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The. Hello and welcome to rocket accelerated each conversation. I am not the Mon to Roche for because she is in LA Perry. But I am Pristina. Warren senior tech. Oh my God. I just lost. I forgot my title is senior called advocate at Microsoft. I was gonna say senior tech correspondent at Nashville, but that is my title in like three jobs. Exactly. Senior called advocate at Microsoft, and I'm joined today by my co host brianna Wu democratic candidate for congress and Jeff Wong. Who is a Jeff what title do you want us to use an AI consultant at mind, skill dot AI, consultant it mind, scale dot AI. This episode of rocket is brought to you by smile and fracture. Right. So Simone isn't here this week, which is always a bummer, but Jeff is here, which is great and actually fund story because Jeff, and I we haven't ever been on the pod together. But we used to work together. That's right, or at least at the same company, and we used to get lunch together. So this is really one of the things I like most about Microsoft. I went from listening to Christina on rocket to reaching out to her when she joined Microsoft, and then we had lunch quite a lot actually during the time, we overlapped, and we got to trade a lot of information and learn about like, you know, developer advocacy sharing. All the great stuff that happened was happening around the company and also talk about Taylor, swift and other gossip. Yes. So what happens you start Microsoft? Okay. You got dental you've got fishing and Christina Warren is included in your employee benefits package. All right there. Yeah. And if I'm part of the benefits package than like, it's a known thing that Taylor swift as part of the conversation. Absolutely. Just like, you know. All right. So this week is is everybody's favorite time of year. It is. Yes. Or I I don't even think they use the Consumer Electronics Show monochrome more. I think is just CAS now. But but the the big tech show of the year that takes place in Vegas. I very glad not to have to be in Vegas right now. I'm going to be honest with you all but every year CS, there's cool stuff. There's not cool stuff. There's weird stuff and this year. We've got kind of a there's there's controversies and this year, we've kind of got a mash up of some of those different things. Right. Like what were some of? What are some of the I just kind of start this out or some of the cool things that you all kind of scene from the CS coverage. I have to be honest. I lived the CAS coverage. I live for every year because every reporter doesn't want to be right throw him low level shade on. On twitter. I have not seen one thing that it cites me at all. I mean, my just jaded at this point and my wrong now. I mean, it's weird right? Like actually today. I saw a couple of stories on Gizmodo about some beauty product things that I actually was excited about one was like oh lay like like oil of olay, like the skin care thing had this device that basically is it's it's designed to get you to buy moisturizer? But I guess they would use like sensors and stuff to use a I to predict like what your face will look like with and without moisturizer in twenty years to convinced to moisture is so mean. Should also that Dawson. But there was this other thing that looked really cool. It was kind of like a a real world Photoshop rush where they use like a combination of of light and at therapies in like a makeup to basically cast out blemishes and skid marks and stuff. It's called an op de and it's basically like a beauty want. And apparently, it's really cool. It's like it uses a micro printer that that correct spots. Like, it will basically do a scan over your skin. And when it's finds an area that doesn't match the rest. It'll basically correct that spot using like a special serum that has like mineral based pigments moisturizers and spotlighting ingredients. And anyway of Victoria song, I Khas Moto who wrote about this. She said that it was like magic. And that she was really skeptical until she saw on her skin and the other heels, and she was like, okay. This is legit cool. And it uses LED. Monitor's LED's and things like that too. So who knows how well this actually works. But she said, it looks really cool. There's no price or release date. But that was like going robot arm that puts us on their a one you sold in your hand Carrollton a link in the chat, it's just like a. Like, a Wanda us like in your hand that has like lights, and I guess like like makeup in it that kind of. I don't know it feels like witchcraft and I'm a fan. So that's one of those things where it's like, okay. I'm down with like this makeup thing. But and also we're gonna talk about the controversy in in a little bit. But actually that's controversial products. I'm actually all about that too. But I don't know. Why yet I mean, everybody has said even more than other years. Like, there's always kind of the mean that like this is like CAS is dead now. But it really is starting to feel like CS is dead. Jeff. What are your thoughts? You know? It's funny. Even though I've been in the tech industry for a couple of decades. I have never been nearly as much as a gadget person as either of you folks, or many of my other friends, and so and that combined with the fact that I've been a longtime follower and self admitted fan boy of apple has never meant as much to me. I was always amused that apple would often have their MacWorld events and things right around January often suck up a lot of the oxygen both from the media. But also just in terms of I was biased like juicing. Cool new things like the iphone was introduced, I guess what is it twelve years ago now in January of two thousand seven during CIs. Yeah. I apple has never been at CS. Right. But they have always been kind of this outwardly presence. I mean, if they have been there has been through parts like homecare hanging over Las Vegas. Oh completely. And in fact, I mean like you said it was twelve years ago that the iphone was announced and it was announced at MacWorld in San Francisco. So it was announced like you had most of the reporters were stuck at CS. You had some of the ones that are MacWorld. And you could kind of this was before I was I was in the tech journalism stuff. But was. One of those things where it was like everybody who was not at the iphone launch. And was stuck at you. You could get the palpable since they all they all wanted to die. They're like, I cannot believe there. And then because but it's true, right? Because you have like, can you imagine missing the biggest technolog- of our of our time announcement because you're you're in Vegas, and you've got all these other. But imagine even worse if you're a company whose announced near phone and in two thousand. Like, what are you doing? I remember one year. I might have told the story I'm not gonna before. I don't know. This was in. I think it was in two thousand ten knows two thousand eleven and I was at CAS and Motorola was having some sort of events, and they were showing up maybe it was a four g phone or what the deal was. And at the same time apple sent out invites or some sort of New York event that was going to be taking place, and and they send out the invites during CAS and at that point. It was very clear that this was going to be the long-awaited Verizon iphone announcement. And I was in line or maybe I'd just gotten into the Motorola room where they're doing their presentation. And I saw this on campfire because this is before the days of slack. And I saw this on campfire and they came out. And I asked my editor. I was like, well, I can't because internet coverage wasn't wasn't that solid or whatever I was like well do. Do you want me to go into the hall and and bright this right at the apple news or do you want me to stay in cover, the Motorola announced -ment, and he was like go on the hall and right up the apple thing when well probably half of us. I'm not even joking probably left the room before the conference before the press conference even started because the apple news took precedence. Even though they weren't at the show and other things like what happened over the years. But this year apple actually was kind of actually. Yes, they're told them. Yeah. Love this. Yeah. Yes. So tell us tell us what they did Bree. So basically outside the builder. Yeah, we're not. But we're all we're going to dominate the said they put out this giant out on the side of the hotel. It's like an apple what happens on your iphone stays on your iphone or something Jad effect, chagrin. Master blasting the rest of the industry about privacy. And I just thought it was so dead on. I mean, this is why stick without ball more than anything else. Totally. And I thought it was really really good in really good position because Google has really been all out with everything. Google assistant in Google home at CAS this year. You know, it's been the last few years that like the big story of CS has been Alexa, an end the Amazon echo products this year. Google assistant was just everywhere. So I think that was a really smart play for them to have. And then when they also announced because TV's are obviously a big part of of CAS, and you know, for for for good for about as much as as it changes. It becomes more of a car show becomes, you know, less more more. We're tack whatever you're always going to have TV's, and you know, this kind of a carries onto what we were talking about last week with sales project. Actions. You know that the quarter earnings report being redefined and apples pivot to having you know, make serves as a bigger part of their business. Samsung, busy, oh, and LG TV's are all getting airplay to support and also getting access to like I tunes meaning that they can access, you know, movies from your IT tunes library, which is about the what do you think about what love, but the view think about it for me? Like, I find value in the apple TV I do. It's the thing in my house. I used the most I use it for you to it's fantastic interface for you too. So on one hand, I like the fact that, you know. You know, like, I get all of my movies on itunes. That's like where I've built my library my collection and more than anything else. That's where it is. And I liked the idea of this being built into my TV. But you know, I was I was actually planning on buying a television this week, and it I I was playing a buying visit. And I saw the verge basically talking about some of the the privacy lawsuits have happened. Where basically you have makers it will spy on the things that you're watching and basically sell that information and also serve you up ads. So for me, I I my initial reactions. I'm glad some people will have access to their I tunes library at the same time. It's like, you know, this is just asking for all these third parties to like, basically, the cell all that information. What are you watching? When are you watching it? How long are you doing it? And I just think apple TV is it's a flawed product. But it's a good product. And I certainly plan to keep connecting that up to my TV how how did you feel about Jeff I have a couple of thoughts. First of all I used to have a couple of different inputs h input one whatever to my television. But after I moved back to the bay area from Seattle where Christian I used to be a co workers, I decided to simplify Allah, Marie condo. And now I've gotten rid of all my inputs except for the apple TV and heart of it. Just for simplicity. And I'll talk about that in a second. But part of it exactly exactly what you're talking about. Bree. I mean, I didn't feel great having my TV internet connected, and you know, whether it's fair not because honestly, I haven't done a penetration testing like personal evaluation of the apple. TV, but I'm using the trust to have an apples brand about protecting user privacy to assume that if the only input output to my TV's, apple TV relatively more protected. So I want to say a couple of things actually related to the convenience because there's two benefits. There's a privacy inconveniencing. I'm going to come back in a moment. But one other aspect of privacy. I think I mentioned in my previous appearances that I always try to think about systems and incentives and not just as an actor or a company like particularly evil, but like what systems are institutions that it responding to and so often like this intersection between three things that business model. The technology that's available and then sort of a regulatory and ethical environment. They all have to come to interplay. And what I mean by that is like, I think the reason why I think some of the articles talking about CAS and all these like, cool, new smart TV's internet. TV products. They said, look, it's a very low margin business selling these amazingly technically sophisticated beautiful TV's, but they can they can't charge very much because there's a race about him so competitive, and so therefore that's why they justified it themselves that we need to resell some of this user data this viewing habits for targeted advertising and actually echoes an earlier period in one of the difference between Macs and windows PCs was that although Microsoft Intel made a ton of money because they had really large margins. It was like a race to the bottom for all the PC box makers. Dell gateway Compaq everyone else. And so that's why they would load it on with you know, all it called bloat wear crap wear because the PC makers had to find some revenue sources otherwise. And so I'm I don't know what the answer is that. But it's not just like, oh, you know, certain companies they just don't care about your privacy. It's because they're trying in this competitive market to to find some. Mhm leverage. I'm not excusing it, by the way. And in fact, that's why I think government has to have a role because that can even the playing field and get away from these coordination problems. But, but it's something I think about I have some more stuff to say about the apple TV convenience thing. But I don't want to keep going on. And that was one of the things I was thinking about about your dad on whether things Neil I over at the virtuous talking about was he kind of had a conversation with physio about this and the CO videos, like look, this is a cutthroat margin business, and you know, it's six percent prophets over here. And if we can sell it a little bit of a discount, and then, you know, make some ads on it. Then everybody wins we can sell cheaper TV's and this works for people. So I think you're really right. That's just the incentive that this market where people don't want pay a lot of money. That's actually, the exactly the article. I was thinking of thank you. Yeah. And I I agree with all that. And it's interesting because for years we've kind of had to write about. The TV spying on you thing and has been embroiled in those scandals and Samsung has and there've been other into companies and some of the stuff, you know, you can like turn off right? Like it's things that'll maybe kinda monitor what you're watching. You can go to your settings and figure out a way to turn it off. And then sometimes they're even more incidents, and you don't really know. And and certainly, you know, I don't want to in any way promotes xenophobia because I do think that a lot of it is a phobic when we talk about the role of Chinese electronics makers and people being I think in some cases, overly cautious about devices from those manufacturers versus others because there's to me there's not really a direct correlation there. But if you look at the big market trend, you know, like the biggest TV makers are people at TCL and high sense and others, you might not even know their names, but they're the ones who sell the most TV's, and then these are Chinese companies. And so those are things you need to think about if. You're putting a smart TV, and your home is who's having access to this information. How's it being used? What's actually being captured at cetera? I'm bothered by it. I definitely more comfortable if those are things that can be turned off. I also feel like no matter who you buy TV from you don't necessarily have a way to opt out of that. And getting dumb TV in my opinion is not necessarily a good move. Because unless you're a lot of times that the quality might not necessarily be any better. And and I'm not convinced that those things aren't going to have you know, things that kind of spy on you either. I would also point out that whether your TV has those things are not depending on what sort of set top box. You happen. What the settings are on those services. There's analytic data from all the services you use that are going somewhere as well. Right. So these are all things to keep in mind from what it looks like it looks like apples agreement with these companies is not to sell or provide any information about the I tunes aspects of the service that you're using. So I think that's a good thing. I also think. Even though I really like my apple TV as a product. I think it's right now completely overpriced. And how much is it these days as on forty nine? It's one forty nine for the basic thing. One like seventy if you get more with more downloads base. And then the forego one is one eighty and two hundred ready. Yes, it has. Well, and I'm sorry, but two hundred dollars for a apple TV forecasts too much money that I think that for that money. What you should do if you're really interested in a four K playback machine is you should look at getting a Roku four K. Those are really good then, but he gets shield a or Microsoft Xbox One s the one asks is going to have four K playback for for Netflix, Amazon and all that stuff and also play four K, Blu Ray. So and it's game console like that to me is a much better device than the apple TV is. And so in terms of just value like I really love my apple TV's, but it's hard to justify that price point. Right. In fact, I don't think it is justifiable unless you're all in on the eco system, and even if you're all in on the system with things like movies, anywhere. And obviously now, this broader airplay too. And I tuned support to me, that's indicative, it's a good thing that apple is finely kind of admitting that if it seems to me is they're saying, okay. You know, if we want our services business to really be a meaningful part of our revenue, then we have to be on more than just our on devices. And so you see that with them putting apple music on the Amazon devices, which is huge. The whole idea started in trip was just you know. You know, the question was which is the razor, which was the razor blade is is apple music supposed to differentiate their hardware home pod or vice versa. Was the home pod supposed to be special for apple music? And now, it seems like the dog that's wagging tail should really be apple music, which means going to what you said they need to have it run on more device and just. Which I mean in in all fairness is what every other company figured out years before Appleton right like net flicks. It part of the reason Affleck's is. So ubiquitous is because very early on. They made the strategic decision and the very smart decision to be on as many devices as possible. It actually got to the point. Netflix is now pulled back and as much more selective about what devices it will be on. Or at least let people like advertise their compatibility. But for a long time, basically anybody who wanted to put net flicks on their device though for you know, and Spotify on the same thing. So if apple wants people use their when all people are are predicting to be their new video service. They want them to use airplay to if they want them to use apple music. It's going to need to be on devices that people have and the reality is is that as much money as apple makes the don't have market share in this box market. They don't have market share even the phone market by apple music is on Android, and they certainly don't have market share in the smart speaker markets. So if they want people to actually use those things they need to be available on more devices, and as somebody who has four hundred thirty six movies, and I tunes. I just looked which my goodness. I know nothing I press agency. Yeah. And most of them are purchases this year through like five dollar sales and stuff, but still still. Still like, let's not do the math on how much Christina has spent on. Newbies. Let's really not. Christina twitter. Our no guy next rocket contest seriously on its particulars. But I'm glad that it's there. So anyway, yes, I wanna talk about the worst. Yes. We do that. Let's real quickly talk about a smile and they're great app PDF pen. We're this episode of rocket is brought to you by pen, which is the ultimate tool for editing. PDF's from our great friends over at smile, and so using PDF pen, you can say goodbye to having to fill out and then completely. You can completely go, paperless. Because you can like say goodbye to fill out forms. So you don't have to deal with scanning no CR, you can do a Mark up in highlighting the PDF's. You can search and redac- sensitive information like account numbers. You can correct text in the PDF even without the original. 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And our thanks to PDF pen for their support of this show. And all of really 'em, go PDF. So yeah. As I said this before, but it's like if you need a PDF app, especially MAC OS. It's really good in its prevents you from having to spend a lot of money on acrobat and go through all that stuff. God, we'll rush what the Paul Manafort thing. W acrobat rocket listeners stones. Oh my gosh. Yeah. There you stack or about to try to redact some information. Topping pace to get like, here's all the secret stuff. They tried so topnotch topnotch legal team. How many movies did you say you had by the way four hundred thirty six. Okay. I'm at one seventy five, and I just checked I have two thousand separate episodes of different TV showcase you had me. Definitely beat on that. Because I don't have that many TV shows. Okay. Well, I still you. You're the movie Queen your film and girls for reason. Yeah. So all right. You wanted to talk about worst of CAS? Let's get into it. Okay. Okay. My favorite topic about ceus controversy. I cannot wait for the controversy controversy. You're always tell we talk about this. Okay. I want to bring you guys back to a magical time in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine where the onion our very far finest news source prophesied this weekend. See us. Excuse me with this headline new toilet to revolution on is revolutionize online, and then the S word, and they predicted that one day we were going to be putting out e toilets and then this week at C S. They debuted the thing we've all been waiting for the nirvana of the Czech industry, a seven thousand dollar or nine thousand depending on how many options you get the pro version it, right, right? Eat toilet with lights built into it. With speakers built into it and Alexis tell my God. Could you even process this like I cannot I tried to imagine who they think this is four. I can you help me. Help me understand because I don't. Yeah. I don't know Jeff probably knows more rich people than I do Jeff who who would buy a nine thousand dollar toilet that has like blinky lights and a lotta Luxa. I, you know, I I don't know that the people I know are simultaneously rich enough and ridiculous enough to get this. But maybe I'm underestimating the judgement of the people. I know it's just it's hadn't even know where to begin with this product. I mean, I guess. Nothing says then a nine thousand dollars toilet that has say and multicolored lights connected. You could say Alexa, flush. An apology, Sydney listeners Sousa echoes. We just said I'll incidentally, that's okay. But yeah, I know exactly I mean that. Okay. I mean that would be kinda cool. But at the same time we talk about privacy. And the fact that these things are listening to like, I kind of I mean, I understand having smart speakers in the bathroom because it's a great way to listen to music, but I kind of like fear feel weirded out by like having it on my toilet. I don't know. Yes. That's just like asking for your tire career life to bid destroyed like just as and the company has spring the cell colour. Like, they really do make good products for the home. There are one hundred fifty year old. Yeah. Very traditional plumbing company. But it's like this is not I very under convinced on the utility of smart devices when it comes to like your faucet in your toilets. Yeah. I just don't see it. I mean I've seen. I don't know. I don't I don't think it was colour that it was someone that was it was a brand did had like a shower system at CS. When I was there two years ago that was ridiculously expensive, and it had the same sort of thing where you could talk to it, and it would adjust the temperature by certain times, not set things and have. I mean, it was a ridiculous setup. And it, but it, but it seemed kind of swank, right? Like, you could kind of understand you're like all right while I will never have enough money to afford something like this. But I can understand for the, you know, the millionaires and billionaires out there cool, but this because people can send and you spend a lot of money on toilets. Usually, it's about things like, you know, you have like a heated seat, and you have a certain type of, you know, maybe day set up, and you have all these other features. And it'll I dry things for you. And do all that. But I don't know the the lights that I'm going to be honest just seemed like the least important part of. The process yummy. And I I'm with you. I'm like, I'm not understanding utility of like having the smartest stint. In the commode. I just I don't I don't get it or the speaker chew because I'm like, I'm going to guess that. If you have the money for the nine thousand dollar toilet. You probably have a really good like network sounds your system in your bathroom that you're not going to need your toilets. Do it. Also, can you imagine like when your toilet goes up, sleet and stops getting updates? Like, it's not enough. The fridge right but put the toilet. You're like really because there's not one of those devices that you replace that often. Right. Toilet has been end of life. Right brianna. Why are you late for rocket today? I'm trying to download a patch for my toilet next day. Really? Really bad security ability. That's even worse. Right. I mean that hacking opportunities. No seriously, because if you get because if you get into that like, you're really gonna get all the crap. All right. All right. All right enough. Go controversies. All right. So Jeff you gonna introduce the story because we did a lot of its most important appropriate for me to bring it up. Honestly, it is. So this is this is a great story. Okay. So there is a startup called the Laura Laura decarlo, it's small like probably like ten ten fifteen percent company at most. And they've had a Kickstarter funding where their goal was to optimize female orgasms. Now before we begin to think oh gosh. This is one of those crazy stories where you know. The there are men designing products for women. It's actually seems to be very female run and very LGBTQ. Friendly, and it was basically as the companies compete themselves. It's a a woman run and lead company building products for women, and they have really impressive background the founder studied medicine and decided to drop out of med school, and to use her knowledge of physiology and psychology and and. And and sex to try to find a way to to create a new vibrator or sex toy that would really be able to provide both external and internal stimulation. But let me get to the controversy part. So, you know, there are I don't know how many tens of thousands or more products introduced CAS every year there are so many and for many years it was. It ran simultaneously to the was it the adult video awards the adult video wards, so. In recent years, the CIA which is the consumer Technology Association would run CAS has been trying to get away from those sort of porn and adult associations. And yet when Laura decarlo submitted this their prototype product as to the design awards at they were they were actually honored as having some of the most innovative, cutting edge technology involving robotics, micro fluid IX. Bio mimicry, and then a month later the ward was rescinded. But it they didn't give really good reasons. And I think Iran nuclear in their attempt to try to distance themselves from what they think of as unsavory adult associations. They actually showed how backward the is so Abry Christine. I'd love for you guys to weigh in. So so again, like Jeff was saying, you know, for for years that the avian happened in Vegas at the same time as as this shows were not affiliated to be clear, but it was one of those things where especially if you were a young woman covering this show. Let's just say that the misogyny was even worse than usual because men felt even more licensed to say really gross things to you. And you know, there's there's been a lot of controversy over the years about booth babes, the CA has taken steps over the years to decrease that although you still have instances of those things happening. But I think that this is one of those interesting products where this this is a personal massage or it's a it's a sexual health product, it's using real tack. And the initial response was basically to say that they don't support things that are like immoral and using other terminology. Really? From my perspective gendered in kind of their dismissal of this category. And some people have said, oh, well, you know, it wasn't sexist because of any sort of device like this would have not won the award. And I don't know about that. Definitely the way that it was rescinded seemed to be specifically not great, especially since you know, even without the avian seven more. It's very frequent for know. VR porn was the big thing. It's in some years, you know, sex robots have been thing there. I saw one thing on on Sunday before the show even started. There was like a livestream that tech crunch kazooing talking again about sexual health about some sort of a testicle cooler for men some sort of special type of underwear to help with productivity reproductivity rather. And so it seems like that kind of stuff is kosher, but got a God forbid, you you design something for women. And then all of a sudden, it's it's immoral and doesn't represent the values of the CA the CEO of the company actually published a letter which I thought really pinpoint the hypocrisy. Really? Well, so if you don't mind, I'm just quote, a part of it. So she says men sexuality is allowed to be explicit. So for example, there's a little sex robot in the shape of unrealistically proportioned, women and VR porn in a point of. Pride along the aisle on the other hand female sexuality is heavily muted. If not outright banned, you cannot pretend to be unbiased if you allow a sex robot for men, but not of Jonah focus, robotic massage your for blended orgasm, which is their term for this. Right. The other thing that they said is let's see the the ceus and the supporting association dismissed this innovation in micro abroad and bio mimicry because the technology is a pre pleasure product. And that makes a strong statement. It seems that the fine with just quote, unquote, female oriented products, like breast pumps, Caygill exercisers and even robotic vacuums things that benefit someone else. But something that squarely focused on women's sexuality is off the table. So I mean, I couldn't say it better than that. No. I think the stat on in, you know, I think not everything's equal in this space. Like if we're having conversations about booth babes of Ravin conversation. About even VR porn, which by the way, we covered very positively here Brockett. Yes. Yes. We are very sex positive show overall. But the reason the reason you want to think about in how you're presenting that is if you're having booth babes you can invert lately. Create a space that feels like it's for men only sends a sends a signal like women are not welcome here. I just forgive me if I'm wrong here. But like, it's not I'm guessing they're marketing this with bike magic, Mike on stage. Right. Like like, I guess he was like look this technical product that we have here it is. You know, I'm imagining it's not really being marketed or shown in particularly urine lurid ways. So it just I think if this is something that makes you feel uncomfortable. I really feel. Like that says a lot more about you. I also just have to say, I think a lot of men just don't understand that it can be harder for some women to orgasm that it is men deblaze. It's a it's a sexual health thing, and you know, without a doubt. And I mean, again, I think that's I think is notable that so many of the members of this team. Are are women are LGBTQ and are thinking about these issues because a lot of times the people who design sexual health products. Even those four women many times, our men, and that could be okay. But I do think there's benefit to to to people who might have those experiences being part of the conversation. If I can say anything about this. It seems like I didn't know anything about this company until this controversy. So I have to give them immense credit for really capitalizing on the CA reneging in such a terrible. Way to get them attention. I hope that it gets them funding and hope that it gets them. You know, more people paying attention to it because these are areas that, you know, there's a lot of money involved in this, you know, and and for for lots of reasons, and I think that the founder, you know, put it really well that that if pleasure is at stake, then all of a sudden, it's dirty, especially women's pleasure. But if it's men's pleasure, then it's like, oh, that's cool. You know, we're gonna wink and nod as the CA and let this be big part of our conference and sell that up. You know, like like, a my friend Ray, you know, he was his video that went viral few years ago of him. Looking at VR porn was even the video that he did for mash was even featured on at night show and. You know, you know, the CA loved that, you know, that anytime anybody was going on and talking about this stuff and men mentioning these things and association with their conference. They love it because they're getting attention. So why is that? Okay. But this isn't you know, I mean that that to me is is what's ridiculous, especially since they try to kind of walk back there. Critique after they got a lot of the blowback. But it was it was too late. And my understanding is like, okay, you had if you if you the time to reject the application for it not fitting the bounds like what other things would have been would have been before you gave him the award. Right. Like me. That's the thing. That's regis. It's like if you have if you really want to have the take the stand as an organization that these are there certain types of things we're not going to allow as submissions for our awards. Okay. Cool. Like, maybe we can quibble with whether that's fair or unfair. But fine. But you make you make the determination you issue the award. And then it's only after you look at it. And you're like oh well. Well, we didn't realize that you know, it was or chasms. So so everything we said about the technical merit beforehand is now completely null and void because now it's immoral and goes against our values. It's like really, really. Yeah. One hundred percent agreed. And this may be an off the wall take, but funnily enough, this makes me think of things enterprise software. Okay. You know, usually when you're buying a product in the home often, it's for yourself, or it might be someone as a gift for someone your family, you know, like parent for a kid or something like that. But in enterprise software. There's a difference between the season maker who buys and budgets, it often an IT department versus the end users. And I think what are the ways in which this whole controversy has gone wrong is because for the first time there are users at I should say first time, this is an example of a women designing products for other women, they are both the users end the decision makers and yet I think. I can't help. But think that the the the was so focused on thinking about like, men's pleasure and men making the decision for this sort of thing that this sort of like really weird at them out and a particular way of thinking about this isn't the same founder's letter from the company they pointed out that in the twenty one thousand nine hundred honorees of this innovation award for robotics. And drones. They. So there were two robotic vacuum cleaners four children's toys and one shopping companion. And the letter goes on to say looks like all women's interests are covered. Right. It's because these are all like, you know, taken from the decision maker, which resumed to be sort of straight male decision maker versus like a woman choosing to do it for themselves. Yeah. I think that's a great point. Yes. In the show notes were actually going to links to a couple of different articles in gadget or really good interview. With the creator and end the technical director will also linked to the the letter. Laura decarlo wrote so of links and the show notes just to be clear, the founder and CEO. Her name is Laura haddock, and the technical director is Lola Vars who has a PHD or is in process of a PHD design, focus, mechanical engineering, and you know, I think in one of the links will include a link to the team page, and like they have pretty serious backgrounds, and the interview that you're going to Christina like talks about like just from a pure tech perspective and manufacturer perspective like how they prototype these things and how you manufacture it. And it just I mean just from a gig perspective. It's pretty awesome. Yeah. Definitely check out stuff out our rights. This episode of rocket is brought to you by fracture. So fracture is one of our favorite companies, and you can take your favorite images and print them directly onto glass for you display in your home. 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Just cock some other board did this story. And I was pretty horrified to see just how much information the telcos are selling about their customers, especially when you consider how much money we pay in the United States for cell service. We were talking about the TVs spying on you before. And obviously, that's problematic. But in some ways, I'm more, okay? With that. Because with Nielsen boxes and tracking of other things like advertising is an inherent part of television. So even though I might not like it. If it's not disclosed me, I kind of understand that like doing profiles are a thing and have been thing since literally the inception of the industry, but when I pay for a service, and I pay a lot of money for a service that has my location data that has everything about where I am that can be used to track me and other stuff they can also be kind of security thing because it knows where I am not super chill with the the phone carrier selling that information and that information being so easily accessible by by people like this. What do you guys think? I think it's it's it's deeply deeply concerning. We talk a lot about privacy. And how. You know, how much we love apple with that. But it doesn't matter like what software used to mask your location, or what, you know, kind of you know, like software used to send messages make sure people can spy on you. If the telecom is just going to sell it, and what really terrified may just give listeners a little bit of background on this the way that they did this story is it was abounding hunter that they pay three hundred dollars to this bounty hunter, and then they had a back channel with the telecom company, and basically located this person, I want you to imagine this in domestic abuse situations. I want for you to imagine. This in stocking situations, this is real public endangerment situation is being sold for pennies. So. I think that if like I think telecoms need to come forward they need to explain how the status getting out there. But I think they've opened themselves up to tremendous, legal liability. That's my read on it. No completely. And I think what's also interesting too is, you know, this was using a bounty hunter this was not so bounty hunters in the United States for people who are listening outside the United States who might not know in most cases, these are not law enforcement agents, sometimes their former law enforcement, but they are they are not members of law enforcement who are usually contracted out by a jails and by bail bondsman to find people who are have some sort of a bail violation. So they didn't appear court and there was something else. And they go in and bring those people in and then get the the bail fee, you know, that was kind of set aside and. Dog about eight hundred is kind of a good example. But it's a pretty profitable business. But again, the reason I keep pointing out that these even though they might be former law enforcement that these are not part of law enforcement is because a lot of the tools that they're accessing our things that law enforcement does us, and I think you can sometimes make the case I'd love to get both of your takes on this. I think you can sometimes make the case, although I'm much more reticent to make it, but I think you can sometimes make the case with a warrant and with other information that may be certain information should be accessible to law enforcement's of class, but go, but I'm I have a big problem with these sorts of low level, tools that are being that are able to take place without a warrant and be that are accessible to people who are not in law enforcement. Oh, absolutely. If you're not going before, a judge and showing probable, cause I mean, you know, get the gonna judge involved him fine with that. But like, let's this isn't this isn't that? And also to say, well, I covered crime. I. I you know, I went down to the prison every single day. I got no bail bondsman. I got snow all the people involved with that. And I mean, these are not. I don't want to denigrate a whole profession, but this isn't these aren't people that have been trained to have a high degree of like professional judgement. Like, this isn't a profession with like. A series of ethics at your health to the can be disbarred from this just not the profession and is just immensely troubling. I want to know how this is happening, right? Yeah. What do you think about this? Jeff two things. First of all, I agree with everything. Both of you said, but I really like what you said brianna because so often when you talk about or when one talks about these complex technical issues. It's easy for casual users or people who aren't into tech to feel like it's it's not connected their lives, but you gave very clear purse examples for how impacts individuals lives. You know, it's very concrete thing to say, hey, you know, I feel unsafe because of stockers or because of Xs or if a I've been a domestic abuse survivor or something like that. And to know that your purse. Information that you've gone to so much effort to try to get away from dangerous situations that could be for sale to the highest bidder for the highest bid only needs to be a few hundred dollars. That's just you know. Seems both unethical and and I don't know the law, but it should be legal. It seems to me. So I think it's very important to try to connect that to actual people's lives. And why this is just something for people focus on civil liberties to care about. But this is like a very real impact for people who can potentially be very vulnerable. And that that's one thing that makes it truly terrible. The the second thing that made me think of is this is an excellent motherboard article. That was that just the Cox wrote, and there's a diagram in this article, and we'll link to it that shows the link now, the original telco in this particular case is t mobile, and we can talk a follow up that this team of spoken out about this little bit. But the article also makes goes to paints to talk that it's like ATT Verizon sprint all of them can be implicated this. But the interesting thing is to be clear there. Both of you made this clear, but I'm going to reiterate and the diagram shows that the bounty hunters don't just grab it directly. From the T Mobile's the world. In fact, it goes through these intermediaries, and some of it sounds a little shady so t mobile sends the data to a company called zoom Migo, and then microbial has an API access or some sort of way of getting the data from zoom Ugo, and then microbial has this sort of excuse about how they make the service to different people, including law enforcement. But then when you call them on the, oh, well, you know. What would I begin to see is there's like this sort of chain of custody, and then the more complex ecosystem is the easier. It is to deny responsibility. And I feel like we've seen this in other parts of the industry. You see I have a lot of experience in marketing digital marketing. There's this entire digital advertising ecosystem, they call ad tech or marketing tech, right? And so often we hear about the Facebooks and googles of the world and what they do with data. But meanwhile, there's like literally hundreds of companies there just gathering all this data and reselling it on the third party, ad networks and all the stuff some of it is legit and above board and legitimate. And some of it is super shaky and part of the as bad as it is in a way when like our economic fates are in the hands of a few large companies. It's almost there are other downsides of having this web of companies where there's love deniability and shell companies. So it actually reminds me one other thing which is. The financial crisis of two thousand eight where there was this complex financial products that different organization could just shuffle off to each other. So it wasn't the first person who has sent originating the mortgage loan, but they could send those loans over to these packages sentiment investment, banks and other institutions, and they would slice up the risk and turned him into, you know, synthetic synthetic financial instruments like like collateralized debt obligations, and all this other stuff that you if you watch the big short or Rian, but it's a similar thing where this opacity, and you know, I think at our country we have a libertarian streak that criticizes government and thinks that government can't do a good job. But the thing is that I think sometimes it would government falls down is because the tasks ahead in front of them is really large. And it's a really challenging thing to do regulation. Well, but just because it's hard does not mean that we should give up and this is where there's a role. I think for strong public oversight on this sort of thing. Oh, yeah. Completely one thing. I want to point out an obviously it's still early days on this. Because the story was posted on a Tuesday as we record this. But I remember when there was the carrier IQ scandal about seven years ago, and that was basically a third party company, and it was installed on by certain mobile carriers on on their devices. And it basically was analytics and knowing it was maybe tracking people's location. It was doing other stuff, and it was like straight up attack. Which is what you're talking about be beforehand. A Jeff ROY end the reason I remember this is because I went on TV a ton to talk about what it was why it was bad. How people could you know, a preventative it was there or not if they could. But it was one of those things that that the networks went crazy over like, I was I was on TV a bunch of times for that. I haven't seen this hit the mainstream at all. And I don't know if it's because politics has saturated everything or what? But this to me is so much more insidious than what carrier. I q was like genuinely like this is being able to with a web app geo locate your phone if you give somebody a phone number, right? Like, this is this is way worse than than than a third party ad tech company being able to look at trends and whatnot. And this isn't getting that sort of pickup. And that I think is a problem too. I don't know again. Like, I said, I don't know if it's because we're also fatigued by political news, that's sucking oxygen out of everything. Or if we become so fatigued by privacy scandals that we just come to expect the fact that third party companies with access to telecom data our selling tools that will do geo location stuff to people who aren't even numbers of law enforcement who don't have a warrant and can literally find out where you are. Which is terrible implications for everyone. I couldn't say that on. Yup. Perfectly said. All right. So we'll have links to this story in in the show notes. But. All right. This is all been a Downer. So I feel like I feel like we need some really really really good. Yes. Please. Taking KENDALL Jenner. Yes. I have a Pepsi Christine. Oh my God. This is where if we wouldn't be worried about the licensing and stuff we would play a an audio clip of data wonderful KENDALL Penske ad right now where she joins the protests for happy things. And then gives the cop a Pepsi and everybody shares of a new generation and to be fascinating, not a sponsor. This today's episode now, they are not no they're not. And neither is proactive or KENDALL Jenner but KENDALL Jenner her mom, the apps, I have to give Christian or credit. She really doesn't know how to market everything ninety builds up. This big thing of saying, you know, KENDALL Jenner is gonna come forward and share something really really a difficult about herself and something that's been really private. She's been struggling with and it's going to change things, and you're all going to look at things differently, and she's so brave and so courageous and I'm just really proud of KENDALL for doing this. And of course, videos, like, even though you know, at the end that it's going to be like a scam. Like, you're like, what does this really, you know, it's a setup I was still shocked. By what this was a setup for which is basically the revelation that KENDALL Jenner who according to Forbes is the highest paid supermodel keep in mind, she does not actually walk on the runway, a she's not a good Walker, and she's just she's not and also she's very pretty girl. But like, I don't think she has like runway model like for that type of thing. Like, look what she doesn't walk on the runway. She's she comes to set stagefright, but she gets paid so much money for her other editorial campaigns highest paid model in the world makes more than twice what the number two person makes right? Is. Who's literally making tens of millions of dollars a year offer looks once it's all to know that when she was fourteen she suffered from acne. All. No oh. Oh my God. I feel like I've just been ripped out of the current line Christina right in an alternate universe. I feel like I can't believe in anything anymore. I know I know so so she she shared this really horrific news that as a teenager. She had pimples. And it's not just terrific. It's just so surprising and rare. Yeah, I mean, it really never happens. Anyone I certainly no no one who's this happened to and so she uses everyone's favourite. You know, TV sponsored a skin regimen proactive is she's now the face of proactive, and so she's going to give us all the courage to to order. Skin-care stuff through the television. Okay. So just as a point of fact, it was so amazing about this is after this came forward and people like really really weird to believe that KENDALL Jackson uses proactive like the implements inertial think kindled, kindle, I'm sorry. I'm so tired. It's okay. Okay. Does kendall. Jenner uses the same thing from the infomercial to fix her skin. No going through her her former quotes and found like where she was talking about going to the same like this rockstar dermatologist like a laser on her skin to quote, unquote, curate, and it's just like it's not even true. Right. Right. And like look to be clear people who suffer from cystic acne. Like, it's a real thing. And it can be devastating without a doubt. And I think that treatments that they work for you. No matter who makes them. That's awesome. But for them to pretend. Kendall's acne, which let's be clear was not that bad from all the images that we've seen. And usually when people have had the really horrific acne stuff they show. Those like the before pictures and hers is just like, yeah. Okay. Like and. But like you said that the past quotes are that she went to because look Christian or his her mother Kris Jenner is like look I'm going to make money off this girl's face rose taking you to a really good dermatologist we're going to get to the laser treatments. We're gonna do everything. We can we're paying us some Los Angeles dermatology money, which let's be real like super expensive. And like nothing is proactive or anything like it. But come on guys. Like again, that's like the infomercial product. Yeah. Got up. But that that's what KENDALL Jenner uses to keep her. Okay. Like I have a bit of a hot tick here. And I'd like to hear what you have to think about it. Actually, don't think I don't blame KENDALL Jenner in this instance, because, you know, tons of people sponsor products, and she got a deal with proactive, etc. I think the criticism in this case really comes more to her mom Kris Jenner because she just hyped it up so much and per what you saying Christine. She's she's very good. I mean, they built this multi hundred million dollar empire off of. Reality shows and stuff like this. So Christian knows how to market, but I think he just overstepped because the way she did it the day before with this sort of like surprise reveal like, oh, my daughter KENDALL is going to have this big announcement tar it really made. It seem like she was, you know, like, you said like, you didn't really think he was gonna come out of the closet or like talk about some, you know, a unfortunate chronic condition or something like that. I mean, I guess. Condition of a sort. But then it made it seem like we're going to connect, and this is going to be such a personal vulnerable thing. And then for that to switch to not just a commercial endorsement, but also something that you know, many people maybe even most teenagers have faced with. I think it was that gap that that really like spur Twitter backlash. No, totally I agree with you. I think Kris Jenner is definitely more to blame for this thing KENDALL. But I'm not really willing to give KENDALL like a pass on this just because like we were joking about the pep seeping. Earlier girl has been through this before like this is not her first rodeo with like a bad sponsorship air, but at the same time, I'm also like, you know, the Kardashians are the ones who promote the the laxative tea with no shames with like, no shame at all. You know what I mean? Like, so part of me was like, this is really downmarket brand for her to be representing the part of me is like now Kim does the boot t like, you know, they all do it. Like, the Kylie seems to be the only one who's like. I bet Kylie would be like, no they'd be like highly do like I'd be above this. Which is really funny. If you think about it because I mean, there are obviously different tiers of modeling like couture runway versus like Cadillac and such. But like as you said KENDALL is so highly paid, and despite what you said about her runway walking skills like she's at like this elite level. I mean, if she shows she could just represent like the most sort of like, she doesn't have to do the money grab. No. She hasn't Estee Lauder contract. Like, she like the most elite beauty ran in the world. She has a lot of contract, right? Like like, really? I mean, which to me than just like this just may be nosy. I wanna know how much proactive is pain like. You know what? I mean. It's the hypocrisy of completely guts me because like look a knock her Kardashian basher. I think the family in general is helped some really sexist double standard, right? That like when women are out there, and they're making money like it's somehow evil, or you know, or shallow, not a not a fundamental Kardashian basher, but think it's so telling that like if a family where Chloe like has taken her face as a loose suggestion. And said so much plastic surgery. She doesn't look anything like she looked like a decade ago. And like, they are the number one perpetuators of like, unrealistic, Beatty standards. And then like KENDALL is like, oh, it is just made me feel so horrible because I had acted. I'm like can't that's kind of your family's thing. Like this whole this up to strain. Right. I was gonna say. I mean, like, I've always kind of a little bad for for KENDALL and Kylie 'cause like they're the only two who didn't ask to be part of any of this you ever like eight nine when the show started the genuinely have no say in any of the things that are, you know, what I mean like the reality shows stuff like they were not they were not able to be part of it. But also like at a certain point, you've got to be like, okay. But you've chosen to continue to perpetuate this. I don't know Courtney's my favorite Kardashian because I love her. She she she she she's the smartest, but also she's just like whatever I'm just gonna like be the chill Kelly mom, and do whatever I also very much like Kyle, even though I worry about Kylie. I kindly lunch. But girl right now. Well, but also like boss like just say like she's making she's making it rain. But KENDALL bores me. And so I have to say even this controversy is boring like way to live up to to Europe. You tation KENDALL. Like, you know. But also, I'm with you re the controversy is just I don't know between this and the Pepsi thing. I just I want somebody to like the Pepsi Gips just any excuse I can use to like us a Pepsi. Jeff is is a good one for me shoes. She's trainwreck Kardashian. Sponsorships? It's like she's just like it's like, what are you doing 'cause sisterly bad choices? So all right. We like out there doing sponsorship for Gavin McInnes guys do too bad choice. She she she's gonna she's going to represent movie pass. I feel like the full rocket circle there. Right. The show Christina. I was at your tweeting this week if you're like, my favorite tech product that. I was like I was like, oh, you're going to be talking about movie pass, and it was get up and I'm so disappointed in that. I felt cheated. That's because get have actually lost a pricing decision in like a feature decision. That was good. Whereas, you know, like movie pass continues to be a disaster. Apparently, they got rid of latest news as they got rid of their HR team. And then there had a product quit because they had like this really gross dude as like an adviser who is like harassing people. And they're like, oh, no, he's fired. And then it turns out that he was like on this yacht. This is accompanied by the way that has like near bankruptcy, and they're having like business meetings on yachts, they're like asking people to like oh payrolls late, but but business was done on the yacht. And so like the head of product apparently like run some road, some skating them. Oh that. Businesses cider obtained. So that's just your we we've has drama update. Yeah. I can't wait for the movie. I know is going to be good. I mean, honestly, if the password smart like that would be the next movie that they would like pretty themselves because I'd actually make them some money. Yeah. No. I agree. All right. So what does everybody up to the speak? Jeff. What are you doing? Oh, actually, I'm going to be coming up to Seattle next week for pod. Con. A podcasting conference. So if anyone is there look me up, and I'm happy to talk podcast as a listener. And maybe something different to be announced. Brianna? What about you, Christina? I'm working my butt off on this campaign. I so we are adding staffed our campaign right now. And it means going through resumes, and you know, like one of the things you learn of politics is there is a there's like an insider industry within the insider industry, and I spent all day today in boardrooms downtown talking to the people that got like Patrick devolves with Warren elected. So it's been a really stressful couple of days and I'm looking forward to gain more than four hours of sleep tonight. Other than that, we are adding staff and going down to DC hopefully next week. Awesome. Awesome. Well, I am going to be participating in hack Washington this weekend. Which is a hacker Thon that takes place at the space deal. So. That's kind of cool. Right. Like I've been to a lot of hacker cons before. But I've never been to one at a location as cool as the space needle. So in the very unlikely event that did anybody from this is going to be at that hacker, Thon or whatever, and you see me be sure to say Hello. But otherwise just doing some some work soft doing some. Finalisation on some some talks that I have coming up, and that sort of thing. So that's that's what I'm up to. So if you go to the science fiction hall of fame, which is right nixes space. Needle a ninety percent share my husband's stolen there. So oh, well, that's actually really good because I will. Yeah. Because I'm going to be honest like Hackman's like an all day thing. Right. And was two days, and I'm probably going to need the brakes. So I will do my best to do that. And then it's funny. You could see like meal. Stevenson, like, Neil Stephenson. Right. Like crash. Yeah. He right into diamond into my favorite books. I loved I may just famous book favorite book too. But after that, he became so famous at no one can edit his books anymore. So yes, the first book in the baroque cycle. You could see like the original manuscript to it. It's literally like a foot and a half high of pages that he wrote. On typewriter. It's like God. Bless you. Neil stevenson. That's that's I I love. All right. So I'll have to check that out. All right, Jeff, where can people find you online? You can find my website at WWW dot mind, scale dot AI, and you can find me on Twitter at Jeff Wong. J F H W A N G. All right and Briana. What about you? You can find me on Twitter at Brown a week. Find me on Facebook under fell brianna. We if you were a support it proven the policies, and we talked about today on rocket. You can do that at support branch dot com. All right, and you can find me and Witter and Instagram at film underscore, girl. And you find the videos that I make at work, including video that I recorded last week where I'm wearing like the best hoodie of all time had a YouTube dot com slash Microsoft developer this episode of rocket is terminated terminate terminated.
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From deep divide so choice. Guess what? Ladies and gentlemen, what the frac the number of earthquakes three point, oh or stronger in Oklahoma. Is going down. According to recent reports, according to the US Geological Survey. Before they shut down regulations against oil and natural gas producers have caused the decrease in earthquakes hundred ninety six larger than magnitude three Puerto were recorded last year. As compared to nine hundred three in two thousand fifteen. After a record year for large quakes in that year, the Oklahoma corporation commission who knew directed. Some producers to slow down on wastewater injections at fracking. Operations closed other wells altogether in Oklahoma the hell's going on here. It's like California banning suntanning since then notable differences in the number of magnitude three point earthquakes have been reported this by the way, according to k to KT, you l guess where. That's right, Tulsa to see how good call letters used to be. It's important to note these earthquakes are now thought to be manmade said of caused by faults in the earth's crust Cording to the Oklahoma Geological Survey again who knew there's broad agreement among size Malla just that the disposal of water into or in communication with basement rock. Well, that sounds that sounds like a channel on Sirius XM presents a potential risk for triggering seismicity. That is to say quakes that most reason decline in numbers. Scientists say are evidence that their theories are correct. According to US GS. The wastewater injection used against get rid of excess water by forcing it back into the ground. Can't be anything wrong with that can there. Yeah. The ground speaks to mind. Hello, welcome to la- show. Moving. Again, back on we knew. Great. I'm. Lose. Now. From the Santa Monica, California, the edge of America and the home of the homeless still again ever. I'm Harry Shearer. Welcome to this edition of the show, alad gentleman. News of the Olympic movement. Produced by gen members all junior. The twenty twenty. That's just a year from now near and a half Olympics are scheduled for Tokyo and. The head of Japan's Olympic committee was indicted in Paris for active corruption in connection with the awarding of next year's Olympics here. Scenic across Decatur. One. Tool to be indicted. Added about a month ago by investigating match magistrates looking into a suspicious payment of nearly two million euros. That's almost two million dollars made before Tokyo was chosen. After it beat Madrid and estan, boo. Decatur denied he'd been died at by French authorities said no. Improper actions such as bribery took place in connection with Tokyo's successful bid. He's a former Olympic show jumper who led his campaign is country campaign for the gains. He's also an influential member of the International Olympic Committee. Nothing wrong. Their French investigation. Launched three years ago relates to payments may do Singapore-based black tidings affirm linked to the son of the Senegalese. Former head of the international association about lettuce. Federations lemon DEA. That's the international. The af is. Federation of all the gymnastics federations around the world, and the Diak is himself a powerful marketing adviser marketing advisor to the I a which is of course, an association of amateur athletes. So they need marketing advice be payments were made to stages before. And after the IOC vote that decided the host city top NAS idiotic. That's the sun. I know he's named Papa. He's the son is suspected of having received several million euros in bribes either for sponsorship contracts or to favor the Rio and Tokyo bids for the Olympics. He's been on the INTERPOL most wanted list for three years, the Senegalese government refuses to extradite him to France. Last month, the president formerly requested that Santa gal cooperate. Takeda is currently the vice chairman of the Olympic sorting committee. Tokyo was question years ago two years ago, by Dabney's magistrates French judges on the case because the argument funds might have been laundered in France and the sides. The French fringe investigation was launched in the wake of allegations of wide scale corruption while the. He was initially accused of helping Russian athletes obeyed sanctions imposed for failing drug tests spokeswoman for the Japanese minister in charge of the Olympics declined to comment about the case. Anyway. As should because they didn't. It's a movement. Speaking of which some news of the godly, maybe to the rescue the Vatican has launched NFL team gymnastics track track and field actually with the aim of competing in international competitions, including the Olympics. Part of an agreement. The Vatican signed with the Italian limpet committee about sixty runners from Vatican's Swiss guards, priests nuns, pharmacists. Are the first accredited members of Vatican athletics. Salacious iteration of the Holy See's longstanding promotion of sports as an instrument of dialogue piece in solidarity. A good way to meet young. Oh, sorry. Because of the green with the Olympics. The team is now a part of the talian track associations seeking to join the I f I guess. Partly for the exercise partly for the bribes. It's hoping to compete in international competitions the dream. We have often had is to see the Holy See flag. Among the delegations at the opening of the Olympic Games said Monsignor Jose. Sanchez day took a Alameda the team president head of the Vatican's sports department. He said that was neither a short term nor medium-term goal for now. The Vatican was looking to participate in competitions that had cultural or symbolic value. He added, quote, we might even podium, unquote. First recorded instance of podium being used as a verb. But wouldn't it simplify everything for everybody? If the Perm, you know, they talk nowadays about you can't have the Olympics moving from city to city every four years. It's too expensive, blah, blah, blah. Why not just have the permanent home of the Olympics? Be the Vatican. It just solves. Everybody's problem doesn't it? Speaking of which the global cat goal. More news of the godly, the global Catholic community Opus Dei. Paid almost a million dollars to settle a sexual misconduct suit against the Reverend c John McCloskey a priest who was well known in the Washington DC area for converting big name conservatives including Newt Gingrich. That misconduct suit was filed by a DC area Catholic woman who was among the many who received spiritual direction from a classy through the Catholic information center. She told the Washington Post McCloskey groped her several times while she was going to pass through counseling to discuss marital troubles and serious depression. Groping is not a cure for the guilt and shame over the interaction center into a tailspin combined with her existing depression made it impossible for work at her high level job. She spoke to him about her misperceived guilt over the interaction in confession. And he absolves her. She said. I love Opus Dei. But I was caught up in this cover up. She said. The disclosure of the complaint and settlement were not made public by Opus Dei until this week. But behind the scenes the ministry of the well-known priest have been sharply curtailed, many Washington area Catholics have wondered for years what happened to McCloskey. He was the closest thing to a celebrity the Catholic church had in the Washington region. One other woman told Opus Dei she was made uncomfortable by how he was hugging. Her. According to an Opus Dei spokesperson, he said the organizations also investigating a third claim so far unsubstantiated the call potentially serious the woman he says may have also suffered from misconduct by father mcklusky. In a statement, the vicar Monsignor Thomas bolan said mccloskey's actions at the. D center. We're deeply painful for the woman. Ouch. Who made the initial complaint, and we are very sorry for all. She suffered. The woman requested Opus Dei go public in an effort to reach other potential victims McCloskey was removed from his job at the center year after the complaint when it was found to be credible after leaving Washington after the complaints. He was sent to England then Chicago and California for assignments. With Oprah's day, the woman in this settlement said she was told by Turtur officials in Chicago when he was sent there that he would not be allowed to quote, get faculties. I e permission to fully function is a priest who would be put on a very tight leash. Oh, he might like that she became worried last year when she came into contact with someone else who knew about McCloskey and heard he may have been working as a priest in California Opus Dei in their statement this week said after the settlement McCloskey was told to only give spiritual direction direction to women in the confessional. Meaning, you know separated by wall from them. That is the norm in Opus Dei for priests working with those counseling, but McCloskey had an unusually public free role at the information center. He was a dentist as working in spiritual direction pastoral ministry, and as a spiritual consultant in two thousand fourteen press about him. So apparently McCloskey has not yet given up his Opus Dei job. Thank you very much. Ladies and gentlemen, news of the godly copyrighted feature. This broadcast. One of the biggest events to occur this week aside from the US government shutdown and. Tomo- over whether parliament will approve the prime minister's plan for getting out of Europe is the Consumer Electronics Show. It's the talk of the tech industry. Tech of the talk industry and it occurs in Las Vegas every year. And every year. Let's just put it this way the year after. Ed, Snowden revealed how much listening the NSA was doing to our conversations and our lives that was the year the consumer electronic show first came out with smart devices. So we could be you know, listened in on by others as well. And that trend continues apace at this year's Consumer Electronics Show this this week, the host of startup companies demonstrated to global automakers how the center technology that watches and analyzes drivers passengers and objects in cars will mean enhanced safety in the short term and revenue opportunities in the future. Whether by generating alerts about drowsiness on fast and seat belts or wallets lift in the backseat. The emerging technology aims not only to cut back on distracted driving and other undesirable behavior. But eventually. To help automakers and ride hailing companies make money from data generated inside the vehicle very little data generated outside the vehicle these days very few people riding on the roof in in car center. Technology is deemed critical to the full deployment of self driving cars, which analysts say is still likely years away. You heard it here. Not I but earlier on from the mouth of artificial intelligence expert, Gary Marcus, right now self driving cars are still mainly at the testing stage except in Arizona where citizens are throwing things out them. That is the testing sage the more sophisticated in-car monitoring also could respond to concerns that technology that automates some, but not all driving tasks could lead motorists to stop paying attention and not be ready to retake control. Should this situation? Demanded. The motoring cameras and artificial intelligence software behind self driving cars will likely to be used to help create a more customize ride for passengers right now such cameras are mainly used to enhance safety. Interior facing cameras inside the cars still a novelty the only found in the twenty eighteen Cadillac CT six. Subaru and an electric vehicle startup called Biton are introducing cars this year, who's cameras measured driver inattention. Data from the cameras, analyzed with image recognition software to determine whether a driver is looking at his cell phone or the dashboard turned away or getting sleepy. Companies such as Israel's guardian optical and eyesight technologies as well as Sweden's smart. I Australia's seeing machines limited and silicon valley's IRS technologies. Are crowding the space many Vardi signed undisclosed deals for twenty twenty and beyond. There's no doubt. This is a hot area said the founder and CEO of the Silicon Valley firm. His company combines five two D cameras with a technology for in vehicle seen understanding including car, occupants, height, weight, gender and posture. He believes once automakers see the benefits of a camera tracking the driver they will opt for more. Drivers didn't say automakers paying attention multiple region- reasons as one of the executive said what automakers want is what either sells cars or what regulators tell them to do. European car safety rating program. Euro NCA P has proposed at cars with driver monitoring for twenty twenty should earn higher ratings. Automakers are more excited by the revenue possibilities when vehicle generated data creates a more customized experience for writers generating higher premiums and lucrative tie-ins with third parties such as retailers. Hey, look, you could come you could make a right turn. And in here. The reason the cameras going to sweep across the cabin is not because of distraction, but because of all the side benefits says the automotive research director of Gartner research firm, I promise you says that companies that are trying to monetize data from the connected car are investigating ways to use. I tracking technology. Potential uses go way beyond mere tracking of gays the future, the technology rests in deciphering would've eagle occupant wants then fusing that with other technologies in order to create a more personalized ride. The more, you know, about the user the more you're able to fulfill his or her needs says the senior director of strategy for nuance. Automative automotive on a native nuances connected car platform mixes, I tracking technology voice recognition and even. Emotion analysis from a company called affective. They could play a particular economy when an occupant enters the car, if a passenger looks toward the dashboard, a control could light up to help anticipate a need carmakers could gather anonymous, data Osho and sell it. A billboard advertiser might be eager to know. How many commuters look at his sign dragging the gaze of a passenger tortoise store. Restaurant could be fused with mapping. Another software resulting in discount offered to that person. Consumers will be able to opt out. They say, this is all from Reuters. And. The innovation. Just doesn't stop the world. Just keeps getting smarter. Also at the Consumer Electronics Show colours new me two point. Oh, intelligent toilet. Built in surround sound speakers ambient mood lighting, Amazon, Alexa, voice controls. Alexa, flush might toilet won't flush me. My toilet. Won't you? This is from the verge in a press release Kohler plumbing company. Hundred forty six year old plumbing company. So they know from promises that customers will enjoy quote fully immersive experience, unquote. No, you don't have to dive it. Thanks to the many lighting and audio enhancements of the new me two point. Oh, intelligent toilet. That's what they're calling it. They'll be able to set the mood will the customers using voice commands to queue up music and customize the lighting how long are they staying? All while colours pure warmth toilet seat. Add on does. What it does the company companions? Oh, yes. I used companion verb. The comp- the company accompanies. It's smart toilet with us, March shower, smart mirror and smart tub. Let's get in the smart tub. It is a smart world. Now. Some stuff that was said this week by. President trump. This was a good week for his quotes one was that he denied ever having said that Mexico was going to write a check to pay for the wall long the US Mexican border. The news channels dredged up number of clips that certainly put that statement into. A certain amount of. Dispute darkness. And more to the point. A. Totally unsolicited statement about now you remember in mid-november, President Trump. Trump met with. Chuck and Nancy the democratic congressional leaders to be. And and now are Chuck the democratic minority leader in the Senate Nancy Pelosi now, the speaker of the house and had said in in a meeting that was on camera by his own. Choice that he would be glad to take what he called the mantle of closing down the government if they didn't agree to funding for the wall. This week the president laid the blame. Solely at the feet of Pelosi and Schumer. No mantle involved, but my favorite choice for the quota. The week was this from the president. Responding to a question as it came onto the White House lawn before he was heading down to the border. To witness the crisis. He was asked. Did the per- the classic Harry Truman line? Did he think that the buck stopped with him in relation to the government shutdown? Can you tell about the different? Don't. Now news of our friend, the atom. To me. To me. To me to to me. Well, if you're the government of Great Britain where would you dump the radioactive hulks of twenty two? Nuclear submarines that you've kind of had enough of. Off the coast of Scotland lace, that's according to documents released by the British national archives right at the end of the year. A survey for the ministry of defence in nineteen eighty nine identified six sites for seabeds storage of defunct naval submarines near the winds of sky Mullen, Barra for up to sixty years probably longer detailed and highly confidential m OD studies concluded the pan plan was feasible and would obviate the international problems, which we would face worry dispose of these vessels in international waters. Escorting to a Scottish news site called the ferret. Comes out every week in your pants, according to one ministry of defence official. The aim was to remove submarines from public view. Another hope that quote, everyone will forget about these submarines, and they will be allowed to quietly Rockaway indefinitely. The revolution. Revelations have sparked anger and outrage from politicians and campaigners who cues the ministry defense of seeing Scotland as a nuclear dustbin the ministry of defence stressed the current submarine disposal. Plans met the strictest standards of safety and security the nineteen eighty nine C dumping plan. Ended up being quietly dropped dumped like the submarines that weren't. But they ministry of defence has still not solved the problem of what to do with accumulating number of nuclear subs. That have now been taken out of service. It's that what do you do with the what do you do with the thing after it's done problem a nuclear physicist who was drawn attention for tweeting about fallout from the Phuc disaster has admitted that he and a colleague underestimated radiation doses. In an article for an international scientific journal were you go. Hi Yano at the university of Tokyo said the error, which he recognised just this past week was unintentional. The article was carried in the journal of radiological protections online edition in July two years ago, it listed average radiation doses. That were one third of the actual levels for people in dot Tae a city north west of the Phuc number one nuclear plant is it mission came after an atomic nuclear expert contacted the journal last year to point out unnatural data carried in. The report. And called for a correction the radiation doses. In the article were based on figures. Kept by Dante residents after the accident in March twenty seven. The professor emeritus with the high energy accelerator research organization raised doubts about the data presented in some sections of the report when Yano and his colleagues reexamined the figures they found that they mistook a monthly dose recorded on a summit dough similar as the figure for three months of exposure. High ano- said the conclusion the report still stands screw the data. Dig the conclusion Hitachi, they're going to put a UK nuclear power project on hold negotiations with the British government over funding hit an impasse, all but closing the book on Tokyo's fishing for nuclear infrastructure exports Cording to the Nikkei Asian review Japanese industrial conglomerates board will officially decide next week to suspend all work on the plant, including design and preparations for construct. Hitachi will freeze roughly two point seven seven billion dollars in assets held by its British nuclear business and write down their value likely booking a loss for the fiscal year. Indian March the move would bring to a halt Japan's last active overseas nuclear project after the news last month that a Japanese led consortium. I'm over here, including Mitsubishi was scrapping. The project in Turkey with the aversion to nuclear power that took hold after the Phuc thing showing little sign of abating prospects, look grim for a sector of the Japanese government had positioned as a pillar of its infrastructure. Export drive touchy had taken on the plant's construction of two reactors on the Welsh Ireland of Anglesey after acquiring. You k based horizon nuclear power twenty twelve but it's had trouble finding corporate investors in Japan. The project was discussed with British Prime Minister Theresa may last spring, London agreed to arrange more than two Bill. Two trillion yen. That's a lot of yen in financing for the project about two thirds of the total cost. Touchy ass London late last year for additional financing but negotiations have made no headway touchy did set conditions on continuing its participation in the project in order to reduce its exposure to risk it seeks to unload enough of its stake to take the company that is to say wholly-owned horizon off its books, and it wants a guaranteed electrcity price to ensure a steady stream of income once the plant goes online who wouldn't want that. See who else? British government will give READY STEADY stream of income two. There is virtually no scenario in which three point six million pounds of radioactive waste could pose a public safety or economic threat to people who live miles away from the shuttered San annot Frei nuclear power plant. That's the word from utility officials. Federal regulators this week the bottom line is that no credible. Accident mechanism exists for radioactive material to leave the Santa no Frei site. Given how much the spent fuel has cooled off since the reactors were shut down for the last time. That's the word from the Nuclear Regulatory Commission. This means there is no basis for examining potential economic effects of an accident beyond the site boundary. Never mind out ten to twenty five miles that regulator official and officials from the plant's owner will responding to a pair of reports this week by the Samuel Lawrence foundation. One said a worst case access. Int- could cripple transportation clothes ports, and cause a loss to the regional economy of more than thirteen trillion, and that's dollars. Not yen the other question the process as Edison is using to transfer nuclear waste into St. lined canisters along the shoreline. Next to Santo over. That's right. It's right next to the Pacific Ocean. Critics are the study said these authors made key mistakes in their assumptions about Santa Frei, which closed amid a radiation leak. Well, wouldn't you figure that Edison is in the process of transferring millions of pounds of spent nuclear fuel from cooling ponds to so-called dry storage at the site they transfer to the waste into steel-and-concrete casks. Was halted temporarily. After a near miss accident resulted in a note notice violation issued by the regulators. Gotta make sure you don't drop those casks going forward. And that's that's good advice for everyone. Dateline Richland Washington. A department of energy proposal that could change what is done with some high level radioactive waste at Hanford. The Hanford nuclear reservation has Oregon urging residents to take a stand waste that is no longer considered high level would be disposed in shallow burial instead of way deep. That's according to Oregon, that's states position is at odds with groups in Washington, which is where Hanford is located. They say the department of energy proposal could save billions of dollars in environmental cleanup money across the nation. Making more dough vailable for some of the most pressing environmental cleanup at Hanford now radioactive waste at Hanford and other DOE nuclear cleanup sites. That's right. There's more than one across the nation. Is defined as high level waste based on its origin. Not national origin waste associated with chemically processing irradiated uranium fuel to remove plutonium plutonium is classified as high level waste. They're not proud of that. It's required to be disposed of an deep geological repository. Unfortunately, no such repository yet exists. So. Lacking the repository necessary for the high level waste, the department of energy wants to reinterpret the definition. To look at the waste's characteristics and risks other countries do that rather than its origin. Oregon had that idea nearly three decades ago, but the state is now concerned that the current proposal from the department of energy would give that department unilateral discretion to define nuclear waste to determine how to classify and dispose of it. For decades, it has been managed as high level waste zap, your low level goodbye. Independent regulatory oversight by states and the NRC would be gone as well as criteria for defining waste. It's been approved by congress. That's according to Oregon's comments. Well, let's just redefine all high level nuclear waste as low level. And we've solved the nuclear waste storage problem once and for. Oh for all pressure mounted to keep to nuclear power reactors in north air Scher. This would be in Scotland closed the company that runs them EDF. Energy says it is found more cracks in the reactors or acts in the react in the recruiters and was again postponed plans to restart the French company now estimates there are three hundred seventy major cracks and the graphite core of reactor three two hundred cracks in the core of reactor four three has been closed down since both have been closed down since part of last year, the Scottish news site the ferret revealed in November. Three hundred fifty cracks had been discovered in reactor three in breach of an operating safety. Limit. EDF postponed restarting both reactors to this month next. But now there's been a third for the delay. The company's now hoping to restart reactor fourth the March reactor three at the end of April. A a group of nuclear free. Local authorities authorities had opposed nuclear. Plants held a safety briefing for Scottish, parliament members experts called for the reactors to stay closed rather than risking a new a nuclear accident and for new jobs to be created in the area nuclear policy consultant, Dr Ian, fairly argued that the increasing number of cracks in the aging reactors was not a good thing. Yeah. Spelled their end quote. There's only one thing you can do in that is closed them as they cannot be repaired. He said, although the risks of a major adverse event there are relatively small continued one has to take into account what the worst case scenario would be and that is pretty serious indeed the radioactive contamination and evacuation of both Edinburgh and Glasgow. Well, those would be the two major cities in Scotland. He may be overstating the case. He urged the Scottish government to take more proactive stance. It needs to take a good look at the risks here and to decide whether it is really worthwhile running them. He said after all he added we really don't need their electricity, though, we need to ensure that jobs are safeguarded, unquote. They started generating electricity did the two plants in nineteen seventy six and can provide up to twenty percent of Scotland's electricity. They were originally due to close. Thirteen years ago. But now the power company EDF wants to keep them going until at least twenty twenty three, but the prolonged closures caused by the discovery more cracks and expected have cast doubt over the reactors future. The cracks you see, ladies and gentlemen, are caused by intense radiation bombardment over decades. Well, that's going to stop. If you. Fairly has warned the blocks in which the cracks appear core graphite blocks could split and in some circumstances -cause meltdown and a major release of radio activity that claim has been denied by the company. Do you think which indicated insisted as a matter of fact that the reactors were safe to operate? The company is requesting permission from the UK safety watchdog of nuclear reactors to start them up again. The regulator says it will only authorise further operation of the reactors if they are quote, demonstrably safe. Well, that should be one hell of a demonstration, don't you think? EDF disclosed recently. It had inspected a quarter of the core of reactor three and found one hundred cracks. They use modeling to project the number of cracks cross whole reactor the estimated the current number is three seventy that's over the operational. Limit of three fifty contained in the existing safety. Regulation quote. Although it's important to remember that we always set conservative operational limits, which are well below what would be considered safe? That's according to the company, and that gentleman, you can take to the Bank the nuclear Bank now there isn't one clean cheap to safe meter, our friend, the atom. Travel. Apologies. Is so sorry. Kevin Hart seems eager to make up for his previous failures to adequately apologize for past homophobic tweets 'specially being after being called up by news outlets for not having apologized as he repeatedly claimed on Monday. He offered new apology to the LGBTQ community though in a strange third person. Quote, once again, Kevin Hart apologizes for his remarks that hurt members of the LGBTQ community. I apologize heart said on his Sirius XM show is hosting gig came under fire as you know in early December after some. Burleigh earlier in his life. Homophobic tweets. Resurfaced initially refused to comment. Apologize say already done. So in the past. He only apologize after step down from the hosting job saying he didn't want to be a distraction. Timber. Minnesota Timberwolves guard Derrick rose, this is the NBA for those of you who don't know who to timber. Roles are Derrick rose apologize. This week saying you wished anyone who doubted his drive and determination to play in the wake of the firing of the teams coach Tom tiptoe would quote, kill yourself unquote, rose made the remarks after practice when he was discussing tiptoes ouster typical coach rose in Chicago and help him resurrect career in Minnesota. Tibbs was just a coach of believed in me said rose each of star Mike career again for that. I'll always be thankful, but for everybody thinks that it's going to stop kill yourself. It's not. I missed up said rose by using this laying term kill yourself in response to a question about whether I can get to continue to perform without coach tips. I did not mean it literally and using it. So I apologize. It's slang. He is B N is apologize for taking the Andrew luck. Civil war theme too far during it Saturday broadcast of the Indianapolis Colts Houston, Texas wildcard playoff game. This is NFL football for those like me who don't know a graphic depicting the colts quarterback as a civil war officer taking a cue from a popular Twitter parody account was shown during the game with the confederate anthem Dixie playing in the background. ESPN spokesman Josh Cruella wits issued an apology through sporting news. It was big mistake to use the song we regret having done. So and we apologize. Humor electronic show about which we've heard so much during this broadcast stripped a sex toy, pardon the expression of its innovation award in the maker of the robotic the stimulator is not taking this nub lying down the hardware firm behind the sex toy Laura decarlo and its founder, Laura haddock issued a strong rebuke of CAS and its leadership this week regarding the decision to take back the awarding of the honor pointing to it as evidence of the ongoing issue of gender bias in tech. Said the ES. The product does not fit into any of our existing product categories and should not have been accepted for the innovation awards program. The consumer technology sociation has communicated this position to Laura decarlo. We apologize to the company for mistake, and they can shove no they didn't say that TV meteorologist at an NBC affiliate in Rochester. New York was fired after being accused of using an on air racial slur in reference, doc, Mark, Luke Luther King junior. The chief meteorologist station. Jeremy capital says he simply jumbled his words during broadcast in which he. Apparently called a park named for the slain civil rights leader Martin Luther Coon king junior park. These words have no place on NBC's air. The fact we broadcast them disheartens and disgusts me said the general manager of the station. The meteorologists said he was just talking to fast. He. Had no intention to say. Those exact words if you did feel that way ended hurt you in any way, he said, I sincerely apologize. Green. Book director, Peter Farrelly was film is enjoying moment of this award season. As apologize for news articles referencing past instances of sexual misconduct. Veiled at the time is attempt to humor res- resurfaced this week true. I was an idiot Farrelly said I did this decades ago. And I thought I was being funny and the truth is, I'm embarrassed. And it makes me cringe. Now, I'm deeply sorry. The cut brought attention to two articles from nineteen ninety eight way back the reference instances in which Farrelly showed unsee, unsuspecting people. His penis chance. The rapper has issued an apology for working with our Kelly after clip of an interview him appeared in the new documentary series surviving R Kelly. He said the quote. Used in the episode was taken out of context. But the truth is any of us, whoever ignored the art Kelly stories or even believed he was being set up attacked by the system were doing. So at the detriment of back black women and girls newly sworn in Representative Rashida, tell Leib democrat of Michigan apologize this week for the distraction her expletive comment about impeaching President Trump caused but said she will never apologize for being me and for being passionate and upset. The apologies of the week. Ladies and gentlemen. What would it be accepted copyrighted feature? This broadcast. Gentlemen, that's going to conclude this week's edition of the show the proper interns next week at the same time right here on the radio. And whenever you want it on the audio device of your choice, and it would be just like the buck stopping with President Trump, President Trump if you agree to join with me, then would you already? Thank you very much wrong. 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Works or its employees. Lovers lane a secret of destination for hopefully, young people a lookout or secluded area. We're couples anticipate privacy, Betty, Lou Johnson and David Faraday were just kids ages sixteen and seventeen privacy and intimacy was probably what they expected from their night. What they got. Instead, they never could have predicted. Their murderer at lake Kerman road was horrifying in brutal. Why would someone do that to two kids? There. Couldn't be anything more terrible. It couldn't get any worse. But it did the killer struck again at yet another lovers lane. Manley, mashed bobbed tied and stab them leaving them for Dan subject. Stated I want to report a murder. No, a double murder. I did it a man who wore a evil style. Executioners, carry the knife and gun and intended to use. They haven't arrested me because they can't proven pain. I'm not damn zodiac. Who is where is he from iheartradio? How stuff works and Tinder foot TV? This is monster the zodiac killer. It's been six and a half months since the murders at lake Herman road like before it's another couple in car and another attack. My name is clients word rushed or USD. I'm retired. Blair police department Lieutenant on the night of July fourth nineteen sixty nine that was working too late shift with my partner. John Lynch on the zodiac killing occurred in Boyle. We were in a unmarked police unit and we're in the downtown area of low when the radio call came over about firecrackers at blue springs party. And they got a call this gunshots. We hold them to the park area and observed a vehicle in the parking lot police car right next to it. We'll get out of the car observed. The right passenger side door was all thing. And the body was laying in the ground with two legs still are actually in the car. The male victim had obviously injuries period to be bullet loans, and I walked around to the driver's or and saw young white female behind the strain will which was later identified as Darlene, sir. I talked to her ask her, can you? Tell me what happened there is closed because as you still breathing and she murmured a couple times never opened. Her eyes didn't say anything to do an ambulance is on the way. So we'll walked around the side where John wrench was trying to talk to the mail. He was laying on the ground and injury and his head or that. Difficulty talking. The ambulance arrived shortly after that loaded both victims into the ambulance. I told decarlo to go in the ambulance with them in case either one of them, we're able to say anything, darling. Fair was dead on arrival at the hospital. But the male victim was alive and put in virgin care. Zodiac left a witness behind the male victim in the emergency room. Michael Maggio survived. We went back to Michael Butterfield zodiac expert you heard in the first episode. He was just very fortunate in the sense that none of those bullets hit him in vital area. And that's just pure luck. That bullet might have gone right through his head. So he's very lucky to be alive, and like most people who survived those kinds of traumatic events this probably a certain amount of guilt attached to that wondering, why did I survive why did she die? And then also there's the horrifying realization of how close you came to dying. There's no way that you can forget about that every day. You're if you feel the pain of that bullet, you've see the scars, you know, how close you came to dying, and especially watching someone die right next to you. That's gotta be chilling. Michael Michaud has struggled a great deal with this over the years. Not everyone walks away from a tragedy intact, Ed rust the cop. You heard earlier not only arrived on the Zodiac's second gruesome scene. He also interviewed Michael Mojo in the hospital the morning after the attack. We wish rarely injured was under sedation. But it was able to speak with me, and I enter viewed him at length. He was able to tell me that Darlene had picked him up, but his house they had some kind of sociation. I'm not sure just what she drove them out to blue springs park, and they pulled into the parking lot, and it was empty at the time this pretty late at night. He said they were sitting in the car talking about things and a carload of young people pulled up next to them and yelled and holler a bit and drove off and shortly after that car pulled up behind them driver got out walked up to his side of the car carrying a hand held flashlight. Michael majoria send it was a police officer and was trying to get his wallet out as I walked up and was standing right next to his open window didn't say anything at all to and suddenly pulled a gun up and started shooting. Michael israel. He was hit struck several times. And he literally climbed over the seat into the backseat of little Corvair. Scherzer's kept going, and he said this person actually reached it and shot him at least once or twice while he was in the back seat. After several shots and nothing said whatsoever. He heard card or slam. The lights disappeared. And the vehicle drove off he believes toward Vallejo. He then was able to reach an open the passenger so door had been set in and was able to climb out and he fell down on the ground. And that's where he was when the first police officer did coughed on ride. He said he tried to talk to Dr Lene, the she never did Asir Michael macho the life of terror after this. Heavily involved in drugs. And he just got completely out of it. I'd like to see this case solved. And I think that can be solved, but. It just hasn't. I don't I'm done just kinda burned out them down. But the whole whole situation. Everything I was there that night. 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Fireworks had a country pad in the backyard was supplant close. The restaurant up and went by the house and cutter surprise. The babysitter was still there. She hadn't come back yet. No cellphones. Anything that was longtime ago had no way to get contact sat around waiting. The police showed up to the door wanted me to come down the police station and didn't really say why is it all there's been an accident. Nie-nieto come down the PlayStation. Doc in one little room kind of like this little small interview room. And you know, it's just wondering where you've been tonight toll while I've been working up till forty five minutes ago or so checked with the boss, and he's been there all night. Well, we just tell you. It's it's the worst. She's deceased. They asked her parents lived at I well, I think I should probably be the one to tell them. So I I wrote in to their house with the police officers told her parents, we don't really know what happened but daughter's been killed. Then went back home. And remember if my brother took daughter, my parents house or did that in the next morning. I don't remember exactly what went on after that always going to. I didn't know where it was really. Canana days. That sense of shark. Dean felt persisted. The trauma of dealing with Darlene. Murder left him struggling to raise their daughter. My daughter. Stayed with my parents for. A little bit of a while. But we had. I close friend. No. Well, they volunteered. Babysit? Basically. She was raised for about five years by this other couple poor foster sort of situation which. To this day. She still goes mother and dad that was a miracle for us or me or herbal gave her some kind of structure. Family situation, which at that time. I didn't know where I was going. At this point, so long ago and. My life is really been pretty good. I happy got nice family. Some people say, oh it'll bring closure. Well, I don't. Talk to the TV news thing after the Sacramento of they found him, California, rape minister killer, they called me and came by the house stood out in the front yard for ten or fifteen minutes. We'll bring closure. I don't know. What health closure is? And that was the end of it. I don't know what closure is how does the only thing will end is maybe. People won't talk about it as much, but I don't see that happening and more. It's less painful every time. It's like picking a scab off a little cut down first time at lead like Ellen next. I'm not too much of this is going to lead somewhere. Well, nothing's happened. So. The police investigated the idea that darling Farren had been killed by someone. She knew that's a traditional standard investigative avenue. Darlene Farren was very popular person as a waitress in a local diner there. She had many fans, and of course, many male admirers, and I think that like many people her age she liked having fun that drinking or doing other things. But she definitely liked having a good time. And that included having fun with her friends. Michael majo- was one of the people. She counted among her friends, Michael and his twin brother had met, Darlene at the diner where she worked and like many other male customers there they developed a friendship with her that sometimes extended beyond her work hours. There are a lot of stories about Darlene. Dating other men and doing other things like that. And so it's easy to believe that she was dating a lot of different men and one. Them could have been the zodiac the police investigated multiple leads and early on. There were two men who stood out as possible suspects, George and Gordon. According to the Vallejo police departments reports Arlene had some problems with the guy named George. The report details how George Darlene the restaurant where she worked and with sometimes give a rights home. But friends of Darlene said, she was quote deathly afraid of him, but was friendly towards him in an effort to keep him at a distance on one occasion, he walked into her apartment and told her that he was either going to rape her or get into bed with her in one way or another unquote officers spoke with the tour, and he denies ever threatening, Darlene. But does state that many times he did teaser and make her angry George was quickly ruled out as a suspect, Gordon Arthur was another suspect police spoke with Gordon met door lean while he was waiting for the navy to transfer him. He told officers he en- Dr Lene went on a few days. According to the police files, Gordon said a day or two before he moved Darlene told him that she wanted to leave her husband and move with him. But. Gordon said no because Darlene had a baby couldn't provide for after. He moved Gordon said Darlene wrote to telling him she might be pregnant, but then he didn't hear from her alive. In the case report it reads, he received one more letter from her and it said she had been in the hospital for a short time. But did not state the reason. Gordon thought that possibly she had been pregnant and went and got an abortion somewhere. Gordon stated at this time that he decided not to have anything to do with Darlene and not to see her again, Gordon was also ruled out. He probably don't realize it. But the average American blast. There is with bright screens for eleven hours every day. I'm pretty sure that I'm also one of those people checking my phone editing podcasts watching movies, you name it. The fact is you can't stop looking at screens, but you can protect your eyes with a new pair of Felix gray glasses available with or without a prescription Felix gray glasses or a lifesaver for me they filter out ninety percent of high energy blue light in eliminate all the glare coming off. Screens can live my life without tire dry is blurry vision or headaches. 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I wanted to know if dean knew how darling spent her time when she wasn't at home or at work. She was a waitress at pancake house. I was a cook there, and we got to be friends, and then it escalated from there. I guess at the time she was married to somebody else. He was being rather abusive, and I helped her find a place to live with a friend of mine from there. We got to be better friends ended up getting married a little bit sooner than we may have thought back in those days was a little bit different. Now. Good girls don't get pregnant when they're. Single and we'd planned on get married. Anyway, it was pushed up a little bit. She had just turned twenty one. So like to go out and dance. She in some of the other waitresses would go out to go out occasionally with them. She still had friends firm when she was had lived in San Francisco. She's go down and see exactly what they did. I, you know, there's all kinds of rumors down there that was drug connection, and that was her boyfriend's or whatever, you know, some of the police talked to they were asking me all rumors are that she was having a lot of fares. Well, I would like to believe she wasn't. But I know this. She liked to go out. But where did majo- stand with Darley as far as Michael Joe or how his name one of those things but out of my head? I would like to believe that's not true. I don't have any way to confirm or deny. Michael Michaud today talks about their relationship in terms of that he wanted to marry her in all kinds of things. But at the time, it appears that they were just friends, maybe he had a very strong crush on her. There's no evidence that she ever responded or reciprocate in that way. And although there are a lot of stories about Darlene. Dating other men and doing other things like that. There's no solid evidence behind any of that. I think a lot of that is warmer. A lot of that comes up years later. Darlene Farren is like the Laura Palmer of the zodiac case, Laura. Palmer was the victim in the famous TV series, twin peaks, and of course in that series. That was a very complicated murder story and her background had a lot to do with what was going on. But I think that's what people wanted to believe with Darlene Farren. So they wanted to believe that she had this rich mysterious private life, or there's all these sinister secrets and shadows. And things like that. And so easy to believe that she was dating a lot of different men and one of them could have been the Zodiacal he's things, but there's no evidence to support the. Investigators even looked into Michael majo-, many people today still theorize that he knew the zodiac was going to attack that night. Michael Joe at the time of the shooting was apparently wearing several layers of clothing the layers of clothing have been troubling for some people because Michael Michaud did have some minor criminal entries on his record. And some people have read a lot into that. They think it's evidence that there is something sinister going on or that. He knew something that he was a criminal a burglar that he was wearing one set of clothes. So that escaped it could take those off. And then fide there's other people who have actually come up with the theory that he knew they were going to be shot that night, and he was wearing extra layers of clothing in case he had to take it off. There was blood on him or something like that. I think it makes a lot more sense to believe that Michael Joe was young kid rather skinny and he was out at night. A lot of kids were extra layers of clothing. I never did that myself. I wore a lot of jackets when I was a nice school. But I did know people who did that. And sometimes it was because they weren't comfortable with the way they looked in their clothes. They would try to pad their bodies that may have played a part in it. I don't see any reason to believe that he knew about the shooting that night. Most people would not volunteer to be sitting next to someone who's going to be shot to death in car. I think in reality. It's just a kid in his insecurities. The following is a reenactment of a portion of Michael Maggio's statement to the police after the incident at blue rock springs, the recording comprises reading an actor of Mr. Maggio's statement in first person voice. The vehicle pulled up approximately ten feet behind us to the right of darleen Carr. He had a high powered flashlight the kind you carry with a handle. You walked up to the car. And both of us believe it was a policeman. He stepped up to my side of the car shining flashlight on it didn't say anything to us. And we didn't say anything to him started to reach for my wallet felt it was a policeman who wanted to see my ide- as I did. I heard a muffled sound and felt a pain in my back and my neck. I heard some more muffled sounds that sounded like a gun with a filing on it. I tried to climb over the back seat to get away from the shooting and he kept shooting again. And again, finally, he quit shooting and turned the gun on Darlene started shooting her again, and again, he then turned around and started to walk back to his vehicle would still have to have lights on. I couldn't tell if I meant to yell at him or if I just yelled from the pain, but I let out. Some type of yell. He apparently heard me and came back to the car and shot me two more times once in the back and once in the leg determine the gun on Darlene and Johner twice more all the shots. I heard muffled. There was a silencer on it. It wasn't allowed. He then turned around and casually walked back to vehicle and God in. I reached outside the car door to open it because the handle inside was broken. I reached outside and open the car door and fell on the ground fell on the ground the vehicle he was in backed up in a turning movement and then took off towards springs road. Vallejo at a very high rate of speed. The beagle. Drove off. I only fell the rear portion of it this rear part appeared to be vehicle similar to or the same type is Darlene. Carr core. Fair also a very similar color possibly a little bit lighter Brown it had a California license plate. But I couldn't tell what the numbers were. As best as I can recall a man appeared to be short possibly five eight, and he was real heavy set beefy build possibly one ninety five two hundred maybe even larger hit short, curly hair, light, Brown, almost blond. He was wearing a short sleeve shirt. Blue in color. I saw faith from the profile side view. I don't remember seeing the front there was nothing unusual about face other than it appeared to be large. He had a large face. It was dark. It was just too hard to see him. As strange as many of the circumstances were Michael majo- has been cleared of any and all suspicion the answered questions surrounding the murder of Darlene Farren, and attempted murder of Michael majo- have left many, people guessing and theorising it's made for an odd and complicated case, but it's not the questions or the attack itself that cast this case in the limelight. It's what happened minutes after that marked the beginning of vizo deacs notoriety. While Michael Darlene were struggling to survive and blue rock springs park. The killer apparently was driving around Vallejo until he found a payphone and he called the Vallejo police department. Call was answered by the dispatcher Nancy slower. I want to report a murder. If you will go one mile east on Columbus Parkway, you'll find kids in a Brown car. They were shot with a nine millimeter Luger. I also killed those kids last year. Goodbye. Next time on monster. Vizo yet killer strange letter arrives at the offices of three northern California used papers. And so the first letter came I was among the copy, boy sorting mail box where letters editor. Stuff in there. It's chilling just to look at each part consisted of a block of symbols from strategy half filled circles, backwards letters, they found symbols that were repeating next to each other while the most common double letter in English is l l l l appears in a lot of words all will and kill what I need a new weapon canoe animal. On my island. I on the most dangerous game. When the searches car the found a couple of books. One books was my book on sir murder. He decided not enough for me to shoot people. I need to look in their eyes and see them. Oh, everything's okay. No. And then look in their eyes when I flip on them. And they find out that this is not what they thought. 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