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Lanny Davis: Michael Cohen will expose Trump to Congress, coordinate with Mueller
"We begin tonight with the news rocking, the Trump White House. Michael Cohen is ready for his John dean moment, Trump's former lawyer will testify in public to the US congress. Now, this is in response to a formal request from House Democrats, he will speak on February seventh which he confirmed in a statement late today, pledging a full and credible account of the events which transpired, and he knows a lot about them that would seem to include Michael Coen's knowledge of Donald Trump of the Trump organization, we're Cohn worked for a decade and held the senior title and presumably some of the lies that we do already know Michael Cohen told apparently on Donald Trump's behalf the hearing as a matter of when it is it's timing. Well, just weeks before Cohen is scheduled to report to prison. Now, let's be clear. This will be an on camera public hearing with public testimony. That's already begun conjuring. Some comparisons to the Nixon era was Coen's own. Visor Lanny Davis who recently said quote, remember John dean, it's just the beginning. Dean was famously Richard Nixon's trusted lawyer until he wasn't any went from Nixon confidante to star witness for the other side on Raveling key parts of Watergate in public even as critics at the time attacked his perceived credibility will Michael Cohen emergence similar role as you consider these two White House tile lawyers. Will he reveal things he's only told to prosecutors up to this point? And why is Michael Cohen planning to apparently tell all under oath before he begins his prison sentence, while let's tackle those questions right now on the breaking news with former Watergate special prosecutor, Nick Akron, and a former federal prosecutor my widely who served in the office that prosecuted Coen's case could even the both of you Nick, how did your approach to John dean as he was preparing for testimony were. Workout in the Watergate example, and what do you think is important about Michael Cohen announcer the world today, he's going to do a couple of things. When John dean testified he was given immunity by the Senate select committee, the first thing I did for Archie Cox when he was special prosecutor was to put together all of the evidence that we had on John dean. So we could show that we had evidence independent of the testimony. He was going to give before the Senate anytime you have a witness who's going to testify other than in court for the prosecutor. It's always a problem for the prosecutor. Secondly, John dean is not nearly as important as Michael Cohen is in terms of Trump John dean was not that close to Richard Nixon. He had some important meetings with Richard Nixon, but he was not his personal lawyer. Let's pause on that some people view the John dean comparison as a potential inflation as a dramatization you're saying it doesn't go far enough to capture just how. How much Michael Cohen knows about Donald Trump's exactly right? Michael Cohen is much more intimately involved with the day to day activity of Donald Trump and was involved nowhere near as close. As John dean was in fact, if you look at even the other two cooperating witnesses that are involved, Michael Flynn, and the deputy campaign manager to Manafort, I mean, these people are much higher up in the food chain. Then John dean ever was in terms of having day to day contact with the president. Yeah. You agree with all that I take I agree. I think this is potentially even more important than the Muller report. And the reason is because we don't know what we will finally have as public from the mullahs report when it's finally written. This is a central witness with direct factual information. Remember that in the sentencing memo's what we heard is that Michael Cohen was not only directed by the president at the beginning of his presidential campaign to have direct contact with Russians in order to move forward. His business interests. We know that there was a transfer from his campaign manager, Paul Manafort of campaign data to all to Oleg der Pasca who was a very close. Putin aligned all dark, we know that Michael Cohen. Remember said he wasn't in Prague for meeting in the summer of two thousand sixteen. And now, we know that there were cell phone data that demonstrated that he seems like it was leased close. What does that suggest there's and that in that sensing Momo one of the things that the Muller team said was that he was correcting misstatements about interaction with Russians accept them. Don't know what those mistakes are two things here. One small and one large small is that the times alternately updated the reporting about which oligarch, so that's still sort of being tracked down large is. I just want to repeat what Maya Wiley one of our trusted analysts here saying you'd think this news tonight, and what Michael Cohen could say under oath to congress could literally be bigger than the molar report. Well, in the sense that Muller knows more. I don't mean the Muller importance unimportant or not central. But I mean, we don't because we know there will be a fight about what parts of the model. Report we might be able to hear this is a central witness who will speak directly and publicly, and we don't know the substance, obviously, but it's the potential to answer some very big questions that make it completely clear to the public directly that there was actual knowledge on the part of Donald Trump potentially of engagement with Russians around influencing which goes goes Nick to the lies, which is we have an individual who has confessed to at least one lie to congress, and Maya just put a finger on it was he lying for himself. Was he lying to say? Oh, I should get a job or I should get something for myself. It would appear the entire live about Trump Tower was to help Donald Trump hide something they felt they needed hidden. And yet I see how eager you are to get it. And yet, it's my obligation as a reporter to press the other side, there are more than one side to these cases. And the other side is what you dealt with them. Why they're gonna wanna play some John dean. And have you stitch it back together? What about the other side when people around Trump say this person, Mr. Cohen is a committed liar an admitted felon, and thus what about his credibility. Why is that worth anything? And here's our that came up, as you know, although dean did prove to be quite the witness, but it did come up and attacks on on Johnny take a look. What makes you think that your credibility is greater than that of the president? Who denies what you have said? Well, Senator Ivan asked I'm up here and tell the truth, I've told it exactly the way, I know it I'm telling you what I know. I'm telling you. Just as I know it. This. How does that relate to John dean ultimately proved to be truthful, and damaging the Nixon, and how do you relate that to comb? Okay. Definitely later turned out that he was corroborated completely by the White House tapes. But I think what is really significant here is up to this point the big difference with Watergate was very early on. After Cox was appointed may have seventy three in by June of seventy three John dean was testifying in the American public actually had a narrative of what happened that the story was out there right now we've been trying to put that story together on this show and other areas. What what Michael Cohen potentially is going to do is provide the narrative of what happened or at least a good part of what happened, and that's what we're missing right now. That's what you're I think the implication that you make their matches. What my is getting at which is a while, the reporters committee will be fascinating for whatever complete narrative it gives so little of that has been in public view that to hear from this. Individual. We'll say more as for what he intends to say. We reported his statement. It's it's quite crisp. It doesn't really give a list. But then, you know, sometimes Twitter can make you dumber. And sometimes it can make you more. Then I can tell you as I was walking out to the newsroom here to the set. Michael Cohen, re tweeted, a journalist David corn. I think our viewers will remember who wrote this Cummings announces Cohen will testify much to ask him beyond hush money payments campaign. Finance crime Cohen can discuss Trump dealings in Russia and reaching out to Putin's office and so much more. Buckle up that is the latest by re tweet from Cohen. Go ahead. A fit. Yeah. That's going to be the narrative, I say anything anymore. So I know into to small Mike are you going to drop not what I'm looking for. Can I have a camera can I go, but? But no this. This is exactly. So we don't know. And I think to your point which is extremely important. It's the bigger question is how credible is Michael Cohen going to be to the American public and how much corroboration because we know the response is going to be he's lied before. He's lying. Now. The difference though, is that we have been told, and we have indication that he has been highly cooperative. Muller himself has said this is someone who has been cooperative. And he no longer has any thing to gain no longer needing to gain. Indeed, this is the very unusual situation of the sitting presidents lawyer saying to the country tonight. And this is the first time, I know when we cover this stuff. People say there's so much going on. This is the first time the sitting presidents lawyer has said to the nation I need to speak under oath which carries legal liability before I go to prison. He's going potentially for up to three years and he's doing it then, but you mentioned the cooperation. This is what the federal prosecutors in New York we've been covering of tough office. This is how they put it to be clear quote Cohen repeatedly declined to provide what they called full information, specifically declined to be debriefed on other uncharged criminal conduct. If any in his past, my what do you say to people who point to that coming at SDN, y that is not Hannity that is not Fox News that is S T N Y. Federal prosecutors saying not full info, this is an important point. It is the the distinction here is Muller has Muller's team has said forthcoming s STAN y has said not s Dan why I think rightly has said his his cooperation with us was supposed to be about anything and everything and he was unwilling apparently to be forthcoming about potential crimes of others. Not connected to Russia. Right. So we got to clean, you gotta. Clean book a health from Muller, but not from from the New York fed something I'm going to ask Lanny Davis when he joins us later tonight. Go ahead. Why to the southern district about these facts track? Use them. They just refused to hit a very unusual. Relive arrangement there normally when somebody comes in they cooperate. They sign an agreement. He didn't do that to sign an agreement to testify and provide full information about everything he knew he knew he was going to jail for a good period of time because of his tax Bank violations that was given. And I think is only get out of jail card here is to testify for Muller testify before congress because he's still has within a year of his sentence. The opportunity to go before the sentencing judge and ask for a reduction based on this cooperation. And when you say cooperation, are you suggesting that it may be in Michael Cohen's interest to be as full and accurate as possible before congress, and then take that to the judge additional public reason to to give him some extra leniency. Absolutely, absolutely. To be able to go to the judge and say, look, I testified truthfully before congress, I told the American people what I did. I told the American people what they had to worry about with this particular president. And what this particular president did. And I broke open this whole case. And was the first person that provide the narrative as to what really happened to you. As is often the case, I learned things from both of you would I've just learned from you. As a part of what your analysis suggests is Michael Collins rationale is a question I will put directly to Lanny Davis as legal adviser when he joins me later in the show. So we'll find out if he agrees with what you say is is motivating Mr. Cohen, Nick Ackerman. Thank you, my stay, right. With me. I want to bring you into another segment in a moment coming up as mentioned Lanny Davis, Michael Collins advisor and former lawyer joins me to discuss all of this breaking news. Also, we'll hear from congresswoman Jackie speier who may question Cohen behind closed doors. Rumors about that tonight and Donald Trump trying to rewrite his own history, whether Mexico as promised, we'll pay for the wall. I would say Mexico's going to pay for it. Obviously. I never said this, and I never meant to write out a check they'll pay in one form or another. They may even write a subject. A huge huge lie. We have the fact check. But also, we go deeper on why Donald Trump is just so bad horrifically embarrassingly at the deals. He claims he was good at two insiders here. A former longtime exact with the Trump organization and the co author of the art of the deal Tony Schwartz. In other words, what I'm saying? We have a lot left in this show. I'm Ari Melber. You're watching the beat on MSNBC. The top story rallying the White House tonight. Michael Cohen talking and already since we've been reporting this out more Democrats pouncing you have one confirmed. Michael Cohen appearance. That's what we've been reporting. But also now what looks to be two new additional request. Because look at this. The house intelligence committee chairman says it's necessary for Coen to speak with them. And tonight, we're hearing the Senate intelligence committee has Democrats reviewing conversations about trying to bring Michael Cohen back as well. If people are wondering was Washington going to be very different with the Democrats in charge. Well, we're starting to see that in the house Coen's prior testimony. Remember was always under wraps. No one got to see it live. That's why it wasn't a John dean moment this time for a lot of reasons. It's going to be very different. Let's get right to it congresswoman speier says a member of the house intelligence committee, Maya Wiley, also back with me congresswoman, you made some waves talking about why you wanted Donald Trump junior to testify under subpoena. If necessary why is that important, and what is your reaction to Michael Cohen tonight agreeing become face the house. Well, first of all, I do think that Donald Trump junior should face the music and come back to the committee after we have done a subpoena documents and have him testify once again, I think Michael Cohen's willingness now to testify before the oversight committee and requests, no doubt will be made for him to come and speak in a classified setting with members of the intelligence committee is very important. The one thing that's happened. With Michael Cohen is that he has in some respects gotten religion. Whether he is truthful on all matters or not I think he recognizes that he has everything to gain in the long term by actually telling the truth, and he is certainly not. To get any kind of a pass from the president of the United States. So I think we're going to hear some legitimate commentary from him. That's interesting. So your view here. Even though obviously he has confessed to misleading as a very body that you're in congress. But he has also according to the law, and according to the Muller findings that we just referenced it earlier in the show where they granted him for cooperation, you call the getting religion, your view is at this point, your belief is that he would be a very credible witness at this point. I think he's much more credible. He's not going to get a pardon for the president United States. He tape recorded many conversations, it was in those tape recorded conversations that we found out that the president once again, lied relative to store began yells and Karen McDougal because he was in the room when both of those payoffs were being discussed. So I think tapes at once again are going to give us a lot of answers. Stay with me, my widely as I mentioned is here. My when you look at all of this and the discussion of what to make of Mr. Cohen's conduct and testimony. He actually stayed out of the public view for quite some time during this period when he did speak once after all the sentencing came out he was very clear with George Stephanopoulos. And that interview about what he thinks of his old, boss. Donald Trump's credibility. Take a look. The special counsel did say that you were doing your best to tell the truth about everything related to their investigation. Everything related to Russia. Do you think President Trump is telling the truth about that? How important is that figure in when you have a president because who's going to be debating a witness? Visit presumably I will I think it's incredibly important because you have someone again with direct knowledge of not just some specific transactions that will be at issue, but literally the behavior and the way the president has operated as a person in the world for a decade. So this is someone who knows and has said that he was directed by the now president then. A candidate for office to make payments. We haven't really talked about this because of the Russian example of this. But we're talking about someone who literally hid and violated campaign finance laws that are in and of themselves crimes and contested by more directly to the American public to congress about crime that goes exactly to something that we just got into the newsroom in congresswoman I'd like to build them up. My mentioned in play for you, which is a congressman Cummings talks about the limitations on what they might expect to hear from Mr. Cohen, of course, as just referenced on our broadcast much of those campaign crime issues were not in the Muller probes. So presumably they could be discussed. Let's look at what you're calling just said moments ago. Russia. Congresswoman, I'm sure you recognize what what they sometimes. Call a scrum there, which was your colleague on camera is overwhelmed by reporters with their phones out. But what he saying very clearly is they're going to focus on what does not interfere with Muller in your view in the Cohen case. What would that involve publicly and what else might involve at the intelligence committee does hear from him privately? So what I'm told is that Mr. Khan wants to tell his full story. So it will probably be outside of the issues relative to the campaign, which he was directed to make these payments. But there are probably many other aspects of his ten years with Donald Trump that will come into focus, whether it's the Moscow hotel or the other various hotels, which Donald Trump invested in Toronto in SoHo and in Panama. I mean, I think what we really gonna find over the long run is the money. Laundry that went on very volition -ly by Donald Trump's organization is probably what's going to bring him down. Don't we have to call it a ledge money laundering at this point? Or are you breaking news with confirmation of that tonight? But I would think that the Foreign Corrupt practice. Zach required him to make sure the money that he was receiving whether it was for the purchase of condos or for those investing with him in the properties in Toronto. And so and Panama would have to be clearly reviewed to make sure that they were not money laundered. And so many of those individuals were in fact persons that were oligarchs that were laundering money in my new congresswoman speier, also very interesting stuff. Thanks to both you in my Wiley for joining me. Thank you as promise I turned out to Lanny Davis. Michael Cohen, former lawyer and legal adviser and a veteran of many White House conflicts, including the Clinton era investigations, first of all this is a big news night for you. And Michael Collins. Thank you for coming on the beat Lanny. Well, thank you having the, and I am now back to being legal adviser for the purpose of helping Michael these congressional inquiries. So let's start there. What does today's announcement? The first time Mr. Cohen has ever confirmed publicly that he will address the congress and the public. What does this mean? Well, first of all Michael's family is in severe distress as Michael because he's going to be going to prison in about six or seven weeks. And Secondly, he wanted inoperability after his life has been so virtually destroyed he wants an opportunity to at least tell the truth as he said to Mr. Stephanopoulos on July second and recently about what it was like working for a man in the private sector who lies acts immorally or abusively and has no barriers on ethics. What is it like when you actually realize? This very say man who Michael admit to shamefully helping in his private sector job as an attorney when he recognized the same end was now president of the United States. He wants to tell the story about what caused him to change and to now want to tell the truth. How dangerous it is to have this very same man who acted this way in the private sector to the powers of the presidency. And how dangerous that is for his family and for his country will Mr. Coen's testimony reflect a very busy executive and candidate Donald Trump who was out of the loop or a detail oriented one who knew what was going on on his behalf inside the Trump organization. Well, he'll answer the questions. Truthfully. What it was like working for Donald Trump? He has told me many times nothing went on inside Trump Tower that Donald Trump didn't know it was kind of a. Rotating door in and out of his office. And he'll get into anecdotal personal memories of what it was like to work for trumpet. I just want to clarify something earlier. The only time that Michael has admitted to lying was lying on Mr. Trump's behalf not for Michael cones benefit. But at the time even consulting with the White House on the lie about the Moscow tower in that Trump was involved in those discussions all the way through even Mr. Giuliani says through November saying six years saying Michael Cohen consulted with White House staff about that misleading testimony to congress. It's a matter of public record that he did talk to White House officials point was which officials. Well, I don't know now and won't say now, what specific officials there are matters that Mr. Muller is looking into that we are going to be careful about but I did want. You think I'm gonna let you make your point. But just on this. Do you think that Mr. Cohen will be in a position to name names in that testimony? I don't know we're still going to be looking for guidance from this Jamila as I know mister Cummings is and I wanna clarify. How does how does that? I'll let you get there. But just what we finished up. How does that work? Do you lawyer to lawyer Lanny I gotta do it do you and the other folks on this team proactively call a special counsel's office to find out the boundaries for this testimony? Or how does this work? This is a somewhat unusual situation. Yes, for sure I know mister Cummings has an I intend to be sure that the areas under investigations by Mr. Muller and others. He will not be able to answer. And I do want to get the opportunity in here to clarify no agreement has been reached with the Senate or the house intelligence committees. But I will say that during some conversations today have to consult my client, Mr.. Cohen. There will be no need for a subpoena. We are voluntarily testifying before mister Cummings and the truth will now empower Michael Cohen. The Michael truth dot com is I hope going to be looked at by the American people to help Michael Kohn through this. Ordeal. And I also do want to remind you that on this program. I mentioned the disproportionate prison time that Michael Cohen is now forced to endure compared to many others who have much more grave offenses compared to his disproportionate injustices. An issue that I hope I will bring to the attention the American people. I did I on your program. You mentioned two things one is is as you say, a how the federal prosecutors in New York handled this and the sentencing, which as you mentioned is something we've been reporting on and discuss with you. Let's take both the two points. Just raise. I you're referencing. The fact that in addition to tonight's news that Mr. Cohen will address the Democrats house requests and the oversight committee. There's other discussions with other committees. So landing when you say tonight that no subpoenas airy are you suggesting that you are close to having volunteer agreement to address other committees as requested to consult with my client. This is all very new today. But the answer is we have had constructive discussions. I don't want to name the specifics. But I know that Mr. cone wants to be voluntary wants to be truthful his days for lying for Donald Trump being directed to do a crime paying hush money to corrupt the potential election, which he did at the direction, Mr. Trump those days are over. He's now committed to telling the truth, and we will work with the other committees to answer your question to be voluntary rather than to be under a spin. Right. And so what I hear you to be saying that it's very possible that there could be an agreement for him to do more than one of. Currence? Although you're not yet confirming that I take your point as for the other issue raised this came up earlier in the show with Nick Akron, who many of our viewers know who has Watergate experience he was saying that it may be the case that a truthful and full account before the house by Mr. Cohen could help in reducing his sentence in the future through the legal process. That occurs is that in your view possible. Is it a goal that's been discussed? It's certainly my aspiration my hope, and I will remind your viewers that Mr. Muller praised Mr. Cohen, while also obtaining a guilty plea for the lies regarding the Moscow tower matter praised Mr. cone for cooperation, even the southern district of New York. Prosecutors praised him for being credible and the judge did as well. I'm hoping. Yes, the answer your question. Ari? Is that by looking at? The actual length of the sentence. He's taken responsibility to all of the crimes that he confessed to his allocution. But the length of the sentence compared to others who've done far worse to me together with his testimony and his commitment to the truth. And let me remind your audience is already said he would not accept a pardon from Donald Trump if it was offered, and I am sure it won't be offered. He's committed to the truth and the Michael Kohn, truth dot com. I've got to give that a plug again is about helping him and his family as he goes off to prison for now a three year term that we'll be reduced to look at that one. Is you're doing your job, which is advocating for this individual that you represent it. And he and his family have a great personal interest. Obviously in any potential reduction of the sentence the other way to look at it is for people who are simply following this at a distance and wondering who's telling the truth. Truth in an environment. Where I think you, and I could agree Washington. Does not feel normal things. Do not seem to be working. And there's a lot of people accusing each other of lying does the fact that Mr. Cohen has that he has in his family has an incentive here to be truthful to avoid or reduce prison time does that in your view make him potentially a more credible witness against Donald Trump when he speaks to the house. Well, I would simply quote the answer is yes Ari. I would quote, Mr. Muller who praised him for seventy hours and seven days of conversation and cooperation, and whatever credibility issues that have been raised that he has confessed to remind everyone was for the benefit of Donald Trump and his admission to complicity in a neighboring Donald Trump any work from the private sector has now been converted into fear for our country and our family knowing Donald Trump's flaws. Deeply flawed character traits that we now are witnessing as endangering our country. Appreciate you coming here to share your views on this big news night as I was mentioning earlier. It's not every night in American history that you have a situation like this a former lawyer to a president pledging to address the public under oath before he goes to prison, and as a pass lawyer for that lawyer, I really appreciate you walking through your perspective tonight. Lanny thank you for having me on. Thank you, sir. What we're going to do is fit in a very short thirty second break and come back with the man that Michael Cohen was re tweeting tonight about Russia issues. David corn as well as reaction from Nick Ackerman. We'll be right back. Saying very clearly that he never directed. You to do anything wrong. Is that true? I don't think there's anybody that believes that for so nothing at the Trump organization was ever done unless it was run through Mr. Trump. He directed me as I said in my obligation. And I said as well the plea he directed me to make the payments. He was trying to hide what you were doing correct. Correct. Any knew it was wrong. Of course, Michael Cohen making waves and now pledging to testify in response to Democrats request in the house. David corn Washington chief from other Jones joins me, Nick Akron is back. David. What is your view of both the news that Michael Kohn is doing this? And what we just heard from his advisor Lanny tables. Well, we knew we were heading in this direction. Lanny and others have been talking about a big moment from Michael Kohn really seen that Michael Kohn wants this moment. And the question was, okay. When is this going to have? Happen. What committee under what auspices and also now the question is what are the limitations you noted that earlier I'm going to look at this you noted that earlier today. Michael Kohn retweeted tweeted, one of my tweets. Now, I noted in this tweet that he could talk about campaign hush money issues that he pleaded guilty to the for viewers. We've got on the screen. Okay. We've got your cartoon face, David. You're one of those people that went with the cartoon picture rather than a real one. And you say much to ask cone beyond hush money payments campaign finance crime Coen can discuss Trump dealings in Russia and reaching out to Putin's office. And he re tweeted this tonight that was interesting to me because you know, in this case, re tweet might indeed be an endorsement, but Lanny just pointed out to me during the break after you finished with him that cone is committed to not saying anything at this particular hearing that we're talking about on February seventh. That might reveal anything that Molin is still working on presumably he'll still be working. We don't know. Maybe they'll be some finale before that point. But at the same time that house intelligence committee is interested in speaking with him as our as is the Senate intelligence committee, and that may be enclosed of hearings that may become you know, maybe made public later. So I still think at the end of the day, whether it's February seventh or not comb, we'll be talking about all he knows about Donald Trump's rushing connections. And there was a very interesting line. I think unite talked about it and the molar sentencing memo about comb that came out a month ago. So can I just go through this very quickly cone provided the special counsel with useful information concerning discreet, Russian related matters core to its investigation that he obtained by virtue of his regular contact with company executives during the campaign. Executives. Yes. That'd be Donald Trump. And who knows Donald Trump junior Ivanka who else works the Trump organization. So there's still more to the Trump pushes story that Michael Kohn can tell us and whether it comes out and February seventh or not I believe Democrats now will get it. And eventually the public will learn about it. What do you think David coming from Washington of the way, this is come about that it is congressman Cummings? Scoring the ultimate witness. If you will, and then the other committee chairs quickly clamoring about how they wanna piece and what Mr. Davis confirmed that was not a full blown scoop. But is what what we might call a scoop lit. Lanny Davis made a little news tonight on this show and saying well, we're going to try to do those as well. Meaning there may be additional under oath. Opportunities for testimony. Well, you know, we've say this all the time elections have consequences for two years. You had a congress controlled by Republicans who really didn't give a damn about the Trump Russia scandal at least not in telling the public. What really went on fairness, David. I think they would say they gave at least a darn darn. Okay. But nice dam, and they tried to smother it. They try to come up with distractions on the house side. We don't know exactly what tapping the Senate intelligence committee. But now we have not just the Trump Russia stuff. Not just the hush money stuff. But whether it's a monument nepotism conflicts of interest. We have members of congress who care about oversight. Yeah. Which is a basic function of congress, you lifted out it just it sounds like several chapters Nick in criminal law textbook. Exactly. A lot of chapters criminal law textbook. I mean, the real questions going to be is Muller going to step in and not let him testify about. What is? The really juicy stuff here which all relates to Russia. I mean, the I'm going investigation here clearly is the Russian conspiracy. The one relating to the break in at the Democratic National Committee. The use of social media will allow them to do that before he comes down with an indictment on the American side, Nick and David joining me on a big news night. Thanks to both of you coming up as promised Trump's wall and unpresidential comments about where the blame should go. I've got Trump insiders Tony Schwartz and Barbara res- here right now stay with us. Donald Trump did a photo op at the border today. This is a trip he told reporters he didn't even think was worth making the shutdown gets longer. It is on set on pace to break directed for the longest shutdown by this weekend. And all this concern, the focus away from the wall and back inside the US where for load workers and protesters hitting the streets and getting attention for it. Meanwhile, US residents many saying they oppose the wall and their backyard all that has some Republicans in both chambers starting to walk away from Trump. That's a problem for the self proclaimed dealmaker who likes to be the one threatening to walk away to former insiders Trump are with me tonight to explore why his bluster isn't working this time Trump used to claim his strategy was to take things to the edge. But then make a deal one saying you take people to the brink of breaking them without having the break to get a better deal and Trump could always walk out. If he didn't get a better deal. He could walk all the way to bankruptcy. But. But the federal government can't declare bankruptcy. Can't stay closed forever. Trump insisted Mexico would pay for the whole wall. He didn't push them to the brink of breaking or get them to cover say half the walls cost or a quarter. He got nothing. Then you got nothing from the US congress for the wall. And when called and all that Trump says now the buck doesn't stop with the president anymore. Watch this sad decline. Mexico's paying for the wall. Okay. It's an issue of police importantly dollars. We have to finally do the wall will pay for self on a monthly basis. Over this the book sap food everybody. I want to bring in special guest Barbara arrests. Former Trump organization executive she's also the author of all alone on the sixty floor and Tony Schwartz co author of the art of the deal, a friend of the beaten, the author of the way, we work isn't working wonderful to have both of you here seated together for your expertise, Barbara it is easy to normalize. What should not be normal? So for your view, the man, you know, I wanna replay that last moment the president nited states on where the buck stops. Take a look. Doc with you over this shutdown the books food everybody. What kind of deal making always seeing here? Yeah. I thought he was a great deal. Make it to be honest with you and terms of taking the responsibility for the buck. I just wouldn't have to it. It's not in his DNA. He's never responsible. It is always someone else's fault. Yeah. I found myself going back to the art of the deal and looking over those deals that I unfortunately, described thirty years ago, and realizing that most of those deals in that book were failures and the number of deals he's made over the years since then have overwhelmingly been failures. It's a accident of history that he is president. But as a dealmaker he is really one of the worst. I've ever come across. You know, when you think about deal making what is it actually require it requires understanding the other side? So it it, requires empathy. It requires humility it requires courage. These are qualities Donald Trump doesn't have in spades. And your point if the deal is about agreeing to do something real while there may be negoti. Nation and some exaggeration business. The fundamentals have to be true. Otherwise, you end up with a fraud, which is illegal even in tough business deals. Here was Donald Trump. Let's take a look claiming that he actually is honest when he goes sheets, take a look. A lot of negotiations about honesty, it'd be honest because the other side you dealing with intelligent people. They're going to see it. But have an idea make sure it's the right idea and never ever quit or give up on it. And yet he has been lying about the funding for this wall from the start. I mean, isn't that the fundamental con if someone else could be made to pay for it some people might feel differently about the proposal? That was always the proposal. Other people pay it's been fraud all along. So when you say that a deal has to be has to be legitimate or else, you're liable for fraud. Well, that hasn't stopped him in the best, and we know that he's made a series of fraudulent deals, and this is or the failure to make this deal. This is the most fraudulent attempt yet. He's got a claim about what's going on at the border. That is transparently not true. And when you look at how anti Pelosi's dealing with him. How does that compare to other people use on the other side of the table? Is she doing this the right way? She's still I think of great job and part of the reason for it is that she has his power. He does this is the very first time. I've ever seen him this situation where he doesn't have the leverage. He was a great deal make soon everybody, and he ran them dry. He'd never betray because that goes quickly. He dragged them through the courts until they've each appoint where they go broke. We'll make the deal he wanted. Now, all of a sudden these up against a woman, which is a whole of this story, and she's got as much power as heat tests. And and the circumstances. So do you think he understands that right now? No, no, I don't. So how many people this is one of those things that happens in interviews. Tony potentially unanswerable question. But how many people in America are going to have to pay for his learning curve? Because both of you have a unique insight into this ill look at the actual data. We're seeing I just wanna put up on the screen. So people understand you have thirty eight million low-income Americans that if this grinds on they're not going to have food assistance. You have eight hundred thousand people the government being a major employer going without paychecks. And of course, you have the federal court system slowing which is part of the security. He claims that this is four, you know, what has happened to humanity in a way, it's almost not about Trump because he he is lacking the shame, gene. So he doesn't care the thirty eight million three hundred eighty million words suffering just as a whole series of autocrats. He admires. Care what happens to be. But sitting behind him are fifty plus Republican senators and one hundred eighty Republican congress people for whom you would assume this would be meaningful. They're being intimidated by someone who is just barely humid. I wonder Barbara when you see how many people including the president's allies Republican members of congress public narrators and reporters who do try to be objective with ferring to him in in the way, you would refer to as six or eight year olds level of discipline. Was it always like that? I mean, when you work with him was it was it something where people said, well, he got through a whole day without a tantrum was at that narrative where has that gotten worse? It's gotten worse. And there was a time when he would actually listen to people's advise and often foul mine included, and he did he know you were a woman. Never ever treated me like a woman, and I always said that he did discriminate against because he thought it was like a woman, he didn't treat you demeaning Lee. You're saying. I do like according to the allegations. He didn't treat you the way he is accused of treating some other not never. But he he knew what was good. And he always thought it was swatted me. He told you all women when did it slide. This idea that don't talk to him before he has lunch. Don't talk to the end of the day. Oh, he got through the meeting without tantrum. I mean, that's where we're at. I think it happened. When he after Trump Tower was done. I'm left him went to Linson his corporate office bell. And then I came back, and I saw a very different. I think it's been progressive are I think, you know, you can Mark November two thousand sixteen as the biggest moment of shift, which is the more power. He has this is the classic example of power, corrupts and absolute power corrupts. Absolutely. He was corrupt when he had power. He's absolutely corrupt now and insensible to any kind of input. Right. Well, it's fascinating here from both of you. I'm also very much looking forward to I know, you may be working probably on his book when he's out of office is sort of a library and come to me. Well, we'll see you never know. Maybe there's a deal in the offing. Tony Barbara my special. Thanks. We have one more thing. You got to see when we come back. Congress has proposed ending this whole shutdown by just funding border security. Donald Trump insists it's not good enough. You need a physical wall because wall stop people appoint he actually wants argued against as the daily show found. Nothing will stop immigrants from trying to come to America and Donald Trump understands this because of this video we found from fifteen years ago never ever give don't give up. Don't allow it to happen. If there's a concrete wall in front of you, go through it. Go over go round. When this actually is not the first time Trump has mused about getting around a wall during the campaign, he oddly speculated how people might use different objects to scale the wall he planned to build which John Oliver highlighted. New ladder going over that. If they ever get up there. They're in trouble because there's no way to get down. Maybe a rope. You'll brilliant plan has been undone mankind's third invention. Maybe a rope. It is funny because it's true or not funny, depending on your point of view now tonight. The joke is an actual news story, which brings us to this the hole in the wall store, you're looking at Trump's own actual steel slap prototype, and you're looking at a giant hole in it. That was cut by a saw this is a real thing. Now, not the comedy. And this real thing was documented in a photo that NBC news obtained exclusively the photo, you're looking at meanwhile, Trump's longtime friend Howard Stern recently offered a window into this whole Trump mindset, saying the walls only appealing if you ignore the obvious examples of how to get around it. The walls of problem because of money, even Donald those that the walls a simplistic answer to our problems with immigration. It's something that you know, morons can get behind because they're like, oh, yeah. If you build a wall, no one can get over it. But it's not that simple. It's not that simple. And as you just saw the people who know that include Donald Trump recently, Donald Trump a long time ago and whoever cut the giant hole in Donald Trump's steel slat wall model. That's all the time. We have on the beat thanks for watching. Hey, it's Chris Hayes from MSNBC every day. I come to the office, and we make television show in every day. I think to myself there's so much more. I want to talk about and so this is our podcast. It's called why is this happening and the whole idea behind it is to get to the root of the things that we see out every day. They're driven by big ideas. Each week. I sit down with a person uniquely suited to explain why this is happening episodes of wise this happening every Tuesday, listen for free wherever you get your podcasts.
AP Headline News Jan 23 2019 18:00 (EST)
"Brexit may not be certain. But one thing is clear. Your business could face serious challenges. Enterprise. Arlyn's wide range of supports will help you plan innovate compete and diversify speak to your enterprise Arslan development adviser or visit prepare for Brexit Dodi an initiative of the government of Ireland. AP radio news. I'm Tim Maguire five people are dead after police say a man entered a SunTrust branch Bank and Cebu in Florida and opened fire. It's been a tragic day in our community. You've suffered significant loss at the hands of a senseless criminal doing a senseless crime police chief Carl Hoaglund says the twenty one year old man, then called police embarrassing aided himself inside the building he later surrendered to swat team members. President Trump and house speaker Nancy Pelosi continue to Spar over the state of the union address a p saga megani reports. Now, a case of dare and double dare Pelosi at asked the president to delay next. Tuesday's state of the union address until the government reopens. He told her today he'd show up as planned Pelosi is now denying him access to the house chamber and says he will not be allowed to address a joint session of congress. While the shutdown continues, very said, I think it's a very very bad thing for our country. And it's a horrible precedent. The president. Says he'll do something in the alternative, which he did not reveal, but it won't have the grand backdrop over tradition of a house chamber speech. The kind of thing this resident especially enjoys saga megani, Washington. Meanwhile, the partial shutdown goes on the Senate has votes tomorrow on two packages one back by President Trump the other which passed the house which calls for a short term funding for the government and talks about border security. Minnesota democratic congressman Collin Peterson chairman of the House Agriculture Committee tells KF geo he's tired to see Trump and Pelosi's fighting as hundreds of thousands of federal workers pay the price. They don't want to give him a win. He doesn't wanna give Nancy a win. You know, whatever, I mean, the people suffering are the poor people that are worked for the government. These eight hundred thousand people that are in limbo Denver school officials have asked the state to intervene in its pay dispute with teachers the move that was delayed the strike that had been scheduled to start Monday. This is AP radio news. President Trump's former lawyer Michael Cohen says he will not testify before congress next month claiming threats by President Trump and the president's attorney Rudy Giuliani in a statement Cohen advisor. Lanny Davis says the decision was made on advice of Cohen's, lawyers and that quote Cohen Etta put his family and their safety. I Ellen Alda will be honored by the Screen Actors Guild with a lifetime achievement award on Alta is eighty two and dealing with Parkinson's disease. But he says he can't imagine retiring he says he copes with the Parkinson's, and he'll keep working as long as it's fun Alda is known for playing Hawkeye Pierce on mash as well as films like same time next year. But he says when he dies he hopes that's not his greatest achievements. The work that I do on helping people communicate better. He's the only work I've ever done where I hoped it would not only still be there after going, but grow. I'm Archie zaraleta? I'm Tim Maguire AP radio news.
AP Headline News Mar 07 2019 22:00 (EST)
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Hour 2 Biden's economic plan, first person vaccinated, and Roger Stone
"Yesterday New York March Simone on W.. O. Off well. They got all the latest for you on Glenn. Maxwell we'll get to Michael Cohen. We'll get too crazy. Joe Biden President trump and a whole lot more What does this phase is? It's not a hurricane right to tropical storm. Yes, tropical storm! What does that mean? The weather guy said Could also be waterspouts. What's waterspout? Where the water comes up from the ocean. Oh. Well. They don't worry about it. Not GonNa happen on Madison, Avenue. We'll be okay. This is. What the hell else could happen this year, you're in the middle of a pen. Quarantine lockdown riots looting now there's tropical storm. Although that kind. Maybe they'll watch that black lives matter Fifth Avenue, but that's actually. Turned out to be a good thing, it's kind of a party festival atmosphere there now. This rain is supposed to be bad today. Tomorrow should be much better. Sunday. should be okay. Glenn Maxwell is apparently hiring zillion lawyers every kind of lawyer you can hire and there. You generally ex prosecutors. which is good, you know if you being prosecuted by an office us. Attorney, Southern District Eastern this wherever and you can hire guys. It just came out of that office now in private practice. Obviously they can talk to that office in a way that. Can't so you sometimes get a better deal that way, so? She's hiring a guy from the El Chapo team from this team from that team lot of lawyers. I don't know what What our defense could be a just has to be total cooperation and try to get the best deal she can get. She is in the Brooklyn Detention Center. They don't trust that Manhattan Center anymore. That Manhattan correctional centres had a lot of problems had guards get caught doing stuff going to jail? Getting indicted so that's of course we're Epstein I believe was killed I just don't think it would suicide, and really worried about her got her in a special cell. Nothing in there nothing no sheets know anything you give you these paper sheets and a paper gown. Imagine that paper sheets. That sounds awful. I would be secretly calling. Mike Lindell's. Excuse me. How many threads are in this one? Paper Sheets! What are you doing wash? Erased Them I. Don't know what you're doing with them. So, speaking of prison, this Michael Cohen. This guy is one dopey more on this Michael Cohen as you know, he violated He lives a block from these two fancy restaurants that he went to, so I thought. I just assume I pictures that he had some kind of deal in his parole in house arrest. He was allowed to go out if he stayed with an sometimes. You get that you can. Go out within a block or either they'll give you a thousand feet within you know from your home or Assume. That's why pick these two restaurants, but apparently not, there's just too upper east side spots that he used to go to all the time before prison, and now that he's on house arrest. You. GotTa. Do House Arrest Remember? Uncle Junior in the sopranos. That's how you do. House arrest you sit there on the couch with a remote control and hand. That's your life. You don't you don't see on junior going to look Lacaille. logulu Donny Deutsch. You don't do that. So he was called into court yesterday, and that's not the US attorney. This is the bureau of Prisons. They're in charge of you and your incarceration. They're the ones allowing you out on How rest so again? I assume that was part of the deal that he could go within a block of apparently, it wasn't part of any deal that wasn't approved. That wasn't something you're supposed to do. so they wanted him, and this is really nice of these guys. They could have just taken him back to jail, but the reason they called him in. They wanted him to sign a piece of paper making very clear what he was not allowed to do so that there would be no further incidents or confusion, so they gave him this piece of paper. And it would said he can't do any of this stuff, and he can't write a book right now, and he can't do any media right now, and he can't. I understand that you're under house arrest. So and he's Got Lanny Davis. And his other lawyer Levin and these two. Good lawyers and then Lanny Davis Very. Smooth talking charming guy, he should've let Lanny Davis Talk. When they gave him this document, his big thing is he wants to write this book and do a lot of appearance. And it said you can't right now. You can't write a book or do media so. He should've let Lanny Davis Talk. Who would have said listen gentlemen. Maybe. Is there any way we could you? Maybe you could make some kind of You could ask a request, but this Michael Cohen that his own talk and he said I'm not signing that. I'm not signing anything, so they said. Wait here and they left, and if you were talking to guys from the Bureau of Prison. Wouldn't you be careful how you spoke to them? He had very careful and the second. They said wait here. We'll be back. Wouldn't you say wait I'm sorry I'm sorry I didn't mean thing. Would wouldn't you to say something like that So they didn't come back about an hour and a half later, a bunch of US marshals came in with handcuffs and shackles. took him away. You won't see him again. That's the end of that. He's going off and you don't have to worry about him. Ever enjoyed dinner. Dinner's yeah. So! that was it. That's dinner with Donny Deutsch. Certainly worth two years in jail dinner without coach. Fascinating Guy so joe. Biden unveiled his economic plan. I'm watching this. And he's talking about. With all the things we do in the money we spend the things we by the government will buy American. We're GONNA. Buy American. Then he talked about bringing manufacturing jobs back to this country is wait a minute. This is Donald Trump's two thousand sixteen. Economically just copied and pasted. Biden has a huge history of plagiarism. Many plagiarism scandal, so he just stole trump's two thousand and sixteen economic plan. They literally copied and pasted it into the teleprompter for him to read. But then this is Biden like a buffet. It's like something for everybody. Just put everything on any anything. Anybody wants to hear. Then he goes into this AFC nonsense about it's enough with capitalism and shareholders should have no more money and capitalists should not be profiting and all this crazy nonsense. so he's all over the map. Bring back manufacturing jobs, but nobody's allowed to make any money end of capitalism as we know it, then he talks about how he will will raise taxes. He bragged about this. He's going to raise your taxes now. Remember Mondale ran for reelection in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, four. This is starting to look a lot like the Mondale campaign of eighty-four. Reagan was a very successful. First Term Republican and they didn't have anybody that could really run against them, so they went to. The former vice president who was a big name in the party, big mainstream name Walter Mondale only differences Mondale. His head was working. He could think I'm like biding. He could walk, he could. Talk, he could do all that stuff, but he was the same by news at a career politician. been there forever and you remember Mondale's big strategy. He announced he would raise your taxes. He bragged about this. And, he said at the convention. Taxes, and he looked right in the cameras you see. He will tell you he'll do that. I'm telling you. All do that, and this is what Biden did yesterday. How did that work out? Mondale lost in the biggest landslide ever in history. He lost for the first time. Anybody's ever done this all fifty states but. Reagan cheated a little and LET THEM WIN MINNESOTA! In fact, Ed Rollins, was the campaign director. won forty nine states there. WE'RE GONNA win Minnesota, but Reagan. This is the kind of guy. Reagan was called rounds at close up Minnesota. Close a campaign office. Don't campaign and get out of there and let them win it. We don't want to humiliate that guy and then a nice thing to do. Unbelievable! Workout great for Biden. Maybe he'll wind up. Yeah, if that Donald Trump you think you would have said let's not humiliate. The guy pulled out he knows. I Want WanNa win fifty one for there are fifty one. I want to win anyway. or he would say they said to me. Sir, there aren't fifty one. What would we create a state so we can win fifty one so. so I I know I sound crazy when I say I think Donald Trump ends up carrying new, York and California if he could win both states I. Think you're now, remember at this point. Reagan was way behind. I don't about New York. This stay pretty warped right now. I don't know all over. You know all over the well. If you talk to people all over here, they're terrified. They're scared. They don't like what's going on. They see what happens. When the elect a crazy left-wing progressive, all hell breaks loose California the same thing. This is how Reagan one forty nine. Don't stop and think about how women Reagan. One. New, York, Reagan one California Yeah Yeah. Because people started getting nervous and scared. They wanted everything straightened out. Nobody's helping Donald Trump more than bill de Blasios more than Andrew Cuomo more than that Seattle mayor. People do not want this going on. They want to stop the mmediately, so don't be surprised And again Biden can't get through three debates I. Don't I I. There's a good chance they won't have any debates I think at some point Biden. Pulls out there already talking about there's no democratic convention. It'll be like a like a zoom conference. Republican conventions supposed to go on his plan, but they're already talking about. A lot of the delegates aren't GonNa. Come or they'll hold it outdoors. now tomorrow night Saturday night. There's a trump rally. The next one is in new. It's an outdoor rally. With Air Force One part in the background behind that'll be the backdrop him at the podium Air Force One in the background. You're going to be hearing all day on the Sunday shows and on Monday about how this is disgusting. No president has ever exploited. Air Force One or used it as a campaign property of the United. States mark. Yes, that's all you're going to hear. He's exploited a Air Force One and a political event. It's been done five. Five million times by a lot of presidents who can put up the pictures, so they're going to do this for a day or two but it's been done by a lot of presidents. It's nothing different. It's nothing new, so don't worry about it He's going to Walter Reed Hospital today, and he's going to wear a mask He's not for you know anytime. They ask them about mass. He always says I'm offer mass should wear masks. and they keep pretending like he's against Massey's all every interview confined. He urges everybody to wear a mask. He will wear it. Today doesn't need to wear it normally because he's not in any danger normally but. He's going to Walter. Reed Hospital and he walked into a hospital with a lot of patients. Of course there you wear a mask and he will wear the mask in the hospital today. hey one of the White House reporters tested positive. You know how you always see him in the press briefing with the masks yeah. Always with the mass now everybody there at the White House, these phony Baloney White House reporters. They all weather masters so proud to be wearing them. That's second. A camera goes up first thing he does. Rip Off the mask. In fact, some of them secretly videotaped this. Second the cameras off Jimi Kosta. All these idiots Jonathan Karl all take their mask off immediately sooner. It's just a prop for TV so Hey the first guy. Has Been Vaccinated. You know there are a lot of companies that think they have the vaccine for corona Venus. This is the big hope once we have the vaccine. Everything's fixed now I. Don't know about that because. you gotta be pretty brave to take this vaccine. There could be side effects. Look at that vaccine on that other thing in India. they did a lot of people like thirty thousand kids ended up paralyzed with that vaccine. It's risky. You know testings. Thanks for your to but Pfizer says they've got a vaccine. Ready to go I think today. They're going to inject this vaccine into the first trial. The first human he's in Maryland. And we'll see now. WH- what does. How does it work if they vaccinate you? Do they then have to take you around corona virus patients if you catch it, how do they test it? It's probably what they'll do or just kind of. Put The virus around you somehow I don't know I. WanNa be I, wouldn't WanNa do that. They will inject you. Wait till it's up to full speed, and you're right then in a medical facility. They'll put the virus all over you and see what happens, but Can Go wrong with a vaccine that could be horrible, deadly side effects. Normally, they test us How'd they? It's like a Michael Cohen Type Ruin Kentucky Books. Okay, okay So Yeah, try it out of this guy. But I gotta ask them asa medical experts long. Do you usually wait to see if their side effects? I would think it's a year or something right? Two weeks well, sure yeah. everybody's waiting to the vaccine I. think that's the end. When there's a vaccine, it's not necessarily the vaccine must important thing or the with the therapeutics, the medicines that can help you get through. It the I was hydrochloric Quinn z pack, algae, and a whole bunch of these disappear like seven eight of them now by the end of the summer expecting twelve or thirteen, and what would happen is if you've got it, it would bring the symptoms down for instance with AIDS. It was never cured of there was never this. We still don't have a vaccine for AIDS, but the drugs the cocktail mixture of drugs. They give you so good that even if you have age, you'll never have a symptom. You can go the rest of your life and be just fine from those drugs now hopefully by the end of the summer or early fall. We get to that point. With Corona virus in a lot of times. It's like Hydroxy Clarken. It's an existing drug. That's already there. It's very cheap and. Finding Kimberly Guilfoil tested positive. She was immediately put on hydroxy clerk when she still symptom free and almost a week later so again, a lot of people for most people they get through this just fine and the death rate is very very low. It's zero point two six percent now so. We'll we'll see. We'll follow this vaccine guy for But again we gotta wait. Don't we have to wait like a year to see his any side effects? I guess initially. You'RE GONNA. Find out whether or not he gets the virus. That's the most important thing they will worry about long term effects later this guy. But when they have the vaccine, which you take it right away, or would you want to weigh nothing no. You're at risk taking that vaccine A. Check out the webpage log. Great video up there watch the here's Michael Cohen going back to prison yesterday. What's his moron? Head into the courtroom yesterday. also what happens if you get Donald Trump's tax returns well, Rachel Maddow got. One from the year before pretty much the same tax return watch what happened to her and how embarrassed she got when she read it on the Air Watch. What this was a total disaster. Also, what's this incident? See if you think these cops are a racist. Up On the web page seven ten. W. O. R. DOT COM SLASH MARK, seven ten W., O. R. DOT COM slash mark. Eight is the mark Simone. Show Voice of New York Seven Ten W. O.. R. O.! They got a lots to get to. Roger Stone will be with us in a few minutes. We'll see what's happening with him. He may have to go to prison on Tuesday. We'll get to that. We'll take some calls. Eight hundred, three to one, zero, seven ten is a number. Let's go to Elliott in Bradley. Beach Elliot how you doing. Elliot. We lost him. Let's go to Allan. Morristown Hey al how you doing. Default. On TV about all these polls show Biden winning, but correct me if I'm wrong. All these polls taking cap the popular vote, but that doesn't take into the Electoral College vote. No! No, no, that's not. That's not the problem. All these polls totally fake totally rigged. All these public polls there rigged in a number of ways. They don't put any Republicans in the sample. In all of these public polls, these stupid things read Republicans are at twenty, three or twenty four percent of the sample. They should be at least thirty six percent of the sample so right there. You've shaved twelve points off then. They don't use likely voters. That's the category you want to be serving. They use adults which means they can pick anybody they want, so they pick who they put in. It's not likely voters, which is who you need to survey, also, they write the questions in a way that. That pushes you into a certain answer, so all of these public polls are generally rigged by about fifteen points. They're not real. I know you do. They did this in two thousand sixteen every day that put another six polls about how trump ten points behind fifteen points behind I don't know what they hope to accomplish with it. Let's go to Jeff islip Hey Jeff how you doing. Hey Mark Great Show just wondering why you have the Obama leg tingler Chris Matthews on his MS. DNC hates trump Chris Matthews he's a friend of mine. Oh, he doesn't hate trump now. He's a good guy anyway. Thanks for calling I like Chris Matthews. Very, smart We don't agree on a lot of stuff. Obviously, but he can give you a lot of history in a lot of perspective on. Let's go to Vincent and Brooklyn Vincent Good Morning Mark. I got an idea for that goes Dulcet City Hall mainly Gio and that Guy Cory Johnson. Why don't they go paying those black lives murals in Bedford stuyvesant in Brown's Warp because unfortunately, those idiots stolen understand that, and this is for FBI statistics more often than not young black men are killed by other young black man. That's just an FBI fact. And another thing I like. is they should paint lives matter in front of Gracie Mansion, because nobody is responsible for more of black lives than build the Blasi when you withdraw the police when you tell the police not to enforce crime when you see one hundred shootings in one holiday weekend. That's a lot of people getting shot black white all young. That's nobody is getting. More. People Killed Right now than Bill de Blasio and Andrew Cuomo. He's responsible for this, too. It's the half of his population of state is in new. York City. Hey should be on top of doing something anyway. What else did you want to save Vincent? Oh, also! What about the fact? That stupid today said that Indoor restaurants can open up, but no black lives matter protesters. Because according to them, it is so historic it is so historic according him spread the virus around, because that's where probably the new cases the new people that have tested positive of coming up from all these millennials spitting in each other's face, but talking about the virus mob, I was getting angry. The other day I was waiting to go into your operating room and I said Hey, what's going on here? You're late, so she said Mr so-and-so where. Where sterilizing the AW mock, just before they will be as willing and I see the ceiling panels closing up. They were using ultraviolet lights built into the ceilings that had movable panels that they would put the lights on sterilized the whole place, and then of course change the dressing and stuff, but it was like out of. It was like something out of Star Wars I'm on this guardian will in and I see all this ultra violet light, and then all of a sudden all the ceiling panels close up. It's the that's good. That's good. That's the best way to stay at the most Thorough, way to sterilize anything about Vincent. Thanks for calling. Glad you're. Feeling Better Listen this. Protesting started something important looking for reform looking for change, sure that George Floyd type incident won't happen again or anything along. Those lines won't happen again. It got totally hijacked by the end of the world from sharpens a Pasi to. All of these crazy wacky left wing mayors and got. They've totally hijacked the whole thing. this black lives. Matter is just a three people three old Marxists who have turned it into a fundraising opera operation. They've raised a fortune God. Knows where that money will ever go You got things being painted on the streets. If you go in front of trump tower the pain, it's just basically. It was a cheap publicity stunt. Now it's a street festival that playing music. People are dancing. Vendors are selling stuff. Nothing is getting accomplished with this. No real change will ever happened When you get a moron, idiot, empty suit a bubble head like. You and fault, he's just going to turn it into publicity, stunts and gimmicks nothing real. It's a story of everything. He's done no real management, no real difference, no real anything anybody remember George, Floyd. When's the last time you heard that name? Remembers this poor guy. He come lost in the shuffle of Bill De Blasio in his Al Sharpton Painting things on the street in all of this. Everybody forgot what this is all about I mean if the Blasi were real if he was actually a manager of anything, he put together the best experts in the world. You get a Ray, Kelly. You gotTa this of that. Get a whole bunch of guys. Let's figure out how to solve this. Let's figure out what to change what to fix. How can we none of that? No, this is paint things on the street and. The most ridiculous ruling ever all large gatherings are canceled through September unless it's a protest, so you know what go ahead with the wedding, go ahead with the graduation, but just carrying protest signs while he's gotTa sign, nobody. Can you just carry a sign? You can do whatever you want. Hey. When we come back Roger. Stone will be with us. I don't know what's going to happen. They're supposed to go to prison Tuesday. he needs the president to pardon him or better yet. I think he wants a sentence commuted. We'll ask him. He'll be with US next on seven ten. W or let's get the latest news. Here's Joe Bar can't hear the whole show live. Get the rest with Mark Simone on the man get. His casts at seven ten W. O. R. dot com slash. Mark Simone on Seventeen W. O. R.. Well you all know Roger Stone. He's been a victim of this ridiculous witch hunt against president, trump and Let's see. Let's get all the latest from him right. Now Roger Stone how you doing. Mark Great to be with you. What's the latest? Is Tuesday the day the scheduled day for? All. There's a number of things going on I have filed an emergency motion with the DC. Circuit Court of Appeals after losing an emergency motion before Judge Amy Berman Jackson roughly a week low. Our arguments very simple. It is the current policy of the Department of Justice and the bureau presence and move prisoners were convicted of non violent crimes and their, but are -ceptable to the COVID nineteen virus from prison to home confinement. That's their official policy that all of the precedence in every circuit, including the DC circuit of people who have. Who have requested judicially such compassionate release they have all been granted We submitted very substantial a medical records and had the same doctor for twenty five years You'd have a pulmonary specialist we. We inserted those under seal and we asked that we either be. that I either be confined to home, confinement, or sent Tacoma home confinement to sell out my sentence like my body is Michael cones. I guess she's going back there. Paul Manafort and and Rick Gates and the judge denied all that in order to. Turn myself into a prison in Georgia. On Tuesday now with the first motion was heard, there were no confirmed cases of the coronavirus. Prison in the meantime there are now twenty among inmates and five among of prison workers so to me. It's a death sentence. I I have a very very strong. In my case, over Juror, misconduct and other. Constitutional issues, but his appeal mark as you know, take a year and get a million dollars, so my concerns and obviously we'll be I be will I be alive long enough to pursue my appeal? What about the? Head. The president could pardon you. Or Commute your sentence. I think he's GonNa WanNa. Do that before Tuesday, have you? Have you talked about her? I have not spoken to him. But if you go online, there are more than a dozen stories where he is inching He's going to do exactly that now it in a perfect world. I had a choice believe it or not, even though the party would end this whole nightmare once and for all I prefer the commutation of sentence I want to pursue my appeal because mark in my appeal, I will expose the epic corruption of the molar dirty cops I will expose the corruption of the jury and the Juror I. I suppose the corruption of the judge, and that's why I think they wanna put me away quickly so I'm praying that the president will the right thing. He's clearly follow it very very carefully. Every tweet since the day I was arrested in that crazy over the top raid, in which twenty nine FBI agents stormed my home at six am. In the morning. Every tweet. Every public comment has been supportive, and he has said over and over again two things I just was treated out unfairly. It's outrageous and I believe he can be exonerated on on appeal. He says it over and over again and he's right so. That's where we are. That's where we are I'm waiting fervently. There's a CNN truck out in front of my house right now. I just had to I just. We've got a bed sheet and some red paint. Pleaded a giant sign that says CNN sucks and I. From the upstairs balcony. Now Listen. You were charged with stupid little things. You just nonsense, but when you say this juror, one of the jurors discovered was online somewhere talking about how much she was out to get. You didn't like your hated you of so. How did that woman survive? I mean that's a mistrial right there, isn't it? Within show in two thousand nineteen, the the jury forewoman, who's an attorney? Ran For Congress in Tennessee Democrat, was on social media both twitter and facebook She was attacking me starting on the day of my arrest. subsquently, she was attacking president trump throughout the year. But during jury selection, she has a social media on private settings so Jackson or ordered. We had obligation to know this. There was no way to know it as soon as the trial was over, she deleted her entire page. Kidding, just put it on pause. She deleted it when we asked for the rights, a subpoena, facebook and twitter to recover the deleted material judge. Jackson denied us that right. During the hearing we showed an exhibit where the woman to make a heart she out yourself on CNN and trying to be a liberal hero. had. had attached a link story specifically about my indictment. When we made the case out, and she say in jury selection that she doesn't know what stone was charged with, and she barely could route relate to. He is, and the judge said, and I quote just because she posted. The laying doesn't mean she read the story. While you get these left wing judges, these left wing DC courts. Let's be honest if you had been an Obama friend and supporter. None of this would have happened. You would have been over nice dismissal in charged more. Things as you know is two different inspector. General report from the DOJ have recommended to attorney general bar the prosecution James Colman in both cases the crime that they recommend he'd be prosecuted for carries twice. The sentence on gets on the sentencing guidelines of the of the bogus crimes that they accused me up yet. To vote tour a walk in the woods like he's some great sage For my life, it makes no sense whatsoever by the way the prosecutor now trying to send me in jail, the prosecutor opposing our emergency motion to save my life. Jp Cooney the man who gave Andrew McCabe a pass. And concluded, when should not be prosecuted? So for people listening right now, this is a terrible injustice I I think. The President Pardons commutes the sentence before. Tuesday, but for people listening. What can they do if they want to help you? Is there anything we can do for you? Absolutely I, mean I'm racked up two hundred twenty thousand dollars in legal fees and filing these two emergency motions which I didn't have the trouble for. Thank God. My lawyers are willing to work on the come I have new lawyers and they're very aggressive and they're very very tough, but they're also very expensive and then even if I do get a commutation I, still have to fight out the appeal. So that's another year of of fundraising, but at least I'll be able to work you know at least I'll be able to write and speak and publish a book and so on, so people can help me by going to stone. Defence Fund Dot Com stone. Defence Fund, DOT, com, use the credit card. You use pay pal. If you're one of those conservatives, who doesn't like to put their financial information on the Internet. There's an address right there on the front page where you can mail a check and God. Bless you. Sixty five thousand great. Step forward when I hit when I hit the bottom of the till I mean as I, you know I've lost everything. My House, my car, my insurance, and so on my savings, if it worked for sixty five thousand wonderful, Americans the dirty of whom have given more than once, I, never. I've never gotten this far. So, how do you sleep at night with all I? mean the stress of this the I. How did he get through this mentally? You know it's a very good question. I was having a very difficult time. I was having. Panic attacks and couldn't sleep. I was angry I was frustrated. I was worried about who's going to support by seventy three year old wife, who's deaf and has rheumatoid arthritis and no means certainly can't work and. All of our assets are gone. The Nest Egg we built for golden years as long gone into the pockets of the lawyers I was worried about that but I was up in Boca. Raton and I had the occasion to meet Reverend Franklin, Graham. I seen his father Billy Graham A. pre-trial twelve years old at a tent revival bridgeport Connecticut. It's one of the most memorable experiences of my childhood. I can remember it like it was yesterday. was visiting arising as a speaker. it was really extraordinary and the opportunity to meet his son and I turn poured out my heart to him and told him you know what I was going through I. Know He's a friend of the president's hoping. Speak to the president, but then he said there's something much more important I can do for you. You need to get your guide. You need to confess your sins. and you need to walk in his way. and you're gonNA find immediately that you know you're going to your new strains that he will not abandon you people not able, not desert you, but it's what you need to do. You need to confess your and try to live. In his word. And, And I thought about it for a little while, and then shortly thereafter stood up with five hundred other centers. I repeated his oath. And that was a Saturday mark the story about the jurors misconduct both Monday morning. Followed almost immediately. There is no cabinet. The whole thing is ridiculous. Hopefully we're out of time, but hopefully a pardon commutation happens this weekend. And now one more time. PEOPLE WANNA. Help. What's the website they go to? Stone Defence Fund Dot Com. And God bless you if you can't if you cannot afford to help me, that's fine. Say a prayer for me and my family. I appreciate it all right. Well, we're. We're praying for you. Good Luck Roger Stone. We'll talk again soon. I'm sure you'll be back on the program next week and Free. But thanks for being with us. Thanks all right take care. Stone Defence Fund Dot Org. Help Out Roger Stone Hey, check out the webpage a lot of good stuff up there today. Watch you know if you got to hold the president trump's tax forms? What would happen? We'll Rachel. Maddow didn't try to do it on the air watch this. We forget what a disaster was. When she looked at those tax forms also a watch Michael Cohen. Go to prison yesterday. See the video also. Watch this incident. Are these cops racists? It's all up in the web page. Go to seven ten W. O. R. Dot Com Slash Mark Seven Ten W. O.. R. Dot com slash mark.
AP Headline News Jan 24 2019 16:00 (EST)
"The. Radio news. I'm Ed Donahue. There were two votes in the Senate today on the partial government shutdown. The I was President Trump's plan that included five point seven billion dollars for a border wall as or fifty one the nays or forty seven which means motion is not agreed to the next Bill was from Democrats funding the government for a few weeks while talks continue on border security. The as are fifty to the nays are forty four which means motion is not agreed to sell no deal, Texas, Republican Ted Cruz says Democrats are playing politics with government workers their objective. Here is had the president back down and have not a single mile. A border wall built Colorado. Democrat Michael Bennet says border security in this case is political shouldn't shut the government down. As it has been in this case. For an campaign promise, the president. I'm sure knew you could never keep polls have shown that the public is blaming President Trump for the shutdown and his approval numbers. Have sunk as the impasse drags on the AP's, Emily Swanson has resulted AP NO RC poll post shows that Americans are much more likely to oppose than favor the wall forty nine percent to thirty six percent. And it also shows that they're pretty skeptical of some of his rationale for building the wall. Prosecutors in Nevada have added twenty four felony weapons charges to a criminal case alleging nineteen year old from El Salvador, suspected of killing four people possessed pond property stolen from three of the victims. Police in bring Florida say they found no indications Xaver intended to rob a Bank yesterday. Five people were shot and killed at the Bank. Police found no apparent connection between saver and the Bank or the victims. This is AP. Radio news. Former Trump personal attorney Michael Cohen has been subpoenaed to appear before a Senate committee lawyer Lanny Davis disclosed the Senate subpoena in a brief statement Cohen is already put off plans to testify before a house panel citing his continuing cooperation with the special counsel and Davis told ABC's good Morning America threats made against his family. The house of representatives now has an obligation a resolution of censure when the president United States indisputably intimidates in obstruct Justice to prevent a witness from testifying Cohen worked on efforts to build a Trump Tower in Moscow. It wasn't immediately clear what the Senate intelligence committee might wanna talk to him about Warren Levinson, New York analysis as well earth was a tad cooler last year than the last couple of years. It still was the fourth warmest on record. With the partial US government shutdown federal agency calculations for last year's temperatures are delayed. The analysis was from an independent group of scientists. I'm Ed Donahue, AP radio news.
AP Headline News Mar 19 2019 15:00 (EDT)
"The AP. Radio news. I'm Ed Donahue, President Trump was asked about the insulting tweets over the weekend about the late. Senator John McCain. He says it's over McCain's vote change on the Affordable Care Act. I think that's disgraceful. Plus there are other things on McCain died of brain cancer last August at the White House today. The president said he was never a fan of John McCain and never will be a country would have saved a trillion dollars. We would have had great healthcare. So he campaigned he told us hours before that he was going to repeal and replace. And then for some reason, I think I understand the reason he ended up going thumbs up the president has been meeting with the president of Brazil, gyro Bolsonaro. They talked about options to deal with the political crisis in Venezuela. But we really haven't done the really tough sanctions yet. We can do the tough sanctions and all options are open. So we may be doing that. But we haven't done the toughest sanctions as you know, we've done I would say right down the middle. The president says the United States is not looking for anything other. Than taking care of a lot of people documents were released from the F B I Rada. Former Trump personal attorney, Michael Cohen's, home and office in New York last year, more from the AP's Warren Levinson, Cohen's lawyer. Lanny Davis says the release of the search warrants enhances Cohen's interest in cooperating with law enforcement the release indicates. Prosecutors started investigating the former Trump fixer barely six months into his presidency. Cohen was ultimately not charged with failing to register as a foreign agent. Prosecutors in Florida are offering a plea deal to New England Patriots owner, Robert Kraft and other men charged with paying for sex at a massage parlor as part of the deal. The men must concede that they would be found guilty Maryland. Hartman woman who is dubbed the serial stowaway was sentenced to eighteen months probation after pleading guilty to sneaking Pasha Kogyo airport security last year, boarding a plane and then flying to London without a ticket. This is AP radio news. There could be a new record for the biggest contract in baseball move over Bryce Harper. A person familiar with the negotiations tells the AP that Mike trout in the Los Angeles angels are close to finalising h well of year deal worth four hundred and thirty two million dollars. That would shatter the record for the largest deal in North American sports history. Not only would trout steel top the twelve year contract between Harper and the Phillies worth three hundred and thirty million dollars. Trout's three million dollar average annual value would surpass sat Grank he's thirty four point four million in a six year deal with Arizona. I'm Shelley atler, the NC double A had a longtime ban on bringing championships to places where sports wagers were legal. That was suspended last year in wake of the supreme court decision to end affective monopoly for Nevada three women's tournament. Games will be played this weekend, Mississippi where people have been betting on college sports since last summer. I'm Donahue, AP radio news.
AP Headline News Jan 23 2019 21:00 (EST)
"Brexit may not be certain. But one thing is clear. Your business could face serious challenges. Enterprise. Arlyn's wide range of supports will help you plan innovate compete and diversify speak to your enterprise Arslan development adviser or visit prepare for Brexit Dodi an initiative of the government of Ireland. AP radio news. I'm Tim Maguire five people are dead after police say man entered a SunTrust branch Bank and see bring Florida this afternoon and opened fire. It's been a tragic day in our community. You've suffered significant loss at the hands of a senseless criminal doing a senseless crime police chief Carl Hoaglund says the twenty one year old man, then call police and barricaded himself inside the building be later, surrendered to police what team members President Trump house speaker Nancy Pelosi continue to Spar over the state of the union address AP saga megani. Reports of dare and double dare Pelosi and asked the president to delay next. Tuesday's state of the union address until the government reopens. He told her today he'd show up as planned Pelosi is now denying him access to the house chamber and says he will not be allowed to address a joint session of congress. While the shutdown continues, very said, I think it's a very very bad thing for our country, and it's a horrible precedent. President says he'll do something in the alternative which he did not reveal, but it won't have the grand backdrop over tradition of a house chamber speech. The kind of thing this resident especially enjoys saga megani, Washington. Meanwhile, the Senate votes tomorrow on two bills that could and the shutdown, but neither one seems to have enough backing to pass in a video message to coast guard members Admiral Carl Schultz says the partial government shutdown as hurt hard five plus weeks into the executive stress. This government laps and your non pay you as members of the armed forces should not be expected to shoulder this for unlike other members of the armed services. The coast guard is part of the department of homeland security one of the nine departments cod in the shutdown showed says he will continue to tell members of congress. They have to end the shutdown for the good of the country and the coast guard. This is AP radio news. President Trump's former lawyer Michael Cohen says he will not testify before congress next month claiming threats by President Trump and the president's attorney Rudy Giuliani in a statement Cohen advisor. Lanny Davis says the decision was made on a vice of Cohen's, lawyers and that he had put his family and safety first. Amazon is testing a robot vehicle to deliver packages to customers in Washington state AP's Warren Levinson has the details photos released by Amazon show six-wheeled self-driving box about the size of a labrador retriever with the company logo stamped on the side. Amazon says it has started sending the contraptions out to make deliveries in Snohomish county, Washington, not far from its Seattle headquarters company calls the robot scout and says it has the ability to navigate its way around pets and pedestrians. Amazon says humans will accompany scout at least at first but hasn't provided any additional details. Warren Levinson, New York, I'm Tim Maguire. AP radio news. I'm Jay Farner, CEO of Quicken Loans, America's premier home purchase lender. We've created a new way to protect you from unpredictable interest rates are exclusive rate shield approval. I we lock your interest rate for up to ninety days. Then if rates go up your rate stays locked. But if rates go down your rate drops either way you win. Call us today at eight hundred quicken or go to rocketmortgage dot com, racial approval. Only ballot on certain thirty year fixed rate loans, offer cost information and conditions. Equal housing lender. Licensed in all fifty states MLS number thirty thirty additional conditions or exclusions apply. Now, but no right now, you can get a twenty dollars prepaid visa gift card by mail with the purchase of a Napa legend premium battery. It's durability and power make it the obvious choice for people who hate getting stranded by dead car battery so pretty much everyone the Napa legend premium battery and twenty dollars back quality parts, helpful people. That's Napa know how how that participating Napa auto parts stores and Napa auto care centers. Limit to. Household while supplies last offer ends two twenty eight nineteen.
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AP Headline News Mar 07 2019 15:00 (EST)
"Looking for the latest in entertainment stories. Well, you'll have to wait cream egg hunting season is. Tongue down the rare white cream egg and being with a chance to win a sweet prize of up to ten thousand euro, join us fellow cremate hunters and find out more by visiting Gabrielle and on Facebook and Twitter. AP radio news. I'm Ed Donahue in Rockford Illinois today. An officer was shot trying to serve a warrant at a local hotel deputy police chief John Posey says the suspect got away the injured party, which is a US marshal. Scientist task force was transported to a local hospital, and he is currently in critical condition. Lisa the suspect crashed his vehicle along an interstate about set one hundred seventy miles away. President Trump's former lawyer Michael Cohen filed a lawsuit claiming the Trump organization broke promised to pay his legal bills and him about two million dollars to cover the cost of his defense. Meantime, there's a possibility Cohen light again to congress, Michael Coen's testimony to the house oversight committee last week included this, and I have never asked for nor would I accept a pardon from President Trump now Coen's attorney Lanny Davis says Donald Trump's former fixer directed his attorney to approach Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani almost. A year ago to talk about the possibility of a presidential pardon Giuliani says this shows Cohen still lying to congress one of the crimes she's going to prison for Davis who was not coincide Turney last April. When the supposed approach was made says when he came on June Cohen told him he would not accept a pardon. Even if offered I'm Warren Levinson, the White House. President Trump says he's disappointed about reports of recent activity at missile and rocket sites in North Korea. Avalanches ruptured a natural gas pipeline near a Colorado ski resort and trapped. A tow truck crow closing a busy section of interstate seventy funerals and memorial services are beginning for the nearly two dozen people who died when a tornado slammed into a community in Alabama last weekend police near Saint Louis an Amazon driver who illegally parked in a handicapped accessible parking space is paralyzed from the waist down after a man allegedly confronted him about it and shot him in the back. Former congressman Ralph hall has died at ninety five the oldest ever living member of the house. This is AP radio news. Two new studying show monthly shots of HIV drugs worked as well. As daily pills to control the virus that causes aids. Researcher khloe organ says shots take out the worries about drug interactions patients grow older, they develop you know, life related. Komo Vinci's, you know, such as high blood pressure, diabetes cholesterol, and these drugs, don't really interact very much with those drugs, which is great. It can also be taken easily with contraception which some drugs. Cont shots. Still need to be approved in the US Facebook CEO, Mark Zuckerberg is taking their social media company in a new direction focusing on messaging, Shane green, the CEO of digital dot. Mi US is not impressed air certainly paying a lot of lip service to privacy. And and that's probably what's even more concerning to me is how much they're not actually changing their true underlying privacy practices tied to their business model of selling personal data. I'm Ed Donahue, AP radio news. The iphone ten are is here at T mobile, and there's a whole lot to love like taking those perfect new year new you portrait mode selfish. You're going to share. It's the best way to stay connected to everyone you'll heart most in twenty nine so get ready to fall in love with by phone ten are on T mobile. The most loved and wireless. Call one eight hundred t mobile to learn more. Visit a store today. Hi fashion, not to have an expiration date. No why my jeans are stretched out. Where can I get that last? It's maybe omeday. Yep. Right now, all jeans are up to fifty percents off starting at just fifteen dollars for ten dollars for kids of to fifty percent of all jeans, even the new rockstar with never quit shape. Pretension your favorite now, hold its shape, and hugs and all the right places. Where after where he goes today. Buy online pick up in store for free. I'm so there go all in up to fifty percent off all jeans at old navy. It'll navy dot com. Three or four to three fourteen thousand excludes in store clearance.
NPR News: 03-07-2019 1PM ET
"This message comes from NPR sponsor. Comcast business. Business has always been driven by innovators. That's why Comcast business is helping you with technology that provides better experiences. Comcast business beyond fast live from NPR. News in Washington, I'm Lakshmi Singh. New questions are emerging about whether the president's former lawyer Michael Cohen lied to congress again last week. Oh and said he would not accept a pardon from his former boss if it was offered go into Turney. Lanny Davis says it was true then and it's true today. But as NPR's Ryan, Lucas reports Davis says there was discussion of apart in between President Trump's and Coen's attorneys earlier when his client was part of a joint defense agreement linked to the Russian investigation or Lanny Davis is Cohen's current lawyer and spokesman in Davis says that before Cohen decided to cooperate with prosecutors in the summer of two thousand eighteen Cohen was open to what Davis calls the quote, ongoing dangling of possible pardon by Trump representatives behind closed doors, and in the media, Dave. Davis says Cohen directed his lawyer at the time that's a man by the name of Stephen Ryan to explore the possibilities of pardon with Trump's attorneys, including Rudy Giuliani NPR's Ryan Lucas Coen's three year prison sentence for offenses including line to congress earlier starts in the spring. Meanwhile, it is sentencing day for another central figure in the special counsels Russia investigation, Paul Manafort, President Trump's former campaign chairman is facing the possibility of up to twenty four years in prison when he is sentenced in federal court in Virginia today for tax in Bank fraud, new legislation in Russia will make it illegal to post online comments that insult the government. Here's NPR's Lucian, Kim, the State Duma Russia's lower house of parliament overwhelmingly passed a law that will punish people for online comments offending public morality or showing a clear lack of respect toward the authorities. First time offenders can be fined up to fifteen hundred dollars for insulting government agencies Russian society or state symbols the Russian government, of course, will be the. Arbiter of what is acceptable content? The Kremlin has been cracking down on all forms of dissent, and is tightening control of the internet. The Bill now goes to the upper house and then to President Vladimir Putin's desk for signing. Lucian Kim NPR news Moscow in West Palm Beach, Florida. Former police officer has been convicted in the shooting death of a black motorist in two thousand fifteen NPR's. Greg Allen reports it's the first time in thirty years at an on duty officer in Florida has been convicted in a police shooting. Corey Jones musician was on his way home from a nightclub in October of two thousand fifteen when his car broke down Palm Beach gardens officer Newman Raja dressed in plain clothes wield as unmarked van the wrong way down an exit ramp stopping just feet away from Jones's vehicle. Meanwhile, Jones was on the phone with roadside assistance. A recording of that phone. Call introduces evidence the trial never shows Raja identified himself as a police officer in the recording Jones is heard telling Raja, I'm good using an expletive. Russia tells him to get his hands up and two seconds later begins shooting. Prosecutors say Jones ran for. His car and Raja fired three more shots killing him. A jury found the former officer guilty of manslaughter, and I agree attempted murder while Jeff as the sentence of twenty five years to life. Greg Allen NPR news. This is NPR. Ohio governor, Mike dewine is delaying three more executions while the state develops a new lethal injection process. Ohio public radio's Karen Casler has details. Wines action reschedules execution set for may July and September dewine it already delayed an execution scheduled for last month. After a federal judge expressed concern that inmates could suffer severe pain during legal injection dewine says he wants an execution method that can stand up to federal court scrutiny Ohio Nagano, execute someone on my watch. When a federal judge has found it to be cruel and unusual punishment. Oh, hi, owes lethal injection mixture includes the controversial sedative Madeo lamb, which caused problems with an execution here in two thousand fourteen and with executions in Arizona, Florida and Oklahoma for NPR news. I'm Karen Kessler in Columbus. House Democratic leaders say the chamber will vote today on a resolution condemning antisemitism following days. Of internal debate about how to respond a controversial comments from Minnesota freshman democrat democratic Representative Ilhan, Omar many lawmakers denounce Omar's latest remarks as offensive and this is the second time the house will vote on a resolution denouncing antisemitism following comments. She may that many say play into antisemitic tropes senior congressional sources a democratic leadership decided to move forward with the vote today to avoid a potential Republican procedural move. That would have raised the issue as part of tomorrow's vote on campaign finance reform. 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I'm not aware all any of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at a time and that campaign, and I didn't have not have communications with the Russians on will have to get involved with Putin for have nothing to do with putting out never spoken to him. I don't know anything about him other than he will respect me. Russia if you're listening. I hope you're able to find the thirty thousand emails that are missing. So it is political Europe. Communist know. Mr. green, communism is just a red herring. Like, all members of the oldest profession. I'm a capitalist. Hello and welcome to Muller. She wrote. I'm your host AG with me as always jealous Johnson. Hello and Jordan Coburn. Hello. And we are all beside ourselves this week because of the incredible outpouring of support from all of you over the weekend of live shows that we did in DC at the miracle theatre and Brooklyn at the bell house. It was so great to meet all of you. And just be around you guys and just be in that community. And we can't wait to see you in Los Angeles at the Largo on April eighteenth. I think there are a few tickets left. So grab them while you can there is no VIP meet-and-greet at Largo. If you're a patron, you know, you know, where we're going. So keep an eye out for that. And seriously I had such a good time. At those shows they were fantastic. That was incredible. Probably the best time of my life. Yeah. Nice. Yeah. It was amazing to first off get to put faces to names on Twitter and Facebook in the people we interact with in emails and everything. And yeah, it was just incredible to be there with everyone. That's like the venue said we have the nicest most compassionate audience, and you could feel it and everyone is just a Detroit a talk to. And it was it was so fun. So thank you so much for coming out. Yeah. They both venues were like, this is I've been doing this for fourteen years, and this your audience is clearly the premium audience, everyone knows generous audience, and they said, yeah. Just all around amazing splurgy studying the best literally. Yes. And the best people we do we've brought the best people. We did we found him Moreels though. Like we actually did. So again. That was just so much fun. Thank you guys. And if you haven't experience the live show, we recommend it April eighteenth Largo Minneapolis Parkway theater on June fourteenth, that'd be fun. And then we're working on adding more cities. We're looking at coming to what San Francisco Denver Portland Seattle Chicago somewhere in the south. We have to find like one centralized location in the south to hit. Maybe we can do a Twitter poll or something. Yeah. Good idea too. Because you mentioned Memphis in Nashville ones. Yeah. That Lanta would be big. Yeah. Awesome. Liberal to. Yeah. Yes. More west definitely. And Jerry liberal for. Sure. Sorry. Austin? Awesome would be a fun when go to. I haven't seen. How far they are on our list of cities. Yeah. Could be like four people. Yeah. Yeah. We're Twitter poll. Yeah. We feel like people in the south would really come out maybe in a higher rate than people in other cities that might have more numbers too. Because it's like save me. It's true. That's safe-space. Yeah. But in the big cities, I mean, all usually the big cities are are. Yeah. That's very true. It pretty blue. That's very true. We went to lake Athens. Yeah. At home REM w bad ass, Georgia probably liberal their hawk because that's a liberal. They they're very awesome people. I've never been. But I hear I hear tell also guys we've been apparently nominated for a webby by the academy of arts and digital sciences for best news and politics podcast. We had no idea we thought when the announcements came out we like, oh, we didn't make it. And then we got an Email saying you made it, and then we thought we only got the people's voice nomination. And it turns out we got two nominations. So we're absolutely. I'm super humbled by this because we're just three amigos. Yeah. Just three miles in Hawkin, just three ladies. We're not lawyers. We're not, you know, we're not journalists my dad's a lawyer if that counts, that's probably what I think that makes me a lawyer. We owe him. Works. We owe him a debt of gratitude because definitely it anyway, please vote for us for the people's voice award. You can get the link on the molar. She wrote Facebook page. I've also dropped a Lincoln to our bio on Twitter at militia wrote. You can also linked to it from our website Moshi wrote dot com, it is seriously huge honor to be nominated alongside like Ellen lady Gaga and Conan O'Brien childish Gambino nominated. I'm blown away. Thank you. What the Frick? Oh, syria. 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We'll be talking today about the public backlash against the bar letter. And the response from the department of Justice Jordan has a story about the inaugural. That's new. Angelina has an update on a Saudi reactor nuclear reactor in Saudi Arabia. I'll be talking everything bar and Muller and the grand jury we have a lot of Muller news to get to. But before we jump in. Let's check out my new favorite segment corrections. I'm sorry. Oh, I mistake. Okay. So this week. I had the honour distinct honor of being blocked by KENDALL alien on Twitter. He had tweeted back on March twenty four th at the molar report had completely exonerated Trump. There was no collusion. No obstruction. No coordination, blah, blah, blah, and I- retweeted him recently for overreacting. And he immediately blocked me an apparently, many others. So because everyone was re tweeting it and everybody who did got blocked, and he refuses to correct the record. Apparently, he doesn't have a corrections segment. So today's corrections are brought to you by KENDALL alien. That's beautiful. Thank you. It's in his honor. It appears that because Muller she wrote did not freak out about the bar memo. We did a little, but we didn't flip the fuck out KENDALL alien style. We don't have too many corrections this week. I we were wondering why the employees of Deutsche Bank. Don't you want alone would knowingly give loans to unqualified orange morons? But apparently. Loans count. And I I knew this. But I hadn't put these two together loans count as assets on bank's balance sheet because of the interest paid and most banks have a commission structure to pay out high performers with regards to loan origination. Or orange nation. Trump would say. How'd you loan orange? Nate don't you want alone. So not that makes sense because the more loans they sell the more performance awards. They get or you know, that that's the whole Wells Fargo thing that they had to go an answer to congress to is because they were adding all these products to people who that did you accounts. They didn't sign up for so that they could make their quote on quote quotas. Yeah. I one one of those little chunk of that settlement lane fourteen dollars. I think something fourteen bucks back to the people. All right. And meanwhile, all their CEO's are walking free. Totally okay. With me not. I just said not like, it's. Like, it's your. Dan's character as f. Aol? So let's see another correction here on Tuesdays daily update for patrons. We discussed the phenomenon of something that's legal, but still totally shitty. Like, perhaps the collusion outlined in the full Muller report that didn't rise to the level of criminality beyond a reasonable doubt. Perhaps and one of our patrons says she's heard this term before on another podcast, and they call it lawful. But awful, and I like that. Yeah. Yeah. It's like pretty much how Trump lives his life. Totally blameless Manafort blameless and shameless lawful but awful, but also unlawful listen shameless. That's pretty great. Also, I was trying to remember the name of the papers that Mike gravel read into the record back during the Watergate years. Now, I knew it began with a P like what is it? What is it? It was the Pentagon papers. I can't believe I forgot that. I'm like, it's not Panama. We just had those Pentagon your human. We were having that discussion be. Thank you. Thank you for that. We're having a discussion because we were hoping that someone from a house committee would read the full Muller report and the underlying evidence into the public record as well. But given that it's almost four hundred pages, and that doesn't include the underlying evidence that could take a minute. So once it comes out, though, we're gonna make an audio book pod. And we're gonna read the whole report we're gonna use that Charlie Brown sound when adults or talking for reductions until until. And we'll do that until it gets annoying. Probably. So we'll read that. And we'll also be reacting in real time. I think that that's has to be that way. Because I won't be able to get through some of these passages without being like what the fuck, bro. And so they'll probably be elected. It'll be mystery science theater three thousand esque podcast. You can't see the Miller report in on a movie screen, but we'll be we'll be reading through it'll be a series. So that way, you don't have to read the whole thing yourself, though, I know you guys, and you will definitely read the thing yourselves. You are on it. Otherwise, the corrections portion of the show would not exist. Finally, my biggest error, and I have to admit this was trusting bar at all. It's more than clear Trump is leaning on him to protect him from quote, embarrassing information, unquote. And the report Muller report getting out to the public today. Even Trump tweeted that he hasn't seen the report. But if history is any indicator that means he has because he whatever he has done. He says he hasn't whatever he hasn't done. He says he has you can usually expect the opposite to be true from whatever he tweets, and if he hasn't by chance he sure was cavalier about exonerating himself from any wrongdoing before ever having seen it. Lots of folks tried to warn me about bar the ladies at gasoline nation, for example. And I was I think I was maybe just a little too optimistic little to just to see I'd so sorry about that Justice porn because as the weeks have gone on. It is obvious now that bar isn't the up and up guy. Giving him the benefit of the doubt to be. Yeah. And also, maybe sort of mischaracterizing, his relationship with Muller a bit as if that means anything definitively that they're buddies. Yeah. I wonder how Muller feels about all this. And Andrea mentioned that backstage of the show too. She's like they were buddies. You know, like, how do you think Muller fields because maybe Muller feels like we feel a little weirdly betrayed? We're going to start a little bit because there are some staff now on Muller's team that are for the first time in two years saying something. Yeah. So, and I don't know if there's a way to call him out legally bar that is on this particular, obstruction of Justice, which is what I think it is. But I hope that congress is able to get to the report that's really the important thing in the end here. The grand jury met Friday for the first time since stone was indicted. I guess that's considered robustly continuing and seemingly. I haven't heard. I haven't learned my lesson about optimism. But I'm hoping to play some more Justice porn on you. That they were also pretty upset about bars characterization of the mullahs report. And maybe they petitioned the court to have their findings released to the House Judiciary committee. They have no they have to know they can because that's how Jill Warsi got his roadmap report to the House Judiciary under judge Sikora during Watergate that would be the best case scenario for me right now. But I also please I don't want to get your hopes up. So just to be dashed. I mean, sometimes helpful. Yeah. Even if we get knocked down, I think, it's important to be hopeful. That's what Obama Tatas. Yeah. Yeah. I miss that guy. Hope then change. Then tears wine. Then Trump exactly hills unchanged reversing everything you've worked so hard to do. We laugh, so we don't cry. That's precisely it. Our guys those are corrections. So it's time now to move onto the news with just the facts. All right, guys. Let's kick this off with a tiny story from last Sunday about Jeff Bezos, he's zillionaire owner Amazon in Washington Post, and as you probably know while back he dropped an op Ed in medium saying that he was being blackmailed by the inquirer and its parent company American media, Inc or AM. I the publication had gotten a hold of some naughty texts that he sent to his mistress. Lauren sanchez. Leo invaded to tales reboot. Her brother Michael of friend, and associate of folks like Roger stone sold those texts apparently to the inquirer for two hundred thousand dollars. However in the op Ed basis said that he thought the Saudis were involved somehow, and that really stuck out to us the Saudis, obviously hate bazo because of his affiliation with the Washington Post as owner affiliation. Like, he's just sort of adjacent owns it. And as we know Jamal kashogi worked for the Washington Post, and we know the Saudis were in bed with Trump in the inquirer is a magazine published a whole issue about how amazing the new crown prince in Saudi Arabia and how great the new Middle East is because of Saudi Arabia. So the Enquirer lawyers sent a letter to bazo saying that if he didn't publicly come forward and say that the Enquirer in am I were not politically motivated, they would publish all the dirty pictures. Well, bazo wasn't having it. So he published a story about being blackmailed. He's like. Fuck it. He blew it up. And he did that in medium and told AM I to go fuck themselves. Basically, my new favorite phrase mar-a-lago fuck yourself. This is of course, compounded by the fact that AM I blackmailed bazo a month after they signed a non prosecutorial agreement with the feds in the hush money catch and kill scandal in which they promised they wouldn't keep crime ING, so I'm waiting for AM I- pecker pecker Dylan Howard in the inquirer to face legal consequences for shitting on their non-prosecution agreement. But just this last weekend bazo security specialist named Gavin de Becker. He's a dude with outstanding credentials. He he's come forward saying with high confidence that the Saudis had actually infiltrated bazo says phone with the specific intent of harming him. In fact, AM I demanded bazo deny finding evidence of hacking in their investigation and insist there is no involvement by any third party, claiming the leaks came from a single source. Michael sanchez. Saudi Arabia is of course, denying any involvement with the matter. That's how they do. Sure. Trump will be like, well, he denied it. He's denied it. We'll keep you posted for any further investigations on the matter say, it was just the brother. How would he even have gotten those photos? He literally broken in his sister's phone and took them, and I think you got him from the Saudis, and he sold them right yet seems and then presumably maybe the Saudis got a thin is money. I was gonna say actually, maybe they got a cut of the two hundred thousand dollars, but they probably don't even care. They probably said they just wanted to blackmail part. Yeah. And they probably you know, said you keep the whole thing. Just you get it. So that you look like, you know, to that plausible deniability. Yeah. And I'm wondering if that two hundred thousand payment was made in cash, the I guess it'd be cheaper than taking that money. It'd be like taking someone out for dinner for the birthday and being like, so y'all split it. Won't go Dutch. Also this week was the huge story about the security clearance. Whistle blower, named Tricia Newbold who has told a house committee that Trump officials granted clearances for twenty five individuals that specialists had denied citing multiple issues, including for an influence conflicts of interest concerning personal conduct financial problems, drug use and criminal conduct. So when I thought I might not be able to run for office. It looks like can. It was proven later in the week that one of the individuals is definitely Jared Kushner others include rob porter half, man, half moustache John Bolton as you refer to him. Joe Lisa and IVA. We don't know for what specific reasons each individual was denied clearance, and and Monday Elijah Cummings wrote a letter to the White House counsel, Pat, sip, alone, sip baloney, demanding documents regarding the matter, and he was prepared to issue subpoenas. Republicans in the oversight committee wrote their own letter accusing the dumbs of cherry picking new bolts testimony and even said at one point quote, there were only very serious security concerns with like four or five individuals. So apparently, the Republicans are cool with four or five people with very serious security concerns in the White House, the new standard for them. And then on Tuesday. Now house oversight committee voted to issue a subpoena for Carl Kline. He's the supervisor who ignored the recommendations from the investigators in granted the security clearances for twenty five people despite their applications. Being the all the warnings FBI CIA all the security specialists being like, no, dude. No. And so he was like don't touch these files leave him alone. I think he's suspended her without pay for two weeks for something stupid like downloading or uploading attachments into emails in individual PDF files. Instead of grouping them all into one PDF file or something like that. Whatever. Okay. Do you guys? Remember a little Jacob. Jacob wool. Oh, of course. Yeah. He's the twenty two year old that's been banned from trading securities who tried to accuse molar of sexual misconduct will the law and crime blog told us Tuesday that the F B I appears to have an active criminal investigation into wolves fake company called Scherf fire intelligence. It's fucking intelligent a journalist from the young Turks apparently submitted a foia. Request a freedom of information act request for information related to surefire intelligence, but the FBI refused stating a criminal probe is open and ongoing. So we can't give it to you right now as we reported in late two thousand eighteen wool and Jack Berkman held a really weird press conference promising that Muller's accuser was going to come forward and tell her story, but she never showed up, and apparently Jordan you talked about this in in the daily episodes. She had hired him to investigate someone, and he took her money and did no work like paid him two thousand dollars or something like that. Yeah. And try to get hurt. Then worked for him right after that. Right. And then and then hey, do me a favor. Yeah. Fuck you. Then we had the thing where Aubanel was arrested for domestic violence, but authorities never charged him. And naughty blamed Wolfer for that. Then there was a time. Jacob traveled to Minnesota to be addict to Ilhan, Omar. And he faked death threats against himself. And then filed a false police report about it. Yeah. He's the Jesse smaller politics. Surefire intelligence was wolves fake investigative company that he created a linked in profile for using photos of celebrities and his mom's phone number. Your mom fully we'd put some beans on the FBI charging him with crimes. So I hope those beings come true. Yes. So do I that guy such a whole life is lived already? Yeah. He's I think he's the definition of an ass hat, right? Like has traffic on. Yeah. A little pebble little Roger he's one of those punishable faces. Shelley and Spencer. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just want to punch why waste your life years. Yeah. Like crews, just why be a professional troll when you can do anything else fame. Because also, I don't think they believe they can do anything else. Something happened. They feel so worthless. Do something so ridiculous to get in or something. Well, then I take great comfort in the fact that he feels worthless. Well, I wanna find out what his second hobby is. I wanna see him invest in that like what if he likes to, you know, knit or something like just anything else investor energy in something knits little spoons cosies for himself to jam often to do that do that. And love it and live your life and stop trolling now available at I'm a Miller, she wrote dot com food cosies. Yeah. Candidate by the three women, the militia wrote tired of condoms. Get a splurge spleech close. For today, only if you pay another five ninety nine we'll throw some Roger stone's in that speech, cozy. Yes, we have all different kinds. There's the Brittany and the jaylo, and the, you know, this guy real doubt. They all have names. Yeah. I mean, hey, make an SE twenty nine hundred due to on trademark verbally. So if he tries to seal this idea, we can sue him. Yes. Goes contracts work. I think he probably say he probably come right back saying I already got a trademark on it three years ago. Check it out. Cosies handknitted. He is brilliant. All right, guys. 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Start losing weight for good. Okay. Guys. Welcome back back into the news here. We learned this week that house Dem's have asked to interview woke off from the Trump inaugural and Jordan is going to have details about that in hot notes. Yes. I will. He is also this week the battle to get the president's tax returns, which he promised to release after he was elected started heating up on Wednesday. The democratic chair of the House Ways and means committee, Richard Neal democrat from Massachusetts, I think issued a written request to the Internal Revenue Service for six years of President Trump's President Trump's of President Trump's personal and business tax returns. Both and we reported a couple of weeks ago that the finance committee was mulling over expanding their tax requests to include his business. I don't know if that committee officially requested his personal returns. Also, or if they handed this off, two ways and means because maybe ways and means has a stronger legislative case to request both personal and business returns. So it sounds to me, and I'll put beans on this that they were like we should expand this over. In the where where they they were in the house initially. I think it was the house finance committee. And so then they were like, oh, maybe we can get both. And so they started talking to ways and means and they came up with this plan. So this is their plan. Now, according to the law if requested by House Ways, and means the treasury via the IRS shall release the returns to them for any return that they ask for provided. It's relevant to the work of the congress. And that's shall is important. It's not may or might if you feel like it, or, you know, the president's not embarrassed the argument, they're making here is that it's the duty of the committee to evaluate the operation of the IRS in its administration and enforcement of the tax laws. Quote, the IRS has a policy of auditing the tax returns of all sitting presidents and vice presidents yet little is known about the effectiveness of this program, unquote. Basically they're saying that in order to determine if the IRS is doing his job they need to see Trump's tax returns and determine whether congressional action may. May be needed to require such audits and oversee that they are conducted properly. That's a pretty strong case to make evaluating the effectiveness of of a law. That's on the books that you don't have any information about. So I think it's a strong case. But Friday Trump's lawyers wrote a letter to the treasury arguing that by demanding the returns Congress's violating Trump's first amendment rights, quote, the first amendment prohibits the government from harassing political opponents and retaliating against disfavored speech, which is true. I remember learning that one of the articles from peach meant for Nixon was he abused his power by asking the IRS to audit. Democrats running for I think it was congress his political opponents the difference here is that the ways and means committee is making a really good argument that part of their job to provide oversight. They can't do that. If they don't get these tax returns they can't determine if the IRS is affective in its audits without seeing his returns. So they need the returns to potentially develop legislation to ensure that over. Site processes, functional. It's so funny. How they're just both using bullshit reasons, basically. Yeah. But the treasury has never never turned down that request in the history of like all president. So it would be so weird for them to be like all of a sudden this is harassment of some Trump supporter on Twitter was like this is unprecedented. It's his right to not have to turn over his named one president that they've done this too. And I'm like I can't because they've all released their tax returns voluntarily. Yes. Can weirdo? At least since Nixon, I think four didn't. But he released a summary of really long some right at the treasury itself. The department is never liked denied requests to comply with the law. No, this would be really unprecedented in that area. Would aides close to Trump has have said he's gonna fight this all the way to supreme court. This is a hill and people are willing to die on it is what they said. Yeah. That's not the phrase the phrase is this is a hill. We're willing to die. Not this is a hill and people and people will die. Well, they're making sure you know, that they're not going to die on the hill. They're going to have a fall guy taxes are a hill. Anyway, I think I think this is the delay tactic to hopefully, push the release of his taxes past the twenty twenty election. And it seems that a few months ago Trump had pushed to install a handpicked chief of counsel or excuse me chief counsel for the Internal Revenue Service. New York Times reported Thursday that Trump asked turtle dick Mitch McConnell to prioritize a confirmation vote for Michael Desmond to take the post at the IRS indicating it was higher priority than the nomination of attorney general bar this tax battle comes on the heels of another request for his taxes as reported Wednesday in raw story Elijah Cummings of the house oversight and reform committee launched a probe into Trump's finances and in response maze. Ours tax and accounting firm said they're ready to turn over ten years of Trump's tax returns. They just need a subpoena to formalize the request. They called it a friendly subpoena. Hey, girl, you up. Subpoena and chill. So Cummings has told reporters that maze. Ours asked for the subpoena, and he will provide it. So it appears the dumbs are coming at Trump's taxes for multiple fronts, and we will keep you posted. Let's see here. The guardian reported this week that the Saudis are almost done with the construction of their first nuclear reactor and Julius. We'll have details gross super gross. Then some weird shit went down with Cohen this week like normal. I we got this statement from his mob lawyer Lanny Davis, quote, mister Cohen was only recently able to access a hard drive with important documents said Dr contains over fourteen million files, which consists of emails voice recordings. Images and attachments, from Mr. Cohen's computers and phones phones. Mr. Cohen has only had time to go through less than one percent of the drive or about thirty five hundred files. Mr. Cohen needs time, and resources and assistance to separate out privileged and personal documents from these fourteen million files to make the rest of able for review by various congressional committees that have sought his help, unquote. So according to various new sources Cohen. Only recently gained access to a trench documents seized in the FBI raid last April, but the FBI, but if you have I don't this is weird because if the FBI has them can't they just give them to congress. I mean, I suppose Cohen wants the ability to go through them and cherry pick what he sends to congress. And that's what it sounds like. But why have that privilege? We and exactly why. Because if the F B I has a mall, and they didn't charge him with anything. Additionally, it's not like they can send this over to congress all of it and congress will come up with new crimes that the FBI didn't find and refer them back. I think quiches pushing his luck. He's just trying to stay out of jail. And how do we know Cohen would even turn over all the relevant material? Why does he get to pick? Yeah. I'm sure he would hide the things that would further incriminate him. He's not a total idiot. But but like I said at the FBI had it all they would incriminate him. Yeah. You're right. You're right. So what is he eating separate? What confidential just embarrassing things? But because it could leak out of the congress more than. It would leak out of the seven district. Yeah. Cohen's lawyer said they'd quote located several documents that would have significant value. But of course, he would need time before he goes to jail to sort through everything. That's the key. Very he's got all the stuff back that y'all already know about. Yeah. I need time to go through it. I feel like jail would be the perfect time for you to do that. Give him a lamp, you know, what more do you need a free time? Yeah. If not looking at papers, you're looking at walls. Yeah. It'd be so funny. I Mr. Combe we determined with the amount of material here. It would take you about three years to go through it. So by that's just perfect. I read a copy of this letter the Cohen's lawyer wrote Lanny Davis, I didn't see any mentioned in there that cone only recently gained access to the files because he got them back from the F B I after the raid. So either the F B I has it all like, I said and just gave it back to them. Or maybe cone withheld these files the whole time because he wasn't in a formal cooperation agreement and not required to hand over everything. That's what I'm thinking. Maybe he has something in there that they don't actually have. And he's trying to hide it. That means though that the F B I didn't find them during their reign. So he would have to have been hiding them. But like the mental traits that's likely under the cushion his, but but it's about Dr fourteen million files and his book. It's Eddie Murphy song, but put a light in your but said making it right in your boat, put everything and you make it sing in your body member. I don't know it. But I love it. Eddie Murphy in the but but Dr apparently, though, Lanny Davis told BuzzFeed news that Cohen didn't have these documents during his closed door testimony recently because they had been seized by prosecutors and he didn't get them back until last week. So either he's lying which would be really stupid or they weren't as, but I've heard from some people that it is actually a mob tactic to withhold some evidence until right before you go to jail to delay entry. But I'm not sure. Yeah. That makes sense. It just really seems so shortsighted, but no one's going to be like, thanks, buddy. No issues with the timing at all I forgiven. Be like we'll get it from the FBI man is cool. You don't to settle down jail. I doubt it was in his, but yeah, no. I don't think metaphorically and literally that's funny. A lot of files for for the, but it is well, they compress it so much disease modern technology. I don't know if our technology allows for so much, compression that you could fit fourteen thousand fourteen million files. I also. Like if they were files at the FBI hasn't seen yet because he had them in his. But that part of the story would have leaked, and then that would have been. Yeah. This is. Give crazy, but leaks. Okay. Right, right. Yeah. No, I agree with you. I just never grew up. Me neither. That's why I need validation constantly, right guys. Right. Great. Oh my gosh. I coughed at thirty seven thirty eight. But if you can't take it out, don't worry cool. I let me guess ignore. Let's see here along with this letter displeasure that he wrote Lanny Davis. There's a twelve page memo that outlined evidence of a conspiracy to collude with the Russian election interference on behalf of Trump in two thousand sixteen the memo says again that Trump instructed Cohen to lie and say all Moscow tower project contacts ended as of January thirty first two thousand sixteen using code language, and nee is cushions day Tae our trae in us cow may that's good, wink, wink. I don't even think trumpet comprehend pig Latin. Is that the Cody used Morse code neat? Neat me. I learned from monsters Inc. Caetano? Oh, he's seeing that one. Oh, I've learned that. When I was a kid. But yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's been around for a while. Anyway, there were about a hundred pages of appendices included with this memo outlining details about a whole conspiracy to collude with the Russian government along with a whole array of crimes by Trump. The memo said that after Cohen delivered his false testimony about Trump Tower Moscow to congress, a Trump lawyer called him up and congratulated him on his testimony saying his client was happy with cones testimony client, probably Trump the memo makes new claims apparently about Trump taking a much more active role in the Moscow project than previously reported quote. In may twenty sixteen Cohen told Trump he could travel to Russia to assist the building of the project before or after the GOP convention in August and Trump agreed. And I just picture them out there like with a hammer in a hard hat and like him ready to go guys. What do you need help you build it this proves then that Trump new the Russian contacts continued pass January thirty first despite his code language, the memo also implicates Ivanka stating she knew Cohen lied to congress. They had communicated about her health spa at the top of Moscow Trump Tower. We already knew this though, we saw those emails that were released we reported on a little while ago where we're Abby Lola was saying, you know, keep her out of your mouth when. Yeah, you're talking about Trump even before then we talked about the spa like months ago. Yep. Yep. And Lanny Davis closed by saying quote for him to surrender to jail in thirty days would be a detriment to committee search for the truth as well as miscarriage of Justice. Wow. English major much his hand over the files, and they'll look through them. Yeah. So dramatic nobody criminal not going to jail is a miscarriage of Justice. You guys. That's just some spin shit. If ever heard it totally is and finally this week guys. We learned from the guardian the the department of Justice officials there are department of Justice officials that were told they were going to meet with William bar last summer on the same day. He submitted his unsolicited memo that called a special counsel's obstruction of Justice inquiry, fatally misconceived. So bar. Here's the timeline. Barbara to twenty page memo when he was a private attorney three weeks later. Well that day he wrote the memo the Justice department officials were told they were going to meet with him three weeks later they met with him for lunch. And then he was nominated to be attorney general six months later right after the midterms, right? The meeting was apparently arranged by Steven Steven Seagal. Wow. That'd be a bad ass meeting. Stephen Engle, the head of office of legal counsel. It may Justice angle is now a legal adviser to the White House and is the guy bar consulted. With before he decided there wasn't enough evidence found to establish that Trump had obstructed Justice. Turns out angle is also the guy along with Rosenstein that bar addressed his twenty page memo to the one saying Muller's investigation into obstruction was fatally misconceived and legally insupportable. This is clearly a cover up, but what I can't figure out. What the hell's going on with Rosenstein? Question. No, I think not only they worked on it together. I think that's what I read. They all like, they can he consulted with them. And then together they came to the conclusion that it doesn't constitute obstruction. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Also life is better. When you replace angle with Steven Seagal makes the whole thing, we more fun. I in terms of the what the fuck Rosenstein. I feel like there are times through this where we put a lot of hope in these people that are still not like our people, you know. Yeah. Ronda trust them like to snoop Dag what he asked new deck, whatever too. That's funny to. To with Jeff Sessions Friday gay because it's you have to put the. From a correction. Wait why? Because it is the. Nominative? We didn't learn. You're addressing them directly. And so it's brutal instead of Brutus. Oh, right. That's right. Yeah. Is it the class? But that's impressed to snoop. Dag a. Yeah. Yeah. Rosenstein a. Remember back when Rosenstein and sessions had that dinner together. And then and Muller was there. Wait, no. That was with Romney Ray, no news is one that happened. We put it was from a long time ago. Three people. Yes, there are three people, and I can't. Okay. Okay sessions. Yeah. It was it was someone else. It must have been someone else from Justice. Right. So was it Rosenstein Noel Francisco? That's right. Romney was creepy. Little trivia. Yes, exactly. Thank you. And during that time, we looked at sessions, and we're like social is gonna flip on trophy. We had hope in him. We still hated him. But yeah, you're right. We consider him being one of those kinds of we thought Rosenstein, we thought by hanging out with Rosenstein, he was being. How much we we had that inherent trust in resins? Yeah. I think maybe we need to revoke are snoop Dag love. Yeah. I mean, we didn't give that much love. But like we we consider them. He, you know, was said to be a heat shield against the Muller like he protected Muller from getting fussy in the sexy Justice calendar. No Republicans in the sexy Justice for molar. Yeah. Change change. Yeah. They'll change Rosenstein, though. He hasn't changed his no, wow. That's a tell. Yeah. I mean, I guess it doesn't necessarily mean that they were nefarious intent necessarily, although no those eight definitely have been in points in their life. Why they were not to be trusted in the first place. That's true. I suppose as this Muller report comes out bit by bit. Yeah. Piece by piece as we pry it from their cold dead hand skeptical beans, we'll find out. So I don't know. But we'll be right back guys with hot notes. Thanks to care for supporting Miller. 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The reactor is located in the king Abdulaziz city for science and technology, which is on the outskirts of Riyadh and the satellite images of the site were taken by a former director of nuclear inspections, Robert Kelly. He confirmed that it is very small thirty kilowatt research reactor that is almost finished Kelly said, quote, I would guess they could have it all done with the roof in place and the electricity turned on within a year and Kelly knows what the fuck he's talking about since he worked for the International Atomic Energy agency for over three decades, the satellite images also show that a ten meter high steel tubular vessel. Which will likely contain the new cliff nuclear fuel has been constructed and more work is being done on the ground surrounding it. And I love that. It's a tubular wrestle because in the seventies to Menton cool now just means scary eighties. Yeah. I'm basically totally T-bill every four ninety s to me valley girl thing. It's totally to. Oh. Yeah. So. Yeah. Clear now Kelly also said the main purpose of the research reactor would be to quote train nuclear technicians, which would be crossing a red line. Because at this point Saudi Arabia is supposed to undergo inspections by the International Atomic Energy agency. But so far they refuse to comply. Bloomberg was the first to publish these satellite images. Bloomberg's kind of killing it with these stories and all of this is happening while the US department of energy granted seven permits for the quote transfer of sensitive nuclear information, by US businesses to the Saudi government, not to mention secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, an energy secretary. Rick Perry have completely blocked all congressional committee efforts to find out exactly what the authorizations were for congress also wanted to know which companies were involved, however on Tuesday, the head of the independent nuclear reactor commissions was silent when repeatedly asked whether the commission had been quote consulted on the new nuclear permits in fact last week calif-. Democrat bat bad Sherman Brad Sherman, whose he's good guy. He is. Yeah. He told Pompeo, quote, if you cannot trust a regime with a bone saw you should not trust them with nuclear weapons. Many people believe that Kushner and Flint spearhead at the push for a quicker deal that would allow the Saudis to bypass the standard regulations. And even if Trump vetoes Congress's request for further information on these permits, but it can still sue the administration just like they're suing them for everything else. And we'll see what happens there. But that's my hot note, basically. Nice scary. Yeah. But. Yeah. We've been going over the Marshall plan now. That's a an Argentinian reactor. Right. Correct engine. Tina? Yeah. So it's being maintained in Saudi Arabia. Yeah. So the people built there, and I think we discussed the size of it a little bit in our daily episodes. How it's not considered large. But it's still can do some damage still. It's still reactor. But it's yeah. Like, you just like you said, it's probably for training purposes on it doesn't really have anything to do with the secret ones that Trump is trying to get through right? But still if you're doing this in plain sight, what are you doing behind closed doors? You know, right. And they and this was all like fully non-transparent as you were saying. Yeah, they they won't agree to comply with with basic universal regulation. So no, they want to enrich their own uranium instead of purchasing it from somewhere else, the really really really really expensive way to do it. Yeah. Congress even offered a deal with them. And they were like, no, we're good. And the only time you do that is. Because you want to enrich it. Absolutely. And enriching. It means that you're removing isotopes making taking it from YouTube three eight two two thirty five which I think makes it less stable fish in reactive. Yeah. It'll fishing by itself. It's like it's always like, it's all I can. Yeah. Yeah. And then it just fishes by itself, and it creates potassium and all these other things, plus neutrons and neutrons or the dangerous part because and the reason people can't don't want to be exposed to neutron radiation is because neutrons are about the size of a hydrogen molecule and hydrogen is the center of a water molecule and your made if seventy percent water, so you'll just boil from the my goodness if neutrons react with the water in your body. Oh, yum, that's intense. And there's a couple different kinds of radiation alpha can be stopped by like clothing and beta can be stopped by Flickr things. But yeah, here with certain reaction like exposure, you can just take off your clothes and take a shower, and you'll be okay, but only neutron radiation on you need like seriously, eight feet of different materials, including polyvinyl and certain tempered steel and another and then water and then another layer of steel, and that's kind of what is. The reactors housed in is this shielding like a nuclear Bubis. Yes. Oh, no. That's what's in the nuclear not. So sexy anymore. You're going to get breast cancer. Oh my gosh. No. Okay. Yeah. That's a tough one. All right. It's just a radiation. No, the things I was thinking, I know as the things I was I was thinking what I was. You're not you stopped ourselves. As a as the thing that was going on in my head, right? Then I had a bad pine. I'm like, oh, but oh, but I don't say that either. And then we could no don't say breast cancer is not a joke. No, no, you're fine. I put definitely wasn't that. It was it was all of the subsequent triggers in my head all the be rolling ahead. I know that everyone's like, oh, I wish he would have said, no, you don't. Defect that when comics censor themselves. You don't want to know what the hell they just ride. All right. Well, thank you. Thank you, Julie. So for that reporting problem that is terrifying. Marshall plan we've been on it since episode to no six two I think actually was the Magnitsky act. Oh, you're right. So check out episode six all about the Marshall plan came out December. I think of twenty seventeen it was a long time ago we were in our kitchen, pardon sound quality. Now, we're in a very professional studio fifty feet away in my spare room. But anyway, thank you for that reporting, and it's really comprehensive, and it's important that we follow this. Because that's one of the main things that this grand bargain was about Seth Abramson talks about the grand bargain was about getting the Saudis a nuclear bomb. Oh, yeah. All right. Well, thank you, Jordan. What is the happy with the Trump inauguration? Yeah. So the house until committee is asking for information from Stephanie Winston walk-off, she's a friend of Monty at Trump, and she's very involved in the planning of the Trump inaugural, which we've now designated as a bringer. Show. We talked about that. Maybe we kept sound which in comedy is a we're saying the inaugural was bring your show right in comedy of brigger show is a show that you only get to perform on. If you make your friends pay to come watch you. But of course, all of Trump's friends that he made pay for tickets live outside the country, hence, nobody physically showing up at Pitt in National Mall, bigger than the one that exists in his heart. So that was I wrote that. Yeah. That's right. I read then. Anyway, they're they're looking they're looking. Freddie. Details on foreign entities that may have been trying to influence Trump through offering gifts to him and his family as well as records about donors to Trump's inaugural committee. They're also asking for info on any communications between Trump inaugural and UAE cutter Saudi Arabia and Russia to name a few. We also learned that a federal grand jury apparently subpoenaed walk off in October of twenty eighteen which indicates a deep approved and was initially expected, right. Insert peps mutual care. I was gonna say who's going to bring it. But biles, but files on the beautiful. The Miller report is out there. Can we make his show called fouls? Like, please. Once people have stash for safekeeping before they go to jail, but I also feel really bad for the people try to Dougal our show because if you could go but files I'm sure that you're not gonna get what you're looking for. I'll tell you that it'll be this. He oh, that's for sure. Not establish. It's not going to be I'll tell you that. So this be from the house. It's a separate Cepeda from the one that federal prosecutors issued back in February to the Trump inaugural as a whole suggests note that up, but it was definitely for similar reasons. Like subpoenaed documents about donors finances and documents all their activities so walk off as a reminder, she worked in the White House until the inaugurals committee tax filings showed that walk-off had created a company weeks before the inauguration that received twenty five million dollars as a vendor. So she basically created a company in oversaw that provided services for the inauguration in cut to get that money herself. So she was overseeing the money that she was kidding is the issue there. And apparently wouldn't southern district of New York swiped off Cohen sheet last April, they came across recordings between Cohen and walk off in which they talked about concerns around exorbitant inaugural spending. And how the. Planning of the inaugural was managed. So as that the one where she was like what if we get audited? What the fuck are. We supposed to do. Right. Yeah. Yet. And and so that that recording was a really like big part of wise kickoff of that hold vested Gatien. So she's also apparently been cooperating with the southern district and their probes into co in for a lot longer than the inaugural committee was aware which is kind of funny like what you've been cooperating. It's like, I don't even know you anymore. All right. Yeah. If that how many seven investigations into the inaugural right now. Yeah. It's funny to me too. Because the lawyer is the one that told the inaugural that like he wasn't aware of her cooperating, which I don't know how that works. But and then also the eastern district New York has also been looking into the Trump inauguration committee like you said and the many different Los Angeles. Yes. An Easter district to they're specifically looking into Tom barracks ties to the Middle East. So this is like a multi headed heat-driven is that what that's called drafted Hadrian. Is that what that time? Tra- hydra hail hydra hydra each other Yan. He drawn is like a Doda Hadrian. It's like a shape. Don't decadent is a twenty sided dice for all you nerds. Okay. We'll that plus Medusa. There you go. That's what I'm trying to describe. Or is it dodo cahuna twelve sided dice. We'll get a corrections. Or we will let us know. Yeah. I knew what you meant Jordan. At least you got. I got the gist of what you were gone for. Thank you. I appreciate that. He drew hydra hydra hydra. That's the lady with the snakes that are hit. No, that's Medusa. God damn it. Hydra? It's like, it's. Where you get into the hard questions. Now. It's journalism. The hydra more often known as hydra is a serpentine water monster in Greek and Roman mythology. It's layer was in the lake of learner. And it's got heads many heads heads hens. Well, that was worth it many headed serpent are snakes inflate it with the snakes Medusa head. Right. But she just turns you into stone. Right. If you look at her, but also had snakes on our head. Hey, headbutted herself was not a snake. Correct. You okay. Lady hit conduit to snakes. Yeah. Just like monsters Inc. They lady had snakes in her. Head comes circle. That's right. Yeah. All right. Thank you. Going back to monsters Inc. All right. Nice. That's very helpful. So considering this multi headed investigation network exists. I don't think that this is going to be the end of individuals receiving subpoenas. As it relates to this matter or investigation because Adam Schiff, it will it especially not in the house intelligence committee. Right because Adam Schiff has said that the panel will investigate any financial or other leverage that foreign actors might have over Trump and his administration. So he's dedicate this he is dedicated, thankfully, thank you, Jordan. Yeah. Yeah. Wilco? Oh. Yes. So I was right. Doug Adrian, I was wrong and then right decorator and his twelve. But it's an Izhak he dron twenty-seven day. So there you go to places ancient Greek meaning twenty wow seat. Interesting died to play with dice, set, plural. Think dia singular. I think I wouldn't say that. Yeah. Usually role one twenty sided dire. Because I mean to what who needs to choose between forty five and things. That's funny. That would be a weird game of craps come on eight hundred. All right, cool. Well, thank you for that Trump inaugural going down the guys. This was a really interesting week in grand jury news those rewind back to bars letters, plural letters. It was just the one. But now there's four I think so we know the bullshit summary from March twenty four th right? And it's not even a summary after a bunch of media outlets exonerated, the president immediately, including KENDALL alien who has blocked me for calling him out on it. I thought for sure Trump would get an approval ratings boost member we talked about that. We were going to be bummer is prove ratings go up, but he got nothing. He got point one percent of a boost and polling shows that most Americans don't accept bars characterization and eighty four percent want to see the full Muller report. So that's an important thing to remember going forward. Because now that was the best it could have possibly ever gotten for Trump with the mole report was that moment, it will never be better than that for him. And he got point one percent of a boost out of it. So then a second letter shortly followed walking back. The first letter from bar telling us to stop referring to his letter as a summary. He also blamed the media for mischaracterizing it as a summary instead of himself, and that second letter is also when bar said that he would be redacting the Muller report. Specifically hiding information in four buckets grand jury information sources and methods tradecraft other classified info that's one uncharged third parties, which could include the president shit that could be embarrassing to Trump and information subject to executive privilege, so Barr says he has no plans to give the report to the president and he'd make all those decisions himself and that he would not make the April second deadline demanded by congress. But that he'd have to have he'd have it to them like by mid-april. So rather than wait for redacted report. The House Judiciary voted Wednesday to subpoena the full report and all the underlying evidence and documentation. And while we were waiting for that we heard from Muller's team for the first time in two years. They narrow peep from them and. Until this apparently, some members of the team told the press they were really pissed off about bars characterization of their work and the New York Times and the Washington Post reported that Muller staffers had actually written summaries for each section of the report there are multiple sections, and that that front matter was pretty much immediately ready for public release, Jerry Nadler, the democratic chair of the judiciary committee. We all know, Jerry, Mr. Nadler sent a letter to bar asking for the summaries. Give me the summaries. This is disturbing and all communications between the department and special council regarding the release or lack thereof of the Mola report. He's like why the fuck you, bro? They had written the summaries, and you didn't give him to us. You gave us both shit thing in. I'm I'm paraphrasing. And and now, you know, so now I now I wanna see all the communications about it. You fucking piece of shit bar fired back on behalf of Maine Justice say he didn't actually really on behalf of himself saying he didn't release the front matter summaries. Pared by the Muller staff because they contained grand jury materials and grand jury information. So this weapons grade asshole wants us to believe that the Muller team members wrote summaries for the public that included information that can't be viewed by the public, and I just call bullshit on that that is not possible. There might have been some things in there that could be quickly redacted, but their characterization of these frontman of this front matter is that it could pretty much immediately be released to the public. Yeah. It was public ready with the intention of being released to the public. I mean, it seems pretty clear, but we know bars intentions are aligned with Trump's. That's why he was placed there we were optimistic that we were wrong. And now, you know now we can see like we were blind. Yeah. Sorry. I misled you, all it's okay. Hey, I'm so ashamed. I also. I mean, it looks like that's that's like a likely thing. But we don't know everything in like you said, so you know, we don't. Yeah. But speaking of grand jury stuff. Muller's grand jury met Friday for the first time since Roger stone was indicted as I mentioned earlier during corrections. And then there was a CNN article that went out Friday with a super misleading headline saying a federal appeals court ruled that federal district. Judges do not have the power to make grand jury records public. Okay, CNN. I. True public public. They don't have a right to make it public very misleading headline because this case was about an author that was writing a book about a guy that got murdered in the fifties. And he was asking the court for the grand jury material. So he could write his book and the court decided this dude couldn't have them because the court doesn't have the inherent power to release grand jury materials outside of rule six e to the public, but do not worry everyone rule. Six e allows for release to congress under certain circumstances. That is how the war ski stuff made it from Watergate from their grand jury to congress and to tell the Ken Starr grand jury stuff made it to congress, but he also released his full ass report. Because that that those situations fall within the purview of rule six e and CNN's trying to make it sound like Muller can't release his grand jury stuff. Sorry. But that's not the case at all. So this probably won't have any effect. It could you know, depending on how the, you know, the court decides. But I don't think it's going to have any effect on the motor. Grand jury material, and I wish these assholes who quit misapplying law. Yeah. Do you? Remember when there was that case, everyone was flipping out about because the mainstream media said everyone should freak out about it was US versus gamble and it had to do with the dual serenity doctrine and double jeopardy, and everyone was like there's going to be able to pardon everybody. Yeah. What the supreme court. Yeah. This is another one of those everyone. It's cool. I forget I forget what exactly they were trying to say I knew you were going to ask me that God damn double jeopardy, right? They were basically trying to say it was this guy who had committed a crime he went to jail, and then he was charged again at the state level. And they said you aren't allowed to do that because of the dual who rented doctrine, and that was because he'd already gone to jail. So that's kind of and they were saying you can't do that. And that's a very specific instance. And I think that that that is double jeopardy, and that applies to that specific case, but it wouldn't in these other cases where these guys haven't gone to jail yet, and where the crimes aren't the same. And because this was the exact same crime. And in these like demand afford case, you know, he's being taken taken down in new York Attorney General they're they're separate crime. Or is it the DA Manhattan District Attorney for the all the real estate stuff crimes mortgage stuff fraud? I think it's the DA dotting always question. That's all. I think it's it's Sivan's. Right. I can't remember anyway that that's all a different those are different crimes. Yeah. So it's not the same one. Oh, wait a second. They're the same crimes, but it's tax. It's tax stuff. And so they have to do with state taxes and local real estate stuff because he evaded federal taxes. And that was the federal prosecution here, he evaded the state taxes. Okay. So basically charging for the same crimes, but on a state level instead of a federal level, right? Yeah. Technically considered like a separate or like new proceeding technically a different crime because he evaded state taxes instead of evading federal tax. There's like there's different different percentage in the whole differently system. Right. Yeah. So this is one of those kind of things the US gamble from experts and lawyers. I've spoken to including Barbara mcquaid. More grand jury material falls within the sixty guidelines, and there's a lot of precedent for this. Again, it could could like I said it could go any way. But I really think that the laws on the side on on our side on this one but this week judge barrel. How the one that would decide on the grand jury stuff being sent to congress ruled that she would not release the name of the mystery company. From country A because the case is still ongoing. That's the continues robustly case. And maybe that's what the grand jury was meeting about this Friday, or perhaps like I said, just as porn total space beans complete theory based on nothing, please don't hold me to this. But maybe the grand jury is also pissed about bar memo. Like I said before and they know from listening to Muller she wrote about the jury ski roadmap. And maybe they went down there to authorize the release of the materials to the House Judiciary. Just like the Watergate the Watergate grand jury took it upon themselves to do. This is a dream of mine again, don't get mad. If it doesn't come true. Dreams. All right. You guys ready for sabotage. Yes. Alright initially this sabotage was about what did not happen this week. We were expecting to get an update on the Sam patents like a sentencing update sentencing memo in the San Patten case filed by the Miller team, and that was due midnight last night came and went didn't hear anything. And that immediately said to me, I remembered that whole Manafort filing when they got it all, and they you know, they were supposed to release it by midnight. But they were so much of it. They had to go through it and redacted for public consumption. And so that that's what I thought was happening. Here says they're looking at it. They're deciding if if it can be released to the public, and if they redact any or part of it that means that those parts are still part of an open and ongoing investigation, which makes sense because as Jordan you're saying there are seven investigations into the president's inaugural and Sam patent is the guy who was selling tickets, you know, getting bringer. Bringer bringer the Ukrainian bring her show, and basically taking fifty thousand dollars from the two dudes that got the polling data from Manafort via Kalinic and funneled into the inaugural. That's one of an and I know Muller was an handed off looking at all kinds of like why were there so many Chinese folks Chinese businessmen and stuff like that? What was all with all the the Ukrainians, and why were they all there? And so I know that they're all that's heavy investigation. They're still it's still ongoing. But yeah, molars done. Yeah. He might be seven days Mollie lives on what just two minutes ago. Somebody sent me something it's a photo. I think of a case docket. And it says I'm looking at right now. April fourth. Twenty nineteen recommendation PSI report prepared by Susko Kelly Cramer soya's, no idea as to w Samuel Patten regarding final pre sentence investigation report not for public disclosure per judicial conference policy entered April fourth two thousand nineteen the end. So I don't know if somebody made this up or if this is really what happened. But apparently we aren't allowed to see what's in that report yet interesting. To might need to take that on that knowledge with you in to the fantasy indictment league. Oh, yeah. No, it is going to be a clinic. Dick. They can't it's gonna be okay. Just calm down. All right, guys. It is time to play and I get to go. I I pick Assange God damage Assange apparently is ours. Today's away from being snatched up kicked out of the Ecuadorian embassy. I'm worried about his cat. I want to know what's going on with him. There should be a an an Assange. Assange cat on Twitter just to keep me up. Yeah. I think someone said they actually do have it. Good. I hope I hope we get to try to follow the steps of the cat. That's my little bean print. We'll be in was my biggest worry is has little Pete's so could yank Julius. I'm gonna go with Wiesel Berg with the Coen stuff. I think it's still going to brew up. You know may something. Yeah. Whereas Bergh WikiLeaks WikiLeaks WikiLeaks. Can I call him weasel Berg? I'm sorry. I know her past it by like, that's that a potential. Okay. Cool easel. Easel question. I keep picking with leaks in addition to Assange because I'm assuming that that would entail like a different level of procedures different. Yeah. I would imagine. What is if he's the like head of it? Then isn't he still the person that's primarily implicate? I think we as an entity could also be indicted indicted. An entity on indicting any person, you're indicting the represent them just a lawyer. And that's it. I think represent and is a good question. Yeah. Interesting. Okay. Well, he'll be able sucked but derive looked. It is definitely a separate thing. Like, we we abided promotion and concord management and management concord management yet. Irene dudes, and he and conquer management is represented right now by American lawyers promotions nowhere near the courtroom. Obviously, he's not gonna come to the United States. It'd be snatched up in a second. Yeah. Good example. Apples to oranges though. A little bit different totally okay. Cool WikiLeaks WikiLeaks WikiLeaks shut up. Let's see I'm gonna go with am. I cool Enquirer. I think it would be am. I since it's the parent company, but it might just get the Enquirer. But I think no I am. I was the one who signed the non prosecutorial agreement one of them. Cool. I'm gonna do vodka. All right. Yeah. I don't think she's invincible a little what do they call it behind her back? The White House staff calls are royalty prince or something like that like some some kind of Princeton majesty. Yeah. But it's not even like a big burn his like that's their way of like making the White House Princess. Yeah. Something like that. Yeah. Bitch, Princess royalty. I think is what it is. Which is a cool rapper name. I know someone who's like Princess Nokia so NC working out for a mix tape. Yvonne. Yeah. Mix tape. You know, I would give it to her. Because like if he's he can't even talk yet, but bad, Bobby. She's the one that I was like catch me outside like or bad baby pronounce her name. She's a really good rapper like vodka should get out of politics and get into hip hop. And she might be more well-liked. You're not buying it. Hey, I'll let you know drops a lot of people don't realize I can wrap. So that's so true AG? You got mad bars. Thanks, man. Okay. Yes. He waqa. Let's do. Tom barrack, good one. Nice guys in trouble in like nine different ways. Yeah, he's the anti Barack his the type rock. I like it. He just needs a like a Van Dyke like a mustache evil goatee. Yeah. Yeah. All right. I'm gonna go with Dylan Howard lawyer for AM. I he's also had a non prosecution agreement pecker didn't but pecker partial immunity. Yeah. So I'm gonna go Dylan Howard. Okay. I'm gonna do Sherry Dylan. She. Yeah. One of those tax councils for the Trump org. Good one. How about? Kushner kush. Good kish. I'm gonna go with pecker that you're going to say tripling down there. Yeah. I'm going all in on the AM. I stuff I like that. It's like a theme of the is that the fourth one that is your fourth. I will go with junior. Such a long shot. But he said I wanna I mean, something right? Just for his face for his beard with little thing on his face. Totally. Yeah. I indict him for that. I die too. I'm going to say. Coursey plea agreement bringing that back around and get it back in that case, I'm going to go with boulevard, Nick my last one. He's the guy who gave bunch of money to Mitch. Yeah, I'm trying to write his name. And I'm like, I have no idea how to respell be LA AT. And I k wow, I wasn't too far of just a couple of letters. Just all just all but one, okay, I'm gonna go with we got all the kids except for Eric. I mean, honestly, Eric just a fun one pick. But. Yeah. I'm gonna go with airing. Because you never know. I don't think he's clean. And I always like leave him out of the pig. So I have all the other siblings. I forget that Tiffany is a person. That's right. But I pick Eric over Tiffany. So is their dad. Yeah. I know it's kind of a throwaway. But if you're going to get one sibling removed wouldn't get him. Oh, yeah. I think. Yeah. You guys have Jordan has one more. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. Let me see one two three four ya shit. I'm so sorry. No worries. I was just sitting here researching bovin Nick wealthiest man in the UK in the fiftieth wealthiest person in the world. Wow. And basis is X Y was about to be the fourth which is woman every time. I see your face like that so face before. That's really it's the smirk on her face is what it seems like she's really she's going to be a little happy about that or sad that her marriage is falling apart. So I don't wanna be a dick. Yeah. That's also bummer. Yeah. Okay. I'm going to say. Dirty dirty Bert dirty bird Sanchez during. Yeah. Let's get. It's good. Yeah. Michael Sanchez Reynolds. That's right. Yes. Michael sanchez. Yeah. 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You know, him from the smartest man in the world podcast, and whose line is it anyway, he'll be joining us live at Largo in Los Angeles, April eighteenth, please welcome Greg Proops, Greg. Thanks for joining us on Muller. She wrote g Allen the alerts are you? I'm great. I'm great. We just got back from the road. You're on the road, so roads. Yeah massacre. We're going to Bloomington tonight, which is kind of the I don't know how to describe it the Berkeley of Indiana. If there is such a thing. Okay. Kind of like Athens, Georgia exactly right on let us know. How that goes? That'll be cool. Are you doing a your are you to and on your album, or are you doing whose line on those whose live? Yeah. We got Dave fully with us this week in the next week jerus- attune venture shows, David stock cool. And then I go to Star Wars convention. Ooh. Where's that in Chicago on the fourteen fifteen nice? We just had wonder con and then Comecon coming up. We always go to that. Yeah. I've never been before. I mean, I'm into Comecon. Oh my God. Like eighty something when it was little dinky nothing. The Alec three boosts in guys selling comic books, and that was it. Right. It was a common per exactly now. Yeah. This isn't big Star Wars to do in Chicago. So they often become so from doing it because I was with I was in the, of course, the finest of all the movies, the ten amendments. We did an animated hill last year called the resistance. And I was in that as well. And then there was one a couple years ago own hearse. Remember, I think I played a bad guy note, it was his cool, and I tried to kill princes dollar, then my catcher gets blown into bone away. And then they call me after I did it knows like you want to do the same again. Those like my couch is dead. Anyway, Greg it Star Wars prequel. She never really dead near universe. Oh, well, that's that's a bonus. Good job security. Right. Yeah. They're just rebooted every few years with time travel. And you're good to go. Exactly. Somehow. I keep popping up in every incarnation of. I couldn't be fun. Yeah. That that is that is good. Well, I wanted to talk to you a little bit today about the wanted to see how you were feeling after the quote unquote, release of the quote unquote, Mullah report and the now seeming walked back on the call for exoneration and no collusion, no coordination by the mainstream media. What how are you? How are you thinking about this? Well, I mean, it's it's it's disappointing. Disgusting, of course. But I mean, I think this was the reason they even pick bar to be is because he is a completely in the bag corrupt. He already written a bunch of papers have met with other guys federalist society saying he didn't feel the president could ever be indicted that he clocked at every turn. And so, you know, molars square, you know, his history shooter his team sent him. This giant report because that was what they were legally supposed to do the notes they didn't leak it or give it to Jerry Nadler hip for you know, to the New York Times, or whatever or whatever, the whatever. Right wingers think the press does give it to the lefty, lesbian vegan journal in Madison, Wisconsin they play ball. And they gave it to the Justice department, Ernie stuffed it, then he gave out crappy redacted of semi coherent the non sentence letter, and then was to subsequent letters that have been clarified anything. And of course, they did a victory though about it. I mean, the one thing you can be sure of. Obviously, I'm burning with rage of whole thing when he was sure of is that if genie Pero of born twenty five or screaming something very loudly that it's the absolute opposite of the truth because they're compulsive congenital pathological liars. They have no truck with the truth whatsoever. So him screaming, collusion and exoneration. And all that means there's tons of it in there. And the, you know, they said the you didn't know that you've been reading New York Times in the Washington Post westlb's Mueller's teams hacked off the it's being characterized this way that it's some sort of blanket exoneration of their like by no means is it that there's tons of stuff in there. This is an international conspiracy to commit crimes and they've done a lot of research on it. And they spend a lot of time putting it together and apparently have their own version. That's that is redacted and ready to go to the released to the public without endangering anybody that is one of the danger is. Bars whole rationale that certain people will be heard or whatever he flies completely in the face of how he acted. During you know. The Clinton administration any precedent? Let's be honest. When when they impeach Clinton, Ken Starr, whose of terrible terrible person in lawyer release that awful report, and it was lurid and damaging and basically made Clinton more popular because it was so awful and. I think that is all of ours reasons are just complete nonsense in eastern long. So I don't know there was a long answer. But I don't I think these guys are gonna leak out. I think that new there subpoenaing the devil out of the report. I think that the mentally. Then announced committee will get it. And also, I feel like this. This White House is super leaky. It seems to me someone might djembe. And then threw it out. There is a distinct possibility, you're right. That is everybody pretty throat there, and they all kind of want to dick each other over. So he's he's down to putting Herman Cain on the fed. We're talking to someone who you wouldn't let him walk your kid across the street. You know, what they're not only if he had known predator. He he he's has all the call to be a Trump appointee. He's stupid baragan entitled and a sexual predator. You may remember what her McCain ran for president a reporter asked him about his Beker, STAN. And he thought that it was a native country, and you want is Becky Becky, Becky, STAN, you're trying to trick me trick me by knowing where foreign country was or what it was. And then his campaign went down in flames because it turned out he was sexually harass. You. Everyone on earth. So he's exactly perfect. For forty five to put in there with the other count-, more whatever his name as he's hasn't. Did his wife anything, you know, basically, you have to be an abuser of women for him to recognize unique knowledge you and then failing not the or including in that a white supremacist is those sort of the two and willing to lie at all times. Now, I think when he Mattis left not really fit the Bill because he was screaming white supremacist. But I think you just got tired of lying all the time. You know, a certain point is military training kicked in. And he was like, no, I can't I'm trying to be changing your mind because seconds. You know, what successful policies have come in the last two years, the tax cut for the rich, and that was pretty much it the only legislative thing maybe some of that crappy prison reform thing, of course, it's not wishing the, you know, the the child detention prison pedophile camps that they have for immigrants now at all. They don't have a lot of. I mean, he was going to close the border was he the mini walked out. When back we were going to have we were gonna destroy the Affordable Care Act and than they walked out when back after McConnell called them in what do not do this to me. And I think that everything that come up with is so wildly unpopular with the public. Did the only reason we're not tasting everybody through the streets with torches is because the mainstream media is run by guys like Jeff Zucker and their white guys. And they want to protect this. They want to keep it going to them. It's a game to them. It's a horse race them both sides equal. That's why the mainstream press exoneration of repeating crappy White House talking points was real shameful shameful episode. If anything they should have all just went one. This is their version of this. We're going to wait until we see it. And I didn't see a lot of reported other than Rachel, of course. And some other. You know, astute reporters Natasha Bertrand in, you know, the usual ones that that dig deep Jay the corn and the ones that are experts on this all went, no and the ugali New York Times Washington Post and all happy to put out off ED's about how should be over. The first of all there's no such things collusion. We've talked about it before there's conspiracy collusion's a made up word. And then there was Coen's. I I'm sure if you saw that today. Cones lawyers have tons of stuff. They're mad that he's gonna have to do three years for what they've described as doing what Trump asked him to do. And so they're saying, you know, he's got tons of material on the Russian meetings and all the things that we need to place. I mean. Even if they save their exonerated it. Doesn't change the very facts that we already know that there was a meeting at Trump Tower. There was a real estate deal in place. The Trump junior Jared were competing with Manafort doesn't change the manafort's going to jail doesn't change a cones going to Joe I think it was a major fail on the. The media, but didn't. AG? I'm just so I don't believe in the fake news thing. I really I really detested. So Nazi Germany just makes me sick. It's absolutely. The Nafi playbook. They always use that phrase. And it's also any semitic. Let's be honest. The call the press fake news in the line. Crosses would the German than off his leg press? Right. They lie. He has straight out of Gurboz pan book. Yeah. Absolutely Gurbuz invented that. You know, really popularized that idea because they had moves in radio, and and it learn more than Kyar pioneered the use of the radio address Sooners read popular in threes. He went on every week. And then it was all about the Jews, and the communists and the intellectuals and the and the in the queers, and this that and demonizing everybody, and I think this would be trying to do. However, having said that I feel like the Prescott of that a little more staunch about this Miller report instead of holding and just going. Oh, well, he says he's exonerated. He must be. She it's like, no, no. No, no. Yeah. I think they did definitely fold like you said, and you know, speaking of one of our biggest mistakes was kind of giving bar the benefit of the doubt. We're like he's friends with Muller. He's been the edgy before. Yeah. It was a, you know around contra kind of cover up he kind of a party guy. But you know, let's wait and see what happens. And now, it just seems to me like he's doing cover up for Trump instead of being an independent, you know, head of the department of Justice report of his appointment was that he'd assured for him. What's like Galvano were much like Gorsuch organization. Ross were DeVos or any of these knuckleheads that are in there. They had assurances beforehand that they absolutely protected at all costs until the line. And that's why he was put in the Senate approved him because we're missing for Republicans with a conscience all these things passed by couple of three votes. And if Mitch McConnell was to suddenly turn into a box of cornflakes tomorrow. It be the best thing that ever happened to the United States has been the most destructive force of in politics in the last twenty years. This thing I can't wrap my head around what happened to Rosenstein. He seemed to be a heat shield for this whole thing. And now he is not no notice how acquainted he's been her last week. I think they've been Muslim, and I think. I had a feeling that. I thought he might even resign at some point over this nonsense. But making just going to try to. They're big. They don't have a big overarching strategy, and he's not a genius. You doesn't think of long range plans or anything like that? Because he doesn't have any thoughts about long range plans. He doesn't read he receives information through television. And isn't even watch all the stations, the only watches the one he likes, and you know, Ruth was replacement, and I think what scared for was that he had too much integrity. And now we're seeing that he's willing to play ball on this to just don't get it because he is a witness in the obstruction of Justice case. So bar is clearly instructing Justice because he's one two three others now explaining why he is into releasing the report that he said he was going to release, of course, Forty-five said a week ago. Hey released let everyone see it. And then as soon as it came out new don't release it because he knows that there's going to be page after page after page of your page of descriptions of him, obstructing, Justice and other nefarious activities going on. I think that the attorney general's in. You are in Virginia other jurisdictions are going to be carrying on with this case for a long time. I don't think anyone's out of the woods on this. I don't think it even begins to breadth and scope of Trump crime organization. I think when Adam Schiff gets blurred fun of the committee, which he described as inevitable yesterday. That's going to be a moment. And hopefully that'll be televised VC Bob Muller up there for all day committee. Of course, all the Republicans lock like morons. Jim Jordan will scream and you know. And Bill elected depend heads that they are. And they're having a race to see can be the stupidest between Louie Gohmert. Not gates, Mark meadows. Jim, jordan. And of course, the reprehensible king. But I think when they get Muller Muller is going to be very forthcoming. And now, we have Jerry Nadler who be based on the Washington Post New York Times reporting from this week saying that there were people in Muller's team who wrote up summaries front matter for each section of the report that were intended for the public that now Lurs demanding these summaries, and and trying to find get all communications regarding why these summaries weren't released and bar sort of walking it back seeing that he can't he couldn't release the summaries because they contained grand jury material. So he wants us to believe that. Career DOJ FBI Muller team, lawyers wrote summaries for public consumption that weren't allowed to be viewed by the public, and that has got to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard of -solutely the biggest orient law. Now, we're into like the communist Russia playbook here where you just say something. That's absolutely the obverse of the truth as you said Muller's team or would would twenty always call them the fifteen angry Democrats, which they aren't are all experienced prosecutors. And they were never going to ride something there summation. I'm sure is extraordinary reading. You know, it's going to be page after page of socks laid down, very carefully. It's not going to be the incoherent. I believe there's no full sentences on the first crop four-page letter that are put out right just sentence fragments. So this is where we're around here where we're at the illiterate level of governance. Yeah. It is. It's a shocking state of affairs. But I don't think. You know, I don't think it holds together forever. Here's a question for you. Do you think that the Democrats? Some people are saying Democrats Jerry Nadler committee chairs in the house should wait to see what they get from bar before. They start demanding the report or do you think they're right to immediately? You know, request and then probably subpoena. These reports I think you're right to do it. I think Neil on the Zee on the finance committee. He's a austere s for all of forty fives returns. I think that that's why forty five, you know, running around craziest hand crazy still flick windows caused cancer and stuff. Because he's being deceived on all sides. Now, everybody knows for a bloody fact, which we already knew that Kushner known Eliza security risk should have never had security clearance that he's was I can't remember the exact description. The other day Ivanka were described as their personal encounters with people were not even savory. Meaning my guess is that they've been calling up every Saudi and Chinese person they could and tried to sell everything they know. And so that's coming down on him to Felix sater's going to testify is not in a week's time cone is desperate to squeal more because tone is desperate. Not to do any of that three years. If his lawyers blue thing open today with all his Russians done, please look at it. He he just doesn't want to go to prison for what he feels like was his job. His job was to cover up. His job was intimidated job was to be the. Mob lawyer. And so he did it then he got caught for it. And he got he got federal time. And now he wants to sing and sing and sing and sing Anini. Now, the idea that anyone's defending him at this point is this is the lowest point in history for the Republican party. Obviously, I I lived through Watergate, and I lived through on contra when I lived through water, and w and Cheney, and they're all just awful there's been like four presidents ever who weren't white supremacist. Tito, and. The amount of corruption in Reagan as minister ration- was astonishing, and it was recommended that he put everyone in jail and Herbert Walker king and just wrote it where to get out of jail free card. What happened in Iran contra was a complete breach of the constitution in the bowl? It was really bad. What happened in Watergate is kinda smallish potatoes considered compared to what this is going on. Now. Are about contact with a foreign power to disrupt United States to change the course of the election, which it did. And we know all this and my God, the national security advisor pleaded guilty and is going to go to jail, and he had all the code books, and he had all the information. And he spent a couple of months in office just selling it all out to the Russians and yet people come on TV and Yonne scream and people, right, fiery beds, and. Lindsey Graham gets up every morning and Mitcham Koga morning, and you don't drink a bowl of human blood because they're gonna Kito Dieter, whatever. Go about their merry way. Let me ask you this, gene. I'd like to try to understand evil when I keep coming back to the horrible or William conclusion that he makes the nineteen Eighty-four when. When O'Brien is torturing Winston at the end. And Winston says I know how I just wanna know why why do we have this state of terror and O'Brien says power the reason for power is power and power power to inflict pain on other people? And that's it. He goes, a you. There isn't a big that would is if the revolution isn't to overthrow the government. The government is the revolution install the government. You know, and. I'd like to think that it's not that way. But I'm kind of believing these people it is because otherwise why would you want the entire world poisoned? One everything the economy to be destroyed are standing to be toppled in the world. Why would you do all these things? What's the endgame of it? I know McConnell's real old. But not home the real old, certainly they realized there. This is heal. His presidency will will be over in a couple of years, or at least will face the possibility of being over. And what are they going to run on them in the midterms? Wasn't a big smashing success for them. The they marked up one hundred seats to women all of a sudden, there's all these women of color running around congress which has been completely scared. And their term for scared is crazy right anytime anyone's progressive or of a different color or gender. They're crazy gas lighting us, basically. And and to your point about, you know, the the Orwell, Ian, I know how but why we've got a friend friend of mine comedian named Tam Catan. He's got new podcast out called they tried to bury us, it's it's about immigration, very funny, but also very progressive guy. And he talks about how fear and hate and power. You know, being the things that they're after as the why are like an addiction because they're easy. And and so I think when I to answer your question there when I frame this power and hate and fear is kind of an addiction like drug addiction. It it seems to make a little more sense to me as to why they would continue to go after this this power for seemingly no other reason than to hurt people. And it's because it feels good to them, and they're addicted to it. You know, they're hemorrhaging women. They have been for a while the midterms was obsolete forum on on him and his policies. Well, the only way they can win is to cheat. That's the only way they can win. They have to make sure that the college days in which is why there needs to be big push to abolish it. They have to make sure that voter suppression is entrenched, which is why he wants to make co box of you know, ordering czar box the most egregious oppressor voters since Brian countdown to screaming white supremacist. They wanna make sure women account have healthcare, which is you know, they don't cease to the same thing. One of the first things in thirties was to ban abortion. I think there are literally trying to kill democratic voters by abolishing healthcare taking away welfare takeaway food stamps taking away Medicare shutting down the border because I took Tucker Carlson. Said the other day that Democrats want open borders because we want to quote unquote, changed the population which is not to shit right there. But I think they're literally trying to eliminate through death democratic voters. And then also, you know, they they're tacking it from multiple sides. Right. Because you've got all those things that I just mentioned plus the districting, plus the voting's are killing voting rights Bill suppression and teaming up with four and adversaries who are global authoritarians to try to suppress the vote an older finger going on. At the same time. If the the election is happens one, there's of course, the crazy dog scenarios of they try to stop dealership happening to the election happens. He loses he refuses to God Tecate. And somehow the Justice department has to remove him from office or the army or whatever happens at that point. Then it becomes a coup. If it's allowed to we if we even have an election that was tainted as the last one, they're going to lose all all the states that went for him got weeping is I think everybody's hip to the jive. I think people are more galvanized than there ever were. I'm sure in your life. You've seen people that didn't ever care. One wit for politics, all of a sudden card carrying in the street. So ending a going to meetings and active leading, you know, becoming activists in. I think it's kind of scaring them a little the we're in changing real fast. The problem is they got a lot of billionaires. They got all the resources because reach white guys run everything, and they got a lot of rich white guys in regarding. Your point on gas lighting because I think I think one of our listeners may be emailed me and said that we're that term originates from this is somebody who was telling another person that they were crazy because that person thought that the lights in these gas lamps were getting brighter and dimmer, and he would change the levels of them, but tell them, but tell the other person you're crazy, if you think that until the person believed it, but if you can find a way to measure, the light, and I think he'd said something like it's called voluminous flux or something like that. Then that's the way to resist being gas lit is proving. But the light levels are changing. And so I just thought that was a really interesting sort of analogy and metaphor for kind of what's going on right now. And because I, you know, I'm going to get a bunch of emails saying, I'm absolutely insane thinking that Republicans are surpr-. The vote in ways that actually physically harm. You're not insuring at all denying. People health care is a great way to kill a bunch of people an infant mortality rates to guarantee high. Now, we're we're really poor in that people are there's already level on here in Indianapolis. So then hit up seventy two times between hair and across the street. Already is raging. And then we have to hear Howard Schultz, go on and talk about officials will never work and Jamie diamond talking about how you know, g capitalism's great and everything and it's like Jimmy done. It should be in jail. What happened in two thousand eight and Howard Schultz to just shut up if he really wants to help you shouldn't run for president. He should give one of the women running for president Goba jillion dollars and campaign. No. Yeah. You you people don't want to believe the worst. I still get people saying in the used to be funny before you were all political got one always than political and to you hiding your head in the sand and wanting eighty just make you laugh as a clown is not going to stop everything that's happening. So and three I'm citizen that toxin I have as much as anyone else. And for a really really funny. Fuck you. I'm gonna talk to who jokes. And I I am the socks the docket. So they are trying to kill people, and they are trying to do this. It's not paranoia. There's a movie from nineteen. Forty maybe with Ingrid Bergman and Charles Boyer. And it's called gaslight and fantastically. Engine Landsberg plays the slutty horrible duplicitous Nate in it and Ingrid Bergman Charles Boyer. And he's longing to her all the time. She's like to top and he's like you're imagining here, and she starts to go out. And. That's exactly what they're trying to do date. What was it? Or will? Also, the chief commander the party was absolutely not believe what you saw right in front of you here is in here with your ears. And that was their final something or other. Yeah. Yeah. Those are fine with most important command his scene in the book where she because he works at the ministry of information, which is the ministry of truth, which is in charge of laws and the chocolate rations gone from three grams two grams, and then he's given the assignment to write the article the next day that the chocolate rations been raised ca two grams and he had Britain. He just saw come across his desk the day before that it was lowered. And so he writes it and sends a, and you know, the world goes on and I feel like that's where we're at. Now, it reached a level of criminality where Forty-five destroyed so many. You know, we're not having conferences anymore. They just shout. What would she say? The other day, smokey is said I got in trouble because I called her Sarah Huckabee pound cake. It wasn't meant to be about a way to five thought. It was funny. But I try not to touch him smokey. I said a gimmick cruncher sore losers. We're the juice box level of discourse here. Not to mention they seem to completely forget what happened in the mid term elections. Boy did that get not played. I mean, I've been saying it over and over again, there's one hundred black women narrows all over the country. Chicago just elected a black resume woman. Mayor San Francisco has a black woman there Atlanta's women their New Orleans, Charlotte, the face of everything changed and still. Early. Twenty five percent of that. Congressman what twenty percent of the Senate and still men are not about it and still minner pushing women around and making comments about our. Cortez in and making their crazy. They're out of control, and you've seen excellent all the new congresswoman have been Katie, Katie hill. And I ended up Presley and Cortez. They get in there and they dig deep, and they don't let these guys off the hook. And I think the people who chair all these committees. It's just it's a world of changing, I think that's what's from soup to they didn't expect after the Ryan congress for this congress to be a fulfilling their job, which is to conduct oversight. But Polisi said it yesterday, she said you wanna be presidential. What's the by report wannabe be presidential Utah? Teachers, and we're going to keep asking him till we got them not can be some hope to carry on like to think that you know, I don't know about fixing this in my lifetime. But certainly we can pull back from the having a crime family run run the show here because it is. Confusing depressing every day to to wake up to this and try to make any kind of sense out of them. I think the answer is that we just we've been saying it for a while now, which is a vote in numbers too. Big to manipulate it's up to us. Really? We've always been saying, you know, plea Muller is not a messiah he's not a savior Andrea Chalupa on the show a couple of weeks ago said we are the Muller's we've been waiting for. And we have to leave this up to ourselves and congress the mole report or excuse me. The bar letter did not give Trump any boost. I thought he would his ratings would go up, but they did not or his approval rating, but it didn't. And so I think that what slowly drips out of this Mullah report on top of all the public reporting. We already are aware of can only be negative of for him. So we just have to keep demanding that demand his tax returns keep these investigations full-throttle. And and vote. Fortunately, were Democrats. We can do two things at once. So I think I think that's going to be the answer. We are are we we we get the government we deserve. A we have to work harder. We have to battle electoral college. We have to battle redistricting. We have to battle four and influence. We have to battle cheating and misinformation and disinformation campaigns and propaganda. But I think we can do it. There's way more of us. I think we can do it. All right. Great. I couldn't agree more. Gee, I think overwhelming tied like you said if everyone voted who wasn't for this. There's standard of winning end. I also noticed that within a couple of days, the polls came out, and no one believed them everyone believes that woman was right in that. They shouldn't be withholding this this isn't really working either. But then nothing they do really works. Just keep repeating stuff in line screaming and hoping it all goes away. Which is I think they're big game pilots to at all goes away. I mean part of why I could see him not wanting to ever leave. The office is. Is that he's certain to be chase down as a private citizen? If he lives through this. 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The Power of Vice
"Vice-presidency a mostly symbolic job. However, if we came to a. Different. Understanding I can handle them. More Monday jobs. Overseeing bureaucracy military. Energy then foreign policy. Yeah. Right. I like that. That's a scene from the movie vice the new bio pic about former Vice President Dick Cheney that this week picked up eight Oscar nominations, including one for best picture best actor for the performance by Christian bale and best director and screenplay for the man behind the movie, Adam McKay, the film is look back at an era long before Donald Trump when Cheney perhaps the most powerful vice president in US history took over much of the US government distorting intelligence about weapons of mass destruction in order to push the country into war in Iraq, getting approval for water, boarding and other enhanced interrogation techniques that amounted to torture and helping to dramatically expand the boundaries of executive power unchecked by congress while we all obsess over the Russia scandal and the thuggish behavior of Trump and his minions. It is worth remembering that not too long ago? There were other grave threats to American democracy. What lessons can we learn from that period? Did that can guide us through today's crises. We'll discuss with the man who conceived and created vice Adam McKay on this episode of skulduggery. Because people have got to know whether or not their president's across. Well, I'm not a crook. I told the American people I did not trade arms hostile my heart. And my best intentions still tell me that's true. But the facts and the evidence tell me it is not I did not have sexual relations with that one. There will be no allies, we will honor the American people with the truth and nothing else. A Mike gov. Chief investigative correspondent for Yahoo news. I'm Dan Kleinman editor in chief of Yahoo news. So look I am really jazzed about getting Adam McKay for skulduggery. I think he's our first Oscar nominee on this podcast skulduggery goes Hollywood. All right. Well, the first of many, I there's a lot. We gotta deal with on the Muller investigation. Trump and Russia, we're going to have our colleague, John alter in a minute talking about all this just one thing just for starters these claims about witness intimidation that Lanny Davis Michael Collins advisor at put out there just this week. I don't know it seems look there's no question we got thuggish behavior by Trump and and Giuliani bringing up Colin's father in law. But the point that I think is important to keep in mind. Here is Cohen has already given his stories. Seventy hours with Muller and the southern district his testimony his account is locked in the US government. The Justice department knows what it is already. I totally agree. It's outrageous behavior. It's not normal behavior by a president. But I really doubt that prosecutors could bring any kind of witness tampering case against Donald Trump or even really make it this specific allegation part of an impeachment proceedings. It could possibly be part of a larger pattern of obstruction, but not witness tampering per se. I mean for one thing you have to prove corrupt intent you have to approve that, that's the hard. Well, no. But you have to approve what you're doing is attempting to obstruct an official preceding to your point about these things that have already taken place, and look Donald Trump can always say I'm tweeting to the world on tweeting to the American public into voters because I'm try. To influence them. That's what I do. I'm a politician. So there's no case here in my mind. And I think I were sort of hyperventilating about it. But that doesn't mean there isn't a lot to get to and we should get right to it. And now to help us dissect the latest developments in the Muller investigation. The BuzzFeed story, Michael Cohen's upcoming testimony and all related matters, our old friend and colleague John altered. John welcome back to skulduggery. Thanks a lot. Yeah. And I share and I should mention them. We'll talk about this later. John is also the co director of deadline artists, a fabulous HBO movie that will be airing. This upcoming twenty eighth of January documentary airs at eight PM on Monday, the twenty eighth on HBO one day cough. They'll be doing a documentary about you about an ex extinct brand of journalism records sting states. Yeah. We should say this is about to legendary New York newspaper columnist Jimmy breslin and Pete Hamill. It's a fascinating deep dive into what real newspaper jer. Journalism is all about something. We should all remember. We'll talk about that soon enough. But John, you know, it's been a really remarkable week on developments on the Trump Russia story, we had the BuzzFeed story, basically alleging that Muller as evidence that amounts to an impeachable offense that the president directed Michael Cohen to lie about the Trump Tower Moscow deal that riled. Everybody up. Democrats were tweeting making public statements. This is an impeachable offense. We need to aggressively act on this. Then Muller seems to shoot it down saying the story is quote, not accurate. Your take on the developments of the last week. Well, even though it is an impeachable offense to suborn perjury to encourage people to lie. I was skeptical. When I first read the BuzzFeed story for this reason, I think this crowd lies lake. They breathe and you don't have to say to somebody. Hey, Mike, take a breath. This is what they do. This is what they did not have to be directed by the president. The president directed by the president every word out of Trump's mouth every other word is a lie and they've been catalogued and Michael Cohen. If you look back at what he said before he he flipped most of what he said was also a lie. So you know, it reminds me of there was a a foreign policy expert in the nineteen seventies. And then helmet Sonnenfeld. And this is why we liked to have John is obscure. All right, but wait a second. I was in a car pool driven by helmets on felt to Georgetown day school. Chase maryland. That is a true story to story. Okay. So that's why we we hear on skulduggery speak with a thorn. I got Joe helmets on story share. So I didn't ever know hell on appel. But in an article, I wrote in you know, thirty years ago he had a famous quote about Henry Kissinger. And he said Henry doesn't lie because it's in his interest. He lies because it's in his nature and lying is in the nature of these clownish thugs all of them a whole bunch of them. And I think that's the way history will regard all of them. So I don't think that he had to be told Bill I think he knew to live. But that's but that's a John that's a commentary on Cohen. And this whole group. You're also a media columnist for Newsweek. So what did you think of the BuzzFeed story? You know? I just didn't think it was substantiated enough. I think it was really conspicuous that like the prog story that was in McClatchy. We'll talk about that it wasn't matched now. Sometimes when a story is not matched. It's because people are. Ellis. They just can't get the story. Somebody's ahead. But not a story. Not this. Yeah. On something like this. You would think that somebody could have matched it and the more. We learned about it the less direct. It was I thought it was interesting that Muller's office issued the statement on. I think the reason they did is that unlike some of the other stories that came out that might have been is this one led to a feeding frenzy on impeachment. And so you're talking about possibly major political effects from the story. Whereas the other ones were just pieces of journalism that created a lot of noise, and that were really going to change the trajectory of the story this when threatened to do that. But I've also never thought that the timing of the Moscow tower deal was that central. So to me I disagree with you there. I think it is central because it was taking place during the campaign. He was trying to secure a business deal with the Kremlin, right? Approval while he's running for president as the nominee heart yet. And I'm not saying it's not important. I'm not saying that it will be a one of the possible articles of impeachment. But to me, the core of the story here is a quid pro quo, and that only takes us part of the way possibly to the stores to the core of the Muller investigation is not obstruction of Justice. It's not perjury. It's whether there was the mother of all corrupt deals, which is not collusion's on a legal term a a criminal conspiracy. We already know that on the Russian side mothers concluded that criminal activity took place. Right. So if you look at the instructions that judges give juries in conspiracy cases, it can be spoken or unspoken agreement to a conspiracy, and what was the quid pro quo. It was the Russians will help Trump get elected. And in exchange he will lift sanctions deal with the Magnitsky act change, the plans form in Cleveland. Right. So this this is what words would be that would be that would be. That's that's the ultimate. I think of what they're looking for. And I think there's a lot of smoke to suggest that that did happen the Moscow tower deal would be sort of part of that. Maybe you know. But I don't think that either in the current political context, either perjury or obstruction of Justice. This is really sad to say, I don't think either of them will get Trump out of office. But a conspiracy with the Russians which is what collusion means he'll be gone. The Republicans will be you. Gotta remember George in Watergate, George Bush, head of the Republican party, Barry Goldwater, all these guys it took them until the summer of nineteen seventy four two years before that they're also all Knicks at oh, it's so which hunt, you know. It took a smo- smoking gun to come out to the distance of Watergate tapes, I should say you say two years, look that's shorter than it's taken in this case for any final conclusion on this because we, you know, in June of nineteen seventy two, you know, the Watergate burglars broke into the DNC in June of two thousand sixteen we learned that the Russians had broken into the DNC document and ally we learned that the Republican platform had been right doctored. And I was amazed at that convention that Cleveland convention that that wasn't more story at the convention. I was wondering what the hell's going from this moment of the discovery of the crime more time has gone on. Well, cares. In a fundamental. I mean, it's an interesting analogy, there's a fundamental difference. Here was that in Watergate. The crime was committed by people close to the to the White House close to. Election committee working for the you know in the case of June. She doesn't sixteen it was done by the Russians and we had to establish a link between the Russians and so I wanna make I wanna make two points. First of all on the BuzzFeed story. You say the story wasn't substantiated all that much. It wasn't substantiated at all it starts with this lead. Trump directed Cohen to lie. But then it never backs it up with win. How what did he say? Well, how was it communicated? You file that story you wouldn't pay. Well, what are the Email say what one tax backed up like what the hell? He tells us nothing, you know. And I got to say, you know, people trying to backflip saying that. Well, Muller statement was ours. Saying ewe's, and it doesn't really go to the core. I've got the statement right here. Buzzfeed's description of specific statements to the special counsel's office and characterization of documents and testimony obtained by this office regarding Michael Collins, congressional testimony are not accurate now. That is the story the story alleged claimed that Cohen had told the special counsel that Trump had directed him to lie and that it was backed up by documents in emails, so it's all encompassing pretty much encompass hassle. Only that encompasses Coen's testimony to the Muller team. And I don't see how you parse that Lang. Right. But look I'm on a terror about another aspect of this. But very much related which is the idea that congress is not going to demand, or at least so far demand that Michael Cohen testify in public under oath about every. Aspect of this. Without regard to what impact it has on the Muller investigation. Because at this point, congress has a constitutional responsibility to get the facts, it has outsourced its investigative responsibilities to an executive branch official, which raises constitutional questions on its own. They're not doing their job in Watergate. Sam Ervin did not ask Archibald. Cox permission to hold the Senate Watergate hearings. Peter Rudeina, oh did not ask. We under water skis permission to hold impeachment hearings, and nobody batted an eye because everybody assumed that when you have serious questions about the president's conduct. It's Congress's job to ferret out the facts on its own and act accordingly. If the facts require that and we've had more than two years now since the house and Senate intelligence committees announced they were going to be investigating any links between the Trump campaign and Russia. We. I have not had a single public hearing with a fact witness to date more than two years into this testimony that they've taken was all behind closed doors, Donald Trump junior Jared, Kushner, Michael Cohen himself still have not seen it that that is over. Well, we've just learned that Cohen who backed out of testifying before the house oversight committee is now been subpoenaed to testify before the Senate intelligence committee in mid February. But no word on whether that's going to be public. And I should point out that Senator Burr that chairman of the intelligence committee, basically doesn't believe in public hearings in this investigation. He hasn't had a single one yet. I'm not as pessimistic as your so just to give a little bit of background the reason that this whole idea of polluting an ongoing just yet apartment special prosecutor investigation. It goes back to the Iran contra. Yes. Carry different search, which I which I covered I was in the Senate caucus room when Oliver North was testifying and at that. That time they were worried that Lawrence Walsh's investigation. He was the the Muller of his day rational prosecutor would be compromised, even corrupted by testimony would be tainted it would be tainted and that they wouldn't be able to get the indictments that they need. So that ever since that point. There's been this reluctance, but I don't think but very difficult at Schiff by this. Well, I Adam Schiff said it right off the bat and when Cummings announced this two weeks ago that he was going to call Cohen behind closed doors. This is just days after he said, we're going to have a new era of transparency and the house intelligence committee on these matters. And the first thing he says is I'm gonna take behind closed doors testimony. So yes, until we hear from Schiff, otherwise, I'll just take him at his word that he's continuing the secrecy. I big I didn't realize it said that because he set a series of different things. He's talked about transparency openness. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then he's been that's that's wrong. But all right. But there's a. Really important difference between s the Iran contra scenario, and what's happening now when we talk about limited use immunity was the term so was testifying under immunity Poindexter, testified under immunity. That's what complicates criminal investigations. None of that is applies here. Nobody's talking about giving cone immunity, he's already testify his testimony is locked in. He's been sentenced. There's no if he pleads the fifth what happened. Well, why would he plead the fifth will they say thing, they're not? He's not gonna talk. No. Well, yes, why is Lanny Davis saying that I don't I don't get you can't he can't plead the fifth if he's already. These wave doesn't any waive that privilege to the things that he's already they need to tell the thing that people don't quite understand. I think is that. Okay. It's the end of January. These guys have been there for less than a month. They've been out of power for a long time right since since two thousand eleven since early two thousand eleven it's a long time for all their the Democrats muscles to atrophy investigative muscles to atrophy when you're in the minority the majority completely screws you and so they're not staffed up yet. You know, they have a lot of positions to fill. They're just filling them right now. They're lawyers on these committees are just getting up to speed. So, you know, it's like people ask me about Trump's taxes. And I said last fall, categorically, we will all see his taxes by next spring because I knew would take at first I said February then I realized they won't be quite staffed up and ready, but one chamber of congress under the law has the authority to get somebody's taxes and make them public. We'll that will be. Now, it'll be that's why it'll take them. That's, but I think it'll be on an expedited basis, I think now that will see his taxes by April or may. And we will see I'm a hundred percent certain that we will all see Donald Trump's taxes because there's a lot of pressure on the Democrats for this kind of transparency I'm disturbed that shifts said this wanting to be an executive session, you the state man made right actor, then and you know, it might be that they're not this is a guess they're not quite ready for those public hearings. Again, remember, the people that he has now working on the majority staff they've been in their jobs for like five days, you know? And but it'd be these guys have been around. I mean, they've been around minority. But they you know, they were in the minority, but they were not given access to all kinds of documents. There were a lot of stories about they were flying completely blind. So now, they finally have the arrows to Toyland, and they're just kind of getting started on this shoes, huge amount of material to get their arms around look Schiff Schiff and his staff has been, you know, have been part of this investigation from the gecko. They didn't have the power to subpoena, but they. Title every trust. But they had access to the testimony. They know where it was. Anyway, I think we're going to get Michael Collins testimony. Eventually, I don't think in public or actually I think we need to hear it now because you've had a series of questionable media stories, but serious allegations raised about, you know, whether Michael Cohen flew to Prague to meet with Russian agents during the campaign to pay off hackers that was the McClatchy story, which you've written about there was the CNN story that Michael Cohen had information that Trump was aware of the Trump Tower meeting in real time in June. Walk which Lanny Davis walked back, but CNN is still stood behind. And now you have the BuzzFeed story. These are serious allegations of misconduct. Cohen Ken, clear them up in one session in one hearing asked directly did you know about the Trump Tower meeting did you discuss it with the president? What did the president say? Did you fly prog did you meet with any Russian agents during the campaign? You know, did the president tell you to lie. I mean, we can get answers and shouldn't be scared. I mean, they all my family's at risk. I mean understand it a little bit. Because you have the president is attacking his father in law. You know, this is Joe they'll be here. But this was like a story that just went flying pass everybody in a tweet, you know, we've just never seen like Millard Fillmore didn't attack is enemies father law. We just have never. Which no president. Okay. Title of the podcast from helmets on and fell to this. No. But I mean. The other way round that every day some kind of new norm violated, but having said that I do think that Michael Cohen is acting like a sort of a winey cowering stoolpigeon in a mafia case when oh my family might be hurt. If I testify which is really it's server reminds me of, you know, the mafioso dressed up like he was mentally ill like yours pitch Abbas to. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You go to court. Yeah. Yeah. All right related thing that happened this week involves a character who very well could have been in the movie that we're about to talk about the Jimmy breslin movie Rudy Giuliani, so Giuliani this week to the New York Times. And then on meet the press said that Trump was in talks about this Moscow Trump Tower deal at least until October November. I think he told the New York Times quoted Trump saying from the time I now nst until I it was elected president. He then tried to walk that back said his comments were hypothetical, whatever that means you have been around Giuliani for years you've written about him. What in the world is going on? What's your theory of what Rudy Giuliani is dumb? So a lot of times Giuliani and with a lot of practice liars. If they say something means the exact opposite. So another thing that he said this past week was I don't care if on my tombstone it says that I was alive. I'll be dead. Then it doesn't matter. That means that he cares passionately that. He doesn't go down in history used to be America's mayor the next president of the United States Rudy Giuliani. The most embarrassing articles I ever wrote with one exception in my whole career where when I was puffing him after nine eleven because I ended up in his pool I went to ground zero with a half dozen times. And I wrote to the pieces were too friendly to Rudy. I wasn't skeptical enough. But the point is that he I know him well enough to know that he cares desperately that defending Trump's lies not be what he's remembered for. So he is beginning to tell the truth about some things and Trump is apparently furious. There's a story yesterday. These furious Giuliani, and I don't have any knowledge to back this up. But I think that his days as. Trump's mouthpiece might be when the better way of getting out of this mess stopping lying for Trump would be to quit. Yes. He his now. And I think that could happen fairly soon. The reason that he went in there and the first by says, he loves the limelight. He's always been a complete showboat since he was young US attorney. And he's one of these guys he's an attention or a TV addict. Right. He was dictated to the limelight. And he went through a few years where you know. His phone wasn't ringing wasn't getting booked and this gave him away back into the the show. What was the one exception? I've been pretty honest about this. I wrote a piece but six weeks after nine eleven called the case for torture. And I was I remember that was actually if you read the piece I said, I'm not advocating physical, torture, like just something like what they did enor- yadda with the loud music. But like, let's find out who did this nine eleven thing. Right. And let's and let's press a little harder. And then. Mentioned that in Israel. They have torture warrants. So that if they do enhanced interrogation it's under the guise of court supervision. I just sort of walk through all this. But I was trying to be provocative and the headline was time to think about torture question. I've been living with it ever since. I mean, it's one of those things that even though I wrote a long piece saying, you know, it was a bad article regret writing, it doesn't matter. You know, it's just sort of an easel. It's really fascinating since we're going to have Adam McKay, the director of vice about Dick Cheney on as our next guest on this show. So we will be going to and if we had Dick Cheney on his jaw guarantee, you he would not make the same COPA altered his very, but I you know, I I mean part of it was at the time. I wrote it. I knew McCain ready had gotten a gnome a few years earlier. But I had really interesting conversations with them afterward about torture. Just doesn't work like aside from being morally wrong, it just simply there's no evidence of it work, even though everything in your brain tells you that it would work it doesn't people just say anything to stop you from torturing, right? All right talk about this terrific movie about Jimmy breslin. And Pete Hamill deadline artists is the title. It's called breslin and Hamill deadline. Okay. All right. Write it down, folks. January twenty eighth on HBO. How did you come to make this movie? So. More than three years ago. I had been out of touch with Jimmy breslin for while. I had known him at met him in the eighties in in the movie at one point I count. How when I was Newsweek's media critic, and I was writing a sort of tough piece about breslin my phone rings at Newsweek on deadline, and I pick up the phone and all I hear it's alter you. Fuck with me. I'll fuck you. Good because I'm the fucking John Gotti of journalism never fucking forgetting he slams kind of a memorable, you know, -cation for a young reporter. So and then after after that, we became friends because you like the fact that I was standing up to him a little bit. And and she thousand fifteen I hadn't talked to him in a couple of years. Maybe three years I ran into his stepdaughter. She said that he was a link probably wasn't going to be alive that much longer. I says anybody just gone around with a camera to get the great stories about the old days, and he's people have trot. She said people have tried, but they haven't really gotten it done. So I got together with a couple of friends who. Steve McCarthy or done a bunch of pieces for NBC news with and John block who was a former dateline producer. And we just without really knowing where it was going to go. We just took a camera over to Jimmy's apartment, and we picked up Pete ham because we thought it would sort of enrich the thing to have Pete who's a wonderful talker and a good friend of Jimmy's, but very different style. More of a kind of soulful poet someone I saw some that they referred to Hamel as poet and breslin has a howitzer. Yep. Yeah. That was good. That was one of the very nice reviews in pieces about this this film. So we just started talking to them. And then it turned out that pretty much everybody that we wanted to interview really well known people like Robert deniro, Spike Lee, Gloria Steinem, Shirley MacLaine who had been Pete's girlfriend when he was simultaneously going out with Jack, Jack. That was interesting, and they all were willing to talk and because Brislin and Hamill had cut such a wide swath through American journalism. The only people wouldn't talk were son of Sam, David Berkowitz. Who wrote me a polite letter declining realize or Hanser, and they were the only ones everybody else talked after a while we realized and we sort of have something interesting here. There was a huge amount of archival. Material footage is fabulous. The most dangerous place to be was between Jimmy president a camera for thirty years in New York. So then I took it to Richard player, the president of HBO, and he just bought it on the spotty. He loved it from from the beginning. We've got a clip there's so many great stories in this documentary stories about the columns these guys did, but my favorite is one in this clip, which is right after the assassination of John Kennedy. And I believe we have clicked Bali could you please be by eleven o'clock this. One Kowalczyk asked. I guess you know, what it's for polit that he hung up the phone finished. But I and left his apartment so he could spend Sunday digging a grave for John Fitzgerald Kennedy. That is the voice of Jimmy breslin talking actually not the worst because because Brislin had died, but you had actually Michael responding to the T. He played Tony soprano's father on the flashback episodes of the sopranos. Deuce voices. And it's about the column that that Jimmy breslin did the day of the funeral of John F Kennedy in which he finds the grave digger the guy who's going to dig the grave for the president and talk about just somebody's genius in finding just the right story that nobody else is going to write. Nobody else is going to cover and ready Brislin. Did it that story the grave digger? It's the actual title of the piece was why it's an honor is probably the best known most widely reprinted column of the twentieth century. It's used in most journalism schools because the lesson which depart was Jimmy's voice when we interviewed him about. It was that he gets to the funeral and it gets to Washington he's come from Dallas where he's written this unbelievable column called definite -mergency room one where his. Reporting was so great that you actually felt like you were in the room with the dying president. And once he did something. He's zig when everyone else right because he went to interview the surgeon when everyone writes doing the conventional story, right? So he was always trying to go where everybody else wasn't not followed the packs. We gets to Washington. The funeral is going to be, you know, coming up, and there's a thousand reporters there, and he says, I can't earn a living here. Like, there's too many other reporters, and they're all there to see, you know, French president to Gaul coming in for the funeral and the pomp and circumstance. And so he says I'm going to go and get the grave digger and the guy for three dollars and two cents an hour. Doug this grave, and he writes, this sort of brilliant piece that exemplifies what a good reporter should do think for themselves. Go off them swell. China. This was a classic example of the new journalism, which is to say using the techniques of fiction to write about the truth. And I guess in summing up here, you know, is this kind of journalism is this kind of newspaper writing whether it's on paper or not is it extinct. What do you think about these kinds of values, and you know, the ability of reporters and writers to actually produce this kind of journalism going forward? I don't think it's extinct Gloria Steinem, and our film says, you know, there's been storytelling ever since caveman. Ancient the most ancient, and so that's and we have very talented young journalists, and I'm not actually worried about national news. I think the reporting on Trump is is a sign that our national news organizations are pretty healthy historical continuum right now. But I'm really worried about local news because they haven't figured out a business model to underwrite local report. Shooting. And that's where your pocket gets picked is at the state house or city hall. As Richard Cohen says says in the film, and so maybe it'll be a nonprofit a model the way time magazines now owned by billionaire Washington zone by billionaire, and they're not owning them to make money. You know, so that might be a possible answer. But I'm not sure there are enough. Rich local guys who want to subsidize, you know, journalism that might criticize the friends at the local level. So we're all sort of sorting that out right now. And also, the fact that people have to file and tweet, you know, a dozen times a day, it makes it harder to write a kind of a novelist. Stick beautifully crafted literary piece of journalism, and so one of the reasons that I really wanted to do this film was to remind people that you can aspire to something better, and that you can speak truth to power and do it in a way. Way that is written memorably. So we really went to great pains to show their writing in this film this documentary is a great reminder and about to really colorful guys that I think people are going to be just fascinated watching this Monday January twenty eighth on HBO John alter thanks for joining us again on skulduggery. Thanks, guys. What does it take to be influenced her someone who can move millions of people by their words or deeds? What's really inside these people? And after that, what can we learn from them? I'm Andy Serwer editor in chief of yachting findings. Join me every week as I sit down with some of the world's most influential people I'll be talking to influencers like ic- inexpedient chairman, Barry Diller, Jill Abramson, the former New York Times executive editor world renowned restaurant. Tur- Danny Meyer, and many more. Subscribe to influencers with Andy Serwer on apple podcasts or wherever you find your podcasts. Thanks. We are now joined by the esteemed fantastically successful Adam McKay. Former chief writer for Saturday Night Live turned movie director for such great hits as anchorman and the big short. Adam k welcome to skulduggery. Thank you very much for me on pleasure to be here. Well, congrats on the Oscar nominations man eight. That's pretty amazing. Let's talk about this movie. And I gotta say I I didn't know what to expect when I saw it. And I was loan away by all the characters and details that I remembered from reporting days many years ago, what prompted you to want to make this movie now in the middle of the Trump era. It was just a moment where I just was reading a book about Cheney and keep were the fact like, wow, we're about to close the history on Cheney W Bush was like. It was a moment where you just didn't hear them ever talked about and then Trump one. And then you started hearing people say gotta miss W Bush and Cheney, and I was like, okay. This is getting crazy. And remember when Bush was on like Ellen was like dancing with Ellen. And then there was like a Papa rachi from TMZ like laughing with Dick Cheney and starting to feel like a scene out of that documentary active killing like like really like, we're we're all completely cool with this now. So I just felt like journalists like you guys have done amazing work covering all of those. There's tons of great books and articles and interviews which read pretty much all of. But I felt like there really had been a movie w brushed up against Cheney a little bits and just the influenced. This guy had not to mention his belly like presence in the seventies. And eighties around American politics. And the rise of the Republican party felt like it would be great to do a movie about this. It's interesting as we talk about how because of this crazy current presidency with Trump, we grade Trump on a curve, but in a way, it feels like what you're saying is pushing Cheney of kind of been graded on a curve as well. Just because by contrast Trump, they seem normal. But one of the things that really struck me about this movie. You know, when reporters like, Mike and myself see movies about stories that we've covered really closely almost always they just ring falsely it just doesn't quite sound. Right. And you know, you sorta lacks the for similar to in the subtlety and nuances, and this is one of those rare movies where for me it really brought me back to that time. And it was in a lot of ways. Exactly, right. I think Mike you the same reaction what I wanted to know because it's a complex layered movie because Chaney's a complex character is ultimately if you had to say in. Single-sentence what drove Dick Cheney? What would you say? That was that the question. I mean, that's the question. Everyone has you know, some people fear, although heart attacks, change them, certainly nine eleven impact on them. There's no question about that. We have seen that movie where he asked for the unfiltered intelligence. That's a big moment. And then you have people with an ideological interpretation Strauss in the Neo cons in the Balkans. And is an ideological motivations. Just Doug say I haven't thought about Leo Strauss in a while probably about ten or fifteen years, but go ahead. Let's swing this entire podcast. Just. Well, we should have had wolf Wolfowitz on. Okay. Okay. Really he's in the room to be right now. How about David Addington? You got him because he. Hang constantly. So we dug through every nook and cranny, and really what I came up with was a much more physiological kind of drive for janey, which was in the movie, I compared it to Sydney ANSI by Alex cotton from Lynn really the first act of the movies really wins act. I saw guy who went from ambition and desire to make his wife and pretty soon, his daughters, proud to guy who became addicted to influence and power, and it's each old story. But that is really what I found in the closest to any kind of Eddie allergy discovered really ideology was the unitary executive theory, which I saw pop up again, and again in his actions, and sometimes been his writing specifically with the minority opinion on the Rian contra affair when he met David Addington. So and I'm not saying our movies definitive interpretation. But that w-. Was finally my take was this guy. Who really honestly the end didn't even care if he was right or wrong just cared that he was making the decision. You know, I want to stop you right there because the unitary executive theory. You know, it completely blew me away when you were able to lay that out in the movie because it's a concept that is pretty important and arguably even more important now that we have a an acolyte of that view of executive power Bill bar about to be our new attorney general. But we've got we've got what was I have to say as my favorite clip from the movie where you explain that in a really ingenious way that I wanna play for you. And then have you talk about a bit? So let's play that clip the restaurant scene, but torture and privacy laws weren't the only laws Cheney rewrote with Joan you. They had a full menu of legal. Nyan stretching and challenging constitutional and international law. Good evening, gentlemen tonight. We're offering the enemy combatant whereby a person is not a prisoner of war or criminal, which means of course, that he has absolutely no protection under the law where also offering and extraordinary rendition with suspects or Doug did without record on foreign soil and taken to foreign prisons in countries that still torture house. We also have Guantanamo Bay, which is very very complicated. But it does allow you to parade outside the purview of due process on land, which isn't technically US territory, but where we still do have control. And also we have a very fresh and delicious wolf house act interpretation, which gives the executive branch broad powers to attack nations all people who deems still possibly threat. We have the fact that under the unitary executive theory. If the president does anything, it must be legal, which of course, means you can do whatever the fuck you want. So gentlemen, which would unite. Who have? No, thanks. That is brilliant. What inspired you to tell the story of the unitary executive in that way? So I had a conversation once again emits all the research where I talked to a constitutional lawyer. And I it kept coming upon unitary executive theory and I- lawyer. I said, okay. So they wrote all these legal decisions during the W Bush years, and they were all underpinned by strong interpretation unitary executive theory. I go there clearly a giant overreach and executive thirty are they just gone now. Let no that abomb that statement that they wouldn't be observing some of those opinions from you and the lawyer the Ono they're still in the DOJ computers right now. And I said so anyone can cite them if they want he goes, absolutely. And I got a chill ran down my arm when I heard that. And I realized that like, oh, this is the kind of like when your kid and you get injured and you'd be like, oh that's gonna leave a Mark like, oh that left. Mark. And then while we were editing. The movie we start seeing Cavanaugh rammed through the print court, and I saw Durban questioning him about Carrie -secutive. And now like you guys said, we're looking Torney general subscriber to the strong interpretation, and it was crazy during the editing. The movie to see the unitary executive start to become one of the centerpieces of the current events going on around us because when you put in the movie was fairly obscure, you know, people like us, I think some of those John you legal opinions were withdrawn the torture meme, torture memos and the survey and the the warrantless wiretapping, but you're still there thought the point is exactly right. The unitary executive and that kind of maximalist position on executive thority is believe it or not fairly mainstream conservative legal philosophy. And so I think there's a lot of that in existing Elsie opinions. But I wanted to ask you you talked about executive power. Power. Maybe not really being an ideology, but it really is a core philosophy. If not an ideology, it may not have the same kind of geopolitical implications that say the Neo conservative ideology has. But this is something that, you know, as the movie shows Cheney believed in to his core from his earliest days in the government because of the Watergate and the at Phnom backlash the against the imperial presidency. I mean, isn't that really an ideology it's funny with obviously filmmaking so different than journalism. So different than what you guys do. A lot of ways goes without saying. So that thing that we got into was just kind of father figures psychology. And if you look throughout the movie, there's Trump's gently a feeling of Cheney becoming a father figure of Lynn, having a father wasn't the best father, and that really harmonizes that strong imperial presidency kind of via and you actually see dick and Lynne in the movie early on gushing about. Mic finn. And then when he's resigned after water Dade feeling like, I think she at one point we even had her stay in the movie, that's our nation's father, maybe like cut up, but there's a whole kind of thing that we were running through the movie about the father, which fits perfectly with the unitary strong interpretation of unitary executive theory can ask you question was this always mainstream is always like the federalist society was this. A we the mainstream thing. I think it evolved on years, and I should point out that Bill bar far more than Cavanaugh. I think is a real hard liner on this stuff. In fact, he an -ticipant it's David Addington in many ways, his very strong views about executive power and authority were laid out when he was chief of the office of legal counsel back during the first Bush administration, in fact, part in in I think it was nineteen eighty nine maybe even earlier than that when he was head of the office of legal counsel. He wrote what was then the infamous snatch authority opinion, which is a coffin. I both covered which basically said that the US government could violate another country sovereignty to snatch an extradite or just basically kidnap someone who they were wanted to arrest and put on trial, and he also argued that the the the, you know, it's it's good invade another country or. Involved in military action in that case. It was the Persian Gulf war without seeking congressional approval. Which is sort of the position John you adopted in the very early days after eleven, but amazing, I didn't know he link that strongly to it. I knew it was a strong adherent. But I know that and he was much and he wanted the pollution, and he was advising and talking to Addington and all those characters during the early days of George W you gotta make us consultants on your next, by the way about it a bunch of crazy moments like that on this movie where we made the movie, and then we'd be shooting it or editing it and at one point John Bolton we're talking about how we should cut him out. There's a little mention of him in a scene go, you know, you should cut bold out of there. No one really knows who is any more and the very next day. Trump appointed pulse. This would happen throughout the entire movie. And then one day we were filming we're doing Luntz pushing the old gilded age term the death tax onto a focus group. And one of my crew members comes up, and he's like have you seen the new the Republican tax plan? Look what it does would be the air attack. Like that. Like that day was suddenly like a big part of it that they were gonna limited even more, and then get rid of it and this kept happening during the shooting in the editing of this movie was it was kind of freaky to the point. Where it one point. We even had a little reality show up just to kind of reflect American culture, and there was a blonde kind of singer lady talking to pe- bitty, and a friend of mine in the room goes, you know, that's the lady that what was dumped from junior had an affair with. And it was crazy like everything was linking to what was happening before. He talked about psychology linking father figures of the unitary executive. There's another really important psychological component here in. Terms of what was driving Cheney? And I want you to talk about the threat matrix seen, and it's this scene in the movie after nine eleven where I guess they're in the situation room. I think Cheney is being piped in on video on the civics and one of the aides there says, well, we're not gonna give you all of the Intel because a lot of this stuff is is on vetted. And he kind of darkly says I want give it all to me. I've always thought that that was as important as anything with Cheney this kind of apocalyptic vision that he really believed in the dark side as he referred to it once talk about that a little bit. I totally agree. I think it's one of the most important scenes in the movie, I think you had a guy who's hardway who believed in the imperial presidency. There's no question about it. Even during the first Gulf war at one point. He was caught researching use of tactical nukes, you know, like, I mean, this guy was always pretty extreme. But it took on a different hue after nine eleven and I read a bunch of different. People talking about how when he got that unfiltered intelligence ordinarily, as you guys know intelligence would be double-checked, Nick sure that it's reliable make sure it's not redundant and Chinese. No, no, don't any of it. And there was some person. I can't remember who was to describe that experience of getting unfiltered intelligence every single day as like listening to Led Zeppelin on full volume twenty four hours a day. What that would do created this climate of fear, and I got this one story because I was reporting on this at the time, and I had a source in the FBI who would come in at four thirty every morning and go through the threat matrix, this massive amount of unvetted raw intelligence with head. All this scary shit in in you know, about possible nuclear tax biochemical attacks. And most of it wasn't true. He wanted to turn it into something that was more credible. And you know, maybe just a few pages as opposed to fifty pages. Wherever it was. And John Ashcroft said, no, you gotta give the president. And the vice president everything his interpretation was Ashcroft was covering his ass because he wanted to make sure that they didn't take out something that ended up being some horrific terrorist attack. But there was so much pressure to give everything and then it had to fact had to create this kind of climate of fear that affected their their policies going forward. And also also this sort of sense that only Cheney because he knew this stuff could be the savior and can protect the American people. I don't think there's any question Richard Clarke talked about the fact that after nine eleven to some degree they all had PTSD, which I totally understand. But on top of that, then go that. I mean, I can't even comprehend reading that unfiltered intelligence I was working in thirty rock when or I just left we may have the Amtrak's mail there. And I remember talking to people who ran out of the building. And tears people forget that was going on. Have you guys ever heard the story of the false alarm in the White House? Where weird alarm went off. And everyone was like what is that alarm Cheney says that's an alarm for a bio attack, and we're basically all dead right now. And then he calmly went in the room, and like contacted a bunch of different people like Colin Powell's like we just had a bio attack would probably already dead now. And then someone walked in the room. It was like it was a false alarm triggered and Cheney everyone in the room said he 'cause demeanor barely changed. He was like, oh, okay. And just got up and walked out of the room. Okay. So I got I got sort of three critiques, which I want to have you respond to because I was impressed by how how meticulous you were to a lot of details. And you know, like say getting in characters like, John you David Addington Cheney's longtime legally visor people you'd never expect to see in a Hollywood movie. So the. You know, so hats off on that the Uber. Critique would be you pretty much explicitly suggests that can't Cheney was motivated driven by a sort of lust for power for power's sake. And it sort of dismisses the idea that the guy actually did believe in stuff did have a real political agenda conservative political agenda that he wanted to promote and that he may have been and was in fact wrong about a lot of stuff. He wasn't seeking power simply for the sake of having power. He wanted to advance a particular political agenda. I'd go even further. I'd say I'm not only interpreting dick genie is driven by power. Propeller. Schick even interpreting the Republican party as driven by power power sake. But that banks dress that they don't believe in anything. Well, I could some degree in suggesting that yes what I saw was. And what I've always kind of seen is that you had these kind of the counter revolutionary money to lead after FDR's new deal who are constantly looking for ways to reestablish political power. You had the pound them. Oh, which reactivated a lot of these money people like Richard Mellon skates? And in the Poor's family in the cokes in Washington DC, and then you had kind of the accident of the civil rights movement, which jettison the south to the Republicans at the same time Rovers Wade, which gave an opening for religious folks to go were hard towards the Republicans. And then I just look at what they did from that point on. And it was all to the advantage of this Richard known to coax the cores on and on these like wealthy elites. That's honestly what I see when you see expanded power worldwide. I. I don't see this incredible operating ideology. I mean, there was no real plan for the reconstruction of Iraq, the one that's. Right away. I am much more cynical about it. I really am. And actually that montage at the end of the movie, which some people have been critical of where you see the wildfires. Like Cheney is responsible for everything that has gone. Pardon? It was supposed to be the movement the Reagan revolution, which by the way, drifts into the Democratic Party as well. There's no question the big influx of big money. The came in DC in the late seventies eighties. There's no question affects Democrats as well. But what it's supposed to be as Cheney and America and our relationship of government has become so cynical. And so we just don't believe the government can do anything at nothing's being solved anymore opioid crisis shootings. And yes, some of the Syrian refugee crisis you can directly connect to change. So it's it's bigger than just the guy that point. And there's definitely some people that have said earlier sitting Cheney did all that. By by. No means more broadly, the Republican party and the conservative because you know, if you looked at that montage, it's it's wildfires which seems to be some climate change or climate denial a lot of that on Cheney. It'd be okay with that in the Syrian refugee crisis. But Fox News clearly giant nothing to do with. But they were a major part of the rise. Of the right wing. And you see that kind of become its most demented extreme self Alex Jones, kind of part of right wing media, Breitbart, and all that kind of stuff. So that's what we were trying to do. We may not have executed it well because you guys are seeking deligence sharp guys. And if you had that feeling about it. I don't think you're wrong by any means. But that's what we were trying to specific points. We were talked before about father figure you've got the scene in there where Lynch Cheney's mom dies by drowning. Which in fact, she did I looked it up today for this interview. She found the obituary, but you suggest that her father was responsible for the death of her mother. And I just wondered because I didn't see that in anything I've ever read which you get that. That's directly from lean Cheney's autobiography and from Mary Cheney's autobiography both of them to pick that death as spacious and do they blame Lynne's father for EDNA? And Wayne had a nasty argument an hour before she was found dead in that lake and she didn't swim to never went in the water. So there's one of two things that happened here that in once again, it's not definitive, but clearly something suspicious happen. I've heard some people that theory that it was a suicide which is possibility she was quite drunk. There's another possibility that there was foul play. And maybe it was Wayne because it was documented that there's a really nasty argument before so we don't finish ably say it was him. But there's clearly she grew up in a rough household her father died and Soros liver. Like years later was I'm not exactly sure date, but clearly was. A hard hard drinker. Clearly, tough home her mother died under suspicious circumstances. And they did not have an incredibly close relationship with Wayne. So that moment there is when Cheney kind of becomes the father is what that moment supposed to be. But it's in Lynch and his own words change of were both she Mets that it was a suspicious deaths. Yeah. Some people have to pick that as being like wild speculations. It's not the other one is the one sympathetic thing. You have about Cheney in the movies that he was supportive of his daughter, Mary when she comes out as a lesbian and is protective of her. But that in the end of the movie when Liz is running for congress and is being criticized for not being forceful enough against same sex marriage. You have dick her father, basically, giving her the green light to come. Down strong against same sex marriage to the detriment of our relationship with Mary. And I just clearly it's it's true that Liz did do that. But do we know that she took direction or got approval from her father to take that position? Choose sides that answer one is that today's after it the change lives in dick released a statement supporting Liz on it. So we know that they supported her on that decision equivocated a little bit saying, it's a state's rights issue, but basically supported her so they did backer. Also from everything I read Liz is definitely Lin's daughter and Lynn has big say and over Liz, and they talk a lot about everything strategizing about everything. They're extremely close. So it's not a stretch to imagine that they would have discussed that whether beforehand that's not verified scene. But that's you know, basically once they. Wrote that statement today's later clearly they supported it. And I thought that was just tragic I thought, you know, for a guy wanted me know about Cheney was that for his whole life evaluators family above everything cooking shopping. And so, yeah, I just I like, wow. For this guy to back that in the very end after you know, he's really given everything away felt very tragic personally. So so Adam actually I wanted to pick up on that theme because one of the metaphors in the movie, which I thought was fascinating and very effective was dictated heart his live heart, which you see pulsating. It seems to me that what are things you grapple with in. This movie is does he have a heart is he heartless, and there is a sentimental side to him earlier in the movie, but at the end of the day, you were just talking about how he ends in terms of backing Eliza Cheney's run. And the implications of that for Mary. What's your bottom line is a heartless guy? Does he have a heart is he complicated? Or did. He. Just change maybe because of his heart surgery, and he ends up. Heartless oak tremendously. I do view the movie as an addiction movie, I do view it like financy is a movie, I looked out if you times this movie house will watch that Italian movie Il Devaux was a really great movie to bunch of movies of influences. But I to look at it as an addiction movie. I do look at it that like really near counts of him when he was in the Ford White House smoking three packs of cigarettes a day and eating dozen donuts. You can feel the rush of just the juice of being in the White House being that young youngest White House chief of staff in history and just pounding on someone who stupidly smoke for years, the smoking tree packs of cigarettes day, it's just mind blowing to me like pounding cigarettes and donuts and the rush of the power. So what we tried to do is just show the wear that it had on his heart. The whole time. As he changed throughout the entire life. And then in the very end, you see his heart and descriptions read about his heart was that it was twice the size of normal heart in it had scars all over it from his multiple heart attacks, and finally that's kind of the heart that you see it's just been banged around and assaulted and ripped up by this hunger for power in a lot of ways came from his love for his wife. It's also kind of love story as well. Which is why I looked at sitting empty, which is built a love story at an addiction story. So it's definitely a little bit more of an emotional interpretation of them. And that's definitely what I felt like a film could contribute to the discussion of Dick Cheney. So yeah, that's kind of how I the heart. And then the shot of him without the heartbeat. His actual doctor described the moment when he took the heart out of Chaney's chest. And he said he had a moment where you sat there and looked at it Cheney without his heart in his chest. And he said he just had this strange. Moment. We're looking at it. And I remember reading that there's an actual book from the doctor and Dick Cheney about Janin's history with his heart. And and that just struck me so hard. I was like, oh that has to be in the movie. I gotta say am of all the takeaways people have from this movie. I don't think too many of them will look at it as a primarily a love story, but it will be remembered for a lot of other aspects to it and listen great movie and good luck with the Oscars will all be watching Oscar night. Thank you so much guys huge Meyer of both your work and believe me, I I lean on a bunch of it for this movie as well as a bunch of other great journalists and thank you for everything. You guys do. Thank you, much, Adam. Thanks, John alter and Adam McKay for joining us on this episode skulduggery forget to subscribe skulduggery on apple podcasts and reviews podcasts and tell us what you think Lee review. The latest episode is also on Sirius XM on the weekend. 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"Donald Trump's attorney general William bar has blown past a key deadline house. Democrats set for releasing the full Mullah report is tees up a major fight with the very top lawmaker on this issue. House Judiciary chairman, Gerald Naveh. And we begin the beat tonight with the very legislator overseeing the DOJ and leading this fight chairman Nadler, given all the news I want to get right to it. Thank you for coming on the beat, sir. Thank you. Having me you run the judiciary committee attorney general bar has missed your deadline. How will you respond? Well, we're we've noticed a markup where we're having a markup tomorrow morning in which we will vote to authorize the issue subpoenas. To subpoenas for Mullah report and for the underline materials and to enter varies documents. Defy people cheer going right to it. You have this vote tomorrow. If you win that vote, and as chair, I think you expect to when might you then actually issue the subpoenas for the report or for those individuals. Well, we will for the individuals will probably issue them right away. But for the report and the underlying materials will work with the attorney general for for short period of time to get the report. Now, he has said he will release it within by the middle of the month, which is two weeks. So that's not really the issue. The real issue is we want to see the entire report not a redacted version and all the underlying materials so understand you right tomorrow. You immediately move forward on issuing the actual subpoenas for those five people that that you are committee as identity shortly short or shortly thereafter, whereas the other subpoena the report subpoena, you sort of use that as your that's the plan leverage to see. See what he does with the reductions. Well, it's so authorized to negotiate with him into that's negotiate with them to work with him and to minimize the reductions and will use the subpoenas as necessary to make sure we get the whole report and all the underlying documents understood. So that sounds like some legal muscle. I want to get into the redaction each other with you because it seems to be where according to you and some other experts. This whole fight is heading before we do I want to give you the benefit of responding to what I know you're aware of the president today claiming this isn't about the substance of the report, but a kind of an old beef between the two of you take a list. Nothing you give them whether it shifty shift or Jerry Nadler, who I've known he's been fighting me for half of my life in Manhattan. And I was very successful. Thank you. But Natalie has been fighting me for years and years in Manhattan, it's a four hundred page report. Right. We could give them eight hundred pages, and it wouldn't be enough. Mr Chairman have you been fighting with Mr. Trump four years? What is your response to the core accusation that this is about that? And not the substance. That's absurd. The president is very small mind that yes, we had clashes about some developments on the west side of Manhattan, many years ago. But so what what's relevant now is that I'm the chairman of the judiciary committee, and we have a job to do which is protect the rule of law against obstruction of Justice and abuses of power and personal enrichment, and we have to we have to do that job. And the fact is there was an a. There was an investigation for twenty two months. And now the attorney general in four days, an attorney general who are addition for his job by writing essentially that the investigation was was was wrong in itself. And that a president could never commit obstruction of Justice, which is an extreme view. And so he's not a proper person to oversee this or did decide what gets public, and we have to see all the material and the underlying to see the report and the underlying documents to protect the public and to protect the rule of law. And remember, the the however is the president may characterize the model report the Miller report according to a bar set because we haven't seen the report found wrongdoing, and that we don't even know that it's not public. And found a lot of very serious things. And the special prosecutor said that he couldn't rule in or out. He couldn't exonerate the president of of obstruction of Justice. So bar took it upon himself to do that. That's not the job of the attorney general who is after all the political appointee of the president. That's and the Justice department cannot hold the president accountable both because of their doctrine that you can never die the sitting president, and because of Varzideh memo that said that the president cannot commit obstruction of Justice. So congress must hold the president accountable, and to do that we need all this information, such Mr Sharon, you all the information. This seems to be where the fight is going as you say many in America waiting to find out what Muller found you posed a question to Senator Feinstein read at Mr. bars confirmation hearing about transparency, let's take a look because it's so central now. At that brief exchange. I have two questions from the chairman of the House Judiciary committee. Will you commit to making any report Muller produces at the conclusion of his investigation available the congress and to the public as I said in my statement, I am going to make as much information available as I can consistent with the rules and regulations that are part of the special counsel regulations. It seems that with your coordination with Senator Feinstein. You got him under oath on record there on a standard. And so I want to get into this with you tonight. And I think our viewers interested in this. Mr Chairman weather, not as we put up on the screen these four redaction material categories that he's proposed these fit his standard. He says, you know, when his letter back to you that he's now made it four grand jury intelligence open investigations, what he calls matters that impact the privacy, a reputation of quote, peripheral third parties in your view has he gone now and partly failed the. Standard that he committed to under oath, which was the rules, or do you think the rules do require these four categories of reductions first of all the rules are regulations of the department itself, which he can change his whim, but second of all and more important. It's a meaningless statement. He said he would release to the public. He would release everything he could. But he reserves to himself the right to make those judgments he put into the letter to me these four categories all four categories. There is ample crescent ample court, another precedent for releasing all this information of all these categories to congress. And and that's what we're asking. We have to see this information to protect the American people. And and it has to be the congressional judgment. For example. The congress knows how to handle classified information, the congress can very well handle and has handled sixty information, in fact. And condition in every previous analogous situation. Whether it was with Joe Warsi, and the Nixon era or Ken Starr or various others, the Iran contra, congress has received all this kind of information. So simply the same thing. Let me ask you this. Do you think at some sense? He is he is sort of hiding behind the rules for wider reductions that he may want to make absolutely he's hiding behind the rules and the redaction listen, he auditioned for this job. Remember, the president got rid of sessions as attorney general because he wouldn't protect them. He fired Komi because he wouldn't protect him and give him the loyalty. He wanted. He tried to fire Muller. He clearly wanted. And he said he wanted an attorney general who would be as ROY Cohen who would protect him personally. A bar addition for the job I writing that one thousand nine page memo in which he basically said that the president could never be guilty of obstruction of Justice because the president period couldn't be no matter what he did. So he was chosen. He is the president's agent, and he is not in a position to make independent judgments that the public can trust. So let me ask you do that since you make the historical comparison. I earlier play you a rather non-substantive argument from the sitting president, and you and you rebutted it I wanna play for you the more substantive argument, which doesn't come from President Trump. But from his lawyer and his chief of staff where they say, basically, you might be right that that's the way it used to be. But the rules of changed, and they do give AIG more power. And I know the the constitutional. Expert, you are you familiar with this for everyone. I'm gonna play their response for your rebuttal. Take a look. The special counsel works to the attorney general of the United States, that's different. And then there's a specific regulation that governs. What confidential report is delivered not to the United States Congress? But a report that first goes from the special counsel to the attorney general Mr. bar gets to handle this. That's how the law works. Are. They wrong there. Right. And they are wrong. That's how the regulations work. But congress still has the constitutional responsibility of protecting the rule of law of protecting against abuses of power on the part of the executive on the part of the president protecting against the obstruction of Justice, not necessarily criminal structure of Justice. But obstruction of Justice in normal sense of the word, and for that we need this information, and we have and congress has a right to get this information and in order to protect the americ-. In public and to do our job. Now, we should make as much that is possible pub public, but we know how to handle congress knows how to handle classified information knows how to handle other information, and for example, his largest category. Probably is information that might be a deleterious or thirteen. Inches to third parties. Well, that's a consideration. But a bigger consideration is the is the protection of the public in an issue of such public of such public interest and important, and you spoke to the attorney general court and courts have ruled in that when you when you last week. Did he define what peripheral third parties means? No, he didn't we got that letter shortly there after that conversation. He did not define that. And he cannot be allowed to define it from self congress to see all this information, and we can make those determinations that that's our job. Remember, the department of Justice both because of its doctrine, it's opinion that a president can never be indicted, and frankly because of the attorney general's memo that says that a president can't commit obstruction of Justice by definition cannot hold the president accountable. Right. The only institution that can hold. The president accountable is. Congress and we have a constitutional responsibility to do that constitution. And the public depends on us to do that. And that's why it is important for the public welfare. That's all this information be shared with congress as it has been in every previous instance. Well, it's interesting to hear you put it that way. Because when we had the president's lawyer, Mr. Secolo on we had that exchange, and he talked about how that other law sunset, and but we went back and forth on the question of well, the constitution didn't sunset, I wanna read another thing you, and then I'll let you continue Mr. chair, we read your letters with great interest, and we observe that in one that you wrote to the DOJ before the Miller report come out. You referred to. Basically the declamation decisions you referred to the idea that basically there's a question about whether Muller tells bar who he charged and didn't charge. And then do you guys? Learn about that. So I want to get on the record tonight having you here in your view has bar satisfied that as he related that to you. Should he list of people who were not charged Willie certainly hasn't related that to us? And yes, it is there's part of the regulations as part of the minimal thing that he has to tell congress he can tell congress a lot more, obviously. But again, remember the key issue here. The key issue is that the Muller investigation took twenty two months VAR summarized it to some or issue is outline of it after four days he is an interested party. He's a political appointee of the president. And we cannot trust the disinterested. This of his analysis and to protect the public. And to protect the rule of law. We must have this information. We must have the entire Muller report. And underlying documents simple as that. And lastly before I let you go. I wanna play a little bit into our way back machine. We've talked a lot about the history. And what does it teach? This is something we found where you were talking about a situation in the star example where they had shipped over as you're demanding now all of the evidence. And then there was a debate over the timing over what congress might redact, let's take a look. This was a rush over the weekend. And what was the rush? There was certainly not enough time even to discuss adequately. The proposed reductions, for example, the democratic staff proposed twenty-seven reductions that the Republican staff didn't agree to. In your view, what's important about that example. That was a debate about both timing used the word rush. And who makes the reductions in that instance, gone. It's a more fundamental debate. It's being used hypocritically by the White House now. To say, hey, haven't you changed your mind in those days? You wanted reductions now you don't then the entire four hundred forty five page star report had been shipped over to congress with all the supporting documentation, congress had everything. And the question was how much of that was going to be made public, and what had to be redacted to protect individuals or whatever in terms of the public, but congress had everything and congress is going to make that decision. We are demanding the same thing, we know demanding that congress get all this all this material and congress can decide right? If any of it has to be with when you put it like that had already been done. So it wasn't like that discussion. Mr Chairman, it makes it sound like okay, congress could make that decision again. And if if the report is so good for the president. Why has appointing fighting so hard to redact it? Well, that's exactly right. If the report is if you want to be very cynical about it. And the report is very good for the. President they'll release it. They'll release it to congress and they'll release it publicly if the report is very bad for the president. They won't do that. They'll try to hide it. And we know that there are things that we know because bar said so that they were. Negative actions criminal actions. That the public doesn't know about cited in Muller's report. We know that Muller did not make a recommendation as to whether obstruction of Justice arose to criminal level, not barmaid that and that's not his decision to make. But again twenty years ago, all the rip the entire report and all the material was given to congress. That's what we're asking for now, chairman Nadler as you prepare to embark on the rest of this legal sparring and issuing as you say the vote to authorize subpoenas tomorrow, I really appreciate you coming on the beat to share your views tonight. Thank you for having me. Thank you, sir. We turn now for reaction to Washington bureau chief for mother Jones, David corn, David what jumps out to you about both the arguments, the chairman makes and what it means to have the Democrats moving forward on a subpoena tomorrow. Well, I think the subpoena issue will probably work itself out in some way, over the course of the next few weeks. I mean, if they have to rely on the subpoena, it could end up going through the court system all the way to the supreme court if the White House and Bill bars, just say, no and refuse it to me some interest. An interesting point here is whether or not there are redaction where the bar tries to redact portions of this either for legitimate or illegitimate reasons the argument that congress should see all of it. So they can evaluate the reductions is to me really important, and that, you know, you talk about checks and balances and the vetting process here and making sure that bars not doing anything under the table because there's a lot of reasons to be suspicious of his role in all this being able to get is on the full report. And look at the grand jury material look at the classified material even thin some sort of classified setting. I think. Is key. If there are significant reductions take a listen to what Donald Trump said outlining his defense on all this today. Well, I think it's ridiculous. The attorney general now and the deputy attorney general no obstruction. They said no of -struction. And so there's no collusion. There's no obstruction. And now we're going to start this process all over again. I think it's a disgrace. Do you see any tells there in the way, he's outlining his legal defence, everything with Trump is a tell in a way, I mean, he said not too long ago that he thought the report should just be released. And now he's not in favor of that. Why does he know? What's in it? Does he or is he just scared about what's in it? The bottom line here is that whether there was collusion or not he engaged in very suspicious activity. We can't pain that was not. There was not chargeable conspiracy. Right. Whether there was a conspiracy criminal conspiracy or not or direct collusion. Whatever you wanna call it. He's still engaged in very suspicious activity in denying a Russian attack was underway. When it was underway and having key people in the campaign interacting with Russians while the attack was underway. So that's really if if there is no direct conspiracy. Those are the things that presumably molar investigated if not congress still should do that. Because that's the American public deserves more answers than Trump has been willing to. Provide. Well, we had the judiciary chairman driving this fight and breaking some news site and David corn with expert reaction. Thank you. As always a sure thing appreciate it. Now coming up. Donald Trump retreating on a key policy issue of ObamaCare, which of course, tees it up for the next presidential election. Senator Angus king on the beat tonight and Democrats authorizing subpoenas separately into the White House security clearance saga Jared Kushner, also making a rare public appearance on Fox News. Do you? Pose a grave national security concern to the country, Jared Kushner. We'll bring you that answer. And a lot more. Michael Cohen's lawyer is also speaking out tonight on the beat his first TV interview since the molar prevented we're going to get into a lot of it. And then later some developments that will show you where twenty twenty is headed. We have the metrics that may be the key to the race. All of that ahead. I'm already Melbourne. You're watching the beat on MSNBC. Brought to you by GS k. If we map the genetics of disease could we change? Its course a GS k we know the information encoded in our genes provides vital knowledge, so we're working with partners to decoded using technology like an advanced search engine we can spot the patterns that lead to diseases like Parkinson's or Alzheimer's because by identifying the patterns that caused disease we hope to transform how patients are treated in the future. And it's impacting millions of Americans site, Donald Trump is backpedaling on ObamaCare and even pulling the rug beneath his own advisers. The president says he actually won't push for a vote that would scrap ObamaCare until after twenty twenty which of course, guarantees healthcare. It will be a big issue in the election. Just like it was in two thousand eighteen where it was perceived to help Democrats all of this comes days after Trump and signalled he did want to get rid of ObamaCare soon, and he sent out his advisors to defend a broad legal attack on this law. Can you guarantee that if you succeed in court that all of those tens of millions of people who have health coverage guaranteed because of ObamaCare will not lose their coverage? ES that quick. Yes. It turns out to be impossible to guarantee because the Trump administration has not even introduced a plan, which is what you'd need underneath any kind of guarantee. Now, let's put the legal attack to Republican state attorneys. General also breaking with the president saying that as a legal matter. The course should preserve the current law. I'm joined now by Maine's independent Angus king who serves also on the intelligence committee, which is much in the news these days, thanks for joining me. What do you make of the president changing gears on ObamaCare? Well, it's political and policy malpractice. Ari? To number one. He's talking about. Well, he's not going to give us a plan. But the department of Justice is still in court asking the judicial system to declare the whole law unconstitutional and throw the whole thing out. So that's the playwright. Now is they want to eliminate the Affordable Care Act entirely. And the admission today is we don't have a plan for what to do. And what really bothers me about this. This isn't a political issue. This is a people issue. I've got seventy thousand people in may and on the ObamaCare exchanges. I've got another seventy thousand who are about to become eligible for Medicaid expansion. That's a lot of people in my state. These are real lives at stake and for them to for him to now say, well, we're going to have this beautiful wonderful plans going to lower premiums and lower deductibles. But I'll tell you what it is after the election. Are I'm old enough to remember Richard Nixon secret plan to end the Vietnam war the Vietnam war ended seven years. After his election. I secret invisible plan enough. Senator I'm old enough to remember studying Richard Nixon in school. Well, thank you for that. But I take your point about about these kind of kick the can down the road promises. You said this affects real people. We wouldn't we don't usually bring up people's medical conditions. But since you brought it up on behalf of the law. I thought that was quite interesting, and I want to share this in case you want to expound upon it. I'm reading from something you wrote where you said if it weren't for insurance or the ACA and a great team of doctors. I'm not sure I'd have this story to tell speaking about about your battle with cancer walkers through y as a politician, you that you wanted to share that what that means to you well because insurance saves lives, and I've actually had to brushes with cancer in my life. The first one was about forty years ago. And because I had insurance that happened to have as part of it, a free checkup. I went in for my checkup, they discovered I had something called malignant melanoma, I had surgery and here I am forty four years later, a very similar thing happened on a routine checkup. And discovered that I had prostate cancer if I hadn't had those checkups which by the way, free checkups are part of the Affordable Care Act if I hadn't had those checkups I wouldn't be here. I mean cancer is treatable disease, but only if it's caught in time, and there are numerous studies in statistics that show that the more people who have insurance, you cut a premature mortality, and this is this is very real to me. And it's real to my people in Maine. Yeah. And you're keeping it real. I mean, these these very important for us to remember what goes on in that building where you are where you exert this national legislative power affects people's lives as you say if in your view, the president is basically being political about ObamaCare or healthcare ACA, whatever people want to call it that is a long ways from the obligation to to look after people's public health and safety while I have you as I mentioned on intelligence. I did want to get your response on another big issue. Take. Listen to Jared Kushner here who has been right in the bullseye of nepotistic national security clearance scandal that now has widened over two dozen Trump aids. Take a listen. We've got a lot of crazy accusations like the we colluded with Russia complied with all the different investigations. Whether it be the Senate the house the special counsel. I've sat for nearly twenty hours of interviews with them. What is your view of the security clearance issue? Do you see it as over with regard to him? He makes the point that he did cooperate lawfully the probe ended without any charge against him or his family or anything like that. Go ahead. Well, those apples and oranges the problem with his security clearances, I understand it was contact with foreign governments and may have had nothing to do with Russia. The same thing. Here's the problem. Are we're not looking when you do a security clearance. It's very unlikely that you're going to find somebody who's a spy what you're looking for is something in their personal life, a great deal of debt of marital infidelity, something that can be used or contact with foreign governments or officials any of which could be used to blackmail the person and turn them into an agent. That's that's what the security process looks at. And we've learned over the weekend that from career professional that twenty five people in this White House, basically, they overrode the recommendations of the professionals gave out the security clearances anyway. And listen, I I met with a group of bankers today. Banks all over the country are being tried. They're being attacked all the time by hackers. And the White House is the, you know, the central place to try to attack our country. There was just someone arrested at mar-a-lago today with malware on a thumb drive. So this is not an insignificant concern. And I heard this morning somebody said, well, it was a custodian custodian might find things in the trash can or see something on a disk that they take a picture of the point is this is the highest level of national security and our country at the White House, and it's not something to be just blown by. Because you like the person or they're nice guys. They worked in your campaign, right? Will you lay out the stakes pretty well? And I know that's a big issue in the intelligence committee, Senator Angus king, thanks for coming on the beat tonight, sir. Thanks sorry. Always good to be with you. Appreciate it. We have a lot more in the show, including what Michael Cohen plans to do about. This report is legal advisor Lanny Davis here tonight. But first Jared Ivanka have some big problems, including according to the numbers likability. When we're back in thirty seconds. The house oversight committee has voted for subpoenas to get more information on this White House security clearance, debacle chairman Cummings maven subpoena, Jared Kushner and vodka Trump pusher has been breaking his silence. You may know he's rarely heard from. But he went on Fox News to address the worries about this White House whistle blower and concerns about his security clearance, calling some of the objections, quote crazy, and he was of course, tapped by his own father in law's senior White House aide, his responsibilities range, this goes well beyond the intelligence stuff. There's Mideast peace there solving the opioid epidemic. There is fixing the way federal government works. Kushner, though, does most of these things outside of the media's spotlight we do know that he's spoken with millers team. We don't know if his wife or named anywhere in the Mola report as I was just discussing with the Senator they may be in the clear on any of that stuff. But now there are reports about how they fare these big family members in the White House. House in public opinion. The New York Times of taint something called e score polling with numbers on both of them, and it measures a basically features of like ability to figure out which personalities appeal to different audiences, and which do not the times writes and twelve percent of people say Vonk has strong positive appeal. Jared falling to a low six percent strong positive. Thirty six percent say strong negative the highest ratings come on things that are subjective. But again, this is polling matters in politics, people finding him to be in their view, insys sear, creepy, and even this is a weird one exposed because he doesn't do a lot of interviews. Someone may have missed the whole report though. Got there with flying colors because he believes that a lot of other people believe both conservative and liberal and those in the middle Jared Kushner. He did not want me to do that. Because I saw this beautiful line. And he didn't want it. But other people did they insisted that I do it. And it was really I am joined by Jacki aluminium, author the Washington Post power up newsletter and Vicky ward investigative reporter and the author of the right book for this discussion Kushner, Inc, all about both of them. Nice to see both of you. Thanks for having me, perhaps -olutely Vicky. Does it surprise you to see such a negative set of associations at the public has with these two while I think it's sort of the beginning of the NAS king right after this couple when they went into the administration. I think the perception of them was very different right everyone hoped that they were going to be modulating influences sort of moral center. But what's interesting about these figures? And by the way, the president will really pay attention to this because I've been in private meetings with him before he went into office. He really pays attention to things like he's really kind of stuff. Needs to brag about his ratings all the time. Absolutely. So I think what's really interesting. And so the central theme of my book is about how they're not what they seen their in disguise. And that's what made them so dangerous. And it seems like the disguise is coming off. Right. Most mosques ruling, well, I exit a was last night if ever on when Jared gave the interview to Laura Ingraham, she did the country unintentionally, I think a great public service with that interview. The idea that he would cool a four hundred page the monitor report nonsense the idea that he would laugh about the idea that all our security agencies. Do not think that he should have a security clearance because of his conflicts of interest, and because of his debts, you think this to use a similar British term this risk Sibal approach to the interview questions. His the mask falling because it's not a good. Look. I think it's a terrible coming. I think whoever advised him to go and do that interview on the same day that congress was saying that they were going to issue subpoenas to his security clearance should be fired. And that is a classic example of Jared's pulling judgement. So Jackie here. Vicky saying that this is about the mask fall. Calling or to paraphrase the rapper future. Who's very knowledgeable that Trump White House issues mask off the references made to the laughter in the interview, let's play. So everyone's on the same page. Here was the Jared Kushner clip. I can't comment for the White House's process. I've been accused of all different types of things and all those things have turned out to be false. When it came to Washington. I had a very successful business career do pose a grave national security concern to the country, very cushion. Because of the presence leadership. The world is safer today. What is your assessment of that? And the argument that putting aside style these individuals have not been wrapped up in problems in the Miller report as far as we know this far they haven't been charged as I say and that they're trying to get back on a different footing. He well. I think Vicki is exactly right. Jared response to Laura Ingraham who might as well be an extension of the White House in terms of providing defense for a lot of members of the administration was really telling laughing and response to you know, serving potentially acting as a national security threat is a response. I think that indicates this idea that Jared, Ivanka, you view themselves in a different light that they, you know, they do not have to adhere to the same standards as the rest of the administration and the rest of the America, quite frankly. And I think what you saw Jared Kushner doing is utilizing bars summary of the Muller report in an exploitation of way that similar to the way that the president's been using it which is using it as a blank. Excuse to exonerate himself from a lot of different issues that cropped up before the mullahs report was even in the conversation, right and nationals the issue of security clearances was been written about since two thousand seventeen and it again is exemplary of how Jared any vonda or, you know, have a different set of standards that the president treats them by and that they treat themselves by in this White House. They'll Vicki I heard you wanted to go through a few more of the of the score pooling. Book as though. On the radio on the rating of Kushner as quote exciting. One percent, glamorous one percent, emotional all human beings, check have emotions. But only one percent. What does that tell you? Yeah. Well, I mean, he's famous for that right for having this very calm. I think Michael Cohen in my book because he's saying he's he's flushed than an EKG flat line, but the but in a way that Sola mosque. I mean, what I show in the book that there are certain things that Jared can get really worked up abide. I mean, one of them was that. Trump needed to James Komi when it was convenient for Jared. It'll be evidence of that in the Miller report based on your reporting. I think there should be there should be whether there will be well, I guess the question is whether Muller's investigators could report as well as you if you have it, exactly. But we don't know. And we always like to say around here. Jackie and Vicky. We what we don't know. We don't know my thanks to both of you for being in this discussion. Thank you know, up ahead as promised Michael Cohen is I can tell you tonight, still working with the New York feds. What is calling about a mole report and the findings have been discussed all week, and what about possible redaction from attorney general bar that could affect cone. I can tell you Michael Coen's legal advisor. Lanny Davis here to answer all next. Michael Cohen has not spoken publicly since the end of the Miller probe and his legal team has been quite tight lipped his advisor Lanny Davis. No stranger to the camera when warranted has yet to give a single television interview. Until tonight, I'm happy to say, Mr. Lanny Davis is with me exclusively his client. Michael Cohen could be central to Miller is final report think about it. Like this. We now know Cohen was the next to last person to be charged in the entire probe back in November for lying to congress. It was two months later that Roger stone was the last person charged in the probe. We also know Cohen's involvement with Trump Tower Moscow that deal during the campaign did not ultimately trigger any conspiracy charges by Muller. We do not know if any other leads provided by Cohen could lead to charges in other open cases. Lanny Davis is my guest tonight. Thanks for being here takes having me. Ari? When you look at the end of this probe was your client Michael Cohen. And we're you surprised that Muller finish. Without finding a chargeable conspiracy. A bit surprise that. He allowed Mr. bar to misstate his report without his getting his own characterizations out. I that's what I would have advised in the misstatement of Mr. bar, which is most disappointing for a lawyer. But a good reputation is no there was no exoneration. Indeed, the exact sentence quoted by Mr. bar was that there was no exoneration on obstruction obstruction. And we don't know what the level of proof necessary to at least accused president United States of the crime of colluding with a foreign government. Well, let me let me high. So we. But let me push you on that. For our learning. You've been very close to this. And we relied on your legal expertise if a conspiracy involved multiple individuals by definition, correct? It would be possible had Muller found chargeable evidence for conspiracy to charge other multiple people without the sitting president. Well, we're going to have to wait for me to answer. Your question are as much as you know, I hate to do this. I believe Michael Cohen has a story to tell about what he told Mr. Muller that leads to strong inferences of knowledge about the Trump Tower meeting, which was by definition collusion. Does Mr. Cohen look at all this as I mentioned him, and Mr. stone being the last people charge does he feel like with all the other information? That's that's come out about other divisionals that in a sense. He's holding a short stick here. Yes. And let me give you three quick answers one. It's very rare that somebody volunteers to testify before congress laying out documentary evidence of crimes by the president states. Writing of the thirty five thousand dollar check signed by Donald Trump is evidence of a crime of conspiracy to violate the. Very climb that the federal prosecutors said was directed by President Trump second the book that was just published about that testimony lays out the documentation behind Mr. Cohen's testimony of crimes by the United States before and after his presidency and finally his son along with Mr. Weisselberg the chief. Accounting officer chief financial writer, excuse me, signed to check in March of two thousand seventeen Mr. Trump signed it eight months into his presidency for thirty five thousand dollars payment for hush money under a criminal conspiracy. Donald junior is not president. Now there was Mr. Weisselberg. Why have they not been indicted? They signed you check those. Cooperations? Those are open issues. SDN what there is no question that there open issues, Mr. Cohen is fully cooperating, but the southern district of New York, and is offering more information that he's now discovered when he's retrieved back his cell phones and other documents from the southern district we're getting with digital evidence beyond what he laid out in in his congressional testimony. That is correct. And he's also have additional information for the southern district involving criminal behavior to be to let me just you have to see let me get you on Mr. Mr. bar, a fellow member of the bar like yourself in Washington rarified group. I know you all know each other to some degree. He has language that many people are intrigued by the latest letter about what he'd hold back. He says he would hold back information impacting peripheral third parties in the mother report. Lanny number one. Do you think that could include Michael Cohen and number two if so would you or your? Clients say that you want to waive any attempt by Mr. Barker redac- things involving Mr. Cohen in the final report by Muller. Well, have to consult with my client to answer your question about my legal advice to Mr. Cohen. But I would say that since Mr. Cohen is guilty to crime that prosecutors says was directed and controlled by the now, president United States who just wrote a hush money payment and on national television. We saw his signature from his personal account. I would say that Mr. bar has a question he should answer. Why hasn't Mr. Trump's son and his chief financial officer been indicted for writing those hush money payments and the cover up scheme that had Michael Cohen writing the check for hush money for miss annuals. Annuals big Mr. Shawn big question. Like, a good lawyer, I suppose, that's what you're good hat, right? The question you raise is really burning here, which is giving the financial documentary evidence that you mentioned if it was a crime as as Mr. Colin confessed and SDN y charge. What was the difference at all between Donald Trump junior's role, and Mr. Coen's will they both would be seeming to be misleading about the funds for the beneficiary then candidate Trump. Well, that is a question that mystifies me that the American mainstream media is an eskimo we put up a check a presence in the United States committing a crime while president and not one Republican during the hearing of Michael Cohen asked about that check. Now, Don, jR, who's not president? No problem indicting him this to why was given immunity while Mr. Cohn was forced to plead guilty for doing what Donald Trump told them to do with Mr. Weisselberg is that a disparity of Justice. This here we're working with the southern district. We hope that they will move as Gresley in uncovering these crimes that Michael Cohen is presenting them with evidence of so that at least the American people get to know the truth about a president. I'd states who not only committed fraud and other crimes before he became president. But again, I keep repeating with total mystification he wrote a check while he was president implementing a criminal hush money scheme involving in affair with an adult film star. And the government the prosecutor said he ordered Michael Cohen to pay that money to miss Daniels. And it was part of a cover up because he would make the payment not Trump three days before the election. There's no question there was political motivation making it a crime. Well, and as you say the money ran through the Trump organization as missed. Scribe corporate funds the jurisdictions in New York, we will keep reporting on that. That's why we try to go back to the sources on both sides of these things. Lanny davis. Thank you also mentioned dishing, your legal work. You're the author of the book the unmaking of the president twenty sixteen our thanks to Lanny. And we will be right back. Some democratic presidential candidates revealing for the first time the amount of money. They have raised over the first few months of the year the first quarter, and these are big clues into where we're headed. Senator Sanders topping the list with eighteen million comma Harrah's showing she is seen by many as a front runner with twelve mil- and mayor Pete Buddha. Judge stacking seven EMS as they say in the primary season. I will note that other democratic campaigns have yet to release the results. So we don't have the when we get them. We'll show them to you. The president meanwhile has not revealed his fundraising haul, but we can tell you by the end of two thousand eighteen his reelection campaign had spent nearly half of the money raised including six million dollars on maybe not a surprise legal fees. I also want to tell you what you fall twenty twenty that several contenders are back on MSNBC tonight Kirsten gillibrand on hardball and Julian Castro with Rachel Maddow later tonight. So don't miss that. And we'll be back with one more thing. We hear directly from chairman Jerry Nadler tonight tomorrow, we'll be watching the big vote on his committee's potential subpoenas for the full Muller report. All that up ahead. Hi, it's Stephanie rule. If you love MSNBC where your heart on your sleeve gear up with t shirts. Hoodies hats and more from Belgian rule and all of your favorite MSNBC shows at MSNBC store dot com.
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"Sir. Welcome to the second episode of the investigation. I'm cure Phillips and thank you for being here with us. Once again, we are going to continue to take you behind the scenes with our ABC news task force as we continue to uncover and dive into all the details of the molar investigation. Of course here with me once again, we're partners in crime head of the task force. Chris flato? It was a great I show we had last week with John Dowd who kind of told all and we got a lot of headlines all over the country, and we're going to have Democrats. We're gonna have Republicans which kind of leads us though to our second guest who, you know, both of us have known for a long time. And when I know him he was the Clinton hatchet man, who now is is working for Michael Cohen, former White House special counsel, and as you mentioned legal adviser to Michael Cohen. He's the founder of the strategic communications firm Trident DM de Lanny Davis. I only can say Chris last. Oh that if I was a hatchet, man. I never used a hatchet against him. Didn't you save his tempted though, that's that's a story. I heard that saved his job came to his defense when he deserved to be defended handed any, you know, though, though, Lanny I did say in the other show, I said the difference of you know, covering twenty years ago when we. During the Clinton administration. And now, even though the story is on steroids. I think I think the Trump story is significantly bigger. I thought I thought Clinton was a big story of big story of my lifetime. This is I think even bigger story. But the difference was Clinton had people do his work people like you, President Clinton didn't do it himself. Donald Trump does it himself. And that kind of makes this big difference. Don't you agree or they say a lawyer who represents himself has a fool for a client say that about a president and a lot of his mistakes using his Twitter account much of other things he does reflects what I think is basically a poor judgment history. That Michael Kohn is told me after ten years of working for him. It would be kind to say that he has poor judgment. He has no judgment in the years that Michael worked for him. It's quite amazing. Some of his personal experiences that he's described to me. I'm just curious. You went right to Michael Cohen. Okay. You you're like. King liberal, Mr. democrat. And you're representing Michael Cohen explained to me why. Well, will I could use the usual reason that attorneys represent people that aren't always good people. That is what we do as a profession. But that isn't the reason I decided to work for Michael Cohen. It took a while for him to persuade me that he had made a genuine turn in his life after ten years of shoveling you-know-what behind Donald Trump in a amoral if not immoral environment with a man without a moral, compass, I did not want to represent someone who had defended him all these years on all of those dirty deeds. But that expression, dirty deeds is the expression that Michael us with me when he said, I am now frightened for my family and my country. It's one thing to do this over a ten year time period that I'm ashamed of because he was in the private sector. But now he's president. And he scares. Me. Would you help me get the truth out? And it took me a while to be convinced that he was sincere. And once I was convinced I realized I was not just doing it to help a client Michael Cohen. It's hard for me to imagine. Michael Cohen being frightened. I mean, I'll be really blunt here. I've known him for a really long time. He's a hard ass. And he's mean, and he's tough. And he yes, he threatened me more than you threaten me. I don't blame anyone for being skeptical because I've had many reporters with bed experiences. When Michael Cohen was yelling at them on behalf of Donald Trump. I had bad experiences. Seeing Michael Cohen on television and feeling that way, he's yelled at me, y'all de Blasio. I am convinced took me several weeks of many many, many hours of conversations to be convinced that he is a man transformed. He's a different Michael Kohn than you. Remember, he's got the burden of proof to prove that when you say he fears the president. I mean is he afraid the president's going to have him taken out or something? I mean, you may. You make it sound like this is some sort of fatal threat. First of all there is something bad to say about his tweets in tacking, Michael cone. So let's get to that. And then I'll tell you about my word fear 'cause I fear Donald Trump because he has a finger this close to the button, and he is sold us out as far as I'm concerned Helsinki is dispositive proof that he sold us out to Putin and the Russians he's compromised us with our allies his judgment is so poor that I don't know what he's going to do when he goes to North Korea. He is literally a man without judgment, and he's presently United States. He scares the unit out of me. And so it does he scare Michael cone. But beyond that, here's a president. I'd states the top official in law enforcement and everything else in the United States using Twitter to call a person who has cooperating with prosecutors Iraq, the word rat has a meaning in prison. What is it? Snitch? It would ease. Your life is in danger. It means that the president United States on Twitter. Call somebody going to prison for cooperating with the government rat that is so reckless and so dangerous that in and of itself isn't abuse of power that could lead to his ouster much less having Giuliani. His lawyer call out his father in law and his wife and says that his father in law might be connected on national television to organize crime Michael Cohen and President Trump have rolled in the same circles. Lanny. So I absolutely saw Michael Cohen that way for many many years in it was quite negative and got dirty and shoveled you-know-what behind Trump all the time until I believe in. Now, I believe him that he underwent transformation and decided to tell the truth. And when the issue of pardon came up, he has asked me, and I'll repeat here. He wouldn't take a pardon. If. Trump pleaded with him to take why? Because it would be dirty. Why cause the man giving the pardon is dirty? So I believe is transformation when he stood up and pled guilty. He said to the court I did deeds. I'm ashamed of myself. I wanna make up for it by telling the truth, and I'm going to prison to do think. The the prosecutors been southern district to York too harsh on Michael Cohen. So look I'm a good enough lawyer with a client that I'm not criticizing even a little bit. The prosecutors in New York Michael is now cooperating the best he can to persuade them that he's not as bad as they thought he was, but I can't say this with respect for the prosecutors number one give a give you one fact of a crime that he pled to and that he's serving time he took out a loan as part of the hush money that Donald Trump directed him to pay that's in on the public record that the. Prosecutors put into the sentencing memo Donald Trump directed him to pay hush money to stormy Daniels. So the story wouldn't come out right after the access Hollywood right before the election because he feared the political consequences that's called a crime. And when he did that he used his own home equity line for five hundred thousand dollars as money to pay stormy Daniels. Why didn't use Trump money or Trump organization money because they were covering it up. They didn't want traceable. So he borrowed out of his own equity line yet. He was charged with making a false statement. We're not disputing that somewhere on the financial application yet that has been charged as a crime, and the fact that it was on a crime that a lot of people. Well, let's just say that it's not a process normally people in prosecute for goodness sakes. The Bank is the last one that would complain if they're covered ten to one but the judgment by the prosecutors, which we do not question. Was that it was a crime to have a false statement elsewhere on the financial application and the time that he is serving. He is serving and he has cooperated, and he has told the prosecutors, I'll try to give you more information. Would he do that for Donald Trump? Well, first of all when he finally guilty wasn't for Donald Trump. That's after he decided to tell the truth about why did he spent ten years as the shovel brigade doing all these what he destroys a home equity loan? Why would this? He did it for Donald Trump because he was doing what he did for Donald Trump all through the years. He was the shovel UCLA circus, and you see what people behind the elephants do. But that's what he was doing. Would he do that? Why would he do that for Trump Trump? Trump asked him not only to break the law, but to cover it up by coming from his own personal money. And then get we paid by the company as if it was a legal fee, which eat what would it wasn't which everybody knew it wasn't. He did it because in those days before he's I regard to be. Transformed. Michael Cohen, whatever Mr. Trump wanted. I'm here to clean up after do. You think I'm in Muller reports gonna come out maybe in a couple of weeks or few weeks and campaign finance campaign. Finance violation is not going to be part of the mullahs report. But do you think it's an impeachable offense? No doubt is a felony. But you are not all felonies impeachable. Right. I don't know what felony isn't a impeachable. But if you're corrupting in American election, which is what hush money right before the election is that your hushing up something that could affect the election seventy thousand votes in three skates at a fifteen million elected Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton who have to Ed one by more than three million popular votes with those seventy thousand votes in Pennsylvania. Michigan and Wisconsin have been changed at fifteen million. Do the math if they had known about the stormy Daniels. Hush money payment. Roy does Michael Cohen have anything that could lead to criminal charges. Does he have anything on Mr. Trump? Yes, that could lead to criminal charges. So I can't answer that question except to say evasively that he went to work with in cooperate with Mr. Muller for seven days and seventy hours, and Mr. Muller's words were he gave us evidence that go to the core? Issues of our investigation, certainly his evidence on Mr. Trump directing him to pay hush money was evidence of felony that Mr. Trump is guilty of how much don't we know? We know kind of what Michael Cohen said in the public record. But how much don't we know? Well, we don't know a lot. If it seventy hours seven days, we've Mr. Muller, we know nothing about that other than what Mr. Muller said, which is that it was relevant important or significant and went to the core issues of the investigation. That's always. So does he have anything that could bring down this president? I just can't answer that or even guests. I know that if he ever has a chance to testify publicly he won't be able to address any of the issues that Mr. Muller investigating and a lot of people will be disappointed by that. But what he will talk about is exactly what we were talking about earlier is what did you do for Mr. Trump during those ten years and why and what caused you to change until the truth and refuse to accept department and become transformed. He needs to tell his personal story to the American people. And when he does what we all think, we know about Donald Trump and all the negative reactions that many of us have to Donald Trump. You're going to hear impersonal frontline experiences of memories and incidents, and conduct and comments that Donald Trump said over that ten year time period behind closed door that to me when I first heard Michael tell me all this even as much as I knew about Trump that was negative was chilling. Do you think the Trump people have played this? Smartly in the sense of that there's a feeling that we already know what's going to come as a strategic. There's a lot of people like John Carl has reported on the air that he thinks this report may be anti-climatic. And he's saying that only because we know a lot, and we're now accepting things as par for the course of this presidency. Do you know what I'm saying? Well, I think there is a preemptive strategy that at times I've seen really any CHAI and as usual messed it up by getting bad news, add himself in order to numb everyone. And I've seen a little of that command of the Trump wide has I think the media nowadays kind of sets up the bar that's impossible the meat. And if there isn't a smoking gun that means Trump wins or they are high fiving at the White House because his popularity went up to forty four percent from thirty seven percent. The bump that happens after an inaugural. Nation and the government shutdown. If I ever had the experience in the Clinton White has of high fiving that we were at forty percent. This man has sixty percent of the country who is afraid of him and considered him as reckless as I do. So whatever happens in report, I'm sure the Trump White House, and I think the media will do the same thing. Oh, well, it wasn't a smoking gun and it's victory. John Dowd said on our premier podcast that he believes that that won't be made public that according to the laws the guidelines the hill just give it to Bill bar, and that's it. Well, I deal respect for Mr. doubt. He'd probably is a great loss that he was the one sound voice of advice to Mr. Trump and his no longer there. Sounds like wishful thinking to me, this is all about politics. This man can't get above the low forties in job approval rating with one of the greatest economies we've had in years, but they're high. Fiving when it gets to put three percent. So I am saying Mr. Dow is engaging wishful thinking if the only standard is a felony, and you can't prosecute a president. We would prosecute this president for what he did. I'm paying hush money corrupting in American election, and he doesn't even defend that Mr. Dow's, right? But I think that the American people are wiser than a narrow view by an excellent lawyer like Mr. down Nancy Pelosi tweeted that she believes Putin has something on on Trump. Do you agree? I infer it which means that I agree from a reasonable inference. I can't prove it. But yes, there's no other explanation to me why he took the notes of a translator never in American history is that ever happened. Well, let me play the other side. He had been burnt his first calls as president by someone leaked out his conversations with the Australian president the prime minister, you got he could be a bit paranoid. Loyd. He I mean, he there could be men on the moon. I there could be martians under my bed. The fact is his conduct with Putin secretive taking phone calls not enforcing sanctions having his campaign officials constantly meeting with Russia and then lying about not talking about Russia. But let me put it this way. Mr. Trump has never had a policy of telling the truth to the American people and what he's done with Mr Putin and all the context and all the lies. You have to ask yourself why? But there is one other point to be made about the standard of this Mullah report, I go back to king Henry the second. King Henry the second was very angry with the archbishop of Canterbury. But he was too smart to tell his nights go kill your Bishop of Canterbury. So what he said was would know in rid me of this grievous priest. In about ten minutes later, the Bishop of Canterbury was debt, if you were on a jury, would you convict king Henry the second of being part of a conspiracy to murder, Mr. Trump never ordered anyone or never did anyone? I didn't collude. I didn't clue I didn't clued he just gave out plenty of signals to his people. So that's lighten up on the campaign plank. Let's not enforce sanctions. That's promised. We won't whited Mr Flynn plead guilty. Why did he lie? Why did everybody lie? Mr. Trump is smart enough to say, well, no one rid me of that grievous priest. Never thought the show is not so intellectual quickly going back into my move. Does another easier way to explain why Mr. Trump can be inferred as being compromised by the Russians. You don't have direct evidence of it. But as I think Bob Woodward and call Bernstein agreed circumstantial evidence is the following you go to bed at night. And there's no snow on the ground you wake up in the morning. And there's no on the grand jury convict that. It's note, you didn't see it. So this is the way Donald Trump is operated as Michael Kohn will explain to the years. He uses code words. He winks any nods and people do what he wants. He doesn't say go kill the archbishop of Canterbury. He says we'll no one would me of this grievous priest, and that's why Mr. doubt standard of direct or as I heard recently. There's no direct evidence of collusion. No. There's no evidence that he even knew the word clues. I doubt that Donald Trump used the reclusion, but did everybody act talk and walk with more Russians meeting talking. Involved with including in the Oval Office where Mr. Trump denounced James Komi and said he was a wacko to the top spy, Russia and the United States. There's just so much Russian involvement is at all coincidence. I think that there's an inference to be John that Mr. Trump including trying to hide what he actually says to Putin. But do you think the president said he's compromised? Do you think all the congressional you? And I did a lot of congressional investigations it bogged down a presidency the American people worked to Bill Clinton's favor twenty years ago investigate over investigating over you know, that this could blow up in the Democrats face danger of overreach on behalf of victims. The fact is you're right. We could overreach, and we have a tendency just like the Republicans to follow the most extreme voices in our base. And there is a danger that we will do that the insurance policy that that won't hurt us in that. We will still prevail in twenty twenty is we're. Running against somebody who is mentally unbalanced. And the American people fear, and I'm not using those words lightly. I believe fifty five to sixty percent of the American people will never vote for Donald Trump under any circumstances. I believe the issue and twenty twenty which Michael Cohen can speak to better than anyone as the man lacks character. He speaks in bigoted words in private which Michael Cohen will tell you he treats people badly, he has no moral character in defrauding people in his businesses and going bankrupt and taking cash out and putting people out of work. He lacks the moral compass that we expect in our presidents. That is a lot more powerful that will occur at the polls then in an impeachment proceeding or in congressional investigation. They do have to while. You're Michael Cohen told many a reporter talking about Donald Trump, even about the stormy Daniels stuff. He'd swear on his children that it wasn't true. So why should we believe him? Now. I mean, I know you. Said but before but he's sworn up and down. Do you gotta trust me? Trust me. I didn't I did this on my own personal fair question. This is a moment of history. Let's right down the date and the time I've said to Chris Basta that he asked me a fair question is is like historical. No, I'm a great fan of Chris is a fair question. Chris. And as I sit to Michael on it took me awhile to be persuaded. You have a heavy burden improve people going to start out saying after all you did you've admitted to lying going to prison for admitting to lying to congress. Why should we believe you? And I'm good enough in the business that I'm in which is to try to get facts out and try to restore people's reputations. That Michael no he starts from a deep hole and the hole is the whole of what he did for Trump for ten years there. A couple of things that he'll say that he heard Donald Trump say behind closed doors about black people that people even. His supporters will say he up that Trump. So in a few weeks Michael Cohen is going to go to jail. What's his head right now? We're we're. Asking his his his family, his great wife too. Great children. And if his name, we're not associated with Donald Trump. I do not believe he would have been the subject to this massive raid. And I don't believe that he'd be at least doing the time that he's doing. But his distress is great. We've set up a gofundme site he hasn't worked for well. Over a year. He certainly worried about a future ability to earn a livelihood and his two kids one out of college. One out of grad school are and his wife are in great distress that their dad's going away for maybe as long as the years, see ready for jail can he survive jail. Lanny he'll survive he's -vivor, and he's a not happy when the Pesident states launches attacks on his wife on his father in law, and then cause them rat which is a label. Then in prison can be a dangerous label. So that is to be taken seriously. But I do think he has been transformed. That's my opinion took me awhile to come to that opinion. And I'm gonna leave it to everybody, including both of you to decide after you've heard him when he speaks whether he should be believed. Thank you very much. Lanny. Thank you. It's hard to believe I've known Lanny Davis for twenty five years. But you know, he he does have a lot of stories to tell all the right back. You see headlines across your screen all day, but you're busy. What do you need to know? What's actually shaping your world? I'm Brad milkey from ABC news and every morning we start here. It was extraordinarily for as watching here in Singapore. ABC's new daily podcast a handful of stories just twenty minutes director Comey. Thanks for being with us. Newsmakers smart reporting taking you straight to the heart of the story starting here. Listen for free on apple podcasts or your favorite podcast at. Welcome back to the investigation. I'm Kira Phillips bringing in now, Matt mosque and Johnson to cheat. Two of our best reporters, of course, within the task force. We had to cut Chris last loose. Apparently, he's gonna some underground bunker to meet with a secret source that sounds like fun. Can we go there? He's in a parking garage somewhere with his deep third source. All right. Well, that'll be the next episode. So what you guys think about the interview with Davis? I thought he was fascinating. And a really interesting contrast to the previous week with John Dowd from John down, you heard the president's point of view from. Lanny you really heard the other side of the story when you and Chris were talking about who Michael Cohen is lannie saying he's changed. He's better and YouTube or saying you both in threaten can I just say Michael Cohen told me he would throw me headfirst out of the twenty six floor of Trump Tower. I wouldn't throw you. Might push you. But I, you know, I I was told I'd be flung headfirst. We've all been on the back end of phone calls and conversations with Michael Cohen. I mean, he yells he screams, and he gets really mad. And you know, I like to say I've had uncomfortably comfortable debates and conversations with Michael Cohen. But Lenny Davis is convinced. He's had a spiritual awakening he is a different person. He is no longer filthy liar. He says, he's come clean. I mean, what's interesting about this transformation and the dispute about whether there was one is that's reflected in the sentencing memos from the special counsel. And then from the southern district of New York. Here's one thing. This other district of New York said about Michael Cohen any suggestion by Cohen that his meetings with law enforcement reflect a selfless and unprompted about-face are overstated. I agree with that. I was. But in the room, but I would just say I completely believe that. But if you listen to Lanny Davis, he said that Michael Cohen is going to give America peek behind Donald Trump's boardroom door, and it's quote chilling. That's the first time we've heard that right here cheer is will. And what's interesting about that is that remember the way that Trump Tower was designed Michael Cohen's office was one of the closest to Donald Trump closer than any of his adult children. His was just a couple of feet away that kids role one floor below him. So to know the way Donald Trump operates when he's just asking for something pulling people in it is believable that Michael would have seen a lot over more than a decade of being his personal lawyer. So I do think he'll give important insight. I would just say knowing Michael and how he's very capable and likes to stretch the truth. It'll be interesting as to how overdramatic and how overplaying his. Gonna be when he sorting to retell these events, but you bring up a good point. Because even before Trump was president. And I wanted to talk to Donald Trump. I wanted to get an interview at Donald Trump. I had to go through Michael Cohen. I wasn't going through some PR person or some other type of Representative. I had to go through Michael Cohen. He was John Miller. The Donald Trump publicist that sounded awfully a lot like him. You'd never spoke to that guy. Never lucky. What I thought was helpful in talking to Lanny was we didn't really know we've heard that Michael Cohen is going to testify on the hill. And the next phase of this whole saga are going to be the show hearings on the hill. And Michael Cohen will be a star of that. We didn't know whether Michael was going to talk about the special counsel investigation. Sounds like he's not what he's going to talk about is what really happened behind closed doors in Trump Tower. I think it's going to be a huge disappointment. Everybody on Capitol Hill. Right. Because you've all. These members of congress hoping praying wishing that somebody will give them some insight into a Bob Muller spin up to it's been going on almost two years. Witnesses have not been able to go before these committees for this exact reason Muller's still looking into them. And they were hoping that Michael since is deals done. He's heading off to jail would be able to give them that insight. I mean based on Lanny's interview Kira, they are going to be extremely disappointed in this presentation. Because Lanny was saying Michael's going to reveal lot about President Trump's moral, compass, but he didn't say way to you hear what Michael has to say about collusion is an expert at navigating the crisis situations, and I think what he's probably telling us is. It's too early for Michael Cohen to talk about the Muller investigation. And so he's not gonna do it. I think this is a perfect time to bring in our Justice correspondent Pierre Thomas. Welcome to the podcast, peer. We're good to be here. You ready? You ready to have a very transparent debate here. You know, you're making me nervous. Pierre nervous. Nobody knows what's coming next better than peer and so- peer tell us. What's next? Well, I mean, I guess we could use that phrase. And so it begins. We have the new attorney general who wants attorney general William bar now in place at the Justice department, and there's some huge things on the table this coming for dinner, if you will the mullahs report, what's he going to say about it is he going to sit over to congress. How much is he going to release to the public that is staring into face almost day one? And I think it's fair to say based on the comment from the acting attorney general Matt Whitaker few weeks ago that report could come in anytime days, if not weeks, you think there may have been some clues in a court hearing that took place week or two ago. Tell us what you read off of the transcript of that hearing. Last week. We had a document release involving a close hearing that was between manafort's attorneys the special counsel's office and the judge overseeing the case and the special counsel was talking freely in what was a closed hearing in a way that we never see them talk in open court. And he said that manafort's relationship and contact by with a guy named Constantine Kalinic who is suspected being a Russian intelligence officer, Andrew Weissmann. Principal deputy for Muller said that quote, those contacts and while they were having them and what they were talking about quote, go to the heart of the special counsel investigation. I don't know if you that's just very dramatic language that we hit never heard before. And as you read into the document deeper. There was something else that was in there that a lot of people haven't noticed, and we're gonna talk about it right now for listeners probably have not heard this before he also said that whatever they were discussing was so critical, and whatever that Manafort was lying about was so critical that they believe that he thought it could impact his potential of getting a pardon the word, pardon was dropped in the document. And again, we'd never heard special counsel. Utter that word pardon in relation to Manafort Pierre. This is like super painful for all of us. I think right because the the transcript is filled with redemptions. So all the hints and clues that are offered. There are not quite fulfilled. Are we going to be able to learn more about what they were talking about you think? Well, I've been pressing some sources, right. Do you keep redacting all this information? And the only thing I can get from someone who is knowledgeable is that we black out the information that's considered ongoing. Ongoing. So this notion of Manafort, again think about it during the cigar room, not far from Trump Tower, three blocks away, three blocks away giant. You wanna tell us about the cigar? Yeah. I mean, I I know it I mean, it's it's Fokker. Smoke cigars with telling you. But it's it's a very interesting place grant Vanna room. So this is a club located on the top floor of six six six Fifth Avenue. The building is owned by the Kushner family owned it for the last several years. They've had some debts on it. They've been trying to pay it off they've straighten that out. It's a private club. The membership is their security cameras. There is we need to go and find those. Yes, we do. What's interesting about this club? Just some of the members that belong to it. Right. So you have the two Trump adult children. They are members reach Leonis member. But then it gets a little weird. Alec Baldwin's member. Al Sharpton is a member it's a very unique juxtaposition of New Yorkers that belong to this club. And Manafort was there many times throughout the campaign. He would take meetings there. But Pierre what was interesting to me in this long filing from the special counsel. We got to see what happened quarter couple of weeks ago is that this meeting the grant Vana room was in August of two thousand sixteen everything that we had originally heard is that the context with clinic who they refer to as KK were earlier in the year bliss ticket step back if. The campaign chairman of the Republican nominee the deputy chairman and the government is saying they're meeting with a suspected Russian intelligence offer. It's insane. And the government has said on the record that polling data shared with clinic. Now, there's always fastened to me what they will withhold. We still don't know what. The polling data is. To because we have to remember this campaign was not sophisticated earlier on we had a conversation, peer you. And I we thought it was the spring Kira? You know, they didn't even they were going to win. They didn't have a polling up. Right. And they will relying on the Republican National Committee. They had one person Tony for breezy of who is doing like big national polling, but let's just be honest national polling when you're going state by state by state, it really doesn't mean a damn thing you need to know what's happening in the states that are actually going to be going to the ballot boxes for primaries. I thought it was interesting when they were talking about this cigar room meeting that they noted how covertly they entered and exited the meeting that the three of them all left through separate exits that doesn't seem like something. The Muller team would know by accident will security camera footage. Like, here's point that. They're really I'd love to see the camera video appear. Here's my. Big question on this. I think a lot of people if Paul Manafort is often doing honestly these things to benefit himself. Right. He had money owed to him to a lot of foreign countries. God knows he owed money himself to others from Ukraine other work. He had done could he have been doing this without Donald Trump or the Trump family knowing anything about it. Because that's what seems like this have nothing to do with campaign. Yeah. That's a very fair point. And I think and just the one with route. They're maybe when we saw Rudy Giuliani and Kellyanne Conway in the last couple of months saying, well, look, I didn't collude, and I don't believe Donald Trump colluded. But if other people on the campaign, we're often doing this. You know, who knows maybe that was them getting ahead of this narrative now that we're seeing in this Vialli, this this is an important moment to make this point in not a single case that Bob Muller has brought has he implied or implicated the president of the United States with doing any single crime? That's fact, we can look at the thirty four indictments and charges, and there's never any allegation to president United States has done. Anything more interested in cases to Bob Muller has brought you're certainly right. And in terms of the Manafort case and the filing there's no implication or. Indication that the president of the United States then candidate Donald Trump knew that this was happening. I'll share with you something that source told me that have to be careful. But here we go with the podcast give it up. What are you say? All right, bring it the air going to make the headline right here. The think about the strictly from the Russian point of view, it's established that a number of people in Trump's orbit or having all these different contacts with the Russians. So at minimum Russians are looking at this group of people seem not to be seeing us as enemies, but people that they can do business with let's see if we can influence them to our advantage in can tell you from the counterintelligence community that the Russians were gaining. It was win win for them. The moment that they had contact with Trump organization officials, and it was not reported back to the FBI. So that the F B I could be proactive investigating. I think the. Big hanging question from our first podcast is John Dowds assertion that. There may not be any report and all the stuff we're talking about. We may never know the answer to curious peer, whether you think that's yeah. He used the D were declaration. Well, his every source. I've talked to says the following that there's going to be a an extraordinary fight over getting that report sent to congress in a way that they're satisfied with the Democrats on the House Judiciary committee Democrats in the house are not going to be satisfied with some pared down. You know, generic report where they don't see all the information because many of them are making the case privately that, although Bob Muller might not find crimes, and what is an impeachable offense. Or what is considered something? That they would care about is a completely different man. They just sort of want a roadmap of how to move forward here in Capitol Hill. I mean, you've been up there cure. I mean, the investigations of they're launching a different ways they're going. I mean, they are looking at anything sixty plus subpoenas. Well, and also too I asked Elijah Cummings with regard to Michael Cohen. Is this the guy that can tell you whether or not there was collusion. And he said, I don't I don't know. But all I want is the truth. So as we get ready for Michael Cohen, and the fact that he's going to testify. What does he really know? Does he have something that can implicate the president could there be criminal charges? And if so could that lead to impeachment? That's what everybody wants to know that that's true based on Lanny's interview with you, and Chris it doesn't sound like Michael's legally able to provide that roadmap when he if he goes and testifies before he heads off to prison. An answer to this by next week's podcast. I hope so, but I highly doubt it so PR question for you. With regard to the molar investigation to this point. What is the biggest revelation for you? Or the biggest thing that you have learned the Spar a great question. I still would say what is his poor notamment. What is his assessment of all the facts have been gathered? And the fact that even in the indictments that. We've see there's been so much redacted information the go quote to the heart of the investigation. I'm quite frankly tired of it. I wanna know what is the bottom line? What is the information that's been withheld from all of us into the most critical things that would help. Bob Muller team understand what did take place and what did not? I think a lot of people share your frustration about that that maybe it's time for the all move into the public independent. View. Yeah. We we're advocates for the first amendment. We wanna know all the facts. But I spoke to a former very senior Justice department official recently this person came to bars hearing and support and he said, you know, on the one hand we had Ken Starr's investigation. And there were a lot of leaks, and we kind of knew the narrative before the report came out and on this hand, we don't know the bottom line of the core of what Muller is finding. We don't know. And he said, I think the the best example might be somewhere in the middle. He doesn't think that this much of a black hole about the core of what mos- findings are is good for anyone. He doesn't good for the president. Then think is good for the American public. We should know more about the bottom line where Muller is going with this investigation. I think that's a great place to wrap up. Pier. So glad that you could be with us for this episode. And thanks for joining us for the second episode of the investigation, be sure to hit subscribe, leave us a rating and review. So that other folks can find us, and it's also great feedback for us. And thanks to our producers behind the scene. Tear Trevor Hastings Caitlyn Fulmer Emily Rochelle sqi and for my colleagues Chris last. Oh, Matt moss. Johnson tucci. We will see you next Tuesday on the investigation.
Poll: Americans believe Cohen over Trump
"Now, it's time for the last word with Lawrence O'Donnell. Good evening, Mark. Rachel Michael Cohen testifies again tomorrow those doors to the intelligence committee. We have a member of the committee who be questioning tomorrow joining us and his lawyer. Lanny Davis is be so Lanny Davis made some news on our show earlier this week and what he has within the past weekend. He tends to have his finger on the pulse hair. So he's very good at that. And that's why he's our lead guest tonight. And he might make some moves to sit on the edge of my seat starts that you're Rachel. Well, as I said Michael Cohen will be testifying once again tomorrow at a closed session of the house intelligence committee and might cones lawyer. Lanny Davis will be our first guest tonight. When Michael Cohen speaks investigators around the country, take notes and go to work new your times is reporting tonight that New York state insurance regulators are now investigating President Trump and his company because of Michael Collins answers to Kyra swim Alexander. Ndra Okaz yo Cortes. Has an ever provide inflated assets to an insurance company. Yes. Who else knows that the president said this Allen Weisselberg, Ron Liebman and Matthew calamari? The mayor times is reporting quote, New York. State regulators have issued an expansive subpoenaed to the Trump organizations longtime insurance broker the first step in an investigation of insurance policies and planes involving President Trump's family business. According to a person briefed on the matter of the New York Times also reports that the nine page subpoenaed demands, a broad range of materials dating back to two thousand nine the subpoenaed demands copies of all communications between an insurance broker and Donald Trump and the Trump organization state and federal investigators are not the only ones who found Michael cones testimony credible enough to require further investigation. A new Quinnipiac poll shows that fifty percent of voters believe Michael Cohen now more than they believe President Trump with only thirty five percent believe President Trump more than they believe Michael Cohen that same Quinnipiac poll shows that sixty four percent of voters believe that. The President Trump committed crimes before he took office. Only twenty four percent do not believe the president committed crimes before he took office. Forty five percent of voters believed that the president has committed crimes while in office. Forty-three percent do not believe that the president has committed crimes while office. Michael Cohen provided the house oversight committee evidence that President Trump has indeed committed crimes both before he took office during his presidential campaign. And while in office as president that evidence came in the form of checks delivered to Michael Cohen from President Trump, including one that was signed in the White House by the present. Michael Cohen, testified that those checks were part of an illegal payoffs scheme to stormy Daniels to buy her silence about her affair with Donald Trump during the presidential campaign. In February of twenty seventeen one month into his presidency. I'm visiting President Trump in the Oval Office for the first time, and he says to me something to the effect of don't worry. Michael your January and February reimbursement checks are coming. They were FedEx from New York, and it takes a while for that to get through the White House system as he promised I received the first check for the reimbursement of seventy thousand dollars. Not long thereafter here is that February check for seventy thousand dollars, which covered two months of the agreed upon payment of thirty five thousand dollars a month to Michael Cohen to reimburse him for the money that he paid to stormy Daniels note that this check came from the Donald J Trump trust account the trust account that check is signed by the Trump chief financial officer, Ellen Weisselberg. And Donald Trump junior Michael Colin received another check check with the same signatures from the same trust account a month later for his monthly payment of thirty five thousand dollars and the check that Michael Cohen produced in last week's hearing with Donald Trump's signature was written six months into the Trump presidency and came from a different account. What appears to be a personal checking account of Donald J Trump the accounts us to pay these checks are an important element of this story, which we will explore in a moment with Michael Cohen's lawyer Lanny Davis, one of the least important matters that Michael Cohen testified to last week was Donald Trump's desperate concern to keep his academic records from high school and college hidden from public view. When I say, conman, I'm talking about a man who declares himself brilliant, but directed me to threaten his high school his colleges, and the college board to never release his grades or SAT scores as I mentioned, I'm giving the committee today copies of a letter I sent at Mr. Trump's direction threatening these schools civil and criminal actions, if Mr. Trump's grades or SAT scores wherever disclosed without his permission Fordham university has since confirmed that they were threatened to keep Donald Trump's college transcript hidden, the university of Pennsylvania where Donald Trump transferred after Fordham has made no public comment. And the Washington Post is reporting tonight that friends of Donald Trump tried to seize his high school records in twenty eleven right after Donald Trump said that he wanted President Obama to quote show. Show his records because Donald Trump believes that Barack Obama was quote a terrible student. The word is according to what I've read that. He was a terrible student when he went to Oxydental now. Maybe that's right, or maybe it's wrong. But I don't know why he doesn't release his records. It's against the law for schools to publicly release students transcripts but IB league schools like the university of Pennsylvania where Donald Trump graduated and Harvard were Barack Obama graduated from law school do make public records of the students who graduate with honors and then Ivy league schools most students actually graduate with honors not graduating with honors is unusual in Ivy league schools. There are three levels of honors. Of course, come laude, the lowest Magna cum laude and Sumiko Mladic the highest honors Donald Trump did not graduate with honors from the university of Pennsylvania that is public information and that puts him somewhere in the bottom half of his class, academically, even though the president wants claimed to have graduated as the number one student in his class. Barack Obama did graduate from Harvard Law School Magna cum laude last night at this hour. We had the breaking news report by the Wall Street Journal that Michael Cohen's lawyer. Discussed the possibility of a pardon with President Trump's lawyers the Wall Street Journal reported that Rudy Giuliani, quote left open the possibility that the president could grant Mr. Cohen one in the future. Here's what Michael Cohen said about a pardon last week. My testimony certainly does not diminish the pain that I have caused my family, and my friends nothing can do that. And I have never asked for nor would I accept a pardon from President Trump. And leading off artists gushing tonight is Lenny Davis and attorney for Michael Cohen Eleni devas. Thank you very much for joining us that it really appreciate it. I want to start with the pardon which we just introduced here. The Wall Street Journal reporting last night was not that Michael Cohen personally requested a pardon. But just that that his lawyers at some point discussed the possibility of a pardon with President Trump's lawyers and that Rudy Giuliani for one left open the possibility is that accurate reporting. Yes. The time period is what needs to be stressed. Michael Cohen lied for Donald Trump for ten years, and is going to prison in part because of allied of congress as well as the cover up scheme that Donald Trump is still paying for was paying for. We knew show those checks the statement that Michael made was after he made a decision, and I think I was part of that when he decided to repudiate and expense. His shame who is prior laws when he was certainly looking at the option of pardon when they were dangling that as a way of I think luring people to stay within the tent, and then when he decided on July second two thousand eighteen I will not lie anymore, and he asked me to help them till the truth. So that sentence which I helped write was about the time period after he decided as we decided to call it his turn to the truth. And at that point he said to me, I want you to publicly say, I wouldn't accept a pardon. If he begged me to take it. And I said are you sure? And he said, yes. And I went out publicly, and I said he would never accept deport. And that was the reference intended by that. But why wouldn't he accept a pardon? Who has not accepted a pardon? Well, I was doubtful. When he said it to me he was in a great stressful situation with a wife and two kids in looking at a prison. Sentence potentially. And he had lied for ten years in expressing shame to me. And I said are you willing to say that publicly and you have a deep hole, and you're a good man and a good father. But in order to win credibility, which I see from the polls, he has one you need to be willing to tell the truth and all truth and part of that is would you accept a pardon to get out of this fixture in from this man that you described as having done dirty deeds for ten years, and he said to me. Yes. And then he said I want you to say that publicly. Maybe people will believe me, and I did. And what is your reaction? Also to what we're seeing now as the expanding investigations, Michael Cohen speaks and the requests for documents fly it's hard to remember a congressional reaction like this to congressional testimony over eighty requests for documents from the White House from Trump businesses from other government entities, all almost all of them coming out of Michael Cohen's testimony, which is continuing as we know there's going to be more Michael Cohen testimony tomorrow morning. Is that what you expected a knowing you knew what advance? What Michael Collins testimony was going to be? Did you expect it to provoke this kind of follow up? I honestly did. But it's still more to come. Because we had a list of subjects that was basically Michael Collins confession of hidden. Facilitating these subjects or his memory of them and one of them, for example, you mentioned the grades. He threatened a major educational institutions with criminal sanctions if they released Donald Trump's grades on another occasion, Michael said to the American people and to every servicemen and every rural American who considers themselves to be patriots. Listen to this. If you voted for Donald Trump, he said to Michael Cohen, don't say anything if people ask for proof of my. Bone spur that allowed me to not go to Vietnam. And then he said, quote, you've gotta be stupid to go to Vietnam. And so Michael was forbidden to respond to report his questions about what turns out to be a fake out assertion by him that he had a bone bone spur to get out of serving at that point. Michael look into the television cameras and right at that moment, he said, Mr President isn't ironic, you said people have to be stupid to serve in Vietnam. We're now in Vietnam, of course in a failed negotiation with the North Korean leader. But that's the kind of thing that is going to encourage more investigations. He he lied to the secret service is suits me, the selective service on his draft deferments, and almost everything in his testimony. If you read it is a subject area that will be grounds for further investigation. I want to go to what one member of the committee, the called the smoking gun and. That was the check of that Cohen produced with the president's signature on it written in August. So that's about six months into the Trump presidency possibly signed on that desk in the Oval Office because according to Michael Conan's testimony, these checks had to be fed next. We heard him say it fed exed down to the White House. So that the president himself could sign them that was what the president told Michael Cohen in the Oval Office. According to Michael Cohen, I noticed Lanny that that the the one the president side is is not from a business account. It is not from a Trump company accounted simply has the name Donald J Trump on it that looks to me like a personal check that would be a very odd source for a business payment for if Michael Cohen is being retained by the business in a retainer agreement. It strikes me as odd that the Trump business is in paying for those legal services. Well, first of all, I am a lawyer. And I always try to use the word alleged to talking about crime is everybody's entitled to due process, including Donald Trump. But there is literally no way to dispute that he committed a crime, he not only wrote a personal check. But they invented a cover up story that it was a retainer. Check the word invented and fictional or bogus was not my opinion. It is a fact there was no retainer agreement. It was a scheme concocted by Michael by Donald Trump, and by Mr. Weisselberg as a way of avoiding tracing the payoff money, the hush money to stormy Daniels. The prosecutors and the US government said that in the information statement on Michael's plea of guilt. There is no doubt. That the word reimbursement was the reimbursement of Michael Cohen advancing hush money. And who said the word reimbursement at the. Donald Trump denied knowing anything about the stormy Daniels payment at all Woody Giuliani on television called it a reimbursement to Michael cone. So there are no facts in dispute that the president United States as president committed a felony. Literally. There's no way to dispute that statement. And I say that with the caution that alleged is a word you should always try to use when you're accusing somebody of a crime. I can't find the ability to use the word alleged because everything I just said, you Lawrence is an undisputed or undisputable fact that shows a felony conspiracy to pay hush money and to cover it up. Well, two of the checks that we've seen so far. Apparently, they're going to be more available for public inspection, but signed by Ellen Weisselberg and Trump junior and those were taken from the trust account. And that is as I understand it the account that we're set up that Donald Trump is not supposed to touch. It's supposed to be the separation of the. Businesses from the Trump presidency, but Allen Weisselberg presumably has testified or been questioned by the FBI about this in New York City since there that's the office that has been prosecuted the Michael Cohen case and Alan Weisselberg. Do you know if he has taken the position that there was indeed a retainer agreement for Michael Cohen's legal services that this was payment for that had nothing to do with stormy Daniels. Well, that was the cover story, I know because Mr. Weisselberg, and Michael and Mr. Trump together decided that Michael needed to do it to avoid it being traced because two or three days before an election that turned out to be very close and one by Mr. Trump, they did not want after access Hollywood. They did not want the story about inadequate film star being subject to a hush money payment. So Mr. Weisselberg said, well, I can't afford it. And why don't you do it from your? Line of credit, Michael. But we don't want to chase the ball to the Trump organization now to answer your question Lawrence. Mr. Weisberg was given limited immunity by the federal prosecutors in the southern district for the testimony about this hush money scheme, Michael had to plead guilty, Mr. Weisselberg was given immunity, but it was limited immunity, and I don't know the answer to whether he told the prosecutors about this scheme and told the truth that there was never a retainer. This was a cover up. But now the question is his signing that check as implementing this hush money illegal scheme is a crime. And the question is did he tell federal prosecutors about the signing of these checks at the time. He was granted limited immunity that's something between him and his lawyer. But I'm sure there's a concern about that. And let it we all saw on television that there wasn't a single Republican who went anywhere near the smoking gun. They would not touch the smoking gun of the check signed by Donald Trump and the other check signed by Alan Weisselberg. And I know there has been testimony behind closed doors. I can you tell us if any Republicans have at any point challenged or questioned Michael Cohen at any point about these checks. No. And I sat there. Not necessarily surprised that the Republicans on the house oversight committee, many of them people that I respect and decent people decent friends decent. Parents decent human beings. Never once mentioned Donald Trump throughout the entire hearing say pounded away at what Michael had already admitted to in. Shame that he had lied for ten years for Donald Trump that he had lied to congress, and he was going to prison paying the price. Now. One member of the house oversight committee on the Republican side had the decency to at least give him credit for taking the responsibility and paying the price. And never once asked about those checks about the president of their party that I'm sure they genuinely believe in. So it's a remarkable hypocrisy that I wish I could have seen more from good people who are. Publican's supporting Donald Trump Lenny. I have a quick question unrelated to this that goes back to the impeachment of Bill Clinton. That's when you became one of the most prominent lawyers in America in your defense of President Clinton. And that's when the country met Lindsey Graham for the first time, he was a member of the House Judiciary committee who was a prosecutor of the case against Bill Clinton in the Senate impeachment trial and today, I'm not sure you're aware of this Lindsey Graham had a meeting with the president. And which he told the president to follow the Bill Clinton model in handling himself in the presidency while under investigation and just do the business of the president and stay away from the investigation and he said to the president according to. Lindsey Graham himself that Bill Clinton is a good model for the president to follow. Did you ever think you would live to see the day where Bill Clinton impeachment prosecutor Lindsey Graham would be telling a Republican president to follow the model of Bill Clinton went under investigation. Let me think about this. No, I got to know Enzi Graham after debating many times on television, and his friendship is Senator McCain and a good friend of mine. Joe Lieberman is another way I got to know him. And all I can say about Senator Graham is as much about him. I like, but the disappointment is that in honor of John McCain. He is supporting president who disparaged John McCain as not being a hero because he got captured as missing in action. And as as a prisoner of war fuse me. And so I just find a great disappointment. And Lindsey Graham. Even though we still have a friendship. I'm just utterly baffled that he would after all that he said about Donald Trump during his presidential campaign, and his close friendship with John McCain that he would still be that supportive of President Trump. Well, I'm going to have much more to say about what Lindsey Graham said today at the end of the show tonight. Lenny davis. Thank you very much for having me lines really for the time. Thank you. Thank you. Well, one of the members of the house intelligence committee who will question Michael Cohen again tomorrow will join us next and new reports tonight that President Trump also pressured government officials to give his daughter Ivanka Trump access to national secrets in spite of concerns from intelligence officials. Former CIA director John Brennan will join us and at the end of this hour, as I said, we will show you how no one has humiliated Senator Lindsey Graham more than Lindsey Graham has humiliated Lindsey Graham including today. There's apparently a big difference between what Michael Cohen can say in public testimony, and what he can say in closed door testimony one of the most important answers. If not the most important answer that Michael Cohen gave in his public testimony last week was this. Is there any other wrongdoing or illegal act that you are aware of regarding Donald Trump that we haven't yet discussed today? Yes. And again, those are part of the investigation. That's currently being looked at by the southern district of New York journey artists cussin'. Now, the Carson who asked that question congressman Raja Krishnamurti who will also be in the closed door hearing with Michael Cohen tomorrow in the house intelligence committee and Eugene Robinson who has watched more congressional investigations from the press gallery than any of us is with us. He is a Pulitzer prize winning columnist and associate associate editor for the Washington Post. He's also an MSNBC political analyst. And Carson I want to ask you about what what the difference is. If you can tell us between the public testimony and the issues that Michael Cohen can get into and the private testimony and have you learned more in the closed door testimony than you did in the public testimony. Thanks for having me on. Lawrence. Yes. You do. Learn a little more in a closed setting because you can get into a lot more detail. You can even talk about classified information. This is down in the skiff or the underground bunker beneath the capital, and there are no cameras. And I think that the fact that there are no cameras means that there aren't the same. Theatrics that you saw for instance, with the Republicans in the oversight hearing. So you do get to learn a little more and the discussion is or the QNA's a little more sober. And gene, it seems that the public is in support of what the House Democrats are doing. We have poll tonight asking the question should congress do more to investigate Michael cones claims about Donald Trump's behavior. Yes. Fifty eight percent of that is pretty solid support. Gene, you know, pretty solid support. All that polling was fascinating about how people view, upper, Trump's truthfulness. Versus Michael Cohen's. And and it's fascinating that people think congress ought to ought to do its job. I mean, this is Congress's job. And we shouldn't forget that that that it's not just an option for congress to investigate possible potential criminal wrongdoing by the president congress has a responsibility to do that. And and can't and shouldn't and must not just sort of sit back and let it pass as was done in the past two years. So Republicans wouldn't mention the name of President Trump that oversight hearing. But Democrats will I hope Republicans ultimately will too because these investigations have to be done. A congressman. Why did you ask Michael Cohen that question about any other possible illegal acts? Did you have reason to believe that there are more? In part. Yes. But I was also trying to close out the questioning and just make sure that we weren't leaving anything on the table that there wasn't something that we forgot to ask him about that. He wanted to talk about in this particular case, he said that he could not talk about it. Because the southern district of New York was examining it. I would just point out the previous question, I asked was perhaps related to this. He he said that his last communication with the Trump administration or President Trump himself was two months after the raid. But he couldn't go into that either. Because it was under investigation by the southern district of New York, and Jean New York Times is out tonight with more on these checks that have been that were written by Donald Trump to pay reimbursed. Michael Cohen, according to Michael Cohen, and it's a fascinating collection now of these checks because they change accounts. We see. See in the times reporting what we already knew that that the were some checks written by Alan Weisselberg and Donald Trump junior. But we saw we saw just that one in the hearing that was written in August signed by Donald Trump. Now, we're seeing that starting in may according to the Czechs reproduced in the New York Times tonight, all of the checks came from Donald Trump's what appears to be his personal checking out. There's no indication of any business on that particular check and signed by Donald Trump starting in may of the rest of the checks that are revealed by the New York Times tonight are from that Donald J Trump account signed by Donald Trump going right through November into December. And gene for some reason. They changed accounts where that money was coming from switched it out of a Trump business account and moved it into what appears to be a Donald Trump personal. Count. And that may be because Alan Weisselberg started to get very nervous about what this was it could be maybe that's the reason because just stepping back from it. You would it looks as if they they just abandoned the cover story, right? If it was coming out of the trust account that that was consistent at least with the false cover story that this was sort of retainer agreement if it's going to be just Donald Trump writing a personal check to Michael Cohen, it it can't be a business. Attorney relationship retainer. It's just Trump reimbursing him for the money that he held after stormy, Dan. I mean, it's it's so the only thing that makes sense since it's unlikely I think that Donald Trump junior would get nervous. And with would say, wait a minute. I did perhaps it is also Burke said hold on a minute this. This isn't right. We'll we'll just have to see I suspect. The southern district of your of New York has an opinion on this Carson. We didn't hear any questions about that about in the hearing why they switched accounts. But now that we've seen so many more of these checks as of tonight with the New York Times reporting is that something you expect a follow up on in the committee, and do you expect to hear in the committee from Alan Weisselberg about why the accounts changed in in making these payments, quite possibly? Yes. I think that following the hearing chairman Cummings was asked who are the next witnesses that he would wanna see before the committee, and he just simply said follow the transcript. As you know, Mr. Weisselberg appeared in the transcript multiple times. Can I just point out one thing, and perhaps you alluded to this earlier? But not once not once did the Republicans questioned the veracity of those checks, they didn't question the signature on those checks or the fact that it came from Donald Trump's Bank account in some of the checks and from other Bank accounts and the others. In fact, they didn't impugn or attack the credibility of any of those checks. And so in my humble opinion that was a tacit admission of that evidence, and Jean the only mumblings that we've heard from any Republican about the check is actually Lindsey Graham, offering his own opinion that it's unusual to pay for crimes with checks. That's the best of the Republicans. It's kind of lame. And it's and it's a really dumb. But that none of those educators rules out this having been a check used to pay for crime. We're gonna have to take a break their Carson, Rajar Chretien and more thE, and you gene Robinson. Thank you. Both very much for joining our discussion tonight. And when we come back new reports that President Trump also pressured a White House staff to authorize a security clearance for Ivanka Trump. He was resisted in that according to the new reports and he just ordered the security clearance himself. Former director of the CIA John Brennan will be our next guest. And at the end of the hour. More on Lindsey Graham more about how Lindsey Graham humiliates Lindsey Graham, including what he had to say today. Today. The White House refused to hand over any documents to congress about how Donald Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner received his security clearance after New York Times reported this week that Donald Trump ordered a top secret clearance for Jared Kushner, despite objections from intelligence officials and White House chief of staff John Kelly tonight CNN is reporting that the president's daughter Ivanka was also denied a security clearance through the normal process. According to that report, Trump pushed Kelly, Ann Mcgann to make the decision on his daughter and son-in-law's clearances. So it did not appear as if he was tainting the process to favor his family sources told CNN after both refused. Trump granted them their security clearances. Here's what Evonne Trump said last month about her security clearance and her husband Jared Kushner's security clearance. There were anonymous leaks about there being issues, but the president had no involvement pretending to my clearance or my husband's clearance. After this break, we're going to hear from someone who knows more about security clearances than anyone we could possibly be discussing this with tonight. Former CIA director John Brennan will join us next. In a letter to the chairman of the house oversight committee logic coming tonight, refusing to turn over any documents related to Jared Kushner, vodka Trump security clearances, the White House counsel wrote the committee has failed to point to any authority establishing a legitimate legislative purpose for the committee's unprecedented. An extraordinary intrusive demands, including the demand to examine the entire investigative files of numerous individuals from the president has chosen as advisors as I have explained in multiple previous letters in his clearly established as a matter of law that the decision to grant or deny security clearances discretionary function that belongs exclusively to the executive branch. Joining us now John Brennan, former CIA director, he is now a senior national security and intelligence analyst for MSNBC and NBC news. What is at stake in this security clearance controversy between the house and the White House will I think the integrity of the system this acuity clearance process is at stake. If the report so true. It sounds the Donald Trump overrule the determination that was made by the Intel community that neither have Trump nor Jared Kushner should receive a security clearance. It is unheard of that a president United States would intervene in that process. When you say unheard of in your decades of government service, you're saying you personally have never heard of a president doing this. I've never even heard of president talking about security clearance of an individual much less overruling the determination that was made. So this is something that is unprecedented. And the fact that he did that Donald Trump. I think the congress has legitimate concerns about how he is. In fact, exercising a legal authority, but doing it in a manner that really undermines again, the integrity and the purpose of security clearances. What are the reasons that security clearances for someone like, Jared, Kushner or vodka Trump would be held up? What would be the kind of object? That would be raised. It could be any number of things, and I don't know the facts here, but the could be some unresolved issues about foreign entanglements physically financial, entanglements or episodes where an individual was not deemed to be trustworthy with information or relationships formulation ships that were not revealed in the security clearance process. In terms of interviews. It's not surprising, given the nature of their financial and business relationships that are ongoing, in fact that they were denied, quite frankly, I don't believe that Donald Trump would have except for getting more electoral votes than Hillary Clinton would have been approved for a security clearance, given those foreign entanglements and cavalier treatment of classified information. So what are the kinds of things that hold up a security clearance at this level? How nitpicky is it? Can it be something like, you know, we think he didn't tell us the exact truth about the last time he smoked marijuana in college? Or is it does it have to rise to a certain level? Title to be a problem. I think especially for somebody who's going to be in the White House as at the level of assistant to the president. You want to make sure that you do everything possible to try to resolve any outstanding issues, but something like that, you know, in terms of not acknowledging, you know, smoking marijuana something is not going to hold up that clearance. It would have to be something substantial and something that the CIA the investigators really were concerned about because it could potentially compromise an individual either because a foreign person or entity might try to use that relationship. Inappropriately or that the person who is being granted this group there. And so we're being on a consideration might in fact, be mindful of those personal interests that they might pursue contrary to US national security. So the investigators take their jobs, very very seriously. I have worked closely with them over the years, and they will do everything possible to get to the bottom of an issue. And if they deny it if they outright deny it as opposed to continue to try to resolve the issue. It must be something substantial and significant based on what you've seen of Michael cones public testimony knowing that he's going into the house intelligence committee again tomorrow for yet another closed door session. Did you in listening to microphones public testimony? Did you hear of things that you would want to be explored in the private hearings with the intelligence committee? We'll absolutely and as the congressman just said in the private meetings without the glare of the cameras. There is much more substantive discussion than there's not that the metrics that takes place in the open. Hearings. And so there are a lot of retentive Leising bits of discussion that came up in the open area tantalised, a former CIA director of the mall. I think they're probably thinks that couldn't be discussed even in the closed hearing, which is these are matters under investigation by the southern district of New York. Clearly, there's other investigative threads being pulled out of concern that there was criminal activity taking place. And so I want to hear more from my Cohen about some of his personal interactions with Donald Trump during the campaign and even subsequent to the election. And find out exactly what was the nature of those discussions. But again, I think the special counsels team has counseled Michael Cohen not to get involved in issues that are still a very much matter of criminal investigation. Are you one who's willing to at this digital game venture, a guess about where Robert Muller isn't his process, and how close he is to filing report and beyond that what you would expect from such a report. Well, I think Robert Muller wants to be able to conclude his. Work and turn over the investigative throws to the southern New York eastern, Virginia and other jurisdictions as appropriate. As we're coming up to two years. So I think he does want to conclude that I wouldn't be surprised if for example this week on Friday, not knowing anything about it. But Friday is the day that the grand jury indictments come down. And also this Friday is better than next Friday. Because next Friday is the fifteenth of March, which is the ides of March. And I don't think Robert Muller will want to have that dramatic flair of the ides of March when he is going to be delivering what I think we're going to be his indictments the final indictments as well as the report that he gives the attraction what makes you believe that he has more indictments because he hasn't addressed the issues related to criminal conspiracy as well as any individuals conspiracy involving the Russian Russia's. Yes. Yeah. I think it was very arrogant person US person scenario, you know, something about that. That investigation was developing while you were still on the job. Well, it was in terms of looking at what was going on with the Russians and whether or not US persons were actively collaborating colluding cooperating involved in a conspiracy with them or not. But also if there's going to be any member use at that stage to believe that there would now that would result in indictments once investigated. I thought at the time that there was going to be individuals who were going to have issues with the department of Justice. Yes. And I think we've already seen a number of individuals who have been indicted either have pled guilty or have been convicted now. So again, I don't have any inside knowledge. I'm not talking with anybody inspection. Do you have the incident not about the status of the nation right now? But I do think also if anybody from the Trump family extended family is going to be indicted, it would be in the final act of mos- investigation because Bob Muller, and I think his team knows that if he were to do something indicting a Trump family member or if he were to go for within. On criminal conspiracy involving US persons that would basically be the death knell of the special counsel's office because I don't believe that Donald Trump would allow a Bob Muller to continue in the aftermath of those types of actions. John Brennan, thank you very much have to listen to every word in the John. Brennan answer. Thank you very much for journalist that really appreciate it. And coming up the humiliation of Lindsey Graham by Lindsey Graham continues. Republican Senator Lindsey Graham tried to warn voters about what he called the world's biggest jackass just stop being a jackass. You don't have to run for president and be the world's biggest jackass that was twenty fifteen and he was talking, of course, about Donald Trump, Lindsey Graham is a changed, man. He now worships at the altar of Donald Trump more fervently than most Republican senators and to do that Lindsey Graham had to change in more ways than one and publicly humiliated himself, which he has done repeatedly for Donald Trump after this break, we will show you Lindsey grams latest humiliation of Lindsey Graham. Remember when Lindsey Graham couldn't stop saying jackass, it was wound. Donald Trump was running for president. You know, run for president. But don't be the world's biggest jackass. What's the reaction? You're getting to calling him jackass now repeatedly a lot of people in fin jackasses or offended. So all locked Lockton say is that it I've had it come on head. Lindsey Graham was telling the truth about the jackass thing. But he wasn't telling the truth when he said, I've had it. In fact, Lindsey Graham was ready to take a lot more from the jackass. It turns out the jackass phase was just something Lindsey Graham had to go through on his way to worshiping Donald Trump and humiliating himself in the process because before Lindsey Graham became a Trump worshiper he said things like this. He's a race baiting Zena phobic religious big. He doesn't represent my party doesn't represent the values that the men and women who wear the uniform funding for he's an opportunist. He's not fit to be president United States. Now don't think s the temperament of judgment to be commander and chief. I think he's a Kook. I think he's crazy. I think he's unfit for office. And here's what Lindsey Graham had to say about Donald Trump tonight. I'm all in to the extent that can help this president. I will so Lindsey Graham effortle- goes from I've had it with Donald Trump to I'm all in with Donald Trump Lindsey Graham goes from he's a race baiting xenophobic religious big at not fit to be president of the United States. I think he's a Kook I think he's crazy too. I'm all in. So who's the world's biggest jackass now today Lindsey Graham met with the president who he said is crazy and not fit to be president of the United States. And according to Lindsey Graham, he gave the president some advice about how to handle the now multiple investigations into the presence activities. A Bloomberg report says Graham said he told Trump to quote, listen to his lawyers fightback appropriately. But just keep your head down and keep doing your job challenge them to fix problems. President Clinton was a pretty good model Clinton kept his focus on being present. So now Clinton was a pretty good model when he was under investigation. It turns out if your patient Lindsey Graham will refuse. Just about everything Lindsey Graham has ever said as a member of the House Judiciary committee at the time Lindsey Graham served as one of the prosecutors in these Senate impeachment trial of President Bill Clinton. This is what he said the standard should be for removing a president from office. So the point I'm trying to make is you don't even have to be convicted of a crime to lose your job and this constitutional Republic at this body determines that your conduct as a public official is clearly out of bounds in your role. Thank god. You did that. Because impeachment is not about punishment. Impeachment is about cleansing the office impeachment is about restoring honor in integrity to the office. Unfortunately, for Lindsey Graham there is no Senate process for restoring the auditor, honor and integrity of Lindsey Graham. That's tonight's last word. Hi, it's Katy Tur want to keep up with MSNBC while you're on the go subscribe to the MSN be daily newsletter. 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Ep. 925 Troubling New Revelations About this Miscarriage of Justice
"Get ready to hear the truth about America on a show. That's not immune to the facts with your host. Dan Bongino, by one of the Dan Bongino show producer, Joe, how are you tonight? I know everybody's like this is like mandatory in the audio and TV business and everybody into even shot did it yesterday right on Sean show. So listen, I before we start I always say producer, Joe how are you today because you're my guy, but with me forever, but we have it on samba cast again today. Yes, we do. We have a Sulu over there. Blair. We have Spock in Linda, we actually I don't watch Star Trek. So I can't even name another crow McCoy in Ethan. Who's another? I don't even have another Jason Jason. You're just going to be Jason. So your crew ever Jason onto starship enterprise. We got a whole team of people at ice station Hannity here at Vietnam helping us out so thanks to them. Seriously. Guys are great. And ladies, Linda, I really appreciate it being one of the guys. I know you never mind, and we got great feedback on your initial appearance on his show the show did bonkers numbers. So we appreciate that. But thanks a lot. I was just making kind of a joke about how I'm overseas, and my wife, she's gonna kill me. Of course, my wife who I loved dearly. But she texted me about my fish who may be dying slow death at home. She's like, hey, do you have to feed this thing? What's I was like? Oh, yeah. Yeah. You do. It is not at battery operated. You gotta throw that sucker five pellets day. So don't what folks listen, we love that these fine. I'm kidding, my wife fed the fish 'cause I know I'll get but the fish is fine. But yes, it did bother me a little bit. The question. Do you have to feed this? It is not an. Nine volt. Fish that suckered needs actual pellets every day to get going. So he's doing good though. Ladies and gentlemen, he's doing good. Let me just put that out there. All right. So yesterday was a pretty crazy day in in Vietnam and keep keeping mind I'm losing track because we're twelve hours ahead of you. So when I say yesterday, I may I don't even know if I mean yesterday eastern time or yes, even Linda hasn't slept ipod nano studio at Linda's is an I said and she got mad at me. And I know you think 'cause I know you I popped the not is are like sunk in like she hasn't slept in four days. And I said man, you look like Philip place. And she's like, ooh, you walk in the room you in the room five minutes. And you look at me and go man you look like s and I'm like really learning. I probably not the best way to have. But she look I do he what your is your answer. I don't mean like ugly be by talking tonight. Just like not not good. I'm like, thank you. I get it. The the subtle auto diplomacy is not my. Thing. Different. Yeah. It's tough to sleep over here. Because it is the exact opposite of what I'm saying. I've been texted Joe and all kinds of crazy hours through so. Yeah. All right. I have to pay for the show. That's important. Joe nobody on the planet built like you. Good. Thank you. Why would you have messing with? Why would you would you know, Josie shape? Why would you buy generic mattress built for everyone else? You know? Everybody loves you. So people don't stop. We love Joe shows. The best helixsleep built a sleep quiz that takes minutes to complete. That's it. I have a helixsleep matches I told you the story it's Amelia's room, my daughter, my wife reads her book at night and a mattress is so comfortable that sometimes she totally racks out and doesn't even bother coming in which I ever a king. So sometimes I get that thing to myself like sleeping on a spaceship. Yourself to helixsleep has a sleep quiz, two minutes to complete and they use the answers to match your body type and sleep references to the perfect mattress. 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So story number one. Michael cohen. There's you know, the Democrats are just what what side or are these these lunatics on? So you have the president United States. He is on the ground here in in Vietnam and Hanoi having this summit with the North Koreans over a obviously, I think it's. You know, it's taught a logical just to say a very serious grave matter the threat of nuclear weapons and a potential attack on the United States if they've developed the technology to do so, and what are the Democrats decide to do they decide this is the opportune time to hold a hearing with President Trump's former lawyer Michael Cohen for one purpose and one purpose only to humiliate in embarrassed President Trump, it make them look silly on foreign soil. Now, folks, this is pretty disgusting, but I can rant all day about this. But again, I don't want to waste your time. But there was an old expression that politics ends at the water's edge. Meaning when the president was overseas, we were all United in purpose. Mom that ended of course, with, you know, the the Dixie chicks going overseas and waste of love, by the way, Natalie. I used to love the Dixie chicks their first album was awesome. I probably just lost my man card there. But that's fine. Because I thought Natalie Maynes was was the cat's meow band that they were great and she goes overseas, and I was. A huge George W Bush fan, but she trashes them in a foreign concert. And it seemed like all the I don't know if that's just open Pandora's box. But it was all over after that. Now that you're holding congressional hearings to humiliate President Trump while he's meeting with a nuclear power of that's threatened to annihilate us where they have the capability or not, of course, it's questionable. But there's no the gravity of the situation is not in question is just disgusting. And it speaks to the question. What side of the Democrats really on? Anyway, if I'm a democrat now, I'm sorry. But I'm embarrassed my party's just really gross. It's just disgusting what they're doing. But ramp aside there's something going on in. This is a key. Takeaway a lot of people are missing here. The Coen testimony is going to be two segments. It's actually going to be three. But for our purposes going to be two separate boxes of testimony. The first box of testimony is going to be behind closed doors, and it's very very kind of sneaky what they're doing. I like to uncover this stuff the stuff they're putting behind closed doors with Cohen is the stuff. We were told was this was was going to take down the Kalou. This is it we got him. We got his lawyer the collusion stuff. He's colluding with the Russians. Now, Joe why is that behind closed doors, while the open testimony the second box testimony second tranche if things he's going to say have nothing to do with collusion. All they're going to be about his personal business. That's all going to be open for the public to see to openly humiliate the president where I'm sure Coen's going to go on about. And I don't trust this guy as far as I can throw them about payoffs, and you know, what he thinks her suspicious business dealings or whatever. I don't trust as far as I could Chuck this guy, and it ain't far, but that doesn't make any. Sense joke. Stopped me above you, the audience on budget. I'm with big scandal. Here is that Donald Trump colluded with the Russians to steal the election. Why is that stuff? The stuff that's behind closed doors, while the humiliating personal details are the stuff they're going to broadcast out to the public. Probably all overseeing ended MSNBC will the answers very simple because the behind closed doors stuff as Byron York says an excellent Washington Examiner piece. It's in my show notes dot com. Subscribe the Email this launch right to you. The stuff Cohen has to say could potentially be scope attourney for Donald Trump on the Russia stuff. So just to be crystal clear on this. Yes. Yeah. And I'm gonna explain why. Because I'm not gonna leave you hanging here, folks. Remember that old joke? How do you? Keep an idiot suspense. I don't know. How like that's the joke. I won't leave you hanging. This colwin the whole purpose. Follow me, you the whole purpose for this entire special counsel investigation. How it came to arresting Cohen of vis-a-vis the special counsel. And then southern district of New York was this whole assertion that Trump colluded with the Russians that whole idea that he colluded with the Russias to steal the election was based on a dossier of which Michael Cohen is a central figure in player in that dossier. He is mentioned twenty four times two dozen times in the dossier. So I hope you're picking up when I'm putting down here reason Elijah Cummings, and these other guys are putting that stuff behind closed doors is because if Michael Cohen goes under oath, again, it a closed door testimony and entirely the the dossier cramps all over the dossier and says this thing is complete garbage. Do you want to stand? He will have completely exonerated Trump and made the entire committee. Look silly. Now, there's one key tentatives your regular center show. You probably know where I'm going with this already. Although Coen's mentioned twenty four times in the dossier. He is a key figure in this one mentioned where he allegedly goes over to Prague coordinates with a Russian connected official. You remember this? He coordinates and gives cash payments to this Russian official to get this this distraught of Hillary emails that have been hacked. Now, if that happened that would be a very serious potential crime. If what's the problem, folks, Coen's never been abroad. He's never been to. He has denied this repeatedly. Lanny Cohen who've Linda you've had on the Davis. I always say letting Lanny Davis never let a good crisis. Correct. Yes. Light of fat on the Hattie show with it. Now, let me ask you is let Davis a Republican. How Lenny Davis's the Clinton Easter on steroids? Lanny Davis Coen's lawyer, folks, he has repeatedly debunked this too. He Lanny Davis has zero interest less than zero interest right in promoting. Donald Trump is being innocent of any of this. He has already come out and said the central component to the dossier the whole basis for the prosecution of Trump for collusion is fake. Cohen has never been to Prague to set this thing up with emails or sold. Now. Do you see my point show? The reason they have him behind closed doors on the Russia's stuff is because it's scope Warri, and that they want to put out the nonsense tabloid National Enquirer stuff to embarrass Trump while he's negotiating with Kim Jong UN for a potential denuclearization deal on this peninsula. There's a way to fix this. But we have to call a guy named Vinny. What the hell is not where did you find? That is that when we go back to the conversation about I got a guy. He's Joe is always got it. He's got a guy. Joe Joe always does have a guy Joe is like the guy who has got. She do. That's good. I like that. All right. So enough on that. But folks, by the way, we are live streaming this on my Twitter, at dbongino, we're going to do a snippet of the show. So is the first time we've done this from ice station Hannity here in Hanoi. So you if you're on my Twitter at the bungee, and you can check it out actually live. So we've never done that before. So we got Blair here. Rocket with the technology stuff. I can turn on my iphone. Yes is the first time we've talked. For the first time. We all right. So they're gonna take away from that story is that the Democrats what side of they on when there's an opportunity to exonerate our president on false charges and have Cohen come clean on the prog thing they hide behind closed doors, and when they wanted to embarrass them in front of an international audience to talk about tabloid stuff. They got we'll put that stuff out in the open total complete frauds? All right. Let me get to this. Because I want to get rock and roll in some really important. So we add a point here to enter Jack. Now, of course, we were talking about this before, you know, the the American people voted for Donald Trump because of what they thought he could do because of his business skills. It absolutely nothing to do with anything else. They don't care who he sleeps with. They don't care what he did before he ever even thought about running for president. They don't care. You know, Linda, I I've said this before Joe Joe, what do we call this? Battlefield morality, right? Yeah. Yeah. We, you know, this from have it, and how long you been in this business. Linda fifteen years now, Joe you've been how long you been conservative radio. Little any years or so little over thirty. Yeah. You you've been around. Yeah. I don't wanna age anybody human. Also, this is so there's a lot of there's a lot of there's a lot of experience here. I asked you that for a reason you've lived through and you were on the air. Both of you Joe for few more for Republican presidents. I'm not knocking George W was a good, man. But I was not a big George W fan. Now. There was I know shrine the morally kind of upstanding, let's vote on this, and I'm not knocking trumpets. And I'm a Senator to I'm not getting I don't do these kind of moral judgments rent, but the point is we've tried this stuff. Like, let's vote for like, the the suave nice guy. Whatever may be. And you know what? Now, let's just be honest. We wanted nutcracker. We just do. I don't even the flow the bottom line is. You know, the nice guy is probably doing whatever he's doing behind closed doors to and you know, what I don't want to know about it. And I don't care how you don't know how to balance your checkbook, if you don't know how to make negotiations with world leaders. It really doesn't matter to me what you're doing with your dinky. Do it's none of my business joke here. Have you ever heard thinki- do? Yeah. From laffin. I believe. Yes. A long time ago. No, joe. And I call it battlefield morality how we have tried this before where we voted for the nice guy or the the polish guy or the eloquent guy. And what we got was crap we got continued funding Planned Parenthood, which by the way, Trump this week hit again trying to take funding away from Planned Parenthood. We've tried this before we're in a battlefield morality situation right now. And what I mean by that is when you're in the trenches with a guy and you're sitting next to him. Whereas if you were say in basic training, and the guy was, you know, texting his girlfriend while he's married. You may be like, dude, you know, let's do this is not cool, and it's still not. But when you're in a battlefield that a trenches. And you know, there's an opposing army headed your way. You're not like, hey, bro. That tweet you said you're like start shooting. Brewed and this we need someone with Trump to start fighting. And he's one of the first guys we've seen since possibly Reagan. Who was like, no. I just don't care what you say full. Steam ahead. Damn the. Torpedoes full Shree med full. Steam ahead. I agree with you. I I don't care about any of that bar. Example is Mitt Romney. Nobody voted for Mitt Romney. And then what happens we support them? And now we back doors. I mean that guy I know. But honestly, it's like there's the clean cut guy. My wife, I'm married for thirty years. Yeah. Nobody voted for any law. He got nobody cares. They just wanted to let you do business. Our show. But I remember a note do coffee delayed, effective mittens. I apologize. You didn't get that. I did it. So freaking though. But you've never heard that I have. But I don't know that whole moment right there. All right. Today's show brought to you. But he's a policy genius yesterday. Linda play. What are we talking about health insurance policy genius getting life insurance can feel like assemblies, assembling the world's worst, jigsaw puzzle? Is that through those it's confusing. It takes forever when you finally done. It doesn't even look cool. 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So I have this piece headline lead. I there's always the fix was in for Clinton. Now, you baby's, okay. Great, dan. That's it's not. But now we have the deeds on how this actually went down so Carlson gets his mitts on some testing. Tony from Tricia Anderson and Lisa page to higher up FBI lawyers about how the DOJ shut this thing down. And he throws a wrinkle in detail in this thing that it's just fascinating about how far they want to squash any investigations the Clinton, but. They were so stupid. They kinda miss something. Now. Wait before I tell you the story. Yeah. We're doing Hannity's radio show to develop me bar their studio. So where do where do like like he's bar in mind, you how did he stuff off the other way around? So I hang around afterwards. You guys are buddies either. She was funny. It was we had a good time. You say they bought like food cart. And it was great. It was like I have also put some pictures on my Instagram if you guys want to check it out, but we're all sitting here talking and who's I talking to Kristen or Tom or somebody and the and Dan Hoffman who is here. And we were talking about how I heard this line was by father Bob Sirri, co I use often who spoke at the act in his studios listen on C span one day. And he said, it's not the government is too big. It's like government is too stupid. And he's right. When I tell you this Rickel about what the FBI this. You're gonna be like is this for real? So let me get right to. So the FBI when they applied for search warrants to access Hillary Clinton's computers and computer devices and the devices of our staff for the emails, she ran over a personal server. You tracking? Yeah. They had to get a search warrant. To get those emails. Not no big surprise there. They use the very specific charge which was eighteen US siege stands for United States code. That's the criminal code eighteen USC seven Ninety-three f so follow me here, folks. This is going to be a little complicate. But his promise you it's worth your time. When they applied for a search warrant, they went to a judge and said, we need to access these emails based on a potential violation of eighteen USC seven ninety three. That charge is basically the trafficking insensitive information and f is the gross negligence statute. In other words, Joe the subsection of the crime, which indicates that whether you did it intentionally or not, right? If your behavior was quote, grossly negligent, you're guilty. Now. That's they laid it out in front of a judge. This is the crime, we think was committed. Therefore, we need a search one now, ladies and gentlemen, don't have to be a lawyer to figure out that if you want to get a search warrant you have to lay out in a search warrant some very specific things when I was. When I was a federal agent, you have to lay out where the property is going to be you had to describe it. Let's say I was searching home if say, it's a White House or the white picket fence with three windows in the front door. It looks like this, and it has a roofer you have to lay out a very specific locate you can't just do what you there's no open. Search warn dissolve. I want to search more for Joel. Because for what I don't know something that's not the way our system works. They were very specific about not only the place. They wanted to search the computers and he described them. They were also very specific which you have to be about what crime you can't just say I want to search one why I don't know because Joe got a bad haircut this week. So I want to search for scissors at his house. You don't roll that way? That's not. No, you're not getting you lay out a crime. So they lay out even the subsection. They think Hillary Clinton's team traffic insensitive information, and they were grossly negligent. Now, what's fascinating about this whole thing is these idiots must forgot. Forgot what they put the search warrant because the DOJ Jeff Carlson says in the epoch times piece in my show notes today Bongino that contract about Carlson gets his mitts on his testimony. Where this congressman starts asking Bill price. Step who is keep in mind. You price dip is you've heard his name often you. Yep. He is this higher up. I think it's precept precept precept. I always say price steps I was pronounced everybody's here. But right. It's a it's a very very under disgust person. And he's like he's Lynch pin a whole thing because he's running the whole he strokes boss, and he's responding directly to anti McCabe. So price priest. See I'll say it wrong thousand three. Pre step is in front of a congressional committee under oath these asked by this congressman about a short folks that Carlson gets his mitts on and at the had in the in the on the capital of you're hearing from the DOJ that sent over to the FBI, and this chart specifically excludes excludes charges, they can use the charge Hillary Clinton and one of the excluded charges. A little words do not do this is the gross negligence statute. Oh, oh, isn't that cute? So they can search warrant approved by the department of Justice approved by a court. Approved by judge. Every search want us to go in front of a judge has to be read and sworn to we believe there's probable cause this crime seven Ninety-three f gross negligence was committed yet. Once the OJ gets wind of it. Loretta Lynch, THEO chase sends a chart over that's specifically leaves out gross negligence. So this congressman pulls this chart up this guy Brighton back. Two pre step, and he starts asking about it. Let me read you what Carlson get his mitts on. You. We see in this chart that the DOJ is not willing to charge this meeting eighteen seven Ninety-three f hey, my questions going back to those draft affidavit. He's talking about the search warrant if DOJ is not willing to charge statute, why would the FBI in an affidavit used the same statute as a Predication to obtain a search warrant if the statute was never going to be prosecuted? That's a lot of lawyer talk for what the hell were you charging him with you weren't going to charge him with it? So free step obviously precept caught off guard. Again, the I think pre step is singing. I think that's why he's been left out of the criminal prosecutions. I'm reasonably confident that he's the one let's say. Telling tales, and I think that's why he's been left out of a lot of things so precept response. So so he's like this. This is like stuttering through this. He's a so so I don't know who put this together and use this language. So the congressman responds well, someone in the FBI general counsel's office. Did he says? Yeah. No, no. I trust you there. But I don't know why they again put it together. I don't know why they use this language DOJ not willing to charges. You don't. So I'm going to give you two questions here. I'm going to send we're gonna go a little round, Robin. Okay. We'll get this is going to be a sample and unscientific survey of general public opinion about what we think really happened to you. Do you think Linda option that the DOJ sense this chart over to the FBI specifically scooting the only chargeable crime? They put the search war because they didn't feel like they had the evidence or be because you think the deeply connected Democrats inside the department of Justice wanted to give Hillary Clinton pets. Just throw something out there just throw it on. I mean, listen, I have a lot of thoughts on this. And one of them is the fact that, you know, rod Rosenstein, former deputy G is married to, you know, Lisa Barsumian. I get a lot of emails haven't mentioned out onto going to apes out. There you go Leeson Barsumian is a very under disgust person. Because she's the wife of DOJ, you know official. But you know, she also is an attorney she represented Bill Clinton as a United States attorney, and she has dealings with both Hillary and Bill Clinton she also has dealings in representing Robert Mueller. So the fact that our deputy G is married to somebody who represented the Clintons as well as represented molar, whether it be in an official capacity for the United States, or maybe she had some personal off the record consulting. I don't know. But I think there's something there. I'm going to render a guest that you're going with be. Player and just throwing it out diet. Sounds that way. Okay. All that. And I got be ladies. I, of course, a producer Joe out of respect for for you and your position your exalted position within the show exalt forever and position Reverend. Is it option that they really couldn't find anything? There was no chargeable crime on Hillary or option, b you think they were giving them a political pass because the Clintons the Clintons were the exalted wants, Jim I'm going to go with option B for three hundred what is p for three hundred inappropriate jeopardy worded language. Armacost thing thing we have two out of three but for the sense of unanimity and consensus, Mr Blair, oh, exalted one of Bongino dot com. Thank you. Yes. At the ball a Blair axis of power on GO dot com. I know how Paulo would answer I married to her. So I don't need to get Paul on. Maybe I should call it. But how old on that's do this own flair? But we get to you. I say while you're still my you're going to say I want her to call me right now. I'm just gonna at this. We're going to this. So we have three Ps now that this was probably a politically motivated decision. Right. Three. Blair, everybody gets it Impala calls where. Going to get a for for for this. Always complete his being the fish right now. She's busy. She sent me. Sorry. Harry fish funeral. She just sent me a cryptic taxed. I don't know what this means fish died. No. Cryptic that. Would mean actually the fish really did die. So the congressman asked some additional questions to just to follow up and close the loop on this. So the back says I can stipulate that we've seen drafts of search warrants submitted to the eastern district Virginia to obtain material and the Clinton case so precepts as well. Okay. And he says based on those search warrants the Predication with eighteen USC seven ninety three f-. In other words, ladies and gentlemen, the fix was in from the start. They never had any intention whatsoever of charging Hillary and the news. So you don't think I'm just some Rando here bringing up some dopey topic at a nowhere. You have to have the info on the Clintons. Yes. Of course, we knew that's not the story that the fix was in. It's the lead. But it's not the story. The Dietz matter folks, you're going to argue with your liberal friends Vic the fix that ad. What are you talking about g was't Kilty really because they got a search warrant on a charge? They specifically excluded from actually charging. That's the takeaway. The search warrant said. Seven Ninety-three f gross negligence the DO Jason overcharging. Do not charge them with seven Ninety-three f-. Does that sound like Justice to you? Of course, it doesn't. You know, I tweet out every day. Like collusion's for him. Bacillus? Don't be an imbecile distort dopey dopey on this. They sent out specifically a chart do not charge him with the charge. We're actually charging him with ridiculous. Hey, so a little on the ground here stuff in North Korea. Have we are not in North Korea. We were in annoy about north. I have a little note here not in North Korea. Not been in prison by the North Koreans. They would let me do a podcast anyway. So Linda, you you're here that you guys are here. So that traffic here is is crazy. It reminds me when I was in Indonesian, and seemingly everybody has a moped. Yeah. The mopeds. And I thought they were like scooter scooter scooter same thing. Yeah. Like Vespas looking every would you say eighty percent of the vehicles are yawned? And the weird thing about it is there's almost no traffic control at all. But nobody hits anyone. Okay. So yesterday Lehrer was writing said something to me, and he goes the seemingly chaotic but yet perfectly coordinated Ryan's of the I was like, dude. That's the best way to say Blair is an organized chaos. It's not like when you first see it. It looks like we're yesterday the traffic that goes with just a suggestion MIR's. Oh, I haven't even get a traffic signal yet. So I don't I have it says don't walk now. You'll die. Nobody does know. So oh, yes. They do. It's like really scared game, a frog. Well, not I haven't actually witnessed it. But when I was in Indonesia, I remember the same thing. It's like because there's no traffic control everybody super aware of what the other person is doing. And it's almost like they have this collective like board like hive mind and traffic where the guy in the scooter knows what the other and it's just insane. I'm gonna try to get one of the people at FOX one of the executives has a time lapse video of an intersection. It's guy John if I can get it from him. I'm gonna put it on my Instagram. It is killer. You're going to be like how the time lapse is over like an hour. You're going to be how did nobody get killed there? There's no traffic at all. And there are thousands of mopeds. So I'm only telling you because I'm getting some questions about some color on the ground. But it's like, I got a nice compliment. Thanks to Joe and Linden the team and everyone else about the sound quality the show. And they said, what am I travelling with how I'll put a picture of Blair's traveled with essentially looking like a military Connex box of you know, if you had if you were like a green beret unit taking over a small town. That's the kind of Blair so much stuff in this room. And the show sounds good. Because this is like a ten billion dollar studio. So the behind the scenes story to that. Which you may you may have heard we were on Sean show. The other day is that we have six cases of gear. The gear allowable allowable weight is thirty two kilos kilograms or whatever the heck it is. And literally we had to unpack each of our gear bags because we have so much gear. We have you know, we have one regular system, and then a redundant system. So that when one takes a crap we've got another one the back it up, but we had so much gear. I had to pay extra money just to get the gear on the plane, which so you have here because I was getting all these questions we have for our e twenty Mike's iota those compressors. Yeah, we got actually got compressors. We got to mixing hordes three. This battery backup we who battery back even brought our LX like sound protection. So the reason to show sounds good. And I deeply appreciate your comments on much. But I did get a question. A guy emailed me. He's like how did you do that? And the answer is I didn't I travel with an I MAC and a microphone when I travel, but they don't mess around. And this is this is the show if you listen later, so make sure you tune into Hannity show three PM eastern. It's the same studio. We're doing the same show. That's why I don't go anywhere. Just wait for show hundred committed. We all just hang out. Heck out and it's the middle of the night here saying. Doc out shows Linda's like us your show here. So that's why it sounds so good. But some funny happened yesterday. So I go over at in the morning here, which is the night to remember. We are exactly the opposite of eastern time. So Shawn's nine PM eastern Hannity show on FOX's at nine in the morning. So I do my show. We Sean does his radio show. I go back to hotel for a few hours. And then I bounce over to the j w Marriott where they're in Hanoi with doing the show. So I'm in the control room. They have set up for FOX. And I could see like there's a hustle and bustle, and it's reminded me of when I was in the secret service, everything in the secret service's hurry up and wait. Oh, everything's like. And it all of a sudden, it's hurry. Hurry up. Okay. Wait, wait, wait. And it just reminded me the issue of like what's going on? So and I'm not I'm not speaking on attorney Burke is on the show. Sean stuck in traffic. Joe, it's I'm not even kidding. It's like eight thirty five PM shot. Is it try it? Like, I don't be traffic. I IB like traffic. No. No bottle anywhere and they're looking around. And they're like, I don't know. What is he can even make it for the show? So he stuck in his car. And if you watch the show us that you saw this legit videos on a joke like, Sean, you gotta take a scooter. They pick some random guy at a street scooters on jumps on the back of his scooter. And he gets there with like twenty minutes to spare you have to see the video. So yeah, get this text from Sean and his assistant, and I'm like is this like Photoshop is. This a joke. I'm like, you guys kidding. And he's like dude this happened to be right now. And he was so, you know, listen, I listened Sean loves motorcycles. Nobody knows Sean better than Lyndon. Sean has just gregarious personality think he'd come in all like really of set an angry at all fire. Crazy get reality. Nope. Cable thought it was the funniest thing you'd say put that out this show. Everybody get it on a show. So he's just a good guy. I just want to throw that out there. And I'm not just saying 'cause he's let me use it studio. These really it was just such a great experience. Okay. I wanted to move on Bernie Sanders that is CNN townhall last night the biggest fraud in politics right now. Bernie, I mean it he's not the sleaziest that's Adam Schiff in swallow. Well, but he is the biggest fraud. He says he's a socialist Jones three homes as a nice car is probably worth close to a million dollars. It makes him a total complete fraud. So Sanders was on CNN last night. And I want you to listen to the way this total fraud dances around a question asked of him a very specific question. Are you going to be allowed under the Bernie Sanders socialist healthcare system to keep the insurance policy? You have now or not simple. Remember, Obama, even radical far left? Oh, Bob was like if you like your plan, you can keep your plan. Listen away. Bernie does a little dance around this question. Play that Senator let's talk a little bit about. Medicare for all because about half of Americans, as you know, they're insured by their employer like, Lance. According to a recent Gallup poll seventy percent of these people with private health insurance, their plans they liked their plans. They think their plans are good will these people be able to keep their health insurance plans their private plans now through their employers. If there is a Medicare for all program that you endorse luck. They will what will change in laya plans is the color of their cod. So instead of having a Blue Cross Blue shield cod instead of having a United health insurance card. They're going to have a Medicare cod that Medicare called will allow them to go to any doctor that they want they're going to the doctor happy any hospital they want, but you know, what else they're not going to be paying any private insurance premiums. If they are seniors we all going to expand Medicare benefits to cover dental care, which is not covered for seniors hearing aids and. Glasses. There will be comprehensive healthcare. People can go to any doctor dentist or a hospital. They like their health insurance plan they won't be able to keep their health insurance. Both nobody this business of liking your health insurance plan, which by the way, employers change every single year people like their doctors. They liked the hospitals like like the cab. They're getting our Bill, in fact, right now, if you weren't a particular program, you may not be able to go to the doctor that you want. Our our program will allow you wanted to digital private health insurance beyond Medicare for all. Would they be allowed to purchase that kind of health insurance? Our Bill covers all. Healthcare needs. All if people want cosmetic surgery, for example. Yes, of course to get private insurance. Wow. You know, I almost reluctantly have to give Bernie credit for that was one of the finest dances around. I made it. I'm not even I don't agree with it. But from a strict tactical perspective, he must've rehearsed that with a focus group. Oh my gosh. A hundred two hundred times what a perfect way to never answer. The question was simple. Wolf Blitzer estimate. Straightforward question. Can I keep my health insurance plan? I advocate people keep it or not. So he never answers. So he says two things that she just three takeaways from this. Takeaway number one. He says, well, it's not about that. It's about the color of your card. I'm surprised they're making a race thing. You're racist. You surprise me to go right to identity politics. And you're definitely a racist. If you don't support Medicare with the wrong color because right to it's not about that. It's about the color of your insurance card. It's gonna change from this color to a Medicare colored. Okay. That's not what I asked. I didn't ask you. If the color of the card is going to chase ask you if we can keep our health insurance. So he he in a genius tactical shift like this fraud is to be an expert at this. He doesn't answer the question because the question answer would be grossly unpopular to probably upwards of seventy to eighty percent of the population. The answer is no you can't keep your insurance under socialist breadline, Bernie's socialist Medicare system. So he goes right to own oceans the color of the court. Then he this is I mean, this is like tier one level trolling of people right here. He says, no it's not about that people like their doctors. And you know, you gotta be able to go to your doctor notice what he did. But he did there. This is slick. As a family friendly show. He makes it out. He disconnects the health insurance. You have that you like which enables you to see your doctor from your doctor himself or herself a genius move notice. How mentally it gets you away from wait? Wait, I'm gonna lose my plan. But he automatically refocuses on you. But don't worry. It's your doctor. You're going to be able to see there's no guarantee you that. How does Bernie no that I can guarantee you one thing that an incredibly large number of doctors and hospitals will shut down under this Bernie Sanders system because a doctor's time like food water and everything else is a scarce resource. It has to be allocated. It can only be allocated one of two ways you'll get a Nobel prize in economics. If you can tell me third way, by the way, I put this question out for five years doing the show. No one's ever emailed me a third way to allocate scarce resource, you can price it or you can ration it. That's it. You can either price it or you can ration it. Meaning doctors time is going to be rationed under a non-price government run system. If the only way folks there is no other way. So what Bernie does he disconnects you from the insurance and the doctor, and he makes it about the doctor, but he leaves out the part where it's your insurance. Now that Naples you to see the doctor you like that may be how you actually found your doctor. You want to stand the tier one bubble trolling. This is genius. He never answers the question that your insurance that makes you that allows you to see your doctor, and I was going to go away. But instead of getting you all packed buddy. But don't worry you'll be able to see your doctor. He has no way of knowing that none. It's not possible. One more thing. I want to bring up about this clip because it's important. Bernie keeps talking about this. It's a myth. It's a myth. We've the bunk. Joe you you probably tired of hearing it right now. Matt palumbo. My resident the bunker on the website on the bunk section as the bunk. This sixty days from Sunday. There's a talking point Democrats are out there that needs to be on your tip of your tongue to immediately counteract and breakdown or else you'll fall prey to it too. And it's this, oh, listen, we can get rid of the administrative cost because Medicare's more efficient notice what he says. They're Ernie says in the clip he says, there's a private insurance premium what he's suggesting there is that free market private health insurance costs more because the administrative costs are more. But there's a little trick. Here. Here's the trick. They do when you see it. You'll see why a lot of people get scammed by this. They're not talking about the administrative costs of private insurance versus Medicare and government shorts. Overall, when they say, oh, the government does a better job. In the administrative cost of lower with. They're talking about is the percentage of costs spent on healthcare as a function of the overall cost of the medical bills. So let me just give me an example. Joe? I know you're tired of you've heard this some in the audience may not have heard this because they common talking point. If the healthcare costs for private insurance overall for everyone of the country. It's use round numbers one hundred one hundred dollars and the administrative costs overhead right that the administrative staff, and whatever we're ten dollars. Then the percentage of healthcare costs that go to administration and private health could be ten percent out of one hundred. But if they spent the same ten dollars in the government on administrative costs, but the amount of money spent on the healthcare of that population is a thousand dollars all the sudden the healthcare costs are what one percent oh. Chou the government managed to save money because they're only one percent of healthcare costs. They may say, Dan, you just made their point. Na na. No, no, no, no. I'm not done. The government is never more efficient. Okay. Look don't make me laugh you ever been to the DMV. Like gimme a break. What was the last time? You said, wow. This government. You really do a great job. Not get it out of the park. What a great job on the bureaucracy side. The answer is sometime close to never you've never said that the way this works folks is who does the government insure well Medicare is a large swath of the government spending on healthcare Medicare covers who Joe did they cover five year olds and six year olds. No, no, of course, not if you have a thousand dollars in medical bills because there's an older sicker population via Medicare, you're insuring. And the administrative bills are the same or even more or even twenty dollars or thirty dollars not ten dollars. Of course, it's gonna. Oh, look like the government spent less money on administration as a percentage that's not the case at all. They're just ensuring an older sicker population. When you actually put the numerator denominator denominator. She's me in context and you've control for the health status of the population. The government's administrative costs are off the charts. It's not even close to private insurance. Folks, you have to be a moron to believe that the government bureaucracy somehow has figured out a way to be more efficient than a free market private insurance industry. I mean, are you insane? Who actually believes that this has to be able to roll off the tip of your tongue? No. When someone says to you. Well, the government's administrative costs are far cheaper than the private sector you go. Well, how did you measure that? Well, as a percentage or you may have to take most liberals, I'm sorry. But they're really dopey. You may have to tell them what they're saying. Because they don't usually no just say what you're saying is you're saying as a percentage of the overall healthcare spending, correct the liberal typically won't know. But if. They do know they'll say, yes, that's what I'm saying. Well, are you controlling for the health status? What do you mean? They don't know what controlling means. A lot of them who claim to be really controlling. These are are are you extemporaneous variables like extremes of controlling for them. Are you controlling for the health status of the population to make sure you're not spending more on those people there for the percentage of administrative costs looks lower just because it's an older and sicker population. No, he didn't do. Of course, you're a liberal. Therefore, you're a defacto moron. Because when you control for that, it's obvious the government didn't do anything. But you see this. This is why I live to do this stuff at just to give you a little idea where I heard this. What are the best ways to debunk liberal talking points? Just to watch the Saturday shows go to FOX put onto Saturday shows and watch the liberal debates because they all come in. I don't know if they prepare on Saturday night through something like board collective hive mind, but they'll come out with their talking points on the Saturday shows, and I heard that about five years ago on a Saturday show, and I immediately went to Google and I put in. Myth that government administrative costs are lower on healthcare. And there were about one hundred articles from heritage. It's so easy to it's nonsense. So now, you have it it's only because it's an older sicker population. And therefore, of course, the percentage is gonna look lower. It's not says all right one more point. And we'll wrap it up for the day. So I got a great Email from a guy yesterday. And he's like, you miss something on the Alexandria, Casey Cortez and a couple of days ago, we hit this this tweet. She sent out where she was like celebrating the idea that she's wasting your money. She's like, I pay my entry level staffers. Fifty two thousand dollars a year a Mike congressional staff because I want everybody to have a living wage. Okay. Number one. You are not paying anything. We are fascinating. How she distributes other people's money, and it celebrates it's actually coming in our pocket. Wow. You've paid your staffer fifty two thousand that's really nice now. I know people, you know, what his office and others who have given their own money to other people, but she's giving away taxpayer money, but another point on that is well, isn't that kind of a slap in the face to experience staffers of work their whole careers to get a better salary for the valuated skills. They bring to our office who now have to accept the same entry level salary as an intern who got their first job that's kind of a little bit of a punch in a gut if you're rational sane person. But again, we're talking about the Democrats. I know that's a bridge too far. But a guy sends me an Email was beautiful. It was just awesome. He's a Q missed the biggest point of all he says, why isn't she paying herself that I said, yes, brother, the doodoo semi of. Sorry. I forgot your name. You are genius. I tweeted that out last night. I don't know if you saw it. I forgot it. We emailed me this. I was like I was trying to give I really Jedi like, but you know, who you are. Because you said that is a point he's like, a she was a real socialist that she should have paid herself. The fifty two thousand two and I added a little kid, but at the end of the tween. From each according to his abilities to each according to his needs. Right. That's the communist manifesto, and that's the socialist credo, babe. That's it. So from each according to does she should only need fifty two thousand she just said that's a living wage, right? Joe? So why is she getting paid what one hundred seventy four thousand? So I would like everyone to tweet be cool about it. You know, the tweet she's at UC tweeter and ask her why she's not accepting the fifty two thousand dollars. She's determined to be a sufficient wage to live from each according to her abilities to each according to need yet. Let's do it. Let's come on g should take it too. If she's a legit socialist. She should take the fifty two thousand dollars that was a genius point. Absolutely stellar. So the dude who sent that. You are awesome. You get the well, we've got a contest coming up eight send you something because I like you. So that was one of the best I read, my that thing was awesome. I read that. And I'm like why did? I miss that on the show. A tweet of that was an ode to you, buddy. All right house. A lot of contact. We were at this. Really for what it's worth. I'm really job. We don't really do these on samba operations. But I'll keep you updated on the status of negotiations here. Let me just one final thing before we go. I I haven't even spoken about the North Korean negotiations yet. Listen. Everybody needs to take a chill pill on this. I don't know any easier way to say it. They're pressuring Trump to leave this place with some kind of hard declaration. You know, I'm not a golden calf worshiper, folks. But let's be candid here Reagan's negotiations with Gorbachev took a very long time. And not only did they take a long time. There were some major steps back in some major failures there before we ultimately saw the break up of the Soviet Union were they're dealing with it too radical dictator here if we can come out of this with some accounting full accounting of the nuclear capabilities of the North Korean regime. Remember, we don't even know how many nuclear weapons they have. I've seen any estimate from ten to thirty. We have no idea about their capability on reentry, which is important. It's important because if the if the weapon can't make it back to the atmosphere and burns up you'd have an atmospheric detonation, I can have an actual human out detonation at all it's on everything. But it's important and accounting of their storage facilities where they're keeping this stuff if we can get that. And we take the danger level from a nine to an aide. Then folks that's a marginal improvement. And the people on the left and off come out of here with a deal. What can it? I'm tired of you idiots. These are the same people supported giving the Iranians pallet full of cash while they were chanting death to America. The hard pass. No, thanks. I'll keep you updated. As we hear stuff on the ground. And of course, I give you some color commentary from what it's like, you're all right. Thanks again for tuning in, folks. I really appreciate it. Please subscribe to the show on I tunes. It is free. If you have a phone, right? Wes should go to the podcast app. Click. 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"This is impeachment a daily podcast from WNYC. I'm Brian Lehrer. It's Thursday November seven. I'm wondering today what the dinner table conversation must be like right now in Kellyanne Conway's Race House. She's been on CNN this week defending the president on the trump Ukraine scandal. No quid pro quo in this call terms of the president but last night. Kellyanne husband the anti-trump conservative lawyer. George Conway argued that tweet from Rudy Giuliani yesterday proves that trump committed an impeachable label offense. Let's unpack this. Rudy is in trouble. The President's defense attorney announced yesterday that he is hired three defense attorneys of his own. Why I because he's under investigation for his dealings with those two guys? He was working for a left. Parnasse and Eager Furman who are now criminally charged by the US Justice Department apartment. What did they allegedly do? They allegedly made illegal campaign contributions in their effort to get our ambassador to Ukraine. Marie Ivanovich fired rudy. Wanted her fire to so did he break. The law like allegedly did in trying to make that happen so yesterday. This all got more interesting interesting in a way that Kellyanne. Conway's husband noticed. Giuliani hired these three lawyers. Yes and he wrote this tweet. The investigation I conducted concerning turning twenty sixteen Ukrainian collusion and corruption was done solely as a defense attorney to defend my client. The president against false charges so rudy saying he was involved in Ukraine solely as trump's personal lawyer. Very interesting that he says that now. Because here's what he said. On Laura Laura Ingraham show on Fox in September. I went to meet this Linski a aid at the request of the State Department. Fifteen memo's make. Is that clear. I didn't know Mr Year Mac on Joe on July. Nineteen you see it right there. Twenty nineteen at four forty eight in the afternoon good I got a call from Volcker Volcker said. Would you meet with him. It'd be helpful to us. We really want you to do it. Very curious. Right to defend himself then. Giuliani said he was working in Ukraine for the State Department for the US government yesterday after lawyering up. The first thing he does is tweet that no. He was only trump's. It's private lawyer. So why does George Conway say this proves trump committed an impeachable offense. We'll get to that part with our very special guest today and let me apologize. College is in advance for the phone quality but his content is really interesting and unique. He is Lanny Davis. The veteran Washington lawyer who has played some similar rose himself off. He is Michael Cohen Defense lawyer. He was a lawyer for president. Bill Clinton during the Clinton investigations if Rudy Giuliani has been president trump's TV lawyer. I think it's fair to say that. Lanny Davis was President Clinton's TV lawyer and he is author of the book the UNMAKING of the President Twenty Sixteen how FBI Director. Jim Call me cost. Hillary Clinton the Presidency Mr Davis. Hello and thanks so much for coming on thank you for having me on. And what a timely moment since inside stretch Maybe the only one that sets the generation of depending on a beach and now we have another president who will probably go into you why there are so many differences on this impeachment process versus the one that I was involved in. What do you make of Rudy? Giuliani's conflicting statements specifically about Out His role in Ukraine I see the representing the State Department or just representing trump as a private lawyer. Well first of all. Let's start with the statement that he represented it trump as a private lawyer when he asked the Ukraine government to dig up dirt on Joe Biden of course only benefits. President trump in reelection election political campaign doesn't benefit the American people to dig up dirt on Joe Biden. Unless he says it's the American people's interest for foreign governments. You've tried to influence the presidential election decide whether Joe Biden is good or bad. So he's now saying that he asked a foreign government went into fear in our presidential election to help president trump's political objectives as a private attorney. meaning that president trump was not even arguably doing it on behalf of the American people which is his oath of office and with Alexandra Hamilton described as his only definition of an impeachable offense which is abuse of presidential power for personal private purposes rather than for public purposes. Exactly trump's to close the loop aren't right so to close the loop on Georgia and Kellyanne Conway What George Conway tweeted yesterday in response to Giuliani's tweet was quote this tweet? By itself establishes that Donald Trump committed an impeachable offense to say that Giuliani's and trump's pursued if Ukrainian in corruption quote unquote was done solely to protect trump's interests establishes. That trump was not acting for the country. So That's how George Conway I put it. It seems like you're in exactly the same place precisely but it's really too minimal to say that there are so many factually factually indisputable instances where Donald Trump committed an impeachable offense. That the case is over other other than Lindsey Graham and other deniers and the word deniers is applied in a most ugly context world history. We have climate deniers. Now we have truth deniers about Donald Trump is words established in the summary of his telephone call. Steady asked to foreign government to do something that was political to help him. The Democratic National Committee was responsible for the hacking is about his political campaign. Joe Biden's dirt is about his campaign that's in the transcript. You don't need a quid. Pro Quo bribe. It's in the transplant. And trump trump allies all over the place Gordon Sauna and the other day now Rudy Giuliani in this tweet. Confirm it of course when you say the case is over the factual actual case Seems decreasingly in dispute. I guess the debate in the Senate in political terms. Tell me if you disagree is not going to be so so much believers and deniers. I think it's going to be that. Republicans will say yeah. This was bad behavior but it doesn't rise to the level of impeachment. You think that's what the next couple of months are going to be about. The last desperate refuge win a lawyer has facts and the facts can't be denied and of course let's see we're denying the facts until all the evidence to pile up. They were certainly denying that the transcript literally convicted Donald Trump of abusing abusing his powers whereas personal purposes by Asking a foreign government to intervene in our election that was being denied. I for a while I think it was the United States. The ultimate denier of all who said read the transcript of he has it on. T shirts the transcript establishes that he has to find government. Help input so before we get to. What an impeachable offenses? There's no denying that even though he's claiming that it there's a perfect transcripts and Republicans Obviously just spout whatever he says then. The next thing that was being denied was a quid pro quo meaning. I'm not not giving you aid unless you do this now. That evidence is overwhelming. That even Gordon Ambassador Sunland had to quote correct the record now suddenly whoops. I made a mistake in other words. I committed perjury. Now I want to reverse and not commit perjury by the way as a criminal matter you you don't you don't get to correct perjury. You get to as cruel lenient sentence. Because you realize you're not gonna get away with lying. which is what happened? But the main thing is is an impeachable offense and of course partisan politicians or never say that anything is individual impeachable offense and they'll vote. No you represent Michael Cohen. One of Giuliani's new lawyers Robert Costello also represented Michael Cohen. Did you Stella Work Together Rachel matter or are you listening. No Costello never represented Michael Collins. Let me repeat that it is a lie that Costello who actually I believe committed a at least arguably criminal act by dangling the possibility ability of apartment sending Michael Techs. You have friends in high places who love you referring to Donald Trump in the White House. Costello was pitching Michael Kohn to represent him then sent him a bill for forty thousand dollars or something including lots of hours spent that we couldn't even figure out. Why did he spend those hours? and Michael never hired in fact Michael Said No. I don't want you so can you break the news and get it out on the wire services at the idea and valued by Rachel maddow's greatly but she had lions or Colloquy last night her her narrative last night that now Giuliani's hired Michael convoy. Well it's not so Dell's Rachel Rachel. This is in other news organizations to not just Rachel Natto National Law journal Washington Post It. It is one hundred percent false that Castillo ever represented Conan de Castelo was lying to call in about the possibility. The -bility of apart so Michael. Colin and Rudy Giuliani. Have this big thing in common. They were both defense attorneys for Donald Trump. Who are both themselves now in trouble with the law? COLLINA's actually in prison as you were just describing. His lawyer Giuliani is at least being investigated. I'm curious how you see. Their situations. Relations are similar or different Michael Cohen would say and he did say publicly. Republicans at one point in a very Moment as behind him and I think it was jim thanks to a partisan trump supporter in the entire caucus congressman. Jim Job with attacking Michael Kohn go said to him. It was a very insightful. Same thing I would say to. You now about Giuliani. I know what you're doing. I did it for ten years. What's he doing? I lied I facilitated Crimes Corruption Fraud Awed for Donald Trump and. I know his coats when he says it'll colon. No Collusion Nokia. Does that sound familiar. All your code is whatever he says its exactly people sometimes Juliette doing the same thing and I wonder what's going to happen to Giuliani because people sometimes say trump has a reverse MIDAS touch anyone who gets too close to him their lives. Don't turn to gold. They turn to something. That's the opposite. Paul Manafort Michael go down the list. What does it say that even lawyers who work for trump wind up legal trouble themselves at this rate well in the case of this former? US At journey of the Southern District of your who secretly ope until he was ousted attempted to exclude the president of Ukraine. By saying if you don't give us dirt and make a public announcement and use the name Biden and the Democrat National Committee. That's what his mission was that we said openly he was doing it on behalf of Donald. And that's so if that can be proven. Mr Giuliani Dan. He's going to prison. I wonder if trump will now throw Giuliani under the bus. Whenever trump's associates get into trouble? He suddenly doesn't know them very very well. Like in this case with Paul Manafort Manafort worked for me for a very short period of time or in this case with Michael Colin very low level work. Why did you do what he did law but he did see him on television he was okay and television or in this case with the current Guiliani associates and big trump donors has left an eager? Fruman I don't know those gentlemen. Do you hear pattern as to. Who is drinking Likud Mr Jordan? I know what you're doing. You're lying for Donald Trump. I did it for ten. Yes this is very talk tactics and his family under the bus time Michael with say it's even your God. Junior he mocked talked openly as having incline of a room full of people the worst judgment of any human beings is my son Donald Junior. He does his family on the bus. It's even and been reported that the reason that Parnasse has now said he'll cooperate with the impeachment inquiry is that he felt so snubbed by trump saying that do you believe that it to be true. Or but he's doing it to save his skin. Mr cornices ensues. It's not just the campaign conduit eating a phone only which he's been indicted for but it's also that he was part of a conspiracy to ask corn government eager to interfere in an American election. Do you think that testimony by love. Parnassus if he does give testimony to the impeachment committees. Eddie's could hurt either trump or Giuliani with anything. We don't already know. Well I don't know about because it's so clever. He doesn't ever explicitly instruct anyone to do anything that be traceable back to answer. Your question is something directly back to President. It will have to be to the testimony of others. Who received or direct probably rudy? Giuliani is the only one who directly talked to president trump. That's why I called Dolinsky. He was caught. You Talk There was a reason the dad father would say. I don't like that man. He wouldn't say welcome well. Donald Trump Steve seats in code to follow the instructions that we have to face any talk. It's interesting because I was always asking if you thought trump would throw Giuliani under the bus. You're saying with this statement. Giuliani is throwing trump under the bus. By Giuliani saying he was only trump's defense attorney. Not Working on behalf if anything in this interview is where the of not sounding Democrats and that there is a simple fact in attorney representing your client is not allowed to throw the client under the bus. Well how does that state now. So trump under the bus because he is saying I was doing this for Donald Trump's personal interests. I was his personal lawyer. He wasn't saying I was acting on behalf of the American people assigned to do so by the State Department. That's the line. He took. That tried to draw the line between the public interest and eh between creature. Google Giuliani strong trump under the bus by confirming the trojans running Ukraine policy for his own personal advantage. Not for the United States. Now you tour is. The thing speaks export itself. Juliani just said that in his own words and convicted. It's not just a piece convicted. The president of abusing his power for personal reasons. Let me take phone. Call for you from Melanie calling from Kent Ohio. Melania on the air. Hi Hi Brian. Thanks so much for taking taking my call I'm a long-time listener used to live in Manhattan and grew up in Ohio and I have a lifelong rust belt routes I have a sister sister in Fresno California trump supporter. I have a sister in. Arizona voted for trump after voting for Obama twice I have nephews. Here we're who are like Trump supporters and All I can say to all of this is just like we Democrats. We didn't change our opinion on and teaching Clayton When he was having his extramarital affairs and all those women who accused him now in hindsight? I'm sure we all realise they were probably all telling the truth. We destroyed so many lives but none of us including myself. I say this is all democrats. We didn't want to get him out of office. We liked what he was doing. And the same holds true with my family family and the way they feel about trump and all I can say about The thing with Ukraine is the optics on Biden. Alone is enough to think his election because the reason people voted for trump is because they think that both sides of the government earn the pocket of Wall Street so they voted for trump because they wanted to see real change and all this proves is that biding his son. You know we're still in the pocket of Wall Street and can be bought. It's like you know a politics as usual now. That doesn't mean that I. I totally agree with what's happening. I totally believe that They're doing the right thing by impeaching him. You will not be removed from office and it's not going to change anybody's opinion on trump just like it didn't change change ours on Clinton I I hate to say it but the truth. That's what I'm hearing and that's just the way I think it's GonNa Roll Lanny Davis what do you say to Melanie in Ohio. Well first of all disappointing year. Anybody who's intelligent rational balanced to call her that she repeats each optics as a functionally equivalent of guilt. There's literally not a shred of evidence that Joe Biden Biden corrupt. That even a spotlight the fact that no. That's not that it's like the political inside Ernest of getting jobs. Who you're connecting? It's interesting you commit illegal offense. It's illegal so so we're now in a world where even who sound bounces. You are ready to say on the radio that he did something wrong because of optics. You don't know where we defended it as a reality will accept Joe McCarthy. This is Innuendo. It's not so I chipped people's People's emotions who are for of ocean. You see trump voters who thought okay. It was okay for your power to funnel carry is contingent upon about it bloom components leader. You notice today packed feeling when I asked you. Trump supporter is CAITLIN. They will say of course only we'll be up but but he's still better than the Democrat but at least people and not killed Last thing you help President Clinton when he was in legal trouble and politically an impeachment trouble. How would you compare the Clinton War Room effort that you were involved with two trump's defensive sense of himself? The apples and oranges isn't even close between what Clinton did and going in front of a grand jury and admitting to the truth to his eternal pain versus donald trump who wouldn't even be interviewed not under oath so there was never an allegation of abuse. The presidential power as there is here very different approaches to defending themselves attorney. Lanny Davis thank you so much. Thank you very much. Thank you by the way for the record after the interview. We checked and we found a piece story that corroborates. What Lanny Davis Davis said about attorney? Robert Costello Says Costello was not retained by Michael Cohen. Just did he had several conversations with him after the FBI raided aided Coen's home and office last April. You can call and ask an impeachment news question. Just leave a voicemail anytime including your name and where you're calling from mm-hmm and some of you will hear your questions on the show. The number is eight. Four four seven four five talk. That's
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