion dollar relief. Package involves loans to small businesses. The White House chief economic adviser Larry Cudlow was on Fox News today saying that that part of the package is ready to go today. Listen I think the resources and the execution can be very good. So let's wait and see. I think the bankers are ready to play and I know that folks need the help so the White House is confident about this loan program. But how complicated will it be to get the money out on such a large-scale quickly so the way this program works is that the banks make the loans to small businesses but the government is actually guaranteeing the loans in other words. If the bar doesn't pay back the money and the banks are on the hook. The government is And there has been some complaints from a variety different angles about this program for one thing. The bank's complained that they hadn't gotten enough guidelines from the Small Business Administration untold. Just a few hours before the start of the program so the very first day of it might not be going as smoothly as hoped. We'll have to wait and see in the weeks. How efficiently that money is delivered. But I agree with you. It's a Gargantuan task for the government and the banks undertake it remember there. There are also dealing with all the disruptions to their own workforce's. The economy is so it's a difficult situation difficult situation and the relief so far seems to be aimed at a short term issue and some economists are starting to think. This could go on longer than we think right now. Mike Regan senior editor for Bloomberg News. Thank you thank you stress on people on the front lines of the corona virus pandemic just keeps growing now. It includes the fear of losing your job even as cases surge some healthcare workers paradoxically are facing layoffs benefit cuts and less pay. Martha Bebinger of. Wb You are in. Boston explains just three weeks ago. Dr Catherine Davis WORRIED ABOUT THE CORONA VIRUS. But not about how it might impact her group of five. Obgyn's who practice at a suburban hospital outside Boston. She subscribed to the conventional wisdom. That medicine is relatively immune from the economy. People always have healthcare. Needs People get sick. People need doctors. People need medicine and those needs. Don't really change then. Two weeks ago. She watched her practice revenue. Drop fifty percent almost overnight after Massachusetts told doctors and hospitals to stop performing elective procedures things like pap smears and mammograms last week. Davis and her partners gave their staff thirty five. Nurses Medical Assistance and secretaries two options moved from full-time to part-time or agreed to be laid off so they could collect unemployment Davis herself taking fifty percent salary cut. She's still reeling from all of the changes. I mean it was in a matter of a couple of days that I realized just serious this was and just how much it was going to impact every single aspect of my life It was shocking. The loss of revenue from routine and non urgent care is wreaking havoc across Massachusetts atrios healthcare which serves seven hundred and forty. Five thousand. Patients is temporary closing offices placing many non clinical employees on furlough and withholding some pay for those who remain Dr Steve. Strong water is the CEO. What we were trying to do is piece together. A solution to get through the crisis and keep employed as many people as we can. Congress just approved an economic relief package that includes one hundred billion dollars for the medical industry. Strong water says physician practices like his must get their fair share but hospitals are also looking for help with their own financial wounds in Massachusetts. The State Hospital Association says its members are losing one billion dollars a month because elective surgeries like knee. Replacements are on hold. These are very uncertain. Times that's Kate Walsh. Ceo of Boston Medical Center. That hospital is laying off. Ten percent of its workforce which is about seven hundred people. Wall says workers who do direct patient care are exempt. The first thing we tried to do is reassign people we deploy people and very reluctantly in it was. It's a very difficult situation. We agreed to furlough people. Massachusetts isn't alone dallas-based Steward Healthcare is rolling up. Furloughs hospitals in Minnesota are reducing staff hours and hospitals in New Jersey are considering layoffs non-clinical employees while it's clear hospitals are losing money at least temporarily. Dr Carr Coralie Krishna. Murthy says employers need to think more carefully about the ethics of pay cuts and layoffs. Dr Krishna Murthy is a neurologist who studies medical ethics when they're calling upon doctors and nurses to do more. This is not the time to be making it more difficult for them to do that. There may be temporary employment options for clinicians who've been laid off if they're willing they might be able to work in field hospitals states erecting quickly or special units opening to help with the surge of Kobe nineteen patients but a lot of those jobs haven't started yet and it's unclear if that will be enough to solve this strange problem of healthcare workers losing jobs and money during a massive medical crisis for here now. I'm Martha Bebinger. Scientists around the world are working to find a cure or treatment for Kovic nineteen here in the United States. Researchers are hoping to speed up that effort with the help of supercomputers made available through a partnership with the White House the Department of Energy and a consortium of businesses led by IBM for more. We're joined by Paul DEBAR Under Secretary for Science at the US Department of Energy Paul. Welcome back Jeremy. Great to talk again. And you're calling this new group. The high performance computing consortium. What exactly do these supercomputers do? And how are you hoping that they're going to discover treatments? Help discover treatments for covered nineteen. Yeah great so Supercomputers have been used for for decades for discovery science and on many different things and and we've built them and others. Ibm is built them for the private sector and academic institutions of four discovery. And the the four major items that we use them on For Science are materials chemistry biology physics to do different modeling different simulation. Different design at the most complex and this is capacity that The American people have built At the national labs that That we run and also the private sector has built and so using that capacity To go attack obviously a very important Public Health crisis is something that Were basically ready to do because we've been doing similar versions of discovery of around these topics for decades. And Are you expecting that? This will help develop practical solutions or is it more just about learning fundamental things about the virus itself now. We're very much focused on practical items right now. We and the rest of the members of this consortium or shifting tremendous amounts of resources of people researchers and also hardware towards practical solutions in particular. Trying to narrow down back scenes and therapies. That should be focused on in trials that would have the highest probability obviously at the end of the day. There's lots of actions being being taken around the country to minimize the spread but to To a very large degree. Science around back scenes and therapies need to be the ultimate goal here to really address the situation. How soon do you think you'll have results? Well science is always something. It's hard to exactly predict But this computing is actually too narrow too narrow that window historically as we would try to find a new material new piece of chemistry or in this case a new piece of biology biotech drug many times. It could take years and years to to kind of narrow down and this consortium is really an unprecedented number of not only government and academia by the private sector. Who's never done this before? The Tech Community to focus all the resources to narrow that down at a lot of predictions obviously For a vaccine or twelve to eighteen months and we're just trying to maximize that opportunity of that happening because you have the private sector involved with this who owns the intellectual property that comes out of this research if you do discover a treatment or a cure with this government Research will it be publicly available and affordable? Yeah so at the end of the day. What the consortium is doing is People are volunteering their capacity both from a support point of view as well from a hardware point of view to do this modeling and simulation to drive towards solutions This is going to be open science. The people who were giving access to to to utilize capacity as of right now thirty two members of the consortium have put together will be the traditional way. Obviously the researchers are the ones who are going to be developing the actual ideas whether they come from academia or the private sector or the national labs and and the very traditional way that is is Ron. We'll be done that way. I the researchers into researching organizations do it at the end of the day. I don't think we're particularly worried about any any differences in changes and intellectual property. I think everyone's very much focused on on really volunteering for free. All this capacity to try to drive solutions just one more thing as we're all dealing with corona virus. A lot of people are working from home. They don't WanNa go into the office because they don't WanNa contaminated or get Corona virus themselves. Do you have a logistical challenge? In in having these supercomputers everywhere do people have to actually go in to do this work or can they do it remotely. Yeah so a lot of the researchers can do this remotely along. This is about Data small molecules targeting covert and how to build up the algorithms associated with it. There isn't any one of the institution so not only the D. We you know. Seventeen national labs but Amazon Microsoft obviously. Ibm WHO's Who's a leader in this? All have supercomputers also all around the country. There is a minimal amount of people required to keep the computers up and running But in the big scheme of things Most of this can be done with relatively minimal number of people on the ground to maintain the hardware. That is Paul Tobar. Under Secretary for Science at the US Department of Energy. Paul thank you for joining us again and good luck with this. I hope you yield some results very quickly. Thank you and appreciate support for disk capacity that That we have governors are imploring Washington. Dc to send medical supplies to help them deal with the corona virus. Here's New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy on. Npr this morning. We've gotten some of the federal stockpile in terms of ventilators personal protective equipment. But not nearly as much as we need. So how is what's left in the national stockpile getting allocated to- Lula Rooney Pie is White House reporter with the Washington Post till the President says the supply of protective gear including masks and gloves is nearly depleted and FEMA says ten thousand ventilators left in the stock power now a strategic national assets. What does that mean for states? That immediately need these supplies. Well it means they're going to have to go without a lot of these materials though that federal government says that they are buying much more of this equipment and shipping it directly to the states. But that still leaves the shortfall for a number of these states who say that without the critical ventilators and personal protective equipment that they will not be able to care for the surgeon patients that they're expected to see over the next few weeks. Federal Government just doesn't have enough but New York. I mean these hospitals and stay being pushed to limit New York says it will run out of ventilators in six days. The city of New Orleans and that region says it's going to run out of ventilators and hospital beds this weekend. We heard from the health department director in New Orleans who says the governor requested thirteen thousand ventilators and got one hundred ninety two on the other hand we hear about in your report. Oklahoma requested sixteen thousand face shields and got many times more than that one hundred twenty thousand. What explains the difference. Fema and the trump administration have not been able to explain that difference. They say they have a formula. That's based on population that's based on the needs of the various states and that they provide a good chunk of what's in the stockpile based on those factors but that has not been as had its factory answer for our number of these states that are calling for a lot more of this product. Go to their states because they mentioned how much of a great need they have. Let's go to a comment. That president trump has made. He has repeatedly berated some governors for not doing enough For being rude to him for not being grateful enough for federal help. This is what he said last week. The governors have been very gracious for the most part. I would say that a couple that are appreciative of the incredible job. They have to do a better job themselves. That's part of the problem telling you. How much have you been able to ascertain that? Playing politics here is part of the problem. Well President Trump said it himself. He is inclined to not really help. These states saying that these states should be able to do this on their own but at the same time he does have close relationships with a number of these governors in some state officials like in Florida have said that the president's close relationship with the governor. There has helped them to get an originally. They got one hundred percent of their first two requests. Now there are other states. That don't have such a close relationship with the president and they have not been able to get those expedited. Requests fill now the president and the administration say that they've done a lot for democratically led states as well. There is a lot of concern that politics has infiltrated the disaster. Relief relief process and states. That are not as friendly to the president or do not have close relationships between the governor and the president have not been able to get their request filled with quickly. Yeah there seems to be a lot of mistrust here. There's a FEMA official told The Washington Post that? Some states are asking for more than they need. Have you found that to be the case? It's really a matter of perspective states are saying they're looking at their curves. They're looking at the model that show that there will be a dire need for this equipment in a matter of days and weeks and they're trying to get ahead of the federal government says that they can move quickly that there's no need for panic. Buying that wants the peak happens. The federal government will surge this equipment to the states. That need them the most. There's just been a lack of harmony between the states and the federal government on the best way to approach this process. And that's part of the reason why there's so much dissatisfaction and even desperation among these states to try to get the federal government to fulfill some of their requests before they think it's too late and just to clarify that. Do the states have reason to distrust that? Fema will actually get them more equipment at the time that they need it. Yeah there's been a lot of distrust within this entire process in part because the states have ask for things that they have not been able to get some cases. Fema has sent things to warehouses at the middle of the night when the warehouses are closed. Some time FEMA has sent boxes without identifying. What's in the boxes? We've had some states say that they are opening boxes. Not knowing what's in them so there is a lot of distrust that when things get really bad that FEMA and the federal government will be in a position to quickly get the states. What they need. And it's part of the reason why these states are asking for all of this material at this point in part because they believe that the federal government will not be in a position when things are at their worst to provide the material. Just when we're question to Allu- it's clear that a surges coming to many states in very soon is this problem of accessing vital equipment like ventilators and personal protective gear. Getting any better well. It's not really in part because there just aren't the numbers of equipment that that are needed to fill the requests until this is looking like it's getting worse before it gets better. The federal government does say that they have more equipment being built in and manufactured. But it just doesn't seem like it's happening in fast enough time to get to the peak and there's a lot of concern that things are going to be very bad over the next few weeks washingtonpost White House reporter Tim Him O'Leary Nipah. Thank you very much. Thank you here and now's a production of NPR and WB you are in association with the BBC World Service. I'm Lisa mullins. I'm Jeremy this is here now.
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"Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Barbara Klein. Churches in Kansas are having to abide by limitations on gatherings this Easter Sunday. Jim McLean of the Kansas News Service reports. The State Supreme Court has upheld an executive order by Democratic governor. Laura Kelly aimed at preventing the spread of the corona virus. The justices met virtually over zoomed hear arguments and a lawsuit Governor Kelley filed against a panel of legislative leaders controlled by Republicans on Wednesday. That panel voted to block an order issued by Kelly that added Church services and funerals to an existing list of places where no more than ten people could gather the lawmakers agreed. That church leaders shouldn't continue holding regular services but those who did shouldn't be prosecuted Kelly. Accuse them putting the lives of cans at risk the court in a narrow decision the lawmakers didn't have authority to overturn. Kelly's order at the time they acted but the justices declined to address the question of whether it infringed on the religious liberties of cans for NPR news. I'm Jim McLean into Pika. Abortion providers in Texas have filed an emergency application with the. Us Supreme. Court to block part of Governor Greg Abbott's executive order that bans almost all abortions in the state because of the corona virus. Nancy northop is CEO of the Center for Reproductive Rights in Texas. This is an extraordinarily difficult time but this is an easy case. Texas is blatantly abusing its emergency power to obliterate ROE versus wade a federal judges intervened to allow some abortions but an appeals court has reversed the orders corona virus numbers continue to rise in the US. More than five hundred. Thirty thousand people are now infected. More than twenty thousand have died. Brittan's death toll has surged. Nineteen of the fatalities were health workers. Npr's Frank Langfitt reports. A controversy is brewing after officials seemed to suggest. Some workers are wasting personal protective equipment. You Can Health Secretary Matt. Hancock triggered a backlash. Would he said staff should use the equipment they clinically need and treat. P. E. is a precious resource. Ellen Courtney is a critical care doctor in England. Correct me if I'm wrong. I thought that the healthcare professionals were the precious resource quitting said some workers. Still don't have the appropriate protective gear. It's easy to describe a in Berry military-type terms that we're the front line that we're at war with this enemy. You would still not send the soldier towards down without a gun. You know you'd still give him a helmet. Prime Minister Boris Johnson. Who was released from the hospital? Sunday after treatment for Kobe. Nineteen says he owes his life to healthcare staff. Frank LANGFITT NPR news. Spain's Kovic nineteen. Death toll has risen for the first time in three days just as Spain prepares to ease restrictions on nonessential businesses. Tomorrow this is NPR. Russia is reporting a spike of two thousand new corona virus infections. A Kremlin spokesman says it's testing the capacity of Moscow's contagion wards. Moscow's mayor says the outbreak has yet to peak. The city is due to roll out digital passes. That'll be required for people to move around Moscow. Beginning tomorrow. Celebrated Italian Tenor Andrea. Bocelli is making a special offering this unprecedented Easter Sunday. Millions are from a distance. Npr's David Greene reports Pacelli will perform at the historic cathedral of Milan in Italy. The renowned Italian tenor Andrea Bocelli. We'll be sending a message of love and hope to the world especially Italy on punish and JELICA is one of the songs. Celli will be performing Sunday at the Milan Cathedral which is known as the. Duomo many times have performed this Bezos in front of the vote for example. It's a beautiful page music. On Easter there will be no audience because of the pandemic just Celli and his organised in the Empty Cathedral. He'll livestream this concert on his Youtube Channel for free. Npr's David Greene with Tenor Andrea. Bocelli and I'm Barbara Klein. Npr News in Washington.
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"Live from NPR news. I'm Lakshmi Singh. The United States is transitioning through a particularly difficult period. Which for many across the. Us is holy week but NPR's amy held reports. Experts are seeing positive signs in the corona virus response raising hopes. The country will reopen gradually federal social distancing guidelines are only in effect till the end of the month from places will be able to think about opening on. May First Surgeon General. Dr Jerome Adams Tells Fox News. There is no one-size-fits-all reopening of the country. Most of the country will not to be honest with you. But that's how were we opened the country place by place bit by bit. Based on the data the data show death rates are up but hospitalization rates are showing. Promise Dr Anthony Fauci Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious. Diseases spoke to CNN looking like that in many cases particularly in New York. We're starting to see a flattening and a turning around a Seinfeld she says. Social distancing is not only working but must be accelerated meantime. He says new antibody test will soon become available. Amy held NPR news. Kansas Democratic governor. Laura Kelly is taking a group of Republican legislative leaders to court for blocking her order. Banning large gatherings a churches in funerals. She issued the order after public. Health officials trae several cases of corona virus. Two churches still holding services. Jim McLean of Kansas. New Service has the latest. Kelly is suing a leadership committee controlled by Republicans for rescinding an order. She says is necessary to slow the spread of the corona virus. The order expanded an existing statewide ban on gatherings of more than ten people to include. Church services and funerals. The lawsuit filed with the Kansas. Supreme Court argues the lawmakers exceeded their authority. This is not a normal disagreement about policy or politics. The actions of the Republican legislative leaders jeopardize both the health and safety of cans the Republican lawmakers criticised Kelly for abandoning efforts to reach a compromise. The court will hear arguments tomorrow and is expected to rule before Easter Sunday for NPR news. I'm Jim McLean in Topeka so far the. Us Navy hospital ship. Mercy has admitted a total of thirty nine patients since docking in the port of Los Angeles as of yesterday there were nineteen patients on board. Captain John Rock. The commanding officer says so far. They've taken patients with anything from appendicitis to acute injuries from a car accident. And I think the Calculus was to get us here early before. La County kind of a crisis situation so that we could really develop those relationships with the local hospitals with Fema our lead agency and really smooth out the processes for bringing Asians aboard the ship. The mercy is still a Non Cove nineteen facility though in Paris. Good Friday services with readings. Prayers and music continued from the fire. Recovery site of Notre Dame cathedral did so without a crowd the US markets are closed for. Good Friday you're listening to. Npr News and now Turkey where the health ministry says more than four thousand people have come down with grown virus in the last twenty four hours one of the highest daily infection rates on the planet. Npr's Peter Kenyon reports more than nine hundred people have died from the virus in Turkey. Turkey has not been hit as hard as Iran. But it's quickly catching up as its infection. Rate continues to be high. The Turkish government scrambled to deal with the health. Emergency banning large gatherings closing many businesses and requiring face masks and other protective gear in public settings in addition to dealing with its own cases. Onkar has been active in sending medical masks and protective gear to other countries. A plane load of ninety five masks and has met suits took off for Britain according to the state news agency with a second load scheduled to be sent. Saturday preview shipments went to Italy Spain. And the Balkans Peter Kenyon. Npr News. Bul Boris Johnson's father reportedly says the British Prime Minister needs time to recover from the krona virus and is unlikely to be back at work anytime soon. The fifty five year old British leader spent three nights in intensive care at Saint. Thomas Saint Thomas's Hospital in London after his cove. Nineteen symptoms got worse. The Mexican government is reporting more than one hundred of its citizens have died from cove in nineteen related to the outbreak in the United States. But the actual number could be higher. Mexico's foreign ministry says the figures only include deaths reported to its consulates about million Mexicans live in the United States me saying NPR news in Washington.
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"Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Shay Stevens. Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders is urging president trump to declare a national emergency over the corona virus outbreak. Npr's Windsor Johnston has more on what sanders calls a health and economic crisis taking a swipe at president trump sanders demanded transparency from the administration amid a spike in the number of corona virus cases in the US speaking in Burlington Vermont Sanders also called for emergency funding for paid family and medical leave. Sanders remarks come a day after the World Health Organization classified the Cova nineteen disease as a global pandemic. Npr's Windsor Johnston meanwhile vice president. Joe Biden is also criticizing the administration's Corona Virus respond saying that all guidance should come from public health experts by Nand. Sanders are still set to debate Sunday in Washington. Dc instead of Arizona and without a studio audience present. Kansas has recorded its first corona virus. Death as Jim McLean of the Kansas news service reports. It's also the first confirmed case of local transmission of the disease. The deceased man was in his seventies residing in Kansas City Kansas Long Term Care Facility. Health officials believe he contracted the virus from someone visiting or working at the facility. Kansas Governor Laura Kelly state and local. Health officials are investigating. Every effort is being made to mitigate the spread of the virus including quarantining all who are known to have been in contact with this individual. The state has four other confirmed corona virus cases but each of those people were infected while traveling three of them to the same conference in Florida to ramp up response to the virus. Kelly has declared a state of emergency for NPR news. I'm JIM MCLEAN INTO PIKA panic over. The Corona virus and its economic side effects have sent global markets into a virtual freefall. Asian shares are taking another beating down nearly six percent in Tokyo as NPR's Yuki Noguchi reports president trump surprise ban on travel from EU countries. Helped you'll Thursdays route on Wall Street. The last comparable market crash occurred in October nineteen eighty-seven that officially lands all three major stock indices into bear market territory. They've each lost more than a quarter of their value since their peaks and all within a month this comes as a public health crisis continues to send huge shockwaves into the world's economies in the US. The administration's travel ban with a huge swath of Europe sent markets plunging again deepening concern about the long-term economic effects for the second time in a week that triggered a seldom used circuit breaker to halt trading you. Gucci. Npr News Washington in pre-market Trading Dow futures are higher up one point six percent. This is NPR. News Brazil's president all year Bolsonaro is urging supporters to suspend plans Sunday rally supporting his legislative agenda citing the risk of Corona Virus. Infection BOWS AND ARROWS. Awaiting test results after his communications director was diagnosed with the disease a few days ago. Both men dined with President Trump and senior aides in Florida last weekend. French President Emmanuel Macron has closed schools indefinitely as governments around the world ramp-up pressures to contain corona virus. Npr's Eleanor Beardsley has more from Paris. Mellgren defoe despite our efforts to stop it the viruses continuing to spread said mccaw and it's accelerating in a nationwide address. The French president said schools would close until further notice because children frequently carry the virus. But show no symptoms. He asked anyone over seventy to stay at home. Europeans are adjusting to the fact that they can no longer fly to the US president trump's ban on flights from the EU virtually shuts down the transatlantic corridor. The world's most traveled airline route band doesn't apply to American citizens. Jillian Saola was boarding her flight to Chicago at Paris's Charles de Gaulle airport. We've got a bunch of text messages from our family and friends but we're good. Eleanor Beardsley. Npr News Paris. A nationwide lockdown continues in Italy. Where the only business allowed to open our food markets and pharmacies. One of Italy's top health officials is among the eight hundred twenty seven people who've died from corona virus in that country Roberto Stella was head of a Medical Association and Barista. I'm Shay Stevens. Npr News in Washington.
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"Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Nora Raum. President trump is backing off a threat to block travel out of New York New Jersey and Connecticut. Npr's Scott detro- has more on Saturday. President Trump announced he was considering issuing a quarantine order for the northeast states. Hit hardest by the corona virus that was news to the governors of New York and New Jersey who said despite recent conversations with the president his public statement was the first they had heard of the possible. Move New York Governor Andrew Cuomo questioned whether trump had the legal power to even do so hours later. The president tweeted that he was asking the CDC to quote issue. A strong travel advisory for the states and that a quarantine wasn't necessary. Several other states are requiring people arriving from New York to self quarantine for fourteen days Scott. Npr Washington the CDC did issue a domestic travel advisory last night urging residents of those three states not to travel for fourteen days effective immediately. Democrat. Laura Kelly of Kansas is the latest governor to issue a statewide. Stay at home order to slow the spread of the virus. Jim McLean the Kansas news service reports with projections pointing to corona virus cases in Kansas. More than tripling to nine hundred by the end of next week. Kelly said more aggressive containment measures were needed. I left these decisions to local health departments for as long as possible. President trump has called for reopening parts of the country where infection rates remain relatively low. But Kelly says that would be a mistake. Any guidelines from the federal government. Don't model this We quite honestly will ignore stay at home order now either in or about to take effect in half of the nation's fifty states for NPR news. I'm Jim McLean into the. Us now has the most confirmed cases of Cova nineteen in the world. More than one hundred twenty four thousand. According to Johns Hopkins University More Than Twenty. One hundred people have died. The Federal Bureau of Prisons announced last night the first federal inmate to die from the virus. A forty nine year old man in Louisiana who was serving a twenty seven year prison term for a drug charge Illinois officials report a baby with Kovic nineteen died in Chicago the first apparent. Us infant death from disease. California Governor Gavin Newsom said yesterday. The number of people hospitalized with the disease in his state jumped more than a thousand and the number of people admitting to intensive care doubled overnight although far lower than the numbers seen in New York. He says he fears that. The trend will start to strain. California's hospital and newsome highlighted a Silicon Valley firm. That is refurbishing old ventilators. Look in that old garage if you've got old equipment and you want to send it Senate our way and we'll send it right here to this facility. He said California could see conditions similar to New York with pulls back from. Its stay at home policy this is NPR news. The Department of Health and services issued guidelines to the states yesterday to be aware of civil rights if it gets to the point where medical resources such as ventilators must be rationed disability groups say they fear of that happens people with disabilities or the elderly will be shunted aside in favor of others the Office for Civil Rights at HHS says civil rights laws still apply during a pandemic Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says the US. Canada border needs to remain on militarized. As Dan Carpenter reports Trudeau was responding to an idea floated by president. Trump's team members of trump's inner circle had put forward the idea of placing troops within twenty miles of the shared border. The idea was to help. Border guards in their attempts to catch irregular crossers but Trudeau says his side has had discussions with the US on the subject and he says Canada and the US have the longest on militarized border in the world. And it's in the best interests of both countries for it to remain that way the official data suggests there is no need for extra military on the US side customs and Border Protection. Numbers show nine hundred sixty. Three people were caught crossing illegally into the US in two thousand eighteen while more than twenty thousand crossed irregularly from the US into Canada for NPR news. I'm Dan Carpenter in. Toronto officials in Northeast Arkansas. Say a Tornado tore through the college town of Jonesboro. Yesterday the mayor says six people were injured the twister hit residential and commercial areas including a shopping mall. Most of the stores were closed because of the pandemic. I'm Nora Raum. Npr News in Washington.
NPR News: 03-29-2020 1AM ET
"Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Nora Raum. President trump is backing off a threat to block travel out of New York New Jersey and Connecticut. Npr's Scott detro- has more on Saturday. President Trump announced he was considering issuing a quarantine order for the northeast states. Hit hardest by the corona virus that was news to the governors of New York and New Jersey who said despite recent conversations with the president his public statement was the first they had heard of the possible. Move New York Governor Andrew Cuomo questioned whether trump had the legal power to even do so hours later. The president tweeted that he was asking the CDC to quote issue. A strong travel advisory for the states and that a quarantine wasn't necessary. Several other states are requiring people arriving from New York to self quarantine for fourteen days Scott. Npr News Washington the CDC did issue a domestic travel advisory Saturday night urging residents of those three states not to travel for fourteen days effective immediately. Democrat Laura Kelly of Kansas is the latest governor to issue a statewide. Stay at home order to slow the spread of the virus. Mclean of the Kansas news service reports with projections pointing to corona virus cases in Kansas. More than tripling to nine hundred by the end of next week. Kelly said more aggressive containment measures were needed. I left these decisions to local health departments for as long as possible. President trump has called for reopening parts of the country where infection rates remain relatively low. But Kelly says that would be a mistake. Any guidelines from the federal government. Don't model this week quite honestly nor stay at home order now either in or bound to take effect in half of the nation's fifty states for NPR news. I'm Jim McLean in Topeka. California Governor Gavin. Newsom said Saturday. The number of people hospitalized with the disease and his date jumped to more than a thousand and the number of people admitted to intensive care had doubled overnight although far lower than the numbers seen in New York. He says he fears. The trend will strain California's hospitals and newsome highlighted a Silicon Valley. Firm that has refurbishing old ventilators. Look in that old garage. If you've got old equipment and you want to send it send it our way and we'll send it right here to this facility. He said California could see conditions similar to New York if it pulls back from state at home policy the US now has the most confirmed cases of cove nineteen in the world. More than one hundred twenty four thousand. According to Johns Hopkins University More Than Twenty. One hundred people have died. The Federal Bureau of Prisons announced Saturday night the first federal inmate to die from the virus. A forty nine year old man Louisiana who is serving a twenty seven year prison term Illinois officials report a baby with Kobe nineteen died in Chicago. The first apparent. Us infant deaths from the disease this is NPR. The Department of Health and Human Services issued guidelines to the state Saturday to be aware of civil rights if it gets to the point where medical resources such as ventilators must be rationed disability groups say they fear of that happens people with disabilities or the elderly will be shunted aside in favor of others the Office for Civil Rights at HHS says civil rights laws still apply during a pandemic Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says the? Us Canada border needs to remain on sized. As Dan Carpenter reports Trudeau was responding to an idea floated by president. Trump's team members of trump's inner circle had put forward the idea of placing troops within twenty miles of the shared border. The idea was to help. Border guards in their attempts to catch irregular crossers but Trudeau says his side has had discussions with the US on the subject and he says Canada and the US have the longest on militarized border in the world. And it's in the best interests of both countries for it to remain that way the official data suggests there is no need for extra military on the US side customs and Border Protection number. Show nine hundred sixty. Three people were caught crossing illegally into the US in two thousand eighteen while more than twenty thousand crossed irregularly from the US into Canada for NPR news. I'm Dan Carpenter in. Toronto officials in Northeast Arkansas. Say Tornado tore through the college town of Jonesboro Saturday. The mayor says six people were injured. Authorities at Arkansas State tweeted that the campus was not damaged the twister hit both residential and commercial areas. I'm Nora Raum. Npr News in Washington.
NPR News: 04-12-2020 4PM ET
"Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Barbara Klein. The trump administration is floating a new date for the country to start returning to business as usual. Today was the president's first target. Now it's May I the head of the Food and Drug Administration Steven? Hahn says that's because the administration believes the corona virus outbreak is at or near its peak. We have some of the best experts in the world. Dr Foulsham Dr Burkes on this and so I think that information is is accurate but again we had to take this day by day as the data. Come in because this has to be data driven approach speaking on. Abc's this week on also says the FDA has authorized one antibody test several on the market. Haven't yet been validated at last check. Johns Hopkins University is reporting more than five hundred forty six thousand cases in the US. New York Governor Andrew Cuomo and New York City mayor. Bill de Blasio remain at odds over reopening New York City. Schools de Blasio says the nation's largest school district should continue remote teaching through the end of the academic year. Cuomo says it's too soon to make the call. Npr's Joel rose reports New York mayor. Bill de Blasio is defending his decision to keep New York City public schools which serve more than a million students closed through the end of the school year. This is a moral question. How do we protect people best? The best way to protect people is to keep our schools closed but New York Governor Andrew. Cuomo says that legally the decision is up to him not to Blasio. And CUOMO says it's still too soon to decide if you say. The schools are closed through June. You're effectively saying businesses are closed through June. The two Democrats do agree on this. They say New York still does not have nearly enough testing capacity to reopen its economy safely. Joel rose. Npr News Churches in. Kansas are having to abide by limitations on gatherings on this Easter Sunday. Jim McLean of Kansas News. Service reports the State Supreme Court has upheld an executive order by Democratic governor. Laura Kelly aimed at preventing the spread the Corona Virus. The justices met virtually over zoomed arguments. Lawsuit that Governor Kelley filed against a panel of legislative leaders controlled by Republicans on Wednesday. That panel voted to block an order issued by Kelly that added Church services and funerals to an existing list of places where no more than ten people could gather the lawmakers agreed. That church leaders shouldn't continue holding regular services but said those who did shouldn't be prosecuted. Kelly accuse them of putting the lives of Kansas at risk. The court narrow decisions at the lawmakers didn't have authority to overturn Kelly's order at the time they acted but the justices declined to address the question of whether it infringed on the religious liberties of Kansas for NPR news. I'm Jim McLean into Pika. This is. Npr News OPEC and its oil producing. Allies have agreed to a historic cut in oil production. A reduction of nearly ten million barrels a day for the next two months hoping to stop the sharp slide in prices as consumption plummets during the pandemic it ends a price war between Russia and Saudi Arabia. At least for now. Pope Francis celebrated Easter Mass. Today inside a mostly empty. Saint Peter's Basilica amid the corona virus pandemic in Jerusalem. Npr's Daniel Estrin reports mass was held in a nearly empty church at traditional side of Jesus's Resurrection Clergy Sing Hymns Before Empty Pews at the Church of the Holy Sepulcher. That's where Christian tradition says the crucified Jesus was entombed and resurrected only a small group of clergy celebrated the mass that was broadcast online on Palestinian TV. Top Roman Catholic official in the Holy Land Archbishop Pure Batista Pizza. Lots of problems economical political social. And we have to be Christian to be strong united and help each other out love nearby at the Western Wall religious site a small Passover prayer was held without the thousands of Jews who usually attend a small group of men including us. Ambassador to Israel. David Freedman chanted. What's known as the priestly blessing on live? Tv officials have put some neighborhoods of Jerusalem with high corona virus rates under a special lockdown including the Old City where Jerusalem's main religious sites are located Daniel Estrin. Npr News Jerusalem. And I'm Barbara Klein. Npr News in Washington.
NPR News: 04-19-2020 6AM ET
"Live from NPR news in Washington on Jail Snyder president trump says the. Us has become the king of ventilators after earlier concerns at hospitals wouldn't have enough an MP stammer Keith reports from Saturday's Daily Corona virus briefing. The president wants again when after Democratic Governors from both parties have said continuing problems with testing for the virus could hamper efforts to reopen. While testing has ramped up. They say it still isn't enough. President trump however says these complaints are partisan with the other side. Because they're viewing it as it election. How DID PRESIDENT TRUMP TO? Oh he did Terribly let's see he did Yeah he did terribly but we just got him the ventilators that they didn't have that they should've had. We just got them hospital beds by the thousands. We just got them testing that they don't even know how to use. Trump is also encouraging protests against democratic. Governors Tamra Keith. Npr News urban a series of protests in several cities around the nation. This weekend including in taxes where several dozen protesters gathered at the state capital in Austin more than two hundred gathered in downtown San Diego and in Wisconsin demonstrators cheered and waved. Us flags to protest. The governor's decision to extend that state. Stay at home order to May twenty six but for Corona virus survivor Lee Blomberg. She has a message for those who are frustrated. Some stuff done around your house. Everyone is in the same boat. Stop Complaining and be thankful for Your Health Bloomberg Spin Nine days in a coma and an additional week in the intensive care unit president trump also sparring China over the krona virus. Pandemic saying at Saturday's daily briefing that Beijing should face consequences if it is in his words knowingly responsible Florida of Iran to Santa says the state's two point seven million public school students will not return to classrooms as academic years. Brian man reports. The center said he listened to a lot of feedback and decided it was time to focus the rest of this academic year on distance. Learning keeping school kids at home. Some parents were not interested in their kids. Going back some others. It's been tough around the house. They would have liked to have seen him back but given where we are in the school year. We felt that that was the best best decision to go forward and press conference to. Santa's Republican said. There are signs the covered. Nineteen pandemic may have peaked in Florida. Committee will begin meeting next week by phone to strategize plans for reopening Florida's Economy Brian Man. Npr News Today Marks Twenty five years since the Oklahoma City bombing the attack on the Alfred p Murrah Federal Building killed one hundred sixty eight people. The victims usually remembered each year at a gathering at the site of the bombing. But today's event has been cancelled because of the corona virus outbreak. The remembrance has been moved online and local. Television stations will broadcast a pre taped video. You're listening to NPR news. A federal judge has temporarily blocked Kansas from limiting attendance at religious worship services or activities to fewer than ten people. Saturday's ruling came in a lawsuit filed by churches and their pastors against an order issued Kansas as democratic governor. Laura Kelly the churches argued. The order violates religious and free speech rights as well as the right to assembly. The next hearing in the case is scheduled for Thursday three hundred billion eastern Orthodox. Christians are observing Easter this weekend. Many of them in corona virus locked down but Joanna Kakissis reports from Athens at some rogue. Priests are flouting a ban on opening churches to the public further. Stuffer release on the Greek island of heroes is known as the Flying Priest for the way he flies. Out of the sanctuary and scatters Laura leaves during Easter Services. He left the doors of his church open. Defying strict government ban woman tried to enter. The church was detained by police. Father Restore Photo Saran out angrily waving. Astros he screamed. Shame on the police shame on society. He was arrested and fined more than five thousand dollars to more. Greek priests have also been arrested for flooding the church ban but most are observing it chanting to Empty Pews as Easter services are broadcast live to millions for NPR news. I'm Joanna Kakissis in Athens forecasters warning of the potential for severe weather in the southern. Us Today National Weather Service's storms could be strong enough to produce tornadoes from east taxes to South Carolina. This is NPR news.
New Cases Spike In Florida, Texas and Arizona
"Coronavirus cases spike in Florida Texas and Arizona UC. Berkeley makes in person attendance. And New York City is on track to enter face to reopening on Monday. Hello, everyone and welcome to today in America a daily roundup of today's top new stories, here's latest. The virus continues to spread across Arizona Florida and Texas as reported their largest one day increase in new cases over the last twenty four hours. Florida reported two thousand, seven, hundred eighty three new cases. Texas reported two, thousand, six, hundred, twenty, two, an Arizona reported two, thousand, three, hundred, ninety, two, the new daily highest came as all three states have increased testing and move swiftly to ease social distancing restrictions in allow more businesses to reopen. They were among twenty states that have seen the number of newly reported cases grow over the last two weeks. Governor Greg Abbott of Texas attributed the rise. Rise in new cases to some county sent me have reported a backlog of cases that were not reported in recent days. You also blame Texas increase in cases on people under thirty, suggesting that they were being too casual about worrying mass and social distancing tensions between the state and local governments escalated again on Tuesday as nine Texas mayors including those for the state's largest city ask governor bought to give them the authority to mandate the use a face masks for their communities in April. The governor had ordered that local jurisdictions could not penalize residents who did not face coverings. In Arizona, the daily increase of positive cases, brings its total to thirty, nine, thousand in ninety, seven and another. People have died bringing the state's death toll to one thousand, two hundred in nineteen among other hotspots Charleston South Carolina. Joplin Missouri and Portland Oregon in Charleston County South Carolina more than half of the total cases have been reported in the last three weeks. Oregon governor, Kate Brown paused the states reopening plans as new virus cases emerged at their highest levels and in Joplin Missouri where case numbers have doubled over the last two weeks to city council decided to keep in place occupancy limits at businesses. Cases are also rising around Tulsa. Oklahoma Lou and Wichita Kansas none of which were hit especially hard in the pandemics early months. Governor Laura Kelly of Kansas said this week. That cases around wicha spiked. Spiked shortly after county leaders relaxed social distancing rules and in Oklahoma officials feared that large trump campaign rally slated for Saturday could leave massive increases in new cases, Bruce Dr the executive director of the city's health department said he was absolutely concerned that Mr. Trump's rally could become a super spreader event that would lead to more deaths Mr Dart noted that he had recommended the event to be postponed until it was safer to bring large groups together in doors, he also urged people over sixty who wanted to attend to stay home and seek other ways to participate virtually New York governor. Andrew Cuomo says. New York. City is on track to enter its next phase of reopening as soon as Monday. Under the state's plan outdoor dining some in store, shopping hair salons, barbershops, and some offices in the city would be allowed to reopen on the second phase of the reopening plan with restrictions on capacity and social distancing. CUOMO's announcement came as other parts of the nation are seen spikes in new infections while New York has shown a steep decline in new cases since the virus peaked in April estate stole logged six hundred thirty new cases, the ninth highest in the nation on Wednesday state, reported another five hundred sixty seven cases, or about point, nine six percent of all tests. Tests processed the day before the lowest rate since the beginning of the outbreak, Cuomo said that state officials ultimately decided to follow the same precedent set in other regions, allowing face to to proceed fourteen days after the star of Face One New York City was the last region of the state to begin reopening having entered phase one on June eighth, the city suburbs entered face to this week, and the rest of the state has already moved on to face three which allows indoor dining at restaurants and personal care services as the peak of the crisis in New York City. City is over. There's no longer need for temporary hospitals and medical staff wants strained under the number of critically ill patients. The front lines have shifted from intensive care units to recovery areas where doctors are finding that for the most severe cases recovered can be long and difficult process patients who survive lengthy ICU stays during ordinary medical emergencies, such as heart, attacks or car. Accidents often face lengthy recovery's some patients report cognitive deficits, including difficulty, concentrating many also struggle to return to their jobs Dr Lindsay Leaf a pulmonologist at wall cornell who worked with post ICU patients says about. About one third have anxiety, depression or symptoms of post traumatic stress disorder. She noted that the typical state for covert patients in an ICU was generally a longtime one study suggests that at least two weeks an extended stay means more muscle loss and increased risk of other health issues. Even those who are mostly healed may be quite debilitated after long immobilization in ICU where they are administered high doses of sedatives UC. Berkeley has made in person classes for fall semester optional. Those who choose to live in dorms we'll have to self isolate at first large lectures will be offered. Through an online semester in the cloud program, the statement said that the fees intuition will be the same. No matter how a student chooses to take classes, officials said that as many as sixty five hundred students will be able to live in dorms and other on campus housing, but moving date won't be staggered and space will be reserved for quarantine. Students will be prioritized based on their need for housing. According to the statement students moving in will have to be tested for the virus immediately, and we'll have to self isolate for seven to ten days after they arrived and to. To avoid the risk of exposure from students traveling home for Thanksgiving, all instruction and final exams will be online after the holiday and lastly stocks on Wall Street drifted as investors recoup after a week of turbulent trading fueled by a cascade of news about the impact of the virus on the global economy. The S. and P. Five hundred wavered between positive and negative territory in early trading, while European stocks were slightly higher markets have been extremely volatile plunging last week, as investors grew concerned about the rising infections in Florida and Texas. The outbreak in Beijing has also raised questions. This has been a roundup of today's top news stories from today in America. Please support this podcast, but subscribing cast box, dot, io, or anywhere you podcast. Thanks for listening. We'll see you next time.
0156: It Was a Blue Wave (11/14/2018)
"I'm Mindy from the beautiful mile high city of Denver, Colorado and listening to two bronze talk in politics. Hey, we learn this is Kelly with Shoebridge talking politics. I'm here with my co host, Sophie, hey, Sophie, Kelly, and we're here to do a recap episode of the election from last week. So I'm going to note at the outset that we are recording on Tuesday, November thirteenth at seven thirty pm. It is possible that by the time you listen to this by the time we release this things really. But probably not too much. If you're listening to this on Wednesday. So we've got some thoughts on how the election lent. And then we're going to also at the end talk some about where our podcast is going. I think this is a nice book and up because the only other episode that's been just the two of us was the very first episode. We ever did in September of twenty seventeen since then every single episode has had one or more guests. So that's pretty exciting. Sophie. Yeah. It's it's pretty wild to think. That we've done so many episodes. I mean, I like actually started that I couldn't have imagined. How many episodes we would have how many listeners would have? And how many great gas? We would have. I think we sort of had originally thought. Oh, we'll just like get together and talk about politics and every once in a while, maybe we'll have a guess. And then we had so many great guests who were like so kind and so gracious on that it's turned into the guests because they were much more interesting than we were. And it's a lot easier to just ask them to talk. That is true. Well, when I feel like with candidates, that's one of the things that people have really enjoyed about the podcast is that it's not always the case that you get to hear from people running for office in anything other than sound bites and we sit down, and we talk for ten twenty thirty minutes with a candidate about not just you know, what are their talking points? What is their platform? But like who are they and why do they want to run for office? And what is the experience of running for office? Like that was sort of things I think they don't get asked all the time. And so I think people really like getting that window into candidates lives. And so speaking of up Assode in candidates. This is episode number one hundred fifty six. That's actually an undercount by a little bit. Because I did some video episodes there. And I'm not actually counting our election night episode because we didn't put it out in audio form. So we've done slightly more than that. And I don't actually have a total count of guests because we to very many guns actually lost count. But we had like a hundred and fifty six candidates who are on the ballot last week. We've actually talked to more candidates than that we talked to some people who had elections were earlier, and we talked to some people who lost primaries. So we've probably talked about twenty more candidates than that total. But that's a lot of candidates. You know, the most were in Ohio will come back to a little bit and the most were US house, but we talked me both sort of all over the literally all over the map and all fifty states talked people running for everything from US Senate and governor all the way down to like town council, and I think we got a really good sense of sort of who candidates were this year, at least on the democratic side. Of course, we did not talk to any Republicans office and talk to one sole independent and a few people who are running in technically non partisan races. But, but I think we got a pretty good sense of sort of what what was going on election night. And it made it way more interesting to watch three commend. Commend. And not we had. So we have thirty three guests who won their elections on Tuesday. And those guests really were from anywhere from like a city or account to council or city level race all the way up to we had people who want in the house. We had Laura Kelly who is now the governor of Kansas. Was very exciting to attorney general candidates one. Josh, Colin, Wisconsin, and chimera will and Illinois and those are not like small states. Those are kind of big deal states. We talked to somebody who one state in Colorado, that's really exciting to. So we have a lot of you know, candidates win from across the spectrum from small local races that make a difference on a local level too flashy CNN headline races. And I think that was really exciting. Yeah. In we had eleven candidates who are now going into the US house including one who was sworn in today today being Tuesday. So Mary gay Scanlon was actually in both special election for the Pennsylvania's seventh district. I think I might be getting these numbers wrong and the regular lection. So that was the old Pennsylvania district regular lection for the new Pennsylvania district and she won. Both of those. So she was sworn in this morning for the old district, which makes her currently the only woman representing Pennsylvania in the federal delegation because up until now they had no women, which is lucky she'll be joined by a couple of other women in January. But that's pretty cool. Yeah. And two of the big upsets were candidates that we interviewed Kendra horn in Oklahoma. I think she was the candidate who most over performed her polls in the whole US house the year, although to be fair there were not many polls. That is true. That is true. But also very far over performed what you'd expect from the partisan lean based on two thousand sixteen election, and then Suri David who we always knew could win. But who surprise some people by winning her house race in Kansas? So it was really exciting to sort of have the scoop. And of course, Kelly who I knew she was going to win because Chris Kovac was terrible. But I think so. People were surprised to see that Kansas elections at seven. And so we had her on the podcast. So it was fun to have that inside scoop in. I I so I very much thought Laura Kelly was gonna win. I did not think she would win by as much as she won by me too stirs coming out afterwards vote, how crisco bug didn't even campaign and two days before the election. He was in the governor's mansion taking tour and like measuring the windows for drapes. Oh my God. That just makes it even better. Yes. So yeah. There were some really great things. And it's been super exciting to see some of our candidates. No be on a mess. ABC? So I think everybody in my family texted me to tell me. The Lauren Underwood was on Rachel Maddow, the other night and Cerise was on. Then a list of slut can was on the NBC morning shows. And you know, it's just it's it's super exciting to see these candidates that that we always knew where superstars and now everyone waking up to it. So I think that's great. And you know, I think we may have been the only media outlet in America. And you know media outlet in scare quotes who paid any attention to Kendra horn and the Oklahoma v. Although I've been telling people in Twitter like if anyone had been paying any attention to that race. They would have known it was possible. But clearly, no one was paying attention to that. Yep. What were your biggest surprises of the night? Good or bad. I think I was surprised actually that Joe Donnelly didn't hold on in Indiana. I it makes sense like academically. I totally understand why he lost. And if you would have asked me in any other race like will Kennedy eight who is democrat wouldn't Indiana. I would laugh at you. But I had seen his polling. It looked pretty good. He seemed like he walked pretty fine line in Indiana. And I think I think the timing of the results made it more surprising than it actually was just because I had been poised to get excited about things. And then the first races that came in were Indiana and Kentucky, and they were not good for us and Kelly know this because I was there basically like had a panic attack. And like couldn't eat. Eat and kinda couldn't breathe and very pale. It's true. Was very scary. It was a scary moment. I kind of was afraid of what was going to happen. But that was a big price to me. But it really shouldn't have been a big surprise to me. I would say more pleasant surprise for me was New Mexico exit co completely blue I lived in Mexico for two years. I know that it has it is a state with a blue dole. But I also know that there are an awful lot of wealthy old people in Santa Fe. And so I was a little concerned about New Mexico being to Arizona ish. And I was pleasantly surprised to see even the second districts, which is pretty fairly conservative went mechanic. So I was really excited to see Mexico. That was a very pleasant surprise for me. How about? You. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think I was a little bit less surprised by New Mexico. Probably because I didn't have the inside knowledge in all the numbers sort of looked like they were trending well in New Mexico. I think the surprise the biggest disappointment of the night for me was Ohio. Yeah, we talked to twenty two candidates in Ohio and not a single one of them. One. One of them is still pending has not technically been called. But she is currently trailing by about three hundred boats. So, you know, I didn't I didn't expect huge successes in Ohio. I didn't expect them to like flip all the house seats or anything. But I thought at least one or two would pick them up. I mean, I guess I had just fallen in love with so many of the candidates there that I was just knew I knew will myself to ignore the polls. So I probably shouldn't have been surprised, but I was and you know, it just really points to how gerrymandered the US house map still is in Ohio. I think that's true. I also think though, the demographics are not on our side in Ohio. I think if you look at the demographic shifts over the past ten twenty even thirty years Ohio's getting older and wider, and that's not. I mean, that's just been exceleron ding recently. There's not a lot of there's a lot of brain drain going on in Ohio a lot of young people. I mean to be honest like you, and I don't live. There we go, and we are degrees than we go somewhere house like, for example, Chicago Madison, and a lot of the people who would be sort of your natural democratic voters aren't there. And it's got kind of a an appellation vibe going on lately. So I think part of. House problem is that it's is the Konami isn't so fantastic. I think that's part of what's holding it back to and keeping it fairly on the older spectrum. But yeah, demographically, it's been trending a little bit more efficient lately. Although it's I mean, it's really interesting to see nothing flipped in Ohio. So the incumbents there was only one I think one open house seat still Republican. But you look at Iowa and Abby thinking our was predicted to win. So that wasn't a huge surprise. But Cindy axe meet one and that was a little bit of a surprise. And so, you know, but I was still elected Steve king, and they put a governor at the top of the ticket. I think maybe that's the thing that is sort of my overall surprise was how many states kind of split tickets. It's like they wanted to put a check on Trump. But they're not really turning them. A critic. And so, you know, I sort of wonder where all that's going to go to. Years from now, I think that's a really interesting point looking at my state. I was shocked to find that Tony eager is who as into a reasonably progressive guy. But who was kind of a as I said in a live show, not a particularly extending candidate. He sort of like a very family. Nice. And he won by a lot less than Tammy Baldwin are Senator one she is a vocally progressive like progressive populist, but also in like social way, she's a progressive and she one by a mile. And so I think that's really interesting that there was if you if you look at the map, and you look at where the votes are concentrated there were quite a few people who walked into the voting booths on Tuesday and said, you know, I'm gonna vote for Scott Walker also going to vote for tanning falls win. And like that's fascinating to me because those are two completely directly diametrically opposed ideologies. And so I'm wondering as a person who votes on issues, I'm wondering how people make that that decision and. Yeah. Well, in the I'm gonna vote for Sherrod Brown. But also, Mike the wine. I mean a lot of that decision. It doesn't it just doesn't make. Sense to people like us. So I think that's something to watch out for. I mean, that's that's the big concern. Right. Was this a wave that keeps going in twenty twenty? Or is this a knee jerk reaction against Trump? But, you know, not not really people changing. I mean, that's going to be the big test in Kansas, right, Laura. Kelly just get elected because people didn't like Bach, and they wanted to put a stop to Brownback yin kind of policies or were they really willing to over democrat. And I I think the jury is going to be really still out on that one. Yeah. Yeah. So there are a bunch of races still out. There's ten that are not yet called. Looking at those ten. Right now, the Democrats have gained thirty two seats. And I think the it's looking like the three California seats that are still out are pretty safe for Democrats. Even though one technically the Republican still in the lead. But it looks like the Democrats are going to take all three of those. And then there's a lot of question marks the Utah fourth district up until today. Ben mcadams was pretty far in the lead about two and a half percentage points. Now, he's only about half a percent up. And if you like really nerdy discussions should go on Twitter and watch Dave Wasserman and Nate wreckage and Nate silver talk about Utah for. Holy moly. They are like breaking down where they think the ballots might be. Nobody knows where the ballots are right now. But they're breaking down. How many think might be in Utah county, which is pretty red versus Salt Lake county, which is pretty blue. Or you know, I mean, they're just they're really breaking down. And nobody knows enough to make good any really good predictions. So I think most people think it's going to be a nail biter. So we'll see what happens in Utah fourth. The main second district is super fascinating because main is using ranked choice voting this year. Yeah. So right now, the wicked apparently a lot the purred losing. Yes. But losing filed a lawsuit run Bruce house listening? I think I'm not sure how me his name, but proves puck win who's the Republican incumbent actually he's winning right now. But he is pretty sure that after the first round when they go to the second round and use the ranked choice. That he'll be losing. And so he's preemptively filing lawsuits saying that it's a pretty weak lawsuit. As far as I can tell I'm no lawyer. But it looks pretty weak to me. But saying that it's like unconstitutional is ranked twice voting in a federal election. Now, there's going to be some counter lawsuits where voters who voted for one of the independence, but voted for the Democrats second are going to sue and say, no, I only voted this way. Because I knew that there'd be ranked choice. We shall see. But that's super fascinating. I I don't think the lawsuit that poke lawsuit has any ground because there are lots of places that have run offs. Yeah. So it's not really, you know, saying that you should take whoever is in the lead after election night. Make a whole lot of sense. Definitely. So there's those districts. There's New Jersey third. I'm not sure what they're waiting for their right now, the Democrats, and he came as up by about a percentage point. I'm not I think there's maybe some overseas ballots or something that aren't counted. There yet near twenty-second. I've no idea what they're waiting for on that one. But that's really really close. I suspect it's going to go to a recount. Georgia's seventh is part of all these outstanding ballots in Georgia. There's lawsuits going on there's possible runoffs in recounts and Georges a mess. Yes. Georgia is a mess. And then New York twenty-seventh in Texas twenty third probably just gonna stay Republican like they are now. So, you know, it looks to me like we'll probably pick up another five or sixty. I was thinking maybe we'd get all the way to forty and that's not looking by likely at this point five thirty eight estimates thirty eight total right now. So. That'd be day. They had us right on in. How many we'd I mean, they're projections were pretty solid. So I right now choosing. Yeah. I think that's about right? And Senate is technically they're still to out. I don't see Nelson taking it. I don't know about you. But it doesn't seem likely to me and a as much as I would dearly love to win. The Mississippi run off his picking up a Senate seat in Mississippi. Nelson is an inch in case. I think looking at the data from five thirty eight and for other people. Hostile. It's not cly. But it's possible that if the machine recount goes through, and it's still close. And then the hand recount goes through been machine error in Broward County looks like there's a lot of people who voted for gillum. And then didn't vote for Nelson that unlikely in Broward County, it's entirely apparently. And I've read a lot of stuff on it. It looks like it is a very remarkable undercoat. So it's possible. It's a machine error if it's not a machine error. There's no chance, and it's a very I would probably like it's the two percent chance that it's a machine error. Yeah. It's probably more likely. It's just really poor design because you know, it's Laura. That's true. But I feel like in a in a year like this where people are so invested. I don't know. I mean, turn up has been really up the average mid term turnout is forty percent. And we hit about fifty percents this year one hundred million people voted I just feel like since there was so much excitement to me. It's hard to imagine a person skipping that section on the ballot. But that I always check my ballot before I send it. So I put it in the machine. So well, we'll we'll find out. Well, don't hold your breath on it's going to be wild. We'll find out because I think it will go to a Henry county. So someone's gonna look at these gonna see what's going on. Is there anything else we need to say about twenty eighteen before we move onto twenty twenty? I mean, I'd say it's a Blue Wave like, you know, there's all these was it away wasn't away. I think a lot of that just came down to sort of the timing of what came in like you were saying, you know, we saw Indiana, Kentucky and beginnings of Florida First, and those didn't look very promising. But then things Cup looking up from there. And certainly the the late votes all the stuff that's being especially California, you know, where picking up so many seats there. I mean, it's the biggest Emma critic gain in the house since Watergate. So that is a pretty good indication that wave we picked up like I said fivethirtyeight estimates us thirty eight. Plus how seats we picked up seven governorships, we last two Senate seats, probably but given the map and the number that we were defending based. I number that Republicans were defending and the win that person polarization has been shaking out. It's actually pretty impressive that we only lost two. So go us also I just wanna take I wanna talk a little bit about money to 'cause this was a record breaking year. Five point two billion was spent on this midterm, which is thirty five percent. More than was spent on two thousand fourteen and for the first time in left forever. Democrats spent more than Republicans we spent two point five billion Republicans only spent two point two puja. But I think it's really interesting that Republicans have been freaking out about democratic fundraising advantages. There's been a lot of talk apparently in the higher echelons of the Republican party that act blue and how they're like in all of our fundraising potential act Lou. And I don't think. That that's really focusing on the right things. I don't think that the fact that we set up this won't site where you can donate to democratic candidates is really that like breaking they could probably do the same thing. I think it was just a lot of people who had never donated for or who had only may be donated to a presidential campaign. Every once in a while got serious about it and realize that every donation matters inserted donating to smaller races. I think that's why we had such a fantastic amazing actually history-making fundraising advantage in the left quarter before the election. So keep it up guys. 'cause that was awesome. And I think that was that when a really long way towards making the Blue Wave materialize. And if you're feeling bereft that you have nowhere to donate. Now. Couple of calls to action for your right now. No, I'm not about to say ago, donate money to to browse talking politics. Although if you'd like to have a patriot page what I am about to say is that in fact, there are few candidates who are still running. And so you should pay a lot of attention of those. So there are so far could be more. But so far too big runoffs. There is in of course, Mississippi. This is the one people have been hearing more about the Senate run up. This is for the special election of the purposely did not have I don't really understand why. But they didn't have party on the ballot. And so there were two Republicans running democrat and one the current Senator Cindy, Hyde Smith and the Democrats Mike Espy both megabit to the runoff, which is on number twenty seventh which is kind of terrible timing. It's the Tuesday after thanksgiving. So they're currently postcards voters for Mike SP, and you could certainly donate money to his campaign. That would be a super enormous pickup in the Senate in Cindy Hyde. Smith is a verified total racist terrible person. So yes. If you had like proof of that, you can go listen to a comment where she says she would go to public hanging and be in the front row and Mike Espy's a great guy and two good candidates. So go help out his campaign, and then the other campaign that is super important is John barrow who is in Georgia's running for secretary of state that isn't a runoff on December four and if Stacey Abrams does not get into a runoff there. Probably won't be as many people paying attention to it. But secretary of state and Georgia could be enormous pickup for us. So definitely goes support John barrows campaign as well. So so fi had some kid issues in had to go. But I wanted to wrap up by talking a little bit about where we're gonna go with the podcast from here. So we're planning on doing probably one episode week on Wednesdays, which is the way we started out. It's possible will creep up to two again at some point. And I think I'm gonna keep playing around. With them. Short video podcast. We had a lot of fun with that right before the election. So if we do those will post those both on our YouTube channel and will also post those from our website. So you can check those out. I have one with Brian Hans Berger who was on an episode right before the election about self care. He and I are gonna talk before thanksgiving about how to talk to your relatives. Who don't vote the same way you do. So I think that'll be really good. You should check that out. And we'll we'll promote that on our social media when it goes out as well. So few of the things we have planned going forward on the podcast one is that we're going to take at least a little bit of a look at Chicago. The kogo may oral and alderman elections that are coming up. We've got a couple of alderman candidates who will be on. And I think what's overview as well about sort of what Chicago politics looks like it's really fascinating. It's I think one of the most interesting places politically in the country. On a local level. So we will be sure to talk about that. But I promise I won't take over the podcast with Chicago politics. It would be easy to do. Where else are going to be talking to some of our previous guests some of our previous candidate guests some of them who won their elections about whether looking forward to their legislative priorities are and then also some of them who did not win their elections about what's next where they go from here what they learned. So I think those will be some really interesting conversations, we'll keep you posted on those. And then we also want to get back to doing some of what we started with which is to talk to activists authors. Directors of nonprofits, we doing a lot more of that. If you look back in our lives before we got close to election. We're talking to so many candidates than it was really fun. So I think we'd like to get back to doing more of that. If you have people would like to recommend to us. We'd love to hear about it. You can reach us at two broads talking politics that g mail dot com or untwisting or Facebook in our DM's. And then I also wanna. A dimension that I spent a two hours standing in line today, including one of which which was outside in twenty one degree weather waiting to meet Michelle Obama and got a copy of her book, which I now have in hand. And Michelle Obama is just the most radiant amazing person in real life. Some of that may have been hype in the cold, but I I got sick hands with her. I got to meet her briefly, and she was just practically glowing and the way she looked at you and shook hands it really made me feel like like she knew me like I was a person that she knew she cared about. So it was it was really interesting, and it was especially interesting for me to have spend two hours in line without my phone, and there were no phones recording devices loud. And so I actually had to talk to the people around me in line. Which of anyone knows me is a little bit strange for me. But it was really great. It was super cool to meet her interest. See how much excitement there was in the neighborhood for her and her book, and I'm looking forward to reading the book now, and if they're juicy tidbits, I'm sure I'll be sharing them on Twitter. So we sorta check us out on Twitter at two Bradstock. So that's all for us this week, thanks for tuning in. And we'll have lots of exciting content coming your way every Wednesday. Thanks for listening to to broads talking politics. Are theme song is called. Are. You listening off of the album elephants shaped trees by the band, EMU Newry, and we're using it with permission of the band our logo and other original artwork is by Matthew Westland and was created for use by this podcast.
Top 5 Most Downloaded Episodes Of 2019 Fighting Fathers
"Now the lace welcome to first glass fatherhood. Welcome everybody to a special edition of first-class fatherhood. I am happy as always to be here with you. Thank you for stopping by I. If this is your first time listening to the podcast pleased that subscribe button. You do not want to miss all the action. That's coming your way right here on first-class fatherhood all right. Dad's Dad's keeping your Chin cover today because I will be hitting you with the top five fighting father interviews of two thousand nineteen now. I haven't conflicted on which five categories to choose from this week. I've already they hit you with the top five celebrity and entertainment interviews the top five fitness father interviews. And tomorrow. I'm going to be hitting you with the DADS of the NFL. And Friday. The top five navy seal interviews of two thousand nineteen. I could easily do a military dad's other than the seals as well as an entrepreneur. Top Five but I chose fighting fathers here because all of the episodes it's really just crushed the downloads this year. And so many of you guys have reached out to me to try to get some fighters on the podcast here so I really hope you enjoy this collection. It's going to begin in the octagon at number number five with Matt Brown who is known in the cage as the immortal he just had a fight the other day in pummeled. His opponent Matt spoke openly about his addiction and so much more when he joined me here earlier. This shear so you will hear from Matt Brown I at number five number. Four is Kelly Pavlik professional boxer. Who was known in the ring as the ghost? He finished his career after forty. Two fights with forty wins. Becoming Dad heavily influenced his decision to walk away from the fight game which she speaks about in our interview so Kelly Pavlik up at number four number three is titus. O'Neil the WWE superstar whose heart is bigger than his six foot. Six frame titus. His Mom was raped at eleven. Gave Birth to him at twelve years old he speaks about the effects of EVATT and especially growing up without a dad in the home. If you missed our interview you are part of a small group. It really crushed the charts. Titus O'Neil is at number three number two is Tito Ortiz. Who crushed his fight? Recently against Alberto del Rio and my interview with him crush the charts Tito speaks openly in our conversation about his own upbringing with drug addicted parents. His relationship as you ship with porn. Star Jenna Jameson. And how all of this helped shaped him into the first class father he is today so you will hear from Tito Ortiz at number two and finally at number one is the UFC UFC president himself. Dana White Dana White's interview was awesome and he enjoyed our conversation so much that he invited me to come and meet him at. UFC Two forty four in Madison Square Garden for for the Moskva. Al D. S. and what an incredible date night that made for my wife and Eye Dana was extremely kind to us and my interview with him smash the charge this year. Putting it at number one in in today's list all right so I hope you guys enjoy this collection tomorrow. We're GONNA hit the Gridiron from the most downloaded. NFL Father Interviews of two thousand nineteen as always. Please spread the word about not this podcast. Every father in your neighborhood or in your contact list let them know about the show that celebrates fatherhood and family life fatherhood rocks family values rule and every day is father's Day right here with me. And I'm I'M GONNA be right back with the top five most downloaded fighting father interviews of two thousand nineteen. I'm Alex and you're listening. To first glance fatherhood yeah all right. Joining me now is a first-class father. He is a legendary. UFC fighter known as the immortal. He was a contestant on season seven of the ultimate fighter. And you've seen him crushing opponents in the UFC cage. It is so cool for me to say Matt Brown welcome to First-class Fatherhood. Yeah thanks for having me. Let's start here. How many kids do you have? And how old are they Three kids Twin boys that are eight years old and three year old daughter. Wow okay You got the eight year olds involved in any sports or activities yet. Oh Yeah Gosh you name it. They do it The primary Mary Sports are Jujitsu and wrestling but they also baseball football. You know all the standard stuff do okay. That's awesome do you get involved with coaching at all or do you like step aside from that and kind of watch and cheer off from the sidelines I certainly coached Jujitsu and wrestling. 'cause that's what I know but I actually coached baseball. Sorry I coach baseball this year for the first time which was pretty interesting. I didn't know half the rules so yeah that was pretty fun but I think it's about ob done. I I did a little bit of football but again I just don't know the rules. Well enough kind out of a mess. When I'm out there all right good enough Do me a favor Matt. Just take a minute to hit my listeners with a little bit about your background do all right. Yeah that's a that's a lot so Y- Y fighting the AFC been fighting in the AFC over ten years now That's mainly what I do about background. there's a long story. I guess I come from a pretty standard Middle American background. I'm very small town My life kind of went the wrong direction. got into drugs. How call partner stuff found martial arts and that's what turned my life into something positive? I was pretty decent abiding so just pursued that as a career and I am very I mean you have a very inspiring story Matt. And how old were you when you became a father for the first time and had it becoming a dad kind of change your perspective on my I was thirty years old when my twins were born Gosh you know. I don't know how much they changed my perspective on life but it certainly Changed Oh my life started. Caring more about like as I got Start wearing my seatbelt and you know not staying being out all night and Yeah didn't wasn't trying to skydive anymore. You know just little things like that. It wasn't my perspective is always always been pretty similar and that's You know I like my whole my whole life. I've just always attacked everything relentlessly as hard as I can. And that's that's I don't do anything different today Found obviously I found my positive ways to channel that energy positive things to attack but You know none of data's ever really changed the only thing that really changed was What in sort of a what my mission was and sort of what I was going after after You know and just with the kids I it turns into a lot at stake or things things. That just aren't quite a risky in my life. Because I want to be there for him. Yeah very well said and becoming a dad that kind of have any influence on your fight career. As far as which fight you take or how many fights you would take Is Not no. I've always to be honest. I've never even thought about whether I would or wouldn't take a fight in except for the past like two years 'cause Zaib had an ACL surgery. And I just wanted to make sure that that got completely taken care of my own gym. I hear so. That's a lot of time out out of my day but for the past you know I don't you know nine ten years before that Yeah I I've never even Questioned whether I'm taking five they just called me and I just took okay very cool. Yeah and and I know that you did you struggle with drugs and alcohol earlier in your your life. What was sort of the You know the incident there where you start to turn it all around and what was your discovery into Mitch Martial Arts and all that the genesis of it Yeah there was There wasn't one single incident. They change everything I had some pretty major incidents in my life that I could talk about it. Certainly sparks and different things. But I wouldn't say it was more of a progression As Slow uh-huh progression moving from one thing to another Yeah you know that may be probably the biggest ones to be honest. This is when I had my first fight that I actually trained for. I was prepared. I was ready and have people like in my corner. You know like I had a few before that where I just went and just I thought it was many years ago. They didn't have athletic commissions. It was different. You know you would literally just go fight and you had to pay to fight you know the way different world but finding out how to fight my like my. My Dad came to it. My my brothers came to it and they were all you know. Cheering me on. So there was this immense pressure and I was scared Adema Adema freaking mind and that's when I kind of fell in love with it right in I before. There wasn't really no pressure like I was usually doing some drugs just like before I would fight and It was you know it was kind of underground different things you know kind of underground style so it wasn't really this pressure but that's the first time that I had a fight that I prepared for I have family there as in front of a lot of people's professional stage There was a real fear that set in. And there's a real consequences to winning losing That was probably the biggest moment where I was like. This is awesome. I love this and I want to chase this. Yeah yeah that's incredible. What what kind of advice do you? You have mad for the game has changed so much since I got into it but What kind of advice you have for parents out there now whose kids you know? They're really turned on by watching. UFC and emanate mm-hmm. And they're they're looking to getting into it professionally themselves. But how would you kind of tell those parents to steer to kids. It'd be the same as like I tell guys. Is it coming to my jim on day. One and they wanna be fighters I tell them Be Martial Artists. I that's really what's going to last your lifetime. Reagan learn lessons. You learned some leadership. You'll learn some discipline All the things that will make you a better person You know we're big at my gym Developing humans first athletes second And those are the things that lasts a lifetime for for people. So that's what I try to push But I WANNA pursue it as a career. It's a tough GIG. I wouldn't really suggest anyone pursued this specifically career I would say pursue the martial arts and if this happens to if it happens to segue into a career inviting then you you know then so be it You know I would say like do some wrestling or or you know whatever Jujitsu Moist high whatever you know martial art and and then You know learn how to compete. I and things like that and then you know. See if if if mixed martial arts cage style fighting is the right thing for you yeah very well status rain advice there and and what type of Bo. What disciplinarian are you as a father when it comes to you know? I'm sure that you're very disciplined in the gym in your career and what you do and how you train but what type of just putting are you when it comes to being a dad Well well I was a different disciplinarian before I had my daughter. Yeah you know. She kind of changed that whole scene all around You know she's only three years old. So she's she's a real firecracker so it really she's really really Changed my whole perspective on everything but with my boys you know the twin boys and they've always been really great They they haven't they've been easy kids so I haven't haven't had to deal with a lot of discipline Because they've just simply been so disciplined naturally To be honest I hadn't had to deal with it a lot now when I had my daughter. She's only three years old You know we just started kind of disciplining her a lot more and is it gonNA completely different job So you know. I'm very strict with her now for the longest time I certainly was Staff and just kind of let her get away with whatever but she wanted but she's getting that age where it's going to start counting so you know very very strict with her now You know the the I try I try to focus. It's mainly though Even with my boys and I think they just caught onto the quicker. The main focus is like action in consequence. So whatever action you take Achey knows your choice and then but there's GonNa be a consequence for it and maybe good maybe bad depending on the action that you take and and that's what's going to happen when they're Ah Will you know when they're free in real life when they're adults so I just try to put. That was like you have the choice to do. Whatever you WANNA do You're just GONNA get a different different consequences depending on your choice so so rather than just saying you know. Better do this or else. I say what you can do this if you want or you can do this if you want. And you make your choice then i. I'm right there with him I I have I have three boys and then we got our girl on the fourth try there. We didn't get around four. We'd have five by now but it changed Everything for me. I'm still struggle with that I'm still she's only five now and I'm still trying to Improve my Discipline Her yeah and I don't know how how bad bad the right word but you know how your daughter is my daughter. I we had to crack down on her. 'cause I mean she was super run through the stores could never every single time. Go to store like okay. It's time to make dad chase me every time we go to them all day. The airport She'd start cursing at the airport in front of people Get Stories I she was scratch. Other kids Try to bite other kids so I mean she's a real peace at work But then when I started you know really cracking down on her. And and sort of the Asha consequence thing. I was just talking about really store. Start sort of start implementing that with her and she caught on actually starting to catch on and she's calmed down a lot and she just started the first day of Preschool. Today so You know having something to keep her occupied something positive to keep occupied like that makes a big difference. I think and then Getting her into the martial-arts programs that are at my gym Certainly help out a lot. It's just You just you know. The energy just needs to be driven in the proper direction and she seems to handle it. Pretty well But it yeah in terms of discipline you know I try not to be a disciplinarian I try to lead more so and again really really focus on the action consequence part and And you know a lot of times it turns into discipline right if you're action consistently creates back consequence that consequences get worse and worse or they'll just accept it so you know Uh It it certainly can turn into a discipline thing and I try not to be that you know overbearing disciplinary neither. I want them to have the freedom to make mistakes. Yeah yeah very well said very important to their if you plan on having anymore matter you all done No don't implant have any more at the moment at least personally. I love kids. I like a bunch more. I don't know if I'd be able to. Yeah I'm right there with on that what what kind of Goals or plans you. Have you have any fights that you're training for now. What kind of goals for the future right now focusing mainly on building my gym We just our one year anniversary would be in about ten days. So that's really where the my primary focus is right now with that I'm might be fighting pretty soon though I don't know like I'm waiting on the word from the UFC I put a bill out there ready to go. I haven't heard anything back yet. Usually they're pretty quick about it so just kind waiting on whatever they throw them away. Okay and have you have your boys. Have they ever seen any of your whether it be live or or replay replay on TV youtube ending like that. or where do you think would be a good age for them to start seeing your. I know they've seen a bunch of my friends have been to a bunch of my five. So they've been in octagon with me after after five so yeah. They're they're very they're pretty involved in it you know. They come to my training all the time they watch me train You know I'll be going to pick them up actually Any any minute now. And they'll be and then they'll be training too so okay. Yeah that's awesome all right. I don't want to put your the last thing I wanna hit you with. Matt I love to ask all the data that I got on the podcast. What type of advice you half of that new father or about to be bad? He's out there listening. Yeah I think it'd be the same advice that I give any parent And just I just based this advice on my own observations and what I see a lot of people doing these days and And and what really comes out to about biggest Pet not too. Many parents are friends with our kids. And I think I made that mistake to and that's exactly what I think. I made the mistake with my daughter and I would give them advice to not not be their friend. Even though that can certainly be I developed it might be a parent I and I think I see the you know. The inverse burst way too often. And I don't think it turns into. I don't think that leads down a good pass. Yeah very well said I love the message. 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That was a first-class father. He is the former WBZ WB O.. Ring magazine and Lineal Middleweight. Champion of the world. His two fights against Jermain Taylor are two classics. The first most of which was named fight of the year by Boxing Writers Association of America. He is the pride of Youngstown. Ohio and it is so cool for me to say Kelly Pavlik welcome to first-class fatherhood good. How you doing? They traveled me on. Let's start right here. How many kids do you have? And how old are they two kids and my daughter daughter is the oldest. She's thirteen and my son is ten. Okay very cool. What type of sports or activities into you know Mike is Right now. My daughter. She's in She got path hip hop classical dance. Dance so she says she's involved in all that My son she paid baseball and tried other sports. Gymnastics My son He's you know off non playing what he wants but now you know we got him to that big Soon he's GonNa get into wrestling I play around a little bit with the Boston although I really don't want boxing So that's Kinda like Iraq You know it kind of let them choose what they want to. So yeah very cool. Laura Kelly please if you could just take one minute here to hit my listeners with a little bit about your background and what you do. Oh that's where I was a former red done That was a former no late world. Champion You know three three time world champion and You know so that was pretty much pretty much. Nah I mean to Jim's Have A podcast show. I do Also right. Now I'm gonNA process of doing an all-sports combine challenge from. It's great eight. The twelfth grade running that dropped country so other ball great on a lot of things. We gotta have done that coming out this week. Zayn plus which will be boxing. Learning you know. Learn from from a real champion and my partner partner is a former title Challenger and Billy Lau and he has a gym valley Naples Florida and it also have a diet plan. Nutrition Attrition Plan and recipes. Slow okay yeah like go on there. How did he can only heighten the experiencing becoming? How old were you when you first came a father? And how did the experience of becoming a dad kind of change your perspective on life. Oh you know I was twenty four when we had our daughter and it's really I'm sure other parents they have somebody wouldn't know it is changes the road in your role of big time. And what's funny about it. Was You know when I turned pro in two thousand and six six years before I had my daughter and my wife had my daughter and the ad Each the boxing was kind. Have liked you know. Yeah I WANNA be a real champion and and You know I want the fortune and everything else. That's probably goal was it was more so about mid up. Of course my parents and family and things like that was involved but for the most part like I didn't have doc much fair I didn't I don't know if there's maybe 'cause I was eighteen. Nineteen twenty but it was just kind of like I knew what I wanted was more for me though. And then you know Run my life that pregnant then it was okay. Well you know you know she's pregnant in and you know things. Are you kind of things going to change a little bit and but you're still grasping this my child and and I'm not really understanding standing. What's going on but the moment my daughter was born was crazy? It was like the whole aspect of my career change in the outlook and the way one about the career you know a lot of things came in by a twenty four so you know young young man and but now I know like health and and You know and whatever title and make the money so that my kids have best future as possible. It was a big goal so it wasn't so much about me making as much as to make sure they have. My you know my kids have and again like Steph. My health or the big issue nine worried about the health before my daughter was. Okay mom you know I'm young and not going to happen to me and if it does allow put after you have your kids you know. That's the whole thing. Just changes big time so I mean it's a big game changer. And and of course the worrying you know he's you still remain just about everything you know with what you're doing from academics to socialize that being out the being around the house interesting oh constant Making sure they're doing the right thing very very well said and did did becoming. Did that. Influence your decision to retire. Hire from boxing. Absolutely you know There's always things on professional fighters when they retire You know some are arches soon. You know you're kind of damned if you do damned if you don't boxing Your power to early because you had problems and issues and this and that and then if you go too long and you know head trauma and everything else well your punchy and everything else so it was hard but yeah absolutely First of all I knew I wanted to retire after I wonder World Title I was Kinda counting down retirement as a lot of other fighters. I'm going to be looking for the next night and I was fortunate with my father and mom and family That they were close with me and make sure that everything I made was put away and I was doing the right things and My retirement yeah. That was a big factor to me. It was like what good is money. And and having the belts and everything else that I one if I'm not going to be able to share them and enjoy them twenty years thirty years down the line and played a big role in my new on. We have you know First of all I I was done with it. I'm I I lost it a little bit harder. Sport and everybody knows boxing Lucent Dangerous Hobby Bad. I was the first thing. Of course yeah my kid. Yeah Yeah you've had an incredible career than D do your children and they re watched some of your fight then and all they fight Vance against. Yeah my daughter has she's Kinda you know She's a lady so she you know if you watch a little bit but it didn't get her attention She she didn't follow it much. She knows everything that I've done My son now He kinda gets those little spurts very goes to those. I I worry wants to watch me fight and watch. Some of my old fights run youtube and put them on so he knows he's always got questioned you know you asked about For the most they they know the career None of them live five still really young and I retired in two thousand enthrall so we didn't take advice or bring them around that thing. Oh my big take on his especially like even with social media. Mike and I don't think they should have social media. You're still young Thirteen or they WANNA talk to naked call on the phone or C in in school or whatever So I don't put them out there and I I didn't want my daughter. She was six when I retired. And that's my opinion. Awesome as you should be so. They didn't get the right but nowadays they wash up with Bill. Yeah it's amazing what we have access now just walking around the town we can watch fights from years ago. It's incredible that technology that we have available double Many kids are now. They have an interest in 'em may or Brazilian Jiu Jitsu just because of the popularity of the UFC Like what in European is a good aged for for a kid to start actually striking. You know everything we know now obviously would see the and all that stuff. What do you think is a good age for kids to really start getting involved? Who is a good question? That's a touchy I I know just So I kinda don't not exactly how I know at at a young age your most of your kids are not not hard but also time changing too. I mean 'cause a bigger stronger and faster To be a really good striker especially in boxing you know 'cause. USC ROAD is totally different. I got a lot of further. Do you see I know salads crazy. You'll see a lot safer boxes Reason being as you get hurt and USC they stopped the fight right away never actually really saw guys come down with a knee and elbow or whatever to hit you but in boxing you get you get your brain scramble. You got ten seconds and then if you made that in the referee thing sure okay you could go on getting punched in for another twenty minutes and maybe get dropped again. You Get up to ten And that's the danger a boxing at a young age. I'm not a big fan of which is the reason my son you know. And I know it's kind of like go both ways on this because I'm going to be training fighters and young kids and if that's their choice what they wanna do then Yeah boxing does all to go get kicked off up street. Give them some structure on life. I know I know that my son I don't want that and nine years old and even like football for these kids. That are playing tackle apple. It's a young Asian and over the years. You know if I actually but also the bad part about it is though that's also the best task AH boxing and striking get into. Because that's all you learn. That's how they get sharp as experienced and so so it's Kinda hard I mean it's a hard thing for me to really give my opinion on because again I I thought it could be dangerous. And at the Thelma I'm going to be trading kids though you know so I I don't know I mean I guess it comes down to the individual trainer. How many times they spot a kid and and then how many spicy has a young age? So yeah I mean it's definitely A you've mentioned the football there. That's definitely struggled for a lot of down here with kids. That are begging place. Contact football especially in grade school and I'm with you there. I think it should be at least in high school for the contract. Just because of the The amount of hits that they take and You know some of the stuff that they have out there. It gets Kinda scary now that we know some of the results and I agree agree. You know I I think a good thing they got is black football. You know these kids you get out there and you know excuse me learn basic so of the sport without take him a trauma to the head and even found on the body you know. I'm just in general and then I think maybe even and seven today's grade. Now maybe due to tackling so make you very high school like you know. Somebody's has six year old and a twelve. They played football and tackling. There's you know with sixty pounds or seventy five or eighty pounds helmet running full speed. Ah Eighty Ninety head you know. That's enough for enough for some damage. Yeah definitely Well Kelly what type of disciplinary Inter you as a father. How do you kind of handle discipline as a dad? You know. It's kind of funny that you bring it up being a former world. Champion boxer Mike my kids with me. They like me but they they take. Let me serious. They get mad. But I'm kind of one of the Get by you know back in the day you be wasting your baggage You know you're in trouble and everybody you know perked up and I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry Actually got the way you know when the Mama gets Once you know what she says the first time they listen Again you know like the big teddy bear But I do disappoint supply and it's hard for me because I don't my kids when I just find them. She eventually got to take something away from them. Or you know ground. I'm them or something like that. Sucks but You know we're not. She strict I I feel again just in my opinion. Sometimes you ritu strict the kids or they feel like they're not able to do enough so I'm probably leaning as far as being outgoing and having fun with their friends or things like that But you know school. Great that's the big one house chores around the house and they have to do that Respecting others and another Adults is a really big too. You know thank you yes sir. Yes ma'am I just haven't respect factor for people that's one ought to this day and age law that's lost so many kids really entitled Lupone. They pilots everything and they don't have to get apple. I strongly Put that on our kids to be by respectable so you just I think that the way it should be. You know that's what we're doing to kids And we've been fortunate. I mean if I have done very well in school. They're very polite We usually don't have to worry about them acting up at home and you know so. I think that just comes down to staying auto body. Yeah very well and another thing that has changed a little bit As far as today goes is bullying at school. I know there's a lot of attention more place watching watching out for bullying. I know my kids and their school. They call it roasting now is really like way. They kind of sidestepped around it. How do you go about telling your kids how to handle like a bully situation my life? You say once because the boxer does come up on our part She she had that You know I it again. You know we don't put your hands on anybody because you're putting your hands on you and then I also talk to. Somebody puts their hands on them. That is Sergei at that point I didn't stand up to the boys because as the old saying goes in for era longtime hundred years the only way to stand up off you know and it's true to go in and even even if you get beat up but you put a good sign up he's not gonNA bother you no more A bully is the bully and I'm totally against it. I don't like it You know that's the one big thing. I'm really guessing the bowling and again this day and age engaged because everybody everybody is you wanna be treated but if somebody tries to arm on your face I onto you know. Can you still like. They're getting in your personal states without even much. Do what you gotta do because the First Punch could be the last month caused serious injuries. So do what you got to protect yourself. Don't let people walk on him and we do with that it again. My kids have been in trouble more school. Teacher's courage teacher Princeton. I love our kids and tell us like they. Art My daughter ranch. Little bit of Boeing. I sorta you know employer Marquette. I can't avoid her she you know I suppose me hammered pass able go talk to the teachers. She's done that you know. We probably got to work out eventually. Came to career if he starts getting in your personal space and then you feel like right. I said maybe you're trying to take care of it and You know we we. We worked on that part of it and it never came to that. Thank God yeah and you know got resolved all the way it is but was willing. I do not want all my kids being cocky a lot like being bullied or or Starting anything I just want to go about their business and have fun with your friends and if they get bullied or bullying going on we always tell them you know stick us get bullied Don't get involve like point or somebody's boy. You make sure you detect stand up so I I think that's great advice. I'm going to think that's so scary about it. Now is that it seems like most of the bullies done in a cowardly manner like on social media and we see a lot of kids that are the cyber bullying and it really. It doesn't. That's a real number on their mental Of Capabilities like it is Sarah. Bullying social media is the first thing I think for kids and I don't understand why I mean really. You're you know social media. The original purposes. Social media was people were talking. You know an adult dating or military people who want to be in contact with people drug that they went to high school things like that. I mean I believe social social media is for. Now there's a topic everything else and you get these young kids to raise I haven't fully Warm yet and develop and they get on there in the bullying gets worse and then it spread to valley high school or their classroom. Now three high schools in that area you Orange County and now it's spread at the you know all over the place and was just on social media. It's not like it was in the classroom like biscuits knows you got a big other than years of age. Now it's all out there. 'cause they're screen shot and they're spread all over the place on the Internet. It's there forever you know. And I think that's worth really dangerous and for parents not to have access or know what's going on. I call bs on that. Because if you are all your social media and I'm not knocking any curve for that. Millions of parents have lesser on social media. So there's nothing wrong with that but I think that some of these parents that are not under his social media watching what you're doing for the Viggo safety also so and monitoring that that social media does that that's Different ways of monitoring and I think that plays a big rolling cyberbullying really. Does I think it can be prevented. I can be stopped and it just falls on not so much you can eh parents. Yeah I mean that's that's the truth and I'm sorry I mean fall in that category if you don't check social media and I don't know what they're doing because we all say my kids and Angel I still am. I know my kids are great but when certain things happened the first thing I do is ask my kids go somebody else. That was there and asked him before. I take my kids word. Choose because you know how this weekend I think terrorist is. You know like like you'll never never do that and you don't have to check their social media. Well maybe you should you know because obviously there's a lot of power oil kid happy somewhere. Yeah I couldn't agree with you more Kelly and it's it's definitely something I mean. My oldest just turned thirteen. So we're just at the beginning of the teenage years year and and it's just a kid even if it's not your own just getting into the school and having said that has a phone on monitor unchecked. That means they can just get on getting anything. They have access to so much that they shouldn't have access to and it's really you you can't stop it. You can only try to well you know. Teach them a little bit as ads. They go here absolutely. And you know it's tough to get a social media and it's two thousand nineteen that's the way it kind of his book had again it falls on on the parents at that point If your kids doing that and they know there's there's a lot more suicide because of that and and kids are just just a much worse on kids like I said because now it could talk all night long and it could be people now you can have hundreds of people involved laughing importing fingers and picking on you and not only. Does this high school know about it now but this other high school because this kid's spreads with these people from this you know so now the entire county city and town knows you know around that age group. This is happening. This can get picked on a male off on Astros dangerous and you know that that could be prevented. It really. Can't it could be stopped and you know. Do stand up to that. Yeah definitely and what did you tell me about your podcast here. What was the genesis? The punchline punchline with Kelly Colic and James Dominguez is often show and we talked. You know we cover fights in and we talk from as far as prospects To rule champion five championship and it's really neat format how w asset up We were like when you watch it. It looks Kinda tacky because our our phone. So we're one of the few shows were our shows based off of the fans and listeners. Question in common so we pretty much stay reading questions and comments like we'll start off the topic topic or about a big fight that may happen and then we'd just let the listeners. You know. Throw their questions than answer about their or their opinion. I think a Lotta Times even when we were growing up or even. Now listen to show you something. You agree or disagree that you WANNA put in usually you gotta call. Oh and if you get lucky enough to get through or you can't call in as we're our show that the people who listeners like talking and interacting with us and that's in questions and being able to help us answer a question and it's almost like just watching on TV but being apart like you're there because we're asser questions so it's pretty neat. Yeah that's definitely one of the benefits of the technology to interact now with the listeners. I find that to my podcast. Just the access but you have to Get down to that level like you said you're right. It was so restricted years ago. Where if you wanted to call in you got that busy signal and that was all you got so what I'm Gonna I'm GonNa include take a link into the scripture this episode so my listeners can tap it and get over to your podcast what kind? What kind of goals or plans do you have your yourself and a future Kelly right now? I'm busy and parenting. You know. That's that's the biggest thing is trying to make the time you know just the most of my my kids and when it's not they let me know to like that we've been gone You know I have a gym rate of about fifty minutes from my house. It's a fitness gym. Had that I'm in the process of opening a boxing gym Favorite right by the house in the same town again. I'm doing combine and for young athletes to seniors in high school is going to really benefit them also You know I had this APP stuff coming coming out and if that so I'm really Kinda all over the place and Then again my kids you know I my wife. She's only one person so she has one kid I dance and she's getting dinner ready or making sure all the school stuff I gotTa Kinda come reliever leave her. Pick up my other kid and take them just to do something with them. So it's a pretty much UNA- goto about nine o'clock at night. Hawk Talk I. I'm able to sit back and kick my feet up in usually go over there so social media my The punchline paid for by cast an astral question 'cause we keep content all day long and I just take care of some of that and I tried to get in bed by eleven and a lot of times. I try to find time. This is very cool right last thing. I'm GonNa hit you here. Kelly I love to ask all the dads get on the podcast. uh-huh what type of advice do you happen. New Dad or for that about to be father. WHO's out there listening? And they're like what my parents just say. Enjoy your time with them because it goes quick. They it's actually scarier and I know you know what I'm saying. Is We get overtime GONNA go faster and and you know I'm thirty seven now. Just how fast is going out and I definitely notice when we get faster and try to cherish the moments and you got because it goes really fast so yeah well I love the message. There's been an honor for me. I gotTa say Kelly Pavlik your last father. 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Use the Promo Code Father and save twenty percent all right joining me now is a first-class father other he is known around the world as a wwe superstar he's also a former arena football league player. He is the author of a book. Titled There's no such thing thing as a bad kid how I went from stereotypes of prototype. It is a big honor for me to say Titus O'Neil welcome to first-class Fatherhood is very much all right. Let's talk here. How many kids do you have? And how old are they. I have two sons. They are thirteen and fifteen years old. Okay very cool. What type of sports activities? That ain't too They play pretty much every sport of football basketball track and and Soccer okay now. Did you get involved with coaching. Any other teams that you step back from the sideline I hope I would coach them as well. Okay very cool all right. Please just take a minute here to hit my listeners. What a little bit about your background Well I'm Forty what a two year old college graduates from the University of Florida football player they're also played some arena. Football all is well and come from very humble beginnings my My mother was raised at eleven years. Old had well which is in my part of that can be found? Look read about him on both I grew up pro-poor went to a place called the chef's boys ranch and it was there that my life changed for the better. I heard a sentence two sentences long. When was that there? There's no such thing as a bad kid which is the title of my book You know a gentleman by the name of passer no telling me that we love me and that he believed in me and told me that he believes in me at the time that everybody else thought it'd be dead or in jail. By the time I was sixteen so Went from being underperforming De yes in school being an honor roll student and honourable Say Person Simply because of the love and support and attention that both that invested in me had nothing to gain return. Yeah you have an incredibly inspiring story Paddison. How how did the experience to becoming a father? Kinda change your perspective on life. Well just I mean always knew if I wasn't wasn't anything else just based on my childhood not growing up with a father and not having a male role model in home that I could look up to I always knew that I if I if I accept anything else it would definitely be a bother The low that always wanted to be in and so it didn't really change my perspective. Fatherhood it just helped me and break Amanda a lot more understanding the responsibility. Not just suspend chemo say And being able to The Healthier Hotel or two now now in the right direction and I can be the biggest way that I can do Illustrate that is by the way I live in the way I walk and talk. Yeah you we definitely have become someone who has provided a lot of services to other people just through the time that you dedicate and one thing I speak about a lot on my podcast about the fatherless crisis that we have even our country which I think is the biggest problem that we have right now and just going by the statistics. You know From what I see. It has devastating results in our society. You see it on a personal level helping out so many kids. How bad is the fatherless problems from what you're seeing? What effect is it having on on our side? Well I think it all depends on on what demographic people you're talking about you know in the black and Brown community It is very detrimental and uh actually tournament the whole lot or a lot of kids Because they don't have that problem with male role model in the hall but overall I I would say that you know I used to have this notion that one of our biggest problems in America or in the world is their lack of males a positive male leadership or The ball over there as time went on I realized I was raised by their mother. The only thing that my mom the never do is teach me how to be a man And I think that there are two Same they're same sex home that are you know raising successful families and being able to make things work in a positive way. They're a single parent families. That gotta doing amazing work But to me as far as my life and how my life was impacted always always a mentor or coach and a lot of them were males and They serve that kind of bothers tickets to me and so I wouldn't say the greatest crisis on in the world because we come in not having a father at least somebody some people's combines not having a home or not having something I think it's much more detrimental to bike and growth than not having a father. There'd been a lot of guys and go out there that have been raised as by single parents turn out just fine and But if I four years there has been a you know. Sigma you know for some women that you know they can. I don't need a man. You do Eventually you will at some point Because there used to be a male and female influence on everybody's life I feel Everybody can have motherly cut. And everyone can gotta have a hair and so we all need. We all need some people that we can talk to and grow with and and lead us in the right direction to beat the best human and being. I think that mail that can do that very well. Said and how now growing up without a fight a lot of us I dance. We kinda draw from our experience the way our fathers disciplined us. We're growing up without a father figure in your life. How do you handle discipline? What your voice completely opposite than why that when I grew up with because I my discipline will usually came in the form of physical punishment and thinkings and weapons and things like that. I don't I don't I don't I don't do that unless I absolutely have to do. And fortunately I haven't seen my kids or my kids and they were maybe you know three and five The only thing that would draw me spank or hit my kids the bullying somebody over disrespectful to somebody or whatever you know found out that they heard somebody incentive. Emily then. Yeah we would have a problem but I think my kids much like many kids and even adults If you have a certain mindset asset immune to women's got physical punishment. Well didn't even meal I'M GONNA get a weapon My kids were more afraid. Braid to disappoint me than they are of getting work and they don't WanNa disappoint me and I and vice versa. I don't WanNa disappoint my kids At all AW. I don't want to embarrass my family in the least bit way. That's why I try to stay away from being a position where I would have to pander to them. Uh Yeah very cool and I know right now. There are a lot of men wanted dads out there that would like to contribute and help out and maybe get give some of their time to Less fortunate kids. What is the best way you can recommend any dad or any guy out there? That's willing to try to serve others to help kids in need. What's the best route? They can go To get that done. I would say you could definitely started any local wives as boys and Girls Club Organization the local public school going to figure out a way to coach a mentor Churches you know always is outreach. Programs that can help Foster better relationships in Boston relationships for Only male role models for female role models as well so You know I think that anywhere you go with. There's a need. There's an opportunity for you to serve that me and so the schools. ooh You can never go wrong churches. You never go wrong and local organizations nonprofits pets and kids you can never go wrong especially in underserved awesome and what's next for you w. w. e. superstar career. What what's what's next goals for yourself in the future Definitely want to be in Hollywood. So that's the goal that I have of doing movies and On television so we'll see that that's something. I'm definitely working for. Awesome all right. Last night you would hear Titus I love to all the DADS get on pocket. What type of advice do you happen that new dad or not? I'm bound to be bother. WHO's out there listening Or the new debt. I would say just try to live live. Live four kids not through your kids a lot of guys you know. They try to have a son and tried to force them into sports and make them do one thing or the other artists whatever they started to direct them in the past that they went and I would say just live your life in the low end and do everything you can to foster a healthy and and happy environment and an open environment as well when your kids ask you questions answer. Don't you know say because I said so. That's not an answer because especially if you don't answer questions that they ask you they're gonNa have to someone else. That may not give them the right information. Yeah very well said I love the advice. There's been an honor for me. I gotta say Titus O'Neil thank you so much for giving me a few minutes of your time on. I laugh out of it. Just a thank you all right guys. Many of you have hit me up saying that you would like to start your own podcast. I am telling you right now. Anchor is the easiest way you to get this done number one. It's free. I have never paid a dime to publish any of my podcasts. And their creation tools. Allow you to record and edit right from your phone or your computer under anchored those all the distribution as well so it can be heard on spotify apple podcasts and many more also you can make money with no minimum listenership. It's everything you need to make podcast in one place. What are you waiting for? Download the free anchor APP today or go to anchor dot. FM to get started right and joining me now is a first-class father. He was the ninth man inducted into the UFC hall of fame. He defended His light heavyweight championship title. Five Times he is the CEO of punishment athletics and he is known as the Huntington Beach. Badboy it is so cool for me to say Tito Ortiz. Welcome too. I glanced fatherhood. Thank you much man. I appreciate you spending here. How many kids do you have in how old I will have three boys have? I have Eight dollars seventeen year old. Just turned seventeen and twin ten-year-old. Wow very cool. I have three boys and then I got the girl myself. Yeah you all Donnie. I need more chance for the girl here three times my chart. I'm okay with three boys man. That's it that's all I can afford and That's all I wanNA invest my my time. So they get all my attention in the most important thing and I'm lucky with boys so I'll stay with us boys okay very cool. What type of sports activities go into? Well my oldest has been wrestling Since he's been six he's actually at the national tournament right now in Fargo For wrestling and my two young ones that are Chan. They wrestled from five years old until nine and they just started doing kickboxing. So I switch it up on Just 'cause they've got a little burned out of the wrestling because that is top. It is hard but You did get a little different aspects of summation and everything and Little respect martial arts side of it. Yeah that's cool now do you. Do you teach them the stuff you coach them. Do you kind of step away and let them have other instructors and coaches. Well I I I teach them moves once in a while but they don't listen to me and it's Kinda crazy in the body of being a world champion you'd have world champion bothered you. Turn learn everything from them but I just think that father son attitude where a coach. He's a step in the middle of their to be a coach. And let me be a bother. I think that's really important and When it comes to like Strength and conditioning stuff hyper surely do that with them. Because I'm able to push them. They listen to me so it elps but there is times I do show moves and I watch him during a training and it'll pull them move off the coach. Where did you learn that from my dad? Show I kind of find the happy medium between where I'm not being over bearing father Trying to be the coach of all time so I gotta give a little little positive reenforcement names that they do to keep them going. That's awesome all right. You know please give me just a minute the hit my listeners. What a little bit about in background or what you do well of course Giorgis from Huntington Beach California from the age of six years old Lincoln beach from six to thirteen. I live in Santa Ana which is a little inland of speech. A little bit Poverty in the area I lived in a motel my parents. My parents had a drug problem with heroin Mother got sober when I was thirteen. took wave my father and my father pretty much Just was absent. He Still to this day Then he's eighty years old home and I just try to be the father. My father never was and now i. I've worked really hard to get ready today. twenty two years of mixed martial arts career. You know I watch into the wrestling room as a freshman in high school and ask the coach worse the ring and expecting gene wrestling being the same thing. WWF or wwe. Now and it wasn't and I was I bagus for the first time and I got to throw kids around Donald. Like I'M NOT GONNA get in trouble for this right. No you actually get points for it so I was taught my name. Is Jacob in Kinda funny story in the Bible. When I was funny sorted by myself in the Bible Jacob Wrestling against an Angel Angel Status Life beat them and restaurant is what saved my life dance with me on the right guidance and doing the right things to get me into mixed martial arts and keep me in school and I got an eighty degree. I was a semester. Mess away from getting my bachelor's degree but I found this new sport called Alternate Bonnie Championship. which is mixed martial arts and became a world champion after a year and a half competition so I was an amateur when it first started? USC Thirteen may thirtieth nineteen ninety seven. I never before ever on the first time uh for free because I want to lose my scholarship for wrestling while in college. So Bob Free and it's not my first twenty seconds. Excuse me thirty seconds and then I found myself in the finals against the guy who was a fighter I was beating on. They stopped by stood it back up and gave me the right hand. What's IT GONNA take a shot on which is a takedown and he communist joke and I had the tap and I was hoping that phone out on you know I got attention like I never got a chance? Attention before as a kid. just so many different things that I wanted to be a champion at mixed martial arts and it took me about a year and a half to make that happen in Iran For five years undefeated with five world titles back my twenty year career and I'm very very lucky because of the hardworking dedicated I've had in my life I've been able to Be Successful and changed my whole mentality of life. Change the Home County of being in a bother Being a patriot of our country. And it's giving back in trying to do anything possible to show my children. What hard work and dedication can really achieve the mice? And I'm I'm thankful for it because I kind of taught myself. I'm a lot of things life. Learning things Myself but you know of course watching movies and so forth and I just watch me for the excitement watching movie for the understanding or the thesis behind the movie The What would it really was about with the message? They're trying to sit down during the movie and I've understood what love and eight and you know respect acting values and things like this Through films which is crazy but Through life in general now it'd be forty four years old I rushed off. Tarnish shift came that As built up through the years but now life is very big rated. Should wear now. I'm still competing competing. I'll be fighting in October and You know life's been really interesting for me. It's been a a complete rollercoaster. I've seen the peaks Mike no other and I've seen the dooms valley like no other but it seems like kind of bounce back through hard work and dedication and always doing the right. The thing making sure I don't step on anybody to get ahead and just be respectful and be a page here of our country and be thankful for the Government we are excuse me. The country mentioned we live in and I I'm just. I'm thankful I'm very very proud of you. In a American was the Mexican descent. My father other fifth generation here in California. Yeah I mean no doubt. You've had an incredible journey here. It's you know and it's funny. You say there too about how movies they do. have an impact on on shaping a certain parts of your philosophy and certain parts of your life and I think that's one of the reasons I talk about a lot on the podcast. Is that right now. There's such a big father less problem going on in in our country and I think a lot of it comes from the way the DADS portrayed in movies and on TV kind of puts you in the mindset of these young men before they get into fatherhood that you know it's the end of my life life Now my my whole world is over. I'm not GonNa have any more fun. We always see the dad. That guy who's kind of always getting kicked in the ass never gets laid. He never has any fun. So it gives them this False image of what fatherhood is truly all about now and you grew up here with a little disconnect from your father being in your life so how did becoming a dad kind of change your perspective on life. Well I think it was more of a fear tactic than anything I was like. Oh my gosh what would I get myself into. And you don't have the point My ex wife. Kristen Well I was with. She was like you too. We have a kid or I'm moving on and My mother wasn't really there that much for me and she kind of had a mother figure upon me as my girlfriend. I mean Just as a kind of Image of someone who she always tells me out you know. Whenever they had hard times she always had my back? I mean how my girlfriend does now. I mean I never really had that growing up. My parents are always absent. My parents are getting high. My parents would never there. They never showing me. That seems to become a better person or just They let me do whatever I wanted. I have free reign or whatever I wanted to do. But when I was with my axe Christian she told me like. Oh this is the right way to do this. You that go Do you want to be a better man. You got to do that and I don't WanNa lose that so I have jakup which was a blessing in disguise is because That's my older son Jacob. He'd Kinda changed my life I was the world champion at the time and I was. It's kind of going on that other route of you know I cheated. I partied all the time. I was doing things because I never had that attention as a kid Alverson being the world champion had attention. I had those things presented. Jimmy had those things opportunity and I kind of lost myself and I. It was always fighting with her. And I really didn't want to have that around my child Jacob so she ended up moving to Arizona And this is all for the future. Drew up my son and I end up giving her a bunch of money and saying please just take care of him. 'cause I WANNA be fifteen years from now and I'm able to afford anything and I just WANNA make sure three has a great future. And he has he has been today. Yeah I've been a part of his life Through then I the voice and I wish I could be a little closer but of course them living in Protozoa. I mean living in California it. Really hinders hinders my opportunity. To seem as much as we can but I just tried to be the best buy that monster cameras. Them and I was with Jacob. Ben I really just trying to make sure. I don't make the same mistakes that my father did you know or my mom Like I said that my father when I was thirteen years old and GM opportunity. She left the man that she was with for fourteen years who she loved very very much but he would get sober and she gave me a separate opportunity because when I lived in Santa Ana hung around gangs And so that was my family. They they they told me they respect us out to be tough and we didn't have cell phones and IPADS and xboxes back. Then you know we we through we'd find on the streets and you know different things. I probably shouldn't have did at the time but I had no guidance I had no father had no one to come right from wrong. I I had learn what was right from wrong. You going on juvenile hall or some of the older guys are in the game to tell me. Hey man you gotta watch you gotTa Watch that those things that I learned myself off. Yeah I think that's one of the biggest problems. That's why I say. The fatherless problems such as such devastating factor right now in the US just because without that died in I I know it's just a whole bunch of the Navy Seals. I think I sixty something percent of their community is by grows up when a single parent home and they didn't have a father but at least they got into a community unity where they had these Male role models to look up to which is much better than you're gonNA find out on the streets out in California and gang land. Well I mean it's true accusing is just. How can you break the chain? How can you break the cycle? I could have been like my father I coulda did drugs. I couldn't uh-huh I mean 'cause I dabbled into everything but heroin. I've dabbled in everything and I I've I've been able to keep away from it Thanks to my hey My professional career and my business career and my children but just because it happened here. I mean you you to continue to happen rate. The cycle break the chain. Change Your Life by giving your child what you never had. That's what I have my mind. My mentality is being a father you know and it goes all the way around. I mean my twin boys I mean it just so crazy how life just kinda turns out and rolls around My ex girlfriend Janet Jameson when I first started dating her. She's beautiful and amazing person. I mean just a person in general I mean what she did for her professional career. She retired at the time. We started dating so I didn't really pay attention to that and I'll look at people's history. I look for that person. They are at the time and we had fun. We did Vegas we. I mean we had a great tire thing it was great and then all of a sudden she's like I want to have kids like you're perfect. You're beautiful you're smart. You're outgoing linger. You're a smart business savvy. Woman I mean I loved her. I mean I loved her like no other. I was like let's do this. Let's start this family so I bought my home uh-huh and Huntington beach on the water. We ended up having our twin boys Jesse in journey or ten now and I thought I had the white honor the Beautiful House the White picket bits of it with the beautiful girlfriend and I was perfect because I was married one so I didn't want to get married again because once I got married things changed completely and I didn't want that to happen. I want things to stay fresh at. We're on the same mentality of just love each other and treat each other respect that it would last forever well. There was little hiccups that happen between that and drugs are a big Problem that ended up happening now. She used drugs during the pregnancy. As you continue to use after pregnancy I went through about three and a half years of just trying to fix her trying nine to help her trying to change their mentality of the party scene. And I couldn't do it now. I rewind this back to when I was thirteen and my mother had to get sober and she had to leave my father. My put myself in those same shoes. I had to get sober because I had to go to court and fight for custody for when my kids which I have one hundred percent custody of my children. She couldn't do the stuff the court ask her to do as you know Therapy we Drug testing things like this just to show that she could be a responsible parent. She never did one step of any of those things now. I have full custody of those kids because because I did all the steps and I was willing to sacrifice everything in my life and make sure my children had a great future. And I've done that. Now let's go ahead and fast dashboard. That history to now six years later where she hasn't been in their life at all zero no no visitations. Nothing at all. Because she's not willing to to do what the court ask now as a mother. She did that. I just could never even understand that the father of and I I got dead sober. I mean I didn't even drink alcohol zero nothing at all for almost a year and a half to two years just as going through the court stuff just to make sure that I showed the course that I could be a responsible. Father for these children's future and the safety of my children were number one and that's all I cared about and and I ended up winning. She ended up Not Wanting to follow the court house and I guess just within the last year she moved to Hawaii she has another boyfriend and a and a another kid and I really just Left it at that. If she wants to leave to that point. I'm GONNA be a good father other and I'm going to do everything possible Six years ago actually to August I met a girl Amber Nicole Miller There was a ring encargado for USC when it first got fine and we're friends. I mean nothing dating Area but just more of just acquaintance and six years ago we talked again and I was going through the troublesome time that I was and she was she was there for me. She supported me. She had my back. Jack and I learned from my Therapist that Tito stop trying to save your mom find some of the view and I did that and when I I met Amherst. She was my savior. She treats my children like her own. She we're both on the same page with education at our health way. D- you know when they read. I mean everything I mean. Education was never pushed on me when I was. I can't growing up ever read a book until High School. It was just like say never pushed on me ever now with my kids is. It's a complete three hundred sixty degree opposite where they read at grade level and they're only in the fourth grade. They're doing math left. I mean stuff that I did in junior high and they're doing it in elementary. They're smart Super Super Smart kids because I'm able to push them. I'm able to get get these things out of them that their brains are like sponges. Right now. they're observing the so much and my partner Amber she is on the same page as me. We don't bow back and forth saying well you should play Games are here. Here's an ad for him on his cellphone for them. Now me and her abstained. Even Joe ups from Apple he said that a kid under the age of fourteen should not have a cellphone that they are not ready got access to the world at any age younger at fourteen. So we're like all right. Let's do it and let me tell you. It changed my kids minds hundred hundred percent because when I was with my ex for the first four years of their life they had the IPAD. They played the game. They would have no conversation other kids and just with with a dog. Dogs or conversation with themselves are always playing games when now they don't even have that now. They're really outgoing. Where they introduce themselves to people they walk up and have I promise? I'll riding their bikes at the playground. They're going to the beach. No there's I have all these resources that they're able to be outgoing. Kids not kids that are just dwelled upon a cell phone or an IPAD. And that's all they're used to just that I mean the kids lose their social skills by doing that and I think parents Kinda are not doing their job as parents going to bring a child into this world you better be willing to sacrifice everything everything in your life that given the best opportunity of their lives and their future the best mirror of parent is their child. And then I can't can't be literate in that more than anything is the best mirror of a parent is a child because the parent. Let's channel do anything. It's crazy and just seen into trouble and so forth and parents really care about this kid. That much wasn't willing to sit down and walk them through it and explain it to explain to the child why they should not be doing not just say no. You can't do that because I said so. No don't ever say say no. Oh you can't do that because this this this this this is going to happen and this is going to happen and this is GonNa Happen. Explain to the child because they don't know anything they're running everything for the first time ever everything for the first time ever and whatever they see you do they're gonNA they're gonNA Mimic it. Hands the hands down and I I just I've learned this. I mean thankfully man when I was in college I take a challenge development. So I'm able to see how does a child's development to their her from first until six from six to fourteen from fourteen to eighteen eighteen to twenty four twenty four to thirty eight thirty six thirty eight around on there and then above on their own but just the development of the mind. GotTa make sure you're developing your child the right way and give them the right Tools to become great human beings to be kids or men who are going to get back to the side. I mean I have three boys that there my three men. I'm trying to raise man. I'm not trying to raise sheep for kids or little kids or babies or you know I I really stand my ground. All of my children have of showing them the right things that you know just Karma just Respect values Things what men should do and I think that's very important. Yeah very well said and there's no doubt there's a challenge right now with all the technology. It's a struggle for a lot of parents out there just because it's hard to tell your kids not to use the technology when all they do is see you on the phone twenty four seven so I mean there's definitely an issue with that And what is the relationship between your all of your sons your twins and your oldest son. What is their relationship like Religious they should really good actually They think God for face time they time each other At least once a week You know he comes down and visits at at least once or twice a month. He's actually coming out this Sunday. You'll be offered two weeks for summertime so I I wish it would be a lot more more. But they they love each other any streams especially the younger ones. They love them so much and it just really cool because my ex wife. She doesn't amazing job with my son. JAKUP he's he's a really smart kid and Hopefully gets it's a full ride. Scholarship registration not get sports But now the relationship is is is really saw with my my boys. That's for sure I mean we're we're all we're all Jay's I'm Jacob my oldest Jacob then my twin boys Jesse and journey. So we're all Jay's very cool because I know that I I think what a lot of single dads and one of the toughest decisions for them is like went to introduce their children to a new potential spouse or a new new girlfriend or something that's why at what point in your relationship with amber. Did you feel comfortable. Introducing the twins and Jacob It's amber It took him out good two months of David with her And there was a situation that happened. She's a model And and she had a big magazine Call Macarthur and I heard talking and sadly I come in. I shoot and they're gonNA offer for like five grand for the shoot and she's like well. What's Today's and Well it'll be Tuesday Thursday from eight. AM until four. PM I can't do those times well you can't. We need you for those times anytime you can do. You know why I I I really I gotta I gotTa be there for my my boyfriend's Kids make sure they get to school and back and this is my kids kindergarten. Part of this is like right after introduced until but this is something that I knew that she was a keeper. She was willing to sacrifice money and her time her scene to make sure my children got to school. I was like this is the keeper now. Not just the idea that I knew that she was a keeper. Now when I knew it was time to introduce them to my kids was. We're out on dinner and we don't Danner and I I hear a call from her mom Begin to our house and her dad called and her mom and dad or separated divorced and I gotta drop her off and she. Yeah my my dad. Just WanNa make sure I got home safe and I was like wow. This is pretty cool. This girl really perspective. I I've known for a long time. I've known her for like thirteen years prior and I was like. Wow this this this might be the one She wasn't a partier she wasn't you know oh crazy at all she really. It was just really down to earth and wholesome and wholesome as I mean by her parents. How her parents mistreat her is? I knew that she was the right one. Just because usually how the parents are just how you become usually not all the time just usually and I was like you know maybe maybe it is time and when I did they were attract door automatically like they. They needed that. Mother figure big time in their life and from that point out on and then six years August twentieth. It'll be six years as we've been together and she's been a part of the live She wakes up every morning with them. breakfast lunch dinner. I mean when I come from in training I mean she is the best mother for them that they possibly can ask for that. I could ask for and I'm very thankful and like I say I I think I just really want to find a woman who was down to Earth and understood the same things that I knew in life of Respect and values values and things like that because I always try to chase girls that I wanted to say on a safe to save my mom. I mean that's my. That's my therapist told me I really didn't understand it but I always had broken right wing syndrome. We're always trying to fix it. Fix vixen bird always trying to fix the birds that one. I couldn't do it. Yeah no it definitely makes sense and I know you have the The fight coming up here against del Rio What what can we expect to see in the fight? Will your kids attend to fight so I time to prepare for the fight. But I think it's time to let my kids All three three of them enjoy what it feels like to walk out of an arena when you have fifteen thousand people screaming and being on my television and watching your father compete because before it is my two youngest ones. They wouldn't only watch this fight with me at home sitting on the couch with me and my oldest he Started watching him when he was about eleven. I WanNa say eleven twelve on. TV Live and the Times. That I lost. You know he would call harming you'd be crying on the phone but like that. I don't watch the fight anymore. I don't like to see you get to get beat up and lose. I was like sinus part of life. You gotta get beat up. You gotTA lose. If I never lost. I never felt like to win and Mike. My kid does understand that now. Like I say he's competing in the national tournament in Fargo And in the Freestyle Division ended up going one and two but he still show up on Greco and and in a couple days. And I'll do better. And he's competing right now. So I say in life we gotta lose something to really know what it feels like to win and Against Alberto del Real. I I really think it's not particularly for my kids to be a part of something that's going to be fun. It's GonNa be exciting Bird I realized he was thinking about calling me out to fight me but I guess when other people call you out I guess you're still Relevant to the game it makes much alerts come out America which organised organization where you're fighting for our fighting under GimMe a offer that I couldn't refuse and the offer was alburto real. They said that he wanted to fight me and I was like are you sure is he. Sure and I I don't see the spike getting out of the first round I he's never find anybody like me and I'm like I say all right now. My mindset is just perfect clear-sighted sniper I'm like I don't know it. Just kinda weird during my career. There's been so many ups and downs. Sounds that when I was with my ex Girlfriend Janet. I was always dragged down so many times that I could never go into a fight. One hundred percent mentally array the compete. I told myself that but I really wasn't. I said that to my fan but I really wasn't because got drugs for the dirt every every single week after candidate during camp with my ex because she had her own problems and she always tried to reflect on me saying I'm the parent. I'M A bad father. I'm just like my dad Ed and always just breaking me down and go on to fight. You gotta be one hundred percent motivated gotta be one hundred percent there for the fight strictly for the fights and and that's when you do well and over these last six years I I've been doing this. You know I'm Foreign one of my last five fights heights. I really gone for surgeries ACL replace my left knee. ACL replaced my right knee. L. For five s wants us in my lower back T three T to teach uchi once he once he seven on my disc replacement C. Sixty seven sixty five disc replacement t five four fused in my neck and catch retina my left eye. Now this shows how much I love the smart work because if there's any other athletes have gone to ride gone through and still compete. They would still be competing but they're dumb because they're not mentally strong up to continue by. Hi doing it I do it because I love the sport I love to compete and I have a great surgeon and I. I'm very very lucky. And now that I have great companion with me with adver who supports me and who who has my back and I don't have to think twice about who's in my home or at my kids are being dead or you know. Just uncivil things up laundry being done or just small things. I mean we don't have nannies. They don't haven't had a nanny in six years. I don't know we don't have nannies. We do everything ourselves. We are hundred percent parents. And that's our job when you become a parent it'd become the job because that child's future is in your hands and that's what uh we really live by no matter what I WANNA make sure. Our children have a great teacher or my children goes through hard times. They know what it feels like to the pain of training or just have to do to do their homework no matter what reading an hour every day five days a week and they always do I mean I say they read the Nice way in the fourth grade is going to join these things so I can not a great father and the reason I share so much of this stuff on my social media because I want other parents out there who are single fathers who are single mothers or they have Companion that are just coming into the family of not even their kids somebody else's kids they're trying to figure out how the right way and I. I really don't think that it should be like a step mom or mom. I think it's a mom. Mom Dad the dad. You love the kid no matter what And you have an opportunity as human beings is is raising our tubs to be. That's what I'm trying to do. That's my number one. Yeah I I I love to hear you talk like that you know your voice and your presence is definitely much needed. So it's awesome to see you active on Instagram Speaking Truth and getting your message out there you're definitely a role model for dads all across the country here and and what type of what Kinda plans you have here or goals. Do you have your future beyond the fight. He's still looking at a continuing to compete. Or when. When are you going to consider hanging up on what's GONNA be next? Well you know I I. I think I signed to come to America I had this year in October. And I'll do one more fight and I think I'll be done. I think that about doing my sorted out of businesses Of course my business has a snake ninety nine flex but this is a clothing company punishment dot dot COM I have a management company. Primetime Sixty Damn people could see that on social media also I have have. Go Auto Group. Which is my wholesale auction? Business for. Wholesale cars I just And being an Basseterre for America's is I try to be as as hard working as I possibly can and taking the most advantage of this happened to me. No I'm chasing US American dream each and every day. I'm driving home from work right now. And I'm I'M GONNA go train. Get ready for the fight and I have more than one job. It's not like I just expect to make all my money out of just fighting because he's not gonna be there for the rest of my life. I understand that but I want to translate this into other things thank you know. I'm acting has been something I've been into for the last Four years more than ever. And that's another aspect that it's fun because they get the same. I'm excited that I do when I compete. You know being behind camera being on point and getting in character and and being that I and that the director wants you to be. It's hard it's difficult but it's repetition going over and over again but willing to film willing to mess up and try it again and try it in a different way and be successful by doing that. You Know I. I make mistakes all the time. I'm not perfect at all not even close. But I think making those mistakes six healthy through my life To be a better man and say I'm very open on my life because I was a kid who came from nothing and I could have been the kid that statistic that went to prison because of a drug habit or because of some type of Law that I broke but no I changed. Change the future rope the chain and I'm doing what I'm doing county and I'm doing I would respect values You know Just being a patriot of our country of America. I mean not just here in America but I think all around the rubber bands all around the world and just just being a good good man I believe in Karma. I'm not a huge religious person. But you know I just I believe in how you treat people's how you're going to be treated whatever you do on someone is What's GonNa come back on you and never stepped somebody get ahead? I think that's really important. Yeah very inspiring stuff you know you may have touched upon it here but the last thing I wanna hit you with love to ask all the DADS and they get on the podcast. What type of advice do you have that new father orphan that about to be dad? WHO's out there listening? Well that new father bound to be father CanNot be selfish. Do do you not be selfish with your own time But make time for you and your companion wife or girlfriend Make sure you out at least one day a week whether it's time for you guys get away from the Kid Making sure that the kid is with your grandparents George someone who babysitter you trust of course But you you gotTa have that companion time no matter what at least once a wing Well I chant be selfish. She can't put yourself herself before your kids at work a little bit different But just make sure you take a little time out to make sure it make sure the child understands. Wow you're why are you being the house. Why are you doing these things and showing the things that you're working to get to pay the bills education Russian? I think education is huge. I think actually should be pushed on the kids but like no other You gotta you gotTA listen to other people's vice this as long as it's positive buys always give your child positive reinforcement To them at a very young age until they're old enough to read made themselves. But like I say I can't press this hard enough is having your child read is really really really important and like I say they just just willing to sacrifice everything for your child. Sacrifice your life for your child bullets their child because they can't be but on this earth you'd WanNa bring him into this earth so once you come here it's all about them can't be selfish fled. Do they need what they need. Costanza father a stable stable mother and a stable relationship. You're not with each other every single day because the child gets affected that mess believe by seeing that stuff every day and yeah maybe in the other room but they hear the voices being yells back and forth in the cussing and this and that Another thing too is is don't trust that's funny your child I still don't every once in a while I'll slip up in conversation on telephone but I still don't cuss child. I tell my child what is what type of character you want to be. I mean they get an opportunity to play video games on the weekends and they all have the after earn him after on everything but when they do and they had their character. But how do you want to build your character like walling. I WANNA strong guy fast and and I know it's able to quit. Can I mean just like how you WanNa know. How do you want to build yourself? Well I WANNA be respectful and I WANNA have manners. You know I think thank you please. I think you're welcome and I said after you. And yes ma'am and yes sir and I mean I've never came from a military background at all but through the Times has that I've spent with the military since two thousand five. I've been Iraq six times and have an opportunity to meet some great men and women but I value value of respect is huge value. That you could ever have and that's what I teach my children So I think all the new parents are new fathers out there. There's just be willing to sacrifice everything for your kids. Make sure your kid comes first and don't spoil them making sure that they're able to fall all down a few times themselves before you pick them up you know and as kids. We'll we'll test the parents ages from when they could walk until about five. You know they'll fall down like still like they cry. And all of a sudden the mother of the find it goes and picks them up. Well that's becomes coddling and the coddling become one one thing after another after another all of a sudden there's sixteen eighteen. Twenty one is still living at home with you up. Twenty two ball themselves to go out there a- and learn how fish this world that we live in truly is because my children. Can I explain it to and I tell them I my older son shakeup explaining explain it to them and I tell us all the time he sees it by just Actions and I think it's really important to not only educate yourself educate educate your child to be respectful Human beings can give back to society. I think that's really really important. Yeah very well said it's a great message. I love the advice. I gotta say Tito Ortiz your I I plan father and thank you so much for giving me a few minutes personally. Fatherhood awesome and thank you so much. It's not those parents out. There always gets harder before it gets easier. But let me tell you you. You'll have to things for the rest of your life but I tell my kids you have your name and you'll have your word. Never break your word and always ever tarnish your name and I teach my kids this all the time I was whenever never. I say I'm going to keep my word with you. I keep my word with them that way so I make sure they don't lie they don't cheat don't steal those are important things because once again again trying to build their character and the person they looked to is their parents but they're the ones that around twenty four seven. Yeah very well sad very well awesome. Yeah thank you so much. Hey dads are you. Looking to boost your energy level. strikeforce energy has got you covered with strikeforce energy packet. You can turn any beverage into an energy drink. Their original energy packets contain no sugar. No calories just an explosion. Explosion of energy and flavor added to any beverage strikeforce energy is veteran owned and all their products are made right here in the United States. Co founded by Navy. Seal Sean Matson strikeforce. It's energy blows away. 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Okay yeah very cool. Do you ever get involved with coaching at all. You like to enjoy all that stuff. No no no I don't I don't I don't i. Don't do the coaching thing man. I I have some people that are really good coaches coach them. You Know The the Father Kid coaching things. Sometimes it works out but most of the time. It doesn't have seen a lot of bad bad experiences with parents coaching. Yeah I hear it all right if you could date a police. Just take a minute here to hit my listeners. What a little bit about your background? What you do My name is Dana. White I'm the president of the UFC ultimate fighting championship Me and my partners the for Tita Brothers bought the company twenty years ago and You know have been involved. I've been involved ever since we. We sold the company to WMD and two thousand sixteen. I think and I stayed on as an owner and You know president For the last however many years has it's been three three and a half years. Yeah it's been an incredible journey that you've had with UFC. About how old were you when you first became a dad day. How how did it becoming a father kind of change your your perspective on life? I think I was thirty one. I was thirty one when we had Dana my my first son and you know when you have a kid it changes everything changes the way you you look at life changes the way you look at You know what you want now. It's it's not about you anymore it's it becomes about them and I don't know it's it's it's it's the greatest thing that you can do. It's really you realize why why we're here. We're here to to become parents and and to raise children very well said and you've obviously had massive success here with making the UFC. Let's see what it is today but I know that goes with a lot of hard work. So what were some of the challenges of being a dad while building the UFC the biggest challenge and and being a father and doing doing you know not just building a business but whether you work or whatever it is is is is missing is missing things as missing Whether it's the play at school or their big game that weekend whatever it might be or you know them walking or whatever you know those those are the things that that that are. The hardest are missing things. I've been very fortunate and that you know. We have like the largest production company and and Nevada so. I didn't didn't miss anything if if I had to be on the road. Thank God for technology because I would stream games live or stream of play or you know whatever it might be I got to see everything So I think that's the toughest part and being a parent that you don't have to be building an organization and like the UFC. You can be a guy that has to go to work. You know every day and pay the bills and miss these certain amazing things in your kids lives live that You would rather see. Yeah Yeah right on with that and What about Discipline Dana? What type of disciplinarian are you as a father and is the different than the discipline style? You grew up with. Yeah yeah exact opposite of what I grew up with. You know. I've never beat the shit out of my kids. You know I've had the shit kicked out of me a few times when I was a kid and You know I don't think it it. It made me you know I. I shouldn't say that I think there's some you know the the the fear of the ASS kicking Might have made me you know. Stop doing something that that I was doing or not do something because of it but it wasn't wasn't as a father what what I believed in I feel like You know you lost a little respect with some of the the beaten that I took but You know I've never done that to my kids you know. And there's a certain age where you you know your kids don't fear you like. They did when they were younger. So it makes it a little tougher to to discipline them and especially my son aiden. Who who who was fought and and and trained and things like that you know he? He's too tough of that Shit He. He's too tough for me to try to play that you now that role with him so I just try to reason with them and and it works for some kids and others. It doesn't like my my oldest son. Dana can be reasoned with my younger son. My name is a little tougher to to To deal with you know 'cause much like me at a very young age. She started becoming his own on guy. There's just a certain age where your kids start figuring out who they are and who they wanna being what they wanna do or you have your kids that are confused and don't know who they are what they WANNA do. So I think there's different ways to discipline different kids. You can have the same kids grow up in the same house. Same parents same everything yet. Yet they're complete opposites and how you deal with them and How they deal with you? Yes exactly I got four kids myself and all four of them couldn't be more different when it comes to trying to handle them with discipline styles and everything else so it's incredible how that works out so true man and listen. Nobody has all the answers. That's all trial and error. And you try to do the best. You can You know for each kid and try to you know. Guide them in the best ways that you can and it just isn't. It's all trial and error. Nobody has the answers. Yeah and your kids obviously My oldest is only thirteen so I'm just on the onset of the teenagers here but you've already hit the mark where they started driving. What was it like the first time when your kids learn how to drive? If you've gotten a car you can yes I again. I've been fortunate because I I had a family up in Maine up in this part of Maine called event main and it's out in the sticks and You know we started drive. Even when I was like eight or nine my uncle would say get in the car and we drive you know through town and everything else. There's not a lot the police out there so nobody nobody cared back then so I took my kids up there. My kids started driving at a really young age. Like like my daughter. We have all this property and you know my kids would drive from one house to the other and so they got accustomed to drive in real young. which I think it's important to do in a city like Vegas or New York Chicago Boston and stuff like that but you know I had him doing it young so my son Tena when he started driving I wasn't too worried about it. He was a good driver. I felt confident and comfortable with the experience and the and the practice that he had had up in Maine and some stuff we did in Vegas to in our community you know driving around and then my younger son. aiden who seventeen now still doesn't have a license license. You know like I said two different kids. He had a sixty th birthday party. He got a beautiful car for his birthday. He could care less about driving Uber's everywhere you are his friends pick him up he could care less about driving so Those are the two experiences and again like most fathers. I'm more nervous. It's about my daughter. She's thirteen you know we've got a couple of years to go with her but when she starts driving that's the one that's GonNa make me nervous. Yeah right without my daughters my the youngest two out of the four. She's only five so ways to go there. But I drive uber on the weekend and I see it all the time I see kids that are older. That don't even have beginning. Bothered to get their license. And it's kind of mind belong to me because that was a big thing. Thought when you were a kid when I was growing up it wasn't the only thing you saw them. You didn't care about anything. Listen there's two things that I knew when I turned in sixteen. I wasn't getting a car but B. I was getting that license. You know your license was everything. When we were growing up it was your sense of freedom? Like oh you gotta driver's license you can do whatever you know. Even if you didn't have a car you got your license these kids today. Don't give a shit. It's the craziest thing ever one of the things that I noticed. Obviously the all the time when I drive them around is that they don't communicate with one another the head during the phone. I know you're one. Son has an instagram account. How do you Kinda Monitor and handle all the social so media and the technology we can Yeah that that's that's a great question you know it was. It was one of the things that my wife and I you know. SORT SORTA didn't agree on when they started to get older. You know they started wanting to be on social media and there's so many nasty people on social social media and things like that but I said listen. The kids got to get used to it. You know people are GonNa Talk Shit to them and say bad things about me and and and and you know whatever it might be but it's the future. It's it's where they're gonNA live and where they're going to communicate with the friends that gotta get used to it and I think it's gone pretty well. My kids are pretty level-headed. And they'll come to me and say hey this guy just said this about you and I'm like well get used to it guys. People are GonNa say a lot of things and They've ended up pretty well. Yeah I think twitter is the where I'm only been on since I started this podcast up and I think I've been on. Twitter is really where all the nastiness really is. The worst first of all of them are. There are some pretty nasty ones on instagram too. You know you're always gonNA have these. I call them nameless faceless cowards most most of them are people who have private accounts if you notice most of the stuff nasty comes from people with private accounts and You know you you have to consider the source when when you're when you're reading this stuff from people like that. Yeah definitely hundred percent I. What about as far as the fighters the UFC Dana as far as fathers go? Do you notice any difference in the guys that are family men that are fighting as opposed to that single guy that lone wolf fighter. Oh absolutely yeah a- and you notice a difference in guys that were single and had no kids and then when they end up having kids it changes you manage just it it just it does. There's nothing you can do about it. It it changes you in in many different ways and mostly for the positive. You know if you're if you're if you're a good father changes inches you for the positive You know I've always had this philosophy about people always ask me about my legacy and you know your legacy and and what I do for a living what I do for a living at the end of the day means nothing. It's when you when your life is over and you're laying there in that box and whoever shows up to your to your funeral shows up the only thing that matters and your only real legacy or your children and you know hopefully you. You've lived a life and done things right and they get up and say say he was a great father. I mean at the end of the day. Nothing else matters who you were as as an employee or who you were as a business owner or as whatever walk of life you chose to pay the bills the only real legacy you have and the only thing that means anything is what those kids have to say about you. Yeah very well. Have you ever done like a father's Day card. We have DADS on You know on the card No we've never done that but it'd be Saddam. There's you know there's a lot of fighters and the UFC that are really good. DADS and you know You know have families and live completely normal lives com- compared to what you would think guys who fighting the cage. I've I've spoken to a few of them here on the podcast. What about as far as your kids? When did you first introduce your kids to the UFC? And when when was the first time they actually attended two bites. I introduced them to the to the sport at a very young age and had them training at a very young age. You know when you have kids and daughters are no different You you know it's your job as a father to make sure that they can handle themselves and and You know can defend themselves. I think that's a very important part of life life You know 'cause bullying and getting picked on and all that stuff is real and it doesn't just happen to kids happens. The grownups a two and adults that you know Whether it's at work or out on weekends or whatever it might be it's it's a reality in life and it's always been something that was very important to me. Is that my kids. Learn how to defend themselves so they they were involved in this at a very young age but this is my love and my passion and what drives me. And what's me gets me out of bed every day. But that's not that doesn't mean that's what's going to drive your kids and like my oldest son loves football My younger son is at a point. Age where it's it's all about girls right now and you know and and hanging out with friends and my daughter. Has You know volleyball. And she loves gymnastics and things like that so you know. They haven't really fallen in love with the sport. The way that that that I hi am I in the way that I have in my life But you know which is great I I want them to find their own their own way in their own path and What what it is? It's GonNa you know. Fire them up and get them out of bed in the morning. Yeah well sad and you mentioned there you got one son. That's chasing the girls. How how did you kind of handle that when they started to hit that eighty and prepared here for when your daughter starts Yeah no I was cool with the boys. I don't care what they do you know. Ah Your Son's. It's whatever. My daughter is the one that I'm going to have a real hard time with Sherry knows that she's not allowed to date till she's thirty like like I said my daughter's five I'm already read. I got three boys ahead of her here. So hopefully there'll be a while before I'd have to get involved in anything. Yeah and you got three bodyguards. So that works perfectly take What about the? What's the future of the UFC Dana? What kind of goals or plans for the future They listen what's next for me. He is what's going on here. We're we're continuing to grow the sport and this brand and going into other countries. We're going into France this year this last last year we were we. Were we gotTA fight coming up and Korea and new market in Korea Moscow you know continuing to grow throughout Russia and the middle at least Africa is taken off for us because we have an African champion. The list goes on and on man. This this is what I love to do this. This is truly my passion and I'm just as fired up every day now as I was twenty years ago. So I'm GonNa continue to do this. My son on graduates. This is a senior year. He looks like he's GonNa head out and go to USB so Looks like I'm GonNa be spending a Lotta time in San Diego Over the next four years and whatever school my younger son decides to go to You know just moving on into that next chapter of my life With with my older boys in College Yeah Very High School. Yeah I got one going to high school next year to. I'm kind of bracing for impact with that myself. Herself but We we got to forty four this weekend here we almost. We didn't have what happened there. And how what do you expect to see here to speak in well. It wasn't as close the not happen as people think it was. You know things happen. There's there's other stuff going on with this card right now behind the scenes that the public doesn't know that we have to deal with. We always have to deal with some type of bullshit behind the scenes leading up to a fight And you know one of the things that makes us. It's the best in the world. Not just the best in the world. The best ever do it. Is You know we usually figured out in the fights go on whether it's the different opponent or whatever the case may be but You know we're used to dealing with this stuff. Yeah Very Kalani last thing I wanna hit. You would hear Dana. I love to ask all the data that I got on the podcast. What type of advice do you half of that new father or for that about to be dead out there listening? Well I think I think my best advice would be when you when you have a baby. It's always really hard in every sense of the word hard You're not sleeping much financially. It becomes very very tough you know it's it's very expensive but it's the greatest thing that you will ever do and it only gets better. You will figure out the financial aside and you will figure out Time and sleep and all that other stuff it just gets better every single day and it is the most rewarding thing that you can do in life there is never a right time. You know what I mean if you if you say I gotta wait for the right time. There's never a right time When you have a kid you just gotTa so you just gotTa jump in with both feet and roll with the punches man that works out and it's the most rewarding thing you can do in your life? Yeah very well. Santa loved him message. There's been an honor for me. I gotTA Say Dana White. I father all the way and thank you so much time I last fatherhood thank you. I really appreciate it. And what a cool podcast is one of the coolest ones I've ever did in congrats seriously. I mean what a cool podcast concept and I love it good for you. Man Continued success They take the time.
Puerto Rico Earthquake Recovery; An Oregon Rancher's Wolf Fence
"From NPR and WBZ YOU are. I'm Jeremy Hobson. Im Tanya Moseley. It's here now house speaker. Nancy Pelosi said today. The House will take steps next week to send impeachment articles to the Senate that was set the stage for president. Trump's impeachment trial. We'll continue to follow that. But we'll start this hour with the series of events that have led to the accusations that Iran shot down a Ukrainian plane by mistake killing everyone on board a week ago today a US drone strike killed. Iran's top military commander Mander in Baghdad. Iran responded with its own missile strikes on basis in Iraq where American troops were stationed hours later that Ukrainian jet bound bound for Kiev crashed shortly after takeoff from Tehran. Iranian officials deny they shut down that jet although the US and Canada have publicly said they have evidence to the contrary for the latest on all of this in the crash investigation. We're joined by the BBC's Joanna Fisher in Kiev and Jona what are Ukrainian officials officials saying about this today. Well it's been very difficult. Actually to get comment out of Ukrainian officials. I think they are in a very difficult position here. They we have a team on the ground in Tehran. That was sent there in the immediate aftermath of this crash on Wednesday and they are trying to do everything they can to make sure that that team who are in Iran at the moment get access to the crash site and to the debris that has been collected. I think they are concerned. -cerned that if they immediately come out and echo what has been said In the United States and in Canada an in Great Britain very firmly pointing the finger at the Iranians blaming them for shooting down this plane that that will make it too difficult for for these investigators who are now inside drawn to do their job said they'd been walking something of a of a tight robe yes definitely a tight rope. in a very delicate situation more than sixty Canadians died in that crash crash reporters yesterday press Canadian. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on whether the United States was partly to blame because this was all created by the volatile atmosphere miss fear the US caused by killing General Qassam. Sulamani is there at the same sentiment in Ukraine about that. Look I think the overwhelming sentiment here in Ukraine is naught again because you have to cost mind back five years to m h seventeen. The Malaysian airlines that was shot down in eastern Ukraine crane. Shot down by a Russian missile almost certainly by Russian forces with the death of all nearly three hundred people on board and I think lots of people here their immediate reaction was surely. This couldn't have happened again and not to our country Has Horrible echoes for many many people about what happened then and the idea that Once again what appears to be happening on the ground in Iran is that they going out of their way to make it very very difficult for a proper investigation take base in that once again echoes. What has been the experience of the seventeen investigation that Russia has done almost everything cancer trying and make it very difficult? This has been a miserable flashback for many Ukrainians to what happened five years ago. We also shouldn't forget that this is a human tragedy how are the deaths of that. Those Eleven Ukrainians resonating there. There's been a memorial setup at the airport. Boris Bill Apple which is where the plane was due to arrive lots of passenger cruise Of other airlines have been going. They're paying their respects. The president has also been. They're extremely the extremely sad scenes around around the airport on Wednesday and on Thursday as well the voss majority of the actual passengers on the plane and they weren't going to End Up in Ukraine. They were transiting onto candidature about one hundred and forty also Of One hundred and seventy six people on board the plane we're going to fly on later that day Onto destinations in Canada. Basically this route Was One of the most efficient to one of the cheapest pissed ways for Iranian Canadian Air Iranians to get from Tehran to to various places in in Canada I wonder to to what thoughts there are about Ukraine again being in the middle of this huge news story because the country is also connected to impeachment here in the United States involved in a military conflict with Russia as well. There's a lot going on in the world that really affects Ukraine. Your thoughts on that. You have to say that Ukraine rain has found itself once again in extremely difficult geopolitical position. this is a country that history is not kind to and Ah once again it finds itself in an impossible position to be quite frank in the last twenty four hours or so Ukraine's friends in the West have not not been particularly helpful towards it. It seems almost that Ukraine was the last one to have access to this intelligence from from the United States pointing to it. Being a shoot down I think it's only in the last few hours. Actually the American embassy here in Kiev has come forward and given that information to the presidency. Here that's the BBC's Jonah Fisher. Kiev Jonah thank you so much. Thank you well. As tensions rose this week between Iran and the United States dates. Saudi Arabia was watching closely. The country is a US ally and a rival of Iran. Joining us. Now from Riyadh is Vivian. Near I'm WHO's a reporter with Bloomberg News Vivian. Welcome thank you would. How has this recent flare up between the US and Iran affected Saudi Arabia? Well something that a lot let people forget because Saudi Arabia of course has in the past taken a very hawkish tone toward Iran. Is that if we're we're actually going to break out. Saudi Arabia would be among the countries that would face potential retaliation could actually be severely hurt security-wise economy wise. So what we seen during this last flare up is Saudi officials really setting a message far and wide that we walked de-escalation. We do not want to see this turn into a military confrontation you know can wiser heads prevail. And let's think about the risks to the region because obviously if there were to be sort of a retaliatory attack to one of the Gulf countries or Saudi Arabia itself that would really heart Saudi Arabia and particularly at a time when they need things to be peaceful when they need things to be good for their economy because they're hosting the g twenty this year. They're trying to bring in foreign. Investors are trying to bring tourist wrist. This is not the time when you WANNA have a war right around the corner and it was just a few months ago that missile in drone strikes on Saudi oil facilities did a lot of damage to oil production there in Saudi Arabia. Arabia blamed Iran for that attack. Although Iran denied responsibility do you think that the Saudis were caught off guard by the killing of Sulamani by the United States. So it's an interesting question because there have been a couple of media reports suggesting that Saudi Arabia was not Informed or consulted ahead of time But I it doesn't seem surprising that perhaps this was a very quick attack. That Saudi Arabia was not informed about was caught off guard about about It's interesting that you mentioned the attack in September because Saudi Arabia actually so just stopped short of blaming Iran for that attack which was really interesting at the time I and a lot of people took that as a sign of Saudi Arabia trying to de-escalate and realizing we don't actually want more so they did go as far as to say Iraq had weapons were used in they even said the attack was launched from the north but I remember being at press conferences where we asked them was around behind this and they would not quite go there they would stop short of that. Okay and and in terms of the killing of Sulejmani were the Saudis happy about it do you think or do. They think that it was not good for them. Well there's been a real mixture of feelings because on the one hand so Damani is somebody who is widely viewed here as a war criminal in a state sponsored terrorist who had caused mayhem around the region through proxy wars supporting militias. So there was actually quite a lot of celebration in the Saudi media and from Saudi pundits and commentators but at the same time you did see simultaneous kind of concern and worry about the potential for that to escalate into a wider conflict. So you saw people saying we're glad so. They money's dead but let's be careful that this doesn't turn into a war you know. I was wondering as people were talking about General Suleimani and the fact that he was really The military commander for all of Iran's activities what effect His death will have on the war in Yemen which has been kind of a proxy war between Iran and Saudi Arabia. It's a bit too early early to say but we've already seen even before his death steps and effort toward ending Saudi Arabia's his involvement in the war in Yemen thought at this point. The war in Yemen has really devolved into this complex civil war. You know merged with famine and this horrible humanitarian catastrophe. So I don't think we can really talk about an end to the war in an easier way but you do see that. Saudi Arabia does seem to be moving towards trying to disengage and trying to kind of end their role in that conflict which seems to be part of a broader strategy to take a step back from some of the crises and conflicts that the kingdom has gotten involved in over the past couple of years. Does it appear to so you that because of the recent of flare up in tensions that maybe there is a chance right now for the longstanding rivalry between Iran and Saudi Arabia to kind of cool down for them to move toward a detente. That's a very good question and something that a lot of people are asking in the region right now now for two reasons first of all because there have been reports of some sort of talks perhaps going on between Saudi Arabia Iran whether those have been through intermediaries perhaps add Oscar Pakistan or whether they have been more kind of tier two unofficial think-tank level engagements has not really clear clear. But there has been a lot of chatter about our Saudi Arabia and Iran. Actually engaging in talks over the past few months prior to this killing and then the second question is whether the killing of Damani Johny ultimately could perhaps open up some space for Saudi Arabia add on to have some sort of talk because he was a large roadblock in the view of Saudi Arabia and other Gulf countries towards any kind of negotiated when the Ron because they viewed his role in these proxy wars and it Cetera. Something they just couldn't stomach and now he's gone. Vivian near I'm reporter for Bloomberg based in Riyadh Saudi Arabia. Thank you thank you so much uh planet money is the mountaineer economists behind the carbon tax. It's the baseball player. Trying to get a pay. Raise the prisoner building a blockchain out of cans of Mackerel planet money from NPR. Litho now memes of World War three or showing up on social media this week following the growing tension between the US and Iran. Let's talk about that and more with Femi- me okay. Host of the Stream on Al Jazeera English who looks at the news through the Lens of social media with us every Friday. I for me Jammie okay. So the HASHTAG World War three has been entrenching. Some people are joking about this others. Don't think it's funny. Give us some examples of what people are sharing online. Let's not with a serious and the painful because we are news outlet Hamza says Hamza says I hope and pray that there will be no world will three because war is not a joke boys not a meme wise. Not Friendly War War is not a joke reiterates that and then you go on twitter and then you find. All of the jokes are lots of jokes. Lots of memes. And is it how World War three not the actual but twitter one got started. Physical gags about dodging the warping. Bad soldiers is being drafted a lot of them very visual and it's very telling about about where I'm mindset is for people who are playing online people who are playing on social but beneath the jokes people are saying online. And they're doing it because they're scared and I love this. I love this post from Alfredo. He does this on twitter so he posts a man trying to drink a bottle swift water the malaise in shock and his hands shaking and every time he puts his hands up to his mouth. The Watergate spilt and foudy says a Freddie says this is a little bit like everybody on twitter laughing at the World War three means and then basically suggesting the everybody is terrified but amongst all of that. Jeremy There's one thing I really wanNA pull out thea. The and they saves Jefford. He's a medical doctor and he used to work as an air force medical doctor so he says I've been to war twice in Iraq. You know nine Afghanistan in twenty eleven. I'm just an ER doctor. But it was there in the desert so far from home that I made my bones as a newly board-certified right you're dog and it's about that time. I lost my capacity to fill joy and in this threat. This amazing story goes on for twenty different posts at has gone viral viral. He started off with seven hundred followers. He's now got eight thousand seven hundred and so many new people who are now seeing the war in a in a all-seeing war you're not the wall but in a very different way because one er doctor says this is the reality. This is not a joke twitter okay. We'll just so we can end with a joke on this issue one that made me. Chuckle was Carrie. Bradshaw from sex and the city typing on her computer with the caption as our country entered World War three. I couldn't help but wonder. Is it time to focus on world war me very very. I tweeted that out of Jeremy House. Okay let's talk about something else than Puerto Rico. Earthquake earthquake magnitude six point. Four on Tuesday. At least one person died more than two thousand in shelters a lot of people without power. What are people Who are there where and are able to share what they've been going through on social media saying well when I first looked to this if it was not much going on because I was looking for earthquake Puerto Rico you have to look for the Spanish obviously obviously Hashtag Tambo? Pr Is the Hashtag to search for and you will see what it was like. When the earthquake happened you will see the damage that has been done a Monday? Hyundai annely posted this prayer. Puerto Rico a lot of people. Don't even care but I have been suffering earthquakes for the last ten days and this morning we were struck by another one please as make this trend is Hashtag Timbale. Pr From this morning from just a few hours ago. Ephron says these tent cities shows the pictures. Good morning owning my friends. This is the south. Puerto Rico you're seeing pictures of damage pages of before and after historical cultural sites being damaged and appeals. Su J. appealed this morning. She's fifty kids. They need pillows and diapers an art supplies and games and toys. She gives out the details and then underneath it all of the the the messages are Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun people were giving to Puerto Rico Okay we have one more topic we have to get to. This is Harry and Meghan and megs it who decided this week. They're going to step. They want to step back from their duties. Whatever that means and become financially independent? Whatever that means royals royals Here's how it played in British media. Listened to this extraordinary decision to break. The mold and step away left the royal family in turmoil. Spanish dramatic magic stuff. This moment isn't it. I mean basically as far as I can tell in this statement landed my inbox Less than ten minutes ago They are resigning from the royal family. Just thirty six hours later. Megan has gone back to Canada leaving her husband. Hurry to deal with what is quite considerable. Fallout quick considerable fallout. It's a shock. I know we're laughing because they're royals. But this is a big shot for the United Kingdom and people will earn the wealthy love the royal family. Think of that name of Chris Pratt. The actor looking shocked eyes wide open mouth open camera pushes in closer that is the UK right now. Still trying to recover from what has happened to the royal. Family's this is Hashtag attack Max. It and the country is divided right now. People are piling in. They all have their various opinions. For instance. Madame Toussaud's move. The status of the Sussex is away from the royal family and their little tweet. Said we've got to respect. Their wishes people having fun on at their expense. A little bit of Geeky going on as well to raise ASEA Brown says I have. He's grandma's Queen of Canada. So he's got Canadian citizenship. He could spot awesome Meghan. I remember she's going to get any to visa. So people really going deep into this but also on the more serious note people were being racist. People are saying well they need you to get out this shameless. There's debate about what happens to the British monarchy and so it goes on and on and on but what I was impressed about was they did this on social media. They did this on instagram. Nobody knew the Queen saw on TV. Or at-at about it. It wasn't in a discussion that was on instagram. S. Amazing and. I'm sure that is all going to be on season. Twelve of the crown. Whenever that? Twenty Fifty Seventy Jared Jack Valenti emme. Okay hosted the stream on Al Jazeera English. Thank you so much. Yes I welcome will. In Oregon cattle rancher Ted Bird's-eye has had some bad luck with wolves. The country's most famous wolf called are seven and his rogue pack live in the hills above birds is ranch over the past couple of years. The wolves have killed eight of his cows and two of his dogs. And there hasn't been much that birds I could do about it until now Oregon public broadcasting's just burns reports the piercing clang of metal on metal rings out across Bill. Maher ranch two hundred seventy five acres of flat Latte pasture about three thousand feet up in Oregon southern cascade mountains. It'll be done on this clear your afternoon rancher. Ted Birds is in a good mood greeting contractor. Doug Carpenter after months of waiting. His wool fence is finally going in. We'll they've tried. Hey down see if we can make it work. Hopefully I'll critters will stay on the right side rights especially the wolves. He says ranchers build offenses all the time. But this one is different. It's only five feet high. But Stout with metal posts and eight strands of wire. Half of them will be electrified or hot hot. But even if the power sometimes fails bird's-eye has confidence that will keep the wolves away. I just can't imagine that they would check the fence every day and go. Hey boy you've you've it's not hot today. Come on in defense will run. Three miles around. Birds is entire ranch pretty big experiment. US Fish and wildlife biologist allergists. John Stevenson has spent many nights sleeping in his truck out here trying to keep the wolves away. He designed the fence based on what ranchers in Montana have done to keep out out predators. You want to do all that we can have it. Have it works so we can keep the road pack out of trouble. The past couple of winters the grey wolves of the rogue pack have treated birds is ranch as a buffet. They've killed his cows in dogs. They've made him dread the night when those wolves had come in. You Jump John Pop and you go wolf I heard what are the dogs barking about you. Open the door insurance of gray wolves. This part of Oregon are federally early listed as endangered. And it's illegal to kill them. If I was where I could shoot wove. I probably would have done that already. The bird's-eye says he's he's been curious about the animals ever since he was young and killing. A Wolf here didn't feel quite right and I'd had quite a lot of contact with John already already and I've appreciated everything he has done and I'm going well that'd be kind of you know slap in the face. Ted's put up with a lot here you you know. He's gotten pretty frustrated and understandably but he's willing to try just about anything. That's that's what it takes. You gotta keep trying new things fish and wildlife. John Stevenson Evenson hasn't been the only person helping solve. Birds is wolf problem. The rancher has welcomed any help he can get school groups. Volunteers federal employees and environmental groups. I have already chipped in most of the time. Help has come in the form of labor or equipment loans but for this new wolf barrier in our next also in the form of cold hard cash. A three mile long fence isn't cheap and this one will cost more than forty thousand dollars. The funding funding is coming from a mix of federal grants. Oregon's Wolf Compensation Fund and the environmentalists ranchers like birds. I often feel at odds with on the wolf issue. Joseph Vale is with the Klamath Siskiyou wildland center. We have a lot of members and supporters and people that we could reach out to you that WanNa see wolves recovered. Well why don't we ask them and Actually pitch in and put some skin in the game on that. They'll organized a crowdfunding campaign that raised the final six thousand dollars for the fence project. Despite all the community help bird's-eye has received along the way some things he will have to endure. Loan like as cows. The wool fence will need to be cared for as alongs it's maintained and that's my responsibility. I can't imagine that it won't work ultimately building a fence won't be a reasonable solution for every rancher incher but birds is that building bridges can go a long way to solving a wolf problem for your now. I'm just burns After years of opposition from Republicans Kansas legislators have reached a bipartisan artisan. Deal with the governor to expand Medicaid. Here's Democratic governor. Laura Kelly speaking yesterday compromise is hard. It's messy and and it's slow but it is so worth it. Jim McLean is political reporter with the Kansas News. Service in joins us from Topeka. Jim Thanks for joining us. Hey thank you very much and let's listen here to Jim. Denning the majority leader who spoke at yesterday's press conference governing is all about somebody passed in lead and we have to get the s we have to govern and I think that's the spill accomplishes the pudding so we just heard the democratic governor. The Republican Republican majority leader. This is an issue that Kansas legislators have been dealing with for years now. The Democrats trying to expand Medicaid. They almost did in twenty seventeen but were blocked by the Republican governors veto. How did they manage to get it through this time? Well it was a torturous route alluded to as you said they did the legislature in your past a medicaid expansion bill in twenty seventeen that's when the legislature changed because there was some pushback against then Republican governor Sam Brownback and his tax cuts so they passed the expansion a bill that year but governor Brownback vetoed it and they fell a few votes short overriding. It's that year. The big change came of course when Laura Kelly former state senator was elected governor in two thousand eighteen she came into last year session making Medicaid expansion one of our top priorities and interestingly enough that made it through the house but it was blocked at the very end of the session in the Senate by none other. Then Senator Jim Denning so why did some Republicans obviously come around in the end. Why are they gonNA politics? Everything's connected right and I think that we're seeing being in Kansas. What we're seeing across the nation? There's a political transformation taking place in some of these suburban areas which is where Senator de his from. His district is transitioning politically clea. And I think he saw the political handwriting on the wall and decided that he couldn't just continue to say no and so he found a way to get to yes. Those all important suburbs getting a little little bit bluer. Absolutely how many people are going to be covered under the expansion if it is indeed Signed into law. She'll between one hundred thirty thousand one hundred and fifty thousand thousand. Low income cannons importantly you know Medicaid traditionally covers children mainly and People with disabilities but many of these people will be low income adults and one of the big problems with getting Medicaid expansion past. was that conservative. Governor Brownback chiefly among them didn't think that quote unquote non-disabled non-disabled adults who were capable of working should get a tax payer subsidized healthcare when it comes to the taxpayer subsidy here. The federal government actually picks up right ninety percent of the bill for for the expansion House Kansas Fund the other ten percent. Well about thirty. Five million dollars here in Kansas would be the state's share of that cost and they're going to impose a surcharge on hospitals and the hospitals readily agreed to that because they've been campaigning for expansion for for many many years. Now Jim this Kansas. It's a red state but there are other red states like Wyoming Oklahoma also apparently moving toward Medicaid expansion. I is this deal assign that Republicans. All across the country are starting to think the Medicaid expansion is the right move. Perhaps because the the evidence is in frankly From all the states that have expanded Medicaid many many years ago and the evidence suggests that it does expand access to healthcare of course and it can be done without busting the budgets of state and so given that evidence and the political transition transitions. We were talking about Governor Kelley. As a matter of fact won the governorship winning only ten counties in the state and so I think those political transitions have a lot to do with that. Is Jim McLean with the Kansas News. Service into Pika. Thank you you bet thank you. Yeah well let's take a break from the news now for another edition of the here now. Dj sessions there goes the and Kyle Wong joins us today. Dj W. F. Y.. Indianapolis his show is called the cultural manifesto. Hi Kyle Hello. Jeremy and I understand. You'RE GONNA take us on a musical tour of Indianapolis both old and new Is there anything you think. We should know about the history of music in that city. I think so yeah. Indianapolis is probably best known among jazz fans for the incredible legacy of jazz music. Like we have here There was a street in Indianapolis known as Indian Avenue during the era of segregation. This is where black culture in Indianapolis was concentrated and an unbelievable amount of legendary musicians. came out of the scene West. Montgomery Freddie Hubbard and on and on that's jazz icons unless they're no named so. Yeah Yeah we have. An incredible history of Jazz aren't music here and Motown yes. Lamp records which is called nap towns motown so yeah we have a great history of soul music and jazz okay. Well let's get to the first song that you've brought us. This is the emerging traffic with eleanor. Rigby world is again eh Uh Very interesting cover of the Beatles there tell us more about merging traffic. Yeah merging traffic. were a jazz fusion band. They kind of came in at the tail end of that Indian Avenue scene. I referenced earlier when Jazz was moving in a more experimental and moving in the direction of fusion. And this was a very prolific group. Here in Indianapolis they recorded hours and hours of music but never ever released a note alive. I think they were kind of like hippies. And they didn't trust the establishment and they just kind of were the I think they compare themselves into a cult when I interviewed them. So there would just this insular group that had this very unique kind of dynamic and didn't trust the big record companies. It's just a a great story here in Indianapolis Indianapolis that's only beginning to be discovered and understood by people outside the city. Okay well let's get to the next one you brought us. This is Hannah. Ben with UN fasten and the two a short cut who you're Cooling so who honey. Uh Skiing Hukou and and Uh sort of a ghostly mysterious voice there yeah and that voice is actually the daughter of the voice we heard in the prior prior track. She's the daughter of George vocalist of merging traffic and like her father. Hannah grew up singing. Classical Choral Music at the Christ Church Cathedral Fedral in Indianapolis and her music you know takes from that classical choral experience and adds elements of hip hop rb as you said in this very ghostly theory away wait and you say that Hannah Ben is one of the most important artists to come out at Indianapolis. Yes I think she's going to go on to great things. This is offered debut EP. Divide died so she's just starting her career. She's an incredible vocalist. She makes beats and she also is a composer. She's written arrangements for the Indianapolis Symphony Orchestra. So one of the most most incredible musical minds. I've ever had the pleasure to to know all right up next is Caroline Shaw. This is from rivers and a UH My A to this so I understand. She wrote this for the opening of a hospital in Indianapolis. Yes this public hospital here in. Annapolis the Sidney and Lois Eskenazi Hospital. And this was commissioned by a guy named Michael Kaufmann as part of a project called sound. Expeditions there's over thirty pieces of a commission music in this collection. So it's a great place for listeners to go to get a sense of what's happening here in the city and maybe learn a little bit about our culture in history as well and what more should we know about Caroline Shaw yes. She's a pulitzer what surprised. Winning composer Kanu West collaborator. She which I think is an incredible bio and yet caroline came here and visited Eskenazi and wrote this piece for that incorporated the Indianapolis Children's choir and incredible vocalist named Kristen Newborn. All right the next one you have brought us is another Oldie from Indianapolis this this. Is Somebody please by the van. It so Governor vanguards is a band from the sixties is this one of their well known songs is this is one of two hits the Van Guard scored this is from nineteen sixty nine on the billboard. Hot One hundred and this was released by lamp records and lamp records which was founded by her Miller. He was our berry. Gordy here in Indianapolis and up the song just lives on. It was out of print for almost fifty years. But it's taken hold in different different places around the world especially Los Angeles where it's a fixture and the Chicano low rider oldies scene and has been translated into Spanish and sampled and Chicano gangster rap songs. I think it's all animated by James Davis anguished vocals and sadly he passed away just a few days ago but I had the immense pleasure to Kinda documents life life on my program and into befriend him credible man and a really powerful singer. We have time for one more and this one is by sweet poison poisoned victim. It is called to Loppy. Ah which I think of as the kind of fish that you get in a fish Taco when it's a little cheaper than the Myanma he but here it is. It's Lafayette by sweet poisoned victims. Yeah and so I understand. Sweet poison refers to a Ghanaian alcohol that has a very high alcohol content that the group's founder founder likes to. Yes the group's founder is Kwesi. Brown is an immigrant from Ghana and he loves sharing the name culture. Whether it's the music the food or just I really toxic homemade alcohol. He concocts and he loves. Let's giving people have tried it. I I had episode. I don't remember anymore. How frequently but yeah? It's very powerful but at this group really represents to me something I love about Indianapolis and that's really vibrant and robust immigrant community. We have here. Who have really transformed the music scene here? You know their whole neighborhoods Abraham in the city that were formerly blighted deteriorating abandoned strip malls that have been reimagined as concert halls and some of the biggest groups from Latin America. Play here. It almost daily basis so the immigrant community of Indianapolis has really revitalize the city in a way as a lifelong resident that I'm so grateful of and happy to seve thrive. Well Kyle Long. Dj At W. F. Y.. In Indianapolis. Thank you for joining US giving us a little break from the impeachment inquiry and all the rest of the news. That's going on right now for some music from Indianapolis really appreciate it. Thank you jen. And you can hear more at our spotify playlist we are. NPR here and now on spotify you can also find US apple music and if you're now dot org Power has been restored to most Puerto Rico after a strong earthquake on Tuesday but hundreds of people have been sleeping outside because because they're concerned about the continuing aftershocks. The American territory still hasn't recovered from recent devastating hurricanes and has yet to receive government aid eight. That was promised to help in relief. Efforts louis-dreyus has been reporting out of San Juan. He's a producer with the NPR podcast Rodeo on Balante. Hi Hi Louise Hype on you. So you're in the capital of San Juan which hasn't been badly damaged but the governor Wanda Vazquez says is at this earthquake has brought about an emergency. The island hasn't seen for more than a century share with us what people are experiencing in the areas most impacted. Yes well Puerto Rico. Woke up with a terrible shake after a six point. Four magnitude earthquake rocked the island. It was felt vowed especially hard in southern coast of Puerto Rico and that earthquake on Tuesday morning was followed by another five point. Eight tremor are in that same area and You have to understand Tanya that this comes at the heels of people feeling the earth shaking and tremor of lesser intensity for over week and a half now so that has really fed into a sense of uncertainty. Yes that's still looming as they tried to to get back to normal as I mentioned power has been restored to much of the island but it was a slow process. It was the earthquake on Tuesday. Knocked out elctricity for all of Wood Rico. Essentially as of now power slowly coming back on so the situation is getting better but it was slow to start and there are lingering questions about a major generating power generating plant into southern coast of Puerto Rico. That was significantly could leave affected and damaged by the earthquake. Puerto Ricans have been through a lot. They're still reeling from hurricanes. Maria and Irma back in twenty seventeen gene billions and federal aid for those storms are still tied up in Washington. What's the status of recovery efforts in light of this latest disaster? That's right Tonya People have been through a lot and people still feel like there was a botched response effort after the devastation caused By Hurricane Maria in two thousand seventeen a lot of people are not inclined to believe that the Response to this earthquake will be up to par with what is needed. There are hundreds of people still sleeping in the street because they're afraid of going back into their homes it was precisely because they don't know if there's another bigger earthquake coming in and they don't want to be trapped inside homes that feel unsafe at the same time. Time Governor Wanda Vazquez here in Puerto Rico declared a state of emergency for the whole island and Fema also issued a declaration of Emergency Agency for Puerto Rico and a press release saying that they're sending teams to assess the damage here in the island. Can we talk a little bit more about these buildings and not being earthquake proof as you said that people are afraid. There's literally sleeping outside. Because they're concerned about the integrity of the apartments. Dance in the buildings Are there worries that more could collapse even as the days move on and we talk about their more quakes and have officials addressed arrest this issue. Yes so There was one instance of a public school that collapsed in the southern town of Guanaco And that has sparked a very serious debate here in the island over earthquake preparedness The Governor is sending teams this of structural engineers to make sure that schools are up to code. But there's an open question about whether some of these buildings things which were built in the sixties and seventies if they can withstand an earthquake of a bigger magnitude that the one that we just felt over here in Puerto Rico. You you have to understand that big earthquake that hit on Tuesday morning came during the holiday break where students were not in session. But if you've that school had been full of children many people feel like that could have been a major tragedy. Can you give us a sense of picture is there. They're an effort for folks to get back to normal. Our children do back to school and people headed back to work or are they still in the midst of this crisis and and kind of everything is at a standstill. It feels like a catastrophe for people along that southern stretch of coast basically in the towns of ponce why Aena Wanaka and Yaoko here in the northeast in San Juan where the capital city is. People are going back to normal but over over in that southern part of the island public employees are staying home. There's an open question about whether the public education department will be ready to you know. Open the doors for the schools for the kids to come back in and the relief efforts are really concentrated. Down in the south of the Allen. Right now oh and that's where it still feels as if the earthquake had just hit. That's Louise Trae us. He's reporting out of San Juan and he's a producer with the NPR podcast Rodeo audio ambulance. Thank you so much for for taking the time thank you near now is a production of NPR in Wvu our association with the BBC World Service. I'm Tanya mostly. I'm Jeremy Hobson Hobson. This is here now.
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"From NPR WBZ. Jeremy Hobson. I'm Robin Young. It's here and now president. Trump legal team formerly their legal strategy today ahead of the impeachment trial beginning in the Senate tomorrow but we heard much of their plan on the Sunday. Talk shows at the heart of it. Abuse of power is not an impeachable offense because it's not a crime so let's start with a primer emmer on the different views of what the founding fathers intended impeachment to be we Chad pergram congressional correspondent for Fox News Chad. Thanks so much for making time for us. Thanks for having and Jed Ed you know attorney Alan Dershowitz will present the constitutional arguments for the president. Here he is on. ABC's this week with George Stephanopoulos yesterday explaining his reasoning. The articles articles of impeachment are two non-criminal actions namely obstruction of Congress. And of those are half. What have to be voted on by the Senate? Let me press that. That was a year position that president trump should be impeach even if all the evidence and arguments laid out by the House are accepted as fact. That's right okay. No Chad put aside if you can that during the Clinton Impeachment Dershowitz argued. The impeachment doesn't have to involve crime. Now he's saying it does no crime no impeachment trial and and he's basing it on the country's first presidential impeachment case back in eighteen sixty eight can you just remind us yes Andrew Johnson in eighteen sixty eight. That was a trial that started hearted. you know in the in the late wetter ran until springtime with Andrew Johnson. You you know and the founders especially if you read federal sixty five that was written by Alexander for Hamilton talking about what they intended with impeachment. They kind of considered the whole concept of impeachment outside the realm of the traditional criminal. The justice system in other words that this was an issue of fitness of office. And whether or not you're using the public trust for other purposes and there may be a crime potentially actually committed here. You know that there were certainly questions about that with Richard Nixon. There were certainly issues with that with Bill Clinton but they weren't specific that this was more of an issue about the public trust. And how you use news your office. It's a separate kind of just but Dershowitz is saying that in the eighteen. Sixty eight impeachment trial. The case was made that a crime had to have been committed. And as you said that send everyone to the federalist papers and Alexandra Alexander Hamilton. Writing High Crimes and misdemeanors includes misconduct that betrays the public. DOC Trust so that would seem to discount with Dershowitz to sing. Democrats certainly believe. The president betrayed the public trust but also didn't the Government Accountability Agency Agency just conclude that trump didn't break the law violated federal law by withholding military aid to Ukraine. So that's right and the the Gao you know the Democrats are going to see is is on that Jiahua. Gao statement from just the other day. You know I've done a couple of did an interview with Allan Baron. Who is an attorney? Who worked with the House on some lower profile impeachments back in the late eighties and and other issues? You know some years ago and he talks about what seems to catch people trip them up. Is this term high crimes times and misdemeanors that we think of that again that conventional criminal justice lane and and it's something outside of that that's what they were really getting out when they were crafting the federalist papers and then the constitution so on the face of it it would seem that dish is wrong and his interpretation. But this is what we're saying it's all up to interpretation so we're GONNA hear this plow but meanwhile the the trump team strategy was submitted today. It's one hundred ten pages long But does anything jump out at you so far in their reasoning. Yeah the first thing that they say here is is that they describe. The houses case is quote flimsy and dangerous. They also say in their brief that the house was determined overturned earned the 2016 election and interfere in the twenty two thousand election and the White House has also argued. The impeachment articles are quote. Structurally deficient now. This is their brief. And you you can bet that the impeachment managers will start to Parse that they've rearranged the Senate chamber slightly so it's no longer a legislative assembly and it's kind of like a courtroom and so they were kind of getting a walk through there but they're going to start to go through that document sent over by the trump legal defense team and then they will submit a rebuttal just before they get to the meat and potatoes the more. It sounds like shed no one on the Republican side of this case. We didn't hear any lawmakers yesterday. Certainly Dershowitz never said the president isn't it did not ask Ukraine to interfere. He didn't keep people from testifying. It sounds as if none of the defense will be. He didn't do it. It's just that the defense will be. We don't think it rises to a crime so it's not impeachable but as you just explained. That's not what an impeachment supposed to be about. And that some of what. We've heard from the president's defenders going back to October or so when they started to really get too deeply into this inquiry. We're going to hear from the presence defense on Friday and Saturday. What the intend to do here is have the the house? Democrats the impeachment managers present their case in long sessions on Wednesday in twelve hours as we understand. Yeah exactly and if you're not starting until one o'clock and some people might say well why did you start one o'clock well. The chief justice presides and he has other duties across the street at the supreme cream courts. He can't start til one o'clock so this is where the sessions might go late into the night and then a senior administration officials indicated to me that they don't think that the administration take all of their time. That official told me. They said if if if they're taking all their time quote we're in big trouble qlo-quote Chad pergram congressional correspondent for Fox News. We'll be talking to again. Thank thank you my pleasure. We'll to China now where there is growing concern about the spread of a new corona virus that has infected more than two hundred people and killed at least three joining us now now from Beijing is the BBC Steven McDonnell Steven tell us more about what health officials know about this virus at this point the most crucial thing actually is what they don't know which is the extent to which it can be passed from person to person Nelson thinking that originally it may have jumped. I'm from animals to humans at a seafood market which also has other animals and everybody who's been sick has come from Wuhan and the thinking initially was that that all had exposure to this same seafood market but the World Health Organization now says that they're probably ease. He's at least to some extent human-to-human transfer of the virus. But probably this through some sort of close contact now. The reason this makes a big difference is that at the moment. You've got millions of Chinese people criss crossing the country and traveling overseas for the Lunar New Year celebrations. So I'm passing on this virus to other people and it could spread to many more countries many more cities Obviously it's it's a much bigger concern concern for the authorities at the risk of making all of our listeners. Think that they might have this virus. Tell me what the symptoms are will. It's giving people knew monia fever this type type of thing but I should also stress that Imagine Wuhan is a city of like eleven million people. There are hundreds of people who are sick and already dozens of being discharged from hospital. So as long as it's not much worse than we think it seems to be kind of under control control the flip side of that is that some scientists think that there could actually be thousands of people already infected. It's just the authorities haven't found them yet. And the reason I say that is just through the mapping that scientists do that would allow them to judge. How could it be that? This Boris's already made its way to Thailand to people Japan South Korea as well as Shanghai Beijing. Shenzhen they think it's got to be thousands rather than hundreds the president. Xi is talking about taking every possible measure against this virus. What precautions are being taken right now? Well if you go to a train station or to an airport especially if there is a connection involving the city of Wuhan though these extra screening procedures so flights from Wuhan on arriving and medical officials of boarding the planes and going around and checking everybody's temperature and if you have a fever of course you he you we put to one side but so you have to pass that screening procedure in order to enter the terminal so even though it doesn't seem to be madly infecting other people. They've not gonNA take any chances and that's because they worried. Of course they write about the the example of the size of virus that people will remember where there was a cover up leading to hundreds of people dying and eight thousand people being infected so this time round at least the authorities seem to have learnt the lesson from that and providing updates as they get them Stephen while we have you want to ask you about one other thing. That's going on in China net. Today China is going to ban plastic bags in major cities by the end of this year. In an all cities and towns by twenty twenty two that seems like a very big step because of the nature of things he when the government decides to do something and I put foot on the gas as you would sign the sites and get get on with it and initially at least in Beijing Shanghai one Joe. They've been told this year plastic bags eggs have to go. Not only that but one you single use straws in restaurants. They won't be used eventually. They're saying they're GONNA phase out all of those sort of plastic tubs hubs. He used for home delivery food China with its breakneck. Economic growth is now a huge consumer of you know lots of takeaway food so you can imagine how much plastic that produces. It's all going into the waterways into landfill. It has been a complete an utter economic disaster disaster for the country and so I suppose drastic. Tom's cope addressing measures. And they've just said sorry. This is the deadline. You just going to have to stop using them. There are some exemptions for example in outdoor markets that have fresh food. They're going to still be allowed to use plastic bags. I think possibly they haven't worked out a way to get around that but all these other huge areas of the China Society. Yeah plastic utensils for example gone enforce it the way they say they're going to it will transform the environment in the BBC's Steven McDonnell joining us from Beijing. Steven thanks to you. The world is complicated but but knowing the past can help us understand it so much better. That's where we come in. I'm renovator unrelenting Arab Louis and we're the host through line. NPR's history podcast every week. We'll dig into forgotten stories from the moments that shaped our world through live from NPR. Listen and subscribe now Kansas. Kansas is likely to become the thirty seven. State to expand Medicaid under the affordable care. Act The state's Republican State Senate majority leader and it's democratic. Governor governor struck a deal earlier this month overcoming years of opposition from Republicans Governor Laura Kelly of Kansas joins us from Topeka welcome. It's good to be with you. Jeremy me so governor Kansas legislators have been trying to pass a Medicaid expansion for years. How did you manage to reach this? Compromise will hit. You know I was a Kansas legislator for fourteen years and I had a developed a lot of Pretty close a good working relationships On both sides of the aisle and I was just able to use those relationships. When I got into the governor's office To work with key folks To come up up with a compromise we had three different plans for Medicaid expansion Sort of out there and we just came together and pick the best of of all of them in the gotTa deal. Gee you think it's a done deal at this point. Nothing is ever a done deal until the ink is dry But I'm very optimistic. That we will get This medicaid expansion bill through the process and that will come out clean in simple to Implement how many people are going to be covered as a result of what you're doing well estimates are up to one hundred and fifty thousand more cans will have access to healthcare If we pass this now one of the things that you are going to do is called a premium reduction program To help people who might be be eligible. Stay on their private plans. How much is that going to cost the state? And how big of a compromise is that for you and other Democrats. Well it's right now. What the bill actually calls for is an actuarial study to determine if that reinsurance which is what you're talking about would work in the state if Kansas at has worked in some other states like Colorado but we need to have the data before we can decide if fits the route that we wanna go in Kansas We'll know that in about a year. the Medicaid expansion portion of the bill will go I We'll get that waiver Through CMS and then implement January first twenty twenty one We'll get the actual study done during that time. And if it's appropriate will implement that By January you worried twenty twenty two. If this happens. Kansas would become the thirty. Seventh State to expand Medicaid. What would your advice be? Be Two two people in some of the states that haven't yet and there are some red states that are considering it now. Oklahoma Wyoming is what. You're doing a good model for other states nights. You know I think it is a good model for other states and We had the advantage the only advantage I can tell you in. Not Having expanded Medicaid indicate for we had the advantage of being able to review. What all the other states that have expanded have done? What worked in what did not work so and we? We brought them into Kansas to to really let us ask questions. Get into detail about it and so I think the plan that we eventually put together Sort sort of is best practices from all of the other states So yeah I would suggest that if states who are getting ready or thinking about expanding you dare take a look at the Kansas model because it is simple it is clean. It's about is inexpensive and approach. You can take in his probably as administratively easy to to do. What do you say to people? And I've seen even quotes from Some in Kansas who are calling what. You're doing socialized medicine. Government runs socialized health care. How do you respond to that I don't You know those are the kinds of things that people who oppose you ideologically. We'll throw out there just to appeal to their base CANS BY-IN-LARGE I think the last poll showed seventy seven percent of cans wanted Medicaid decayed expanded. And they're going to get it. I want to ask you about a couple of other issues going on especially one that has been big in. Your state has been all over the news for many years. which is tax cuts one of your recent predecessors Governor Sam Brownback signed into law one of the largest income tax cuts And promise that it would jump start the economy. It did not state revenues crash. There were spending cuts in education and transportation but now some Republicans in the legislature in Kansas. WanNa do more income tax cuts. Would you be willing to entertain that. Well remember Jeremy that in twenty seventeen we reversed most of the Brownback tack right over. The governor's veto exactly over. The governor's veto is a bipartisan effort. How we got it done that has put Kansas back on the road to recovery And last year I oh. I did veto to tax cuts. That were sent to my desk because would've spun US right back into crisis in we. Just we can't survive five that so I continue to ask legislators to be patient We will be presenting some Tax Cut approaches approaches This coming session related mostly to property tax relief and serve food sales tax relief for Kansas families. Who Need it the most we are still not in a position To implement any other tax cuts at this time plus. We don't know what we need to do. I put together a tax counsel bipartisan. Again of Really a lot of former legislators who knew a lot about our tax structure of from when it actually worked they presented awesome recommendations short-term which I've already mentioned and then they'll continue to meet during twenty twenty to do a deep dive on our overall tax structure. And come up with what I expect. WILL BE A multi-phase multi year approach to rebalancing The Kansas tax code. What's the situation of the budget like like right now? You say you're on the road to recovery. We are on the road to recovery You know we've been able to Get ourselves out a court By providing adding Inadequate amount of school funding last year. will include that again in this year's budget we were able to decrease transportation Haitian transfers And we will continue to decrease those transfers from the highway fund so that we can implement our forth of comprehensive transportation plan a we have been rebuilding our child welfare system which was absolutely decimated resulting in thousands. More kids is being in our foster care system We are focused on a really working. Our overcrowding In understaffed a a correction system we were able to get the legislature to put some money toward that. Last year will will go back with M- recommendations for ways to even continue Tinu to a remedy the the problems we've got over there so we're on our way You know the the revenue is there to do that but you you are asking them to be cautious because we still have a lot of debt to pay down And we do not have a rainy day fund and So that when the next recession comes right now we don't have a cushion. We need to build one. So there are a whole host of reasons to to not do anything thing radical now but to let the tax council do its work and come up with a sane approach to stabilising tax situation and long-haul is Kansas expecting a recession in twenty twenty. You know I don't. I don't know so much that we're expecting the recession like we experienced in two thousand thousand seven But you it's it's no secret that one of our largest employers in the state has just had to cut back employees because of the Seven thirty seven Max situation so we're not sure what exactly the fallout will be from that But that gives us another reason to pause and proceed cautiously governor as you know we're about to head into an impeachment trial of the president in the Senate as you you watch that. Do you think the president should be removed from office. Jeremy as you can tell from the conversation we're having. I am focused like a laser on on issues here in Kansas. I will let our congressional delegation deal with the impeachment issue. Okay well then let me finally ask you a couple of political questions about Kansas because our listeners and listeners all over the country have paid attention to one person who was thinking about running for the Senate in Kansas that was secretary of state. Mike Pompeo he has declined climbed to run as a Republican. Do you think as somebody who just won statewide in Kansas. That he would have won if he had run. Well that's something we will never know you know. I think those of us in Kansas are now sure That Mike Pompeo will not be running for. US Senate I think the When Bob Dole came out and endorsed another candidate I think it made it clear That that decision is final. Interesting Bob Dole. has that kind of sway still in Kansas. Well I I don't know we'll see but I think the fact that he was willing to get out and endorse someone other than Mike. pompeo suggests that pompeo is not going to be getting in the race. So what is your advice to. Whoever the Democrat ends up being I know that you've already endorsed state senator? WHO's running for that Senate seat in Kansas? What would your advice be how to win as a Democrat in such a red state? Well I don't think senator bullying needs any advice for me. I think she's he's doing a heck of a job herself. She has already figured out what it takes to win you're she announced record fundraising Numbers the other a day and She has been out and about all of the state giving you know cans and letting them get to know her so I think she'll do just fine at his Kansas Governor. Laura Kelly governor. Thanks so much for joining us. You're very welcome. Thank you and the governor was referring there to state Senator Barbara Volya who switched parties from Republican Democrat in December. Twenty eighteen right after the governor won her office fully represents a suburban district that has been getting bluer. The governor also mentioned in the states largest employer laying off workers that would be spirit. aerosystems which makes parts of Boeing airplanes including parts of the grounded. Seven thirty seven Max ax spirit aerosystems announced plans this month to lay off twenty eight hundred employees in its Wichita facility. You're listening to here now. in the twenty twenty census begins tomorrow in in remote sections of Alaska. The rest of the country will start submitting census forms in mid-march but the census add campaign is already well underway with TV spots like like this one that shows a series of children talking about counting figure. And I look at the two thousand twenty s isn't complicated. Everyone living in your home table. I count my aunt and uncle count by wearing Friday night. You're now media analyst. John Carroll joins us now with with four on this. Hi John. Hey Jeremy So. This ad campaign has three distinct phases. How does it break out? According to a Census Bureau press released this first phase is the education and awareness. Phases says run through mid March. Then there's what they call the motivation slash participation participation phase which is trying to get people to actually answer the questionnaire either thereby online by phone by mail and then finally there's the follow up non-response a phase where the which will coincide with census takers going out door the door to try to get households to respond to haven't already. The campaign is estimated cost between two hundred and two hundred and fifty million dollars which is comparable to the AD budget Back back in two thousand ten the last time they did the census but there are significant differences in other areas right For one thing. The allocation of money has shifted in twenty. Ten eight percent of the budget went to digital ads. This time around it's thirty percent Consequently TV has been cut. It was forty four percent back in two thousand ten. It's now forty percent not much and one of the reasons they are spending so much digital is because they want a fifty five percent online response from the public which means filling out the census forms online Are there going to be super bowl ads. This time around no super bowl ad. This time there was one in twenty two thousand and there was one in twenty ten. They say it's not an effective use of taxpayer dollars. What you will see is more hyper local Advertising gas stations bus stops that kind of thing now. One of the big issues that has come up is is that there's been concerned in some communities after the Census Bureau tried and failed to put that citizenship question on the census form. There's fear that some people might not want to give information to census takers because they think it could be used against them. Is there anything. In the AD campaign that addresses those fears well according to Adage magazine Gene. The ads directed at the Latino community are designed to alleviate concerns about government misuse of data. Here's part of one of those spots in which a new arrival to the. US A couple of friends if it isn't dangerous to fill out the census city aside from not at all. I was just like you ten years ago. I filled it out and look at me. I'm still here. Your personal information can't be shared with ice nor with the police. Don't worry okay. So that AD is out there. That's going to run on national TV and online for two months this spring. But it's the only spot that will specifically address concerns about immigration and Customs Enforcement and potential these deportation. You had a bit of a surprise. Because Zara over a thousand print digital radio and TV ad you would think that they would devote a few more to To this topic to alleviate those concerns the ads are supposed to reach ninety nine percent of American households multiple times but this time around there only in thirteen different languages they were in twenty eight different languages back in two thousand ten so that might be a cause of concern for some people as well probably well. This is a story we will continue to follow. As the census process gets underway officially in Alaska Tomorrow John Carroll media analysts mature. Enough thank you. It's here and now as you know. Parts of Australia have been on fire for months. Since at least twenty eight people have died the conflagrations in Australia and California before that may have you thinking how would I handle that. What if you were elderly or or disabled or pregnant Gemma Carey was but she miscarried? Lost the baby in the middle of the Australia fires and now may have lost faith in having children in a climate crisis. Gem is an associate professor at the University of New South Wales. Ironically studying public health. She wrote about her experience for the Guardian and joins us from Canberra JEMMA. Thank you and we are so sorry for your loss. Thank you and thank you for having me well. And I mentioned this irony that you are acutely aware of the effects of the smoke where you living we describe what was happening in the last stages of your pregnancy. Sorry I think that Because because of my research what I do for a job I was at the start this Mike a lot more aware of the health effects than other people and being pregnant as well. Oh sorry there's a particular Particle that we're worried about in bushfires my kids particles that a small of entry point five micrometres because I can make their way into your bloodstream. And the particularly bad unborn babies so I was a little bit more conscious of When we had this Mike Stott when it started a came and went but very quickly we ended the situation where we were twenty? Thirty Times hazardous smark levels of various particles in camera We had these ability of a few he made is the sky. Glowed are inge was really like being in the pocket. Yeah apocalypse oranges. And that was you know all the time and as you say it's hard to describe what it's like to live in the middle of this sort of slow motion unfolding disaster disaster but can you try people. Their cars were packed. Ready to go ahead and go. You're is always on cellphones. Everybody comparing you know air quality. Yeah and one of the things that I write about in my guiding articles was how quickly how whole way of life was disrupted. We had a period of lasix wakes with no break in the smart with Mike. Tonight by is gonNA come back FIS asked opening would allow outside. Everyone is. He's constantly checking the air quality Mehta's and ratings to see this moment he can go out and do daily choice. One of the things that really shocked us how quickly you acclimatized to incredibly dangerous air conditions. So we would be sitting in a friend's house. Thinking counts Melania Spike. In here anymore it's fine and would plug it in an era fire and find that was sitting in double hazardous smart conditions in someone's living room the infrastructure infrastructure here and probably in my spices seasons set up for that kind of air quality so it has made its way into the operating theaters in the major hospitals and and we have had stories of people being put onto anaesthetic in a very full of bushfires mark which I can only imagine Israeli terrifying and babies being born into Mike? I'm their fan stories. have babies coughing as their opponents. Well boy your daily ritual get up. Check the fire morning's check the air quality reading. Check the air purifier. And you and you note to that there's a certain inequity because in some homes you can have a thousand dollar air purifier and another you. Don't have one at all. Yeah yeah that's what sort of came to the fore very quickly Sorry people like me He had the knowledge and the income. Why would go and quickly get an aunt purifier? But I've spoken to people who couldn't afford to and found that I mean sitting around six hundred to five counts but but there's also useful that equity and kind of knowledge about what today as well. Sorry I said people like Maine. New Bitten Advance And we're taking more precautions. burs is played paper. He said you know we just didn't hear information from the government one man. I spoke to Jim. My wife was pasta. G died and we can't leave now and if someone when he just explained to us how bad this could get or how bad these kind of Pollution ease for you. You know we would have left the city early but we're trapped up till now which is the other thing that happened here is that we loud. Bright cut off in the EPO was cut off so we were the act's strand couple of territory trey. You're on camera was completely surrounded by fire and there was no way out from this Mike and so you find yourself you. He'll looking out the window one day. Saying what have I done because you are pregnant and you knew that it wasn't just the smoke. It was the stress level and the hormones the Renault flooding your body and how they might impact your pregnancy and then you went for a checkup. Yes sorry I staying inside with this Mike knowing all of the health risks for my baby thinking what is it GonNa be like for this child to grow up in these. Well Jim easies. He's GONNA be every summer and Israeli now pots of America to the new normal. We've never seen anything like this before here So I was already thinking nice ask questions and was anxious about it and then we went for just to retain ultrasound and there was no hot babes and it was a bit of Maine. It's really conflicted failing. Because there's a big demand went off Nori about bringing this child into the wild partly because what is the world bringing them into as I said we haven't seen anything like this but also I was really aware that this is a terrible start to life life in terms of their stress hormones and the amount of smart. I was inhaling even during my best to avoid it and knowing that all of these things play out in the recession having developmental mental effects and Pritam but then lawyer birth white. I mean we were devastated absolutely devastated that we lost the baby but eighties as these very complex Joe of sadness guilt and relief as well and I think there's a lot of people who you're going to have that hot to pull the pot set of emotions around having children at this particular point in time will now what was as you say. An existential challenge being pregnant in a climate emergency becomes a logistical challenge having a miscarriage and the the medical attention you needed after that miscarriage. And you you say this is where again the inequity comes because it was a sign of your privilege. You write that you could get out of Canberra to have the procedure you needed. Because you're hearing from other people that they were going in for surgery inhaling smoke as they went under. Yeah very and in my Pregnancy outside probably didn't find a hotbed. The room was full of smart. Even then which is very very stressful environment. So so as soon as We got high and from the ultrasound our straight into A. How do I get out of the city because I have the privilege of being able to do that? I am networks. Quick I have money were can fly to another city And when I talk to people that die signed yes yesterday I was in hospital. Yes the operating grading views of full of smart if he can get out get out And I was. I wish Gary so the airport reopened the next die. I laid him open and got the medical care that I needed. But I'm absolutely minority Mice paypal in Camber wouldn't have been able to do that. I happen to know doctors in Melbourne. He could help me and yeah and it's not just the operating rooms of this Mike but the MRI machines stopped working for seeks high wakes because this Michael Adams on them were calling off. Sorry it's affected the the whole healthcare system is no escaping it again. I am sorry you know a loss. Even if you have these other things things to two way is a terrible loss and you say you like everyone who's been through these fires you've been at changed but one of the questions you have is your having seen what you've seen. Will you get pregnant again. What have you decided again like a lot? A lot of people around me after these five are asking themselves that question and have raised it with me. I think where I've thought of landed on is is that there is no right or wrong It's very personal question. About what kind of tolerance for risk in Ange of you of you know whether you can give your child acquit life in the face of what's happening at the moment. I still fall inside that I can. But they experience is really shifted. May Long I think much onshore on the edge of that decision. And I have been before. Definitely well We wish you and your family and all your friends and neighbors there we wish you all the best in going forward through this. You know this really terrible terrible time and again we are sorry for your loss. JEMMA carry a health researcher at the University of New South Wales who lived through the terrible fires and camera but suffered a miscarriage. He thinks thinks probably related by the way. She has a memoir coming out this year. No matter our wreckage about family and trauma Jamaa again. Thank you so much. Thank you for having babies born coughing. Smoke what you think. Of course your thoughts welcome here. Now Dot Org And as the stock market has continued to climb over the last year one sector has been a bit of a Downer marijuana companies like men till Ray and Kushko Holdings why is that lets us Jeremy Burke senior reporter for business insider welcome. Thanks a lot for having me. Jeremy will give us some of the context. How much pot stocks down down since their peak so according to some indexes pod stocks down over fifty percent since their peak at the beginning of last year twenty nineteen But if you look at some individual stocks Mad Men for example there down Close to eighty percent These levels kind of shift around obviously sleep but A lot a lot of value has been wiped off last year. And why is that because there was such excitement about these companies especially when they went public so if you followed the dot com boom which granted was a little before my time. There's a term called Irrational exuberance where people are genuinely very excited about an attractive attractive story Back then it was the advent of the Internet. Now it's marijuana being legalized in the US and Canada So people poured their money into it and people were hopeful that these companies would Make more money about a year into legalization in Canada and a lot of states than they actually have been part of that is you know. It's it's hard to legalise cannabis you know. It's sounds easy at first. But if you're policymaker it's where do you put that money who gets to make that money there's equity issues. Licensing issues has got affect the business and secondly you know there was some bad news in the sector obviously last year unfortunately thousands of people across the US were sickened by vapes. And that way down on the sector actor so it's a combination of all this. I guess misplaced excitement at the beginning and then reality kind of not living up to those expectations. So you say misplaced excitement excitement but I just want to think of two examples one is I can remember in the last year when the first Dispensary opened up in Massachusetts which just recently legalized recreational marijuana. And there were lines down the block. The people in the town were complaining about the traffic and then just recently we heard that that in Illinois where pot just became legal at the beginning of the year. They're running out of it. Yeah so to say on that front. I mean part of my job is is reporting the industry and it's one of the hazards of my job is to go visit. These legal dispensaries obviously in places where where Adult use of cannabis is legal and the the stores are full of people buying products. Obviously there's a lot of excitement on the ground but at the corporate level. That just doesn't quite match up. They have put on these really aggressive forecast. I revenues that just didn't seem to exist so there is absolutely a disconnect between what you see on the ground and what you see in the public markets the second point And it's a bit of a finer details that you have to remember that a lot of these stocks are held by young retail investors So so so the the price fluctuation relation isn't really as efficient say if fidelity or big pension stocks so people get skittish and as soon as you see you know maybe sales lagging behind behind expectations one-quarter then people start to pull out and the stocks are thinly traded enough. They move very quickly. How much is regulatory uncertainty about marijuana? Even in states where it has been legalized an issue when it comes to the value of these companies. It's it's a huge part and I think that a lot of these companies generated strategies based on legalization moving faster rate You know last year people thought New York would legalize obviously that that didn't pan out Other states on the East Coast like Pennsylvania Connecticut. You know they're talking about it again. But things are moving much slower than expected and on the federal level you know. THC which is the chief. psychoactive component of cannabis is obviously still federally illegal. So that hurts businesses. They can't have access to banks opening lines of credit it so they're dealing with a what of issues and there isn't really a path forward for these issues being solved and obviously you can imagine congress right now. Oh has bigger fish to fry than than banking production for cannabis companies. So it's unclear when this will happen and what about the illegal market for marijuana which still exists. Even though in many places says it has been legalized so so California is the best case. Study for that. Right and When California legalized they put taxes which which people in the industry would say are much too high on products and it's not only the tax on the consumer? It's sort of tax. Every part of the supply chain so it's a lot more expensive expensive to be illegal cannabis company that it is to sell on the illicit market right so If one of the stated goals of cannabis legalisation was to you. Raise the black market in California people you know. The novelty of legalization sort of wore off and people are just going back to what's cheaper. What's more effective further pocketbook? Look so do you expect these pot stocks to rebound at any point. You Know I. I don't want to be in the business of offering my predictions on the stock market. But I will say that Executives of these companies and investors in these companies that I speak with on a daily basis. Do expect them to rebound whether that will happen soon. I'm I'm not sure. And what those catalysts will be remains to be seen but you know there is a sense that yes. It's an industry getting off the ground it's picking itself up by its bootstraps bootstraps. But there's hopefully some good news to come in the future but it remains to be seen that is Jeremy Burke who is a senior reporter for business insider Germany. Thanks yeah thanks a lot and here now is a production of NPR WB. You are in association with the BBC. World Service Service. I'm Jeremy I'm Robin Young. This is here now
E48 | Laura Keily | Mediation | Advocacy | Start-Ups | Law | Barrister | Transformation
"The laura kelly founder and managing director a mediation. Welcome to discipline. Thank you so much great to be here. When you're a young girl. What have you wanna be when you grew up. i wonder if it until i did veterinary work experience. And then that was the end of that in you. Ten animals to sleep by it was just the operations. I decided i wasn't a medical person so a lot of my friends went off to medical school and obviously not doing that. And then i started watching low. And that's when. I got the fire in the belly to be a lawyer. Yes yeah so. Did you become a good student wanting to be a lawyer or were you just naturally good student. I was always pretty academic yup economically oriented pretty competitive in that i think and yes. Sorry i had the dream of paying advocate which sort of ties into the story of it lighter on Ball but i was always very focused on my studies. old wife. Three didn't take a gap year after year. Twelve i wanted to get to union. Didn't take a gap year off to uni went straight to work but eventually i'm sure i will. Academic exemplary might father was Literally academic university annika my mom. My mom was the head of english in secondary school site. Big focus on being erotica and you started law about the sometime detection vet non ninety ice and then followed a path to those magic circle firms in london. Say you competitive. What was driving you. What was weighed that competitive spirit. Come from all look. I think the the moved to london was really. That was if anything sort gap here. I think that that was where my husband. And i had the strain that we wanted to go Working london which is a pretty well trump impa off and so that's how i ended up doing corporate litigation. Was that after nine. Eleven happened and the mock dried out. We interviewing at that point and though in our jobs and then i'll go fist jobs coming out of that cross into the new wave of deal making and so we were told if you wanna go to london corporate banking so we buy teeth culprit and i really enjoyed it and i loved the transactional side of it and so that really took me to sold. Remind london our for the best deal thinking town today. In two thousand and three eighths two thousand six but yes i kept going doing culprit until one day. I wake up when i was back in australia having had my children and thought i don't want this partnership i don't wanna do corporate anymore. The reason i did was not to be a corporate partner instead manageable. Yes it was to be an advocate and sorry. I sort of thought it was my last career change. Vide- i that i i do want to do it. She can and i think we sold by too much and sorry. I thought that's it. I'm going to go to the baugh so when you say going to. London was like a gap. You know some of those slaughter my lewis that were doing. Eighty five nausea weeks pretty much every week so then yeah in sound like much of a holiday. It wasn't a holiday beltway. Kramden mainly traveled as mice paper day once a month not on the easy friday known the easyjet back circling hatred. Report on the. What is it. cool the rice track. The rice track in way loved it and had a lot of friend middle of friends over there who were antipathy in all south african and instead of great dina's and yet had a bowl. But sodas was pretty grueling intended use a comment. Anyone really wants to come out of that. The partner remain do but It's pretty brutal. The quality of the experience i've And the partners with seis. mont. I think that coming back here. I think you can find that impacts in australia but the deal sizes size small that it just seems dement. Tree in comparison is very hard to get on those messy deals in stride and they will protected by the pot swooping around. So that's right. There is a deal that big. It's the australian Silence But there are good things that we did but it certainly wasn't the same sky low quality of client by you. Get an opportunity to introduce a common at ian's aid as blogs with a lot of senior associates montella signed before it was awash with payday. W lewis was this your first exposure to an inhouse environment. I had previously been sent to niks which was priceline. Brought ya okay At in the boondocks really and are quite like that. So when i came back from london they asked me to go down to. I ended and that was good. It confirmed for me. I didn't want to be an in house. Counsel yup good. I preferred being a preferred. The most of academic side of it. I found banging in-house counsel was was interesting from all. The good stuff was getting back to the external. Didn't really like that feeling very much. You view was a lot of risk. It's passed back from the corporate to the more firm. Because i've got You know bit of structure to be of manages. And did you see anything in there. That was appealing. Though at that point had you had any sort of anything that sparked interest outside of the lower. We still on this pathway to go been advocate nor are still in the pathway. I guess one of the things that i did enjoy about sodas in particular was hacked clubbed. She got to the clients because they were client oriented films needed. Did everything for them. So if a client to public private dealer arise or tyco you with the lawyer. That did that so it was very well rounded close to the commercials. I do like that pot about in house. And i did. I did sort of say that it'd be today. Insisted but there are so many lawyers there as well. But it's a twenty. Fragment and i was doing is so that was fun. I think we do a tried. The china iran of do. That was a good deal. Bat nari is still very much on the legal path that you've had exposure to to sort of take platforms From the streets go to coles styling is a senior associate partnership is you said you didn't wanna go down that path so you make the jump until employ on going to the bars. An easy decision is something that has to be managed carefully i mean always in culprit so i think the senior seats in litigation always managing that risk. Because everyone is that that's a well trodden path. I think that would have expected it from me because it wasn't something that i'd ever rise with him but you know it was an interesting time. I think causes a great fan. And i enjoyed my time there but again night i did find at that point that it was just tree small and i felt like i'm wanted to stretch out and do something different from all the other pump Look at you in the room. What qualifies you of any other partners being that role. What's the skill set. I think i asked me to do it. Because i'd had that international experience. Because i had a breadth of experience in corporate law that i could manage things and probably also just maturity indiscretion to be honest kazeem managing the exits partners. Who have seen you to managing the watching the partnership prices on fault and it's all pretty sensitive any conflict with colleagues. You know you now acting for the pop Working as a senior associate to upon big challenges. Lots of pressure. The actually prepared me. I think for this job. I was very much working for the end. Almost inequality partnership position in the always. You know the the head of the legal department so it was up to me. I guess to seek help where i needed it but otherwise to manage it it was. It was a definitely a johnny and i. I really enjoyed it. You don't take any outside. Would when you're in that role you don't take any outside. What yucca it was anything about the business. Saad you know why the financial structure that was unexpected. Nari i mean. I think if anything it gave me that more exposure to to the balance sheets the finances and understanding actually how businesses run so i had a pretty decent understanding of how businesses run from doing g diligence back in a di way. That meant you literally. Got the box into your raymond. You read the contra pets. You which i have to say is the best way to learn how to draft. I think because. I just absorbed and could drop to contract from scratch amaury about the genie along with the have that now but anyway. That's an aside. But i think sitting with the ceo. I actually really get a sense of what. It's like to run a business. Since so that i think probably helps me now. Additionally off to the baa question to answer what makes a great barrister. the bar is a really funny based. It's quite archaic in some respects. Me personally. I think what makes a barrister. Ease was firstly Intelligence because the questions that get brought to you at the baa of the hot questions that nobody else can and saw so often you find that by the time it gets to you. The people are in dire straits or they need to appeal. Or it's just it's a difficult scenario and getting off vaas pretty early on. That would really hard questions. I remember a lodge insurance sent me this really sticky range difference question and i had to go and raid in the library for two or three days did great that we're really happy. It was basically an answer that nobody really knew. So that sorta academic capability. I think is really critical. Yes but what i think. Mexico barrister is people who commercial although it's pretty rare because you can solve cop deals well when you settling and advise a client from the perspective of actually understanding what guys owning business found that. That was my greatest success. Lie was being out of cut through Hang on. I think there's an outcome we could potentially get here all understanding why. Something's a reason in being able to unpack it inside. i can say the business reign. Why that sinisi. I think that's actually really useful. It's really interesting because you you know you sort of canada laws in your future. Work there by giving this content loss. But i think that's probably what partly sparked a mediation was to say that that was quite Not many barristers give that kind of advice. It's very tends to be rooted in the case. Lauren prospects and stuff and not necessarily tie quest to these. Y'all had a apart. No one to dump him unit who was very pragmatic the way he gave advice to people. Saying you do not want to go down. This path cost you money. It's gonna cost you time. It's going to you know potentially suck out your life. Oops you know. I would strongly suggest you. You should find a way to settle nothing that was always stuck with me as good at voss but when you get to a point where you go to the baa. He says a lot of complex. The and you give good advice but this still unknowns with the advice you give because until you get in front of judge to get a judgment sometimes. It's you know what it all of the window. Hindsight is laura's what a judge decides on any given day absolutely it is end that see. How a case skill set i think is being able to distill very complex arguments to the very simple and to sort of move in change. We see judge because you don't know where they're gonna gari and i had. I guess quite a good experience of doing a primarily in the court of appeal was the fist homemade appeared on my own in front of two or three appeal judges and it was amazing. Because i would testing man. I hadn't really had that experience of that level of preparation. So you need to know absolutely everything because they're gonna find the white points and i get to them very quickly and sin. What mental dexterity being able to think on your feet pool reams of information out of the drop of ahead. It's a real exercise under pressure. I think absolutely. And i mean an end kramer on the top of the kiki's advocates. Who can make it all sound beautiful and you know they use of choice of language is powerful and you know it's the the performance side of it is still a defeatist who it isn't there. There is the in interesting point in the digital age whether that how that he's now on whether or not it's still really important or not. Yeah i mean. I sort of wanted to go down this path at one point. Spend tom in In various china so doing work experience and there was one particular moments again. The sydney In the supreme court helping on a matter and the barrister running the sc having very difficult time with the witness and getting nowhere for hours just being stonewalled and then he sort of rummaged duran whispered to a few painful some pasta sheet of pipe. It was a a sort of looked at it Stuck it behind his back and instead of asking the same questions in the witness changed the tone completely when from pugh stonewalling to maybe on the it'd be honest here because he got something behind. What's he got behind his back and it was brilliant so changed the whole night show of the dialogue and it was all theater was nothing on the piper so yeah it was really old school so to follow that away get back to our nation so seven years at the baa you touched on how a mediation climate bab covid presumably accelerated. This was pretty code. You started pre covid site. I saw as a guard and it was really in response to what i saw. I guess coming from that blue chips. So the corporate would that i'd done the litigation i'd been exposed was at the most the sort of upper level i guess what guys clues to companies engaging in litigation and i can afford to pay and i hadn't really been exposed to the rough and tumble because i wasn't a litigator Loya kind to the bar in thankfully policy examined that was indeed the rate course which was fun because i was on my fate for the first time and then you had experience of going to bendigo coats today cross examination making truckdriver cry which was fun all of that kind of stuff but then three or four years in it was just this repeated thing of getting to say litigation in that sort of essay space. Just how traumatic. It was and this is not even the disadvantaged people this is people who have money are directors or shareholders and. I can afford to pay their to a point but have crippling. It wasn't yes and often hateful. Scientists thought they'd be justice or i don't understand why i've spent more money on lawyers than i have on the dispute and this just kept coming up yet and i guess i was a little bit naive in thinking. Well why do we have the system. I mean it's there's no. Technology is nice streamlining many solicitous fantastic but some of them drag it out and it's not that they're not acting ethically they're acting perfectly within the bounds of ethical. But you can just tell that. They're not in any hurry to said. Oh yes wise in viable alternative to your face and so that was really what started thinking. Well is there any way that we could use technology and you now looking back a bit of a crazy fool. Because you're highly christ in your own words. Cake sort of institution slum of a hand you stink Adult technology diet night. I think it was tightly knots. And of course the first couple of years of development were entirely in private. Because you know. I had this idea. And then i gotta quite for the app and then you might find this amusing go to quite four initial basically a vision of the platform which was a portable. Really go on my website where people could sake. What is effectively expert termination. That was the original idea. And sorry. I thought will so often when a client comes into the office. I think will if you just do. Xyz you should probably settle for ex. You just not say that. But then i go through the process and i thought well if you could just get everybody to the point where they sold that expanded joint tim in action and it probably will go away. That was the original sort of novel. So i got that quite was eddie grant. And of course didn't have id grandpa's lift my nostril. But costa of the ball. And i was just getting close to wear maybe winning some way similar to where i was and so i said to my of aaron. She's like what looking so so. I remember walking to the genius conference. Had these quite end the pos. It was ten grand and we went to junior bob conference and should not but show gordon michelle. Gordon was talking about technology and online spears aleutian and said something to the effect. I wish i was cities. Janka because i want to build these kind of we shot could build this kind of thing and i'd love to be what you guys on now and i was sitting there thinking. I wanna be what you are and you're saying you want to be where i am. I have to do since auto took my finding pied the deposit and then the As serendipitous moment. And i had no idea how gonna pay for it so i went back to my office and i rang my super fund manager and said can i have eighty grand sleeper. You faucet up a company and he says he's very straight licey Manager and he said no econ. That's a related party. But i want to invest and he said on vicinity grant. And that's how going. And then i went to the bank of mom and dad and said what do you think about. This night went very wealthy but by said all right well that sounds pretty good will help you. And then i kinda grand and that was it. I started on drafted a constitution and shareholders agreement. That's few dollars five. Set up a company. Enough i went. How started yeah and then you get. The first of technology through was a nightside that we ended up actually naming something much more sophisticated ones. We decided that we would online mediation. The original idea was passed. and the most serendipity. We ended up. Finding a group of full mcgregor engineered by los angeles and i built the platform. And they still with us now. Wow and you just outsource to sort of development they become your development team. That's cool. yeah so they're awesome. Nice do show. Montgomery is still ahead of engineering. By lava sorry we literally started with martin climates and working together with the team of basically shareholders at that point sort of developed the requirements adan. They built it. that's unreal. it was crazy. It was like a lot of just lawn. Yeah i think it's a combination of that. You can look back on it and say that. But it's hard work i was looking for. I think i always knew that. I wanted to do something i felt like. I had something more to offer and then i was constrained by the environment that always in i felt constrained by in strategy and no fans in particular know so much in london because although it was very constraining i also respected very much the individual and so they away. The culture was extremely strong. There will lots of individuals there. They sort of did it. But yeah i was felt like i was in a box i needed to break out of it. A maverick atop personalities. And what about you know these moments of doubt as you going down this path the lying bid at not and also this correa. You've got to the point where you dream of lures happening your end the baa. Do you go if i type this late on my be abandoning that dream. I still have that for every day. Not quite that bad. Now at the start i just thought this is just via just feeling and you feel fear into it. Anyway you can feel the fear and do it anyway because if you daren't and someone else does and you'll be kicking yourself but also iffy darn and no one else does. The problem's not going to go away. And that was why i felt actually sense of obligation on sort of wycombe. Wannabe take entrepreneur. Just sort of felt this pool could say an obvious. Answer to a complex problem and why was wondering anything of. We'll also take entrepreneurs one thing but having this incredible mine. Expertise knowledge is one of the things that probably lends itself to identifying a problem knowing intimately knowing what the solution is and take the and becomes a mechanism to david disruptive condoms completely out of lift view solution toddler and in some senses disruptive. But i guess what carpet has demonstrated. He's it's actually not disruptive it's just nixed here and it was always just nixed. But i'm not sure that people necessarily viewed at the beginning when she in the she's bocci mad faced some of them probably still think that but the thing about being a date demand expert means someone a major international law firm said to me the other day we have a lot of technology people come to us to find out what to do and it seems to ask egypt You're in you're the client you'll the target audience. Yeah i think it makes a big difference. It definitely does gonna jump ahead in jump back. 'cause questions come to my mind so i have to ask it. So does immediation solve the problem that it reduces the time in the cost but monetary and mental of justice. Does it actually help yet donostia It does sorry. I mean not necessarily in the way that we originally envisaged that it would but when now building compliance management systems that are entirely new so in in new zealand. We've got one sport. Anyone in sport can complain to the service and we're handling it in an entirely new way. That's not decide that the original concept of commercial disputes bang resolved quickly eighties. We've had a lot of success in that. But i guess when doing different things with the technology that we thought than we thought we would and the the sad is the us. Love of clients who've never been to coordinate a go to court. Never be able to thank you properly for keeping them out of code. 'cause they'll never know what the hell ever voided. Let's possibly cherry. It's a big win. We talked about Before we turn the microphones on the judgment and learning process to running a company being responsible shareholders in having a completely different set of responsibilities to being in a conservative profession with responsibilities to the court into the lower until your clients slow moving compared to very quick dynamic. Has that adjustment. Bain and growing into this role. I feel like it's a continual growth thankfully. I think have been able to stay with that cave. Probably because of the background. That i have had in corporate loyal you know even very complex like convertible nights in sort of equity structures imminent and all. That hasn't been an issue for me which i think sort of helps a lot. The white of the responsibility for the shareholders rested really heavily on me and still does particularly the original ones. Sorry we were lucky enough to be offering exit in the loss ran that we need to those initial shareholders have the needs took it but that was a massive white shoulders because they go to five times return. And i'm not right will. Gd it's on you. And i said to them. This is your risk now. Wide open placed on on the journey but that was sort of huge relief appearance carry on his shareholders yet yet. They did on my dad's mom deed and side. That is very sweet and helpful because it means it. My shareholding eat our family shareholding slightly. Boston going to say about the the white of the responsibilities actually quite similar. It feels very similar out to knowing that you are the buck stops with you as a lawyer. Trae the buck stops with the as md and we treat ethical and legal problems in the same line. We always do the right thing. We always comply with the low weight. I'm sort of big on that. And we try to do business ethically and responsibly. Yeah yeah do you have to fight from caving yourself getting drawn into some of the disputes. You say come across the platform the you can take a completely dispassionate view. You don't even say yeah. I don't get involved in the middle part of you. The wants to get involved because the old adversary juices do not. Oh nights and i mean. I'm very fortunate. My sister is now running. Out labeling containment. She's actually running the new zealand contract. I needed to clean myself at one. Stage i sort of begged for help. She's a litigator fifteen years experience slash. She's of much closer to the day-to-day machinations of what's going on the clients than i am just going to be a family business video does it does mean we're gonna tame bath. Eighty paypal saudis a lot bigger than than just auspice. Good having her on board fantastic told her this capital rising. So when did you sort of pinch yourself and go my go-to business here. This is fantastic. And then when did you good actually gonna go real big opportunity here. We need more money to pursue it effectively. So i sort of rise the fist. Five hundred three. I guess what is now on now known as a family and friends around and that was enough to build the platform and will the platform has been existed and then we went well if we're going to go to market and actually get a panel of legal experts. We can't do that with no money. And that was the point at which we started taking external capital. My fellow executive director. Nick northgate introduced me to some folks in perth who are ille- sade investments. After a lot of hard work we got them on board. And that's how we got going but that was really selling them the drain because we had some validation from the legal profession. Indaba is jerry Months roth okay. But we couldn't have built it without that so it's one of those chicken and things yup and logos it's thing in these take businesses because ultimately these investors are also sophisticated both in the literal sense and figurative sense. They know what they're getting into. They ultimately backed proposition back. Someone that believe can execute on so it's all about who is what is the. Id does have legs. Who is the founder and tonight yet can i execute and they needed trying bicycling in that. That's why visited a other elements of capital rising had distracting. It is when you go to business to run a conflict. Platform to build develop development team ally will prices. How do you manage that because capitalizes completely time. Consuming consuming in itself. It's very hot. I mean we were the fact that we managed to get by guys from ultra capital on board made a massive difference because once we had them then they sort of sheep me all around piss to talk to older nights at causes libation all arrest and that kind of sized that was going to talk to john. I and you're on the beach at on the bait gic and i sort of get around in shorts and thongs a that might a lot of money. In mining speculative investments with some of these guys. Not all of them. Some of them were very serious. Canaccord and this is the network. Yes and we tapped into that work and then through them. We ended up being authority and then we did the big grandma's she which reports him for million. Yep so that was huge because obviously alex Gravitas in the market and his track record is pretty amazing piper again too. I was something else. That's shooting the lights out. So there's more pressure fully off its pressure on the one hand but also described because they are helpful and we know the role of paypal that dino and their willingness to help bring them up and say what do you think about this and that and they really opinion helpful yet which is great. They're not sort of passive in the background. That very much they for what you need them for you and i think again it goes to show when you're doing not just the family and friends in any kind of ram when it comes to take in this quarter long runway between development and getting the clients and getting revenues that you have to the rock paper deceit as your shareholders back. Because you don't want someone calling up once awake. Sign has the company valuation going. We any closer to getting in the exist and that happens if you end up with. Unsophisticated mr Mice of the people who've invested perhaps with the exception of my parents had money to louise and earn invested. I guess the cream of their portfolio on something that the heart that get a tax return on and one above. Now you go team. Heavy southbound building a team heart. Yeah they're great fund. I mean i do pinch myself the quality of the people that we have from the engineers through to marketing in the legal innovation people. I mean we're very diverse. So we have taken active active diversity measures so i i'm aiming agent gender and every possible measure. Try really hard. But that makes the fun because you got everything from sixty down to twenty s and there will ramesh reach tapestry of law really. Yeah they cool very committed. It feels like a big family in some ways is always it's managing. This'll detentions that image. I think in attain environment particularly one that Agile inside foss moving. He's todd but they they get lift to their own devices a lot and i just kind of they're all self status because otherwise that wouldn't work does environment you're to say Lewis are often very self directed very Personalities take melt so much conveyed the other way A lot of passive top suspiciously developers without wanting to stereotype. Some of them can be you know not as socially forthcoming so xena pretty good accounts any google in there probably outlaws in some respects the capabilities but any changes in management style. You fill fee so going from covert lawson tidily. Yeah you have to dial it down. I mean the way that we would manage as low is and the way that i guess traditionally managed as a senior associate deal. Times is very command and control elements just the way that it was and eat reminds. I don't know still let that anal now but you just do what you were told that was that yes so every now and then every now and then i sort of come up against that unlike well. We're doing it. Because i that's my season and i think the team mcconnell used to that but it is funny how you sorta have to to really try to bring out that sort of collaborative aspect of this analogy because the actually braids a bit probably a better outcome when you take the time to listen to everyone's opinion and sort of something and let it kick around for a while you end up in a bed Totally takes longer. It's more arduous to get their eludes into high performing. But the founded the pub light at not drinking too much complaining workplace. We try and take teams. You know. maybe they don't have that will some. Sometimes you don't have that really hard to but jesus alot nassir workplace to be a part of tribeca. Edify say it it happens. It does happen occasionally but the people that hero he because i wanted wannabe use. They know he. Because it's a money-making situation. Really i mean there will bank pies it not probably at the top of their market value. Because you just can't stop so then he under jurist like some of us were as article. grads him blame appearance for that. A different that's a whole another podcast. I think it's an amazing story. A love the fact that you know some of these archaic institutions which are incredibly hard to to raise to becoming more accessible paper. I'm sure this Walls to climb over breakthrough as you go but the technology ultimately and the results speak for themselves and that'll be Today so luck with all of that but thank you so much before we finish the quickfire round. So what invention do you hope to see in your lifetime probably flats tomorrow. It's which is not really an invention but it's it's progress. But i guess the thing that i really hard. I actually really genuinely hard to die. Resolve the climate change issue and the world kind of comes together on that. Because that's the thing that keeps me awake at night. Worrying about the kids keeps his scholley. Humans a resourceful enough to fix that problem. It will be not too light not too late. Yeah that'd be the big question mark when they actually decide to be resourceful. Let's listen you've learned the hard way not to be good. What book should every company build a read. The hard thing about hot on my favorite books. Yeah absolutely. I read that book and cried. Unlike someone understandable gun going. We actually talked about it today because we had to swap out development team because of what's happening in india and in Complaining that have difficult. It was disabled looking up the stairs. I say will just read the whole thing about how things that will give you. Some conflicts not unique to us. That's absolutely right. What's the main reason people who get into disputes. Actually enough in cold. Stop an eager. A guy end the principle of a matter of often joke with my executive directed the principle of the matter of the lawyers. Favorite woods is just is usually a human as a human issue that when you have a dispute very often illegally she very very rarely illegally shoots often interesting. What experience shaped much would my dad mom on the way. There is me and the lessons that i told me was the question. You're asked woolen any of it. Used to be. How do you do all of. This is a mum now. It's had he managed banging barista in entrepreneur. Sign tom. it's fake listed. What advice should i on found as he'd think long and hard about whether you really wanna do it. Do you have the tenacity in the commitment to keep getting up waking up in the middle of the not and thinking. What am i doing with my life. You've got to get to that point and get through it so many times. You have to be really committed to to exercise in pushing self-doubt facade. It is really an yet just pure commitment and graft and hustles so many things but the tenacity to keep going is probably number one absolutely annoys super-busy mediations very exciting no-doubt when the travel ban lifted will you be off to other jurisdictions trying to get it in their visit the development team in los angeles so today. Thanks very much for you time you story and thank you for being disciplined. Thank you so much.
0149: Election Overview with Daniel Nichanian (10/29/2018)
"Hey, guys, it's Kelly happy eight days before election day over the next week. We would love to hear in play your stories of how you've become involved in this election cycle. Rainy stories you have about going to vote this time, you can leave those this voice meals on our voicemail line at eight four seven seven seven three zero three to four in. Stay tuned for details about our live show on election night. Tuesday, November six eight to nine PM central will have results analysis since the special guest, you won't want to miss it. Listen. Hi, everyone. This is Kelly with two broads talking politics. I'm here with Sophie, who's returned from her weekend of canvassing hazo fee. Hey, Kelly, I'm tired. But I made it wasn't as scary as I thought good and joining us tonight is January machine Yeon who is a fellow at the Justice collaborative anti also at it's the appeal political report that some of you may have seen recently. And a lot of our listeners probably know him best on Twitter as tenure so. Hi, daniel. Hi. Yeah. Thanks so much for joining us. Thanks for having me. Yeah. So maybe could we start with just could you tell everybody just a little bit about your background? And how you got to what you're doing. Now. Sure. So I think I think a lot of people who might have reason I guess I'm here is I've just been very attentive to sorts of action. And and and that's an I'm very excited to talk to talk to you about about everything that's happening in old mean ten days. Now, I it around the corner fiction. But so my background. I I was I did a PHD in political science at the university of Chicago. And I was opposed talking to pull the after that and the month of working at the Justice collaborative which is relation that works. Committal Justice reform, and and that's actually very interesting intersection between the things I said because cook them those reform is very much something that that stake in elections across the board the elections sheriff elections referenda often not. Early visibly. So we often miss the importance of that. And so it's been very very exciting to get to fly out on on Twitter, or in the writing editing. I'm now doing on on these issues, and hopefully, we'll get talk about that as well. Yeah. Yes. For for real background. I not everybody knows this. He listens. But I work at the university of Chicago. And so I sort of knew or knew of at least annual right and was in a Twitter damn room during one of the special elections. And you know, was like this guy's got the all the best info that you know, that too. And I was like wait, I know him. Yeah. So I think that's how the people that. I follow on Twitter inference with Twitter sort of know of you is the sort of really deep knowledge of kind of all the races that are going on around the country at any time. And you know, this is certainly the first year of my life, and I've ever paid any attention to special exhibitions. I mean, I think sort of a new pastime that a lot of us now that we didn't in the past. So you know, I spend a ton of time looking at things like New York Times pulling ballot pedia and stuff. But I'm wondering how you are tracking all of this. You know, how you sort of pay attention at everything all at once. So could you maybe sort of talk through how you got to this level of sort of knowing everything that's going on in the country. Yeah. I don't have a good answer other than if you kind of things that if you care kind of Billy you and a math thing information left and right. And you know, it's not it's not I don't have a method to madness madness twi-. But it's just yeah. I think I think just paying I think depend on some of this project very is is much easier to to get information about what happening control Senate. Or house obviously right over hot spots are. But then then when you look at at at state level information, I think if you wanna be attentive to what's going on at the state level. And there's there's a lot of we think you mentioned a few the illegal selections. Also, very good coverage of everything that's that is on the ballot. But just put her more and more. Generally, if you follow brought enough people you get so much information of what's happening around the country. But, but I think specifically on having a lot of what I've been doing in recent months has been kind of trying to myself create that level of tension, and and bred to to think about the who then sheriff raises because DD doesn't that doesn't exist in there with the cure set of resources to to us to figure out what's interesting on at at that level of government. Even though he's care about. What do you think is all set so much of the action is there for that level? That's really that's really picking what was really trading that often very hard to even find out on government rights because actually who the where who's running the what. So that actually took actually take a fair amount of research, an ex acting what the counties are running and what positions they may or may not have been contested election. So yeah. And I I maybe I'll plug my I have this spreadsheet on nine while what's on the ballot that com where just kind of tried to bring everything together, we also lay when you think about all this stuff so much. It's just a way to put everything together in one place kind of remember everything that's happening. There's hundreds of elections that actually very very very interesting. And so and so it's a good thing. Remember, yeah. There's important auditor vase higher that actually important for this for this particular reason or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. We've got a spreadsheet of one hundred fifty one races where tracking and it's just 'cause we happen to have spoken to the people in those races. Right. Which is a lot. Yeah. They may. Or may not be interesting for any other reason to anyone else, but they're interesting to us. But you're spreadsheet has four hundred seven things I think as of right now right now, it's going I think the last thing I that that I think when I lost it at four hundred eighty three hundred and forty and I think added some myself, but what's great about Twitter and media is that a lot of people that I kind of did a call for cult where I know call ideas of very of election, better happening at the at the county level that are very important to people who are were living in this county, and that they would want to make a case for why they're important to why they all why all the people should should know about them and often they are very important. Often like they're some like people can fly a race of county clerk that for versus degrees end has been important for voting rights vocally or election like that that that that are hard to find even on Twitter even at news because you don't even know what what you're looking for. So that's been a great resources. Well, one of the things I've been sort of trying to figure out is how on election night, we're gonna look up just the one hundred fifty one races that we're watching and those are all racist that more or less will be posted on places like New York Times there a few that are kind of, you know, down to city council level that may or may not be there. But but a lot of this stuff you're going to have to go searching for to a. Plan for lex tonight. I think I think it does any I think I'm having a void about tonight. I think I've been things are not that hard to find on government. I usually government can be bad about candidate list or a lot of or registration information. Or a lot of other information that should be much more transparent. But elections are not an action with other not that hard because I we'll be harder. As is kind of figuring out what happening at the level of higher level, especially for state senates and houses because usually everyone the AP and your time are usually focused on calling the half in at the federal level. And so and three TV too. It's kind of that that's a little harder to pay attention attention to who's controlling these they'd have. But I think I as you said, I think a lot of people are very excited about couple of years, special elections, statehouse and faith. Level as well. I think they'll be a little more attention this year. And hopefully, I'll I'll try and bring out friend big some call than productions as well. What are you doing on election night of? In terms of covering all this. Well, still we're doing a live show. So hey, everybody who's listening? We're doing a live show still a little bit in the works. Still has a schedule napped out for us to start around eight PM central. And so if you're gonna drive down that afternoon, I think yeah, I'm going to leave work early. And be there in time for us to all eat something before we start, and then we'll get started. Yeah. So I I'm not entirely sure I'm thinking of maybe sort of crowd sourcing this Google spreadsheet of the races where looking at and giving people a few states to focus on. Yes. That'll be our I don't think we're going to try to beat anybody to making calls or anything. Right, right. But yeah, I mean, and it it's interesting. You know, I think one of the things this whole experience opium. Sure, you agree is that we know so many of these candidates in kind of a personal way. Now that you know, there's the whole like, of course, I care if Democrats take the house like care about certain measures that are ballots and things like that. But there are racist that nobody else in the world might care about all that much or don't necessarily affect the balance of power somewhere or something. But the I care really deeply about because these people are now, my friends, you know, or followed their campaign so closely, and so I think that's a not wholly good thing. In terms of how happy or upset we're going to be on election night. But it's a really interesting aspect of it now, and I feel like that's going to be true for a lot of people that there are particular races where they've sort of given their all to it. They've been out canvassing, and you know, for for a year now, and that's going be I-. Interesting thing for us to sort of all process, and I think no matter no matter what happens at any level in the matter who you what you care about your supporting they will be things. There's so many things that are so important not a Senate house, but there's a friend that are that that could be so important and impactful that that could be hard to have one mood on election night, 'cause they will be saying that go better awards than you know, the the the big picture banks even. Being twenty twelve like, no matter no matter what what happened top of the. They're always things done unbalanced. Like, I'm thinking of. Of two thousand eight where you know, the the the big symbolic huge Obama victory. But then also people also. Have you ever were probate path in in in pastoring in California? I remember that night because that because that call came out of later in the night, I think it was tight. I think when when the Alexa von prop eight was still hide, and then and then the kind of hard, you know, that the swings back and forth 'cause that was a big deal the ODA gay marriage of in California, which banned gay married forty years that so maybe that's a place to start sort of thinking through this election is sort of. I've been thinking about this time line thing that you know, from the time that some of the early east coast races start to get called to. I mean, California's sometimes take a week or two. And and that may very well be the case in some of the house seats, for instance, in in California, and Mississippi might very well might one of the Senate seats might go several weeks later, so you know, maybe we can sort of get down to the nitty gritty of things that that are interesting to look at. But how would you sort of make sense of election night in terms of what are the early indicators? You think we might have about kind of how the night is going go great great question. So the first base close our, Indiana and Kentucky close it. I believe at six pm would start living at six PM eastern time, which which is very early and that whole of conversation. That's why white would be early because a lot of people who are coming back from work might not be able to work to vote afterwards. But it does. So so so that that is the bad part? The good thing is that Jim. Indicator of what's going on Indiana, obviously has very important address. When comma democrat is is trying to is trying to win a second term, and and you should be and we should get results indication of how that's going within an hour and a half of the polls closing and one of the most important penetrates. Nothing will will have essential where that's going similar league Kentucky, the very important how how can Kentucky six district where we may also get fairly fairly quickly. I mean, the other thing that will come is Florida's very quick counting nowadays. So I think pull stark losing seven their eastern time for most of the state, and and and with it if they just dumped its voiding total. Our did so many ballots defend within twenty minutes, and then and then more and more club come in come slowly. So I think you know, I think I think and so much happening. I think as we all know. So I would say I would say that are going to be the indicators. But then right. It's gonna take weeks, California, Washington and all the mail states. That's what that. Yeah. Incidences largely won't matter a lot I Senate organ governorship. I guess could could be a little bit up in the air. But, but there are a lot of house seats on the west coast this year that are could go either way. Yeah. The orange Orange County alone in California. I have so many how many how safe is very, and they're all kind of part of the past two majority that better kinda maybe the easiest path to the democratic majority. Now house is very possible that that it does I'm down to Orange County. And even if them across are winning there, it might not be clear for a few days because because so many ballots so many ballots counted after election night, so I would not not necessarily. I think if they're having a good night. Won't come down to Orange County. But. Things are tight. I think people might have to wait a few days. That's going to be terrible. Go have a good night. Don't leave it all county or Washington state where things could do awhile to count to write on the criminal Justice side of things take us through a some of the stuff that isn't as much to the top of mind for a lot of people the things that are really important to be watching. Yeah. I mean, I think the reason why people should should be people should watch. Komo. I mean, I think anyone who cares about up this reform in mass incarceration issue been an immigration policy as well. As often a question of law enforcement of law enforcement. It's there's so much fish so much happening. I think there's a little conversation. Citizens block matters emerge and then more recently on on immigration fundraise. Trump's election has been much more protests, and and attention to negation policy, but so much of so, but so many of the practices that that are influencing issues are being decided at the county level by officials ideas and sheriff's which which would and full in election that are in the election that are very important, but they're really on under the radar too much coverage much attention as much money, but a better, but the very much important for the kind of reason to care about winning the house or the or defended as well for him. I think that's really the answered that. That is the case for looking at some of these some of the end shark election the ball another as well is that often the as end up running for for you know, for other offices for governor Senate for house. So he's also like the pipeline to hire office also goes through lower offices. We also another reason even if you don't care about any of the other issues, I said being attention to winning alone over offices. There's very important for for for four who in the president governorships. Yeah, we talked earlier last week. I guess with some attorney general candidates. We've talked to some secondary upstate candidates in states as well. And I it's kind of been surprising to me looking through things, you know, even in states that I think of as, you know, democratic states or purple states, how many of them have Republican secretary of state attorney. General right that that's something that clearly Republicans have been focusing on. Democrats have not been prior to now. Yeah. I think I think that sounds I also, you know, so many of them have been elected in yours where Republicans particularly while twenty twenty fourteen and that I mean, you know, so much so much of the government has decided in these very public years. And and the result has been controlled by the party of so many. Levels of government, and to be general secretary of state, obviously, everyone listen to this no matter great deal. Right. And and when you could twin could change the highest and we'll see for avoiding since right who who win the state election in Ohio or Georgia could make a big coup could have a big impact on on on the field of voting. Reg, the next few years, Alabama. I'm still hoping that Heather milem pulls it out now. Bama and win secretary of state. Yeah. I think the secretary of state of Alabama blocked me on fritter because I want to things that were that were implying that is with great job for anybody. Right. And he did not enjoy that. But I think he does a lot of people think that I think give give you happening in the office down there. I tried to get plucked by the Alabama secretary of state. Last weekend. But he didn't take the bait. I'm sorry about that. It seems like a badge of honor at this point two. Yeah. What are some of the L it measures referenda things like that that you're watching? Oh, there's so much. We could like about a lot of things. The big one that maybe the most obvious and probably the most people thing though that but Florida amendment or he's one of the media spring springs to mind when when I think about this year amendment for the amendment that would enfranchise one point five million Floridians because Florida has very strict rules in terms of can in for Pete for people who have lost their voting rights because of felony conviction. There have it. It doesn't have any real process by which people can ever regain their right? And as a result one point seven million people are currently. Trista throat in Florida. Before would really change agree that system, and therefore whatever huge packed on on voting rights on the states on the on the state of democracy in the biggest thing in the country. But I think that I think that at the top of the list of impact, but there's a lot of other Wooding rights thing, automatic voter, registration is gonna is gonna come up in Michigan and Nevada also to offer to think there's been a wave of states have passed Bill that have legalized automatic revision just past years, but it would be very important to to start passing VR graduation in in states that have been governed by via public. And then where it's been a little more hard to get to get things back that that had the unpacked. I'll I'll just like that the Michigan to balance that has a VR in Michigan also has the same day voter registration. And it makes it easier to about by mail. So it's just like this one it shouldn't have so much in that kind of impact in also it was a very very very important on trusting. Just voting loan. Is anyone pulling those kinds of questions, you know, as the ton of polling for candidates, but not so much on the the other things. But I may just not know where to look. They haven't pulled them everything just mentioned usually voting rights initiative. Very well. And they and they usually pass or have happened recent years, which which also give which that there. Which? Something going wrong when things are not being passed at all by the state governments. Right. But for instance, to Florida there was a new poll of amendment for today by the by the New York Times, which headed headed up sixty to sixty percents thirty one percent, which is a huge lead the catcher that need sixty percent to pass. So he's lead. But it's still it's still on the cost. So we will see the the Michigan won the Michigan ping. I mentioned lead by forty percents points and polls, but so that back, but huge. But also not that surprising because that's what has happened in years whenever something kinda similar has had. So that's like also makes the case for any states that have initiative systems. These are these are spaces especially state governed by by that doesn't want reform initiative. This is a charity to get some of the stuff on the ballot similar thing happened in Wisconsin. Which is. Interesting because it was kansin we have no mechanism for voters to get issues on the ballot only the legislature can put issues on the ballot. So what's actually ended up? Having happening is like fifteen counties have their own countywide informational referendums on about a medical marijuana or the criminals ation of marijuana. So that it sort of is a similar thing to having a statewide referendum even. Because the state legislature refused to put it on the ballot isn't interested and the governor refuses to be involved in that as well. So we're sort of trying to do something like that to overcome the legislature. But it's even harder because we have no mechanism to have a state statewide ballot initiative. There would be pressure on on the government. If if if if the wind a lot of the counties. I guess it might put some more in my draw attention to it and an price on the next governor. I think it depends on how many counties in which candies vote. Yes. I think if just like my county Dane, which is where Madison is and Milwaukee pass those bills than the legislature will be able to say, oh, it's just those, you know, liberal city people. But I think if the more conservative counties also pass it, I think that it really will put pressure on them because they really do have to at least pretend like they're interested in what people in the rural counties. One was just. Well, just. The there's also a referendum on marijuana in Michigan. And this one is mandatory is a binding friend. I'm so this one would go through if it also pulls very while again. This is the kind of thing that that that has has elsewhere. So that that that would also be a huge change in Michigan. If brought it to the nuclear is the marijuana. Yeah. So I'm wondering a little bit, you know, even these places that have binding referenda, you know, presumably some of these types of things would would go through right away. But you know, so I live in Illinois, and we have supposedly automatic butter registration. But it's never really been implemented. You know? So we have right now, a Republican governor, although it democratic majority in the state house and the state Senate. And so, you know, there's this weird like well things happen, but don't totally have been. Hopefully, we'll have a democratic governor seeing all polls seem to indicate that, but you know, I I wonder how much pushback there will be on some of these things, you know, by state government, either at the executive or the legislative branch that that doesn't necessarily agree with the things that are voted on. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. How you're very right bent that. All that often been a big issue. And that that's also a big problem because if you believe in if you believe in in the lexin having consequences, and in the end markets is is something added referendum. It's acted like the service to commended is is is a is a big issue. So inane last year, the Medicaid referendum path overwhelmingly and the because the and the governor has has blocked that over the past over the past year, you know, the, and there's been a big issue that come to court so that coming to be tended to and that also why basic like Michigan? Identity of the new governor or the other officials will impact how easily referendum is impacted. I do want to note that noise, I think the one I think the problem is automatic invasion has also been has been the secretary of state who. Democrats see white had missed he he's the one who missed the deadline to implement if the are the summer or few months ago. I forgot Donald but he missed that. And and what was particularly hitting when I was when when I article about about it is that he didn't seem to own up to it. And he he was claiming that it had been sort of because he had done the other change to the voter Vespasian system. Bye. Bye bye kind of making the existing system easier. And he's into that that was version without being sincere or not. But, but that is the kind of things that that that is that that that really irritates me because because I care whether he knew what he was saying with MD because it's so important to officials in know who know what to providing right and we've seen state after saints when Republicans have taken power, and they passed laws to restrict reading writing and particular important for. Democrats to go in with the practice Venda to to increase wedding and build on and build on that. So it's fading when kind of come on to that. Yes. Anyone who is looking at two primary democrat. In illinois. Jesse weight is eighty four years old again, this term and really should have been by made. But in any case any will almost certainly be reelected in November. I'm not even sure if he's opposed actually it'll be interesting to to see of some of these ballot measures increase turnout, and some of these places places with expanding Medicaid places with marijuana legalization. You know, I'm curious whether that will drive turnout, and whether that will drive turn out, you know, especially among for the marijuana among younger people when we did our North Dakota candidates. That was certainly something. They mentioned that legalizing marijuana may drive more people out in a place like North Dakota. That doesn't have that many people living in it doesn't take that many votes to win. So a change in turnout. Could definitely be meaningful. Yeah. Well, we we kind of amick a few months ago because they was supposed to be a vote in Missouri in member about the right to work while that have and it was suppose, and and when he overnight the veto referendum right to to veto to a referendum that that would overturn the the the rights work Bill and Republicans moved the referendum from November to August in something. And I remember now, I don't remember. 'cause I just like, but but papers were were were writing that it was unprecedented or percentage to to move the referendum like that. And at first it looked like they were doing that. Because they because they thought that you're to win the referendum. I mean to to to to be back your union in August because people be mobile add. But then I think the other more likely possibly is. They thought that that the higher. Or not by unions or the mobilization around our friend would would have an impact on on all other ways misery, and you know, the macaques. Senator mccaskill is up for re election there in two weeks. And and that and that may have been a way to to kind of let her not better benefit from that from from the action around that referendum that we will never know what? Sill on my list of other things to watch is what if any effect ranked choice voting has in Maine, I've been particularly looking at the main second district because the only non democratic candidate. We've ever had on is Tiffany bond who's running as an independent in the main second district, and you know, I in most places I'd be worried about an independent pulling votes, you know, from one side or the other. But in this case ranked choice voting in theory means that you know, you could have an independent who runs a strong campaign in actually helps the democrat or the Republican. So I think that'll be interesting to watch play out there any others sort of odd things like that that you're gonna be keeping an eye on. A good one. I think I mean, there's there's a lot. I mean, there's there's a lot of odd little things to keep an eye on that are kind of away from this like Alabama I having to referendum that the Michael level bar sheriffs from pick money for food in jail and just keep the money 'cause that's kind of allowed in in Alabama and answer to county gonna vote to on whether bar that so that kind of the kind of a small thing to I on on election night. Yeah. One of the other races that I've been just a totally perplexed by in general is the Alaska governor race. So. So. Last time around there was an independent running and democrat and Republican and the democrat. Withdrew his campaign. Forget the term they used for it. And he ran as the Lieutenant governor from the for the independent and the independent one. And he was the only independent governor in the country. This time around the independent is the one who has stopped his campaign, although he's not than jumping onto the ballot with the democrat. But essentially as far as I can tell he figured that. He was too far down and he's going to help the democrat by leaving the race. And it's just been like I've never seen things like this in any other state in it's very odd. One other state second think of that. Where where that keep happening Kansas because of years ago, the democrat, I think I think the same year as the Alaska governor's just the same thing happened in Kansas wherever the democrat running for Senate dropped out in September two two to an independent. Greg Orman trying to win Senate seat against Republican incumbents that didn't work out. I'm like Alaska, but then Ormond is back right now, and he's running in pennant again, except it didn't what like Alaska this time. Because it's still a speedway race in Kansas between the democrat. Greg Orman, the independent and critical co back the Republican who who's famous for his position too true to letting rights in many ways. And so that that is the race where ranks voting could make could complete could need to different result. Right because it's very unclear what didn't happen with with with with all these candidates, and where the support is gonna come from. Yeah. I've been hearing a lot of Democrats in Kansas very upset with Orman wishing that he would drop out at that race and hours we have interviewed Laura Kelly. So I I'm personally a big fan of of Laura Kelly the democrat in that race. But I think that's going to be a super close one and crisco buck the secretary of state in Kansas right now, we'll likely not step down recuse himself. Yeah. What's interesting? Is that a number of former governors have endorsed Laura Laura have endorsed Kelly in that range and the interesting because the fact that Republicans endorsed former governors interesting now forgot just who? And how many the number of them? There's Kelly interesting and of itself, but especially interesting because there's an independent rights. Right. So if so if they I mean presume part of what's happening is Chris back not is someone to our our seem seem to extreme to Republic. And and so you would expect an easier step for them to take would be to go to the independent and be like, oh, we blow on Quebec. Well, we'll just take once that too. But it's been interesting to see that that has been so much going to Calais that in that election from from from the inside, I believe Sam Brownback as the only former governor who has not endorsed her. And I. Expect that he will. She doesn't speak very highly. Sam brownback. Does anybody Chris Koba probably does? I remember seeing Kovac was Frank to run back rights to primary which I didn't know I had the room to bags. Variety. But but but Chris Kovac somehow doing this. Any little sliver of space to his right? Right. Right. So we have in our hundred and fifty one candidates that we've spoken to so far. We've spoken to a lot of state legislative candidates as well, I and I get the impression from a lot of them that they don't get as much attention that people aren't thinking as much about state legislatures, but that has been a really important past the Republicans have used to try to pass a lot of the things they want to be passing in states, and especially with the census coming up and redistricting in places where that's done by the state legislature. So what are the states where either Democrats can can get full control, or you know, Republicans can or you know, things can be shifted a little bit that that you're especially watching. Yeah. So I mean, there's a lot could change at the state government in part because because if there is a wave or when there's a way it tends to kind of submerge. When the time when you go down the ballot, and and maybe there's been less attention by the defending party or less money for then things can just change even quicker than at the federal level. And so and and that is what happened Republicans in twenty ten and that and that them up at the beginning of that decade to draw the maps right to Damascus rest of the decade west mall level, which is an legit which is believed has helps them keep the help keep keeping the Geordies. But I think there's a lot of states where Democrats could gain a full can print control of the government in a couple of weeks. So Colorado, Maine, New York, Illinois, come come come to mind with immediately maybe is deal because all that would need to change the the governor. And definitely looks like that the one that's flipping also other other places like in Florida. It's unlikely that there will have. Will have control a government, but can have had full control of governmental knew full control for so long. Democrats haven't had a majority in either chamber in Florida for more than twenty years which is distracting because because it is fade. You would expect Democrats have had some share power at times, but have been power. And so if if the governorship switches, and or if there's a the Florida Senate looks like perhaps, it could it could flip it would really change the balance of power in there for that the landscape of possible change policy, right, and in in at the state level there, and you know, we we've had new we've had jersey any Washington state flip to four control or for Democrats year. And so, yeah, I think would flee twenty eighteen could see that. 'cause it's like it's more of that. Yeah. I definitely think that in Ohio. I think it's very likely that the Democrats could break the G. Oh, p supermajority in either the Senate or the house they're just the Democrats in Ohio or just running so many strong candidates in every district. And you know, I don't know if it'll be enough for Democrats to get control. I think that would be you know, sort of a big, but, but at least break, this Hooper majority seems very possible. That and also matter in. In North Carolina Republicans ahead of a majority for awhile and using maps that court found to be in a controversial new many times. But but but somehow they are still in place, and they've just been having Bill after bell that that affect Wooding specifically and that the governor has detailed they've ended and then overturned veto. And and there's there's a strong sense of Democrats break, the spur majority in either or both chambers would really change the state of governance in Carolina specifically because it keeps you know, keeps breaking news from North Carolina every month about the latest that's going on there. All right. Well, I think it sounds like we're going to have a really long night on election. Can it be on Twitter all night? And yeah, I mean, we'll be like I said we'll be doing our live show which is currently scheduled from eight to nine ish. But to impeach surprised if I start yapping at your earlier don't be surprised if we keep going longer, depending on whether or kids all fall asleep. But I, but I think it's going to be really interesting. And I think you're specially it's really great. It's super helpful the sort of that stuff on one place. What could be really interesting stuff? So you can be updating it on election night. Yes. That is the plan. We will see that goes, I think it should be to this call. But I think I'm excited to try updated on election message possible. Okay. I will say that if things aren't going. Well, so there for Democrats at the federal level and you want to get some good news somewhere. I'm sure that we some good news somewhere in the country. On the fetchy. They'll be one thing that that that goes well democrat somewhere at least. Israeli's if not more has to find one of our candidates who ends up thinking through. It was a lot easier in the primaries. Win a lot of our candidates at the state legislature level were unopposed in the primary, and we just feel like yes, they want. But yeah, things will at least be going well for Democrats in the house or so fan, I might be in vodka stupor somewhere. Well, that'll be an entertaining show than anyway. Right. Yes. Hopefully won't be having flashbacks to election night twenty sixteen lead. We had let my now seven year old then five year old. I guess stay up late to watch the first woman president elected at some point in early. We're watching the New York Times needle and realize what was happening. I was like let's watch some Star Trek. And now go to bed, then we won't tell you what happened. So hopefully, it won't be quite that bad. I on that note, not quite that that. Goforth everybody. And so over the next week or so until the election will be bringing you lots of as yet, unplanned episodes. I as things we're going to try to get a lot of people from the Twitter resistance on talking to us about the things they've been doing I'm going to be doing some updates from Illinois fourteen and well, we'll al- roll into election together. And we'll be asking listeners to call in and tell us a little bit about their experience voting and getting out the vote for our live show. So stay tuned for that. All right. And thank you so much for joining us. It's been really fun to talk to you. And I I'm sure we'll be watching your Twitter feed very closely. Thank you for having a great. I thank you. Thanks for listening to to broads talking politics. Are theme song is called. Are. You listening off of the album elephant shaped trees by the band, immune ary, and we're using it with permission of the band our logo and other original artwork. 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Episode 186: Modernizing Congress
"The u._s. congress is to say the least not very popular in poll after poll americans have both parties say that congress is broken one reason why is that this bedrock of american democracy often seems to be stuck in the dark ages people companies organizations are increasingly connecting to the internet using technology every day to change the way that we process information but congress congress often works as if the internet didn't even exist so what needs to change how can congress get fixed and how can congress use twenty-first-century technologies is to make democracy work. Hi i'm avi green and this is the scottish prodigy networks no jargon each week. We discussed an american policy problem with one of the nation's top top researchers without jargon for this week's episode. I spoke to laura like kelly. She is director of congressional modernization and a fellow in residence at beck center for social impact and innovation at georgetown university. Kelly's author of a recent report called modernizing congress bringing democracy into the twenty first century. Here's our conversation kelly. Thanks so much for coming on new jargon. It's my pleasure. Thanks for having me the laura kelly. I was really struck by this report in which you wrote that congress is quote knowledge incapacitated physically disconnected and an technologically obsolete. Let's break down each of these start me up by explaining what you're writing about in general what is the subject of this whole the sole paper. This subject is in the top line and the most important part of my work is making sure that the first branch of government and in article one in our constitution is competitive and has the capacity to solve complex policy problems in the twenty first century it say nineteenth century institution with twentieth century technology trying to solve twenty-first-century problems and it's really stock and and i think we all see that people tend to blame it on partisan politics which is a big problem in money in the system which is also a big problem but as someone who worked on the hill for ten years a lot of what i've been saying sort of systems failures and these are not impossible problems to solve so i went into you looking at congress as a system and there was no way to avoid learning the technology side so let's get into these specific ways in which congress congress as a system isn't working so first off his knowledge incapacity. What do you mean by saying. Congress is knowledge incapacitated when i say knowledge incapacitated fascinated. I i look at real terms like the fact that a congress in today's world two thousand nineteen it's experts staff capacity that means and experts that reside inside the institution either in the house senate or one of the supporting agencies like congressional research service in the library of congress. They're trending trending toward nineteen seventies levels <hes> numerically. I mean just absolutely we have far far fewer people inside congress helping solve golf complex problems and on personal staffs. This is true as well so congress. The united states has one hundred twenty million more people and congress. Has you know nine hundred seventy eighty five levels of staffing and so that is just a recipe for it to become dysfunctional. It can't handle the capacity load. It's been given <hes> but yeah congress is really stuck in its ability to have a technical platforms that are both secure an able bowl to sort and filter feedback into the system. That's one challenge. The cyber security challenges tremendous it gets attacked over five hundred million times a month and so the small amount of funding that congress gets for systems administration goes to two things really it goes to shoring up the building which is falling apart because it's a couple of hundred years old and the other part is is cybersecurity so really it's resources that it has for systems maintenance go to due to critical infrastructure needs and so there's not a lot left for experimentation for staff and personnel and for really pushing forward forward the kinds of platforms and pilot projects that we need let me ask you about another element that you bring up which is that congress physically disconnected. What what do you mean by that so <hes> it's physically disconnected in the way that you can see it on the hill when you can't get wi fi because of the big marble walls or four in this district where there's no rural broadband and a members rural kind of kiosk or traveling office hours get defeated defeated by a rainstorm and attend roof. That was an actual case in arkansas when i was interviewing district staff so it's physically disconnected both because it's this old marble building on the mall so it's not devolved into the states in a way that is accessible and helps people govern themselves <hes> in nine hundred district offices in this country for example. They don't have a policy apparatus setup around them. We don't have a devolved a support what system and americans feel disenfranchised and cut off. That's one of the biggest sources of dysfunction there is no real consistent and trustworthy feedback loop going on and part of that is the actual weaponization of information but a part of it is that the technology is just not there yet for congress. I think one of the things americans need to sit down and realizes that congress it has to have a special system built for it. It's a unique system. It can't just buy off the shelf technology. It's the first branch of government it has to be. The more secure it is the critical infrastructure of democracy and we don't give it the resources to do that so lurid kelly you also mentioned <hes> obsolescent specifically technological obsolescence just just to find that for me and give me an example okay technological obsolescence. It's happens in many ways on the hill. Keep in mind that you're dealing with a generational age gap between sort of thirty and eighty and so you've got members of congress still think hitting the tab key instead of five spaces is a revolution and then you've got members of congress. There's who are brand ambassadors for off the shelf products like zoom or a slack that are allowing realtime teamwork communication asian happening within their offices and they wonder why can't we have this committee. Why can't i find bring in the best person from seattle well who knows about distance testimony instead of having them fly in six hours across the country and then have to fly home just so they can testify in person so these kinds of questions from the outside world are showing up across the board in the workflow of congress. One thing that i found that was was quite inspirational. All in your paper was that you had identified reasons for hope and and some of those reasons for came from resources that right back to people's districts so i'm hoping you can give <hes> some examples of that kind of thing you broke it into a rural area and a suburban area and in urban areas so tell me about a member of congress chris <hes> coming from a rural area who might be doing something that that shows a little bit of a path a pathway forward a rural area sure yeah i mean the member of congress that i worked with in a rural arkansas rick crawford. He is dealing with a district that takes twelve hours to drive between in his district offices because so when you say being able to distance testimony untrustworthy participation. This is the kind of member that we're talking about. He can't possibly spend spend quality time in each of these offices. So most of it tends to center in jonesboro is a wonderful district staff. They're all sort of from the area area. They have on the road caravans that go around and connect consistently rural broad brand. Failure is the biggest problem there. You're so what he's done to sort and filter information that are appropriate for his needs. Which are the agriculture committee. I believe is the most most important when he set up citizen advisory councils who also have the deputized basically to meet without him and talk incentivize about the problems in the policy issues that might be coming upstream and he touches base with them regularly to figure out like where their patterns are occurring. How do identify voices in the you know the nuggets of gold in the in the noise of people that might provide really helpful timely liam formation so he's sort of created this division of labor of civic voice in his own district. That's very human and then he checks back in with them. I thought that that was a wonderful example. It's interesting to think of it not just as a method of maintaining relationships with your constituents but also as a method of you yourself as a member member getting information that you can act on well. Let's go to the suburbs now. Tell me about some of those okay so i just loved <hes> the suburb that i got that. I am getting members to agree to let you come into their office and follow their staff rob. It was actually harder thought but i did get three who matched the you know archetype. We wanted the suburb that i got a representative. Seth moulton which is north shore massachusetts suburbs north of boston now. This is a dreamy district for civics because it's got some of the oldest settlements in the united states so you know they. They wrote the plymouth agreement down the road. The <hes> boston tea party was planned a beforehand by a series of town hall meetings as a westerner. Just it was in constant admiration of new england and every time i went there to do these projects so at mr moulton gotten congress in his mid thirties and he brought a lot of off the shelf expectations and tech ah technology with him. I think the most important thing that group of staff has been doing is using products like slack to create a continual conversation between the district in d._c. And so it's like policymaking is a pickup team as so is <hes> connecting with constituents where they have real specific methods of identifying patterns of connecting for example district staff with committee staff which is one of the hardest pathways of communication is committee staff inside congress the kind of sheltered they don't connect with the outside world very much unless it's really intentional and we need to try to figure how how to smooth that and streamline the information that's coming from districts which is constituent services information which could be complex policy. A knowledge like one of the maker spaces in north shore district is specifically focused on marine biology and ocean's solutions like what a great fresh group of voices to bring into a policy conversation on ocean preservation for example and he introduced some bills so that's an example zampa there and again. It's really detailed much more in those districts and i'm also happy to connect with other academic types who are interested in implementing ideas to parse out. How do we create a hybrid model for every district because it became obvious when i started this project that there was not going to be one-size-fits-all fits all that we actually have to do the hard work of four hundred thirty five and then one hundred in the senate we have to do it. It strikes me to as that the challenge right is creating institutional change because if you don't create institutional change that is to say new arrangements between congress <hes> at the level offices and staff and these information resources in the district's then what what has to happen is everything has to go through the members themselves and end the members simply can't funnel that much information especially when they have so many other things to do like deliberating with each other running for reelection raising money focusing on their own you know one or two or three core issues of everything has to go through the member. You're just not not gonna get the the knowledge of america kind of contributing to congress is that is that sort of how you approach it. Absolutely this is <hes>. This is a challenge of optimization of of all of these wonderful resources these honest you know non conflicted individuals in districts who have life experience looked experience. We call it and affiliated expertise meaning. They studied it for years are taught it for years or in a business where they implemented these ideas ideas for years simply. Creating a platform for congress is what i'd love to see the tech industry do as a civic duty and create a safe protected non-commercial non monetize method for americans to communicate within their democracy. It would be to me the biggest gift to democracy since everybody came together to fight fascism in world war two i in the defense industry everybody. Everybody consolidated their effort to a top line future goal. Which is we have to defeat this horrible menace. We need to do that again right now. And i'm you know i don't i'll have to illustrate what's going on. We've got really dangerous social disruption of social fabric in this country with <hes> violent violent and dangerous and anti-democratic factions arising and we have a system that again is not set up <hes> with the resources to be able to push through and unify and i'm so interested in that kelly because a lot of times when people talk about improving congress chris for example or improving democracy oh this is really sleepy. Why don't you care about what happens inside of these buildings but to some degree if these institutions the tuition's can't deliver for americans will that's why right. That's why people might say oh well. Democracy doesn't work. Let's try a autocracy. Democracy doesn't work. Let's try anarchy you know and and what is democracy in the united states if it's not <hes> if it's if it's not congress i agree this is so this is much showing my bias here but i think congress is a miracle. I think that the first branch of government is a miraculous structure that has been badly neglected and has become derelict in a lot of ways and the concept of democracy has gone with that it is shocking to me to see how many young people think that top down dictators style systems might work and you also here just in the general media comparisons the united states to parliamentary systems and they're so completely different that that just could never work here. I would argue that parliamentary system the legislative the body just kind of does what the executive says because they're the same party that streamlining is built into it. You can't do that here. Absolutely not people feel he'll really entitled to have an individual civic voice in trying to force. This parliamentary system is top down system. That's coercive in punishing onto a congress is just it's one of the reasons why it stopped working so i feel like americans just got to know their own system. Then what a miraculous system it is and we need to update and modernize it. We don't need to change that much. Even we need to support it really tell me a little bit about urban areas so we went. We talked about rural and suburban. Tell me about something happening in the city so they city that i ended up studying leading was nashville and it's a member of jim cooper who i just love and his staff. He's been in congress since the nineties. He's an older member so he's not so bought into lake all shiny new technology although his office has set up communications methods that almost like reap the best of technology eh and the members office itself had something like sixty years of institutional memory on the staff and that they had such edge seamless communication going back and forth in such talented communications staff in each location and that's significant when you're dealing with a'digital world the member didn't have to be a techie or even be someone who like was out experimenting in the apple store ron weekend that he did they. He had a new phone he was not. He's not a tech person but what he's empowered his staff to do again is to let everybody everybody be part of a pickup team for communications for example they harvest sort of relationships in in the tennessee area at universities based on these his long-standing trusted relationships in the the other thing is that his chief of staff travels back and forth between d._c. In nashville week the member i thought another really interesting thing in tennessee which has really low voter turnout by the way has big civic challenges for participation dissipation mr cooper they stopped doing town halls a couple years ago. I think in after two thousand nine town halls became very problematic for many members because that that was the sort of tier of the tea party revolution where people fighting against read they became highly politicized politicize antagonistic and also really unproductive even for members who are so short on time like they can deal with angry you know free speech issue is what they can't deal with is just wasting their time with the the same people hogging in open mic and so they really were required to develop more curated smaller meetings in their staff in some cases we're empowered to also go out out and do that but he developed a method community conversation which takes place in the public library and the beauty of it too is his office is located downtown town on one of the main streets in nashville in the public library. You know you tie a specific set of nods specific senate connections in your paper over <hes> between libraries and universities and <hes> offices of members of congress and i don't think people usually see those things is connected but you do can you talk a little bit about why and what those connections can and should be like in the ideal yes for sure and those are the three most important ones is that members of congress should be trusted interpreters of complexity and how it impacts local like your district nine hundred thousand people and libraries and universities public universities mind not the private universities but public universities yes they are allowed to integrate and interact with congress in a way that private entities cannot and this is actually just written into the rules of congress and when you you think back on the founding of land grant public university system it makes perfect sense. The cooperative extension program is a good example of rural in knowledge denotes setup in the last century to help rural economies update to modernize with industrialization and these are like an office with any university whose goal is to deploy research to play information. Not you know just to get things published or anything but to actually help. Local farmers and economies have have higher yields get more corn. You know <hes> like real practical goals. It's it's amazing to me that that model hasn't been applied yet systematically to helping governments governments in a special and and members of congress in particular. I think that's what we need to to happen to have happened in. This is something anybody who's listening to this can do is go in and then <music>. Ask like what would a digital extension service look like because now data is a commodity and is also very valuable and how do we start protecting the civic serving part of that. Make sure it's available in non privatized annan. How do you make sure that these public serving entities in keep in mind line. These are all also auditable entities meaning that you can look at the supply chain of information into policy. If we started relying more on public generated data for public purposes the executive branch is part of this as well the agencies in d._c. And around the country are full of brilliant public servants like their the voice is we have to figure out how to get their public serving knowledge into the supply chain of information policy and we can create a way like imagine imagine this visualized in a hearing room where you had an ability to you know the commercial products called tableau creates these beautiful visualizations of data and how they forecast what happens you could do this on amendments. You could do this on votes like what's going to happen and you could be very clear and straightforward about out where the information is coming from. Is it coming from the land. Grant schools coming from a a self identified set of town halls civic voice. I it's almost like a new division of labor of participation in the data economy for policy-making right. It's it's so interesting to think about the at in a time when moving information around is increasingly cheap. It's not just about having information. It's about having the right information shen and being able to say where you got it in a way that's provable. I you know i had never heard that term. Auditable referred to that way but certainly. I think that that's what i would want. A member of congress to we do right is say we're interesting piece of new legislation to this amendment and the reason that i'm doing it is because i learned x. And you know whether it's in the speech or not in the testimony there's link here's where i learned x. and i got it from this university and here's the peer reviewed research that i got. I heard this from my constituents and here's you know when it was heard how you know it's it's amazing to think how far how far we could go. It's amazing and it's absolutely doable. It's hard but it's not impossible and we have the ability resources interest and motivation americans want. This members of congress want this. I think what we need to do. Now is help them pilot it projects that are solid and that <hes> they can share and just to the last comment. I would have is that when i worked in congress congress. What i noticed was that the common knowledge sharing system had been decimated either purposely or through neglect what we have the chance to do now now is build a new knowledge comments for democracy. We have the infrastructure in place. It needs to be modernized. Unconnected and citizens can participate in that in a new way. A lot of it is a change of heart. I think for people not only culturally but about democracy is we have have the framework in place but it's not connected in a way that can operate in the modern world more like thank you so much for coming under jargon is absolutely early my pleasure thank you and thanks for listening more unwarlike kelly's italy's research and a link to her new report checkout our show notes that scholars dot org slash jargon. No jargon is podcast of the scholars strategy network. We're a nationwide organization that connects journalists policymakers and civic leaders with america's top researchers improved policy ranked in democracy producer of our show is dominant are sound engineers van by it. If you liked the show please subscribe and rate us on apple podcasts. Wherever you get your show and you can give us feedback on twitter and no juergen podcast were email at new jargon scholars dot org.
Triad Moms on the Mic - Holiday Traditions
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And we're talking about christmas traditions And specifically as we started brainstorming about this it became more of nudges. Christmas traditions but christmas boundaries. And so i'll start with one of my traditions. That is also a boundary with everybody in the family is When my kids were babies. I decided very early on that. They would have christmas morning in their home every year. That that was like just a non negotiable. And i think at that point we had in laws and florida Of course now. I live in north carolina and the in laws are in kentucky and my mom is in ohio That has not always been a popular stance But for me and for my sanity. I just felt like that was That was just an important thing. You wake up. Santa comes to your house your presence or under your tree and like if we go someplace we go honestly earlier in december so that it's not just pandemonium around christmas because i do so much work to make christmas happen that i kinda wanna be able to sit back and enjoy it. Maybe we'll wine as early as eleven. Am on chris. Rock like the holiday right now. So yeah what are some of your Some of your traditions and some of the things that like. You've just kind of had to like you know. Draw a line in the sand with your families about shaun. I've been married twenty five years. We've had a child twenty of those so it's been a long time That we've had to kind of develop these rules and regulations around holidays that this year is walk-o So one of our traditions has always been My mom for you know as long as my dad has been gone which is seventeen years. My mom comes over and spends the night for christmas eve and My inlaws come over at the crack of dawn. Because you know everybody gets up at five o'clock in the morning to open presence and eat see's candies because that's what you do on christmas morning But my husband. And i were talking last night that you know things are weird and difficult and our primary concern during all of this is our elderly relatives and i know my mom doesn't want to hear this but she's old and we have to protect them. So you know my kids are in school word like germ factories in even though we do all the things that we're supposed to do we don't really feel comfortable with them hanging out breathing our air all day so we have not had those conversations yet with our parents I know that they know that these are this is our decision to set these boundaries. Because we're concerned for them. We want to keep them healthy. But at the same time you know. We always say about our mothers. You can't tell them shit you know 'cause you know now and i'm sure that i'll be the same way when i get to a certain point with my kids You know they're not going to be happy with the so having this conversations even having been a part of each other's families for as long as we have been don't ever get easy not for me anyway and because i want everybody to be happy And do what they wanna do and in be joyous and this is supposed to be such a special and magical time of year for a lot of different reasons And it feels like a little bit of that is missing this year Yeah that yeah. That really has traditions that we have going to church traditions and having a big meal traditions going shopping traditions in all of those things You know that doesn't for those of us who celebrate christmas Based on a faith those that doesn't go away but that other stuff is really pretty cool to on a lot of. It's gone this year this year. I'm just super impressed. That you can get your people to wait until five. Am to get his last year. I had a child who woke up at eleven fifty eight or the day of the day. Like wasn't done come down. Stare them failed tastic. Only guys coda. What what about you. How i kind of feel like we're on the flip side of what kelley's saying like she's thinking about protecting her parents whereas we're thinking about protecting our children In you know our families are close to each other so we we stay at zack's parents for the holiday and we're back and forth between christmas eve and christmas day we go back and forth between his parents parents seven hundred times on so we do christmas eve breakfast brunch lunch some somewhere in there with my parents and gifts with them and then we do christmas eve night dinner with his parents and then christmas morning santa all of that with his parents and then go back to my parents for my dad's whole family who My cousin and his family live in tennessee. So we're kind of thinking like state to state travel. What's that gonna look like And we don't even know if we're going to do it. It's two weeks away and we're not sure I don't know so. We're i don't know i'm a little. I think you're in good company with that exactly. I don't know what to do. We wear masks stewing like what do what do we do. Because this year you know with because of our parents live within ten minutes of each other. It's easy for us to go back and forth but with my brother-in-law in sister-in-law their in laws are in other cities and so they flip flop years for christmas and so everybody this year which we you know. so yeah we just. We don't really know how to navigate it. We don't really know. We don't know but i read something this morning. That said i didn't realize what day it was today. Is december eleventh. And if you are planning to see family members and whatnot on christmas today is the day start warranty. Unlike you don't do anything for the next two weeks if you you're planning to see your family and for me that's hard because you know may still in school. She has another week of preschool. Left mom is a nurse. She can't quarantine you know other than that. Zaken are both home all the time but still like. I don't know the other what we're doing. My husband is going to kentucky right now actually to see his parents and his family. And i'm obviously here with the kids And there were mirrored reasons for making that decision but one very practical one. Is that like that. Drive through west virginia from north carolina to cincinnati There's not a ton there. There's three rest areas truckstop type things it's turnpike and then there are some exits with Astute places that's we have always done. I mean bathroom pickens already kind of slim but our friends just went up and they're like will fall the fast food places that have dine in the dine in his closed. So i mean. I like i have kids. You have to pee in one of them. Is you know like me. And cannot pee in a bottle so i'm not gonna say which the story about you in a coffee cup. My pants here seriously. There's also a story from when i was swimming and we took our. Ymca van from ohio to land for nationals and it was an old crappy van had like rust holes in it literally. The whole like be my coach. Who was like twenty three ran a garden. Hose your full of the van and he has like we're not stopped up from here to orlando. I tell you the girl. We didn't drink a drop the whole way we were so have you seen the her the her anal- what is it a like a a funnel on. It's like a funnel with the hose. You can use it when you're camping or whatever what. I'm getting lara for christmas. I i can think you know. 'cause i don't know if any beer drinkers but once you break the seal it's all over so i had had the hurdle many times i could just kept going. No eruption that would come in handy so many time yes very encouraging neither of adding funnel to that because that would have changed that whole. I think my little scarred from it. I'm sure that's fantastic. That's i know what you're getting for christmas tradition. Don't pee your pants. So laura what are you guys gonna do. What's your what tradition are you breaking this year. Well you know were still pretty early in the tradition phase because we just have baby george right now so we moved down three years ago so that changed our traditions and then we had george twenty nineteen. So you know. We're kind of looking at this year as what we were going to base. You know. figure out what we're gonna do okay and then kinda based off of that but like everything else It's so different so we're still up in the air we Ended up going up for thanksgiving and honestly it was horrible trip and everything ended up getting canceled anyway. We had covert exposure. We had someone reno. We have family get tested family test positive with so it's like we went the whole way up there and ended up having to quarantine anyway there and not getting to see anyone we a couple of people you know we got the are his. His parents were who were staying with. But it just ended up being this huge mess and all that travel and stress for just not a good trip so i think we'll probably be staying which will be hard because i imagine being with georgia's grandparents you know around the holidays and but i think it'll be best for everyone and maybe it'll be kind of the better to rip off at seal kind of like laura laying on that. Hey we are waking up in our own house on christmas and this year were being forced to do that but maybe it'll make it a little bit easier in future years. Hey we did it last year and we actually had a nice time in the world. Didn't end that jordan with his grandparents. So we aren't totally decided on that. But i feeling that's the way it's gonna go. Plus it's i mean everything. Shut back down in pennsylvania and it's nuts here too and like you said rest stops going up. We had a time For thanksgiving so we're kind of just throwing in the hat and saying all right cova you win this year. will Will stay safe and keep our family safe and start some new traditions. So sorry little advent. With george i started this december. Just you know simple stuff the nothing. Nothing crazy but So that's what we've still been able to do that. you know. we can still bake christmas cookies. And i can still Drink hot chocolate and watch a christmas movie. And i mean the small things can still do so. I don't think it's a complete flop of holiday season. I mean where you really. It's forcing me to pay attention to my immediate family. If that makes sense just me. Joe and george Which i think is something. I struggle with all the time. Because i love my family. You know and and joe's family. And i want them to be included and everything so i think it's. 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So if you're thinking of buying or selling in the triad called the ginther group at three three six two eight three eighty six eighty nine or them online at the ginther group dot com now back to the show doesn't make it a little easier and i don't wanna say less stressful because it. It's it's stressful. But maybe a little easier not having to worry about pleasing everybody else. Because that's where drawing the line in the boundaries for me comes from just like who are the traditions really four that we're doing now because for us. We don't really have like family traditions. Just the four of us were. We've really been working this year on trying to create those because may two and a half and she understands a little more like she's excited about santana. She sees their gifts under the tree in. You know so. We're really trying to to start traditions on our own. But the traditions like for my side of the family. Especially i feel like i don't wanna disappoint my parents because they wanna keep the traditions that we had as children and they they wanna do all in. It's really hard because we split our time. And so it's just trying to navigate the boundaries. And what we can keep in what we need to just kind of stopped doing. We're still figuring that out. I'm a pleaser. Who and i can you know. My oldest is almost eleven And being pleaser has gotten absolutely nowhere with anybody but it has definitely turned me into lake a foaming rabid raccoon eh. various points And lay. I don't know if you're inclined to please like it's because you want people to be happy and in a certain point you're not even being kind to them like okay. Well i have to interrupt you. Because my husband i am a people pleaser too but he would argue and he says to me all the time. It's not about making everybody happy. It's about controlling the situation. It's about every if everybody would. Just do what i want them to do. Things as much better for everyone. So i'm an emotion manager. Is that you. I will go to insane to try to keep. I mean really. It's not just the children it's adults that are involved like to avoid it built meltdowns like this piece of ugliness so i will do all of this and like ultimately than i am the one crying his auto of wine absolutely And learning how to this is like a life lesson from me. And i'm forty two. I should have learned this at twelve. Like i don't have to manage their responses. Their responses are my my problem. They are their problem as an adult. Who has to learn to live with disappointment. And to respect other people but man when somebody goes to pieces and they're ugly. It is really hard for me. Not to cave Yeah that's how. I feel like the phone calls up to say. Hey we're not coming up. This year are going to go. Because i'm i mean. I'm the same way i'll be like okay. Fine four come. We'll come and sit in a room and not end up getting to see anybody anyway and have a horrible trip back but yeah it's hard. It's hard because you want everyone to be happy and you want to continue. The traditions does not like i don't enjoy the old tradition. It's just like you said coda. Sometimes it gets to be too much and it's exhausting. It's one sometimes. You like you figure out it reveals kind of late selfishness and i'm going to say because my in laws don't listen to this by When i took the kids up to the ohio last year We were there for a wedding. It was just me. We'd driven seven hours Inlaws earn our way. And i was like you know what you can You can come up to my mom's house either of the weeknights we're here like we'll be a home. They would really love to see you. I just. I'm not gonna make that additional hour drive down and back to take them to you because like their kids and we've been in a minivan for like you know and ordinarily i would have done that i would've taken. I would have been over backwards to that. And the response. I got was sorry. Can't make it will miss you guys. And i was like that was just very unlike. Listen like if my mom knew her grand. Babies were an hour away. She'd be there in an instant. They didn't care like they might throw fits about. Lara won't do this and that. And whatever and bring them to us in but when they had a chance it turned out what they really cared about was their convenience And so they haven't seen the kids now and it's been a year and a half but i don't feel bad because as i put a little boundary there. I didn't go crazy that weekend and it was good so i mean some of some people may find out this year Just how much people really care about them. Based on don't or don't yeah i agree. Oh now i did let my mom. My mom is gonna come down here after christmas. She seventy two she's already had covered one. She actually got it while she was staying with us in february. But it's only like three months. So i i figure we've all been exposed but it's only like three months of immunity. But she made the decision. She's like i'd rather see my grandchildren and take that risk And i guess. I kind of feel like she's an adult and she's allowed to make that choice so she is going to come And it kind of makes me think you know. Do we put too much stock in now. That were farther away Making these trips around holidays. You know like we could. We could go up in january or this spring and have a nice long trip up there having it not be at christmas. We don't have to go to this person's house for christmas eve and this person tells we can go to you on tuesday because you're available and see them on wednesday and i don't know it just makes me kinda reevaluate when and why we're going up there Especially with something. Joe said My husband said earlier this week. He said every time. I have time off. We're going up there or or we have something scheduled and that's because that time off falls on holiday so that and it just like he's completely right you know we. We don't have any time to just be us because there's so much pressure to gather around only the holidays. And and so yeah. It's it's just something that i've i've been thinking about recently like why don't we just make trips a apart from that and make the holidays our thing and and not put so much focus on that but i think you do go through season in your life where all of your vacation's are centered around a holiday. Someone getting married someone having a baby or somebody dying and drew i. Yeah i think you're absolutely right. You don't love people more on christmas. You're like the answer's three hundred sixty four days of the year. I don't like you but christmas we're going to spend together but right we're said it earlier too about some. There's something really special and important. I think especially when you have small kids that waking up in your own house on christmas morning We travelled one time when my oldest was six or so in the middle was just a baby And i said never again because we shipped stuff in week flu. I mean it was just a complete nightmare. And i loved seeing everybody but i like seeing him in june. You know who your sting facebook thread. It wasn't a triad mom's on main group. It was a different moms group. I'm in but One fant lake their family members were religious pitching a fit about the decision not to gather and like the thing that they settled on that everybody was okay with was planning a big knock down drag out wacky christmas in july and then it was my. You're skipping christmas. It was lay. We're postponing christmas. So we can do it the way we want to lake. Yeah we'll have eggnog. And eighty degree weather lay. It was goofy. I guess in some ways. Like i mean it's kind of fun to think about. It could be really funny That can everybody rallied around that. Now there's something to look forward to it can be outside. I mean all the things. So i don't know that may be as another another option When traditions get tanked. I think who in my situation that mom maybe more so my mom than my parents as a unit thinks that it has to happen like on the day at the time and really like it could. It could be any day around. It could be the tweet thirty. If you the twenty six could be anytime like it doesn't have to be the twenty four th on the twenty fifth because it's a lot. What happens if you get if you get exposed and now you're in quarantine does that mean christmases over. No you just move it to my cousin. Differences on thanksgiving for that exact reason were but he delivered trays of food to their porch. So and my girls are her only two grandkids. My brother is not married. He doesn't kids. We don't even know if he's coming home for christmas and as that she tries to hold on to that a little bit and i think i feel a little more pressure to make her happy about before. Just because you know. They're they're kind of what she has right now and you love her. Yeah no wonder to be happy but at the same time. At what point am i sacrificing my own happiness and well-being and boundaries to make her happy so trying to figure all that out. Yeah it's definitely not easy definitely not easy. I feel like i had a realization this morning. I had like christmas music on with george and we were just hanging out. And i don't know why but i don't know if you know the song mary did you know came on. And that is my mom's favorite christmas song. And i just started sobbing because i think i realized like christmas is so different. The holidays are so different this year and like shore. The whole year has been different. But you're just you're used to being around those people you want to go. Give them a hug and just that realization of like okay this. It's it's not going to happen like that but it's gonna be okay. I'm allowed to be sad about it too. You know it's it's okay to mourn but also move past it and start something new and be excited about that too so i think that's something that like. I was struggling with and still an like being happy and sad about this christmas. You know like just hard hard thing to worry about that. We're help but we want to stay that way. But not only this christmas but this is like a thing with christmas People people mean me have a hard time managing our expectations about something right. You want everything to be perfect. And it's gonna be it's like going to disneyworld everybody's going to have a great time and it's gonna be magical and everybody's gonna get along and when that doesn't happen because at some point that doesn't happen pissed. I mean you ruined the trip but you have to you. Know things aren't perfect. Life is messy and people are messy and even christmases magical as it is is messy in this year is especially so but it doesn't diminish take away what christmas is in that means to you That there's fifteen the same. I need to have a little recording of you saying that that i can just play on radio two week also okay in his kind of like a taught us for the past. What nine months. Let go of your expectations. Because at the beginning it was only supposed to be thirty days like thirty two weeks. I'm broke right. you're like so. I think that maybe it might be a little easier this year to kind of let go whatever expectation you have because who knows i mean. How many times have we said. I don't know what's going to happen. Especially twenty twentieth pivot. You is pivot. Also want a christmas ornament. That is a dumpster. that's on fire. A twenty twenty dumpster fire christmas. Let me know where i could get that. Her and all the dumpster fire. I think if anything good comes out of this. And i mean. I think there are a lot of good things that come out of bad things. I'm kind of silver lining person but It's that most everything doesn't matter. I mean most really. It really doesn't matter you know. I walked out of the house this morning. i didn't take a shower head on sweatpants. who cares. i don't care it doesn't it doesn't matter the things that matter have really come into sharp. Focus this year. So i'm really grateful for that In you know. I i i have said. White people problems in first world problems more times than i can count in the past couple weeks. 'cause i'm having anything to complain about Yeah you know. And so. I have to tell my mom. She can't spend the night if that's the worst thing on my plate right now than than. I'm doing pretty good but i do want to talk about some happy traditions before we in this because i want to end on a good note. Yes so can we all share like one of our favorite traditions to do with our kids or that we did when we were a kid that we went to continue. You wanna go first while we pay okay so this is the of my favorite things that i do with mike. It's and we have lots of fun little traditions that this has been a one of the most surprising in and fund for me so when katie was about i don't know two or three maybe She wanted to buy presents for everybody to buy presents for the dog and she went into the and everybody she. She had a list a mile. Long and i was like. I'm not buying bread since for all these pills gonna cost fortune. So i said i'll tell you what we'll go to the dollar store and you can buy a present for everyone on your list. I've spent twenty dollars or something so we continue to do that. Yeah she's almost twenty years old in the other to do it as well. We go every year to the dollar store. They get as many presents for as many people as they went in. I am always like so sweetly surprised by what they get and like there for a few years with a lot of statuary so ladder like angels or eagles or stuff like that watching a little kid go through the dollar store and be like grandma likes to cook and she smells good so i'm going to air freshener in a potholder off. And then they come home and they wrap them and the older ones help you know the younger ones And they are so proud and excited to give those gifts on christmas morning. They're everybody's favourite things to open because you never know what you're going to get a bottle of perfume Last year two years ago from henry. That was called nice lady. Because you're nice lady it's awesome. It's just the option best. So i highly recommend dollar store shopping with grits. And just let them go let them go and pick out their own stuff and then give them the money and let them go up and pay for it rapid themselves. It's it's it's awesome. That's really sweet to kind of my nine year. Old has been making a list for everybody in the household and he has settled on well. Mom likes wine and hair by by the wine. So i'll buy you a box of hair dye on dyeing my hair. I wanna quit. That's that's what i like. So why goodness those fantastic. We do a tradition and this is this is something that kind of removed from all of the stuff like right up on christmas but Or from cincinnati and cincinnati is very very heavily german. And so. When i was teaching there i discovered. They have this whole other holiday. Saint nicholas day On the sixth and lake saint nicholas brings oftentimes like the kids. Get like christmas pajamas or something like that. Like if you're really german. Saint nick a an evil side. Kick named crump's bad. He puts you in his second you in the river for saint nick. I'm like i like people who take it this off nation. Forgive your stocking But anyways my kids started preschool on the west side of cincinnati. And i kind of had to adopt saint nick because they would go into school and everybody else had saint naked. Come to their house and like you know. Why didn't he come to us. Whatever and what it turned into actually got a book about saint nicholas himself that ties it into like his his Giving spirit and makes the jump from that to the present day and a kid laura finding the value and giving And so saint nick. They put their shoes in front of the door and saint. Nick brings them some candy this year. He wrote the note. That candy was on the piano because they have a puppy and the puppy can't shoe full of sugar is true Brings them money that they are to us to pay it forward to somebody And i try really really hard not to get involved in what they choose to do. So there was a year where there's a guy who sits like at fairlawn and rinaldo And they wanted to give their money to him and they did and he talked to them and he was actually very pleasant and it was a great experience. They have lake made bags to hand out to people. I don't give them a time this year. They got like twenty bucks tuttle but they may little packages to hand out to people who are You know on the side of the road this year. They've decided that they want to His willing to the pet store they see like the donations for like shelter pet since that they wanted by like dog food and stuff for you know shelter pets and sell I dunno. I like that because it's at least a couple of days. It takes the focus off of their lists and puts it on what we can do for somebody else And it is. It's kind of removed from all the crazy things that will start to happen closer to the twenty fifth so my kids. There would probably say their favorite thing as the sour cream cookies that they done a sugar on like their inevitable by the time. They're done my gosh so i have to ask if you have ever read holidays on ice by david sedaris. I haven't okay. So there's a story in there specifically about Saint nicholas and it's about his elves. You just need to go. The story is called seven to eight black men and you need to go read it. It's fantastic in it. it's interesting so I'm looking at right now. Coda Through heavier well yes sure would see for like the bigger family holiday tradition Sister-in-law always buys christmas suggestions for all the kids in. They do like matching chris. Night wake up for santa together on in their in their matching christmas jams which is always And when mae her first christmas we started a tradition on with with everybody reading the night before christmas before bedtime but this year. I kind of want to change it because i bought her the spirit of christmas by nancy. Tillman have you read that i. It makes me crash. She wants to read it every single night. So i think i'm gonna take it for christmas eve Are you guys familiar with nancy. Tillman just the on the night. You were born Wherever you are my level find you and this one is basically like it's about this mom who is like waiting for the spirit of christmas to come in the spirit of christmas comes and she still doesn't get that christmas feeling and then finally at the end he's like just remember christmas. All begin with child and then it kinda like eludes to the birth of christ and then also at the end about how she always hopes her. Her kid comes home for christmas and it gets the every time So i think that that might be instead of the night before christmas which is very traditional. I think Juried we're gonna. We're gonna change it this year to the spirit of christmas and make that our nutrition after tickle that book that sounds so good the first time i read it i was like well. I'm not gonna make it through this. what about you. a. This is georgia's second christmas right. Yeah yeah and. I still feel like he doesn't totally you know. Get it so. Like i'm doing the advent. That's fun but honestly if we're being honest that's more for me. I mean it's something for him but talked about a lot of these. Traditions are for us. Yeah so i want to keep up with that as he gets older Obviously get more involved in each of them but And i don't know how i would continue at this. I am taking notes from all of you. Because i like all of these ideas so Putting those on tap but my one of my favorites from growing up is We after we'd go to christmas eve service at my church and then every year which i loved and then every year after that we would go to my aunt house And they were family. Friend aunt mongols. They weren't blood aunt and uncles. And we would have Just appetizers with them and Spend the evening. We'd play games and really. We didn't do anything that out of the ordinary but it was just when i think of the holidays. I think of those nights with the horns horns and When we were younger we bring our christmas jammies and all get ready for bed together and I don't know it just a really really fun. Memory that i'm not sure was meant to be a big tradition but in in my childhood memory that that is the essence of of christmas So yeah. I don't know how i would continue something like that but i want to find something like that. That georgia look back. One day and say i loved those days. You know so they were great but we'll go to the dollar store and we will do all of my makes the pay. It forward gifts. Will i wanna do something like that. It's it's been fun. I also be careful what you establish as your traditions. Because this one was a heck yes but i did for a long time the advent books where they open a different book every way of december. I read your post like i mean. We started out with the board books. Honestly i have some fantastic christmas like picture books for the elementary set. I didn't do it this year. Not because i didn't want to wrap twenty four books. But i'm telling you that like every single november thirtieth for a long time But this year honestly. The boys are reading harry potter before bed and like they've just kind of grew they've grown into some bigger books in it. Felt like one thing too many so the books just are there and a basket and they pick them up and we read them it will but But yeah be careful like that what you establish is simple enough to carry you through the bad years. Yes yeah i was my dad. My dad was Way into holidays in like he he'd be like all right. If you tell me what you got me. I'll tell you what i always like. Trying to negotiate figure out what he's presents. Were all the stuff one year. He convinced my mom. That in a all my Religious friends. I know that the twelve days of christmas are after christmas but at the time. We didn't know this so we did the twelve days of christmas before christmas and he convinced my mom that we should all get a present every day for the twelve days before christmas. So hanukkah but you that for non-practising protestant. My grandmother did that from my brother in i in the nar two cousins where it was ridiculous. We my mom is carrying on that tradition. Like my girls get to open a president every single day for twelve days before christmas. And then there christoph steph. I'm like this is too much. I don't side there. And my dad. Canas name kelly like big time into the holidays and growing up. I mean i guess maybe like when we were younger we would wake up super early at the crack of dawn. But i guess maybe towards middle school or whatever we kinda slept in a little bit more and my dad would crank on mannheim steamroller deck in the shake. The house like the surround sound was up so loud that the house would shake and it would play on the into. We got out of bed. That's i mean and that's something that like we don't wake up there anymore. But when we go in the girls open their presents and stuff he make sure it's in q. Why traditions are fantastic. And they're you know the the cool thing about being a grown up is that you can choose which traditions you want to carry on. Which new things you want to start with your family. 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