20 Episode results for "Lara Croft"

Little Happier: We Can Learn from the Monkey Who Wouldnt Let Go of the Bananas.

Happier with Gretchen Rubin

02:19 min | 4 months ago

Little Happier: We Can Learn from the Monkey Who Wouldnt Let Go of the Bananas.

"The new season of fortnight's here did you play for night or know anything about it. You'll know that. The story line evolves with every season. And now it's better than ever whether you're playing battle royale daily. You're hopping in for special events in party. Royal the island changes with every development that gets thrown at us and now the island has grown wild. So must you battle with wildlife and craft your weapons experience the zero crisis finale in game now and pick season six battle. Pastor run wild across primitive landscapes with lara croft teen titans raven and agent jones go to fm dot gee-gee slash season. Six to see it. All i'm gretchen rubin and this is a little happier i love a great teaching story often a short story fable parable or even a joke can make an important point in a succinct and memorable way what are the most useful teaching stories is a story i heard told about a monkey now. It turns out that there are many versions of this story attributed to various people. All around the world for instance. Sometimes it's told about a boy in hazelnuts. But here's my version of that old story. Once upon a time there was a clever monkey who was exploring an outdoor market. He spotted glass jar of bananas with a fairly narrow neck and he started to snatch the bananas while the merchants back was turned. The monkey easily slid his hand to the bottom of the chart. Grasp the bananas but with his hand gathered in a fist around them. He couldn't withdraw his hand from the jar. The only way to get free from the jar was to release the bananas and pull out his empty hand but that greedy monkey wouldn't let go and the merchant was able to trap him in a net in some versions of the story. The moral of the story is described as do not attempt too much at once. I think the moral is sometimes we need to recognize that something we desire is in good for us and we need to let it go in order to save ourselves. What do you think the moral of the story is. I'm gretchen rubin. And i hope this makes your week a little happier.

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Little Happier: Happiness Lessons from a Friend and His Messy Wife

Happier with Gretchen Rubin

05:22 min | 3 months ago

Little Happier: Happiness Lessons from a Friend and His Messy Wife

"The new season of fortnight's here. Did you play fortnite or know anything about it. You'll know that the story line evolves with every season and now it's better than ever whether you're playing battle royale daily. You're hopping in for special events in party. Royal the island changes with every development that gets thrown at us and now the island has grown wild. So must you battle with wildlife and craft your weapons experience the zero crisis finale in game now and pick up season six battle. Pastor run wild across primitive landscapes with lara croft teen titans raven and agent jones go to fm dot gee-gee slash season. Six to see it. All i'm gretchen rubin and this is a little happier a few years ago. I wrote a book called outer order. Inner calm because i was so intrigued by the degree to which outer order contributed to inner calm for most people and certainly for me. Now i've been doing strength training for years. So i've become good friends with my trainer. Mike and mike and i often talk about mutual interests like habit formation. Low carb eating and clutter clearing like me. Mike is someone who really thrives orderly organized surroundings. My sister listens calls me a happiness bully. Because i can get pretty forceful if i think. There's a way for someone to be happier so one day when mike was complaining about how messy his house was i encouraged him to tackle the clutter. You'll feel so great. I told him it Energizing free he said. I know i feel exactly the same way the thing is. I'm really neat. Like everything to be put away in its place but my wife is so messy. It drives me nuts. How does this come up. I asked what are the conflicts. I am happiness fully. Mike said for instance sitting down at the kitchen table to tackle some household administrative tasks. She wants me to do. But everything is so disorganized. I have to spend half an hour cleaning up before it can focus. And after all that i don't feel like dealing with those tests anymore. And then she gets annoyed with me. Do you like being in the thick of the action i asked. Is that why you're sitting in the kitchen now. That really doesn't matter to me. He said so. Mike said maybe you could find a place in your house like a desk or table in a corner where you could keep things very organized just the way you like it to be when you work and everyone else would agree not to disturb that area and just leave it for you as your place. Do you think they'd agree to that. He looked at me with surprise. Well i have an office. He said why. Don't you use your office. i asked because it's too messy. He said an a minute. He said those words. He became seized with a desire to clear out he was inspired by the vision of how great it would be to have it fixed up right in fact that weekend. He sent me a video to show off or dearly. He'd made his office when i saw him for my next spring training session. He couldn't wait. Tell me about everything he had done. It looks fantastic. He concluded i'm just about finished. I'm about eighty five percent of where i want to be. I had so what's left to do. He said well one thing that looks messy isn't my winter. Coat is always on the floor. I had to ask like what is your winter coat on the floor. He said because my wife is so messy and has so much stuff. The coke closet in our front hallway is full of her. Coat's so i'm supposed to hang up my upstairs in our bedroom closet. Well i said i agree. It's pretty unrealistic to think you walk all the way up to the bedroom to hang up your coat and i know your wife loves clothes and probably does need a lot of room in that hallway closet but mike suggested. Do you think that maybe a solution would be to hang a few hooks or put a coat rack in the garage. It's not as convenient as the hall closet but it would still be a lot easier to grab your code. If you were going for a walk in the neighborhood or driving somewhere. Could you do that. He looked at me with surprise. Well we have a mud room. I started to have so micr has. Why don't you use the mud room because it's too messy. He replied and he started to laugh to me. What i was gonna suggest next and the next weekend they cleaned up the mud room. What is the moral of this story is it. It's easy to blame other people instead of seeing our own role in a problem is at the only person we can change ourselves. So if we're unhappier annoyed with the situation we should always begin by asking. How might i be able to change things for the better is that sometimes it's easier for an outsider to spot a solution that we've overlooked. I think it's all of those things. And i realize that i'm lucky that my friend is so good natured about the happiness bully side of my i offer it with loves i'm gretchen. Rubin and. I hope this makes your week a little happier.

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Episode 496 - Lara Croft Tomb Raider: The Cradle of Life

We Hate Movies

1:55:25 hr | 1 year ago

Episode 496 - Lara Croft Tomb Raider: The Cradle of Life

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Thank you for tuning in as always if you're new to the program because you're a huge Lara Croft Fan, this is a comedy show where we make fun of movies just like Laura Croft Tomb Raider. The cradle of life directed. By Janda Ball in two thousand three and you may recall that we've done some other Janda Bam movies. Mainly, the haunting I think is the only one that we've done. Do we need to? But but didn't he do twister my not. Right Yep. We did twister previous episode, probably a soon to be or at some point on the wwl am feed speed. One of course demonstrate yeah. The weird thing is like at least speed speed and twister like our movies that like feel like movies. They move the breathe they how engines to them yeah. Yeah I in twister. Twister is a piece of shit at a Super Fun I'm Mo twisters something you sucked into the suck zone on TNT or something. It got welcome back to the zone on. It is an afternoon movie. I, sure it is an ASP magnet of a movie because you, you fucking acid getting off that counts joan I thought it was an ask magnet because Helen. Hunt was in it. While we're talking about previous episodes quickly. Mention that we did the first movie with Angelina Jolie called just Laura Croft Tomb. Raider and it is on our patriotic Patriot dot com slash. We hate movies. We did it in March of two thousand nineteen. Before we change the feet over to we love movies. We have retooled. The execs came in and changed everything this. They decided that we couldn't wear the sports coat anymore with you the full suit when? A bow ties lot of bow ties absolutely. Yeah, it was kind of like a you know as much as they love hearing. You talk about stuff yeah, Hey. Maybe, try talking about stuff you love will speak of a retool. That's what this movie is it is. A redo sequel. Add I what didn't work, but angel is great and we got her on contract, so let's just throw it against the wall doing again totally differently, but somehow worse now I. Mean I'll grant you that this is worse than the first one but how? I guess I'm just not remembering that first one well enough. How is it that much different from their both garbage? Like just like I. don't even think there's anything salvageable from that first one, but the first one is about her, and like she's in that house, a bunch and she's actually doing archaeology. This is just a James Bond riff. Well. Let's take out of the archaeology bit and then just have her globe-trotting shoot dudes, which you know also like her, her manned servants, one's named Hillary and the other one's played by Noah Taylor. Shit to do in that first movie and she actually had scenes with them. I mean I don't know and you know. I guess I should have really listened to the episode. We did on this first one before getting into this because I might be asking the same questions here now as I do. Remember bringing up on that first episode I never played the video games of this, but like is the UH Noah. What's his face? is his character like a thing from the game? Where like you had to check in with him on status? No, you were all on your own. In the video games on the regional ones. I can't speak to my. My wife's via plays the new ones, but again I think it's just you. It's just yeah. He take from a screenplay school just. Get the smart guy in there to reach it off if He can hack sometimes. Maybe he could fly a helicopter. You have a computer. It's the I mean it's the odds you have to have one computer guy at least every fucking time. They cut to these two idiots though like the movie. Like polls, this emergency brake and goes into. A skid like you've never seen before things like if you're going to cut to these guys and they're going to be so minimal as they are in this movie, they need to just be like comic relief. Yeah, or cut them out and just. Give just divvy those nine lines up between Gerard Butler and whomever else also by the way screenplay school is a we hit movies project TV show where we play a bunch of like a loser, screenwriters and have to go to screenplay school, but it's kind of like police academy. Yes it's police academy. Meet screenwriting billy. Madison the Hollywood judge orders us to. Ten screenplay school. Fuck do judge Hollywood. Guy Well. If you think you know so much about screenplay. How about you each right to be won by the? Toys. I've been canceled. You have twenty five pages to convince me not to throw the book at you. Yes, yes. I am liking it. And then there's like a camp across the river with like Babes that are maybe it's like there's A. It's not a coed screenplay school. There's a female screenplay long. I love that this is now the woods. Come, on of course in. The. Hollywood. Screenplay Camp I guess look. netflix's I. Don't know what to tell you. Steve will not budge about the Babes. There has to paid in the forest across the way. Actually you know how you can make this. A fucking killer slobs versus snob. Situation is other screenplay, school or I guess maybe screenplay camp whatever, but then across the river. It's all like a bunch of rich kids like writing operas and plays. Over there like Fart on them and stuff a camp tinsel lake. Okay I. Do feel like we have to stay with screenplays school to keep it in the BOOB comedy round. Screenplay camp sensible to horror. Ask you totally right. You'll never survive screenplay cab. Tell that to like ninety five percent of the kids graduating from film school. You'll write your own demise explain. Your character can change if it's dead. Screenplay Camp The Third Act will be your final. Act Screenplay Cope. All maybe do both screenplay scored camp. That's the thing is screenplay. School is such a massive hit. Asher not a sequel the very next summer and we're all going to camp. In both school and camp this scripts for both the tomb raider movies would be fucking thrown into a lake. It's they're both like I know I understand the difference like that. The C. Salah whatever his name is feel like just like little exclamation points in the middle of all this, but like they weren't great to begin with I'm going to be honest. Yeah, I like a really truly despised the scene where she's like fight practicing with one of them, and he's also like giving her cool facts while he's doing it like I cannot stand it like yeah I mean. This movie does have training. They show her training right, but so she's not a Mary Sue, but so hyper sexualize and the training scenes are fucking Corny as all get out and. They're done way better in that first movie enough. Well, we don't in this one. We don't have a mountain dew robot to fight her. Like that, that is something that we miss I, guess do the do. By the way Jon voight much like you will eventually as left inhale, or whatever the hell of the of that movie. Dad But. It's maybe a flashback. Things speaking of drag to hell the opening logos. Movie You get to the paramount logo dram. The furnace gets stupid shit. It's the end of X. to except for the paramount Mao in is below the wall. That the mutual film, company, which one is that important enough to underwater? Very much the. Bodies of the East River kind of a situation. I I I'd be happy to see the bodies the honest with you just floating like so many dead bodies is what I mean. It's just like I. Don't I'm looking at a mountain? That's underwater dumb. Can you get? It's just so stupid that they actually have to also put paramount pictures in the text of the credits underwater as well. Two frames later I'm looking at the fuck. We'd better be going to fucking Atlantis. Oh Man Tomb Raider. See that if you had the movie and it's like something something, Atlantis I dunno now kind of on board I mean. Will I non instead? We're going to Alexander. The greats like fucking temple on occasion home it's. Like it's so muddled and now I have to like. Try to grasp Greek history. Two seconds. It's like a thing where like it's not even a tomb raider, the tomb popping like you kind of just check in and checks out. Whether, as Chinese guys kind of fuck it up for everybody in that scene, she shows up like an ass. Well first of all there is the Greek or the Big Fat Greek Wedding Wichita. that. We should see this whole thing. We're told starts in Santa, Rini Grease and it's a big fat. Greek wedding that like is interrupted by like rocks falling. It's an earthquake, but like all right I didn't understand this at first because I'm like Oh, so all this whole family's dead like. Pulling I was like. Is that just how this opens and just to get like the rocks under the stupid rocks underwater visceral, what happens is the the Greek ambulance comes in sprays all the bodies Dan with windex. Understood okay. I think this scene proves that those Greek gods are a real thing because this earthquake happens right after some of the dumbest, asked wedding dancing. I've ever seen in my life. There's that scene where like the this girl goes up to the DJ and like soups, and the guys like got it, and he turns around and hits play on something and the. The absolute worst fart. Rock you've ever heard your life starts playing, and all these Greek people are like Fox yeah, but I mean I. Think you're right because I. Think what happens, is they upset? The old gods, exactly at the beginning we start, we open on the wedding in the plane like Greek mandolins or whatever that instrument is called and Balalaika. because. That's what Captain Corelli's was. That's Italy. But but and then she she everything's fine. The gods are cool, but that just like we d two thousand era, bad rock, music and dance wouldn't. Like. Fuck you, guys. It's like the crystal method with guitars. It that would really upset some gods I feel like. I I was so confused with us, because yes, all of a sudden there's an earthquake and everybody's like looks like they're about to die, and then like rocks tumble into the water, and we go underwater to get the full title of Tomb Raider fucking Lara Croft cradle of life and I thought that, was just it. That's a weird way to open your movie. Because I didn't hear quake at all in the script after this except for I had to listen very carefully and they do say at once. There's one dude that's like after Shaw. that. Also so yeah, there's these dudes out in the water all these like fishing artifacts out of the water, and they're like you know competing about like who's getting water. Whatever and she comes in on this jet ski playing Wave Race Sixty Four. Yes, what ca just get there? It was like she just asshole asleep. She's late. Guys like all. She ever going to get here. She's like sorry. Boys had to do some barrel roll. We'll give you already late to a work function. Roles. I Know No. The gods like barrel rose, you say. If you understood history better while the gods must be crazy. Wait weren't. Good movie so they're diving for what we're told the Luna Temple and Yeah Alexander the Great was like a storage shed for him or something I, don't know. It's hell, yes, got. All of his got pool supplies. Also put the orbit of enlightenment and hair to what the hell. Lizzo they go down to you. Know dive looking. They've got these like. You, know underwater. Rocket sleds that they're helping them like dive faster I. Guess is the this is around the time she starts boxing a shark. The NABET on her way. The circus set up its checkoffs shark. Wishes by that, which is like? Ooh, interesting is like Oh. Hey, how's it going? All see you later shock. Don't worry about that, you better. I got fucking contract. Fuck and fight over here. Also this is two thousand three men and I think the the sharks in the film Shark Tale more realistic than what we're looking at here. This is sub shark. NATO Shit, DUDE! It really is expected. To come out of somewhere. Bass sound more believable in sharks stale as well. Oh my God. The fact that this thing is growling in the see, it is amazing. I love it. It's a dog. It's like well it's. Can Shark indicate here anything? Bro The hotdogs at it. Everyone knows Alexander, the great used to breed dogs and sharks. And everyone knows that Alexander. The great used to throw hotdogs at animal. Oh. Yes, that's the famous dog shock. You Punchy knows and it'll take you anywhere. She wants we want to go to the with these two other guys is to honks. Greek hunks are like her friends and their flirting a little bit and she's well. You guys look at that stuff. I want to see what this orb is all about, and while that happens, these other dudes come and just murder. Those guys yeah, it was it was right away. Here's the warning signs for like when you're watching a movie. That I think was like. Filmed with the intention of being more violent than it actually got to be because both of these dudes have their throats cut. And I WANNA. See that guy's head almost fall on. You know what I mean. Yes, some real hardcore action in one of these movies. Why not there barely putting on red paint like if there's nothing at all? Oh, I didn't see any blood. It's looked. Like. Oh, my throats been cut. I would have liked. I would have preferred basket case just put a bunch of catch up on them and half that that. Yes, something. Did. You learn that screenplay school Andrew or it was actually a screenplay campus, okay? I would say actually thinking about it. I think the way this works. Is the judge sentences us to run the screenplay school for a little while? Can't counselor kind of thing? Yeah, like a Bill Murray and meatballs kind of situation. Oh Hey, guys. We have to write a horror movie, but then the fucking crimes in the script are coming true Mike. This is how. Copyright rate. Movies couple removes Robert McKee the janitor. Find screenplays people. I was trying to think of something at a camp that you could find and lose. People lose. Your he's take p takes. Swim swimtrunks. It takes a plunger to a toilet was like you've got to find the drama? Somewhere want corn corn. She's like taking pictures of this Orange Globe and studying it what and then yeah, these Chinese dudes run in and start murdering everybody and she. There's a big thing where like said the aftershock thing starts happening in the the temples like collapsing, so they're all kind of getting out of their anyone. Catch the stunt double, totally eating shit, falling on one of these fake columns know. Oh, my, God! It's like I. Don't know what. What the stunt I think it was be the dudes was like roll off. Something just hit the floor and it's a split second thing is like she's in the foreground, and this dude in the background falls off of this platform and lands on like a column, and you can see his body like crack flicking. Just kind of goes sideways and I was like well. They left that guy getting paralyzed in the final cut of. The main bad guy here is played by Simon. Yam. Who is amazing? A thousand movies in a bunch of Johnny Toe movies, which all rule and I think he was in a man. He's in at least one of the men moving. I don't know which one but yes, so they get out of there and everything, and then this is where she's like. They do a thing where they steal one of the rocket sleds, or whatever these underwater sleds, and then fuck up another one, and so they leave her in. So the idea is by the way so this out ridiculous. This is like she's so far underwater. Because of those sleds that like you can't swim out. What am I going to do? What's a attract this shark with cutting my arm open, and just like letting a bunch of blood fall out onto the water. Because, she knows you've do suck at the snooker that turns into a fucking crazy taxi now. Crazy taxi excellent. So, that also wasn't a video game thing Dan. A video game move man. The original one was very low like you like climb and occasionally shoot, and that's about it it's. Must Dooms Yup. Chris did you. When did you shoot when you when you saw that lie lifelike? That's exactly. It was a U Eric. Sorry, now I only I only played the first game and I. Really don't remember much beyond being like a leisure suit Larry meets. Indiana Jones. I. Should talk about speaking of leisure suit Larry This fucking wetsuit. They put her in man. It is oh sure it's the poster of the movie by the way in case you you, you're like. Hey, I wanna see what the new tomb raider is about. I guess she's underwater the whole time. Yeah, it's really dumb, but I will say the one thing that they. Cut Out of the poster is the constant presence of her nipples in this movie is. It's a real I mean apparently in the last movie she was wearing like breast forms to give her like larger. Larger breasts, but they took those away to make it more realistic to who she is, but then they're like. Here's the bargain. Angelina will you don't have to wear the silly shit, but you also can't. Where Bra I? Could just imagine Janda bumbling Yes, can we get more air conditioning on this lake? He's a bit more A. Yes Angelina here. We go y'all. We need to cool it down in here you. have an Ice Kube. Just put the ice packs at the water. She goes at the pool. It'll happen accidentally. Men and you know I'm looking at this poster to. First of all like she's standing still also apparently like walking on water misters, they usually do no, but like shut up. But like. The water's coming up and like it looks like she's been stamping her feet. Yeah, and then also like I don't think she ever. Has that gun in the movie itself? Is She? Stop and. There's a dude's. It's like her feet, and then right under the boots where it says Laura Croft Tomb Raider the cradle of life that's it's blocking all the credits on the bottom of the poster of blocking dudes nut sack. Stamping on one of the Greek brothers is just down there. She. She gets to the surface with the fuck shark and she's like, and then like a submarine comes out of nowhere. Operate come from and this what this is! What Noah Taylor reveals himself right Noah Taylor begins. Yeah, it's him and the other due to is. Chris Bury I think his name is yeah, I have. The note picked up by team of NERDS. And so like that's sort of like the cold open. We are then introduced to Karen Hines. As evil like bond villain in this tomb raider movie, which is just no good does not belong in this movie at all. Who is the villain of that first movie? It's like a competing arche-, archeology, team, or something. It's yeah well. It's like. It's the game of thrones actor. Though because there's all over the Trivia, yes, Giora more, mount. What was his name again? Glenn Oh, right right right right right lane. I'm not well so I can't say that right, but I recently in Glen just I would just say. Here's a rule of thumb. If you can't. You don't know what to pronounce, it's man's radar for this guy in this movie and Giora More Mount for the other guy in the red. I'll tell you I did some crowd sourcing because whatever movie we did. This dude was in also like people were fucking losing their minds about us. Mispronouncing this guy's name, so I took to twitter and I was like Hey Irish people. How do you say this guy's name and the consensus more or less? Is that because he's a dude from Northern Ireland in the north, they pronounce it. Karen and someone thankfully shared a youtube. Youtube video of him, saying his own name, he says Karen were saying cure, and if you say it another way I, don't give a fuck is that's others? Guy Says his name, my favorite thing about curing hinds. This little speech here is that they refused to make up fake names for things so like instead of like saying like the Bat, shit, play or something like that. It's like where we have used improved typhoid. ENHANCED CHOLERA ACCELERATED E Bola. Bola. Yes, so he's on this. The Abol of by the way the batch had plagued would be Guangzhou. Right a source of nitrate. I. Don't need the remember that long time Herbie's. Everything's heightened extra-long surge gonorrhea. I mean it's funny that I mean the funny, but like this. There's a super virus plot in. Timeline for when we're recording this, but in this movie. Karen HINES HAS A. Anti which we don't quite have not just yet here now. Here's my question, though about all these fucking people, so the whole thing is, he's given some dumb speech, and then he calls out this one guy for being a traitor and murders him at. It's like you know makes them take a sip of something dudes. Insides turned to jelly, and this is where he says accelerated Ebola. Then he passes around this anti Serum Pill for all of his buddies on the plane and he's like by the way you're also getting a hundred million dollars, and then like you never see these people again. What he? He's charging them one hundred million dollars for the virus. Only. Even still you never see them and you ever hear about them again. It doesn't matter, but it just right now. Because that's the other thing is like he's doing this whole spiel about this virus, but like. The whole movie's him trying to get this Pandora's box to make a different weapon, but the Pandora's box also has a plague with you. Get all the features you get all. This apocalypse space. Pandora's bar get all the features. It's a subscription service MODEL, possibly virus every month or like it's a bevy of virus. You WanNa keep it updated like Disney plus getting Hamilton. The box once a month, so nice cove. Oh, what else is in their? Own. Pizza. Big Time Timer. Herpes Sunglasses on. But then what they do is they decide to release like a boutique strain of stuff, too, so it's like you know a little more Nizhny, little more sexy, and you know tiny cancer. Lil AIDS yeah. Of course at large Drowsy I. Do love this Guy Eating Shit on this plane. Vomiting blood like and that's the weird thing is. The momentum must be some sort of MPA rule about slitting someone's throat versus them vomiting blood right like if blood comes out of their mouth like it's supposed to. That's fine, but out of their throat. You don't have any blood holes in your throat. Blood says the MPA. These dying, wish dude! What's that is Jack Valenti's dying wish Oh, I, see! So. Yeah, he goes to Hong Kong with these people, and then he's like by the way. Get me that orb. That I was ordering. So you realize you you sort of fill in the blanks here that like the The Chinese dude, working for this guy, they were stealing the or before him, but then they say something about like Oh like the heat was too much right now, so we didn't bring the orb and he's like. Hey, man, do me a favor. I'm villain here. Go get my fucking or right now. I don't care what the is like. My favorite thing about the ORB is it looks like as a bunch of fuzzy dice inside. You know what this looks like to me I used to have these little balls that you'd put like you know my little childhood. Hamster in you know, and then he could like run around the house and it looks like a little hamster toy. Put a rodent in this prop of dragon fruit, also a little bit you can see. It looks like a Dragon Ball, a little bit of why I. If anyone's a savvy as we say here, are we moving that a DB's z. a DB Zia Dragon Ball. Dragon Ball, it would be better if this movie looked like a fucking earth orbit, as we look like fucking like Pokemon Ball, though instead this little, red and black thing or read in white thing may have Simon Yam or engine Angelina Jolie like touched the ORB and like electricity shoots out everywhere, and their era goes all crazy. Yeah, I'm more interested in this. Where we get so conciliatory. She might as well do a fuck in like a super punch with the super saying fucking kick in the air. I mean this or would be cool. was anything besides being a map? It's just your Goffin to lead us to the fucking Pandora's box of the. Town! Hey glows different colors, Eric. It's very. It's very nice. It was the world's first home entertainment system as well. We'll find out. What. You. Know what? I'm not even GONNA. Get riled up until I need to. Go back to Lara's bullshit, Mansion Kroft Mana. There you know what here's the thing I know you. she hates Jon, voight. Everybody hates Jon voight the what you need to do. Is You open on craft manner at UC, his grave. Kind of fun right, and they gets up from pissing on it it. Would have to be thing though where it's just like a memorial. Right? 'cause he's like presumed lost somewhere. Some Shit I think he's in the fucking wherever whatever they get in. That lasts movie. He's like all up in it. Is he in the space between spaces by sort? Yeah, yeah, wherever terence stamp is at the end of the fuck. It Superman, too. Oh, what is it? The Forbidden Zone Zone the FRATS right? yes, so this. This was the dumb ass like we're talking about this orb while also doing some sword fight training. All just talking about orbs endlessly. She's got a staff that like breaks half. beat the shit out of this dude when she winds up doing later again. Making sure she's not a Mary Sue. My six shows up and she's like. Get the fuck Outta. Morehouse like she's got to be Shitty to them. 'cause he's great There's a great music cue right around here. Because after she's like had enough with sword fighting this nerd. She's like you guys. Stay here and keep doing nerd stuff and there is a cot to far rock while she's riding a horse with. Just shooting these random bull's eyes. Are you replacing these every day? Servants are yet Jesus has to cost. You well know she's A. She's impossibly rich. I mean but like. That's a lot of ways impossibly rash. You her. Her servants are doing shit for all this movie like when when she was sword fighting one one of them, the other I was on the computer. Now. She tasks them with finding every references to orbs in all of Greek, literature. Okay sounds like a lot. It's a bit of a task, yeah The whole thing. Do you want like a top summary? What are we talking here? You really hope that these guys are making good money. I mean that's all I have to say because she is running them ragged. They're probably interns. Paid Intern Embezzling Shit right laughed. Steal from the rich. Do those people? No, no, they've been tagged at this point. She knows where they are at all points of. Something missing. She's GonNa get. Like she missed one of these vases. She has so many vases. She's got. Yeah. This. This is talk of somebody who's going to get tagged and then found out. Okay, here's what happens Chris I'll take a little vase for myself there if I get caught on and be like on and I took it to the virus cleaner. There you go back. By cheap knockoff to replace it with. So, yes, when she's riding this horse, a helicopter comes in hilariously. Kinda spooks. SHOWMAN's falls off. These are two fucking nothing. Am I six dudes. 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Let's talk about it now. Chris you'd bits asked. So stupid. This movie is so fucking stupid eleven. So. Yes, we're told that Pandora's box is located. In. The cradle of life away where life began, which is in Egypt? And the whole thing is like it's something about like you know two sides of the same coin. Give and take whatever the fuck she's like Oh. Yeah, you know with life you know. The the plague comes because plagues are companions to life, and you're like you know. What can we just start this adventure? Exactly? There's a half hour before we kind of get to who is. Not, the real antagonise the, but he kind of is which is Gerard Butler right. She's like I if you want me to do this. I need to bring in. Terry shared the. Doctorate showed it absolutely not I got a hardy hard to say big time. Lol, from his name being Terry Sheridan. Doesn't Gerard Butler played a guy named Terry I was tickled pink. For her to start calling him terence. Yeah. And so it turns out Dr Butler, you know, is this commander who became a traitor? And now he's in jail in Kazakhstan for some reason. I mean Lara Croft has to wear an Emma frost outfit to go and get him in the middle of this prison. This is vin diesel jagged from triple just. It's ridiculous. She finds him and we know he's cool because he's in Kazakhstan doing. Down pushups. Yeah! She has a little bit of a clarice starling. Walk Right here because like this guy greets her. Like as the helicopter land is that he's or is that later? That was later. Okay. Look the blood. The blood. My Wife and look at the blood. I killed. Plague. The ORB is very nice. I'm going to take from you, Gypsy. Can Smell your never mind. There's some guy that greets her at the helipads. Like Hi, I'm somebody somebody. Welcome to fantasy. Island was like Oh. Fuck would I rather be watching that crazy fantasy island movie. The answer is yes the new one am I? Am I the only one that did not see that now? I think I've seen it. I've yeah. Oh Dude you know what man fire up a nice jazz cigarette. In with a little cognac took a little fantasy island fucking film fest. You might want to wait until January because we're definitely gonNA, do. Yeah that's actually we could just straight up confirmed that this election from January conspiracy movies coming out this year. Oh a sick blessing in this movie. Is that at least Gerard Butler just gets to be a Scottish Guy Yes? Oh, my God. Thank God, it really kind of frees him up a little bit like I. Think the only you know I do this every week, but you know we try to say a positive thing about. Movies especially when we're really ripping on him like this when I think the two of them are pretty good in this movie together with the chemistry and whatnot I do. They might be fucking I. Don't know. You know no reports anywhere, but I really think they were playing. Hide the old sausage. Billy Bob. Thornton was watching though. Program a little folding chairs, not go ahead. Cool I'm just going to sit here with a bag of popcorn and watch y'all. Cook Kids Sling Blade. Give me great ideas for maybe I'll use them in the astronaut farmer. Steve Steve. You know what you said cocking Gerard. Butler accent guide. I thought you were saying. He was cooking Billy Bob. And I was like Oh. What is he going to eat him now? That's Kinda cool. At the mess you left Florida. How Shits the whole deal is if he goes and helps her. Infiltrate. This triad known as the Shea Ling. Then his record is going to be expunged. He'll be released from jail. Given a little comfy sum of money. Yada Yada Yada. So Gerard Butler China expert in this movie. Yeah well with all due eight deals all over the world I could get you to the SHEA laying ask. And, they make an uneasy alliance. It's very clear that they used to be lovers, but now they are not. Oh, yeah, this is just GonNa. Tease us through the whole movie Kinda George Clooney Haircut in this movie yet. A sensible sensible, little Caesar haircut totally period appropriate for the early arts. It looks like a real jerk guy. What his? Where was he in his career here? Thousand clearly, this is pre three. Hundred is like we're doing. Phantom of the opera did that happen yet. Now Phantom of the opera was after this. Also. That's a fucking thing. I saw in the theaters. Still never saw that movie either I've never seen that one which which movie the Phantom of the opera remo, it's terrible. Oh, you know what he had right before. This was rain of Fire Bantam is the year after this. Yeah, this movie came at the same year as time line, which I think might be another state to heat on him because he was like a good looking dude. You know what I mean like. He's just he's got that. He looks good data shared on. That's it. Three hundred right around the corner, so he's GonNa be a superstar. Then yeah, it was three years after this, and then it just kind of goes from there. Oh A. Two thousand seven PSI Lovey I love. I want the. Movie! That movie is fucking garbage to debate. Maybe Someday I. WanNa marry a Hilary Swank. No it's like he's fucking dead. Yeah, yeah, and she's like like reading all these letters or she goes on some like post. My husband's dead treasure hunters. I want to to like really along it year grief. You gotta read. Be La-. Grief. SCAVENGER hunt ghosts can't do it, WE'RE GOING TO CHINA This like crazy jet pods thing. And there's a thing in this movie that like they play it as like a laugh or whatever, but it's like kind of cruel where this old Chinese guys like in this river something doing some quiet fishing. And they're stupid like escape pod thin crash lands in the water, and like pretty much kills this guy at the movies out of the way Chinese. Guy Here comes action who? Kinda do this thing where it's like. Oh, we're using this weird stealth bomber looking fucking thing, but we're going to jump out of it, so it looks like we don't like what they're faking. Their own death a little bit here and my Rom. They use the ejector seat. I think what we have to do is we have to wasted most amount of money can. Break everything so it's. Not Usable Edmore totally and we meet right here. My favorite character in the movie this little Old Lady that's like Lara Croft Q.. Like little Chinese lady, who's just like oh? Hey, it's been a long time since I've seen you. Here's all your guns and I fixed up these pretty cool motorcycles for you guys to use a man which relied to remain conspicuous. Okay, and then she's driving the motorcycle down the Great Wall. Dude why don't we? You kitchen on it. It's like bull fucking Shit like this is the way they're like not getting caught. Bales okay. They also look like characters from from hackers. At this point. Oh definitely these jackets sunglasses. You're going to get noticed. It is so bad from top to bottom and just these useless garbage set pieces like here. Eat this SLOP, you pig! This is sort of nine three hundred and the Nolan Batman. Movies in the marvel movie were like these are better blockbusters because where I guess trying just a weird spaghetti soup, I think you're right because there's at least a framework there that sort of makes sense, right, you know what I mean even if maybe a little bit Glib like the marvel movies are a bit overly serious as the novel Norlin movies are complete trash like three hundred. It's like there is at least like a framework in which I understand what I'm looking at. It has to do certain things to work as opposed to like I dunno a globe trotting adventure fucked watcher, the Chinese wall bear. What are they called the Chinese wall right? Yeah, yeah, that Chinese war! That'll do. Tomb Raider, two Chinese walk. LAZIEST! Piece of Shit Hollywood executive in history. Yeah, I! MEAN! It's a day after tomorrow. Thinking like just defile fucking landmarks and we're good. definitely were. People want to see big things defiled. What can we do to fakes? You think Oh, so many things. You could see her being bad ass. Motorcycle from space, though is my. Oh I hope so. She's just doing it S. it did not for any reason. Okay, let's get to a place a cool. I'm GONNA and he's not even he's a I'm not gonNA. Go on the Great Wall seems a todd disrespectful actually. Did you see that China band. This movie makes stuff like. Whatever the languages though that they issued like the statement is insane because the movie isn't doing any of those that like. It's not this, but their reaction that they put in this statement is like. If this movie played in China, our government would crumble. Like what are you talking about? I think they put the same thing for suicide squad. I think Chinese government is right there. Because then they're populace to be too stupid to function and suddenly the economy. China would have a real America on their hands. Yes. Oh, Yeah Paul Ball Kapah just so disrespect to the Chinese people You can't do it. Just political reasons. They laughed so hard at Paulblanco. They forget all their trade training and it's all over. We cut back a Karen Hines at. He's fucking torturing a different. Chinese guy like this kid is just like the delivery guy with the box, the ORB inside it. This guy like sprays him with something and blinds him, and he's like yeah. I don't know. Maybe you'll get your site back someday. Anyway time to go to the boss, and then like CAIRN's opens the box. There's just a cell. Cell phone in it, and he's like rare is the ORB. This guy's like man. I'm blind I. Don't know what's going on, and then he's like all right fine. Take care of him. And then this kid gets stabbed in the spine. Usually the move a you're. He's like. Oh, he calls Chen low and he's like well I hope like your bessinger. Boys like well. I didn't and it's like. I don't like that it just mail a cell phone to the would like dude. I'll call you seven o'clock. Yeah, what does this grab ass? Of. It is like okay. I might give you. The by. The orb might give it to Lara Croft to. Everybody knows not Lara Croft. But Lara crawl. And so we go back to our motorcycle shenanigans, and they liked roll up to this one area there instantly found by the shelling, and there is a fucking hocken the horn the whole time. There is a hilarious thing where one of these dudes like one of the like I. Guess Sort of Main Shalin heavies here Who's like maybe like Jenn? Lows, number one or something is. Kicks Gerard Butler or something, and he goes I told you. Jerry never come back. DID IT DUDE! That was a bad bath. Okay, you've. got. It is because like. He ran off with some young woman the last. Banged the sister of the big, Guy. WHO's beating him up? Oh, that's. Big Heavy Dude. It's like. Oh, it's your old partner whomever. Sticking basis. He made off with like two hundred Ming Vases. That was his big hall getting out of this fucking Oh. That's right I told you guys vases. Them Vases. Well, that's what you do. I'll steal a bunch of them at once and then. Maybe you know they don't. They're not able to track all of them down. Maybe we should just do. Cod cast just seems more lucrative. Is I think we should become super? Rob I. Super Robbers. We can't flood the vase market. We get all our profit goes away. That would bottom out the vase economy, yeah! So I mean. This scene is basically like Gimme the ORB I don't have it. I'M GONNA. Buy It off, uses Laura Croft, give it to me instead of Karen Hines, because he's a maniac, and whatever it just turns into this huge fight. This is what I went to the bathroom to splash water and face 'cause. I was about to I, would literally with that? Tire well, because the movie doesn't ever ground itself at anything and just kind of like this looking within who cares. they have this big fund. She makes some mention of like Oh gimmie. Four minutes is what she says to Gerard Butler, and she's in the other room with Chen Low, and then like you know when the whole deal goes tits up. She starts fighting him and then butlers like has been getting his ass kicked by this huge guy who I recognize. He's definitely in that. Cana reeves movie the replacements. Early yeah, potential stay tuned they're. Having this fight with this dude, and he's destroying all of his own terra cotta warriors, which was just bragging about how valuable they are. Yes, it's just like wait, so you're gonNA destroy like ten of these fucking things in order to try to subdue her so that you could get a better price for the ORB. Yeah, I just seems like just do deal. Also like this is not a guy. Double Cross Eddie whatever the price was originally. Just take it and move on with your life. Yep, absolutely so she fucking kills this dude, whatever and they escape by going down a rope upside down for some reason. Yeah. It was pretty extreme. I have to say the rope burn alone just by all I don't care if you've got gloves gloves on like just flying down this entire like cliff face on a rope that you're just sorta holding in your hand. Like look if you door move rope climbing and put crystal meth with guitars in the background. It doesn't make sense to do it upside down that way. Totally make sense. Yeah. It's Gotcha do do. Do. Now Terry before we have sex, we should have some mountain dew. Yeah I could scold ranted. If we're going to be doing all these extreme sports are west wet, my whistle with the best stuff on the matic. Gives it the? gatorade in between sessions. Burping as he goes back to her I. Give me a BAH blast. Off. Sugar a shock. To suck some of that Baja, blast your belly button. About do sex discounting. Though, don't we are not doing soda play? Take my breath, oh! I call it pop play. Play Oh. Billy Bob Thornton. You WanNa have six by waft shore, but it's got to be Matin de sex. You better be getting into some pop. Play their. threesome with me and Dr Pepper. The good doctor. who the doctor is in. Maybe. Maybe I'll just watch and she can just play Dr Pepper Mr. Man That mister pip, though he's got some wondering fingers. In 'em threesome Mister Pip Dr Larry. Excellent. So now we go to Shanghai because the ORB is a at the flower pagoda. or The dropoff happening there, and they say this, as if and maybe it is I've never been to Shanghai. Personally the flower pagoda like a thing. Is that like a big deal landmark? Anything I have no idea. It Yeah I. I'm fairly ignorant. Finishing to Shanghai and I don't know because I am ignorant as well there you go. She uses Google glasses to get an update from Noah. Taylor, dude this fucking. Thing looked so cheap. My God it is just Google Glass look ahead of its time. It looks like fucking garbage. That doesn't exist anymore, right? That didn't happen. Up on it I think I. Think Society was like you know what? I will tell you I was in San, Francisco the week. It was happening though. They were everywhere really. A bunch of these fucking morons walking out into the street hit by cars. Everybody just looks so fucking stupid looking for laughing at him, I mean. You look deep I saw one dude came into my job where I was working time as a vendor. And he heads Google asked the whole meaning of like you ask. Like yeah, we're waiting for that like. SPEC update for yeah, definitely Yep that's all it is. Maybe I'll see some bubis. Bubis era Weiner with my google. You could see everyone who has a walking skeleton. That yeah, like Jason and the argonauts type of glass I would actually maybe partake. Oh, you're just so instead of like looking at people. You would literally just be looking at the League of skeletons all day, yes. Maybe I mean at least on Halloween right. I'm glad that technological innovation failed so there's like this handoff with. Karen Hines and The Chen those the rest of it's his. It's still that same Right. It's his brother Yeah yeah unless. Is GonNa. Do the hand off and also like cello. Here in Heinz. Park your helicopter and get out like I'm sorry? If your friend wants to hang out, he has to come inside and say hi to mom I like. This lead it on the Horn I'll outside. Your fucking helicopter is so fucking stupid the biggest. My favorite thing about this is that you reveal Til Schweiger is in this movie. He's like the number to cure in. Heinz, and it's in this moment that it's revealed that his name is Sean. Sean, I need your help on this. You want like a gunner there, yeah? Michael Kilgore that. That's what you want. Do, you think Quinn, turn Tino is a big fan of cradle of life. Has this movie played at the new bath? I don't know man, not not too many instances of bare feet in this room. But like Til Schweiger like. I still to this day like inglorious bastards. Him. maybe Tarantino's. There's a big SLC punk fan I'll was in that he was still have never seen it. You're fine. It's a super ninety. If you're looking for a nineties era like kind of like edgy movie. Just pass the time as nothing can happen, you could definitely do worse. You're saying that the TIL Schweiger SLC punk. Yeah, he plays like the weird foreign friend that like wants to like. He's always on drugs that is trying to like. Kanye vaguely I have not seen that movie since. One of those movies I thought was really amazing at the time. And then you're like Oh it's just this movie like minded adult environment. If you like that movie, you're probably right, but if you like if you hate it, you're probably right also. It's just a funny coincidence. Because yonder bonds like a executive producer of that movie. Here's how maybe that's very fast, small World Small Hollywood world. so. Again Shit just goes tits up. She's like riding in on the slow, moving dragon, neon, light or something because you're gerbils. Sniper rifle out of you. It odd Oh, you're being an extreme asshole again. This is why we don't work together. It's not sexual tension. You just kind of a Dick. and. It's just this big old shootout or whatever she. Does a very video game. Move here of she does like a pole vault to throw herself at the helicopter. As you know Karen, hines is getting away with the ORB, and she puts a tracking device on the box, and then falls into like the back of a flatbed truck like she lets go of the helicopter and falls and like her and Gerard Butler. Then do this entire scene where she's just laying on her back, and he's sitting there and I was like which she actually injured right here and there were like we have to get this Angelina. We have to get this done John Yang. I'm not moving until you clean up. This fucking set okay. Here and then get me when you're ready all right? We're going to set up a new set of blocking. She's going to lay. Gerard, you come jared right this way Gerard. You're going to sit next to her. You're going to do the scene laying down now. Just. Don't fall asleep. It's very important. Yes, it makes no sense, but we do it anyway. and. When we cured hides escapes to his. Secret Facility that takes that is in a shopping mall Libya. In Hong Kong. It's an actual shopping mall like he's fucking making a bowl of twenty feet below the food court at it's fucking. Any indication of weather and others. The same hotel that Ed snowden snuck through. Way Back when possible because that was that whole thing right, he was, he was in Hong Kong and they snuck him out of the hotel on this whole thing in citizen four. Where he's look you're and then we had to go through this shopping mall and It was pretty crazy. She could arlo hotel. All of course the lied about their involvement with the Tomb Raider Program. Documents for many many years and I've seen you know they'll lie. Right? Your fast-melt. Lara Croft. Right here, fucking faced about him. Somebody say documents. So they sneak into this weapons lab, which yes, in the middle of a mall hilarious. Get Your fucking your lady footlocker? I know with hiding in plain sight or whatever, but wouldn't WanNa to be on the side of a mountain or something like it's harder to get to well, that's why this is. It's so hilarious. How much they are really hammering home that this is cheap James Bond. Where where it had chunk upon, where would you know the bond villain and it's a palatial estate. Yes, would steve the side of a mountain Yada Yada Yada. Shopping Mall. Yeah this this hideouts in a shopping mall. We're making the advanced super bowl. Also. It kinda smells like pretzels. Oh No, you went into the hot topic and you picked up the one nightmare before Christmas merchandise opens the secret passage. No one ever takes. Don't ever get the give bookie doll. Oh my goodness. You actually pulled a black light poster out of the racket a hot topic. No one ever does that at the secret passageway or Ed Snowden. Do you have a miss piggy after of? Here police cars. And, so they find out that you know Cairns. dudes are decoding ORB in a lab like much faster than her two thirds were able to do yet, they've she. She took a picture of the ORBS, only as a thirty percent of it, or whatever and they're like. Oh, it's the luck sound waves I. Think and it's I don't know what that means actually not know what that means, and it's not like sound waves. It's. Like it's they're saying something about like. The ORB is a key and there's sound waves on it, and if you translate, those sounds it to codes. Everything I guess it just play outkast's hey. Ya and it will wake up your hand. Just love the whole like Oh, it's a map. It's a key like whoa. Let's combine these two. It was an actual, because was an actual map that could open a door. Yeah, something, a man, eating audience could like look at at one point. It'd be like Oh. That's kind of that thing as opposed to like it changes, and it's like CGI nonsense. Yeah, like a really weird looking bowling ball. this is when yeah she they break into his facility and Helix has to go on an errand for some reason and he's to get lunch. Is that what's happening? Here in Heinz is I don't know that he's like caught up yet or something. I don't know why he's behind them. He fucking left I. Know He doesn't he's there. He drops it off as well now I have. Oh, really maybe. With the bank. Elderly mother needs errands. That must be read, and it's going to take all day every time every time I tell her to call the taxi service. She calls a McDonald's at has to stop. Stop now. Yes, mother I will take you at eleven thirty, two the chemical. Make a deposit. Chemical Basement Bank was right here. You Lost Lady. Excuse me. I have to go. She's outed off Broadway street again. Just wandering route killer, please. One of my favorites Seinfeld, things when Gags, when the whole like you lost lady, and then he's like now. The Chemical Bank Down Fifth Avenue, and it's your. What is like Khotan there? ASK FOR MR? Whoever so you'll treat you right? Yeah so they come back in, and he's like. Oh, no I shouldn't have taken to the bank. Kim! Yeah, there's a there's more action. He stuff happening here. She shooting stuff. It's SORTA fine gas. None of it looks like anything like the last movie was. Was Bad because we're Super Matrix, see this is just sort of nothing, but at least in that first movie you're in like a lot. More action takes place in a lot more exotic places, and like for this big scene 'cause there's tons of shooting and all this stuff going on. People are getting laid waste to hear. Like, you're just in this chemical lab. It's just again. It's fucking junk. It looks like mission impossible, but mission impossible to. That's low Chris I I'm not kidding. They wind up. There's some weird thing where like they're going up the side of building construction elevator because Gerard Butler. It's gotta be a DUB like they get off this elevator and he is dubbed speaking. Chinese this one. Oh. Yes. So. High yes, yes, it's definitely higher and you're like. That's not fucking Gerard Butler. To that is You know what just hey on. Could we just go quits on this one? Duke Duke. Or. Are you going to do my wife? I'm going to put up my little chair here. And, this is where man. Speaking of her wearing the Fuckin- vin diesel goat in triple X.. This fucking squirrel soup base jumping crap. What a waste of fucking time! Why did you just get on the boat? Here's the thing. There's a garbage line here where he's like. The votes to three miles this way or whatever and she's like cool. You know the farthest. Anyone's ever gone. This is one mile, and he's like now I know that. Die Young, but then they just do the jump, and it's totally fine, and you're like will. What did you say that for them? There be some like malfunction or something like his fails, and she's like holding him until they get to the boat. You get to know that she just set a record. She sent a records and she's cool and great. Oh, WHAT BE WHOA! Gerard Butler's there from the Guinness Book. And there is just we are. This movie somehow is under two hours long by not by not a lot. It's like an hour and fifty seven minutes, but there is just so much fucking squirrel suit foot right here. There is a really proud of it because it's a practical stunt. They really did it or not onto the boat, but like they really got people in Squirrel suits in Hong Kong. So you know, screw, ask her. This girl suits at call me when you get a raccoon suit like Mario brothers. Total dude when you can turn into a little statue like that. What do they call it the to Nukii suit? Right! Yeah, no, now I. WANNA play Mario GonNa weep ye with detail. Look! I'm a little raccoon. Go. Shooting fire out. After where this frog suit on the water understand. Mental Cabin, body and by that I mean Gerard Butler can move. I love. He get into the boat and he gives this guy. Music thanks for taking care of 'cause. I took get an. That's petition. Here's Joe more than like. Fifty dollars. He fucking totally low balls duties like he's like. What did we agree to two hundred thirty? Actually. Three hundred and I was like anyway, dude, that's not enough money to be like a crooked boatman. It's going to fifteen grand ahead or something at least fifteen thousand dollars ahead. No doubt about it. Three hundred measly, bucks. Paid for fucking confirmation, dinner is a big one hundred all right. You know. Make sure the entrees come out time POW. Confirmation. I understand it was family style, but I feel like a pain you're. Are you ripping me off? On, we didn't have four walls. Dude, pull that Shit with me. On this boat and he's like arc. Here's your orb, and she does this garbage like you know, you could just steal this right now. Why aren't you stealing from me? Why aren't you being a piece of Shit? Well, that's that's his thing is like. He betrayed his his team and her at some point, so she doesn't trust him even though she keeps trusting him. And also like the movie keeps reminding you that she doesn't trust him and I'm like I understand. I was there in Kazakhstan when you made the deal, and it was all up front right there, but they keep going back to. This is like one of the first ones, and then like it just evolves into them like they might be fucking on this boat, and then she like handcuff Zimmer, whatever I am before. Apple for at least thirty seconds. It is really something I could not believe that I couldn't believe it. I was watching I was in my contract. Suck on May? Nipples. Just WanNa bite. My salary, but she bites. But. I I do, but it's interesting. That doesn't happen often in movies you have you suck on the mantelpiece, dude, whatever, but like it just sort of doesn't do anything not even as sexy look immediately, she puts she handcuffs. The bed is off now at A. Cake or whatever. Think it's something are. Aware but okay. I draw the line at peg ED. You going keep going my wife. I don't know. Don't forget about the mandate is not no. We do have time for Pagan we have back in. which you're on or don't forget work, those nipples e put it and bring. It didn't take those out for air. popcorns great? And so there, there is a fucking garbage line right here because she's like getting ready to take off and he, he says something and she goes. I'm not leaving because I can't kill you I'm leaving because I could, and I'm like. I can't trust you. Can you not trust be accordia? Trust me to Merch Yoon afraid. They. Want in a lot of craft. Do you have any Scottish solicitors I hope so I like Thomas. Hit our guts. No, that's I. Think what I've noticed at least from the Internet and by the Internet religious just being twitter is. A lot of folks love. How absolutely fucking dumb we sound and don't worry Scottish people. We don't think this is as Scottish people sound this May as well. Be a cartoon. Show here with me. Everything we do is dumb and like all railways now to Scottish audiences. Yes, we sound very stupid, but to American. Audience we also sounds do. I sound stupid to people all across the globe. It's totally fine. That's what we got sentenced to screenplay school guys. I'm telling you. There is something to this one. This one has to go beyond the funny poster I mean. This one has to be something. We gotTA DO Screenplay School. And it is. We are sentenced by judge to teach other. Younger people. That's exactly what it is. My. Favorite part of the movie here is when you get a mandarin dubbed. Maybe. It's Mandarin. Maybe it's not I. Don't know SpongeBob squarepants as broadcast here in what I think if you look this up. On, the DVD menu this chapter is just called fifteen minutes of inconveniencing innocent Chinese family. Yeah, I don't know what what what what she go to. She get good hotel and rent a room and do this her own self. Aren't you find a Chinese Radio Shack? Like what? Why are you bothering? These peoples around the time she invents is. Pretty much like she. She steals a so. She sees this boat and there's like a satellite dish on it, so she's like okay. Perfect. I can the inconvenience. These people in kind of scare them and she just goes into the cabinet of this boat and is like hey. Mind if like we watch TV together and these three, it's like a you know. A, mother, a father, and just this little girl, and they're all like shit scared, because here's this like you know crazed looking white lady with a bad spray. Tan fucking just jumped onto their boat her. She does have a bad spray tan his by the way it's awful. Oh, for sure so yes, she uses their satellite and the television, and she's doing a couple of macgyver kind of moves here and basically. Yes, she invents like videoconferencing from scratch. It's like a tennis ball and a paper clip together. Then all of a sudden zoom. She literally uses chewing gum that the little girl is using. Gruber. I. Check Gruber. Just comes in with Celery, sticking out of his ASS. Better movie honestly if that happened, but yeah Noah. Taylor is basically like okay. Cool, you know. Send me the rest of the markings from the ORB and I'm like we are still dealing with his orb I cannot believe it turns into this big projector of like Africa and like I it just it's so silly looking. It doesn't look like anything like it would be kind of cool if it was like. It like spelled Africans from certain way or like there was an old. You know Hieroglyph of something you look Oh that's like to just like. CUT TO BE ROLE OF AFRICA The fucking Sarid, Giddy but. It's also weird I. Mean it looks like Natsios like First Streaming Service I mean it's it's so crazy and the only thing I mean there's there's nothing that says anything but like. She, notices, like Mount Kilimanjaro at one point, and she's like well. That's it. We got to go to Africa there. It is after five minutes of like. Elephants like bathing in the water and I'm like what are in what what is this? Even at all like to see all this shit I need to see her like doing peyote prior. See and that would have been cool like. Oh, like you know. Put this ancient route in some water and make tea with it. You'll see like a vision of where you need to go or something like that like. Get Out of this James Bond Hackers techno thriller crap. There was this godly voice talking at me. It's David attenborough. And Laura coughed is safe. For now. We're begets HBO Max because my Roku doesn't. Nothing way what is going on, either he he's I can confirm this. I also have a Roku and you cannot get Hbo Max on it because they have not finished the negotiations with roker. LARK CRAFTS GONNA, throw can show before you guys. Seth Rogan show American pickle. He's playing. Himself and then his ancestor I don now. All right. Question for Chris Cabinets He. He seemed to be pretty knowledgeable on this subject so. In in a show called American pickle, he goes back and sees his ancestor his, so he is a cucumber. He's a worker and he like he falls into bad of something and time travels to the current day where he meets his descendant of many many many decades later and like they team up and they're both played by Seth Rats. They're both played by Seth Rogan Hot, G Macho movie actually. Moving think it's a series. Big Hollywood movie. Film Oh. Is it okay well then? Yeah, but they've been pushing that quite a lot. You have this or no I, do not, but I've seen the the HBO Max. Promo for it. A bunch icy got hold on hold on a second boys. Take an American pickle. Get comfortable chair here to go on with my wife. I'm just saying. I needed before this fucking. Snyder cut gets released because we're going to do something with it. Oh, absolutely I think we got some time. Though for that the weird thing here also is You know a holidays like or Noah Hawley Noah. What is this fucking guys name? Taylor yeah, no holidays the Fargo. Guy This guy played Hitler opposite John Q.. Oh. Yes, of course! Yeah, that was like the pre. Reich Hitler Hitler begins. Yes, it was Hitler begins in my favorite scene was when John. cusack brought that boom box to the Reichstag. That was the source of the fire did. Exactly the heat with those jams. Hitler's also it's a fantasies about and cartoon, Hamburgers or whatever? I'd watch that. So yes. Noah Taylor like he's being like a bit cagey on this video conference call and she's kind of like. Why are you even questioning what I'm asking you to do? You fucking employees. I like just send me the thing you know. I wanted it yesterday asshole big time and it turns out that like whoops. There's Karen Hines, and all of his dudes like with a gun up to his head. You know just off camera so now. They know that everybody's going to Africa for the Third Act of this film and. You know what too little too late here. If you got your monsoon movie Man I, need this guy up front. This dude rules and it's like the last twenty minutes this movies. All these in this is an absolutely different movie. It's not even close to what we were watching for the ladder eighty minutes. It's not even close and so Shimon hunts. WHO's playing Costa? Who's kind of like her man? In Africa, contact on the ground kind of a thing. Baker James Bond a little bit. Yes, yeah, attractive Acre to choose yeah. crowded. Ah. What are you doing in Africa Lara? What am I doing great question. Yeah I do not like it here. I will tell you that I will not tell you why but. You got get some archaelogy allies and go and don't. Wait a second. This is Joe Don Baker with my wife. Better get real comfortable. Dude, this was gonNA take. A long got got a big hole nipple on one. You Bob, how you doing looking all them. Big Old man titties suck on them big man. I would like the idea of like. Baker has one big nipple like. The center of his chest, one giant nipple. This is off. Yeah, he's a character from Dune. She meets up with A. Bunch of other African dudes year and They're telling her to drop his orb. Go Fuck Yourself. Get Out of here. It's the Indiana Jones conundrum. She's like. Listen I need to get there before the bad guys get there, and it's like no, no, no, no, no, no, you're going to bring the bad guys here. Just leave it alone and we'll be fine. It's been hidden for thousands of years. It'll still be hidden. Yeah, if you didn't start rooting around through shit in the first place, but then how'd we'd find it? But they have to because you don't need to just leave it alone, but we have to find it. Because if you don't find it, how do you make money off I? Don't understand what you're talking about it here. And it needs rating. So you know, she's like Hey, man. I'm on your site here. I'm trying to prevent these dudes from fucking up your shit so there. This dudes like all right well the land beyond the canyons is where the shadow guardians are, but that's where you need to go and I'm like I'm sorry. Did you just say shadow says? Monster Valley like set star. Do the whole movie in Africa make it. Make it a continent trotting, and then actually developed this idea you present it to me. Yeah exactly. So, you know they're like all right look. You seem pretty cool. Lara Croft twenty men are going to take you only so far as like you know the base of Kilimanjaro or whatever it is but then immediately like they're on the on the hike and one dude is like what Laura Croft your fucking all right? You're pretty cool. I believe that you are here to help. My people so I'm GONNA. Go with you all the way, and then like the nineteen other dudes are like. Did he just volunteer us to go the hallway with this lady? was going all the way with my wife. But better sit down to this folding. Gera- Africa Joe Dog. You don't have to keep waving at me. You can just keep on going into. Just, don't you don't got the whole point is I'm not. Pay Any attention to me. I'm scum. You understand what I'm saying you here. We go here. We go down lives around here now is real clear. Every time you look at me, I'll go limp. Point is out to be rock-hard. They're all this and then do nothing about it, you understand. Popcorn. I lost it again. Joe Bob. Verger is or spit on me. down. The other. You've been a ton of movies, right? The camera on the camera all right. Do Not Spike me. Might Have Angelina. Spock me later. You remember your movies I I would like to walk tall right now. You just keep on talking my wife. Get that joystick out. The hottest sexiness cinema history the sex scene and Mitchell. Yeah. That's what I'm trying to get. Get going right here. Yeah, and don't look at me because now I'm going to be doing some blood magic. I got my wife's vial of blood. Magic. And, then in. The absolute most terrible turn of this movie is like all the fucking white people land again via helicopter and just murder. All these African guys, YEP, straight up murder every last one. At the headline name of. Hans, who gets to live, but everyone of these do execute. Their being mowed down by machine guns. Thankfully few do stab some of these dude. Yeah, that's nice. Yeah there. You get to see like well, it's it's actually it's well. It's it's Karen Hines, but then also like there are a couple leftover Chinese dude still hanging around I. Did say they're a white guys. Definitely not either way a couple of them get some like spears right to the heart pretty fucked. I'll take it. meanwhile and then she's like. Like Oh, I'm not going to get get. The idol music are the to nerd. You have an first of all the move here is you got to nerds? You kill one. Yup, show, you mean business. Yup! Exactly saluted, and like know Taylor's The I think he's sort of bigger name here. Kill other guy. What's his name Gary What they name is Hillary Oh. That's right kind of like Edmund Hillary just throw throw his head out like it's like Noah Taylor. Say they'll. Just. Roll the head towards like fucking soccer ball gentlemen. We are making a better tomb raider movie right here I mean that would actually make it mean something. Suddenly some people mean business or whatever, but because in this movie it's just yours fucking playing in the backyard with plastic guns. The way this fucking unfolds. It's you're absolutely right. steaks with consequence as no, no, no, I just called dark guardians. Like what does that mean? Don't worry a million points I win. Yes, so then there's some weird thing where Shimon Hans us like yeah over that way. Yeah, that's where it is, and he's like pointing them to the shadow, Guardian area and Right around here for absolutely no reason other than he was kind of in the movie for like the first half Gerard Butler like. You know like lands back in the film saves the to Nerds, and then like One of them is like. Oh, I know how to fly helicopters because I played a lot of like flight simulators. In Taylor. Oh yes, you're right. And I want to see actually really quickly. This was ought three. When does a certain film called so three years later snakes on a plane comes out and Keenan Thompson's character in that movie does the exact same thing at the end? You know what else came out three years later? Movie The astronaut farmer. What is that movie? You seem to be hung up on the astronaut farmer. I. Don't even know I've never seen it i. just know it's Billy Bob Thornton movie from the arts and I keep mentioning there you go. So. We're going into this like like caverns area, and then like they cross a certain line and all of a sudden. You're in like a Tim Burton nightmare land. Everything's purple and black and cloudy. You wish that this is Tim Burton that mad these fucking Brown. fucking face things that come out of the ground. What are they called? The are these the Guardians. Shadow guard is and this is where the year like. What is this movie doing? Because like they go into this? It's like a haunted forest basically is what it looks like, and they're walking through. This sounds and whatnot, and like there's a couple of like monkeys hanging around like in the background. All that'd awesome, if offers under turned into like Congo and all these like animals started murdering them. That'd be pretty sweet. But then like you see all the monkeys like fucking Shag and asked to get out of there, and you're like what what's going on and then like. These shadow guardians turn out to be these three monster things to come out, and it's they look very much like if you remember the cartoon and the comic the mask. The Max Rather. MTV's the Max those things that haunt him anyway. Somebody like that somewhere so. Alone. I didn't tune into a lot of liquid televisions, do you? IS THAT ON HBO? I would. Just Buy Apple TV, then get it. He's reminded me of that famous cartoon. The brown nothing's. Because that's what they do. They just fucking bring you into another dimension, and that's it. You know what they kind of look like an I o exactly remembered now I thought it was gonna be able to pull it. They look like the design of when you go to of course I'm talking the. Super Nintendo, or is it Nintendo sixty four whenever turtles and time came out, the superintendent was a super so in the level where you go prehistoric turtles source that one yet there's like those clay monsters, or whatever the yeah. Yeah, these sort of Amorphous blob things that kind of look like a person, but not really and they start laying waste I mean these are outright. Mom Stars now in this move. They look like it looks terrible, and it's just like this isn't the movie like remember when we were fucking hacking the chemical plant that was in a mall. Like come on now, there's these little shit at leaders. In the first one. There was statue that came to left that they had to fight. It was all sort of within the realm of what we're talking about a little bit. Yeah, no definitely was in the. You know like that's what I said in my letterbox. Review is like I understand there's magic in that first movie. Yeah, but it's all magic that is like you know feasibly within the. The world that they've built and this movie. That's like you know. We've been saying like junk bond to all of a sudden be like. Here's this magical forest and Africa where these fucking monsters that come out of the ground. Fuckin- statues, heads spears that could kill people that they just delete characters. Yes, that's what these things do. They just them out of the movie. That's all they don't rip them in Africa. They get til Schweiger pretty good. Are doing it yet. He's got a good death. But felt like the way that they all set it up is like they're walking through the forest, and there's one tree with like oil dripping out of it and this dude's like. How would I put my hand over this. I'm like Hey, man, how about you not touch that oily tree or yeah? The e walks have an oily true. Love them special healing power, not no, Joe Don I'm going to be an oil tree in one minute. On. Sure. So I wanted to tune into their tomb raider cradle of life episode, and then it was just all this weird shit where Philly Bob Thornton was getting cocked by believe Joe Don Baker, who was fucking Angelina Jolie yeah that was something. Joe Don Baker had one nipple in the center of. Sign on a nipple cyclops tipple. Good old single NIP Jodi, Needed to talk about something movies nothing. So it's. It's literally hair. My notes I just wrote Holy Shit. So we kind of we get past all this. She of course is like Oh. Yeah, these are a lot like tarantulas. Rex. Just don't move and they can't see you okay excellent. was that in the ORB was a Greek fable where you pull. I? Think she just like notices. POWERBALL! She just shucks it down there powerball. What's the the game from? American gladiators Oh. Maybe that is. You know what's funny is in my rewatching of that on Pluto TV by the way and Hey Pluto. TV BUYS THEM FUCKING AD time here. Man I mean. We've been plugging the all summer. I have not had any powerball episodes of American. gladiators can't believe it. I was actually thinking of the Lotto. Oh yes, our very similar Yes, very similar. Andrew shut the. SA- powerballs the real thing. You beat American gladiators. It's Kinda like winning the lottery. So we get to the cradle of life Gerard Butler. In from a rope somewhere til Schweiger gets swaggered Richard. Shift got shift in Schweiger. Get Swagger, dude, I think his head gets ripped off his head and everybody's got a limb kind of a thing. This is exactly what I'm talking about like. Especially, because here's the scene that set like it's very dark, and so on like I want to see this guts fallen out. You know what I mean like really tear this dude up and show it to me. WHY NOT GONNA. Show me to show me this dudes fucking dead ass! I was even. This a movie where this ends with Angelina Jolie like taking it to the hoop and like. That's it. That's what the ORB is. It's a basketball. You're totally right, DUDE! She finds like this. It's like a column with a whole on top of it and you're totally right. She doesn't Slam Dunk and like the thing opens up or whatever. That She's heating up. Til Schweiger out. He's out. Dude is dead and somewhere. Danny Devito the cartoon like how now. With this gross sandals. Oh, man, so yeah, it's basically all that the folks that are left now to go down into this cradle of life are Angelina Jolie Cairns and drug butler. What is the deal? Why does your mom Hans Suit? Not Go down for the final mission here. What's he do? Come live at the end of the disappears I I don't know what happened to him I. Think there's something about like. He doesn't want to disturb the godlike. That's their whole argument against her. Going in is like you're going on. She's like I I'm sorry, but I'm going to disturb your God I. There's money come out. We'll see. He's not a fucking Eddie. And I think he goes off at that point right back. so she? You know they're all down there whatever? and. It's this weird like M C Escher Shit. Where like? Time and gravity me nothing and you see them like walking, you know one of them will be upside down walking in the distance while another one is right, side up and another person sideways like she says something or geomancy says it's like. Oh, it's like where the land in the sky meat and nothing is, as it seems, there's something something something like this needs to be earlier in the movie if it's GonNa happen guys, and if you're really trying to wedge it in like this, just do us all the kindness of making it so I can see what's going on. Why don't we? It's Tomb Raider. Where's The torch I? Don't like the fucking thing like i. can't see anything. Yeah, that's a problem. That's pretty dumb. All I'm saying is. It's pretty dumb. I'm going to turn on this little desk lamp brought. Everything. See things better. It's also good for me. take notes Pandora's Box. Essentially functions like the box. They put in the water to bring Superman back and Justice League. Starts bubbling a deathly US around. It will apparently Pandora herself. Cried tears that turned did the Black Asu Jesus fucking you tell me history scholars but I. don't know I don't know about any of that dude, but what I know is there's there's a part where like she's fighting Karen Hines and She Oh no, they're not fighting. He's like you gotta reach down. Get it and she's like Oh, I can't reach it and he rips her shirt and like makes like you know lean farther kind of thing and her hair falls in this acid pool, and it's just like burning off, and I was like Oh. My God, this smell of burnt hair right now. Even come on, it's discussing ending is weird. 'cause she's been fucking flip flopping all over everybody kicking the shit. Outta anyone that looks at her cross, and at the end cure kind of roughing her up a little bit and I'm like look fucking fat nobody. It makes no fucking sense. Did she has been kicking ass like all the way back from when they were fighting the triad guys and everything like yeah, there's no way that this fat businessman is you know getting the best. You should've built up til. Schweiger more make him the number to have a big fucking fight with him and Laura. Cropper's Sean. Or if there's a scene in the beginning, where like a cure, Heinz is blindfolded and three assassins come in, and he takes care of all, and then like Oh shit, that guy's fucking crazy right I mean that would make sense I'd be like okay. That guy shouldn't be fucked with. He can maybe roughhouses Lara Croft. He's he's got a scary voices got like he has confidence in like. I could see being a little scared, but he also looks like he takes metamucil like. There's only so much I can get from this guy. So after their big dumb fight, reese the Karen hines character falls in. This acid gets a little pirates of the Caribbean. Look in here I was thrilled. 'cause I was like Oh. Did they just fall on the acid? And that's it, but no yeah out screaming up a storm. comes. Skeleton, right. Yes, yeah. Well I like you kind of looks like is when a Kevin Bacon Kinda starts going invisible in the invisible man, yeah! I wrote Down Thousands Death Yes oh big time. Is that what that Kevin Bacon movies called is visible, hollow man. That's right I do. Yeah Yeah I. Knew I wasn't correct. There so yeah, so he's dead is the idea. There's like she is saved by Gerard Butler, and there's like a thank you and dude. We didn't mention it at the scene on the boat, but it happens again here. The tongue kissing between between the two of them steam city. There Oh yeah, you could talk now. You can talking to you as my wife is cool, dude, get. Get some more of the crew members over years. Everybody watching you. Do what I do, but the thing is when she does what she does. I'm in the room. That's how that Yon Corta, the salary. She gives me, Tong. Does! I'm trying to think so like. Let's say we're making this movie in like two thousand two. Are they still married? Yeah I! Think so they got divorced in two thousand, three Oh excellent, maybe because he saw this movie and it was like you know what. I'll wear your blood, but this movie was off sawed being made. He was there with a folding chair. I like seeing you hot guys, but that GUY's too hot I. I do like the folding chairs. Part of the fetish could get a nicer share. No about the folding chairs sources is he? Doing that thing. It's tough because the genitals would be out in either scenario, but he's not allowed to take as gentlemen is that it's getting cock that's. What depends on. What the what the pre rules are different. For different. I mean I could see him either starting with it, a sea slater to dry hump that that that nylon or whatever it is. Maybe finish with actually. Always finishing with the ACC later cheerful. Till. I mean it could go either way to warm up those knots or maybe bostick. Sham turns the chair. I do love. Everything no, but he's like. Dr Butler is like Oh. It's very much that part in last crusade when Elsa like grabs the the. Crabs the challenge and it's like. Oh, no, we can't do that. We can't leave with this. It's like he's all cool. We've got Pandora the weirdest part about it is like. Yeah a Pandora's box. It's it's got a fucking world ending virus in it, and she's like no, you idiot, and he's like no, but think about we could get a lot of money for it, and IT'S A. Need with this fucking, Bajic help odds, it's so dumb and I think like there is some mention of she has negotiated. He's GonNa. Get like five million. Five million bucks right so common. It's just it's so dumb, and so they you know a big fight and you know who he's like you. You'll have to kill me because I'm tacking the Baux hits her in the U. Punched in the face or slapped her in the face. Rather or whatever it is, and then he's like, but I love. You shoots him in the stomach, and it's like yet. Dude leg got no. Here's the thing I i. love the fact that she murders him in this movie I. Think it's a great turn. You know they're not like fucking in a raft somewhere at the end of the movie you know like. I like that. Wow, a little water play out of the high seas, fucking my wife and a raft. Yeah, you know. I'M GONNA have to get photographer out for that. Still. Ask for. It turns out. Greed was the virus. They're kind of surprised. She doesn't feed. Are Butler to choose I thank you. That was the roundabout thing I was trying to get to. Do. You have to kick that body into the ass? Yes. There's going to be a skeleton in. They have to answer questions to answer questions and the US yeah I don't know where he fucking went. To check that acid pit I didn't think so. Going! GonNa drag the as. There's a weird thing where like she's tempted to open the box and then doesn't she look? At also like you can't be fucking around with this thing, it's magic. She opens it up a little bit, and it's like super. Light comes. Exactly, it is out now, or whatever are you going to spread it? Maybe you're a symptomatic. She drops it into the used to dissolve and I'm just like okay, so it's in the air now. Yeah, I, don't know what's going on, but didn't it come from the depths of that acid pit to begin with I. Guess The riddle that we were told by the Bridgman. At this, no I don't know well speaking of that, though like getting back out you just they cut, and she's like climbing out of the hole and I was like. Well did you run past? All those dumb tree monsters? What the Hell happened there? How'd you get past? Those guys are gone for a little bit is the idea they're out to lunch with? One of the monsters. Mother to the chemical. Shit you know and I keep telling A. Just. Get direct deposit. He doesn't like any of the tellers. She keeps saying direct deposits for the devil. Know whatever I mean. There's a thing where she gives like a an amulet that had some clue on it. Who could care like back to one of these African do's and she's like some things are not meant to be found. Blah, Blah Blah, and then like the end of this movie this globetrotting dip shit. Wannabe bond movie that ends with a bunch of tree, magic, or whatever that shit was and this whole affair. Comes to a conclusion where the big old gay jokes! These guys who were not in the movie at all, which is hillary and Noah Taylor. They're like they're. They're being done up by the tribesmen there or the ladies of the tribe, one of the one. That's got the dots on his head. And the not got a wig for some reason like. Long, right I'm not. I. Don't know what's going on there. Maybe they some extensions sitting around and I don't know. It's another woman's braiding hair. Stupid as it's like Oh, what is the well? Some sort of when in Rome thing and then like Juban hunts. He's like yes, but that's for the marriage ceremony. Wait what Y. Yeah, and then they're like. They're like looking at at each other like looking back. Angelina Jolie looking back at each other like Gogo game. Is. There's supposed to marry each other, or they're supposed to marry. Mary, Yeah Okay, I took it as Mary, because they immediately like holdback, vomit and run. That makes sense. Okay cool ending this Hollywood blockbuster on fucking unease, slapping dead gauge. Oh, by the way she said like Oh don't worry. Everything's good now. She I mean like a year later. All the cows around this fucking area are gonNA drop dead the goats to like all this is like a curse that Saboun this land now because she didn't kick Gerard Butler into the pit, he's just rotting down there and ruining. You, know hunts the area like PS I. Love You. Angelina new? You're going to kick me in the acid, but you've gotta find the SCAVENGER. Hunt because I love he much. I of you. We We hit credits ending on a song from. Let me check my notes here. Davey brothers Super Weird. 'cause like the movie doesn't have much pop culture pop music in it at all. Maybe one song near the whatever, but then this sound. The end of it is somebody's gotTa. Shout, shout track so this song then it's a Korn Song yes. Was it. Sheryl Crow! WHO's The lady? That's after that. There's a ton Oh. No, it's all. It's GonNa kill me. It's not show grow though but. You're just like what are you doing, jewel? Song for this. Not true either. Yeah that Korn Song though is also quite awful, and I'm sitting here. Thinking actually did it that first movie and with a U2 saw huge youtube. Right the REMIX. Yeah, so like man. That's a fucking fall I guess we didn't budget as much for the soundtrack. Peo- D shows up also in that I'm trying to asthma Leo de, and then it's he's this. Alexander Sleet possibly ca save. There's a Dandy Warhols song. That's also in the credit. And, then yes, the other song. By Alexandra slate, yes, that last one gram like four or five songs and credits. Oh, yeah, both crystal method NB I knew it I fucking. If you're getting Jonathan Daviss had a bed he should be. That should be the song. Cure in Heinz Laura Croft fight to make sure that would have been some bottom gobble. That's exactly right. Oh, actually apparently unaccredited somewhere in the film. There's a saliva songs. Do you like that? No I, don't. To Oh boy. There is a filter credited folk filter. Song Oh my excellent. What a great soundtrack! What a great leveler! A great time to be alive, two thousand three seriously. There is a song by a so I'm sorry, but there's a song by a band called Contra one featuring Sinead O'Connor. Honor in the Lara Croft Jesus Christ you know it dude So? That's the end of his movies. She has said she'll never play this character again. At least if a candor obviously is in that reboot whatever they came out fifteen years later is out from the get. Go like I. Think so, too. I think you know like the first one. She's doing her Angelina Jolie thing. She's being sly and like witty and stuff. I don't know she's got energy to it again. It's not a good movie this underperformance, either, but at least she's trying in. This did cut yet or no. She's like making out Gerard Butler. That's it the whole time. She's just thinking about how she hates Larry. Her agent who could not get her out of the sequel clause from the first move exactly yeah, it's just like I mean, and you can just tell like one of actor doesn't want to be there, and it's made way worse when the star of your movie in almost every scene but would anyone recommend tomb raider, or what is it Laura Croft Colin? Tomb Raider Colin cradle of. Colon two CLA- Cohen to matter colon the second one where we're the second. We've messing around with Collins better. Spin this around. No I would not. I find it really. Really perfunctory, and just like not at all. What this material should have been not that. I'm a huge tomb raider fan anyway, but like it just like we're not reading tombs. Good Chemistry. joleon Butler. That's about it nothing to see here. Folks Chris. Cabin a really bad. Don't watch it I. mean this is part of after because the first Lara. Croft did okay, right. It was a pretty big hit. I remember it. Was All right, but like after she is in like it's a real dip like its original sin territory, life or something like taking lives previous episodes like Oh, right I mean it's really bad. And this is I think as bad as it gets I really hated rewatching those. As bad as it gets her. Jack Nicholson in this movie now. I'm not going to recommend either. I would say check out the new one I. Remember Really Liking it. When it came out I haven't gone back. I've been meaning to reevaluate that really liking but at least you got Walton Geoghegan's fucking around and I think Alicia candor gives a shit which Angelina does doesn't at this point. She does more in the first movie which is better than this, but not by much. Check out our episode on it Yeah. I wouldn't recommend either also would not recommend The corn did my time video that she one hundred percent appears ovoid. Wait. It's not just clips from the movie. She's and the frame. Grab that they have here is definitely not from the movie because she's got like a completely different haircut yet now she's just in this corn video on. You must touch. Jonathan Daviss into contract. God fire that. Wait a second you going to be in a music video with a guy named monkey and head, I'm coming. That is Lara Croft Tomb Raider. Call in the cradle of life directed by Janda Ball. If you want more, we, we was of course. Go ahead on over to Patriot. Dot Com slash Weei movies right now. Are we love movies? Episode is out on Raiders of the Lost Ark Ladies and gentlemen. It'd be get. Pretty big gap. It was a it was. It was a big get for us to decide to do that. But of course other Pedro offerings like the next sis- who we got in the glossary this month Eric Bib Fortuna now. That is John. What do hots like number two dude? You know right great dude love. The guy was a big get for us is very pleasant. Somebody gets. and. Of course we have the animation domination on the mask cartoon. Which I kinda would watch over this again. I think Yup Yep. New episodes have on. Chris, you crazy person coming. Yes that's that's what's going on. And of course here on the main feed we hit movies roles on the Summer Blockbuster Extravaganza continues next Tuesday Steve. What are we going to be talking about? Then? We are going to be talking about I feel is going to ruffle. A feather were to or to the Sherlock Holmes movie from two thousand nine hundred eleven to ten. Probably it's nine. I still have not seen this by the way Oh the. The Guy Ritchie in the Guy Ritchie Film. I turned it off in the middle in the year of two thousand ten I think Here's my relationship with both of those movies. The first one I saw in theaters alone on Christmas and fell asleep in the theater Gotcha, and the second one I tried to watch at home, fell asleep about halfway in and then one hundred percent never went back to it. I. Remember this first movie being real trash. Though it's popular, people do enjoy it. No. Is that right? So why because? It's Ironman, yeah, I think it's. People like the the interplay between him and Jude Law, which yes, sure, Yup! That's fine, but. Worse than what I saw for this. That's actually very true so until next week. By the way I want to own would let you guys know if you're like I. Don't know I like that Sherlock Holmes. Though we're going to be telling you a little bit about what's going to be happening on this feed in August next week, just enough Wa. That's right. Good Call Steve's. there. You Go so until next week when we're giving you a little bit of a sneak preview for Aug, but also talking about Guy Ritchie's Sherlock Holmes. I'm Andrew Jupiter Stephen Sadek. Nurik Cisco Chris. Gavin take it easy and where Mask Ladies and gentlemen. That was a hate gum.

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Episode 410 - Lara Croft: Tomb Raider (CLIP)

We Hate Movies

06:22 min | 2 years ago

Episode 410 - Lara Croft: Tomb Raider (CLIP)

"And then there's like a loud crashing sound. And it's supposed to like kinda seem like there is like a gunshot going off. And I thought that this dude was assassinated. But then the joke is she just let something going the microwave too long exploded. Okay. Why do that also shoot that kind the head Tyler sized comedy? Again. I don't know fucking hate cinematic italicized comedy. She has a Butler and eighty bedroom you eating a fucking TV dinner or to appeal to the fans believes that. That's what it is. It's like, hey, fat body watching this movie. I know you're microwaving brio. Look Lara Croft is doing it too. By the way, I have to bring something up. Please. Serious point we all Butler old hands for Butler is named Hillary. Yeah. The fuck in main thing is the aluminum how isn't Cunanan taken a hold of this move and turned it into their own personnel. A good point. I think they're signs pointing to everything right here. You were on firmly believes that Bernie woulda made a better Butler. Well, actually, if you notice the first time, the aluminum Nadi is mentioned it is in minute sixteen which is actually one thousand seconds into the movie one thousand obviously, we know is the number of documents and Trump is holding and the rest of the question clearly that Alex west is an interpretation of John F Kennedy, jR, death. Lying in wait to kill the deep state and save Trump president for life God catching bad with the tomb raider. And. These people wish. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's actually, she has no press. Oh, yeah. You fucking Paul whatever. The fuck has a lot of thoughts about the strong British character that has huge knockers. She's eating gob. It. Did you see that? My. My favorite. There's a commercial hot pocket commercial. And it's two kids. It affected it in the microwave. Shove a bit don't do that. If you have kids in a grocery store and one kid's on let me get let me get hot pocket and the other grabs the arms, David mom said to get hardy snacks. And he's but he's just a hardy sedan. It's got she's like mom is never get hardy. Snack now, boys. Make sure you pick up a hearty snack. Hard dis. Make sure you blow up the bathroom, boys. Get microwaveable pizzas. You better get a hearty snack because I'm going to Vegas with my boyfriend. And who knows when I'll be back to, you know, I'm just gonna hang out here with my gin goes Hardee's. So yes, we have to it's determined use. The this all seeing eye to find the pieces of the triangle of light because that gives you and maybe the aluminum there's accessible the power to control time. A treasure trove for the Cunanan community. Listen, that's just beautiful. Yeah. You're talking making all kinds of crazy bullshit that'll make you do violent acts in the middle of nowhere from that. Though figure it out either way. So she goes to see Iain Glen mister Powell, and he's like smoking opium at some party bucks. You know, do not for this. Also, why does he have to have jet black hair? I don't know is very weird. What's that? Zoro had. He's just a guy dressed. I got asshole. He's dressed like an asshole. Absolutely. He absolutely drizzling at asshole movie, and he's like, yeah. Sitting on like a fucking pile of pillows smoke in a huge pipe or whatever. And he's pretending doesn't know what the thing is that she, oh, I do think, you know. There's like a fun huger quotes. They're a fun scene. They're going back and forth. And then she goes back home. And then there's an assault on her compound. Not only is she not raiding tombs, Chris hurt tomb is being rated shit rate. And her to the tomb is the tomb ratings going the wrong way in this film goes the it should go the other way, this is why I was saying why do you only have two people in your house? Wouldn't you have like a? Yeah, you're not a one man army or one woman army. She likes to think she is. I guess the robust failed the beginning of this scene. She's wouldn't you know it. It's really convenient. She's on a bungee cord doing like wire exercise. Those are just that's her nightly Winedown, dude, your house is that big. You gotta get around. But it's not when the fighting starts. It's not like the matrix. You guys domino? But including sounds. Because we don't have the the wires. Right. You're totally right, dude. Keep those things in we're doing this wire bungee shit all over the Croft estate. And these dudes raid the compound, or they're descending it on strings, and they're all this takes a long time this movie takes so long to get going. It's it's kind of gets going it. No, you're right because it's under two hours blissfully, it's like one hundred minutes flat. But it never does anything. It's like a dude standing in his front yard pulling the fucking court on a lawnmower this movie just doesn't get going. Well, I'll tell you. What does get going is a bullet flies into Sherry Pepsi? Oh, yeah. Yet, though perhaps in this movie. Yeah. You'd better drink, Pepsi bugah. They got my Pepsi. Better. Go play young Hitler with John. Huston.

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 Apple versus Epic: how the Fortnite app led to a legal showdown

Today in Focus

28:51 min | 2 months ago

Apple versus Epic: how the Fortnite app led to a legal showdown

"Today the legal showdown between epic games the creator of fortnight and tech giant apple. That could change the way many of us use all votes tie grit rib regard loadings in what letter we are now learning into in one of the way to jobs of how to do as a presenter on this podcast for this episode i borrowed a nintendo switch from a reluctant eight year old and then play video game with the guardians. Uk technology editor. Alex hun. i'll be honest. I'm not a pro whilst tonight. That's fire yeah. Lots to kill people to jump now. Sometimes you get the circle and it's got little things on that if you wanted to add ons. That's how you do that. If i wanted to do down your owns the basic aim was to kill everyone well. Apart from alex who was almighty. Oh if i may have brought to your left which was good for me but it soon transpired terrible for him because i was absolutely rubbish. This where are they. They all go to like really rubbish. O- news as someone just hit me. I'm crawling crawling across the grass. What can i do not that. I held back in taking the credit. When thanks to alex we won having killed everyone else on this fortnight fantasy island and we want just said want. I said we won. I feel like oh my goodness. My son is not going to be angry that i use for night now that he knows i'm a winner. I go before so. Why was i doing this because it turns out that the video game fortnight is at the center of a major legal battle which has huge implications for the multibillion dollar mobile app economy. The showdown began with epic company. That created for nine saying it was fed up with the way in which tech giants were taking such hefty cuts from app developers that led to arouse that resulted in apple throwing fortnight off all its platforms paving the way for a court case that could ultimately transform the way we use mobile phones from the guardian. I'm initially astana today. Infocus apple versus epic and what it means for the rest of us. So alex way or should i say you just crush the opposition on fortnight and the reason we're talking about this game is because it is the jewel in the crown for the gaming company epic and so it's the reason. The epic is now in this huge legal battle with apple. Let's start with the game itself. Tell me about fortnight. what makes it so popular. So fortnight is probably the biggest game in the world right now it say hundred player while one thousand nine player battle royal game maids ninety nine players get dropped him footlights massive island run around picking up guns and items and materials to build shelters and fight to be the last one alive. It's a former with its roots and things like the hunger games and the cold japanese flick all so we put nineteen nine children on an island. We tell them to fight to the death and then one person's left alive and fortnight as the video version of that but fortnight is very cartoony when you are playing as a walking talking banana. It's hard to view as quite such distressing hard to actually say why. It's quite so huge. It's it's a real lightning in a bottle thing. It jumped on this trend of battle royal gains. It wasn't the first by any means fort might came along and sort of dignified it it both this version of this this summer. That was incredibly easy to pick up and play. You know polls in mechanics from popular games like minecraft it polls in characters from other franchises. Play in fort. Myers lara croft. You can play for. My name is junior now. The is now time this season secrets game. We know it's going to be neymar junior. Crossover between the it's become this. Huge trans media brown also was groundbreaking and other way has cross play amongst every platform. It's on player on the playstation. Could play against someone on xbox who complete someone on a switch to three to announce the theories of fritz. Continuing success is that it's managed to turn itself from being a game into a social space. I don't know if you've ever watched teams play fortnite. The game is almost secondary. It is a place that you can be with your friends way. You're focusing far more on just chatting to them than you are on really playing the game. It's the twenty twenty one equivalent of hopping on a phone. Call with one friend. But you can do it with two or three or four friends and you've just got something to talk about while you're talking enough it. I like playing games like four nine. And here's the thing right. My son's sweat is a bit young for fortnight. But i've bought him two other games and two because they cost an absolute fortune. But this one is free isn't it is nine is one of the first huge successes of the not quite a free to play games in general because free to play have been huge for almost a decade now but previously that had been limited to things like candy crush. Hyper casual gains. The were intended to be picked up by people who would never even think of spending money on a video game what fortnight and games of its generation did was. They brought that to these blockbuster. Games with huge production budgets fought like was kind of the first really big success story from a company going will make more money. If we give everything about the guy away for free to people who would happily have paid twenty forty sixty pounds for game of this quality because if we give it away for free then we get a hundreds of billions of players and be. We can make money on things that we can sell. Weekly monthly daily. You can sell these cosmetic outfits that make you look cool in front of other people that show that your character has been successful in previous games. It's huge in part because of pressure. Cades it's huge in part because of people my age with disposable income who just want to play his batman and will drop five pounds to do so it for cosmetic fortnight is huge. I mean how much did i make. In the court case. We know that fortnite made more than five billion dollars for epic games in its first year. Nine billion over. Its first two years. This is a huge game. That prints money has revolutionized ethics business. Wow so giving it away for free where it's quite well. There's a lot of money in it. Big headline out of epic. It has raised one billion dollars in funding. The company which is best knows known for producing hit game fortnight. Now valujet of twenty eight point seven billion dollars in this round and buying stuff on you know buying it with pounds fundamental to the business model that this game and most of the free to play bones us is it. has its own game currency. In this case it's called the box you buy a box using real pounds but you can also be given them for free for achieving various goals in the game and as a few important ramifications one is that it means that the company can slightly obscure the price of individual lighted if you could buy two thousand bucks for six pounds and four thousand bucks for ten pounds and ten thousand eight bucks twenty five pounds making it harder to compare it to real money. You have fake money in your account you think slightly less about it than you would. If you actually stared down the fact that you were spending two pounds fifty on the ability to make a video game character. Dolts particular arts is obviously huge business for epic. Tell me about the guy who runs this company. Tim sweeney so. He is a video games entrepreneur of the old school. He founded games over two decades ago and then struck gold with fortnight. They probably admit the serendipity gave them this initial success fortnight but they and sweeney then iterative on it with incredible fervor. The company swelled to three thousand two hundred people. They have a relentless released. Sheduled means there's always something new to do in fortnight. now that four is stable mature business. Sweeney's turned his attention to fighting what he sees as a righteous war. These companies are using their control of the operating systems powering devices to exercise monopoly of all commerce to making sure the people who make money from fort nine other people who make four nine un-american uncompetitive but that's a what apple does okay. Well let's talk about that. The other half of it is apple. Tell us what they have got to do with any of this apple make iphones and ipads and macs. Our phones and ipads apple also controls the app store. The only way that you can install software on those devices still has been revolutionary effectively. Created the whole mobile ecosystem which is the main way most people interact with technology. Now what's great about the iphone. Is that if you want to check snow conditions on the mountain. There's an app for that. If you wanna check how many calories are in your lunch. There's an app for that but over the last decade what were initially selling points of the app store. The factor apple vetted every single app on it the fact the apple provided its own payment systems. So that you didn't have to worry about your credit card details being stolen the fact that if an app turned out to be militias are retroactively. Pull it from the app store and stop it. Damaging people's phones. Those were positive selling points a decade ago when installing software that you downloaded from the internet still something that intimidated a lot of people. Apple app store solved that but what they also did was gave themselves a tremendous amount of power as a centralized gatekeeper for an entire industry. Must for an entire sector of the world's economy. Yep there's an app for just about anything only on the iphone apple. These days takes the explicit view. If something happens on. I'll on iphones on the platform. Apple created apple sort of deserves a cut of that economic activity. So how do they get that. They take fifteen to thirty percent of almost every payment made on the app store in two thousand and we introduced a new feature. The iphone called the app store launched with five hundred apps which seemed like a lot at the time. The app store provided a safe entrusted way for users to get more out of their phone. There are exceptions. If you're buying a physical good from an iphone app then apple doesn't take a cut but if you're buying a digital good if you're paying a subscription if you are paying the purchase price of an app that apple takes a flat thirty percent cut it drops it to fifteen percent for small companies and for subscriptions that have lasted for more than a year and since then thirty percent has become. The norm for a lot of other apple was the first movement. But it's it's an outlier in charging that much so epochs issue. Is that every time someone plays fortnight on an iphone or ipad thirty pounds in every one hundred they spend go straight to apple. Straight to apple doesn't even touch picks pockets. How much money are we talking about. How much is spent on goods that apple charges for in this way. Sixty one billion dollars in two thousand nine hundred were spent on digital goods and services and other forty five billion dollars came through in advertising. That's one hundred billion dollar industry of digital services which is unquestionably through the app store. And how. Reliant is a company like epic on this. I mean you're playing on your playstation five. I'm playing on my son's nintendo switch. Who's playing on apple. App pick still has more players on platforms like playstation it makes more money from platforms like playstation but the iphone version of fortnight has been responsible for around five to ten percent of all thought might players since it launched on it and up against a stem is apple's tim. Tell me about tim cook tim. Cook is apple's currency cooks background and apple is actually logistics. He's the person who turned a company that sold quite a lot of computers into a company that was capable of producing and shipping. Tens of millions of iphone selling them for a thousand dollars a piece every year without fail. You want to put it simply products like iphone. Just when his job was just being incredibly good at the details of managing a company with a supply. Chain the size of apple's okay. So on the one side with epic a giant in gaming but kinda like luckily land when you put an apple pretty much one of the biggest companies in the world. How did i end up squaring up for a fight. Initially everything was rosy between epic and apple. Apple really liked the fact that night. The unquestionable game of the moment was available on iphones. It really helped topple boost. Its image of the iphone is a fully featured gaming device. They worked with. I think when ethic had a big public event with the rapid travis scott apple did tien playlists and apple. Music is freezing. That's how we apple invited. Tim sweeney on stage at apple events. Tim sweeney not summer when epic launched. What a hit. Internally called project liberty which was a surprise attack on well on apple and on the iphone app store on the very root it. I sweeney behind the scenes sent a message to apple that. Basically said hey. We are tired of paying this thirty percent cup and we think we should all work together to introduce a new way for us to put the epic game store directly on iphones. We want you to let us put a second app store on it and we won't pay you for that but you'll be able to be the cool people who have a game store on the iphone apple when no i wish on epic did something that that nobody had really expected. Epic decided to try and force apples. Hand it released a version of fortnight on iphones. The let you pay epic directly for feedbacks apple can like that and almost immediately pulled fortnight from the app store entirely. This is going to be the most serious video. I have ever made on my youtube channel. We need to free four-night oklahoma back the four. Nine mobile updating. Today's video is going to be the most insane video. I will ever upload video. We have a very serious discussion. We're talking about four nine versus apple. That was unsurprising. And i pick i think had planned for the eventuality. What happened then. Was i think more interesting epic launched a huge publicity campaign. It really wanted to make this fight very very public fight. This was some back room discussion between lawyers at the two companies. This was epic trying publicly to make apple the villain launched that tv commercial. That was riff on. Apple's famous nineteen eighty-four commercial woman walking through a dystopia environment hurling hammer to big brother esque. Tv screen for epic. It was tim cook on that. Big brother esque tv screen off. It's worth noting at the same time as the app store shenanigans at pick did exactly the same thing. Google chopped off the google. Play store. it exactly the same time in the end the company basically said it could only handle one lawsuit and decided to go after apple because a google tells at least allow you to install apps from other sources on android devices. It just makes it hard. I'm bay i think because apple annoyed tim sweeney. More so epic went after apple. This is not beat. Fortnight is literally going through a lawsuit right now epic battle going on in a california courtroom. Has its roots right here in the triangle. Carry based epic. Games is suing tech giant apple. And the decision could change the entire app world. Cbs seventeenth. this is a really big deal is with consequences that go well beyond the world if people who play fortnite for any of us who used the app store this will determine apple's power over a hundred billion dollar industry and over us as consumers. What is the basis for this case. So the court cases being taken by epic they suit up with a bunch of demands everything ranging from portfolio right back on the app store to force apple to allow us to have other payment systems to force apple to let us with our own app store and iphones but all of them ultimately have the same legal reasoning which is an ethics case. Apple is monopolised. The iphone is so dominant that develop has have to support it. Even if apple doesn't have literal monopoly and smartphones the dominance that the iphone the fact that iphones owned particularly in america by the richest consumers by the consumers most likely to spend real money. Means that if you're making an app in two thousand twenty or twenty twenty one you have to be on the app store. It is a basic fact of the business of mobile development. You have to be the app store if you make a mobile up. And that gives apple angie power and plus abusing that power. Apple's responses doesn't have a monopoly it doesn't have happily in smartphone sold in america because android is huge and while it does control the iphone app. Store the only way of getting onto. Iphones ipads that is a meaningful monopoly anymore than taylor swift has a monopoly in taylor swift songs if you define the market that narrowly had everyone has a monopoly in the thing. They make and argues the even. If it were monopolised the restrictions it puts on the app store all legitimate and they are not done as a malicious way of extracting payments from developers. But they're actually done as a perfectly reasonable way of ensuring that the app store is safe and secure for well. Its uses today to in the high stakes antitrust trial happening between apple and epic games the examination of epochs ceo. Tim sweeney was aimed at weakening. His argument that apple's app store is quote a walled garden that quote traps developers and puts onerous conditions on users. Epics tim sweeney has taken. The stand has an what did he say. He made a really expensive case. Tim sweeney doesn't aim low. He sells fortnight as the first creation of a metaverse his what his well in his eyes fortnight the game is just the beginning of the company attempting to create a virtual space. Where where we will live to be a place where you log on. And i don't know woke up to the guardians virtual placement and interact with stories. The has uploaded to the fort might metaverse wants other rappers to follow travis. Scott and launch albums on the fort might metaverse. it wants to a effectively the successor to the internet. The virtual reality that everything happens on. Do we know what's going to happen if you're asking me to guess i'd say epic will probably lose this american competition. Law is really really hard on plaintiffs. I can't see convincing an american court that that's a meaningful monopoly on. If it can't do that then all of the rest of it falls down ultimately apple does have if it's not a monopolist the right to do what it wants. Its platform coming up. What will the outcome of this case for the two companies involved and for the rest of us today in focus is supported by monday dot com. I work lives have become increasingly digital especially over the past year so picking the right platforms and software can make a crucial difference to your business. Monday dot com is a worker. Wes a customizable platform which teams can manage anything. Projects processes leads client requests or. Whatever your team does with monday. Dot com manages have full visibility of what their team's working on no checking necessary so teams have autonomy yet manages get the assurance they need to focus on the big picture and because it's beautifully designed and super intuitive monday. Dot com is very easy to use from startups ready to become the next big thing to global organizations with hundreds of moving parts teams of any size and industry rely on monday dot com to plan track and manage their work monday. Dot com is. How effective teams meet that goals. If you manage a team visit. Monday dot com via free two week. Trial alex if epic loses. What's at stake for them. I think they've got into a fight. They can afford to lose that five percent of players who still use iphones and ipads epic will forego the upside of growing its smartphone version. As more and more people get iphones into the future but epic is still primarily a video game play games consoles and so it will be able to survive so one sack when they just revert and pay the thirty percent. I wonder i think a i. I'm not entirely sure whether apple would allow them back on. But even if apple allowed pecan. I'm not sure i would go back on it. Spent a year hemorrhaging iphone uses. Many of them will have switched to other platforms anyway. So there's not that much upside for the company going back on. I think epic is quietly confident that even loses the battle. It might still win the war. That's more regulation coming in the eu as american investigations into apple as multiple other lawsuits as state level legislation. Any one of those could give epic the win that it wants now and if apple do when they still damaged as a result of this i think so disclosures that have come out from both sides have been good for either of them. We've seen apple saying things. Like the fact that i message not being on android is good because it makes it harder for iphone users to switch to android. Everyone knows that. But it's a bit embarrassing for apple's executives to be seen saying that in black and white on emails revealed by court and then i think ultimately there will still be players who want to play fortnite on their iphones and knows that apple's not letting pick put it back and apple's two trillion dollar company it's always fighting an uphill battle to portray itself as the wrong upon party and what if apple loses if apple loses. It will be quite deal. There's multiple ways it could lose. Of course i think if it did lose it would be somewhere in the middle and it would probably be a requirement that apple stop forcing companies to use in our purchases and allow companies to use their own payment systems. If that were the case it could be quite transformative right. There are entire industries that don't exist because of apple's requirements. If you're trying to stop. And i phone today. You're it'd be facing the downside before you could pay your office. You have to pay thirty percent to apple straight up then and there. That's not a not a good business. That's not a viable business. There's also a great point of principle at play here which is just off phones. Yours is a phone or computer that you've bought that you have the right to do what you want with or is it a gadget. The ultimately is under. Apple's control that you do apple says you can do with it. I think as a matter of fact right now it's the latter but given the number of people in the world who don't have a computer who live their lives through the phone who rely on it for fat everything they do for that business for their pleasure for their personal communications. There's a good case that it should be the form that we should be talking about right to use your phone as you see fit a requirement to use it as apple. Does so what you're saying is this isn't just a big story. In the geeky tat world it matters to people. May he prefers to go out on a saturday night. I say i do have plans for saturday. And they involve my playstation should not have far more than just in the gaming world. I think what we're talking about here is what the future economy should look like. Should apple be entitled to take a cut. Yep there's an app for just about anything only on the iphone. Alex thank you very much. Thank you so much for having me. That was alex hearn. The guardians uk technology editor. He's been writing about this story. Do look up his pieces at the guardian dot com and look out for his articles covering the rest of the court case. The first apple executive took the stand on monday phil schiller. And we're expecting the chief executive. Tim cook any day now in the episode. Alex mentioned of ongoing investigations into apple last month. European commission charged the company with breaking e competition rules over the way it ran the app store specifically around the music industry apple said it was disappointing that the european commission was advancing. What it called baseless complaints from a handful of companies who simply want a free ride the. Us senate is also holding ongoing anti-trust hearings not just into apple. But into several major tech companies in both cases apple strenuously denies that it runs a monopoly at a senate hearing last month. One of its senior executives stressed both the security. The app store has brought to consumers and the great value it represented for developers describing the thirty percent commission for digital goods as a competitive right. That is for today. My thanks to alex and to the eight year old who let me briefly download fortnight onto then intendo switch. it has since been deleted. This episode was produced by. Sammy can't sound. Design was by ian chambers. 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Mailbag - Star Wars: What Is The Emperors Role in The Rise of Skywalker?

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Mailbag - Star Wars: What Is The Emperors Role in The Rise of Skywalker?

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I was just telling you royals like man people ask me when are you going to be on these select shows, Mike just ask me? I'll be on these shows. I love doing this stuff. This stuff to me is so fun. And I love coming here to CLYDE or do stuff. I loved in the showdown. I I'm so happy that you're having me on the show. Thank you. I y you all are infrared treat Adam is a fun guy to talk about stuff with. So you know, how this works. We get questions from you guys CLYDE video fans, and I get a call about twenty to twenty five of those questions send them off to my guess, my guess picks up five if they really want to talk about. And then we talk about him on the show. I think we've got some great ones in the future. When we put the posts out on social media, Twitter, Instagram look for them, and then send your questions and make sure you put that hashtag Coletta mailbox it makes it easier for me to find. And maybe you don't like social media you smell us. That's mailbag at collider dot com. I also rip through bunch of those to pick out some really good ones. So let's get to our first question comes from Instagram and it's Nathan underscore Ridley asks. Hi, John and insert. That's out of your. Your comes the obligatory Star Wars question what kind of role? Do you expel? Do you expect Palpa we'll be playing in the rise of Skywalker, for example, larger small alive or dead help or hindrance to the first order, etc. Thank you so much for all the joy will content. Adam what do you think Papa tune be doing? First of all thank you for the question. Lots of great questions. I really wanted to talk about this question because I I don't necessarily want to go into nine thinking or blown out of proportion. How much chief team will be a part of this movie. Yes. I really only think that he's going to be a part of one major sequence. It'll probably be somewhere in the second or third act, and I don't necessarily think that he's going to come back in physical form. Like, I think he will come back in some sort of spirit form, and I think it could possibly be something that is going to deal with race trials her final trials to really become whatever the thing that she becomes which I had. No, we're going to talk about in a later question. So I don't think he's going to play a role in the sense. I don't think we're gonna see sheaf team with a lightsaber and fiscal form trying to take on Ray. I think it's gonna be a lot of mind manipulation similarly to what we saw him doing with Ezra and Star Wars rebel. Oh, yeah. So I think that's sort of more of the royalties. It's going to be a physical thing. It's gonna be more of a presence a force presence. But I don't know if it's going to be something where he's going to be integral to the story in terms of like the emperor survived the destruction of the second death star. We have to go after and we have to kill him completely wrong. Maybe he does. Or maybe he's a clone. Or maybe some other crazy force thing. He was able to bring himself back to to life from the dead. But yeah, I really am afraid of people and myself included going to movie thinking like immigration is going to be a supporting character in this movie, implying me emperor. Again, I don't necessarily want to I want to go into it thinking like he's going to be some small thing in the background. That's going to be a big part of race story, but necessarily going to affect the entire overall story of the whole movie. I don't disagree with you. I think that's the thing that keeps coming back. Then I think the trailer betrayed to us. What role palpably it's going to have them by that? I mean, it's a small part of the trailer. So he will be integral, but he will not be a huge. I don't think about bestowed nine I was kicking around ideas of oh, the forest goes up people like well does this mean Luke can come back in some way, like the jet is don't want to hold onto life. That's not near their whole thing. The dark forces do because they want to be able to influence things and destroy things for decades and generations. So I think you'll be in some form. I read a great read it post that drove me insane. This that it's actually a plague is who has attached himself to the death star and had been manipulating palpitation this whole time, and then used Palpa teen to mitt to create a clone of smoke and then smoke has been training a Kylo. So that he can take the players in the long run can. Take over Kylo, and Kyle will be the ultimate bad as and be influenced by players from beginning to end, and then Ray will bring in the old Jedi masters to fight him. So I I don't know. But I I agree with you this idea that it's a force essence not necessarily in physical embodiment. Yeah. I think I think that's a really cool theory. I think the problem that you run into is play games as a character that nobody outside of Star Wars. Lord knows absolutely. You know, like general movie going audiences don't understand that character. So then you then you're stuck then JJ stuck having to tell sort of the Baxter of Dorothy uses and we've got a little bit of an episode three. But you can't assume that everyone has seen episode three or you can't assume that everyone's going to binge watch these movies before this. Yep. So nine idiots like me will. And I'm gonna love it. It's kind of a job. I mean, it's kind of our job to do it. So I'm going to do no matter. What? So. Yeah. I think I think you're I think bringing that sort of deep cut Star Wars lore, and for a lot of people might say like this on Mike for MU general movie going on says kind of is so that that would be amazing. If they did some sort of crazy generational sieve Sieff. If I don't know some sort of like crazy, passing of the torch. But yeah, I think I think it's going to be more of a force essence, and I think I think Luke will come back as a force. Yes. I think they're going to get themselves in new desperate situation. And I think the narration in the trailer is new dialogue. I don't think from the last Jedi. I don't think. So I think he's going to come in and have sort of a presence. And I think palpitations presence will have some sort of an impact on Luke coming back into the story as a force ghost. Yeah. And I think it is not less jet. I because look actually wants to help. So. So all right, Adam what's our next question. Number two. Let me pull it up here really quick. So I was just I feel like I was onslaught it with all these questions, and it was really it was truly really hard to to try to pick five twenty that you sent me. But the second question comes from Instagram from V underscore real era. Boehner score Pierre who asked one needs to happen in endgame in order for it to get the same awards treatment. Hashtag Oscars that the return of the king received. If that franchise could get rewarded for three movies. Surely, the issue should should also get rewarded for its twenty two movies. Also already J for best actor calling it. Now calling it now. When it happens. They'll give it to them. I I don't think it's going to happen because of the bias against comic book movies. You know, I think it will get technical achievement awards for the Oscars. Absolutely. But look at the film's over nominated recently. It's almost an afterthought that these characters are superheroes. Right. Black Panthers about the father son thing in about becoming king. And what to do when you're king? Oh, and he's also Black Panther Logan. Logan. Is it wasn't on invest picture? But certain screenplay Logan is more of a western where he happens to be wolverine. I think this is very central to being a superhero these avengers storyline. So I'd be very surprised at it'd be nominated. It doesn't have the same kind of regal attention that the Lord of the rings got is not that old Middle Earth old school stuff. So I don't think it'll get the same attention, even though I would argue it should. Yeah. I think I think you're completely hundred percent writing Hollywood loves their old school. You know, they're they're period piece. Movies. Even the Lord of the rings is a fantasy. It still is a period piece of sorts and an epic and an epic. Yeah. And to be completely honest. I don't really think marvel really cares that much. I think it does happen. Great like, they make so much money at the box office, and people just they've won people over so much over the last ten years that their trajectory is just constantly going up. That's all I think that they can ask in hope for. Yeah. Every time I read an interview with Kevin fi, the one thing, and it really goes back to just how humble he is about this whole experience in this whole thing is how he always from the beginning was just like, I just hope people love the characters and the characters are were import what are most important to me and hope people just love the movies, and they love the journey that these characters go on look, I think that and I don't know how many years maybe a decade or so Kevin foggy will get some sort of lifetime achievement award. Oh, sure. Whether it's from the academy or any other organization in Hollywood he will. And I think he or has already gone, I think one might have been from the producers guild. I'm not sure, but I. I think that to me is is greater than any sort of singular Academy Award for one movie. The fact that Kevin fi in his little team of people in a tiny little office in two thousand six two thousand seven started planting the seeds and building the marvel cinematic universe and not knowing if it was even going to succeed, but just like kind of throwing all their chips in and going. Well, if it doesn't work, you know, Merrill, Lynch will just take the properties take our all of our characters from us, and we're kind of done, so they really roll the dice on a gamble. So whether or not these movies individually get nominations, I don't think that is reflective of the impact of the marvel cinematic universe has had in Hollywood on comic books themselves. Also on comic book at adak adaptations, like I mean, the marvelous I mean every studios now trying to replicate a cinematic universe for better for worse and Marvel's the one that has consistently performed like done incredible job telling stories, and even when they faltered with things like I do. I don't like Thor the dark world at all. But regardless of how that movie did they are constantly moving forward. They're not letting that get in the way of them telling their overarching story. So I don't know. I think like an Oscar would be cool for something like infant, you're. I think you're right. I think technical achievements. And superhero movies will always get some sort of technical nomination. Black Panther being one of the only ones the first one that like has gotten a little bit more than that. But you also have to remember that like the dark. Knight is also responsible for that how happening so as much as the academy likes to sort of be like these movies are silly. There are very where moments and rare opportunities where they do recognize the impact these movies have. And so, you know, I think endgame I think the real test is going to be in ten fifteen twenty years. Are we still talking about these movies? And if we are then those movies did their job yet. He told incredible stories, and it doesn't matter what sort of awards that guide. It's the impact that they made on culture and on people get added anymore. That adam. Third question. It's from Steve Calderon's an Email. Hey, John and guessed what are thoughts of another tomb raider movie with at least you can't returning his lower craft being developed. I enjoyed the movie that we got Roca. I remember from me review with Perry that you didn't like the reboot as much in your opinion. What should the filmmakers do or not do in the seagull with the story and the crop character to make this a better movie if it happens at so you're not a fan of the it was not overall fan? I had some issues with other candor was good. But I thought the overall story seemed a bit shoved in and ham handed run than a rather than actually laid out as an origin story. Sure. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. I I actually surprising. I've really liked that movie. I went into it with very low expectations. Only thing that I had hoped for was like, well, I hope it's just like a really fun adventure that I'm sort of invested in if I'm not necessarily invest in all the characters as long as Lara for the most part kind of works for me, and I can kind of get past all the other things that don't work because I went into it thinking like it's a it's a adaptation of a video game. Yeah. And historically those have. Never really been that. Great. And I was sort of willing to go in there like, okay, cool just make it fun and make an enjoyable if I likely civic candor as Lara Croft, then you've kinda won me over. And hopefully, if it does well enough that for the sequel, you'll really start to figure out how to tell a better story. So I think that would be sort of my biggest ask is keep the adventure. Keep the fun. Let's explore a little bit more. Let's get a little more depth of Lara Croft in terms of her as a character. And let's set it off on some really really fun adventure in a new destination. This one felt really Indiana Jones E to mean in terms of also it's setting. Let's see if we can do something. I I feel like a lot of these adventure movies tend to do like desert or forest tropical sort of setting. Let's go into let's do something. Like national treasure to me is fun because it's like, oh, we're going through cities. And we're trying to find treasures along the way. And I would obviously I would like to get a female perspective on this on this thing. So we could get you know, someone who is like a Patty Jenkins or a Michelle McLean. Iran or a Kathryn Bigelow someone of that? Or even someone brand new like, I think that's also a really really great opportunity to look at the indie world and see what young up and coming female filmmakers are making and giving them an opportunity because I guarantee you will find at least a handful who love Lara Croft as a character and love that video game and can say something really cool about it. And like I liked the father daughter relationship. I think you can also expand that a little bit with some more flashbacks or however you want to do, but I I would love to see it. I if they did it I would really really like to see it as a two days ago or three ago from us recording this deadline announced that there is a sequel in the west with them. Amy jump is writing at she's worked with Ben Wheatley. They've done free fire. She's also done kill list field an England sightseers in high rise. So it's happening. It's happening. Alicia says she's excited to come back because I think they said that she's excited to come back because of the attachment of Amy jump the first film was made for ninety four million it made two hundred seventy four minutes. Biza money, by Hollywood standards. It made money would like it to make more. So maybe in the sequel my suggestion along with what Adam was saying, I will add on some more with trinity turning me as a massive fan of those video games at rarely played games anymore. But tomb raider, I always get that one in play it all the way to the end. It's a great world of fantastic. And great adventures as some good villains. I would like to see more of trinity come out in this. And that's that's what I thought was missing in the first movies wall gardens part of it. But how is he part of it? What's the back story? Let's flesh that a little bit more and also include more team members. Yeah. That's what's great about Laura Croft. Even in the the Jolie versions, she has team members, helping her I think that would enrich the world more in terms of tomb raider. Yeah. I agree. I agree. And I think you know, I think the last thing really quickly is also setting it apart from Indiana Jones and Nathan Drake world. Yeah. You get Croft people walk out of it. And it's like, oh, it's like uncharted. It's like, it's lar lacrosse, exactly. Yeah. What's our next question? Next. Question comes from Twitter at badger cheese. Eighty four. I love that hand. Later me back, Dr Esther, Roca and super awesome. Guess doctor? Looks eases moving on up in life. Yeah. Just rewatch the back to the future movies. Do you think spinoff movie could work around the around this premise, a young up and coming science kit finds the plans for the time machine and rebuilds it new characters new story, I initially would push back against this. And then I thought about it more. And I was like, yes. This could absolutely what Christopher Lloyd is still alive. You can still have them be part of this. And why wouldn't you re you can certainly do a spin up reboot a spin off and make it happen. If he's going on all these different adventures naturally, eventually mardi would get too old to go on these adventures who's going to go with him. Maybe there's a new kid who stumbles upon it. I go to back to Dr Who it's very correlated to doctor who always finding a new companion and a new doctor who every time, but Christopher Lloyd is the commonality here could be the access with the DeLorean the kid in Vincent. And then boom runs into the into the dock. And then they go on an adventure. And now you've got a new franchise. I think it'd be possible. Yeah. And I think I think Bob Yellen Robertson meccas, I think they've said that as long as they're alive, and universal cannot remake that move. All good. Because I think they hold the rights to the movie itself, I think universal distributor, but that being said I sort of had the same like you did at first I was like, I don't I read the question come on. What why why what do we need to remake this fort? Then I read it again. I thought well you not necessarily pitching a remake pitching a continuation of that story. And we're kind of in a time right now, we're continuations of stories from the seventies and eighties is somewhat popular. I mean, we just have Mary Poppins Hala weaned came out right Star Wars like all this stuff. And I'm I'm I agree. I'm not necessarily against a bringing in a new character to accompany doc or mardi or somebody to sort of continue on the legacy of back to the future. I think the challenge that you run into how do you make it feel like it's part of the back to the future universe without just retracting? What they already did in two thousand fifteen I remember thinking like man to be so fun of back to the future. The new one came our BTF four BTF four, and it was a new character. Going into nineteen eighty-five running into Marty. As also time traveling. You know, like, there's all these things that you could do that. I think could be a lot of fun. So I'm open to it. I I think Christopher Lloyd. I believe he's in his like seventies or eighty. So I think most this movie would be this new character county Marty is in the first one he goes on his venture alone and runs into into doc Brown in insert in previous years of his life. Right. So I think there's opportunities to do that and explore that and even setting a character on this journey by themselves, and like how does that affect them without having somebody like doc Brown who do they meet along the way? Yeah. That is maybe equally science a science nerd, or maybe this new character isn't even into he just stumbled upon and he has to meet someone who is into time travel and all the source of going to adventure together. There's so many opportunities, but I just wouldn't want them to simply remake the first one because I would sort of betray the epic nece and the fun and the majesty of the of the original trill trolley agree. Adam, absolutely. Promote our last question because this is a doozy. It's from Ian lamb. It's an Email rights. Hello, roken, esteemed guests, well, esteemed look at that. What you think episode nine title? The rise of Skywalker means for the future of rate. I believe what Lukin Yoda said episode eight will especially ring true, come this, December jed is you know, it will be done and the age of Skywalker will reign Ray will not identifies a jet. But as Skywalker, and if Kylo Ren is redeemed, he will be the jet. I going forward making the jet the anti heroes. What do you to think? Adam I agree with this. We talked about this on hyper heroes last week when celebration stuff was happening. And I think people were confused by the title, the rise of Skywalker thinking like os, Luke is gonna come by. Reagan get adopted and become a scout. No. I think Skywalker is going to be the of what Djeddai is it's going to be the new title that that this that this group of warriors is going to adapt. And it's going to be a tribute to the Skywalker family for everything that they've contributed to the universe. Good and bad. You know, you've got Lucan you've. Laya? And I think so I think that's what that's going to evolve into it's going to be Ray accepting who she is what she's become where her training has really come from. It's come from Luke's, you know training. However, you want to look at that training. But I think also it's going to come from the wisdom of laya that she's gone over the years of being with her while they've tried to rebuild the resistance to take on the first order. Yeah. And in terms of Kylo, Ren. Yeah. I mean, maybe it's possible that the term Djeddai the old thinking of what the jet I is will sort of become the anti-europe because we don't really ever hear the term Sieff new trilogy. I we only really hear them referred to Kylo Ren as a member of the first order. So if sip is sort of this like bygone term or this era that is no longer in existence and that will maybe explore with palpitation. I do think that Skywalker is going to be sort of the next level. Nev- Lucien of what the jet I character will become. Yeah. I think so too. And you know, seeing all these articles Kevin Smith and people were saying, right? After the panel was over within an hour or two that Skywalker may be the new jet. I so please stop looking at these articles in all these other people came up with it a lot of fans came up with and we all had because we're all analytical who love Star Wars to pieces. So we all kind of figured out. Oh, this could be this. That would be awesome. And you're right added like the both good and bad with Skywalker have contributed. The has to be a legacy here. You know, they say it's the end of the Skywalker legacy in terms of the family. But the idea of the Skywalker will still go forward. And I think that's a positive overall. I don't know that the jet. I will be a Kylo and then negative things. We'll see I am not in the Kylo Ren get redeemed gets redeemed camp by one them to die. But we'll see how that plays out. Now, this idea of the grey jet. I that's what I come back to right? They've never explored the great jet. I a Soka tunnels, essentially a great jet. I it's these jets that are not necessarily adherent to what the council tells them to do. But they're still good jet. I they just kinda crossed the line of what the council thinks they should do. And even. Quite gone Jin was a little bit of a great jet. I so this what I think is Skywalker is going to take that form of the great jet. Because Ray Ray will kill no problem for sure. And that is what you want is a new version of the Jeddah. And that could be Skywalker. And I look forward to seeing what that is. That's what I think the future is for Ray. And who knows down the road if daisy really comes back to this property because I don't think they're gonna take a massive break from that particular story and maybe come back later. She gets older I will say I kinda need it. I got a little bit burned out by shar wars. And like as a massive Star Wars fan hurts to say. Yeah. So I'm looking forward to seeing what they do next nights. All the public whatever it is. I would like to revisit fin rape. Oh in some distant future. And to see how the Skywalker has evolved. 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Shadow of the Tomb Raider

Polygon's Quality Control

28:59 min | 3 years ago

Shadow of the Tomb Raider

"Your business is built on bold ideas. Bring them to life faster, push them further and scaled him worldwide, without skipping a beat. Using Microsoft Azure, stay productive with familiar tools, develop and deploy where you want with a consistent hybrid environment in building gauging apps with intelligent features, joined the startups, governments and ninety percent of the fortune five hundred businesses running on Microsoft cloud by starting your free account at Azure dot com slash trial, that's as e. u. r. e. dot com slash trial. My guest today are Chris Plante and Dave tech. My name is Charlie hall, and today we're talking about shadow of the tomb raider polygons quality control. Chris Plante. How the heck is this morning? I'm doing well. How about you? Not too shabby. Dave tech. Thank you also for joining us. It's good to be here. You guys have been playing a lot of time into shadow of the tomb. Raider and Mr. plants you put up polygons review of the game. I think we'll pick what kind of start with you. You say that shadow of the tomb? Raider is the combination of one of the more perplexingly introspective trilogies in big budget, video games. What about this trilogy is weird because honestly, I haven't touched any of it and you know what? You're not alone. I think that's been a problem for the series is the initial sales of each game. Hey, has not always been great. I think eventually it's one of those games that does well in bundles are at steep discounts later on yet they've, they've had trouble finding an audience and what I what I mean by that is. Beginning with the first game, you get the sense that the people who are rebooting tomb raider are super comfortable with the history of tomb raider in understandably. I think all of us are old enough to remember the ad in marketing campaign for the nineteen Ninety-six tomb raider and the kind of like, hey, we have this character that we're going to prison a playboy model host in that comes first and then her doing the Indiana Jones stuff comes a bit second. So with the first tomb raider in in this reboot, it was all about. We're going to give this character gaffe which somebody's accomplished in some ways. I think it was a bit formulaic. They also started a different direction, which is we're going to make this grim, which led to just a tremendous amount of violence. In these games. I think the original games are is something almost cartoonish and playful about them where holy moly the death sequences in this game seem to imitate like the softens or torture porn where yeah, it was. It was pretty. It's a lot of like she doesn't just like fall in a pit. It's like she falls in a pit. And you see spikes come through her neck and her gurgle some last breasts in in that stuck with a series through and through. I think what's interesting about the tomb raider is it builds on all of it. I like both the good bits and the bad bits it more than I think any game in the trilogy really antagonist as the tomb raider like it. See it is a game that at least I really wants to explore what sort of guilt should Laura Croft have for both her and her family for go. Going to all these locations across the world ineffectively destroying their integrity and their culture and the process of, you know, perhaps may be saving the world how Ellen accomplishes that, I think is something we'll we'll get into a bit later in the podcast. And then the other end of that is this is also just an extremely violent in bloody game. There are desiccated corpses everywhere there puzzles that involve solutions that are pools of oil and blood. It's really dark place to to spend a lot of time at times. And then other times very, very colorful and Brighton and joyful it strange. It's, it's really wild to hear this kind of self reflective take on this series. You say Croft is an air, not just at the wealth of her aristocratic tomb plundering parents, but also their cry. Crimes. What do you mean their crimes? What what would even this is a whole other layer? Yeah. I mean, I don't wanna get too deep into the spoiler in, you know, in crops are discovery, but I don't think it's any secret if you've played any of the games to know that her father was doing what she was doing before she was doing it and that he, he too was going from locale to locale pillaging to spin and presumably destroying things throughout all three of these games. The little redo here about him is that he was probably a raging ego maniac. Probably a workaholic, probably somebody who thought his his desire to do good outweighed all all of the harm he was doing in the process in shadow the tomb. Raider is not subtle in suggesting that, you know. Those traits did not fall too far from the tree. Now for somebody like me, who's going to step away from the franchise free generation or more Dave? What what is the game play like on this? It's, I don't believe it's first person, third person action, I believe right. Right? Dive deeper that for me, there's some somebody should draw if they haven't already like this sort of circle chart or graph about how the original tomb raider from twenty years ago eventually inspires the uncharted series, which eventually inspires the tomb raider reboot, which inspires uncharted, which inspires tomb raider like this. There's this whole sort of virtuous circle of influence here. And if you've ever touched and uncharted game, you know what the tomb raider reboot games are. Like, I mean, I guess ad or last of us. Sure. Like what's interesting is it's not just ninety dog. This uncharted. The comment and last of us is pretty flagrantly borrowed and then two major series. Yeah. And if you've liked any of those games, I think the odds are pretty good that you'll like these games because they feel familiar. A different protagonist, a different story, but the same sort of big set pieces, climbing up, walls, cameras panning out to show you beautiful vistas, that kind of thing in it's, you know, it's a tomb raider game and just as be- name would imply like a lot of what you do is raid tombs. And as as you said earlier, Chris, it's a game that doesn't it. It's a game that genuinely asks like, hey, wait a minute. What if. Tomb rating isn't good. You know what I mean? From from from a certain, you know, look, there are real world implications here too, right? Or parallels at least right. Like the British Museum is full of things from other places, and in some sense, like there's an argument to be made that that that's not the worst thing in the world, and then there's an argument to be made. It's like, well, maybe what you have. There belongs to other people even if people from your country found it and the game wants to confront that in in in various ways that I think in one sense, I think it's admirable that the game wants to do that. Right? Like it's not just a shrug it off. I'm going to do this and not even sort of think about it. It's a very twenty eighteen sort of take on it right. On the other hand, it's a video game, and I don't know how you make a tomb raider game. Without like just burning it to the ground. Like it's not a game that that that is interested in pretending that tomb raider is no good and like we're done with this franchise forever. But it tries, you know. To varying degrees of success to to wrestle with that. 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It makes so that everybody speaks in their native language. But since everybody's fixing a native language, nobody speaks to each other in there in a shared language. So you'll have a sequence where Lara Croft is in disguise. As you know, some member of this native tribe and or culture in she will be trying to get past. You know, guards who are also presumably part of this group, and she'll speak in perfect British English, and they're like, Yep, checks out. Even though they respond to her in in the local highlight and it's like, well, what is going on? Like? Why? Why does everybody seem to know the same languages? No, everything. Which really it's really, really strange. And then the weirdest part is. I didn't know this until until I was writing about it. I looked up quotes from the development team about why? Why does it work like this? It it. It seems so contrary, you would think the immersion mode would be there any number one ways that could've gone. I mean, so much of the site quest of this game is Laura learning new languages, so she can read these these objects, and that could have been one way right? Like you could block off who she can talk to and show. She knows the language. There's anything you could have done with it, but the what? The brain director at Krystal. Nine hammocks said during e three. This is an interview with gamespot. He said, you'll hear Spanish. When you go into certain hubs, you hear everyone talking to you and Yucatan my win. You go into the hidden city. So the idea that the player cannot actually know what's going on and not know what people are saying. If they want that level of immersion, which is not what immersion is like, the emergent isn't like you. The third par. I'm Nick character doesn't know what's going on, but everybody including Laura Croft does know what's going on. Like that's strange that the the intention here was for you to hear other languages, but actually know less about what these people are trying to communicate in. That seems to be a problem throughout this game, going off of what day was saying about the, you know, the MVP of criticizing tomb raiding or really a lot of parts of the series. I think people's. Interest in this game, we'll go with like, what is your comfort level with that? Like I think there are. There are a lot of fantastic reviews for this game across the internet. And I think there are some people who do kind of fall in the camp of, basically, you have to burn this all down. Like there isn't much of a an escape route or redemption for a series that is built on the theft of history and the destruction of culture by, you know. Young white woman from Britain with all the colonial imperialistic, you know. Nods that come with that. Then I think in my review, I felt a little more into the camp of it's really interesting watching this game that one hundred percent is one thing try to be to be more than that and to be better than that. And even though it it does fail, I find it really, really interesting to watch it, try to succeed and encouraging, but maybe I'm being generous with them, but I found that. Entertaining, all entertaining. I know a perfect word for it, but it was really fascinating to watch alongside if you drop all of this. What I think is a fantastic exploration in shooter game on on just a raw mechanical level, Dave, what's what? What does this game do mechanically different though, from those other entries in this kind of crowded? Ven diagram as you describe it? I'm not sure that it's mechanically different so much is that it's mechanically significant, right? It you'll okay. It feels really good to move around to shoot to collect things to target things like it is a and I think you agree with this, Chris, like it is a very good feeling game. Yeah, definitely, definitely. Yeah. I think that is probably the. I don't know if it sounds like faint praise, but for a game that is really about exploring these. I guess what I would call small to medium sized open world environments, the exploration because the game feels so well put together and feel so easy to control it. It's a point in its favour because those two things mesh so well together. Yeah, I think if you compare it with the naughty dog games, it is not as masterfully cinematic in fluid as those games are as a number of chase sequences that I think are really, they're nice, they're, they're fun. Their impressive in their own way, but they're not. They're not that naughty dog. Oh, wow. I'm playing the movie, but the flipside is you feel way more in control of Lara Croft than you do of Maytham Drake or what's his name? Joel Joel. Generic name Joel. Sure, yeah, Rabat's Kevin, she, it just has a lot more fun with movement. The climbing feels good. It feels dangerous and and they just, they always keep you. I think a little overpowered in terms of the combat which does not necessarily always align with the story, but does make for very, very fun action sequences in which you. I mean by a third of the way into the game, I paying day of the second. I got this. You'll come across a crowd of villains in even if you just if you just upgraded your pistol, it'll be silenced. You can distract to dudes, pick them both up at the pistol get the attention to another guy, light him on fire with a flare gun which blinds everybody around them, and then sneak behind them in like stem, both in the back or climate tree and like leap onto. Them while they're all blinded, it's it's. So there are so many number of ways to feel just absurdly powerful in. In some ways, I guess you could say it plays into it Laura cross actual story in the game, which is that she has become a deranged. I mean, just truly murderous monster driven by her need to be the person who always saves the day. And then she kind of, I guess, pivots away from that. Maybe we'll see. I think your mileage may vary depending on how you read the ending. Well, this is the twelfth game in the main franchise series on PC consoles. It's it's the twenty fifth game. If you count all the mobile spin offs that the game has had, where do you go from here? Gentlemen, so that I think that's the question that the game wrestles with, and I, I don't know what the answer to that is because underlying a lot of what we've talked about so far, is that sort of. Tension between they've got something good here, but it might be uncomfortable at least from a certain point of view, right? And the story from the very beginning wrestles with that all of that stuff like that, that basically crazy in your control cinematic, shoot a flare gun. Distract guys sneak by all that kind of stuff happens. As a sort of great example of the tension within the game because the game is trying to also sort of questioned the methods of the person who does this, and it's not like the people aren't bad guys like that's not in question, and it's not that the things that you often need to do to save the day. It's not like those things are bad or necessarily morally ambiguous, like bad people are doing bad things to good people, and you're the force for good to stop the bad people. That's generally the thrust of it. But if you stop, you know, there's that suspension of disbelief is what I'm saying right? If you stop for a moment, you go like, well, there's there's no spoilers, but there's essentially what amounts to a side quest. Maybe a third of the way into the game where exactly what I describe happens, right? Bad people essentially doing bad things and holding good people host. Edge and the people like explicitly ask for your help. And the way that I wound up, helping them would just putting a lot of EROs into people's heads and like again, good versus bad, bad guys are gone. Good. People are free. I'm the hero. That's fun. On the other hand, like you end that again, what's affectively a quest in go back with like you just kinda shrug it off and everybody else shrugs at often everybody's happy and it's like, well, it's a little weird if you think about it. The best part of this the crested day was talking about the very bad about this for me and is like the tiniest, tiniest or spoilers. It's a very, very small side mission is that you do this. You go out, you murder. These people who also, I mean there presumably bad guys. They're also presumably basically been tricked into working for a really evil company without necessarily doing what they're doing. But then you go back to the the guy who asked you to save the day and he's like, oh, I can only pay you by giving you this precious, heirloom, the family gun near like, oh, I shouldn't take. You should give that to your son and he's like, oh, no, no, no, no. He's going to be a doctor and time. And again, it seems like there's this Wayne from the game of like, oh, no, no, no, no. Like what you do is you are a killing machine and we do not idolize you. In fact, we were kind of unloading the onto you in terms of what where it goes from here though. For me, I was discussing this with a lot of people on social media this morning and got a lot of feedback. My my initial thought was. Oh, the path that I for a moment thought this game would take, but it doesn't. Is Laura Croft tests to step out of the way in maybe that is her taking a very supporting role. As I said, like the queue from JAMES BOND films and it being about people who are from these various areas across the world. Then thieving modern museums of all the objects that have been taking from them. So how how that would were a Kounose. I I, it's not a real thing that would never happen. But even then the question is Laura is still white savior, and that's like the one of the biggest problems with the game. It still boils down to this idea that without without rich. White of western Laura Croft. How could these people possibly save the day in in? That's not fix. So I, I mean, I don't know. And like I said, even though the game doesn't fully, I think grapple with all the stuff at wants to. I do think by the very end, it is also at a place of yet. It beats us like, who knows where this series is gonna go from here. We certainly don't want to commit to anything was I think the kind of message of the game by the end, we'll definitely conversations were had behind the scenes over here polygon between the the writers and the editors on the various pieces that we've written about tomb raider went up this week in the game, has our polygon recommends badge? Does it not? It does in this one. I Iraq my my head against a lot. I think. I think it's a test of of what the polygon recommends. Badge is an can be in that it is a problematic game. There is a lot about it that doesn't work. I, I think it is inherently worth playing in watching because it is really trying something in even failing in it. It is so so fascinating that it's worth taking a look at David. I've talked about this again of, you know, so many AAA games don't even make the effort. They, they see the degree of difficulty and the risk and the potential blowback. So they just don't do it. And when I just really enjoyed this game trying in for that, I, I really do recommend people if even if they can't play it to watch it somewhere to watch a recap of watch YouTube videos to to really take some time to read criticism about it because I think it's going to inspire so many interesting conversations this season, at least I hope it does. I hope it doesn't get lost in the flood of video games that are about hit the market that you're kicking off. This whole polygon recommends initiative here with problematic. Fave Chris, Plante. I really appreciate you really. For so you mean a a video game. A triple a video game. I think what you just described. Thank you guys for taking the time today and thanks to you at home for listening. We've got a lot more on polygon dot com. I'm sure I don't actually know what that is, but because we're recording this episode Wayne advancing a week early, but while you're here, have you subscribed to our YouTube channel. It's a whole lot of fun. 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Game Scoop Episode 611

Game Scoop!

1:05:30 hr | 6 months ago

Game Scoop Episode 611

"What's up everybody. Welcome tiejian game scoop demon hadfield joining me. This week is tina. Amini lion lion. Justin davis to sam claiborne. Everybody we've got a great show for you this week. Talk about the future of the tomb. Raider series talk about well even playing which will include more hitman and the recently released cyber shadow. But i i wanted to share was recently gifted for my birthday. This is f. f. dot. Is anyone familiar with this one. No this book well. This is the pixel art final fantasy. Oh my goodness gang. The gang's all here our friend. The red mia retina. which man. It's it's gorgeous greg. That's actually the red wizard right. Yeah that's original crew when they're a low unhealth. Oh he's look down. Look at the various little horns spider. Whatever he was. I figured out there called fighter becomes barbarian right. Yeah it's pretty cool. Yeah f f dodds. It's available on amazon air published. That man no. I'm sorry darkhorse with squares permission though it's official really neat gang spicy one or is it the pixel art. So it's you know through the first. What six games does gameboy. I i haven't i haven't dug deep into it yet. I wonder if they count that because some of those games were not fun. Fantasy games and found fantasy adventure tina. I've been very much looking forward to hearing your thoughts on hitman. We talked about it last week. Yeah i was bummed. I missed the first inaugural hit men episode normal. Yes but i love it so far. Very sm- Slow roll into things as you can imagine since it's supposed to be a very methodical approach. Only done the first two missions in cold. I two targets or set of targets rather I imagine i have the same opinion as you guys. All do like the hitman series always been known for doing things very different and wacky ways so comparing notes behind the scenes as one of my favorite things to do. What approach did you take. Although i think i i feel like i'm taking those mainline approach every single time because it's like. The main story approaches that the most viable. I'm not very. I can't tell mission. To even gives you the option to do different things such a different like storyline that you're following but the first mission you and i. We know we did the most possible. Different things imaginable. Like i thought. I was playing the wrong game after we talked to finish. Think like the. there's always slight variances in how you can get a thing or like. Get someone into a specific room. There's always the poison approach and you can just hope that you pick the right glass of whiskey or whatever for them to drink if you happen to have poisoned on you or find it somewhere be. I've just been following all the like plotlines and whatnot. So i played my mice game of clue two nights ago to finish that second mission. I guess you could. You could probably kill a lot more people and get away with it the second mission if you wanted like there's so many security guards and everything it's like technically you could stop them all in boxes and probably would change much but you would be playing for your score. Have definitely that they realize stuffy game so you gotta be selfie okay. So you're not supposed to be a hitman. Well a very intentional hitman. Yeah no sneak. King urine professional. What about if you knock them out and stash them. Does that affect your score now. That's good that's good. Yeah that's okay. So that's it is total stealth like metal gear. Rules out exactly you can like you can subdue them and then you can like crack their neck or whatever. The prompt is for that that yeah exactly just avoid that. We'll do you think they wake up. Otherwise i don't think they do unless the whole nation. Okay yeah you got them properly okay. Bushes boxes games freezes the best when you get caught dragging a body. And they're like. Oh it's so disrespectful. You treating a body that way this a human being and it's like the realize i'm playing as a hitman in this new game right. There's also people that'll be like. I think that person's dead they they wouldn't know. How do they know they shouldn't make out so much. Sweat people more people need to know. Cpr they i like an dialogue with. Nbc's is is sometimes hilariously random. It's like i'm going to swear just for if any of your listeners. Kids are gonna swear just a moment. There's like one time. I approached approached the guard and he was just like he's like. Hello sir how are you. But i i took like one more step towards him he was like i will fucking in you now just like who. Which would be fair. you know. Very free appropriately matched for real life like one line barrier. You know you you ever on the bus. And there's that yellow do not cross the yellow mind gotta have boundaries. I didn't yeah. That's the thing about hitman. Go again. This is all new to me that i didn't realize that just standing next to people is seen as aggressive earnings which it is in real life right. So sometimes you're saying is people who'd be giving some space. I'm like oh. I didn't even realize i video game. I'd even realize you to give this person space. I thought i was the only person that mattered here. Yeah it's funny. It really breaks the mold at definitely. Had like where you're where you're mid cut scene dialogue with an empty and then like zooms out back into the game world and suddenly there's a question mark like why are you in. My face was like we were just having a conversation. I thought everything is exactly you're still you're still streaming on switch. Yeah it's total disaster I thought like a weekend it would be like and by the way i like the game so much that i'm continuing to play but yeah you shouldn't pay for this game. It would be wrong for you to do that. It's it's doing this thing of last week. It was doing a thing where it was like. You know you're you're The server is experiencing this so you're slowing down warning this this week. I'm not really getting warnings anymore. But it'll do which. I explain this week which is so funny and i'm glad i'm taking it as a funny things. Don't do anything but like you'll be walking and then whatever button you press last whether it's forward back up or down you just keep doing that and you're just locked in while the server catches up it's brutal and that's why you keep on having people be like. What am my face ceremony again. You about it automatically. I really really really sorry. I'm not gonna kill you. i'm not gonna kill you. Plus the joy contract. That's just such a recipe phrase. It's total it's it's it's like extreme joy con drift. This would be like it. Should be a great thing to challenge people on if we had a game show around it. It's just like an impossible to play a game controller upside down but for the mission on right now and if you're really stealthy and you really do well it's like you know it doesn't really matter too much out. Free throw on the. Don't play this game on switch if someone was approaching you and walking towards you and getting closer to closer and saying i'm not in control of this i'm not gonna i'm not gonna kill you. Control this person just long keeps walking that wall that guy in san francisco before it sounds like a two thousand ten screw attack. Video didn't happen Yeah even playing on. Ps five in the game is intended to have an always online connection. And that's the one thing. One thing i don't like about it because there is more more than one occasion where the game i lost my connection and it just kicked me out and give you the title screen. And that's what's up with that man. I have an always on connection story for you. I got a new. Tv and trying things on its to see things are going. I wanted to see like the one twenty hertz on xbox and stuff I put in call of duty for the first time and i really wanna play a little bit campaign I cannot play call of duty like it goes to the title screen. It's his sign. Up for an activision account and i was like no. I'm not gonna do this so if you do that. You can go off line right. Well if you go off line just bounces right back to sign up for the exhibition of catholic. You can't you have to play with an activision account. So i try to sign into an act created an activation account on the thing. You know using the prompts. Get through it. I completely crashes out freezes i reboot the whole thing quebec in re sign up for an email account again freezes the whole thing i start looking this up online. People have called judy crash all the time. Xbox i just can't play the game there's no way for me to play it. If they just had an offline damn game and i could play the damn campaign offline. i'd be fine but instead i'm locked in this hell loop of like signing up for an activision account. It's it's totally broken. Yeah amazing. I had a similar i downloaded and installed out seventy six. Because it's on game pass. I'm like maybe it's it's been several years of here. It's better now tried out. I got i got stuck in a similar hell loop with my bethesda count and never got it resolved and then deleted fall out seventy six. I feel like we. There should not be an additional account. Layer. we are on xbox live that is what should be the all inclusive account like expertise to work this out. Like i know you need to pay for subscriptions for some games and that's just like purchasing a game so that's part of the store the key don't need to have this every game now. Has this like separate third party additional log. it's your online is expo. It says that's the most frustrating thing that called. Vdi hey you're online. Is your screen name. Welcome and it's like side into your activision account online. It's the same with You even steam is not immune from this ubisoft games on steam. All require you play. Yeah yeah it's at least. There's that whole like you know platform connectivity thing. Yeah exactly that's the but really only in this generation and very selectively so it's more of a like a vision of the future than anything super substantial. Right now yeah. I did play astronaut in the end though and that game Jumping really really need a great showcase of the controller and everything. So that's exactly what else show people when they come over and it would not allowed ever again to see what the ps five is all about because no other games are doing that stuff. That's the first time. I felt the controller. Do that. even the can't so the camera i've been playing on. Ps five hitman three and even like the key to press the camera button. And has that resist a like. Oh it's a real camera. i'm like cool even at least on a standard level who've been uses a real care everything on ours touchscreen phone so that i don't know how realistic it is. It actually feels like an inhibitor. I'm like damn. I suck at taking photos. Apparently whole other gameplay realm and i've used real cameras before that's not what they feel like. Yeah they're not that difficult to push. So sam what are you on hitman. Three i'm i think i'm at the end of the the second mission i am stuck wandering around and wandering off cliffs and stuff trying to figure out a clue thing but i think i'm almost done with that and that's not the case file as it. Yeah but i mean. I think as you were telling me like i have like i really do. Like compare all the clues right now right so i know i have. I have a thing in my head. Like i know what i'm supposed to be. I'm kind of excited to go back and play. I'm gonna try to go into an area where i'm not allowed to go into doing something that i'm gonna. I'm like yes. It's going to be so i'm really excited about doing that. Yeah that's a good telltale thing like if something is you know how if you if you see like a bunch of loot chests and places like the boss fights about to happen equivalent the equivalent and hitman like a locked door or something good in there. You don't want me in something that in their gate. yeah for sure. I finished the story the last mission the other night and i love that game. I'm going to go back and do a lot. I'm am going back and doing a lot of the challenges now executing my targets in various ways The game really surprise me. I didn't play the first one or two. So i really love this. One in. it's it's it's when you start a new area in that game. It's exactly what i love to do and video games. We've talked about this many times before. I think sam is around the same level but just to have a new big area that i'm free to explore free as you know as long as i can stick my way into every area man. That's just like when you go to a new location for the first time and it's just there's so much to explore so many nooks and crannies to go down that's the best feeling my absolute favorite thing to do in a video game. That's the mario sixty four feeling right and speaking of which we previewed blazers fury. This week that game looks. I mean it's exactly that it's a big space. There should be you know. Twenty of those in an super mario odyssey to but for now i'll say one twentieth of a super mario odyssey because that game looks great and aunt's cat themed. Yeah next month. I also started playing a cyber shadow a game that jin reviewed this week and gave an eight and is definitely a day game. Stunned game pass south. Any xbox uses definitely it's a it's it's a ninja guide and like most part. It's a modern a bit action game so it's frustrating and possible and you'll never get past level one. It is difficult. It is difficult. There's lots of platforming games like in my brain. Yeah lots of platforming challenges and you definitely have to learn enemy patterns. Be a very observant. Be very you have to be pretty intentional. With how you you proceed level but it's it's got a great look to it. It reminds me a lot of panzer. Paladin from last year in also has great soundtrack cool. I'm enjoying it scraped. I played through the first two missions. Say are you gonna play that skull game. What's it called which one it's called skull something with one l. i. Daming ascended over. Okay all right. I think we just reviewed it. Okay we got some wanna say that plane hitman three after finish that. I have the utmost confidence in iowa interactive making james bond game. It's called skull the hero slayer that was not on my radar but look all right. We got some news today That crystal dynamics is planning for the next tomb. Raider game to unify the reboot trilogy and the original games and i don't really know what that means they're working. They're going to figure out how to get the dinosaurs in it. Yes now we have to get from not dinosaurs to dinosaurs. That's what's gonna happen. It's like a could. Just be a time line progression thing because they were like well. We've seen her at her best. And then we've seen her as a super pro so we want to make sure we acknowledge that. There's a quote from the studio. That says something about acknowledging those different laura's and figuring out what how to incorporate those elements of her character building in franchise is like generally speaking. It does but they did. Okay so this is confusing then because right now like the. The lara croft is supposed to be young shoes on her first mission. In that first reboot game right it. Didn't they make a game called tomb raider origins. Yes probably what's that about You know that's why that's why they call it. I think reboot trilogy even though it also kind of works as an origin story for the character lacrosse as well. And at the end of the original they sorta dropped the reboot thing with the sequels because the end of the original the climax moment was also getting like the double guns for the very first time which is conic young. What if we just go down the laura junior perch because then you get both of her you know when she's just kind of unfamiliar with the territory and then much of an expert a pass down right. That's her whole family better than i see. You're saying y- one would be the daughter of the other large okay. yes exact- that's great in the canon. Though dad was like the explorer and geologist one though maybe she's her own dad also got to pass it on to her children just like he did to her. I want them to do it. I want everything. I want every fictional universe to be a multi verse now and be like spider versus. Where both laura's like lara meets the old block political laura. I'm lara croft. And then they have to team up on an adventure together. I like that and then go back and forth like the newer can go back into like the the. Ps one like games turns back to take controls and you have to press past level by levels from the different gamers. That started as goof. And now i wanna take i mean. That's what did that weirdly as pitfall. The my ended insurance super nintendo pitfall the block. Easy stupid pitfall. Harry was this guy's dad and you go on this beautiful super nintendo adventure game looking for your dad. Who's like this like still a block pixel thing that's great. That's what that's what spelunky two is. Jones cross over there making that game now so that'd be amazing. Yeah well we even need across any morals. We have actually neons games okay. So so you know if you don't want to hear about the end of tomb raider Three gimme thirty. Seconds shadow a shadow of the tomb. Raider yeah because that game ends with you becoming some sort of like south. Like as ted god mike you become like a deity and at because somebody else wants to be and then you accidentally take that person's place that's how that game is with light coming out of your eyes and stuff. Yeah but then the power leave her and she's just normal sharon. Sure sure but then that happened. That's still with any of her crew or the people that are inner ear in any of the other tomb raider games like hey remember that time. He became a god. And then i think there's like some an additional more Flashback things or something or they tied altogether. But yeah i mean. Do you just go back to like looking for sunken ships after that is that well. That's since that happened him. That's why i don't. They don't need to jump through hoops to justify the existence of a dinosaur. Yeah they can just have the dinosaur. Well now. apparently laura croft dinosaurs. So that is what they meant. She's gonna some in the dinosaurs using her daddy powers. She's going to also some in the previous versions of herself in all the bills and whatnot so all of these ideas are converging into what we assume is the scoop on. Her daughter has to play all those levels. And you get to choose them. Like mega man. You can go to any time. Yeah maybe maybe it's like a situation like in unchartered for where they play crash bandicoot like maybe got us. Look they made a video game about me. Yeah and then. It's all metal. Be pretty amazing. Okay i actually all goofing aside. I kind of hate this like like video game. Sequels especially triple games are more than just continuations of the story and character that the continuation or you know remixing of the game play ideas right so like god for two thousand. Eighteen is a continuation of cradles this story and evolution of those gameplay mechanics. Everybody loves so it's a sequel in a lot of different ways. It's building on other stuff than just story. And so eventually the story scaffold it up so much as so much bolted onto it. That like you know. They're a business. They're running a business. They have to keep making tomb raider games but they can't they just collapse over and under their own way and then either have to be rebooted. Or then they're on their second reboot or it gets weird like halo games and like i feel for game developers like i love master chief and i love that. The games open world. I'm excited about the continuation of his story. But the more and more time that passes the weirder and weirder and more like stretched out in contorted the storytelling in particular becomes comic books. Like x. exactly. I was exactly to make that comparison. A series of coincidences has to bring familiar characters back for example and it really contracts the universe and with comics. They've been going for you know in some cases about one hundred years so you know. They're serious threat. Like batman is never resembled batman every five years. But it's still called batman like some of those are still aiming detective comics still detect. and like. i'm i'm even though. I followed comics. Pretty pretty intently. When i was thirteen like in that time. Like i can't. I can't even relate to what the comics i liked. Then are now like they're they're just not even not even close to what they were there so called. You know the amazing spider spot and stuff. Yeah from brought up because from a story standpoint like you can just unit stories over. We don't anymore story to tell but they're still interesting things to do in game play and evolving game play new graphics and stuff like that and then they're kind of forced to come up with a story justification for why it's still going and i i don't know feels all story should be removed from video games. I'm kind of with you on that. I'm all about that books movies. I was reading an interesting thing about They're eventually going to introduce the x. Men and magneto into the mcu That's so crazy. It is and does whole thing is that he was a holocaust survivor right and so the farther and farther removed we get from that harder and heart it becomes impossible or was he in hyper-sleep for like thirty years or do they often america style. And it's it's you know it's it's it's a problem. The luckily they have x. Men movie set in the past so true so the game director of this new mayor says the original games featured seasoned confident adventurer. The development team envisions a future of tomb raider falling these established adventures telling stories that build upon the breadth of both core design and crystal crystal dynamics games. Working to unify these timelines buddy. So we don't ask quote unquote. We don't have plans for a major game announcement in the near future. So it's always what you just did. Yeah kind of like to call. An announcement is an announcement. Everyone gone country. did this. it's exactly what gino's ascribing We we we're gonna get cranky crossed out of this iraq. In my day i was now. There's no tombs anymore to raise. The audience seems split on whether or not donkey on countries in the mario universe. Now you gotta bring that back up. Oh open wounds still damon. We got shafted. Get into the facebook group. And we're like oh well you know. There's there's different universes right so it's like it's unclear. It's like no no just just think about it this way. Mario climbed a ladder to knock off donkey kong. At one point right yeah and then donkey. Kong is in a bunch of games. Diddy kong like this is not a stretch. They they know each other just around each other all the time. Also a lengthy mario donkey kong game franchise that yes but donkey on country has its own thing. I think what happened is tomorrow. I dunno cranky. Kong is donkey kong in that series. What happened is then the series. What happened is marin donkey kong richly together in what what dot com and junior. But then mario went into the mushroom kingdom and buckeye was wherever and then after time continental drift happened. And they're in different places geographical. Just the thing. That was going on the on the facebook group. And i'm trying to make genealogical argument that there's that there's actual familial relations between these characters there's also donkey kong land one two and three or at least one takes place on earth. It just takes place on regular ass earth. Yeah that's that's like mario's missing and martinez. And here's mario athens. Yeah good luck. Don cannon goes are carola universes technically exist different planes so what we need to do is address that tina and come up with a way to ask the question. So it's unambiguous right. Our next lying our next me. A modal interview is what we need to ask. Someone asked reggie all the secrets. That's like when you when you leave the you know. The government are likely a game company. Like you like you. Did you talk about all the secrets. So now he can tell us. Tell us one secret. Just want secret. Just one zero. Let's check in with the listeners. Hey listeners fine. Remember you can always reach us at the email address games Dot com just like michael. Conrad polski did in vista california. And he says. I wonder what actor has been in the most games. Keanu bruce willis arnold interesting question. John too. I can think of but we're not talking about. We're talking about like hollywood actor. Yeah i think so. We're talking about voice actors. Oh well yeah there's it would be your behavior name exactly. Yeah i was trying to hollywood actors. Whose lightness has been in the most games. Okay so that's an interesting distinction to because there are actress like mark. Hamill is a voice actor. Right that the joker. But when saying that we're saying that actual like bruce willis appearing in Whatever that terrible game was. He appeared in apocalypse diehard. There are four die hard games. Yeah there's arcade game except in die hard trilogy. I don't think they tried to use his likeness. That he's just a guy right. Yeah well that doesn't count on the box. Art is he. I don't think he. I think it's actively not him hard trilogy. Okay yeah weird. I wanna look it up. Now that's good. I don't think it's bruce. Willis there are four predators games and five terminator games. So nine for arnold. At least unless there's something else there yeah yes yes. Last action hero games and all kinds of jets. Oh oh your total recall hillary. And then what's the action movie. The james cameron after that with jamie lee. Curtis true lies bai's game for that. Yeah that was the van damme. This was the era to and stallone. Oh yeah forgotten. My back million re mass effect games martin. Sheen is in a platoon. Charlie's no that's charlie sheen. No i don't think his likeness in the game. He's on the cover. Who is a guy who what if the movie posters silhouette of shirley. Jean it was not that right. God there's There's riddick riddick yo. What's his name bin. Diesel bunch of fast and furious games right while it's one terrible. I don't know that they've really made that many. Was that true they the. There's probably a mobile game for everyone. Hey hack for this. Yeah professional sportsmen or sportswomen wrestling wrestlers. So i was thinking the rock is probably in a whole lot of games in hogan's like that was probably in like twenty games by default. Yeah more sure. And then he got games. Then you got your like movies. That he's into we also know which game has the most celebrities in it. What is it strategy guessing. But it's gotta be right into the maybe we'll have cameos. Yeah i mean. Games like games have star wars characters in the like a huge mentioned star. Wars there's been so many star wars games have each one if the bulk of them have luke skywalker in it. Yeah that's something that that you hear at pinball tournaments alive that i already annoyed damon tina just with which is People ask like who's been in the most machine art out of all these actors. And i think it comes down to schwarzenegger because there's actually like a last action hero like pinball machine of course all the terminator stuff like that but the other one is harrison ford because people forget about star wars and indiana jones machines at and there's just lots star wars ones there. There are at least seven. Indiana jones games that i could count. Yeah but then there's this is on the way whatever they do with that maybe this harrison ford then i wonder if Do they get paid every time their faces used him. So is that how it works. I think project. Yeah and there's probably stipulations like cannot exceed x. Amount of time with this person but for death stranding they had like a couple like an hour to limitation for norman rita's dialogue that they spared until the end of the game. And i'm totally making this up. Because a joke because he did not that much in that video games. But that's completely recast solid snake to be kiefer sutherland. And didn't have that much access to them and it doesn't say anything in metal gear solid five s barely in the game and i wouldn't be surprised if that was if that was an issue. That's why like win. When cpr was going around and talking about pia new people were like whoa hold on like the big headline was he had the second most dialogue. And only second to you. Is the player character. So trying and emphasize like this isn't just a cameo situation or a silent protagonists. This is like a legitimate character in the game. There's a. I know a little bit about this licensing again. I'm going to talk about also. Please tune out if you'd like to but when you licensed likenesses including faces it expires at some point so the lord of the rings pinball machine probably my favorite game of all time has this thing called the are win plastic and it's a likeness of our went on it What streaming live tyler. It's on the left side and and the path of dead Like path drops the ball right onto it. There's no padding or anything. It's just drops it onto a piece of plastic so breaks all the time right. It's broken in every game that exists and so That likeness expired. You can still get reproductions of the little plastic for and they just have a tree on them. it's really rare to have the arwen plastic people bootleg it and stuff like that elves. Yeah they're therefore rambo games and then there was a clipping their games as on cliffhanger. Also but i don't think it's i don't think it's the best russillo also i looked at patterson ford and he has a lot of just. Thank you credits. So one is special. Thinks the other is a grateful. Bow to minimal crediting here not really big roles. You mentioned lord of the rings him. There were a lot of games based on those movies. Yeah yeah yeah. But are there carrying other like john rees davies. That are in other games or things like that. That's that's a hard thing to determine popularized a bunch of people. There's a goonies game. And sam is good news sean. S a yeah. Yeah that's true. That franchise has a lot of individual one off famous actors in the totality of the series but repeats. Now he was an harrington arrington goonies games. Sam right right. It's unclear if the second one had. Mikey guti in it. Sean astin better. I have a question i know. They made mission impossible games. But has tom cruise ever appeared video. Game top gun over. This is why. I wanted to point this out. There are thirteen top gun. Games gains based on top gun. Well you can just put anyone in the cockpit. You don't need to be a why are there. So many top gun games did the movie come out. Come and go or is it not out. You know got delayed. Okay hilariously google because we have that ability now on these if you google for tom cruise's involvement in video games. The first one that pops up is from my former boss at the former mtv coverage for these sorts of things and the headline is video games or one mission. Tom cruise won't accept granted. This was in two thousand six. So i don't know it's but apparently at one point a feminist pretty adamantly against it interests i. I can't think of an example of tom cruise appearing in a video game. Yeah violent. I think the movie series i could find the most games for was drastic park. But i don't know how many would reuse the the likenesses of same actors. Sam neill and stuff like that sam neill. That's who every kid wants to play. As laura dern off star wars or likenesses in the super nintendo one in dressy part. Yeah okay moving on. We don't know the answer is no one knows what actors been in those lab. We spent so much time. I just want say. Laura dern i think is the first woman we brought up. So that's showing a little bit of a underrepresentation games right there. but yeah who was the woman that's supposed appeared in the most video games as an interesting question that's on. That's it's gotta be ellen ripley you know And fifteen aliens games and games That's a good one this next emails from a cheater. We don't know the name or ideas reasons. A cheater cheating cheetos. They call him benadryl. Because we andrew cheater. This is my fourth time emailing game. Scoop really hoping you read this damon. He he confesses. I cheat in single player games. There i said it as a married man with a four year. Old gaming time is precious sacred. My wife understands that. Luckily she knows when it's twenty one thirty that he's got to go upstairs game at nine hundred eighty eight twenty one thirty hours. Yeah now. I recently switched to pc gaming into my delight. You could cheat more easily like our view command and now i'm playing starting valley using mods for more items and money blame game simply does take a lot of your time. Every minute is precious. I'm not proud of what i do but it is necessary to fit into my way of life now. Not all games. Igt games like control. The last part to. They're no obvious. Cheats and i played them as normal as i can't be i'm sure damon adjustable understand right h. You don't need to justify we've seen this many times on the show. The game only exists for your entertainment so whatever way playing the game. That is the most fun to you. That's the right way playing it in single player games right. There is a couple of circumstances mentioned there too and one of those is is the people that made the game put in cheats. Because they want you to mess within an nfl of using one that situations you mentioned it is and then there's maude side to which you know you're supporting creative's when you're using different types of creatives it's always on a sliding scale like when you cheat you're taking something away from the developers and ten yet but it's also like if it's a cheat to reduce grind were like okay like i could play the sims for for ten hours and you know end up in the same spot wreckage. Just all i wanna do is build a house and so i have been unlimited money cheat to build my house like you know. That's that's a little bit different than like the pleasure you get from a really hard challenge by doing it. Legitimately right yeah. I sometimes think about like own moral compass when it comes to playing video games like if i drop down to easy occasionally we've had this conversation a bunch of times on this podcast but it feels worth reiterating like i occasionally feel like a cheat and i always make sure to incorporate it if i do go down to easy either because the a super hard or i feel like bernie through the game just to experience the rest of it like i want to know what the rest of the gameplay evolutions are with the end of the story is I do try to make sure. I'm conscientious of the fact that i may have played on easy mode for game having conversations about it because it does change with the general Experiences so if you wanna to be part of the you know quote unquote discourse. You gotta make sure that you're including like okay well. My experience was pretty different. Because i use this invincibility cheat. And therefore i can't resonate with what everybody's talking about in this one level or boss being incredibly difficult but yeah totally on board on on the idea of like if you made that decision because that's what best suits your experience for that particular game and maybe you might otherwise not play through the entirety of that game. I would argue that you get more out of it by being able to buy conditions for yourself which you can finish that game experience it in most of its totality rather than putting it down out of frustration lack of time or whatever it might also make the also a testament to the game. You're you're like the thing that's drawing you to the end of the game is still there. It's okay like there's something beautiful. I want experience about this work of art but i am a human and i have a wife and i. I am limited by that so adjusting the difficulty or adding jeeter. Something just to be like. But i'm dying to see the into this game because it's super cool. That's totally valid. You know i mean th that's just like you would experience yard like you're welcome to take it in your own leisure. There's so many have nothing to do with quote unquote cheating either. Now turns do a hot dog or a fish or something. There's there's so many scenarios where every game or i don't care who you are if you deny your liar where you know if you're playing the game within the bounds of the game legitimate like you're not breaking the rules or cheating but you'll she's the game one hundred percent like you find some combo that works. Let's get your it easier or like some overpowered what's agglomeration like in every open world game the first ten hours or so fine and then i find something that trivializes the game and then The temptation to use it is too strong and then just cheese my way through the rest of the game. Because it's like. I can't help myself interested in cyberpunk exactly. I was going to bring up the painting in cyberpunk lake where there was a glitch reading constantly. Resell this fairly pricey painting. And then you can spend all that money and like honestly arguably the pacing of that game felt a little bit off. Because i wasn't including a lot in a lot of my cybernetic abilities and then once you have enough money to actually spend on through all the rippers frankly like different represent. Different abilities are scattered all through the city. So even to get to that access point it requires a lot of traveling legitimately made a little path around the map to visit a bunch of different rippers and also whatever. It was the atm machines. Where you get the money back for the for those paintings systematically hitting all those up and then i maxed myself out and it felt like it gave me so many more stealth options and so many more mission options as opposed to as you were saying justin like i would have had to grind through to get to that point to finish the game. I just created in that case i created what i felt was an efficiency measure anything. Is there anything more cyberpunk than ripping off the end game. Atm's in a way. Yes that's the meta story right there. You don't an exploit and exploited a bug in the system within a heads share the hag within the hag. True hacker move. I did the same in impre. There was this like crafting glitch and so the like to develop resources is mostly based off of grinding. Felt like you're just fast forwarding a little bit and then you're still making the decisions of how you want to craft a certain thing how you want to input you know. How do you wanna use the money. That you've you've glitched out of an exploit and then on the other flip side there are occasional quote unquote exploits that actually just add new challenges to the game and even in multiplayer experiences. I think i've mentioned the left for dead To dual weapon swapping with malay glitch. Where they shove your character into a corner and you just constantly swap your weapons until you lag the game out because your back starts producing pistols is. The game doesn't know what's happening. And then you play on the highest difficulty mode and you're like kind of Jumping around Almost like the movement in a vr. Game where you're just gonna transporting yourself into places like a speed run trick. It's crazy cool and it's the best because you you actually find these community moments where people knew what you were doing. They're trying to help you out to. They're trying to lag the game out and have the same experience and everybody's just zooming through Through this lag dow game and then you hit the tank which you have to kill before you can make it to the next round which is another challenge because now you need to estimate your distance to the tank and then the timing of its swing so suddenly. It's just another boss battle fight actually. Don't even lose the quality of that. You just changed the circumstances for yourself so could be really fun thing too speaking of speed running. Did you guys see the video of the people beating hitman. Threes first level in eight seconds. Yeah it's so cool. Walk out. They have a gun. That can shoot through the floor. I i don't. I don't know how exactly how it was working a seam. I think in the floor if you look at the leaderboards there ridiculous numbers for each of the missions. Obviously people are replaying them they have like better starting locations and better equipment and whatnot. But it's like every single thing beaten intense. I you know. I tried to speed on the second mission totally works. You can just walk up to your target and kill her. And that's not the point of the mission really but you can do case filed though. That's right yeah it would make it harder to get the case. See that's what that's why they threw it in there like in qa testing. We have realized. Let's just make them get a case file to. Yeah that must be it. Yeah that's really good point. We would you know i. I can't go through these conversations without a plea for a return to putting in sheets and games because i think it's so fun and i think it's really good. I mean i i it just occurred to me just talking in this. Conversation died that easy mode even though that exists back in the day the easy mode that we have now probably taken the place of the need for some cheats but then some are just so creative people play. Gta single player still and loved the cheats. Because there it's just sandbox refund start just like can't believe should game ship that are sandboxes without that they needed it like hashtag bring back big head bowed again. Even the discovery of how to unlock a cheat is part of the fun and it can be like a community activity. People are sharing codes and different inputs at the town. There's one other additional sort of thing. That's on my mind. Here's we talk about this. Which is using guides and gain help an external resources and not just the game guide of like. Here's a map of how to get through this game but like games so many modern games or what i would describe as like wicky games like minecraft. You'll never figure out minecraft ingress recipes. They're designed tab some external resource on your second screen next to you Starting valley isn't quite that but like everyone in the village has a favorite item to give them as a gift and enlighten. You're not intended to look that up. It's breaking the game's balance to do that by not aid. You want this fish. No i hate that fish. Okay sorry shane. I'll give you a different fish tomorrow. Like that's all you're supposed to play. The game was cheating to circumvent that. Like you know. I don't know man like play however you want. Yeah it's so pleasurable to to look stuff up with the thing that you're like okay. This isn't my main mission. In the game so i can't focus all my attention on it. That's something i'm interested in learning about and doing and seeing my options i love romance stephan games for that reason when you kind of look at a guy at shows all of your options and you can kind of choose it that way. I think it's really well and romancing game is always a video game being crappy to like urged on monday romantic. No it's just their garbage systems. Usually so they deserve to be cheated and the office so bad. Yeah there was Remember the game. Fez for reno obscure callback. Thorough like the black monolith puzzle that people were kinda was notorious for being unsolvable and like people were coming in droves in groups like look at all of my my documentation my note tag for this one singular puzzle like the whole point is you're not really supposed to be able to easily solve and is trying to rally the effort of a lot of people at once to do so and game real quick before we get to twenty questions have one more email from random task in new york city and they would like to know our thoughts on godzilla being supposedly the bad guy in the new movie and could he beat king kong our thoughts. Or let's that's we all know. This is not a spoiler. I don't have said formation but we all understand that halfway through the movie they're going to team up and fight and even bigger bad guy right like superman all over again. They've already established in two movies. That godzillas a good guy in the series. So there's literally no way. There were clues on. I think it was an non rewind theater. there's some clues that are indicating like maybe there's some other force behind some of the disaster There's like a map in the background rich pointing to like. They're not sure why. There's these like concerted attacks On godzillas behalf so. They're trying to like decode. What's the real What's the real war being waged here. And is he just sort of a a mind for for the process. It might not actually be it might be mecca. Godzilla from traditionally aliens. Alien aliens built a mecca godzilla. And they're just like go mess up earth and they put a thick skin over him to make it look like a real godzilla. Yeah and they have a fight in. Kim blasted often. So i don't i don't know the godzilla lower very well. First of all guts linking kong have crossed over once before at. Here's my actual question. Actual question is do all the kaija you come from godzilla are they're more like king kong that sort of standoff as their own sort of thing that potential to be pulled into this franchise in the future all of the tojo Toho movie owns all the rights to all the gods zillah kite you write original king kong universal property. There are some dinosaurs in that movie. But not not a thing that i would call like a cage. You that like universal. The universal monster universe like doesn't have a stable of like marvel characters to like pull in except for the except for the godzilla bros. Is alterman something. That's different movies to you. Does that come into godzilla. Although although there is a character named jet judge aguire. That looks almost exact opposite. I'm thinking of okay. All right so godzillas. Never pulled in from other franchises except for king kong. As i don't want to say never but it's not common young cannot comment thank you. The other option is at the end. Credit scene of godzilla king of the monsters. One of gator's heads has been picked up in sold on the black market to taiwan lancaster. So we know. He has one of his heads and they also show that gita can regenerate parts of his body. So maybe he's gonna regenerate maybe build him into mecca king era. He's also an alien so maybe the aliens from his planet are coming here. Wants to sort of rebuild. Their god they need to distract godzilla king kong while they do that. That's another scenario for a off. It could also be this. There has like fifteen different theories to check it out is already part of this universe. I've missed some godzilla. Obvious yes martha was in the last one. What does she do. She got her bed. She says godzillas asked twice. And she dies so kind of like a relationship between godzilla and mothra maybe my reborn over and over again. But she always shows up to help help guys lot when he when he needs it most any anyway. That brings us to video game twenty questions suggestion. This week comes from tony australia. Let the questioning again. I'm so mad about last week. I don't know if i got this week Man australia though there since. There's some clues there. They didn't really have a lot of access to any s steph until the genesis. I was thinking that to see you do pilot. Can you pilot vehicle in this game. Yes see we're getting specific with that question. It could be diddy kong racing. Koby are their animals in this game. Yes definitive whoa. She can file it a vehicle and there's animals yeah sounds like a great game in game. Yes whoa this is so fun. Let's play this game now. Okay can you are you. Can you get out of vehicles in this game can be in a vehicle in this game. Yes it's blaster master. I was thinking adventure island. I can't picture any animals blaster master except for that one giant alien that eats you are aliens. Animals damon albarn question. If aliens are of two counts animals. Maybe have their own version of alien animals. Your animals the words assault. They're all animals to us four forbes our animals right Yoda's are not correct. Exactly that's a good analogy. Shoebox are not animals. Look you know we call baby. Yoda yoda and growth. Is this from before the year. Two thousand that's five as it from before one thousand nine hundred blaster master can but you can get it in and out of vehicle. Yeah that's that's insane. Yeah that's wife blaster master because it's got the tank levels in the levels and i mean there's a frog in blaster master. Have we mentioned this title yet. Yes got it all right. Is there a frog in the scam. Yes this is blaster master. Yes with an asterisk nine questions. Yeah will now read you. The full email from tony australia. I liked to an experiment. What's my twenty questions. game suggestion. Nothing but if you answer yes to every question asked will eventually find out what the default video game twenty questions game is a so apparently so you just said yes to everything and then you just legal yes. Yeah that was a self fulfilling prophecy right there that you guys that game into existence. That could have gotten messed up. Yeah because if i would have said after the frog thing but does it have a giraffe in it. Yes default gets true. Yeah what if we if. We had like contradicting answers. But this universe in this time line we did establish the default game. It's just gone horribly astray excited that we got this in logan away. You took the win away from us. No yeah a win with an astros so much more fun. I'm i'm fine with blaster. Master being the default twenty questions great soundtrack antonio game yes. What are you out. If we didn't say any game. And i just got that incorrectly. Young he wanted to know if you have noticed that every answer was yes. How many questions have been taking. Take you to make a of a game. He wanted to be smooth sailing. Or we have a game mind and then ask questions in a way that yes forces you to think of a different game. notice we did establish a game that would rule. It's because we oxygen. We started off so specifically with like okay it. You cut out everything that you don't pilot a vehicle that you drive vehicle so like that narrows it down. It's almost like we. We started this with a preconceived notion of what the game might be kind of do some toys fixing thinking the music do. That's what it is. That i have to rule it out. Ok it's not see. I hope that was a blast music. I'm second guessing myself damon. Would you get scared when we started asking about. Pre one thousand nine hundred. I said woah game where you get in and out of a vehicle. Nineteen ninety that's very unusual. I just didn't know if you're going to keep going like it's a pre nineteen eighty with. There's a famous story about inventing yoshi where Motta was like. I really wanted to get a dinosaur that mario rides straight out of the tomb raider universe in two super mario brothers. The first super mario brothers and he couldn't get the attack working and so. I'm pretty sure you know nintendo always makes systems to make things possible for a game. They build two games. I'm pretty sure writing dinosaur was only reason they ever did a super nintendo gives me about like it can't be done. They're like okay. We'll make any system will get the dinosaur working. Thank you thank. you imagine. That's how that conversation went time machines and all. We'll figure it out real quick before we go justin. I realized i didn't ask you what you're playing i've been. I've been playing a lot of board games lately. I've been playing a really cool board. Game called aons end and that's actually has an interesting little twists to the end of the story so to deck building board game or you start out with a deck full of garbage scraps and mud and then you can spend it on new cards that go into your deck dry your dacic gets more more and more powerful as you go because you can use those more powerful cards by even more powerful cards. That the twist is that instead of shuffling your deck. You never shuffle it so everything goes into your discard pile. Then you just flip it back over and draw from the top again so if you're smart and paying attention you can discard your cards. As a used them in a certain way to draw like a power hand next time and build combos that way That counting cards. John is that what it is cards. No like you just need like you draw five every turn so you. Can you can know what your next couple turns are going to be based off the order that you discard your cards. Because you're gonna look over and job. Are there like so few cards that you can kind of. Keep track though. Yeah yeah yeah your ducts. Never get that big fifteen cards may be and so sweet like i really love it. Aons and super cool been playing it. Non stop january. And then i was looking up. Who made the game in a professional starcraft. Two player is the decided. I was just like. Oh what a weird like video game like. I used to watch him. Play starcraft you. 'cause i was really into star craft east for its. He played taryn. But i won't hold that against him small. Yeah for real. I mean i know. I you know when i'm meeting parents friends and stuff. They're like what do you. What do you do for your job what you know. Can you imagine being like i make board games and i compete professionally in a video game. Just what yeah. That's like the ven diagram of things that i've been super obsessed with an man may three year. Old nephew can play now. He can actually like make turns. And strive straight sometimes runs into obstacles. But he's basically professional so i told his dad a channel for him he's a professional streamer now which bruno to have to find out but someone had bought him as a birthday gift recently. Like an actual steering wheel. He's been using the xbox controller instead but he has a whole rig setup with pedals and steering wheel and in some shifting. I if there's like the real yeah who that's death takes awhile There's a burn out games there early series which i never played which seem really appealing which is just about driving straight and crashing into things. So yeah that's that's perfect that. There's a racing element to it. He also has forza horizon. He's he playing a little bit of that Now quite a professional gamer at three years old. His first video game remains luigi mentioned. Three though and i'm pretty proud of buying for view on your desk by monday morning damon. Wow that's that says some very cute yet. cute story for you. David real quick My my older daughter well. It's two things one right a passage where she was on this math games website where she was doing these math games. But then somehow clicked all around just ended up finding arcade games that weren't educational and like mama so mad now. It's kind of proud of every kid has to. Yeah we all. And but the second thing is she's describing this game to me and it's a tower defense game but she doesn't you know they follow along a path. And then you place these wizards on the path and they shoot them and then you get more money and you can place one. And then she was so she's like but dad secures the trick. You have to put them at a spot. Where like the wizards can get him twice like me get him on this side and they come around and you get on the other side and i was just like you got it figured out scenes like tyler strategic and then i had a chance. I felt like a super dad. That's called tower defense and it's all genre. There's all kinds of really fun ones. i'll show you some in. It's like. I don't know it was just a very wholesome moment. It's tower defense. We would never guess it right on twenty questions. When never get to that honora. There's also through the power of text messaging. I have discovered it as burnout paradise as london. He's playing such a good game very free just to drive around. That's like the perfect sandbox siegfried. Yeah it's a little playground for him to test around in strategy guide for that game was different. Times also has a licensed professional career. Good of the old i-i-in formatted version. Which you can still see game spies site which is as my byline everything very tiny images. It's like you'll be his said say yes. Then you guys teams and everything. That is all the scoops we have this week. You can always reach us at the email address games. You dot com. Thank you thank you justin. Thank you sam. Thank you taio working behind the scenes to make this episode possible. My name is damon. 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24: Sony Schrier Article + Paradise Lost Review - Impossible Mission 75

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24: Sony Schrier Article + Paradise Lost Review - Impossible Mission 75

"Say hello Rob also run. I welcome to mom land. the gay chose monthly. Look at the games. We'd been playing. You know whatever they might be. He does intros well so well no literally. That's that's what babalade is. It's just basically. We chose the name mom lead because obviously there are giving jams all over the place and we thought well mom laid is also thing we like mob led are. I like my old woman. I'll jump in fast because we had the last month because it doesn't make sensitive lists every month when may be haven't had the time place though. Yes so i want. I want to talk about not gonna take a long time on a sleigh agreeing Actually this is one of these things. Where i'm going to say i'm gonna talk about from long and then not saying much about twenty minutes of still talking about it boy. It's the twenty. Sixth day in remake of ratchet and clank which of the home initiative which current lebron ten games at between russia incline craisins zero dawn complete in these one. Plant nautica out those in diesel talking about future episode but yet ratchet clank twenty sixteen. Was the first one very big. Divide in this game. I think it's actually the ratchet and clank which made me not give it absolute rat's ass about roger can kenema. Really one thing. I know about route is that there are certain games which he is an absolute die final ratchet and clank was always wanted them played pretty much. Most of them yet. Raising is an honest was released as part of that failed attempt to make roger inclined Pixel kids movie so the animation on everything is garages expect especially now in the playstation five that was at sixty frames per second who yet plays beautifully but at the same time it plays exactly sam is russia inclined is always played on all the it it kind Is okay so familiar. Yeah but at the same time. I wanna just comes a paint when you think. I don't wanna play the next ratchet and clank because i- outside of the of the dimension pulling stuff. I feel like i've already played in a and this is the game where really sunk in that revelation. Okay i gotta. I gotta i gotta dollars also also the story the dialogue. The delivery is awful. All my god. It's it's like worst. I've seen in years. Awful is one of those games where it was subject to a certain degree of interference from Higher ups who believe they know better. I don't know about that. Essentially whole pint of ratchet and clank series is up through the runner the series ratchet and clank become best buds. How this ratchet caused clunk body and then the best friends now. That's not how it happened in the original really awkward. You've just met him in your best friends and it is called. What the hell's going on. This is so this. This is basically took the script and then took all the pages out and left it to the left. Is the bits company. Walk please i've question. Just how lonely ratchet. The immediately made his best about meeting them. Honestly i think you don't you don't learn that clunk is it defect wall boss until good few games in on the next year immediately knows stymie. Sammy's in Factory in away from a big wall boss issues. I all over the place. I mean i'm not going to be one of those people who saw a goes. But i'm basically like one step off released. Schneider cook people at the same time. It's just a condenses so much story in such a small space. I'm basically removes all of the detail of anything parties Out as the so you defectively cartoon characters you have this idea that cartoon characters like kitty but when they really a- out i don't have the idea but then again i watch a lot more automation than the majority of people on the planet. The jila weather sounds like you remember what you remember those hollywood remakes of classic movies. Real dyed-in-the-wool classics that they work. For some reason they decided to do a modern version of the modern version of get carter for example so fastest lawn if remember correctly. Yeah the liked any of the Like any of the any of the grit of the original get carter and then What was it. They did the modern version of alfie with jude law which liked any of the trauma charisma original version. And i know. I picked to michael. Ken movies they're both want to remake but honestly it plans beautifully. But it's solis. So on that i mean it after Clank rift the path a timeless masterpiece from this point on is even being ratchet and clank. I'd never call any of them a timeless masterpiece. This kind of broke my back as far as this amer kamel. This brought me back a counter. Sounds like what they did with spiral. Remember when the did the new version of spiral on the playstation two. I think it was a spiral new beginning. It was it was alright. Br it wasn't a patch. The original playstation Spyro games on then. They didn't actually up the game on you know until the second of was dead. The dragon. Yeah i mean this is like it's a game any substance on it revere this game really blitz bed the dynamics of what max of russian collect game plumb new planets different funky weapons that's That's effectively what devolving is that soil substance that makes them worth playing. When you remove the so persons. You realize what you're actually planning all this time. Yeah does that does that make sense. I'm kind of got a bit lofty. An talked about this for longer than a one. Or two it okay. I'm going to relate back to movies for a second right. I've i know you're founder. The franchise i am some relating it to the lethal weapon movies. Yes i know. Mel gibson is a is a bit of a Whatever you wanna call him. East mel gibson rub. Yeah he's a bit of mel gibson. The movies themselves were actually on the first one. We always kind of action with little bit coming in. But then they got moral mall comedic as they went along. It was more about the relationship between rigs zomato and you know raises rigs Basically being an extended pot of metals family and then eventually getting his own family and it was about that dynamic between the two of them. How the two of them editor was like this old married couple. Who could finish each other's sentences. And that's how i always envisioned something like ratchet and clank also jackson dexter and stuff like that way you had these two characters in the basically in a really close buddy relationship on the rely on each other but they tease each other. Take the piss off each other and the relationship grows over. The games in this is all best boards. Now okay. that's fine. Yeah and there's no effort in that neither. The looks gorgeous as well as ever. But when you get the substance remove its sidewalks leftover actually pick up from downer. I am going to pick it up from that downer because I finally finally finally right And this is a game that i've been basically planning a meaning to play for Seven years can twenty. Thirteen came out late twentieth. Thirteen on the playstation three I think the vitas well and came out on the playstation formal recently. But i've been wanting to play. Wwe universe for a long long time and never got round to it. I always meant to play and always forgot knows meant to play knows. Forgotten just kept going like that. And i kept forgetting because i really liked the look of donkey donkey. Universe not really liked. You know the trailer for it engaged. I'll be honest. And this kind of undermines point went to sit in on the video. The video game plan on mesa. And i don't know what makes me sound like an idiot but we don't have the as recording this so i'm gonna ask you anywhere. What is it. I've never heard of be honest right. see this is the thing donkey donkey universe. It's it's it's a very very strange gues- about what it means to be human and about human relationships in a kind of right innocence doc. Yawkey universe is a is a personal quiz. A test made into the video game. Kind of right It's again all about side quests effectively right with side should never be a pr guy video games. You are not selling this thing is a. It's it's it's a bizarre game to try and explain right you play as a robot called q t three right and you have been told that unless you can unless you can figure out What it means to be human. You're going to be reprogrammed. You've been told this by this Alien basically you've been abandoned by your parents and you've been given this mission and this elliott has basically helped me go from planet to planet and on these planets you basically helping pay the characters that you meet on these planets human and otherwise. I you helping them with little odd jobs and you basically can Can create pretty much anything you can imagine. And i will use that term very loosely right Within the boundaries of the gaming anything that you might intimacy help these people so somebody who's feeling call chicken. Basically give them you know a match or fire or a burning building to help them keep warm. There are options there but the of shrub. It's repetitive is help right. It reviews repetitive. As you know is that pretty quickly and that is one of the things why i kind of went off the game a little bit but when it went back to it 'cause i plan that and then i started thinking this is just repetitions reputations repetitions but a male being a bit you know a bit tired on the day the planet and then when it went back to play to continue playing these actually thought getting more into it and more into the personality side of things because it's idea in personality tests inside and surprisingly there were reasonably accurate. Some sometimes will wildly different to you. Know how i know i am but the rest of it was actually pretty close. Okay if that's not but you frame fingers you frame all of that within again way you meet interesting characters has an interesting out style and you learn more about you know more about human nature more about yourself within the frame of a game where you basically just go around and doing random stuff for people right. I kinda love it. It's it's like somebody at some point in a at some point you know from the developers. I don't know how advice to how much do this. But then this weird idea of say you know what would be fun in a game against nell you know. Let's mix that with some some human philosophy and let's make a game like is this soya. Yeah that's exactly. are you smoking. Something was the something in those cupcakes and like no no it can be and it really does are yet like i said it's repetitive. As hell hell. And it's about philosophy. That's not helping dissuade the ideas. It was done by someone off the god completely off leg when them this. That's the thing is shouldn't work. It shouldn't work. I mean you know. He's not said anything. That convinces made. It does work. Honestly eight tells because it's got Look the characters of the art style. Have their have their own charm and uniqueness and the you know your interactions with the characters of actually pretty interesting. And that's what makes the game continued to take over. I wanna say repetitive. You bisque your from one planet to another just basically doing the same stuff over and over again you know jobs. Random people You know maybe the fetch quests. Maybe they're helping people do whatever. Don't matter because at the end of the day. And i think part of the reason why i kinda love is because would coming on the back of all these lockdowns and i think duckie universe is one of those games where it is the perfect game to play during lockdown. Because it's it's a sense of human interaction to it. So which is basically the video game equivalent of may sit in front. I was watching rumble videos. Basically you pay a basically if you're like a human contact if you From the lockdown. And you know you missing going out with going out with your friends. Duck duck universe is kind of the perfect game for that scenario. I can't really say all about it. I i think. I think i played at the perfect time for me to play. I think if. I play there at any time. I don't think. I would have enjoyed it as much as i did this time. That's fine right moving on you. Want to have a positive opinion of a video game. Move over sister not this week this month even this month right and number two is again which i was looking forward in the second that was announced. Really it's a polish gay best in a version of alternative european history in world. War two didn't end when it was supposed to and it lasted longer made a bit to the westland men lend europe. That game is heard ice. Lost now when i saw it i thought ooh this looks interesting. It looks like he could have some Survival horror s a vibe to it a you a wonderful ambassador broken year. Yeah i i have to ask does apparently relation to the poem. Not having read the poem on educate philistine. Like i am constantly sarah so for the sake of safety and just going to say yes. I was Darlene sixty it was done in sixteen seventy four by john milton in. I don't think did was wars around. Then rub there was plenty of laws but yeah anyway No you've got me confused now. Paradise lost is is a walk. Amelia walking semi that in which you play a young lad who goes through this shoe bonker. Absolutely huge olive in his pocket is a picture with his recently. Deceased mum on a man in a area with before. And you gotta go. Food is huge. Bone candidat Huge bunker like like maybe a talk show. Something in a huge chunk is effectively a small town in a bunker. Go from areas areas area to area Second area of the fall new makes you'll make iraq voice. A disembodied voice onset time also introduced entitled cons title through like the stages of grief anger bargaining is obeying so far knock the trophies is also acceptance in over things so yeah it's improve the seven stages seven stages talk of grief boss honestly. I don't know i'm kind of done. with is abacus. What this entails is lots of chicago raw. Non you think program by games the run through everywhere when he's taken a long time and he has a walking like chip humble but chipper. Ombo sounds like Covington does the net such in american. Then but yeah. It's lots of walking through empty places. Don't get me wrong What the thing that really works. Walking similar is the fact that eager to luxury in the world design in the world building telstar racer. What's happening in the world. it doesn't puts the but also like something interesting to do. is a get a pass. When do some things fantastical. Everybody's gonna the rupture. Does something really interesting and fire watch. What remains vague defense. They is like walking simulator games in which you put in a situation with provide you with some weird moments to really get lost in whereas in paradise lost. It's good if you're into softball. Tentative your history because effectively a bone cat is the trans this suitcases that they left so things happened. Some things got rid of all the people but at the same time you walking. nothing see. that's all i would. It would have been nice if you could actually if rather than walking simulator was more of a more of an exploration simulated so often not often stuff. He can look at pieces of paper. Would tell you but that's always a few audio things that you interact with. But that's all like on rails from the game though isn't it to an extent. Yeah and what. I'm talking about as more of an open world exploration thing wake and basically you know you're in So imagine a scenario and said you're in the bunker And okay maybe you encountered the disembodied voice at times The rest of it is just the y'all to open everything. You're able to read everything. And i know that we allow work involved in that book. You have total freedom to go wherever you want and read whatever you want interact with whatever you want you know on quitting peifer it. None other is a bit way. Walk past coons nfl. Why can't i take these. And he's a kid. Nobody's going to tell them off and lost each puts everything backs up. Perfect in nate. Who don't want to upset anybody that might find this front piece of paper. That i found is that vacated bunker on the c bloody climbing animation time and time and time again get quick at climate doofus. It's it's so frustrating and slow bull. I think it's just million. Walking similar is not really. I'm a square hole. Lots round peg. I its historical fantasy. Kind of it does seem to echo wolfenstein a little bit menu. Wolfson's iams wolfenstein is very much in the fantasy of cybernetic dogs and Yes i but as in all these weird things whereas this is a science While the sense of the wadden end when it was supposed to is it. Is it lost steam punk than anything else now. It's completely based in real life. All right okay. it's very much fantasy. Where just the question after world war end nine. Four five upper would happen to poland at the end of the day. It's your stop. Point walking. Simulate is i think they need to be a little bit more fantastical to actually be compelling. Yeah there was overweight. The tell story i mean. Don't get me wrong. The world to sign his grit vice acting is strong. It sets of blanket. Nice little mystery boys just walking and walking and walking you need to do it in a very very very sad circumstances and a very very of them places flat to really be compelling just to go through a bunker from zones on zone. Isn't that with this. Been better off as vr game. As viagra shorter yeah show version of this game. I think would work bath. What is okay okay. Okay pick up the new from the last one's prix down. So hopefully you have free up. Gibbs tied the dog since your last world is the dow jones. Well i'll save the one. I was gonna do to las instead. I'll talk about tales of the neon seat. This is available already on pacey. Came out in twenty nine tain. And it's it's a throwback this game you play is rex. Who is a private detective and you used to be the police while still something happened in the pasta. Now you're welcome as a private detective kind of washed out private detective and you start the game off right In the sewers. And you're looking for parts to replace so you can actually move around. You need to like an honda part. Because you've been civilian. Because of some incident. And there's some cycle robotic type thing wherein a cowl on carrying aside that floats around and appears and disappears and the initial part is really really annoying. 'cause it doesn't tell you anything doesn't give you any instructions or anything like that i want to do. You just have to figure out yourself. And i died like six or seven times before i finally figured out i was doing. So yeah What'd you get your body parts You basically You have a friend. And then he goes back in time to kind of how everything started so the product ends of then it goes into the actual story itself You wake up in your bed at your house. Sellers wrecks and you are converted by your house Robot butler type thing called bbx. Who tells you that you need to replace various Silently pilots in your body. Otherwise they're gonna wear out turns out bbx needs needs pastas as well so you have to try and find parts y'all robots meanwhile you being petted by cox Courtroom while the cots them is off. The top of my head is a barrier. Larry or something like doesn't matter little style People are i know. It's not jeff because jeff is the name of the alien in dhaka dhaka universe. So it's jeff okay but anyway The cop is on. The cop belongs to a woman called mrs perry. And this is where kind of everything starts. Off this world of the This world entails of the anc city Is in the middle alvin election and for the first time ever going to they have a robot candidate. I miss this this tension between robots and humans and it does kind of play into the whole idea of doubts versus humans can they coexist on not yada yada. Yada knuckle into that. The story goes into a bit more a does have puzzle in there that you have to solve as you go around. And the puzzles can become increasing increasingly. More complex. also. Has kind of a batman arkham like investigation mode so you can investigate crime scenes and then you can bisky. Put the clock pieces back together. Wind time and play through the scenario. That you've uncovered what you basically have to do is navigate through this seemingly symbol Seemingly simple story that starts off with the death of lee cuts on mrs perry who you find by accident because the cat is founded and it all starts from that from that you go. Onto a unusual objects attached to Robot brands and various things like that and it all gets very very strange. That had been such an. What's discount tales of the nancy. That's terrible then. Strange objects. attached robot brands is much better than say it's called tales of the dnc because the trial the dwelt was trying to get that kind of nineteen twenties private detective story vibe in something that is effectively a cyberpunk type story You know i. It's it's shape pulp novel. Eight as a cheap pulp level. But the reason why i say it's a throwback is because the you know it's a it's a to d perspective It looks like two d platforming game especially a to d adventure game right now putting click just a plan to d- adventure game Clarified concentrating shape. Pope adventure isn't a compliment. It's as fun from a compliment as you can get is it is. It is a cheap pulp adventure. It has all the hallmarks of cheap pulp adventure. It's done actually quite well. As a cheap pulp adventure in the form of a video game better than a lot of the ones that i've seen right I wouldn't say the best is up that with you know with the better ones the aesthetic. Obviously it's the cyberpunk aesthetic which i've seen in all sorts of other things not the cyberpunk twenty seven. A thing is nowhere near sleep is that this is all pixel and everything like that. A the thing is i kind of prefer cloud punk to tales of the neon. See in terms of just the overall vibe the game gives me. I think i preferred cloud punks freedom Say this can we move on from cyberpunk already. Yeah this is the thing. I i preferred. Cloud punks freedom and the ability to move around the city and then go down on street level. Walk around the street thing. I got from cyberpunk as fast open. Seas isolated paypal lots of red light district on lots of crime. I don't think you can really do that. In a lots of openness see. That's the thing tells the nancy it's trying to make it's trying to make the the environment feel enclosed in claustrophobic Almost a blade runner esque type vibe. But i'm letting massive often both of them to a degree. yeah bolt when it was on the street level. It felt very phobic. Yes because this is straight. I stress for tells the nancy's going for any kind of achieves up on it also doesn't right. There's a certain thing you know khalil usage when you make something too bright a becomes almost cartoonish but when you make it to dock. alternate has relentlessly l. Also becomes cartoons. That's one of the reasons why i couldn't take monitor steel seriously because it was just to dock the correct version amount of stale Yeah and be assured me that yeah. It worked so much better it so much. You take the story much more seriously in the just by correcting the cola. A making the cola own muted unless grad. I mean look at completely off topic here but invincible amazon prime series. Yeah super colorful on. It tells such a unique in complaint story. Yeah it doesn't think moody so let's have no is all doctor. Doom let's do it in the siping When yorkers grit and miami is like rambo what was up like a white fell one oscar. A couple of years ago the author. Something like that. Can you imagine Version that would just be a black screen. Don't want to invoke snyder's rub the snyder funds of gun foale crazy. I don't care about the kind of neither his social media Apparently a movie can't be do justice to fold story unless it's four hours long people complaining that the model comeback movie it quotation marks say is just too. I was a daily entire a gallery of characters. Justice on can i can. I just find out eights mortal kombat yet. It's like the pope pius still pulp fiction. It is the trashy est trash fiction. It doesn't even deserve an hour movie and yet we'll get the two zero one and you know what i'm going to enjoy every minute of those two hours because it looks like the done justice to the game for judge low all. I'm going to say his tells them the and say the reason i say it's the throwback is because it reminds me games. They used to play back in the back in the early nineties like Beneath you still sky and stuff like that. it's very much that type of gam. You don't see that type of game around a lot these days one game which. I think you will absolutely adore which is come out soon. I think its debut in again pass. It's a nwe. Mystery stealth game called born head on. I need to play it now. It looks awesome. That was not the game What was it sense. Cyberpunk goal story platinum plan. Not next month because Find got a copy of that. So i'm going to give that a try. See what i think of. It tells nancy's a perfectly serviceable of it. It just feels too old school for some people. That's all right. That's picked is part up and talk about an exciting cool invigorate in game. Sorry okay what we talk about. Though shedrov terminator rise in the tomb raider. I liked it. But i would never ever I said it had a memorable story. I didn't play that long ago. It was within the last nine months ahead said. Stop this like what's going on. What's happening in aided previously tomb. Raider at the beginning of it because honestly. I don't know what's happening. you see. what is it what's going on. You just sounded like Lower cross scrub are just. I'm happy at happily being across because it'd be lauded one like she's brought some random guy Early what's he do. My pain is story isn't a strong point of these games. no. I don't know what's going on all it best. It doesn't even cam the storm s pianist. It trinity trinity a bad Stumping david nothing night. We go ups. What does the you'll have to say about this. I don't know. But you got yuppie joyner who could cook and your best friend. A problem here is the reason. Why like rice him read. It was because it made you feel like you really adventuring and the combat was really radio. Solid yeah i didn't like about the pled the original chairman and going back way back the original and once livery one yet once he got past that it's starting to get a little bit too invested in its own puzzles. Yeah its own supernatural. Mythos as well What was it took the angel of darkness in what was the other one. It's been so many rub. The i think it was to andrew documents and then those tomb raider underworld and then there was a few of the things they kind kinda tried to do. A soft reboot of tomb raider by remaking the original game for the playstation two. Yeah i mean. That's the reason why i don't like this is i'm basically repeating i'm saying about ratchet clank eight plays well enough for kinda solis care about any of the characters it doesn't write them in a compelling way got interesting mechanics like you can hide in the bushes. I knew how the s on you can pull people in the bushes. Which sounds like the most fast innuendo. That's that's an when she come out in the muddy bush's a fast as all messy. She keeps them walking. She's not going any modern. And you have a fight with a leopard. It gives you the back Just sounds wrong but it. Just don't care it's free game it was part of. Ps plus a few months spark. And if i've got the fray miserable give it a goal already paid for. It doesn't cost anything to try. And even then it's just there's nothing compelling about. I don't have the character. Admittedly it's given us a reality to loot at lara croft which is fun but at the same time it is nothing about it which has any sort of you know again which games tend to have like one finger says. This is who we are this we're going for. This is what we're gonna try and do something new and fresh with you get me. Yeah go back like an old thing on bring bacchanal thing that we used to love to read a shadow of the tomb. Raider issue said no the tomb raider game and that sound horribly cynical. But that's all you can really say it just another tomb. Raider game is too many of them. See this is the sad thing right when the original to read a games came out on the playstation one yet to read then you had Tomb raider where the added new mechanics to what lower could do then at two to three. Whether additive mama case. I think they added the swing. Flannigan three was raised. Probably the best team rated was and then after that they did the lust revelation which was a bizarre game. I think that was about lara being a kid again then the tomb raider chronicles and then angel darkness and then legend and then anniversary then on world and then the rebooted it i think diversity was the soft reboot and then they rebooted on the playstation three pint say nah i'll be just because she had the waiter eight eight when you thought you were going to make use of it no i. I've actually played all of the tube Games in the main series. And i mean all of them and now the now that i got out because i couldn't remember which ones are actually pled turns out play the mall and i thought it will games in the series than they're actually out and the thing that puzzles me about shadow of the tomb. Raider is that an even riser. The tomb raider is a lot of the stuff that they're doing this stuff that they already did in one of the previous games the game. Yeah honestly i think tim riddick could thank vanish flight until playstation six xbox. He gb addition. Honestly i wouldn't care. I don't think many people would carry Doesn't really set any house on fire. It's just more of the same. I if they did something where Say that was a game where maybe nathan drag Unloader kroft They will both playable characters in game. That's the funny thing you know it was supposed baby effectively tomb raider game. The original chatted yet. He was supposed to be like a male companion of lara croft by kind of moth in its own thing. Yes but can you imagine if nathan drake had to go against laura croft in You know to get the treasure. The game was basically. You can either play as la crosse always drake and you'd play it from that perspective and you had to beat laura to the to the treasury all lower house to be nothing breakthrough the treasurer. That'd be an interesting spin on the whole idea. I think in shot gets a pass because it values character so much yet on. Its gameplay is kind of secondary to the character in the what is the jets Everything second to Everything is secondary to everything everything secondary to lower being assault assault over things and swing of things. And i don't know the suddenly be a push really heavy blocks in various puzzles. Laura you skinny arms however you getting the obstacle for the tomb raider Mileage out of the famous cartoon kinda cute. Yes yes yes yes it has. Yes as yes. Oh right okay I think i'm gonna brown things off with a false negative. No no with with some positivity round things off entirely things up nice and neatly just before you get in. I'm i don't hit games right. This is my really hit and games. I understand bad month of bad games. That's all at all five hundred of games. I'm sorry right. Look it's time to tidy taddeo okay. And this is this could easily be called Maria was marie. Kondo or marie kondo again. If it doesn't take joy get shot of it. S mary yeah it could literally be called thought and all i can say is hats off the bench. Visita opponent releasing this donna county. It's a strange shot game. that is kinda zen. It only lasts about two hours right during those two hours. A as if you've tidied up everything in your life. Nice and nate. And you're free of all the clubs to and you've basically reached the stay of state of cobb but it just wouldn't achieve novelty. He just you sit there like Because everything is clean on the screen. There are no random rock off rousers Mcclements up happy. buffet Tagme kicker this onto the road. Yes basically yes quite literally is there is there is there is there is kind of story that basically There's two friends and became a raccoon. Beka has taken over the local donut shop and when the the problem is that when beka send when they've gotten up on everyone's phones that they can audra donna from. Bk doesn't send you donna. He just sends the hall from the donald. Not scam and the reason why he does because he's trying to reach level ten so he can get himself a quad copter and then in brag about every brag about it with a with everybody but the problem is most of the story takes place. I think it was nine hundred ninety nine feet below the town where all of the town has kind of lound up and all of the inhabitants of the town have wound up because of all the holes because people have been altering doughnuts using. Bk's up. i'll come on now. This is about two hours. And i'm not gonna go into It literally does tell you this right at the beginning of the game. So it's not really a spoiler right but the thing is you keep playing the game not just for the zen like the zen like feeling That you get from cleaning up a level as in like cleaning everything. Plans birds animals snakes. Whatever they're all in the whole You get amari. it's kind of a reverse kind of because you start with small up with a big hole. That sounds really wrong. I say out loud innuendo and this episode rub sign apologies to anyone. Who fell for that. Innuendo was intentional But anyway as an apologies anybody's offended by big calls. It is kind of the reverse category in this sound really wrong even more. But it's also about how you can use the whole. Not how you out all. Wow that's fine misfits where you know. You can swallow cub. Fai swallow some calls in the whole can shoot fire. It's because a you in saudi eva. Ball wrong now. It was perfectly all so right. A place to slime run shit because some jokes about lotto in. You don't account e- right. There's some things well donut county. That i just the level of creativity. That's called into these aspects of donna. County is just like it. It's it's one of those games that i will go back and play when i'm just feeling down and blue with that. Just want to while away. The jackie chan video games a fact checking channel video games. The dialogue in is really charming. I'm really funny. But i think the really the really key thing is the trashing pedia reading the entries on the trash. Pedia will mix we chuckle and smile. All of the time right now. We go if everywhere documentary. Miniseries is part of this family of showers. we've got going on it's name is going to be called trisha pedia from us trash so said but the pressure -pedia is basically everything they'll falls in the hall Gets an entry on the trash pedia but the entries are written by. Pk and beka is satanic and Willful on really doesn't give a crap. About what the object is. He's just going to give his own opinion on what the object is even if it's accurate l. Correct all possibly even politically correct. Okay and that's what makes the entries really furry. Yes i will say to everybody how garbage day hero the game actually actually complete each level. The game says how the garbage day gives you a nice little like nice little flower motif with zo right okay. My name's quinton. Flynn i'm here on the geek show. Why because i play rydin in the metal gear series. I am lightning the rain transformed and i have been transformed by hanging out on this show so tune in and turn on. You'll love it. The geek show it rocks. Hello and welcome to news. Trash the weekly edition of news here on the geek show where we look the past. Seven days of what's been happening in the world of video games and have a good ole talk about on is being very productive for these past couple of weeks. I am rob. And as i'm joined by prob joined by ver- prob trump. i don't know. I i am happy to be the prob. You know how we in front of your name it just kind of. It's a statement is. There's a wrestler who come brian kendrick or he calls himself the brian kendrick so it gives yet know it gives you a little bit more own. Can you imagine walking into a job interview yourself like that. Yes swaggie. I am though rob anyhow we hit playstation because this is gonna come up again this week the news has the news has been very much anti list Out the where where we are unknown. That's all i'm saying that okay. Okay we will talk more about that. Innovates okay everybody not just putting that as front we are embitterment so moving all no follow up to a story that we did not not long ago. Which was about luke boxes. I yeah the interesting thing about the loop boxes. The report from the university of plymouth and the university will remain You know that was that was requested by the gablers charity. saying that. A luke's structurally and psychologically akin to gambling. Now things have started happening on that front. Brazil for example has launched an inquiry to bonn loot boxes completely. No well yeah. that's now. The brazilian authorities have launched an inquiry aiming to biden. Luke blue boxes in that country on the recommendation of the national association of children and adolescent defense centers which you know is Basically a glorified. Dan downfall like child protection agency. Yeah New need protecting people gambling addiction problems but still yes. Somebody's doing last name pop up now. The the thing is there's an interesting off shoot from. I think that that's going to be something that You know this is going to get cited all over the place we know. The thing is momentum is moving in a way. It's t loop boxes now. So think so. Sony amount of time befall device ray the titans on the economic model for gaming interesting. You say that because that leads me onto the it's an interesting opinion piece that Rob he wanted the country attitudes for game industry dot biz. He's done apiece on apple and google Suggesting that they Because they've already suggested that they Sorry they've already indicated a desire to move that move their platforms away from the free for all monetization muddled make it. More structured have more rules and regulations on. He suggesting that they you know they could pull the plug on the whole more games won t monetization because it leaves a free for all at the moment. It's basically this is where the loop loobox model came from. It came from out game platform. Mobile glam mobile game. Monetization is broad line. Evil the one where it says you can play this game for an hour and then you know stamina boy if you wanna put a longer. He got up here. Yes that's really nasty a strategy game. Lots of things. Those things need to be much more regular it because they involve money and now that this is happening were boxes that solely about retiring before people turn their eyes towards the mobile games market and say. Hey i about yeah. it's all linked. The interesting thing here is to for a long time. Get the faith in the video. Game industry was kind of going along. unregulated like it was master of the world and nothing could touch it. Oh god yes. Did you get the impression from. It wasn't just me was no the reason why it will. You felt like that was because that was quite literally what was happening. And i've been saying years the needs to be more regulation and video games right. I know people People are going out. There are going to disagree with me right. they're gonna disagree with me On with what. I've got to say here. But here's the thing right when you have an industry as as heavily unregulated video games industry has historically bay then you basically leave the door open for all sorts of to be done right chaperone as an volt choose to make their millions. Let me give you an example of the things that can happen. When aiman unregulated video games industry right sixers volusia e. donate us. Anything else that. No i i. There's a there's an actual story here right. Yeah it's a game exists billion. Go on one of the biggest muslim advocacy groups in america in the. Us have called on Sony microsoft involve to not distribute six days of flu They've described the game as an arab murder. Stimulant that will only normalize violence against muslims in america and around the world just to clarify this is basically said promotional pace that american soldiers don't make mistakes and they're always right too soon. As the era buildings so you know human kospi downs and is also as one of development said also run dimly generating these towns in randomly generating the civilians it completely dehumanizing as papal. Yeah live iraq and live in syria and live in places like this so yeah this the fact that this game was allowed to happen you know. Here's the fake The gaming according to the letters according to the council on american islamic relations right The gaming industry must stop dehumanizing muslims and this general call for the industry itself to stop doing this which i actually agree with Having you know having faceless mooks is one thing but when when you have games that constantly describe arabs as terrorists which a lot of games have historically the gaming industry must stop dehumanizing muslims video games like six days influ only served to glorify violence that took the lives of hundreds of iraqi civilians justified. The rockwall with was illegal and reinforce on muslim sentiment at a time when animals lem bigotry continues to threaten human life which are all very valid points. Any moving on. We're going to continue on. We're gonna we'll still used to cut to plow through But yeah like. I said things like that can happen. In an unregulated video games industry although things that can happen in an unregulated video games industry are the esl confirming that Twenty twenty one is going to be free free an online only said but let it try and put. I was about to say that was right after they got a massive backlash because of the suggestion that that might be the paywall. Honestly don't think this just last year. Basically made the kessler events like a free. Don't need to happen. That digital is cheaper. The is more accessible on the control. of games petitions of games can control the compensation in house. Something talked about the same time. There was too much of it. Yeah i couldn't keep up with geoff. Keighley suma game fest. Which movie too much of it. so. I'm happy to a phrase back in a with it consulting compact all of these things into one weekend wherever is but at the same time with being digital is no reason for anybody to be involved is no reason for any of these companies have put that name on the sheet that are going to be that to give that big announcements. Save their big announcement so when they want a controller. Compensation i can say this. Latest bay in the middle of the so india showcase our small game showcase this opinion however right or not remand while i was i was about to Poke holes in what you just said literally about a poke holes in what you just said. That's the thing isn't it. Ali games companies controlling the compensation of making about them. Raveling sharing the spotlight industry of super competitiveness. Right now where. The mindshare is pretty much equal between experts microsoft than need to have the opportunities to have most of the mind share. So i don't think this is going to bait old fashioned a free event with all of the big surprises and all the big announcements. I do our account dot com happen. We know that but when you talking about you know. It's going to be reduced to like an indie showcase happen either. With macra several small scale gameshow lebanon. Lebanon lebanon yeah. Let me explain that you know. Eight three is gonna be between the twelfth and fifteenth june basically Several companies several Major companies have already Thrown their support and backing eighty three digit lonely thing And i think part is because it's the esn that are charged. Ray three behind some of the things that the espn did. When it was an event it was like five hours. Have a cop in your birth. Yeah we're going to go into that when going to But an nintendo xbox Capcom comey ubisoft. Take to warner brothers and koch media of They're basically confirmed that they will. The economic confirmed that they're gonna be patted. That's interesting because kind of being vacant from game sort of very long time so that that has me interested modern day. Free of the pethick honest yet. The thing that's notable law from list is that e plus session have yet to confirm whether they're going to be part of the three plus playstation one and again station. Don't want to say anything. these days. The yourself very very silent but e af kind of mid their own thing. ea So have ubisoft ubisoft forward. So have microsoft dash showcases. Everybody has but the only benefit i can say. This is the companies. Want everything become packed in that. Saw of bristle mania wakened the super bowl weekend the final weekend wherever expelling analogy want the the econ be completely controlled in somewhere. It was when he was the only game in town. Yeah exactly like companies could escalate have a free conference but can also go ahead and they will things all of ood while the this which which just on this last point which completely undermines the value of a free brown. Okay with that. See i see this is the thing. Esa how i think have leverage a lot of stuff to get this off the ground. I think they have leverage a lot of lot of stuff to get this three off the ground because a one point it might have happened especially with sony on square on microsoft during their own showcases already this year. I this isn't to die for a free exactly. I think the throwing a lot of exit this this year to make this happen and don't think the remotely close to the same level of power Exactly we did mention sony And obviously we are at point rob. So yes so. I've got a stress again. We don't have tony. We don't have microsoft. We don't intend to be. I'm beverley about them all. We like we like all of them as much as we dislike. All of them will play games on all of the platforms. But this repulsed by jesse jackson. Freya on blue schreyer but yeah schreier sharia however you pronounce his name. I've seen right. I've seen responses to this report. And i've seen a lot of pro playstation responses to this report where they routed tried to downplay the angle on the contacts realization. That he's that he's put on. Well that's straps and bullet is because there's a lot in Isn't the yes. There's a lot well number one is. There's a company was opened san diego on their remit to be making their own game and it was forever like the question was gonna make when go to announce it at a coke gestion. Try talk to somebody who was a former head in now. Left on passing basically said that tried to report the idea of a regional game. It was shot down. That tried to push the idea of uncharted one. Ps fight shutdown. I don poachers the right word. broach. maybe so. I said you said poach. Both sides sorry raw women. Yeah the finally settled on Basically five remake of the original voice which fact alone is kind of pointless because it's the ps full remake. So is this going to obey basically saw knees Five but essentially what it comes down with that is even though the company was great. Maximum thing that was shut down every single level by the heads of sony. Yeah there was the were. In particularly shutdown by herman halts the former head of guerrilla games and now worldwide had studio and also penn studios wanted to make a secret at day's gone but that was shot down so arena the company that rubs on about a song as visual arts service group. They were headed by michael mumba. And they basically would you know. The last was remake for playstation five You know you got the no dog apologists. Jumping on board with this saying you know. Oh obviously you need dodgy. Dog involved You don't understand. They're the ones who made the game. They're the only ones who can understand how the you know how this game should be made what people fail to realize is that visual art service group will also one of the companies that worked on the original of game. Doing a lot of the leg work for there was a comment in the article as well. How sick that is implied heavily. This a studio. Japan was shut down the. They don't want to put money behind games in quotation marks only successful in japan which is a massive kick in the teeth for the japanese market. Which when you say the new stories of this passan's that studio in japan Japan another person's that studio japan instead of this new studio kabul kept studios breath does highlights inova phrase in knee article which one hundred percent stamp by because they are quite often with saying of new franchises Clearly not as open minded as their candidate but anyway not phrase was. Sony is becoming increasingly risk of us. Saudi thing is like any big corporation. they are risk averse and consecutive the they are increasingly conservative. Right a normal terms in novel. Lemon steps let me. Let me see if i can explain this right. Okay okay right. This is a hard and fast rule but in general you'll see that this is the case right the richer you are the more conservative you become. Yes kinda true. That's a fundamental affects you know. Individuals families businesses doesn't matter and sony i one of the richest companies in the world. One of say even cliven classroom. I they not even close not even not even other non the top twenty new really. Nope i think the west ninety. Seven billion microsoft is over a trillion. I am apples with over a trillion amazon's over trillion. So ended today sony. Beg so they should be. They should think. I will look at a sports are known twenty companies on the planet. No way no way. Jose no way jose i thought they would be. But it's still point is success. His sutton formula works. I can understand why. Sony would have this idea that if it ain't broke. Don't fix it at the same time. The industry is changing so this increasingly conservative angoras came up. This article is citing to explain a lot. As far as the figureheads of the company as far as only story happening Having no common passed on it as games pass being huge drive to people deciding again xbox head of the playstation name not doing anything about it so the conservative angle israeli running through sony right now that really nip in the episode. Because as much as we talk about this dangerous stuff. Sony damaging themselves nor real damage is being caused. That do something. The real damage is caused. See i i disagree. I think real damage has already been caused. Okay not found to stop for now. I think that's already been caused tubs of stock prices in terms of shareholders Sony the continues that sony i developed the rolled vegetal game pass which we've known for a while right and that's one things that that a lot of the pro sony sector of the famous Banking on That banking on that happening now. I would like see more concrete details on what they have planned. Because even on the back of this article by jesse. Jackson trail Schreier sharia on the back of this article Because the article as a focused on the fact. That sony want blockbusters. They won the playstation five blocks to machine which i actually do agree with I do agree with the with idea. I think sony have made themselves an inhospitable plays playstation has become an inhospitable place for indie developers When you look at I in video game chronicle have done to articles about the Digital only games that will disappear when the sony When the playstation close it stalls and of those there are hundred three games that apparently according to their research won't be available anywhere after the stars clause that number the george laws tune higher wasn't solicitation now as well the majority of those games that will disappear completely are indians and the the thing is i've looked into this whole Sony of bisky said you can download the games right. And they put on their faq how You know how do i access my own games. You can download your own. Content onto your. Ps three ps reader. Nps devices by accessing the download list on the respective device. Now here's the thing right. This is just the a tiny bit of Lack of false. I here the download list on the playstation three. Where was it rub. You remember on the star. Yeah it was the same on the psp on on the ps rita so in order to get to the download list on that device. You have to go to the plants. They should stall on that device. Which is no longer accessible on that device to access the download last remaining mcnasty hair as really pushing it to one side. So let's just station news. It's the latest in a series of bad days. Yeah they should saw. It's it's it's a lot of bad press with the moments Maybe they'll be some good press. Maybe almond jelly will come out in the balance even But yeah they'll have some big announcement that elect site fans yet. It's seems we really really negative news this week because counterstrike gore cs goal is under investigation By the east integrity commission and the fbi on spy basically they're investigating match-fixing mcs and This is kind of on the back of ten cents and the chinese authorities boasting that massive cheating ring in china. You know that was the you know whether recommend was like seventy seventy six million dollars that made And this is a. this is another cheating mets. That's being At being investigated The part of the actual figures on how much they're making the integrity commission recently issued thirty five binds to australian cs co-players for betting on their own matches Apparently there's an organized much fixing a group. In america that involves a relatively small but significant group of players this just as an illustration of how much video games culture has grown overly as the fbi will be involved in cracking down on illicit tactics illicit money-making from set and titles. But again we come back to this. Whole idea of unregulated video games industry. Yeah it's aware. Scott free with where too much too long and it feels they are now. That reality is really sinking into the video. Game industry speaking of own regular it Twitch which has a lot of funds on it has of says lot As they set a new monthly view shipwreck off in march with two point. Zero six billion hours watched according to scream elements Ex partner ran dot. Jj that's that's a lot of people watching people play things that's not what twitch surely as twitch has all sorts of things going on it it's real april one. Ask us this story just to stop the second. Ask this question. Why do people watch over people. Play video games. Yeah went up game yourself the answer. I just want the people who watch this. The luncheonette question comment below why people watch people play video games. I want your opinion. I just want somebody who does it. They tell me below in the comments. Place okay down anyway Grand theft auto five was the most watched game for much with one hundred eighty one million hours followed by league of legends on fought night Called you wall zone and microsoft is radio platt because that's eight eight year old game. Though yet i missed the first time that tag i've talked. Auto five has topped the list of the most watched games on twitch Bought they also right. Stream elements have also identified a growing interest in a particular type of stream on a power twitch users have spent over two million hours. Watching streamers sleep on a single stream has accounted for most of those. Yeah this is a. We used to have like a geek show. That's the name of. We are not used to be a show as well and that was the show in which at the end way where we talked about. All sorts of weird things happen in Bruhns are upset with this week. Ailing musicians. it's amazing. How many of those things crossover and this feels like a starry from that because in not Story out how. Somebody korean guy just is studying yet thousands of viewers. And we're just doing it. It's like i was in end. Spend like an hour a day. A record himself for an hour a day studying mean that with the camera and like just behind him and all you'd see is him studying for our had some like half a million views. How are you doing this. What kind of baljic a using literally. Nothing going on so. It's the same with this. I don't understand it but it's not the same thing it try onto stunned is just the way it s emma community on the internet is just bonus honestly that come that far below why people watch people playing video games. I want to understand. This can get get develop a slob. Bras have made a they are in the process of making a hundred space adventure called harold halibut and they've released another the released a story trailer for the game which is simply called harold halibut. That's context. He was first trailed twenty seventeen with it as a trailer which basically had the whole title character cleaning down wall. Hide it very much. A mystery at Aggress it was arrested but the big elephant in the room was it wasn't animated away with any game really has been far. The visual look of the game was as if it's been hand animated with clay movie lake walson crummy movie boy video the automation. The odd i. I think it's one of the most striking games out saying for a long long time. It reminds me of kopech near guide of when you see video game which genuinely looks like one of a kind. You realize how much all games that the same. Yeah exactly huckabee head unhurried halibut so striking so stony exactly. They started out so much. And the thing is i think they've actually hunt automated pretty much Pretty much all of it to an because they don't know how that works an animated by code and it's really confusing. I think what they've done the done the honda dimension i then on the court to fit the honda animation rather than the other way round. Yeah so when so basically they've they've animated for as many different scenarios is that can come up with and then they'll basically Round out by fitting in other scenarios that they couldn't think of in the first place so they've got the quote to fit all of it And i think that's that's the way the bid doing a bought. The second journal is a game plan. Trail doesn't really show much game plan wondering around the world. Save an expanded gameplay star trailer. How old is a young lobbyist and who is also live his life on bald cities. I'd spaceship so beneath nearly an ocean. two hundred and fifty years after it flat earth to preserve the human race Most of the city's mostly ships in inhabitants of reconcile. Them lives to life lived abroad. The sunken ship the lead. Scientists still works tirelessly to find a way for the ship to leave the planet and find a new dryer home to me this field. You know the story trail feels a little bit A little bates A little bit cycles a little bit. monkey island a little bit of the quirkiness and the humor of that mixed with some of the point and click adventure. -ness of getting games like broken salt and stuff like that and the damn re looking forward to john about it because it's still on. Both trailers is coming soon and have a website. So i don't platform is coming to. I don't know when it's coming out. But it's a game to keep an eye on and i'll definitely going from what this is what we're going to be doing. It doesn't necessarily need to. I can big triple a trail that some new trailer interesting. From that way. Find interest in that we're going to highlight the second of every episode of new stretch going forward as a nice little note to end on especially this week went. All the news is bad. We need to have uplift uplift on the back end of the show. Make things a little bit more positive both. Yes but is it for this week's edition all news trash. If you're listening on the podcast provide find you very much pleased subscribe. Please do plays duke agreeing because it helps us standout in incredibly incredibly incredibly incredibly incredibly crowded marketplace boats. Yeah also this pitch on check that out but for now We'll be back next week This being a very hectic past week we've lost to content videogame stuff at trust next week so until next time. Thank you very much for listening and watching.

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Streaming In Place: Gravity Falls S02E0304

The Televerse

24:28 min | 4 months ago

Streaming In Place: Gravity Falls S02E0304

"To the television streaming and gravity fall. Hello everybody and welcome back to streaming and place is as calls. It joined by it. Drives up the scotty no kirkpatrick and a hold on. I forgot allston sugar. Everybody lost pulpits the ever. Funny loves puppets. Good one. I'll find. I was gone for the drag rich afri- if if i if i could synergy there Before we get into these episodes and before we get alison's quick take the last two in case anybody is listening to this but doesn't listen to the tele verse which fair if you do you're missing out but fair but fair enough fair enough you know. Maybe they're alison stands. Who are who are listening for that reason. That's an excellent reason to listen News i'm pregnant. Yea i'm doing june So as boy in june we will be wrapping up streaming in place and we will be going on hiatus hopefully forever because hopefully we don't find ourselves in the lockdown again but we'll see So the plan currently is to finish gravity fall season two than we have plans for. What's next for the month of may aggravate To april yet another were planning on for may and then we'll see about how june goes if we you know if we're up for you know maybe we'll try to do some form of the lucifer of season five. Be right at the end of may. We'll see how it goes. That will be more by air. Depending on you know how useless. I am at that stage of But the just so you all know. That's the plan that's happening so we don't you're useless for podcasting. You will not be useless for other things like keeping a small thing. Ally will hopefully be not uses. That fingers crossed But other things dislike nope that's like don't kill it all the energy going into that but anyway we have a lot to talk about elson has heart so we need to get right in to the topic so first of all ellison what did you think of the beginning of season two of gravity falls. We had The bunker the bunker into the bunker and we also had scary. Okay with the first episode Well first of all the first thing. I texted kate was. Does it really count as three part harmony if it's just octaves So so that was where my brain was out with that one which i otherwise very much. Enjoy my favorite bit of those episodes though as it was the first time where wendy's ever seemed like a person She also seemed like a fantasy. But that seems intentional at least in this episode With her lara croft moment But i really enjoyed the the dipper wendy coversation quite a lot. I thought that was super well. Handled and mark hamill of course was great. You weren't kidding about the guest stars this season. Yup well did you. Did you pick the the scary akiga star. I don't remember refresh me Nick offerman yes. Immediately i mean come on. He's got a very distinctive voice a lot. Like the guest star. In the first of these two episodes. I mean and there is another like the other guy is not as like known to us as one. So here for these episodes we've got The gulf war And yeah and then we also have Sock opera so nolan going to you. We really liked these episodes. I remember talking about these episodes back in the day They still hold up. And there's music of course i'm gonna love it. What did you think of these. Do they hold up in your memory. Like were they as good re watching when you like as far as our memories were. Yeah no i. The gulf is just really zany wacky. And i really enjoy it But soccer is just a powerhouse of episode. It's really funny. It's really kind of dark differs. Just the best boy. These are sure. Durable are But yeah so. They definitely held up and i was really glad to revisit. Both of them and they're just really delightful and the thing. I really like about gulf war I that it just explains everything about meek gulf that you really need to know which is all the courses are sentient. And that's why you can never. That's why they favor. Some people more than others Teens who yes. Exactly alison howard howard. These we ever have them. We've been very excited about the no not at all I really enjoyed both of them. One of my favorite conventions in john restore retelling is when somebody comes up with a way to really surprise you with a mystery in this case they even said like the one of the great mysteries of the world the great unsolved mysteries as wide as many of work the way it does and then they actually explained it which i never saw coming and it made so much sense it was so fun it was a great way of taking a story the ending of which could not have been more predictable Like everybody learns a lesson and they have to unite. It was it's you know it's a classic But the way they went about it was so unexpected that i really appreciated that and then sock opera. Not my sucks up. I enjoyed the music in both of these episodes but sock copper in particular I'm sort of amazed by how much they manage to put into it. Because both of the plots felt like distinct plots and yet they fit together seamlessly. I think Just really and excellent episode so for gulf war. Let's go through some of these The voice cast here. We've got a frankly. I know as sergei. We've got patent. Oswald is franz We got a greg sites as fast cummings as pirates Little putty is back as as debt as preston north west and Oh john o.'hurley as the night kajol. Oh yeah kevin. Michael richardson as big henry. We are talking about that So you guys have a favorite hole on the golf course. Did you have a favorite store. I feel like you have to go to the minors like. I wonder what's happening now. There wacky adventures. You like. I really appreciate that detour with the miners Of ya know. Some of these aren't good. Some of them are actually quite bad and it was just real brutal. So watching watching being henry pull out that little Dry she passed away from the ghastly brutal. It's a little dark show. You know what that reminded me of when when you're playing dnd and And the party just ruth. This is on the brain. Because i played d. with kate on friday The party just ruthlessly murder someone so then the dion make it as as pitiful as possible as an example on friday they had like written Friends forever in the dirt of their camp and like all of that stuff. If that's what it reminded me of lay it out as thick as possible in exactly that circumstance and it's only going to be darker and Funnier but mostly darker the hard cut to pacifica and mabel standing on the golf course and then cutting back to it just fell by the little mini high-fives messed up in the most interesting way. Just yeah i feel like it's very easy. Well first of all. They shouldn't have tried to rob a party freshly out of fighting in a chance at accident. Like second of all those great absolutely fully on board with that That's that's inside for like the. If any of the other people in the party listened to the podcast this should probably don't But also i feel like it's very easy this upset because everything. Golf course is so delightful to just focus on that. But i feel like we should also take say isn't a nice to have pacifica back do As someone who is a violin teacher and is a violin teacher in naperville ville which will be meaningful to people in from the chicago. Land area You know kind of suburbs Let's say could connect with certain parts. You're going to connect real her a few a few weeks. Yeah there's another really good. Pacifica upset coming. Yes there's an excellent Very fortunate to not have to deal with much of that but ooh the stories. You hear through the grapevine. Do you guys any thoughts on the pacifica corner of this than just having her back. It's a fun dynamic. Very like regina. George meets paris. Geller which is which. I very much appreciate I'm looking forward to hopefully continuing to explore that dynamic. I know we're we're running out of gravity falls episodes but But i very much enjoyed their their team up. Yeah there's another pacific coming up in a couple of weeks for us. I think probably next week next week. Yeah yeah that's really good and continues with these dynamics in even a more aggressive way so it's actually really good marcus of by the way they let the cat out of the bag on sharing the real world secrets of mini golf. Yeah like i don't know how that's why Holy had to wait. You know a few years to start because we need people to forget before they launched that. Do we have any final thoughts or any things who wanted to shout out in this episode before von. No i just really enjoyed it. I think it only suffers by comparison. That is the next one is so excellent that this one is just sort of typically eight as opposed to really outstanding. Speaking of the next one is so excellent sock opera. Somehow i had forgotten. Bill is in this one. Oh all the puppets stuff so well That i forgot i was like okay already back. Oh yeah that's right so it was just like an extra little treat for me. Welcome back bill. A ellison How what was your initial. Take re surprised. By the puppets. Surprised by bill. What did you think. I was surprised by all of it. I don't know why. I didn't think puppets When you told me the title of the next one was sock opera. It seems like my brain should have gone there. But it just didn't i was i was thinking sock hop and the navarrese basically is what i was expecting somehow This was better I love that they're staying treated maples boy crazy thing but making it a different flavor every time it's a runner and We get a little tiny piece of that in the last episode too but But i think really works in that. It seems to affect her in a similar way. But she reacts differently every time which is great. The puppets were amazing. public graphical stand in particular. Just wonderful But for me it was the entrance of will and the puppet twist there that really makes the episode because it makes all of mabel stuff that much funnier and more tense because you realize all the chaos that's happening behind the scenes so it's not just going to pull this off. Is it going to go terribly badly. Because bill is putting popping dippers body. I'm gonna drink like a human deaths. A human clone of a band maybe right markets to say a maple did realize that she dodged a bullet with gabe. See again this growth. She's learning less valuable life lessons while maple knoll how how was this. Do you remember about bill. Yeah i know. I did remember bill. yeah i think alison's point about how both of these what should be plots come together to do. A two part harmony. Works really really well. And i was delightful because bill is so big and the only place that could contain. Bill is a musical quite frankly especially like that. Involves gabe sock. Puppet big gave going off to war to fight what looks like a monster of some kind I love all of it. I just love all of it So i think all of the components of it just from dipper faustian bargain. That he doesn't anticipate because. Of course bill thinks of everyone is puppets to navigating all their stuff together as twins. Because i like when they both end up having to kind of diverge from one another in their goals. They're supportive but only up to a point or up to whatever is happening that week. I think that there's a lot of really good drama to mine. And they find lots of really good human connections in that as a result That are just. I think for me enhanced when you get someone like gabe who makes out with his hands or just the presence of bill in general or mabel going back to the dressing room going thirty six more musical numbers to go. You've got this so many numbers. Mabel that so many somebody is done once south pacific before that tells me i own magician if you can find more times finding yeah lots still i for so good. I also really liked the reverend outfit of that ends up in this just so good and so specific by evil like walk just like us as well. It's night of the hunter is thank you. I was trying to place it hundred. Yes that is exactly what it back. It's it's so it was such a lovely touch because it makes perfect sense. That maples comedy would end with a wedding as comedies. Do but you put it in. If it was on dipper it would have just been weird. But you put it on bill dipper. And it's deranged and terrify. It was so smart. This show has done so well with the tweaks to the animation. Know like we mentioned this before when they had vice break. But all it takes is the is and it's just dippers really upset i granted there's other things that have changed the look how the character moves for bipper versus dipper. But have a like. It's just those pupils in. It's just oh man. It's so it's very. It's very upsetting in also. You know like again like yeah. This is the show if the big henry thing scared you off last episode. It's probably for the best. Because i don't know if you're going to handle this one Other favorite moments from from these this episode in particular the things that stand out besides just like here's a skull screaming I mean i feel like those. Are the details. We should be focusing on. But i also i. This was an app. These actually this pair of episodes I really appreciate it. A lot of the details like like pacific his dad reading aficionado magazine and There's an overly emotional cereal. We see they're using the dino skull as an end table and in this one in particular it's all of wendy's camp on the roof of the mystery shack was a detail i just really loved It was so funny. Oh we also haven't talked about the. W i know that was the last episode but but shout out to the w next year that was such a good gag. Is there anything else with this one. candy needs to do some growing The puppet design was amazing And i want it known that. Tom was sort of half watching me while i was watching. And when Gabe said the girl last night did a single stitch anna cross-stitch. Tom said what is he had drag race judge which i just loved So so those are my those we mean drag race judge like i just can't even imagine that like they could just take michelle off and replace them with gabe and it'll be solid. Be like janna when she's on america's kids got us exempt back up your mother. I do wanna Goodness i had something. I want to call out but now my brain is like it's gone now because of dry greece. Sorry you're off as just like perfect casting for gabe which is like. I didn't realize it was going. I was like yeah that that tracks. That's good i worked really well I did. I did like that. No one really noticed. That dipper was being weird. Like none of his sudden unearned confidence was. They're calling windy. Read like there's no acknowledgment of anything. We're going on with dipper. Despite the fact that there should clearly be something aware of weight. This kid's acting weird but not in the normal. We are just in the bad weird. And i like no one really catches onto that at all Which says how much they're not pitch interesting ida different take. That is because all of the bad weird is so easily chalk up abol to has not slept in twenty four to forty eight. That's fair that's a fair point by that you know like this. The the equivalent rough equivalent for for us for bill is like if you're if you just existed on no sleep like and what that feels like in the loop in like the gist out of out of your own mind that happens when you are to sleep deprived. And then the fact that that is his downfall is at the end is absolutely delightful. Human bodies man they suck while any final thoughts markets if you have any thoughts of them in the chat otherwise we will will buy like. It's easy to say like start doing the chris farley. Show right and quoting things. That are awesome about it. The shot of the audience and maples. I've seen enough movies now. This is whenever they all start booing. That's delightful i like the shot that expression with the when the like the fire is raining down Marcus labeled it immediately. Believe dipper was possessed when pepper Dipoto and that's yes. That's good i like that. She's been in this town. Lana right. she's like yet that tracks. That's next sense. We didn't need to call out the actual puppets of the stinger for sock opera. Yes my favorite stinger of the series so far Really made it for me. Was the switch back to animation like the civil and ali vibe then jumping right back to being a mabel dream. I thought was amazing. I was really hoping that we were going to see Kristen schumer jason ritter But it yeah. That's singer was great. Yeah and Just great the stan and the Mcguckin topics yes the statler and waldorf good to the thing. They look really really good. I like that. Also that juxtaposition of we made to sock puppets. And then we made these two actual puppets and it's really cool. They just got so much more money for this season as we'll see in next week definitely Well we we we have. We have to keep it short today. So we're gonna wrap it up there but yeah these are delightful. I'm very glad you android them. Alson and certainly i him. It was such a good yeah. It's a it's a blast. Now for wednesday we three episodes. And then we'll be back to two after that until the finale. Because it's three part finale in otherwise we'd have one on its own so we're going to do three able to it at this point in the season so episodes five six and seven and the titles are five sousse and the real girl then we have episode six little gift shop of horrors and then for number seven. We have society of the blind eye. Okay i'm just like you're not you're missing out expressions. Because they're delightful so alison for these three episodes. I am gonna make zero guesses about susan. The real girl. I feel like there is no safe guests for me to make Based on that title For those of you who don't know that reference please look up lars and the real girl And just read the just read a little blurb. You don't need to read the whole synopsis. Just just check out the premise. And you will understand why I reacted the way i did. Which was in absolute shock Little gift shop of horrors okay So something in the gift shop comes to life. Maybe the vending machine. I feel like i keep wanting it to be the vending machine everything. I want to be the vending machine Maybe it's the vending machine if not it's a different plant or something Maybe like a for like a bird's nest fern something really Not scary comes to life and they have to make a deal with it. And i'm hoping we get at least one dipper as seymour moment. That would be great. 'cause he's a total seymour and then The last one. I assume is some sort of bill related secret society now. Do you remember anything about these. Yes same question. What are you wanna hint at her. I have really strong feelings about to these. Some of them not great feelings And then the other one is fine. Okay it's kind of howard keel about one of them. Yeah so intriguing. Tease there okay I am excited for parts of these. And i don't remember. Don't remember parts of these and i'm just there's a. There's some more kind of title related things. I am excited for us to talk about on wednesday vile say say cool anyways. I'll leave it there. So thank you mark for joining us today in the chat. Share your thoughts on all of these Thank you for listening. We're going back on wednesday talk about three more episodes already fall so the bye bye.

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Three Games That Defined The Decade

Kotaku Splitscreen

1:22:19 hr | 1 year ago

Three Games That Defined The Decade

"Welcome back to cocoon doc. Who Split Stream the only podcast that experiences time in a way? That's unique and for you particularly infuriating. Today we're looking back at the decade. That was picking ars three most definitive games of the twenty tens and talking about the ways in which they influence all of the games that followed. We also talk about some of the Games. We're playing like little reach and red dead redemption to on. PCP PUTS THE NEW Shovel Knight King of cards on switch. We close things off by talking talking about the Irishman elementary and good omens the TV adaptation. All right let's go and we are back for another episode. My name is Jason Schreier and I am joined once once again by Maddie Meyers. Yes you are. Hello Jason and Kirk. Hamilton you are you sure are hello hello to both of you. Kirk and Medi is December. Two Thousand Nineteen is almost over. We are almost entering a new decade. And today we're going to celebrate the past decade of we sure are but before before we get to all of that we talk about the Games we are playing this week and not just this decade. I have some exciting ones but Mandy I actually want to throw it to you. You are playing. What's I am playing halo reach is? I'm just really thinking about the decade. I'm really looking back on it. I really wanted to just just go back in time check out. The Courtney synthesized horn section of the winter contingency battle theme music inhalant. Oh this isn't just random it just came out on. PC you're right fine fine. The truth is I'm not booting up my copy of Halo reach. I am booting up my a brand new copy Paler on P. C. via the master chief collection that I now have and the rest of the Halo Games are also going to be a part of that collection. But they're not out yet. They're not going to be out until like twenty twenty and beyond at all stages the only one. That's actually gonNA sad about that. Because somehow I missed that memo Komo which is tragic for me to admit like I was really expecting to boot it up and have every single halo game be available. What why is it only letting me click on the reach with what the Heck Google that and I was like? Oh I'm dumb and missed the news. That is very important. Obvious giving news that all these Games are not going out on the same day and only halo reaches. It's still called the master chief collection right. Yes because I remember eventually going to be ready to be clicked on. It's just that for now. Now they're all in like a mild gray font and only halo reaches in a bright white five click of all only the one with no mass effect so then like odious t will be next so no mischief in that one as well. I guess they're doing a weird time. Line thing because so halo reach is like a prequel but it also feels a little cheap on their part. Because it's obviously a game that was made significantly later and so it has a more modern design ethos than halo which I really excited to go back and play the Halos. Because I'm sure they're gonNA feel mega weird and possibly bad but also nostalgic at the same time so I'm excited about all of that but I also wasn't expecting halo reach to give me so much of that feeling healing because in my mind I was like Yeah Halo reach that that came out like a few years ago it did not. It came out ten years ago. So that's wild L. and also it feels super dated in ways that are enjoyable but odd like it does start with this big cinematic fancy cut scene but then when you're just walking around like a little neighborhood and then you shoot some aliens and it just feels so small somehow like compared to the way that so so many first person shooter campaigns. Feel now it feels like you're entering disneyworld and you're seeing these massive things happen and you like walk into new area and like a roller coaster falls on your head and you're on the rails for a while like that is so much of what I position shooter. Campaigns are now that playing one from from ten years ago where it's like. Yeah you walk right and she some aliens like there's a cool vehicle and then you get a bet you drive vehicle against not that it's bad at all. I just was like wow this feels. I don't know it feels like writing the Kiddie train at Disneyworld as opposed to writing. `Bout ever is at Disneyworld. Or whatever you remembering that I encounter. Is this like okay. It's this is my memory of halo reach which I played through in two thousand ten when it came out on sixty which also is you know some of the explanation for why. That's it's so much. Smaller right is that it was designed for like an entire generation right. The experts six. He was very very small. It was tiny and they had to fit a tiny game and it does feel. I'm remembering isn't it like you're kind of with the group of people and then you go to this kind of Brown House and looks himself happened there and then you run around and some guys attacked you and you have to worry about them for one second second fighting aliens also like all. The colors are weirdly bright. I don't know maybe think about how greedy games have become since then like halo is such neon on colors. You know what I mean like every place I think of the late two thousands is like like the post gears of war like far cry to fall out zone that was like the real brown period. Two Thousand Seven to twenty ten and this and that halo reach already doing like a decade Hillerich came out. It came on a year after uncharted. Two and I feel like uncharted sue. That was nine right. I feel like that was like such a shot across the bow of lake all the Brown Games because that game was so so colorful and like Hilo is kind of a reminder like Oh Hilo has always been pretty colorful colorful series. Yeah and you can design your armor in the scam. That's my hot tip man. We were in when this game came out. My mind was Super Blount. Because you're not playing master chief you get just play as a spartan of your choosing you can play as a female character in this urge deal to me at the time and you can still do it in this version but it does not make it obvious to you like I started up halo reach saw the first cut scene and they were like addressing me as he and I was like hold on. I didn't I can make this not happen like I remember playing this game the first time around and not being addressed with a male pronin hold up and so I like shut the whole game down and you have to go into options. It will not prompt you to do this at a time. The game options. And then you can like there's multiple things you can select one of them is your gender. It's like buried in a tree somewhere. It's like actually going to find it's like so. Why do you want your resolution fourteen forty? Yes you want to see. Oh you know do you want an inverted whatever music controller. You've got to scroll pass all of that and then it's like Oh also you can customize your Spartan and it doesn't even say gender under but like if you click on that one of the options along with the other customization options for your Arbor is like oh I'll see you again the Spartan I guess it's like they've really undersold how cool that is. Which is funny to me because it was so at the time when of last year's Best Games star also had a female spartan assassin's creed honesty so true And it is a direct sequel to halo reach. Yeah that was I think where they got their inspiration. Yeah I remember in the two thousand ten game. I feel like it was the thing you did like at the beginning of the game design. Design your character. Yeah I think it was easier in that one. I feel the big deal that could design your character and Halo Game. You've never gotten to do that before. Except you still look exactly like master chief. Yeah let's say you're wearing the exact same greener right or you can have purple armor. which is what right? Looks very very cool. So Kirk I believe you are also playing a old old game that came to people recently. Yeah ancient game instant Real Retro the Office of this game. Yeah I've been playing red dead redemption to again on P. C. and Yeah I'm really playing this game and I don't know like where it's GonNa end up but I played a lot of this game since it's GonNa ask. I know I know exactly how it's GonNa end. That's actually a big part of how I'm playing playing but I mean I mean more like I don't know if I'm really going to put one hundred hours into this like but so far I I really like it. I think it's it's pretty amazing using I'm in I'm still enact. One I guess act two. I meant horseshoe overlook which is sort of first real area after the amount of mountainous intro and Dan. What a game Jesus so like? Yeah I played a ton of this on PS four. I reviewed this game. This was like a big game for me. I don't know I just like engaged with it a lot. And it was sort of the last big review I wrote for cocoon. I played eighty hours of it and one I was always kind of planning to come back and play it again. That's a thing I really liked to do. I like to replay games and this game in particular I thought would really hold up on a replay because knowing how it ends. And knowing where it's all going is you it removes a lot of my drive to finish it and then also obviously not playing it for view as much as I actually really had the luxury of taking my time I remember Steven just cut me tons of slacks. He's okay it's the biggest game of the year like it's going to be this big review. Just take your time and so I actually didn't feel rushed at all reviewing it which was nice. I think led me to write a better review but I still well did skip a lot of stuff. 'cause there's just a coup raise the amount of stuff in this game if you go. Ultra ultra slow in lake. Commit to that place style early. which is what I did pitches with the game wants you to do? It is and the game tells you. Arthur Morgan moves like just everything is telling you to slow down. This is the reason the game is controversial. Fly also wrote an article about that about sort of unusual design. Ethos of this game because it goes against it flies in the face of everything basically everything from the last decade. We're going to do it like I think every time we talk about something that's GonNa have to be in the context of the twenty. Yeah because this was the decade where ubisoft became ascendant and UBISOFT style open world. The game completely took over and everything like had progress bars and like your map was just covered in icons of like repeatable events that we're always kind of the same just put on a different map open. Everything became almost procedurally generated. But not quite and like this game none of that like it's just like totally flies in the face of all of that and it's so slow and so weird and bespoke spoke everything in. It feels bespoke. Just did a thing where you go. It's like one of the optional You're collecting for the guy. The loan shark. Who's in in your Cam and one of the people you chase down is like oh I have a treasure map? If you just take the map that will have the money. The map has a drawing of a tree. He over word of the tree. And it's this big tree and then you go and you have to like pull the treasure out of a hole in the tree and that if you go over to do it. There's a unique animation where Arthur like pulls himself up on the truth one arm and reaches into the hole and pulls the thing out and I was like Jesus Christ like this is something that you could just totally skip and yet they recorded in this whole an animated this whole thing so all right so this game knowing how it ends and I I mean people know how this game ends. Come on like. It's like Ben a year so I yeah I guess I am going to talk about some rhetorician to spoilers here because you can. I think I'M GONNA I'm GonNa tell people in case you're playing on the first and you really don't know how it ends but this is your warning morning so for the next few minutes we're GONNA do some spoilers on ready to knowing how this game end changes a lot about playing it I think or having played it for the first time also does so. It's partly that I know that Arthur is going to die that John is going to take over that Arthur's doomed that everybody's doomed. And also that I know who everyone is and I know cast and this is such an ensemble piece. It's crazy to me. How much of an ensemble piece it is like boy all right? So let's talk about. Let me talk talk about camp. So the main thing that I've been doing is like really committing to camp so like when I'm in Camp I like talk to everybody and you can do that like you walk around your camp and and it basically becomes this story only game. You don't have any weapons and there's just people all around this whole big crew of people and at the very beginning of the game. That's when everyone's still together because this game is totally about like this horrible like entropy and doom as like just everything falls apart and people start dying main characters die really kind of early on they. Just start getting killed than they start leaving toward the end it so tragic and Arthur get sicker and sicker and sicker. And he's like dying of tuberculosis and people start leaving. There's this really kind of I'm look I if I really get their way far in the future but this part where you come across a couple of gang members and they're just kind of St sneaking out in the dead of night and it's like characters characters you've gotten to know for hours and hours and they're just like we gotta go like this whole thing is going sideways and we need to leave so the beginning when everyone is still like hopeful even though it's still so doomed and you can see the seeds of that doom everywhere like like duchess just this mess and you know just everybody is is not like you can see where it's going even if you didn't didn't know how it was gonNA end. There's something about the camp and getting to know everyone. That's just say Kirk and just say that Mattie and I have no idea what it's like to be he part of an organization nobody heading leaving. Okay Gosh I'm going to get there and this is the energy of this game. That would maybe be the third thing I am. I'm trying to organize my thoughts because I could literally just go forever and I don't want to bore you guys in board listeners but so you walk around the camp and you talk to people and now that I know who everybody is especially like small characters like Mary Beth and Sadie and John and Abigail like obviously I knew John and Abigail before but I know they're Arkan this game now so you go around. Made a few even notes of things like Okay Mary. Beth remember Mary Beth. Jason vaguely so. There's this small group of women who role with the gang and they're kind of like there's this initial initial quests where you go with uncle and you go into town and they're going to kind of go off and meet people and try to find leads for crime you can do and like everyone just sort of splits up and then they all come back together and Mary Beth is. She's kind of a young runaway like she's sort of just this nice person who wound up rolling with everybody and I've learned earned all these things about her. Because I just go and talk to everyone every time I'm in camp and you have these whole conversations people because remember you can like focus on character and you press greet and you'll say something to them and they they say something back and then you press it again and you have usually three step conversation and if you do that in camp like all the time to an extent that feels weird and slow you have like. There's all this stuff we're like you'll talk about the latest thing. That just happened so Mary. Beth comes back from that mission and she's like oh I heard about a train. There's this train that's going to have much valuables on it and that's that's actually setting up this big set piece mission. That happens kind. Of at the end of the Horseshoe Overlook Act. But it's not for a long time so I will talk to her and you'll be okay good job getting that tip like Arthur will be. Thanks and we'll talk a little bit and then later he's come back again and been like hey. I think that that's kind of playing out like that tip you got. That was really good. We know more about it. And we're GONNA maybe go do it. And she's she's excited about it and they're all these little conversations Sadi's another interesting one because sadie becomes this major character. In the end of the game she kind of becomes the sort of like bounty hunter. You you know killer lady who she begins the game with her husband getting killed by the o'driscoll's and she's kind of alone and she joins the gang. She has nowhere else to go. It's totally this weird scene because my house uh-huh and like no one talks about it afterwards. So it's totally the thing. We were like. Wait a minute like she wouldn't. Why is she staying with these people? But whatever but She was a character for the first first time through. I was like Oh yeah writes. That woman with the thing at the very beginning of the game is now back and is like a main character but because of going around. There's so many cool cool things you get to watch her convalescence for starters. She's like grieving her husband. And each time you see her she's a little bit better or she'll be off on her own drinking coffee and just kind of staring into the you know middle distance and then she kind of gradually becomes more with it and the whole time Abigail is actually being really nice to her and they like form this friendship and you just just hear them having conversations like you can just overhear conversations and it's really cool because like Abigail Marston is someone. I also thought of as sort of underdeveloped. The first time I played it but you get to watch her like really taking taking care of this person they've taken in and then it also makes interesting because towards the end of the Game Abigail and Sadie have this kind of more Opposed relationship because Sadie is pulling John on back into the life of bounty hunting and Abigail once and not to die and yet they're old friends and like they have this really strong bond because Abigail was super there for her. There's so much it should like that in this game and I'm playing it just being like the amount of writing in this and good writing and like how it's really really. Yeah it's unlike anything. It's yeah it's such a feat of like everything I it's really really crazy So there's a million other things we could talk about. There's like commend. That's cool I'M I. I started playing it as well on the and played a couple of missions and was struck by a gorgeous. It is and how yeah sure Well written it it is still today and just how enjoyable it is. The play Still quite an achievement. But Yeah I mean I wish I had a spare eighty hours sitting like honestly don't and have been surprised to find myself. It's so kind of engrossing and it's just the kind of game that I love. Also it's like so heavily simulated and slow and kind of unfunny and deep and rich but to talk about the energy thing really quickly. The energy of this game has been so distinct and like bittersweet and weird like you you know I wrote a lot in my review about climate change in this game and I think that this game it's caught this energy to it that's this doomed energy and I the way I describe it as you're you're stealing good time from a bad future. That's what it feels like to me and I know now how bad the future is. I know that it's not even that far into the game. Where Arthur or is going to get sick I just played the mission and man there's emission you go and you beat the sick man up to get money from him and as you're you punch him and he liked coughs blood onto Arthur and that's the moment it's like the moment when Arthur like does this horrible thing and is and he becomes? It's the thing that kills them like in the end and it is shown it's really subtle but like it ends with this little cut scene. Where Arthur's just riding on his horse and the stark music is playing? And he kind of wipes his face off and the game just keeps going and you're not gonNA pay off for like another. They're seventy hours but it's just little thing and it's perfect because it's like Arthur being unable to fully escape who he is and what he's done like no matter how good you play him. He's a shitty person who did bad things and he beat up the guy and he dies where it anyways so this is the doomed energy to the whole thing and this feeling at the beginning of the game I'm from has been so potent of like I just want to like experience. This beautiful world do these things and even though and putting off this horrible future. That's coming for me like that's coming for Arthur. And now I had to go do that mission and I was like fuck is just going to move the band off and go do it. He's now and now I know he's got the sickness inside of him for the rest of the game. This feeling of like trying to like ring every ounce of like goodness out of something that's GonNa die and like falling on part and that feeling is so ties in with just this big mood thing. You know that everyone's feeling and that combined with the the just gorgeous lake nature of this game the feeling of being outside of fresh air and you know just this beautiful nature at man it puts me in this fucked up head space. That like really messes with me and then yeah thinking about how many things feel like they're falling apart or how many things have fallen apart and that feeling i. It's really like a very potent thing and it. Not a lot of video games captured that kind of emotion especially that richly for me and it really has been a striking thing about playing this game again. Well put well but you should do a separate bonus episode so that's really go forever playing. It'd be like Jesus this so I'll talk about my games real quick because is that a segment is now running a little long and we have to get to the games that define the decade and a bit But real quick so first of all I am for those of you out there who are trails. Those fans which I know is a fair number of you have been wondering why played cold seal line and then never R- actually like finished called seal to I'm giving so what happened was cold steel all three. I won't give you guys all backstory on these games but called Siri steel three. The newest Lima came this year. Just got it was only when it came out this year. Just got an ounce for switch in the spring wing so that makes me very happy to be able to play it so in preparation. I am playing through cold. Seal to China will please a lot of people out there. So we'll talk about well other stuff another time but the game. I want to talk about this week. Is Shovel Knight King of cards. which is the new shovel? Night game. They came out and I think a lot of people are actually confused by all this stuff because because there was the one shovel naming came out in two thousand fourteen and then following that the guys behind it as part of their kickstarter they'd announce struggles that. If it hasn't amount of money there would be three playable. Boss nights bosses from the original game would be playable and originally they had promised that. And envision that as you play these guys in the main campaign but as often often happens there ambitions like exploded and they started making these these Boston's Bible and then creating entire new games for each of them and they got bigger and broader and more ambitious is to the point. Where like they're all basically four different shovel Knight Games? So there's shovel nate the original and then played night and inspector night and now king night. Who who is this little adorable psychopath Monarch with like a little crown in an occasion so I thought a night was like an official title. I don't know if you could be I mean. Can you be a shovel knight. I mean fair fair thinking think of it is like you know mega man. You know how everything ends in man. It's like that it's like naming scheme in mega man every box buffet mega man. So this every bossy vendors and ain't so it's really really cool Each of the Games has its own like moving moving mechanic. It's a platformer game platformer games but you each one has its own specific kind of mechanism that US both to attack enemies and move move around the world and so like Shovel Knight had the downward stab with a shovel superfund because he could like Pogo. Jump On enemies and Shoveled King night has this warrior style dash where he runs into an enemy or runs into a wall and then from that he does this Pirouette start spinning down and it takes a little getting used to but once you get used to. It's really cool. Because you can like run into something than pure went down bounce off something else then run into a wall and do all these cool acrobatic mechanics next. It's really fun to get around and it's been really fun to play and then on top of this. They made this huge game. That's like full of levels and secret levels in world maps and it's a a lot of really good for me and then on top of that. They added an entire card game into the game because the premise is that this guy is trying to be the best player in the world at this card game called jousts L. Status and it's kind of like triple triad from final fantasy eight but a little bit different and it's starts off as this card game that is like super simple and easy and straightforward and and then gradually gets more and more complicated and convoluted and super super tough. And it's really really fun. I am very much enjoying this game so I highly recommend this game. PLATFORMER is it might be my favorite of Shovel Knight Games yet and I think you can buy all four of them plus this multi player that they just released as part of that as like one compilation called Treasure Trove Shovel Knight Treasure. Joe So which is like one of the best deal so you can get thirty bucks or something like that for four like substantial santeuil Shovel Knight Gains. There's this really cool So yes highly. Recommend King of cards to anyone out there. He's into farmers. Should we mentioned that there is a pretty good A pretty good play by play of the development of these Games in the certain book called Blood Sweat and Pixels bitel born. I don't think we should mention that makes for the perfect holiday. No it's funny. I'm actually working on a feature for cocoon now that will continue that story a little So Yeah TVD. Because it's funny. Because and I was the lead of this article and something I keep thinking about is how when I went and visited those guys. I flew out to California and visited their offices. which at the time were in Mary Marina Marina Delray right on the water And I went out to lunch those guys and they just kept telling me like I can't believe that we're still working on Shovel Knight. It's been three a years since the kickstarter. This is October twenty sixteen. It's been three years since the kickstarter can't believe we're still doing this. Got To finish these boss campaigns and now three years later they're still working asset like they just finished Shovel Knight. Finally after six and a half years I've got kind of sounds like maybe a definitive game of the decade. It was definitely a joke within a game of the of the decade. It sure is really they. Yeah no it's it's it's really cool. I I recommend it to all of you out there who enjoy platformer Kirk ending. You've bounced off of Of Games a few times as if your shovel knight bouncing with his with a shovel. Except it's you bouncing games. Yeah I like I'm fine. I mean they're good. I liked the plague night one and love the music Manji. Kaufman's instill still great. And he's great. But Yeah I kinda retro platformer was. I didn't grow up playing those games. I'm just not super into them so I always play a bit and then like Oh are I you gotta put something else. Yeah part of the fun I will say is that is like seeing the very clear influences slash rip offs from Mario Games. All Mario million for like other great nintendo under stuff. And it's all really well designed like these guys are clearly like on top of their game when platformer design. And it's fun being like. Oh that's like the Bertha enemy from the Mario Games or like. This is the part in mega man where this happens. So that's what it was pretty fun But yeah I mean I don't think it's just for like nostalgia Aja I think it's it's appealing to anyone is into by farmers but yes I can totally see that perspective Aright on that note. Why don't we take a break? And then we can talk about begins that defined the two thousand ten and we are back Kirk Mattie Mattie. Let's talk about the OX. Tens is that the the best towns that she told me times. I think I'd say the twenty ten twenty tens okay. So here's what we did actually percolate you you explain. This was an idea so I thought this would be fun because I see a lot of people talking talking about the decade that was the two thousand ten's and I thought it'd be a fun thing for us to talk about it. Is I think impossible to list your games of the decade or for us to try. I agree upon the best games of the decade. And I think that's that's just very challenging and sort of a rabbit hole that can go on forever but I thought it would be interesting if we each picked one game that we think defined into the decade in some way so this is not best of this is more like the games the kind of if you look at the two thousand ten in video games. What are the games that kind of jump out as okay that established something that did something new that like a trend in motion that influence a bunch of subsequent games in some interesting way or like said something interesting about the decade? So that's Kinda what we did and we collaborated to like. It wasn't just that each of us individually did that. It was that we all know what each other picking and the three Games are complementary right there are somewhat complementary though also there are some games we didn't get to. We'll lose at the end so this is meant to be definitive or anything. We just picked three because it was fun to restrict ourselves to three fun and hard. Oh and if you listen to Vince by all means write us a split screen etc you dot com and tell us the games you think defined decade as well because it's an endlessly ongoing in conversation. I think there's an endless number of games you could pick for this Okay so I will go. I I think we should go in kind of loose chronological order here and so my game came out in two thousand eleven. My Game I think will should not be like super controversial in terms of a game that define the decade and that is his eldest goals. Five Sky Rim twenty two call it five built by Iran. But of course I'm skyro- skyrocketed. Arizona is a fascinating game for many many reasons. I think that in there had been open world. RPG's before Even as early as like the eighties with your ultimate and Other games that kind of encourage a level of choice that you didn't see from the final fantasies and the Japanese side of things which are more linear era and even the final fantasy games. Sometimes open up the entire world to you and that you fly around your airship And then obviously the scrolls had been in the works for a while. That's hence the five in the name I mean oblivion oblivion the was no minor game right. That was not totally right well. Marin was the one that really started because dagger fall was was procedurally zedler generated and said that at a very different feel it was Marlin the came out and was like wow this is like an open world. RPG that just like you can do all the stuff Even before then Ultima underworld old is like renowned is like this game that just gives you this unprecedented level of of choice impossibility but it was really just like took the John Laura and just like hit this new. You raise this new bar to the point where I felt like all future open world. RPG's had to reach this height in terms of scale and ambition and choice and the way that your actions could affect the world or at least the illusion of it affecting the world. Some of the stuff in quite come together as well as it could have but like the idea that you would go into you. A city in skyrocket and you could go visit the town the the hall the Bill Big Hall that The euro would live in and you could go see on their table that they would have like markers for how the civil war was affecting the world which city the civil war was taking over and you could see oh like I am affecting this because I am helping the the civil war in action and just the level of like quest design and quality and the sheer number of things that you could do they were just like super fascinating and interesting. I think just the idea that you can walk in one direction and just find tons of interesting stuff within five minutes ten minutes. It all just worked on a level that we hadn't seen before and then the game wound up selling thirty million copies which is astounding which is mind-boggling. That's like a ridiculous number thirty million like most games. I'm very very very very happy to sell three million and this is again. It's a thirty million copies which I think led to many many games being pitched as the Sky Room of such and such in the years to come or being games that wanted to do their own sky rim companies do their own sky them. Yeah even today the way the people describe describe games is in terms of like Oh. This is our skyrocket. This is our vision. SKYRO- I'm like it's become kind of a a noun that means more than just itself Which I think is pretty pretty testament to how influential it was this year? I mean I think I feel like you can't talk about the witcher three which is definitely one of the greatest. RPG's of this generation without saying. Oh this is. The game heavily influenced by SKYPE. You can't talk about dragon agent position in the way the dragged series went without saying this is heavily influenced ends by scar him. I think more than any other. RPG can set the tone set the bar for what RPG's would look like and even non RPG's as. I feel like scar. Him just influenced shitload. So what do you guys think too. Is that compelling enough case for him. Yeah I think that's I mean I think think yes definitely makes a compelling case for itself. It's interesting this is the same year. That game of thrones premiered a little bit before sky. I think about the reasons that like why. Why is the Sky Room? Was this mega. Hit when you play it and it's kind of this Weird World Sim with all this craziness and kind of like hardcore numbers stuff happening opening and stats and like RPG shit. It was like this mega hit on the scale of Lake. You know whatever pokemon go or something and I think part of it is game of thrones like that that there was a readiness and I don't know if it was like a you know whatever hangover from Lord of the rings or this like there was like a fantasy had reached a new level in two thousand eleven. I feel like in the culture. Fantasy was just mainstream in a way that it wasn't even a few years before that part of it. I think the dragons cannot be overstated dated as like the importance that they played in why people wanted to play this game. There was that ad if you remember it was like in first person and it's like it was not actually what the game looks like. It was like like one of those like hyped up things that is like better looking than the game but it's a person fighting a dragon. Yeah everything real real life it was like CGI yeah it was like CGI Zsa like it looks kind of like the game like it was pretty sweet but it was. The dream of this crazy dragon is flying and landing landing like breathing fire at you and then you're fighting and that is that did happen in the game like you would randomly be attacked by a dragon and that for a lot of people they were like holy. Fuck like Doc. I've wanted to do that in a video game my whole life and now I finally can. Yeah so early on in that game I remember that being something that felt really magical. It's special to me when I was first playing. It was like the dragons are. They're almost right away. And when you're just walking around tripping over mountain or whatever you can just also suddenly run into a dragon and also you have cool dragon. Dragon powers the game just immediately puts that stuff in your hands and lets you feel like you can go anywhere and do anything so quickly in ways that at the time a lot of other games weren't doing as well so you're poincare covad being the reason that it was so massively popular despite having all that gunky stats and stuff like that is is. I think it's it's a pretty easy game to pick up and just like figure out even if you don't pay attention to the stats There's not a lot of friction. It's very good about auto saving so even if you die I just like pick up right where you left off and it says quality that I think breath of the wild would eventually have speaking of games that were not. Yeah Yeah and then so. I think it's got the quality of like things work in the way you would expect them to work like a pickpocket from someone and they're looking at you they're gonNA get mad. If you see a wheel wheel of cheese you can pick it up and throw over. There collected an Eden. And it's got that kind of physics simulated stuff. Maybe not as much of a physics simulation as some other games breath. Wow but it it has that sense of like just making sense in a way that a lot of games. Don't yeah I think there's definitely a conic the Maybe they brought someone new in there was someone who worked on this game. Who just came up with a few things that the setting is a big part of the Fuso da like the way that this game led to so mini memes elway from Sacramento Right Arrow in the knee? And things like that. That are actually. What's her name? Lydia is that her name who falls around around the House of Ironic. But then it's like there was just something about the game that like struck a chord that oblivion definitely didn't like oblivion infield super generic in comparison. It's still a cool game and then more win definitely has a lot more character but it doesn't quite have that like iconic like mass. You know concession ready stuff like food like like this setting in the world and just the lightning in about but also there weren't a lot of gains then if there are any games that reset that kind of environment like this. Norwegian inspired like Scandinavian Inspired Frozen Tundra. Where like people are just like freezing all the time and bitter all the time and yet it feels magical because you're going to places and like doing all this crazy stuff but but just that idea like it? It didn't feel like generic fantasy game. The way that oblivion did Levine in had that those kind of tones of like Oh. Here's another game where you pick up a abroad sort and get some prison and it just had his grand question John. Yeah but also just the fact that so many different kinds of players can enjoy things in the game like there was this huge simulation fan base for Sky Room like people designing their houses and like collecting different amounts of things and like sharing those things online. which is a very like you get the Sims community end there when you design a game that way and then you have? People who are super into a simulation style or like Skyro- fashion or like those kinds of players were super indiscriminate as well which is like this huge cross appeal between different ways to play a game and think about a game and I think that also also super contributed to the Phantom in an interesting way and just it definitely led me just anecdotally to like having conversations with people who don't ordinarily play games about Skyro- and people being like. Oh Yeah I. I don't know anything about games. But like I like picking flowers and skyrocket and like just walking around skyrocket and just collecting stuff and putting it in my little house and like I don't do anything else. I I just put stuff in my house and you do that in that game like that was wild and really call. It was just one. It was one of the Games one of those games that I think was one of the earlier games. You you know how to tell how to create memes and player stories out and I think that was one of the broadest appeals. I remember being out to dinner at packs. I think it was the following year. Twenty twelve with Kurkin some other people and I remember. We spent a giant chunk of that. Dinner remember this Kirk giant chunk of the center just telling stories stories about things that happened since car which I think was was pretty rare to CNN. Video game where you could just like. You could be playing the same game. I'd have entirely different experiences So that was pretty cool Yeah let me so. Let me throw a game out here that I think should be discussed alongside sky room because it's also so a twenty eleven. RPG that kind of ran a parallel track to scare him for a lot of the decade and should be discussed alongside it and that is dark souls because sort okay game you should clarence being. There's no no no so I started at Kentucky in twenty eleven and in many ways this decade. We're talking about because I was like. I want to write about video games for a living room so I was there when skyrocket launch touched and I was also there when dark souls came out I did not play dark souls and I didn't even get into fronts off games for like years after that until bloodborne And this inspired him. I played it a whole ton of and was on board with it and I still remember this and he told the story on the show before but I remember our game of the year discussions when Kentucky's still gave a game of the year. Michael mcwhirter who now works at poly gone to his credit was like dark. Souls is the game of the year. It's the best game of the year and none other of US played it because we were babies and like we thought that it was going to be hard or something like we. Didn't you know that kind of game just hadn't fully connell and and so we're like no way man it's Sky Room and obviously it's an impossible decision. There are both hugely influential games but to see the path that dark souls has taken to being this like super crucially important game that everybody is like mimicking that every game designers like obsessed with has has been very interesting because it's such a contrast to sky room in so many ways Any thoughts about that. Yeah well so I think one of the things that dark souls Jose failed at is that dark souls is a game. That's far more economical dark. Souls everything has its place and everything is like it. It is not a game that tries to drown you with hundreds of hours of content and so game that is like this is what we're delivering to you and these are the levels that we have so tightly might take in hundreds of hours. Yes if you if you're if you suck than you could but I think and I think one of the kind of negative lasting effects are inspirations that skyro- miss out on this generation is making every game. Feel like it has to be one hundred hours bus so dark. Souls is an interesting contrast in terms of the tightness of its design versus the we want you to sync into this world and be and can and like like laps like like just explore the world and get lost in yourself in daydream and built houses. Or whatever. Fill your house with cheese wheels Do stuff the way Manu's describing dark souls feels like no. This is the way you play you move forward in this specific direction. Maybe some secrets here. Maybe we don't who knows we're going to kill you a few times. We're going to talk with you the whole time. But it's just like tight design versus loot to loose design against that I think that's yeah that type versus loses important like that distinction is for real. There's that great crystalline piece. About what dark souls. This is all about that. We republished uncle forever ago and he makes the distinction that actually both are open world games like dark. Souls is not a linear game. It's an open world game. you start at the hub and you go anywhere where to go. You can like run down to that sleeping dragon and get the sword from it and run away before it kills you. There's all this stuff you can do. It is open. It's just it's open and you can only go a few places without getting totally ruined by enemies. You have to know what you're doing so they're like yeah you can go anywhere you want like good luck and that such such a different philosophy than sky room which also has like some areas. That are super toughened. Like you can't just go fight a giant at the very beating with your crappy wooden bow but it's mostly just wide open and it feels so loose it's like this wide open horizon versus this like tightly interlocking you know sort of stack of of corridors which is uh-huh dark souls and they're fascinating different and it's so interesting that they both kind of evolved over these ten years and now we're going to games like you know literally fronts out is going to release a game. That looks like it's dark sky rim like we're now in a world where like the to have kind of you know intertwined and we're getting all these like you know it's it's open world but it's also got dark souls quality to it and getting the best ideas from both and that's a really cool thing to have watched happen over such kind of extended time for him Okay let's let's move on because we have your like respective games to get so mad you go yeah. I'm not sure by game came out in two thousand thirteen inserted kirks. But I don't remember. Yeah which was I and I refused to look it up and Kirk is going to look it up. I'M GONNA look it up but I think they're really close. They're similar time and there I would. I'd say they're complimentary as well so I am going to choose Mattias I yeah. I'm going to choose. The Crystal Dynamics Tomb Raider reboot came out in two thousand thirteen Penned by Prajit. So this one is super interesting to me because it's so clearly influenced by games that came before it and also in my opinion influenced several games that came after after it but isn't necessarily credited with having done so and I think should be it's to me. It's almost like a parabola where it was influenced by a lot of games and then people it influence other games so the games that it was influenced by obviously uncharted. But there's a very strong metro-dade prime influence in those games. As well that carries over into the tomb raiders that no one other than Steven to tailor plant and basically the game you can also set fireplace and recharge and save much like dark souls. Not that I necessarily think that was intentional. But there is a lot of repetitive combat. In the game as well so you could even make that argument if you wanted to so much metric. Prime Lara Croft enters areas does and she can. She only has certain tools to do certain things and she picks up new tools and you can go back to the same areas and collect whatever stone pots or whatever. You didn't collect the first time around. I love stuff like that so that was enough for me but also this game came out in a time period. The year after tropes vs women came out a year before Org Gamer Gate. Also like during this Weird Post Metro other MTV period like that came out in twenty ten and that really altered the gravitational pull of a lot of conversations that people had about like what backs jarring initiative have but for real though like the conversations that people were having about other. 'em I'm like at this point critic consensus about other about tomb. Raider is super different and far more evolved than it actually was at the time when those those games came out like if you go back and read before actually saying at the time it's like pretty backwards and awkward but at this point we look back on them and we're like yes like other was was very obviously a step backwards for Sam's narrative Li like it's a super awkward game. That does a disservice to her as a character like we all think that now but at the time people were like I don't know it's a metro game and there was just like Abbie Hafeez review anti-foreign that she was the person who is like this game is sexist and everybody was like what are you talking about about. I don't I don't see it yet. And then ten years later they all saw it but so those conversations were happening in the midst of this tomb. Raider game being developed. That was gonNA make maker Break Lara Croft essentially like there had been a Lotta Tomb. Raider Games some good and some bad and this was a character. Much like Sam who had been sexualize in her originally iteration unlike she's basically sexy gender swapped Indiana Jones and that was who she was. She was geared at straight male gamers and there were for is really not that much pretending about whether or not that was the case. Obviously many women enjoyed Lara Croft Games and were able to project themselves onto her myself included. But that's not who she was aimed at but this version of Lara Croft. It almost almost was for a diverse audience but also kind of wasn't and it was Super Fun for me to go back and read articles by the two of you. were wonderful where you guys were talking to. The developers offers of the game. Like do you guys remember. All these controversies about this. Well this I remember. That was one of my first allies. Like very recently been hired at Kentucky and it was one of my first contract. Talk to Ron Rosenberg. About game. And Ron Rosenberg told you that Lara Croft was going to be fighting off a rape in the game. They serve remember this. He took it back. And Yeah Jason Follow. Oh up so my my very specific memory Is Yeah I did that. I read that article because I thought it was interesting that he said that and I kind of refrained what I what. I like to do a lot of times is if someone says something that I know is going to be controversial. I'll just present. It has has is and be like look. This is what this guy is saying. Not really add my own perspective. At least not yet so I did that and became a whole big shit storm on the Internet in and people are like. What the fuck is this guy saying? Why something like that? And then I remember very specifically so gawker media used to have a boat party every single year. Where like the the whole office we go down to the South Street seaport and be on a boat for a couple of hours and they would have an open bar and it was always superfund? And I remember being at that Bo Party in the summer of two thousand twelve and heading getting a phone call from square INEX- Pr Guy and having like this long conversation. That and basically they were like denying that he said it and I was like look. Dude I have an audio recording according to a transcript and then I remember the guy who was like this older dude I forget his name. He was like a big a big part of Idaho and so he had a lot of cloud in the industry history. He came out and said like. Oh that's media making things up again so my follow up article was being like look. People are denying this here is the actual transcript of the of what he the set includes him saying. You're like you're like wait. There's going to be an attempted rape. And he's like yeah man. It's like what's what's really and so. It's still not clear to this day. I wonder maybe if someone was talking about has any insight onto those but I don't know if that was in like something that was removed from the game after that or if it was just like him being wrong because I remember squares. VR being like. There's nothing like this in the game. Yeah yeah that's what I was going to get to. This scene early on where Laura is like coming up on a fireside where like her friends but kidnapped by this point she doesn't know what's is going on and then this is the scene where she I has to kill a man and that scene where he's approaching her he is threatening and it kind of like this implied sexual threat. And and that's just based on the way it's shot so I feel like I don't know if it's like the scene was changed or if it's just the people that choreographed and wrote the scene had different conceptions of what at the implication of that scene was going to be like they did the interview they saw. It wasn't landing while they were like. Let's say that's not actually what that scene is and that she's just fighting him off from a threat of violence and not necessarily sexual violence like I think they saw the way that people were responding to the Tomb Raider game in those marketing days and they realized that times were changing and that was super interesting to go back and look at like there were also those quotes that you read about Jason. Where Rosenberg was talking about how the player would want to quote unquote protect attack? Laura and he said she's definitely the hero but you're kind of like her helper when you see her. After face these challenges you start to root for her in a way that you might not root for a male character which which introduces this weird layer of like will. Why wouldn't you and also are you the player not supposed to see yourself as Lara Croft and like that was just? Is this really interesting argument to me at the time as a critic and I remember it influenced high reviewed the game. And how much of the game is you watching. Laura do things which which is something that has also influenced later games like playing star Wars Djeddai fallen order. There's so many moments when you you pull way out from CAL and you're watching him do things and it's so much much like the way the Tomb Raider is set up where you aren't necessarily playing as cow cast is in those moments like you're playing this other weird God that's like in Cal's head and in your life controlling him but you're watching cow and tomb. Raider was a game that set up idea for me in a weird way mentally like. There's the gendered element of it where it's like well. Why wouldn't you relate to Lara Croft but also just the game design element of like how much time you spend really pulled back from the character and controlling them as they're climbing stuff from really far far away and that came up in assassin's creed games to like where you're super far away from somebody and like you are them but like are you? I don't know it's just a design influence thing that I think is is personally a super interesting. I think there's a writing aspect to that too so it's funny because that's like wrongheaded way of putting it at least the gendered part of like you're going to want to care for women but the game. I'm actually accomplishes that irrespective of her gender really. Well Lake it. So there's a line she says this is I think tied in with the script and the game and it's a way that this first tomb raider for me. I like this better than rise. which is a really good game and really well made but it doesn't narrative we have the same arc because Lara can't be you know discover cover her inner strength and like actualize multiple times in the second one but then it's like well why is it the second one called rise of the Tomb Raider later right like the first one was the rise of two meter when she says she has online? She says I'm remembering this. So it's first off. Camilla Huntington. I think is actress. Who plays on Lara Croft? And she's he's fantastic. Like I think she really was great at playing the role and she says herself over and over in the game. She says you can do this. That's like Laura's like mantra is like she'll we'll be looking at this crazy. There's that really earlier even where this plane is like hanging off a cliff and she has to climb across it and it's really iconic. Is Mary uncharted. We're she's like crawling in the the plane is like falling apart as she's climbing across it and she barely makes it across she super exhausted. And like this. You're still unarmed. And like very vulnerable. And she's like you can do this and then she says that throughout the first act. There's so much of this like Oh my God can you do this. I remember seeing a preview of this game and playing all the way through when she climbs up that Radio Tower. Yeah and it's the what's his name. I can't remember his name now but the director of the game was like this is kind of the first big moment of this game because the whole time. She's been like trying to figure out if she like. Has it in her her to save all her friends and like survive this terrifying threat and make it across this island and then she finally makes up to the top and activates. The radio and her friends are there and she makes contact act and like Holy Shit. I just did all of that and that to me is so cool and that trend I think is carried onto a lot of really good games since then of Lake A DIE-HARD ARC of starting nothing in a really scary like overwhelming situation. And then like finding your way out and then there's this sequence toward the end and this is also like credit to the actor is that she's like when you get a grenade launcher on your gun. There's a sequence where you like storm the gates of this town that the bad guys have taken over and everything's on fire and the bad guys were like fuck here she comes. She's like that's right. I'm coming for you. And she's like blowing shit up with a grenade launcher different person than the beginning. We're spending Christ uncovered in mind and you're just like what the fuck is going so it's just this crucial second-half to the story. That really really works. Unlike the Santa the SANSA SANSA stark are yes. I mean there's that but there's also like cadmus evergreen was like frigging views at the time and like I feel like the last of us kind of borrowed some of these. He's ideas later with early. Where it's like yeah you have a similar like skinny Brunette woman with a bow? WHO's also going to be? Have the shit beaten out of her but she's going to somehow come through it all and like alien horizon. Yes yes and I feel like those things. They seem almost data to us now. Because it's like okay cool like there's a white woman in a game but at the time I'm like. Even that was extremely edgy. And like a huge deal like I remember people being like look. The Hunger Games proves that a woman can be at the front of an action movie and like for for some reason. That was something nobody believed at the time but like tomb raider was coming out around that same time period where people are like. Can a woman be a relatable character and also oh be an action hero and be like something that male gamers would wanNA play and I I don't know if the tomb raider necessarily proved that or disproved a bit but I feel like it introduced that idea like made it okay to talk about in a way that was super necessary and influence a lot of conversations for the better after the facts. The just the whole idea that they could take that ridiculous cartoon woman with like gigantic pointy boobs who like like you mentioned before it was clearly clearly like created for man and the this almost feels like a sign that like people. The video game industry was just like recognizing okay games for adults. We are taking this seriously Ashley. We no longer doing what we did in the nineties. Yeah and it's also the fact that she is never involved in a romantic relationship which is like kind of interesting thing for this game. That's so based on story and character. She has a lot of friends a lot of male friends. They have cool platonic relationships. There's a guy I believe in the first game winds up dying dying. WHO's in love with her? Really he has a crush on her and like that. Dynamic is interesting kind of sets up then that was sort of a thing like that's also true alloy and you know Ellie. Has You know that's even more kind of away from the idea of like every female character needs to end up with like a prince. Charming obviously is very different. And then I'll get into the sun with my game too but I think that is also an interesting thing to be true of this character. which like they have to make her as sexual for her to work in this role that is typically we held by a man like they're worried about alienating people right well because yeah? They don't want the male Gamer to feel uncomfortable about their character. They're playing rate having a relationship. The man like I wonder if that's part of it or if it's just like we just want to remove this entire it's been a conversation at some of these like I'm sure it's a focus. Group conversation like bringing in teenage enjoys a meeting like. Would you feel comfortable playing a game. Where you're Li character is in a relationship with a man that's strong focus group vibe from the Tomb Raider like that seems like it was it was division will all of this stuff every game may by giant publisher? Some sort of focus groups especially experience just one last point before. Are we going Kirk. And it's just that. I wish that when they were marketing this game they had just compared it to horror movies because like Lara Croft is such a clear final girl and the reason why they have the final girl and horror movies in old school days was because they were worried that if it was a male character and he was breaking down crying at the end of the movie it wouldn't be relatable to audiences so like the female character doing that it was like emotionally safe and acceptable at the time and I feel like the fact that Lara Croft was able to be that character for video games has also made it potentially more safe and acceptable for male characters to do. Yeah and I think you can trace the line from Tomb Raider two God of war pretty easily as well because that's another example of a rebooted game later in the decade. That was a more emotional. Take take on character who was seen super differently prior to that anyone. That's it does. It's on there. I mean we could talk about that. I totally agree. I will say Mattie. I was skeptical before forty started talking that this was really one of the most definitive games of the dinner of the decade. But you've convinced me so good job but you know who's GonNa blow us. All away is his car. Capital two entry okay so my entry is gone home again. That also came out in two thousand thirteen. This may be not as surprising or hard to sell. Pick Nick This is made by the fullbright company. I should say I know some of the people there. They live up here in Portland due. And this was sort of the first first major walking simulator. which is now? A reclaimed term was used as a slur and now has been in depth. Stranding made it triple triple a joke by the way this starts in two thousand thirteen with gone home and it ends with with so this game There's a lot of reasons. I think that this is a defining game of the decade Let's see eldest. Run them down and then we can just talk about it and its predecessors and And the Games that inspired so this game was made by a bunch of people who worked at two K Marin and worked on bioshock two and it kind of has a very bioshock vibe and it took the it was very it was very much like bioshock. But it's not in a fantastical world and there's no combat so it's all the stuff about bioshock that is not that basically exploring an environment learning about the world through the environment or the people who live opening drawings listening. It's an audio audio. That's basically what it's worth noting One of the first if not V. for example of people leaving AAA development element for informing in India. And I'll get I'll get there enlisting the things that's one that's that's that is very true though so I I saw this game Like we mentioned a little bit with when we were talking about to mater this began. I think it was just as interesting trend toward queer female characters and games like this was a gay love story of a young woman like discovering her sexuality and falling in love. And it's your younger sister who you're learning about us you walk around. You're playing her older sister. WHO's returned home? Nobody's nobody's there and and you kind of learn what's going on so I think that that was like one interesting vector for this game also just because I think one of the most striking things about this game that a lot of subsequent games Mus is that this game was just set in the real world like it takes place in the nineteen nineties and a house and it's just realism like it's just straight up a video. A A realist video game and there were so few of those and they're still actually are so few of the Tacoma. which is the follow up made by Fulbright? I Games cool but like I. It doesn't it didn't resonate and right and it was like it was still a cool story and it was good to have something to say and it was like well written but it was like set in space and it was the same year that I don't remember like so much and some other stuff came out And like dead space. There's all these games in space drift. Yeah Yeah and so playing this game. That's just in this. The guys that the idea that it's not going to be really the illusion of course but it doesn't create the illusion. DISPELS IT Krissy. Losing only to purposefully fully dispel it. That's what I'm saying player think that it's headed towards the supernatural ending and then very clearly does not right and like you just find a Ouija board and it's like we liked to do this because we weren't things that normal people do like part of like what made this game work that so many people could play it and just this is cool. I never realized it would be so cool to just poke around and someone's house even though when you think about it of course that's cool. Do everybody likes poking around in a house. So I think that that's actually a lesson that hasn't fully early caught on Like you'll see echoed at various points in games so anyways that's one thing. I think that this like introduced the concept of Lake the very successful restful Indie game which like you were saying earlier. Jason is like definitely was a huge narrative. I remember reading some article and it was like how four people like rented a house in Portland Oregon and I worked for a year and made this game then made a whole ton of money and like it was such a lake seductive narrative even just like yeah outside the Meta narrative here outside of the game that itself influenced so many raiders in India. Future indies to come so even just on its own even outside of the game. It's so influential that and also just just like the climate at the time was that like the indie games kind of revolution. That just happened a couple of years earlier with xbox live and steam starting to let people more people in with green light so it was like the perfect landscape for people to go indy. Right and it wasn't just greenland if you recall if you were in the The Independent Games festival you were guaranteed a steam storefront inspired and at the time. That was a huge deal because it was hard to get onto steam because this was pre green light. Yea like you could really only get your into game two steam through some kind of thing like that and that was how a lot out of these games like once you were on steam. At the time it was like this meal ticket it was like Oh my God or any games on steam like we can make so much money now when now of course it's a completely different world but that was the beginning of the opening of the floodgates and also game I almost picked and just couldn't because it didn't have the sort of industry footprint of gone home was the Stanley parable. All which is a game. That was one of the first things I wrote about when I first started at Kentucky in twenty eleven because it was a half life MoD made by David Redden and it's also completely story based game that I think there's actually more inventive more obviously inventive and creative. Way Than Gone Home. It's like this narrator and the narrator changes you know depending on what you do and it's this very like slapstick comedy comedy dark at Lake. What is the meaning of life game and the game? Yeah Yeah you walk in on like a map of the game itself and it's very goes inside of itself so we're cursive. I guess like a narrative or cursive game and that was like really cool but that also I remember the Stanley. The only purple then became really successful because it was re released as a full game on steam and David Redmond was like made a ton of money on. I think he's making games now like doing candy stuff. It was kind of that period. Where a lot of people were like getting a launched in that way and so that was kind of one of the ways that gone was influential and then I think just is the fact that there are so many games that now you can directly trace back to it? I made a list everybody's gone to the rapture. It's kind of maybe my favorite of these. I really love that game. It's like I know that's it's not like as beloved or gone home or something but just to me. There's something about that game that I really like. Life is strange is the first season of life is strange is so gone home influence. I mean you're in Oregon. You're like a young girl. You're clear love stories. Acquire Love Story. You're going through your house. You're looking at the fridge magnets and the game. That's yes we do and and the I had the last of us. DLC because that like very much also another story and also a lot of non combat sequences in that game that some of which are just amazing and like you know. I'm not sure I know that New York misspoken very warmly of you know gone home and he. He thinks a lot of that game. Who knows what the direct lines are there? But there's a lot there What remains of Edith finch? Another one where you're like. I think that's also Pacific northwest going through house. There's all kinds of stuff and then you can start to kind of tease out. Other Games like I- Outer Wilde's down only because the walking similar has evolved in so many interesting ways and while all outer walls is definitely a puzzle game and not a walking simulator. It is a game where just like in gone home. You can just walk into gone home and like end the game like if you know where to go win how to open the passage to get to the attic. You go in the whole house. Is this kind of thing. I think I think something. That's striking about those two and the parallel beyond just like going around on an exploring things and looking at things And also return to the over dinner I would add in there. Is that turn. These games are all very good at lending. You recreate something that happened. Like digging history figuring out. What happened here? What happened with these humans? What are these humans do? And I think that's something. Video Games are very good at in general which is why it's become such familiar territory is like you are archaeologists like going to the scene of crime and figuring out what clues but there was also like the whole idea have whether or not that was allowed to be a game at the time which I assume. You're about to launch into that billion silicone. This is a carryover from system shock and bioshock in like. That's what those gains things were about to and that was arguably the most interesting part of the first bioshock was like what happened in this underground civilization but also you got to fight all the time so the question is right where you were saying. That is like what if you remove that part like with the enough to sustain a game and the answer was clearly yes. Is it so funny. Because that part of the game is like necessary for certain groups of Gamers and completely like a turnoff barrier for to another group of potential games. And that's maybe the last thing to talk about with gone home was the gone. The home was also a mega flash point because like you said twenty thirteen. Was this kind of all. This shit had been percolating. Gamer Gate hadn't happened yet. tropes vs women like you said was like just tone at the beginning of two thousand thirteen so like a starting so. There was a huge controversy around. Gone home whether it was. There's a game or not but it was very because gone home. Was this like you know. Socially Progressive Queer Love Story. And also. There's not a lot of shooting things than it was like such such an early flashpoint for games. Yeah became this like fear. It's almost like the the kind of Typical like immigrants coming to take your job. It's like this is like this game is coming to make every team to a lesbian. Love story where you. Actually you. Don't ever get anything you just destroy. Things like outsiders which would be like queer people making games were that was also twenty thirteen year when twine games were huge thing. There were like so many more queer indie developers because like indie development was theoretically accessible to anyone unlike gone home. I know there's like can't remember her name but I know career woman was involved with the development of that game as well along with Stephen like her input mattered to it and I it just that that was part of the weird fear. The idea that those people didn't truly love games and they were just tricking everyone into playing stuff. That wasn't really a game and it's just just it. It got real weird year before a fourteen which you know so it was like all those those sorts of games the Games way maybe games can explore this thing and now it's nice to be looking back on it only because like so many games that have lots of great shooting like it's like there's plenty of all kinds of games. It's not just open the door to a new kind of looking back on the decade. We can see that shooters are over and nobody likes shooting things anymore. So so kirk any final thoughts or should we move into. We should go to the Games. We didn't mention. Yeah so I made a quick list. You guys can through the other before the show but of a few games. We didn't mention just so that nobody the yells at us. Obviously like League of legends to are obviously different of games though. None of us really play those destiny. Jason I didn't pick that even though like certainly the only instantly I would. Yeah sure that would be my number two inches game played you know hundreds and hundreds of hours but also because like it did set the template for so much of this game as a service thing. We're in now in fortnight. Also like huge thing in like sort of Peggy is the game I mean mean for night is just copied it but I think that they they go together because somebody like like really shamelessly coughing somebody else and be in creating the huge game sensation of the decade is like that's arguably defining this decade like not in a great way not but in a way over watches another one that I'm not thinking pokemon come on go through the return of what was like the first mobile game like words with friends had words with friends. Angry Birds. Eight thousand nine also Farmville. I think was this decade but that was such such a brief period of time like the facebook gaming era was so short range to save. It's hard to argue that game defined the decade that was also two thousand nine and that again that now is like totally irrelevant and didn't plan lead to that much sleep. It's interesting because back. Then people thought those games over they were so worried about that the future of casual gamers takeover guy trying to think I mean candy crush candy crush has got to be up there. I don't know offhand what year it came out but in terms of just like definitive games. That is certainly there. There was that world of games that were like not. I plead by people who read like Hardcore Kentucky readers and stuff but like are played by millions and millions of people and like that world becoming just its own thing and like a you know a major major part of the industry is definitely thing that happened this deck. Yeah so we haven't talked about. Gt a five and GTE online. which is like the most lucrative game? Maybe maybe maybe definitive aspect of this Minecraft I believe I came out in twenty. Doesn't it wasn't Beta for a long time so it's not really clear like when it officially came out But that is certainly. Don't yes in two thousand eleven and very hard to argue with minecraft that just as influential could've easily prepared a powerpoint on minecraft for this instead of what I chose. Just just a bother Jason because so much and I really WanNa talk about it on the show. Let's talk about mine. Craft without minecraft. We wouldn't have dragon quest builders exactly love John Chris Builders Yeah. I'm trying to think I mean I think I think in the future like it's too early to say right now but I think in five years we'll be saying oh breath of the wild was absolutely one of the definitive games of the twenty ten. We'll be seeing a more of the stuff that it has influenced. It was definitive in that it was almost like a perfect encapsulation of so many of the things that you were talking about the sky. It's like skyrocket ideas and dark souls ideas and even beyond that like just the the horn light is the way it looks. Puzzled design a lot of valves stuff like it kind of brings together. There are a whole lot of stuff from the decades so that that it's like definitive in that way even if it was just a really good example of a lot of things that already been in motion. Yeah so I'm sure we're missing some other stuff. If your thoughts on the most not the best games of the decade but the most definitive the decades you can email us at split-screen at Kotoka DOT COM Maybe we'll talk about a few more in the future. So so why don't we take another break and then making some off topic stuff And we are back Kirk Mattie. This episode is a little bit long. So let's try to zip through some off topic stuff before we say goodbye. Speaking of things that are running a little bit longer Watch the Irishman past weekend and I thought it was great Is such a good contrast to like Martin Scorsese's previous mob Bob Movies Casino and Goodfellas and even like the wolf of Wall Street because all of those movies just glamorized lifestyle like look. These guys are awful people but look how amazing their lives are and how happy they are and how they're living this luxury of like like Tons of drugs and money and just like the access to this world. So you don't have access to you. We're GONNA show you how this guy gets into the Coca Copacabana through academic tracking shot and gets the front seat of the House and like lives. This life of luxury Sri whereas the Irishman is just like super dark and depressing and like this guy becomes a mob grunt and his life is meaningless and he winds up regretting grabbing everything because he destroys all the relationships with the matter to him and in his absolutely fascinating. I loved it Kirk. You watched it too. I don't think manny debt. No Yeah I did I did. I finished it so yeah I did think it was a good movie. It like it was really long. I had to watch it over a couple of sessions and. Yeah Yeah you know I. It's it's such I've I'm really still chewing on it I thought it was good. I thought the last forty five minutes or so was just amazing. Like it's it's a media that shows being old like just sort of indignities and the loneliness of being old in a way that was like really striking like. I just don't see that a lot of movies. It's I think the contrast to make I think this feels to me like a good fellows. Follow up and I'm not a huge gangster movie Guy I haven't seen every Scorsese horseracing haven't seen wolf of Wall Street or like casino or whatever. Yeah it's like not totally my Genera and so this this movie starts where Goodfellas of course such without iconic there early famous long tracking shot where he walks into the Copacabana. This week starts with a long tracking shot into a retirement home nursing home. And you just come up behind Robert Deniro who sits all alone and that then runs through the whole movie. The movie does a couple of really interesting things. Where like you'll meet a guy and it's you you know this big Joe? He's like who like what's up. It'll be like this is like Tony. Tony gets up. And then it freeze frames on him. And it'll be like Tony whatever. His name is shot three times in the head in the street. You like this year and it says how they all died these shitty deaths and it's very like you know lampshade just being like this is not a cool lifestyle even though the movie is also like Cool Classic Rock Songs People do crime like that's a lot of the first half of the movie so it's this funny mix of those two things and I I think by the end I like the ending of the movie. I was like okay. This is like definitely like a you know a great artist at near the end of his career making a piece of work. That's about death and closure and endings and like what he's saying about. These people is pretty. You know unambiguous. It's also interesting that it's based on this book by Frank Sheeran. That's like the guy that the main character that replace. That's like I think widely debunked or at least a lot of people like this guy did not kill Jimmy Hoffa Steph. Yeah totally totally. Yeah I mean to your point Kirk I read it as a a mea culpa from Scorsese that like Oh man glamorizes lifestyle. Actually this is what it's really like interesting. Like he makes these long religious films. He it makes the other movies that I haven't watched like he is fascinating film. Shutter island has watched shutter island is fascinating. But he'll departed. I mean he's got a lot of like like different to the department is a mom movie. But it's also just like a wild. I watched the departed. I I found that movie challenging or like I. I don't know but I don't like that and we are doing this up. This is a messy. Yeah we talked about this. I remember it's fine. We didn't talk about it on the show so no one no. It's we do talk outside side of the show listeners. If you can believe that and as we've been talking about movies anyway yeah I think digitally de aging thing was just a little weird like I could never tell how people were supposed to be so so I get why they did it but there are times where it's like Robert De Niro character is supposed to be a young guy but he looks about fifty or forty five and I'm like how is this guy like what you know what is happening drink and I thought that Joe Patchy was amazing amazing and so long since I've seen your passion something because he hasn't been in a movie. Yeah I think twenty thousand last movie but also like yeah the idea that he is. He's playing against type for Scorsese movies right another suzy movies. He's like this this this hothead who gets everyone fucked at the end and here. He's like this com middleman upper management type. And yet. He's fantastic. Just yeah man. It really made me if nothing else. This movie made me appreciate Joe Patchy in a way that I watched my cousin vinny a little while ago. He's so much fun to watch. He's such a like magnetic performer. But this performance is so restrained an interesting in like he's just He's really really good in it. It's worth watching for him. Honestly like I was like this is cool that Joe Patchy is like inhabiting this character in this way on screen. So yeah I I did like it I like yeah. I'm just doing this a long movie and you kind of just sit with it afterwards. It's very there's a lot in it and a lot going on Mattie anything living from you sure awhile ago while you're still out Jason. I talked about how I had started watching the show elementary and I just wanted to check back in. I'm on like season six at this. This point my girlfriend and I've just been watching this show and we're like completely obsessive it now and it's just the only thing that we watch. I haven't been mentioning it on the show because I can't just say we're watching. Elementary elementary every week rest assured that we've been watching elementary this whole time and our on season six days a fantastic show but I also just wanted to follow up on one thing. I said way way back when I was watching the beginning of season one. which was that I didn't like the Irene Adler plotline because season one day? They do some stuff that makes you think that plotline is going to go in a particular Taylor Way and it's super doesn't go that way and it's really cool and there's a twist at the end of season one but I don't want to spoil for anybody but I thought ruled awards and I think the rules so it just wanted to say I'm still super enjoying that show. I'm also reading the book the New Jim Crow. But maybe I can talk about that more once I finished it. I think it's it's really good. It's a famous book Nonfiction book but anyway. What are you watching Kirk? I am well so I watched the Irishman so. I'll just be really quick. Your sincerity talked about that but we started watching in good omens which I know you watched and debt. It's great yeah I started. I basically what the book back back. Yes and I've read the book and the book is Great and was really skeptical of the idea of making a show. I didn't realize that it was written by Neil Gaiman and is extremely legit and then matty when you recommended it forever ago I was like Oh nice good to hear. It's good and then emily and I've been watching it so we're like it's only five episodes long or something right here six expire and so we're three into it and it's just it's great fun. It's so good the yeah I love. What does that on? It's on Amazon Amazon. You probably got a screener card in the mail Jason Because I did so I should take that out. I started measles season three which is fun and also we should talk about watchmen real quick man. This show keeps getting better. Let's just save it. Save it save it. Let's say for next week do next week. We're going to be fun but we're going to have to talk about that because next week. I think we're doing our games of the year. So Vince APPs coming out. Well we're also going to have just finished watching watchmen and we'll probably be more excited this. I can't believe contending we'll put it at the end of that episode. filegate Kirk. Why don't we do your music? And then we'll say goodbye. Sure my music. This week is pretty different Brent. This is different than Stuff I've been picking Just to kind of to throw everyone a curveball. This is a band called animals as leaders who are kind of progressive metal band hand. I guess that's what you'd call them. It's like really really aggressive complicated. FM Music and it's amazing guitar player. Buddy of mine who I used to play the in San Francisco told me about them and I was like them on. And it's like I think you'll hear the cleverness it's crazy. It's the kind of music that is designed to be so advanced instthat it like disor disorienting to everyone so you just roll with it and it becomes experience. It's really sounds like a plotline. Disco Elise Eum. Yeah it's like the kind of thing that maybe someone would be into you in disbelief this band. So this Guy Tocine Abbassi Guitar player and then heavier wrists two guitar players and then a drummer named Matt Garcia. They're all really big deals like in their fueled Tocine. Abbasi is like a huge deal guitar. They both play eight string guitars. So it's like a piece notes guitar notes and they basis. Apparently they're they. You don't need one to in a way right exactly like and they're both so frigging good that like they really do. I'll basis out there listening to this. Like Oh oh my God they were talking about robots writing the news. It's the right taking jobs. Basically Bass Bass players get more work than everybody like. They always have work. They don't need to worry about losing gigs. Sax Players. Were the ones who need work. Please someone give me a GIG. Okay so this is a tune called actor genesis by animals as leaders from the album. The Madness of many which came out in two thousand sixteen And this good taste of this album. If you're into this kind of stuff check this out it tweet in advance music. Those guys went to music school. That's my theory. Sounds like those guys. studied music at some point in their lives Okay well so on that note that is it for this week's episode is now time for us to say goodbyes. So this is the wall next week. Yeah we'll see both next week by Kotoka. Screen is the official PODCASTS OF GUITAR DOT COM. It's it's produced by Mannie Myers Kirk Hamilton and me Jason Shire Kirk Edits and mixes the podcast also wrote and performed are on another music. You can find us on most popular podcast services and we hope you'll leave us a review. 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Episode 126 - Jumper (2008)

They Called This a Movie

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Episode 126 - Jumper (2008)

"There are people out there who have power. You can change history. Hey what happened over the door. this thing. That just happened could semi free but why settle in one place when you get out of the whole world. Think there's something here. Don't wanna tell me everything. That's fine item behind living like this family friends. If you can hear me you can come home. But i'd like to know is how you rob a bank. Not opening any doors who you think. It could go on like this frail living this with no consequences there are always consequences. You think you're the only one what to the role trant. Hanis anyone that gets in there wit. You'll go. we have to get her out. And hey you right here right now. Why are you walking. I like walking for change makes me feel normal. Welcome to the this movie testing the strength of friendships. One terrible movie at a time. Subscribe the podcast and other podcast services by searching. They called us movie. You're part of the main name and our Media not on twitter facebook and instagram at the main. Amy we are also now. Proud member geek. Five-nation you find them. Gb nation dot com or call. Smoothest anthony delvecchio with me. He's always dan end. Returning newly reinstated. Mark myers say hello gentleman. Hey how's it going guys not the timestamped spike as but I got i got the vaccine. And i'm so glad we're on microsoft's skype mark has been unfired after last week is back with us and we have guess. Guess friend of the show and comic. Who's worked with told told me to mention this. She's worked with andrew dice. Clay among others just sager high. Just joining us lo. Thanks for having me. Yeah thanks for coming on. I do have a question for you. Because i checked out your twitter profile and i have a question. Who is your main on street fighter. Oh here's the thing so. It's the most predictable answer. But i live for chen li not just because she can like bounce off walls but also because like she made it okay to be a woman with thick legs so like from a very young age. I was like okay i can. I can ride with us. I like playing with almost anybody. I like e honda a lot. I was him for halloween one. I'd like i get like. I wore a like a fat suit. And after that i just wanted to wear it all the time because it's just so cozy question for you i'm lifted do you think charnley is the most popular female video game character. Ooh you know. Lara croft she yet. I think i think she should be. I don't know if i would say that she is. I do think. Lara croft is up there even like princess. Peach in like mario kart and stuff. I feel like would be up there. That's what i said prince each. Yeah i also really like molina from mortal kombat my dream halloween costume because like the girls are mortal kombat. They wear little clothing for. Halloween in the northeast. It's too cold. But like i would wanna be molina after she ate goro. The wake of where the fat suit and be really cozy against my dream. I i've a friend who's like a professional cost player. And like i'm gonna i think this year if like everything is back to normal by then i'm gonna put her to work making this happen for me. I love it a dream for like a decade of mine. But i haven't gotten to do it yet because i'm not good with. I'm not crafty. I don't know how i would put it together. I love how creative you are with incorporating fat suits you you go for it. Yeah i think was it. I think it was was at the last. Halloween might've been two thousand eighteen. I think i would. I was frank reynolds in the little beauty pageant from it's always sunny is because of the way like my face just is people were like our u. The penguin and i was like no. This is just my face like i get. Why they i get why. They assumed it wasn't bad because they were almost the same. But one big difference. And i was like no. This is just my face but it was. Yeah those the fun time. I got to where my fat. It's like a big pillow. That's like a tank top. It's great so nice so what we usually start off with. Was we usually talk about what we've been watching during we started this during pandemic thinking what is going to be three or four weeks right. So have you been watching anything even doing anything to keep you occupied during this unprecedented or now president and at this point time yeah. I've been watching a lot of true crime documentaries. Did you guys watch on net flicks. The one about the sea so hotel. Yes yes yeah. So i actually interviewed for For freelance that i was doing a What the executive producer. And i also talked to the guy in the band. The morbid that dude. Wow yeah and he's like he do to super nice 'cause like i didn't even plan on interviewing him but i just like reach out to him on social media. I was like it's really fucked up. What happened to you. I am so sorry. And then he was just like telling me stuff and i was like commodities those and he was like. Yeah whatever i just. I just felt bad for him. I wanted to give them a hug or something. Send them a basket. A muffins dude went through it. You know it was really crazy. How the because people automatically thought. Oh he's definitely the killer look at his videos and there were like those norwegian like nu metal bands with some of them were killers for sure this guy he was like clearly he was just he loved the music he created a persona and it was. I think people just really wanted to figure out that killing and this is the easiest way. Yeah it's like everyone just wanted to be the hero of that story. You know the reasons they had for him supposedly doing it kind of ridiculous like he had a song about like. I dunno throwing someone into the ocean. And it's like you know how many times i've threatened to do that. And not i mean like the liz ridiculous. Let the man do his art. Mind your business. That's a fascinating story of basically oxfam's razor just like yeah. The obvious answer is probably the right one. That's she had a manic episode basically. Yeah yeah 'cause like psychologist that they interviewed. Judy ho. she's actually. I learned this recently. She used to be a professional streetfighter. Player she's awesome. She's so cool but said she was like she was like. Yeah like this sounds like someone who went off their meds and just had a psychotic episode. She's like it's sad but it is what it is. You know a lot of really uplifting stuff like that. What about you dan. What you've been watching this week. So i watched. I only watched one movie. I watched shutter island guy. Yeah and i really enjoyed it. It's it's a very good movie very well made but i figured it out pretty quickly. Oh wait this is the first time you've seen it yes. I figured out fairly quickly. And again. If i'm able to figure out a movie i feel like that's a bad thing. I'm i'm just not very braid when he comes to pick him very smart on thank you but yeah i still loved it. I mean you to cap rio's great obviously like mark ruffalo. I'm ashamed to say. I never saw mark ruffalo in anything other than the avengers that was like the first time i ever saw him in anything or just remembered seeing him anything but he's a very good actor. He's a solid actor Other than that really just again watching old school wrestling review. Give them a shout out over you. Mark haven't watched much. I did start a second. Diane lane movie but i will not Here is it under the tuscan sun. Now now i just want to say is it unfaithful. She's not the star in it. She's barely in. It is it. The snyder cut the outsiders. I'm not gonna talk about on this podcast down. Oh snyder mark. You've taken a bullet guys. i'm not gonna. His next pick is going to be the snyder. A the sound of betrayal guys who just had mentioned to me. I trust jess every time she mentions a movie. I believe because anytime. I've watched it. We're usually on the same page right. Yes i lobbied so hard for him to watch them. I was like this is gonna make you feel great. It's gonna make you love your life. And i don't know if i love my life but an awesome. Though at the time i was living with my in laws so that that's you know not really save me there. Yeah i i did enjoy zam. I thought that was a very good movie. We did yes so again. Just some patio right there and and just you had a pretty good review of the snyder cut. So yeah it was funny. I'm friends with my husband's boss and he actually texted me and he was like he was like mike. Didn't like the snyder cut as much as you did. But he's afraid to tell you because he thinks she'll divorce him. And i'm like i was like well he better. He better enjoy his mom's house. I hope he still has his bent. Their goodness coming seriously. I i liked obviously a lot better than the original justice leap it. The story was much more cohesive made a lot more sense in the stakes felt a lot higher and it also just showed like a lot of the changes that were made. You were just like 'cause even my husband who didn't love. The snyder cut but he hated the original. Like every twenty minutes or so he would pause it and be like what the fuck just. We'd what the look. Why did you do this. It's very different. I think like the story is essentially the same. But there's more background. It's more coherence just better. It's long. it took us. Like i think a total of like six hours to get through it because i kept stopping p. And they were like clean my kitchen i made a roast and then i came back it was like what is i think. It's very much what. I was saying to dan. When i saw him last week was that it definitely feels like a movie that makes it go from like a six to a seven a four to a seven. Because i didn't like. I really wanted to love the original like i went in hoping that i would like it and at the end of it i was like. I don't remember anything i just watched and i'm not even out of my seat yet. Lake guys gotta say it's it feels like it's basically the same so far amaury up to about halfway through i think and it doesn't feel as much of a drag to watch as when we watch justice league for the podcast and the only time like the movie itself isn't a drag. It's just you look down in the bars not even a quarter full over an hour. You know so it's like that's when that sinks y you know i agree hundred jobs. It just makes it so far. They filled in little tiny things. And you guys know from on this podcast. Sometimes just the line. Just a little piece thing makes a difference and they're so much they drop in just a single line that i'm like. Oh okay okay. That's fine doesn't make it great. But this is i understand that now. I jess prior to the podcast. Mark likes to make things fifteen minutes longer. That's his go to so yeah. That's that's very on brand for mark. I don't know if it needs to be four hours or probably know that by the end Anything doesn't need the before hours but the things that they did fill in. And and the way i think they. I don't remember just like jess. I don't really remember how the first movie was really put together. So i don't know if they re cut it to sorta change scenes around timeline wise when it feels like it flows better. You know doesn't goes this. Join it so but does that. Make it better. I'm not sure yet. Okay all sounds like it. Sounds like it's gonna. We're gonna wind up covering it sometime. This podcast seems inevitable. But maybe we'll bring it up to two episodes. Maybe we'll do a part one part two not this week but for me. The only movie i watched was first time. We'll watch was the trial of the chicago seven. Who is the aaron sorkin movie about the chicago. Seven about the guys put on trial at the nineteen sixty eight democratic national convention. Riots it was good. It's hollywood so everyone says the smartest thing they can think of at the right time their moments which are excellent. there's moments where it's very connecticut. And they have like this. One framing device of where santa baron cohen as abbie hoffman is is like doing a standup but he's like recounting everything and they go to like two or three times in it. It feels like that should have been like the full framing device for the whole movie should've been like framed in that way throughout but they only go to like two or three times but those are great because it's cutting the ham it's cutting to the trial it's cutting to the actual things that happened cutting too. Sometimes it's footage of the actual events and that was really well edited and everything mark rylance who plays the lawyer for. All of them was the best part of it. He probably should have been nominated. Not sasha baron cohen. Santa baron cohen's got the the he has. A nicety of being abbey hoffman. So that's the kind of the headline grabbing performance. He's okay he's like you know he thinks it's it's all just kind of silly and over the top and you know but it's really well well done. I probably would have preferred to watch documentary on it if there was like if i knew of like an excellent documentary on the whole situation because it's a fascinating story of that time period but yeah i liked it and then the only other movie. I watched every watched for the first time in a long time. Disney's robin hood the cartoon. That's comeback always a favorite of mine. When i was growing up we watched that last night. It was like remember what we were watching before that with under just like. I'm gonna put this on because on disney plus and haven't seen in forever and yeah great music in that. When i forgot how good the music is it. Some non disney. That's the definitive robinhood for me. I think it's a tossup between that and men and tights tights point. I've been thinking of going back and watching. Some of the more recent disney suck with a white check is going through the most current clements from the late. Eighty mid-2000s disney movies and listen and talk about going back seeing some that. I've seen awhile or didn't see at all like hercules in prison. So the frog and stuff like that. So it's funny that you bring up see robin hood on the plus. And that's kind of my head's at just because podcast. There's like fifteen years of disney movies. That i didn't see between either the first one being pocahontas to whatever the the one before princess and the frog that era is completely foreign to me. I've never seen a single one in between there only seem princess and the frog recently. Maybe one day disney plus right there instead. I just watched nothing i actually. I watched the entire x men animated series all. Yeah that was you know what always bothered me about that justin. I'm sure it bothers you. Wolverine never uses his claws on anything other than a robot to right. It's i as a kid. I always thought like oh you know you look so awesome. And then i. When i grew up. I realize he's kind of useless in this in this show. All he does is bitch and moan at at cyclops. One of one of the things that drove me crazy. I think it was like a christmas special. But like what's damn bit with cooking. And jean grey comes into the kitchen and yells at him and throws him out of the kitchen. I was like you have the one you had the cajun guy and you're throwing him out of the kitchen and putting in charge. Are you out of your mind. I was so angry. I was like i was like him and storm or the only people in that house who can season food. And you're throwing him out of the kitchen. This is ridiculous someone who can read minds. She probably couldn't figure it out. She was not enough raising. I'm going in. this is going to be too spicy. Yes that's what i watched. We're gonna take a minute. We're going to step back listens to some ads because we got pay some bills and we'll be right back and welcome back now. It's time to talk about this week's movie. This week was dance. Pick so dan i. Don't you explain to everybody what you did to us. Yeah i'm just going to start by saying i'm really sorry guys I thought this was a good one. And i realized i spent a lot of this. Podcast apologizing so yeah this week. I decided to go with another christians movie because that's always a good start And i chose the two thousand eight film jumper. Not proud of it okay. Is this the first time you're seeing jumper second time. Actually so you see so. It wasn't like man. I really didn't know i didn't know what was going to happen to know what it was about. It chopped up really poorly. You've seen this well to be fair. How much time had passed since you. I thought the first time i'd seen it was in two thousand and eight. Okay so you know remember did differently thousand eight. We'll let's go with that. That's true dan you you. You don't remember things that happened in the-in d six weeks in between sessions. So there's a lot of team years it's going to look at it was it was the last year of the bush administration math longtime ago down in between the don't beat yourself up over this week's we accepted a lot as a nation then and just was one of them. You know we we. We thought this was ok. Leading man that the people spoke. Apparently this bank just not in america. Well it didn't do. Terrible in america did do bad. It's budget relatively. let's gonna jess jeff from with jumper. I i didn't hate it. i didn't love it. It was like it was fine. It's the kind of thing we're like. I could see it coming on like tnt. or something. and i would watch it like if it was on you know i really liked the one character griffin because he has up chaotic energy bill yet. Good there was a lot of stuff about the story. That i just thought was like weird though like And i didn't think the that milly and david had any chemistry together which is weird. 'cause like they actually went on to date in real life and like having a kid together than they were straight engage them. What about you mark where you coming from. You ever seen this before. Aunt who is in this movie. Oh it's racial bill since you saw this. We're having on blu ray. It's one of the rare things that i am not embarrassed to say in my dvd collection. It is not in there. I do have triple x. By vin diesel. In there though. But the thing i remember most was this was a phase in near the end of college. I don't really do anymore. Was if there was an actress than i thought was pretty or attractive or whatever. I would watch the movie just because they were in it so i watched a lot of really terrible movies and things. Dan will probably pick as we do. More to thousands comedies. So so that was reason. I saw this movie and what i remember the before going into it. I realized that i remember any of it outside of the the really dumb way they sort of try and put a story in there but they don't really go to full explanation of it so i don't remember was actually going on and that was that came back to me instantly but all the locations and things thin ring a bell until i went into i went through it again but i one hundred percent agree with jazz. I have no idea what they saw on the screen tests between heading christian christianson. Rachel belsen but this was there was nothing. They're glad to see it again. Just so i can make sure it's one of those movies and i wonder how jumper is. I've seen that in a while. So now thanks dan. I got that out of my system anytime one thing. Like in the with million david that bugged me. She kept me like you be a banker. You failed algebra you flying. And i was like i was looking like. I also flunked algebra. Like more than once you can still be fine. It's ok why it's so weird that she's harping on this like. I don't remember anyone else's grades and anything from. When i was in high school right it reminds me of a joke to someone wrote and thought it was funny and just kept pushing it to be in the movie out. You sort of. Yeah yeah it's like this is they'll get it out two per math. He wouldn't be good at banking a half hour. I know plenty of people who were really. You know not the brightest tools in the shed. But they've gone on to succeed. They might not have been good at at first. A lot of people in high school Newsflash didn't care about high school. Yeah it's like it's like. Oh you flunked algebra. The okay. you're a bartender. Like being a bartender but like stay in your lane in this particular space. You know what. I mean like who were you. It was the way of telling us that our hero. Our love interesting is an idiot. Remedial math for like my entire existence. I think i just took it very personally. I was like listen. You don't need to be good at math to be a banker you just need to like stealing money. And he's really good at doing that. I wish i wish that was like a little. Psa at the end like just just so you know kids. It's okay to not be good at math. You like just just get like a ti eighty six or whatever it is and just let it for you. You don't you don't need this stuff in real life it's fine. We've had a lot of fun here kids today not algebra saga so for me you. This is the first time i've ever seen it. And i'm pretty sure i could be making this up in my head. I'm pretty sure this had like lower third graphics. That play during sports on fox like incessantly and it was just hating christians in jumping into the screen and jumping out of it and i remember like play constantly. I could be making this all up as far as i remember. Definitely i guess yeah. I can definitely see the marketing team being like. Oh this'll get him back when like fox would just go nuts with their on. Screen graphics after commercial break probably played on like the nfc championship game or something like that. I didn't hate this movie as much as i thought i was. I liked about sixty percent. But as soon as jamie bell showed up and conversely i started this this of it not necessarily because him because it kind of just fell into generic sci fi action movie sort of thing jump here and then we're going to have an action scene here and then jump here. I'm actually sitting here. Hayden christon is really handsome. And it's a shame. He's not very charismatic. Yeah he they have no chemistry but they were rough also kind of like the fact that he wasn't he wasn't really a hero like he was kind of an asshole. Like there's at one scene when you first when he's grown an adult. He's like flipping through the channels. And there's like this mudslide somewhere and basically the the newscasters like off. Only someone could get to the. That's not me. Click sitter going. Yeah and then also another asshole thing. He did was like in the beginning. He has that blonde chick like still asleep at his apartment and he jumps and goes surfing. I was like you're so disrespectful. True so rude. Hope she steals all your shit. You know what i understand. He runs away at an at a pretty young age right. he's in high school. I believe right. He comes back he comes back. What in his twenties so he's grown quite a bit. Everybody recognizes him somehow man. Everybody and their first question isn't like what happened. The cups i for two weeks we saw you go in the water right. Everyone is just like oh. Hey they haven't seen them in a few days. Yeah yeah like everyone knows who he is. No one asked like oh. Do you have like permanent brain davidge from the oxygen. That did not go to your where it was supposed to go. While you're underwater for found knows how long like it was weird. I just want to make sure i wasn't missing. Anything ride into anything. No no no like his weird because it was like it so it was an animal or bird but they treated it like a small town but ann. Arbor isn't like a small town. I guess to most people. That's what they think it is right and a little cozy neighborhood. Yeah like 'cause i know. The books took place in like so like it wasn't like his high school sweetheart girl. He met at a play in new york but she was from oklahoma. I guess in that context would make sense like if they saw him around or something. It was weird. But like i remember we. I was in like my sophomore year of college. I think and ours. Because dan meyer at the same age we went school. The and i don't wanna see the name because to embarrass this person. But i went to a bar with Corey perez and brian glenn. Yes remember them. So the the these are just friends that we graduated with grew up with so i went to a bar which you guys and then some other guy that we also went to high school with was there but i didn't recognize him so i introduced myself to him to be polite and he was like i'm xyz. I can't believe you know who i am. But it was. Because he lost like seventy pounds did not recognize him at all. And i felt like a complete asshole. I i've done that. I did that at a movie theater. I and i remembered him and i couldn't. I just like hey. I don't remember your name. I am so sorry and he said. Oh that's okay and you could just see the look of. Wow yeah i. I knew i knew everyone else around him people. We went to high school with again. I knew everyone else around him. But him i just. I'm sorry man i don't remember your name. Yeah and that was quite embarrassing. That happens with stand up to like there was some people. I think i'm just more memorable. Because there's usually fewer women on any given show than men so like a lot of people remember me. But i can't differentiate them. And then i feel really shitty about it. I've introduced myself to people that i've met like twenty times. Fuck that they get so mad at me. But i'm like there were like twenty white guys in the same outfit on the same show like i. I'm an i'm usually drinking. I'm sorry it's on them to not stand out. Stand out. I was i was like maybe. If you had better material i would remember him and these are people that you didn't think eight years you didn't see them go into the hudson that would clear up a lot of things that bully mark guy like. Hey man it's you rice bowl. I thought you died. Yeah i did think like the rice nicknames. Were a little weird. Like i was like i was like. Oh yeah. that's the way to insult somebody. Call them something delicious. I think the only one that he might be dead is the mother billie sits underneath of I i believe her when she said you weren't dad or something like that. Yeah something like that. She were still alive or something. like that. apparently eminem touchdown the the lead role in this movie. Can you year yeah. He was offered the role. I mean pretty smart better. With eminem to be honest. It would've been weird. Why they wrote it to take place in michigan because he's from detroit. Maisy they yeah now. Eight miles enough for me. Thank repeaters from an urban michigan so he actually said it to take place in his own high school which is weird. He must've been popular. That's a weird flex. Set this in my high school. Because that's my picture still hangs in the rafters that i'm surprised. They didn't show that or like like a quick of him. Like nail on a three and another thing. That kind of bothered me about this movie and it it. They explained it towards the end. Where hayden christensen's character. David says the same hill jackson's character role in that he's special put nothing throughout the movie. Really differentiates him from like jamie bell's character griffin because if anything griffin is by far the better jumper out of the two until the end and then all of a sudden he becomes like an omega level mutant and teleport entire structures. Yeah why wasn't that fully explained. You can kind of see him building that power you know. Just another. Mary sue bro. I guess i just thought that the whole special thing. I read it as him saying that he doesn't turn evil like the rest of them. Do right you know which is possible. Because he said he could have dropped him off with sharks. Yeah but he's still essentially kills them because he leaves them in the grand canyon or issue bent. Yes okay sorry. Aunt have been to both traveled as some of us on this podcast so was knocked those two in the span of a week. That's that's pretty impressive that you could figure that out just from like a couple seconds. That pop is like apple. It's pretty distinctive. Well fuck that's for travel gals on patriots. Travelling in this movie. this is so minor. I don't even know anyone else noticed it. But it bothered may in the beginning when their kids and they're like at the girls locker and she has like the list of the places she wants. She spelled prog wrong. And i caught it ask what annoys me is. The snow globe was of the eiffel tower. And then they make a point where he said when they finally meet up again that they say that. Oh maybe i'll go to rome. And then she was like. Oh you know is one place. I really wanted to go was rome. I was like. Why wasn't the snow globe. Just the coliseum. Just title back together. That would have been really even go to paris. Ever couldn't find a snow globe with the coliseum in it. They couldn't afford the shooting paris. I'm fourteen other cities. though. I hated the editing in this movie. The like the way they edit the jumps was just so like gave me a headache. Oppose it kind of went from. They would show the jump to just pretty much signifying that he jumped with a quick jump. Cut young man. This is like this is so lazy at times. It definitely felt like it was a movie. That was probably a little bit longer to be honest with you because this is is in ninety minutes. I think it might be a little including credits because i i always check because i pee more than a pregnant woman. I liked to like like speaking. Yes i like to be prepared for. What i'm going into and i was like. Oh i can definitely do this. This is p. movie. Yeah exactly so jumper from two thousand eight directed by doug liman who directed swingers. Go the bourne identity. Mr mrs smith edge of tomorrow and the wall among other is done a lot of tv as well. Britain by david s from the two thousand thirteen novel of the same name written by steven gould. he's also written. Get ready for it. Dark city crow city of angels. All three blade movies all three. Christopher nolan batman films man of steel batman v superman dawn of justice. He's got quite an impressive list of movies Both have impressive lists yeah. He's our heavy hitters. Starring hayden christianson samuel jackson. Rachel bilton jamie bell. Diane lane michael rooker. Ns afia rob max stereo and kristen. Stewart i'm debbie scored six point one rotten tomatoes score fifteen percent. Wow that was rough. Let's audience or am curious. It was not great either. You would think that there would be a kind of disparity just there. You feel like they're usually is but it might just be because i like trash so we have come to the right place. Forty four so there is still disparity as good. I think i think they lost a lot of points for samuel jackson's hairstyle. Yes that bothered me so much popped up. You thought he was cisco for a second bald movies to be cisco and eminem the that would mean great. God that would have been great. Budget was eighty five million dollars. Box office made eighty million the us and two twenty five internet or globally. So as pretty good pretty good chunk of change and made some good good scratch. He has against the plot. You can do that. Yeah dan what do you got for us this week. Just going to give quick shoutout to our friend. Tia and her podcast. Top ten with tia tan her Her co host brittany discussed top. Ten list you could find her at t. C underscores stark on twitter. And she is also on geek vibes nation. She also writes for them so please go check out her articles. Even the zack snyder. Ones go check him out But yeah she's a good friend of the podcast and we just wanna give her shat out great and we are going to take a quick break while you listen to some messages from friends podcast. Now we will be right back. Hey this is kind of host off from the ultra. Parley our podcast. every week. You'll be talking sports movies. Tv comics more. 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Separated by distance brought together by adventure. Hope y'all stop by giving. Listen thanks and welcome. Back announce time to get into the plot four jumper. We open video from hating christianson. Bringing them all the places he's been that day right off the bat. What kind of accent does he have trying to do. Mid west. i don't know he's from. He's from vancouver and i feel like feel like he's trying to do some sort of northeastern accent. But i don't know which is in michigan right. Yeah right. i don't know i couldn't play. I wasn't sure if this is just how heynen christians and talks and it's like his favorite tv star vinnie chase. I don queens thing. Yeah he he would have been better off doing a transatlantic accent from the fifties movies and it wouldn't it would've made more sense. I wish he went for the full. You know wisconsin and stuff like that. I am a jumper yeah. I'm a jumper from the uber. Go to go to the packers game. A that would have been so good this before we start forgetting but something that really pissed me off about his early voiceover. He was like. Yeah i got digits from a girl in rio. And i was like not as a waste of a trip to brazil. You can't skip out on like the brazilian women for a girl. You could have went to poland in that. They're taking too spicy for him. I'm assuming like i. I used to work with the band and i toured with them a bit and i wouldn't go to brazil with them because i was like. I'm going to hate myself the entire time there. I don't want to be around. It like go enjoy yourselves. Tell me about when you get home and get like get tested and then tell me everything that happened. Plenty of pictures. Yeah so you mentioned. He's been to paris for the coffee. Mail do new surfing council jaro as well as brazil and he standing on top of the sphinx as we hear all this. 'cause i own that before lunch all that before lunch and i think they might have just gotten a couple. They were allowed to shoot at the sphinx for an extended period of time. Because we go there lot and we flashback to when he was a kid his name is david and he's your regular awkward teen and he has a crush on mili played by anna fear. Rob he gives her snow globe of paris because she wants to travel than her bully of a boyfriend. Mark takes a snow globe and throws it on frozen lake so david had custody retrieve it on the ice and falls through. He panics onto the water struggling to find his way out while mili tries to get help eventually accidentally ste discovers the power for the first time and winds up in the ann arbor public library. The this is one of the first as much as this movie as whitehall's is at the we established the goes to the ann arbor library lot like is that like. Why not. yeah he he's been imagine you're about to die in the last thing on your mind. Is the ann arbor library man. I'm really gonna miss the library. Not absolutely so thanks to the opioid epidemic. I never knew this. Until i like. Read an article about it but apparently like libraries have just like all librarians have to carry can on them now because people keep overdosing in front of the library. Italy's wow it is not sorry it got real dark but they went through my mind when i was watching infront of or in the library because in the library. It's very secluded. I'd imagine right. It's quiet so apparently what happens is like a lake. Homeless people will hang out there and junkies. I don't like calling them at their their people with the disease. That's how they were referred to in this particular piece and it's like the opioid crisis is so bad that these people don't know where else to go for help because a lot of them can't afford rehab in their insurance will pay for it so they're like where can i go where i won't get arrested. But someone may help and like they just end up at the library. Maybe they think like someone will take a book out and be like. Oh i know exactly what to do. What's right here. So he goes there and then he walks home to go to actor for a drunk abusive ricker. His mom left when he was five. His dad starts questioning what happened to him because he's wet still after that long walk. Assume he's just sopping wet. David locks himself in his room and then he jumps when his dad knocks down his door winding back at the library which is closed for the night. He just loves books. I think that's the one that was cut out of. This movie does how much he loves to read but he can't do map. I was gonna say he should've checked out an algebra brooke where he met his met his tutor every wednesday at the library. Hopefully he's getting his money back because that's bad tutor. According to everybody else or at least. I wish that would have been a better running joke where everybody knows. He's terrible at algebra. Yeah even role in samuel l. jackson like like the the way that you jumped. You must have been terrible at algebra. What is his apartment where he's got all the money. Also just has stacks of algebra books. He's stolen over the years one crack like there's a post credits scene where he passes his ged. Because you know he'd never graduates right. Because was fifteen when he runs away from home. Not a flunked algebra. If he was never in school right point like he probably flunked english and bio two. Because he wasn't there. He flunked everything. That's a good point. He never complete high school. Yeah that'd be great. I would love to see him. Leaving the test center at the end and they freeze frame on hand is doing. the fist. Pump in the air is ripping off breakfast. Close to here so good and then he jumps into the screen and then i guess everyone goes well in in in the movie. Watch that i watched that. So he goes back to his room and realizes he can more or less. Do the set will his dad. Meanwhile is called the cops regarding his missing son which was super quick and then david decides that he's going to run away just like his mom so before he leaves he pays million visit and leaves her the snow globe but disappears before she can see him and he's often new york city and check into a flop house motel room testing his jumping ability in central park and accidentally jumps to the empire state building when he thinks about the time. His mom brought him there when he was a little kid then he decides throughout bank. Which is a thing you do in this scene. The bathroom is right next to the vault. Yes thing. I mean. I feel like usually not. Yes sir come right this way past the millions of dollars that we have and that is clearly open. That's not a normal setup for a bank. it can't be right now. It's got to be in the lobby now. Look is usually the vaults are like behind you know like the tellers like the behind them so like anyone who goes back there like they see you. Sure you know that's weird that they'd just leave them behind the tellers. Just go behind the teller or just like oh yeah. That's right there right at the right near the door. The front door is whole plan revolves around the fact that this bike has a weird layout and that he's got a pass the vault to go to the bet that he had no idea he just disa- i walked into the bank. So just happenstance that will go. Thank god it's fucking movie doesn't make any sense. Nope that makes no sense. So he decides her other bank jumps into the safe. When it's closed bringing several bags full cash and valuables back to his hotel room showing no sign of subtlety or restraint can just be like. I'm going to grab a couple hundred right now. No one's gonna notice. Then samuel l. Jackson shows that the later saying he's part of the nsa investigating the the bank robbery. Samuel jackson looked a lot like cisco with his blonde hair demanding tapes of everything from the safe for the last month and we flash forward to the president and david is now just a straight up criminal. He's got an apartment just filled with stolen goods and he'd go anywhere so he decides that he's going to go to a pub in london and i for some reason he just decides he's going to go on top of big ben. Just show off for us. I suppose and he goes to a pub and picks up a blonde woman. Meanwhile he gets noticed. Jumping by jamie bell. Then after he takes the blonde b-actor place and they have sex. He does that pensive. Look out the window thing and then leaves while she's asleep and go surfing through go surfing but then the surf the first surfing is shit. So then he goes to fiji insert serfs there because they got thirty foot swells bro. It's gotta gotta ride the waves. I don't know surfer talk. That was my that. Was my stab at surfer lingo. Easily bad it'll pass. Yeah it's fine. it's fine. I think this is when i realized how careless he is with his jumping. There's two other people surfing. I think they're going to realize the third guy miraculously disappeared. And you would think that you would want to be somewhat careful right when you're you're displaying such powers. Yeah absolutely. I also get the idea that maybe he thinks he's the only one that can do it. So people aren't gonna realize that guy actually here the you know yeah. The was just like a fever dream kind of thing. Yeah he's also really tedious with it. He'll just jump like two feet forward and get it lake when he's in his apartment and he lake. He won't even go from his couch to the fridge. He won't go down his stairs. And i'm like your muscles are going to activate that's like being on bed rest for you know like your shit turns to jello. You're not gonna be okay. Agenda here bugged me and said the same thing that he would be so fat. There's jumping burns like eight hundred calories. I dunno wright he jumps from one side of the caps to the other side of the cats because the remotes there. Yeah i mean. I get what they're trying to do. There is just show like how he's perfected it at this point. I guess he's just uses it but real world implications would say yeah. You're you're not going to be in good shape and it just it just makes him look like a dick like it was hard to root for him. Because i was like. I was like no. I think you're sort of a prick. I don't lights. They should catch you like you're not using your powers for good so let me. Just ask real quick. I'll start with you. Jess would use that jumping power for who. I support him. Robbing the bank. I would do. I would do some robin hood shit. I think we're else would i go. I don't even know. I'm like a homebody. I would probably. I would just use it to skip traffic to places. I would go normally think that's if i introduced myself to somebody already knew. I think i would jump out of that shit. Look over there. Banff wasn't just hear what i would do it. The scare these guys. I just do it randomly pop up right behind anthony shoulder there just barely see it would serve no purpose other than just to scare them. That's it but it's like now the your job market is the entire world. The commute is nothing. You know. I wanna go. I wanna work in prague. I want to work in london true. Yeah and he only has the one apartment right. Yep that's terrible everywhere would that he can just jump three feet for every everything time he's doing something. Just waste all those apartments. Yeah that'd be that's hilarious mark. What what would you. You would probably use it. I want to say something like the mummers with the mummers. Well the obvious thing is to. Let's rob the rich and take money out of the banks. Sure yet really yes. I'll pop into grady's house no essentially it'd be travel. I mean that was one of the moms in his movie to maybe chuckle was when they did the plane. Ride the romo. How fidgety does he have to be on that plane. And he's there for ten hours a good point they bring up your point later when jamie balance as why you walk it right now. So it's just like yeah my thing would be like sitting around and going You know what on london today and just doing that. It would just be that more closer. To less of an asshole version of christians character. I would be more secretive about it as well sure. I think that's gotta be the number one key. What would you do. I'm curious i would. I would look for jobs outside of my my job market area. Why would you work. That's true. I mean like i dunno capitalist. Everyone else wanna travel. I'm gonna rob banks what i got to work. I would work too. Because i would be. I would get bored. I need like the structure. Otherwise i'd be a dick like the guy you know like the power. Yeah i would find some way to rob banks and just use that. I think i would use it to pay off people's medical bills until medicare for all passes that i think that's why would do and i would donate to progressive candidates. I'm hearing a lot of propaganda right now fully. Endorse cab on this show. We've said plenty of times. We don't shy away necessarily so feel free. This is an open platform. Yes but you need paying for a lot of people's medical bills for a long time. I think unfortunately eighty nine banks right. You'd be great at it. Everything you do is awesome. So i can't imagine you not being good at rob. Thanks i take that as you you will. You know if it's a good thing or a bad thing. But i think you'd be a swell bank robber so then after surfing david goes and has more on top of the sphinx. But meanwhile samuel jackson is in the jungle murdering another jumper. Because only god should have that sort of power he says do you think. Cmo guessing could have delivered that line. Better i thought this movie did a pretty good job of making samuel l. jackson kind of lame and it's really hard to do. It's a bit of a throwaway line. Yeah he doesn't seem to really believe it. It seems to be as characters catch phrase. He says it's why it's yeah. Yeah and it seems to be when he's about to kill a jumper. It's weird because they're known as paladins. Right samuel l jackson's group are paladins. But we don't know in the movie. We don't know much about this organization. Yeah so i. I get so. Are they religious zealots. Yeah that's what jamie bell they. Jamie bell has an exposition scene at the towards the end. Maybe like with twenty minutes left where he basically says that so like the inquisition and the witch trials and everything is basically revolving around this war between the paladins and the jumpers. I remember him saying that. And i remember him being like okay but the they killed a lot of jews like you. Can't you can't rewrite that. Yeah whatever you know the murky but the documented history of the world part. One has a song about this. You can't rewrite that. So is this where we find out. Jewish people were chosen to be. The jumpers is like you were the first jumpers the jewish people. That's a a hell of a gift. I asked my doubt about that. He'll be like the larvae so bad. This doesn't make sense. We don't necessarily go through david's Baxter back story a religion so much in this. maybe he was jewish. Maybe have been great like at the end of guardians of the galaxy. You find out peter's half celestial david. You're jewish so that's why apps power always. This was able to do all this stuff. And that'd be great and samuel jackson. Some sort of electrical asset that keeps jumpers from jumping and. He gets a call saying that. They've got to like yeah. It's like a space heater slash magic lasso. That has like cattle. You know harness on it. It's weird looking yeah. It's not as bad as they thought it looked. I think it's not very cool. Because then he just has the he winds up to do with the sacrificial blade. I guess it just looks like a rusty knife and then he gets a call saying they've got a lead on the bank robbery. That happened eight years ago. He knew exactly. He's he's been trying to track them down for eight years. Talked about having a grudge. Yeah david makes it back to his apartment. And samuel jackson is there. He's been searching for him for eight years. His name is roland. David tells him he liked him to leave. The nest travel with the door. Which much was supposed to be a joke or he literally forgot how to use door like that actually happened. You mean like our was locked. Oh i forgot it was locked or was it just like literally like how do i work. This thing. eighty christian forgot how to use doors. That would have been like. There were other scenes in the movie where he knew how to use them like riding exited and enter the bar in. Whatever i dunno is weird. It's very wishy washy role until tells him. He knows who he is in shocks in with electric wand a fight david trying to jump while rowland tries to tie in with electrical lasso. Eventually david manages to jump into his walk in closet. Cut the rope. Grab a whole bunch of cash and jump. He jumps into his childhood bedroom and his dad hears a noise coming from his bedroom. Assumes it's him but the door's locks we can't see him so right before he jumps out. David says he's not crazy. It's him and then he leaves back in ann arbor. David goes to millions parents house and finds out that millions still in town though. She got her own place. She works at a local bar so he goes to the bar and stares at her for a while before he goes to leave berkeley. She recognizes him immediately right. Yeah yeah and again. I don't understand how that works. But then she calls him out for being a creeper in front of another creep. Yep does the like metacritic. Yeah like like. Why are you calling out this creep in front of this guy. Who's way croupier. Because he's drunk and like you know slapping your ass. I feel like you're you're really asking for trouble here gig so annoying late. Double factor not good herbal entire connection to either guy in this story is like i don't know what it is like are dating mark do they. Have they dated. Like why does she not really freak out. When he slaps her ass and then he just fully accepts going to get into that. Next going to rome with david after seeing them for the first time after eight years thinking he's dead going. Yeah sure listen you get a free trip to rome true. Don't let get a gift horse in the mouth when i if hating in walked through my door right now and asked me to go to rome with him. I probably would. Yeah i mean. Yeah i would yeah. He's very handsome. I would he be doing here. But you know listen. Is he coming in with a rushed kindness. I can't explain. We got definitely. Yeah if anyone comes into my housing we gotta go. I'm immediately going with them. No questions asked yeah lake. Why else would you be your. If shit really wasn't going down. Like especially where i live like you would drive through all this traffic. You go through. Staten island to get. Your shit is serious right. Yeah no time for questions. So he goes to leave. But then bully. Mark stops him recognizing him announcing to the bar. That rice bowl is back baby. No one ever questions. David managed to get out of the ice. I'm assuming the police fire department. Paramedics were called assuming the lakers drag. There must have been some sort of open investigation but not like a funeral. Empty casket funeral anyway. Millie pops up and says david weren't going to say hi before you left. And then he stammers and mark. Grabs are asked david punches him in the face and then they fistfight. They exchanged blows spells out to the alley and david jumps himself mark into the bank vault and then jumps himself out at davidson nervous. Dick dick we're will. Where else should he have jumped in jumped anywhere. Rally definitely not to a bank vault so go to prison for twenty years. Well i think what i took away from. This is that you know. A david is not a hero and be. He's very good at getting his ass kicked in this movie. He's he added not fighter. Well it is. What's interesting is he has no other powers like jess your next man fan. Yep at least night crawler a he can teleport but he could also like fight and swords so you know. He yells the He's he's just a dick who can get out quick. You know like you imagine if he was on the x. Men he tell the ports the team to really well see you later and then just like the. They're fighting like juggernaut. All right. wolverine mini your claws storm to get them with lightning. We need rogue just touch him and a this guy can leave you things. Get harry i can take you guys to rome. Yeah just letting you know that. Help here. But i can take us to the top of the empire state building and beat all the lines so he'd be very useful at disney. Yeah you don't need to get a reservation. At raoult's i got it. We're going undergoing it's fine. I also realized as we were talking about it that he actually jumped them into a bank vault in new york city. Which makes it even more of a dick move for the same right. Yes yeah just takes a thousand miles an arbor michigan to thankful new york city. And then just leave them. They're like also with that like when the cops were investigating it. Don't you think they would have looked into like this guy's credit card records and be like all right. So where did you fly in from whatever. There's no traces men anywhere. And this is like everyone else is being chased. By the nsa. This would never go down right. There would be some record of him going from from michigan to new york. Someone would have seen it. Yeah i guess. I guess rolling would have been like a good like witness for this guy. No he didn't do it but was like he wants like the. I don't know if it was like the cameras or something. But he wants all the footage from a certain point. But i don't think it was in reference to mark. I think just in reference to david exonerated mark l. Did a thorough job. But he has for the cameras it when when when david's fifteen so that first time so this is mark but he could have been like yeah. This guy didn't do anything. let him go. Yeah the essay. Now i got i wanted. You're gonna sit in this year to die in the presence role in the bag. I guess so. David emily talk. He mentioned that he is in banking and the she responds to that he failed algebra and then he says he wants to travel and he's thinking about rome and she should come with him then. It tragically hip song plays which is notable for me because it wound up being the theme song netflixing an with an e tragically. Hip are very canadian. Ban and with an is a very canadian. Show hashtag save an with knee back role and knocks out a cop and walks into the interrogation room where the cops are holding mark. He gets information on. David is and when where he can be found. Images leaves mark tyrod evan. They check into their hotel. Millie basically tells david that she doesn't believe him because he was an idiot growing up and there's no way he's smart enough to be in finance and then they fuck and i think david's got a plus pullout game because he could jump out. Wow or can he jump his semen probably off the top of the right like he just like. He's getting ready to finish and he just shoots it like out the building essentially it just like people walking by like what the hell was that poop areas. Anything else he could just jump himself the fuck out of their bill figuring out. That's true me can't track him down no knows where he is. Also to the top of set of stairs to to jess are are you saying are really we have to make a quick stop the planned parenthood. What's going on here. Where am i just over under five kids that he has. Oh definitely the yeah. I'm world because like look how fast he just banged and left that blonde check. That's yeah he definitely has over five. Yeah he's definitely got a litter somewhere in david's the kind of guy who probably pride himself on having a child on every continent travel so yeah. He's he's definitely he's definitely done some ungentlemanly things i'd imagine. Yeah and also like it does seem like he never really takes responsibility for anything that happens to him and he's just kind of addict one hundred percent his mo yes. It's so funny. Because he's such a nice kid when he was fifteen. Yeah a very thoughtful gift you know. And then it was like he was like all right. One bad thing happened to me. Granted it was like really bad if he was like drowning but like some be a dick forever right. He turned very quickly. So they fuck and the fray plays because it's two thousand eight loro lunch and tried to go to the calcium but winds up being closed. Meanwhile jimmy bell's perch like a gargoyles across the street. I don't know what it was funny to me. I was the same reaction you dead. So david jumps into the calcium in order to open up gate and explore the call siham. He opens another gate in order to go in further. Apparently they were given access to shoot in the calcium for three days between six thirty. Am and eight thirty am. Nick had to use natural light. They consider any equipment then he jumps again to get onto the arena grounds. It's just like one after another very similar jumping and unlocking gates and they karen move to look. Oh i don't wanna fall the rules and we'll white man. Let me just do what. I want someone yet big time but again two thousand eight. So yeah. I was like i was like this. Poor security guard is gonna get chewed out by his boss lose his job but at least hayden christians in got to get some more. Rachel belsen. yes that's really all that matters. Fuck this security guard. I'm trying to get laid again. Desecrate national mom. Yeah well jamie bell does a perfectly good job of that himself as he walks into jamie bell pretending to take a piss in the coliseum and he gives what sounds like a threat to david points to the paladins heading in their direction and a fight ensues well millions on the other side of a locked door. David gets the shipped out of him with electrical batons. Jamie belt fights the paladins eventually. The paladins are disposed of and a security guard sees them and goes to run runs for the police. Jamie bell jumps with one of the paladins and toe and david jumps through jamie bells quote unquote jump scar to some sort of hideout then david jumps back to the calcium to meet up with millie and he rushes her out but the cops show up and arrest david and in custody. The cops asked me where the body is but he tells them that he doesn't know what they're talking about. The cop leaves to get the magistrate and david's mom walks in gives them the key to the handcuffs which i'm not sure why he can't just out of them. I am diane lane. And then he tries to catch up with her and she leaves him behind then jumps the cop to the sphinx because again. They've just had a lotta time. They were allowed to shoot there and leaves them there. Another this is. This is the time when they had night shot available. Yeah gotta use. It could literally jumped him anywhere in italy. I wonder if it was just like the p the people that run the sphinx. They just had. They had like a terabyte hard. Drive full of stock footage of it again. No one ever asks for this. Yeah finally like with with rachel bill since character. It's like she didn't know he could jump until near the end. So it's like you see. This guy has all this money and he is really good at picking locks like. Wouldn't you be concerned that worry you. And then he said something i actually. I wrote a note for myself because it unsettled me so much. Let me find it. She's more concerned with his algebra than the fact that he can just pick like he might be a criminal. Oh he said nothing's off limits when they were in the coliseum and he's not taking no for an answer and i was like this man is a sexual predator call in the beginning. His landlord was like i told. You know weird stuff and i was like. Oh this is taking a real dark turn in my mind. He took that to heart. I guess he was like. I'll show you weird stuff. He was he was like. I was a challenge. Now that that is true. Like how many problematic situations has he put other women not to say that he absolutely has but but he absolutely split. There's a good chance he had seattle. Surely because he's living a life where he believes that there are no rules that he has to follow stands to reason that that includes winston. Yeah well he probably. Yeah oh what's you probably looks up. The age of consent of the country's is going. Yeah this one's got fifteen perfect but at the same time. He's so boring. Can't imagine they didn't even bother to show the conversation that he had with the lady in london. Right it's just like oh like. Do you live in london smile fuck. That's how boring. He probably is. We can't we can't show this. I do think that's actually a very common thing with people who are rich but didn't earn their money. They're just boring. Everything is boring to them because everything is easy they have no good stories to tell you. No i'm just basing this off of. I have a an old co worker. I went to dinner with her for her birthday and she comes from money and she has a bunch of friends who have houses in the hamptons. They're all loaded and it was the most tedious night of my life. The most insipid boring shit and i was just like they were just like complaining about the wine and i was just like listen. I ordered a mountain dew. Don't care about. Oh yeah this doesn't have the earthy undertones i'm talking about. Yes i wanna star. I did research see if there was an between the lines. Writing of why it goes in spinks all the time but egypt has regular age of consent of eighteen would have been a great way to crack the code. Mark has been japan too much so he does say he has a few jump points in japan. Accidents okay here we go. We got it david. Russia's million to a cabinet to the airport now doesn't trust david and to see what's in his backpack which he reveals to be a shit ton of money and then david digits her making her get on the plane by herself. Role in meanwhile gets a call for the paladins loss david at the coliseum but meanwhile role is on the way to visit. David's dad he gets into the house by seeing he's irs and he wants to talk to him about his son. David rowland starts questioning him about how long ago he saw. David would say ears and asked about david's mother. Not since david was five and then basically. David's dad tells rolling to go fuck himself and we cut out yet. So michael rooker delivers the most bad ass line in his movie. Yeah it's email. Jackson goes no. You won't know. Won't you knows he's gonna die. Yeah he's he says. I'll let you know if i hear anything from him. It's a net. You're not. I'm not and national treasure. I feel like yeah like only he could really give that that gusto to that line you know. Yeah and he stares down samuel jackson. Yeah a lot of people do that. Yeah i wouldn't have the balls. I don't know i don't think any one of us in this podcast would Down mr jackson and can we say this is the first time where samuel jackson sees the photo of david's mom who was also part of the paladins but that's never brought up again. Yes yeah oh yeah. Why doesn't he used that as leverage it makes no sense and how she's still involved with them at their role in you know all that happens. It's a big quad hall. Yeah like scientologists. Where like if you if you're not with them you're against them so she's like well you know right. Yeah you gotta let the family go man. Yeah that's another thing. I was watching during quarantine. Was like leah remini like scientology and the aftermath of jesus aware where these people getting all the money they literally signed like hundred thousand year contracts or something crazy like that little bit of a griffin. I think it's a bold claimed. And really going out on a ledge there so david jumps back the jamie bell's hideout whose name i guess is griffin. I don't know if we ever receive it as in my name's griffin just winds up. David knows it. And then he just gives an exposition dump about jumpers versus paladins basically saying that the inquisition witch-hunts etc were all result of the ongoing war between the paladins and the jumpers and paladin specifically are religious extremists. Clinton tell you if his name was ever introduced because the at this point this is when the captions were completely off the rails were fifteen seconds ahead. Yeah even if he did. I couldn't even rely on that for this movie. And you would need it with the way jamie bell spoken this movie. Yeah for sure. I think i only knew it like i pause it at one point and like on amazon prime that like has like the credits like on the on the bottom bar but resigned to his name. So david goes back to his dad's house and finds him on the floor dead in the kitchen and then jumps the emergency room. We never find out if he's alive or dead. I'm assuming he dies. There's never any resolve to that. So david jumps into the prison cell where they're holding mark and asks him who he told and what he told them basically mark tolls tells him that he told rolling. Everything david goes back to griffin's house and tries to recruit griffin to help them take out rolan griffin says it's impossible and then jumps david follows him to japan through his jump scar and then just follows him through the streets and then david tries to talk to him about comic books talking like he has never talked about his life. You ever heard of a marvel team up to marvel team up. God which i guess is all ahead of its time because Four months later ironman would come out then. Griffin steals a mercedes dealership and they go jumped driving through the streets of japan. which is the most tedious. Seen in this movie kabul's nothing Griffin mentions that he knew a guy died trying to jump an entire building which is foreshadowing in all caps. I hated how there's twenty minutes left in the movie. And we're now just kind of getting into the pairing of these two it just. It seemed like they rushed it at this join. Yeah yeah it ain't. The movies should have been longer. This will be the first time. I say that feels like it probably should have been maybe two hours now that i want it to be longer. I thought eighty nine minutes was was chefs guests in terms of the link but there there seems like there was a lot of stuff that i could have learned more about. It definitely felt like this was a movie that was supposed to be a series of films and then the marvel juggernaut got launched four months later. And nobody was like yeah. Let's revisit this jumper cinematic universe in christianson shaking his fist in the air dam. You say that this is probably a story. That is probably more primed for series. Then a movie sure so they jumped the detroit international airport anger griffin agrees. To help him on roland milius flight landed an hour beforehand so griffin goes to prepare it his hideout while david goes looking for millie. She's not at work so he goes to her appointment of apartment and basically breaks in. She's they're upset that she got left at the air left in the airport. Which makes sense. And millie wants to leave and then rolling shows up so david confesses everything shows her he can jump in then jumps both of them into griffin's hideouts get away from rolling david goes to talk to griffin and griffin has pissed because rolling has a machine that could follow jumpers into the wormholes so rollins some of his goons do exactly that the jump to the home david jumps million to the middle of nowhere to keep her safe. While hiding a griffin's place david seized at griffin has some sort of surveillance photo of his mom amid all the other documents on his peppy. Sylvia board and i guess he forgets. He's hiding because then he just shouts out while he's hiding. Mom latte unclear and gets captured by one eight electric immediately afterwards. So rolling tells david that all jumpers eventually turn bad though. David said that he might be different. Has rolling goes in for the kill shot griffin shows up with a flame thrower and chases rolling out kind of cool then griffin jumps into new york and grabs a tour bus and jumps with it back to roland who narrowly dives out of the way rolling then goes after milly griffin again shows up with a flame thrower against jason rolling out of the hideout. He should've showed up with something else right. It should've upgraded from there. Yeah because he he uses it then he's got a drop it in order to go back to new york to get a tour bus to throw then he eventually. He has to put it back on. I'm glad we they cut that out. Well what would be the next really. Would it be like a grenade launcher or something. Yeah rpg right. That would have been pretty bad ash like he sitting there with it on his shoulder. Stupid catchphrase shoot. the rocket. didn't he turned bad though because he did a lot of bad things. I don't even count robbing the bank. But i can't like framing the drunk guy. He's one hundred percent. Evil samuel jackson was right bad. You're kind of a peace ship. you like. We can put aside the whole you know yes. Robbing we would. Rob banks probably. Yeah it's still. It's still theft as much as we would want to help people and we are all good people here wink. We definitely it's still a crime to rob banks so sure but they're insured yes in in terms of back that we paid into a bailout that the benefit us whatever regarding in the grand scheme in the letter of the law. It is still so paper wrong but we night exactly. That's what i'm saying. We're all good people but david is not doing all the things that you know. Just in mark had mentioned he's hoarding. That money even went into casinos in took their chips. Yes and he doesn't even have a job either. I would have done right. Contributing member of society pay my taxes on time. You know it'd be so much easier. Because i just jump right there so you would still use it to be a functioning number. Yeah just get there ever get the places easier. Yeah be great because if you had to be at work at nine you could literally wake up at like eight fifty literally what i do right now working from home first day on time so. Millie cuts david out of the and tells him to bring her home. Then hating christianson then gives the second or speech he's ever made to a woman on screen then griffin shows up with on his device. That help some jump. But just before the wormhole closes rolling manages to shoot his harness through the wormhole and pulls me through it back to her apartment and griffin reveals. That he has a bomb that he's going to use to kill roland but it will probably kill me too so we get an extended fight scene with david griffin fighting over the detonator. We go to egypt new york rome eventually winding up in war-torn chechnya chechnya does not make it out too. Well this feel like a low blow. Bill's been to chechnya before. Apparently he hates. Yeah hate it. Why would why would you go to chechnya for what's in chechnya. Maybe maybe it's fourteen there. the griffin knows. Oh totally does. Yeah all the places that lee last prostitution. He's he's got he's got a sex lowest sec jumpers sexist instead of all the locations that david has is just women for for griffin ban. That's that's a little unfortunate stead. That's i mean he's been jumping. I mean he's been living in that hideout for who knows how long. Yeah that is. True men are the worst. I think that's what it comes down to. I can't imagine maybe i'm wrong. I don't wanna speak for for women. But i can't imagine that's the first priority for women who could jump would be right just like i'm just gonna go bang a bunch of dudes yet. No lake i. I feel like women are so inherently insecure. That they would be like i feel like half a women would be like. Oh i'll jump to like a plastic surgeons office and try to fix myself that way. Someone might like me some who. That's how that's how sad our existences are orlando lab. Like i would jumped. I would jump to a bank rabbit. Buy a house with a big yard and then get a bunch of dog friends for my dog. That's a really good one. Why didn't any of us think the justice she answered it. That's that there is no other answer so in chechnya david griffin fight eventually. David traps griffin on high-tension powerline and gets rid of that nature david heads back to millions department and jumps in and immediately gets restrained by the electric harness as he tries to free millie. David does what we are for shadowed to know that he might be able to do. He jumps the whole goddamn apartment in what i believe is the body of water that he fell into in the beginning. Maybe the connection is yeah. And then in the ann arbor library then david jumps with roll into some sort of cave at horseshoe bend and jumps away leaving role in without much way of getting off and he goes then we cut. I mean you mean getting out not getting all right. Well getting off the rock samuel jackson here we are again and it's down because hands off too so i forgot to mention that part giddy. Now it's really dark for this movie. Then he goes to pay a visit to his mom and kristen stewart shows up his half sister. It's so weird. See her in this role. It's like. I saw her name like. Oh well maybe she'll have a big part in like geez literally two seconds then right. Yeah so let me check. I mean i guess this was right before twilight. I would imagine or same time. Because i think this was yes because twilight but i think the first came out in two thousand eight right. Yeah yeah films like before it but came out near its they. Were probably using that hype. that's interesting 'cause who why would you choose her for. Yeah that would make sense right because you're not gonna choose just for a bit role. There had to have been a little bit more of a strategy there. Yeah i dunno. Then his mom tells him she left because she's a paladin and she either had to leave or kill him then. She says she's you could've done either of those things. I think you shouldn't seem like a crazy religious person. And i was like maybe similar jackson was right this whole time. Because this guys a dick. I've kind of rooted for samuel l. jackson but so she left him but he didn't start jumping until he was fifteen right. Maybe she left when he was five. I think she said his first jump was when he was five but like i don't think he knew that he did. It relies what he did but she knew what he did. Think interesting. i could be making that up. No that would make sense happens when we don't have a jumper to. We don't know any of these answers. We're we confirm so then. She says that she's going to give him a head. Start and tell goodbye. Sounds an awful lot. Like this would be a franchise but unfortunately not and then him and millie jumped to some place. Warm and that is the end of jumper in hate it it got tedious at points and i also understand why this is more or less forgotten. It wasn't terrible it was just there You know right and so we come to expect with dan's picks when they're like within this debt with this specific decade for whatever reason. Dan loved the two thousands. And it's just a shitty time. Yeah i you know what. Honestly i think. This movie had a lot of potential. And i would've made this movie better by making it a horror movie. Ooh i think it would have been better as a creepy stalker because he ukrainian christians in has that down pat in a cool if he if he's just like stalking original bill since character millie and wherever she goes he's there and like maybe people think she's crazy samuel l. Jackson is a detective and he's trying to figure out like well like has she gone insane or is this really happening. The whole visible man. Yeah exactly and that was so it was so good at creating that tension of is with moss crazy or is this stuff actually happening and who would believe that a man can jump anywhere in the world like you can leave it as you know. He had a crazy obsession with her as as a teenager and she rebuked him a bunch of times and he quote unquote wind up dying in the river but strange things keep happening to her. And david is not david but yeah i like the whole paladin story is to me. It's so clear shade. It's like oh this clandestine organization is trying to wipe out these these people. Okay okay but it's just like a bland action movie. Yeah like they could have done war with it. And i feel like they should explain more about the paladin the ongoing war between them. Because that's like sounds like it's a big deal you know look just like oh yeah. This is the thing okay gloss over it. Yeah dan. that's all. I better my answer which was going to be just a recast eminem and the rest of the twelve in this morning. That's solid choices. I would have done it like catch me if you can sort of thing like. Maybe he's being chased by someone that's a human and was like. Oh well i'm here will catch me if you can and then just like now rats now i gotta go find them. I think that'd be like a little cat and mouse game. Yeah a fun. Romp of some guy that jumps through wormholes. Yeah that that would be a little better. I think i think that would be infinitely more interesting. I think it would have been interesting to to do it from rachel bill. Sins viewpoint where. It's kind of almost like you. Know the zac ephron ted bundy movie. It's told from the point of view of his girlfriend who didn't know he was a murderer it out and she's like yes. Oh my boyfriend goes missing. And he like. He manages to get into locked places a lot. I think it would have been interesting to see her. Try to piece that together and then just be like. oh yeah. He is a criminal but not in the way that you think almost he's using magic so it's more you know it's more mystical and fun. Yeah i i think that would have been cool. Because then she's she's in nia the ted bundy movie that she kind of defense am at first until she starts to piece it together. Like holy shit. This guy's serious trouble so yeah. I think that would've been cool. Rachel sin is basically no-no a yeah. He he does some like out of the ordinary things. But it's not hurting anybody or banker. But he's not good at math but he's still a banker. Nothing means anything right own god by the way they skipped over the entire way the button at with jamie bell making your job at why. They're an hour late for her flight. Telling time y- good. I think this is all we have to talk about on. What is the name of the movie. I'll have son. I was gonna say pusher. 'cause push another movie that was. That was another movie. I was thinking of choosing by the way at the chris evans. Good fanning movie is. Do not pick that next week mark. I heard that. I heard that in your voice. We're doing push knicks. You guys wanna plug anything. Just you have anything you want. Plug launching podcast. Some someday i i'm like stockpiling episodes. I called your the problem and that's gonna be fun so stay tuned for that. Whenever i decide to release it which may may not ever happen. 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Are Muffins Just Unfrosted Cupcakes?

A Hot Dog Is a Sandwich

42:47 min | 4 months ago

Are Muffins Just Unfrosted Cupcakes?

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In game now and pick up the season six battle pass to run wild across primitive landscapes with lara croft teen titans raven in agent jones go to g g slash season six. That's the number six to see it. All the muffin man was maybe a serial killer that would dangle treats on a string so we could lure kids and rival pastry chefs back to his home and hit them with a wooden spoon and that he lived on jury lane. Yeah me neither. But we're not talking about that today. What i want to know is our muffins frosted cupcakes. This is a hot dog is a sandwich. Ketchup is a smoothie but my cereal so what makes no a podcast. Welcome to our podcast a hotdog a sandwich the show we break down the world's biggest food debates i'm your host joshua and i'm your host nicole handy's i'm peeled right now. Oh my god. I'm alright now because that because we've we've been having the wool pulled over our eyes for years why that people think there is a separation between muffin and cupcake. Mike ought of course there is. No there is no separate. Muffins are merely unfrosted cupcakes. You serve me an unfrosted cupcake that is now inexplicably a breakfast food. Call them a muffin. Stop it no. It's not cake in the shape of a cup. I believe that is the bare. Minimum of cupcake could no. I'm sorry i'm going to have to disagree with the creaming method versus a muffin myth. But there's a yes. Please explain the creamy. Let me just pull up my document of assistance here. In the creaming method we cream the fat with the sugar until late. And then add the other ingredients in the muffin method. We mixed liquids and the dry ingredients separately and then stir them together. Just combine telling me nicole that if cream the fat with the sugar created light and fluffy early and then put blueberries and that in a nice little truthful topping. Maybe a little bit warmer spice on there. Maybe some cinnamon. And i served a little donut shop earl coffee shop for two dollars and seventy five cents in a nice little fancy robbery. Tell me that's no longer fancy rapper. Three eighty how much from. Oh yeah thirty. i'm thinking about There's something about simply coffee in burbank. Never been team. Oh really great cesar. Milan the dog was goes. There told me yeah. I talk a lot about. Why do you like caesar known. I don't even enjoy dogs But i enjoy cesar milan in iran in him at ashley home furniture and burma guys are like two lost. Souls really cesar milan if you're if you're listening out there if you're listening to die think seasonal and probably listening to this podcast very nice to the staff of ashley home furniture simply copy fantastic coffee shop. The make great nitra cold brew their muffins. Like two seventy five petite. Of what i'm saying is it doesn't matter the method if you're putting blueberries and they put through on top of it. No one knows if the fat was creamed. Or i have never had a strouss topped cupcake. I i haven't either. But oh no. But i'm saying if the base rate i'm saying unfrosted cupcake is merely a muffin. May have strouss toppings on them. I think there's a world in which a cupcake could reasonably have a strong topping on it. And i believe those are indistinguishable from each other. No i disagree completely the two textures of a cupcake versus a muffin or totally different. Because often like sour cream is added. The muffins often right. There's there's some sort of additional. Yeah denser but bake is that not just a denser cupcake because it can. You don't have to say it's good cupcake. That's the thing you not to say. A muffin is a good cupcake. You can just say that. It's a dense bad cupcake. You know you're so. I prefer muffins a waiver. And i'm sorry. I'm standing my ground. Mr mann two different things. A cup you can. A cupcake is is light. It's airy it's you know has frosting on even in unfrosted cupcake it's bs. I don't like it. You can like put some like Powdered sugar on top or some cocoa powder on top needs. Something on top of jas cupcake. What's that but i really want one. I wanna wet cupcake inside. Many mommy blogs mommy blowing recipe. That's got if the mommy blog recipe that i would make in rate five stars because it sounds what an utter treat. Yeah i don't know there's something about it being in a tiny little petite of edible cup that i don't know just doesn't make sense to me. They're just two different recipes. It's two different cooking methods. It's two different baking method. It's two different treats Yeah so so you think that there is a density coefficient absolutely. There's a density coefficient news. Because i don't know coefficient is your nordell. Coefficient in mathematical terms means thing. Thing thing i know but i'm saying there is a point at which might cupcake becomes so dense that it transitions from cupcake hood into muffin hood. I think i think this is a common enough occurrence right. It's like If a i don't know creme caramel turns egg enough. It turns into offline may cram. Carmel is for say. Yeah that's about hundred Fun or the same exact thing okay. So it's like if a soup which again i do. Not believe soup exists. But let's play with the fact that i do today. It was like if a soup reaches a certain thickness and salinity becomes the sauce tomato. Soup you boil it down enough. The sauce sure. So so there has to be a transitional point there. It's like the activation energy required to turn water into ice right. There is a very specific point when it reaches thirty two degrees. And then it ticks over with this big rush of energy that finally causes the molecules solidify relationships that transitional point. We're saying that a soup has a transitional point of thickness and i would argue probably flavor in salinity that turns into a sauce that you can no longer your whole ball. See i can. I can agree with you because cupcake does. Not turn to a muffin. And a muffin does not turn into a cupcake completely. By the way that you make them. Yes and that is solely has to do with the creaming. I mean that's just not. That's not the sole reason. It's the main reason is the start of the create. It is the creation of the cupcakes slash muffin. That you're making there is intense. There is purpose sub laughing at me. The messed up thing things that i'm laughing because like i think you might be right. Yeah i think so too. But i think about like the variety of cakes chiffon cakes sponges. Sure all the stuff. So many cakes have different methods to them with you. Know when you cream the fat with the sugar when you add the leavening how the speed at which is supposed to beat it to create different levels of air trapped in the batter different. All that isn't it. Reasonable to believe is not reasonable to believe. Okay a muffin. Might say if you took a muffin better and you bake that in a cake. Tin right like a like a cake. Pan yeah is that just a muffin loaf or like or or say you say you scone this phone one. I don't know what a scone is gone. It's gone from my grandma says my grandma's from south africa but she has a heavily british accent as she says scone though knots gone. Oh sure scott necess- gone. I don't know what i think. That might be different because anytime a grandma says scone. She's i believe referring to an english muffin. Oh so she grandma is wrong but if she's english ish pit which is like eastern european ju ju in south africa. English muffins just trumpet. But what is she go. Call the scott scott. No she must call it that in result africa. I don't know maybe anyways Point is what is running around in circles. You know the right answer. No but i'm saying you take you. Take a blueberry muffin better. Yeah to blue berries. Blueberries bake that on like a sheet pan. Why would i do that this matter. Let's hypothetically hypothetically you had a why would make cost. You didn't know where you were. You thought you were making a cake batter stupid you. You made a muffin better. Oh my god. They're so different. Aren't they completely different. Say no. they're not so different. That's like saying puff. Pastry pie-crust are too similar. They have similar methods similar ingredients. But they're both pastry right. They're both pastry you just in the same way that you know enough and better and better cakes. No you're you're you know does like saying a pancake batter and a cake better the same. Think that okay. Now now you're talking my language batters but they're not the same thing. Yeah i pour pancake batter into a intake. Tonight could get some rise in some leavening in it but it's just a pancake in another vessel or crap. Yea this is where i get got. Yeah i believe that. Yeah because someone was actually an opinion casserole awhile ago where someone mentioned that they just like which i respect this for convenience they just pour a bunch of pancake batter in like a low fat. Not you flag a nine by thirteen like remember this one. I really remember the bake it in the bars and then cut it. Eat it as a cake. Which one like pretty ingenious way. If you're like do just eggs bacon and vegetables. You stink up the fridge fridge. We'll i call them protein bars. We'll take like bacon cheese spinach mushrooms. And i'll mix that with raw egg in an all bake it off in a giant sheet. All y'all do about twenty-five jags. Birth chris the crustless quiche as like. You know cream into. There's like a lightness to keep. There's also there's also there's like an enjoy ability to quiche that. I'm lacking sounds like a like to be like a little mine is just meant to get like salty protein in the bar of egg egg bar it turns a little bit gray especially when they're very convenient and it's like reasonably turns gray anyways. Point is yeah. you're right. pinky. I mean pancake. Batter is very similar to cake. I suppose the place where i would disagree is that the sugar content is very different. So that's why i don't believe pancake. Batter is similar to kick better just because the shooter content is so low of traditional pancake batter. Which is what is you. Wish is what allows it to cook If pancake batter has too much sugar in it. Have you ever taken like cake batter and tried like cook. It burns burns burns immediately. Does whereas a muffin better would react very similarly to cake better it would be similar. But it's not the same. Also whenever you cook a muffin. You cook it at a two. Well you're right with muffins you cook them to different temperatures just with my History of making muffins. You started a really high to get really nice cross. And then you bring it down. So can get a really nicely. Cook center. High heat causes the muffin. Top effect right. Yeah well sometimes. It does create that that like really beautiful like rocky mountain snow surface on it but it like creates a crust almost and then the center can like cook really nicely and evenly Accents like a kennel way similar. Love kennedy's kelly is to are listening. Pass i don't exactly. Yeah so it's a high sugar very sweet badge that you put it in a mold. That has really beautiful ridges on it and you cook it at a super super super high temperature like at five hundred degrees and caramelizes on the outside because it's has such high sugar content and then the center stays like a little bit air easy. But still kind of gooey and beautiful and then you pop it out. And it's like care mayes on the outside in the centers like this beautiful custody batter but it's totally set and has these arab bubbles in it. We used to put a chocolate cake. Truffles in the center of them when they were so warm. Talk about the really what what gives kenley because it has his almost spiderweb texture. It's the temperature. So i think it's a combination of the temperature. The sugar content and the vessel that is cooked in copper yes a traditional traditionally creates this like microcosm of everything to go right yea beautiful texture that you can get with anything. Same thing with trumpets crump those beautiful little holes in there too. And i think that's from the Sodium bicarbonate or whatever they moved them. That creates these beautiful. Like parts of air and these little nooks and crannies that we love an english muffin tracing. I do love me some trumpets. Yeah i've never had a trumpet. Oh you stephen with my grandma she. She called him something else. Peas boxes you. It's a b.'s buggies. I'd i grew up with a weird sense of what foods are called interesting a box because they have little hose for the peace. Do i would come home from school. Doesn't grandmother time and she would be like. Oh joe showed some sausages not. Count some sausages. Those beefy teen shoots microwave up some hebrew national hot dogs and throw it on top mashed potatoes. Hotdog is a sausage. I know hugs sausage. But i'm saying there. Are you know like we would differentiate very clearly between a hot dog and sausage at least from an american businesses from south africa. Just different things are different lilly. The benefit of doubt given criminal her chicken cacciatore as water. No i love my grandma. Tuna dip is fantastic secret ingredient is gelatin cream of mushroom soup and gelatin. And it's my goes. The need granny's parties while the smoke salmon is finishing de icing on the table coming out the freezer because those bond at the costco six years ago. You see gelatin. I'm around the mouth. I'm sure it does. But i just can't get over the idea of tuna and gelatin. We should get into. Ym so mad. Ym so matt is a cupcake guy. No muffin man. i am man. I'm not a serial killer established topic show but no. I am a huge muffin van. I think the texture is superior. Okay i hate the fact that we've been bamboozled. We've been absolutely bamboozled into believing that muffins should be a breakfast food because muffins are desert. And they're fantastic. They're both but i. I don't think i think there is this subset of items you right now. You mean to tell me you bran muffins for dessert program ovens and it's not for the health. Do they make poop good. Yeah i'd love just the kind of wholesome weedy flavor of brand. Yeah and i love that in a muffin especially a soak through and sugar. What at night. Time though like after a meal to dj. stephen plus. That's what number i think. Muffins are like the superior version of cupcakes. Which is why. I'm advocating so strongly for this anytime. We have an office party and they bring in sprinkles cupcakes. I wish they'd just bring in winds mom sprinkles cupcakes. I used to love them. The they were iram is Yeah yeah yeah. I don't know. I'm not a big cupcake. Fan either. Only come cakes muffins. Annika slice of a layer cake. I agree with that. A layer like With relatively thin cake layers as well not crossing either just like i don't like frosting. No no no no buttercream america buttercream. Which also i believe is called crusting by the boil boiled cream. No i don't think it's aren't they. Don't you think your standard. I think it's your standard buttercream. Someone call it. American butter cream is something. Different than you probably. It's not just butter and sugar. When i think of butter kunia butter sugar and have a little a little bit of milk. Yeah you know you know. The best way to make buttercream is like actually taking like hot syrup and mixing into egg whites and then dropping in butter. That means kramer. Is that a I was raised. I was raised in the cooking. World called that of butter cream but other people not probably learned from people that called the butter. I'm not being a baker is so tough for me. there's like what like the viennese. There's like italian swiss in like There's an egg yolk buttercream. I forgot what it's called but no one is using. That's another thing is i. Love layer cake so much. And i love cake baking any not doing it myself but i appreciate it so much But like that skill to me doesn't often get applied to cupcakes. It did for awhile especially angeles in los angeles at georgetown. Riots sprinkles we had so many cupcake crumbs had crossed the biggest crumbs. Stan ever loved big. Gotta sprinkle i gotta go to susie. Keynes and you're like shit. Vited you susie but yeah i know there was a period of time in la specifically where there was a huge cake. Boom and i have a feeling the food network really really helped to that with the cupcake. Wars cake games and all those silly little by the red velvet revolution red velvet. They bastardize red velvet. Velvet is a beautiful light. Cocoa cake has a little bit of food coloring process. What it is. Didn't you set food coloring. I know because the cocoa powder would. Alkalis with the vinegar. I know all about that. But no i think nowadays a red velvet has turned into an ugly think. A new red velvet was done. Because i walked into a grocery store. It's awesome that said blue velvet cupcakes and it was. I once complained to a major grocery store chain onto. Didn't even complain. I just. I just sent them like a tweet of a picture of my mouth after eating one of their cupcakes you did. It was there. I mean the ratio must have been half cake batter half food dye. It was unbelievable. But here's my thing. We don't see the cupcake revolution right. Cupcakes were fetishizes. We fetishizes cupcakes for a long time. I wish we did the same muffins. I think muffins because they've been put into the breakfast category that they're not getting as much respect as they deserve. I think they need to climb out of like the the morning dregs and rise to desert stardom. Because i think they're beautiful like You know kind of denser chewier complex version totally cupcake and less cutesy right just more sort of intense labor. I mean i wanna. I wanna get out there with caramelized rhubarb in barberry muffins. Gimme furrow some throw some berries. Make those for me one time. No how to cook. I have two wonderful cooking show on the internet to cook. Maybe i should. Maybe i should get into artisanal muffin baking. I think that would be. I think that would revive the american spirit on muffins. Yes some blog got blogs. What does this two thousand twelve nicole. She's a muffin. Tiktok en vogue. Josh you got an email. The other day from the wicks dot com support team. That was like a by the way corner broke down. Dot net is officially expired. Like oh god. I still had a website. Yeah i got that from go daddy. Awhile doesn't matter anymore. Tell us your website. Always wanna tell you. I'm not saying anything about any anymore. Let's go back to talking about muffing. What else makes me mad. What the term quick bread today. Why was the most exasperated. I she like. It was like a denzil fainting in the silent. Movie with the hand on the head. Because the split between muffin and cupcake what. It really comes down to the split between cake in quick bread rate so quick bread is any bread. That is levin using. You're talking about sodium bicarbonate or baking soda any quick learner as opposed to like a yeast fermented bread everything from wonder bread to like a sour loaf to a baguette Even down to doughnuts are yeast doughnuts made with yeast in that gives us signature. Sort cheese picture Any of these more sort of like crumbly moist breads thinking irish soda bread. Beer bread Keeney bread pumpkin bread all that stuff. They're all put in the category of quick bread rate. So that's you know the baking soda but to me. There's such a huge difference between like an irish soda bread and like say Banana nut bread banana bread. That's that's muffin battery. Which i still cake but yeah okay so you hold on you agree. The banana bread is cake. Of course it's not a muffin better. It's gets very close cake. If you took a banana bread batter out that into a cupcake ten. Am ten because they are one of the same but a little wrapper on it puts them. Maybe put some chopped walnuts walnuts. I enjoy Bullets wasn't banana bread. No cold and we want to from the way. The bananas lettering. I might even put them walnut oil in there. You know you you feel like those sort of phenolic tones would kind of know nice. Maybe a little bit of chocolate chips. If i'm feeling ansi you don't think that you put that. No muffin tenor. That makes into a perfect muffin. It depends on my bake it. Does it depends on so. Many people are so many different recipes for for banana bread and all that ditto for ezekiel bread but if such a high sugar content right they separated. They're not a quick bread in the sense of whenever they're a cake in. But then you put that into a mold you think like in a blind taste test. Someone makes you banana nut muffin versus walnuts. That were put into a banana bread. Recipe into a cupcake mold and baked. You think you have ten different people. Make this banana bread cooked in a cupcake tin and then ten different people cook a banana. A muffin in a muffin. Ten in your shuffling around. How of them could you guess are the muffins versus the blindfolded. Yes you're no not blindfolded you can see him. You can see him screw it. You can see him. Okay so ten people. Okay what okay. What are the democrat randolph. You select a jury. You're out there you be like. This is the thirty four year old school teacher. From bend oregon. She drives a subaru. She really Enjoys baking on the weekends. This is this is sixty eight year old grandmother from from from portsmouth. I don't even know in rhode island. I don't know maybe poor demarches from bangor maine. Okay my sixteen year old green from bangor maine. She has a garden in the backyard. She's been bacon cupcakes for sixty one years since she was seven years old. Based on the. Why cupcakes while but she recently got into baking muffins. And you have to guess which one this is she baked. Okay honestly honestly no. They look different. If i put a muffin at a cupcake side by side you would know which one's the muffin. No yes you would well. It's the top of a muffin. Compared to the top of the perfect coffee shop muffin. That is the perfect muffin top. Not all muffins. Perfect muffin top. You know i wish they did. I sure wish they did what you laugh at perfect muffin dot. Yes got a hard muffin. Top going right because we were just coming out to lunch drink. I drink a solid pint of doll. Hot liquid gold into my tummy. And i'm feeling great. It was delicious order of the day. I think he resents me for it. I absolutely loved all Was it a great choice right before podcasts to drink a pint of lentils no. I could've eaten a normal person like a normal person. And so that's why i got miranda limo. Med listen josh. I know where you're coming forward. I'm really trying to empathize with what you're trying to say but unfortunately you're just wrong. I think there's something to method and intent being very important to the statehood of a dish. Short ray it's like it's the reason you know. Say a souffle in an have the same ingredients but they're very different dishes based on intent and methodology You know what i mean. I agree with you. One million percents all about eggs laundry and they both have different purposes. I think the purposes for a muffin and cupcake are very muddled in. That's where i'm getting to me. There's no reason that a slightly denser crunchier cupcake should be eating in the morning and then once should be eaten at night. I think that's very silly. I don't agree. And that's what i want freedom. I want freedom for all people to to be able to eat the foods that they wanna eat at any point. I think they should be able to buy fresh muffins at eight. Pm at night. I think they should make muffins all throughout the day. I'm sick of getting to the coffee shop. A seven pm closing and like we're all muffins for meanwhile the cupcake shop down the street nicole department. I'm sorry josh i'm sorry. Do we feed pop tarts the children. Josiah missoula service. I'm really sorry for like this is really a desert. The french word you're right. I know. I know it's hard. You have to keep just saying worst. Strudel's alert say swiss rules. You know like come on you know. What am i talking. Stop you need to grow up. You need to realize kick in muffin or two very different things. Although their cousins they are from different families and their adopted and they love each other. Okay that's a heck of a way arguments. Go go muffins or cupcakes. Grow up grow up. Josh muffins cupcakes. Not they're so different. You literally different things. Put frosting on muffin. No you've gone too fun now. You've just crossed it a muffin. Something to nicole never had a muffin with icing on the top. I don't think i've had a muffin with icing. Yeah it was always a cupcake daughter. Boom no no. I the thing where you kind of got me was like You know the pie cruisers pot faced in so many pastries are so similar. But they got different names rada queen amman croissant thing names or slightly different shapes crappy crisan might be gnarled and look a bit like a queen amman. You know an ornate queen mine might be folded in such a way that it could be confused for croissant. But they're different. And i have to honor the artisan who made that. You can't put strudel in a toaster. How do you put sister wit. Who that cereal. As a dessert. I learnt take cocoa krispies now. Mcghee i'm not wrapping up. I'm not saying this well. What happens if you take cocoa krispies. Cereal you make risotto with them. Disturbed human being well. We'll go to the doc format to tell you. I think you would. We don't have to end this winning or losing. It's just realizing when you're wrong. What i want you to do their you and i we listen when we when we don't agree. We both lose. Remember that yeah yeah. We're one force one team one. Yeah you're just wrong. Great you and i say now it's time to find out what other wacky ideas around out there in the internet sanford segment we call her. Nicole is either miami or playing on defense with their hands while she did that. I couldn't delve. You're trying to get out of a box or if you regarding the passing lanes on the perimeter. I don't even think you know what what is it. Good he the perimeter passing lanes on the perimeter. Someone's china someone signed to swing. Someone's trying to swing do flashing nicole basketball basketball for me. At jesse mccartney actual best frozen pizza we must have proclaimed that there was the best frozen pizza. I still believe it is red. Bear in or wild mike's costco. Oh echo moscow actual best frozen pizza fresh eta gluten-free forties super chris crest. I don't believe either of us have ever had fra shetty. Gluten-free never never but the reason we wanted to do this and not gloss over it is because i had been pronouncing that fresca. Like and i had been saying frisky for shutt- it's pronounced shed in commercials for shadow. Okay but i will say one time. I went to the buca. Di beppo the most authentic italian restaurant in all of america. Honestly one of those chain restaurants. I really love and like i didn't go giada. I didn't go. Hey can i get that. Bruce gotta server goes. Did you mean britiah and i was like a crossroads right now where i don't wanna make a thing i just. They have a really lovely bruce. Got there and i just wanted it but i was like if i say yes i meant. British etta fell. You know like a like a phony okay just being like i want your approval like oh my god. Yeah such idiot. I certainly didn't want her to go away from that thinking. Like oh this a whole trying to johnny angle brusca So anyway i like. Yeah i met brusca and then stared at her. We gotta anyways. This is awkward standoff. And that's the reason. I want to talk about this opinion. Okay well This opinion is good. I've nothing else. It be be eilish. Twenty four says. Pb eilish bb on the podcast. People need to stop putting reasons and everything. I love reasons but pies salad etc. Don't need raisins raisins and things like some things off. Things like in my in my cereal. Great yeah in chicken curry salad really really good. I'm just a handful. Just a racist plus. My mouth equals bind raises weird. Right we can agree on the. Yeah why don't we get you. Don't buy raises there in your pantry. There's their knows are bought raisins. but there's always only cooking existed with raisins. And so i have at home this just like you know. Probably a pound box of golden raisins. Each large handful is probably like less than an ounce. Yeah for sure. There's so much of it. And so i've actually been tossing reasons. I mean reasons are pretty commonly you. I mean we'll fruit and savory dishes is like pretty common in a lot of parts of the world. I'm thinking morocco. I'm thinkin like persian. I've just been tossing raisins into random. Stews that are pretty heavily. Spiced generally got some sort of you know tomato component into freaking lovely. Yeah oh my god yelich a really warm warm spice. Plus some heat in there some raisins. I'm a huge fan. I like raisins and coleslaw okay. which is an unpopular opinions. Yeah liking coleslaw is an unpopular coleslaw but putting raisins doubly bad. Who you wanna you wanna weird opinion is coleslaw salad. scofflaws asuka. Kfc cau- is technically biggest baccio. Yes cold cabbage. You should read the next question. Hughes clan cost play pickled relish spot. Show yeah i. It's it's like it's condensed and dense. Yes convinced you pickle relish you combine it with the water and you do get a very strangely flavored pickle pickle spots. Yeah correct i. I do not enjoy pickle. Relish prepared pickle relish. I think. I generally when i want pickles. I don't go sweet. I dig on some bread and butter pickles once in a while but often like say you're making it thousand island. Fresh chopped pickles versus just prepared pickle relish world of difference. I really really loved the flavor of relish. Sometimes like you put tuna salad. It's really hot dog. it's pretty good. I don't like it on my burgers though not a little bit of relish you know every now and then makes you feel good. That's the thing. I do not enjoy fatburger. Very much. they are not my preference her. They put relish and mustard on their hamburgers by default. You can you can ask for it to not be there. But it's the fact that they do it by default that gets me to not dress them. Yeah yeah yeah logo. Thirteenth says mayo on a sausage and pepper grinder with heavy. Mas is bomb. Yeah it sounds pretty bomb. I kinda wanna eat that. Yeah it's awesome. I am. I also really enjoy may wanna cheese steak Especially if you use provolone having like having like i like mutts on a sandwich like that it doesn't it's not as self sausage cheese Some cheeses have a high enough like fat content. Right there like self sauces. That's such an interesting take to call. Cheese self sauces even like a medium cheddar is almost acts as a sauce with the amount of moisture. That's coming from it. But something like a mod surfer using approval on a cheese steak like us american energy steak that emulsifiers with the beef fat to create its own delicious sauce. Yeah use provolone rate too low moisture too much protein. You don't get that so like to take a little schmear man as almost like gives the illusion of cheese with be get all that flavor from from the provolone so this is kind of in that same vein and love that people need to be more comfortable with hot mannix. I hate that you said that. So much but yeah. Mail is not that people are just have a versions. Too weird thing blowtorch mayo. They do it on a dynamite role. Oh when you say like okay. I love dynamite roseanne. Here's my favorite thing. So a dynamite rule is just. I think it's a california roll. Maybe with avocado sometimes. Not and then. It's just little dollops spicy mayo on it. Sometimes you scallops on it. But sometimes i just like the spicy meal and they broil it and it's fudgy yet but they put spicy mail on spicy mayo. If you listen to this podcast how much. I love spicy mayo. So spicy mayo. So email that has been blow torched and put on sushi. That's hot and it's just real real good man as the coal california gone. We're such epicurious. All right at curly underscored caps go talkies dipped in vanilla. Ice cream is the best snack. Ever i've heard of people doing this with hot cheetos. I think talkies work better than she does though. Yeah it does because it has a higher acid mental lower garlic components cheese garlic onion compare. There's the like the main difference between talk. Way goes or the main difference. Infla- talkies and flaming hot cheetos. Is that flaming out. Geos have more like garlic onion cheese pure acid heat spice chili good good. That works with ice cream that toasted corn works really well as ice cream. So sounds very good. I've never done it. i know what i'm doing. Pay seru says. Mac and cheese is best. Eaten with avocado and valentino sauce. Probably mean valentina hot sauce. I love valentina. The first time. I was introduced to valentino when i was twenty years old and my ex-boyfriend mating breakfast tacos. So team is a good breakfast. Hot sauce breaks jason for me. It is really good on breakfast breakfast. Burritos i love it. And you know if you're eating mac and cheese avocado and valentina. You're probably a good person. Yeah yeah my compass clean slate. Good person love you. Come to my house like you see someone. Put like a poached egg into into like instant ramen. And here's like yeah. Yeah this is your european era. People agree with that. Call us out at jay monahan. Oh five one. Six flavor blasted goldfish and sarah hit different on top of any stove stove. Top mac and cheese. I love topping sto. Because i i do enjoy. I like a good like hardy. Baked mac and cheese. She's super caramelized. And you get that. That brick factor yet with the stretchy cheese. Also do love just like a creamy stove-top mac and cheese i. I'm a stove top girl. Yeah i think so. I don't know why are they both have their place. I can't. I can't personally recreate mac and cheese baked as well as i can as other missile i can make stove top mac and cheese with them. I think i agree with that. But i cannot make back baked mac and cheese. The other people can in a modest talented in a modest deft at that form of cooking. It is it's the alchemy followed people's recipes to and they're they're baked mac and cheese like my mind doesn't come out the right way like the kitchen says mac and cheese recipe big mac and cheese recipe. Oh my god hurling recipe on the internet. I think it's i think it's the most amazing recipe and she really puts a lot of tender loving care in her cooking. So i tried to do that. One time i just i. It was delicious. Knows good. But i like it did it and she just needs to may give me an send it to me so i can try it. We should get nj. Angela davis says she she is like one of the best respirators on the internet. If not my personal favorite roasted mango pie. Holy crap next level. unbelievable everyone. Yeah go check out at the kitchen. Isa on twitter or e books. She she rules. She really goldfish tight. This okay so the last person was like my people this. I don't really. I actually think is more. My people may see. The avocado and valentina differ. Jobs where we differ. 'cause i understand this because i like the cream stealth but i also want a little bit of crunch and then i put hot sauce on ninety percent of that. I'm eating which i think is a nice mac and cheese hot sauce. Because you don't get the acid that may obstruct. I still like acid on on mac and cheese shit but like you know. Sometimes you don't want that. I want something a little bit more ketchupy a little bit more sugar. Some kind of surata. This might be able jay monahan coming out all you. Nicole is going to avoid you. And i'm sorry. No pick up the phone jill. Johnston two seven seven says i eat. Dill pickle seasoning for popcorn straight. Lick my finger dip in the powder and eat it weird. You should ask us if what you do is weird. Not good bronner's weird weird quirks and quips with food so why. I don't think we're weird. I think we're deceptively worldly and also like You know accepting because when i hear dill pickle seasoning straight. My mind immediately goes to lucas powder. Yeah i mean it's literally delicious acidic salty. Sweet powder that you eat and it's delicious. It's like a pixie stick with you know some more like for sure and so. I don't think this is weird at all. I think that's really fun. Occasionally if i wanna feel something. I'll take some tahitian hinge upon my hand luke. Yeah yeah. I don't think this is weird at all. I think if it works for you works for you absolutely. Yeah i have some dill pickle seasoning. I just bought. It's literally in the kitchen. So i think i'm gonna do a little fingertip pretty soon. Do it at cats added again cat. What did you do your at it again. Cal bill tacos are only good if you sub for chicken i don't know what that quote unquote beef is made of. But it is whack that beef. It is actually may what can of worms. Can't you read it again. Cat if you simply do a google search for taco bell beef. You'll be directed to a taco bell website that breaks down every single ingredient of what is in their beef because they were hit with a A spurious lawsuit. They claim that their beef is only thirty. Four percent beef by weight when in fact it was eighty eight percent which launched several people knew a tirade saying taco bell. What is the last twelve percent. They had to make a website disclosing what the last twelve percent is. And it's things that are crazy lake spices and water and a little bit of starch. Like oatmeal to get the spices to bind with the beef in the water even better so it is pure beef. It's like a Braves it's like a it's like a raghu like the oh At taco bell beef to me is like a very very well seasoned delicious mexican american bowling. As i am a huge fan They're checking on the other hand. There shredded chicken. I thought was their best. Chicken iteration the grilled chicken. I actually used to work at a catering company. Ucla that we feed all the athletes but restaurants that are on college campuses in an airport so they contract out parties so for some reason we showed the commissary kitchen with taco bell. I would serve these large sacks of taco bell chicken. Okay and it's coming you know pre chopped with the fake grill marks on it into it just has it's very kind of weird acidic saline solution soaked into it. They're are not the biggest fan of their shredded chicken with solid but to me by far the best meat option taco bell beef I'm a beans girl. Oh yeah oh there'd beans fire to sabin's taco bell got great soupy i i sometimes get their beef but most of the time i'm getting beings. They're relatively similar if you really very similar textures and flavors. Yeah sometimes. I just like means fair. Nobis sabin's shutout kushtia friend of the show and my best friend deep both both bonded over the no beef sub beans and on that note. 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101 What Motivates Entrepreneurs? w/ Jaime Masters

Christopher Lochhead Follow Your Different™

1:28:47 hr | 2 years ago

101 What Motivates Entrepreneurs? w/ Jaime Masters

"The fact that we're business owners and dealing with much as we deal with is really really impressive and i don't think people pat themselves on the back enough either they have really high expectations because we have wonderful interview shows but i love how years is very real but a lot of people even on my show. They're like oh and it was great. It was hard for a while. You know and i figured it out now. So we gloss over all the shit that people go through. Thanks for pressing play. This is christopher lockhead volume different where we aspire to have real conversations on perceptions that are designed to shine a light on what it takes to follow your different in life business and of course marketing on this episode jamie masters and a conversation about what motivates legendary entrepreneurs now my friends at spunk are the leaders in big data and has you know legendary businesses are digital businesses and data is the foundation of digital businesses spunk brings data to every question every decision and most importantly every action checkout s._p. L. u. n. k. dot com and tell him lockhead sent you and the good folks at oracle net sweet wanna help turbocharged the growth of your business and as a listener to this odd cast their offering you a free one hour growth review with an expert in your industry so why not go go to net sweet dot com slash different and set up your growth review today. That's net sweet dot com slash different on this episode jamie masters. She is an entrepreneurial coach and podcasting pioneer and i think she's awesome. She's the host of the eventual millionaire podcast which is insanely popular ocular and <hes>. You know i gotta tell you. Jamie was one of the very first people <hes> who was sort of a superstar in the podcast world to welcome me into her world will bring me on her podcast. Shortly after my first book play bigger came out and you don't just generally being helpful and wonderful and so i have real affection for her not just for what she does but because of how she's been to being we have a fun insightful impractical conversation about how to be a legendary entrepreneur on and this episode is a special opportunity to go deep with a gal who is compelling engaging in wise. You may also enjoy the part of our conversation. Where are we talk about. How jamie's kids are going to entrepreneur school. Checkout lockhead dot com for the show notes on this episode and key takeaways and now hey ho let's go for lunch new master vines which is super awesome. I i just came back from vacation. So now now i'm tan all is well in the world. Where were you on vacation into. Mexico burnings antsy my ruin camila. I wanted to be an archaeologist when i was little so it was very helpful. You got to get your <hes> raiders of the lost ark juices flowing. I wore like lara croft out a fan. It was awesome. Is that on your instagram. Where do i see that. Excuse i'm as i have. I have a thing for costumes just as a side note. I have lots of costume so yes. I i always play the parts so fun and then do you have like your indiana jones hatton whipped to do you have that action. I do have a wet but i unhappy yes i have. I have so many you've no. I'm listening for 'cause play so we've even had at our house invited a whole bunch of actually hi linda printers i could named out but i won't and i make them mark austere and we'd do board games what board games we've done settlers of catan we've done. There's a home a whole wide range depends on who comes it and if they're into hardcore board game stuff or if they're into more of the fun party game stats wow and so what is it with you and cost is play in games. I'm a geek so the sword while i think we generated a sword while and it's all geeky soared so it's all like zelda and wonder woman and deadpool and that's it's sort of from the old tech geek jamie that used to just play video games all the time. That's me why they're all that much when it comes to this stuff but that's me you know it's interesting. You mentioned wonder woman as a little boy. I love wonder woman. Linda carter was one of my heroes and i love that show and her her personality and the whole persona and the whole thing. You know almost as much as i love batman so i don't like d._c. As much so we can talk about that but you know they're okay like marvel geeky. I don't even know who's who so. I don't have have these so so what which one is wonder woman wonder woman's on dc side and you like d._c. I prefer marvel or you prefer. I wonder woman as one of the main captain marvel's okay. We have one of the wonderful. There's only a handful of emails so i can only get behind a few so no. I totally get behind wonder woman but she's d._c. I don't like them as much as i like marvel but if you are on this train and you have no idea what i'm talking about yeah i don't. I don't know why if you'd like one or the other i just i always liked batman batman because i mean even though he's a rich dude. It doesn't have any superpowers right and so he's he's just a dude east like <hes> you know <hes> <hes> charles bronson death wish you know he's a vigilante is like well. I kill my parents. I'm gonna beat you up and put you in jail right. There's something about that. I even as a little boy i related to have them in custody then i. I don't mind mom so when i was a kid. You couldn't just go to amazon and buy a batman costume. Rank has none of that of course existed and so my mom made me a batman cost you that's an amazing mom yeah like she fucking cut it and sewed it and the whole thing and i wore it and i worked for halloween alouine order on the little apartment but i wore it around the apartment and the ears and i can remember growing up in montreal canada. It was like well halloween. Wean is at a time of the year where you knew growing up the old batman in the winter. You know you can't sort of wear a park over your costume and so it was always like i don't know ten pairs along underwear or something trying to stay warm trick or treating in the in the homemade batman costume. That's how you need to post photos on n._s. Afterwards just showing up do you have any. I do have some actually in my house even more than i do as you might expect but yeah they look very funny clearly homemade and but you know adorable because of it right that's amazing on now well is that maybe i could talk to making me one now. My wife carries very creative about stuff like that. She could probably do it too and i like the old school batman like i like adam west and not that i haven't liked some of the newer batman <hes> but you know i met out in west when i was a little boy yeah yeah. My dad took me to one of those car shows where he would sign autographs and stuff and it was like adam. West batman heard me. I said you make a good adam. Adam west batman. Thank you relate to the zap and the pao about the regal. I liked that about ten yeah and he had i don't know if if i do but he had like a very good nose mouth and chin like his bat part of his face was really good in the cowl right well. We'll find out after your mom makes you an outfit and so. Do you have particular so you do. What do you like to dress up as well so i have to wonder. I have the full wonder woman gosling. How's play but it was that on your instagram. Where do you have photos of this. I there probably is. I'm a business coach right so i'm like how much costumes can i really really showcase on instagram. It's more a little personal side of things. I don't normally share my crazy costume things but yeah so the reason why i got the wonder woman costing him wasn't actually for halloween. One of my friends on the spiderman goes to hospitals and he's like okay. If you get a one outfit that we can go to hospitals now is like okay great then. I can use it for absolutely everything else so that's the reason why we got it. We still have not been yet so i just have the wonder woman costume but it's waiting josh just text me and we can go to the hospitals until you're ready ready to go to hospital yet now. You haven't actually done it yet not yet now well. <hes> there is something extraordinary one when a child sees one one of their heroes and of course i can remember being that child did you. Did you have any experience like that when you were a little meeting meeting somebody that was a big deal to you. You know oh i did. Do you remember the car kit that of course some knight rider. Yes that writer. Thank you so i got to. I got to go in the car and he was there. I didn't really get to see him but close really but he was there and that was a huge deal for me. That's funny. I haven't thought about that in a really long time. Ya yeah yeah can't and it had remembered had that red light that winter around it and staff and actually we're getting pretty close right. I mean the new tesla's her getting there. And of course we got the smart vacation of everything and so you know sooner or later we're going to say hey siri start the car ride like that's not that far from now. Oh gosh national. I the future so i'm i've always been obsessed with futuristic kind of stuff anyway and so yeah. It is really cool to see that car. I want that car. Just like pat. Flynn really wants the delorean alan delorean. I'd rather have i'd rather have writer and isn't kit the knight rider. It's a transam. Isn't it no loan then. I really don't know but i really like i bet you you could come senior senior writer car like twelve dollars now. It looks so yeah here. It is god bless the internet wikipedia a nineteen eighty two. The car used his nine hundred eighty two nice okay. You're born in one thousand nine hundred. I'm gonna kill myself. You just made a very very interesting face. I'm just gonna kill myself good to know sorry everybody listening. I didn't mean to the t shirts older than you. I think so the hard one thousand nine hundred pontiac firebirds sports model that cost one hundred thousand one dollars to build so equivalent of two hundred sixty five thousand dollars today so pittance so yeah. I bet you pontiac my first garza pontiac that grand down wow grand dam in the fire were bent of virtually the same car. I'm just googling to see knight. Rider car for sale is so here's one on here's one on ebay. I was part of the club down so it's very different than gps are very different than than those types of cars. Yeah i like gps to i had gps for years really yeah ramblers and then i had a wrangler named lucy when i was living in tahoe called her lucy because she was this cool sort of burnt orangey red caller after lucille ball not not too far off your hair and match it and then when i moved from tahoe to santa cruz. I had a grand cherokee for awhile. I've had to yeah we. We had a thirty six inch tires <unk> c._j. Seven i think it was <hes> back in the day. I was part of that whole club <unk> breaking down over. We do rock crawling. It was in new hampshire when i lived in the middle of nowhere hampshire. There's lots of rocks. That's what you do before. You haven't podcast you randomly. Go rot calling and fix things not not that i can fix cars. I made the food for the people in the club to fix my jeep because you know i can't fix known to man food is a great way to encourage people to help. Upi out isn't it. It's all i could do. I mean who feed me and i'll do almost anything wait neck. You just said that on your your own podcast. Everybody's gonna send him stuff cookies brown. I don't know what you're gonna. Scott allen scotch yeah people. Send me scotch like like that yeah. I actually well. I can't really reach worm sitting but there's a lot right now. Let me see if i can. This is scotch. That was nice to me and you'll see here. This has got the legends losers logo on it yeah mahler it will but people people. I've never had you know. I don't really consider this job but <hes> but i've never had a job where people send me shit like like nice shit to say thank you and stuff. I've eventually millionaire boxing gloves. Someone engraved boxing does that say because i used to do a lot of time so i venture some lesnar boxing gloves. I've got somebody this is the geeky. I guess i should tell people i like scotch scotch but i usually get weirdo. Geeky things like somebody made me and zelda million dollar bill with my logo all over it and like this case thing right. It's like i tell the kids at christmas going to the p._o. Box yeah. No you never know what's going to be there an old buddy of mine. I used to work with years ago ramsey smith who lives in australia. He sent me a whiskey from over there ear and people send me stuff from all over the place yeah the ass no get weirdo gifts from random stocker people though too so it's a little different i think for ladies than it is for guys online. Just just do so that happens to you. I mean not that. I'm surprised but it sounds terrible. It's interesting. I've got love letters letters of people that are in love with me that i did never met before so it's interesting. I mean there's love and the nurse love right. I mean i love your podcast asked. I love your work. I think you're an incredible gal but that's not what we're talking about here art active about number. Have you ever had amy more on on your podcast. Oh you'd love her. She's the thirteen things mentally strong. People don't do person and she's got <hes> think three. Maybe four versions the booker most recent one is <hes> thirteen. Things mentally strong. Women don't do face and i think she's wonderful. Her ted talk is really worth checking out she she had some big early tragedies in her life including losing her husband and her mother you know very close time wise and <hes> and she's she's a therapist and so forth and so on and anyway she she's i i. I'm a huge fan. I think her workers wonderful think she's great. I have a soft spot in my heart because she was one of the early big time writers who came on the podcast when you know the pa our podcast was nothing and so i just have a lot of reasons to have a respect and affection ramey and you know she's she's an adorable gal as are you and and she was telling me like people say all this horrible stuff online and do do like i never thought about that when you're digitally public person as a as a woman so what what what tell me about that. What do you wanna <hes>. I it's interesting so i guess lots of gifts. <hes> random gifts like face wash where i i hope this works really well on your skin again and then we're interesting things about me putting things on my face. I assume you don't put that shit on your face so it's just it's just an interesting side note or emails or we'd got anyway. It's just an interesting thing and i don't think i've been in a mastermind group like pat flynn shawn stevenson. It's in an i'm talking to them. I'm like so what is it like for. You and they're like we not get any of that so i need to chat with amy because there's not i just don't have a lot of female entrepreneurs in the space that really they either they either mostly catered to women's most of my audiences men and so typically i'm assuming and i don't even know but i can't find very many people that are having this big issues on the this side as meeting released none that i know of specifically serve. Anyone knows anyone that i can chat with. That'd be awesome well. Maybe you should talk to me. She'd be great on your podcast to she's a fucking so gracious got a great instagram linked in game and <hes> her and her guy. She's got a new guy on her life now <hes> but she lives on a boat i want to say i'm pretty sure she's in south florida the miami me or if i'm i don't know i drink a lot so give me some leeway but that's got. She definitely has been living on a boat for the last few a years because every time she comes on my podcast she's in this boat yeah. It looks really cool and apparently they're having a really fun time living on the boat but anyway i yeah she'd be a good guest for you. Maybe you could commiserate on you. Know weird things that dude say and do and send you but i like. I don't know why why people would comment on these. You're not that sort of person right if you were like you know if i was like an abso model on instagram racing around i didn't. I don't know what but you're not that you're a professional person was to me. I'd like that's why. I'm very very grateful. I've not instagram model at a bikini. I can only imagine what they're getting right <hes>. I'm grateful that it's not that it's just interesting that i that i didn't think that would be thanked you know and it is it totally italy as an and one of the people in our restaurant used to be a state trooper so i had her go through everything she's like. This is what you should do. Okay great and it's just it's just a new learning in curve that i never thought would be a thing right well. They've never felt weird. When a fan meet you in person the anybody ever tried anything weird or given we we're advisor or is it just digitally salie. Let's say mail you. That's a good question. I mean i love everybody in person so maybe i probably shouldn't. I guess there's a couple that i could probably yeah <hes> so we were talking before about getting divorced and and when i was married it was different. When everybody knew i was single. I got a a lot more. There's a lot more just say that so maybe maybe that's chunks of it and stuff like that too but yeah it was. It was interesting. I think the digital world you just got married to start wearing a ring to get some of these creeps. What's so funny is that a lot of people are not a lot but quite a few people when i changed my name thought i had gotten married. They're like congratulations and i'm like i got divorced. Oh sorry what remind find me what your name was. When i first met your five can't remember now. Everybody jokes about how awesome nine aim is now comparatively the and whether they why would you ever when you got married by whichever switch my last name before was tardy got jokes about being late all the time so jamie tardy but masters masters is your quote unquote maiden name's that always do we still call it that or is there new word for that. I'm supposed to know that. I don't know i don't know either. I guess it's my maiden name. Look like jamie. Masters is like you know. It's the it's the it's the superhero name when you're not in the superhero costume right glasses asses on and by day. You're jamie masters by night. You're whatever i know. I have to figure you get that out there needs to be it's like we had different different different person. We had <hes> the number one electronic like dance d._j. In america on and his stage name is claude von stroke which is an awesome name and that's what he's known as and he sells out these giant festivals and like he's he's huge and billboard magazine said his record label called dirty bird records records is the top independent dance in the guys unbelievable right and his his real name is barkley crenshaw which hereford perfect yeah. That's so clark kentish and i sort of. I sort of thought maybe you should. He got into it more with them. It was like your name already so cool. Why do we need claude von stroke although i like clothes i like both names but i think barclay anyway so that's his how does come up with that. I find that very interesting like how do you come up with your alter ego name. That's cool. Wasn't it back in the day. It's like the name of the street that you grew up in the first name of your first dog or something something that he used to call that your porn star name right yeah. That might be okay but jamie masters stirs is like a it sounds like you. You know a stage name that a hollywood actor actress see 'cause now. Jamie is a male and female name right so i asked rematch match starring next to her even know who's popular anymore like gaga jamie masters in the whatever movie so i like where this is going. This is great well. You're from montreal to so the way that i spell my first name also means. I love in french and so nobody anywhere can spell let which is always fun but jim yes jim. I love asterisk kuku g masters. I have a really awesome name. Ain't nobody can spell it but it's also that's all remind me is your u._r._l. Jamie masters calmer eventual millionaire. What's what's your web site called so is so funny i do have both my websites eventually millionaire dot com. I owned master's that come also and we're actually building more of the personal brand but i'm i'm trying to you. Get the incorrect spelling. Is everybody feels any wrong everybody. If my first grade teacher made me spell it wrong because he thought i was lying so i put what an extra eye or <hes> you know. I'm dyslexic so you got to explain this. We'll see you might spell right now so normally it's spelled j. a. m. e. okay regular people and not spelt like that and then what do minh is there a difference between men and women. Jamie spellings are known million so even like this book that i just somebody a signed over to me spelt my name wrong but she smoked at j. I m e yes. There's just like a million spellings of the name so i just have to buy a million. Oh you are else or people can google it maybe to buy one of those who do book signings like unless the person's name is like bob or mary where i'm like. One hundred percent sure i say listen. I'm dyslexic and i don't pay much attention so just tell me how do you spell here. That's awesome awesome sign. Somebody's book and misspell their name right. Now we wanna i. I wanna get their name right well. I i learned my lessons over this long that i don't care as much as i used to but yeah that i'm hypersensitive to how i how other people's names are spelled now and i on purpose. Try and get it right right as best i can so maybe maybe help me understand because i'm fascinated by this. You had a you had a budding career podcasting coaching all your stuff with tardy and right around it wasn't you. I met you right after you switch back into masters but tardy of course even though i couldn't remember it at the time it was your brand and you were a tremendous business and they were known as such then at you know you can tell me whatever age if you like my father says you should never ask a lady her age but <hes> but you know fairly advanced in career you went whoops up not married to that guy anymore and jamie masters and essentially you're rebranding yourself from business point of view. That's what's going on and so tell me a little bit about that. Yeah i went back and forth for a long period of time because even just going on stage people would be like what do i call you because the people waiting to see me know me as jamie tardy so they don't want to introduce me as jamie masters so they'd kind of do they'd be like well. Let's just introduce you jamie tardif ready this time and i'm like okay but it's not really right so it was this whole back and forth <hes> on what do i do. I was actually thinking about keeping jamie. Tardy has sort of my online online brand and then having masters. Just be the the meat part but everybody kept telling me. The name was just so much better. I don't like it is it's powder. I know so so <hes> the way that i did it was not as strategic as i really should have now. A bunch of people have come to me asking me like what i did and i and i know what not to do at least now because one of <hes> my friends was like oh. We'll come just change on facebook. It's not a big deal and i was like yeah you're right. I'll just change them on facebook. It'll take me two seconds. <hes> i have been divorced for almost two years though so already and me and him we're good friends i even when i came out with a divorce video where i told people like i was getting divorced and i was like i should have him in it so that way white people don't think it's weird. We have christmases together thanksgiving together. He's super cool that being said i was like so i'm switching my name so everybody knows so i switched on facebook and everybody was like what happened and i totally didn't even think how apparently big deal that would be so again. Some people were like congratulations. You must have got married and other people didn't even know i had kids really it was just interesting and then other people are like oh no what happened right and so because it made such a big splash lash and i think i had so many people that were email asking me like what happened that i felt like i was like okay well. I'm going to have to put out a video and and do some of this finally scared like i remember it. Dan miller is the forward of my book and i remember being like is he gonna get upset. I got divorced rag. I was so thinking about everybody elsom what they were thinking about this because it was so that's not what you do or that's not how i was raised right like you're in it forever <hes> anyway so oh long story short. It was one of those things where i decided looking out when i'm sixty or seventy which which person do i want to be which brand do i wanna be building of my life and so even short term pain in the butt i mean my book still says the last name is widely like ma <unk> painted the <unk> right so it is what it is and and it's been quite a few years i was thirty two when i got divorced technically thirty one and so it's been thankfully quite a few years now. People like you can't remember my previous last name which is great but i still i still it's a pain in the still. Sometimes people don't know what to call me even five years later yeah. It is an interesting glenn of course this is another example something that men don't have to think and the weirdest one of all in this regard <hes> there was a couple that <hes> mm dear friends with i shouldn't out them so i won't use their real names but <hes> they're both on their second marriage so they're each other second spouses and and the gal got married barely early in her career took her first husband's last name will just call it johnson and so she's she's in. This is not her real first name but she's debbie johnson right so debbie johnson mary's jim smith not not israel but now here's the crazy thing she made the opposite decision you made because when she got divorced she was in her late thirties. If i remember right and so in business she was known as debbie johnson and that was her you know linked in brand her network and you know this shit matters right and people try to find you and whatever whatever whatever and she's a very successful cow but she sure she's known as debbie johnson so she marries jimmy smith so here's the crazy part and as a as a married man i understand this. My wife legally changed her name but she uses her family name her maiden name all the time 'cause same thing right <hes> so most people still know her is that name so and that's costantino so i get used to being called mr costantino right well. Here's the problem for jimmy smith's yes he gets called mister johnson which is new life ex husband's fucking name and it happens all the time amino she'll book the hotel reservation the dinner reservation and oh well mr johnson and he's fucking not johnson he smith and so like it's one thing when you get it called your wife's name which is fine. I think it's nice. I love her family. I don i don't give a shit right <hes> <hes> and that's fine but i don't want to be referred to as my wife's ex husband's name second buttercup and what are you going to do with these weird things things in life you have any advice for women who go through this situation and what you would you learn from it well. Let's it's funny because i've literally had friends go. Hey can you talk to this person. They have a couple of questions so to me. The biggest thing is going. What are you want long-term right so if you can you can really pick it out thirty forty forty fifty years. What makes it easier in the long run. Then who do you want to be known as because nowadays we can do whatever we want. The the the weirdness of alter egos is actually way more accepted like talking about <hes> than than ever before thank goodness you can be a person on instagram that has sort of a weirdo like eventually. Here's my thing and people know me as that right but it could be something else later. There's different brands so i think people are much better at getting used to changes <hes> we which is great but the complexity city that can happen before when you're in it sucks so if you can sort of remove yourself from the in it right now pain in the butt of trying to get the name of your book kind of thing and pre-planning way in advance. It's a little easier to pull out the weeds. Especially i mean i'd ask questions like you want to get married again. Are you going to change your name if you do right and that's what she was saying i do wanna get married but i'm not sure i wanna change binding because who knows what his last name is like exactly right so we have to deal with a whole bunch of weirdo little things that anyway i mean even stanage building building any sort of personal branding getting married anytime changing. Your name is a big deal a lot more of a big deal before i changed my last name because i knew how much it would mean to my former husband and and his family even though masters is much cooler last night just saying my kids last name is tarnished because you sell masterminded shit and stuff right. Everyone's like genius totally did that on purpose get married again. No not change so okay so i. I don't think i ever changing my immigrants such a pain in the butt. Even just the paperwork that you have to put in for my passport. I couldn't even for my passport. I was travelling so much one of the reasons why it took me so long for the actual name change. I went to the philippines. I spoke <hes> there. I went to bali spoke in thailand and i had so many events and i couldn't even when i tried to fast track my passport. I wasn't gonna. I was afraid i was going to get back in time so i had to read a ridiculously long period of time and then do all the name change thing all at once and now the nitty gritty that nobody cares out but not not again jamie masters. We're done guided guy better understand. I'm a brand now. We're not we did this once. We're not doing it again exactly right so i really they wanted to take your pulse about entrepreneurship and solo partnership and your your world of of sort of independent one person or small kana ana entrepreneurs up particularly given that <hes> you know we're at time where the wall street journal has declared a crisis in entrepreneurship and <hes> we are just read this recently <hes> we are less than half of the new business starts that we were in the nineteen seventies days and so there's just this crisis of entrepreneurship but yet at the same time particularly for solo preneurs or independent entrepreneurs or you. Tell me how you want to think about them. I lovingly refer to move this small entrepreneurs <hes> that there's never been a better time the technology <hes> we can run a pretty substantive into business that does pretty meaningful revenue as one or two people and we can outsource shit and find people around the world and kickstarter this and you he you know all these five or that and you know all these things right that make it possible you know you and i both run you know little media empires <hes> with a group of people around us but you know you're a one woman show plus plus plus and so it's a fascinating time to be an entrepreneur and yet we see this huge decline and i'm just i'm just curious to get your read on. Where do you think we dan particularly with the kinda a solo type entrepreneurs you preneurs or you tell me how you think about them all right so <hes> soapbox moment so i i'm all in for entrepreneurs in general and i also so came from offline business back in the day so i've been a business coach for ten eleven twelve my son's twelve now so twelve years and looking at the amount of startup costs and stuff like that some of those blue collar like landscape companies and stuff like that needed beforehand insane how easy it is now <hes> so to me. I'm not sure that it is such an issue of not starting. I think it's an issue of where we are a belief wise right but i also think that's changing because if we look at the future of technology where jobs are going right now. We're like in a little bubble hoping that all the jobs are going to be fine in soon enough. We're gonna realize that it's not right. Robots are going to be replacing us quite soon so so. I have a feeling that that's going to become even bigger bigger bigger especially with college and the price of college and how crazy it is. There's going to be a lot lot more online learning. I hope i have huge hope that younger generations i mean my kids go to entrepreneur kids school and the amount of things they learn. Oh my gosh they're brilliant. They're they surpassed me at twelve. It's your son's twelve and my daughter's your daughter's ten yeah and komo entrepreneur school. Oh my gosh amazing. Yes what do you do when your ten and twelve years old at entrepreneur school so let me give you the roundups of how how i wished to grow up ranks so there's there's no homework. There is no grades. They don't have teachers. They have guides so the guides can guide them but they're they're not allowed to give them answers. They have to figure it out themselves. They have no desks the number one goal of their schools that kids love school so what they're doing is. They're teaching them. <hes> the core skills kinda stuff more of an gamified way so that way they're doing actually online the gamification in so that we don't have to wait wait for the other kids to sort of catch up so they're learning times faster also which is another thing that the school wants and then they learn life skills so my son has actually video edited for my clients and and done better than my editor. That's with me for eight years. My client picked his by twelve year olds over my video editor which was really impressed with. I just want to figure i get this yeah. Well of your old son. Yes kicking and videos. Big part of your business is kicking your professional video editor. Who you you pay money to. He's unreliable though and that's the problem doesn't always show up on time right well. He started a business this week week this past week so because it summer he started a pressure washing business so he started going door to door. He knocked on tours and i was like let me help you knock on doors. He's like mom cool like i didn't even eat me. My daughter needed me we've done we sold rosemary door to door with her but he went to second house. The woman got dave him eighty five dollars. There's in three and a half hours mid eighty five bucks. He's like i'm. I'm like if you what's he pressure washing driveways wow and he has some little will some pressure washing device that you help them. I don't even really not <unk> these great so i mean so to me the accessibility i started looking at tons of youtube videos on pressure washer and how to do it effectively and efficiently and how to make flyers. He has had a fire with me right now. He was printing out a bazillion flyers wires. He hung them up everywhere like the amount of information that he has in the seventies eighties nineties. We had none of this stuff so to me that the gap or the speed of implementation of somebody that is trying to learn a new business even though we definitely have information overload. Don't get me wrong. It's just it's just just gonna short nut gap if they're willing to push themselves out of their comfort zone and so to me the best thing about the school is that it's about grit and pushing out of your comfort zone and teaching that at a young age teaching memorization which is huge and something that i can't totally <hes> teach from me because they're like really don't. They don't like my business advice vice. They're like the schools businesses by that. They get frame. 'cause i'm just mom and so actually let me tell a quick story so there's levels in the school womb and m._s._n. Level two level three is like the more high schooler cool kids right and so one of the guys. That is the level three teacher that my son looks up to. It's my son's. I'm creating a movie also writing a script and doing a whole movie thing and the teacher from l. Three comes over and we were chatting about podcast for some reason that i was like oh yeah i have a podcast. She's like you do. What is it like eventual millionaire he goes. I thought that was you. I've been listening to your show for the last four years like every single day and my son sitting there and i'm like see i'm cool. You guys see you finally cool right so they're going to bring me into podcasting acting class which would be which will be really fun but it's so son doesn't think i'm cool not in a million years. You had to have a teacher. Actually think that i'm coma for i am actually cool so the having somebody outside of yourself as a parent is is invaluable to be able to give the kids more of a baseline of what they need so i have hope for the future that it is going to be a lot better. I think these schools are going to be a lot more widespread in austin. They're going crazy <hes> which is awesome and i'm just crossing my fingers that that's that's the future that we're looking towards the grim. You know teachers stage <hes> downfall that we might look at. I just love this story so much it. It drives me nuts that we don't teach entrepreneurship. I it's not not that. It's right for everybody but even if you don't it's like look. I learned to play the saxophone. I don't play the fucking saxophone aksa phone. I didn't play it for that long. I'm not a professional saxophone player. I i lost interest fairly quickly. We learn these things in school. We try things and even if you're not going to be an entrepreneur learning to take responsibility learning to be creative learning to generate revenue and income for yourself herself right. I love that you know. I'm reminded of the corollary to that. I won't say who because it's not nice but there was a younger person in my life you know i'm i'm i'm either <hes> by marriage blood or or or quote unquote adoption uncle too many children who call me on christopher and one of them who sort of i roughly fourteen inch thirteen fourteen sort of his bitching to me about that they want. I don't know what it was an ipad or whatever it is and their mother wasn't getting get for them and i said well once you get a job or i'm too young to get a job job uncle chris. I'm like all right well. Why don't you guanxi do something entrepreneurial. They're like well like what like i said. I don't know mow lawns. Find something you can do in the neighborhood. Knock on doors and say hey. Do you want me to mow your your lawn or i don't know what and if you wanna sit down and brainstorm things you might want to do. I'm having to do anyway. I'm trying to have this conversation with this child and they are literally looking at me like i grew a third i would you want me to what and then you want me to do. I doing any of that shit. I just want to bitch about the ipad. Hopefully the universal slapped him or her at one point so therefore they'll learn their less. I mean i can't same thing when i when i got in college. I wanted everything that my parents had so. I bought my first house when i was nineteen. That's what you do two bedroom three bedroom cape super cute with the white picket fence. I bought two cars because that's loans because that's what you need to. I needed a full-time job so i could pay for all this stuff. I got seventy thousand dollars in debt and learned my lesson that i had to keep a job. I hated needed because i spent way too much money because i want to be like my parents. Even though they took their entire lives to be able to afford what they did because they didn't have a lot of money so <hes> slap in the face when i was younger of where i sort of resulted because of all those things that i thought i could have at such a young age right so i don't wanna slap the muscle the arrogance out of the kids right but i don't wanna slab slap though what they think is a good pass because those are learning lessons that they i need to learn also right so i learned my lesson the hard way and i'm stubborn so i had to learn it that way. Otherwise someone telling me wouldn't have wouldn't have done it. Do you know what i mean. I am unfortunately my children are like that too which for better for worse this is going to be interesting when they're older <hes> but to me the learning lessons that we we have to go after now. It's it's all progress even if you learn even if you have to be thirty by the tanking something's been so i mean you know i'm not perfect. Either i specially now. Well all your fans that you're right so perfect. So what are the big things you know. What are the big things that are on the minds of these smaller business owners that you're coaching and one of the big barriers. What are the big challenges. What are the things that you're helping them. I'm get through one of their concerns to take me a little bit into your world and into their world perfect so <hes> a lot and we work a lot with somewhat solar printers most of the people we work with six and seven figure guys so n._t. Melts don't get me wrong but when we're looking at what they actually have a lot of times we got our blinders on sort of just looking at our own stuff right so a lot of it is teams. Do i build a team. Can i build a team. Is it going to cause more chaos to build a team. Who do i even higher like these are skill sets. They are turner's aren't taught so so one of the reasons why it's hard to go from solar printer to something else is because they don't know how i didn't know how right and so it's a whole skill set. Some people go to school leilani who you've got a chance to meet in the interaction. She has a degree in h._r. And business i do not have a degree in business and yet i made business coach so so when we're looking at how long people can go to school for certain things it's insane and yeh entrepeneurship expect so much out of ourselves like we can hit nail it out of the gate. Which i know is not correct because there's lots of people that i've had to help people fire which sucks and it's just because we're learning. We're trying to figure that stuff out so to me. One of the biggest things so you can really do is evaluate where you are become completely honest with where that is so. I like to do when i work with. Entrepreneurs is really get a lay of the land diagnosed diagnosed with the top level problems are that they have a lot of them are very <hes> owner focused right. We are definitely not perfect as owners and and sometimes you don't even realize how crappy the boss we are manager. We are or whatever it is. We look at them and we go oh. Why does my employees suck right. What is this right. I'm really trying to pull apart the pieces of what their awareness is and what it sort of diagnostics that i can do on like what they're actually doing and if they have a teen mm-hmm evaluating their team because it might be a might be an owner issue in my team issue trying to pull apart pieces so we know what's going on at having an objective active you to look into it because anybody that's sort of in it is to in it right. It's hard for them to see the forest for the trees so we have a chance to get a lay of the land and a lot of times the skill sets that unappreciated don't have yet and they have to put a lot of focus and effort if it's hiring if it's actually being a good manager if if it's doing operations or hiring someone talk relations it's trying to figure out all this pieces but because they're separate skill sets and we just assumed we should get okay and good at it so we try it and we suck and then we he stressed out because we have micromanaging our team and then we feel crappy and then you think it's just the team part not the fact that you hired incorrectly and suck as being a boss like there's there's just a million potential issues on the growth side. Let alone the sales and marketing and that kind of stuff so i mean the fact that we're business owners and dealing dealing with as much as we deal with is really really impressive and i don't think people pat themselves on the back enough either. They have really high expectations because we have wonderful interview shows but i love how yours is very real but a lot of people even on my show. They're like oh. It was great. It was hard for a while you know and i figured it out right so we gloss over all the shit that people go through isn't that what the wright brothers said about the airplane it was hard for a while and then we figured it out and now some the chargers on the time this straight and i know even even an amazing six and seven figure businesses people want to go crawl in a corner and be like i'm done right because the nature businesses it's kind of insane and pushing yourself constantly on a personal evolution side of things is also insane especially if you have a family in other other commitments and so it's it's also this human drive for moral the time right like you think okay well. I if i go back to <hes> <hes> closed on stroke stroke. He spent ten or twelve years trying to make it as a d._j. Doing all sorts of shit jobs right and he said to who's telling me he said about many different girlfriends girlfriends he would say to the how hard can it be to make forty grand a year as a d._j. Right and it took him twelve years to sort of get to that place now now. He's got an empire and a record label and he does all these and i don't know what is his revenue is but like it's funny how you can be at that place where i was like. I just wanna make forty grand a year as a d._j. And then all of a sudden you're like fuck. We're only on track to do fifteen million this year. We should be doing twenty five. This is bullshit right or in silicon valley valley. It's like well. You need to be if you're an early stage company. That's in market. You needed to be growing at three xy year or you're not even growing right and so there's just all these it's always push push push push push and it's hard to remember it's like hey you know what fifteen years ago you would have been stoked absolutely stoked to make forty grand years at d._j. And now you're trying to figure out like wire record. Label isn't like doing twenty billion dollar. I you understand turns saying we're all he's now. Aren't we so okay so after interviewing almost five hundred millionaires the hard thing is is that it's like an innate need. I remember when i was eight. I was like my mantras progress when i was eight which who the heck cares about that stuff but it's like this innate thing where we just want to do better and more and more and more and more we're and we're gonna preconditioned like this is humans especially with materialism and all that fun stuff right now i don't but i find some of my favorite work and the work that i've done because personally i was all about more more more more until i realized oh you killing yourself to get more is stupid right starting to meditate and really starting to pull back and really understanding what actually brings you joy versus what what brings you achievement right and when they were so intertwined especially for somebody who's an overachiever like me. They're so so intertwined that i couldn't pull them apart. I was like i but when i achieved things i feel good so now i'm i've been on yahoo homepage six times and now i've done this now. I've done this and now everybody. Everybody knows my name and that's great but none of that stuff actually matters and so when you start to have sort of some of that success you want more. Don't get me wrong. They're always wants to be more ice still like progress but it's to me more mitigating my own brain and knowing myself better to be able to manage it so it's not just about the external influence of i now feel better because the condition looks better outside. It's the i feel better because i can mitigate my own craziness like as an entrepreneur. We have not so brains seriously and a lot of the people i interview have a._d._d. You have dyslexia tons of a._d._h._d. To all that stuff. I have a whole bunch of it. I put it together. Jamie and i call it this fuck leah own it. You're going to do so to me knowing in yourself. Really really well is the best thing about entrepreneurship. Even though it's shitty super shitty to be like note that note a second note that's not good either right. There's just a million million holes that it opens up but thankfully the the holes to fill it or not achievement and materialism which you'll find out if you get long enough in the game right after interviewing somebody they call it the million myth or whatever it is right. You're trying to fill all those holes of issues that you have of not being good enough and with stuff and that way. It'll don't make you feel better. We'll that doesn't actually work either so either way trying to figure out yourself and mitigating. You're on brain to me is one of the best things of being on this planet even now it's weird in there. Sometimes i'm fascinated by dichotomies and i'm also fascinated by <hes> intrinsic versus mrs extrinsic motivation right and the weird trait in their some magic line right and so you know i think about it from a podcasting point the view. It's like well my motivation to do this was to have amazing conversations with amazing people most of whom the vast majority of whom would not sit down and to have a conversation with me without the podcast right. Jamie masters is in talking to me. Just cuz. Neither is four star general stanley mcchrystal right <unk> but then of course you get in the game and as a entrepreneur as a marketing guy as a competitive personnel and you're like okay well. How are we doing and how many downloads do we have and and edited it out and <hes> and then then you realize it's not about that. It's actually about the conversations and then i didn't know this coming in. You've known this for a long time. Interaction with the people who listen is actually a huge joy. I i did not know that right but then you know this happened to us recently if view it said to me in the beginning hey you're going to be a top two hundred business podcast. I would have said that is absolutely are. I don't know if we can achieve it but that's the dream right. That's the big hairy audacious goal that's the dream and recently i load up twitter and facebook and there's kevin miller from ziegler and there's jason defillo bo from from harbinger and they're both essentially saying the same thing which is hey dude. You have the fifty three podcast on chargeable right now overall what holy fuck there seven hundred two thousand podcasts and we it fifty three and for a moment we were out charting oprah and it was like wow right but but what happened after that was i rea- stoked and you know there's about twelve people who helped me with this podcast in one way or another and like it's lots of the celebrations and beers and cheering and it feels great. I mean you know what i'm not telling you anything. You don't know but interestingly enough on one hand. It's great to like massively over achieve a goal and holy shit seven hundred thousand podcast fifty three. I don't even know what that math is. On a percentage basis. This is like dream. The impossible will dream shit that just happened to us and so there's this moment of complete rolling in it and loving it and and celebrating it and all that and then you know what the next morning you wake up but on the coffee atta poop and just kind of get back to your life and so there's this fascinating dichotomy where on one hand dan it's not about the results because the intrinsic things are are way more powerful but yet at the same time i have found around that i can be more intrinsically satisfied when i know i've produce some extra stuff whether it's financially or you know the podcast outcome or something good happens with one of my books or whatever it is and so we had kerri walsh on kerri walsh jennings <hes> and and she seems so intrinsically motivated to me but then she said she gave me she said but make no mistake. I'm going to tokyo because in brazil. I got a bronze and when lululemon sends me the sponsorship checks i cash them and so i've been just grappling with this thing ever this idea of sort of the balance of intrinsic and extra zik and it's just a f- i'm forever fascinated so this is leading me to something which is how do you think about sort of this balance or this idea of intrinsic and extrinsic motivation great fashion. Okay okay so a couple of things that i would highlight based on what you had to say though too because the as entrepreneurs we don't celebrate enough typically so go you for celebrating and all that fun stuff but when you actually think of the the i lean more towards buddhism in sort of the middle way right so if we look at we can't actually say that failure. Is that big of a deal right. We're like okay. It's just learning everything's gray failures. These issues aren't that bad right if we can do say that to that that also means that the exciting crazy amazing stuff also also it doesn't matter right and so but when you look at both of those like oh well that sucks 'cause i really only want the good stuff but i don't want the bad stuff but when but when you're looking at it either they're all the same right or not and so i personally think because i am not perfect in any way shape or form but i feel like it's this ever revolving flow of trying to figure out where we're at and be very cognizant wear during that moment again. I'm working on this. I'm not saying i'm actually ah hence the reason why i need to meditate all the time <hes> but but when we look at the difference between it it's like what is driving that right. I think extrinsic is also also amazing because we are only here on this earth for so long and i want to experience the things right. I don't want to cause myself chaos for not achieving all those things though right so on both sides of the coin i can be excited but that excitement just makes the the the shitty nece he'll even more real so the contrast between the two do right the shadiness can start to go a little crazy so we sort of bring it down to the middle way. I feel like it's a little bit better to me. I like both sides of the coin. I just wanna know which side of the coin on so. I don't blow it out of proportion. Does that make sense. Yes i also think having thought a lot about this in having thought about it again and recently it's the noise in my head gets quieter and therefore i can focus more on the intrinsic joy of whatever the thing is when they're some extra <unk> validation should that's just the truth that if that makes me shallow than that gallo but why why is that because i think well i think we're as human beings driven driven to achieve and we're driven to push ourselves and not everything you know are just say when i go hik- i'm not trying to like hike this trail the fastest vastest of anybody right. I want to enjoy a nice hike so their mindsets around different activities that we do but if we for many of us particularly those of us who are entrepreneurial if we're doing something that has some kind of competitive bent to it sort of can't help ourselves and there were times in my life where i totally embrace that and there were times in my life where i tried to resist that trying to say i should be more intrinsic than extra but here's the truth i can. I can be more intrinsic with some extra scooby snacks along the way right. Not i don't always need it. You know like surfing is the thing that i do that has no <hes> extra value every once in a while. One of my buddies say hey man you know. You're looking like your servants pretty good. That's the closest thing to extrinsic validation. I get with surfing. That's awesome. Nobody ever says is good wave to me. I'm i'm just not an impressive surfer right so it's mostly extra <unk> but even mostly intrinsic but even with that when you do serve a good way of and you're out there with your friends and one of them says hey ya gos- on that wave that validation does make the internal joy. Come up a little bit and look i would be less than candidate. I didn't say look i i had not. I didn't have a chargeable account. I i don't look at our number. I stopped doing that a long time ago. I look at it. Maybe once every couple of months with <hes> j._r. producer but it's not like an 'cause. It's no who gives a fuck up. You're never going to feel good about it right. You're it's either not enough or there's just a dumb and it's also not something. I want to get my brain that focused on that sad. I'd be less than candid. If i didn't say holy shit you know once i found this out that we had broken the top two hundred and that at least for a day or two or trending above oprah the question okay intrinsically. I did because of that extra validation. It's just true okay so many questions freight so so one you said at the very beginning of all of that is that your brain can actually turn off easier when you're in that competition type mode. You feel like you can actually actually let your brain. Your brain will relax a little bit more. That's what you said right yeah and also when there's been some success when you're poor i i grew up with not a lot of money. There's a lot of noise in your head about money so i that's my point when you when you achieve some financial freedom all of a sudden that noise goes away and then you realize okay well. Let's not really about money but then you made some money and you don't have to worry about finances anymore and so you're you're a little full of shit. I'm speaking about myself and so and so it's just this dance of when you don't have the results in your life that you that you want. You're nutty about it. At least i can be and you want those extra zik results to occur and the things that come with it but then when you achieve those things you realize you gotta get up tomorrow morning and poop and get back to business and you sort of it was great. I don't take anything away from any of those wonderful things i've been associated with but but then you you get back on with your life but having not had put some of that moose on the hood the noise in my head would have been a lot louder and so i don't know there's this weird thing going on for me. Which is the extra zik increases the intrinsic a lot like a little extras it gives you know one on xtra connects intrinsic is you don't like when the yogi i wanna pull this apart a little bit because one of the things that you said which i found very interesting was sort of the competitive nature but i'm wondering if the extrinsic validation is popping into flow easier or making it so that you can actually get in more of a meditative state where your brain really isn't that constant. You're not good enough because you've got the extra flow state. Does that make sense so when you say you can do surfing urine flow so i'm wondering if your brain can sort of be more present in the moment when you do have extrinsic validation because you can go. I'm good in for a little while my heads above water. I'm okay right and then and then you go back to the real world. Which is your internal chaos brain. I'm wondering if there's there's a a like i can decide. I think that's a very very powerful inside jamie because like i know where i am is a surfer like like but at the same time feeling like i've achieved a level of i dunno competence. Yes means that when i'm surfing my home break i can handle any size way. That comes comes through so i can surf a double overhead wave no problem i can deal with the crowd <hes> most of the time even if it's crowded if i wanna go surf i'm not going to let the crowd bother me which is for me was a big step is a surfer and so so when you get to a place where for yourself off in your own opinion of yourself and what you quote unquote think you should be capable of when you get to some level of success mastery ability each competence i wouldn't have achieved mastery serving but i'm a competent intermediate longboard surfer and i'm good with that right and and and then like as a podcast hey two and a half years in holy fuck. I'm beyond good now like whatever whatever noise i might have had at some other point in time about you know there should be bigger faster. Whatever question that just say now because what you said which was very very interesting so when you you said beforehand oh i am externally motivated especially when it comes to the be hag or whatever like oh yeah. I know it's for away. We'll see where it is right but then but then you said while the celebration when you hit it was absolutely amazing. You stop looking at the numbers on purpose. So why did you stop looking at the the numbers on purpose beforehand. Did it make you shittier. I think there's probably a little part of that because whenever you are not where you think you should be but but at the same time i also realized that <hes> i was having a ton of success as a podcast or primarily because because a i got to have these incredible conversations and be there are people who give a shit and that value it and then the combination of those things are incredible right and we all compare ourselves and if i step back and compare myself against most podcasters well fuck in a i mean this is going to sound terrible but i smoked most podcasters along time ago right but but then you go oh well fuck in you know cereal is doing twenty billion download the second or whatever right and could government funded n._p._r. Is killing it all of us in every category and like you know what that atwill as right or adam corolla or whatever or marc maron or whoever you know whatever you want jamie masters emasculate me or whatever right and so stupid sort of comparison thing but i guess my point though is i think if if we can get to a level where were enjoying join it so the the extrinsic is high and there's enough intrinsic that tells us that we're on a good path that the world is responding bonding in some way <hes> then i think we're good and and that that that extra zik then stokes <hes> <music> the intrinsic at least for me right when a buddy of mine says hey looking pretty good on the board you know i feel better about going surfing or when a good positive external nothing happens in your business or whatever part of your life or even look frankly <hes> when you go to dinner you know <hes> and in my case your wife says you look handsome tonight honey right or or i say to her. You look beautiful tonight. Baby right like we. We like to hear those things. Is your love language words affirmation by any chance. What do you mean by words evaporation. Have you ever taken the love languages because i have no idea what we're talking about. Even there it might have been more scotch moor scott so so there's a great book called the five love languages by gary chapman and it's mostly about relationships. It's about how you receive love right and how what you actually value so there's five of them. One of them is called words of affirmation. The reason why i'm asking you that is because each person is a little bit different france so because i work with so many different clients really cool to see the way that you're saying stuff is totally different than what some entrepreneurs would say as far as intrinsic extra but i think it's just because we're different different humans right. We have different makeup and so the reason why i asked you though because it sounds like you get a lotta validation through words. Which some people do i do. I'm words <unk> person so i i like being told i'm pretty just so. We're clear nana creepy way in letters but otherwise yes right so so to me. It's how we receive in actuated leaguers collage of kill you pretty somebody sent me screen shots. I make so many facial beard faces all the time in somebody. Somebody sent me screen shots of all the different faces that i've had this is james pirate face. All sorts of it's been interesting that was creepy. It's funny and then it got creeping now so so but being able to understand how you actually internal stuff and how you receive something to i need. That's what matters most in a lot of interviews that i have done. One of the biggest things for me is how they know themselves so when you look at whether success or a perfect perfect marriage but an amazing marriage or whatever those things are it's us knowing ourselves better than anybody else and keep continuing knowing yourselves l. So you know what feeds you so. The fact that you're asking that question i think is absolutely amazing. Most people don't even get that far right but i think that that ratio is skewed depending on the person and how they received things because like you said some people are completely intrinsically motivated and and in that case maybe they just paint and they paint for themselves and that makes them happy and that's okay okay but then knowing what the ratio should be for them that keeps them on the cycle of of mostly happy or joy. That's what we're looking for excu of of unhappiness that we're trying to figure out for ourselves because it is different for every person my opinion anyway big signals that i look for both for myself and for others are really at a super high level pretty simple. <hes> am i having fun right. Am i enjoying wing. Whatever this is whether it's hanging out with jamie or own for a walk or a serf or working on something with a with one of the companies involved with or whatever it is right <hes> mm-hmm and then i what's on my mind is say knowing that i made a difference. No my own self judgment is that i did something of value and look somebody else says that right and so <hes> it's nice when your spouse says you look good. We all wanna look what our best i'm. I like it better when you know she says. I'm really having a great time with you will because i i wanna have a good time and i particularly want to have a good time with her right and i want to have a good time well. Yes fucking married her because i liked her. I didn't marry her because i didn't want to spend time with her right and it's like it's making a difference is that way. Is that what you're saying. I think having fun and making the difference can go together that they don't always <hes> but i think if you're having fun with somebody else by definition. You're making a difference to them and yourself when you just having fun. Maybe you're making making difference for yourself. Which i think is totally fucking valid <hes> but i also do like to feel like i'm making taking some kind of contribution in the world. Whether it's a simple contribution where you know four of us went out to dinner last night and we had a great laugh and it was really fun and we shared some stories about life and that was that could be one thing or it could be doing something for a charity or it could be. You know some awesome email. I got from a listener or whatever the fuck it is is but but i think we all wanna feel like we are important to somebody in that that what we do make some kind of contribution i that to me is a huge aged driver and it seems like again. I only have my own experience but it's a fairly <hes> human one particularly if from maslow's hierarchy of needs perspective you know you're not worried about about like lion trying to eat you or where the next meal you know you sort of got the basic hierarchy of needs mostly handled you do at least i think most people naturally look outward to m. I a good person in the world a good neighbor of my charitable giving etc now definitely we are those all weighted differently though the differences that you make do you weight them differently in your in your mind the person of whether it be a charitable contribution or something else is it weighted differently or is all count on his part of the same. That's interesting. I think as a younger person jamie i probably did weight them differently <hes> and there is it's hard to deny you know things that make a difference at scale so if you look you know an extreme example would be what bill gates and melinda the gates are doing with the gates foundation right. They are making a giant difference at a massive scale right and there's value to making a difference at at a massive scale that that it is worthy of underscoring for sure at the same time <hes> i think it gets perfectly great to <hes> be friendly to the guy or gal at the checkout at the grocery store and say hey thanks a really nice chatting with you have a great great day. It's not a profound thing <hes> i. I'm somebody who likes to throw a twenty dollar bill into the tip jar at verve. When i go to get my coffee they may or may not see me do it but i know that somewhere along the line someone who's gonna go. Hey fox. Somebody threw a twenty in here and i feel like i made a difference sheriff. I made somebody smile or whatever and so you know. There's a sliding scale. <hes> and there's probably some worth talking about. Are you making a difference at some kind. Signed the scale for sure but you know we got an email three or four days ago from a listener in saint louis missouri <hes>. I think think i've been to saint louis. Maybe once. I have no real memory of it. Maybe i was at a marriott. I don't know i've been off just got interviewed from saint louis l. introduce you maybe can hang out with him now listen. I think it's a cool place music scene. I wish i knew more about but anyway whatever it's not a place i know and this guy is works in a family business construction business and long story longer. He sends us not essentially what he says is because of your podcast in your book. You've helped really inspire me. I have this idea for a technology company in the construction industry and i'm doing this and i'm doing that and it's going forward and i just wanted wanted to thank you and i read the thing and i said to carry us a you. Don't want if it's been about four years now. Since i started in writing right so my first came out three years ago and then the podcast and then the second book indebtedness so but let's say started this whole thing started for years ago this new part of my life maybe if all of it for last four years was to make this difference to this one guy it that's been worth it to me and so do i love the big numbers and the report from the fucking book guys that say the book selling and then you get these things from amazon. You're like what you know. Somebody just bought fifty cop. You know all these things sure those things at scale matter sir but there's something very very profound when one human being reaches out to you and says hey you know what your shit made a difference to me. Thank you please keep doing it. I'm right there with testimonials are my goal testimonials whether it be clients or people that are impacted that i've never even met before is like insane that we're able to even even provide that much value people that you don't even know which is huge my question to you though because apparently i'm asking you just a whole bunch of questions is does does the after that e mail comes comes through and you're like it was totally where everything was worth it from this one thing the next day you poop you go back to work. You just keep doing this stuff and that still was not quote unquote enough. Even though technically it was yeah. I think i'm at a place now where is not always true of course but for the most part i realized that the reward for doing any pursuit that you choose to pursue when i love martial arts or entrepreneurship or painting or playing guitar or whatever it is the extrinsic validations matter and can fuel us but the truth is the reward for podcasting is that we get to podcast the reward for training martial arts is not achieving a belt or whatever if you're gonna go fight fight winning fight you i know you. I know a lot of fighters and they'll tell you. There's only ever been one opponent. That's ourselves right and so the reward for the thing is is that we get to do the thing and it's easy to say that once you've gotten some results because if you do the thing for an elongated period of time without any results it can cease to feel rewarding according and i have been in place and i'm no i'll be back in the evening is that we know. We're going to be back there. Darn it. Mine is on right now and if we get some level of quote unquote success extrinsic validation i think the aha then becomes the truth is the reward for doing a pursuit that you consider to be a worthy pursuit a worthy investment of your life because that's what it is is that you get to do it. I agree a million times. Well it's to me. It's personal evolution. That's why we're in business. Kids can give hospice there so many different ways that we can get more information about ourselves because like you said we're battling the same only internal or rain all this could be perception anyway who knows if it's real or not rife life so so to me. I did a video the other day because i have a pool right and everything sort of comes in in waves anyway like like you said when we think everything's all sunshine sunshine rose's eventually there's contrast. There's just contrast in this human experience in general so i did a video jokingly about my pool because in the summer months i have to fill it up because because it evaporates too much and then in the winter months it frigging overflows all the time right so i get pissed about it overflowing and i can get pissed that i have to refill the gosh darn thing all the time oregon i enjoy it when replying enjoy how hot an amazing it is on both sides of the coin right so we have the ability to look at whatever we look at and make a choice technically. Even i know a lot of the times it's you know belief in just sort of comes up on our own. You technically have a choice on how you look at something. So what i heard from you which is amazing is your like in my older age. I am now able to look at something and see it completely differently whether it be a one person thing or one hundred million people thing and i can get the the same validation of the same feeling based on that that's amazing and that's what i'm trying to get better at two instead of judging the weighted scale of how much impact i i made or how what i'm doing matters more right versus doing it on a scale of going. You know what is really good. I i can choose to believe however i wanna believe on this and if i can just mitigate that as much as i can and then most of my life is full of joy and a bunch of moments of joy add up to you're really joyful life and that's really what i'm going after but again it's dealing with her own entrepreneurial brain especially with negative self-talk that we are all breaking dishes for fortunately fortunately or unfortunately right love things that we have to get past. It's awesome <hes> but i also love the challenge when i also think we the in the business entrepreneurial world can look at least i do for inspiration outside of it so so for example i have several friends who are nurses and nurses generally particularly. I have to now that are <hes> ahead nurses but of course they grew up not being head nurses and and when you're when you're a i don't know what they call a regular staff nurse whatever you make a difference one patient interaction at a time and sometimes sometimes that's a meaningful one. You do something for a period of time and sometimes you walk in and you say you know mrs masters how you feeling. Do you need anything and you say could did you get a glass of water and the nurse gets you gaza water and that's the engineering action you make a small difference that way or whatever it is but nurses make a difference one interaction at a time. I'm an a lot of those interactions are less. They're not huge. They're smaller things for some of them are bigger things but but what i realized from some of my nurse friends is that that that's why they could do it and so they're not necessarily as an individual trying to make it. They're not trying to save every patient on the planet because one human being can what is going to go good enough for them what their reward is one person one interaction at a time when you realize that you realize how important that role is i anyway with a more business context head go. I got my head on my fucking ass right because if i can make a difference to one person you know i shouldn't do that as well. At least i made it never burson when when that's the headset it of a legendary nurse like well that should be my headset to and so i find that also comforting. It's all okay because i mean i. I like you said there's only so much time in energy in space and and what's so funny is i've learned a lot about myself that i wanna fix everything in everyone for everyone everyone beforehand which was to the detriment of myself which i've learned that lesson many times over right but even just being able to to find the joy of that exact moment. I feel like what i what i tried to help. Entrepreneurs with as best i can is to understand that this moment is fleeting whether it's beautiful and amazing or really really shitty no matter what it is it is fleeting and so because we can look at it whatever way we want to look at it. The nurse can be happy in one interaction at a time instead of being a nurse that was progress and is only happy if she one hundred patients and then goes home feeling shitty because she didn't had one hundred eighty. She's not playing a volume game. Which which one would you want to be well. Why do we drive ourselves crazy as an entrepreneur oh because sometimes we are or born this way rise right. Sometimes it's like it's like this progress. The competition like you were talking about. There's a lot of pieces that are sort of innate or feels feels like it is or or preprogrammed our childhood right. I was told i wasn't good enough. All the time and i will beat you my older brother. I will do whatever it takes to beat you right which she's very masculine thing apparently not very many females have making him big generalization in this but i i'm very competitive comparatively right and so but it was a gift hated it at the time a gift in that <hes> it makes me push harder. It really is a wonderful gift in so many ways and also frigging sucks in so many other ways because i'm never satisfied. I always want progress like there's all these everybody's got different sides of whatever coined they're working on right and knowing where we are really does make a difference like i was talking about before oh i wouldn't give up my competitive nature because it's made me who i am and and yes external achievements minson amazing things but it's also made me understand more about myself and that it's not about checking the things off the boxes in achieving things because that didn't actually actually make me feel better in the long run the next day you go back to work regardless of how many people saw you or what impact you made every day you just show walk so if we can come to the level of this is life and being in the present moment as much as we can as an owner which is very difficult especially for futurist pre planner. It's like i'm always trying to optimize for something. Hence the reason i need meditates too much makes makes me realize sort of sit back and myself and be like okay. I'm never going to get done. It's never going to be perfect as much as i want it to be right and all i can do the best they can with what i have right now. If that is is get enough and i should technically be happy yes now clearly jamie. I could talk to you for four hundred hours. I wanna be super respectful of your time. A is there anything else you wanna touch on and be. I have one other thing. I wanna say to you before. Don't get me started on something else now. Go ahead. It was a big thing. I just wanted to say to us. Thank you you. I don't know that you you probably don't realize it but <hes> i pretty sure you are the first major podcast awed cast or to take a <hes> to take a flyer on me when there was no evidence that you should and so one of the things i've loved about podcasting is so many podcasters or generous and and and not actually very competitive. I certainly have never felt you. Frankly anybody else but i just want to say to you. Fucking thank you you know you invited me on your show and <hes> gave me a great opportunity. Shortly after my first book came out and were incredibly gracious and generous with me and i've been a huge fan and so i just wanna say i think you're wonderful. I so appreciate that. I really really i. I don't know that i ever would have thought the impact that i could make even on ridiculously amazing humans not just client wise but people i interact with like you like i read your your book and i thought it was phenomenal of course have you on the show. Do you know what i mean to me. It's like a give. Give thank you. I really appreciate all the staff especially being on your show and having random amazing conversation. This and i hope that come back. I don't know what the hell's wrong with me that it took this long for you to come on on my podcast but the hold on we're talking about like i don't know i talked to this gal a lot more often than i do so anyway. Hopefully you'll come. I definitely will come back. This was a joy. Do masters yeah no kidding. You're rockstar. Thank you so much. Thank you have an amazing day. They legendary my friend. I sure hope you enjoyed that conversation with jamie as as much as i do and jamie i wanna thank you again for for joining me for a wonderful conversation now to drive growth in your business. You've got to know your customers and that's through my friends at nets we'd come in. They help you with their number. One cloud a._a._r._p. 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Scoop, Here They Are! Its Tag Team!

The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix

32:21 min | 3 months ago

Scoop, Here They Are! Its Tag Team!

"The new season of fortnight is here. If you play fortnite or know anything about it you'll know that the story line evolves with every season and it's better than ever whether you're playing battle royale daily are hopping in for special events in party. Royale the island changes with every development that gets thrown in us. The island has grown wild. So must you battled with wildlife and craft. Your weapons experienced the zero crisis bonaly in game now and pick up the season six battle pass to run wild across primitive landscapes with lara croft teen titans raven and agent jones go to f n dot gc six. That's f n dot gijon slash season. Six to see at all what up over pod. I'm howard beck. Senior writer for sports illustrated the little breaking news. The crossover pod is expanding. But it's like a minor expansion like adding a game room or breakfast nook. I always wanted to breakfast. Nook with them for the pod more episodes and more guests and not just traditional nba voices. Of course. we'll talk to players and coaches and others around the league but also actors comedians musicians. Basically anyone with a connection to the game or who's just a big fan but it it'll always come back to the nba and this game. We all love. It's gonna be a blast and for fans of my old podcast welcome back. I'm definitely planning to bring back some of our favorite guests. Hopefully including the drunk. With power pod with zach lowe and rachel nichols maybe later this year. You'll still here kris maddox and me. Every tuesday on the crossover with the discussion of all the latest nba news then on fridays. It's me and a guest and it starts today with my guest tag team. Yes the guys who brought us not just whoop there. It is but maybe more importantly scoop there. it is. Why tag team well. Obviously that commercial is in heavy heavy rotation during nba games. Die hard being christmas movie. This is an nba commercial and so many ads that we see a ton during the games are just unbearable. Can't stand watch them over and over but not this one tag team brought such a joy to that spot. It was so much fun. People love that ad. I love it clearly. I tweeted about it and they're pr agency. The martin agency reached out. Sent me a scoop there. It is scoop. And some sprinkles thanks guys and when it came time to start booking guests i immediately thought i gotta get tagged team on their actually huge. Nba fans and the commercial has a subtle. Maybe not so subtle. Nba reference in it and they were just a blast to chat with. We talked about the commercial their career revival and i pitched them an idea that i just hope might get them to the nba finals. We'll see before we get to that. Just want to remind you to subscribe to the crossover. Wherever you get your podcasts give us a rating and review to and you can follow me on twitter at howard beck and hit me with all your feedback there. Okay tag teams coming up next so stick around. This is a crossover An nba show hosted by sports. Illustrated's chris mannix and our bad. It's a whole new level for you and me chris. This relationships can subscribe for the best weekly nba content. These two are capable of. What does that mean could be. The best duo. I don't see how you can beat that. They are chris. Mannix and howard very pleased to be joined now by dc. The brain supreme. And steve rowland you as tag team. You know them as ice cream artistes. In fact guys. i'm. I'm happy now to see you. On zoom. I am every time i see the commercial. Thank you so much for for doing this. You will thank you for having this now. This is this is art before we yes. Yes sprint goes. Yeah school school. That's phenomenal and you know what if you need a bust out with a sprinkles in the midst of the whole thing at any given time far. Be it for me to stop you. I listen. i'm what you ask for even scoop there. It is ice cream. Scoop that the ad agency Sent me here you guys can see so along with sprinkles. They sent sprinkles along with the scope of phenomenal. So guys i this. This ad has brought people so much joy every time it comes on twitter lights up. There are videos out there of kids dancing and families dancing. And it's amazing. I feel like the commercial belongs in some kind of commercial hall of fame the smithsonian somewhere what what is the last three months been like. Did you have any idea when you made it that. It would have this kind of impact on people. You gotta dc. Actually there were each step of the process right. There were clues that let me know that this was going to be huge right already off the rip. I just go back in history to win. Salt and pepper did their geico commercial and they had been on tour ever since until the pandemic right so i knew that it was going to be big and Just preparing for it and try to get you know what we could get out of it. Because i knew we weren't going to be able to do shows because of the pandemic right so it was like what can. How can we get the best out of this commercial and you know i said i tried to get a publicist and nobody knew how to attack this right so i learned how to be a publicist myself and had a press release radio and everything and when i dropped press release i was in a organization called Public relations society of america. And i asked one of these. Ceo's pr foreigners our press releases relevant and she was like yes because the last year's been doom and gloom everybody has used all their content. You can only watch so much netflixing so much Hulu and all those channels because all the content is gone. Everything is doom and gloom about covert and everybody at each other's throats and for you to have a feel good story. This is right on time and right there. I kind of knew that this was going to be extra special. Because it it it was just a shot of good vibes and everybody's arms and transcended everything and from the first day that had dropped on christmas. My phone hasn't stopped buzzing. Ever since so. I i i knew would be big but switching it up and not going traditional route. It became even bigger. Because now we're doing so much. pr. That is unreal. And after twenty eight years people get to put a face with the song and it just is just worked out perfect for us. I couldn't be happy so we give guys with gray hair. Hope hey back me myself. I didn't know it was going to blow up like this man Just like i didn't know there is gonna blow up This all just you know. I love it so you know. I feel blessed. I'm always feeling blessed and always feel. There's something that i do or that i'm involved in is gonna be good but this right here just took me by surprise in love it. I think you hit on really important. Which is that. We all need a time like this like we need any little shot of joy we can get and i think that's so much a part of this. I also think that you know this. This adds obviously been in heavy rotation on on everything but i watch a ton of nba nba reporter. And so i'm seeing it really heavily in their geico's a big nba sponsor but there. So i think there's so few things in this fractured media environment right. Nobody has the same favorite shows anymore. Like when we were all younger. I'm about same generation as you guys we. Everybody watch cheers or watch the cosby show. Everybody watched mash whatever. There's nothing that unites people. Were obviously a very divided country to your your ad. I feel like genuinely is one of the things that like. Everybody can agree on st. There's nobody who doesn't like this commercial and what you guys doing it there. Yeah for one. Like i said just a moment ago We give guys with grey hairs hope so they love us you know kids loved the song people that love. The dance loved to dance Just everything is great when we did the commercial. That would we actually finish the last shot. I thought to myself this is going to be good. It felt good. The whole vibe of everything felt good fell just so good and then when we saw the finished product not the software week man. Couldn't stop watching it. So that was it man. Even you guys can't stop watching it. That's a main man. I tell you some even to this day might see it and get to sprinkles. I still laugh and don't know why i have no idea why that that last little sprinkles so magical and you know because i'm an actor right. You know actor voice artist. And i really prepared for this like i said i want five or six things that i can go to the director with. And you know a hashed out and we had our Wardrobe meeting we had our production meeting. And i had you know i went to the director. I was like i got a couple of ideas and he was like dc. Whatever you wanna do you can do. Uh like and i was like man. I'd been trying to make a spinning scoop in. Couldn't get anybody to fabricate right. And i couldn't figure out how to do it and the director. Will you know. I told the director. I was like but that's okay. We can do the other stuff you'd like not it'll be done tomorrow of like whoa right and then as like there's gotta be tons of sprinkles because i know kids love sprinkles right and how am i going to incorporate the sprinkles. Well i did the salt bay right. And but that didn't work because i had a long know shirt on so sprinkles capstick to my shirt and everywhere man. It was amazed has spring in my ear. sprinkles everywhere right and you know then The lebron james chalk at the scores table is sprinkles. Right as like. That'd be great to do it like that. Then we got a little dance little to step doing actually called the so. We wanted to represent for the southeast. Because that's the southeast dance so all these little nuances and all these little things that we added are the things that made the commercial special plus excellent improv talents of all the other actors right Amethyst and goose. Be and nikki car. They actually didn't even know each other audition for this. And they're all in the same improv troupe. So just a combination of all those things us being up the switch it up and go all day and just giving everything you know giving everything we had and just being happy and showing how much fun we have. Because that's what the tatting concert is light right. You're going to have fun. You're gonna laugh and you're gonna leave satisfied and is amazing because we had a concert monday night and i was like should we should. We tried an attempt to to perform this song. And i've been thinking about all day and we came up with it and we perform scoop there. It is and it is one of the highlights of my career as far as reaction from a crowd and it was funny because it was like encore came out i had a whole is cream os eating ice cream and i was like hitting some. Yeah what am i. Forgetting. what am i forgetting. And they were just like. Oh my god. I can't believe he's gonna. Are they gonna do that. And they started chanting scoop there. It is so loud it was it just was incredible and then we just played it. St pressed was tasha went nuts and saying the song and then i just left. Oprah's life you'll get a car and you get a car was doing sprinkle sprinkles pointing to parts of the crowd. And like i said it's one of the highlights of my career because the energy from that was just incredible. And you know we're getting shows now because everybody's starting to open back up so you know like if you wanna attacking show guarantee is going to be fun you know. We look through pyramid entertainment. Right and what i thought was so incredible about this show. Is that to get over the stigma of having that many people together and the judgment of having that many people together. They gave away kovic shots at the concert. The vaccine yeah they get the vaccine at the concert and it was like whoa and you could hear people saying whom i think i'm gonna go get one right. And it was like having it in the proximity of a good time and a good feeling like that changes people's minds because we were in the heart of florida and you know how florida is right and don't get me florida's wide open. It always has been right. They've always resisted and for them to give out covert shots during that show changed the whole game. So you promote out there. If you want to get back to the way it was make sure you can get with a federal government agency and you do concerts. 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Qr codes or the safe and easy way to get paid in store and they deliver the same security and trust pay pal is known for online in person. Even if you're a cash only business with pay pal. Qr codes you can accept credit or debit with everyday low fees. there's no additional hardware or software needed generate your unique qr code from the paypal app and display it on your device or print it to display in store customer. Scan your code with their pay pal app. You only need your smartphone. Learn more at paypal dot com slash. Us slash get qr code. People us take the stage now. It seems like people are are greeting you with a whole different possible energy right because there's like people again my generation. A lot of people already knew you guys and of course like the song is stuck around the original there. It a stuck around in various forms for years so people wouldn't be familiar but the way that this reenergize it did. You perform both versus. Did you perform. There isn't also scoop there. Okay so wait. I'm curious now because there's only the one verse in the commercial did you. did you have to create more. Is there more ice cream. Wrap for the live version of this. We kept a simple right because we already. We already did a good show right. They're already happy. But that little extra taking my time going out and playing with the audience and letting them react to it and then just building that energy till they heard that offense vanilla rocky road chocolate peanut butter cookie dough whose loot and it was a nanas. And i tell you there's only there's only been maybe four other times in our performances where i felt energy like that in this was one of them and now we're working on. We're working on some things now because it was basically a test right it was basically a less. Just see how this goes and get back into it and we got back into it. And i'm still tired today. My feet hurt voice is gone. You know it just it but it was. It was so gratifying. Because the ability to touch the world through our song is one is one of the greatest honors of my life right and to just see people smile and to see their happiness into see that a transcends race gender all our problems everything we're going through anything negative cuts through all of that and it's just a a a party with friends and we just have a ball and you know our show now is better than it's ever been and it's just incredible to you. Guys are clearly sports fans and of course this. I should note back in the nineties. Won't there. it is became an anthem for the bulls. At time the saints the phillies the braves. I saw reference to where a new york city bowling alley manhattan. Bowling alley was playing it after strikes. Or something. i'm beavis and butthead fan. They had you you were in there except they were saying. There's my but which. I thought was hilarious at the time. Because they say to. Yeah they loved you guys. They're so so there's been an addams family remix of you song. Justin timberlake did soup there. It is there's just it's phenomenal. The the all the various ways in which people have been able to play off this over the years. It's like it never really went away even though it feels like this. The ad has become the big revival. It's it truly has been with us for a long time but on the nba side though. So this is plausibly. An mba podcast. I'm an mba. Podcast her where's your intersection with the nba. Guys like where did you grow up on. Who you fans of nuggets man. Yeah we go back to when they were in the aba you know. I have a relatively play for utah jazz when they were in the aba. No they would've utah stars. I'm sorry old. Guy named ron. Boone is part of our family in I used to. Aba games with nuggets soon when utah came to town. You know. i'm old nuggets. David thomson jumping out of the gym. And you know we went to. We went to the same high school. That micheal ray. Richardson went to you. Know if you know about michael was of course. If he wouldn't have gotten into the things that he got into he would have been super duper star. Man basketball is life. We might which is one of the first little guy bill out. Alleyoop david thomson. You know Dan isel in bobby jones in you. Know fatty taylor. So many men that nuggets nuggets fan. And i'm a bronco fan to let everybody know that ousted nugget in a bronco and and to go back. Go back to the beginning right. My first record was with. Wayman tisdale sacramento. Yeah because he used to play bass guitar. And do you want to make a record. Meeham and robert brooklyn's made. I don't give up back in the eighties. And because i went to school with sac. State university in sacramento. So like i've known kennedy smith hornets. Yeah like i got an aggie by the way. A uc davis yes. Oh oh man known each other since like nineteen eighty five right. Because that's when he got to got to a sacramento and then Wayman tisdale came so connected with the nba has been going for a long time. And then there it is. You've got the bulls right and then you just hear it in every single arena and the big part of our shows is doing nba halftime shows. And when we do have time shows you feel the same energy that you feel from the scoop commercial. Everybody's so we're we're one of the only groups where people stay for halftime. They had to go to bathroom. They'll they'll wait and then get up and go back when we get finished because to hear wolf there it is in an arena with you. Know fifteen twenty thousand. People is incredible and it's once again it takes them back to their childhood so anytime there's a nineties night we're always inconsideration. We've done several twice and now we're doing. Nfl halftime gonna start doing seventh inning stretches hockey games the whole nine because this song brings people so much joy and it goes back really to the beginning of when we drop the record. Because we're on the first edition a jock jams. Right by jock. Jams is legendary in. We're the first edition. I saw on job jams. Still probably a record on vinyl. Oh you know to ask your question. We have been. We have been part of the nba. Since we were kids. I remember i remember by my first pair of you know basketball shoes. They were no ponies because they were sponsored by david. Toms return yup right. So it's not things on earth. Yeah i mean tom mckean and then you know we've done so many things with the nba. We've done interviews with the nba. We've done little jingles for the nba. There so meet the right now. I'm working on a deal. Where i'm you know promo for. Nba right do voice over. I do promo voice over so it's like nba on espn. Like i'm cold right now. We're working on it so these all these things in our tashkent to the nba is forever because the nba has been the most consistent thing in our lives. So i'm old enough to remember that back. In ninety three there was there. It is by tag team you guys and there. It is by ninety. Five south guys even had a friendly kind of rap battle on our senio hall back in the day. What do you think it is and this is not to throw shade at ninety five south. But what is it about your song that endured and that became because they both charted well back in the day but what is it about yours. You think that has spanned the decades now and and outlasted. Not just your the rival there. It is but so much of of of that era. Let me do this dc little. You can a For one we had everybody in ours they at all men and they were seeing about another thing. You know they were more in the Deep party you know the deep party. We have women kids. You know everybody was involved in ours. If you listen to it in the background you hear everybody saying well. It is that was number one Number two man It just. I don't know man. Maybe it was the way we wrap back in. You know that was something kinda new law so so it was a combination of those two in dc until you risk yeah I tell you the first thing. The first thing that happened is that. Because i work at this club called magic city in atlanta georgia. Everybody came to me. Because i was ahead. Dj there and one day. I was You know. I played the song lovers good friend of mine lover dot radio mtv wraps right and he heard the record news like is that and i was like new record man. He was like man. Gimme that gave them a cassette. He's like do not know cassette. So i was like i'll get you vinyl and maybe like a month later i had already left magic city because we signed a contract and he was like. I'm down here man. You got the vinyl people really wanted to record. And i was like i got you so we met. I gave him the record that weekend. That monday him andrey play warmth. There it is the whole show on. Mtv wraps on mtv that catapulted off the rim than two weeks later the bulls when their third. And now you got a half a million people in grant park in chicago and the celebration and you got jordan pippen and everybody on stage chat and whoop there. It is it in that catapulted. And then because of our the prowess of our record company they had a strategy of not just dealing with the southeast because based music just be a southeast thing it hadn't transcended yet or what they did is that they knew they had to come from the outside in south. La and just made a circle around the southeast and you whole united states and started closing is talking about all the major markets had record i in all the major markets blew the record up first and we just had such a big head start. Nationwide that you know. It wasn't just us and ninety five south there was like eight other wounds there. It is records because it was a party scene like though your hands in the air so everybody was making that record but because of those things that happened plus our record is more the essence of hip hop planet rock. You know The beginning of pop fish all those records like that that were universal anyway. That wasn't quite always all the way based music but it was acceptable to everybody and it was a clean record. It wasn't intimidating. It wasn't in that era to have a clean record almost was a bad thing but in this case it ended up being the best thing we could have ever done. We had too much beat up there for tonight. Yeah yeah it was a party to nato plain simple we just made a kick ass record period. You know we a the vic- came to me and was like you gotta make a beat and he was going down to the southeast. It has come from place. And i was like i don't do base. And this is what he told me. Just do away was line. Cool so playwright would be down lover. They all favored records your channel. That yup channel pain on. Yeah look and then we recorded. It went to work. Magic city dropped in a cassette for those people who don't have said is considered. Plastic apparatus has rewind. And if you play too much a and then use gosh. Take a strategically surgically repaired. So it'll play again pencil. You might get a pencil sometimes. Spas bigger pants or just fits right in and you can just toilet really good right so then you gotta be careful that you don't do it upside down then you gotta take the tape off and do it all over again right. That's what a cassette is. When you're young folks then you can break off that little tab so you can't over records you. You mentioned the gypsum lover. A friend of mine in high school gabi that song on a taper was multiple different mixes of that song. I still remember. That cassettes probably in a box in my closet and you think about all those up temple records before ours i remember the merge the first big one right after like all planet rock and all that but the first big one was my senior in college was tone low wild thing whatever that it was instant bright rare that i hear records that are like that but when i heard that it was instant you got sir. Mix la baby got back. Those records basically could have been classified as base records. But they weren't they were uptempo party records right so it kind of already been established but ours came at a time where it just blew everything away and we you know i we saw. I've gave my two weeks notice magic city. We signed a contract and a month and a half. We were platinum. That's how fast was so. It brings me to my my last question here. Because i know that the commercials going out of rotation soon which makes me very sad offset slightly by the fact that they've brought the decamping matombo one back which was one of my favorites so like you know because that was filled with joy to campaign just radiates it but it's going it's going your commercials going away It will live on forever on youtube in thousand other. So that's good. But i'm struck by this and i can not be the only one who's been struck by this how has not been a hoop there. It is yet. I think there needs to be that version and you guys need to play at the finals this year. How about that. Whoever's day wherever listening ad ready. Let's go every day to see that. Nba uses tag. Team is ready to give you something so spectacular on hoop there. it is. call me. You could find us anywhere type in tag team. Won't dc glen st rolling. you'll find. We're here it's too perfect not to do. We need we. We need it Fellas this has been phenomenal just absolutely so much fun. I'm so glad to To get the time with you guys you've been bombarded with media requests performance requests everything. You're you're probably busier than ever. So i thank you so much for taking a little time out. Here for for the crossover pod. They mean we love. We appreciate you man take care however salute and.

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We Raided the Wrong Tomb

Horror Fictional and True Stories

58:00 min | 11 months ago

We Raided the Wrong Tomb

"They say that success is active exploration that means the first thing you have to find the. Learning is searching and now she's just waiting. Time once again, sit back and run extra your favorite train. My name is Rebecca Tho- Amora ever since I was young I think positively obsessed with things like Indiana Jones. Tomb Raider national treasure anything that has the action here. Walk eulogise types in. Even into adulthood I was well convinced. Archaeology had three the most exciting job possible. Just had to be a life of dodging booby-traps in for fighting off bandits looking to sell rare artifacts to the highest bidder. It wasn't until I was in university began the hands on in field portion of my education, and I realized that the field might have been somewhat oversold in the mood. was further cemented once I graduated and was brought on by museum in the US which remain nameless. Disheartened to learn that most archaeological work a little more than cataloging boxes on top of boxes on top of boxes of other people's discoveries from decades before. What a damn kicked to the teeth that was. It was practically a cave troll after a year or two. You can imagine the bulletin. My Salvation came in the form of friend and colleague bursting through the door to the archive or I've been examining fibers of an old shoe. Jesus Sandy. You almost gave me a heart attack. I explained slowly sitting on the stool next to the table. So. You're gonNA share when you see this She out excitedly in practically hopped over to where I was recovering from the startling. Hook Hook she insisted shoving several printed photos and no. Okay. Okay what am I looking? Look. She yelled again pointing to sections of the images. So I inspected the mall closely. They looked to be mostly of partially burnt forest. was able to make out what appear to be a very large rectangle stone tablet under some of the debris. To be quite large. While in two meters tall and at least one and a half white. Also. Look to carvings along the length of it. Looks like an old tablet. Said dismissively handing the pictures back. So. Terry. Just took these in Peru. The. FIS. Brown away a lot of the foliage that was hiding this thing Jay explains. Okay so it's not as Chico. They were all over that place. I concluded. Way? They didn't do all. I, thought out loud taking the photos looking over them again. So shopping that's like nine hundred to two, hundred BC right. Fits the time and area. Yeah I know, but here's the kicker. Terry set the parameters on the left show signs of wed indicate some kind of hinge activity. Just. It's not a tablet. It's a doll. She told me with a glimmer of excitement in a big brown eyes. That is pretty. Amazing. What to do about. We need to go investigate she screamed. If we wait than someone else will get to it. Terry's waiting for us in Moscow, right now to lead us back to the site, but we have to hurry. Hurry. Hurry to something like that, Sandy. Possible some preparations, vaccinations. For stuff. And we don't even do field work we lab rats you know that my scarlet. Sides Turns Spas Anyway, I added thinking back to incidents like when he wore a thousand year old ceremonial fertility master Halloween party to help his chances of getting. What? He's series. Where did you tomb raider spare ago? This committee archaeological of the decade. If not the century, you don't WanNa, be a part of that. It in return. Aside. Terri. Knows a guy with a cargo plane who makes trips back and forth to Peru. Can Get us. All we have to do is pack of. Think about it. I told her before receiving the shoe fibers I've been working on placing them back on the show. I'll let you know tomorrow morning. Late at night, I found myself in front of the mirror in the expedition clothes. I bought some years ago. Never even used one. Foot back to the old daydreams being chased by gigantic boulders and swinging pits of snakes while cradling some long lost ancient idol. All the ones facing down bandits rickety bridge over roaring. River. I started rummaging through my by. Fastened. Things I. Remember others. I. Completely forgotten about. Go sticks magnesium flares led flashlight spare batteries now out of date. 'em. Still Wayne things. Four space blanket medical kit or a water bottle butterfly knife I bought after seeing Lara Croft us one in a movie. Regular life I bought after seeing that I. couldn't flip around like Angelina Jolie did. Each item removed them from the back. And I found the small thirty eight revolve right tucked away in there. Are Thought about getting a pair of automatic pistols but but then I soon realized that a shooting range. To hold and fire too at the same time. Even harder to reload. Also. They're really expensive buying all this other stuff. It made me show the money the time. Back then I was getting ready for an actual adventure. One that I was now looking for any excuse to out of. That was that. I decided right then that I would go. After all I might never get another opportunity like this again. Cramped everything back into the pack and Texted Sandy. The next day, we were both standing next delapidated cargo plane back slung over shoulders. So. Peru is it Voice call from behind us, causing US both to flinch. Both turned to face the voice. Yeah that's. Peru. I said trying to sound tough than confident as possible. My chest to seem bigger. And we gotta get there as soon as we can I said to the middle aged man I assumed to be the pilot. Hit hit a man saying as I looked down to see his face a few inches away from my changed. What I yelled backing away almost tripping over the steps leading up to the plane. The pilot laughed as he ascended the steps motioning for us to follow. Antics lost at the entire flight down the west coast, which was not a short one. Included him using the intercom pronounce things such as. Ladies and gentlemen I just hung my pecker out at the plane. He lives in the left you should be able to see it flopping around just outside your window right now. Please no flash. otographer. Yep was definitely Terry's friend. As we made our destination we heard static over the intercom once again cringed in anticipation of whatever foul joke he's about to me. But instead began to speak in a series time. All right. We'll adding in a few minutes. Once, we touchdown you're GONNA WANNA lift up that penalty to the back right corner in crawling. Don't come out until I say so. They're likely going to touch the cargo hold. And you can't exit the plane until night when you won't be seen leaving otherwise it's all asks. The next time spoke to Cygnus into the hatch. You waited inside the dark cramped space with several minutes. Listening to footsteps sump against the Metal Flora. And several past after the. Movement stone. Light broke through as a pilot, remove the penalty to let us. Okay. You. Still have a couple of hours before it's doc enough to leave. Strip poker anyone he asked producing deck of cards. After the sunset, we made our way out from the plane and were taken by the pilots where small motel on the outskirts of CRISCO. Where we to wait for Terry to arrive the next day to lead us to the site. The pilot set up the room before he left the country to pick us up. Things paid off several days in the being fully stocked with food in accordance with Terry's instructions. Say what she will but Mine Cam Plan. You think only aspirins fall I all sandy. As I sought he threw the things left in the room forest. But, the question is itself before long Oh God wants it di-. I screamed as I wrote back and forth on the beds one hand clutching my head and the other over my mouth as tried to choke down another two aspirin pills. The Hell is wrong with me. A few hours after we'd settled in my head began to spin and I tied to feel like vomit at any second. And then my head just started painting. Managed to pull my head out of the toilet for a brief moments when I heard the room door open terry. Enter. becks real sick sandy exclaimed as he rushed over to Terry pulling him over to me. She's been like this for hours she going to be. Okay. Yeah altitude sickness isn't supposed to be. Expected with a chuckle, your eleven, thousand feet above sea level hero body wasn't able to acclimate to the change in pressure fast enough you have acute mountain sickness. Should go away before. He explained the sounds of me throwing up. We waited another day for the altitude sickness to wear off before starting attributes the Amazon. That, morning we all piled into Terry's jeep and got underway. We wrote all away until we had absolutely no road left drive. Within disembark on foot, began to hike the long trail through the rainforest. Didn't take long before I regretted wearing short. Sean. The phony brush hacked and sawed away mercilessly at my legs causing hundreds of bloody beat on my panel skin. We walked for hours and hours. Then I started noticing. God. Stink I asked try not again. You. Terry onset planning with a grin. Me Shrieked back. Machines cotton. The humidity and the I want sweat evaporates fast enough in your Sherri Steinhauer putrifying it. Shows routing in your own body fire. Chuckled. I ground. Why didn't nobody tell me that this would happen. Experience help. You remember not to do it again he said. As a stream, you can wash off in and hanging shut up to dry off a little. Much, longer I asked about an hour after we packed up and left camp next morning. Another day more or less cherry replying. Almost. Broke down into tears when he pointed out that this was just one way. We would also have to walk the same distance back. I want flop to the ground and carry back the motel. Box Films Heat Smell. I was starting to think adventure stories at omitted certain crucial details of the adventure experience. But. My Spirit was greatly lifted once be heard the announcement from tearing. I've been chatting with sandy a few meters behind when we heard him. Shout back to us. Almost, Mustang is just over this hill. sprinting ahead of him to get our first glimpse of the structure. As, a heads crested over the hill. that it wants. We clambered the rest of the way over and excitement practically crawling over each other. We rushed up the stone beginning spending. Coming over every detail. This was it. It. Was Out. Look at this. Saturday instructed motioning me in her direction a lot of the carvings were scratched off. Any bits pieces left. This one looks like a group of men with. Bars or some kind. Matt Lincoln's maybe but. I wouldn't allow not without current records. Neither. Did giant hinge doghouse audit. or ID missed it all. We can do this. The easy way of the hardware Terry stated walking up behind us with a crowbar what looked like explosives. Going to blow it up. Sandy out at him if Mister Dole cooperates with meal. He said with his usual. Grin. I am going to see what's in that this time. After. Thirty or so minutes attempting to Jimmy the door open with a bar. He righted himself sauce the lower side what back hallway where we both been spectating. Hardware it is. He said during a single stick of dynamite from his vest pocket before lighting it up, tossing it over shoulder onto the stone door. Short views. He sat as he spat pastas diving behind a fallen tree. San I exchanged shop glands before darting for cover after him moments before the explosion. Terry. I barely heard sandy with persistent and invasive ringing she yell beside me. I was the first peer into the. Midst of trying to stand and regain my balance. I caught a glimpse into the inky black, the chasm. Ripping. Holding at bay. Slowly began to creep towards the opening inch by. Then Terry bolted. Hosni sliding to a stop just outside the entrance. Yes we high in baby. He exclaimed once made sure that passage was actually clear enough to enter. Saudi follow behind cra next, peek inside. Well. Let's go to it. Terry said clapping his hands together and making the first real stepping side the open. We followed. Cautiously searching allies made our way in. The entrance was a small hallway that opens to a much larger room. The wolves of which recovered top to bottom in more carvings. But these were untouched and of meticulous detail. As we all gaze around the Stone Kevin, our attention was all brought together on a large fear. It was the middle of the. As we all gathered around. Sandy was the first netease. Terry. Dot. com, Glo. Neither of us. A few steps closer in a quick swipe remove centuries August confirmed it beyond any shadow of doubts. Not only was a globe was accurate. Not even kind of accurate pretty accurate. No not even very. It. Was Perfect. We. All Shiva. As a chill pasta spine. The Globe showed an absolute clarity each and every curve every last landmass from continent to islands. It was tilted on access exactly as it should have been. Made me wonder what the small golden parks placed at random locations across it represented. This thing was. So right he just had to be wrong. Nothing like this could be here. And we all knew it. Terry. I said not knowing why? What? I wanted the response to be. I don't know back. He answered quietly. Let's look around some all Chinese suggested after a minute or two. Maybe, someone came later and put that there. Look around we might find some signs of other people before. I'm pretty sure. This whole thing is a sign of people before US Terry said looking around various carvings on the wall. But. Okay. Let's see what we find. He added giving the globe spin. White I, said grabbing his wrist to prevent him from walking away. That's supposed to be I asked to get an unfamiliar shape some distance of short the rights of the South American landmass. An island between South American for her. There isn't anything between that. Terry, said, looking back at me. Look, I said, typing my finger at the area of the globe. He leaned in looking thumb and wiping at the dock spot checking to see if it will come off. Then, quietly took a few steps away from the globe in dropped to his knees. Bring his bold fists upper over his head before shouting and excitement. Five minutes down here and we found evidence. Mantis is yell echoed off the wolves before he jumped back to his feet and grabbed both by the Sean. Stop taking as many pictures as you can guys when he just went down in history his grin lighter than ever before. As. We studied in photograph the main room we came across several other openings in the back which led to an expanse of interweaving holes in ruins. We stepped inside each one from my win to decide which to explore first. And we agreed to step outside for a minute the Arab begun to feel stuffy. We were all beginning to breathe a bit heavily. We approach the entrance we noticed the light that wants blood in from the savage that the end of the hall was no wrong than. Thinking something I have fallen over the opening we will ran to invest. But. The whole that was badly ten meters when we didn't. Know much longer. We double back being under the impression there of being a second passage, we take him by mistake. Once. We got back to the main room. We were able to confirm that there was only one whole side. Make no sense. Doesn't just suddenly change in an instant like that. We try to think of some logical explanation we couldn't. Going to have to try one of the back pathways Terry suggested. I know it doesn't sound great but I definitely not leaving that way. Maybe there's another accident hand. After a bit of pointless arguing we decided on the middle of five separate hallways set out into the tunnel. We check the rooms we passed as we made our way through the winding corridors. Many of them showed snapshots daily life abandoned in an instant and left the time. Cup. Sitting on tables unmade beds remarkably similar to what we use today. Some place where even found with the scant remains of ancient foods still on them. Entire place started to look like a functioning underground city. Liberally hidden away from the outside world. Where other cultures of the same time an area known for Pyramids and other proud displays of architecture. These people chose for some reason to hide underground. After a long period of walking through the tunnels, we happened across the staircase that led into a lower level. Having to choose between retracing steps all the way to the entryway. Continuing along the only path headwinds, we descended the steps. Into a large round chamber full of stone tables in the middle and shelves along the wall. Objects covered in dust during many of them as we sean our lives around the new route. What do you think is places. Asked storage remaining. Maybe, her replied walking over to the nearest to inspect the pictographs. Closer inspection with that, they were newel carvings on top of where ones at once being. The wall of been smoothed over and recount. In the main room, they say more autistic meticulous. But in here they devolved into something crude and heart. MOSO seeing the purpose of which was to convey information rather than abstract beauty. Depicted people crossing the tunnels and deliberate effort to communicate the importance of the tools they you. Tools which almost look mechanical in nature. Not Simple hand tools of metal which St- shouldn't be possible for the time. The people in this area didn't even know how to make ceramic around this period. But these will looking like they were actual tools. Furthermore the carvings demonstrated that the source of these tools seem to be the mysterious ingles from entrance. Go onto. To tell this metal was very finite. So expensive. And they began attempting to recreate for themselves to great failure would seem. One man could be seen showing another picture with the unknown island seen before on the globe then another with the island no longer than. The final pictographs shows will we interpreted as the metal in some kind of laboratory liquefying seeping through the floor onto the occupants on the levels below who in turn now being shown to be either deformed in the face and attacking embracing each other lying in peace on the floor as the liquid Florida for them. And we saw the final image of the series. In stark contrast in impeccable detail. Face. Human but also. It showed undeniable similarity to the deformities from the previous page. But with infinitely greater detail them face looked old and decrepit. The mouth hung wide with lodge shop piranha like teeth in place of in sizes. The tongue flopped far out to the mouth and was covered in thin spines seemed to be open like blooming flower. What the Hell Terry said he inspected the almost poetry likes turn image. We need to go sandy said pushing away, Pasta. Terry ran back to the beginning of the series to take pictures before joining us. As we waited. We suddenly had his camera classic to the ground. Shortly followed by him screaming in agony. Sandy was right behind me and we ran to his aid as fast as we could. Terry Y'all we got close enough to see him kneeling holding a bleeding hand. Are you okay. Well. Oh Yeah. Drop my camera. Reached down to get it a scratch my hand on Raucous. explained. Why the Hell did you, scream? He scared the shit out of us, Sandy and ice-coated. abro camera. He said holding up his camera to show us the broken limbs. Killing say it was an accident. Secret Sandy joked breathing heavily as I searched my backpack for the medical. This actually looks kind of bad Terry I told him I applied some antibacterial ointment and wrapped a large bandage around his. He's pretty deepen belong. You're going to need stitches when we don't. Worry about that, lleida dismissed getting. Feet. I wanted to patch dust off of a random object sitting on one of the shelves next. I can now tally it was metallic company. Began to more and more things surface until the entire structure could be clearly seen. Tearing was this look like to you I asked moshing him to come over. Circular saw you said plainly taking a look at it. If I didn't know better. I'd say that's a circular saw. He reached out with non bandaged hand picked it up from his resting place. I mean, it has to handle a district teeth. He said touching place on one of the handles causing the to come to live. Played. Made almost no sound itself not until the alarm caused. Terry. To drop it a which point the spinning teeth struck the floor and made an awful racket. That scammy -Tario out holding his hands up his hands. Everyone. Okay. Yeah we're fine but. What was? Sandy Austin. Definitely so How does it still are? Very, sad self and us as he reached down to pick it back A. Look. This doesn't make sense. R-maine, it makes even less sense than it should. The chief on evening thing. I can't make out any. Means attachment. Is like it was made to last forever he said. Then activating the spinning blade again, he held it against the Stone Shelf, at Santo. Wearing teeth or launch gas deep into the rock machine shoe deeper and deeper until he stopped and looked at the thing again. Back Up. And we all began to dust off and photograph as many of the various objects as possible. Some like familiar drills and grinds jackhammers. avas looked almost alien in that possible utility. Try to find something small to stuff in your back. So we have something when we come out. Terry instructed. I found a finally pointed tulip ashamed was once used to carve images into the wolves. Instead it inside my back pocket. After that, we will converse to the opposite end of the room or not the opening lead into another hallway. But. After a moment, we realized that the passage was blocked by another large slam. This one was different than the previous one which blocked the opening to the city. The new slab before was completely plane and looked to have been hastily made by the looks fit is not an original part of the architecture. Carvings running down the whole stopped abruptly at the slack. People objects and animals would either end the stone obstruction or emerge from behind it. But at the same time though absolutely no gaps between the slap in the wall. It had the contents of the deeply car pictographs so It almost to be at. This point we were already short of breath and they stood to improve breathing or do we do now turn around Sandy asks inspecting the wall for a way through. Maybe not. Terry. Says walking up next to us. Holding his hinge at hand. The bandaging saturated had begun to drip blood onto the dusty stone floor. Geez. You Okay Foundation is. Yeah. It was throbbing forbid but. To, go nominate. Anyway, still got some explosive in my back. He said shrugging his backpack onto the ground. Reaching their and get one of the sticks. One with a long fuse instructed as he used his good hand to UNZIP it. Okay Now, what Bios? Instead of down in front of thing, get back around the corner in the room he said. So I did is told retreated back into the toolroom watching him light but dynamite from around the corner. Does he joined us in the room I heading counting under his brand. Five. Pharmacy three months. Before took shelter around the corner covering his. Sunday night better go our own is covered before the explosion ship flow wants the dust settled. We were able to see the dynamite didn't do any noticeable damage to the stone. Okay to. Be that way. Terry. Said shrugging his backpack once again. Reach in and pull out those gray blocks he said. This I asked during as C., four spicy brick boom. Yeah. There should be a small electrical device in the little pilots. That's the detonator. Need you to get that out and stick I set of positive and negative wise in one. Ought to in the second one. Okay. Got It. I said once I finished his instructions. Good. Now, turn the device on hit time said then once the numbers flash zero on the time up to fifteen seconds. Once you do that go takeover now start the clock he said. Once I finished. Did he said made my way back behind the wheel? Men shortly after he followed counting once again. Six. Bill Father Baco. Forms. Three myths. Pushing back away from the opening and covering us with his body. The next explosion I could feed my chance Lou large plume of dust and rubble out from a hallway. Who Clear sinuses Terry said slowly making his way back into the hall. Give it a second. He said holding his hand up to stop it from falling. When Steve Anything got knocked loose and hasn't fairly After waiting for a minute to was sure that it was safe, we were able to pass through a hole in the slab which was considerably thicker than we'd imagine. Once, we cross the barrier change in atmosphere was immediately apparent. Not, much harder to catch our breath and life seemed to not reach nearly as far into the darkness. They had only moments before a. Few steps in. We began to notice small streams of sickly yellow liquid, dripping down the walls and puddle on the floor. I shall my light on one of the thin streams as I leaned in for closeable. Something to glimmer underneath the putrid yellow as it dripped in an almost hall. Slight way down the wall mesmerized are a single finger out was fluid. Have counts of common sense in my body says absolutely not touch that Shit. Terry said few centimeters away from my air. Make me jump with Ryan's. Come on. Let's keep moving. He said the Labor in his breath now even more noticeable we walked on for hours in the smothering. Felt. Thicken homes but sparse of oxygen if breathing through a blanket. Sickly yellow fluid became more more common as. We began having to actively avoid rushing across it or stepping in it feathery went. And then We saw the first one. Terry. Sandy. What the Hell's I asked with a quaking voice hardly needing to head. That's a body Terry said slowly creeping up next week. We'll gathered around to investigate. Look. All wrong. Emaciated but not mummified, but it was so old it would have decayed bones by now if not for that. But I looked. Not Fresh but not nearly old in. Any clothing it might have once worn even rotted away with nothing but a few stone, a metal buttons left to be recognized. It's very sad. He squatted down for a closer look. At that moment I noticed the blood dripping from his hand, hit the floor next puddle of yellow fluid. I soon to hit the floor. The very rapidly began to be drawn toward the puddle. Audit Single trace of blood was left by the dust traffic made is who? Talk the fluid instantly diffuse through it as if it will never there. Guys. Guys I yelled trying to get their attention. Look I said pointing towards the ground is more droplets, hit the floor and were in. Poland into and swallowed by the yellow liquid. Okay that looks a lot like cute. A leaf sandy insisted. Yeah. Definitely. Terry agreed as we hurry down the PA. While the House that I asked as we walked along at a brisk pace. Motivation Tehran's. Motivation to get out of. Take credit for the discovery sin someone else here. So we can never talk about it ever again. That's the best idea I've heard today sandy agreed quickening her pace despite her obvious struggle for. Wait wait noticing this. We need to stop and Cabraha eat something drink some water my suggested. He found an offshoot room relatively absent from the strange liquid with some stone chairs to sit down for a bit. We took some time to rest and refuel I put my bag in withdrew my medical again. I Terry. Let me see your hand. I think we should try changing advantage my said. Stood for a seat and walked over to me as said, place one of the portable lanterns next to me urban the kit look for some fresh bandaging and disinfectant. Does it still hurt off she held handouts me. Not. Anymore. But I can't move it ready well. He replied. Well that's not good. You might have severson tendency if you can't move it. I sat a little more grimly than I intended. Let me try and see what's going on. I added taking his hand starting to unravel the band. At once. My heart dropped to join. Mike whole on several fleshless fingers fell from the fabric onto the floor. Future stench of rot wafting through the air. Cost Terry. I shrieked as I climbed over the back of the chair in alarm. Terry. Your hand is writing. I yelled at him. Still looking at the liquefying flesh on his hand is the bone showed through his hand to the wrist. He. squinted at me for a second caulking, his head and confusion. As if not really processing what I was screaming at him all the reason for my son rich. Not, all change the moment took his vision for me and focused on his own decaying appendage. Know. What the Fuck is wrong with my hand screamed as he convulsed in shock, the movement caused remaining fingers to break loose and fall to the floor leaving only exposed bone of his betty clinging thumb remaining. His and an my panic was joined by Sandy shrieks Tara, she realized what was going on. I'm not entirely sure he throughout fast but we okay are answered eventually. Either the site of the smell or a combination of justice situation in general. We all got around to it. Took several minutes for everyone to somewhat calm down to a reasonable level but. As long as you might think. Also, lead you to the lack of oxygen the exhaustion it was causing. Just kept me out of. Kept me out of. Terry Repeated Sandy and I tried to reassure him that you'll be. Okay. Please Just came out. I WanNa go home I wanna go home he said rocking back and forth. His freshly ramped hand. Rebecca. Sandy screen from the corner of the room. Causing me turned adoration. She was pointing to Terry's. Bloody bandage that we left lying on the floor. Thin stream of the yellow substance had made his way across the room puddle next to the wall. Slowly creeping closer and closer to the bandages. Then all at once as the fluid finally touched the mess of Gore and blood. rapidly. Enclosed it and smashed it back over to where the puddle at originating. Watched in horror as the red color rapidly drained from the Gore's dispersed into the legal. Time to go exclaimed pulling Terry to Sweden guiding him through the opening of the room back into the cargo. As we move back into the hallway, I fumble through my pack drew the pace tool. I kept stashed away up to that point and tucked it into my front pocket. Now the our past the lack of oxygen was starting to take home. Every breath was painful and labor. On. Top of that, we have plenty of batteries, Ri- Lights, they became less and less effective at pushing dot void. The cavernous city tunnels is we deeper and deeper into the labyrinth. Terry was the worst off. Well, it stop sweating is once bronze ten skin become Pale and damn to the time. KABADDI speak in his all he could to just about keep up with me and Sandy. Can Really. Bad. Told her as we sat down to rest again. We need to get out soon. Another. replied. Softly staring at the ground and sliding foot away from one of the puddles begun to slow the advance towards us every time we'd stop slow down. We don't admit it for about thirty minutes once we started working in, we had to stop to rest. Sandy and I might have been able to go a little longer. But Terry was now only able to move by propping himself up against the wall dragging his feet little by little. Got Him over to a small outcropping that resembled a bench so could sit down. Town. I know you're tired but we need to keep moving. Please I sat as kindly impatiently as I could through my gasping breath, we should be hardly be heard over the deep wheezing wet breath Terri Lewis to get worse and worse with every inhalation of the accurate. Eh. Commentary try to stand up. I'll help you said taking his arm and putting it around my shoulder. I stood. An entire since. The movement. Lack of weightlessness sound. Made a cold chill run down my spine. I didn't know what had happened. What I just felt. Sure it was bad because it made Sandy Shriek Consob uncontrollable. Moved away from Terry as fast as I could. And turned to face him just in time to seize. Longer attached to its, body. Slide out from under the sleeve shirt and onto the ground with a wretched visceral sound. Terry? I'D TRY TO STEM A. Look in his eyes. But I think he felt a thing. If he even knew what had just happened to. Back out of him, notice the gurgling moist noises of his breathing seemed to be coming up in the wrong place. then. The looked him over. Not. Something almost completely hidden by. So I unbuttoned it, hold it mine. I couldn't help but recoil. Entire. Right. Side of his chest was riddled with decaying flesh and open seeping homes, some of which bold and spewed as inhale accent. I'd found the cause of the gurgling sounds. Nausea set in again as I looked down on his rotting torso. The person it belonged to rapidly being putrified align. Remember what? I was about to say that very instant never got the chance. That was when a different now to sound echoes through the corridors from the direction we come in. We couldn't see the source of us. Just, the continuous noises of deliberate dragging footsteps loud slurping, sucking ratching. Sandy and I focused both had light into the darkness and watched as it came into view in the distance. Selective person began to appear. Gleam of a single metal button giving away exactly what was coming towards. It finally got close enough for its face to be eliminated. I still see it when I close my. His skin was still rotting in degraded as we've seen it before its head Bob back and forth pulled and jerked his body into each step and his desperate effort to reach. Washington revulsion, her Tara and disbelief is to milky. Eyes began to pool and congenial that previously empty sockets roll backwards into his head as long grotesque tongue pushed its way out of his mouth with a slimy squelch. Skin became more lifelike and ductile with each step is the tongue split and thousands of spines blossom from the squirming convulsing muscle. I watched as it reformed itself as it closed in on us. Back to Terry, the noticed his missing arm laying on the floor. One of the streams of liquid had reached. And what remained of the limb was disappearing into the horrid fluid. Is met Terry's. And he looked away my his gaze down to the river in my pocket. I. Know. Contact I. Couldn't finish my sentence just shook my head. And he looked me in the eyes one last time. Look pleading defeat broke my heart right then in the After that, he never took his eyes off my pocket. He just said it is tears roll down his cheeks. Slowly reached my front. Import out, the small river. Holding. It tightly, my shaking hand. Are Press the barrel up against his forehead. Sounds of the corpse growing closer and closer foster and foster behind. Accounted. One Mississippi. To Mississippi. Three Mississippi. From pulled the trigger. Click Click. And that was the moment island that ammunition can expire. And what she exact moment terry resigned himself to his fate. Used his two guy, my attention down to his back on the ground and he looked down the hallway to the right as pointing this is telling me to take the bag and Sunday and run. I'm so sorry. I'm mouth him. Unable to force any sound from my lips is tears now ran down my face to match. It's not back and grab sandy by the wrist reading a down the corridor, the sound of tearing. Liquefying Flesh. Off of bones filling out is listen to terry our friend. Taya horrible debt. Alone in the. Both bold as we ran away still fighting for each and every breath we took. We didn't get far before we both stay to a stall. Rounded a corner that led to another whole strewn with dozens more bodies that were now. Beginning to twitch ride on the ground as I tried to right themselves. God. Shit what now? Desperate. Come on that this way she ansett pulling me in doubling us back down a different. To find something looks like the entrance we can blow through it with stuff antares back jigs blamed rundown Cardoza dotted around corners. Didn't take long before we had to pause and rest for a second. But that was only. One. Of those things honest out of a recess, we stopped in front of and tackled sandy to the ground. She screamed and fought back I tears crowbar offerings bagging study smashing the creature in the head. I washed skull caved in deep deep with each blow. But it wasn't fazed at all. Suddenly gave up on Sunday. Turned on me, knocking me back against the wall. Try with all my strength to hold his face back away from mine. So strong. Nothing left anymore. Sandia taken my place and began stabbing it in the neck with a pocketknife knife, but he's still didn't seem to bother. Pushed and pushed as it forced me to the ground and it's spine tongue wriggled and reach for any part of me that it could find. Some The coughing tool from that room. Full from my back. Not Hesitating our grasp it as tiny as I could and stabbed it into the courts temple. It went limp in an instant like some WanNa just cut the strings of a pump. Sammy, get it off I shouted. What did she do? She asked she pulled the emaciated body often. Revealing the small pointed gold colored tool. You both watched the creatures blood seemed to evaporate off it as if it were very hard. Nothing those things like this stuff I said putting up next to one of the trickling streams of yellow fluid which bent and squirm to avoid making contact with any part of the metal to. Sure having something poem. We don't have time to figure it out. Sandy said leading further into the whole. You went fava further on until we know the wolves becoming coarser and coarser like unfinished still waiting to be smoothed down and coffee with new stories. Pressed on. The was worse Than Avenue. Both beginning to become disoriented and weak. I. We thought we were hallucinating when we know the hallways getting tighter and tighter. But as the roughly-hewn cargoes became little more than narrow tunnels, we knew that it wasn't our imagination. Walking through spaces in which both showed a scraped across the wall as we went. Hunting began to set in as we passed oxygen and the tunnels. We can hear them in the distance now. They on our trail and getting closer by the minute as we squeezed small openings and crawled through hosts. So narrow, we take out bags off to get A. Breath. Gas. Did I fought any Erica get in the cramped space. We were crawling through hands in. Having, the walls are closing army. The GonNa Crush Me Sandy, they're gonNA crush me. Get trapped in those things are gonNA eat me like. please. Don't leave me. Don't leave me Senegalese lease. I began to panic and plead the lack of oxygen claustrophobia taking full hold of me. Hey. I'm not gonNA leave you. You're not gonNA get crushed. We're going to get out of here. Okay. She said taking my face in her hands but we need to keep going. Finally shaking it off I managed to push on until the crawlspace opened abruptly into a Kevin. And at the other side on top of a small flight of stairs. was launched on Slab like the one we come in. Iran for the stamps feeling the air begin to return to our lungs the first time in our. Pushed it. Didn't botch. Dynamite Sandy said opening tarries by. The creatures closing in on us in the. Hurry. Why did Sandy said turning to look over her shoulder? The whole we entered through? Hari. Afflicted, lighter it up next to the fuse. Hey. What happens if they just follow us out? Looking up. and. Frightened face. To figure it out then now like difficult thing she shouted. Talk to the flame, the fuse. To close to the stench. Sandy run short fuse I screamed trying to push back down the steps dynamite went off right behind. Blowing. The stone slab apart and us of the stats. My vision faded back to me slowly daylight poured in from outside. The deafening ringing. My is still not having subsided yet. Trying to collect myself an for Sandy. Sandy. Where almost? Geraldo my side to see a single which ing human hand reaching out from a massive of snarling, sucking. Riding Kalsi. She'd landed close to the entrance. It must have found her. Choking back, sobs I wrote onto my hands and knees in crept silently as I could toward the stacks. But I kicked a small. Brought all their attention straight to me. I made a break the exit with everything. I had. Climbing standards, hand and foot I made a mad dash for the LYFT. fell the jagged nails of one of the hands right down my leg is I jumped through the opening into the partially CIA grass outside embrace myself waiting for them to pile on top of me. But it never came. A step back into the pits is glowing is dead back at me. Thin who've back-and-forth occasionally reaching hand into the light only to pull it back instant. A crowd of people. Each time smokes a little fat burning skin. I watched on for hours. Is never breaking contact with me wholesome much is blinking. The Sun. Was Fading but I was exhausted and didn't have anywhere to go. Couldn't even stand anymore. I made it out but still just be able to wait me out. My vision was starting to fade again from the exhaustion concussion about. But I could feel my consciousness beginning to slip away that glowing sickly yellow is out from the daughter. Waiting for that show. Hey, you okay you're bleeding. For spoke jolting me back to consciousness. is to a man standing over me in black clothes. He knelt down next to me. There any other? I didn't make it. Did they. Seem to get his his from the reactions on my face. Something in. Style route and raise a hand to point to the destroyed time barrier. It'll be. My Mom and Now they won't. It's already been dealt with he said never even bothering to look in that direction. But I did. As. 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And he opened the door left me sitting there in the bed by myself. twirling the metal tool through my fingers as I looked at it closely in the light for the first time. It's been several weeks that I've been spending Peruvian hospital waiting for whatever punishment have coming sneaking into the country. But I finally worked up of motivation to tell the story to anyone who'll listen. I know now. Know Adventure. But accountant this be. To find out who those people. They knew things hidden things that you and I don't suppose to know. I need this for me and for Sandy Viteri. Now Yuna. Anyone who has any information that leads me to them I strange metal, the weird liquid in the city, this mysterious loss culture. Anything would be so helpful. Anything. So, phenomenal story that you Sarah Wednesday evening late in December and one that I really enjoyed that from the author of the Werewolf series. But It's not connected exactly. Did you find some Easter eggs in that? 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Black Art and Liberation with Rosalind McGary

Black History Year

39:18 min | 3 months ago

Black Art and Liberation with Rosalind McGary

"The new season of fortnight's here. Did you play fortnite or know anything about it. You'll know that the storyline evolves with every season. And now it's better than ever whether you're playing battle royale. Daily or hopping in for special events in party royale. The island changes with every development that gets thrown at us and now the island has grown wild. So must you battle with wildlife and craft your weapons experience the zero crisis finale in game now and pick up season six battle. Pastor run wild across primitive landscapes with lara croft teen titans raven and agent jones go to fm dot gee-gee slash season. Six to see it all reclaiming. The narrative is so important because it teaches us what we're made of where we come from and what we're capable of and then as artists especially black artists. We teach with our work. We keep company with our work. We inspire movements with our work visual art. It's something that has always played a fundamental role in black movements. The harlem renaissance the black arts movement. The black lives matter movement of today. In each era artists have offered their vision and skill wielding the power of art to inspire and uplift to educate and communicate to shift black consciousness towards the direction of love self respect feeling and freedom. I'm jay from push black and today on black history gear were talking black art and liberation. Now whether you're an artist or not this episodes for you because in some way or another aren't has influenced your life guarantee. Maybe you grew up with famous black paintings like ernie barnes the sugar shack in your home. Or maybe you fast by building with the mural honoring the black legend however you've experienced it art is all around and there's value and embracing to break it down for us. We're talking with roslin mcgarry compton. Based artists and producer who is so low and collaborative work has been featured in shows museums nationwide including the los angeles museum of african art hampton. University's art museum. The new york national black fine art show and many others in twenty sixteen. She found its collective and artists run organization whose mission is to engage artists. Build community and empower youth later. We'll talk with her. About the collective's iconic black panther art exhibitions done in collaboration with former panthers who are still using art to serve the people and create change. This is an exciting conversation about the power of black creativity. Let's get to it roslyn. What does black liberation look like to you to me. Black liberation looks like freedom freedom to express gas as an artist. The way i'd like to express on any given day at any given moment freedom to care for each other care about each other freedom of movement to go where we please when we please how we please and to be able to share knowledge about our culture with each other uninhibited. And how do you see your work as working towards black liberation. My work with iconic black panther is threefold and learning. We're learning as we go right It kind of develops in. Then we look back at it and say wow. This is developing in this direction. But i will say that I kind of black panther. There it's a series. A multi city art exhibitions. We've done three already. The i was in oakland in two thousand sixteen. The second one In los angeles in the third in chicago the fourth was to be this year in new york. I say multi city exhibitions because each exit is not a traveling exhibition. Each exhibition is different and reflects the city and the city's history with artists with cultural movements with social equity movements. Each city has its own personality and those personalities are able to express in the production of these artists visions. So i would say that reclaiming our narrative and in this case the narrative of the black panther party and artists and educators coming together and making space for that to happen would be number one number two would be moving into the educational space. We work with educators in every city that we show we exhibit and they bring some portion or aspect of our exhibits to their campuses and build programming around it to engage their students. So i think that's a huge huge part of iconic black panther that you know has developed organically from the beginning of us doing these exhibits that i didn't necessarily know was as possible as it is and then raising money for black panther alumni. Need there still are black. Political prisoners in prison right now some been in prison over forty five years and raising money to support them in their families and also when they come out raising money for support so those are the three ways think that these art exhibitions work towards black liberation. So you mentioned in terms of black liberation freedom of expression was important to you. Can you dive into that. A little more. Why is that important to you. And why should it be important to all of us in the community. Artists are are not honest as an artist as as a black artist as a black woman artist. You find when you're very young when you're starting out that you have expectations from your community. You have expectations from your family. Usually heels expectations are. Don't become an artist. But you know you have these you. Have you have expectations that you bump into right. So freedom of expression evolved from me from man you know. Sometimes i just wanna paint a flower. I just wanna you know. Wanna draw for our. That's it but you can also be judged like well. What kind of artist are you. You're black woman you you don't have nothing to say. My work has always been very. My personal work has been very private and it really is about. I call it the emotional layers of being a black woman navigating different spaces as a black woman in this society. In this time. I've found that producing art. Exhibitions is in itself a work of art and it's a collaborative work of art. So you're working with other people. And that expression is. I believe more important because it reaches more people and it also empowers the artists who are working together and the educators that are working together and the producers. That are working together. You know whoever's coming together to kind of produce these exhibitions that we have defined as you know. Hey we're gonna do this thing and we're going to bring people together to talk about things that maybe are uncomfortable to talk about. We're going to engage you. Know community in these ways with programming. We're gonna you know what we want to do. How do we want to do it. And kind of having those conversations where we get together and say first and foremost what do we as black people use mostly black people with iconic black panther of course What do we want to do what we want to say. In how do we want to say it and starting there is liberating what led you to predate iconic black panther. I would have to go back to probably Two thousand thirteen two thousand thirteen. A group of forty raiders got together and we produced a show called rise. Love revolution the black panther party and we held it in la and turn out was amazing. and it was. It was a fundraiser. You know we plan from the beginning that it would be a fundraiser. At that time it was the largest group exhibition. Interpreting the black panther party that ever been done and so the turnout was so great and there was such possibility with it but it was exhausting. You know it was. It was all those things when you start a new thing but it was. It was amazing and it was. It was full of love and it was beautiful and so we all disbanded. After that and it was a couple of black panthers who had worked with us jean washington and hank jones who came to me alternately and said hey we need to keep doing this this is important and so they're kind of the the fathers of iconic black panther and so i started off with plans to produce iconic and I knew that i could not do it alone. And i had plans to start. Sepia mart. organization is based in compton in its centers artists of color. And so i had plans to do that in this just became the right time. We opened in two thousand sixteen in oakland for the fiftieth anniversary of the black panther party. That's amazing so. Can you describe what people will see at the economy. Black panther exhibit. Saw plan next. Time is new york so basically The first thing that we do is seek out a space so some amazing space that can hopefully house the people who come the thousands of people who come but also the wonderful work of over fifty artists so what we do as we seek out a curator a local curator for each exhibit. Archie raters today of been women. And i want to carry on that tradition women of color and so we seek out a curator and curator has of course a relationship with local artists. The curator is artists. What we also put out a call to artis level the field. We like a variety of artists from well established to brand new are exhibited chicago. Our youngest was twenty two. Our oldest artists was ninety six and so face curator and then dream right then imagination. The black panther alumni in each city weighs in from the first meeting that we have about what they'd like to say what they buy see and how they like to participate. Join with us partner with us and those conversations usually involve outreach in our programming so When people come to the exhibit what they see is an expression not just of the artists that are interpreting. either the black panther party or their own activism. They're communicating about things that they're involved in or more to highlight right. It's also the exhibition space in the people that are involved there it's Educators in universities local universities at involved themselves and members of the black panther party saw that emory. Douglas is been involved as well in that someone that As soon as i. I learned about him in his work. I've been trying to learn as much as i can't ever since very inspiring stuff. I think for any creative person who is trying to say something. What was it like working with him on this project and for our listeners who was emory douglas. And what was his role in the panthers and get sent to different black panthers in really does feel to be the same way that feels you know when you go into a place where you haven't been in south. Maybe they're like okay. Well you got some cousins down there so you need to go and you need to say i am so emory douglas. He was the minister of culture for the black panther party. He is an artist and you can see his work on every or almost every Black panther newsletter and then within the newsletters as well he views art as a teaching tool anna call to action so he knew that he was using his work to communicate in very plain terms to people who either may not have time to read or could not read well to break down what was going on what was in that newsletter and what the black panther party was working on communicating about at that time and still today he still works and so he's accessible to artists and activists all over the bay area. The first time i met him i met him at a fundraiser. He was sitting eaten a need to city s. Sit down have a seat. Let's you know let's talk. I told him you know. I wanted to do these exhibits. And so he hit me to the history of some other exhibits that have happened about the black panther party and how they looked and you know when they were art exhibits. They naturally centered around. Emory emory's work and so what we were doing on the scale that we were doing. It hasn't been done in quite that way. And so his and all other black panther alumni guidance as far as just kind of keeping to the history or no this. This didn't happen. That way happened this way. So it's really like a dream come true again. that's douglas. he's he's our. He's our intersection of activism. And arts. he is that personified humanity archive. Podcast is your home. For some of the most provocative honest and fascinating stories from history with the most compelling narratives and of your seat storytelling germain fowler breathes. Life into history he shows the untold underexposed narratives. You didn't hear about in school and challenges everything you thought you knew. About history. with the powerful and unique perspective vanity fair says fowler is adept storyteller with the sonorous voice and that fowler's passion for his materialist palpable. As the unfurled the hidden histories listeners. Agree as one fan says. This podcast has so much excellent energy. I love the host excitement about history and philosophy. He puts people into great context and by the end of the episode. I feel closer to the people. He's talked about. This is the closest thing to time. Travel. you will get to win. A podcast listened to the humanity. Archive podcast biweekly. And subscribe to the humanity archive. Podcast on apple podcasts. Spotify or wherever else you listen. So you mentioned previously reclaiming than there to move Speak more on that. Why is that important for black artists for us as a people and in what ways is. Is this exhibit or your work working toward that. Well reclaiming the narrative. I think in this particular case of course is beyond important because we see the impact of others controlling that narrative about the black panther party. We see the damage that it's done the complete rendering of families and communities Because of the vilification of the black panther party and yet it's a group of people who i think average age nineteen when they joined when they started their work There's no corner of the globe that hasn't been impacted. You know inspired influenced by those van. Young people who also most of them are still doing community work. They're still working for the people and so they were cast as people who just wanted to kill white people. They weren't cast or acknowledged as people who stood in the gap for their community. You know for for other people they. They created twenty three survival programs. I've been told. Now it's over twenty three so i don't have the full list. They said about feeding protecting our communities. Educating our communities you know studying sickle cell disease in our community starting clinics in our communities. You know all those things you know. They were doing and they were doing it. And having to each other at the same time. So reclaiming the narrative around that is so important because it teaches us what we're made of where we come from right and what we're capable of and then as artists you know. I think that you know artists especially black artists brown artists. We teach you know with our work or we keep company with our work or we inspire movements with our work. And so you know when we look at what's happening with black lives matter and how they've been vilified over the years and you know it's kind of the same thing happening all over again. There's this this force for good. All the started with was saying that lives matter right and now all of a sudden. I'll know exactly when it happened. But now said they're a terrorist organization right. So you see how these things happen in real time when you when you learn about how things happen to the black panther party weed becomes necessary to talk about it to keep those conversations going into engage you know especially young people in those conversations and then it becomes important to create space for us as artists in each other so that we can continue to do that. So what is the role of black artists and black art in the black liberation struggle. I think that's a choice. You know. I think that artists have to make that choice. And i and i really strongly stand by an artist's choice to involve themselves or not involved into whatever you know the to whatever level that they choose. I really that. I feel that very very strongly but i also feel like as black artists you inevitably are going to bump up against some some challenges and some struggles. You know because you are black because you are brown because you are a woman because you are all those things you're going to bump up against struggle and those things tend to kind of hone us into activists in our own ways. You know i think for me it's producing exhibits is when i'm able to met my activism my expression free in that regard but when i'm painting i'd never looked at myself as an activist. You know. i looked at myself as in someone who just wanted to talk about these things else feeling but inevitably other people who are touched by. What you're doing are gonna come and say you have done this for me. You have helped me with this. And so i don't know how we can avoid it. You know how Black artists can avoid some type of activism even if it's just advocacy for other artists who've gone through some of the things that they've gone during the black arts movement. There was a push. Those involved i think most notably larry neal than amiri baraka to call for black artists to reject european standards and create. Our own in terms of art are working creativity. What are your thoughts. Well when you talk about the ration- i think that rejecting european standards is absolutely liberating. I think everybody should try. I think is absolutely liberating personally. What's been really liberating for me as an artist producing these exhibits and also working in my own city now in compton to create arts. Programming is that i am truly interested in having these conversations amongst ourselves. You know our wanna talk about these things amongst us. I wanna learn from black artists. Who were there before me. And and how did they deal with these things in. What was this like. And when i put pen to paper. I m most assuredly talking about what my idea beautiful is in and so i think that as much as we are the product of this society. There's so much within us as expresses and creatives that we want to get out. We owe it to ourselves. I'll say to throw off all those dictates so interested in what artists you look up to. Who are some of your favorites that you think are doing things in a way you admire or even aspire to. That's that's a hard one off. The top of my head i mean of course emory douglas. Dr similar lewis. Of course elizabeth catlin. Charles allston work and tanks li. I don't know. I could probably go on and on and on and on are there any sort of unifying themes across the folks. You just mentioned that. Make you drawn towards their work or the type that they do as as a group. Those those folks you mentioned. I mean i'm an emotional painter. Emotional pain and emotions are so i can't i. I keep coming back to artists who move me probably seeing some things. I aspire to i see. The simplest stroke captures immense beauty and emotion. And i don't really know how to put that into words. Buddy can be the simplest ing. And i spy to that i want people to cry one stroke done you know but but you know really the least the least amount of strokes actions towards whatever piece you know and that piece captured the the entirety of whatever it is. I want to say so. I think that that those are artists. Who who do that almost like a minimalist approach to yeah yeah. The art world is pretty white. Lee white what has been your experience navigating that you know it's funny. I am not the poster child for navigating our world. i informed. I did not go to art school. I always drew all my life and it was my solace as young personnels introvert and so i took art courses in college. But i didn't. I didn't go on. And i didn't have the confidence when i was there to major in art i was like maybe i'll work in a museum or work in a gallery. You know i was kind of just want to be around it. I didn't have that confidence to say. I'm an artist and it wasn't until a couple of years after i graduated that i started my career but before that i worked at sotheby's and i worked at a local gallery in oakland sandals gallery and i remember when i worked at sotheby's i was interning. I interned sotheby's and san francisco and i remember looking over the magazines and i loved all the catalogs for the exhibits. You know but they had everything everything everything they had chinese snuff bottles and mid-century planes and it everything from art to jewelry to seventeenth century dutch masters and so i remember one day asking the director. Where is the black art catalog. And she said to me. I don't know maybe looking the primitive section so. I think that. I've been happiest when i don't consider the art world when making decisions and i get happier as time goes by i. I can happy as those by. I don't care to Necessarily impress in that regard or succeed necessarily in that way. I love starting with the question. What is it that you want to do and just doing that. You know and kind of keeping the voice and out of my head as much as possible. Because i know they. They're i know they're they're they're always there. But i i'm interested in having those conversations amongst my community. My family my people. I love a had similar experience. I went to school for film. Making and i had a film of mine. I didn't realize it was an art film to they're like. Hey you have this art film i was. I just thought it was a film film but in Ended up in a couple exhibits. And when i got there and looked at the makeup of the room and the people who are trying to have conversations about it slow. I don't. i'm not really feeling this. I don't want to explain it in these ways and want people to feel so. I felt as you mentioned most comfortable most fulfilled in our community sharing that work in this. Who was meant for. I assume that what you shared. What i shared is pretty common. Do you hear that type of sentiment from folks at your also in communication with a black artist. I do i absolutely do and i also hear you know. Conversations and witness movement where artists are. You know striving for that kind of it. You know it factor. You know striving to position themselves to kind of beads darling of the art world in working at how they've learned to present and work and i get it. I love and i welcome anyone who feels something when looking at my work and i love it that it has that effect you know and i do feel like it's it's meant to keep company but i understand on a very deep level that my work comes from a place where you know. My people is all i need. I think it's true. You know art is for the people. It is not a luxury. I kind of want to start there like. I don't believe that art is a luxury item. A black artist will do a piece about sharecroppers and that peace will then sell for a million dollars. You know what i mean. It's like okay that energy that's in. That piece is now hanging somewhere. Its blessing some space. You know that doesn't understand it completely. And that's why. I believe in prints leave because i believe that we should have. We should have access to the work by artists. I mean that's what it's for believing public art for the same reason you know. In what ways are you seeing folks creating their own table in addition to obviously what you're doing with connick black panther. There's so many people doing so many things. I mean you know it's like technology being what it is is like every year is a new era. Mike people are describing. And i mean they're figuring out ways to exhibit and share their work that don't involve the same middle entities social media being what it is in and how it evolves and how artists you know utilize it to share their work. We can have the exact conversations that we want to have. We're not building something for an oscar or those particular. Were building something to reach our people. And then it's accessible by everyone in some way fashion or form via social media. I don't know how it's going to end up. But i feel very strongly that the powers that be are going to have to meet us where we are. They're going to have to meet us where we are as opposed to You know what has been happening. Which is we meet them where they are and satisfy whatever those you know kind of elusive checkoff points are to be what we're supposed to be so that we can you know were nice and polished and pretty weaken. We sell remarkable. This is what. I am witnessing. This is what i see. And i think that that's going to be a huge shift. The social dictates will be dictated by. The people was their artwork in your home. Growing up. where. You influenced by art. And i ask because i know in every black household i grew up in. There was some of the classics a painting of martin luther king or the one with the the two black cans One reaching reaching. I forget what it's called where there are some that you commonly see in black households recently saw one of obama washing people's feet as if he was jesus or something did that that type of art were seeing that around. You inspire you in any way coming up. Yes out a military brat. So until i was six i was overseas and my clearest memories are greece is really interesting the being in a place where people are speaking of people all around your speaking another language by so With young kids so we learned the language but in our house and my father's friends you know we had a community you know there are a lot of black folks in the military will school on military base. That kind of thing. My father had a painting and it's in our house still as in the closet but my father someone gifted in this painting but there was a large nude in our living room. A black nude and she was this dark skin sister with a straight ponytail. Pull back in like there. Was this It'll cuff in the painting. That was holding her ponytail back and she was facing to the side and she was standing this really strange position. She had her hands on her is almost like been a little bit. But it's so interesting that peace and the fact that my sister who's three years older than me taught me how to draw. That's how we played. Is she come home. And show you how to draw hand on show you how to draw a tree or whatever and it got to the point with be my sister where we'd be talking about something and like i don't know what you're talking about where and be like over there by red house like draw draw what it looked like what you know. So that was kind of early on a way of communicating from me and then our baby sitter in greece anesthesia. Greek young lady she drew and so it was always something in me to do. It's funny my sister taught me how to draw. She's a teacher now. I'm like oh she was being a teacher. Then you know she was meeting me where i was and it was always a part of my life as far as i can remember and i do want to say this. My father was a dj in the military and so there was always music in our house like his radio show was called. This is soul in greece. So you know we cannot forget. That album covers sue album covers and he had so many albums so yes I had i had really serious and intense Visual influences what would you say is the value of really having art in your home in terms of liberation culture identity. What value can the everyday person have. embracing black art. Let me just say this. I went away to high school. I went to a boarding school and most of the time at that school. They're only two hundred students. Total and i went straight from compton to that boarding school and my best friend. She was from what's and so she used to get ebony and essence magazines and you know remember ebony and essence used to have the varney or different artists. They would just have little tiny you know. They just have pictures of their work in the magazine. And you could may be purchased prints things like that. She would cut those little what to buy three inches. You know she cut those out in tape them to her door and her door was catty corner to mine and so that's the first thing she would see when she gonna rule right. Is this black art. And that's what i would see going into my room. And i cannot tell you how we had each other. That was that was a beautiful thing but also having that work. That's why. I always say that art keeps company is because i know that first hand you know it lifts the spirit is the same as putting on your headphones when you're on a subway or when you're in a place where you know you're not welcome. I mean you can hear your music in your head. You're not alone so it keeps company. And i you know. I do think that's important just like that. 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1:19:25 hr | 2 years ago

#7 - The Return of Smosh Games

"The ramble. That's that's what I wanna do going forward. You know, we're just a big old family. There shouldn't be a reason why we look at smash smash games. Any different wanna fight you at eighty what yet row, we're more mostly robots opening Instagram when my wife is around is always a huge risk because I follow. And now I opened my answer has just like, but but. Okay. No, no one eats cucumbers. Just go. I'm nervous too. This is the first time I've ever done done a podcast with I really feel. It's feels weird. It's like why do I need the headphones if I'm right next to them? Yes. If you're screwing up and talking way out here. You'll know it. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. Hey, everyone. Welcome to smush cast today. I am joined by some some very wonderful people that I love very much Ari Takahashi and laser corn from the smash games. If you maybe heard of it heard, what's that smashed Garam? Smersh some dumb channel MHz. So yeah, there's there's I've gone a couple of comments just just a few being like, it doesn't matter. What I post on Twitter. If it's something about, you know. A war or cats more anything the the response. I get is. Whereas smashed games. Yes. What the hell I say, there's always some some person, and it has nothing to do with what I what I tweeted and there's like where smash games. Give smush. Gary comment, though. I'm very grateful for the demand this demand in the market demand. There's demand because smash games is wonderful and the people entered our wonderful, all your wonderful too. Yeah. So for those wondering smash games is coming back, April April tenth, we're just finding out now too. This is a wonderful surprise surprise. Don't have a choice. You have to. They will hold us at gunpoint. Awesome. Yeah. We're we're going to be playing mortal Kombat, which I am excited about. Yep. Zooms zero. I just I always call them zero. Yeah. I realize that mortal Kombat is one of the first games we played together. Do you remember old studio in Sacramento, the tiny tiny one of the first ones that we played together? And the wasn't the punishment the person that lost a fatality. Yeah. Like badly that it fatality. Just like whatever we could do in premier. I'm like, I could take his head off and Atta blood affect. Yeah. Yeah. I remember that it didn't look that. Great. But it was really funny. Wasn't me. I yeah. I think so. Yeah. I think fatalities the moon in my thinking, the different video that was the high five that was the announcement video. That was the announcement video on clever games was it back when so which is gone now, you can't find dude I went to look up the other day sorry to change topics. The the turn that come my phone off. I thought I the only professional here. I think so I just don't know where my phone. All the videos are gone clever games. You can't find smash takes over clever games anymore. Get someone erased it so not mud. Yeah. We got machina. Oh, no. They came for us. You know, what have been funny if somebody after the defy closure? Somebody bought clever games. Ever happened. Yeah. That could be their rebranding. Because there was there was a company that came in and like bought all the trash that that didn't sell like there's like. Yeah. Whatever I'll take that. What other properties? Do they have that? We're like not that they weren't focused on. I mean, they had break which used to be a really popular right website. And they still have girl dot com. Yeah. They had girl which is like a really good website and just like the your Alice. Oh, good also had had teen dot com. And when you are L. Yeah. So we wind up a porn site is. So this is the thing. Okay. So so this is the thing when when I was working on the process of polling smash shout myself. I was able to see all the things that defy owned. And then I had the ability to bid or add things to the bid for smash. So with that there was a ton of your L's that they owned. Some of which were defy sucks dot com. Really, which we got no choice. Oh, man. I essential for that breaks dot com. We got a lot of really sexist weird Urals that I'm guessing came from like the break era. Like, we got this website. I think we got the website chicopee DEA dot com, and there's also Asian chicks chicopee DEA that I think we also got hey, I want that one. I wanna run it yoke. I don't think we've birthday coming. We own the Urals, but we don't we haven't done anything with it. But we thought it could be fun to do something with all these bad your Urals like it's so gross, man. I think they come from. I think they come from the breakside break, basically built a business off of. I mean, most of it was sexist content where it's like two thousands humor. It really just was. And it's crazy. How far we've comments at short amount of time. Just hell like I mean woke people got, you know, and it's just like it happened fricken quick break was a gigantic website. It was massively successful a lot of it was a lot of like prank content, bro. Content like fairly. Yeah. Fails that kind of stuff used to watch fail compilations. But I think at the end there was one person running the website. Oh, really? Yeah. I'm not I can't speak mass. Holy to that. But yeah, I it's crazy to see something that was so big, you know, become. Some like noth- irrelevant. Basically like, I I went to their Twitter, and they get like six likes on there. So it's it's very strange. And I think I think that also goes into websites aren't really like a thing anymore the read it. But if you think about it like, what are you ready to Facebook Twitter? Yeah. It's all broken down into social media. Yeah. Here's here's my question. Did you get the rights to blacks, mosh dot com? As I think there's a lot of potential do. That's good question. I should look into that. Yeah. Also other spent look if we're doing spin offs like that smash dad dot com. There's only one of us. It would just be me. And my kid. Yeah. Excuse me. I am daddy's Marsh what? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. People that call you daddy. On the kind of people you true. Probably true main toddlers. But it is it is kinda strange like how how you know, you're this giant internet. And now it's become so whittled down to just a few properties that are massively successful like even like even smash dot com. Like it was like we had insane. Like visit numbers like back in the day. Like, we when like articles were thing and that just became more and more irrelevant. So when when it came time to, you know, restart smash after defy it didn't really make sense to me to devote like time and effort and money into a website. Which was like, here's some funny pictures, I think it has to be something flooded with content consistently like we've gotten so used to the red it sort of things like even Twitter feed sort of thing where were bartered with stuff. And if it's not that it's too slow for the average. Consumer nowadays. Yeah. Think of another website. I go to regular night of the big one. That's right. And you talk about a monopoly. I mean that is just taken over the there's only there's only a few websites that I go to aside from the obvious Twitter Facebook Instagram like like I go to Qatar who every once in a while. I'm like, oh, what's happening video games? And I go to like Jellab, Nick whenever I want to be like, oh, what's what's going on cars? Yeah. That's about it. I'll still go to rock paper shotgun occasionally. But yeah, it's like if I just wanna read a review, and I don't wanna watch it. And I want to skim through my two parts I care about I'll actually go to a review site. But yes, I from that. I'm just like, I probably find something I need on YouTube or something. Yeah. Even like gaming journalism like I feel like that's kind of dying like it's becoming more and more relevant because people will just go to they'll just go to metacritic and just kind of look at it or they'll go to their favorite youtuber and see what see what they have to say about it like more people rely on video game donkey than. How got game don't gamespot. Yeah. I wonder how much it's like cherry-picking for our generation to. But you know, I also feel like if you're subscribed to the Wall Street Journal, or you know, like entrepreneurs something you're getting those every day, and you're kind of more in the circuit of like reading stuff every day. I feel like for most people we just cherry-pick whenever there's something. Interesting to us in that moment because. Yeah. Like the last time I read anything on co tacos probably a couple of weeks ago. And it was just only because of the what was it called the UB soft all-girls group. Oh, I don't. I don't know this. Oh. I can't chicks has something like that. But yeah, it was the demise. What does this? They they only play Ubisoft games. But there it was a Ubisoft sanctioned all women's group, and they weren't necessarily like east career. Go to vents mostly all gaming stuff. Melanie Mak was actually part of it early on. I remember they had a really cringely like announcement video right? I don't remember. I I just know that it was Ubisoft sanctioned. And then a few years went by and they just no longer had the support and it was really early on. I just wonder if there's going to be something like that. Again. I think it happens in small doses. But yeah, that was just something that was it's called frag dolls. Thank you. Kevin Kevin our producer coming in with the with the knowledge. Kevin pedia dot com dot one. Yeah, we're gonna call that. Now, we're going to call it heaven PD. Let's consult Kevin pedia quick. Thank you so much. I should have been doing the research, myself my bad. Yeah. You got the laptop frag dolls. I didn't think I've heard that name. But I never associated it with Ubisoft. I didn't either I thought it was just like a group of growth gamers, and I thought they were cost players are they not I don't think just just past players. Yeah. Okay. I got it wrong. I don't know what I'm talking about any Melanie Mak caused places Lara Croft. Sometimes is her. Okay. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's weird gaming gaming's. Also, become very singular in the fact that you know, the rise of fortnight has sort of made it a thing where there can only be one can only be one game. And like, I feel I hope apex. Does does better. It's because it came out strong. It's overtake them. Yeah. I see all these memes too. It's like, no, everyone stopped wishing for the demise of fortnight because all the thirteen year olds are playing fortnight, and we can enjoy eight ledge. That's that's what it's it's kind of marketing itself as the adult fortnight leave the kids over there playing fortnight, and we'll play APEC and to be clear. I don't think fort nights bad game. It's just not for me. Like, there's nothing more frustrating to me than going to shoot someone and having a clear line of sight and getting like one shot off. And then a wall instantly appears in front of me, I'm like absolute opposite built a wall to protect myself. And the worst thing for me is somebody trying to break that down. I just don't like that person. Breaking the wall that I just made down shoot you're supposed to be shooting. Yeah. No, I made myself like a safety net. I want to stay there. Don't shoot at it. Also, no one can build a wall fast. I know what video that's thing. Even I just wish it wasn't a wall. I just wish it was like a light shield or something like more believable than I instantly brick and mortar is more realism in my fortnight. Yeah. It's a stupid complaint. I know I just I just don't I'm just not like a huge fan of it like, and when it comes to competitive online shooters, I've just pretty much like given up on them. It's not good enough to play them. Yeah. That's the issue 'cause you know, Lear adults, and we have you know, things that we have to do with our lives. We don't have five hours every day. Like when I was fifteen for sure, I would I would have that time to get good at it. But now, you know, I got I got real life stuff that I gotta worry about. So I don't have the five hours to every day to train on fortnight to, you know, Merck foles. But yes, thank newbs or whatever the kids are saying. But what is that? That's what those kids I say short kids. Yeah. It's interesting to gauge how fortnight is doing by asking my seven and nine year old nephews because they were on it like as soon as I really big with ninja and all that stuff, and they were right on top of it. And they're super obsessed in the in the in the way that like little kids are able to absorb information is so crazy because they know like every single gun every single weapon in and it's still like really hot for for kids. It's still the number one. I wonder if back in the day when I was like super into halo. If me talking about halo constantly was was like if there was an older generation that was like, oh my God this. Hey, I can't wait for this. Halo fed die out. I wonder if there was that. And I just never noticed them to a degree. But I think four nights clips. Yeah. Just the access to the game is unprecedented. You can get it on mobile. The XBox PlayStation. You get switch. Yeah. So literally anything that has a screen and buttons you could play fortnight on and it's free. Yeah. So there's there's not a sixty dollar like, you know, gate that's holding you back from playing it so many generations because I know my brother started playing it as research for his kids to see if it was appropriate not and he's completely obsessed and he only plays on mobile because he's always on the road mobile. Just seems like the word though. Yeah. I would I would never even try. I think we'll win. What? Mobile. Maybe I don't know just seems like it would be so much harder. I don't play many mobile games at all really I used to play heart stone, and I just got final fantasy tactics on mobile because I missed that one. And I'd like I'm like, oh, this is a cool game. Then I can go back and play on mobile but other than that. I don't have to games. And then I have a kindle full of books and like an eighty five year old lady. My solitaire match three game. Hardcore games my mobile game is scrolling through Instagram and hoping that I don't accidents double like like a hot, girl and Instagram. Game. Yeah. Tough game with injury. So risk high scrolling through your feet or you're like, okay, don't accidentally Twitter. Thumb on this on this photo. It's the scariest when you're looking at really old photos of somebody like if you've just gone way down years later never done that. I've never done it on accident. But it's like, it's really scary super. Yeah. Opening Instagram when my wife is around is always a huge risk because I follow them conventions, or whatever and I'll follow you on Instagram. And now I opened my answer just like butts. Okay, skirling. Here's. We should game affi- we should like have to mess with each other. Well, one person scrolls through on your own account. And it'll be like really embarrassing it'll be like scrolling through like an Xs like Instagram or something, and if people mess around with you. Oh, no. I've said it, and I don't wanna do it. Terrible idea at this out. Mcgrane if it's somebody else do. Yeah. Corny up opened up her phone next to me when we were waiting at YouTubers react. And it was like straight up girl lingerie first thing it was like really Courtney. She's like I follow this person. But she doesn't normally make the post these photos. This is this is she's never done this before. Sure. I have like no shame. I'm like you. Do you? Great job. Well done. Good for you. Do you guys have do you have a dummy Instagram account that you used a follow people that you don't want people to know that you follow? Hey used to have one. But I lost the passwords and now I don't have it on. Oh, it's kind of sad. But I feel like I had like to like to to sexy girls on that one. And then a lot of like baking like DIY stuff. I I know the baking. Yeah. That was your dummy because I didn't want to send the wrong signal 'cause I don't cook. I like watching other people. So it's just so that was just burns and bundt cakes. Yeah. Yes. Cookies and tits. I can't think of it. There was no alliteration there. Oh, this Bubis, boom. Yeah. Taffy sons and funds buns abundant buns. Yeah. I did it. I don't know. How the hell we got onto that. None of these subjects that we talked about. We're on your piece of paper. I know you piece of paper that I posted on the front of my laptop. What have you been to over these over these several months? Yeah. Well, I've been getting fat. So that's yeah. Yeah. Team fat Greg shout to kinda funny. Greg miller. You have a great excuse though, your daddy debt, which is the ultimate excuse to get fat. Yeah. I gotta get that dad going except for like Joe Beretta like Bruins shatters, the whole allusion. He's like, oh, yeah. Well, I got some kids and he takes shirt off the band's built like a twenty two year old so jealous raising a kid doing that. I've been I flew to New York, I checked out the rockstar headquarters recently. Oh, cool. And yes. Streamed with those guys played six a little what Shelvin eight the NDA's. No. They didn't show me anything. Cool. Sure. Winking at laser those that are listening right now not watching on actually six. There's no so mad though six that's gonna be building. They they probably are building. It's base. No. Oh, man. It was All Saints row ish and like mixed all that. I wouldn't be mad at all. Do you gotta go back to being a little more goofy? They probably won't ever. I think they kind of said that that was the previous generation now, they're they're leaning more towards realism. Yeah. I'm excited to see what they do next. But I did not get any sneak peeks, and I did a foam on the other night phone glow. Run with the rave, no. It's like you run and you run through foamy things shoot foam on you. And the phone close. What's it's hard to explain and the Nickelodeon kids choice oria? No. It's these things you could sign up for it. Like people put together runs and you pay and then they glow, and they had a bunch of black light. So the glossy stuff reacts with the black lights. It's a real thing. I've yeah. Is a five K so thousand miles. Yeah. Exactly what that means in mile the case. So I did that with with Odem of the web seven. Yeah. And Justin, and my wife, and it was fun. Nice of the warp zone. You made it sound like he's like a game of thrones character first of its kind. Yeah. They I'm actually going new after this after we do our mortal combat thing I'm actually going to to warp zone who are shooting literally four minutes from here. And I'm gonna do I'm gonna do video with them too. So. Yeah. Hell, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, they were rescued from the pits of defame also rescue. Yes, we yeah. We pulled them out. I'm glad they're coming back. Yeah. Man. Oh, love those guys. They're awesome. Yeah. Really funny. Yeah. Can't wait to see what they do. We're just talking about this last night. But every year when game of thrones comes back. They always do a, you know, last season wrapup and like game thrones. Like next season is coming up, and they they haven't done the wrap up. I don't know what happened that last season. Oh, there's still time before the the first episode. Well, there's still time. There's hope I'll tell them. I'll be like March says you have to do even if they don't like posted up on on on video. No your house lie live show the warp zone live right in your in your living room. Now back to the foam run. What is the foam made out of look we don't ask this question. I don't know. It's like bubbles foam like. So road is just full of bubbles will they know they have specific sprayers you go under that spray foam bubbles on you. And then the bubbles are infused with the stuff that reacts with black lights going into. Glad you went through a car wash. And you're calling it a five K what was five K of. It wasn't five K of all foam. Some of it was just running through a parking sounds like a drug trip version of Holly. What I can't believe you guys have never heard of like clean your body with the phone. Did you just cover your car, and it was no leading you just run through it? What no was my car covered. Now. By the time, we got to the very end we were mostly dry because you're running. So you kinda dry off. So we were mostly dry, and then other people's phone get on you other people have swopped home. All right. No. There was no there's no phones. Just like that. We can't we can't just we can't just simply run anymore. We have to like make a game out of like there's like one we get chased by zombie zombie that one home runs there's rock rock and roll runs where there's like bands every every mile or doing this. I don't I don't see you doing is it colorful foam rainbow. So when it comes out of this Maury this when it comes. White bubbles. It looks like bubble bath. Okay. When it hits you. But then it has black light stuff in it. So that when you run under the black lights you like turn colors, isn't it doesn't it just turn colors if it's white because doesn't white react to black late. Or is it like a different kind of know, it'll but this stuff like turned red. This is killing him. Like, it is is there so dead. What? Mari. Having you explain. Yes, mari. What have you been? Homerun? Have you done any fun runs? No. Did you do run with a shot at you? The only running that I've been doing is inside airports for from trying not to miss my flights. You've been literally this past year. How many countries do you think you've been to? Oh, gosh. I wish I prepared in counted. I don't know. I think I've been back to Japan like four or five times a year. So yeah, I last this past month. What mother win March we and more journal. Yeah, March I think I'm home for seven days out of the entire month. My God woman. I don't know why we rent for an apartment. That's nuts. Yeah. So lots of travelling Airbnb your place should but it's legal to can't do that with the Bartlett's rights. Yeah. So I've been up to lots of traveling lots of working for travel or traveling for work. Something I got to do a couple of weeks ago, which is really fun was lobby congress. Oh, yeah. It was for NASA. Yes. So I went on behalf of Bill Nye's organization. Planetary society to talk to our state, senators and California about just being a private citizen and being interested in space and space, advocacy and putting humans back into flight. And really just being like Hello. I'm just a person in the state, and I'm interested. I think that congress should continue funding NASA. So Bill Nye approach you to do. No Bill Bill has a team that allows for people to sign up to learn how to do this. So they put you through training and stuff too. Sure. That that you're not gonna go in there and. When you go in there. And like we want you to sign this Bill, Phil. How you do it that seems like it would be an effective strategy nothing about lobbying. But if I had to guess, I guess that's how it goes. I think there was a really huge lost opportunity. Come in with that pitch. 'cause you're gonna kill it. You hear that night? Get me. I'll push your initiatives through congress. It was. It was just a really cool experience something that I never thought that I was important enough to do. And I think it's a reminder that like as US citizens were very privileged to be able to do it. So if you care about something, you can do it go do it. So that's yeah. It's good stuff in your. I mean, you're super indisp- ace stuff. I'm but I'm not an expert. Right. I'm not an engineer. I like I don't have a BS like a bachelor of science like I I'm a fan. But it by no means am I some sort of expert. Can I have a few questions though? Is it true that there's more than fifteen miles of space out there more than fifteen mile? What I hear, you know, I believe it's true that there's more than fifteen miles of space is she knows things is this a flatter. This is a resource we have access to flatter thing. What I I don't know what shape there is. I assumed it was some sort of cube. Is it not that? It's a cute for you and not a fly. I just play. Okay. Real life. Right. Yeah. Yeah. This definitely edges too. Yeah. Yeah. Don't get too close to that. Good. If you punch a a pig. He get just nice little pork chop. Yeah. Yeah. With something. That's on fire. It'll already come cooked. Hey, look that. Really? Yeah. Never gone onto a farm. Just a flaming accent just hack. Oh, I thought you meant in the game. And. Wait, their flaming weapons in mind drift. Now, you can light a stick. I think on what you can have a torch beat it with torch. I've never done that. Yeah. You can have its cooks. Can you hit things with a torch? I thought you could only place them. No you. We need to get back into fact checks by by the comments on on our Minecraft think after many for years, no. It's no use for us to know this. We don't pay attention that all when we're playing. No because I'm just trying to make sure that my stuff doesn't get blown up, and I'm just trying to blow up your stuff. Yeah. Constant of like point of panic. I remember the recipe for TNT. And that's all that matters. Gunpowder just like routing. Everybody's. Yeah. That's the best part of the game. That's very laser corner. Yeah. That's why they made the game. And speaking speaking of your name your name laser corn. It's I think it's very strange that I've called you by your by your real name, maybe twice in my life. Why would you do then referring like it's very strange talking about you people that don't know smush games because I'm like well. Dave. But yeah, I don't think. Yeah. I do. I honestly do because. Yeah. But I always have to explain it to people. I'm like, okay. So like he goes by laser corn? I don't have time to get into it. But but that's just what I call them. That's what everyone calls him. I guess, but it's very strange calling you by your by your real name. No. And even me when I introduced myself to people I have to take a second. And think about what context I'm in. I'm like is this a social context where these people don't know me as a corridor is this like a gaping thing should introduce myself as laser corn and a lot of times when when people like, oh, what's your name? I'm like and that out it's like because they're like you have to think about your name like who pauses who pauses to think about what name they're going to give people. There's YouTubers who have an alternate persona. And then there's serial killers who have who have made a new identity for themselves, and they had to think about a second. Larry. Yeah. Not that guy that killed a bunch of people in that other county, not Greg Larry. That you just have an existential crisis. Every time in happens, and you just have fear in your eyes. What's your name question? What is my real name? I should just chain legally changed my name delays Aucoin and be done with it. Yeah. I would just only introduce myself as laser coin first name laser last name corn. Yeah. And then like force your wife and your baby. Yeah. To my parents, gather corns. Yeah. Tyler Tyler coin. Kit. People do call them him that in the comments, I still call him baby nine baby anymore. Baby corn is so delicious. I love me because very delicious. Yeah. Yes. That's cute. Two hundred look like a little corner lacob baby corn. Yeah. I'm not sure. I know what you're talking about you, eat Chinese food. It's always in Chinese food. Oh, maybe corns Kearns. Oh, yeah. Okay. Know. Yeah. Yeah. Does it get so small, it's magical? They just pick it before it grows up in into adult court pull it out a preschool cook it alive God. I don't think. Going back to it. I don't think I've ever called you, Dave. And when I refer to you even to total strangers. I always say laser corden without skipping a beat. It's until they're like, wait. Your friend's name is laser corn. And I'm like, yeah. He's got a tattoo and then figures. Let's just move on. Yeah. But yeah, don't call me. Dave don't do it. Yeah. Leeza Cornyn yet done FIS broom. Yes. I should ask about that. Or should we just move on? No just move on. Okay. Great. How long do you think you're going to keep the the orange hair? The I don't know home. You know, this probably our our hairstylist we go to the same person. It's moving is she real low. No, I just I. See Nashville Nashville Godhre, you guys ever get your hair colored ever again because nobody else does that no way. Well, this is the last time you're going to see us lettuce. But no other people do, but I'm like is this a sign should I transition back to my natural hair color. I don't know I have considered transitioning back to Brown. I might just find someone else in and do crazy colors again. But this might be the moment where I'm like. Okay, hairstyles is leaving. Maybe it's time to go back to Brown. Maybe it's time for this Marshall Mathers finally give up slim, shady, I dunno. I haven't I haven't decided yet. But if I if I was going to transition back to Brown, probably sometime this summer, it would happen. But there's a there's probably an equal chance. I was just gonna stay crazy colors. Yeah. About you. Are you keeping it? Yeah. I'm staying purple. Okay. A it's really easy because I don't have to go in for like two and a half months, and then I just get to be lazy, and it's still Goeller. It is it looks very cool with color. It's my whole identity. Don't forget that your identity solely rests on. How you look. That's true. Let them be a message to everyone. That's listening our appearances, the only truly matters. You know, what's so cute, though, you'll love it. Because you love my dad when my hair was Brown after the wedding last year, my dad's like when are you gonna go purple again, and like mind, you my parents are like really conservative. So whenever I started to dye my hair they were like freaked out last year right after this. My dad goes winter you gonna try purple Dowd. You think as you go purple, and he goes, yeah. It's your branding. Wow, dad dad, I have a similar story. I went home for my brother's wedding. And I didn't tell him doing this. But I went back to Brown for his wedding. Because I'm like it's his wedding day. I don't wanna be drawing attention to myself when you know, he should be the focus, and I so I doubt it Brown. And I went back, and I'm like, yeah. I did it because you know, I was his best man. I'm like, I don't wanna take the attention off. You looked at me goes don't like it should stay laser. I should've ran it by him. I actually looked and what's pounding. I know you're angry. Yeah. I actually tried to find someone to diet before the wedding dieback because that's what he wanted. But I couldn't get someone to do. No one had the color on such short notice. So I couldn't do it. So I went round, but always check with your loved ones. If you're changing your hair color, especially for an event that they they are they're in control of because they don't always want you change in your color. I like imagining you being in Cleveland, Ohio being like, no, I want my hair to be like a flame or jammed showing pictures like this new super. Yeah. They're just staring at me like what what happened. I wanna look like, I'm torching. I love. I love the color, and if you kept it forever. I would not mind. I would actually be really interested to see eight-year-olds laser corn with still you know, what I would do is. I would die gray into it, which I'm actually my do. I wanna go like kind of old man corn grey at the temples, gradually, get grayer, more and more gray. And even my natural hair isn't great just like to make me, look more distinguished. I had an interesting thought the other day. What's? So we Peten I visited his grandma's like old folks home, and you know, it's it's like your typical old folks home that you can like imagine you shit. And stuff like that. You know, it's one of the saddest, you know, it's one of the saddest things about those places when you see just an old person eating alone at the table, and you're like oh. Oh, God that's going to be me one day. So, but the thing is Pete. Now, we're talking are generations old folks home is probably going to rock like don't you think that like there's some entrepreneurs out there? Who's getting ready for us to be like eight years old who's going to be like, okay, we're going to have yoga meditation. There's going to be like Instagram corners 'cause you know, we're going to be eighty and we're still going to be on social media. So I feel like Arjun rations old folks homes going to be sick. But you do realize that Arjun ration- isn't going to have the money for that Beth. That's my retirement plan need money. That's patriotic is for patriots from my retirement home, pay for my retirement home. Oh. Oh, just can. Still doing 'cause play as like a eight year old. She'll still be hot. Probably I feel like by. Then we're gonna have robot parts anyway. Yeah. She'll be mostly robot. And it'll be awesome. Yeah. I really I just want some strong legs. I can do some hero jumps off the third or like a building one just one big strong robot legs. All right. Yeah. My my retirement plan. I don't want to do an old folks home because you're that's putting me in a situation with more people. I'm already the older, I get the less. I like people. My retirement plan is to move out to a cabin in the woods that has internet. And just like, you know, when become a murderer no become a way is. I mean, if someone shows up on my property, yes. But mostly be a hermit and just not interact with humanity as much as possible. And then, you know, my wife's like what if you need medical attention or something what if you fall down and can't get up. I'm like, well, then it was my time to go and like maybe a barrel. Get me because that's the coolest way to go out. No, no. It's not the way to go eaten by a bear. I don't think Reaser disagree horrifying want. Your dad know what that is scary. Look, it's going to be scary. But then your tombstone reads went out fighting a bear. But wouldn't you want your instead read Beata bear in a in a wrestling match and survived to a very long age. What what that would involve fighting a bear? When I was younger like I'm not gonna win at eighty. Hey, hey, don't get down on yourself things. You think I could beat a Barrett eighty I'm gonna thanks robots. That's true. I'll be mostly. Okay. So maybe I'll win. But anyway, I wanna fight you at eighty what we're more mostly robots. I'm in who you know. We should do is. Remember that that MEK we got not got the MEK. They let us drive, dude. When we're when we're older we should buy some ourselves when the price comes down when they get a little cheap. It's cheaper. It's time goes on. Battle. I am so down neck battle doing it. You wanna you wanna be the NC? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Check back with us guys in fifty years on smart games for Mari versus laser corn. Mech battle senior L. Back battle. Yeah. Senile MEC battle rules. Not all nettle match battle. Geriatric MC battle love it. Battle. I think we're onto something. So we won't even we won't even die in a retirement home throw. That's how I wanna go. This is even better than the bear thing. We are gun now. Now are now my tombstone will read died in a MEK family one. One can't get any better than that mech robot t shirt right now awesome. Madani? It was. So so speaking of old people Mari. You're you're gonna visit your grandma in Japan. Oh, yeah. She's turning one hundred years old. I'm seeing. Yeah. On April first, but like, April, Fool's day, doesn't exist Japan. So there's no like weird day for that. I think about that. Think about that. I'm actually thirty. What's that would mean? Negative nine years old that math doesn't it doesn't. Check us see going back to Japan. So that'll be like your like one millionth time this year going. No, I don't even plan to go back to Japan. But it keeps calling me back. Yeah. It's gonna be a cute little celebration. The mayor of the town is coming. She gets a little certificate from him. Congratulations. You'll oldest shit. Feel like just par for Japanese people. It's like, oh, you're a hundred there's like a thousand one hundred people in Japan, but she lives way up north in Japan, which is kind of like like the way south of the United States. She's kind of like in the dirty south. If you guys know boom, how're from king. King of the hill. Sh- her Japanese accent is kind of equivalent to how boom har- talks where it's like, it's so it's such a twang. You don't even understand what she's saying. Yeah. That's great. She's a cucumber farmer. What? Yeah. Why you love cucumbers? That's your dream. Yeah. To just be surrounded by cucumbers all day. That's not as you wanna do when you when you refer to eating cucumbers. No, no one eats cucumbers. And then just. Sorry. You just listening to podcast are spared. His gesture thankful. Sorry. Don't watch. Is that that was just your go-to? Think about. Cucumbers. How do you? How do you guys eat? Now, just just raw dogging cucumbers. Yeah. It's probably why I love cucumbers because whenever I used to visit her I would run into the the greenhouses and just pick up cucumbers off the ground and eat them. That's why immune system is so health wash them personally. I didn't. And they were like this little tiny green frogs on them all the time too. And they're all over the greenhouse. So I would just sit in there with all these little tiny, frogs everywhere, and they'd be like all over my legs and stuff and I'd collect them. And then he cucumbers crown okay? So so you see your diet when you visit is like half cucumber a quarter dirt and a quarter frog shit. And like there's time. Oh, no. That's why I always hallucinated. The nine year old trip out in balls on Apolo cucumbers. So then she's up north like you had your your wedding down south and Tokyo you've been killed. Oh, like, what's what's your favorite kind of like area Japan? I take any excuse. I can go back twice. I'd still say Tokyo. So cool like been there sewing times like we've explored so much of Togo, and there's still so many nooks and crannies that like we haven't explored. But I keep hearing that Osaka is kind of like the silver lake more like like town. Yeah. Or like, a Portland or something, you know, like people really like care about their coffees. There's a lot of young people there. I haven't really seen a lot of those costs. Maybe this time. We will. I would love to go to a soccer because I've heard a lot about it. But I haven't haven't been there. That's like that town is calling you your hips, hipster Ville in a just thinking with all my Japanese hipsters. Yeah. Yeah. I'll take any cease to go there because they also I know in Sokha, you know, scrolling through my Instagram. It's it's mostly food. There's this like cheesecake. Wobbly gigli cheesecake that I saw that that they sell in somewhere. No Sokha this and it's like a wobble. But the whole can you smack it? Yeah. Cheesecake AS. And the way they make it as like a sign on the the restaurant no having sex with the cheesecake. Please Madam American pie. We've see we we'd see what you Americans do desserts. Not in our establishment. And of course, like, the it's like in typical like Japanese fashion like the way that they make it is like incredibly like precise and fast, and like officiant like the way that they like they have like they whipped up poured into these like little like multi molds. But it's like perfect every time like zero drips as I do. And then the come out looking amazing, and I want it so bad. Yeah. You're obsessing over it last time. He didn't get it. I know because we we went past it because we were in Tokyo. And then we went down to. Here's your mom Shema who that's a that's a weird. That's a weird place because like I didn't know such a huge acidy. Like, it was almost like it was almost like a middle finger to the US to be like, oh like you guys decimated. Well, we're just going to make this place like three four times bigger than it. Once was it's a huge city and no idea so big and then like the the buildings that got affected by Tomic bomb are still like as intact as possible. And it's just so like in the epicenter of the entire city. It's very sad. And hopeful at the same time, you feel that wherever you go in the city. Yeah. You feel the weight of it because we we walked through that area. There's domed building. That was it was right below the explosion. So because he explosion happens like in the air didn't know because they detonated air. Yeah. Well, the fucked up thing is that the reason they do that is so it has a wider spread. So centrally like, the the, you know a nuclear bomb. It's not the it's not the blast force that is deadly. It's the heat because you're centrally creating a son for like one second. Right. So it'll burn everything. But because this like domed building was directly below it. The blast went straight down in the structure actually held in place. So they kept that structure there sort of like a memorial to the to the, you know, people. But it's that's crazy. Yeah. I didn't know the nuts. I would like to go to Japan at some point to check it out. I got a translator right here. Man. Yeah. They don't work. I guess I did kind of us translator. It's hard not to because I wanna like me Rahman, but also. Everybody in the in the cities like most people understand English. Like, even if they say, they don't speak English. They do they just don't want to because they're embarrassed imperfect. No, I don't speak any English. Really? Because that's an sounded. Good yet. Surprising. I just I don't speak any English at all. Kojima like he he spoke he used to speak English at some like the presentations than it wasn't like the best English, and he got embarrassed. So he said he would he wouldn't do it again. I didn't know that. But I will say one thing about her Hsina though, or here Shema Okinawa Miaki. Oh. Oh, dude. It's weird pancakes. How do you explain it? So it's like you. I mean, it's like a savory pancake. It's gonna get the ingredients wrong, but like Russia style. Okinawa Miaki is like you have a base of -lica- like a batter. Right. And so they they make this giant Griddle? So they do like the batter and then they have like Yawkey soba noodles, and they have like a layer of that. And then they you know, you can do different kinds of things with it. But what we did was like, pork. And then all-stars because like officers here Shema thing, and then then a li- then like an equal kind of like flat layer of like AIG. So they crack an egg the kind of whip it up and they make in the shape of like a pancake. They put that on top. And then they get the QB. Man is. And then they got that black sauce. I don't know what the black sauces, and he's like an oyster fish sauce. Yeah. And then they got like green onions, and dude it is so good. And and I, you know, coming back to LA like LA pretty much has any kind of food you can think of. But now, it's really hard to find her Schmidt style. Okinawa Miaki because there's an Asaka style that sucks that sucks. You can usually find that you call it sucker. Oh my God. Plastered. This man is not invited to this city dead or alive. Dead started. It man, I was just hi I was just hype manning you. Yeah. But I I became I became an evangelist for Okinawa meow. He after after that experience, and I've been looking I've been looking for it. There's there's maybe two places that I've found in LA that that make it like that it's hard to find it. It's not very well known. I keep thinking like man if like if people just knew if people knew and somebody opened a restaurant that did Okinawa Miaki would kill I feel like it would be a shit show doing it ourselves. But she gets slack like tap on yucky grill that big like like one of those like portable ones, we can try it. Yeah. We yeah. Sure. Video if the restaurant fails at least, we'll get some videos out of yet. Yeah. Yeah. I think I think benching with Babich did did one. Yeah. We could do it. Yeah. Cook, by the way. So I don't know what I'm saying no way, I'm hearing. Tearing you guys do. Harder supervise she'll eat shine it. So if the viewers our listeners happen to come across personal style, hockey, say definitely definitely give it a shot. And if you have drinking age, it's nice paired with little little longer Berg. You know action. Yeah, I like dice ginger beer. I don't know why you would ruin the taste with a beer, you're ruining the taste of ginger out the best. It's good for your Tom to. Did you grow up eating ginger though? Yeah, japanese. Yeah. I like ginger dressing on salad. You are ginger to right now. I am very true. You like yourself. It's wanted. Pour myself all over some salad. Well, okay. That's a little bit. Yeah. Far redacted? Say redacted. It's like declaring bankruptcies same thing. What what's like the cra-? Like what what do you think is the coolest place? What's a place that you would recommend people to because you've obviously Maariv been to so many places in the past couple of years. Like what would like, what's what's like? Okay. So what's a place for like if you're just look for chill vacation or a place for like exploring. You know, if you live in the United States, and you don't have a passport yet. And you're kind of like don't wanna go through the hoopla of all that stuff. Go to Hawaii. I like Hawaii like feels like it's halfway around the world because it is it's I mean from California it's not that far like four hours from California. No. But it feels like you're in a completely like jungle e different exotic gorgeous place, and then your phone works, your money works language works. So if you're a US American, I would I would I would say Hawaii is like your best shot of like feeling like you're really far away without having to put that much work into the process. Just don't do too many people. Yeah. Maui was awesome. Now. It was dope. And then coli was dope. Yeah. Yeah. We we picked the good islands. I went to a while who after and it's like, it's fine. There's like awesome. There's definitely awesome stuff there. The food's great. But there's just so many people. It's like you're you go to like this like places should be an island paradise. And then you like step out onto the street. And it's just always people like this isn't a paradise. This is just this feels like I'm walking through a mall react. Yeah. Yeah. Because there's a lot of just like people who actually live there, right? Hana? Lulu is a pretty big. Yeah. Big spat. Yeah. Hawaii just seems like when you're thinking about like a vacation to me. It always seemed like kind of a cop out because it is so easy. And you're like. I guess we're going to go to Hawaii like nothing. It's a bad thing. Like Hawaii is amazing. But I don't know like I want I want to go somewhere. I wanna go somewhere like cooler, but also I'm kinda lazy and I don't want to. I don't know. I'm also a little afraid of going to a place where where English is in like, the main language. Just give me too much anxiety. The thing is like it is such a privileged to know English because it is really the the language that is spoken ever everywhere around the world, there is still basic English pretty much anywhere that normal tourists go, and I feel like in so many ways like I don't know how that became the thing around the world that. Yeah. It's just like like it was like bullied almost where it's just like, what do you? What do you mean don't know English you'd better learn it, and it's like why we're in Honduras, its like this thing. But like, I've realized wherever I am in the world, you know, like, people know English, it's such a privilege to know it. So it's it's good to be reminded of it and be grateful for it. And just to understand that like you can go anywhere and say it, but at the same time, it's really important to be mindful of like, oh, this is not the prime language. I should at least know how to say. Thank you, please. And I'm sorry, right. It's travels. Good opens up. For sure, but you've always been traveling even before even before YouTube like you you climb mount Kilimanjaro you are doing like ice climbing you're running away from possible attacker. And was that Peru. In the dark of the night. But that was literally months before we first met. And I think, you know, it's one of these things where it's like, we'll never know. But I do feel like I was more of an interesting person because I travelled like I feel like you know, that I worst audition ever, you know, I went into it not knowing what the heck I was doing for the people listening that didn't see this. This was a video the Anthony I made where we were dishing people for smash bit weekly, which was the first video that wasn't going to feature us and Mari was one of the people those in the sorry. Go ahead. Yeah. It was random questions. Right. Like, what's your favorite Pok Mon? What would you bring to the end of the world? What's the weirdest thing? You've eaten I feel like I wouldn't have been like a well rounded worldly, interesting person to to have anything to bring to the table. Had. I not traveled. Because. Yeah. Because you said the the weirdest thing you ate was Guinea pig. Yeah. We're. Oh, yeah. And I know that you have one. Yeah. I think that's some barbecue sauce. Let's this hard. He's stuck. Some Guinea pig on the babbly. Yeah. I think that's one of the reasons why encourage people to travel because I'm like, I don't know if I would have like, you know, hit it off with you guys if head I just not been I don't like outside of like myself. You know what I mean? Like understood what it's like to just live. And so, you know, when I hear like my nephews my seven and nine year old nephew is being like, oh, I just wanna be YouTube or when I grow up, and I'm like be interesting. I like. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Now, behold person so that you have something to bring to the table. So that you don't go on a podcast and you're like oh. I don't have any experiences. You know? Time in fort. Yeah. Got a triple cute. I think you're totally hitting on something because. I think it is important to see how other people live, and like the most the most important part of being human is is is seeing is being able to place yourself in other people's shoes and understand that everyone has a different experience unless you go out there and see it for yourself. You might be missing, you know, at the same time, though, not everyone has the means to travel absolute. Yeah. And I would also I would also like recommend that people that are living in the US actually see other places in the US because it's a huge country. Like, we shouldn't we shouldn't be one country. We're not we're not a country of one kind of people. There you go around the US, and you will you will see very different people. So Ian, just said that we should not be one country, which means we should also citing revolution. Yes. So anyone out there? Any government agency is looking for people doing that this guy. Don't put me on a list. And remember, I'm on this end of the table. Leader, you'd be set your your like, I don't know what I want. But I just wanted to become laser core news with does. This mean, we get machetes. Look, I have nothing to do with this revolutions like wise, everything behind you on fire. That was there when I got. Fire city. I don't know what you're talking about. You can see the sign that I didn't just make now city. So it's been city for while. I think. Bethel wild. Everything is torched and woven. You would live there. But I think that I think that is super important. But yeah, you're totally right there. There's money there's money barrier for sure, you know. Luckily, there's there's ways to cut costs on travel. There's there's hostels. I never did. I did the hostile thing. Yeah. Yeah. Let's you have to kind of like keep your wits about you. But you gosh, there are some interesting people I stayed in a hostel in the ski town in France called Chamonix, and like everyone there was an ex Pat Mike they used to live in the United States. They had like families jobs corporate jobs, they had like like normal lives over here. And then they're like one day. I just up and left everything and I've been here for twenty five years. What would you do every day, and they're like why ski on the mount and that's a little bit of a privilege situation. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and then also like nobody way I have a rich dad. Yeah. It's weird. It's it's interesting. Yes. Certainly way there's a way to do it. But I do think it's a little a lot of Europeans criticize Americans for not traveling. Like, you realize this this thing called the ocean? Yeah. You take a train, and you're in a completely different culture, which I think is it's so cool. It's so cool. If anything don't do what I didn't spend your entire savings on traveling, which is one of the reasons why was taking so many jobs, which is probably how I ended up taking like smush gig in the first place because I was like, oh my gosh. I have nothing. I need a job. Yeah. Better. Just take anything. Well that worked out it worked out in a way words was never expected, which I think is like no, so cool. So so for everyone listening, all you have to spend all your money on travel. Workout you'll get picked up by YouTube channel and you'll you'll get brand deals and you'll be just fine. Terrible advice. That's that's my job. Here is terrible. Vice if it wouldn't be it wouldn't be the smash cast of it. Have any weird stuff was the weirdest story between you two that that involves both of us. Yeah. Oh, I have one. And this is pretty recent. I feel like this story highlights you in the best possible way. And I feel like it wraps up you perfectly. So it was your wife's birthday surprise party that you very successfully pulled off for her. And it was silent disco, which means that you wear headphones like this, and there's a DJ playing only music into your headphones, and no other music is going on. And so if you take it off, there's just no music and put it back on there's headphones everyone listens to the same song. And so you kind of dance around when you want to a headphones off, everyone looks crazy. Really? If you don't have it on. Okay. So I look over there's two channels on you're on on your headsets. He can either be on the blue general channel or the green channel and they have like different songs on. And so I get I go over and get some snacks or something. And I come back, and I look at this ocean of people everyone's dancing and having a great time. It's really cool. I've got their headphones on and like everyone's bopping kind of at the same time. Everyone has blue headphones and the one person in the ocean of people with green headphones is this guy. Playlist on the green channel. To the same rhythm everyone else when they clearly know that you're not listening to the same. I can't dance. I just I just mimic what other people are doing. That's I go through life. You're like, yeah. I'm having the same conversation as units like we're having a different over. I love it. Yeah. I mean, the story that immediately comes to mind for me is Maris various injuries. She was. She was in a hamster ball and wearing of gopro somehow managed to smack yourself in the face with the gopro ex- explain how this happened. Okay. So it's a giant human hamster ball that that that is blown up, and you're able to step inside of it and role in it. I don't know you guys probably had the brilliant idea of put a gopro on my head. And I did it needed the first person. I I view, but everyone else did it and was fine. Okay. Well, I have a very small head. I look a toddler size head my six. My my seven year old nephews beanie fits on my head. So very small head. I don't know why don't have a back of a head. But it's just it. It's like it's a straight line from my neck, and then it's my face. It's like a like a like letter D. Anyway, it's slid down right to the British of. I knows in that moment the monstrosity that Wes is. Oh, yeah. I don't know. I don't know why he shoulder checked it from the back. But that sent me flying into the front, and then nearly Brooklyn owes. We had you had a big ass. Cut on your. Yeah. Yeah. I had to Nelly it for like a week and a half band-aid on my face. Two. And then that night, there was a bunch of us partying it Jovan and west his place, and and we stayed up very very very very very very very late. Yup. And you're hanging out just kind of being like chaperone tell the kids the kids being us. And and then you went home like, I don't think slept on the flight that that morning, and you went back home. And you you you didn't feel right, right. You went to the doctor. You could tell this story because this is your story. Okay. Okay. So so I went to the ER because I was having headaches, and I do like a cat scanner C T scanner whatever you do for your for your head. And the doctor says gosh, did you go to sleep last night because you have a mal concussion, and I said, no actually might my my friends like kept me awake all night because you know, they were up and he. He's like while your friends saved your life. In my head, my dumb, friends or partying like I distinctly. Remember like was like Joe like you and Jovan were like wrapped in blankets on the corner like sofa. I think I was just like looking from afar. And I'm like are you guys? Okay. Like, I was just playing mom on that. But then to hear this doctor be like, your friend saved your life. As if this is like an Djelic thing happening, some altruistic thing they were doing. Have a good time being idiots. Partying saves lives. God, we're right air. Information and also don't play hamster balls with west gag could kill you. I feel like he's a sweet boy. And then all of a sudden he has like a fit of anger, and he's like. Let's shoulder check this hundred pound girl in a hamster ball. Stuff bench. That's the part two of that story. Totally forgot. Yeah. Yeah. The part where you almost died. Yeah. That's the moral of the story. If you think you have a concussion don't go to sleep that night party. No, why can't both be true? Fine finance. I thought I read that you're not more likely to die if you're asleep. You're just more likely to die. No one notice. Well, like if you. I forget the what I read. But it's like if you enter a state where you like you're you are going to die from your concussion like if you're awake people notice they'll be like, hey, why did you suddenly slumped over asleep? You just keep being sleep Yeah. So it's like people actually not so. Yeah, that's why they tell you say, wait, I think or it could be totally wrong. Someone fact check me I'd love to be wrong neurologist out there hit us up and any questions about space markan answer them. Yeah. The help of billing. Yeah. Yeah. There there's there's over seventy two stars in space to write. Jalen, one of them is named after you laser going. There's a laser coin star. It's not I oh, but I figured would lie about space. I was trying to gauge your excitement because if you're really excited, I would buy it for your birthday, but moral combat comes out on your birthday think. So. Nope. I needed laser star happen. Just a you guys. Now, speaking of mortal combat we got we got early access to mortal Kombat eleven so we're going to be we're gonna be playing it before anyone else. Does. New luck. So we all pretty excited. So please if you're not yet subscribed to smash games, please do that. And and for the heck of it. Just watch a bunch of videos just just get back up to speed. You know, it's it's a new life for smash games. I'm very very very excited. One of the one of the sort of big things with with mush games was win win the whole like defy thing happened. We were sort of because like I sort of became a little bit separated from small sh- games like towards the end with with defy just like I was so heavily focused on like main channel. And I didn't realize like all of the fucker, shall we say that defy had with with smashed gains and one of one of defies like sort of one of their one of their plans for like their idea of and this actually kind of also went for smashes. Well, they're like we just need young hot people to to be on these channels, and we'll just get rid of all the old people because they treated it like Disney, and and that's not how the internet works that worked out really well for that source fed Janelle. Oh, man. Everyone and replace them with now this nerd, yeah. It was that went over saw they deleted that deleted that because it was too. Yeah. So like defy, you know, in in so many words was not not necessarily forcing you know, the. Oh jeez out, but they weren't making it easy for you guys to stay around. And I was only so much aware of this because I was just fully focused on like the main channel creative stuff. I I didn't realize how much you know. Bad stuff was happening over there. So win win defy, you know collapsed. And I started talking all you guys. I was 'cause like with smush made. It was very obvious. What we're gonna do. We're just gonna keep going at it. But then I started talking to you guys. I was like oh this happened. This happened. This happened on my God. This is fun. And so like, you know, my one of my priorities was like smoshing smush gains shouldn't be like a separate thing. Like, it should just be smashed like, the there shouldn't be a reason why we look at smash smash games any different, you know. It's just uh playing games over here. Like there shouldn't be so much of a separation. That's that's what I wanna do going forward. You know, we're just a big family USC new faces. You're gonna see old faces you're going to see people. You don't normally see on smash games from like main smash and some videos on smash games and vice versa. It's just gonna be a big ole family. And I think that's what it should have been in the first place, and that's what it was in the first place, but it just got kinda more separated like a company that isn't working with us day in and day out like the the people who ran that company barely saw us. Yeah. And so I feel like they were able to see it in a really. Cold way, where it was like, let's separate these into two different groups because it's easier to market it's easier to brand it's easier to talk to somebody who doesn't know these people and say these people are in this group, and this is in this group. And so that's why it was updated out because it was seen as a really heartless sort of thing where you can just kind of tied up in a neat little bow. But I think we've all realize that we're we were so well rounded, and so like differently talented, and the there's no reason why any of us should have to stick to one thing. Or another reason why all of us are here is because we're so multifaceted. You know, it's like a corn plays video games. But he also writes, and he has scripts and like he has he has different passions, and like, and he's also able to edit, and he's able to, you know, like create like voice through edits. And I don't know. I think it it comes from the fact that we've all had these like really weird winding roads to get here. But a company like defy really wanted to to like just keep us in a box and say, well that doesn't belong over there. So you can't even do it. Yeah. One of the most fun videos. We did was when chain came in did Nick cage joins joins grand theft smash. Yeah. Which was awesome and hilarious. And he did a he did through the entire video this really funny nNcholas cage impression and acted like him and stuff and was over the top. And at the end, we're like man that was awesome. We we should do more of this, you know, like smash smash gains clashes, and then just like it never happened. We had trouble getting him for stuff. And and I understand he was busy with other stuff. But like, I'm like there should be more. You know, more crossover. Yeah. I totally agree enemy just make sense. Like when when awesome stuff like that happens. Like, yeah, we have the opportunity to do that. And we just need to take advantage of that. I mean, it must be really cool for you having like a fresh new beginning. I mean, you've at this from the start you've seen it. You know, something that you never expected to turn into this beast. And now, you get to do whatever you want with it. Well, not whatever I want. But for the most part, if it makes sense, I can't just be like well tomorrow, we're going to we're going to transition smash to cruise line live show, and we're just going to be doing shows on cruises. I don't not that. I would want to do that. Because I don't have an opening number. I've always wanted to opening number. We'll get you an opening. Yeah. You keep trying to pitch us opening number like Lizzie. And you would love it. You'd have to tap number. And then you'd have a quick change. Does she? She rock. Ever you saying you wanted to do a podcast like months ago, and now you've got it. Yeah. It didn't it didn't make sense at defy it just never felt right? And this to me the podcast to me now is just so important with what we're doing and just being able to you know. Open open the listeners and the viewers up to our lives. And and what the whole situation is because the big lake separation for me is like, you know, people usually only see what's what's on camera. What's in the sketches? But they don't see like the family actually at work, and like together, and they don't understand the relationships that everyone has like, it's an awesome place, the be, and we just haven't been able to show people that part of it. So this was kind of like the opportunity to open that window and give people a little closer to us. Also having this candour, right? Because like, this is the way we talk to each other. Normally when out cameras. Yeah. But you know, the content that we've always made as soon as there's a camera. We there there's a need for it to be like punchy, and, you know, over the top in like really exciting and something that we've Israelites will be like a really good video. And I think we all want that. And that's. Why we become these personas of ourselves. But I think it's really wonderful that the audience gets to see a different side, which is the way we talk to each other. Normally like not up here. All my God if here, but like, this is the this is like the the regular tone in the candor, and you know, and I think that our conversations go from like hilarious too, deep all the time. And so I think it's really cool to be able to share that that's cool to show people. Like, you don't have to you don't have to be like a crazy character to be like interesting just be yourself. And that's and that's interesting enough. Just be like, honest and true to who you are and people appreciate that. That's the takeaway. That's the fifteen second clip and party to save lives Israel. I'm sorry. I can't I can't see like I have an issue. And I have an issue with like, you know, here's what I'm serious things. Like, then I have to then I just have to ruin it with the stupid ass joke joke, though, if it works lives are that does it for this week. If you're not yet subscribed to these mosh cast on any of your favorite podcasts apps. Please do that. And if you are subscribed to this on YouTube. Thank you so much. You could see are faces. That's pretty cool. But if you wanna hear I you got to hear it on the podcast apps, and then it comes out Friday for YouTube, also smash games is coming back, April tenth baby. Let me doing a little tour showing you guys around the space, and then we're playing some mortal combat. We're gonna get we're gonna strike for that. Because that was perfectly. No, not that one. 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Fan Favorite: What are the Movie Industry's Biggest Secrets?

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Fan Favorite: What are the Movie Industry's Biggest Secrets?

"In the Montgomery County, Maryland courthouse. There are thousands of pages of documents detailing the horrific murders of three innocent people soon as I heard the details, I knew my dad was involved right away instantly. I says Lawrence, but at the time of the murders, Lawrence horn was clear across the country. I'm jasmine Morris from iheartradio. Hit home media. This is hitman. Listen and subscribe at apple podcasts on the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. Welcome to part time genius production of I heart radio. Guess what mango was that? Well, all right over the weekend, I was doing a little reading up on Peter sago, because, you know, I think you know this about me. But that's what I do every Saturday, people spend their Saturday nights. But one of the facts that I saw this week and I it actually not seen this before was that he wrote a screenplay did you know this? I had no idea. Yeah. It's called Cuba mine. And it's based on a real story about a fifteen year old American who moves to Cuba, and this is right before the revolution. So he writes this, serious grip than its in the nineteen nineties, when he's writing this, and it's got executions in it and real politics. But it's also kind of a romance to, but writes it, and it just sits on the shelf for over a decade like so many scripts do but two thousand four somebody finds it dusted off and finally the movie gets made now the movie's, title dirty dancing to Havana nights. So using Peter single wrote dirty dancing to I know but. This is true. I mean, it's kind of, like one of those things in Hollywood were, even though Peter Sehgal wrote the movie, they cut out all the words he wrote. In fact, he was quoted as basically saying, like he claims there isn't a single line of dialogue left from the original, they also strip that all the political stuff, but they had to put something there. So instead, they just filled it all with dancing, which, you know is stays true to the name. And so it makes sense pretty funny. You know, it does remind me of those poorer writers in Hollywood, who make like two hundred or three hundred thousand dollars and live in fancy houses, and drive fancy cars, but their parents are super suspicious of what they do because they only work on like the fourth or fifth draft of bad movies and these movies never ever get made. It's crazy. Yeah, it is very, very strange. But anyways, thinking about Peter sago made me wonder, like why are movie economics so weird? How does so many terrible movies get made? And of course, why is it so hard to make a movie with Lyon? We both wanted this for years. So. Feiler going to answer that today. So let's dive in. Hey, there podcast listeners welcomed to part time genius. I'm Wilkerson, and as always, I'm joined by my good friend main gas hot ticket and sitting on the other side of the soundproof glass. This is one of my favorites mango dressed today as Dwayne the rock Johnson from his favorite movie, the tooth fairy. Yeah. That's a good movie such great actor. But that's our friend and producer. Tristan mcneil. I know we wanted to talk about movies today like little secrets about how they get made and what makes a one star movie a masterpiece and other funny stories for movie sets, but before we get started, you know, one of the things I love the tell people is that used to work in a video store, because especially for the younger generations today, it kind of feels like nobody knows what a movie store is anymore. I know it's from like a different era. And I honestly loved video stores so much like going there as a kid, you've spent so much time looking at movie covers and deliberating over which movie you'd wanna watch because you'd only get to pick one and then finally picking it out like, and as a clerk, I actually really loved recommending movies that I thought people would dig, but, you know, this isn't aside the best part of the video store. I worked which is called bizarre Durham. I it was that it was really fun and welcoming place, but everyone who worked there, except for me was a lesbian, and it was perfect, because, like, I didn't know how to date or talk to girls and this woman jury like she'd, give me gr. Great advice on that. My car broke down all the time. She told me fix it all the time. And when she wasn't solving all of my life problems, we were just watching movies and talking about movies, and it's a good thing here. Part time genius. We never deal and stereotype. Great that worked out for you. But, you know, the funny thing to me was that I even at like an artsy movie store like that one, like, and it was one of those places where movies were organized by director by country of origin. You'd still find so many terrible movies on the shelf, and joy. And I would would often flag them with these little posted to the head around. So I think there was a terrible one of Pam Anderson, and this really horrible movie and we put like as seen on PBS on the cover this horrible, low budget Adam tation of the bible, and it just looked so bad. And we put better than the book on the covers, you know, just really super helpful style. I'm guessing you probably had at least a couple of frustrated customers over the years, but was such a great story. I remember it really well and loves spending time there, but just to be clear for all of our listeners. We're, we're not snobby movie watchers like we love terrible movies. And in fact, I know you wanna talk at some point about why tomb raiders considered such a masterpiece, but. Before we do that there was something I've been collecting just some quotes here. I wanted to read you a few of these quotes from Roger Ebert, and specifically about movies he hated. So I've got a few of them written down. But here are a couple examples of just how brutal Roger Ebert could be when he talked about these, quote, alleged comedy, so trying to decide which ones to share. So here's one from FREDDY got fingered. So here's what he says this movie doesn't scrape the bottom of the barrel. This movie isn't the bottom of the barrel. This movie doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence with barrel. I don't really know exactly what that means. But it's still just such a great. All right. And here's one about spice world. Here's what he has to say about spice world is obviously intended as a rip off of a hard day's night, which gave the Beatles to the movies, the huge difference, of course, is that the Beatles were talented while let's face it. The Spice Girls could be duplicated by any five women under the age of thirty standing in line at Dunkin donuts, I love Dunkin donuts is the place that you need to find talent. That's obviously, where you find it. But man, he could be brutal when he didn't like movie. Yeah. So it's obviously being a movie critic comes with its downsides and being forced to review movies. You might not wanna watch, but you know what one of the things I think is funny, is that Roger Ebert? Loved Laura Croft tomb, raider. Gave it three stars. And and that's in spite the fact that it was almost universally panned. So I also found some quotes like this is from the Washington Post, and they called it, quote, remarkably joyless the Wall Street Journal called it, quote, flavourless drab violent and a bloodless way and sexy and a sexless way. And the Austin chronicle said the game is great fun. But the movie should be taken out back and shot. So obviously people had some pretty strong opinions of it. But whether you loved or hated this movie what's fascinating is that it's considered a total masterpiece in Hollywood. And that's purely because of how the movie was financed. So I got this from the writer Edward Jay Epstein who discussed why. And basically, he showed that executives at paramount only spent nine. One million dollars to finance the movie like this was a massive productions, the total popcorn movie it cost around ninety five million dollars to make. But before the camera started rolling paramount actually signed away the distribution rights to six European countries for sixty five million dollars, and then decided to shoot part of the film in Britain, which I guess allowed it to qualify for some sort of tax relief. So there was this complicated scheme, where they sold the film to British investors who got this massive tax break. It was like multi million dollars. And then they sold it back to paramount. So paramount actually got another twelve million dollars that way. And then they did the same thing in Germany, and before shooting a single frame, paramount had already collected ninety million dollars. Oh, wow. I know. And once they sold the TV rights to paramount sister company, they actually netted money before tomb raider, hit theaters, like it was actually profitable before they released it, which is just so insane to me. And it also kind of makes me wonder, like why was Laura Croft spending so much time rating tombs when the real? Treasure was just finding a good accountant. That is pretty incredible. So for all you British investors out. They're interested in helping part time genius. Find some tax breaks you know, we could use twelve million dollars anytime you want. Yeah. Yeah. Let's, let's look into that. Well, you know, actually every time we talk about tax shelters. X reminds me of the episode, we did a while back. I think we titled it where the sunniest places to hide your taxes, and in doing that upset. We realized that basically every JAMES BOND movie takes place in a tax shelter. Anything about Panama, Switzerland, Monaco, the Cayman Islands? I it's, it's pretty funny, when you come up with the list of these, but I know you learn a few more unusual things about the economics of movies, do you wanna share just a few of those? Yes. So one of the things I love is that product placement hasn't always been worth the money. So this is an extreme example of it. But in Natural Born Killers, there's a story that Abilene boots actually offered to give free boots to the entire cast if Oliver Stone. Put the name on a truck. So there's this one scene, where Juliette 's character is driving in a convertible, and she's driving towards the truck and to get the shot of the logo. They had to get the car and the truck passing each other at the exact same time, but, you know, all Reston's artist he wanted to in one take. So they started the shot a half mile away from each other, and then drove and use these walkie-talkies and, and they were trying to get the pace of the vehicles, just right? And it didn't work out for all I it was disaster. So they try it again. They tried it again. They basically lost a whole day or two of shooting, and it costs them about three hundred thousand dollars a day, it was all just to get a free pair of boots. Isn't that same thing was just related to this product placement? I still don't fully understand the, the starting half a mile away thing. What, what would that achieve? I think you just want to get along shot of it, like you wanna beautiful Loncraine shot of it. Okay. Yeah. I mean, and now I guess there's digital stuff that you could figure out and slip in. But at the time. Three hundred thousand dollars a day for a pair of boots is definitely not worth, I've never spent that much on. The other thing that's totally crazed me. And this might ads are a little bit of like why do terrible movies? Get made question is that director is actually claimed that they have to water down there movies, just to make them suitable for teenagers. And according to Epstein has the Hollywood economists there are few reasons why you wanna market to teens. So some of them are obvious like if you have product tie-ins, or merchandise or fast food mentions or whatever, are just much more susceptible and likely to buy that stuff. Yeah, they're also predictably clustering around the same shows like it's a less fragmented group. So you can buy ads and kind of reliably know where they are to build awareness, but the big reason movie studios, make movies that are PG thirteen and targeted teens is that they're the only demographic that's desperate to get out of the house like they're looking for any excuse to get away from their parents or their siblings. So they're the group that needs the least convincing to go out on opening day and buy tickets. And apparently, this whole marketing formula, I think marketers try to hit you up with seven. Ads before a movie comes out like you need that much exposure to build awareness, and I don't know. It's really crazy. To me, but, but also make sense. Yeah, it does make sense. And I had a feeling that you were gonna talk about teenagers and the movies. And so, you know, I keep hearing this thing from classic director saying that they'd never be able to make their artsy movies today because they have to cater to teen so much in looking around at this. There's actually some pretty funny stuff online, but he here's a little clip. I just wanted to share it. Someone cutting up the ten commandments to play like a teen movie. So just take a quick. Listen to this. Town there high. Ramsey's was the biggest play around. But win the new kid in school. Strange lamp relies hanging with the ground wasn't so easy. He took a stand show bay ruled by law by the wheel of other men, Moses mos-, now, the battle is on to see you can get the girl who will the school and if zero and become a hero. So let the games. Biki. And so that was a little mash up trailer called ten things I hate about the commandments and it was by Mike Dow, I definitely go see that. And we'll I I know you've got some great facts, you want to share about animals at the movies. But before we get into that, let's take a quick break. You know, when something goes wrong at home, and you just freak out. Yeah. I've definitely had my moments especially when it comes to pass and in the mirror. Nara, cockroaches hanging around your bubble bath and uninvited rat at your daughter's birthday party. Don't let peice ruin the moment, get an organ TEK out your house tomorrow. They'll protect your time and your temper. Visit dot com slash genius to say fifty dollars on your first general pest service with the promo code pod. Fifty that's peo-, d fifty organ home is where the bugs aren't. Welcome back to part time tina's where we're talking terrible movies. So will, I know you wanted to tell some animal stories, which is usually my domain, but I like that you're tackling it today. But before that, can I just read you a little list of things that you used to see the movies, and you no longer. See comes from our old pal. Caracol check. But here a few things you no longer see at the movies. So some of these are obvious like ashtrays there used to be signs that read ladies. Please take off your hats everywhere. You know, just as a reminder, because that's when people used to get super dressed up for shows, but theaters also used to come with cry rooms, which were these glass, enclosures and soundproof rooms in the back of the theater, and that's so that parents could take crying babies and still watch the movie without disturbing. Anyone I didn't know what you're going to where you were going to go with that. I was just assuming like if people just got to emotional they could go somewhere without out being hurt. So this was for the babies. Yeah. For the babies who also get very emotional this. Also interesting to me, theaters used to be much grander. So you think about those like red curtains that used to open up for the screens and, and just how elaborate ornate theaters used to be. But all that change in one thousand nine ninety with this Americans with Disabilities Act, they actually require that new renovated theaters with more than two hundred ninety nine seats needed wheelchair access to all rose. So suddenly theaters start splitting up their bigger theaters, or just starting making smaller theatres to counter that. And I it's crazy. But that's also why you started seeing three or four theaters out of place showing the same movie at similar showtimes. Yeah, never thought about that. So my favorite thing about these old theaters was that, especially during the depression. It was hard to get people to come to movies. So to get people to spend their money, they'd have these collectible dish nights, and the whole idea was, I moves where luxury husbands, and wives could both agree that they could spend for ticket or splurge for a ticket, if they could also come home with the gravy boat or a coffee Cup and. And suddenly it made him more worth it. So these all across the nation. That's great. And speaking, the depression, this is the last one that's actually part of what lifted popcorn sales, and I didn't realize this initially popcorn vendors, would she stand outside if the and they were independent sellers and it sell to the public who are coming in. But then theaters got greedy realize they could sell the stuff themselves and now popcorn is obviously this hugely valuable thing and keeps theaters alive. But you know, apparently outs for movie theater popcorn actually costs more than filet Mignon. Oh, wow. Yeah. He's not crazy. A ton of it. Yeah. I've actually read that theaters put things in the popcorn to make the smell waft more than that. That's not that surprising. But I mean it does explain why when you're sitting there, it just fills up the theater makes people more hungry for it. So anyway. Well, on a different topic related to just weird things in movies and funny, things about movies. I know one of our favorite facts is how the Coen brothers complained that the cat that they used. In inside Lewin. Davis was so awful to work with. Of course, this comes as no surprise to me, the kind of just had to wait for the cat to do what they wanted, like you'd find a cat that likes to jump, and then you'd put it in a scene start rolling. And then you just have to wait for it to jump and it drove them crazy at some haven't thought a ton about. But I can only imagine how difficult that is when you've got animals in your trying to get them to do like a very specific thing, especially with cats. I know him with tight budgets, and directors wanting to play, God, you know, not having an animal act to your will is I'm sure difficult and actually love stories of animals ruining scenes. There's this story from raiders of the lost ark where Steven Spielberg was really irritated because instead of fleeing from a fire, the snakes kept going closer and closer to it to warm themselves. And at one point, he was so frustrated that he picked up a snake looked in the face and told them, something like you're supposed to hate fires. You're ruining my movie. I hope they listen to this. I do love the care that animal handlers us onset. And it even extends to the smallest of creatures like insects. For example, there was a few examples of this. But of course, you know, the old movies, Shawshank, Redemption such a terrific movie, and the old prisoner Brooks in the film. He fed a live maggot to his pet crow. And it went against all animal regulations when he did this. So the crew actually found a grub that had quote died of natural causes and use that for the film. But that's actually not even the craziest case that I came across your, I think the best story might be from silence of the lambs where they had over three hundred tomato horn worm moths on Saturn. And they were all treated like these little divas. So I when they traveled the malls, all flew first class. I'm sure this was in all of their contracts. And I don't know why we know this detail, but we do, and then they were put up in a room with perfect climate for them. So exact humidity temperature conditions. Ev. Everything that was ideal for them. But the craziest part when they were on said, they were all put in these tiny little harnesses for those high speeds. It almost makes me surprised. They didn't outfit them in these tiny little helmets. But it's just pretty great. Like silence of the lambs is still held up as the prime example of how to care for animals on set because not one of those three hundred plus moss was hurt onset, plus the producers, even found a retirement home for all the malls, and that they the became roommates with the animal Wrangler on said and lived out the rest of their natural lives with them. So I love the tiny harness fact. And I never would have imagined that there were three hundred miles involved in the filming, but I am curious what is the lifespan of tomato off? Well, I think it's like two to three weeks, but, but the key part is that they were comfortable mango for the rest of their lives. I do like that. So what else do you got? All right. Well, I wanted to talk for a minute about the movie roar, which is, you know, the craziest and possibly worst movie that involves animals actually there's some photos of the making of this movie from life magazine, that are just bizarre to look at you should you should look them up online their photos of tippy head. And looking into her fridge and a lion. Peeking into there's one of a lion asleep at her feet, which just makes lion. Looks like these giant house cats. But then there's another one of a lion with its jaws, and it's paused. Just kind of gently placed around the kids head at the swimming pool. You've seen this gorgeous pulled us up. It's ridiculous. How is the seasoning terrifying? I have no idea. But this it actually kind of ties back to the economics here because roars considered one of the biggest disasters of indie filmmaking basically to be Hedera, and who was terrified of birds. Of course, if you remember that's Alfred Hitchcock tour manager, this by throwing live birds at her in the movie birds. Yeah, but she was not at all a freight of lions like she'd somehow fallen in love with these creatures on a trip to Africa. She and her husband at the time is names. No Marshall, they dreamed up this idea of doing a movie with reliance. And the plot was about a family of conservationists who go to a home in Africa. They're told that the lions at the. Place won't harm you, if you just don't act scared or something like that. Maybe doesn't really make sense in the plot isn't important to this story, but to make the movie tippy and her husband actually asked this animal Wrangler, to get them, fifty tame lions to work with. I mean it's just an absurd repet- obviously, this wasn't possible, but what he did do was he started. Introducing young lines to them so that they could foster these lines and then they would be growing up with humans. So for eleven years, and this was on and off. But tippy Hedren in her family actually had live lions at their home. And then they chewed here, and there, and they put their children in the film, to, now, of course, I don't know if everybody knows this, but Melanie Griffith whose Tippi Hedren daughter. She quit the movie at one point, because she saw two lions hustling in the front yard, and she then told her mom that she didn't want to lose her face to ally that seems reasonable I gotta be honest. Yeah. That seems reasonable to me. So I don't understand why that may be wasn't a little bit of a wakeup call. You know, the film. Ming was a disaster not only tippy and her husband, keep running out of money for filming people. Also kept getting hurt along the way. I mean, not the animals I in fact, I think no animals were hurt in the process of this. But something like eighty cast members were, which I think, probably a record at least was a record at that point. And the movie cost, I think it was like eighteen million dollars. And then only made two million dollars. Now, I'm not an economist. I don't know about movie making but that feels like maybe that was a failure. Sixteen million dollars feels like yeah, yeah, but it just goes on and on, like, not surprisingly, it ruined their marriage. They ended up getting divorced soon after. But there is one good thing that came out of it, so, well, Tippi Hedren did come out of this experience believing that lions? Don't make great house pets. Her love for them only grew. And so she started the Shambala animal sanctuary. This is out in California, and many big animals and up there. So when Michael Jackson's homes, zoo was shut down, for example, Shambala adopted his Tigers. That's insane. You know, I heard you wanted to talk about animals, and I just assumed you were going to talk about Rindt in ten and, you know, this whole story about how he should have won the first Oscar like. Yeah. Susan orlean wrote this in her book about Renton that he got more votes for best actor in the first award ceremony. But they kademi thought it would set a bad precedent said, they rigged the awards for a human to win. And, you know, the New York Times reported this Arlene said it was true and. And everyone, you know, acknowledge that Renton was the biggest movie star at the time. But what's funny, is that the kademi actually disputes this history and says, Renton was never on the ballot at all. Which, you know, adds a little intrigue to this. Wonderful fact that everyone keeps talking about. Yeah. And it's still still a nice story either way. But all right. Well how about we take a little break? Then come back with a few of the Strange's, most influential movies of all time. Hey, there part time genius listeners got something for our small business owners out there, people who may want to produce their own podcast. 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That's vistaprint dot com slash genius. One more time. Vistaprint dot com slash genius. Welcome back to part time genius soap before we get to a fact off mango, why don't we do a little back and forth on, you know, some of the strangest movies that have I guess what you consider surprising impacts on the world. And there's some easy ones that people might already know about. I'm not sure but for example, I think before the movie Ali came out. They were like a dozen kids. Name on me in England and wells and then after the film came out there were over a thousand kids, a year who got the name on me. You see this trend also with things like haircuts like this is one of my favorite facts as it relates to movies. But there's this famous story about how after Titanic came out the Taliban shut down any barbershop that was giving out Leonardo Di Caprio hair boys were just going crazy for them now there is not much funny about the Taliban, but I can't help it. That is just a funny and bizarre fact. I don't think about the Titanic that much and I certainly don't think about. Nardo decaf rita's haircut. That much. Yeah. It's pretty great. All right. Well, what's your favorite story about a movie that had a surprise impact on the world? So I guess we're quick one, maybe something like dandy and I know the animation style was completely different from everything else. But I liked that it might have actually launched Stephen king's career really often refers to Bambi as the first horror movie he ever saw. But in a bigger way, I actually think borat at might have had one of the most surprising impacts on the country, and obviously, in the movie we've got it Sasha baron Cohen. He's making fun of Kazakhstan some people's on. It is harmless, and nonsensical. And and you know, just as a joke. But yeah, that's not at all. How the Kazahkh people saw it like when the movie came out, 'cause stunts president, as she forced President Bush into a meeting just to discuss how the film was negatively depicting the country, and he actually did the same thing with European leaders. But the interesting thing is that the film kind of had a point. So the country had at that time, just fallen into corruption, and it was kind of easy to pick on the country, because it hadn't formed much of a national identity post leaving the USSR, but after the film they started working to bring in European businessmen, they started showcasing how business friendly and progressive the country was they, they worked on tourism campaigns, and oddly, the film. I she made people wanted to visit and then. Then they even invested in their first date produced film about Genghis Khan. It was called Mongol. I don't know if you remember this was actually nominated for an Oscar, but it was all away for the country to try to reclaim and celebrate its history while showing there's a thriving and beautiful modern industry there. And, and I think it's kind of amazing that Bora is really the thing that spurred all of this, and I'm sure that was his goal from the very best. Definitely. All right. Well, I've got a couple more than I wanted to share, you know, of course, you know, I love the movie, the big lebowski and brought the word dude back to the world. And I don't know whether that's a good thing or a bad thing. But it also spawned the little coal or religion that was called the church of the latter day dude. And I mean, mostly, of course, this was a joke, but, you know, it was based on things like taking long baths, and bowling and, of course, drinking, white Russians, or I guess, a little bit of Taoism, but, you know, back in two thousand ten the church had over eighty thousand Dudas priests, which I think is no small feat, but actually I didn't want to end on that one. I kind of wanted to end on sweeter story. And that's about the movie do the right thing, which is, of course, wonderful and important in its own. Right. But it has this second legacy that it's actually the first movie, the Obamas saw together when they were a young couple. In fact, according to Barack, I it kind of sealed their dating status, and it was the first time Michelle. Allowed him to touch her. Neat and is the former president told Spike Lee when he met him for the first time I owe you a lot. Oh, I love that. So why don't we end of that note and kick off the fact off? Did you know that Steven Spielberg opted, not to direct Harry Potter movies, because it was too easy from, here's what he actually said about it, directing those movies is quote, just like withdrawing a billion dollars and putting it into your own personal Bank accounts. There's no challenge. Wow. You're in a pretty good position. When you're like, you know, the millions and millions or hundreds of millions of dollars I could make from that. I I'm just not that interesting. Easy. Yeah. Well, actually, there was this, this American life, a month or so back about him. And how a high school inspired him to direct honest dot and it was so good. I have did you listen to this episode? I haven't heard that. Yeah. But you should definitely listen to it for, for all our listeners if you haven't already. All right. Well on a completely different. I don't think I even remembered broccoli playing a big role in the movie inside out, but apparently kids felt that it did. And so in the Japanese version of the movie, the vegetable was changed to bell peppers because, quote, they are more universally hated by Japanese children. That's crazy. So here's a fun one. British filmmaker named Charles line raised nine thousand dollars to make a ten hour movie about paint drying and you might wonder why would you make a ten hour movie of just paint drying? And it was basically an FU to the British censorship board. He did it just to force a couple of sensors to have to watch ten hours of paint drying. That's actually pretty funny. Even if it is evil at the same time I love that it caused nine thousand dollars. All right. Well, did you know that the only time white castle has made a vegetarian burger was for Harold and Kumar? So apparently Calpine is vegetarian so white castle obliged, but only that one time, which isn't that shocking, but it is pretty funny to imagine what this vegetarian burger looked and tasted like I can't even imagine. I know now that I know they can make veggie burger, I wanna try I should demand it. So here's a little fact. I love about the movie drive a woman in two thousand eleven sued the movies distributors for false advertising because quote it had very little driving. I mean, she's got a point. Yeah. All right. Well, here's a fun when I learned about the movies sleepless in Seattle. There's a writer pitching a story and Meg Ryan's office about this guy who sells quote, the greatest soup you've ever eaten while, also being the meanest man in America. And if you listen closely to this part, you know, they're talking about doing a story on the soup Nazi and the greatest thing about this is it was actually a few years before the soup Nazi became that, you know, big plot point on Seinfeld now, thirty mazing I never heard that. So here's one about Quentin Tarantino when he was still starting out at the time he was living on his friend, Linda, Chen's couch. And she was a typist, and she'd actually agreed to do some typing, for him if he just house sat her pet rabbit. And of course, Tarantino's a great script writer, but not a good bunny sitter and the rabbits, oddly died under his watch but to make up for it. He named one of the characters in the film for the pet. But if you remember in the beginning of Pulp Fiction, does this robber, who goes by the name. Honey bunny. And that's actually named for Chen's rabbit. Never heard that are well, I know we've done a few Steven Spielberg facts here, but this one's gotta be tough to beat. So he was filming Schindler's List. And obviously, this is a very heavy and difficult topic. And the cast would not surprisingly get pretty depressed while they were filming this. So every once in a while, he would try to change the mood for the cast he just call up his friend Robin Williams. Put him on the speakerphone and the comedian would immediately start reeling off jokes. And that, of course helped everybody up how I love that. I I should miss Robin Williams and I, I had a different story about him during the filming of MRs Doubtfire. He wasn't sure if the costume was believable enough. So he wore it to an adult bookstore and just made all these ridiculous purchases. And no one recognized of in character. He decided the costume was believable enough, but that's pretty great. But I do think you're fact is too good. And you definitely went today's fact off. Wow. I don't know. That's pretty good. Fact mango. But you know what you've already given it? So I'm going to take thank you very much. Thank you guys for listening. We always love hearing facts from you and I know there's so many great movie facts out there. We'd love to hear those from you can always Email us part time genius at how stuff works dot com or you can, it is up on Facebook or Twitter, but thanks so much for listening. Thanks again. 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11 Trivia Questions on 50s and 60s Music

Trivia With Budds

07:11 min | 1 year ago

11 Trivia Questions on 50s and 60s Music

"Grab milkshake and get ready for Asaka because I've got questions for you on all these Tunes Fiftieth Sixties music coming your way. This is trivia with buds. And welcome to another episode of the Trivia with Buds podcast. I'm your host Ryan Buds. Thank you so much for giving this show. Listen if you're brand new welcome, there are about nine hundred episodes free to go back and listen to on APPs like spotify or pod, catcher, or Pod, being or even your favorite iphone podcast music listening APP, but that one only goes back about one hundred episodes, so if you want to go, take deep dive into the catalog. Make sure you're listening on one of the APPS. That shows you the entire archives. Today's episode is about fifties and sixties music. I'm sure I've done some. Some kind of oldies episode before, but this is my newest one in recent memory, I will give you the name of a song and the came out. You will tell me who the artist was for that song from the fifties and sixties I use this round for a fifties, sixties, seventies music night that I did on facebook live just a couple of weeks ago and also this is a great one to use for an old folks, home or a senior community where they like to reminisce about these older songs. What's crazy is sometimes. I'll do like songs from the seventies and they're like. Oh, I was already. Was My kids were already arrays. I didn't listen to music then and I'm like what you didn't listen to music then like they were, they were too old for seventies music. They were done with music by the time the seventies came out which is crazy, but That's how it goes when you were born in the nineteen twenties. Today's episode will be eleven questions long all about fifties and sixties music I'll be fun plane along and reminiscing about these oldies tunes. We're going to jump in to this round right now. Here we go. All right fifty sixty s music I'll give you the artist rather. I'll give you the song and the year it came out. You give me the artist. Here's question number one. We have La Bamba from nineteen sixty one. What artists had the song? La Bomba in nineteen, sixty one. Question number two great balls of fire in one, thousand, nine, hundred, fifty, seven, who had great balls of fire in one, thousand, nine, hundred, fifty seven. Question three mack, the knife in one, thousand, nine, hundred, fifty nine, who had that song number three mack the knife in nineteen fifty-nine. And number four Earth Angel Nineteen, Fifty Four. What group had the Song Earth Angel in Nineteen, Fifty Four? Question Number Five? I'm a believer. Nine thousand, nine, hundred, sixty seven number five. I'm a believer, nineteen sixty seven. Question number six be my baby. Nine hundred sixty four number six. Be My baby, nineteen, sixty four. Fifty sixties music number seven Walkin after midnight, nine, hundred and fifty seven walking after midnight nineteen, fifty seven. And question number eight summer in the city, nine hundred sixty six number eight summer in the city, nine, hundred, sixty six. Question number nine. Hey, good lookin' nineteen fifty one number nine. Hey, good lookin', nineteen fifty one. And number ten under the boardwalk, nineteen, sixty, two under the boardwalk, nineteen, sixty two. The bonus question for two points what Ben e King Song was also a nineteen eighty six film for two points, what song by Ben, e King was also a nineteen eighty six film two points. If you can figure out that one. Those are all your questions for fifties and sixties music. We were looking for the artists there. Hopefully you got almost all of those correct will be right back in just a second to see how you did with the answers. We are back for fifty s and sixty s music. Let's see how you did on this quiz. About all these music number one LA, Bamba, nine, hundred and sixty, one was a song by Ritchie. Number, one Ritchie. Valens la, Bamba, nine hundred and sixty one number two great balls of Fire Nineteen fifty seven Jerry Lee Lewis the. The Piano never to Jerry Lee Lewis, number, two and number three mack, the knife, Nineteen fifty-nine Bobby Darin, Bobby Darin. There's a movie about Bobby. Darin called beyond the C. which is really good stars. Kevin Spacey, so watch it with caution Mack, the knife, Nineteen fifty-nine Bobby, Darin and number four Earth Angel Nineteen fifty four was the penguins. The penguins number four. Number five I'm a believer. Nineteen sixty seven was the monkeys the monkeys. My Mom was always monkey songs when I was growing up, and my mom to this day still says groovy quite a bit. If I tell her something that happened, that was cool. She's like groovy now. Mike What era is it number six be my baby. Nineteen sixty four was the riots, the nets number six and number seven walk in after midnight, one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, seven. You'd be walking with Patsy Kline number seven. Patsy Kline. Number eight summer in the city, nineteen, sixty six was loving, spoonful, loving, spoonful and number nine. Hey, good look in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty one was Hank Williams Hank Williams number ten under the boardwalk. Nineteen sixty two was the drifters the drifters. And the bonus for two points what Ben e King? Song was also a one thousand nine hundred eighty six film. That was stand by me. A movie based on Stephen King's Novella. The body stand by me for the bonus. Thank you guys for standing by me for this whole episode on fifties and sixties music, we have one more question for it's called the question of the day who played Lara, Croft in the first Tomb Raider Video Game Movie Who Played Laura? Croft in the first Tomb Raider video game movie. Tweet me, your answer, App Ryan, Buds or Ryan Buds G MAIL DOT COM yesterday. Yesterday questions that they answer was Hitler for the end boss, nine, hundred, ninety, two's Wolfenstein and Trivia team name of today is played again Samsung. Play it again Sam, from Casablanca and play against Samsung for your combination team name. Thank you guys so much for listening to podcasts. Thanks for telling a friend about the show. We'll see tomorrow for more TRIVIA WITH ME, cheers! WINGMAN! Pope?

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