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"larry coon" Discussed on The HoopsHype Podcast With Alex Kennedy

The HoopsHype Podcast With Alex Kennedy

01:48 min | Last month

"larry coon" Discussed on The HoopsHype Podcast With Alex Kennedy

"With that mind. Do you think the sign and trade market in free agency is going to be active this summer. So you're still well and i. The scientific really works differently now than it used to work before because before teen could get the biggest deal. Possible from his home. Hugh for assigned Five and eight percent racist or whatever. The highest racist were at the time now a player can only get the kind of contract five percent raises in four years that he could get signing with that team directly which means that if the player can sign with another team directly. He's just gonna go ahead and signed it sweetener to get him to resign with his old team with the purpose of assignment rate which means a signing trade really is only useful now when a player wants to go to eighteen that doesn't have capital decided directly so now it's just a function of capra by. They said every every yours different sometimes more teams can. Sometimes they have less. The rule of thumb is when cameroon goes down signing traits. Because that's the mechanism for getting moves down so with fewer kings with a lot of capri now this one kind of in the middle of a few teams there I would still expect to see more james trying to get their work done through signing because the players who might be looking to change teams that could get screwed. It would be one example. He's looking to go from somewhere east. He's apparently looking for a lot of money and a team that wants him and may even be willing to meet his asking. Price may not be a team at the cap room to be able to sign him to that. Which is they're looking at making the deal. Do.

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"larry coon" Discussed on Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

06:40 min | 1 year ago

"larry coon" Discussed on Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

"Field goals in the restricted area down to sixty eight sixty. It's not terrible, but you want it to be a little bit higher there and then shot thirteen percent of his attempts from Florida Range, and only made twenty percent of those actually nineteen for for going around down, and at a lot of those I mean he didn't take many of those, but. To the extent that he ever tried to post up I mean he is just hilarious. Yeah like. I call we call it footer as this came up with with with PJ. Mouse bridges like a lot of those aren't floaters for Bombay. Here can't move guy what he's posting them up, so he shooting from voter-rich yet? I mean he's kind of like a kristaps porzingis who can't shoot in the post like it's. It's really bad. He was three out of twelve with five turnovers on seventeen post up possessions and important remember like they're not throwing him the ball in the post against the center. Like the only reason you're throwing the ball in the post as if he has some big mismatch, and yes, so that was really bad for sure I do have some hope for the for the jump shot I. Don't see him getting to like a forty percent level, but. At least it gives them something to do offensively, but he really at a you know kind of jumped sideways on on his jump shot. It's a little weird well, and the other part is like so why I would put a smaller player on Bomba is. If you depending on, could you personnel wise because presumably the magic, or whoever going to have another? Another a another player on the four who could shoot less is he is such a terrible screener like I mean you don't have to worry about Oh. What what happens if that guys get scrambling, caught or something like that? It's not going to be problem well. Maybe that's a reason to not do that because you just lay your center pack I guess. WE'RE GONNA make contact on the screen and yeah I mean the thing is just other than just standing there and shooting. He is atrocious that everything else offensively he's. Grabbed a couple. I'll say yeah. Yeah, every once in a while, but he's not even really like that. Great Value Threat in Pick Romney, he is probably one of the worst pick and roll centers in the NBA Pity Roll Roll, man, fourteen, th percentile, and you'll pick and pop was like okay ish, but as a roll man I mean his hands are really bad. He's got no feel for making any kind of a play on the move. you know again. He's not a huge Elliott threat. you. You throw it right at the Rim who get it, but he's not gonna just like who doesn't have a huge catch radius, and then similarly out a pick and pop. He can't do anything against a closeout like if you throw it to him and he doesn't have the shot right away. Like your possession is just kind of dead for a time until someone can come up there and get the ball from him, and so yeah, no drive game in a no pump and drive game whatsoever. We mentioned that his terrible screening. You know he doesn't ever like. Slip the pick and get to. The Rim doesn't change the ankle. He doesn't make contact just every time he set the screen. The guy is just to get over it very easily so He's really despite that shooting ability, and you'd think like hey. Man protects the rim. Shoot the ball. That's pretty good, but he's just so limited every other way particularly offensively, and you know you see Oh, three-point percentage of block block percentage while that's great, but those like the only two things that he does well so I'm not. Not GonNa say that he can't evolve still, but just the lack of fuel, and then also just the US. Don't see playing. That are like he's got to just play harder I think the other part of it to really make a difference, and I don't WanNa. Do a full comparison, but remember it was less than two years ago or actually almost exactly two years ago, that five bigs were taken in the first seven picks of the NBA draft Eytan Bagley Jaren Jackson. Who haven't done yet Mogambo Wendel Carter various levels success for all those guys. The two non bigs taken Luca trae. Okay. I mean that's not to say that. The the big the the smalls who were not taken by those like the next ones where the next non bigs were Sexton, Knox and Mikhail bridges now those guys are necessarily setting the world on fire, but like yeah with bomb. A I will say I think. His defensive rebounding has also improved a little bit for me I. Still not great like it's. It's not at the level where you're super senator. Remember he's mostly going gets backups. As now he's having to go against the beefier. The beefier players that sometimes still start at the balance of the world, so at Bomba Yeah I'm still I'm still gonNA give him a high development score of a seven just because he was so bad last year, but my. My confidence that he becomes like a term starter is lower than it was when he was drafted in my confidence that he can be an above average. Starting Center is meaningfully lower than when he was draft briefly on west of Windu h twenty five season out of Kansas State. The appeal there was used in that six seven range. has some ball handling ability, but due to. To his limited skill level, he hasn't really been able to translate that into anything he did. Take away a step forward as a shooter I mean just watching him. He was not passing shots quite as much, but still you know three threes per thirty six minutes, and you know not really able to get to the rim that much I think he's a quality defensive. Option a little. Little thin, but he's started small Florida a fair amount with Isaac out as they move Aaron Gordon to power forward and so as the defense adoption I think he, he's just fine a, but offensively. It really doesn't have you know. He's low usage low efficiency at he's not that much of a difference maker defensively to have those type of numbers, so he is, he's Solid defender than a playmaker which can be fine, you can have that you can have some of those guys in your rotation like do if he's not making a ton of money and I think he's GonNa be ridiculously squeezed by this market as a restricted free agent. Then sure you can have them in your tation, but I don't see especially. This was age twenty five season. I don't really see like starter upset. There seem as you know we can beer beer ninth. Ninth or tenth guy be you're like number four rotation player on the the kind of the forward, and that's fine. There's there's no shave. I think he's even worse than that I i. think he's seems like more like a fifth wing to me. just like he's just pressed into service because they don't have anyone else. Also Oh, so development for him. I'd give them still like six because he hasn't produced shooting. Bomba got way we keep forgetting. I gave him. Oh. Okay, Yeah I think I'd be right there with Baba's. We'll just because he was so bad last year and he actually. Their bench unit did some stuff this year and he was at least didn't prevent that from happening Kemper, he took a real step back here. and You noted this that only forty four percent of the shots during the restricted area and He can't make any shots outside the research area. That was a problem, but you know it is other. Issue is just that he had to play a lot of power forward this year hilarious that the magic had three starting level of power Ford's. We thought at the start of this year two of who started together but Gordon and Isaac and offering new all the..

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"larry coon" Discussed on Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

06:28 min | 1 year ago

"larry coon" Discussed on Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

"Don't get that /capspace. You are also another. You came from US absolutely. Absolutely while we can, we can jump from potential. Jonathan Isaac to human being Jonathan Isaac, who this was his age twenty two season third year out of four to state, and unfortunately this is the second of Jonathan Isaac Three seasons that was sidetrack massively by injury, nine hundred and forty nine minutes and five, hundred, thirty six, remember his rookie year when he battled injuries almost the whole time aunt, but said the so. The availability is a big question with remember he will be extension eligible this offseason, but when he was on the floor, he was one of my favorite defensive players in the entirely. Yeah, and probably. Should've given a little bit more. Shine to when we're talking about some of the best defensive players in the NBA but you're just been hard because he can't stay on the floor. And offensively. The really was not a hun to like know. He's continued to get stronger defensively. I think that's helped him I mean he just looks huge other. He's got that big standing reach, and it just makes a ton of plays. you know the offense just hasn't really improved that much in particular the point shooter. I go back to that playoff series against the raptors last year where he was just nobody was even in his zip code. They're just letting him fire away from three, and he was not able to make the defense pay, and you know pretty much same frequency saint percents thirty three percent, three point five three per thirty six I mean that's just not gonna cut it in terms of the type of offensive player that he's going to be he, he's got some versatility to be sure of. There is a lot of variety in how he attacks a, but he's not particularly good at any of those in of his efficiencies out above average in any A. Other than just as a pick and roll roll man where you only had nineteen possessions so you? He'll post up a little bit. He'll try and cut to the basket I mean another thing that I think could really help him in proving finisher yet. I mean with his is. That's just not good enough. And we noted the since he's come out that he's a much better to foot leaper than one foot leaper, so if he's really on the move getting to the. The basket, he just struggles to explode, and then he's got pretty small hands, too, so he's able to move the ball rod and finish, and so when you look at the numbers in the half court, it's really not very impressive as a finisher, you try to improve his left hand a little bit, so he can get some more finishing angles, but that's still a work in progress as well, but yeah I mean defensively is just an absolute stud son of some of. Of the numbers there are close to unprecedented. They are so I blocked seven point four percent of opponent two point shots when he was on the floor, and he also had two point six steel percentage, which is ridiculous and a pretty solid defensive rebounders, well all the way up to nineteen percent, and when you remember that he's playing next to a big basically all the time that you're gonNA see that number, go down a little bit over the last twenty individual players seasons. Seasons this was only the third year where somebody had a block rate over seven percent and a steal right over two point five percent, the other two were second time. This has come up in these nerlens Noel Eighteen, nineteen and Andre Care Link Oh no four, zero five, so just a player who can be defensive playmaker, and Shop Locker to that degree, also limited sample opponents shot fifty was fifty one percent on shots contested around the rim, which is phenomenal and so. He has a lot of those tools and something that I've liked about. Is it going back to the film? I watched him at four to state. Is that so we talked to the Bam section the last podcast about how I like Bam more as a kind of like a a switch in small guy defender, and not as much as rim-protector Isaac. He's not an amazing. You know especially because he's not Super Scout. Scout like rim-protector. If that's all he does, but I think of him as more of a hybrid between those two approaches, somebody who can do either, maybe not as well as the specialists, but that's really scheme versatile which I think is valuable because depending on what a team has going around Isaac. He can make it work. Yeah, and his defensive partnership with Aaron girl I thought was good. Gordon's a little stronger maybe. I don't know that he's better than Isaac on Paul, but Isaac is so much better as a help guy. That makes more sense to have Isaac. Be The off ball guy. He makes great rotation. He'll come in from behind. Get some blacks. He's got that huge standing reach, but ultimately this all rolls back to. It's just got to stay healthy. I mean this is two of his three years now. He had the ankle problems a rookie where he barely played now he had this severe knee injury. I don't know if he's officially been ruled out yet from the restart and I'd love to see him. Get a round playoff experience and really see where he's at as far as being able to make the defense pay if he's not being guarded and also. Get a better understanding of what he needs to work on, but I mean I think he's definitely going to be a top ten fifteen defensive player in the NBA for a long time, and it's just a question of whether he can stay healthy enough to find some offense of rhythm yet and a player who is good enough or potentially even great enough as Isaac is defensively, you can survive them being your worst offensive player, but something else that we've run into with Orlando, theme says that that does put a lot of pressure on the general manager to build to the team around him, and on on all the teammates so late. Yeah, you can survive. If you use your women. Muslim, it'd player. Player I think that's that's Isaacs. His probably his at least present likely his future as well, but you know I think you can make that work. You can deal with it, but it does put a lot especially. When the point guard who is who is the same draft class who is also going to be exceptional this year while Barca full, says a lot of things shooting still not particularly one of them know. What are the numbers on that? We'll see I. we'll start their faults. This was age twenty one season. He shot twenty five percent on a two point three, three, thirty six. We didn't give Isaac a devout. Sorry I, Kinda WanNa. Give Him an incomplete because because of all the time. But all. I'd go five again. He did it. He didn't really do much offensively compared to where it was, but he still improving defensively and I thought that made a big difference gamified. Yeah, okay so back to. An opera I'd probably going to give folio an eight or something. Rating. Nine yeah, but that said. It does highlight where he was basically not being able to play at all last year, but also with the jump shot so far to go here. Yeah, so twenty five percent on two point three per thirty six, and those are mostly assisted now like. Oh, we loved his off the dribble jump shot going back to the Nike Hoop Summit and that's just not a part of it anymore and overall full shot thirty seven percent jump shots, forty-three percent on two point jumpers, and amazingly..

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"larry coon" Discussed on Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

05:52 min | 1 year ago

"larry coon" Discussed on Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

"Be Part of that for Washington was folders, so he took a full twenty five percent of all the shots from the field from that three ten foot range, and only made thirty four percent of those. If you shift some of those two, ideally two shots in the restricted area where he made sixty six percent or two free throws, be a little bit more aggressive, not settle. That would be important or even shifting some. Some of them to threes, because shooting thirty four percent on voters and thirty seven percent on threes, you get the extra point and everything else like that, but the big challenge for me with with Washington moving forward is that while his the on off stats both liked him defensively, and there are some things that I appreciate their guys that I don't consider super sweaty that don't really have the chops to be rim-protector. Wash I'm not writing anything off with him. Twenty one years old, but I saw him more as a kind of a Ford offensively than five. It can sometimes be hard to fit so I'm not I'm not like freaked out about it, but it's something I'm aware of yeah, and again it should more mobility than expected to me if you saw him, he was. was also really a five at the lower levels, the really operated exclusively inside, so he deserves a ton of credit for the transition that he's able to make I want to go back to something you said, though about twenty five percent of shots being from Florida ranch, not being a high percentage of those, and then also the low free throw rate and. And a lot of those are related to the Florida ranges. Generally determine we like to use, but that's a misnomer. His case just because he's getting a lot of that posting up, so a lot of what he was doing was picking role that you read more picket role than than expected to pick and roll, get the switch and then try to get. Get into the post, but his post game you compare him and this guy didn't post up nearly as much but compare him to like grant Williams approach in the post right. Grant, Williams is like Oh, you're you got the switch on me? I'm going to just put your ass in the goal right now and now grant lives posting up slightly different. Different situations, right? It's not okay. We'll get the switch and pick and roll. It's kind of a set period. We not really once you get the pick and roll switch. It's tough to really try to post up like right at the charge circle, but when he gets the ball against a smaller player, it's not just back down. Uses size a lot of it. It is goes to a hook shot, which is like an OK shot him. You know he doesn't have the highest release. Sometimes. He doesn't get the greatest position on that you'll. He'll come across. The Laney can't really go to his right shoulder particularly well, either. It's very dependent on that. Hook shot that he's just not getting great position on and so if If he's GONNA post up this much I. Mean I like the idea of him really trying to mash someone as a former. He's gotTa Chase these guys around so now. Maybe he can make guys pay as a former power forward center type, but he doesn't post up like that. He doesn't use his size enough and so that to me is one of. Of the big things that he needs to me, for is a perfect example. This they get the picket role. Switch any post up terrance Ferguson. WHO has roughly the body mass of a piece of paper and he's on the right block. He drives across the lane for like a tough lefty hook fading away and really. I think he really needs to take. Back Down and neither draw, help or score, but really you know, make himself undeniable as opposed to taking a shot that you know he could make it, but it's not a shot that the defense is like really worried about. Yeah, and I could see Washington's approach changing in time depending on how how is his built changes? How how James Borrego and the coaching staff adjusts to his role like but as a rookie I think there were there were some some positive signs. There was also interesting I alluded to this before that both RPM an P.. p. p. m., like Tim on on defense plus two point four two defensive RPM is very strong, but a a significant negative on offense and I think that's more about the contact. If you compare him to. The numbers from mouths, bridges I think there's your answer on why he's so high on some of those that could be, do you? Do you WANNA use that? As a transition, two miles bridges not why I got a little more in Washington. He's some of the people. WanNa WanNA talk. What about Sorry I interrupted your point there so? I think his defense is a little bit more is a little bit more limited I. Think he can be a a nice little complementary piece, but I think that he Washington I. Don't think that other than as a change of Pace I. Don't love him as a small ball five I. Don't think that's GonNa, add in like one of those again. It's not the biggest sample size, but opponent shot sixty five percent on contested shots at the Rim and he block right. You know a little bit under a block for thirty six minutes, not that he was asked to be that guy in the center lane. The Hornets had centers. He only PJ only played center. I think it was. was like eleven percent of the time this year per cleaning the glass and the Hornets sucked in those minutes small sample size until. Yeah, I I think that Washington award of this is going to be the shifted like how has mentality adjusts to being a smaller fish in a bigger pond offensively, and then where he slots in defensively as he can be like a helper, who can also do a little, maybe a little bit of switching, and if he can check a couple of those boxes than I mean not every forward sized player doesn't have to be a superstar, you can still be paid your shots and make life harder on opposing offenses, and you're good and the shooting. was encouraging, and hopefully he can continue to build a on that. You're I mean that could be because he's not I. Don't think defensive tools are atrocious I. Don't think he's as you mentioned. He's GonNa be some real quality. Option there, but I think he can hold up so like with so many of these young players that we're talking about I. Really WanNa see. Is he going to continue to? To specialize he, you know sort a lot of offense, versatility, pick and roll roll man, you know probably set more pick and rolls screens than your average for man that is going to do. You can finish her on the basket a little bit. He's got this post up game and he was acceptable as a driver needs to work on his passing to be sure, so he's got some versatility offensively..

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"larry coon" Discussed on Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

01:44 min | 1 year ago

"larry coon" Discussed on Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

"Anniversary or wedding gift, and my sixteen by Twenty oil painting came into right around four hundred bucks, and of course there's no risk here because if you don't love the final painting your money. Money is refunded guaranteed, and they're offering a for a limited time twenty percents off your painting. That's right, twenty percent off and free shipping. Here's. We have to do to get this special offer text. The WORD NBA to sixty four thousand. That's NBA to sixty four thousand, though. Let them know that you came from us. Once. More text NBA to sixty four thousand pay your life, celebrate the moments that matter most and don't forget to get that. Twenty percent off by texting NBA to sixty four thousand. Okay, let's bring in Danny now to discuss what he termed on our last episode, the two more exciting teams of the Southeast Division compared to those always. Compared I. Try trying trying to sell this year, I mean. Honestly I'm absolutely fascinated in the young players on both the magic. In the Hornets we're going to discuss I. Hope that people who are nerdy enough to listen to this show feel similarly well. There's some interesting ground here I mean so. We could start with devante grand devante Graham one of the more stunning. Dreamt plays for the Charlotte Hornets. Case! Disowns wondering as a rookie grand played about half of the Hornets Games averaged five points, three assists per game, came off the bench, and then got thrust into the starting role one Kemba Walker left for Boston and then just absolutely explodes. Seven and a half assists in thirty five minutes per game. His second years is age twenty four season grand played all he played at at Kansas for.

"larry coon" Discussed on Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

09:11 min | 1 year ago

"larry coon" Discussed on Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

"Think it's a matter of just controlling the bleeding as much say possibly. Can this year so? You don't. The. Acting accordingly so next question I have for you is. Let's start with this as a potential baseline. Let's say that maybe revenue for this year. Let's assume that the Orlando bubble gets completed. They get most of the TV money. Maybe there's a little bit local TV money that didn't come in because the team's didn't get to seventy games, which is a reported benchmark some of these contracts. Let's say an of course you're not going to have fan revenue for the plus. Plus. Let's say there's a reduction in revenue of fifteen percent this season, the one thousand nine hundred twenty season. What would that cause to happen to the salary cap next year? Just based under the agreement as it is now. We know that's very likely going to be rewritten, but as a baseline, they make no changes at all. How does that change the for next year? Well, that's nuanced right because under normal circumstances, they base the cap next year on the revenue. On the wall on the projections for next year, which are typically based on the revenue for this year now with the revenue, being down the projections for the cap next year at a literal reading would also be down by commensurate amount. The problem is the revenue next year. It's going to be what it is even if let's say that the League is one hundred percent healthy next year. There's a vaccine that. That comes out tomorrow and everybody's over covid nineteen by the by the started the season next year, and everybody's going to be able to come back healthy, and they resume normal operations, so let's say that next year it would be a normal year in terms of the revenue coming in that just means that this year was a poor predictor for what's going to happen next year and they say that in. So we talk about the CBS as written now it has a class for situations like this. When there is a big in revenues, then they figure out what to do about it. So by a literal reading the VA as it exists today. This would trigger that and they're going to have to figure it out. It already says they can't just go by what's written in the because Adam. Silver said the CBI was not developed with a global pandemic in mind, yeah. Yeah and there's you know there's the force measure that the NBA could trigger if they wanted to completely rip up the CPA because the games have been canceled this season of, but it's not I. Think because a lot of people are kind of analyzing this, too. Oh, this is kind of the reverse of what you had in two thousand sixteen when you had all this. TV money in and yeah you. You know they tried to negotiate smoothing the players association didn't want to do it. The League didn't press very hard for it. They weren't going to make any concessions, and so you had this big bump up and so I think a lot of people analogize it to Oh wouldn't something similar just naturally happen within the form that there's a big reduction in revenue, but what you're telling us is no. No, it's not that simple. You really essentially what the says. You have to negotiate what the cap is going to be. Yeah there. There's a big drop in revenues clause in the there is not a big gain in revenue clause in the CBA you know unfortunately for what happened in two thousand sixteen seventeen. Yeah, so there really is just no formulate all to to have a big reduction in the CAP. Cap If we go down this far. There's no it just says you know we're. We're in charge. Territory and I think the overriding lesson here is that we can't apply previous assumptions for anything. We can't even say that. The big market teams are going to be big market team still. We can't say we can't say anything about what's going to happen because it's just a big unknown. That's one thing that. Tim Bontemps and Bryant Horse have talked about and their reporting, which is essentially, you're gonNA have to figure out a new revenue sharing paradigm for all these teams because teams could have much different revenue. The warriors are are a great example. Their TV deal is pretty ancient, and so they're not getting paid commensurate with what their successes been. How big of a market they have did like a long extension. I think pretty soon after Joe of bought the team when they still weren't any good, and so if they're not gonNA have any fans, and then they also have like this arena that they built a. In theory still debt service on, and there have been expenses, and so all of a sudden they are not necessarily a big market team in terms of their profits and the Revenue Sharing A. In theory have to reflect that, but there's going to need to be some sort of negotiation among the teams to figure that out. And then we have to talk about the elephant in the room, which is the bubble is a big experiment, and that experiment can go badly, and I think the odds of that happening there, certainly greater than zero and I'm not sure if they're even worse than a coin, flip of this whole thing could blow up and if that happens, and we're in a situation where we don't know how to restart a league until vaccine and heard immunity happen. What do we do for the next season right? Because they there there would be no restart planet point. Yeah, that would be a a major issues while you just like not do anything until then or do you try to play So the only a couple of things have come out of kind of what's the tentative plans in hopes are for next year one. Is that league expect the cap to be set around the same as it is this year at one hundred nine million now. If you have a forty percent reduction in revenue for next year, and yeah, you might have normally a ten percent escrow. That's GONNA lead team probably losing a lot of money if you still have to play the players ninety percent of what they're supposed to. To get, but you're only getting sixty percent of the revenue that thought you're going to get, so that could be an issue than the second aspect of this. Is that rather than a ten percent escrow? The escrow for those who don't know is basically you hold that in abeyance for the entire year, and then if revenues aren't high enough to for the players to have gotten all of what they're supposed to get in terms of salaries than the owners get to keep that ten percent of revenue, what they've suggested is. bontemps winters that there could be a twenty percent escrow for next year. What is your opinion of that? Just as as overall observer, not taking sides, but just that is a good solution. You'RE GONNA. Have to because on one hand I like the idea of keeping the cap where you would normally expect it to be because that makes this year's free agency operate like last year's free agency. You know it keeps consum-, consistency in the free agent market, so if you have the bad luck of becoming a free agent in the wrong year, you're not completely screwed by that. But. The escrow was the thing that supposed to control for the variance in the revenues, and making sure that the players get their guaranteed now they're guaranteed somewhere routine, forty nine and fifty one percent, and that's supposed to do fine adjustments. Of course, it doesn't handle a big drop in revenues. was created with this in mind, so if we're going to have a big one, and we want to try to control it through escrow then we need a bigger escrow pool, so you can kind of do the math backwards right? The revenues going to be six billion, while the players are going to get about three billion, but their contracts are gonNA add up to. To a lot more than that if they if if the contracts at up to four billion and the players by virtue of their revenue split are guaranteed three billion down here, then that means that the players have to give back a billion, which means that the escrow pools gotta be about twenty five percent. You can kind of set it that way. Yeah, that that. Makes Sense to me the one thing that and maybe I'm missing something here I defer to you on these matters of course as the cat father, but if you've got only twenty percent, escrow and revenues are down forty percent, it seems to me like that would inevitably lead to the players getting still more than the fifty one percent that they're supposed to. Is that how you see it or am I missing something? That's absolutely at so what you have to do is is really do good projections on where you think the revenue going to be in probably. In a enough of a pad so that you think you know whatever with the ninety percent confidence interval that the revenues really gonNa fall within that interval, and set the grow accordingly, it may be a lot higher than twenty percent twenty five percent just to cover it because you're absolutely right. If they set the re, they don't set the the escrow percentage high enough to fund that loss, and then they keep the. The captured is so the contracts add up to a much higher amount and revenue comes in lower than what they were projecting. Then the owners are going to eat now. There's some stuff about the players making it up in the next year, but again all those rules are out the window in this new situation where they have to negotiate it, but under normal circumstances. It's not a good idea for to for the. Revenue not to be nearly enough to fund that that that very incident in the end in the revenues. Yet because I mean so to me..

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"larry coon" Discussed on Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

06:58 min | 1 year ago

"larry coon" Discussed on Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

"So before we get into the restart. I wanted to have the cap father on Larry. Koon because there are a ton of really interesting issues now. We had him on back in March, but now it's really becoming clearer that fans are a dubious proposition for next season, and so we want to talk a little bit about what next season is going to look like he knows. Knows more about the CBA than anybody and he's also the headmaster at sportscaster. We're talk a little bit about that as well and what they're doing this year which I will be a part of of course in a virtual sports business classroom since we can't do it in person this year, but it's going to be a really worthwhile. We'll talk about that in a moment, but. Have I- prevaricated enough here now, Larry. Introduce you? Go ahead, go for the introduction. I thought I thought I did already but Prevarication. Would even doing this whole time by the way you for the last like working from home that house up in for you. Yes, so it turns out I have a day job and my day job a lot tougher when I'm not actually at the day job, so you know my job is I'm an IT director with a University of California Irvine we. Had Do basically relocate the entire campus to remote, and that not only means setting people up with you. Know All instruction happening remotely. All lab work that research work that couldn't take place in person had to be put on hold, and then for us. Send Simon it. It's a matter of getting all of our ourselves. In all of our staffs got transformed, and now every meetings got to happen over zoom rather than just be walking by somebody. And saying hey, where's that thing I asked for so it? It really is tougher to run this thing when everybody's remote and. Taken Ninety percent of my time now the good thing the flip side of that coin is that with with all this happening I didn't have to. At the same time. There's all this was going on plan for an SBC in Vegas. which as you know planning for? That starts in December and were working pretty steady all the way leading up to June in taking care of everything that has to happen in order to. To get an in person at sports. Mrs Classroom running. We just had to put on hold because we had no idea what was going to happen. If if the League was going to restart if there was gonNA, be a summer league if we were GONNA be able to hold SBC turns out. There is not going to be a summer league. At least not when scheduled and you know the league is just restarting so. And we're not even close to being ready to to open up in that kind of environment bringing everybody together, so we made the decision fairly recently because we're still on hold for a while that we can still do as it's gotTa be a virtual conference, so now were rushing to get that all put put together. Everybody registered for that but I'm looking at that being tremendous event. Yeah, absolutely, we'll talk more about that are excited to be involved once more here, but I want to talk now. About what the NBA season. The twenty twenty one season is going to look like here and one thing that's been in the news that I wanted to. To Talk to you about is how they're really going to calculate the revenue, and there are a number of of different components to that, but there's two that really stood out to me. One is if any of these teams get payments from insurance due to business interruption. It's unclear whether that's going to happen at the rockets. The first team that we know of to actually sued their insurance company for not paying that if they do get insurance payout, would that affect basketball related income if they're getting something to replace basketball related income from an insurance company? Is that something that the players should be getting part of Yeah I? Don't think that. That's in there, but I would think so I. think that this substitutes for income right so this is some of the of what they considered revenue, and they agreed that up and down they're entitled to fifty percent of the revenue thereabouts now. Is there an argument that no? This is not basketball related income, because it's insurance payoff, but it's an insurance payoff specifically to cover a loss of that income so I think that this is something that they would come to an agreement on pretty quickly and I don't think that that that's something that there's GonNa be a lot of controversy about even if it's not actually covered in the agreement. Agreement today you make a great point because for business interruption. What you're really doing to prove your damages there is you're saying well. Here's the income that I would have made so pay me to make up the thinking for me now, if something like insurance payout where you know, there was like a fire at the arena or something, and they had to rebuild part of the arena with insurance money. That's a different category, but this specifically to replace business income. That is something where you I. Think it would be subject to that. Be are I split as well the second question I had is. We don't have any public information on this, but. There's an article that in I think he was in May. That something like forty two percent of all business owners did not pay their rent in May, and just due to not being open, and I would imagine that NBA teams would be trying to at least get rent reductions or just straight up, not paying because they don't have the income, and is that something that would become a factor in collective bargaining. NBA teams are not paying the rent and therefore have way lower expense i. don't think so just off the top of my head. I think that it's understood that the League is paying extent, expenses and upper down. The players are getting their forty nine to fifty one percent of the revenues they're they're split is just on the revenues, not based on the expenses that the League is assumed to pay so if in a normal year the lease expenses go down or up while they're net is going to be higher or lower as a result so I you. You made a good point that the league can't have it both ways. They can't. say that the income from. From insurance is qualifies as for the purpose of getting the income, but then they say no. It's not income for the purposes of sharing with players. The same thing goes here. You can't see that the revenue. The expenses are expenses for the purpose of you know of of their benefit, but not an expense in in terms of what they represented the players. Yeah, and I think even if it's not part of the revenue at a minimum of like Oh, we can't survive. You guys have to take a haircut blah blah. You know something that I'd be very interested in knowing the answer to as the players association so I I. Don't think anybody's going to be. Making a ton of money next year I..

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"larry coon" Discussed on Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

05:48 min | 1 year ago

"larry coon" Discussed on Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

"Oh Man You know I've it's. It's not a well kept secret that I grew up as a Lakers fan so I grew up with the Magic Karim Worthy teams and so I get came five nineteen eighty-six Rob Sampson's shot. Is Zoe going here? Yeah I still have a vivid burned in memory of Michael Cooper lying on the floor in disbelief on that one. Okay Yeah what. Is there a happier times nate? Well we got listeners in Houston too. You know it's but it was always the Lakers Celtics revelry back then so there's any number of games you can point to you back then that were just great memories not win or lose right. Just great memories for that rivalry but you know games like the the magic baby skyhook game things like that are are things that are certainly some of the most memorable I had also had the pleasure of watching Kobe. a lot of his career live you know sitting baseline in the media seats. And there's there were plenty of those games that were really memorable. His last game His I wasn't there for the eighty one point game but I was there for a lot of the sixty point games. I was there for a lot of those clutch games like the that one last second shot against the Miami Heat so you know some of those games would also qualify that list favorite player to watch. I mean I grew up as a magic Johnson Fan and he would still qualify as my all time favorite player to watch now this year. It's I don't know that I have a favorite I. Just I love watching Steph. I love watching on us. I I love watching. I love watching all the great players today. With the Games evolved. Yeah I mean magic L. STILL. There's a youtube video. There's like it's two parts. Each one is like fifteen minutes of just like all of his best passes. It's called like Magic Johnson passing highlights. I don't know who put it but he had he's got like you know Games from. Nineteen eighty-three against the nuggets in the regular season on their legs is the amount of work. That must've taken was incredible but that that is an awesome video. I watched that like maybe once or twice a year just to remind myself but how ridiculous it was seeing the games were a he dives on the floor for a ball and then passes it a bounce pass between somebody's legs. Kurt rambis under the basket. Who how the hell did he see him there? Let alone grab a ball and get a pass across Or even like his first game back You know after. He had missed the time with his HIV diagnosis. He came back yet game against the warriors his first game playing in all that time he comes back power forward. He's bigger and he still did this. Fake out of Latrell Sprewell. I think Latrell still wondering what happened. This steph fake the fake shovel pass of the corner on the layup yet exactly or just diving out of bounce and then the two hand directly behind the Pine See. I shouldn't yeah those. It was good that you actually gave me like a little Throwback to SBC when Wherever I'm hanging out with you there that that sound from your phone ringing is happening like every thirty seconds. So it really. It really brought back memories for me. They're here ringer excellent. Hopefully it's a happy sound for eight. Well so you. Did you play a lot of basketball back than just grew up a Laker Fan? You must have had an a real interested in like actual basketball before you. Just turn into a total. Cba nerd right. You know unlike you not as a player though I never. I never played basketball in school. I mean now. I like to joke that. I've Cuban respect for the sport to denigrate it by touching basketball but I yeah I mean. My Dad was a Lakers fan. It was sort of the background of my life I like to say that I learned the game. Listening to chick hearn. Because I would listen to chick hearn all the time every week and it was just a spectator. I mean I was a cyclist. I was more of a different kind of team sport. But that's what I did. I was never really a basketball player at all. Yeah no you being a cyclist just like Meshes. Really well with your personality. 'cause you're you're just like Indus indefatigable you never sleep like you and Danny never sleep but you guys you guys just get like fifty percent more worked on that. I do because I actually need like my real eight hours of sleep at all. Times and Yeah you you just like you have the ability to power through self it. It makes a Lotta sense that you're like a big cyclist of all right. I think I think that's all we got here but Hopefully keep us posted on. Sbc with what happens. It will be looking for that and We'll have you on One next year salary CAP is set at fifty seven million dollars to to We could discuss why it was that we were so wrong. Yeah once we know what happens. Let's let's keep talking about this. Yeah all right. Thanks my pleasure nate..

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"larry coon" Discussed on Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

12:54 min | 1 year ago

"larry coon" Discussed on Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

"Don't forget that /capspace you're all let them know that you came from US so a couple other smaller issues that you pointed out. We talked before the show In theory and BA contracts only run through June thirtieth Although that's really probably the easiest thing to fix right that's just whenever the season ends. That's when we're going to say that these contracts I I don't yeah. That's that's an issue but I just see them. Changing the turnover. The salary cap year that point. Yeah well and John pointed out in his piece that the coaches and support staff and executives. They don't have really a union that it's not collectively bargained for them to collectively change all this at once. You know maybe the commissioner can just decree that these contracts could go on but there isn't necessarily a mechanism for everyone to agree on this. You kind of individually every person would have to agree and you know maybe they would But that's a could be an interesting impediment here. Yeah I could see Some contracts being drawn up. That just says we're modifying the terms of our agreement to change the date to this and and rapid docu sign and everything but yeah it could be it could be. I mean if you're if you're Mike Dan Tony and you ought to long term contract with Houston that they haven't given you. Oh Yeah and let's say you're just like a this is what my contract ends. You GotTa pay me this much and you. Armenia coach their rest of the season How `Bout You? GimMe out for your deal. That's certainly something that somebody could do in a Dantonio situation is exactly the sort of thing that is a prime candidate for that. Yeah now I would imagine that there's GonNa be again as you're talking about more of a spirit of collectivism than that that there would be. There'd be an outcry for coaches. Who wanted to do that when it would just seem like almost un-american maybe even to be warm and a profit off of this now as opposed to phases because like those ultimately that staff is hopefully not to be prejudiced right. I mean they're they're not able to work that much right now. They'RE GONNA. They'll be a new season where they can get new jobs and and hopefully things would change that much for them to where it would be too much of a sacrifice just extend their contracts and and also I think maybe even get to the point to where if you did that and you really tried to put teams feet to the fires that you would You just it would not help you reputation for getting jobs in the League. So that's something to consider. I'm hopeful that that won't be a major impediment to getting business going Another thing that brought David Thorpe. But I think it's worth discussing is Let's say Euro League. I mean you would think that would also WANNA finish their Thursdays and gets cancelled now. Teams could just sign your league players in August or something when things restart to join up. What do you think of that prospect? I mean is it possible share because teams in the NBA teams consign players up through the last game of the regular season. So if there's somebody author who suddenly available that's GonNa help you and you can sign them. You could be you could be signing players. Yeah I to me if I were and I think this moratorium as has maybe offers this that they may go in this direction but to me. I think my goal is the league and the players would be. Let's bring it back as close as possible to where we were at the at the time of the highest. And maybe you'd say why if someone has a season ending injury that happens between the the beginning of the hiatus and when they restart than okay. Maybe you can replace that player so someone gets injured during a truncated five game regular season before the plows than you can replace them. But I think my thought would be. Let's just try and preserve it as much as possible? Let's try to keep the character of the nineteen twenty season as much as possible going into a potential playoffs. Sure and everybody could be saying that. But as Tommy Sheppard likes to say it just takes one. You know one one person who says no? I don't WanNa play by those rules. Yeah one one blank. Yes just takes just takes one black to to do that. Yeah well I think maybe just the negotiation between the Players Association and the end the NBA but might like account for that. And say no like you. You'RE NOT GONNA just go sign up a bunch of new players here For the end of the season he asked. That's it's certainly that would be my hope at least if it happens. Then that's the least of their worries. You hope that we're going to be in a situation where they're able to play games again this year and we have to worry about them. Sanding an extra player for the playoffs. I will do you WanNa do a just totally pie in the sky a prediction here which we can maybe periodically update as as this goes on but urged to just take a guess at it. I'll do it too. What do you think the salary cap is for next year? I think that are are we on the premise that they're going to hold a full season next year as close as practicable. I mean my guess I mean my educated or I'm sorry let me try get my my uneducated guests would be starting up no fans July August September or something like that leading to a somewhat truncated playoffs and then leading into next year with next year's regular season maybe starting in December at some point that would be my guess as to what ends up happening but again I might WanNa consultant epidemiologist on that when I make a prediction. Well I mean just just so. We can base some sort of premise right. Let let's just say that we hold something close to an eighty two game season next year whenever it starts right if that happens. I think that they would say that. There will be a drop in revenue but not a disastrous drop and then they will prop up the CAP. Let's say one ten. Yeah I I think that. Just the anchoring and especially the fact they kind of do that in the twenty eleven lockout to to just have it be the exact same as it was for for. Who did they do that? The at the first year. Yes Yeah Y- just have it be the exact same. As last year that anchoring and just his provides a natural point to negotiate and settle on and be like all right. You know if it's just the same as last year that's no big deal right. Yeah well I mean it wasn't like twenty eleven wasn't the same as twenty ten. Twenty twelve is the same as twenty eleven because the the that's where they set the floor which is the twenty eleven but they negotiated the two thousand eleven cap and I think would do the same thing again. Yeah that's that seems like it would make a lot of sense Yeah and that could probably would put a brake on spending compared to I mean one. Fifteen was the league's last estimate and there is in theory going to be an increase again in the national. Tv deal which is baked in probably a lot of local TV deals. Also have that baked in but there with the loss of revenue from tickets and whatnot at or potentially fewer games than you could see a drop effort and it's not a huge free agent year especially when you consider like we were just saying that a lot of players with options are going to opt in. I mean I would see just to pick the probably the prime free agent. Anthony Davis which is say. Screw it. I'M GONNA OPT in all deal with free agency when it's back to normal. Yeah that's true. I mean I guess especially if you're projecting Danny has talked about this some if you're projecting you go from one. Oh nine next year. So that's going to hold down spending an end the the key the tax would be lower as well so it's going to hold down spending for next year and then it's back to normal in twenty twenty one. Anthony Davis might not WANNA sign that five year. Deal with the Lakers. That only has eight percent raises off of a relatively lower number. If you're going to bump up to one twenty three or something in the summer of twenty twenty one and you could start at a much higher number here that that's a good point exactly although it doesn't seem like there's not that many just like no brainer. Mac skies in next year's free agent class as we talked about a lot I anything else. That's on your mind about since this since this all started. Well there's a lot of ancillary events around the league and of course the the primary concern is the NBA season itself. But there's also everything. This graph related right of the combine the draft itself Summer League even the Olympics right. What are they going to do with the Olympics this year and again if the NBA season is played it a different three different dates this year. Those two could conceivably impact each other. In addition to the fact that you're bringing all these people from all over the world together at a point where there's just been a pandemic so. I think we're GONNA see a lot of things that are just GonNa be weird for the next year and I don't know that we're going to have life as usual for anything including the Olympics. Yeah the Olympics would seem like a pretty good candidate to get postponed because it's like okay flew in for the Olympics on Iron Quarantine for fourteen days amount of corn team. The Olympics just ended. Actually don't you just head on back? Yeah well so And I'd be remiss. Of course I don't ask you as the the headmaster show. Shall we say a sports business class? A lot of listeners are always interested in that we've had a lot of listeners who come in and take it every year a lot of alums who are gonNA come back but With Summer League I in question. I'm sure a lot of people are wondering what this means for. Sports was in this classroom. We're just watching everything and as soon as we know we'll let everybody know at this point. It's not off at this point. It's not on We're just standing back and letting events transpire once we know because we're part and parcel with the Summer League So once we know what's Summer League is GonNa look like this year that they're going to have it When they're GONNA have it? We'll figure out what we're GONNA do sports business classroom so at this point were continuing to accept registrations were not going out and actively promoting. We're not We're not continue to collect payments And once things resolve themselves will kind of get back to figuring out what we're going to do with the program Should people still apply if they're interested? I mean absolutely because at this point number one. It's not gonNA hurt hurt you. We're not we're not going to be charging the the The tuition unless we know that we're going to be having a sports business classroom but if we decide. Hey we're GONNA do this in the alternative and the people who registered are going to get a break of some type then you know maybe it's distance learning or something like that then it behooves you to be on our roster when that happens yeah or at a minimum you get your application and for next year in a in a worst case scenario end but hopefully it doesn't come to that exactly so I forsee doing something to take care of the people in any event who were registered for the program this year and by virtuous circumstances couldn't there was no program this year. If it comes to that so I I would say if you're if you're thinking about it you wanna get your get your application and go for. We'll certainly accept it And I'll review it and then if we have a program you certainly be in all right. I've been asking the people that I've podcast with since This whole thing started some of their memories of Happier Times so Rapid fire it for you. 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"larry coon" Discussed on Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

10:46 min | 1 year ago

"larry coon" Discussed on Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

"Cap space for forty percent off a yearly subscription to the athletic. Don't get that /capspace. You're all to let them know that you came from us. So in that second scenario that that you talked about if if it were to get contentious. It's a little bit different than I mean. Obviously there isn't nearly as much contentiousness as of now as compared to say a lockout situation but the fact that this occurred three quarters of the way through the season is the timing of it is different than if you're right at the start of the year because the way things are spaced out the players earn their money based on the regular season so the players have kind of earned essentially three quarters. There might have gotten paid it necessarily but contractually they are owed three fourths of the season worthy pay already and the owners. Haven't they make a lot more of their money during the playoffs when the players actually aren't getting paid that much or in some cases are aren't earning that much? I should say to to be precise. So is a little bit of a different negotiating here where the players to some respect if the owners are going to say well hey you know you gotta take this haircut with us and the players already gotten paid their money and the owners haven't made the revenue yet To that would then account for the revenue that's going to pay those salaries that's a little bit different of negotiating situation than we've seen before where the players were would be. The ones hurt more by missing games early in the season relative to the owners. Yeah and I would have to think that they take a more holistic approach to that where they say overall this is what's happening to the revenue and I don't think they get down to the number of games that they played because they they all know that Finals game is worth way more than a regular season game in December. Yeah so they're not playing not playing those games. I mean I could see. We'll let's say comes out of this layer right. Let's say the players of already made three quarters of the season this year and so the players say. Hey you know like. We don't really more money when we have a finals. You're talking about restarting the nineteen twenty season in September. And then we have to trunk eight the next season and then everyone is going to lose money on the next season because there aren't as many games so for the players financially. I mean at least just as it stands now it would seem to me. It might almost be better for them to just play a full season next year and not play a playoffs when they're not technically earning any money. Now I think hopefully everyone will come to the agreement that no it's important to have the playoffs and the players want to actually play in the playoffs and have a champion and and all that stuff. That's why they play the game but that is an interesting dynamic. GotTa do you think there's anything to that or or am I just going too far out in the weeds here? No I think that could very well be one of the things that they strive for. Let's let's do what we can. With this season. The mitigate the losses as much as we can without affecting next season that especially if it looks like you know let's say a vaccine gets exhilarated. It looks like things may be OK. Starting in December might be the latest that they could play a full season. There's a lot of things that are possible. But I think limiting the damage to one-season might be one of those criteria Yeah so while so you think that would be make it more likely that they would kinda that could be very truncated or even cancelled than maybe because I mean for me it just from an entertainment standpoint. I would say finish this season out. You want to shave twenty five games off the regular season next year. I don't really care about that. And they have a playoffs next year. But you think that's less likely to happen because of what we're talking about here. I think that one thing that they might try to do is abbreviate. The regular season in order to preserve more complete playoffs. Yeah Yeah and that the players would be on board with that. I mean I. I hope that they would be But yeah you'd have to figure out the revenue because there is just this weird situation where the players earn all their money in the regular season and the owners earn more of their money relatively in the playoffs. Even if it all comes from the same revenue and it's all supposed to go into the same pie that's just what the contracts are. Based on regular seasons games games played. Yeah although I might take issue with your use of the word earned there because you know they're contractors. This is for services provided for an entire season and that includes the Latte late-season that includes the playoffs. If you're playing in them so they got paid the the vast majority of their money. In some cases you don't players get paid in advance even You know starting November Fifteenth. And every other week. They're they're getting their paychecks but it gets earned by virtue of everything they're doing for the year. Yeah I I think that's a fair point too. I've always kind of felt it was weird. That players didn't get paid during the playoffs. Necessarily but I guess if you're not making the playoffs it's hard to have that happen right. So what are some smaller issues here for next year? What what is popular are the rest of this year and next year. I mean I think the most interesting thing is just you know whereas the captain reset whereas the tax can be set How do you see those? Those issues being affected here well like. I said we already covered cap tax. I think that they will agree to prop it up to a certain value. Then that will be what they use but for the remainder of this season. There's there's still a lot of variables such as What happens with luxury tax With revenue going beyond some teams are kind of depending on that money now this year. Fortunately there's probably wasn't gonNA be a lot of much tax money being split up among the non-tax pain teams. But you still have that. What happens if you have incentives that are based on the number of games played or things like that a lot of players could be losing out on incentive money and that will change the likelihood or unlikelihood and therefore the cap things for next year You know that sort of thing could happen. There could be Like we already talked about a big escrow shortfall by the letter of the law if there's a big shortfall like that the there's mechanisms in place to bring the cap down next year Just kind of slam on the brakes of something bad happens that they may not want to trigger so they'll they might negotiate that out. Forget can you explain what that mechanism would be? So what happens is that the cap is like sitting the cap is like aiming a cannon you shoot the Canon if you shoot short you a little bit higher for the next shot if you shot long you able to bit lower for the next shot That's what happens with the CAP on a year-by-year basis if it ends up because the CAP is supposed to help set the players aggregate salaries to the right amount So that when they get to the end of the year they're going to be pretty close so if the players got paid too much in the previous year they're going to put on the brakes a little bit and after the the apply the regular formula. They're gonNA lower it a little bit now. This is based on like find adjustments typically out with a lower. It's just a little bit or if they got paid they're going to raise it a little bit again. Aim Higher but with something like this where All Hell breaks loose then. I think that they're going to say that. That particular formula doesn't really apply here. We're just going to be ignored it. And we're going to agree to specific amounts to US otherwise that's just. GonNa Mess Up. Yeah and it doesn't seem like it would be productive to say. Oh yeah well now. The SALARY CAPS CAN BE NINETY. Five million dollars sex here and the luxury tax every team is going to be the luxury especially when you look at the reality that probably only about five six teams. We're going to have cap space this year and so this is going to be a pretty salary. Cap impacted your already and so putting every single team in the luxury tax for next year like that. That doesn't do anyone any good. I don't think right right and if this is probably going to happen anyways this is going to change a lot of players decisions on what to do with their options if they have them this year. Oh Yeah No. It seems like that's true And he I wa. I mean that's just how many players preferences will be changed. Just 'cause like discharge. They just WanNa be close to home with family. They would like to begin to even think about the effects that this is going to have. On just people's personal preferences. Floyd came to begin to to calculate it really Yeah there's nothing has happened in the past. That's going to be a good guide for what's going to happen here. This is unchartered territory. Yeah I mean I was talking with John. About D. Ninety nine lock or the the twenty eleven lockout and how they were able to go from like December eighth and starting off season and be ready to play on December twenty fifth. And so. That's that's maybe a guide of how quickly they could restart next season. And what kind of a gap there were need to be between the the the two seasons as well Yeah well another nice thing about that. I think a good example from another perspective. It's that they were once. They came to an agreement and said all right. We're throwing open the doors we are. We're working on the CBA. Here's the terms you're not going to get the actual text in your hands for a while. There's were writing quickly so this probably GonNa be mistakes that we're going to have to go back and fix you guys can throw up your doors right away. You can start signing players even before we have all these rules down. There was a lot of good faith there. There was okay. We're GONNA make some mistakes. We'll deal with it will fix things and we'll get the season started so I think that is A spirit that was going to have to happen again this time so your bed is more important than ever these days especially having comfortable one and I am currently sleeping on the most comfortable bed that I ever owned because it was made for me by Helix Sleep. I sleep on my back..

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"larry coon" Discussed on Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

13:09 min | 1 year ago

"larry coon" Discussed on Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

"Four hymns dot com slash cap space. So let's talk about just some of the big issues that you're a as you knew knows the CBA better you know all of these obscure provision that. Nobody ever looks at better than anyone else. What are the main aspects and issues? That have come to mind here for you right now. While it's I don't think we need to go that far beyond the elephant in the room. Which is the revenue the money. Yeah because if we're missing a number of games and and the money is skewed toward the end of the season right at the beginning of the season the national TV games half inch happened started Being shown yet. Christmas is obviously the big starting day for that and it's obviously skewed toward the playoffs. So we're losing the meat of the season. And that's you know we're losing all the the gate revenue for that and if we're missing. Tv Games were missing the TV revenue for that. So this is GonNa be a huge hit on the league. How big of a hit sorta depends on what the completion SCENARIOS FOR THE SEASON TO BE CANCELLED ENTIRELY WITH US? Going to be the biggest financial hit. Do they hold the Games without fans while that's GonNa make up of the TV revenue but that's GONNA be a big loss there. Do we spread it out over a longer period of time and still hold it while logistically even if that happens they're still going to be a big loss from everything. Is there some hybrid scenario? Were they do? I don't know a eight abbreviated regular season and playoffs or something in the middle there. Whatever happens there's GonNa be a big financial hit and the League is based around the players and the League sharing the finances and they only know how much they made or how much in this year. How much they did make in arrears figure that out the League audit at the end but contracts are all signed in advance. And that's the whole point of the salary cap and the escrow system to give them some margin for error to find unit but The escrow system is not gonNA make up for a huge drop in revenues. Like that so right now. We're we're looking at the players by virtue of their contracts Maybe getting way more money than they're the. Cba says that they're entitled to and the League has a couple of of of. Let's let's just nail that down for a second here so the escrow system is basically and you can clarify in this. I'M GONNA try say this distinctly as I can. Ten percent of the players salaries are held back in the escrow system essentially and if it turns out that under the CBA the players were getting too much money. The mechanism is while the owners just ended up keeping that ten percent Instead of going to the players but if in the some of the scenarios we're talking about that ten percent would even if the players get that taken away that still leads the players getting quote unquote too much money they would get a much higher percentage of Bri than the fifty one percent. Maximum that they're supposed to because they've already been paid a bunch of money already and they have the salaries that the owners have to pay out and then the revenues just not going to be there so so. That's that's a scenario that you're talking about here now. Is that a good way summarizing it. Yeah that's basically end. There's a little bit of cushion there. There's a supplemental benefits pool. That's one percent of that. They can take some of the extra money out but at third comes. Appoint where you can't take Hannity Moore and the the players ended up getting too much now. There are also provisions in the that. Help address this. This is what would be considered a force. Missouri event essentially inactive got something completely unforeseeable. That's prevents them from holding games and an ALP. Roy outbreak like this is considered to be one of those things that qualify as a force measure of it. When that happens and games aren't played then for the Games that aren't played the lead does and it doesn't say have the option to says they shall withhold A fraction of their salary for each game. And it's one over ninety two point six sort of. I'm not sure how they came up with the math on that one. But it's basically I guess what they figure would be the portion of the season plus the amount of playoff games. The typical team would play So the the players would not even be entitled to that portion of their signed contracts because of this at but is that enough to make up for what we're losing here. I don't know because so the the force measure is that is that something that automatically happens or does the League have to like has the discretion to either make that happen or not that it says that it shall happen so I'll go but None of that matters. You can always negotiate everything here right. Well not only that. They also have to negotiate a situation like this because a force miss. Your event might be a situation where okay there's a tornado in some games just couldn't be held and we lost ten games out of the schedule. This is way bigger than that. So this trips the revenue decline clause in the CBA. Which and I'll just read this. It says if B R I for any salary cap easier substantially decreases from the prior salary-cap year PRI and as a result the players received more than their share asked defined by the section designated shares that fifty one percent the most that they can get he then the NBA and the Players Association shall negotiate in good faith to agree upon an adjustment to the provisions of this agreement in a manner reasonably satisfactory to the parties to address the issue. So basically what? That's as if everything comes down like it is right now they get together and figure it out so we could go by the letter of what's in the CBA but this class supersedes that which just says this was a completely unforeseen circumstance. It was huge. We gotta work together and figuring out now though in those negotiations the NBA can fall back on well. Hey if we can't agree on something then the force Missouri's what happens. Is that a good way of explaining it or is that not how I honestly don't know what would happen in that situation because the players association says could say no. That's off the table. The only thing that's on the table right now. Is that clause young after negotiate or I mean. I'm sure they can make the arguments that the fourth measure clause shouldn't apply as while I don't know how successful those would be And again I mean. We're we're talking about this could be. I mean there is going to be a revenue declined. Almost for sure you would think And it's just a question of do. How many games get cancelled as the season gay canceled? How much house the TV contract affected? Are they going to get fifty percent less revenue than they would've gotten between now and the end of the season or is it going to be more than that I would? I'd be hard pressed to see how they would get more much more than fifty percent But I'm not privy to the numbers that surly basketball related income so the thing that the Disney shares as a share of the basketball related income contains a lot of things you know dish into the TV revenue and the the the gate sales it includes Jersey sales in the malls. That people aren't shopping at for the next COUPLA months it it it includes a lot of things that are sources of revenue for the League. That are probably going to be drying up for the near term. So let's say that the revenue were to get reduced and again you. There isn't some other negotiated solution which in reality were probably going to get there. But I think it's important to frame these negotiations in well. What would happen if we don't reach an agreement and so Your argument was. Hey maybe there should be nothing. We just have to negotiate a new agreement. There is no fallback here. But let's say there. Is this revenue decline. How would next year salary cap be affected in the absence of an agreement to the contrary will the interesting thing? Is that the salary cap is based on projected revenues for the upcoming season. So let's say that they come up with a solution where this season is just trashed And they're just going to pick up again with next season but by the time we get there. Whatever there's a vaccine available there's enough immunity. Everything's GonNa come back. I don't know how much projected revenues for next season would be hurt. I would imagine I mean anytime. You have this big of pumping the road. I assume it would be some. But conceivably they could be they could be hauled by then and projected. Revenues wouldn't be hurt. That much in there for the salary. Cap wouldn't hurt that much. Now they're formula would have to change because what they do to figure out the projected revenues is to take the known values for the national TV money and then do a four point five percent bump on the actual 's for the previous season for everything. Else Yeah I obviously. They can't base it on that. So one of the things that they would certainly do would be to prop it up artificially and say well this formula that we're gonNA use for this. One time is going to be a better predictor of of revenues for the season than the previous season's anomalous revenues. Were and. That's what they've done. Like in the lockout seasons right they had partial seasons at sixty or sixty six game season and then they say all right for for this season. We're going to agree to this amount for the salary cap and for everything else and then next year. We're going to go back to the formula. But it can't be less than this year's value so they've artificially propping up like that and then let the formula takeover. I would imagine that they would come up with something like that. Where they're gonNa say we know that the the usual formulas not gonNA work? We're GONNA do this this year. We're going to do this next year. And then we're going to be back to something close to normal. It's interesting though you and I've talked about this a lot and again. I'll stress before I go into this of there's no indication right now that the two sides are not negotiating really well and working together we've seen There's been a moratorium on. Transactions of the sides agreed to. There's been a pause to drug testing due to some health concerns with those an inspectors as well and so it seems like the two sides of working together pretty well so far and I don't have a reason to believe that that's not GonNa Continue. Well not only that but look what happened with the previous. Cbs negotiation. Yeah this was it. They did it six months ahead of time. They they got along together very nicely now. Fifty variable for me is who's involved in the negotiation right if it's Dan Rutz from the league and run Klemperer from the players association and just those two kind of figuring it out. Okay but on the union side. Are they getting players involved? That could that's just an extra variable where you're not quite sure how they're going to come down on it Same thing with some of the owners so depending on how certain parties view what needs to happen in any negotiation if the players say no we need to make our money or or vice versa. It could get testy. Yeah I think it just depends what the climate is there to just. I mean I think everyone is just GonNa be so happy to get back to playing games are countries going to need this. Frankly I think it's it's just to imagine like the joy that I personally would feel going back into an MBA arena and knowing that it safe and getting to do my job and see all the happy people. They're cheering would just be an amazing feeling right now and I imagine that months from now when this is going to happen it'll feel even more amazing so the best case scenario right they get together and say look. This was unforeseen that's shared burden. Let's let's come up with a compromise. That's going to work for everybody. Were GONNA to share this burden in the worst case scenario it's GonNa be you know like it's the supermarket in the last big little bag of toilet papers on the shelf..

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10:35 min | 1 year ago

"larry coon" Discussed on Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

"Well it's funny. We had this pod scheduled before all this happened but as right now is expertise is needed. More than ever Larry Koon the CAP. Father is here the creator of CPA FAQ basically the man who allowed all the rest of US peons to have any kind of cap knowledge at all. How you guys holding up down. They're not. We're not as bad as we hear. You guys are up there. I hear that you guys are in a complete lockdown as of tonight I'm hunker down in my house. Were not really going anywhere here. But there hasn't really been Orange we're in Orange County and orange. County hasn't really been hit hard yet. Of course nobody wants it to get to that point and everybody wants to see in the smooth curve as much as possible yet where Until April seventh we basically will only be leaving the house for groceries and medicine. So that's That's actually my plan anyway and Also I just don't really like other people so it's hard for me Now no I mean it's GonNa be hard but we're just me and my wife in the house. You weren't a lot better situation than some people. I talked to some friends of the East Coast in there like. Do you don't understand you like you're going to. We're going to be in the house with our children alone for weeks with nowhere to go. I was like Oh man that's That doesn't sound too good. He'll know not in the least. This is really gonNA test a lot of things for us. Yes oh I wanted to just talk about now. We've had since Wednesday. I think we seriously begin thinking about. I mean it's amazing to think that it was maybe eight days ago that even appeared possible that there could be some kind of a shutdown that things could could be affected here who with the NBA. Now we're on this hiatus we don't know along it's GonNa last and so I wanted to just go through a roadmap here you think about this stuff more than just about every everyone that I know of. Just what some of the issues that are going to pop up Are going to be tried to take afford lengths to this and you know even try to guide even some of the The Players Association and the League through this. Because I know they're probably still all just trying to deal with the short term impact to this of you know working guys practice and I. How do we keep guys in shape and keep in touch with people and all that stuff? So yeah. This is completely uncharted territory for everybody. I was talking to one team guy over the weekend and he was saying. You know these we know these sections are in the CBA. But nobody's read them. No not twenty years right. You just know that they're there but we're not gonNA ever did this. Well this is that time. Yeah it's crazy. you I think I talked about this a little bit with John. Hollander yesterday on our pod. But you can't obviously divorces from what's happening in the world at large so you just gotTa take us through where we're at right now where where I mean not in the entire world. Obviously but like how you see this affecting things over the next like four or five months or so What some of the scenarios are the. You've been thinking about we'll share because we're not in a prevention scenario anymore. Keeping this out is not an option. That's on the table. This is hitting us it's an exponential curve which means that the every day gets worse and GM exponentially worse so I hear the doubling rate. Is what four or five days right now. So there's we just passed four thousand cases today eight thousand and four or five days than sixteen. It's going to get a lot worse. So what we're trying to do is protect healthcare. We're trying to protect protect hospitals from getting just absolutely slammed and overwhelmed the number of beds number of ICU. Beds the number of ventilators if we get to the point where this enough it'll later we're going to get into a situation like Italy where people are going to die Where they just have to pick which one of these two people it's going to get a ventilator which one isn't so smoothing the curve is is the word of the week And we all need to help practice that through social distancing the CD's see is recommending. No gatherings of more than fifty people. Obviously things are shutting down so the barrier. You are not able to go out. I'm staying at home with my family. Things around here. Restaurants are closing down everything else you know. They're they're take take out or delivery only so everybody's feeling it and so the NBA. They were fortunately the one of the first organizations to really jump on this and as soon as really go bare-chested positive they said that's it were suspending. We can't continue like this so Originally I think that they were overly optimistic in it being insane it was going to be at least a month now per woche. He saying that the League is looking at the being mid June as a best case scenario. But even then I mean it's not this is something that's out in the wild now and even if we smoothie curve if we if it starts to go down it's going to come back because the there's we haven't acquired immunity to this to this virus yet right now. Nobody has had it except for the ones that are getting the first time now. So we're all what's called a novel host now once. It comes back a second time after a lot of people have had it. It's going to get a little bit better. And of course once vaccine becomes available in mass than that's GonNa help but until then I don't know what could possibly say is a safe point for resuming normal activity So if the League is looking at at playing again. They're looking at a couple of scenarios right one is. When is it acceptable to put ten players in three rafts and any other essential personnel in sequestered away in a building to play a game Versus when is it safe to let fans in and I don't know the answer to that I think is going to take a very long time and I'm not even sure what they could do to say? It's okay just to have. The minimum number of people have a game. No I've I mean you know it's hard for me to imagine that you could do that with less than me if you're televising yet with less than maybe a hundred people and John and I talked yesterday about the idea of having everyone at one site to do it and reducing the number of traveling parties but I mean that's a question right it'd just when are you at the point where you can feel number one like the first prerequisite is everyone gets to might be involved or as close to who might be involved in terms. The traveling party gets tested and and a have a negative testing. That's step number one. But then how do you? You'd have to continue to monitor that. And how are you preventing any of those people who tested negative from acquiring the virus during this time when you're trying to play some games exactly you're you're basically talking about sequestering the entire League would have to be in one place because again like you said the travel even though the these guys flight charter. There's just too much exposure to different things. So where do you go to do something like that? Yeah you could conceivably you can have a situation. Analogous December League right we pack a couple of places in Vegas and we just do regular games all the time just to get it done but man I just. I don't see that as being Las Vegas the cleanest place on earth. I gotta be honest. That wasn't the first place that came to mind for me. Is like where you were the only reference with Mondays? I love it there exactly so but where you don't need arenas if you're if you're doing fan. Lewis Games but you do need you know maybe it's La with the Lakers practice facility and the clippers and maybe a couple of other gyms in the area that are smaller that set up TV. I mean I guess it's it's feasible but you're talking about a really extensive operation with very very small tolerance for error because if you make one mistake and something gets in it could spread everybody pretty quickly so I don't know what I mean. They're they're tolerance for risk has to be extraordinarily small right now. Which means that the Senate? The workable scenarios are basically nonexistent. And maybe we could get to a point where it. Maybe there isn't a vaccine. But at least there's palliative care where you d like elderly people can survive more or we have more respirators available or the curves been flattening out that you know people who get sick can go to the hospital and they're going to have a hospital bed or you know their antiviral. Whatever the things that people are looking at where you can still mitigate the effects of this even if there isn't a true vaccine available at and then maybe it's not as big of a deal you know I if people actually test pies we. Can we get to that point? I mean that's that's what's so scary whether it's not just the total unknown nature of this illness to me. It's been around for two months essentially that anyone could even study yet. Yeah I mean everybody keeps compared to the seasonal flu where a once it gets warmer. We're going to be better well. We don't know that this bug is gonNA respond like that and by the way when we're in our summer summer the southern hemisphere is in their winter. And it's just GonNa be a breeding ground there and it's GonNa come back again. There will be a some level of immunity just because some of the growing number of people who had it before but not nearly enough for true herd immunity where a an ending. Fashion can't proliferate so. Let's talk actually take a quick break versa and then then we can talk about some of the implications of a potential Or not potential. It's going to have long postponement or even a a.

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"larry coon" Discussed on Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

04:12 min | 2 years ago

"larry coon" Discussed on Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

"Plays a season develops the skills to become a regular NBA player. That's a success. So you wanna reward that? So I agree with you there. Yes. So I think that's an issue. Another issue that I have is when teams need to sign players during the regular season the pool for doing. So is really bad. And so you get a lot of players who are just now it's not players who. Would have been know sixteenth and seventeenth men. It's guys who be eighteen nineteenth men because all the guy the top players are already onto ways and other organizations, and so those guys now can't join another NBA team. Yeah. But that's offset by the fact that you do have that sixty seventieth that you've groomed all year. Yeah. No. I think that's helped to to some degree of. Oh, you know. There's only a limited number of games you can play in the NBA. Of course, if I had it to do over. I think I would maybe have one spot for two way contracts instead of to and kind of see how that goes. And the or maybe maybe what you could do also is if you get fifteen players on your roster than you get a second two-way slot. But if you don't have fifteen NBA contracts than you only get one to a slot. I think that's reasonable that combined with the ability to get a full MBA salary. If you've earned it us achieving Claire. This one. I think is an interesting one. I mean, it's good for us cap dorks because it used to be that the quote unquote, twenty five thirty and thirty five percent Max's were actually like, you know, twenty three point eight percent. And just because there was a weird calculation difference. It's too boring to get into. So now, they made it actually be twenty five thirty and thirty five percents. It makes it easy for us. I guess the question is just simply would you rather that the Maxell Arrese be a little bit higher or not? I like it as twenty five thirty thirty five and you're right. It was just a corker the rules that it got signed the maximums and the cap calculation were tied to the same amount. The same formula they they negotiated a higher cap, but didn't do the same thing with the MAC celery. So those two became decoupled, and they were just lower for a few years on one hand, it makes it easier for us on the other hand, you guys like you. And I lose a slight bit of value. Don't we because? Our our our understanding this was equity. Yeah. Or or my ability to Email, you and. Was equity is great last one here. I mean that one seems like, you know, I call that at nine probably for me. I just go lower just because there's not a lot of tangible benefit to it. I put it us a five just because. Okay. Nice. You did it, but who's really benefiting from it. No one. Yeah. I mean, you're you're just putting more money in the hands of the best players and less for the middle class, essentially right by doing that by bumping each of those up by you know, a million bucks a year on the maximum tracked. Okay. Last one here the season was increased from one hundred seventy to one hundred seventy seven days a shorter training camp. And a maximum of six rather than eight preseason game the longest he is in. Yes. Absolutely. Right. Fewer back to backs four and five players rest more, they're healthier. They're they're fresher. It's it's it's a, and you know, they were they were holding players out at the end of the. Here a lot more. And they've they've tightened up on that, Hugh. So the fans who pay big money to go see the players have a better chance of seeing them toward the end of the year. So I just think that's a huge improvement and the same thing with the shorter training camps in preseason the old assumptions about really players needing to work their way into shape just are no longer true. And it didn't have to be, you know, eight games. Ten percent of the season is in order to to get ready to play the actual season. I mean, I remember a couple years ago. The Lakers were playing the full aid. And we were in Anaheim. And that last game was just so tedious..

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02:52 min | 2 years ago

"larry coon" Discussed on Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

"So again, that's the outlier than forty two one nineteen th seventeen and then the cap spike, so twenty eight and then in two thousand seventeen eighteen backup to one ten. Yeah. So it does really seem like it's been consistent. All right. Well, that's a that's why we have you here. I thought that as opposed to my very foggy memories. Aren't here's? So ultimately, then the increase luxury tax give me your one to ten writing. What one is bad tennis. Great. I would call. I think that it's a net negative. So I would have to call it less than five. Let's call them a four. I mean, I think it does some of what an intense. But again, I don't like the equal protection issues that this thing causes and ultimately e-. I know what you mean, maybe a causes teams to spend less which creates Capri was which it causes free agency which causes player movement which causes higher salaries. But that's a pretty circuitous. Way to get there too. So I would I'm going to call it a five, but are even less than that. I'll call four. Yeah. Other than that cap rim thing which actually just thought of now I was going to call it a one L call it to. Okay. So you're really exit. Yeah. No, I I really don't care for it very much. But one thing though, it is a lot better than the system that the twenty eleven CB replaced and that one the tax it self wasn't guaranteed every year. So teams just had to guess that. There was going to be taxed at all. And they also had to guess where the threshold was going to end up being because the threshold wasn't determined until after the season was over. So an ups moment could have been really bad. They put in a couple of rules to help their squawks called the cliff provision where the first couple of million over the threshold you've got penalized yet, and you had to be a few million over before you felt the full effects, but still it was a bad system. All right. Here's another one. They changed the moratorium and. Strict free agent signings, you could actually sign a restricted free agent deal now during the moratorium, but the match period is only two days that in that starts at the end of the moratorium. So you're looking at really July eighth until the inflection point the match or no match decision comes for restricted free agents. The idea there was to make it a little bit easier to get a free agent offer sheet. I'll say I thought at the time it happened. I thought it was just a a meaningless sop to the players. It wasn't getting courage frigid offer sheets, and I believe in fact, it really hasn't as made no difference to me. So I I would great that when a one, well, they almost made a good rule out of it. Right. As if I I love the idea of having the restricted free agent offer sheets be available on July. I love the idea because the restricted free agents were like the bastard stepchildren free agency before right because all the unrestricted guys got shaved signed out. Now, they're just the stepchildren. Yeah. And once. They all got signed..

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Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

01:37 min | 2 years ago

"larry coon" Discussed on Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

"It's a few owner friendly again is equal protection issue. So I wouldn't even go as far as to call an owner friendly. Yeah. I wouldn't necessarily there. I mean, if you really a team that just isn't making money, and you're going to get some you want to get some taxes revision. And there's going to be more attacks regional though, interestingly enough, I think, you know, some of the larger taxes traditions were under the old system as opposed to the new one where teams like we can't go into the tax at all. I do think actually I mean because the players are guaranteed between forty nine and fifty one percent of the revenue each year. No matter how much each individual team ends up spending. So I actually think while the players might want teams to spend more. Ultimately, I don't think it matters that much. I think it's also good for the players that more teams have cap space and the free agent market is generally going to be good with the exception is when he eighteen when everybody was up against the tax. So I actually think that with fewer teams going into the tax then you've got more teams with cap space more player movement more of the market getting set for certain players more players can get paid go where they wanna go with more teams having cap space instead of just wow. Well, you know, I don't necessarily really want to be here. But nobody else can pay me. So I better just resigned here with bird rights. Instead, I actually think it's not as anti player as a lot of people would believe, well, let's back up to something. You said it with the fewer teams paying tax because I'm not sure that that's true or at least directly true just because the big caps. Bike made it much harder to be tax payer in twenty six twenty seventeen. So yeah, it was fewer in two thousand seventeen. But for a different reason..

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03:48 min | 2 years ago

"larry coon" Discussed on Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

"And I always say that if you if a player wants to stay and the team wants to keep the player, I want them to be able to sign the same deal on June thirtieth s they could sign. Fine in July after the mature or tournaments that weeks difference should make that much of a difference. I think that if if they want to make this a better rule than maybe, you know, their their point of the everything changes typically after the team season as well make it so that after the team season ends, they consign whatever deal. They would have signed as a free agent. Anyways. It also brings some more Saturday to the free agent market, right? Because you're looking at well, it's he gonna stays. He gotta leave. Everybody's waiting on some player to make a decision if they're going to do it, and you Glock the player up before regency hits take some of the excitement out. But I think that teams would appreciate it. Yeah. Taking the excitement out for me. I prefer that more players become free agents, and there'd be fewer extensions for a couple of number one. Just because it makes free agency more interesting number two, it'll lead to fewer bad contracts because you're paying the player at the time that you know. You don't have intervening time between when the extension decided when it kicks in where there's performance or injury risk or something like that. I prefer that. Generally, the players who are good get paid in the ones who aren't as good don't get paid. But who what players have benefited from this rule have benefited from the exemption like like, the newly relaxed exceptional. Yes. Name a player who signed on who extended to three year deal or who extended on the second anniversary of a four year deal yet while I mean, I think Kevin love sign for longer than he could he signed a four year extension. I think he'll end up getting more than that extension than he necessarily would have gotten as a free agent his offseason. So so that's one, but that's probably the only one so far and ill, Lou Williams, Spencer Dinwiddie, Josh Richardson, Malcolm brogden, you know, those guys especially for those guys who are coming off of like minimum three year contracts as second round picks or undress. For them to be able to extending. That's good for them to be able to get some guaranteed money quickly. You know, but the teams have probably benefited on those deals more than the players. But that's kind of how it's supposed to work. Right. If it goes, according to plan, norm Powell, maybe as benefited from getting the early so deal. The thing you mentioned was it's only you can only started a hundred twenty percents of prior salary. So that's prevented guys like Jimmy Butler Kemba Walker, Kyrie Irving from extending. I don't think that'll be as much of an issue going forward. Because generally, those types of players will have been making enough, you know, those are old CBA contracts before the cap, spike. So now generally one hundred twenty percent of what you're making the last year of your rookie extension will be enough for most guys. So I'm kind of torn I like to see more free agency. And in part of the reason the extension rules were tightened up was because teams were just killing themselves teams aren't as dumb as they used to be where they're giving like Stephen Jackson, you know, a three years thirty billion dollar extension like two years before he could become a free agent that sort of thing. So I think overall. Paul. It's good just to give teams and players more optionality inlet guys get protected, but there is a downside. I'd say maybe it's like overall whether it's good or not say, maybe like a seven that's what I had to. It's definitely a net positive for both sides. I then the only reason I wouldn't rated hires because I think they should have done better. They should have been more. So here's one which was not touchingly part of the twenty seventeen CBA, but it was kicked in twenty eleven and that's the increased luxury and repeater taxes. And the reason I'm bringing it up now is because we didn't really see the effects of it much just due to the fact that it was phased in slowly..

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Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

03:50 min | 2 years ago

"larry coon" Discussed on Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

"But and. Just overall for the league. If one is bad at ten is great. What rating would you give the the dozen player a veteran extension or exception because it was intended to promote retention and it ended up the opposite. Nobody ended up staying because of this rule and a few players ended up moving because of this role because the again when you look at the equal protection it didn't quite provide that because a big market team could afford. He used this rule more than a small market team. Can I would say it's a net negative so three or four on one to ten scale. Yeah. I'd probably put it there too. I think it's gonna lead to some bad contracts being given up. I mean, this is something that we've talked about before where a player who's in his eighth or ninth year at a given time in the NBA near you might have three four maybe five players who are worth forty million dollars a year. And a lot of those guys aren't on that third contract already. So you're gonna lead to a lot of guys really getting overpaid. I think a potentially as a result of this rule, especially guys you kind of you know, if Brad Beal's another one he makes it this year. He's not going to be a forty five million dollar a year player, very likely, you know, John wall being other these guys who are just you know, happen are Aucoin flipped to make third team on a some years getting these contracts. I think that's bad for the league. I do think it's good for the league that players who are not going to re-sign with teams that those teams are able to get something for them. And also that those players are able to get to be more relevant to the championship. Chase by getting out of places earlier, you know, the that there really is a chance now a year or even a couple years ahead of time. Maybe for some of these guys like Hawaiian AD instead of AD just playing out the string in New Orleans on a team that was compete next year. He'll be probably on a team. That's pretty good. So I would say a four though, I mean, I think rules that are designed to prevent player movement. I generally don't care for personally. Right. And what the other thing you brought up is that it allows. Team the opportunity to get something for their player. But ironically, they took the teeth out of the sign and trade which was intended to exactly that. Yeah. Those of beckon the twenty eleven CBA aren't so the regular veteran extension rules. What were the changes there where you know? It seemed like it was a real problem that for a lot of guys they really did make any sense to extend. So this is not the designated player just normal veterans extending now under the 2017 CBA a new change here. Yeah. And this kind of goes hand in hand with the fact that contracts overall or shorter, right? It used to be that a player would have to wait and a team would have to wait three years before they were eligible to San extension and a contract for at least four seasons before it was even eligible to be extended at all. Now, it allows a contract that is a three year contract to be extended and three and four year contracts can be extended after the second anniversary. So it it promotes the abyss. Early for teams to key players again, if you're trying to increase retention, the idea is you want him to be locked up before he could become a free agent and therefore become a flight risk. This helps this absolutely helps because some contracts that couldn't be extended can now be extended some contracts can now be extended sooner. But I this is a rule that I always complained about because I just didn't think it went far enough. The whole idea is that you want to be able to offer the guy market value. If you want to be able to keep him and these extension roles, and yeah, they relaxed to twenty percent raise where it used to be a twelve and a half percent race. But even a twenty percent race doesn't necessarily pay market value to a player who's coming off of a good season..

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